subject:"\[Assam\]"

Bhuban da,

I agree with you that one big impediment is the stark inefficience with which the State Govt. officials act. Personally, But its not just state. govt., similar is the case with bank officers, Regional Passport Officer etc.

When you visit any of these offices, the first impression is a lack of total interest of your presence.
Above that they are just plain rude.If you are lucky, you may get a ' ki lage upunak?' or a ' aji nohobo dei, in-charge manuh jen nai, kail le ahi bosun'.

In any case, small as these things seem to be, they would discourage any small time investor.

The other big impediment is the need for an investor know that his/her investment is safe and will yield returns. With problems with the insurgency, big time investors will shy away.
Add to these the state holdiday scheme - BANDHS.

IMHO, even given these factors, those interested, could still attract some small investors on a short-term basis. There are stillmany businesses who seem to doing great right there in Guwahati. Many of the private businesses have great customer service, a smile on their faces, and want to be successful.

--Ram

On 8/22/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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Subject:Re: [Assam] Boga Baduli and BPO Boom--Part 1
There are many members in this list , settled in the USA, UK etc., who are millionnaires. I wish some of them would get together and make an effort to open one in Guwahati / Assam. The Govt will only be too willing to help them.

I don't think there are many millionaires in UK or USA as suggested. I agree they could be small investors. However, people have lost confidence on Assam Government offcials' efficiency in such matters.

I expect people to disagree with me on my submission. At least that is my personal experience.

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Re: [Assam] Word to ULFA into action now, PM. Confer ballot onAssam Sovereignty restoration

Title: Re: [Assam] Word to ULFA into action  now, PM.
Confer ball


 I have said this to the Hurriyat in Kashmir, ULFA in Assam
and Naxalites in Andhra Pradeshthere is no grievance that cannot be
redressed through democratic means and sustained dialogue,



 What a self contradicting statement!

It would have been whole lot more convincing if MMS could have
given an example or two of Indian democracy's problem solving
approaches ( I won't even ask for
complete resolutions) in Kashmir, re: Naxals, re: ULFA, re:
Nagas.


But I am sure the PM wouldn't have missed an opportunity to cite
them, if he had any.











At 7:14 AM + 8/22/05, Bartta Bistar wrote:


If you say people are with you, prove
it at the hustings: PM to Naxals

http://www.indianexpress.com/full_story.php?content_id=76764



HYDERABAD, AUGUST 21: Days after
the YSR Reddy government ended a year-long truce with Left wing
extremist groups and revived the ban in Andhra Pradesh, Prime Minister
Manmohan Singh today challenged the Naxalites to test their
popularity at the hustings.

If their movement, Singh said in
Hyderabad today, truly had peoples support, they should try and
change the system through democratic means. Every political
group that claims to represent the interests of people or of a section
must test its popularity at the hustings. Go and ask people to vote
for you. Come to legislatures and enact the laws that you wish to see
in place.

The power of people in a democracy
flows through the ballot box and not from the barrel of gun. I have
said this to the Hurriyat in Kashmir, ULFA in Assam and Naxalites in
Andhra Pradeshthere is no grievance that cannot be redressed
through democratic means and sustained dialogue, Singh said at a
seminar on Press and the Nation organised by the CPI(M) organ
Prajasakti.

The Prime Minister made it clear that
terror tactics would not be tolerated. Faced with terror
tactics, the government will have no other option than to fight such
groups and their ideology of hatred. Extremism of any form, based on
any divisive ideology, cannot be tolerated in any civilised democratic
society, he said.













His warning comes on the heels of an
upsurge in Naxal violence after a years respite and two rounds of
peace talks. Congress MLA C Narsi Reddy and nine others were killed in
Narayanpet on Independence Day.

Singh pointed out that
even Gadar, Naxal emissary and balladeer, had admitted to a TV channel
that the killing of innocent people did not help win a cause.
This is an important liberal principle. Our democracy allows us
freedom to champion our cause and win people over to our point of
view, he said



Can read http://www.thestatesman.net/page.news.php?clid=1theme=usrsess=1id=87190
also.












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Re: Fwd: [Assam] Boga Baduli and BPO Boom--Part 1

Title: Re: Fwd: [Assam] Boga Baduli and  BPO
Boom--Part 1


You are right BK.


People, professionals, most of us 'probaxi Oxomiyas in the west,
won't risk their life's savings to go invest in an environment where
there is no accountability, no trust in governance and its
institutions, even if they had a little to spare.

I raised a question here in Assam Net sometime back after seeing
the report that the UK's second or third largest FDI is from India, on
why it is so, while India is seeking FDI from around the world? My ol'
buddy Dilip Deka tried to explain with some spinning :-),and avoiding
the obvious but it did not explain anything.

Recently I asked the question of the Indian Embassy First Secy.,
Mr. Jaswal, an articulate and refined gentleman, whom I had the
opportunity to sit with for a few minutes in a reception here in St.
Louis. He seemed unaware of it and was momentarily taken aback. Then
he said that it is probably because of an easier business environment.
I was going to quiz him a bit more on it, but he was rescued by an
interruption and I could not follow up :-).

c









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There are many members in this list ,
settled in the USA, UK etc., who are millionnaires. I wish some of
them would get together and make an effort to open one in Guwahati /
Assam. The Govt will only be too willing to help
them.

I don't think there are many millionaires in UK or USA
as suggested. I agree they could be small investors. However, people
have lost confidence on Assam Government offcials' efficiency in such
matters.

I expect people to disagree with me on my submission.
At least that is my personal experience.

Bhuban

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Re: [Assam] Word to ULFA into action now, PM. Confer ballot onAssam Sovereignty restoration

C'da,

I have said this to the Hurriyat in Kashmir, ULFA in Assam and Naxalites in Andhra Pradesh—there is no grievance that cannot be redressed through democratic means and sustained dialogue,''

What a self contradicting statement!

Maybe, I am missing something here. But I don't see any self-contradictory statement here. Whatis wrong with what the PM is saying. I have even removed my tinted glasses, still don't see a darn thing wrong with the statement. :)

The Prime Minister made it clear that terror tactics would not be tolerated. ''Faced with terror tactics, the government will have no other option than to fight such groups and their ideology of hatred. Extremism of any form, based on any divisive ideology, cannot be tolerated in any civilised democratic society,''

Nor, do I see a problem with the above.

--Ram

On 8/22/05, Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I have said this to the Hurriyat in Kashmir, ULFA in Assam and Naxalites in Andhra Pradesh—there is no grievance that cannot be redressed through democratic means and sustained dialogue,''

What a self contradicting statement!

It would have been whole lot more convincing if MMS could have given an example or two of Indian democracy's problem solving approaches ( I won't even ask for
complete resolutions) in Kashmir, re: Naxals, re: ULFA, re: Nagas.

But I am sure the PM wouldn't have missed an opportunity to cite them, if he had any.

At 7:14 AM + 8/22/05, Bartta Bistar wrote:

If you say people are with you, prove it at the hustings: PM to Naxals
http://www.indianexpress.com/full_story.php?content_id=76764

If their movement, Singh said in Hyderabad today, truly had people's support, they should try and change the system through democratic means. ''Every political group that claims to represent the interests of people or of a section must test its popularity at the hustings. Go and ask people to vote for you. Come to legislatures and enact the laws that you wish to see in place.''

''The power of people in a democracy flows through the ballot box and not from the barrel of gun. I have said this to the Hurriyat in Kashmir, ULFA in Assam and Naxalites in Andhra Pradesh—there is no grievance that cannot be redressed through democratic means and sustained dialogue,'' Singh said at a seminar on ''Press and the Nation' organised by the CPI(M) organ Prajasakti.

His warning comes on the heels of an upsurge in Naxal violence after a year's respite and two rounds of peace talks. Congress MLA C Narsi Reddy and nine others were killed in Narayanpet on Independence Day.

Singh pointed out that even Gadar, Naxal emissary and balladeer, had admitted to a TV channel that the killing of innocent people did not help win a cause. ''This is an important liberal principle. Our democracy allows us freedom to champion our cause and win people over to our point of view,'' he said

Can read
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Re: Fwd: [Assam] Word to ULFA into action now, PM. Confer ballot onAssam Soverei...

Title: Re: Fwd: [Assam] Word to ULFA into action  now, PM.
Confer


What Dr Manmohan
Singh is suggesting is a constitutional process. ULFA's demand, and
for that matter that of any insurgency group,
isnotbased on India'sConstitution.



 The constitution is skewed against Assam's legitimate RIGHTS
and interests. Therefore the whole premise is a meaningless one, as
far as Assam's grievances are concerned.

How for example, can a handful of legislators from Assam, who get
there thru a profoundly faulty, undemocratic and outside special
interest controlled electoral process, safeguard Assam's interest
playing the numbers game in a house of 400 (?); in a system where the
checks and balances of a lower and upper house is merely a
rubber-stamping mechanism lacking any teeth, and where the checks and
balances of constitutional division of powers are non-functional,
leading for example a state to refuse to obey the directive of the SC
on a matter such as riverlinking, and that too with impunity?

Kharkhowas living in the west, in their developed and functional
democracies, spouting praise of democratic system do so, without
being aware of or deliberately ignoring the realities of
desi-demokrasy.

I don't make the charge lightly. One needs only to look at the
arguments that we make in Assam net, or in the many India related
websites, that display the degree of ignorance of democratic
principles, even among the desi elites.











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What Dr Manmohan Singh is suggesting is a
constitutional process. ULFA's demand, and for that matter that of any
insurgency group, isnotbased on India'sConstitution.
It is not democratic either; in fact it need not be democratic. Dr
Singh has sworn in to promote, protect and preserve all that is there
in the Constitution of India.The architects of the Indian
Constitution were aware of the fact that India is a weak union made up
of diverse elements -differences in religion, ethnicity, language,
culture and so on - and it stressed that all efforts must be directed
towards keeping India united. In this I accuse the Government of India
of its haphazard efforts or no efforts at all in keeping India united.
I also believe that a great disservice was done by the Sixth schedule
with which Dr Ambedkar's name is associated. The sixth schedule was
meant for a trial period of ten years but the Indian politicians do
not have the guts to scrap it.In fact more and more people want to
benefit from it. Even Dr Ambedkar was not happy at last. The caste
system is so deeply rooted in Indian culture that he advised the
dalits to convert to Buddhism. But I personally know that even after
becoming converts they continued to benefit from the Sixth Schedule
like all other backward people of India, i e the scheduled caste and
scheduled tribes.

bhuban



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Re: [Assam] Word to ULFA into action now, PM. Confer ballot onAssam Sovereignty restoration

Title: Re: [Assam] Word to ULFA into action now, PM.
Confer ballo


Maybe, I am missing something here.


 That is not a 'maybe', Ram. You are missing what is staring
on your face :-).


Extremism and violence do not fall from the sky on some dark and
stormy night, on an 'ounxir endhaar raati'. They brew over decades,
slowly building steam. Only after seeing no ability to effect change,
get redress for grievances, do people finally, in desperation, take up
arms, knowing full well that their likely rewards might just be death
and imprisonment. Hundreds of thousands of ordinary people don't go
about courting death like this if there are any redress in sight or
seemed achievable
thru the process they mistakenly call 'Indian democracy', ALMOST
an oxymoron by itself, like 'military intelligence'.

Those who cannot fathom that, are the same people who go about
making the MMS like pithy pronouncements, after the fact.

Was India unaware of what was brewing in Kashmir Ram? Only
the profoundly ignorant or deluded will claim that. Was India unaware
of Assam's discontent, before LFA happened? You tell me.

And what did Indian democracy do to prevent them? To forestall
them? Dilute the discontent? Where was the great Indian democratic
machine? Why could it not not show that it could be counted on to do
what MMS claims it can do now? How is it an iota different from what
it was then?

You show us Ram.

c-da





At 8:47 AM -0500 8/22/05, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
C'da,


 I have said this to the Hurriyat in
Kashmir, ULFA in Assam and Naxalites in Andhra Pradesh-there is no
grievance that cannot be redressed through democratic means and
sustained dialogue,''

 What a self contradicting
statement!

Maybe, I am missing something here. But I
don't see any self-contradictory statement here. Whatis wrong
with what the PM is saying. I have even removed my tinted glasses,
still don't see a darn thing wrong with the statement. :)

The Prime Minister made it clear
that terror tactics would not be tolerated. ''Faced with terror
tactics, the government will have no other option than to fight such
groups and their ideology of hatred. Extremism of any form, based on
any divisive ideology, cannot be tolerated in any civilised democratic
society,'' 

Nor, do I see a problem with the
above.

--Ram





On 8/22/05, Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
 I have said this to the Hurriyat in Kashmir, ULFA in
Assam and Naxalites in Andhra Pradesh-there is no grievance that
cannot be redressed through democratic means and sustained
dialogue,''






 What a self contradicting statement!


It would have been whole lot more convincing if MMS could
have given an example or two of Indian democracy's problem solving
approaches ( I won't even ask for
complete resolutions) in Kashmir, re: Naxals, re: ULFA,
re: Nagas.




But I am sure the PM wouldn't have missed an opportunity
to cite them, if he had any.






















At 7:14 AM + 8/22/05, Bartta Bistar wrote:




If you say people are with you, prove it at the
hustings: PM to Naxals

http://www.indianexpress.com/full_story.php?content_id=76764



HYDERABAD, AUGUST 21: Days after the YSR Reddy
government ended a year-long truce with Left wing extremist groups and
revived the ban in Andhra Pradesh, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh today
challenged the Naxalites to test their ''popularity'' at the
hustings.

If their movement, Singh said in Hyderabad today, truly
had people's support, they should try and change the system through
democratic means. ''Every political group that claims to represent the
interests of people or of a section must test its popularity at the
hustings. Go and ask people to vote for you. Come to legislatures and
enact the laws that you wish to see in place.''

''The power of people in a democracy flows through the
ballot box and not from the barrel of gun. I have said this to the
Hurriyat in Kashmir, ULFA in Assam and Naxalites in Andhra
Pradesh-there is no grievance that cannot be redressed through
democratic means and sustained dialogue,'' Singh said at a seminar on
''Press and the Nation' organised by the CPI(M) organ Prajasakti.

The Prime Minister made it clear that terror tactics would
not be tolerated. ''Faced with terror tactics, the government will
have no other option than to fight such groups and their ideology of
hatred. Extremism of any form, based on any divisive ideology, cannot
be tolerated in any civilised democratic society,'' he said.













His warning comes on the heels of an upsurge in Naxal
violence after a year's respite and two rounds of peace talks.
Congress MLA C Narsi Reddy and nine others were killed in Narayanpet
on Independence Day.

Singh pointed out that even Gadar, Naxal
emissary and balladeer, had admitted to a TV channel that the killing
of innocent people did not help win a cause. ''This is an important
liberal principle. Our democracy allows us freedom to champion our
cause and win people over to our point of view

Re: Fwd: [Assam] Word to ULFA into action now, PM. Confer ballot onAssam Soverei...

2005-08-22 Thread Rajen Barua

Title: Re: Fwd: [Assam] Word to ULFA into action now, PM. Confer




How for example, can a handful of 
legislators from Assam, who get there thru a profoundly faulty, undemocratic and 
outside special interest controlled electoral process, safeguard Assam's 
interest playing the numbers game in a house of 400 (?); in a system where the 
checks and balances of a lower and upper house is merely a rubber-stamping 
mechanism lacking any teeth, and where the checks and balances of constitutional 
division of powers are non-functional, leading for example a state to refuse 
to obey the directive of the SC on a matter such as riverlinking, and that 
too with impunity?

How Assam was represented by a handfull of Ahom Buragohains and a 
Xorgodewin a most undemocratic manner for 600 years.?
How Assam was ruled in a most undemocratic 
manner for 150 years by the British Raj who destroyed the Assamese 
entreprenership starting with Maniram Dewan and opened and exploited Assam for 
the outsiders? 
That is what we had then, and this is what 
we have now. 
The question is whether we look at the 
glass as half full and try to improve, or we look at it half empty and try to 
destory.
That is my brother is the 
difference.
Try to be a Friend of Assam.
Don't try to be a power hungry 
patriot.
Rajen

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Chan 
  Mahanta 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; Assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu 
  Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 9:00 
  AM
  Subject: Re: Fwd: [Assam] Word to ULFA 
  into action now, PM. Confer ballot onAssam Soverei...
  
  What Dr Manmohan Singh is 
  suggesting is a constitutional process. ULFA's demand, and for that matter 
  that of any insurgency group, isnotbased on 
  India'sConstitution.
  
  
  
   The constitution is skewed against Assam's legitimate RIGHTS and 
  interests. Therefore the whole premise is a meaningless one, as far as Assam's 
  grievances are concerned.
  
  How for example, can a handful of legislators from Assam, who get there 
  thru a profoundly faulty, undemocratic and outside special interest controlled 
  electoral process, safeguard Assam's interest playing the numbers game in a 
  house of 400 (?); in a system where the checks and balances of a lower and 
  upper house is merely a rubber-stamping mechanism lacking any teeth, and where 
  the checks and balances of constitutional division of powers are 
  non-functional, leading for example a state to refuse to obey the directive of 
  the SC on a matter such as riverlinking, and that too with impunity?
  
  Kharkhowas living in the west, in their developed and functional 
  democracies, spouting praise of democratic system do so, without being 
  aware of or deliberately ignoring the realities of desi-demokrasy.
  
  I don't make the charge lightly. One needs only to look at the arguments 
  that we make in Assam net, or in the many India related websites, that display 
  the degree of ignorance of democratic principles, even among the desi 
  elites.
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  At 6:33 AM -0400 8/22/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  Return-path: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Full-name: 
BBaruahMessage-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: Mon, 22 
Aug 2005 06:30:33 EDTSubject: Re: [Assam] Word to ULFA into action 
now, PM. Confer ballot onAssamSovereig...To: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]MIME-Version: 1.0Content-Type: 
multipart/alternative; 
boundary="-1124706633"X-Mailer: 9.0 
SE for Windows sub 631
  What 
Dr Manmohan Singh is suggesting is a constitutional process. ULFA's demand, 
and for that matter that of any insurgency group, isnotbased on 
India'sConstitution. It is not democratic either; in fact it need not 
be democratic. Dr Singh has sworn in to promote, protect and preserve all 
that is there in the Constitution of India.The architects of the 
Indian Constitution were aware of the fact that India is a weak union made 
up of diverse elements -differences in religion, ethnicity, language, 
culture and so on - and it stressed that all efforts must be directed 
towards keeping India united. In this I accuse the Government of India of 
its haphazard efforts or no efforts at all in keeping India united. I also 
believe that a great disservice was done by the Sixth schedule with which Dr 
Ambedkar's name is associated. The sixth schedule was meant for a trial 
period of ten years but the Indian politicians do not have the guts to scrap 
it.In fact more and more people want to benefit from it. Even Dr Ambedkar 
was not happy at last. The caste system is so deeply rooted in Indian 
culture that he advised the dalits to convert to Buddhism. But I personally 
know that even after becoming converts they continued to benefit from the 
Sixth Schedule like all other backward people of India, i e the scheduled 
caste and scheduled tribes.

Re: Fwd: [Assam] Word to ULFA into action now, PM. Confer ballot onAssam Soverei...

Title: Re: Fwd: [Assam] Word to ULFA into action  now, PM.
Confer



You did not explain anything at all here Rajen.

I wished you had.

c








At 9:33 AM -0500 8/22/05, Rajen Barua wrote:
How for example, can a handful of legislators from
Assam, who get there thru a profoundly faulty, undemocratic and
outside special interest controlled electoral process, safeguard
Assam's interest playing the numbers game in a house of 400 (?); in a
system where the checks and balances of a lower and upper house is
merely a rubber-stamping mechanism lacking any teeth, and where
the checks and balances of constitutional division of powers are
non-functional, leading for example a state to refuse to obey the
directive of the SC on a matter such as riverlinking, and that too
with impunity?


How
Assam was represented by a handfull of Ahom Buragohains and a
Xorgodewin a most undemocratic manner for 600
years.?
How
Assam was ruled in a most undemocratic manner for 150 years by the
British Raj who destroyed the Assamese entreprenership starting with
Maniram Dewan and opened and exploited Assam for the
outsiders?
That
is what we had then, and this is what we have now.
The
question is whether we look at the glass as half full and try to
improve, or we look at it half empty and try to
destory.
That
is my brother is the difference.
Try
to be a Friend of Assam.
Don't try to be a power hungry
patriot.
Rajen
- Original Message -
From: Chan
Mahanta
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; Assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 9:00 AM
Subject: Re: Fwd: [Assam] Word to ULFA into action
now, PM. Confer ballot onAssam Soverei...

What Dr
Manmohan Singh is suggesting is a constitutional process. ULFA's
demand, and for that matter that of any insurgency group,
isnotbased on
India'sConstitution.



 The constitution is skewed against Assam's legitimate
RIGHTS and interests. Therefore the whole premise is a meaningless
one, as far as Assam's grievances are concerned.

How for example, can a handful of legislators from Assam,
who get there thru a profoundly faulty, undemocratic and outside
special interest controlled electoral process, safeguard Assam's
interest playing the numbers game in a house of 400 (?); in a system
where the checks and balances of a lower and upper house is merely a
rubber-stamping mechanism lacking any teeth, and where the checks and
balances of constitutional division of powers are non-functional,
leading for example a state to refuse to obey the directive of the SC
on a matter such as riverlinking, and that too with
impunity?

Kharkhowas living in the west, in their developed and
functional democracies, spouting praise of democratic system do so,
without being aware of or deliberately ignoring the realities of
desi-demokrasy.

I don't make the charge lightly. One needs only to look at
the arguments that we make in Assam net, or in the many India related
websites, that display the degree of ignorance of democratic
principles, even among the desi elites.











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What Dr
Manmohan Singh is suggesting is a constitutional process. ULFA's
demand, and for that matter that of any insurgency group,
isnotbased on India'sConstitution. It is not
democratic either; in fact it need not be democratic. Dr Singh has
sworn in to promote, protect and preserve all that is there in the
Constitution of India.The architects of the Indian Constitution
were aware of the fact that India is a weak union made up of diverse
elements -differences in religion, ethnicity, language, culture and so
on - and it stressed that all efforts must be directed towards keeping
India united. In this I accuse the Government of India of its
haphazard efforts or no efforts at all in keeping India united. I also
believe that a great disservice was done by the Sixth schedule with
which Dr Ambedkar's name is associated. The sixth schedule was meant
for a trial period of ten years but the Indian politicians do not have
the guts to scrap it.In fact more and more people want to benefit from
it. Even Dr Ambedkar was not happy at last. The caste system is so
deeply rooted in Indian culture that he advised the dalits to convert
to Buddhism. But I personally know that even after becoming converts
they continued to benefit from the Sixth Schedule like all other
backward people of India, i e the scheduled caste and scheduled
tribes.



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Re: [Assam] Word to ULFA into action now, PM. Confer ballot onAssam Sovereignty restoration

C'da,Extremism and violence do not fall from the sky on some dark andstormy night, on an 'ounxir endhaar raati'. They brew over decades,slowly building steam. Only after seeing no ability to effect change,
get redress for grievances, do people finally, in desperation, take uparms, knowing full well that their likely rewards might just be deathand imprisonment. Hundreds of thousands of ordinary people don't go
about courting death like this if there are any redress in sight orseemed achievableNo they don't. I think we all understand these from historicalmissteps/errors whether they were in Delhi or in Assam.
The question is, what do we do now?

Here is a PM who IS TRYING to setthings aright. But you still want to go back and re-hash history andblame the PM for even trying.If Assam has any chance of peace, this PM (with his connections to
Assam) and his administrations is as close as you can get.We can either keep griping and wail moan or think forward andcapitalize on what we have here.'Indian democracy', whether you like it or not is here to stay in its
present form and function. We can curse it all we want, we can hateit, but the fact of the matter is Assam and her people, just like therest of India have to make the best of what they have.Yes, we would all like improvements in many areas. But your solutions
so far has been a solution of 'throwing the baby with the bath-water'
Is that what we want for Assam - a state embroiled in uncertainity,stunted growth, and myraid of other problems?
Solutions for an 'independent Assam' given all these conditions aretoo far-fetched. Even taking your position - that the Indian democarcyis wretched, IT is the GOI to which the insurgents will ultimately
have to go to for parleys. It is this same 'wretched' GOI that allthis has to come thru.

I know, you will come back and ask: Who is the GOI to give anything (all that mai-baap stuff) to Assam. But looking at the situation in a more practical sense (and without emotion), it is the GOI we have to deal with, and I should think with a PM like Singh who is far more decent than some we have had before, there is a pretty good chance at peace.

--RamOn 8/22/05, Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Maybe, I am missing something here. That is not a 'maybe', Ram. You are missing what is staring on your face :-). Extremism and violence do not fall from the sky on some dark and stormy night, on an 'ounxir endhaar raati'. They brew over decades, slowly building steam. Only after seeing no ability to effect change, get redress for grievances, do people finally, in desperation, take up arms, knowing full well that their likely rewards might just be death and imprisonment. Hundreds of thousands of ordinary people don't go about courting death like this if there are any redress in sight or seemed achievable
thru the process they mistakenly call 'Indian democracy', ALMOST an oxymoron by itself, like 'military intelligence'. Those who cannot fathom that, are the same people who go about making the MMS like pithy pronouncements, after the fact.
Was India unaware of what was brewing in Kashmir Ram? Only the profoundly ignorant or deluded will claim that. Was India unaware of Assam's discontent, before LFA happened? You tell me.
And what did Indian democracy do to prevent them? To forestall them? Dilute the discontent? Where was the great Indian democratic machine? Why could it not not show that it could be counted on to do what MMS claims it can do now? How is it an iota different from what it was then?
You show us Ram. c-da At 8:47 AM -0500 8/22/05, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
C'da, I have said this to the Hurriyat in Kashmir, ULFA in Assam and Naxalites in Andhra Pradesh-there is no grievance that cannot be redressed through democratic means and sustained dialogue,''
What a self contradicting statement! Maybe, I am missing something here. But I don't see any self-contradictory statement here. What is wrong with what the PM is saying. I have even removed my tinted glasses, still don't see a darn thing wrong with the statement. :)
The Prime Minister made it clear that terror tactics would not be tolerated. ''Faced with terror tactics, the government will have no other option than to fight such groups and their ideology of hatred. Extremism of any form, based on any divisive ideology, cannot be tolerated in any civilised democratic society,''
Nor, do I see a problem with the above. --Ram
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Re: Re: [Assam] Introduction Malla Baruah

2005-08-22 Thread Rajen Barua




It appears that it was the time when the famous 
Harakanta-Birakanta brothers of Kamrup were trying to revolt 
against the Ahom king.

And I was corrected by Mr MK Dutta that it should rather 
be Haradatta-Biradatta and not Harakanta-Birakant. I stand 
cotrrecetd for my slip, and thank Dutta for pointing that out.
Rajen Barua


  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Barua25 
  
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Cc: assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu 
  Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 1:12 
  AM
  Subject: Re: Re: [Assam] Introduction 
  Malla Baruah
  
  Dear Dipankar:
  Thanks for the information about Malla Baruahs. I have 
  better and exciting news though. I asked you the question about Malla Baruah, 
  and I got the authentic answerhere in Houston itself from my friend Mr 
  Rabin Mahanta (another ex-Oilindian). So now probably I know more about the 
  (famous) Malla Baruahs in Assam then you. Anyhow the following information 
  about the Malla Baruah family was gathered throughRabin Mahanta 
  whoseGrand Mother comes from the famous Malla Baruah family in North 
  Kamrup, Xankusi to be exact.The title Malla Baruah was apparently 
  given to the family by the Ahom king Gadadhar Singha. It appears that it was 
  the time when the famous Harakanta-Birakanta brothers of Kamrup were trying to 
  revolt against the Ahom king. During this time, Gadadhar Singha 
  appointed and established theancestor with the title of Malla Baruah and 
  grantedlots of land and properties. The Malla Baruah family acted 
  like a Viceroyfor theAhom King on that part of the country. In 
  modern terms, the Malla Baruah family probably acted like a War Lord and 
  pacified any unwanted revolution and maintained law and order and probably 
  collected taxes on behalf of the Ahom Kings. The familyused to maintain 
  a fleet ofelephants and I am sure they used to maintain an army 
  consisted of probably Mallas (or Mals) for the purpose. So Malla Baruah 
  are from a warrior family like that of the Baro Bhuyans (the ancestor family 
  of our famous Xongkordev). You are right that all the Malla Baruahs are 
  probably related one way or another.Now you may not know it but by 
  default you are distant relativesofRabin Mahanta as well 
  asDilip Deka of Houston. I also came to know that our National poet 
  famous Ajit Malla Baruah hails from this family. Looks like Assam is a small 
  world mainly controlled by the Malla Baruahs. Keep it up.
  
  BTW I worked in the Mechanical Engineering discipline 
  and left Oil India in 1979.Since then I have been living in Houston and 
  working here in the oil  gas industry as an engineer.How is the 
  Well Logging Departmentdoing now.What technilogy youuse? Do you do 
  3-D Survey etc?
  Thanks
  Rajen Barua
  
  
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Dipankar Malla Baruah (Well 
Logging) 
To: Rajen Barua 
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu 
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 3:05 
AM
Subject: Re: Re: [Assam] 
Introduction
Rajen da,As far as I know, we Malla Baruahs are 
related to one another and there is only one big Malla Baruah family 
originally from North Kamrup. The meaning of my middle name that you have 
guessed is probably correct as I remember my father saying such a thing to 
me. Rajen da, when did you work in OIL. Which department did you 
work in. What you are doing now. I will be glad to know all 
these.DipankarFrom: "Rajen Barua" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: Fri, 
19 Aug 2005 08:57:09 -0500To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], 
assam@pikespeak.uccs.eduSubject: Re: [Assam] 
IntroductionWelcome to Dipankar from an ex OilIndian.May I ask 
you couple of questions:Are you related to Paresh Malla Baruah?Do 
you know how you guys got the middle name Malla?Is it a title given to 
your ancestor by the Ahoms?Normally that would probably mean 'an officer 
who is in charge of the Malla jujarus"?But I may be 
wrong.ThanksRajen Barua, Houston- Original Message - 
From: "Dipankar Malla Baruah (Well Logging)" 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: 
assam@pikespeak.uccs.eduSent: Friday, August 19, 2005 8:04 
AMSubject: [Assam] Introduction Sambhashan 
everyone,  I am Dipangkar Malla Baruah, working in Oil India 
Ltd presently posted in Duliajan, Assam as Dy Supdng Engineer. I did BE in 
electronics from VRCE (REC), Nagpur in 1993. I will like to interact with 
the people who love Assam in different part of the world.  
Dipangkar   With regards D M Baruah 
Dy Supdng Engineer Well Logging Deptt Oil India Ltd 
    Duliajan - 786 602 Assam Phone : 0374 2803017 (R)094350 
39820 (M)  
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Re: [Assam] 365 Days Birth Days - AssamNet only!

2005-08-22 Thread Pranjal Choudhury

Hi,

My addition
1st september= Pranjal Choudhury(Bangalore,India)
Thanks and Regards
Pranjal
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Raiz,

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RE: [Assam] What?? Indian/Muslim Churidar compulsory! Ban on Dokhna ! othersacquiescing!!

This college Principal need a reality check. Uniforms look good only till school level if at all.

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Hi A:


I don't have an answer for you. But I saw the news, and I am sure there will be more on this :-).

c-da





At 3:59 PM -0500 8/21/05, Alpana B. Sarangapani wrote:
Yes, this is ridiculous - prohibiting the bodostudents from preserving their own culture and tradition. It is strange that the student union bodies also went against these students.
It is strange that Churidar is compulsory and dokhna is prohibited.
We would have been in trouble in our own home-town, if this was the rule in our school.In many families,we, theyoung girlswere not allowed to wear 'suridar' or 'salowar-kamij' when we were young - we went intowearing 'mekhela-saador' or 'sari' straight from wearing frocks.
This one is for you, C'da: When will they start honoring the basic rights of peoplein India?



From: "Bartta Bistar" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: assam@pikespeak.uccs.eduSubject: [Assam] What?? Indian/Muslim Churidar compulsory! Ban on Dokhna !  othersacquiescing!!Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 17:44:19 +

Tension prevails over ban on Bodo dress 



http://www.northeasttribune.com/4736.htm

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Kokrajhar, Aug 21: Tension run high in the Surupeta BHB College in Barpeta district following the college authority banning the entry of Bodo students wearing the traditional Bodo Dokhna dress in the college premises.

The Bodo students wearing the permitted colour Dokhna on Saturday were not allowed to enter in the college premises.

Tension started when the college authority introduced churidar or salwar kamij as the uniform for the girls students beginning this academic year which the Bodo students refused.

The college union bodies started boycotting the classes when the Bodo students refused to obey the dress code and continue attending the class wearing dokhna.

The Bodo students alleged that they were warned by the principal of expel from the college and of giving forceful transfer certificate if they do not come wearing churidar.

The college authority when contacted refutes the allegation saying the students were just requested to obey the order for peaceful atmosphere. There was no warning as such. It was just a request, the authority said.

Different Bodo organization including the influential All Bodo Students Union (ABSU), Bodo Sahitya Sabha (BSS) and All Bodo Women Welfare Federation (ABWWF) has expressed serious concern and anguish over the issue saying its humiliating that the Bodo girls students are not allowed to wear the traditional dress Dokhna even though they put the same colour the college authority has adopted.

In a press release the ABSU said in a state like Assam with diverse ethnic group colour should be the basis of uniform but not the dress.

The ABSU has nothing to say about the colour uniform but lawfully it would strongly oppose the senseless decision of the college authority for adopting the churidar as the only option for uniform dress, the release stated.

Churidar is not the dress of the Bodos and it cannot be the dress of Assamese people either, added ABSU secretary Goutam Mushahary.

We have got full right to preserve our own culture, custom, language and tradition as being the indigenous community. If we cannot have the right to protect and preserve our own culture in our own state then where lies the meaning of freedom and respect of indigenous tribal culture, the release stated.

The Bodo organizations has appealed the college authority to think consciously, carefully and farsightedly if they are really concern about Assam in particular and tribal culture in general.

The organization has also urged the Assamese intellectuals including the All Assam Students Union (AASU) and Assam Sahitya Sabha to come up with helping hands and give a meaningful thought for peaceful solution of the problem and for peaceful future of Assam.








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[Assam] Re: Some sanskrit translations needed

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e or low
caste (which are nothing but man made tradition) but there are only two kinds ofpeople- righteous and the sinners, and He came down to seek and save those who want to be saved byHim. There are only two ways we can reach Moksha. One is by living a perfect life as God wants us tolive, or by His Grace alone. Now Grace and Mercy came through Jesus Christ. Jesus lived aperfect, sinless life, and offered Himself as a sacrifice on the cross for our sins, and whosoveerbelieve in His atoning death will receive permanent fogiveness through Grace, and therby eternallife.If we attempt to attain perfection with our own works, it is an uphill task. (Please read my "IsJesus the only way" article. The mountain that we need to climb is not a small mountain. It ishigher than the moon, stars, or even galaxies. It is pure human arrogance to think that we canreach the top of this mountain and we can be like God with our own works or efforts. T!
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Re: [Assam] Some sanskrit translations needed

Hi,

I just met the pastor of Chruch of India at Indian Independence Day celebration at Eleanor Roosevelt High School, Green Belt Marylnd, who gave out leaflets with the following translation of reportedly Vedic mantras. I couldn't find the match between the translation and the original.

Can you find any or is there a mistake in the translation?

Umesh

http://www.churchofindia.com/mantras.htm

SANSKRIT MANTRAS EXACT MEANINGS
When Bro. Mani Iyer was a hindu priest, he was chanting sanskrit mantras which were made by brahmin legends. After hereceived divine light from Lord Jesus from Bible (word of God), Acts 17:28, he explains the exact meanings of mantras given below. Apart from all of these mantras "Word of god lives for ever".
All glory to Lord Jesus.
1. Om Brahamaputra Namaha Oh thou son of god, I worship thee. Jesus, the Son of God. No doubt Jesus is the son Of God. - John 3:16 2. Om Kannisuthaya Namaha Oh thou son of a virgin, I worship thee. Jesus, the son of Virgin. Jesus was born of virgin Mary.- Mathew 1:23 3. Om Panchakaaya Namaha Oh thou the bearer of five wounds on your body, I worship thee. Jesus bore five wounds on his body. Five wounds were inflicted on Christ when he was nailed to the cross. - Isaiah 53:5 4. Om Virtcha Soola Arunthaya Namaha Oh thou was hung on the tree. I worship thee. Jesus died on the Cross. Jesus was hung on the cross made of wood. - 1 Peter 2:24 5. Om Mrutham Jayaya Namaha Oh thou who had victory over death, I worship thee. Jesus the risen savoir. Three days after the death of Jesus Christ, he rose fro!
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2005-08-22 Thread jkk2020


Hello everyone,

Assamnet will move some time soon to a new home. The new home will be 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


Assamnet was founded in 1985 at the University of Pennsylvania. It has 
been hosted at the University of Colorado from 1991. Luitporia-net was 
started at the University of Missouri in 1990 by Dr. Dipankar Medhi. 
Assamnet and Luitporianet became one in 1998. Since then it has been 
hosted at the University of Colorado. We thank the University of 
Pennsylvania, the University of Missouri and the University of Colorado 
for having given us this opportunity to bring together the Assamese 
diaspora from around the world.


The objective of Assamnet is to bring together people with interest in 
all aspects of Assam, be it social, cultural, religious, educational, 
political or anything at all, so that written discussions and debates 
can take place without  fear and censorship of any kind. In Assam 
itself, it is very difficult openly to discuss many issues of vital 
concern to Assam.


However, we have had issues in Assamnet in the past. Although this is 
normal when a few hundred people constantly participate in spirited 
discussions, we must exercise caution so that discussions and debates 
can take place in a manner wherein widest participation is possible. 
For example, a few years ago several people were removed from the list 
for using unacceptable sexual language during discussions and debates. 
In addition, Assamnet will not allow anyone to recruit people for 
violent activities of any kind. However, peaceful and respectful 
discussion of any topic is welcome.


We will send out an email when we make this transition to 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] We are finishing up the details of the move and it 
will take place soon. Once that happens, instead of sending email to 
assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu, you will send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] It 
will be a new and befitting place to Assamnet after almost 15 years at 
the University of Colorado.


Thank you!

Jugal Kalita (Colorado), Saurav Pathak (Pennsylvania) and Babul Gogoi 
(Delhi)

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RE: [Assam] Boga Baduli and BPO Boom--Part 1

2005-08-22 Thread Swapnali_S

her going back home and
being jobless like my batch mates. Another reason for choosing the BPO
was to avoid jostling with the rowdy and vulgar north Indian crowd. All BPOs
have their private cabs for employees.Last month I completed my 4th year in
BPO.
This Group would be surprised to know that
BPO is the one of the best thing that has happened to India. No Industry can
offer anything better to thousands of mediocre like us and I am sure the
industry will stay here for ever. And parents who opt for English medium
schools are not necessarily "boga baduli". All that matters is the attitude
the parents groom in their kids towards one's culture and language Never for a
moment can I convince myself that with my family background I could have
managed with vernacular education whatever I have achieved so far. My personal
experience says the number of English speaking people/youth is quite less in
Assam when compared to some other Indian states. A few BPOs in our state would
have tackled the abysmal employment problem to certain extent. In other indian
cities the BPO success has ushered in the birth of dozens of english training
center along with special voice and accent courses, american accent being the
first in demand.
I would also like to share my
advantages/disadvangtages as a native Assamese speaker in BPO industry
in another mail.
Swapnali Saikia Bangalore India
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RE: [Assam] NYTimes.com: Politicized Scholars Put Evolution on the Defensive/ Eureka, MIT's AI

ories need to be developed by Western scioentists only -- esp when God is invovled in the picture. Perhaps Asians are more evolved when it come to exploring God -since ALL major religions orginated in Asia.

Umesh

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Re: [Assam] To better serve, assamnet will move to [EMAIL PROTECTED] soon

Hi Jugal,

Congratulations to all of you including Saurav, Dipu, Babul and others who have made Assam net a lively place for spirited discussions.

We can consider this a milestone, where we have a free and cordial exchange of ideas. Keep up the great work.

--Ram da
On 8/22/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello everyone,Assamnet will move some time soon to a new home. The new home will be
[EMAIL PROTECTED].Assamnet was founded in 1985 at the University of Pennsylvania. It hasbeen hosted at the University of Colorado from 1991. Luitporia-net wasstarted at the University of Missouri in 1990 by Dr. Dipankar Medhi.
Assamnet and Luitporianet became one in 1998. Since then it has beenhosted at the University of Colorado. We thank the University ofPennsylvania, the University of Missouri and the University of Coloradofor having given us this opportunity to bring together the Assamese
diaspora from around the world.The objective of Assamnet is to bring together people with interest inall aspects of Assam, be it social, cultural, religious, educational,political or anything at all, so that written discussions and debates
can take place withoutfear and censorship of any kind. In Assamitself, it is very difficult openly to discuss many issues of vitalconcern to Assam.However, we have had issues in Assamnet in the past. Although this is
normal when a few hundred people constantly participate in spiriteddiscussions, we must exercise caution so that discussions and debatescan take place in a manner wherein widest participation is possible.For example, a few years ago several people were removed from the list
for using unacceptable sexual language during discussions and debates.In addition, Assamnet will not allow anyone to recruit people forviolent activities of any kind. However, peaceful and respectfuldiscussion of any topic is welcome.
We will send out an email when we make this transition to[EMAIL PROTECTED]. We are finishing up the details of the move and itwill take place soon. Once that happens, instead of sending email to
assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu, you will send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. Itwill be a new and befitting place to Assamnet after almost 15 years at
the University of Colorado.Thank you!Jugal Kalita (Colorado), Saurav Pathak (Pennsylvania) and Babul Gogoi(Delhi)Assamnet administrators
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Re: [Assam] To better serve, assamnet will move to [EMAIL PROTECTED] soon

Title: Re: [Assam] To better serve, assamnet will move to
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


Ram:


My feelings likewise.


You and I and so many of us here, often get into passionate
debates. There are times we even lose it and get angry. But still
there is a common bond of caring and mutual respect as fellow
Oxomiyas, who feel deeply about Assam's welfare.

But would you know that one of us, from right here in the USA,
has attempted to sabotage and destroy this forum of ours? This person
has written under a pseudonym, to the University, against Jugal and
against Assam Net, characterizing it as harboring a 'terrorist cell'
or some garbage akin to that.

What do Netters think of that? What should we say to this
despicable character, who used to post venom filled and extremist
views right here ? He might still be lurking among us, like the coward
he is, under his own name; even though we have not seen the pseudonym
he used to post under in recent months.

c-da









At 4:21 PM -0500 8/22/05, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
Hi Jugal,

Congratulations to all of you including
Saurav, Dipu, Babul and others who have made Assam net a lively place
for spirited discussions.

We can consider this a milestone, where
we have a free and cordial exchange of ideas. Keep up the great
work.

--Ram da


On 8/22/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello everyone,

Assamnet will move some time soon to a new home. The new home will
be
 [EMAIL PROTECTED].

Assamnet was founded in 1985 at the University of Pennsylvania. It
has
been hosted at the University of Colorado from 1991. Luitporia-net
was
started at the University of Missouri in 1990 by Dr. Dipankar
Medhi.
Assamnet and Luitporianet became one in 1998. Since then it has
been
hosted at the University of Colorado. We thank the University of
Pennsylvania, the University of Missouri and the University of
Colorado
for having given us this opportunity to bring together the
Assamese
diaspora from around the world.

The objective of Assamnet is to bring together people with interest
in
all aspects of Assam, be it social, cultural, religious,
educational,
political or anything at all, so that written discussions and
debates
can take place withoutfear and censorship of any kind. In
Assam
itself, it is very difficult openly to discuss many issues of
vital
concern to Assam.

However, we have had issues in Assamnet in the past. Although this
is
normal when a few hundred people constantly participate in
spirited
discussions, we must exercise caution so that discussions and
debates
can take place in a manner wherein widest participation is
possible.
For example, a few years ago several people were removed from the
list
for using unacceptable sexual language during discussions and
debates.
In addition, Assamnet will not allow anyone to recruit people for
violent activities of any kind. However, peaceful and respectful
discussion of any topic is welcome.

We will send out an email when we make this transition to
[EMAIL PROTECTED]. We are
finishing up the details of the move and it
will take place soon. Once that happens, instead of sending email
to
assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu,
you will send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. It
will be a new and befitting place to Assamnet after almost 15 years
at
the University of Colorado.

Thank you!

Jugal Kalita (Colorado), Saurav Pathak (Pennsylvania) and Babul
Gogoi
(Delhi)
Assamnet administrators



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RE: [Assam] To better serve, assamnet will move to [EMAIL PROTECTED] soon

2005-08-22 Thread Alpana B. Sarangapani

Thanks for the history of Assamnet and Luitporianet, Jugal. Iwas just a little confused before thinkingthat Debu and you started both parellelly and then merged. Now I know, it did merge but were started in two different times. 
Good to know that Assamnet will be even better. Thats what we want, Assamnet to continue flourishing. It is just so unique and popular that peopleend upcoming back here again and again.
Ithank you, Saurav and Babuland send our 'hiya-bhora xubhesya' to you all for giving us the opportunity to stay connected. 
Sincerely,
- Alpana Baideu.



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: assam@pikespeak.uccs.eduSubject: [Assam] To better serve, assamnet will move to [EMAIL PROTECTED] soonDate: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 16:23:59 -0400Hello everyone,Assamnet will move some time soon to a new home. The new home will be [EMAIL PROTECTED]Assamnet was founded in 1985 at the University of Pennsylvania. It has been hosted at the University of Colorado from 1991. Luitporia-net was started at the University of Missouri in 1990 by Dr. Dipankar Medhi. Assamnet and Luitporianet became one in 1998. Since then it has been hosted at the University of Colorado. We thank the University of Pennsylvania, the University of Missouri and the University of Colorado for having given us this opportunity to bring together the 
Assamese diaspora from around the world.The objective of Assamnet is to bring together people with interest in all aspects of Assam, be it social, cultural, religious, educational, political or anything at all, so that written discussions and debates can take place without fear and censorship of any kind. In Assam itself, it is very difficult openly to discuss many issues of vital concern to Assam.However, we have had issues in Assamnet in the past. Although this is normal when a few hundred people constantly participate in spirited discussions, we must exercise caution so that discussions and debates can take place in a manner wherein widest participation is possible. For example, a few years ago several people were removed from the list for using unacceptable sexual language 
during discussions and debates. In addition, Assamnet will not allow anyone to recruit people for violent activities of any kind. However, peaceful and respectful discussion of any topic is welcome.We will send out an email when we make this transition to [EMAIL PROTECTED] We are finishing up the details of the move and it will take place soon. Once that happens, instead of sending email to assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu, you will send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] It will be a new and befitting place to Assamnet after almost 15 years at the University of Colorado.Thank you!Jugal Kalita (Colorado), Saurav Pathak (Pennsylvania) and Babul Gogoi (Delhi)Assamnet 
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Re: [Assam] To better serve, assamnet will move to [EMAIL PROTECTED] soon

Jugal-da,

It is a positive development. So many new members have joined now and discussions have imporved with fresh blood/views.
C-da, it is intriguing about the person you mention using a psuedonym. Why not carry out another email address check on that individual and take action .

UmeshChan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Ram:

My feelings likewise.

You and I and so many of us here, often get into passionate debates. There are times we even lose it and get angry. But still there is a common bond of caring and mutual respect as fellow Oxomiyas, who feel deeply about Assam's welfare.

But would you know that one of us, from right here in the USA, has attempted to sabotage and destroy this forum of ours? This person has written under a pseudonym, to the University, against Jugal and against Assam Net, characterizing it as harboring a 'terrorist cell' or some garbage akin to that.

What do Netters think of that? What should we say to this despicable character, who used to post venom filled and extremist views right here ? He might still be lurking among us, like the coward he is, under his own name; even though we have not seen the pseudonym he used to post under in recent months.

c-da

At 4:21 PM -0500 8/22/05, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
Hi Jugal,

Congratulations to all of you including Saurav, Dipu, Babul and others who have made Assam net a lively place for spirited discussions.

We can consider this a milestone, where we have a free and cordial exchange of ideas. Keep up the great work.

--Ram da
On 8/22/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello everyone,Assamnet will move some time soon to a new home. The new home will be[EMAIL PROTECTED].Assamnet was founded in 1985 at the University of Pennsylvania. It hasbeen hosted at the University of Colorado from 1991. Luitporia-net wasstarted at the University of Missouri in 1990 by Dr. Dipankar Medhi.Assamnet and Luitporianet became one in 1998. Since then it has beenhosted at the University of Colorado. We thank the University ofPennsylvania, the University of Missouri and the University of Coloradofor having given us this opportunity to bring together the Assamesediaspora from around the world.The objective of Assamnet is to bring together people with interest inall aspects of Assam, be it social, cultural, religious, educational,political or anything at all, so that written discussions and debatescan take place withoutfear and censor!
ship of
any kind. In Assamitself, it is very difficult openly to discuss many issues of vitalconcern to Assam.However, we have had issues in Assamnet in the past. Although this isnormal when a few hundred people constantly participate in spiriteddiscussions, we must exercise caution so that discussions and debatescan take place in a manner wherein widest participation is possible.For example, a few years ago several people were removed from the listfor using unacceptable sexual language during discussions and debates.In addition, Assamnet will not allow anyone to recruit people forviolent activities of any kind. However, peaceful and respectfuldiscussion of any topic is welcome.We will send out an email when we make this transition to[EMAIL PROTECTED]. We are finishing up the details of the move and itwill take place soon. Once that happens, instead of sending email toassam@pikespeak.uccs.edu, you will send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. Itwill be a new and befitting place to Assamnet after almost 15 years atthe University of Colorado.Thank you!Jugal Kalita (Colorado), Saurav Pathak (Pennsylvania) and Babul Gogoi(Delhi)Assamnet administratorsCheck Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- 2 GB of storage andindustry-leading spam and email virus protection.___Assam mailing listAssam@pikespeak.uccs.eduhttp://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam
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[Assam] Test of Democracy - Indian Express

If a movement shies away from testing its own legitimacy, it becomesmerely 
self-serving. Its own claims to be fighting for justice, or forthe rights of 
the people, simply become self-confirming assumptions,with no accountability to 
anyone.  IE
Really, very little else need to be said about insurgent groups in the country
--Ram__ Test of democracy The prime minister 
has thrown a challenge to Naxalite groups An important question about the 
legitimacy of the Naxal movement hasbeen raised by Prime Minister Manmohan 
Singh. He has punctured thebasic pretension that Naxalites in this country have 
long held, thattheirs is a popular movement. He has asked them to prove 
theirpopularity by joining the electoral process and not through violentand 
intimidating acts. In doing so, the prime minister has also drawnattention to a 
paradox that lies at the heart of so many violentmovements which claim to 
represent the people. These movements can doeverything but face the people in 
an open contest.
The political process is often full of shortcomings, and does notunambiguously 
express the will of the people. But it does not followfrom this fact that any 
group can claim the mantle of representing thepeople, their needs and 
aspirations, simply by trumpeting loudly thatthey are fighting for the people. 
Even if the grievances that theNaxals draw upon truly exist, their means, 
methods and policies needto be subject to some test to ascertain their 
legitimacy. For all itsinfirmities, electoral democracy is one of the few means 
ofadjudicating any claims to represent the people. If a movement shiesaway from 
testing its own legitimacy, it becomes merely self-serving.Its own claims to be 
fighting for justice, or for the rights of thepeople, simply become 
self-confirming assumptions, with noaccountability to anyone.
The prime minister is challenging a movement, that claims to befighting for 
justice, to subject itself to the test of democracy. Indoing so, he is also 
displaying great confidence in an open politicalprocess, by suggesting that the 
media should be allowed to interactwith any political group. But no democracy 
can and ought to tolerateits own subversion. The subversion is all the more 
insidious when donein the name of the people. Participating in the democratic 
processcomes with some unavoidable conditions. It requires abjuring violence,it 
requires respecting the integrity of a political process. The primeminister's 
call to the Naxals, therefore, is both a warning that theyhave to give up 
violence, and a challenge to them to prove what theyclaim for themselves — 
popular support.  

URL: http://www.indianexpress.com/full_story.php?content_id=76768
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Re: [Assam] Test of Democracy - Indian Express

Thats a brilliant observation. That is the real meaning of democracy and self rule.

UmeshRam Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
"If a movement shies away from testing its own legitimacy, it becomesmerely self-serving. Its own claims to be fighting for justice, or forthe rights of the people, simply become self-confirming assumptions,with no accountability to anyone. " IEReally, very little else need to be said about insurgent groups in the country--Ram__ Test of democracy The prime minister has thrown a challenge to Naxalite groups An important question about the legitimacy of the Naxal movement hasbeen raised by Prime Minister Manmohan Singh. He has punctured thebasic pretension that Naxalites in this country have long held, thattheirs is a popular movement. He has asked them to prove theirpopularity by joining the electoral process and not through violentand intimidating acts. In doing so, the prime minister has also drawnattention to a paradox that lies at th!
e heart
of so many violentmovements which claim to represent the people. These movements can doeverything but face the people in an open contest.The political process is often full of shortcomings, and does notunambiguously express the will of the people. But it does not followfrom this fact that any group can claim the mantle of representing thepeople, their needs and aspirations, simply by trumpeting loudly thatthey are fighting for the people. Even if the grievances that theNaxals draw upon truly exist, their means, methods and policies needto be subject to some test to ascertain their legitimacy. For all itsinfirmities, electoral democracy is one of the few means ofadjudicating any claims to represent the people. If a movement shiesaway from testing its own legitimacy, it becomes merely self-serving.Its own claims to be fighting for justice, or for the rights of thepeople, simply become self-confirming assumptions, with noaccountability to anyone.The prime minister is
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Re: [Assam] Bandh culture

2005-08-21 Thread sushil mishra

Dear All
Let us talk in today's context. Most of us are self
employed who earn their wages on daily basis. Very few
people in society have permanent job who can absorbe
the shock of One day's Bandha. Even professionals
are paid on hourly  daily basis these days. They are
not employed rather hired. Think about the people on
street e. g. Auto Rikshaw Driver, Rikshaw Puller, Tea
Vendor, Cigarette vendor etc, the list is endless.
They have to go literally without any earning on the
day of Bandha. They too have family members 
dependents to feed. In fact in today's date we are
struggling to survive. The age has come that we have
to buy even water to drink.

Can we justify Bandha considering these things? Yes we
can! Let us go hungry on the day of Bandha. Let us not
feed milk to our children  let us not carry any
patient in the family to hospital because we would be
observing Bandha. Let us make the Bandha successful by
stopping all those daily chores. Believe me the Bandha
will become successful. 
What I see that Bandha brings cheers to those who are
privileged (those who have permanent employment)  it
brings dispair to those who are on street. The choice
is ours. After all it is our society  we only have to
face the consequence; good or bad.

With warm regards
SUSHIL KUMAR MISHRA
MUSCAT
SULTANATE OF OMAN 

--- umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 someone said that to Mahatma Gandhi that this
 non-violent Bandh /strikes would ultimately be
 harming the country and ruining the work ethic of
 Indians. Elsewhere I think the communists had
 started this thing -- if I remember correctly in
 Paris Labor Marches had taken place like this much
 eaelier.
  
 Umesh
 
 Ram Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Dipankar,
  
 Many netters have written often about this 'bandh
 culture'. Reading the Assam Tribune and the Sentinel
 I have read many people voice their opinions against
 such a culture. Unfortunately, that doesn't seem to
 be heard. 
  
 The organizers of these bands care very little about
 the economic effects. The public too seems to care
 less. On the one hand its a holiday, so why worry.
 The fact that traders and manufacturers will
 ultimately shift the cost of bandhs to consumers in
 way of higher prices is not given any thought
 either. 
  
 Can anybody suggest a remedy for this sickening
 culture.
  
 The solution obviously lies with the people. They
 are ones that the organizers seek support from. If
 people do not give them that support, then calls for
 bandhs will fail.
  
 I think recently a bandh call by some minority
 student group failed in major cities like Guwahati
 because people just ignored it. That is the
 solution.
  
 --Ram
 
 
  
 On Sat, Aug 20 2005 8:22:49 GMT+0530, Dipankar Malla
 Baruah (Well Logging) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote: Hi all,
 
 Today there is another Assam Bandh in Assam called
 by small tea garden owner's union. This has been a
 policy of every organization to call for a bandh to
 show their existence. The bandh is declared in such
 a way so that people get continuous holidays like on
 Saturdays and Mondays or when there is a normal day
 in between holidays. People also blindly support the
 bandh and prefer to have a rest day at home without
 even knowing the cause of the bandh. Can anybody
 suggest a remedy for this sickening culture. 
 
 Dipankar
 
 With regards
 D M Baruah
 Dy Supdng Engineer
 Well Logging Deptt
 Oil India Ltd
 Duliajan - 786 602
 Assam
 Phone : 0374 2803017 (R)094350 39820 (M)
 
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Re: [Assam] Bandh culture




I wrote about this before. One of the 
reasons for success of these Bundh Culture in Assam is that the News Papers 
publish the announcements of each and every proposed Bundhs by allorgs all 
over Assam. It does not need a Rocket Scientist to figure out that any announced 
Bundh by any party will not be very successful if the media do not publicize 
about it. No org has the capability or the manpower to affect a Bundh unless 
people and the police cooperate in the Bundh. So it is a two way street. The 
question is why the media donot help Assam and help themselves and decide not to 
publish any announcement of proposed Bundh? Why media does not have the courage 
to do it? This is what I call Assam like to cry with both ends; Complain for 
Bundhs on one hand and announce, cooperateand help the Bundh on the 
other.
Rajen Barua


- Original Message - 
From: "sushil mishra" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; "Ram 
Sarangapani" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 1:08 AM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Bandh 
culture
 Dear All Let us talk in today's context. Most of us are 
self employed who earn their wages on daily basis. Very few 
people in society have permanent job who can absorbe the shock of One 
day's "Bandha". Even professionals are paid on hourly  daily basis 
these days. They are not employed rather hired. Think about the people 
on street e. g. Auto Rikshaw Driver, Rikshaw Puller, Tea Vendor, 
Cigarette vendor etc, the list is endless. They have to go literally 
without any earning on the day of Bandha. They too have family members 
 dependents to feed. In fact in today's date we are 
struggling to survive. The age has come that we have to buy even water 
to drink.  Can we justify Bandha considering these things? Yes 
we can! Let us go hungry on the day of Bandha. Let us not feed 
milk to our children  let us not carry any patient in the family to 
hospital because we would be observing Bandha. Let us make the Bandha 
successful by stopping all those daily chores. Believe me the 
Bandha will become successful.  What I see that Bandha brings 
cheers to those who are privileged (those who have permanent employment) 
 it brings dispair to those who are on street. The choice 
is ours. After all it is our society  we only have to face the 
consequence; good or bad.  With warm regards SUSHIL 
KUMAR MISHRA MUSCAT SULTANATE OF OMAN   --- 
umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:   someone said that to Mahatma Gandhi that 
this  non-violent Bandh /strikes would ultimately be  
harming the country and ruining the work ethic of  Indians. 
Elsewhere I think the communists had  started this thing -- if I 
remember correctly in  Paris Labor Marches had taken place like this 
much  eaelier.Umesh  
  Ram Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
 Dipankar,Many netters have written often 
about this 'bandh  culture'. Reading the Assam Tribune and the 
Sentinel  I have read many people voice their opinions 
against  such a culture. Unfortunately, that doesn't seem to 
 be heard. The organizers of these bands 
care very little about  the economic effects. The public too seems 
to care  less. On the one hand its a holiday, so why worry. 
 The fact that traders and manufacturers will  ultimately shift 
the cost of bandhs to consumers in  way of higher prices is not 
given any thought  either. Can 
anybody suggest a remedy for this sickening  culture. 
   The solution obviously lies with the people. 
They  are ones that the organizers seek support from. If 
 people do not give them that support, then calls for  bandhs 
will fail.I think recently a bandh call by 
some minority  student group failed in major cities like 
Guwahati  because people just ignored it. That is the  
solution.--Ram
On Sat, Aug 20 2005 8:22:49 GMT+0530, Dipankar 
Malla  Baruah (Well Logging) [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote: Hi all,    Today there is another "Assam 
Bandh" in Assam called  by small tea garden owner's union. This has 
been a  policy of every organization to call for a bandh to 
 show their existence. The bandh is declared in such  a way so 
that people get continuous holidays like on  Saturdays and Mondays 
or when there is a normal day  in between holidays. People also 
blindly support the  bandh and prefer to have a rest day at home 
without  even knowing the cause of the bandh. Can anybody 
 suggest a remedy for this sickening culture. 
DipankarWith regards  D M Baruah 
 Dy Supdng Engineer  Well Logging Deptt  Oil India 
Ltd  Duliajan - 786 602  Assam  Phone : 0374 
2803017 (R)094350 39820 (M)
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Re: [Assam] Sentinel News

Title: Re: [Assam] Sentinel News


Ram:



At 8:01 PM -0500 8/19/05, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
C'da,

While Dr. Goswami probably has the best
intentions in her heart, 




 How would we know ?





How will the GOI be able to release those
held in a different country? B'desh in this case.



 That is a hard one Ram. I can make some suggestions, but on
second thought, I better not open my mouth on this. Let us see if YOU
can figure this one out on your own.



What happens to those who are released?
Will they go back to their old ways or will they join the
mainstream?



 I am not prescient enough to foretell that. But even if they
join that 'mainstream', would that be a good thing, considering that
'mainstream's' track record on integrity, honesty, industry and its
dedication to the common good of Assam ? At any event it could not be
any worse than the established pillars of society or the Govt.
'mainstreamed' ones that go by the acronym of SULFA. Could it?




If those who are in prison for murder or
other high crimes are realeased (because it is politically expedient),
then what does that say about crime  punishment? How will the GOI
justify releasing such people?.



 You really put me in a spot here Ram. How do you keep coming
up with these
check-mates, just when I think I had your arguments on the
ropes?

Let me see now. How about:

 A:
Setting up a *'ha-pi-pw-bi' commission for example in the
likeness
 of say
the Nanavati Commission? But with a deadline of one week?
 Because
otherwise not only the prisoners but we will likely be all
 dead
before they can exonerate all officially.
 
 B: If
setting up a kangaroo-commission is not selling well these days,
 then
how about a tribunal headed by a retd.( no, no--not retarded)

(in)justice with a name like Nopota ( or even Pota) Phukan,
or

Xoitnarayon Xorma?

 C:
Perhaps a Udok-Beta-Rokhiya Commission , headed by people of

impeccable human rights record from a non-violent state, like
Narendra

Nerobhai Modi from the land of Gandhi? Or maybe a rising
political star

currently between jobs, like Sri Jagadish Tytler?

Any one of these could keep the record of the high standards of
Indian justice intact for posterity, while the interest of peace in
Assam is served by releasing the ULFA leaders to facilitate a
negotiate a political solution to this quarter century old
conflict.




This is specially important as some
netters frequently(and probably justifiably) point to the
absence/inaction of justice in India and how wheels of justice are
slow and inefficient. These netters obviously would NOT want the GOI
to any such thing, would they?



 I know how you feel. But if I were you I will ignore 'em
ne'r-do-good India bashers. What do they know? All they can talk
about is how bad everything in India is! Tell you, these are the true
'khai-paat-folaas'.


Dr Goswami also reminded the
PMthat no untoward incident had
happened in Assam on theIndependence Day, which was a
positive sign
from the rebelgroup.

What about all those bombs going off
pre-IDay? Maybe she meant that Assam was lucky that nothing happened,
and NOT because the insurgents didn't try.



 Hmm, that is kind of a conundrum, ain't it? Tell you what,
it is entirely possible that hey had something up their sleeves. But
take the case of 'Joj-fild': Had it not been ploughed up to frisk for
'fotkas', who knows they just might have scared a matobbor-montri or a
retarded general or a big-bellied babu witless on Aug. 15?

But really I think something else happened. ULFA must have seen
clearly that they got their message across and people took the day off
to REALLY enjoy the holiday, without anyone having to be panicked, in
addition to be harangued and scorched in the bhado-mohiya-ro'd. I look
at it as public service. I know you would call me a subversive, but
that is what I am here for.




She has really put a good spin on
this.

 Didn't she though? Tell you, these writers are something
else! Give them an inch and they will take over the tent. Maybe they
should keep these Assamese ingrates off from ever receiving
sorkari-awards, making them visible, only to create trouble
later.



You should not have let your guard down so badly to allow me to
pile on your spinalysis like this on a Sunday morning Ram :-)

Take care.

c-da







Just thoughts.

--Ram







On 8/19/05, Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
As a wellwisher of Assam, I support Dr. Goswami in her
efforts. If
anyone from Delhi is listening, I will appreciate if he/she would
forward the word of my humble solidarity, for whatever it is
worth,
to her.

Mamoni:Free Anup, 9 other ULFA leaders


From ourCorrespondent
NEW DELHI, Aug 19:Noted writer Dr Mamoni Raisom Goswami
requested
Prime MinisterDr Manmohan Singh to release the top ten
ULFA leaders
who arelanguishing in different jails in Assam and
Bangladesh.

In a letter tothe PM, Dr Goswami

Re: [Assam] Bandh culture

Title: Re: [Assam] Bandh culture


Right on Brother ( pardon my 70s slogan)!

Surely the 'media', should not go bite the hand that feeds. Isn't
that desi-demokrasy all about?

But seriously, the role of the media is NOT to censor news. It is
to disseminate it.

Like Sushil Mishra explains, ONLY those with a guaranteed salary,
work or no work gain from 'bondhos' -- get free holidays. And who are
those? Take a wild guess!

And where do they come from? From the unaccountable ranks of
Indian style govt., with no law enforcement, no justice. Kind of
FREEDOM desi-demokrasy provides and so many of our righteous brethren
froth in the mouth promoting and preserving for Mother India.













At 8:52 AM -0500 8/21/05, Barua25 wrote:
I
wrote about this before. One of the reasons for success of these Bundh
Culture in Assam is that the News Papers publish the announcements of
each and every proposed Bundhs by allorgs all over Assam. It
does not need a Rocket Scientist to figure out that any announced
Bundh by any party will not be very successful if the media do not
publicize about it. No org has the capability or the manpower to
affect a Bundh unless people and the police cooperate in the Bundh. So
it is a two way street. The question is why the media donot help Assam
and help themselves and decide not to publish any announcement of
proposed Bundh? Why media does not have the courage to do it? This is
what I call Assam like to cry with both ends; Complain for Bundhs on
one hand and announce, cooperateand help the Bundh on the
other.
Rajen Barua


-
Original Message -
From:
sushil mishra [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]; Ram Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent:
Sunday, August 21, 2005 1:08 AM
Subject: Re:
[Assam] Bandh culture

 Dear
All
 Let us talk in today's context. Most of us are self
 employed who earn their wages on daily basis. Very few
 people in society have permanent job who can absorbe
 the shock of One day's Bandha. Even professionals
 are paid on hourly  daily basis these days. They are
 not employed rather hired. Think about the people on
 street e. g. Auto Rikshaw Driver, Rikshaw Puller, Tea
 Vendor, Cigarette vendor etc, the list is endless.
 They have to go literally without any earning on the
 day of Bandha. They too have family members 
 dependents to feed. In fact in today's date we are
 struggling to survive. The age has come that we have
 to buy even water to drink.

 Can we justify Bandha considering these things? Yes we
 can! Let us go hungry on the day of Bandha. Let us not
 feed milk to our children  let us not carry any
 patient in the family to hospital because we would be
 observing Bandha. Let us make the Bandha successful by
 stopping all those daily chores. Believe me the Bandha
 will become successful.
 What I see that Bandha brings cheers to those who are
 privileged (those who have permanent employment)  it
 brings dispair to those who are on street. The choice
 is ours. After all it is our society  we only have to
 face the consequence; good or bad.

 With warm regards
 SUSHIL KUMAR MISHRA
 MUSCAT
 SULTANATE OF OMAN

 --- umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  someone said that to Mahatma Gandhi that this
  non-violent Bandh /strikes would ultimately be
  harming the country and ruining the work ethic of
  Indians. Elsewhere I think the communists had
  started this thing -- if I remember correctly in
  Paris Labor Marches had taken place like this much
  eaelier.
 
  Umesh


  Ram Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
  Dipankar,
 
  Many netters have written often about this 'bandh
  culture'. Reading the Assam Tribune and the Sentinel
  I have read many people voice their opinions against
  such a culture. Unfortunately, that doesn't seem to
  be heard.
 
  The organizers of these bands care very little about
  the economic effects. The public too seems to care
  less. On the one hand its a holiday, so why worry.
  The fact that traders and manufacturers will
  ultimately shift the cost of bandhs to consumers in
  way of higher prices is not given any thought
  either.
 
  Can anybody suggest a remedy for this sickening
  culture.
 
  The solution obviously lies with the people. They
  are ones that the organizers seek support from. If
  people do not give them that support, then calls for
  bandhs will fail.
 
  I think recently a bandh call by some minority
  student group failed in major cities like Guwahati
  because people just ignored it. That is the
  solution.
 
  --Ram
 
 
 
  On Sat, Aug 20 2005 8:22:49 GMT+0530, Dipankar Malla
  Baruah (Well Logging) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  wrote: Hi all,
 
  Today there is another Assam Bandh in Assam
called
  by small tea garden owner's union. This has been a
  policy of every organization to call for a bandh to
  show their existence. The bandh is declared in such
  a way so that people get continuous holidays like on
  Saturdays and Mondays or when there is a normal day

Re: [Assam] Bandh culture

2005-08-21 Thread Rajib Das


http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/7454_1468200,000800050001.htm

We are ALL in the same boat, brother!

The ULFA or Congress or AGP or whoever else, it is the
same political machinery at work - churning money for
the same overall set of power brokers. 

Whoever is saying independence, midwifed by ULFA, is
going to be any different is pulling wool over our
eyes.   




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Re: [Assam] Bandh culture

Title: Re: [Assam] Bandh culture



ONLY those with a guaranteed salary, work or no work gain from 
'bondhos' -- get free holidays.

Are you suggesting ULFA and other orgs 
make a pact with Govt employees and others who have guaranteed salariesto 
announce and time these Bundhs so that they get free holidays? Are you 
suggesting ULFA and the Govt are making a conspiracy against the self employed 
and the contractors ion Assam? I don't think you need to take a wild guess on 
this.
Rajen


  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Chan 
  Mahanta 
  To: Barua25 ; sushil 
  mishra ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; Ram Sarangapani ; 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 9:12 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [Assam] Bandh culture
  
  Right on Brother ( pardon my 70s slogan)!
  
  Surely the 'media', should not go bite the hand that feeds. Isn't that 
  desi-demokrasy all about?
  
  But seriously, the role of the media is NOT to censor news. It is to 
  disseminate it.
  
  Like Sushil Mishra explains, ONLY those with a guaranteed salary, work or 
  no work gain from 'bondhos' -- get free holidays. And who are those? Take a 
  wild guess!
  
  And where do they come from? From the unaccountable ranks of Indian style 
  govt., with no law enforcement, no justice. Kind of FREEDOM desi-demokrasy 
  provides and so many of our righteous brethren froth in the mouth promoting 
  and preserving for Mother India.
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  At 8:52 AM -0500 8/21/05, Barua25 wrote:
  I wrote 
about this before. One of the reasons for success of these Bundh Culture in 
Assam is that the News Papers publish the announcements of each and every 
proposed Bundhs by allorgs all over Assam. It does not need a Rocket 
Scientist to figure out that any announced Bundh by any party will not be 
very successful if the media do not publicize about it. No org has the 
capability or the manpower to affect a Bundh unless people and the police 
cooperate in the Bundh. So it is a two way street. The question is why the 
media donot help Assam and help themselves and decide not to publish any 
announcement of proposed Bundh? Why media does not have the courage to do 
it? This is what I call Assam like to cry with both ends; Complain for 
Bundhs on one hand and announce, cooperateand help the Bundh on the 
other.
  Rajen 
Barua
  
  
  - Original 
Message -
  From: "sushil 
mishra" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 
"Ram Sarangapani" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Sunday, 
August 21, 2005 1:08 AM
  Subject: Re: 
[Assam] Bandh culture
  
   Dear 
All Let us talk in today's context. Most of us are self 
employed who earn their wages on daily basis. Very few people in 
society have permanent job who can absorbe the shock of One day's 
"Bandha". Even professionals are paid on hourly  daily basis 
these days. They are not employed rather hired. Think about the 
people on street e. g. Auto Rikshaw Driver, Rikshaw Puller, 
Tea Vendor, Cigarette vendor etc, the list is endless. They 
have to go literally without any earning on the day of Bandha. They 
too have family members  dependents to feed. In fact in today's 
date we are struggling to survive. The age has come that we 
have to buy even water to drink. Can we justify 
Bandha considering these things? Yes we can! Let us go hungry on the 
day of Bandha. Let us not feed milk to our children  let us not 
carry any patient in the family to hospital because we would 
be observing Bandha. Let us make the Bandha successful by 
stopping all those daily chores. Believe me the Bandha will become 
successful. What I see that Bandha brings cheers to those who 
are privileged (those who have permanent employment)  
it brings dispair to those who are on street. The choice is 
ours. After all it is our society  we only have to face the 
consequence; good or bad. With warm regards SUSHIL 
KUMAR MISHRA MUSCAT SULTANATE OF OMAN --- 
umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  someone said that to Mahatma Gandhi 
that this  non-violent Bandh /strikes would ultimately 
be  harming the country and ruining the work ethic of 
 Indians. Elsewhere I think the communists had  started this 
thing -- if I remember correctly in  Paris Labor Marches had 
taken place like this much  eaelier.  
 Umesh

 Ram Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:  Dipankar,   Many netters 
have written often about this 'bandh  culture'. Reading the 
Assam Tribune and the Sentinel  I have read many people voice 
their opinions against  such a culture. Unfortunately, that 
doesn't seem to  be heard.   The 
organizers of these bands care very little about  the economic 
effects. The public too seems to c

Re: [Assam] Bandh culture


 Whoever is saying independence, midwifed by ULFA, is
going to be any different is pulling wool over our
eyes.




 Let us hear WHY and HOW it would be the SAME.


And if it WOULD be the same, HOW could it be CHANGED for the better? 
Or is Assam forever condemned to the state of affairs as a 
'prbojonmor paapor-porasit'?














At 7:47 AM -0700 8/21/05, Rajib Das wrote:

http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/7454_1468200,000800050001.htm

We are ALL in the same boat, brother!

The ULFA or Congress or AGP or whoever else, it is the
same political machinery at work - churning money for
the same overall set of power brokers.

Whoever is saying independence, midwifed by ULFA, is
going to be any different is pulling wool over our
eyes.



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RE: [Assam] Hi Group.............

2005-08-21 Thread Rajib Das


India isn't breaking up anytime soon. It's time to
breakup has long passed. USSR was bankrupt by the time
it was breaking up. More than anything else India's
different regions and its pan Indian middle class have
a very strong economic case to stick together. The
status quo powers and their capitalist machinery NEED
India to be one entity - for both economic and
military reasons. India's federal army has way more
funds today (at far less a percentage of GDP) than
ever before.

Except for some age old, diehard veterans on this
board and some quixotic planners in Pakistan, IMHO
there aren't too many that think it is possible in the
immediate future - read our lifetimes. As for 200
years hence, it is too far away.

Oh yes, with this may I add, the time for revolt and
revolution is also long over. There is a better
business case for sitting down quietly and peacefully
and letting people work and earn money. It isn't any
wonder why the streets of Assam aren't exactly burning
with the fire of revolution.

But Mike, you have posed an interesting question.
Share your theories and answers to the questions you
have posed.


 Take time asking 'Is India heading Somewhere?'
 What if India broke up without bloodshed - USSR
 Style? Who will gain and who 
 lose?





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Re: [Assam] Bandh culture

Title: Re: [Assam] Bandh culture


At 9:57 AM -0500 8/21/05, Barua25 wrote:
ONLY those with a guaranteed salary,
work or no work gain from 'bondhos' -- get free holidays.

Are
you suggesting ULFA and other orgs make a pact with Govt employees and
others who have guaranteed salariesto announce and time these
Bundhs so that they get free holidays? Are you suggesting ULFA and the
Govt are making a conspiracy against the self employed and the
contractors ion Assam? I don't think you need to take a wild guess on
this.
Rajen



 Excuse me!

 
How has ULFA appeared in this scene? Is it ULFA that gives the
weekly calls to 'bondhos' in Assam?

I tried but failed to understand the question. Give us a little
help here.

Also, let us hear about the 'media' selectively disseminating or
holding back news. It is a novel role for media for someone dedicated
to democracy, desi or otherwise. Obviously my comment did not sit
well. The conjecture would be that mine was a subversive or
'un-democratic' one. So let us clear the air.

But we all make mistakes, so if it is to be withdrawn as a
knee-jerk, un-deliberated response, that would be fine. No one would
hold it to demonize any one, if I could be allowed such an assessment.
But at least it would not pile onto an already high list of other
similarly poorly deliberated, seat-of-the-pants
recommendations.









- Original Message -
From: Chan
Mahanta
To: Barua25 ; sushil mishra ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; Ram Sarangapani ; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 9:12 AM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Bandh culture

Right on Brother ( pardon my 70s slogan)!

Surely the 'media', should not go bite the hand that
feeds. Isn't that desi-demokrasy all about?

But seriously, the role of the media is NOT to censor
news. It is to disseminate it.

Like Sushil Mishra explains, ONLY those with a guaranteed
salary, work or no work gain from 'bondhos' -- get free holidays. And
who are those? Take a wild guess!

And where do they come from? From the unaccountable ranks
of Indian style govt., with no law enforcement, no justice. Kind of
FREEDOM desi-demokrasy provides and so many of our righteous brethren
froth in the mouth promoting and preserving for Mother
India.













At 8:52 AM -0500 8/21/05, Barua25 wrote:
I
wrote about this before. One of the reasons for success of these Bundh
Culture in Assam is that the News Papers publish the announcements of
each and every proposed Bundhs by allorgs all over Assam. It
does not need a Rocket Scientist to figure out that any announced
Bundh by any party will not be very successful if the media do not
publicize about it. No org has the capability or the manpower to
affect a Bundh unless people and the police cooperate in the Bundh. So
it is a two way street. The question is why the media donot help Assam
and help themselves and decide not to publish any announcement of
proposed Bundh? Why media does not have the courage to do it? This is
what I call Assam like to cry with both ends; Complain for Bundhs on
one hand and announce, cooperateand help the Bundh on the
other.



Rajen
Barua





- Original Message
-

From: sushil mishra
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Ram Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005
1:08 AM

Subject: Re: [Assam] Bandh
culture


 Dear All
 Let us talk in today's context. Most of us are self
 employed who earn their wages on daily basis. Very few
 people in society have permanent job who can absorbe
 the shock of One day's Bandha. Even professionals
 are paid on hourly  daily basis these days. They are
 not employed rather hired. Think about the people on
 street e. g. Auto Rikshaw Driver, Rikshaw Puller, Tea
 Vendor, Cigarette vendor etc, the list is endless.
 They have to go literally without any earning on the
 day of Bandha. They too have family members 
 dependents to feed. In fact in today's date we are
 struggling to survive. The age has come that we have
 to buy even water to drink.

 Can we justify Bandha considering these things? Yes we
 can! Let us go hungry on the day of Bandha. Let us not
 feed milk to our children  let us not carry any
 patient in the family to hospital because we would be
 observing Bandha. Let us make the Bandha successful by
 stopping all those daily chores. Believe me the Bandha
 will become successful.
 What I see that Bandha brings cheers to those who are
 privileged (those who have permanent employment)  it
 brings dispair to those who are on street. The choice
 is ours. After all it is our society  we only have to
 face the consequence; good or bad.

 With warm regards
 SUSHIL KUMAR MISHRA
 MUSCAT
 SULTANATE OF OMAN

 --- umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  someone said that to Mahatma Gandhi that this
  non-violent Bandh /strikes would ultimately be
  harming the country and ruining the work ethic of
  Indians. Elsewhere I think the communists had
  started this thing

Re: [Assam] Bandh culture

Title: Re: [Assam] Bandh culture



Brother! 
The responsibility of the news media is to 
publish news after it happens, not to publish future would be probable news and 
createnews. But in case of Assam Bundhs that is what happens. Thus 
the kharkhwa news media is not doing its duty and doing a great 
disservice to the public in my opinion. Let the news mediasimply publish 
the Bundh after it happens. They don't need to publicize the proposed Time Table 
of a Bundh all over Assam to help ULFA or any other org or the guaranteed 
salaried govt employeesto enjoy free holidays. People of Assam in 
fact shouldtake a democratic resolution to ban publication of such would 
be Bundh unless written request is received from any party. Today any 
Nodai-Bhodai can call the News office and announce a Bundh and litikai 
khar-khwa hobo-diok news media publish the same, and then complain. 
Let ULFA publish the news of their Bundhs. Why the media is trying to help ULFA 
and the govt employees and then cry about these Bundh Culture? One 
solution is to demolish all government run business orgs and make these private 
so that there is no free cake. No work no pay for everybody like the 
Ricksawallas. Brother, Assam Bundh will stop and we don't have to blame the 
desi-demokresi, and people of Assam will not have to cry and 
wipeboth ends. That my brother I would call a well wisher proposal for the 
common hard working poor people of Assam. Any support, brother?
Rajen Barua


  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Chan 
  Mahanta 
  To: Barua25 ; sushil 
  mishra ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; Ram Sarangapani ; 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 9:12 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [Assam] Bandh culture
  
  Right on Brother ( pardon my 70s slogan)!
  
  Surely the 'media', should not go bite the hand that feeds. Isn't that 
  desi-demokrasy all about?
  
  But seriously, the role of the media is NOT to censor news. It is to 
  disseminate it.
  
  Like Sushil Mishra explains, ONLY those with a guaranteed salary, work or 
  no work gain from 'bondhos' -- get free holidays. And who are those? Take a 
  wild guess!
  
  And where do they come from? From the unaccountable ranks of Indian style 
  govt., with no law enforcement, no justice. Kind of FREEDOM desi-demokrasy 
  provides and so many of our righteous brethren froth in the mouth promoting 
  and preserving for Mother India.
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  At 8:52 AM -0500 8/21/05, Barua25 wrote:
  I wrote 
about this before. One of the reasons for success of these Bundh Culture in 
Assam is that the News Papers publish the announcements of each and every 
proposed Bundhs by allorgs all over Assam. It does not need a Rocket 
Scientist to figure out that any announced Bundh by any party will not be 
very successful if the media do not publicize about it. No org has the 
capability or the manpower to affect a Bundh unless people and the police 
cooperate in the Bundh. So it is a two way street. The question is why the 
media donot help Assam and help themselves and decide not to publish any 
announcement of proposed Bundh? Why media does not have the courage to do 
it? This is what I call Assam like to cry with both ends; Complain for 
Bundhs on one hand and announce, cooperateand help the Bundh on the 
other.
  Rajen 
Barua
  
  
  - Original 
Message -
  From: "sushil 
mishra" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 
"Ram Sarangapani" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Sunday, 
August 21, 2005 1:08 AM
  Subject: Re: 
[Assam] Bandh culture
  
   Dear 
All Let us talk in today's context. Most of us are self 
employed who earn their wages on daily basis. Very few people in 
society have permanent job who can absorbe the shock of One day's 
"Bandha". Even professionals are paid on hourly  daily basis 
these days. They are not employed rather hired. Think about the 
people on street e. g. Auto Rikshaw Driver, Rikshaw Puller, 
Tea Vendor, Cigarette vendor etc, the list is endless. They 
have to go literally without any earning on the day of Bandha. They 
too have family members  dependents to feed. In fact in today's 
date we are struggling to survive. The age has come that we 
have to buy even water to drink. Can we justify 
Bandha considering these things? Yes we can! Let us go hungry on the 
day of Bandha. Let us not feed milk to our children  let us not 
carry any patient in the family to hospital because we would 
be observing Bandha. Let us make the Bandha successful by 
stopping all those daily chores. Believe me the Bandha will become 
successful. What I see that Bandha brings cheers to those who 
are privileged (those who have permanent employment)  
it brings dispair to those who are on street. The choice is

Re: [Assam] Sentinel News

C'da,
While Dr. Goswami probably has the best intentions in her heart,

How would we know ?

We don't. But since she is so embroiled in this, the 'public' ought question her motives/intentions (at the least).

Or, is questioning her intentions off limits? :)

How will the GOI be able to release those held in a different country? B'desh in this case.
That is a hard one Ram. I can make some suggestions, but on second thought, I better not open my mouth on this. Let us see if YOU can figure this one out on your own.

Its not really hard, C'da:

Let us see:

The GOI couldapply political pressure onB'desh. But how would the GOI explain that away, when one assumes that GOI applied pressure to capture these elements in the first place. Of course B'desh could have quit stalling and expatriate them back to India. India has been wanting that for sometime.

I am not prescient enough to foretell that. But even if they join that 'mainstream', would that be a good thing, ..

From the GOI's point of view - if THEY were to release someone that they think are anti-social, one of the preconditions would obviously be for those released to join the main stream. The GOI may be inefficient, but they do have enough brains to figure out that they really do not want this charade to be some sort of round-robin ie: release, capture, release, capture...

You really put me in a spot here Ram. How do you keep coming up with these
check-mates, just when I think I had your arguments on the ropes?

Heh! heh! heh! sorry about that. Not my intention.

But, you know I was intrigued: All this time we have been hearing on the net about all inefficiencies of the GOI, the injustice etc by many who would like to hold the GOI's feet to the fire (every time they drop the ball).

Now, suddenly, these same people would like the GOI to NOT follow the justice system, and free people who have committed murder and high crimes, give them a pass, so to speak. And a pass which really does not gurantee anything for the GOI. Its like saying, release them so that they can be free to rampage again.

Question is, why should the GOI throw jurisprudence out of the window (in the name of peace) because it is ULFA, but are supposed to follow rules for others? Why should the GOI bend over backwards in this particular case?Shouldn't murder and mayhem be treated as the crimes they are? Why special privileges for a select few gun totting individuals?

B: If setting up a kangaroo-commission is not selling well these days,
then how about a tribunal headed by a retd.( no, no--not retarded)
(in)justice with a name like Nopota ( or even Pota) Phukan, or
Xoitnarayon Xorma?

But that is the GOI way, right? Let us ignore them awhile.WHY should people like you and me (who would like everyone to uphold the law) fall into these vile schemes of the GOI. Why don't we demand justice (as we do for everyone else). Why capitulate just for this 'one time' and cheer for alleged murders?Where are our principles?

But, what do I know? Just thinking when we demand for equal justice etc, sometimes these things boomarang. :)

--Ram
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Re: [Assam] Bandh culture

Title: Re: [Assam] Bandh culture


The responsibility of
the news media is to publish news after it happens, not to publish
future would be probable news and createnews.


 Excuse me again! Really?

Gee, I learn something everyday. I am sure journalists worldwide
would re-orient their ethics guidelines now.

I don't think I need to massage this any more. A little
self-deliberation would hopefully, reveal the , um, problems in the
verdict.



 I still am confounded with the involvement of ULFA. Looking
forward to an explanation of that still.








At 10:31 AM -0500 8/21/05, Barua25 wrote:
Brother!
The
responsibility of the news media is to publish news after it happens,
not to publish future would be probable news and createnews. But
in case of Assam Bundhs that is what happens. Thus the
kharkhwa news media is not doing its duty and doing a great
disservice to the public in my opinion. Let the news mediasimply
publish the Bundh after it happens. They don't need to publicize the
proposed Time Table of a Bundh all over Assam to help ULFA or any
other org or the guaranteed salaried govt employeesto enjoy free
holidays. People of Assam in fact shouldtake a democratic
resolution to ban publication of such would be Bundh unless written
request is received from any party. Today any Nodai-Bhodai can call
the News office and announce a Bundh and litikai khar-khwa
hobo-diok news media publish the same, and then complain.
Let ULFA publish the news of their Bundhs. Why the media is trying to
help ULFA and the govt employees and then cry about these Bundh
Culture? One solution is to demolish all government run business
orgs and make these private so that there is no free cake. No work no
pay for everybody like the Ricksawallas. Brother, Assam Bundh will
stop and we don't have to blame the desi-demokresi, and people
of Assam will not have to cry and wipeboth ends. That my brother
I would call a well wisher proposal for the common hard working poor
people of Assam. Any support, brother?
Rajen Barua

- Original Message -
From: Chan
Mahanta
To: Barua25 ; sushil mishra ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; Ram Sarangapani ; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 9:12 AM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Bandh culture

Right on Brother ( pardon my 70s slogan)!

Surely the 'media', should not go bite the hand that
feeds. Isn't that desi-demokrasy all about?

But seriously, the role of the media is NOT to censor
news. It is to disseminate it.

Like Sushil Mishra explains, ONLY those with a guaranteed
salary, work or no work gain from 'bondhos' -- get free holidays. And
who are those? Take a wild guess!

And where do they come from? From the unaccountable ranks
of Indian style govt., with no law enforcement, no justice. Kind of
FREEDOM desi-demokrasy provides and so many of our righteous brethren
froth in the mouth promoting and preserving for Mother
India.













At 8:52 AM -0500 8/21/05, Barua25 wrote:
I
wrote about this before. One of the reasons for success of these Bundh
Culture in Assam is that the News Papers publish the announcements of
each and every proposed Bundhs by allorgs all over Assam. It
does not need a Rocket Scientist to figure out that any announced
Bundh by any party will not be very successful if the media do not
publicize about it. No org has the capability or the manpower to
affect a Bundh unless people and the police cooperate in the Bundh. So
it is a two way street. The question is why the media donot help Assam
and help themselves and decide not to publish any announcement of
proposed Bundh? Why media does not have the courage to do it? This is
what I call Assam like to cry with both ends; Complain for Bundhs on
one hand and announce, cooperateand help the Bundh on the
other.



Rajen
Barua





- Original Message
-

From: sushil mishra
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Ram Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005
1:08 AM

Subject: Re: [Assam] Bandh
culture


 Dear All
 Let us talk in today's context. Most of us are self
 employed who earn their wages on daily basis. Very few
 people in society have permanent job who can absorbe
 the shock of One day's Bandha. Even professionals
 are paid on hourly  daily basis these days. They are
 not employed rather hired. Think about the people on
 street e. g. Auto Rikshaw Driver, Rikshaw Puller, Tea
 Vendor, Cigarette vendor etc, the list is endless.
 They have to go literally without any earning on the
 day of Bandha. They too have family members 
 dependents to feed. In fact in today's date we are
 struggling to survive. The age has come that we have
 to buy even water to drink.

 Can we justify Bandha considering these things? Yes we
 can! Let us go hungry on the day of Bandha. Let us not
 feed milk to our children  let us not carry any
 patient in the family to hospital because we would be
 observing Bandha. Let us make the Bandha successful by
 stopping

Re: [Assam] Bandh culture

C'da,


But seriously, the role of the media is NOT to censor news. It is to disseminate it.

Which is true. The BIG if is that the media has to 'confirm' sources that it quotes. Normally what we hear is ' a spkesperson called in' about the bandh, and THAT is enough for the media to give wide publicity?


In fact, sitting here in the US, you can probably call for an Assam Bandh (because, say St. Louis doesn't have the same weather as the South West). All you have to do is call up our unsuspecting media and tell them that you have declared an Assam Bandh and that you are from the TKHEC (Tita-Kerela Hybrid Experimentation Center) - and you would have a near 100 % success.


Why? Because the media will not recheck the facts. This news from St. Louis is as good as any to fill the newsprint.

And the good people of Assam will thank you profusely because you gave them another holiday :)
--Ram

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Re: [Assam] Bandh culture


Ram:


Not that I am a defender of desi-media, assam-media or any media; but 
you and Rajen are making the most convoluted of arguments here.



The 'bondhos' are not the result of 'media-support' or coverage, 
before or after the fact. 'Bondhos' are a result of the absurdity 
that is Indian governance.



Those in the public services can get away with 'bondhos' for exactly 
the same reasons for which they can get away with coming late for 
work and leaving early, or for not doing any work, or for being 
absent without cause, or for demanding and accepting bribes.



Your and Rajen's arguments are exactly like the demand of some 
clueless Indians  for a RIGHT not to VOTE ( as if someone can come 
and pack you off to prison for NOT voting), so that they will not be 
forced to vote for tweedle-dum or tweedle-dee, or for one scoundrel 
vs. the other. The problem is the candidate selection /fielding 
system; the electoral system. That is what requires radical  reforms 
-- not a constitutional amendment to give the clueless the right not 
to vote.


Similarly the spouting of the 'bondho' culture is a result of a 
degenerated and utterly broken  Indian system of governance. Labor 
laws don't exist, if exist are unenforceable or not enforced. 
Employers can exploit workers, corporations steal the public blind, 
and street rowdies can hold the public hostage. There is no orderly 
system of conflict resolution that is either reliable, or timely or 
just.


Those are the areas where the problems are. They are what requires 
dramatic and radical reforms. But you know that reforms in India are 
NOT possible. So instead you guys are seeking redress by squelching 
the media.


How more convoluted can you get Ram?

c-da













At 10:53 AM -0500 8/21/05, Ram Sarangapani wrote:

C'da,

 But seriously, the role of the media is NOT to censor news. It is 
to disseminate it.


Which is true. The BIG if is that the media has to 'confirm' sources 
that it quotes. Normally what we hear is ' a spkesperson called in' 
about the bandh, and THAT is enough for the media to give wide 
publicity?


In fact, sitting here in the US, you can probably call for an Assam 
Bandh (because, say St. Louis doesn't have the same weather as the 
South West). All you have to do is call up our unsuspecting media 
and tell them that you have declared an Assam Bandh and that you are 
from the TKHEC (Tita-Kerela Hybrid Experimentation Center) - and you 
would have a near 100 % success.


Why? Because the media will not recheck the facts. This news from 
St. Louis is as good as any to fill the newsprint.


And the good people of Assam will thank you profusely because you 
gave them another holiday :)


--Ram


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[Assam] What?? Indian/Muslim Churidar compulsory! Ban on Dokhna ! others acquiescing!!

2005-08-21 Thread Bartta Bistar

Tension prevails over ban on Bodo dress

http://www.northeasttribune.com/4736.htm
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Kokrajhar, Aug 21: Tension run high in the Surupeta BHB College in Barpeta district following the college authority banning the entry of Bodo students wearing the traditional Bodo Dokhna dress in the college premises.
The Bodo students wearing the permitted colour Dokhna on Saturday were not allowed to enter in the college premises.
Tension started when the college authority introduced churidar or salwar kamij as the uniform for the girls students beginning this academic year which the Bodo students refused.
The college union bodies started boycotting the classes when the Bodo students refused to obey the dress code and continue attending the class wearing dokhna.
The Bodo students alleged that they were warned by the principal of expel from the college and of giving forceful transfer certificate if they do not come wearing churidar.
The college authority when contacted refutes the allegation saying the students were just requested to obey the order for peaceful atmosphere. There was no warning as such. It was just a request, the authority said.
Different Bodo organization including the influential All Bodo Students Union (ABSU), Bodo Sahitya Sabha (BSS) and All Bodo Women Welfare Federation (ABWWF) has expressed serious concern and anguish over the issue saying its humiliating that the Bodo girls students are not allowed to wear the traditional dress Dokhna even though they put the same colour the college authority has adopted.
In a press release the ABSU said in a state like Assam with diverse ethnic group colour should be the basis of uniform but not the dress.
The ABSU has nothing to say about the colour uniform but lawfully it would strongly oppose the senseless decision of the college authority for adopting the churidar as the only option for uniform dress, the release stated.
Churidar is not the dress of the Bodos and it cannot be the dress of Assamese people either, added ABSU secretary Goutam Mushahary.
We have got full right to preserve our own culture, custom, language and tradition as being the indigenous community. If we cannot have the right to protect and preserve our own culture in our own state then where lies the meaning of freedom and respect of indigenous tribal culture, the release stated.
The Bodo organizations has appealed the college authority to think consciously, carefully and farsightedly if they are really concern about Assam in particular and tribal culture in general.
The organization has also urged the Assamese intellectuals including the All Assam Students Union (AASU) and Assam Sahitya Sabha to come up with helping hands and give a meaningful thought for peaceful solution of the problem and for peaceful future of Assam.

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Re: [Assam] Bandh culture

Title: Re: [Assam] Bandh culture


Ram:

At 12:18 PM -0500 8/21/05, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
C'da

My question was 'just' about why the
media should NOT be absolved. You wanted to absole a media that does
not want to confirm sources on a regular basis.



 How do you know that? What are the grounds for making that
assertiuon or even assumption?

Why should the media be held responsible to judge what 'bondho'
is legitimate and deserving of publicity, and what is not? Where do
they get their authority or wisdom to judge that?




I did NOT say that the media was
responsible for the bandhs. But they DO have a role to
play.



 Yes, to disseminate the call for it as news or its results
and even to to express editorial opinions--but NOT to be the self
appointed or Rajen/Ram appointed censors.


They can hype it up based on
unconfirmed sources or make sure the information they get is CONFIRMED
before they give wide publicity. That is where they err.



 Freedom of information and speech INCLUDES the right to
HYPE, spin ,set forth convoluted arguments as in Assam net, tell
half-truths and even lies under certain circumstances. It is the
responsibility of the consumers of such information to be
discriminating. I cannot tell the Sentinel or the AT or the Statesman
to stop publicizing the propaganda or halftruths and MHA les against
Assam's interests, but I can and do exercise my judgements to believe
or not to believe them.





'Bondhos' are a result of the
absurdity that is Indian governance.

And what about the absurdity of the
people in following the calls for bundhs without
question?



 Believing is not the issue. Whether to comply with it IS.
And the reasons for complying with them ARE. For example, if I manage
to catch a bus to work but am stranded halfway for the rest of the
day, I may not want to take the risk. Or if you fear being manhandled
by ruffians, and knowing you cannot expect any assistance from
law-enforcement authorities, would you be wise to venture out?





There are some 'issues' which may require
a bandh.



 Why? Are there no avenue for orderly conflict resolution in
a civilized society? Or is it a unique Indian problem?





The issues should be something that
affects the whole state or atleast a large section.



 Your recommendations would be useful if the 'bondho' givers
made you the arv biter of what deserves to be one Ram :-). But
something tells me your argument is as arbitrary as one can
imagine.






The problem most people have is sometimes
large areas observe bandhs even for localized issues in some small
area. Those local issues often have solutions at the local level
itself.



 Go tell it to the judge.






If it is the absurdity of Indian
governance, then the question asked is: Does the Indian govt. have a
different set or rules of governance when dealing with Assam as
opposed to Karnataka or another state?



 That is a real good joke Ram :-), that Karnataka does not
have 'bandhs', that it is merely a unique Assamese disability.

Look up:
http://www.hindu.com/2004/08/28/stories/2004082808190300.htm
and tell us if the Judge made his comments because of ONE 'bandh'
that somehow crept into Karnataka.

Also, I did not say that India made up bad rules for Assam. That
is your predisposition to make such charges. The fact is that the
institutions of governance in India are UNABLE to respond to the need
for orderly, timely and just conflict resolution --- thruout the land
where those rule.

c-da








Is that the reason that Assam has way too
many bandhs while a state like Karnataka has virtually
none?

--Ram







On 8/21/05, Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Ram:


Not that I am a defender of desi-media, assam-media or any media;
but
you and Rajen are making the most convoluted of arguments here.


The 'bondhos' are not the result of 'media-support' or coverage,
before or after the fact. 'Bondhos' are a result of the
absurdity
that is Indian governance.


Those in the public services can get away with 'bondhos' for
exactly
the same reasons for which they can get away with coming late for
work and leaving early, or for not doing any work, or for being
absent without cause, or for demanding and accepting bribes.


Your and Rajen's arguments are exactly like the demand of some
clueless Indiansfor a RIGHT not to VOTE ( as if someone
can come
and pack you off to prison for NOT voting), so that they will not
be
forced to vote for tweedle-dum or tweedle-dee, or for one
scoundrel
vs. the other. The problem is the candidate selection /fielding
system; the electoral system. That is what requires
radicalreforms
-- not a constitutional amendment to give the clueless the right
not
to vote.

Similarly the spouting of the 'bondho' culture is a result of a
degenerated and utterly brokenIndian system of governance.
Labor
laws don't exist, if exist are unenforceable or not enforced.
Employers can exploit workers, corporations steal the public
blind

Re: [Assam] Bandh culture




 The 'bondhos' are not the result of 
'media-support' or coverage,  before or after the fact. 'Bondhos' are a 
result of the absurdity  that is Indian governance

Ah-ha!! 
Axiom # 1: The essenceof the 
Bundh Culture in Assam: is the Absurdity of Indian governance in 
Assam.
Hei GOI you cannot rule here. Your rule 
simply brings theBundh Culture in Assam. We all, ULFA, Govt Employees and 
Media, all Assamese, we are all together united here in supporting the 
Bundh culture. You don't have a chance. This is not Gujarat, this is Assam, Oxom 
(unequal). Remember, the Moghols could not win Assam even after attacking 17 
times. You better call it quit. If you don't quit the Bundh Culture will 
continue. We are Assamese here.
Ah-ha!!

Rajen




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From: "Chan Mahanta" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: "Ram Sarangapani" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: "Barua25" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; "sushil 
mishra" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]; 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]; 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 11:24 AM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Bandh 
culture
 Ram:   Not that I am a defender of 
desi-media, assam-media or any media; but  you and Rajen are making the 
most convoluted of arguments here.   The 'bondhos' are 
not the result of 'media-support' or coverage,  before or after the 
fact. 'Bondhos' are a result of the absurdity  that is Indian 
governance.   Those in the public services can get away 
with 'bondhos' for exactly  the same reasons for which they can get away 
with coming late for  work and leaving early, or for not doing any work, 
or for being  absent without cause, or for demanding and accepting 
bribes.   Your and Rajen's arguments are exactly like 
the demand of some  clueless Indians for a RIGHT not to VOTE ( as 
if someone can come  and pack you off to prison for NOT voting), so that 
they will not be  forced to vote for tweedle-dum or tweedle-dee, or for 
one scoundrel  vs. the other. The problem is the candidate selection 
/fielding  system; the electoral system. That is what requires 
radical reforms  -- not a constitutional amendment to give the 
clueless the right not  to vote.  Similarly the spouting 
of the 'bondho' culture is a result of a  degenerated and utterly 
broken Indian system of governance. Labor  laws don't exist, if 
exist are unenforceable or not enforced.  Employers can exploit workers, 
corporations steal the public blind,  and street rowdies can hold the 
public hostage. There is no orderly  system of conflict resolution that 
is either reliable, or timely or  just.  Those are the 
areas where the problems are. They are what requires  dramatic and 
radical reforms. But you know that reforms in India are  NOT possible. 
So instead you guys are seeking redress by squelching  the 
media.  How more convoluted can you get Ram?  
c-da
  At 10:53 AM -0500 8/21/05, 
Ram Sarangapani wrote: C'da,   But 
seriously, the role of the media is NOT to censor news. It is  to 
disseminate it.  Which is true. The BIG if is that the 
media has to 'confirm' sources  that it quotes. Normally what we 
hear is ' a spkesperson called in'  about the bandh, and THAT is 
enough for the media to give wide  publicity?  
In fact, sitting here in the US, you can probably call for an Assam  
Bandh (because, say St. Louis doesn't have the same weather as the  
South West). All you have to do is call up our unsuspecting media  
and tell them that you have declared an Assam Bandh and that you are 
 from the TKHEC (Tita-Kerela Hybrid Experimentation Center) - and 
you  would have a near 100 % success.  Why? 
Because the media will not recheck the facts. This news from  St. 
Louis is as good as any to fill the newsprint.  And the 
good people of Assam will thank you profusely because you  gave them 
another holiday :)  --Ram  

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Re: [Assam] Bandh culture

C'da

How do you know that? What are the grounds for making that assertiuon or even assumption?

Because the newspapers themselves say that 'someone from xyz org. telephoned'. Then one obviously assume that either they don't reallybother confirming such info or just cannot for some reason.

Why should the media be held responsible to judge what 'bondho' is legitimate and deserving of publicity, and what is not? Where do they get their authority or wisdom to judge that?

I did NOT say the media would have to make that judgement. But at the very least they should verify the info and then decide if the 'bandh notice' is newsworthy? The way the media prints each and every bandh notice, it must mean that the mediaconsiders them all newsworthy and also giving a lot of importance to such calls.

opinions--but NOT to be the self appointed or Rajen/Ram appointed censors.

Don't they have their own standards to judge if publicity ought to be given to mundane calls for bandhs? Who says anything about censorship?

Your recommendations would be useful if the 'bondho' givers made you the arv biter of what deserves to be one Ram :-).

As is obvious, no bondho giver is asking my opinion, (and nor should they), but unfortunately, they are not asking the opinion of the intelligensia in Assam or the people either.

That is a real good joke Ram :-), that Karnataka does not have 'bandhs', that it is merely a unique Assamese disability.

Thanks, I did look up the item. The Judge was right. But reading from the item, it does seem that it was a particular, local case of strikes by film producers. The financial loss of Rs. 20 crores was a huge one, but the WHOLE state wasn't paralyzed in that one instance.

Yes, there are bandhs all over the country. Bad as they are, most are like strikes (banks, or mills).
Most such strikes in Mumbai, would close down an area or locality not the entire city.

But it is extremely rare where the whole of Maharastra or Karnataka is completely shut down today.

Unfortunately, closure of the whole state is the norm during bandhs in Assam. In addition to that, banks in Assam will also join All-India calls for bank closures, or some strike by say Indian airlines.

When was the last time you or anyone else heard of a total Maharastra bandh or a Karnataka bandh? And when was the last you heard that from Assam? Without going into the legitimacy of bandhs and strikes, you (and others) will find that Assam has captured that market by a long shot.

Once we have that nailed down, we could discuss whether or not such calls are justifiable or necessary.

--Ram
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Re: [Assam] Bandh culture

Title: Re: [Assam] Bandh culture


At 1:24 PM -0500 8/21/05, Barua25 wrote:
 The
'bondhos' are not the result of 'media-support' or coverage,
 before or after the fact. 'Bondhos' are a result of the
absurdity
 that is Indian governance

Ah-ha!!
Axiom # 1: The essenceof the Bundh Culture
in Assam: is the Absurdity of Indian governance in
Assam.
Hei
GOI you cannot rule here. Your rule simply brings theBundh
Culture in Assam. We all, ULFA, Govt Employees and Media, all
Assamese, we are all together united here in supporting the
Bundh culture. You don't have a chance. This is not Gujarat, this is
Assam, Oxom (unequal). Remember, the Moghols could not win Assam even
after attacking 17 times. You better call it quit. If you don't quit
the Bundh Culture will continue. We are Assamese
here.
Ah-ha!!

Rajen



Hmmm! That is an astute set of obsewrvations :-).















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Original Message -
From:
Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To:
Ram Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc:
Barua25 [EMAIL PROTECTED]; sushil mishra [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent:
Sunday, August 21, 2005 11:24 AM
Subject: Re:
[Assam] Bandh culture


Ram:


 Not that I am a defender of desi-media, assam-media or any media;
but
 you and Rajen are making the most convoluted of arguments
here.


 The 'bondhos' are not the result of 'media-support' or
coverage,
 before or after the fact. 'Bondhos' are a result of the
absurdity
 that is Indian governance.


 Those in the public services can get away with 'bondhos' for
exactly
 the same reasons for which they can get away with coming late
for
 work and leaving early, or for not doing any work, or for
being
 absent without cause, or for demanding and accepting bribes.


 Your and Rajen's arguments are exactly like the demand of
some
 clueless Indians for a RIGHT not to VOTE ( as if someone
can come
 and pack you off to prison for NOT voting), so that they will not
be
 forced to vote for tweedle-dum or tweedle-dee, or for one
scoundrel
 vs. the other. The problem is the candidate selection
/fielding
 system; the electoral system. That is what requires radical
reforms
 -- not a constitutional amendment to give the clueless the right
not
 to vote.

 Similarly the spouting of the 'bondho' culture is a result of
a
 degenerated and utterly broken Indian system of governance.
Labor
 laws don't exist, if exist are unenforceable or not enforced.
 Employers can exploit workers, corporations steal the public
blind,
 and street rowdies can hold the public hostage. There is no
orderly
 system of conflict resolution that is either reliable, or timely
or
 just.

 Those are the areas where the problems are. They are what
requires
 dramatic and radical reforms. But you know that reforms in India
are
 NOT possible. So instead you guys are seeking redress by
squelching
 the media.

 How more convoluted can you get Ram?

 c-da













 At 10:53 AM -0500 8/21/05, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
 C'da,
 
  But seriously, the role of the media is NOT to
censor news. It is
 to disseminate it.
 
 Which is true. The BIG if is that the media has to 'confirm'
sources
 that it quotes. Normally what we hear is ' a spkesperson
called in'
 about the bandh, and THAT is enough for the media to give
wide
 publicity?
 
 In fact, sitting here in the US, you can probably call for an
Assam
 Bandh (because, say St. Louis doesn't have the same weather
as the
 South West). All you have to do is call up our unsuspecting
media
 and
tell them that you have declared an Assam Bandh and that you are
 from the TKHEC (Tita-Kerela Hybrid Experimentation Center) -
and you
 would have a near 100 % success.
 
 Why? Because the media will not recheck the facts. This news
from
 St. Louis is as good as any to fill the newsprint.
 
 And the good people of Assam will thank you profusely because
you
 gave them another holiday :)
 
 --Ram
 



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[Assam] The Bandh-ers

Title: The Bandh-ers


Ram:

When was the last time you or anyone else heard of a total
Maharastra bandh or a Karnataka bandh?


Take a look below.

And I hope you won't suggest to us that these are rare isolated
phenomena.

c-da





http://www.tribuneindia.com/2004/20040113/edit.htm


THE Bombay High Court's direction to the Maharashtra government
to file an affidavit by February 4 in response to a bunch of petitions
asking the Shiv Sena and the Bharatiya Janata Party to pay Rs 50 crore
for losses suffered by citizens due to the bandh organised by them in
Mumbai in July last year is significant. The petitioners are men of
high stature and public standing. They include former Union Cabinet
Secretary B.G. Deshmukh and former Mumbai Police Commissioner Julio
Ribeiro. In their petitions, they not only called for the arrest of
the political leaders responsible for calling the bandh but also urged
the court to direct the two political parties to create a fund named
"Bandh Damage Fund" with a corpus of Rs 50 crore to be disbursed to
the claimants who suffered losses.

It is debatable whether the idea of creating a "Bandh Damage
Fund" is ideal, but there is no denying the fact that almost all
political parties have been organising bandhs at the drop of a hat
with little concern for public safety and the hardship these would
cause to the people. Worse, mischievous elements enter the scene,
indulge in arson and looting, and give a bad name to the parties. Far
more disturbing are state-sponsored bandhs directly or indirectly. In
Kerala and West Bengal, political parties and trade unions organise
bandhs now and then and take people for a ride. The competition
between the Karnataka and Tamil Nadu governments in organising bandhs
on the Cauvery issue is well known.

It remains to be seen how the Bombay High Court will deal with the
petitions. But keeping in view the propensity of political parties to
organise bandhs for gaining political mileage, there is a need to
check their conduct and make them accountable for the losses caused in
the process. The responsibility is even greater if the state
government itself sponsors a bandh. How can the protector become the
offender? In November 1997, the Supreme Court had upheld a Full Bench
judgement of the Kerala High Court that declared the calling of a
bandh by any association, organisation or political party as illegal
and unconstitutional. The apex court's ruling is crystal-clear on
the issue.


Also see:


http://in.rediff.com/news/2002/oct/17nad.htm











At 2:20 PM -0500 8/21/05, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
C'da

 How do you know that? What are
the grounds for making that assertiuon or even
assumption?

Because the newspapers themselves say
that 'someone from xyz org. telephoned'. Then one obviously
assume that either they don't reallybother confirming such info
or just cannot for some reason.

Why should the media be held
responsible to judge what 'bondho' is legitimate and deserving of
publicity, and what is not? Where do they get their authority or
wisdom to judge that?

I did NOT say the media would have to
make that judgement. But at the very least they should verify the info
and then decide if the 'bandh notice' is newsworthy? The way the
media prints each and every bandh notice, it must mean that the
mediaconsiders them all newsworthy and also giving a lot of
importance to such calls.

opinions--but NOT to be the self
appointed or Rajen/Ram appointed censors.

Don't they have their own standards to
judge if publicity ought to be given to mundane calls for bandhs? Who
says anything about censorship?

 Your recommendations would be
useful if the 'bondho' givers made you the arv biter of what
deserves to be one Ram :-).

As is obvious, no bondho giver is asking
my opinion, (and nor should they), but unfortunately, they are not
asking the opinion of the intelligensia in Assam or the people
either.

 That is a real good joke Ram
:-), that Karnataka does not have 'bandhs', that it is merely a
unique Assamese disability.

Thanks, I did look up the item. The Judge
was right. But reading from the item, it does seem that it was a
particular, local case of strikes by film producers. The financial
loss of Rs. 20 crores was a huge one, but the WHOLE state wasn't
paralyzed in that one instance.

Yes, there are bandhs all over the
country. Bad as they are, most are like strikes (banks, or
mills).
Most such strikes in Mumbai, would close
down an area or locality not the entire city.

But it is extremely rare where the whole
of Maharastra or Karnataka is completely shut down today.

Unfortunately, closure of the whole state
is the norm during bandhs in Assam. In addition to that, banks in
Assam will also join All-India calls for bank closures, or some
strike by say Indian airlines.

When was the last time you or anyone else
heard of a total Maharastra bandh or a Karnataka bandh? And when was
the last you heard that from Assam? Without going

Re: [Assam] Bandh culture


At 2:20 PM -0500 8/21/05, Ram Sarangapani wrote:

C'da

  How do you know that? What are the grounds for making that 
assertiuon or even assumption?


Because the newspapers themselves say that 'someone from xyz org. 
telephoned'.  Then one obviously assume that either they don't 
really bother confirming such info or just cannot for some reason.



 That is your conclusion without any substantiation. How do you 
know they don't ? And what if they call and it is confirmed by the 
'bondho-bebosthapoks' say, hoy-diyok, aan mi bonfho disw'. Then what? 
And if they print unconfirmed news of a 'bondho', does that mean, one 
will happen based on one paper's account in a field of hundred's?


Is that where the problem lies? Bondhos happening on false or 
exaggerated claims of 'bondhos'?


This whole thing is completely beside the point Ram.












 Why should the media be held responsible to judge what 'bondho' is 
legitimate and deserving of publicity, and what is not? Where do 
they get their authority or wisdom to judge that?


I did NOT say the media would have to make that judgement. But at 
the very least they should verify the info and then decide if the 
'bandh notice' is newsworthy?  The way the media prints each and 
every bandh notice, it must mean that the media considers them all 
newsworthy and also giving a lot of importance to such calls.


 opinions--but NOT to be the self appointed or Rajen/Ram appointed censors.

Don't they have their own standards to judge if publicity ought to 
be given to mundane calls for bandhs? Who says anything about 
censorship?


  Your recommendations would be useful if the 'bondho' givers 
made you the arv biter of what deserves to be one Ram :-).










As is obvious, no bondho giver is asking my opinion, (and nor should 
they), but unfortunately, they are not asking the  opinion of the 
intelligensia in Assam or the people either.



* Yes they are, by asking them to stay away from work. If the 
intelligentsia and/or the hordes of the ignoramus do not respect the 
call then it won't work, would it?



But you did not  go into WHY people MIGHT  pay heed to the call for a 'bondho'
as I explained below. What about that? That is the KEY isn't it?

( Believing is not the issue. Whether to comply with it IS. And 
the reasons for complying with them ARE. For example, if I manage to 
catch a bus to work but am stranded halfway for the rest of the day, 
I may not want to take the risk. Or if you fear being manhandled by 
ruffians, and knowing you cannot expect any assistance from 
law-enforcement authorities, would you be wise to venture out?)



Without going into the legitimacy of bandhs and strikes, you (and 
others) will find that Assam has captured that market by a long 
shot.



 Fair enough. I will give you the benefit of the doubt.
But if that is true what do you surmise from it? What lesson do you glean?
What seems to the matter with the Assamese? Tell us, and we will examine that.

c-da










  That is a real good joke Ram :-), that Karnataka does not 
have 'bandhs', that it is merely a unique Assamese disability.


Thanks, I did look up the item. The Judge was right. But reading 
from the item, it does seem that it was a particular, local case of 
strikes by film producers. The financial loss of Rs. 20 crores was a 
huge one, but the WHOLE state wasn't paralyzed in that one instance.


Yes, there are bandhs all over the country. Bad as they are, most 
are like strikes (banks, or mills).
Most such strikes in Mumbai, would close down an area or locality 
not the entire city.


But it is extremely rare where the whole of Maharastra or Karnataka 
is completely shut down today.


Unfortunately, closure of the whole state is the norm during bandhs 
in Assam. In addition to that, banks in Assam will also join 
All-India calls for bank closures, or  some strike by say Indian 
airlines.


When was the last time you or anyone else heard of a total 
Maharastra bandh or a Karnataka bandh? And when was the last you 
heard that from Assam? Without going into the legitimacy of bandhs 
and strikes, you (and others) will find that Assam has captured that 
market by a long shot.


Once we have that nailed down, we could discuss whether or not such 
calls are justifiable or necessary.


--Ram

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RE: [Assam] What?? Indian/Muslim Churidar compulsory! Ban on Dokhna ! othersacquiescing!!

2005-08-21 Thread Alpana B. Sarangapani

Yes, this is ridiculous - prohibiting the bodostudents from preserving their own culture and tradition. It is strange that the student union bodies also went against these students. 
It is strange that Churidar is compulsory and dokhna is prohibited. 
We would have been in trouble in our own home-town, if this was the rule in our school.In many families,we, theyoung girlswere not allowed to wear 'suridar' or 'salowar-kamij' when we were young - we went intowearing 'mekhela-saador' or 'sari' straight from wearing frocks.
This one is for you, C'da: When will they start honoring the basic rights of peoplein India?



From: "Bartta Bistar" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [Assam] What?? Indian/Muslim Churidar compulsory! Ban on Dokhna !  othersacquiescing!!Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 17:44:19 +



Tension prevails over ban on Bodo dress  

http://www.northeasttribune.com/4736.htm
NET News Network 
Kokrajhar, Aug 21: Tension run high in the Surupeta BHB College in Barpeta district following the college authority banning the entry of Bodo students wearing the traditional Bodo Dokhna dress in the college premises. 
The Bodo students wearing the permitted colour Dokhna on Saturday were not allowed to enter in the college premises. 
Tension started when the college authority introduced churidar or salwar kamij as the uniform for the girls students beginning this academic year which the Bodo students refused.  
The college union bodies started boycotting the classes when the Bodo students refused to obey the dress code and continue attending the class wearing dokhna. 
The Bodo students alleged that they were warned by the principal of expel from the college and of giving forceful transfer certificate if they do not come wearing churidar. 
The college authority when contacted refutes the allegation saying the students were just requested to obey the order for peaceful atmosphere. There was no warning as such. It was just a request, the authority said.  
Different Bodo organization including the influential All Bodo Students Union (ABSU), Bodo Sahitya Sabha (BSS) and All Bodo Women Welfare Federation (ABWWF) has expressed serious concern and anguish over the issue saying its humiliating that the Bodo girls students are not allowed to wear the traditional dress Dokhna even though they put the same colour the college authority has adopted. 
In a press release the ABSU said in a state like Assam with diverse ethnic group colour should be the basis of uniform but not the dress.  
The ABSU has nothing to say about the colour uniform but lawfully it would strongly oppose the senseless decision of the college authority for adopting the churidar as the only option for uniform dress, the release stated. 
Churidar is not the dress of the Bodos and it cannot be the dress of Assamese people either, added ABSU secretary Goutam Mushahary.  
We have got full right to preserve our own culture, custom, language and tradition as being the indigenous community. If we cannot have the right to protect and preserve our own culture in our own state then where lies the meaning of freedom and respect of indigenous tribal culture, the release stated.  
The Bodo organizations has appealed the college authority to think consciously, carefully and farsightedly if they are really concern about Assam in particular and tribal culture in general. 
The organization has also urged the Assamese intellectuals including the All Assam Students Union (AASU) and Assam Sahitya Sabha to come up with helping hands and give a meaningful thought for peaceful solution of the problem and for peaceful future of Assam.



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RE: [Assam] Hi Group.............

2005-08-21 Thread umesh sharma

My friend ,

you are under great delusion if you think India is going to break up. Perhaps you have been in the jungle too long .

Umeshmc mahant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If you love your place and want to see your 2.6--2.8 Crore brothers and sisters busy as equal humans in a equal world order, the Assamese have to have total say in their governance and not by what Nehru's Lawyers wrote in their Constitution of '50.It's a pity that lots of Assamese have degrees but alas No Education. Why should ULFA alone revolt?Keep thinking and talking.Take time asking 'Is India heading Somewhere?'What if India broke up without bloodshed - USSR Style? Who will gain and who lose?mmFrom: umesh sharma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: bhriti choudhury <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, mc mahant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [Assam] Hi Group.Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 19:31:18 +0100 (BST)a f!
rank
statement!Umeshbhriti choudhury <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:Hi Mike,I am writing this mail with the reference to the mail you sent. Actually i'm not at all agree with your view that we need to join ULFA to save Assam. I think now a days ULFA has become a bunch of jokers, which are being controlled by some forigen nations. At one point of time i was also a big fan of ULFA n their idologies. But now they have lost their goal completely. Now it has become the institution of some bekar jobless youth. They are only there for the sake of money and nothing else. They dont even know the meaning of "Swadhinota". I dont think by killing some people you'll be able to get the independence.I know there are many problems we the people of Assam are facing. But by killing some innocent people we won't be able to solve the problem. There sho!
uld be
some proper talks between the Central Govt. and ULFA to solve the whole problem. The BLT people has set an example before us. Atleast they have got some aid from the Central Govt. and job for their people. I guess "amuthi manuhe biplab jiyai rakhibo noware". And if you get a survey done on the support ULFA getting from the people of Assam, I guess you won't find more than 20% people supports them.Well I'm not trying to be judgemental, Its the way what i feel. Coz i also love my place n people very much. Hope you won't mind. Hope to see your reply soon.ByeBhritimc mahant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:Join Ulfa,Save Assam.Save Yourself.Save Indiaby becoming Truly IndependantSave the WorldYou are wasting your time at Harvard.Apply now on the Internet--all of you doubting Thomases.!
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[Assam] NYTimes.com: Politicized Scholars Put Evolution on the Defensive

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RE: [Assam] Boga Baduli and BPO Boom--Part 1

2005-08-21 Thread Alpana B. Sarangapani

What is a BPO?



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [Assam] "Boga Baduli" and BPO Boom--Part 1Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 04:38:54 +0530

Hi Everybody, 
My association with this group isnt very old. It started 2 and half years back when my previous company sent a group of 30 people to Texas for training. And the plethora of information given by this group helped the entire group tremendously. After that I have been a sporadic visitor of this group.
The other day I was reading the Prime Ministers speech in Oxford where he mentioned about the most important British legacy, the English language and about their modern school systems. http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/nic/0046/pmspeech.htm. A Times of India columnist once wrote that its only for the Tamil crusaders that English stayed in India despite the onslaught of Hindi Imperialism that started right after Independence. Hence all the kudos for the Indian BPO success should go to the Tamilians !
Another article that re-shaped my thinking process was the one I read (rather my mother read it aloud to me and my sister) in Prantik (an Assmese magazine) almost 16/17 years back, where a well settled NRA called the Assamese families who sent their kids to English medium schools as boga baduli (white bat) which is a bizarre epiphany. (Though I am not very certain about the writers name, the Prantik edition with that article still could be found in my book shelf back home provided my mother hasnt sold those old copies) This was said having found by the NRA writer that certain English medium educated Guwahati kids spoke worse Assamese than his own USA born and brought up kids. The article highly influenced my mother who is a teacher in a school named after the great martyr of baxa andulon Anil Bora. Once 
mother also told us how the Assamese had to fight to have Assamese as the official language of the state. The memory of that cataclysmic event was still fresh among the elders then. It was our father who put all our three kids in that English medium school in our town which was another legacy left by the colonial Brits and he expected us to imbibe some of their qualities like discipline, time management etc and definitely to learn English better. The following year my mother re-enrolled all her three kids in local vernacular school. While my siblings continued, I was not able to cope up with the difference, not for a single day and went back to my alma mater the very next day. However through out my student life I made sure I am equally proficient in Oxomiya like my siblings and many a times outdid them
Years later when I was in Delhi pursuing my post- graduation, the BPO boom started first in Delhi. Though I was over qualified for those jobs, I thought of joining the bandwagon rather going back home and being jobless like my batch mates. Another reason for choosing the BPO was to avoid jostling with the rowdy and vulgar north Indian crowd. All BPOs have their private cabs for employees.Last month I completed my 4th year in BPO.
This Group would be surprised to know that BPO is the one of the best thing that has happened to India. No Industry can offer anything better to thousands of mediocre like us and I am sure the industry will stay here for ever. And parents who opt for English medium schools are not necessarily boga baduli. All that matters is the attitude the parents groom in their kids towards ones culture and language Never for a moment can I convince myself that with my family background I could have managed with vernacular education whatever I have achieved so far. My personal experience says the number of English speaking people/youth is quite less in Assam when compared to some other Indian states. A few BPOs in our state would have tackled the abysmal employment problem to certain extent. In other indian cities the BPO success has ushered in the birth of 
dozens of english training center along with special voice and accent courses, american accent being the first in demand.
I would also like to share my advantages/disadvangtages as a native Assamese speaker in BPO industry in another mail. 
Swapnali Saikia Bangalore India 
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Re: [Assam] For Gardeners

2005-08-21 Thread Anjan K. Nath


Dear Chandan,
Glad to read the deviation from all that has been going on on the NET for 
the past couple of months.  Congrats!


You know, when I was in Nagaland I got used to the small variety of 
kerala -- they were small and a single bite-size.  It was common to see a 
bowl of boiled kerala on the table in a Naga family meal and diners taking a 
bite of boiled kerala after a mouthful of rice like one takes a bite of 
green chilli.  I kind of got used to this practice for a while and actually 
love it till this day.


Now, in Taiwan, the keralas are about a foot (30 to 40 cms)or more in length 
and about 4 to 8 cms diameter at the middle.  These are the green bitter 
variety.  Then there are the not so bitter variety which are almost white 
which are around 20 cms in length and about 8 cms in diameter.  Makes 
wonderful soup along with pork bones and shitake mushrooms.


If you are in for more experimentation, let me know and I'll mail you some 
seeds.  I guess the Taiwan varieties are already hybrids of sorts as most of 
their vegetables and fruits.


Anjan
- Original Message - 
From: Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 1:33 AM
Subject: [Assam] For Gardeners



Raiz:


I am a part-time khetiyok ( gardener), among other things :-).

I am pleased to announce that I created a hybrid tita kerela, by cross 
breeding a variety of semi-wild kerela that I collected seeds of from a 
vine from the highlands of Jamaica in 2003 with the long Assamese variety. 
This Jamaican variety kerela ( momordica--bitter gourd) fruit is really 
tiny, about 1 in diameter and about 2 to 2.5 long, with dainty ( about 
3 diameter) leaves. The fruits are so small that they are not useful for 
eating.  The seeds are black, about 1/4 long X 1/8 wide. I was told by 
someone that it is seen in Florida also, growing wild.


Just out of curiosity, I pollinated an Assamese kerela female flower with 
a male Jamaican pollen, and vice versa. One did not work, but the other 
did; except I was not careful about recording which hybrid fruited, and 
don't know the exact mix.


Anyway, I grew a new hybrid plant this spring from the harvested seeds. At 
first, the resulting plant did not indicate any conspicuous 
characteristic. But soon I began to notice that it is an amazingly 
prolific plant, growing like crazy. You can almost see it growing :-). 
Soon a very robust and wildly growing vine took over the trellis and 
spread all over nearby ground, tomato plants and and overhead trellis that 
I built for 'laos' ( gourds) producing lots and lots of mid-sized ( 1.5 
dia X 3 to 4 long), pale green ( more white than green) hybrid fruits. 
In fact we have so many fruits, I stopped picking them, and they are 
ripening and cracking up like blood red flowers with yellow petals.


The taste is not extremely bitter, like some of our Assamese little kerela 
varieties. You can say it is of medium bitterness.


My guess is that it MIGHT become a good garden vegetable for amateur urban 
gardeners as well as rural khetiyoks in Assam, because the plant is so 
robust and prolific. It can also become a beautiful screening/landscaping 
plant at verandas as well as against ugly , blank compound walls, because 
it grows so fast. The flowers are mildly fragrant,like all kerela plants. 
But since there are so many flowers, the pleasant aroma could be smelled 
from a slight distance. That makes me think, it could be a fine urban 
landscape plant in warm humid areas.


If anyone wants seeds to try let me know. I will be pleased to share some.

Iti bineet,

sondon kerela-seed mohonto :-)
( With apologies to Johnny Appleseed)
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RE: [Assam] What?? Indian/Muslim Churidar compulsory! Ban on Dokhna ! othersacquiescing!!

Title: RE: [Assam] What?? Indian/Muslim Churidar
compulsory! Ban


Hi A:


I don't have an answer for you. But I saw the news, and I am sure
there will be more on this :-).

c-da





At 3:59 PM -0500 8/21/05, Alpana B. Sarangapani wrote:
Yes, this is ridiculous - prohibiting the
bodostudents from preserving their own culture and tradition. It
is strange that the student union bodies also went against these
students.

It is strange that Churidar is compulsory
and dokhna is prohibited.

We would have been in trouble in our own
home-town, if this was the rule in our school.In many
families,we, theyoung girlswere not allowed to wear
'suridar' or 'salowar-kamij' when we were young - we went
intowearing 'mekhela-saador' or 'sari' straight from wearing
frocks.

This one is for you, C'da: When will they
start honoring the basic rights of peoplein India?




From: Bartta Bistar
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Assam] What?? Indian/Muslim Churidar compulsory! Ban on
Dokhna !  othersacquiescing!!
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 17:44:19 +

Tension prevails over ban
on Bodo dress 





http://www.northeasttribune.com/4736.htm


NET News Network


Kokrajhar, Aug 21: Tension run high in the Surupeta BHB
College in Barpeta district following the college authority banning
the entry of Bodo students wearing the traditional Bodo Dokhna
dress in the college premises.


The Bodo students wearing the permitted colour Dokhna on
Saturday were not allowed to enter in the college premises.


Tension started when the college authority introduced
churidar or salwar kamij as the uniform for the girls
students beginning this academic year which the Bodo students
refused.


The college union bodies started boycotting the classes
when the Bodo students refused to obey the dress code and continue
attending the class wearing dokhna.


The Bodo students alleged that they were warned by the
principal of expel from the college and of giving forceful transfer
certificate if they do not come wearing churidar.


The college authority when contacted refutes the
allegation saying the students were just requested to obey the order
for peaceful atmosphere. There was no warning as such. It was just
a request, the authority said.


Different Bodo organization including the influential All
Bodo Students Union (ABSU), Bodo Sahitya Sabha (BSS) and All Bodo
Women Welfare Federation (ABWWF) has expressed serious concern and
anguish over the issue saying its humiliating that the Bodo girls
students are not allowed to wear the traditional dress Dokhna even
though they put the same colour the college authority has adopted.


In a press release the ABSU said in a state like Assam
with diverse ethnic group colour should be the basis of uniform but
not the dress.


The ABSU has nothing to say about the colour uniform
but lawfully it would strongly oppose the senseless decision of the
college authority for adopting the churidar as the only option for
uniform dress, the release stated.


Churidar is not the dress of the Bodos and it cannot be
the dress of Assamese people either, added ABSU secretary Goutam
Mushahary.


We have got full right to preserve our own culture,
custom, language and tradition as being the indigenous community. If
we cannot have the right to protect and preserve our own culture in
our own state then where lies the meaning of freedom and respect of
indigenous tribal culture, the release stated.


The Bodo organizations has appealed the college authority
to think consciously, carefully and farsightedly if they are really
concern about Assam in particular and tribal culture in general.


The organization has also urged the Assamese intellectuals
including the All Assam Students Union (AASU) and Assam Sahitya
Sabha to come up with helping hands and give a meaningful thought for
peaceful solution of the problem and for peaceful future of
Assam.








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Re: [Assam] Boga Baduli and BPO Boom--Part 1

Title: Re: [Assam] Boga Baduli and BPO
Boom--Part 1

Very well said Swapnali.

Good luck to you.

At 4:38 AM +0530 8/22/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
content-class:
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Hi
Everybody,

My
association with this group isn't very old. It started 2 and half
years back when my previous company sent a group of 30 people to Texas
for training. And the plethora of information given by this group
helped the entire group tremendously. After that I have been a
sporadic visitor of this group.

The other
day I was reading the Prime Minister's speech in Oxford where he
mentioned about the most important British legacy, the English
language and about their modern school systems. http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/nic/0046/pmspeech.htm. A Times of
India columnist once wrote that it's only for the Tamil crusaders
that English stayed in India despite the onslaught of Hindi
Imperialism that started right after Independence. Hence all the kudos
for the Indian BPO success should go to the Tamilians !

Another
article that re-shaped my thinking process was the one I read
(rather my mother read it aloud to me and my sister) in Prantik
(an Assmese magazine) almost 16/17 years back, where a well
settled NRA called the Assamese families who sent their kids to
English medium schools as "boga baduli" (white bat) which is a
bizarre epiphany. (Though I am not very certain about the writer's
name, the "Prantik" edition with that article still could be
found in my book shelf back home provided my mother hasn't sold
those old copies) This was said having found by the NRA writer
that certain English medium educated Guwahati kids spoke worse
Assamese than his own USA born and brought up kids. The article highly
influenced my mother who is a teacher in a school named after the
great martyr of "baxa andulon" Anil Bora. Once mother
also told us how the Assamese had to fight to have Assamese as the
official language of the state. The memory of that cataclysmic event
was still fresh among the elders then. It was our father who put all
our three kids in that English medium school in our town which
was another legacy left by the colonial Brits and he expected us
to imbibe some of their qualities like discipline, time
management etc and definitely to learn English better. The following
year my mother re-enrolled all her three kids in local vernacular
school. While my siblings continued, I was not able to cope up with
the difference, not for a single day and went back to my alma mater
the very next day. However through out my student life I made sure I
am equally proficient in "Oxomiya" like my siblings and many a
times outdid them

This
Group would be surprised to know that BPO is the one of the best thing
that has happened to India. No Industry can offer anything better to
thousands of mediocre like us and I am sure the industry will stay
here for ever. And parents who opt for English medium schools are not
necessarily "boga baduli". All that matters is the attitude the
parents groom in their kids towards one's culture and language Never
for a moment can I convince myself that with my family background
I could have managed with vernacular education whatever I have
achieved so far. My personal experience says the number of English
speaking people/youth is quite less in Assam when compared to some
other Indian states. A few BPOs in our state would have tackled the
abysmal employment problem to certain extent. In other indian cities
the BPO success has ushered in the birth of dozens of english training
center along with special voice and accent courses, american accent
being the first in demand.

I would also
like to share my advantages/disadvangtages as a native Assamese
speaker in BPO industry in another mail.

Swapnali
Saikia
Bangalore
India

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[Assam] From NYT--Chief was in the Dark/ London Shooting


Tsk, tsk!

But , more than that, our own second lynching of Mr. Menenzes  is 
what I like to bring out to Netters' attn. here.



cm




Chief Tells of Delay in Learning Facts of London Shooting

By ALAN COWELL

Published: August 22, 2005


LONDON, Aug. 21 - Sir Ian Blair, commissioner of the London 
Metropolitan Police, said Sunday that he had not known until 24 hours 
after the killing of a Brazilian man by police officers that the man 
had been an innocent bystander and not, as first suggested, a 
potential suicide bomber.


The man, Jean Charles de Menezes, was shot in the head by 
plainclothes officers under a contentious shoot-to-kill policy one 
day after bombers tried to attack London's transportation system on 
July 21.


On the day Mr. Menezes died, Sir Ian told reporters that the fatal 
shooting was directly linked to the ongoing and expanding 
antiterrorist operation. At the time, the police did nothing to 
contradict suggestions that the officers had believed Mr. Menezes had 
been acting suspiciously.


Those initial accounts have been directly contradicted by leaked 
documents from an independent inquiry suggesting that Mr. Menezes 
behaved casually and was shot to death even after the police had 
restrained him.


At that time - and for the next 24 hours - I and everybody who 
advised me believed the person who was shot was a suicide bomber, 
Sir Ian said Sunday in an interview with the mass-circulation News of 
the World.


 Sir Ian said that one day later: Somebody came in at 10:30 and said 
the equivalent of 'Houston, we have a problem.' He didn't use those 
words, but he said, 'We have some difficulty here; there is a lack of 
connection.' I thought: 'That's dreadful. What are we going to do 
about that?' 


Sir Ian has said he will not resign, as Mr. Menezes' family has 
demanded, and has denied suggestions of a police cover-up. Two senior 
government officials, Deputy Prime Minister John Prescott and Home 
Secretary Charles Clarke, said Sunday that they still supported the 
police chief.


Sir Ian said Sunday that he wanted to ensure that the public debate 
did not distract counterterrorism investigators from forestalling 
further attacks. We have to concentrate on how we find the people 
who are helping or thinking about planning further atrocities, he 
said.


I am not going to be distracted from the main job, which is finding 
the terrorists, he said.


 Separately, Britain was reported to have reduced its threat 
assessment level to severe general, the third-highest level, from 
critical, the highest. But the government declined to confirm that. 
Mr. Prescott, the deputy prime minister, told the BBC that there was 
a serious threat all the time.


We are in a state of high alert, which we need to be, he said. The 
British authorities also lowered their threat assessment level 
shortly before the July 7 bombings, which killed 56 people, including 
four bombers.

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Re: [Assam] Boga Baduli and BPO Boom--Part 1

Hi Swapanali,

I think you have done a pretty goood job in writting your thoughts. Language seems to have had its most profound effects in India. While one's mother tongue is always a 'must' for all of us, it need not be at the expense (or instead of)of English or even other languages. In fact, the not knowing English is a huge handicap.

I have been lucky in the fact that I have been able to pick up 7 or 8 Indian languages, and pass off a 'local' in in number of them. That advantage really helped me a great deal travelling in India. I wish, I could have picked up languages like German, French, and Spanish too.

One thing that strikes me when I listen to a lot of youngsters speaking English in India is that even though they are articulate, there seems to be a sense of trying very hard to emulate (rather badly) spoken English from the West. Slang has replaced good English in many cases. The flow doesn't seem to smooth.

BTW: At least when we were there, India was considered the only place on earth where Victorian was still spoken. In fact, it seems, it isn't even spoken in England.

Speaking of BPOs, one of the big advantages India has while competing with China for outsourced jobs is the English language.

--Ram

On 8/21/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi Everybody,
My association with this group isn't very old. It started 2 and half years back when my previous company sent a group of 30 people to Texas for training. And the plethora of information given by this group helped the entire group tremendously. After that I have been a sporadic visitor of this group.

The other day I was reading the Prime Minister's speech in Oxford where he mentioned about the most important British legacy, the English language and about their modern school systems.
http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/nic/0046/pmspeech.htm
. A Times of India columnist once wrote that it's only for the Tamil crusaders that English stayed in India despite the onslaught of Hindi Imperialism that started right after Independence. Hence all the kudos for the Indian BPO success should go to the Tamilians !

Another article that re-shaped my thinking process was the one I read (rather my mother read it aloud to me and my sister) in Prantik (an Assmese magazine) almost 16/17 years back, where a well settled NRA called the Assamese families who sent their kids to English medium schools as "boga baduli" (white bat) which is a bizarre epiphany. (Though I am not very certain about the writer's name, the "Prantik" edition with that article still could be found in my book shelf back home provided my mother hasn't sold those old copies) This was said having found by the NRA writer that certain English medium educated Guwahati kids spoke worse Assamese than his own USA born and brought up kids. The article highly influenced my mother who is a teacher in a school named after the great martyr of "baxa andulon" Anil Bora. Once mother also told us how the Assamese had to fight to have Assamese as the official language of the state. The memory of that cataclysmic event was still fresh among the elders then. It was our father who put all our three kids in that English medium school in our town which was another legacy left by the colonial Brits and he expected us to imbibe some of their qualities like discipline, time management etc and definitely to learn English better. The following year my mother re-enrolled all her three kids in local vernacular school. While my siblings continued, I was not able to cope up with the difference, not for a single day and went back to my alma mater the very next day. However through out my student life I made sure I am equally proficient in "Oxomiya" like my siblings and many a times outdid them

Years later when I was in Delhi pursuing my post- graduation, the BPO boom started first in Delhi. Though I was over qualified for those jobs, I thought of joining the bandwagon rather going back home and being jobless like my batch mates. Another reason for choosing the BPO was to avoid jostling with the rowdy and vulgar north Indian crowd. All BPOs have their private cabs for
employees.Last month I completed my 4th year in BPO.
This Group would be surprised to know that BPO is the one of the best thing that has happened to India. No Industry can offer anything better to thousands of mediocre like us and I am sure the industry will stay here for ever. And parents who opt for English medium schools are not necessarily "boga baduli". All that matters is the attitude the parents groom in their kids towards one's culture and language Never for a moment can I convince myself that with my family background I could have managed with vernacular education whatever I have achieved so far. My personal experience says the number of English speaking people/youth is quite less in Assam when compared to some other Indian states. A few BPOs in our state would have tackled the abys

Re: [Assam] From NYT--Chief was in the Dark/ London Shooting

C'da,

But , more than that, our own second lynching of Mr. Menenzesiswhat I like to bring out to Netters' attn. here.

If you were to read some of the posts in this regard, most netters did voice strong objections to the British 'shoot at sight' policy and also the fact that Mr, M was was chased gunned down because he looked 'different'.

Talk about trigger-happy, nervous bobbies.

So, on the whole, Mr. M was NOT lynchedon this net

--Ram
On 8/21/05, Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Tsk, tsk!But , more than that, our own second lynching of Mr. Menenzesiswhat I like to bring out to Netters' attn. here.
cmChief Tells of Delay in Learning Facts of London ShootingBy ALAN COWELLPublished: August 22, 2005LONDON, Aug. 21 - Sir Ian Blair, commissioner of the London
Metropolitan Police, said Sunday that he had not known until 24 hoursafter the killing of a Brazilian man by police officers that the manhad been an innocent bystander and not, as first suggested, apotential suicide bomber.
The man, Jean Charles de Menezes, was shot in the head byplainclothes officers under a contentious shoot-to-kill policy oneday after bombers tried to attack London's transportation system onJuly 21.
On the day Mr. Menezes died, Sir Ian told reporters that the fatalshooting was directly linked to the ongoing and expandingantiterrorist operation. At the time, the police did nothing tocontradict suggestions that the officers had believed Mr. Menezes had
been acting suspiciously.Those initial accounts have been directly contradicted by leakeddocuments from an independent inquiry suggesting that Mr. Menezesbehaved casually and was shot to death even after the police had
restrained him.At that time - and for the next 24 hours - I and everybody whoadvised me believed the person who was shot was a suicide bomber,Sir Ian said Sunday in an interview with the mass-circulation News of
the World.Sir Ian said that one day later: Somebody came in at 10:30 and saidthe equivalent of 'Houston, we have a problem.' He didn't use thosewords, but he said, 'We have some difficulty here; there is a lack of
connection.' I thought: 'That's dreadful. What are we going to doabout that?' Sir Ian has said he will not resign, as Mr. Menezes' family hasdemanded, and has denied suggestions of a police cover-up. Two senior
government officials, Deputy Prime Minister John Prescott and HomeSecretary Charles Clarke, said Sunday that they still supported thepolice chief.Sir Ian said Sunday that he wanted to ensure that the public debate
did not distract counterterrorism investigators from forestallingfurther attacks. We have to concentrate on how we find the peoplewho are helping or thinking about planning further atrocities, he
said.I am not going to be distracted from the main job, which is findingthe terrorists, he said.Separately, Britain was reported to have reduced its threatassessment level to severe general, the third-highest level, from
critical, the highest. But the government declined to confirm that.Mr. Prescott, the deputy prime minister, told the BBC that there wasa serious threat all the time.We are in a state of high alert, which we need to be, he said. The
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RE: [Assam] Boga Baduli and BPO Boom--Part 1

2005-08-21 Thread Rajib Das

Alpanadi,

I almost assumed there was a hidden meaning in that
harmless question, given the propensity of BPO
business in India these days. Perhaps not.

BPO means Business Process Outsourcing. It includes
all those calls that get replied to in the case of a
Dell computer support call, American Express call
regading the card etc. While you dial your 1-800
number, the call reaches some part of India and is
responded to by an enthusiastic young Indian voice
going by the name of Becky or Bob. It also includes a
whole load of back office processing functions in
financial services, mortgage applications etc. 

American companies ship these jobs overseas (India
being a most favored destination) and save costs.
Consequently, young Indians pick up these jobs at far
lower costs.

Used to be that the guys studying in Commerce or Arts,
getting out of DU or someplace else, would be sweating
at the thought of looking for a career. No longer - if
you are English speaking. Young 21 year olds earn Rs,
10,000 or 20,000 right out of college. They change
jobs 1 or 2 times a year because there is so much
demand. Companies scout around for young english
speaking talent around the country - when they have
exhausted New Delhi and Mumbai and Pune and Bangalore
and so on, they go to smaller towns. Imagine having a
recruitment goal of 20,000 new people in a year. 

To get an idea of how big it is -  it is already a
million workforce strong in India in just a few years.
And taking over the role of the world's back office
has not yet scratched the surface.

As Swapnali points out, it probably could shape up as
one of the most important cultural phenomena to hit a
very young India. 

Thanks to Swapnali for bringing this account out. Are
there many young Indians from the northeast in the BPO
business?

Rajib












--- Alpana B. Sarangapani
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


-

What is a BPO?





 

-

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Assam] Boga Baduli and BPO Boom--Part 1
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 04:38:54 +0530















Hi Everybody, 




My association with this group isnt very old. It
started 2 and half years back when my previous company
sent a group of 30 people to Texas for training. And
the plethora of information given by this group helped
the entire group tremendously. After that I have been
a sporadic visitor of this group.



The other day I was reading the Prime Ministers
speech in Oxford where he mentioned about the most
important British legacy, the English language and
about their modern school systems.
http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/nic/0046/pmspeech.htm.  
A Times of India columnist once wrote that its only
for the Tamil crusaders that English stayed in India
despite the onslaught of Hindi Imperialism that
started right after Independence. Hence all the kudos
for the Indian BPO success should go to the Tamilians
!



Another article that re-shaped my thinking process was
the one  I read (rather my mother read it aloud to me
and my sister)  in Prantik (an Assmese magazine)
almost 16/17 years  back, where a well settled NRA
called the Assamese families who sent their kids to
English medium schools as boga baduli (white bat)
which is a bizarre epiphany. (Though I am not very
certain about the writers name,  the Prantik
edition with that article still could be found in my
book shelf back home provided my mother hasnt sold
those old copies)  This was said having found by the
NRA writer that certain English medium educated
Guwahati  kids spoke worse Assamese than his own USA
born and brought up kids. The article highly
influenced my mother who is a teacher in a school
named after the great martyr of  baxa andulon  Anil
Bora. Once mother also told us how the Assamese had to
fight to have Assamese as the official language of the
state. The memory of that cataclysmic event was still
fresh among the elders then. It was our father who put
all our three kids in that English medium school in
our town which  was another  legacy left by the
colonial Brits and he expected us to imbibe  some of
their qualities like discipline,  time management etc
and definitely to learn English better. The following
year my mother re-enrolled all her three kids in local
vernacular school. While my siblings continued, I was
not able to cope up with the difference, not for a
single day and went back to my alma mater the very
next day. However through out my student life I made
sure I am equally proficient in Oxomiya like my
siblings and many a times outdid them



Years later when I was in Delhi pursuing my post-
graduation, the BPO boom started first in Delhi.
Though I was over qualified for those jobs, I thought
of joining the bandwagon rather going back home and
being jobless like my batch mates. Another reason for
choosing the BPO  was to avoid jostling with the rowdy
and vulgar north Indian crowd. All BPOs have their
private cabs

RE: [Assam] Boga Baduli and BPO Boom--Part 1

2005-08-21 Thread Alpana B. Sarangapani

Thanks Rajib. It was really aquestion - though I know about outsourcing (even listened to "The world is flat.." by Friedman) I didn't know this acronym, honestly, as you guessed. 
Yes, I do get the Indian youngsters named Bob or Becky sometimes when I call the 800 numbers. Some of them are very smart, polite and professional. But some has no idea how to take a 'no' for an answer and also what a 'courtesy call' means. One even startedarguing with me when I asked him if it was a 'courtesy call' when he asked for my son (rather than a bill that he forgot to pay :)).
Anyway, my nieces in Bangalore are in this business while going to college and are doing great. I am glad Indian kids are getting a chance to use their talent and ability to speak english and supporting themselves or even their families. 
Thanks again - di




From: Rajib Das [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: "Alpana B. Sarangapani" [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [Assam] "Boga Baduli" and BPO Boom--Part 1Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 19:30:07 -0700 (PDT)Alpanadi,I almost assumed there was a hidden meaning in thatharmless question, given the propensity of BPObusiness in India these days. Perhaps not.BPO means Business Process Outsourcing. It includesall those calls that get replied to in the case of aDell computer support call, American Express callregading the card etc. While you dial your 1-800number, the call reaches some part of India and isresponded to by an enthusiastic young Indian voicegoing by the name of Becky or Bob. It also includes 
awhole load of back office processing functions infinancial services, mortgage applications etc.American companies ship these jobs overseas (Indiabeing a most favored destination) and save costs.Consequently, young Indians pick up these jobs at farlower costs.Used to be that the guys studying in Commerce or Arts,getting out of DU or someplace else, would be sweatingat the thought of looking for a career. No longer - ifyou are English speaking. Young 21 year olds earn Rs,10,000 or 20,000 right out of college. They changejobs 1 or 2 times a year because there is so muchdemand. Companies scout around for young englishspeaking talent around the country - when they haveexhausted New Delhi and Mumbai and Pune and Bangaloreand so on, they go to smaller 
towns. Imagine having arecruitment goal of 20,000 new people in a year.To get an idea of how big it is - it is already amillion workforce strong in India in just a few years.And taking over the role of the world's back officehas not yet scratched the surface.As Swapnali points out, it probably could shape up asone of the most important cultural phenomena to hit avery young India.Thanks to Swapnali for bringing this account out. Arethere many young Indians from the northeast in the BPObusiness?Rajib--- "Alpana B. Sarangapani"[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:-What is a 
BPO?-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [Assam] "Boga Baduli" and BPO Boom--Part 1Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 04:38:54 +0530Hi Everybody,My association with this group isnt very old. Itstarted 2 and half years back when my previous companysent a group of 30 people to Texas for training. Andthe plethora of information given by this group helpedthe entire group tremendously. After that I have beena sporadic visitor of this group.The other day I was reading the Prime 
Ministersspeech in Oxford where he mentioned about the mostimportant British legacy, the English language andabout their modern school systems.http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/nic/0046/pmspeech.htm.A Times of India columnist once wrote that its onlyfor the Tamil crusaders that English stayed in Indiadespite the onslaught of Hindi Imperialism thatstarted right after Independence. Hence all the kudosfor the Indian BPO success should go to the Tamilians!Another article that re-shaped my thinking process wasthe one I read (rather my mother read it aloud to meand my sister) in Prantik (an Assmese magazine)almost 16/17 years back, where a well settled NRAcalled the Assamese families who sent their kids toEnglish medium schools as boga baduli 
(white bat)which is a bizarre epiphany. (Though I am not verycertain about the writers name, the Prantikedition with that article still could be found in mybook shelf back home provided my mother hasnt soldthose old copies) This was said having found by theNRA writer that certain English medium educatedGuwahati kids spoke worse Assamese than his own USAborn and brought up kids. The article highlyinfluenced my mother who is a teacher in a schoolnamed after the great martyr of baxa andulon AnilBora. Once mother also told us how the Assamese had tofight to have Assamese as the official language of thestate. The memory of that cataclysmic event was stillfresh among the elders then. It was our father who putall our three kids in that English medium school inour 
town

Re: [Assam] 365 Days Birth Days - AssamNet only!

2005-08-21 Thread Mridul Bhuyan

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Re: [Assam] Boga Baduli and BPO Boom--Part 1

2005-08-21 Thread PRANJAL SONOWAL

Well said Swpnali... expecting many more such from all you other guys. This makes really happy that people sitting in outside assam are more coutious about their culture and here our own people are fighting with each other and makes small things into a big issues.

Pranjal Sonowal
Guwahati, Assam[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi Everybody,
My association with this group isnt very old. It started 2 and half years back when my previous company sent a group of 30 people to Texas for training. And the plethora of information given by this group helped the entire group tremendously. After that I have been a sporadic visitor of this group.
The other day I was reading the Prime Ministers speech in Oxford where he mentioned about the most important British legacy, the English language and about their modern school systems. http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/nic/0046/pmspeech.htm. A Times of India columnist once wrote that its only for the Tamil crusaders that English stayed in India despite the onslaught of Hindi Imperialism that started right after Independence. Hence all the kudos for the Indian BPO success should go to the Tamilians !
Another article that re-shaped my thinking process was the one I read (rather my mother read it aloud to me and my sister) in Prantik (an Assmese magazine) almost 16/17 years back, where a well settled NRA called the Assamese families who sent their kids to English medium schools as boga baduli (white bat) which is a bizarre epiphany. (Though I am not very certain about the writers name, the Prantik edition with that article still could be found in my book shelf back home provided my mother hasnt sold those old copies) This was said having found by the NRA writer that certain English medium educated Guwahati kids spoke worse Assamese than his own USA born and brought up kids. The article highly influenced my mother who is a teacher in a school named after the great martyr of baxa andulon Anil Bora. Once mother also told us how the Assamese had to fight to have Assamese as the official language!
of the
state. The memory of that cataclysmic event was still fresh among the elders then. It was our father who put all our three kids in that English medium school in our town which was another legacy left by the colonial Brits and he expected us to imbibe some of their qualities like discipline, time management etc and definitely to learn English better. The following year my mother re-enrolled all her three kids in local vernacular school. While my siblings continued, I was not able to cope up with the difference, not for a single day and went back to my alma mater the very next day. However through out my student life I made sure I am equally proficient in Oxomiya like my siblings and many a times outdid them
Years later when I was in Delhi pursuing my post- graduation, the BPO boom started first in Delhi. Though I was over qualified for those jobs, I thought of joining the bandwagon rather going back home and being jobless like my batch mates. Another reason for choosing the BPO was to avoid jostling with the rowdy and vulgar north Indian crowd. All BPOs have their private cabs for employees.Last month I completed my 4th year in BPO.
This Group would be surprised to know that BPO is the one of the best thing that has happened to India. No Industry can offer anything better to thousands of mediocre like us and I am sure the industry will stay here for ever. And parents who opt for English medium schools are not necessarily boga baduli. All that matters is the attitude the parents groom in their kids towards ones culture and language Never for a moment can I convince myself that with my family background I could have managed with vernacular education whatever I have achieved so far. My personal experience says the number of English speaking people/youth is quite less in Assam when compared to some other Indian states. A few BPOs in our state would have tackled the abysmal employment problem to certain extent. In other indian cities the BPO success has ushered in the birth of dozens of english training center along with special voice and accent courses, american acc!
ent being
the first in demand.
I would also like to share my advantages/disadvangtages as a native Assamese speaker in BPO industry in another mail.
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Re: [Assam] 365 Days Birth Days - AssamNet only!

2005-08-21 Thread Arup Kr Sarma




Dr. Arup Kumar Sarma
Associate Professor
Civil Engineering Department
Indian Institute of Technology,Guwahati
Guwahati-781039
Office Phone: +91 0361 2582409, 9864014104(m)
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On Sun, 21 Aug 2005, Mridul Bhuyan wrote:




bg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Raiz,

So, there's going to be a list of birthdays of all AssamNetters!

Here's the rules:

1. Add your NAME and your CITY/STATE/COUNTRY next to your birth date to the 
list below.
2. If someone has already put their name in the slot of your birthday, please 
just add/append your name beside it
3. If you find it too dificullat, just hit the reply-all button and let us know 
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[Assam] New book on Assamese cinema -Telegraph

A new book on the growth and development of Assamese cinema is out.

The first of its kind venture in English, the book will come out almost after a gap of 75 years of the release of first Assamese film, Joymoti, by the legendary Joytiprasad Agarwalla in 1935.

Its hard to believe its been 75 years since Joymoti!
--Ram
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A book on cinema, 75 yrs after Joymoti- First chronicle in English

STAFF REPORTER

Aug. 21: The Gauhati Cine Club has commissioned a book to highlight the history, growth and development of Assamese cinema.
The first of its kind venture in English, the book will come out almost after a gap of 75 years of the release of first Assamese film, Joymoti, by the legendary Joytiprasad Agarwalla in 1935.

Entirely conceptualised and financed by Gauhati Cine Club, the book titled Assamese Cinema will hit the bookstalls by the year-end.
"Apart from documenting each and every detail about the industry, the book will be a reference book for outsiders, curious enough to know about the industry," said club's secretary, Kanak Chandra Kalita.

"Since there is a dearth of reference books on Assamese cinema in English, the project once completed will solve the problem."
The club has formed an editorial committee comprising film critics Manoj Borpujari and Munin Bayan. Writer Garima Kalita will be the associate editor.
The 200 page-book will devote four chapters to the critical analysis of the works and contributions of master craftsmen Jyotiprasad Agarwalla, Padum Barua, Bhabendranath Saikia and Jahnu Barua. A chapter on young filmmakers making their presence felt at national and international arena will be the highlight of the book.

Essays by prominent film critics of the state will discuss the problems of the industry and measures to be taken to make it a full-fledged industry.
"Good and authentic book on Assamese cinema in English has been long overdue," said Bidyut Chakraborty, national award filmmaker. "The initiate undertaken by Cine Club is laudable and we should all help them."

A chapter will also discuss how both healthy and viable commercial films can work as an anchor for the almost dying Assamese industry.
"Before starting on the project, we have talked and discussed about the kind of reading materials to be added in the book among the editorial members," said Bayan. "We have also done a survey where public opinion was sought before undertaking the project."

"We are planning to construct a permanent complex with an office building, an auditorium, a library and an archive for the benefit of cinema in the region," Kalita said.

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Re: Re: [Assam] Introduction Malla Baruah




Dear Dipankar:
Thanks for the information about Malla Baruahs. I have 
better and exciting news though. I asked you the question about Malla Baruah, 
and I got the authentic answerhere in Houston itself from my friend Mr 
Rabin Mahanta (another ex-Oilindian). So now probably I know more about the 
(famous) Malla Baruahs in Assam then you. Anyhow the following information about 
the Malla Baruah family was gathered throughRabin Mahanta whoseGrand 
Mother comes from the famous Malla Baruah family in North Kamrup, Xankusi to be 
exact.The title Malla Baruah was apparently given to the family by 
the Ahom king Gadadhar Singha. It appears that it was the time when the famous 
Harakanta-Birakanta brothers of Kamrup were trying to revolt against the Ahom 
king. During this time, Gadadhar Singha appointed and established 
theancestor with the title of Malla Baruah and grantedlots of land 
and properties. The Malla Baruah family acted like a Viceroyfor 
theAhom King on that part of the country. In modern terms, the Malla 
Baruah family probably acted like a War Lord and pacified any unwanted 
revolution and maintained law and order and probably collected taxes on behalf 
of the Ahom Kings. The familyused to maintain a fleet ofelephants 
and I am sure they used to maintain an army consisted of probably Mallas (or 
Mals) for the purpose. So Malla Baruah are from a warrior family like that 
of the Baro Bhuyans (the ancestor family of our famous Xongkordev). You 
are right that all the Malla Baruahs are probably related one way or 
another.Now you may not know it but by default you are distant 
relativesofRabin Mahanta as well asDilip Deka of Houston. I 
also came to know that our National poet famous Ajit Malla Baruah hails from 
this family. Looks like Assam is a small world mainly controlled by the Malla 
Baruahs. Keep it up.

BTW I worked in the Mechanical Engineering discipline 
and left Oil India in 1979.Since then I have been living in Houston and 
working here in the oil  gas industry as an engineer.How is the Well 
Logging Departmentdoing now.What technilogy youuse? Do you do 3-D 
Survey etc?
Thanks
Rajen Barua



  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Dipankar Malla Baruah (Well 
  Logging) 
  To: Rajen Barua 
  Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu 
  Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 3:05 
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  Subject: Re: Re: [Assam] 
  Introduction
  Rajen da,As far as I know, we Malla Baruahs are related 
  to one another and there is only one big Malla Baruah family originally from 
  North Kamrup. The meaning of my middle name that you have guessed is probably 
  correct as I remember my father saying such a thing to me. Rajen da, 
  when did you work in OIL. Which department did you work in. What you are doing 
  now. I will be glad to know all 
  these.DipankarFrom: "Rajen Barua" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: Fri, 19 
  Aug 2005 08:57:09 -0500To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], 
  assam@pikespeak.uccs.eduSubject: Re: [Assam] 
  IntroductionWelcome to Dipankar from an ex OilIndian.May I ask you 
  couple of questions:Are you related to Paresh Malla Baruah?Do you know 
  how you guys got the middle name Malla?Is it a title given to your 
  ancestor by the Ahoms?Normally that would probably mean 'an officer who is 
  in charge of the Malla jujarus"?But I may be wrong.ThanksRajen 
  Barua, Houston- Original Message - From: "Dipankar Malla 
  Baruah (Well Logging)" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: 
  assam@pikespeak.uccs.eduSent: Friday, August 19, 2005 8:04 
  AMSubject: [Assam] Introduction Sambhashan 
  everyone,  I am Dipangkar Malla Baruah, working in Oil India 
  Ltd presently posted in Duliajan, Assam as Dy Supdng Engineer. I did BE in 
  electronics from VRCE (REC), Nagpur in 1993. I will like to interact with the 
  people who love Assam in different part of the world.  
  Dipangkar   With regards D M Baruah Dy 
  Supdng Engineer Well Logging Deptt Oil India Ltd 
  Duliajan - 786 602 Assam Phone : 0374 2803017 (R)094350 39820 
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[Assam] PUNJAB AIRWAYS

2005-08-20 Thread sushil mishra

Dear All,
I am really baffled to see the seriousness of all of
you over the burning topic. Let us deviate a little
bit from the main stream  have some fun. Please go
through the following article on a fictitious PUNJAB
AIRWAYS:

PUNJAB AIRWAYS
Good morning, Ladies and Gentlemen. This is your
Captain Santa Singh welcoming you to Punjab Airways.We
apologize for the four-day delay in taking off, owing
to bad weather and some overtime I had put in at the
bakery. This is flight no. 126 to Ludhiana. Landing in
Ludhiana is not guaranteed, but we will end up
somewhere in the East. And if luck is in our favor, we
may even be landing on your village !

Punjab Airways has an excellent record for safety.In
fact our safety standards are so high that even the
fully trained terrorists and hijackers are afraid to
fly with us !

It is with pleasure I announce that starting  this
year over 50% of our passengers have reached their
destination. For  the ones that don't quite make it,
Punjab Airways staff has all the requisite experience
for consoling the next-of-kin. Our Hostess Bubbly will
be happy to brief you on our out-of-court settlement
policies.

If our engines are too noisy for you, on passenger
request, we can arrange to turn them off ! To make
your free fall to earth pleasant and  memorable, we
serve complimentary tea and biscuits . 

For our religious passengers, we are the only  airline
who can help you find out if there really is a God ! 

We regret to inform you that today's in-flight movie
will not be
shown as we forgot to record it from the television.
But for our movie buffs,
we will be flying right next to United Airlines, where
 their movie will be visible from the right side of
the cabin window. For this purpose, we have also put a
binocular under your seat. 

There is no smoking in this airplane. Any smoke you
see in the cabin is only the early warning system on
the engines telling us to slow down!Life jackets are
positioned under your seats  and free bathing costumes
are made available to the aunties and swimming  shorts
to the uncles,for emergency jumps ! In order to catch
important landmarks, we try  to fly as close as
possible for the best view. If, however, we go a
little too close do let us know. Our enthusiastic
co-pilot sometimes flies right  through the landmark!
Kindly be seated, keep your seat in an upright
position for take off and fasten your belts. For those
of you who can't find a seat belt, kindly fasten your
own belt to the arm of your seat. And for those of you
who can't find a seat, do not hesitate to get in touch
with a flight attendant for your arrangement to sit on
the bathroom seat. If you do sit there, please do not
flush frequently because it may result in the shortage
of the water we require to make you tea. 

Sorry, but I won't be flying with you today because I
have to attend my nephew's wedding. But please make
yourself at home and help yourself to the cockpit.

Thank you for choosing Punjab Airways !!

REGARDS
SUSHIL KUMAR MISHRA







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[Assam] NDFB's noble gesture @ risking survival of Bodo identity.

2005-08-20 Thread Bartta Bistar

NDFB builds sovereignty base
- Outfit claims Boroland will be a multi-racial territory
http://www.telegraphindia.com/1050820/asp/guwahati/story_5134440.asp

Serfanguri (Kokrajhar), Aug. 19: The National Democratic Front of Boroland (NDFB) today unveiled its roadmap for a multi-racial sovereign Boroland and a 31-page manifesto that purports to correct the wrong policies of the past.
Blaming preceding Bodo leaders, organisations and political parties for the continuing unrest, the militant groups leadership said during a public rally here that they were trying to evolve a consensus on the demand for sovereignty before starting negotiations with Delhi.
The NDFB said without naming anyone that several Bodo organisations and political parties had kept themselves aloof from the people.
Defining its policy as the way that effectively solves a problem, the militant group said: There is nothing in the world that cannot be solved th-rough a policy. Every problem has its solution if it is handled in a realistic wayWhat we have to do now is to rectify the incorrect policy that our preceding leaders had adopted.
The NDFB said other Bodo organisations and their leaders promised to save and liberate the Boro people and their ancestral territories, but treacherously betrayed them and left them to be exploited, dominated and assimilated by the aliens.
Elaborating on its vision of a sovereign Boroland, the outfit states in its manifesto that people are wrongly assuming this to be a territory exclusively for the Bodo community. There is no country in the modern world that is not a multiracial one and Boroland shall not be an exception to this. The NDFB is not against any caste, creed, community or religion. We have respect for every caste, creed, community and religion. People of any community or religion shall live in sovereign Boroland, but their living there should not be at the cost of our land and identity. In other words, their living within Boroland should not be at the cost of a Boro nation.
The NDFB, which signed a tripartite ceasefire agreement with Delhi and Dispur on May 24, has been holding a series of public meetings in the Bodo-inhabited districts. The outfits leaders interacted with representatives of various Bodo organisations at Jaraguri, near Gossaigaon, in Kokrajhar district yesterday and Udalguri, Sonitpur and Baksa before that.
The next stop is Chirang, after which the NDFB think-tank will head for Dhubri district. A rally will be held in Kokrajhar town on August 28.
Among those who attended todays meeting were NDFB secretary-general Govinda Basumatary, Boroland army chief B. Sushrangra, deputy commander-in-chief B. Olongbar, finance secretary B. Detsung, cultural and natural resource secretary M. Gerema and Sunil Basumatary.
Some members of the All Bodo Students Union and the Bodo Sahitya Sabha were also present. The outfit intends to arrange meetings with leaders of the student union, which has considerable influence on the community, and the Bodo Sahitya Sabha.
Till now we have not talked to them, but we are trying to do so. We hope it will materialise soon. We want to work together for a fruitful result, the NDFB secretary-general said yesterday

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[Assam] Great to be a member of this List

2005-08-20 Thread Srimay Sarma

Hi,

This is Srimay here. Recently I joined this mailing list. Nice to see all the posts and heartful discussions about topics related to my very own native Assam. 
I am an Assamese boy, currently working in Infosys Technologies Ltd, Chennai, India. Completed my Engg in Computers from Jorhat Engineering College, Assam last year (2004).

Thanks and Regards,
Srimay
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[Assam] NE Sun

2005-08-20 Thread utpal borpujari

Hi Chandan-da: yes, I remember sending you a mail thinking you to be 'the' chandan da (also Mahanta), who was in JNU and is now with the IIT-Guwahati. Thanks for your wishes.
Rajen-da: Before Jadav can introduce NE Sun to you, let me write a few things about it. It is a fortnightly magazine from New Delhi, and covers all kinds of news from NE India, written mostly by freelance journalists located in some of the remotest parts - which I think is the best thing about this magazine. Simply because some of the writings may not be the best of English, but you get to know about events of all kinds (political/cultural/environment/wildlife etc etc) from all across NE India. I have fond memories about NE Sun as I was among the few aspiring journalists from Guwahati who had written for NE Sun from its probably second or third issue onwards for about two years. Unfortunately, the magazine is not available on the Net. You might be surprised to know that quite a few English magazines, though all small time ventures, are getting published from various places of NE now (Guwahati/Shillong/Dimapur) covering the NE in more or less the same lines as NE Sun.
- Utpal
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[Assam] tita kerela/entrepreneurship

2005-08-20 Thread utpal borpujari

Chandan-da: Congratulations on your successful experiment with the tita kerela. I think you must get your experience and the process published in a magazine like Prantik, and also seriously, get the process and the product patented.
And with reference to the debate on Assamese entrepreneurship, I read the following interesting items in Saturday (Aug 20)'s Assam Tribune:
Gingerly yoursIt is said that opening a shop in a place like Mumbai is a very difficult proposition. More so for an Assamese youth or anybody from a region like this Northeast. But thats exactly what a boy from Assam is doing. He is Angshu Phukan, son of Assamese film hero of yesteryears Biju Phukan.Angshus shop, situated on Linking Road, Bandra is billed Ginger, but there is no ginger or anything remotely connected to the favourite spice in his shop. Its sans any eatables. His shop deals with dresses for both ladies and gents. Whats more, a corner of the shop will have collection!
s of
exquisite apparels made from handmade fine fibres of Northeast. Small wonder then that his corner has created curiosity among the concerned Mumbaiites.The designs of the exotic dresses will be created by Guwahati-based fashion designer Dipankar Kashyap. Its good that the duo has come close to highlight and popularize the clothes of the Northeast in the financial and fashion capital of the country. And with hardwork, dedication and devotion the clothes are bound to go the global way too.With the look of the clothes, made from eri, muga, pat and other ethnic fabrics of the region, one is bound to get impressed instantly. Moreover, without any warmness whatsoever unlike the synthetic fabrics, and similar to pure cotton, these apparels sure would capture a vast market even among the elders in the long run, if not in a short time. The venture will take off this September and lets hope that it brings about a revolution in the apparel scene making the dresses!
most
sought after garments in the Indian market, for the time being. Dipankars collections Koina, Breezing Brahmaputra and Gay O Gayz will be available at Ginger. It may be mentioned here that the Gay O Gayz range of unisex clothes was unveiled in Guwahati during the recent World AIDS Day celebrations.Designers duoTalking of fashion, we can see that fashion mania seems to have gripped the Northeast. Several models from the region like Tora Khasgir, Dipannita Sharma, Tarun Arora and Aryan Barua have made it to the top league in the fashion capital of the country, Mumbai, regularly featuring in various shows as well as product endorsements in media, both print and electronic.Now its time for the designers to come forward. Two designers from Assam were
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ttires of
the Northeast, especially designed with indigenous fabrics of the region like pat, muga, eri and khadi besides some handwoven cotton. All these new bride-and-groom creations have traditional ornamental motifs that are bound to attract the fashion connoisseurs and pundits of the fashion capital. Incidentally, the whos who list of the special evenings invitees include top achievers in different fields like Rahul Bajaj, Kumarmangalam Birla, Tina Ambani, Rekha, Jaya Bachchan, Sridevi, Anita Raj and others.Lets hope, Prasantt and Kimberly make a mark in the national fashion scenario and bring laurels to the Northeast.Mridumoloy/Simanta
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[Assam] Jokaisuk: Ganesh da

2005-08-20 Thread priyankoo sarma


Ganesh da,
Thanks for reminding about jokai India and all. In fact Jokai T.E. Hospital was very famous at one time! I have been reading about the jokaisuk discussion but somehow it never reminded me of jokai and jokaisuk in Doomdooma. koy nohoy bole agote maasto bogolito kona!

O ganesh da, amaar campusot kaso sai kenekuwa pale raizok kobo akou!
Thanks
Priyankoo



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RE: [Assam] Jokaisuk: Ganesh da

2005-08-20 Thread Alpana B. Sarangapani

Jokai has nothing to do with Jakoi, has it? 
Ne, Jokai-r kotha patute patute, sukot pori thoka Jakoi khonor kotha hothate monot pori jakoi-khonoke loi campus-ot maas-kaaso dhoriboloi loisa neki, Priyankoo? 



From: "priyankoo sarma" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: priyankoo sarma [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: assam@pikespeak.uccs.eduSubject: [Assam] Jokaisuk: Ganesh daDate: 20 Aug 2005 14:09:57 -
Ganesh da,Thanks for reminding about jokai India and all. In fact Jokai T.E. Hospital was very famous at one time! I have been reading about the jokaisuk discussion but somehow it never reminded me of jokai and jokaisuk in Doomdooma. koy nohoy bole "agote maasto bogolito kona!"O ganesh da, amaar campusot kaso sai kenekuwa pale raizok kobo akou!ThanksPriyankoo Dex mathoeta dharona,thikonar xexxari... The mostimportant thingin lifeis neverto forgetwho youare... http://plaza.ufl.edu/priyanku 
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[Assam] 365 Days Birth Days - AssamNet only!

2005-08-20 Thread bg

Raiz,

So, there's going to be a list of birthdays of all AssamNetters!

Here's the rules:

1. Add your NAME and your CITY/STATE/COUNTRY next to your birth date to the list below. 
2. If someone has already put their name in the slot of your birthday, please just add/append your name beside it 
3. If you find it too dificullat, just hit the reply-all button and let us know your Birth Day! We will take care of adding the same into the list.

January 1 = Jan. 2 = Jan. 3 = 
Jan 4 = Jan. 5 =Jan. 6 =Jan. 7 =Jan. 8 =Jan. 9 =Jan. 10 = Babul Gogoi (New Delhi, INDIA)Jan. 11 =Jan.12 = 
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Re: [Assam] Bandh culture

2005-08-20 Thread umesh sharma

someone said that to Mahatma Gandhi that this non-violent Bandh /strikes would ultimately be harming the country and ruining the work ethic of Indians. Elsewhere I think the communists had started this thing -- if I remember correctly in Paris Labor Marches had taken place like this much eaelier.

UmeshRam Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Dipankar,

Many netters have written often about this 'bandh culture'. Reading the Assam Tribune and the Sentinel I have read many people voice their opinions against such a culture. Unfortunately, that doesn't seem to be heard.

The organizers of these bands care very little about the economic effects. The public too seems to care less. On the one hand its a holiday, so why worry. The fact that traders and manufacturers will ultimately shift the cost of bandhs to consumers in way of higher prices is not given any thought either.

Can anybody suggest a remedy for this sickening culture.

The solution obviously lies with the people. They are ones that the organizers seek support from. If people do not give them that support, then calls for bandhs will fail.

I think recently a bandh call by some minority student group failed in major cities like Guwahati because people just ignored it. That is the solution.

--Ram
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Hi all,Today there is another "Assam Bandh" in Assam called by small tea garden owner's union. This has been a policy of every organization to call for a bandh to show their existence. The bandh is declared in such a way so that people get continuous holidays like on Saturdays and Mondays or when there is a normal day in between holidays. People also blindly support the bandh and prefer to have a rest day at home without even knowing the cause of the bandh. Can anybody suggest a remedy for this sickening culture. DipankarWith regardsD M BaruahDy Supdng EngineerWell Logging DepttOil India LtdDuliajan - 786 602AssamPhone : 0374 2803017 (R)094350 39820 (M)___ Assam mailing listAssam@pikespeak.uccs.eduhttp://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assamMailing list FAQ: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.htmlTo unsubscribe or change options:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam ___Assam mailing listAssam@pikespeak.uccs.eduhttp://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assamMailing list FAQ:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.htmlTo unsubscribe or change options:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam
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Re: [Assam] PUNJAB AIRWAYS

2005-08-20 Thread umesh sharma

seems more like Indian Airlines to me -- onlt the name hs been changed
:)

Umeshsushil mishra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dear All,I am really baffled to see the seriousness of all ofyou over the burning topic. Let us deviate a littlebit from the main stream have some fun. Please gothrough the following article on a fictitious PUNJABAIRWAYS:PUNJAB AIRWAYS"Good morning, Ladies and Gentlemen. This is yourCaptain Santa Singh welcoming you to Punjab Airways.Weapologize for the four-day delay in taking off, owingto bad weather and some overtime I had put in at thebakery. This is flight no. 126 to Ludhiana. Landing inLudhiana is not guaranteed, but we will end upsomewhere in the East. And if luck is in our favor, wemay even be landing on your village !Punjab Airways has an excellent record for safety.Infact our safety standards are so high that even thefully trained terrorists and hijackers are afraid tofly with us
!It is with pleasure I announce that starting thisyear over 50% of our passengers have reached theirdestination. For the ones that don't quite make it,Punjab Airways staff has all the requisite experiencefor consoling the next-of-kin. Our Hostess Bubbly willbe happy to brief you on our out-of-court settlementpolicies.If our engines are too noisy for you, on passengerrequest, we can arrange to turn them off ! To makeyour free fall to earth pleasant and memorable, weserve complimentary tea and biscuits . For our religious passengers, we are the only airlinewho can help you find out if there really is a God ! We regret to inform you that today's in-flight moviewill not beshown as we forgot to record it from the television.But for our movie buffs,we will be flying right next to United Airlines, wheretheir movie will be visible from the right side ofthe cabin window. For this purpose,!
we have
also put abinocular under your seat. There is no smoking in this airplane. Any smoke yousee in the cabin is only the early warning system onthe engines telling us to slow down!Life jackets arepositioned under your seats and free bathing costumesare made available to the aunties and swimming shortsto the uncles,for emergency jumps ! In order to catchimportant landmarks, we try to fly as close aspossible for the best view. If, however, we go alittle too close do let us know. Our enthusiasticco-pilot sometimes flies right through the landmark!Kindly be seated, keep your seat in an uprightposition for take off and fasten your belts. For thoseof you who can't find a seat belt, kindly fasten yourown belt to the arm of your seat. And for those of youwho can't find a seat, do not hesitate to get in touchwith a flight attendant for your arrangement to sit onthe bathroom seat. If you do sit there, please do
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[Assam] JOKAI / JAKOI




Alpana:
Both theAssamese words JOKAI and 
JAKOImean the same,'a kind of bamboo scoop with a handle used 
to catch fish'. Looks like this is a pure Assamese word not to found in Bengali 
or Hindi.
Barua

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Alpana B. Sarangapani 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu 
  Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 9:24 
  AM
  Subject: RE: [Assam] Jokaisuk: Ganesh 
  da
  
  
  Jokai has nothing to do with Jakoi, has it? 
  Ne, Jokai-r kotha patute patute, sukot pori thoka Jakoi khonor kotha 
  hothate monot pori jakoi-khonoke loi campus-ot maas-kaaso dhoriboloi loisa 
  neki, Priyankoo? 
  
  

From: "priyankoo sarma" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: 
priyankoo sarma [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: 
assam@pikespeak.uccs.eduSubject: 
[Assam] Jokaisuk: Ganesh daDate: 20 Aug 2005 14:09:57 
-
Ganesh da,Thanks for reminding about jokai India and all. In 
fact Jokai T.E. Hospital was very famous at one time! I have been reading 
about the jokaisuk discussion but somehow it never reminded me of jokai and 
jokaisuk in Doomdooma. koy nohoy bole "agote maasto bogolito 
kona!"O ganesh da, amaar campusot kaso sai kenekuwa pale 
raizok kobo akou!ThanksPriyankoo Dex 
mathoeta dharona,thikonar xexxari... The 
mostimportant thingin lifeis neverto forgetwho 
youare... 
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Re: [Assam] Much Ado about What?

2005-08-20 Thread Chan Mahanta

Title: Re: [Assam] Much Ado about
What?


Ram:


Bhendi plants are my thing. I probably would not go
anywhere.


*** That was a wild guess on my part, but nice to see I got
lucky. Considering how frequently I am off the mark, that was a good
one, wasn't it :-)?



But, that is NOT the point here. The concept of freedom means
I can do what I want within reason: join the
celebrations or not.

*** I know, I know. But this concept of 'celebration',listening
to hour-long harangues of the likes I described earlier, in
'tika-fota-rod' ( under a searing sun) is certainly a bizarre one at
best. Only school children, whose freedom to choose whether to attend
is always denied, forcing them to attend, building ( I mean
destroying) character; while freedom loving adults can tend to their
'bhendi' plants or engage in 'adda'.

If I were you Ram, I would THANK ULFA for providing the excuse,
even to those whose freedoms not to ENJOY these celebrations are
OFFICIALLY robbed by the custodians of servitude, the 'sorkar'.
Imagine all the policemen on the beats, the ranks of the mid-level
'babus' who would be ordinarily required to attend, all the school
children sweating in their school or NCC/girl scout uniforms, so on
and so forth, actually got to ENJOY the day off, doing the things they
REALLY like to do.

You may call me cynical, but that is the REAL truth. On the other
hand, your explanation is an exercise in spinning, that no-one other
than the most naive and the deluded, will buy :-).


That in essence is the problem with ULFA's tactics. As their
ground support seems to be waning,

 I would almost have fallen for this, had it not been for the
fact that I have been hearing this at least for a decade now. Same
words, same spin. But then we saw how ULFA can strike, at will, where
it chooses to.

Would anyone believe that ULFA can operate like this if their
support base did not exist?


--they are willing to kill children if required for their
'cause'.

 I cannot not agree that this was a terrible thing for them
to have perpetrated. However, at least as a wanna-be Jokaisukiya, you
could appreciate that even a bholuka-baanhor-barhoni -w- buti-hoy (
even a broom made from the sturdiest of bamboo, wears short) making it
useless after a while.

Actions speak louder than words. Just mouthing off 'peace'
doesn't make it so.

 Isn't that the truth? I cannot remember--how many decades
now--that the Center has been promising to make peace? If the GOOD
FOLKS, your Center and its proxy, the stooges at Dispur, keep
resorting to the 'baagi' ( excuse, alibi) that if the ULFA
chooses not to talk, what can we do where is their credibility?
They can call ULFA's bluff instantly, by asking them to come sit
at the table. But can they? Do they, your good guys, have the moral
wherewithal to show they ARE the sincere ones?

Luckily someone of MRG's stature appeared on the scene to call
the Center's bluff. And we are witnessing their discomfiture,
squirming. And no amount of spin will obscure that Ram.


Who knows why Reghupati would make that statement - to
appease B'deshi govt. on some quid-quo-pro deal?

 That is very persuasive :-).



Take the River-Linking issue. I am sure there are people in
GOI who actually know the pros and cons of RL on a purely
scientific and practical basis.

 That stands to reason. And exactly for that reason, they
will not release the PFR data. Why? Because they will become the
laughing stock of their peers. That is why. And not because:
the GOI has to also appease the B'deshi govt, because
the B'deshi govt.
does not think RL is good for them,

Ram you got to watch---you might spin yourself into orbit, if you
keep going like this. I may not agree with you, but I enjoy the
communications and the camaraderie here. We will miss you too much if
get spaced out :-).


--while China would be all for RL (as they want to build dams
too).

 So if China blesses riverlinking it must be good for Assam?
That must have been a slip, even for you, I am sure.


The souther states think RL is good, while others are
not.

 That depends. If you think bean counters like Kalyanraman
and rocket engineers like Pres. Kalam are also experts in hydrology,
civil engineering or ecology, and they represent the south you may be
right.

But the fact is the first above could not be further from the
truth. And the latter, that they represent ALL of the south also could
not be further from the truth. The southern states have long disagreed
and continue to as of this moment, on damming and river water sharing
in THEIR rivers.

Riverlinking is an entirely politically contrived boondoggle that
has no merit whatsoever, in any shape or form, as presently
floated.

The other day I spoke to a very successful Assamese businessman
who seems to have a good pulse of India. Three things he said rang in
my ears:

 1: It
is the Indian and Assam political and bureaucratic class that
 paints
this grotesque picture of the NE as a violence

[Assam] Assamese / entrepreneurship




His shop deals with 
dresses for both ladies and gents. Whats more, a corner of the shop will have 
collection! s of exquisite apparels made from handmade fine fibres of 
Northeast. 

It is good to know that 
Assamese are getting out of Assam now a days and spreading all over India and 
trying to make better living. I think we have many enterprising Assamese in 
Assam who ready to work but simply cannot succeed due to our negative work 
culture in Assam.

I know of a similar store 
owned and successfully run by an young Assamese couple in Pune. Also I know of 
an Assamese owned engineering company doing successful business in Baroda. In 
fact Italked to theAssamese engineer working for the company there 
who is a relative of mine. This company is doingoil and gas contract 
business in Gujarat as well as in Assam. I asked him if he could tell me, from 
his experience so far, how working in Gujarat isdifferent than working in 
Assam. He frankly told me that working as well as doing busniness in Gujarat is 
morefun. First according to him Gujaratis aremuch hard working guys 
than Assamese. Things move faster in Gujarat as people take quick decisions and 
nobody wait for nobody;everybody seem to know their own part of the job 
and they do that part well. If an electrician is supposed to do the electrical 
job, one can rest assured that the job will be done. According to him, the 
Gujaratisalso donot hesitate to take some risk and accept new technology 
which is also making a big difference.As a resultprojects get 
completed sooner in Gujarat than in Assam. Compared to that, he said, things 
movevery lahe lahe in Assam mainly due to the laid back attitude of the 
Assamese where everybody want to blame everybody for things notdone. He 
also told that our climate in Assam may beanother factor. In Assam during 
the rainy season things do not move at all and whatever time was left for work 
in the winter season, much is taken up by our Bundh culture. etc 
etc.

I donot know how much of 
the above is correct. But there seems to be truth to that. Anyhow looking at 
howmore and more entrepreneur Assamese businessmen are going out and 
starting successfulbusiness outside Assam, there must be some 
truth. We should keep this in mind when thinking for development of 
Assam. Because if the above is true, Assam may havemany entrepreneur 
Assamese youth willingand ready to work hard and to do business and 
succeed. It is our duty to give then the right environment. One of that 
requirement is to stop this Bundh Culture. Anyhow I am planning to include a 
short trip to Gujarat when I visit India this time so that I have some personal 
impression of things.

Rajen Barua

- Original Message - 

  From: 
  utpal 
  borpujari 
  To: assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu 
  Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 9:01 
  AM
  Subject: [Assam] tita 
  kerela/entrepreneurship
  
  Chandan-da: Congratulations on your successful experiment with the tita 
  kerela. I think you must get your experience and the process published in a 
  magazine like Prantik, and also seriously, get the process and the product 
  patented. 
  And with reference to the debate on Assamese entrepreneurship, I read the 
  following interesting items in Saturday (Aug 20)'s Assam Tribune: 
  Gingerly 
  yoursIt is 
  said that opening a shop in a place like Mumbai is a very difficult 
  proposition. More so for an Assamese youth or anybody from a region like this 
  Northeast. But thats exactly what a boy from 
  Assam is 
  doing. He is Angshu Phukan, son of Assamese film hero of yesteryears Biju 
  Phukan.Angshus shop, situated on Linking 
  Road, Bandra is billed Ginger, but there is no 
  ginger or anything remotely connected to the favourite spice in his shop. Its 
  sans any eatables. His shop deals with dresses for both ladies and gents. 
  Whats more, a corner of the shop will have collection! s of exquisite 
  apparels made from handmade fine fibres of Northeast. Small wonder then that 
  his corner has created curiosity among the concerned Mumbaiites.The 
  designs of the exotic dresses will be created by Guwahati-based fashion 
  designer Dipankar Kashyap. Its good that the duo has come close to highlight 
  and popularize the clothes of the Northeast in the financial and fashion 
  capital of the country. And with hardwork, dedication and devotion the clothes 
  are bound to go the global way too.With the look of the clothes, 
  made from eri, muga, pat and other ethnic fabrics of the region, one is bound 
  to get impressed instantly. Moreover, without any warmness whatsoever unlike 
  the synthetic fabrics, and similar to pure cotton, these apparels sure would 
  capture a vast market even among the elders in the long run, if not in a short 
  time. The venture will take off this September and lets hope that it brings 
  about a revolution in the apparel scene making the dresses! most sought after 
  garments in the Indian market, for the time

Re: [Assam] NE Sun




Dear Utpal:
Thanks for the information. I would be very much 
interested to know more about this NE SUN or any other such magazine which cover 
specifically all the states of NE. I will try to pick up some samples when I 
visit Assam next time. Can you suggest which magazine will be good if not NE 
SUN?. What is the circulation? Is it distributed in all the states in NE? Can I 
subscribe from USA? etc 
Rajen Barua 


  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  utpal 
  borpujari 
  To: assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu 
  Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 7:51 
  AM
  Subject: [Assam] NE Sun
  
  Hi Chandan-da: yes, I remember sending you a mail thinking you to be 'the' 
  chandan da (also Mahanta), who was in JNU and is now with the IIT-Guwahati. 
  Thanks for your wishes. 
  Rajen-da: Before Jadav can introduce NE Sun to you, let me write a few 
  things about it. It is a fortnightly magazine from New Delhi, and covers all 
  kinds of news from NE India, written mostly by freelance journalists located 
  in some of the remotest parts - which I think is the best thing about this 
  magazine. Simply because some of the writings may not be the best of English, 
  but you get to know about events of all kinds 
  (political/cultural/environment/wildlife etc etc) from all across NE India. I 
  have fond memories about NE Sun as I was among the few aspiring journalists 
  from Guwahati who had written for NE Sun from its probably second or third 
  issue onwards for about two years. Unfortunately, the magazine is not 
  available on the Net. You might be surprised to know that quite a few English 
  magazines, though all small time ventures, are getting published from various 
  places of NE now (Guwahati/Shillong/Dimapur) covering the NE in more or less 
  the same lines as NE Sun. 
  - Utpal
  
  
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Re: [Assam] For Gardeners

Title: Re: [Assam] For Gardeners



It is an EXTREMELY easy thing to do, if you know some fundamentals of 
Botany and Horticulture.

That may be very true but it does not 
matter frankly speaking.The fact remains that many like me donot know and 
nobody in Assam seem to be doing that. I think it should be your repsonsibilty 
from your enightened position to do whatever to educate/train the rural 
khetioks in Assam of thiseasy thing.
Rajen

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Chan 
  Mahanta 
  To: Barua25 ; assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu 
  Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 8:20 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [Assam] For Gardeners
  
  Rajen:
  
  Thanks for the kind words, but it is not an achievement to croak about 
  :). It is an EXTREMELY easy thing to do, if you know some fundamentals of 
  Botany and Horticulture.
  
  I have successfully cross-bred the large pale-green Oxomiya 'lao' ( 
  gourd) with Italian Marrow ( a long thin variety of 'lao') years back, and 
  raise the hybrid in our garden every year. The hybrid is a long but club ( 
  goda) like variety.
  
  I don't know that the hybrid 'kerela' will be 'kerwn' resistant. It could 
  be, but it could also be extremely vulnerable. I don't know enough about 
  genetics to be able to predict what could be expected to result from the cross 
  pollination. Yes, certain disease resistant varieties CAN BE produced by 
  selective breeding/pollination. But it takes years of methodical work, of 
  trial and error. There are laws of heredity which can predict certain 
  characteristics of a cross bred plant or animal. My effort could be compared 
  to shooting in the dark to see if anything will be hit. Good thing though is 
  that it is highly unlikely to produce a 'kerela from hell'.
  
  Thanks much for sharing your 'bogori aasar'. We too used it sparingly. 
  But it is all gone now. I envy you Houstonians and Floridians and Americans 
  from the South and West who have the climate to be able to grow Assam plants 
  outdoors and can be sure they would survive the winter. Bogori would be hard 
  to hybridize, because it really does not belong to the plum family at all. 
  There are different strains of it in Assam, Bengal, north India etc. I am sure 
  cross breeding with these variants are eminently possible.
  
  Dil Deka has some Bhat Kerela plants. I am going to get me an 'aalu' ( 
  tuber) from her next time, and see if I can cross breed 'tita kerela' with 
  'bhaat kerela'.They are both 'momordicas' and just might work.
  
  I tried last year to create a cross between a 'jika' and a 'bhwl', 
  But I failed. I will try again this year when they start blooming in about a 
  couple of weeks.
  
  I am trying some other experiments too. But it is too early to talk about 
  it. If something useful comes out of it, you will surely hear from me 
  :-).
  
  c
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  At 7:31 PM -0500 8/19/05, Barua25 wrote:
  Chandan:
  That is a great 
achievement, I would say. Please do publish it in some magazine here and 
specaially in Assam with some sketches and pictures so that people would 
know and may practise the sameMay be your hybrid variety will not 
suffer from kerwn. The processof creating hybrid 
fruitsseems to be exciting although I am absolutely novice in this 
field.I definitely would like to have seeds of this new variety 
of Kerela.Deep fried kerela with white rice and chilliis 
one of my favorite Assamese dish for Sunday lunch.
  
  I am sure you can do it 
with other Assamese fruits. As I told you before, I have successfully 
planted an Assamese Bogori Gos (straight from Jorhat) in our house in 
Katy, Texas. The good news is that it survived the frost second year in a 
row. This year the treeproduced enough khar-khwa Bogoris for 
Ajanta to make couple of bottles of Bogori Asar which we are enjoying 
sparingly like bapoti xahwn. May be you can teach me how to make a 
hybrid Bogori out of this with some American plum 
  variety.
  Thanks
  Rajen
  
  
  - Original 
Message -
  From: "Chan 
Mahanta" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu
  Sent: Friday, 
August 19, 2005 12:33 PM
  Subject: [Assam] 
For Gardeners
  
   
Raiz: I am a part-time khetiyok ( gardener), among 
other things :-). I am pleased to announce that I created a 
hybrid tita kerela, by cross breeding a variety of semi-wild kerela 
that I collected seeds of from a vine from the highlands of Jamaica 
in 2003 with the long Assamese variety. This Jamaican variety kerela 
( momordica--bitter gourd) fruit is really tiny, about 1" in 
diameter and about 2" to 2.5" long, with dainty ( about 3" diameter) 
leaves. The fruits are so
   small that 
they are not useful for eating. The seeds are black, about 
1/4" long X 1/8" wide. I was told by someone that it is seen in 
Florida also

[Assam] Some sanskrit translations needed

2005-08-20 Thread umesh sharma

Hi,

Can you find any or is there a mistake in the translation?

Umesh

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RE: [Assam] Hi Group.............

2005-08-20 Thread mc mahant

If you love your place and want to see your 2.6--2.8 Crore brothers and 
sisters busy as equal humans in a equal world order, the Assamese have to 
have total say in their governance and not by what Nehru's Lawyers wrote in 
their Constitution of '50.
It's a pity that lots of Assamese have degrees but alas No Education. Why 
should ULFA alone revolt?

Keep thinking and talking.
Take time asking 'Is India heading Somewhere?'
What if India broke up without bloodshed - USSR Style? Who will gain and who 
lose?

mm



From: umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: bhriti choudhury [EMAIL PROTECTED],  mc mahant 
[EMAIL PROTECTED], assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu

Subject: RE: [Assam] Hi Group.
Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 19:31:18 +0100 (BST)

a frank statement!

Umesh

bhriti choudhury [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Mike,

I am writing this mail with the reference to the mail you sent. Actually 
i'm not at all agree with your view that we need to join ULFA to save 
Assam. I think now a days ULFA has become a bunch of jokers, which are 
being controlled by some forigen nations. At one point of time i was also a 
big fan of ULFA n their idologies. But now they have lost their goal 
completely. Now it has become the institution of some bekar jobless youth. 
They are only there for the sake of money and nothing else. They dont even 
know the meaning of Swadhinota. I dont think by killing some people 
you'll be able to get the independence.


I know there are many problems we the people of Assam are facing. But by 
killing some innocent people we won't be able to solve the problem. There 
should be some proper talks between the Central Govt. and ULFA to solve the 
whole problem. The BLT people has set an example before us. Atleast they 
have got some aid from the Central Govt. and job for their people. I guess 
amuthi manuhe biplab jiyai rakhibo noware. And if you get a survey done 
on the support ULFA getting from the people of Assam, I guess you won't 
find more than 20% people supports them.


Well I'm not trying to be judgemental, Its the way what i feel. Coz i also 
love my place n people very much. Hope you won't mind. Hope to see your 
reply soon.


Bye

Bhriti


mc mahant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Join Ulfa,
Save Assam.
Save Yourself.
Save Indiaby becoming Truly Independant
Save the World
You are wasting your time at Harvard.
Apply now on the Internet--all of you doubting Thomases.
Mukul Mahant





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[Assam] RE: JOKAI / JAKOI

2005-08-20 Thread Alpana B. Sarangapani

Thanks!
Julungar mekuri etia-he ulal jen paisoo. Jakoi khon sukot thoute thoute ghorot xeitu sukor naam Jakoisuk/Jokaisuk hoi pisot jega dukhoror naamei Jokaisuk holgoi jen pao.
As far as my memory goes (I can vaguely remember now)-thename also used to mean an interior place, similar to what C'da also said.Like, people would say: tumar ghor town-ote houk baa jokai-sukot-e houk - eitu bostu aami tumar ghorotpousai diboloi eku digdari naai.



From: "Barua25" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: "Alpana B. Sarangapani" [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED],assam@pikespeak.uccs.eduSubject: JOKAI / JAKOIDate: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 15:31:04 -0500



Alpana:
Both theAssamese words JOKAI and JAKOImean the same,'a kind of bamboo scoop with a handle used to catch fish'. Looks like this is a pure Assamese word not to found in Bengali or Hindi.
Barua

- Original Message - 
From: Alpana B. Sarangapani 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu 
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 9:24 AM
Subject: RE: [Assam] Jokaisuk: Ganesh da


Jokai has nothing to do with Jakoi, has it? 
Ne, Jokai-r kotha patute patute, sukot pori thoka Jakoi khonor kotha hothate monot pori jakoi-khonoke loi campus-ot maas-kaaso dhoriboloi loisa neki, Priyankoo? 



From: "priyankoo sarma" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: priyankoo sarma [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: assam@pikespeak.uccs.eduSubject: [Assam] Jokaisuk: Ganesh daDate: 20 Aug 2005 14:09:57 -
Ganesh da,Thanks for reminding about jokai India and all. In fact Jokai T.E. Hospital was very famous at one time! I have been reading about the jokaisuk discussion but somehow it never reminded me of jokai and jokaisuk in Doomdooma. koy nohoy bole "agote maasto bogolito kona!"O ganesh da, amaar campusot kaso sai kenekuwa pale raizok kobo akou!ThanksPriyankoo Dex mathoeta dharona,thikonar xexxari... The mostimportant thingin lifeis neverto forgetwho youare... http://plaza.ufl.edu/priyanku 
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Re: [Assam] Re: ref: my introduction

Thats really interesting! But one thing confused me.

"The word pul is not there in Hindi but in Bengali."

All my Hindi speaking friends and even people giving road directions when uenquire about locationsin North India call the bridge "PUL". So, I've consulted the hindi dictionary. And infact the word "PUL" for bridge is not there. The correct word is "Setu". Maybe they use the arabic (urdu) word "pul"colloquially. Interesting.
Muktikam Phukan
Barua25 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:




Jokai is also called jakoi, is not it? I think it is good Assamese word. I wonder if the word is in other Indian languages.
That brings usto the question of the other word; SUK. Jokai-suk, Doha-Bora Suk, Hazarika Suk etc. 
The word suk, I could not find in Hindi or Bengali but only in Assamese. The Arabic has a similar word suk meaning bazar. I am not sure if the Assamese suk came from the Arabic direct. InJorhat we have a market called Sok Bazar.This Sok I think is same as Arabic Suk meaning Bazar. Although in Assamese the meaning of the word suk written as 'corner', I find it hard to believe that Jokai Suk, Doha Bora Suk really mean 'corner'. At one time these words might have meant 'bazar' or 'hat'. It is possible that the Arabic Suk has connection to the Assamese suk. Another such interesting Assamese word is the word pul (bridge). (Xi pulot bohi ase). Th!
e word
 pul is not there in Hindi but in Bengali. Also it is in Persian. In Assamese there many such words of Arabic origin which are not found in other Indian languages. Incidently all the following Assamese words are of Arabic origin, These are probably in many other Indian languages: nogod, joma, khoros, khobor, kagoj, kolom, kitab, mosgul, hajir, ohmok, hakim, rokom, dewai, masul, khotom, julum, khali, khalas, malik, sotur, tarikh, son (year), nojor, harami etc
Interesting!!
Rajen Barua.
. 

- Original Message - 
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
To: assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu 
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 11:45 PM
Subject: RE: [Assam] Re: ref: my introduction

I want to add something in this regard ... 

 'Jokai' is afamiliar namein Assam.If you go through theassamese newspapers regularly youwill 
 come acrossmany places called 'Jokai' situated indifferent parts of Assam.
 Ipersonally know a placecalled 'Jokai' ( including a village and a big reserve forest called 'Jokai reserve forest' ), which is 
 around 10Km away from Dibrugarh towards Burhidihing river.

Every one must be knowing the company called 'Jokai India Limited'. 

 
 C.R.Baruah 

-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Chan MahantaSent: 19 August 2005 08:05To: utpal borpujari; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu; [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [Assam] Re: ref: my introduction

Welcome Utpal. Our paths crossed before. I am sure you remember. Congrats. again on your fine efforts.


Thanks for correcting me. I had a vague idea that there indeed is a place called Jokaisuk, but was never clear on where it stood. Turns out it is less than ten miles from my birth-'muluk' :-). But like Ram suggests, it can become a generic but quintessentially kharkhowa, obscure and humble locale, that many of us can claim our roots to. In that it is a band of honor that we proudly wear.


Best,

c-da







At 5:36 PM +0100 8/18/05, utpal borpujari wrote:

Hi all. Just a few things:
1. "Actually Jokaisuk is a mythical 'muluk', from which both Tilok Daktor and myself, as well as a host of other kharkhowas can and do hail."
- Chandan-da, Jokaisuk, as far as I know (correct me if I am wrong) is not a 'mythical muluk'. In fact, quite contrary to the image the name gives, it is located right on the national highway between Amguri and Sivasagar, before one reaches Gaurisagar.
2. "I thinik our journaluist new comer friend is 'bhoyote touba touba khaise'.- RAJEN"
Bhoi khowa nai. I am actually quite excited that what I thought was just a mere introductory mail from me, and thereby obviously my first mail to the group, has led to such an interesting discussion.
3. Manoj-da (of Assam Association, Delhi) and ShantikamHazarika : Thanks for mentioning about my winning the national Best film critic Swarna Kamal award in 2003 and being a jury member at the national film awards this year. This kind of constant encouragement helps in thinking of doing something better.
4. A request to everyone in the group: unless there is some kind of rule about this, please delete all the previous mails (except may be the mail to which one is replying to) while hitting the reply button. Otherwise, this makes the mailers very voluminous, with the same mails being appended at the bottom of each mail repetatively.
- Utpal



  



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Re: [Assam] Re: ref: my introduction

2005-08-19 Thread Barua25




Thanks. I was also looking at my Hindi dictionary 
where I did not find the word pul. But it is there in Bengali. 
I did not know that in Hindi they use the wrod though. What about the Assamese 
word hat (bazar).? It is a very typical word in Assamese. 
(Jorhat, Borhat, etc). . Do they use it in Hindi. I see it in 
Bengali dictionary?. 
Rajen Barua

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  muktikam 
  phukan 
  To: Barua25 ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu 
  Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 1:15 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [Assam] Re: ref: my 
  introduction
  
  Thats really interesting! But one thing confused me.
  
  "The word pul is not there in 
  Hindi but in Bengali."
  
  All my Hindi speaking friends and even people giving 
  road directions when uenquire about locationsin North 
  India call the bridge "PUL". So, I've consulted the hindi dictionary. And 
  infact the word "PUL" for bridge is not there. The correct word is "Setu". 
  Maybe they use the arabic (urdu) word "pul"colloquially. 
  Interesting.
  Muktikam Phukan
  Barua25 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  



Jokai is also called 
jakoi, is not it? I think it is good Assamese word. I 
wonder if the word is in other Indian languages.
That brings usto the question of the 
other word; SUK. Jokai-suk, 
Doha-Bora Suk, Hazarika Suk etc. 

The word 
suk, I could not find in Hindi or Bengali but only in 
Assamese. The Arabic has a similar word suk meaning 
bazar. I am not sure if the Assamese suk 
came from the Arabic direct. InJorhat we have a market called 
Sok Bazar.This Sok I think is same 
as Arabic Suk meaning Bazar. Although in Assamese the 
meaning of the word suk written as 'corner', I find it hard 
to believe that Jokai Suk, Doha Bora Suk 
really mean 'corner'. At one time these words might have meant 
'bazar' or 'hat'. It is possible that the 
Arabic Suk has connection to the Assamese 
suk. Another such interesting Assamese word is the word 
pul (bridge). (Xi pulot bohi 
ase). Th! e word pul is not there in Hindi 
but in Bengali. Also it is in Persian. In Assamese there many such words of 
Arabic origin which are not found in other Indian languages. Incidently all 
the following Assamese words are of Arabic origin, These are probably in 
many other Indian languages: nogod, joma, khoros, khobor, kagoj, 
kolom, kitab, mosgul, hajir, ohmok, hakim, rokom, dewai, masul, khotom, 
julum, khali, khalas, malik, sotur, tarikh, son (year), nojor, 
harami etc
Interesting!!
Rajen 
Barua.
. 

  - Original Message - 
      From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu 
  Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 11:45 
  PM
  Subject: RE: [Assam] Re: ref: my 
  introduction
  
  I 
  want to add something in this regard ... 
  
   
  'Jokai' is afamiliar namein Assam.If you go 
  through theassamese newspapers 
  regularly youwill 
  
   
  come acrossmany places called 'Jokai' situated 
  indifferent parts of Assam.
   
  Ipersonally know a placecalled 'Jokai' ( including a village 
  and a big reserve forest called 'Jokai reserve forest' ), which is 
  
   
  around 10Km away from Dibrugarh towards Burhidihing 
  river.
  
  Every 
  one must be knowing the company called 'Jokai India Limited'. 
  
  
   
  
   
  C.R.Baruah 
  
  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Chan 
  MahantaSent: 19 August 2005 08:05To: utpal 
  borpujari; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu; 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [Assam] Re: ref: my 
  introduction
  
Welcome Utpal. Our paths crossed before. I am sure you remember. 
Congrats. again on your fine efforts.


Thanks for correcting me. I had a vague idea that there indeed is a 
place called Jokaisuk, but was never clear on where it stood. Turns out 
it is less than ten miles from my birth-'muluk' :-). But like Ram 
suggests, it can become a generic but quintessentially kharkhowa, 
obscure and humble locale, that many of us can claim our roots to. In 
that it is a band of honor that we proudly wear.


Best,

c-da







At 5:36 PM +0100 8/18/05, utpal borpujari wrote:

  Hi all. Just a few things:
  1. "Actually Jokaisuk is a mythical 'muluk', from which 
both Tilok Daktor and myself, as well as a host of other kharkhowas 
can and do hail."
  - Chandan-da, Jokai

RE: [Assam] Bhaina + Sankardeb Tithi at Delhi on 24th August 2005

2005-08-19 Thread Mridul Bhuyan

The real problem is getting a day off from office. Next day is also an open day. Anyway, the initiative by association for organising the event is praiseworthy.

Mridul

"Alpana B. Sarangapani" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Since childhood, this has been my dream to watch Bhaona, an all-nighter, that is. One more reason to retire in Assam - even if it takes you 15/20 years todo that. :)
During Durga Puja they used to always havefuctions with Oxomiya Naat-Bhaona, 'Oja-Paali', etc. for the whole night. But we were not allowed to be there for the whole night. 
They used to also have 'Jaatra-parti's there. I knew they had episodes from Ramayan, Mahabharat etc. in those Jaatra parties. What else do they include? 
Any detailed info on Oja-Paali and how is it related to Xotriya dance? And is there an easy definition of 'Bhaona', anybody? Or a book where all these are explained? Thanks!
And once again, welcome everyone to this net where you canspeak your mind without any inhibitions and no show-offs. :)


From: bg [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Assam@pikespeak.uccs.eduSubject: [Assam] Bhaina + Sankardeb Tithi at Delhi on 24th August 2005Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 10:24:11 +0530
Sankardeva Tihi celebration with a Bhaona (whole night!) is planned for 24th August next in Delhi.. by Assam Asociation .. 

On 8/18/05, Mridul Bhuyan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 

Hi Bhriti,

Welcome. I am Mridul from Delhi. The reason I am writting to you that, while I was doing engineering from Jorhat, my father was posted in Kokrajhar. It was a very nice place to live in at that time (1983-84). But after the Bodo agitation, the scenario changed. I don't know how is it now. I have very fond memories of that place. Being in Delhi, pls. keep in touch. We usually meet during the functions organised by Assam association. 

Be happy.

Mridul 
Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Welcome Bhriti. Tell us something more about yourself,your studies and your future plans. That will be a good way to get a conversation going.

I am a fifty-nine year old geezer :-), from St. Louis, an architect by profession, originally from Namti.

Best,

cm








At 12:43 PM -0700 8/17/05, bhriti choudhury wrote:
Hi Everybody,

I am new to this group. Let me first introduce myself, I am Bhriti Bhushan Choudhury ... I am doing MCA in Delhi. I from Kokrajhar. I guess some of you have heard of that place... Its a very remote place near about 240 KMs West from Guwahati. Now it has become the capital of BTC (Bodo Teritorial Council). Neways hope to get some response from you people. 

Bye

Bhriti
  



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Re: [Assam] New member

2005-08-19 Thread Prasenjit Chetia

Welcome Akash and Apratim;
Akash, I guess I remember you, and probably I met you at GHY -Ref.
There was a SUNE450 , and I went there for a system board replacement.

Apu , how is your family ? Great to learn that you are doing good.
Keep in touch.

Prasenjit
Middlesex,London

On 8/18/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Hi everybody,
 
 Myself is Akash Barua, working in Indian Oil for last 7 years after a brief
 period in Tezpur University ( that was 1998, Where I met Prof. J. Kalita
 and learnt  LINUX OS specially for him and lot more )
 
 Apratim , U r From NERIST ? I think ?
 
 Liza , Hello to you ? Nice to get ur mail.
 
 Actually, I am a computer Engineer but doing HR job since last two years.
 Right now we in Guwahati Refinery are doing lot of KAIZEN -- suggestion
 scheme, TPM ( with cooperation from CII) etc and we also have SIX SIGMA
 projects. So basically I am involved in these jobs -- co-ordinating that the
 show goes on sucessfully.
 
 
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Re: [Assam] Re: ref: my introduction

Yes. The word"hut" is very much in vogue in the Hindi language. But they pronounce it as "HAAT" e.g. the Dilli Haat. They mean something like a fair(mela ) by this word.

Muktikam PhukanBarua25 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Thanks. I was also looking at my Hindi dictionary where I did not find the word pul. But it is there in Bengali. I did not know that in Hindi they use the wrod though. What about the Assamese word hat (bazar).? It is a very typical word in Assamese. (Jorhat, Borhat, etc). . Do they use it in Hindi. I see it in Bengali dictionary?. 
Rajen Barua

- Original Message - 
From: muktikam phukan 
To: Barua25 ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu 
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 1:15 AM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Re: ref: my introduction

Thats really interesting! But one thing confused me.

"The word pul is not there in Hindi but in Bengali."

All my Hindi speaking friends and even people giving road directions when uenquire about locationsin North India call the bridge "PUL". So, I've consulted the hindi dictionary. And infact the word "PUL" for bridge is not there. The correct word is "Setu". Maybe they use the arabic (urdu) word "pul"colloquially. Interesting.
Muktikam Phukan
Barua25 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:




Jokai is also called jakoi, is not it? I think it is good Assamese word. I wonder if the word is in other Indian languages.
That brings usto the question of the other word; SUK. Jokai-suk, Doha-Bora Suk, Hazarika Suk etc. 
The word suk, I could not find in Hindi or Bengali but only in Assamese. The Arabic has a similar word suk meaning bazar. I am not sure if the Assamese suk came from the Arabic direct. InJorhat we have a market called Sok Bazar.This Sok I think is same as Arabic Suk meaning Bazar. Although in Assamese the meaning of the word suk written as 'corner', I find it hard to believe that Jokai Suk, Doha Bora Suk really mean 'corner'. At one time these words might have meant 'bazar' or 'hat'. It is possible that the Arabic Suk has connection to the Assamese suk. Another such interesting Assamese word is the word pul (bridge). (Xi pulot bohi ase). Th!
! e word
 pul is not there in Hindi but in Bengali. Also it is in Persian. In Assamese there many such words of Arabic origin which are not found in other Indian languages. Incidently all the following Assamese words are of Arabic origin, These are probably in many other Indian languages: nogod, joma, khoros, khobor, kagoj, kolom, kitab, mosgul, hajir, ohmok, hakim, rokom, dewai, masul, khotom, julum, khali, khalas, malik, sotur, tarikh, son (year), nojor, harami etc
Interesting!!
Rajen Barua.
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Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 11:45 PM
Subject: RE: [Assam] Re: ref: my introduction

I want to add something in this regard ... 

 'Jokai' is afamiliar namein Assam.If you go through theassamese newspapers regularly youwill 
 come acrossmany places called 'Jokai' situated indifferent parts of Assam.
 Ipersonally know a placecalled 'Jokai' ( including a village and a big reserve forest called 'Jokai reserve forest' ), which is 
 around 10Km away from Dibrugarh towards Burhidihing river.

Every one must be knowing the company called 'Jokai India Limited'. 

 
 C.R.Baruah 

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Welcome Utpal. Our paths crossed before. I am sure you remember. Congrats. again on your fine efforts.


Thanks for correcting me. I had a vague idea that there indeed is a place called Jokaisuk, but was never clear on where it stood. Turns out it is less than ten miles from my birth-'muluk' :-). But like Ram suggests, it can become a generic but quintessentially kharkhowa, obscure and humble locale, that many of us can claim our roots to. In that it is a band of honor that we proudly wear.


Best,

c-da







At 5:36 PM +0100 8/18/05, utpal borpujari wrote:

Hi all. Just a few things:
1. "Actually Jokaisuk is a mythical 'muluk', from which both Tilok Daktor and myself, as well as a host of other kharkhowas can and do hail."
- Chandan-da, Jokaisuk, as far as I know (correct me if I am wrong) is not a 'mythical muluk'. In fact, quite contrary to the image the name gives, it is located right on the national highway between Amguri and Sivasagar, before one reaches Gaurisagar.
2. "I thinik our journaluist new comer friend is 'bhoyote touba touba khaise'.- RAJEN"
Bhoi khowa nai. I am actually quite excited that what I thought was just a mere introductory mail from me, and thereby obviously my first mail to the group, has led to such an interesting discussion.
3. Manoj-da (of Assam Assoc

Re: [Assam] NE TV's Ekap Half Chah programme

2005-08-19 Thread Prasenjit Chetia

But there is a big difference between calling somebody Apuni and
Toi. We use some greeting which are not there or maybe in a more
generalised form in English. As long as we talk in assamese we should
try to maintain its beauty and more importantly when someone speaks in
public to an elected representative he should maintain certain
decorum.
Now, have you seen a British greet a Knighted gentleman /peer without
using Sir/Lord in the TV ?

Prasenjit

On 8/18/05, Dilip/Dil Deka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I really do not see any problem in the use of tumi as long as neither Mr.
 Bhuyan and Mr. Sarma had any objection. After all there are three accepted
 forms of you in Assamese - Apuni, Tumi and Toi, and they are used as
 appropriate between two people.
 If Bhuyan used Apuni just for the show, it would have been artificial and
 probably would have put a barrier in the flow of words.
  
 Dilip Deka 
  
 
 
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 Hello everybody
  
 I've a small observation to make. Recently I've been to Sivasagar for some
 official job. It was nice to see the TV channel called NE TV catering to all
 the major languages of NE including Sikkim. One of the programme I saw was a
 Talk Show titled Ekap Half Chah. The anchor Sri Atanu Bhuyan was
 interviewing a young Assam Minister, Sri Himanta Biswa Sarma. But, I was
 really astonished to hear Sri Bhuyan calling Sri Sarma TUMI all through
 the programme. Is it not really very unprofessional? Even if Sri Sarma is
 very junior to Sri Bhuyan or even if they r very good friends, some decorum
 should have been maintained in such public programmes by calling him
 APUNI. After all he is a H'ble Minister of the Govt of Assam, duly elected
 by the people of Jalukbari. These r small things but if taken care of will
 go a long way in improving the programmes of this budding channel. 
 My observation has nothing personal against anybody and I may kindly be
 corrected if I m wrong.
  
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Re: [Assam] NE TV's Ekap Half Chah programme

You r right Mr. Chetia. But why should we look at the Brits. Lets see any Talk Show by the established National TV Channels. They never use "Tum" or "Tu". "Aap" is what they invariably use. Of course deviants r the channels like "V" or "MTV". But I believe "NE TV" is no " V" or "MTV".

Muktikam PhukanPrasenjit Chetia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But there is a big difference between calling somebody "Apuni" and"Toi". We use some greeting which are not there or maybe in a moregeneralised form in English. As long as we talk in assamese we shouldtry to maintain its beauty and more importantly when someone speaks inpublic to an elected representative he should maintain certaindecorum.Now, have you seen a British greet a Knighted gentleman /peer withoutusing Sir/Lord in the TV ?PrasenjitOn 8/18/05, Dilip/Dil Deka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: I really do not see any problem in the use of "tumi" as long as neither Mr. Bhuyan and Mr. Sarma had any objection. After all there are three accepted forms of "you" in Assamese - "Apuni, Tumi and Toi", and they are used as appropriate between two people. If Bhuyan used "Apuni" just for the show, it wou!
ld have
been artificial and probably would have put a barrier in the flow of words. Dilip Deka muktikam phukan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: Hello everybody I've a small observation to make. Recently I've been to Sivasagar for some official job. It was nice to see the TV channel called NE TV catering to all the major languages of NE including Sikkim. One of the programme I saw was a Talk Show titled "Ekap Half Chah". The anchor Sri Atanu Bhuyan was interviewing a young Assam Minister, Sri Himanta Biswa Sarma. But, I was really astonished to hear Sri Bhuyan calling Sri Sarma "TUMI" all through the programme. Is it not really very unprofessional? Even if Sri Sarma is very junior to Sri Bhuyan or even if they r very good friends, some decorum should have been maintained in such public programmes by calling him "APUNI". A!
fter all
he is a H'ble Minister of the Govt of Assam, duly elected by the people of Jalukbari. These r small things but if taken care of will go a long way in improving the programmes of this budding channel. My observation has nothing personal against anybody and I may kindly be corrected if I m wrong. Muktikam Phukan ____ Check out Yahoo! India Rakhi Special for Rakhi shopping, contests and lots more. http://in.promos.yahoo.com/rakhi/index.html ___ Assam mailing list Assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam Mailing list FAQ: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.html To unsubscribe or change options: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam
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[Assam] Introduction

2005-08-19 Thread Dipankar Malla Baruah (Well Logging)

Sambhashan everyone,

I am Dipangkar Malla Baruah, working in Oil India Ltd presently posted in 
Duliajan, Assam as Dy Supdng Engineer. I did BE in electronics from VRCE (REC), 
Nagpur in 1993. I will like to interact with the people who love Assam in 
different part of the world.

Dipangkar


With regards
D M Baruah
Dy Supdng Engineer
Well Logging Deptt
Oil India Ltd
Duliajan - 786 602
Assam
Phone : 0374 2803017 (R)094350 39820 (M)

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Re: [Assam] Introduction