Re: eloquence on IOS.
Re: eloquence on IOS. The thing is...There are many of us who like eloquence. Then there are the ones who hate it, and that's ok.But I think that if they do it like on android, an app that will be paid, they will get some profit. I personally looked at the iPhone voices and I hate them. I use the reed voice, the Italian one on eloquence and hate all other existent voices. I am not good at writing petitions, but if someone knows how to make their words bond together and flow so it would sound good, I would sign it. And I know others who would do the same. Some of my friends are on android only because eloquence isn't on iPhones. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=353363#p353363 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: eloquence on IOS.
Re: eloquence on IOS. Yeah, the point I was trying to make is that eSpeak itself will only speak so fast, and then it needs to kick over to Sonic, which artificially boosts it. In NVDA, that's triggered by the user hitting the rate boost checkbox. It sounds good up to a point, but if you take it too far, it gets a weird raspiness or roughness in the voice. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=352213#p352213 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: eloquence on IOS.
Re: eloquence on IOS. No problem. I agree with you there about it sounding bad, but I know there are people who use it at extremely high rates. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=352209#p352209 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: eloquence on IOS.
Re: eloquence on IOS. yeah I know, but I was just saying it doesn't sound good above a certain threshold. Also, sorry about the fool remark, I was annoyed about something else earlier when I posted that, incidentally, I thought I removed it before I hit post, but I must have not hit delete or something. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=352189#p352189 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: eloquence on IOS.
Re: eloquence on IOS. Oh you mean that Espeak uses the library, well yeah of course it does. There is even an eloquence NVDA addon with rate boost support. When people talk about fast rates though, they don't mean just the rate boost option but the rate in general. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=352181#p352181 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: eloquence on IOS.
Re: eloquence on IOS. its speaking faster but that library is boosting it, its not like eSpeak is doing it by itself, yeah looking back on that post I realize it could have been worded a little more clearly. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=352176#p352176 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: eloquence on IOS.
Re: eloquence on IOS. So before calling me a fool, I didn't really see where does it prove that it does not speak faster as you said. Let's place a quote from the library you linked to yourself:Sonic is a simple algorithm for speeding up or slowing down speech. However,it's optimized for speed ups of over 2X, unlike previous algorithms for changingspeech rate. The Sonic library is a very simple ANSI C library that is designedto easily be integrated into streaming voice applications, like TTS back ends.So I don't really see what you are talking about here, but if speeding up the output means that the TTS will not speak faster, ok then. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=352161#p352161 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: eloquence on IOS.
Re: eloquence on IOS. It uses this library to do it, its called Sonic. essentially speeding up the output. So ,yes, it is as I say, and why not do a little research so you know what you're talking about and don't look like a fool. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=352141#p352141 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: eloquence on IOS.
Re: eloquence on IOS. Um, of course it does make it speak faster, it is just a matter of whether you will get used to it. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=352138#p352138 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: eloquence on IOS.
Re: eloquence on IOS. That rate boost thing is only some sort of wave reshaper though, it doesn't make it speak any faster, and if you go much about 15 with it on, you start to hear weird artifacts. It's really a subjective thing, I for one don't like the metallic, robotic, harsh sound it produces, while others just see a synth that does reasonably well at fast speeds. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=351822#p351822 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: eloquence on IOS.
Re: eloquence on IOS. And Espeak, whether you like it or not, isn't as crappy as one makes it out to be. It can do great at fast speeds. Natural voices always end up slurring their speech as the speed gets faster. They're getting better at avoiding this, but a lot of them still do. As for espeak with voiceover? Someone did it, but not sure where it went. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=351764#p351764 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: eloquence on IOS.
Re: eloquence on IOS. Crap or not, your great Apple will never support as many languages as Espeak, so for some of us it is not even an option to use them. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=351756#p351756 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: eloquence on IOS.
Re: eloquence on IOS. Considering just how terrible espeak is on windows with NVDA, I don't even want to think about it being ported to mac. Its abcilutely crap. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=351743#p351743 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: eloquence on IOS.
Re: eloquence on IOS. Don't want to look back either. But just wanted to see how fast is and responsive of Espeak on Mac. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=351729#p351729 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: eloquence on IOS.
Re: eloquence on IOS. Ever since switching to a Mac, any Windows speech synthesizer sounds so dull now. I'll tell you why, too. MacinTalk focuses on a whole paragraph of text, and actually takes advantage of that. Windows screen readers only deal with clauses, usually. Even the great open source eSpeak doesn't really have the ability to process what we throw at it. It just looks at parts of speech in a phrase, whereas Apple looks at word usage within a whole paragraph. Is it perfect? No. But Alex, and Fred for those who like the flow of formant speech, are paragraphs ahead of Eloquence. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=351724#p351724 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: eloquence on IOS.
Re: eloquence on IOS. @75 this sound is across 4 different machines though. My old i7 desktop I don't have anymore, my lenovo laptop which bit the dust, a borrowed laptop while I was getting up the money to buy a new one, and this one that I have currently. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=351723#p351723 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: eloquence on IOS.
Re: eloquence on IOS. This might be a silly idea. But if someone could compile Espeak to works with VoiceOver on the Mac, would be awesome. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=351719#p351719 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: eloquence on IOS.
Re: eloquence on IOS. Something tells me it may also depend on the soundcard you're using. I know that once when I was stuck with Microsoft's generic sound driver for a time, every synth had an edgy sound, very annoying. Espeak has always always had a nice sound on my mac's soundcard, but then again the onboard speakers on that thing are probably better than most off the shelf pc's, or at least those that I've used. The old Dell Inspiren1545 with IDT audio, for example, crackled at high volume, a lot. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=351706#p351706 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: eloquence on IOS.
Re: eloquence on IOS. hmm, not bad, though its still got that mid crackle thing going on, I don't know what that's about, but it just came with eSpeak with NVDA around 2016.2 or there abouts and has been there ever since. Sapi eSpeak does not do this, and linux eSpeak doesn't do it either, actually I think it happened when they switched it to eSpeak NG.I don't know what it is, crackles probably not the best way to describe it, its just unpleasant and weird. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=351701#p351701 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: eloquence on IOS.
Re: eloquence on IOS. It works on nvda. It technically does work with the sapi espeak, but the inflection control isn't as direct so it won't sound as good. At any rate, [url="" />Save it without any file extension, then copy it into /synth drivers/espeak-ng/voices/v. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=351699#p351699 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: eloquence on IOS.
Re: eloquence on IOS. I love Espeak and got used to it, people just need to give it a better chance. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=351698#p351698 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: eloquence on IOS.
Re: eloquence on IOS. Yeah sure post it, I'll check it out, can it be made to work with NVDA, or just the sapi eSpeak. I wasn't able to get custom variants working in NVDA. I don't expect it to make me convert, but I'll check it out just the same. eSpeak makes me cringe so hard it ain't even funny. Admittedly, its better on Linux. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=351693#p351693 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: eloquence on IOS.
Re: eloquence on IOS. They keep drivers for hardware synths, but they have long-since stopped supporting them within Jaws. Even older software synths. Dectalk could technically work just fine on windows versions as current as 10. Window Eyes has always had it as a default till the day it died, and nvda has it as an addon. But Fs dumped Access32 support the first chance they got. Can we call that right? No. And I'm stepping on toes here, but while I do agree that Eloquence is the most popular synth by and large, it is, in my humble opinion a relic. I have been using Espeak, yes Espeak, for years now, and I can say it does the job very nicely. Yes, I will admit, I cooked up a custom variant. But that's the thing. You don't like the Espeak's voice, you can always manipulate it. And that's not new, as Hal let you make custom voices and interface to a synth's various parameters, Dectalk in particular. But Espeak being open sourced allows you full access to parameters. Hell, if anyone wants my custom variant, I wouldn't mind posting it up here. Rate boost it to 15% and you've got a pretty damn good voice. But I digress. As god as Eloquence has been to us as far as constant tone and all, it is not the end-all-be-all. I think Dectalk was and is better, honestly. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=351690#p351690 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: eloquence on IOS.
Re: eloquence on IOS. One day Jaws will probably get rid of Eloquence, it is just a matter of time. Then again, they still keep legacy drivers even for old hardware speech synths, so that will probably take a while, however just due to the fact Eloquence will never get updated compatibility issues will eventually arise, and people will need to get used to the change. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=351684#p351684 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: eloquence on IOS.
Re: eloquence on IOS. Steve Jobs was an innovator for sure. I don't get that vibe from Tim Cook. It seems to be about the bottom dollar for him. For that matter, I see a lot of parallels between him and Satya Nadela. The only thing is, Tim Cook inherited a legacy, Satya's trying to copy everything Apple does, and look where that gets them. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=351674#p351674 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: eloquence on IOS.
Re: eloquence on IOS. I think the fact that jaws which has held the lion's share of the screen reader market for decades, has had eloquence as its default voice for so long says a lot. The people at FS aren't fools. If there were a better synth, or just one that most users preferred, eloquence would be a relic now. VoiceOver is mostly an accessibility feature rather than a useful convenience for the sighted, so not having the most popular synth among the visually impaired as an option seems a little strange. I don't think anyone's suggesting it should be the default voice, and I personally wouldn't use it for that even if it were a choice, but I would like it for reading narrative text where rhythm really matters. And I think this is the crux: voices like Alex and the Siri voice do a perfectly decent job of reading dry text, so there's very little need for eloquence on an iPhone. It would be nice if it were available for Voice Dream though. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=351650#p351650 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: eloquence on IOS.
Re: eloquence on IOS. I think the fact that jaws which has held the lion's share of the screen reader market for decades, has had eloquence as its default voice for so long says a lot. The people at FS aren't fools. If there were a better synth, or just one that most users preferred, eloquence would be a relic now. VoiceOver is mostly an accessibility feature rather than a useful convenience for the sighted, so not having the most popular synth among the visually impaired as an option seems a little strange. I don't think anyone's suggesting it should be the default voice, and I personally wouldn't use it for that even if it were a choice, but I would like it for reading narrative text where rhythm really matters. And I think this is the crux: voices like Alex and the Siri voice do a perfectly decent job of reading dry text, so there's very little need for eloquence on an iPhone. It would be nice if it were available for Voice Dream though. It's Nuance's apparent stranglehold on eloquence that puzzle's me. The thing is pretty much abandonware. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=351650#p351650 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: eloquence on IOS.
Re: eloquence on IOS. I've been reading all these, the topic seems interesting. Thing is, Apple right now is only wants money for the most part. I think when Steve still alive, he was doing a great job with the quality and usage of Apple devices. But now, Since Tim Cook take over the job from Steve, he's doing worse and worse. Feel free to hate me on this, but I saw many complains about Tim's job with Apple. You know, on Facebook page of MacRumors, whenever Macrumors posted about bugs in macOS or iOS devices, some people started to bitching about Tim. I don't know how many people on this forum agree with them, but they're right. All he wants is "Hey, I got a new product, check it out." But whenever people reported bugs or wanting something new for their OS usage, "Hell no! All I wanted is money, ya know. These features request will be considered, but I'm not sure our team will implemented."So, if Steve were to manage Apple like before, do you think will he listen to the users request to porting something to the OS, I'd say yes. He's likely willing to listen to our request more than Tim, I think. Because he's already implemented the Accessibility features on all Apple devices, so why can't he, or I should say, his team port Eloquence into iOS or macOS devices?Sorry for my English guys. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=351629#p351629 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: eloquence on IOS.
Re: eloquence on IOS. I've been reading all these, the topic seems interesting. Thing is, Apple right now is only wants money for the most part. I think when Steve still alive, he was doing a great job with the quality and usage of Apple devices. But now, Since Tim Cook take over the job from Steve, he's doing worse and worse. Feel free to hate me on this, but I saw many complains about Tim's job with Apple. You know, on Facebook page of MacRumors, whenever Macrumors posted about bugs in macOS or iOS devices, some people started to bitching about Tim. I don't know how many people on this forum agree with them, but they're right. All he wants is "Hey, I got a new product, check it out." But whenever people reported bugs or wanting something new for their OS usage, "Hell no! All I wanted is money, ya know. These features request will be considered, but I'm not sure our team will implemented."So, if Steve were to manage Apple like before, do you think will he listen to the users request to porting something to the OS, I'd say yes. He's likely willing to listen to our request more than Tim, I think. Because he's already implemented the Accessibility features on all Apple devices, so why can he, or I should say, his team port Eloquence into iOS or macOS devices?Sorry for my English guys. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=351629#p351629 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: eloquence on IOS.
Re: eloquence on IOS. Maybe someone could tweak Fred to sound more like eloquence, who knows. It would never be exact, but it might be somewhat in the ball park URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=351610#p351610 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: eloquence on IOS.
Re: eloquence on IOS. You could argue that it could be a Simbian/windows mobile thing, but it was never, ever on any Apple product. Not even the mac, at least not officially. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=351600#p351600 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: eloquence on IOS.
Re: eloquence on IOS. Honestly I don't think eloquence even belongs on any apple products, it just seems some how wrong. Its what i've always used on my pc. It belongs on windows. It does not at all belong on apple. If eloquence was ever ported to apple, I might switch to it for a few minutes, make it say some stupid stuff like harhrhrhrhrhrhrhrhrh or hawhawhawhawhawhaw, then I would get bored with it, switch back to alex, and move on with my life. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=351598#p351598 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: eloquence on IOS.
Re: eloquence on IOS. Probably so. I'd like Takitron 2o to become more mainstream lol, that voice sounds so natural I literally can't tell it from the human samples URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=351473#p351473 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: eloquence on IOS.
Re: eloquence on IOS. as much as I don't want to discourage anyone I will say that investment vs return is most definitely a factor here. Text to speech synthesis has moved on from being simply a voice for our assistive devices and a toy for everyone else. It's become the driving force of many devices as well as future devices, been used across the phonelines long enough, and thus the focus has shifted entirely to human-sounding speech. As much as I do hate Nuance's practices and will say that Google and Deepmind have it in the bag with Wavenet, I will say that Apple has worked with Nuance on in-house tts voices that are used in siri. So text to speech is, now, first and foremost, giving voice to a device for everyone's sake. Consider responsive and fast speech secondary at this point. Am I saying Eloquence on IOS can't happen? No, not at all. But with such a small subculture of users using it, compared to everyone under the sun using Siri on their device, it would not be worth the continued royalties paid to Nuance for using yet another speech system that they own the rights to. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=351468#p351468 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: eloquence on IOS.
Re: eloquence on IOS. Well I won't go around in circles about it, you believe what you believe, I am a skeptic, a pecimist, I admit it, but what is a fact is nothing gets done if no action is taken. As in, the odds are 0. Maybe there's a 0.005% chance of it actually happening if we do get up a petition, but 0.005 is still higher than 0.If anyone were to create such a petition, as I've said, I'll sign it. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=351429#p351429 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: eloquence on IOS.
Re: eloquence on IOS. I don't have an iDevice; I have an Android. As I've said about petitions though, you've gotta be convincing. You'll never get more than 5000 signatures, tops, if your not convincing enough. I'd ask you to look at petitions such as This one as a convincing one and this one as a not so convincing one if I knew they'd help, but they probably won't. (Yes, the ladder one does have more supporters, ,but plays off of propaganda and irrational fear. The description makes that quite clear with phrases like "their deadly 'guns everywhere' agenda", "hostile foreign power", "broke the law" and "betrayed our country".) And, in case anyone asks, I don't believe the "Russians interfered with our elections" bullshit. The evidence I saw on the news (mainly, the IP address and tools they used) isn't hard evidence at all. It's like saying that you just "know" someone murdered someone else because you "remembered it happening". And normally, I'd go search for more information, but government services like the FBI use the news media as a mouthpiece so... anyway, that's a topic for another day. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=351412#p351412 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: eloquence on IOS.
Re: eloquence on IOS. I think a majority of the people here know how the world works, and have written to developers about accessibility issues. I'm not saying either that they care, though I have spoken to one apple rep who was very knowledgeable and did seem to, but one out of several hundred thousand employees doesn't make the image hold. I'm also not saying that its a guaranteed if we bitch loud enough. Probably the best course of action without flooding their inboxes would be to start up a petition and get as many signatures as we could get, I would say several thousand minimum, better if that number trended up to 50K. I'm not saying that will happen either, but the alternative, which is doing nothing won't accomplish anything either.I'd sign the petition, but I'm not really feeling the need to have eloquence on my iDevices. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=351404#p351404 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: eloquence on IOS.
Re: eloquence on IOS. Here's the problem with that idea of "taking initiative". Apple is not obligated to implement accessibility. They're not obligated to make their phones accessible. But we all already know that. That also means they're not obligated to add TTS voices we want. And if we send them a hundred emails, a thousand, etc the chance of them actually adding it is going to significantly diminish. If it doesn't earn them profit, chances are they won't add it. It's a common business aphorism for businesses like Apple: "If it doesn't earn us profit, it's not worth doing." And before you disregard my point, or begin generating points that try to invalidate i, think about what the accessibil...@apple.com email address does. It sends messages to the Apple Accessibility Team, which may or may not truly care about accessibility (just because it's there doesn't mean they care). Now, my reason for stating that they might not implement the feature if we bombard them with emails is simple: these are real people, reading these emails. And if they get hundreds to thousands of emails saying, basically, "Add the eloquence TS synthesizer to iOS," they'll get annoyed and start ignoring us. That's exactly the wrong thing to do. So if we want to take initiative, a few people need to get together on Skype, perhaps, and hash out a plan of some kind, bring it to this topic, and the community can give their input. But we can't just flood their inbox with emails from hundreds of people asking the same thing. We tried that with Valve and that got us absolutely nowhere. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=351399#p351399 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: eloquence on IOS.
Re: eloquence on IOS. Here's the problem with that idea of "taking initiative". Apple is not obligated to implement accessibility. They're not obligated to make their phones accessible. But we all already know that. That also means they're not obligated to add TTS voices we want. And if we send them a hundred emails, a thousand, etc the chance of them actually adding it is going to significantly diminish. If it doesn't earn them profit, chances are they won't add it. It's a common business aphorism for businesses like Apple: "If it doesn't earn us profit, it's not worth doing." URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=351399#p351399 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: eloquence on IOS. Exactly. If no one ever takes the initiative, nothing ever happens. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=351388#p351388 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: eloquence on IOS.
Re: eloquence on IOS. Your opinion is don't write to that email address because some people did and nothing happened. Don't you think that if even more people did it would encourage them to do it? Also, interesting that you state your opinions by assuming somebody didn't care to read the thread. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=351385#p351385 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: eloquence on IOS.
Re: eloquence on IOS. Not going to blame anyone, but all I did was state a fact and boom, this shit started. Guess even my opinion is not welcome without some kind of irritating comeback that accomplishes nothing. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=351383#p351383 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: eloquence on IOS.
Re: eloquence on IOS. @ironcross32 and EthinI think we've had enough of this flame war, neither one of you is accomplishing anything useful or constructive with it. So just agree to disagree and move on, please. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=351379#p351379 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: eloquence on IOS.
Re: eloquence on IOS. the _expression_ doesn't mean you act like a holy roller, it means you... well, never mind. Let's just say there are other people who are quite expert in their chosen fields who can talk about that knowledge openly without sounding like you do, and I'll leave it at that. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=351348#p351348 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: eloquence on IOS.
Re: eloquence on IOS. @50, it certainly seems like you have a grudge against me. I don't act like Gods own Stepchild -- if I did, I'd be practically preaching Christianity. My religious views are a bit complicated. Let's just say I'm 'in the middle' and leave it at that. Now, as for me googling a subject and acting arrogant about it... I only did that once. That was in another topic. And I didn't act like I was an expert on it about that subject. I haven't googled anything for this topic regarding post 47. I know that because I receive e-mails whenever a new petition is created on change.org, as I'm signed up to their mailing list. And so I've seen some very unconvincing petitions which have gotten very few signers because of their unconvincing descriptions and information. I've pasted things from the Dictionary... I'll admit that. Who hasn't, though? I'm quite sure everyone's pasted things from the dictionary on this forum once or twice... even thrice. And people usually do that when the dictionary can describe what they're trying to say better than they can at the time they wrote the post, which does not include edits. They might be angry, and so may post the definition, or a partial one, because they're too angry to rationally explain it, then might edit their post later and explain their point rationally after they've calmed down; that doesn't mean they didn't paste from the dictionary, it just means they've erased the present evidence of such. I use the word 'present' because we can't forget the wayback machine. (I'd love to learn how that works someday...)Now, I may be arrogant sometimes. But I'm sure you were, and still do find yourself falling into that attitude sometimes. Everyone does and has. It's apart of character development. Well, OK, maturity probably factors into that too. And considering that maturity is a good 5-8 years, if not longer, depending on the person, people might form habits and might find them incredibly hard to break. As for me, I don't know why I might come across as 'arrogant'. I read a lot of things about a lot of subjects, and that might factor into things. I've taught myself about a lot of subjects, too, so that might as well. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=351346#p351346 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: eloquence on IOS.
Re: eloquence on IOS. Eh, I don't have a grudge against you, I just don't like your attitude all that much, if at all. You always come on here acting like the gods own step child as if pasting things from dictionary is akin to actually having the knowledge in the first place, as if googling a subject and taking 30 to 45 seconds to look up the most rudimentary information makes you an expert on it.I've never seen you post anything that doesn't have some heir of haughtiness or arrogance behind it, and just as frankly, I'm getting tired of it too. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=351342#p351342 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: eloquence on IOS.
Re: eloquence on IOS. @48, and, once again, you start bitching at me just because I decide to post on here. I'm not throwing my weight around. Get rid of that grudge you have against me -- it won't solve shit. As I was saying though, that's not "throwing my weight around" -- that's stating a fact. That he suggested something that was already suggested and that got rejected more than once on this topic, and that we couldn't make a petition for it because no one would sign, and by no one, I mean no one influential. Sure, half this forum might sign... doesn't mean anyone has to acknowledge the petitions existence at all. Plus, when you write a petition, your request needs to be 'convincing'. If it's not convincing enough, no one's going to sign. And I know that because I've seen some very badly-written petitions. And the signers were less than a thousand on one. If I hadn't stated it, someone else would have. So, if all your going to say about my posts is how I'm supposedly doing x, y, and z, and how you, personally, don't like me doing x, y, and z, don't post at all, will you? I don't want to here it. Your not making things better by posting it, your not being helpful in the slightest by posting it, and frankly I'm getting tired of it. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=351338#p351338 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: eloquence on IOS.
Re: eloquence on IOS. @48, and, once again, you start bitching at me just because I decide to post on here. I'm not throwing my weight around. Get rid of that grudge you have against me -- it won't solve shit. As I was saying though, that's not "throwing my weight around" -- that's stating a fact. That he suggested something that was already suggested and that got rejected more than once on this topic, and that we couldn't make a petition for it because no one would sign, and by no one, I mean no one influential. Sure, half this forum might sign... doesn't mean anyone has to acknowledge the petitions existence at all. If I hadn't stated it, someone else would have. So, if all your going to say about my posts is how I'm supposedly doing x, y, and z, and how you, personally, don't like me doing x, y, and z, don't post at all, will you? I don't want to here it. Your not making things better by posting it, and frankly I'm getting tired of it. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=351338#p351338 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: eloquence on IOS.
Re: eloquence on IOS. @47 Usually, when people say no offense, they tend to mean some offense, you've hit that mark by butting in here and throwing your weight around once again. Also as usual, you don't have anything constructive to add. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=351308#p351308 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: eloquence on IOS.
Re: eloquence on IOS. @Chris, no offense, but if you actually cared to read the topic, first to last, you would know that people have already tried this and it hasn't worked. And we can't make a petition -- absolutely no one would sign it. Frankly, I loathe Apple and prefer Google any day over Apple. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=351305#p351305 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: eloquence on IOS.
Re: eloquence on IOS. If you guys want Eloquence on iOS and/or macOS, send an email to the accessibil...@apple.com address. The more that do this, the more likely it will happen. Apple has listened to user feedback for more voices, so I see no reason why this wouldn't work. Apple has a contract with Nuance. Nuance owns the rights to Eloquence. Apple and Nuance should be able to port the synthesizer. I personally can't stand Eloquence, but it just adds more user choice. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=351302#p351302 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: eloquence on IOS.
Re: eloquence on IOS. I can attest you do get used to voices. I hate the sound of eSpeak, it sounds tinny, metallic, robotic, and the injected consonants sound unnatural; however, when I was using Linux as my daily OS, I did get used to it after a time. When I moved back to Windows though, I was glad to be shot of it. So, I did get used to it, but I never liked it all that much. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=351261#p351261 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: eloquence on IOS.
Re: eloquence on IOS. Or hearing about TV shows or movies that you'd like to see that aren't audio described. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=351238#p351238 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: eloquence on IOS.
Re: eloquence on IOS. I still do listen to audios, but I started reading ebooks for a couple of reasons. The main one is that lots more books are available in ebook form, and if you have a pearl camera and OpenBook or some other quick way to scan paperbacks, pretty much all text books are accessible. Before it was possible for me to read ebooks, I found it quite depressing to listen to sighted people talking about books I had no way of reading. Probably a similar thing happens to blind gamers. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=351234#p351234 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: eloquence on IOS.
Re: eloquence on IOS. I still do listen to audios, but I started reading ebooks for a couple of reasons. The main one is that lots more books are available in ebook form, and if you have a pearl camera and OpenBook or some other quick way to scan paperbacks, pretty much all text books are accessible. Before it was possible for me to read ebooks, I found it quite depressing to listen to sighted people talking about books I had no way of reading. Probably a similar thing happens to blind gamers. The other thing is there are more bad narrators than good. You'd think that even the bad narrators are still better than a TTS voice, but I've found that not to be true. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=351234#p351234 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: eloquence on IOS.
Re: eloquence on IOS. Flackers, since you like to absorb information from the books, why not just listen to audiobooks? That's usually what I do, I hardly ever if it all read from a word file with my screenreader, in fact I'm not sure I like doing that. I will read from my phone if the audiobook isn't available on ibooks, but other than that I mostly read audiobooks. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=351198#p351198 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: eloquence on IOS.
Re: eloquence on IOS. I mean, yes, sure, any synthesiser can seem to be acceptable once you've listened to enough of it. I use Daniel full-time now, despite his flaws, and it took me a while to get comfortable with it. But, really, just going back to Eloquence provides plenty enough comfort in a few short minutes to remind me of what I've lost as a nearly full-time Mac and iOS user. It's like lossy format audio compression, you know--once you're familiar with it, you become less incensed--or less aware--of the losses being incurred. I'm sure the JAWS default aspect is part of what keeps people using Eloquence, but I'm also fairly confident that it really is an excellent quality synth that, again despite its flaws, people will want to keep coming back to. That's the rub, for me, and I don't think it's an accident that many of us seem to agree. And I've used many, many synths--the ones I've been most fond of, from Dolphin's Orpheus to DECTalk to Keynote/Berkeley Speech to Eloquence, are all formant-based. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=350899#p350899 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: eloquence on IOS.
Re: eloquence on IOS. I mean, yes, sure, any synthesiser can seem to be acceptable once you've listened to enough of it. I use Daniel full-time now, despite his flaws, and it took me a while to get comfortable with it. But, really, just going back to Eloquence provides plenty enough comfort in a few short minutes to remind me of what I've lost as a nearly full-time Mac and iOS user. It's like lossy format audio compression, you know--once you're familiar with it, you become less incensed--or less aware--of the losses being incurred. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=350899#p350899 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: eloquence on IOS.
Re: eloquence on IOS. Flackers, At a normal speed like that, I must say I agree that eloquence does a better job than alex. However I personally have my alex set much much faster than that, and it reads fine. At slow speeds like that though it does sound quite robotic and does seem to drone on and on in a robotic rattley voice. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=350860#p350860 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: eloquence on IOS.
Re: eloquence on IOS. I dono what yall are saying about human sounding voices not being good for long text documents. Alex on phone and mac its fine on high speeds, better than eloquence in fact. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=350840#p350840 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: eloquence on IOS.
Re: eloquence on IOS. Na, count me out. If it meant I had to throw any money at something that hasn't been updated since the turn of the century then yeah I'm good. I actually bought it on Android, but once I discovered the always connected licence system I promptly uninstalled it. I bought you're product, why should I have to check in with the big boss every 24 hours just to make sure your precious inflated ego remains intact? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=350783#p350783 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: eloquence on IOS.
Re: eloquence on IOS. Mac OSX does indeed support third party voices. Acapela still works, Cepstral used to, Eloquence partially integrated, you name it. Someone on Twitter said they had somehow gotten their hands on an Espeak for mac osx that was compiled and working with voiceover, but had lost it. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=350724#p350724 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: eloquence on IOS.
Re: eloquence on IOS. If you could just get eloquence on Voice Dream, that would be enough for me. All I want eloquence on an iPhone for is to read books. Alex or the siri male voice do a great job of everything else, but like all the human-sounding voices they're not quite consistent enough to read big blocks of properly punctuated text in a way that I find acceptable. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=350703#p350703 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: eloquence on IOS.
Re: eloquence on IOS. Somebody in here said that no apple voices are availaable for NVDA and such. However there is an addon somewhere that lets you switch to samantha. I don't think its very ood, and I think you have to pay, but I heard a sample of it from someone once.As far as eloquance on IOS or OSX goes, I'm not sure I could ever switch from alex. I like eloquance on pc sure, but it just wouldn't feel right on an apple device. That is of course just my opinion though, others may feel differnt. Especially for my phone and texting, I wouldn't want a rebotic voice like eloquance reading messages, I'd prefer a more human sounding voice like alex. At times I do enjoy typing stupid things for the novilty voices on mac to say, but that usually is only for 10 minutes or so when i'm bored or something. Those would be kinda funny on IOS though, heh. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=350665#p350665 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: eloquence on IOS.
Re: eloquence on IOS. Doubt Eloquence will come to ios, but meanwhile it is actually usable on the mac. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=350507#p350507 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: eloquence on IOS.
Re: eloquence on IOS. Fred is their forment based one I think. I kinda wish the iPhones got the novelty voices just to screw with, nothing serious of course. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=350425#p350425 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: eloquence on IOS.
Re: eloquence on IOS. To each their own, what might sound horrible, someone else might like.I happen to like Fred, and eSpeak.Not the default eSpeak, that one sounds robotic on a small speaker.I like the Robert variant in NVDA with the inflection set to 100. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=350340#p350340 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: eloquence on IOS. I'd love to know why eloquence seems to be so hard to get on stuff. iPhone has that Fred voice as an option, so why not eloquence? People always talk about it not being developed, but it isn't broke so doesnt' need developing. There are loads of human-sounding synths that are great for navigating systems and reading little scraps of text, but nothing touches eloquence for reading documents/books. I'm yet to find a natural voice that doesn't mash some syllabels together making sentences jerky in a quick slow type way. Eloquence's sentence rhythm is flawless. I'd love to read books on my phone, but until it has a voice that isn't shit, it won't be happening. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=350257#p350257 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: eloquence on IOS.
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Re: eloquence on IOS. eloquence on ios could be real neet URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=215690#p215690 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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2015-04-22
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Re: eloquence on IOS. That would be cool, although apple would likely have to run that through Nuance and Im not sure if theyd agree with that. But who knows, it means more money, so maybe. On the other hand, we cannot get our hands on the apple voices for, say, windows phone, or at least not that I know of. So I wonder if its just not possible to port synths to a different OS? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=213256#p213256 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: eloquence on IOS.
Re: eloquence on IOS. hi,I saw espeak on android. Btw they could make it optional like the Alex voice URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=213257#p213257 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: eloquence on IOS.
Re: eloquence on IOS. Hi.This question has been talked about on AppleVis for a while now. Unfortunately, you cannot install Eloquence on iOS with a jailbreak, sorry. Now that you mention this, the people at AppleVis did e-mail Apple Accessibility about this numerous amounts of times, but so far, nothing. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=213095#p213095 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
