[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Baptism record added as footnote? São Jorge-Norte Grande

[Aaron Pereira]

Victor,

The transcriber is noting where you can find Maria's baptism record...in 
this same book, the page number and baptism number, page 144 and 145
here are the links///it starts on page 144, at the bottom, and continues on 
to the next page.
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-NORTEGRANDE-B-1825-1839/SJR-VL-NORTEGRANDE-B-1825-1839_item1/P286.html
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-NORTEGRANDE-B-1825-1839/SJR-VL-NORTEGRANDE-B-1825-1839_item1/P287.html


On Saturday, December 10, 2016 at 10:44:44 PM UTC-8, Victor Soares wrote:
>
> After hours of digging, I believe I found the baptism entry for a 2nd 
> great-grandmother of mine as a footnote a the bottom of this page:
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-NORTEGRANDE-B-1825-1839/SJR-VL-NORTEGRANDE-B-1825-1839_item1/P216.html
>
> Has anybody else run into this kind of situation? What does the last part 
> of that footnote say?
>
> The text reads:
> Faltou aqui o termo de Maria filha de Anselmo Faustino d'Almeida e de sua 
> mulher Anna Jozefa de São João (ripped corner) vai lançado neste mesmo 
> ???
>
> Translated:
> Missed here the term of Maria daughter of Anselmo Faustino d'Almeida and 
> his wife Anna Jozefa de São João (ripped corner) is released in this same 
> ???
>
> I appreciate the help.
>
> Thanks,
> -Victor
>

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Baptism record added as footnote? São Jorge-Norte Grande

[Aaron Pereira]

Victor,

The transcriber is noting where you can find Maria's baptism record...in 
this same book, the page number and baptism number
here is the link
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-NORTEGRANDE-B-1825-1839/SJR-VL-NORTEGRANDE-B-1825-1839_item1/P287.html


On Saturday, December 10, 2016 at 10:44:44 PM UTC-8, Victor Soares wrote:
>
> After hours of digging, I believe I found the baptism entry for a 2nd 
> great-grandmother of mine as a footnote a the bottom of this page:
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-NORTEGRANDE-B-1825-1839/SJR-VL-NORTEGRANDE-B-1825-1839_item1/P216.html
>
> Has anybody else run into this kind of situation? What does the last part 
> of that footnote say?
>
> The text reads:
> Faltou aqui o termo de Maria filha de Anselmo Faustino d'Almeida e de sua 
> mulher Anna Jozefa de São João (ripped corner) vai lançado neste mesmo 
> ???
>
> Translated:
> Missed here the term of Maria daughter of Anselmo Faustino d'Almeida and 
> his wife Anna Jozefa de São João (ripped corner) is released in this same 
> ???
>
> I appreciate the help.
>
> Thanks,
> -Victor
>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Baptism record added as footnote? São Jorge-Norte Grande

[Rosemarie Capodicci]

Victor, this happens quite often in the Norte Grande records. The Priest or
his scribe enters the info in the wrong book (i.e. a baptism in the
marriage records, death in the baptism records) he also 'missed' a baptism
and has to go back and try to fit it in at the bottom of a page. The bad
thing is that when he does this, he usually leaves out the important things
like grandparents and godparents! At least he does give the parent names
and this is your line!

Rosemarie
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Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

On Sat, Dec 10, 2016 at 9:43 PM, Victor Soares  wrote:

> After hours of digging, I believe I found the baptism entry for a 2nd
> great-grandmother of mine as a footnote a the bottom of this page:
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-
> VL-NORTEGRANDE-B-1825-1839/SJR-VL-NORTEGRANDE-B-1825-1839_item1/P216.html
>
> Has anybody else run into this kind of situation? What does the last part
> of that footnote say?
>
> The text reads:
> Faltou aqui o termo de Maria filha de Anselmo Faustino d'Almeida e de sua
> mulher Anna Jozefa de São João (ripped corner) vai lançado neste mesmo
> ???
>
> Translated:
> Missed here the term of Maria daughter of Anselmo Faustino d'Almeida and
> his wife Anna Jozefa de São João (ripped corner) is released in this same
> ???
>
> I appreciate the help.
>
> Thanks,
> -Victor
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Baptism record added as footnote? São Jorge-Norte Grande

[Victor Soares]

After hours of digging, I believe I found the baptism entry for a 2nd
great-grandmother of mine as a footnote a the bottom of this page:
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-NORTEGRANDE-B-1825-1839/SJR-VL-NORTEGRANDE-B-1825-1839_item1/P216.html

Has anybody else run into this kind of situation? What does the last part
of that footnote say?

The text reads:
Faltou aqui o termo de Maria filha de Anselmo Faustino d'Almeida e de sua
mulher Anna Jozefa de São João (ripped corner) vai lançado neste mesmo
???

Translated:
Missed here the term of Maria daughter of Anselmo Faustino d'Almeida and
his wife Anna Jozefa de São João (ripped corner) is released in this same
???

I appreciate the help.

Thanks,
-Victor

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Joaquim Benedicto (Terceira) Child migrating to the US

[Samantha B]

I'm still hunting down Joaquim Benedicto. Hopefully I've found, and 
translated, his marriage record and birth records of both himself and his 
wife. So far I have lots of great new information and two more generations 
on both sides.

However, that's if this Joaquim is my Joaquim. I "know" (that's a loaded 
word huh) from the US 1910 census that he migrated to the US in about 1885, 
when he was about 10 years old.The very first record of him I can find in 
the US is his 1906 arrival on the SS Brooklyn with his new wife. The ship 
manifest does say that he's a US citizen. He does not seem to appear in the 
1990 or 1890 (fragment) census records. I can find no record of his parents 
in the US either.

So my next search is for his passport in about 1885. I'm starting with 
the Angra do Heroísmo passports as he's from Terceirca. If I have no luck 
there I'll move on to the other ports. My questions are

1) A bit of a subjective one I suppose ... Did children ever travel to the 
US at that time without their parents? I would think it was uncommon.

2) re Reading the records. I see the printed headings at the top of each 
page and understand them mostly. I don't know what the last column on each 
page says. It's something like "no do masso em que esta archivado o 
processo" Here's an 
example. 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-TER-1874-1877/PASSAPORTES-TER-1874-1877_item1/P11.html
 
I don't know if this is going to be meaningful for me.

3) re Reading the records. As a child will he most likely have his own 
listing or should I be looking for his name in the listing of an adult?

Many thanks for all your help.
Samantha

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: An ancestor in question

[LouieLouieOhOh]

Antonio Victorino Fagundes (my great grandfather)
Maria Faustina Coracao Jesus (Antonios wife)
Rosa De Jesus Fagundes (Antonios mother, my great great grandmother)
Jose De Sousa Borba (don't know if I can claim him as my great great 
grandfather)



On Saturday, December 10, 2016 at 3:24:29 PM UTC-8, LouieLouieOhOh wrote:
>
>
> I have a relative (Great Grandfather) ... born in Ribeira Seca, Calheta, 
> Sao Jorge, Azores.
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-B-1871-1879/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-B-1871-1879_item1/P130.html
>
> On his baptism record, it says his father is unknown (pai incognito).
>
> But, on his marriage document: the priest writes that his father is "Jose 
> de Sousa Borba".
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-C-1890-1899/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-C-1890-1899_item1/P37.html
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-C-1890-1899/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-C-1890-1899_item1/P38.html
>
> Is the document saying that the priest knows the father or ... friends say 
> he was the father?
> I'm a little confused on this one. Can I claim his lineage or not? I don't 
> want to go looking for his baptismal record if my lineage stops there.
>
> Louie
>
>
>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] An ancestor in question

[LouieLouieOhOh]

Margaret,

Thanks much ... I appreciate the reply!
Natural son ... not married, got it. This is life as such.

My family has searched for years (16) to find out his lineage ... where did 
he live, where born etc.
He is not listed on the Terceira wedding index that I can find. Maybe he 
never married anyone?

Another interesting point. Rosa was almost 47 when when Antonio was born. 
They must have met at a Festa Dance. :')

Louie


On Saturday, December 10, 2016 at 3:40:21 PM UTC-8, Mara wrote:
>
> Louie,
>
> At birth his father was declared, incognito.
>
> At marriage the priest declares he is the NATURAL son of Jose de Sousa 
> Borba.  You're lucky, he was mentioned.  The parents did not get married.  
> Please note that Antonio is using the maternal family surname, this also 
> indicates his father did not assume him.  
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 10, 2016 at 6:26 PM, Cheri Mello  > wrote:
>
>> None of the records in the provided links are labeled "Louie's 
>> great-grandfather." What is the name on record? What record number? Bottom 
>> left, top right? Thanks!
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 10, 2016 at 3:02 PM, LouieLouieOhOh > > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I have a relative (Great Grandfather) ... born in Ribeira Seca, Calheta, 
>>> Sao Jorge, Azores.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-B-1871-1879/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-B-1871-1879_item1/P130.html
>>>
>>> On his baptism record, it says his father is unknown (pai incognito).
>>>
>>> But, on his marriage document: the priest writes that his father is 
>>> "Jose de Sousa Borba".
>>>
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-C-1890-1899/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-C-1890-1899_item1/P37.html
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-C-1890-1899/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-C-1890-1899_item1/P38.html
>>>
>>> Is the document saying that the priest knows the father or ... friends 
>>> say he was the father?
>>> I'm a little confused on this one. Can I claim his lineage or not? I 
>>> don't want to go looking for his baptismal record if my lineage stops there.
>>>
>>> Louie
>>>
>>>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help filling in some blanks Bernardino, of Soares and Figueiredo

[linda]

Hi,

I have some of the same names (Souza de Figueredo, Meneses, Soares and 
Curvelo/Corvelho) in one section of my tree (Villa do Porto, Santa Maria), 
and I think we probably connect a generation or two back from this record.  
Perhaps we already chatted about that a while back?

Anyway, this is how I read the record:

Bernardino filho de Joze Soares, e de Sua molher Donna Izabel
de Figueiredo naturais desta Parochial da Glorioza Santa Barbara
desta Ilha de  Santa Maria moradores no Lugar do Norte nasces
em os nove dias do mes de Julho de mil Sette annos Sincoenta  e outo
foi baptizado em os dezaseis dias do ditto mes, e anno por mim Fran-
cisco de Miranda vigario desta Parochial de Seus Pays nella: foi
Padrinho Ignacio de Souza de Figueirdo Homem Solteiro filho do
Alferes Joao Soares de Figuerido, que Deus tem e Madrinha Donna
Francisca dos Reys filha do ditto Alferes molher solteira: foram
Testemunhos o Capitam Mauricio de Souza Menezes, Manoel
Joze Coelho [Corvelho??], Solteiro filho de Marianna Coelha [Corvelha??] 
viuva moradores nesta
freguezia, que comigo aSignaram dia, mes, e anno Supra

Vigr.o Fran.co d[e] Miranda
[and two witness signatures]


This is how I interpret it (sections which you wrote "???" I've put into 
red):

Bernardino son of Jose Soares, and of his wife Dona Isabel
de Figueiredo natives of this Parish of Glorious Santa Barbara
of this island of Santa Maria [and] living in the place [neighborhood] of 
the North, born
on the 9th of the month of July of 1758
He was baptised on the 16th of the same month and year by me Fran-
cisco de Miranda vicar of this Parish in which his parents reside;
[the] Godfather was Ignacio de Souza de Figueiredo [a] single man [and the] 
son of
Alfares Joao Soares, who God has [i.e., who is deceased] and [the] 
Godmother [was] Dona
Francisca dos Reis daughter of the same Alfares [Joao Soares de Figueiredo] a 
single woman; 
[the] witnesses [were] the Captain Mauricio de Souza Meneses, Manoel 
Joze [Corvelho], single son of Marianna [Corvelha] widow [who both] live in 
this 
village, who signed [this document] along with me [on the] above day month 
and year

Vicar Francisco de Miranda

The first signature is probably Mauricio de Souza Meneses
Manoel Jose Corvelho

Coelho vs. Corvelho: In the body of the record, the name in question looks 
like "Coelho" to me too, but I believe it's more likely to be Corvelho.  
The witness signature looks more like Corvelho to me, and it's a name 
that's very common in Santa Barbara parish.

hope this helps,

:)

Linda




On Saturday, December 10, 2016 at 2:04:34 PM UTC-8, apor...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> Top left:  
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-B-1745-1763/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-B-1745-1763_item1/P85.html
>  
>
>  
>
> Here is my translation.  Any help with corrections or filling in the 
> blanks is much appreciated.
>
>  
>
> Bernadino 
>
> 9 July 1758
>
> Son of Jose Soares y Donna Izabel de Figueiredo
>
> Bernadino son of Jose Soares and of his wife, Izabel de Figueiredo, 
> natives of this parochial of Gloria Santa Barbara of this island of Santa 
> Maria, residents of the place of Norte, born on the 9th day of the month 
> of July 1758. Was baptized on the 12th day of the same month and year by 
> me, Francisco de Miranda vicar of this parochial of our  ?. For 
> godfather, Ignacio de Souza de Figueiredo ???, single, son of Alferes 
> (Ensign) Joao Soares de Figueiredo   . Godmother, Donna Francisca 
> dos ???, daughter of same Alferes  . For witnesses, Captain 
> Mauricio de Sousa , Manoel Jose Coelho, single, son of Marianna Coelho, 
> widow, resident of this same parish that with me signed day, month and year 
> as above.
>
> Vicar Francisco de Miranda
>
> Marianna Coelho???
>
> Manoel Jose Coelho
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help filling in some blanks Bernardino, of Soares and Figueiredo

[Tish M]

To add to Cheri's translation:
  Godfather: Ignacio de Sousa de Figueiredo, single man
  Godmother: Dona Francisca dos Reis daughter of the same Alferes ,
single woman

On Sat, Dec 10, 2016 at 3:32 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Baptized on the 16th.
> ...vicar of this parochial of his parents
> ...For godfather, Ignacio de Souza de Figueiredo homem?
> Godmother, Dona Francisca dos Reis. I'm not sure what's after her name.
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Sat, Dec 10, 2016 at 2:04 PM, aportugee via Azores Genealogy <
> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Top left:  http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-
>> SANTABARBARA-B-1745-1763/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-B-1745-1763_item1/P85.html
>>
>>
>>
>> Here is my translation.  Any help with corrections or filling in the
>> blanks is much appreciated.
>>
>>
>>
>> Bernadino
>>
>> 9 July 1758
>>
>> Son of Jose Soares y Donna Izabel de Figueiredo
>>
>> Bernadino son of Jose Soares and of his wife, Izabel de Figueiredo,
>> natives of this parochial of Gloria Santa Barbara of this island of Santa
>> Maria, residents of the place of Norte, born on the 9th day of the month
>> of July 1758. Was baptized on the 12th day of the same month and year by
>> me, Francisco de Miranda vicar of this parochial of our  ?. For
>> godfather, Ignacio de Souza de Figueiredo ???, single, son of Alferes
>> (Ensign) Joao Soares de Figueiredo   . Godmother, Donna Francisca
>> dos ???, daughter of same Alferes  . For witnesses, Captain
>> Mauricio de Sousa , Manoel Jose Coelho, single, son of Marianna Coelho,
>> widow, resident of this same parish that with me signed day, month and year
>> as above.
>>
>> Vicar Francisco de Miranda
>>
>> Marianna Coelho???
>>
>> Manoel Jose Coelho
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] An ancestor in question

[Margaret Vicente]

Louie,

At birth his father was declared, incognito.

At marriage the priest declares he is the NATURAL son of Jose de Sousa
Borba.  You're lucky, he was mentioned.  The parents did not get married.
Please note that Antonio is using the maternal family surname, this also
indicates his father did not assume him.






On Sat, Dec 10, 2016 at 6:26 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> None of the records in the provided links are labeled "Louie's
> great-grandfather." What is the name on record? What record number? Bottom
> left, top right? Thanks!
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Sat, Dec 10, 2016 at 3:02 PM, LouieLouieOhOh 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> I have a relative (Great Grandfather) ... born in Ribeira Seca, Calheta,
>> Sao Jorge, Azores.
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-
>> RIBEIRASECA-B-1871-1879/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-B-1871-1879_item1/P130.html
>>
>> On his baptism record, it says his father is unknown (pai incognito).
>>
>> But, on his marriage document: the priest writes that his father is "Jose
>> de Sousa Borba".
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-
>> RIBEIRASECA-C-1890-1899/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-C-1890-1899_item1/P37.html
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-
>> RIBEIRASECA-C-1890-1899/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-C-1890-1899_item1/P38.html
>>
>> Is the document saying that the priest knows the father or ... friends
>> say he was the father?
>> I'm a little confused on this one. Can I claim his lineage or not? I
>> don't want to go looking for his baptismal record if my lineage stops there.
>>
>> Louie
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help filling in some blanks Bernardino, of Soares and Figueiredo

[Cheri Mello]

Baptized on the 16th.
...vicar of this parochial of his parents
...For godfather, Ignacio de Souza de Figueiredo homem?
Godmother, Dona Francisca dos Reis. I'm not sure what's after her name.

Cheri Mello
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Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Sat, Dec 10, 2016 at 2:04 PM, aportugee via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Top left:  http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-
> VP-SANTABARBARA-B-1745-1763/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-B-1745-1763_item1/P85.html
>
>
>
> Here is my translation.  Any help with corrections or filling in the
> blanks is much appreciated.
>
>
>
> Bernadino
>
> 9 July 1758
>
> Son of Jose Soares y Donna Izabel de Figueiredo
>
> Bernadino son of Jose Soares and of his wife, Izabel de Figueiredo,
> natives of this parochial of Gloria Santa Barbara of this island of Santa
> Maria, residents of the place of Norte, born on the 9th day of the month
> of July 1758. Was baptized on the 12th day of the same month and year by
> me, Francisco de Miranda vicar of this parochial of our  ?. For
> godfather, Ignacio de Souza de Figueiredo ???, single, son of Alferes
> (Ensign) Joao Soares de Figueiredo   . Godmother, Donna Francisca
> dos ???, daughter of same Alferes  . For witnesses, Captain
> Mauricio de Sousa , Manoel Jose Coelho, single, son of Marianna Coelho,
> widow, resident of this same parish that with me signed day, month and year
> as above.
>
> Vicar Francisco de Miranda
>
> Marianna Coelho???
>
> Manoel Jose Coelho
>
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>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] An ancestor in question

[Cheri Mello]

None of the records in the provided links are labeled "Louie's
great-grandfather." What is the name on record? What record number? Bottom
left, top right? Thanks!

Cheri Mello
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Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Sat, Dec 10, 2016 at 3:02 PM, LouieLouieOhOh 
wrote:

>
> I have a relative (Great Grandfather) ... born in Ribeira Seca, Calheta,
> Sao Jorge, Azores.
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-
> CH-RIBEIRASECA-B-1871-1879/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-B-1871-1879_item1/P130.html
>
> On his baptism record, it says his father is unknown (pai incognito).
>
> But, on his marriage document: the priest writes that his father is "Jose
> de Sousa Borba".
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-
> CH-RIBEIRASECA-C-1890-1899/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-C-1890-1899_item1/P37.html
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-
> CH-RIBEIRASECA-C-1890-1899/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-C-1890-1899_item1/P38.html
>
> Is the document saying that the priest knows the father or ... friends say
> he was the father?
> I'm a little confused on this one. Can I claim his lineage or not? I don't
> want to go looking for his baptismal record if my lineage stops there.
>
> Louie
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[AZORES-Genealogy] An ancestor in question

[LouieLouieOhOh]

I have a relative (Great Grandfather) ... born in Ribeira Seca, Calheta, 
Sao Jorge, Azores.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-B-1871-1879/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-B-1871-1879_item1/P130.html

On his baptism record, it says his father is unknown (pai incognito).

But, on his marriage document: the priest writes that his father is "Jose 
de Sousa Borba".

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-C-1890-1899/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-C-1890-1899_item1/P37.html
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-C-1890-1899/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-C-1890-1899_item1/P38.html

Is the document saying that the priest knows the father or ... friends say 
he was the father?
I'm a little confused on this one. Can I claim his lineage or not? I don't 
want to go looking for his baptismal record if my lineage stops there.

Louie


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Did I find the right passport?

[Shirley Allegre]

Elaine:  I haven't found a Joao.
Shirley in CA

  - Original Message - 
  From: Elaine Mello 
  To: Azores Genealogy 
  Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2016 10:14 AM
  Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Did I find the right passport?


  hi Margaret,

 I found on ancestry a NY immigration:  

 New York Passenger List, 1820-1957
Year: 1907: Arrival, New York, New York; Microfilm 
 Serial: T715, 1897-1959; Micriofilm roll: roll 0885;
 Line 24; Page Number: 85

Looking at the record again, I realize it has a different birth city - 
Funchal, so while the age is right, this may not be him.  But if you look up 
the page, Joao is line 28 that was the name I saw and jumped to the conclusion 
it was him.

  Its interesting to know that they would name their kids the same name - I 
guess George Foreman wasn't the first to do that, then! ;}

  Shirley, I do find the 14 year old Joao confusing, as there is a Virginia 
that was born in 1893 to Joao and Francisca, so unless there was a multiple 
birth or they adopted a child, he doesn't make sense.  But everything else 
matches up in terms of ages and names/parentage.

  Elaine 
  Elaine

  On Friday, December 9, 2016 at 7:37:45 PM UTC-5, Mara wrote:
Yes, and yes, it was.  Some times up to 4 and 5 Marias


If you look at the 17 year old Maria, record # 52 year 1890, on the top 
right page, 6th line down, it reads"secunda de nome", second of the name.  
This confirms she is the 2nd Maria of this family thus far.


Elaine, You mentioned Maria's Dad arrived in the USA same year, May 6th?  
What documentation do you have to prove this? Francisca's passport # 675 states 
she is 52 years and a widow.





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[AZORES-Genealogy] Help filling in some blanks Bernardino, of Soares and Figueiredo

[aportugee via Azores Genealogy]

Top left:  
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-B-1745-1763/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-B-1745-1763_item1/P85.html
 

Here is my translation.  Any help with corrections or filling in the blanks is 
much appreciated.

Bernadino 
9 July 1758
Son of Jose Soares y Donna Izabel de Figueiredo
Bernadino son of Jose Soares and of his wife, Izabel de Figueiredo, natives of 
this parochial of Gloria Santa Barbara of this island of Santa Maria, residents 
of the place of Norte, born on the 9th day of the month of July 1758. Was 
baptized on the 12th day of the same month and year by me, Francisco de Miranda 
vicar of this parochial of our  ?. For godfather, Ignacio de Souza de 
Figueiredo ???, single, son of Alferes (Ensign) Joao Soares de Figueiredo  
 . Godmother, Donna Francisca dos ???, daughter of same Alferes  . 
For witnesses, Captain Mauricio de Sousa , Manoel Jose Coelho, single, son 
of Marianna Coelho, widow, resident of this same parish that with me signed 
day, month and year as above.
Vicar Francisco de Miranda
Marianna Coelho???
Manoel Jose Coelho




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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: help with parent's names in marriage record

[Amy Francis]

>
> Thank you, I thought it was missing the father's name.  Thanks for the 
>> clarification of Maria as widower, I did not catch that.
>>
>
Amy 

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: help with parent's names in marriage record

[Philippe Garnier]

Hi Amy,

Manoel da Costa "mariante" filho e sua molher M.a de Souza ja defuntos com 
M.a Botelha veuvia de M.el de Medeiros guerreiro sepultado na Matrix de Sam 
Miguel onde os contrahentes forao Baptizados ...

 

Manoel da Costa "mariante" son and his wife M.a de Souza died with M.a 
Botelha widower of M.el de Medeiros guerreiro burried in Matrix de Sam 
Miguel were the contractants were baptized ...

The name of the Manoel's father is not written.


Best regards


Philippe Garnier

Paris - France

http://philippegarnier112.wixsite.com/familiasilhaterceira/copie-de-familias-da-ilha-terceira

Le samedi 10 décembre 2016 20:07:16 UTC+1, Amy Francis a écrit :
>
> I am having a hard time deciphering the handwriting in this marriage 
> record from Sao Miguel, Vila Franca do Campo, if someone could help again, 
> thank you so much.  I think I can read one of the parent's names out of the 
> four - the father of the bride - Manuel de Medeiros.  
>
> It is the marriage of Manuel da Costa and Maria Boteilha, bottom left. 
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1705-1743/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1705-1743_item1/P80.html
>
> Thank you!
>
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Did I find the right passport?

[Elizabeth Migliori]

Thanks for that info Cheri.  Just saved my eyes searching the right column
for the island, village etc.
Liz

On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 9:21 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Elaine,
> This is the technique I use when hunting through the Sao Miguel
> Passaportes:
> Scroll down the Concelho column in page 2, looking for the council of
> Povoacao. When you see one, check to see if the freguesia is Ribeira
> Quente. If it is, then check the person's name to see if it's your Maria
> Lima. It will go much, much faster that way than looking at every single
> Maria that left from the port of Ponta Delgada.
>
> The U.S. Censuses asked for year of immigration. Although it may be off,
> it should give you a range to work with. She is mostly likely leaving the
> Azores and immigrating under the name of Maria da __, without her last
> name, so don't discount those Marias who are listed as just first and
> middle name only.
>
> Good luck! Cheri
>
>
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 8:44 AM, Margaret Vicente <
> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Elaine,
>>
>> This record is for Francisca Rosa de Melo, as you noted, passport # 675
>> travelling with her children (named below) who are all natives of Sao
>> Roque, Ponta Delgada.  If your Maria de Lima is from Ribeira Quente, these
>> are not your family.
>>
>> The two (2) sisters you see, one is named Maria the other Maria do Carmo.
>>
>> The dot and bracket is an internal record keeping thing, not related to
>> the family (s) in this case.
>>
>> Do you know the parents names for your Maria de Lima?
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 8:03 AM, Elaine Mello 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi everyone,
>>>
>>>I've been going page by page from about 1904 onwards looking for my
>>> parternal grandmather, Maria Lima.   It's been great looking at these
>>> records for those years from Porto Delgada, because whomever was writing
>>> the logs had the clearest handwriting I've seen so far.  I think I found
>>> her, but they weren't listed as coming from Ribeira Quente.  I'm assuming
>>> this is a mistake, as they just did an ellipses from the person above them
>>> rather than to write the correct town down.
>>>
>>> So on line 675 here:  http://www.culturacores.azore
>>> s.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1906-1907/PASSAP
>>> ORTES-PDL-1906-1907_item1/P114.html
>>>
>>> I see the passport for Francisca Roza de Mello, whose parents were
>>> Manuel de Mello Barboza and Maria Julia.
>>> The next line down is a Maria da Lima, with her parents listed, Joao
>>> Ignacio de Lima and Francisca Roza.
>>>
>>> The line after that is another Maria Lima, who would be the right age
>>> for my grandmother, who was born in 1890.  I can't read the middle name
>>> listed there, and now there are two Marias there.  Looking at my family
>>> tree, Manuel had a brother Jose who also married a Francesca and their
>>> daughter was Maria, but I thought she was the same age, and she would have
>>> been a de Mello or Barboza, not a Lima.
>>>
>>> So is it possible that the first Maria was listed as my grandmother, but
>>> would in fact be the cousin?
>>>
>>> And if this is the correct record, my grandmother would have had a
>>> little brother, also named Joao?
>>>
>>> Thanks for you assistance!
>>>
>>> Elaine
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Genealogy Humor

[Elizabeth Migliori]

lol  good to know it's not just us Portuguese!!!

On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 9:30 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Judy Russell, The Legal Genealogist, wrote about this other blogger in one
> of her posts.
>
> Kerry Scott is another genealogist with a blog. In this particular post,
> she writes about "Ancestor Hate Mail" where she pretends to write angry
> letters to her ancestors. Some of the cultures she writes about are like
> ours: same name for multiple children, naming a baby Jose after the other
> Jose has died, etc.
>
> So if you are in for a good laugh, you'll want to read this:
> https://goo.gl/K3kzSl
>
> Cheri Mello
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Did I find the right passport?

[Cheri Mello]

There's a Maria born and died in 1892, a Manuel born and died in 1889, a
Maria born in 1887, and a Manuel born in 1884 and died in 1887. Joao and
Francisca married in 1882, so there could be one more baby (or not) between
1882 & 1884. There could be babies before marriage too (I don't think I
checked). I don't know who was born after Virginia b 1893.

Once you have the whole family complete, the Azorean passaportes will make
more sense.  Cheri

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Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Sat, Dec 10, 2016 at 11:02 AM, Elaine Mello  wrote:

>
> So far, I've only found 2 - Maria (1890) and Virginia (1893).
>
> So I'll take that Joao as being the wrong one.  I haven't been able to
> find out anything about Virginia other than what is on the baptism record.
>
> Elaine
>
> On Saturday, December 10, 2016 at 1:35:49 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>
>> Correction: Two lived to adulthood. Not sure about the 3rd.
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 10, 2016 at 10:34 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>
>>> Elaine,
>>> Funchal is Madeira island. Your people are from Ribeira Quente on Sao
>>> Miguel island, one of the 9 Azores Islands. The Madeira Islands (2 of them)
>>> are a different archipelago.
>>>
>>> I have no idea what Shirley is talking about. What do you have for the
>>> kids of Joao Ignacio de Lima and Francisca Rosa de Mello from Ribeira
>>> Quente? I have 6 kids, with 3 living to adulthood. I haven't run across a
>>> Joao.
>>> Cheri
>>>
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>> On Sat, Dec 10, 2016 at 10:14 AM, Elaine Mello 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 hi Margaret,

I found on ancestry a NY immigration:

New York Passenger List, 1820-1957
   Year: 1907: Arrival, New York, New York; Microfilm
Serial: T715, 1897-1959; Micriofilm roll: roll 0885;
Line 24; Page Number: 85

   Looking at the record again, I realize it has a different birth city
 - Funchal, so while the age is right, this may not be him.  But if you look
 up the page, Joao is line 28 that was the name I saw and jumped to the
 conclusion it was him.

 Its interesting to know that they would name their kids the same name -
 I guess George Foreman wasn't the first to do that, then! ;}

 Shirley, I do find the 14 year old Joao confusing, as there is a
 Virginia that was born in 1893 to Joao and Francisca, so unless there was a
 multiple birth or they adopted a child, he doesn't make sense.  But
 everything else matches up in terms of ages and names/parentage.

 Elaine
 Elaine

 On Friday, December 9, 2016 at 7:37:45 PM UTC-5, Mara wrote:
>
> Yes, and yes, it was.  Some times up to 4 and 5 Marias
>
> If you look at the 17 year old Maria, record # 52 year 1890, on the
> top right page, 6th line down, it reads"secunda de nome", second of 
> the
> name.  This confirms she is the 2nd Maria of this family thus far.
>
> Elaine, You mentioned Maria's Dad arrived in the USA same year, May
> 6th?  What documentation do you have to prove this? Francisca's passport #
> 675 states she is 52 years and a widow.
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: which port

[Cheri Mello]

Your original post:
<> I
answered that.

Then you switched gears and talked about arrival: <> That post had no question attached to it so
no one needed to respond.

Now you are talking about passports to a thread where you are talking about
Azorean records and American records. I have no idea which passport records
you seek: the American or the Azorean passaportes.

It sounds like you are new to genealogy. You need to start by getting a
genealogy software program (Legacy Family Tree has their Standard Edition
for free and RootsMagic has their Essentials free) and document everything,
creating a timeline for your ancestors. You will create the timeline
backwards, by beginning with the last event that occurred in their life:
death/burial. A how-to can be found on the Azores GenWeb here:
https://goo.gl/xYgVpZ

Do some of that stuff and post here on what you've done and what you need
clarification on.
Good luck, Cheri Mello

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Sat, Dec 10, 2016 at 10:44 AM, pjm47  wrote:

> In August of 1907 my grandfather came to the port of  New Bedford Ma USA.
> on the Pennisular according to the ships mannafest so to find the passport
> what do i need to do ??  His name was Francisco Fragoso de Mello and with
> his wife Jacintha and i cant find him here. Am i doing something wrong.
>
> On Friday, December 9, 2016 at 6:07:48 PM UTC-5, pjm47 wrote:
>
>> my grandfather lived in St Michael's in the Rosario parish of Lagoa.Which
>> port would be the closest to that parish for them to leave from.
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[AZORES-Genealogy] help with parent's names in marriage record

[Amy Francis]

I am having a hard time deciphering the handwriting in this marriage record 
from Sao Miguel, Vila Franca do Campo, if someone could help again, thank 
you so much.  I think I can read one of the parent's names out of the four 
- the father of the bride - Manuel de Medeiros.  

It is the marriage of Manuel da Costa and Maria Boteilha, bottom left. 

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1705-1743/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1705-1743_item1/P80.html

Thank you!


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Did I find the right passport?

[Elaine Mello]

So far, I've only found 2 - Maria (1890) and Virginia (1893).   

So I'll take that Joao as being the wrong one.  I haven't been able to find 
out anything about Virginia other than what is on the baptism record.

Elaine 

On Saturday, December 10, 2016 at 1:35:49 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Correction: Two lived to adulthood. Not sure about the 3rd.
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Sat, Dec 10, 2016 at 10:34 AM, Cheri Mello  > wrote:
>
>> Elaine,
>> Funchal is Madeira island. Your people are from Ribeira Quente on Sao 
>> Miguel island, one of the 9 Azores Islands. The Madeira Islands (2 of them) 
>> are a different archipelago.
>>
>> I have no idea what Shirley is talking about. What do you have for the 
>> kids of Joao Ignacio de Lima and Francisca Rosa de Mello from Ribeira 
>> Quente? I have 6 kids, with 3 living to adulthood. I haven't run across a 
>> Joao.
>> Cheri
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 10, 2016 at 10:14 AM, Elaine Mello > > wrote:
>>
>>> hi Margaret,
>>>
>>>I found on ancestry a NY immigration:  
>>>
>>>New York Passenger List, 1820-1957
>>>   Year: 1907: Arrival, New York, New York; Microfilm 
>>>Serial: T715, 1897-1959; Micriofilm roll: roll 0885;
>>>Line 24; Page Number: 85
>>>
>>>   Looking at the record again, I realize it has a different birth city - 
>>> Funchal, so while the age is right, this may not be him.  But if you look 
>>> up the page, Joao is line 28 that was the name I saw and jumped to the 
>>> conclusion it was him.
>>>
>>> Its interesting to know that they would name their kids the same name - 
>>> I guess George Foreman wasn't the first to do that, then! ;}
>>>
>>> Shirley, I do find the 14 year old Joao confusing, as there is a 
>>> Virginia that was born in 1893 to Joao and Francisca, so unless there was a 
>>> multiple birth or they adopted a child, he doesn't make sense.  But 
>>> everything else matches up in terms of ages and names/parentage.
>>>
>>> Elaine 
>>> Elaine
>>>
>>> On Friday, December 9, 2016 at 7:37:45 PM UTC-5, Mara wrote:

 Yes, and yes, it was.  Some times up to 4 and 5 Marias

 If you look at the 17 year old Maria, record # 52 year 1890, on the top 
 right page, 6th line down, it reads"secunda de nome", second of the 
 name.  This confirms she is the 2nd Maria of this family thus far.

 Elaine, You mentioned Maria's Dad arrived in the USA same year, May 
 6th?  What documentation do you have to prove this? Francisca's passport # 
 675 states she is 52 years and a widow.


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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: which port

[pjm47]

In August of 1907 my grandfather came to the port of  New Bedford Ma USA. 
on the Pennisular according to the ships mannafest so to find the passport 
what do i need to do ??  His name was Francisco Fragoso de Mello and with 
his wife Jacintha and i cant find him here. Am i doing something wrong.

On Friday, December 9, 2016 at 6:07:48 PM UTC-5, pjm47 wrote:
>
> my grandfather lived in St Michael's in the Rosario parish of Lagoa.Which 
> port would be the closest to that parish for them to leave from. 
>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Did I find the right passport?

[Cheri Mello]

Correction: Two lived to adulthood. Not sure about the 3rd.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Sat, Dec 10, 2016 at 10:34 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Elaine,
> Funchal is Madeira island. Your people are from Ribeira Quente on Sao
> Miguel island, one of the 9 Azores Islands. The Madeira Islands (2 of them)
> are a different archipelago.
>
> I have no idea what Shirley is talking about. What do you have for the
> kids of Joao Ignacio de Lima and Francisca Rosa de Mello from Ribeira
> Quente? I have 6 kids, with 3 living to adulthood. I haven't run across a
> Joao.
> Cheri
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Sat, Dec 10, 2016 at 10:14 AM, Elaine Mello 
> wrote:
>
>> hi Margaret,
>>
>>I found on ancestry a NY immigration:
>>
>>New York Passenger List, 1820-1957
>>   Year: 1907: Arrival, New York, New York; Microfilm
>>Serial: T715, 1897-1959; Micriofilm roll: roll 0885;
>>Line 24; Page Number: 85
>>
>>   Looking at the record again, I realize it has a different birth city -
>> Funchal, so while the age is right, this may not be him.  But if you look
>> up the page, Joao is line 28 that was the name I saw and jumped to the
>> conclusion it was him.
>>
>> Its interesting to know that they would name their kids the same name - I
>> guess George Foreman wasn't the first to do that, then! ;}
>>
>> Shirley, I do find the 14 year old Joao confusing, as there is a Virginia
>> that was born in 1893 to Joao and Francisca, so unless there was a multiple
>> birth or they adopted a child, he doesn't make sense.  But everything else
>> matches up in terms of ages and names/parentage.
>>
>> Elaine
>> Elaine
>>
>> On Friday, December 9, 2016 at 7:37:45 PM UTC-5, Mara wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes, and yes, it was.  Some times up to 4 and 5 Marias
>>>
>>> If you look at the 17 year old Maria, record # 52 year 1890, on the top
>>> right page, 6th line down, it reads"secunda de nome", second of the
>>> name.  This confirms she is the 2nd Maria of this family thus far.
>>>
>>> Elaine, You mentioned Maria's Dad arrived in the USA same year, May
>>> 6th?  What documentation do you have to prove this? Francisca's passport #
>>> 675 states she is 52 years and a widow.
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Did I find the right passport?

[Cheri Mello]

Elaine,
Funchal is Madeira island. Your people are from Ribeira Quente on Sao
Miguel island, one of the 9 Azores Islands. The Madeira Islands (2 of them)
are a different archipelago.

I have no idea what Shirley is talking about. What do you have for the kids
of Joao Ignacio de Lima and Francisca Rosa de Mello from Ribeira Quente? I
have 6 kids, with 3 living to adulthood. I haven't run across a Joao.
Cheri

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Sat, Dec 10, 2016 at 10:14 AM, Elaine Mello  wrote:

> hi Margaret,
>
>I found on ancestry a NY immigration:
>
>New York Passenger List, 1820-1957
>   Year: 1907: Arrival, New York, New York; Microfilm
>Serial: T715, 1897-1959; Micriofilm roll: roll 0885;
>Line 24; Page Number: 85
>
>   Looking at the record again, I realize it has a different birth city -
> Funchal, so while the age is right, this may not be him.  But if you look
> up the page, Joao is line 28 that was the name I saw and jumped to the
> conclusion it was him.
>
> Its interesting to know that they would name their kids the same name - I
> guess George Foreman wasn't the first to do that, then! ;}
>
> Shirley, I do find the 14 year old Joao confusing, as there is a Virginia
> that was born in 1893 to Joao and Francisca, so unless there was a multiple
> birth or they adopted a child, he doesn't make sense.  But everything else
> matches up in terms of ages and names/parentage.
>
> Elaine
> Elaine
>
> On Friday, December 9, 2016 at 7:37:45 PM UTC-5, Mara wrote:
>>
>> Yes, and yes, it was.  Some times up to 4 and 5 Marias
>>
>> If you look at the 17 year old Maria, record # 52 year 1890, on the top
>> right page, 6th line down, it reads"secunda de nome", second of the
>> name.  This confirms she is the 2nd Maria of this family thus far.
>>
>> Elaine, You mentioned Maria's Dad arrived in the USA same year, May 6th?
>> What documentation do you have to prove this? Francisca's passport # 675
>> states she is 52 years and a widow.
>>
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Did I find the right passport?

[Elaine Mello]

hi Margaret,

   I found on ancestry a NY immigration:  

   New York Passenger List, 1820-1957
  Year: 1907: Arrival, New York, New York; Microfilm 
   Serial: T715, 1897-1959; Micriofilm roll: roll 0885;
   Line 24; Page Number: 85

  Looking at the record again, I realize it has a different birth city - 
Funchal, so while the age is right, this may not be him.  But if you look 
up the page, Joao is line 28 that was the name I saw and jumped to the 
conclusion it was him.

Its interesting to know that they would name their kids the same name - I 
guess George Foreman wasn't the first to do that, then! ;}

Shirley, I do find the 14 year old Joao confusing, as there is a Virginia 
that was born in 1893 to Joao and Francisca, so unless there was a multiple 
birth or they adopted a child, he doesn't make sense.  But everything else 
matches up in terms of ages and names/parentage.

Elaine 
Elaine

On Friday, December 9, 2016 at 7:37:45 PM UTC-5, Mara wrote:
>
> Yes, and yes, it was.  Some times up to 4 and 5 Marias
>
> If you look at the 17 year old Maria, record # 52 year 1890, on the top 
> right page, 6th line down, it reads"secunda de nome", second of the 
> name.  This confirms she is the 2nd Maria of this family thus far.
>
> Elaine, You mentioned Maria's Dad arrived in the USA same year, May 6th?  
> What documentation do you have to prove this? Francisca's passport # 675 
> states she is 52 years and a widow.
>
>
>

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Did I find the right passport?

[Richard Francis Pimentel]

This is a perfect example of what happens when I haven’t finished my first cup 
of coffee. The record does say they are from Sao Roque. 

Rick

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Shirley Allegre
Sent: Friday, December 9, 2016 10:16 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Did I find the right passport?

 

This is what I see:  

I have them from Ribeira Quente.

Anybody else confused besides me

Shirley in CA

- Original Message - 

From: Richard Francis Pimentel   

To: azores@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Friday, December 09, 2016 5:46 AM

Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Did I find the right passport?

 

Looking at the record. Francisco/Francisca Rosa de Mello is the son/daughter of 
Manuel de Mello Barbosa and Maria Julia he/she is 50 years old and a 
widower/widow.

Maria de Lima age 20, Maria do Coracao/Carmo de Lima age 17 and Joao Ignacio de 
Lima age 14 I don't have any info on him. are the children of Jose Ignacio de 
Lima and Francisca Rosa they are all single and all are from Sao Roque.  

What I see in this record is Francisco/Francisca Rosa de Mello is most likely a 
relative the three minors and is accompanying them most likely to join their 
parents.

 

 

Rick

 

Richard Francis Pimentel

Epping, NH

Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and Ponta 
Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores

 

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Elaine Mello
Sent: Friday, December 9, 2016 8:04 AM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Did I find the right passport?

 

Hi everyone,

 

   I've been going page by page from about 1904 onwards looking for my 
parternal grandmather, Maria Lima.   It's been great looking at these records 
for those years from Porto Delgada, because whomever was writing the logs had 
the clearest handwriting I've seen so far.  I think I found her, but they 
weren't listed as coming from Ribeira Quente.  I'm assuming this is a mistake, 
as they just did an ellipses from the person above them rather than to write 
the correct town down.  

 

So on line 675 here:  
http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1906-1907/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1906-1907_item1/P114.html

 

I see the passport for Francisca Roza de Mello, whose parents were Manuel de 
Mello Barboza and Maria Julia.

The next line down is a Maria da Lima, with her parents listed, Joao Ignacio de 
Lima and Francisca Roza.

 

The line after that is another Maria Lima, who would be the right age for my 
grandmother, who was born in 1890.  I can't read the middle name listed there, 
and now there are two Marias there.  Looking at my family tree, Manuel had a 
brother Jose who also married a Francesca and their daughter was Maria, but I 
thought she was the same age, and she would have been a de Mello or Barboza, 
not a Lima.  

 

So is it possible that the first Maria was listed as my grandmother, but would 
in fact be the cousin?

 

And if this is the correct record, my grandmother would have had a little 
brother, also named Joao?

 

Thanks for you assistance!

 

Elaine

 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] translate please

[Margaret Vicente]

Cher, Liz the date at the of the left pg is the date the notary (lawyer)
set in his home to take the father's deposition who out of his own
conscience was assuming Manuel as his son with all the legal rights of any
son. There are no hints of age. I've seen this happen some times 12 - 20
years after the birth date.

On Sat, Dec 10, 2016 at 12:18 AM Cheri Mello  wrote:

> They said 16 Sept 1884 about 4 or 5 times (and one time it was 1884 and
> 4)! That date was a big deal!
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 9:08 PM, Liz Migliori  wrote:
>
> But it doesn't give any hint of age or year of birth?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 9, 2016, at 8:09 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
> You still need to find the baptism.
>
> A legitimization legitimizes the kid. The father comes forward and says
> he's the dad (or in the case of pais incognitos, both parents come
> forward). I'll try, but I'm not fluent and I've never trained myself to
> read these.
>
> It starts out 31 Dec 1884 at Sao Joao Batista church in Lajes do Pico,
> says Manuel Goulart Martins, married, mariner, living in this freguesia, in
> a public declaration/proclamation, that he acknowledges/recognizes Manuel,
> son of Perpetua da Conceicao, single, of this freguesia, and that the
> following proclamation was made: Manuel Goulart Martins, single, mariner,
> living in the freguesia of Sao Joao, on the 16 September 1884 I lose
> part of it here then In the year birth of our Lord Jesus Christ of 1884 (I
> think they wrote that year enough times already!) on the 16 day of the
> month of September of the current year in this village of Lajes do Pico,
> and the house of Antonio Homem da Costa I lose part of it here. I think
> I see the word "found" "witnesses" "end of this assigned???" Manuel Goulart
> Martins, single, of major age, maritime, living in the freguesia of Sao
> Joao (geez, how much vinho did this guy have???) son of Manuel Goulart
> Martins and of his wife Maria Francesca, both deceased, natives of the
> freguesia of Sao Joao, of whom I knew properly?? of the faith?? (that word
> is faith)...something about witnesses. They were present, the same
> witnesses, something something Manuel Goulart Martins something something
> something the son Manuel, single, son natural of Perpetua da Conceicao and
> of pai incognito...godfather Jose Ignacio Martins, married, treasurer,
> living in the something freguesia, and godmother the invocation of Our
> Lady. Then something about the parish record declared Manuel was the son of
> pai incognito (uhhh, they opened another bottle of wine)I lose it
> again. I see "declare that he and his son" ...I think he says again Manuel
> is his son. Then something about Manuel, his son, uses two surnames
> ...something then they have all the rights that they read of the king (huh
> what?) something sons/children...Something authority of the faith (???)
> .ratifiedassigned...witnesses Antonio Homem Costa and Manuel
> Leal de Brum, single, something something, living in this referenced Vila,
> of whom I know, Thome Cardoza de Simas Machado e Mello something public of
> notes (a notary?) It goes on again with the names, they attest to the
> truth, they paid the stamps of 1000 reis (unit of money) and another of ___
> reis (had to do with 15/50?), something 16 September 1884 and 4 and Mello
> (OK, now I need a bottle of wine). Something .. more or less of the said
> something..actual book of notes, number 25 ... conferred it was true
> without cause...two half pages of paper ...something something Simas. In
> this village of Lajes do Pico on the 16 day of September 1884 (they must
> have had a good crop of grapes). I Thome Cardozo de Simas Machado e Mello
> he blabs some more and says his name again. I think you get the gist.
> Manuel Goulart Martins signs at the end.
>
> Now I think I need some wine! LOL, just kidding. The native speakers are
> laughing hysterically!
> Cheri
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 6:35 PM, Elizabeth Migliori 
> wrote:
>
> I believe it is my great grandmother's son.  I have been trying to find
> his birth/baptism record.  I'm not sure I understand a legitimization.
> Who would be making him Legitimate?  Is someone adopting him? If he was
> Pai incognito then how does he get Legitimate?
> The mother's and neta materna names match.
> I can send it to Joao if it's to much I understand.  I thought I would try
> here first.
>
> Thx
> Liz
>
> On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 3:30 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
> You know this is a legitimization right? Is that what you are after? A
> Manuel born to pai incognito? I don't