Re: [backstage] Ping...
On Thu, Jun 02, 2011 at 07:01:18PM +0100, Scot McSweeney-Roberts wrote: Please let it not be a web based forum. Ugh. ~shudder~ [ O, HAI. ] -- If you see a long line of rats streaming off of a ship, the correct assumption is not Gosh, I bet that's a real nice boat now that those rats are gone. -- Mike Sphar - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Ping...
On Thu, Jun 02, 2011 at 07:32:30PM +0100, Ant Miller wrote: If the porcine artillery chief is against a web forum, then a web forum it ain't. contentious He's not a fan of top-posting, either... /contentious *cackle*. (looks like I chose the wrong week^W^W^W^Wmanaged to get a good day to notice backstage mail) (saving the intertubes from bloody forums, one-post at a time) -- Whether intentionally or not, fish control and potato control were billeted together in St. John's College, Oxford, making this ancient seat of higher learning the biggest fish and chip shop the world has ever seen. -- Peter Hennessey, on the organisation of wartime rationing - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Ping...
On Thu, Jun 02, 2011 at 05:50:55PM +0100, Giacomo Shimmings wrote: Me too. It would be rather nice if people could say who they are and what they're up to when they reply. I'm unlurking after goodnessknowshowmanyyears of not actually posting. I do too much, but fortunately, spell my name differently from most, so am fairly search-engine-of-choice'able. I sometimes manage to keep on top of email, too ;o) -- A computer lets you make more mistakes faster than any invention in human history -- with the possible exceptions of handguns and tequila. -- Mitch Ratcliffe, in 'Technology Review', 1992 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Freeview HD Content Management
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 11:10 AM, Nick Reynolds-FMT nick.reyno...@bbc.co.uk wrote: People say there's nothing people can do about this but Pirate Bay was closed down and fined heavily and I haven't seen much about them since. Perhaps you haven't heard much about them in the news, but they weren't closed down and I suspect that users of the site didn't notice any difference at all. Adam
Re: [backstage] Little iPlayer icon mashup
Brian Butterworth briant...@freeview.tv writes: I actually did that, but it's not really good on the performance front. Here it is: http://bnb.bpweb.net/iplayerimages/pandorica_with_links.html I guess the next trick is to add some Javascript so that when you click on one of the images, it then makes *that* image out of the others. You'd need a cache of the average pixel values for all the other images... -- Adam Sampson a...@offog.org http://offog.org/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Freeview HD Question
On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 10:29 AM, Scot McSweeney-Roberts bbc_backst...@mcsweeney-roberts.co.uk wrote: If they did it right then it would be a help (of sorts) to Open Source projects and everybody would be happy. All that's needed is a website where there's a form that includes an all import I agree to the terms and conditions tick box and then everyone who uses an open source project could individually get their own tables. This would be pretty much identical to how a lot of Open Source projects that connect to Web Services that need a developer API key work. That's an interesting point, and it's possible that something like that could be done. But the BBC would require as part of the download agreement that you had appropriate content management on the device, wouldn't they? And that's the part that is really a problem - forcing content management into the ecosystem. Adam
Re: [backstage] Freeview HD Content Management
I would assume that the rules for content protection would bar user created plugins from having access to the data. The Ofcom document had some comments from content providers about updates to the tables being necessary in the future if it gets broken, but it doesn't look like there are any firm plans there. If Freesat is using the same system of Huffman tables then what happened there? Are the tables public knowledge yet? Adam On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 6:30 PM, Phil Lewis backst...@linuxcentre.netwrote: So is this just going to be another region-coding like affair where 'people' release cracked firmware or just press a few magic button sequences on their remote to remove this protection? And what about those vendors who sell DVRs that have community contributed plugins (e.g. like Topfield did/does); that's just going to make a mockery of this mockworthy content protection. - Phil On Mon, 2010-06-14 at 18:21 +0100, Mo McRoberts wrote: On 14-Jun-2010, at 18:14, Alex Cockell wrote: So i'll have to buy box after box to watch content? doubtful. those which have been sold for FVHD already will have in-built support for the mechanism (it's specced by the ETSI DVB standards), but will likely need an update to get the decoding table. that is, unless they're going to use the same decoding table as Freesat (given the fact that it was claimed to have been generated from a large sample set in order to ensure optimal compression rates, it _should_ be)… M. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Freeview HD Content Management
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 3:57 PM, Mo McRoberts m...@nevali.net wrote: On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 15:49, Nick Reynolds-FMT nick.reyno...@bbc.co.uk wrote: The BBC had a choice a) do nothing and run the risk of content not be available to licence fee payers b) do something which does achieve the desired effect and has a very small negative impact on a very small group of people if indeed it has any negative effect at all with respect, Nick, you've repeatedly demonstrated that you have no technical understanding of the proposal. your choices above are simply factually incorrect, unless 'the desired effect' is something other than that which has been publicly reported. If the desired effect was to limit what the average consumer can do with TV - i.e. only making one recording, and limiting how they can transfer this around their home - then it looks like it could achieve it. This ensures that any consumer electronics for Freeview HD will have to have content management built in. Similar questions to Andrew's above will be asked, of course. Why can't I record this TV show?, Why do some of my shows not copy to my iPod?, etc.
Re: [backstage] Freeview HD Content Management
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 4:37 PM, Andrew Bowden andrew.bow...@bbc.co.ukwrote: From: Adam Bradley Similar questions to Andrew's above will be asked, of course. Why can't I record this TV show?, Unless I've missed something (and I'm sure someone will tell me if I have!) there's no proposals on the table to prevent people from recording HD content - as long as the user has a suitable device. The Ofcom document has a requirement: That no functional content management restrictions are placed on the recording of HD content onto a DVR which is integrated into a receiver. This is a welcome protection, but suggests that if I have (e.g.) a Freeview HD receiver and a separate Blu-Ray recorder then I won't be able to record. Also, the content protection rules aren't defined or regulated by Ofcom, but by what seems to be an industry group. I can't see what we have to stop them unilaterally changing these terms in future, and historically a do not record flag has been high on their list. Why do some of my shows not copy to my iPod?, etc. It's so hard for me currently to get SD content off my PVR and on to my iPod that I've never done it. Point taken, but it would be nice if someone made it easy in future and this just makes it less likely. Perhaps Why can't I stream this on my network player upstairs would be a more likely question in the future. Adam
Re: [backstage] Freeview HD Content Management
Andrew Bowden andrew.bow...@bbc.co.uk writes: It's so hard for me currently to get SD content off my PVR and on to my iPod that I've never done it. This is easy enough to automate however you like if you're using a software PVR such as MythTV -- it's the only way I listen to radio these days. I think it's a great shame that some at the BBC want to discourage this kind of development. While I'm sure the Huffman tables will be reverse-engineered soon enough, it'd be much better if I, as a license fee payer, could obtain a legal copy from the BBC for my personal use. UK copyright law is already very clear on exactly what I'm allowed to do in terms of time-shifting recordings... -- Adam Sampson a...@offog.org http://offog.org/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] BBC iPlayer and the Nokia N900
Hi, Nokia have released the Nokia N900 phone based on their Maemo operating system. As it doesn't support S60 WRT that the current Nokia phones iPlayer app is written in is there anyway i can access the iPlayer videos directly. I can access the current videos and play them, but they are unwatchable as the phone can't handle them. This might be due to the standard streams using the VP6 codec, although i haven't been able to confirm this. The specs are: * Firefox Mobile browser * Flash 9.4 * Maemo OS based on Debian with ARM processor * User Agent Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux armv7l; en-GB; rv:1.9.2a1pre) Gecko/20090928 Firefox/3.5 Maemo Browser 1.4.1.21 RX-51 N900 Is there a work around to get iPlayer working on this phone and videos watchable? Thanks Adam - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BBC News - Googlejuice vs Usability
Brian Butterworth briant...@freeview.tv writes: BBC News headlines go from 33 characters (because of Ceefax) to 66 I always wondered if there was someone working for Ceefax who took great pride in working out how to word all their news headlines to be exactly the same length. A screenshot I took on 29th July 2001 reads: PROBE URGED INTO VIRUS SHEEP SCAM ISRAEL Police storm mosque compound TRAIN Prosecutors handed crash file TERRORISM Four held by Irish police DEATHS Lake-plunge youngsters named SARAH Derisory payout for parents INDIA PM attacks Pakistan president CAT Woman dies after vein scratched BODY OF MAN FOUND BESIDE MAJOR ROAD ATTACK Mother-of-four badly injured FIRE Motorway brought to standstill CENTRE New development for disabled PAYNE Payouts to parents derigory HEAT Motorways jammed by sunseekers CHARITY Prince to attend polo match INJURY Woman dies after cat scratch IN BRIEF News from round the region -- Adam Sampson a...@offog.org http://offog.org/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Get me off this list!
Its a majordomo list so you may be able to remove yourself with a few emails Email : majord...@lists.bbc.co.uk mailto:majord...@lists.bbc.co.uk In the message put unsubscribe backstage or the following if you want to unsubscribe a different email account unsubscribe backstage y...@email.com If that doesn't work try: unsubscribe * unsubscribe * y...@email.com Hopefully that unsubscribe you from all list. Adam Zen wrote: PLEASE - I second this! On 11 Sep 2009, at 15:03, Simon Cross wrote: Me too. Can someone please fix the unsubscribe? S On 10/09/2009 15:05, Alun Rowe alun.r...@pentangle.co.uk x-msg://35/alun.r...@pentangle.co.uk wrote: Visiting this: http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html Then putting in my details and pressing GO sends me to http://www.bbc.co.uk/cgi-bin/cgiemail/creativearchive/backstage/discuss.txt Which says: Error No email was sent due to an error. 500 Could not open template - No such file or directory /home/system/www/creativearchive/backstage/discuss.txt cgiemail 1.6 Help! -- Simon Cross Product Manager, BBC iD Online Media Group, Future Media and Technology, BC4 C4, Broadcast Centre, White City simon.cr...@bbc.co.uk x-msg://35/simon.cr...@bbc.co.uk 07967 444 304 twitter: sicross
Re: [backstage] Music Hack Day
Good question. There's been talk of opening things up to ad hoc workshops beyond the official ones (I'll be giving tutorials on The Echo Nest's various APIs), but I'm not sure how un-conference-y it will be. adam Ian Forrester wrote: I was wondering if it was purely hack or there will be parts of a unconferences too? Cheers, Ian Forrester This e-mail is: []secret; [x]private; []public Senior Producer, BBC Backstage, BBC RD Room 1044, BBC Manchester BH, Oxford Road, M60 1SJ email: ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk work: +44 (0)1612444063 | mob: +44 (0)7711913293 -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Adam Lindsay Sent: 20 June 2009 12:10 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] Music Hack Day Hey all, I'm peripherally involved with the organisation of the upcoming Music Hack Day http://musichackday.org/, and I only just realised it didn't get a mention here. It will be 11-12 July 2009, at Guardian Offices near Kings Cross, London. It'll be a weekend event about music APIs, with the usual 24-hack-a-thon in the middle. Current representation is from: * 7digital * The Echo Nest * Gigulate * Last.fm * People's Music Store * Songkick * SoundCloud With further workshops from: * RjDj * Tinker it! (I also note that there are a lot of folks signed up with a BBC affiliation--drop me a line if you're one of them...) We're at the point of looking at who to invite, it's not long before invites go out, so drop by the registration page ASAP. http://musichackday.org/info/Register Cheers, adam - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] Music Hack Day
Hey all, I'm peripherally involved with the organisation of the upcoming Music Hack Day http://musichackday.org/, and I only just realised it didn't get a mention here. It will be 11-12 July 2009, at Guardian Offices near Kings Cross, London. It'll be a weekend event about music APIs, with the usual 24-hack-a-thon in the middle. Current representation is from: * 7digital * The Echo Nest * Gigulate * Last.fm * People's Music Store * Songkick * SoundCloud With further workshops from: * RjDj * Tinker it! (I also note that there are a lot of folks signed up with a BBC affiliation--drop me a line if you're one of them...) We're at the point of looking at who to invite, it's not long before invites go out, so drop by the registration page ASAP. http://musichackday.org/info/Register Cheers, adam - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Make the primary operating system used in state schools free and open source
Richard Lockwood wrote: I allege that the advantages of switching to Free Software *can* outweigh the costs (sic) of support, teaching, and third party staff upgrading their skills to more open, flexible and studiable systems. ;-) I like the use of the word allege. Can you demonstrate it? There is number of problems that prevent the wide use of Linux, Open Office and other open source applications. These are: * Microsoft offers the OS and Office at extremely competitive prices to schools. I have heard it quoted as being around £5 per license for Office. * Parents have an expectation that MS Office will be taught in the classroom as it is what they know and use in their work place. * The majority of schools have limited IT resources and might have limited experience of using and securing Linux and other open source software. They could be substantial costs in retraining staff. I totally agree that opensource has a great to offer schools with applications like Moodle, Audacity and many others, but currently I don't think many schools are ready for Linux/Ubuntu and OpenOffice. Its a shame BBC Jam was killed. That could have really improved the educational software market. Adam
Re: [backstage] iPlayer caching
On Thu, 2008-12-18 at 21:06 +, Andy wrote: 2008/12/18 Brian Butterworth briant...@freeview.tv: And with Adobe's AIR on Linux. [ducks again] It's NOT on Linux. It's on 3 specific distribution versions of Linux. Fedora Core 8, Ubuntu 7.10, openSUSE 10.3 From http://www.adobe.com/products/air/systemreqs/ Ubuntu 7.10 isn't the newest version, neither is it a Long Term Support version, support for 7.10 will be terminated in April 09[1]. This rules out most Ubuntu users who will not be on this version. The newest version of Ubuntu is 8.10[2] (2 versions newer than 7.10). I don't know about Fedora or OpenSuSE, but iPlayer desktop works on Ubuntu Intepid Ibex (8.10). The BBC iPlayer desktop will probably not install on previous versions of Ubuntu as it requires Flash 10 to be installed and that was only released recently. I'm just watching Never Mind the Buzzcocks (http://tinyurl.com/5stc6v) . Shame there doesn't seem to be many programs available for download yet. I'm really impressed with the AIR client, shame you can't browse an available list of programs in the app. Thanks Adam - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] Comment Blogs and FP7 Proposal
Hi, Thanks to Steve, Michael, Paul, Stephen, and Andrew for their replies to my previous posting. I've still not been able to get in contact members of the Innovation Culture team at the BBC in order to invite them to consider participating in an FP7 Internet and Communication Technology/Future and Emerging Technology proposal. But, perhaps someone there reads this list, so I'll knock on this log-drum a bit more. Besides, perhaps there are others who would be interested. The basic idea: To develop an online decision-support tool that supports dynamic, collaborative, open, devolved, multi-lingual argumentation using a controlled language which parses the input, then transforms it into a formalised, implemented language of argumentation that enables automatic calculation of justified claims. Output is generated in natural language or as an argument graph. Simply put, users would enter their comments in a structured format (natural language rather than semantic web markup), the automated part of the system would parse the input, provide a semantic representation, link the comment to previous comments in a structured way, then calculate results of the current standing of the debate. We have a concept of how to do this in a reasonable fashion; we have an excellent team of collaborators. The BBC's role would be to provide data, user requirements, and a test context for this system. The comment blogs give us data to analyse how such debates are currently used; the results of our analysis would contribute to the construction of the tool. The BBC is interesting to us because it supports comment debates, has a public mandate, and functions across languages. The tool would productively use and contribute to the BBCs comment content. Turning to some of the specific suggestions. Paul suggested: Have Your Say has an RSS feed of comments http://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/rss/rssmessages.jspa?forumID=5700 You can get more than the standard 20 or so messages it throws out by adding numItems=500 to the URL. This works nicely and I see how to get more from similar blogs I also now see that other blog sites (Guardian) also allow one to download all comments with respect to a particular posting. The drawback is that I have to go from blog to blog manually. I would prefer some central, indexed repository (if one exists) of blogs plus comments. Stephen commented on this point: ...someone involved in that section of the bbc site might be able to point you to a raw feed of all comments within a forum. I'm sure Ian can find out if it is possible to open up some form of official comment feeds to backstage. However, I've not heard more about this (it is only Monday though...) I don't see how to make use of Stephen's comment: http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blogs/ -- posting/accessing directly is restricted to invite only, i suspect it only works when added to a blog by SSI. Andrew wrote about another source of comments: a comments feed for a most interesting recent post on BBCi Labs, is http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog131/rss/acs?dnauid=movabletype131_40565 What I took away from this is that where there are blogs with comments, I should 1. Look to see if there is a list of all blog comments available 2. Look at the page source to see what sort of information on rss is available, as that might allow me to link to where the comments are stored? One additional point, I didn't know this previously, but there are apparently blog specific search tools. If I knew more about the URL structure of the blogs with comments at the BBC, I could use the search tools to search within a specified domain. That could be helpful. In any case, many thanks for these suggestions. Cheers, Adam Dr. Adam Wyner Department of Computer Science King's College London - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Dailysnooze Vista Gadgets
On Sat, 2008-11-22 at 14:29 +, Fraser Murrell wrote: Hi Terry all, Hang in there on this one - the web hosting company (who shall remain nameless otherwise I will start swearing loudly) - moved my website + services into a special monitoring area at the beginning of the month, and (according to support) forgot to move it back to their production servers. For some reason my domain then got auto-removed from their name servers, so no-one can reach my site. Frustratingly it took me a day to convince their support team that the problem was not a problem with my computer, or my ISP.. Tut! Should apparently be fixed today though. Fasthosts have had a bad few years. I stopped using them when i discovered they didn't have a backup solution and someone attacked the Telewest cable and took all Fasthosts sites down for 10 hours (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/06/26/telewest_fasthosts/) Anyone able to recommend a decent UK host? Adam - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] Two questions: Comment Blogs and EU proposals
Hi All, I'm new on this list. Two questions. 1. Is there any way to access the blog comments that users make in response to some articles/opinions that appear in the BBC news or other sites? I am some colleagues are interested to develop some applications for such comments. 2. Does anyone know how I can successfully contact members of the Innovation Culture team at BBC Research and Innovation? I am writing an EU Framework Programme 7 proposal which I would like to pitch to the Innovation Team, the BBC being a use case for which we would gather data, requirements, and test a prototype system. I've tried calling and emailing, but had no success so far. I think the BBC would be very keen to participate in this project and find it very useful. If you want to know more about the proposal, you can check out a workshop I co-organised. It is on legal language, but the FP7 proposal is more general. See the conference site - Workshops - Natural Language Engineering of Legal Argumentation: http://www.ittig.cnr.it/Jurix08/ Cheers, Adam Wyner - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Flash everywhere
On Wed, 2008-11-19 at 19:19 +, Paul Battley wrote: 2008/11/19 Ian Forrester [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Adobe notes that 98 percent of computers have Flash installed, and it is becoming crucial to have it to enjoy the Internet. That is of course, unless you own an iPhone. This is what scares me about Flash. Adobe's gaining a monopoly over the internet. Being dependent on one company is a practical drawback as well as an ideological one: there's no Flash for 64-bit Linux, for example, let alone more obscure platforms, and this is a practical barrier to the emergence of new technologies. They are increasing the availability of Flash as there is an alpha version of Flash 10 for 64-bit Linux that you can download from http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer10/ Adam - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] How come more and more of my iPlayer content seems to be being served by Yahoo?
Christopher Woods wrote: D:\Documents and Settings\Christophertracert 92.122.210.183 Tracing route to a92-122-210-183.deploy.akamaitechnologies.com [92.122.210.183] over a maximum of 30 hops: 1 1 ms 2 ms 3 ms brum2-router0 [192.168.1.1] 2 *** Request timed out. 327 ms32 ms30 ms 213.161.72.69 456 ms21 ms27 ms so-0-0-0.mpr1.lhr2.uk.above.net [64.125.27.225] 540 ms56 ms57 ms ge-4-0-0-1303-dcr2.tsd.cw.net [166.63.218.193] 665 ms20 ms20 ms xe-4-2-0.xcr1.lnd.cw.net [195.2.25.58] 7 * 21 ms22 ms akamai-gw4.ldt.cw.net [195.2.15.134] 820 ms21 ms21 ms a92-122-210-183.deploy.akamaitechnologies.com [92.122.210.183] Trace complete. D:\Documents and Settings\Christophertracert 213.155.157.140 Tracing route to UNKNOWN-213-155-157-140.yahoo.com [213.155.157.140] over a maximum of 30 hops: 11 ms1 ms1 ms brum2-router0 [192.168.1.1] 2 *** Request timed out. 3 * 75 ms20 ms 213.161.72.69 460 ms72 ms34 ms ldn-b3-link.telia.net [213.248.101.105] 522 ms48 ms21 ms UNKNOWN-213-155-157-140.yahoo.com [213.155.157.140] Trace complete. Both of the ip addresses are owned by Akamai content distribution network that BBC Yahoo use to distribute their content. *whois 213.155.157.140* inetnum:213.155.157.0 - 213.155.157.255 netname:AKAMAI descr: Akamai International B.V. org:ORG-AIB7-RIPE country:GB admin-c:NARA1-RIPE tech-c: NARA1-RIPE status: ASSIGNED PA mnt-by: TELIANET-LIR source: RIPE # Filtered *whois 92.122.210.183* inetnum:92.122.0.0 - 92.123.255.255 netname:EU-AKAMAI-20071113 descr: Akamai Technologies country:EU org:ORG-AT1-RIPE admin-c:NARA1-RIPE admin-c:NF1714-RIPE tech-c: NARA1-RIPE tech-c: NF1714-RIPE status: ALLOCATED PA mnt-by: RIPE-NCC-HM-MNT mnt-lower: AKAM1-RIPE-MNT mnt-routes: AKAM1-RIPE-MNT mnt-domains:AKAM1-RIPE-MNT source: RIPE # Filtered Adam
Re: [backstage] [ORG-discuss] DRM Free BBC Content on GNU/Linux (Ubuntu)
I have been using this service on off for the past month with Totem plugin in Ubuntu Intrepid Ibex. Its great having all the podcasts, however does anyone know when the news stories will have the correct video attached and not the video of the Channel Tunnel being closed. Shame the Dirac testing stream video has gone, that was a great example of high quality video streaming and a decent cartoon. Adam On Sat, 2008-11-01 at 10:58 +, Mr I Forrester wrote: http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/news/archives/2008/11/george_wright_r.html Video and Writing for everyone... enjoy! On Thu, 2008-10-30 at 21:23 +, Rob Myers wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ian Forrester wrote: I'm trying to get the guys behind this to do a full piece on backstage about it. That would be brilliant! - - Rob. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkkKJc4ACgkQCZbRMCZZBfZGDwCggyJV4vo3nVf1xhDEYzyCdzK5 lNYAn1NR/DkUP+H+djo0GaMhXlvFss6Y =e0Mx -END PGP SIGNATURE- - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] TV Schedule web api
Hi Matt, I currently use the TV-Anytime feeds and have been tempted to move to the programmes feed, however there are a few problems with making the change. These are: * only short descriptions available * no genre information on channel listings page (ie http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcone/programmes/schedules/south_east.xml) * no link between data in TV-Anytime feeds and programmes, making any historic information difficult to integrate. Any suggestions of how to get around these problems, so i can finally do the switch. Adam Matt Hammond wrote: I'm looking at trying to add TV-Anytime as a format to /programmes. Out of interest, I'd be interested to know what api calls you, or any others, are/were planning on using, and what parts of the data you would be extracting. As is inevitably the case, for some parts of TV-Anytime format, there is a clean mapping from data in the /programmes back-end, but for others it is less clear! regards Matt On Mon, 27 Oct 2008 15:51:22 -, Chris Newell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 15:05 2008-10-27, you wrote: I was wondering if anyone knew if this web scheduling api was actively maintained http://www0.rdthdo.bbc.co.uk/services/api/ Anthony, The API is maintained but we would encourage you to use http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/developers for new applications. My question inparticular is: If anyone minded if it was used directly by a user application, or would prefer if the results from it were cached in a file ? Many people use the API directly but you can also download bulk data files from: http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/feeds/tvradio/ Cheers, Chris - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] Head Conference
Is anyone going to any of the Head Conference Hubs? Adam - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Track Playing (http://www.trackplaying.com)
Wow! Looks good. I've not been tracking backstage very closely, so I'm a bit baffled as to where you're getting your currently-playing feeds from. I had been depending on the AMI hackday feeds, which were turned off last month. Whatever you use, I'd love to hook it back up to my born-at-Mashed08-but-just-deployed-today Twitter bot at: http://twitter.com/recomme adam Chris Riley wrote: Hi all I've written a new mashup - http://www.trackplaying.com http://www.trackplaying.com/ - it displays information about the track currently playing on the radio.* It takes data from BBC Music (beta), Last.fm and Amazon, and is hosted on Google App Engine. Mashup heaven! It is based on my previous attempt http://cgriley.com/nowplaying/ that some of you may recall. Hope you all find it useful / of interest. Chris Riley *Lets hope this gets the BBC Radio2 Last.fm feed fixed ;o) - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Track Playing (http://www.trackplaying.com)
Erp, I hate self-repliers. I just re-read Chris's message from 1 August, which gave some URLs. James Cridland's disclaimers and promises of what were to come put me off relying on them deploying http://recom.me/ adam Adam Lindsay wrote: Wow! Looks good. I've not been tracking backstage very closely, so I'm a bit baffled as to where you're getting your currently-playing feeds from. I had been depending on the AMI hackday feeds, which were turned off last month. Whatever you use, I'd love to hook it back up to my born-at-Mashed08-but-just-deployed-today Twitter bot at: http://twitter.com/recomme adam Chris Riley wrote: Hi all I've written a new mashup - http://www.trackplaying.com http://www.trackplaying.com/ - it displays information about the track currently playing on the radio.* It takes data from BBC Music (beta), Last.fm and Amazon, and is hosted on Google App Engine. Mashup heaven! It is based on my previous attempt http://cgriley.com/nowplaying/ that some of you may recall. Hope you all find it useful / of interest. Chris Riley *Lets hope this gets the BBC Radio2 Last.fm feed fixed ;o) - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Inline hypertext links - you're doing it wrong!
Brian Butterworth wrote: It's probably worth having a look at this story on the BBC News The Editors: http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/2008/08/new_ways_of_linking.html I can't think of a better example of doing something really simple and straightforward completely wrong. Instead of a a href=/a there loads of silly Javascript popus like those rather mad adverts you get on some sites. You wouldn't think there's been a standard way of doing this for almost 15 years... I actually like the idea that they are using javascript to insert the links into the page, as it means with noscript it is possible to block apture.com and then all the links disappear. Adam - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] TV Feeds
Hi, Could someone give the TV feeds server a kick as i've just noticed that there hasn't been an update of TV Anytime feeds since 18-Jul-2008 10:08:27 and my site has run out of listings info :-( Thanks Adam - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] TV Feeds
On Tue, 2008-07-22 at 17:21 +0100, Andrew McParland wrote: Adam, Server kicked! Thanks Brian is right that moving forward getting data from /programmes is probably a better idea as this is a supported BBC service rather than our temporary (ahem), experimental TV-Anytime file service and API. Internally we're looking at using /programmes, and the data source it is based on, for our research work so that we wouldn't have to maintain the backstage files and keep the API going as a separate system. Is there anything that you (or others) get from the TV-Anytime files or API that you don't get at the moment from /programmes and would like to see continue in some form? Having a quick comparison of the TV Anytime and Programmes XML the main difference is genre information. This appears on the program detail pages, but not on the program list xml. Other data in the TV Anytime feeds that could be usful, but i don't currently use: * Related Media details (ie normally a link to the show homepage) * Keywords * Accessibility info - whether caption and subtitles are available. * Credits list - its not available for many programs, so i've never seen the point in using it. I'll try and find some time over the next few weeks to switch over to the Programmes API. Adam - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] BBC iPlayer - why the missing TV channel?
Inferior to Sky HD / Freesat / Virgin V+ then (broadcast at 1080i25), or is the compression lower? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Butterworth Sent: 11 July 2008 11:10 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] BBC iPlayer - why the missing TV channel? I guess 720p24 *is* technically a true, actual high definition standard, although I would be very sad to see it widely adopted... :-) (I think that for most *video* material, of actual moving subjects, you'd be better off picking a lower spatial resolution and a higher frame rate. Except for material where the director has deliberately chosen a low frame rate for effect, of course.) 25fps, 1280x720, 16:9 (0.87 megapixels) is what is going to be in Freeview HD, the DVB-T2 service. -- Brian Butterworth http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002
RE: [backstage] BBC iPlayer - why the missing TV channel?
Does anyone know of any study results or resources on perceived quality comparisons between various resolutions (e.g. 1080i25 vs 720p50) encodings? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Jolly Sent: 11 July 2008 12:49 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] BBC iPlayer - why the missing TV channel? Brian Butterworth wrote: 25fps, 1280x720, 16:9 (0.87 megapixels) is what is going to be in Freeview HD, the DVB-T2 service. I'm not aware that anyone has ever suggested a 720p25 HD service in the UK. Ofcom have proposed putting four *720p50* services into a DVB-T2 multiplex. S - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] BBC iPlayer - why the missing TV channel?
Very interesting - many thanks! Hans Hoffman has done some research in this area for the EBU: http://www.ebu.ch/en/technical/trev/trev_308-hdtv.pdf has some early qualitative opinions in, and there's a presentation of his more recent, quantitative work at http://hdmasters2007.com/pdf/Presentations/HDM2007_Hoffmann-EBU.pdf Personally I found his results intriguingly counter-intuitive (in a good way). :-) Rainer Schaefer reports on the work done by the EBU D/HDC group in section 2.5 of http://www.ebu.ch/CMSimages/en/PMC08%20Report-FINAL_tcm6-58345.pdf - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] BBC iPlayer - why the missing TV channel?
It claims to be true 1280x720 @24fps... http://vimeo.com/help/hd ... But wait, it can't really be HD... can it? Yes! It's real, true, actual high definition. No tricks. Some other sites (we won't name names) and even a few major media producers have been offering low resolution video as HD just because it's slightly higher than the quality typically seen on video sharing web sites, hoping you won't notice. Don't be fooled, Vimeo HD is true 1280×720, up to 24fps. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Jolly Sent: 09 July 2008 21:20 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] BBC iPlayer - why the missing TV channel? Tom Hannen wrote: The iPlayer is great, but in terms of HD, Vimeo now seems to be the place to look at. Their HD channel is amazing, but unfortunately relegates the BBC's iPlayer into looking like yesterday's technology... Their HD channel is here: http://vimeo.com/channel778e An example: http://vimeo.com/775442 At 360 vertical lines, that's barely more resolution than the old quarter-screen BBC Parliament service on Freeview - it's not even SD quality. The video quality is better than the streaming iPlayer service (I don't have a Windows PC handy to try the iPlayer download service, which is higher quality), but calling it HD is a bit of a cheek. S - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] UNSUBSCRIBE ME PLEAS£!
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard Lockwood Sent: 04 July 2008 10:24 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 16:40:58 +0100 Have you ever considered your freedom, or do you thrive off being facetious? Yes. I regular consider my freedom. My freedom to consider, carefully think about and, where appropriate amend my views. My rights to not be hectored, badgered and lectured at, at every possible opportunity, by people who consider their views (or rather, views that they've taken verbatim from a third party) the only possible moral stance, and by people who use inflammatory and emotive words such as evil in entirely inappropriate circumstances. How about you? Rich.
RE: [backstage] Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 16:40:58 +0100
I wish I could be excluded from this banal tit-for-tat kids game! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Fred Phillips Sent: 04 July 2008 15:33 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 16:40:58 +0100 On Fri Jul 4 15:16:03 2008, Richard Lockwood wrote: On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 1:33 PM, Fred Phillips [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri Jul 4 11:59:45 2008, Richard Lockwood wrote: If you don't want to use non-free software, then don't. Don't go trying to impose your restrictions on the rest of us. You don't want to code with AIR, then don't. Simple solution. But it is suggested that this competition be _only_ provided to people who use non‐free software. It's not a simple solution, if people choose not use Adobe AIR they cannot enter the competition. Mummy, the big boys won't let me play!!! You've made your bed - now lie in it. R. So it’s okay to exlude people because of their beliefs? - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] New Government APIs (plus win 20k to develop your mashup idea)
On the subject of open maps (or not so in the case of the OS), you might be interested in this project: http://openstreetmap.org/ (the idea being to create open free to use street map data) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Butterworth Sent: 02 July 2008 12:02 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] New Government APIs (plus win 20k to develop your mashup idea) This looks quite interesting... http://openspace.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/openspace/ 2008/7/2 Tom Loosemore [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The Cabinet Office's Power of Information Task Force just launched a competition for mash up ideas using public data. See www.ShowUsABetterway.com Some new government APIsand data dumps too: http://www.showusabetterway.co.uk/call/data.html Neighbourhood Statistics API from the ONS, Health care information API from NHS Choices, a list of all UK schools from the DCSF and the zip of Official Notices from the London Gazette. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Brian Butterworth http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002
Re: [backstage] New Government APIs (plus win 20k to develop your mashup idea)
I doubt you have very little chance with the BBC as i think they republished information maintained by a third party who have very strict distribution rules. Your probably better trying to talk to the FA. Alternativly there is the following message at the bottom of the fixture list, however its probably very expensive to purchase the rights. Copyright © and Database Right 2008[/9] The Football Association Premier League Ltd / The Football League Ltd / The Scottish Premier League Ltd / The Scottish Football League. All rights reserved. No part of this publication may be reproduced, stored in a retrieval system or transmitted in any way or by any means, (including photocopying, recording or storing it in any medium by electronic means), without the written permission of the copyright/database right owner. Applications for written permission should be addressed c/o Football DataCo Ltd, 30 Gloucester Place, London W1U 8PL. Rafiq Swash wrote: I am building a football discussion website. I would like to use BBC API to retrieve football scores and also league tables. Is there anyone who can give a little tip please. thank you regards, Rafiq *From:* Adam Hatia mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Wednesday, July 02, 2008 2:25 PM *To:* backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk mailto:backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk *Subject:* RE: [backstage] New Government APIs (plus win 20k to develop your mashup idea) On the subject of open maps (or not so in the case of the OS), you might be interested in this project: http://openstreetmap.org/ (the idea being to create open free to use street map data) *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Brian Butterworth *Sent:* 02 July 2008 12:02 *To:* backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk mailto:backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk *Subject:* Re: [backstage] New Government APIs (plus win 20k to develop your mashup idea) This looks quite interesting... http://openspace.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/openspace/ 2008/7/2 Tom Loosemore [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: The Cabinet Office's Power of Information Task Force just launched a competition for mash up ideas using public data. See www.ShowUsABetterway.com http://www.ShowUsABetterway.com Some new government APIsand data dumps too: http://www.showusabetterway.co.uk/call/data.html Neighbourhood Statistics API from the ONS, Health care information API from NHS Choices, a list of all UK schools from the DCSF and the zip of Official Notices from the London Gazette. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk http://backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Brian Butterworth http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002
Re: [backstage] So was *this* what Mr. Cridland was referring to recently?
Christopher Woods wrote: Tech question - what encoder(s) are you using? If it's software in realtime or close-to-realtime, please (please please) say it's Lame 3.97. If the backend is using the Fraunhofer FhG codec, I think I might contemplate going and banging my head against a wall for a little while. Wait, what? You don't believe in inventors being able to profit directly from their inventions by selling software? I mean, there are lots of things wrong with the patent system, but it's not like FhG are patent trolls or this is a submarine. They're (co-)inventors, and they even sell software based on it, not simply lying back and collecting on past IP... adam - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Use visualisations of audio in your mashups!
Alia, Again, that looks nifty. For my thinking, though, I'd be much more drawn to the feature vectors that you're extracting, especially as it could possibly be combined with: http://developer.echonest.com/docs/analyze Any possibility of this happening? adam Alia Sheikh wrote: Hi again! We've been doing some work on automatically extracting colours from audio, to allow us to better navigate that audio. It works suprisingly well at actually revealing the structure of a peice of audio content. For Mashed we're making available a web-based service that allows you to put an mp3 in and get a coloured jpg out, for use in any way you see fit. More info at: http://mashed08.backnetwork.com/event/?articleid=26 Email me ifor a username and password to the service, if you'd like to have a play beforehand. Alia Sheikh Research Engineer Kingswood Warren - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Use visualisations of audio in your mashups!
Coool. That, indeed, is flap-worthy. I think I need to find a proper sleeping bag now. adam Alia Sheikh wrote: Hi Adam, sounds like you've read the white paper?:) so the current flap is about this promise we've made on the website: At this web page http://mprr.kw.bbc.co.uk/cgi-bin/vis/avnyou'll be able to generate your own jpg visualisatons for your mp3 files and use them in your mashups. You will also find a download link to get the visualisation data as a text file of RGB values (once we've added this functionality!) Would that do you?:) I can talk to you at *great length* on the day about where the rgb values come from and how to generate them from scratch. Alia-currently-typing-this-with-one-finger-while-eating-lunch Adam Lindsay wrote: Alia, Again, that looks nifty. For my thinking, though, I'd be much more drawn to the feature vectors that you're extracting, especially as it could possibly be combined with: http://developer.echonest.com/docs/analyze Any possibility of this happening? adam Alia Sheikh wrote: Hi again! We've been doing some work on automatically extracting colours from audio, to allow us to better navigate that audio. It works suprisingly well at actually revealing the structure of a peice of audio content. For Mashed we're making available a web-based service that allows you to put an mp3 in and get a coloured jpg out, for use in any way you see fit. More info at: http://mashed08.backnetwork.com/event/?articleid=26 Email me ifor a username and password to the service, if you'd like to have a play beforehand. Alia Sheikh Research Engineer Kingswood Warren - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Nabaztags and BBC Radio...
Andrew Wong wrote: Just wondering, does anyone here have a Nabaztag, and have they managed to get it broadcasting streams from BBC Radio, eg Radio 1 or 6 Music? Andrew, thinking of shopping for one... (this is NOT a BBC endorsement of a French product, needless to say!) I've got one a Nabaztag, but until BBC provide MP3 streams i've got no chance of getting it to work. Any chance something might be announced before this weekend as i could bring it along and get it working. Adam
Re: [backstage] RealPlayer banished Toady!
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can Flash be reduced to a controllable toolbar on your start bar, and can it be told to stay on top of other windows ... both features that I for one use a lot with WMP and (OMG) RP as well. I think this can be done using AIR, but i haven't had a chance to play with creating my own AIR application yet. Adam
Re: [backstage] RealPlayer banished Toady!
Paul Battley [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It looks like the audio data's just MP3; it would be even more user friendly if it just used HTTP instead of obfuscating it with a proprietary protocol (RTMP). The obvious approach here would be to have a play with standalone MP3 player link, just like the existing RealMedia-based thing does. -- Adam Sampson [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://offog.org/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] BBC Look East HTML rich newsletter
Brian,
For example, you can't use the class operator to format items. I
have used this rather basic function to translate my class items to
the
more basic style items:
Actually, CSS stylesheets are fully supported by Outlook, Outlook
Express, and Thunderbird at least, and I am using CSS to generate
size-efficient HTML emails that use the stylesheets from the website
(though obviously, the path to the css file needs to be a full absolute
URL) - do you still have an email client that doesn't support CSS, if
so, what is it?
Adam
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Butterworth
Sent: 05 June 2008 07:55
To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
Subject: Re: [backstage] BBC Look East HTML rich newsletter
Matt,
I sorted an automatic email notification system just recently on
ukfree.tv and I think I might be able to give you a few pointers. The
site uses PHP, so my examples will be in that. If you can't follow it,
then let me know.
(You can subscribe/unsubscribe by visiting http://www.ukfree.tv/ and
using the box in the 'my settings' item at the top left.
To send an HTML email, as you have already found out I guess, you need
to ensure you have the right headers:
function sendHTMLemail($strEmail, $strHTML, $strSubject)
{
// To send HTML mail, the Content-type header must be set
$strHeaders = 'MIME-Version: 1.0' . \r\n;
$strHeaders .= 'Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1' . \r\n;
// Additional headers
$strHeaders .= To: $strEmail $strEmail\r\n;
$strHeaders .= From: --- updates [EMAIL PROTECTED]\r\n;
// Mail it
mail($strEmail, $strSubject, $strHTML, $strHeaders);
}
As you have found out, the level of CSS support in HTML email message is
limited. For example, you can't use the class operator to format
items. I have used this rather basic function to translate my class
items to the more basic style items:
function translaterhsbox($strTitle, $strContent, $strDummy1, $strDummy2)
{
return h2 style=\font-size: 12pt\$strTitle/h2 .
strtr($strContent,array(class=\lyrOffsite\=style=\font-size:
8pt;\)) . hr color=#ffde5a;
}
Basically you need to ensure that you format everything with styles, for
example:
div style='width:516px; font-size: 9pt'
But you can still use graphics from your web-site. However many email
programmes will block the graphics until you agree to download them.
img
src=\http://www.ukfree.tv/2k8_graphic.php?a=a2t=UK%20Free%20TV%20email
%20update\
If you have written your document in using CSS, someone can probably
write a bit of code to automatically expand the raw HTML to convert
all the 'class'es to 'styles'.
You might like to know that the other constraints (java, scripting,
flash) are to protect email users from viral abuse, not a lack of will
to implement it.
Hope this helps
2008/6/4 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Hello there,
I'm a journalist working for BBC East in Norwich and I've joined this
mailing list to get advice and guidance - and possibly some ideas -
about a project I've been working on for the last 6 months.
With the backing of my bosses at Look East and BBC English regions, I've
designed, developed and launched a new graphics-rich e-mail newsletter
which we now send out each day to about 2000 or so subscribers.
This newsletter is hard to describe, but what it does is to aggregate
links - complete with headlines and thumbnail images - to the latest
video news items which appear on the main Look East website, a 'blog'
section promoting that evening's programmes with nested links expanding
on the stories being discussed, drop down menus featuring linking to BBC
East regional weather, news and sport sites and an occasional text
ticker which promotes whatever we fancy - often our local radio
stations.
It's conceived primarily as a content delivery vehicle first, then a
promotional tool, a way of combining all the services offered by the BBC
in my region into one tidy package and also a way of elaborating on the
stories we're working on.
To subscribe -temporarily if you want, I won't mind :-) - go here :
http://www.bbc.co.uk/lookeast/newsletter/subscription.shtml
Now the thing is, is that I'm a relative novice who is learning as I go
along. What I've learned is that e-mail can only support very basic
html and that there are limits to what features we can incorporate into
this newsletter. However, I'm determined to max out the potential and
capacity of this rather unusual way of delivering BBC content. Any html
tricks, ideas, criticisms, improvements, widgets or whatever anyone on
this mailing list can offer in the way of developing this newsletter
concept, I'd be hugely grateful. Several other English regions are
toying with the idea of adopting it, so I'm keen on adding new features,
but my technical knowledge is still quite limited.
this whole experience has been really positive for me and I've become
quite an evangelist for e-mail broadcasting, which I want to develop
RE: [backstage] BBC Look East HTML rich newsletter
Anyone wishing to understand fully the extent of CSS support in all the
commonly used email clients might like to read this:
http://www.campaignmonitor.com/blog/archives/2007/04/a_guide_to_css_supp
ort_in_emai_2.html - it's an invaluable resource!
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Butterworth
Sent: 05 June 2008 09:07
To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
Subject: Re: [backstage] BBC Look East HTML rich newsletter
Adam,
However many mail clients don't support the automatic (or even manual)
loading for CSS files. As you cannot know the client being used, you
have to go for the common set of features.
It's a common error to assume that everyone uses a particular client.
2008/6/5 Adam Hatia [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Brian,
For example, you can't use the class operator to format items. I
have used this rather basic function to translate my class items to
the
more basic style items:
Actually, CSS stylesheets are fully supported by Outlook, Outlook
Express, and Thunderbird at least, and I am using CSS to generate
size-efficient HTML emails that use the stylesheets from the website
(though obviously, the path to the css file needs to be a full absolute
URL) - do you still have an email client that doesn't support CSS, if
so, what is it?
Adam
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Butterworth
Sent: 05 June 2008 07:55
To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
Subject: Re: [backstage] BBC Look East HTML rich newsletter
Matt,
I sorted an automatic email notification system just recently on
ukfree.tv and I think I might be able to give you a few pointers. The
site uses PHP, so my examples will be in that. If you can't follow it,
then let me know.
(You can subscribe/unsubscribe by visiting http://www.ukfree.tv/ and
using the box in the 'my settings' item at the top left.
To send an HTML email, as you have already found out I guess, you need
to ensure you have the right headers:
function sendHTMLemail($strEmail, $strHTML, $strSubject)
{
// To send HTML mail, the Content-type header must be set
$strHeaders = 'MIME-Version: 1.0' . \r\n;
$strHeaders .= 'Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1' . \r\n;
// Additional headers
$strHeaders .= To: $strEmail $strEmail\r\n;
$strHeaders .= From: --- updates [EMAIL PROTECTED]\r\n;
// Mail it
mail($strEmail, $strSubject, $strHTML, $strHeaders);
}
As you have found out, the level of CSS support in HTML email message is
limited. For example, you can't use the class operator to format
items. I have used this rather basic function to translate my class
items to the more basic style items:
function translaterhsbox($strTitle, $strContent, $strDummy1, $strDummy2)
{
return h2 style=\font-size: 12pt\$strTitle/h2 .
strtr($strContent,array(class=\lyrOffsite\=style=\font-size:
8pt;\)) . hr color=#ffde5a;
}
Basically you need to ensure that you format everything with styles, for
example:
div style='width:516px; font-size: 9pt'
But you can still use graphics from your web-site. However many email
programmes will block the graphics until you agree to download them.
img
src=\http://www.ukfree.tv/2k8_graphic.php?a=a2t=UK%20Free%20TV%20email
%20update\
http://www.ukfree.tv/2k8_graphic.php?a=a2t=UK%20Free%20TV%20email%20up
date%5C
If you have written your document in using CSS, someone can probably
write a bit of code to automatically expand the raw HTML to convert
all the 'class'es to 'styles'.
You might like to know that the other constraints (java, scripting,
flash) are to protect email users from viral abuse, not a lack of will
to implement it.
Hope this helps
2008/6/4 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Hello there,
I'm a journalist working for BBC East in Norwich and I've joined this
mailing list to get advice and guidance - and possibly some ideas -
about a project I've been working on for the last 6 months.
With the backing of my bosses at Look East and BBC English regions, I've
designed, developed and launched a new graphics-rich e-mail newsletter
which we now send out each day to about 2000 or so subscribers.
This newsletter is hard to describe, but what it does is to aggregate
links - complete with headlines and thumbnail images - to the latest
video news items which appear on the main Look East website, a 'blog'
section promoting that evening's programmes with nested links expanding
on the stories being discussed, drop down menus featuring linking to BBC
East regional weather, news and sport sites and an occasional text
ticker which promotes whatever we fancy - often our local radio
stations.
It's conceived primarily as a content delivery vehicle first, then a
promotional tool, a way of combining all the services offered by the BBC
in my region into one tidy package and also a way of elaborating on the
stories we're working on.
To subscribe -temporarily if you want, I won't mind :-) - go here :
http://www.bbc.co.uk
RE: [backstage] BBC Look East HTML rich newsletter
I agree that offering your audience the option of viewing either a text-only or html version is ideal. This can partly be achieved (email client support permitting) by including both the HTML version and the text-only version as alternate MIME parts. At least that way anyone who actually prefers to view the rich content (as I do simply because I find it quicker to see what an email is about than read the entire text) can do so... From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Barber Sent: 05 June 2008 10:01 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] BBC Look East HTML rich newsletter On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 9:39 AM, Sean DALY [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I may add my 2 cents, I think e-mail newsletters should always have a text-only option with a link to the graphics-rich version. I am subscribed to fairly vast number of newsletters and I generally don't read them, I search them for keywords (filters or manually). Plain text are ideal as a lowest common denominator for portable gadgets; easy to forward plain text newsletters to my work or personal e-mail accounts and read the graphics-rich versions on comfortable screens. And, for the security-conscious (I am thinking of my aging personal Windows box but also Google mail which scrubs images by default), plain text offers a far more secure way to receive a flood of mail with the rich version just an extra click away. Sean, I agree with this because I too like to read over quick information and then go further if a story interests me, usually to the website directly. But also it's important in my opinion to consider pushing this forward a little to take advantage of the faster connections and computers around now, to enhance experience and to provide newer, if not more effective - at least more interesting and engaging - content. Maybe the newsletter format isn't for this, as you say, text works really well on portables, they're cross compatible with everyone and importantly more secure. For me, newsletters offer a decent bridge between the inbox (where I pay a lot of attention) and the site's content. There's a fine line between interesting (click and visit the site), and slow, irrelevant and cumbersome (ignore and delete). Too much rich content can cross this line - but a little well used rich content can also work in favour too. This is why criticism is important I reckon especially in the early stages. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] Film Reviews
Hi, I see the film reviews are nolonger being updated on the BBC site. Does anyone know why and will this mean that the film reviews xml feeds will no longer be updated. Regards Adam - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Film Reviews
Dan Brickley wrote: Andrew Bowden wrote: I see the film reviews are nolonger being updated on the BBC site. Does anyone know why and will this mean that the film reviews xml feeds will no longer be updated. The Movies site (and it's associated section on BBCi) formally closed on 6 May 2008 - they've left the archive online, however there won't be any new reviews. As such, the feeds won't get updated. The ratings DB at http://www.bbc.co.uk/movies/ (assume this is the site you're talking about) still seems open for business. I voted on a couple of movies and it increased the counter, eg. 'Average rating: 4 from 701 votes' in http://www.bbc.co.uk/films/2002/03/28/panic_room_2002_review.shtml# Will the system carry on accepting ratings indefinitely? Is there any way to get a movie ratings data dump out of /cgi-perl/polling/poll.pl ? Yes there is. The documentation etc is available from http://www.bbc.co.uk/movies/syndication/1/docs/, however it probably isn't much use anymore. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Spam was Thinking Digital conference
On Fri, 2008-05-23 at 13:52 +, TRYPHENA BRADE wrote: Thank you for a DECENT reply. We AIM to: * host videos on BBC * the Thinking Digital site Thanking you in advance Sorry, but i don't seem to understand how Gospel music and Basic IT training videos are relevant to the Thinking Digital website. I suggest you research relevant sites and contact them appropriately instead of spamming mailing lists with the same message multiple times. Adam Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 14:20:08 +0100 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Thinking Digital conference Tryphena, if you could perhaps reword your initial post, so as we could understand what you are actually trying to acheive, we might be able to help. Are you talking about hosting your videos on BBC or the Thinking Digital site? Clarity and brevity will get you everywhere. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ __ Get Started! - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Zattoo - live streaming BBC channels
FWIW, I think not everyone is the same in this regard. Personally, I also prefer to watch a clear picture with picture sound breaking up occasionally than every programme behind a snow scene, no matter how perfect the audio might be. I'd rather just listen to the radio if the latter was the case! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christopher Woods Sent: 20 May 2008 02:20 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] Zattoo - live streaming BBC channels You'd think... But then my first flat in London barely managed to get analogue... I actually got a digital box in the first place because it offered a better picture! A clear picture that broke up once every 90 seconds was preferable to watching fuzz and snow. Interesting you should say that, I was thinking about this whilst watching the footie on the TV the other day - our analogue reception is awful (and we don't have a roof aerial where we are at the moment, so it's bunny ears all round) and whilst the picture is awful, bar a few moments of static the audio is quite fine. The contiguousness of the audio also helps with tolerance - I can quite happily tolerate a poor quality video feed if the audio's fine. Same goes for cinema - people seem to put up with awful quality video so long as the sound's good (odd really, a strange psychological thing which must have some link with the way our brains interpret natural sound, and the way it introduces its aural coping mechanisms when our eyes are starved of sufficient input). Personally I'd rather have naff analogue with continuous audio where I can gist the few words I miss, rather than have a lossy (moreso than analogue, arguably) digital signal with squelchy audio and dropouts every so often. I put up with it on my PC's freeview receiver, but I still find myself wandering into the kitchen to tune in on the analogue set. I think I'm a bit strange. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Open ID on BBC Blogs
Tim Dobson wrote: I just looked at this post http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2008/04/blogs_getting_better_finally.html#commentsanchor and was about to comment when I saw that registration had been enabled. Any chance we could see OpenID[1] logins sometime soon? The benefits of OpenID to the end user are pretty simple: they don't need to have different accounts on every service (in this case a blog) in existence. I'm sure there is some Movable Type code which could be borrowed for this. Anyone else have an opinon on this? [1] www.openid.net I always had this idea of OpenID being simple to use, so when Yahoo started providing it i signed up to their service, then discovered that most current implementations of OpenID do not currently support Openid version 2 :-( Adam - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] Over the Air and Nokia Code Camp competition
Just in time for the Over the Air hack day, Nokia have announced a Code Camp competition. You can win €15,000 if you write a Nokia S60 app using either Flash or WRT. For more details see http://www.forum.nokia.com/main/contests/global_application_contest.html Adam - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Embracing the torrent of online video
On Wed, 2008-03-26 at 23:46 +, James Cridland wrote: * Yes, yes, RealPlayer. I'm working on it, though, for radio. Expect to see changes in May. Does this mean we might finally get something similar to the streams that are provided by Virgin Radio, ie MP3 streaming? Of course Ogg streams would be nice, but Ogg doesn't work on a standard Windows pcs either and you have previously stated usage on Virgin Radios site is extremely low so its probably not worth the effort. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] DVB-H finally gets formal adoption by the EC (oh and vista SP1!)
Gareth Davis wrote: Anyhow, personally I'm stuck until I can get a non-DRM HD signal into my Linux Myth PVR. BBC HD is broadcast in the clear on Astra 2D (28.2E) at 10.847Ghz V 22000SR 5/6FEC, I'm pretty sure it is still broadcast as DVB-S (rather then DVB-S2 like the Sky HD channels) so a normal DVB-S card and a dish set up for Sky Digital should do the job. I'll warn you that a lot of processing power is required to decode the H264 profile in real time. When the BBC were doing the HD DVB-T trials across London I had a go at trying to pick it up, and found that my 3Ghz P4 machine could only managed about 14 fps. I have heard a rumour that Freesat is will be launching around 5th May, so it might be worth waiting a few weeks just incase anything changes.
Re: [backstage] Xinhua Doctored BBC Screenshot?
A quick check of the Google cache would have told you it has changed and the screen shot is valid. Google claim they crawled the site at 17 Mar 2008 13:09:39 GMT. http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache%3Ahttp% 3A//news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/7300312.stm Adam On Mon, 2008-03-24 at 23:39 +, Tim Dobson wrote: As someone who has a pronounced dislike of propaganda and misinformation, I have been following the recent events surrounding Tibet, quite carefully. By reading the news stories from both the Chinese and the Western point of view, one can see the large difference in opinions. I was interested today, to read on Xinhua, the Chinese State news agency, that the BBC had been accused of displaying an image of a ambulance with a caption stating that There is a heavy military presence in Lhasa.[1] Interested that it was citing a BBC article, I did a quick search to find the original article and accompanying photo [2]. The caption of the photo on the BBC page instead says There have been many reports of injuries and deaths in Lhasa. Intrigued by the differences that the articles show, I looked at the last updated text in both the Xinhua screenshot and the BBC article. They show exactly the same time and date. From this I would infer that the Xinhua screenshot has been doctored, however, in order to give them the benefit of the doubt: Does anyone BBC-side (or otherwise) have any idea about whether one can change one of these image captions in the live content without updating the last updated tag. If you think there are other explanations or can expand on anything I have said, feel free to. I would not be *surprised* to see doctored screenshot, however I would be interested about it's context and effect. I would also be interested if the BBC had silently changed the caption to this image in question. [1] http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2008-03/23/content_7841316.htm [2] http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/7300312.stm Tim - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] BBC Support page
Just trying to find a support page as i've got a number of errors when accessing the weather page and i've come across this http://www.bbc.co.uk/support/ Shame it isn't a live stream, we could see what the Internet operations are upto. Adam - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Business Reasons To Support Gnash
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Playing whack-a-mole with corporate and device use cases that the legal or technological implications of Flash being proprietary break misses the forest for the trees. These are all just instances of the freedom of software users being compromised. That said, on other lists I've seen people argue that Gnash is counter-productive precisely because it supports something that isn't an open standard. This would be a reasonable argument if there was an open standard to support, but there really isn't (SVG+JavaScript or DHTML+AJAX are not substitutes). So I agree that if the BBC could provide such a standard that would be really positive. The BBC have already announced that they are working on a standard with a number of other companies. http://www.p2p-next.org/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BBC iplayer on exotic devices
Andy wrote: Sorry to reply to my own post. Everyone appears to be using a url of the form: rtmp://217.243.192.52:1935/ondemand?_fcs_vhost=cp41752.edgefcs.netauth=SECRET_KEYaifp=v001slist=STREAM_NAME But I can't find it *anywhere* in the iPlayer HTML or Javascript. Can't find it in the XML either. Is it hidden in the actual flash object itself? I am a little wary of hardcoding in an IP. What if the BBC decide they need to switch some machines round and the IP changes? Also would it be possible to turn On indexing in /iplayer/ particularly /iplayer/metafiles so we can see what data is actually in there Firebug is great for tasks like this. The following seems to return an ip, so perhaps it is the method Akamai use for determining the nearest server for streaming the videos. http://cp41752.edgefcs.net/fcs/ident Adam - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] iPlayer search problem
Michael Smethurst wrote: in the meantime you could try /programmes top gear is at: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006mj59 Excellent, i didn't know that had the streaming programs, plus you get the longer description with the programmes page. Is there any chance you could give some indication if the program has got signing as there doesn't appear to be any clear indications in either iPlayer or the programmes pages. Adam - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] iPlayer search problem
Michael Smethurst wrote: hi adam pips (the database behind both iplayer and /programmes) allows an episode to have multiple 'versions'. each of these versions can have associated on demand availability. and each version has a 'derivation reason' which may be: lengthened, shortened, signed, with burnt in sub-titles etc at the moment iplayer is only exposing a single version of each episode (which may or may not have signing). In time (I believe) multiple versions will be made available. when that happens we'll be able to provide a choice of version where available and (for /programmes at least) navigation faceted by the availability of sign language erm, does that answer your question? Thanks Michael, Yeah, sort of answers my question, although i didn't really explain the question too well. My point was that this top gear episode (http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b008gzy6) is signed, yet there is no way on knowing that until you start watching it. If i had downloaded this via the p2p client i would have been a bit disappointed, but then again its available so its better then nothing. The navigation on the Programmes beta site is great, especially the ability to quickly navigate between previous and later episode in the series. Makes it very easy to find episodes that you might have missed. Apart from me being fussy about a few things, iPlayer is great and i'm yet to find a friend who isn't impressed with it Adam -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Adam Leach Sent: Fri 12/28/2007 7:02 PM To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] iPlayer search problem Michael Smethurst wrote: in the meantime you could try /programmes top gear is at: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006mj59 Excellent, i didn't know that had the streaming programs, plus you get the longer description with the programmes page. Is there any chance you could give some indication if the program has got signing as there doesn't appear to be any clear indications in either iPlayer or the programmes pages. Adam
[backstage] iPlayer and TV Anytime Feeds
Hi, With the annoucement that iPlayer is apparently going live on Christmas day, are there any plans to provide links to the programs on iPlayer in the TV-Anytime data feeds. Adam - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] Advertising on the BBC Website
Hi, I'm currently looking at the latest scores page on the BBC web site (http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/live_scores/default.stm) and there are two adverts on the page. One advert is between the grey and red bar at the top of the page and the other is down the right hand side. Now i'm using a UK ISP Bulldog to access the site, so i'm a bit confused why i am seeing these adverts as the FAQ states that the accuracy is 99.6%. I've just checked my IP address 84.9.146.*** with several free ip to location databases and they all report this ip address is located in the UK. It looks like for some reason i was redirected to http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/ and that appears to be displaying adverts to everyone when they are available. If you access that you will see while the page loads there is a big white box at the top where adverts appear. Adam - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Muddy Boots on Backstage
Matt Lee wrote: Jason Cartwright wrote: That doesn't really seem to be the way things are going... It's certainly not the way some would like to take things. It's certainly one of the things that 'Web Twenty' promotes, but I think it's a mistake. We didn't spend 25 years getting faster computers and larger hard disks so we could run all our applications over a network and have third parties store our data. You could argue that computers started this way 25 years ago with a central mainframe storing all the data centrally and we moved away from this architecture due to limited connection speeds. With internet speeds increasing these online systems are very useful for the average user who sends emails, writes letters, etc, as they take away the burden of looking after software and keeping it up to date. This is something that most computer users don't always understand. Plus ask a group when the last time they backed up their documents and a majority would probably say never or too long ago to be useful.
Re: [backstage] Use of Tinyurl in Emails
Brian, I hope your not using the code below anywhere as it looks wide open to SQL Injection. Adam Quoting Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED]: PHP code sample to do the tinyURL bit... ? $link = mysql_connect(MYSQLHOST, MYSQLUSER, MYSQLPASS) or die(Could not connect); mysql_select_db(MYSQLDB) or die(Could not select database); $strURL=http://invalidvaluelocation;; $result2 = mysql_query(SELECT strURL FROM tblRedirects WHERE txtShortCode= \ . @$_GET[code] . \;) or die(Query failed); if (mysql_num_rows($result2)0) while ($line = mysql_fetch_array($result2, MYSQL_ASSOC)) if ($line[strURL]!=) $strURL=$line[strURL]; header (Location: $strURL); ? On 07/11/2007, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 06/11/2007, James Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6 Nov 2007, at 00:07, Andrew Bowden wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of James Cox 'course, bbc.co.uk has had some kind of redirect magic for a while: http://bbc.co.uk/zanelowe/ First time I've seen a big fat httpd.conf called magic :) and there I was thinking you had some nice routing controller thin-app which had some clever logging, tracking and management of such urls :) 1544804416 entries would be a bit much for a httpd.conf file, I suspect what would be required is a ... database. though i suspect the problem (and usage of tinyurl) is that to get one of those nice urls hooked up, you gotta email someone a request, who needs to get approval from a manager Well lets just say there is a process and it has to be done sensibly else you'd get loads of random redirects. Although I still think bbc.co.uk/breakfast should go to a big portal page for all the BBC's breakfast shows :) -- *James Cox, *Internet Consultant t: 07968 349990 e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: http://imaj.es/ -- Please email me back if you need any more help. Brian Butterworth www.ukfree.tv -- Please email me back if you need any more help. Brian Butterworth www.ukfree.tv - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Use of Tinyurl in Emails
Steve Jolly wrote: Jonathan Tweed wrote: Don't forget to also drop at least u, otherwise you might end up with offensive short codes. You may have noticed that the programme ids don't have any vowels in them. This is deliberate ;-) Sounds like an interesting little algorithmic challenge - what shortcode generation algorithm eliminates accidental real words while compromising optimally between simplicity and efficiency? It's been discussed in the Mac blogosphere recently: http://www.rogueamoeba.com/utm/posts/Random/RASN2-Swears-2007-10-16-15-00.html Essentially, generate as normal, and reject on matches from a dictionary. adam - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] Use of Tinyurl in Emails
Hi, I've just received an email from the BBC Archive project and noticed that all the email links are using Tinyurl. Now i would argue that the BBC shouldn't be using this type of service in emails, mainly as it contradicts the advice i give friends regarding following URLs in emails that do not appear associated with the sender (for example only follow links to bbc.co.uk in emails from the beeb) Tinyurl is a great service and i can understand why it is used, but i feel that using this type of service in a wider audience is a bad idea. What does everyone else think. Adam - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Use of Tinyurl in Emails
Martin Deutsch wrote: But if you're talking well-designed URLs for journey planning, see: http://www.traintimes.org.uk/cardiff/birmingham/8:00 Thank you for that site pointer. An excellent example, and a great one to bookmark! adam - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] flash accessibility
Jonathan, Looks good however it is pretty pointless for the next year or so until SVG and video tag support is available in any of the browser releases. I'm extremely impressed with Flash video, It is simple to convert the videos using Flash 8 encoder and the files are pretty small. Can not wait until the H.264 codec support is released. Regards Adam Quoting ~:'' ありがとうございました。 [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Simon, have you seen this rotating, movable video in svg demo? http://www.bluishcoder.co.nz/2007/08/svg-video-demo.html regards Jonathan Chetwynd Accessibility Consultant on Media Literacy and the Internet On 29 Oct 2007, at 09:23, Simon Cobb wrote: Hello, sorry for late reply, I've been on holiday. I agree that the splash page is annoying - my 3 year old can't get past it as she can't read it and doesn't know what it's for. But I guess she is young to surf alone. Anyway, back to the point, deep linking is possible right now with a bit of js: http://www.asual.com/swfaddress/ and there are plans to build deep linking into flex3 (due out in early 2008): http://flexwiki.adobe.com/confluence/display/ADOBE/Flex+3+Details++-+Deep+Linking There are a couple of other things I'm currently investigating to make more accessible flash: http://blog.space150.com/2007/1/11/faust-flash-augmenting-standards http://warpspire.com/journal/web-production/7-flash-myths/ But really, despite the fact that by far the bulk of my programming experience is in flash, I'm coming around to wondering what really, really needs to be in flash these days when there are js libraries like mootools out there. Also, increasingly, I get annoyed with flash taking the keyboard focus rendering browser keyboard shortcuts unusable and don't get me started on no text resizing (yes, I know about sIFR). Currently my list to support the use of flash instead of js consists of: video sockets err, that's it. Anything else seems to be unnecessary but maybe some of you out there can correct me? S. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of cisnky Sent: 27 October 2007 16:32 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] flash accessibility but flash generally doesn't allow deep linking How do you work that out? On 10/15/07, ~:'' ありがとうございました。 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Simon, apologies, can be a bit blunt if not downright wrong at times... peepo.com and peepo.co.uk are projects I ran for many years, designed for the independent user who can navigate if not the operating system then have fun browsing the web if not in a sandbox, a select group of appropriate links. but flash generally doesn't allow deep linking, so each time the visitor comes to this site they need help, to get past the first splash. fwiw, by mistake I opened in Opera, and the cursor isn't visible once in the site, but not in the active window, probably a bug, but a real nuisance for carers. regards Jonathan Chetwynd Accessibility Consultant on Media Literacy and the Internet On 15 Oct 2007, at 09:40, Simon Cobb wrote: I'm sorry Jonathan, I've read this a few times now and I don't understand your question: maybe you are considering the webcam question doesn't need to be switch accessible? This is an interesting subject for me, could you ask the question another way please? Thanks S. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ~:'' Sent: 15 October 2007 09:21 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] flash accessibility Simon Jason, maybe you are considering the webcam question doesn't need to be switch accessible? of course that makes the user dependent on others and is 'frustrating' to say the least... Camino 2007101201 2.0a1pre, the smaller window pops open, but seems to close immediately regards Jonathan Chetwynd Accessibility Consultant on Media Literacy and the Internet On 15 Oct 2007, at 08:45, Simon Cobb wrote: Ah... Apple, the champions of open technology and freedom of the user to choose. Your choice of computer kind of invalidates your righteous anger at commerical vendors, no? Of course, I'm just being mischevious :) Because Flash is my business, I had to go and check your claims on the Mac on our testbench. I'll give you that INTG doesn't work in IE on the Mac. But really, who is using IE/ Mac? Is it realistic for anyone to have to support it in 2007? Certainly, cbeebies client statistics agree, showing almost 100% using a windows based browser. Further, I've also found through my research on Flash accessibility that almost all users with accessibility requirements would also usually use a windows-based machine. As for the INTG freeze on IE/ Mac, if you want my best guess, I'd say that IE/ Mac is unable to allow Flash to perform the operating system check at the start of the INTG application. If so, it's ironic because this os check was especially put in for Mac users. Some Macs have a built-in webcam that users might
Re: [backstage] An interview with Mark Taylor, Pres. of UK Open Source Consortium
~:'' wrote: where are the easy-to-use tools? Ubuntu and Gnome are hardly mainstream... the most significant issue is that no open source project outside possibly wikipedia is truly popular. NB wikipedia is not an application or tool. First, there are thousands of open source projects that are popular. Here are a few that i use: * Apache web server. Runs the majority of web site. * MySQL - Database * PHP - Web site scripting language * Firefox Thunderbird * VLC Media Player - Media player * Filezilla - FTP program * Many mail servers are opensource, ie Postfix, Sendmail * ClamAV - Free antivirus scanner * Spamassassin - Spam filter used by many ISPs * Gimp - Popular image editor * Open Office * Debian Ubuntu Linux * SugarCRM - Customer Relationship Management * Wordpress - Blogging * MediaWiki - The application behind wikipedia * Horde - Webmail application Currently the majority of open source software is mainly used by technical users, however with Ubuntu maturing into a great operating system this is likely to change with people becoming frustrated with the Microsoft experience and looking for an alternative. My concern is that because the process does not include users, it is difficult for their needs to be met. You can always be involved in the development process of any of these programs. They are always looking for testers and if you get involved on the suitable mailing list most developers are open to suggestions for improvements. I would argue that open source software easily meets users needs, sometimes better then equivalent commercial software. This is because open source software doesn't have to follow the demands of a company and are usual started as there is no other software then meets the needs of the developers. Regards Adam - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] iPhone Apple opens up iPhone to app developers
Steve Jolly wrote: Brian Butterworth wrote: Why does it take four months to publish a SDK? Surely Apple must be using the SDK already to create their own applications? Steve Jobs gives a reasonable explanation in his announcement - that they want to implement a robust security model for third-party apps, something they don't need for internal development. http://www.apple.com/startpage/ And as I can attest to, having recently hacked my iPod touch, the security model that's in place right now is not sufficient. And anyway, classes and methods do not a full API make. Nor is an API alone the full SDK toolchain that is needed (and, now, promised). adam - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] iPhone SDK news
http://www.apple.com/hotnews/ Native third party applications on the iPhone (and iPod touch) will be enabled via an SDK as of February 2008. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] iPlayer usage
nick richards wrote: Hi guys, I saw a del.icio.us post from Tom Coates earlier asking how many people actualy *use* the iPlayer: I went back and noticed that the original poster's question wasn't answered: are there any plans to reveal statistics on iPlayer usage? adam - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] O2 wins Apple iPhone deal - at a hefty price
Ian Forrester wrote: http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2007/sep/17/mobilephones.apple (I'm quite curious about the as much as 40% of any revenues quote in the article: everywhere else has reported a consensus of 10%.) In the light of the amount of unlocking or hacking going on. Don't you think the rest were actually quite lucky to have not got into this deal with Apple? Well, I would also consider how mainstream mobile phone unlocking is today, and how much of a deterrent it is to the mobile operators in seeking phone exclusives. I would then also consider Apple's end-to-end system for delivering software updates, easily capable of invalidating any unlocks, as well as Apple's stated commitment to delivering new features for the iPhones over at least two years (thus making consumers want to update their phones). I don't know of another mobile phone maker as interested in managing already-sold devices. Speaking more anecdotally, I know that O2 is likely to get my wife's custom with the iPhone, and I'm likely to follow, eventually. adam - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Fwd: who to ask: SVG in weather feeds?
Jonathan, It is really worth the BBC using SVG Graphics when at least 80% of internet users are unable to view them. Currently there doesn't appear to be a SVG viewer for IE. Adam Quoting ~:'' [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Kathryn, back from holiday myself, perhaps you are too? awaiting your response on both these issues: the discrepancy between symbols and labels on the feed where are the BBC's SVG weather icons and might the RSS feeds use them? cheers Jonathan Chetwynd On 25 Jul 2007, at 15:33, ~:'' wrote: Kathryn, thanks for your prompt and encouraging replies** the weather gifs are poor imitations of original artwork that is almost certainly produced and available in SVG format*. It may be that the BBC doesn't own the original artwork, if so who does? For relatively little overhead the BBC's RSS feed could add links to the original SVG art. almost everything I publish is public domain, however my SVG feed viewer is currently offline. due to the relatively long delays these matters can have, I produced my own SVG weather symbols set. the BBC might even beat me and provide the first SVG feed. well I have been asking, and yet to find or be pointed to one ~: best wishes Jonathan Chetwynd *The benefit being that a similar size file is fully scaleable and far more attractive. Opera, Mozilla and Safari display SVG natively, that is without a plugin. http://www.peepo.co.uk is one example of SVG. On 25 Jul 2007, at 11:38, Kathryn Schmitt wrote: Hello there, 'Tis I. We don't have any SVG icons. Do you mean the gif images of weather symbols used on the 5 day forecast pages? Feel free to contact me off list with your answer...I doubt this conversation is of general interest to the list. As for the descrepancy between symbols and labels on the feed, I will investigate. Best, Kass Kathryn Schmitt Senior Developer BBC Weather Centre 2026 Television Centre T: 020 82259448 M: 0771 7582482 www.bbc.co.uk/weather www.bbc.co.uk/climate -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ~:'' Sent: 25 July 2007 10:03 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] who to ask: SVG in weather feeds? SVG weather feeds: who to ask? Who at the BBC publishes the weather feeds? Is there a good reason the SVG icons are not linked within the feed? regards Jonathan Chetwynd - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Fwd: who to ask: SVG in weather feeds?
That doesn't work as they are sending a PNG file to all browsers which is pointless as i might as well just not bother. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e8/Svg_example3.svg/467px-Svg_example3.svg.png Okay, so SVG is great for resizing image, but for icons i can't see any advantage of having them working when 80% of the time you would need to send an Jpeg/Gif/PNG image. I currently have to spend enough time working around bugs in all the browsers, i don't really want to add another problem to the mix. Quoting Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Wikipedia can do it! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Svg_example3.svg On 02/09/07, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there a backend render that can be used instead when there is no plugin? Best of both worlds then... On 02/09/07, Adam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jonathan, It is really worth the BBC using SVG Graphics when at least 80% of internet users are unable to view them. Currently there doesn't appear to be a SVG viewer for IE. Adam Quoting ~:'' [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Kathryn, back from holiday myself, perhaps you are too? awaiting your response on both these issues: the discrepancy between symbols and labels on the feed where are the BBC's SVG weather icons and might the RSS feeds use them? cheers Jonathan Chetwynd On 25 Jul 2007, at 15:33, ~:'' wrote: Kathryn, thanks for your prompt and encouraging replies** the weather gifs are poor imitations of original artwork that is almost certainly produced and available in SVG format*. It may be that the BBC doesn't own the original artwork, if so who does? For relatively little overhead the BBC's RSS feed could add links to the original SVG art. almost everything I publish is public domain, however my SVG feed viewer is currently offline. due to the relatively long delays these matters can have, I produced my own SVG weather symbols set. the BBC might even beat me and provide the first SVG feed. well I have been asking, and yet to find or be pointed to one ~: best wishes Jonathan Chetwynd *The benefit being that a similar size file is fully scaleable and far more attractive. Opera, Mozilla and Safari display SVG natively, that is without a plugin. http://www.peepo.co.uk is one example of SVG. On 25 Jul 2007, at 11:38, Kathryn Schmitt wrote: Hello there, 'Tis I. We don't have any SVG icons. Do you mean the gif images of weather symbols used on the 5 day forecast pages? Feel free to contact me off list with your answer...I doubt this conversation is of general interest to the list. As for the descrepancy between symbols and labels on the feed, I will investigate. Best, Kass Kathryn Schmitt Senior Developer BBC Weather Centre 2026 Television Centre T: 020 82259448 M: 0771 7582482 www.bbc.co.uk/weather www.bbc.co.uk/climate -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ~:'' Sent: 25 July 2007 10:03 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] who to ask: SVG in weather feeds? SVG weather feeds: who to ask? Who at the BBC publishes the weather feeds? Is there a good reason the SVG icons are not linked within the feed? regards Jonathan Chetwynd - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html . Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html . Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Please email me back if you need any more help. Brian Butterworth www.ukfree.tv -- Please email me back if you need any more help. Brian Butterworth www.ukfree.tv - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] iPlayer Today?
Andy wrote: On 29/07/07, mike chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Options 3, Buy an off the shelf solution and use it. Bonus points if the people whose content your licensing are happy with it and will endemnify you against someone cracking it. Yes use an Off the shelf solution, provided it satisfies the criteria Platform Neutral. The BBC's claim We had no choice but to use MS DRM is clearly false as there where 2 perfectly good options. What are these two perfectly good options that could provide the same fuctionality as Microsoft DRM Kontiki. Adam - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] Can we have a developer mailing list?
Is there any chance of a separate developer list for discussion of APIs, services, Geek events, etc. The BBC with the encouragement from Ian Matthew are providing some great sources of information for doing mashups and organising some great events like Hackday, but this mailing list is just becoming a BBC Bashing list. Adam - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] feeds with icons or pictures?
Jonathan, You asked a similar question a year ago when the rights of images was disscussed. Perhaps you might want to check the archives. Adam ~:'' ありがとうございました。 wrote: Davy, the quality of images used as links is unlikely to present a rights issue. in fact fair use probably covers this in any case. it's more likely a case that it hasn't been considered, combined with most newsreaders not being configured for images... cheers Jonathan Chetwynd On 22 Jul 2007, at 13:01, Davy Mitchell wrote: I think this is a rights issue so the news RSS is text only. I would like to see the User contributed photos on RSS. Thought about screen scraping but backstage does but encourage that. Davy On 7/22/07, ~:'' ありがとうございました。 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gary, thanks for that...I'm looking for more than just an identity logo, icons or images that change. after all that's what RSS is about... hence my mention of the weather. cheers ~: Jonathan Chetwynd On 21 Jul 2007, at 17:06, Gary Kirk wrote: BBC News has an icon built in to feeds, see my example at http://xinki.org.uk/site On 21/07/07, ~:'' ありがとうございました。 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: feeds with icons or pictures? anyone care to share their favourites? are there any bbc feeds with icons or images, beyond the weather? cheers Jonathan Chetwynd - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Gary Kirk - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/ mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail- archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BBC TV and Radio 7-day listing
Thanks Andrew, I've been meaning to change my web site to use the api, but that gives me a chance to enjoy the weekend of sport. Adam Andrew McParland wrote: Sorry, we've been having a few problems. For the moment you can find a more up to date set of TV-Anytime schedule data files at: http://72.249.74.119/tv-anytime/ Due to this being a temporary measure the address may change, and the files may not be updated as regularly as we would like, but this should keep you going for a bit. We are working towards a better solution and, for the moment at least, we do intend to keep the files of data coming. We'll keep you informed as any changes happen. Andrew BBC Research and Innovation On Thu, Jul 05, 2007 at 06:03:37PM +0800, Flynn, Terry wrote: Mario, Thanks, I know about the API but prefer the files if their going to be maintained... its been a couple of weeks now, so suppose I better accept the change :( I'm an old, old UNIX programmer and my tools of choice are C and shell script - have a high level of inertia with these new java and perl thingies... Worked out how to make the API calls with wget, so just a matter of loading my little database - simple update...Thanks again for the suggestion... Terry From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mario Menti Sent: Thursday, 5 July, 2007 14:19 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] BBC TV and Radio 7-day listing On 7/5/07, Flynn, Terry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry if I missed any announcement - will Backstage be continuing the TV and Radio schedules in TVAnyTime XML format? Last update was June 21... As screen scraping the web site is illegal, this is the only option available to many of us to get BBC schedules for whatever purpose... Terry I don't know about the plans for the TV-Anytime files, but the best way to get BBC schedule information is probably through the BBC Web API: http://www0.rdthdo.bbc.co.uk/services/api/index.html The API can give you query results in both TV-Anytime or a slightly simpler XML format. HTH, Mario. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] O2 - iPhone deal - UK
It looks like O2 have the iPhone in deal in the bag for the UK... http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/telecoms/article2028678.ece Cheers Adam - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] backstage feed on .Mac Reader
I came across this fun little app today iPhoney :) http://www.marketcircle.com/iphoney/ On 7/2/07, Christopher Woods [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yep, someone had put it on their twitter page - interesting that the one you posted in differs slightly, here's the one I found: iPhone User Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU like Mac OS X; en) AppleWebKit/420+ (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.0 Mobile/1A538a Safari/419. Wonder why the vendor (419 vs. 419.3) differs slightly? Anyway, I loaded up that RSS feed in Firefox using a user-agent spoofer and it loaded - but it looks horrible! Obviously Apple aren't sticking to web standards :D _ From: Mario Menti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 02 July 2007 10:18 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] backstage feed on .Mac Reader On 7/2/07, Christopher Woods [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Time to find (and spoof) the iPhone's user-agent! Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU like Mac OS X; en) AppleWebKit/420+ (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.0 Mobile/1A538a Safari/419.3 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] backstage feed on .Mac Reader
Over the weekend I thought I'd take a look at the backstage feed on .Mac Reader, the site that renders RSS feeds on the iPhone for you. As the iPhone not out over here I've desied to use FireFox instead. The fist two articales have not renerd to well on the listing of articales as you'll see from the screen shot... http://www.flickr.com/photos/aburt/687881335/ The full url for the feed... http://reader.mac.com/mobile/v1/http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/news/index.xml Cheers Ads - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] No TV-Anytime Data today
Nah, its not that bad. The service has worked perfectly for ages, but the server must be having issues at the moment. Phil Winstanley wrote: Perhaps we should rename it TV-Sometimes ? :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Leach Sent: 22 June 2007 10:22 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] No TV-Anytime Data today Hi, There is no TV Anytime data today :-( Could someone give the server a kick. Thanks Adam - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- received to: andyb.com Message ID : o7c6774f383dc45ad91d15557999db181.pro Sender ID : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Msg Size : 1k This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the originator of the message. This footer also confirms that this email message has been scanned for the presence of computer viruses, though it is not guaranteed virus free. Original Recipient: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Original Sender : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Original Send Date: 22/06/2007 - 10:36:53 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] No TV-Anytime Data today
Hi, There is no TV Anytime data today :-( Could someone give the server a kick. Thanks Adam - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Project Kangaroo - what's the point?
I don't think there's a set-top box involved. Surely it's just early discussions to try to achieve a single downloading architecture across all the UK broadcasters? At the moment I have to download one app. for the BBC, another for 4od, another for Sky Anytime and goodness knows what for Five, ITV or any other broadcaster. And they're not all necessarily compatible. A single solution would be sensible in the long run. On 6/21/07, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I read about Project Kangaroo in the press the other day. It seems to be a set top box iPlayer. http://www.pocket-lint.co.uk/news/news.phtml/8242/9266/BBC-ITV-C4-Project-Kangeroo.phtml Wouldn't the BBC be better off just getting broadband Freeview Playback boxes to exchange content with each other, rather than this top down solution? Oh, and it would cost almost nothing to run... -- Brian Butterworth www.ukfree.tv - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Project Kangaroo - what's the point?
On 6/21/07, David Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2007-06-21 at 15:47 +0100, Adam Bowie wrote: A single solution would be sensible in the long run. No. A selection of _open_, interoperable solutions would be sensible. As a user, I don't want to have install a new piece of software every time I download a different piece of programming from a different broadcaster. Aside from anything else, multiple clients all using peer to peer technology will kill my broadband connectivity. Of course an open solution would be best. But then there's DRM which currently each broadcaster has their own solution to (even if they're really all the same just now), but I'm not going to get into that... - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] TV Anytime Data
Hi, The TV Anytime data for today only appears to have tv information for BBC World Service, BBC Radio 1 BBC Radio2. The file is only 163k, whilst the file is normally 825k. Could you investigate. http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/feeds/tvradio/ http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/feeds/tvradio/20070620.tar.gz Thanks Adam - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] DRM does not work... what next?
Richard Lockwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I still don't see how having DRM'd content free (of charge) over the internet from the BBC is worse than having no content from the BBC over the internet. Because it's not free of charge -- it's our license fee that's going to pay for the useless DRM technology, even if we don't use it. I don't like paying more money to make something less useful. -- Adam Sampson [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://offog.org/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] TV Anytime Data
Excellent, thanks Chris Newell wrote: At 07:47 13/06/2007, Adam Leach wrote: The TV Anytime data file is a zero byte file today. Could you please investigate. http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/feeds/tvradio/ http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/feeds/tvradio/20070613.tar.gz Adam, Problem noted and fixed. Cheers, Chris ___ *Chris Newell *Lead Technologist *BBC Research *Kingswood Warren *Tel:* +44 (0)1737 839659 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Getting Recipe Data
Tom Loosemore wrote: Been there once before a couple of years ago... iirc , every TV chef owns his/her rights to the recipes that appear in aggregate in the recipe db on bbc.co.uk/food So it's fearsomely complex (therefore expensive) to even begin clearing, presuming BBC could ever get the necessary rights from individual chefs, which is doubtful TBH. sorry... How about a searchable rss feed or similar that returns links to the specific recipes. This would be useful in other areas like Top Gear review of cars where it might be useful to link directly to the information. Adam - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] TuneMyFeeds
Hi All, Just to share a little app with you all that I've been working on for Mac OS X called TuneMyFeeds: http://homepage.mac.com/a.burt/tunemyfeeds/ The aim with TuneMyFeeds is to covert RSS text to audio files and pop it into iTunes. Being dyslexic I wanted to have a fast way to keep up with my RSS feeds on the move. It's free so if you fancy give it a spin :) Have a good weekend. Cheers Adam - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] TV-Anytime Feeds
Hiya, Over the weekend something seems to have gone wrong with the TV Anytime feeds as all the data files are extremely small and contain no program info. Could someone have a look and give the server a kick Thanks Adam For example more 20070521BBCOne_* :: 20070521BBCOne_cr.xml :: ?xml version='1.0' encoding='ISO-8859-9'? ContentReferencingTable xmlns='urn:tva:ContentReferencing:2005' xmlns:xsi='http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance' version='1'/ :: 20070521BBCOne_pi.xml :: ?xml version='1.0' encoding='ISO-8859-9'? TVAMain xmlns='urn:tva:metadata:2005' xmlns:mpeg7='urn:tva:mpeg7:2005' xmlns:xsi='http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance' xml:lang='en' !--This data is strictly for non-commercial use only. See http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/terms_of_use.html for details of the t erms and conditions.-- ProgramDescription ProgramInformationTable/ /ProgramDescription /TVAMain :: 20070521BBCOne_pl.xml :: ?xml version='1.0' encoding='ISO-8859-9'? TVAMain xmlns='urn:tva:metadata:2005' xmlns:mpeg7='urn:tva:mpeg7:2005' xmlns:xsi='http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance' xml:lang='en' !--This data is strictly for non-commercial use only. See http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/terms_of_use.html for details of the t erms and conditions.-- ProgramDescription ProgramLocationTable/ /ProgramDescription /TVAMain - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Google Developer Day
There are a few extra places released if your quick. http://services.google.com/events/developerday_rsvp-en_GB Adam Mr I Forrester wrote: Damm I missed it! Wow they really cranked this up a notch this year!!! Ian Adam Leach wrote: Not sure if anyone has mentioned, but Google is planning a Developer day on 31st May. Spaces are limited, but you can sign up at http://www.google.com/events/developerday/en_GB/details.html Adam - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] Google Developer Day
Not sure if anyone has mentioned, but Google is planning a Developer day on 31st May. Spaces are limited, but you can sign up at http://www.google.com/events/developerday/en_GB/details.html Adam - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BBC announces 3G mobile syndication trial with Orange, Vodafone and 3
Brian Butterworth wrote: http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressreleases/stories/2007/03_march/29/3g.s html Can we have the BBC one, BBC THREE and (in particular) BBC News 24 streams online please? If you can stream them on a mobile, it would be useful if they could be provided online in the same format (I mean, that's what you are doing anyway...) I doubt it is that easy. Anyway you can always get a Slingbox and then watch any freeview channels. Adam - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Mobile tech fun, anyone?
Kim Plowright wrote: So… an aquaintance is organising a pervasive gaming event on the south bank, and wants to run a mobile phone based game during the event. Is anyone here a genius with any of the following, or know any harware types that might be willing to provide sponsorship in kind? This is *completely without my BBC hat on* by the way. /- automated messaging service (that you can configure to only receive SMS messages so people with old phones can play)/ /- a way of recording phone calls to hard disk (so that we can pick out the best encounters cut together the finished poem in the translation we create)/ /- A connection between the two things so that you get another SMS once you've called the hotline/ /- an easy way of of editing the sound files together/ / / /Ideally this whole process would be automated so that we don't need volunteers to man phone lines all night... / / / /We have no money to speak of so freeware / begborrowsteal solutions greatly appreciated... As you can probably tell from this email I am a dunce when it comes to tech stuff so please speak very slowly... / Kim Hi Kim, The best option is Asterisk (http://asterisk.org/) as it can do the following: * It can record phone calls. Depending on the complexity the standard voicemail system might be perfect as this is designed to record messages and then email them to the specified email address. * Allows creation of automated menu systems * Detects caller-id and this can be recorded in database. * Allows the user of variety of VoIP Services, so you can have a local number for free (ie - sipgate.co.uk) or use a community service like http://voipuser.co.uk. * Its open source and works without problems on most unix/linux/bsd based operating systems, so would work fine with gammu or gnokii Of course it all depends on scale of the gaming event, as if there are going to be large numbers of simultaneous phone calls you will need alot of hardware and bandwidth. If you send details of exactly what you need i might be able to help, but i have never used Asterisk for anything larger then a 1 or 2 users at the same time Adam - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Flash required?
Andy wrote: On 05/03/07, blogHUD [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: they soon found out that a MASSIVE majority of users to BBC News Online had the version of Flash I needed I was always told we needed the BBC to cater for the people who aren't in the majority. If you are only going to cater for the majority then why do we even bother with a BBC in the first place? I always thought BBC is mainstream and other government media companies like Channel 4 are for the minorities. I think it's amusing when I see people bemoan the use of Flash for things that sure, can be done in AJAX etc. I would recommend never using Flash. By using Flash the BBC is forcing users to enter into a legal contract with a third party, just to use the BBC's site. You can always click the links for the flash free version. No one is forcing you to look at the flash content. I reckon if you took a random sample of people from the street the vast majority would prefer the flash version. Oh and on the subject of VM, how does the flash VM protect me if I am worried about the player itself being hostile? I can not accurately determine what actions it is going to take. I am sorry but I am not skilled enough in reverse engineering to look at binary level data and determine what the code does. Blimey if your that paranoid you should start using lynx immediately. How do you know that all the images on the BBC web site haven't been infected with a virus like the WMF exploit (http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS06-001.mspx), plus all that nasty javascript that is all over the web these days. Anyway i thought this was the BBC Backstage mailing list and not the BBC Bashing mailing list :-P Adam - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Flash required?
Jonathan Chetwynd wrote: Flash required? anyone care to suggest why this is in flash? http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/bsp/hi/live_stats/html/map.stm seems unhelpful at best. Well Jonathan you can always click on the accessible link on the page http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/hi/live_stats/html/lowbycountry.stm I actually like the animation and the graphics as i feel it adds value to the information. Adam - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BBCHD Free to Air and SKY (non SKY+)
Your be lucky to get something that cheap. Just checked maplins and found a High Definition FTA Satellite Receiver for £200 and it states it can handle BBC HD. (http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=99265source=14doy=12m2) The alternative is to use your PC and get a Satelite TV Card (or Freeview card if you are in range of the Crystal Palace Transmitter) and use the PC to decode the HDTV. Adam Dave Ruislip wrote: I cannot seem to get any clarity of my desire to get BBC HD via a traditional (non SKY+) Dish WITHOUT having to go SKYHD Box. There has been mention of Pace Box but someone mentioned there would need to be LNB changes?. Can anyone advise the simple approach. Also something in the region of max 100 pounds seems worth investment. Any advise. THANKS - Now you can scan emails quickly with a reading pane. Get the new Yahoo! Mail. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
