Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Alarm not working with 8.3?

[Phil Meyer]

I've had issues with LMS Alarms for ages.  I've pretty much given up depending 
on it.

There used to be Alarm volume settings, but now there isn't a setting for alarm 
volume?  If I play some ambient music and fall asleep at night, when the Alarm 
comes on in the morning it's at a low volume which fails to wake me.

Sometimes the Alarm doesn't start in the morning at all.

I've always disliked the changes to go into "Alarm Clock mode", displaying just 
the current time, with no means to switch to the Now Playing screen without 
stopping the alarm and then restarting the playing track.  Often I wake up to 
something random and think "What is that song?".

I do still have an alarm configured, but often I wake via my smart watch 
buzzing on my wrist, or smart phone.  If music starts playing on my SB3 too, 
it's a bonus!  I use my phone to identify the playing tune, and the SB3 is more 
or less just a clock display.

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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] 7.9 Problems/Bugs

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>I configured mp3tag options under Tags > Mpeg to remove APE tags *only* 
>(before it was stripping all tags). Then I just used the Remove Tag
>option for all the affected files.

I configure Mp3tag to remove all tags.

When i remove tags, I then undo the operation and it writes back only the 
chosen save tag format.  This seems to help in some cases to totally get rid of 
any tag frames and recreate them.

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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] LMS can't connect to internet resources

[Phil Meyer]

Disabled port forwarding, removed a folder configured within Picture Gallery 
plugin (never used).

Seems scale.dll is not crashing, scanner is not constantly restarting.  First 
attempt at a full rescan aborted straight away, but second one completed.

However, the log is still full with connection failures, in particular after 
just a minute or so of connection attempts every couple of seconds to 
www.mysqueezebox.com, the timeout has increased somewhat:

[11:32:14.1719] Slim::Networking::SqueezeNetwork::Players::_players_error (368) 
Unable to get players from SN: 503 Service Temporarily Unavailable, retrying in 
777600 seconds
[11:32:16.1812] Slim::Networking::SqueezeNetwork::Players::_players_error (368) 
Unable to get players from SN: 503 Service Temporarily Unavailable, retrying in 
864000 seconds
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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] LMS can't connect to internet resources

[Phil Meyer]

It seems unlikely, only a few days ago, and that someone would discover the 
port open and write a plugin to only partially muck up the server, rather than 
destroy everything!

I did change my mysqueezebox email address recently, and thought problems 
connecting to internet could be due to that, but it's correct in lms settings 
now.

Seems I have two problems:
1) rescan failing, probably due to a dodgy image file, and the rescan keeps 
restarting in a constant loop, takes about 17 secs round each loop.
2) LMS can't access repositories.  Could this be due to (1) in some way, with 
the scanner kicking off frequently?

What logging can I include to work out the dodgy image file that is crashing 
the scanner?
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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Media scan terminating unexpectedly after tag updates

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Oh, looks like a plugin I created to create some library views that depend on 
Erland's trackstat plugin to provide track ratings.

You can install trackstat, should resolve the problem.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] LMS can't connect to internet resources

[Phil Meyer]

Hi Michael Herger ,

>> Looks like perl is crashing because of a dodgy image I must have recently 
>> added to my library?
>
>You don't forward your LMS to the internet, do you?

I recently tried to open ports so I can access on internet.
Is this a bad idea?
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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] LMS can't connect to internet resources

[Phil Meyer]

Looks like perl is crashing because of a dodgy image I must have recently added 
to my library?

Faulting application name: perl.exe, version: 5.14.2.1402, time stamp: 
0x4e8f870c
Faulting module name: Scale.dll, version: 0.0.0.0, time stamp: 0x4e556b91
Exception code: 0xc094
Fault offset: 0x00049d4b
Faulting process id: 0x2fb4
Faulting application start time: 0x01d310847a314da5
Faulting application path: C:\Programming\Perl-5.14.2\bin\perl.exe
Faulting module path: 
C:\Squeezebox\LMS\Beta\server\CPAN\arch\5.14\MSWin32-x86-multi-thread\auto\Image\Scale\Scale.dll
Report Id: c14608c0-7c77-11e7-b638-902b34338174

Would be good if it didn't crash!

To resolve I just need to figure out what file it doesn't like?
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[SlimDevices: Beta] LMS can't connect to internet resources

[Phil Meyer]

For the last couple of days, I've had trouble with LMS not connecting to 
resources on the internet.

I can't think that I've done much recently:
I pulled latest LMS server code in the git repository (tried going back a 
couple of weeks as well, but no different).
It seems LMS wants to do a scan at startup, but it doesn't complete.


I see several things like the following (the url does return content in a web 
browser):
[20:19:08.4327] Slim::Networking::SimpleAsyncHTTP::onError (229) Failed to 
connect to 
https://sourceforge.net/projects/lms-to-upnp/files/stable/repo-sf.xml (404 Not 
Found)
[20:19:08.4329] Slim::Plugin::Extensions::Plugin::_noResponse (404) error 
fetching http://sourceforge.net/projects/lms-to-upnp/files/stable/repo-sf.xml - 
404 Not Found

The LMS web UI seems to randomly report it is connecting to server and fail.


I see in the log the following occuring every 17 seconds:
[20:19:11.5811] main::init (387) Starting Logitech Media Server (v7.9.1, TRUNK, 
UNKNOWN) perl 5.014002 - MSWin32-x86-multi-thread


I get a lot of the following warnings (hundreds a minute):

[20:18:26.2804] Slim::Utils::Misc::msg (1250) Warning: [20:18:26.2802] Use of 
uninitialized value in subroutine entry at 
C:/Squeezebox/LMS/Beta/server/Slim/Music/VirtualLibraries.pm line 309.


I'm at a bit of a loss.  Probably firewall/router related I was guessing, but 
I've tried to disable the firewall, and web browers work fine.

Any ideas?

Is Perl 5.014002 still valid for LMS 7.9.1?
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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] No track artists for compilations in web interface, Now Playing or current playlist

[Phil Meyer]

I confirm that I see the same, and i believe it has been like this for ages.

If an album is tagged without an ALBUM ARTIST tag (irrespective of COMPILATION 
tag presence), LMS assigns ARTIST contributors.

If an album is tagged with an ALBUM ARTIST tag but no COMPILATION, LMS assigns 
TRACK ARTIST contributors, rather than ARTIST contributors.

However, if an album is tagged with an ALBUM ARTIST and COMPILATION tag, LMS 
assigns ARTIST contributors to the tracks, not TRACK ARTIST contributors.


The web UI Now Playing shows the ARTISTS + ALBUM ARTIST associated with the 
currently playing song.
The web UI Current Playlist suppresses ARTISTS for songs, instead overriding 
the display with the ALBUM ARTIST.

A few years back I wrote some SQL that converts ARTIST contributors to TRACK 
ARTIST contributors for compulation albums so everything was more consistent.  
I ran the SQL after any library rescan.  Seemed to do the job.  Haven't run it 
in a while, thanks for reminding me!

update contributor_album
set role=6
where role=1 and exists (select 1 from albums a where a.id = 
contributor_album.[album] and a.compilation = 1);

update contributor_track
set role=6
where role=1 and exists (select 1 from tracks t join albums a on 
t.[album] = a.[id] where t.id = contributor_track.[track] and a.compilation = 
1);

This makes the Current Playlist display songs the same way as the Now Playing 
song panel, however it still shows ALBUM ARTIST + TRACK ARTIST.
This is different to the display when browsing to the album, which shows only 
the track artists in the track listing.

I don't like that the ALBUM ARTIST is shown as well as TRACK ARTISTS (as the 
context of now playing display is a song), to me it should list the song 
artists (TRACK ARTIST contributors) only.

eg. For the Peter Gabriel album "... and I'll scratch yours", I have tagged 
this with ALBUM ARTIST = Peter Gabriel, but he doesn't actually sing on any 
song; all songs are covers by other albums, but I like it to appear in the list 
of Peter Gabriel albums.  When a song plays, it appears with the album artist + 
track artists, such as "I Don't Remember by Peter Gabriel, David Byrne".

I haven't got a solution to that one, just have to live with it I think.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Rescan required at startup

[Phil Meyer]

Hi Michael Herger ,

>> The scan is progressing, but I notice this in the log.  DnDPlay plugin seems 
>> to be reading a M3U playlist and trying to add tracks to the database???
>
>Trying to understand... you shut down LMS, wiped the library.db and 
>restarted. Which triggered a rescan. Which in turn would complain about 
>DnDPlay locking the DB?
>
I shut down LMS.  Pulled latest 7.9 from Git.  Restarted.
The scanner started to run, but the progress reporting stalled.  It seemed the 
scan had aborted/crashed.  I forced a "clear library and rescan everything".
Then I noticed the exception in the log.
I haven't tried to repeat yet.  It seemed a bit odd; I haven't used DnDPlay in 
some time.
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[SlimDevices: Beta] Rescan required at startup

[Phil Meyer]

Updated to latest LMS 7.9 this evening, and upon server restart it seemed to 
initialise a rescan of the library.  Something went wrong (looked like scanner 
crash), so I did a clean music library wipe and restarted.

The scan is progressing, but I notice this in the log.  DnDPlay plugin seems to 
be reading a M3U playlist and trying to add tracks to the database???


[01:10:11.0653] Slim::Schema::Storage::throw_exception (122) Error: DBI 
Exception: DBD::SQLite::st execute failed: database is locked [for Statement "
INSERT INTO contributors
(name, namesort, namesearch, musicbrainz_id)
VALUES
(?, ?, ?, ?)
"]
[01:10:11.0672] Slim::Schema::Storage::throw_exception (122) Backtrace:

   frame 0: Slim::Utils::Log::logBacktrace 
(C:/Squeezebox/LMS/Beta/server/Slim/Schema/Storage.pm line 122)
   frame 1: Slim::Schema::Storage::throw_exception 
(C:\Squeezebox\LMS\Beta\server\CPAN/DBIx/Class/Storage/DBI.pm line 1006)
   frame 2: DBIx::Class::Storage::DBI::__ANON__ 
(C:/Squeezebox/LMS/Beta/server/Slim/Schema/Contributor.pm line 159)
   frame 3: Slim::Schema::Contributor::add 
(C:/Squeezebox/LMS/Beta/server/Slim/Schema.pm line 2911)
   frame 4: Slim::Schema::_mergeAndCreateContributors 
(C:/Squeezebox/LMS/Beta/server/Slim/Schema.pm line 1603)
   frame 5: Slim::Schema::_newTrack 
(C:/Squeezebox/LMS/Beta/server/Slim/Schema.pm line 1847)
   frame 6: Slim::Schema::updateOrCreateBase 
(C:/Squeezebox/LMS/Beta/server/Slim/Schema.pm line 1711)
   frame 7: Slim::Schema::updateOrCreate 
(C:/Squeezebox/LMS/Beta/server/Slim/Formats/Playlists/Base.pm line 53)
   frame 8: Slim::Formats::Playlists::Base::_updateMetaData 
(C:/Squeezebox/LMS/Beta/server/Slim/Formats/Playlists/M3U.pm line 182)
   frame 9: Slim::Formats::Playlists::M3U::_item 
(C:/Squeezebox/LMS/Beta/server/Slim/Formats/Playlists/M3U.pm line 143)
   frame 10: Slim::Formats::Playlists::M3U::read 
(C:/Squeezebox/LMS/Beta/server/Slim/Plugin/DnDPlay/FileManager.pm line 139)
   frame 11: Slim::Plugin::DnDPlay::FileManager::_cleanup 
(C:/Squeezebox/LMS/Beta/server/Slim/Plugin/DnDPlay/FileManager.pm line 27)
   frame 12: Slim::Plugin::DnDPlay::FileManager::init 
(C:/Squeezebox/LMS/Beta/server/Slim/Plugin/DnDPlay/Plugin.pm line 65)
   frame 13: Slim::Plugin::DnDPlay::Plugin::postinitPlugin 
(C:/Squeezebox/LMS/Beta/server/Slim/Utils/PluginManager.pm line 383)
   frame 14: (eval) (C:/Squeezebox/LMS/Beta/server/Slim/Utils/PluginManager.pm 
line 383)
   frame 15: Slim::Utils::PluginManager::load 
(C:\Squeezebox\LMS\Beta\server\slimserver.pl line 594)
   frame 16: main::init (C:\Squeezebox\LMS\Beta\server\slimserver.pl line 672)
   frame 17: main::main (C:\Squeezebox\LMS\Beta\server\slimserver.pl line 1210)

[01:10:11.0680] Slim::Utils::PluginManager::load (385) Warning: Couldn't call 
Slim::Plugin::DnDPlay::Plugin->postinitPlugin: Carp::Clan::__ANON__(): DBI 
Exception: DBD::SQLite::st execute failed: database is locked [for Statement "
INSERT INTO contributors
(name, namesort, namesearch, musicbrainz_id)
VALUES
(?, ?, ?, ?)
"] at 
C:/Squeezebox/LMS/Beta/server/Slim/Schema/Storage.pm line 126
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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Recent server log msgs

[Phil Meyer]

>Latest git? Like, updated yesterday?
>
Yes.

>I did introduce a bug last week which caused issues with some client apps. Are 
>you using Squeezer by chance?
No, at least not actively running it.  It's installed on a tablet, but I 
haven't used it in ages.
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[SlimDevices: Beta] Recent server log msgs

[Phil Meyer]

My log has been filling up fast since I updated git to latest 7.9 recently, 
with the following msgs:

[00:01:42.0235] Slim::Utils::Misc::msg (1244) Warning: [00:01:42.0232] 
Reference found where even-sized list expected at 
C:/Squeezebox/LMS/Beta/server/Slim/Web/Cometd.pm line 413.
[00:01:42.0238] Slim::Web::Cometd::handler (422) errorNeedsClient: 
00:04:20:1e:02:28, status, -, 10, menu:menu, useContextMenu:1, subscribe:600

Any ideas why - what this might mean?
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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] New in 7.9: "Don't Stop The Music"

[Phil Meyer]

>**Is it me?
>
Not just you :-)  But that would be DSotM.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Multi Library support in LMS 7.9

[Phil Meyer]

>I'm just another squeezebox user looking for the most basic of
>multi-library support (would like to have a "kids music" section,
>without just having to browse by folder)
>
If you upgrade to 7.9, you could try the "Simple Library Views" plugin, which 
is quite easy to configure.

It allows you to create a library, where you define the content to be included 
by adding text files in the source folder for each album to be included.

eg. create a "Favourites" library, with "simple-library-views-Favourites" file 
being created in each album you want to include in the favourites library.  
Gives a bit more control than genre filtering.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] New in 7.9: "Don't Stop The Music"

[Phil Meyer]

>> When it got close to the end, it removed the track and added 10 songs to 
>> play.  All were songs by Tori Amos, Lana Del Ray or Heather Nova.  It seems 
>> to have chosen random songs that have the same genre, but only selected from 
>> 3 albums - I have loads of others.
>
>Would there be more for that particular genre?
Yes, plenty.

>Would you have multiple genres in some of the tracks?
The vast majority, no.

I just tried again.  Played a track by Blur, and it queued up 4xtracks by Lana 
Del Rey, 3x Tori Amos and 4x tracks by Heather Nova, the same as the other 
night.
I have 109 albums tagged with the genre "Alternative".
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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] New in 7.9: "Don't Stop The Music"

[Phil Meyer]

>> A "Random Album (limited to current genres)" would be nice!
>
>On a download site near you shortly! (about an hour)

I just got round to trying this, with DSTM set to "Song Mix (limited to current 
genres)".  What exactly is this meant to do?

I played a track (This Womans Work by Kate Bush) that had genre=Alternative 
Rock (I know, it's not really Alt Rock, but by genres are a bit messed up).
When it got close to the end, it removed the track and added 10 songs to play.  
All were songs by Tori Amos, Lana Del Ray or Heather Nova.  It seems to have 
chosen random songs that have the same genre, but only selected from 3 albums - 
I have loads of others.

The music chosen was appropriate, but I guess this was lucky?  When I played a 
single song from Blur, it also chose the same songs as described above.  Not so 
random?

DSTM - whever I see that in posts, I think "Dark Side of The Moon".  Doh!
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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] LMS 7.9 - empty menus after update and missing artwork

[Phil Meyer]

>Check the server.log
I did, but didn't notice anything (other than a huge amount of warnings for 
uninitialised variables - can't see the wood for the trees!).
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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] LMS 7.9 - empty menus after update and missing artwork

[Phil Meyer]

Would this explain why I have lost mixers on SB2 menus?  I used to start 
Dynamic Playlists from browsing to an item and bringing up mixers to see 
favourite dynamic playlists related to the chosen item.

Also the custom browse menu (right-clicking into the currently playing song) 
seem to be lacking a lot of details/actions.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] 7.9: Drag'n'drop to the web UI / play any file from your computer

[Phil Meyer]

>I've added a way to play music files from your computer by dropping them
>on the web UI's right hand side panel.

This works great for me in Win 7 with Firefox.

Some questions:

1. Dragging local files uploads them to the cache - could it not detect if they 
are on the server (but not scanned in LMS), and instead play them as if 
Browsing Disks and folders?

2. It would be nice if I could drop a folder into the browser, to upload all 
files in the folder - is that possible?

3. 100MB is a bit limiting.  One case I would use this for mostly would be 
podcasts that I don't scan into LMS.  The majority of my podcasts are over an 
hour long, way over 100MB.  Is this configurable?  Why have a limit?  Perhaps 
limit up to "max size of cache folder - 100MB", where max size of cache folder 
could be calculated or manually set as an advanced property.  A bit like "BBC 
iPlayer downloads" app.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] 7.9: Drag'n'drop to the web UI / play any file from your computer

[Phil Meyer]

I was also wondering if it is possible to do a remote upload from a smart 
phone.  Can't drag & drop into browser, but if there was a new Web UI menu 
option to upload music?

eg. podcast downloaded on smart phone.  Select an option to upload music file 
from LMS Web UI.  Choose podcast on smart phone.  Would that be possible?
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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] LMS 7.9 synchronisation problem

[Phil Meyer]

>I can't follow your description. Maybe it's too early in the day for me :-).
>
Sorry, it was too late in the day (early hours of next day) for me to write 
clearly enough :-)

>Was the problem a web UI only issue? (besides the fact that you might 
>have gotten the sync direction wrong) And was it the lower part (the 
>playlist) which was wrong? I re-wrote most of the web UI's playlist 
>handler a fe

Problem was that it didn't play what I expected, in fact what was playing was 
not reported in Web UI current playlist.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Does the Android app still work?

[Phil Meyer]

>I use squeeze commander, it has worked flawlessly for years.
>
I use this one too.  Working fine on my Moto G, Android 5.1.
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[SlimDevices: Beta] LMS 7.9 synchronisation problem

[Phil Meyer]

I was using LMS 7.9, git fetched ~ 12/01/2016.

I had previously been playing a radio stream on a Boom ("Study") in one room a 
few days ago.  I had stopped that stream, and rebooted the server since.

Tonight I was playing music on my Transporter in another room ("Lounge").  I 
decided to synchronise the Boom to the Lounge.

I always forget which way to do this in the Web UI - wanted music I was playing 
in the Lounge to also play in Study.

I was suprised when music in the Lounge stopped, and both players started 
streaming the previously selected radio station from the Boom.  Maybe I got the 
sync the wrong way round.

But even weirder, was that both players playlist in the Web UI showed the music 
that I was expecting to be played.  I refreshed the WebUI.  The top-right panel 
showed the radio station was playing, whilst the bottom-right panel showed the 
local music current playlist.  I selected a track in the current playlist to 
play, but it just reloaded the radio station.  This was the case on both Lounge 
and Study.

I had to clear the current playlist, and select the local music to play again.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] LMS 7.9 - Various Artists not listed under genres

[Phil Meyer]

>Welcome back, MrSinatra.
>
Haha!  I hope not!
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[SlimDevices: Beta] Search not finding new album

[Phil Meyer]

I added a new album by a band called Perceptual Defence called Time Lines.

I can search for the artist, and browse the album.

But if I use live search search for Time Lines, or Search  Albums  Time 
Lines, I get no hits.

Advanced Search works.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Search not finding new album

[Phil Meyer]

what exactly did you do and are you using the latest nightly ?
Or in other word how this issue can be reproduced?
Yes, using source pulled from git within last couple of days.

Selected All Library

In Web UI, click in live search widget and type time lines.
= No search results

In Web UI, click My Music  Search  Albums  Time Lines
= blank page

In Web UI, click My Music  Search  Advanced
Enter Time Lines in the Album field, search for album results
= one hit returned Time Lines by Perpetual Motion.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Search not finding new album

[Phil Meyer]

I added a new album by a band called Perceptual Defence called Time Lines.

I can search for the artist, and browse the album.

But if I use live search search for Time Lines, or Search  Albums  Time 
Lines, I get no hits.

It looks like search doesn't consider compilation albums (or doesn't display 
them in the results at least).

I found this album was incorrectly marked as a compilation as I had manually 
added guest performers to some tracks, and forgot to add the Album Artist tag.

So I have now added the album artist tag and rescanned.  Now the album is found 
when I do a live search for the album title.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Search not finding new album

[Phil Meyer]

It looks like search doesn't consider compilation albums (or doesn't display 
them in the results at least).

I can't repeat this issue with other compilation albums.  Thinking it through 
further, maybe the scan didn't complete properly before; maybe it had scanned 
and added the new album, but not run the Building full text index phase.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] 7.9 Problems/Bugs

[Phil Meyer]

But yes, there does appear to be a bug. The compilation albums should
not appear for artists with a TRACKARTIST role when browsing Album
Artists with the option set to Only show tracks or albums matching the
selected role for an artist. If you're not going to list albums where
the contributor has a TRACKARTIST role, then the compilations should not
be listed.

Sounds to me like the second case is wrong; not the first?

ie.

Sounds like the Album Artists list is showing all artists or album artists, and 
when browsing to an artist, it shows all of the albums they are involved in.
Artists that are only guests on albums (eg. an obscure artist that only appears 
on one track of a compilation) do not appear in the list.

So for example if I browse Album Artists  Brian Eno, I see a list of his 
normal albums, and also 28 Days Later Soundtrack by Various Artists.  If I 
browse into that album, it only lists the one track he appears on.  I think 
that is correct behaviour?

What is odd, is that it doesn't show non-compilation albums for an artist?  The 
difference being if there is an album artist defined on the album?

I.e. it is irrelevant if the album has the compilation indicator or not, the 
difference is if there is an album artist defined or not?
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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Full Text Search and library views

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 It seems that Quick Search and Advanced searches only the current library, 
 whereas Search  Artist, Albums, Songs or Playlists search the whole library?

Hmm... what UI? This should be consistent, or I'll need to fix it.

Web UI.

I assume all searches should be only within current library view?
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[SlimDevices: Beta] Full Text Search and library views

[Phil Meyer]

I recall a discussion on whether search should search the current library or 
all music.

I can't remember which conclusion that discussion ended with, but it seems to 
me that at the moment it is inconsistent.  This confused me for a while, until 
I realised I had a library view selected.

For example, I just searched for Conundrum in the Web UI quick search field.  
As I only have one album that exactly matches this text, I expected it to be at 
the top of the albums results.  But it didn't appear in the list at all.  I 
pressed return to go to Home  Search, listing matching Artists, Albums and 
Songs.  It still wasn't listed.

From quick search, I clicked Albums ... to go to the Home  Search  Albums 
(conundrum) page, and it was listed at the top of the results.

It seems that Quick Search and Advanced searches only the current library, 
whereas Search  Artist, Albums, Songs or Playlists search the whole library?

I think I would prefer all searches to do the same.  It seems important for 
Advanced Search to only search current library, such that it can be used create 
new library views reliably.  So I think it is best for all searchs to only 
return results for the current library.
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[SlimDevices: Beta] Changing artist tag doesn't rescan correctly in 7.9

[Phil Meyer]

I found an artist that I had not tagged correctly.  I changed the artist tag 
for all songs on all albums from Javi Canovas to Javi Cánovas.

I did a scan for new and changed files.  Afterwards when I look at New Music, 
it reports the albums as being by Javi Canovas, Javi Cánovas.

Seems a full rescan is necessary to fix this.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Sort order forms for names

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Does the scanner really support AlbumArtistSort?  I thought it didn't, maybe 
it got added recently?

Or perhaps it is Album ArtistSort?
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[SlimDevices: Beta] Refreshing library views

[Phil Meyer]

I have created library views that show high rated songs, and unrated songs.  
This works a treat, except that when song ratings are changed via TrackStat, I 
can't find a way to refresh the library view.

I tried to reselect the library view, and I've tried performing a scan for new 
or changed files which performs the Create library views step, but this 
didn't seem to affect the library view.

Would it be possible to add an option upon selecting the view (where it 
currently provides options to Use and Delete) to Refresh/Rebuild the 
library view, or implicit in selecting Use that rebuilds the library view?
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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Refreshing library views

[Phil Meyer]

I can't find a way to refresh the library view.

Things seem to go really weird with library views when a scan for new/changed 
files is performed.

I selected my Unrated library view.
I had an album with 3 unrated tracks.
I rated the tracks.
I performed a scan for new/changed files.
I searched for the album title. It was not returned in the list of matching 
albums, but the three tracks were returned in the list of matching songs.

I went to Home  Artists, Home  Albums, etc, and no items were displayed in 
any view.

I deleted the view.
I performed a scan for new/changed files.
The scan indicated Create library views   (5 of 5).  However, the views are 
not recreated (or at least not displayed in Home  Library Views).

I stopped and restarted the server,and now all is good again.  It appears that 
upon restart library views are refreshed, and this works, but during a scan, 
the library views are not refreshed.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Library Demo Plugin

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However, upon enabling the plugin and restarting, each of the demo libraries 
is listed with 0 tracks.

Is there some caching going on?  Plugin outdated, due to changes in the LMS 
library support code?

To answer my own question, it appears that a rescan is needed for libraries 
created through the plugin, but not when they are created via Advanced Search.  
I assumed that it would create the library content the first time the plugin is 
run, or otherwise not list the library until a scan had been done.
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[SlimDevices: Beta] Library Demo Plugin

[Phil Meyer]

I while back I disabled the Library Demo Plugin, as I didn't need the demo 
libraries.

Today I was going to tinker with plugin code to create a new library.  However, 
upon enabling the plugin and restarting, each of the demo libraries is listed 
with 0 tracks.

Libraries I created via Advanced Find still seem to work fine.

Is there some caching going on?  Plugin outdated, due to changes in the LMS 
library support code?
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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] 7.9 summary?

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For instance a search for dar
si moo will bring up the album Dark Side of the Moon instantly, provided
it is in your library.

A search for Dar si moo for me returns 25 hits, including some very weird 
hits that I can't instantly work out why they matched.  Dark side of the moon 
was indeed the top 3 matches (original PF album, remastered album, and version 
by the Flaming Lips).  But actually I expected Dark Side of the Moog to be 
first, as it it is alphabetically before the PF album name, and by Pete Namlook 
and Klaus Schulze, which is alphabetically before Pink Floyd.

Lots of other variations of dark side of the moon in album titles, but then 
some weird hits.  No Album by Various Artists, and if I click on that 
album, I get all songs that have no album tag (2378 songs), so if there is a 
match in there, I'll struggle to find it.  I think it's good when returning 
list of matching songs.This is where I find the new search fails for me.  It's 
full text search, but getting a list of results by album where songs match 
isnt' always helpful.

Gary Moore - Legacy was one hit.  I think because dar is in a song title 
(Dark Days In Paradise), and si is the start of another track Since I Met 
You Baby.  moo hit Gary Moore.  I don't think any one track matched, it 
found two words on different songs of the album, so the album matched due to 
its contents.

The idea is that searching for an artist, album or song title should appear 
nearer the top of the results, followed by lots of other potential hits.

So it can be useful if you know what you want you can be short and cryptic to 
find that hit, but it can also find something unexpected.

e.g. I searched for moog schulze to find Dark Side of the Moog by Klaus 
Schulze, but it also finds Back to the Universe Vol 1 by Various Artists, 
because Klaus Schulze is a contributor to one track, and Moog appears in the 
title of another track.

If you want exact matches to a title (so you can find and play only songs 
containing a search term in the title), use advanced search.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] 7.9 summary?

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So it sounds like with all the new stuff, Erland's Custom Browse might
not even be needed anymore. Hmmm.

Erland created Custom Libraries plugin to define library views using 7.9, but 
it doesn't work anymore I think since a recent update to 7.9.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] 7.9 summary?

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So it sounds like with all the new stuff, Erland's Custom Browse might
not even be needed anymore. Hmmm.

It still has a lot of uses.  eg. browse in your own defined hierarchies, 
including any custom tags via Custom Tag.  Browse by statistics, etc.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Multi Library support in LMS 7.9

[Phil Meyer]

I install custom library and license manager. My music library is
X:/General X:/Folder1 and X:/Folder2.

I set up a library with include directory  X:/General and
X:/Folder1. Library shows number of songs = 1471.

When I select this library and go to album or artiste or other menu, no
songs.

I only can listen if I use random playing.

Anybody know this bug ? Or if I miss something?

Yes, I have same problem.
Although I think custom library isn't licenced here.  I think I have some demo 
libraries that it came with or I set up when it was working for 30 days trial 
period, so thought it was because not licenced now.

I acutally did get quite confused, as I wanted to set up libraries for ratings. 
 i.e. Unrated library view and High rating, etc.  I notice Advanced Search 
has a filter on rating, but it doesn't seem to work.  Assume that Erland's 
trackstat uses a different rating database field, and thus I would need Custom 
Library or tinker with SQL code to make my own view manually?
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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Standard Search results

[Phil Meyer]

Phil's comments were based on a buggy version of the search. 
Unfortunately he didn't verify his search after I fixed the sorting.
I thought I had replied.  After you made a change, the search did indeed start 
to return results in a better order.

The additional results added to the tail shouldn't hurt. Who cares about 
the millions of hits google shows up for any random search? Most users 
will check the first one or two pages and ignore the long tail.

Mostly true.  With the most likely results at the top, it doesn't matter as 
much that there's extra results not of interest further down.  That is if 
performance isn't affected.  I don't notice performance issues, as I have a 
fast server.  Scan times?  Memory usage?  I haven't investigated.

On some occasions, I've been interested in how many songs I have with blah in 
the title, so extra results means that the new search is no good for that sort 
of thing.  But I guess Advanced Search can be used.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Standard Search results

[Phil Meyer]

Fulltext search is optional. Just disable the plugin if you don't like it.

I figured that out thanks, but I also added:

 I see that I can disable full text search plugin to restore original 
 behaviour.  It's a bit radical, because although I prefer the old behaviour 
 by default as this is better for my daily needs, the full text search is 
 good and of benefit some of the time.
 
 I go back to what I thought earlier; leave Search Aritsts, Albums, Songs as 
 they used to work, but add a Search All as the default search that 
 performs the full text search.  It's more consistent with all other sites 
 and apps that provide this feature.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Standard Search results

[Phil Meyer]

I typically use the basic search to find an artist or album, or all
recordings of a particular song. When I say find I don't mean it in
the sense of a search engine ... I use it as the quickest means of
getting to an artist or album. If I want to get to 'Miles Davis' I'll
typically enter 'miles d' or even 's dav' and the search returns just
one artist.
Exactly the same as me.  If you know what you are looking for, search was the 
quickest way to get there (faster than manual browsing).  Seems to me that full 
text search may be more useful for other reasons, and would be great if it can 
also search comments, etc.  e.g. search for german single returns Sie Liebt 
Dich from Mono Masters by The Beatles, because I might not remember how to 
spell German, or that it was on that album.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Standard Search results

[Phil Meyer]

Is this the full text search in 7.9?

Maybe it is.  Didn't realise that was going to be for normal searches.  I 
thought that was something to do with a new search option or advanced search 
and the introduction of songs or albums results mode.  Is there any way to turn 
it off?

Perhaps not so bad if the search results with the search string in the title 
were to appear at the top of the results, but when I search for albums for 
rainbow to quickly locate A rainbow in curved air and end up with 51 album 
matches (eg. A Classic Case by Jethro Tull, Acoustic Love by Various 
Artists, Celestial Ocean by Brainticket, etc), then I find it not as useful 
in this case.

Same if I do it through Touch.  Search  rainbow  My Music  Albums, returns 
the 51 matches, even though I have only 9 albums with rainbow in the title.

I can still use Advanced search, which may be quicker for getting to an album 
that you know you want to play.

Or type more in the search string (like the exact album name).  Only that 
doesn't help when trying to get to Love by The Beatles :-)

Although I am slightly confused.  If I search albums for Love, I only seem to 
get albums with Love in the title (38 hits) less hits than searching for 
rainbow?  I'd expect a lot more if it found albums containing songs with love 
in the title.  If I search for Love in song titles, I get lots of hits 
(capped at 500?).  Maybe it only does full text search if the search string is 
longer than 4 characters?

Full text search may be useful in some situations, but less useful if you know 
what you are trying to find, IMO.  Perhaps would be nice to have Search  
Artist / Album / Songs / Playlist / Full modes.

Phil
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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Standard Search results

[Phil Meyer]

Most likely it is. Your description sounds exactly like a FTS issue.

Yes, I'm sure that's it now I have had a play.

 Perhaps not so bad if the search results with the search string in the title 
 were to appear at the top of the results

That _should_ be the case already. Are you running the latest 7.9 (or at 
least not older than after Christmas)? I did tune the result sorting at 
some point, to exactly do what you were looking for: bring direct 
matches in the title to the top of the list.

I am on latest, pulled down 7.9 yesterday.

I was surprised nobody commented on this behaviour before :-). LMS keeps 
a list of hot keywords, which would return massive result sets. 

Hmmm.

 Full text search may be useful in some situations, but less useful if you 
 know what you are trying to find, IMO.  Perhaps would be nice to have Search 
  Artist / Album / Songs / Playlist / Full modes.

As Pippin mentioned it's much less of a full text vs. normal search 
issue, rather than a how to bring the most relevant hit to the top 
challenge. Yahoo's directory is dead. Everybody is just using Google or 
Bing or whomever's full text search.

I'm not convinced I like it too much, TBH.  A useful feature to have, but not 
as the default for Albums search.

I typically play albums.  I have a lot, so I don't browse for the album I want 
to play, it is quicker to search for the title.

It is much less often that I search for songs, and when i do search for a song 
its because I want to play it, not the whole album, so less often than that 
that I want to find an album that contains a word on a song.

It seemed particularly strange when I selected on Touch interface Search  
Rainbow  My Music  Albums, as I had previously searched for artists and 
songs, which only search by artist title or song title.  Full text search only 
applies to album and playlist search modes?

Maybe you could share your 
library.db file with me, and I'll look in to the particularities of your 
data once I'm back.
Sure, where would you like me to send it?
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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Standard Search results

[Phil Meyer]

It's been mentioned in the forums
I don't remember many conversations about search in all the time I've 
participated on the mailing list/forum.

it's probably the #1 argument of people telling me what a crappy,
outdated system the Squeezebox system is.
Really?  Ridiculous!
In the example given for searching hurry love supremes such that Phil Collins 
doesn't come up, what's the harm of searching for hurry love and selecting 
one of the two hits returned.  It's quicker than also typing supremes, 
especially on IR remote or touch keyboard!

Or search for Power of love and get three hits (Frankie Goes To Hollywood, 
Jennifer Rush, Huey Lewis and the News).  Not too taxing to select one of the 
three.
But now it returns Sea Of Love by Cat Power, and curiously 4. Holier Than Thou 
(No Rest For The Best) - No Album - Frankie Goes To Hollywood (why?  power of 
love is not in any of the metadata - I think because it appears in the file 
path?).  So even power of love frankie which is more typing, doesn't reduce 
the result set to one hit.

But people out there outside
this forum use things like Spotify, Google Music, Amazon, SoundCloud,
YouTube etc. and they are used to quite different standards than a
search logic devised a decade ago.

Well SoundCloud doesn't have albums, etc.  Just a flat list of songs for a user 
account, so it's hardly a similar situation.
I get that the modern generation don't play albums, they play songs and build 
playlists of songs.  I probably come from a slightly older generation that 
prefers albums, as many of my albums flow as one continuous piece.  Less of the 
3 min pop song here, much of my music is progressive rock or electronic/ambient 
stuff.  I guess the type of music and style it is listened to reflects on the 
types of searches that are required for a user.  One type of search doesn't fit 
all.

 It would seem better to me to do it similar to other websites and
 applications.  By default Search All, but provide a Search Artists,
 Albums, or Songs that only searches the respective titles.
 
That's the Advanced Search, isn't it?
No. That's only available in web UI, and additional clicks.  Advanced search is 
useful, and previously I would use this to run more specific queries.  But I 
always know if I am looking for an album (most frequently) or an artist or song 
title.

Sure, that can get as complex, detailed, and specific as it wants to be,
that's what it's for.
Also, filters should be applied.

I don't need to find across all types of entities and then filter the larger 
list down, I already know what I'm looking for.

This *is* a topic that has come up many times before in the forum about 
browsing, where people complain about browse hierarchies, sorting, filtering, 
etc, and many people say they don't bother, as they either play random music or 
search for the thing they are looking for rather than page through/scroll a 
large list.

That's probably how the search _should_ look like: you enter one term
and immediately get fulltext results and if that's not what you are
looking for you can apply filters to limit it to certain categories.

That's rather fiddly on different interfaces.  eg. SB2 with IR remote.

That's what iTunes does, for example.

Well, it can be used that way.  Search, get a load of stuff back, and then 
select items to filter results until you find what you want.  But it also 
doesn't prioritise matches, it sticks to the chosen sort order.  Perhaps useful 
if you don't know what you are looking for or just trying to select something 
semi-randomly to play, and I do see merit in it sometimes.

But in iTunes, I still search for a specific artist, album or song title, less 
results returned, and I find what I specifically want quicker.

In iTunes, i want to find In Rainbows by Radiohead:
If I search all for Rainbow, I get 192 songs, ordered and grouped by Album by 
Artist/Year.  Scroll half way down results to find Radiohead/In Rainbows, or in 
column browser, scroll down list of artists to find Radiohead to filter results 
down further.
If I search albums for Rainbow, I get 7 albums, and In Rainbows is 3rd in the 
list.  Much quicker.


I see that I can disable full text search plugin to restore original behaviour. 
 It's a bit radical, because although I prefer the old behaviour by default as 
this is better for my daily needs, the full text search is good and of benefit 
some of the time.

I go back to what I thought earlier; leave Search Aritsts, Albums, Songs as 
they used to work, but add a Search All as the default search that performs 
the full text search.  It's more consistent with all other sites and apps that 
provide this feature.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Standard Search results

[Phil Meyer]

Sure _you_ are not convinced. But believe me, those other 99.9% of users
out there just cried crap for the last 6 years because Squeezebox did
anything other than full-text search.

I can't remember it being mentioned in the forum or bugzilla before.

I'm not against full text search, it will have its uses, but it doesn't help me 
in my day to day use.  If matching album titles appear at the top of the list 
before albums with only song matches, then it shouldn't detract as much as it 
is right now, it's just that I won't benefit 95% of the time by the extra hits 
in the results.  I can live with that.

But it doesn't quite seem to hang together and seems inconsistent with offering 
a type of thing to search for, some being full text, and others not.

It would seem better to me to do it similar to other websites and applications. 
 By default Search All, but provide a Search Artists, Albums, or Songs that 
only searches the respective titles.

Discogs.com search does full text search, but it also provides search for 
releases (which only searches album titles), and artists.
Similarly in iTunes and MusicIP, search by default does full text search 
returning artists, albums or songs.  But selecting to search for albums only 
searches album titles.
I think most sites are like this.

To be honest, I felt the same when Windows 7 Explorer switched to a simplistic 
text search, compared to WinXP search.  Every time I need to do a specific 
search I end up searching the internet to figure out what text monikers and 
wildcard formats I can enter to do the type of search I need; it's ghastly.
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[SlimDevices: Beta] Standard Search results

[Phil Meyer]

When I do a standard search for a keyword, eg. Rainbow, I get back a list of 
matching Artists, Albums, Songs and Playlists.

Well, I used to!  I still get a list of artists that have the word Rainbow in 
their name, and Songs with Rainbow in their title.  However, the Albums 
results includes albums where there are songs that contain Rainbow, 
irrespective of the album title.

In the WebUI, as I type in the quick search box, a list of only matching album 
titles is displayed.  If I click the search button or press return, or go to 
Home  Search  Albums search, it returns more than just the album title, 
looking also at the songs on the album.

This doesn't seem right - I prefer it not to return the additional albums that 
contain matching songs.  I don't think it used to do this, but I'm not sure.  I 
wonder if it is the result of the change that was done a while back to Advanced 
Search, where you can specify if you want songs or albums in the results.  The 
default Advanced Search mode is to return a list of Songs, not albums.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] 7.9: another schema change is coming, causing a rescan

[Phil Meyer]

I'm getting a warning:

Warning: Argument c268e29a isn't numeric in numeric eq (==) at 
C:/Squeezebox/LMS/Beta/server/Slim/Music/VirtualLibraries.pm line 296.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] What should be included in 7.9 ?

[Phil Meyer]

New behaviour for favorites of local artists/genres/albums: instead of 
just playing them when selected, you can now drill down to them. Eg. if 
you have a favorite artist ABBA, you can directly drill down to their 
albums, right out of the Favorites menu.

Please give tomorrow's nightly build a try!

Another issue - when browsing to a favourite artist, and drilling down to their 
list of albums, I sorted the album list by Year, Album.  However, the list is 
not in year order; the list is always in album name order.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] What should be included in 7.9 ?

[Phil Meyer]

 Also in WebUI, I see images for the favourite items at the top-level (when 
 Favourites node is expanded), but browsing into Home  Favourites doesn't 
 show the artwork.

Yeah, old issue. Will see what I can do.

As a side issue, tonight I used the My Radio Stations for the first time in 
ages in the Web UI.  I think this is a third-party plugin now, is that right?  
I think it is essentially a copy of the OPML Playlist Browser and Editor.  
Anyway, when browsing in either of those plugins, it shows text labels instead 
of images, so for example I see The Dividing Line Broadcast as the image, 
which ovewrites the text label The Dividing Line Broadcast, so it is hard to 
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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] What should be included in 7.9 ?

[Phil Meyer]

Hi Michael Herger s...@herger.net,

New behaviour for favorites of local artists/genres/albums: instead of 
just playing them when selected, you can now drill down to them. Eg. if 
you have a favorite artist ABBA, you can directly drill down to their 
albums, right out of the Favorites menu.

This is great!  But...

It works, but only when a favourite exists at the top level of favourites.

As soon as I move items into a folder within Favourites and browse the folder, 
it reverts back to the old behaviour.  e.g. I add an artist to Favourites, and 
then edit Favourites to move that artist into a sub-folder Home  Favourites  
Artists 

Also in WebUI, I see images for the favourite items at the top-level (when 
Favourites node is expanded), but browsing into Home  Favourites doesn't show 
the artwork.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] LMS 7.9 Search Functionality Enhancements

[Phil Meyer]

In the past, Mp3Tag treated TPE2 as Band.  Newer versions call TPE2 
ALBUMARTIST, which was a weird thing to do when FLAC stores BAND tags.  So with 
the latest Mp3Tag release, it is possible to remap BAND as follows:

In Mp3Tag Options  Tags  Mapping, enter the following:

Tag / Source / Target
ID3v2 / ALBUMARTIST / BAND
ID3v2 / ALBUMARTISTSORT / BANDSORT

This configures Mp3Tag, such that you can read/write a tag called BAND in 
Mp3Tag editor and it will be handled the same as FLAC tags.  i.e. it will store 
your Band field in the id3 frame called TPE2.

There are 3 ways of viewing/entering tags in Mp3Tag:
1. Enter directly in a column in the list view
2. Enter in a field in the Tag Panel
3. Enter through Extended Tags.  Select Add field... and select BAND from 
the drop-down list or type it in.

I can't remember what fields you get to see in Mp3Tag by default.  If you 
haven't got a Band column in the list or field in the quick tag panel, you can 
configure via the following:

Configure a column in the column list:
Right-click on column headings, select Cusomise columns
Create a new column Name=Band, Value=%BAND%, Field=%BAND%.

Configure the Tag Panel:
In Options  Tag Panel, Add field
Field=BAND, Name=Band.


In LMS  Server Settings  My Music, select Treat TPE2 MP3 tag as Band.
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Wow. That is incredibly helpful. Thanks so much, Phil.

You're welcome.

For Foobar 2000 (one of the best/versatile media players), you should ensure 
the following is configured:

File  Preferences
Advanced
Tagging  MP3  ID3v2 revision and quirks
Ensure Map TPE2 to Album Artist is unticked.

Then Mp3Tag, Foobar and LMS should all work consistently.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Additional Browse Modes problem

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Maybe it is obeying the setting Filter Genres at the Album  Track Level?  
Have you tried setting this to only show tracks or albums matching the 
selected genre for an artist?
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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] LMS 7.8 7.9 GENRE Problems

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I assume you need to do this because there isn't a supported GenreSort tag?  
Why is there a genre namesort column if the scanner can't import a genre sort 
column?

Assuming that you need to do a frig to make genre sorting work how you like, 
why don't you store the genre name correctly in your files, and change your 
script to find genre Medieval, and change namesort to a_Medieval?  That's 
less likely to have an adverse effect on the app, and allows genre to be 
presented correctly in all applications.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] LMS 7.8 7.9 GENRE Problems

[Phil Meyer]

I can't say that it has ever crossed my mind that genres needed additional 
sorting support, and I've not experienced it in any other app.  Not that it 
would hurt, but 99.9% of users would never use it.

How about renaming the genre, something like Classical: Era 1 - Medieval, 
etc, to ensure those specific genres are in historical order, and would sort in 
the list nicely with a mix of rock and classical music?
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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] LMS 7.9 Search Functionality Enhancements

[Phil Meyer]

Yeah, I'm not certain whether you'd want filtering when searching for
albums.

For my needs, I think not. Lets say I have an album that is found by
genre and year range, with a couple of tracks on the album labeled with
a different genre. If I find that album in a list of results using the
Advanced Search and then I decide to play it, I'm going to want to play
the entire album, not just the filtered tracks.

If I want to play a whole album, it's not much of a burden at the moment to 
browse to the album from Song Details to play from there.

If the results were not filtered, it's not so easy to play only the matching 
songs, in fact you won't necessarily be able to see what song has caused the 
album to appear in the results.  e.g. find songs with a 2 star rating.

If it showed a heirarchy of album/matching songs, it could be:

Album 
All Matching Songs
song 2
song 5

So you could play album to play all tracks on the album, or All Matching Songs 
to play all matching songs found within that album?

If I'm looking for songs in a particular genre for a particular year, it will 
find some songs on compilations, and that those compilations could have other 
songs with different genres and years.  e.g. if I was searching for a sub-set 
of songs on a specific compilation album, its because I want to play that 
sub-set, not the whole album.  e.g. songs shorter than 3 minutes on album 
xyz, why would I want to see/play all songs on that album?
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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] LMS 7.9 Search Functionality Enhancements

[Phil Meyer]

At the moment one seems to get  an answer in terms of tracks even if one
searches by album in advanced search, which seems a bit perverse-
although I guess it might suit some uses. 

There isn't a search by album in advanced search.  There is only search for 
songs, with one option to find songs that appear on albums containing name.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] LMS 7.9 Search Functionality Enhancements

[Phil Meyer]

That's not modified this year, but modified in 2014. But you've been 
I get your point about relative timestamps (today - 7) :-). Still, that 
should work anyway.

Well, I planned to update the query each year, so at the moment, it is 
modified this year :-)

Oh... but it won't: the library is initialized from the advanced search 
module - which is not loaded in the scanner code. More work to do. The 
famous can of worms...
I'm not sure I understand what the association is with the scanner code, but I 
guess you are on the case.

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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] LMS 7.9 Search Functionality Enhancements

[Phil Meyer]

In that scenario, I would think you'd typically use track search, not
album search.

I suppose so, if there would be an option to show matching songs or show 
container albums, then everyone happy.

I'm not sure why you would want to see heirarchy of album  Songs, if you are 
looking for albums, just list the album results, like Search Albums page?
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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] LMS 7.9 Search Functionality Enhancements

[Phil Meyer]

Will see what I can do there. The problem is that for non-EN speakers 
this might become not so obvious. Und please don't ask me to localize 
this as well :-P

Well perhaps just accepting -7 as an input would do?

 Now I have created a silly library view, how do I remove it?

Go to the Switch Library View menu, select your view, Delete it. I 
should probably rename that menu item.
I missed that, thanks.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Additional Browse Modes - Random Albums?

[Phil Meyer]

Reminds me that I wanted to add library support to Random Play without 
the need to switch to the library first...

Good idea.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] LMS 7.9 Search Functionality Enhancements

[Phil Meyer]

Just to be sure we're talking about the same thing: I didn't mean being
able to run the saved searches as searches, but to be able to
play/enqueue them as though they were playlists. They could appear under
the Search menu, under Playlists, or under Favorites. Whatever makes
sense.
The thing about saving as a playlist or favourite, is that it is flat in 
structure; a heirarchy of search results is good, eg. ArtistAlbum, but not 
going to be what everyone expects.  The flat set of results we get now is good 
if you are just looking for some specific song(s).

A list of previously run searches (automatically save the search and keep last 
10) would be okay, but they could do with a name, hence I see why it is how it 
is.

Returning to a saved search is okay, but a bit clunky being on the drop-down 
list within advanced search.  Having a list of saved searches in a sub-menu off 
the home page may be better.

I think saving searches as libraries is awesome.

Perhaps there could be an automatic library view Last search results.  i.e. 
perform an advanced search, and it updates the Search Results library.  
Switch to that to browse the results in different ways, without needing to come 
up with a name and delete the view later.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] LMS 7.9 Search Functionality Enhancements

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And how do you get to that form with the 'Save As'? Is it supposed to
reappear above the search results? From what I can see, you have to go
back to it via the breadcrumbs before you see the form-above-results and
the Save fields.

Yes, that's what I experience.  It isn't very intuitive.  I assume the idea is 
that after running a search, it hides the search inputs, to give more space for 
the outputs.

But it's not obvious, and most people wouldn't discover the Save As options.

I think some kind of Show/Hide widget for the search input parameters, but move 
the Save As stuff to be permanently displayed with the results.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] LMS 7.9 Search Functionality Enhancements

[Phil Meyer]

 When a search is saved as a custom library, and then the music
  library is rescanned to pick up new music, would you expect
  the custom library to be refreshed to show new matching music?

Yes. If this doesn't work for you, then please send me the 
advancedSearch.prefs file. I'm not hand-coding the SQL, but try to get 
it from the underlying OODB code. I've seen invalid SQL returned before 
- which is surprising, as it would send valid commands to the DB...

I did try to eg. not use genre IDs in the queries, as these might 
change. But maybe I missed something.

Here's the content of the file:

---
Modified this year:
  timestamp:
op: ''
value: 01/01/2014
_ts_Modified this year: 1411601030
_ts_asvl_d4dd73de65c48b07771643b4bfe00310: 1411601040
_version: 0
asvl_d4dd73de65c48b07771643b4bfe00310:
  name: Modified this year
  sql: SELECT '%s', id FROM (SELECT me.id, me.urlmd5, me.url, me.content_type, 
me.title,
me.titlesort, me.titlesearch, me.album, me.primary_artist, me.tracknum, 
me.timestamp,
me.added_time, me.updated_time, me.filesize, me.disc, me.remote, me.audio, 
me.audio_size,
me.audio_offset, me.year, me.secs, me.cover, me.cover_cached, me.vbr_scale, 
me.bitrate,
me.samplerate, me.samplesize, me.channels, me.block_alignment, me.endian, 
me.bpm,
me.tagversion, me.drm, me.musicmagic_mixable, me.dlna_profile, 
me.musicbrainz_id,
me.lossless, me.lyrics, me.replay_gain, me.replay_peak, me.extid, 
me.virtual,
me.coverid FROM tracks me WHERE ( timestamp  1388534400 ) GROUP BY me.id 
ORDER
BY me.disc, me.titlesort COLLATE en_US )
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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] LMS 7.9 Search Functionality Enhancements

[Phil Meyer]

If you incorporated the ability to search for either albums or tracks,
then by searching for albums you'd have a two-level hierarchy. This
could be very helpful. For instance, a search for all 80s Metal albums,
then the user could run the search and pick one from the results.

I assume you still want it to find only matching songs, but would like to see 
as a heirarchy starting at album?

Could have an option for Display results as: Albums or Tracks.  Tracks gives 
the results as they are today, and Albums gives results as list of albums that 
can be browse do see matching songs.  A bit like search  Albums, but with 
results filtered by song matches.


There are several different forms of search, and not all are obvious to find. 
or switch between.
e.g. If you click Home  Search, you get a page called Search Music 
(breadcrumb being Home  Search), with individual controls to search artists, 
albums, tracks, playlists.  There's no option to get to advanced search here.

If you click the live search widget, you go to a page called Search Music 
(breadcrumb being Home  Search), but it only has a single search control, that 
brings back results for all four types of search.  This offers a way to get to 
advanced search.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Additional Browse Modes - Random Albums?

[Phil Meyer]

Do you mean My Music  Random Albums? Where do you see Genre  Random
Albums? I don't see it anywhere in the browse hierarchy where it's
confined to a genre.

I don't think there is, but what I did was set up a library for a specific 
genre, and then switch to that library.  Random Albums will then return only 
albums in that library, so limited to that genre.

Random Albums is great combined with custom libraries created with Advanced 
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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] What should be included in 7.8.1 ?

[Phil Meyer]

Fully agreed. Hmm... I think some work was done a few years ago. Maybe I 
can find some branch with work I could learn from. I'll put that on my list.

That would be great.  There's certain artists that I frequently browse (or 
search) to play an album.  Would be so nice to create a sub-folder in 
favourites to store a list of favourite artists.

Would it be possible to have a library view for music that exists in favorites 
(or even better a favourite sub-folder), maybe an option in advanced search?  
Then I could create a Favourite Artists library view, that updates when more 
artists are added as favourites.

Perhaps there could be a set of hard-coded library views for Favourite 
Artists, Favourite Albums, Favourite Genres.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] LMS 7.9 Search Functionality Enhancements

[Phil Meyer]

When a search is saved as a custom library, and then the music library is 
rescanned to pick up new music, would you expect the custom library to be 
refreshed to show new matching music?
I'm not seeing that at the moment.  i.e. the search was for music modified this 
year, and a specific artist.  I then touched the timestamp on an album by that 
artist, and rescanned music library.  It doesn't appear in the custom library.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] What should be included in 7.9 ?

[Phil Meyer]

This can be done with Erlands SQL Playlists plugin.
Yes, I already use Erlands plugins.  But I was thinking as a simple mechanism 
to mainstream use, the ability to save search criteria as a favourite, to bring 
back live results is a good idea.

Advanced find can always be extended to provide additional search criteria, but 
that is separate from the above idea.  Searching for a range of matching years 
seems like a good point.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] 7.9 Problems/Bugs

[Phil Meyer]

Just wanting to get some clarification re what's supposed to be shown
album wise when browsing Genres - I was expecting to see only
albumartists and their albums, but it looks like composers are included
as well - is this deliberate (surely not)?

My understanding was that the option to either have a single configurable list 
of artists, or two fixed lists for Album Artists and All Artists only applies 
to the Browse Artists list.  Other ways of browsing the library would not be 
changing (so should return the same content they have always displayed).

However, this doesn't seem to be the case; for me it if I select use single 
configurable list of artists, when I browse genre, I get a list of artists 
that have albums, not all artists (as I have the option to Group compilation 
albums together).  If I select Two artist lists, I see all artists for the 
chosen genre (i.e. all artists on compilation albums that are in the chosen 
genre).

So if you like the two artist lists option, it means you can't configure how 
many artists get displayed when browsing genres, years, etc.


I don't know if the intention is for the use one or two artist lists option 
to remain indefinitely; I think that was just a fall-back whilst the new 
mechanism was on trial.  However, I do like the configurability that was 
offered for the older mechanism for this kind of reason.

So we should probably think about how we would like the final implementation to 
work?

It seems to me that the option for one or two lists is not really necessary 
- could have one list that is configurable and this would be used when browsing 
a genre or year, and any amount of additional lists using Additional Browse 
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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] What should be included in 7.9 ?

[Phil Meyer]

Allow users to save searches as
named dynamic playlists (save the search/SQL itself, not a list of
files).

This would be most welcome.  Could offer buttons on the search/advanced search 
pages to Save as Favourite or Save as custom library.

Saved as a favourite, you could visit the favourite and it would run the search 
again, i.e. the search parameters are stored, not the results.

Saved as a custom library, it would appear in the Switch Library View, 
offering ways to browse the results.

I'm not sure about making search more SQL-like; the advanced search web page 
probably allows enough flexibility as it is?  Although potentially some 
additional missing search criteria fields could be added, such as a contributor 
role(s) selector (only find artist that has a role such as Composer).
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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] What should be included in 7.8.1 ?

[Phil Meyer]

I understand that favourites were initially for streams (eg. on-line radio 
channels), and it was useful to click a favourite and immediately start playing 
that source.  However, when making an artist or genre a favourite, it's really 
not all that useful.

If I mark an artist as a favourite, it only allows me to play or add everything 
by that artist.  Being a favourite artist, it's likely that the user has 
several albums by that artist, and playing all music by the artist isn't very 
helpful.  This is especially the case with a genre.  We now have the option of 
making a new browse mode for a chosen genre, so setting a genre as a favourite 
has in some ways been depricated.

It would be better if there was an option to browse to the favourite item, 
whether that be an artist, album, genre, playlist, etc.  From there the user 
could do all the standard usual things - play an album, start a mix, etc.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Additional Browse Modes - Random Albums?

[Phil Meyer]

He's referring to the pagination.
Ah, that makes more sense now!
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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Additional Browse Modes - Random Albums?

[Phil Meyer]

Unfortunately this was causing problems in 
the web UI where when drilling down the list was re-evaluated, resulting 
in a different random resultset... That's the reason why you can't drill 
down the albums list as you do with other browse modes. I'm glad nobody 
complained so far :-). But as this mode is mostly for album listeners, 
drilling down to the track level probably isn't as important as in other 
use cases.

I'm not sure what you mean by can't drill down the list.  I thought that you 
meant that you can't drill down into an album to see the list of tracks, but I 
do seem to be able to do that in the Web UI for Random Albums.

I can't see Random Albums on the Touch UI.  I've included the additional 
browse mode for all players, so my Touch, which is controlling a Boom, should 
get this browse mode?
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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] LMS 7.9: Open the web UI with the left hand navigation panel of your choice

[Phil Meyer]

Please give this some testing. Thanks!

In firefox, when I open the bookmark to view albums, the left-hand pane opens 
and displays albums okay, but I get a permanent page loading indicator.  It 
looks like the right-hand player control area hasn't refreshed; the seekbar is 
not fully displayed.

I used a tool (Fiddler) to monitor local http traffic.  The request issued from 
the browser was:

GET 
http://192.168.1.4:9000/index.html/clixmlbrowser/clicmd=browselibrary+itemslinktitle=BROWSE_BY_ALBUMmode=albums/html/images/spacer.gif
 HTTP/1.1
Host: hergest.demon.co.uk:9000
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/24.0
Accept: image/png,image/*;q=0.8,*/*;q=0.5
Accept-Language: en,en-us;q=0.5
Accept-Encoding: gzip, deflate
Referer: 
http://192.168.1.4:9000/index.html/clixmlbrowser/clicmd=browselibrary+itemslinktitle=BROWSE_BY_ALBUMmode=albums/index.html?mode=albumsindex=
Cookie: Squeezebox-player=00%3A04%3A20%3A1e%3A00%3Ac6; 
Squeezebox-expandPlayerControl=true; Squeezebox-expanded-MY_MUSIC=0; 
Squeezebox-expanded-RADIO=0; Squeezebox-expanded-PLUGIN_MY_APPS_MODULE_NAME=0; 
Squeezebox-expanded-FAVORITES=0; Squeezebox-expanded-PLUGINS=0
X-ClickOnceSupport: ( .NET4.0E)
Connection: keep-alive

After a while it times out, reporting:

HTTP/1.1 504 Fiddler - Receive Failure
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2014 01:03:21 GMT
Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8
Connection: close
Cache-Control: no-cache, must-revalidate
Timestamp: 02:03:21.001

[Fiddler] ReadResponse() failed: The server did not return a response for this 
request. Server returned 0 bytes.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] LMS 7.9: Open the web UI with the left hand navigation panel of your choice

[Phil Meyer]

I didn't know about the search url either.

I've now hacked an LMS search entry into my Firefox search engine bar, which 
works well.

Maybe there's a neater way to do this, but these steps worked:
1. Add the Add to search bar addon 
(http://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/add-to-search-bar).
2. Go to LMS search page in firefox (http://server:9000/?search.  Right-click 
in the search field and select Add to search bar.
3. Close firefox.
4. Edit the firefox profile file that defines the search engine urls, called 
search.json.  In Windows 7, this is {user 
account}\AppData\Roaming\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\{account}.default\search.json.
5. Find the LMS search page entry, and amend the url and params substitution to:

_urls:[{template:http://localhost:9000/,rels:[],params:[{name:search,value:{searchTerms}}]}]
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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Additional Browse Modes problem

[Phil Meyer]

 With LMS configured to use two separate lists for Album Artists and All 
 Artists, I can't achieve the equivalent of the show band in artists option 
 of the old Browse Artists mode.

Just before I go and revert the removal of some related preference: does 
it still work when using the old browse mode with only one list?

Yes.

 Possible solution proposed: At scan time, ensure Album Artist contributor 
 roles are assigned to albums not defined with an album artist.  We can then 
 more simplistically use ALBUMARTIST role to get the same effect as the 
 built-in Album Artists browse mode, and add other contributor roles as 
 required.

 Note: could then also eliminate ARTIST - just have ALBUMARTIST and 
 TRACKARTIST roles.

This totally makes sense. Unfortunately I fear this would be opening up 
a can of worms (just in case I didn't open that one yet :-)). There 
might be a considerable risk to break lots of other cases. I haven't 
investigated all of the code for this yet. It's just a gut feeling I 
have. Fed by the lack of time to attack such changes now...

Yeah, I thought you would say that ;-)

I don't see much issue with the first phase of change though - just to assign 
one (or more) album artists per album at scan time instead of artist 
contributor role.  Adding additional album artists won't break anything, as we 
know that albums with album artist tags are handled like this okay.

The logic to decide the artists for an album must currently exist whilst 
browsing album artists (logic to use album artist role for the album, or if 
there isn't one, use Artist role).  Just need to add this as a post-scan 
calculation, or at the same time as the logic that assigs Album Artist = 
Various Artists for auto-detected compilation albums.

Everything else could wait - potentially redundant code could be removed and 
browse code optimised a lot better, but everything should work.

To test the theory, I had a go at updating my library, to convert 
contributor_album artists to album artists, and contributor_track artists to 
track artists, where they are associated with regular albums:

update contributor_track
   set role=6
where role=1 and track in (
  select t.id
  from tracks as t  
  join albums as a on t.album = a.id
  where a.compilation  1 and contributor_track.[track] = t.id 
);

update contributor_album
   set role=5
where role=1 and album in (
  select a.id
  from albums as a
  where compilation  1 and contributor_album.[album] = a.id 
);

I had one issue with an album that was defined by a cue sheet (as it had the 
album and the .cue file in the database, and this album had both artist and 
album artist roles somehow), so I deleted the artist roles for that album.

I had some tracks that incorrectly had an album artist defined, where the 
tracks didn't belong to an album (thus appeared in No Album).  This caused a 
similar issue as it resulted in both artist and album artist roles, so the 
update statement couldn't work (would create duplicate records), and thus 
deleted the album artist roles for those tracks.

I have had a good browse around having made this update, and everything seems 
fine. I can browse album artists and bands to get the same results as the 
original single artists browese list.

Note: I was cautious with compilations, as I thought the scanner used to create 
an album artist = various artists automatically, but LMS 7.9 doesn't seem to do 
that now (or at least not displayed when browsing a compilation album).  But I 
think this sql update will also be fine with Album Artist + Track Artist roles 
(instead of artist roles).  Will try tomorrow if it helps?

So, as a frig for now, I'll run these statements after a rescan, but if the 
scanner could create album artist + track artist roles for each album, there 
should not be any knock on effect to browsing the library.

Phil
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[Phil Meyer]

With LMS configured to use two separate lists for Album Artists and All 
Artists, I can't achieve the equivalent of the show band in artists option of 
the old Browse Artists mode.

i.e. Album Artists is a pre-configured list that shows regular artist albums, 
and albums that have an album artist, but crucially not Artists on compilations.
I used to have the Browse Artists list include Bands/Orchestras.

So I thought I'd create a new browse mode called Artists and Bands, including 
contributor roles ALBUMARTIST, BAND.  However, that doesn't have the desired 
effect, as ALBUMARTIST only pulls back artists that have been tagged as album 
artists, and not artists for regular albums.

So I tried to use ALBUMARTIST, ARTIST, BAND.  However, that doesn't have the 
desired effect, because ARTIST also pulls back all artists on compilation 
albums.

There must be special logic that is applied within the built-in Album Artists 
browse mode and the original Artists browse mode, that is not possible to 
replicate with a custom browse mode.

Possible solution proposed: At scan time, ensure Album Artist contributor 
roles are assigned to albums not defined with an album artist.  We can then 
more simplistically use ALBUMARTIST role to get the same effect as the 
built-in Album Artists browse mode, and add other contributor roles as 
required.

Note: could then also eliminate ARTIST - just have ALBUMARTIST and TRACKARTIST 
roles.

Phil
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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] 7.9 Problems/Bugs

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A solution would be to change the New Music browse mode name to New and 
changed music ;-)
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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Album artists shown for albums

[Phil Meyer]

You can define how TPE2 should be treated. If you're using the single 
artist list you could make LMS treat TPE2 either similar to the album 
artist, or just as another role.

I have it configured to treat TPE2 as Band/Orchestra, as I use TXXX Album 
Artist for album artist tags.

I don't want Band to be treated as Album Artist, that loses a lot of 
versatility, and would be inconsistent with my FLAC tags.
Especially as the scanner doesn't support custom BAND tag (eg TXXX Band).

 We had the checkbox prefs to select whether to display Band/Orchestra 
 contributors in the Browse Artists list, but then when clicking on a band 
 name it would show the album by artist(s).

 I prefered the Band/Orchestra name to override the display of artist(s).  I 
 like to put full artist names as artist contributors, so they match with 
 solo artist appearances.  I then put the name as appears on the album in the 
 band field.  The idea being that it displayed a shorter name as the band in 
 the list of albums, but I could still follow links to other works through 
 the actual artist contributor roles.

I still do this.
How?  I don't think you do.  What you are saying is you treat the 
Band/Orchestra as if it is Album Artist, and this is always used for display.  
That is different to display Band instead of Artists.

Artist and Band should be in the context of a song, and Album Artist only in 
the context of an album.  i.e. Album Artist is not really a property of a song, 
but a way of passing-through at scan time a property of an album.

Again, with the single artist list you can have Bands 
be listed, and Bands be treated like album artists. This behaviour imho 
is still the same as before.
No, its not.  Well, perhaps kind of similar, as the list by Band option had 
already been broken ;-)

Describing it a slightly different way, the option allowed either (track) 
artists or (track) band/orchestra to be displayed on the fly by changing the 
option, but if an album artist is defined, that would always override either 
choice.

Putting Band into Album Artist (or for id3 tags, interpretting Band/Orchestra 
as Album Artist), means the artist name would never be displayed.

Unplugged by Jimmy Page and Robert Plant (list artists) or Page  Plant (list 
by Band).

I can live with it, there's worse things in life, but it's not as good as it 
used to be, that's all.  Just trying to explain how it used to work, and why it 
was good (before it was originally broken, not by your change to remove it).
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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] 2 alarm requests

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I have my LMS server running on a Windows desktop PC.  I hibernate this, 
configured to wake up before an alarm is scheduled.

You could set up a calendar of wake up events for the server, such that if you 
don't want be woken on certain days, if the server doesn't wake up, the LMS 
alarm won't run.

Setting up additional alarms might be trickier.  I wonder if there is a CLI 
command for adding once-only (non repeatable) alarms?  Maybe some other app 
could be written to manage alarms and create an alarm in LMS automatically.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Additional Browse Modes - Random Albums?

[Phil Meyer]

I've always wanted a means of browsing random albums in the web UI. For
when I don't know what I want to listen to. All of the other browsing
modes are _too_ organized to accomplish this. :) I'd just want to see a
random set of album covers presented on a page. It could be paged 1..N
for the entire library, but it doesn't have to be; it could just show a
single page that can be refreshed.

I have a Random Albums browse mode that provides a single page of 20 random 
albums, and it is one of my most frequently used ways of selecting music to 
play.
Easy to achieve with Erlands Custom Browse plugin.

I've also got Random Albums for genre and Random Albums for year, which 
ask for a genre or year when you click on them.
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[SlimDevices: Beta] Switch Library View feature

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I understand that I can use the Switch Library View to select a library that 
all other browse options will then use, is that right?

e.g. in Web UI, if I go to Home  Switch Library View  Low Bitrate  Low 
Bitrate, I can then visit Home  Albums to see a list of albums containing low 
bitrate songs.

Some questions though:

1. Why when selecting a library do you have to select it twice in the Web UI 
(i.e. pick the option, revealing the name of the library that has to be chosen 
again?).  Doesn't appear to be the case with Touch.

2. Can't seem to switch library view successfully in the Android app Squeeze 
Commander.  I guess this is an issue with with the app, not a 

3. It seems the chosen library view is a per-server setting, not per-player?

4. If I choose a library view, and then browse into another library, eg. Home  
Artists loving long tracks, I assume this will show the full content for that 
library, not also filtered by the selected library view (i.e. doesn't show 
artists loving long tracks that have a low bitrate).
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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Switch Library View feature

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3. It seems the chosen library view is a per-server setting, not per-player?
Actually, seems to be per-client, not server or player.  i.e. I can Switch 
Library view on a Touch, and if I then use the Web UI to browse music with that 
player chosen, the Web UI library view will be used.

What is the persistance of the selected library view on each type of user 
interface?  For web UI, it remembers the chosen library view following a server 
restart.  Is it held in a cookie?  What about Touch and other player UI's?  It 
doesn't show anywhere that I can see what the current library view is?

Perhaps in Switch Library View, it could indicate what is currently selected?
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[SlimDevices: Beta] Additional Browse Modes confusion

[Phil Meyer]

I did a clear and rescan today.  Now when I try to browse anything within the 
additional browse mode Home  Low Bitrate, I get Empty.  Also a high rating 
library (created using Erlands custom libraries plugin) is showing 0 songs (I 
confirmed that trackstat ratings are still available in the library).

However, other additional browse modes are working fine (Composers, Conductors, 
Compilations, Artists loving long tracks).

Perhaps a bug with detecting low bitrate songs?

Or is there something I need to do to force library/browse mode to be refreshed?

Actually I am a little confused - is Low Bitrate a library, or an additional 
browse mode?  It is presented both as a library, but also configured within 
Additional Browse Modes settings.

I also notice that I have a Server Settings  Advanced  Additional Browse 
Modes.  I wondered why when I changed the browse modes listed on this page they 
didn't update on the Home screen.  Then I remembered that they are per-player 
configured settings.  I think this is a bit confusing; you can define the 
browse modes in server settings AND player settings, but choose to include or 
exclude in player settings.  Perhaps need a note in the server settings to say 
that the additional modes are selected per-player.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Switch Library View feature

[Phil Meyer]

Do you really have to click it twice? Isn't the first response just a 
bit confusing, as it's supposed to be a show briefly on the device?

Actually, no it appears that selecting (web UI) Home  Switch Library View  
{library choice} makes the choice stick, but it presents another screen that 
duplicates the library name that can be clicked on (which seems to display a 
cover and title for the library.

You don't get this when choosing from a player UI.

 2. Can't seem to switch library view successfully in the Android app 
 Squeeze Commander.  I guess this is an issue with with the app, not a

Could you please check the server.log whether you see any activity 
related to this?

Nothing notable in log.  It does actually seem to change the library setting, 
as I see a notification on my touch if I use Squeeze Commander android app to 
change the library.  So I guess that Squeeze Commander uses a different 
mechanism to get a list of artists (maybe local cache of data held in the app?)
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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Additional Browse Modes confusion

[Phil Meyer]

 Perhaps a bug with detecting low bitrate songs?

I would guess that the scan didn't finish correctly. Anything in 
scanner.log?

Scan seemed to complete okay.  Although it does appear to have completed 
quicker than I expect:


Discovering files/directories: M:\Music\Alex's Music   (478 of 478)   Complete  
00:00:01
Scanning new music files: M:\Music\Alex's Music   (402 of 402)   Complete  
00:00:04
Discovering files/directories: M:\Music\Kids   (485 of 485)   Complete  00:00:00
Scanning new music files: M:\Music\Kids   (449 of 449)   Complete  00:00:06
Discovering files/directories: M:\Music\Live Concerts   (6343 of 6343)   
Complete  00:00:03
Scanning new music files: M:\Music\Live Concerts   (5536 of 5536)   Complete  
00:01:06
Discovering files/directories: M:\Music\Phil's Music   (52954 of 52954)   
Complete  00:00:26
Scanning new music files: M:\Music\Phil's Music   (45709 of 45709)   Complete  
00:10:12
Discovering files/directories: M:\Music\Surround Sound   (170 of 170)   
Complete  00:00:00
Scanning new music files: M:\Music\Surround Sound   (137 of 137)   Complete  
00:00:02
Discovering playlists: M:\Music\Slimserver\Playlists   (13 of 13)   Complete  
00:00:00
Scanning new playlists: M:\Music\Slimserver\Playlists   (10 of 10)   Complete  
00:00:01
MusicIP Import   (52061 of 52061)   Complete  00:03:23
Create library views   (3 of 3)   Complete  00:00:00
Pre-caching Artwork   (5264 of 5264)   Complete  00:00:01
Database Optimize   (2 of 2)   Complete  00:00:33
The server has finished scanning your media library.
Total Time: 00:15:58 (Monday 18 August 2014 / 19:46:37)

Create library views took 0 seconds?
16 mins for a full rescan seems pretty quick (I remember when this used to take 
close to an hour).  Could be because of your good work with optimising the 
scanner though.
Only a few warnings in scanner log about some songs that could not be looked up 
in MusicIP.

 Actually I am a little confused - is Low Bitrate a library, or an 
 additional browse mode?  It is presented both as a library, but also 
 configured within Additional Browse Modes settings.

How did you define the Low Bitrate mode?

I really can't remember!  So much new stuff that I was messing about with, and 
now can't remember what I configured and what was example modes provided by LMS.

Edit: Looks like I did this through Custom Libraries, which is Erlands 
third-party plugin. It appears these libraries are not refreshed following a 
rescan, and I'm not sure how to force it.
Sorry, I thought Low Bitrate was an example provided with your stuff.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Additional Browse Modes confusion

[Phil Meyer]

Okay, I can confirm that some browse menus have come from custom libraries that 
I must have defined a while back with Erlands Custom Libraries plugin.  All of 
these are showing up 0 songs in each library.  Need to figure out how to 
refresh these following a rescan.  Don't think the library content is dynamic, 
so periodic refresh is required (for example High rating would need 
refreshing after I rate some songs).

However, I didn't realise that Custom Libraries plugin was under a licence, 
which has just expired for me.  The libraries were working before I did the 
scan.  I think pre-existing configured libraries will still work, but can't 
manage (create, edit, delete) without a licence.  Maybe lack of a licence is 
related to the lack of refresh at scan time.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] 2 alarm requests

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All for these ideas as optional features.

As an alternative, what if each playlist remembered it's last play position (at 
least track, preferable track and time).  If you had a specific named playlist, 
and an alarm started, replacing that playlist, you could select to play the 
playlist again later, and resume from last position.  A bit like iTunes/iPod 
podcast handling.  I think there was a plugin that added this, or at least it 
was mentioned.

I think there was also a plugin to remember the last few playlists played on 
each player.  That dates back a while, not sure it still exists. or works.

The problem with non-named playlists are that they can be dynamic.  i.e. every 
time a new track is added, that would be a new backup of the playlist.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Album artists shown for albums

[Phil Meyer]

 The list albums by band option otoh is being used when displaying 
 albums (in some places only, as mentioned above). It is one of the prefs

I'd have to defer to Phil as to what this option should or could be used
for. In the other recent thread on the subject, he mentioned a situation
where he thought it was necessary, but I never fully understood the
reasoning.


Sorry, coming into this late (the option has already gone)?  Anyway, thought 
I'd just note my understanding of the purpose of the preference.

list albums by band or by artists - I believe was to change the way that an 
album was displayed.

Remember in id3 tags, TPE2 represents Band/Orchestra.  The pref was an option 
to select whether to display the Band contributor(s) or the (track) Artist 
contributor(s).

We had the checkbox prefs to select whether to display Band/Orchestra 
contributors in the Browse Artists list, but then when clicking on a band name 
it would show the album by artist(s).

I prefered the Band/Orchestra name to override the display of artist(s).  I 
like to put full artist names as artist contributors, so they match with solo 
artist appearances.  I then put the name as appears on the album in the band 
field.  The idea being that it displayed a shorter name as the band in the list 
of albums, but I could still follow links to other works through the actual 
artist contributor roles.

A similar feat can be obtained by using Album Artist to hold the Band name 
instead, as album artist always overrides how the album by artist is 
displayed.  However, this isn't as good as the Band really applies to the song, 
not to the album.  On compilation albums, there can potentially be different 
track artists and different band/orchestra on each track.

So with the display of album by artists, artists was calculated in the 
following order:
1. album artist(s)
2. band/orchestra(s)
3. artist(s)

The setting affected whether to include (2) in that display priority order.

Effectively, by removing the option to show band(s) instead of artist(s), 
anyone wanting to denote the band name will now have to put the band name tag 
into an artist tag, or make the album artist.  There is less reason to have 
specific band/orchestra contributors, and could just bung them all in as 
artists?

It would be good if presentations of album by artist ould follow that 
contributor display priority, whilst song by artist would only consider 
band or artist roles.


I have many examples of this that I have used in the past:

1) There was a band originally called A Silver Mt. Zion, who changed their 
name slightly on each album over time - A Silver Mount Zion, A Silver Mt. 
Zion and Tra La Band, The Silver Mount Reveries, etc.  I elected to make the 
Artist A Silver Mt. Zion consistently on each album, and use Band to denote 
the name used on the album.  I can then see all of their albums in one list, 
but see the correct name displayed when viewing the list.

2) Unplugged by Page / Plant.  I tag this album with artists Jimmy Page and 
Robert Plant, and set the Band to Page  Plant.

Some A Silver Mt. Zion songs and Page/Plant songs appear on compilation 
albums.  I consistently apply artist and band on these songs too, leaving Album 
Artist for the name of the album (eg. Various Artists for a compilation album, 
calculated automatically).
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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] WebUI Find albums with small artwork problem

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Thanks for the suggested script.

which OS did you use?
Windows 7

I think this needs some changes:
  msgbox myPicture.width/26.458  - myPicture.height/26.458 
Need to return this to the wrapper to function

   if not %%a==%%b echo %1;%%ax%%b\\%musicfolder%\noquadrat.ini
Don't need the \\ before musicfolder.

Phil
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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] WebUI Find albums with small artwork problem

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Do you go back by hitting the back button or by browsing there again? 
Sometimes, subconsciously I have probably done that.  Habit!

But I generally click the Smaller than 300 pixels in the breadcrumb trail, 
which seems to cause a re-query as it goes off to fetch data for a few seconds 
(I have over a 1000 hits listed that I'm trying to find better artwork for).

Even if I go back home and click all the way through again, it doesn't seem to 
detect some albums that I have stored better artwork for.  Often it does, but 
not always.

You'll have to do the round-trip to make sure you get the latest list.
I don't need to rescan library, right?  In that it seems that some artwork that 
I update causes albums to disappear from the list, whereas others don't.  All 
artwork named Cover.jpg in album folder, often I'll replace folder.jpg 
(small) with Cover.jpg (decent).
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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Can't edit playlist in LMS 7.9

[Phil Meyer]

Heh... you must be the other mailing list only (no web forum) user :-). 
I wanted to edit my previous posting to tell you that this issue is 
fixed. But I'm sending this second mail instead.

Yep, that's right.  My email client is far superior to the web forum, with 
rules for auto highlighting posts of interest.
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[SlimDevices: Beta] WebUI Find albums with small artwork problem

[Phil Meyer]

When I go to Home  Find albums with small artwork  Smaller than 300 pixels, i 
see a list of albums with artwork.  My workflow is to click on an album 
artwork, find an alternative image and replace it on disk.  Then, after a while 
when I return back to the list of albums with small artwork and click on the 
next album, it doesn't always open the right artwork, but a small album artwork 
further down the list.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] 7.9: Play tracks without storing them in the database

[Phil Meyer]

Marvellous!  Now I can listen to podcasts downloaded from iTunes without 
poluting my music library with inconsistent artist/album names.

Thanks
Phil
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[SlimDevices: Beta] Can't edit playlist in LMS 7.9

[Phil Meyer]

In web UI, if I click on a playlist ( Home  Playlists  playlist-name ), the 
playlist tracks are displayed, and I can for example remove a track from the 
playlist.  However, the Playlist name that is being editing is no longer 
auto-populated.  If you press Save, it doesn't seem to save the change, or at 
least, doesn't ask for confirmation.  If you enter the playlist name, then Save 
action will ask for confirmation, but it doesn't seem to save.  If you remove a 
track from the playlist, it clears the manually entered playlist name.
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