[blind-gamers] Bye for now…

[Cara Quinn]

Hi All,

I’ve enjoyed being part of this list over these many years now but I think it’s 
time for me to go.

thanks so much to all of you for your support and I wish you and yours my very 
best!

Happy gaming and perhaps we’ll chat again in future!

Cheers!

Cara







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Re: [blind-gamers] bowling

[Cara Quinn]

Hi again Charles, when we do update Ten Pin Alley, we will absolutely be 
including 3D physics and game-play. This will be a much more comprehensive and 
realistic experience. So this will be a lot of fun and should be more of what 
you’re after.

Cheers!

Cara





> On Nov 11, 2023, at 9:32 AM, Charles Rivard  wrote:
> 
> Good thought, but I’m looking for a full blown, challenging game of bowling 
> with as many variables as possible to contend with.  Things like the oil 
> conditions on the lane, ball material to determine the characteristics of the 
> chosen ball, positioning on the approach, and other stuff.  Thanks.
>  
> When you think you’re finished, You! Are! Finished!
>  
> From: Nicol 
> Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2023 9:30 AM
> To: blind-gamers@groups.io 
> Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] bowling
>  
> HI charles
> 
> I know this is not a full-blown bowling game, but there is  a minigame in 
> crazy party that is almost like ten pin  bowling.
> 
> Its called funny bowling; although it lasts for only a minute, to me at least 
> it is almost like ten pin bowling.
> 
> You have to first get a blue or a red ball and then aim at the blue or red 
> pins.
> 
> If you have unlocked it, you can play it in the rewards room over and over 
> again as much as you like.
> 
> You will encounter funny bowling in the city world and crazy party is totally 
> free.
> 
> hth
> 
> On Nov 10, 2023 5:08 PM, Charles Rivard  > wrote:
> Are there any 100 percent accessible bowling games for either the PC or 
> iPhone other than the “blindfold bowling” game?  I already have that one.  
> Thanks.
> 
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Re: [blind-gamers] bowling

[Cara Quinn]

Hi Charles and all, not to put too fine a point on it, :) but we actually do 
have two apps in the Mac app store:

Change Reaction and Silver Dollar.

iOS apps will be coming but not yet. -Just wanted to eliminate any possible 
confusion for folks. :)

Happy weekend and happy Veterans Day!

Cheers!

Cara





> On Nov 10, 2023, at 8:26 PM, Charles Rivard  wrote:
> 
> Draconis doesn’t have any of their games in the app store, but I’m looking 
> forward to them.  Thanks for the suggestion.
>  
> When you think you’re finished, You! Are! Finished!
>  
> From: Heather Seaman 
> Sent: Friday, November 10, 2023 7:58 PM
> To: Charles Rivard 
> Cc: blind-gamers@groups.io 
> Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] bowling
>  
> I don't know the link but you could try Ten-pin Alley by Draconis 
> Entertainment. They've recently started porting at least some of their games 
> to IOs so I'd check the Apple App store first to see if the game has been 
> added. I don't know the status of the title on Windows. Meaning that I don't 
> know whether they still have any of their games available on Windows since 
> they posted to this list saying that they were going to develop for Apple 
> devices for the future. 
> 
> On Nov 10, 2023 5:08 PM, Charles Rivard  > wrote:
> Are there any 100 percent accessible bowling games for either the PC or 
> iPhone other than the “blindfold bowling” game?  I already have that one.  
> Thanks.
> 
>  
> When you think you’re finished, You! Are! Finished!
> 
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Re: [blind-gamers] games that are on xbox and pc can people please give links?

[Cara Quinn]

Probably the safest controller to get would be an XBox controller. I’m assuming 
that any controller or wheel that works with Windows would probably work though.

There are also controller mapping options available in the game as well, and 
the keyboard is also usable and configurable.

Cheers!

Cara





> On Nov 11, 2023, at 1:50 PM, joseph weakland via groups.io 
>  wrote:
> 
> for those who play forsa on a pc,whats the best controller recommended that 
> works in case i desire to get said controler?
> 
> On 11/10/2023 4:35 PM, Cara Quinn wrote:
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> Just want to respond to this since it was my post that started it.
>> 
>> First off, my apologies for not posting links. I honestly had intended only 
>> to post to gage interest in a possible weekly chat for folks who were 
>> already playing the game, rather than discuss the game itself.
>> 
>> Secondly, since I am only playing the XBox version, and am not playing on PC 
>> or looking to play this on a Mac, I had no idea where to download the actual 
>> game.
>> 
>> For future reference for everyone not on console, when anyone mentions that 
>> a game is on XBox, you can only ever install that from the Microsoft store 
>> that I know of, so there is only one place to find those games. Obviously, 
>> since this game is also available natively on PC and also on Steam, this is 
>> where the confusion happens.
>> 
>> As a note of interest, I did see someone playing this on an M1 Mac so I am 
>> assuming this is via Steam. So this does seem to be possible.
>> 
>> Also, it looks like Apple will have more ability to run Windows titles 
>> natively in the near future so it should be much easier to run these titles 
>> on Mac.
>> 
>> Lastly, to the person who mentioned that a Forza Discord server already 
>> exists, (Forza Motorsport Blind Masters) I did look it up and found that the 
>> link had expired.
>> 
>> Do you know if this still exists, or do you have an updated link?
>> 
>> At this point, I don’t see why having another Forza chat would be a bad 
>> thing so for now at least, I’ll plan on seeing if folks would still like to 
>> do this. Any thoughts, anyone? :)
>> 
>> So once again, my apologies for unknowingly starting a contentious thread. 
>> It was certainly not my intention.
>> 
>> I wish you all a wonderful weekend and to those who are interested in Forza, 
>> happy racing! :)
>> 
>> Cheers!
>> 
>> Cara
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 10, 2023, at 12:49 PM, Charles Rivard 
>>> <mailto:wee1s...@fidnet.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Who are the rats?  (ornery grin)
>>>  
>>> When you think you’re finished, You! Are! Finished!
>>>  
>>> From: Peter Donahue <mailto:pdonah...@satx.rr.com>
>>> Sent: Friday, November 10, 2023 12:39 PM
>>> To: blind-gamers@groups.io <mailto:blind-gamers@groups.io>
>>> Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] games that are on xbox and pc can people please 
>>> give links?
>>>  
>>> Hello Matt and everyone,
>>>  
>>> This is another example of what I call the referral rat 
>>> race.
>>>  
>>> Peter Donahue
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>> From: blind-gamers@groups.io <mailto:blind-gamers@groups.io> 
>>>  <mailto:blind-gamers@groups.io> On Behalf 
>>> OfMatthew Chao via groups.io <http://groups.io/>
>>> Sent: Friday, November 10, 2023 8:53 AM
>>> To: blind-gamers@groups.io <mailto:blind-gamers@groups.io>
>>> Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] games that are on xbox and pc can people please 
>>> give links?
>>>  
>>> Hi, Charles.  Totally agree.  How many times have we followed multiple 
>>> Google links, only to find that they weren't what we were looking for.  
>>> Frankly, that's truly a waste of time.--Matthew Chao
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> On 11/10/2023 9:47 AM, Charles Rivard wrote:
>>> Marta’s message was, in my opinion, offensive.  Employment status has 
>>> nothing to do with it.  We’re not asking for a huge and complete list of 
>>> links.  It might be a bit overwhelming to some people when they find 6,875 
>>> results, most of which aren’t what you’re looking for.  Also, answering a 
>>> question with the results asked for is not spoon feeding.  It is directly 
>>> helping.  Merely telling someone to Google it is the lazy way.  If you’re 
>>> too busy to provide 

Re: [blind-gamers] (Forza Motorsport and onboard graphics,

[Cara Quinn]

Not sure if this will help, but there is a benchmark option in the PC version 
which will evaluate your system.

You can also adjust the game’s options for different frame rates and whether or 
not to use ray-tracing etc.

I don’t know about compatibility, as I’m not using the PC version, as I’d 
mentioned earlier, but hopefully this helps a bit.

Hope it works for you!

Cheers!

Cara





> On Nov 11, 2023, at 3:48 AM, Nick and Gemma Adamson  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi All.
> I’m really quite interested in (Forza Motorsport. My son has a force feedback 
> steering wheel, so this could be fantastic.
> I’ve got a pretty good PC and easily meet the specs for everything other than 
> graphics.
> For what felt like obvious reasons at the time, I didn’t bother getting 
> anything other than onboard graphics when I specified my PC and concentrated 
> on processor and memory as I mostly use it for audio design and coding.
>  
> Has anyone tried playing (Forza Motorsport with onboard graphics or will it 
> just not work? I did try a google but it’s quite an unusual question, 
>  
> According to the DX diagnostic tool my graphics card is:
>Card name: Intel(R) UHD Graphics 630
> Manufacturer: Intel Corporation
>Chip type: Intel(R) UHD Graphics Family
>   Display Memory: 8243 MB
> Dedicated Memory: 128 MB
>Shared Memory: 8115 MB
> Current Mode: 1920 x 1080 (32 bit) (60Hz)
>  
> Thanks.
> Nick.
>  
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Re: [blind-gamers] games that are on xbox and pc can people please give links?

[Cara Quinn]

Hi All,

Just want to respond to this since it was my post that started it.

First off, my apologies for not posting links. I honestly had intended only to 
post to gage interest in a possible weekly chat for folks who were already 
playing the game, rather than discuss the game itself.

Secondly, since I am only playing the XBox version, and am not playing on PC or 
looking to play this on a Mac, I had no idea where to download the actual game.

For future reference for everyone not on console, when anyone mentions that a 
game is on XBox, you can only ever install that from the Microsoft store that I 
know of, so there is only one place to find those games. Obviously, since this 
game is also available natively on PC and also on Steam, this is where the 
confusion happens.

As a note of interest, I did see someone playing this on an M1 Mac so I am 
assuming this is via Steam. So this does seem to be possible.

Also, it looks like Apple will have more ability to run Windows titles natively 
in the near future so it should be much easier to run these titles on Mac.

Lastly, to the person who mentioned that a Forza Discord server already exists, 
(Forza Motorsport Blind Masters) I did look it up and found that the link had 
expired.

Do you know if this still exists, or do you have an updated link?

At this point, I don’t see why having another Forza chat would be a bad thing 
so for now at least, I’ll plan on seeing if folks would still like to do this. 
Any thoughts, anyone? :)

So once again, my apologies for unknowingly starting a contentious thread. It 
was certainly not my intention.

I wish you all a wonderful weekend and to those who are interested in Forza, 
happy racing! :)

Cheers!

Cara





> On Nov 10, 2023, at 12:49 PM, Charles Rivard  wrote:
> 
> Who are the rats?  (ornery grin)
>  
> When you think you’re finished, You! Are! Finished!
>  
> From: Peter Donahue 
> Sent: Friday, November 10, 2023 12:39 PM
> To: blind-gamers@groups.io 
> Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] games that are on xbox and pc can people please 
> give links?
>  
> Hello Matt and everyone,
>  
> This is another example of what I call the referral rat race.
>  
> Peter Donahue
>  
>  
>  
> From: blind-gamers@groups.io  On Behalf Of Matthew 
> Chao via groups.io
> Sent: Friday, November 10, 2023 8:53 AM
> To: blind-gamers@groups.io
> Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] games that are on xbox and pc can people please 
> give links?
>  
> Hi, Charles.  Totally agree.  How many times have we followed multiple Google 
> links, only to find that they weren't what we were looking for.  Frankly, 
> that's truly a waste of time.--Matthew Chao
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> On 11/10/2023 9:47 AM, Charles Rivard wrote:
> Marta’s message was, in my opinion, offensive.  Employment status has nothing 
> to do with it.  We’re not asking for a huge and complete list of links.  It 
> might be a bit overwhelming to some people when they find 6,875 results, most 
> of which aren’t what you’re looking for.  Also, answering a question with the 
> results asked for is not spoon feeding.  It is directly helping.  Merely 
> telling someone to Google it is the lazy way.  If you’re too busy to provide 
> a link, skip it rather than sending an insult.  If you’re too buty to answer, 
> you’re too busy.  Manage your time better.
>  
> When you think you’re finished, You! Are! Finished!
>  
> From: Tyler Wood 
> Sent: Friday, November 10, 2023 1:29 AM
> To: blind-gamers@groups.io 
> Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] games that are on xbox and pc can people please 
> give links?
>  
> Ironic - a message containing 2 words that does absolutely nothing to help 
> anyone in this thread or anyone reading it, but yet we’re complaining about 
> cluttering up the list asking for links.
> I agree that research could be done. Far too many people just want the direct 
> link to something. I feel like internet searches should be the basic thing 
> people learn when they browse the internet  so they can answer their own 
> question. On the other side of that, people here are probably used to obscure 
> websites and don’t realize that this is not the same as an audio game. You 
> don’t have to know the exact link. Still, though, really, I think doing a 
> quick search before asking this question would net you the result you seek.
>  
> On the other side of that coin, I don’t think pointing fingers at someone’s 
> employment status or lack thereof was at all necessary or respectful in any 
> way as it applies to doing a search, laziness, or any of that nonsense. The 
> fact that it was a long drawn out message complaining about how you work when 
> grabbing the link would have taken less time, lol. The irony is real on both 
> sides here and I hope I’m not the only one who sees this for what it is.
>  
> Yes, use your search engine of choice. If asked for the 

[blind-gamers] Forza Motorsport Racing Club

[Cara Quinn]

Hi All,

Hope everyone is having a wonderful day / evening!

I’m trying to gage how much interest there would be for a weekly get-together 
for chat and racing in Forza Motorsport?

For now, I’ve set up a Discord server with general text and voice chat channels 
as well as a Forza Motorsport Racing Club channel. So I’m wondering if anyone 
here may be interested in meeting perhaps once a week to race with others or 
chat about all things Forza or accessible driving in general?

If anyone is interested in this sort of thing, the server link is:

https://discord.com/invite/e5YHAyXY

There’s nothing going on just yet as I am still working out a time and day but 
I am very much open to suggestions so we can make this available to as many 
folks as would like.

Of course, anyone is certainly welcome to join the server regardless for 
general chat but as I said, right now it’s super quiet. So just be prepared. :)

thanks a bunch All and perhaps we can catch up soon!

Cheers!

Cara







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Re: [blind-gamers] Forza Motorsports Driver's Ed for the Blind and Visually impaired

[Cara Quinn]

Thanks Mich, nice video!

Cheers!

Cara





> On Oct 10, 2023, at 6:49 AM, Mich Verrier  wrote:
> 
> Hi I thought you guys would find this helpful.
> https://youtu.be/mZfmexZ-sp8?si=eZc1P0xGiZjGK8zS
>  
>  
>  
> From Mich.
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Re: [blind-gamers] Forza Motorsport - Painting a car

[Cara Quinn]

Hi again All,

Just replying to myself here to update a couple of things I said in my last 
note.

Also, thanks for your replies so far. Glad this is helpful! :)

Ok, so in my last note, I said that when you choose a car by pressing the A 
button, you will see a Paint Car option. I missed a menu. My apologies. You’ll 
actually see a designs and paint option which you would click on first. Then 
you will see the Paint Car option. From there, everything is like I mentioned 
in my note. So hopefully this helps.

I also found a new feature that I hadn’t seen before.

when you’re on the screen where you can choose paint colors, and your on the 
Normal Colors tab, if you select a color there with the D-Pad and press the X 
button, you will actually bring up the specific settings for that color. So you 
would see Hue, Saturation and Brightness with all of the settings for the color 
you have selected. For example, if you select Yellow with D-Pad left / right 
and set a saturation with D-Pad up / down, and press X, you will see something 
like Hue 16, Saturation 100 and Brightness 52, depending on the specific 
saturation value you just set. Hope this makes sense. It’s way easier than it 
sounds. :)

This is very cool for finding a specific spoken color and being able to make 
slight adjustments to it without sighted assistance.

I was super happy to find this! :)

Anyway, hope this helps and I’ll write again when / if I find more features. :)

Have a terrific day / evening!


Cheers!

Cara





> On Oct 9, 2023, at 1:17 PM, Cara Quinn  wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> Hope everyone is awesome!
> 
> For those who may be interested, I wanted to discuss painting your cars, 
> since it is accessible to a large degree in the new Forza Motorsport.
> 
> I know this won’t be for everyone but I thought there may be some folks here 
> (like myself) who might enjoy doing this so I thought I would detail the 
> process here. Just as a note, this is a pretty long email so if you’re not 
> interested, you may wish to skip this one. :)
> 
> There are actually two ways of painting a car; when you buy the car and also 
> when / if you would like to re-paint a car you’ve already purchased.
> 
> First off, when you purchase a car in the game, you will come to a screen 
> which has a few tabs on it. By default, you will be in the Manufacturer 
> Colors tab. There are three other tabs on this page which you can get to, 
> using the left / right shoulder buttons on the controller. These tabs are 
> actually spoken but it was not obvious to me at first that they were there, 
> without first exploring the screen using the shoulder buttons so I thought I 
> would save others the trouble. :)
> 
> These tabs in order from left to right, are:
> 
> Normal Colors
> 
> Manufacturer Colors
> 
> Special Colors
> 
> Previous Colors
> 
> The good news is that all of the options in all of these tabs are spoken or 
> indicated by sound. The better news is that Both the Normal Colors and 
> Special Colors menus allow us to completely and accessibly customize a given 
> selected color. So this is more accessibility than I’ve ever seen for car 
> design in a main-stream game like this.
> 
> From what I’ve seen so far, the very first option to the left in each tab, is 
> what ever the current car color is. This option is not spoken but you will 
> hear the click when you select it and as I’ve said, it is the option all the 
> way to the left. So each menu in each of the four tabs above will have this 
> option.
> 
> I’ll describe each menu in detail below, eliminating this left-most option.
> 
> When in the Normal Colors menu, you will have a list of colors from left to 
> right, which are all spoken, along with their saturation values. You can move 
> from color to color using the D-Pad left and right. If you’d like to change 
> the saturation (or intensity) of a color, simply use D-Pad up or down and the 
> saturation level will be spoken. This scale goes from 0 to 9. 0 is basically 
> white and 9 is the most intense version of the selected color possible.
> 
> to paint your car in the selected color, simply press the A button. It just 
> doesn’t get much easier! lol! :)
> 
> If you want to choose another color, just select one and adjust it the way 
> you like.
> 
> Once you’ve pressed the A button to apply the paint to your car, I believe 
> the View button will give you save options or you will also be asked to save 
> your work if you try to leave the menu.
> 
> I’m going to skip ahead now to the Special Colors menu, and I’ll explain why 
> later.
> 
> This menu is also laid out from left to right, and shows a list of colors you 
> can move through, using D-Pad left and right.
> 
> A lot of these colors are obvious from the spoken d

[blind-gamers] Forza Motorsport - Painting a car

[Cara Quinn]

Hi All,

Hope everyone is awesome!

For those who may be interested, I wanted to discuss painting your cars, since 
it is accessible to a large degree in the new Forza Motorsport.

I know this won’t be for everyone but I thought there may be some folks here 
(like myself) who might enjoy doing this so I thought I would detail the 
process here. Just as a note, this is a pretty long email so if you’re not 
interested, you may wish to skip this one. :)

There are actually two ways of painting a car; when you buy the car and also 
when / if you would like to re-paint a car you’ve already purchased.

First off, when you purchase a car in the game, you will come to a screen which 
has a few tabs on it. By default, you will be in the Manufacturer Colors tab. 
There are three other tabs on this page which you can get to, using the left / 
right shoulder buttons on the controller. These tabs are actually spoken but it 
was not obvious to me at first that they were there, without first exploring 
the screen using the shoulder buttons so I thought I would save others the 
trouble. :)

These tabs in order from left to right, are:

Normal Colors

Manufacturer Colors

Special Colors

Previous Colors

The good news is that all of the options in all of these tabs are spoken or 
indicated by sound. The better news is that Both the Normal Colors and Special 
Colors menus allow us to completely and accessibly customize a given selected 
color. So this is more accessibility than I’ve ever seen for car design in a 
main-stream game like this.

>From what I’ve seen so far, the very first option to the left in each tab, is 
>what ever the current car color is. This option is not spoken but you will 
>hear the click when you select it and as I’ve said, it is the option all the 
>way to the left. So each menu in each of the four tabs above will have this 
>option.

I’ll describe each menu in detail below, eliminating this left-most option.

When in the Normal Colors menu, you will have a list of colors from left to 
right, which are all spoken, along with their saturation values. You can move 
from color to color using the D-Pad left and right. If you’d like to change the 
saturation (or intensity) of a color, simply use D-Pad up or down and the 
saturation level will be spoken. This scale goes from 0 to 9. 0 is basically 
white and 9 is the most intense version of the selected color possible.

to paint your car in the selected color, simply press the A button. It just 
doesn’t get much easier! lol! :)

If you want to choose another color, just select one and adjust it the way you 
like.

Once you’ve pressed the A button to apply the paint to your car, I believe the 
View button will give you save options or you will also be asked to save your 
work if you try to leave the menu.

I’m going to skip ahead now to the Special Colors menu, and I’ll explain why 
later.

This menu is also laid out from left to right, and shows a list of colors you 
can move through, using D-Pad left and right.

A lot of these colors are obvious from the spoken description and are simple to 
apply to your car just by selecting a color and pressing the A button as above.

However, a few others are not. So I’ll describe these below.

The first few options on the left of this menu show paint types such as Mat and 
Semi-Gloss. You’ll notice though, that no color is described. This is because 
these are types of paint rather than actual colors. So these can be any color.

You choose these colors by changing the hue, saturation and brightness. The X 
button should get you into this menu. I say should because some of the colors 
in this Special Colors tab have other options, which I will discuss a little 
further below.

Anyway, for now, pressing the X button will allow you to create a color using 
your D-Pad.

D-Pad up and down will switch between Hue, Saturation and Brightness. D-Pad 
left and right will change the value for each of these parameters. All of this 
is spoken and you will see a number for each parameter. So you might hear, Hue, 
42., which would be somewhere between green and yellow. I.E. something close to 
Chartreuse.

Essentially, 0 would be red, and 100 would be Violet or purple. I’ll need to 
look at this again as they might allow us to go all the way up to white or 
chrome in this parameter but usually this scale goes from red to violet. So you 
would be moving through the rainbow going from red, to orange, to yellow, to 
green, through blue and indigo and then finally to violet.

the scale may not be even but essentially this is how you would work with hue.

The Saturation and Brightness parameters work together. As mentioned before, 
the saturation is like the intensity of a color, so what ever color you create 
with the hue, you then set its intensity using saturation. As before, 0 is the 
least intense color and 100 is the most.

The brightness also goes from 0 to 100 and represents essentially how much 
light the color reflects. So 

Re: [blind-gamers] question to those who might have or know of the PS 5 Disk Eddition. does the screen reader support extend to the playing of blue ray disks?

[Cara Quinn]

Hi Mich,

Sorry for the delay in getting back with you on this.

I meant to email you and the list a few days ago. I did try the PS 5’s blueray 
player and while it is workable, the workflow is anything but friendly in my 
opinion.

Also, I haven’t yet figured out how to switch audio tracks for something like 
audio descriptions.

The actual blueray menu for the disc is not read by the PS 5 screen reader but 
you can play a disc and move through tracks etc.

I will be doing a bit more with this this week and also comparing it with the 
player on the XBox X to see which one is more accessible.

I also want to try a few other discs so I have more to share.

I hope this helps for now. Sorry I don’t have better news as yet.

Have a great evening and will get back with you and the list again soon when I 
have more to share.

Cheers!

Cara





> On Aug 22, 2023, at 3:33 PM, Mich Verrier  wrote:
> 
> Hi all I was just wondering I know that the ps 5 disk edition consul includes 
> a built in screen reader and that it is a blue ray disk player. . My question 
> for those who Might have the console on this list is does the screen reader 
> support extend  to playing blue ray disk movies as wellas games? What I meen 
> is if I wanted to play a blue ray disk that has a AD Track would I be able to 
> get to this info independently with out sighted help? Many thanks. I am 
> asking since I am trying to save up for one of these consels to play the 
> different games that we as blind people can play. Also for those who are 
> interested hear’s the newest link to the can I play that news letter that 
> includes blind news about the newest spider man game.
> https://us17.campaign-archive.com/?e=f93aa6a04b=f5541cd47322933b1d6a31cb2=1062c9b360
> from Mich.
>  
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Re: [blind-gamers] Apple Arcade

[Cara Quinn]

Hi Jessica,

Yes, that’s the one. :)

Thanks very much for posting.

Have a great day!

Cheers!

Cara





> On Aug 5, 2023, at 11:54 PM, Jessica Hodges  wrote:
> 
> I'm also curious if anyone finds any interesting gems, but I believe the 
> literary game referred to is Dear Reader: 
> https://apps.apple.com/us/app/dear-reader/id1470280172
> 
> 
> 
> On 8/6/2023 12:39 AM, Cara Quinn wrote:
>> Hi Peter,
>> 
>> the last time I checked Apple Arcade was at least a year ago so I will need 
>> to look again.
>> 
>> At that time though, there may have been like one game that had some 
>> accessibility. It was a literary game of some sort and I will need to look 
>> up it’s name.
>> 
>> I’ll look again in general though to see if I can find any more games that 
>> look good now.
>> 
>> Cheers!
>> 
>> Cara
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 5, 2023, at 8:19 PM, Peter Donahue  
>>> <mailto:pdonah...@satx.rr.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Good evening everyone,
>>>  
>>> Since we own an Apple TV and may consider buying a Mac 
>>> later on we’re wanting to know if anyone has found accessible games on 
>>> Apple Arcade. Here again we asked about this platform previously without 
>>> response. Game suggestions including Jeopardy on Apple Arcade would be very 
>>> much appreciated.
>>>  
>>> Peter Donahue
>>>  
>>>  
>> 
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Re: [blind-gamers] Apple Arcade

[Cara Quinn]

Hi Peter,

the last time I checked Apple Arcade was at least a year ago so I will need to 
look again.

At that time though, there may have been like one game that had some 
accessibility. It was a literary game of some sort and I will need to look up 
it’s name.

I’ll look again in general though to see if I can find any more games that look 
good now.

Cheers!

Cara





> On Aug 5, 2023, at 8:19 PM, Peter Donahue  wrote:
> 
> Good evening everyone,
>  
> Since we own an Apple TV and may consider buying a Mac later 
> on we’re wanting to know if anyone has found accessible games on Apple 
> Arcade. Here again we asked about this platform previously without response. 
> Game suggestions including Jeopardy on Apple Arcade would be very much 
> appreciated.
>  
> Peter Donahue
>  
>  
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Re: [blind-gamers] God of War: Ragnarok?

[Cara Quinn]

I have it through a bundle but have not played it.

I’ll try to give it a look in the next few days to at least see what I find.

have an awesome evening / weekend!

Cheers!

Cara





> On Aug 5, 2023, at 7:50 PM, Tobias Vinteus  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> Has anyone been playing Ragnarok: God of War? I’m curious for any 
> accessibiblity impressions people may have regarding said title, especially 
> with regards to how playable it is to a totally blind person. The youtuber 
> Steve Saylor did an accessibility Review indicating that the game might be 
> winnable by a blind eprson, which does seem promising.
>  
> Thanks,
> Tobias
>  
>  
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Re: Tips about Forza Horizon 5 -was- Re: [blind-gamers] I have another question witch epople have found better x box? or ps 5?

[Cara Quinn]

Hi Joshua,

On your way to race events, you should also come across stories as well.

So you can progress in the game that way.

It’s also possible to access some of the stories through one of the menus that 
does not speak, but I can’t remember which one it is just at the minute. -My 
apologies.

I’ll see if I can find it tomorrow.

Have a great night, Joshua, and apologies that I can’t be of more help just now.

Cheers!

Cara





> On Aug 5, 2023, at 10:42 PM, Joshua Tubbs  wrote:
> 
> Hmm. I hope the race events lead to progress in the story though? Or are 
> accolades required as well?
> I have that accessibility option to bypass difficult challenges, can't 
> remember the exact option offhand.
> 
> 
> On Sat, Aug 5, 2023 at 7:55 PM Cara Quinn  <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com>> wrote:
>> Hi Joshua,
>> 
>> You might try the tip I mentioned about just picking a random direction on 
>> the map and clicking anywhere to set a route.
>> 
>> Once you get there, you can try Anna again from there. Since it will be 
>> further away from your earlier location, she may not route you back to the 
>> same event.
>> 
>> Also, make sure you’re choosing race events and not accolades. This makes a 
>> big difference.
>> 
>> Hope this helps and please do let us know.
>> 
>> If I can suggest anything else, I sure will.
>> 
>> Best of luck!
>> 
>> Cheers!
>> 
>> Cara
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 5, 2023, at 11:45 AM, Joshua Tubbs >> <mailto:orin8...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> The issue I'm having with Anna now is that I can't seem to continue the 
>>> story event I started. Whichever race I'm close to she keeps leading me 
>>> back to it, and it's the Wing on a Prayre showcase.
>>> 
>>> I wish she'd stop bringing me back to that.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sat, Aug 5, 2023 at 7:36 AM Lenron >> <mailto:lenro...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> Thanks so much for this info Cara, will put some of this into practice
>>>> this weekend. I did do the wing on  a prayer event. Then I was given
>>>> the option to do 2 other events. I tried to do one of those then for
>>>> some weird reason I keep passing up the spot Anna is telling me to
>>>> stop. I can't wait until I unlock access to her with using the d pad I
>>>> am sure that will help. I did sort of notice how you can hear where
>>>> there is something you can go to on the map by this little ding noise
>>>> that maybe could have been a little louder. I have to agree if they
>>>> would have talked to someone about accessibility or blind
>>>> accessibility when working on this game they would have gotten things
>>>> right. Narrator seems to talk way too much when reading menu items but
>>>> doesn't read enough of the menus. When trying to play on pc I can see
>>>> certain things with OCR, but not enough to really help. This is using
>>>> NVDA by the way. I am also thinking about getting a wheel for the
>>>> Xbox, especially because motorsport will be out in a couple months. I
>>>> am going to try your trick for getting to the beach and see if it
>>>> works out for me. Have you been able to collect any really cool cars?
>>>> 
>>>> On 8/4/23, Cara Quinn >>> <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com>> wrote:
>>>> > Hi again, just a quick update:
>>>> >
>>>> > Regarding when characters are talking about stories or giving you 
>>>> > choices of
>>>> > events to go to, In the case of a choice, pressing A should set a route 
>>>> > to
>>>> > the first choice.
>>>> >
>>>> > In the case of a story, if the character isn’t giving you a choice then 
>>>> > I’ve
>>>> > found that they usually set a route for you automatically. So you should 
>>>> > not
>>>> > press A at that point and just try driving. You should find that Anna 
>>>> > will
>>>> > be guiding you.
>>>> >
>>>> > Again, it’s not friendly and it would have been so simple to implement 
>>>> > fixes
>>>> > for this sort of thing but I hope these tips help and don’t cause more
>>>> > confusion. :)
>>>> >
>>>> > I found a lot of this by just trial and error.
>>>> >
>>>> > Hope this helps at least somewhat. :)
>>>> >
>>>> >

Re: Tips about Forza Horizon 5 -was- Re: [blind-gamers] I have another question witch epople have found better x box? or ps 5?

[Cara Quinn]

Hi Joshua,

You might try the tip I mentioned about just picking a random direction on the 
map and clicking anywhere to set a route.

Once you get there, you can try Anna again from there. Since it will be further 
away from your earlier location, she may not route you back to the same event.

Also, make sure you’re choosing race events and not accolades. This makes a big 
difference.

Hope this helps and please do let us know.

If I can suggest anything else, I sure will.

Best of luck!

Cheers!

Cara





> On Aug 5, 2023, at 11:45 AM, Joshua Tubbs  wrote:
> 
> The issue I'm having with Anna now is that I can't seem to continue the story 
> event I started. Whichever race I'm close to she keeps leading me back to it, 
> and it's the Wing on a Prayre showcase.
> 
> I wish she'd stop bringing me back to that.
> 
> 
> On Sat, Aug 5, 2023 at 7:36 AM Lenron  <mailto:lenro...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> Thanks so much for this info Cara, will put some of this into practice
>> this weekend. I did do the wing on  a prayer event. Then I was given
>> the option to do 2 other events. I tried to do one of those then for
>> some weird reason I keep passing up the spot Anna is telling me to
>> stop. I can't wait until I unlock access to her with using the d pad I
>> am sure that will help. I did sort of notice how you can hear where
>> there is something you can go to on the map by this little ding noise
>> that maybe could have been a little louder. I have to agree if they
>> would have talked to someone about accessibility or blind
>> accessibility when working on this game they would have gotten things
>> right. Narrator seems to talk way too much when reading menu items but
>> doesn't read enough of the menus. When trying to play on pc I can see
>> certain things with OCR, but not enough to really help. This is using
>> NVDA by the way. I am also thinking about getting a wheel for the
>> Xbox, especially because motorsport will be out in a couple months. I
>> am going to try your trick for getting to the beach and see if it
>> works out for me. Have you been able to collect any really cool cars?
>> 
>> On 8/4/23, Cara Quinn > <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com>> wrote:
>> > Hi again, just a quick update:
>> >
>> > Regarding when characters are talking about stories or giving you choices 
>> > of
>> > events to go to, In the case of a choice, pressing A should set a route to
>> > the first choice.
>> >
>> > In the case of a story, if the character isn’t giving you a choice then 
>> > I’ve
>> > found that they usually set a route for you automatically. So you should 
>> > not
>> > press A at that point and just try driving. You should find that Anna will
>> > be guiding you.
>> >
>> > Again, it’s not friendly and it would have been so simple to implement 
>> > fixes
>> > for this sort of thing but I hope these tips help and don’t cause more
>> > confusion. :)
>> >
>> > I found a lot of this by just trial and error.
>> >
>> > Hope this helps at least somewhat. :)
>> >
>> > Cheers!
>> >
>> > Cara
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >> On Aug 4, 2023, at 3:55 PM, Cara Quinn > >> <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hey Lenron,
>> >>
>> >> Sorry for the delay. It’s been a busy day! :)
>> >>
>> >> I’ll need to go back in the list archives and see what I sent along a few
>> >> months back. It’s been a while since I went through the initial parts of
>> >> the game but if you can let me know where you left off, that will be
>> >> helpful.
>> >>
>> >> What I can say is that I believe the major sticking point in the beginning
>> >> of the game is that you need to get to the first Showcase event which is
>> >> called “On a Wing and a Prayer” and you’re not automatically routed there.
>> >> More specifically, I think you can start with other races as well, but
>> >> you’re just not given an automatic route to start. There are ways around
>> >> this though.
>> >>
>> >> I was actually able to do it myself by accident. It was really not clear
>> >> to me what needed to be done at that point in the game but I was able to
>> >> find the pin on the map and just pressed the A button to set a route to
>> >> the On a Wing and a Prayer showcase event. If you do by chance have
>> >> sighted help, the symbol

Re: Tips about Forza Horizon 5 -was- Re: [blind-gamers] I have another question witch epople have found better x box? or ps 5?

[Cara Quinn]

Hey Lenron,

Please let us know how those tips work out for you.

I’ve been sick this week so my voice is weak, but if I can do a reasonable 
audio demo for some of this at some point, I sure will.

Regarding the destinations, yeah, it’s really a pain that Anna does not offer 
more notice (or any notice) at times when approaching a destination.

When you overshoot one, if you can stop and reverse, you’ll most likely be able 
to get back to it as long as you haven’t gone speeding past it like a maniac or 
went off the road etc! lol! I only say this as I’m plenty guilty of it 
sometimes! :)

If you drive like a normal human being you should have no problem at all 
braking and reversing to get back to the route destination.

Hope this works for you.

As far as cars go, yes, I’ve collected quite a few over the months I’ve been 
playing. I’ve also upgraded some of them which is accessible if you do the 
auto-upgrades that are offered. Unfortunately, custom tunings are not.

While the message center is not accessible per se, you can collect daily 
pay-outs and gifts there without sighted help. So I’ve gotten plenty of cars 
from there as well. I’ll try to demo this in future.

I’ve also purchased some from the auto show which is also doable without sight. 
You can’t see what liveries you’re choosing when you purchase the car, but you 
can always change that out when you do have sighted help. You can certainly 
purchase cars independently though.

One of the cooler cars in the game is the Koenigsegg 2020 Jesko which I 
purchased from the auto show.

Right now though, I am mostly driving the Mercedes AMG 1 which I purchased from 
the auction house. I did need sighted assistance to purchase it because the 
auction house is not accessible.

It certainly is frustrating, as you say, how much of the game is inaccessible 
when so much of it is quite well-done considering that it is a mainstream game. 
If there was just a consistent channel to folks at the company that could 
really be used for honest and constructive feedback, it would really be great!

I’ve written to them myself, but alas, have not heard back. Go figure. :)

Anyway, have a lovely evening / weekend! Hope the tips are working out for you.

Cheers!

Cara





> On Aug 5, 2023, at 5:35 AM, Lenron  wrote:
> 
> Thanks so much for this info Cara, will put some of this into practice
> this weekend. I did do the wing on  a prayer event. Then I was given
> the option to do 2 other events. I tried to do one of those then for
> some weird reason I keep passing up the spot Anna is telling me to
> stop. I can't wait until I unlock access to her with using the d pad I
> am sure that will help. I did sort of notice how you can hear where
> there is something you can go to on the map by this little ding noise
> that maybe could have been a little louder. I have to agree if they
> would have talked to someone about accessibility or blind
> accessibility when working on this game they would have gotten things
> right. Narrator seems to talk way too much when reading menu items but
> doesn't read enough of the menus. When trying to play on pc I can see
> certain things with OCR, but not enough to really help. This is using
> NVDA by the way. I am also thinking about getting a wheel for the
> Xbox, especially because motorsport will be out in a couple months. I
> am going to try your trick for getting to the beach and see if it
> works out for me. Have you been able to collect any really cool cars?
> 
> On 8/4/23, Cara Quinn  wrote:
>> Hi again, just a quick update:
>> 
>> Regarding when characters are talking about stories or giving you choices of
>> events to go to, In the case of a choice, pressing A should set a route to
>> the first choice.
>> 
>> In the case of a story, if the character isn’t giving you a choice then I’ve
>> found that they usually set a route for you automatically. So you should not
>> press A at that point and just try driving. You should find that Anna will
>> be guiding you.
>> 
>> Again, it’s not friendly and it would have been so simple to implement fixes
>> for this sort of thing but I hope these tips help and don’t cause more
>> confusion. :)
>> 
>> I found a lot of this by just trial and error.
>> 
>> Hope this helps at least somewhat. :)
>> 
>> Cheers!
>> 
>> Cara
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 4, 2023, at 3:55 PM, Cara Quinn  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hey Lenron,
>>> 
>>> Sorry for the delay. It’s been a busy day! :)
>>> 
>>> I’ll need to go back in the list archives and see what I sent along a few
>>> months back. It’s been a while since I went through the initial parts of
>>> the game but if you can let me know where you left off, that

Re: [blind-gamers] XBox and Company

[Cara Quinn]

Hi Peter,

Unfortunately, this is an issue across the board. Accessibility on consoles is 
still just hit and miss at this point in my opinion.

While the digital culture holds up accessibility for all as a nice talking 
point, there is critical logic in the development processes of each company 
that is usually lacking in some way. There are exceptions, such as Apple, but 
even then, there are failures.

-And, Microsoft as you mention has great accessibility but fails when it comes 
to other critical areas in games or apps that do not work with Narrator or are 
only partially accessible.

this also gets back to the way the term accessible is used, I feel.

It’s wonderful to see accessibility even as a prominent talking point now, but 
it also does not yet really always mean accessibility for all. So it’s kind of 
an oxymoron at times. lol! -Know what I mean?

Accessibility is a big term. For example, I’m really keyed into my own 
disability and what needs to happen in certain circumstances to make things 
accessible in regard to it, but I need to step out of that to take into 
account, other disabilities as well. So it takes work on my part to promote as 
much inclusivity as possible in the work that I do. So developers really need 
to take initiative to be thoughtful and considerate and really learn about 
their customers’ needs in the design process and follow through with that in 
development and testing.

It’s not always easy, and inspiration goes a long way to getting developers 
interested in what they can do and letting them realize that these are not 
necessarily insurmountable hurtles. There are a lot of tools out there and 
sometimes it just takes making developers aware that true accessibility is 
possible without breaking the bank. :)

Sometimes, a coder might be very inspired to help but they may feel that they 
themselves know the absolute best way that something should be done. this as we 
all have seen, can go super horribly. So it’s important to encourage good, 
positive dialogue and keep that inspiration alive and help guide them at the 
same time.

Anyway, enough from me! lol! You all already know this. :)

I’ll get off my soap box now. :)


thanks for reading and have a great weekend!

Cheers!

Cara





> On Aug 3, 2023, at 5:48 PM, Peter Donahue  wrote:
> 
> Good evening everyone,
>  
> More work needs to be done to improve the accessibility of 
> apps and games on the Xbox. I’ve tried to find accessible games and 
> repeatedly asked on this list for suggestions but got no where.
>  
> Another issue is the failure of Microsoft and app developers 
> to work together to insure that their apps work with Narrator. You Tube TV is 
> one such App that will not speak at all even when Narrator is enabled. 
> Spectrum TV, You Tube, Max, Fox Nation, and other apps that work very well on 
> other platforms and devices won’t work on the Xbox with Narrator. This is 
> something Microsoft needs to get serious about and demand that developers of 
> the above-mentioned apps partner to enable their products to function with 
> Narrator. The same also goes for developers of Games for the Xbox. Here’s 
> hoping users of other gaming consoles aren’t having this trouble. All the 
> best.
>  
> Peter Donahue
>  
>  
>  
> From: blind-gamers@groups.io <mailto:blind-gamers@groups.io> 
> mailto:blind-gamers@groups.io>> On Behalf Of Cara 
> Quinn
> Sent: Thursday, August 3, 2023 6:08 PM
> To: mi...@eastlink.ca <mailto:mi...@eastlink.ca>
> Cc: Cara Quinn mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com>>; 
> blind-gamers@groups.io <mailto:blind-gamers@groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] I have another question witch epople have found 
> better x box? or ps 5?
>  
> Mich,
>  
> Just my opinion, but if PS-5 is what you’re after, you really don’t need the 
> built-in drive unless you either have older PS games that you’d like to 
> import or if you want to play movies like you mentioned.
>  
> I’ll revisit the Blu-ray player to see if everything is accessible on it. I 
> tried it when I got the console but at the time I was not completely familiar 
> with navigating it with the controller so I will need to look at it again. I 
> will let you know what I find.
>  
> Regarding X-Box, you can set it up independently from what I remember. If I 
> remember correctly, the keystroke to turn on Narrator works right out of the 
> box so it’s really no biggie.
>  
> From what I can remember, I actually think I had an easier time setting up 
> the X-Box than I did with the PS-5 but that’s just me. :) Your milage may 
> vary.
>  
> Anyway, have a great evening and best of luck with what you decide. Will 
> write when I have more info.
>  
> Cheers!
>  
> Cara
>  
>  
>  
> 
> 
> 
&g

Re: Tips about Forza Horizon 5 -was- Re: [blind-gamers] I have another question witch epople have found better x box? or ps 5?

[Cara Quinn]

Hi again, just a quick update:

Regarding when characters are talking about stories or giving you choices of 
events to go to, In the case of a choice, pressing A should set a route to the 
first choice.

In the case of a story, if the character isn’t giving you a choice then I’ve 
found that they usually set a route for you automatically. So you should not 
press A at that point and just try driving. You should find that Anna will be 
guiding you.

Again, it’s not friendly and it would have been so simple to implement fixes 
for this sort of thing but I hope these tips help and don’t cause more 
confusion. :)

I found a lot of this by just trial and error.

Hope this helps at least somewhat. :)

Cheers!

Cara





> On Aug 4, 2023, at 3:55 PM, Cara Quinn  wrote:
> 
> Hey Lenron,
> 
> Sorry for the delay. It’s been a busy day! :)
> 
> I’ll need to go back in the list archives and see what I sent along a few 
> months back. It’s been a while since I went through the initial parts of the 
> game but if you can let me know where you left off, that will be helpful.
> 
> What I can say is that I believe the major sticking point in the beginning of 
> the game is that you need to get to the first Showcase event which is called 
> “On a Wing and a Prayer” and you’re not automatically routed there. More 
> specifically, I think you can start with other races as well, but you’re just 
> not given an automatic route to start. There are ways around this though.
> 
> I was actually able to do it myself by accident. It was really not clear to 
> me what needed to be done at that point in the game but I was able to find 
> the pin on the map and just pressed the A button to set a route to the On a 
> Wing and a Prayer showcase event. If you do by chance have sighted help, the 
> symbol for it is an airplane.
> 
> I didn’t know where I was going but I did know that I was going somewhere! 
> lol!
> 
> From what I remember, (and someone else may be able to correct me here) if 
> you can locate that event on the map and complete it, you should have an 
> easier time as it will not only open up more events and races on the map, but 
> will also allow you to be routed to stories automatically.
> 
> When you hear one of the characters talking about a story or choice of races 
> for example, if you just press A without doing anything else, you should 
> automatically be routed to the first choice. You can then progress in the 
> game that way.
> 
> Until you can unlock the ability to just use the D-Pad to activate Anna for 
> certain parts of the game, the game will not be super friendly but will 
> absolutely be doable. It’s definitely not frustration-free and I really wish 
> they would have had someone knowledgeable to consult with for this. -Or at 
> least if they were able to do any kinds of updates to the accessibility 
> systems to assist with the map, this would go a long way to making this a lot 
> more fun to get started with.
> 
> There are a few tips to keep in mind when using the map.
> 
> 1 you can move around the map either by using the left stick or the D-Pad. I 
> prefer the D-Pad as I am guaranteed a straight line as I’m moving.
> 
> 2 You can zoom in or out on the map with the right and left triggers, 
> respectively. This may make it easier to select pins.
> 
> 3 You can filter the map elements by first pressing the right shoulder 
> button, then X, and finally A to clear all map elements. If you then use the 
> D-Pad to move up and down, you should see a list of map elements that you can 
> click on to show on the map. Once you show the map elements you want by 
> selecting them, you can then press B to get back to the map where those 
> elements will now be displayed.
> 
> 4 You can hear where pins are on the map. So when you hear one, you can 
> simply press A to be routed there. Anna Should then let you know that your 
> route is active and start giving you directions as you drive.
> 
> 5 If you happen to be on a route that you don’t want to be on, you can 
> usually cancel it by just opening the map and clicking A.
> 
> 6 You can set a route to anywhere at all on the map even if you do not hear a 
> pin. So this can at least get you started with driving. I’ll talk about this 
> more below.
> 
> For me, I located the first showcase event by using the D-Pad to move across 
> the map back and forth. If I remember correctly, you’re really not that far 
> away from the Wing and a Prayer showcase when you start, so it really only 
> took a few passes across the map for me to find the pin. I can’t remember if 
> it was north or south of me. but it wasn’t super far away, from what I can 
> remember. Don’t hold me to it though! :)
> 
> So for example, if I wanted to look for somethi

Re: [blind-gamers] Can I play that Weekley Roundup.

[Cara Quinn]

Mich, thanks for sending this!

I saw the post about Copilot. I absolutely cannot wait for this. This is a 
seriously great feature on X-Box and I’m super happy to see this coming to PS-5.

There are several games that I play with a friend on X-Box where this feature 
is a God-send. I even play Project Cars 2 and Forza Horizon 5 this way 
sometimes. When I’m not using autosteering on Forza and my friend would like to 
play also, he’ll steer and I’ll manage excelleration, braking and shifting. So 
it’s super fun! :)

This also works well for games which are accessible for certain things and not 
others, or where I may be better at some parts of a game and someone else may 
be better at another. It’s also just a lot of fun to play with someone. So very 
happy to see this!

Cheers!

Cara





> On Aug 4, 2023, at 1:46 PM, Mich Verrier  wrote:
> 
> Hi all I thought the list would be interested in the below.
>  
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> Catch up on the latest accessibility news and reviews from CIPT
>  
> Final Fantasy XVI accessibility review 
> 
> By Carlos Moscoso on Aug 04, 2023 12:17 pm
> 
> 
> Final Fantasy XVI's rings provide essential accessibility features, but it's 
> unfortunate to have those tied to in-game items.
> 
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> 
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> 
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> Firebird
>  releases with screen reader support 
> 
> By Marijn / ActiveB1t on Aug 03, 2023 02:03 pm
> 
> 
> Firebird by French indie studio Ludogram released on Steam with several 
> accessibility features including screen reader support.
> 
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>  5 beta update adds Copilot, UI haptics 
> 
> By Marijn / ActiveB1t on Jul 31, 2023 07:33 am
> 
> 
> A beta update for PlayStation 5 rolls out to testers and adds an 
> accessibility feature similar to Copilot and haptic feedback for system UI.
> 
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> 
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> 
> 
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Tips about Forza Horizon 5 -was- Re: [blind-gamers] I have another question witch epople have found better x box? or ps 5?

[Cara Quinn]

able to join these to progress in the game that way.

You can pretty much guarantee finding races like this if you choose a point 
really far away from where you are. When you open the map, you will be pointing 
at your position. So if you use the D-Pad and hold a direction, wait for a 
couple of seconds, and then press A, you should then have a pretty long route 
set and you should find several events that you can participate in along the 
way.

I still use this method to park at a place on the beach that I like.

I go to a particular race event and then just move the cursor all the way to 
the right on the map and set a route there. This gets me to a particular place 
on the beach on the east coast of the map.

I hope this helps for now. If you can give me any more details I may be able to 
be more specific.

I’ll see if I can find anything useful that I said on the list a few months 
back.

Best of luck!

Have a great weekend, and Happy Driving!

Cheers!

Cara





> On Aug 3, 2023, at 7:47 PM, Lenron  wrote:
> 
> Hey Cara can you please give some info on things I need to get passed
> in Forza Horizon 5? I haven't really been able to get started with
> that one. I noticed that if they could fixed the map and a few other
> sticking points we would be good to go. Some of the menus just don't
> speak at all. It's a shame Hogwarts Legacy isn't blind accessible. I
> really wanted to play this one. I really think we need to tap in more
> with devs and push for even more accessibility, or really start
> creating our own main stream games. That everyone else can play.
> Motorsport was the first time in a long time I pre-ordered a game. I
> wondere if anyone has been in touch with Ubisoft about making the crew
> motorfest blind accessible. The sounds for the cars in that game is
> amazing. It should be out in September.
> 
> 
> On 8/3/23, Cara Quinn  wrote:
>> Mich,
>> 
>> Just my opinion, but if PS-5 is what you’re after, you really don’t need the
>> built-in drive unless you either have older PS games that you’d like to
>> import or if you want to play movies like you mentioned.
>> 
>> I’ll revisit the Blu-ray player to see if everything is accessible on it. I
>> tried it when I got the console but at the time I was not completely
>> familiar with navigating it with the controller so I will need to look at it
>> again. I will let you know what I find.
>> 
>> Regarding X-Box, you can set it up independently from what I remember. If I
>> remember correctly, the keystroke to turn on Narrator works right out of the
>> box so it’s really no biggie.
>> 
>> From what I can remember, I actually think I had an easier time setting up
>> the X-Box than I did with the PS-5 but that’s just me. :) Your milage may
>> vary.
>> 
>> Anyway, have a great evening and best of luck with what you decide. Will
>> write when I have more info.
>> 
>> Cheers!
>> 
>> Cara
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 3, 2023, at 4:54 PM,  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Cara and all. Yes you bring up a verry good point. Accessibillidey is
>>> a verry Brod term and you almost have to divide the accessibillidey into
>>> the different disibillideys for instance madder skills, vi, blind, wheel
>>> chair etc. since what might be accessible to some one in a wheel chair
>>> might be pointless to play for those of us who have no sight or verry
>>> limmided sight. The same go’s for vi people who have some sight verses
>>> some one who has no sight things like couler contrast font size and other
>>> things don’t mean anything to those of us who have no sight. I have played
>>> audio games for years and I used to play my sisters Nintendo first when I
>>> had some sight up until I was 6. So I am just trying to play some more
>>> console games. Of korce I need to save up for a consul and the differences
>>> between x box and ps 5 and the 2 different ps 5’s that are out there is
>>> kindof overwhelming. That is why I am asking so many questions and trying
>>> to get as much info as I can. I have saved up just a small amount for the
>>> ps 5. I like that since I have seen vidiows of games using that that the
>>> screen reader starts right away as I have said and there is no need for
>>> sighted help when it comes to setting it up. I am sure the same is true of
>>> x box but just from looking around on YouTube I can’t find any vidiows
>>> that show narader in action on x box except if you count those that show
>>> you how to tern it off and on lol. From Mich.
>>> 
>>> From: blind-gamers@groups.io <mailto:blind-gamers@group

Re: [blind-gamers] I have another question witch epople have found better x box? or ps 5?

[Cara Quinn]

Mich,

Just my opinion, but if PS-5 is what you’re after, you really don’t need the 
built-in drive unless you either have older PS games that you’d like to import 
or if you want to play movies like you mentioned.

I’ll revisit the Blu-ray player to see if everything is accessible on it. I 
tried it when I got the console but at the time I was not completely familiar 
with navigating it with the controller so I will need to look at it again. I 
will let you know what I find.

Regarding X-Box, you can set it up independently from what I remember. If I 
remember correctly, the keystroke to turn on Narrator works right out of the 
box so it’s really no biggie.

>From what I can remember, I actually think I had an easier time setting up the 
>X-Box than I did with the PS-5 but that’s just me. :) Your milage may vary.

Anyway, have a great evening and best of luck with what you decide. Will write 
when I have more info.

Cheers!

Cara





> On Aug 3, 2023, at 4:54 PM,   wrote:
> 
> Hi Cara and all. Yes you bring up a verry good point. Accessibillidey is  a 
> verry Brod term and you almost have to divide the accessibillidey into the 
> different disibillideys for instance madder skills, vi, blind, wheel chair 
> etc. since what might be accessible to some one in a wheel chair might be 
> pointless to play for those of us who have no sight or verry limmided sight. 
> The same go’s for vi people who have some sight verses some one who has no 
> sight things like couler contrast font size and other things don’t mean 
> anything to those of us who have no sight. I have played audio games for 
> years and I used to play my sisters Nintendo first when I had some sight up 
> until I was 6. So I am just trying to play some more console games. Of korce 
> I need to save up for a consul and the differences between x box and ps 5 and 
> the 2 different ps 5’s that are out there is kindof overwhelming. That is why 
> I am asking so many questions and trying to get as much info as I can. I have 
> saved up just a small amount for the ps 5. I like that since I have seen 
> vidiows of games using that that the screen reader starts right away as I 
> have said and there is no need for sighted help when it comes to setting it 
> up. I am sure the same is true of x box but just from looking around on 
> YouTube I can’t find any vidiows that show narader in action on x box except 
> if you count those that show you how to tern it off and on lol. From Mich.
>  
> From: blind-gamers@groups.io <mailto:blind-gamers@groups.io> 
> mailto:blind-gamers@groups.io>> On Behalf Of Cara 
> Quinn
> Sent: August 3, 2023 5:32 PM
> To: mi...@eastlink.ca <mailto:mi...@eastlink.ca>
> Cc: Cara Quinn mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com>>; 
> blind-gamers@groups.io <mailto:blind-gamers@groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] I have another question witch epople have found 
> better x box? or ps 5?
>  
> Hi Mich,
>  
> I have no idea about the Spiderman games and I’m wondering about them myself.
>  
> I have not heard anything definitive on this which brings up a really 
> important point I think.
>  
> This has come up here before, but the concept of accessibility is kind of a 
> pain the way it is used when people are describing games.
>  
> For example, when I was looking up info on Hogwarts Legacy, it looked, for 
> all intents and purposes that the game could be played without sight but 
> that’s just not the case, unless I’m missing some really basic features 
> somewhere. :)
>  
> I can get through the menus and such but as I mentioned, the most basic 
> features of assisted navigation or having any kind of audio guides etc are 
> just not there. So I can’t find any way at present to really play the game 
> without assistance right from the start.
>  
> So calling this game accessible is a no go in my opinion.
>  
> Anyway, so far, from what I’ve read on the Spiderman games, I can’t find 
> anything that specifically says that it has features that would be necessary 
> or even helpful in actual game-play for someone playing without any sight at 
> all.
>  
> I’ll give the site you mentioned a look and see if I’ve missed anything 
> though. I’m very curious.
>  
> Thanks Mich, if I find out anything more about any of the games in this 
> thread, I’ll be sure to let you know.
>  
> Have a great day!
>  
> Cheers!
>  
> Cara
>  
>  
>  
> 
> 
> 
>> On Aug 3, 2023, at 2:57 PM, mailto:mi...@eastlink.ca>> 
>> mailto:mi...@eastlink.ca>> wrote:
>>  
>> Hello yes that does help. I have played the Vale on the pc and beet it and 
>> liked the game. I have not played any of the other games you menchend. Is it 
>> true that the spiderman games would be

Re: [blind-gamers] I have another question witch epople have found better x box? or ps 5?

[Cara Quinn]

Hi Mich,

I have no idea about the Spiderman games and I’m wondering about them myself.

I have not heard anything definitive on this which brings up a really important 
point I think.

This has come up here before, but the concept of accessibility is kind of a 
pain the way it is used when people are describing games.

For example, when I was looking up info on Hogwarts Legacy, it looked, for all 
intents and purposes that the game could be played without sight but that’s 
just not the case, unless I’m missing some really basic features somewhere. :)

I can get through the menus and such but as I mentioned, the most basic 
features of assisted navigation or having any kind of audio guides etc are just 
not there. So I can’t find any way at present to really play the game without 
assistance right from the start.

So calling this game accessible is a no go in my opinion.

Anyway, so far, from what I’ve read on the Spiderman games, I can’t find 
anything that specifically says that it has features that would be necessary or 
even helpful in actual game-play for someone playing without any sight at all.

I’ll give the site you mentioned a look and see if I’ve missed anything though. 
I’m very curious.

Thanks Mich, if I find out anything more about any of the games in this thread, 
I’ll be sure to let you know.

Have a great day!

Cheers!

Cara





> On Aug 3, 2023, at 2:57 PM,   wrote:
> 
> Hello yes that does help. I have played the Vale on the pc and beet it and 
> liked the game. I have not played any of the other games you menchend. Is it 
> true that the spiderman games would be pliable by those of us who are blind? 
> Since I red that on the websight caniplaythat.com <http://caniplaythat.com/> 
> from Mich.
>  
> From: blind-gamers@groups.io <mailto:blind-gamers@groups.io> 
> mailto:blind-gamers@groups.io>> On Behalf Of Cara 
> Quinn
> Sent: August 3, 2023 4:32 PM
> To: blind-gamers@groups.io <mailto:blind-gamers@groups.io>
> Cc: Cara Quinn mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com>>
> Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] I have another question witch epople have found 
> better x box? or ps 5?
>  
> also, on X-Box, there are The Vale - Shadow of the Crown, A Western Drama, 
> and Forza Horizon 5.
>  
> A Western Drama is fair at best, in my opinion, but is specifically designed 
> for blind folks.
>  
> I have The Vale - Shadow of the Crown, but have not gotten into it yet. I 
> believe it is also specifically designed to be played without sight, as it 
> has no graphics to speak of.
>  
> Forza Horizon 5 is my favorite game at the minute, (and it has been for some 
> time now) but I would say, is somewhat accessible. There are a few sticking 
> points in the game but once you get past them and learn how the game works, 
> you can certainly enjoy about 75 percent of it accessibly. It’s far from 
> perfect but It really is very good for a mainstream racing experience.
>  
> I’m also looking forward to the release of the next Forza Motorsport.
>  
> Regarding PS-5, Really, the only games I’ve found so far to be completely 
> accessible, are the Last of Us 1 and 2.
>  
> I’m also playing Hogwarts Legacy with a friend and while it is sort of 
> accessible in some ways, it lacks some crucial features for simple in-game 
> navigation which really make it close to impossible to play without sight.
>  
> Hogwarts Legacy is also available on X-Box but right now I’m only playing it 
> on PS-5. If I try it on X-Box and find that it’s any better, I will certainly 
> let y'all know.
>  
> I’m trying to research other truly blind-accessible games for PS-5 at the 
> minute as well, so I am also interested in other’s experiences with this.
>  
> Hope this helps and have a great day!
>  
> Cheers!
>  
> Cara
>  
>  
>  
> 
> 
> 
>> On Aug 3, 2023, at 5:59 AM, Lenron > <mailto:lenro...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>  
>> Diablo iv, forza motorsport will be comes out in a couple months. As
>> dusk falls. Are a few I can think of off the top of my head.
>> 
>> On 8/3/23, goshawk on horseback > <mailto:goshawk_on_horseb...@fastmail.co.uk>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I am still trying to find what accessible games, if there are any, are
>>> available for xbox, as that is what I have.
>>> 
>>> Simon
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  - Original Message -
>>>  From: Jen .
>>>  To: blind-gamers@groups.io <mailto:blind-gamers@groups.io>
>>>  Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2023 9:25 AM
>>>  Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] I have another question witch epople have
>>> found better x box? or ps 5?
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  What genres of games are available for both systems and what ver

Re: [blind-gamers] I have another question witch epople have found better x box? or ps 5?

[Cara Quinn]

also, on X-Box, there are The Vale - Shadow of the Crown, A Western Drama, and 
Forza Horizon 5.

A Western Drama is fair at best, in my opinion, but is specifically designed 
for blind folks.

I have The Vale - Shadow of the Crown, but have not gotten into it yet. I 
believe it is also specifically designed to be played without sight, as it has 
no graphics to speak of.

Forza Horizon 5 is my favorite game at the minute, (and it has been for some 
time now) but I would say, is somewhat accessible. There are a few sticking 
points in the game but once you get past them and learn how the game works, you 
can certainly enjoy about 75 percent of it accessibly. It’s far from perfect 
but It really is very good for a mainstream racing experience.

I’m also looking forward to the release of the next Forza Motorsport.

Regarding PS-5, Really, the only games I’ve found so far to be completely 
accessible, are the Last of Us 1 and 2.

I’m also playing Hogwarts Legacy with a friend and while it is sort of 
accessible in some ways, it lacks some crucial features for simple in-game 
navigation which really make it close to impossible to play without sight.

Hogwarts Legacy is also available on X-Box but right now I’m only playing it on 
PS-5. If I try it on X-Box and find that it’s any better, I will certainly let 
y'all know.

I’m trying to research other truly blind-accessible games for PS-5 at the 
minute as well, so I am also interested in other’s experiences with this.

Hope this helps and have a great day!

Cheers!

Cara





> On Aug 3, 2023, at 5:59 AM, Lenron  wrote:
> 
> Diablo iv, forza motorsport will be comes out in a couple months. As
> dusk falls. Are a few I can think of off the top of my head.
> 
> On 8/3/23, goshawk on horseback  wrote:
>> I am still trying to find what accessible games, if there are any, are
>> available for xbox, as that is what I have.
>> 
>> Simon
>> 
>> 
>>  - Original Message -
>>  From: Jen .
>>  To: blind-gamers@groups.io
>>  Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2023 9:25 AM
>>  Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] I have another question witch epople have
>> found better x box? or ps 5?
>> 
>> 
>>  What genres of games are available for both systems and what version of
>> both systems have the accessibility.
>>  Would either one of these systems be playable by someone with no vision.
>>  Jen
>> 
>> 
>>On Aug 3, 2023, at 1:58 AM, goshawk on horseback
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>
>>I would agree with this, as whilst I have heard about the speech being
>> available on the PS5, I have also heard that it isn't up to much, where as I
>> can say that the speech on the Xbox is good.
>> 
>>Simon
>> 
>> 
>>  - Original Message -
>>  From: michael barnes
>>  To: blind-gamers@groups.io
>>  Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2023 4:36 AM
>>  Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] I have another question witch epople have
>> found better x box? or ps 5?
>> 
>> 
>>  I prefer the Xbox. I feel that the Xbox is more accessible than
>> PlayStation five. However, it is a persons preference.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>On Aug 2, 2023, at 9:27 PM, Mich Verrier  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>
>>Hi all I am also wondering witch game consul is better x box? Or ps
>> 5? I have red about PS 5 Thor Ragnarock edditions as well and would like to
>> know what those are? Also are you able to use the PS 5 To play blue ray
>> movies? And if so is the accessibillidey extend to just games? Or if you
>> wanted to play a blue ray dvd of a movie could you do it and still have a
>> screen reader option reading you the menu? I know that this can be dun on a
>> PS 5 playing blue rays I mean  so I thought I would ask if playing blue ray
>> movies would also be possible but was not shure about the menu of the ps 5
>> if it would read out what you needed toknow or if it was only for gameing? I
>> have never dun this before and so that is the reason why I thought I would
>> ask. Many thanks. From Mich Verrier from Temiskaming Shores Ontario Canada.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Lenron Brown
> 
> 
> Skype: ron.brown762
> 
> 
> 
> 
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[Cara Quinn]

gt;>>>>  >
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  > By making your old windows titles freewares, on your side, you
>>>>>>  no longer need to care about past customers who lost their keys.
>>>>>>  You are making time free to invest on what you want today, develop
>>>>>>  for mac and iOS. I'm pretty sure that, after a while, you will
>>>>>>  just be annoyed about all those guys who lost their old windows
>>>>>>  key, and will start taking ages to reply and eventually no longer
>>>>>>  reply at all.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  >
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  > I have lost my key. You don't reply within a reasponable time.
>>>>>>  Certainly I won't ever try to buy your mac or iOS games since you
>>>>>>  dont appear very reliable. Again you have lost a customer forever.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  >
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  > So if I wrap things up, be clear with your customers: you keep
>>>>>>  supporting your windows titles as you have done until now, and so
>>>>>>  you can of course keep making money out of them. If you chose to
>>>>>>  stop supporting them, you should no longer make money out of them.
>>>>>>  There is no free sugar ! Being in an half-closed unclear state is
>>>>>>  going to be annoying both for you and your customers in the long
>>>>>>  run.  Several other audio game companies did it, and slowly,
>>>>>>  finally died.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  >
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  > You can of course decide to close everything under windows right
>>>>>>  now without releasing freewares and it's a perfectly valid
>>>>>>  thinking, but you are just losing an opportunity to reach more
>>>>>>  people wo may buy your iOS version tomorrow, and you are
>>>>>>  frustrating your current customers who stay under windows for the
>>>>>>  moment and with whom you will lose a little of good reputation.
>>>>>>  It's up to you.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  >
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  >
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  > Thank you for reading.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  > With all the best.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  >
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  >
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  >
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  >
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  >
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>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  >
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  >
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  > Le 17.05.2023 19:32, Tobias Vinteus a écrit :
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  >> Hi,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  >>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  >> If your goal is to reach the widest possible audience, then it
>>>>>>  would
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  >> seem to me that staying on Windows would be the better choice.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  >>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  >> Technologies like haptic feedbakc and spatial audio are
>>>>>>  available on
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  >> Windows, after all.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  >>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  >> There is one more thing to consider. I have an iPod 6th
>>>>>>  generation. Many
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  >> apps cannot be updated due to the last supported OS version for
>>>>>>  that
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  >> device being iOS 12. This means that your games might
>>>>>>  potentially stop
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  >> working or at least wouldn’t be able to update on older iOS
>>>>>>  devices.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  >> Being able to afford newer devices might not be as easy for us
>>>>>>  in the
>>>>

Re: [blind-gamers] A Dragon Reborn

[Cara Quinn]

Hi Mattias, yes, we’re definitely looking at not only porting, but enhancing 
and updating Monkey Business! :)

Cheers!

Cara





> On May 16, 2023, at 3:58 PM, mattias  wrote:
> 
> the old titles for windows too?
> i not sure if monkey bussines are from draconis..
> 
>> 16 maj 2023 kl. 23:51 skrev Cara Quinn :
>> 
>> Hi Mattias, it’s our intention to port all of our titles. So this is 
>> something that we’re really looking forward to.
>> 
>> Cheers!
>> 
>> Cara
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 16, 2023, at 3:48 PM, mattias  wrote:
>>> 
>>> cara? wich windows titles will be ported?
>>> silverdollar yes
>>> change riaction yes
>>> any other?
>>> 
>>>> 16 maj 2023 kl. 23:43 skrev Cara Quinn :
>>>> 
>>>> HI Michael and All,
>>>> 
>>>> Michael, thanks for your note.
>>>> 
>>>> As an XBox owner myself, while it would certainly be great to have more 
>>>> accessible titles on the platform, I’m just not sure I may be explaining 
>>>> the situation as clearly as I can, and I’m sorry for that.
>>>> 
>>>> When I say we do not have the resources for cross-platform development, 
>>>> it’s not as if we do not have access to actual machines if we needed them.
>>>> 
>>>> What I mean is that in regard to our development time, we would not be 
>>>> able to manage all of the hours that would need to go into this work.
>>>> 
>>>> this isn’t even getting into payment for our time.
>>>> 
>>>> So regarding porting titles to XBox when we would already not be able to 
>>>> continue Windows development is just not in the cards as things stand 
>>>> right now.
>>>> 
>>>> I’ve been on this list a while, as you all have, and I can’t help but note 
>>>> that this type of discussion seems to come up again and again over the 
>>>> years, and I have to wonder why this is?
>>>> 
>>>> anyone developing games for this community, whether they be an individual 
>>>> or a company, seems to run into the same questions / concerns. Why is this?
>>>> 
>>>> Draconis is an ongoing endeavor which we would love to have as a main 
>>>> source of support for us and our families in our day-to-day work. We 
>>>> simply cannot make that happen if we’re constantly asked to basically give 
>>>> up everything that we have and all past efforts as a donation.
>>>> 
>>>> Yes, there are some circumstances that would absolutely warrant this. If 
>>>> we were no longer supporting these games at all, for example, but this is 
>>>> not the case. We are simply porting these titles from Microsoft to Apple.
>>>> 
>>>> If we gave away everything that the company has, then how would we be able 
>>>> to do anything for the community at all? -let alone attempt to sustain the 
>>>> company?
>>>> 
>>>> In all seriousness, short of finding an angel investor, there is usually 
>>>> no way to develop for the blind community in any kind of a sustainable way.
>>>> 
>>>> If you or anyone else has leads on funding that could assist us, I would 
>>>> absolutely be open to suggestions.
>>>> 
>>>> Again, this is absolutely a serious question. We would certainly be open 
>>>> to real avenues that would sustain the company for growth and further 
>>>> development efforts.
>>>> 
>>>> I hope this offers a bit more clarity and discourse on this. 
>>>> 
>>>> thanks again for your suggestions and please feel free to continue the 
>>>> great discussion.
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers!
>>>> 
>>>> Cara
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On May 16, 2023, at 2:09 PM, Michael barnes  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I would like to make another suggestion. Port your titles to the xBox 
>>>>> since there are a lot of blind people on that platform.
>>>>> Do think about releasing the Windows version of the games free since 
>>>>> Windows version of the games are not going to be supported.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On May 15, 2023, at 6:34 PM, Cara Quinn  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>> 
>

Re: [blind-gamers] A Dragon Reborn

[Cara Quinn]

Hi Mattias, it’s our intention to port all of our titles. So this is something 
that we’re really looking forward to.

Cheers!

Cara





> On May 16, 2023, at 3:48 PM, mattias  wrote:
> 
> cara? wich windows titles will be ported?
> silverdollar yes
> change riaction yes
> any other?
> 
>> 16 maj 2023 kl. 23:43 skrev Cara Quinn :
>> 
>> HI Michael and All,
>> 
>> Michael, thanks for your note.
>> 
>> As an XBox owner myself, while it would certainly be great to have more 
>> accessible titles on the platform, I’m just not sure I may be explaining the 
>> situation as clearly as I can, and I’m sorry for that.
>> 
>> When I say we do not have the resources for cross-platform development, it’s 
>> not as if we do not have access to actual machines if we needed them.
>> 
>> What I mean is that in regard to our development time, we would not be able 
>> to manage all of the hours that would need to go into this work.
>> 
>> this isn’t even getting into payment for our time.
>> 
>> So regarding porting titles to XBox when we would already not be able to 
>> continue Windows development is just not in the cards as things stand right 
>> now.
>> 
>> I’ve been on this list a while, as you all have, and I can’t help but note 
>> that this type of discussion seems to come up again and again over the 
>> years, and I have to wonder why this is?
>> 
>> anyone developing games for this community, whether they be an individual or 
>> a company, seems to run into the same questions / concerns. Why is this?
>> 
>> Draconis is an ongoing endeavor which we would love to have as a main source 
>> of support for us and our families in our day-to-day work. We simply cannot 
>> make that happen if we’re constantly asked to basically give up everything 
>> that we have and all past efforts as a donation.
>> 
>> Yes, there are some circumstances that would absolutely warrant this. If we 
>> were no longer supporting these games at all, for example, but this is not 
>> the case. We are simply porting these titles from Microsoft to Apple.
>> 
>> If we gave away everything that the company has, then how would we be able 
>> to do anything for the community at all? -let alone attempt to sustain the 
>> company?
>> 
>> In all seriousness, short of finding an angel investor, there is usually no 
>> way to develop for the blind community in any kind of a sustainable way.
>> 
>> If you or anyone else has leads on funding that could assist us, I would 
>> absolutely be open to suggestions.
>> 
>> Again, this is absolutely a serious question. We would certainly be open to 
>> real avenues that would sustain the company for growth and further 
>> development efforts.
>> 
>> I hope this offers a bit more clarity and discourse on this. 
>> 
>> thanks again for your suggestions and please feel free to continue the great 
>> discussion.
>> 
>> Cheers!
>> 
>> Cara
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 16, 2023, at 2:09 PM, Michael barnes  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I would like to make another suggestion. Port your titles to the xBox since 
>>> there are a lot of blind people on that platform.
>>> Do think about releasing the Windows version of the games free since 
>>> Windows version of the games are not going to be supported.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On May 15, 2023, at 6:34 PM, Cara Quinn  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> 
>>>> First off, let me thank you for all of the support we’ve gotten in regard 
>>>> to our announcement today.
>>>> 
>>>> It really means a lot to us and really is an inspiration as we move 
>>>> forward.
>>>> 
>>>> We also want to extend our understanding and apologies to all of you who 
>>>> feel excluded or left out. This is absolutely not our intention, and I 
>>>> hope that is obvious. :) We would never dream of making members of our own 
>>>> community feel that way.
>>>> 
>>>> Our decision really has to come down to what we can and can’t provide. As 
>>>> we mentioned, we are a small company and we want to do the best we can to 
>>>> continue to provide the highest-quality products that we can produce, so 
>>>> that we can offer the rich gaming experience that you’ve come to expect 
>>>> from us, and that we hold ourselves to offering.
>>>> 
>>>> Regarding the platforms that we will b

Re: [blind-gamers] A Dragon Reborn

[Cara Quinn]

HI Michael and All,

Michael, thanks for your note.

As an XBox owner myself, while it would certainly be great to have more 
accessible titles on the platform, I’m just not sure I may be explaining the 
situation as clearly as I can, and I’m sorry for that.

When I say we do not have the resources for cross-platform development, it’s 
not as if we do not have access to actual machines if we needed them.

What I mean is that in regard to our development time, we would not be able to 
manage all of the hours that would need to go into this work.

this isn’t even getting into payment for our time.

So regarding porting titles to XBox when we would already not be able to 
continue Windows development is just not in the cards as things stand right now.

I’ve been on this list a while, as you all have, and I can’t help but note that 
this type of discussion seems to come up again and again over the years, and I 
have to wonder why this is?

anyone developing games for this community, whether they be an individual or a 
company, seems to run into the same questions / concerns. Why is this?

Draconis is an ongoing endeavor which we would love to have as a main source of 
support for us and our families in our day-to-day work. We simply cannot make 
that happen if we’re constantly asked to basically give up everything that we 
have and all past efforts as a donation.

Yes, there are some circumstances that would absolutely warrant this. If we 
were no longer supporting these games at all, for example, but this is not the 
case. We are simply porting these titles from Microsoft to Apple.

If we gave away everything that the company has, then how would we be able to 
do anything for the community at all? -let alone attempt to sustain the company?

In all seriousness, short of finding an angel investor, there is usually no way 
to develop for the blind community in any kind of a sustainable way.

If you or anyone else has leads on funding that could assist us, I would 
absolutely be open to suggestions.

Again, this is absolutely a serious question. We would certainly be open to 
real avenues that would sustain the company for growth and further development 
efforts.

I hope this offers a bit more clarity and discourse on this. 

thanks again for your suggestions and please feel free to continue the great 
discussion.

Cheers!

Cara





> On May 16, 2023, at 2:09 PM, Michael barnes  wrote:
> 
> I would like to make another suggestion. Port your titles to the xBox since 
> there are a lot of blind people on that platform.
> Do think about releasing the Windows version of the games free since Windows 
> version of the games are not going to be supported.
> 
> 
>> On May 15, 2023, at 6:34 PM, Cara Quinn  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> First off, let me thank you for all of the support we’ve gotten in regard to 
>> our announcement today.
>> 
>> It really means a lot to us and really is an inspiration as we move forward.
>> 
>> We also want to extend our understanding and apologies to all of you who 
>> feel excluded or left out. This is absolutely not our intention, and I hope 
>> that is obvious. :) We would never dream of making members of our own 
>> community feel that way.
>> 
>> Our decision really has to come down to what we can and can’t provide. As we 
>> mentioned, we are a small company and we want to do the best we can to 
>> continue to provide the highest-quality products that we can produce, so 
>> that we can offer the rich gaming experience that you’ve come to expect from 
>> us, and that we hold ourselves to offering.
>> 
>> Regarding the platforms that we will be available on; We are not limiting 
>> ourselves to any one of the Apple platforms. For now, change Reaction and 
>> Silver Dollar are available on the Mac because of their older code-base. We 
>> are planning to update these to bring them to all apple platforms. Going 
>> forward, we are planning on all titles being available on all Apple 
>> platforms. The only exception to this might be the Apple Watch as some games 
>> may not be appropriate for the small format. So I hope this clears this up.
>> 
>> Again, our apologies for any inconvenience this may cause. We sure hope that 
>> you choose to come along for the ride with us. As I said, your support and 
>> excitement really go a long way to keeping us doing what we do.
>> 
>> We hope you’ll be with us on this journey.
>> 
>> Cheers!
>> 
>> Cara
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 15, 2023, at 10:51 AM, Cara Quinn  wrote:
>>> 
>>> It's been a long while, but it's finally time to announce the start of a 
>>> new chapter for Draconis Entertainment, LLC. The dragon is awakeni

Re: [blind-gamers] A Dragon Reborn

[Cara Quinn]

Hi all,

First off, let me thank you for all of the support we’ve gotten in regard to 
our announcement today.

It really means a lot to us and really is an inspiration as we move forward.

We also want to extend our understanding and apologies to all of you who feel 
excluded or left out. This is absolutely not our intention, and I hope that is 
obvious. :) We would never dream of making members of our own community feel 
that way.

Our decision really has to come down to what we can and can’t provide. As we 
mentioned, we are a small company and we want to do the best we can to continue 
to provide the highest-quality products that we can produce, so that we can 
offer the rich gaming experience that you’ve come to expect from us, and that 
we hold ourselves to offering.

Regarding the platforms that we will be available on; We are not limiting 
ourselves to any one of the Apple platforms. For now, change Reaction and 
Silver Dollar are available on the Mac because of their older code-base. We are 
planning to update these to bring them to all apple platforms. Going forward, 
we are planning on all titles being available on all Apple platforms. The only 
exception to this might be the Apple Watch as some games may not be appropriate 
for the small format. So I hope this clears this up.

Again, our apologies for any inconvenience this may cause. We sure hope that 
you choose to come along for the ride with us. As I said, your support and 
excitement really go a long way to keeping us doing what we do.

We hope you’ll be with us on this journey.

Cheers!

Cara





> On May 15, 2023, at 10:51 AM, Cara Quinn  wrote:
> 
> It's been a long while, but it's finally time to announce the start of a new 
> chapter for Draconis Entertainment, LLC. The dragon is awakening yet again!
> 
> This new incarnation of the company brings big and exciting changes. We will 
> explain those and some of our plans for the future here, but know that we 
> aren't spilling all the beans quite yet. What fun would that be!
> 
> The world has moved on!
> 
> Our first announcement is that we are bringing new and enhanced versions of 
> our classic games, along with brand-new titles, into the modern age and on to 
> Apple platforms, with an emphasis on iPhone! Thanks to VoiceOver, the 
> overwhelming majority of the visually impaired community has access to at 
> least one of Apple's operating systems, and this will make our games 
> available to the widest possible audience. It's hard to believe sometimes, 
> but that little rectangle of glass we all carry in our pockets has infinitely 
> more power than any of the PCs or Macs that our legacy titles were developed 
> on, and with the tight integration of Apple's operating systems, we will be 
> able to easily make new releases available for iPhone, iPad, Mac, or AppleTV 
> going forward. This approach means that we can integrate newer technologies 
> like full 3D spatial audio, touch and accelerometer interaction, and support 
> for console game controllers and advanced haptics.
> 
> What does this mean for our Windows products?
> 
> We know how beloved these games have been over the years—we love them too—and 
> we want to bring all of them, with expansions and new features,  into the 
> twenty-first century, so they can be enjoyed by new and old generations of 
> gamers alike. The support cost for the original Windows games, some of which 
> were new when Nintendo 64 was the hot ticket and Xbox didn't yet exist, is 
> simply too high to manage for a small company like us, while also investing 
> in the future. 
> 
> We will be bringing our Windows development to a close and giving these games 
> new life on iPhone, iPad, Mac, and AppleTV. That said, for the time being, we 
> will continue to offer downloads of the installation packages for our legacy 
> catalog on our site, and customers who purchased them may request replacement 
> keys within reason. (For more details, see the Legacy section of our new 
> website at https://draconis.llc.)
> 
> Back in March, the legacy Draconis Score Server (DSS) and Draconis Online 
> License Factory (DOLF) for the Windows versions of ChangeReaction 2 and 
> SilverDollar, migrated to a new host and received some modernization. As 
> you've already seen, this brought much needed stability to both of those 
> services.
> 
> So what’s up first?
> 
> With all of that in mind, we're pleased to introduce major updates to the Mac 
> versions of ChangeReaction and SilverDollar. Freed from the cross-platform 
> constraints of developing for both macOS and Windows, we have been able to 
> add some new features to these titles. The most exciting of which is 
> full-support for any of the console game controllers supported by Apple 
> platforms. These include the PlayStation DualShock 4 or 

Re: [blind-gamers] A Dragon Reborn

[Cara Quinn]

Awesome Mattias, glad to hear it. Enjoy! :)

Cheers!

Cara





> On May 15, 2023, at 11:12 AM, Mattias  wrote:
> 
> thanks for the mac version of silver dollar
> i must say it works better on m1 mac than on windows
> 
>> 15 maj 2023 kl. 18:51 skrev Cara Quinn :
>> 
>> It's been a long while, but it's finally time to announce the start of a new 
>> chapter for Draconis Entertainment, LLC. The dragon is awakening yet again!
>> 
>> This new incarnation of the company brings big and exciting changes. We will 
>> explain those and some of our plans for the future here, but know that we 
>> aren't spilling all the beans quite yet. What fun would that be!
>> 
>> The world has moved on!
>> 
>> Our first announcement is that we are bringing new and enhanced versions of 
>> our classic games, along with brand-new titles, into the modern age and on 
>> to Apple platforms, with an emphasis on iPhone! Thanks to VoiceOver, the 
>> overwhelming majority of the visually impaired community has access to at 
>> least one of Apple's operating systems, and this will make our games 
>> available to the widest possible audience. It's hard to believe sometimes, 
>> but that little rectangle of glass we all carry in our pockets has 
>> infinitely more power than any of the PCs or Macs that our legacy titles 
>> were developed on, and with the tight integration of Apple's operating 
>> systems, we will be able to easily make new releases available for iPhone, 
>> iPad, Mac, or AppleTV going forward. This approach means that we can 
>> integrate newer technologies like full 3D spatial audio, touch and 
>> accelerometer interaction, and support for console game controllers and 
>> advanced haptics.
>> 
>> What does this mean for our Windows products?
>> 
>> We know how beloved these games have been over the years—we love them 
>> too—and we want to bring all of them, with expansions and new features,  
>> into the twenty-first century, so they can be enjoyed by new and old 
>> generations of gamers alike. The support cost for the original Windows 
>> games, some of which were new when Nintendo 64 was the hot ticket and Xbox 
>> didn't yet exist, is simply too high to manage for a small company like us, 
>> while also investing in the future. 
>> 
>> We will be bringing our Windows development to a close and giving these 
>> games new life on iPhone, iPad, Mac, and AppleTV. That said, for the time 
>> being, we will continue to offer downloads of the installation packages for 
>> our legacy catalog on our site, and customers who purchased them may request 
>> replacement keys within reason. (For more details, see the Legacy section of 
>> our new website at https://draconis.llc.)
>> 
>> Back in March, the legacy Draconis Score Server (DSS) and Draconis Online 
>> License Factory (DOLF) for the Windows versions of ChangeReaction 2 and 
>> SilverDollar, migrated to a new host and received some modernization. As 
>> you've already seen, this brought much needed stability to both of those 
>> services.
>> 
>> So what’s up first?
>> 
>> With all of that in mind, we're pleased to introduce major updates to the 
>> Mac versions of ChangeReaction and SilverDollar. Freed from the 
>> cross-platform constraints of developing for both macOS and Windows, we have 
>> been able to add some new features to these titles. The most exciting of 
>> which is full-support for any of the console game controllers supported by 
>> Apple platforms. These include the PlayStation DualShock 4 or DualSense 5, 
>> the Xbox X / S controllers, the Nintendo Switch JoyCons, any MFI controller, 
>> and others. SilverDollar now includes a great deal of new and remastered 
>> audio, support for Apple Silicon, and countless bug fixes and tweaks.
>> 
>> These upgraded titles will be available as free updates to anyone who 
>> purchased them previously from the Mac App Store. SilverDollar 2.0 is out 
>> now and is available for free. ChangeReaction 3.0 will have its price 
>> reduced to $4.99 in the US when it is reintroduced in the coming weeks. 
>> (Prices will vary based on exchange rates.)
>> 
>> Looking forward, the development to bring a mix of new and familiar titles 
>> to life is well-underway, and we can’t wait to show you what we’ve been 
>> working on! The future is bright.
>> 
>> We know the dragon has been sleeping for a very long time. We appreciate 
>> your patience and support more than we can say. Thank you for the last 
>> twenty years. We hope you'll join us as the dragon is reborn.
>> 
>> 
>> Cheers!
>> 
>> Cara
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 



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[blind-gamers] A Dragon Reborn

[Cara Quinn]

It's been a long while, but it's finally time to announce the start of a new 
chapter for Draconis Entertainment, LLC. The dragon is awakening yet again!

This new incarnation of the company brings big and exciting changes. We will 
explain those and some of our plans for the future here, but know that we 
aren't spilling all the beans quite yet. What fun would that be!

The world has moved on!

Our first announcement is that we are bringing new and enhanced versions of our 
classic games, along with brand-new titles, into the modern age and on to Apple 
platforms, with an emphasis on iPhone! Thanks to VoiceOver, the overwhelming 
majority of the visually impaired community has access to at least one of 
Apple's operating systems, and this will make our games available to the widest 
possible audience. It's hard to believe sometimes, but that little rectangle of 
glass we all carry in our pockets has infinitely more power than any of the PCs 
or Macs that our legacy titles were developed on, and with the tight 
integration of Apple's operating systems, we will be able to easily make new 
releases available for iPhone, iPad, Mac, or AppleTV going forward. This 
approach means that we can integrate newer technologies like full 3D spatial 
audio, touch and accelerometer interaction, and support for console game 
controllers and advanced haptics.

What does this mean for our Windows products?

We know how beloved these games have been over the years—we love them too—and 
we want to bring all of them, with expansions and new features,  into the 
twenty-first century, so they can be enjoyed by new and old generations of 
gamers alike. The support cost for the original Windows games, some of which 
were new when Nintendo 64 was the hot ticket and Xbox didn't yet exist, is 
simply too high to manage for a small company like us, while also investing in 
the future. 

We will be bringing our Windows development to a close and giving these games 
new life on iPhone, iPad, Mac, and AppleTV. That said, for the time being, we 
will continue to offer downloads of the installation packages for our legacy 
catalog on our site, and customers who purchased them may request replacement 
keys within reason. (For more details, see the Legacy section of our new 
website at https://draconis.llc.)

Back in March, the legacy Draconis Score Server (DSS) and Draconis Online 
License Factory (DOLF) for the Windows versions of ChangeReaction 2 and 
SilverDollar, migrated to a new host and received some modernization. As you've 
already seen, this brought much needed stability to both of those services.

So what’s up first?

With all of that in mind, we're pleased to introduce major updates to the Mac 
versions of ChangeReaction and SilverDollar. Freed from the cross-platform 
constraints of developing for both macOS and Windows, we have been able to add 
some new features to these titles. The most exciting of which is full-support 
for any of the console game controllers supported by Apple platforms. These 
include the PlayStation DualShock 4 or DualSense 5, the Xbox X / S controllers, 
the Nintendo Switch JoyCons, any MFI controller, and others. SilverDollar now 
includes a great deal of new and remastered audio, support for Apple Silicon, 
and countless bug fixes and tweaks.

These upgraded titles will be available as free updates to anyone who purchased 
them previously from the Mac App Store. SilverDollar 2.0 is out now and is 
available for free. ChangeReaction 3.0 will have its price reduced to $4.99 in 
the US when it is reintroduced in the coming weeks. (Prices will vary based on 
exchange rates.)

Looking forward, the development to bring a mix of new and familiar titles to 
life is well-underway, and we can’t wait to show you what we’ve been working 
on! The future is bright.

We know the dragon has been sleeping for a very long time. We appreciate your 
patience and support more than we can say. Thank you for the last twenty years. 
We hope you'll join us as the dragon is reborn.


Cheers!

Cara







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[Cara Quinn]

Hi All,

Hope everyone is doing well.

I just want to let you all know that we have moved the Draconis score and 
license servers. This is purely a back-end modification and there is nothing 
that anyone needs to do in response to this.

hopefully this will not impact any customers in any way, but if anyone does 
notice any unusual behaviors, please let us know right away so we can address 
them.

Thank you all so much and please have a great day!

Cheers!

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Re: [blind-gamers] Switching Game Modes in Silver Dollar

[Cara Quinn]

Hi kelly,

The Christmas mode comes on automatically in December and you can also type 
“hohoho” (without the quotes) at the main menu and press enter.

Enjoy! :)

Cheers!

Cara





> On Feb 18, 2023, at 11:18 AM, Kelly Sapergia  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
>  
> I have a question regarding Silver Dollar by Draconis Entertainment that’s 
> driving me crazy. I seem to remember that there was a way to switch the game 
> so you could play the Christmas version of WhoopAss. Unfortunately, I don’t 
> remember what the code is, and searching the message archive hasn’t helped. 
> Does anyone else know?
>  
> Thanks.
>  
> Yours Sincerely,
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> Show Host, Production Director, Webmaster
> The Global Voice Internet Radio
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[blind-gamers] Creating Custom race Events in Forza Horizon 5

[Cara Quinn]

Hi All,

Happy Fourth of July for those who celebrate! :)

I wanted to post on how we can create a custom event using Event Lab in FH5.

The process I discuss below uses Forza standard routes but I was also able to 
create my own custom route yesterday. So will also detail that in yet another 
separate note, since it would make this note even longer than it will be 
already! :)

So anyway, without further ado, here is how to create a basic custom event in 
Forza Horizon 5.

This is actually quite a bit simpler than I thought and is accessible with a 
couple of caveats.

To create a customized event that you and other players can play through Event 
Lab, the first thing you will need to do is to travel to an existing race event 
and enter the event by pressing the X button on your controller once you arrive.

• Click the Solo option

• Move one group to the left for Event Lab. In that group you will have options 
called Event Lab Creations and Create Blueprint. Choose Create Blueprint

• After choosing create blueprint, you will choose Car Theme. Here you are 
choosing the types of cars you would like to allow in the event. There are a 
number of options in this screen including type of car, year of manufacture 
etc. This can be pretty confusing if you’re not familiar with it but all of it 
seems accessible from what I’ve seen so far. Personally, I just choose options 
to allow all cars at this point because I want the ability to use any car I 
like when I participate in the event.

• Choose Car Class. I believe if you have chosen all cars on the previous 
screen this option may automatically be set to Open Class. This is what I 
personally choose. Again, this allows all cars to be used in your event.

Once you’ve chosen these options, you will be placed in the main list of 
settings for your event. This list consists of the following options:

• Edit Name

• Description

• Create / Choose Route (this menu is usable but has accessibility issues which 
I will discuss below)

• Event settings (contains a list of options which I will discuss below)

• Car themes (should be the theme you've already chosen)

• Music choices (this menu does not seem to be accessible but you can preview 
specific songs and choose them if you wish)

• Rules of play. (This menu does not appear to be accessible)

The last bit in this list are the Test Drive and Publish buttons. By default, 
focus lands on the Test Drive button and using your D Pad to move one click to 
the right, you will land on the Publish button. You will need to Test your 
route first before you can publish it.

So now, to elaborate on a few menu options above; the Create / Choose Route 
option allows you to either choose an existing game route to follow or create 
your own. While this menu is not narrated, there is something to note here. You 
are automatically placed on the Create Route option. This is important to 
remember. This option is actually accessible but its title is also not 
narrated. In this case, we will choose an existing route from the game. So to 
do this, you would use your D Pad to move to the right or left, bearing in mind 
the position of the Create Route option.

These route options are not narrated but you will hear clicks to indicate each 
one. Once you choose one, you will be asked if you’d like to fast-travel there. 
Say yes to this and you will travel to that event location and also be placed 
back in the menu to continue setting up the event.

If you now look at the Create / Choose Route option, you will see the name of 
the route you chose and it is narrated. It would certainly be a lot easier if 
these routes were announced on the previous screen but I’m glad they are at 
least announced here once you’ve chosen one.

As I mentioned above, I will discuss creating your own route in another note.

Okay, so now on to the Event Settings option; clicking on this option will open 
a new menu of settings for your event. These are as follows:

• Drivetar difficulty

•  Maximum number of drivetars

• Weather / Time of day mode (custom or free-roam) If this is set to free-roam, 
the menu skips the next two options and goes right to Time Progression.

• Time of day

• Weather

• Time progression (rolling or fixed)

• Rewind (on or off)

• Locked camera

• Traffic (on or off)

• Keyword one

• Keyword two

• Performance class (which you would have set before)

• Confirm button (which is accessible but not narrated) You will need to click 
this button to save your changes and return to the previous menu to continue 
setting up your event. Pressing the B button without pressing the Confirm 
button first brings you back to the previous menu and discards your changes.

So now that you have all of your options set for your event, the fun part is to 
Test Drive your route. You simply click the Test Drive button and you will 
start your event like you would start any other race in the game. However, you 
will have all of your custom settings active. 

[blind-gamers] Share Codes for my Events -was- Re: Updates and my first Event Lab test track

[Cara Quinn]

Hi All,

Happy Friday eve!

I was able to create a second event and I also now have both share codes for 
these.

Unfortunately, as I’d suspected, the share codes themselves are not accessible. 
Go figure. So I needed sighted assistance to read it. It may be possible to use 
OCR to get this but I’m on an XBox and so I will see if I can use my phone 
tomorrow to read these and let y’all know how it goes.

I’ll also post a note tomorrow to go through the steps to create a new event. 
It will be a longish note so rather than post it now, I’ll check back in on the 
‘morrow. :)

For now, here are the share codes for both events I’ve created today. Will also 
detail these a bit more in my next note.

Cara 1 share code: 182 276 379

Cara 2 share code: 439 824 962

Hope you like these if you check them out.

Cheers and talk soon!

Cara





> On Jul 1, 2022, at 5:48 PM, Cara Quinn  wrote:
> 
> Hey again All,
> 
> Hope you’re all having a lovely Friday!
> 
> Thought some might be interested to know that I found out how to make a test 
> track today and the process is doable without sight. As usual though, it 
> seems with FH5, there are a couple of areas which are not friendly. Go 
> figure! lol!
> 
> Anyway, to get right to the point, if you’d like to try this track out; if 
> you go to the search area I mentioned before where you land on the Confirm 
> button and you can search on a share code, I found today that if you use the 
> D Pad to go up further, you will find many options you can search on.
> 
> in this case, since it seems that I can’t find a share code for my event 
> (probably due to inaccessibility) you can actually just search on the event 
> name. So for my track, it is simply called Cara 1
> 
> So you’d go up in the search menu all the way to the top and press the A 
> button on the Event Title option. This will bring up a standard XBox keyboard 
> and you would type in “Cara 1” and then click enter with the A button.
> 
> Then, just use the D Pad to go all the way back down the search menu until 
> you get to the Confirm button and click that. YOu should then see a search 
> results group with only my event in it. I’ll send along the share code when I 
> can find it.
> 
> Anyway, this is a road racing circuit event and there are no drivetars and no 
> traffic so you can just drive. This event has 3 laps and you can use any car 
> you like. Also, just as a note, any car class above the high S1 range will 
> most likely require you to slow down a bit at the corners. These corners can 
> occasionally be tight so just be aware of it.
> 
> I will post another note either tonight or tomorrow to share the details of 
> exactly how I did this. it’s not difficult but I need to check on a couple of 
> specific steps so I don’t give you the wrong info. :)
> 
> I’m super new to the process so I really want to make sure I am completely 
> clear on it before I share it.
> 
> Thanks, and for now, I hope you enjoy the event if you try it!
> 
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> Cara
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jul 1, 2022, at 3:50 AM, Cara Quinn > <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> I just found another feature of Forza Horizon 5 which at first appeared to 
>> be not super friendly but I’ve just found a very cool work-around which 
>> makes this available to us.
>> 
>> It is the Event Lab which features tracks and races of all types, created by 
>> the Forza community. You can get to these events but neither the groups that 
>> contain them generally announce their titles nor the options themselves for 
>> each event. So it’s really hit or miss.
>> 
>> However, I’ve just found that the search feature for these events is 
>> accessible and each event has a unique race code that you can search on to 
>> get to that event directly. So this is kind of a huge deal, as it means that 
>> we now have access to all sorts of community-created races and tracks etc, 
>> and we do not need to use the map or travel across the world to get to these 
>> events anytime we like.
>> 
>> This is all available from the pause menu from anywhere in the game. For 
>> those who may not know, you get to the pause menu by pressing the menu 
>> button on your controller.
>> 
>> Once you are in the pause menu, you get to the event lab by first moving to 
>> the Creative Hub group using the right or left buttons on an XBox 
>> controller. I do not know which keys this would be on PC. -My apologies.
>> 
>> I can’t remember at the minute if the Creative Hub group announces itself 
>> via the screen reader but if it does not, the options in it do. So you would 
>> just locate the Event Lab op

Updates and my first Event Lab test track -was- Re: [blind-gamers] Forza Horizon 5 - Event Lab

[Cara Quinn]

Hey again All,

Hope you’re all having a lovely Friday!

Thought some might be interested to know that I found out how to make a test 
track today and the process is doable without sight. As usual though, it seems 
with FH5, there are a couple of areas which are not friendly. Go figure! lol!

Anyway, to get right to the point, if you’d like to try this track out; if you 
go to the search area I mentioned before where you land on the Confirm button 
and you can search on a share code, I found today that if you use the D Pad to 
go up further, you will find many options you can search on.

in this case, since it seems that I can’t find a share code for my event 
(probably due to inaccessibility) you can actually just search on the event 
name. So for my track, it is simply called Cara 1

So you’d go up in the search menu all the way to the top and press the A button 
on the Event Title option. This will bring up a standard XBox keyboard and you 
would type in “Cara 1” and then click enter with the A button.

Then, just use the D Pad to go all the way back down the search menu until you 
get to the Confirm button and click that. YOu should then see a search results 
group with only my event in it. I’ll send along the share code when I can find 
it.

Anyway, this is a road racing circuit event and there are no drivetars and no 
traffic so you can just drive. This event has 3 laps and you can use any car 
you like. Also, just as a note, any car class above the high S1 range will most 
likely require you to slow down a bit at the corners. These corners can 
occasionally be tight so just be aware of it.

I will post another note either tonight or tomorrow to share the details of 
exactly how I did this. it’s not difficult but I need to check on a couple of 
specific steps so I don’t give you the wrong info. :)

I’m super new to the process so I really want to make sure I am completely 
clear on it before I share it.

Thanks, and for now, I hope you enjoy the event if you try it!


Cheers!

Cara





> On Jul 1, 2022, at 3:50 AM, Cara Quinn  wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> I just found another feature of Forza Horizon 5 which at first appeared to be 
> not super friendly but I’ve just found a very cool work-around which makes 
> this available to us.
> 
> It is the Event Lab which features tracks and races of all types, created by 
> the Forza community. You can get to these events but neither the groups that 
> contain them generally announce their titles nor the options themselves for 
> each event. So it’s really hit or miss.
> 
> However, I’ve just found that the search feature for these events is 
> accessible and each event has a unique race code that you can search on to 
> get to that event directly. So this is kind of a huge deal, as it means that 
> we now have access to all sorts of community-created races and tracks etc, 
> and we do not need to use the map or travel across the world to get to these 
> events anytime we like.
> 
> This is all available from the pause menu from anywhere in the game. For 
> those who may not know, you get to the pause menu by pressing the menu button 
> on your controller.
> 
> Once you are in the pause menu, you get to the event lab by first moving to 
> the Creative Hub group using the right or left buttons on an XBox controller. 
> I do not know which keys this would be on PC. -My apologies.
> 
> I can’t remember at the minute if the Creative Hub group announces itself via 
> the screen reader but if it does not, the options in it do. So you would just 
> locate the Event Lab option using the D pad and activate it by pressing A.
> 
> Once you’re in the Event Lab, you will see two options which you can navigate 
> between using the D Pad. I’m not in front of the game just now, but I believe 
> these options are Blueprints and My Designs. I’ll verify this tomorrow and 
> re-post if necessary.
> 
> Anyway, the option you want is Blueprints. This option contains all of the 
> comunity-based tracks and races. These are divided into groups, but only the 
> first and last groups are spoken. You can still navigate between them and 
> choose races within them, but the races will not announce their titles. So 
> you cannot tell which event you are picking.
> 
> This is where the above work-around comes in; As I’d mentioned, each event 
> has a code associated with it and you can find these codes on the web. 
> (Youtube etc)
> 
> Once you are in the Blueprints section, you can go to the search area by 
> pressing the View button on your controller. You should hear an option called 
> Confirm. If you navigate up once with the D Pad, you should then hear a 
> search edit field announced. You can click on this by pressing the A button 
> and a search keyboard will open, which uses Narrator so we can access it.
> 
> If you enter 

[blind-gamers] Forza Horizon 5 - Event Lab

[Cara Quinn]

Hi All,

I just found another feature of Forza Horizon 5 which at first appeared to be 
not super friendly but I’ve just found a very cool work-around which makes this 
available to us.

It is the Event Lab which features tracks and races of all types, created by 
the Forza community. You can get to these events but neither the groups that 
contain them generally announce their titles nor the options themselves for 
each event. So it’s really hit or miss.

However, I’ve just found that the search feature for these events is accessible 
and each event has a unique race code that you can search on to get to that 
event directly. So this is kind of a huge deal, as it means that we now have 
access to all sorts of community-created races and tracks etc, and we do not 
need to use the map or travel across the world to get to these events anytime 
we like.

This is all available from the pause menu from anywhere in the game. For those 
who may not know, you get to the pause menu by pressing the menu button on your 
controller.

Once you are in the pause menu, you get to the event lab by first moving to the 
Creative Hub group using the right or left buttons on an XBox controller. I do 
not know which keys this would be on PC. -My apologies.

I can’t remember at the minute if the Creative Hub group announces itself via 
the screen reader but if it does not, the options in it do. So you would just 
locate the Event Lab option using the D pad and activate it by pressing A.

Once you’re in the Event Lab, you will see two options which you can navigate 
between using the D Pad. I’m not in front of the game just now, but I believe 
these options are Blueprints and My Designs. I’ll verify this tomorrow and 
re-post if necessary.

Anyway, the option you want is Blueprints. This option contains all of the 
comunity-based tracks and races. These are divided into groups, but only the 
first and last groups are spoken. You can still navigate between them and 
choose races within them, but the races will not announce their titles. So you 
cannot tell which event you are picking.

This is where the above work-around comes in; As I’d mentioned, each event has 
a code associated with it and you can find these codes on the web. (Youtube etc)

Once you are in the Blueprints section, you can go to the search area by 
pressing the View button on your controller. You should hear an option called 
Confirm. If you navigate up once with the D Pad, you should then hear a search 
edit field announced. You can click on this by pressing the A button and a 
search keyboard will open, which uses Narrator so we can access it.

If you enter the search code for the event you want, and then click enter, you 
will get a search results group which should contain the option you’re looking 
for. If you just click the A button you will enter the event.

I believe you can press Y in place of A if you would like to favorite the 
event. I’ll get to this again in a minute.

For now though, once the event starts, it should be announced like any normal 
race would, so you can race like you usually do, but now we have access to a 
vast amount of community based events that do not require any use of the map or 
any travel to locate.

Okay, so now on to favorites, when I was mentioning the groups in the 
Blueprints section earlier, I mentioned that only the first and last groups 
seem to be announced. The first group (all the way to the left) is the highest 
rated races (I can’t remember the exact name just now) and the last group (all 
the way to the right) is called History. This screen may be confusing, as you 
will still hear clicks if  you keep moving to the right after you reach the 
History group. There are no more groups though and you will actually stay on 
the History group so just bear this in mind.

So now, if you navigate to the History group and then go one to the left with 
the D Pad, you will land on the Favorites group. Even though this group and its 
options are not narrated, your favorites are here and they should be in the 
order in which you favorited them. You can access these using the D Pad as you 
normally would. So this is sort of a quicker way to get to these without 
needing to type in the race code each time.

I’ve not used the History group yet but this also might work.

If you like, here is a race code to get you started. This track is actually 
basically kind of a test track that you can race on alone. This one is actually 
meant for people wanting to get lots of points and credits using the 
auto-steering feature. I found  this accidentally so thought I would give it a 
try and see if this was accessible for us. It turns out that it is, and this is 
a perfectly legit race.

The race code is 966 452 663.

A few words of warning / advice though; I believe this track is meant for class 
S 1 or 2 cars but for some reason when I started the race, it only let me 
choose the Jesko that I was currently driving, which is an X class 

Re: [blind-gamers] F1 Manager 2022

[Cara Quinn]

Hi there, my apologies, but I’m not sure exactly what you’re asking? Are you 
wanting a link to F1 manager? I’m actually talking about Forza horizon five, 
which is an Xbox game. I brought it up on this thread because it’s also a 
racing game, and I thought the original poster might be interested in it. I’m 
personally actually not familiar with F1 manager so I don’t have a link for you 
right off. I would only be googling it so you would probably be just as well 
served doing that as well if you can. If you still need a link,let me know and 
I’ll be happy to locate one for you. My apologies for any confusion. Please 
have a great day/evening!

Cheers!

Cara
> On Jun 19, 2022, at 10:03 PM, kukovecand...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> please link from f1 manager
> 
> Cara Quinn je 19. 06. 2022 ob 18:26 napisal:
>> Hi Lenron, I’m not a PC user so I just googled it. Apparently you can use 
>> any Xbox controller on windows. Others here might know more. Hope this helps 
>> and have a lovely holiday weekend!
>> 
>> Cheers!
>> 
>> Cara
>>>> On Jun 18, 2022, at 11:37 AM, Lenron  wrote:
>>> 
>>> best xbox controller for pc use? I am for sure thinking about grabbing fh 
>>> 5.
>>> 
>>>> On 6/16/22, Cara Quinn  wrote:
>>>> Hi Juan,
>>>> 
>>>> Regarding the game play; if you're already familiar with the Forza Horizon
>>>> series? The game takes place in an open world environment in and around a
>>>> fictional racing and music festival. In this version, the Horizon Festival
>>>> is in Mexico. So the map offers many environments based on the various
>>>> Mexican landscapes.
>>>> 
>>>> In the case of FH5, we now have spoken menus (with several caveats) and an
>>>> Accessibility menu of options which allow us to independently play several
>>>> portions of the game.
>>>> 
>>>> Unfortunately, the game has quite a few rough edges regarding full access 
>>>> to
>>>> someone without any sight but conversely, also allows us to really
>>>> experience a lot of enjoyment and get a lot out of the game.
>>>> 
>>>> I’ve posted before on the map so for more details on this, you may want to
>>>> go back in the threads over the last couple of weeks on this. If you can’t
>>>> locate the earlier messages, just let me know and I can re-post some of my
>>>> earlier notes on this.
>>>> 
>>>> Essentially though, even though the map is not technically accessible
>>>> without sight, there are a couple of game features which make it somewhat
>>>> usable for us.
>>>> 
>>>> Also, the game as a GPS system and driving assists which allow us to
>>>> independently drive from place to place in the game and take part in races.
>>>> The full driving assistance uses the game’s own AI to drive our car for us.
>>>> 
>>>> the skill aspect of the interaction that we have in the game is limited, in
>>>> the sense that we don’t have a whole lot of control of our driving (when
>>>> using full assists) but we are able to choose the amount of driving
>>>> assistance we use and we also can override the assists to drive wherever we
>>>> want at any time just by manually steering. So we’re not limited to just
>>>> being a spectator as it were. The spatial audio is nothing short of amazing
>>>> so we can be as active as we choose when it comes to racing while still
>>>> letting the AI get us through the checkpoints during the race.
>>>> 
>>>> Also, we can actively steer our vehicle out of situations where we may be
>>>> stuck etc, or if we just want to go off of the GPS route. I often go
>>>> off-road during skill songs to get points by drifting etc. Once I then let
>>>> the AI take control of the car again, it will get me back to the road and
>>>> the route that I was on originally.
>>>> 
>>>> There are also stories in the game, which are made up of shorter, more
>>>> guided activities which contain a lot of narration and description of what
>>>> is going on and what we’re expected to do. Other folks may have more
>>>> feedback here, as I’ve only done just a few stories but from what I’ve seen
>>>> so far, just relying on the AI here is usually all that is required, but
>>>> within that context, there are other aspects of stories that do need other
>>>> interactions from us that we may be able to do. Overall though, since these
>>>> 

Re: [blind-gamers] F1 Manager 2022

[Cara Quinn]

Hi Lenron, I’m not a PC user so I just googled it. Apparently you can use any 
Xbox controller on windows. Others here might know more. Hope this helps and 
have a lovely holiday weekend!

Cheers!

Cara
> On Jun 18, 2022, at 11:37 AM, Lenron  wrote:
> 
> best xbox controller for pc use? I am for sure thinking about grabbing fh 5.
> 
>> On 6/16/22, Cara Quinn  wrote:
>> Hi Juan,
>> 
>> Regarding the game play; if you're already familiar with the Forza Horizon
>> series? The game takes place in an open world environment in and around a
>> fictional racing and music festival. In this version, the Horizon Festival
>> is in Mexico. So the map offers many environments based on the various
>> Mexican landscapes.
>> 
>> In the case of FH5, we now have spoken menus (with several caveats) and an
>> Accessibility menu of options which allow us to independently play several
>> portions of the game.
>> 
>> Unfortunately, the game has quite a few rough edges regarding full access to
>> someone without any sight but conversely, also allows us to really
>> experience a lot of enjoyment and get a lot out of the game.
>> 
>> I’ve posted before on the map so for more details on this, you may want to
>> go back in the threads over the last couple of weeks on this. If you can’t
>> locate the earlier messages, just let me know and I can re-post some of my
>> earlier notes on this.
>> 
>> Essentially though, even though the map is not technically accessible
>> without sight, there are a couple of game features which make it somewhat
>> usable for us.
>> 
>> Also, the game as a GPS system and driving assists which allow us to
>> independently drive from place to place in the game and take part in races.
>> The full driving assistance uses the game’s own AI to drive our car for us.
>> 
>> the skill aspect of the interaction that we have in the game is limited, in
>> the sense that we don’t have a whole lot of control of our driving (when
>> using full assists) but we are able to choose the amount of driving
>> assistance we use and we also can override the assists to drive wherever we
>> want at any time just by manually steering. So we’re not limited to just
>> being a spectator as it were. The spatial audio is nothing short of amazing
>> so we can be as active as we choose when it comes to racing while still
>> letting the AI get us through the checkpoints during the race.
>> 
>> Also, we can actively steer our vehicle out of situations where we may be
>> stuck etc, or if we just want to go off of the GPS route. I often go
>> off-road during skill songs to get points by drifting etc. Once I then let
>> the AI take control of the car again, it will get me back to the road and
>> the route that I was on originally.
>> 
>> There are also stories in the game, which are made up of shorter, more
>> guided activities which contain a lot of narration and description of what
>> is going on and what we’re expected to do. Other folks may have more
>> feedback here, as I’ve only done just a few stories but from what I’ve seen
>> so far, just relying on the AI here is usually all that is required, but
>> within that context, there are other aspects of stories that do need other
>> interactions from us that we may be able to do. Overall though, since these
>> are described so well, these scenarios are very cool and fun.
>> 
>> There are unfortunately, way more menus that are not narrated than I’d like
>> to see, but some of this can be gotten around anyway. So for now, I’m still
>> very much supportive of this game and I think this really shows what just a
>> few added features can do for us. -Especially for something like a driving
>> game in this vein. Considering that this is a current and very popular game
>> in this genre, for us to have the level of access to this that we do is
>> seriously amazing!
>> 
>> anyway, hope this helps and gives you some insights into this. If you need
>> more specifics just let me know and I or someone else can respond.
>> 
>> Thanks Juan and have a great weekend!
>> 
>> Cheers!
>> 
>> Cara
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 15, 2022, at 3:54 PM, Juan Hernandez 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I am interested.  Can you speak to the game play? How you manage to
>>> navigate the game?
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: blind-gamers@groups.io <mailto:blind-gamers@groups.io>
>>> mailto:blind-gamers@groups.io>> On Behalf Of Cara
>>> Quinn
>>> Sent: Wednesday, J

Re: [blind-gamers] F1 Manager 2022

[Cara Quinn]

Hi Juan,

Regarding the game play; if you're already familiar with the Forza Horizon 
series? The game takes place in an open world environment in and around a 
fictional racing and music festival. In this version, the Horizon Festival is 
in Mexico. So the map offers many environments based on the various Mexican 
landscapes.

In the case of FH5, we now have spoken menus (with several caveats) and an 
Accessibility menu of options which allow us to independently play several 
portions of the game.

Unfortunately, the game has quite a few rough edges regarding full access to 
someone without any sight but conversely, also allows us to really experience a 
lot of enjoyment and get a lot out of the game.

I’ve posted before on the map so for more details on this, you may want to go 
back in the threads over the last couple of weeks on this. If you can’t locate 
the earlier messages, just let me know and I can re-post some of my earlier 
notes on this.

Essentially though, even though the map is not technically accessible without 
sight, there are a couple of game features which make it somewhat usable for us.

Also, the game as a GPS system and driving assists which allow us to 
independently drive from place to place in the game and take part in races. The 
full driving assistance uses the game’s own AI to drive our car for us.

the skill aspect of the interaction that we have in the game is limited, in the 
sense that we don’t have a whole lot of control of our driving (when using full 
assists) but we are able to choose the amount of driving assistance we use and 
we also can override the assists to drive wherever we want at any time just by 
manually steering. So we’re not limited to just being a spectator as it were. 
The spatial audio is nothing short of amazing so we can be as active as we 
choose when it comes to racing while still letting the AI get us through the 
checkpoints during the race.

Also, we can actively steer our vehicle out of situations where we may be stuck 
etc, or if we just want to go off of the GPS route. I often go off-road during 
skill songs to get points by drifting etc. Once I then let the AI take control 
of the car again, it will get me back to the road and the route that I was on 
originally.

There are also stories in the game, which are made up of shorter, more guided 
activities which contain a lot of narration and description of what is going on 
and what we’re expected to do. Other folks may have more feedback here, as I’ve 
only done just a few stories but from what I’ve seen so far, just relying on 
the AI here is usually all that is required, but within that context, there are 
other aspects of stories that do need other interactions from us that we may be 
able to do. Overall though, since these are described so well, these scenarios 
are very cool and fun.

There are unfortunately, way more menus that are not narrated than I’d like to 
see, but some of this can be gotten around anyway. So for now, I’m still very 
much supportive of this game and I think this really shows what just a few 
added features can do for us. -Especially for something like a driving game in 
this vein. Considering that this is a current and very popular game in this 
genre, for us to have the level of access to this that we do is seriously 
amazing!

anyway, hope this helps and gives you some insights into this. If you need more 
specifics just let me know and I or someone else can respond.

Thanks Juan and have a great weekend!

Cheers!

Cara



> On Jun 15, 2022, at 3:54 PM, Juan Hernandez  wrote:
> 
> I am interested.  Can you speak to the game play? How you manage to navigate 
> the game?
>  
> Best,
>  
>  
> From: blind-gamers@groups.io <mailto:blind-gamers@groups.io> 
> mailto:blind-gamers@groups.io>> On Behalf Of Cara 
> Quinn
> Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2022 2:38 PM
> To: blind-gamers@groups.io <mailto:blind-gamers@groups.io>
> Cc: Cara Quinn mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com>>
> Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] F1 Manager 2022
>  
> Hi Nick,
>  
> Welcome to the list. I don’t post often but have been doing so a bit more of 
> late.
>  
> I too love racing games and have just discovered that Forza Horizon 5 is 
> somewhat accessible, so this might be something you’re interested in. One or 
> two others here on the list are also playing it.
>  
> it’s definitely not perfect (with quite a few rough edges) but with a bit of 
> persistance, it can be quite a fun driving / racing experience.
>  
> If you’re interested and would like to know more, I can share more details. 
> -or someone else may chime in as well. Just let us know.
>  
> Have a great day and enjoy the list!
>  
> Cheers!
>  
> Cara
>  
>  
> 
> 
> On Jun 8, 2022, at 5:33 AM, Nickus de Vos  <mailto:sh...@zs6us.co.za>> wrote:
>  
> Hi all
> 
> I'm new to th

Re: [blind-gamers] Forza 5: Runaway Success Reward

[Cara Quinn]

Hey Joshua, you have to be at a festival location and then it’s in the Toon car 
menu. I’m not in front of the game just now but I think it’s called auto 
upgrade. When you’re on the pause menu, locate the go to home option and then 
you can access the auto upgrade from that tune car menu. Hope that makes sense.

Incidentally, I tried updating the Hoonigan before the on a wing and a prayer 
event and it wouldn’t let me. I have the car in my collection also, just like 
you do, so I haven’t yet tried updating there, rather than at the actual event. 
I’m not sure if that would matter. Also, I’m not even sure if it will allow a 
different car in that particular race. Haven’t checked yet.

I’m very curious about this so I will let you know more when I do.

Have an awesome evening!


Cheers!

Cara
> On Jun 8, 2022, at 6:43 PM, Joshua Tubbs  wrote:
> 
> 
> Where is the autoupgrades menu? Is that under tune car?
> 
>> On Wed, Jun 8, 2022 at 4:42 PM Cara Quinn  wrote:
>> Hi Joshua,
>> 
>> Ah, I actually thought that the plane always won as well. Where did you find 
>> that award? I looked in achievements but did not see it.
>> 
>> i would probably start by seeing if you can Auto-Upgrade the recommended car 
>> for that race. I believe it is a Hoonigan of some flavor?
>> 
>> Have you checked to see if there ar any available upgrades for it?
>> 
>> I let the game Auto-upgrade a 2013 SRT Viper and it did a fab job! So 
>> looking at upgrades for the recommended vehicle for that race might be 
>> helpful before trying a different car.
>> 
>> Just some thoughts…
>> 
>> Let us know how it goes.
>> 
>> Cheers!
>> 
>> Cara
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 6, 2022, at 10:19 AM, Joshua Tubbs  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> Does anybody know if there's a way to get this reward with the assists we 
>>> use? I actually didn't think it was possible to win given the recommended 
>>> car and the fact that you're racing an airplane, I thought it was just a 
>>> scripted loss.
>>> The reward in question is Runaway Success, rewarded for winning the A Wing 
>>> on a Prayer showcase event.
>>> I just completed the Coast to Coast story of Horizon Apex which had a 
>>> pretty fast car. I'm not sure if it was unlocked after completion but that 
>>> might be the right car to get the job done.
>>> I hope that after I get this reward, Anna will stop bringing me to it when 
>>> I try to request accolades to set a route to find more stories.
>>> I've been attempting to use the map and I've been filtering it down. I 
>>> found Emerald circuit, an eventlab event when I didn't even ask for that on 
>>> the map.
>> 
> 
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Re: [blind-gamers] No joy from Draconis

[Cara Quinn]

Tyler, thanks very much. We appreciate it. Have a great evening!

Cheers!

Cara
> On Jun 6, 2022, at 2:37 PM, Tyler Chambliss  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Hey, if yall need a sound designer, hit me up. It would be cool to be able  
> to do some sound for such a historic audio game company.
> 
>> On Mon, Jun 6, 2022 at 3:35 PM Shaun Everiss  wrote:
>> Well if you ever need testers I'd be happy to  test for you.
>> 
>> You have been round in various forms since the start.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 7/06/2022 7:31 am, Cara Quinn wrote:
>>> Hi Joshua,
>>> 
>>> Yes, we are still working on games and with luck, we will hopefully have 
>>> some new announcements over the summer.
>>> 
>>> Cheers!
>>> 
>>> Cara
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 6, 2022, at 10:16 AM, Joshua Tubbs  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Is Draconis still working on games? I know Josh is an author now so it 
>>>> might be best to sell the company if life is taking him in a different 
>>>> direction...
>>>> 
>>>> On Mon, Jun 6, 2022 at 11:36 AM Cara Quinn  wrote:
>>>>> Hey David,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I meant to send this earlier this past weekend but life happened. 
>>>>> -Apologies.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Draconis is most definitely still alive so no worries on making a 
>>>>> purchase if you like.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Regarding Change Reaction; Personally, since I am a Mac person rather 
>>>>> than Windows, I cannot offer specifics on how to do this, but one 
>>>>> possibility may be that you’ve used up your activations for the game and 
>>>>> may need to reset them? Have you checked this?
>>>>> 
>>>>> We will be digging into the server a bit deeper later this week so if I 
>>>>> learn anything else, I’ll let you know.
>>>>> 
>>>>> For now though, I hope this helps.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Cheers!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Cara
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jun 5, 2022, at 1:23 PM, David Reynolds  
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> Still can’t register Change Reaction. Is the fact that Draconis is still 
>>>>>> alive a rumour?
>>>>>> I even thought about getting Alien Outback, but things being as they 
>>>>>> are, I’m concerned.
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> David.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>> 
> 
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Re: [blind-gamers] F1 Manager 2022

[Cara Quinn]

Hi Nick,

Welcome to the list. I don’t post often but have been doing so a bit more of 
late.

I too love racing games and have just discovered that Forza Horizon 5 is 
somewhat accessible, so this might be something you’re interested in. One or 
two others here on the list are also playing it.

it’s definitely not perfect (with quite a few rough edges) but with a bit of 
persistance, it can be quite a fun driving / racing experience.

If you’re interested and would like to know more, I can share more details. -or 
someone else may chime in as well. Just let us know.

Have a great day and enjoy the list!

Cheers!

Cara



> On Jun 8, 2022, at 5:33 AM, Nickus de Vos  wrote:
> 
> Hi all
> 
> I'm new to this list.
> 
> One aspect of gaming I really miss since losing a lot of my eye site years 
> ago is sports, cricket, rugby racing games etc.
> 
> Yesterday I came across this new title which will be launching later this 
> year. Note this is not the F1 22 game, this is a different game which is pure 
> management.
> 
> I wonder if anyone know something with regards to the accessibility of this 
> game or similar games. It would be really awesome if developers can make 
> games like these accessible.
> 
> Nick
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Testing for Draconis -was- Re: [blind-gamers] No joy from Draconis

[Cara Quinn]

Shawn and Dennis,

Thanks to the both of you.

Appreciate that! will keep you in mind.

Have a great day!

Cheers!

Cara



> On Jun 6, 2022, at 2:35 PM, Shaun Everiss  wrote:
> 
> Well if you ever need testers I'd be happy to  test for you.
> 
> You have been round in various forms since the start.
> 
> 
> 
> On 7/06/2022 7:31 am, Cara Quinn wrote:
>> Hi Joshua,
>> 
>> Yes, we are still working on games and with luck, we will hopefully have 
>> some new announcements over the summer.
>> 
>> Cheers!
>> 
>> Cara
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 6, 2022, at 10:16 AM, Joshua Tubbs >> <mailto:orin8...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Is Draconis still working on games? I know Josh is an author now so it 
>>> might be best to sell the company if life is taking him in a different 
>>> direction...
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Jun 6, 2022 at 11:36 AM Cara Quinn >> <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com>> wrote:
>>> Hey David,
>>> 
>>> I meant to send this earlier this past weekend but life happened. 
>>> -Apologies.
>>> 
>>> Draconis is most definitely still alive so no worries on making a purchase 
>>> if you like.
>>> 
>>> Regarding Change Reaction; Personally, since I am a Mac person rather than 
>>> Windows, I cannot offer specifics on how to do this, but one possibility 
>>> may be that you’ve used up your activations for the game and may need to 
>>> reset them? Have you checked this?
>>> 
>>> We will be digging into the server a bit deeper later this week so if I 
>>> learn anything else, I’ll let you know.
>>> 
>>> For now though, I hope this helps.
>>> 
>>> Cheers!
>>> 
>>> Cara
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 5, 2022, at 1:23 PM, David Reynolds >>> <mailto:da...@dkreynolds.plus.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>>  
>>>> Still can’t register Change Reaction. Is the fact that Draconis is still 
>>>> alive a rumour?
>>>> I even thought about getting Alien Outback, but things being as they are, 
>>>> I’m concerned.
>>>>  
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>  
>>>> David.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
> 
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Re: [blind-gamers] Using the Map and accolades on Forza Horizon 5 (XBox)

[Cara Quinn]

Hey Joshua,

Thanks, I’m playing on an Xbox S so will see about using my phone to OCR the 
screen.

Thanks for the tip!

Cheers!

Cara



> On Jun 4, 2022, at 4:38 PM, Joshua Tubbs  wrote:
> 
> I used OCR to get the placement of that event. I'm playing on xbox cloud 
> gaming, so just OCR the screen on PC.
> HTH.
> 
> On Sat, Jun 4, 2022 at 2:47 PM Cara Quinn  <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com>> wrote:
> Hey Joshua!
> 
> Awesome! Very glad you are getting going with this! :)
> 
> I pretty much always find that I need to turn around or back out of an event. 
> I kind of wish that the game would just do that for you automatically but I 
> think it leaves you exactly where you were when you arrived, so that is why 
> you’re probably seeing this sort of thing happen.
> 
> I deal with it too. :) I usually just back out or slowly turn around so that 
> the AI can have time to pick up steering.
> 
> Then, when I’m back out on the road, I’ll accelerate.
> 
> Yes, the left trigger is reverse.
> 
> I think you’ll always finish second in On a Wing and a Prayer; You’re racing 
> an airplane so it’s always going to win in this case. :) You may beat the 
> bikes but the plane will always win.
> 
> BTW, how did you know you were second? Did you have some sighted assistance? 
> I ask because I’ve done the event more than once on purpose, (both with and 
> without sighted assistance) so we were able to see that we came in second 
> after the plane but the screen reader doesn’t announce that. So I was just 
> wondering if you found a  magic setting that announces this sort of thing! :) 
> I would love it if you did.
> 
> I’m about to go and play for a while now with a friend and I’ll also test a 
> possible way to use the map filters to have Anna direct you to different 
> classes of race. So we’ll see if this works.
> 
> Anyway, happy driving and hope you’re having a great weekend!
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> Cara
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 3, 2022, at 10:58 PM, Joshua Tubbs > <mailto:orin8...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Cara and all,
>> I've made more progress. I have unlocked Anna, though I can use the map okay 
>> if I need to.
>> Reverse by default is left trigger right? At the default festival place I 
>> always get stuck there every single time. Even though all assists are on, 
>> how can I help the assist to steer and minimize that from happening?
>> On a side note, I keep finishing second in On a Wing and a Prair. Any tips 
>> on winning it so that Anna doesn't keep freaking taking me there when i use 
>> her instead of the map?
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 11:00 PM Joshua Tubbs via groups.io 
>> <http://groups.io/> > <mailto:gmail@groups.io>> wrote:
>> Hi Kara,
>> So I'm at the part where your manager woman says "I got a couple request in 
>> and they're looking for a talented driver." I believe this is where you can 
>> either select the Jag barn find or the storm but I don't know if these are 
>> accolades or what? Unfortunately the actual accolades menu is locked at this 
>> stage, so it's strictly using the map here. Anna is also locked at this 
>> point. I know when I click on one of these the game will say, "Okay, I'll 
>> let them know you want that one." So I'm not sure if by default when I bring 
>> up the map if it's already filtered for ease of use as I think its basically 
>> finishing up the tutorial, or if I filter it down to stories I hold the left 
>> and right on dPad and I get one or two clickable things to click, and none 
>> appear to be what the game wants to progress.
>> Any help would be appreciated.
>> 
>> On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 9:06 PM Joshua Tubbs via groups.io 
>> <http://groups.io/> > <mailto:gmail@groups.io>> wrote:
>> It actually does, thanks. I'll try this later.
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 7:48 PM Cara Quinn > <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com>> wrote:
>> Ah, one more thing, when you’re in the filter screen and you’ve chosen a 
>> filter, don’t forget to press the B button to exit back to the map so you 
>> can search for what you want.
>> 
>> Hope this helps and happy driving!
>> 
>> Cheers!
>> 
>> Cara
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 1, 2022, at 3:22 PM, Joshua Tubbs >> <mailto:orin8...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm trying to choose the first story event on the map, the one where your 
>>> manager says they want a driver to take pictures of a storm or the other 
>>> one, I forgot.
>>> While there is an aud

Re: [blind-gamers] Forza 5: Runaway Success Reward

[Cara Quinn]

Hi Joshua,

Ah, I actually thought that the plane always won as well. Where did you find 
that award? I looked in achievements but did not see it.

i would probably start by seeing if you can Auto-Upgrade the recommended car 
for that race. I believe it is a Hoonigan of some flavor?

Have you checked to see if there ar any available upgrades for it?

I let the game Auto-upgrade a 2013 SRT Viper and it did a fab job! So looking 
at upgrades for the recommended vehicle for that race might be helpful before 
trying a different car.

Just some thoughts…

Let us know how it goes.

Cheers!

Cara



> On Jun 6, 2022, at 10:19 AM, Joshua Tubbs  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> Does anybody know if there's a way to get this reward with the assists we 
> use? I actually didn't think it was possible to win given the recommended car 
> and the fact that you're racing an airplane, I thought it was just a scripted 
> loss.
> The reward in question is Runaway Success, rewarded for winning the A Wing on 
> a Prayer showcase event.
> I just completed the Coast to Coast story of Horizon Apex which had a pretty 
> fast car. I'm not sure if it was unlocked after completion but that might be 
> the right car to get the job done.
> I hope that after I get this reward, Anna will stop bringing me to it when I 
> try to request accolades to set a route to find more stories.
> I've been attempting to use the map and I've been filtering it down. I found 
> Emerald circuit, an eventlab event when I didn't even ask for that on the map.
> 



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Re: [blind-gamers] No joy from Draconis

[Cara Quinn]

Hi David,

You’re contacting Draconis right now. :) I’m officially part owner of the 
company at this point.

I absolutely understand your concerns and just know that you’re being heard and 
that this actually does matter to us.

As I mentioned to Joshua, we hope to have some announcements this summer so 
please stay tuned. It really does mean a lot to us that you and others are 
still showing support for Draconis and are still enjoying the games!

Now, regarding reseting activations, since this was all set up way before my 
time with the company, you’d be far better served looking in the game manual 
itself.

Again, I’m also not a windows user so I do not know where to tell you to start 
with this.

If you cannot find anything in your game manual on this, let me know (either 
on-list or privately) and I’ll see if I can find anything on my end that will 
get you started.

My apologies I can’t be of more help just at the minute. I don’t have any info 
for this in front of me just now.

Best of luck and please let me know if you need me to do some research on this 
end.

Thanks David and have a great day!

Cheers!

Cara


> On Jun 6, 2022, at 11:56 AM, David Reynolds  wrote:
> 
> Cara,
>  
> I can’t contact Draconis, and I’m unlikely to buy anything unless there is 
> reliable support.
> My first suggestion would be to do away with the helpdesk software which 
> clearly isn’t doing its job correctly.
> If others like me have similar experiences, they’re likely to assume that 
> Draconis is no longer in existence, and that the web site simply hasn’t been 
> taken down.
> How can I reset my activations?
>  
> Many thanks,
>  
> David.
>  
> From: blind-gamers@groups.io <mailto:blind-gamers@groups.io> 
> mailto:blind-gamers@groups.io>> On Behalf Of Joshua 
> Tubbs
> Sent: 06 June 2022 17:16
> To: blind-gamers@groups.io <mailto:blind-gamers@groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] No joy from Draconis
>  
> Is Draconis still working on games? I know Josh is an author now so it might 
> be best to sell the company if life is taking him in a different direction...
>  
> On Mon, Jun 6, 2022 at 11:36 AM Cara Quinn  <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com>> wrote:
> Hey David,
>  
> I meant to send this earlier this past weekend but life happened. -Apologies.
>  
> Draconis is most definitely still alive so no worries on making a purchase if 
> you like.
>  
> Regarding Change Reaction; Personally, since I am a Mac person rather than 
> Windows, I cannot offer specifics on how to do this, but one possibility may 
> be that you’ve used up your activations for the game and may need to reset 
> them? Have you checked this?
>  
> We will be digging into the server a bit deeper later this week so if I learn 
> anything else, I’ll let you know.
>  
> For now though, I hope this helps.
>  
> Cheers!
>  
> Cara
>  
>  
> 
> 
> On Jun 5, 2022, at 1:23 PM, David Reynolds  <mailto:da...@dkreynolds.plus.com>> wrote:
>  
> Hi,
>  
> Still can’t register Change Reaction. Is the fact that Draconis is still 
> alive a rumour?
> I even thought about getting Alien Outback, but things being as they are, I’m 
> concerned.
>  
> Thanks,
>  
> David.
>  
> 



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Re: [blind-gamers] No joy from Draconis

[Cara Quinn]

Hi Joshua,

Yes, we are still working on games and with luck, we will hopefully have some 
new announcements over the summer.

Cheers!

Cara



> On Jun 6, 2022, at 10:16 AM, Joshua Tubbs  wrote:
> 
> Is Draconis still working on games? I know Josh is an author now so it might 
> be best to sell the company if life is taking him in a different direction...
> 
> On Mon, Jun 6, 2022 at 11:36 AM Cara Quinn  <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com>> wrote:
> Hey David,
> 
> I meant to send this earlier this past weekend but life happened. -Apologies.
> 
> Draconis is most definitely still alive so no worries on making a purchase if 
> you like.
> 
> Regarding Change Reaction; Personally, since I am a Mac person rather than 
> Windows, I cannot offer specifics on how to do this, but one possibility may 
> be that you’ve used up your activations for the game and may need to reset 
> them? Have you checked this?
> 
> We will be digging into the server a bit deeper later this week so if I learn 
> anything else, I’ll let you know.
> 
> For now though, I hope this helps.
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> Cara
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 5, 2022, at 1:23 PM, David Reynolds > <mailto:da...@dkreynolds.plus.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>>  
>> Still can’t register Change Reaction. Is the fact that Draconis is still 
>> alive a rumour?
>> I even thought about getting Alien Outback, but things being as they are, 
>> I’m concerned.
>>  
>> Thanks,
>>  
>> David.
> 
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Re: [blind-gamers] No joy from Draconis

[Cara Quinn]

Hi Trahern,

While not the game types you’re asking about, right now, the titles we have 
available for Mac are Change Reaction and Silver Dollar Saloon. These should be 
back in the App Store in the next few weeks, with a little luck. :)

It looks like Apple has pulled them due to them not requiring updates in a year 
or two.

I’ll post here when I have a more firm date on re-release.

Thanks Trahern, and have a great day!

Cheers!

Cara



> On Jun 6, 2022, at 10:07 AM, Trahern Culver  wrote:
> 
>  Hi David sorry to hijack the thread. Hi Kara do you know if Draconis has any 
> good platform games or multiplayer online games for Mac? Thanks very much for 
> your help :-) 
> 
> On 6 Jun 2022, at 16:36, Cara Quinn  wrote:
> 
> Hey David,
> 
> I meant to send this earlier this past weekend but life happened. -Apologies.
> 
> Draconis is most definitely still alive so no worries on making a purchase if 
> you like.
> 
> Regarding Change Reaction; Personally, since I am a Mac person rather than 
> Windows, I cannot offer specifics on how to do this, but one possibility may 
> be that you’ve used up your activations for the game and may need to reset 
> them? Have you checked this?
> 
> We will be digging into the server a bit deeper later this week so if I learn 
> anything else, I’ll let you know.
> 
> For now though, I hope this helps.
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> Cara
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 5, 2022, at 1:23 PM, David Reynolds > <mailto:da...@dkreynolds.plus.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>>  
>> Still can’t register Change Reaction. Is the fact that Draconis is still 
>> alive a rumour?
>> I even thought about getting Alien Outback, but things being as they are, 
>> I’m concerned.
>>  
>> Thanks,
>>  
>> David.
> 
> 



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Re: [blind-gamers] No joy from Draconis

[Cara Quinn]

Hey David,

I meant to send this earlier this past weekend but life happened. -Apologies.

Draconis is most definitely still alive so no worries on making a purchase if 
you like.

Regarding Change Reaction; Personally, since I am a Mac person rather than 
Windows, I cannot offer specifics on how to do this, but one possibility may be 
that you’ve used up your activations for the game and may need to reset them? 
Have you checked this?

We will be digging into the server a bit deeper later this week so if I learn 
anything else, I’ll let you know.

For now though, I hope this helps.

Cheers!

Cara



> On Jun 5, 2022, at 1:23 PM, David Reynolds  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
>  
> Still can’t register Change Reaction. Is the fact that Draconis is still 
> alive a rumour?
> I even thought about getting Alien Outback, but things being as they are, I’m 
> concerned.
>  
> Thanks,
>  
> David.
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Re: [blind-gamers] Using the Map and accolades on Forza Horizon 5 (XBox)

[Cara Quinn]

Hey Joshua!

Awesome! Very glad you are getting going with this! :)

I pretty much always find that I need to turn around or back out of an event. I 
kind of wish that the game would just do that for you automatically but I think 
it leaves you exactly where you were when you arrived, so that is why you’re 
probably seeing this sort of thing happen.

I deal with it too. :) I usually just back out or slowly turn around so that 
the AI can have time to pick up steering.

Then, when I’m back out on the road, I’ll accelerate.

Yes, the left trigger is reverse.

I think you’ll always finish second in On a Wing and a Prayer; You’re racing an 
airplane so it’s always going to win in this case. :) You may beat the bikes 
but the plane will always win.

BTW, how did you know you were second? Did you have some sighted assistance? I 
ask because I’ve done the event more than once on purpose, (both with and 
without sighted assistance) so we were able to see that we came in second after 
the plane but the screen reader doesn’t announce that. So I was just wondering 
if you found a  magic setting that announces this sort of thing! :) I would 
love it if you did.

I’m about to go and play for a while now with a friend and I’ll also test a 
possible way to use the map filters to have Anna direct you to different 
classes of race. So we’ll see if this works.

Anyway, happy driving and hope you’re having a great weekend!

Cheers!

Cara



> On Jun 3, 2022, at 10:58 PM, Joshua Tubbs  wrote:
> 
> Hello Cara and all,
> I've made more progress. I have unlocked Anna, though I can use the map okay 
> if I need to.
> Reverse by default is left trigger right? At the default festival place I 
> always get stuck there every single time. Even though all assists are on, how 
> can I help the assist to steer and minimize that from happening?
> On a side note, I keep finishing second in On a Wing and a Prair. Any tips on 
> winning it so that Anna doesn't keep freaking taking me there when i use her 
> instead of the map?
> Thanks.
> 
> On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 11:00 PM Joshua Tubbs via groups.io 
> <http://groups.io/>  <mailto:gmail@groups.io>> wrote:
> Hi Kara,
> So I'm at the part where your manager woman says "I got a couple request in 
> and they're looking for a talented driver." I believe this is where you can 
> either select the Jag barn find or the storm but I don't know if these are 
> accolades or what? Unfortunately the actual accolades menu is locked at this 
> stage, so it's strictly using the map here. Anna is also locked at this 
> point. I know when I click on one of these the game will say, "Okay, I'll let 
> them know you want that one." So I'm not sure if by default when I bring up 
> the map if it's already filtered for ease of use as I think its basically 
> finishing up the tutorial, or if I filter it down to stories I hold the left 
> and right on dPad and I get one or two clickable things to click, and none 
> appear to be what the game wants to progress.
> Any help would be appreciated.
> 
> On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 9:06 PM Joshua Tubbs via groups.io <http://groups.io/> 
> mailto:gmail@groups.io>> wrote:
> It actually does, thanks. I'll try this later.
> 
> 
> On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 7:48 PM Cara Quinn  <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com>> wrote:
> Ah, one more thing, when you’re in the filter screen and you’ve chosen a 
> filter, don’t forget to press the B button to exit back to the map so you can 
> search for what you want.
> 
> Hope this helps and happy driving!
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> Cara
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 1, 2022, at 3:22 PM, Joshua Tubbs > <mailto:orin8...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> I'm trying to choose the first story event on the map, the one where your 
>> manager says they want a driver to take pictures of a storm or the other 
>> one, I forgot.
>> While there is an audible click when you drop a pin on a location, who knows 
>> whether it's an event or what. I wish the filter menu was narrated since 
>> when scrolling through the items with OCR I can't really tell which option 
>> my cursor is on.
>> The story option filter is way down the list of filter options. So I clear 
>> the map, hit down once and check new stuff, which since I'm early should 
>> only show stuff needed to progress.
>> Any tips on this? Perhaps one of the items I need to progress doesn't 
>> actually click when I move to it, just when I hit A to drop a pin on it.
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 4:50 PM Cara Quinn > <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com>> wrote:
>> I’d forgotten to mention that you can also easily clear a route from the map 
>> by simply opening the map and then pressing the A button o

Re: [blind-gamers] Using the Map and accolades on Forza Horizon 5 (XBox)

[Cara Quinn]

Hi Zack,

First off, my apologies for my late response. :)

I’m glad you got through the opening game scenes.

Were you able to activate all of the assists in the difficulty menu?

If not, then you should definitely go there and look at the assists that are 
available. The most important one is steering.

Congratulations. If you’re hearing Anna then you’ve successfully set a route so 
cool beans! :)

If you have steering assist set to auto steer, then you can accelerate with the 
right trigger and the game’s AI should steer for you. This does not mean that 
you will never find yourself in a situation that you will need to steer out of, 
it just means that during most of your driving, the game will manage it for you 
and will get you where you need to go almost all of the time. -And, pretty much 
you can absolutely rely on this in races and most of the time in stories. I’ve 
never needed to manually get myself out of a jam in a race but have needed to 
do this in stories.

I focus mainly on drifting at crazy speeds and stunt driving, as well as doing 
races but may attempt more stories as time goes on. :) We’ll see. One cool 
thing with Anna, is that for Danger Signs, which are locations in the game 
where you can do jumps and such, Anna seems to guide you right to the ramp 
itself and all the way up it as you make the actual jump. So it is just crazy 
fun! lol! :)

Anyway, while the game AI that drives you, is really really good (amazing 
actually) it’s not perfect and some of that is by design. So occasionally, 
you’ll need to listen to your environment etc and may need to make some of your 
own adjustments if you find yourself stuck.

This can happen if you get into a bad accident by traveling too fast etc.

Sometimes all you need to do is to simply back up and then ease forward again 
and the game’s AI will continue steering you in the right direction for the 
route you are presently on.

Hope all of this is helpful.

Cheers!

Cara




> On Jun 4, 2022, at 7:16 AM, Zachary Kline  wrote:
> 
> Hi there,
> 
> How do you unlock Anna? I was trying to Google but only found people 
> suggesting to disable her, which isn’t what i want obviously.
> 
> I’m also stuck trying too igure out how to move on from the first horizon 
> festival location. I select a route on the map and sometimes hear what sounds 
> like turn-by-turn directions, but can never seem to follow them.
> Any advice here?
> Thanks,
> Zack.
> 
>> On Jun 3, 2022, at 9:58 PM, Joshua Tubbs > <mailto:orin8...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Cara and all,
>> I've made more progress. I have unlocked Anna, though I can use the map okay 
>> if I need to.
>> Reverse by default is left trigger right? At the default festival place I 
>> always get stuck there every single time. Even though all assists are on, 
>> how can I help the assist to steer and minimize that from happening?
>> On a side note, I keep finishing second in On a Wing and a Prair. Any tips 
>> on winning it so that Anna doesn't keep freaking taking me there when i use 
>> her instead of the map?
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 11:00 PM Joshua Tubbs via groups.io 
>> <http://groups.io/> > <mailto:gmail@groups.io>> wrote:
>> Hi Kara,
>> So I'm at the part where your manager woman says "I got a couple request in 
>> and they're looking for a talented driver." I believe this is where you can 
>> either select the Jag barn find or the storm but I don't know if these are 
>> accolades or what? Unfortunately the actual accolades menu is locked at this 
>> stage, so it's strictly using the map here. Anna is also locked at this 
>> point. I know when I click on one of these the game will say, "Okay, I'll 
>> let them know you want that one." So I'm not sure if by default when I bring 
>> up the map if it's already filtered for ease of use as I think its basically 
>> finishing up the tutorial, or if I filter it down to stories I hold the left 
>> and right on dPad and I get one or two clickable things to click, and none 
>> appear to be what the game wants to progress.
>> Any help would be appreciated.
>> 
>> On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 9:06 PM Joshua Tubbs via groups.io 
>> <http://groups.io/> > <mailto:gmail@groups.io>> wrote:
>> It actually does, thanks. I'll try this later.
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 7:48 PM Cara Quinn > <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com>> wrote:
>> Ah, one more thing, when you’re in the filter screen and you’ve chosen a 
>> filter, don’t forget to press the B button to exit back to the map so you 
>> can search for what you want.
>> 
>> Hope this helps and happy driving!
>> 
>> Cheers!

Re: [blind-gamers] Change reaction

[Cara Quinn]

Hi David,

So sorry for the inconvenience with this.

Just wanted to let you and others know we are working on this. We checked the 
server tonight and all looks good with it. We’ll check this in more detail 
tomorrow though and if I have anything else that might help, I’ll go ahead and 
post here.

My apologies once again, and please have a great night!

Cheers!

Cara


> On Jun 2, 2022, at 3:32 PM, David Reynolds  wrote:
> 
> This program no longer accepts my licence key.
> I tried contacting Draconis, but with no success. I got various automated 
> messages, but no human response. Are they still running?
> I know that their web site is still running, and you can still buy games, but 
> that isn’t the same thing.
>  
> Thanks,
>  
> David.
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Re: [blind-gamers] Using the Map and accolades on Forza Horizon 5 (XBox)

[Cara Quinn]

Hey Joshua,

Glad you were able to get some help to get to what you wanted. Sorry it was 
such a pain. The game does have its issues and I’m not justifying them, but it 
is definitely doable and is really fun if you really like driving. Again, I’m 
not playing with someone sighted because I need to for the game, I’m just 
playing with them because it’s fun! :) -You understand. -But yes, the game 
could definitely be a whole lot friendlier to those of us who need it. :)

The game absolutely will let you go to events in any order you choose. I know 
because I did a showcase event race before I did either of the accolades I 
mentioned. The game absolutely does not force you to do the story. If you want 
to find the showcase I did first, it is called On a Wing and a Prayer, and if 
you are with someone sighted, there will be an airplane on the map where it is.

Regarding the map, I actually use the map almost all of the time and usually do 
not use Anna directly. This is without sighted help.

You’re right in that it is not just moving left or right, or moving around 
randomly. What I was suggesting was that you move up or down the map in left / 
right rows with the D pad. Depending on how much you are showing on the map, 
this is not super difficult or time consuming as there can be a lot of things 
actually showing.

So I do not usually need to go very far unless I really filter the map down to 
one specific category with very few points on it. Otherwise, I can usually find 
an event or race to go to pretty quickly.

If you just hold down the left or right D pad your cursor will move all the way 
across the map in that direction. If you then click up or down once or twice, 
and then go back the opposite way (left or right) you will make another row 
across the map. The cursor moves pretty fast so this does not take much time at 
all. -And, you will hear a click when you get to an important location. So if 
you just stop there and drop a pin, you should be fine, and Anna will 
automatically be set to that location when you exit the map.

Yes, you can choose any location on the map and Anna will take you there, even 
if it is out in the middle of nowhere. I like to do this a lot because I find 
cool things. :) It is also possible to find events along the way that you can 
participate in. While Anna won’t announce them, the screen reader should 
announce these as you pass them and tell you to press X to enter the event. If 
you press X quickly or are able to stop quickly and then press it, you should 
be able to enter that event before you pass it. If you miss it, you can also 
back up and the screen reader should announce it for you. As I said this game 
is far from perfect, but it is definitely fun if you can come to terms with 
it’s quirks.

The Welcome to Mexico group of accolades is exactly what you should be seeing 
at this point and you should be able to enter those accolades from there. I was 
able to do this myself. I’ll check back in tomorrow and detail this further if 
you need me to. Very glad you were able to make progress today! :) Have a great 
evening!

Cheers!

Cara



> On Jun 2, 2022, at 5:09 PM, Joshua Tubbs  wrote:
> 
> Hello Cara,
> Yes, I got some sighted help to help me get to that event where you find the 
> truck. Then you drive it and park it somewhere.
> Now that accolades are unlocked for me via the accolades menu, and Anna isn't 
> unlocked yet, how can I make progress going forward? You have to select a 
> route for Anna to guide you there, and selecting routes on the map is a pain. 
> Even with the dPad it's not just a simple move left or right etc, it's move 
> around until you hear clicks and hope that you find something. Because on the 
> map you might be on an empty space and you can just press A and it will set a 
> pin there even though no notable events are actually there.
> What I mean is, before Anna unlocks, you have to use the map. When she's 
> unlocked you can use the dPad down to just automatically plot a route to the 
> nearest accolade, among other things.
> I have to look at your message on the accolades menu because the only one 
> that's unlocked, category wise for me, is Welcome to Mexico. This is what I 
> mean about story events in the first to second part of the game, the game 
> actually is linear there, at some points forcing you to select a specific 
> thing on the map before you can back out of it. A key example is when you 
> have to select which events you want to open first. Whether it be drag 
> racing, cross country, stunts etc. I imagine you got through all these 
> barriors with your friend so you might not remember what I'm talking 
> about/your experience was different because of sighted help.
> 
> On Thu, Jun 2, 2022 at 5:14 PM Cara Quinn  <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com>> wrote:
> Hi Zachary,
> 
> Glad I could inspire you to try it! :)
&g

Re: [blind-gamers] Using the Map and accolades on Forza Horizon 5 (XBox)

[Cara Quinn]

Hi Zachary,

Glad I could inspire you to try it! :)

As I’d mentioned to Joshua, it’s definitely not perfect but I’m finding it to 
be super fun and a bit more accessible than folks seem to be saying online.

My original post was meant for those who were already familiar with the game 
but if you’re not, I want to mention right away, about how to actually get the 
accessibility features active because the game is absolutely horrible in that 
regard, and I want to save you and others the frustration I had.

When you start the game, you need to press the X button on the controller to 
get into the Accessibility menu. What I do, is press D pad up three times. (You 
should hear little clicks as you move through menu options) This should get you 
to the screen reader option. Once there, press D pad right once and then press 
the menu button. This should cause the screen reader to then be activated.

If this does not work, then you may need to get sighted help as it may have 
placed you in the Settings menu rather than straight into Accessibility. If 
this is the case, you will most likely be focused on the Difficulty menu, which 
is one option above Accessibility. So in this case, you would need to go down 
one option and then press A to enter the Accessibility menu. From there you can 
just follow the above instructions and you should be good to go.

I hope this makes some sort of sense. They really dropped the ball in this 
regard so I wish you the very best of luck and here’s hoping you get the screen 
narration active easily! :)

Once you have speech going, you will want to locate the Difficulty menu and go 
in there.

What I did when starting out was simply to change two things:

I changed the Drivetar difficulty to Tourist and also set the profile to All 
assists. This will set your driving assist to Auto Drive.

This way you will be able to automatically follow routes that Anna guides you 
on.

I hope this helps and as I’d mentioned earlier in the thread, I’ll definitely 
post when / if I learn anything new that may be of more help.

Happy Driving! :)

Cheers!

Cara



> On Jun 2, 2022, at 8:39 AM, Zachary Kline  wrote:
> 
> Hey,
> 
> I just wanted to thank you for this detail description. I was not previously 
> all that interested in trying this game, but I am curious now, and I saw that 
> it is available
> Hey,
> 
> I just wanted to thank you for this detail description. I was not previously 
> all that interested in trying this game, but I am curious now, and I saw that 
> it is available on GamePass so figured it is worth a shot. I will see how I 
> make out :) 
> 
> best,
> Zack. 
> 
>> On Jun 1, 2022, at 9:03 PM, Cara Quinn  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Joshua, I’ll look at this in the morning, but I believe that you can 
>> still click on those points on the map. What happens if you locate those 
>> positions that you can click on and set a route to one of them? Are you able 
>> to travel there?
>> 
>> I think I remember having the same issue but for me, it let me click on 
>> another place on the map and do a race. So I first did a race and then I did 
>> one of the events.
>> 
>> So for me I didn’t do the story right away, I first did at least one race 
>> and then I went back and did a part of the story. I don’t remember the exact 
>> order but I remember that I was able to do races before I did the story.
>> 
>> 
>> Sorry for the frustration, as I said I’ll try to figure this out in the 
>> morning and see if I can offer any more help.
>> 
>> Have a great night! 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Cheers!
>> 
>> Cara
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 1, 2022, at 9:00 PM, Joshua Tubbs  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi Kara,
>>> So I'm at the part where your manager woman says "I got a couple request in 
>>> and they're looking for a talented driver." I believe this is where you can 
>>> either select the Jag barn find or the storm but I don't know if these are 
>>> accolades or what? Unfortunately the actual accolades menu is locked at 
>>> this stage, so it's strictly using the map here. Anna is also locked at 
>>> this point. I know when I click on one of these the game will say, "Okay, 
>>> I'll let them know you want that one." So I'm not sure if by default when I 
>>> bring up the map if it's already filtered for ease of use as I think its 
>>> basically finishing up the tutorial, or if I filter it down to stories I 
>>> hold the left and right on dPad and I get one or two clickable things to 
>>> click, and none appear to be what the game wants to progress.
>>> Any help would be appreciated.
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 9:06 PM Joshua Tubbs 

Re: [blind-gamers] Using the Map and accolades on Forza Horizon 5 (XBox)

[Cara Quinn]

Hi Joshua,

Were you able to actually go to any other events?

I meant to say last night, that the game is not linear. So you can go to 
whatever is available to you anytime you want. This is the way the game is 
meant to be played. When they announce an accolade to you like that, it doesn’t 
mean that you need to do that right then. It just means that it is available to 
you. So basically, they’re just telling you that it is unlocked for you and 
they’re also doing a bit of hand-holding so you know about that type of event 
in future. You’re not missing anything by waiting on doing them.

You can also set routes to anywhere at all on the map even if there is no event 
there at all. So you can actually drive anywhere on the map. This will help you 
earn points and also help you possibly locate available events along the way 
that you may not know about from the map yet.

You get points for going off-road in this game as well. It can be a little 
disturbing if you’re like me and the sounds of car damage make you squeamish! 
lol! it’s fun though and will earn you lots of points.

There’s really no way to completely avoid collisions in the game, as some of 
the other drivers you’ll encounter can more than occasionally behave like 
idiots! lol! -Even going so far as to occasionally smack into you when you’re 
parked.

anyway, when I did the first accolade, (the one about the storm) I was playing 
with a friend. (not because I needed the help, but because I was wanting to 
share the game) Anna will still guide you and the photo mode is accessible as 
well, by using D Pad up. So in that case, all you need to do is let her guide 
you to the destination and then take a photo. So once you are able to access 
this one, you should have no problem doing it.

For the Jaguar, I did some of it on my own and then picked it back up with a 
friend later. Again, because I wanted to share the game, not because the story 
wasn’t accessible. This one may be a bit more difficult without sight though. I 
actually found items doing it on my own that my friend could not find, so this 
one just takes a little more work than the first one all around, whether you 
can see or not. Barn finds are not easy. I’m not sure if these will remain 
accessible further on in the game because they are meant to be a little hard to 
find and Anna just drops you in the general vicinity of them. So they just take 
a lot of exploring. We’ll see if it’s more fun or frustration. :)

All of the other events that I’ve done so far, I’ve done by myself. So they are 
definitely accessible at least to the point of being doable without sight. The 
game is definitely not perfect in regard to accessibility but I keep being 
surprised at what is actually available to us.

As I said, the game is not meant to progress linearly. There is so much to do 
and so many different types of events, that there is always something new to do 
or some place to explore.

Even just driving somewhere and listening to the game’s sound design can be 
amazing! They put an incredible amount of work into this game. There’s also the 
radio stations as well. If you use D pad right you can flip through the radio 
stations as you drive.

I’ve set my audio for the car-centric profile which I believe, turns the radio 
down a bit in favor of the car engine. You can adjust all of this in detail 
though in the Audio menu as well.

Anyway, if I think of anything else that may help, I’ll send another note.

Hope this helps at least a bit and that the game is enjoyable to you.

Cheers!

Cara

> On Jun 1, 2022, at 8:59 PM, Joshua Tubbs  wrote:
> 
> Hi Kara,
> So I'm at the part where your manager woman says "I got a couple request in 
> and they're looking for a talented driver." I believe this is where you can 
> either select the Jag barn find or the storm but I don't know if these are 
> accolades or what? Unfortunately the actual accolades menu is locked at this 
> stage, so it's strictly using the map here. Anna is also locked at this 
> point. I know when I click on one of these the game will say, "Okay, I'll let 
> them know you want that one." So I'm not sure if by default when I bring up 
> the map if it's already filtered for ease of use as I think its basically 
> finishing up the tutorial, or if I filter it down to stories I hold the left 
> and right on dPad and I get one or two clickable things to click, and none 
> appear to be what the game wants to progress.
> Any help would be appreciated.
> 
> On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 9:06 PM Joshua Tubbs via groups.io <http://groups.io/> 
> mailto:gmail@groups.io>> wrote:
> It actually does, thanks. I'll try this later.
> 
> 
> On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 7:48 PM Cara Quinn  <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com>> wrote:
> Ah, one more thing, when you’re in the filter screen and you’ve chosen a 
> filter, don’t forget to press the B button to

Re: [blind-gamers] Using the Map and accolades on Forza Horizon 5 (XBox)

[Cara Quinn]

Hi Joshua, I’ll look at this in the morning, but I believe that you can still 
click on those points on the map. What happens if you locate those positions 
that you can click on and set a route to one of them? Are you able to travel 
there?

I think I remember having the same issue but for me, it let me click on another 
place on the map and do a race. So I first did a race and then I did one of the 
events.

So for me I didn’t do the story right away, I first did at least one race and 
then I went back and did a part of the story. I don’t remember the exact order 
but I remember that I was able to do races before I did the story.


Sorry for the frustration, as I said I’ll try to figure this out in the morning 
and see if I can offer any more help.

Have a great night! 



Cheers!

Cara
> On Jun 1, 2022, at 9:00 PM, Joshua Tubbs  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi Kara,
> So I'm at the part where your manager woman says "I got a couple request in 
> and they're looking for a talented driver." I believe this is where you can 
> either select the Jag barn find or the storm but I don't know if these are 
> accolades or what? Unfortunately the actual accolades menu is locked at this 
> stage, so it's strictly using the map here. Anna is also locked at this 
> point. I know when I click on one of these the game will say, "Okay, I'll let 
> them know you want that one." So I'm not sure if by default when I bring up 
> the map if it's already filtered for ease of use as I think its basically 
> finishing up the tutorial, or if I filter it down to stories I hold the left 
> and right on dPad and I get one or two clickable things to click, and none 
> appear to be what the game wants to progress.
> Any help would be appreciated.
> 
>> On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 9:06 PM Joshua Tubbs via groups.io 
>>  wrote:
>> It actually does, thanks. I'll try this later.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 7:48 PM Cara Quinn  wrote:
>>> Ah, one more thing, when you’re in the filter screen and you’ve chosen a 
>>> filter, don’t forget to press the B button to exit back to the map so you 
>>> can search for what you want.
>>> 
>>> Hope this helps and happy driving!
>>> 
>>> Cheers!
>>> 
>>> Cara
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 1, 2022, at 3:22 PM, Joshua Tubbs  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I'm trying to choose the first story event on the map, the one where your 
>>>> manager says they want a driver to take pictures of a storm or the other 
>>>> one, I forgot.
>>>> While there is an audible click when you drop a pin on a location, who 
>>>> knows whether it's an event or what. I wish the filter menu was narrated 
>>>> since when scrolling through the items with OCR I can't really tell which 
>>>> option my cursor is on.
>>>> The story option filter is way down the list of filter options. So I clear 
>>>> the map, hit down once and check new stuff, which since I'm early should 
>>>> only show stuff needed to progress.
>>>> Any tips on this? Perhaps one of the items I need to progress doesn't 
>>>> actually click when I move to it, just when I hit A to drop a pin on it.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 4:50 PM Cara Quinn  wrote:
>>>>> I’d forgotten to mention that you can also easily clear a route from the 
>>>>> map by simply opening the map and then pressing the A button once. This 
>>>>> should clear whatever route you have set. So in this way, you will have 
>>>>> no guidance at all from Anna and you're free to explore.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hope this helps!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Cheers!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Cara
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> > On Jun 1, 2022, at 2:26 PM, Cara Quinn  wrote:
>>>>> > 
>>>>> > Hi All,
>>>>> > 
>>>>> > I just found out from a close friend a few days ago that Forza Horizon 
>>>>> > 5 is essentially accessible; and since I love love LOVE driving games, 
>>>>> > I am super excited! :)
>>>>> > 
>>>>> > Apologies in advance if any of this is old news to folks here. I have 
>>>>> > seen a lot of people online wondering about these same things so I 
>>>>> > thought I would share these tips that I’ve found here.
>>>>> > 
>>>>> > In the early parts of the game, I noticed that the map seemed to be a 
>>>>&

Re: [blind-gamers] Using the Map and accolades on Forza Horizon 5 (XBox)

[Cara Quinn]

Ah, one more thing, when you’re in the filter screen and you’ve chosen a 
filter, don’t forget to press the B button to exit back to the map so you can 
search for what you want.

Hope this helps and happy driving!

Cheers!

Cara



> On Jun 1, 2022, at 3:22 PM, Joshua Tubbs  wrote:
> 
> I'm trying to choose the first story event on the map, the one where your 
> manager says they want a driver to take pictures of a storm or the other one, 
> I forgot.
> While there is an audible click when you drop a pin on a location, who knows 
> whether it's an event or what. I wish the filter menu was narrated since when 
> scrolling through the items with OCR I can't really tell which option my 
> cursor is on.
> The story option filter is way down the list of filter options. So I clear 
> the map, hit down once and check new stuff, which since I'm early should only 
> show stuff needed to progress.
> Any tips on this? Perhaps one of the items I need to progress doesn't 
> actually click when I move to it, just when I hit A to drop a pin on it.
> 
> 
> On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 4:50 PM Cara Quinn  <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com>> wrote:
> I’d forgotten to mention that you can also easily clear a route from the map 
> by simply opening the map and then pressing the A button once. This should 
> clear whatever route you have set. So in this way, you will have no guidance 
> at all from Anna and you're free to explore.
> 
> Hope this helps!
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> Cara
> 
> 
> 
> > On Jun 1, 2022, at 2:26 PM, Cara Quinn  > <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com>> wrote:
> > 
> > Hi All,
> > 
> > I just found out from a close friend a few days ago that Forza Horizon 5 is 
> > essentially accessible; and since I love love LOVE driving games, I am 
> > super excited! :)
> > 
> > Apologies in advance if any of this is old news to folks here. I have seen 
> > a lot of people online wondering about these same things so I thought I 
> > would share these tips that I’ve found here.
> > 
> > In the early parts of the game, I noticed that the map seemed to be a 
> > barrier to moving forward for many people, myself included.
> > 
> > I’ve figured out since then though, that the map is actually somewhat 
> > usable so I wanted to share it here, as I’ve seen others wondering how to 
> > move forward in the earlier part of the game without sight as well.
> > 
> > So the first thing I’ve discovered (as some may already know) is that when 
> > you pass your cursor over a designated game location on the map, there is a 
> > small audible click. So if you stop your cursor there, and press the A 
> > button, you will place a pin on the map and map a route to that location.
> > 
> > From there, if you simply exit the map, Anna should then begin navigating 
> > you to that map point.
> > 
> > I use the D pad to move my cursor on the map. Personally, depending on how 
> > much is currently visible on the map, I use a back and forth movement (row 
> > by row) across the map to see what is there.
> > 
> > The next thing that I’ve discovered, is that you can actually place a pin 
> > on any location on the map (whether it makes a click or not) and Anna will 
> > navigate you there. So this can be helpful to find new places and also to 
> > find game events possibly along the way, which you can enter if you choose.
> > 
> > There is also the map filter, which again, some may already know about. 
> > This is also accessible. When you bring up the filter, you are positioned 
> > on the All category. If you press A once to toggle this off, you will clear 
> > the map.
> > 
> > Next, if you use the D pad and move down the list of filter categories, you 
> > can locate the category you’d like to show and then press A to only show 
> > those locales on the map.
> > 
> > So now if you go back to the map and use your cursor again, you can hear 
> > the same small clicks when you locate important game locations. -And, as 
> > before, you can press A to set a route and then exit the map to begin 
> > navigation there.
> > 
> > If you need to reset the map to show everything again, you can use the X 
> > button while in the filter screen.
> > 
> > At this point, the exception to this is Barn Finds. These do not seem to 
> > make a sound when you pass over them. I’m still really early in the game so 
> > it may be that these are not actually available to me yet. I don’t know. I 
> > was able to get to one of them (the one with the Jag) but I have not 
> > figured out how. I’ll post again if I learn more about this.
>

Re: [blind-gamers] Using the Map and accolades on Forza Horizon 5 (XBox)

[Cara Quinn]

Hi Joshua,

I believe Stories is one of the categories in Accolades, so you’d probably be 
better off going through there to locate the story you want  and start it.

Regarding using the map, the filter menu is being read for me when I use D pad 
down to navigate through it.

So you shouldn’t need to use OCR at all for this.

when you’re on the map, use the right bumper to get to the filter screen, and 
then click the A button once to completely clear the map. If you have any 
doubts about the current state of the map, you can reset it with X and then 
clear it.

Anyway, once you’ve done that, then simply use D pad down and the screen reader 
should simply read the available categories. Once you get to Stories, just 
click that with the A button.

This will then show only the Story locations that are currently available to 
you on the map.

So now when you scan the map using the D pad or the left stick, you should hear 
a click when your cursor is over a story location. As soon as you hear the 
click, stop moving your cursor and press A to drop a pin on the map.

Once you’ve done that, when you exit the map, Anna should start navigating you 
to the location you’ve specified.

This works exactly the same way if you were to filter to show only the new 
items available to you. In that case though, you would not know what the type 
of location that your clicking on actually is. So with the other filters you 
know exactly what type of location you’re seeing.

Unfortunately, I don’t know if there is a way to tell which story you’re 
clicking on before you click it. Sometimes there will be a little spoken 
announcement from the game,which relates to the story location you’ve just 
chosen which is super helpful but this doesn’t seem to always happen. You can 
always just click the A button again to clear that route and keep looking for 
the story you actually want. This part is really hit and miss though so this 
could be frustrating if you are looking for a specific story.

So again, I’d probably just use the Accolades menu for this.

Does this help?

Cheers!

Cara



> On Jun 1, 2022, at 3:22 PM, Joshua Tubbs  wrote:
> 
> I'm trying to choose the first story event on the map, the one where your 
> manager says they want a driver to take pictures of a storm or the other one, 
> I forgot.
> While there is an audible click when you drop a pin on a location, who knows 
> whether it's an event or what. I wish the filter menu was narrated since when 
> scrolling through the items with OCR I can't really tell which option my 
> cursor is on.
> The story option filter is way down the list of filter options. So I clear 
> the map, hit down once and check new stuff, which since I'm early should only 
> show stuff needed to progress.
> Any tips on this? Perhaps one of the items I need to progress doesn't 
> actually click when I move to it, just when I hit A to drop a pin on it.
> 
> 
> On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 4:50 PM Cara Quinn  <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com>> wrote:
> I’d forgotten to mention that you can also easily clear a route from the map 
> by simply opening the map and then pressing the A button once. This should 
> clear whatever route you have set. So in this way, you will have no guidance 
> at all from Anna and you're free to explore.
> 
> Hope this helps!
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> Cara
> 
> 
> 
> > On Jun 1, 2022, at 2:26 PM, Cara Quinn  > <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com>> wrote:
> > 
> > Hi All,
> > 
> > I just found out from a close friend a few days ago that Forza Horizon 5 is 
> > essentially accessible; and since I love love LOVE driving games, I am 
> > super excited! :)
> > 
> > Apologies in advance if any of this is old news to folks here. I have seen 
> > a lot of people online wondering about these same things so I thought I 
> > would share these tips that I’ve found here.
> > 
> > In the early parts of the game, I noticed that the map seemed to be a 
> > barrier to moving forward for many people, myself included.
> > 
> > I’ve figured out since then though, that the map is actually somewhat 
> > usable so I wanted to share it here, as I’ve seen others wondering how to 
> > move forward in the earlier part of the game without sight as well.
> > 
> > So the first thing I’ve discovered (as some may already know) is that when 
> > you pass your cursor over a designated game location on the map, there is a 
> > small audible click. So if you stop your cursor there, and press the A 
> > button, you will place a pin on the map and map a route to that location.
> > 
> > From there, if you simply exit the map, Anna should then begin navigating 
> > you to that map point.
> > 
> > I use the D pad to move my cursor on the map. Personally, 

Re: [blind-gamers] Using the Map and accolades on Forza Horizon 5 (XBox)

[Cara Quinn]

I’d forgotten to mention that you can also easily clear a route from the map by 
simply opening the map and then pressing the A button once. This should clear 
whatever route you have set. So in this way, you will have no guidance at all 
from Anna and you're free to explore.

Hope this helps!

Cheers!

Cara



> On Jun 1, 2022, at 2:26 PM, Cara Quinn  wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> I just found out from a close friend a few days ago that Forza Horizon 5 is 
> essentially accessible; and since I love love LOVE driving games, I am super 
> excited! :)
> 
> Apologies in advance if any of this is old news to folks here. I have seen a 
> lot of people online wondering about these same things so I thought I would 
> share these tips that I’ve found here.
> 
> In the early parts of the game, I noticed that the map seemed to be a barrier 
> to moving forward for many people, myself included.
> 
> I’ve figured out since then though, that the map is actually somewhat usable 
> so I wanted to share it here, as I’ve seen others wondering how to move 
> forward in the earlier part of the game without sight as well.
> 
> So the first thing I’ve discovered (as some may already know) is that when 
> you pass your cursor over a designated game location on the map, there is a 
> small audible click. So if you stop your cursor there, and press the A 
> button, you will place a pin on the map and map a route to that location.
> 
> From there, if you simply exit the map, Anna should then begin navigating you 
> to that map point.
> 
> I use the D pad to move my cursor on the map. Personally, depending on how 
> much is currently visible on the map, I use a back and forth movement (row by 
> row) across the map to see what is there.
> 
> The next thing that I’ve discovered, is that you can actually place a pin on 
> any location on the map (whether it makes a click or not) and Anna will 
> navigate you there. So this can be helpful to find new places and also to 
> find game events possibly along the way, which you can enter if you choose.
> 
> There is also the map filter, which again, some may already know about. This 
> is also accessible. When you bring up the filter, you are positioned on the 
> All category. If you press A once to toggle this off, you will clear the map.
> 
> Next, if you use the D pad and move down the list of filter categories, you 
> can locate the category you’d like to show and then press A to only show 
> those locales on the map.
> 
> So now if you go back to the map and use your cursor again, you can hear the 
> same small clicks when you locate important game locations. -And, as before, 
> you can press A to set a route and then exit the map to begin navigation 
> there.
> 
> If you need to reset the map to show everything again, you can use the X 
> button while in the filter screen.
> 
> At this point, the exception to this is Barn Finds. These do not seem to make 
> a sound when you pass over them. I’m still really early in the game so it may 
> be that these are not actually available to me yet. I don’t know. I was able 
> to get to one of them (the one with the Jag) but I have not figured out how. 
> I’ll post again if I learn more about this.
> 
> So now on to Accolades.
> 
> I’ve also figured out that the Accolades menu is actually usable even though 
> it says that it is not narrated.
> 
> If you enter the Accolades menu and it says that the menu is not narrated, 
> using the D pad, you can still hear a small click when you reach each group 
> of accolades. Even though these are not announced verbally, when you click on 
> them with the A button, they will be announced as you enter them. So for 
> example, the group you land on by default is called "Welcome to Mexico," 
> which contains the initial group of accolades. If you back out of that group 
> and then move one click to the right and click that group, you will hear 
> “Expeditions.” This is the group of accolades related to expeditions.
> 
> So in this way, you can actually move through the game accolades without 
> sight.
> 
> I hope this is helpful to someone and I’ll post more tips when I find them.
> 
> Happy Driving All! :)
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> Cara
> 
> 
> 
> 



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[blind-gamers] Using the Map and accolades on Forza Horizon 5 (XBox)

[Cara Quinn]

Hi All,

I just found out from a close friend a few days ago that Forza Horizon 5 is 
essentially accessible; and since I love love LOVE driving games, I am super 
excited! :)

Apologies in advance if any of this is old news to folks here. I have seen a 
lot of people online wondering about these same things so I thought I would 
share these tips that I’ve found here.

In the early parts of the game, I noticed that the map seemed to be a barrier 
to moving forward for many people, myself included.

I’ve figured out since then though, that the map is actually somewhat usable so 
I wanted to share it here, as I’ve seen others wondering how to move forward in 
the earlier part of the game without sight as well.

So the first thing I’ve discovered (as some may already know) is that when you 
pass your cursor over a designated game location on the map, there is a small 
audible click. So if you stop your cursor there, and press the A button, you 
will place a pin on the map and map a route to that location.

>From there, if you simply exit the map, Anna should then begin navigating you 
>to that map point.

I use the D pad to move my cursor on the map. Personally, depending on how much 
is currently visible on the map, I use a back and forth movement (row by row) 
across the map to see what is there.

The next thing that I’ve discovered, is that you can actually place a pin on 
any location on the map (whether it makes a click or not) and Anna will 
navigate you there. So this can be helpful to find new places and also to find 
game events possibly along the way, which you can enter if you choose.

There is also the map filter, which again, some may already know about. This is 
also accessible. When you bring up the filter, you are positioned on the All 
category. If you press A once to toggle this off, you will clear the map.

Next, if you use the D pad and move down the list of filter categories, you can 
locate the category you’d like to show and then press A to only show those 
locales on the map.

So now if you go back to the map and use your cursor again, you can hear the 
same small clicks when you locate important game locations. -And, as before, 
you can press A to set a route and then exit the map to begin navigation there.

If you need to reset the map to show everything again, you can use the X button 
while in the filter screen.

At this point, the exception to this is Barn Finds. These do not seem to make a 
sound when you pass over them. I’m still really early in the game so it may be 
that these are not actually available to me yet. I don’t know. I was able to 
get to one of them (the one with the Jag) but I have not figured out how. I’ll 
post again if I learn more about this.

So now on to Accolades.

I’ve also figured out that the Accolades menu is actually usable even though it 
says that it is not narrated.

If you enter the Accolades menu and it says that the menu is not narrated, 
using the D pad, you can still hear a small click when you reach each group of 
accolades. Even though these are not announced verbally, when you click on them 
with the A button, they will be announced as you enter them. So for example, 
the group you land on by default is called "Welcome to Mexico," which contains 
the initial group of accolades. If you back out of that group and then move one 
click to the right and click that group, you will hear “Expeditions.” This is 
the group of accolades related to expeditions.

So in this way, you can actually move through the game accolades without sight.

I hope this is helpful to someone and I’ll post more tips when I find them.

Happy Driving All! :)

Cheers!

Cara

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Re: [blind-gamers] GTA V is free until May 21.

[Cara Quinn]

A big thanks Jody!

Couldn’t agree more!

I have not actively participated in this group for a while now but have been 
lurking.

Liam’s GTA mod and Sable both sparked my attention.

Unfortunately, when I then started reading this thread, look what I found! lol! 
-Lo and behold, I found the reason I tend not to be involved here as much as 
I’d like.

Are we dealing with adults here or spoiled children? :)

Anyway, rant over and my apologies.

thanks again Jody for really laying this all out on the line. You rock! :)

Cheers!

Cara



> On May 15, 2020, at 12:25 PM, Jody McKinniss  wrote:
> 
> Folks,
> Wow...really?  This is something that bothers me immensely with this
> community.  Why is it that the simplest of threads seems to always
> degenerate into this sort of back and forth?  If Mattias is having
> issues, why is the automatic response to demean or belittle him, ,
> instead of simply explaining in detail how to accomplish the task at
> hand?  How is his lack of knowledge, if that is actually the problem,
> a personal offense to anyone else here that is worth this type of
> response?  This sort of thing seems to happen a lot.  Why are we so
> quick to lash out at one another for the smallest of things, instead
> of doing our best to help each other?  If we ever want to be taken
> seriously by the sighted world, this sort of childish behavior in this
> community needs to stop.
> 
> On 5/15/20, mattias  wrote:
>> are you a idiot
>> 
>> i'm willing to learn but you only say crap
>> 
>> i just tryed jaws
>> 
>> no success
>> 
>> and dont say i havent learned jaws
>> 
>> i have had jaws for over 10 years or something
>> 
>> 
>> Den 2020-05-15 kl. 19:06, skrev Jordan Gallacher:
>>> 
>>> You shut up until you larn to fully use Narrator.  You cannot be
>>> helped until you are willing to learn.
>>> 
>>> *From:* blind-gamers@groups.io  *On Behalf Of
>>> *mattias
>>> *Sent:* Friday, May 15, 2020 12:52 PM
>>> *To:* blind-gamers@groups.io
>>> *Subject:* Re: [blind-gamers] GTA V is free until May 21.
>>> 
>>> if you have nothing helpfull to say shut up
>>> 
>>> i run win 10
>>> 
>>> Den 2020-05-15 kl. 18:49, skrev Jordan Gallacher:
>>> 
>>>You just proved that you don’t know how to use narrator fully You
>>>have to use object to review a screen review with it to find the
>>>login fields. Worked fine here doesn’t work for you then go learn
>>>how to use narrator fully and I mean that I just review and screen
>>>review functions because I have no problem with it unless you
>>>running Windows 7 which kind of sounds like you are
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>On May 15, 2020, at 12:43 PM, mattias 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>
>>> 
>>>so, how to find the login field for email?
>>> 
>>>if you trying to say i have not learned  to use narrator you
>>>are wrong
>>> 
>>>Den 2020-05-15 kl. 18:41, skrev Jordan Gallacher:
>>> 
>>>Yes it can.  You have never learned how to use it thn
>>>because it worked fine here you just have to be highly
>>>familiar with it.
>>> 
>>>Jordan
>>> 
>>>*From:* blind-gamers@groups.io
>>> 
>>> *On Behalf Of *mattias
>>>*Sent:* Friday, May 15, 2020 12:38 PM
>>>*To:* blind-gamers@groups.io 
>>>*Subject:* Re: [blind-gamers] GTA V is free until May 21.
>>> 
>>>no narrator cant interact with the launcher
>>> 
>>>Den 2020-05-15 kl. 18:32, skrev Jordan Gallacher:
>>> 
>>>To get things done with the Launcher, use Narrator.
>>> 
>>>Jordan
>>> 
>>>*From:* blind-gamers@groups.io
>>>
>>>
>>> *On Behalf Of *mattias
>>>*Sent:* Friday, May 15, 2020 10:06 AM
>>>*To:* blind-gamers@groups.io
>>>
>>>*Subject:* Re: [blind-gamers] GTA V is free until May 21.
>>> 
>>>ok the launcher are inaccessible
>>> 
>>>Den 2020-05-15 kl. 16:01, skrev mattias via groups.io:
>>> 
>>>i have no issues
>>> 
>>>the client updates now
>>> 
>>>Den 2020-05-15 kl. 15:51, skrev Yusuf Osman:
>>> 
>>>Glad to see the list back again. Hopefully my
>>>last message will come through soon.
>>> 
>>>I’ve managed to sign up for an account on the
>>>Epic Games Store, but came across a massive
>>>problem when trying to access the download
>>>link for the game. The site requires 2-factor
>>>authentication and only gives the user 

Re: [blind-gamers] GTA V is free until May 21.

[Cara Quinn]

Do we know if this is the actual game or the online version?

I believe Liam mentioned that the online version is not compatible with the 
mod? Yes?

Cheers!

Cara



> On May 15, 2020, at 7:44 AM, Robert Kingett  wrote:
> 
> It's only available for free from the Epic Games Store. I have no idea if 
> it's accessible or not. The store, anyway. I haven't tried it, and I have no 
> desire to try it. But below, you'll find links to the store and the Mod made 
> by Liam.
> 
> Epic Store Page. 
> 
> Grand Theft Accessibility homepage.  read the 
> instructions and otherwise on that website. I haven't installed it. I don't 
> plan to. So, I can't troubleshoot.
> 


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