Re: Interesting little tidbit

2003-08-28 Thread Julia Thompson
Julia Thompson wrote:
 
 Sometime earlier this year, I'd stumbled across a webpage that listed
 all the mascots used by Texas high schools, giving the number of schools
 having each mascot.  At the very bottom of the page was the list of
 unique mascots.  Hippo was on that list.
 
 Someone told my mom that Hutto is the *only* high school in the entire
 US with the Hippo as their mascot.
 
 Can anyone refute this?  I'd be interested in knowing if it's true.

I found a page *supporting* the statement; it may be the source for the
person who told my mother about the uniqueness:

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/sports/6472388.htm

There is some discussion of the legend of why the hippo was adopted as
the mascot.  And the article mentions Nolan Ryan, if anyone cares about
*that* detail.  (He's a major owner in the minor league team that plays
a few miles west of the high school, but that's not why he's mentioned.)

Julia
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Re: Interesting little tidbit

2003-08-28 Thread Julia Thompson
Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
 
 At 06:52 AM 8/27/03 -0500, Julia Thompson wrote:
 Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
  
   At 03:24 PM 8/26/03 -0500, Julia Thompson wrote:
   Sometime earlier this year, I'd stumbled across a webpage that listed
   all the mascots used by Texas high schools, giving the number of schools
   having each mascot.  At the very bottom of the page was the list of
   unique mascots.  Hippo was on that list.
   
   Someone told my mom that Hutto is the *only* high school in the entire
   US with the Hippo as their mascot.
   
   Can anyone refute this?  I'd be interested in knowing if it's true.
   
Julia
   
   incubating two future Hippos
  
   I bet you feel like they already are . . .
 
 No, right now, *I* feel like the hippo.  :)
 
 That's not quite right.  Hippos don't waddle the way I do.  More like a
 lead penguin.  (But not a cast-iron penguin -- lead is softer)
 
 Just wait . . . in another few weeks, you can be the prize in a game of
 Hungry Hungry Hippos . . .

Only if we don't lose the marbles  ;)

Julia

who feels like she's losing *hers* at times, but it hasn't been *that*
bad lately
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Book Reccomendations

2003-08-28 Thread Damon
With the growing presence of Mars I've become more interested in Astronomy 
as of late. What are some good books on the subject that has both breadth 
and depth, more than my ASTRO 001 Intro to Astronomy textbook?

Damon.

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Re: Why extra virgin olive oil is so healthy

2003-08-28 Thread Jan Coffey

--- Ticia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Jan Coffey wrote:
 
  --- Ticia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 ...
 
  From newsletter Zone Diet Weekly Tip from Dr. Barry Sears
 
  
  
  Zone bars are adictive. I had one for breakfast every morning for a week.
 The
  next day I ran out and had eggs and a bit of tuna. By the second day of
 being
  zone free I was having cravings so strong I left work to go buy a box.
 
 Try a breakfast of fruit (apple, pear, peach, sometimes the less good
 banana) and cottage cheese, I'm addicted to *that*!  You also need to eat 
 some nuts with that for the right fats... I make my own oatmeal  almond 
 muffins which are easy to snatch along on my morning commute together with 
 my 'prepared earlier' tupperware box of fruit + extra cottage cheese (to 
 compensate for the oatmeal  sugar in the muffin). Yummm. Energy boost
 right 
 through to lunch. :))

That's just ~way~ too many carbs for me. Oats and Wheat can make it hard to
concentrate. All those carbs in the fruit and I am ready to jump around.

Good on a weekend when I will be spending the whole day active, but on a
weekday at the office carbs are for after work when the evening is to be
spent on the water, or in the gym.


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Re: mongomery protestor demographics

2003-08-28 Thread Deborah Harrell
--- The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/2003_08_24_dneiwert_archive.html#106179567260601299
 
 Behind the tablets
snip 
 One guy had a sign that read, The 10 Commandments
 or... then, on the
 other side, The 10 Planks of the Communist
 Manifesto. Now, there's a choice!
snip

Better yet, the first ten rules of the Sharia (?sp?),
or ten koans, or The Druid's Creed... snort

My understanding of the First A' is that you have the
right to plop down a 2-ton monument of the Ten
Commandments in your own front yard - unless your
homeowner's association disallows it!  :P

Debbi
cupping her ears for a certain Chihuahua's Eeediot! ;)

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Re: BBC to put television show archive online

2003-08-28 Thread Russell Chapman
Jean-Louis Couturier wrote:

I sense an imminent _Dr Who_ binge.  And _Neverwhere_ and _Red Dwarf_ 
and _Hitch Hiker's Guide_ and...
This was all I could see when I saw the subject line. No matter how I 
tried to read the subject, all I could see was access to ...

As a secondary thought, there are some seriously cool documentary series 
in that archive as well.

But a question for our UK comrades, were shows with a more commercial 
orientation such as The Professionals, Makepeace  Dempsey et al 
made by the BBC, or were they made by third party production companies 
and simply shown on BBC?

Cheers
Russell C.
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Re: BBC to put television show archive online

2003-08-28 Thread Jim Sharkey

Jean-Louis Couturier wrote:
Matt wrote:
It looks like we'll be able to download all our favorite old BBC shows!
I sense an imminent _Dr Who_ binge.  And _Neverwhere_ and _Red 
Dwarf_ and _Hitch Hiker's Guide_ and...

Strange timing, considering that Neverwhere is being released on DVD September 9.  
*Adds to Christmas list*

Jim

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secret that keeps French slim

2003-08-28 Thread William T Goodall
http://www.guardian.co.uk/food/Story/0,2763,1028800,00.html

Scientists have another solution for the notorious French paradox - 
the riddle of how a nation of alcohol-quaffing, croissant-munching 
gourmands stays healthy and slim, while a disproportionate number of 
health-obsessed Americans are obese and at cardiovascular risk.

The answer, after methodical study of brasseries, eateries, pizza 
parlours, Chinese restaurants and Hard Rock cafes in both countries, is 
simple: the French eat less of everything. And they eat less because 
they are served smaller portions.

The French paradox has baffled European and US scientists for more than 
a decade.

Only 7% of the French are obese, compared with a whopping 22% of all 
Americans.

Coronary heart disease is the biggest killer in the US, but not in 
France. Yet the French smoke Gitanes, breakfast on buttery brioche, 
lunch and dine off confit of duck, sausage, fat goose livers and 
camembert. They drink wine, round off their meals with cognac, and 
while away the afternoon with strong coffee and mouthwatering pastries. 

...
Mean portion size across all Paris establishments was 277g (9.8oz), 
compared with an average in Philadelphia of 346g (12.2oz) - about 25% 
more. Only in the Hard Rock Cafe chain did the Parisian portions match 
the US ones.

Philadelphia's Chinese restaurants served 72% more than the Parisian 
ones. A supermarket soft drink in the US was 52% larger, a hotdog 63% 
larger, a carton of yoghurt 82% larger.

The lesson is that though the French diet was rich in fat, overall, the 
Americans consumed more calories. Over the years, this would lead to 
substantial differences in weight.

If food is moderately palatable, people tend to consume what is put in 
front of them, and generally consume more when offered more food, said 
Paul Rozin, a psychologist at the University of Pennsylvania. Much 
discussion of the obesity epidemic in the US has focused on personal 
willpower, but our study shows that the environment also plays an 
important role, and that people may be satisfied even if served less 
than they would normally eat.

--
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Re: Creative spam

2003-08-28 Thread David Hobby
Deborah Harrell wrote:

 
 Lo, these many years ago, in college Organic
 Chemistry, I and a friend created the 'O-chem
 Personality Wheel,' with categories from Ortho-normal
 (your basic staid and sedate microbiology major) on to
 Para-normal (included mushroom-tea drinkers) and
 Epi-normal (off-the-ringers who were fun at parties
 but not invited to all-night study/gossip sessions);
 Abi-normals were of course those too weird to relate
 even to DDers or SCAers!  ;D
 
 Debbi
 Meta-normal Herself Maru  :)

I give, what does meta-normal mean then?

---David

Gram-Schmidt Orthonormalization?
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Re: mongomery protestor demographics

2003-08-28 Thread William T Goodall
On Wednesday, August 27, 2003, at 09:08  pm, The Fool wrote:
Meanwhile, in the crowd was our good friend Neal Horsley, along with 
his
scary sidekick, Jonathan Toole. The First Freedom, Olaf Childress'
patently racist (and now anti-Semitic, complete with references to the
Jew World Order) and neo-Confederate paper, was being handed out, 
along
with a variety of radical anti-abortion tracts and even several pieces 
of
literature attacking Catholics (papists, etc.).

One guy had a sign that read, The 10 Commandments or... then, on the
other side, The 10 Planks of the Communist Manifesto. Now, there's a
choice!
Overall, the whole thing has had the flavor of a New Yorker cartoon, 
the
classic depicting a guy with a long white beard and a sign screaming
REPENT! Lots of sackcloths and ashes, etc. Trucks with giant photos 
of
aborted fetuses, another one painted all over with Irwin Schiff 
anti-tax
propaganda.

Of course, the chief extremist in all of this is Roy Moore.



Mark also informs me that Hutton Gibson was in the crowd. I also gather
that Flip Benham of Operation Rescue notoriety has been hanging out 
in
Montgomery. Among the other extremist participants:

-- W.N. Otwell, who leads camouflage-garbed protesters at abortion
clinics and who has protested race-mixing, calling America a white
man's country.
-- Greg Dixon, the leader of the extremist Indianapolis Baptist Temple.

-- Michael Hill, president of the neo-Confederate (and definitively
racist, not to mention openly secessionist) League of the South.
-- John Cripps, a noted neo-Confederate.

Yes, but their beliefs make them happier and healthier, so that's OK 
then :)

--
William T Goodall
Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Web  : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk
Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/
The fact that an opinion has been widely held is no evidence whatever 
that it is not utterly absurd; indeed in view of the silliness of the 
majority of mankind, a widespread belief is more likely to be foolish 
than sensible.
- Bertrand Russell

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Re: Global Warming

2003-08-28 Thread Kevin Tarr
At 03:16 PM 8/27/2003 -0700, you wrote:
--- William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns4072

 Europe may be breathing a sigh of relief as its
 record-breaking
 heatwave eases, but there is still plenty to worry
 about. Temperature
 changes caused by global warming are likely to
 transform agriculture on
 both sides of the Atlantic
snip
 The eastern and western seaboards of the US will
 become much wetter
 over the next century, while some central states
 will become so starved
 of water that they will be unable to support
 agriculture at all. 
I'd guessed it from our drought -- Colorado is one of
the places forecast to become more arid in this
report:
But Kansas, Colorado and Nebraska are just some of
the central states that could suffer drought, the
researchers say in two papers published in June this
year (Agricultural and Forest Meteorology, vol 117, p
73 and p 97).
So, are the idiot developers still putting in Kentucky
bluegrass lawns instead of native prairie grasses?
-oh, yeah.  :/
Debbi
Seems This Year's European Grape Harvest Is Good
However Maru  (not that i drink enough wine for it to
matter to me maru)  :P


Colorado and Nebraksa? You mean the states that have active sand dunes? Now 
how could sand be there, if drought is caused by global warming? Could it 
be natural hundred and thousand year cycles causing drought and wet 
conditions? Nah, that's too easy (and there's no money to be made off of it).

http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/paleo/drought/drght_data.html

Kevin T. - VRWC
How dry I am...
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always follow the money, esp. Scaife's money

2003-08-28 Thread The Fool
'Arkansas Project' Led to Turmoil and Rifts 
Washington Post Staff
Sunday, May 2, 1999; Page A24 

The Arkansas Project that did so much to increase the visibility of
Richard Mellon Scaife caused great turmoil at the American Spectator
magazine. It skirted close to the tax laws, and failed to learn damaging
information about Bill and Hillary Clinton. 

According to R. Emmett Tyrrell Jr., founder and editor of the American
Spectator, the idea for investigating the Clintons was born on a fishing
trip on the Chesapeake Bay that he took in the fall of 1993. 

Those on board the chartered boat, Tyrrell remembered, included Richard
M. Larry, Scaife's senior aide for many years, David Henderson, a
conservative activist and public relations adviser close to Larry, and
Steven Boynton, a Washington attorney and outdoorsman. 

Henderson and Boynton both had contacts in Arkansas they thought could
help them get to the bottom of the Clinton scandals. Through the Junior
Chamber of Commerce, Henderson had met David Hale, a Little Rock lawyer
and political figure who became prominent in the Whitewater affair after
accusing then-Gov. Clinton of pressuring him to make an improper
$300,000, federally backed loan that went bad. Among the people Boynton
knew in the state was the owner of a bait shop in Hot Springs, Parker
Dozhier, a rabid Clinton hater. 

Tyrrell described the Arkansas Project as an attempt by the Spectator,
best known for its acerbic and lively commentary, to get into more
investigative reporting. Henderson agreed. But other well-placed sources
have told The Post that Larry, Scaife's aide, tried to sell the idea of
investigating Clinton's activities in his home state to at least two
other organizations before the Spectator took on the project. Both turned
Larry down, the sources said. 

Several sources at the Spectator, all of whom asked for anonymity, said
they thought Tyrrell had agreed to undertake the investigation to please
Larry and Scaife, the magazine's most generous supporter since 1970.
Scaife had given the magazine at least $3.3 million. 

Under the tax law, Scaife's foundations could not sponsor their own
investigation of Clinton. They had to give money to a registered
nonprofit organization (a 501[c][3] organization in the jargon of the
IRS), which could use the money for a legitimate nonprofit purpose. The
American Spectator Foundation, which publishes the magazine, qualified to
receive the money. Investigating a president – provided it wasn't tied to
a specific electoral campaign – would fall within the definition of legal
activity by a nonprofit, according to Frances Hill, a specialist in the
law of tax-exempt organizations who teaches at the University of Miami. 

The law also says that a foundation cannot use a 501[c][3] organization
to funnel money to someone the foundation is trying to help directly.
Larry's apparent effort to find a home for a project run by Henderson and
Boynton might raise questions under this provision, though Spectator
officials said the IRS has not said anything about it. (Henderson said he
had never heard of Larry trying to persuade other organizations to
undertake the Arkansas Project and doubted this was true.) 

A third legal question raised by the project involves payments to
Henderson, a member of the Spectator board. Under the federal law on
nonprofits, it is illegal for a member of the board of a nonprofit
organization to receive excessive payments from the organization – the
law calls this inurement. Over the 3½-year life of the Arkansas
Project, Henderson was paid $477,000, according to an accounting drawn up
by Boynton in 1997. 

In an interview, Henderson said the Spectator's lawyers and board of
directors considered the inurement question and concluded that the
payments to him were proper. He also defended the project, saying it
produced more information on the Clintons than the Spectator used. There
were a number of big stories that we developed pretty far that met some
resistance at the magazine, he said, including stories later confirmed
and published elsewhere. He declined to specify what they were. 

Boynton received at least $577,000. Much of the rest of the project money
went to private investigators, according to Spectator documents provided
by Charles Thompson, an independent television producer. 

One of those employed by Henderson and Boynton was Rex Armistead, now
nearly 70, a longtime Mississippi state policeman, undercover operative
and, in recent years, private eye. According to the Spectator documents,
Armistead was paid at least $353,517 by the Arkansas Project. What he did
for that money is far from clear. 

The project was launched late in 1994 and got underway in January 1995.
This was the month the Spectator published a piece by staff writer David
Brock reporting Arkansas state troopers' accounts of how they had
arranged illicit trysts for Clinton when he was governor. In future
history books, Brock's piece will probably be 

Re: [KillerBzzz] Virus count

2003-08-28 Thread Kevin Tarr
At 10:35 PM 8/26/2003 -0500, you wrote:
At 10:19 PM 8/26/03 -0400, Kevin Tarr wrote:

I got my deer head mount back today, the cat is not impressed.


How did (s)he react?



-- Ronn!  :)


insert boring story
First, the cat has spent 90% of this summer in the basement. It's not 
cooler down there, at least I don't think so. Maybe the whirring ACs scare 
him.
Second, I'm sleeping in the attic. The cat used to come up every night and 
sleep on the bed, or the couch, or the floor in front of the stairs. Now a 
week can go by and I won't see him.
This is the normal routine. I open the door to the house, and soon the cat 
comes from the basement for a few minutes, then disappears again.
I carried in a few things before the deer head. I propped the screen door 
open and the cat came to sniff the air. He never goes outside, I've carried 
him out the back door once and dropped him; he ran around to the front door 
to get back in.
I pulled the deer head out of the car and swung around to the house. When I 
came up the steps he ran farther into the house, a normal response. I came 
in and closed the door, then kneeled down with the mount, calling the cat 
over. He approached with his tail straight up, at 20% fluff. He came to my 
hand, but his eyes were on the deer the whole time. I gave a few head 
scratches, but as soon as I moved more, he ran to the next room swishing 
his tail, then stopped and looked back. I propped the head on the couch, I 
don't have a nail to hang it on yet. The rest of the afternoon the cat 
never left me, except when I went upstairs. The couch is next to the stairs.
I went to work. When I came back that night, the cat was already in the 
living room instead of the basement. I had the mount sitting so it was 
basically facing straight up, I doubted from cat level you'd notice it. I 
set it down on the couch like it would hang on a wall, so my brother would 
see it when he came home. I did a few things and went to bed. During the 
night the cat came up and was all over the bed, meowing at me. I'm a light 
sleeper and he was moving around way too much: around the pillows over my 
head, down one side, back the other, laying down, getting up. I'm really 
tired now.
The alarm went off. The cat and I went to the second floor, he stayed there 
while I showered, followed me back to the attic when I dressed. Going down 
to the first floor, he went down the stairs ahead of me, but stopped twice 
to look through the stair slats at the deer. The whole morning he followed 
me around. I was watching TV from a chair in front of the couch (you have 
to see it to understand, it's a big room), scratching the cat, he kept 
looking behind me. I went back upstairs, he followed me up and back down 
again looking through the slats the whole time. All morning he was vocal.
He doesn't seemed scared, just tense.
/bs

Kevin T. - VRWC
bambi no more
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Classified Spending On the Rise

2003-08-28 Thread Robert Seeberger
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A50108-2003Aug26?language=printer

Black, or classified, programs requested in President Bush's 2004 defense
budget are at the highest level since 1988, according to a report prepared
by the independent Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments.

The center concluded that classified spending next fiscal year will reach
about $23.2 billion of the Pentagon's total request for procurement and
research funding. When adjusted for inflation, that is the largest dollar
figure since the peak reached during President Ronald Reagan's defense
buildup 16 years ago. The amount in 1988 was $19.7 billion, or $26.7 billion
if adjusted for inflation, according to the center.

It's puzzling. It sets the mind to wondering where the money's going and
what sort of politically controversial things the administration is doing
because they're not telling anybody, said John E. Pike, director of
GlobalSecurity.org, a research group in Alexandria that has been critical of
the administration's defense priorities.

Pike said part of the surge in the classified budget probably can be
explained by increases for the Central Intelligence Agency's covert action
programs, which are central to the war on terrorism. Traditionally, Pike
said, much of the funding for the CIA is hidden in Air Force weapons
procurement accounts.

But unlike the 1980s, when it was widely known that the black budget was
going to the development of stealth aircraft such as the B-2 bomber and
F-117 fighter, the uses of the classified accounts today are far murkier,
Pike said.

The Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments is a Washington research
group that analyzes many aspects of the defense budget. Steven Kosiak, who
prepared the report on classified spending, said he reached his conclusions
by comparing sums requested for open, or nonclassified, programs with the
total Defense Department request for fiscal 2004.

Some black spending in the Pentagon budget is designated for code-named
programs such as the Army's Tractor Rose and the Navy's Retract Larch.
But sources said some names may be accounting fictions that do not stand for
actual programs.

Other classified spending is accounted for under such bland headings as
special activities.

Officials at the Pentagon and in Congress declined to comment on the
center's report, which was compiled earlier this summer. Key congressional
defense committees will meet in the next several weeks to resolve
differences over the 2004 Pentagon spending plan, including those involving
classified programs.

According to the Kosiak analysis, the Air Force's classified weapons
procurement budget has jumped from $7 billion in 2001 to almost $11 billion
as requested for 2004. In dollar terms, total classified spending in the
Pentagon budget request has almost doubled since the mid-1990s, according to
tables provided by Kosiak.

Kosiak said in his report that performance in the classified programs has
been mixed. He noted that highly successful weapons systems such as the
F-117 and the B-2 were initially developed within the classified budget. But
so was the Navy's A-12 medium attack plane, which was canceled in 1991 after
a series of technical problems and cost increases.

After it was canceled, manufacturers complained that secrecy in the program
kept them from acquiring critical data needed to head off some of the
problems.

Restrictions placed on access to classified funding have meant that the
Defense Department and Congress typically exercise less oversight over
classified programs than unclassified ones, Kosiak wrote.

In the case of the new defense budget, it is anybody's guess where most of
the classified money is going, Pike said. But he said it is a good bet that
some of it is going to programs that the administration is known to strongly
favor, such as missile defense and the development of hypersonic planes that
can fly beyond Earth's atmosphere.

This is an administration that likes to play I've got a secret, he said.
The growth of the classified budget appears to be part of a larger pattern
of this administration being secretive.



xponent

Taxman Maru

rob


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Re: Why extra virgin olive oil is so healthy

2003-08-28 Thread Ticia
Jan Coffey wrote:
--- Ticia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Try a breakfast of fruit (apple, pear, peach, sometimes the less good
banana) and cottage cheese, I'm addicted to *that*!  You also need to eat 
some nuts with that for the right fats... I make my own oatmeal  almond 
muffins which are easy to snatch along on my morning commute together with 
my 'prepared earlier' tupperware box of fruit + extra cottage cheese (to 
compensate for the oatmeal  sugar in the muffin). Yummm. Energy boost
right through to lunch. :))


That's just ~way~ too many carbs for me. Oats and Wheat can make it hard to
concentrate. All those carbs in the fruit and I am ready to jump around.
Good on a weekend when I will be spending the whole day active, but on a
weekday at the office carbs are for after work when the evening is to be
spent on the water, or in the gym.
Weird. I eat too many carbs, I get drowsy, not active. And mostly hungry 
again. Too many protein, and I am mentally alert but also hungry, which is 
distracting.

My prefect balance, honed over the past few years, is one small piece of 
fruit (or 1/2 large) topped off with cottage cheese and a (for American 
standards very small) muffin made from rolled oats and oat fiber with a 
little sugar, some eggwhites, and some olive oil + ground almonds. The fiber 
doesn't count as carbs as it doesn't get assimilated, but it's really good 
for the system. :)

Not trying to convert you just saying it works for me. ;)  Universal diets 
(as in healthy eating regimens, not slimming diets) are so bogus: everyone 
has different metabolism and activity levels.

Ticia ',:)
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Re: Book Reccomendations

2003-08-28 Thread G. D. Akin
Damon asked:

 With the growing presence of Mars I've become more interested in Astronomy
 as of late. What are some good books on the subject that has both breadth
 and depth, more than my ASTRO 001 Intro to Astronomy textbook?
-

The one book I've read recently doesn't really talk about Mars but currently
thinking in String Theory and the quest for the ultimate theory (TOE, GUT,
etc.).  It requires careful reading. but is written for the layman.  The
Elegant Universe by Brian Greene.

George A



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Something else for the Fool....

2003-08-28 Thread Jon Gabriel
Doubleplus ungood.
http://www.all-the-other-names-were-taken.com/tipstips.html
Perhaps we could just mark their emails with this instead:
o
/ \
Jon

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Re: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of price discrimination

2003-08-28 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Gautam Mukunda wrote:
 No, I think the guy that has an audience of millions
 that take him 
 very seriously and lies about a hell of a lot more
 than the poverty 
 rate in the '50s is far worse than some guy most of
 us haven't even 
 heard of who says ridiculous things like the above
 that no one in 
 their right mind can take seriously.  Much, much,
 much worse.
 
 Doug

Which one of them can speak at any university in
America to a rousing reception?  Which one is the most
cited intellectual in America?  They both routinely
have books on the bestseller list.  Of course Rush has
a larger audience - however much you want to deny it,
the _people_ of America are pretty conservative. 
Chomsky just speaks to elites - like you.  That's
where his power comes from.  The careful and
purposeful exclusion of conservative voices from elite
American institutions - to the extent that it is
literally impossible for a conservative to get a
position in a humanities faculty in any major
university in America - is why there's actually
political balance in this country.  If it was about
_what the people actually wanted_ it wouldn't even be close.

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Re: BBC to put television show archive online

2003-08-28 Thread Bryon Daly
From: Jim Sharkey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Jean-Louis Couturier wrote:
Matt wrote:
It looks like we'll be able to download all our favorite old BBC shows!
I sense an imminent _Dr Who_ binge.  And _Neverwhere_ and _Red
Dwarf_ and _Hitch Hiker's Guide_ and...
Strange timing, considering that Neverwhere is being released on DVD 
September 9.  *Adds to Christmas list*
I've read Gaiman's Neverwhere, but had no idea they made a series out of it 
until I saw it listed at Amazon.  Is the series any good?  Faithful to the 
book?  Worth buying the DVD set?

I remember enjoying reading Neverwhere, but I guess it didn't really capture 
my imagination, because I can't recall much about it anymore, unfortunately.

-Bryon

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Re: Why extra virgin olive oil is so healthy

2003-08-28 Thread Jan Coffey

--- Ticia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Jan Coffey wrote:
  --- Ticia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Try a breakfast of fruit (apple, pear, peach, sometimes the less good
 banana) and cottage cheese, I'm addicted to *that*!  You also need to eat
 
 some nuts with that for the right fats... I make my own oatmeal  almond 
 muffins which are easy to snatch along on my morning commute together
 with 
 my 'prepared earlier' tupperware box of fruit + extra cottage cheese (to 
 compensate for the oatmeal  sugar in the muffin). Yummm. Energy boost
 right through to lunch. :))
  
  
  That's just ~way~ too many carbs for me. Oats and Wheat can make it hard
 to
  concentrate. All those carbs in the fruit and I am ready to jump around.
  
  Good on a weekend when I will be spending the whole day active, but on a
  weekday at the office carbs are for after work when the evening is to be
  spent on the water, or in the gym.
 
 Weird. I eat too many carbs, I get drowsy, not active. And mostly hungry 
 again. Too many protein, and I am mentally alert but also hungry, which is 
 distracting.
 
 My prefect balance, honed over the past few years, is one small piece of 
 fruit (or 1/2 large) topped off with cottage cheese and a (for American 
 standards very small) muffin made from rolled oats and oat fiber with a 
 little sugar, some eggwhites, and some olive oil + ground almonds. The
 fiber 
 doesn't count as carbs as it doesn't get assimilated, but it's really good 
 for the system. :)
 
 Not trying to convert you just saying it works for me. ;)  Universal diets 
 (as in healthy eating regimens, not slimming diets) are so bogus: everyone 
 has different metabolism and activity levels.

People are different. Different people need to eat a different diet.
Personaly I need high protien, carbs from corn, plenty of fruit in the
evening.

You seem to need a lot of carbs in general but a lot from grains, and lower
protien. 

My wife doesn't feel right unless she get's rice. She eats wheat and it does
nothing for her but produce fat. So she never get's full, but puts on weight
if she tries to get her carbs from wheat. Rice and she feels full and
healthy.

The worse thing anyone can do is look at the average diet and try to eat
what they are told. The pyramid just doesn't work for everyone. 



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shrubCo cuts AIDS funding for africa / asia again

2003-08-28 Thread The Fool
http://www.guardian.co.uk/aids/story/0,7369,1030583,00.html

US ends funds for African Aids programme 

Suzanne Goldenberg in Washington
Thursday August 28, 2003
The Guardian 

The US government has cut off funds to an Aids programme for refugees in
Africa - six weeks after President George Bush toured the continent
promising to fight the disease - because it objects to the activities of
one of the aid agencies involved, Marie Stopes International. 
A state department official said yesterday that US law prohibited the
funding of organisations that support China's repressive population
policy - a definition sufficiently elastic to include Marie Stopes, which
runs family planning programmes there. 

However, organisations that work on reproductive health and Aids argue
that the decision betrays the Bush administration's wider hostility to
abortion. Its commitment to a rightwing Christian agenda has led it to
promote abstinence as a strategy against HIV-Aids in preference to
condoms, they say. 

The present funding cut is curious because Marie Stopes is just one of
seven agencies involved in a project to promote HIV-Aids prevention and
awareness in Liberia, Sierra Leone and Sudan, as well as in Sri Lanka,
Asia. The other partners are the International Rescue Committee, Care,
the American Refugee Committee, the Women's Commission for Refugee Women
and Children, John Snow International and Columbia University's
department of population and family health. 

News of the cuts emerged barely six weeks after Mr Bush toured five
African states to launch a $15bn (£9.5bn) Aids initiative. It was later
cut back drastically, with Congress approving just $2bn of the $3bn
sought in the first year. 

A state department official yesterday conceded that the consortium was
doing good work. Last year, the state department gave $1m to the
consortium, formed eight years ago, but it decided to end aid this year. 

The nature of the decision was a legal one, and it is based on the
relationship Marie Stopes enjoys with the Chinese government, a state
department official said. 

At no point has the state department accused Marie Stopes of abetting
forced abortions and sterilisations. It appears to be implicated by its
association. Marie Stopes has a relationship with the Chinese government
and its birth limitation programmes that has caused a legal impediment,
the official added. 

Marie Stopes argues that its work on contraception in China is intended
to halt the need for abortion. We are working for the opposite of that -
to reduce abortion and increase choices, Samantha Guy, a Marie Stopes
spokeswoman, said. 

She said the aid cut would force the organisation to cancel a new project
in Angola. 

Marie Stopes is the second agency targeted by the Bush administration,
which is rigorously enforcing a 1985 law that bans US federal funding for
groups that assist in enforced sterilisation or abortion. 

In July 2002, the White House overrode Congress to block a $34m award to
the UN Population Fund for its work. UNFPA works with Marie Stopes and
other agencies in China. 

It did so despite compelling evidence. UNFPA confines its activities to
32 counties in China, selected because they agreed in 1998 to abandon
targets and quotas for abortion, according to a spokeswoman for the
agency, Kristin Hetle. 

Organisations working on reproductive health argue that the law is being
used to mask a wider agenda of the Bush administration, which has poured
funding into programmes preaching sexual abstinence as a strategy against
teenage pregnancy and Aids. It has also promoted such tactics in foreign
aid programmes, favouring Christian organisations over other, more
established agencies. 


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Re: BBC to put television show archive online

2003-08-28 Thread Reggie Bautista
Bryon wrote:
I've read Gaiman's Neverwhere, but had no idea they made a series out of it 
until I saw it listed at Amazon.  Is the series any good?  Faithful to the 
book?  Worth buying the DVD set?
My understanding is that the series came first, and then Gaiman made a book 
out of it.  I could be wrong though...

Reggie Bautista

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The immorality of the Ten Commandments

2003-08-28 Thread The Fool
http://slate.msn.com/id/2087621/

Moore's Law
The immorality of the Ten Commandments.
By Christopher Hitchens
Posted Wednesday, August 27, 2003, at 2:04 PM PT 


 
The row over the boulder-sized version of the so-called Ten
Commandments, and as to whether they should be exhibited in such massive
shape on public property, misses the opportunity to consider these top-10
divine ordinances and their relationship to original intent. Judge Roy
Moore is clearly, as well as a fool and a publicity-hound, a man who
identifies the Mount Sinai orders to Moses with a certain interpretation
of Protestantism. But we may ask ourselves why any sect, however
primitive, would want to base itself on such vague pre-Christian desert
morality (assuming Moses to be pre-Christian).

 
The first four of the commandments have little to do with either law or
morality, and the first three suggest a terrific insecurity on the part
of the person supposedly issuing them. I am the lord thy god and thou
shalt have no other ... no graven images ... no taking of my name in
vain: surely these could have been compressed into a more general
injunction to show respect. The ensuing order to set aside a holy day is
scarcely a moral or ethical one, unless you assume that other days are
somehow profane. (The Rev. Ian Paisley, I remember, used to refuse
interviewers for Sunday newspapers even after it was pointed out to him
that it's the Monday edition that is prepared on Sunday.) Whereas a day
of rest, as prefigured in the opening passages of Genesis, is no more
than organized labor might have demanded, perhaps during the arduous days
of unpaid pyramid erection.

So the first four commandments have almost nothing to do with moral
conduct and cannot in any case be enforced by law unless the state
forbids certain sorts of art all week, including religious and
iconographic art—and all activity on the Sabbath (which the words of the
fourth commandment do not actually require). The next instruction is to
honor one's parents: a harmless enough idea, but again unenforceable in
law and inapplicable to the many orphans that nature or god sees fit to
create. That there should be no itemized utterance enjoining the
protection of children seems odd, given that the commandments are
addressed in the first instance to adults. But then, the same god
frequently urged his followers to exterminate various forgotten enemy
tribes down to the last infant, sparing only the virgins, so this may be
a case where hand-tying or absolute prohibitions were best avoided.

There has never yet been any society, Confucian or Buddhist or Islamic,
where the legal codes did not frown upon murder and theft. These offenses
were certainly crimes in the Pharaonic Egypt from which the children of
Israel had, if the story is to be believed, just escaped. So the
middle-ranking commandments, of which the chief one has long been
confusingly rendered thou shalt not kill, leave us none the wiser as to
whether the almighty considers warfare to be murder, or taxation and
confiscation to be theft. Tautology hovers over the whole enterprise.

In much the same way, few if any courts in any recorded society have
approved the idea of perjury, so the idea that witnesses should tell the
truth can scarcely have required a divine spark in order to take root. To
how many of its original audience, I mean to say, can this have come with
the force of revelation? Then it's a swift wrap-up with a condemnation of
adultery (from which humans actually can refrain) and a prohibition upon
covetousness (from which they cannot). To insist that people not annex
their neighbor's cattle or wife or anything that is his might be
reasonable, even if it does place the wife in the same category as the
cattle, and presumably to that extent diminishes the offense of adultery.
But to demand don't even think about it is absurd and totalitarian, and
furthermore inhibiting to the Protestant spirit of entrepreneurship and
competition. 

One is presuming (is one not?) that this is the same god who actually
created the audience he was addressing. This leaves us with the insoluble
mystery of why he would have molded (in his own image, yet) a covetous,
murderous, disrespectful, lying, and adulterous species. Create them
sick, and then command them to be well? What a mad despot this is, and
how fortunate we are that he exists only in the minds of his worshippers.

It's obviously too much to expect that a Bronze Age demagogue should have
remembered to condemn drug abuse, drunken driving, or offenses against
gender equality, or to demand prayer in the schools. Still, to have left
rape and child abuse and genocide and slavery out of the account is to
have been negligent to some degree, even by the lax standards of the
time. I wonder what would happen if secularists were now to insist that
the verses of the Bible that actually recommend enslavement, mutilation,
stoning, and mass murder of civilians be incised on the walls of, say,
public 

The Inquisition in Alabama

2003-08-28 Thread The Fool
http://www.publicbroadcasting.net/wxxi/news.newsmain?action=articleARTICL
E_ID=538904

The Inquisition in Alabama 
By Susan Dunn 


(2003-08-27) WILLIAMSTOWN, MASS. - In 1784, Patrick Henry, then a
Virginia legislator, proposed a bill that imposed a moderate annual tax
on all citizens of Virginia for the support of the Christian religion.
When he read the bill, James Madison saw red. For Madison, Henry's bill
spelled the beginning of a new Inquisition.
Distant as [the bill] may be, in its present form, from the
Inquisition, he wrote, it differs from it only in degree. The one is
the first step, the other the last in the career of intolerance.

Unlike some Americans today who applaud monuments of the Ten Commandments
on state property that sanctify the Judeo-Christian tradition, Madison
was adamant that Christian religion deserved no privileged status
whatsoever; to single out one religion, he wrote, degrades from the
equal rank of Citizens all those who have a different sense of the
divine. Who does not see, he asked in 1785, that the same authority
which can establish Christianity, in exclusion of all other Religions,
may establish with the same ease any particular sect of Christianity, in
exclusion of all other Sects?

Indeed, for Madison, freedom of religion was the foundation of all other
rights. When he first proposed a bill of rights to Congress in June 1789,
he underscored freedom of conscience: The civil rights of none shall be
abridged on account of religious belief or worship, nor shall any
national religion be established, nor shall the full and equal rights of
conscience be in any manner, or on any pretext, abridged.

There was no murky area concerning the separation of church and state for
Madison: he saw only black and white. When he was president in 1811, as
his biographer Irving Brant reminds us, a bill came up to grant a certain
piece of land to a Baptist church in Mississippi; because of a surveying
error, the church had been built on federal land. Wasn't it fair to
rectify the error and give the church the land? Madison said no and
vetoed the bill. He saw a slippery slope and a dangerous precedent.

Madison even objected to chaplains in Congress who were paid out of the
federal taxes. The appointment of congressional chaplains, he wrote, was
a palpable violation of equal rights because it shut the door of
worship against the members whose creeds and consciences forbid a
participation in that of the majority. Chaplains for the Army and Navy
fared no better in his mind. And yet, because chaplains in the Army and
Navy already existed, he thought the more prudent course was to leave
certain small matters alone. Nor did proclamations of thanksgiving meet
his test of separation of church and state for, he wrote, they seem to
imply and certainly nourish the erroneous idea of a national religion.

Not all politicians or even presidents have understood Madison's intent -
not even his contemporary John Adams. In his inaugural speech in 1797,
President Adams addressed his words to all who call themselves
Christians, and, at the close of his speech, declared that it was his
duty to end by reminding Americans that a decent respect for
Christianity was the best recommendation for public service.

But, he would later write - perhaps as apologetically: Nothing is more
dreaded than the national government meddling with religion.

Eighteenth-century rationality is a hard act to follow. But Alabamians -
who have wrangled over a Ten Commandments monument in the state judicial
building - as well as the rest of Americans would do well to return to
the words of the founders for a cool lesson in the meaning of freedom of
conscience and tolerance.

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mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise, every
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Re: Creative spam

2003-08-28 Thread Deborah Harrell
--- David Hobby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Deborah Harrell wrote:
  
  Lo, these many years ago, in college Organic
  Chemistry, I and a friend created the 'O-chem
Personality Wheel,' with categories from
Ortho-normal
  (your basic staid and sedate microbiology major)
on
  to Para-normal (included mushroom-tea drinkers)
and
  Epi-normal (off-the-ringers who were fun at
parties
 but not invited to all-night study/gossip
sessions);
  Abi-normals were of course those too weird to
 relate even to DDers or SCAers!  ;D
  
  Debbi
  Meta-normal Herself Maru  :)
 
   I give, what does meta-normal mean then?

LOL
Well, as my friends and I didn't want to consider
ourselves 'normal' 'weird' *or* 'sedate,' Meta-normals
were of course practically perfect in every way...
huge grin

On Casual Aquaintence I'd Seem To Be Ortho-normal
Actually Maru  ;D

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How the RIAA tracks songs

2003-08-28 Thread Horn, John
http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/internet/08/28/downloading.music.ap/ind
ex.html

WASHINGTON (AP) -- The recording industry is providing its most
detailed glimpse into some of the detective-style techniques it has
employed as part of its secretive campaign against online music
swappers. 
The disclosures were included in court papers filed against a
Brooklyn woman fighting efforts to identify her for allegedly
sharing nearly 1,000 songs over the Internet. The recording industry
disputed her defense that songs on her family's computer were from
compact discs she had legally purchased. 

  - jmh
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Re: Creative spam

2003-08-28 Thread Jon Gabriel
From: Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Creative spam
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 12:06:21 -0700 (PDT)
--- David Hobby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Deborah Harrell wrote:
 
  Lo, these many years ago, in college Organic
  Chemistry, I and a friend created the 'O-chem
Personality Wheel,' with categories from
Ortho-normal
  (your basic staid and sedate microbiology major)
on
  to Para-normal (included mushroom-tea drinkers)
and
  Epi-normal (off-the-ringers who were fun at
parties
 but not invited to all-night study/gossip
sessions);
  Abi-normals were of course those too weird to
 relate even to DDers or SCAers!  ;D
 
  Debbi
  Meta-normal Herself Maru  :)

I give, what does meta-normal mean then?
LOL
Well, as my friends and I didn't want to consider
ourselves 'normal' 'weird' *or* 'sedate,' Meta-normals
were of course practically perfect in every way...
huge grin
On Casual Aquaintence I'd Seem To Be Ortho-normal
Actually Maru  ;D
MY question was 'what in the heck is mushroom tea', which, when googled 
prompted the following url:
http://www.fda.gov/bbs/topics/ANSWERS/ANS00650.html

Full text follows:

 FDA CAUTIONS CONSUMERS ON KOMBUCHA MUSHROOM TEA

FDA has been receiving inquiries about Kombucha mushroom tea -- a 
product which has been mentioned in media reports lately for many uses, from 
inducing a general state of well being to treating diseases such as AIDS and 
cancer.  FDA has not approved this product as a treatment for any medical 
condition.  The following information can be used to answer questions:
Kombucha mushroom tea, also known as Manchurian tea or Kargasok 
tea, is not actually derived from a mushroom, but from the fermentation of 
various yeasts and bacteria.  A starter culture is added to a mixture of 
black tea and sugar, and the resulting mix is allowed to ferment for a week 
or more.
 The product contains considerable quantities of acids commonly found 
in some foods such as vinegar, and smaller quantities of ethyl alcohol.  
Because the acid could leach harmful quantities of lead and other toxic 
elements from certain types of containers -- some ceramic and painted 
containers and
lead crystal -- such containers should not be used for storing Kombucha tea.
The unconventional nature of the process used to make Kombucha tea has 
led to questions as to whether the product could become contaminated with 
potentially harmful microorganisms, such as the mold Aspergillus.  Such 
contamination could produce serious adverse effects in immune-compromised 
individuals.
FDA studies have found no evidence of contamination in Kombucha 
products fermented under sterile conditions.  FDA and state of California 
inspections of the facilities of a major Kombucha tea supplier also found 
that its product was being manufactured under sanitary conditions.
However, the agency still has concerns that home-brewed versions of 
this tea manufactured under non-sterile conditions may be prone to 
microbiological contamination.  FDA will continue to monitor the situation 
and encourages consumers to consult appropriate health professionals for the 
treatment of serious diseases.
   

Yuck.
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Re: Global Warming

2003-08-28 Thread Deborah Harrell
--- Kevin Tarr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I wrote:
 --- William T Goodall wrote:
  

http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns4072
  
   Europe may be breathing a sigh of relief as its
   record-breaking
   heatwave eases, but there is still plenty to
 worry about. Temperature
   changes caused by global warming are likely to
   transform agriculture on
   both sides of the Atlantic
 snip
   The eastern and western seaboards of the US will
   become much wetter
   over the next century, while some central states
   will become so starved
   of water that they will be unable to support
   agriculture at all. 
 
 I'd guessed it from our drought -- Colorado is one
 of the places forecast to become more arid in this
 report:
 
 But Kansas, Colorado and Nebraska are just some of
 the central states that could suffer drought, the
 researchers say in two papers published in June
this
 year (Agricultural and Forest Meteorology, vol 117,
 p73 and p 97).
 
 So, are the idiot developers still putting in
 Kentucky
 bluegrass lawns instead of native prairie grasses?
 -oh, yeah.  :/
snip 
 
 Colorado and Nebraksa? You mean the states that have
 active sand dunes? Now 
 how could sand be there, if drought is caused by
 global warming? 

drily
Well, sand in and of itself isn't the issue -- after
all, Florida and Hawaii both have sand too (and maybe
dunes, for all I know).  The problem is loss of
rainfall in already-arid or semi-arid regions, which
can convert useful-to-humans land into non-livable
land (and that says nothing of the flora and fauna,
see link below).

Could it 
 be natural hundred and thousand year cycles causing
 drought and wet 
 conditions? Nah, that's too easy (and there's no
 money to be made off of it).

http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/paleo/drought/drght_data.html

scratches head in puzzlement  Uh, as to the latter,
*I* certainly won't profit by proclaiming that human
activity is contributing to the current warming.  Or
is profiting from selling drought-tolerant lawn-grass
unacceptable, while profiting from raising gasoline
prices right before a holiday weekend is merely
taking what the market will bear?  :P

sarcasm mode off
No one denies that the climate changes, that it has
done so in the past, and will do so in the future; it
is the current and near-future-calculated
*rate-of-change* that concerns many scientists now -
and human activity has affected the rise of greenhouse
gases.

http://www.publicaffairs.noaa.gov/releases2000/feb00/noaa00010.html
Researchers at the Commerce Department's National
Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration have found
evidence that indicates that the rate of global
warming is accelerating and that in the past 25 years
it achieved the rate previously predicted for the 21st
century (2 degrees C per century)...

http://yosemite.epa.gov/oar/globalwarming.nsf/content/climateuncertainties.html
Scientists know for certain that human activities are
changing the composition of Earth's atmosphere.
Increasing levels of greenhouse gases, like carbon
dioxide (CO2 ), in the atmosphere since pre-industrial
times have been well documented. There is no doubt
this atmospheric buildup of carbon dioxide and other
greenhouse gases is largely the result of human
activities.

It's well accepted by scientists that greenhouse
gases trap heat in the Earth's atmosphere and tend to
warm the planet. By increasing the levels of
greenhouse gases in the atmosphere, human activities
are strengthening Earth's natural greenhouse effect.
The key greenhouse gases emitted by human activities
remain in the atmosphere for periods ranging from
decades to centuries.

A warming trend of about 1°F has been recorded since
the late 19th century. Warming has occurred in both
the northern and southern hemispheres, and over the
oceans. Confirmation of 20th-century global warming is
further substantiated by melting glaciers, decreased
snow cover in the northern hemisphere and even warming
below ground...

Civilizations that may have collapsed under natural
drought conditions include the Mayans (mentioned in
the link you gave), and the 'Anasazi' in the Four
Corners area.  It is likely that the Anasazi
contributed to their collapse by over-cutting trees
and cutting water channels/creating arroyos:
http://www.abc.net.au/science/features/societies/#anasazi

The Easter Islanders denuded their home of trees,
leading to eventual collapse of their civilization:
http://www.abc.net.au/science/features/societies/#easter

Data for the impact of recent temperature rise on
various animals and plants has been documented:
http://www.stanford.edu/dept/news/pr/03/root18.html

Global warming is having a significant impact on
hundreds of plant and animal species around the world
-- although the most dramatic effects may not be felt
for decades, according to a new study in the journal
Nature... 

...The authors pointed out that, although plants and
animals have responded to climatic changes throughout
their evolutionary history, a 

Re: unconstitutional House vote sanctifies religion

2003-08-28 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 8/27/2003 5:01:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

 On the flip side, many are claiming that to forcibly remove the Ten 
 Commandments monument would violate _their_ First Amendment rights of 
 freedom of religion.
 
 (I'm not arguing one way or the other here, but simply reporting that both 
 sides are using the same Constitutional argument to support 
 their positions.)

Removal of the monument does not violate anyone's freedom of religion. They can still 
believe in the 10 commandments, they can carry a personal copy, they can have the 
commandments prominantly displayed in their homes and places of worship. It cannot be 
displayed in a public place.
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I get the most interesting spam [ was: Fw: Buy drugs, Heroin,Tomohawk rockets, cocaine and other shit

2003-08-28 Thread Robert Seeberger
Outstanding!!!
Anyone else getting love notes like this?

rob


- Original Message - 
From: Alexis Isabella [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 5:44 AM
Subject: Buy drugs, Heroin, Tomohawk rockets, cocaine and other shit


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Re: The immorality of the Ten Commandments

2003-08-28 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 8/28/2003 1:59:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

 Moore's Law
 The immorality of the Ten Commandments.
 By Christopher Hitchens
 Posted Wednesday, August 27, 2003, at 2:04 PM PT


George Carlin did this first and it was funnier 
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