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From: Travis Edmunds [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] How about Nils Lofgren? From what I've heard he's the guitarists pick for best guitarist. He's been around forever but has never completely gotten his due from the general public. - jmh Who? I've never heard of him. Which I guess, helps validate your last sentance...lol Nils got his start with Neil Young as part of Crazy Horse. Then he started Grin and put out a couple of fantastic albums including 1+1. Then he went solo. He joined Bruce Springsteen's E Street Band in 1984 and was always introduced by Bruce as the worlds greatest guitarist. He has continued to put out some great, great solo stuff since then. (more info at http:www.nilslofgren.com). I was a big fan even before he joined up with Bruce (I am the list's resident Springsteen fanatic). - jmh ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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From: Horn, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: This Is Spinal Ta-, er, Metallica Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 07:24:49 -0600 From: Travis Edmunds [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] boring). You want a good guitarist, with good mechanics, that's not flashy/trashy, and just may have an exceptional ear? Mark Knopfler. How about Nils Lofgren? From what I've heard he's the guitarists pick for best guitarist. He's been around forever but has never completely gotten his due from the general public. - jmh Who? I've never heard of him. Which I guess, helps validate your last sentance...lol -Travis _ MSN Premium includes powerful parental controls and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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From: Travis Edmunds [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] boring). You want a good guitarist, with good mechanics, that's not flashy/trashy, and just may have an exceptional ear? Mark Knopfler. How about Nils Lofgren? From what I've heard he's the guitarists pick for best guitarist. He's been around forever but has never completely gotten his due from the general public. - jmh ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Horn, John wrote: From: Travis Edmunds [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] boring). You want a good guitarist, with good mechanics, that's not flashy/trashy, and just may have an exceptional ear? Mark Knopfler. How about Nils Lofgren? From what I've heard he's the guitarists pick for best guitarist. He's been around forever but has never completely gotten his due from the general public. And he hasn't had a dinosaur named after him. Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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From: Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: This Is Spinal Ta-, er, Metallica Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 18:03:11 -0600 - Original Message - From: Travis Edmunds [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 10:26 AM Subject: Re: This Is Spinal Ta-, er, Metallica From: Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: This Is Spinal Ta-, er, Metallica Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 22:52:16 -0600 - Original Message - From: Travis Edmunds [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 10:36 AM Subject: Re: This Is Spinal Ta-, er, Metallica From: Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: This Is Spinal Ta-, er, Metallica Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 19:14:15 -0600 If it's relevance has diminished over time, then it can't be that important. As opposed to the likes of Iron Man or Paranoid of course, which have not faded in any way. Those have faded in relavence also. You must not be exposed to people who are really into Zepplin. If you mean that they don't get as much radio play as Justin Timberlake, then I can't disagree with you. But musicians, particularly of the Heavy Metal ilk, cite those songs along with others as being very influential to themselves. Whereas Communication Breakdown is lost in translation so to speak. Zepplin had influence over a broader spectrum of musicians for sure. Thats why one would say that Zepplin was more influential than Sabbath. But Sabbath does hold a special place with the Metal crowd, not because Sabbath was specifically Metal, but because most Metal bands desired the dark sound that Sabbath epitomized. Sure. But you cited Communication Breakdown as being influential in metal. Something that I don't really see. At the very least, not as much as say, some Sabbath songs. OK, I see what you are looking for now. Consider the proposition that Sabbath's Symptom Of The Universe (from Sabbath Bloody Sabbath I think) is little more than a Sabbatized version of Communication Breakdown. Of course lots of bands have covered the song itself, Black Crowes, Iron Maiden, GNR, and others. GNR? I think not. And I doubt that they would have covered it without me knowing. They did however, cover It's Allright. Aerosmith One of the greatest Rock bandsever. Tyler is an amazing vocalist. Joe Perry is one of the best at inventing guitar hooks. Really oustanding at times. Ok, Perry himself admits that he's not a guitarists guitarist, but to brand him as one of the best at inventing guitar hooks...ah...no... Guitar hooks have very little to do with a players quality. Perry is a good guitarist, but not a great one. What he does have is an exceptional ear for a catchy guitar phrase, hence my comment. I dislike the use of the word exceptional. I don't think it applies to Joe in the least. I refer you to virtually *all* of Toys In The Attic. You will not get me in agreement with you on this score Robert! Unless you were to rephrase a few things... Wellan exceptional ear doesn't require that flashy pyrotechnics appear on any albums, just good riffage if a guy has good mechanics. xponent News At Eleven Maru rob Of course. But Joe Perry still sucks. He doesn't have good mechanics (especially not RIFFAGE). Besides, Aerosmiths' songs are more of an entire song-based package, rather than a display of good guitar (which YES doesn't require flashy pyrotechnics as that over the top stuff can get a little boring). You want a good guitarist, with good mechanics, that's not flashy/trashy, and just may have an exceptional ear? Mark Knopfler. -Travis all this talk of Joe Perry has me in Dire Straits Edmunds _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcommpgmarket=en-caRU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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From: Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: This Is Spinal Ta-, er, Metallica Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 22:52:16 -0600 - Original Message - From: Travis Edmunds [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 10:36 AM Subject: Re: This Is Spinal Ta-, er, Metallica From: Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: This Is Spinal Ta-, er, Metallica Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 19:14:15 -0600 If it's relevance has diminished over time, then it can't be that important. As opposed to the likes of Iron Man or Paranoid of course, which have not faded in any way. Those have faded in relavence also. You must not be exposed to people who are really into Zepplin. If you mean that they don't get as much radio play as Justin Timberlake, then I can't disagree with you. But musicians, particularly of the Heavy Metal ilk, cite those songs along with others as being very influential to themselves. Whereas Communication Breakdown is lost in translation so to speak. Zepplin had influence over a broader spectrum of musicians for sure. Thats why one would say that Zepplin was more influential than Sabbath. But Sabbath does hold a special place with the Metal crowd, not because Sabbath was specifically Metal, but because most Metal bands desired the dark sound that Sabbath epitomized. Sure. But you cited Communication Breakdown as being influential in metal. Something that I don't really see. At the very least, not as much as say, some Sabbath songs. Aerosmith One of the greatest Rock bandsever. Tyler is an amazing vocalist. Joe Perry is one of the best at inventing guitar hooks. Really oustanding at times. Ok, Perry himself admits that he's not a guitarists guitarist, but to brand him as one of the best at inventing guitar hooks...ah...no... Guitar hooks have very little to do with a players quality. Perry is a good guitarist, but not a great one. What he does have is an exceptional ear for a catchy guitar phrase, hence my comment. I dislike the use of the word exceptional. I don't think it applies to Joe in the least. I refer you to virtually *all* of Toys In The Attic. You will not get me in agreement with you on this score Robert! Unless you were to rephrase a few things... -Travis _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcommpgmarket=en-caRU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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- Original Message - From: Travis Edmunds [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 10:26 AM Subject: Re: This Is Spinal Ta-, er, Metallica From: Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: This Is Spinal Ta-, er, Metallica Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 22:52:16 -0600 - Original Message - From: Travis Edmunds [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 10:36 AM Subject: Re: This Is Spinal Ta-, er, Metallica From: Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: This Is Spinal Ta-, er, Metallica Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 19:14:15 -0600 If it's relevance has diminished over time, then it can't be that important. As opposed to the likes of Iron Man or Paranoid of course, which have not faded in any way. Those have faded in relavence also. You must not be exposed to people who are really into Zepplin. If you mean that they don't get as much radio play as Justin Timberlake, then I can't disagree with you. But musicians, particularly of the Heavy Metal ilk, cite those songs along with others as being very influential to themselves. Whereas Communication Breakdown is lost in translation so to speak. Zepplin had influence over a broader spectrum of musicians for sure. Thats why one would say that Zepplin was more influential than Sabbath. But Sabbath does hold a special place with the Metal crowd, not because Sabbath was specifically Metal, but because most Metal bands desired the dark sound that Sabbath epitomized. Sure. But you cited Communication Breakdown as being influential in metal. Something that I don't really see. At the very least, not as much as say, some Sabbath songs. OK, I see what you are looking for now. Consider the proposition that Sabbath's Symptom Of The Universe (from Sabbath Bloody Sabbath I think) is little more than a Sabbatized version of Communication Breakdown. Of course lots of bands have covered the song itself, Black Crowes, Iron Maiden, GNR, and others. Aerosmith One of the greatest Rock bandsever. Tyler is an amazing vocalist. Joe Perry is one of the best at inventing guitar hooks. Really oustanding at times. Ok, Perry himself admits that he's not a guitarists guitarist, but to brand him as one of the best at inventing guitar hooks...ah...no... Guitar hooks have very little to do with a players quality. Perry is a good guitarist, but not a great one. What he does have is an exceptional ear for a catchy guitar phrase, hence my comment. I dislike the use of the word exceptional. I don't think it applies to Joe in the least. I refer you to virtually *all* of Toys In The Attic. You will not get me in agreement with you on this score Robert! Unless you were to rephrase a few things... Wellan exceptional ear doesn't require that flashy pyrotechnics appear on any albums, just good riffage if a guy has good mechanics. xponent News At Eleven Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Robert Seeberger wrote: Rush is not an easy band to get into. But when you do, the music speaks for itself. Really? I loved Rush from the first time I listened. To me, they *defined* nerd rock in the early 80's. :) -Judas Priest Good metal, Their hits were head and shoulders above the rest of that crowd. Even though I wasn't really a fan, when I got a chance to see them in concert ~1989, I took it. And a good thing I did too, because it was some helluva show. Especially when you figure they were already in their 40's by then. 2.5 hours straight hours of butt-kickingly good stuff. It definitely converted me. -Boston Overrated arena rock band. And talk about having a patent on a sound! -Cheap Trick Better than most people think, but the uneven quality of their albums always held them back. Ever hear their stuff off the Heavy Metal soundtrack? It was some of their best stuff, IMO. Jim Tossing in a few cents Maru ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Matthew Bos wrote: Travis Edmunds wrote: You like Slayer!? Neat. I have never had the response of neat whenever I say I listen to Slayer. New cool guitar orientated rock groups? The Darkness, and Los Lonely Boys. The Darkenss cracks me up. They're like the evil bastard child of Cinderella and Queen. :) Long hair no more Me either. Though I had a mullet rather than all long hair. And to clarify, I had a mullet before it became a reliable indicator of wife-beating tendencies. ;-) Jim For those about to rock, we Maru you ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Robert Seeberger wrote: From: Jim Sharkey For those about to rock, we Maru you That's got to be in the running for the best Maru ever! Hey, thanks! I didn't even know there was a contest going on! ;-) Now if I only knoew the origins of the Maru, I'd feel worthy of this great honor... *shifty eyes* Jim ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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From: Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: This Is Spinal Ta-, er, Metallica Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 19:14:27 -0600 - Original Message - From: Travis Edmunds [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 11:42 AM Subject: Re: This Is Spinal Ta-, er, Metallica From: Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: This Is Spinal Ta-, er, Metallica Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 19:01:20 -0600 - Original Message - From: Travis Edmunds [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 10:36 AM Subject: Re: This Is Spinal Ta-, er, Metallica From: Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: This Is Spinal Ta-, er, Metallica Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 19:14:15 -0600 If it's relevance has diminished over time, then it can't be that important. As opposed to the likes of Iron Man or Paranoid of course, which have not faded in any way. Those have faded in relavence also. You must not be exposed to people who are really into Zepplin. If you mean that they don't get as much radio play as Justin Timberlake, then I can't disagree with you. But musicians, particularly of the Heavy Metal ilk, cite those songs along with others as being very influential to themselves. Whereas Communication Breakdown is lost in translation so to speak. As far as me being exposed to Zep freaks, I'm feeling claustrophobic. They're everywhere!! I don't know one person in the real world (that has ANY sort of musical credentials) who doesn't worship Zep. Good songs, but for those of us who lived through those times they were MOS. Actually, this is where your POV is usefull because you can see the groups whole catalogue simultaneously whereas we older folks tend to view the same catalogue temporaly. Have you ever noticed this effect where people like a bands first few albums immensely and their later albums somewhat less so? Thats where we old folks are at a disadvantage at least as far as decades old music is concerned. I have noticed what you mention. I have a question however. Is change a static thing? I don't know that that is the proper way to phrase the question, to be honest. But I know what you mean. I would have to say that change is a constant thing. The only thing that really changes about change is the rate of change. (What a weird sentence!) And over the past century, the rate of change has increased significantly. You can see this in almost every mode of human endevour. I agree. Travis? Are familiar with the term The Singularity? It is an important concept and one it would help to be familiar with, just in case such an occurance pops up during our lifetimes. (No snide remarks! We all know it is a possibility) Do you mean (A) singualarity? If so, I saw one the other night on TNG. If not...then could you explain? I probably am familiar with what you speak of, but it's not exactly rolling of my tongue. Supertramp Blah. Ever try Crime Of The Century or Crisis What Crisis? Actually no. But blah. Give them a chance someday. There is some really good stuff in there.G Perhaps I will. Understand however, that I will hold you personally responsible for the content of that music!! Aerosmith One of the greatest Rock bandsever. Tyler is an amazing vocalist. Joe Perry is one of the best at inventing guitar hooks. Really oustanding at times. Ok, Perry himself admits that he's not a guitarists guitarist, but to brand him as one of the best at inventing guitar hooks...ah...no... Guitar hooks have very little to do with a players quality. Perry is a good guitarist, but not a great one. What he does have is an exceptional ear for a catchy guitar phrase, hence my comment. I dislike the use of the word exceptional. I don't think it applies to Joe in the least. Horslips Heard of, I think, but never heard. You like Tull? I had a mind to look them up but I never. Seriously, I love Tull, but have never heard Horslips. Care to tell me a little? Absolutely on of my all time favorites. What Tull did with Scottish music, Horslips did with the Irish. The early albums are very energetic Irish folk rock, but the later albums are just great. Almost every album is a concept album. My favorite is Aliens, which is about refugees from the potato famine coming to America. Cool. I check them out when I get the chance. -Steppenwolf A solid heavy rock band of the sixties for the most part. Kaye is a good frontman live. He's excellent live!! I saw them back in 97. They sounded HEAVY. Oh! I caught one of the drumsticks that the drummer threw my way. -April Wine Posers Sign of the gypsy queen... -Heart One
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From: Matthew and Julie Bos [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: This Is Spinal Ta-, er, Metallica Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 01:16:59 -0500 On 2/27/04 1:04 PM, Travis Edmunds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You like Slayer!? Neat. How heavy are you willing to go, if you don't mind my asking? Do you listen to the likes of Sepultura, Soulfly, Pantera, White Zombie, Coal Chamber, or newer bands like Godsmack, Papa Roach, Korn, Static-X, Andrew W.K., Sevendust, Drowning Pool, Flaw? I have never had the response of neat whenever I say I listen to Slayer. That's a new one. Hey! Neat. How heavy do I go? Well for short periods of time I can handle some Napalm Death...but most of the other death metal has no appeal to me. Too fast to be useful, and the lyrics are downright stupid. About the other bands, I have listened to them all...but I can't recall any song by Flaw. Just to start with a little Flaw, try out Only The Strong. My favorites on that list would be Mr. Zombie, Pantera, Static-X, AWK, and Sevendust. Other current faves are Fear Factory, KMFDM, and Type 0 Negative. How about a little Cannibal Corpse, Mudvayne, Mushroomhead, System Of A Down, Ramstein, Deftones, or Ministry? So I'm a walking contradiction... Music isn't a rational enjoyment...we like what we like. No contradiction there. Although I might have to cut down on the Slayer and the Lords of Acid if I am elected Deacon in my church. lol Satriani is one of my fav guitarists. Though he is behind Vai, Malmsteen, Buckethead, and a few other select band guitarists such as Slash, Bratta, Van Halen, Petrucci and perhaps a few others. We are going to have to agree to disagree about this...the teacher has yet to be bettered by the pupil. Joe is simply more incredibler* in my opinion. If you have a good home theater spend the 15 bucks or so to get the DVD Live in San Francisco. Get the volume past 30% and make your mind happy. Joe is so technically perfect, I still have a hard time believing he plays that well. Well, I guess it comes down to who's style I like more. And that's Vai for me. Also, Vai IS technically more proficient than Satriani. Hear For The Love Of God, Get The Hell Outta Here, Fire Garden Suite, and many others. My list of guitar masters are Hendrix One of the most overrated guitarists to have ever walked this Earth. Vaughn, I don't he's THAT good. Satriani I'm fine with that. and Carlos (you may call him Mr. Santana) The world is a better place because of them. I have nothing bad to say about Santana. But I wouldn't consider him a great, GREAT. Matthew Bos -Travis _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Travis said: Do you mean (A) singualarity? If so, I saw one the other night on TNG. If not...then could you explain? I probably am familiar with what you speak of, but it's not exactly rolling of my tongue. He doesn't mean a physical singularity like the thing in the middle of black holes: he means a technological singularity, a time when technological change becomes so rapid that we (unaugmented, baseline people) aren't able to understand it any longer. The usual situation that people consider a technological singularity is a runaway self-improvement of artificial intelligences, although a runaway process of intelligence amplification is possible too. The idea of the Singularity in this sense was popularised by the computer scientist and sf writer Vernor Vinge but it goes right back to Turing and von Neumann, and possibly beyond. I think there's a non-zero probability of such a thing happening in our lifetime. In my more optimistic moments, I think it might even be likely. I also think it would be a good thing were it to happen. Rich ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Travis Edmunds wrote: Do you mean (A) singualarity? If so, I saw one the other night on TNG. If not...then could you explain? I probably am familiar with what you speak of, but it's not exactly rolling of my tongue. The Singularity Robert's talking about is metaphorically like a black hole-type singularity, because you can't see in from outside. The idea is that computing technology (and other technologies as well) has been increasing in speed and power exponentially. Assuming that exponential curve continues at the same rate, computers should have the raw processing power of a human brain in about 30 years or so, give or take a year or two. Moore's Law suggests that 18 months later, they'll be equivalent to 2 brains, then 18 months later, 4 brains, then 8 brains, 16 brains, etc. In the course of a few years, that effect should change society so much and so rapidly that people living before it happens can't even comprehend it, much less predict its effects with any reliability. Vernor Vinge is the main author who promoted the idea in science fiction, and serious stories since then have had to react to it. They either have to explain why it didn't happen in the particular far future society they're writing about, or find some way to imagine and write about a society where it did happen. __ Steve Sloan . Huntsville, Alabama = [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brin-L list pages .. http://www.brin-l.org Science Fiction-themed online store . http://www.sloan3d.com/store Chmeee's 3D Objects http://www.sloan3d.com/chmeee 3D and Drawing Galleries .. http://www.sloansteady.com Software Science Fiction, Science, and Computer Links Science fiction scans . http://www.sloan3d.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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From: Steve Sloan II [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: This Is Spinal Ta-, er, Metallica Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 09:22:33 -0600 Travis Edmunds wrote: Do you mean (A) singualarity? If so, I saw one the other night on TNG. If not...then could you explain? I probably am familiar with what you speak of, but it's not exactly rolling of my tongue. The Singularity Robert's talking about is metaphorically like a black hole-type singularity, because you can't see in from outside. The idea is that computing technology (and other technologies as well) has been increasing in speed and power exponentially. Assuming that exponential curve continues at the same rate, computers should have the raw processing power of a human brain in about 30 years or so, give or take a year or two. Moore's Law suggests that 18 months later, they'll be equivalent to 2 brains, then 18 months later, 4 brains, then 8 brains, 16 brains, etc. In the course of a few years, that effect should change society so much and so rapidly that people living before it happens can't even comprehend it, much less predict its effects with any reliability. Vernor Vinge is the main author who promoted the idea in science fiction, and serious stories since then have had to react to it. They either have to explain why it didn't happen in the particular far future society they're writing about, or find some way to imagine and write about a society where it did happen. Thanks Steve, AND Richard. Light has now been shed on Roberts singularity. -Travis _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/photospgmarket=en-caRU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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At 09:22 AM 2/28/04, Steve Sloan II wrote: Travis Edmunds wrote: Do you mean (A) singualarity? If so, I saw one the other night on TNG. If not...then could you explain? I probably am familiar with what you speak of, but it's not exactly rolling of my tongue. The Singularity Robert's talking about is metaphorically like a black hole-type singularity, because you can't see in from outside. The idea is that computing technology (and other technologies as well) has been increasing in speed and power exponentially. Assuming that exponential curve continues at the same rate, computers should have the raw processing power of a human brain in about 30 years or so, give or take a year or two. Moore's Law suggests that 18 months later, they'll be equivalent to 2 brains, then 18 months later, 4 brains, then 8 brains, 16 brains, etc. In the course of a few years, that effect should change society so much and so rapidly that people living before it happens can't even comprehend it, much less predict its effects with any reliability. Vernor Vinge is the main author who promoted the idea in science fiction, and serious stories since then have had to react to it. They either have to explain why it didn't happen in the particular far future society they're writing about Perhaps because some working in the AI field were predicting the same thing thirty years ago, and like controlled fusion as a commercially feasible power source, thirty years later it is still thirty years away? HAL Turned Seven Last Month And I Didn't Send A Card Maru -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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From: Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 09:22 AM 2/28/04, Steve Sloan II wrote: Travis Edmunds wrote: Do you mean (A) singualarity? If so, I saw one the other night on TNG. If not...then could you explain? I probably am familiar with what you speak of, but it's not exactly rolling of my tongue. The Singularity Robert's talking about is metaphorically like a black hole-type singularity, because you can't see in from outside. The idea is that computing technology (and other technologies as well) has been increasing in speed and power exponentially. Assuming that exponential curve continues at the same rate, computers should have the raw processing power of a human brain in about 30 years or so, give or take a year or two. Moore's Law suggests that 18 months later, they'll be equivalent to 2 brains, then 18 months later, 4 brains, then 8 brains, 16 brains, etc. In the course of a few years, that effect should change society so much and so rapidly that people living before it happens can't even comprehend it, much less predict its effects with any reliability. Vernor Vinge is the main author who promoted the idea in science fiction, and serious stories since then have had to react to it. They either have to explain why it didn't happen in the particular far future society they're writing about Perhaps because some working in the AI field were predicting the same thing thirty years ago, and like controlled fusion as a commercially feasible power source, thirty years later it is still thirty years away? The difference is that computer processor speed / # of transistors, RAM Size and Hard-Disk storage have all _continued_ doubling every 18 or so months, and will continue to do so. It's actually slightly faster than that (there are two exponents, the rate of doubling is also increasing if more slowly). Apparently the top Chess-AI Programs increase in Chess Rating at about 50 points per year. Only a few more years where a human can win or draw a computer before being completely bypassed. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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The Fool said: The difference is that computer processor speed / # of transistors, RAM Size and Hard-Disk storage have all _continued_ doubling every 18 or so months, and will continue to do so. It's actually slightly faster than that (there are two exponents, the rate of doubling is also increasing if more slowly). Fusion has advanced similarly. The key value, the triple product of plasma density, temperature and confinement time has increased by a factor of 10,000 in the last thirty years (its increase has been exponential for much of that period). It's now estimated to be within a factor of six of the value required for a commercial fusion reactor, which means it really might be close now. On the other hand, the price of fusion research is increasing and the intermediate step between reactors like JET and a pilot commercial plant might be too expensive just yet. Rich ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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- Original Message - From: Travis Edmunds [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 10:36 AM Subject: Re: This Is Spinal Ta-, er, Metallica From: Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: This Is Spinal Ta-, er, Metallica Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 19:14:15 -0600 If it's relevance has diminished over time, then it can't be that important. As opposed to the likes of Iron Man or Paranoid of course, which have not faded in any way. Those have faded in relavence also. You must not be exposed to people who are really into Zepplin. If you mean that they don't get as much radio play as Justin Timberlake, then I can't disagree with you. But musicians, particularly of the Heavy Metal ilk, cite those songs along with others as being very influential to themselves. Whereas Communication Breakdown is lost in translation so to speak. Zepplin had influence over a broader spectrum of musicians for sure. Thats why one would say that Zepplin was more influential than Sabbath. But Sabbath does hold a special place with the Metal crowd, not because Sabbath was specifically Metal, but because most Metal bands desired the dark sound that Sabbath epitomized. I have noticed what you mention. I have a question however. Is change a static thing? I don't know that that is the proper way to phrase the question, to be honest. But I know what you mean. I would have to say that change is a constant thing. The only thing that really changes about change is the rate of change. (What a weird sentence!) And over the past century, the rate of change has increased significantly. You can see this in almost every mode of human endevour. I agree. Travis? Are familiar with the term The Singularity? It is an important concept and one it would help to be familiar with, just in case such an occurance pops up during our lifetimes. (No snide remarks! We all know it is a possibility) Do you mean (A) singualarity? If so, I saw one the other night on TNG. If not...then could you explain? I probably am familiar with what you speak of, but it's not exactly rolling of my tongue. I haven't read the messages yet, but it looks as if others have answered for you. Supertramp Blah. Ever try Crime Of The Century or Crisis What Crisis? Actually no. But blah. Give them a chance someday. There is some really good stuff in there.G Perhaps I will. Understand however, that I will hold you personally responsible for the content of that music!! I'd love to be responsible for that! G Aerosmith One of the greatest Rock bandsever. Tyler is an amazing vocalist. Joe Perry is one of the best at inventing guitar hooks. Really oustanding at times. Ok, Perry himself admits that he's not a guitarists guitarist, but to brand him as one of the best at inventing guitar hooks...ah...no... Guitar hooks have very little to do with a players quality. Perry is a good guitarist, but not a great one. What he does have is an exceptional ear for a catchy guitar phrase, hence my comment. I dislike the use of the word exceptional. I don't think it applies to Joe in the least. I refer you to virtually *all* of Toys In The Attic. Horslips Heard of, I think, but never heard. You like Tull? I had a mind to look them up but I never. Seriously, I love Tull, but have never heard Horslips. Care to tell me a little? Absolutely on of my all time favorites. What Tull did with Scottish music, Horslips did with the Irish. The early albums are very energetic Irish folk rock, but the later albums are just great. Almost every album is a concept album. My favorite is Aliens, which is about refugees from the potato famine coming to America. Cool. I check them out when I get the chance. -Wings Beatles part 2 Do you say that as a good or bad thing? A good thing. xponent Bluebird Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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From: Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: This Is Spinal Ta-, er, Metallica Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 19:01:20 -0600 - Original Message - From: Travis Edmunds [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 10:36 AM Subject: Re: This Is Spinal Ta-, er, Metallica From: Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: This Is Spinal Ta-, er, Metallica Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 19:14:15 -0600 Highway Star and Communication Breakdown (Led Zep) are probably the two most important songs in the history of Metal. There must BE a Communication Breakdown here!! Do you honestly mean that? AbsofreekinlutelyYou have no idea how influential that one song was at the time. It spawned tonnes of music that were basicly attempts to capture the same energy and sound. It was one of those wierd phenamena where every garage band could sorta play the song, but very few could really capture the feel of the song itself I fail to see the importance of that song. I really do. Yeah.thats a fair assumption for *you* to make really. The song has quite a bit of relavence historically and for those who lived through those times. But it is quite true that its relevance is mostly diminished with time even though echoes of it can still be heard from time to time. If it's relevance has diminished over time, then it can't be that important. As opposed to the likes of Iron Man or Paranoid of course, which have not faded in any way. What about some other Kansas tunes like Glimpse Of Home, Loner, or The Pinnacle? Good songs, but for those of us who lived through those times they were MOS. Actually, this is where your POV is usefull because you can see the groups whole catalogue simultaneously whereas we older folks tend to view the same catalogue temporaly. Have you ever noticed this effect where people like a bands first few albums immensely and their later albums somewhat less so? Thats where we old folks are at a disadvantage at least as far as decades old music is concerned. I have noticed what you mention. I have a question however. Is change a static thing? Supertramp Blah. Ever try Crime Of The Century or Crisis What Crisis? Actually no. But blah. Rush Very solid band. Way back when I hated Rush and Zepplin with a purple passion. I was wrong. Rush is not an easy band to get into. But when you do, the music speaks for itself. Aerosmith One of the greatest Rock bandsever. Tyler is an amazing vocalist. Joe Perry is one of the best at inventing guitar hooks. Really oustanding at times. Ok, Perry himself admits that he's not a guitarists guitarist, but to brand him as one of the best at inventing guitar hooks...ah...no... Lynard Skynard I love Skynard. Also seen them in 97. The bass player nearly spit on me! I hate Skynard, always have. Good band though. Too country? Horslips Heard of, I think, but never heard. You like Tull? I had a mind to look them up but I never. Seriously, I love Tull, but have never heard Horslips. Care to tell me a little? I could go on like this forever you know! G xponent More Yes Coming Soon Maru rob Me too. How about: -Nazareth -Steppenwolf -April Wine -Triumph -New York Dolls -Headpins -Heart -Judas Priest -Wings -Hendrix -Joplin -Doors -Iggy + The stooges -Styx -J. Geils Band -Rod Stewart -Boston -Iron Butterfly -Scorpions -Dokken -Cheap Trick -Sly The Family Stone -Ramones -Sex Pistols -Van Halen -Travis off the top of my head Edmunds _ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcommpgmarket=en-caRU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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From: Matthew and Julie Bos [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: This Is Spinal Ta-, er, Metallica Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 21:59:20 -0500 My favorite stuff, the stuff I keep in my iPod, would be from the 80's. Light happy stuff like Metallica, Anthrax, Megadeth, Slayer You like Slayer!? Neat. How heavy are you willing to go, if you don't mind my asking? Do you listen to the likes of Sepultura, Soulfly, Pantera, White Zombie, Coal Chamber, or newer bands like Godsmack, Papa Roach, Korn, Static-X, Andrew W.K., Sevendust, Drowning Pool, Flaw? I have seen Metallica about 18 times. Every tour from Hell on Earth on. Woah!! Fan(ATIC) alert!!lol I will try to see them on this latest tour, I just hope they don't play too much new stuff. Not that its bad musically, it just doesn't seem to be all there. It's missing solo's!! And it infuriates me!! What hard rock/metal is missing is good ole kick 'n the ass guitar. Few bands are carrying the flame. And when Metallica tries to reinvent themselves or something, and omits SOLOS...well it's sickening. But at the same time I like St Anger more than most of their older stuff. So I'm a walking contradiction... My other favorites are the guitar gods of Stevie Ray Vaughn and Joe Satriani. Satriani is one of my fav guitarists. Though he is behind Vai, Malmsteen, Buckethead, and a few other select band guitarists such as Slash, Bratta, Van Halen, Petrucci and perhaps a few others. About that grunge thing in the 90's...most of the bands from the 70's were musically superior. It just seemed that lyrical anger was more important than musical ability. YMMV. Although it was nice because it was the only time my ugly flannels I wore in high school were in fashion. From Vinyl to iPod, Matthew Bos I don't like the word Grunge. It's not really accurate. -Travis left out Black Label Society Edmunds _ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/viruspgmarket=en-caRU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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my asking? Do you listen to the likes of Sepultura, What a great band! I haven't heard/listened to them in a long time. Not sure what era I like more (pre or post Beneath the Remains...). Really liked Max Cavalera as a drummer, but I heard the fired him(?). Oh well... Damon. = Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum. http://www.geocities.com/garrand.geo/index.html Now Building: __ Do you Yahoo!? Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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From: Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: This Is Spinal Ta-, er, Metallica Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 10:29:26 -0800 (PST) my asking? Do you listen to the likes of Sepultura, What a great band! I haven't heard/listened to them in a long time. Not sure what era I like more (pre or post Beneath the Remains...). Really liked Max Cavalera as a drummer, but I heard the fired him(?). Oh well... Damon. To be honest I was never a huge fan of theirs. However I would prefer post BtR. As for Cavalera being fired...I dunno. But they (Sepultura) are split up now, so it probably doesn't really matter. -Travis dust in the wind Edmunds _ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcommpgmarket=en-caRU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Damon Agretto wrote: my asking? Do you listen to the likes of Sepultura, What a great band! I haven't heard/listened to them in a long time. Not sure what era I like more (pre or post Beneath the Remains...). Really liked Max Cavalera as a drummer, but I heard the fired him(?). Oh well... The drummer was Igor Cavalera, his brother; Max was vocals and he left the band because of some quarrels between his wife and the other members. Derek is the vocal now. Alberto Monteiro PS: did you know that there was some racist reaction here in Brazil against Derek? ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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- Original Message - From: Travis Edmunds [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 11:42 AM Subject: Re: This Is Spinal Ta-, er, Metallica From: Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: This Is Spinal Ta-, er, Metallica Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 19:01:20 -0600 - Original Message - From: Travis Edmunds [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 10:36 AM Subject: Re: This Is Spinal Ta-, er, Metallica From: Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: This Is Spinal Ta-, er, Metallica Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 19:14:15 -0600 Highway Star and Communication Breakdown (Led Zep) are probably the two most important songs in the history of Metal. There must BE a Communication Breakdown here!! Do you honestly mean that? AbsofreekinlutelyYou have no idea how influential that one song was at the time. It spawned tonnes of music that were basicly attempts to capture the same energy and sound. It was one of those wierd phenamena where every garage band could sorta play the song, but very few could really capture the feel of the song itself I fail to see the importance of that song. I really do. Yeah.thats a fair assumption for *you* to make really. The song has quite a bit of relavence historically and for those who lived through those times. But it is quite true that its relevance is mostly diminished with time even though echoes of it can still be heard from time to time. If it's relevance has diminished over time, then it can't be that important. As opposed to the likes of Iron Man or Paranoid of course, which have not faded in any way. Those have faded in relavence also. You must not be exposed to people who are really into Zepplin. What about some other Kansas tunes like Glimpse Of Home, Loner, or The Pinnacle? Good songs, but for those of us who lived through those times they were MOS. Actually, this is where your POV is usefull because you can see the groups whole catalogue simultaneously whereas we older folks tend to view the same catalogue temporaly. Have you ever noticed this effect where people like a bands first few albums immensely and their later albums somewhat less so? Thats where we old folks are at a disadvantage at least as far as decades old music is concerned. I have noticed what you mention. I have a question however. Is change a static thing? I don't know that that is the proper way to phrase the question, to be honest. But I know what you mean. I would have to say that change is a constant thing. The only thing that really changes about change is the rate of change. (What a weird sentence!) And over the past century, the rate of change has increased significantly. You can see this in almost every mode of human endevour. Travis? Are familiar with the term The Singularity? It is an important concept and one it would help to be familiar with, just in case such an occurance pops up during our lifetimes. (No snide remarks! We all know it is a possibility) Supertramp Blah. Ever try Crime Of The Century or Crisis What Crisis? Actually no. But blah. Give them a chance someday. There is some really good stuff in there.G Rush Very solid band. Way back when I hated Rush and Zepplin with a purple passion. I was wrong. Rush is not an easy band to get into. But when you do, the music speaks for itself. Aerosmith One of the greatest Rock bandsever. Tyler is an amazing vocalist. Joe Perry is one of the best at inventing guitar hooks. Really oustanding at times. Ok, Perry himself admits that he's not a guitarists guitarist, but to brand him as one of the best at inventing guitar hooks...ah...no... Guitar hooks have very little to do with a players quality. Perry is a good guitarist, but not a great one. What he does have is an exceptional ear for a catchy guitar phrase, hence my comment. Lynard Skynard I love Skynard. Also seen them in 97. The bass player nearly spit on me! I hate Skynard, always have. Good band though. Too country? Too cracker. Horslips Heard of, I think, but never heard. You like Tull? I had a mind to look them up but I never. Seriously, I love Tull, but have never heard Horslips. Care to tell me a little? Absolutely on of my all time favorites. What Tull did with Scottish music, Horslips did with the Irish. The early albums are very energetic Irish folk rock, but the later albums are just great. Almost every album is a concept album. My favorite is Aliens, which is about refugees from the potato famine coming to America. I could go on like this forever you know! G
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On 2/27/04 1:04 PM, Travis Edmunds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You like Slayer!? Neat. How heavy are you willing to go, if you don't mind my asking? Do you listen to the likes of Sepultura, Soulfly, Pantera, White Zombie, Coal Chamber, or newer bands like Godsmack, Papa Roach, Korn, Static-X, Andrew W.K., Sevendust, Drowning Pool, Flaw? I have never had the response of neat whenever I say I listen to Slayer. That's a new one. How heavy do I go? Well for short periods of time I can handle some Napalm Death...but most of the other death metal has no appeal to me. Too fast to be useful, and the lyrics are downright stupid. About the other bands, I have listened to them all...but I can't recall any song by Flaw. My favorites on that list would be Mr. Zombie, Pantera, Static-X, AWK, and Sevendust. Other current faves are Fear Factory, KMFDM, and Type 0 Negative. So I'm a walking contradiction... Music isn't a rational enjoyment...we like what we like. No contradiction there. Although I might have to cut down on the Slayer and the Lords of Acid if I am elected Deacon in my church. Satriani is one of my fav guitarists. Though he is behind Vai, Malmsteen, Buckethead, and a few other select band guitarists such as Slash, Bratta, Van Halen, Petrucci and perhaps a few others. We are going to have to agree to disagree about this...the teacher has yet to be bettered by the pupil. Joe is simply more incredibler* in my opinion. If you have a good home theater spend the 15 bucks or so to get the DVD Live in San Francisco. Get the volume past 30% and make your mind happy. Joe is so technically perfect, I still have a hard time believing he plays that well. My list of guitar masters are Hendrix, Vaughn, Satriani, and Carlos (you may call him Mr. Santana) The world is a better place because of them. New cool guitar orientated rock groups? The Darkness, and Los Lonely Boys. Long hair no more, Matthew Bos * - I voted for Bush, I can do that :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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From: Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: This Is Spinal Ta-, er, Metallica Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 11:47:25 -0800 (PST) Really? I think that brings up an interesting question. Do you think Nirvana rocked? At the time obviously I did, but as my tastes became more discriminating, and I was exposed to a greater variety of music (primarily in my senior year andin college) I found them lacking (what you call melodic and beautiful I call no talent using the only cords they knew!). lol Each to his own. It obvious that you seek a message within music. Now I'm not sure to what extent you seek it, but is that your main focus when it comes to music? Just an honest question. No, but when you you use that sort of methodology I think trying to convey a message should be the objective, not the methodology itself. Its sort of like using violence in movies for the sake of violence. I don't know if I can articulate any better than that... Ok thanks. I understand your position better now. And just to counterpoint you a little, I don't think that Nirvana necessarily catered to teenagers of that time. I think that it just so happened that teenagers for the most part identified with their music. Perhaps, but then I also remember it was an MTV Buzz Clip, which for me symbolized all that is wrong with the Corporate Music Industry. Damon. What!?!?!? Why you..just kidding. -Travis will make a note of Damon not liking Nirvana for future reference Edmunds _ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/featurespgmarket=en-caRU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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From: Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: This Is Spinal Ta-, er, Metallica Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 12:09:13 -0800 (PST) Travis Edmunds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rob S wrote: much snippage What I would like to be able to convey to you is how it felt when people all over the world heard these albums for the first time and ***everyone*** was hearing something never heard before. I don't think..aw hell I know you cannot imagine the excitement these albums generated. It was mind expanding. And you really had to be there to get it. I don't think so. Long before I ever knew Robert Seeberger existed, I used to listen to old school tunes and picture what it would be like to hear them for the first time, way back when they were initially released. And I think I can appreciate what it was like. grin OK, gonna jump in on this concept -- what you're calling appreciate is the equivalent of sympathize; whereas to have experienced something is to empathize. True enough. I'm with you so far. I cannot quite understand my mother's awe and astonishment at a plane going by overhead, as she did when a young girl, all her neighbors young and old out in the streets gawking at the sky -- but if I liken it to my 9-year-old awe at the Moon landing, I come close. Firsts are by their very novelty and nature unrepeatable and extraordinary, and to experience a First with others increases the intensity. IMO, of course. ;) Debbi I like that. I really do. And I guess I will concede that I can no more than sympathize as opposed to empathize in regard to Roberts comments. But of course, still based upon your line of thinking I can still adequately appreciate the music. Yes! I just love extracting SOME pleasure from my self-inflicted wounds!! And You Both Ought To Include Rush In Your Discussion! Maru Without a doubt. But nobody has even attempted a comprehensive list as of yet. With the exception of Robert. -Travis _ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcommpgmarket=en-caRU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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From: Alberto Monteiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: This Is Spinal Ta-, er, Metallica Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 02:52:10 + Damon Agretto wrote: Who is this Yes and why are they sooo important??? Who is Yes sounds like a Marx Brother's joke Alberto Monteiro You know, I've heard that understanding Yes is one of The Keys To Ascension. -Travis _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcommpgmarket=en-caRU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Rob wrote: You forgot Yes, Genesis, Yes, Queen, Yes, Golden Earring, Yes, Supertramp, Yes, 10CC, Yes, David Bowie, Yes, Rush, Yes, Aerosmith, Yes, Kiss, Yes, Steve Miller, Yes, Chicago, Yes, Thin Lizzy, Yes, Edgar Winter, Yes, Jonny Winter, Yes, Bad Company, Yes, Foghat, Yes, Foreigner, Yes, Lynard Skynard, Yes, Peter Frampton, Yes, Humble Pie, Yes, Robin Trower, Yes, Roxy Music, Yes, Kraftwerk, Yes, Bob Seger, Yes, Black Sabbath, Yes, T Rex, Yes, Allman Brothers, Yes, Horslips, Yes, BTO, Yes, ELO, Yes, Tower Of Power, Yes, Al Stewart, Yes, Billy Joel, Yes, Cat Stevens, Yes, Elton John, Yes, Fleetwood Mac, Yes, The Who, Yes, Grateful Dead, Yes, The Band, Yes, Pure Prairie League, Yes, Ozark Mountain Daredevils, Yes, Head East, Yes, The Eagles, Yes, Be Bop Deluxe, Yes, Grand Funk Railroad, Yes, The Kinks, Yes, The Tubes, Yes, Pat Benatar, Yes, Steely Dan, Yes, Kayak, Yes, ZZ Top, Yes, Alan Parsons Project, Yes, Alice Cooper, Yes, Neil Young, Yes, CSNY, Yes, and Frank Zappa. Woa, you forgot a few yourself, methinks: Traffic, James Gang/ Joe Walsh, Creedence Clearwater Revival, Buffalo Springfield, Clapton's bands (Yardbirds, Blind Faith, Cream, Derrik and the Dominos), Hendrix, Doors, Janis, James Taylor, Jackson Browne, Van Morrison, Byrds, Donovan, The Doobie Brothers, Jeff Beck, Moody Blues, Simon and Garfunkle, Steppenwolf, Tommy James and the Shondells mayabe even... Did I mention Yes? Well, OK, there was(is) Yes. 8^) -- Doug homework, must do homework... ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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From: Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: This Is Spinal Ta-, er, Metallica Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 19:12:42 -0600 - Original Message - From: Travis Edmunds [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 11:29 AM Subject: Re: This Is Spinal Ta-, er, Metallica From: Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: This Is Spinal Ta-, er, Metallica Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 16:14:06 -0600 Ok, this is my fault, so lets clear things up. Yes, Punk is simple and catchy (when it's not annoying), Likeuh.Nirvana? Notuh.exactly..uh..uh.likeuh.Niruhvanauh... but in most cases it's rather difficult to play. Lets look at the guitar work. Punk primarily utilizes speed and repetition (real Punk anyway). .---. There you go replacing normal definitions with your own non-standard ones. Really Travis! Yeah, I've never been up to standard. Seriously though, Punk (real Punk) is my definition of what is considered to be pure Punk, as opposed to bands that though they have been influenced by Punk, and pass themselves off as Punk, are no more Punkish than my dogs left nostril. And if you play guitar, then you know that repetitive scales, especially combined with speed, are difficult to play. Now, yes it IS simple music. But the technical aspects of playing it are harder than one may think. It's like AC/DC. I find it very amusing when people scoff at the guitar of Angus Young. Now granted, he's a better performer than a musician, but those songs are HARD to play! And it's all in the monotonous repetition. Angus is pretty well respected. No doubt he is. But he doesn't belong in the company of the guitar gods. And as much respect as he will ever get out of me, is stated above in my previous statement. Which is a good thing. For him. I think... Now Nirvana on the other hand, is so simple to play it's not even funny. In most cases the changes are slow. And you're not really moving that much in the chord progression. So that's what I meant by simple. On to beautiful. Nirvana's music is so melodic, and in some cases pop-smart, that it rises above much of the other music of similar style in acoustic beauty. It's a fact gentleman. It's catchy, quirky, hateful, rebellious, simple, and suprisingly solid. Now, add my two definitions (simple/beautiful) together and you find none other than Nirvana. At least while they were still kicking around anyway. And that's my meaning on the score of No other band at this time (or before this time) channeled so much hate and angst through such a simplistic and beautiful medium. Ok,,,so we have established that you find Nirvana simple yet melodic. Yes I do. And they are/were. You find Nirvana superior at expressing Hate and Angst. No I don't. I'm saying that no band before them channeled so much hate and angst through such a simplistic and beautiful medium. And based on my clarifications of the use of the words simple/catchy, I figured that you would understand what I was getting at. Hate and Angst are dime a dozen staples of the Rock'N'Roll toolkit, as pedestrian as The Love Song. Without a doubt. A deft expression of Angst or Hate is of no more value than a deft expression of Love. How very true. How very false. It comes down to something comparable to sentimental value, really. Or personal taste. But even Nirvana never plumbed the depths as well as Lennon or Zimmerman.Perhaps not even as well as Axel Rose. Well of course not! I don't dispute this. And if you have truly read what I have written, then you know that I haven't argued this either. Besides, nobody can do it much better Axl. I'll wait now for you to eat me up on that one!!lol As far as your interest in music goes, you have to understand that you likely don't have access to much of the music that existed pre-CD. The majority of those old analog recordings exist only on vinyl and you can't find them on Kazaa. My good man. I do not engage in piracy. It's no big deal though. Everyone does it. But I feel that a person or group of persons who create something out of nothing. Something that is beautiful in all it's forms. Coherent noise. Music. Deserves no less than paying customers. And it's my way of contributing, or rather thanking them for their artistry. Besides, I'm a pack rat when it comes to certain collectibles, such as cd's. Speaking as a music lover, I agree with you. Speaking as someone who has been published as a lyricist and has been an executive producer for 1 going on 2 albums, I agree with you. (G That doesn't increase the cred of my opinion a jot G) What's your real name? Is it Saul? You do look an awful lot like
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From: Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: This Is Spinal Ta-, er, Metallica Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 09:27:16 -0800 (PST) How so? In many ways it reminds me of how Nine Inch Nails reinvented him/themselves during the same period. The nihilism became the focus of the music (as you say later) but without actually trying to say something meaningful. I obviously don't have any Nirvana records anymore (I sold them all to buy Danzig stuff) so I can't do a line-by-line analysis, but when I came to the decision to dump them, that's the impression I had. Really? I think that brings up an interesting question. Do you think Nirvana rocked? It really seemed to me (at the time) that they were catering to the less attractive passions of teenagers of the time, without actually having a message. Nothing has really changed that idea... It obvious that you seek a message within music. Now I'm not sure to what extent you seek it, but is that your main focus when it comes to music? Just an honest question. And just to counterpoint you a little, I don't think that Nirvana necessarily catered to teenagers of that time. I think that it just so happened that teenagers for the most part identified with their music. About the Soundgarden bit. Are you saying that they are a band of more substance than Nirvana? Or do you simply like them more? Both. Infact, I think Soundgarden was the best band to come from the Big 4 of the Seattle music scene from the time (the others being Pearl Jam, Nirvana, and Alice in CHains; IIRC Queensryche, being from Seattle, doesn't count because they came earlier...) Damon. Well as far I'm I'm concerned, the most talented band to emerge from that scene was Alice In Chains. Followed closely by Soundgarden of course. -Travis Alice is also my favorite band to emerge from there as well Edmunds _ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcommpgmarket=en-caRU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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From: William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: This Is Spinal Ta-, er, Metallica Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 22:51:47 + Led Zep: both 1 and 2 This is a Metallica parallel for me. Boy, do I ever recognize their importance! But they were never a band that I overly liked. Besides, the Golden God is annoying. Best band ever. William T Goodall The only song that I really like by Zep (aside from everyones favorite Stairway...) is Going To California. -Travis I'll never hear the end of this one Edmunds _ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcommpgmarket=en-caRU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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From: Jim Sharkey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: This Is Spinal Ta-, er, Metallica Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 19:39:01 -0500 (EST) Damon Agretto wrote: I think Soundgarden was the best band tobrcome from the Big 4 of the Seattle music scene from the time (the others being Pearl Jam, Nirvana, and Alice in CHains; IIRC Queensryche, being from Seattle,doesn't count because they came earlier...) I'd agree. Queensryche's my favorite band from Seattle, but their first album came out about ten years before the grunge scene, so they don't get counted as a Seattle band. Jim Take hold of the flame Maru Do you like any Mudhoney, Screaming Trees? -Travis _ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/featurespgmarket=en-caRU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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From: Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: This Is Spinal Ta-, er, Metallica Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 19:29:38 -0600 - Original Message - From: William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 4:51 PM Subject: Re: This Is Spinal Ta-, er, Metallica On 23 Feb 2004, at 5:29 pm, Travis Edmunds wrote: I recommend them for people who like Metal. I honestly havent even heard of them. Amazing! The world is new to the young. G And I suspect the same applies to the old. Of even more importance are: Deep Purple::Machine Head What about Deep Purple In Rock? Another good one. Machine Head is important because of the deep and lasting effect of Highway Star. Highway Star and Communication Breakdown (Led Zep) are probably the two most important songs in the history of Metal. There must BE a Communication Breakdown here!! Do you honestly mean that? Led Zep: both 1 and 2 This is a Metallica parallel for me. Boy, do I ever recognize their importance! But they were never a band that I overly liked. Besides, the Golden God is annoying. Best band ever. Of the 70s at leastG Oh please... -Kansas -Rolling Stones -Even your beloved Deep Purple!! -Jethro Tull -Travis _ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcommpgmarket=en-caRU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Really? I think that brings up an interesting question. Do you think Nirvana rocked? At the time obviously I did, but as my tastes became more discriminating, and I was exposed to a greater variety of music (primarily in my senior year andin college) I found them lacking (what you call melodic and beautiful I call no talent using the only cords they knew!). It obvious that you seek a message within music. Now I'm not sure to what extent you seek it, but is that your main focus when it comes to music? Just an honest question. No, but when you you use that sort of methodology I think trying to convey a message should be the objective, not the methodology itself. Its sort of like using violence in movies for the sake of violence. I don't know if I can articulate any better than that... And just to counterpoint you a little, I don't think that Nirvana necessarily catered to teenagers of that time. I think that it just so happened that teenagers for the most part identified with their music. Perhaps, but then I also remember it was an MTV Buzz Clip, which for me symbolized all that is wrong with the Corporate Music Industry. Damon. = Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum. http://www.geocities.com/garrand.geo/index.html Now Building: __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Travis Edmunds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rob S wrote: much snippage What I would like to be able to convey to you is how it felt when people all over the world heard these albums for the first time and ***everyone*** was hearing something never heard before. I don't think..aw hell I know you cannot imagine the excitement these albums generated. It was mind expanding. And you really had to be there to get it. I don't think so. Long before I ever knew Robert Seeberger existed, I used to listen to old school tunes and picture what it would be like to hear them for the first time, way back when they were initially released. And I think I can appreciate what it was like. grin OK, gonna jump in on this concept -- what you're calling appreciate is the equivalent of sympathize; whereas to have experienced something is to empathize. I cannot quite understand my mother's awe and astonishment at a plane going by overhead, as she did when a young girl, all her neighbors young and old out in the streets gawking at the sky -- but if I liken it to my 9-year-old awe at the Moon landing, I come close. Firsts are by their very novelty and nature unrepeatable and extraordinary, and to experience a First with others increases the intensity. IMO, of course. ;) Debbi And You Both Ought To Include Rush In Your Discussion! Maru Then something left the ocean And crawled high above the foam... We still feel that elation! When the water takes us home... __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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- Original Message - From: Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 11:48 PM Subject: Re: This Is Spinal Ta-, er, Metallica Robert wrote: Or even UFO, The Runaways, Ten Years After, Robin Trower, Hey Rob, I've got BLT (on now), Truce, Bridge of Sighs and Go My Way. I like them all, but I especially like the last two. Can you recomend others? Yeah! For Earth Below is good, its from the same period as Bridge Of Sighs. You might also like Twice Removed From Yesterday and Long Misty Days. Trower did a lot of work in the 80s that I'm not familiar with. Maybe someone else knows. xponent The Stone Just Keeps On Rollin' Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Travis Edmunds wrote: Do you like any Mudhoney, Screaming Trees? I liked what I heard from them, but I never really got that much into them. Jim ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Robert Seeberger wrote: Did I mention Yes? I think you might have, now that you mention it. :) Jim ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Robert Seeberger wrote: You forgot Yes, Genesis, Yes, Queen, Yes, Golden Earring, Yes, Supertramp, Yes, 10CC, Yes, David Bowie, Yes, Rush, Yes, Aerosmith, Yes, Kiss, Yes, Steve Miller, Yes, Chicago, Yes, Thin Lizzy, Yes, Edgar Winter, Yes, Jonny Winter, Yes, Bad Company, Yes, Foghat, Yes, Foreigner, Yes, Lynard Skynard, Yes, Peter Frampton, Yes, Humble Pie, Yes, Robin Trower, Yes, Roxy Music, Yes, Kraftwerk, Yes, Bob Seger, Yes, Black Sabbath, Yes, T Rex, Yes, Allman Brothers, Yes, Horslips, Yes, BTO, Yes, ELO, Yes, Tower Of Power, Yes, Al Stewart, Yes, Billy Joel, Yes, Cat Stevens, Yes, Elton John, Yes, Fleetwood Mac, Yes, The Who, Yes, Grateful Dead, Yes, The Band, Yes, Pure Prairie League, Yes, Ozark Mountain Daredevils, Yes, Head East, Yes, The Eagles, Yes, Be Bop Deluxe, Yes, Grand Funk Railroad, Yes, The Kinks, Yes, The Tubes, Yes, Pat Benatar, Yes, Steely Dan, Yes, Kayak, Yes, ZZ Top, Yes, Alan Parsons Project, Yes, Alice Cooper, Yes, Neil Young, Yes, CSNY, Yes, and Frank Zappa. Did I mention Yes? xponent Yall Knew This Was Coming Maru rob Yes, we did. :) And, darn it, now I want to go blow a grand at Waterloo Records. :P Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Who is this Yes and why are they sooo important??? Damon ;P = Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum. http://www.geocities.com/garrand.geo/index.html Now Building: __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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- Original Message - From: Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 8:36 PM Subject: Re: This Is Spinal Ta-, er, Metallica Who is this Yes and why are they sooo important??? That's a rhetorical question, right? G xponent Perpetual Change Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Damon Agretto wrote: Who is this Yes and why are they sooo important??? Who is Yes sounds like a Marx Brother's joke Alberto Monteiro ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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- Original Message - From: Alberto Monteiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 8:52 PM Subject: Re: This Is Spinal Ta-, er, Metallica Damon Agretto wrote: Who is this Yes and why are they sooo important??? Who is Yes sounds like a Marx Brother's joke Alberto Monteiro I think it goes something like this: Two guys waiting for a concert to start +Who's on first xYes? +No, Who xWho? +Yes xYes is on first? +No, Who xI'm asking you! Who's on first? +Yes xYes is the band that's on first +No, Who xCrap!!! OK Who is the headliner? +Guess WhoWho's on first xGr..I wanna know the headliner!! +Guess Who xWho? +Who's on first xARRGGG Violence ensues xponent SNL Redux Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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From: Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: This Is Spinal Ta-, er, Metallica Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 13:39:56 -0800 (PST) Well I have to weigh in here at some point... Travis, I really hve to disagree with your analysis of Nirvana. When they hit it big I was in the perfect place to become a fan: I was in HS. And indeed I did become a fan, bought the records, wore the t-shirt, talked about what body organs I would sell to see them in concert. But of all the bands I listened to at that time that I still have records of, Nirvana is not on my list. So for me I would disagree its a nostalgia thing, because for me Nirvana WOULD be nostalgia. That's fine. But I think it's more of a decision based on personal taste, rather than an accurate analysis of Nirvana and their place in the annals of music. And I agree with the others: the music was catchy but lacked depth, How so? the lyrics nihilistic but with no real message. I think that nihilism WAS the message in some of their music. Also, in direct contrast with your thinking, I must say that not all of their tunes lacked any real message. In fact, many of Nirvana's songs were shockingly honest glimpses into the life and inner demons of Cobain, that without a doubt called for a change. Dave Grohl was the best member of that band, and although I'm not a big fan of his, I'd much rather listen to the Foo Fighters than Nirvana any day... Damon but I still have my Soundgarden record... I will only consent that Grohl was the best technical musician in the band. He is one helluva drummer! But the distinction of best, which I consider to be the most important member of the band, is reserved for Cobain. About the Soundgarden bit. Are you saying that they are a band of more substance than Nirvana? Or do you simply like them more? -Travis you gotta break your rusty cage Damon Edmunds _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcommpgmarket=en-caRU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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How so? In many ways it reminds me of how Nine Inch Nails reinvented him/themselves during the same period. The nihilism became the focus of the music (as you say later) but without actually trying to say something meaningful. I obviously don't have any Nirvana records anymore (I sold them all to buy Danzig stuff) so I can't do a line-by-line analysis, but when I came to the decision to dump them, that's the impression I had. It really seemed to me (at the time) that they were catering to the less attractive passions of teenagers of the time, without actually having a message. Nothing has really changed that idea... About the Soundgarden bit. Are you saying that they are a band of more substance than Nirvana? Or do you simply like them more? Both. Infact, I think Soundgarden was the best band to come from the Big 4 of the Seattle music scene from the time (the others being Pearl Jam, Nirvana, and Alice in CHains; IIRC Queensryche, being from Seattle, doesn't count because they came earlier...) Damon. = Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum. http://www.geocities.com/garrand.geo/index.html Now Building: __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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From: Jim Sharkey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: This Is Spinal Ta-, er, Metallica Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 19:55:55 -0500 (EST) And I like Megadeth also. If I had supplied you with a top 20, there's a fair chance they'd have made it. I think Dave's psychobabble lyrics can get over the top sometimes (see Sweating Bullets), but I like his band and his playing a lot. Jim Nothing clever to say here Maru Yeah I hear ya! But it's still fun. -Travis hello me, meet the real me Edmunds _ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcommpgmarket=en-caRU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On 23 Feb 2004, at 5:29 pm, Travis Edmunds wrote: From: Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Got any Blue Cheer? No.. Amboy Dukes? A couple of albums. Not as good as Ted Nugent solo. MC5? Kick out the jams, mother**s! I recommend them for people who like Metal. I honestly havent even heard of them. Amazing! Of even more importance are: Deep Purple::Machine Head What about Deep Purple In Rock? Good stuff. Blackmore is awesome. Led Zep: both 1 and 2 This is a Metallica parallel for me. Boy, do I ever recognize their importance! But they were never a band that I overly liked. Besides, the Golden God is annoying. Best band ever. Montrose:::Montrose (very very important album) Nope. I missed that. HawkwindIn Search Of Space I think 'In the Hall of the Mountain Grill' is their best album - but 'Grill' is the most Lemmy influenced Hawkwind album and I like Motorhead. I've seen Motorhead live four or five times and Hawkwind once, and what was surprising was that Hawkwind were EVEN LOUDER than Motorhead :) So that was three days of buzzing and crackling in both ears instead of just two... Nope Uriah Heep:::Demons And Wizards He was the wizard of a thousand kings. And I chanced to meet him one night, wandering. Great band. I love 'em. Not my cup of tea. Blue Oyster Cult:Blue Oyster Cult Decent. Too darn clever. Or even UFO, OK The Runaways, Live in Japan is an awesome album! Ch-ch-ch-ch-cherry bomb! Ten Years After, Robin Trower, Status Quo, heck theres plenty of others. Some are decent. But blah. The modern video-promotion thing (MTV and all the imitators) favours the young and still living performer :) -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ A bad thing done for a good cause is still a bad thing. It's why so few people slap their political opponents. That, and because slapping looks so silly. - Randy Cohen. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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- Original Message - From: Travis Edmunds [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 11:29 AM Subject: Re: This Is Spinal Ta-, er, Metallica From: Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: This Is Spinal Ta-, er, Metallica Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 16:14:06 -0600 However it was NEVER, and I repeat NEVER channeled through such a simplistic and beautiful medium. The key words here are simple and catchy. And I challenge you to prove me wrong. Punk (Here is the entrance for Chad) Just before you got here Travis, Chad was making virtually the same argument for punk that you make for Nirvana. Punk!?!?!? You're making me laugh Robert!! Glad to be of serviceG Ok, this is my fault, so lets clear things up. Yes, Punk is simple and catchy (when it's not annoying), Likeuh.Nirvana? but in most cases it's rather difficult to play. Lets look at the guitar work. Punk primarily utilizes speed and repetition (real Punk anyway). .---. There you go replacing normal definitions with your own non-standard ones. Really Travis! And if you play guitar, then you know that repetitive scales, especially combined with speed, are difficult to play. Now, yes it IS simple music. But the technical aspects of playing it are harder than one may think. It's like AC/DC. I find it very amusing when people scoff at the guitar of Angus Young. Now granted, he's a better performer than a musician, but those songs are HARD to play! And it's all in the monotonous repetition. Angus is pretty well respected. Now Nirvana on the other hand, is so simple to play it's not even funny. In most cases the changes are slow. And you're not really moving that much in the chord progression. So that's what I meant by simple. On to beautiful. Nirvana's music is so melodic, and in some cases pop-smart, that it rises above much of the other music of similar style in acoustic beauty. It's a fact gentleman. It's catchy, quirky, hateful, rebellious, simple, and suprisingly solid. Now, add my two definitions (simple/beautiful) together and you find none other than Nirvana. At least while they were still kicking around anyway. And that's my meaning on the score of No other band at this time (or before this time) channeled so much hate and angst through such a simplistic and beautiful medium. Ok,,,so we have established that you find Nirvana simple yet melodic. And that's iffy for me, but not worth the quibble. You find Nirvana superior at expressing Hate and Angst. Hate and Angst are dime a dozen staples of the Rock'N'Roll toolkit, as pedestrian as The Love Song. A deft expression of Angst or Hate is of no more value than a deft expression of Love. But even Nirvana never plumbed the depths as well as Lennon or Zimmerman.Perhaps not even as well as Axel Rose. As far as your interest in music goes, you have to understand that you likely don't have access to much of the music that existed pre-CD. The majority of those old analog recordings exist only on vinyl and you can't find them on Kazaa. My good man. I do not engage in piracy. It's no big deal though. Everyone does it. But I feel that a person or group of persons who create something out of nothing. Something that is beautiful in all it's forms. Coherent noise. Music. Deserves no less than paying customers. And it's my way of contributing, or rather thanking them for their artistry. Besides, I'm a pack rat when it comes to certain collectibles, such as cd's. Speaking as a music lover, I agree with you. Speaking as someone who has been published as a lyricist and has been an executive producer for 1 going on 2 albums, I agree with you. (G That doesn't increase the cred of my opinion a jot G) Another problem is that there were more bands available in 1970 than frex 1990 because of the stranglehold the recording industry has on music these days. You couldn't even fill the really large record stores of the 70s with what is available today, there just isn't that much variety anymore. Oh it's there Robert. It's just not mainstream. Well, to some degree that's true. There are a lot of offerings at places like CDBaby that are of considerable quality, but you can't drive across town and pick up a copy like you could years ago. I suspect that's gonna change in a few years. But it's also important to fix radio. (Net Radio just doesn't seem to be going anywhere ATM) The only thing that made Nirvana different was that it became popular with them, but they didn't in any way invent it or even popularise it or even do it better than it had been done before. Just to make sure we're on the same page here, what are you referring to exactly with it? Angst and Hate I'm not saying that they were the originators
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- Original Message - From: William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 4:51 PM Subject: Re: This Is Spinal Ta-, er, Metallica On 23 Feb 2004, at 5:29 pm, Travis Edmunds wrote: From: Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Got any Blue Cheer? No.. Amboy Dukes? A couple of albums. Not as good as Ted Nugent solo. True but seminal albums that helped put metal on its course MC5? Kick out the jams, mother**s! Yuppers! I recommend them for people who like Metal. I honestly havent even heard of them. Amazing! The world is new to the young. G Of even more importance are: Deep Purple::Machine Head What about Deep Purple In Rock? Another good one. Machine Head is important because of the deep and lasting effect of Highway Star. Highway Star and Communication Breakdown (Led Zep) are probably the two most important songs in the history of Metal. Good stuff. Blackmore is awesome. Led Zep: both 1 and 2 This is a Metallica parallel for me. Boy, do I ever recognize their importance! But they were never a band that I overly liked. Besides, the Golden God is annoying. Best band ever. Of the 70s at leastG BTW, I want to thank you Brits for giving us so many great bands in the 60s and the 70s. We love them and play their records all the time. Honest Montrose:::Montrose (very very important album) Nope. I missed that. Montrose should never be missed by any Metal fan. It pushed many Americans into the Metal sphere. HawkwindIn Search Of Space I think 'In the Hall of the Mountain Grill' is their best album - but 'Grill' is the most Lemmy influenced Hawkwind album and I like Motorhead. I've seen Motorhead live four or five times and Hawkwind once, and what was surprising was that Hawkwind were EVEN LOUDER than Motorhead :) So that was three days of buzzing and crackling in both ears instead of just two... Nope Uriah Heep:::Demons And Wizards He was the wizard of a thousand kings. And I chanced to meet him one night, wandering. Great band. I love 'em. Not my cup of tea. Blue Oyster Cult:Blue Oyster Cult Decent. Too darn clever. The early albums before the cleverness set in are the ones I most admire. I still listen to Tyranny And Mutation quite a bit. Or even UFO, OK The Runaways, Live in Japan is an awesome album! Ch-ch-ch-ch-cherry bomb! Ten Years After, Robin Trower, Status Quo, heck theres plenty of others. Some are decent. But blah. The modern video-promotion thing (MTV and all the imitators) favours the young and still living performer :) xponent Video Killed The Radio Star Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Robert wrote: Or even UFO, The Runaways, Ten Years After, Robin Trower, Hey Rob, I've got BLT (on now), Truce, Bridge of Sighs and Go My Way. I like them all, but I especially like the last two. Can you recomend others? -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Travis Edmunds wrote: Metallica's music always felt somewhat contrived Seeing as they've influenced a pretty large number of bands, at least a few of which were on your list, I find this statement staggering. Can you get a little more specific. IIRC, Megadeth was also on your list. Dave Mustaine wrote about half the songs on Kill 'Em All. Are those songs exceptions to that idea? Jim ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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From: Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: This Is Spinal Ta-, er, Metallica Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 00:20:55 -0600 - Original Message - From: Travis Edmunds [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 12:34 PM Subject: Re: This Is Spinal Ta-, er, Metallica I beg to differ sir. Innovative is indeed the operative word. From the structure of the music to the ultimate presentation of it. No other band at this time (or before this time) channeled so much hate and angst through such a simplistic and beautiful medium. Bullshit! You've missed out on tons of music over the past decades if you believe this. I think not, my ever challenging patron. In fact, I'm so absorbed in music that your statement has little validity. But in the interests of having some fun (it's always fun when you join in), allow me to clarify what I said. Many bands and artists had presented their hate and angst and whatever else they wanted to express, long before Nirvana was ever conceived. However it was NEVER, and I repeat NEVER channeled through such a simplistic and beautiful medium. The key words here are simple and catchy. And I challenge you to prove me wrong. The only thing that made Nirvana different was that it became popular with them, but they didn't in any way invent it or even popularise it or even do it better than it had been done before. Just to make sure we're on the same page here, what are you referring to exactly with it? Nirvana was just another band who became popular because kids refuse to listen to music that is decades old. Nirvana is classified as just another band who became popular because kids refuse to listen to music that is decades old, because some adults refuse to listen to music that is not decades old. Tit for tat... I'm sure you have listened to skads of classic rock stations, but what you wouldn't get from listening to them is the other 90% of music that was not so popular but still was played on contemporaneous radio. Actually I don't listen to the radio at all. Instead I dig into my rather extensive and ever growing music collection. You might say that I'm beside myself with B-sides. And I fail to understand the comparisons to Neil Young, the Ramones and Ziggy (did you mean Iggy?) Pop. Other than the fact that no band is 100% original, and must be influenced from somewhere along the line by someone, I simply do not see your point. Note however that being influenced does not mean imitating another band or artist. Styles are reworked and made ones own. As is the case with any and all bands, with little or no exceptions. You are making Dan's point for him. I don't think so. But I'd sincerely like to know how you came to that conclusion. Then compare that to the innovation of the Beatles, Jimi, the Dead, Santana, Zepplin, the Who, Zimmy the elder, Yes and the Stones. Granted much of that sounds like chiche now, but it wasn't then. Some of those bands/artists listed are right on the mark so to speak. But it still doesn't downplay Nirvana in the least. At their best, the Beatles showed more innovation from album to album than Nirvana did in its whole career. Dan M. Fair enough. Especially considering the time-frame. But yet again, I must say that it doesn't downplay Nirvana in the least. Who's songs stand a better chance of being remembered or even known 100 years from now? You come from a position I have seen countless times. Some would call it nostalgia. Some would brand it ignorance. I say it is simply a failure to fundamentally come to terms with new music. I have the same problem, not with music, but with the small generational gap between people my age and a few years younger. And it has been my experience that it is a bit of a deterrent with older people and newer music. Just a thought. There's plenty of bands that sell a ton of albums for a few years and then fade into complete obscurity. Nirvana is likely to be one of those because their music will not have lasting relevance in that they are a product of a scene and a time. 1990 Seattle ~ xponent Mersey Beat Maru rob Haha I challenge you to name a band or artist that isn't a product in some way, of a scene or for that matter, of a time. -Travis oh Robert... Edmunds _ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcommpgmarket=en-caRU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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From: Jim Sharkey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: This Is Spinal Ta-, er, Metallica Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 10:05:31 -0500 (EST) Travis Edmunds wrote: Metallica's music always felt somewhat contrived Seeing as they've influenced a pretty large number of bands, at least a few of which were on your list, I find this statement staggering. Can you get a little more specific. Sure. I recognize Metallica's significance, but I'm not a very big Metallica fan. Never was, and never will be. Mainly for the reason that I never felt in their music, what I felt or feel in other music of the genre. IIRC, Megadeth was also on your list. Dave Mustaine wrote about half the songs on Kill 'Em All. Are those songs exceptions to that idea? Jim Seeing as how we don't know each other, I'll let slide the history lesson. No biggie!!lol It's just that we have no idea of each others' musical...competence if you will. That being said, I should like to point out that Megadeth is without a doubt on my top 20 list. And trust me, that's an exclusive club. It's funny you know. I'm always getting dumped on by Metal fans. Some friend of mine will introduce me (his buddy) to one of his buddies, and he'll find out about my musical interests (if he already doesn't know), and proceed to ask the same generic question: Do you like Metallica? To which I respond yes, but. And then of course I'm regarded as some fool until such time as I say something to the effect of I love Megadeth, which brings about such harsher thoughts in others as Poor uneducated, sorry excuse for a professed music lover. Oh well... The thing is Jim, I FEEL Megadeth. I don't feel Metallica. Hence Metallica's music always felt somewhat contrived. Note however that I don't dispute their talent, or their significance, as I have already stated. -Travis although Hammet is SOOO overrated Edmunds _ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/viruspgmarket=en-caRU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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- Original Message - From: Travis Edmunds [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2004 1:07 PM Subject: Re: This Is Spinal Ta-, er, Metallica Many bands and artists had presented their hate and angst and whatever else they wanted to express, long before Nirvana was ever conceived. However it was NEVER, and I repeat NEVER channeled through such a simplistic and beautiful medium. The key words here are simple and catchy. And I challenge you to prove me wrong. A counterexample is the handsome Nazi youth singing Tomorrow Belongs to Me in the movie Caberet. Dan M. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Well I have to weigh in here at some point... Travis, I really hve to disagree with your analysis of Nirvana. When they hit it big I was in the perfect place to become a fan: I was in HS. And indeed I did become a fan, bought the records, wore the t-shirt, talked about what body organs I would sell to see them in concert. But of all the bands I listened to at that time that I still have records of, Nirvana is not on my list. So for me I would disagree its a nostalgia thing, because for me Nirvana WOULD be nostalgia. And I agree with the others: the music was catchy but lacked depth, the lyrics nihilistic but with no real message. Dave Grohl was the best member of that band, and although I'm not a big fan of his, I'd much rather listen to the Foo Fighters than Nirvana any day... Damon but I still have my Soundgarden record... = Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum. http://www.geocities.com/garrand.geo/index.html Now Building: __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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- Original Message - From: Travis Edmunds [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2004 1:07 PM Subject: Re: This Is Spinal Ta-, er, Metallica From: Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: This Is Spinal Ta-, er, Metallica Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 00:20:55 -0600 - Original Message - From: Travis Edmunds [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 12:34 PM Subject: Re: This Is Spinal Ta-, er, Metallica I beg to differ sir. Innovative is indeed the operative word. From the structure of the music to the ultimate presentation of it. No other band at this time (or before this time) channeled so much hate and angst through such a simplistic and beautiful medium. Bullshit! You've missed out on tons of music over the past decades if you believe this. I think not, my ever challenging patron. In fact, I'm so absorbed in music that your statement has little validity. But in the interests of having some fun (it's always fun when you join in), allow me to clarify what I said. Many bands and artists had presented their hate and angst and whatever else they wanted to express, long before Nirvana was ever conceived. However it was NEVER, and I repeat NEVER channeled through such a simplistic and beautiful medium. The key words here are simple and catchy. And I challenge you to prove me wrong. Punk (Here is the entrance for Chad) Just before you got here Travis, Chad was making virtually the same argument for punk that you make for Nirvana. As far as your interest in music goes, you have to understand that you likely don't have access to much of the music that existed pre-CD. The majority of those old analog recordings exist only on vinyl and you can't find them on Kazaa. I know, I've tried. Another problem is that there were more bands available in 1970 than frex 1990 because of the stranglehold the recording industry has on music these days. You couldn't even fill the really large record stores of the 70s with what is available today, there just isn't that much variety anymore. The only thing that made Nirvana different was that it became popular with them, but they didn't in any way invent it or even popularise it or even do it better than it had been done before. Just to make sure we're on the same page here, what are you referring to exactly with it? Angst and Hate Nirvana was just another band who became popular because kids refuse to listen to music that is decades old. Nirvana is classified as just another band who became popular because kids refuse to listen to music that is decades old, because some adults refuse to listen to music that is not decades old. Tit for tat... Tell me what I listen to. It would be fun to see what your guesses are.G I'm sure you have listened to skads of classic rock stations, but what you wouldn't get from listening to them is the other 90% of music that was not so popular but still was played on contemporaneous radio. Actually I don't listen to the radio at all. Instead I dig into my rather extensive and ever growing music collection. You might say that I'm beside myself with B-sides. Got any Blue Cheer? Amboy Dukes? MC5? I recommend them for people who like Metal. Of even more importance are: Deep Purple::Machine Head Led Zep: both 1 and 2 Montrose:::Montrose (very very important album) HawkwindIn Search Of Space Uriah Heep:::Demons And Wizards Blue Oyster Cult:Blue Oyster Cult Or even UFO, The Runaways, Ten Years After, Robin Trower, Status Quo, heck theres plenty of others. And I fail to understand the comparisons to Neil Young, the Ramones and Ziggy (did you mean Iggy?) Pop. Other than the fact that no band is 100% original, and must be influenced from somewhere along the line by someone, I simply do not see your point. Note however that being influenced does not mean imitating another band or artist. Styles are reworked and made ones own. As is the case with any and all bands, with little or no exceptions. You are making Dan's point for him. I don't think so. But I'd sincerely like to know how you came to that conclusion. You are just restating what Dan said, and acting as if it somehow refutes his statements. Fair enough. Especially considering the time-frame. But yet again, I must say that it doesn't downplay Nirvana in the least. Who's songs stand a better chance of being remembered or even known 100 years from now? You come from a position I have seen countless times. Some would call it nostalgia. Some would brand it ignorance. I say it is simply a failure to fundamentally come to terms with new music. I have the same problem, not with music, but with the small generational gap between people my age and a few years younger
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Travis Edmunds wrote: From: Jim Sharkey IIRC, Megadeth was also on your list. Dave Mustaine wrote about half the songs on Kill 'Em All. Are those songs exceptions to that idea? Seeing as how we don't know each other, I'll let slide the history lesson. No biggie!!lol Wasn't intended to be a history lesson, Travis; I figured you knew that already! It was a serious question based on what I thought you meant by contrived... The thing is Jim, I FEEL Megadeth. I don't feel Metallica. Hence Metallica's music always felt somewhat contrived. ...which now I have a better idea of. And I like Megadeth also. If I had supplied you with a top 20, there's a fair chance they'd have made it. I think Dave's psychobabble lyrics can get over the top sometimes (see Sweating Bullets), but I like his band and his playing a lot. Note however that I don't dispute their talent, or their significance, as I have already stated. Gotcha. Jim Nothing clever to say here Maru ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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- Original Message - From: Travis Edmunds [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 12:34 PM Subject: Re: This Is Spinal Ta-, er, Metallica From: Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: This Is Spinal Ta-, er, Metallica Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 12:21:29 -0600 - Original Message - From: Travis Edmunds [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 11:15 AM Subject: RE: This Is Spinal Ta-, er, Metallica I think what made Nirvana so great can be summed up in one word - INNOVATIVE. Cobain could do a lot with only a few chords, and that particular style of music was taken to the mainstream with Nirvana. Add that to their anti-rockstar image and you have popularity. I really can't see Nirvana as being all that innovative. Granted, the competition for innovation at that time was close to zero. But, the general type of music they played had been out for roughly 15 years. Think about Tonight's the Night by Neil Young and Crazy Horse, or Ziggy Pop or the Ramones from the mid-70s. I beg to differ sir. Innovative is indeed the operative word. From the structure of the music to the ultimate presentation of it. No other band at this time (or before this time) channeled so much hate and angst through such a simplistic and beautiful medium. Bullshit! You've missed out on tons of music over the past decades if you believe this. The only thing that made Nirvana different was that it became popular with them, but they didn't in any way invent it or even popularise it or even do it better than it had been done before. Nirvana was just another band who became popular because kids refuse to listen to music that is decades old. I'm sure you have listened to skads of classic rock stations, but what you wouldn't get from listening to them is the other 90% of music that was not so popular but still was played on contemporaneous radio. And I fail to understand the comparisons to Neil Young, the Ramones and Ziggy (did you mean Iggy?) Pop. Other than the fact that no band is 100% original, and must be influenced from somewhere along the line by someone, I simply do not see your point. Note however that being influenced does not mean imitating another band or artist. Styles are reworked and made ones own. As is the case with any and all bands, with little or no exceptions. You are making Dan's point for him. Then compare that to the innovation of the Beatles, Jimi, the Dead, Santana, Zepplin, the Who, Zimmy the elder, Yes and the Stones. Granted much of that sounds like chiche now, but it wasn't then. Some of those bands/artists listed are right on the mark so to speak. But it still doesn't downplay Nirvana in the least. At their best, the Beatles showed more innovation from album to album than Nirvana did in its whole career. Dan M. Fair enough. Especially considering the time-frame. But yet again, I must say that it doesn't downplay Nirvana in the least. Who's songs stand a better chance of being remembered or even known 100 years from now? There's plenty of bands that sell a ton of albums for a few years and then fade into complete obscurity. Nirvana is likely to be one of those because their music will not have lasting relevance in that they are a product of a scene and a time. 1990 Seattle ~ xponent Mersey Beat Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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From: Jim Sharkey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: This Is Spinal Ta-, er, Metallica Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 13:19:13 -0500 (EST) Travis Edmunds wrote: What was Maiden like? Great. The only thing that I didn't like was they didn't play The Trooper otherwise it was a lot of fun. Compounded by the presence of spandex-clad, big-haired New Jersey girls, of course. :) Well you just can't have a concert without spandex-clad, big-haired New Jersey girls... For the record though, I would have been happy with a little Hallowed Be Thy Name. One of my favorite Foxtrot strips ever had a Vivaldi joke. :)Really? care to tell it? It's a pretty simple one. The oldest brother is sitting on the couch,and across four frames it goes from warm to windy with leaves flying to snowing back to warm. The last panel's payoff has him yelling to off-panel right, Mom, you wanna knock it off with the Vivaldi?? Jim lol Not tea bag (not too bad) as my father would say. -Travis I'm waiting in my cold cell, when the bell begins to chime Edmunds _ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/featurespgmarket=en-caRU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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- Original Message - From: Travis Edmunds [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 11:15 AM Subject: RE: This Is Spinal Ta-, er, Metallica I think what made Nirvana so great can be summed up in one word - INNOVATIVE. Cobain could do a lot with only a few chords, and that particular style of music was taken to the mainstream with Nirvana. Add that to their anti-rockstar image and you have popularity. I really can't see Nirvana as being all that innovative. Granted, the competition for innovation at that time was close to zero. But, the general type of music they played had been out for roughly 15 years. Think about Tonight's the Night by Neil Young and Crazy Horse, or Ziggy Pop or the Ramones from the mid-70s. Then compare that to the innovation of the Beatles, Jimi, the Dead, Santana, Zepplin, the Who, Zimmy the elder, Yes and the Stones. Granted much of that sounds like chiche now, but it wasn't then. At their best, the Beatles showed more innovation from album to album than Nirvana did in its whole career. Dan M. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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From: Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: This Is Spinal Ta-, er, Metallica Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 12:21:29 -0600 - Original Message - From: Travis Edmunds [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 11:15 AM Subject: RE: This Is Spinal Ta-, er, Metallica I think what made Nirvana so great can be summed up in one word - INNOVATIVE. Cobain could do a lot with only a few chords, and that particular style of music was taken to the mainstream with Nirvana. Add that to their anti-rockstar image and you have popularity. I really can't see Nirvana as being all that innovative. Granted, the competition for innovation at that time was close to zero. But, the general type of music they played had been out for roughly 15 years. Think about Tonight's the Night by Neil Young and Crazy Horse, or Ziggy Pop or the Ramones from the mid-70s. I beg to differ sir. Innovative is indeed the operative word. From the structure of the music to the ultimate presentation of it. No other band at this time (or before this time) channeled so much hate and angst through such a simplistic and beautiful medium. And I fail to understand the comparisons to Neil Young, the Ramones and Ziggy (did you mean Iggy?) Pop. Other than the fact that no band is 100% original, and must be influenced from somewhere along the line by someone, I simply do not see your point. Note however that being influenced does not mean imitating another band or artist. Styles are reworked and made ones own. As is the case with any and all bands, with little or no exceptions. Then compare that to the innovation of the Beatles, Jimi, the Dead, Santana, Zepplin, the Who, Zimmy the elder, Yes and the Stones. Granted much of that sounds like chiche now, but it wasn't then. Some of those bands/artists listed are right on the mark so to speak. But it still doesn't downplay Nirvana in the least. At their best, the Beatles showed more innovation from album to album than Nirvana did in its whole career. Dan M. Fair enough. Especially considering the time-frame. But yet again, I must say that it doesn't downplay Nirvana in the least. -Travis _ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/featurespgmarket=en-caRU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On 20 Feb 2004, at 6:04 pm, Travis Edmunds wrote: From: William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] It appeals to me no more than turnip does. And I hate, hate, hate turnip!!! Of course I understand that other people like turnip, so dig in. I never met a vegetable I didn't like with the possible exception of lotus roots. But I didn't have a recipe for doing anything with them so I just fried them and that wasn't very good :( Frog's legs, octopus tentacles, sheep's lungs (haggis), pig's livers (pate) and dried blood (blood sausage) are all pretty tasty too! I didn't get on too well with rabbit, but that was probably another case of not cooking it right as my Traveller (Gypsy) friend claimed that rabbit is delicious. I never got to try kangaroo or crocodile during the fad when our supermarkets stocked those meats because Mrs Wife is a vegetarian and only reluctantly allows me to eat domesticated animals :) I have had farmed venison and thought it was a bit too lean... http://www.aufdermaur.com/ Ex Hole and (briefly) Smashing Pumpkins bass player. Really? I had no idea. None at all. And I'm a Pumpkins fan. She joined the band in December of 1999 after D'Arcy left. She played on the Resume the Pose tour of early 2000, and toured in support of Machina: the Machines of God. James Iha plays on her album. -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Beware of bugs in the above code; I have only proved it correct, not tried it. -- Donald E. Knuth ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Travis Edmunds wrote: What was Maiden like? Great. The only thing that I didn't like was they didn't play The Trooper otherwise it was a lot of fun. Compounded by the presence of spandex-clad, big-haired New Jersey girls, of course. :) One of my favorite Foxtrot strips ever had a Vivaldi joke. :)Really? care to tell it? It's a pretty simple one. The oldest brother is sitting on the couch,and across four frames it goes from warm to windy with leaves flying to snowing back to warm. The last panel's payoff has him yelling to off-panel right, Mom, you wanna knock it off with the Vivaldi?? Jim ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Now I really like No Doubt :) The last two CDs I bought were Pink's previous CD and Avril Lavigne. I saw Melissa auf der Maur's video for her new CD on MTV recently and that seemed quite good... And I also like Christina Aguilera and KiTTiE. My last two cd purchases were David Bowie's Reality album ( I have tickets to his 'gig'), and Southern Culture on the Skids - Mojo box (saw them 2 weeks ago). My last artist I stole music from online was the Subhumans (it mostly sucked for vintage 80's punk - waste of a good CD-R) In regards to Metallica... They really suck. They used to be the best at what they did. They really just come across as, well.. A lot like the guys from Spinal Tap! Nerd From Hell ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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The same goes for me I suppose. Only thing is though, is that I'm a bit of a purist when it comes to music. But of course I appreciate any and all musical genres, and respect and recognize their importance in the grand scheme of coherent noise. I just have my tastes, as does everyone else I suppose. Then you would love The Great Kat http://www.greatkat.com/ , who has created a new genre - Shred/Classical. You have not heard a violin played like this, I am sure! Nerd From Hell -Travis once again, it's all about the Guns and the Roses Edmunds _ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/viruspgmarket=en-caRU=htt p%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgma rket%3den-ca ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On 18 Feb 2004, at 5:24 pm, Travis Edmunds wrote: From: William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] snip The ones left are in my record collection too, either the vinyl part I don't have the equipment to play any more or the newer CD part...the vinyl part also included Joe Satriani, Al DiMeola, Trevor Rabin and suchlike. Ah!! Another rocker in our midst. Now I really like No Doubt :) I would honestly like to know why you like them. I don't like all their stuff (that's what playlists are for!) but they have enough tracks I do like... I liked the ska and reggae sounds on their earlier stuff, and the pop-rock on their newer stuff. What's not to like about _Just a Girl_ or _Hella Good_ ? :) The last two CDs I bought were Pink's previous CD and Avril Lavigne. I saw Melissa auf der Maur's video for her new CD on MTV recently and that seemed quite good... And I also like Christina Aguilera and KiTTiE. Not my style, but I appreciate any and all genres. My opinions though, are as follows: Pink - Not bad. Avril Lavigne - Not bad. Melissa auf der Maur - Huh? http://www.aufdermaur.com/ Ex Hole and (briefly) Smashing Pumpkins bass player. Christina Aguilera - I just love her videos... KiTTiE - I always get confused with Atomic Kitten. Is Kittie the heavy stuff? If so, I don't like them. Atomic Kitten are scary! KiTTiE is more the innocuous Slipknot kind of stuff... -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Our products just aren't engineered for security. - Brian Valentine, senior vice president in charge of Microsoft's Windows development team. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On 18 Feb 2004, at 6:52 pm, Chad Cooper wrote: Now I really like No Doubt :) The last two CDs I bought were Pink's previous CD and Avril Lavigne. I saw Melissa auf der Maur's video for her new CD on MTV recently and that seemed quite good... And I also like Christina Aguilera and KiTTiE. My last two cd purchases were David Bowie's Reality album ( I have tickets to his 'gig'), Mrs Wife and her Mum went to see Bowie when he played the AECC. That's where they saw Barry Manilow too :) I didn't want to go to those shows, but I did go to see AC/DC when they played the AECC :) In regards to Metallica... They really suck. They used to be the best at what they did. They really just come across as, well.. A lot like the guys from Spinal Tap! Their present dreadfulness is indescribable. They are so not good anymore. -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ One of the main causes of the fall of the Roman Empire was that, lacking zero, they had no way to indicate successful termination of their C programs. -- Robert Firth ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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From: Jim Sharkey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: This Is Spinal Ta-, er, Metallica Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 12:21:41 -0500 (EST) Travis Edmunds wrote: Ever hear any Niccolo Paganini? Heard of, yes. Heard, I don't think so, though if memory serves, Malmsteen used to fancy himself Paganini's musical descendant. Yup, that's pretty much the gist of it. Yngwie patterns his playing after the violin, and good ole Niccolo is his favorite player. I saw him open for Maiden at the Philadelphia Spectrum back in...late '86 or early '87. Pretty good stuff, though his ego was *enormous*. I can imagine, seeing as how one can all but see him strutting around whilst listening to one of his albums. What was Maiden like? how about Vivaldi One of my favorite Foxtrot strips ever had a Vivaldi joke. :) Jim Really? -Travis care to tell it? Edmunds _ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcommpgmarket=en-caRU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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From: Jim Sharkey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: This Is Spinal Ta-, er, Metallica Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 14:29:05 -0500 (EST) Travis Edmunds wrote: Metallica fan eh? Care to divulge any other bands you like? Sure. I'd say my all-time favorite bands are Rush, TOOL, Metallica, Yes, Iron Maiden, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Pearl Jam and Queensryche. Decent choices. Though only one band on your list would make even a top 20 for me, and that's Maiden. I'm picky. Just to name a few that I'm into though, how about: -Megadeth -Judas Priest -Yngwie Malmsteen -Black Sabbath -Nirvana -Alice In Chains -Steve Vai -Soundgarden -Buckethead -Static X -Korn -Dream Theater -Manowar -Guns N Roses -Silverchair -Kansas -David Bowie -Iced Earth -Godsmack -Papa Roach -Enigma -White Lion -Slash's Snakepit -Jethro Tull -Queens Of The Stone Age -MOZART -Johan Strauss -Sven Gali -Screaming Trees -Black Rebel Motorcycle Club -Black Label Society That's by no means a comprehensive list. I'm a freak when it comes to tunes. I dig some of the current bands like Disturbed, Outkast, and No Doubt; Disturbed aren't bad. Outkast has some decent melody on the go from time to time, but it's not my style of music in the least. And there is no doubt that I cannot stand No Doubt. I loathe their music. I like the occasional dance tune, and I'm always up for some good classical music. Dance...blah... Classical, now there's something worth talking about. What composers do you like? I find something appealing in most musical genres, but I can find a lot that sucks in the same. Bad hip-hop, bad metal, and bad country are the banes of my auditory existence. Jim The same goes for me I suppose. Only thing is though, is that I'm a bit of a purist when it comes to music. But of course I appreciate any and all musical genres, and respect and recognize their importance in the grand scheme of coherent noise. I just have my tastes, as does everyone else I suppose. -Travis once again, it's all about the Guns and the Roses Edmunds _ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/viruspgmarket=en-caRU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Travis Edmunds wrote: Just to name a few that I'm into though, how about: Snip I dug a lot of the bands on your list, though I feel Nirvana is overrated, a couple of your bands I'd never heard of, and I can't get into Silverchair, White Lion or Papa Roach. I liked that Manowar made your list; I remember listening to them back in high school, and it's amazing to me that a relatively unknown metal band from the 80's still has fans. Classical, now there's something worth talking about. What composers do you like? Stravinsky is probably my favorite, and so are his late Romantic contemporaries, followed by many of the commonly known composers like Mozart, Beethoven, et. al. I like opera in small doses; it's not something I listen to too often. It's good, but sometimes a little overwrought. :) Outside of Stravinsky and Beethoven, I don't really listen to a sufficient breadth of classical music to specify other composers as favorites; I'm more into individual pieces, really. Jim A little culture mixed in with the metal is good for you Maru ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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From: Jim Sharkey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: This Is Spinal Ta-, er, Metallica Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 11:33:37 -0500 (EST) Travis Edmunds wrote: Just to name a few that I'm into though, how about: Snip I dug a lot of the bands on your list, though I feel Nirvana is overrated, And so they are, in some respects. However they were influential. One cannot deny that they breathed fresh air on a somewhat stagnant musical world. Specifically rock music, in it's own broad spectrum. Great musicians? I think not. Although Dave Grohl is one of the better drummers that I have ever heard, thus making him pretty decent. I think what made Nirvana so great can be summed up in one word - INNOVATIVE. Cobain could do a lot with only a few chords, and that particular style of music was taken to the mainstream with Nirvana. Add that to their anti-rockstar image and you have popularity. In any case, I like Nirvana's music. In fact, I like it a lot. It's hate made beautiful. I can't get into Silverchair, White Lion or Papa Roach. I can understand Silverchair. And to an extent, Papa Roach. But one must understand that the Roach took an entirely different approach to their sophomore album. Casting away the whole rap-metal bit in favor of a punk approach that hearkens back to their roots. I also like the fact that their first album, though rap-metal, is a complete homage to Iron Maiden. They're a solid band. As for White Lion, I'm suprised you don't like them. Their lead guitarist is amazing. And he has clear influences from the likes of Satriani, which makes for an interesting listen. For the record, I don't consider them hair metal. I liked that Manowar made your list; I remember listening to them back in high school, and it's amazing to me that a relatively unknown metal band from the 80's still has fans. Yeah, they're a great band, doing their own thing. And one of those bands that garners so much respect from people completely immersed in music. They, like Nirvana can be summed up in one word - INTEGRITY. Classical, now there's something worth talking about. What composers do you like? Stravinsky is probably my favorite, and so are his late Romantic contemporaries, followed by many of the commonly known composers like Mozart, Beethoven, et. al. I like opera in small doses; it's not something I listen to too often. It's good, but sometimes a little overwrought. :) Outside of Stravinsky and Beethoven, I don't really listen to a sufficient breadth of classical music to specify other composers as favorites; I'm more into individual pieces, really. Jim A little culture mixed in with the metal is good for you Maru Ever hear any Niccolo Paganini? -Travis how about Vivaldi Edmunds _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcommpgmarket=en-caRU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On 16 Feb 2004, at 3:22 pm, Travis Edmunds wrote: From: Jim Sharkey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: This Is Spinal Ta-, er, Metallica Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 14:29:05 -0500 (EST) Travis Edmunds wrote: Metallica fan eh? Care to divulge any other bands you like? Sure. I'd say my all-time favorite bands are Rush, TOOL, Metallica, Yes, Iron Maiden, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Pearl Jam and Queensryche. Decent choices. Though only one band on your list would make even a top 20 for me, and that's Maiden. I'm picky. Just to name a few that I'm into though, how about: -Megadeth -Yngwie Malmsteen -Steve Vai -Korn -Guns N Roses snip The ones left are in my record collection too, either the vinyl part I don't have the equipment to play any more or the newer CD part...the vinyl part also included Joe Satriani, Al DiMeola, Trevor Rabin and suchlike. I was reminded of Trevor Rabin because I saw _The One_ on satellite the other day, and it had all that Rabin-riffing for a soundtrack :) That's by no means a comprehensive list. I'm a freak when it comes to tunes. I dig some of the current bands like Disturbed, Outkast, and No Doubt; Disturbed aren't bad. Outkast has some decent melody on the go from time to time, but it's not my style of music in the least. And there is no doubt that I cannot stand No Doubt. I loathe their music. Now I really like No Doubt :) The last two CDs I bought were Pink's previous CD and Avril Lavigne. I saw Melissa auf der Maur's video for her new CD on MTV recently and that seemed quite good... And I also like Christina Aguilera and KiTTiE. -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Computers in the future may weigh no more than 1.5 tons. - Popular Mechanics, forecasting the relentless march of science, 1949 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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I know we have some music fans here, and I thought this might interest you: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,7948-1000282,00.html An excerpt: A documentary about a heavy metal band, even one that has sold 90 million albums since 1991, is hardly steak and chips for the art-house predators who roam the market ...the opening blizzard of scenes in which the band are interrogated by brain-dead hacks is a masterclass in rock journalism. 'Youve been together for 22 years, eight world tours, and 11 albums. Give me one word to sum it all up,' demands an interviewer. 'One word to span our career?' asks the frontman James Hetfield. 'What a f***ing stupid question.' There is a delicious sense that things will only get worse. Berlinger and Sinofsky were contracted to shoot the making of Metallicas new album, St Anger. What they capture is a band in fabulous crisis. There is nothing quite so exciting as watching a documentary turn into Spinal Tap before your eyes. Jim Saw them four times in concert Maru ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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From: Jim Sharkey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: This Is Spinal Ta-, er, Metallica Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 10:14:16 -0500 (EST) A documentary about a heavy metal band, even one that has sold 90 million albums since 1991, is hardly steak and chips for the art-house predators who roam the market ...the opening blizzard of scenes in which the band are interrogated by brain-dead hacks is a masterclass in rock journalism. 'Youve been together for 22 years, eight world tours, and 11 albums. Give me one word to sum it all up,' demands an interviewer. 'One word to span our career?' asks the frontman James Hetfield. 'What a f***ing stupid question.' There is a delicious sense that things will only get worse. Berlinger and Sinofsky were contracted to shoot the making of Metallicas new album, St Anger. What they capture is a band in fabulous crisis. There is nothing quite so exciting as watching a documentary turn into Spinal Tap before your eyes. Jim Saw them four times in concert Maru Metallica fan eh? Care to divulge any other bands you like? -Travis it's all about the Guns and the Roses Edmunds _ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/viruspgmarket=en-caRU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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-Travis it's all about the Guns and the Roses Edmunds Eeee!!! Damon. = Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum. http://www.geocities.com/garrand.geo/index.html Now Building: __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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From: Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: This Is Spinal Ta-, er, Metallica Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 10:55:30 -0800 (PST) -Travis it's all about the Guns and the Roses Edmunds Eeee!!! Damon. They're the center of my musical world. But I love coherent sound in the broad spectrum of things. -Travis Mozart to Slayer Edmunds _ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/viruspgmarket=en-caRU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Travis Edmunds wrote: Metallica fan eh? Care to divulge any other bands you like? Sure. I'd say my all-time favorite bands are Rush, TOOL, Metallica, Yes, Iron Maiden, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Pearl Jam and Queensryche. I dig some of the current bands like Disturbed, Outkast, and No Doubt; I like the occasional dance tune, and I'm always up for some good classical music. I find something appealing in most musical genres, but I can find a lot that sucks in the same. Bad hip-hop, bad metal, and bad country are the banes of my auditory existence. Jim ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
