Re: Regex Question

2011-04-28 Thread Charlie Griefer

Could be as simple as \w{3} 

Would that do it (searching for 3 consecutive word characters)?

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On Thursday, April 28, 2011 at 10:10 AM, Rick Colman wrote: 
 
 input looks like:
 
 (A XXX)(B YYY)(C ZZZ) 
 
 I need to pull out:
 
 XXXYYYZZZ ...
 
 Can somebody help?
 
 TNX.
 
 Rick.
 
 

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Re: who's in charge around here?

2011-03-22 Thread Charlie Griefer

On Tuesday, March 22, 2011 at 9:49 AM, Dave Watts wrote:
 
  The person in charge is Michael Dinowitz. He's kick ass, but busy with about
  300 children and tons of extra circular activities.
 
 I'm not sure what an extra circular activity is, but I guess it has
 something to do with having 300 kids!
Hey, when one of you slackers does get around to re-doing the web interface, 
can you add a Like button? Because it's a crime that I can't like this 
reply :) 

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Re: Storing decimal parts of a second cfqueryparam

2011-02-28 Thread Charlie Griefer

I think your code is fine, but take a look at the precision value for the 
column in SQL Server. Ensure that it's set to 2.

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On Saturday, February 26, 2011 at 8:08 PM, Pete Ruckelshaus wrote: 
 
 OK, just not my night with decimal values.
 
 Trying to store distances (for throwing and jumping events), which are
 measured in feet and inches. In order to maintain proper sort order, I
 decided to convert feet and inches (with fractions of an inch as decimal
 value) to inches with fractions of an inch as decimal values.
 
 Again, database is SQL Server 2008, and I'm using cfqueryparam. Data type
 for the column in question is decimal(18, 4), and I'm using CF_SQL_DECIMAL
 as the cfsqltype value. I can see in the debug output that the decimal
 portion of the value is part of the value to be inserted, for instance,
 825.25, but looking at the database table, the stored value is 825.
  Here's the debug output for that query:
 
 *insertResult* (Datasource=track, Time=2ms, Records=1) in
 C:\inetpub\wwwroot\track\enter_results.cfm @ 21:59:59.059
 
  INSERT INTO tblEventResults(eventid, athleteid, time, distance,
 competition)
  VALUES (?,
  ?,
  ?,
  ?,
  ?)
 
 
 Query Parameter Value(s) -
 Parameter #1(CF_SQL_INTEGER) = 1
 Parameter #2(CF_SQL_INTEGER) = 1
 Parameter #3(CF_SQL_TIMESTAMP) =
 Parameter #4(CF_SQL_DECIMAL) = 825.25
 Parameter #5(CF_SQL_BIT) = NO
 
 Should I be using a different precision value for the decimal datatype? Or
 am I just doing something idiotic?
 
 Thanks,
 
 Pete
 
 On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 4:59 PM, Pete Ruckelshaus 
 pruckelsh...@gmail.comwrote:
 
  Hey, that did it! Thanks!
  
  Pete
  
  
  On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 4:43 PM, Charlie Griefer 
  charlie.grie...@gmail.com wrote:
  
   
   Hi Pete:
   
   Have you tried cf_sql_timestamp as the cfsqltype (as opposed to
   cf_sql_time)?
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   On Saturday, February 26, 2011 at 2:33 PM, Pete Ruckelshaus wrote:

I'm building an app for keeping track of high school track meet results
using CF9 and MS SQL Server 2008. I am using the time(7) data type in
   the
database, and when doing the insert query, I'm using cfqueryparam with
   a
sqltype of cf_sql_time. However, when entering a time value of, for
example, 00:01:22.05, the value that actually gets inserted drops the
decimal part of the seconds. When I do the insert query without using
cfqueryparam, it works fine. I prefer using cfqueryparam for obvious
reasons and am always hesitant to not use it, so is there a way to get
   it to
work and still have it retain the decimal portion of the second?

Thanks,

Pete
 
 

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Re: Storing decimal parts of a second cfqueryparam

2011-02-26 Thread Charlie Griefer

Hi Pete:

Have you tried cf_sql_timestamp as the cfsqltype (as opposed to cf_sql_time)? 
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On Saturday, February 26, 2011 at 2:33 PM, Pete Ruckelshaus wrote: 
 
 I'm building an app for keeping track of high school track meet results
 using CF9 and MS SQL Server 2008. I am using the time(7) data type in the
 database, and when doing the insert query, I'm using cfqueryparam with a
 sqltype of cf_sql_time. However, when entering a time value of, for
 example, 00:01:22.05, the value that actually gets inserted drops the
 decimal part of the seconds. When I do the insert query without using
 cfqueryparam, it works fine. I prefer using cfqueryparam for obvious
 reasons and am always hesitant to not use it, so is there a way to get it to
 work and still have it retain the decimal portion of the second?
 
 Thanks,
 
 Pete
 
 
 

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Re: Re: Change in ColdFusion management

2011-02-15 Thread Charlie Griefer

Adam posted that from his gmail account. Doesn't seem that he was acting in any 
official capacity for his company there (also no sig indicating that he's an 
Adobe employee).

Yeah, I understand that there are some politics in play, but regardless of the 
position we hold, or the company for whom we work, I think people should 
generally be allowed to express their opinions outside of that, without fear of 
repercussion. 
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On Tuesday, February 15, 2011 at 11:48 AM, Judah McAuley wrote: 
 
 On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 10:42 AM, Brian Kotek brian...@gmail.com wrote:
  
  That's one way to look at it. But the much more likely view (and the one
  Adobe sees) is that the people who think he's guilty of bad behavior are
  not only a tiny minority, but are also wrong.
 
 Perhaps I have a misunderstanding of the Adobe corporate culture, but
 if I was acting in an official capacity for my company and called one
 of our customers a dick on a public mailing list, I'm pretty sure that
 my boss would consider that bad behavior.
 
 Judah
 
 

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Re: coldfusion errors

2011-02-08 Thread Charlie Griefer

There's a whole section on it in the livedocs :)

http://help.adobe.com/en_US/ColdFusion/9.0/Developing/WSc3ff6d0ea77859461172e0811cbec22c24-7fc4.html

On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 6:30 PM, Richard  Steele r...@photoeye.com wrote:

 Is there anyway to catch coldfusion programming errors?

 cfoutput#999sdflkjsdf;lk#/cfoutput is caught by my error handler.

 But cfoutput#alsdk;fjlkj#/cfoutpu
 is not.

 Thanks in advance.

 

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Re: Charge for meetings

2011-02-07 Thread Charlie Griefer

On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 4:33 PM, Sean Corfield seancorfi...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 6:15 AM, Marc Funaro subscripti...@advantex.net 
 wrote:
 Sean, it would be interesting to learn what source code repository + 
 ticketing system you use.

 Unfuddle.com seems to be the most accessible for clients in terms of
 friendly terminology etc.

 And I use git with it.

Hey wow.  Me too :)

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Re: Anyone know anything about this new ColdFusion conference?

2011-01-31 Thread Charlie Griefer

Rather than ignore it... is it worth trying to steer in a more
productive direction?  Can it be a productive discussion?

I've gone on record before as saying I don't think the existence of
the alternate engines spells the doom of Adobe ColdFusion.  I may be
wrong, but lord I hope not.  Adobe ColdFusion has been -very- good to
me over the past 15 years, not just professionally, but personally.
Many of the people that I consider my best friends are friends that
I've made in the CF community.  So I've got both a personal and
professional interest in this, and it's a subject that I care about
quite a bit.

If it can't be done here... so be it.  Just seems that we have
representation from all sides, and nobody seems to be too shy about
sharing how they feel.  All we need to do is steer the discussion in a
direction where it's more productive and constructive.  Assuming that
direction... y'know... exists.

On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 7:14 PM, Ben Forta b...@forta.com wrote:

 Good point, I guess I blocked those from my memory.

 Oh well, I guess I'll just have to ignore this pointless banter up for a few
 more days before the thread makes it to the CF-Talk Rogues Gallery.

 --- Ben


 -Original Message-
 From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com]
 Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 8:58 PM
 To: cf-talk
 Subject: Re: Anyone know anything about this new ColdFusion conference?


 I officially nominate this thread as the least productive on cf-talk ever.

 I'm sorry, Ben, but this one isn't even close. Are you forgetting all the
 why isn't CF/CFB free threads? Or the is CF dying threads?
 This one will need at least twenty more replies before it's even in the same
 category.

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 http://training.figleaf.com/

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Re: Anyone know anything about this new ColdFusion conference?

2011-01-31 Thread Charlie Griefer

Ben - if you think there's a venue in which the discussion *could* be
had productively, I'd love to be a part of it, or at the very least,
do whatever I could to help make it happen.  Just say the word.

On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 7:46 PM, Ben Forta b...@forta.com wrote:

 Charlie,

 I'd love to have a productive discussion on this subject. And yes, I have
 opinions on this one, I've shared them before and am happy to do so again.
 And no, as much as I admire Adam's passion for ColdFusion (it's why I nudged
 him into the role), I don't fully agree with his take on things. But
 regardless, I don't think this thread can be steered anywhere. When
 conversations denigrate to emotional rants and accusations and
 unsubstantiated sweeping generalizations, that's when I back away.

 --- Ben


 -Original Message-
 From: Charlie Griefer [mailto:charlie.grie...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 9:28 PM
 To: cf-talk
 Subject: Re: Anyone know anything about this new ColdFusion conference?


 Rather than ignore it... is it worth trying to steer in a more productive
 direction?  Can it be a productive discussion?

 I've gone on record before as saying I don't think the existence of the
 alternate engines spells the doom of Adobe ColdFusion.  I may be wrong, but
 lord I hope not.  Adobe ColdFusion has been -very- good to me over the past
 15 years, not just professionally, but personally.
 Many of the people that I consider my best friends are friends that I've
 made in the CF community.  So I've got both a personal and professional
 interest in this, and it's a subject that I care about quite a bit.

 If it can't be done here... so be it.  Just seems that we have
 representation from all sides, and nobody seems to be too shy about sharing
 how they feel.  All we need to do is steer the discussion in a direction
 where it's more productive and constructive.  Assuming that direction...
 y'know... exists.

 On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 7:14 PM, Ben Forta b...@forta.com wrote:

 Good point, I guess I blocked those from my memory.

 Oh well, I guess I'll just have to ignore this pointless banter up for
 a few more days before the thread makes it to the CF-Talk Rogues Gallery.

 --- Ben


 -Original Message-
 From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com]
 Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 8:58 PM
 To: cf-talk
 Subject: Re: Anyone know anything about this new ColdFusion conference?


 I officially nominate this thread as the least productive on cf-talk
 ever.

 I'm sorry, Ben, but this one isn't even close. Are you forgetting all
 the why isn't CF/CFB free threads? Or the is CF dying threads?
 This one will need at least twenty more replies before it's even in
 the same category.

 Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
 http://www.figleaf.com/
 http://training.figleaf.com/

 Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA
 Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized
 instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite.







 

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Re: Subtracting two dates

2011-01-28 Thread Charlie Griefer

On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 11:45 AM, Adam Bourg adam.bo...@gmail.com wrote:

 I'm trying to figure out how to subtract two dates and return the number of 
 days between then.

 My dates are cprAdultExp, which is a database column, I typically write it 
 as: #dateformat(cprAdultExp,mm/dd/)#

 The other is Now()
 Which I also format as: #dateformat(Now(),mm/dd/)#

 What's the easy way to do this?

http://www.cfquickdocs.com/cf9/#datediff

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Re: Coldfusion Hosting

2011-01-28 Thread Charlie Griefer

Well, if you believe in the old adage of you get what you pay for...
then decent and cheap are mutually exclusive :)

That being said... since decent is a subjective term (altho I guess
cheap is as well), a while back I hosted my blog at
http://hostingatoz.com/.  Their most expensive package (which includes
ColdFusion 8) is $75 a year.

When I was with them, it was... decent.  There were downtimes, but I
sort of expected that going into a $75/yr host.  I will say the
downtimes weren't nearly as frequent as I expected, and the support
was very good, at least in terms of responsiveness.

I know others who used them (some at my recommendation back then), who
didn't have as good of an experience.

At $75/yr, you takes your chances :)

On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 11:49 AM, Adam Bourg adam.bo...@gmail.com wrote:

 Can anyone recommend a decent yet cheap web host for ColdFusion?

 Right now I'm hosting my site at DreamHost (Simple wordpress as CMS site).

 I'm looking for
 SQL
 PHP 5
 and Coldfusion 8 support
 all under $6.

 Am I dreaming?

 

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Re: Coldfusion Hosting

2011-01-28 Thread Charlie Griefer

Weird.  Comes up for me.  Came up for me a few minutes ago (I brought
the site up to check the price).  Hmm...

On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 12:09 PM, DURETTE, STEVEN J (ATTASIAIT)
sd1...@att.com wrote:

 That's funny, http://hostingatoz.com/ returns FORBIDDEN You don't have
 permission to access/ on this server!

 Steve

 -Original Message-
 From: Charlie Griefer [mailto:charlie.grie...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 2:03 PM
 To: cf-talk
 Subject: Re: Coldfusion Hosting


 Well, if you believe in the old adage of you get what you pay for...
 then decent and cheap are mutually exclusive :)

 That being said... since decent is a subjective term (altho I guess
 cheap is as well), a while back I hosted my blog at
 http://hostingatoz.com/.  Their most expensive package (which includes
 ColdFusion 8) is $75 a year.

 When I was with them, it was... decent.  There were downtimes, but I
 sort of expected that going into a $75/yr host.  I will say the
 downtimes weren't nearly as frequent as I expected, and the support
 was very good, at least in terms of responsiveness.

 I know others who used them (some at my recommendation back then), who
 didn't have as good of an experience.

 At $75/yr, you takes your chances :)


 

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Re: Coldfusion Hosting

2011-01-28 Thread Charlie Griefer

When you're paying $75 a year for CF hosting, you don't get the luxury
of folks getting to see it in multiple browsers :D

On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 12:16 PM, DURETTE, STEVEN J (ATTASIAIT)
sd1...@att.com wrote:

 Strange it came up for me in Firefox, but my Corporate version of IE8
 gets the following error:

 Forbidden
 You don't have permission to access / on this server.

 Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use
 an ErrorDocument to handle the request.

 -Original Message-
 From: Charlie Griefer [mailto:charlie.grie...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 2:10 PM
 To: cf-talk
 Subject: Re: Coldfusion Hosting


 Weird.  Comes up for me.  Came up for me a few minutes ago (I brought
 the site up to check the price).  Hmm...

 

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Re: Return boolean from a CFC query

2011-01-26 Thread Charlie Griefer

Got a few questions about your CFC method...

1) where is the variable DSN coming from?
2) Should your WHERE be: WHERE profileID = #session.profile.profileID#
? (essentially the reverse of what you have)
3) consider using cfqueryparam in your SQL when using dynamic values
(yeah, I know... that's not a question)
4) along those same lines, you should var scope your query name.
cfset var isStudentEmployee =  /, and then run the cfquery.  It
may or may not be a big deal for this particular method... but in
general, you want to var scope any variable used in a method.  This
ensures that the variable is bound to that method and that method
only.
5) you're running the query, but returning true regardless of the
result of the query.  Should there perhaps be a conditional in there?
6) As Michael F. suggested, you might want to pass the profileID
variable in as an argument to the method.  It's generally considered
to be bad practice to reference session (or any outside scope) from
within a cfc method, as that breaks encapsulation (meaning the method
should only know about itself... nothing about the 'outside world'...
anything it needs to know should be sent in to it... think black
box).
7) To see what the query is returning, you can always do a cfdump
var=#isStudentEmployee# /cfabort / right after the /cfquery and
above the cfreturn

On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Adam Bourg adam.bo...@gmail.com wrote:

 Here's what I'm trying to do. I'm building a module that only our 
 Professional Staff can access, I am trying to identify where the person 
 logged in is a pro staff member or a student staffer. When they log into our 
 CMS, there is a session variable that returns their profile id. it is: 
 #Session.Profile.profileID#

 We have two tables:
 Table 1: pro_profile
 Primary key: profileID
 This contains all users, their information etc...

 Table 2: mod_userStatus
 Primary key:
 Sec Key: profileID
 This is simply a primary key with a secondary key of profileID. If a person 
 is on this list they are a prostaffer, if not they are a student.

 I'm trying to query the database and return boolean if the user exists on 
 mod_userStatus. If yes, they can access the page, if no, redirect.

 Here's the CFC.

    cffunction name=isStudentEmployee returntype=boolean hint=Method to 
 determine if the person logged in is a student or pro staffer, will corelate 
 to a control structure if student employee throw up access denied
        cfquery datasource=#DSN# name=isStudentEmployee
                SELECT
                profileID
            FROM
                mod_userStatus
                WHERE
                #Session.Profile.profileID# = profileID
        /cfquery

      cfreturn true
    /cffunction

 When I run this, it just gives me a blank page, returns nothing and no error.

 

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Re: Return boolean from a CFC query -- UPDATE: Solved

2011-01-26 Thread Charlie Griefer

On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 11:31 AM, Adam Bourg adam.bo...@gmail.com wrote:

 I solved it with the first couple of posts help.

      cfif isStudentEmployee.recordcount eq 0
          cfreturn true
      cfelse
          cfreturn false
      /cfif

Glad you got it working.

You can tighten that return up a bit by doing:

cfreturn isStudentEmployee.recordcount = 0 /

Then no need for the conditional.

You could also drop the comparison itself since CF does implicit
boolean conversion.

cfreturn isStudentEmployee.recordcount /

^That'll do the same thing.

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Re: Return boolean from a CFC query -- UPDATE: Solved

2011-01-26 Thread Charlie Griefer

Well, it will return the actual recordcount... which is a number.  But
CF implicitly converts numeric values to boolean values. Any non-zero
value is true, while any zero value is false.

So given the following code:

cfif myCFC.myMethod()do something/cfif

... assuming myMethod returns a numeric value, your page will output
do something as long as the value returned is not zero.

On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 12:02 PM, Che Vilnonis ch...@asitv.com wrote:

 Charlie, is this true only when the return type is Boolean?
 Otherwise, it should return the actual recordcount, right?

 Thanks, Che




 You could also drop the comparison itself since CF does implicit boolean
 conversion.

 cfreturn isStudentEmployee.recordcount /

 ^That'll do the same thing.



 

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Re: Return boolean from a CFC query -- UPDATE: Solved

2011-01-26 Thread Charlie Griefer

d'oH!  Good catch.

So if you go the implicit boolean conversion route, switch the return
true for return false...

On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 12:06 PM, Scott Stroz boyz...@gmail.com wrote:

 Actually, these will not return the same value.

 Lets assume the query returns 0 records.

 cfreturn isStudentEmployee.recordcount = 0 / will return true

 cfreturn isStudentEmployee.recordcount / will return false


 On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Charlie Griefer
 charlie.grie...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 11:31 AM, Adam Bourg adam.bo...@gmail.com wrote:

 I solved it with the first couple of posts help.

      cfif isStudentEmployee.recordcount eq 0
          cfreturn true
      cfelse
          cfreturn false
      /cfif

 Glad you got it working.

 You can tighten that return up a bit by doing:

 cfreturn isStudentEmployee.recordcount = 0 /

 Then no need for the conditional.

 You could also drop the comparison itself since CF does implicit
 boolean conversion.

 cfreturn isStudentEmployee.recordcount /

 ^That'll do the same thing.

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Re: Return boolean from a CFC query -- UPDATE: Solved

2011-01-26 Thread Charlie Griefer

On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 12:30 PM, Ezra Parker e...@cfgrok.com wrote:

 On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 10:43 AM, Charlie Griefer
 charlie.grie...@gmail.com wrote:
 cfreturn isStudentEmployee.recordcount = 0 /

 Unless I'm missing something, this should be:

 cfreturn isStudentEmployee.recordcount eq 0 /

Y'know, I'd bring up the fact that I've been working in script much
more than tags lately... but = *still* wouldn't be the correct
operator.

*sigh* :)

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Re: why is cf_builder so expensive?

2011-01-26 Thread Charlie Griefer

You missed the part where he said, And I'm the sole breadwinner.

On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 10:32 PM, Eric Roberts
ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote:

 I am sure you also make a lot more than I do (combined household that
 is...especially if your wife has an MBA...mine is going for her CAN
 certificate) Sean ;-)

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 Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 22:21
 To: cf-talk
 Subject: Re: why is cf_builder so expensive?


 We all have priorities and choices and there are pros and cons to all of
 them.

 I also have a wife (of 11+ years now) and we're still paying off her MBA
 loans (from Pepperdine). We have no human kids but we have a lot of
 four-legged furry 'kids' that eat us out of house and home. And I'm the sole
 breadwinner. Luckily my wife makes me spend money on stuff for my consulting
 business (esp. in November / December as the end of the tax year looms
 large) so each year normally sees an appropriate amount of software and
 hardware purchased. And of course conference attendance counts too (so,
 apart from missing me when I'm not home, she's very supportive / encouraging
 of me attending conferences).

 I know we've had this discussion before and I suspect we'll just have to
 agree to disagree.

 Sean

 On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 7:45 PM, Eric Roberts
 ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote:
 Yeah...wife...and an ex-wife, 2 kids (one lives with us, other with
 ex) plus
 3 step kids (one lives with us)...plus wife is going to school and the
 step daughter that lives with us also has a daughter and is not
 employed so I am the sole breadwinner for the household...so
 yeah...300 is a shitload of money to me.



 

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Re: why is cf_builder so expensive?

2011-01-25 Thread Charlie Griefer

On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 7:48 PM, Michael Firth mfsqlser...@gmail.com wrote:
 I am surprised that nobody has really tried to say why cf builder is so good 
 likes it features.  in other words, nobody has really provided a good reason 
 as to why should I invest in it.

Because good is relative.  What I think is good, you might not...
so why don't *you* download the trial and take it for a spin.  See if
*you* think it's good.  Or, at the very least, worth $299 (which also
includes FlashBuilder).

As far as why it's different than CFEclipse... already been put
together for you.

www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/whitepapers/pdf/cfb_overview.pdf

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Re: why is cf_builder so expensive?

2011-01-25 Thread Charlie Griefer

On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 8:14 PM, Michael Firth mfsqlser...@gmail.com wrote:

 Sorry to hear that coming from a CTO of a leading company, but your opinion 
 is your opinion and I can respect that.  Actually, I have gotten some good 
 perspectives and while I think it could be cheaper my aim was to get a 
 discussion going about it because I have been away for a while.  I just wish 
 you had offered a wider perspective on it.

Not sure what you're sorry to hear... everything Dave said was spot-on
(he's more spot-on than Wikipedia).  As far as his (or anybody's)
perspective... again, it's not necessarily a productive use of
anybody's time (yours or theirs).  I can tell you that it has feature
X, which absolutely ROCKS!  But you might not have a need for
feature X, or you just might not like feature X.

There's a trial period that allows you to form your own perspective on
it.  Asking other people why should I buy it, without having
downloaded it yourself and trying it... doesn't seem like the most
judicious use of anybody's time.

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Re: Is Coldfusion losing it biggest asset?

2011-01-13 Thread Charlie Griefer

On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 5:39 PM, Sean Corfield seancorfi...@gmail.com wrote:

 Remember: the success of PHP, Ruby and other languages has come about
 _without_ a company spending money on marketing. Those languages have
 become popular because their users - their communities - have
 evangelized and created tutorials and books and great free open source
 software and so on. You can't lay the fault at Adobe's door...

Sure, but PHP, Ruby and other languages don't have an up front cost
associated with them.  So yeah, nobody had to market those languages,
but at the same time, those languages didn't have to overcome the
objections of why should I pay $x per server up front and then the
costs of upgrades...

I think the CF community has done OK in creating tutorials and the
like.  Books, maybe not so much since version 6, but I think that's
more due to publishers not being so interested in publishing
ColdFusion books.  Great free open source software?  Yeah, we may be
lacking in that area compared to other languages... but I think that
price tag issue still comes into play there.  You can set up a PHP
server and grab wordpress and be up and running.  If you want
ColdFusion OSS, you still need to buy the ColdFusion license... so I
don't know that the demand has been there enough to justify the
effort.

Don't get me wrong... you and I have had this conversation at CFUG
meetings.  There just doesn't seem to be as much enthusiasm in general
within the CF community as there is in some other, younger
communities.  We've talked about some of the reasons why that might be
(mature language, many users content to get by using what they
know...), and that's unfortunate.

But CF is, and likely always will be, a niche product.  We'll never
have the sheer numbers that PHP or Ruby do.  So as enthusiastic as our
army may ever be... we'll never have the numbers to go out and really
make a significant impact on the programming community as a whole.
We're just not big enough (and yeah, i know, that's what she said).

So yes... I think there's some responsibility in the community to
evangelize and help spread the word.  But I do think we are perfectly
justified in laying a good amount of the responsibility at Adobe's
door.  It's their product.  They charge for it (the product, the
support).  I think they share a huge chunk of the responsibility in
helping to spread the word, and I'd personally love to see them make
more of an effort in that area.  If Microsoft could show up as a
sponsor at a CF conference, why doesn't Adobe show up at MS events?
Or other non Adobe-specific events?  Where's the advertising in the
media targeting other developers?  I see lots of it for Flex and AIR
and hey let's all go be Android developers and f*ck Apple.  Don't
see nearly that much time/energy/effort in saying, hey let's all go
be CF developers and f*ck Ruby or .NET or whomever else.

Just my $0.02 :)

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Re: Is Coldfusion losing its biggest asset?

2011-01-12 Thread Charlie Griefer

On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 8:42 AM, Irvin Gomez ir...@pixel69.com wrote:

 Thanks, everyone for all the different perspectives. I know that if I were 
 looking at coldfusion for the first time these days, with all the OOP and 
 framework talk dominating the 'airwaves', I'd probably go with PHP or 
 something else...

I think if you were looking at CF for the first time these days, you'd
be looking at the features that were consistent with your skill set.
If you were a beginner, you'd probably be pretty happy that CF can get
you up and writing web applications pretty darn quickly.  If you were
more advanced, you'd probably be looking for stuff like, are there
frameworks? (yes!), does it do ORM? (yes!), can I write components
in script? (yes!)...

CF is a very unique animal.  As a beginner, you can get up and running
very quickly.  As a more experienced developer, you can take advantage
of a number of powerful features.  I don't think that beginners should
be concerned with the frameworks, ORM, etc.  Those features are there
when and if that person needs them.

For all of the advances that CF has made in recent years, this still
works, and is valid CFML:

cfif a IS NOT TRUE#b#/cfif

If you were a beginner, I would think that would look more appealing
over most other languages :)

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Re: Auto Complete

2011-01-05 Thread Charlie Griefer

On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 12:32 PM, George Campbell gtc1...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello All,

     I am running CF8 and I would like to implement a text box that would 
 auto-complete with a drop down. I would like it to work as if I was using 
 Outlook to look up a person in the Data-base.

http://jqueryui.com/demos/autocomplete/

Works a treat.  I just implemented it for a customer running CF 7.

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Re: Auto Complete

2011-01-05 Thread Charlie Griefer

Ooh nice.  I (obviously) hadn't used the built-in functionality.  Did
a quick google before answering, but all I saw in the results (at a
quick glance) were using the jQuery autocomplete in conjunction with
CF, so I assumed it wasn't there (built-in).

My bad :)

On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 2:12 PM, Adrocknaphobia adrocknapho...@gmail.com wrote:

 It's actually built-in to ColdFusion 8's cfinput tag.

 cfinput autosuggest=...  /

 http://livedocs.adobe.com/coldfusion/8/htmldocs/help.html?content=Tags_i_07.html

 -Adam

 On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 2:42 PM, Charlie Griefer
 charlie.grie...@gmail.comwrote:


 On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 12:32 PM, George Campbell gtc1...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  Hello All,
 
      I am running CF8 and I would like to implement a text box that would
 auto-complete with a drop down. I would like it to work as if I was using
 Outlook to look up a person in the Data-base.

 http://jqueryui.com/demos/autocomplete/

 Works a treat.  I just implemented it for a customer running CF 7.

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Re: Diplaying struct info when you dump an array with strcts in it's elements...

2010-12-24 Thread Charlie Griefer

You can add the label attribute?

cfdump var=#myStruct1# label=myStruct1 /

cfdump var=#myOtherStruct# label=a different struct /

On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 6:21 PM, Eric Roberts
ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote:

 Is there a way to get cfdump to display the struct name when it dumps?  I
 have an array that contains a struct and I am having some issues adding some
 vars for display so I want to make sure I am addressing it correctly.
 Currently, all cfdump shows is the word struct.  It looks like everything
 is addressed properly, but I am getting errors saying that the vars aren't
 defined.  I am learning a new application (new position) so I am immersed in
 a rather steep learning curve at the moment while trying to get stuff done
 that needs to be done next week :-D  Nothing like hitting the ground
 running!







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Re: Diplaying struct info when you dump an array with strcts in it's elements...

2010-12-24 Thread Charlie Griefer

The value for label can be any value you want... literal string or variable.

On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 7:33 PM, Eric Roberts
ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote:

 Any way to ge that dynamically label structures instead of just putting
 array or struct?

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 Sent: Friday, December 24, 2010 19:51
 To: cf-talk
 Subject: Re: Diplaying struct info when you dump an array with strcts in
 it's elements...


 You can add the label attribute?

 cfdump var=#myStruct1# label=myStruct1 /

 cfdump var=#myOtherStruct# label=a different struct /

 On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 6:21 PM, Eric Roberts
 ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote:

 Is there a way to get cfdump to display the struct name when it dumps?
 I have an array that contains a struct and I am having some issues
 adding some vars for display so I want to make sure I am addressing it
 correctly.
 Currently, all cfdump shows is the word struct.  It looks like
 everything is addressed properly, but I am getting errors saying that
 the vars aren't defined.  I am learning a new application (new
 position) so I am immersed in a rather steep learning curve at the
 moment while trying to get stuff done that needs to be done next week
 :-D  Nothing like hitting the ground running!







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Re: Variable Scoping in CF8, CF9

2010-12-23 Thread Charlie Griefer

On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 10:16 AM, Matthew Reinbold
matthew.reinb...@voxpopdesign.com wrote:

 I know that correctly scoping variables in ColdFusion is important to prevent 
 unexpected results if a variable is accidentally reused elsewhere in a CFC. 
 But, if I remember correctly, in CFMX there were some pretty nasty memory 
 leaks that could occur if variables weren't scoped correctly.

 Does that apply to newer (8,9) versions of ColdFusion?

Yup.  All function-local variables in a CFC should be var scoped.  CF
9 did introduce the local scope inside of CFC methods, so doing
this:

cffunction name=myFunction
 cfset local.myVariable = foo /
/cffunction

is functionally equivalent to doing:

cffunction name=myFunction
 cfset var myVariable = foo /
/cffunction

So while there are now 2 ways to declare a variable as local to a
given function (assuming you're on CF 9), the requirement still
remains that you do need to scope these variables properly in order to
avoid leakage.

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Re: (ot) jQuery question

2010-12-12 Thread Charlie Griefer

You don't need the i or o arguments for the code I posted.  They were
remnants from copying your original code.

From the docs (http://api.jquery.com/each/):

.each( function(index, Element) )

so the first argument is the index.  .each() is looping over an array
(the array of selected DOM elements), so for each iteration, 'i' (or
whatever argument you declare) would be the position in the array of
the current element.

The second argument is the element itself, which can optionally be
passed in.  Not sure why I couldn't get it to work using o rather
than creating a new instance of $( this ) for each iteration... I'd
imagine passing the element in would be more performant, but probably
not enough of a difference to be noticeable.

On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 10:32 AM, Rick Faircloth
ric...@whitestonemedia.com wrote:

 Thanks, Charlie!  That gives me the correct output.
 Now I can move on to the AJAX, JSON, and CF CFC processing
 of data.

 Would you be so kind as to actually explain what function
 the i and o play in function(i,o) ?  They're variables/values
 passed into the function, right?

 I tested their necessity by taking them out of your
 code and just using function() instead of function(i,o)
 and the code still ran the same.  And even some of the
 example code I found performing this kind of functionality for lists
 used both i and o in the (), but only referenced the o
 in the actual function.

 I've always been confused about the role these variables
 playing in function(i,o) and whatever was in the ().
 Does the first argument (in this case, i) always mean something
 specific because it's in the first argument position?  And the
 same with the variable that's in the second position?

 I scoured the Internet trying to get a good explanation of using
 these arguments, but haven't found what I needed to understand.

 Thanks for any insight you'd share!

 Rick


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 Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 10:51 PM
 To: cf-talk
 Subject: Re: (ot) jQuery question


 You're missing a # in your selector for #myTable.
 Even with the #, couldn't get your code to run... but the following
 seems to work:

 $( document ).ready( function() {
        var staffOrder = ;

        $( '#myTable tr' ).each( function( i,o ) {
                if ( staffOrder.length ) {
                        staffOrder += , + $( this ).attr( 'class' );
                } else {
                        staffOrder = $( this ).attr( 'class' );
                }
        });

        alert('staffOrder = ' + staffOrder);
 });

 On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 8:36 PM, Rick Faircloth
 r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote:

 Hope some of you jQuery and CF users can answer what
 seems to me should be an easy question, but I can't
 figure out how to write this jQuery to product a list
 of values.  (I'll use AJAX and JSON to send the value list
 to a cffunction for processing).

 Given this HTML:

        table id=myTable

                tr class=1
                        td1/td
                /tr

                tr class=2
                        td2/td
                /tr

                tr class=3
                        td3/td
                /tr

                tr class=4
                        td4/td
                /tr

                tr class=5
                        td5/td
                /tr

        /table

 How can I modify this jQuery to produce
 a list of the classes of the tr's above?

 (Output I'm looking for is 1,2,3,4,5 .)

 I get staffOrder =  in the alert.  It's as if
 the each function below isn't working at all.

 Suggestions?

 Thanks!

 Rick


        $(document).ready(function() {

                var staffOrder = '';

                $('myTable tr').each(function(i,o) {

                        if      (       staffOrder.length
 )
                                {       staffOrder += ',' + o.class;
 }
                        else    {       staffOrder = o.class
 }

                });

                alert('staffOrder = ' + staffOrder);

        });









 

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Re: (ot) jQuery question

2010-12-11 Thread Charlie Griefer

You're missing a # in your selector for #myTable.
Even with the #, couldn't get your code to run... but the following
seems to work:

$( document ).ready( function() {
var staffOrder = ;

$( '#myTable tr' ).each( function( i,o ) {
if ( staffOrder.length ) {
staffOrder += , + $( this ).attr( 'class' );
} else {
staffOrder = $( this ).attr( 'class' );
}
});

alert('staffOrder = ' + staffOrder);
});

On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 8:36 PM, Rick Faircloth
r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote:

 Hope some of you jQuery and CF users can answer what
 seems to me should be an easy question, but I can't
 figure out how to write this jQuery to product a list
 of values.  (I'll use AJAX and JSON to send the value list
 to a cffunction for processing).

 Given this HTML:

        table id=myTable

                tr class=1
                        td1/td
                /tr

                tr class=2
                        td2/td
                /tr

                tr class=3
                        td3/td
                /tr

                tr class=4
                        td4/td
                /tr

                tr class=5
                        td5/td
                /tr

        /table

 How can I modify this jQuery to produce
 a list of the classes of the tr's above?

 (Output I'm looking for is 1,2,3,4,5 .)

 I get staffOrder =  in the alert.  It's as if
 the each function below isn't working at all.

 Suggestions?

 Thanks!

 Rick


        $(document).ready(function() {

                var staffOrder = '';

                $('myTable tr').each(function(i,o) {

                        if      (       staffOrder.length
 )
                                {       staffOrder += ',' + o.class;
 }
                        else    {       staffOrder = o.class
 }

                });

                alert('staffOrder = ' + staffOrder);

        });





 

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Re: REGEX hell

2010-11-25 Thread Charlie Griefer

... since we're throwing out recommendations for our favorite so glad this
exists because of how badly I suck at reg ex apps, I've found
http://gskinner.com/RegExr/desktop/ to be a -very- valuable tool.

On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 8:56 AM, Dave Merrill enigm...@gmail.com wrote:


 Be a little careful, Regex Coach works with perl regex syntax; cf
 needs java syntax usually, with some differences.

 I can't recommend Regex Buddy highly enough. It's not free, but it's
 really quite excellent, supports a variety of different flavors.

 Dave


 On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 10:17 AM, Jerry Barnes critic...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  Regex that is useful but unfortunately, my skills are pretty weak in that
  area.
 
  I use an application named The Regex Coach' to build my code.  It has a
  place to put the string you are trying to match and another place to put
  your regex code.  As you modify the regex code, it highlights how much of
  the string matches.
 
  The program is free with the option of donating via paypal to the creator
 if
  you like it.
 
 
 
  J
 
  -
 
  No man's life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is in
  session. - Mark Twain
 
 
 

 

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Re: Free ColdFusion Hosting

2010-11-24 Thread Charlie Griefer

If this is just a project that you're working on for the sake of honing your
skills, and it doesn't have to be publicly accessible, there's no reason you
couldn't continue to work on it locally using the developer edition of CF.

Free CF hosting is going to be hard to come by.  Outside of the resource you
mentioned, I can't think of any.  There was one that Pablo Varando was
running, but I'm not sure if it's still around.  Even if it is, it was
marketed as being for development only, in which case... well, yeah... the
developer edition of CF running locally works a treat.


On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Matthew Lowrey rid...@gmail.com wrote:


 Hello Fellow HoFer's:

 Because of the economy and me being out of work until this year for almost
 2 years I had to let my personal website hosted by GoDaddy go the way of the
 buffalo.  I was basically using it to work on a home project of building a
 family tree program.  I was doing it for fun and for using new skills I have
 learned at work and school.  Plus, it would give me a chance to take all my
 family's (and wife's family's) information on the web to share with family
 members and our kids when they get old enough to be interested in.

 I was hopping to find a place where I could host my ColdFusion code while
 building this project (basically from scratch) for free.  I know this is
 almost impossible but it couldn't hurt to ask and google.

 I found one place: http://www.cfmldeveloper.com/ but it's out of country
 (USA) which, I don't have a problem with, but at the same time I'm hesitant
 to just go anywhere with the way the world is today.  Do any of you have any
 recommendations?  Even if they aren't for free, I'm curious your thoughts on
 this subject.

 GoDaddy.com has been a great service and very reasonable, I just can't
 afford to go back right now.

 

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Re: cfscript based components formatting

2010-11-15 Thread Charlie Griefer

/* This is me agreeing */

I agree!

On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 3:35 PM, Matt Quackenbush quackfu...@gmail.comwrote:


 No comments driving behavior!  :-)


 

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Re: jquery

2010-11-05 Thread Charlie Griefer

Maybe because you recently changed your style sheet?  Can you view source
and verify that the style you expect to be applied (which I assume is an
external .css file) is being included with the correct path?

On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 9:23 PM, Monique Boea moniqueb...@gmail.com wrote:


 why would my jquery validation code styles not show up?

 I recently changed my style sheet on an app...before I made changes the
 jquery styling showed up (yellow background...red text).

 Now I get the This field is required message but with no style.

 Any suggestions?

 TIA


 

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Re: What is wrong with this loop update?

2010-11-02 Thread Charlie Griefer

You say you're trying to update multiple rows... but your WHERE is stating,
WHERE project_id = #URL.projectID#.

Since URL.projectID most likely isn't changing during the iteration of that
loop, you'll only ever be updating one row 'x' number of times.


On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 4:28 PM, Rick Colman rcol...@cox.net wrote:


 I am trying to update multiple rows by looping through:

 cfloop query=GetExpOrg

 (diagnostics) cfoutputrow: #GetExpOrg.currentrow# id:
 #GetExpOrg.ExpOrg_ID#/cfoutputbr

 cfquery datasource=#application.datasource# name=UpdateExpOrg
 update Project_ExpOrg
 set OrgValue=(select org_value from expressionorganism3
 where exporg_id = #GetExpOrg.ExpOrg_ID#)
 where project_id = #url.ProjectId#
 /cfquery

 /cfloop

 my diagnostics give me:

 row: 1 id: 2
 row: 2 id: 693
 so that is ok.

 but both rows are updated with the last value (693) instead of being
 individually updated?

 What's wrong with this?

 TNX if you can help.

 Rick.


 

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Re: ColdFusion Companies in Baltimore/DC/VA

2010-11-01 Thread Charlie Griefer

While I agree with John's suggestion of reaching out to local CFUGs, I can
think of 3 companies off the top of my head (but I'm sure there are others).

In no particular order...

Fig Leaf (http://www.figleaf.com/)
AboutWeb (http://www.aboutweb.com/)
Teratech (http://www.teratech.com/)

On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 12:23 PM, John M Bliss bliss.j...@gmail.com wrote:


 Perhaps you could also direct this question toward your local CFUG's and
 their members:

 http://groups.adobe.com/group/1021
 http://groups.adobe.com/group/349
 http://groups.adobe.com/group/782
 http://groups.adobe.com/group/303

 On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 2:09 PM, John Bono john_b...@ace.nche.edu wrote:

 
  Hello,
 
  We are getting ready for a major undertaking to involve a complete
 overhaul
  of our very large Web site/CMS system to include a new design,
 information
  architecture, marketing strategy, CMS platform, etc. We plan on issuing 2
  RFPs: one for the design/marketing strategy and one for the technical
  implementation.
 
  However, finding companies in the Baltimore/Washington, DC/Virginia area
  with a preference for ColdFusion has proven to be very difficult.
 
  We have a preference for a company that uses ColdFusion as one of its
  technologies. Does anyone know of any companies in this area that would
 be
  able to perform such work?
 
  Thanks in advance!
 
 

 

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Re: Javascript Cfquery

2010-10-12 Thread Charlie Griefer

On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 1:20 PM, fun and learning
funandlrnn...@gmail.comwrote:


 Hi All -

 I am trying to do the following:

 script language=text/javascript
  function abc(arg1, arg2) {
 cfquery name=q datasource=..
select * from table1 where col1 = arg1
 /cfquery
 ..
  }

 /script

 Is it possible to pass javascript arguments to a coldfusion query which is
 in turn present in the javascript block?


ColdFusion runs on the server.  JavaScript runs on the client.  By the time
the browser has rendered the page, ColdFusion has done its duty and is
probably hanging out smoking a cigarette or using the little application
server room.

You can output CF variables to JS just like you do to HTML...

script type=text/javascript
 var myName = cfoutput#myName#/cfoutput;
/script

... but it's not a two-way conversation (much like my conversations with my
wife).  If you want them to talk to each other, you need to introduce AJAX
into the equation.

So short answer is, no... a JavaScript variable can't be used to manipulate
a ColdFusion variable (but the converse works a treat), without utilizing
AJAX.

And maybe worth noting that the language attribute of the script tag is
deprecated in favor of type.
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Re: Simple question

2010-10-07 Thread Charlie Griefer

If it does, you can try cffile action=append file=c:\temp\temp.txt
output= /

On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 12:29 PM, Dan Baughman dan.baugh...@gmail.comwrote:


 So if you set the output to blank it doesn't over write the contents of the
 file?

 On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 1:13 PM, John M Bliss bliss.j...@gmail.com wrote:

 
  cffile action=write file=c:\temp\temp.txt output=
 
  On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 2:05 PM, Dan Baughman dan.baugh...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
  
   Hi All,
  
  
   What is the easiest way in coldfusion to touch a file. IE. updates
 it's
   modified time to be now.
  
   I can think of a few hacks, but was looking for something super easy
 and
   graceful.
  
   Dan
  
  
  
 
 

 

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Re: Reading text files

2010-10-01 Thread Charlie Griefer

On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 10:14 AM, Larry Lyons larrycly...@gmail.com wrote:


 nope! :)
 
 
  Oh CF, is there anything you can't do?
 


 what about make coffee, and bring my slippers and the morning paper. If it
 could do that CF would truly rock.



Have you checked Riaforge?

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Re: List Sort help

2010-09-22 Thread Charlie Griefer

What version of CF?

On CF9, the following works:

cfset appVers = 3.6.1,3.6.5,3.6.3,3.6.10

cfoutput#appVers#br /#listSort( appVers, 'numeric', 'desc' )#/cfoutput


On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 9:26 AM, Tom Jones tjo...@acworld.com wrote:


 thanks,
 but I get an error saying cant convert 3.6.1 to numeric.

 tom

 ListSort should work:
 
 http://www.cfquickdocs.com/cf8/#ListSort
 
 Although you might need to use the text sort instead of numeric.
 
 
 
 andy
 
 Hello,
 I have a lit of version numbers and I need to sort them in the right
 order.
 
 cfset appVers = 3.6.1,3.6.5,3.6.3,3.6.10
 
 How do I sort these so that they show in the right order starting with the
 highest first?
 
 Thanks,
 tom

 

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Re: List Sort help

2010-09-22 Thread Charlie Griefer

On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 2:25 PM, Leigh cfsearch...@yahoo.com wrote:


  On CF9, the following works:

 Does it *really* work .. or just seem to? I cannot test it at the moment,
 but I would not have expected either sort to yield the desired results.


What would be the difference between *really* working and just seeming to?

I output the listSorted()'d values, they looked to be sorted.  So it seems
to.  As to whether or not it *really* works, I will admit that I hadn't had
a full cup of coffee when testing.  But I agree with you... I was more
surprised that it seemed to have worked than I would have been had it not.

FWIW, sorting by text did not work.  Well, it worked as one might have
expected it to (putting 3.6.10 and 3.6.1 next to each other), but not in the
way that the OP was looking for it to work.

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Re: List Sort help

2010-09-22 Thread Charlie Griefer

On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 3:16 PM, Leigh cfsearch...@yahoo.com wrote:


  What would be the difference between *really* working and
  just seeming to?

 For me ... more testing and more coffee ;-) Specifically with a greater
 range of values, such as version numbers before and after the 3.x.x range.


OK you twisted my arm into indulging in another cup of coffee (mmm
coffee).  You're correct.  It only seemed to work with the originally
given values.

Changing the list to: cfset appVers =
10.2.4,3.6.1,3.6.5,3.6.3,3.6.10,1.2.5

Resulted in a sorted list of: 3.6.1, 3.6.3, 10.2.4, 1.2.5, 3.6.5, 3.6.10



  I was more
  surprised that it seemed to have worked than I would have

 Exactly, and that is why I am suspicious.  I was not expecting text to
 work at all, for obvious reasons. Neither was I expecting numeric to work
 because values like 3.6.1 are not numeric. At least not in the strict sense.
 Hence my reluctance to say it it works


CF -is- treating these like some sort of numeric value tho... because if I
added a value like 10.2.5.4 to the original list, a numeric listSort fails
saying a non-numeric value was found.  So CF sees x.x.x as a valid numeric
value, but apparently not base 10 based on the sorted result above.

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Re: Looping through arrays with structures

2010-09-17 Thread Charlie Griefer

He didn't use the array attribute.  He used the exact same index loop that
you did (from=1 to=#arrayLen(myArray)#).

On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 6:56 PM, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.auwrote:


 You can't be serious asking that sort of question, the array Attribute was
 introduced in ColdFusion 8. So that means people who are still running
 ColdFusion 5 - 7 will not be able to use that code.

 Regards,
 Andrew Scott
 http://www.andyscott.id.au/


  -Original Message-
  From: Michael Grant [mailto:mgr...@modus.bz]
  Sent: Saturday, 18 September 2010 11:09 AM
  To: cf-talk
  Subject: Re: Looping through arrays with structures
 
 
  What version of cf won't my code work in?
 


 

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Re: OOP Principles question

2010-08-04 Thread Charlie Griefer

On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 3:22 AM, Scott Stewart sstwebwo...@bellsouth.netwrote:


 I understand the black box principle of CFC's, make sure that your cfc's
 can stand on their own as black boxes. When doing OOP based development,
 does this paradigm

 extend to  non-cfc ColdFusion files, IE: display and action pages.


I think the concept of modularity and code reuse extends beyond OO.  In
views, when you find yourself reusing code, you throw it into an include.
 If it needs attributes passed in, you throw it into a custom tag.

There's nothing that I think is particularly OO about it... it's just about
working smarter and not harder :)

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Need a west coast (US) based CF host

2010-07-29 Thread Charlie Griefer

Hey all...

I know this topic (can somebody recommend a CF host) comes up
frequently... I hate to bring it up again, but I must :)

I have a client that needs to be on shared hosting (they don't have the
funds for VPS, unfortunately) on a server with the clock set to PST.
 They're a company that's physically based in CA... recently moved hosts to
an east-coast based company, and now timestamps are off by 3 hours when they
add events.

According to the previous developer, they're using a calendaring system
(specifically, a particular version of a calendaring system) that isn't set
up to handle time zone differences.  He's told me that trying to update the
code to handle this would open a whole new can of worms.

I've explored the options, and the path of least resistance seems to be to
relocate the site to a server based on the west coast.  Or at the very
least, a server whose clock is set to PST.

A quick google turned up Illuminated Hosting (
http://www.illuminatedhosting.com/), but I'm not familiar with them.  Does
anybody know of this company?  Or of any others that have servers set to
pacific time?

Thanks!
Charlie

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Re: Need a west coast (US) based CF host

2010-07-29 Thread Charlie Griefer

Hey Scott:

Hmm... not sure that the current site will run under Railo.  Also, their
current database is SQL Server (I probably should have mentioned that).
 Looks like Alurium is exclusively Railo/mySQL (?)

Thanks,
Charlie

On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 12:12 PM, Scott Stewart
webmas...@sstwebworks.comwrote:


 Charlie,

 I think Alurium is located on the West Coast, plus they're cheap and
 you can run CFML (Railo)
 http://www.alurium.com

 On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 3:09 PM, Charlie Griefer
 charlie.grie...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Hey all...
 
  I know this topic (can somebody recommend a CF host) comes up
  frequently... I hate to bring it up again, but I must :)
 
  I have a client that needs to be on shared hosting (they don't have the
  funds for VPS, unfortunately) on a server with the clock set to PST.
   They're a company that's physically based in CA... recently moved hosts
 to
  an east-coast based company, and now timestamps are off by 3 hours when
 they
  add events.
 
  According to the previous developer, they're using a calendaring system
  (specifically, a particular version of a calendaring system) that isn't
 set
  up to handle time zone differences.  He's told me that trying to update
 the
  code to handle this would open a whole new can of worms.
 
  I've explored the options, and the path of least resistance seems to be
 to
  relocate the site to a server based on the west coast.  Or at the very
  least, a server whose clock is set to PST.
 
  A quick google turned up Illuminated Hosting (
  http://www.illuminatedhosting.com/), but I'm not familiar with them.
  Does
  anybody know of this company?  Or of any others that have servers set to
  pacific time?
 
  Thanks!
  Charlie
 
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Re: Need a west coast (US) based CF host

2010-07-29 Thread Charlie Griefer

You'd think, right? :)

I haven't even looked at the code yet.  Just came onto this project last
nite.  But the previous developer is a friend and I trust what he says.  He
wrote the current site, and he told me in no uncertain terms that the time
zone issue would not be even remotely easy to remedy via code.

I don't know why, exactly, but I trust what I've been told.

At some point I'm sure I'll dig into the code and find out.  But for now, it
looks like moving hosts will be the path of least resistance.

On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 12:26 PM, Eric Cobb cft...@ecartech.com wrote:


 Now() + 3 shouldn't be that hard to implement.  ;)   (assuming all of
 the date/time stamps are being entered via CFML instead of the DB itself)

 Just a note, Railo allows you specify the time zone for each site, so if
 you want to use a Railo host, it doesn't matter where they're physically
 located.  Your site can have it's own time zone independent of the
 server time zone. (again, assuming all of the date/time stamps are being
 entered via CFML instead of the DB itself)

 Thanks,

 Eric Cobb
 ECAR Technologies, LLC
 http://www.ecartech.com
 http://www.cfgears.com



 Charlie Griefer wrote:
  Hey all...
 
  I know this topic (can somebody recommend a CF host) comes up
  frequently... I hate to bring it up again, but I must :)
 
  I have a client that needs to be on shared hosting (they don't have the
  funds for VPS, unfortunately) on a server with the clock set to PST.
   They're a company that's physically based in CA... recently moved hosts
 to
  an east-coast based company, and now timestamps are off by 3 hours when
 they
  add events.
 
  According to the previous developer, they're using a calendaring system
  (specifically, a particular version of a calendaring system) that isn't
 set
  up to handle time zone differences.  He's told me that trying to update
 the
  code to handle this would open a whole new can of worms.
 
  I've explored the options, and the path of least resistance seems to be
 to
  relocate the site to a server based on the west coast.  Or at the very
  least, a server whose clock is set to PST.
 
  A quick google turned up Illuminated Hosting (
  http://www.illuminatedhosting.com/), but I'm not familiar with them.
  Does
  anybody know of this company?  Or of any others that have servers set to
  pacific time?
 
  Thanks!
  Charlie
 
 


 

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Re: Need a west coast (US) based CF host

2010-07-29 Thread Charlie Griefer

Nothing against Railo.  My main project right now is a Railo site (altho
we're keeping it CF9 compatible) with a mySQL database.  Works a treat.

I just don't know this other site well enough to be able to say, yeah,
let's jump over to Railo and convert your MS SQL database to mySQL :)
 There's also a flex-based admin area and I'm not sure how well that would
work.

At this point in time... probably not something that the client would want
to undertake (all of the UAT that would be necessary to ensure that all
facets of the site still function properly).  They're a small non-profit and
I don't think they have the manpower to even do that, nor do I think they'd
want to pay me to take that on.

Appreciate the feedback tho.  I'd heard Alurium's name mentioned before.
 Their prices do look appealing.  Just not a good fit for this particular
client right now :\

On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 12:40 PM, Scott Stewart
webmas...@sstwebworks.comwrote:


 Charlie, I think they are exclusively MySQL... I ported over an
 implementation of blogCFM and it works fine, Railo's pretty complete
 as far as tag support goes..

 On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 3:29 PM, Charlie Griefer
 charlie.grie...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Hey Scott:
 
  Hmm... not sure that the current site will run under Railo.  Also, their
  current database is SQL Server (I probably should have mentioned that).
   Looks like Alurium is exclusively Railo/mySQL (?)
 
  Thanks,
  Charlie
 
  On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 12:12 PM, Scott Stewart
  webmas...@sstwebworks.comwrote:
 
 
  Charlie,
 
  I think Alurium is located on the West Coast, plus they're cheap and
  you can run CFML (Railo)
  http://www.alurium.com
 
  On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 3:09 PM, Charlie Griefer
  charlie.grie...@gmail.com wrote:
  
   Hey all...
  
   I know this topic (can somebody recommend a CF host) comes up
   frequently... I hate to bring it up again, but I must :)
  
   I have a client that needs to be on shared hosting (they don't have
 the
   funds for VPS, unfortunately) on a server with the clock set to PST.
They're a company that's physically based in CA... recently moved
 hosts
  to
   an east-coast based company, and now timestamps are off by 3 hours
 when
  they
   add events.
  
   According to the previous developer, they're using a calendaring
 system
   (specifically, a particular version of a calendaring system) that
 isn't
  set
   up to handle time zone differences.  He's told me that trying to
 update
  the
   code to handle this would open a whole new can of worms.
  
   I've explored the options, and the path of least resistance seems to
 be
  to
   relocate the site to a server based on the west coast.  Or at the very
   least, a server whose clock is set to PST.
  
   A quick google turned up Illuminated Hosting (
   http://www.illuminatedhosting.com/), but I'm not familiar with them.
   Does
   anybody know of this company?  Or of any others that have servers set
 to
   pacific time?
  
   Thanks!
   Charlie
  
   --
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   http://charlie.griefer.com/
  
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 my
   wife. And I wish you my kind of success.
  
  
  
 
 
 
 

 

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Re: Need a west coast (US) based CF host

2010-07-29 Thread Charlie Griefer

Hey Andy:

I ran that past the previous developer and he said he thinks that could
work.

I'll run it past the client and see if they want to invest the time in me
identifying which fields would need the trigger, or if they'd rather just
move the site and be done with it :)

Thanks for the suggestion.

On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 12:58 PM, Andy Matthews li...@commadelimited.comwrote:


 Can I throw out a suggestion?

 Consider a trigger on the database that updates a new record and changes
 it's timestamp when it's inserted or updated? Then you don't need to
 migrate.


 andy

 -Original Message-
 From: Charlie Griefer [mailto:charlie.grie...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 2:52 PM
 To: cf-talk
 Subject: Re: Need a west coast (US) based CF host


 Nothing against Railo.  My main project right now is a Railo site (altho
 we're keeping it CF9 compatible) with a mySQL database.  Works a treat.

 I just don't know this other site well enough to be able to say, yeah,
 let's jump over to Railo and convert your MS SQL database to mySQL :)
 There's also a flex-based admin area and I'm not sure how well that would
 work.

 At this point in time... probably not something that the client would want
 to undertake (all of the UAT that would be necessary to ensure that all
 facets of the site still function properly).  They're a small non-profit
 and
 I don't think they have the manpower to even do that, nor do I think they'd
 want to pay me to take that on.

 Appreciate the feedback tho.  I'd heard Alurium's name mentioned before.
  Their prices do look appealing.  Just not a good fit for this particular
 client right now :\

 On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 12:40 PM, Scott Stewart
 webmas...@sstwebworks.comwrote:

 
  Charlie, I think they are exclusively MySQL... I ported over an
  implementation of blogCFM and it works fine, Railo's pretty complete
  as far as tag support goes..
 
  On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 3:29 PM, Charlie Griefer
  charlie.grie...@gmail.com wrote:
  
   Hey Scott:
  
   Hmm... not sure that the current site will run under Railo.  Also,
   their current database is SQL Server (I probably should have mentioned
 that).
Looks like Alurium is exclusively Railo/mySQL (?)
  
   Thanks,
   Charlie
  
   On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 12:12 PM, Scott Stewart
   webmas...@sstwebworks.comwrote:
  
  
   Charlie,
  
   I think Alurium is located on the West Coast, plus they're cheap
   and you can run CFML (Railo) http://www.alurium.com
  
   On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 3:09 PM, Charlie Griefer
   charlie.grie...@gmail.com wrote:
   
Hey all...
   
I know this topic (can somebody recommend a CF host) comes up
frequently... I hate to bring it up again, but I must :)
   
I have a client that needs to be on shared hosting (they don't
have
  the
funds for VPS, unfortunately) on a server with the clock set to PST.
 They're a company that's physically based in CA... recently
moved
  hosts
   to
an east-coast based company, and now timestamps are off by 3
hours
  when
   they
add events.
   
According to the previous developer, they're using a calendaring
  system
(specifically, a particular version of a calendaring system) that
  isn't
   set
up to handle time zone differences.  He's told me that trying to
  update
   the
code to handle this would open a whole new can of worms.
   
I've explored the options, and the path of least resistance seems
to
  be
   to
relocate the site to a server based on the west coast.  Or at the
very least, a server whose clock is set to PST.
   
A quick google turned up Illuminated Hosting (
http://www.illuminatedhosting.com/), but I'm not familiar with
 them.
Does
anybody know of this company?  Or of any others that have servers
set
  to
pacific time?
   
Thanks!
Charlie
   
--
Charlie Griefer
http://charlie.griefer.com/
   
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love
  my
wife. And I wish you my kind of success.
   
   
   
  
  
  
  
 
 



 

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Re: Need a west coast (US) based CF host

2010-07-29 Thread Charlie Griefer

I -think- it's 2k8, but based on my discussion with the previous developer,
I'm not sure database tweaks are going to do it.

I've pitched Andy's trigger idea to the client.  Still waiting to hear
back...

On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 6:55 PM, Maureen mamamaur...@gmail.com wrote:


 Which version of SQL Server, because timezone data is handled
 differently between 2005 and 2008, and if it is 2008 you could likely
 fix this issue with some database tweeks.

 On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 12:29 PM, Charlie Griefer
 charlie.grie...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Hey Scott:
 
  Hmm... not sure that the current site will run under Railo.  Also, their
  current database is SQL Server (I probably should have mentioned that).
   Looks like Alurium is exclusively Railo/mySQL (

 

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Re: Need a west coast (US) based CF host

2010-07-29 Thread Charlie Griefer

Mike:

The current host has severs on east coast time as well as GMT.
 Unfortunately, the app is architected in such a way that it can't handle
timezone offsets, whether it's east coast or GMT... it expects that the time
entered is going to be the time displayed :\

On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 7:16 PM, Mike Kear afpwebwo...@gmail.com wrote:


 I would have thought most hosting companies would have their servers set to
 UTC ( or Greenwich Mean Time) . Is that not true?

 I have servers in California, but ours are on UTC so we can move them from
 place to place if we choose and it makes no difference to the code.


 Cheers
 Mike Kear
 Windsor, NSW, Australia
 Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer
 AFP Webworks
 http://afpwebworks.com
 ColdFusion 9 Enterprise, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month




 On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 12:02 PM, Charlie Griefer 
 charlie.grie...@gmail.com
  wrote:

 
  I -think- it's 2k8, but based on my discussion with the previous
 developer,
  I'm not sure database tweaks are going to do it.
 
  I've pitched Andy's trigger idea to the client.  Still waiting to hear
  back...
 
  On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 6:55 PM, Maureen mamamaur...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  
   Which version of SQL Server, because timezone data is handled
   differently between 2005 and 2008, and if it is 2008 you could likely
   fix this issue with some database tweeks.
  
   On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 12:29 PM, Charlie Griefer
   charlie.grie...@gmail.com wrote:
   
Hey Scott:
   
Hmm... not sure that the current site will run under Railo.  Also,
  their
current database is SQL Server (I probably should have mentioned
 that).
 Looks like Alurium is exclusively Railo/mySQL (
  
  
 
 

 

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Re: Regex Help

2010-07-26 Thread Charlie Griefer

rereplace( myvar, '-+', '-', 'all' )

On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 10:59 AM, Robert Harrison 
rob...@austin-williams.com wrote:


 I want to replace any occurrence of multiple -- in string so the entire
 string only contains one - in a row after filtering.

 Something like this does (sort of):

#Replacelist(#mayvar#,-,,---,--,-,-,-,-)#

 But with regex more like:

#ReReplace(#myvar#,--,-,ALL)#

 How do I write a reg to change all multiple -- to result in only one -?

 Thanks




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Re: Regex Help

2010-07-26 Thread Charlie Griefer

troublemaker :D

On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 12:02 PM, Andy Matthews li...@commadelimited.comwrote:


 http://www.cftagstore.com/tags/cfreextract.cfm

 :)

 -Original Message-
 From: Robert Harrison [mailto:rob...@austin-williams.com]
 Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 1:00 PM
 To: cf-talk
 Subject: Regex Help


 I want to replace any occurrence of multiple -- in string so the entire
 string only contains one - in a row after filtering.

 Something like this does (sort of):

#Replacelist(#mayvar#,-,,---,--,-,-,-,-)#

 But with regex more like:

#ReReplace(#myvar#,--,-,ALL)#

 How do I write a reg to change all multiple -- to result in only one -?

 Thanks




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 Austin  Williams
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Re: Extracting part of a string (part 2)

2010-07-20 Thread Charlie Griefer

For that specific string, \$(\S+) seems to work.  The \S is any character
that is not a whitespace character, so it'd work for $400.01 as well.
 \$(\w+) should also return the same result.

On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 8:24 AM, Che Vilnonis ch...@asitv.com wrote:


 I also have a regex I can't seem to get right and could you some help.
 Take the following string... buick 322 engine (76023) $400 (dallas)

 How would I extract just the price ($400) without the dollar sign?

 TIA, Che



 

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Re: Best conference?

2010-07-13 Thread Charlie Griefer

On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 1:25 PM, Andrew Clarke s...@clarke.ca wrote:


 I posted a similar question on cf-community a week or two ago, but it sort
 of got buried and only got one response (thanks ** Private ** for your
 response).

 I understand this is probably a loaded question, but what are peoples'
 opinions on the best conference to attend?  I've been developing
 ColdFusion apps for about 13 years now and have most of the features that
 have been around for a while down pretty well.  However, I have only one
 client using CF8, and am just in the process of installing CF9 for my first
 client right now.  I'd love to especially learn how people are using some of
 the new features in CF9, as well as Railo.


They've all got their pros and cons.

I think CFUnited has the widest variety of content (from beginner to
somewhat advanced), and it's certainly one of the biggest CF-based
conferences (probably second only to MAX).  Lots of networking and good
times with friends.

Based on what you've said, I'd look at cf.Objective().  It's a smaller
conference with more advanced topics, and probably more that you'd find
relevant.

While conferences like NCDevCon may feature Flash/Flex etc, you shouldn't
let that dissuade you.  As long as there are enough sessions specific to
what you want to learn, doesn't really matter how many other sessions there
might be, or how off-topic they are.  And as far as NCDevCon goes, you
can't beat the price.

IMO, regardless of which one you may choose to attend, it'll be worthwhile.
 Of the conferences that I've been fortunate enough to get to (CFUnited,
cf.Objective(), and MAX), it's evident that the folks behind them make every
effort to ensure that it's both a valuable and fun experience.


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Re: ordering by lowest price (across two columns)

2010-07-05 Thread Charlie Griefer

On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 1:09 PM, Mike Little m...@nzsolutions.co.nz wrote:


 hi guys, slightly off-topic...

 my product table contains normalprice and saleprice (not really named this
 but as an example). i wish to give the customer the ability to order by
 lowest to highest price taking into account both the normal and sale price.

 not quite sure how to achieve this using an efficient mysql query.


I'm no SQL guru (as the SQL gurus that I've worked with will tell you), but
off the top of my head, a CASE statement that compares saleprice and
normalprice, and sets a column based on the lowest one:

SELECT
 name,
 description,
 normalprice,
 saleprice,
 CASE
  WHEN normalprice  saleprice THEN normalprice
  ELSE saleprice
 END AS orderbyprice
FROM
 tablename
ORDER BY
 orderbyprice

untested... but something like that?

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Re: CF Shopping carts

2010-06-29 Thread Charlie Griefer

No, the fact that it's not elitist makes it not elitist.

Dave's analogy about the auto mechanic and the tools was spot-on (as per
usual).  If you want to do a job, you're expected to have the tools to do
the job.

I also agree 100% with what many have said about this particular client.
 I've dealt with those toxic clients before, because like yourself, I
couldn't afford to turn anybody away.  I learned right quick that often,
it's better (and more profitable) to -not- take on certain clients.  I can
virtually assure you that things with this particular client are not going
to end well.  Been there, done that.  It's never ended well.

I feel for your situation.  We just made a move as well, and we're hurting
from it.  I'm also freelancing right now and I definitely feel the pressure
to put food on our table.  We're a single income family of 5, and it's
definitely challenging at times.  But the fact of the matter remains... it's
not an elitist attitude to expect that somebody who wants to perform a
particular job will have, or be able to obtain, the tools necessary.

In all sincerity, I wish you the best of luck and hope things work out in
the end.  But sniping at folks who are only trying to offer assistance, even
if you don't agree with their perspective, isn't going to get you out of the
hole any faster.  If anything, it'll only make it worse :\

On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 9:38 AM, Eric Roberts 
ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote:


 Actually, I don’t want to do freelance work, but I am forced to do so.  And
 just because you share his attitude doesn't make it not elitist.

 -Original Message-
 From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com]
 Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 11:15 AM
 To: cf-talk
 Subject: Re: CF Shopping carts


  I pushed that...he doesn't like PayPal for some reason...he is under the
  impression that people don't like it.   Not something that I have ever
  heard...but he has that stuck in his head. I have suggested several other
  free options.  It's not decision unfortunately.  I even suggested that he
  use café press for now until; he gets some sales (He wants to do a
 t-shirt
  site...I questioned whether or not this would even take off as he would
 be
 a
  really small fish in a huge ocean of t-shirt sites).  He insists on doing
  his own site...so finding a good cart to integrate into this that he can
  afford is the difficulty...which is why I asked here and instead of
 getting
  advice from folks like Sean, I was told that if I can't afford the carts
 out
  there for 200, I shouldn't even be a developer.  So if you really want to
  point a finger, I was just defending myself.

 This is all so screwed up, it's not even wrong.

 1. $200 for any software development product is on the extreme low-end
 of the scale. If you can't afford to buy the tools you need to do a
 job, you shouldn't do the job. This doesn't reflect on your skills as
 a developer, etc, it's just a fact of life. That's all that Sean was
 saying, and he's absolutely right, and you're absolutely wrong to
 label it as elitist BS. There's a cost of entry into any field that
 goes beyond your own skills. If you want to be a freelance programmer,
 you have to buy a certain amount of stuff, like a computer. If you
 want to be a car mechanic, you have to buy tools. Etc, etc, etc. So, I
 point the finger at you for mischaracterizing Sean's response. I'm
 sorry you don't have the money you need to do this job, but there you
 go. And, you have a history of doing this with Sean specifically, and
 it's out of line, and I think you should stop.

 2. You're working for nothing for a client that's going to make
 nothing. You have bigger problems than the cost of an ecommerce
 package. If your client wants specific functionality that's in a COTS
 package, he needs to buy the package, not you. If it's too rich for
 his taste, that's his problem, not yours. But you're just wasting your
 time doing this work. Clients like this, who aren't willing to pay for
 what they want, or can't pay for what they want, they're toxic and you
 should avoid them. This guy wants Amazon functionality on a Paypal
 budget, and you're not going to be able to make him happy, which leads
 to ...

 3. You're using the wrong tools for the job. If you want to do
 low-margin work, you need to use low-margin tools. You know, that
 might mean PHP, because there's a much larger FOSS ecosystem around
 PHP than CF. CF simply has never really aimed at that market. Frankly,
 if I were you and I wanted to go after that range of clients, I'd drop
 CF like a stone. Not because PHP is better, of course, and I wouldn't
 like it, but it makes sense in that market.

 I'm sorry for being harsh, if you perceive this as harsh, but the
 facts are what they are. I do wish you good luck in your future
 development endeavors, though.

 Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
 http://www.figleaf.com/
 http://training.figleaf.com/

 Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small 

Re: Facebook Connect and coldfusion

2010-06-23 Thread Charlie Griefer

Reading between the lines, I think Jeff might want you to share some code :)

On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 10:47 AM, Jeff Gladnick jeff.gladn...@gmail.comwrote:


 Kris,

 Would you be willing to share some code?  I'm having a hell of a time
 interfacing with the API


 We're using FBConnect for a site in development now. It works fine, no
 problem. Except when FB does something stupid and breaks the API.
 Which happens every couple of weeks.
 
 Cheers,
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Re: php.org is written in ColdFusion

2010-06-21 Thread Charlie Griefer

True, but still kinda have to appreciate the irony :)

On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 1:52 PM, Ben Forta b...@forta.com wrote:


 Does not seem to be a valid site, more of a traffic troll, I think. :-(


 -Original Message-
 From: Andy Allan [mailto:andy.al...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 4:49 PM
 To: cf-talk
 Subject: Re: php.org is written in ColdFusion


 It's just a resource site sitting on a CF shared host.

 Now if it was php.net that was running on ColdFusion, that would be
 something to get interested in.

 Andy

 On 21 June 2010 21:15, Justin Scott jscott-li...@gravityfree.com wrote:
 
  http://php.org/ appears to be written completely in ColdFusion.
 
  Looks like one of those generic directory/information sites where
  someone pulled a bunch of stuff off Wikipedia and embedded Google ads
  to generate revenue.  There's likely 1,000 other sites running on the
  same platform and has very little to do with promoting PHP outside of
 getting some ad clicks.
 
  A reverse IP check at www.yougetsignal.com shows a whole bunch of
  these types of sites and other questionable material hosted on the same
 IP
 block.
  They all appear to be CF as well.
 
 
  -Justin
 
 
 
 



 

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Re: CF9 Developer Edition - IP Addresses

2010-06-16 Thread Charlie Griefer

On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 6:52 AM, Paul Alkema paulalkemadesi...@gmail.comwrote:


 Does anyone know how to edit the allowed allocated IP addresses for the CF9
 developer edition license?


AFAIK, not configurable.  The allowed addresses are 127.0.0.1, and whatever
the first 2 addresses that hit the server are.

You can reset them by restarting the CF service, but you can't configure
which 2 external addresses they are.

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Re: Comma delimited list

2010-05-28 Thread Charlie Griefer

On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 7:37 PM, Bill Hartley b...@whdservices.com wrote:


 I am trying to display feature codes from a comma delimited list inside a
 database.  Here is my setup:

 Table: Listings has a column called FEATURE_CODES and example of the data
 in this column is B01,E09,E20,G12,J07

 Then I have another table inside the same database called FeatureCodes the
 data inside this table is arranged
 FEATURE_CODE FEATURE_DESCRIPTION
 B01  Sold As Is
 E09  Frame and Stucco
 and so on
 I need to display the feature description from the FeatureCodes table on
 the display page by reading the feature_codes from the listing table


Agreed with the previous responses.  If it's at all an option, I'd normalize
the table and get rid of the comma-delimited lists.

If you can't do that, another route could be using a query or sub-query with
IN:

assuming variable codes is 'B01,E09,E20,G12,J07'...

first you'll want to qualify the list elements with single quotes:

cfset codes = listQualify( codes , ' )  // note that's a single quote
enclosed in double-quotes

SELECT
 { columns }
FROM
 { tablename }
WHERE
 feature_code IN ( cfqueryparam value=#codes#
cfsqltype=cf_sql_varchar list=true /)

That, of course, assumes you can make two distinct queries (the first would
actually get the value assigned to the variable codes).  You may be able
to massage it into a subquery and do it all in one swell foop.  Something
like:

SELECT
 { columns }
FROM
 { tablename }
WHERE
 feature_code IN ( SELECT feature_codes FROM listings WHERE { where
condition here } )

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Re: Need CF help- is anyone available

2010-05-25 Thread Charlie Griefer

You'd have a greater likelihood of having more sets of eyes on it (and thus
a greater likelihood of getting a solution) if you were to just post the
question/code to the list.

IMO, of course :)

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 Is there anyone who could take a look
 Been racking my head on this all day

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Re: Coldfusion 9 Windows vs Linux

2010-05-23 Thread Charlie Griefer

On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 11:50 AM, Beru beru.b...@gmail.com wrote:


  Sad...


On 23 May 2010 20:41, Wil Genovese jugg...@trunkful.com wrote:


  THREE CHEERS FOR THAT



Now that both sides have been equally represented, how about we move on? :)

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Re: idea paint

2010-05-22 Thread Charlie Griefer

On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 5:14 PM, Matt Quackenbush quackfu...@gmail.comwrote:


 It's called spam.


Nah, Brian's a CF developer.  I suspect he was just trying to share what he
thought was kind of a cool idea.

Might have been less misunderstood if he prefaced the link with, hey, this
is kind of a cool idea... :)

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Re: Is there a way to do an arbitrary sort order on a specific cell?

2010-05-14 Thread Charlie Griefer

case statement in the ORDER BY should work.

See http://www.devx.com/tips/Tip/17288

On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 9:24 AM, Les Mizzell lesm...@bellsouth.net wrote:


 Is there a way to do an arbitrary sort order on a specific cell?

 For example, let's say I have a cell colour.
 Possible values:
 1. blue
 2. cyan
 3. green
 4. orange
 5. red
 6. silver

 I want to sort on this cell, BUT, I want the order to show all

 red first
 blue second
 green third
  ... blah ...


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Re: Help With CF8 Regular Expressions

2010-05-05 Thread Charlie Griefer

On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 9:34 PM, denstar valliants...@gmail.com wrote:


 On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 11:46 PM, James Holmes wrote:
 
  I hope you have your flameproof suit handy :-P

 Ah, the cleansing fire of a good library battle.  :)

 It's hot in here.  Normally I sleep in this thing, but if nobody's
 interested, the suit is going on the hook.



Oh dear God please let him be wearing something under that suit...

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Re: Remove multple EXTRA spaces from string

2010-04-23 Thread Charlie Griefer

On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 1:26 PM, UXB Internet denn...@uxbinternet.comwrote:


 I am having a senior moment and can't for the life of me figure this dumb
 thing out.  I am trying to remove all extra spaces from a string but
 leave
 the single space there.  Example:
 var=this has   many   extra  spaces and return with this has
 many extra spaces


var myString = this has many extra   spaces;

myString = rereplace( myString , \s+ , ' ' , 'all' );

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Re: Bind / CFC Question

2010-04-13 Thread Charlie Griefer

I haven't done much with binding, but can possibly offer some advice...

Presumably, you have an existing method that returns a query with all of the
columns from the table.

You can go one of two routes that I can think of...

1) create a new method that only queries the table for the single column
you're looking for.  You can even get creative and pass in the column name
as an argument so that you can return a specific column.

2) create a new remote method that calls your existing method (the one that
returns all columns), and within that new method, do a QoQ (or if the query
only returns a single record, you can do myQuery.columnName[1] and return
that.  The only drawback here is that you're still running a SELECT * when
all you really need is one specific column.  But if you're only returning a
single record, the overhead shouldn't be noticeable.

On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 11:13 AM, Chad Baloga cbal...@gmail.com wrote:


 I am fairly new to CFCs and binding and have only used query returns with 1
 column. I was wondering how to bind to a cfinput with a certain column when
 my query is selecting * from a table.

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Re: Regex to remove script and style blocks

2010-04-07 Thread Charlie Griefer

See
http://help.adobe.com/en_US/ColdFusion/9.0/Developing/WSc3ff6d0ea77859461172e0811cbec0a38f-7ffb.html
for
the flag to trigger multi-line capabilities in regex.

(?m)script\b[^]*.*?/script

should do it.

cfset newString = rereplaceNoCase( string ,
'(?m)script\b[^]*.*?/script' , '' , 'all' )

On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 9:29 PM, UXB Internet denn...@uxbinternet.comwrote:


 I am at a loss as to how to structure a regex to remove a JavaScript block
 from a file using CF5.  What I am trying to do is remove the script and
 everything including and between /script. something like this:

 script language=JavaScript
!--

   JavaScript code here

// --
 /script

 I have tried this but it give me and error: Bad regular expression

 cfset Newstring = ReReplaceNoCase(string,script.*?.*?/script,,
 all)

 Assistance would be appreciated.


 Dennis Powers
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Re: test

2010-04-07 Thread Charlie Griefer

this one?

http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:332658

On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 7:07 AM, fun and learning funandlrnn...@gmail.comwrote:


 Hello,

 This is a a test message. My previous two posts are not displayed on house
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Re: CFDocs

2010-04-07 Thread Charlie Griefer

Not familiar with that site.

But you could always use http://www.cfquickdocs.com or http://cfmldocs.com/ ,
both of which contain CF9 docs

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 Does anyone know if the creator of cfdocs.org has plans to update the site
 to use the latest versions of CF Documentation
 It's still pointing to CF7'd documents


 

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Re: Joni Mitchell and Cold Fusion

2010-04-07 Thread Charlie Griefer

So there's no chance of -not- hosting it with GoDaddy?  'cuz I bet that'd
help a bit.

On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 1:22 PM, Les Irvin les.cft...@gmail.com wrote:


 Help me, I think I'm falling... here's an odd request for a certain
 individual.  Joni's official site is hosted on a GoDaddy server (don't
 ask) running CF8.  They keep shutting it down for overloading the
 server - asking me to streamline the code to avoid continued
 violations.  I'm sure my code sucks, but it's been on other servers
 without issue from those hosts.

 Would anyone out there, perhaps a Joni fan, volunteer to take a look
 at some code, shake their head in disgust at the awfulness of it, and
 help me rewrite inefficient sections?  This feels a bit like walking
 naked through a crowd, but hey

 In return, I'll put a link to whatever site you want in the footer of
 every page, and of course you'll have the satisfaction of helping out
 all the Joni fans across the globe.  The site gets about 2500 unique
 visitors a day.

 http://jonimitchell.com

 Thanks in advance,
 Les

 

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Re: using cfhttp

2010-04-06 Thread Charlie Griefer

On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 8:36 AM, Orlini, Robert rorl...@hwwilson.com wrote:


 Hello,

 Is there a way to use cfhttp to see if a site is down? Does it involve
 using #HTMLCodeFormat(cfhttp.FileContent)# to see if a 403 error is
 downloaded?


check the cfhttp.filestatus to see if it contains the string 200

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Re: using cfhttp

2010-04-06 Thread Charlie Griefer

d'oH!  yeah, cfhttp.statusCode.  not cfhttp.fileStatus.  :)

On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 8:41 AM, Kevin Pepperman chorno...@gmail.com wrote:


 Using cfhttp will return a cfhttp.statusCode, which if is 200 OK you know
 the URL has resolved correct.


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Re: using cfhttp

2010-04-06 Thread Charlie Griefer

On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 9:24 AM, Andy Matthews li...@commadelimited.comwrote:


 Additionally you can make the request a little lighter by just making a
 HEAD
 request instead of a get or post.

 cfhttp url=http://www.andymatthews.net; method=head/cfhttp

 It doesn't return the entire body of the site in the filecontent key.


Nice!  I did not know that.

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Re: smush.it

2010-04-01 Thread Charlie Griefer

On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 10:27 AM, Jeff Gladnick jeff.gladn...@gmail.comwrote:


 I just tried out Yahoo's smush.it for image compression.  Even on images
 that were HAND optmized in photoshop, this still knocked off another 5%.

 Has anyone used smush.it with coldfusion?  Is there a way to send images
 to the server and bring em back into you app?


http://developer.yahoo.com/yslow/smushit/faq.html#faq_api

IS THERE A *SMUSH.IT* API I CAN ACCESS SO THAT MY IMAGES ARE AUTOMATICALLY
SMUSHED WHEN THEY ARE PUBLISHED?

The API currently is not available for public use. We are working towards
making this publicly accessible .

I'd imagine that when/if they open up the public API, it should be easy
enough to do.

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Re: ColdFusion Builder Team is on Twitter

2010-04-01 Thread Charlie Griefer

On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 4:55 PM, Adrocknaphobia adrocknapho...@gmail.comwrote:


 Sorry for the change-up, but we've switched twitter accounts to @CFBuilder
 (donated by an awesome community member, Dale Fraser)!

 Follow us at: http://www.twitter.com/CFBuilder

 It only costs $299 to follow the @CFBuilder account, but we will retweet
 @Flash_Builder with no extra charge! ZING! (too soon?)


That's ridiculous.  You created that twitter account on top of Twitter's
existing infrastructure.  No way did you put the effort in to justify that
price.

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Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-30 Thread Charlie Griefer

Heh... I know I did my part to contribute to the spiraling thread of death,
but I agree.  We've long passed the point of diminishing returns here and
seem to be stuck in a loop.

Somebody... anybody... feel free to call me an asshole so Michael shuts down
the thread due to personal attacks :)

On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 10:25 AM, G Allen R Souliere 
al...@electricedgesystems.com wrote:


 Though I'm not a particularly religious man, AMEN!

 Roger Austin wrote:
  This whole discussion has gotten tedious and needs to go off-line.
  Adobe software has never been cheap. Acrobat, Photoshop, etc. People
  purchase the packages because they need them and have no other
  choices, or because they believe they are a good value for their
  situation.
 
  I don't plan on purchasing CFBuilder any time soon since I don't
  believe it is ready at version 1. I have been using CFEclipse
  lately and it does almost everything that I need. I may change
  my mind later when corporate IT allows us to use CF9. Or, maybe
  Josh Adams will convince me tonight at the TACFUG event in RTP.
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Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-30 Thread Charlie Griefer

On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 11:15 AM, denstar valliants...@gmail.com wrote:


 Leave it to Dave to reply with something helpful, vs. calling Charlie
 the scum-ridden afterbirth of a syphilistic-cow with hemorrhoids (I
 heard he has sex with goats, too!), or some such.


Oh ffs.  Y'know, you do something one time... ONE time  *sigh* :)

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Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-30 Thread Charlie Griefer

I don't think the overall number of CF developers matters.  CFBuilder isn't
really aimed at -every- CF developer (I don't think... this, of course, is
purely conjecture on my part).

Not too long ago, Ben F. blogged that only a relatively small number of CF
developers even use CFCs.  Let's say it's 20% (i think that's actually
higher than the % Ben had suggested).  So 80% of CF developers are 5
taggers.  They're not going to see the value in most of the features of CF
Builder.

So... I'd say the 2% might be pretty close to what they've actually
targeted.  And given that they may be targeting a very small percentage of
their user base, it wouldn't make sense to price it too low.

And since I got sucked back into the convo (I'm an asshole), I'll also say
that I don't agree with the assertion that Adobe thinks CF Builder is worth
$50.  I'd argue that they're bundling it at a discount and considering the
loss an investment in attempting to cross-promote between CF and Flex
communities.  If they convert 'x'% of Flex developers (who currently don't
use CF on the server side) to CF, the short-term loss turns into a long term
gain.

(again, IMO).


On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 2:40 PM, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.auwrote:


 No its not Dave.

 I think the proof will be in the pudding, Adobe has 800k ColdFusion
 developers. So that means if they have it priced right they should get
 around 40% plus buying the program.

 My forecast is that they will be lucky to reach 2% in sales of all those
 ColdFusion Developers.



 -Original Message-
 From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com]
 Sent: Wednesday, 31 March 2010 2:43 AM
 To: cf-talk
 Subject: Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!

 Is this really the first time you've encountered product bundling? Do
 you really think that the additional cost of a bundled product
 translates directly into the value of the product if sold separately?

 Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
 http://www.figleaf.com/
 http://training.figleaf.com/

 Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on
 GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized
 instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite.


 

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Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-23 Thread Charlie Griefer

On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 6:56 AM, Eric Cobb cft...@ecartech.com wrote:


 Charlie Griefer wrote:
 Bundling it with FlashBuilder may be their way of trying to increase the
 uptake of the language as a whole and thus ultimately sell more server
 licenses.  By doing this, they're potentially introducing CF to PHP
 developers, Java developers, etc.

 I have to say that I don't agree with that last statement.  FlashBuilder
 4 (Standard Edition) with CFBuilder costs $299, and FlashBuilder 4
 (Standard Edition) without CFBuilder costs $249.  So for an existing
 PHP/Flex developer who has no use for CF, do you think they're going to
 pay $299 to get an extra IDE for a language they don't use, or spend $50
 less and just get the IDE they need?


No, I think you're right in that scenario.  A Flex developer out to upgrade
to FlashBuilder -Standard- isn't going to go, Oh... I can spend an extra
$50 and buy ColdFusion Builder instead, which contains FlashBuilder.  Sure
:)

But the FlexBuilder 3 Professional folks who are going to upgrade to
FlashBuilder 4 are going to get ColdFusion Builder as part of that upgrade.
 They're the PHP developers, Java developers, etc to whom I was referring.

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Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-22 Thread Charlie Griefer

Yeah, assuming you have an interest in FlashBuilder.

There was no way Adobe was going to please everybody (well, not without
outright giving it away... which wouldn't have pleased the shareholders).

For those who are interested in FlashBuilder (and I'm one of 'em), this is a
pretty smokin' deal.  For those who aren't... I can definitely see their
point.

On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 10:13 AM, Jake Churchill reyna...@gmail.com wrote:


 It's bundled with FlashBuilder 4 which is nice.  That's actually a pretty
 decent price.

 On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 12:10 PM, Eric Roberts 
 ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote:

 
  299.00?  WTF?  What the heck is Adobe smoking?  Looks like its back to
  CFEclipse for me!
 
  Eric
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Adrocknaphobia [mailto:adrocknapho...@gmail.com]
  Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 11:46 AM
  To: cf-talk
  Subject: ColdFusion Builder Released!
 
 
  The subject says it all.
 
  If you haven't looked at ColdFusion Builder since the last public beta,
 you
  should check out the final release. There have been about 4 months of
  performance enhancements, bug fixes and tweaks since then. You can
 download
  a 60-day trial of ColdFusion Builder from Adobe.com.
 
  http://bit.ly/TryBolt
 
  -Adam
 
 
 
 
 

 

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Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-22 Thread Charlie Griefer

On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 10:17 AM, Eric Roberts 
ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote:


 Considering that I don't need flash...no it's not.  If flash is the cost,
 then they should offer a version without flash builder.  I think it is an
 outrageous price for a plugin.


That really depends on how much time it saves you.  I picked on 'em in the
cfeclipse list... but if oXygen can charge $350-$450 for a plugin that does
XML...

There will be people that think $299 is too much.  Had it been $199, or even
$99, I guarantee you there'd still be people who would have thought it was
too much.  As I said in my initial response... there's no way Adobe (or
anybody else) is going to please everybody.

If enough people are put off by the price tag, then Adobe won't have much of
a choice but to lower it.  Gotta sit back and see how it goes ;)

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Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-22 Thread Charlie Griefer

On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 10:36 AM, Justin Scott jscott-li...@gravityfree.com
 wrote:


  There was no way Adobe was going to please everybody
  (well, not without outright giving it away... which
  wouldn't have pleased the shareholders).

 Even if they gave it away it's still pretty much useless for my workflow.
  I
 need a lightweight editor which has some basic knowledge of ColdFusion and
 can open/edit/save files anywhere, not a full-blown IDE with integrated
 debugging support and a lock-in to their project model.  If I ever have a
 need for a full-on IDE then I would say $299 isn't so bad, but as it stands
 Adobe has made CF Builder pretty much impossible for me to use.


The fact that it doesn't fit your particular workflow also falls into the
There was no way Adobe was going to please everybody bucket :)

If you happen to be on a Mac, I'd highly recommend TextMate as that
lightweight editor which has some basic knowledge of ColdFusion. I've been
using it for a few months now, and I'm pretty happy with it overall.
 Definitely lightweight, and has bundles (plugins) for both ColdFusion and
Railo.

But hey... we digress.  This is the coming out party for CFBuilder!  So to
address your CFBuilder related points... I agree that $299 is not a bad
price.  It's a great price if you need FlashBuilder... but even if not... if
it makes you more productive for a few hours, you've recovered your
investment.

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Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-22 Thread Charlie Griefer

On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 10:40 AM, Casey Dougall 
ca...@uberwebsitesolutions.com wrote:


 On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 1:33 PM, mark m...@mdprofinish.com wrote:

 
  You guys are a bunch of whiners.  I don't know if I'll buy ColdFusion
  Builder yet, but if I do...$300 is cheap, for any software.  What do you
  guys want?!  Free?  How much work do you do for free?  Don't buy
 it...fine,
  but don't whine about $300.
 
 


 $329.95 for Microsoft Office... Now some say that's over priced but look at
 what you get...


For me personally, none of those products within the Office Suite are going
to make me money.  $299 on CFBuilder -and- FlashBuilder?  How long would it
take me to bang out either a CF site or a Flex site that would recover my
$299 investment?

To Mark's point... we use these tools to help us make money.  Yet there seem
to be a lot of people who get pretty indignant over the fact that we're
expected to pay money for these tools (as if they were magically conceived
by fairy dust and unicorn farts).

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Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-22 Thread Charlie Griefer

On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 10:59 AM, Eric Roberts 
ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote:


 The issue is that it is a plugin, not a full IDE...Eclipse already provides
 the IDE and that is free.  If this was a package that they developed on
 there own like DW...then that would be different.  Even so, they should be
 encouraging developers, since we are the ones doing their marketing work
 for
 them so that we will encourage our employers and clients to use CF.


I'm going to go ahead and disagree with the fact that it being a plugin for
an existing framework should have any bearing on the cost.

The cost has to do with Adobe being a publicly traded company needing to
generate revenue and hopefully post a profit.  The cost would therefore more
likely be based on the amount of effort (time/money) involved in developing
(research, planning, developing, testing, marketing) the product.

I build web sites on existing frameworks (Model-Glue or ColdBox).  I don't
charge less money.  I charge for the time I spend, and the rate is something
that I calculate that makes the time I spend working (and away from my
family) worth the effort.

By building it on top of Eclipse, Adobe is giving you the flexibility to
extend the IDE to fit your needs by installing any number of the hundreds of
existing plugins.  I think that's a good move for most (again, bearing in
mind you can't please everybody).

I also think their move to bundle CFBuilder with FlashBuilder -is-
encouraging developers.  It's encouraging me to make the foray into Flex,
which is something that I've wanted to do for a while now.  It will likely
also encourage Flex developers (who may be using PHP on the server) to take
a look at ColdFusion.  I get that it doesn't encourage you, and I'm
genuinely sorry to hear that.  Again tho, it falls into the bucket of ain't
gonna please everybody.

I think these types of discussions in general would be far more productive
if people would keep that in mind.  It may not work for you... but it may
very well work for a majority of others.  Saying, as Justin did, it doesn't
work for me is far less provoking than, man, Adobe WTF?  What are you guys
smoking?.

Again, if it doesn't work for you (and by you, I mean anybody who shares
your sentiment), and cfeclipse does... I'd suggest that you be grateful that
a project like cfeclipse exists.  It was suggested on their mailing list
that those who fit into that category maybe take some fo the $ that they're
-not- spending on CFBuilder and donate it to cfeclipse.  Or, as was also
suggested on their list, donate your time in helping out the project
(doesn't have to be with actually coding the IDE, but maintaining the web
site, etc).



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Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-22 Thread Charlie Griefer

On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 1:55 PM, Casey Dougall 
ca...@uberwebsitesolutions.com wrote:


 On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 4:49 PM, Ian Skinner h...@ilsweb.com wrote:

 
  On 3/22/2010 1:35 PM, Eric Nicholas Sweeney wrote:
   Amen Chad - - I would like to See Flex in there as well.
  
 
  Flash Builder is the new name of what used to be called 'Flex' Builder.
 
 

 Does Flash builder include Coldfusion Builder, I'm confused on that one...


The premium edition does.

Adobe Flash Builder 4 Premium Edition adds professional testing tools,
including profilers, network monitoring, and unit testing support, and
includes a license for Adobe ColdFusion® Builder™ software.

http://www.adobe.com/products/flex/buy/


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Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-22 Thread Charlie Griefer

You lost me, Jake :)

There is no edition of FlashBuilder that I see priced at $299.  There's
standard ($249), which does not include CFBuilder, and Premium, which is
priced at $699 and dies include CFBuilder.

On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 2:13 PM, Jake Churchill reyna...@gmail.com wrote:


 The standard edition does as well.  The one priced at $299.  There is one
 priced at $249 which does not include Coldfusion Builder

 On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 4:02 PM, Charlie Griefer
 charlie.grie...@gmail.comwrote:

 
  On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 1:55 PM, Casey Dougall 
  ca...@uberwebsitesolutions.com wrote:
 
  
   On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 4:49 PM, Ian Skinner h...@ilsweb.com wrote:
  
   
On 3/22/2010 1:35 PM, Eric Nicholas Sweeney wrote:
 Amen Chad - - I would like to See Flex in there as well.

   
Flash Builder is the new name of what used to be called 'Flex'
 Builder.
   
   
  
   Does Flash builder include Coldfusion Builder, I'm confused on that
  one...
 
 
  The premium edition does.
 
  Adobe Flash Builder 4 Premium Edition adds professional testing tools,
  including profilers, network monitoring, and unit testing support, and
  includes a license for Adobe ColdFusion® Builder™ software.
 
  http://www.adobe.com/products/flex/buy/
 
 
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  wife. And I wish you my kind of success.
 
 

 

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Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-22 Thread Charlie Griefer

Ah, that's the $699 Premium Edition.  The $299 is upgrade pricing.

On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 2:29 PM, Jake Churchill reyna...@gmail.com wrote:



 https://store1.adobe.com/cfusion/store/index.cfm?store=OLS-USview=ols_prodcategory=/Applications/FlashBuilderPremiumdistributionMethod=FULLnr=0#store=OLS-USloc=en_usview=ols_prodcategory=/Applications/FlashBuilderPremium

 On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 4:24 PM, Charlie Griefer
 charlie.grie...@gmail.comwrote:

 
  You lost me, Jake :)
 
  There is no edition of FlashBuilder that I see priced at $299.  There's
  standard ($249), which does not include CFBuilder, and Premium, which is
  priced at $699 and dies include CFBuilder.
 
  On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 2:13 PM, Jake Churchill reyna...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
  
   The standard edition does as well.  The one priced at $299.  There is
 one
   priced at $249 which does not include Coldfusion Builder
  
   On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 4:02 PM, Charlie Griefer
   charlie.grie...@gmail.comwrote:
  
   
On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 1:55 PM, Casey Dougall 
ca...@uberwebsitesolutions.com wrote:
   

 On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 4:49 PM, Ian Skinner h...@ilsweb.com
 wrote:

 
  On 3/22/2010 1:35 PM, Eric Nicholas Sweeney wrote:
   Amen Chad - - I would like to See Flex in there as well.
  
 
  Flash Builder is the new name of what used to be called 'Flex'
   Builder.
 
 

 Does Flash builder include Coldfusion Builder, I'm confused on that
one...
   
   
The premium edition does.
   
Adobe Flash Builder 4 Premium Edition adds professional testing
 tools,
including profilers, network monitoring, and unit testing support,
 and
includes a license for Adobe ColdFusion® Builder™ software.
   
http://www.adobe.com/products/flex/buy/
   
   
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  my
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Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-22 Thread Charlie Griefer

On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 2:28 PM, Mary Jo Sminkey mary...@cfwebstore.comwrote:


 The cost has to do with Adobe being a publicly traded company needing to
 generate revenue and hopefully post a profit.  The cost would therefore
 more
 likely be based on the amount of effort (time/money) involved in
 developing
 (research, planning, developing, testing, marketing) the product.

 A lot of us hoped they would see that selling it a lower price point would
 help to increase the uptake of the language as a whole and thus ultimately
 sell more server licenses. For a large company like Adobe, profit is what
 the company makes as a whole, not what one product alone brings in.
 Microsoft learned this a long time ago and has used free and low-priced
 items to increase their revenue in other areas, and it's certainly a large
 reason for their success.


Bundling it with FlashBuilder may be their way of trying to increase the
uptake of the language as a whole and thus ultimately sell more server
licenses.  By doing this, they're potentially introducing CF to PHP
developers, Java developers, etc.  Everyone who uses Flex but doesn't use CF
on the server side.

I'm not exactly sure that selling it at a lower price point would have the
same effect.  It'd appeal to those of us who currently use ColdFusion...
we'd conceivably be able to buy the product for $199 instead of $299.  Ok...
but I don't see where that would necessarily increase the uptake of the
language as a whole.

I also think their move to bundle CFBuilder with FlashBuilder -is-
 encouraging developers.  It's encouraging me to make the foray into Flex,
 which is something that I've wanted to do for a while now.

 Not if the price discourages me from even buying the product in the first
 place.


But you're already a ColdFusion developer.  If I wanted to buy FlexBuilder 3
last year, I'd have paid $299 (i think... it was certainly in that
neighborhood).  So we know that Flex developers are willing to pay that
amount.  They're going to pay the same thing this year, and get ColdFusion
Builder.  Adobe is pretty much giving it away to the Flex community in hopes
of doing what you say... increase the uptake of the language as a whole.

We CF folk.. we pay a little bit more than the $199 we hoped it would be,
and get FlashBuilder.  So not only is Adobe conceivably introducing CF to
other developers, but it's conceivably introducing Flex/FlashBuilder to us.

I'm sorry that people think $300 is too expensive.  I know that expensive
is a subjective term, and while some people can whip out their credit cards
and order a copy without a second thought, some of us will have to save up
for it.  But as has been pointed out... if you use the product for a year
(and it really shouldn't even take a year), how much time are you going to
save... how much more productive could you possibly be?

Maybe the answer is, not enough.  In which case... there are alternatives
(CFEclipse and others).  For me, I think it'd be enough (I'm currently using
TextMate on Mac as my IDE... so I don't really have a horse in this race, so
to speak).  I've used the beta of CFBuilder tho, and I can see where it'd
save me time.  I run multiple CF8 and CF9 instances on my dev machine.
 Generally one at a time... not having to jump out of the IDE, into
terminal, stop one service, start the next, back to the IDE... instead I can
just open up the servers pane in CFBuilder, stop one service, start the
other.  Code insight, extensible via writing extensions in CF (-not-
Java)... I think I'd make my $300 back in under a year, and probably end the
year being up a few bucks.

I get that it's not going to be for everybody.  It's not going to work for
everybody.  I just wish folks could be more pragmatic about it and say,
yeah, it doesn't work for me... but I can see where they're going with it.

Charlie


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Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-22 Thread Charlie Griefer

On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 2:50 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.comwrote:


 And that's all well and good.  If I could develop a plug-in for Eclipse,
 I'd try to sell it.  Making money is *not* evil.  Overcharging customers
 (which
 is the underlying issue driving people's comments, I believe) is...


They're selling CFBuilder -and- FlashBuilder for the price they used to
charge (just a year ago) for FlexBuilder (which is now FlashBuilder).

They're essentially saying, here... here's the product we sold last year,
at the price we sold it at.  Oh, and we're throwing in ColdFusion Builder.


And that would be overcharging how...?


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Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-22 Thread Charlie Griefer

On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 3:01 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.comwrote:

 And, again, Adobe is free to charge whatever they like, but it would be
 nice to feel like Adobe wanted to help it's community thrive by
 contributing
 to its success without always charging so much to enable that success.


But they're not charging so much.  They're effectively giving away an IDE
(you can think of it as giving FlashBuilder to CF developers or giving
CFBuilder to Flex developers).  In doing so they're cross-marketing and
stand to grow either the CF community or the Flex community or both, which
could in turn help either or both of the communities thrive.

I understand that this doesn't fit in well with what -you- need specifically
or what -you- want specifically.  That doesn't make it wrong.  I think
long-term this is the more effective strategy.  Releasing CFBuilder for $100
to the existing developers would make the existing developers happy
(kinda... I'm sure somebody would still complain).  But exactly would that
help its community thrive?

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Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-22 Thread Charlie Griefer

Oh, and to address the complaints about how this isn't helping the community
to grow or to thrive... it's free for educational purposes.  I think that
will go a lot further towards growing the community and helping it thrive
than it would be to give it away to existing developers.

Adobe may actually have given this some thought (gasp)! :)

On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 3:07 PM, Charlie Griefer
charlie.grie...@gmail.comwrote:

 On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 3:01 PM, Rick Faircloth 
 r...@whitestonemedia.comwrote:

 And, again, Adobe is free to charge whatever they like, but it would be
 nice to feel like Adobe wanted to help it's community thrive by
 contributing
 to its success without always charging so much to enable that success.


 But they're not charging so much.  They're effectively giving away an IDE
 (you can think of it as giving FlashBuilder to CF developers or giving
 CFBuilder to Flex developers).  In doing so they're cross-marketing and
 stand to grow either the CF community or the Flex community or both, which
 could in turn help either or both of the communities thrive.

 I understand that this doesn't fit in well with what -you- need
 specifically or what -you- want specifically.  That doesn't make it wrong.
  I think long-term this is the more effective strategy.  Releasing CFBuilder
 for $100 to the existing developers would make the existing developers happy
 (kinda... I'm sure somebody would still complain).  But exactly would that
 help its community thrive?

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Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-22 Thread Charlie Griefer

Which one was the rational one?  I missed it :D

On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 3:11 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.comwrote:


 The overcharging customers comment was more a reflection on the
 feelings that the $300 cost has generated, rather than a comment
 on actual intent or behavior.

 We've all been trying to have two arguments simultaneously...one
 rational and one subjective.  Tough to do...

 -Original Message-
 From: Josh Nathanson [mailto:p...@oakcitygraphics.com]
 Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 5:57 PM
 To: cf-talk
 Subject: RE: ColdFusion Builder Released!


 Strictly speaking, there's no such thing as overcharging customers.  If
 you think it costs too much, you don't buy it, or you find a cheaper
 product.  That's how the free market works.

 There are some exceptions to this, for example in the realm of health care,
 where you may need a prescription drug to stay alive.  But software
 definitely is not one of the exceptions.

 -- Josh



 -Original Message-
 From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com]
 Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 2:50 PM
 To: cf-talk
 Subject: RE: ColdFusion Builder Released!


 And that's all well and good.  If I could develop a plug-in for Eclipse,
 I'd try to sell it.  Making money is *not* evil.  Overcharging customers
 (which
 is the underlying issue driving people's comments, I believe) is...

 I hope Adobe had to pay a hefty licensing fee to the Eclipse Foundation
 to build on the platform...that would be great, to see Adobe contributing
 something to the community that feeds them...


 -Original Message-
 From: Raymond Camden [mailto:rcam...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 5:25 PM
 To: cf-talk
 Subject: Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!


 As just an FYI, I believe commercial products on Eclipse are part of their
 plan:

 http://www.eclipse.org/org/
 A unique aspect of the Eclipse community and the role of the Eclipse
 Foundation is the active marketing and promotion of Eclipse projects
 and wider Eclipse ecosystem. A healthy vibrant ecosystem that extends
 beyond the Eclipse open source community to include things like
 commercial products based on Eclipse, other open source projects using
 Eclipse, training and services providers, magazines and online
 portals, books, etc, are all key to the success of the Eclipse
 community.


 On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 4:22 PM, Raymond Camden rcam...@gmail.com wrote:
  By this argument it means no one could charge for Eclipse plugins.
  There are quite a few very decent, very well done Eclipse plugins that
  are not free. Shoot, by this argument no one should sell work they
  develop on Railo, since Railo is free. I'm sure you didn't imply that,
  but I think it is great the Eclipse plugin allows for this type of
  market.
 







 

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Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-22 Thread Charlie Griefer

I'd go to another dealership and buy a different car.

If the car I wanted -only- came with all the options, I'd say, Hm... ok.  I
can pony up for the in-dash GPS, the alpine sound system with the bose
speakers, the rear camera, the massaging seats (etc), when all I really want
is a car with the massaging seats or I can go buy a different car with
just the massaging seats.

Life's like that.

You can choose to say, OK, I want this badly enough that I'll pay the
price, or you say, I want it, but not that badly.  Then you move on.
 Life ain't gonna cater to you (or to me or to anyone else).  The
dealership's selling that car with all the options and they're doing it for
a reason... right or wrong... and their choice to do so may end up getting
them a different result than what they were hoping for.  But that's their
choice, just as we have to make our choices.

I choose to believe that Adobe put some thought into their approach.  Again,
I definitely see that it isn't an approach that's going to make everybody
happy.  No approach would.  But I see that even though it may not cater to
me and what I need... it could potentially serve to meet their needs (cross
marketing, growing their communities, etc).  Agree or disagree with it, I
respect the choice and hope it works out.  Because if it does, we all stand
to win.

On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.comwrote:


 What would you think if you went to buy a car, but the dealership
 refused to sell it to you unless you bought every option available?

 I wouldn't be too happy about being forced to buy a bundle to get the
 one product I wanted.


 -Original Message-
 From: Charlie Griefer [mailto:charlie.grie...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 5:55 PM
 To: cf-talk
 Subject: Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!


 On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 2:50 PM, Rick Faircloth
 r...@whitestonemedia.comwrote:

 
  And that's all well and good.  If I could develop a plug-in for Eclipse,
  I'd try to sell it.  Making money is *not* evil.  Overcharging customers
  (which
  is the underlying issue driving people's comments, I believe) is...
 

 They're selling CFBuilder -and- FlashBuilder for the price they used to
 charge (just a year ago) for FlexBuilder (which is now FlashBuilder).

 They're essentially saying, here... here's the product we sold last year,
 at the price we sold it at.  Oh, and we're throwing in ColdFusion Builder.


 And that would be overcharging how...?


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 http://charlie.griefer.com/

 I have failed as much as I have succeeded. But I love my life. I love my
 wife. And I wish you my kind of success.




 

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Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-22 Thread Charlie Griefer

On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 4:05 PM, Eric Roberts 
ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote:


 Lets say you drive a ford and I give you a piston for a Chevy for free.
 Unless you happen to also have a Chevy with the engine that fits, I
 basically gave you a useless piston...but it was free...  So to say this
 bundle is beneficial to all is a misstatement.


OK.  Show me where I (or anyone in this or any other thread) said this
bundle is beneficial to all.  Take your time and look hard.


 They should offer other
 options.  That would be the right thing to do.


The right thing to do is highly subjective.  For you, it might be the
right thing to do, and as I've said (repeatedly), I understand that.  This
is the direction that Adobe's chosen to take.  And while I get that it's not
beneficial for everybody, I see where there is the potential for it to be
beneficial by way of cross-promoting CF to Flex people and Flex to CF
people.  That, to me, doesn't seem like the wrong thing.  All I'm asking
people to realize is that because it's not right for them does not make it
wrong.  There is no scenario under which it would be right for everybody.


 It's the same reason why
 many of us stopped using Dreamweaver.  While DW is a great package, it has
 a
 lot of features that are completely useless to us as developers, while Home
 site or Eclipse was just right as far as an environment for developers as
 opposed to designers. If I don't use flash or flex, what is the value of
 Flash builder to me?  (hint:  $0)


I stopped using DW because I found it to be bloated, sluggish, and
unresponsive.  I've heard that it's gotten better, but I've not had the
opportunity to try it out lately.

To you, the value of FlashBuilder is $0.  I can't say, I get that any more
than I already have.  To others, there's value.  Perhaps I've been wanting
to try my hand at Flex, but wasn't prepared to shell out the $ for
FlexBuilder/FlashBuilder.  Now I've got a reason.  There's some value.

So again... no value to -you- specifically != no value.


 Considering that as far as CF is
 concerned, we are the marketing team since they can't seem to have the
 drive
 to market it themselves, making us happy is a good idea.  We are the ones
 that suggest CF to clients and employers.  We are the ones that push for
 upgrades.  Adobe makes lots money from our actions.


I agree that there have been issues with marketing CF.  For years I'd have
loved to have seen a CF ad in a trade magazine that promoted CF to
developers of other languages.  But do you not see the marketing effort
here?  Cross promoting FlashBuilder to CF developers, and CF to Flex
developers (who may be PHP or Java or Ruby people)?  There's value in that
effort.  It may not work, but I applaud the effort.

People seem to keep coming back to, Adobe needs to take care of us to grow
the community.  I don't get that.  If they take care of us they keep the
community content, but it doesn't grow.  We're still going to push CF to
clients and employers.  You  might stop doing so because you're upset about
the fact that the CFBuilder pricing isn't catered to your needs... a handful
of others might as well.  But I'd venture to guess that it won't be a
statistically significant amount of people.  CF server is the product we use
and love.  A number of us will shell out the $300 for CFBuilder -and-
FlashBuilder.  A number of us will continue to use CFEclipse or TextMate or
Coda or BBEdit or...

I just don't think anybody's getting screwed here.  If anything, people are
getting something for nothing.  If you don't want what they're offering for
nothing, you're not getting screwed.  You're no worse off than you were
yesterday.

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Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-22 Thread Charlie Griefer

On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 5:04 PM, Casey Dougall 
ca...@uberwebsitesolutions.com wrote:


 OK Plain and simple... Why ColdFusion builder should be FR$$!

 And these clients in return purchase ColdFusion. We are their Marketing in
 this department. It's in Adobe's best interest to allow ColdFusion
 Developers access to tools that assist with development on their platform,
 because it actually costs money to install on the server.


I'm not disagreeing that there could be value there.  But there could also
be value in the cross-promotion efforts.  The two are not mutually
exclusive, but Adobe chose to go with one over the other.  Doesn't make it
wrong.


 Look at Flex, Flash, ActionScript These platforms or whatever are
 available on X amount of computers around the world, at no additional cost
 to the client or the developer.

 Two totally different business models.

 Look at how Macromedia did it... ColdFusion Report Builder is FREE! Totally
 separate product that can be used in conjunction with one of products you
 have to pay to install on a device... ColdFusion

 Yes, you should pay for anything that needs to interact with their FREE
 scripting languages, but not the paid for ones!


Not sure I see the correlation.  But looking back at Macromedia, if memory
serves, ColdFusion Studio (when it was an IDE and not a product suite) was
not free.  So OK, let's look at how Macromedia did it ;)

Oh, and ColdFusion Studio was $495.  10 years later we have a better product
(arguably... at least in its potential) and it costs $200 less.

HomeSite/HomeSite+... also not free.

I think those are better correlations than CF Report Builder.


 Every ColdFusion license should come with 1 Builder License.


Hey don't get me wrong, I wouldn't be against this :)  But I'm also not
going to rail against Adobe because it doesn't.


 Separate license that can be given out as promotional value to a new
 developer who is interested in CFML. They in return, start using it, love
 it, and tell their clients to install it on their server. $$$


Those same developers can download the 60 day trial (that's 2 months... I've
downloaded trials that expired in 15 days, well before I even had the chance
to give 'em a fair shake).  That should be more than enough time to start
loving it, telling their clients to use it, and then shelling out the $300
for it (-and- by virtue of doing so gaining exposure to FlashBuilder).
 Win/win.


 They don't need to do that with their other languages, it's a given so the
 fact that you need to purchase a development tool there is a given.
 ColdFusion, not so much so.


This goes back to the ever-present debate about the cost of ColdFusion
server versus the cost of other similar platforms.  Yes, CF costs.  PHP does
not, ASP does not, etc.  We make up for the cost via rapid application
development and in the end, save a metric assload of money.  I don't see the
IDE argument factoring in here at all.


  You  might stop doing so because you're upset about
  the fact that the CFBuilder pricing isn't catered to your needs... a
  handful
  of others might as well.  But I'd venture to guess that it won't be a
  statistically significant amount of people.  CF server is the product we
  use
  and love.

 No, I totally love CFML. Adobe lucked out when they bought Macromedia!


I agree.  I think most developers will agree.  I don't think Adobe's going
to lose a lot of existing developers over this, but they stand to gain
(many?) more.

 A number of us will shell out the $300 for CFBuilder -and-
  FlashBuilder.  A number of us will continue to use CFEclipse or TextMate
 or
  Coda or BBEdit or...
 
 
 That's misleading. It's $600 ish as you need to purchase FlashBuilder
 Premium, I don't have Flex Builder currently.


It's not misleading.  CFBuilder, which costs $299, comes with FlashBuilder
standard.

From http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/buy/#cfb :

Additionally, easily create rich interfaces for your applications with a
complimentary copy of Flash Builder 4 Standard /products/flex/buy/ included
with ColdFusion Builder.

So it's not $600 ish.  It's $299 and you get both ColdFusion Builder and
FlashBuilder.  Which is pretty much saying, Buy FlashBuilder and get
CFBuilder for free (or vice-versa).  Much better deal than CFStudio for
$500 :)


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Re: CF-based picture-gallery

2010-03-16 Thread Charlie Griefer

I guess now it's official :)

On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 10:28 AM, Tony Bentley t...@tonybentley.com wrote:


 http://cfimagemanager.com/downloads/cfimagemanager_5.7.09.4pm.zip

 I never officially released it but it does everything you listed.

 

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Re: Local DEV setup, multiple projects/websites

2010-02-25 Thread Charlie Griefer

I do it like this guy does it:

http://www.boyzoid.com/blog/index.cfm/2007/12/14/How-Do-You-Set-Up-Your-Development-Environment

http://www.boyzoid.com/blog/index.cfm/2007/12/14/How-Do-You-Set-Up-Your-Development-EnvironmentBasically,
set up a virtual host thru apache for each site, with a .dev naming
convention.

So if I have 2 sites that would be www.foo.com and www.bar.com in
production, they're foo.dev and bar.dev locally.

And yes, that would require entries into your hosts file for foo.dev and
bar.dev :)

On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 6:05 PM, Jeff U j...@uspokerdirectory.com wrote:


 Hello,
 I've got a new local environment setup and I've got multiple projects in
 folders off the root.

 http://localhost:8500/projectAAA/index.cfm
 http://localhost:8500/projectBBB/index.cfm  and so forth

 These projects then sit production wise on:
 www.projectAAA.com
 www.projectBBB.com  (note: root level, not in a sub-folder like LOCAL)

 Is there anyway in my local environment that I can create something like:
 http://local.projectAAA.com/ hitting the content in the /projectAAA/
 folder.

 I'm hoping I can create all links RELATIVE and that way they work both
 locally as well as on production with no code changes what-so-ever.

 I hope I explained that right.  I believe my HOSTS file isn't the answer as
 that can't forward to ports. Suggestions??

 only other idea I had was to make links look like: a
 href=#baseURL#link.cfmlink/a.

 where:
 cfif isLocalEnv
  cfset baseURL = /projectAAA/
 cfelse
  cfset baseURL = /
 /cfif
 but that seems like a ugly code solution.

 Appreciate any help this list can provide!


 

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Re: Local DEV setup, multiple projects/websites

2010-02-25 Thread Charlie Griefer

While I do advocate keeping your development setup as close to the
production setup as possible, I've always used Apache locally, even if I was
using IIS remotely.  Made it easier to do things like multiple sites and
setting up the .dev sites as outlined above and in the blog entry i linked
above.

I believe that nowadays IIS does the multiple sites thing.  If that's the
case, you should still be able to set up the foo.dev and bar.dev sites in
IIS, which gives you the equivalent of top level domains, even though
they're subdirectories within your webroot.

On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 6:34 PM, Jeff U j...@uspokerdirectory.com wrote:


 Definitely should have included that.  WinXP, IIS, CF9 Development Server,
 used built-in webserver.  Prefer to keep it that way for simplicity sake.
  Thanks guys.

 

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