Re: Stus-List Fundraising results

[Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List]

Thank you Josh...and once again, thank you Stu.

On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 1:50 PM Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> To Kevin's point, if the expense (money and time) is exorbitant, there may
> be alternatives or at least a strong argument for something different.
> This list does have plenty of smart people, many of whom may have
> experience with modern social networking technology and associated
> platforms.  It is possible that there is a better way to do this.  It is
> also quite possible that this list is still the best, cheapest, and least
> involved.
>
> Just because this topic has been discussed at length multiple times in the
> past doesn't mean that a new technology hasn't come along.  I do remember
> that one of the important features referenced in the past was that it be
> email based so that our SSB/pactor/snail mail members can still interact.
> With the ubiquity of modern high-speed cell phone internet and even
> satellite internet communications it seems that even that argument is
> becoming moot.
>
> As for the "transition" from Stu (for whatever reason but most importantly
> an untimely demise) a "board of directors" might be appropriate to ensure a
> smooth transition.
>
> None of this is to discredit or disrespect Stu's efforts or
> contributions.  In fact quite the opposite.  Thank you Stu for all of your
> time and effort over the years.
>
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C 37+
> Solomons, MD
>
>
>
> On Oct 26, 2017 3:35 PM, "Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List" <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Dennis et al,
>> Wouldn't you want to know how *much* it is costing Stu or how *little* he
>> is making so you could send MORE money, to help out? I do so I can send
>> MORE, not less!
>>
>> Continue to pile on all you like. Being informed of the approximate costs
>> (in time and $) would benefit everyone, least of all Stu, since listers
>> would know what it takes and could contribute MORE.
>>
>> Keep em coming. Still loving this list and C's ;!
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 12:26 PM Dennis C. via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>>> This virtual C community has existed for over 20 years.  Many of us
>>> have escaped the list's cyber boundaries and meet in the "real" world.
>>>
>>> What Bill didn't mention was that Sailnet wanted to charge an ongoing
>>> fee to all of us.   We would also be subject to their advertisements and
>>> any future fee increases.  After we set up a Yahoo Groups, we found it
>>> lacking.
>>>
>>> Stu stepped up to the plate and offered to maintain what we now call
>>> Stu's List.  One of the promises Stu made was "no advertising, ever".  We
>>> like that.  It is a community list.  Although Stu diligently maintains it,
>>> we all feel a deep sense of community and semi-ownership.  Although Stu is
>>> the "official head knocker in charge", we choose to believe this list is
>>> "ours".
>>>
>>> Not only does this resource make our boats more valuable, the cumulative
>>> $$ and aggravation savings are large.  Benefiting from the been there, done
>>> that of this list is very valuable.  The combined experience of our members
>>> cover all aspects of our boats; rigging, tuning, structural repairs,
>>> engines, electrical and electronics.
>>>
>>> Well worth throwing a few bucks at Stu.  IMHO, if there is an excess, I
>>> believe Stu will inform us and apply it to next year's expenses.  I, like
>>> others, think that if Stu chooses to accept an annual "bonus" of a bottle
>>> or two of some fine adult beverage, that's good by me.  He deserves it.
>>>
>>> Enough about this.  Send $$$.
>>>
>>> Dennis C.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 12:19 PM, Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List <
>>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>>
 We lived through this discussion a long time ago at very great length.
 We do not need to re-litigate it again. We were all originally on a group
 hosted by Sailnet. Sailnet changed hands, and we were essentially left
 homeless. At that time, we had a long debate about where to go. Google
 really didn't exist then. The big player was Yahoo. There were a few other
 options, including staying with the new owners of Sailnet, even though they
 had dumped our archives. Having been burned badly by allowing someone else
 to host us, we were all very happy to have Stu provide us a stable home,
 where some outside bean-counter would never again have the option to
 exterminate us, and throw our content in the trash. Stu has done an amazing
 job all these years, and at one time mentioned that there was a succession
 plan in place. Anyone who thinks this is in any way a "business" for Stu
 should just go back out whatever door they came in. He has put an enormous
 amount of time and effort into keeping us together, and I would be shocked
 if the bottom line has not been a bit of red ink for him. Stu has formal
 arrangements for use of the official C material on his website and 

Re: Stus-List Fundraising results

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

To Kevin's point, if the expense (money and time) is exorbitant, there may
be alternatives or at least a strong argument for something different.
This list does have plenty of smart people, many of whom may have
experience with modern social networking technology and associated
platforms.  It is possible that there is a better way to do this.  It is
also quite possible that this list is still the best, cheapest, and least
involved.

Just because this topic has been discussed at length multiple times in the
past doesn't mean that a new technology hasn't come along.  I do remember
that one of the important features referenced in the past was that it be
email based so that our SSB/pactor/snail mail members can still interact.
With the ubiquity of modern high-speed cell phone internet and even
satellite internet communications it seems that even that argument is
becoming moot.

As for the "transition" from Stu (for whatever reason but most importantly
an untimely demise) a "board of directors" might be appropriate to ensure a
smooth transition.

None of this is to discredit or disrespect Stu's efforts or contributions.
In fact quite the opposite.  Thank you Stu for all of your time and effort
over the years.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD



On Oct 26, 2017 3:35 PM, "Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List" <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Dennis et al,
> Wouldn't you want to know how *much* it is costing Stu or how *little* he
> is making so you could send MORE money, to help out? I do so I can send
> MORE, not less!
>
> Continue to pile on all you like. Being informed of the approximate costs
> (in time and $) would benefit everyone, least of all Stu, since listers
> would know what it takes and could contribute MORE.
>
> Keep em coming. Still loving this list and C's ;!
>
> On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 12:26 PM Dennis C. via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> This virtual C community has existed for over 20 years.  Many of us
>> have escaped the list's cyber boundaries and meet in the "real" world.
>>
>> What Bill didn't mention was that Sailnet wanted to charge an ongoing fee
>> to all of us.   We would also be subject to their advertisements and any
>> future fee increases.  After we set up a Yahoo Groups, we found it lacking.
>>
>> Stu stepped up to the plate and offered to maintain what we now call
>> Stu's List.  One of the promises Stu made was "no advertising, ever".  We
>> like that.  It is a community list.  Although Stu diligently maintains it,
>> we all feel a deep sense of community and semi-ownership.  Although Stu is
>> the "official head knocker in charge", we choose to believe this list is
>> "ours".
>>
>> Not only does this resource make our boats more valuable, the cumulative
>> $$ and aggravation savings are large.  Benefiting from the been there, done
>> that of this list is very valuable.  The combined experience of our members
>> cover all aspects of our boats; rigging, tuning, structural repairs,
>> engines, electrical and electronics.
>>
>> Well worth throwing a few bucks at Stu.  IMHO, if there is an excess, I
>> believe Stu will inform us and apply it to next year's expenses.  I, like
>> others, think that if Stu chooses to accept an annual "bonus" of a bottle
>> or two of some fine adult beverage, that's good by me.  He deserves it.
>>
>> Enough about this.  Send $$$.
>>
>> Dennis C.
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 12:19 PM, Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>>> We lived through this discussion a long time ago at very great length.
>>> We do not need to re-litigate it again. We were all originally on a group
>>> hosted by Sailnet. Sailnet changed hands, and we were essentially left
>>> homeless. At that time, we had a long debate about where to go. Google
>>> really didn't exist then. The big player was Yahoo. There were a few other
>>> options, including staying with the new owners of Sailnet, even though they
>>> had dumped our archives. Having been burned badly by allowing someone else
>>> to host us, we were all very happy to have Stu provide us a stable home,
>>> where some outside bean-counter would never again have the option to
>>> exterminate us, and throw our content in the trash. Stu has done an amazing
>>> job all these years, and at one time mentioned that there was a succession
>>> plan in place. Anyone who thinks this is in any way a "business" for Stu
>>> should just go back out whatever door they came in. He has put an enormous
>>> amount of time and effort into keeping us together, and I would be shocked
>>> if the bottom line has not been a bit of red ink for him. Stu has formal
>>> arrangements for use of the official C material on his website and use of
>>> the logo for various items he occasionally makes available as modest fund
>>> raisers. The founders and principal players of the old C have expressed
>>> gratitude for Stu's efforts in keeping their legacy alive. Our old C's
>>> are also more saleable, and 

Re: Stus-List Fundraising results

[Indigo via CnC-List]

I think if it like NPR. I have no idea how much they need to run the stations, 
but I contribute anyway based on what I can afford / related to what I get out 
of listening. 

We should treat this list the same. I am sure if most participants gave 
something Stu’s costs would be covered. If Stu ends up with more than he needs 
- great - it’s well deserved!

--
Jonathan
Indigo C 35III
SOUTHPORT CT

> On Oct 26, 2017, at 15:34, Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Dennis et al, 
> Wouldn't you want to know how much it is costing Stu or how little he is 
> making so you could send MORE money, to help out? I do so I can send MORE, 
> not less!
> 
> Continue to pile on all you like. Being informed of the approximate costs (in 
> time and $) would benefit everyone, least of all Stu, since listers would 
> know what it takes and could contribute MORE. 
> 
> Keep em coming. Still loving this list and C's ;!
> 
>> On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 12:26 PM Dennis C. via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> This virtual C community has existed for over 20 years.  Many of us have 
>> escaped the list's cyber boundaries and meet in the "real" world.  
>> 
>> What Bill didn't mention was that Sailnet wanted to charge an ongoing fee to 
>> all of us.   We would also be subject to their advertisements and any future 
>> fee increases.  After we set up a Yahoo Groups, we found it lacking.
>> 
>> Stu stepped up to the plate and offered to maintain what we now call Stu's 
>> List.  One of the promises Stu made was "no advertising, ever".  We like 
>> that.  It is a community list.  Although Stu diligently maintains it, we all 
>> feel a deep sense of community and semi-ownership.  Although Stu is the 
>> "official head knocker in charge", we choose to believe this list is "ours".
>> 
>> Not only does this resource make our boats more valuable, the cumulative $$ 
>> and aggravation savings are large.  Benefiting from the been there, done 
>> that of this list is very valuable.  The combined experience of our members 
>> cover all aspects of our boats; rigging, tuning, structural repairs, 
>> engines, electrical and electronics.  
>> 
>> Well worth throwing a few bucks at Stu.  IMHO, if there is an excess, I 
>> believe Stu will inform us and apply it to next year's expenses.  I, like 
>> others, think that if Stu chooses to accept an annual "bonus" of a bottle or 
>> two of some fine adult beverage, that's good by me.  He deserves it.
>> 
>> Enough about this.  Send $$$.
>> 
>> Dennis C.
>> 
>>> On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 12:19 PM, Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List 
>>>  wrote:
>>> We lived through this discussion a long time ago at very great length. We 
>>> do not need to re-litigate it again. We were all originally on a group 
>>> hosted by Sailnet. Sailnet changed hands, and we were essentially left 
>>> homeless. At that time, we had a long debate about where to go. Google 
>>> really didn't exist then. The big player was Yahoo. There were a few other 
>>> options, including staying with the new owners of Sailnet, even though they 
>>> had dumped our archives. Having been burned badly by allowing someone else 
>>> to host us, we were all very happy to have Stu provide us a stable home, 
>>> where some outside bean-counter would never again have the option to 
>>> exterminate us, and throw our content in the trash. Stu has done an amazing 
>>> job all these years, and at one time mentioned that there was a succession 
>>> plan in place. Anyone who thinks this is in any way   a "business" 
>>> for Stu should just go back out whatever door they came in. He has put an 
>>> enormous amount of time and effort into keeping us together, and I would be 
>>> shocked if the bottom line has not been a bit of red ink for him. Stu has 
>>> formal arrangements for use of the official C material on his website and 
>>> use of the logo for various items he occasionally makes available as modest 
>>> fund raisers. The founders and principal players of the old C have 
>>> expressed gratitude for Stu's efforts in keeping their legacy alive. Our 
>>> old C's are also more saleable, and at a higher price, thanks to Stu's 
>>> generous work. 
>>> 
>>> Bill Bina
>>> 
 On 10/26/2017 12:54 PM, Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List wrote:
 Stu, Thank you for what you do. No offense intended, but this is my 
 perspective:
 
 Mike,
 
 I have lots of stuff on Google drives. This does not make it Google's 
 property. This email list, in support of a brand of sailboats, is a 
 Community of people who share a common passion. I personally do not think 
 one person should own, control, and profit? from the experiences shared by 
 many, for free, in support of a brand of sailboats we all love. 
 
 God forbid something happens to Stu, but if it did this list would 
 evaporate unless there is a succession plan that I am unaware of. Stu does 
 not own 

Re: Stus-List Fundraising results

[Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List]

Dennis et al,
Wouldn't you want to know how *much* it is costing Stu or how *little* he
is making so you could send MORE money, to help out? I do so I can send
MORE, not less!

Continue to pile on all you like. Being informed of the approximate costs
(in time and $) would benefit everyone, least of all Stu, since listers
would know what it takes and could contribute MORE.

Keep em coming. Still loving this list and C's ;!

On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 12:26 PM Dennis C. via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> This virtual C community has existed for over 20 years.  Many of us have
> escaped the list's cyber boundaries and meet in the "real" world.
>
> What Bill didn't mention was that Sailnet wanted to charge an ongoing fee
> to all of us.   We would also be subject to their advertisements and any
> future fee increases.  After we set up a Yahoo Groups, we found it lacking.
>
> Stu stepped up to the plate and offered to maintain what we now call Stu's
> List.  One of the promises Stu made was "no advertising, ever".  We like
> that.  It is a community list.  Although Stu diligently maintains it, we
> all feel a deep sense of community and semi-ownership.  Although Stu is the
> "official head knocker in charge", we choose to believe this list is "ours".
>
> Not only does this resource make our boats more valuable, the cumulative
> $$ and aggravation savings are large.  Benefiting from the been there, done
> that of this list is very valuable.  The combined experience of our members
> cover all aspects of our boats; rigging, tuning, structural repairs,
> engines, electrical and electronics.
>
> Well worth throwing a few bucks at Stu.  IMHO, if there is an excess, I
> believe Stu will inform us and apply it to next year's expenses.  I, like
> others, think that if Stu chooses to accept an annual "bonus" of a bottle
> or two of some fine adult beverage, that's good by me.  He deserves it.
>
> Enough about this.  Send $$$.
>
> Dennis C.
>
> On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 12:19 PM, Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> We lived through this discussion a long time ago at very great length. We
>> do not need to re-litigate it again. We were all originally on a group
>> hosted by Sailnet. Sailnet changed hands, and we were essentially left
>> homeless. At that time, we had a long debate about where to go. Google
>> really didn't exist then. The big player was Yahoo. There were a few other
>> options, including staying with the new owners of Sailnet, even though they
>> had dumped our archives. Having been burned badly by allowing someone else
>> to host us, we were all very happy to have Stu provide us a stable home,
>> where some outside bean-counter would never again have the option to
>> exterminate us, and throw our content in the trash. Stu has done an amazing
>> job all these years, and at one time mentioned that there was a succession
>> plan in place. Anyone who thinks this is in any way a "business" for Stu
>> should just go back out whatever door they came in. He has put an enormous
>> amount of time and effort into keeping us together, and I would be shocked
>> if the bottom line has not been a bit of red ink for him. Stu has formal
>> arrangements for use of the official C material on his website and use of
>> the logo for various items he occasionally makes available as modest fund
>> raisers. The founders and principal players of the old C have expressed
>> gratitude for Stu's efforts in keeping their legacy alive. Our old C's
>> are also more saleable, and at a higher price, thanks to Stu's generous
>> work.
>>
>> Bill Bina
>>
>> On 10/26/2017 12:54 PM, Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List wrote:
>>
>> Stu, Thank you for what you do. No offense intended, but this is my
>> perspective:
>>
>> Mike,
>>
>> I have lots of stuff on Google drives. This does not make it Google's
>> property. This email list, in support of a brand of sailboats, is
>> a Community of people who share a common passion. I personally do not think
>> one person should own, control, and profit? from the experiences shared by
>> many, for free, in support of a brand of sailboats we all love.
>>
>> God forbid something happens to Stu, but if it did this list would
>> evaporate unless there is a succession plan that I am unaware of. Stu does
>> not own the intellectual property on this list and does not own any part or
>> version of the actual C brand to my knowledge. If anything we should be
>> sending money to Rob Ball, Cuthbertson's family, etc. for the designs they
>> labored over and executed so well.
>>
>>  Cloud storage is *storage*. That's all.
>>
>> I have asked twice about what it costs to run the list. An answer hasn't
>> been provided.
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 25, 2017, 5:26 PM Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>>> This is stus list and moving to cloud may make it their list.
>>>
>>> I have met people through this list that I have later met in person who
>>> are now 

Re: Stus-List Fundraising results

[John Irvin via CnC-List]

Couldn’t agree more with Bill’s comments.

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 26, 2017, at 1:20 PM, Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List 
> wrote:


We lived through this discussion a long time ago at very great length. We do 
not need to re-litigate it again. We were all originally on a group hosted by 
Sailnet. Sailnet changed hands, and we were essentially left homeless. At that 
time, we had a long debate about where to go. Google really didn't exist then. 
The big player was Yahoo. There were a few other options, including staying 
with the new owners of Sailnet, even though they had dumped our archives. 
Having been burned badly by allowing someone else to host us, we were all very 
happy to have Stu provide us a stable home, where some outside bean-counter 
would never again have the option to exterminate us, and throw our content in 
the trash. Stu has done an amazing job all these years, and at one time 
mentioned that there was a succession plan in place. Anyone who thinks this is 
in any way a "business" for Stu should just go back out whatever door they came 
in. He has put an enormous amount of time and effort into keeping us together, 
and I would be shocked if the bottom line has not been a bit of red ink for 
him. Stu has formal arrangements for use of the official C material on his 
website and use of the logo for various items he occasionally makes available 
as modest fund raisers. The founders and principal players of the old C have 
expressed gratitude for Stu's efforts in keeping their legacy alive. Our old 
C's are also more saleable, and at a higher price, thanks to Stu's generous 
work.

Bill Bina

On 10/26/2017 12:54 PM, Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List wrote:

Stu, Thank you for what you do. No offense intended, but this is my perspective:

Mike,

I have lots of stuff on Google drives. This does not make it Google's property. 
This email list, in support of a brand of sailboats, is a Community of people 
who share a common passion. I personally do not think one person should own, 
control, and profit? from the experiences shared by many, for free, in support 
of a brand of sailboats we all love.

God forbid something happens to Stu, but if it did this list would evaporate 
unless there is a succession plan that I am unaware of. Stu does not own the 
intellectual property on this list and does not own any part or version of the 
actual C brand to my knowledge. If anything we should be sending money to Rob 
Ball, Cuthbertson's family, etc. for the designs they labored over and executed 
so well.

 Cloud storage is storage. That's all.

I have asked twice about what it costs to run the list. An answer hasn't been 
provided.

Thank you.

On Wed, Oct 25, 2017, 5:26 PM Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
> wrote:
This is stus list and moving to cloud may make it their list.

I have met people through this list that I have later met in person who are now 
friends. I have met people who I have never met in person who are friends  I 
have solved engine problems due to input from this list and learned that cows 
do better foredeck work than me. I have learned a lot.

This list is stus and we have all benefited. Moving to cloud makes it not stus. 
I am happy to support for all the c my family and i have owned or sailed on 
and the ones that are not c I believe strongly that this list is so good 
because of Stu

I also wonder if cows live on foredeck in Mexico

Mike Hoyt
The most consistent not currently c poster
The biggest interloper
One of the strongest believers in what Stu has built

1987 non c
Persistence
Out of the water today
Halifax, ns
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All contributions are greatly appreciated!

Re: Stus-List Fundraising results

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

This virtual C community has existed for over 20 years.  Many of us have
escaped the list's cyber boundaries and meet in the "real" world.

What Bill didn't mention was that Sailnet wanted to charge an ongoing fee
to all of us.   We would also be subject to their advertisements and any
future fee increases.  After we set up a Yahoo Groups, we found it lacking.

Stu stepped up to the plate and offered to maintain what we now call Stu's
List.  One of the promises Stu made was "no advertising, ever".  We like
that.  It is a community list.  Although Stu diligently maintains it, we
all feel a deep sense of community and semi-ownership.  Although Stu is the
"official head knocker in charge", we choose to believe this list is "ours".

Not only does this resource make our boats more valuable, the cumulative $$
and aggravation savings are large.  Benefiting from the been there, done
that of this list is very valuable.  The combined experience of our members
cover all aspects of our boats; rigging, tuning, structural repairs,
engines, electrical and electronics.

Well worth throwing a few bucks at Stu.  IMHO, if there is an excess, I
believe Stu will inform us and apply it to next year's expenses.  I, like
others, think that if Stu chooses to accept an annual "bonus" of a bottle
or two of some fine adult beverage, that's good by me.  He deserves it.

Enough about this.  Send $$$.

Dennis C.

On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 12:19 PM, Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> We lived through this discussion a long time ago at very great length. We
> do not need to re-litigate it again. We were all originally on a group
> hosted by Sailnet. Sailnet changed hands, and we were essentially left
> homeless. At that time, we had a long debate about where to go. Google
> really didn't exist then. The big player was Yahoo. There were a few other
> options, including staying with the new owners of Sailnet, even though they
> had dumped our archives. Having been burned badly by allowing someone else
> to host us, we were all very happy to have Stu provide us a stable home,
> where some outside bean-counter would never again have the option to
> exterminate us, and throw our content in the trash. Stu has done an amazing
> job all these years, and at one time mentioned that there was a succession
> plan in place. Anyone who thinks this is in any way a "business" for Stu
> should just go back out whatever door they came in. He has put an enormous
> amount of time and effort into keeping us together, and I would be shocked
> if the bottom line has not been a bit of red ink for him. Stu has formal
> arrangements for use of the official C material on his website and use of
> the logo for various items he occasionally makes available as modest fund
> raisers. The founders and principal players of the old C have expressed
> gratitude for Stu's efforts in keeping their legacy alive. Our old C's
> are also more saleable, and at a higher price, thanks to Stu's generous
> work.
>
> Bill Bina
>
> On 10/26/2017 12:54 PM, Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List wrote:
>
> Stu, Thank you for what you do. No offense intended, but this is my
> perspective:
>
> Mike,
>
> I have lots of stuff on Google drives. This does not make it Google's
> property. This email list, in support of a brand of sailboats, is
> a Community of people who share a common passion. I personally do not think
> one person should own, control, and profit? from the experiences shared by
> many, for free, in support of a brand of sailboats we all love.
>
> God forbid something happens to Stu, but if it did this list would
> evaporate unless there is a succession plan that I am unaware of. Stu does
> not own the intellectual property on this list and does not own any part or
> version of the actual C brand to my knowledge. If anything we should be
> sending money to Rob Ball, Cuthbertson's family, etc. for the designs they
> labored over and executed so well.
>
>  Cloud storage is *storage*. That's all.
>
> I have asked twice about what it costs to run the list. An answer hasn't
> been provided.
>
> Thank you.
>
> On Wed, Oct 25, 2017, 5:26 PM Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> This is stus list and moving to cloud may make it their list.
>>
>> I have met people through this list that I have later met in person who
>> are now friends. I have met people who I have never met in person who are
>> friends  I have solved engine problems due to input from this list and
>> learned that cows do better foredeck work than me. I have learned a lot.
>>
>> This list is stus and we have all benefited. Moving to cloud makes it not
>> stus. I am happy to support for all the c my family and i have owned or
>> sailed on and the ones that are not c I believe strongly that this list
>> is so good because of Stu
>>
>> I also wonder if cows live on foredeck in Mexico
>>
>> Mike Hoyt
>> The most consistent not currently c poster
>> The biggest interloper
>> One of 

Re: Stus-List Fundraising results

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

I say “cheers” to that

Marek

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Della Barba, 
Joe via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 13:54
To: 'cnc-list@cnc-list.com' <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc: Della Barba, Joe <joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fundraising results

The few dollars this list “costs”, and I used quotes because no one makes you 
pay anything, are by FAR the best money I spend on my boat. Older C support 
is GREAT and probably superior to ANY other brand. This list really makes an 
older C a better deal than an older brand X where you are on your own. If Stu 
makes enough profit to buy a bottle of rum I would be amazed, but if so I hope 
he enjoys it.
I run a website for my own yacht club 
(www.cryc.org<https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cryc.org=02%7C01%7Cdziedzicmj%40hotmail.com%7Cfbc6b05a71144f9eb1ca08d51c9ab706%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636446373171011640=NcxdQ48UvuxpDqOWuz%2B4rOnK%2FiTObKK3%2B535wse24Vk%3D=0>)
 and a flying charity event 
(http://www.tangierhollyrun.com<https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tangierhollyrun.com=02%7C01%7Cdziedzicmj%40hotmail.com%7Cfbc6b05a71144f9eb1ca08d51c9ab706%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636446373171011640=Pv57JX8I6OCVZTyBDS0xHyIELOWn1U8COwRFp1gGQjQ%3D=0>
 ) and it is a PITA keeping everything humming along.
I say raise a glass to Stu and go sailing ☺


Joe Della Barba
Coquina

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Randy 
Stafford via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 1:35 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc: Randy Stafford
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fundraising results

Kevin I don’t know what the exact numbers are, but I imagine these are the 
things Stu has to pay for to keep 
cncphotoalbum.com<https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fcncphotoalbum.com=02%7C01%7Cdziedzicmj%40hotmail.com%7Cfbc6b05a71144f9eb1ca08d51c9ab706%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636446373171011640=G2PJaVAHB6iSz2OYU9jA3qLxluondgzzYk7vZXu8PJo%3D=0>
 and Stu’s List running:
* domain name registration
* hosting provider fees to host a website and a mail list server
* email account fees for email addresses at the domain name
* perhaps internet service provider fees to access all of the above

The above is just a guess.  Yes there is storage space required.  I’d guess the 
email list archives constitute the bulk of what is stored (the static content 
on the website is probably small by comparison).  But storage space is not the 
only consideration, and probably not the biggest consideration.

All of the above is what Stu is paying for out of the kindness of his heart, 
for the good of this community.  I would like to see the website and mail list 
continue whenever Stu throws in the towel, and I am willing to help (I’m a 
software architect by profession, and have experience with technologies like 
these for communities like these).

Best Regards,
Randy Stafford
S/V Grenadine
C 30-1 #7
Ken Caryl, CO

On Oct 26, 2017, at 10:54 AM, Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Stu, Thank you for what you do. No offense intended, but this is my perspective:
Mike,
I have lots of stuff on Google drives. This does not make it Google's property. 
This email list, in support of a brand of sailboats, is a Community of people 
who share a common passion. I personally do not think one person should own, 
control, and profit? from the experiences shared by many, for free, in support 
of a brand of sailboats we all love.
God forbid something happens to Stu, but if it did this list would evaporate 
unless there is a succession plan that I am unaware of. Stu does not own the 
intellectual property on this list and does not own any part or version of the 
actual C brand to my knowledge. If anything we should be sending money to Rob 
Ball, Cuthbertson's family, etc. for the designs they labored over and executed 
so well.
 Cloud storage is storage. That's all.
I have asked twice about what it costs to run the list. An answer hasn't been 
provided.
Thank you.

On Wed, Oct 25, 2017, 5:26 PM Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
This is stus list and moving to cloud may make it their list.

I have met people through this list that I have later met in person who are now 
friends. I have met people who I have never met in person who are friends  I 
have solved engine problems due to input from this list and learned that cows 
do better foredeck work than me. I have learned a lot.

This list is stus and we have all benefited. Moving to cloud makes it not stus. 
I am happy to support for all the c my family and i have owned or sailed on 
and the ones that are not c I believe strongly that this list is so good 
beca

Re: Stus-List Fundraising results

[John Pennie via CnC-List]

Well said Bill and I’m a beancounter!

John

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 26, 2017, at 1:19 PM, Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> We lived through this discussion a long time ago at very great length. We do 
> not need to re-litigate it again. We were all originally on a group hosted by 
> Sailnet. Sailnet changed hands, and we were essentially left homeless. At 
> that time, we had a long debate   about where to go. Google really 
> didn't exist then. The big player was Yahoo. There were a few other options, 
> including staying with the new owners of Sailnet, even though they had dumped 
> our archives. Having been burned badly by allowing someone else to host us, 
> we were all very happy to have Stu   provide us a stable home, where 
> some outside bean-counter would never again have the option to exterminate 
> us, and throw our content in the trash. Stu has done an amazing job all these 
> years, and at one time mentioned that there was a succession plan in place. 
> Anyone who thinks this is in any way a "business" for Stu should just go back 
> out whatever door they came in. He has put an enormous amount of time and 
> effort into keeping us together, and I would be shocked if the bottom line 
> has not been a bit of red ink for him. Stu has formal arrangements for use of 
> the official C material on his website and use of the logo for various 
> items he occasionally makes available as modest fund raisers. The founders 
> and principal players of the old C have expressed gratitude for Stu's 
> efforts in keeping their legacy alive. Our old C's are also more saleable, 
> and at a higher price, thanks to Stu's generous work. 
> 
> Bill Bina
> 
>> On 10/26/2017 12:54 PM, Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List wrote:
>> Stu, Thank you for what you do. No offense intended, but this is my 
>> perspective:
>> 
>> Mike,
>> 
>> I have lots of stuff on Google drives. This does not make it Google's 
>> property. This email list, in support of a brand of sailboats, is a 
>> Community of people who share a common passion. I personally do not think 
>> one person should own, control, and profit? from the experiences shared by 
>> many, for free, in support of a brand of sailboats we all love. 
>> 
>> God forbid something happens to Stu, but if it did this list would evaporate 
>> unless there is a succession plan that I am unaware of. Stu does not own the 
>> intellectual property on this list and does not own any part or version of 
>> the actual C brand to my knowledge. If anything we should be sending money 
>> to Rob Ball, Cuthbertson's family,   etc. for the designs they 
>> labored over and executed so well. 
>> 
>>  Cloud storage is storage. That's all. 
>> 
>> I have asked twice about what it costs to run the list. An answer hasn't 
>> been provided. 
>> 
>> Thank you.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Wed, Oct 25, 2017, 5:26 PM Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
>>>  wrote:
>>> This is stus list and moving to cloud may make it their list.
>>> 
>>> I have met people through this list that I have later met in 
>>> person who are now friends. I have met people who I have never met in 
>>> person who are friends  I have solved engine problems due to input from 
>>> this list and learned that cows do better foredeck work than 
>>> me. I have learned a lot.
>>> 
>>> This list is stus and we have all benefited. Moving to cloud 
>>> makes it not stus. I am happy to support for all the c my family and i 
>>> have owned or sailed on and the ones that are not c I believe strongly 
>>> that this list is so good because of Stu
>>> 
>>> I also wonder if cows live on foredeck in Mexico
>>> 
>>> Mike Hoyt
>>> The most consistent not currently c poster
>>> The biggest interloper
>>> One of the strongest believers in what Stu has built
>>> 
>>> 1987 non c
>>> Persistence
>>> Out of the water today
>>> Halifax, ns
>>> _
> 
> ___
> 
> The bills have started coming in for the year 2018 and have gone up again.  
> October will be our fund raising month.  Please consider sending a small 
> contribution to help keep this list running.  Use PayPal to send contribution 
> --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
> 
> All contributions are greatly appreciated!
___

The bills have started coming in for the year 2018 and have gone up again.  
October will be our fund raising month.  Please consider sending a small 
contribution to help keep this list running.  Use PayPal to send contribution 
--   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

All contributions are greatly appreciated!

Re: Stus-List Fundraising results

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Yeah, what Bill said.  Double!

Dennis C.

On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 12:19 PM, Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> We lived through this discussion a long time ago at very great length. We
> do not need to re-litigate it again. We were all originally on a group
> hosted by Sailnet. Sailnet changed hands, and we were essentially left
> homeless. At that time, we had a long debate about where to go. Google
> really didn't exist then. The big player was Yahoo. There were a few other
> options, including staying with the new owners of Sailnet, even though they
> had dumped our archives. Having been burned badly by allowing someone else
> to host us, we were all very happy to have Stu provide us a stable home,
> where some outside bean-counter would never again have the option to
> exterminate us, and throw our content in the trash. Stu has done an amazing
> job all these years, and at one time mentioned that there was a succession
> plan in place. Anyone who thinks this is in any way a "business" for Stu
> should just go back out whatever door they came in. He has put an enormous
> amount of time and effort into keeping us together, and I would be shocked
> if the bottom line has not been a bit of red ink for him. Stu has formal
> arrangements for use of the official C material on his website and use of
> the logo for various items he occasionally makes available as modest fund
> raisers. The founders and principal players of the old C have expressed
> gratitude for Stu's efforts in keeping their legacy alive. Our old C's
> are also more saleable, and at a higher price, thanks to Stu's generous
> work.
>
> Bill Bina
>
> On 10/26/2017 12:54 PM, Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List wrote:
>
> Stu, Thank you for what you do. No offense intended, but this is my
> perspective:
>
> Mike,
>
> I have lots of stuff on Google drives. This does not make it Google's
> property. This email list, in support of a brand of sailboats, is
> a Community of people who share a common passion. I personally do not think
> one person should own, control, and profit? from the experiences shared by
> many, for free, in support of a brand of sailboats we all love.
>
> God forbid something happens to Stu, but if it did this list would
> evaporate unless there is a succession plan that I am unaware of. Stu does
> not own the intellectual property on this list and does not own any part or
> version of the actual C brand to my knowledge. If anything we should be
> sending money to Rob Ball, Cuthbertson's family, etc. for the designs they
> labored over and executed so well.
>
>  Cloud storage is *storage*. That's all.
>
> I have asked twice about what it costs to run the list. An answer hasn't
> been provided.
>
> Thank you.
>
> On Wed, Oct 25, 2017, 5:26 PM Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> This is stus list and moving to cloud may make it their list.
>>
>> I have met people through this list that I have later met in person who
>> are now friends. I have met people who I have never met in person who are
>> friends  I have solved engine problems due to input from this list and
>> learned that cows do better foredeck work than me. I have learned a lot.
>>
>> This list is stus and we have all benefited. Moving to cloud makes it not
>> stus. I am happy to support for all the c my family and i have owned or
>> sailed on and the ones that are not c I believe strongly that this list
>> is so good because of Stu
>>
>> I also wonder if cows live on foredeck in Mexico
>>
>> Mike Hoyt
>> The most consistent not currently c poster
>> The biggest interloper
>> One of the strongest believers in what Stu has built
>>
>> 1987 non c
>> Persistence
>> Out of the water today
>> Halifax, ns
>> _
>>
>
>
> ___
>
> The bills have started coming in for the year 2018 and have gone up
> again.  October will be our fund raising month.  Please consider sending a
> small contribution to help keep this list running.  Use PayPal to send
> contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
>
> All contributions are greatly appreciated!
>
>
___

The bills have started coming in for the year 2018 and have gone up again.  
October will be our fund raising month.  Please consider sending a small 
contribution to help keep this list running.  Use PayPal to send contribution 
--   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

All contributions are greatly appreciated!

Re: Stus-List Fundraising results

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

The few dollars this list “costs”, and I used quotes because no one makes you 
pay anything, are by FAR the best money I spend on my boat. Older C support 
is GREAT and probably superior to ANY other brand. This list really makes an 
older C a better deal than an older brand X where you are on your own. If Stu 
makes enough profit to buy a bottle of rum I would be amazed, but if so I hope 
he enjoys it.
I run a website for my own yacht club (www.cryc.org<http://www.cryc.org>) and a 
flying charity event (http://www.tangierhollyrun.com ) and it is a PITA keeping 
everything humming along.
I say raise a glass to Stu and go sailing ☺


Joe Della Barba
Coquina

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Randy 
Stafford via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 1:35 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Randy Stafford
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fundraising results

Kevin I don’t know what the exact numbers are, but I imagine these are the 
things Stu has to pay for to keep cncphotoalbum.com<http://cncphotoalbum.com> 
and Stu’s List running:
* domain name registration
* hosting provider fees to host a website and a mail list server
* email account fees for email addresses at the domain name
* perhaps internet service provider fees to access all of the above

The above is just a guess.  Yes there is storage space required.  I’d guess the 
email list archives constitute the bulk of what is stored (the static content 
on the website is probably small by comparison).  But storage space is not the 
only consideration, and probably not the biggest consideration.

All of the above is what Stu is paying for out of the kindness of his heart, 
for the good of this community.  I would like to see the website and mail list 
continue whenever Stu throws in the towel, and I am willing to help (I’m a 
software architect by profession, and have experience with technologies like 
these for communities like these).

Best Regards,
Randy Stafford
S/V Grenadine
C 30-1 #7
Ken Caryl, CO

On Oct 26, 2017, at 10:54 AM, Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Stu, Thank you for what you do. No offense intended, but this is my perspective:
Mike,
I have lots of stuff on Google drives. This does not make it Google's property. 
This email list, in support of a brand of sailboats, is a Community of people 
who share a common passion. I personally do not think one person should own, 
control, and profit? from the experiences shared by many, for free, in support 
of a brand of sailboats we all love.
God forbid something happens to Stu, but if it did this list would evaporate 
unless there is a succession plan that I am unaware of. Stu does not own the 
intellectual property on this list and does not own any part or version of the 
actual C brand to my knowledge. If anything we should be sending money to Rob 
Ball, Cuthbertson's family, etc. for the designs they labored over and executed 
so well.
 Cloud storage is storage. That's all.
I have asked twice about what it costs to run the list. An answer hasn't been 
provided.
Thank you.

On Wed, Oct 25, 2017, 5:26 PM Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
This is stus list and moving to cloud may make it their list.

I have met people through this list that I have later met in person who are now 
friends. I have met people who I have never met in person who are friends  I 
have solved engine problems due to input from this list and learned that cows 
do better foredeck work than me. I have learned a lot.

This list is stus and we have all benefited. Moving to cloud makes it not stus. 
I am happy to support for all the c my family and i have owned or sailed on 
and the ones that are not c I believe strongly that this list is so good 
because of Stu

I also wonder if cows live on foredeck in Mexico

Mike Hoyt
The most consistent not currently c poster
The biggest interloper
One of the strongest believers in what Stu has built

1987 non c
Persistence
Out of the water today
Halifax, ns

From: CnC-List 
[cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com>] on behalf 
of Stu via CnC-List [cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>]
Sent: October 25, 2017 6:33 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc: Stu
Subject: Stus-List Fundraising results

Thank you one and all for your contributions to pay for the costs
associated with this list and the Photo Album.

Some of the bills are in and others come later in the year and I don't
know if they have increased. You have made it possible that I will not be
digging into my pockets as much as other years.

I know Cloud Storage and other facilities are available and maybe at a
cheaper cost.  But there will be a lot lost if we change providers at this
time.  And the time required to rebuild would not be somethi

Re: Stus-List Fundraising results

[Randy Stafford via CnC-List]

Kevin I don’t know what the exact numbers are, but I imagine these are the 
things Stu has to pay for to keep cncphotoalbum.com <http://cncphotoalbum.com/> 
and Stu’s List running:
* domain name registration
* hosting provider fees to host a website and a mail list server
* email account fees for email addresses at the domain name
* perhaps internet service provider fees to access all of the above

The above is just a guess.  Yes there is storage space required.  I’d guess the 
email list archives constitute the bulk of what is stored (the static content 
on the website is probably small by comparison).  But storage space is not the 
only consideration, and probably not the biggest consideration.

All of the above is what Stu is paying for out of the kindness of his heart, 
for the good of this community.  I would like to see the website and mail list 
continue whenever Stu throws in the towel, and I am willing to help (I’m a 
software architect by profession, and have experience with technologies like 
these for communities like these).

Best Regards,
Randy Stafford
S/V Grenadine
C 30-1 #7
Ken Caryl, CO

> On Oct 26, 2017, at 10:54 AM, Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List 
> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> 
> Stu, Thank you for what you do. No offense intended, but this is my 
> perspective:
> 
> Mike,
> 
> I have lots of stuff on Google drives. This does not make it Google's 
> property. This email list, in support of a brand of sailboats, is a Community 
> of people who share a common passion. I personally do not think one person 
> should own, control, and profit? from the experiences shared by many, for 
> free, in support of a brand of sailboats we all love. 
> 
> God forbid something happens to Stu, but if it did this list would evaporate 
> unless there is a succession plan that I am unaware of. Stu does not own the 
> intellectual property on this list and does not own any part or version of 
> the actual C brand to my knowledge. If anything we should be sending money 
> to Rob Ball, Cuthbertson's family, etc. for the designs they labored over and 
> executed so well. 
> 
>  Cloud storage is storage. That's all. 
> 
> I have asked twice about what it costs to run the list. An answer hasn't been 
> provided. 
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> 
> On Wed, Oct 25, 2017, 5:26 PM Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
> <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
> This is stus list and moving to cloud may make it their list.
> 
> I have met people through this list that I have later met in person who are 
> now friends. I have met people who I have never met in person who are friends 
>  I have solved engine problems due to input from this list and learned that 
> cows do better foredeck work than me. I have learned a lot.
> 
> This list is stus and we have all benefited. Moving to cloud makes it not 
> stus. I am happy to support for all the c my family and i have owned or 
> sailed on and the ones that are not c I believe strongly that this list is 
> so good because of Stu
> 
> I also wonder if cows live on foredeck in Mexico
> 
> Mike Hoyt
> The most consistent not currently c poster
> The biggest interloper
> One of the strongest believers in what Stu has built
> 
> 1987 non c
> Persistence
> Out of the water today
> Halifax, ns
> 
> From: CnC-List [cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com 
> <mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com>] on behalf of Stu via CnC-List 
> [cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>]
> Sent: October 25, 2017 6:33 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> Cc: Stu
> Subject: Stus-List Fundraising results
> 
> Thank you one and all for your contributions to pay for the costs
> associated with this list and the Photo Album.
> 
> Some of the bills are in and others come later in the year and I don't
> know if they have increased. You have made it possible that I will not be
> digging into my pockets as much as other years.
> 
> I know Cloud Storage and other facilities are available and maybe at a
> cheaper cost.  But there will be a lot lost if we change providers at this
> time.  And the time required to rebuild would not be something I want to
> do.
> 
> I cannot express my gratitude enough and I don't know how to say it other
> than "THANK YOU"
> 
> Stu
> 
> 
> ___
> 
> The bills have started coming in for the year 2018 and have gone up again.  
> October will be our fund raising month.  Please consider sending a small 
> contribution to help keep this list running.  Use PayPal to send contribution 
> --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray <https://www.paypal.me/stumurray>

Re: Stus-List Fundraising results

[Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List]

We lived through this discussion a long time ago at very great length. 
We do not need to re-litigate it again. We were all originally on a 
group hosted by Sailnet. Sailnet changed hands, and we were essentially 
left homeless. At that time, we had a long debate about where to go. 
Google really didn't exist then. The big player was Yahoo. There were a 
few other options, including staying with the new owners of Sailnet, 
even though they had dumped our archives. Having been burned badly by 
allowing someone else to host us, we were all very happy to have Stu 
provide us a stable home, where some outside bean-counter would never 
again have the option to exterminate us, and throw our content in the 
trash. Stu has done an amazing job all these years, and at one time 
mentioned that there was a succession plan in place. Anyone who thinks 
this is in any way a "business" for Stu should just go back out whatever 
door they came in. He has put an enormous amount of time and effort into 
keeping us together, and I would be shocked if the bottom line has not 
been a bit of red ink for him. Stu has formal arrangements for use of 
the official C material on his website and use of the logo for various 
items he occasionally makes available as modest fund raisers. The 
founders and principal players of the old C have expressed gratitude 
for Stu's efforts in keeping their legacy alive. Our old C's are also 
more saleable, and at a higher price, thanks to Stu's generous work.


Bill Bina


On 10/26/2017 12:54 PM, Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List wrote:


Stu, Thank you for what you do. No offense intended, but this is my 
perspective:


Mike,

I have lots of stuff on Google drives. This does not make it Google's 
property. This email list, in support of a brand of sailboats, is 
a Community of people who share a common passion. I personally do not 
think one person should own, control, and profit? from the experiences 
shared by many, for free, in support of a brand of sailboats we all love.


God forbid something happens to Stu, but if it did this list would 
evaporate unless there is a succession plan that I am unaware of. Stu 
does not own the intellectual property on this list and does not own 
any part or version of the actual C brand to my knowledge. If 
anything we should be sending money to Rob Ball, Cuthbertson's family, 
etc. for the designs they labored over and executed so well.


 Cloud storage is /storage/. That's all.

I have asked twice about what it costs to run the list. An answer 
hasn't been provided.


Thank you.


On Wed, Oct 25, 2017, 5:26 PM Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
> wrote:


This is stus list and moving to cloud may make it their list.

I have met people through this list that I have later met in
person who are now friends. I have met people who I have never met
in person who are friends  I have solved engine problems due to
input from this list and learned that cows do better foredeck work
than me. I have learned a lot.

This list is stus and we have all benefited. Moving to cloud makes
it not stus. I am happy to support for all the c my family and
i have owned or sailed on and the ones that are not c I believe
strongly that this list is so good because of Stu

I also wonder if cows live on foredeck in Mexico

Mike Hoyt
The most consistent not currently c poster
The biggest interloper
One of the strongest believers in what Stu has built

1987 non c
Persistence
Out of the water today
Halifax, ns
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Re: Stus-List Fundraising results

[Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List]

Stu, Thank you for what you do. No offense intended, but this is my
perspective:

Mike,

I have lots of stuff on Google drives. This does not make it Google's
property. This email list, in support of a brand of sailboats, is
a Community of people who share a common passion. I personally do not think
one person should own, control, and profit? from the experiences shared by
many, for free, in support of a brand of sailboats we all love.

God forbid something happens to Stu, but if it did this list would
evaporate unless there is a succession plan that I am unaware of. Stu does
not own the intellectual property on this list and does not own any part or
version of the actual C brand to my knowledge. If anything we should be
sending money to Rob Ball, Cuthbertson's family, etc. for the designs they
labored over and executed so well.

 Cloud storage is *storage*. That's all.

I have asked twice about what it costs to run the list. An answer hasn't
been provided.

Thank you.

On Wed, Oct 25, 2017, 5:26 PM Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
wrote:

> This is stus list and moving to cloud may make it their list.
>
> I have met people through this list that I have later met in person who
> are now friends. I have met people who I have never met in person who are
> friends  I have solved engine problems due to input from this list and
> learned that cows do better foredeck work than me. I have learned a lot.
>
> This list is stus and we have all benefited. Moving to cloud makes it not
> stus. I am happy to support for all the c my family and i have owned or
> sailed on and the ones that are not c I believe strongly that this list
> is so good because of Stu
>
> I also wonder if cows live on foredeck in Mexico
>
> Mike Hoyt
> The most consistent not currently c poster
> The biggest interloper
> One of the strongest believers in what Stu has built
>
> 1987 non c
> Persistence
> Out of the water today
> Halifax, ns
> 
> From: CnC-List [cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] on behalf of Stu via
> CnC-List [cnc-list@cnc-list.com]
> Sent: October 25, 2017 6:33 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Stu
> Subject: Stus-List Fundraising results
>
> Thank you one and all for your contributions to pay for the costs
> associated with this list and the Photo Album.
>
> Some of the bills are in and others come later in the year and I don't
> know if they have increased. You have made it possible that I will not be
> digging into my pockets as much as other years.
>
> I know Cloud Storage and other facilities are available and maybe at a
> cheaper cost.  But there will be a lot lost if we change providers at this
> time.  And the time required to rebuild would not be something I want to
> do.
>
> I cannot express my gratitude enough and I don't know how to say it other
> than "THANK YOU"
>
> Stu
>
>
> ___
>
> The bills have started coming in for the year 2018 and have gone up
> again.  October will be our fund raising month.  Please consider sending a
> small contribution to help keep this list running.  Use PayPal to send
> contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
>
> All contributions are greatly appreciated!
>
> ___
>
> The bills have started coming in for the year 2018 and have gone up
> again.  October will be our fund raising month.  Please consider sending a
> small contribution to help keep this list running.  Use PayPal to send
> contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
>
> All contributions are greatly appreciated!
>
___

The bills have started coming in for the year 2018 and have gone up again.  
October will be our fund raising month.  Please consider sending a small 
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--   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

All contributions are greatly appreciated!

Re: Stus-List Fundraising results

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

This is stus list and moving to cloud may make it their list.

I have met people through this list that I have later met in person who are now 
friends. I have met people who I have never met in person who are friends  I 
have solved engine problems due to input from this list and learned that cows 
do better foredeck work than me. I have learned a lot.

This list is stus and we have all benefited. Moving to cloud makes it not stus. 
I am happy to support for all the c my family and i have owned or sailed on 
and the ones that are not c I believe strongly that this list is so good 
because of Stu

I also wonder if cows live on foredeck in Mexico

Mike Hoyt
The most consistent not currently c poster
The biggest interloper 
One of the strongest believers in what Stu has built

1987 non c
Persistence
Out of the water today
Halifax, ns

From: CnC-List [cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] on behalf of Stu via CnC-List 
[cnc-list@cnc-list.com]
Sent: October 25, 2017 6:33 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Stu
Subject: Stus-List Fundraising results

Thank you one and all for your contributions to pay for the costs
associated with this list and the Photo Album.

Some of the bills are in and others come later in the year and I don't
know if they have increased. You have made it possible that I will not be
digging into my pockets as much as other years.

I know Cloud Storage and other facilities are available and maybe at a
cheaper cost.  But there will be a lot lost if we change providers at this
time.  And the time required to rebuild would not be something I want to
do.

I cannot express my gratitude enough and I don't know how to say it other
than "THANK YOU"

Stu


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October will be our fund raising month.  Please consider sending a small 
contribution to help keep this list running.  Use PayPal to send contribution 
--   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

All contributions are greatly appreciated!

___

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October will be our fund raising month.  Please consider sending a small 
contribution to help keep this list running.  Use PayPal to send contribution 
--   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

All contributions are greatly appreciated!

Re: Stus-List Fundraising results

[James Bibb via CnC-List]

Chuck…following through, did my funds arrive about a month ago? I’m assuming 
they went to the right place. 

I do not contribute much or as much as I’d like at times, to the conversation 
but I learn quite a bit and I enjoy the connection 

Thank you for your efforts. 

James Bibb

Darwin’s Folly 34-36R
Juneau, Alaska. 




> On Oct 25, 2017, at 1:33 PM, Stu via CnC-List  wrote:
> 
> Thank you one and all for your contributions to pay for the costs
> associated with this list and the Photo Album.
> 
> Some of the bills are in and others come later in the year and I don't
> know if they have increased. You have made it possible that I will not be
> digging into my pockets as much as other years.
> 
> I know Cloud Storage and other facilities are available and maybe at a
> cheaper cost.  But there will be a lot lost if we change providers at this
> time.  And the time required to rebuild would not be something I want to
> do.
> 
> I cannot express my gratitude enough and I don't know how to say it other
> than "THANK YOU"
> 
> Stu
> 
> 
> ___
> 
> The bills have started coming in for the year 2018 and have gone up again.  
> October will be our fund raising month.  Please consider sending a small 
> contribution to help keep this list running.  Use PayPal to send contribution 
> --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
> 
> All contributions are greatly appreciated!


___

The bills have started coming in for the year 2018 and have gone up again.  
October will be our fund raising month.  Please consider sending a small 
contribution to help keep this list running.  Use PayPal to send contribution 
--   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

All contributions are greatly appreciated!

Stus-List Fundraising results

[Stu via CnC-List]

Thank you one and all for your contributions to pay for the costs
associated with this list and the Photo Album.

Some of the bills are in and others come later in the year and I don't
know if they have increased. You have made it possible that I will not be
digging into my pockets as much as other years.

I know Cloud Storage and other facilities are available and maybe at a
cheaper cost.  But there will be a lot lost if we change providers at this
time.  And the time required to rebuild would not be something I want to
do.

I cannot express my gratitude enough and I don't know how to say it other
than "THANK YOU"

Stu


___

The bills have started coming in for the year 2018 and have gone up again.  
October will be our fund raising month.  Please consider sending a small 
contribution to help keep this list running.  Use PayPal to send contribution 
--   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

All contributions are greatly appreciated!