Re: [CGUYS] Taxes and good life
At 07:44 PM 2/6/2009, you wrote: Over time people have gotten better at working together in an organized if imperfect fashion. The cons/neocons call that big government. neocons want democracy but in the name of democracy their incompetence and religion beliefs have created anarcy. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] tomtom 510 died
sorry to interupt, but this really is computer related: my wife's tomtom 510 died a slow death. she tried to add a feature, and the only map that showed up was Guam(apparently a common problem). after she spent the day with it she gave up and called and got through to tomtom tech support. they told her to wipe the chip and reload. she did. now she got nothing on the tomtom. the software is on the chip. her software is around version 6.5. this is also a common problem. there must be a standard fix for a common problem. anyone else have the problem and get it fixed. she now cannot get through to tech support. __ regards jer * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Taxes and good life
Many of us religious types do not identify with their so-called religious beliefs. They claim religious underpinning but are not really religious. (Many folks who claim some religious belief are not truly active in churches. For every 100 who claim a church, only 40 really attend.) Stewart At 07:52 AM 2/7/2009, you wrote: neocons want democracy but in the name of democracy their incompetence and religion beliefs have created anarcy. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] tomtom 510 died
There should be a way for her to restore the maps on her Tom Tom. When I first got mine I hooked up and did a backup of the TomTom with TomTom and my system at home. Did she do this? The interface on the Computer should allow her to do a restore or something similar. (TomTom Home) Stewart At 07:54 AM 2/7/2009, you wrote: sorry to interupt, but this really is computer related: my wife's tomtom 510 died a slow death. she tried to add a feature, and the only map that showed up was Guam(apparently a common problem). after she spent the day with it she gave up and called and got through to tomtom tech support. they told her to wipe the chip and reload. she did. now she got nothing on the tomtom. the software is on the chip. her software is around version 6.5. this is also a common problem. there must be a standard fix for a common problem. anyone else have the problem and get it fixed. she now cannot get through to tech support. __ regards jer * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] OS X trojan
http://macdailynews.com/index.php/weblog/comments/19859/P50/ There is a link in that article to the fix in case anyone is interested. I know no one on this list would need it of course...but perhaps you have some mac friends who think their machines are bullet proof and are in need of it. MacDailyNews reports 20k machines infected, there is a link on the reddit front page that suggests it may be 50k. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] OS X trojan
I amazes me, though it probably should not, that people get hit by stuff like this. This sort of Trojan requires three layers of stupidity - first you have to download pirated software, then fail to thoroughly scan it, then you have to give pirated software admin authority to install. No system is safe against voluntary installation of suspect software. Matthew On Feb 7, 2009, at 11:14 AM, mike wrote: http://macdailynews.com/index.php/weblog/comments/19859/P50/ There is a link in that article to the fix in case anyone is interested. I know no one on this list would need it of course...but perhaps you have some mac friends who think their machines are bullet proof and are in need of it. MacDailyNews reports 20k machines infected, there is a link on the reddit front page that suggests it may be 50k. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Taxes and good life
As opposed to the world wide good liberal activists and supporters of liberation have done over the years. Pot, kettle, kettle, pot. Have fun knocking heads. Matthew On Feb 7, 2009, at 8:52 AM, gerald wrote: At 07:44 PM 2/6/2009, you wrote: Over time people have gotten better at working together in an organized if imperfect fashion. The cons/neocons call that big government. neocons want democracy but in the name of democracy their incompetence and religion beliefs have created anarcy. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Taxes and good life
On Feb 6, 2009, at 7:44 PM, Tom Piwowar wrote: Until very recently in our history few Americans would assume that if they failed at something government would back them up. This is plainly false. Going back 1000s of years history shows us people working together in an organized if imperfect fashion to solve common problems. Given that American history is fairly recent, what value is there in going back 1000's of years to demonstrate that government has existed? Read some colonial and expansion period American history, both political and cultural. You won't find many examples of people seeking government bail outs. Yes, government and the general citizenry collaborated on really big infrastructure (canals, railroads and such). Not so many government jobs programs. What you do see its lots of people working together in an organized if imperfect fashion - through their churches, abolitionist societies, service clubs, grange associations, and others. Why do you appear to assume that only government can serve as an organizing force? You are arguing for a brutal and savage world. Is that wise? No, I am not. The world is brutal, and parts of it quite savage. Free people can choose to be other than brutal and savage through voluntary cooperation of communities of interest outside of government's coercive powers. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Taxes and good life
On Feb 6, 2009, at 7:11 PM, Tom Piwowar wrote: And a principle enabler of that opportunity was a people unshackled by restraining government and class structures, free to make the most those opportunities through hard work. This is the concept of everyman as noble savage. No, this is the concept of the rights of man. That man is not a subject of a king bound to a station by birth, but responsible for their own destiny - imperfect, often selfish, but endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. You might recognize that last part. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Taxes and good life
Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: Many of us religious types do not identify with their so-called religious beliefs. They claim religious underpinning but are not really religious. Hence, the ironic speculations during the Bush years about who would Jesus torture or what would Jesus drive. Maybe you would also agree that there are millions of people who are not religious at all who are at least as virtuous as those who claim to have great faith. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Taxes and good life
Never said otherwise. Part of the problem with America and religion is that we have usually mixed up civil and religious righteousness. My faith group has always recognized a separation of the two. Christians who undercut and say you cant be as righteous as I am often are mixing up the two. I can't make you believe and have no desire beating you over the head with it. However I will not condemn the good you do. Everyone who does good is good. However that is talking on a civil level (or secular) I have often said I would much prefer to be judged by God than by Man. At least with God I know where I stand. Stewart At 11:59 AM 2/7/2009, you wrote: Maybe you would also agree that there are millions of people who are not religious at all who are at least as virtuous as those who claim to have great faith. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Daisy-chain wired/wireless hubs/routers?
I have an office with an 8-port Ethernet router on a broadband cable connection. I have been requested the ability to provide some wireless capability temporarily (for outside auditors). I have a spare 4-port wired/wireless Linksys broadband router, and I was wondering if I could daisy-chain the latter to the former by using a cross-over cable between one of the Ethernet ports on each unit. I know that I can daisy chain Ethernet hubs this way, but have not ever tried to do it with wireless (802.11a/b/g/n) connections. My other thought is to plug the wired/wireless into the broadband connection and then patch the 8-port hub into that. Before I start chasing the impossible dream, I was wondering if anyone had tried it or had any thoughts. Mike * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Daisy-chain wired/wireless hubs/routers?
I have an office with an 8-port Ethernet router on a broadband cable connection. I have been requested the ability to provide some wireless capability temporarily (for outside auditors). I have a spare 4-port wired/wireless Linksys broadband router, and I was wondering if I could daisy-chain the latter to the former by using a cross-over cable between one of the Ethernet ports on each unit. I know that I can daisy chain Ethernet hubs this way, but have not ever tried to do it with wireless (802.11a/b/g/n) connections. The hub part of your WiFi access port is nothing special. Wire it up like a regular hub/switch/router. Cross-over cables have been obsolete for years. The boxes should auto-sense the required settings and connect accordingly. You should discuss with your auditors that their request for WiFi will potenitally open your network to easy intrusion and broadcast your private information to everyone in the neighborhood. I'm amazed at how eaily auditors will trade their client's security for their own minor convenience. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Taxes and good life
No, this is the concept of the rights of man. That man is not a subject of a king bound to a station by birth, but responsible for their own destiny - imperfect, often selfish, but endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. You might recognize that last part. The guys who wrote that were establishing a GOVERNMENT. What's your point? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Taxes and good life
Given that American history is fairly recent, what value is there in going back 1000's of years Wow, jingoism in the extreme. History started some 200 years ago and nothing else counts. All I can do is sputter in disbelief. Why do you appear to assume that only government can serve as an organizing force? I never said only. It is one of many, and a very effective one. Why do you see government as a bogeyman? I have seen the government and it is us. Not scary at all. No, I am not. The world is brutal, and parts of it quite savage. Free people can choose to be other than brutal and savage through voluntary cooperation of communities of interest outside of government's coercive powers. No police, no fire department, no military, no food inspectors, etc. etc. Looks brutal and savage to me. Government is voluntary cooperation. You are free to move to any other locality with a government that you prefer. I already mentioned Somalia and Zimbabwe as possibilities. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Defrag or optimize OS 10.4 ?
I hear yays and nays about the need or wisdom in defragging or optimized OSX 10.4 hard drives? What's the collective thought here... and if so are there any free utilities for such? db * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Defrag or optimize OS 10.4 ?
I hear yays and nays about the need or wisdom in defragging or optimized OSX 10.4 hard drives? For normal files, OS X defrags as it goes. It won't defrag very large files (I don't know the threshold), but defragging is not the most efficient way to handle very large files. What problem are you tring to solve? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Defrag or optimize OS 10.4 ?
I thought it was 20 megs was the threshold? Not sure where I saw that, anyone can confirm? If that is, 20 is not large at all. On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: I hear yays and nays about the need or wisdom in defragging or optimized OSX 10.4 hard drives? For normal files, OS X defrags as it goes. It won't defrag very large files (I don't know the threshold), but defragging is not the most efficient way to handle very large files. What problem are you tring to solve? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- Make sure you support your local CarbonONset programs! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Windows Installation disk with new computer?
When buying a new computer, how can you tell whether it will come with the Windows installation disk? When I bought a computer from a screwdriver shop, it had an installation disk, which proved handy. I also bought an eMachines computer which didn't have it. Fortunately the need never arose. I am looking at product specifications on line without being able to determine this. Is this not a concern for most customers? What keywords should I look for? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Daisy-chain wired/wireless hubs/routers?
Most wireless routers can be set up to act as an Access point only and do no routing. This would be the preferred setting along with security WPA TKIP Along with the caveats that Tom and others mentioned it is not that difficult. Plug router in from port on hub to wan on router. Get into router view web, set security and then turn it into access point only. (Turns off DHCP) Stewart At 12:58 PM 2/7/2009, you wrote: I have an office with an 8-port Ethernet router on a broadband cable connection. I have been requested the ability to provide some wireless capability temporarily (for outside auditors). I have a spare 4-port wired/wireless Linksys broadband router, and I was wondering if I could daisy-chain the latter to the former by using a cross-over cable between one of the Ethernet ports on each unit. I know that I can daisy chain Ethernet hubs this way, but have not ever tried to do it with wireless (802.11a/b/g/n) connections. My other thought is to plug the wired/wireless into the broadband connection and then patch the 8-port hub into that. Before I start chasing the impossible dream, I was wondering if anyone had tried it or had any thoughts. Mike Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Windows Installation disk with new computer?
Two things you can do. Read very carefully the attached literature. Very often will say comes with media. Also consider the companies you buy from. Compaq/Hp may or may not include hard copies with computers. My wife's Compaq laptop did not. My Dell (and her new Dell ) did. Some of what we might call the lower end companies do not include media with their systems, you have to copy it off. (They usually come with a utility that will make recovery disks for you) If buying from a store, ask to open up one of the boxes to verify the inclusion of media. No media no buy! Stewart At 03:39 PM 2/7/2009, you wrote: When buying a new computer, how can you tell whether it will come with the Windows installation disk? When I bought a computer from a screwdriver shop, it had an installation disk, which proved handy. I also bought an eMachines computer which didn't have it. Fortunately the need never arose. I am looking at product specifications on line without being able to determine this. Is this not a concern for most customers? What keywords should I look for? Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Taxes and good life
As opposed to the world wide good liberal activists and supporters of liberation have done over the years. Where did this happen? The liberators I recall are mostly the cons overthrowing popularly elected governments in places like Iran [at least twice], Chile, Australia, Honduras, Cuba [remember Batista? He was our puppet], El Salvador, Nicaragua [at least 4x], Venezuela [cons failed], Panama [at least twice], and plenty more cons' targets. What liberals overthrew a government and deliberately made a worse situation for the people? Don't pretend that Castro was liberal--he's a nationalist who overthrew our Mafia-run puppet [my family made it out in time] then faced an unwarranted embargo, so give another example, please, or cut out this neocon propaganda. Betty * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Defrag or optimize OS 10.4 ?
I thought it was 20 megs was the threshold? Not sure where I saw that, anyone can confirm? If that is, 20 is not large at all. I have seen that on discussion lists, but not in any official source. OS X uses several means to fight fragmentation so maybe just focusing on defragging is missing the point. Apple gives several reasons why defragging is wasted effort here: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1375 However I have noticed that using Disk Warrior to rebuild the disk's *directory* does speed things up (sometimes a lot) and is much faster than defragging. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Windows Installation disk with new computer?
I know about Lenovo. No Windows install disk, but they come with a utility to burn restore disks from which you can rebuild your windows system. I.e. on a replaced or reformatted HD. Also, the Microcenter PowerSpec systems I've had (including present one) don't have one, but do include a DVD with a system rebuild capability. John Emmerling wrote: When buying a new computer, how can you tell whether it will come with the Windows installation disk? When I bought a computer from a screwdriver shop, it had an installation disk, which proved handy. I also bought an eMachines computer which didn't have it. Fortunately the need never arose. I am looking at product specifications on line without being able to determine this. Is this not a concern for most customers? What keywords should I look for? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Daisy-chain wired/wireless hubs/routers?
The office in question is our local little municipal building http://www.allamuchynj.org and the Ethernet wiring and router are only used for access to the Internet (Comcast gave us a free port in exchange for renewing their charter) - none of the individual PCs are set up for sharing - they don't even share printers. The other good news is that this office is out in the boonies - far from anything except a pasture. When I originally set the office up, it was all WiFi to save money on wiring. The connectivity was so poor (through concrete block walls) that we finally gave up, bit the financial bullet, and hardwired the offices. Based on past performance, I don't think we have to worry too much about warring. Thanks for the thoughts, Mike Tom Piwowar wrote: You should discuss with your auditors that their request for WiFi will potenitally open your network to easy intrusion and broadcast your private information to everyone in the neighborhood. I'm amazed at how eaily auditors will trade their client's security for their own minor convenience. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Windows Installation disk with new computer?
That is one of the reasons I like Dells. You get a disk for each thing installed on the system (except stuff you normally download) You get a windows disk, Works (if it came or office if you chose that) The Power DVD software, one with drivers etc. With my wife's laptop I ordered a business laptop and we got the Vista Disk (which we did not have installed) and an XP disk for the downgrade we did. Oh and it was the latest OS also (SP3) Stewart At 04:08 PM 2/7/2009, you wrote: I know about Lenovo. No Windows install disk, but they come with a utility to burn restore disks from which you can rebuild your windows system. I.e. on a replaced or reformatted HD. Also, the Microcenter PowerSpec systems I've had (including present one) don't have one, but do include a DVD with a system rebuild capability. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Defrag or optimize OS 10.4 ?
Yeah I hear that, DW is a great app. On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 3:06 PM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: However I have noticed that using Disk Warrior to rebuild the disk's *directory* does speed things up (sometimes a lot) and is much faster than defragging. -- Make sure you support your local CarbonONset programs! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Daisy-chain wired/wireless hubs/routers?
OK, I agree that I need to turn off DHCP on the slave router and give it a different ID from the master. But now you are suggesting that I go from the WAN port on the wired/wireless slave to an in port on the router. While that sounds logical, I am wondering if the electronics on the WAN port can deal hand off to the in port the router? Isn't the WAN port set up to deal with some kind of specialized connections handshake from the ISP's modem? (I am asking this out of ignorance.) Mike Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: Most wireless routers can be set up to act as an Access point only and do no routing. This would be the preferred setting along with security WPA TKIP Along with the caveats that Tom and others mentioned it is not that difficult. Plug router in from port on hub to wan on router. Get into router view web, set security and then turn it into access point only. (Turns off DHCP) Stewart At 12:58 PM 2/7/2009, you wrote: I have an office with an 8-port Ethernet router on a broadband cable connection. I have been requested the ability to provide some wireless capability temporarily (for outside auditors). I have a spare 4-port wired/wireless Linksys broadband router, and I was wondering if I could daisy-chain the latter to the former by using a cross-over cable between one of the Ethernet ports on each unit. I know that I can daisy chain Ethernet hubs this way, but have not ever tried to do it with wireless (802.11a/b/g/n) connections. My other thought is to plug the wired/wireless into the broadband connection and then patch the 8-port hub into that. Before I start chasing the impossible dream, I was wondering if anyone had tried it or had any thoughts. Mike * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Daisy-chain wired/wireless hubs/routers?
You can certainly cascade routers. My grandkids have done it at their house. I provided a wired router as a hardware firewall for the one computer in the house a long time ago. Then I bought my granddaughter a Lenovo notebook. She got a wireless router and plugged into a downstream port on the wired router. I have not inspected the installation to see exactly what was done. I would have put the wireless router plugged into the cable modem, and plugged the wired modem into the wireless one. That way, clients of the wired router have that hardware firewall between themselves and an wireless client. Fred Holmes At 01:58 PM 2/7/2009, Mike Sloane wrote: I have an office with an 8-port Ethernet router on a broadband cable connection. I have been requested the ability to provide some wireless capability temporarily (for outside auditors). I have a spare 4-port wired/wireless Linksys broadband router, and I was wondering if I could daisy-chain the latter to the former by using a cross-over cable between one of the Ethernet ports on each unit. I know that I can daisy chain Ethernet hubs this way, but have not ever tried to do it with wireless (802.11a/b/g/n) connections. My other thought is to plug the wired/wireless into the broadband connection and then patch the 8-port hub into that. Before I start chasing the impossible dream, I was wondering if anyone had tried it or had any thoughts. Mike * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Daisy-chain wired/wireless hubs/routers?
No. First off it is a switching port so knows how to handle the traffic. The output port on the hub will send a signal to the wan port on the router which is an IN port. When you turn it into an AP . It turns the hub part off thereby turning those ports off on it. A hub essentially manges the traffic to and from the server/router. The router routes the traffic to the modem. So a hub will send the traffic to the AP which in turn will manage the wireless traffic and send it back the same way. (If it is not an accurate portrayal please someone help. I am not a techy in those terms.) Stewart At 04:42 PM 2/7/2009, you wrote: OK, I agree that I need to turn off DHCP on the slave router and give it a different ID from the master. But now you are suggesting that I go from the WAN port on the wired/wireless slave to an in port on the router. While that sounds logical, I am wondering if the electronics on the WAN port can deal hand off to the in port the router? Isn't the WAN port set up to deal with some kind of specialized connections handshake from the ISP's modem? (I am asking this out of ignorance.) Mike Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: Most wireless routers can be set up to act as an Access point only and do no routing. This would be the preferred setting along with security WPA TKIP Along with the caveats that Tom and others mentioned it is not that difficult. Plug router in from port on hub to wan on router. Get into router view web, set security and then turn it into access point only. (Turns off DHCP) Stewart At 12:58 PM 2/7/2009, you wrote: I have an office with an 8-port Ethernet router on a broadband cable connection. I have been requested the ability to provide some wireless capability temporarily (for outside auditors). I have a spare 4-port wired/wireless Linksys broadband router, and I was wondering if I could daisy-chain the latter to the former by using a cross-over cable between one of the Ethernet ports on each unit. I know that I can daisy chain Ethernet hubs this way, but have not ever tried to do it with wireless (802.11a/b/g/n) connections. My other thought is to plug the wired/wireless into the broadband connection and then patch the 8-port hub into that. Before I start chasing the impossible dream, I was wondering if anyone had tried it or had any thoughts. Mike * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Windows Installation disk with new computer?
Screwdriver shops and vendors at the MarketPro shows here in the DC area sell new Dell computers. They come with installation discs for the OS and driver discs, etc. for a from scratch installation to a blank hard drive. At least they do if you ask, and they are quite willing to. If I were buying a complete computer over the web, I think I'd want to have some sort of phone conversation with the vendor, but maybe some vendors don't allow that?? Fred Holmes At 04:39 PM 2/7/2009, John Emmerling wrote: When buying a new computer, how can you tell whether it will come with the Windows installation disk? When I bought a computer from a screwdriver shop, it had an installation disk, which proved handy. I also bought an eMachines computer which didn't have it. Fortunately the need never arose. I am looking at product specifications on line without being able to determine this. Is this not a concern for most customers? What keywords should I look for? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Daisy-chain wired/wireless hubs/routers?
On Sat, 7 Feb 2009, Mike Sloane wrote: OK, I agree that I need to turn off DHCP on the slave router and give it a different ID from the master. But now you are suggesting that I go from the WAN port on the wired/wireless slave to an in port on the router. While that sounds logical, I am wondering if the electronics on the WAN port can deal hand off to the in port the router? Isn't the WAN port set up to deal with some kind of specialized connections handshake from the ISP's modem? (I am asking this out of ignorance.) The WAN port on most routers is just an ethernet connection, the same as the LAN ports. The modem (DSL, cable, etc.) makes the connection from ethernet to DSL or cable or whatever. You may encounter some routers which have some type of modem (cable or DSL) built-in. Now, you can hook up the WAN port from one router to the LAN port of another, but, in that case, you're setting up 2 separate networks. Let's say router A has its WAN connection to your internet connection. You have some computers (call them A1, A2, A3, etc.) connected to router A's LAN ports. Router B has its WAN port connected to a LAN port on router A, and some computers connected it to (wirelessly or wired) and we'll call them B1, B2, B3, etc. First of all, both A and B need to have their LANs set up with different IP ranges... if A is already using the 192.168.1.x range, then we should set up B to use something else, like 192.168.2.x. To use a different IP range, you need to change both the router's own IP address (on the LAN side) and change the IP addresses it hands out via DHCP. Once that's done, all computers can get to the internet, and B1 can get to A1, A2, etc. (same for B2, B3, etc.) but none of the A computers can access any of the B computers (with limited exceptions if you set up port forwarding). I haven't dealt with converting a router to an Access Point, as none of my Linksys routers at home have that capability. So, I can't comment on how that would work, if your routers have that option. I still think my original suggestion is the simplest. If you were worried about security, enabling encryption (WPA is better than WEP, but I use WEP at home) is a good idea. Just give the auditors the key, and when they leave you can turn off wireless, or just change the key. Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: Most wireless routers can be set up to act as an Access point only and do no routing. This would be the preferred setting along with security WPA TKIP Along with the caveats that Tom and others mentioned it is not that difficult. Plug router in from port on hub to wan on router. Get into router view web, set security and then turn it into access point only. (Turns off DHCP) Stewart At 12:58 PM 2/7/2009, you wrote: I have an office with an 8-port Ethernet router on a broadband cable connection. I have been requested the ability to provide some wireless capability temporarily (for outside auditors). I have a spare 4-port wired/wireless Linksys broadband router, and I was wondering if I could daisy-chain the latter to the former by using a cross-over cable between one of the Ethernet ports on each unit. I know that I can daisy chain Ethernet hubs this way, but have not ever tried to do it with wireless (802.11a/b/g/n) connections. My other thought is to plug the wired/wireless into the broadband connection and then patch the 8-port hub into that. Before I start chasing the impossible dream, I was wondering if anyone had tried it or had any thoughts. Mike * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- Vicky Staubly http://www.steeds.com/vicky/vi...@steeds.com * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Windows Installation disk with new computer?
Our cheap Compaq notebook didn't have install disks, but has a partition with all the data you need to create restore disks. The HP notebook didn't have install disks, although I think it was because it was the floor model--they lost the box, maybe the disks too. The tech at the store created a data partition with restore data for Vista Business, and I think he would have burned the disks if we asked him. So for both, you burn your own install/restore disks. Betty * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Windows Installation disk with new computer?
John Emmerling wrote: When buying a new computer, how can you tell whether it will come with the Windows installation disk? When I bought a computer from a screwdriver shop, it had an installation disk, which proved handy. I also bought an eMachines computer which didn't have it. Fortunately the need never arose. I am looking at product specifications on line without being able to determine this. Is this not a concern for most customers? What keywords should I look for? Stewart Marshall replied in part: If buying from a store, ask to open up one of the boxes to verify the inclusion of media. No media no buy! That is one of the reasons I like Dells. You get a disk for each thing installed on the system (except stuff you normally download) You get a windows disk, Works (if it came or office if you chose that) The Power DVD software, one with drivers etc. I thought that when you buy from a screwdriver shop, you're supposed to get a disk for everything installed on the system (except stuff you normally download). For example, if the shop doesn't give you Windows, the shop could be pirating. What gives? Michael Michael S. Altus, PhD, ELS Intensive Care Communications, Inc.(R) Biomedical Writing and Editing al...@intensivecarecomm.com www.intensivecarecomm.com * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Taxes and good life
Ever heard of liberation theology? Seen the news reports of all the delightful celebrities cozying up to left wing thugs and dictators? Idolizing the Viet Cong and NVA? Worshiping at the feet of the Sandanista's (and Ortega is at it again I hear)? I love the way you and Tom keep calling me a neo-con given that I am nothing of the sort. On Feb 7, 2009, at 4:53 PM, b_s-wilk wrote: As opposed to the world wide good liberal activists and supporters of liberation have done over the years. Where did this happen? The liberators I recall are mostly the cons overthrowing popularly elected governments in places like Iran [at least twice], Chile, Australia, Honduras, Cuba [remember Batista? He was our puppet], El Salvador, Nicaragua [at least 4x], Venezuela [cons failed], Panama [at least twice], and plenty more cons' targets. What liberals overthrew a government and deliberately made a worse situation for the people? Don't pretend that Castro was liberal-- he's a nationalist who overthrew our Mafia-run puppet [my family made it out in time] then faced an unwarranted embargo, so give another example, please, or cut out this neocon propaganda. Betty * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Daisy-chain wired/wireless hubs/routers?
OK, I agree that I need to turn off DHCP on the slave router and give it a different ID from the master. But now you are suggesting that I go from the WAN port on the wired/wireless slave to an in port on the router. While that sounds logical, I am wondering if the electronics on the WAN port can deal hand off to the in port the router? Isn't the WAN port set up to deal with some kind of specialized connections handshake from the ISP's modem? (I am asking this out of ignorance.) It gets confusing because the box offers a bunch of different functions. You can connect the box in several different ways and you can enable/disable the various functions. Every router has 2 sides, usually labeled WAN and LAN, but these names are only correct if the box is connected in the simplest way. I think it best to think of WAN as outside and LAN as inside. The LAN side usually has a bunch of ports and that is where you connect your inside network. The WAN side has just 1 port and you connect that to the outside. That outside could just be the rest of your bigger LAN. In that case inside is a subnet your have created. A subnet is a LAN that has a different range of IP addresses than the outside LAN. So the function of the router is to separate networks and control what passes from one network to the other. If you turn on the box's WiFi then that gets connected to the local side of the router too. If you ignore the WAN port, then the box is not being used as a router. It is just being used as a hub/switch. You will have only 1 network (no subnets). And the WiFi function is getting added to that 1 network. So if you have just 1 network you must have just one DHCP server and must be sude that the box you are adding does not also do DHCP. If you connect the new box vis its WAN port you have 2 networks (the main one and the subnet the router box is creating). Then you want both routers to provide DHCP. One per network. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Taxes and good life
Depends if you consider Communists liberal (and before anyone complains that I used those two words in the same sentence, the converse is NOT necessarily the case) Then we have Russia (yes, serfdom was terrible, but Stalin killed 30 million of his own people), China (the glorious Cultural Revolution), North Korea, Venezuela (we cons may have failed, but Chavez has become a dictator, no free press, no free speech), likewise Bolivia, and I would debate you on Cuba (only did OK until they lost the financial support of the USSR, and don't blame it all on the US embargo). Please give me an example where liberals did overthrow a government and replaced it with a democratic one along the lines of the western world. b_s-wilk wrote: As opposed to the world wide good liberal activists and supporters of liberation have done over the years. Where did this happen? The liberators I recall are mostly the cons overthrowing popularly elected governments in places like Iran [at least twice], Chile, Australia, Honduras, Cuba [remember Batista? He was our puppet], El Salvador, Nicaragua [at least 4x], Venezuela [cons failed], Panama [at least twice], and plenty more cons' targets. What liberals overthrew a government and deliberately made a worse situation for the people? Don't pretend that Castro was liberal--he's a nationalist who overthrew our Mafia-run puppet [my family made it out in time] then faced an unwarranted embargo, so give another example, please, or cut out this neocon propaganda. Betty * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Taxes and good life
Please give me an example where liberals did overthrow a government and replaced it with a democratic one along the lines of the western world. Velvet Revolution, Czechoslovakia. Pretty much the same thing happened in other countries after the collapse of the Soviet Union. Thank you Ronald Reagan. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
