Re: [CGUYS] Evil people [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability]
My son is going through the same disappointment with his new car want. A Chevy Camaro, fully loaded is something he can afford, but the insurance will kill him. I asked if the seats lay all the way back so he could sleep in his car. Insurance pricing is a joke. And the tort reform argument I think is also garbage. Kind of like the shop owner asking the thugs why he has to pay $100 more a month for protection. The thugs answer being, bullets and gasoline and bribes don't come cheap these days. Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net Join my Mafia http://apps.facebook.com/inthemafia/status_invite.php?from=550968726 On Mar 1, 2010, at 6:19 AM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: My youngest talks of the cars he would like to own, and given the right circumstances could pay for. (He is in college, but also the national guard bringing in a regular income.) Every car he would like to own, would be affordable except for insurance. He could pay for the car, but the insurance would bankrupt him. (Or in this case me.) So it always lurks there in the background. Over the past few years we have dropped the number of full time clergy. Largest reason cited why a church no longer has a full time pastor? Cant afford the insurance benefits. Stewart At 08:07 AM 3/1/2010, you wrote: A friend of mine who was an OB in Pennsylvania said the insurance was so bad he moved to another state. Imagine the costs of starting or buying a new practice and you can think of what the insurance must cost to make it worth doing. Those costs get passed on. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Evil people [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability]
Fred, I'll be needing $10 from you, and all your friends, and their friends friends. But don't worry, I promise to think like you and we'll get that nasty bill crushed. Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net Join my Mafia http://apps.facebook.com/inthemafia/status_invite.php?from=550968726 On Mar 1, 2010, at 8:58 AM, Fred Holmes wrote: At 11:18 AM 3/1/2010, b_s-wilk wrote: After all, it's immoral to profit from others' illnesses and misfortunes, so why do many health health insurance executives have multi-million dollar salaries and benefits, and insurance companies have billion dollar profits? Let's do [some of] the math on this one. The other day the CEO of one of the health insurers said before Congress that she received $10M in compensation, something like $1M in salary and $9M in stock options. More or less. Well if it's a major medical insurer, surely it has 10 million policyholders in a country of 300 million citizens. So it cost about $1 per policyholder to pay the CEO compensation package? Even if it were $10, that's not much. And if the CEO makes the organization of that size work well, I would think that she's worth it. Huge enterprises are very difficult to make work well. So the government wants to trade in ten(? or more) insurance companies for one huge organization that covers everybody, and pay the CEO of that how much? Fred Holmes * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Evil people [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability]
After being absent for a few days I really should read ahead before replying to old posts. Below pretty much covers my thoughts. Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net Join my Mafia http://apps.facebook.com/inthemafia/status_invite.php?from=550968726 On Mar 1, 2010, at 8:18 AM, b_s-wilk wrote: Fred Holmes escribió: And I'm sure you're not one of those uneducated who will bring up the lack of tort reform as a reason for high insurance costs. So how much does liability insurance / damage claims add to the cost of healthcare? As a percentage of overall costs? The main problem with high insurance costs for consumers is that medical practitioners are not policing themselves, and states don't police them either until too many patients are harmed. In too many cases, incompetent doctors who maim or kill patients, and bad hospitals, are still in business when they should be shut down and have medical licenses taken away. That could reduce insurance costs for everybody. However, when Republicans talk about tort reform, they want to limit the ability of patients who have been injured due to medical incompetence to have their cases ineligible for hearings or trials. This injures more patients without solving the problem, while also hurting the lawyers who file legitimate cases, in effect, further denying coverage in multiple ways. Tort reform in the US is a euphemism for keeping Democratic lawyers from helping injured patients, solely because they're not Republican. The liability and damage claims as a percentage of overall costs is less than 5%. The biggest health insurance cost to consumers from private for-profit companies is overhead--which is about 2-3% for Medicare, around 10% for private non-profits, and 20-30% for the for-profit companies. The for-profit companies made bad investments and raised premiums to make up for that, too. So tort reform makes minimal difference when compared to having nonprofit health insurance. After all, it's immoral to profit from others' illnesses and misfortunes, so why do many health health insurance executives have multi-million dollar salaries and benefits, and insurance companies have billion dollar profits? That's what causes high premiums, not a trumped up need for tort reform. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] What's the name of that Firefox Ad-on?
what is a user agent? what does user agent mean? On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 6:22 PM, chad evans wyatt cewyattph...@yahoo.comwrote: .. et sous le pont d'Avignon, l'on y danse.. Many thanks, John! --- On Wed, 3/3/10, John Settle john_j_set...@yahoo.com wrote: From: John Settle john_j_set...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [CGUYS] What's the name of that Firefox Ad-on? To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Date: Wednesday, March 3, 2010, 5:58 PM On 3/3/2010 4:16 PM, chad evans wyatt wrote: Ditto, Betty - Went to the Mozilla page, no mention of masking. Hi Chad, Found it! Here's a link to User Agent Switcher Add-on https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/59 -- Sous le ciel tout étoilé John Settle Personal Webpage: Urban Astro Images http://home.comcast.net/%7Ejjs-cts/ * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- Judy * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Evil people [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability]
On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 2:48 AM, Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net wrote: My son is going through the same disappointment with his new car want. A Chevy Camaro, fully loaded is something he can afford, but the insurance will kill him. Damn right. My auto insurance just went up by $146 for a six month period because the other designated driver on that policy got a parking ticket. She got the ticket for parking along the side of a road where there were signs saying No Parking. That much is not in dispute and she takes responsibility for that offense. However, because the ticket was written by the county sheriff as Failure to Obey a Highway Sign, said offense is considered a moving violation because the state of Virginia allows auto insurance companies to classify any and all tickets written thusly to be classified as moving violations be they actually that or not. The state provides for auto insurance companies to lump all sorts of tickets into One Size Fits All categories, turning many tickets that are issued for violations wherein the ticketed vehicle is actually static and unmoving into moving violations which serve as a basis for being allowed to ramp up premium costs. Non-moving violations do not cause increases in premiums. Can you see the BS game being played here? Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Twist in school spying scandal
Many parents in the Lower Merion School District where the school spying situation unfolded are opposed to any legal action being taken against the county and some want any investigations into the incidents to be terminated. Why? They all have but one reason. Money. They are saying that any legal action against the school district, even just an investigation, will cause the county to have to spend money to defend itself and therefore result in higher taxes to cover those costs. Parents meet to slam Lower Merion spy-cam suit Singer and the more than 100 other parents who attended a strategy session last night at Narberth Borough Hall say they want nothing to do with a class-action suit that could end up costing the district millions of dollars in legal fees and court costs. We're the ones that are going to have to pay the freight at the end of the day, said Michael Boni, a parent who helped organize last night's meeting through the Web site lmsdparents.org. We are also unhappy that this is a distraction for the students. The fact that it's garnered as much local, regional and national press as it has is nothing that the parents want. It makes no sense to me. It's like I'm suing myself, said Jamie Singer, whose son and daughter attend the high school. http://tinyurl.com/ybvlv8m Sheeple! Imagine if black folks had adopted such an attitude toward legal actions initiated on their behalf and in their interest to end Jim Crow laws. Oh, I don't want to fight against these segregation laws here in the county because it'll just cost me more in taxes in the long run, not to mention a few more bumps on my head. Can't we just let it be and learn how to continue to live with it, maybe even come to like it? Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] What's the name of that Firefox Ad-on?
On 3/4/2010 7:23 AM, Judy Cosler wrote: what is a user agent? what does user agent mean? Hi Judy, See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_agent * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] What's the name of that Firefox Ad-on?
Quoting Judy Cosler jfcos...@gmail.com: what is a user agent? what does user agent mean? Don't panic. It's just the way web browsers identify themselves. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Twist in school spying scandal
That's a bit of a reach considering these were free laptops handed out with specific instructions leading one to know the cams could be used at any time. I don't recall anything like that happening during Jim Crow. I'm with the parents. You can't accept a free tool and then sue because it came with strings attached. Now, if a retailer were selling these things and said absolutely nothing about camera monitoring, that would be different. If anything, they should sue the students who weren't bright enough not to tape over the cameras before doing stupid stuff in front of them. Just for being dumb and making us all come to meetings. On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 8:25 AM, phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.comwrote: Imagine if black folks had adopted such an attitude toward legal actions initiated on their behalf and in their interest to end Jim Crow laws. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] What's the name of that Firefox Ad-on?
At 7:23 AM -0500 3/4/10, Judy Cosler wrote: what is a user agent? what does user agent mean? A user agent is also know as the client, as in client-server. When surfing the web, there are two ends to the conversation: the client or user agent, which is your browser (Firefox, Safari, Opera, Internet Explorer), and the server, which is the program running at the other end, at the www.somewebsite.com name. The server program will usually be a software package named Apache, for example, or IIS, which is Microsoft's web server software. There are others, but those are the Big Two. The browser, or user agent, identifies itself to the server upon initial contact. It is this identification that this discussion is about. You can fib to the server and say you are Safari when you are Firefox, for example. -- Roger Lovettsville, VA * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Twist in school spying scandal
So your neighbor gives you a laptop...two weeks later you learn he had installed a remote program on the laptop and has been watching your 13 year old daughter in her room. Your answer is to go yell at your daughter that she should have taped the cam? Interesting. On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 8:05 AM, Tony B ton...@gmail.com wrote: That's a bit of a reach considering these were free laptops handed out with specific instructions leading one to know the cams could be used at any time. I don't recall anything like that happening during Jim Crow. I'm with the parents. You can't accept a free tool and then sue because it came with strings attached. Now, if a retailer were selling these things and said absolutely nothing about camera monitoring, that would be different. If anything, they should sue the students who weren't bright enough not to tape over the cameras before doing stupid stuff in front of them. Just for being dumb and making us all come to meetings. On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 8:25 AM, phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.com wrote: Imagine if black folks had adopted such an attitude toward legal actions initiated on their behalf and in their interest to end Jim Crow laws. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Evil people [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability]
On Mar 4, 2010, at 2:38 AM, Jeff Miles wrote: So on the face of it, how friggen greedy do they have to get before someone starts calling foul? Especially when it's your and my money? When the government gets money to pay for the common defense and promote the general welfare they cry foul. When greedy corporations get money for outlandish bonuses and wild parties that's perfectly fine. Haven't you been paying attention? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] What's the name of that Firefox Ad-on?
On Mar 4, 2010, at 10:03 AM, Roger D. Parish wrote: The browser, or user agent, identifies itself to the server upon initial contact. It is this identification that this discussion is about. You can fib to the server and say you are Safari when you are Firefox, for example. The reason you have to have the browser lie is that some WFBs code their web pages to refuse any user agent that is not from M$. When you do lie you often find out that the web page works perfectly fine. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Twist in school spying scandal
On Mar 4, 2010, at 8:25 AM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: It makes no sense to me. It's like I'm suing myself, said Jamie Singer, whose son and daughter attend the high school. If a delivery person robs a bank while driving their delivery route does the delivery company get prosecuted? Don't sue the school district. Prosecute the people who did the deed. They should not be allowed to hide behind the school district. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] What's the name of that Firefox Ad-on?
Of course, if they lie about one thing they probably lie about others, which is why we can't just poll people to find out what types of computers they're using. BTW, if anyone cares, I'm responsible for about 14 PCs now, but only 5 of them connect to the internet. On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 11:38 AM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: The reason you have to have the browser lie is that some WFBs code their web pages to refuse any user agent that is not from M$. When you do lie you often find out that the web page works perfectly fine. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Twist in school spying scandal
If I was dumb enough to take a free laptop from my neighbor and not wipe the drive before giving it to my pubescent daughter then I would sue *myself *for being too stupid to have procreated. On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 11:15 AM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: So your neighbor gives you a laptop...two weeks later you learn he had installed a remote program on the laptop and has been watching your 13 year old daughter in her room. Your answer is to go yell at your daughter that she should have taped the cam? Interesting. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Twist in school spying scandal
On 3/4/2010 11:33 AM, tjpa wrote: Don't sue the school district. Prosecute the people who did the deed. They should not be allowed to hide behind the school district. Hear! Hear ! Well said. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Evil people [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability]
On 3/4/2010 11:27 AM, tjpa wrote: When the government gets money to pay for the common defense and promote the general welfare they cry foul. When greedy corporations get money for outlandish bonuses and wild parties that's perfectly fine. To take a quote from an AIG exec out of context when the possibility of not getting his bonus was brought up: They (Politicians)only care about the next election, just like we only care about the next bonus. Well, none of them cares about the country, none of us cares about the institution, he said, adding: They really don't care, and I really don't care. And frankly, if a trillion dollars gets lost, fine. RTFA @ *http://tinyurl.com/yhvwsmq* * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] What's the name of that Firefox Ad-on? / Don't Panic
On 3/4/2010 9:58 AM, Reid Katan wrote: Don't panic. It's just the way web browsers identify themselves. Sorry, didn't mean to scare anybody. I was not 100% sure I understood what a user agent was myself. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Twist in school spying scandal
On 03/04/2010 01:48 PM, John Settle wrote: Don't sue the school district. Prosecute the people who did the deed. They should not be allowed to hide behind the school district. Hear! Hear ! Well said. You are supposing that the school district wasn't responsible for the actions of its employees and contractors in this situation. For example, why did the laptops have the commercial equivalent of Adeona if not as part of employees attempting to protect the property and rights of the school district? The other problem is that we don't know for example if said laptops were reported missing or stolen, or if an employee entered the wrong data for a particular laptop, and that laptop's camera was activated. Incidentally note that if for example laptop a1 was listed as going to Art Clemons and instead someone else got said laptop, if Art Clemons suddenly reports his laptop stolen or missing, then there would be a valid reason in the minds of school officials for activating the camera at least temporarily if done in the name of recovering a laptop. I also suggest that some folks were applauding the catching of stupid criminals with similar software not all that long ago. Finally, I note that people still consider me paranoid because I won't have a camera attached to a computer I'm using if I can at all avoid it. I even have voided warranties to disable cameras in 2 laptops. I know all too well how easy it is to activate a camera remotely. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] What's the name of that Firefox Ad-on?
On Mar 4, 2010, at 12:24 PM, Tony B wrote: Of course, if they lie about one thing they probably lie about others, which is why we can't just poll people to find out what types of computers they're using. BTW, if anyone cares, I'm responsible for about 14 PCs now, but only 5 of them connect to the internet. We hope you manage to get the rest of them fixed. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Twist in school spying scandal
On Mar 4, 2010, at 2:16 PM, Art Clemons wrote: You are supposing that the school district wasn't responsible for the actions of its employees and contractors in this situation. Despite what the wing nuts at the Supreme Court would have you believe, the school district is not a person. It does not have the ability to reason. It does not know about good and evil. That is the province of people who work for the school district. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Evil people [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability]
On Mar 4, 2010, at 1:54 PM, John Settle wrote: They (Politicians)only care about the next election, just like we only care about the next bonus. Well, none of them cares about the country, none of us cares about the institution, he said, adding: They really don't care, and I really don't care. And frankly, if a trillion dollars gets lost, fine. That is evil. I think this exec is projecting their own evil intent onto others. Very few people go into politics in order to get rich and even fewer of those succeed. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Evil people [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability]
As a municipal official (elected to town council of a very small town), that garbage makes my blood boil. The town pays me well under $1,000 per year. I file for election with the state election board and stand every four years. I am honored to serve with others who may disagree at times, but are watching out for the town's best interests at all times. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- To take a quote from an AIG exec out of context when the possibility of not getting his bonus was brought up: They (Politicians)only care about the next election, just like we only care about the next bonus. Well, none of them cares about the country, none of us cares about the institution, he said, adding: They really don't care, and I really don't care. And frankly, if a trillion dollars gets lost, fine. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Evil people [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability]
When I lived in Canada, all local elections were party free. In other words you ran against you competitor not a party. Some states and municipalities do this also. This I think makes true what you are saying. I find most (I limit that) elected officials to be interested in their fellow man and their municipality. Occasionally you run into some real wing nuts (Try local politics in southern Alabama) and they are just idiots with an agenda. But for the most part they are concerned citizens like you. But once you get into state and national politics they start moving the other way. Stewart At 04:09 PM 3/4/2010, you wrote: As a municipal official (elected to town council of a very small town), that garbage makes my blood boil. The town pays me well under $1,000 per year. I file for election with the state election board and stand every four years. I am honored to serve with others who may disagree at times, but are watching out for the town's best interests at all times. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- To take a quote from an AIG exec out of context when the possibility of not getting his bonus was brought up: They (Politicians)only care about the next election, just like we only care about the next bonus. Well, none of them cares about the country, none of us cares about the institution, he said, adding: They really don't care, and I really don't care. And frankly, if a trillion dollars gets lost, fine. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Twist in school spying scandal
Art Clemons On 03/04/2010 01:48 PM, John Settle wrote: Don't sue the school district. Prosecute the people who did the deed. They should not be allowed to hide behind the school district. Hear! Hear ! Well said. You are supposing that the school district wasn't responsible for the actions of its employees and contractors in this situation. For example, why did the laptops have the commercial equivalent of Adeona if not as part of employees attempting to protect the property and rights of the school district? I don't think this is going to go away, I believe the FBI has been called in, child porn?? -- Take care | This clown speaks for himself, his job doesn't Wayne D. | supply this, at least not directly Part-time musicians are semiconductors * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Twist in school spying scandal
On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 10:05 AM, Tony B ton...@gmail.com wrote: I'm with the parents. You can't accept a free tool and then sue because it came with strings attached. Eh, the school board never told the parents about any strings attached. The school system never revealed the fact that those cameras would or could be activated remotely. This fact has been verified by the school system, but they have yet to explain why this important piece of information was never provided to parents. If anything, they should sue the students who weren't bright enough not to tape over the cameras before doing stupid stuff in front of them. Do you have your camera taped over, assuming your computer has one. What about the microphone? So, you think that it is advisable for people to just let authorities get away with violations of our rights to privacy if the alternative might cause taxes to increase or property values to decline? Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Evil people [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability]
On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 6:26 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall revsamarsh...@earthlink.net wrote: But once you get into state and national politics they start moving the other way. Yeah, well that is where they start getting onto the REAL money, the kind of money that makes the risks truly worthwhile. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Twist in school spying scandal
On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 6:40 PM, Wayne Dernoncourt way...@panix.com wrote: I don't think this is going to go away, I believe the FBI has been called in, child porn?? I don't think that porn is going to be involved in this case. The Lower Merion School District is an extremely well heeled entity operating in an extremely well heeled community of mega McMansions. The School District has been quite controversial in the past, particularly in their manner of administration. It is said that the school system is run like a large corporation, with a haughty and arrogant board of directors that accepts little input from the parents of school children. The school administrators have admitted to some amount of disrespect that they have shown to parents and students of color in recent years. The school system administration is predominantly comprised of lawyers, not educators. The recent movement to put a stop to any lawsuit against the school system as related to the use of those webcams was initiated by and is being led by two lawyers who are also elected officials of the county where the school system operates. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Twist in school spying scandal
The question is: Why don't *you* consider yourself paranoid? Or are you actually doing something in front of the camera that's even remotely interesting? And why void a warranty when a little piece of tape will work? Or are you concerned there's a way to remove your tape remotely? :) On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 2:16 PM, Art Clemons artclem...@aol.com wrote: Finally, I note that people still consider me paranoid because I won't have a camera attached to a computer I'm using if I can at all avoid it. I even have voided warranties to disable cameras in 2 laptops. I know all too well how easy it is to activate a camera remotely. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Twist in school spying scandal
If anything, they should sue the students who weren't bright enough not to tape over the cameras before doing stupid stuff in front of them. Stupid stuff? The student was eating Mike Ike candy. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Twist in school spying scandal
Hey good stuff almost as good as a drug and just as addictive. Stewart At 06:38 PM 3/4/2010, you wrote: If anything, they should sue the students who weren't bright enough not to tape over the cameras before doing stupid stuff in front of them. Stupid stuff? The student was eating Mike Ike candy. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Twist in school spying scandal
Does anyone else feel that it is a reasonable expectation of privacy that a school provided laptop won't have the camera turned on remotely to watch little girls and boys in their bedrooms? I don't think anyone on this list would ever even have the thought to do such thing, doesn't it make you wonder the types of people running this school that they had no trouble at all allowing adults to do this? These people are without morals and ethics, I agree don't sue the school, but go after every one of these admin officials who is involved. On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 5:38 PM, Chris Dunford seed...@gmail.com wrote: If anything, they should sue the students who weren't bright enough not to tape over the cameras before doing stupid stuff in front of them. Stupid stuff? The student was eating Mike Ike candy. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Twist in school spying scandal
If I were those worried parents, I would start a movement to prevent the school from using any taxpayer money to defend themselves. That is the rip-off, not the class action lawsuit. It doesn't help anyone in that school district to pay lawyers. -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Twist in school spying scandal
On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 7:38 PM, Chris Dunford seed...@gmail.com wrote: Stupid stuff? The student was eating Mike Ike candy. Correct, and that act was regarded by the school as evidence that the student was both using drugs as well as planning to distribute them. Who was the stupid party here? That student and his parents have asked that a copy of the photo taken of him eating the candy be provided to them, but thus far the school system has not done so. They did show the student a copy of the photo back in November of 2009 when he was called to the office of the school principal. His parents were also consulted at or about that time, and decided back then to put the issue to rest after seemingly convincing the school that they were Mike Ike candies, not drugs. However, in January of 2010, the parents found out that the school had not dropped the issue, and that a report about drug use by their child as caught on camera remained in the student's file and had even been updated to reflect suspected drug activity and contained no mention of the meeting with the parents where it had been made clear that no drugs had been involved. Upon this revelation, and the refusal of the school to purge that data from their file on the student, the parents decided to take the actions that have transpired. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Twist in school spying scandal
To be honest there is still too little information being released for anyone to make a good solid opinion on. 1.) Did they inform the students that their activity could be monitored under limited circumstances (Lost notebooks or similar) At this point that does not seem the case, so there was no informed consent. 2.) Was the laptop that the student was supposed to have been monitored on, a loaner in that he had lost his laptop or it was stolen? I saw a comment that this was the case. If so what caused the laptop's webcam to be turned on? 3.) What paperwork, phone call etc. was given to the Vice Principal to cause her to call the student into her office? Again the VP has alleged that she did not cause the webcam to be turned on. 4.) What has not been ascertained yet, or not publicized is who authorized turning the webcam on and for what reason. But the first item is crucial. If they did not give informed consent of being able to turn these webcams on in certain circumstances they are liable for invasion of privacy. I am not a lawyer nor do I play one but I spent the night in a Holiday Inn Express. Stewart At 06:50 PM 3/4/2010, you wrote: Does anyone else feel that it is a reasonable expectation of privacy that a school provided laptop won't have the camera turned on remotely to watch little girls and boys in their bedrooms? I don't think anyone on this list would ever even have the thought to do such thing, doesn't it make you wonder the types of people running this school that they had no trouble at all allowing adults to do this? These people are without morals and ethics, I agree don't sue the school, but go after every one of these admin officials who is involved. On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 5:38 PM, Chris Dunford seed...@gmail.com wrote: If anything, they should sue the students who weren't bright enough not to tape over the cameras before doing stupid stuff in front of them. Stupid stuff? The student was eating Mike Ike candy. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Twist in school spying scandal
On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 7:50 PM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: I agree don't sue the school, but go after every one of these admin officials who is involved. Yeah, but there is more to the lawsuit as well as to the story than just the spying that took place. A lawsuit is also often a means of getting at information that is not forthcoming, as in this situation. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Twist in school spying scandal
At this point a lot of discovery needs to be done by the parents lawyers seeking to find all the unanswered questions at this point. Should be interesting when we find out all the information. By the way it is after discovery that the Judge can dismiss defendants from the case if it is shown that they were not involved. That is why in many lawsuits you will 20 defendants listed and then after a period of discovery there will be a number of them dismissed from the case so that maybe half a dozen or less finally see the court room. Stewart At 07:49 PM 3/4/2010, you wrote: On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 7:50 PM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: I agree don't sue the school, but go after every one of these admin officials who is involved. Yeah, but there is more to the lawsuit as well as to the story than just the spying that took place. A lawsuit is also often a means of getting at information that is not forthcoming, as in this situation. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Twist in school spying scandal
On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 8:43 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net wrote: To be honest there is still too little information being released for anyone to make a good solid opinion on. Thus, one of the reasons for the lawsuit. 1.) Did they inform the students that their activity could be monitored under limited circumstances (Lost notebooks or similar) At this point that does not seem the case, so there was no informed consent. There was no informed consent, at least as far as informing the parents is concerned. The school system has admitted to this. 2.) Was the laptop that the student was supposed to have been monitored on, a loaner in that he had lost his laptop or it was stolen? I saw a comment that this was the case. If so what caused the laptop's webcam to be turned on? 3.) What paperwork, phone call etc. was given to the Vice Principal to cause her to call the student into her office? Again the VP has alleged that she did not cause the webcam to be turned on. There is no claim that the VP had any role in the decision to turn on the camera in the student's laptop. The VP held a press conference wherein she railed against all the allegations that claimed she had authorized the surveillance of the student in question. Actually, there had been no such allegations made against her at all, and the fact that she held a press conference to denounce non-existent allegations puzzled a lot of people. The VP showed a photo of the student to the student, and also presumably showed it to the parents of the student. It is presumed that she got the photo from the tech staff who were in charge of remotely activating those webcams. But again, the school system has been mostly circling the wagons, providing little or no light on the situation. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Twist in school spying scandal
I don't live there so all we are seeing are the sound bytes that the newsies show. Sounds like there is a lot of stuff going on back and forth. She (the VP) has probably been named and that is why she spoke out. I really wish we would see more of this story as it plays out but I bet we will not see much after the sensationalism is gone. Stewart At 08:12 PM 3/4/2010, you wrote: There is no claim that the VP had any role in the decision to turn on the camera in the student's laptop. The VP held a press conference wherein she railed against all the allegations that claimed she had authorized the surveillance of the student in question. Actually, there had been no such allegations made against her at all, and the fact that she held a press conference to denounce non-existent allegations puzzled a lot of people. The VP showed a photo of the student to the student, and also presumably showed it to the parents of the student. It is presumed that she got the photo from the tech staff who were in charge of remotely activating those webcams. But again, the school system has been mostly circling the wagons, providing little or no light on the situation. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Recommendation for laptop computer advice sought
a friend of mine who is an IT consultant say nix on Dells. PLUS my Dell laptop of 18 months old just totally died! from what you say, why not a Netbook? On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 10:26 PM, Robert Carroll carrollcompu...@gmail.comwrote: This listserv is so oriented towards social issues, I am almost afraid to ask a computer question. But, here goes: I have always had a PC with Windows, if I exclude the Apple IIe computer. I have never owned or used a laptop, only a desktop. I think now that I need to buy a laptop because wife has decided to use the desktop many hours a day for her new-found hobby of photography: this leaves me without access to a computer, particularly the internet or other simple tasks. If I get a laptop I will need a simple cheap one only since wife goes to sleep early, thereby freeing the desktop computer. Starting with the Dell web site, I find that a laptop with: Processor Intel TM 6600 Duo, 2.2 GHz, 800 MHz bus, 2 MB cache Memory 4GB 800 MHz RAM 500 GB 5400 RPM hard drive 6-cell battery Intel Link 5100 N wireless modem 8X CD/DVD burner (dual layer) costs $659 before shipping. Questions: Is this laptop a good choice? Is it a good price? Are there other brands or options that I ought to consider? Specially: I want good performance at the cheapest price. I am very stingy by nature! === P.S. Please don't say to buy a Mac laptop instead of a Windows machine. I bought my daughter a MacBook Pro and she likes it very well, but I am more comfortable with a Windows OS because I already have a large number of Windows programs that I can install on a laptop, plus I don't want to start a new personal learning curve to use the Mac -- i.e., sharing data between computer might be hard -- and I want to go cheap(!!) to buy a laptop. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- Judy * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Recommendation for laptop computer advice sought
You forgot to tell us what you want to do. A netbook is great for email and websurfing- but not number crunching. I avoid Dell AT ALL COSTS. But, first we need to know what you want to do. Eschew Obfuscation This is a reply from: Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A. Financial, Managerial, and Technical Services for the Professional, Non-Profit, and the Entrepreneurial Organization 703.548.1343 voice 703.783.1340 fax From thinking to doing, from sales to profits, from tax to investments- we are YOUR adjuvancy -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:computerguy...@listserv.aol.com] On Behalf Of Robert Carroll Sent: 03/04/2010 10:26 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: [CGUYS] Recommendation for laptop computer advice sought This listserv is so oriented towards social issues, I am almost afraid to ask a computer question. But, here goes: I have always had a PC with Windows, if I exclude the Apple IIe computer. I have never owned or used a laptop, only a desktop. I think now that I need to buy a laptop because wife has decided to use the desktop many hours a day for her new-found hobby of photography: this leaves me without access to a computer, particularly the internet or other simple tasks. If I get a laptop I will need a simple cheap one only since wife goes to sleep early, thereby freeing the desktop computer. Starting with the Dell web site, I find that a laptop with: Processor Intel TM 6600 Duo, 2.2 GHz, 800 MHz bus, 2 MB cache Memory 4GB 800 MHz RAM 500 GB 5400 RPM hard drive 6-cell battery Intel Link 5100 N wireless modem 8X CD/DVD burner (dual layer) costs $659 before shipping. Questions: Is this laptop a good choice? Is it a good price? Are there other brands or options that I ought to consider? Specially: I want good performance at the cheapest price. I am very stingy by nature! === P.S. Please don't say to buy a Mac laptop instead of a Windows machine. I bought my daughter a MacBook Pro and she likes it very well, but I am more comfortable with a Windows OS because I already have a large number of Windows programs that I can install on a laptop, plus I don't want to start a new personal learning curve to use the Mac -- i.e., sharing data between computer might be hard -- and I want to go cheap(!!) to buy a laptop. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Recommendation for laptop computer advice sought
That's an okay deal. But here's a better one: Dellhttp://www.fatwallet.com/redirect/bounce.php?afsrc=1mid=14722401url=http://www.dell.com/Studio 17 Laptop Intel Pen Dual Core T4300 2.1GHz, 17 Win 7 Prem $399 ($377 w/ DPA) + $13 S/H Of course, if you add enough stuff (4gb ram, bigger hard drive) to this one it could end up costing as much as the other one. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Evil people [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability]
Actually this is pretty easy. Just accuse them of some impropriety with a student. Of course if someone gets caught lying about something like this I hope they not only get prison time but also sued for most of what they're worth. Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net Join my Mafia http://apps.facebook.com/inthemafia/status_invite.php?from=550968726 On Mar 2, 2010, at 7:40 AM, mike wrote: Much harder to get rid of this guy under government health care than free market health care...just look at how hard it is to fire teachers. On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 5:57 AM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) mark.sny...@ngc.com wrote: The way this country privatizes everything seems to provide a perverse incentive for doctors inclined to profit as their primary motive. A 'specialist' I went to a couple years ago sent me to get expensive diagnostic scans, x-rays and MRI. When I went for follow-up, he could not find the x-rays. He insisted I needed an outpatient surgery, but got angry when I asked him to discuss it, alternatives and why he thought surgery was necessary. He acted indignant and I got disgusted and told him I would not be coming back. I could not shake the impression that he just wanted to get paid for surgery he would not explain to me. I got well and never did the surgery. I will never go back to that jerk. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- I was writing about over supply and low utilization rates. I don't see how you can fairly leap from that to an insurer murdering its customers to save money. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Evil people [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability]
On Mar 4, 2010, at 7:16 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: Yeah you really have to wonder why someone would blow 5 million $ running for an office that only pays just over $150.000 a year. And in the case of congress they do it every two years. Usually OPM -- Other People's Money. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] UNIX Help -- Command Line Stuff
The following was suggested to me for a cron job to delete old emails
from a spam folder. I don't completely understand the syntax at the
end of the line.
find /home/user/mail/domain/email/.spam -type f +mtime 30 -exec rm -f
'{}' \;
should not +mtime 30 be -mtime +30
What does '{}' (quote lbrace rbrace quote) mean?
What does the \ at the end mean?
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Re: [CGUYS] Twist in school spying scandal
Despite what the wing nuts at the Supreme Court would have you believe, the school district is not a person. It does not have the ability to reason. It does not know about good and evil. That is the province of people who work for the school district. Unfortunately, we are stuck with the holdings of the Supreme Court. If people could be sued individually for actions taken on behalf of a corporation, corporations couldn't have a viable workforce. Lower Merion's school district also isn't technically a corporation but a governmental entity. Incidentally it gets real tricky when discussing the US Postal Service in this regard. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
