Re: [libreoffice-design] Mime Type Icons Redesign Proposal
Stuart, I did some alternatives for the template icon and I would like to know what do you and others think about it. https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Pj-template-icon-2015-11-13-v1.png On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 11:42 AM, Paulo José Amaro <paul...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Samuel. Actually I did try a simple approach on this issue: > https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Pj-document-icon-2015-11-13-v1.png > https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Pj-document-icon-2015-11-13-v2.png > > > On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 6:33 AM, Samuel Mehrbrodt <samuel.mehrbr...@cib.de > > wrote: > >> Hi Paulo, >> >> I like your icons. Others might judge them better since I'm not a >> designer. >> But still I have one request: As Andy Latty wrote a few days ago on this >> list, the "generic" LibreOffice icon doesn't look very nice. >> Others feel the same about that icon. Maybe you have an idea how to >> improve that? Someone told me, that icon should look so that you actually >> *want* to click on it. Obviously currently it doesn't. >> >> So if you have any ideas/designs for that, that would be most welcome :) >> >> Thanks >> Samuel >> >> Von: Paulo José Amaro <paul...@gmail.com> >> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 12. November 2015 21:22 >> An: Bastián Díaz >> Cc: Adolfo Jayme Barrientos; design@global.libreoffice.org >> Betreff: Re: [libreoffice-design] Mime Type Icons Redesign Proposal >> >> Just finished the 132 icons for the main applications and templates: 11 >> unique icons in 6 sizes (16, 32, 48, 64, 96, and 128 px) and 2 versions of >> color (default and high contrast). I included the new sizes of 64px and >> 96px because they are common today in most OS's (i.e. default icon in >> Nautilus are now 64, 96 and 128 px). >> >> Default color: >> >> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/7/7d/Pj-icons-2015-11-6-v2-default-dark.png >> High contrast: >> >> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/e/eb/Pj-icons-2015-11-6-v2-high-contrast-dark.png >> >> Cheers >> >> On Sat, Nov 7, 2015 at 4:25 PM, Bastián Díaz < >> diaz.bast...@openmailbox.org> >> wrote: >> >> > >> > El 07-11-2015 14:08, Adolfo Jayme Barrientos escribió: >> > >> > A gripe that I always had >> >> with the current LibreOffice icons is that document icons are not >> >> visually different from the application icons. >> >> >> >> Parabéns! >> >> Adolfo >> >> >> > >> > I share with you their appreciation. In this regard I have two >> suggestions. >> > - Commonly in GNU/Linux systems are previews of LibreOffice files. >> > Therefore, it is not so significant. >> > - I think the mime type icons must be handled by the icon theme used in >> > the system. For themes icons Breeze and Adwaita, there are icons for >> mime >> > type and "share design" with the icon theme included in LibreOffice. For >> > other OS, they may include the mime type icons corresponding to the >> default >> > theme in LO. >> > >> > The idea is that these will always be generic icon (For the ability to >> > open legacy files in LO). >> > >> > Cheers >> > >> > --- >> > Bastián Díaz >> > https://telegram.me/diazbastian >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Paulo José O. Amaro >> >> -- >> To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org >> Problems? >> http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ >> Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >> List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ >> All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be >> deleted >> >> -- >> To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org >> Problems? >> http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ >> Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >> List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ >> All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be >> deleted >> >> > > > -- > Paulo José O. Amaro > -- Paulo José O. Amaro -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Mime Type Icons Redesign Proposal
Hi Samuel. Actually I did try a simple approach on this issue: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Pj-document-icon-2015-11-13-v1.png https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Pj-document-icon-2015-11-13-v2.png On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 6:33 AM, Samuel Mehrbrodt <samuel.mehrbr...@cib.de> wrote: > Hi Paulo, > > I like your icons. Others might judge them better since I'm not a designer. > But still I have one request: As Andy Latty wrote a few days ago on this > list, the "generic" LibreOffice icon doesn't look very nice. > Others feel the same about that icon. Maybe you have an idea how to > improve that? Someone told me, that icon should look so that you actually > *want* to click on it. Obviously currently it doesn't. > > So if you have any ideas/designs for that, that would be most welcome :) > > Thanks > Samuel > > Von: Paulo José Amaro <paul...@gmail.com> > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 12. November 2015 21:22 > An: Bastián Díaz > Cc: Adolfo Jayme Barrientos; design@global.libreoffice.org > Betreff: Re: [libreoffice-design] Mime Type Icons Redesign Proposal > > Just finished the 132 icons for the main applications and templates: 11 > unique icons in 6 sizes (16, 32, 48, 64, 96, and 128 px) and 2 versions of > color (default and high contrast). I included the new sizes of 64px and > 96px because they are common today in most OS's (i.e. default icon in > Nautilus are now 64, 96 and 128 px). > > Default color: > > https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/7/7d/Pj-icons-2015-11-6-v2-default-dark.png > High contrast: > > https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/e/eb/Pj-icons-2015-11-6-v2-high-contrast-dark.png > > Cheers > > On Sat, Nov 7, 2015 at 4:25 PM, Bastián Díaz <diaz.bast...@openmailbox.org > > > wrote: > > > > > El 07-11-2015 14:08, Adolfo Jayme Barrientos escribió: > > > > A gripe that I always had > >> with the current LibreOffice icons is that document icons are not > >> visually different from the application icons. > >> > >> Parabéns! > >> Adolfo > >> > > > > I share with you their appreciation. In this regard I have two > suggestions. > > - Commonly in GNU/Linux systems are previews of LibreOffice files. > > Therefore, it is not so significant. > > - I think the mime type icons must be handled by the icon theme used in > > the system. For themes icons Breeze and Adwaita, there are icons for mime > > type and "share design" with the icon theme included in LibreOffice. For > > other OS, they may include the mime type icons corresponding to the > default > > theme in LO. > > > > The idea is that these will always be generic icon (For the ability to > > open legacy files in LO). > > > > Cheers > > > > --- > > Bastián Díaz > > https://telegram.me/diazbastian > > > > > > -- > Paulo José O. Amaro > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > deleted > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > deleted > > -- Paulo José O. Amaro -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Mime Type Icons Redesign Proposal
Just finished the 132 icons for the main applications and templates: 11 unique icons in 6 sizes (16, 32, 48, 64, 96, and 128 px) and 2 versions of color (default and high contrast). I included the new sizes of 64px and 96px because they are common today in most OS's (i.e. default icon in Nautilus are now 64, 96 and 128 px). Default color: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/7/7d/Pj-icons-2015-11-6-v2-default-dark.png High contrast: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/e/eb/Pj-icons-2015-11-6-v2-high-contrast-dark.png Cheers On Sat, Nov 7, 2015 at 4:25 PM, Bastián Díaz <diaz.bast...@openmailbox.org> wrote: > > El 07-11-2015 14:08, Adolfo Jayme Barrientos escribió: > > A gripe that I always had >> with the current LibreOffice icons is that document icons are not >> visually different from the application icons. >> >> Parabéns! >> Adolfo >> > > I share with you their appreciation. In this regard I have two suggestions. > - Commonly in GNU/Linux systems are previews of LibreOffice files. > Therefore, it is not so significant. > - I think the mime type icons must be handled by the icon theme used in > the system. For themes icons Breeze and Adwaita, there are icons for mime > type and "share design" with the icon theme included in LibreOffice. For > other OS, they may include the mime type icons corresponding to the default > theme in LO. > > The idea is that these will always be generic icon (For the ability to > open legacy files in LO). > > Cheers > > --- > Bastián Díaz > https://telegram.me/diazbastian > -- Paulo José O. Amaro -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-design] Mime Type Icons Redesign Proposal (w/ links)
Hi everyone, Some years ago (2011) I did help the redesign of the mime type icons, just adding some effects to the original ones created mainly by Christoph Noack. More in https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Paulojose Since then I've been away from the LibreOffice design team, but today I had a feeling to resume my contribution work and to create a new version for these icons that I love so much. I tried to keep them close to the old ones in terms of shape and elements, just adapting some forms, colors, and the overall style. Above row are application icons, and below the template icons. Against a dark and a light background: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/e/e4/Mime_Type_Icons_Redesign_Proposal_2015-11-06_v1_Dark_BG.png https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/b/b0/Mime_Type_Icons_Redesign_Proposal_2015-11-06_v1_Light_BG.png Sorry if it's not appropriate for the current development time, I just wanna share it with you and put myself available to work again on the design team if you want me to. ^_^ Best Regards! -- Paulo José O. Amaro -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Mime Type Icons Redesign Proposal (w/ links)
Thank you Bastián. Please reload the image*, *I just added the Math icon. On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 10:24 PM, Bastián Díaz <diaz.bast...@openmailbox.org> wrote: > Wow. > > I hope this redesign is accepted by the design team for the 5.1 release. > Is awesome. > > --- > BASTIÁN DÍAZ > https://telegram.me/diazbastian > > El 06-11-2015 21:16, Paulo José Amaro escribió: > > Hi everyone, >> >> Some years ago (2011) I did help the redesign of the mime type icons, just >> adding some effects to the original ones created mainly by Christoph >> Noack. >> More in https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Paulojose [1] >> >> Since then I've been away from the LibreOffice design team, but today I >> had >> a feeling to resume my contribution work and to create a new version for >> these icons that I love so much. I tried to keep them close to the old >> ones >> in terms of shape and elements, just adapting some forms, colors, and the >> overall style. >> >> Above row are application icons, and below the template icons. Against a >> dark and a light background: >> >> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/e/e4/Mime_Type_Icons_Redesign_Proposal_2015-11-06_v1_Dark_BG.png >> [2] >> >> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/b/b0/Mime_Type_Icons_Redesign_Proposal_2015-11-06_v1_Light_BG.png >> [3] >> >> Sorry if it's not appropriate for the current development time, I just >> wanna share it with you and put myself available to work again on the >> design team if you want me to. ^_^ >> >> Best Regards! >> -- >> Paulo José O. Amaro >> > > > Links: > -- > [1] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Paulojose > [2] > https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/e/e4/Mime_Type_Icons_Redesign_Proposal_2015-11-06_v1_Dark_BG.png > [3] > https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/b/b0/Mime_Type_Icons_Redesign_Proposal_2015-11-06_v1_Light_BG.png > -- Paulo José O. Amaro -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Mime Type Icons Redesign Proposal (w/ links)
@Bastián I did these 128px versions as a conceptual proposal to discussion, but I'm available to keep going and redo another icons, or any design talks I'm able to. When you say "complete set", did you talk about redo all the interface icons? Because I like the current ones ( http://blog.goranrakic.com/2013/05/try_the_new_flat_icon_set_for_libreoffice.html). I'm thinking about creating all these https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOffice_Initial_Icons-pre_final.svg On Sat, Nov 7, 2015 at 12:48 AM, Bastián Díaz <diaz.bast...@openmailbox.org> wrote: > > El 06-11-2015 22:48, Paulo José Amaro escribió: > > Thank you Bastián. Please reload the image_, _I just added the Math icon. >> >> > @Paulo > > Thank you for your work. > > I have a question. Is this a conceptual proposal or are working on the > complete replacement (16x16, 24x24, 32x32, etc.)? > > I have seen the workflow of design mailing list, and the team is busy > improving usability aspect and graphics (especially completing the set of > tango icons, breeze, etc.) among other things. > > I think it would be great if you could present a complete set, it would be > easier to try and adopt it in LibreOffice, from my point of view is what > was missing to complete the renewal of the release of version 5. > > Cheers > > --- > Bastián Díaz > https://telegram.me/diazbastian > -- Paulo José O. Amaro -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-design] Mime Type Icons Redesign Proposal
Hi everyone, Some years ago (2011) I did help the redesign of the mime type icons, just adding some effects to the original ones created mainly by Christoph Noack. Since then I've been away from the LibreOffice design team, but today I had a feeling to resume my contribution work and to create a new version for these icons that I love so much. I tried to keep them close to the old ones in terms of shape and elements, just adapting some forms, colors, and the overall style. Sorry if it's not appropriate for the current development time, I just wanna share it with you and put myself available to work again on the design team if you want me to. ^_^ Best Regards! -- Paulo José O. Amaro -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-design] Re: Mime Type Icons Redesign Proposal
I forgot to mention: Above are the application icons. Below are the template icons. The icons are the same in the two imagens. On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 8:06 AM, Paulo José Amaro <paul...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi everyone, > > Some years ago (2011) I did help the redesign of the mime type icons, just > adding some effects to the original ones created mainly by Christoph Noack. > > Since then I've been away from the LibreOffice design team, but today I > had a feeling to resume my contribution work and to create a new version > for these icons that I love so much. I tried to keep them close to the old > ones in terms of shape and elements, just adapting some forms, colors, and > the overall style. > > Sorry if it's not appropriate for the current development time, I just > wanna share it with you and put myself available to work again on the > design team if you want me to. ^_^ > > Best Regards! > > -- > Paulo José O. Amaro > -- Paulo José O. Amaro -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Mime Type Icons Redesign Proposal
Hi Michel, I forgot about it, thank you for reply. Above row are application icons, and below the template icons. Against a dark and a light background: On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 10:33 AM, Michel RENON <re...@mr-consultant.net> wrote: > Hi Paulo, > > Le 06/11/2015 11:06, Paulo José Amaro a écrit : > >> Hi everyone, >> >> Some years ago (2011) I did help the redesign of the mime type icons, just >> adding some effects to the original ones created mainly by Christoph >> Noack. >> >> Since then I've been away from the LibreOffice design team, but today I >> had >> a feeling to resume my contribution work and to create a new version for >> these icons that I love so much. I tried to keep them close to the old >> ones >> in terms of shape and elements, just adapting some forms, colors, and the >> overall style. >> >> Sorry if it's not appropriate for the current development time, I just >> wanna share it with you and put myself available to work again on the >> design team if you want me to. ^_^ >> >> Best Regards! >> >> > the mailing list doesn't accept attachments. > Can you upload your icons in the wiki ? > > Cheers, > Michel > > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > deleted > -- Paulo José O. Amaro -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-design] Sorry
Hi everybody,
First all, I'm sorry for have being away from here the last month. This was
a very busy time for me in my university. I'm sure this list can keep going
totally well without my contribution, but maybe some emails can stay waiting
my response and I'm sad about to have to say that I'm not replying them.
But now my situation is a little more complicated. My computer (laptop) is
definitely broken by superheating and then I'm unable to access internet and
any computer from home, but just here in the university. So until I can
solve this issue, I'm absenting myself from these discussions. :_{
Thank to all for understanding my position. By the way, I'm very proud to
see our icons featured on the Ubuntu official page! Did you see that?
http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/features/office-applications. Congratulations,
guys!
~Paulo
Paulo José O. Amaro
Computer Science student / UFSJ-MG-Brazil
Webdesigner / Linked E.J.
Design / LibreOffice
Blogger / CasaTwain.com
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Re: [libreoffice-design] Status Bar changes
Hi Christoph, all Sorry for replying too late - also this is not the actual reply. But I need to tell something bad... I don't know how, but my notebook's ethernet board just busted, so I'm unable to access Internet from home, but just from University - and my time here will be bery limited until I repare this [big] problem. :-( By now, thank you very very very much for doing these additions and I'll be back with a appropriate reply. I hope soon! :-P -- Paulo José O. Amaro Computer Science student / UFSJ-MG-Brazil Webdesigner / Linked E.J. Design / LibreOffice Blogger / CasaTwain.com 2011/3/16 Christoph Noack christ...@dogmatux.com Hi Paulo, all! Cool - thanks for the excellent stuff :-) I'm trying to add a bit more information for those who might be interested. Am Dienstag, den 15.03.2011, 21:42 -0300 schrieb Paulo José Amaro: By the way, I finally started the wiki page about this: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Writer_Status_Bar_Remaking I've a doubt about the Remaking, so if this word can be replaced by another one more appropriated, don't think twice) I felt free to add a section to the wiki page that deals with: * Specifications that deal with the current status bar items * Help documents that explain the current behavior * Ideas that have been collected within the community (or that I knew of previous discussions with the OOo UX team members) http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Writer_Status_Bar_Remaking#Requirements.2C_Specifications_and_Improvements Maybe this helps to e.g. reconsider some more items being only visible in certain cases. And if not, it nicely shows the complexity of the status bar topic ;-) Being unable to do more (today), that's it. Cheers, Christoph -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] [VOTE] Design task: LibreOffice Motif
Nik's Scatter +1 - Paulo -- Paulo José O. Amaro Computer Science student / UFSJ-MG-Brazil Webdesigner / Linked E.J. Design / LibreOffice Blogger / CasaTwain.com 2011/3/20 ol klaus-jürgen weghorn o...@sophia-louise.de Hi Nik, Am 19.03.2011 06:01, schrieb Nik: Hi guys, So the Design phase for the Motif proposals has just expired, thanks heaps to anyone that participated in the discussion and the proposals. I've put together a list of all the candidates from the proposals accumulated on the Motif page; http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Motif as mentioned in a previous Email, we will vote on this Mailing list (because it is presumably convenient for all who are registered here, and aren't on the wiki) and I will collate the results on the above Wiki page (http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Motif#Voting). The voting concludes midnight this Sunday (GMT). To vote for you preferred proposal, scan the above page quickly so you get a feeling for all the proposals, then, add a +1 yourname next to the proposal of your choice. For example, here is a fake poll filled out by John; EXAMPLE PROPOSALS Red proposal Blue proposal, +1 John Green proposal It would help a lot if you only replied to this original Email instead of a reply posted by other members, so there is no confusing quoted votes (in case people omit their name). So without further ado, here are our beautiful finalists; *MOTIF DESIGN PROPOSALS;* --- Christoph's Triangle patterns +1 k-j Christoph's Large motif Daniel's Overlapping coloured circles Daniel's Remix of the repeating triangles Ivan's Interweaved diagonals Nik's MessyStack Nik's OpenBook Nik's ApplicationCorners Nik's DocumentFlower Nik's FoldedPage Nik's Scatter Tobias' Triangle patchwork pattern -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] [VOTE] ligatures in the logo
Same here, B. Although, it's just because the kerning seems to be out of place without the other proposed changes, sadly. I think I'll not do help with that (and probably be counter-productive), but my personal taste is still for C [1]. ~Paulo [1] - http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/cgi_img_auth.php/f/f1/LogoImprovementStep2.png -- Paulo José O. Amaro Estudante de Ciência da Computação / UFSJ Webdesigner / Linked E.J. Blogueiro / CasaTwain.com 2011/3/15 Johannes Bausch johannes.bau...@gmail.com Yes, to be honest, I don't like that half-broken ligature either. Maybe I really should only do something about the kerning. 2011/3/15 Daniel Merker daniel.mer...@wayne.edu My vote: B Why: It seems that the other option is employing a style that isn't consistent across the entire logo; moreover, it doesn't seem to match anything else. -Daniel Merker On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 6:48 PM, Bernhard Dippold bernh...@familie-dippold.at wrote: Hi Joey, all I think we manage to finalize this task soon - great work, Joey! Johannes Bausch schrieb: Hey, following your discussion I added another draft - which is rather a step backward, but I see that the connected ligature is your main concern. If I understand the comments right, some people feel more comfortable with the distinct characters. In fluent text they probably would not have even mentioned the difference (except the more balanced general visual impression), but in comparison with the present logo they felt different. Thanks for taking these thoughts into account and to present a compromise containing all the other tiny modifications you included in order to create an improved visual impression. [...] I compared your last proposal with the current logo here: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Logo_ligature.png (force reload) If anybody wants to be pointed to the differences, please have a look at Joey's userpage in the wiki (I won't provide the link here, but you'll find it). For me it is much more important to compare the general impression rather than the tiny modifications. So I ask you to vote on this comparison: Which logo is more balanced and expresses better the feelings we want to be associated with LibreOffice? And if you prefer the present logo: Should we include the other modifications except the ffi in the old logo? Best regards Bernhard PS: I don't vote now, because some people might look at the image already with my voting in mind which might influence their decision... -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Status Bar changes
Hi Christoph, all, 2011/3/14 Christoph Noack christ...@dogmatux.com [...] Oh, I have to thank you ... it's pure fun to see that much of the old stuff can be useful (at the end). No doubt it is terrible when great ideas get lost by the times... I'm glad you did restore these icons from the past. Oh, that can be solved. We already have word count functionality in Writer, but it is rather unusable ... it presents the result in a modal dialog. Grrr. Actually? Never mind... (-: So it seems to make the development work to add it to status bar a lot easier! From my point-of-view, it is not required to count the words instantly ... there is no issue in waiting for several hundred milliseconds until we can be sure the user is idling. Concerning the latter, I think most of the time people writing text is spend on thinking but typing. So we just have to make sure that it is clear to the user that the word count is incorrect (if LibO is re-counting). I'm not sure, but I think Word works the same ... Example: black532 Characters (Document)/black ... user starts typing ... gray532 Characters (Document)/gray ... user stops typing ... ... system is re-calculating ... black561 Characters (Document)/black [...] You're right at all. It is not required to do instantly. Actually it could be easy to be implemented, so I'll include it in the step 2 of remaking of Status Bar. It's great! :-D By the way, I finally started the wiki page about this: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Writer_Status_Bar_Remaking I've a doubt about the Remaking, so if this word can be replaced by another one more appropriated, don't think twice) [...] Definitively a god idea, but I think there is no need to hurry. Instead, all, please also support Nik's work on the motif creation (I'm hoping that somebody is compensating my lacking involvement *g*). Oh... I'm not confident about it. I think I'm not the right person to help on the motif task. At least to creating a proposal. But I'm giving my comments and suggestions soon I can. [...] Someone know a easy way to upload the HTML code and change it in a collaborative way (Like Etherpad or Google Docs was to text)? [...] Phew, I don't know ... anybody? So... I did no discovers about how to do that. Then I choosed to use Dropbox, so I can share the folder with everyone that want to help editing the HTML and make proposals, in meantime showing the page to everyone publicly. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5107072/HTML%20mockups/Status-Bar-HTML-Version-Step-1.html Just to remember: It's just HTML and CSS, so if someone could help me with javascript (jQuery if it's possible) to improve menus and mplement state changes, I'll be glad! Now the next step is evaluating Status Bar items. I'll do some user tests here in university to validate the new item arrangement and make it justifiable from UX POV. *Bernhard*, I'd like to ask your help here, if you'll have time. But no hurry at all. :-D Have a great week, Design gentlemen, ~Paulo -- Paulo José O. Amaro Estudante de Ciência da Computação / UFSJ Webdesigner / Linked E.J. Blogueiro / CasaTwain.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Mockup : Margin resizing
Hi all, 2011/3/14 Christoph Noack christ...@dogmatux.com [...] To pour in some more ideas (by other people), please have a look what Andreas once made: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Proposal_by_Andreas_Schuderer#Direct_Manipulation_and_Mouse_Gestures Guys, it's amazing to see such involvement! THIS + Sylvian's idea would be INSANE! I think this would be one of the best features I ever seen in an office suite. You could include these ideas in the HTML/javascritp mock-up, then we could receive user feedback directly. I'm sure it would give good results. I can help with quick users tests. Cheers, ~Paulo -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: More general stuff
Hi Christoph, all, On 10-03-2011 20:22, Christoph Noack wrote: Hi Paulo, hi Hillar, all! Am Donnerstag, den 10.03.2011, 10:52 -0300 schrieb Paulo José: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Renaissance/Design_Proposals_for_%E2%80%9CAccessing_Functionality%E2%80%9D#Design_Proposals_Submitted Wow, This is full of love! What did happen to these guys and their ideas? Where are they? :O Great stuff, isn't it? We did this Design Proposal Session for Renaissance - and this has been an amazing time, since I had the chance to work with the guys at Hamburg for a few days within their office when we prepared this effort. Pretty much fun! Cool! Really Cool! :-D It must has been a great experience! Concerning the what did happen to these guys. Well, some of those are on this mailing list (which I'm really happy about). And to some, who stopped activities concerning OOo some time ago, I've send an invitation mail ... part of the first Kick-Off step named Send Invitation to Interested Parties. Unfortunately, only very few replied :-\ Well, I wish they come back to home to keep doing all this good work. The ideas: Some of them went into the Renaissance prototype that got famous for (people thought so) re-implementation of the Ribbon / Fluent concept by Microsoft. Unfortunately, many tiny but great ideas had to be postponed, because OOo wasn't ready yet ... so you may find stuff like the Keyboard Command Invocation that is pretty similar to your mockup once to be found at OMG Ubuntu: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Proposal_by_Andreas_Schuderer#Keyboard_Command_Invocation Yeah, it's a Blender proposal too, actually already implemented. As well the circular menu. So personally, I consider this collection still a great resource to think about interaction improvements - it had been mostly created by the community. If you look more closely, the major concepts are very similar ... but the real potential is in the additional small ideas. For sure. I spent some time looking at these pages and they brings ideas, like you've said, very similar. The actual differences are in the little details (for me, the most significant things in the daily usage in every application). Cherrs, ~Paulo -- Paulo José O. Amaro Computer Science Student Federal University of São João del-Rei WebDesigner / Linked Empresa Júnior Blogger / casatwain.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Re: [libreoffice-design] Motif draft
Hi Nik, all! On 12-03-2011 12:14, Nik wrote: Hi Paulo, [...] That's great to hear, I'd really love to see a proposal from you if you get the time? =) I know you're pressed for time, so don't feel obligated though. Research is a monster that never sleeps, right? =) Yeah, now you've described EXACTLY our research: a monster... Our work just started like an small work and now we have 100 pages full of hard work (most study case, than research as well)... :-) And we should be terminate last month, so... You defined it very well. :-P And is yours that way? Generally, motifs don't have to be intuitive or associative graphical links to the topic like, say, icons or a logo. Sometimes they are, but in many cases, they are meant to be more abstract, so that the meaning isn't necessarily embedded without some digging. Well, I did't though about if from this point of view. Actually you're right and I think I was very restricted by the motif example of OpenOffice, which is widely recognized and still topic related. But it's hard to say why it is so; what's came first: the motif popularity because it's topic related, or it's topic related because the motif popularity. :-/ For example, the Bahamas motif (the shapes); http://assets.creativity-online.com/images/work/large/b/a/h/bahamas-print060130.jpg doesn't make you instantly think of Bahamas islands right? (the logo might, but not the motif) ... But due to consistent-use, prolonged-exposure and clever-campaigning, they have become associated with the islands. So abstract is not a problem =) It's true. I think the Bahamas motif make me review my opinion definitively. You said me to don't worry about obligating myselft to making a motif proposal by time constraints, but the true is I'm worried about my understand and capabilities on motif's creation. I don't feel experience enough on this field to help with actual working proposals. So I think I'll go on just commenting and giving suggestions. I hope it's alright. That would be GREAT! I've posted a note suggesting a short extension to allow for more proposals, like yours, to be added! =) I'm hoping *Jaron* picks up on this hint too =) and our benevolent leader *Bernhard* hasn't had a chance to weigh-in on the issue and I'd really like his input (visual and verbal) too. So let me know what you think about the deadline-discussion. Well, I'm not purposing a motif, but I like the idea of a monocolorsable motif, like Bernhard or Christoph's proposal. It would be great to see your proposals in a monocolor theme. I actually tried to play with your Scatter motif with some white borders (creating an outline over the superposed triangles) , but I can't achieve good results. ~Paulo -- Paulo José O. Amaro Computer Science Student Federal University of São João del-Rei WebDesigner / Linked Empresa Júnior Blogger / casatwain.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Status Bar changes
Hi Christoph, all, Yeah, It's that what I mean by icons replacing text buttons. Much better to my eyes. The icons [1] for the Selecition Mode are actually great. But I can't locate the Inser Mode icon or text. Was you proposing remove it? If yes, I admit to like a lot the idea, since the Insert Mode feedback is given by the Text Indicator (that thing marking the text position, I'm not sure about the name) inline. I just wanna see your Selection Mode in a float menu showed by clicking on the mouse's right button and swithing directly the mode by the mouse's left button click. Great additions! May you give the SVG file of these icons? I know... 3 years are a while, but I had to ask. :-) Cheers, ~Paulo [1] - https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/roouaftqkmja5yR0lALrAA?feat=directlink -- Paulo José O. Amaro Computer Science Student Federal University of São João del-Rei WebDesigner / Linked Empresa Júnior Blogger / casatwain.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Proposal for Saving Information icons on Status Bar
Hi Kohei, all On 11-03-2011 19:11, Kohei Yoshida wrote: Yes, this is a good idea, and I like it a lot. That would greatly enhance the visibility of this icon. The only issue is that, implementing it would take a little extra effort. So what I'd like to do is to just leave the icon behavior as-is for 3.4 (but update the icon images with yours), and look into implementing timed feedback that you are proposing after the 3.4 release. I hope that's okay. For me it's allright. But I think we must wait a bit more for feedback from the other design and UX's people. But I'm very glade that you like the idea! So, for 3.4, I guess we should take the left and middle ones? Yeah, but like I've said, we should wait. I'd like to get some other members opinions, like Bernhard, Nik or Ivan. Up to this moment, just Christoph and Jaron did take part on it. Kohei Thank you for your support, Kohei! ~Paulo -- Paulo José O. Amaro Computer Science Student Federal University of São João del-Rei WebDesigner / Linked Empresa Júnior Blogger / casatwain.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Re: [libreoffice-design] Motif draft
Hi Nik! Wow, your last proposals are actually great! I still don't feel the motif feeling, but I think all them (specially the 6th) should be officially used in our work. They have quality enough to this, but still are too general to make me think on LibreOffice when I see them. But I think they are very promissing and define good approach to our motif! Just now some ideas are coming to my mind and if I'd have time tonight I'll make some proposals based on yours. By the way, I'm very excited to comment on the others motif's proposals. This page is becoming a place full of good ideas! :-D http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Motif ~Paulo -- Paulo José O. Amaro Estudante de Ciência da Computação / UFSJ Webdesigner / Linked E.J. Blogueiro / CasaTwain.com 2011/3/10 Nik n...@tdf.nikashsingh.com Hi Ivan and Design! Today is the last day for adding motif proposals to the Wiki page; http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Motif I've added mine (at the bottom). And a very hasty description because I'm running short on time. Mainly, my theme centres on the collaboration/community aspect. And some exploration of the clipped corner. Most of my shapes occur in six-sided configurations to reflect the writer/calc/base/draw... apps. Good luck with your own proposals. Remember, they don't have to be perfect, they just have to be ready enough to be voted on. We can refine them as a team a little later. Hopefully we can stick to the proposed timeline and go to a vote end of this week. now for some feedback On 3/7/2011 7:12 PM, Ivan M. wrote: Hi Nik, all, First of all, Nik, thank you so much for driving this forward - you're doing a fantastic job! Thanks amigo, That's high praise coming from /you/! =) On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 5:18 AM, Nikn...@tdf.nikashsingh.com wrote: [...] So we have ideas and concepts, *It's time to Design!* * Pick a concept you'd like to convey and, while adhering to the branding, create a first draft of your motif. * Upload it to the Wiki page (http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Motif) under the new Motif proposals section (bottom of page). * Add a preview image (jpeg/gif/png) if possible (svg preview is quite bad). * Explain what you were aiming to do with the Design, or more importantly, what it communicates. I've uploaded a rather quick and simple proposal to the wiki page with some descriptions and self-critique. I realise that it looks a little kitschy now (double rainbow all the way across the sky...) but I don't have the time right now to refine it further (or make a letterhead), That's cool, I can totally imagine this in a letterhead and a whole bunch of other formats, especially if used as a narrow strip. You actually managed to skilfully combine the application colours, which inspired my own attempt at mastering composition of the application colours. And you used a TEXTURE really well, something I'd like to see more of, because texture says so much by impeding so little. but the LibO rounded document corners could be brought into play as well. On that little tangent, I was also wondering what a bokeh-like effect with the LibO rounded document corners would look like (if it was done properly)... If you manage to make a Bokeh motif work, and we complemented it with bokeh photography, that would make for AMAZING compositions! I'm looking forward to seeing what others come up with! Regards, Ivan. Thanks for pitching in during your busy-season Ivan. And I too am looking forward to what gets made by the crew? Head on over to the Motif page to catch up on what's happened so far; http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Motif -Nik -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Default values
Hi Christoph, all On 10-03-2011 19:36, Christoph Noack wrote: Hi Paulo, all! [...] The latter options are applied together by manually calling one of the items in the AutoCorrect options sub-menu (e.g. Apply). Example: You import a plain text file that misses correct line feeds and that uses '*' as bullets. Applying the AutoCorrect function manually tries to transform your document into something more Writer like. Consequently, deactivating these options won't improve the life of those who don't like AutoCorrect during typing ... this feature has to be called manually. And if called, they do make sense [...] Well, I didn't know that. So, I'm reviewing my opinion: * /Replace bullets with/: *-1 to change* * /Combine single line paragraphs if length greater than/: *-1 to change* Cherrs, ~Paulo -- Paulo José O. Amaro Computer Science Student Federal University of São João del-Rei WebDesigner / Linked Empresa Júnior Blogger / casatwain.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Default values
Hi Ricardo! These are just some thoughts about your proposals. *Context sensitive toolbars*: I absolutely agree to you. Putting the toolbar on bottom edge of screen you don't break the flow of text (implying a page's scroll) neither cover the content you're trying to edit. *+1 by change.* *Autocorrect options*: * /Apply numbering - symbol/: I've never knew this feature. Now, at the first time using it, it actually looks cool, but I'm sure I'll forget this one the next time I'd need to create a list... Although this option never disturbs my work, so I don't see the need to disable it. *-1 by change* * /Apply border/: Other one I didn't know. Of course, you can go to Format-Paragraph-Border and play with settings. And it's probably what I'll do when needing to create a line like that. *+1 to change* * /Apply Styles/: For some reason my Apply Styles is disabled. Since I can't remember of disabling it, I'll assume I've disabled this at the its first iteraction to me. *+1 to change* * /Replace Custom Styles/: I can't understand what this option actually does. * /Replace bullets with/: Hum... I think it should be disabled by default. *+1 to change* * /Combine single line paragraphs if length greater than/: I can't understand what this option actually does. I tried to test this option, but nothing happens. *Word Completion*: Thank you for this tip! Highly *+1 to change* *Do we need [to show by default] a Gallery's button*: - Hum... It seems very deprecated. *+1 to change* *Do we need [to show by default] a Zoom's button?* - I think no, since a double click on the zoom text aside the Zoom Slide brings the same dialog than the toobar button does. *+1 to change * Do we need [to show by default] a Data sources button. - I actually use this feature a lot, but I never click on the toolbar button to use it... *+1 to change* For now it's all I can to say. My opinion is very limited, since I'm not a experienced user. But I wish it can help anyway. ~Paulo On 07-03-2011 07:41, RGB ES wrote: I'm starting to gather some ideas about better defaults on Writer: https://sites.google.com/site/rgbmldcwriterideas/home/default-values What do you think? (I mean, beside my bad English... ;) ) Cheers Ricardo -- Paulo José O. Amaro Computer Science Student Federal University of São João del-Rei WebDesigner / Linked Empresa Júnior Blogger / casatwain.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Proposal for Saving Information icons on Status Bar
Hi Jaron! On 06-03-2011 10:49, Jaron Kuppers wrote: Hi Paulo, Christoph, Wow... I can't believe its been so long. This thread took quite the nap. I also like Style 1 best, top right corner, and 14x11. Although the orange seems a bit loud. I guess that is acceptable since it is likely the most appropriate color from our arsenal. It seems fine in Christoph's example. Thank you! You may consider matching the gradient for the outline of the page in your icon to match the page icons in the zoom toolbar if they are going to be located so close. It may also give the icon a little more attention. Yeah, I tried your and Christoph's suggestions and the result seems to be actually better: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Status-bar-icons-saved-file-14x11px.svg (force reload if it doesn't work) The Style 1 and 2 have the same size of Page Zoom icons (9px large) and each one have a gradient style (the Style 2 matching the Page Zoom icon's gradient). The Style 3 and 4 are 1px larger (10px large), the exactly same size of my previous proposal. See you guys! ~Paulo -- Paulo José O. Amaro Computer Science Student Federal University of São João del-Rei WebDesigner / Linked Empresa Júnior Blogger / casatwain.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] ligatures in the logo [was: LibO logo]
Hi Johannes! Yeah, you're right, we're not talking on the same thing. What I mean by kerning is correct pixel anti-alialing artifacts, when a letter becomes blurry and you can use a sharpening filter to sharp the edges (correcting the blurry). But none sharpening filter changes the shape or move objects. I actually didn't know it's called kerning too. Thank you for show me that! :-) By the way, I need to say your work is a actual improvement! I don't know yet if I'm updated to your last proposals, but I'll find it and give you feedback soon. See you, ~Paulo On 02-03-2011 07:00, Johannes Bausch wrote: Hey Paulo, 2011/3/1 Paulo José Amaropaul...@gmail.com Sadly I can't see any image from the imageshack server. Could you add to the wiki? I'm actually curious about your friend's proposal. http://tinyurl.com/48rgtw I guess that's something InDesign does with OpenType Pro fonts (Minion etc.). And with sharpening filter I mean this one http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unsharp_masking or another GIMP plugin to sharp image's edges (IMO, the best is the Inverse Diffusion of GIMP's GMIC plugin). They can be used to correct some kerning problems on the final generated bitmaps. Ah okay. But are we talking about the same kerning? How can a sharpening filter move letters about? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerning Maybe I just don't get it, sorry ^^. To the rest: Can we have a vote on the ligatures somehow? Or are there further suggestions? Thanks, Joey -- Paulo José O. Amaro Computer Science Student Federal University of São João del-Rei WebDesigner / Linked Empresa Júnior Blogger / casatwain.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Hi, interested in contribution to libreoffic design team,
Be welcome Jack! I hope you enjoy a lot to stay with us! :D I'd like to know more about your sound experiences. Can you talk more about it? Maybe it's a unexplored field to play with in LibreOffice. ~Paulo On 06-03-2011 03:15, Jack M wrote: Hello,Let me introduce myself for starters,My name is Jack Majlinger and I am a 17 year old Diesel Mechanicwith a strong hobby interest in computers.When I heard about libreofice, seeing it was in its infancy i thoughtit would be a great project to get involved in. I can help provide graphics, sound (if needed) and variousother things to help improve libre office. I am looking forwardto being an active member and this mailing list is a great ideaand I'd love to sign up. RegardsJack Majlinger -- Paulo José O. Amaro Computer Science Student Federal University of São João del-Rei WebDesigner / Linked Empresa Júnior Blogger / casatwain.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] LibreOffice Icons
Hi all, I just perceived my LibreOffice version's icons are actually 26px large (and different from this [1] screenshoot), so I made a 26px version without shadow: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Toolbar-Mimetype-Icons-26px.svg And a version with the same 1px bottom from the other icons of the toolbar: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Toolbar-Mimetype-Icons-25px-shadow.svg Here you can see a comparison between the three proposals: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Toolbar-Mimetype-Icons-comparison.png What's your opinions? See you, guys! ~Paulo [1] - http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:2011-02-15_LibreOfficeInitialIcons_ToolbarIssue.png -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] ligatures in the logo [was: LibO logo]
Hi Johannes! Sadly I can't see any image from the imageshack server. Could you add to the wiki? I'm actually curious about your friend's proposal. And with sharpening filter I mean this one http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unsharp_masking or another GIMP plugin to sharp image's edges (IMO, the best is the Inverse Diffusion of GIMP's GMIC plugin). They can be used to correct some kerning problems on the final generated bitmaps. ~Paulo Paulo José O. Amaro Estudante de Ciência da Computação / UFSJ Webdesigner / Linked E.J. Blogueiro / CasaTwain.com 2011/3/1 Johannes Bausch johannes.bau...@gmail.com Hey Bernhard, all, sorry for not having repsonded so far. I'll try to answer more in time in future. I've added a third alternative where both f's have the same shape (note however, that I had to cap the first f so that the upper tip does not collide with the next f. If I had just copied the second one it would have looked really ugly - I'm sure you realize that, I just thought I should mention it). I think having the same curvature for both fs is indeed the way to go. I'll keep that in mind for the final design. Another thing I tried was to have equal spacing for all three letters - which does not look good. Bernhard, you said that the i is lighter than the f and therefore could be moved to the left - that is exactly what I have done in the previous examples, although it seems as if I forgot to mention it. I added a note on that on the wiki. So equal spacing: not good. Even spacing: good. The other thing I tried was to incorporate the suggestion of my friend ( http://tinyurl.com/6x7 Paulo José O. Amaro Estudante de Ciência da Computação / UFSJ Webdesigner / Linked E.J. Blogueiro / CasaTwain.com fyg7 http://tinyurl.com/6x7fyg7) which looked even worse than without any ligature. 2011/2/28 Bernhard Dippold bernh...@familie-dippold.at It looks different from the original Vegur f, but a slightly stronger bending doesn't harm the general impression in my eyes. Since the Vegur font has no ligatures the ligatures will look different from the normal letters anyway. I try and match them as good as I can. Also, it seems to me that there are currently two open threads in the design list. I try to merge them ^^: 2011/3/1 Paulo José paul...@gmail.com *The Ligatures*: I think the ligatures in the fi letters was a very welcome surprise. It's true they remember a serifed font, but I personally love the way you put this serifed feeling on the LibO logo! I think it makes the logo very particular and organic. I don't see any reason to don't mix serif and sans-serif font when it's obviously look intentional and well done. @Paulo: thanks for your positive comments. I know this is personal taste but since everyone told me it would look like a serifed font I stopped thinking about it. But now that you say you like it, I must say that I agree. All alternatives to the one I first did (just for reference: http://tinyurl.com/63ku3mw) look more nervous because there are more gaps and more open tips. Since I got so little (in terms of different people) feedback on this I'd like to ask others to give their opinion on the logos. Just a short looks good/doesn't look good would be really great. I'll also try and ask some friends of mine. *Manual kerning*: Well, I'm not the right person to talk about it, but I'm not sure if it's worth, since you can ever make use of a sharpening filter for images. But the changes you've done on the letters shape are a great improvement and make the things much... sexy [I can't find a better adjective]. A note: It seems the D on Document has not a correct kerning, but like I've said, it could be easily adjusted with a sharpening filter. What do you mean with sharpening filter? I agree that the sharp corners on the logo were a bad idea. Let's forget about them ^^. Thanks, Joey -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] They need graphic material, WE NEED A MOTIF!
Hi all! I know it's a little late, but I'm trying to reply all the emails I wanted to have replied already... On 22-02-2011 12:59, Nik wrote: [...] I don't think Paulo or myself would consider ourselves ready for leadership responsibilities. Yeah, I'm actually new not only here in this team, but in the Design and UX themselves too. Leadership is not a possibility. I am not a consistent contributor and you cannot rely on my constant availability here, such is the nature of my work. I'm seeing myself in the exactly same position. I follow all the discussions, but my work breaks me to replying and be more active on this mail listing. Paulo is a Design PRODIGY and a truly gifted and enthusiastic addition to our team, but is new to the team and project. He will surely be a great leader, in time. Thank your for the PRODIGY; it's a lot overdone, but still made me smile! :) Three people have remained active, proactive and loyal to this team for the last 10 years: Bernhard, Christoph, You [Ivan]. [...] As it was said before, they already do the leadership job naturally, through their respectable [and highly needed) opinions. Maybe it's just a formalization issue for this fact. ~Paulo -- Paulo José O. Amaro Computer Science Student Federal University of São João del-Rei WebDesigner / Linked Empresa Júnior Blogger / casatwain.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] LibO logo
Hi Joey! Firstly, I want to say I'm very glad to see your great artwork. I'll comment more on your work-in-progress; I just wanted to say It's very very good! On 22-02-2011 13:17, Johannes Bausch wrote: [..] Although funding is the main concern atm I have been working on the logo this afternoon and tried to incorporate your citicism. You can see my step-by-step improvement on my user page on the wiki: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Joey *The Ligatures*: I think the ligatures in the fi letters was a very welcome surprise. It's true they remember a serifed font, but I personally love the way you put this serifed feeling on the LibO logo! I think it makes the logo very particular and organic. I don't see any reason to don't mix serif and sans-serif font when it's obviously look intentional and well done. And for me, that's the case. Although, the Alternative 2 is very well done too and looks particularly authentic to me. It would be a great choose too. The Alternative 1 has the same good conceptual base, but for some reason it reminds me the OpenOffice logo... I don't know why, sorry... :P *Manual kerning*: Well, I'm not the right person to talk about it, but I'm not sure if it's worth, since you can ever make use of a sharpening filter for images. But the changes you've done on the letters shape are a great improvement and make the things much... sexy [I can't find a better adjective]. A note: It seems the D on Document has not a correct kerning, but like I've said, it could be easily adjusted with a sharpening filter. *The sharper corners*: As Christoph said, the softened corners actually make the friendly look and fell of the logo. I think the sharp corners are good too, but you lost a lot of the organic feeling and help the fi original ligature you've proposed. I tried to explain every step I did and why I think it was necessary. Finally, I've done a quick render in blender (see bottom of page). The blender render was a good especial surprise! Very cool! :D Please, keep the great work. I think the best moment to propose a change on the logo is right now. So it's important take this discussions seriously, like you're doing. ~Paulo -- Paulo José O. Amaro Computer Science Student Federal University of São João del-Rei WebDesigner / Linked Empresa Júnior Blogger / casatwain.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Using a Gallery table in the wiki to provide design resources?
Hi Bernhard! I think this is a great idea and would speed up all the artwork progress. I really like this idea! It seems to be a unique place to put all our artworks! :D It would be good to have a place to put our work in progress, or at least some links to our personal pages and other pages related to W.I.P.'s. :) ~Paulo On 28-02-2011 19:54, Bernhard Dippold wrote: Hi all, as this topic is relevant for design and marketing, I don't see a way to avoid cross-posting. Follow-up on the marketing list please. During the last weeks several people worked on design elements to be used in order to improve knowledge and public awareness for LibreOffice. Marc is working hard to put them all together on the marketing wiki, but I feel that we still miss an easy entry point for people interested in using such resources on their website, for marketing activities and so on. Back in OOo times we had a gallery showing different categories of such artwork which served quite well for people searching for a web button, a banner or a CD/DVD label. http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Art/Gallery Before I start working on migrating this gallery to our wiki (as I created it, there is no licensing issue), I'd like to ask your opinion: Do you think this is a good approach? In contrast to the OOo gallery I'd like to see this wiki page as entry point to the officially approved designs - positioned at the marketing area of the wiki (at least until we put them up on the website). The development area on the design wiki might get a similar entry point (for contributors, including the official source file necessary for using them as basis for branding based design), but I think the marketing / user / supporter resources are more important at the moment. Any questions? proposals? ideas? Best regards Bernhard -- Paulo José O. Amaro Computer Science Student Federal University of São João del-Rei WebDesigner / Linked Empresa Júnior Blogger / casatwain.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Challenge Continues-Banner
Hi Tobias, Very quickly reply: I like very much your banner! I think it's very attractive, simple and absolutely nice! :D My only suggestion is to take off the radial light gradient in the middle of the background. Or keep it, but putting some floor's (or even border's) shadows on the document symbol. I think it's worth to try. :) ~Paulo On 27-02-2011 11:26, Tobias Bernard wrote: hi the word cloud thing is a bit tricky... if it is well readable, it doesn't look very good, and if it looks good you can't really read it^^ i tried to have a a bit of both in the new version. http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Libo-challengecontinues-banner-by-tobias.png the space between the words is bigger now, and different for every word. this improves the word cloud impression a bit, but it is still readable. i hope the space between donate now and the document symbol is big enough now;) Am Sonntag, den 27.02.2011, 00:38 +0100 schrieb Bernhard Dippold: Tobias Bernard schrieb: ok, i've reworked the banner, trying to consider all your suggestions, but i didn't understand what's wrong with the spacing (point one in the guidelines) The distance of the logo (in your case the symbol at the bottom of the banner) to every graphical element outside the logo shouldn't be less than half the width of the symbol. As the symbol reached nearly the borders of the banner, elements put beside the banner could have compromised the symbol - reducing the visual impression we want to achieve with our logo and it's elements. But in your new version (I add the link again: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Libo-challengecontinues-banner-by-tobias.png) this is much better! Only the vertical distance especially to the Donate now! badge is a bit small. if you have futher suggestions, just tell me ;) The word cloud is much easier to read :-) Unfortunately this reduces the impression of a word cloud a bit. Did you try to have a bit more space between the single words? I don't know, if this works and stays readable - perhaps with more different font sizes, using green and large font for one word only, some smaller and green, some larger and grey? Just an idea - might be totally wrong... Best regards Bernhard ps: why does the the svg file have such an ugly preview? The preview is better than none as we had it on the OOo wiki ;-) But honestly I don't know. Some SVG images are rendered well, Some other have problems with text and underlying graphics, some don't show the SVG at all. Turning the text into path helps sometimes, but this is no option for text we probably want to modify / translate later on. -- Paulo José O. Amaro Computer Science Student Federal University of São João del-Rei WebDesigner / Linked Empresa Júnior Blogger / casatwain.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] about wallpapers
Hi Daniel, http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOffice-Paulo-Wallpapers-Source.blend.zip The sources are Blender files (.blend) and you'll need the latest version of this software to open them correctly. One of them contain all 3d meshes and the basic composite. The second file is the final wallpaper composite, including the 3D meshes of the LIbreOffice logo. ~Paulo On 28-02-2011 01:08, Daniel Armando Rodriguez wrote: f it's possible to get wallpaper[1] sources. -- Paulo José O. Amaro Computer Science Student Federal University of São João del-Rei WebDesigner / Linked Empresa Júnior Blogger / casatwain.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] They need graphic material, WE NEED A MOTIF!
Hi Christoph, On 22-02-2011 19:12, Christoph Noack wrote: sorry for being that late - but I can only second David's opinion that it looks absolutely awesome. Thank you! :-) Of course, it might interfere with our upcoming design motive, the darker colors are different to what we've presented before, the ... Yeah, I tried to keep it simple and still different from the previous work, since I read the intention it's make it atemporal and no branding related (I can't remember where I read it, so maybe I've misunderstood it). STOP ... just looking at it is a pleasure to the eyes. Thanks a lot! :-))) Thank you very much. I wish these banners can be useful someway, still they are different from the current branding. Otherwise, there's no problem at all. I'll understand. ;) Cheers, ~Paulo It seems, we have to announce these banners ... to get them used. Cheers, Christoph Am Dienstag, den 22.02.2011, 01:52 -0300 schrieb Paulo José: On 20-02-2011 23:54, David Nelson wrote: I really like this. Thank you! :) ~Paulo -- Paulo José O. Amaro Computer Science Student Federal University of São João del-Rei WebDesigner / Linked Empresa Júnior Blogger / casatwain.com -- Paulo José O. Amaro Computer Science Student Federal University of São João del-Rei WebDesigner / Linked Empresa Júnior Blogger / casatwain.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] OFF-TOPIC: What are you listening now?
Hi Christoph, all! On 20-02-2011 18:06, Christoph Noack wrote: At the very moment, it's just radio ... although I have to say that I quickly get annoyed by most of the radio stations, especially the moderators. Although it is a really tough job to entertain the crowd 24 hours a day, sometimes it would be helpful to limit time for moderators, and instead spend it on broadcasting good music :-) Yeah, it's about 5 years I don't listen to radios... Here in Brazil they just play popular music and general music (some even good, but...). If you want to discovery new good sound, better stay sitting. A question: What are moderators? Here the problem is the massive merchandising between two songs... :/ It's impossible to listening two sequenced musics... ¬¬ [...] In general, there are always songs / artists performing different music styles I tend to like - whether it is Pop, Heavy Metal, Classical Music. Heavy Metal was a wave to my musical experiencing... I basically migrate to something more alterantive and progressive rock... a bit of Pink Floyd, Muse, Coldplay... :D Classical and Pop are ever present in my playlist. But here are the ones that really had some impact on me during the last months ... Sa Dingding: A Chinese artist doing almost everything. Now I just listening her videos on YouTube and loving her voice and songs. She has an incredible powerful voice, so sweet! Thank you so much for presenting her! :D The song I've got addicted to (first) was Alive. And I had the chance to see her in Germany last year ... that required quite some traveling. The funny thing: Nobody else knew her, so I had the chance to be in the first row, and to chat with her band after the show. Wow! Its really cool! And yeah, her videos have few views and likes/dislikes. Although, I love her style. I saw a video from a Blue House appearance of her, when she is much crazy and show her powerful voice! Just the way I like! Rupa and the April Fishes: Rupa performs in different languages and easily switches between different styles. Amazing, so to say. And, if this matters to you, the recordings of these artists are just superb. Excellent mixing without any artificial sound ... I'm listening to Rupa and liking her music. She has a magical and very particular voice and voice, and I have a colleague he will like her very much! :D Currently I've also re-discovered Loreena McKennitt who performs world music - something to really relax ... I really love all the Celtic stuff :-) WOWWW, THIS IS BIGGG I *love* world music actually, much hindi, oriental songs and so... I'm loving her voice, style, everything! Thank you so much for this addition! *Maybe it can be part of the third step of our Kick-Off... What do you think, Christoph? :D :P Aehm, yes :-) Hum, kühl! :-D Now I'm sure it was a good idea... Just today I discovered two new awesome artists! I'm exciting to see the other's participations on this threat. ~Paulo -- Paulo José O. Amaro Computer Science Student Federal University of São João del-Rei WebDesigner / Linked Empresa Júnior Blogger / casatwain.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Logo proposal without TDF line
Hi Rick! On 15-02-2011 22:19, Rick Hansson wrote: [...] A short presentation: I'm a designer and project manager. I work on Mac, Windows and Linux, but my major platform is design. I've never participated in open source development before, but I've worked with open source scripts/programs in many projects for years. This is great! It seems very exciting! I'm sure you will enjoy this team style! :D Be welcome! ~Paulo -- Paulo José O. Amaro Computer Science Student Federal University of São João del-Rei WebDesigner / Linked Empresa Júnior Blogger / casatwain.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] They need graphic material, WE NEED A MOTIF!
Hi Marc, I just forgot to reply this one... On 19-02-2011 23:31, Marc Paré wrote: [...] Many thanks again for these banners, which are marvellous. Thank you! :) Could these be added to the http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/FoundationChallenge page? We also need some English version of these banners for external website use. Sorry, I can't help. These days I'm getting some problems to edit wiki pages with tables and non-trivial stuff. Maybe it's just me, but it happens on Chrome and Firefox. :/ Could you help me with it? These banners not only serve the purpose of helping with the funding drive but also promote the LibreOffice brand on external sites. Once we have enough of these banners in various sizes and languages, we should make an announcement on the mailing lists letting our membership know of their availability. Thanks for this explanation (I was thinking to ask something like that actually). Sadly today I had no time (my classes started today and then I've many work to do... :/ But I'll try to work on more proposals soon. :) Cheers, ~Paulo -- Paulo José O. Amaro Computer Science Student Federal University of São João del-Rei WebDesigner / Linked Empresa Júnior Blogger / casatwain.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] new on this
Hi Catalin! When I saw your email, the first part I read was Hobby: 3D; Just for this reason, I already like you! LOL Being serious, 3D is one of my hobbies too and I wish you the best welcome! A quickly comment: I just see your Fedora's walls: they are awesome! I love the bird one, very creative and good produced actually! Cherrs, ~Paulo On 21-02-2011 12:04, Catalin wrote: Dear team . I am 34 years old and work in the field of organizational management I live in Bucharest, Romania. Now I use Fedora, Debian, Windows XP I'm working with fedora design team ... Hobby: 3D , opengl , programming , python , c, mono ... About design work see this : http://festila-george-catalin.daportfolio.com/ more working on : https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Mythcat I will gladly help. -- Paulo José O. Amaro Computer Science Student Federal University of São João del-Rei WebDesigner / Linked Empresa Júnior Blogger / casatwain.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] They need graphic material, WE NEED A MOTIF!
Hi Christoph, all, On 19-02-2011 22:39, Christoph Noack wrote: [...] So my question is: If we can take care of such decisions within the next days, I'm totally happy. But on the other hand, we really have to move on and show that we are productive ... now. I'm surely not exaggerating if I say urgent concerning the funding elements means we've missed some deadlines already. I agree. It's why I was in doubt about if we would use the motif in these banners. They actually seem most urgent. [...] My personal take would be to invest 50% of the available time to work on / improve the open issues. The remaining time, my very personal opinion, are spend wisely by working on the motif improvements. But, we need somebody who can guide / manages this effort ... is this something you might want to do (I totally trust you). [...] I wanna to join to the documentation task, but the wiki system is not working very well to me anymore. Now I just can edit the HTML version of a page (neither wiki code or Rich Editor are working). :/ It makes everything very difficult, since I don't know what is allowed in the wiki system and some error are happening too. :( [...] Good night ... waaah ... again less than 5 hours sleep to go; even My teacher tried to make us calm in the beginning, saying that it is usual to sleep just 3h by day. He completes: Long sleep, Weekends, Vacations, and so, they are all Collective Illusions. The people *think* they can do it... My answer: - Poor people*... Cherrs, ~Paulo *us! ¬ ¬ -- Paulo José O. Amaro Computer Science Student Federal University of São João del-Rei WebDesigner / Linked Empresa Júnior Blogger / casatwain.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] They need graphic material, WE NEED A MOTIF!
Hi all, One more. A banner at Wide skyscraper format (160x600px). This time I only had time to make the dark version. It uses the great Nik's cartoons and some elements from the first banners: PNG Image: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOffice-The-Challenge-Banner-Paulo-v2-dark.png SVG Source file: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOffice-The-Challenge-Banner-Paulo-v2-dark.svg As usual, all effects are in separated layers, so it can be done so simpler than is needed. Also Spanish and German texts in respective layers. Regards, ~Paulo -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Background of the quick starter icon
Oh, yeah. I got it now! Thank you Andrew! :) This issue happens with another programs too. Generally I disable the background panel from the theme to solve it, but I know this is not the correct solution. By the way, in the icon seems to be some OpenOffice guns, right? We should change it... ~Paulo On 19-02-2011 15:09, Andrew wrote: On 18/02/11 21:03, Christoph Noack wrote: Hi Paulo! Am Freitag, den 18.02.2011, 18:42 -0200 schrieb Paulo José: Hi Sophie, Christoph, I'm using the LibreOffice 3.3.0 - OOO330m19 (Build:6) and I'm didn't find the issue, so I can't help. I have just updated the Wiki Page (http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/LibreOffice_Initial_Icons#Feedback_and_Issues) with my findings on this issue: Under GNOME, the quick starter icon doesn't appear to have a transparent background. An easy way to reproduce this behaviour is to set your GTK theme to New Wave and enable the LibreOffice Quickstarter in Tools Options Memory Enable systray quickstarter. == Reason why this happens== IIRC if a program uses EggTrayIcon or X11TrayIcon (or similar) instead of Gtk.StatusIcon, the icon does not contain a transparent background. All we need to do is change the code to use Gtk.StatusIcon (should be relatively simple). An image of the issue is available here http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Quickstarter-opaque-background-issue.png Hope this helps :) -- Paulo José O. Amaro Computer Science Student Federal University of São João del-Rei WebDesigner / Linked Empresa Júnior Blogger / casatwain.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] They need graphic material, WE NEED A MOTIF!
on the LibO homepage in 6 places right now, with no rhythm or alignment. One very prominent clipped corner on the page should be enough. This isn't to say it shouldn't reappear elsewhere, but the dark grey floating corner element should NOT appear elsewhere in the layout. Repetition isn't always a sign of consistency, sometimes it's a great sign of limitations. For example, I've uploaded a (nasty and rough) example of how I would imagine 1 corner would suffice and make a bigger impact; http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Onecorner.jpg It could also serve some important purpose: download button / back-to-top button / or if LibO is feeling adventurous and moves the Logo to the top-right, it could serve as the home button. But this is all branding-speak. What I want to say, loud and clear; *WE NEED A DESIGN-MOTIF. URGENTLY.* I propose the following timeline because it is necessary and because I have heard a few people (Johannes? Paulo? Jaron?) suggest they may be available soon. - *2 or 3 days* to discuss on this list ideas about what the motif should be. What the perception should be. - *1 or 2 days* to design a vector composition - *1 day* when Bernhard+Christoph+Ivan (as the most-active and senior members of the Design list) decide on 1 motif - *1 day* to refine as per feedback. So this could be all done in a week if we are agile. I know it isn't ideal, but the current logo was made in the same circumstance. And we cannot go on treating the logo/icons as Design:formatting elements!!! As soon as we have a Design motif, in a couple of variations, it will be easier to make everything look professional and clean (assuming the motif itself looks this way). In the mean time, I strongly recommend that the fund-raising banners be made *IN AS SIMPLE A WAY AS POSSIBLE!* So that they do not hint at a Design/style that we will not adhere to long-term, or create a perception of a Design direction which has not already been decided. They should be as /neutral/ and /occasion/-specific as possible and bare no strong /stylistic/ elements whatsoever. Otherwise people will come to think of them as the LibO style and we will have to honour it. Right now too many different/incomplete/disparate/unintentional/inconsistent design items are making their way to the public and our ability to intelligently master a design style or direction for LibO is slipping out of our hands. The more this continues, the more LibO will be a haphazard collection of randomly made design elements. It'll be like OOo all over again. I would really appreciate if some of the Design leadership (Bernhard, Christoph, Ivan) commented on whether they thought this plan is feasible. Or updated it with times that are more appropriate. On 2/19/2011 9:28 AM, Christoph Noack wrote: @ Paulo, Nik: If you have some time, could you please dive into working on the missing graphics? It would be great if you could coordinate this on this list, to avoid doubled effort. If you miss the time, I'll jump in tomorrow ... but I'd like to work on other less visible funding stuff :-\ The missing items are listed here: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/FoundationChallenge#Required_Items Hi Paulo and Christoph, I will work on some Community banners seeing as how they are urgent. I think Paulo can work on the same thing without doubling our efforts seeing as how multiple banners are needed. Whaddaya reckon? you know, some people do also miss normal web banners. Yes. Most of them are called Marketing executives ;) But they invented Google-ads to satisfy /that/ crowd. ... IVAN!!! I know you're immensely busy old chap, but I'd be super-interested to know what you think about all this. -Nik -- Paulo José O. Amaro Computer Science Student Federal University of São João del-Rei WebDesigner / Linked Empresa Júnior Blogger / casatwain.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Background of the quick starter icon
Hi Sophie, Christoph, I'm using the LibreOffice 3.3.0 - OOO330m19 (Build:6) and I'm didn't find the issue, so I can't help. But on icons issue, I can start to work on these 24px versions today, since I've a lot of left time for the next hours... If someone already is working on they, please let me now. ~Paulo On 18-02-2011 18:12, Christoph Noack wrote: Hi Sophie! Thanks for the feedback! Am Freitag, den 18.02.2011, 21:03 +0300 schrieb Sophie Gautier: Hi all, I have a [very, very small] request :) ;-) Under Gnome, the quick starter icon doesn't appear to have a transparent background. Would it be possible to avoid the white rectangle behind our logo. Oh, I didn't even check the most recent version ... anybody who can provide a small screenshot that shows the issue? Since I lack a bit time to dig into this issue, I've added it to the other ones on the wiki page. And, I've also summarized the feedback provided by Kendy and (via private mail) Michael. http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/LibreOffice_Initial_Icons#Feedback_and_Issues I think the most visible issue - at the moment - are the missing 22px (wrapped in 24px) icons. So if anybody could start to work on that - would just be great! Cheers, Christoph -- Paulo José O. Amaro Computer Science Student Federal University of São João del-Rei WebDesigner / Linked Empresa Júnior Blogger / casatwain.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Impress(ing) Templates
Hi Christoph! On 13-02-2011 21:14, Christoph Noack wrote: Oh, I noticed in the comments to your blog posting [1] that you found the workaround that also worked for me in the past. But since we already talk about the templates, may I add some thoughts? But first a question - are the current templates meant to used as official marketing templates for LibreOffice? You know, the artistic quality is (as usual - so to say) just fantastic ;-) Thank you so much! Well, I don't see no problems on this (Is this phrase correct? :/). Since my work is libre, it can be changed by everyone to better fit into marketing purposes. :) When I looked a the designs, I had to remember one particular statement of one of the supervisors at my university. When a student once held a presentation with gradients that caused darker slide edges, he noted: Engineers worked very hard on data project technology to ensure homogeneous lighting for the whole picture. This, it seems that the design might only work well if people know that this effect is really intended ... so please don't get me wrong, I just wanted to share what made me think about slide designs a few years ago. I understand the point of your supervisor. And he's right; the Vignetting Effect was an [undesirable] effect in photography and even today is used with much caution by most photographers. It's easy overdo its usage. Although, I personaly love this effect - so I probably overdone on it. :-[ . I'll try to reduce it a little bit to make it less perceptive and more natural. Thank you for this thinking! Waiting for your comments on my 3D stuff. :P But just do it if you'll have time, of course. By the way, a little note: today I had sucess to convert the LOO logo to blender curves... :) A footnote after that: If you think the Impress bugs are bad, you should see Blender bugs... :O -- Paulo José O. Amaro Computer Science Student Federal University of São João del-Rei WebDesigner / Linked Empresa Júnior Blogger / casatwain.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Impress(ing) Templates
Hi again Christoph! On 13-02-2011 21:01, Christoph Noack wrote: Hi Jaron, hi Paulo! Maybe some additional hints ... [...] Most of the style weirdness within Impress is based on the fact, that both Impress mimics the behavior of PowerPoint, and it tries to behave like the other LibreOffice applications. Well, it's a bit confusing. :/ The bug I initially cited is a prove to how much GOOD is this mimic; The Power Point support is to improved that background images are not stored in the ODP file, but in the PPT they was! Thus, if you look at the stylist, there are: * Graphic Styles: To be used like normal styles (equal to Draw). Those are not related to master pages, but changes affect the _whole_ presentation. * Presentation Styles: Equal the objects of master pages. If you change those, the formatting of the objects of the currently applied master page will be changed. Thus, they do not affect the whole presentation. If you use the Master Page View, then the page shows some objects (e.g. the outline). If you change the formatting of those objects, then the Presentation Styles are changed as well - this is different to the Normal view when editing the presentation content. But, not all of the objects are shown - Subtitle for example is only available via the Stylist. Also important, some of the settings from within the Master Page View are applied globally (for all slides using the current Master Page), but are not part of the Stylist: the size and the position of the master page objects (Title Area, Object Area, ...). By the way: Presentation Styles, Background Objects refer to things like page number, footer, ... but some of the settings are not stored (according to my experience). Does this clarify the behavior of Impress a bit? Comments appreciated :-) Yeah, these commentaries make things a lot clearer than before! Specially about Graphic Styles! I'm learning a lot Impress. But for now I think it's needing a new identify. Or even to find a own identify for the first time. All the support for Microsoft features seemly leave no space to Impress create and improve its own functionalities. :/ Good night, ~Paulo -- Paulo José O. Amaro Computer Science Student Federal University of São João del-Rei WebDesigner / Linked Empresa Júnior Blogger / casatwain.comYeh -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Impress(ing) Templates
Hi everybody! Sad news [for me]... I'm experiencing the bug #316023 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org/+bug/316023 [1] (the old and fixed bug #201005 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org/+bug/201005 [2]), which sadly forbid me to create templates correctly in Impress. The main problem is the impossibility to save more than one background in the Open Document (or template) format. Ironically, saving the presentation in the PowerPoint format works fine... :P So I'm able to help creating presentation templates, but I'm limited to save them as PPT or send the images to others. If someone could help me converting the file to ODP or applying the backgrounds for me, I'll be very thankful. Thank you in advance, ~Paulo [1] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org/+bug/316023 [2] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org/+bug/201005 -- Paulo José O. Amaro Computer Science Student Federal University of São João del-Rei WebDesigner / Linked Empresa Júnior Blogger / casatwain.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Impress(ing) Templates
On 10-02-2011 08:58, Bernhard Dippold wrote: ... and Kevin! :-) *:) Yeah, and Kevin for the great idea, as I've said. :-P On 09-02-2011 19:25, Christoph Noack wrote: Hi Jaron! Am Montag, den 07.02.2011, 16:36 -0500 schrieb Jaron Kuppers: Please provide feedback or direction as Kevin_Items and I move forward on developing a few templates. Thanks! If you didn't already (sorry if I don't remember every mail I read during the last week), would you mind to create a dedicated wiki page for the presentation template work? Something like http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Presentation_Templates (Any better structure idea welcome) I think it might be a good idea to collect the template categories and some more specific information there, allowing others (from other teams, if interested) to join. It will be very useful and I hope to see it soon fill up with good ideas from all. :D I didn't see the Christoph's link with the user feedback about templates, but I think would be nice to include its information in this page too. :) Maybe later I can help on it. ~Paulo -- Paulo José O. Amaro Computer Science Student Federal University of São João del-Rei WebDesigner / Linked Empresa Júnior Blogger / casatwain.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Impress(ing) Templates
It seems to be very useful! Good job Jaron and Christoph! :) On 09-02-2011 19:25, Christoph Noack wrote: Hi Jaron! Am Montag, den 07.02.2011, 16:36 -0500 schrieb Jaron Kuppers: Please provide feedback or direction as Kevin and I move forward on developing a few templates. Thanks! Thanks for having a look on this topic - I'm not that helpful here (in person), but I wanted to ask whether the OOo user survey data might be helpful to group the items. http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/File:OOoUserSurvey2009_Final.ods Cheers, Christoph -- Paulo José O. Amaro Computer Science Student Federal University of São João del-Rei WebDesigner / Linked Empresa Júnior Blogger / casatwain.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] LibreOffice Icons
Hi Tobias! First I want to wish you a warm welcome! I'm sure you'll have too many good experiences and learnings as I'm having since I recently became part of this group. :D About change the mimetype icons, I believe that Christoph's words already expressed all my thinking about it. If you have a look in the past wiki archives, you'll find many proposals and different ideas that came from all community and they grew up and evolved to the current icons. But, as everything in the open source world, propose new and refreshing ideas is ever welcome; since they add improvements based in past experiences. Personally, I'm a fan of Faenza icon set and i'm using it under Ubuntu there are some months already. But I think the Faenza's don't fit very well with others icon sets, since they have its own look and feel (seems a lot like IPhone icons...). And we must to keep the most of nativeness in every platforms. So I think the choice for using the symbol from The Document Foundation is a accurate decision to stay on. And I think it include to keep the borders around the document symbol. On your other suggestions, I personally think pictograms are really great in small icons, when you need say something accurate in a small space. But in the big icons they seems a bit out of place, giving much less information than they could/should. The fine artistic details are one of the best things I see in the Faenza icons. But I agree with your third suggestion. Some color (maybe less saturated than your first proposal [1]) would make the icons more vivid and friendly. These days I'm back to my work, so I'm unable to try this, so if you could, it would be great. :) I hope to see you doing more suggestions, showing more proposals and helping us like you're doing. :D Thank you for your interest! ~Paulo [1] - http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/cgi_img_auth.php/3/31/LibO_icons_draft.png On 08-02-2011 13:37, Tobias Bernard wrote: hi first of all, i'd like to say that i love libreoffice and would like to help you guys in some way. these days, i've read that the new libreoffice icons are going to look like this: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_9MZR46ZEuS8/TURcYGZPRkI/AuE/si2R_93DT_M/s1600/New256pxIcons.png i don't know if the icons will remain that way, but personally, i don't like how they are now. In my opinion, the main problems are: - the colored border: it's fine for blue and green, but yellow and orange look really bad - the pictograms inside the sheets: too comlex, too many colors that don't go with the border color so, my major suggestions are: - leave the border black/grey for all the icons - choose some simple, monochromatic pictograms for the single programs - maybe color the inner part of the sheet, instead of the border i did these faenza-inspired libreoffice icons, because i didn't like to see the openoffice faenza icons on my gnome-desktop. When you see them, you'll have an idea of what I mean. http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=138257 if that's possible, I'd like to help improving the icons, which i think don't have yet the style they deserve. i work with inkscape and gimp on ubuntu maverick. greetings tobias bernard -- Paulo José O. Amaro Computer Science Student Federal University of São João del-Rei WebDesigner / Linked Empresa Júnior Blogger / casatwain.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Proposal for the Cross-Reference dialog
Hi Björn, Sorry, just now I saw this email. I'm having many problems with my email client (I think it is looking for revenge because my Forums thread, hahaha), so if there are any email that I didn't replied, please call my attention. :) My reply: On 01-02-2011 19:13, Björn Balazs wrote: I agree. This is the very basic differentiation. I followed that in the mindmap. But I alos think this is not the most relevant differentiation for about 99% of the use-cases. Because you can only create References, Bookmarks (and I guess variables and stuff I do not yet understand). Nearly no users - except from power users - will use this features. So this functionallity needs to be there but should step a little to the back. It's true, I didn't think trough this point of view. Thanks for explaining that way, the whole is clearer now. But just a note: references are very important in my documents and its the only field type I already used in this dialog actually. Maybe this happen for others too. It is problematic that there are s many fields. This makes it hard to find the field you want. This is way I tried to do some categorizastion of the fields. Yeah, I admit it would take more clicks, but maybe It it one of the foundations of cognitive psychologiy. If you should have any information that I do not have, please give it to me! You can of course use methods of chunking to extend this information, but the number of 7+-2 simply is the capacity of your short term memory. No discussions I know of :) (Ok, can be less, e.g. when you drunk a lot of alcohol - but not talking about any clinical aspects) Well, I can't present any evidence, it was just my intuition and memory about things I had read. I'm personally a bit worry about these exacty numbers. Stress situations, like a final day to finish a big college work, could not change these values? And also the organization of the options on the screen? But it seems to be no important things to care about now, since they can be solved (or even more affected) by other choices of this wizard. If you take too few categories, the tree gets very deep. This is not good either. I actually agree, but maybe there are some way to avoid go very deep in the tree path. I suggest to rethink the whole dialogue. And we can only find the best solution if we understand what users do in here and what they use the fields for. I think the following is true, but I am not sure that is all. Yeah, again I agree totally. Now the whole issue is clearer to me. Since I saw your [wiki] fisrt organization, I perceived my solution (Create/Use) can not hold on all the possibilities that good. We will need this anyway - and Cederic actually initiated working on this topic. Hopefully he is not scared about the scope the whole discussion takes :) - Cederic: are you? It's great! I didn't know Cederic is part of the developing team! Really great! :) Best regards, ~Paulo -- Paulo José O. Amaro Computer Science Student Federal University of São João del-Rei WebDesigner / Linked Empresa Júnior Blogger / casatwain.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Impress(ing) Templates
Hi Kevin, all, Yeah, we need some help with typography too. There's someway to include fonts (open source) in a template? Just like is done in PDF files... It would be great and improve a lot our presentations. Over, I'm working in some general templates too, just to help our start. :D I'll post them in my [new] blog when its finished. http://paulojose-brainstorm.blogspot.com/2011/02/bachianas-no1-libreoffice-templates.html On 01-02-2011 19:40, Kevin Soviero wrote: Alright, How about we carve template design up into sections, one (or more) for each of us... For example, I am good at making the background (not just cause its easy ;)), and I can coordinate colors. We need someone to do the technical stuff (title placement, etc...) , and we need to come up with the subjects to base the templates on. Your list is a very good start though... Any other jobs you can think of? On 01/31/2011 08:43 PM, Paulo José wrote: It's a great idea! I think some steps to start this should be: 1. Choose some main topics to cover with the templates, for all types of presentation: school, enterprise, marketing... 2. Look for the real presentations in each topics. There are many sites of slide sharing, when you can find the most rated presentations. I gives the feeling of what is needed to achieve in each template. 3. Work hard to create the best templates in a office suite ever! :D Count with me, ~Paulo I ever start with the Ubuntu one... :P On 31-01-2011 01:45, Kevin Soviero wrote: As I am sure most of you have noticed by now, the default set of templates from OOo Impress is terrible. I was wondering if I were to make a set (lets say 10 - 20) of really high quality templates for Impress, if we could get them included by default? -- Paulo José O. Amaro Computer Science Student Federal University of São João del-Rei WebDesigner / Linked Empresa Júnior Blogger / casatwain.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] MimeType icons: final run!
Thanks Barnhard! I didn't see the gradient was wrong - my fault. Good it was correct in time. :) -- Paulo José O. Amaro Estudante de Ciência da Computação / UFSJ Webdesigner / Linked E.J. Blogueiro / CasaTwain.com 2011/2/2 Bernhard Dippold bernh...@familie-dippold.at Paulo José Amaro schrieb: Even more quickly: Can someone show me the rip-off line in the Impress icon? I actually didn't see it. :P The background of the inner area is too dark - Gradient goes from LibreMarron2 to LibreMarron3 instead of 3 - 4 (The other icons use a lighter gradient, therefore the rip-off looks lighter too) (Already in earlier versions and in the 256px version too) If I remember correctly - just wanted to tell you instantly. Best regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.orgdesign%2bh...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] MimeType icons: final run!
No, my detailing in the Jaron gear was not good, actually. Use your version, I insist. :) And there's a portuguese expression that says: The hurry is enemy of the perfection... So I uploaded my latest file to the wrong file in the wiki... Sorry for that, I already restored the right version of the Initial icons and i'm uploading my current version - now - in the right place. *shame* -- Paulo José O. Amaro Estudante de Ciência da Computação / UFSJ Webdesigner / Linked E.J. Blogueiro / CasaTwain.com 2011/2/2 Bernhard Dippold bernh...@familie-dippold.at Hi Paulo, * Paulo José Amaro schrieb: Very quickly: i'm personally for the Jaron Gear. I've done the detailing job on it too, but the proposal here looks better actually. :D Better than yours? I can't imagine (I only copied your shadings to Jaron's gears) Unfortunately I can't get your file from the wiki: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOffice_Initial_Icons-Paulo.svg still shows the old one (even with forced reload). You uploaded a new version of this file: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOffice_Initial_Icons_source.svg But it shows the old Macro icons too. Can you help me? Best regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.orgdesign%2bh...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Proposal for the Cross-Reference dialog
Hi Björn! On 30-01-2011 13:47, Björn Balazs wrote: First of all: Thank you - great work! Your mocks point us to the unsolved fundations I wanted to work on today, but unfortunately won't come to. But I will spend a couple of hours in a train tomorrow, so I am optimistic I get to some results then. The fundations we need to understand, before we can actually find a really good interface solution is a clustering of the different types of fields. You have done the clustering by New and Existing. I am not 100% convinced this is the best clustering, because it is too general. Well, basically I understand there are 2 general actions related to fields from the user point of view: create and use them. It's my first thinking when needing a reference or other meta information about the document that I'm working. When you need to create a field, there are different ways to achieve this depending of the type field. When you need to use a field, you *know* that it already exist, so its an automatic choice to avoid the first option set a new field. And for any type of field you wanna to insert, it's the same workflow: you must 1. find the field, 2. choose how display the field information. I would like to find someting between perhaps 5 to 10 (ideal would be 7 - remember the limitations in the human short term memory) categories, the user can decide in the first step. Well, the limitation of 7 rememberable of the human short term memory is a controversial issue... It seems to depend of context and other circumstantial factors. If it is possible to limit the choice to a minor amount of possibilities, keeping it clear, why not do it? :/ Even more if you think in the future additions of new fields... Keeping the first step easy helps to make the next steps clearer. Each presenting again 5 to 10 fields that in the next step can be configured (would give us room for up to 100 different types of fields we can add to LibO, so making this a sustainable solution for whatever kind of fields will be added in the future). My main problem here is, that I do not understand all types of fields available - which would be very helpful if trying to find a decent clustering... Yeah, this is a problem to me too. But I try to think in a field just how an information. The user knows what wants and knows the computer has or can be have this information. The point is how to say to the computer: 1. which information you want, 2. what to do with this information. 1. Which information you want? - I want a information the computer already knows or I want [can to use] a new information 2. What to do with this information? - I want to show it in this or other way. From this point of view (Which? What?) is possible that the approach of Create/Use (What?) and then choose the field type (Which?) seems to be reversed, but if you perceive that some information can't be create in a dialog (like a paragraph per example), reversing them is a most efficient way to present these questions. Additionally we should introduce some comfort functionallity like a filter mechanism, recently used or perhaps even favorite fields for quick retrival of the wanted fields. For sure its a great idea. Filtering by type or pattern matching, auto-complete the search, recently used shortcuts already in the first step (saving the last inputs for all steps), and grouping references are good ways to go! :D But we will need a big support from the developers and would be great have their help to know all the current possibilities. Summing it up: Version 2 is much better than version 1, but still leaves room for further improvement. I'd like to hear more opinions about it. I still think having a simple choice in the first step is better. :/ But of couse, my thinking is very much based in the *bad* only way I've imagined to display the Step 1 in the version 2. I hope we can find a better way. Ok, more - including some mocks and a suggestion for a clustering - hopefully tomorrow. We are doing big steps to the right direction. Its good when the doubts come up in the beginning! See you, Björn! :) ~Paulo -- Paulo José O. Amaro Computer Science Student Federal University of São João del-Rei WebDesigner / Linked Empresa Júnior Blogger / casatwain.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[libreoffice-design] Proposal for Saving Information icons on Status Bar
Hello everybody! Some days ago, Christoph suggested me [1] to give a try to an already knew issue, related to icons used to show saving information on the status bar. The current icon shows an exclamation mark on a document when the document have not saved changes, and some people think may be better ways to represent this status. Looking up the past discussions about this issue to understand what was done, I found some interesting links [2] [3]. So, based on what was discussed, I tried to create new icons to this behavior, based on the initial mimetype icons style. I keep two version, since the current icon is 14px tall, but a source [4] says the status bar icons must be 11px tall. I used some different (*) character to follow the suggestion of some people. Versions on 16x14px: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Status-bar-icons-saved-file-16x14px.svg Versions on 14x11px: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Status-bar-icons-saved-file-14x11px.svg I hope it can be useful in some way. :) Best regards, ~Paulo [1] Small Icon Artwork Project (was: Re: [libreoffice-design] KickingOff the LibreOffice Design Team) http://go.mail-archive.com/ZXUvilyqV8RdwiU-erOUILtRjfA [2] [Visual Design] Request for Icon Artwork (was: Re: [Libreoffice] [UX] LO status bar annoyances) http://www.mail-archive.com/design@libreoffice.org/msg00087.html [3] HackWeek – Minor polish http://kohei.us/2009/07/27/hackweek-minor-polish/ [4] New feature icons: Zoom Scaling Slider http://ui.openoffice.org/VisualDesign/OOo_icons_zoomslider.html#iconszoom -- Paulo José O. Amaro Computer Science Student Federal University of São João del-Rei WebDesigner / Linked Empresa Júnior Blogger / casatwain.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[libreoffice-design] Some help in my current work
Hi all! Since I came to LibreOffice design team (what's wrong with this word? hauahauaha) I started to work in some subjects. For one in particullar I would like to ask more help. It's the issue about the wizard dialog. Two days ago I made two HTML mock-ups of this wizard and I would be very grateful if some people could spend some time to interact with it and give me some feedback about which direction to take. :) The original email is in: http://www.mail-archive.com/design@libreoffice.org/msg00548.html Also if more people can join us, Björn, Cedric and me, in this work, it would be great! :) Thanks in advance! ~Paulo -- Paulo José O. Amaro Computer Science Student Federal University of São João del-Rei WebDesigner / Linked Empresa Júnior Blogger / casatwain.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Migrating from Mail Listing to Forum
Hi all, I think any proposal to remove the mail listing to use just the forum is impossible and this discussion is totally unnecessary. :/ What I'm proposing, *again*, is just lets keep both ways... We actually can do that, it is *not* a binary choice. :) Bernhard, maybe you could help me with these issues: 1. How to put all related emails in an only thread? Everyday a new email from an old threat appears in the mail listing as a new thread, creating duplicate threads. It make the search for a specific email a painful task. 2. How to link for an specific thread in a easy way. Currently, I need go to the mail listing website and search manually for the thread. There's no way to link an email message. 3. How can I see my own messages in my mail Inbox, together with the thread? (How it should suppose to be). Sometimes its annoying to see a reply to an your message that is not there. 4. How to see a only thread in a plain view (not like a tree view). Sometimes the order of answers in the tree view just not make sense. All these issues could be solved integrating the mail listing to a forum. We could create any restrictions to made both compatible. :D In my opinion, it's clear that advantages of a more organized discussion have direct effect about the productivity and the time spend on it. :) Best wishes, ~Paulo -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: [libreoffice-design] Migrating from Mail Listing to Forum
Hi Bernhard! I read your both emails (short and long version) and I really perceived your point. I actually understand that is not a question for now and maybe neither for the near future, too because there was many unproductive discussions about it. So it's alright for me. ;) I already do use of all the provided features (folders, stars, automatic filters, thread view... ) by my mail clients (Thunderbird and Google Gmail), but I'll try learn more about using mail listing to make it a better experience. If you all have been done it for years, I can do it too for sure. :) Thank you for spend your time to explain all the history about this issue. ~Paulo -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Icons ready? - DVD label
Hi again Andy! Just right now I saw this message: On 29-01-2011 23:38, Andy Brown wrote: Paulo, I have a question for you. On the CD/DVD labels, how does on separate the two labels? I have downloaded the Community labels but want to use the Green version so I need to separate them. TIA Andy Well, I just sent to Daniela my current version of the mimetype icons. Not actually a CD/DVD labels. But I guess I know what are you talking about. If you want to separate the green CD from this image - http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOffice_CDS_Distributor_Label.jpg you should use GIMP. I made this job to you and attached the files in this email (look in your personal emails). But the image was in JPG originally, so I think you should contact Daniel Moretz, the actual author of them and ask for a vector format version like SVG for better printing. :) See you, ~Paulo -- Paulo José O. Amaro Computer Science Student Federal University of São João del-Rei WebDesigner / Linked Empresa Júnior Blogger / casatwain.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] MimeType icons: More time for improvements...
Hi Ivan, Mike, all, Thank you for your positive comments! Thank you too for the great feedback with good suggestions. It's harder to make this little sharper details to small icons because they are already sharp and it's easy to overdo... So I made a new version for the 256px's icons and added some few details to the 128px's version. Here is a image with the Christoph 128px's icons, my 128px's version and below the new 256px icons, all together to compare the changes (it's hard to see them alone). http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOffice_Initial_Icons-Paulo-3-comparacao.png On 24-01-2011 06:41, Ivan M. wrote: [...] Some feedback from me: I agree with Mike that the Base icon looks a little out of place because it appears very shiny and IMHO our icons should not really go for the shiny look but rather for depth (which you did extremely well with the Impress icon). Thank you! I realized what you said about how the Base icon is out of place, so I tried decrease the white border and the gradient. I think now it is almost fine! :) I wanna know your opinions about it. Maybe need to decrease it more. Also, now that the graphics inside the document have so much depth and 'special effects', the outlines look very flat by comparison. This is where maybe a small inner shadow might help to add some depth. Well, I tried some inner shadows, but I didn't achieve a great solution... :( Maybe I didn't got your idea very well. I'll post this request on the website list. Oh Thank you! I didn't know who to ask. Thank you, Paulo and well done - keep it up :) Thank YOU for the incentive! :D -- Paulo José O. Amaro Computer Science Student Federal University of São João del-Rei WebDesigner / Linked Empresa Júnior Blogger / casatwain.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] MimeType icons: More time for improvements...
Hi Christoph! On 24-01-2011 17:01, Christoph Noack wrote: Hi Paulo! Summary: Wow! Thank you! :D Your icons are great, I just added some details. True, I never thought that somebody would take it up - I simply thought about resizing the 128px icons instead. One can be so wrong :-) However, to make you aware of that - only Windows 7 requires such icons at the moment. Maybe this helps you to prioritize your efforts if there are some ;-) I didn't know that Windows 7 uses the 256px, it's cool! When I made them, I was thinking about branding and better printing , but it's nice the Windows 7 really uses them! :D This might be helpful for you - although it is not that much content, I once wrote a few lines to make all the artwork fit together well: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Branding#Branding Very nice, thank you for this link! :) Based in your tips, I removed the gloss from Draw icon. Sadly I don't think I can remove the color blending of the objects with gradient without lost my own style. But no problem if it must be done to follow the tip Balanced: The visual design avoids any extremes. For example, neither extreme coloring nor intensive surface shining effects are used. ;) Thanks, Ivan. In the meantime we might use ZIP files (allowed, although the admins don't like it for good reasons) or keep the SVG files. One of the advantages is, that the preview within Firefox (or other browsers) let's people quickly have a look at it. It's true, I didn't think about it. Well, it seems that worth to upload the SVG file.:) Here is my last version: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOffice_Initial_Icons-Paulo.svg Thank you for the nice comment, Christoph! Best regards! -- Paulo José O. Amaro Computer Science Student Federal University of São João del-Rei WebDesigner / Linked Empresa Júnior Blogger / casatwain.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Kicking Off the LibreOffice Design Team
Hi Chrtoph, all On 22-01-2011 22:18, Christoph Noack wrote: Hi all! [...] Originally, I've planned to send out the invitations today, but since David asked for some content for the Get Involved - Designers Site [1], this text [2] might be re-usable for the request. So I'd like to wait for David's / your comments until tomorrow ... The firt time I saw this page my enthusiasm waned a bit... :( I thought if the other pages (developers, etc) were this way too... And it was bad to see that all they was so encouraging and full of interesting content, and only the designers page is so, you know, empty and cold. Now it's actually great to see the interest to write some words in this page, 'cause motivation is essential to make people want to join us! :D @ Paulo: Raised hands! And feets too! So, a usability professional that can also fly? :-) Theis is the kind of things that we don't learn in highschool... :P To be honest, great summary concerning the dialog you've made - with regard to the short time. Of course, some things might stay or need tweaking (because of: constraints, use cases, ...), but great start! Thank you! I'm really excited to resume the progress in this topic, or even related issues. But I'm waiting for a community decision on which projects that we should get envolved from now, which are our priorities. I'm begining to realise how things works better when we have goals looking at the big picture. See you all -- Paulo José O. Amaro Computer Science Student Federal University of São João del-Rei WebDesigner / Linked Empresa Júnior Blogger / casatwain.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Hi everybody!
Hi Berhnard! We're looking forward to working with you! Welcome here on the list! :D Me too about workin with you all. :D Thank you! Not everybody here has the possibility to work with Photoshop, so we try to rely mainly on tools like Inkscape and GIMP. Yeah, me too for now. When I migrate to Ubuntu, I stoped to work with Photoshop and dedicate myselft totaly to Gimp, and I'm in love! No talking about Inkscape, the best vector tool I ever seen! I don't know if you already thought of licensing your work. We're part of an open source community and therefore we recommend to provide our graphical contributions under a open source license too. To ease your work you don't need to describe the license you want and provide a link to it when you upload any file to the wiki. At the bottom of the upload page you can choose among different license templates to be added to your contribution. Yeah, I like to publish my work under the Creative Commons license, allowing derivate work when it's possible. And I'm happy to see this native support in the LibO's wiki. For artwork and design drafts that might become a basis for inclusion in the LibreOffice source code (like the icons we're working on at the moment) we recommend to use the triple license CC by-sa, LGPL 3+ and MPL 1.1. Other artwork can be licensed under CC by-sa only (or any other license you choose), but my personal position is, that this triple license seems to cover all probable use-cases of my work, so I use it for any of my contributions. Thank you for the advise. I began to work on some 256px icons from the Christoph version, but I am not achieving to keep the original style, so I'll try again and share if I get sucess. Sorry, if this sounds confusing, but I thought, it would be reasonable to tell you in advance... Nothing confusing, these tips about licensing was very welcome.. I'm sure we can have a lot of fun and work together on all the upcoming tasks in UX/UI, visual design and branding - don't by shy to comment / criticize any mockups presented here: We strongly believe that collaborative work will lead to even better results than individual contribution. I'm sure that I will love to stay here with you all and this is the colaborative spirit I want to share in my whole life! :D Thank you for this warm welcome! Regards! -- Paulo José O. Amaro Computer Science Student Federal University of São João del-Rei WebDesigner / Linked Empresa Júnior Blogger / casatwain.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Hi everybody!
On 21-01-2011 07:08, Ivan M. wrote: A warm welcome from me as well - it's great to see new people here. I've just finished a BSc in Computer Science myself, and it's great to see you have an interest in design too. Thank you very much for your warm welcome! It's great to see other geek (oops), computer science student here! :P Sadly, in my class I'm the only who likes design+computing... :( I really liked to know you Ivan! +1 :) :D That must've been a big project - congratulations! If you're interested in website design, you might also consider joining the website list where many of us are also subscribed on. Thanks! I'll take a look on these links for sure. I really liked the work done on the website. The Twitter integration and the color pallete chosen are very welcome! :) If you know your way around Inkscape, you'll fit right in. Some of us here (mostly Christoph, Bernhard and Jaron) are working on new mimetype (file) icons for LibreOffice at [1] so if you're interested feel free to join in that effort. Berhnard and Christoph showed me this link and I'm happy to see your effort on the icons set! Icons are not my speciality, but I would to try. I must to say the current visual identity is objective, beautiful and consise. :D Absolutely, it's great to have you on board. I've outlined a few of the things we are working on here. However, if you're interested in development as well, you may consider looking at the Developers page [2] Hopefully you'll find something you like here :) Thank you again for the warm welcome! For sure i'm feeling in home. :) Regards -- Paulo José O. Amaro Computer Science Student Federal University of São João del-Rei WebDesigner / Linked Empresa Júnior Blogger / casatwain.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[libreoffice-design] Proposal for the Cross-Reference dialog
I made a superfitial analysis of usability and acessibility of the Cross-Reference dialog of Fields options and some proposes. Please see them in my user page the wiki. Comentaries, tips and changes will be very welcome! :) http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Paulojose#Improving_the_.22Cross-Reference_Window.22_UI_in_Fields_dialog_.402010-01-21 Regards -- Paulo José O. Amaro Estudante de Ciência da Computação / UFSJ Webdesigner / Linked E.J. Blogueiro / CasaTwain.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Kicking Off the LibreOffice Design Team
Raised hands! And feets too! :P I'm new, but stand by me. :) On 21-01-2011 20:30, Christoph Noack wrote: Hi all, I really enjoyed the today's introductions and discussions - and it seems to me, that we start to feel like a real team. And, some people offered help or already picked tough work items. This is just great, but it also shows that we soon need some more information on what we want to achieve, and how we will probably work together. At the moment, many of the required information is either spread over different mailing lists and wiki pages, hidden in people's heads, or not yet available. Something to change? Yes, but only with you! Since you've joined, you may know that one of the very first steps had been to ask for a mailing list and draft a wiki page [1]. That time, it had been decided to unify both Visual Design, and User Experience related topics. So, currently we talk about ... LibreOffice Design Team. Make it just work, and look great, too! But where to start? Well, I drafted a proposal and I'd like to hear your comments if this fits - in general. Details, e.g. how we solved this or that within OpenOffice.org might be added later, I think. But for now, please have a look at the list and add stuff you might to see / talk about as well. Steps: 1. Invite people who want to join / listen via a blog posting and on TDF discuss -- nobody should be missed 2. Summarize the current status of work / collaboration within the LibreOffice project -- get an overview what happened until now 3. Do some introduction to get to know each other -- guess why :-) 4. Collection of thoughts what we do need to organize / to do our work 5. Working on the urgent needs of our current project -- e.g. there have been requests to feed the development ;-) 6. Planning how to collect and to prioritize the future tasks -- think about what we want to archive mid- and long-term 7. Kick of one or more serious projects ... Anything missing, misleading, or even wrong? Please raise your hand :-) If you think it'll work, then we'll start. What do you think? See you, Christoph [1] http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design -- Paulo José O. Amaro Computer Science Student Federal University of São João del-Rei WebDesigner / Linked Empresa Júnior Blogger / casatwain.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[libreoffice-design] Hi everybody!
Hi! My name is Paulo José, 20. I'm a Brazilian Computer Science student and I've been an art lover along all my life. In last days I've discovered many new possibilities about the LibreOffice world. In january 17 I published some very basic mock-ups on DeviantArt website [1]; they show how I imagined the LibreOffice's UI could be. Then these mockups was posted by some interesting blogs [2] about Linux related news and it has very cool and exciting. I also met some people who have nice ideas too and even serious projects, like Citrus UI [3]. And now I'm very excitet to be here in this maillist, thanks to Berhnard Dippold and Christoph Noack that helped me very much and invited me to join the Design Team. Thank you very much guys! So, if you want to know more about me, here a short of my professional experience. In 2008's last months I and some colleagues became part of a research grounp about usability and accessibility under the guidance of two teachers. Our goal was analise the University's website and propose a new design of interface. We worked hard for one year, since the first online survey to know the previous site's problems, user test and card sorting analysis, passing by many creation steps, until the user tests on the website already online. We used some capturing softwares like Morae and at last an online survey to comparation purposes. It was an amazing experience and I learned a lot along the process. The resulting website [4] was rewarding and has good users feedback. Parallel to this, I worked on a interface for a Conference's website and the UI of its papers submission system [6] with our team of the Linked Junior Enterprise. I think this two projects gave me some practical and teorical - although very initial - knowledge about UI design. And by my whole life I worked (as amateur) with graphical programs like Photoshop, Gimp, Inkscape and Blender. And of course, I'm a big fan of the singer Shania Twain and the most part of my works [my old portfolio - 7] was inspirated by her! :D I also have a personal website dedicated to her [8]. English is not a language I dominate so much, but I actually hope to take part of LibreOffice's development. And I ask your help (and patience) to find the best way to do that. :) I hope become myself a deserver of your support. [1] - http://pauloup.deviantart.com/gallery/28216273 [2] - WebUpd8 http://www.webupd8.org/2011/01/libreoffice-user-interface-mockups-with.html, OMGUbuntu http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/01/yet-more-libreoffice-mock-ups-roll-in/ [3] - http://clickortap.wordpress.com [4] - http://www.ufsj.edu.br [5] - http://cbeb.linkedej.com.br/ [6] - http://www.linkedej.com.br/cbebreview/ [7] - http://pauloup.webs.com/wallpapers301400.htm [8] - http://casatwain.com/ -- Paulo José O. Amaro Computer Science Student Federal University of São João del-Rei WebDesigner / Linked Empresa Júnior Blogger / casatwain.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
