Re: Installer is Timing Out.

[OmPrakash Muppirala]

Rawgit might be a good option for us: https://rawgit.com/

If no one has objections, I can set this up.

Thanks,
Om

On Mon, Jun 11, 2018, 5:12 PM Alex Harui  wrote:

> Also, I think if we can find a volunteer to host the entire binary folder
> (and thus pay the bandwidth costs) that will solve the problem without
> requiring an update to the installer.
>
> My 2 cents,
> -Alex
>
> On 6/11/18, 5:05 PM, "Alex Harui"  wrote:
>
> Hmm. Are you proposing a new release of the installer?  The location
> of the apache-flex-sdk-installer-config.xml is supposed to be
> release-specific.  Each release can have its own version in case we need to
> change steps in the release, so I don't think we want to hardcode it to the
> URL you are using for testing.
>
> Did you say that if you use https to access this file on our website
> that it also fails?  I find that really interesting if you are also saying
> that the install does complete if we use https to download some of the
> artifacts like AIR29.  Can you verify that this is only an issue for
> hitting apache.org sites via HTTPS and make sure your AIR29 didn't come
> out of the download cache?
>
> If it is an HTTPS for apache.org only, I think we want to understand
> why and build a really small test case to show Infra.  Because if they made
> a config change on apache.org/dist, if one of the other places we
> download from make the same change we will be stuck again.
>
> Thoughts?
> -Alex
>
> On 6/11/18, 1:25 PM, "Piotr Zarzycki" 
> wrote:
>
> I simply placed link here [1].
>
> APACHE_FLEX_BIN_INSTALLER_URL =
> "
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fflex.apache.org%2Finstaller%2Fapache-flex-sdk-installer-config.xml=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7Ceda63602f32e4a98d35f08d5cfd97c84%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636643455386260834=8%2FKeViaRU2QlsM%2BDVqI9%2B5VwFRaoR3cYywVPiD8iiI4%3D=0
> "
>
>
> [1]
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fbit.ly%2F2JC5dcX=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7Ceda63602f32e4a98d35f08d5cfd97c84%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C1%7C636643455386260834=k3wKVwi2OH9dwPoTXlvYz4gKQnNs85II6JxH7GUSMPE%3D=0
>
> pon., 11 cze 2018 o 22:10 Alex Harui 
> napisał(a):
>
> > But what code knew to start looking at the website instead of
> dist?
> > Didn't something else need to change?  I'm trying to understand
> all of the
> > pieces.
> >
> > -Alex
> >
> > On 6/11/18, 12:34 PM, "Piotr Zarzycki" <
> piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Alex,
> >
> > When we are trying to read following file [1], we are
> getting time out
> > in
> > installer. I moved that file to our website [2] and locally
> tested
> > installer. - I got positive results. It's started to work.
> >
> > [1]
> >
> >
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.apache.org%2Fdist%2Fflex%2F4.16.1%2Fbinaries%2Fapache-flex-sdk-installer-config.xml=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7C8cf556e5bf954296e05908d5cfd26258%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636643424854057105=WaA3FpmHKJuhJI5Dpvxy6gfIBXOYBNg862fzTpLSucQ%3D=0
> > [2]
> >
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fflex.apache.org%2Finstaller%2Fapache-flex-sdk-installer-config.xml=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7C8cf556e5bf954296e05908d5cfd26258%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636643424854057105=nRM0G2Vsc3uVg9sg3SEiF%2FnKzmO34dUJACfhl47MbEc%3D=0
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Piotr
> >
> > pon., 11 cze 2018 o 17:24 Alex Harui
> 
> > napisał(a):
> >
> > > I think I'm lost.  The commit message shows that one file
> was added
> > to our
> > > site.  What file is pointing to it and how did it know to
> look at
> > our site?
> > >
> > > -Alex
> > >
> > > On 6/11/18, 12:58 AM, "Piotr Zarzycki" <
> piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I moved file on our website [1] and it's working. If I
> change it
> > to
> > > https
> > > we have time out issue as well. When file was used
> from my
> > server I
> > > also
> > > used https and it was working.
> > >
> > > Can we just use that location [1] and we will have
> installer
> > working ?
> > >
> > > [1]
> > >
> >
> 

Re: [VOTE] Apache Flex SDK Installer 3.3.1 RC3

[OmPrakash Muppirala]

+1 Binding

On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 11:45 AM, Piotr Zarzycki 
wrote:

> +1 (Binding)
>
> - I was able to build from sources
> - Downloading newest version of SDK went well on Mac and Windows
>
> Thanks,
> Piotr
>
> 2018-04-19 16:05 GMT+02:00 Fréderic Cox :
>
> > +1 | installer is working for me on both Windows and Mac
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 11:49 AM, Piotr Zarzycki <
> > piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > This is official thread for Vote to approve Apache Flex SDK Installer
> > > version 3.3.1 to be released.
> > >
> > > Release candidate contains fix for issue [1].
> > >
> > > Changes in RC3:
> > > - Update RELEASE_NOTES
> > > - Fixed year in some files
> > > - Fixes related to licenses
> > >
> > > In order to test fix install on installer on Windows and download
> newest
> > > Apache Flex SDK with newest Adobe Flash/Air version.
> > >
> > > Sources can be found:
> > > https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/flex/installer/3.3.1/rc3/
> > >
> > > Binary distributions for Windows and Mac:
> > > https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/flex/installer/3.3.1/
> > rc3/binaries/
> > >
> > > Before voting review ASF requirements:
> > > http://www.apache.org/dev/
> > > http://www.apache.org/legal/release-policy.html#approving-a-release
> > >
> > > Vote
> > > [ ] +1 Approve the release
> > > [ ] -1 Veto the release (please provide specific comments)
> > >
> > > This vote will be open for at least 72 hours.
> > >
> > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX-35381
> > > [2]
> > > http://apache-flex-development.247.n4.nabble.
> > com/VOTE-Apache-Flex-SDK-
> > > Installer-3-3-1-RC1-tp65165p65172.html
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > --
> > >
> > > Piotr Zarzycki
> > >
> > > Patreon: *https://www.patreon.com/piotrzarzycki
> > > *
> > >
> >
>
>
>
> --
>
> Piotr Zarzycki
>
> Patreon: *https://www.patreon.com/piotrzarzycki
> *
>

Re: [Discuss] Apache Flex SDK Installer 3.3.1 RC2*

[OmPrakash Muppirala]

Alex, Justin,

Before you go any further into this discussion, please remember that
technically we don't even need to release the source for this.  No one is
going to download the source artifacts for the Installer.

The Installer is a convenience application we provide to our users so that
they can easily download and assemble the SDK.

Please keep the big picture in the mind before starting another licensing
discussion.  This list is very big and we don't want to waste the time with
inconsequential discussions.

Thanks,
Om

On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 10:49 AM, Alex Harui 
wrote:

> Hi Justin,
>
> I've asked Adobe Legal similar questions in the past.  Adobe Legal will
> say it is fine because it is related to Flex and was already out there
> with a open source license, and even better, an Apache license.  It would
> be bit trickier if it wasn't already ALv2, and much harder/impossible if
> it didn't already have an OS license.  I suppose I could go bug some
> higher up to nod in agreement, but they have every time so far.  Maybe if
> someone files a suit against Apache I'll go do that.
>
> Adobe is happy to share code.  I'm happy to share code.  I'm sorry you are
> not happy and feel you must attack me for pointing out an error in your
> assessment of the situation.  I just want our users to be able to safely
> use our code and install Flex with fewer problems.
>
> -Alex
>
>
> On 4/19/18, 2:47 AM, "Justin Mclean"  wrote:
>
> >Hi,
> >
> >So Alex as an Adobe employee you're happy that someone took Adobe
> >licensed code (assuming that is the case) that wasn’t part of a grant to
> >the ASF and added it to the code base with ASF headers? What do you think
> >Adobe legal might say about this? No need to ask them I just asking you
> >think what they might say. I’m guessing they may have a small issue with
> >that.
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Justin
>
>

Re: [VOTE] Apache Flex SDK Installer 3.3.1 RC2

[OmPrakash Muppirala]

+1 Binding

On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 3:39 PM, Alex Harui 
wrote:

> +1
>
> Although I wish we had updated the RELEASE_NOTES.
>
> -Alex
>
> On 4/17/18, 12:01 PM, "Piotr Zarzycki"  wrote:
>
> > Alex,
> >
> >I've answered you in discussion thread.
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Piotr
> >
> >2018-04-17 20:41 GMT+02:00 Alex Polmans :
> >
> >> I tried the installer on Windows 8. A number of dlls were missing
> >> (objc.dll,  cairo.dll, libxml2.dll, libxslt.dll, zlib1.dll,
> >>libiuuc.dll).
> >> After finding and installing them, I could not get the Flex SDK
> >>Installer
> >> to run at all.  It is in the processes list but has no GUI.
> >>
> >> If you are assuming the existence of these dlls, then can we get a list
> >>of
> >> where to get good copies from, or can you include them in the installer.
> >>
> >> Alex
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Piotr Zarzycki [mailto:piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com]
> >> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2018 11:53 PM
> >> To: dev@flex.apache.org
> >> Subject: [VOTE] Apache Flex SDK Installer 3.3.1 RC2
> >>
> >>  Hi Folks,
> >>
> >> This is official thread for Vote to approve Apache Flex SDK Installer
> >> version 3.3.1 to be released.
> >>
> >> Release candidate contains fix for issue [1].
> >>
> >> Changes in RC2:
> >> - Used proper certificate to build version on Windows
> >> - Fixed issue pointed Phil Haeusler [2]
> >>
> >> In order to test fix install on installer on Windows and download newest
> >> Apache Flex SDK with newest Adobe Flash/Air version.
> >>
> >> Sources can be found:
> >>
> >>https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> https%3A%2F%2Fdist.apa
> >>che.org%2Frepos%2Fdist%2Fdev%2Fflex%2Finstaller%2F3.
> 3.1%2Frc2%2F=02%
> >>7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7C7d06486e44df4969a6e708d5a495
> b26f%7Cfa7b1b5a7b
> >>34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636595885215835903&
> sdata=VAO48o6PXrsLqrh
> >>kJZb2yeyXBUoK4RVl%2B8uLPzKGV2U%3D=0
> >>
> >> Binary distributions for Windows and Mac:
> >>
> >>*https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> https%3A%2F%2Fdist.ap
> >>ache.org%2Frepos%2Fdist%2Fdev%2Fflex%2Finstaller%2F3.
> 3.1%2Frc2%2Fbinaries
> >>%2F=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7C7d06486e44df4969a6e708d5a495
> b26f%
> >>7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%
> 7C636595885215835903=9e9
> >>LAvbDAP9E3kWu2wF0DAQ0GUQ5ofo4lo2vBthoUnw%3D=0
> >>
> >> https%3A%2F%2Fdist.ap
> >>ache.org%2Frepos%2Fdist%2Fdev%2Fflex%2Finstaller%2F3.
> 3.1%2Frc2%2Fbinaries
> >>%2F=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7C7d06486e44df4969a6e708d5a495
> b26f%
> >>7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%
> 7C636595885215835903=9e9
> >>LAvbDAP9E3kWu2wF0DAQ0GUQ5ofo4lo2vBthoUnw%3D=0
> >> >*
> >>
> >> Before voting review ASF requirements:
> >>
> >>https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> http%3A%2F%2Fwww.apach
> >>e.org%2Fdev%2F=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%
> 7C7d06486e44df4969a6e708
> >>d5a495b26f%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%
> 7C63659588521583590
> >>3=I%2B0T9D%2FOhjWCU5nW1OVk25GqxEqb16pQzRYd4g60I6w%3D=0
> >>
> >>https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> http%3A%2F%2Fwww.apach
> >>e.org%2Flegal%2Frelease-policy.html%23approving-a-
> release=02%7C01%7C
> >>aharui%40adobe.com%7C7d06486e44df4969a6e708d5a495
> b26f%7Cfa7b1b5a7b3443879
> >>4aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636595885215835903=
> nD732CsaIFnfKxUeZgFfKO
> >>LpZO9flZcb9XlFJOFwLY4%3D=0
> >>
> >> Vote
> >> [ ] +1 Approve the release
> >> [ ] -1 Veto the release (please provide specific comments)
> >>
> >> This vote will be open for at least 72 hours.
> >>
> >> [1]
> >>https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> https%3A%2F%2Fissues.a
> >>pache.org%2Fjira%2Fbrowse%2FFLEX-35381=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com
> %
> >>7C7d06486e44df4969a6e708d5a495b26f%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178de
> cee1%7C0
> >>%7C0%7C636595885215835903=v08RRCYDd0ESNzomKJtr5fV%
> 2FQ%2FBRZw7ilN%2B
> >>HcdsT%2Bvw%3D=0
> >> [2]
> >>
> >>https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> http%3A%2F%2Fapache-fl
> >>ex-development.247.n4.nabble.com%2FVOTE-Apache-Flex-
> SDK-=02%7C01
> >>%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7C7d06486e44df4969a6e708d5a495
> b26f%7Cfa7b1b5a7b3443
> >>8794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636595885215835903=
> 57EAso0jd7a0PkB1%2B
> >>Kehv7zNuUx%2BuQr9iza87SHu6lM%3D=0
> >> Installer-3-3-1-RC1-tp65165p65172.html
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> --
> >>
> >> Piotr Zarzycki
> >>
> >> Patreon:
> >>*https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> https%3A%2F%2Fwww.pat
> >>reon.com%2Fpiotrzarzycki=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com
> %7C7d06486e44df
> >>4969a6e708d5a495b26f%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178de
> cee1%7C0%7C0%7C6365958
> >>85215835903=J%2BzUn3TYTAYQyo7XhALNLlN7%
> 2Fy6GAi3ylUgP%2Byt7ssM%3D
> >>served=0
> >>
> >> https%3A%2F%2Fwww.pat
> >>reon.com%2Fpiotrzarzycki=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com
> %7C7d06486e44df
> 

Re: [Discuss] Apache Flex SDK Installer 3.3.1 RC2*

[OmPrakash Muppirala]

I was able to install the app fine.  The SDK was downloaded fine as well,
but it looks like Adobe AIR took a very long time to load.

Thanks,
Om

On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 12:14 PM, alexp  wrote:

> I have had Flash Builder, Flash Professional, Animate 2015 and Animate
> 2017,
> and AIR on this machine for many years with no problems. It looked like the
> install worked correctly - it just needs correct libraries to run.
>
>
>
> --
> Sent from: http://apache-flex-development.247.n4.nabble.com/
>

Re: [Discuss] Apache Flex SDK Installer 3.3.1 RC1*

[OmPrakash Muppirala]

Thank you!  I will be around for an hour or so.  I can help test if you put
out an RC in that duration.

Regards,
Om

On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 11:09 PM, Piotr Zarzycki <piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Om,
>
> It looks like you are right. I did use proper one for Mac build, but I see
> that those for Windows are not the right one. Sorry about that. I will cut
> another RC! :/
>
> Thanks,
> Piotr
>
> 2018-04-17 8:04 GMT+02:00 OmPrakash Muppirala <bigosma...@gmail.com>:
>
> > Piotr,
> >
> > I just tried this on Windows and I am getting the same error:
> >
> > The application cannot be installed due to a certificate problem.  The
> > > certificate does not match the installed application certificate, does
> > not
> > > support application upgrades, or is invalid.  Please contact the
> > > application author.
> >
> >
> > I have version 3.3.0 installed currently.
> >
> > It appears that you might have used the wrong cert to sign the installer
> > binary.  Can you please double check?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Om
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 10:48 PM, Piotr Zarzycki <
> > piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Phil,
> > >
> > > As for the passphrase - It's not about pass to the certificate. It was
> > bout
> > > passphrase to the signing key. I'm surprised that you couldn't
> overwrite
> > > old version of the installer, assuming that you had previously 3.3.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Piotr
> > >
> > > 2018-04-17 7:17 GMT+02:00 Piotr Zarzycki <piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com>:
> > >
> > > > Hi Phil,
> > > >
> > > > Can you try to install Apache Flex 4.16.1 with  Air 29 and report
> back
> > to
> > > > me?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Piotr
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Apr 16, 2018, 11:15 PM Piotr Zarzycki <
> > piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com
> > > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Hi,
> > > >>
> > > >> This is official discuss thread! I need folks who try installer
> > > >> especially on Windows with newest Apache Flex SDK.
> > > >>
> > > >> Thanks,
> > > >> --
> > > >>
> > > >> Piotr Zarzycki
> > > >>
> > > >> Patreon: *https://www.patreon.com/piotrzarzycki
> > > >> <https://www.patreon.com/piotrzarzycki>*
> > > >>
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Piotr Zarzycki
> > >
> > > Patreon: *https://www.patreon.com/piotrzarzycki
> > > <https://www.patreon.com/piotrzarzycki>*
> > >
> >
>
>
>
> --
>
> Piotr Zarzycki
>
> Patreon: *https://www.patreon.com/piotrzarzycki
> <https://www.patreon.com/piotrzarzycki>*
>

Re: [Discuss] Apache Flex SDK Installer 3.3.1 RC1*

[OmPrakash Muppirala]

Piotr,

I just tried this on Windows and I am getting the same error:

The application cannot be installed due to a certificate problem.  The
> certificate does not match the installed application certificate, does not
> support application upgrades, or is invalid.  Please contact the
> application author.


I have version 3.3.0 installed currently.

It appears that you might have used the wrong cert to sign the installer
binary.  Can you please double check?

Thanks,
Om

On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 10:48 PM, Piotr Zarzycki 
wrote:

> Phil,
>
> As for the passphrase - It's not about pass to the certificate. It was bout
> passphrase to the signing key. I'm surprised that you couldn't overwrite
> old version of the installer, assuming that you had previously 3.3.
>
> Thanks,
> Piotr
>
> 2018-04-17 7:17 GMT+02:00 Piotr Zarzycki :
>
> > Hi Phil,
> >
> > Can you try to install Apache Flex 4.16.1 with  Air 29 and report back to
> > me?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Piotr
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 16, 2018, 11:15 PM Piotr Zarzycki  >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> This is official discuss thread! I need folks who try installer
> >> especially on Windows with newest Apache Flex SDK.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> --
> >>
> >> Piotr Zarzycki
> >>
> >> Patreon: *https://www.patreon.com/piotrzarzycki
> >> *
> >>
> >
>
>
> --
>
> Piotr Zarzycki
>
> Patreon: *https://www.patreon.com/piotrzarzycki
> *
>

Re: [DRAFT] Apache Flex SDK Installer 3.3.0 Released

[OmPrakash Muppirala]

Okay, looks like the certs have not expired:

PS C:\p\documents\certificates\apache> openssl pkcs12 -in
.\installapacheflex_self.p12 -out certificate.pem -nodes
Enter Import Password:
MAC verified OK
PS C:\p\documents\certificates\apache> cat certificate.pem | openssl x509
-noout -enddate
notAfter=Aug 30 08:43:51 2037 GMT

The only possibility now is that the previous versions were signed with a
different cert.  I guess we just need to add a note in the announce email
to uninstall the previous version, IFF there is a certificate error durring
installation.

Thanks,
Om

On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 11:47 PM, Piotr Zarzycki <piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Om,
>
> Thanks for explanation. I sent you certificates.
>
> Piotr
>
> 2017-11-23 8:16 GMT+01:00 OmPrakash Muppirala <bigosma...@gmail.com>:
>
> > On Nov 22, 2017 10:13 PM, "Piotr Zarzycki" <piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > Hi Om,
> >
> > I'm not sure what do you mean by checked previous version. I did check
> > Installer 3.2 and it not have such tab as Moonshine or Adobe Extension
> > Manager.
> >
> >
> > This is how I understand how all this works:
> >
> > I think Moonshine probably got a certificate from a trusted Certificate
> > Authority.  That way, the OS which probably already has the the root
> > certificate and can thus verify the validity of the Moonshine IDE.
> >
> > The certificate we use for signing the installer was a self created cert.
> > So, if you manually install the certificate, then the OS can verify the
> > signature of the Installer binary.
> >
> > In our case, there is a good chance that our certificate has expired.
> Can
> > you send it to me privately so I can try to check its validity?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Om
> >
> >
> > Thanks, Piotr
> >
> > 2017-11-22 23:13 GMT+01:00 OmPrakash Muppirala <bigosma...@gmail.com>:
> >
> > > On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 2:06 PM, Piotr Zarzycki <
> > piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com
> > > >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Om,
> > > >
> > > > Well I'm not so sure. I'm also not an expert in signing, but for
> > example
> > > > Moonshine have also some signing certs and I see that tab "Digital
> > > > Signature" after installation.
> > > >
> > > > Piotr
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > Have you checked the previous releases?
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > 2017-11-22 23:02 GMT+01:00 OmPrakash Muppirala <bigosma...@gmail.com
> >:
> > > >
> > > > > On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 12:51 PM, piotrz <
> piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Guys,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Something is totally wrong. I just installed Installer 3.2 and
> > check
> > > > > > whether
> > > > > > it has digital sign and it's not. For the comparison I've checked
> > > > "Adobe
> > > > > > Extension Manager CS6" and properties looks like that:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > <http://apache-flex-development.247.n4.nabble.
> > > > > > com/file/t740/installer_3.png>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Piotr
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > I think the signature is checked by the AIR runtime and not the
> > system.
> > > > > So, this makes sense.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > Om
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -
> > > > > > Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/piotrzarzycki
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Sent from: http://apache-flex-development.247.n4.nabble.com/
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > Piotr Zarzycki
> > > >
> > > > Patreon: *https://www.patreon.com/piotrzarzycki
> > > > <https://www.patreon.com/piotrzarzycki>*
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Piotr Zarzycki
> >
> > Patreon: *https://www.patreon.com/piotrzarzycki
> > <https://www.patreon.com/piotrzarzycki>*
> >
>
>
>
> --
>
> Piotr Zarzycki
>
> Patreon: *https://www.patreon.com/piotrzarzycki
> <https://www.patreon.com/piotrzarzycki>*
>

Re: [DRAFT] Apache Flex SDK Installer 3.3.0 Released

[OmPrakash Muppirala]

On Nov 22, 2017 10:13 PM, "Piotr Zarzycki" <piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com>
wrote:

Hi Om,

I'm not sure what do you mean by checked previous version. I did check
Installer 3.2 and it not have such tab as Moonshine or Adobe Extension
Manager.


This is how I understand how all this works:

I think Moonshine probably got a certificate from a trusted Certificate
Authority.  That way, the OS which probably already has the the root
certificate and can thus verify the validity of the Moonshine IDE.

The certificate we use for signing the installer was a self created cert.
So, if you manually install the certificate, then the OS can verify the
signature of the Installer binary.

In our case, there is a good chance that our certificate has expired.  Can
you send it to me privately so I can try to check its validity?

Thanks,
Om


Thanks, Piotr

2017-11-22 23:13 GMT+01:00 OmPrakash Muppirala <bigosma...@gmail.com>:

> On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 2:06 PM, Piotr Zarzycki <piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com
> >
> wrote:
>
> > Om,
> >
> > Well I'm not so sure. I'm also not an expert in signing, but for example
> > Moonshine have also some signing certs and I see that tab "Digital
> > Signature" after installation.
> >
> > Piotr
> >
> >
> >
> Have you checked the previous releases?
>
>
> >
> > 2017-11-22 23:02 GMT+01:00 OmPrakash Muppirala <bigosma...@gmail.com>:
> >
> > > On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 12:51 PM, piotrz <piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Guys,
> > > >
> > > > Something is totally wrong. I just installed Installer 3.2 and check
> > > > whether
> > > > it has digital sign and it's not. For the comparison I've checked
> > "Adobe
> > > > Extension Manager CS6" and properties looks like that:
> > > >
> > > > <http://apache-flex-development.247.n4.nabble.
> > > > com/file/t740/installer_3.png>
> > > >
> > > > Piotr
> > > >
> > > >
> > > I think the signature is checked by the AIR runtime and not the
system.
> > > So, this makes sense.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Om
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -
> > > > Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/piotrzarzycki
> > > > --
> > > > Sent from: http://apache-flex-development.247.n4.nabble.com/
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Piotr Zarzycki
> >
> > Patreon: *https://www.patreon.com/piotrzarzycki
> > <https://www.patreon.com/piotrzarzycki>*
> >
>



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Re: [DRAFT] Apache Flex SDK Installer 3.3.0 Released

[OmPrakash Muppirala]

On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 2:06 PM, Piotr Zarzycki <piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Om,
>
> Well I'm not so sure. I'm also not an expert in signing, but for example
> Moonshine have also some signing certs and I see that tab "Digital
> Signature" after installation.
>
> Piotr
>
>
>
Have you checked the previous releases?


>
> 2017-11-22 23:02 GMT+01:00 OmPrakash Muppirala <bigosma...@gmail.com>:
>
> > On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 12:51 PM, piotrz <piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Guys,
> > >
> > > Something is totally wrong. I just installed Installer 3.2 and check
> > > whether
> > > it has digital sign and it's not. For the comparison I've checked
> "Adobe
> > > Extension Manager CS6" and properties looks like that:
> > >
> > > <http://apache-flex-development.247.n4.nabble.
> > > com/file/t740/installer_3.png>
> > >
> > > Piotr
> > >
> > >
> > I think the signature is checked by the AIR runtime and not the system.
> > So, this makes sense.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Om
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > -
> > > Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/piotrzarzycki
> > > --
> > > Sent from: http://apache-flex-development.247.n4.nabble.com/
> > >
> >
>
>
>
> --
>
> Piotr Zarzycki
>
> Patreon: *https://www.patreon.com/piotrzarzycki
> <https://www.patreon.com/piotrzarzycki>*
>

Re: [DRAFT] Apache Flex SDK Installer 3.3.0 Released

[OmPrakash Muppirala]

On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 12:51 PM, piotrz  wrote:

> Guys,
>
> Something is totally wrong. I just installed Installer 3.2 and check
> whether
> it has digital sign and it's not. For the comparison I've checked "Adobe
> Extension Manager CS6" and properties looks like that:
>
>  com/file/t740/installer_3.png>
>
> Piotr
>
>
I think the signature is checked by the AIR runtime and not the system.
So, this makes sense.

Thanks,
Om


>
>
> -
> Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/piotrzarzycki
> --
> Sent from: http://apache-flex-development.247.n4.nabble.com/
>

Re: [DRAFT] Apache Flex SDK Installer 3.3.0 Released

[OmPrakash Muppirala]

Perhaps the certificate expired?
Also, it seems like we can create a new certificate and do a migrate
command so that users won't have to uninstall existing app
https://help.adobe.com/en_US/air/build/WS13ACB483-1711-43c0-9049-0A7251630A7D.html

Thanks,
Om

On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 11:44 AM, Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com.invalid>
wrote:

> In my experience, SWFs never recompile and match.  I think there is a
> time-stamp in the SWF.
>
> -Alex
>
> On 11/22/17, 10:15 AM, "omup...@gmail.com on behalf of OmPrakash
> Muppirala" <omup...@gmail.com on behalf of bigosma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Nov 22, 2017 9:54 AM, "Alex Harui" <aha...@adobe.com.invalid> wrote:
> >
> >I followed those directions as well, but I wonder if one of us made a
> >mistake somewhere and we just didn't notice.  I'm not sure how to verify
> >what certificate was used.  Maybe Om knows.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >One way I can think of is to re create the binaries with the correct certs
> >and do a checksum comparison with  the RC binaries.
> >
> >Is there a better way, perhaps?
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Om
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >-Alex
> >
> >On 11/22/17, 9:43 AM, "Piotr Zarzycki" <piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>Yes I've used your certificates which you have sent me. I did use
> >>following
> >>variables in build.properties file to locate certs as instruction said in
> >>RELEASE_GUIDE.
> >>
> >>RELEASE_KEYSTORE_FILE=
> >>CERT_PASSWORD_FILE=
> >>
> >>Have you done this differently ?
> >>
> >>
> >>2017-11-22 18:36 GMT+01:00 Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com.invalid>:
> >>
> >>> Are you sure both your 3.2 and 3.3 versions were signed with the
> >>> certificates we sent you off-list?  I don't remember exactly how it
> >>>works
> >>> but AIUI, if you install the Installer as built from a source package,
> >>> that build won't have the official certificates and you'll get that
> >>>error
> >>> since the new and old versions will have different certificates.  But
> >>>if
> >>> we correctly set the certificates, and they match, it should just work.
> >>>
> >>> I'm not sure how to verify certificates.  Maybe Om remembers.  I'm
> >>> wondering if 3.2 didn't get the official certs.  The idea is that we
> >>>can
> >>> force an upgrade and it shouldn't cause everyone to hit this error.
> >>>
> >>> -Alex
> >>>
> >>> On 11/22/17, 9:18 AM, "piotrz" <piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> >Hi Alex,
> >>> >
> >>> >I tested it before and just tried again.
> >>> >
> >>> >1) I have installed 3.2 version
> >>> >2) Try install 3.3 version and got this error
> >>> >
> >>> ><https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> >>> http%3A%2F%2Fapache-fl
> >>> >ex-development.247.n4.nabble.com%2Ffile%2Ft740%
> >>> 2Finstaller_error.png
> >>> >ata=02%7C01%7C%7C36137097e45e462a3b4108d531cd
> >>> 12be%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2
> >>> >c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636469679213293147=ZX%
> >>> 2BpKFFCC%2BJjPx8xSOAmc0xb
> >>> >KjFaZbe4tU1XwwYFsDo%3D=0>
> >>> >
> >>> >Piotr
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >-
> >>> >Patreon:
> >>> >https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> >>> https%3A%2F%2Fwww.patre
> >>> >on.com%2Fpiotrzarzycki=02%7C01%7C%7C36137097e45e462a3b4108d531cd
> >>> 12be%
> >>> >7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%
> 7C636469679213293147=
> >>> VUQa
> >>> >q8jDr57NGQC9ZxJWIquDjqk%2FlA6EfgJaLcLvOCM%3D=0
> >>> >--
> >>> >Sent from:
> >>> >https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> >>> http%3A%2F%2Fapache-fle
> >>> >x-development.247.n4.nabble.com%2F=02%7C01%7C%
> >>> 7C36137097e45e462a3
> >>> >b4108d531cd12be%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178de
> >>> cee1%7C0%7C0%7C6364696792132
> >>>
> >>>>93147=vSJrXaM7eCcPbLn37%2BETBDU7vrxGtqJxjH8ok3WDKL4%
> 3D=0
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>--
> >>
> >>Piotr Zarzycki
> >>
> >>Patreon:
> >>*https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> https%3A%2F%2Fwww.pat
> >>r
> >>eon.com%2Fpiotrzarzycki=02%7C01%7C%7C4b0549556d174daa7fa808d531d0
> 7fd
> >>7
> >>%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%
> 7C636469693931131146=uM
> >>X
> >>Y1KZOgAzeMMJ3DyhvZESxY3gkTHuDuSFb%2FIOMznA%3D=0
> >><https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> https%3A%2F%2Fwww.pat
> >>r
> >>eon.com%2Fpiotrzarzycki=02%7C01%7C%7C4b0549556d174daa7fa808d531d0
> 7fd
> >>7
> >>%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%
> 7C636469693931131146=uM
> >>X
> >>Y1KZOgAzeMMJ3DyhvZESxY3gkTHuDuSFb%2FIOMznA%3D=0>*
>
>

Re: [DRAFT] Apache Flex SDK Installer 3.3.0 Released

[OmPrakash Muppirala]

On Nov 22, 2017 9:54 AM, "Alex Harui"  wrote:

I followed those directions as well, but I wonder if one of us made a
mistake somewhere and we just didn't notice.  I'm not sure how to verify
what certificate was used.  Maybe Om knows.




One way I can think of is to re create the binaries with the correct certs
and do a checksum comparison with  the RC binaries.

Is there a better way, perhaps?

Thanks,
Om





-Alex

On 11/22/17, 9:43 AM, "Piotr Zarzycki"  wrote:

>Yes I've used your certificates which you have sent me. I did use
>following
>variables in build.properties file to locate certs as instruction said in
>RELEASE_GUIDE.
>
>RELEASE_KEYSTORE_FILE=
>CERT_PASSWORD_FILE=
>
>Have you done this differently ?
>
>
>2017-11-22 18:36 GMT+01:00 Alex Harui :
>
>> Are you sure both your 3.2 and 3.3 versions were signed with the
>> certificates we sent you off-list?  I don't remember exactly how it
>>works
>> but AIUI, if you install the Installer as built from a source package,
>> that build won't have the official certificates and you'll get that
>>error
>> since the new and old versions will have different certificates.  But if
>> we correctly set the certificates, and they match, it should just work.
>>
>> I'm not sure how to verify certificates.  Maybe Om remembers.  I'm
>> wondering if 3.2 didn't get the official certs.  The idea is that we can
>> force an upgrade and it shouldn't cause everyone to hit this error.
>>
>> -Alex
>>
>> On 11/22/17, 9:18 AM, "piotrz"  wrote:
>>
>> >Hi Alex,
>> >
>> >I tested it before and just tried again.
>> >
>> >1) I have installed 3.2 version
>> >2) Try install 3.3 version and got this error
>> >
>> >> http%3A%2F%2Fapache-fl
>> >ex-development.247.n4.nabble.com%2Ffile%2Ft740%
>> 2Finstaller_error.png
>> >ata=02%7C01%7C%7C36137097e45e462a3b4108d531cd
>> 12be%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2
>> >c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636469679213293147=ZX%
>> 2BpKFFCC%2BJjPx8xSOAmc0xb
>> >KjFaZbe4tU1XwwYFsDo%3D=0>
>> >
>> >Piotr
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >-
>> >Patreon:
>> >https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
>> https%3A%2F%2Fwww.patre
>> >on.com%2Fpiotrzarzycki=02%7C01%7C%7C36137097e45e462a3b4108d531cd
>> 12be%
>> >7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636469679213293147=
>> VUQa
>> >q8jDr57NGQC9ZxJWIquDjqk%2FlA6EfgJaLcLvOCM%3D=0
>> >--
>> >Sent from:
>> >https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
>> http%3A%2F%2Fapache-fle
>> >x-development.247.n4.nabble.com%2F=02%7C01%7C%
>> 7C36137097e45e462a3
>> >b4108d531cd12be%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178de
>> cee1%7C0%7C0%7C6364696792132
>> >93147=vSJrXaM7eCcPbLn37%2BETBDU7vrxGtqJxjH8ok3WDKL4%3D=0
>>
>>
>
>
>--
>
>Piotr Zarzycki
>
>Patreon:
>*https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.patr
>eon.com%2Fpiotrzarzycki=02%7C01%7C%7C4b0549556d174daa7fa808d531d07fd7
>%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636469693931131146=uMX
>Y1KZOgAzeMMJ3DyhvZESxY3gkTHuDuSFb%2FIOMznA%3D=0
>eon.com%2Fpiotrzarzycki=02%7C01%7C%7C4b0549556d174daa7fa808d531d07fd7
>%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636469693931131146=uMX
>Y1KZOgAzeMMJ3DyhvZESxY3gkTHuDuSFb%2FIOMznA%3D=0>*

Re: [DRAFT] Apache Flex SDK Installer 3.3.0 Released

[OmPrakash Muppirala]

On Nov 22, 2017 9:18 AM, "piotrz"  wrote:

Hi Alex,

I tested it before and just tried again.

1) I have installed 3.2 version
2) Try install 3.3 version and got this error





Piotr




This happens if the new version is signed with a different certificate.
Piotr, where did you get the certificate from when you created the dmg and
exe files?

Thanks,
Om




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Re: [DRAFT] Apache Flex SDK Installer 3.3.0 Released

[OmPrakash Muppirala]

Piotr,

I can confirm that Installer 3.3 can successfully download the Flex SDK
4.16.1 with Air 27.
This is on Windows 10.

Great job!!

Thanks,
Om

On Sat, Nov 18, 2017 at 6:32 AM, Piotr Zarzycki 
wrote:

> Hi Zach,
>
> Unfortunately during work on that issue I have found that we have also
> issue into the part related to Installer in Flex SDK itself. I have fixed
> it. In order to test it or try you have to use Nightly Build of SDK or try
> to download Release Candidate 2 of SDK.
>
> Right click on the list of the sdk in the installer and choose "Show Dev
> Builds" -> "Apache Flex SDK 4.16.1 RC2". We are in the process of releasing
> this version. Let me know if it's work for you.
>
> Thanks, Piotr
>
>
> 2017-11-18 15:27 GMT+01:00 Lydecker :
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > Thanks for putting in the work on the new installer.
> >
> > Unfortunately it does not work on Windows. It fails as it tries to mount
> a
> > DMG (which is obviously mac only). Here is the failed log file from a
> > Windows machine:
> >
> >
> > Installer version 3.3.0 (windows)
> > Using Locale: en_GB
> > Fetched the SDK download mirror URL from the CGI.
> > SDK version Apache Flex SDK 4.16.0
> > AIR version 27.0
> > Flash Player version 27.0
> > Creating Apache Flex home
> > Creating temporary directory
> > Downloading Apache Flex SDK from:
> > http://apache.mirror.anlx.net/flex/4.16.0/binaries/apache-
> > flex-sdk-4.16.0-bin.zip
> > Verifying Apache Flex SDK MD5 Signature
> > The Apache Flex SDK MD5 Signature of the downloaded files matches the
> > reference. The file is valid.
> > Unzipping: C:\flex\temp\apache-flex-sdk-4.16.0-bin.zip
> > Finished unzipping: C:\flex\temp\apache-flex-sdk-4.16.0-bin.zip
> > Downloading Adobe AIR Runtime Kit for Windows from:
> > http://airdownload.adobe.com/air/win/download/27.0//AdobeAIRSDK.zip
> > Validating download: C:\flex/in/AdobeAIRSDK.zip
> > Finished unzipping: C:\flex/in/AdobeAIRSDK.zip
> > Should unzip: ${shouldUnzip}
> > Mounting dmg
> > Exec task failed: /usr/bin/hdiutil
> > Aborting Installation:
> > http://flex.apache.org/track-installer.html?failure=true=Apache
> Flex
> > SDK
> > 4.16.0=4.16.0=windows=3.3.
> > 0==Exec%20task%20failed%3A%20/usr/bin/hdiutil
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Sent from: http://apache-flex-development.247.n4.nabble.com/
> >
>
>
>
> --
>
> Piotr Zarzycki
>
> Patreon: *https://www.patreon.com/piotrzarzycki
> *
>

Re: [DISCUSS] Release Apache Flex SDK 4.16.1 - RC1*

[OmPrakash Muppirala]

On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 7:50 PM, Par Niclas Hedhman 
wrote:

>
> Alex,
> it is called "Open SOURCE" and not "Binary with link to Source" for a
> reason. Apache Software Foundation official only promise SOURCE releases.
> Any convenience binaries are not required/expected. It is not kosher to so
> called release (or make available) any binaries that are not built from an
> official source releases and place them in /dist. That goes against policy
> and infrastructure is likely going to have a strong opinion on the matter,
> i.e. pull the artifacts if found out.
>
> Very simple workflow;
>   1. Get your Source Release in order.
>   2. Check it and vote
>   3. Release it to /dist
>   4. Worry about anything else...
>
> Point 4 includes things like "Build binary convenience artifacts from the
> Source release".
>

Niclas,

Apologies if I have missed some context.

Piotr is the release manager here, I am not sure why your email is directed
towards Alex?

Quoting Alex:  "But given they don't look right in US Windows systems, unless
there is an easy workaround, it might be a good idea to fix this issue in
another RC."

As you can see in this thread, we are trying to figure out where the source
package gets messed up and we are trying to fix it.  While your input is
appreciated, I think your tone is a bit confrontational.

Thanks,
Om


>
> HTH
> Niclas
>
> On 2017-11-14 14:43, Alex Harui  wrote:
> > I think I just verified that the binary artifacts are ok regarding the
> > non-ascii characters.  I think that's because they are correct in the
> > repo, and were compiled into bundles from that repo source.  I'm not sure
> > when the files get screwed up.  I think it is when Ant copies the files
> to
> > the temp folder to be packaged.  Also, I'm not clear what code page they
> > are actually in.  I tried using "iconv" on my Mac to convert the files,
> > but I couldn't find the right source page.
> >
> > I also ran installer.xml in the binary artifact and found that the
> scripts
> > aren't executable.  I looked in the build.xml and installer.xml and do
> not
> > see any calls to chmod that would fix that, like there is in the FlexJS
> > versions of those files.  There are some indications from the archives
> > that this also has been a problem for as far back as 4.12.
> >
> > So, my assessment is:
> > 1) the binary artifacts are ok.  No new problems.
> > 2) the source artifacts are not ok.  There might be a workaround if we
> can
> > figure out how to convert the code page on those files.
> > 3) Would be nice to fix the executable bit on the scripts, but not a new
> > problem either.
> >
> > So, the vast majority of our users may not hit this problem since they
> > consume the binary artifacts and not the source artifacts.  I'll leave it
> > up to Piotr as to whether he wants to roll another RC that picks up
> > changes.  To fix the executable bits, I would recommend looking at how
> > chmod was used in the FlexJS build.xml and installer.xml.
> >
> > My 2 cents,
> > -Alex
> >
> > On 11/13/17, 10:19 PM, "Piotr Zarzycki" 
> wrote:
> >
> > >Hi Justin,
> > >
> > >Could you please post screenshot what is wrong cause I don't
> understand. -
> > >I wanted to compare results of tests between those two RCs.
> > >I will cut another RC, but not because of the issue above, but because I
> > >couldn't run sh script either on my Mac which is not good itself. I
> would
> > >like to let you know that I build Moonshine IDE sources with the
> binaries
> > >and it's working perfectly fine.
> > >
> > >Thanks, Piotr
> > >
> > >
> > >2017-11-14 1:17 GMT+01:00 Justin Mclean :
> > >
> > >> Hi,
> > >>
> > >> > Which would effect the locale files i.e. the Chinese and Japanese
> and
> > >> probably French and other european language locales would be broken.
> > >>
> > >> Confirmed it’s an issue and I would also vote -1 binding because of
> > >>that.
> > >>
> > >> To reproduce just view a DateChooser and you’ll see it has some ? in
> > >>it’s
> > >> display when using the Chinese and Japanese locales where other
> > >>characters
> > >> should be.
> > >>
> > >> Thanks,
> > >> Justin
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >--
> > >
> > >Piotr Zarzycki
> > >
> > >Patreon:
> > >*https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> https%3A%2F%2Fwww.patr
> > >eon.com%2Fpiotrzarzycki=02%7C01%7C%7Cfcef139cb31d4bfc2bf008d52b27
> bb9f
> > >%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%
> 7C636462372052361116=Dc%
> > >2B05mo72Kfp6REB3IniQTA1%2BkLnXl%2F9gKP%2ByWD8mkE%3D=0
> > > https%3A%2F%2Fwww.patr
> > >eon.com%2Fpiotrzarzycki=02%7C01%7C%7Cfcef139cb31d4bfc2bf008d52b27
> bb9f
> > >%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%
> 7C636462372052361116=Dc%
> > >2B05mo72Kfp6REB3IniQTA1%2BkLnXl%2F9gKP%2ByWD8mkE%3D=0>*
> >
> >
>

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Flex SDK 4.16.1 - RC1

[OmPrakash Muppirala]

+0

I checked the signature, rat report, etc. everything looks good.
But when I try to build the source package, for some reason ant cannot
download the osmf.swc.  Although, I can simply curl the url without any
issues:


===

osmf-download:

download-osmf-swc:
  [get] Getting:
https://sourceforge.net/adobe/flexsdk/code/HEAD/tree/trunk/frameworks/libs/OSMF2_0.swc?format=raw
  [get] To: C:\temp\flex\4.16.1\apache-flex-sdk-4.16.1-src\in\osmf.swc
  [get] Error getting
https://sourceforge.net/adobe/flexsdk/code/HEAD/tree/trunk/frameworks/libs/OSMF2_0.swc?format=raw
to C:\temp\flex\4.16.1\apache-flex-sdk-4.16.1-src\in\osmf.swc

double-check-file:
 [echo] Need file: ${still_no_file}

get-from-cache-if-needed:

fail-if-not-found:

BUILD FAILED
C:\temp\flex\4.16.1\apache-flex-sdk-4.16.1-src\build.xml:157: The following
error occurred while executing this line:
C:\temp\flex\4.16.1\apache-flex-sdk-4.16.1-src\frameworks\build.xml:100:
The following error occurred while executing this line:
C:\temp\flex\4.16.1\apache-flex-sdk-4.16.1-src\frameworks\downloads.xml:105:
The following error occurred while executing this line:
C:\temp\flex\4.16.1\apache-flex-sdk-4.16.1-src\frameworks\downloads.xml:117:
The following error occurred while executing this line:
C:\temp\flex\4.16.1\apache-flex-sdk-4.16.1-src\frameworks\downloads.xml:422:
osmf.swc could not be downloaded or found in cache

Total time: 1 second
PS C:\temp\flex\4.16.1\apache-flex-sdk-4.16.1-src> curl
https://sourceforge.net/adobe/flexsdk/code/HEAD/tree/trunk/frameworks/libs/OSMF2_0.swc?format=raw


StatusCode: 200
StatusDescription : OK
Content   : {80, 75, 3, 4...}
RawContent: HTTP/1.1 200 OK
Transfer-Encoding: chunked
Connection: close
Pragma: no-cache
Content-Disposition: attachment;filename="OSMF2_0.swc"
X-Content-Type-Options: nosniff
X-Frame-Options: SAMEORIGIN
...
Headers   : {[Transfer-Encoding, chunked], [Connection, close],
[Pragma, no-cache], [Content-Disposition,
attachment;filename="OSMF2_0.swc"]...}
RawContentLength  : 266698

===

This was in powershell.  I had the same exact issue with cmd as well.

I will try again later to see if I have better luck.

Thanks,
Om

On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 3:13 PM, Piotr Zarzycki 
wrote:

> Hi Folks,
>
> This is a Apache Flex SDK 4.16.1 release candidate 1 Please see the
> RELEASE_NOTES and the README.
>
> The release candidate can be found here:
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/flex/sdk/4.16.1/rc1/
>
> The binary distributions as a convenience for the respective platforms, are
> available here:
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/flex/sdk/4.16.1/rc1/binaries/
>
> The most convenient way to use the binary package is to install it via Ant
> or the Installer. To use an Installer you should use Apache Flex SDK
> Installer 3.3 RC2:
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/flex/installer/3.3/rc2/binaries/
>
> Before voting please review the section, 'What are the ASF requirements on
> approving a release?', at:
> http://www.apache.org/dev/release.html#approving-a-release
>
> At a minimum you would be expected to check that:
> - MD5 and signed packages are correct
> - README, RELEASE_NOTES, NOTICE and LICENSE files are all fine
> - That you can compile from source package
> - That the SDK can be used in your IDE of choice
> - That the SDK can be used to make a mobile, desktop and browser
> application
>
> When testing please check the md5 and asc files and make sure that the
> source can be compiled.
>
> Please vote to approve this release:
> +1 Approve the release
> -1 Veto the release (please provide specific comments to why)
>
> This vote will be open for 72 hours or until a result can be called.
>
> The vote passes if there is:
> - At least 3 +1 votes from the PMC
> - More positive votes than negative votes
>
> If you find an issue with the release that's a 'show stopper' please don't
> hold off voting -1. If someone votes -1 please continue testing as we want
> to try and catch as many issues as we can and cut down on the number of
> release candidates. Remember existing voters can change their vote during
> the voting process.
>
> People who are not in PMC are also encouraged to test out the release and
> vote, although their votes will not be binding, they can influence how the
> PMC votes.
>
> When voting please indicate what OS, IDE, Flash Player version and AIR
> version you tested the SDK with.
>
> Please put all discussion about this release in the DISCUSSION thread not
> this VOTE thread.
>
> For your convenience, there issues an Ant script in the RC folder that
> automates the checks a voter should perform on the RC.  It will:
> 

Re: [Discuss] Release Apache Flex SDK Installer 3.3 - RC1*

[OmPrakash Muppirala]

Testing on Windows 10.  I am seeing this error:

Installer version 3.3.0 (windows)
Using Locale: en_US
Fetched the SDK download mirror URL from the CGI.
SDK version Apache Flex SDK 4.16.0
AIR version 23.0
Flash Player version 23.0
Creating Apache Flex home
Creating temporary directory
Downloading Apache Flex SDK from:
http://apache.osuosl.org/flex/4.16.0/binaries/apache-flex-sdk-4.16.0-bin.zip
Verifying Apache Flex SDK MD5 Signature
The Apache Flex SDK MD5 Signature of the downloaded files matches the
reference. The file is valid.
Uncompressing: C:\temp\flex\4.16\temp\apache-flex-sdk-4.16.0-bin.zip
Finished uncompressing:
C:\temp\flex\4.16\temp\apache-flex-sdk-4.16.0-bin.zip
Downloading Adobe AIR Runtime Kit for Windows from:
http://airdownload.adobe.com/air/win/download/23.0//AdobeAIRSDK.zip
Validating download: C:\temp\flex\4.16/in/AdobeAIRSDK.zip
Error #1009
TypeError: Error #1009
at org.apache.flex.ant.tags::Unzip/cleanUpAfterUnzipWin()
at org.apache.flex.ant.tags::Unzip/onUnzipWinComplete()
Installation aborted:
http://flex.apache.org/track-installer.html?failure=true=Apache Flex
SDK 4.16.0=4.16.0=windows=3.3.0=Error #1009
TypeError: Error #1009
at org.apache.flex.ant.tags::Unzip/cleanUpAfterUnzipWin()
at org.apache.flex.ant.tags::Unzip/onUnzipWinComplete()


Am I doing something wrong?

Thanks,
Om

On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 9:47 AM, Alex Harui  wrote:

> AFAICT, the releasecandidate.xml is not signing the binaries, it is
> calling build.xml to build and sign the binaries, tag the repo, etc.  It
> is just scripting the steps an RM would otherwise do manually.
>
> -Alex
>
> On 11/7/17, 8:40 AM, "Piotr Zarzycki"  wrote:
>
> >Hi Alex,
> >
> >Just move our discussion here. I was started to think more about that -
> >since our build.xml script is signing our binary artifacts, why we are
> >doing this once again in releasecandidate.xml script ? What actually is
> >the
> >purpose ?
> >
> >Thanks, Piotr
> >
> >
> >2017-11-06 20:49 GMT+01:00 Piotr Zarzycki :
> >
> >> Hi Folks,
> >>
> >> This is official thread for discuss related to started VOTE for release.
> >>
> >> Thread started once again cause gmail tend to merge threads. :) Thanks
> >>Om!
> >> :)
> >>
> >> Piotr,
> >> --
> >>
> >> Piotr Zarzycki
> >>
> >> Patreon:
> >>*https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> https%3A%2F%2Fwww.pat
> >>reon.com%2Fpiotrzarzycki=02%7C01%7C%7C4c7017c0d4484bf3534708d525fe
> 3a
> >>d9%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%
> 7C63645669619500=
> >>EN2XgAPPcR%2F8P4gPb0YBKJQcMF7btryx1YsGU9xj1q0%3D=0
> >>
> >> https%3A%2F%2Fwww.pat
> >>reon.com%2Fpiotrzarzycki=02%7C01%7C%7C4c7017c0d4484bf3534708d525fe
> 3a
> >>d9%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%
> 7C63645669619500=
> >>EN2XgAPPcR%2F8P4gPb0YBKJQcMF7btryx1YsGU9xj1q0%3D=0>*
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >--
> >
> >Piotr Zarzycki
> >
> >Patreon:
> >*https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> https%3A%2F%2Fwww.patr
> >eon.com%2Fpiotrzarzycki=02%7C01%7C%7C4c7017c0d4484bf3534708d525fe
> 3ad9
> >%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%
> 7C63645669619500=EN2
> >XgAPPcR%2F8P4gPb0YBKJQcMF7btryx1YsGU9xj1q0%3D=0
> > https%3A%2F%2Fwww.patr
> >eon.com%2Fpiotrzarzycki=02%7C01%7C%7C4c7017c0d4484bf3534708d525fe
> 3ad9
> >%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%
> 7C63645669619500=EN2
> >XgAPPcR%2F8P4gPb0YBKJQcMF7btryx1YsGU9xj1q0%3D=0>*
>
>

Re: [Discuss] Release Apache Flex SDK Installer 3.3 - RC1

[OmPrakash Muppirala]

Piotr, sorry for the annoyance, but in Gmail, these two threads show up
merged.
In the past, we usually add a few extra characters like *** to force
separate threads.  Otherwise this will quickly lead to confusion :-)

Thanks,
Om

On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 11:38 AM, Piotr Zarzycki 
wrote:

> Hi Folks,
>
> This is official thread for discussion related to opened VOTE for release.
>
> Thanks,
> --
>
> Piotr Zarzycki
>
> Patreon: *https://www.patreon.com/piotrzarzycki
> *
>

Re: [Discuss] Release Apache Flex and Apache Flex Installer

[OmPrakash Muppirala]

+1 please go ahead.  I can help testing.

I think the process for the Installer release are a bit looser.  You can
start the VOTE thread as soon as possible.  Especially since this issue has
been around for a while.

Thanks,
Om

On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 10:27 PM, Piotr Zarzycki 
wrote:

> Hi Folks,
>
> Lately I was able to fix ugly bug [1] where on Windows Apache Flex
> Installer was failing to download Adobe Air greater than 23. Along with
> that fix I had to also make fix in SDK [2]. I believe this two critical
> fixes is worth to release.
>
> Anyone is against that to start release process ? According that guide [3]
> I should start [LAST CALL] discussion as an first step, but probably before
> that I need to prepare separate branch for SDK ? What's with installer do I
> need to do this the same ?
>
> [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX-35295
> [2] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX-35364
> [3]
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FLEX/A+
> guide+to+the+Apache+Flex+release+process
>
> Thanks,
> Piotr
>

Re: Royale is now an Apache Project

[OmPrakash Muppirala]

On Sat, Sep 23, 2017 at 11:13 PM, Harbs <harbs.li...@gmail.com> wrote:

> In principle, I agree with Om.
>
> The only reason I can think of to use JIRA is if there’s some reason to
> track issues not related to a specific repo. JIRA would give us a place to
> log those kinds of issues.
>
> Is there anything like that that folks can think of? Is there some way to
> use Github Issues for “general” issues if they exist?
>

Good point.  I haven't seen us create too many JIRAs for non-technical
bugs.
During release times, we create tickets to serve as a checklist.  I believe
we can do checklists using Markdown
For example: https://gist.github.com/pydanny/940641f591198c78b8a4

I've seen projects like Node.js use Github Issues to discuss and track
community issues, for example:
https://github.com/nodejs/help
In this case, they simply created a project called 'help' which is nothing
but a repo for holding Issues.

Thanks,
Om


>
> Harbs
>
> > On Sep 24, 2017, at 8:57 AM, OmPrakash Muppirala <bigosma...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Let's just use Github Issues, please.
> > One place for everything.  This makes it easier to refer to commits that
> > pertain to issues fixed.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Om
> >
> > On Sat, Sep 23, 2017 at 10:47 PM, Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com.invalid>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Infra is asking if we want to use JIRA or Github Issues to track bugs.
> >> The original plan was to use Github Issues.  We could use both, but I
> >> don't think that's necessary.  Does anyone think we should use JIRA?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> -Alex
> >>
> >> On 9/23/17, 12:24 PM, "Harbs" <harbs.li...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> What a pain that I needed to active 2FA. Oh well…
> >>>
> >>> I got setup as well.
> >>>
> >>> Harbs
> >>>
> >>>> On Sep 22, 2017, at 12:19 AM, Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com.INVALID>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Yes, I had just set up 2FA in GH and also just joined the ASF org.  I
> >>>> went
> >>>> and did both before going to the account linking page and it didn't
> >>>> work.
> >>>> I think there might have been a problem with already being logged into
> >>>> GH?
> >>>> I think the second box said I was auth'd for GH but didn't send the
> 2nd
> >>>> factor auth.
> >>>>
> >>>> I logged out of GitHub and did something else for a while.  Then when
> I
> >>>> tried again, it asked for the 2nd factor and then the MFA box said
> >>>> "write-access granted" and now I think it is working.
> >>>>
> >>>> -Alex
> >>>>
> >>>> On 9/21/17, 2:09 PM, "omup...@gmail.com on behalf of OmPrakash
> >>>> Muppirala"
> >>>> <omup...@gmail.com on behalf of bigosma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 1:42 PM, Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com.invalid
> >
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Thanks Om for that info.  It doesn't seem to be working for me.  I
> >>>>>> entered
> >>>>>> auth for Apache and Github, but the MFA status is blank.  What did
> you
> >>>>>> get?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> Did you enable 2FA in Github?
> >>>>> Once you do that, it should take up to 30 minutes for the sync to
> >>>>> happen.
> >>>>> It took a while for me after I added the 2FA in Github.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>> Om
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> -Alex
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 9/21/17, 12:00 PM, "omup...@gmail.com on behalf of OmPrakash
> >>>>>> Muppirala"
> >>>>>> <omup...@gmail.com on behalf of bigosma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Also, we all need to go here and finish the 3 step process to get
> >>>>>>> write
> >>>>>>> access:
> >>>>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> >>>>>> https%3A%2F%2Fgitbox.ap
> >>>>>>> ache.org%2Fsetup%2F=02%7C01%7C%7C2471774f25274722046c08d50123
> >>>>>> 1fc8%7

Re: Royale is now an Apache Project

[OmPrakash Muppirala]

Let's just use Github Issues, please.
One place for everything.  This makes it easier to refer to commits that
pertain to issues fixed.

Thanks,
Om

On Sat, Sep 23, 2017 at 10:47 PM, Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com.invalid>
wrote:

> Infra is asking if we want to use JIRA or Github Issues to track bugs.
> The original plan was to use Github Issues.  We could use both, but I
> don't think that's necessary.  Does anyone think we should use JIRA?
>
> Thanks,
> -Alex
>
> On 9/23/17, 12:24 PM, "Harbs" <harbs.li...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >What a pain that I needed to active 2FA. Oh well…
> >
> >I got setup as well.
> >
> >Harbs
> >
> >> On Sep 22, 2017, at 12:19 AM, Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com.INVALID>
> >>wrote:
> >>
> >> Yes, I had just set up 2FA in GH and also just joined the ASF org.  I
> >>went
> >> and did both before going to the account linking page and it didn't
> >>work.
> >> I think there might have been a problem with already being logged into
> >>GH?
> >> I think the second box said I was auth'd for GH but didn't send the 2nd
> >> factor auth.
> >>
> >> I logged out of GitHub and did something else for a while.  Then when I
> >> tried again, it asked for the 2nd factor and then the MFA box said
> >> "write-access granted" and now I think it is working.
> >>
> >> -Alex
> >>
> >> On 9/21/17, 2:09 PM, "omup...@gmail.com on behalf of OmPrakash
> >>Muppirala"
> >> <omup...@gmail.com on behalf of bigosma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 1:42 PM, Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com.invalid>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Thanks Om for that info.  It doesn't seem to be working for me.  I
> >>>> entered
> >>>> auth for Apache and Github, but the MFA status is blank.  What did you
> >>>> get?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> Did you enable 2FA in Github?
> >>> Once you do that, it should take up to 30 minutes for the sync to
> >>>happen.
> >>> It took a while for me after I added the 2FA in Github.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Om
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> -Alex
> >>>>
> >>>> On 9/21/17, 12:00 PM, "omup...@gmail.com on behalf of OmPrakash
> >>>> Muppirala"
> >>>> <omup...@gmail.com on behalf of bigosma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Also, we all need to go here and finish the 3 step process to get
> >>>>>write
> >>>>> access:
> >>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> >>>> https%3A%2F%2Fgitbox.ap
> >>>>> ache.org%2Fsetup%2F=02%7C01%7C%7C2471774f25274722046c08d50123
> >>>> 1fc8%7Cf
> >>>>> a7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636416172728153639=
> >>>> syF6PIH
> >>>>> OgL%2FwS0p0ihe6hJq%2FgugJR7pErUZD0%2B7hsNc%3D=0
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>> Om
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 11:41 AM, Alex Harui
> >>>>><aha...@adobe.com.invalid>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Thanks Dave for the info.  Especially about the ids.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I've created an Infra ticket for GitBox. [1]  So far, nobody has
> >>>>>>said
> >>>>>> no.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>> -Alex
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> [1]
> >>>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> >>>> https%3A%2F%2Fissues.a
> >>>>>> pache.org%2Fjira%2Fbrowse%2FINFRA-15141=02%7C01%7C%
> >>>> 7C2471774f2527472
> >>>>>> 2046c08d501231fc8%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178de
> >>>> cee1%7C0%7C0%7C6364161727
> >>>>>> 28153639=tmgQn%2FrqEf8eRUKCZP6uKGF4ZKyqyyu1vq
> >>>> TcvvJD9N8%3D=
> >>>>>> 0
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 9/21/17, 11:35 AM, "Dave Fisher" <dave2w...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Hi -
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I am mentoring the Pulsar podling which is 

Re: Royale website and domain registration

[OmPrakash Muppirala]

On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 4:51 PM, Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com.invalid>
wrote:

> Initial response from trademarks was not encouraging.  Is it possible for
> Erik to "own" the domain and redirect it to Carlos's server?  That might
> satisfy Trademarks that we could rescind Carlos's use of that domain if
> Carlos stopped conforming to trademark policy.  Apparently there have been
> problems like that for other projects.
>

That is the best way.  We buy the cool sounding domains and simply redirect
them to royale.apache.org.  There are hosting providers who charge $0 for
just hosting.  We will just need to pay for the domain re-registration
every year.

Thanks,
Om


>
> Thoughts?
> -Alex
>
> On 9/22/17, 3:04 PM, "Alex Harui" <aha...@adobe.com.INVALID> wrote:
>
> >I will verify with Trademarks@.  At the worst it will have to redirect to
> >royale.apache.org, so I don't think you have to wait.  It would be nice
> to
> >have that domain no matter what.
> >
> >-Alex
> >
> >On 9/22/17, 2:57 PM, "omup...@gmail.com on behalf of OmPrakash Muppirala"
> ><omup...@gmail.com on behalf of bigosma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>On Sep 22, 2017 2:22 PM, "Erik de Bruin" <e...@ixsoftware.nl> wrote:
> >>
> >>How about I grab 'royalesdk.org' and we take it from there?
> >>
> >>EdB
> >>
> >>
> >>+1
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 7:56 PM, Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com.invalid>
> >>wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi Carlos,
> >>>
> >>> I agree that is a game we should not play.  Even if we can get the
> >>>domain
> >>> for $200, I still don't like putting money in the hands of the
> >>>squatters.
> >>> It would not surprise me if they then went out and registered a bunch
> >>>of
> >>> similar domains and tried to hit us up for those as well.
> >>>
> >>> I doubt Apache Trademarks would allow a third party to use
> >>> apacheroyale..  We might want to grab that domain, but it would
> >>> probably have to point directly to royale.a.o.
> >>>
> >>> I don't think royale.as is taken, the registration fee is just higher.
> >>> And again, we can grab more than one domain.  I would like us to settle
> >>>on
> >>> at least one so we can make sure Apache Trademarks will ok having a
> >>> third-party use that domain.  It is going to be an exception to the
> >>>rule.
> >>>
> >>> IMO, we should not use .com.  We might want to grab it and point to
> >>> something else, but our main pages should reflect that we are
> >>>non-profit.
> >>>
> >>> My 2 cents,
> >>> -Alex
> >>>
> >>> On 9/22/17, 10:23 AM, "carlos.rov...@gmail.com on behalf of Carlos
> >>>Rovira"
> >>> <carlos.rov...@gmail.com on behalf of carlos.rov...@codeoscopic.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> >I think Om's offer is very generous, but for what Alex said, we could
> >>>end
> >>> >paying 3 or 4 times 100$ plus the real parking. For me that seems a
> >>>game
> >>> >we
> >>> >should not play...
> >>> >
> >>> >I think the more easy and best option right now is "royale.web" or
> >>>".app"
> >>> >(if .as is taken, that is what it seems right?).
> >>> >
> >>> >We should exhaust the "royale." options before enter composed
> >>> >options.
> >>> >For composed names, I think people would end trying first
> >>> >"apacheroyale.com"
> >>> >(or.org, or .io, or whatever) that are all available before
> >>>considering
> >>> >adding "sdk" or "framework" for example.
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >2017-09-22 19:10 GMT+02:00 Andrew Wetmore <cottag...@gmail.com>:
> >>> >
> >>> >> Check for RoyaleSDK, with the "e"
> >>> >>
> >>> >> On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 1:58 PM, Kessler CTR Mark J <
> >>> >> mark.kessler@usmc.mil> wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >> > RoyalSDK sounds good.  [1] can even get a .Com
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > [1

Re: Royale website and domain registration

[OmPrakash Muppirala]

On Sep 22, 2017 2:22 PM, "Erik de Bruin"  wrote:

How about I grab 'royalesdk.org' and we take it from there?

EdB


+1




On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 7:56 PM, Alex Harui 
wrote:

> Hi Carlos,
>
> I agree that is a game we should not play.  Even if we can get the domain
> for $200, I still don't like putting money in the hands of the squatters.
> It would not surprise me if they then went out and registered a bunch of
> similar domains and tried to hit us up for those as well.
>
> I doubt Apache Trademarks would allow a third party to use
> apacheroyale..  We might want to grab that domain, but it would
> probably have to point directly to royale.a.o.
>
> I don't think royale.as is taken, the registration fee is just higher.
> And again, we can grab more than one domain.  I would like us to settle on
> at least one so we can make sure Apache Trademarks will ok having a
> third-party use that domain.  It is going to be an exception to the rule.
>
> IMO, we should not use .com.  We might want to grab it and point to
> something else, but our main pages should reflect that we are non-profit.
>
> My 2 cents,
> -Alex
>
> On 9/22/17, 10:23 AM, "carlos.rov...@gmail.com on behalf of Carlos Rovira"
> 
> wrote:
>
> >I think Om's offer is very generous, but for what Alex said, we could end
> >paying 3 or 4 times 100$ plus the real parking. For me that seems a game
> >we
> >should not play...
> >
> >I think the more easy and best option right now is "royale.web" or ".app"
> >(if .as is taken, that is what it seems right?).
> >
> >We should exhaust the "royale." options before enter composed
> >options.
> >For composed names, I think people would end trying first
> >"apacheroyale.com"
> >(or.org, or .io, or whatever) that are all available before considering
> >adding "sdk" or "framework" for example.
> >
> >
> >
> >2017-09-22 19:10 GMT+02:00 Andrew Wetmore :
> >
> >> Check for RoyaleSDK, with the "e"
> >>
> >> On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 1:58 PM, Kessler CTR Mark J <
> >> mark.kessler@usmc.mil> wrote:
> >>
> >> > RoyalSDK sounds good.  [1] can even get a .Com
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > [1]
> >>https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdomains
> .
> >>google.com%2Fregistrar%3Fs%3Droyalsdk%26hl%3Den=02%
> 7C01%7C%7C0702061
> >>75b3e4fda913f08d501dec329%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178de
> cee1%7C0%7C0%7C63
> >>6416978626290869=ZQF2DIgIJyrixp4i2u5k%
> 2F3ynhGB1JQHd753Wwa0Hy8s%3D
> >>eserved=0
> >> >
> >> > -Original Message-
> >> > From: Alex Harui [mailto:aha...@adobe.com.INVALID]
> >> > Sent: Friday, September 22, 2017 11:36 AM
> >> > To: dev@flex.apache.org
> >> > Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: Royale website and domain registration
> >> >
> >> > AIUI, royale.io is owned by a squatter and the price STARTS at $199.
> >>I
> >> > haven't tried to buy a domain from a squatter, but I wouldn't be
> >> surprised
> >> > if the price suddenly goes up.  And then beyond that, I think you may
> >> have
> >> > to still pay some other place to register the domain.
> >> >
> >> > Yes, royale.as can be associated with "royal pain in the ass" but the
> >> "as"
> >> > was good enough for spoon.as back in the day.
> >> >
> >> > Royale.web would be fine with me.  And we could grab other TLDs too,
> >>we
> >> > don't have to choose one.
> >> >
> >> > My question is, is it worth it?  Is royale.io going to pay off in
> some
> >> way
> >> > $100 better than royale.as which would pay off $88 better than say,
> >> > royaleapps.org or royalesdk.org?
> >> >
> >> > Thanks,
> >> > -Alex
> >> >
> >> > On 9/22/17, 3:26 AM, "carlos.rov...@gmail.com on behalf of Carlos
> >> Rovira"
> >> > 
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> > >Thanks Dany,
> >> > >
> >> > >if you guys see ok ni make a pool to get the .io domain that's fine
> >>with
> >> > >me, I'll be donating as well few bucks
> >> > >Maybe we should know first what's the final price and see open a
> >>thread
> >> > >for
> >> > >it asking the community for some little donation. Of course I
suppose
> >> that
> >> > >the rest of years will be down to a normal price of 5 to 10€ or
> >> something
> >> > >like that.
> >> > >
> >> > >The other (more easy option) is to go with .app or .web if people
> >>like
> >> it
> >> > >as you.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >2017-09-22 11:35 GMT+02:00 Dany Dhondt :
> >> > >
> >> > >> Why not royale.web? Sounds cool to me…
> >> > >> if royale.io or something else is chosen, I’d gladly donate some
> >> money.
> >> > >> It’s the least we can do for all the work you folks did last year!
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Dany
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >> > Op 22 sep. 2017, om 11:23 heeft Piotr Zarzycki <
> >> > >> piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com> het volgende geschreven:
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > Let's wait what do others think about donating 

Re: Royale website and domain registration

[OmPrakash Muppirala]

I vote for royale.io.  I can put in at least $100 towards the purchase of
the domain.

Others are free to chip in as much as they would like.

Thanks,
Om

On Sep 22, 2017 8:35 AM, "Alex Harui"  wrote:

> AIUI, royale.io is owned by a squatter and the price STARTS at $199.  I
> haven't tried to buy a domain from a squatter, but I wouldn't be surprised
> if the price suddenly goes up.  And then beyond that, I think you may have
> to still pay some other place to register the domain.
>
> Yes, royale.as can be associated with "royal pain in the ass" but the "as"
> was good enough for spoon.as back in the day.
>
> Royale.web would be fine with me.  And we could grab other TLDs too, we
> don't have to choose one.
>
> My question is, is it worth it?  Is royale.io going to pay off in some way
> $100 better than royale.as which would pay off $88 better than say,
> royaleapps.org or royalesdk.org?
>
> Thanks,
> -Alex
>
> On 9/22/17, 3:26 AM, "carlos.rov...@gmail.com on behalf of Carlos Rovira"
> 
> wrote:
>
> >Thanks Dany,
> >
> >if you guys see ok ni make a pool to get the .io domain that's fine with
> >me, I'll be donating as well few bucks
> >Maybe we should know first what's the final price and see open a thread
> >for
> >it asking the community for some little donation. Of course I suppose that
> >the rest of years will be down to a normal price of 5 to 10€ or something
> >like that.
> >
> >The other (more easy option) is to go with .app or .web if people like it
> >as you.
> >
> >
> >2017-09-22 11:35 GMT+02:00 Dany Dhondt :
> >
> >> Why not royale.web? Sounds cool to me…
> >> if royale.io or something else is chosen, I’d gladly donate some money.
> >> It’s the least we can do for all the work you folks did last year!
> >>
> >> Dany
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> > Op 22 sep. 2017, om 11:23 heeft Piotr Zarzycki <
> >> piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com> het volgende geschreven:
> >> >
> >> > Let's wait what do others think about donating something.
> >> >
> >> > I'm not good in case of domain registration, but royale.io is
> >> registered by
> >> > someone else and we still can register it for us ? I checked in my
> >>domain
> >> > operator and I see price about 30$.
> >> >
> >> > Piotr
> >> >
> >> > 2017-09-22 11:08 GMT+02:00 Erik de Bruin :
> >> >
> >> >> or, slightly better, royale.rocks, again for $12
> >> >>
> >> >> EdB
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 10:56 AM, Erik de Bruin 
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> We can also be '4chan cool' and get roy4le.com for only $12, which
> >> I'll
> >> >>> gladly donate :-)
> >> >>>
> >> >>> EdB
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 10:53 AM, Piotr Zarzycki <
> >> >>> piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >>  If more people would like to give some we may have that royale.io.
> >>:)
> >> 
> >>  2017-09-22 10:50 GMT+02:00 Erik de Bruin :
> >> 
> >> > 'royale.as' is available here:
> >> >
> >> >
> >>https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nic
> .
> >>as%2F=02%7C01%7C%7C5ee0196900bd485a503808d501a4
> 7029%7Cfa7b1b5a7b3443
> >>8794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636416728125097204=4J%
> 2B8Xvu15SZvqQ6FZ
> >>zk3bxK%2BhUSP1LDw3Lv0Ph97Tc8%3D=0
> >> >
> >> > But it is $100 for 2 years, payable up front. That will require
> >>some
> >> > crowdfunding as well. And if we go that route, we might as well go
> >> for
> >>  the
> >> > .io which is way cooler ;-)
> >> >
> >> > EdB
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 10:42 AM, Piotr Zarzycki <
> >> > piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Carlos,
> >> >>
> >> >> I can give couple of dollars for royale.io :) Later for
> extension
> >> >> for
> >> >> another year it could cost same ?
> >> >>
> >> >> +1 for royale.as - In Polish there is no connection to anything
> >>bad
> >>  :) I
> >> >> like it.
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks,
> >> >> Piotr
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> 2017-09-22 10:39 GMT+02:00 Carlos Rovira <
> >>  carlos.rov...@codeoscopic.com
> >> >> :
> >> >>
> >> >>> Hi Erik,
> >> >>>
> >> >>> This is my order of preference:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> - royale.io is the best option, but as you said is expensive,
> so
> >> >> we
> >> > must
> >> >>> give up with that :(
> >> >>>
> >> >>> - royale.as: we should check if it comes with some negative
> >>  meaning. I
> >> >>> don't see nothing, but maybe you guys that are more native in
> >>  English
> >> >>> language could see some problems. Aside from that could be
> >>  problematic
> >> > to
> >> >>> have a domain that is supposed to be designated to a country?
> >> >> (Samoa
> >> >>> Americana)
> >> >>>
> >> >>> 

Re: Royale is now an Apache Project

[OmPrakash Muppirala]

On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 1:42 PM, Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com.invalid>
wrote:

> Thanks Om for that info.  It doesn't seem to be working for me.  I entered
> auth for Apache and Github, but the MFA status is blank.  What did you get?
>
>
Did you enable 2FA in Github?
Once you do that, it should take up to 30 minutes for the sync to happen.
It took a while for me after I added the 2FA in Github.

Thanks,
Om


> -Alex
>
> On 9/21/17, 12:00 PM, "omup...@gmail.com on behalf of OmPrakash Muppirala"
> <omup...@gmail.com on behalf of bigosma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Also, we all need to go here and finish the 3 step process to get write
> >access:
> >https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> https%3A%2F%2Fgitbox.ap
> >ache.org%2Fsetup%2F=02%7C01%7C%7C2471774f25274722046c08d50123
> 1fc8%7Cf
> >a7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636416172728153639=
> syF6PIH
> >OgL%2FwS0p0ihe6hJq%2FgugJR7pErUZD0%2B7hsNc%3D=0
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Om
> >
> >On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 11:41 AM, Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com.invalid>
> >wrote:
> >
> >> Thanks Dave for the info.  Especially about the ids.
> >>
> >> I've created an Infra ticket for GitBox. [1]  So far, nobody has said
> >>no.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> -Alex
> >>
> >> [1]
> >>https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> https%3A%2F%2Fissues.a
> >>pache.org%2Fjira%2Fbrowse%2FINFRA-15141=02%7C01%7C%
> 7C2471774f2527472
> >>2046c08d501231fc8%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178de
> cee1%7C0%7C0%7C6364161727
> >>28153639=tmgQn%2FrqEf8eRUKCZP6uKGF4ZKyqyyu1vq
> TcvvJD9N8%3D=
> >>0
> >>
> >> On 9/21/17, 11:35 AM, "Dave Fisher" <dave2w...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Hi -
> >> >
> >> >I am mentoring the Pulsar podling which is using Gitbox and a git wiki.
> >> >They came to Apache with an existing github project. They gave Infra
> >> >admin rights and then they simply moved over.
> >> >
> >> >For Git we will need to associate our Apache ids to our Github ids at
> >> >id.apache.org.
> >> >
> >> >We need to request Git box from Infra as it is in a limited case by
> >>case
> >> >basis since it is still new.
> >> >
> >> >Regards,
> >> >Dave
> >> >
> >> >Sent from my iPhone
> >> >
> >> >> On Sep 21, 2017, at 12:43 PM, Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com.INVALID>
> >> >>wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> OK, I have asked for
> >> >>   royale-asjs
> >> >>   royale-tourjs
> >> >>   royale-typedefs
> >> >>   royale-compiler
> >> >>
> >> >> I will request Git website instead of SVN.
> >> >>
> >> >> I will not request a wiki at this time.
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks,
> >> >> -Alex
> >> >>
> >> >> On 9/21/17, 9:26 AM, "omup...@gmail.com on behalf of OmPrakash
> >> >>Muppirala"
> >> >> <omup...@gmail.com on behalf of bigosma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> Github has a wiki feature.  Although I haven't seen any other Apache
> >> >>> project use it.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I hope we can use it as part of the Gitbox workflow.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> The good thing is that this would make it easier for anyone to add
> >> >>>stuff
> >> >>> onto the wiki without having deal with confluence, karma etc.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Thanks,
> >> >>> Om
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> On Sep 21, 2017 9:10 AM, "Peter Ent" <p...@adobe.com.invalid>
> >>wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> 1) royale-asjs just so we can expand later if needed. I like
> >> >>>> royale-compiler.
> >> >>>> 2) Let's get off of SVN!
> >> >>>> ‹peter
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>> On 9/21/17, 11:42 AM, "Alex Harui" <aha...@adobe.com.INVALID>
> >>wrote:
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> We have to decide a few more things for setup:
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> 1) our current repos are named flex-asjs, flex-typ

Re: Royale is now an Apache Project

[OmPrakash Muppirala]

Also, we all need to go here and finish the 3 step process to get write
access:
https://gitbox.apache.org/setup/

Thanks,
Om

On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 11:41 AM, Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com.invalid>
wrote:

> Thanks Dave for the info.  Especially about the ids.
>
> I've created an Infra ticket for GitBox. [1]  So far, nobody has said no.
>
> Thanks,
> -Alex
>
> [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-15141
>
> On 9/21/17, 11:35 AM, "Dave Fisher" <dave2w...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> >Hi -
> >
> >I am mentoring the Pulsar podling which is using Gitbox and a git wiki.
> >They came to Apache with an existing github project. They gave Infra
> >admin rights and then they simply moved over.
> >
> >For Git we will need to associate our Apache ids to our Github ids at
> >id.apache.org.
> >
> >We need to request Git box from Infra as it is in a limited case by case
> >basis since it is still new.
> >
> >Regards,
> >Dave
> >
> >Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Sep 21, 2017, at 12:43 PM, Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com.INVALID>
> >>wrote:
> >>
> >> OK, I have asked for
> >>   royale-asjs
> >>   royale-tourjs
> >>   royale-typedefs
> >>   royale-compiler
> >>
> >> I will request Git website instead of SVN.
> >>
> >> I will not request a wiki at this time.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> -Alex
> >>
> >> On 9/21/17, 9:26 AM, "omup...@gmail.com on behalf of OmPrakash
> >>Muppirala"
> >> <omup...@gmail.com on behalf of bigosma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Github has a wiki feature.  Although I haven't seen any other Apache
> >>> project use it.
> >>>
> >>> I hope we can use it as part of the Gitbox workflow.
> >>>
> >>> The good thing is that this would make it easier for anyone to add
> >>>stuff
> >>> onto the wiki without having deal with confluence, karma etc.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Om
> >>>
> >>>> On Sep 21, 2017 9:10 AM, "Peter Ent" <p...@adobe.com.invalid> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> 1) royale-asjs just so we can expand later if needed. I like
> >>>> royale-compiler.
> >>>> 2) Let's get off of SVN!
> >>>> ‹peter
> >>>>
> >>>>> On 9/21/17, 11:42 AM, "Alex Harui" <aha...@adobe.com.INVALID> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> We have to decide a few more things for setup:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 1) our current repos are named flex-asjs, flex-typedefs, etc.  I
> >>>> assume we
> >>>>> want them renamed to royale-asjs, royale-typedefs, royale-tourjs,
> >>>>> royale-falcon?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Or do we want to change the "last names" as well?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> royale-framework, royale-typedefs, royale-tourjs, royale-compiler
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 2) The flex.apache.org website is still on SVN.  Do we want to use
> >>>>>Git
> >>>> for
> >>>>> Royale?  I think yes.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 3) Do we want a Confluence Wiki or are there wiki-equivalents in
> >>>> GitHub?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -Alex
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 9/21/17, 2:27 AM, "Piotr Zarzycki" <piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Let's wait for their response.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Thank you!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Thu, Sep 21, 2017, 11:17 Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com.invalid>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> In the sub task I asked if we "must" use JIRA or can use GH Issues.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>>> -Alex
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On 9/21/17, 2:14 AM, "Erik de Bruin" <e...@ixsoftware.nl> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Maybe we should have discussion whether we need Jira for new
> >>>>>>> project?
> >>>>>>>>> Maybe we should use Github only?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> That sound like a plan. KISS [1] all the way ;-)
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> EdB
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> 1:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> https://
> >
>
>

Re: Royale is now an Apache Project

[OmPrakash Muppirala]

On Sep 21, 2017 10:20 AM, "Piotr Zarzycki" <piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com>
wrote:

Om,

Basically you will not have this one anymore [1], but this one [2] and if
we put all things from [2] into files *.md we will have [3].
That is how I see.

[1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FLEX/
[2] https://github.com/ok-at-github/flexjs-docs/wiki
[3] https://pages.github.com/

Thanks, Piotr


Okay, in that case we might need to explicitly ask for Github wiki and
Github pages in our request to Infra

Thanks,
Om



2017-09-21 19:01 GMT+02:00 OmPrakash Muppirala <bigosma...@gmail.com>:

> I'm confused.
> Confluence Wiki, Github Wiki and Github Pages are three different things.
> I am not clear which one Alex meant when he said: 'I will not request a
> wiki at this time.'
>
> Thanks,
> Om
>
> On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 9:52 AM, Piotr Zarzycki <piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com
> >
> wrote:
>
> > Om,
> >
> > Github pages and wiki can coexist and even should in that case. We are
> > putting our info into file.md - That file can be displayed on Wiki and
> As
> > Gh pages.
> >
> > Piotr
> >
> > On Thu, Sep 21, 2017, 18:43 Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com.invalid> wrote:
> >
> > > OK, I have asked for
> > >royale-asjs
> > >royale-tourjs
> > >royale-typedefs
> > >royale-compiler
> > >
> > > I will request Git website instead of SVN.
> > >
> > > I will not request a wiki at this time.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > -Alex
> > >
> > > On 9/21/17, 9:26 AM, "omup...@gmail.com on behalf of OmPrakash
> > Muppirala"
> > > <omup...@gmail.com on behalf of bigosma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > >Github has a wiki feature.  Although I haven't seen any other Apache
> > > >project use it.
> > > >
> > > >I hope we can use it as part of the Gitbox workflow.
> > > >
> > > >The good thing is that this would make it easier for anyone to add
> stuff
> > > >onto the wiki without having deal with confluence, karma etc.
> > > >
> > > >Thanks,
> > > >Om
> > > >
> > > >On Sep 21, 2017 9:10 AM, "Peter Ent" <p...@adobe.com.invalid> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> 1) royale-asjs just so we can expand later if needed. I like
> > > >> royale-compiler.
> > > >> 2) Let's get off of SVN!
> > > >> ‹peter
> > > >>
> > > >> On 9/21/17, 11:42 AM, "Alex Harui" <aha...@adobe.com.INVALID>
> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> >We have to decide a few more things for setup:
> > > >> >
> > > >> >1) our current repos are named flex-asjs, flex-typedefs, etc.  I
> > > >>assume we
> > > >> >want them renamed to royale-asjs, royale-typedefs, royale-tourjs,
> > > >> >royale-falcon?
> > > >> >
> > > >> >Or do we want to change the "last names" as well?
> > > >> >
> > > >> >royale-framework, royale-typedefs, royale-tourjs, royale-compiler
> > > >> >
> > > >> >2) The flex.apache.org website is still on SVN.  Do we want to use
> > Git
> > > >> for
> > > >> >Royale?  I think yes.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >3) Do we want a Confluence Wiki or are there wiki-equivalents in
> > > >>GitHub?
> > > >> >
> > > >> >-Alex
> > > >> >
> > > >> >On 9/21/17, 2:27 AM, "Piotr Zarzycki" <piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com>
> > > >>wrote:
> > > >> >
> > > >> >>Let's wait for their response.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>Thank you!
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>On Thu, Sep 21, 2017, 11:17 Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com.invalid>
> > > >>wrote:
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>> In the sub task I asked if we "must" use JIRA or can use GH
> > Issues.
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>> Thanks,
> > > >> >>> -Alex
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>> On 9/21/17, 2:14 AM, "Erik de Bruin" <e...@ixsoftware.nl>
> wrote:
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>> >

Re: Royale is now an Apache Project

[OmPrakash Muppirala]

I'm confused.
Confluence Wiki, Github Wiki and Github Pages are three different things.
I am not clear which one Alex meant when he said: 'I will not request a
wiki at this time.'

Thanks,
Om

On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 9:52 AM, Piotr Zarzycki <piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Om,
>
> Github pages and wiki can coexist and even should in that case. We are
> putting our info into file.md - That file can be displayed on Wiki and As
> Gh pages.
>
> Piotr
>
> On Thu, Sep 21, 2017, 18:43 Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com.invalid> wrote:
>
> > OK, I have asked for
> >royale-asjs
> >royale-tourjs
> >royale-typedefs
> >royale-compiler
> >
> > I will request Git website instead of SVN.
> >
> > I will not request a wiki at this time.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > -Alex
> >
> > On 9/21/17, 9:26 AM, "omup...@gmail.com on behalf of OmPrakash
> Muppirala"
> > <omup...@gmail.com on behalf of bigosma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >Github has a wiki feature.  Although I haven't seen any other Apache
> > >project use it.
> > >
> > >I hope we can use it as part of the Gitbox workflow.
> > >
> > >The good thing is that this would make it easier for anyone to add stuff
> > >onto the wiki without having deal with confluence, karma etc.
> > >
> > >Thanks,
> > >Om
> > >
> > >On Sep 21, 2017 9:10 AM, "Peter Ent" <p...@adobe.com.invalid> wrote:
> > >
> > >> 1) royale-asjs just so we can expand later if needed. I like
> > >> royale-compiler.
> > >> 2) Let's get off of SVN!
> > >> ‹peter
> > >>
> > >> On 9/21/17, 11:42 AM, "Alex Harui" <aha...@adobe.com.INVALID> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >We have to decide a few more things for setup:
> > >> >
> > >> >1) our current repos are named flex-asjs, flex-typedefs, etc.  I
> > >>assume we
> > >> >want them renamed to royale-asjs, royale-typedefs, royale-tourjs,
> > >> >royale-falcon?
> > >> >
> > >> >Or do we want to change the "last names" as well?
> > >> >
> > >> >royale-framework, royale-typedefs, royale-tourjs, royale-compiler
> > >> >
> > >> >2) The flex.apache.org website is still on SVN.  Do we want to use
> Git
> > >> for
> > >> >Royale?  I think yes.
> > >> >
> > >> >3) Do we want a Confluence Wiki or are there wiki-equivalents in
> > >>GitHub?
> > >> >
> > >> >-Alex
> > >> >
> > >> >On 9/21/17, 2:27 AM, "Piotr Zarzycki" <piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com>
> > >>wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >>Let's wait for their response.
> > >> >>
> > >> >>Thank you!
> > >> >>
> > >> >>On Thu, Sep 21, 2017, 11:17 Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com.invalid>
> > >>wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >>> In the sub task I asked if we "must" use JIRA or can use GH
> Issues.
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> Thanks,
> > >> >>> -Alex
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> On 9/21/17, 2:14 AM, "Erik de Bruin" <e...@ixsoftware.nl> wrote:
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> >>
> > >> >>> >> Maybe we should have discussion whether we need Jira for new
> > >> >>>project?
> > >> >>> >> Maybe we should use Github only?
> > >> >>> >>
> > >> >>> >
> > >> >>> >That sound like a plan. KISS [1] all the way ;-)
> > >> >>> >
> > >> >>> >EdB
> > >> >>> >
> > >> >>> >1:
> > >> >>> >
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> > >> https%3A%2F%2Fen.wiki
> > >> >>>p
> > >> >>>e
> > >> >>> >dia.org
> > >> >>> %2Fwiki%2FKISS_principle=02%7C01%7C%
> 7C9bf9ee2d27d84511b11508d5
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>>00d155c2%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%
> > >> 7C63641582144717182
> > >> >>>>2
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>> >data=J3se5Id4dPrOLITxNfk0hKOCKeTwtl3KIhhablawMwU%3D=0
> > >> >>> >
> > >> >>> >
> > >> >>> >
> > >> >>> >--
> > >> >>> >Ix Multimedia Software
> > >> >>> >
> > >> >>> >Jan Luykenstraat 27
> > >> >>> >3521 VB Utrecht
> > >> >>> >
> > >> >>> >T. 06-51952295 <06%2051952295>
> > >> >>> >I.
> > >> >>> >
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> > >>
> > >>
> > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> www.ixsoftware.nl
> > >>=02%7C01%7C%7C501ba9914bc5429109f308d5010d98eb%
> 7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c1
> > >>78decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636416080566327663=
> rH5ubOFlme1iw%2BMPsTittXnU4nE
> > >>LYxJ9dYW2I5dDF4s%3D=0
> > >> >>>a
> > >> >>>=
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>>02%7C01%7C%7C9bf9ee2d27d84511b11508d500d1
> > >> 55c2%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c
> > >> >>>>1
> > >> >>>>78
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>>decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636415821447171822=
> > >> 0RA5xX24wJ%2Bf1HdGZE6vOjoRHNC
> > >> >>>>i
> > >> >>>>SA
> > >> >>> >zNtyrgiSrTOOY%3D=0
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >>
> >
> >
>

Re: Royale is now an Apache Project

[OmPrakash Muppirala]

On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 9:43 AM, Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com.invalid>
wrote:

> OK, I have asked for
>royale-asjs
>royale-tourjs
>royale-typedefs
>royale-compiler
>
> I will request Git website instead of SVN.
>
> I will not request a wiki at this time.
>

Do you mean confluence wiki or github wiki?
I think we need to explicitly ask for github wiki.

Thanks,
Om


>
> Thanks,
> -Alex
>
> On 9/21/17, 9:26 AM, "omup...@gmail.com on behalf of OmPrakash Muppirala"
> <omup...@gmail.com on behalf of bigosma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Github has a wiki feature.  Although I haven't seen any other Apache
> >project use it.
> >
> >I hope we can use it as part of the Gitbox workflow.
> >
> >The good thing is that this would make it easier for anyone to add stuff
> >onto the wiki without having deal with confluence, karma etc.
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Om
> >
> >On Sep 21, 2017 9:10 AM, "Peter Ent" <p...@adobe.com.invalid> wrote:
> >
> >> 1) royale-asjs just so we can expand later if needed. I like
> >> royale-compiler.
> >> 2) Let's get off of SVN!
> >> ‹peter
> >>
> >> On 9/21/17, 11:42 AM, "Alex Harui" <aha...@adobe.com.INVALID> wrote:
> >>
> >> >We have to decide a few more things for setup:
> >> >
> >> >1) our current repos are named flex-asjs, flex-typedefs, etc.  I
> >>assume we
> >> >want them renamed to royale-asjs, royale-typedefs, royale-tourjs,
> >> >royale-falcon?
> >> >
> >> >Or do we want to change the "last names" as well?
> >> >
> >> >royale-framework, royale-typedefs, royale-tourjs, royale-compiler
> >> >
> >> >2) The flex.apache.org website is still on SVN.  Do we want to use Git
> >> for
> >> >Royale?  I think yes.
> >> >
> >> >3) Do we want a Confluence Wiki or are there wiki-equivalents in
> >>GitHub?
> >> >
> >> >-Alex
> >> >
> >> >On 9/21/17, 2:27 AM, "Piotr Zarzycki" <piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com>
> >>wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>Let's wait for their response.
> >> >>
> >> >>Thank you!
> >> >>
> >> >>On Thu, Sep 21, 2017, 11:17 Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com.invalid>
> >>wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> In the sub task I asked if we "must" use JIRA or can use GH Issues.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Thanks,
> >> >>> -Alex
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On 9/21/17, 2:14 AM, "Erik de Bruin" <e...@ixsoftware.nl> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >> Maybe we should have discussion whether we need Jira for new
> >> >>>project?
> >> >>> >> Maybe we should use Github only?
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >That sound like a plan. KISS [1] all the way ;-)
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >EdB
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >1:
> >> >>> >
> >> >>>
> >> >>>https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> >> https%3A%2F%2Fen.wiki
> >> >>>p
> >> >>>e
> >> >>> >dia.org
> >> >>> %2Fwiki%2FKISS_principle=02%7C01%7C%7C9bf9ee2d27d84511b11508d5
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>00d155c2%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%
> >> 7C63641582144717182
> >> >>>>2
> >> >>>>
> >> >>> >data=J3se5Id4dPrOLITxNfk0hKOCKeTwtl3KIhhablawMwU%3D=0
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >--
> >> >>> >Ix Multimedia Software
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >Jan Luykenstraat 27
> >> >>> >3521 VB Utrecht
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >T. 06-51952295 <06%2051952295>
> >> >>> >I.
> >> >>> >
> >> >>>
> >> >>>https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> >>
> >>https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> www.ixsoftware.nl
> >>=02%7C01%7C%7C501ba9914bc5429109f308d5010d98eb%
> 7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c1
> >>78decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636416080566327663=
> rH5ubOFlme1iw%2BMPsTittXnU4nE
> >>LYxJ9dYW2I5dDF4s%3D=0
> >> >>>a
> >> >>>=
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>02%7C01%7C%7C9bf9ee2d27d84511b11508d500d1
> >> 55c2%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c
> >> >>>>1
> >> >>>>78
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636415821447171822=
> >> 0RA5xX24wJ%2Bf1HdGZE6vOjoRHNC
> >> >>>>i
> >> >>>>SA
> >> >>> >zNtyrgiSrTOOY%3D=0
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >
> >>
> >>
>
>

Re: Royale is now an Apache Project

[OmPrakash Muppirala]

Github has a wiki feature.  Although I haven't seen any other Apache
project use it.

I hope we can use it as part of the Gitbox workflow.

The good thing is that this would make it easier for anyone to add stuff
onto the wiki without having deal with confluence, karma etc.

Thanks,
Om

On Sep 21, 2017 9:10 AM, "Peter Ent"  wrote:

> 1) royale-asjs just so we can expand later if needed. I like
> royale-compiler.
> 2) Let's get off of SVN!
> ‹peter
>
> On 9/21/17, 11:42 AM, "Alex Harui"  wrote:
>
> >We have to decide a few more things for setup:
> >
> >1) our current repos are named flex-asjs, flex-typedefs, etc.  I assume we
> >want them renamed to royale-asjs, royale-typedefs, royale-tourjs,
> >royale-falcon?
> >
> >Or do we want to change the "last names" as well?
> >
> >royale-framework, royale-typedefs, royale-tourjs, royale-compiler
> >
> >2) The flex.apache.org website is still on SVN.  Do we want to use Git
> for
> >Royale?  I think yes.
> >
> >3) Do we want a Confluence Wiki or are there wiki-equivalents in GitHub?
> >
> >-Alex
> >
> >On 9/21/17, 2:27 AM, "Piotr Zarzycki"  wrote:
> >
> >>Let's wait for their response.
> >>
> >>Thank you!
> >>
> >>On Thu, Sep 21, 2017, 11:17 Alex Harui  wrote:
> >>
> >>> In the sub task I asked if we "must" use JIRA or can use GH Issues.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> -Alex
> >>>
> >>> On 9/21/17, 2:14 AM, "Erik de Bruin"  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Maybe we should have discussion whether we need Jira for new
> >>>project?
> >>> >> Maybe we should use Github only?
> >>> >>
> >>> >
> >>> >That sound like a plan. KISS [1] all the way ;-)
> >>> >
> >>> >EdB
> >>> >
> >>> >1:
> >>> >
> >>>
> >>>https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> https%3A%2F%2Fen.wiki
> >>>p
> >>>e
> >>> >dia.org
> >>> %2Fwiki%2FKISS_principle=02%7C01%7C%7C9bf9ee2d27d84511b11508d5
> >>>
> 00d155c2%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%
> 7C63641582144717182
> 2
> 
> >>> >data=J3se5Id4dPrOLITxNfk0hKOCKeTwtl3KIhhablawMwU%3D=0
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >--
> >>> >Ix Multimedia Software
> >>> >
> >>> >Jan Luykenstraat 27
> >>> >3521 VB Utrecht
> >>> >
> >>> >T. 06-51952295 <06%2051952295>
> >>> >I.
> >>> >
> >>>
> >>>https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> www.ixsoftware.nl
> >>>a
> >>>=
> >>>
> 02%7C01%7C%7C9bf9ee2d27d84511b11508d500d1
> 55c2%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c
> 1
> 78
> >>>
> decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636415821447171822=
> 0RA5xX24wJ%2Bf1HdGZE6vOjoRHNC
> i
> SA
> >>> >zNtyrgiSrTOOY%3D=0
> >>>
> >>>
> >
>
>

Re: [DISCUSS] Building the brand for Royale

[OmPrakash Muppirala]

I would stay away from WordPress just because of all the security issues
and maintenance required.

Github pages should be a better place.

Thanks,
Om

On Sep 20, 2017 10:26 AM, "Alex Harui"  wrote:

> Hmm.
>
> I think if we grab a domain and donate it to the ASF, that it can't be
> hosted on non-ASF hardware.  That would need to be verified.
> Maybe it would be better for the Royale PMC to approve Royale.xx as a
> third-party domain under Carlos's control.  I think that's allowed.  The
> policy [1] says that "in general" it is NOT allowed, but "in general"
> implies it isn't a hard and fast rule.
>
> IMO, things under the PMC's control have certain obligations.  It has to
> be sustainable by "anyone".  How many folks know how to edit WordPress
> themes?  I don't.  I always choose one of their default themes.  It might
> have to be hosted or host-able by Apache Infra, and I don't know if they
> are ok with WordPress.
>
> Personally, I want to be able to stick FlexJS apps in our web presence.
> Honestly, I'd actually like to see our entire web presence be built in
> FlexJS.  It would truly be "eating our own dog food".  Yes, I know that
> mostly static pages aren't a great match for FlexJS/Royale, but in the
> end, shouldn't all of our web presence be dynamic?
>
> My 2 cents,
> -Alex
>
> [1] http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/domains.html
>
> On 9/20/17, 10:02 AM, "carlos.rov...@gmail.com on behalf of Carlos Rovira"
> 
> wrote:
>
> >Hi Alex,
> >
> >that's my bet. To make a good website I proposed to make it in Wordpress
> >since is what I have some expertise in that field (If I'm the person in
> >charge to make it happen). All the team can as well have an account in the
> >WP dash board to be able to post and share content in a easy way.
> >
> >WP will gave as the landing and some pages that would be useful for
> >convenience. But I think, as well, to link directly to the resources in
> >the
> >apache infrastructure in the main menu of the site just as we do now
> >(code,
> >GitHub, wiki, links to our mailing lists, releases, binaries, and so on)
> >
> >For domain registration I'd prefer .io since is very popular today, but
> >.as
> >seems ok for me as well.
> >I think Erik proposed to register the domain for us, so I think is ok for
> >me that he makes the registration. Maybe we could do it as soon as the
> >board approve the new TLP and name.
> >
> >I can host the site in CO servers with the rest of our websites, to
> >support
> >as well this change and initiative. Again I'll be waiting for board
> >approval to start working. I'm assuming here that you guys trust me to
> >make
> >this website and branding work, of course.
> >
> >So maybe we could make a thread to select from Royale.io and Royale.as,
> >and
> >of course if price for .io is very high we could go with .as if it's more
> >low.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >2017-09-20 18:44 GMT+02:00 Alex Harui :
> >
> >> Hi Carlos,
> >>
> >> We can go grab some royale. domains.  Apache will have some rules
> >> about what can go on them.  At the worst it will have to be a straight
> >> redirect to royale.apache.org, but I think we might be able to have at
> >> least a landing page.  I think the goal is that Apache wants strong
> >> association with a project's web presence.  Even on a royale.foo landing
> >> page, the first mention of Royale probably has to be "Apache Royale".
> >>
> >> But also, I am hopeful we will be using GitBox and thus GitHub will be
> >>our
> >> hub of activity.  And I think we should use GitHub pages and build a
> >>solid
> >> web presence there, again within Apache's rules.
> >>
> >> Royale.io is for sale.  We could ask what the price is.
> >> Royale.as appears to be unregistered.
> >>
> >> My 2 cents,
> >> -Alex
> >>
> >> On 9/20/17, 8:31 AM, "carlos.rov...@gmail.com on behalf of Carlos
> >>Rovira"
> >> 
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Hi,
> >> >
> >> >as Alex and Dave said, we should wait for board approval.
> >> >
> >> >@Harbs, I was using "xxx" to refer to "whatever domain extension out
> >>there
> >> >that would fit for us" ;)
> >> >
> >> >@Dave, I understand that we should use the apache domain for the
> >>service
> >> >apache provide (i.e: store code, mailing list, releases...), but as
> >>many
> >> >other projects out there, I suppose we should as well have an external
> >> >tools or domains that serve our purpose. In the same way we have  some
> >> >external servers or tools actually.
> >> >For example, we could have a cool name domain that points to a website
> >>and
> >> >there refer to the apache resources. If that option should go against
> >> >apache rules, that would be strange for me, and would certainly be
> >> >hopeless
> >> >to work in and organization with such limitations.
> >> >
> >> >Thanks
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >2017-09-20 16:44 GMT+02:00 

Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork

[OmPrakash Muppirala]

Gah
https://helix.apache.org/ is already taken :-((

On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 12:50 PM, Dave Fisher <dave2w...@comcast.net> wrote:

> Hi -
>
> I don’t see that as being in the same space. I don’t think people will be
> confused.
>
> Regards,
> Dave
>
> > On Sep 19, 2017, at 2:43 PM, Piotr Zarzycki <piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > I checked Braid on github and found [1]. It was quite popular - can we
> just
> > grab that name - I still do not understand fully those trademarks
> > implications.
> >
> > [1] https://github.com/cristibalan/braid
> >
> > 2017-09-19 20:38 GMT+02:00 Kessler CTR Mark J <mark.kessler@usmc.mil
> >:
> >
> >> Apache Bob...
> >>
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Harbs [mailto:harbs.li...@gmail.com]
> >> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 2:20 PM
> >> To: dev@flex.apache.org
> >> Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork
> >>
> >> Ick…
> >>
> >> Why do these things have to be so complicated? ;-)
> >>
> >> Harbs
> >>
> >>> On Sep 19, 2017, at 8:58 PM, Dave Fisher <dave2w...@comcast.net>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> There are any number of meanings for boja in many languages with and
> >> without diacritics.
> >>>
> >>> https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/boja
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
> >>>> On Sep 19, 2017, at 1:45 PM, Andrew Wetmore <cottag...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I can think of three ways* to pronounce "bo-ja" without even resorting
> >> to a
> >>>> South African "click" language. This makes it a challenge to refer to
> >> the
> >>>> product to anyone who does not already use it.
> >>>>
> >>>> *bodja, booya, boha.
> >>>>
> >>>> On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 2:42 PM, Piotr Zarzycki <
> >> piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Om,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> No offend :) That is why it is so hard to choose ;) I think "bo-ja"
> is
> >> the
> >>>>> closes to how I pronounce it. :)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Piotr
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 2017-09-19 19:31 GMT+02:00 OmPrakash Muppirala <bigosma...@gmail.com
> >:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Boja is one name I really dislike.  Sorry Piotr
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Also I dont know how to pronounce it. Is it Bo-ha, or boo-ha or
> bo-ja,
> >>>>> etc?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Sep 19, 2017 10:09 AM, "Piotr Zarzycki" <
> piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com
> >>>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Reading Alex in VOTE thread and how many times we are mentioning
> Boja
> >>>>> - I
> >>>>>>> will change my VOTE. Limbr is a bit dangerous having Dave's
> finding.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Piotr
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> 2017-09-19 18:41 GMT+02:00 Harbs <harbs.li...@gmail.com>:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> FWIW, I think Limbr is another good spelling.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Sep 19, 2017, at 7:34 PM, Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com.INVALID
> >
> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> We don't have time for another vote thread.  We need to close
> down
> >>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>> vote tonight or early tomorrow morning.  So, if you are ok with
> >>>>>> Limber
> >>>>>>>>> (still not clear it will win, please state objections to using
> >>>>> Limbyr
> >>>>>>> as
> >>>>>>>>> the spelling.  It is true a unique spelling stand out from search
> >>>>>>>> results,
> >>>>>>>>> but first, you have to remember how to spell it, and my spell
> >>>>> checker
> >>>>>>> is
> >>>>>>>>> constantly changing.
> >>>>>>>

Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork

[OmPrakash Muppirala]

>
>
>> > >
>> > > "Braid" also brings to mind "Helix". I haven't looked to see if there
>> are
>> > > any projects that use "Helix" which I'm sure there are. And if so,
>> maybe
>> > > "Felix" to give a nod back to Flex along with the helix.
>> > >
>> > > —peter
>>
>
I love Helix.  It actually describes the shape:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helix

DNA is in the shape of a double Helix, guess what DNA is made of?  Strands!

The name has a good ring to it as well.

Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork

[OmPrakash Muppirala]

> o
> > >>> m%2Fcristibalan%2Fbraid=02%7C01%7C%
> 7C5ebf232812004352ad0108d4ff8e
> > 4f1
> > >>> 7
> > >>> %7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%
> > 7C636414434060882785=A6
> > >>> I
> > >>> IL4SNYWP2XFTvOife92gA1t8Km4E%2Fr7QpvQ3B3mI%3D=0
> > >>>
> > >>> 2017-09-19 20:38 GMT+02:00 Kessler CTR Mark J
> > >>> <mark.kessler@usmc.mil>:
> > >>>
> > >>>> Apache Bob...
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> -Original Message-
> > >>>> From: Harbs [mailto:harbs.li...@gmail.com]
> > >>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 2:20 PM
> > >>>> To: dev@flex.apache.org
> > >>>> Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Ick…
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Why do these things have to be so complicated? ;-)
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Harbs
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> On Sep 19, 2017, at 8:58 PM, Dave Fisher <dave2w...@comcast.net>
> > >>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> There are any number of meanings for boja in many languages with
> and
> > >>>> without diacritics.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> > https%3A%2F%2Fen.m.wi
> > >>>> k
> > >>>> tionary.org%2Fwiki%2Fboja=02%7C01%7C%
> > 7C5ebf232812004352ad0108d4ff8e
> > >>>> 4
> > >>>> f17%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%
> > 7C636414434060882785
> > >>>> a
> > >>>> =IObJoB2mvH3y8iHRBlUvDSDBXiTXitc2FPR1tPHKQ1o%3D=0
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Sent from my iPhone
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> On Sep 19, 2017, at 1:45 PM, Andrew Wetmore <cottag...@gmail.com>
> > >>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> I can think of three ways* to pronounce "bo-ja" without even
> > >>>> resorting
> > >>>> to a
> > >>>>>> South African "click" language. This makes it a challenge to refer
> > >>>> to
> > >>>> the
> > >>>>>> product to anyone who does not already use it.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> *bodja, booya, boha.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 2:42 PM, Piotr Zarzycki <
> > >>>> piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com>
> > >>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Om,
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> No offend :) That is why it is so hard to choose ;) I think
> "bo-ja"
> > >>>> is
> > >>>> the
> > >>>>>>> closes to how I pronounce it. :)
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Piotr
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> 2017-09-19 19:31 GMT+02:00 OmPrakash Muppirala
> > >>>> <bigosma...@gmail.com>:
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Boja is one name I really dislike.  Sorry Piotr
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Also I dont know how to pronounce it. Is it Bo-ha, or boo-ha or
> > >>>> bo-ja,
> > >>>>>>> etc?
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> On Sep 19, 2017 10:09 AM, "Piotr Zarzycki"
> > >>>> <piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Reading Alex in VOTE thread and how many times we are
> mentioning
> > >>>> Boja
> > >>>>>>> - I
> > >>>>>>>>> will change my VOTE. Limbr is a bit dangerous having Dave's
> > >>>> finding.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Piotr
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> 2017-09-19 18:41 GMT+02:00 Ha

Re: [DISCUSS] What should be the new Project Name for Proposed fork of FlexJS?

[OmPrakash Muppirala]

On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 11:02 AM, Dave Fisher <dave2w...@comcast.net> wrote:

> Erik,
>
> You should do this on the VOTE thread.
>

This is the VOTE thread.  At least that is what my gmail thinks it is...

Thanks,
Om


>
> Regards,
> Dave
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Sep 19, 2017, at 1:40 PM, Erik de Bruin <e...@ixsoftware.nl> wrote:
> >
> > I'm changing my vote to:
> >
> > 1) Limb(e)r
> > 2) Bead(s)
> > 3) Braid
> >
> > Sorry for any confusion.
> >
> > EdB
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 6:53 PM, Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com.invalid>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> What a dilemma!
> >>
> >> I've seen 10 votes and 2 abstentions.  I haven't voted yet.  I wanted to
> >> see what the trend was first.
> >>
> >> If you assign 3 points to first place, 2 to second, and 1 to third,
> Royale
> >> has the lead at 12 points, but barely:  Bead, Boja and Limber have 10.
> >> Boja has been mentioned more than any other name (6 times), but 3 of
> those
> >> are third place votes.  Royale and Limber have been mentioned 5 times,
> >> Beads 4 times.  Beads has the most first place votes (3).  Royale,
> Limber
> >> have 2 first place votes each.
> >>
> >> In short, I don't think there is a clear winner.  It will depend on how
> >> you count the votes.  And we can't default back to FlexJS either given
> the
> >> other vote.
> >>
> >> I know some folks mentioned that Royale is associated with low-quality
> >> foods, but does anybody think choosing Royale will be a major hindrance?
> >> There is a possible conflict because some other Github project is
> already
> >> using Royale [1] for a JS framework.  Does anybody see that as a show
> >> stopper?  I think I will write to trademarks@ and try to get their
> >> opinion.
> >>
> >> Carlos, will you help with a new website regardless of which name is
> >> chosen or only if it is Royale (or Crown)?
> >>
> >> Is anybody adamantly against Beads, Boja or Limber?  After reading this
> >> mornings posts, I'm leaning away from limber.  The spell checker
> redirect
> >> issue is worrisome.
> >>
> >> Thoughts?
> >> -Alex
> >>
> >>
> >> [1] https://github.com/ian-culleton/royale
> >>
> >> On 9/18/17, 10:48 AM, "omup...@gmail.com on behalf of OmPrakash
> Muppirala"
> >> <omup...@gmail.com on behalf of bigosma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Abstain (binding)
> >>>
> >>>> On Sep 18, 2017 10:47 AM, "Dave Fisher" <dave2w...@comcast.net>
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I am abstaining for now.
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Sep 17, 2017, at 3:19 PM, Piotr Zarzycki
> >>>> <piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> In this thread I've gathered list of names proposition for fork of
> >>>> FlexJS
> >>>>> project.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> LIST:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Royale
> >>>>> Boja
> >>>>> Strand
> >>>>> Bead
> >>>>> Limber
> >>>>> Boinga
> >>>>> Braid
> >>>>> Arise
> >>>>>
> >>>>> HOW DO WE VOTE:
> >>>>> 1) Pick up 3 names from the list and order them from the most
> favorite
> >>>>> 2) We will give points for each items in the list which you have
> >>>> choose
> >>>>> 3) In your list you can propose your own name - others can follow it
> >>>> in
> >>>>> their lists
> >>>>>
> >>>>> EXAMPLE:
> >>>>> 1) Name1 - 3 points
> >>>>> 2) Name2 - 2 points
> >>>>> 3) Name3 - 1 point
> >>>>>
> >>>>> WINNER:
> >>>>> We will pickup winner based on gathered points by one of the name.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The vote will be open until Tuesday September 19, 23:00 UTC
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Piotr
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > Ix Multimedia Software
> >
> > Jan Luykenstraat 27
> > 3521 VB Utrecht
> >
> > T. 06-51952295
> > I. www.ixsoftware.nl
>

Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork

[OmPrakash Muppirala]

Boja is one name I really dislike.  Sorry Piotr

Also I dont know how to pronounce it. Is it Bo-ha, or boo-ha or bo-ja, etc?

On Sep 19, 2017 10:09 AM, "Piotr Zarzycki" 
wrote:

> Reading Alex in VOTE thread and how many times we are mentioning Boja - I
> will change my VOTE. Limbr is a bit dangerous having Dave's finding.
>
> Piotr
>
> 2017-09-19 18:41 GMT+02:00 Harbs :
>
> > FWIW, I think Limbr is another good spelling.
> >
> > > On Sep 19, 2017, at 7:34 PM, Alex Harui 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > We don't have time for another vote thread.  We need to close down the
> > > vote tonight or early tomorrow morning.  So, if you are ok with Limber
> > > (still not clear it will win, please state objections to using Limbyr
> as
> > > the spelling.  It is true a unique spelling stand out from search
> > results,
> > > but first, you have to remember how to spell it, and my spell checker
> is
> > > constantly changing.
> > >
> > > -Alex
> > >
> > > On 9/19/17, 5:05 AM, "Kessler CTR Mark J" 
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> If limber wins, a simple discussion thread should resolve letter
> changes
> > >> to the name.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> -Mark K
> > >>
> > >> -Original Message-
> > >> From: Piotr Zarzycki [mailto:piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com]
> > >> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 4:52 AM
> > >> To: dev@flex.apache.org
> > >> Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork
> > >>
> > >> Hi,
> > >>
> > >> It has advantage of having the name which do not exist on github. Let
> > say
> > >> that Limber with win in the voting - We probably have to open another
> > VOTE
> > >> to have "Limbyr" - Which I like personally.
> > >>
> > >> Is it enough that PMCs agreed here with changing Limber to Limbyr
> here ?
> > >>
> > >> Thanks, Piotr
> > >>
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
>
> Piotr Zarzycki
>
> mobile: +48 880 859 557 <+48%20880%20859%20557>
> skype: zarzycki10
>
> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/piotrzarzycki
> 
>

Re: [VOTE] What should be the new Project Name for Proposed fork of FlexJS?

[OmPrakash Muppirala]

Abstain (binding)

On Sep 18, 2017 10:47 AM, "Dave Fisher"  wrote:

> I am abstaining for now.
>
> > On Sep 17, 2017, at 3:19 PM, Piotr Zarzycki 
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > In this thread I've gathered list of names proposition for fork of FlexJS
> > project.
> >
> > LIST:
> >
> > Royale
> > Boja
> > Strand
> > Bead
> > Limber
> > Boinga
> > Braid
> > Arise
> >
> > HOW DO WE VOTE:
> > 1) Pick up 3 names from the list and order them from the most favorite
> > 2) We will give points for each items in the list which you have choose
> > 3) In your list you can propose your own name - others can follow it in
> > their lists
> >
> > EXAMPLE:
> > 1) Name1 - 3 points
> > 2) Name2 - 2 points
> > 3) Name3 - 1 point
> >
> > WINNER:
> > We will pickup winner based on gathered points by one of the name.
> >
> > The vote will be open until Tuesday September 19, 23:00 UTC
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Piotr
>
>

Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork

[OmPrakash Muppirala]

One point of clarification.

The Beads concept comes into play only in the FlexJS SDK and not in the
Flex Falcon or FalconJX compiler.  Some day it could be FalconWebAssemby or
FalconIOS.

Naming the Apache project as Beads means that we are highlighting only the
SDK and not the cross-compilers.  Are we okay with that?

Thanks,
Om


On Sep 17, 2017 4:00 AM, "Harbs"  wrote:

> Hi Piotr,
>
> If you can start it that would be great. I’m very limited in time today.
>
> Thanks,
> Harbs
>
> > On Sep 17, 2017, at 11:20 AM, Piotr Zarzycki 
> wrote:
> >
> > I can start the VOTE within 12H cause I don't see anything against. If
> > someone can start earlier that would be great.
> >
> > Proposed title:
> > [VOTE] What should be new project name for proposed fork of FlexJS?
> >
> > List
> >
> > Description of VOTE from Harbs.
> >
> > VOTE itself:
> >
> > 1) Name +1 (Binding)
> > 2) Second Proposal
> > 3) Third proposal
> >
> > Does it look ok?
> >
> > Piotr
> >
> > On Sun, Sep 17, 2017, 10:04 Piotr Zarzycki 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Let's bring together the most mentioned from this thread and start a
> VOTE
> >> by Harbs's system.
> >> Let it be max 10 props.
> >>
> >> Piotr
> >>
> >> On Sun, Sep 17, 2017, 08:26 Alex Harui 
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> BOJA also was/is software-related:
> >>> https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF00143947
> >>>
> >>> Again, not a deal-killer.  One question that came to mind is whether
> we'd
> >>> spend too much time explaining why we called the project BOJA.  That
> got
> >>> me thinking of it as an acronym as well.  Or maybe a new project name
> >>> should be an acronym.
> >>>
> >>> BOJA could mean "Bring On Javascript in Actionscript"  or "Bend Over
> >>> Javascript, it's ActionScript" (just kidding).  And if using an acronym
> >>> for ActionScript it really should be AS, so BOJAS instead of BOJA.
> >>>
> >>> AIMA is Apps In Mxml and Actionscript.  AIMA has 713 hits on GitHub for
> >>> Artificial Intelligence, a Modern Approach.
> >>> AIMAS has 313 hits and none in JavaScript.
> >>> AMAS has 466 hits.  68 in JavaScript.  One is an "Application Server".
> >>> AMAS has been used by a few companies.
> >>>
> >>> Other ideas?  But again, we are running out of time...
> >>> -Alex
> >>>
> >>> On 9/16/17, 10:54 PM, "Alex Harui"  wrote:
> >>>
>  To be clear, none of my findings are deal killers for the proposed
> name.
> 
>  BOJA is the stock symbol for Bojangles Inc.  A chain of fried chicken
>  restaurants.
>  Wiktionary defined variants of boja [1].  What did you say you
> thought it
>  meant?
>  Boja has 163 matches on Github, but I didn't see an exact match but
> >>> didn't
>  check all.
> 
> >>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%
> 2F%2Fgithub.co
> >>>
>  m%2Fmudroljub%2Fbojanka=02%7C01%7C%7C474ae1cddaf34f798d
> 2408d4fd90895d
> >>>
>  %7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C63641224461979
> 2854=JXw
>  %2BN2o57mQyhCtuQy2NXKnzRLkZSK6nLzp62OU6FG8%3D=0 is "Simple
>  JavaScript application for
>  drawing in HTML5 canvas"
> 
>  -Alex
> 
>  [1]
> 
> >>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%
> 2F%2Fen.wiktio
>  nary.org
> >>> %2Fwiki%2Fboja=02%7C01%7C%7C474ae1cddaf34f798d2408d4fd90895d%
> >>>
>  7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636412244619792
> 854=cr6x
>  p272SB%2FCmqxvbx%2FXEHnVx03AlQpIzlAA4tUQAaw%3D=0
> 
> 
>  On 9/16/17, 10:38 PM, "Harbs"  wrote:
> 
> >
> >> On Sep 17, 2017, at 8:29 AM, Alex Harui 
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> A quick "suitable name search" on some other candidates:
> >>
> >> Braid:  260 repos match with Braid on Github.  There is a project
> call
> >> BraidApps.  Could pose some confusion since we produce apps.
> >>
> >> Strand:  697 repos match Strand on Github.  First match was
> >>
> >>
> >>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%
> 2F%2Fgithub.
> >> c
> >>>
> >> om%2FMediaMath%2Fstrand=02%7C01%7C%7C1dc156ada9f442f4ee
> 0a08d4fd8e51
> >> 9
> >>>
> >> b%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C6364122350772
> 72615=
> >> Y
> >> k5oLCpwtkSlGYJSqsfSd1dyRNl3rOx9LiNQh4IHLQU%3D=0.  It is a
> >> "collection of modular,
> >> reusable Web Components built upon Polymer"
> >>
> >> Beads:  971 repos match Bead on Github.  One,
> >>
> >>
> >>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%
> 2F%2Fgithub.
> >> c
> >>>
> >> om%2Forsjb%2Fbeads=02%7C01%7C%7C1dc156ada9f442f4ee0a08d
> 4fd8e519b%7C
> >> f
> >>>
> >> a7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636412235077272615
> =OQuLf
> >> 5
> >> ueW9aEbEV2rKSndy%2FbCHgWU33N0FgXG%2B%2BHmKc%3D=0 claims
> to be
> >> "The Beads Project".
> >>
> 

Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork

[OmPrakash Muppirala]

Someone up thread mentioned that Apache STeVe could be used for this.

https://steve.apache.org/vote_types.html

Thanks,
Om

On Sep 16, 2017 1:22 PM, "Piotr Zarzycki" <piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Harbs,

Nice idea. It allows picking up for anyone couple of options.

Piotr

On Sat, Sep 16, 2017, 21:57 Harbs <harbs.li...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I’m not sure why, but Royale does not resonate very well with me.
>
> Bend Bead and Strand are all good names as far as I’m concerned.
>
> I personally like Limber/Limbre.
>
> I like Boinga in a different way.
>
> I think that Böja has a great ring to it.
>
> One way I was thinking about a vote was by allowing everyone to pick up to
> three options. Option 1 would count for 3 points, option 2 for 2 and
option
> 3 for 1.
>
> We could then tally up the points for the winners.
>
> At that point we could either pick the one with the most points or call
> another vote to decide between the two with the most points.
>
> Thoughts?
> Harbs
>
> > On Sep 15, 2017, at 8:30 PM, Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com.INVALID>
> wrote:
> >
> > Dave says, and I agree, that if there is more than one candidate, we
> might
> > need to use a more complicated voting system like STeVe. What other
> > suggestions do you think have been popular enough to make a second
> > candidate?  I think FlexJS has been rejected as the project name.
> >
> > If anyone wants to push for a name other than Royale, please reply to
> this
> > post with that name.  Then we can decide whether we need to use STeVe or
> > not.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > -Alex
> >
> > On 9/15/17, 9:49 AM, "omup...@gmail.com on behalf of OmPrakash
> Muppirala"
> > <omup...@gmail.com on behalf of bigosma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 9:45 AM, Piotr Zarzycki
> >> <piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Definitely the were the most support for Royale. +1 for starting vote
> >>> YES/NO. We could express in the VOTE thread that anyone can shot his
> own
> >>> name idea and others can give him +1.
> >>>
> >>
> >> There were several suggestions, some of which we could consider.  We
> >> should
> >> probably let the FlexJS yes/no settle down before we start another
> thread.
> >> All this feels a bit rushed,  I am having a bit of a hard time
following
> >> discussions/decisions.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Om
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Piotr
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Sep 15, 2017, 18:39 Piotr Zarzycki <piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> As Alex said I also didn't answer for any single email from someone
> >>> who
> >>>> would like to start from scratch app or even would be new Flex world.
> >>>>
> >>>> We may get such people in the future, but we need to go with path
> >>> where
> >>>> first target will be ports the old one applications.
> >>>>
> >>>> As for the bad press - 4 years ago I have started work in a company
> >>> as an
> >>>> Flex Developer. This company grows on Flex development. Currently
they
> >>>> change the direction as many others, but I have to say that anyone
> >>> from
> >>>> initial 20 people said anything wrong about Flex. Just the opposite
> >>> there
> >>>> were very good press out there in the company as in outside in
Cracow.
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm all for having product FlexJS. We cannot abandon such tremendous
> >>>> opportunity. Look in the message from Rui in the VOTE thread - This
is
> >>> what
> >>>> we need to provide in order to read next time. I've choose FlexJS for
> >>> the
> >>>> port, cause it provides me what I need.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks,
> >>>> Piotr
> >>>>
> >>>> On Fri, Sep 15, 2017, 18:09 Erik de Bruin <e...@ixsoftware.nl> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> have a problem if someone created a runtime we wanted to target
> >>> called
> >>>>>> "Dover".
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Are you testing the non-native speakers?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I spilt some of my coffee over that one ;-)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> EdB
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> Ix Multimedia Software
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Jan Luykenstraat 27
> >>>>> 3521 VB Utrecht
> >>>>>
> >>>>> T. 06-51952295
> >>>>> I.
> >>>
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=www.ixsoftware.nl
> >>>
> =02%7C01%7C%7C4127f1b06d7f43f4310808d4fc59ca2f%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c1
> >>>
> 78decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636410909953528643=BTLJuY5ffdBpl7z%2B%2FPa%2FHfu
> >>> ogqLc38DybDD2qL8oF78%3D=0
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >
>
>

Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork

[OmPrakash Muppirala]

On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 9:45 AM, Piotr Zarzycki 
wrote:

> Definitely the were the most support for Royale. +1 for starting vote
> YES/NO. We could express in the VOTE thread that anyone can shot his own
> name idea and others can give him +1.
>

There were several suggestions, some of which we could consider.  We should
probably let the FlexJS yes/no settle down before we start another thread.
All this feels a bit rushed,  I am having a bit of a hard time following
discussions/decisions.

Thanks,
Om


>
> Piotr
>
> On Fri, Sep 15, 2017, 18:39 Piotr Zarzycki 
> wrote:
>
> > As Alex said I also didn't answer for any single email from someone who
> > would like to start from scratch app or even would be new Flex world.
> >
> > We may get such people in the future, but we need to go with path where
> > first target will be ports the old one applications.
> >
> > As for the bad press - 4 years ago I have started work in a company as an
> > Flex Developer. This company grows on Flex development. Currently they
> > change the direction as many others, but I have to say that anyone from
> > initial 20 people said anything wrong about Flex. Just the opposite there
> > were very good press out there in the company as in outside in Cracow.
> >
> > I'm all for having product FlexJS. We cannot abandon such tremendous
> > opportunity. Look in the message from Rui in the VOTE thread - This is
> what
> > we need to provide in order to read next time. I've choose FlexJS for the
> > port, cause it provides me what I need.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Piotr
> >
> > On Fri, Sep 15, 2017, 18:09 Erik de Bruin  wrote:
> >
> >> >
> >> > have a problem if someone created a runtime we wanted to target called
> >> > "Dover".
> >> >
> >>
> >> Are you testing the non-native speakers?
> >>
> >> I spilt some of my coffee over that one ;-)
> >>
> >> EdB
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Ix Multimedia Software
> >>
> >> Jan Luykenstraat 27
> >> 3521 VB Utrecht
> >>
> >> T. 06-51952295
> >> I. www.ixsoftware.nl
> >>
> >
>

Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork

[OmPrakash Muppirala]

On Sep 15, 2017 8:37 AM, "Alex Harui"  wrote:

It is funny, but actually, as we we've been thinking about adding suffixes
for target runtimes like Bend -> BendJS, it did occur to me that we would
have a problem if someone created a runtime we wanted to target called
"Dover"


Hahaha.  Took me a while to get it.  I hope no one does that.



My 2 cents,
-Alex

On 9/15/17, 2:59 AM, "Kessler CTR Mark J" 
wrote:

>I actually spilt some coffee on this one. Lol
>
>-Mark K
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Erik de Bruin [mailto:e...@ixsoftware.nl]
>Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 1:26 PM
>To: dev@flex.apache.org
>Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork
>
>BendForward...
>
>(just kidding!)
>
>EdB
>

Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork

[OmPrakash Muppirala]

In my view, the biggest reason for a fork is to get away from the name Flex.

In terms of familiarity, show a few lines of MXML code to current Flex
developers, they will immediately recognize it.

The same way that I recognize JQuery if I see the $ symbol or AngularJS
when I see ng-something.

My point is, if we can have a big snippet of MXML on our home page, SEO for
flex, flejs, actionscript, mxml, etc, we should be able to cover existing
Flex users.

For getting new users, IMHO, we must must get rid of the word Flex.  Once
someone comes in based on curiosity, we need to ensure that they like what
they see, namely ease of setup, ease of use, features support, etc.

Thanks,
Om

On Sep 14, 2017 3:36 PM, "Harbs"  wrote:

> Unless there are objections, I propose we continue the vote for the
> project name and we can have a separate discussion once the new project is
> formed on what to name the product.
>
> I don’t think we should rush into the decision on the product, but the
> project name is more time critical and has less marketing impact.
>
> Does that sound like a plan?
>
> Harbs
>
> > On Sep 15, 2017, at 12:42 AM, Piotr Zarzycki 
> wrote:
> >
> > Guys,
> >
> > Reading Justin's thoughts we should really consider all of that. We can
> > loose a lot of already gathered attention even if Carlos will put effort
> > for new brand.
> >
> > +1 for having Product Name as FlexJS. That would be the bridge which can
> > hold us.
> >
> > Piotr
> >
> > On Thu, Sep 14, 2017, 23:31 Peter Ent  wrote:
> >
> >> If the project name were to be "Apache Royale" and produced FlexJS, and
> >> the Apache Royale web page/wiki referenced FlexJS and made it available
> >> for Google searches, then anyone who was interested in or heard about
> >> FlexJS and searched for "FlexJS" (or "Flex" or "Adobe Flex" or "Apache
> >> Flex" or "ActionScript Flex" or ), they should get a link to Apache
> >> Royale in their search results. The blurb that accompanies the search
> >> result should mention FlexJS. I think that would be enough to pique
> >> interest and get a click.
> >>
> >> Substitute "Royale" for whatever name you'd like the project to be
> called.
> >>
> >> ‹peter
> >>
> >> On 9/14/17, 5:16 PM, "Harbs"  wrote:
> >>
> >>> It¹s great to have another perspective on this.
> >>>
> >>> Some of these issues can be addressed by SEO.
> >>>
> >>> It could be that we should be careful about changing names, and / or
> >>> timing of changing names.
> >>>
> >>> Alex does make a good point that the project name does not need to be
> the
> >>> same as the product name. It might make sense to keep the product as
> >>> FlexJS for now at least and just pick a different project name. The
> >>> product name is easier to change than the project name and a project
> can
> >>> have more than one product.
> >>>
> >>> If I would pick a reference to a product which did a major rebranding
> to
> >>> drop associations to old technology it would be Xojo. I¹m not sure how
> >>> many here are familiar with it, but it used to be call REALBasic. A few
> >>> years back they rebranded as Xojo. I don¹t think it made much of a
> >>> difference to the folks using it. I have no idea if it helped them or
> not.
> >>>
> >>> Harbs
> >>>
>  On Sep 14, 2017, at 11:07 PM, Justin M. Hill 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
>  Hi everyone,
> 
>  I am not someone with an official vote, but I wanted to express my
>  concern
>  about ditching the FlexJS name.
> 
>  The largest possible market for adoption of a new "javascript"
> solution
>  is
>  to go after those who have stuck with Flex.   There are FAR too many
>  javascript solutions on the market right now.
> 
>  If the vote is to change the name, this will:
> 
>  -- confuse the people who have been patiently waiting for FlexJS to
> get
>  to
>  1.0 so they can dive in.
> 
>  -- get lost in the noise of all of the other far more well popularized
>  javascript frameworks like Angular, React, etc.
> 
>  -- lose the feeling, however small it may be, that those who came from
>  the
>  Flex background can expect to have some of their knowledge recycled.
> 
> 
>  These are 3 critical aspects in terms of raising awareness and having
> a
>  potentially devoted following of one technology (Flex) star to
>  transition
>  and champion to a new one (FlexJS).
> 
>  If we lose that, then we effectively have to target against ALL
>  javascript
>  frameworks, most notably ones that are heavily entrenched already and
>  supported by giant company resources like Google and Facebook.
> 
> 
>  I am strongly opposed to a name change.  I think this would be a huge
>  mistake.
> 
>  On top of that, picking a new name and gaining awareness of it is
> HARD.
> 
>  It 

Re: [VOTE] Should the Project Name of the Proposed Fork be FlexJS?

[OmPrakash Muppirala]

No
(binding)

On Sep 14, 2017 8:37 AM, "Dave Fisher"  wrote:

VOTE Should the Project Name of the Proposed Fork be FlexJS?

[ ] Yes - The forked project should be Apache FlexJS.
[ ] No - The forked project should have another name which will be
discussed.
[ ] Abstain - Don’t care what the forked project is called.

The vote will be open for 72 hours until Sunday September 17, 16:00 UT.

Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork

[OmPrakash Muppirala]

We could always structure the VOTE like this:

1.  Royale
2.  XXX
3.  YYY
4.  FlexJS

One vote should answer both questions.

Thanks,
Om

On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 2:52 PM, Piotr Zarzycki 
wrote:

> On the other hand, we have rather majority of voices for do not change the
> name and Alex is right. - I'm seeing more people asking for help with
> porting. - We may disappear in the sea of frameworks with changed name...
>
> Maybe better have solid framework and invest in current name still with
> nice branding. I'm puzzled, so definitely I will give myself at least one
> day more before VOTE.
>
> Piotr
>
>
>
> 2017-09-13 23:31 GMT+02:00 Piotr Zarzycki :
>
> > +1 for Dave's proposition on starting the VOTE for name change.
> >
> > I would like to also add that Carlos's proposition for help to build new
> > brand triggers me. Peter helped also do understand that we can always
> state
> > from where we have come and what was our story.
> >
> > I'm going to change my mind on name changing and pickup "Royale" as the
> > most powerful for the new one. - The main question is can we use it since
> > it was code name of Macromedia Framework ?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Piotr
> >
> > 2017-09-13 22:59 GMT+02:00 Dave Fisher :
> >
> >> Hi -
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >> > On Sep 13, 2017, at 1:40 PM, Harbs  wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Carlos’ argument carries weight to me.
> >> >
> >> > If a new name will help motivate him in terms of marketing it, that’s
> >> value I can recognize.
> >> >
> >> > The name is not as important to me as motivating people to be involved
> >> in the project. We can build whatever messages we want around the name.
> >> >
> >> > Carlos clearly feels more passionate about his position than I do
> about
> >> mine.
> >> >
> >> > A hesitation I have about picking a new name is that I don’t want to
> >> delay the board’s decision on the new PMC. If we go for a new name can
> we
> >> try and pick one quickly?
> >>
> >> Let's start the FlexJS yes or no vote tonight or tomorrow morning.
> >>
> >> In parallel we can discuss other names if a new name is the result then
> >> we can immediately start the next vote. We have just enough time.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Dave
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> > Harbs
> >> >
> >> >> On Sep 13, 2017, at 9:20 PM, Carlos Rovira <
> >> carlos.rov...@codeoscopic.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Hi all,
> >> >>
> >> >> I'm putting some efforts here since I think this is really important
> >> for
> >> >> all of us and for our beloved FlexJS project.
> >> >>
> >> >> Name, website and all the visuals behind it mattersand is
> >> important in
> >> >> a way many of us in this community maybe can't imagine. If we don't
> >> get a
> >> >> fresh and compelling name and a clean and beautiful site where we
> >> explain
> >> >> all the great things our technology can do, we are losing our time,
> >> since
> >> >> this project will end with the bulk of the others xxxJS projects, and
> >> >> that's even horrible when our tech could be used for things other
> than
> >> JS!!
> >> >> (If we want in future years to make it possible).
> >> >>
> >> >> @Alex: I Think we can't have a PROJECT name != of PRODUCT name for
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Piotr Zarzycki
> >
> > mobile: +48 880 859 557 <+48%20880%20859%20557>
> > skype: zarzycki10
> >
> > LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/piotrzarzycki
> > 
> >
>
>
>
> --
>
> Piotr Zarzycki
>
> mobile: +48 880 859 557
> skype: zarzycki10
>
> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/piotrzarzycki
> 
>

Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork

[OmPrakash Muppirala]

On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 11:30 AM, Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com.invalid>
wrote:

> I believe those who say that trying to sell Flex or FlexJS to a client is
> difficult.
>

Not just to a client, but also for example, co-workers or managers.


>
> I don't have hard data to back this, but I've always felt that there are
> two kinds of Flex customers.  One set builds their own applications and
> thus can choose their own development technologies.  Another set builds
> applications for other people and have to complete against other
> candidates wanting to build those same applications.
>
> I believe the first set have Flex apps that need to migrate to something
> else by 2020.  I'm surprised there isn't more noise on our lists, but I
> think I'm seeing an increase in interest on our lists.  IMO, these are the
> customers it will be easier for us to win over since they have an existing
> code base in ActionScript and already buy into the fundamentals of Flex.
> I think there will be enough of these customers to keep us busy polishing
> the components.
>

Unless these customers have never heard about FlexJS.  Or they heard about
it and assumed it was just some Flex-something that is Flash based.
Or folks have already started to move to React or Angular.  Anything that
is called Flex-something gets filtered out in discussions.



>
> But I think the only question we want answered before the board meeting is
> whether the project name FlexJS is going to make it hard to build a brand
> with a different name to considered against the other JS frameworks.  I
> think it won't.  Carlos and Om, I feel like you haven't answered the
> question about PROJECT name.  I don't think there is anybody saying we
> shouldn't build a different brand on a different PRODUCT name later.  Do
> you feel like the PROJECT name of FlexJS is going to be a hindrance, and
> why?
>

Yes, because to people not in the know, if we say we are Apache FlexJS Bend
for example, they hear Flex-something and will get confused.

Unless we market it as Apache Bend.  Is that what you mean?

Thanks,
Om


>
> Thanks,
> -Alex
>
> On 9/13/17, 10:57 AM, "omup...@gmail.com on behalf of OmPrakash Muppirala"
> <omup...@gmail.com on behalf of bigosma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Sep 13, 2017 9:39 AM, "Yishay Weiss" <yishayj...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >My main concern was with the JS suffix. If we can create new products
> >without the JS suffix that’s fine with me.
> >
> >On the other hand, if Carlos or someone else feels passionate about a name
> >change and volunteers to deal with the overhead I wouldn’t go against it.
> >
> >
> >I agree with Carlos.  Bringing in the word Flex-something into a
> >conversation with peers is proving to be hard.
> >
> >If anything, a new name would bring a fresh perspective on this wonderful
> >technology.
> >
> >I volunteer to help out with the branding as much as I can.
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Om
> >
> >
> >
> >From: Alex Harui<mailto:aha...@adobe.com.INVALID>
> >Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 6:33 PM
> >To: dev@flex.apache.org<mailto:dev@flex.apache.org>
> >Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork
> >
> >Actually, my question was whether the PROJECT name is more or less
> >important than the PRODUCT name.  Mostly, the board/infra doesn't want us
> >to change the PROJECT name.  Infra replied that we can create PRODUCTs
> >with names that do not match the PROJECT name.
> >
> >So, could we live with the PROJECT being called FlexJS forever?  If we
> >think we can target a different group of customers with a different
> >PRODUCT name we can discuss what that name is later.  Now AIUI, if we do
> >stick with FlexJS as the PROJECT, and later decide to create a PRODUCT
> >called Foo, I think somewhere on web pages for Foo it will link back
> >eventually to our source repositories and other pages that have the
> >PROJECT name "FlexJS" on it and people might go "Huh, I didn't know that
> >Foo was based on FlexJS".  But will they run away?
> >
> >I buy lots of foods with brand names that I have no idea who the actual
> >manufacturer is.  In the US, a fancy brand of cookies (Pepperidge Farm) is
> >manufactured by the same company that makes cheap condensed soup
> >(Campbells).  A popular salad dressing is made by a well-known bleach
> >company (Clorox).  So, I agree with Carlos that it might be worth building
> >a whole new brand without the word Flex in it, but I think the only
> >question we need to answer right now is whether the PROJECT name "FlexJS"
> >wi

RE: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork

[OmPrakash Muppirala]

On Sep 13, 2017 9:39 AM, "Yishay Weiss"  wrote:

My main concern was with the JS suffix. If we can create new products
without the JS suffix that’s fine with me.

On the other hand, if Carlos or someone else feels passionate about a name
change and volunteers to deal with the overhead I wouldn’t go against it.


I agree with Carlos.  Bringing in the word Flex-something into a
conversation with peers is proving to be hard.

If anything, a new name would bring a fresh perspective on this wonderful
technology.

I volunteer to help out with the branding as much as I can.

Thanks,
Om



From: Alex Harui
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 6:33 PM
To: dev@flex.apache.org
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork

Actually, my question was whether the PROJECT name is more or less
important than the PRODUCT name.  Mostly, the board/infra doesn't want us
to change the PROJECT name.  Infra replied that we can create PRODUCTs
with names that do not match the PROJECT name.

So, could we live with the PROJECT being called FlexJS forever?  If we
think we can target a different group of customers with a different
PRODUCT name we can discuss what that name is later.  Now AIUI, if we do
stick with FlexJS as the PROJECT, and later decide to create a PRODUCT
called Foo, I think somewhere on web pages for Foo it will link back
eventually to our source repositories and other pages that have the
PROJECT name "FlexJS" on it and people might go "Huh, I didn't know that
Foo was based on FlexJS".  But will they run away?

I buy lots of foods with brand names that I have no idea who the actual
manufacturer is.  In the US, a fancy brand of cookies (Pepperidge Farm) is
manufactured by the same company that makes cheap condensed soup
(Campbells).  A popular salad dressing is made by a well-known bleach
company (Clorox).  So, I agree with Carlos that it might be worth building
a whole new brand without the word Flex in it, but I think the only
question we need to answer right now is whether the PROJECT name "FlexJS"
will be a hindrance to building that brand.

Thoughts?
-Alex

On 9/13/17, 4:07 AM, "Harbs"  wrote:

>Yes. If we might change the name after forming the new PMC, it’s a
>concern. Alex’s question is more about the framework developing into
>something else in the future. That’s something I don’t think we need to
>be concerned about right now.
>
>I’d rather capitalize on the FlexJS name.
>
>Harbs
>
>> On Sep 13, 2017, at 1:41 PM, Piotr Zarzycki 
>>wrote:
>>
>> I thought that name things was one of the concerns in the thread from
>> board.
>

Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork

[OmPrakash Muppirala]

I prefer a name change away from FlexJS.

I would like to concentrate more on getting new developers to the fold as
opposed concentrating on existing Flex developers.

The term FlexXX has a dated feel to it.  Maybe a new name will get folks to
check it out at which point they will feel like sticking to it.

Thanks,
Om

On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 11:20 PM, Alex Harui 
wrote:

> I would like some thoughts on a related question, but first some context:
>
> IMO, it would help to continue to develop and ship a product called Apache
> FlexJS right now to draw in migrating Flex folks.  And maybe some day,
> we'll ship a product that is more targeted to folks writing new JS apps
> and maybe even target runtimes other than JS, and that might have a name
> that doesn't have Flex in it.  So, the _project_ could be called something
> else, but it seems odd for there to be an Apache Flex project and an
> Apache XX project that ships an Apache FlexJS product.
>
> So my question is: How impactful the project name is compared to the
> product name?  I'm not sure I can recite the project/manufacturer names
> behind many products but most are the same at Apache.
>
> So, if someone thinks of a great project name that can encompass these
> possibilities in our future and Apache authorities won't object to using
> FlexJS for a product in a project with a different name, I would be in
> favor of the new name, but if project names aren't as impactful as product
> names, I'd just lean towards sticking with FlexJS as the project name for
> now just so we can get the proposal decided on in the September 20 board
> meeting and not have to wait more.
>
> Thoughts?
> -Alex
>
> On 9/11/17, 9:35 PM, "Piotr Zarzycki"  wrote:
>
> >Hi Dave,
> >
> >I believe that FlexJS is the right name. We have gained some recognition
> >and visibility among people and companies. I don't believe that we are
> >really at the beginning anymore.
> >
> >Our main first customers are companies who would like to rewrite their
> >apps
> >from Flex, so this connection is something really good.
> >If majority which response to this thread would like to change the name I
> >will not fight. Keep in mind that we really would like to have the project
> >split - I believe that is the most important to us.
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Piotr
> >
> >2017-09-12 3:01 GMT+02:00 Dave Fisher :
> >
> >> Hi -
> >>
> >> In discussions on the Board and Private list about the proposal voted
> >>on a
> >> few weeks ago to fork FlexJS it was pointed out that it would good to
> >> discuss if a new name should be attached to the forked project.
> >>
> >> There are one or two propositions to discuss.
> >>
> >> (1) FlexJS - is this distinct enough and will the historical connection
> >>to
> >> Adobe/Apache Flex and Flash help or hinder the forked project’s future?
> >>
> >> Please provide arguments in any direction.
> >>
> >> (2) If a change is the outcome then we need to discuss and accumulate
> >> reasonable names. Determine what is suitable by checking for other uses
> >>of
> >> these names. If there are multiple choices available then we should
> >>vote.
> >>
> >> A discussion of possible names can go in parallel to the discussion
> >>about
> >> keeping FlexJS.
> >>
> >> This discussion needs to proceed quickly if we want to have an open
> >> process in advance of the next ASF Board meeting.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Dave
> >>
> >
> >
> >
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> >skype: zarzycki10
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Re: [FlexJS][Installer] Future packaging of FlexJS releases

[OmPrakash Muppirala]

On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 9:55 AM, Michael Schmalle <teotigraphix...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> If I could get a zip to just try it, I am all for this.
>
> On the plus side, if you can get a zip only for windows and documented
> setup for quick testing, I think this goes a long way with being able to
> develop the compiler and develop the ui framework separation a lot cleaner.
>
> Getting stuff ripped away from the Flash player and Adobe in a new project
> is #1. Plus the lightweight nature of not having to download the AIR SDK
> for dev and just js.
>
> @Om what would be the difference between npm and a zip?
>

npm comes in the picture only for folks who want the swf side of things.
The zip would not create swf files.


>
> Mike
>
> On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 12:48 PM, Piotr Zarzycki <piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com
> >
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Alex,
> >
> > Since you fake airglobal.swc and playerglobal.swc maybe it will also work
> > with Moonshine. I will try to do same operation as you did and see
> whether
> > I will not have previous errors.
> >
> > Thanks!
> > Piotr
> >
> > 2017-09-07 18:43 GMT+02:00 OmPrakash Muppirala <bigosma...@gmail.com>:
> >
> > > This is a big big deal.  Thanks for getting this done.
> > >
> > > I would be very interested in the non-installer, simple zip file
> > download.
> > >
> > > I dont care much for Ant as a requirement, I would rather continue
> > > maintaining the npm FlexJS package for AIR download + setup.
> > >
> > > Thoughts?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Om
> > >
> > > On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 9:38 AM, Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com.invalid>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi folks,
> > > >
> > > > Yesterday, I was able to manually create a folder of files that
> > contained
> > > > no Adobe AIR or Adobe Flash files and still was an acceptable
> > Flex/FlexJS
> > > > SDK for Adobe Flash Builder and allowed me to compile
> > DataBindingExample
> > > > for JSFlex output only (it did not build a SWF).
> > > >
> > > > This is interesting because it could significantly change the way we
> > > > package FlexJS releases.  We could have a default package that is a
> > > > ready-to-use zip of this folder of files.  Then the Installer is no
> > > longer
> > > > needed if your goal is just to install FlexJS, fire up an IDE, and
> see
> > > how
> > > > it works in the browser without Flash and you don't need to see how
> it
> > > > looks in Flash.
> > > >
> > > > If this sound good to folks, I will try to alter the Ant build
> scripts
> > to
> > > > produce such a package (maybe some other volunteer can take on doing
> > this
> > > > in Maven).  In case you are wondering, what I did was fake some of
> the
> > > > Adobe files that Flash Builder looks for by making copies of some
> > Apache
> > > > files.  For example, I copied the js.swc that contains the Object
> > > > definition for the browser to be airglobal.swc and playerglobal.swc.
> > So
> > > > far, it appears that Flash Builder is only checking for existence of
> > > > files, not actual classes in these files.  But we might hit some bug
> > > later
> > > > as we test this further.
> > > >
> > > > Then the next question is, what do folks do who want to get SWF
> output?
> > > > We could try to write a script for the Installer that downloads the
> AIR
> > > > and Flash SDK and puts them in the right places in the SDK folder but
> > it
> > > > will run into the same memory limits that is currently a problem for
> > the
> > > > Installer.  We could write a new AIR app that brings down the AIR and
> > > > Flash SDKs.  We could provide Ant scripts that download and deploy
> the
> > > > Adobe bits.  I think we already have bash scripts that do this.  Not
> > sure
> > > > if folks on Windows will be happy with that or not.
> > > >
> > > > Using Ant has the advantage that it works on Windows, Mac and Linux.
> > > Bash
> > > > scripts require a shell on Windows.  I believe AIR apps have issues
> on
> > > > Linux.
> > > >
> > > > We could try to teach the compiler to look for and expand the AIR SDK
> > if
> > > > it finds that someone specified SWF output but the AIR SDK is not
> > found.
> > > > It would look in Downloads folders for the most recent AIR SDK
> package
> > > > name.  So folks who want SWF output go to the Adobe site, download an
> > AIR
> > > > SDK and then run the compiler.
> > > >
> > > > This does make SWF output somewhat "second class" and I still believe
> > > that
> > > > folks who want strong-typing and will be using modules will benefit
> > from
> > > > at least testing in a Flash/AIR runtime, but I think it makes the
> > > releases
> > > > truly appear independent from Adobe.
> > > >
> > > > Thoughts?
> > > > -Alex
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Piotr Zarzycki
> >
> > mobile: +48 880 859 557
> > skype: zarzycki10
> >
> > LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/piotrzarzycki
> > <https://pl.linkedin.com/in/piotr-zarzycki-92a53552>
> >
>

Re: [FlexJS][Installer] Future packaging of FlexJS releases

[OmPrakash Muppirala]

This is a big big deal.  Thanks for getting this done.

I would be very interested in the non-installer, simple zip file download.

I dont care much for Ant as a requirement, I would rather continue
maintaining the npm FlexJS package for AIR download + setup.

Thoughts?

Thanks,
Om

On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 9:38 AM, Alex Harui  wrote:

> Hi folks,
>
> Yesterday, I was able to manually create a folder of files that contained
> no Adobe AIR or Adobe Flash files and still was an acceptable Flex/FlexJS
> SDK for Adobe Flash Builder and allowed me to compile DataBindingExample
> for JSFlex output only (it did not build a SWF).
>
> This is interesting because it could significantly change the way we
> package FlexJS releases.  We could have a default package that is a
> ready-to-use zip of this folder of files.  Then the Installer is no longer
> needed if your goal is just to install FlexJS, fire up an IDE, and see how
> it works in the browser without Flash and you don't need to see how it
> looks in Flash.
>
> If this sound good to folks, I will try to alter the Ant build scripts to
> produce such a package (maybe some other volunteer can take on doing this
> in Maven).  In case you are wondering, what I did was fake some of the
> Adobe files that Flash Builder looks for by making copies of some Apache
> files.  For example, I copied the js.swc that contains the Object
> definition for the browser to be airglobal.swc and playerglobal.swc.  So
> far, it appears that Flash Builder is only checking for existence of
> files, not actual classes in these files.  But we might hit some bug later
> as we test this further.
>
> Then the next question is, what do folks do who want to get SWF output?
> We could try to write a script for the Installer that downloads the AIR
> and Flash SDK and puts them in the right places in the SDK folder but it
> will run into the same memory limits that is currently a problem for the
> Installer.  We could write a new AIR app that brings down the AIR and
> Flash SDKs.  We could provide Ant scripts that download and deploy the
> Adobe bits.  I think we already have bash scripts that do this.  Not sure
> if folks on Windows will be happy with that or not.
>
> Using Ant has the advantage that it works on Windows, Mac and Linux.  Bash
> scripts require a shell on Windows.  I believe AIR apps have issues on
> Linux.
>
> We could try to teach the compiler to look for and expand the AIR SDK if
> it finds that someone specified SWF output but the AIR SDK is not found.
> It would look in Downloads folders for the most recent AIR SDK package
> name.  So folks who want SWF output go to the Adobe site, download an AIR
> SDK and then run the compiler.
>
> This does make SWF output somewhat "second class" and I still believe that
> folks who want strong-typing and will be using modules will benefit from
> at least testing in a Flash/AIR runtime, but I think it makes the releases
> truly appear independent from Adobe.
>
> Thoughts?
> -Alex
>
>
>

FlexJS installation - Installer vs. npm

[OmPrakash Muppirala]

I am trying to debug a problem with Visual Studio Code integration.  The
FlexJS 0.8.0 SDK that I installed with `npm install flexjs -g` does not
work with VSCode.  It fails with this error:
Error: Missing builtin type Object (1,1)

More details here:
https://github.com/BowlerHatLLC/vscode-nextgenas/issues/122

Then I tried the same with the Installer installed version of FlexJS 0.8.0
and it seems to work fine.

Here is a folder diff of the two installations:
https://ibb.co/j2berv

Off the bat, I see that the Installer version has a flex-typedefs folder
which is missing in the npm version.  Any idea when that was added?  It
can't possibly be in the released artifact because they both seem to be
getting it from the same binary package.

Also, can anyone see anything obvious that could be causing this error?

Thanks,
Om

RE: [VOTE] Fork FlexJS from Apache Flex

[OmPrakash Muppirala]

> work on FlexJS.  The rest contributed in their spare time.  Two more are
> now paid to migrate an existing application and thus contribute to add
> missing features and fix bugs.  By creating a separate project, we hope to
> attract more folks who may not want to be involved with the legacy Apache
> Flex code.
>
> Relationship with Existing Apache Projects
>
> Apache FlexJS might use some releases from Apache Flex for some features
> or for an Installer app.  FlexJS can be used to create Apache Cordova
> applications and we hope to find time to make the Cordova community aware
> of this capability.  The Apache FlexJS Compiler has dependencies on Apache
> Commons, and we use Apache Ant and Apache Maven for building the various
> release artifacts.
>
> Cryptography
>
> Apache FlexJS does not currently does not distribute cryptography code
> other than an MD5 hash algorithm.
>
> Required Resources
>
> Mailing Lists
>
> -private@
> -dev@
> -commits@
> -users@
> -issues@
>
> Version Control
>
> We would like to use GitBox if it is practical to convert the current git
> repos listed above.  We want to explore using GitHub's wiki and
> documentation tools.
>
> Issue Tracking
>
> If GitBox allows us to use GitHub issues, we will use that, otherwise, we
> will request a new JIRA project from Infra.
>
> Other Resources
>
> We would like to try using Git for our website version control and
> whatever the publishing process is.  We will probably continue to run jobs
> on builds.a.o.
>
> Initial PMC
>
> Harbs
> Yishay Weiss
> Alex Harui
> Peter Ent
> Josh Tynjala
> Piotr Zarzycki
> Carlos Rovira
> Erik De Bruin
> Omprakash Muppirala
> Frédéric Thomas
> Olaf Krueger
> Michael Schmalle
> Dave Fisher
>
>
> Initial Committers
>
> Christofer Dutz
> Greg Dove
> Andy Dufilie
> Darrell Loverin
>
>
>
> We propose Harbs as initial PMC Chair and VP Apache FlexJS.
>
> Affiliations
>
> Alex Harui and Peter Ent are currently employees of Adobe Systems Inc.
> Nobody else works for a large corporation.
>
> --- End Proposal ---
>
>

Re: [DISCUSS} Fork FlexJS from Apache Flex

[OmPrakash Muppirala]

Hehe looks like this is a thing already: https://phoenix.apache.org/
Oh well, never mind :-(

On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 2:35 PM, Dave Fisher <dave2w...@comcast.net> wrote:

> That's a conflict. We would want a nonconflicting name that will not
> confuse our users.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:25 PM, Harbs <harbs.li...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Well, Phoenix is already a thing:
> > http://phoenixframework.org/ <http://phoenixframework.org/>
> >
> > Not sure about trademark issues…
> >
> >> On Aug 31, 2017, at 11:55 PM, OmPrakash Muppirala <bigosma...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> I want to throw in the name FenixJS for the fork.
> >> Its a play on the words Flex + Phoenix.  You know what that means :-)
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Om
> >
>
>

Re: [DISCUSS} Fork FlexJS from Apache Flex

[OmPrakash Muppirala]

I want to throw in the name FenixJS for the fork.
Its a play on the words Flex + Phoenix.  You know what that means :-)

Thanks,
Om

Re: [DISCUSS} Fork FlexJS from Apache Flex

[OmPrakash Muppirala]

gt;
> > Alignment
> >
> > Apache FlexJS is already being released by Apache.
> >
> > Known Risks
> >
> > Code Extraction
> >
> > The flex-asjs, flex-tours, flex-typedefs, and flex-falcon Git repos would
> > be migrated to GitBox.  Other Apache Flex repos would be treated as
> > external dependencies.  This includes flex-utilities and the Apache Flex
> > Installer.
> >
> > Orphaned Projects
> >
> > Most FlexJS PMC members are planning to remain on the Apache Flex PMC to
> > help out just-in-case, but are already mostly inactive on the Flex code
> > bases. However, there are at least 3 Apache Flex PMC members who have not
> > contributed at all to FlexJS and participate in regular Flex releases, so
> > the expectation is that Apache Flex will remain a viable project for some
> > time to come.
> >
> > Inexperience with Open Source
> >
> > All of the initial team has been contributing to Apache Flex for months
> if
> > not years.
> >
> > Homogenous Developers
> >
> > No company employs more than two of the members of the initial team.
> >
> > Reliance on Salaried Developers
> >
> > Until about a year ago, only 2 of the proposed PMC members were paid to
> > work on FlexJS.  The rest contributed in their spare time.  Two more are
> > now paid to migrate an existing application and thus contribute to add
> > missing features and fix bugs.  By creating a separate project, we hope
> to
> > attract more folks who may not want to be involved with the legacy Apache
> > Flex code.
> >
> > Relationship with Existing Apache Projects
> >
> > Apache FlexJS might use some releases from Apache Flex for some features
> > or for an Installer app.  FlexJS can be used to create Apache Cordova
> > applications and we hope to find time to make the Cordova community aware
> > of this capability.  The Apache FlexJS Compiler has dependencies on
> Apache
> > Commons, and we use Apache Ant and Apache Maven for building the various
> > release artifacts.
> >
> > Cryptography
> >
> > Apache FlexJS does not currently distribute cryptography code other than
> > an MD5 hash algorithm.
> >
> > Required Resources
> >
> > Mailing Lists
> >
> > -private@
> > -dev@
> > -commits@
> > -users@
> > -issues@
> >
> > Version Control
> >
> > We would like to use GitBox if it is practical to convert the current git
> > repos listed above.  We want to explore using GitHub's wiki and
> > documentation tools.
> >
> > Issue Tracking
> >
> > If GitBox allows us to use GitHub issues, we will use that, otherwise, we
> > will request a new JIRA project from Infra.
> >
> > Other Resources
> >
> > We would like to try using Git for our website version control and
> > whatever the publishing process is.  We will probably continue to run
> jobs
> > on builds.a.o.
> >
> > Initial PMC
> >
> > Harbs
> > Yishay Weiss
> > Alex Harui
> > Peter Ent
> > Josh Tynjala
> > Piotr Zarzycki
> > Carlos Rovira
> > Greg Dove
> > Erik De Bruin
> > Omprakash Muppirala
> > Frédéric Thomas
> > Olaf Krueger
> > Michael Schmalle
> > Dave Fisher
> >
> >
> > Initial Committers
> >
> > Christofer Dutz
> > Andy Dufilie
> > Darrell Loverin
> >
> > We propose Harbs as initial PMC Chair and VP Apache FlexJS.
> >
> > Affiliations
> >
> > Alex Harui and Peter Ent are currently employees of Adobe Systems Inc.
> > Nobody else works for a large corporation.
> >
> > - end proposal ---
> >
> >
> > It isn't clear how much longer Adobe will pay Peter and I to work on Flex
> > and/or FlexJS.  So getting rid of as much overhead as possible so we can
> > try to get as many folks to use FlexJS in the next few months will help
> > make a case to keep us on FlexJS longer.  Yes there is a risk that
> forking
> > may be a distraction and cause a loss of momentum, but whether I get to
> > continue full-time or in my spare-time, I want to make the most efficient
> > use of my time.
> >
> >
> > I will be stepping down as Apache Flex chair since I want to spend most
> of
> > my time on FlexJS.  I will remain on the Apache Flex PMC to help out in
> > case of emergency.
> >
> > Please provide feedback and questions ASAP.  The plan is to have a vote
> in
> > a few days so we can present this proposal to the board around September
> 1
> > so it can be on the September board agenda along with changes to the
> > Apache Flex chair.
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> > -Alex
> >
>
>

Re: [FlexJS][Docs] Started with some docs using a github repo

[OmPrakash Muppirala]

Ah, I see that Apache org on Github has disabled wiki pages.  Sorry for the
noise :-(

Thanks,
Om

On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 11:17 AM, piotrz  wrote:

> Om,
>
> What do you mean by check in those doc to flexjs source ? Do you mean
> create
> in our FlexJS repo [1] similar wiki tab as it is currently on Olaf's github
> ?
>
> [1] https://github.com/apache/flex-asjs
>
> Thanks,
> Piotr
>
>
>
> -
> Apache Flex PMC
> piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com
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> View this message in context: http://apache-flex-
> development.247.n4.nabble.com/FlexJS-Docs-Started-with-
> some-docs-using-a-github-repo-tp63786p63887.html
> Sent from the Apache Flex Development mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>

Re: [FlexJS][Docs] Started with some docs using a github repo

[OmPrakash Muppirala]

I think Github is a better way to crowd-source documentation than asking
folks to write to a Wiki page.
It enables anyone to start working on documentation and then send a PR.

That said, Olaf, since you are already a committer, you can simply check in
the docs into the flex-asjs git repo and continue working there as well.

Thanks,
Om

On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 10:14 AM, Alex Harui 
wrote:

> Note that we can and have given out Apache Flex wiki edit access to
> non-committers.
>
> If the plan is to move this content to Apache someday, it is prudent to
> make sure contributors have agreed to that before contributing.  Having
> this work contributed directly to the Apache Flex wiki implies that
> agreement.
>
> So, I think folks have to decide whether there is some logistical or
> technical advantage to having this content created outside of Apache on a
> different wiki technology or not.  It is important that good doc exists
> within the project.  I think I've seen projects get in trouble for
> pointing folks outside of Apache for the "recommended" doc.  But that does
> not mean that other folks cannot create better content outside of Apache
> and make money writing books and other learning content.
>
> My 2 cents,
> -Alex
>
> On 8/13/17, 12:15 PM, "Olaf Krueger"  wrote:
> >
> >I think the benefit of using GitHub is that anybody is able to contribute,
> >even non-comitters. And that it's not so bad to have some more FlexJS
> >resources on the web.
> >
> >However, it could still move to Apache at any time.
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Olaf
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >x-development.247.n4.nabble.com%2FFlexJS-Docs-
> Started-with-some-docs-u
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>
>

Re: [FlexJS][Docs] Started with some docs using a github repo

[OmPrakash Muppirala]

Olaf,

I think you should do what you feel comfortable given that you are putting
most of the work 

That said, if you plan to migrate it to the Apache Flex project at a future
point, it will be easier if you add an Apache V2 license to your repo right
away.

Thanks,
Om


On Aug 13, 2017 12:17 PM, "Olaf Krueger"  wrote:

>By GitHub pages you mean as part of Apache ?

No. Github pages use Jekyll as static site generator under the hood and
Jekyll supports Markdown to generate the pages.
So the migration should not so much effort.
At the end, each particular article is represented by its particular file
then which could probably be tracked easier.

I think the benefit of using GitHub is that anybody is able to contribute,
even non-comitters. And that it's not so bad to have some more FlexJS
resources on the web.

However, it could still move to Apache at any time.

Thanks,
Olaf








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Re: [MAVEN-BUILD] FlexJS Framework (maven) - Build # 1167 - Fixed

[OmPrakash Muppirala]

Thanks for taking care of this, Piotr!

Regards,
Om

On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 11:18 AM, Piotr Zarzycki 
wrote:

> Yes! Finally it's working!
>
> Chris Lambertus on infra HipChat helped me giving a tip to setup specific
> version of Maven in configuration! I setup 3.3.9 (Windows).
>
> Piotr
>
> 2017-08-03 20:15 GMT+02:00 Apache Jenkins Server <
> jenk...@builds.apache.org>
> :
>
> > The Apache Jenkins build system has built FlexJS Framework (maven) (build
> > #1167)
> >
> > Status: Fixed
> >
> > Check console output at https://builds.apache.org/job/
> > FlexJS%20Framework%20(maven)/1167/ to view the results.
>

Re: Debugger statement

[OmPrakash Muppirala]

+1

I so used to doing this nowadays.  Also, this is very useful when we want
to debug Node.js applications.  There is no good way to setup debug points
the first time with Node.js applications.

Thanks,
Om

On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 3:01 PM, Josh Tynjala  wrote:

> If there are no objections in the next 24 hours, I plan to merge my
> "feature/debugger-statement" branch that adds a "debugger" statement to
> ActionScript similar to the one available in JS.
>
> Use of the debugger statement is completely optional, but it's a useful way
> to trigger the debugger from code in a cross-platform way. In other words,
> the following code will just work whether you're running the generated JS
> or SWF:
>
> if(x > 100)
> {
> debugger;
> }
>
> - Josh
>

Re: Theme for FlexJS

[OmPrakash Muppirala]

On Jul 28, 2017 7:51 AM, "Angelo Lazzari" <lazzari.ang...@gmail.com> wrote:

For me REALLY ok... can we create a speak in slack or wherever... just to
speak about thing and not bother all the users... let me know about..

Thank you very much


Angelo, at Apache, we prefer all discussion to happen on the mailing
lists.  Off list discussions, while seemingly quick and easy, will prevent
the rest of the community from following and possibly altering the course
of events.

That said, if you really need to discuss some things that are not suitable
for public lists, such as IP related issues, please feel free to send me a
direct email.

P. S. I will be removing us...@flex.apache.org going forward. So those who
are interested in this, please subscribe to the dev@flex.apache.org mailing
list.

Thanks,
Om


Angelo

El vie., 28 jul. 2017 a las 16:42, OmPrakash Muppirala (<
bigosma...@gmail.com>) escribió:

> On Jul 28, 2017 7:10 AM, "piotrz" <piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Om,
>
> That would be awesome, cause I will go on vacation next week and have a
> feeling that will not provide asap some resources at that time if will be
> required for Angelo and Trevor. If you could look from time to time to
this
> o related thread will be great! :)
>
> Thanks,
> Piotr
>
>
> Okay, have fun ☺️
> I will set up a simple project where we can start the skinning a simple
> button.
>
> I would say lets keep everything in CSS. It would make it easier for
others
> to copy and modify the theme.
>
> Here is what we would need:
>
> For the up, over and down states,
>
> Background color,
> Border
> Padding
> Margin
> Alpha
>
> For effects, we need CSS transitions between states.  I can set up a
simple
> transition and we can tweak it as much as we want.
>
> Also, for this theme, we need to pick one or two fonts.  Apache Open Sans
> is a good default because of the license.  More fancy ones can be
> considered if they are of compatible licenses.
>
> Trevor/Angelo, does all this sound good to you?
>
> Once we iron out all the issues, we can take on a slightly more complex
> IconButton.  After that hopefully, folks can start contributing and work
on
> other components in parallel.
>
> Thanks,
> Om
>
>
>
>
>
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>

Theme for FlexJS

[OmPrakash Muppirala]

On Jul 28, 2017 7:10 AM, "piotrz"  wrote:

Om,

That would be awesome, cause I will go on vacation next week and have a
feeling that will not provide asap some resources at that time if will be
required for Angelo and Trevor. If you could look from time to time to this
o related thread will be great! :)

Thanks,
Piotr


Okay, have fun ☺️
I will set up a simple project where we can start the skinning a simple
button.

I would say lets keep everything in CSS. It would make it easier for others
to copy and modify the theme.

Here is what we would need:

For the up, over and down states,

Background color,
Border
Padding
Margin
Alpha

For effects, we need CSS transitions between states.  I can set up a simple
transition and we can tweak it as much as we want.

Also, for this theme, we need to pick one or two fonts.  Apache Open Sans
is a good default because of the license.  More fancy ones can be
considered if they are of compatible licenses.

Trevor/Angelo, does all this sound good to you?

Once we iron out all the issues, we can take on a slightly more complex
IconButton.  After that hopefully, folks can start contributing and work on
other components in parallel.

Thanks,
Om





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Re: Installer Problems

[OmPrakash Muppirala]

On Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 4:43 PM, piotrz  wrote:

> Do we have some alternative to provide users where we can download by SDK
> with all dependencies ?
>

Yes, it is as simple as: *npm install flexjs -g*

Thanks,
Om


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Re: [DRAFT] Apache FlexJS 0.8.0 and Apache Flex FalconJX 0.8.0 Released

[OmPrakash Muppirala]

FlexJS 0.8 has been published to npm.

Please test using:
npm install flexjs -g

Thanks,
Om

On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 10:46 PM, OmPrakash Muppirala <bigosma...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>
>
> On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 8:28 PM, Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> I think the mirrors are mostly caught up.  I am going to switch over the
>> Installer and website now because there is someone on the users list
>> wanting to try FlexJS and I just updated the wiki to match how 0.8.0 will
>> work.
>>
>> I will wait until I hear that you have the NPM ready before sending the
>> announcement.
>
>
> Working on it now.
>
> Thanks,
> Om
>
>
>> I think only Olaf suggested any changes.  Anybody else?
>>
>> -Alex
>>
>> On 6/26/17, 9:27 AM, "omup...@gmail.com on behalf of OmPrakash Muppirala"
>> <omup...@gmail.com on behalf of bigosma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >I will get it done in the next 24 hours. Do we want to wait 3 days to
>> >announce so that the mirrors can catch up?
>> >
>> >Thanks,
>> >Om
>>
>>
>

Re: [DRAFT] Apache FlexJS 0.8.0 and Apache Flex FalconJX 0.8.0 Released

[OmPrakash Muppirala]

On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 8:28 PM, Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com.invalid>
wrote:

> I think the mirrors are mostly caught up.  I am going to switch over the
> Installer and website now because there is someone on the users list
> wanting to try FlexJS and I just updated the wiki to match how 0.8.0 will
> work.
>
> I will wait until I hear that you have the NPM ready before sending the
> announcement.


Working on it now.

Thanks,
Om


> I think only Olaf suggested any changes.  Anybody else?
>
> -Alex
>
> On 6/26/17, 9:27 AM, "omup...@gmail.com on behalf of OmPrakash Muppirala"
> <omup...@gmail.com on behalf of bigosma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >I will get it done in the next 24 hours. Do we want to wait 3 days to
> >announce so that the mirrors can catch up?
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Om
>
>

Re: [DISCUSS] Discuss Release Apache FlexJS 0.8.0 RC2

[OmPrakash Muppirala]

I tried the installer.xml via ant.  It was failing.

I was downloading the AIR sdk via the browser when the vote results were
announced.

In any case, I will give all this a spin when I get release of the npm
package out.

Thanks,
Om

On Jun 26, 2017 8:25 PM, "Alex Harui"  wrote:

I updated the MD5 for Air Beta 25 last night after seeing Om's email.
Hopefully that fixes it for him.

I just "released" the Maven artifacts.  Can someone verify that it did the
right thing?

Thanks to everyone who helped get the release out.  Especially Piotr, who
did a lot of the work on the Maven side for RC2.

Thanks,
-Alex

On 6/26/17, 5:18 AM, "piotrz"  wrote:

>Hi Om,
>
>I saw your post in VOTE thread.  Did you tried to download artifacts by
>installer yes ? This is where you had the problems ?
>
>Thanks,
>Piotr
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [DRAFT] Apache FlexJS 0.8.0 and Apache Flex FalconJX 0.8.0 Released

[OmPrakash Muppirala]

I will get it done in the next 24 hours. Do we want to wait 3 days to
announce so that the mirrors can catch up?

Thanks,
Om

On Jun 26, 2017 8:37 PM, "Alex Harui"  wrote:

Please comment on the draft below.  We need Om or someone to publish the
npm module.

---

The Apache Flex community is pleased to announce the release of Apache
FlexJS SDK 0.8.0 and Apache Flex FalconJX Compiler 0.8.0.

Apache Flex is a highly productive, open source application framework for
building and maintaining expressive applications that deploy consistently
on all major browsers, desktops and devices (including smartphones,
tablets and tv).

Apache FlexJS is a next-generation Flex SDK that enables developers to use
MXML and ActionScript to not only create SWFs but also cross-compile the
same MXML and ActionScript to HTML/JS/CSS so applications can run natively
in browsers.  The cross-compiled code can also be used in Apache Cordova
(Adobe PhoneGap) mobile applications.

Apache Flex FalconJX is a next-generation MXML and ActionScript
cross-compiler.  It extends the next-generation SWF compiler known as
Falcon.  Both are contained in the release package and are used by the
FlexJS package to compile SWFs or cross-compile to HTML/JS/CSS.

This is the sixth release of FlexJS and FalconJX.  It is ‘beta'
quality.  In this release, all of the compiler JARs and framework SWCs are
also available as Maven artifacts making FlexJS the only version of any
Flex
SDK to support Maven.  Maven can even be used to build the sources and
examples.  See the various pom.xml files included in the artifacts.

New capabilities in this release include:

- A new "Express" component set, which is designed for rapid application
development. It includes more beads by default than the "Basic" component
set to help you get started building FlexJS applications faster.
- The new "Material Design Lite" component set brings Google's Material
Design system to FlexJS.
- More complete Reflection implementation with access to static members,
kept metadata and method parameters
- Added cross-platform registerClassAlias/getAliasByClass/getClassByAlias
implementations (reflection package)
- Added support for interpreting XML literals as JSX by adding [JSX]
metadata to a function.
- The -source-map compiler argument now also generates source maps for
scripts in MXML files.



The purpose of this release is to gather feedback about the
features and implementation strategies, and recruit new contributors as we
grow these code bases into an SDK and tool chain that delivers the highest
productivity developing applications that can run in the most places.
These releases may not handle production needs.  Expect lots of bugs and
missing features.  Please file bugs at:

https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX/

For questions about how to use FlexJS and FalconJX, send email to
us...@flex.apache.org.  Please try to prefix the subject with [FlexJS] or
[FalconJX] so it is clear the questions refer to this release and not the
Flex SDK and MXMLC compiler.

For questions and feedback on the development of the source code in these
release, send email to dev@flex.apache.org.  Again, please prefix the
subject with [FlexJS] or [FalconJX].

Apache FlexJS and Apache Flex FalconJX are available in source and binary
form from the following download page:
http://flex.apache.org/download-flexjs.html

When downloading from a mirror site, please remember to verify the
downloads using signatures or MD5 hashes.

A simple way to try these releases is to use the
InstallApacheFlex 3.1 or 3.2 application which is available at the
following url:
http://flex.apache.org/installer.html

Choose Apache FlexJS 0.8.0 and it will create an Adobe Flash
Builder-compatible SDK that uses the Falcon and FalconJX compilers to
generate SWFs and HTML/JS/CSS output.  You can also use FDT as your IDE
for developing FlexJS applications.  Some folks have been successful
using IntelliJ, FlashDevelop as well.  Moonshine is also working on
FlexJS support.

Apache FlexJS 0.8.0 is also available as a npm package. On a system with
npm installed, users can easily install FlexJS with the command: "npm
install flexjs -g".

See the README or the FlexJS wiki for more information.  The FlexJS
section of the wiki is at the following

url:
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FLEX/FlexJS

For more information on Apache Flex, visit the project home page:
http://flex.apache.org 

Please try FlexJS and become involved in shaping the future of Flex.

The Apache Flex Community

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Flex FalconJX 0.8.0 RC2

[OmPrakash Muppirala]

Gah, I give up.  The Adobe AIR SDK download kept failing several times :-(

Thanks,
Om

On Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 11:27 AM, Alex Harui 
wrote:

> Vote passed with 4 +1 votes.
>
> On 6/20/17, 10:55 PM, "piotrz"  wrote:
>
> >Voting again, cause I did mistake and examined last nightly builds not
> >RC2:
> >
> >+1 (Binding)
> >Package
> >https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> https%3A%2F%2Fdist.apac
> >he.org%2Frepos%2Fdist%2Fdev%2Fflex%2Ffalcon%2F0.8.0%2Frc2%
> 2Fapache-flex-fa
> >lconjx-0.8.0-src.zip=02%7C01%7C%7Cc26c632ed907440402f708d4b86c
> 726b%7C
> >fa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636336223296733543=
> 2Lvcbh
> >nO6d55b8awQqAlcEC0wQ8htJZPXvq3X6hZCyE%3D=0
> >Java 1.8
> >OS: Windows 10 amd64 10.0
> >Source kit signatures match: y
> >Source kit builds: y
> >README is ok: y
> >README_JX is ok: y
> >RELEASE_NOTES is ok: y
> >RELEASE_NOTES_JX is ok: y
> >NOTICE is ok: y
> >LICENSE is ok: y
> >No unapproved licenses or archives in source package: y
> >No unapproved binaries in source package: y
> >
> >Package
> >https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> https%3A%2F%2Fdist.apac
> >he.org%2Frepos%2Fdist%2Fdev%2Fflex%2Ffalcon%2F0.8.0%2Frc2%
> 2Fbinaries%2Fapa
> >che-flex-falconjx-0.8.0-bin.zip=02%7C01%7C%
> 7Cc26c632ed907440402f708d4
> >b86c726b%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%
> 7C636336223296733543
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> >Binary kit signatures match: y
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> >LICENSE is ok: y
> >No unapproved licenses or files in jars: y
> >No unapproved licenses or archives in binary package: y
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> >
> >
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Re: [DISCUSS] Discuss Release Apache FlexJS 0.8.0 RC2

[OmPrakash Muppirala]

I am trying to test the release artifacts, but there is no mention of maven
build in the README.  Are there instructions somewhere?

Thanks,
Om

On Jun 23, 2017 12:29 AM, "Alex Harui"  wrote:

> I wrote this up recently [1].  It would be great if you can give it a try.
>  Let me know if you have questions.
>
> [1]
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FLEX/
> ApacheFlexBuild+CI+Server+
> Maintenance
>
> -Alex
>
> On 6/22/17, 11:39 AM, "piotrz"  wrote:
>
> >Alex,
> >
> >How can I restart this server ? This app slave.jar cannot connect with the
> >server.
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Piotr
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [DISCUSS] Discuss Release Apache FlexJS 0.8.0 RC1

[OmPrakash Muppirala]

Please note that I will be traveling for the next few days.  In any case I
will be waiting for the artifacts to be propagated through the mirrors
before pushing a FlexJS npm release.

Hopefully the timelines will coincide.  Worst case, there will be a bit of
a lag for the npm release.

Thanks,
Om

On Jun 9, 2017 3:01 PM, "Alex Harui"  wrote:

> This is the discussion thread.
>
> Thanks,
> Alex Harui
>
>

Re: [FlexJS] Removing PasswordInputBead has no effect

[OmPrakash Muppirala]

On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 3:41 PM, Justin Mclean 
wrote:

> HI,
>
> >  "It can't be done in a subclass with
> >   an override of the strand setter?
>
> Probably not without altering the original bead which may also be not PAYG.
>

That wont be breaking PAYG.  The basic idea is to avoid loading/running
unnecessary code during runtime.  Altering a class support subclassing
should be fine.

We are in what some would call an 'analysis paralysis' state.  Looks like
there is consensus on the subclassing route.  Let's go with that and solve
subsequent problems as they arise.

Thanks,
Om


>
> Thanks,
> Justin
>

Re: [FlexJS] Removing PasswordInputBead has no effect

[OmPrakash Muppirala]

It seems subclass is the way to go here.  Anyone disagree with that?

Thanks,
Om

On Jun 7, 2017 1:57 AM, "Justin Mclean"  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I'm still awaiting answers from Alex and further discussion on what PAYG
> is and isn’t and will resolve in accordance to that.
>
> Thanks,
> Justin

Re: [FlexJS] Removing PasswordInputBead has no effect

[OmPrakash Muppirala]

Justin,

Do you now have sufficient info on the PAYG paradigm to resolve this issue?

When you re-read Alex and Harbs' suggestions now, does it make sense?

I suggest we fix this issue and move on, please.

Thanks,
Om


On Jun 6, 2017 5:22 PM, "Justin Mclean"  wrote:

Hi,

> Actually I will have definitely looked through this early on, but I'd
have to say it is quite 'light' on what PAYG actually means beyond the
general sense that I had.

I’d go further as say the definition as it is stated there seem to be
perhaps too wide?

> But I can see that the newly created 'DRY' discussion thread is actually
creating the type of content that I think I would have found really helpful
in terms of linking a guiding concept to one of its key implementation
areas.

+1 to that

> If there's that level of clarity and, ultimately, agreement in terms of
definitions and approaches, I expect there will be far less need for
threads like this one.

Al +1 to that. We can also point new people to it rather than trying to
explain the concept(s) again saving everyone time.

Thanks,
Justin

Re: [2/2] git commit: [flex-asjs] [refs/heads/release0.8.0] - fix event types for valuechange. Otherwise Binding would break. Events are global and should be compatible for any given event type

[OmPrakash Muppirala]

On Jun 6, 2017 10:42 PM, "Alex Harui"  wrote:

On 6/6/17, 10:27 PM, "Justin Mclean"  wrote:

>Hi,
>
>> I agree that there could be a even smaller bead that doesn't track
>>changes
>> as you move the thumb.  Something to do in the next release, IMO.
>
>Could be or must be? Again just trying to understand why PAYG wasn’t
>followed in this case.

I haven't really thought about it.  I'm still just trying to get a release
out.  User expectations are a factor.  Most folks won't need to remove the
PasswordInputBead.  Do most folks want to track the thumb?
>
>Was this just an accidental design omission that no body picked up on it
>OR is it sometimes OK to have optional feature code in beads?

Probably one of just many bugs we haven't found or fixed yet.  It is
unfortunate we spend all of this energy trying to convince you of the
value of PAYG instead of finding and fixing these bugs.


Alex,

I don't think Justin's questions are about the value of PAYG; they rather
indicate a genuine attempt at understanding the concept.

I suggest you reset your understanding of his intent and re-read his
emails.  Maybe you will see his line of questioning in a more positive
light.

Thanks,
Om






-Alex

Re: Beads and DRY (was Re: [FlexJS] Removing PasswordInputBead has no effect)

[OmPrakash Muppirala]

On Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 5:29 PM, Justin Mclean 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> > In FlexJS we have a preference towards utility classes.
>
> So say we have existing bead A and we want to add some functionality to
> to. In order to use utility classes we would need to modify bead A and pull
> out some of the code into a utility class so bead B can use it.
>
> This will increase the size/runtime cost to existing people using bead A.
> Is this accectable?
>

Yes, there will be a size cost, which is why the inheritance approach is
better than Utils approach for Beads.

*Utils approach:*

Bead A supports feature X
Bead B needs to support feature X and Y

Create a Util class called FeatureXAndY

Bead A calls util:FeatureXAndY (Now Bead A loads code for unnecessary
feature Y)
Bead B calls util:FeatureXAndY

*Inheritance approach:*

Bead A supports feature X
Bead B needs to support feature X and Y

Bead A has code for feature X alone (no extra code)
Bead B extends Bead A and adds code for feature Y (no extra code)
Moreover, no extra util class to maintain.

Re: Beads and DRY (was Re: [FlexJS] Removing PasswordInputBead has no effect)

[OmPrakash Muppirala]

In an attempt to simplify the pattern, can we say:

Strands = components
Beads = functionalities

All components dont need all functionalities.  We add functionalities to
components on a Pay As You Go (PAYG) basis.

This is achieved through composition (the classical OOP paradigm)

That is, a Strand is composed of several Beads.  Beads are added to Strands
only when necessary.

That leaves us with how we build the Beads themselves.  I suggest we
encourage  inheritance for Beads so as to follow the Dont Repeat Yourself
(DRY) principle.

Thanks,
Om


On Jun 6, 2017 8:03 AM, "Alex Harui"  wrote:

I agree we have to be concerned about DRY.  Research into optimal patterns
for creating common flavors of beads would be very helpful.  The compiler
might be able to help as well.

-Alex

On 6/6/17, 6:52 AM, "Josh Tynjala"  wrote:

>The way that beads work means that we will frequently "violate" DRY, as I
>understand it. FlexJS is designed to have multiple beads that implement
>the
>same thing in different ways. The simplest bead will be designed to be
>never removed and it probably won't include any properties to configure
>its
>behavior. A more complex bead might include some of the same code from the
>simplest bead, but it will also be designed to be removed, but still not
>configured. An even more complex bead will include all three (the core
>feature, removal, and properties to configure). There might even be a
>fourth one that can't be removed, but has properties to configure. Going
>even further, there might even be variations with different subsets of
>properties that can be configured.
>
>Ideally, we'd find a way to reuse some of the code from the simpler beads.
>It might be possible to subclass them, for instance. However, unless the
>simplest beads are designed for it, reusing their code may not be
>possible.
>In fact, designing them in a way that they can be extended may violate
>PAYG
>instead because it may require adding code that isn't always needed. In
>that case, there's no option except to repeat some code.
>
>- Josh
>
>On Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 12:02 AM, Justin Mclean 
>wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> >  Unless something is functionality that you would (virtually) always
>> need, it’s a separate bead.
>>
>> So for CCS we have border, does everyone need borders? Why do we only a
>> sub set of the font attributes included? Some people are not going to
>>use
>> all of them or in fact any of them and some other may need other
>>properties
>> so why are they not seperate?  Not that I think these should be removed
>> into seperate parts. The issue is just about every feature you can name
>>is
>> going to optional to someone. So I think we near a clearer definition of
>> what PAYG is.
>>
>> Another example why for instance was flexGrow and flexShrink added in to
>> the CSS code? Shouldn't they be implemented in line with the PAYG
>>principal
>> in another class? And there are numerous other examples of this. I feel
>> that PAYG is not being applied consistently and seems selective on who
>>is
>> making the contribution.
>>
>> > PAYG is already well understood
>>
>> IMO it has not been clearly defined. Alex has described in various ways
>>as
>> it size / runtime cost only to move to goal posts. I for one would like
>>a
>> clearer definition of it.
>>
>> > All functionality should be implemented as beads when practical. Beads
>> should be as modular as possible with the smallest possible functional
>>set.
>>
>> What about the cost of violating DRY or the single responsibility
>> principal which two beads do similar things? Is it really OK to add
>> technical debt / penalise users of a new feature when it would be less
>>cost
>> modifying/improving an existing bead at a much smaller cost? How do you
>> discourage copy paste coding?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Justin

Re: [LAST CALL] Release FlexJS/FalconJX 0.8.0

[OmPrakash Muppirala]

Josh is right.  There is no way to pass command-line args to an install
command.
What is there right now is the best way to pass args during an npm install.

Thanks,
Om

On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 9:35 AM, OmPrakash Muppirala <bigosma...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I should have something in the next 12 hours or so.
>
> Thanks,
> Om
>
>
> On May 31, 2017 8:31 AM, "Alex Harui" <aha...@adobe.com.invalid> wrote:
>
> Hi Om,
>
> Command-line sounds great if you can do it.  Let us know when you are done
> with the NPM stuff so we can move forward with the release.
>
> Thanks,
> -Alex
>
> On 5/30/17, 7:15 PM, "Josh Tynjala" <joshtynj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >I could not find a way to parse extra command line arguments with an npm
> >install command. If you could figure that out, that would be better!
> >
> >- Josh
> >
> >On May 30, 2017 6:56 PM, "OmPrakash Muppirala" <bigosma...@gmail.com>
> >wrote:
> >
> >Awesome! I had this as a TODO.  I can at least help with testing this out
> >now.
> >
> >I can also push the bits to the npm registry when we go live with the
> >release.
> >
> >Also, what if we pass them as command line args? Do you mind if I make
> >this
> >change?
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Om
> >
> >
> >On May 30, 2017 11:47 AM, "Josh Tynjala" <joshtynj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >I got the npm version of FlexJS 0.8.0 working with a couple of minor
> >fixes.
> >It looks good to go for the release!
> >
> >I also simplified how to test the npm version locally from the
> >flex-utilities repo to make it download nightly builds (previously, you
> >needed to manually change some JS code):
> >
> >cd flex-utilities
> >npm config set flexjs:flexjs_custom_url
> >https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%
> 2F%2Fapacheflex
> >build.cloudapp.net%3A8080%2Fjob%2Fflex-asjs_release_branch%
> 2F=02%7C01
> >%7C%7C8ea9163b8a4f40e1e30c08d4a7cafb9b%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794
> aed2c178decee1%
> >7C0%7C0%7C636317937627432987=ezcbLDOwjYz3oG3dO8RDtA71
> Xv%2FfKUgG77enA
> >Use3JY%3D=0
> >lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/out/apache-flex-flexjs-0.8.0-bin.zip
> >npm config set flexjs:falcon_custom_url
> >https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%
> 2F%2Fapacheflex
> >build.cloudapp.net%3A8080%2Fjob%2Fflex-falcon%2520release%
> 2520branch%2F
> >ta=02%7C01%7C%7C8ea9163b8a4f40e1e30c08d4a7cafb9b%
> 7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c
> >178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636317937627432987=jiM4u89B6Ea%
> 2F4cRLi0VwSMc
> >%2FspYvxcIBFBtsjBw%3D=0
> >lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/out/apache-flex-falconjx-0.8.0-bin.zip
> >npm install -g ./npm-flexjs/
> >
> >Those are the URLs to the latest builds from the release branches. It
> >could
> >be used with regular nightly builds from the develop branch and release
> >candidate builds too.
> >
> >When you're done, you should delete the configuration keys:
> >
> >npm config delete flexjs:flexjs_custom_url
> >npm config delete flexjs:falcon_custom_url
> >
> >- Josh
> >
> >On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 4:51 PM, Josh Tynjala <joshtynj...@gmail.com>
> >wrote:
> >
> >> I can test installing FlexJS 0.8.0 with NPM early next week, if no one
> >> else finds the time. I don't remember the exact process of testing
> >>locally
> >> with a nightly build of FlexJS, but I think I figured it out pretty
> >>easily
> >> when I made some tweaks a while back.
> >>
> >> - Josh
> >>
> >> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 2:43 PM, Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com.invalid>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I'm still working on the TLF fix.  I saw Josh's commit about Node
> >support.
> >>> Does someone have time to test out our Node/NPM stuff?  It might need
> >some
> >>> tuning after this dual-compile feature.
> >>>
> >>> -Alex
> >>>
> >>> On 5/26/17, 8:29 AM, "Alex Harui" <aha...@adobe.com.INVALID> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >On 5/26/17, 8:07 AM, "piotrz" <piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> >>Alex,
> >>> >>
> >>> >>That is correct I have FALCON_HOME set up. I will try as fast as I
> >>>can
> >>> >>run
> >>> >>it once again, but there is possibility that will be on Sunday.
> >>> >>
> >>> >>Any chance to try by you also maven build with command line above ?
> >>>I'm
> >>> >>wondering if you also experience such issue as Santanu. Personally I
> >>> >>didn't
> >>> >>have it yesterday.
> >>> >
> >>> >I will try it when I get through this fix for the TLF branch.  For
> >>>me, I
> >>> >believe I've always had to separately use the Mavenizer to get
> >>>com.adobe
> >>> >artifacts.  I'm not sure if that's expected or not.  You might want to
> >>> >check the archives to see if there is any mention of how to get
> >com.adobe
> >>> >artifacts.  I think there maybe issues with not having recent versions
> >of
> >>> >Maven and/or whether to use settings-template.xml.
> >>> >
> >>> >I don't want to take the time to help you look into this right now.
> >>> >
> >>> >Thanks,
> >>> >-Alex
> >>> >
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
>
>
>

Re: [LAST CALL] Release FlexJS/FalconJX 0.8.0

[OmPrakash Muppirala]

I should have something in the next 12 hours or so.

Thanks,
Om


On May 31, 2017 8:31 AM, "Alex Harui" <aha...@adobe.com.invalid> wrote:

Hi Om,

Command-line sounds great if you can do it.  Let us know when you are done
with the NPM stuff so we can move forward with the release.

Thanks,
-Alex

On 5/30/17, 7:15 PM, "Josh Tynjala" <joshtynj...@gmail.com> wrote:

>I could not find a way to parse extra command line arguments with an npm
>install command. If you could figure that out, that would be better!
>
>- Josh
>
>On May 30, 2017 6:56 PM, "OmPrakash Muppirala" <bigosma...@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>Awesome! I had this as a TODO.  I can at least help with testing this out
>now.
>
>I can also push the bits to the npm registry when we go live with the
>release.
>
>Also, what if we pass them as command line args? Do you mind if I make
>this
>change?
>
>Thanks,
>Om
>
>
>On May 30, 2017 11:47 AM, "Josh Tynjala" <joshtynj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>I got the npm version of FlexJS 0.8.0 working with a couple of minor
>fixes.
>It looks good to go for the release!
>
>I also simplified how to test the npm version locally from the
>flex-utilities repo to make it download nightly builds (previously, you
>needed to manually change some JS code):
>
>cd flex-utilities
>npm config set flexjs:flexjs_custom_url
>https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fapacheflex
>build.cloudapp.net%3A8080%2Fjob%2Fflex-asjs_release_branch%2F=02%7C01
>%7C%7C8ea9163b8a4f40e1e30c08d4a7cafb9b%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%
>7C0%7C0%7C636317937627432987=ezcbLDOwjYz3oG3dO8RDtA71Xv%2FfKUgG77enA
>Use3JY%3D=0
>lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/out/apache-flex-flexjs-0.8.0-bin.zip
>npm config set flexjs:falcon_custom_url
>https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fapacheflex
>build.cloudapp.net%3A8080%2Fjob%2Fflex-falcon%2520release%2520branch%2F
>ta=02%7C01%7C%7C8ea9163b8a4f40e1e30c08d4a7cafb9b%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c
>178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636317937627432987=jiM4u89B6Ea%2F4cRLi0VwSMc
>%2FspYvxcIBFBtsjBw%3D=0
>lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/out/apache-flex-falconjx-0.8.0-bin.zip
>npm install -g ./npm-flexjs/
>
>Those are the URLs to the latest builds from the release branches. It
>could
>be used with regular nightly builds from the develop branch and release
>candidate builds too.
>
>When you're done, you should delete the configuration keys:
>
>npm config delete flexjs:flexjs_custom_url
>npm config delete flexjs:falcon_custom_url
>
>- Josh
>
>On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 4:51 PM, Josh Tynjala <joshtynj...@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>> I can test installing FlexJS 0.8.0 with NPM early next week, if no one
>> else finds the time. I don't remember the exact process of testing
>>locally
>> with a nightly build of FlexJS, but I think I figured it out pretty
>>easily
>> when I made some tweaks a while back.
>>
>> - Josh
>>
>> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 2:43 PM, Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm still working on the TLF fix.  I saw Josh's commit about Node
>support.
>>> Does someone have time to test out our Node/NPM stuff?  It might need
>some
>>> tuning after this dual-compile feature.
>>>
>>> -Alex
>>>
>>> On 5/26/17, 8:29 AM, "Alex Harui" <aha...@adobe.com.INVALID> wrote:
>>>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >On 5/26/17, 8:07 AM, "piotrz" <piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >>Alex,
>>> >>
>>> >>That is correct I have FALCON_HOME set up. I will try as fast as I
>>>can
>>> >>run
>>> >>it once again, but there is possibility that will be on Sunday.
>>> >>
>>> >>Any chance to try by you also maven build with command line above ?
>>>I'm
>>> >>wondering if you also experience such issue as Santanu. Personally I
>>> >>didn't
>>> >>have it yesterday.
>>> >
>>> >I will try it when I get through this fix for the TLF branch.  For
>>>me, I
>>> >believe I've always had to separately use the Mavenizer to get
>>>com.adobe
>>> >artifacts.  I'm not sure if that's expected or not.  You might want to
>>> >check the archives to see if there is any mention of how to get
>com.adobe
>>> >artifacts.  I think there maybe issues with not having recent versions
>of
>>> >Maven and/or whether to use settings-template.xml.
>>> >
>>> >I don't want to take the time to help you look into this right now.
>>> >
>>> >Thanks,
>>> >-Alex
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>

Re: [LAST CALL] Release FlexJS/FalconJX 0.8.0

[OmPrakash Muppirala]

Awesome! I had this as a TODO.  I can at least help with testing this out
now.

I can also push the bits to the npm registry when we go live with the
release.

Also, what if we pass them as command line args? Do you mind if I make this
change?

Thanks,
Om


On May 30, 2017 11:47 AM, "Josh Tynjala"  wrote:

I got the npm version of FlexJS 0.8.0 working with a couple of minor fixes.
It looks good to go for the release!

I also simplified how to test the npm version locally from the
flex-utilities repo to make it download nightly builds (previously, you
needed to manually change some JS code):

cd flex-utilities
npm config set flexjs:flexjs_custom_url
http://apacheflexbuild.cloudapp.net:8080/job/flex-asjs_release_branch/
lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/out/apache-flex-flexjs-0.8.0-bin.zip
npm config set flexjs:falcon_custom_url
http://apacheflexbuild.cloudapp.net:8080/job/flex-falcon%20release%20branch/
lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/out/apache-flex-falconjx-0.8.0-bin.zip
npm install -g ./npm-flexjs/

Those are the URLs to the latest builds from the release branches. It could
be used with regular nightly builds from the develop branch and release
candidate builds too.

When you're done, you should delete the configuration keys:

npm config delete flexjs:flexjs_custom_url
npm config delete flexjs:falcon_custom_url

- Josh

On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 4:51 PM, Josh Tynjala  wrote:

> I can test installing FlexJS 0.8.0 with NPM early next week, if no one
> else finds the time. I don't remember the exact process of testing locally
> with a nightly build of FlexJS, but I think I figured it out pretty easily
> when I made some tweaks a while back.
>
> - Josh
>
> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 2:43 PM, Alex Harui 
> wrote:
>
>> I'm still working on the TLF fix.  I saw Josh's commit about Node
support.
>> Does someone have time to test out our Node/NPM stuff?  It might need
some
>> tuning after this dual-compile feature.
>>
>> -Alex
>>
>> On 5/26/17, 8:29 AM, "Alex Harui"  wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >On 5/26/17, 8:07 AM, "piotrz"  wrote:
>> >
>> >>Alex,
>> >>
>> >>That is correct I have FALCON_HOME set up. I will try as fast as I can
>> >>run
>> >>it once again, but there is possibility that will be on Sunday.
>> >>
>> >>Any chance to try by you also maven build with command line above ? I'm
>> >>wondering if you also experience such issue as Santanu. Personally I
>> >>didn't
>> >>have it yesterday.
>> >
>> >I will try it when I get through this fix for the TLF branch.  For me, I
>> >believe I've always had to separately use the Mavenizer to get com.adobe
>> >artifacts.  I'm not sure if that's expected or not.  You might want to
>> >check the archives to see if there is any mention of how to get
com.adobe
>> >artifacts.  I think there maybe issues with not having recent versions
of
>> >Maven and/or whether to use settings-template.xml.
>> >
>> >I don't want to take the time to help you look into this right now.
>> >
>> >Thanks,
>> >-Alex
>> >
>>
>>
>

Re: [LAST CALL] Release FlexJS/FalconJX 0.8.0

[OmPrakash Muppirala]

Huh?  The JDK download site says that 1.8.0_131 is the latest version:
http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/jdk8-downloads-2133151.html

I will try the font project alone in verbose mode and report here.

Thanks,
Om

On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 5:00 PM, Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com> wrote:

> Theoretically, the problem goes away after 1.8.0_131.  Maybe run with more
> verbose output to see if you in fact hitting the same problem.
>
> -Alex
>
> On 5/2/17, 2:05 PM, "omup...@gmail.com on behalf of OmPrakash Muppirala"
> <omup...@gmail.com on behalf of bigosma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 10:09 AM, Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com> wrote:
> >
> >> "Non-us" may be a typo.  I think it happens everywhere.
> >>
> >> If you can upgrade to latest Java 8, the problem should go away.
> >> Otherwise see:
> >>
> >>
> >>https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> http%3A%2F%2Fwww.oracl
> >>e.com%2Ftechnetwork%2Fjava%2Fjavase%2F=02%7C01%7C%
> 7C0ee591da6bb249fc
> >>286e08d4919f08ec%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178de
> cee1%7C0%7C0%7C63629355961
> >>5081234=b1obHrC1nmNR4p6WuW2nRmi3nPCnZ4
> eYVl%2FChO87Oz8%3D=0
> >> downloads/jce8-download-21331
> >> 66.html
> >>
> >>
> >> There is a similar link for Java 7.
> >>
> >
> >I am pretty sure I have the latest version of Java.
> >
> >*java version "1.8.0_131"*
> >*Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.8.0_131-b11)*
> >*Java HotSpot(TM) 64-Bit Server VM (build 25.131-b11, mixed mode)*
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> AIUI, consumers of the binaries don't hit this issue, only those
> >>building
> >> from source.
> >>
> >
> >Yes, the binaries are never a problem.  I am talking about compiling from
> >source.  My point is that - if the user cannot cleanly compile from the
> >sources, we should not be shipping with that module.
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Om
> >
> >
> >>
> >> -Alex
> >>
> >> On 5/2/17, 9:58 AM, "omup...@gmail.com on behalf of OmPrakash
> Muppirala"
> >> <omup...@gmail.com on behalf of bigosma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On May 2, 2017 9:43 AM, "Christofer Dutz" <christofer.d...@c-ware.de>
> >> >wrote:
> >> >
> >> >Hi Om,
> >> >
> >> >This is due to the annoying sourceforge ssl update that prevents
> >> >downloading files from sourceforge with non-us JVMs. You have to
> >>manually
> >> >update the encryption module of your JVM to download those files. I
> >>just
> >> >lived with commenting out the fonts module from my build as it was only
> >> >one
> >> >example that actually needed that and we can download that from the
> >>Apache
> >> >SNAPSHOTS repo.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Chris, thanks for the response.
> >> >
> >> >What is non-us JVM?
> >> >
> >> >If this is not essential, perhaps we can ship with these modules
> >>disabled?
> >> >And add instructions for those who want to enable it?
> >> >
> >> >Thanks,
> >> >Om
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Chris
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Am 01.05.17, 21:18 schrieb "omup...@gmail.com im Auftrag von OmPrakash
> >> >Muppirala" <omup...@gmail.com im Auftrag von bigosma...@gmail.com>:
> >> >
> >> >flex-falcon and flex-typedefs built fine for me.
> >> >
> >> >The flex-asjs build is broken for me on the Fonts project.
> >> >
> >> >Here is the relevant log:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> >> https%3A%2F%2Fpaste.apa
> >> >che.org%2FkATQ=02%7C01%7C%7C3f941efbc62043ed91e208d4917c
> >> 8a78%7Cfa7b1b
> >> >5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636293411471086252&
> >> sdata=QTsZvivy0jT1
> >> >FdWjAkXpKLskL%2BfzKNL5UYsg%2FwEnhb0%3D=0
> >> >
> >> >Can someone please take a look?
> >> >
> >> >Thanks,
> >> >Om
> >> >
> >> >On Mon, May 1, 2017 at 11:50 AM, OmPrakash Muppirala <
> >> >bigosma...@gmail.com>
> >> >wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> For folks who want to help out but are not sure how

Re: [LAST CALL] Release FlexJS/FalconJX 0.8.0

[OmPrakash Muppirala]

On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 10:09 AM, Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com> wrote:

> "Non-us" may be a typo.  I think it happens everywhere.
>
> If you can upgrade to latest Java 8, the problem should go away.
> Otherwise see:
>
> http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/
> downloads/jce8-download-21331
> 66.html
>
>
> There is a similar link for Java 7.
>

I am pretty sure I have the latest version of Java.

*java version "1.8.0_131"*
*Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.8.0_131-b11)*
*Java HotSpot(TM) 64-Bit Server VM (build 25.131-b11, mixed mode)*




> AIUI, consumers of the binaries don't hit this issue, only those building
> from source.
>

Yes, the binaries are never a problem.  I am talking about compiling from
source.  My point is that - if the user cannot cleanly compile from the
sources, we should not be shipping with that module.

Thanks,
Om


>
> -Alex
>
> On 5/2/17, 9:58 AM, "omup...@gmail.com on behalf of OmPrakash Muppirala"
> <omup...@gmail.com on behalf of bigosma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On May 2, 2017 9:43 AM, "Christofer Dutz" <christofer.d...@c-ware.de>
> >wrote:
> >
> >Hi Om,
> >
> >This is due to the annoying sourceforge ssl update that prevents
> >downloading files from sourceforge with non-us JVMs. You have to manually
> >update the encryption module of your JVM to download those files. I just
> >lived with commenting out the fonts module from my build as it was only
> >one
> >example that actually needed that and we can download that from the Apache
> >SNAPSHOTS repo.
> >
> >
> >Chris, thanks for the response.
> >
> >What is non-us JVM?
> >
> >If this is not essential, perhaps we can ship with these modules disabled?
> >And add instructions for those who want to enable it?
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Om
> >
> >
> >Chris
> >
> >
> >Am 01.05.17, 21:18 schrieb "omup...@gmail.com im Auftrag von OmPrakash
> >Muppirala" <omup...@gmail.com im Auftrag von bigosma...@gmail.com>:
> >
> >flex-falcon and flex-typedefs built fine for me.
> >
> >The flex-asjs build is broken for me on the Fonts project.
> >
> >Here is the relevant log:
> >
> >
> >https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> https%3A%2F%2Fpaste.apa
> >che.org%2FkATQ=02%7C01%7C%7C3f941efbc62043ed91e208d4917c
> 8a78%7Cfa7b1b
> >5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636293411471086252&
> sdata=QTsZvivy0jT1
> >FdWjAkXpKLskL%2BfzKNL5UYsg%2FwEnhb0%3D=0
> >
> >Can someone please take a look?
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Om
> >
> >On Mon, May 1, 2017 at 11:50 AM, OmPrakash Muppirala <
> >bigosma...@gmail.com>
> >wrote:
> >
> >> For folks who want to help out but are not sure how to, please
> >follow
> >the
> >> step by step instructions here on how to build the FlexJS SDK from
> >the
> >> sources:
> >>
> >>
> >https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> https%3A%2F%2Fcwiki.apa
> >che.org%2Fconfluence%2Fdisplay%2FFLEX%2F=02%
> 7C01%7C%7C3f941efbc62043e
> >d91e208d4917c8a78%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178de
> cee1%7C0%7C0%7C63629341147
> >1086252=x9xIhSCxIwEx%2FU4qSU2E0gLTIElb3nS0y%
> 2BJfdAtuTBM%3D=
> >0
> >> Building+FlexJS+with+Maven
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Om
> >>
> >> On Mon, May 1, 2017 at 10:19 AM, Greg Dove <greg.d...@gmail.com>
> >wrote:
> >>
> >>> Thanks Alex,
> >>>
> >>> This helps
> >>> JS
> >>> Still some stuff left to figure out, but that is progress. Pretty
> >sure
> >>> that
> >>> falls into "I am hoping there is something simple that I didn't
> >see"
> >-
> >>> thanks again.
> >>>
> >>> btw I think :
> >>> true
> >>>
> >>> is presumably redundant in any pom.xml now, including that example.
> >My
> >>> reason for thinking that is that it is coming up 'red', with
> >tooltip
> >>> "Element outputJavaScript is not allowed here", for a local project
> >via
> >>> code highlighting in Intellij (which was really helpful initially
> >to
> >>> understand this change).
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 4:42 AM, Alex Ha

Re: [LAST CALL] Release FlexJS/FalconJX 0.8.0

[OmPrakash Muppirala]

On May 2, 2017 9:43 AM, "Christofer Dutz" <christofer.d...@c-ware.de> wrote:

Hi Om,

This is due to the annoying sourceforge ssl update that prevents
downloading files from sourceforge with non-us JVMs. You have to manually
update the encryption module of your JVM to download those files. I just
lived with commenting out the fonts module from my build as it was only one
example that actually needed that and we can download that from the Apache
SNAPSHOTS repo.


Chris, thanks for the response.

What is non-us JVM?

If this is not essential, perhaps we can ship with these modules disabled?
And add instructions for those who want to enable it?

Thanks,
Om


Chris


Am 01.05.17, 21:18 schrieb "omup...@gmail.com im Auftrag von OmPrakash
Muppirala" <omup...@gmail.com im Auftrag von bigosma...@gmail.com>:

flex-falcon and flex-typedefs built fine for me.

The flex-asjs build is broken for me on the Fonts project.

Here is the relevant log:

https://paste.apache.org/kATQ

Can someone please take a look?

Thanks,
Om

On Mon, May 1, 2017 at 11:50 AM, OmPrakash Muppirala <
bigosma...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> For folks who want to help out but are not sure how to, please follow
the
> step by step instructions here on how to build the FlexJS SDK from the
> sources:
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FLEX/
> Building+FlexJS+with+Maven
>
> Thanks,
> Om
>
> On Mon, May 1, 2017 at 10:19 AM, Greg Dove <greg.d...@gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>> Thanks Alex,
>>
>> This helps
>> JS
>> Still some stuff left to figure out, but that is progress. Pretty
sure
>> that
>> falls into "I am hoping there is something simple that I didn't see"
-
>> thanks again.
>>
>> btw I think :
>> true
>>
>> is presumably redundant in any pom.xml now, including that example.
My
>> reason for thinking that is that it is coming up 'red', with tooltip
>> "Element outputJavaScript is not allowed here", for a local project
via
>> code highlighting in Intellij (which was really helpful initially to
>> understand this change).
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 4:42 AM, Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com> wrote:
>>
>> > I believe examples/native/ButtonExample only produces JS output.
>> >
>> > -Alex
>> >
>> > On 5/1/17, 9:11 AM, "Greg Dove" <greg.d...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > >Chris, or perhaps Alex:
>> > >With the latest changes for maven, I am trying to figure out how
to get
>> > >the
>> > >same result with maven as
>> > >true
>> > >
>> > >which previously permitted js-only compilation so that
COMPILE::JS was
>> not
>> > >needed in js-only target project, and it was possible to use, for
>> example,
>> > >var style:CSSStyleDeclaration,
>> > >window['Intl'] etc
>> > >outside of COMPILE::JS
>> > >
>> > >Is this still possible in some way after the change? I can see
options
>> for
>> > >maven like
>> > >skipAS etc, but have not figured out a combination that achieves
the
>> same.
>> > >
>> > >I am hoping there is something simple that I didn't see - I am
still
>> > >getting my head around using maven, (apart from finding it mostly
very
>> > >intuitive to 'read').
>> > >If not, I can always go through the code and wrap things in
>> COMPILE::JS,
>> > >was just hoping that I don't need to do that.
>> > >Thanks,
>> > >Greg
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 2:51 AM, Christofer Dutz
>> > ><christofer.d...@c-ware.de>
>> > >wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> But in general, “mvn clean compile” should have worked. I even
double
>> > >> checked with the debugger … if the other modules are part of the
>> build
>> > >>it
>> > >> would acutally resolve the artifacts from the target directories
>> > >>instead of
>> > >> from the maven local repo … I’ll continue investigating this.
>> > >>
>> > >> Chris
>> > >>
>> > >> Am 30.04.17, 23:42 schrieb "Justin Mclean" <

Re: [LAST CALL] Release FlexJS/FalconJX 0.8.0

[OmPrakash Muppirala]

flex-falcon and flex-typedefs built fine for me.

The flex-asjs build is broken for me on the Fonts project.

Here is the relevant log:

https://paste.apache.org/kATQ

Can someone please take a look?

Thanks,
Om

On Mon, May 1, 2017 at 11:50 AM, OmPrakash Muppirala <bigosma...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> For folks who want to help out but are not sure how to, please follow the
> step by step instructions here on how to build the FlexJS SDK from the
> sources:
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FLEX/
> Building+FlexJS+with+Maven
>
> Thanks,
> Om
>
> On Mon, May 1, 2017 at 10:19 AM, Greg Dove <greg.d...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Alex,
>>
>> This helps
>> JS
>> Still some stuff left to figure out, but that is progress. Pretty sure
>> that
>> falls into "I am hoping there is something simple that I didn't see" -
>> thanks again.
>>
>> btw I think :
>> true
>>
>> is presumably redundant in any pom.xml now, including that example. My
>> reason for thinking that is that it is coming up 'red', with tooltip
>> "Element outputJavaScript is not allowed here", for a local project via
>> code highlighting in Intellij (which was really helpful initially to
>> understand this change).
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 4:42 AM, Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com> wrote:
>>
>> > I believe examples/native/ButtonExample only produces JS output.
>> >
>> > -Alex
>> >
>> > On 5/1/17, 9:11 AM, "Greg Dove" <greg.d...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > >Chris, or perhaps Alex:
>> > >With the latest changes for maven, I am trying to figure out how to get
>> > >the
>> > >same result with maven as
>> > >true
>> > >
>> > >which previously permitted js-only compilation so that COMPILE::JS was
>> not
>> > >needed in js-only target project, and it was possible to use, for
>> example,
>> > >var style:CSSStyleDeclaration,
>> > >window['Intl'] etc
>> > >outside of COMPILE::JS
>> > >
>> > >Is this still possible in some way after the change? I can see options
>> for
>> > >maven like
>> > >skipAS etc, but have not figured out a combination that achieves the
>> same.
>> > >
>> > >I am hoping there is something simple that I didn't see - I am still
>> > >getting my head around using maven, (apart from finding it mostly very
>> > >intuitive to 'read').
>> > >If not, I can always go through the code and wrap things in
>> COMPILE::JS,
>> > >was just hoping that I don't need to do that.
>> > >Thanks,
>> > >Greg
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 2:51 AM, Christofer Dutz
>> > ><christofer.d...@c-ware.de>
>> > >wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> But in general, “mvn clean compile” should have worked. I even double
>> > >> checked with the debugger … if the other modules are part of the
>> build
>> > >>it
>> > >> would acutally resolve the artifacts from the target directories
>> > >>instead of
>> > >> from the maven local repo … I’ll continue investigating this.
>> > >>
>> > >> Chris
>> > >>
>> > >> Am 30.04.17, 23:42 schrieb "Justin Mclean" <jus...@classsoftware.com
>> >:
>> > >>
>> > >> Hi,
>> > >>
>> > >> > You are running “mvn clean compile” which compiles each module
>> and
>> > >> created the swcs in the target directories. Unfortunately, they just
>> > >>stay
>> > >> there as they are not copied to your maven local repository.
>> > >>
>> > >> Thanks Chris that would explain the error.
>> > >>
>> > >> > To do that, you need to run “mvn clean install”. I would give
>> > >>that a
>> > >> try.
>> > >>
>> > >> Looks like typedef is now broken as I’m getting this:
>> > >>
>> > >> [INFO] --- exec-maven-plugin:1.5.0:exec (patch-js) @
>> > >> flexjs-typedefs-js ---
>> > >> error: patch failed: js/target/downloads/svg.js:401
>> > >> error: js/target/downloads/svg.js: patch does not apply
>> > >> [ERROR] Command execution failed.
>> > >>
>> > >> I’m assume the patch file no longer matches what’s at [1]?
>> > >>
>> > >> Thanks,
>> > >> Justin
>> > >>
>> > >> 1.
>> > >>https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%
>> 3A%2F%2Fstorage
>> > .
>> > >>googleapis.com%2Fgoogle-code-archive-=02%7C01%7C%
>> > 7C6d802edc936741aa1
>> > >>c4e08d490acbcb6%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178de
>> > cee1%7C0%7C0%7C636292518959
>> > >>818809=XnKepN4BFugfoG%2BrYp3Kpsc%2F8ZGRT64IpOKGuJ0%
>> > 2Fk%2Fo%3D
>> > >>ved=0
>> > >> downloads/v2/code.google.com/closureidl/svg.js
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>

Re: [LAST CALL] Release FlexJS/FalconJX 0.8.0

[OmPrakash Muppirala]

For folks who want to help out but are not sure how to, please follow the
step by step instructions here on how to build the FlexJS SDK from the
sources:

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FLEX/Building+FlexJS+with+Maven

Thanks,
Om

On Mon, May 1, 2017 at 10:19 AM, Greg Dove  wrote:

> Thanks Alex,
>
> This helps
> JS
> Still some stuff left to figure out, but that is progress. Pretty sure that
> falls into "I am hoping there is something simple that I didn't see" -
> thanks again.
>
> btw I think :
> true
>
> is presumably redundant in any pom.xml now, including that example. My
> reason for thinking that is that it is coming up 'red', with tooltip
> "Element outputJavaScript is not allowed here", for a local project via
> code highlighting in Intellij (which was really helpful initially to
> understand this change).
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 4:42 AM, Alex Harui  wrote:
>
> > I believe examples/native/ButtonExample only produces JS output.
> >
> > -Alex
> >
> > On 5/1/17, 9:11 AM, "Greg Dove"  wrote:
> >
> > >Chris, or perhaps Alex:
> > >With the latest changes for maven, I am trying to figure out how to get
> > >the
> > >same result with maven as
> > >true
> > >
> > >which previously permitted js-only compilation so that COMPILE::JS was
> not
> > >needed in js-only target project, and it was possible to use, for
> example,
> > >var style:CSSStyleDeclaration,
> > >window['Intl'] etc
> > >outside of COMPILE::JS
> > >
> > >Is this still possible in some way after the change? I can see options
> for
> > >maven like
> > >skipAS etc, but have not figured out a combination that achieves the
> same.
> > >
> > >I am hoping there is something simple that I didn't see - I am still
> > >getting my head around using maven, (apart from finding it mostly very
> > >intuitive to 'read').
> > >If not, I can always go through the code and wrap things in COMPILE::JS,
> > >was just hoping that I don't need to do that.
> > >Thanks,
> > >Greg
> > >
> > >
> > >On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 2:51 AM, Christofer Dutz
> > >
> > >wrote:
> > >
> > >> But in general, “mvn clean compile” should have worked. I even double
> > >> checked with the debugger … if the other modules are part of the build
> > >>it
> > >> would acutally resolve the artifacts from the target directories
> > >>instead of
> > >> from the maven local repo … I’ll continue investigating this.
> > >>
> > >> Chris
> > >>
> > >> Am 30.04.17, 23:42 schrieb "Justin Mclean"  >:
> > >>
> > >> Hi,
> > >>
> > >> > You are running “mvn clean compile” which compiles each module
> and
> > >> created the swcs in the target directories. Unfortunately, they just
> > >>stay
> > >> there as they are not copied to your maven local repository.
> > >>
> > >> Thanks Chris that would explain the error.
> > >>
> > >> > To do that, you need to run “mvn clean install”. I would give
> > >>that a
> > >> try.
> > >>
> > >> Looks like typedef is now broken as I’m getting this:
> > >>
> > >> [INFO] --- exec-maven-plugin:1.5.0:exec (patch-js) @
> > >> flexjs-typedefs-js ---
> > >> error: patch failed: js/target/downloads/svg.js:401
> > >> error: js/target/downloads/svg.js: patch does not apply
> > >> [ERROR] Command execution failed.
> > >>
> > >> I’m assume the patch file no longer matches what’s at [1]?
> > >>
> > >> Thanks,
> > >> Justin
> > >>
> > >> 1.
> > >>https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> https%3A%2F%2Fstorage
> > .
> > >>googleapis.com%2Fgoogle-code-archive-=02%7C01%7C%
> > 7C6d802edc936741aa1
> > >>c4e08d490acbcb6%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178de
> > cee1%7C0%7C0%7C636292518959
> > >>818809=XnKepN4BFugfoG%2BrYp3Kpsc%2F8ZGRT64IpOKGuJ0%
> > 2Fk%2Fo%3D
> > >>ved=0
> > >> downloads/v2/code.google.com/closureidl/svg.js
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> >
> >
>

Re: [LAST CALL] Release FlexJS/FalconJX 0.8.0

[OmPrakash Muppirala]

On Apr 25, 2017 9:08 PM, "Alex Harui"  wrote:



On 4/25/17, 7:48 PM, "Justin Mclean"  wrote:

>Hi,
>
>> Justin, which file(s)  are you talking about? What is the problem and
>>what
>> is your proposed solution?
>
>
>The problem IMO is two fold in we’re a) not following MIT license terms
>and b) not following ASF policy re 3rd party headers
>
>For the CreateJS file IMO the solution would be re not remove the MIT
>header and add the MIT license text to our LICENSE.
>
>Alex is of the opinion nothing needs to change but may reconsider after
>reading Roy’s Fielding’s response here. [1]

Again, Adobe Legal said there is a distinction that an "externs" file is
not a derivative work, because it is a list of APIs and not really code.
So I would not be disagreeing with Justin if we were creating a derivative
work of code.  But it isn't the case here.  We are simply creating a list.
 There really isn't any code in an externs file and none of what there is
actually goes in the final output.  It simply is a list of symbols that
should not be renamed.



Alex,

It sounds like we will be fine either way. If Justin makes this fix, will
you veto the commit?

Thanks,
Om



Thanks,
-Alex

Re: [LAST CALL] Release FlexJS/FalconJX 0.8.0

[OmPrakash Muppirala]

On Apr 25, 2017 3:52 PM, "Justin Mclean"  wrote:

Hi,

> Adobe would certainly be able to relicense that one and remove the header.

Perhaps - but that would most likely depend on the contract Adobe had with
Mike Chambers (assuming he's the original author) at the time or if non
Adobe people had contributed to that code on GitHub. It’s not always so
clear who owns copyright. That's one reason Apache has ICLAs.

But you're right in that in the US it is generally the case that the
company you work for owns the copyright of all code you produce. But if I
had written that code in Australia, by default the company I wrote it for
would not own the copyright and would of needed my permission to change the
license.

Thanks,
Justin



Justin, which file(s)  are you talking about? What is the problem and what
is your proposed solution?

Thanks,
Om

Re: [LAST CALL] Release FlexJS/FalconJX 0.8.0

[OmPrakash Muppirala]

Justin, you are welcome to contact the original authors and find out more.
But please don't expect the release process to wait till we figure this
out.

We can fix license headers in a subsequent release if needed.

I would rather Alex and Harbs continue their coding, prepping for release,
etc instead of spending more time on this issue.

Thanks,
Om


On Apr 23, 2017 8:00 AM, "Harbs"  wrote:

My point is that it does not matter which came from where.

Even if you are right (which I doubt — Mike Chambers probably just took
most of the code from existing code bases) the code was owned by Adobe
(since it was written by an Adobe employee whether Mike Chambers or someone
else) and Adobe donated it to Apache under the Apache license. We have no
reason to question their right to do so.

I don’t know what other licensing issues you refer to, so I can’t respond
to that, but in this case I see no reason to do anything.

Thanks,
Harbs

> On Apr 23, 2017, at 10:20 AM, Justin Mclean 
wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
>> You have no way of determining that the original came from as3corelib
and not the other way around.
>
> Yes we do we can ask the people involved. Also look at the github dates,
for instance the license was updated in 2008. [1]
>
> Alex has requested the same on other licensing issues so why should this
be different?
>
> Thanks,
> Justin
>
> 1. https://github.com/mikechambers/as3corelib/commits/
24c6c16aecbf0d8fcc043ae671e689b0d4b4c559/tests/src/com/
adobe/crypto/MD5Test.as

Re: git commit: [flex-asjs] [refs/heads/develop] - CORS security. Allow auth credentials to be passed when using cross site calls. This is required as well as setting the Access-Control-Allow-Origin h

[OmPrakash Muppirala]

On Apr 10, 2017 11:40 PM, "Alex Harui"  wrote:

IMO, a bead is still best, but your proposed implementation isn't what I
would recommend.  With beads, we are trying for loose coupling, separation
of concerns, abstraction, encapsulation, and a bunch of other Computer
Science practices.  Hopefully, any communication between the strand and
bead is general and not specific to certain beads.  If your strand code
actually knows the type of the bead, then your code is probably not using
abstraction properly.

One pattern I like, that we've used in several components, is lifecycle
events.  So, the send() method might dispatch an event called
"prepareToSend".  That is only one line of new code.  Your CORS bead, and
anybody else's beads that add capabilities to HTTPService would simply
listen for that event, grab the element and fiddle with the element as
needed.  Other beads might add headers, scan the URL for exploits, etc.

HTH,
-Alex


One common approach I have seen in JS webservice libraries is to allow the
users to attach an interceptor function which will carry the requrst object
in the function args.  The user can then attach any headers they want to
the request object inside the function.

This would be a static method on HTTPService.  That way, for example, once
authenticated, all api calls could be intercepted and authentication
headers attached.  Or perhaps CORS headers attached if the situation
requires.

In runtime we check

if(HttpService.interceptor) {
HTTPService. interceptor.call(this.request);
}

Thanks,
Om



On 4/10/17, 6:56 PM, "Justin Mclean"  wrote:

>Hi,
>
>I’ll respond to your email in full later.
>
>Lets assume we make it a bead.
>
>In this case it will add more lines of code (about a dozen) to
>HTTPService and will have a bigger cost people who both use it and don’t
>use it. Currently it’s only a two line method and there no runtime cost
>to people who don’t use it.
>
>That doesn’t seem PAYG to me. Do you still think that is best way
>forward? Or can you suggest another way to get this to work that is no
>cost to people who don’t use it?
>
>Here's what I think would need to be done. I would need to add something
>like this to the JS send method (or call new method(s) that do something
>similar).
>
>int noBeads:int = 0;
>for (int i = 0; i < noBeads; i++) {
>if (beads[i] is CORSAuthenicationBead) {
>element.withAuthenication =  (beads[i] as
>CORSAuthenicationBead).withAuthenication;
>}
>}
>
>(withAuthenication needs to set at runtime not just when the bead is
>added)
>
>We could perhaps create a CORSAuthenicationBead and a
>CORSRuntimeAuthenicationBead, but that’s will add more code/cost, as well
>as the code above we would also need to add code in addBead as well to
>set withAuthenication.
>
> But wait addBead only exist on the AS side not the JS side (unless sI’m
>missing something):
>COMPILE::SWF
>public function addBead(bead:IBead):void
>
>And this it looks like the set strand method is broken on JS:
> public function set strand(value:IStrand):void
> {
> _strand = value;
> if (_beads == null)
> {
> for each (var bead:IBead in beads)
> addBead(bead);
> }
>
> dispatchEvent(new org.apache.flex.events.Event("beadsAdded"));
>}
>
>So we also would need add a JS version of addBead as well with again more
>code and cost.
>
>So I’ll ask again given the above do you think that a bead is best here?
>Especially when it adds runtime cost (runtime and size) to user if they
>use it or not?
>
>Thanks,
>Justin

Re: [DISCUSS] Changing our general mode of development?

[OmPrakash Muppirala]

The general approach should be to first merge dev branch into the feature
branch and test if any examples are broken.

Then ask for volunteers to test the feature branch and report issues.

After a reasonable amount of time, the feature branch can ne merged into
dev.

This will not solve all the issues, but major breakages can be contained
this way.

At my work, for feature to dev merges,  we have a Pull Request attached to
a code review and an automated build.  But given that we are open source we
need to rely on self discipline and community testing.

Thanks,
Om


On Mar 28, 2017 4:37 AM, "Carlos Rovira" 
wrote:

+1 to all of this.

For people looking at the other's work it more easy to follow git graphs if
people make it's own branch.
I suscribe all Chris's email and agree with all.

So hope folks embrace the maven way of building and abandone ANT since
there's no benefit at all in that build system.

Thanks Chris for bringing this :)



2017-03-28 12:04 GMT+02:00 Harbs :

> I do think that development should be done almost exclusively on feature
> branches.
>
> If the build status for a feature branch can be verified on the server
> (like you set it up) that’s ideal because it does not require using
> specifically ant or maven locally.
>
> > On Mar 28, 2017, at 12:59 PM, Harbs  wrote:
> >
> > I still have not managed to get maven setup correctly.
> >
> >> On Mar 28, 2017, at 12:46 PM, Christofer Dutz <
> christofer.d...@c-ware.de> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Harbs,
> >> (this time replying to the right name ;-) )
> >>
> >> I usually simply make sure I update my repos and do the full maven
> build with tests and examples locally before pushing … I guess this is
> sufficient protection against most problems. In IntelliJ that’s two clicks
> and a cup of coffee or whatever beverage you prefer.
> >>
> >> Chris
> >>
> >>
> >> Am 28.03.17, 11:41 schrieb "Harbs" :
> >>
> >>   +1.
> >>
> >>   I think it’s OK to develop however we might be comfortable on a
> feature branch, but we definitely want an approved procedure which must be
> done before committing to the develop branch.
> >>
> >>   Harbs
> >>
> >>> On Mar 28, 2017, at 12:29 PM, Christofer Dutz <
> christofer.d...@c-ware.de> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> For the last months, we have seen a huge increase in people working on
> the FlexJS and people working on first applications using FlexJS. I think
> we should discuss how we can make sure we don’t have interruptions like
the
> current one in the future.
> >>>
> >>> One point that has been causing pain in the past, was that some people
> are using Ant and some are using Maven. Maven is quite a bit more
> restrictive than Ant and it builds a lot more and tests a lot more. Just
as
> an example in contrast to the Ant build the Maven build builds all
Examples
> and it also tests some of them to be runnable in a browser. The Ant build
> only builds the framework and most of the latest problems only pop up if
> you build an application. It has occurred several times that Changed
failed
> the Maven build but didn’t fail the Ant build … just because the Ant build
> doesn’t build everything. We could avoid this problem if people would not
> simply ignore build failures reported by the ASF Jenkins, which is taking
> care of the Maven build. It is currently setup to give feedback within an
> hour or so.
> >>>
> >>> Sometimes the “fix” was to exclude a module in Maven. This usually had
> the side-effect of the RAT plugin failing after that because it now finds
> files without Apache headers. A quick solution to that problem is to
log-in
> to the ASF Jenkins and to click on “wipe workspace” of that build. After
> that this type of problem should go away immediately.
> >>>
> >>> Another point was that sometimes people work together on a larger
> refactoring and check-in stuff to develop in order to share code. We
should
> start using feature branches for this. This has currently not been
> happening at all. I have setup everything that if you create a branch IN
> ALL 3 REPOS with a name “feature/{somename}” (but the same “somename” in
> all three ;-) )  the ASF Jenkins will setup a Job for that which builds
all
> parts in one go and give you immediate feedback on the state of your
> branch. Feature branches that are not “blue” should not be merged back to
> develop.
> >>>
> >>> One last pattern I have encountered was people reporting stuff like:
> “I have been working on X and have almost finished ... I know it will
break
> Y, but I’ll push my changes and fix Y after that” … keep in mind: By
> breaking Y everyone working on FlexJS is forced to stop working so I will
> probably veto every suggestion I encounter on the list that has a similar
> pattern.
> >>>
> >>> FlexJS has matured and we are approaching a 1.0, but we also must
> mature the way we develop or we will hurt early adopters and people
willing
> to help get 

Re: 4.16.0 Windows Install issues (was Re: [ANNOUNCE] Apache Flex 4.16.0 released)

[OmPrakash Muppirala]

We could do a patch release that does not add any new feature for the 64
bit installer binary.

We would need to bump up the version so that the auto update functionality
would be triggered.

In this we probably don't even need a source release as we will only be
modifying the convenience binaries.

Thanks,
Om


On Mar 20, 2017 11:00 AM, "Alex Harui"  wrote:

Renaming thread.  On next post I will drop the [ANNOUNCE] tag so we don't
fill the inboxes of those using an Announce filter.

So, I have heard back from my internal contacts.  There is no plan to
allow the packaging of a 64-bit app the way we package the 32-bit
Installer.  Essentially, that means that we have to write our own
installer for the 64-bit Apache Flex SDK Installer.

Also, the much larger size of AIR 25 is intentional.  There is a feature
called "bitcode" that is responsible for the increase in size.

Here are some possible solutions, of which we don't have to choose just
one:
1) New Installer release.  Try to add the call to clear() and maybe
rewrite the way we do MD5 checking to not suck in the entire file at once.
 We are overdue for an Installer release.  We really should replace the
way we get the mirror data with a JSON call.  But on the other hand, that
will take us several days or weeks to do this, and I'd rather do other
things.  But if volunteers can step up to do this, that would be great.
It just won't solve the problem in the short term.

2) Remove AIR 25 from the list of choices until we do #1

3) Make the 64-bit version of the installer available as a zip file.
Folks would have to download it, unpack it and run it instead of the usual
installer.

4) Add the installation of the 64-bit installer to the 32-bit Installer!
I don't know for sure if we can do that, but we should be able to script
the downloading and unpacking described in #3.

Note that both #3 and #4 would probably not be official Apache releases.
The 3.2 build script doesn't create a bundle, it only creates an installer
EXE which will be 32-bit.  Usually, the binary artifact is the result of
running the build script.  In order to create the 64-bit bundle, I had to
tweak the build script which effectively changes the source package.  In
order to do #4, we'd have to create the installer.xml for it.  So, we
would not replace the existing 3.2 release or deploy the zip on the
mirrors.  We'd have to host the zip somewhere else, more like making
nightly builds available to those having problems.

Thoughts?
-Alex

On 3/19/17, 10:02 PM, "Alex Harui"  wrote:

>An update:  I was able to generate a 64-bit bundle, but not an installer
>EXE that installs a 64-bit app.  It seems to generate a 32-bit app.
>
>Has anyone seen any info on creating an installer EXE for a 64-bit app?
>I'll ask internally at Adobe as well.
>
>Thanks,
>-Alex
>
>On 3/18/17, 9:33 PM, "Alex Harui"  wrote:
>
>>I haven't tried clear().  I'm trying to see if 64-bit will work because
>>then I think we can just deploy a new binary instead of having to go
>>through an entire release process.
>>
>>I spent some time this afternoon and could not get the AIR 25 SDK Beta
>>with 64-bit support to actually generate a 64-bit exe.  Has anyone seen
>>any documentation on the process?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>-Alex
>>
>>On 3/18/17, 8:17 AM, "Josh Tynjala"  wrote:
>>
>>>I wonder if it would help to call clear() on the URLLoader's ByteArray
>>>in
>>>the Get AntOnAIR task after we save it to a file. While it's supposed to
>>>be
>>>GCed eventually, clearing the memory immediately is probably a good idea
>>>with these large files. I've had succuss doing something similar in
>>>cases
>>>where BitmapData used too much cumulative memory before it could be
>>>GCed.
>>>
>>>- Josh
>>>
>>>On Mar 18, 2017 7:24 AM, "Alex Harui"  wrote:
>>>
 Do any of the Windows platforms we support not handle 64-bit apps?
 Windows Server 2008 for example?

 Otherwise, it seems like we should rebuild the Windows Installer on a
 64-bit AIR version and replace the 32-bit one that we've deployed?

 Thoughts?
 -Alex

 On 3/17/17, 3:46 PM, "piotrz"  wrote:

 >Hi :),
 >
 >Can someone post also this information to our Facebook fan page ?
 >
 >Thanks,
 >Piotr
 >
 >
 >
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 Flex-4-16-0-released
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 85d2%7Cf
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 VGA%2B5
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>>
>

Re: [FlexJS] SVG getBBox

[OmPrakash Muppirala]

Width and height properties are fine for rectangular shapes.  For curves
and paths,  we need the getBBox () method to get the true extents.

I think this call  could be moved down the chain and called only when
needed, i.e. for curves and non rectangular shapes.

Moreover, the promise of the getBBox api is that it is available before the
object is drawn on the DOM.  So, it seemed like a good idea at that time.

In my testing, I found that Chrome had a bug for a long time that gave
wrong extents for arcs.  Although that issue has been fixed recently.

Overall, this seems to be working okay.  What do you think?

Thanks,
Om

On Mar 19, 2017 1:46 AM, "Harbs"  wrote:

The SVG components that subclass GraphicShape use getBBox to feed the size
into the resize method. This is a problem due to a Firefox bug which
prevents the use of getBBox() before an SVG element is added to the
document hierarchy.[1]

I’m not sure I understand why getBBox() is being called at all. If the
width and height is set, it seems to me like that should be used, and if
not, why set a width and height at all?

Harbs

[1]https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=612118 <
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=612118>

Re: 4.16.0 Install issues (was Re: [ANNOUNCE] Apache Flex 4.16.0 released)

[OmPrakash Muppirala]

You can use
FP/AIR 23 and older then use one of the upgrade scripts.


+1 for this approach.

I think we should add these steps to a wiki page and keep it handy for
folks who want this.

In fact,  simply copying over a different AIR SDK should work as well.

Thanks,
Om

Re: [4.16.0] # Apache Flex SDK 4.16.0 nightly build 254: Successful

[OmPrakash Muppirala]

Has this build been turned off, now that 4.16 is out the door?

Thanks,
Om

On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 4:48 PM,  wrote:

> flex-sdk_release-candidate - Build #254 - Successful
>
> Changes since last build:
> No changes
>
> For more information, check the console output at http://apacheflexbuild.
> cloudapp.net:8080/job/flex-sdk_release-candidate/254/.

Re: [FlexJS] MDL - Dynamic Child Problem

[OmPrakash Muppirala]

Piotr,

I ran into this codepen from one of the issues in MDLs github

http://codepen.io/anon/pen/BNOVvw

Is that what we need to here?

Thanks,
Om

On Feb 19, 2017 7:47 AM, "piotrz"  wrote:

> Alex,
>
> Actually this code which I'm showing in the links is something which I
> wanted to achieve and should work. Maybe someone have more knowledge about
> MDL, but I'm looking into MDL code it's pointing me nowhere. I will wait a
> bit if no one help me here I will try to on stackoverflow.
>
> Piotr
>
>
>
> -
> Apache Flex PMC
> piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com
> --
> View this message in context: http://apache-flex-
> development.247.n4.nabble.com/FlexJS-MDL-Dynamic-Child-
> Problem-tp59595p59658.html
> Sent from the Apache Flex Development mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>

Re: [FlexJS] Text binding showing undefined

[OmPrakash Muppirala]

On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 10:51 AM, Alex Harui  wrote:

>
>
> On 2/16/17, 10:37 AM, "carlos.rov...@gmail.com on behalf of Carlos Rovira"
> 
> wrote:
>
> >Hi Alex,
> >
> >IMHO, this is not PAYG, no body wants "undefined" as a possible output.
> >In my way of thinking this could be very radical way and take PAYG to the
> >latest extreme.
> >In that way almost all things are PAYG and should not be implemented in
> >basic set ;) ... what do you think?
>
> You are welcome to build in a test for null and undefined in your
> component sets.  The way I think of it is: in production, how often is
> null or undefined going to be assigned to a label?  I would think it would
> be very rare, if at all, but I could be wrong.  If you use Model/View,
> have the model and its validators prevent null/undefined from being a
> value that the view is bound to.
>

I don't think a test for null or undefined is required.  That implies code
running needlessly.
I am guessing that having a sensible default would solve this problem.
That does not run code needlessly.

Thanks,
Om


>
> My 2 cents,
> -Alex
>
> >
> >2017-02-16 2:55 GMT+01:00 Alex Harui :
> >
> >> The Basic components don't test for unexpected inputs.  It isn't PAYG.
> >>We
> >> should try to remember to add some defensive code for common cases to
> >> Express.
> >>
> >> -Alex
> >>
> >> On 2/15/17, 3:31 PM, "Justin Mclean"  wrote:
> >>
> >> >Hi,
> >> >
> >> >This application when run displays “undefined” in text on the screen.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >http://ns.adobe.com/mxml/2009;
> >> >xmlns:js="library://ns.apache.org/flexjs/basic"
> >> >xmlns:local="*">
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >The component code:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >http://ns.adobe.com/mxml/2009;
> >> >xmlns:js="library://ns.apache.org/flexjs/basic">
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >This can be worked around by doing this in the component:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >But still looks like a bug / is unexpected behaviour to me. What do
> >>other
> >> >people think?
> >> >
> >> >Thanks,
> >> >Justin
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >--
> >
> >Carlos Rovira
> >Director General
> >M: +34 607 22 60 05
> >http://www.codeoscopic.com
> >http://www.avant2.es
> >
> >Este mensaje se dirige exclusivamente a su destinatario y puede contener
> >información privilegiada o confidencial. Si ha recibido este mensaje por
> >error, le rogamos que nos lo comunique inmediatamente por esta misma vía y
> >proceda a su destrucción.
> >
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> >comunicamos
> >que sus datos forman parte de un fichero cuyo responsable es CODEOSCOPIC
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> >servicio o información solicitados, teniendo usted derecho de acceso,
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> >nuestras
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> >necesaria.
>
>

Re: [Flex JS] Label's text gets trimmed

[OmPrakash Muppirala]

Setting this style in CSS should fix this issue:

white-space: pre
or
white-space: pre-wrap

More options here: https://www.w3schools.com/cssref/pr_text_white-space.asp

Thanks,
Om

2017-02-16 10:39 GMT-08:00 Carlos Rovira :

> Hi Justing, I think this is the normal way HTML works.
> HTML removes whitespaces. If you put lots of whitespace, HTML will remove
> them.
> So I think no much to do there for this kind of trys
>
> 2017-02-16 7:15 GMT+01:00 Justin Mclean :
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > This:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >
> > Gives this: (removing the space)
> > Hello,world
> >
> > Rather than the expected:
> > Hello, world
> >
> > In this case you could of course do something like this (although it's
> not
> > quite the same):
> >
> >  > tools” />
> >
> > But there are other cases where this is not so easy to solve and spaces
> > are needed on either side.
> >
> > Is there any reason text labels are trimmed? Is this a bug?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Justin
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Carlos Rovira
> Director General
> M: +34 607 22 60 05
> http://www.codeoscopic.com
> http://www.avant2.es
>
> Este mensaje se dirige exclusivamente a su destinatario y puede contener
> información privilegiada o confidencial. Si ha recibido este mensaje por
> error, le rogamos que nos lo comunique inmediatamente por esta misma vía y
> proceda a su destrucción.
>
> De la vigente Ley Orgánica de Protección de Datos (15/1999), le comunicamos
> que sus datos forman parte de un fichero cuyo responsable es CODEOSCOPIC
> S.A. La finalidad de dicho tratamiento es facilitar la prestación del
> servicio o información solicitados, teniendo usted derecho de acceso,
> rectificación, cancelación y oposición de sus datos dirigiéndose a nuestras
> oficinas c/ Paseo de la Habana 9-11, 28036, Madrid con la documentación
> necesaria.
>

Re: [FlexJS Summit] Preparing the schedule

[OmPrakash Muppirala]

It would be nice to have a hackathon session as well.  I was able to add
support for FontAwesome to FlexJS in around 8 hours total.  Maybe we pick a
popular JS library and hack away at adding support for that in this session?

Thanks,
Om

On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 1:38 PM, Harbs  wrote:

> Yishay mentioned that he may come as well. In that case, we can probably
> do it together.
>
> > On Feb 15, 2017, at 11:37 PM, Harbs  wrote:
> >
> > I will probably be able to do this. I should have confirmation in the
> next week or so.
> >
> >> On Feb 15, 2017, at 11:25 PM, Christofer Dutz <
> christofer.d...@c-ware.de > wrote:
> >>
> >> -  Migrating from Flex to FlexJS (no one yet)
> >>
> >
>
>

Re: [FlexJS, MDL] Layout Problems

[OmPrakash Muppirala]

On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 12:14 PM, piotrz  wrote:

> Hi Om,
>
> But saying using !import you mean do not add it to our library, but as an
> developer inside our app ?
>

Yes, I meant for the user-developer.  But a component-developer can chose
to add the convenient VContainer ahd HContainer classes.  Or perhaps we can
put these in the Express library.


> I'm not sure what is for this left margin, but I think this is something
> which we don't need. Cause if I have simple  I expect that
> everything what is inside there it's displayed with margin = 0;
>

Yes, I hope we can get rid of the left margin by default.


>
> Piotr
>
>
>
> -
> Apache Flex PMC
> piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com
> --
> View this message in context: http://apache-flex-
> development.247.n4.nabble.com/FlexJS-MDL-Layout-
> Problems-tp59423p59469.html
> Sent from the Apache Flex Development mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>

Re: [FlexJS, MDL] Layout Problems

[OmPrakash Muppirala]

As Yishay hinted earlier, we would need to to use !important for display:
flex

.layout {
display: flex !important;
}

On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 12:06 PM, OmPrakash Muppirala <bigosma...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I have been meaning to add a note asking folks to test out the
> FlexTeamPage_MDL project
>
> https://github.com/apache/flex-asjs/tree/develop/
> examples/flexjs/FlexTeamPage_MDL
>
> Wherever I had layout issues, I simply created a container and gave it a
> className and did all my layout using FlexBox.  That is something I can
> live with.  Perhaps folks can just create re-usable VContainers or
> HContainers like this:
>
> VContainer:
>
> 
> 
>
> HContainer:
>
> 
> 
>
> CSS:
>
> .layout {
> display: flex;
> }
>
> .horizontalLayout {
> flex-direction: row
> }
>
> .verticalLayout {
> flex-direction: column
> }
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 11:50 AM, Carlos Rovira <carlosrov...@apache.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> 2017-02-15 20:39 GMT+01:00 piotrz <piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com>:
>>
>> >
>> > I could add it this code to default.css, but is it something which we
>> > wanted
>> > ?
>> >
>> >
>> my guest is that we should upload this kind of css setups to a general SWC
>> since it will impact others.
>>
>> I think we need more experience in how to layout MDL. we should create
>> some
>> js-non-flexjs examples ourselves to exercise how things are done in order
>> to understand why things are behaving like this. Or see how people is
>> doing
>> searching on google.
>>
>> For example I started a new example MDLBlogExample to see where things are
>> not working as expected. I found some problems, but mostly due to CSS
>> errors that FlexJS still doesn't know how to handle. I left the example
>> unfinished, but I should fill JIRA tickets for the CSS things I found.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Carlos Rovira
>> http://about.me/carlosrovira
>>
>
>

Re: [FlexJS, MDL] Layout Problems

[OmPrakash Muppirala]

I have been meaning to add a note asking folks to test out the
FlexTeamPage_MDL project

https://github.com/apache/flex-asjs/tree/develop/examples/flexjs/FlexTeamPage_MDL

Wherever I had layout issues, I simply created a container and gave it a
className and did all my layout using FlexBox.  That is something I can
live with.  Perhaps folks can just create re-usable VContainers or
HContainers like this:

VContainer:




HContainer:




CSS:

.layout {
display: flex;
}

.horizontalLayout {
flex-direction: row
}

.verticalLayout {
flex-direction: column
}


On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 11:50 AM, Carlos Rovira 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> 2017-02-15 20:39 GMT+01:00 piotrz :
>
> >
> > I could add it this code to default.css, but is it something which we
> > wanted
> > ?
> >
> >
> my guest is that we should upload this kind of css setups to a general SWC
> since it will impact others.
>
> I think we need more experience in how to layout MDL. we should create some
> js-non-flexjs examples ourselves to exercise how things are done in order
> to understand why things are behaving like this. Or see how people is doing
> searching on google.
>
> For example I started a new example MDLBlogExample to see where things are
> not working as expected. I found some problems, but mostly due to CSS
> errors that FlexJS still doesn't know how to handle. I left the example
> unfinished, but I should fill JIRA tickets for the CSS things I found.
>
>
>
> --
> Carlos Rovira
> http://about.me/carlosrovira
>