from:"Peter Kovacs"

Re: Booked for FOSDEM

2017-02-03 Thread Peter Kovacs

+1
:)

Matthias Seidel  schrieb am Do., 2. Feb. 2017,
23:19:

> Hi Andrea,
>
> Looking forward to meeting you (and Raphael, Peter, Michael and
> Mechtilde...)
>
> I plan to be at the devroom to see your talk. We will find a place...
>
> Kind regards, Matthias
>
>
> Am 02.02.2017 um 09:20 schrieb Andrea Pescetti:
> > On 09/01/2017 Matthias Seidel wrote:
> >> I will be there on Saturday about 10:00 a.m. and have to go about
> >> 6:00 p.m.
> >
> > I'll be at FOSDEM too. Last year I had to cancel participation after
> > already booking and packing, but this time it will hopefully work better.
> >
> > I expect to be around on Saturday, mostly in the Open Document Editors
> > devroom, and maybe on Sunday morning.
> >
> > Since the venue is busy it may be good to schedule a group meeting on
> > Saturday afternoon, after the talk by Imacat. Like Saturday at 2PM
> > just out of the devroom? There is not much space around, but we will
> > manage to find a place. I'm looking forward to seeing some of the new
> > committers in person!
> >
> > Regards,
> >   Andrea.
> >
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Bugzilla refreshness

2017-02-08 Thread Peter Kovacs

Can we rename the Status "Not an Issue" to "is not reproduce able"?

I would also suggest to add a reason that expresses that this report needs
to be adressed on user channels first.

I think this nameing would carry more the message that we accept the users
problem as such, but we have difficulties to help.

Not an Issue has the feeling of We do not want to help you, even if this is
not true.

All the best

Re: Increase the number of tables in Calc

2017-02-05 Thread Peter Kovacs

+1 for tests.

But honestly I would not expect a lot of effect if you are on a modern
machine with 4GB + memory and maybe SSD disks.

I would expect issues on older machines with maybe old technology and 2GB
memory.
These machines are old of course (my MacBook Air is such a machine, however
with an early SSD HD. 6 years old)
Maybe 2GB are sufficient. Depends on Data used. I think we should also test
on older machines to see the effects.

All the Best
Peter

Jörg Schmidt  schrieb am Mo., 6. Feb. 2017, 04:42:

>
> > From: Damjan Jovanovic [mailto:dam...@apache.org]
>
> > Hopefully, to increase number of sheets, it's just this one-line patch
> > below that I am busy compiling now. Will let you know if it
> > works soon.
>
> That would be good if it worked.
>
>
> But please let us consider:
> Are 1024 a reasonable value?
> What would be possible at most _in the short_ term?
>
> We have to keep in mind that MS Excel and LO Calc do not have a limit for
> tables anymore and that must be our goal in the long term. (Of course
> gladly synonymous in the short term, but I think this will not be possible)
>
>
> Greetings,
> Jörg
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Re: Why do OpneOffice need to change Google Chrome?!

2017-02-04 Thread Peter Kovacs

I think you started the install directly through chrome. That's why it
refers to it. If you start the installer from your download file it should
not reference to chrome.
Did you check if OpenOffice was running?

Samuel Natan Freiholtz  schrieb am Sa., 4.
Feb. 2017, 20:22:

> Hi Marcus!
> Shure, I attach a screenshot of the part of installationprocess I am
> talking about.
>
> The text say:
>
> "Files that's used
> Some files that need to be uppdated is in use at the moment.
>
> The following software use files that need to be updated at installation.
> Close the software and klick Try again to proccesed.
>
> Google Chrome (Process Id: 1440)"
>
> If you want to see the text in english I can download the English version
> of OpenOffice and try intalling it, I guess it will show the same. Right
> now I use the Swedish verison.
>
> Regards
> Samuel
>
>
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> *Skickat:* den 4 februari 2017 09:41
> *Till:* dev@openoffice.apache.org
> *Kopia:* Samuel Natan Freiholtz
> *Ämne:* Re: Why do OpneOffice need to change Google Chrome?!
>
> Am 04.02.2017 um 05:33 schrieb Samuel Natan Freiholtz:
> > I was about to install OpenOffice when I was informed I had to close
> Google Chrome because changes needed to be made to that application by
> OpenOffice. Why? Why Do OpenOffice need to change Google Chrome??
>
> OpenOffice doesn't change Chrome.
>
> Do you have any more information for us? Otherwise we cannot help here.
>
> Thanks
>
> Marcus
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Re: Community building: give our User a chance to contribute!

2017-01-23 Thread Peter Kovacs

+1, yeah we should talk in person.
You can always only build communities by meeting.

Matthias Seidel  schrieb am So., 22. Jan. 2017,
09:25:

> It CAN work!
> Indeed it does in an even smaller community for several years...
>
> We should have a talk together with Raphael and Peter at FOSDEM 17.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Matthias
>
>
> Am 22.01.2017 um 08:26 schrieb Dr. Michael Stehmann:
> > Hi,
> >
> > IMO Raphael's suggestion will work under Apache rules. It is normal that
> > developers of Apache projects are paid by companies etc. to contribute
> > to the project.
> >
> > Whether Raphael`s plan will work as a "business model", we will see.
> >
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Re: [lazy consensus] FreeBSD as a new supported platform?

2017-01-27 Thread Peter Kovacs


On 27.01.2017 20:17, Marcus wrote:
And it is crucial that the hashes and signature files *not* be 
mirrored.  Having them only available at dist.apache.org is the secure 
way to detect that the mirror-downloaded binary is authentic and 
unaltered.


right, we as OpenOffice project we should make sure that we refer only 
to our own files and servers. So, I hope that there is no faulty link. 
;-)

This decision would also mean we never release on Mac or Windows shop!
I think this is a fatal decision.

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Re: [lazy consensus] FreeBSD as a new supported platform?

2017-01-27 Thread Peter Kovacs




On 27.01.2017 20:39, Marcus wrote:

Am 27.01.2017 um 20:23 schrieb Peter Kovacs:

On 27.01.2017 20:17, Marcus wrote:

And it is crucial that the hashes and signature files *not* be
mirrored.  Having them only available at dist.apache.org is the secure
way to detect that the mirror-downloaded binary is authentic and
unaltered.

right, we as OpenOffice project we should make sure that we refer only
to our own files and servers. So, I hope that there is no faulty link.
;-)

This decision would also mean we never release on Mac or Windows shop!
I think this is a fatal decision.


as long as we have no idea who should do this work, it's not really 
relevant to think now about this. ;-)
:-D exactly, my argument. so if no one supports our own servers, we 
still have an official release?
As I said I would opt for bind the support and Binary question to the 
activity the community does.


If we do nothing we should not claim we support something. If people 
want to get it supported, they have to sign on and get involved.

That is the message we have to transport.

my 2 cents ;)

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Re: [lazy consensus] FreeBSD as a new supported platform?

2017-01-27 Thread Peter Kovacs




On 27.01.2017 20:39, Marcus wrote:

Am 27.01.2017 um 20:23 schrieb Peter Kovacs:

On 27.01.2017 20:17, Marcus wrote:

And it is crucial that the hashes and signature files *not* be
mirrored.  Having them only available at dist.apache.org is the secure
way to detect that the mirror-downloaded binary is authentic and
unaltered.

right, we as OpenOffice project we should make sure that we refer only
to our own files and servers. So, I hope that there is no faulty link.
;-)

This decision would also mean we never release on Mac or Windows shop!
I think this is a fatal decision.


as long as we have no idea who should do this work, it's not really 
relevant to think now about this. ;-)
:-D exactly, my argument. so if no one supports our own servers, we 
still have an official release?
As I said I would opt for bind the support and Binary question to the 
activity the community does.


If we do nothing we should not claim we support something. If people 
want to get it supported, they have to sign on and get involved.

That is the message we have to transport.

my 2 cents ;)

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Module Registry

2017-01-28 Thread Peter Kovacs


Hello,

I had some time today, focusing on my building efforts again.

I get an error for the registry build, which I find hard to sort out.

The registry module tries to build its own boost instance and conflicts 
in my build environment with the already build boost module.


I did not find the reason why the compiler thinks he has to compile 
boost again. Does anyone has an Idea where to look into this?



My error message

Compiling: registry/source/regimpl.cxx
g++  -fmessage-length=0 -c -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -DENABLE_LAYOUT=0 
-DENABLE_LAYOUT_EXPERIMENTAL=0   -I. -I../unxlngx6.pro/inc/regcpp -I../inc 
-I../inc/pch -I../inc -I../unx/inc -I../unxlngx6.pro/inc -I. 
-I/home/legine/workspace/ApacheOpenOffice/AOO413/main/solver/413/unxlngx6.pro/inc/stl
 
-I/home/legine/workspace/ApacheOpenOffice/AOO413/main/solver/413/unxlngx6.pro/inc/external
 
-I/home/legine/workspace/ApacheOpenOffice/AOO413/main/solver/413/unxlngx6.pro/inc
 -I/home/legine/workspace/ApacheOpenOffice/AOO413/main/solenv/unxlngx6/inc 
-I/home/legine/workspace/ApacheOpenOffice/AOO413/main/solenv/inc 
-I/home/legine/workspace/ApacheOpenOffice/AOO413/main/res 
-I/home/legine/workspace/ApacheOpenOffice/AOO413/main/solenv/inc/Xp31 
-I/usr/lib/jvm/java-8-openjdk/include 
-I/usr/lib/jvm/java-8-openjdk/include/linux 
-I/usr/lib/jvm/java-8-openjdk/include/native_threads/include -I/usr/include  
-I/home/legine/workspace/ApacheOpenOffice/AOO413/main/solver/413/unxlngx6.pro/inc/offuh
 -I. -I../res -I. -pipe  -fvisibility-inlines-hidden -Wall -Wextra 
-Wendif-labels -Wshadow -Wno-ctor-dtor-privacy -Wno-non-virtual-dtor   
-fpic -DLINUX -DUNX -DVCL -DGCC -DC341 -DX86_64 -DGLIBC=2 -D_PTHREADS 
-D_REENTRANT -DNEW_SOLAR -D_USE_NAMESPACE=1 -DBOOST_DETAIL_NO_CONTAINER_FWD 
-DHAVE_GCC_VISIBILITY_FEATURE -DX86_64 -D__DMAKE -DUNIX -DCPPU_ENV=gcc3 
-DGXX_INCLUDE_PATH=/usr/include/c++/6.3.1 -DSUPD=413 -DPRODUCT -DNDEBUG 
-DOSL_DEBUG_LEVEL=0 -DOPTIMIZE -DCUI -DSOLAR_JAVA   -DSHAREDLIB -D_DLL_   
-fexceptions -fno-enforce-eh-specs -DEXCEPTIONS_ON  -o 
../unxlngx6.pro/slo/regimpl.o 
/home/legine/workspace/ApacheOpenOffice/AOO413/main/registry/source/regimpl.cxx
In file included from 
/home/legine/workspace/ApacheOpenOffice/AOO413/main/solver/413/unxlngx6.pro/inc/boost/bind/mem_fn.hpp:25:0,
 from 
/home/legine/workspace/ApacheOpenOffice/AOO413/main/solver/413/unxlngx6.pro/inc/boost/mem_fn.hpp:22,
 from 
/home/legine/workspace/ApacheOpenOffice/AOO413/main/solver/413/unxlngx6.pro/inc/boost/tr1/functional.hpp:62,
 from 
/home/legine/workspace/ApacheOpenOffice/AOO413/main/solver/413/unxlngx6.pro/inc/boost/tr1/tr1/functional:27,
 from 
/home/legine/workspace/ApacheOpenOffice/AOO413/main/solver/413/unxlngx6.pro/inc/stl/functional:36,
 from /usr/include/c++/6.3.1/memory:79,
 from 
/home/legine/workspace/ApacheOpenOffice/AOO413/main/registry/source/regimpl.cxx:29:
/home/legine/workspace/ApacheOpenOffice/AOO413/main/solver/413/unxlngx6.pro/inc/boost/get_pointer.hpp:27:40:
 error: 'template T* boost::get_pointer' conflicts with a previous 
declaration
 template T * get_pointer(std::auto_ptr const& p)
^~~~


all the best

Peter




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Re: Community building: give our User a chance to contribute!

2017-01-20 Thread Peter Kovacs

Hmm, the discussion moves in a wrong direction, with wrong assumptions. 
I am against a status quo solution. For me status quo directly transfers 
to nothing happens.


I am not talking of creating one Investor that provides Money. I aim at 
mobilizing as much as possible Open Office users has as Investors.


What I propose is a open crowd infrastructure. I do not believe Apache 
is capable of this, today. I do believe this is a near future, game 
changing model in general.



For me the model should respect:

# Fundraising itself is neutral (i.e. funds are not raised for 
developers but for tasks / actions)


# nonprofit (Funds are not ment to provide any profit to the 
organisation itself and are bound by activity. investor decided on.)


# Openess of the Infra (other Apache Project have acces to the same 
infra if they whish.)


# Openess in the community ( the funds on a task is open to all 
commiters if they manage to satisfy the requirement for a payout.)



This is just a rough outline, so you understand the direction (vision) I 
am thinking. Also please note that a lot question have to be answered. 
This is maybe 1% of a business plan.


I try to make a graph on the weekend. However I am not sure if I manage 
this on the weekend. (Thats why I have asked Raphael to give his vision).



I do not see any reason why this cannot be done by Apache itseslf. Also 
One or more 3rd Party supplier can provide the Infra in full or in 
parts. For me this question is an issue we need to deal with at a later 
stage. And I stress this point: It needs to happen in sync with Apache. 
A crowd funding community is a dragon. And as Dragons are, they can be 
difficult in times. You do well to be prepared.


I hope all are at least courious and support this with their hopes and 
fears. It would be so powerfull if we can make this work.



Stay agile, keep Chalanging

Peter

On 20.01.2017 22:56, Dave Fisher wrote:

Hi -

Read to the bottom. Don't mistake my opposition to the following statement as 
opposition to a way forward to funding of a third party.


and one more note:
Our PMC is a PMC of an Apache project and it must be loyal to the ASF and the 
OpenOffice project.
If, however, there are single points that are contentious, then the PMC must 
first represent the interests of OpenOffice.

Not true. I am a Member of the Apache Software Foundation. That is just like a 
shareholder. For me that comes first. Then come PMC memberships and AOO is but 
one of mine.

In all this discussion please keep in mind that the ASF is a nonprofit and must 
not play favorites with anyone whether individual or corporation.

The ASF will protect its trademarks and expects that PMC does so.

If by negotiation there was some way the AOO project proposed funding for third 
parties to the ASF many questions would need to be answered including keeping 
the arrangement open to others, allocation of funds, auditing etc. This would 
be expensive. So, you can see that it just does not happen.

A clear separation between the third party and the ASF and the project MUST be 
kept.

I am ALL for a third party. Any developers and other employees/volunteers from 
that group who demonstrate merit here would have my support for committer 
status.

A third party might have a distribution powered by Apache OpenOffice. That 
could solicit. The project could decide to use a Powered By verification as a 
way to validate the downstream.

Something like that could work. It is close to the status quo.

Regards,
Dave

Sent from my iPhone


On Jan 20, 2017, at 3:38 AM, Jörg Schmidt <joe...@j-m-schmidt.de> wrote:



From: Peter Kovacs [mailto:legi...@gmail.com]
But in my eyes we need a way to ensure project health and
turn towards
the community we have. We were last year at the edge of project
retirement. We are slowly fighting our way out by pure
voluntary work of
people that belive in the market name Open Office.

+1


I think LibreOffice are to a certain degree correct. The ASF is not
capable to do the Project Open Office at this Point. The structure of
Libre Office is a much more healthy one for the kind of Project
Libre/Open Office is.

Yes, unfortunately, the relevant criticism of LO is correct.

But one thing should be quite clear:
The solution is not to join LO, but the solution is: we need to improve 
ourselves.


However I think we can build a similar powerfull structure if
not more
powerfull. At the same time we must walk in Sync with the ASF.

+1


Peter has said a lot about what I find right.

Likewise, I believe that it is necessary to use time to clarify these things, 
even if this time is initially missing for the programming.
The point is, the better structures will improve our efficiency in the long run.


and one more note:
Our PMC is a PMC of an Apache project and it must be loyal to the ASF and the 
OpenOffice project.
If, however, there are single points that are contentious, then the PMC must 
first represent the interests of Open

Re: [lazy consensus] FreeBSD as a new supported platform?

2017-01-27 Thread Peter Kovacs

I think in future independent download source can become less accepted.
We should think of officially accept certain distribution routes.

For the definition of support I would go for what the community provides.
If we have people interested in FreeBSD then it's fine for me to call it
supported. If we do not have someone for Mac,  then mac falls out of
support.

Would it be more wise to go for BSD as OS instead of one distribution
FreeBSD? Or are BSD variants incompatible to each other?

Or we could go for solved bugs. If in one OS bugs pile up and no one is
solving they fall out of support.

Andrea Pescetti  schrieb am Fr., 27. Jan. 2017, 08:41:

On 26/01/2017 Marcus wrote:
> before finding categories and its names, we need to make the several
> attributes visible that describe "supported"

I don't think we need complex categories here (especially because with
them a maintenance burden would come). In that source code README,
"supported" probably means "a platform for which we strive at producing
buildable source code".

Then the fact that we provide binaries for a subset of platforms will
simply be self-explanatory from the download page. In that view, for
example we "support" many more languages than those we build binaries for.

Regards,
   Andrea.

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Re: trying to get a template from the page...

2017-02-20 Thread Peter Kovacs

I have no issues, too.
Maybe a Firewall is blocking the page?

Jörg Schmidt  schrieb am Mo., 20. Feb. 2017, 08:03:

>
> > Subject:  trying to get a template from the page...
> > Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2017 23:35:28 -0500
> > From: Sarah Kragness 
> > Reply-To: us...@openoffice.apache.org
> > To:   us...@openoffice.apache.org
>
> > says 'access denied'... for the cBrainpower1.3 - creative
> > learning made
> > easy (OpenOffice sample database)
> >
> > SO WHAT AM I SUPPOSED TO DO, SINCE IT'S ON A TEMPLATE
> > DOWNLOAD PAGE?
>
> I find with Google immediately the homepage of "cBrainPower 1.3":
> http://openofficeapps.weebly.com/english-downloads.html
>
>
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Re: trying to get a template from the page...

2017-02-20 Thread Peter Kovacs

IMHO Matthias Röllig just volunteered to start fixing the page. Maybe Sarah
Kragness and Martin Groenescheij would also step up if they were asked if
they help and we promise some help them to get up and running.

I honestly think the more upset people complain, the more we should take it
as a expression to volunteer to improve the situation. Even if they only
fix 10 templates it is 10 templates fixed.

Just my 2 cents.

Jörg Schmidt  schrieb am Mo., 20. Feb. 2017, 20:08:

>
> > From: Mathias Röllig [mailto:mroellig.n...@gmx.net]
> > Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 7:01 PM
> > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> > Subject: Re: trying to get a template from the page...
> >
> > > I have no issues, too.
> > > Maybe a Firewall is blocking the page?
> >
> > Please go to
> > http://templates.services.openoffice.org/
> > and say, which templates you can download.
>
> This is meant as a joke? On the site are more than 15,000 templates (2
> seconds per template for testing require more than 8 hours).
>
> Ok, I can give 5 examples of downloadable templates:
> http://templates.services.openoffice.org/en/template/business-letter-1
> http://templates.services.openoffice.org/en/template/business-letter-2
> http://templates.services.openoffice.org/en/template/business-trip-budget
> http://templates.services.openoffice.org/en/template/simple-loan-calculator
> http://templates.services.openoffice.org/en/template/diploma-ref-01
>
> (And there are also templates which can not be downloaded. No idea how
> many.)
>
>
> Greetings,
> Jörg
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jumpy Mouse behaviour

2017-02-22 Thread Peter Kovacs


Hello all,

The mouse behaviour is reacting quite jumpy if not set up right.

I had this Problem once on the mac, and I think I resolved it telling 
Open Office not to scroll by lines but by distance.


Anyone has an Idea if I can tell Windows on Opplication base not to 
scroll by lines or something?
I think I did something like this. But I am unsure... (And if so it 
might be on an older Open Office Version. My Mac is from 2009.)


All the best
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recently opened files change max entries

2017-02-10 Thread Peter Kovacs


Hello all,

https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/FAQ/General/I_need_to_see_more_than_the_default_4_items_on_the_list_of_recently_opened_files._How_do_I_achieve_this%3F

Offers a way to manipulate the amount of entries that are shown under 
the Menu Files - > recently opened files.


I cant find the Common.xcu in my user folder.

So how it is done nowadays?

Shouldnt we add the option to the menu. It sounds so simple.


All the best

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Re: Bugzilla refreshness

2017-02-09 Thread Peter Kovacs

Ohh I did not see this. I will use this reason  IRREPRODUCIBLE more often!
Thanks Markus for pointing out.

Marcus <marcus.m...@wtnet.de> schrieb am Do., 9. Feb. 2017, 19:36:

Am 09.02.2017 um 03:20 schrieb Peter Kovacs:
> Can we rename the Status "Not an Issue" to "is not reproduce able"?
>
> I would also suggest to add a reason that expresses that this report needs
> to be adressed on user channels first.

we need this status to express that the reported issue is really not
related to OpenOffice.

There is already the resolution "IRREPRODUCIBLE" for what you want to
express. Together with a meaningful comment as reason it should be enough.

> I think this nameing would carry more the message that we accept the users
> problem as such, but we have difficulties to help.
>
> Not an Issue has the feeling of We do not want to help you, even if this
is
> not true.

Maybe, but then it was not the right choice. ;-)

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OO Build Guide Fedora

2017-02-10 Thread Peter Kovacs


Hello all,

I am looking at 
https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Building_Guide_AOO/Step_by_step#Build_Instructions


Especially the Fedora part. We have here parts regarding 10,14,19, 21. I 
have downloaded from the Fedora Page Version 25, and Installed it in a VM.


Cant we move all Sections into one generic Fedora guide?

I am a bit buffeled that is so different.


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Re: recently opened files change max entries

2017-02-10 Thread Peter Kovacs


Hi Matthias,

Thanks for your Brainstorm.
I checked and if you select an Open Document option, and start to type a 
recent document its already autocompleting.


You are suggesting to replace it with a dropdown that shows a filtered 
recent Document list?

Is this what you are suggesting?

All the best
Peter


On 10.02.2017 23:42, Mathias Röllig wrote:

Hello!


I think the number of entrys should be configurable in the settings.


If you thinking in this direction I have also a suggestion.

I have the “Load URL” field visible inside the Standard tool bar. This 
have many advantages:

1. A very longer history.
2. AutoCompletion for URLs. (directories/file)
3. Because under Ubuntu it is impossible to open files by dragging it 
from the file manager to the title bar (like under Windows), I can 
drag the file to the URL field and hit [Enter].


But I have a wish for this:
It would be very(!) nice if I could begin to write a filename and the 
URL field would suggest/list the hits in the history.




I also often move my files after editing.
When I click on the list of recently opened files most of them are not
accessible any more.


For the URL field I wish it like in firefox:
scroll to the desired entry and press ([Shift]+)[Del].

http://kb.mozillazine.org/Deleting_autocomplete_entries

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Re: Cygwin, OpenOffice and autoconf

2017-02-10 Thread Peter Kovacs


Hello,

maybe the path not set?

can you find the autoconf command in the bin folder?


Best

PEter


On 10.02.2017 23:39, Richard Stuppi wrote:


Hello,

I am attempting to build OpenOffice on a Windows 10 machine using the 
instructions at:


https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Building_Guide_AOO/Step_by_step#Windows_7.2C_Windows_8.1.2C_Windows_10

When I get to the section titled “Run autoconf to create the configure 
script” I get the following error:


bash: autoconf: command not found

I selected the autoconf package during the initial Cygwin installation.

Any ideas?

Thank you,

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Re: recently opened files change max entries

2017-02-10 Thread Peter Kovacs

Okay, I opened up a "meta" bug, which gives me an Overview of what there 
is to do on the Recent Document side open. It contains our Ideas, plus 
Stuff I have found on Bugzilla.


If you go thruogh the points, I think Recent Document List has much 
potential for Improvement.


127321 <https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=127321>




On 10.02.2017 21:36, Matthias Seidel wrote:

Hi Peter,

I think the number of entrys should be configurable in the settings.

I also often move my files after editing.
When I click on the list of recently opened files most of them are not
accessible any more.
A way to delete them separately from the list would be good!
At the moment only the whole list can be deleted.

Regards, Matthias


Am 10.02.2017 um 21:25 schrieb Peter Kovacs:

Hello all,

https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/FAQ/General/I_need_to_see_more_than_the_default_4_items_on_the_list_of_recently_opened_files._How_do_I_achieve_this%3F


Offers a way to manipulate the amount of entries that are shown under
the Menu Files - > recently opened files.

I cant find the Common.xcu in my user folder.

So how it is done nowadays?

Shouldnt we add the option to the menu. It sounds so simple.


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Re: recently opened files change max entries

2017-02-11 Thread Peter Kovacs


Hello Matthias!

I thought about this a little. I think to mix up both behaviours is not 
simple anymore for users. I dislike the implicity of the approach. For a 
new user it is not transperent that OpenOffice will take the recent 
document into account.

I think we should stick with a transparent approach.

what I could imagine would be a virtual folder Recent documents, that 
would contain a list with all entries from recent document List. You can 
work with this folder and search as you are used to.
However that is then not part of the recent Document list rework 
anymore, but an overhaul of the Open Item, where we also have to think 
about cloud working as you have pointed out.

So I would not like to mix both topics, even if they are related.


All the best.
Peter


On 11.02.2017 10:11, Mathias Röllig wrote:
Not really. In a Linux/Unix system a path always begins with / (in 
Windows with :\).


So my proposal is:

1. The behaviour of now (leave it unchanged):¹
If one type the beginning of a path → autocompletion.
Please consider that you can change the offer with cursor up/down.
Example: If you write »/D« AOO completes to »/Documents« 
with »ocuments« highlighted. Press [↓] it will change to 
»/Downloads« with »ownloads« highlighted. Or open ([Alt]+[↓]) 
the dropdown list with the matching paths/filenames.
Select the desired folder with [↓]/[↑] and press [→]. Repeat until you 
have selected the right file and press [Enter].



2.  Additional(!) behaviour (wish):
If one type the beginning of a filename (without any path 
identification) /then/ there should open a dropdown with the matching 
/filenames/ from the history.

Example: If you write »m« open a list with
|/minions.odt
|/minions2.ods
|/my file1.odt
|[…] aso.
With the next letter the search will refined.
With [↓]/[↑] one can go through the list and press [Enter] for the 
selected entry. Or simply click on it with the mouse cursor.



Number 1 works (as I know) only for the file system.
Number 2 respects all protocols (http, ftp, …) you have used and which 
are in the history.



Regards, Mathias
¹ At the moment there seems to be a bug.
If one types the beginning of a path and one afterward delete this 
input, the history doesn't come back – there stays the list with the 
matching paths/files.


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Reported conflict between Apache Open Office 4.1.3 and BetterSnapTool

2017-02-14 Thread Peter Kovacs


Hello list,

Hello Andreas Hegenberg,


we got a report about a conflict between the 2 in subject named Aplication.

please see https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=127324

I have no glue about this. So link the list in.

@Andreas. can you get Open Office from our side and check if you can 
reproduce the bug?


It would be interesting to know if this is replicating. Would be super 
cool if you could support in this.



All the best

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Re: download of software and back up

2017-02-16 Thread Peter Kovacs


Hi Vl

In Order to avoid missunderstandings.

Apache Open Office does not provide back ups for Microsoft Office.

We do provide an alternate solution to Microsoft Office.

You can download Apache Open Office from http://www.openoffice.org/

There is no key or what so ever needed to make use of the full 
capability of the suite.



Please note despite you can use all functionality of Open Office, we 
rely on voluntary help of the Product.


So any improvements are dependant on the voluntary help of its 
community. So I personally do not like to call the suite free.


But the price is felxible and depends on how you want to support the 
community.



If you tell us the language you nativly speak we can provide you maybe a 
link in your mother tongue.



All the best

Peter


On 16.02.2017 07:52, Vl l wrote:

Hi I was told thtat your company handles back ups and download of software
I lost during the crash trying to recover word, excel,power point access
all on mac for free. Thats what I was told you pprovide if I have a key.
What key is it? what is thekey and where do i find it. I own my notebook
and is noe registered to me. So what do I have to do to get the back up in
place and what do you need so I can download the softrware I need for free?
please le me know vladimir lopoyan 415 8711426  or via email
vl41...@gmail.com Thank you
vl




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Re: Documentation needs

2017-02-15 Thread Peter Kovacs

I learned on Fosdem from the pro documenters to stick to
# use case oriented approach. ALWAYS.
# never start with index
# set the possibility to provide feedback as low as possible.
# and only describe how it is done
# don't use insiders.

>From this perspective I'd start with an FAQ. And then continue what users
ask on Facebook or in Forums. And link that back.
Also to take Forum answers and put them into a nice way would be a good
approach.

For technical stuff I think we should tacle this, from tech to tech.

For the German comments you could use Google translate or use our
translation bug.
I lost sight of it thought :)

My 2 cents
Peter

Jörg Schmidt  schrieb am Mi., 15. Feb. 2017, 18:44:

> > From: Keith N. McKenna [mailto:keith.mcke...@comcast.net]
>
> > [knmc]
> > I do not read German, but from the looks of the ProOO-Box
> > page above, it
> > appears that the documentation is based on the work of the OOoAuthors
> > Group and as such would most likely be under the CC-BY license.
> > [/knmc]
>
> Yes.
>
> Specifically, the material is double-licensed, either GPL 3 (or later
> version) or/and CC BY 3.0 (or later version).
>
>
> Jörg
>
>
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gnu make port and the build.pl script

2017-02-15 Thread Peter Kovacs


Hello,

will we get rid of the build.pl script once the gnu make port is over?

just asking, because I then I dont start debugging the script. I have 
realy strange issues.


I run into an compile error with build --all.

Then I switch into the module start again build --all and the module 
builds and delivers flawlessly.


It is very strange behaviour.

Included that the Script produces different results at each run, does 
not give me confidence.


I would very much decomission this perl build tool all together.


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Re: Community building: give our User a chance to contribute!

2017-01-21 Thread Peter Kovacs

Thanks Dave and Dennis for the explanations. I did not consider it this way.
I hope I did not upset you in any ways. I am sorry, I have started to talk
ahead without profound research. I will have to think about it.
This might sound strange but I agree with you.

@Dave can you name one of this group you refer to?

I would like to learn how they have build their project organisation. If
they have such structures they might be close to what AOO needs.

Also I will check out the mailing list. Maybe I can get an insight on how
community build within Apache Foundation is done. I think I have the wrong
picture here.

And while I am at it, is there a picture how our community currently works?

Thanks for all your time. I appreciate you efforts!

All the best
Peter

Dennis E. Hamilton <orc...@apache.org> schrieb am Sa., 21. Jan. 2017, 02:20:

> Dave Fisher has posted a valuable comment while I was writing this.  I
> completely support his views on this topic.
>
> In addition, it seems to me that you propose a change in how the ASF
> itself works.
>
> This is not the place to do that.
>
> I suggest you take such discussion to the d...@community.apache.org
> mailing list.
>
> In addition, even though there is a complaint about it such thing, this
> proposal is also a case of wanting someone [else] to do something.  That
> will never get anywhere here.
>
> Any collection of funds for targeted purposes and then commitments to
> delivering on those targets is *not* going to happen here.  That is a
> business activity, whether or not there is profit.  Members of the ASF
> board have already stated while that will not be done.
>
> More in-line.
>
> Again, I do not speak for the ASF or the AOO PMC.  I do notice that,
> although members of the PMC have also participated in this list discussion,
> I see no consideration on the part of the PMC itself.
>
>  - Dennis
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Peter Kovacs [mailto:legi...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Friday, January 20, 2017 16:16
> > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> > Subject: Re: Community building: give our User a chance to contribute!
> >
> > Hmm, the discussion moves in a wrong direction, with wrong assumptions.
> > I am against a status quo solution. For me status quo directly transfers
> > to nothing happens.
> >
> > I am not talking of creating one Investor that provides Money. I aim at
> > mobilizing as much as possible Open Office users has as Investors.
> >
> > What I propose is a open crowd infrastructure. I do not believe Apache
> > is capable of this, today. I do believe this is a near future, game
> > changing model in general.
> >
> >
> > For me the model should respect:
> >
> > # Fundraising itself is neutral (i.e. funds are not raised for
> > developers but for tasks / actions)
> >
> > # nonprofit (Funds are not ment to provide any profit to the
> > organisation itself and are bound by activity. investor decided on.)
> [orcmid]
>
> The ASF is not *just* a non-profit organization.  It is a *charity*.  As
> part of being a charity, there is no "investor," only contributors, and
> contributors might be able to target contributions to some area, there will
> not be delivering activities chosen by investors.  It is unimaginable.  You
> have to find a means that does not involve the ASF or any ASF project in
> such an arrangement.
>
> >
> > # Openess of the Infra (other Apache Project have acces to the same
> > infra if they whish.)
> [orcmid]
>
> Now you are proposing a different support and arrangement of Apache
> Infrastructure.  That is too ill-defined and would not be the prerogative
> of a PMC anyhow.
> >
> > # Openess in the community ( the funds on a task is open to all
> > commiters if they manage to satisfy the requirement for a payout.)
> [orcmid]
>
> Again, this is not going to happen.  It is a form of commerce and the ASF
> considers this to be completely incompatible with its charter and mission
> in everything I can find.
> >
> >
> > This is just a rough outline, so you understand the direction (vision) I
> > am thinking. Also please note that a lot question have to be answered.
> > This is maybe 1% of a business plan.
> >
> > I try to make a graph on the weekend. However I am not sure if I manage
> > this on the weekend. (Thats why I have asked Raphael to give his
> > vision).
> >
> >
> > I do not see any reason why this cannot be done by Apache itseslf. Also
> > One or more 3rd Party supplier can provide the Infra in full or in
> > parts. For me this question is an issue we need to deal with at a later
> >

Re: recently opened files change max entries

2017-02-11 Thread Peter Kovacs

you have a newer Version then this one?
http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/en/project/HistoryMaster

At least thats what I linked into the Wiki.

I am not sure about the extension. It is not configurable. I think the
most important point is the config Option.

But it could be a starting point.

On 11.02.2017 12:53, Pedro wrote:

On 11/02/2017 11:09, Mechtilde wrote:

For your information:

there is an add-on for this behaviour already.

In fact the History Master extension (which is no longer available for
download because it was hosted on a personal page) does many of the
actions requested in this thread.

The question is: shouldn't the features included in History Master be
incorporated into AOO?

Pedro

P.S. Here is a link to the latest (final?) version stored by me in
Owncloud

https://cloud.openmailbox.org/index.php/s/hqsqmWF9GBzHUdq

Am 11.02.2017 um 05:26 schrieb Peter Kovacs:

Okay, I opened up a "meta" bug, which gives me an Overview of what
there is to do on the Recent Document side open. It contains our
Ideas, plus Stuff I have found on Bugzilla.

If you go thruogh the points, I think Recent Document List has much
potential for Improvement.

127321 <https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=127321>

On 10.02.2017 21:36, Matthias Seidel wrote:

Hi Peter,

I think the number of entrys should be configurable in the settings.

I also often move my files after editing.
When I click on the list of recently opened files most of them are not
accessible any more.
A way to delete them separately from the list would be good!
At the moment only the whole list can be deleted.

Regards, Matthias

Am 10.02.2017 um 21:25 schrieb Peter Kovacs:

Hello all,

https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/FAQ/General/I_need_to_see_more_than_the_default_4_items_on_the_list_of_recently_opened_files._How_do_I_achieve_this%3F

Offers a way to manipulate the amount of entries that are shown under
the Menu Files - > recently opened files.

I cant find the Common.xcu in my user folder.

So how it is done nowadays?

Shouldnt we add the option to the menu. It sounds so simple.

All the best

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Re: recently opened files change max entries

2017-02-11 Thread Peter Kovacs

Okay, thats a shame. The Extension is as Pedro claims taken down.

There is a reported working link in Bugzilla. The Bug is about getting a
access to the wiki...

I deleted the mail by accident, and I dont know which one it is ...

sorry. Maybe later I check the online Archive.

On 11.02.2017 13:11, Peter Kovacs wrote:

you have a newer Version then this one?
http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/en/project/HistoryMaster

At least thats what I linked into the Wiki.

I am not sure about the extension. It is not configurable. I think the
most important point is the config Option.

But it could be a starting point.

On 11.02.2017 12:53, Pedro wrote:

On 11/02/2017 11:09, Mechtilde wrote:

For your information:

there is an add-on for this behaviour already.

In fact the History Master extension (which is no longer available
for download because it was hosted on a personal page) does many of
the actions requested in this thread.

The question is: shouldn't the features included in History Master be
incorporated into AOO?

Pedro

P.S. Here is a link to the latest (final?) version stored by me in
Owncloud

https://cloud.openmailbox.org/index.php/s/hqsqmWF9GBzHUdq

Am 11.02.2017 um 05:26 schrieb Peter Kovacs:

Okay, I opened up a "meta" bug, which gives me an Overview of what
there is to do on the Recent Document side open. It contains our
Ideas, plus Stuff I have found on Bugzilla.

If you go thruogh the points, I think Recent Document List has much
potential for Improvement.

127321 <https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=127321>

On 10.02.2017 21:36, Matthias Seidel wrote:

Hi Peter,

I think the number of entrys should be configurable in the settings.

I also often move my files after editing.
When I click on the list of recently opened files most of them are
not

accessible any more.
A way to delete them separately from the list would be good!
At the moment only the whole list can be deleted.

Regards, Matthias

Am 10.02.2017 um 21:25 schrieb Peter Kovacs:

Hello all,

https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/FAQ/General/I_need_to_see_more_than_the_default_4_items_on_the_list_of_recently_opened_files._How_do_I_achieve_this%3F

Offers a way to manipulate the amount of entries that are shown
under

the Menu Files - > recently opened files.

I cant find the Common.xcu in my user folder.

So how it is done nowadays?

Shouldnt we add the option to the menu. It sounds so simple.

All the best

Peter

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Re: Short news video about Apache OpenOffice

2017-02-13 Thread Peter Kovacs


Good Job Raphael.

Thumbs up! :-)



On 13.02.2017 10:35, Raphael Bircher wrote:

Hi Jörg

Am .02.2017, 09:11 Uhr, schrieb Jörg Schmidt :


Hello,


From: Raphael Bircher [mailto:rbircherapa...@gmail.com]



Hi all

I've done a short news video about our project. Just want to
inform you.
https://youtu.be/9P-Hww7K-eQ

Feel free to give me feedback.


I like it, but your Swiss English is a little bit original ;-)


I know ;-)



Of course you can share it if you want ;-)


If it is not so much work, create a German version and we can link it on
http://www.openoffice.org/de/.


Should be less work as the English one ;-)

Regards, Raphael





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Re: Community building: give our User a chance to contribute!

2017-01-18 Thread Peter Kovacs

Star Citizen proofed that a community can follow developers intend and
raise the money needed.
Even if we can not use the business model, we can learn something from
their communication model they have developed.

Also what becomes clear to me is that we can not operate with a single
entity. If I consider that we need to position us global right from the
start, this is not so bad.

Maybe it would be better if we lay out a white paper on some model. Then we
talk about this. We can then check for concerns. Note them down and find a
solution for it.
@Raphael do you like to write your idea in a document? I think we have a
similar idea. Maybe I can put my idea as variation suggestion next to it
afterwards.
Then we can see if we can refine the document.
I think we need to focus on reaching a goal somehow, this discussion
dissolves somewhat because we focus to much on the ASF and bugs. Then on
goals concepts and stuff.

When we have a clear view, we can reach out to the ASF and hear their
concerns, update the concept based on their feedback. I assume this way we
will find a solution that works for everybody.

In Germany it is said that to lay out a business model takes 8 -16 month.
So IMHO we have time, does not need to be perfect.

All the best
Peter

Dennis E. Hamilton  schrieb am Mi., 18. Jan. 2017, 17:36:

>
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Raphael Bircher [mailto:rbircherapa...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2017 21:36
> > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> > Subject: Re: Community building: give our User a chance to contribute!
> >
> > Am .01.2017, 05:31 Uhr, schrieb Dennis E. Hamilton :
> >
> [ ... ]
> >
> > I personaly don't believe in that model for Apache OpenOffice. There is
> > no
> > need for a customized version of Apache OpenOffice. And the people who
> > fork, do it normaly to have there own product. They don't want to
> > upstream. But Yes, it is one model, who exist within ASF. Not that I'm
> > completely against this way... If someone finds a way, to generate money
> > to contribute back, it would be nice. But I don't think it's the right
> > way.
> >
> > I'm more with the payed feature model
> [orcmid]
>
> That was also discussed - creation of an external organization that would
> arrange paid features and contribute to Apache OpenOffice.  That must be
> external to ASF.  And either (1) there are AOO committers who participate
> in both or (2) AOO committer and PMC must accept the changes and the AOO
> project incorporates features in AOO releases.
>
> So the feature organization would need to be able to do everything but
> make distributions to provide tested, quality features.  Or have AOO
> committers in the feature organization to work on feature branches of AOO
> SVN.
>
> In all cases, there must be *no* payment process or fund-raising process
> that involves the ASF.  That is key requirement #1.  I see that Bertrand
> Delacretaz has provided a good answer about this on
> d...@community.apache.org.
>
> AND
>
> The greatest barrier of all is key requirement #2: finding already-capable
> OpenOffice developers who have the capacity and willingness to do such
> work.  The fees that an OpenOffice features organization would pay must be
> enough. Someone with the required at-hand skills can already earn $100,000
> per year and more (in US), with all benefits available where they work.  I
> do not know comparable salaries in EU.  I believe it is still expensive in
> terms of how much money feature-organization must raise.  Also, providing
> contract agreements for performance of feature delivery is also complicated.
>
> There is a great misunderstanding in the user community of how much
> feature development costs using developers with professional, at-hand
> skills.
>
>  - Dennis
>
> >
> > >
> > > We can dig up that conversation if you like.
> > I would be interested, where the discussion ends ;-)
> >
> > Regards Raphael
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Re: Community building: give our User a chance to contribute!

2017-01-17 Thread Peter Kovacs

If a member can not collect for the hole project, I think the ASF should
do. That would be the simplest solution.
Can we ask the ASF what they think? Are they against a simple OpenOffice
development specific fund?
After all this is a end user product, not some IT component.

Maybe we think and speculate to much, and should talk with the ASF first,
asking them for help.

After all the donation text does not sound like ASF is against something
like this.
And they have seen what it means if no core team is availabe.

I guess they are open for ideas.

Jörg Schmidt  schrieb am Di., 17. Jan. 2017, 11:44:

> Hello,
>
> > From: Raphael Bircher [mailto:rbircherapa...@gmail.com]
>
>
> > > Team OpenOffice was such a project. The participants were mainly
> > > experienced OpenOffice developers from SUN Microsystems.
> > I think, the real problem there was this text
> > http://www.opensourceforbusiness.info/openoffice-org-droht-das-aus/
>
> Yes you are absolutely right.
>
> But I do not see any great difference to my links.
>
>
> > The only restriction the ASF have is, that you can not
> > collect money in
> > the name of a project as a third party.
>
> This is not the whole truth. Also as an Apache member, I can not collect
> donations
> for Apache OpenOffice and this is a very real problem, because almost
> nobody of
> the OO used for Apache generally donate, for AOO concretely many would
> donate.
>
> > And Apache itself
> > does not found
> > defelopment.
>
> And that's imho bad. Where would the problem be if the users voluntarily
> donated
> and OO with these donations further developed?
>
> I can not see a reasonable reason why I, as a project member, are forced
> to act
> separately when it comes to donations instead of within the project itself.
> It would be better for me to act within the project, because any activity
> outside
> weakens, indirectly, the project as such.
>
> > But you can collect money for Features or major bugfixes as a
> > third party.
>
> Yes we can. But I believe that this is a fragmentation of the forces and
> would
> rather be done within the project.
>
>
> Greetings,
> Jörg
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Re: Community building: give our User a chance to contribute!

2017-01-19 Thread Peter Kovacs

Dennis, I agree that the PMC has to take the discussion in the end. 
However for me as a noob, the PMC is a Part of the ASF.
I also agree on the beeing specific part. Thats why I would like to have 
better layout, because I believe that centers the discussion more 
solution finding.


This is also a topic that in my eyes is a PMC core point. We have a 
unique Community structure, because a lot of our community are none IT 
knowlegeable folks.
And currently we do only little work in community building. Plus we 
realy suck from the dev side in communicating with our community.


I personally do not care so much if we have 100 entities following up on 
the goal.
But in my eyes we need a way to ensure project health and turn towards 
the community we have. We were last year at the edge of project 
retirement. We are slowly fighting our way out by pure voluntary work of 
people that belive in the market name Open Office.
How long can we keep this up? Especially with the constant annoyance of 
Libre Office shooting at our faulty structures.
We need ways to build strebgthen our core, and that goes beyond what we 
do now. How we can achieve this I do not know.


I think LibreOffice are to a certain degree correct. The ASF is not 
capable to do the Project Open Office at this Point. The structure of 
Libre Office is a much more healthy one for the kind of Project 
Libre/Open Office is.
However I think we can build a similar powerfull structure if not more 
powerfull. At the same time we must walk in Sync with the ASF.


This is what the Discussion is all about. If we move in the wrong 
direction, please suggest a better one.


At least this is my view on the topic. I declare also that I personally 
have no interest in payed dev work. I switch my employee soon, and my 
future employee restricts my codeing work towards my contract with the 
ASF. I am currently enjoy more freedom. I am doing this out of love 
towards Open Office. I say this so no one gets the wrong thoughts.


All the best
Peter

On 19.01.2017 17:14, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:

I have comments in-line.

Also, let us speak of chicken and egg.

I observe that the Board and the Offices of ASF do not wish to deal with hypothetical 
cases.  Exceptions must be specific and actionable.  Also, exceptions do not create 
precedents.  If one project sees something they want as exception for them, they must 
create specific exception of their own.  (AOO has exception for bundling some writing 
tools in binaries only, not in source code, because licenses are incompatible.  It is 
very specific and not a precedent for other projects. When details of another exception 
are worked out, it is often revealed that the cases are not the same. The ASF avoids 
common risk of others seeing more "precedent" for their case than there 
actually is.)

It seems to me that if there is a request for some sort of external 
relationship(s), the external parties must already exist and be prepared to 
provide detailed agreement on how it will partner with AOO project in a way 
that preserves the principles and purpose of the ASF in how AOO participates in 
the arrangement.  This is not hard.

I do not think making exceptions about hypothetical arrangements and then 
seeking external parties will work.

That is why it may be better for external party to be created first, operating 
as good downstream citizen, before requiring anything of the AOO PMC and ASF 
Board.  Ideally, no significant attention will be required.  The only thing 
external entity cannot do, and PMC would have to intervene, is make use of 
Apache trademarks in other than allowed ways.  Since it is not proposed that 
the external entity release any software product, this should be agreeable.

Also, the external party should not promise others that requested features will 
be incorporated in AOO in the manner they desire.  They will never have the 
authority to control AOO project actions, even though by mutual work, there may 
often be good alignment.

Only my thoughts, not thoughts from any PMC or Board discussion.

  - Dennis


-Original Message-----
From: Peter Kovacs [mailto:legi...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2017 23:08
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org; orc...@apache.org
Subject: Re: Community building: give our User a chance to contribute!

Star Citizen proofed that a community can follow developers intend and
raise the money needed.
Even if we can not use the business model, we can learn something from
their communication model they have developed.

Also what becomes clear to me is that we can not operate with a single
entity. If I consider that we need to position us global right from the
start, this is not so bad.

Maybe it would be better if we lay out a white paper on some model. Then
we talk about this. We can then check for concerns. Note them down and
find a solution for it.
@Raphael do you like to write your idea in a document? I think we have a
similar idea. Maybe I can p

[discussion] OO development next steps

2016-09-11 Thread Peter Kovacs


I am sorry for the chaos. I changed the Topic.

On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 7:36 AM, Patricia Shanahan > wrote:


In the short term, we are preparing release 4.1.3. We need to get all 
the changes checked in. After than, the more building and testing the 
better.
I prepare to be ready to testbuild OO. And I prepare some tests based on 
the 4.1.3 marked Issues.



On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 7:36 AM, Patricia Shanahan > wrote:


There is an ongoing activity that needs good user skills without 
requiring immediate programming: Monitoring bug tracking at 
https://bz.apache.org/ooo/. Each new bug report needs to be tested to 
see if it reproduces. If there is insufficient information to 
reproduce it, the bug report needs a comment saying so and requesting 
additional information. If you can reproduce a bug you can do as much 
analysis as you have time for.

Okay will try to confirm some bugs and start with rated P1 Defects ones.

On 11.09.2016 16:49, JZA wrote:

Bare in mind most of AOO is based on C++ code. So this would be most 
of the actual development time. There are many bugs that have been 
documentated, so before squashing them, you should read the wiki and 
also consult the list for possible outdated documentation. This is one 
of the biggest hurdles to get really into AOO.
I checked today the Wiki. It was very confusing to me. "Development" 
seems to think more on Extending OOo in the sense of an Extension. It is 
not so much focusing on OOo Code itself. So I am not sure what you refer 
to JZL. Is there any Layer or architectural description on the C++ code 
on the Wiki?


All the best

Peter

All the best

Re: I want to support OO development

2016-09-11 Thread Peter Kovacs

sure. One step after another.

Thanks the welcome :-)

On 11.09.2016 16:49, JZA wrote:
Bare in mind most of AOO is based on C++ code. So this would be most
of the actual development time. There are many bugs that have been
documentated, so before squashing them, you should read the wiki and
also consult the list for possible outdated documentation. This is one
of the biggest hurdles to get really into AOO.

On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 7:36 AM, Patricia Shanahan <p...@acm.org
<mailto:p...@acm.org>> wrote:

Welcome aboard!

On 9/11/2016 3:40 AM, Peter Kovacs wrote:

Hello Open Office Dev Community,

Dennis E. Hamilton forwarded my message to this list. Thank
you for this
activity. I was in the opinion that I have no time and
therefore can not
join the list or help.
However OpenOffice devlopment is on my mind for a complete
week now. So
I decided I free up time and will focus on developing for
Apache Open
Office.
The activity of freeing up time is not that easy, and I am
still working
on it. So for starters I will use 4h per week for OO trying to
move up
to 8h.
However I have to solve some other topics for this.

Whatever time you can spend will be useful and valued.

...

Long story short. I know
# a lot of languages badly
# a language that is itself a mess.
# how to development in crappy envoirments.

I value
# maintainability
# necessary documentation
# comments
# smart easy to use code.

I would privatly like to achieve to improve
# build times
# maintainability

In the long term, work on the build system would be extremely
valuable. That would make it easier to convert initial interest to
long term contributions.

In the short term, we are preparing release 4.1.3. We need to get
all the changes checked in. After than, the more building and
testing the better.

I made some changes recently to the step-by-step instructions for
Windows,

https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Building_Guide_AOO/Step_by_step#Windows_7.2C_Windows_8.1

<https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Building_Guide_AOO/Step_by_step#Windows_7.2C_Windows_8.1>.
They should be tested by building on a machine that has not
previously been used to build OpenOffice.

There is an ongoing activity that needs good user skills without
requiring immediate programming: Monitoring bug tracking at
https://bz.apache.org/ooo/. Each new bug report needs to be tested
to see if it reproduces. If there is insufficient information to
reproduce it, the bug report needs a comment saying so and
requesting additional information. If you can reproduce a bug you
can do as much analysis as you have time for.

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[Issue 123308] [Discuss] Close Issue 123308

2016-09-13 Thread Peter Kovacs


Hello all,


The Case:

The reporter reports that shortcuts has been changed not by him. He 
added a Document with hebrew letters. Later a screenshot was added by 
the reporter that prooves that the shortcuts has been changed.


The possible Issue:

What i can make out is that the Shortcuts have been changed for unknown 
reason.



My conclusion:

This bug refers to 3.4.0. Could not get confirmation until today. I 
tried with 4.1.2 on Mac. And failed too. In order to corner this 
Incident more closely we need more information. I doubt anyone knows 
what happened after so longtime.


I would like to close this Issue, in combinaton with a comment to kindly 
ask in case this problem persists in an actual version, to file a new 
bug or reopen this bug. Not sure which process the project prefers.



At least I would like to downgrade the P1 Priority since this is no show 
stopper, more a shadow hunt.


What are your thoughts?

All the best

Peter


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Can not change anything with basic userrights?!

2016-09-13 Thread Peter Kovacs

cool! I would do work on Bugs today, it is just that I have the 
following permission bits set on legi...@gmail.com:


# registered-user

# All registered users


Can I get more userrights because I do not have any dropdowns ;)

Something a developer can has would be great. :-D

Or what is the process for that?


All the best

Peter




On 13.09.2016 21:32, Marcus wrote:

Am 09/13/2016 09:14 PM, schrieb Peter Kovacs:

Hello all,


The Case:

The reporter reports that shortcuts has been changed not by him. He
added a Document with hebrew letters. Later a screenshot was added by
the reporter that prooves that the shortcuts has been changed.

The possible Issue:

What i can make out is that the Shortcuts have been changed for unknown
reason.


My conclusion:

This bug refers to 3.4.0. Could not get confirmation until today. I
tried with 4.1.2 on Mac. And failed too. In order to corner this
Incident more closely we need more information. I doubt anyone knows
what happened after so longtime.

I would like to close this Issue, in combinaton with a comment to kindly
ask in case this problem persists in an actual version, to file a new
bug or reopen this bug. Not sure which process the project prefers.


IMHO:

- Write that the issue is still (with 4.1.2) not reproducible
- The reporter should try to reproduce with newest release
- We need more information: only with this document?, also in
  Calc/Impress/Draw?, also on Windows/Linux if available?

And then close the issue.

You don't need to mention that an issue can be reopened or filed new. 
This is done anyway when the users want to say/want more. ;-)



At least I would like to downgrade the P1 Priority since this is no show
stopper, more a shadow hunt.


Yes, use P5 and Normal as these are the default values.

Marcus

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Re: Can not change anything with basic userrights?!

2016-09-13 Thread Peter Kovacs


Bugzilla has a own definition on immediate. ;)

I am determind to code. So what ever you think i n eed I take. Relax. :-D

We can adjust as needed. I am fine with that.

I start with issues confirmation because someone suggested it is a good 
point to start.


So I will try to cofirm bugs and look for some codeing task that fits to 
my skills. *muscleflex*


Expect me to put my nose everywhere where it does not belong and steer 
in things no one wants to touch!


This sounds realy good. Work has no challenge in this direction atm. :-D 
(Hope one no one is frightend by now)



All the best

Peter

On 13.09.2016 21:49, Marcus wrote:

Am 09/13/2016 09:42 PM, schrieb Peter Kovacs:

cool! I would do work on Bugs today, it is just that I have the
following permission bits set on legi...@gmail.com:

# registered-user

# All registered users


Can I get more userrights because I do not have any dropdowns ;)

Something a developer can has would be great. :-D


yes, that's right. More permissions can help. ;-)

I've granted you the "qa-team" permissions which should be valid 
immediately. Please tell me if something more s needed.


Marcus




On 13.09.2016 21:32, Marcus wrote:

Am 09/13/2016 09:14 PM, schrieb Peter Kovacs:

Hello all,


The Case:

The reporter reports that shortcuts has been changed not by him. He
added a Document with hebrew letters. Later a screenshot was added by
the reporter that prooves that the shortcuts has been changed.

The possible Issue:

What i can make out is that the Shortcuts have been changed for 
unknown

reason.


My conclusion:

This bug refers to 3.4.0. Could not get confirmation until today. I
tried with 4.1.2 on Mac. And failed too. In order to corner this
Incident more closely we need more information. I doubt anyone knows
what happened after so longtime.

I would like to close this Issue, in combinaton with a comment to 
kindly

ask in case this problem persists in an actual version, to file a new
bug or reopen this bug. Not sure which process the project prefers.


IMHO:

- Write that the issue is still (with 4.1.2) not reproducible
- The reporter should try to reproduce with newest release
- We need more information: only with this document?, also in
Calc/Impress/Draw?, also on Windows/Linux if available?

And then close the issue.

You don't need to mention that an issue can be reopened or filed new.
This is done anyway when the users want to say/want more. ;-)

At least I would like to downgrade the P1 Priority since this is no 
show

stopper, more a shadow hunt.


Yes, use P5 and Normal as these are the default values.


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[discussion] Where to talk about Issues?

2016-09-12 Thread Peter Kovacs


Hi,


If I would like to propose some action on a specific Issue, which 
mailing list do i reach out to?



all the best

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Re: I want to support OO development

2016-09-13 Thread Peter Kovacs

I live near Frankfurt. However I travel a lot. Most often because of
business.
Where do you live. I can notify you if I am nearby for a Greets  :)

All the Best
Peter

Jörg Schmidt <joe...@j-m-schmidt.de> schrieb am Di., 13. Sep. 2016, 08:28:

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>
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>
> > Hello Open Office Dev Community,
> > ...
>
>
> welcome to OpenOffice
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I want to support OO development

2016-09-11 Thread Peter Kovacs


Hello Open Office Dev Community,

Dennis E. Hamilton forwarded my message to this list. Thank you for this 
activity. I was in the opinion that I have no time and therefore can not 
join the list or help.
However OpenOffice devlopment is on my mind for a complete week now. So 
I decided I free up time and will focus on developing for Apache Open 
Office.
The activity of freeing up time is not that easy, and I am still working 
on it. So for starters I will use 4h per week for OO trying to move up 
to 8h.

However I have to solve some other topics for this.

I worked for the last 10 Years as a BI specialist consultant with focus 
on a language called SAS. I am experienced SQL Scripter.
In my last project I had to take over a simple .net Program because the 
originated Programmer could not be further payed.
I wrote once a Java Application in order to give a customer an easy tool 
to verify the Outcome of a delivery.

I even had to document a COBOL Programm once.
My Diploma thesis involved a webapp Application written in php and perl 
(ver. 5).

I was messing around with python for a while and I am a big fan of Ceylon.

And most important since my study times I now and then mess around with 
c++. I am a big fan of Bjarne Stroustrup " A tour of C++" and still 
trying to understand Alexandrescu " Modern c++ design"

So I hope no one minds if I try to utilize this knowledge.

I am long time user of Open Office and its derivate Libre Office. So I 
am quite proficient with it as a user. (However I have to admit I am 
latly useing mostly Microsoft products due business focus.)
I am german nativ speaker, with acceptable english skills. And I have 
some crappy hungarian skill. ;)


I even have a "build experience" of Open Office. Back in 2005 (I think) 
I was a big fan of Gentoo. I even build Open Office from source code. It 
just took me 11h compile time on a Athlon XP System. Which was the 
longest compile effort I had to wait for back then. lol! (The credits go 
to the awesome Gentoo distribution, my effort was only the patience to 
wait that the update finishes.)


Long story short. I know
# a lot of languages badly
# a language that is itself a mess.
# how to development in crappy envoirments.

I value
# maintainability
# necessary documentation
# comments
# smart easy to use code.

I would privatly like to achieve to improve
 #  build times
 #  maintainability

This is my 3rd Open Office Project I was involved.
# piArmada I want to produce a follow up version. But I lack the skills, 
and it is hard to build skill alone.
# AutoRealm, I supported a redevelopment a little bit. However I did not 
feel very comfortable due to my rather low c++ skill.


My suggestiones I send to Dennis are still valid for me. They should 
give orientation what I prefer, but I think I am the Noob here, and it 
is not my place to decide. Maybe when I have manged to build some 
reputation I will bring one or the other topic up.
Reference: 
http://www.mail-archive.com/dev@openoffice.apache.org/msg28377.html


I use Arch Linux on an ASUS Ultrabook which is my devlopment machine, 
since it has the best hardware.

I own a macbook air from 2009  and Windows 10 on a desktop system.

So I suggest I start with trying to buid OO on the Mac. See how this 
goes. I had the impression this could be a quick win for the project and 
a good entry point for me.

If someone has a different Idea, I am open for discussion or swap focus.

So Here I am at your service. :-D
I am looking very much to code with you.

All the best.
Peter

Re: [discussion] Where to talk about Issues?

2016-09-13 Thread Peter Kovacs

Thanks for the info.
I do not want to rampage through bugzilla and close/reject Issues because I
think they are rubbish.
Rubbish means I can not define the next action to proceed.
So better discuss this first, and check for other opinions.

All the best
Peter

Dennis E. Hamilton <dennis.hamil...@acm.org> schrieb am Mo., 12. Sep. 2016,
23:56:

> If you are offering to take action on a specific Issue, do so on the
> Issue.  If you want discussion of a proposal to act, or you want a patch or
> solution reviewed, do that here on dev@, pointing to the Issue.
>
> If you are requesting that someone else do something, here at dev@ is as
> good a place as any.
>
> There are two important things to keep in mind:
>
>  1. Voting has no weight.  It is informative, as is all of the comments
> about how something doesn't work.
>
>  2. Action is entirely by volunteers who have the capacity, capability,
> and will to carry out some action.  The developers who work on something
> are self-selected.
>
> There is no organization or management or executive structure to have it
> be otherwise.  That does not mean others can't discuss.  It is just that
> the only action occurs the way I describe.
>
>  - Dennis
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Peter Kovacs [mailto:legi...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 14:24
> > To: dev <dev@openoffice.apache.org>
> > Subject: [discussion] Where to talk about Issues?
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> >
> > If I would like to propose some action on a specific Issue, which
> > mailing list do i reach out to?
> >
> >
> > all the best
> >
> > Peter
> >
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[Discussion] Office Architecture

2016-10-05 Thread Peter Kovacs


Hello all,


I am trying to understand the Architecture of OO. And i have a bit 
difficults to this. Mainly because I am Data Driven programmer (I suck 
when i have to write a gui), and the approach taken seems a GUI driven one.


So from hat I understand is, that on the Low lever we have "Primitives". 
Those Primitives are not an abstract view of Code, but already Graphical 
representations. (I found references from UNO to AWT. So I assume this.)


From these Primitives OO tailors an Abstract Toolset, called Framework 
which then get implemented into the Application like Writer or Calc etc.


Is this fundamental Idea of the Architecture correct?


Thanks

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Re: {Dicuss] [Vote]

2016-10-07 Thread Peter Kovacs

Cool 22h utca is more then enough for me I hope.

Marcus <marcus.m...@wtnet.de> schrieb am Fr., 7. Okt. 2016, 01:08:

> Am 10/06/2016 11:45 PM, schrieb Peter Kovacs:
>
> > I can only make some time for testing on the 8th Okt.  Is that okay if I
> > take my vote on this last moment?
>
> of course, that's the advantage of the time frame. Take your time.
>
> Marcus
>
>
>
> > Keith N. McKenna<keith.mcke...@comcast.net>  schrieb am Do., 6. Okt.
> 2016,
> > 19:48:
> >
> >> Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote:
> >>> On Wed, Oct 05, 2016 at 08:10:40PM -0700, Patricia Shanahan wrote:
> >>>>> Ariel;
> >>>>>
> >>>>> In all the builds that I have been involved in with AOO we have
> >> included
> >>>>> a link to a Bugzilla query for all bugs fixed by that release.My
> >> concern
> >>>>> was 2 fold. One that it would give a wrong impression to anyone that
> >>>>> followed the link and the second was to try to keep Bugzilla up to
> >> date.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If it is possible we should construct a query that excludes anything
> in
> >>>>> Product = Build Tools for the Release Notes.
> >>>>
> >>>> I think calling out the important stuff directly in the release notes
> >> but
> >>>> providing a Bugzilla link that shows everything, including tools, is a
> >>>> reasonable compromise. However, I am very open to suggestions for
> >> improving
> >>>> the release notes.
> >>>
> >>> IMO yes, there should be a link to the bugzilla query, but it does not
> >>> make sense to mention those build-related bugs individually.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Regards
> >>>
> >> I agree there is no need to highlight those types of bugs individually.
> >> I will remove the individual mention of them from the 4.1.3 Release
> Notes.
> >>
> >> Keith
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Re: [VOTE] Release Apache OpenOffice 4.1.3 RC1

2016-10-08 Thread Peter Kovacs

+1
I have installed binary 4.1.3-rc1 de Version on OSX El Capitan.
Check the general functionality on the writer module. And checked issue
12662 base not open tables and queries in Mac OSX.
I have opened a empty document in all other modules.

Jose R R  schrieb am Sa., 8. Okt. 2016, 17:05:

> On Wed, Oct 5, 2016 at 2:07 PM, Patricia Shanahan  wrote:
> > The Apache OpenOffice 4.1.3 source and binaries,
> > https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openoffice/4.1.3-rc1/, contain
> > several bug fixes. See the draft release notes at
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+4.1.3+Release+Notes
> >
> > Please vote on releasing it as 4.1.3 by replying to this thread
> >
> > [ ] +1 Approve, with description of any testing you have done
> > [ ] 0 Abstain
> > [ ] -1 Disapprove, with explanation.
> >
> > In addition, if you are a PMC member please indicate "Binding" if you
> intend
> > to cast a binding vote, which requires a build and test from source.
>
> +1 Approve
>
> I initially downloaded ApacheOO 4.1.3 RC1 binary DEB for Linux on
> AMD64; successfully installed into Debian Sid for AMD64; and used
> OpenOffice 4.1.3 RC1 normally without apparent issues.
>
> Subsequently, I built several iterations of ApacheOO 4.1.3 RC1 from
> svn in my daily Debian Sid AMD64 development environment; thus,
> generated OpenOffice 4.1.3 RC1 DEB and RPM packages, with en-US, ru, &
> de languages, on my own -- which I installed successfully on target
> Linux distributions and I am using right now.
>
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Re: Re: In regards to Open Office

2016-10-08 Thread Peter Kovacs




On 04.10.2016 22:04, Hagar Delest wrote:


Le 04/10/2016 à 06:50, Peter Kovacs a écrit :
ODF has a better trancperency then OOXML. But beeing open we need to 
embrace and value both formats.




My fear is: if AOO exports in OOXML (as LibO does), what will happen 
to ODF?
You seem to like the way ODFormat is defined. I think we should support 
you and offer you the choice for various options on this file format.
Maybe something a compatible ODF definition towards MSO, so you are safe 
that you MSO buddy can exchange documents with you.

Or offer you ODF 1.2 standard. So you feel more home and save.

But what is with Bill Pate, who has done a lot of work, and is looking 
atm for a different tool.
He has fear that all his work is lost or unsuable of sorts when he 
imports to Open Office. Or maybe his work is lost after a while he finds 
out he misses MSO so much he wants to return.
We should also try to answer towards his fear. (please note I assume 
here something, but the assumption is for makeing a position clear not 
for anything else.)


See I want to stay open. That means I work into the direction that 
supports your requirement and to Bill Pate requirement. Giving both of 
you the maximum of choice that is possible to provide with the available 
ressources.
This is a huge maybe impossible challenge. But I have some Ideas. Still 
looking what Open Office already implements of them and what has to be 
improved. And I will not manage to deliver on time atm. But I hope I 
find support. In you and others that are interested in OO.
Openess incorporates for me /*Liberté, Égalité, Fraternité*/. Not fully 
supporting OOXML means giving up on Égalité. Not accepting the Users 
requirements is against my whish for Fraternité.
For me there is a political dimension in joining Open Office. And also 
imortant one in this times.


"The World could use more Heros." - Tracer, Overwatch, Blizzard

8)

I am sorry for drifting into idological point of view, but it explains 
my feelings pretty well. IMHO this is more an emotional thing then 
technical thing.

Re: [Proposal] Publish Apache Open Office on the apple store.

2016-10-09 Thread Peter Kovacs

Yes I agree signing the package for our users would be a good step, while
the app store is the next step in this topic.

Matthias Seidel <matthias.sei...@hamburg.de> schrieb am So., 9. Okt. 2016,
00:41:

> +1
>
> Maybe this would be something for long-term?
>
> But what about getting a Developer ID from Apple to get rid of the
> gatekeeper-messages?
> A lot of traffic on the user-mailinglist is from people who think they
> can not install AOO on MacOS because of that...
>
> https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202491
>
> regards
>
> Matthias
>
>
> Am 09.10.2016 um 00:14 schrieb Jan Høydahl:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I’m afraid we need a lot of changes to the software to comply with the
> sandboxing policy of the Appstore, see
> >
> https://developer.apple.com/library/content/documentation/Security/Conceptual/AppSandboxDesignGuide/MigratingALegacyApp/MigratingAnAppToASandbox.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP40011183-CH6-SW1
> <
> https://developer.apple.com/library/content/documentation/Security/Conceptual/AppSandboxDesignGuide/MigratingALegacyApp/MigratingAnAppToASandbox.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP40011183-CH6-SW1
> >
> > But Collabora has done it for LibreOffice “in a few months", so it
> should be possible… Now you find LibreOffice Vanilla and NeoOffice on the
> AppStore. It would be great to find Apache OpenOffice as well!
> >
> > --
> > Jan Høydahl, search solution architect
> > Cominvent AS - www.cominvent.com
> >
> >> 4. okt. 2016 kl. 07.32 skrev Peter Kovacs <legi...@gmail.com>:
> >>
> >> Hello all,
> >>
> >> I would like to propose to publish _Open Office_ as _Apache Foundation_
> on the Apple store.
> >>
> >> I am always dissapointed when I see some unknown developer publishes
> Open Source, and the Project itself is not present.
> >> Afaik this costs money (99$/year).
> >> Here is a blog post that explains the details what is involved as
> effort:
> >> https://www.raywenderlich.com/127936/submit-an-app-part-1
> >>
> >> Does the Apache Foundation allow this?
> >> What does such a move involve on our side?
> >> Where can we get the money from?
> >> Do we want to do this on a general thought?
> >>
> >> I would volunteer as a Apple Store publisher, if it comes down for
> volunteers who do it.
> >> But I think this is only the last piece to think about.
> >>
> >> all the best
> >> Peter
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Re: I think we need a press release for AOO 4.1.3

2016-10-09 Thread Peter Kovacs

+1 for press release +1 for translation.

Jörg Schmidt  schrieb am So., 9. Okt. 2016, 10:48:

> > From: Jörg Schmidt [mailto:joe...@j-m-schmidt.de]
>
> > You (Marcis) ...
>
> Sorry, I meant:
>
> You (Marcus) ...
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Re: [Proposal] Publish Apache Open Office on the apple store.

2016-10-09 Thread Peter Kovacs


Thanks for the insight.


On 09.10.2016 17:54, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
So this is not impossible, but probably a prerequisite will be to sign 
MacOS X packages with a signature that Apple (to be precise, 
Gatekeeper) recognizes as valid. I have no idea on what this entails. 
The ASF has a signing solution (from Symantec) available, but if I 
recall correctly it does not apply to Mac, only Windows. I can 
double-check but, due to a long history of misunderstandings and 
unfulfilled promises between OpenOffice and ASF Infra on this, I'd 
like to be sure that we are serious about getting this done before 
proceeding.


I agree. This is a complex topic with a lots of possible 
missunderstandings if not spoken clearly.

I would like to see the old communication. Was the dev mailinglist involved?

What kind of seriousness do you need?
Like I volunteering to drive this in a civilised provesional mannor 
would be sufficient for you?

Or should we do a vote?

In case of a vote, I would prepare all the facts I can find. So everyone 
can have at least a summary what we are heading towards before proceeding.

Of course this will take a bit. Since I am not Quick :-D.

All the best
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Re: Become the IMAP client for documents [Re: Differentiate or Die]

2016-09-20 Thread Peter Kovacs

Yeah I mean weird.

Xen <l...@xenhideout.nl> schrieb am So., 18. Sep. 2016, 15:17:

> Peter Kovacs schreef op 18-09-2016 5:38:
>
> >> I don't know how much can be gained by simply using an alternative
> >> that is in essence, the same kind of program. I still won't have cloud
> >> access and will be far away from using something like Google Drive or
> >> OneDrive.
> > btw. have you tried dropbox?
> > they have an official Linux client.
>
>
> I wouldn't really ever feel safe with Dropbox.
>
> That's just disaster waiting to happen, in a way.
>
>
>
> > I recommend the documentary: indi games: the movie. Gives you an Idea
> > on why people do wired things.
>
> You mean weird?
>
> I am not really talking about those kinda guys. I am really talking
> about games that have no market at all. Downloading the film though.
> When Diablo II was released it was not a many-million-dollar budget
> game. Of course they had professional musicians and all of that.
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Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Recommend Marcus Lange (marcus) as the New Vice President for Apache OpenOffice

2016-09-20 Thread Peter Kovacs

I am looking also forward to work with everybody. I voted to show my
interest in AOO but I am new and I did not feel I can vote now.
Still I am super excited!

Marcus <marcus.m...@wtnet.de> schrieb am Mo., 19. Sep. 2016, 21:05:

> A big thank you to all of you for your votes, that you are putting your
> trust in me.
>
> However, I'm especially happy about the amount of votes (regardless of
> where in the ballot the cross was made). For me this should clearly show
> that the interest of a healthy Apache OpenOffice is still of a big
> interest. Now it also depends on all of us to fill this interest with life.
>
> I'm happy to go on to work together with you. :-)
>
> Marcus
>
>
>
> Am 09/19/2016 06:11 PM, schrieb Dennis E. Hamilton:
> > [BCC to PMC]
> >
> > The [VOTE] to recommend Marcus Lange (marcus) as the New Vice President
> for Apache OpenOffice has passed.
> >
> > Tally
> >
> > +1 Jan Høydahl
> > +1 Dennis E. Hamilton
> > +1 Gavin McDonald
> > +1 Herbert Duerr
> > +1 Patricia Shanahan
> > +1 Louis Suárez-Potts
> > +1 Mechtilde Stehmann
> > +1 Stuart Swales
> > +1 Kazunari Hirano
> > +1 Dr. Michael Stehmann
> > +1 Carl Marcum
> > +1 Andrea Pescetti
> > +1 Jörg Schmidt
> > +1 Olaf Felka
> > +1 Dave Fisher
> > +1 Dave Barton
> > +1 Regina Henschel
> > +1 Ariel Constenla-Haile
> > +1 Roberto Galoppini
> > +1 Phillip Rhodes
> > +1 Keith N. McKenna
> >
> >  0 Marcus Lange
> >  0 Peter Kovacs
> >
> > 21  +1 Approvals
> >  2   0 Abstentions
> >  0  -1 Disapprovals
> >
> >
> > I will submit the resolution to the Board of the Apache Software
> Foundation for consideration at the Wednesday, 2016-09-21 meeting.
> >
> >   - Dennis
> >
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:orc...@apache.org]
> >> Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 08:36
> >> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> >> Subject: [VOTE] Recommend Marcus Lange (marcus) as the New Vice
> >> President for Apache OpenOffice
> >>
> >> [BCC to PMC]
> >>
> >>  RESOLUTION: That Marcus Lange (marcus) be recommended to the
> >>  Apache Software Foundation Board to serve as Vice President
> >>  for Apache OpenOffice.
> >>
> >> The Vice President for Apache OpenOffice serves in accordance with and
> >> subject to the direction of the Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the
> >> Foundation.  The Vice President for Apache OpenOffice is the Chair of
> >> the OpenOffice Project Management Committee.
> >>
> >> Please vote by reply to this dev@-list thread on approval of the
> >> resolution.
> >>
> >>   [  ] +1 Approve
> >>   [  ]  0 Abstain
> >>   [  ] -1 Disapprove, with explanation
> >>
> >> This is a procedural vote and a majority of binding votes is sufficient
> >> to carry the resolution.
> >>
> >> Please do not do anything but [VOTE] (with any -1 explanations) on this
> >> thread.
> >>
> >> To discuss this vote or the process, please use a [DISCUSS][VOTE] reply
> >> rather than discussing on the [VOTE] thread.
> >>
> >> The [VOTE] will conclude no sooner than Monday, 2016-09-19T16:00Z.
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Re: 4.1.4 Release Manager?

2016-09-17 Thread Peter Kovacs

Hmm, does anyone know an artist that has some time and can draw a splash 
screen?
I would love to see the next edition Called 4.1.3 Phoenix addition, And 
I would love to see a Splashscreen that shows an Phönix carry the AOOo 
Logo upward.
That would make a statement. Actually thinking of it, if this is liked 
by the community I would pledge 50 Euro for an acceptable artwork (means 
liked by AOOo. If this is dev or all involved we could discuss.).

Haha.

for the followup release I would stay with 4.2.0 as the /life, the 
universe and everything Version of OOo. I actually like that too much./


5.0.0 I would like to have for something moonshot like. I have fear you 
will hate me for what I have in mind, because this is a meocratic 
Project, and stuff. I did not came around yet to read what Jörg send me 
for reading to understand you guys more. Hope I manage later to day.
But I would call the 5.0.0 Version Sun. Which is also a great Wordgame 
for something that has been moonshoted and if you look at the history of 
OO. As Splash I would suggest the Logo with a sun corona.
This would be so super cool. I would also pledge some money here for 
an artist, if the Community agrees. Haha!




On 16.09.2016 20:11, Marcus wrote:

Am 09/16/2016 02:07 PM, schrieb Jörg Schmidt:

From: Jim Jagielski [mailto:j...@jagunet.com]



Any real reason to name it 4.2.0 ?


Two years of miscellaneous changes and fixes, a radically

improved build system, unit tests at build time, updates of a
lot of libraries, support for new languages, new
translations, new dictionaries... if this is not 4.2.0 it
should be named 5.0.




That was kind of my thoughts... or maybe call it 4.5.0

The idea is to represent the "re-charged" AOO project with
a meaningful change in version.


OK, an idea which I understand.

But one could, in this context, not to think about a completely 
different way of

naming?

(a)
What if we took us Ubuntu as an example?

Ubuntu 4.16 is called "Xenial Xerus" and AOO 4.2 or 4.5 or 5.0 (and 
so on) might

be called "Lively Phoenix"? (just an example)


as an addition to the numbering schema this could work. Then we can 
give the release a special touch/meaning/expression or whatever is 
best for the respective release time frame.



(b)
Or you choose a more formal type of label them.
OK, "AOO XP" would probably not so great, but what would be, for 
example, with

"AOO NE" (for new experience)?


From the view point of a normal user I find it confusing as there is 
no comparsion pattern and you don't know what was first and was next.


I think that the reason that Microsoft has come back to numbers for 
the versioning schema. I don't see any need to go their way, make the 
same experience and come back to the numbers.


So, please no version numbering with words/text only.

Marcus

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Re: Become the IMAP client for documents [Re: Differentiate or Die]

2016-09-17 Thread Peter Kovacs


On 17.09.2016 17:10, Xen wrote:


I had not known about it, so thank you.

I am not impressed with its looks, but they don't feature large size 
screenshots, so I don't know.
you are welcome. I was also not impressed. the last writing tool that 
impressed me was Scribus. However that tool is really bad with tables.

[...]
I don't know how much can be gained by simply using an alternative 
that is in essence, the same kind of program. I still won't have cloud 
access and will be far away from using something like Google Drive or 
OneDrive.

btw. have you tried dropbox?
they have an official Linux client.


Migrating to a non-prominent tool for me is never a very appealing 
thing. It's the same with computer games: there are a 100.000 of them 
but only a few that really appeal. The "no name" or "B-brand" computer 
games generally are not that interesting and I wonder why companies 
even *try*. If you do something, at least try to be the best, and 
don't just copy what another has done in the hopes of some success.


With computer games, this is often shown with the lack of creative story.
I recommend the documentary: indi games: the movie. Gives you an Idea on 
why people do wired things.

I believe Open Source as such has no Market interest. They exist as
long as someone has the Code. Development is not the main focus.


That almost sounds like it is just a storage place for projects, a 
dump place of sorts, where projects can retire ;-).

I am sure Oracle had the same thought. ;-)

All the best.
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Re: 4.1.4 Release Manager?

2016-09-19 Thread Peter Kovacs

The idea for the Phönix Motiv is ment as a statement. And IMHO has most
drama on 4.1.3 release.

Today Xing (Germans linkid social media ) posted the article from ZDF.de
(Germans 2nd state TV station) about the upcoming death of open office.
Referring Dennis email about the idea of retirement for open office as
upcoming result.

The arguments were:
No update
Outdated developer plan
Only 6 active developers
Dropping user numbers
Dennis mail of retirement  (that it is a discussion point is briefly
ignored)

But true, maybe it is not worth the attention ^^

Patricia Shanahan <p...@acm.org> schrieb am So., 18. Sep. 2016, 14:34:

>
>
> On 9/18/2016 12:14 AM, Marcus wrote:
> > Am 09/18/2016 07:45 AM, schrieb Peter Kovacs:
> >> Hmm, does anyone know an artist that has some time and can draw a splash
> >> screen?
> >> I would love to see the next edition Called 4.1.3 Phoenix addition, And
> >> I would love to see a Splashscreen that shows an Phönix carry the AOOo
> >> Logo upward.
> >> That would make a statement. Actually thinking of it, if this is liked
> >> by the community I would pledge 50 Euro for an acceptable artwork (means
> >> liked by AOOo. If this is dev or all involved we could discuss.).
> >> Haha.
> >
> > a new splash screen would be indeed cool. But for a bugfix release? No,
> > let's do this art work for 4.2.0. Then we will have more time for ideas,
> > too.
>
> I agree. We have enough to do for 4.1.3 just dealing with build
> glitches. Let's keep the bugfix point releases to fixing bugs, and go
> splashy with the next feature release.
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Re: 4.1.4 Release Manager?

2016-09-19 Thread Peter Kovacs

I do not know. How much time there is for one to do. I have to ask people.

Marcus <marcus.m...@wtnet.de> schrieb am Mo., 19. Sep. 2016, 19:36:

> Am 09/19/2016 08:27 AM, schrieb Peter Kovacs:
> > The idea for the Phönix Motiv is ment as a statement. And IMHO has most
> > drama on 4.1.3 release.
> >
> > Today Xing (Germans linkid social media ) posted the article from ZDF.de
> > (Germans 2nd state TV station) about the upcoming death of open office.
> > Referring Dennis email about the idea of retirement for open office as
> > upcoming result.
> >
> > The arguments were:
> > No update
> > Outdated developer plan
> > Only 6 active developers
> > Dropping user numbers
> > Dennis mail of retirement  (that it is a discussion point is briefly
> > ignored)
> >
> > But true, maybe it is not worth the attention ^^
>
> the attention should come from the release itself. Sure a nice picture
> looks always good. Do we have one? Can you do it? Can we get it fast? I
> think not. ;-)
>
> Therefore I don't want to wait for this.
>
> Marcus
>
>
>
> > Patricia Shanahan<p...@acm.org>  schrieb am So., 18. Sep. 2016, 14:34:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> On 9/18/2016 12:14 AM, Marcus wrote:
> >>> Am 09/18/2016 07:45 AM, schrieb Peter Kovacs:
> >>>> Hmm, does anyone know an artist that has some time and can draw a
> splash
> >>>> screen?
> >>>> I would love to see the next edition Called 4.1.3 Phoenix addition,
> And
> >>>> I would love to see a Splashscreen that shows an Phönix carry the AOOo
> >>>> Logo upward.
> >>>> That would make a statement. Actually thinking of it, if this is liked
> >>>> by the community I would pledge 50 Euro for an acceptable artwork
> (means
> >>>> liked by AOOo. If this is dev or all involved we could discuss.).
> >>>> Haha.
> >>>
> >>> a new splash screen would be indeed cool. But for a bugfix release? No,
> >>> let's do this art work for 4.2.0. Then we will have more time for
> ideas,
> >>> too.
> >>
> >> I agree. We have enough to do for 4.1.3 just dealing with build
> >> glitches. Let's keep the bugfix point releases to fixing bugs, and go
> >> splashy with the next feature release.
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Re: Become the IMAP client for documents [Re: Differentiate or Die]

2016-09-17 Thread Peter Kovacs


Hello


I have a question.

I dont know the Open Document Foundation. But maybe they work on it. I 
mean they forked from Oracle OpenOffice because they were frustrated 
that the errors were not fixed.


I personly do not know, but I would not be surprised if Apache 
Foundation as the successor to Oracle has not has such structures. I 
think classic way is within Apaches Foundation that they cooperate with 
one or more  interst groups (free devlopers, communities, cooperations / 
Companies) that has an interest in development of the Product. With this 
method different Companies can cooperate in order to achieve their 
individual goals and save money with synergy. Can someone maybe enlight 
this point? Am I right?


So the question is which Structures does Apache Open Office offers to 
users?



Xen are you willing to pay a sum in order to get a fullfillment of your 
needs? - Or is it more important to you that the feature you need 
already exist?


(Maybe WPS is a good alternate to you then. I read in the german Linux 
magazin (I think latest edition) that they are pretty stable and quite 
good on working with docx.)



I believe Open Source as such has no Market interest. They exist as long 
as someone has the Code. Development is not the main focus.


All the best.

Peter

On 16.09.2016 13:40, Xen wrote:

Phillip Rhodes schreef op 08-09-2016 22:18:

So anyway, just wanted to seed this discussion and hopefully provoke 
some
serious thinking around this.  Let's think hard about what we want to 
be so

that
we can easily say "Why develop/use AOO instead of X?" type questions.


I just wanted to take this opportunity to voice my ideas again ;-).

I will keep it short this time.

I am a user who is disgrunted by both the features and stability of 
LibreOffice and probably also OpenOffice, since many features are the 
same. One important feature for me is a GOOD undo facility and both 
products don't have it, because they don't store, or merge, block 
level undo's resulting from typing. In mostly any editor I can go 
infinitely into the past as I undo stuff but in OO and LO it is 
limited to a few sentences at most.


Last time this happened I swore to never use LO again and started 
using Google Docs.


The only reason I am not using Microsoft Office (365) now is that 
there is no Linux variant of it.


Given these flaws and failings for me (and sometimes LO just crashes 
and takes your work with you and it is unrecoverable) and given the 
fact that I think OO looks outdated (on Linux), I would have ventured 
in the past that these were the most important things for me:


* I do not want to be exclusively dependent on the ODT format editors 
anymore
- In Windows I have much better fonts available (or more of them) than 
in Linux
- Even Google Docs just has much better fonts than Linux and it even 
has the Linux fonts, so there you ahve that.


* I would like AOO (or anything) to be a glue between the platforms. 
Cloud is becoming very important or is already so. Being able to 
reference documents on Google Drive can be important. Being able to 
reference documents on Microsoft OneDrive can be important.


- Google Docs natively saves.. or ehm, downloads, documents in .docx, 
but can also process .odt, I believe. So in order to stay relevant you 
must focus, for instance, on perfect interoperability between AOO and 
the .docx that result from Google Docs.


- Since there is no Microsoft Office client on Linux, and neither do 
they have an online editor, it becomes product to become that client 
to Microsoft OneDrive that can also edit or save in .docx format. Now 
there are a few meagre solutions for using OneDrive on Linux, but it 
is not much.


Suppose AOO had its own OneDrive client plugin? That you could use AOO 
to browse and modify, load and save, documents on OneDrive?


Just the same as that Microsoft Office would do, is what I mean. Just 
become cloud-ready. Just allow a person to save on OneDrive.


* Fix the OpenOffice looks (at least on Linux). That black hard shadow 
behind the "page" is not good enough anymore. Make sure it looks nice 
enough and start with that thick black border.


Google Docs works awesomely if a bit slow (due to the internet 
connection) and you can't do everything you can do in a regular editor 
(particularly positioning and such things) (and you can only choose a 
few font sizes) but in general (apart from not being able to actually 
manually really save stuff) the editing experience is much nice than 
either OpenOffice or LibreOffice. And it's just a new product, right.


It's not perfect but looks much better than anything else I've seen 
and you don't run the risk of losing your content, that I constantly 
have with LibreOffice/OO.


I have probably lost important court battles due to LibreOffice.

So I will say 3 things:

- fix the looks
- interoperate with OneDrive and Google Drive if possible (OneDrive 
more important) and ensure perfect compability with these

Re: Issue 63419 - New dialog control property Multiline has bad name in IDE

2016-10-03 Thread Peter Kovacs

Well, I would like to check first if the report is an issue or not. I am
happy with the Answer as is for now.

John D'Orazio  schrieb am Mo., 3.
Okt. 2016, 16:53:

> >
> > does someon know where to find the IDE dialog Properties panel?
> >>
> >
> > Create a new dialog in the Basic IDE or open an existing dialog. (Please
> > note that the dialogs that comes with AOO are loaded in read-only mode.
> So
> > you don't can open the properties for a control.)
> > Select a control and open the properties for it.
> >
> I believe he is referring to the source code, to fix a bad string. He is
> asking, if I understand correctly, which module in the source code is used
> for building the AOO dialogs...
>
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Re: [DISCUSS] 4.1.4 Release Manager?

2016-10-03 Thread Peter Kovacs

+1 :)

Keith N. McKenna  schrieb am Mo., 3. Okt. 2016,
18:09:

> Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote:
> > On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 03:58:11PM -0700, Patricia Shanahan wrote:
> >> There are now release blocker requests for 4.1.4, so we need a release
> >> manager to decide on them.
> >
> > If nobody steps in, and/or nobody has any objection, you can count with
> > me.
> >
> >
> > Regards
> >
> +1 here also
>
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Re: [Noob] Code question

2016-10-02 Thread Peter Kovacs


Awesome!!!

Thanks a lot Patricia. For the link and the definition.

:-D


On 02.10.2016 21:58, Patricia Shanahan wrote:

Here's an answer to part of your question.

On 10/2/2016 9:49 AM, Peter Kovacs wrote:
...

What does SAL NO VTABLE mean? Is it macro code?

...

It's time to start using the OpenOffice OpenGrok at 
http://opengrok.adfinis-sygroup.org/source/


(Or use find and grep in combination, but that takes longer).

Searching for SAL_NO_VTABLE as a Definition in the trunk shows that it 
is a #define in main/sal/inc/sal/types.h


Viewing the code in types.h:

314/** Use this for pure virtual classes, e.g. class SAL_NO_VTABLE Foo 
{ ...
315This hinders the compiler from setting a generic vtable stating 
that
316a pure virtual function was called and thus slightly reduces 
code size.

317*/
318#ifdef _MSC_VER
319#   define SAL_NO_VTABLE __declspec(novtable)
320#else
321#   define SAL_NO_VTABLE
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[Noob] Code question

2016-10-02 Thread Peter Kovacs

Hello all.

I am reviewing code whenever I find time.
I find the code sometimes hard to read, due lack of experience with c++.
So I would like to ask if someone can confirm / explain the following
definition to me:
File:  basicmanagerrepository.hxx
Class BasicManager;

Namespace basic {
  class SAL NO VTABLE BasicManagerCreationlistener {
...

Question:
I am irritated by the lonely global class BasicManager.
So the file defines the class global and the other class in the name space
basic? (Both are independent by this definition( not talking about the
implementaition)?
What does SAL NO VTABLE mean? Is it macro code?

You find the file in main/basic/inc/basic

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Bugzilla and User generated content

2016-10-02 Thread Peter Kovacs


Hello all,

there is a Issue Report about adding more templates to Open Office 2.XX. 
Again something thats lingering from ancient times.


I wonder how the Process is for such a thing. It is a voluntary act, and 
in the report the OP offers to help.


Is such a template packaging something we would handle through Bugzilla?


Thanks the clarification :-)

All the best
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Re: In regards to Open Office

2016-10-02 Thread Peter Kovacs

Hi Bill,

According to the german Linux Magazin 09/16 which has tested the import
capabilities of Apache OpenOffice, LibreOffice, softmaker office and WPS,
it depends on your documents. For Apache OpenOffice I found the following:
If you consider the operating system, too. You should make sure that you
install all fonts you used in your documents in order to avoid layout
breaks.

OpenOffice 4.1.2 has problems on the docx format if you use graphics. It
can happen that these graphics are not imported and dissappear.
You could save your writings in this case using the legacy format, however
under certain circumstances OpenOffice treats the pictures differently then
Microsoft and the layout breaks.
The layout difficulties can also happen with tables.

I did not find the time to investigate this further. So I am not sure if we
have development on the mentioned issues already.

I would like to encourage you to try never the less and be careful. Make a
copy of the documents you check and investigate if our project is importing
the document to your satisfaction.
If not we would be happy on feedback for further investigation on our side,
in case of issues.
I will keep an eye for your response and try to help you in a timely
matter. However I do this on my free time.

I understand that this is not the result you are looking for but our
product is not charged through the work that has already done. Our belief
is that only the work that unfinished is worth charging. Currently the only
payment we accept is that you invest your precious time and report your
problems you face at the import to us.

At least that is my current knowledge.
All the best
Peter

Bill Pate  schrieb am So., 2. Okt. 2016, 10:35:

I couldn't find any other email other than this for contact, but I did have
and may still go back to office 365, but my question is, I have collections
of my writings saved at this point after using their set up.  Can Apache
open their Open Office XLM, and do formatting, spell check, page numbering
and have availability to create pdf files from my work, just for starters?


I don't want to download the product if it can't.


Thanks,

Bill

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Re: In regards to Open Office

2016-10-02 Thread Peter Kovacs

You guys now lost me.
A file should have a consistent state independent of the implementation of
the writing software. And we should take care that our implementation leads
to the same positioning on the paper.

The tool that is able to read what is on the market or the next big thing
wins the race. I would like to see that we try to work in that direction.
I mean the operation should be always similar.
In doubt we can offer the user import tools to decide which behaviour he
wants /needs.

Good night.

Xen  schrieb am So., 2. Okt. 2016, 23:25:

> Dennis E. Hamilton schreef op 02-10-2016 23:01:
>
> > It is a misunderstanding to assume that there is some "strict" ODF
> > conformance requirement.  That is factually not the case, nor does
> > anything in the specification require some clear conformance for
> > interoperability.
>
> Exactly the same issue as with DLNA/UPNP as what I mentioned. People
> found that the standard was too loose to really guarantee
> interoperability and some things were optional that were actually needed
> for full functionality as well.
>
> > ODF may simply become whatever LibreOffice
> > does, just proving that any open-format standard can become a silo.
>
> Proving that the application is the focus point and not the format.
>
> > PS: The ODF specification is not tight enough for what many seem to
> > automatically presume.  For a technical analysis of that, I have a
> > free-to-download technical paper that walks through how it goes, with
> > the failures of change-tracking as a case study:
> > .  Click on the title "Tracked Changes" for
> > the free PDF.  Sections 1-2 should make the situation clear enough.
>
> I assume that change-tracking involves the being able to undelete stuff?
>
> There is now a (or was, last summer, a) GSoC project on LibreOffice as
> to that issue.
>
> I saw some of your diagrams. I guess the point was to indicate that the
> cross-line deletes can be done in multiple ways and if two applications
> differ they produce differing results.
>
> It seems so much to me like a ... you might even call it an exercise in
> futility. Getting people to cooperate that all want to do a different
> thing.
>
> The situation is now such that you will not be able to know which ODF
> document was created by what application, and since it is rather
> important to know which one it was, we have a problem here, sir.
>
> Using the same format is now a /hindrance/ rather than a blessing.
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Issue 63419 - New dialog control property Multiline has bad name in IDE

2016-10-03 Thread Peter Kovacs


Hi,

does someon know where to find the IDE dialog Properties panel?

I do not know what the modul udk is?


I am not sure if this became obsolete with time.

all the best
Peter

Re: In regards to Open Office

2016-10-03 Thread Peter Kovacs


+1

exactly, that's what I meant

and a little bit is my opinion also:
MS is not longer a _fundamental_ opponent of free software more

and a very little bit is my opinion also:
MS is one of our "Platinum sponsors" and it is not a good style blindly to 
grumble about MS
  



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[Proposal] Publish Apache Open Office on the apple store.

2016-10-03 Thread Peter Kovacs


Hello all,

I would like to propose to publish _Open Office_ as _Apache Foundation_ 
on the Apple store.


I am always dissapointed when I see some unknown developer publishes 
Open Source, and the Project itself is not present.

Afaik this costs money (99$/year).
Here is a blog post that explains the details what is involved as effort:
https://www.raywenderlich.com/127936/submit-an-app-part-1

Does the Apache Foundation allow this?
What does such a move involve on our side?
Where can we get the money from?
Do we want to do this on a general thought?

I would volunteer as a Apple Store publisher, if it comes down for 
volunteers who do it.

But I think this is only the last piece to think about.

all the best
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Re: In regards to Open Office

2016-10-03 Thread Peter Kovacs




On 03.10.2016 12:14, Jörg Schmidt wrote:

But [MS Office] OOXML is not what we could label a real open

format. There are parts that still refer to proprietary bits.

fud, or show me exactly what parts you mean
Well, I dont know if it is exactly a fud. There is a cornerstone truce 
to this.
Do not forget Microsoft was pretty much surprised by the success of ODF 
specification becoming a public ISO Standard.
Their first definition was hastely published, in Microsoft style. It was 
a agressive reponse. The stake back then was high for both sides. Media 
did support all sorts of sides in this time.
With ODF becoming ISO standard, the doors into US public service were 
open. This was acclaimed as a break of the Microsoft Office monopol.
As much as I remeber the OOXML allows you to add binary files directly 
into the document, which are not further defined. I mean it could be 
anything, and only Microsoft Office did know what it saved in these spots.
So yea the standard could techicly be only a shell and still remain 
intransparent. But IMHO it was only a specification flaw. For OpenSource 
warriors this was of course the invitation battle MS.
I think on Open source front, the success of ODF changed the attitude of 
embracing other Formats.
Before that there was a strong drive to make the Microsoft binary 
formats work. And support to support other Formats. This will dropped 
after the success of ODF.
But with OOXML tied to MS, and OO focusing on ODF the seperation on the 
market was imident, which was bad for bizzness.
So I think it turned a little when Novell (looking back, who had already 
bad experience with a similar situation n the UNIX market ;) ) made the 
cooperation deal with Microsoft to jointly work on both formats.
It is the turning point for Microsoft from fighting open source to 
embrace it.
However I think the bad Karma from the days still sticks for most 
people. Ballmer style just broke to much Glass in his time and MS just 
was to good Empire for the Rebellion.


I do belive that real openess is about choice, not about transparency. 
Transperency is about trust.
ODF has a better trancperency then OOXML. But beeing open we need to 
embrace and value both formats.


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Re: OpenOffice Access to the ASF's,Apple developer account

2016-10-28 Thread Peter Kovacs

*Bump* of thread because of discussion in 
https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=127198


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On 18.10.2016 15:04, Mark Thomas wrote:

On 16/10/2016 17:46, Peter Kovacs wrote:

Hello Infra.


This Thread was: "Code signing available for OpenOffice"

The Project OpenOffice would like to gain access to the ASF Developer
Account.

Please name the requirements the Project has to share with you.

https://reference.apache.org/pmc/appleappstore

Mark



Thank you for your support


All the Best

Peter


On 11.10.2016 14:03, Mark Thomas wrote:

On 10/10/2016 22:34, Andrea Pescetti wrote:

Jim Jagielski wrote:

On Oct 10, 2016, at 2:03 AM, Mark Thomas wrote:
We have separate a service for the Apple app store (and another for
the Google app store).

Could you provide some info (or a pointer to info) regarding the
App-store
service, how it works, how to request access, etc..

Note that the current priority (in case this makes any difference) is to
get a valid signature that will be recognized by Gatekeeper. This is
probably a prerequisite for the App Store, but for the App Store we
would probably need further code changes that may come at a later stage.

I don't think it makes a difference at this point. Access to the ASF's
Apple developer account where we have a signing key for production
applications is governed by the same process.

Note you have the option of using the existing ASF-wide ID to sign the
app or creating a specific OpenOffice ID.

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Re: need help with ASF's,Apple developer account

2016-10-28 Thread Peter Kovacs


*bump* call for help because of issue

https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=127198


On 22.10.2016 07:17, Peter Kovacs wrote:

Hello ,

The given ressource i have no access to.
Can sombody support who has access to the internal Apache stuff and 
check the ressource?


I would like to have access. How ever I am with you only for roughly 
one and a half month.
Talking more then delivering ;) So I am unsure if you trust me enough 
to give me the same.

(hehe. No issues if you dont.)

So I can drive the topic atm further. :)

Thanks the support

All the best
Peter

On 18.10.2016 15:04, Mark Thomas wrote:

On 16/10/2016 17:46, Peter Kovacs wrote:

Hello Infra.


This Thread was: "Code signing available for OpenOffice"

The Project OpenOffice would like to gain access to the ASF Developer
Account.

Please name the requirements the Project has to share with you.

https://reference.apache.org/pmc/appleappstore

Mark



Thank you for your support


All the Best

Peter


On 11.10.2016 14:03, Mark Thomas wrote:

On 10/10/2016 22:34, Andrea Pescetti wrote:

Jim Jagielski wrote:

On Oct 10, 2016, at 2:03 AM, Mark Thomas wrote:
We have separate a service for the Apple app store (and another for
the Google app store).

Could you provide some info (or a pointer to info) regarding the
App-store
service, how it works, how to request access, etc..
Note that the current priority (in case this makes any difference) 
is to

get a valid signature that will be recognized by Gatekeeper. This is
probably a prerequisite for the App Store, but for the App Store we
would probably need further code changes that may come at a later 
stage.

I don't think it makes a difference at this point. Access to the ASF's
Apple developer account where we have a signing key for production
applications is governed by the same process.

Note you have the option of using the existing ASF-wide ID to sign the
app or creating a specific OpenOffice ID.

Regards,

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Re: Writing Volunteer

2016-11-08 Thread Peter Kovacs

Hello Peter

Have you checked out http://openoffice.apache.org/orientation/intro-doc.html
?

All the best
:) Peter

Peter Anton  schrieb am Di., 8. Nov. 2016, 19:54:

> Hi,
> I am an experienced software developer (old school!) and I am interested
> in becoming a technical writer.
>
> I would love to help with any writing tasks for your project.
>
> I am very good at English, and I understand the SDLC.
> I have written many User Guides and IT Procedures too.
>
> I am also trying to volunteer to write API documentation and Readme files
> for other open source software projects.
>
> I am becoming more and more familiar with HTML/CSS/Javascript and JQuery,
> having been on a few courses.
> Please let me know how I can contribute.
>
> Regards,
> Peter
> 07839 201 848
>
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Re: Comments in German

2016-11-09 Thread Peter Kovacs

+1
How will we note that file is occupied or done?

Patricia Shanahan <p...@acm.org> schrieb am Mi., 9. Nov. 2016, 16:04:

See https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=39199

There was an existing, closed, issue for doing it on an undirected basis
for the whole source base, which did not prove practical. I have
reopened it, and modified in the direction of having people request
translation for specific file they are reading.

On 11/9/2016 5:17 AM, Matthias Seidel wrote:
> That sounds like a good idea!
>
> At the times, when StarOffice was a German product no one imagined, that
> the code would be open-sourced... ;-)
>
>
> Am 09.11.2016 um 14:01 schrieb Patricia Shanahan:
>> As a compromise between doing individual comments and doing them all,
>> I suggest some process for nominating files. As part of an effort to
>> turn myself into an AOO code expert, I am trying to read certain files.
>>
>> One possibility is to create a Bugzilla entry "Source code contains
>> comments in German". Those who are able and willing to translate would
>> put themselves on the mailing list for that bug. People like me who
>> could add a comment listing files whose comments we would like
>> translated.
>>
>> On 11/9/2016 2:59 AM, Peter Kovacs wrote:
>>> I can also help with this. I had no issues in understanding most of
>>> them. :)
>>> Maybe we should make a list with files that contain German comments?
>>> Then we can work through them and add a English translation.
>>> I thought that they are so many that no one bothered anymore.
>>>
>>> All the best.
>>> Peter
>>>
>>> Marcus <marcus.m...@wtnet.de> schrieb am Di., 8. Nov. 2016, 21:22:
>>>
>>>> Am 11/08/2016 07:50 PM, schrieb Matthias Seidel:
>>>>> Wouldn't it be better to translate the comments step by step and put
>>>>> them back in the source code (while preserving the original comment)?
>>>>
>>>> when the translation is good then there is no reason to keep it. I
>>>> think
>>>> Mechtilde has the knowledge to know what the comments mean.
>>>>
>>>> But it would be also OK to post them here. We translate it and Patricia
>>>> can put the English comments back to the code. Whatever works best.
>>>>
>>>> Marcus
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Am 08.11.2016 um 19:41 schrieb Mechtilde:
>>>>>> Hello Patricia,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> you can send it to me
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I will try to translate it
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mechtilde
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Am 08.11.2016 um 19:35 schrieb Patricia Shanahan:
>>>>>>> I trying to read some AOO source code. There are few comments, and
>>>>>>> several of the ones I have found are in German, which I don't
>>>>>>> know. I
>>>>>>> have tried running some through Google Translate, but the results do
>>>> not
>>>>>>> make much sense.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is there a translation tool that works better on source code
>>>>>>> comments?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If not, would it be OK to post some here and request translations
>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>> humans who know both German and English?
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Re: Comments in German

2016-11-09 Thread Peter Kovacs

I can also help with this. I had no issues in understanding most of them. :)
Maybe we should make a list with files that contain German comments?
Then we can work through them and add a English translation.
I thought that they are so many that no one bothered anymore.

All the best.
Peter

Marcus  schrieb am Di., 8. Nov. 2016, 21:22:

> Am 11/08/2016 07:50 PM, schrieb Matthias Seidel:
> > Wouldn't it be better to translate the comments step by step and put
> > them back in the source code (while preserving the original comment)?
>
> when the translation is good then there is no reason to keep it. I think
> Mechtilde has the knowledge to know what the comments mean.
>
> But it would be also OK to post them here. We translate it and Patricia
> can put the English comments back to the code. Whatever works best.
>
> Marcus
>
>
>
> > Am 08.11.2016 um 19:41 schrieb Mechtilde:
> >> Hello Patricia,
> >>
> >> you can send it to me
> >>
> >> I will try to translate it
> >>
> >> Regards
> >>
> >> Mechtilde
> >>
> >> Am 08.11.2016 um 19:35 schrieb Patricia Shanahan:
> >>> I trying to read some AOO source code. There are few comments, and
> >>> several of the ones I have found are in German, which I don't know. I
> >>> have tried running some through Google Translate, but the results do
> not
> >>> make much sense.
> >>>
> >>> Is there a translation tool that works better on source code comments?
> >>>
> >>> If not, would it be OK to post some here and request translations from
> >>> humans who know both German and English?
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Re: [Issue 39199] Translate German comments in source codes into English

2016-11-10 Thread Peter Kovacs




On 10.11.2016 19:38, Marcus wrote:

Am 11/10/2016 06:27 PM, schrieb Patricia Shanahan:

Thanks, Marcus. I just updated and reread doc.cxx, the file I'm trying
to understand today. Several of the German comments contained useful
information that I had not been able to guess from automatic 
translation.


absolutely, after I've seen the style of the used formulations I 
thought that this cannot be translated by Google & Co. Not in this 
century. ;-)

+1 to both points.
Comments are pretty slang.



I think we have a good process now.


Just 2 addtions:
- I hope that I've catched all words.
- I've not run a build. So, I hope I've not produced a build breaker
  due to a missing dot, bracket, etc.

Marcus

I screened through the doc.cxx, and it looks good.

1599 
 *if*  ( !pStPage 
  )// dann wars das (meaning: Thats it then) Maybe this line we should fix 
too. Sorry, I still have to setup my svn access which I plan for 
weekend, otherwise I would just enter a translation. Maybe improve it 
too. So maybe someone else can do this? -so we fixed it once and for 
all! Thanks Marcus for the great work :-)!

Re: [Issue58861] Bugzilla too intimidating ?

2016-10-19 Thread Peter Kovacs




On 19.10.2016 12:06, Pedro wrote:

Hi Peter, all

Bugzilla is a technical tool designed by developers for developers.
The simple fact that you need to subscribe to bugzilla is the first 
obstacle to reporting a bug.
As a long time bug reporter I consider that Bugzilla is NOT user 
friendly. It is possibly the most systematic tool available.


I am not aware of any bug tracker system that is user friendly... I 
think that it's not possible to be systematic, concise, accurate and 
friendly at the same time.
Haha, sorry. Thats not my opinion. I am quite content with Bugzilla as 
it is.


What argument would you use to close it? NOT_AN_ISSUE is not true. It 
is definitely not OBSOLETE...
Maybe WONT_FIX with the true argument that the community does not have 
the manpower to switch to another tool.
done. I did not waste a thought on this. For me Not An Issue is as true 
as wont fix. The result is the same. But I think it is also nit picking, 
and wont fix, might be more aceptable then not accepting the issue of 
someone else, i changed it.


I wanted to know in case if there is a change to Jira planned if we want 
this Issue to operate on.
In my opinion a Bug tracker is Dev Space not user space. And even if 
when I try to give a user a satisfactory answer, I am fine if someone 
else gives a non satisfactory answers.

And most Answers we currently close tickets with are none user friendly.

In my opinion it would need a Community team instead of a QA team to 
translate User issues (from a Forum?) into Bug tracker Issues. But we 
dont have that ressources I think. We can only work through the Mess we 
have and see if we find stuff worth solving.
Sorry for the rather negative picture. But I checked and we have 3000+ 
unconfirmed Issues. I will try to help here as much as I can. But I also 
want to develop something. And it is realy not easy if there is the 
thing you want to do in one corner and the thing that makes sense in the 
other corner. This is a bit frustrating Picture for me. :P


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Re: [Issue58861] Bugzilla to intimidating ?

2016-10-19 Thread Peter Kovacs

cool. Thanks the Info. I have closed the ticket with an invite for 
discussion, if there is still need.




On 18.10.2016 19:19, Marcus wrote:

Am 10/18/2016 02:29 AM, schrieb Peter Kovacs:

There is this Bug where people request to make it simpler to file a
Problem...

I dont know. I find it intimidateing to file a bug at all.


Should we close this?

https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=58861


Or would we keep this as a link to maybe switch to Jira. (I personly
prefer Jira over Bugzilla. But I think it is a huge effort to switch the
tracker.)


if and when we are using Jira instead of BZ is totally unclear. So, 
not necessary to keep this issue for this case. As we cannot change 
the issue creation process in BZ we cannot do anything here. So, 
closing this old issue is what I would do.


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Re: Bugzilla scanned by robots for Spam adress

2016-10-19 Thread Peter Kovacs

Thanks, would have closed it sooner but I was awy from Private Computer 
acceess. :)




On 18.10.2016 19:17, Marcus wrote:

Am 10/18/2016 02:24 AM, schrieb Peter Kovacs:

see Bug: https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=62733

Is this still an issue?

i see it more as Infra Issue then as one for Open Office.


also this is an issue from old times. If there are still scans is hard 
to say but no unlikely. I would close it.


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Re: openoffice programming

2016-10-14 Thread Peter Kovacs

  Instead of Languages I rather would like to discuss overall 
architecture. The initial Architecture has not been changed much since 
it was introduced i think.
But over time the requirements I see in the code have changed. Solving 
Requirements with code and without adjusting the architecture leads to a 
certain maintainability decay.


I.E. it looks to me that at first the sw had a document class, and was a 
simple writing app. Then someone had the Idea that features he needed in 
writer, he could use in tables too.
So the UNO Idea was born. But this new feature was only attached to the 
existing architecture. And because Java was the cool thing of its time 
they used it.
Please this is no critic or complain. Just the way I think  the code 
might become what it is today. these things are normal. I see it every day.


For the existing architecture the central thing is in my opinion the 
"framework".
Which melts the document together with the GUI, by using UNO 
architecture. (roughly, may be wrong)
It has various concepts doubled, or distributed through the code. trying 
to package funcionality into small modular "services"



I want to plead for a more natural abstract Architecture approach. Which 
is Modular on a greaterscale, to provide orientation. And being Modular 
on small scale to be as much as possible stay generic. In between we 
need to be concrete and descriptive.


The Core piece for me for a futer possible architecture is an 
UNO::Document. The UNO::Document represents an Abstract view of a 
Document and its components.
And it delivers One Memory implementation for the structure the user 
works on.

That would be for me in a  (not comlete) list:
 # tables
 # paragraph (text)
 # Linked Lists
 # Pictures
 # grahical Items
 # Indexes
 # documents
 # formdefinition
 # Layouts
Which offers one abstract implementation independant of the target 
program (writer, tables, math, base).
Plus haveing one Interface to Manipulate and tracks Manipulations of 
these elements.


Gathering all GUI stuff into a Control Architecture. So we can Produce 
the (G)UI want. (MVC or MV are one of the Buzzwords I think of)
This part can focus on its usage like classic office apps, document 
fabric service, online service, or what else we want to add.
I advise to move over to use Vulcan, HeavyMetal and/or OpenGL as 
graphical render languages in the long run. This might seem to shoot 
with cannons on birds,
but to be honest, modern PC Architecture is based on GPUs and multi 
purpose CPUs, and it is stupid not to use both to show stuff. Makes live 
so much easier, the GPUs do take care of all the stuff we want.
Also Android or iOS architecture can be targeted if we do it right, 
without a big fuzz. However we need to think differently user experience 
on those devices. I think with a Office renderengine we can focus on

this.

Also we should cluster Importers/Exporters into one set. OOXML and 
ODFormat is the same XML Idea.
There should not be the trouble of inventing the wheel all over it again 
and again.
Also data connectivity should be placed here. There should be One 
approach to access or write to Disk, cloud, internet, database.
I would prefer Java here, since it is quite capable of handling XML, 
internet, db and data streams.
Maybe not obvious that I see a database here. For me a DB is never a 
Frontend, only a backend tool. OO is to me a clear Frontend tool.


I would like to cluster is to have One MacroInterface where all 
Languages can attach to.


The only thing this Architecture might be difficult are Extentions. We 
need to think how this has to be handled. Especially with the existing 
stuff around.


I think this aproach is easy to understand even for starters, compared 
to the Architecture currently used. If you think on the details just 
think of components you would expect to drill down in this section.
Also we could start with only clustering the existing code, so we know 
what we look at. I think current Architecture does feature some of the 
layout at least a bit. Then start slowly to change code to honor the 
target architecture more and more. In total I think maybe a bit naive, 
that this way is do able without the need to do it all in one step, and 
beeing able to iterate at a speed we manage.


I want to add I am not completly sure about the current architecture. So 
if I am wrong and my understanding is frawed, please take my apologies.
I wrote the mail because I do not believe in language discussions 
without haveing a architecture discussion first. And so I bring it on 
the table with the preperation state I am in.

It is better to have a bad start then to miss the discussion.
I rather would have liked to check more on current code befor makeing 
proposals which are based upon the Idea what I would like to have in 
order to guide me.


In the end I think even if you like the approach this can only the start 
of an architectural discussion. If you do not like the approach we need 
to sample

reference gcc compiler (wiki - Linux entry)

2016-10-22 Thread Peter Kovacs


Hello all,


I try to build OpenOffice on my machine (yea!)

However when working through the requirements I noticed that

gcc 4.2.3 is the current reference compiler


Since I use Arch (and I expect similar for gentoo) I have GCC 6.2.1 
20160830 installed


I wonder if the release driven Distros are still 2 Versions behind, or 
does this entry need an update?


Which Versions do our build bots use? I think they should be the 
reference or?




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Re: reference gcc compiler (wiki - Linux entry)

2016-10-22 Thread Peter Kovacs




On 23.10.2016 00:29, Andrea Pescetti wrote:

Peter Kovacs wrote:

I try to build OpenOffice on my machine (yea!)


Good!


However when working through the requirements I noticed that
gcc 4.2.3 is the current reference compiler


Where? When you cite the wiki please always send the link, since there 
are a lot of outdated pages that are not marked as such (by the way, 
if you want to help in doing so while you go through the build you are 
welcome; just ask for a MWiki account here on the list in case).

sure. I am sorry I thought its obvious which page I look at.
If I change something depends on the need to do it. I am open for 
helping out on the wiki too. However I personally have currently no 
change I would like to make.



I wonder if the release driven Distros are still 2 Versions behind, or
does this entry need an update?


Give the precise URL and we can take a look. Note: using a search 
engine will often bring you to an outdated page. Always start from 
https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Building_Guide_AOO
My appologies. I thought there is only one build guide - the one you 
mention. And this leads you to the Linux section:

https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Building_Guide_AOO/Building_on_Linux



Which Versions do our build bots use? I think they should be the
reference or?


We build daily snapshots and releases. For daily snapshots we use what 
Infra wants to supply (usually a long-term-support Ubuntu); for 
releases we use our reference baseline (currently CentOS 5, a very old 
distribution; this guarantees that our binaries will run on all 
distributions that are the same age as CentOS 5 or later, so 
practically all Linux desktop machines in use).
I am not sure if I was readable. At least you do not answer my question. 
Please let me refrase:
Should the reference gcc Version mentioned in the wikipage be the same 
that is used in CentOS 5? (In my Opinion yes...)

Which is the GCC Version that CentOS 5 is using ?
:-D
I am sorry. I am sometimes not paying attention what other people read.


Regards,
  Andrea.

All the best
Peter

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gcc 65280 error in icu and xml2cmp

2016-10-23 Thread Peter Kovacs


Hello all,

I have the  persistant issue mentioned in the subject with the icu 
module and the xml2cmp module when building.



So does anyone know what this error actually mean? or do I need to head 
to the gcc mailinglist and ask them?


I have found nothing what so ever about the meaning through Duckduckgo 
or google. But maybe I am blind.


It is some bold issue on my side I am sure.


Thanks for your time!

All the best

Peter



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Re: reference gcc compiler (wiki - Linux entry)

2016-10-23 Thread Peter Kovacs




On 23.10.2016 08:33, Jose R R wrote:

Niltze [Hello], Peter-

Niltze Jose,


I recently built Apache OpenOffice 4.1.3 RC prior to GA on Debian Sid
(bleeding-edge ;-) for AMD64 architecture.

:-)

I built DEB and RPM packages for Debian (and derivatives like Ubuntu)
and RedHat (and derivatives, like CentOS, Oracle Unbreakable Linux,
etc), respectively.

grats

GCC 6 will not build the OpeonOffice suite; however, GCC 5 will
happily build the Apache professional office suite application.

Well, lets see if that can be fixed.


The following recent blog entry may provide insight on my procedure:

Short link:

< https://metztli.it/blog/index.php/aH9?blog=4 >

Full link:

< https://metztli.it/blog/index.php/build-apache-openoffice-4-1?blog=4 >

thanks for those. I had a pleasure to read.


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[Issue58861] Bugzilla to intimidating ?

2016-10-17 Thread Peter Kovacs

There is this Bug where people request to make it simpler to file a 
Problem...


I dont know. I find it intimidateing to file a bug at all.


Should we close this?

https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=58861


Or would we keep this as a link to maybe switch to Jira. (I personly 
prefer Jira over Bugzilla. But I think it is a huge effort to switch the 
tracker.)



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Re: reference gcc compiler (wiki - Linux entry)

2016-10-24 Thread Peter Kovacs




On 23.10.2016 11:46, Jose R R wrote:

GCC 6 will not build the OpeonOffice suite; however, GCC 5 will

happily build the Apache professional office suite application.

Well, lets see if that can be fixed.

Please be aware that there is currently a bug affecting GCC 6.2.0-7 (and up)

< https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=841368 >

The bug may also affect other than kernel builds -- as yesterday
gcc-6.2.0-9 failed 'make' during my build of GRUB2 from git and had to
use gcc 5.x.y

Keep that in mind in your efforts to build OpenOffice 4.1.3

Ahh okay, I understand. Well I guess this is distribution specific.
My distribution files far less open bugs for them.
https://bugs.archlinux.org/?project=1%5B%5D=31=gcc

But they are puting all efforts on doing one thing right, instead 
maintaining different Packages.
So hmm, we will see. I do not think this is a compiler issue, thats only 
related to the compiler.



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Re: [CWiki] Account Whitelisting

2016-10-24 Thread Peter Kovacs


username: pkovacs
real name: Peter Kovacs

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Re: [CWiki] Account Whitelisting

2016-10-24 Thread Peter Kovacs


I am sorry. I got it wrong. :(
I should have known better.
My confluence name is:

username: petko

real name: Peter Kovacs


Peter;
Have you created the account pkovacs on the cwiki yet? if not please do
so at the following link. https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/signup.action
Once you have reply here that it is done and I will white-list it.

Regards
Keith

All the best
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Compile Problem - invalide ELF headers

2016-10-24 Thread Peter Kovacs


Hello all,


So I found my true problem. which is

LD_LIBRARY_PATH=../lib:../stubdata:../tools/ctestfw:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH 
../bin/icupkg -d ./out/build/icudt40l --list -x \* ./in/icudt40l.dat > 
out/tmp/icudata.lst
../bin/icupkg: error while loading shared libraries: 
/home/legine/workspace/aoo/main/solver/420/unxlngx6.pro/lib/libgcc_s.so.1: 
invalid ELF header


So I made a softlink against my system libgcc_so.1 in /lib and compile 
error was solved. YAY! One step forward!!


so where does the libgcc lib come frome? I assume we copy it, can anyone 
help me and point me to the right build script?


I am on trunc and I had this Issue in icu module so I have a chance in 
understanding the issue behnd the issue ;)



Thanks.

All the best

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can not build SampleICC 1.3.2 in ICC module on trunc

2016-10-24 Thread Peter Kovacs


Hello,

I have a wired error, which I do not know how to deal with:
Compiling: 
icc/unxlngx6.pro/misc/build/SampleICC-1.3.2/IccProfLib/IccCmm.cpp In 
file included from 
/home/legine/workspace/aoo/main/solver/420/unxlngx6.pro/inc/boost/bind/mem_fn.hpp:25:0,
 from 
/home/legine/workspace/aoo/main/solver/420/unxlngx6.pro/inc/boost/mem_fn.hpp:22,
 from 
/home/legine/workspace/aoo/main/solver/420/unxlngx6.pro/inc/boost/tr1/functional.hpp:62,
 from 
/home/legine/workspace/aoo/main/solver/420/unxlngx6.pro/inc/boost/tr1/tr1/functional:27,
 from 
/home/legine/workspace/aoo/main/solver/420/unxlngx6.pro/inc/stl/functional:36,

 from /usr/include/c++/6.2.1/memory:79,
 from 
/home/legine/workspace/aoo/main/icc/unxlngx6.pro/misc/build/SampleICC-1.3.2/IccProfLib/IccIO.h:82,
 from 
/home/legine/workspace/aoo/main/icc/unxlngx6.pro/misc/build/SampleICC-1.3.2/IccProfLib/IccTag.h:91,
 from 
/home/legine/workspace/aoo/main/icc/unxlngx6.pro/misc/build/SampleICC-1.3.2/IccProfLib/IccCmm.h:82,
 from 
/home/legine/workspace/aoo/main/icc/unxlngx6.pro/misc/build/SampleICC-1.3.2/IccProfLib/IccCmm.cpp:84:

/home/legine/workspace/aoo/main/solver/420/unxlngx6.pro/inc/boost/get_pointer.hp
p:27:40: error: 'template T* boost::get_pointer' conflicts with 
a previous declaration

 template T * get_pointer(std::auto_ptr const& p)
^~~~

I have downloaded the Original SampleICC-1.3.2 and see if there are some 
difference. But maybe someone else has a better Idea.
Maybe the SampleICC needs an older implementation of Boost? - Not sure. 
1.3.2 is pretty old version...


All the best
Peter


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Re: Im new and i want to contribute

2016-10-21 Thread Peter Kovacs


Hello,

welcome. What do you want to contribute?

your Email adress looks strange with invalid at the end.


Maybe a good start is the recruitemen list :)


All the best

Peter


On 22.10.2016 00:37, Contribute wrote:

I want to contribute

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need help with ASF's,Apple developer account

2016-10-21 Thread Peter Kovacs


Hello ,

The given ressource i have no access to.
Can sombody support who has access to the internal Apache stuff and 
check the ressource?


I would like to have access. How ever I am with you only for roughly one 
and a half month.
Talking more then delivering ;) So I am unsure if you trust me enough to 
give me the same.

(hehe. No issues if you dont.)

So I can drive the topic atm further. :)

Thanks the support

All the best
Peter

On 18.10.2016 15:04, Mark Thomas wrote:

On 16/10/2016 17:46, Peter Kovacs wrote:

Hello Infra.


This Thread was: "Code signing available for OpenOffice"

The Project OpenOffice would like to gain access to the ASF Developer
Account.

Please name the requirements the Project has to share with you.

https://reference.apache.org/pmc/appleappstore

Mark



Thank you for your support


All the Best

Peter


On 11.10.2016 14:03, Mark Thomas wrote:

On 10/10/2016 22:34, Andrea Pescetti wrote:

Jim Jagielski wrote:

On Oct 10, 2016, at 2:03 AM, Mark Thomas wrote:
We have separate a service for the Apple app store (and another for
the Google app store).

Could you provide some info (or a pointer to info) regarding the
App-store
service, how it works, how to request access, etc..

Note that the current priority (in case this makes any difference) is to
get a valid signature that will be recognized by Gatekeeper. This is
probably a prerequisite for the App Store, but for the App Store we
would probably need further code changes that may come at a later stage.

I don't think it makes a difference at this point. Access to the ASF's
Apple developer account where we have a signing key for production
applications is governed by the same process.

Note you have the option of using the existing ASF-wide ID to sign the
app or creating a specific OpenOffice ID.

Regards,

Mark


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Re: recruitment@

2016-10-21 Thread Peter Kovacs

The traffic on development was a barrier for me.
I did not consider recruitment, because I did not see it in the wiki
joining page.
Maybe if the recruitment section on the wiki is more generic and guides the
interested persons there first, it would be used more.
However because I want to develop I had to deal with the load sooner or
later.
Recruitment makes sense if people do not know where to start or what they
want.

Patricia Shanahan  schrieb am Fr., 21. Okt. 2016, 15:01:

> On 10/21/2016 5:30 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote:
> > Methinks that the creation of recruitment@ was ill-advised...
> > Most new people are joining dev@ which makes recruitment@ look
> > like a dismal failure.
>
> With 20/20 hindsight, it does not seem to have been useful. The question
> was whether dev@'s high traffic level and mixture of issues was a
> barrier to joining.
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Re: [Google+] YouTube channel

2016-11-25 Thread Peter Kovacs

I do not have anything but we could ask for volunteers to produce some
tutorials?
Maybe some user is also willing to donate their videos.

Don't know just a crazy idea.

All the best
Peter

Matthias Seidel  schrieb am Fr., 25. Nov. 2016,
15:28:

> Accompanied with our Google+ page there is also a YouTube channel:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC5VAaY4mqQVhNe8j7fZCEfw
>
> For the moment there is no content to see.
>
> Is there some recent material we could share there?
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Build error on fonts

2016-11-26 Thread Peter Kovacs


Hello all,


I try to advance again on my build. And I run into an error again:

dmake:  Error: -- 
`../../unxlngx6.pro/misc/1725634df4bb3dcb1b2c91a6175f8789-GentiumBasic_1102.unpack' 
not found, and can't be made



Why could it be that the File is not there?


all the best

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fatal error on build

2016-11-26 Thread Peter Kovacs


I have an error:

In file included from 
/home/legine/workspace/aoo/main/udm/source/html/htmlitem.cxx:24:0:
../inc/precomp.h:32:30: fatal error: cosv/csv_precomp.h: No such file or 
directory

 #include 

do I need to set some variable for this? the definition is in 
main/cosv/inc/cosv/



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Re: Build error on fonts

2016-11-26 Thread Peter Kovacs


nvm. I fixed it. it seems that I needed to rerun bootstrap.


On 26.11.2016 10:07, Peter Kovacs wrote:

Hello all,


I try to advance again on my build. And I run into an error again:

dmake:  Error: -- 
`../../unxlngx6.pro/misc/1725634df4bb3dcb1b2c91a6175f8789-GentiumBasic_1102.unpack' 
not found, and can't be made



Why could it be that the File is not there?


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Re: Query about Open Office

2016-11-23 Thread Peter Kovacs

Hello,

I am sorry. I do not think so.
Does Open Office meet your requirements at all?
Corel Print House comes with an own Grafik designer. Not sure if our
toolset for pictures etc is sufficient for your work.

However I think this could be a nice feature in the future.
Can Corel export to another file format?

All the best
Peter

Tom Kerr  schrieb am Mi., 23. Nov. 2016, 08:18:

> Good morning
>
> We are getting new computers in the shop and our computer guy suggested we
> contact you
>
> We currently have many files made from Corel Print House V 5.00
> The files are CPH files
>
> Does Open Office have the ability to open CPH files?
>
> Thanking you in advance
>
> Cheers
> Tom
>
> Tom & Rose-Marie Kerr
> Box 220, 39 Bridge St East
> Campbellford, ON, K0L 1L0
> T: 705-653-4335
> F: 705-653-1655
> www.FrogsWhiskersInk.com
> www.KerrsCornerBooks.com
>
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Re: Petty and Sad

2016-11-25 Thread Peter Kovacs


Hello Kevin,

Why do you write to us, not ask the users for some opinion? There are so 
many sealots in the past years claiming that Libre Office is the better 
Project.
Also the media has declared Open Office dead. And still people are using 
Open Office.
It is not our fault people like Open Office and not Libre Office. And I 
think the logic if Open Office dissapears people are forced to Libre 
Office is lame and not very open minded.


To me Libre Office is a sister project. I love it like I love my 
sisters. Sometimes realtionship are better sometimes not.
Currently the relation ship is bad. If you want to do something in 
favour of FOSS, please help to enhance the relation ship between the 2 
projects.


We Open Office, I think can say this for all of us devs, have made clear 
that we will not join Libre Office.
However I would welcome any open minded, fair cooperation between both 
projects. In my opinion that was not the case in the past.
Another point I see that will not make you fond of the Idea, is that you 
loose your source of Schadensfreude. You seem to need it.

You are welcome to read our list in the future in order to feel better.

I am very happy with the Open Office Community. I see a great and kind 
and very active user base. And my fellow Dev Community is awesome.
I realy like it here. And I would like to ask you to respect this. Don't 
blame us for people not using your favourite office suite.


Please give them the freedom to use what they want, instead of what you 
want.


All the best
Peter

On 24.11.2016 20:23, Kev M wrote:

I schadenfreude your dev list every once and awhile. Just to see observe
how organizations disband. Couldn't care less if AOO turns it around or not
tbh. All the power to you if you find enough devs to get better. The more
real competition the better for innovation.

But I gotta say it's pretty sad and petty to be giving false information to
uninformed people about what their options are instead of using MS Office
or some other proprietary tool. Lot's of these people are poor or
struggling businesses looking to save money to survive. You guys don't
mention LibreOffice out of spite, when it's an obvious solution, or you try
to communicate that the project is doing great instead of addressing the
issues, and I have to say it's pretty petty and also hurts the FOSS
community. Shame on you, really.

Regards,
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Re: Successfull build on Ubuntu

2016-11-28 Thread Peter Kovacs

May I ask what you did you build?
Trunc, 4.1.3, 4.1.4?

Thanks
All the best Peter

Raphael Bircher  schrieb am Di., 29. Nov. 2016,
08:26:

> Hi all
>
> I just let you know, that I'm just finnished a build at a ubuntu vm.
> Thanks for the Help. Next I will give Windows a try.
>
> Regards Raphael
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Re: build error

2016-11-16 Thread Peter Kovacs



On 16.11.2016 08:41, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote:

I guess your system python defaults to Python 3.
Take a look at the output of

/usr/bin/env python --version

gtest does not work with Python 3, at least the version
we use, see https://github.com/google/googletest/issues/434


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Re: [PROPOSAL] Google+

2016-11-16 Thread Peter Kovacs


+1


On 16.11.2016 23:22, Andrea Pescetti wrote:

Marcus wrote:

Anybody else with opinions?


I'm fine with the way it's shaping now. Let's make Ariel the owner for 
better governance (Rob must probably be put in CC unless somebody 
objects to the proposal) and then he can make Matthias a manager and 
Matthias can implement his plan.


Regards,
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