Re: [slim] Is this really too complicated a set up?!
awy;527193 Wrote: I just fixed bug 14893 which stopped Squeezeplay on Windows and OSX from playing synced. Great. Works on my end when synched. However, does anyone else notice that now on the now playing screen, the time elapsed is not moving (stays at zero). This is true even when not synched or using as a player (just using squeezeplay as controller for other SB). Time elapsed shows on Transporter just fine but not on squeezeplay. -- garym garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76338 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Is this really too complicated a set up?!
I just fixed bug 14893 which stopped Squeezeplay on Windows and OSX from playing synced. -- awy awy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7480 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76338 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Is this really too complicated a set up?!
Hmm, interesting Jim - are there any market-leaders you could recommend? -- squeezeWallet squeezeWallet's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37031 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76338 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Is this really too complicated a set up?!
Russound and Zon are a couple that come to mind. Usually this is a custom install job, so it's more important to find a good outfit who will do the work, and then use the brand(s) that they use. It's a completely different paradigm, relying on a central multi-source amp and lots of home-run speaker wiring. It's also usually mucho $$$. I first looked at something like this, but the SBs gave me an equally good solution, with one less zero on the price tag. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76338 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Is this really too complicated a set up?!
Hi all, thanks for your replies. tcutting seems to be the closet - I've managed to get the audio coming out using softsqueeze (though it's a bit of a horrendous interface! Hope I can find a way to just dock that to the task bar somehow) I've also already bought iPeng, which actually seems to be a really nice app with far better UI/interface than the duet controller (which in itself isn't too bad, just a little dated and a bit awkward to do anything as you've mentioned - eg control synced pcs) In the lounge especially I'd rather not have to connect a receiver as this'll mean I have to keep flipping between the amp sources to receive audio (kinda removing the point of these systems) - I always have it on the audio coming from the HTPC with a tv card etc coming from there. Just for info the whole house is wired - but have wireless N too if required. It's a bit of a shame the non-logitech stuff (eg iPeng, softsqueeze etc seems to be the most reliable!) -- squeezeWallet squeezeWallet's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37031 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76338 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Is this really too complicated a set up?!
squeezeWallet;526218 Wrote: Ok I've been looking around for a decent around the house audio system. Music Room: Nothing Hi, and welcome to the forum. I'm wondering how you can have music everywhere, yet not have it in your music room ;-). As others have pointed out, you can sync hardware players easily and it works well. I regularly sync at least 3 of my players. The software players is another issue since they are likely to never really be in true sync. Reguarding your need to play through the your PC in the lounge - would it be possible to get a hardware player (i.e. a receiver, which is the player part of the duet) and connect it to a line in on your PC? This would give you the sync and control of a hardware player but have the sound coming out of the common point of your PC. Keep in mind you have a variety of outputs to work with from the squeezebox receiver - analog, optical, and coax. Regarding your other locations - I think they could be well served with other SB products, like the Boom or Radio. Oh, and a side note. Keep in mind that the squeezebox reciever is currently out of stock in the US and there is no date for when stock will be replenished. Logitech has said that they are having more manufactured and they will be available again at some point. Enjoy! -- maggior Rich - Setup: 2 SB3s, 4 Booms, 1 duet, 1 receiver. SuSE 11.0 Server running SqueezeCenter 7.3.3, MusicIP, and SqueezeSlave. Current library stats: 30,015 songs, 2,448 albums, 451 artists. http://www.last.fm/user/maggior maggior's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9080 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76338 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Is this really too complicated a set up?!
squeezeWallet;526327 Wrote: tcutting seems to be the closet - I've managed to get the audio coming out using softsqueeze (though it's a bit of a horrendous interface! Hope I can find a way to just dock that to the task bar somehow) That 'horrendous interface' is because it was designed to closely emulate the SB3/Classic or Transporter with their IR remote control. It does a good job of emulation, but sure, using a keyboard or mouse to manipulate a virtual IR remote is a bit clunky to say the least. You may also want to look into squeezeslave, which is a gui-less software SB. Some people report being very happy with squeezeslave plus Moose, which is a free GUI frontend to Squeezebox Server. See the 3rd Party Plugin forums for more info on both squeezeslave and Moose. EDIT: Or see the squeezeslave thread in this forum (General Discussion). -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76338 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Is this really too complicated a set up?!
This is one of those situations where he's never gonna get it to work like he wants it to. The pc's will never sync correctly and who knows about the network radio. He will spend a lot of time trying to make it work and end up with a bad taste in his mouth about the SB product line. Either put the proper components in place or forget about music syncing. -- ghostrider ghostrider's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18959 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76338 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Is this really too complicated a set up?!
ghostrider;526535 Wrote: This is one of those situations where he's never gonna get it to work like he wants it to. The pc's will never sync correctly and who knows about the network radio. He will spend a lot of time trying to make it work and end up with a bad taste in his mouth about the SB product line. Either put the proper components in place or forget about music syncing. I agree. Syncing software players is a pain in ass. You spend endless time and in the end, it will probably not even work. (Yes, I also tried that...) -- flattermann Home of 'SqueezeCommander' (http://www.squeezecommander.com) - The SqueezeBox Remote Control App for Android flattermann's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33169 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76338 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Is this really too complicated a set up?!
aubuti;526227 Wrote: But first a disclaimer: sync using software players (SoftSqueeze, Squeezeplay, or squeezeslave) is almost certainly going to be imperfect, with imperfect ranging from mildly annoying reverb effects to insanity-producing echo chamber effects. If you use squeezeslave-asio, the ASIO card (or in my case, the ASIO driver ASIO4ALL) allows for buffering. ASIO4ALL can be set between 0 and 20ms. AFAIK actual ASIO hardware is more flexible than that. Also - for some time my office was the room adjoining the living room (where the real audio system lives). Synchronizing the SB3 and squeezeslave on my PC cause no reverb, etc. effects - even when I'd stand half in and half out the doorway. (This was before there was a squeezeslave-asio.) The PC audio wasn't dinky PC speakers whose sound might get overwhelmed by the big system, either (SPDF out to receiver with DAC, analog to a pair of JVC near-field monitors). -- bobkoure bobkoure's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14646 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76338 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Is this really too complicated a set up?!
Hi folks, Thanks for all the replies - and agree sounds like the software stuff is a bit of a dud (as a side note, does anyone know any software for pc that let's you sync music - have 6-7 pcs in the house, so might be handy - have a Synology NAS also, so probably have something in that which might do the job...). ANYWAY! So here's how I reckon it might work if I understand you all: Lounge: SB Receiver connected into my HTPC line in. Bedroom: SB Radio/Alarm thingy Kitchen: SB Classic (this seems a bit 'flatter' than the others, so will take up less worktop space) Hall: SB Receiver into iPhone/iPod dock with speakers Study: SB Receiver into surround sound system Does the above make sense - will it work? One thing I'd appreciate any advice is the bathroom - anyone know of a waterproof/steam resistant solution for this?! Oh and just to clarify, the music room is a 'real' music room - ie with piano, four guitars, drums, clarinet etc! Many thanks for all the advice etc so far! -- squeezeWallet squeezeWallet's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37031 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76338 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Is this really too complicated a set up?!
squeezeWallet;526548 Wrote: Hi folks, Thanks for all the replies - and agree sounds like the software stuff is a bit of a dud (as a side note, does anyone know any software for pc that let's you sync music - have 6-7 pcs in the house, so might be handy - have a Synology NAS also, so probably have something in that which might do the job...). ANYWAY! So here's how I reckon it might work if I understand you all: Lounge: SB Receiver connected into my HTPC line in. Bedroom: SB Radio/Alarm thingy Kitchen: SB Classic (this seems a bit 'flatter' than the others, so will take up less worktop space) Hall: SB Receiver into iPhone/iPod dock with speakers Study: SB Receiver into surround sound system Does the above make sense - will it work? One thing I'd appreciate any advice is the bathroom - anyone know of a waterproof/steam resistant solution for this?! Oh and just to clarify, the music room is a 'real' music room - ie with piano, four guitars, drums, clarinet etc! Many thanks for all the advice etc so far! If it were me, I would put an SB Radio or Boom in the hall and get rid of the clutter as well as it would probably sound better. Depending how much space you have in the kitchen, I would look at using a Boom or SB Radio there also. A 'real' music room still needs a Squeezebox so one can play along or listen to recorded music before attempting to learn to play the song. ;=} -- iPhone *iPhone* Media Room: Transporter, VTL TL-6.5 Signature Pre-Amp, Ayre MX-R Mono's, VeraStarr 6.4SE 6-channel Amp, Vandersteen Speakers: Quatro Mains, VCC-5 Reference Center, four VSM-1 Signatures, Video: Runco RS 900 CineWide AutoScope 2.35:1 Living Room: Duet, ADCOM GTP-870HD, Cinepro 3K6SE III Gold, Vandersteen Model 3A Signature, Two 2Wq subs, VCC-2, Two VSM-1 Kitchen: Squeezebox BOOM Bedroom: Second Boom Bathroom: Squeezebox Radio Ford Thunderbird: Duet, Mac Mini Ford Expedition: SB Touch, USB drive iPhone's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13622 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76338 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Is this really too complicated a set up?!
Since it sounds like syncing is your top priority, any solution which involves solely hardware players should work fine. In my house I've had no problems syncing a receiver, radio, boom, and classic together (all connecting wirelessly on a 802.11g network). For any situation where there's not a compelling reason to use your own speakers, I recommend the boom, to save space. Or if stereo isn't important, the radio. On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 12:42 PM, squeezeWallet squeezewallet.4830zc1269020...@no-mx.forums.slimdevices.com wrote: Hi folks, Thanks for all the replies - and agree sounds like the software stuff is a bit of a dud (as a side note, does anyone know any software for pc that let's you sync music - have 6-7 pcs in the house, so might be handy - have a Synology NAS also, so probably have something in that which might do the job...). ANYWAY! So here's how I reckon it might work if I understand you all: Lounge: SB Receiver connected into my HTPC line in. Bedroom: SB Radio/Alarm thingy Kitchen: SB Classic (this seems a bit 'flatter' than the others, so will take up less worktop space) Hall: SB Receiver into iPhone/iPod dock with speakers Study: SB Receiver into surround sound system Does the above make sense - will it work? One thing I'd appreciate any advice is the bathroom - anyone know of a waterproof/steam resistant solution for this?! Oh and just to clarify, the music room is a 'real' music room - ie with piano, four guitars, drums, clarinet etc! Many thanks for all the advice etc so far! -- squeezeWallet squeezeWallet's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37031 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76338 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Is this really too complicated a set up?!
I agree with the BOOM in the hallway and Kitchen. Note that there is an input jack in the BOOM that would allow you to play an IPOD through it. Although there would be no need for that related to your IPOD (as I assume all the music on your IPOD would also be on your SqueezeboxServer feeding all the players). Regarding bathroom. Several people here report using the radio or a boom in the bathroom. I think either would work fine. I have in ceiling speakers in my bath (not built for any special moisture resistance), and they have held up just fine). At most they get a little steam once or twice a day. In my former house, I had a table radio with a large speaker, nothing special, that worked just fine for 18 years in the bathroom. -- garym garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76338 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Is this really too complicated a set up?!
Have you ever looked into real whole-house audio solutions? They've been around for decades and if you live in an 82 room mansion, they don't require 82 synchronized Squeezeboxes and 82 stereo amplifiers. For areas like bathrooms and hallways, you'd have a couple of ceiling or in-wall speakers and a volume control, fed from a central source and amplifier. Most systems would also let you switch sources from a control panel. If you have a Controller or iPhone/iPod Touch you could control the centrally located Squeezebox (or two or three) to select your music from anywhere in the house. -- JJZolx Jim JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76338 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Is this really too complicated a set up?!
Ok I've been looking around for a decent around the house audio system. This is what I currently have: Lounge: Shuttle PC used as a media pc with projector and surround sound system coming from amp Study: 2 PCs, both with speaker systems Bedroom: Oxx Tube Network Radio Music Room: Nothing Hall: iPod Dock with speakers Bathroom: Nothing I also have two iPod Touches. So... I've bought a Squeezebox Duet and was anticipating buying more, until I hit the familiar software issues that bugged me with the previous glowing brick I got from Logitech that was the Harmony 1000. Can anyone explain how I can set up my house so I can press a button to play syncronised sound in all rooms? I set up the duet receiver in the hall to play through the mp3 dock and installed squeezeserver on the pc in the lounge, and then tried softsqueeze and squeezeplayer on the pcs in the study, however no sound ever comes out. Have been through all the instructions etc (am a software engineer, so I'm not completely daft!). Can anyone level with me - is this just buggy and likely to continue or am I not getting something? -- squeezeWallet squeezeWallet's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37031 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76338 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Is this really too complicated a set up?!
Were you unable to get the Duet receiver to play at all? I believe there is a bug with the Squeezeplay application that keeps it from playing when synchronized with other players. Believe that Softsqueeze should have worked, however. Also, the pc-hosted software players don't synchronize accurately - although hardware players synchronize well together. Your whole-house synchronized concept likely needs more hardware players around your house... the built-in user interfaces for synchronizing is rather ackward, but my understanding is iPeng in iPod touch has nice synchronization interface. Obviously, get your initial setup running, and then consider adding more players. Also, connect via wired ethernet wherever possible, as most issues arise due to wireless problems/interference. -- tcutting tcutting's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17402 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76338 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Is this really too complicated a set up?!
My vote is that you're not getting something, but we'll need more info. But first a disclaimer: sync using software players (SoftSqueeze, Squeezeplay, or squeezeslave) is almost certainly going to be imperfect, with imperfect ranging from mildly annoying reverb effects to insanity-producing echo chamber effects. In contrast, the hardware players sync reliably. Now, for the questions. You say that no sound ever comes out. - Does that include the SB Receiver as well as the software players? - Are the various SBs (hardware and software) connecting successfully to the server? - If so, do their displays indicate that they _think_ they are playing something? (eg, showing elapsed time, VU meters, etc) - Can you get both the SBR and the software players to play un-sync'd? - Have you confirmed that your firewall isn't blocking connections? -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76338 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Is this really too complicated a set up?!
squeezeWallet;526218 Wrote: Ok I've been looking around for a decent around the house audio system. This is what I currently have: Lounge: Shuttle PC used as a media pc with projector and surround sound system coming from amp Study: 2 PCs, both with speaker systems Bedroom: Oxx Tube Network Radio Music Room: Nothing Hall: iPod Dock with speakers Bathroom: Nothing I also have two iPod Touches. So... I've bought a Squeezebox Duet and was anticipating buying more, until I hit the familiar software issues that bugged me with the previous glowing brick I got from Logitech that was the Harmony 1000. Can anyone explain how I can set up my house so I can press a button to play syncronised sound in all rooms? I set up the duet receiver in the hall to play through the mp3 dock and installed squeezeserver on the pc in the lounge, and then tried softsqueeze and squeezeplayer on the pcs in the study, however no sound ever comes out. Have been through all the instructions etc (am a software engineer, so I'm not completely daft!). Can anyone level with me - is this just buggy and likely to continue or am I not getting something? Hello and welcome to the Forum. I think you need to start over and call Tech Support. Don't know what model mp3 dock your have or how it is setup, but the Receiver part of the Duet is designed to hook up to a stereo through the RCA Outs or self powered speakers. Question: How come you have music in the hall and not in the Music Room? I have had a Harmony 1000 since they have come out and not had a single problem with it. Bought one for my parents and they don't have any issues with it. As to music all through out the house, Squeezebox can make that easy if properly setup and you have a healthy WiFi Network. The WiFi Network must be trouble free, free of interference, no firewall issues, and just because a laptop works over WiFi for web and Email doesn't necessarily mean ones WiFi network is healthy without issue. The only thing harder to stream over WiFi then audio is audio/video. Once each room has a Squeezebox, then it is a simple thing to Sync them so they are all playing at the same time. Many of us do it everyday. If you want the Forum to help trouble shoot this, we will need exact details. -- iPhone *iPhone* Media Room: Transporter, VTL TL-6.5 Signature Pre-Amp, Ayre MX-R Mono's, VeraStarr 6.4SE 6-channel Amp, Vandersteen Speakers: Quatro Mains, VCC-5 Reference Center, four VSM-1 Signatures, Video: Runco RS 900 CineWide AutoScope 2.35:1 Living Room: Duet, ADCOM GTP-870HD, Cinepro 3K6SE III Gold, Vandersteen Model 3A Signature, Two 2Wq subs, VCC-2, Two VSM-1 Kitchen: Squeezebox BOOM Bedroom: Second Boom Bathroom: Squeezebox Radio Ford Thunderbird: Duet, Mac Mini Ford Expedition: SB Touch, USB drive iPhone's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13622 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76338 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
