Re: [slim] The 'Duet' is here
goxboxlive;334823 Wrote: So it has a IR-emitter. Maybe in the future we will be able to control other HiFi equipment, such as amplifiers and cd players. No reason it can't, the IR emitter works just fine. In fact there is a test applet to use the emitter to control an older SB player. In order to control something else, you'd need software written. This is all open source, so anyone can dive in if they want. I believe LIRC http://www.lirc.org/ is being incorporated by a 3rd party developer, this is the foundation necessary for these things. LIRC has lots of configuration files available for a variety of devices. Applets for the SBC are written in Lua http://www.lua.org/ Unfortunately 3rd party developers haven't taken to it as easily as perl (the language SqueezeCenter is written in) so there aren't too many 3rd party applets. I really enjoy the squeezebox, but is there any way i can make it have static signal on the digital out? I like to control my volume via my preamplifier and not via the duet. Is there anyway to make the output signal (coax) static? Not sure what you mean by static? BTW in regards to the SD card, the SBC OS sees it as an ordinary drive. You can access SBC via a command line like any Linux computer and tell it to read from the drive. Yes, you could put music on it and retrieve the music easily. As for playing it, this might take a bit more work as passing the audio data is currently done by SC. This should still be the case with SqueezePlay, so retrieving the audio data from raw files on an SD card is a bit different and possibly more difficult. -- Mark Lanctot Make it so it doesn't suck is a good design target, but hard to implement - Michael Herger Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41805 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Hi. Inside the duet in front of he battery there is a slot. It looks like it is a slot for a SD memory card. Why is it there? Is it a memory SD slot? Why do we need it for? -- goxboxlive goxboxlive's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=19654 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41805 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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It's a SD memory card slot, indeed. I think I've read somewhere that it was mainly used during the beta testing for dumping logs of the controller. For now, the only use you can make of it is for flashing the controller's programmable memory (think firmware upgrade). But, like the still unused IR-emitter and headphone socket, lots of things could happen with this ... -- sebp System : Mac Mini for ripping to FLAC (Max) SqueezeCenter 7.2 running on a ReadyNAS NV+ Living room : Squeezebox 3 Beresford DAC Trends Audio TA10.1 KEF iQ9 Bedroom : Squeezebox 3 NAD C315BEE KEF iQ3 Kitchen : SB Receiver Logitech SoundMan X1 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/sebp) sebp's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11768 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41805 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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goxboxlive;334793 Wrote: Hi. Inside the duet in front of he battery there is a slot. It looks like it is a slot for a SD memory card. Why is it there? Is it a memory SD slot? Why do we need it for? My brother is a tech journalist and when he interviewed one of the top Logitech executives in Europe he asked him about that slot and the mini-jack. The guy had to check with their team of technicians in Switzerland (I think) and came back with this: There is software somewhere on the net that will activate the mini-jack - the reason it has not been oficially implemented is that the sound quality is not up to standards. With regards to the card slot, then this indeed an SD slot, and you should be able to listen to music from a card via the mini-jack, once you have it activated. I haven't tested any of these things, nor have I looked for the rumoured software - has anyone else heard of it?? -- Pokersut Pokersut's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14520 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41805 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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sebp wrote: It's a SD memory card slot, indeed. But, like the still unused IR-emitter and headphone socket, lots of things could happen with this ... The Controller software is open source, a smart programmer could invent something cool. -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Ok i c. Thanks for answer. So it has a IR-emitter. Maybe in the future we will be able to control other HiFi equipment, such as amplifiers and cd players. I really enjoy the squeezebox, but is there any way i can make it have static signal on the digital out? I like to control my volume via my preamplifier and not via the duet. Is there anyway to make the output signal (coax) static? -- goxboxlive goxboxlive's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=19654 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41805 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Pokersut;334811 Wrote: There is software somewhere on the net that will activate the mini-jack - the reason it has not been oficially implemented is that the sound quality is not up to standards. SqueezePlay, the software which runs on the SBC, is going to get audio playback. Take a look in the dev forums for more, you can probably even get the source. With regards to the card slot, then this indeed an SD slot, and you should be able to listen to music from a card via the mini-jack, once you have it activated. The SD slot is general purpose storage. I have no idea if the SqueezePlay folks are planning on doing playback from local storage, it seems a little off from the SD ethos, but maybe. It's there to be useful - it's good for doing fw updates and is very useful in development. -- radish radish's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=77 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41805 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Both the SB3 and the SBR are limited to 48 kHz due to the limitation in computing power of its CPU, even though the DACs are capable of it. The Transporter's CPU is clocked higher and does not have this limitation, it can play 24/96 and a beta firmware can play 24/88.2. -- Mark Lanctot Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41805 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Hi, From a table somewhere on the site, we can see the following : - SB3 - Burr-Brown PCM1748 which is a 24-bit 96 KHz (max) converter - SBR - Wolfson WM8501 which is a 24-bit 192 KHz (max) converter Now, at 44.1 KHz (CD type sampling), we get from the Datasheets : Dynamic Range : - PCM1748 - Min: 94 dB, Typical: 100 dB - WM8501 - Min: 90 dB, Typical: 100 dB I guess they are about the same quality, more or less, and the Wolfson might be a bit more recent. The interesting thing would be to know if the SBR can do 192 KHz (which doesn't seem the case). Datasheets are here : - PCM1748 -- http://www.datasheetcatalog.com/datasheets_pdf/P/C/M/1/PCM1748.shtml - WM8501 -- http://www.datasheetsite.com/datasheet/WM8501 Cheers, Ritchie -- rmigneron __ Richard Migneron It doesn't work, because the Buttons controls can't change !, Steve Jobs, MacWorld 2007 Keynote rmigneron's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16560 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41805 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Somewhere in this thread it is written that the DAC in receiver handles high-rez. Is it the not possible to use digital out from the receiver to deliver the signal to an extern DAC which is compatible with 24bit/96KHz, and thus be able to play high-rez with this setup -- nicoleif nicoleif's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14351 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41805 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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rsilvers;282805 Wrote: In any case, please enable the headphone jack! Someone posted over 10 pages ago this would not be useful as the remote was larger than most portable music players. I don't see what that has to do with anything since it only works at home anyway and you will not be jogging with it. Also I don't have an iPod which has all of my music in it. My music is 115 GB and mostly in AppleLossless. And has someone said, you can put it on the deck with portable speakers for a party. I want to be able to lie in bed and use the remote with headphones. ASAP would be great. Yes being able to use the headphone jack would be a very cool improvement! I would use that a lot!! Anyone know when this feature is planned to be activated ?? -- Zevs Zevs's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6890 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41805 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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I have two Duets now as a few hours after trying the first one I ordered another. I love how the controller wakes up just by moving it plus all the expected features. It took me a few hours to get it set up because at first I had the receiver wired into Ethernet and did not know to select 'connect through other wireless network.' I think the manual explains this but I did not see it at first, so my fault but I think the remote could have given more info on the display so that I would not have needed the manual. I knew the remote had 802.11 but did not realize it could talk directly to the receiver. Also tech support on the phone was calling the remote the 'squeeze box' and that really confused me as I think of the receiver as the squeeze box. In any case, please enable the headphone jack! Someone posted over 10 pages ago this would not be useful as the remote was larger than most portable music players. I don't see what that has to do with anything since it only works at home anyway and you will not be jogging with it. Also I don't have an iPod which has all of my music in it. My music is 115 GB and mostly in AppleLossless. And has someone said, you can put it on the deck with portable speakers for a party. I want to be able to lie in bed and use the remote with headphones. ASAP would be great. -- rsilvers rsilvers's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16069 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41805 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Lot's of folks up-in-arms about the Controller... This post from Mike is the first one to mention ALL the capabilities. In fact, the slimdevices web site does NOT have any information about the Controller having the Wolfson DAC. With the DAC, the Controller now goes way beyond a controller. It would be wise to either correct Mike's post, or correct this significant omission of the technical specs on the web site. Gary mvalera;254731 Wrote: The Squeezebox Controller at $299.99 is a great value. It's a mini linux computer with an ARM processor, built in WiFi, a Wolfson DAC (same as the receiver), an IR emitter, a headphone jack, and a SD slot. Where it is now, and where the developer community takes it in a few months are 2 different things. I get very excited when I think about what's possible when the larger community gets it's hands on it and starts developing plugins and the like for the built-in, but inactive, hardware features it has. Mike -- gcrashpdx gcrashpdx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=592 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41805 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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gcrashpdx;260780 Wrote: It would be wise to either correct Mike's post, or correct this significant omission of the technical specs on the web site. Gary No, it would be very -unwise-. The DAC wont be used when the controller goes on sale, it will be inactive. It probably will be used in future, but for the time being you would get a lot of very angry buyers who miss-understood the specs and thought they where getting something they did not get. -- autopilot SLIMSERVER:[/B] 7.0 APLHA (WINDOWS XP) + ALIENBBC, SLIMSCROBBLER LAST.FM. *AMP:* CAMBRIDGE AUDIO 640A (LIVING ROOM) / DENON MD30 (BEDROOM). *SPEAKERS:* MISSION 701'S (LIVING ROOM) / KEF CRESTA 1'S (BEDROOM). *REMOTE:* T-MOBILE MDA VARIO / HARMONY 525 (IR) / *BETA TESTING JIVE REMOTE. [B]Clients:* 1 Squeezebox 3 + Softsqueeze. 'LAST.FM' (http://www.last.fm/user/domrevans/) autopilot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1763 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41805 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Possibly too late. Irish Times report on CES 18-Jan-2008 It's a market such as this that the new Squeezebox Duet from Logitech is designed to address. You can even plug your headphones into its wireless controller. -- bpa bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41805 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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On Jan 20, 2008, at 12:16 PM, bpa wrote: Possibly too late. Irish Times report on CES 18-Jan-2008 It's a market such as this that the new Squeezebox Duet from Logitech is designed to address. You can even plug your headphones into its wireless controller. It's true, you can plug headphones in. Alas, you won't hear much. -dean ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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One thing I've been wondering about (apologies if it's been covered elsewhere) is how do you enter a wireless key for the SBR? -- smc2911 smc2911's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4388 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41805 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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dean, you missed a good job here, sounds like you would have been qualified:-) http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7198512.stm dean blackketter;260844 Wrote: On Jan 20, 2008, at 12:16 PM, bpa wrote: Possibly too late. Irish Times report on CES 18-Jan-2008 It's a market such as this that the new Squeezebox Duet from Logitech is designed to address. You can even plug your headphones into its wireless controller. It's true, you can plug headphones in. Alas, you won't hear much. -dean -- kesey kesey's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10786 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41805 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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On Jan 20, 2008, at 2:20 PM, smc2911 wrote: One thing I've been wondering about (apologies if it's been covered elsewhere) is how do you enter a wireless key for the SBR? When the Receiver comes out of the box it's waiting to be set up. First, you set up the Controller to connect to the network using the screen and buttons and wheel. You choose the Receiver on the screen of the Controller and it squirts down the settings to the Receiver, which connects to the network. (This is why you need a Controller to set up a Receiver, at least for now.) -dean ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Thanks. I suspect I'll be trying it myself very soon... -- smc2911 smc2911's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4388 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41805 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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A video from CES http://www.youtube.com/v/BndSBIM3ZHc on the duet and the other new Logitech gadgets. Frank -- SilverRS8 Author of AlbumCatalogCreator for SlimServer SilverRS8's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12818 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41805 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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My current Slimserver 6.5.4 and SB3 can show Traditional Chinese chracters without any problem (Windowns XP Traditional Chinese Version), can duet controller show Traditional Chinese chracters without any issue? -- theta theta's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7672 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41805 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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On Jan 15, 2008, at 5:09 PM, theta wrote: My current Slimserver 6.5.4 and SB3 can show Traditional Chinese chracters without any problem (Windowns XP Traditional Chinese Version), can duet controller show Traditional Chinese chracters without any issue? The initial release of the software won't support Chinese (or Japanese) text, though we are looking forward to adding it in the future. This is a limitation of the FreeSans font that we're using in the first release. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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bklaas;257049 Wrote: I've yet to ever get my grubby hands on one, but check out the PepperPad http://pepperpad.com . Does everything (in theory) that the Nokia does, on an x86 platform, similar form factor, PLUS it's got IR. Same screen size as the Nokia, so the Nokia770 skin should give about the same experience as well. cheers, #!/ben I've actually tried the Pepper Pad and found it pretty unsatisfactory. It takes a long time to boot up each time it goes to sleep and the IR remote software is not very good. For instance, I found no way to move buttons around once they are added to the screen. I had high hopes for it, but it is just sitting on a shelf. On the other hand, the Nokia skin works just fine if you don't mind waiting for the thing to boot. Personally, I would be more likely to use the smaller Nokia even though it has no IR. As it is, I use my WinMobile Phone with Handheld or more likely my desktop or laptop to control the Squeezeboxes in my basement. -- stevek1006 -Steve -- Steven Kramer [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- stevek1006's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1369 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41805 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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dean blackketter;256445 Wrote: On Jan 9, 2008, at 5:41 AM, 4mula1 wrote: It seems Logitech might've been very close to indeed making a portable Squeezebox. From the pictures of the controller it doesn't look like it has an accessory connector at the bottom between the charging pins, But it does have such a connector, but it's hidden under a rubber plug, which provides pinouts for audio in, audio out, serial, USB host or device, and power (both to charge the battery and run peripherals from the battery). Those pins haven't been fully enabled in software, we're looking to the community to help drive development of accessories. The product photo shots were supposed to leave the plug in, but: http://www.logitech.com/repository/619/jpg/5794.1.0.jpg -dean What connectivity is included on the cradle? For example, is there a line-out socket? Thanks. -- PaulR PaulR's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1220 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41805 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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PaulR;256702 Wrote: What connectivity is included on the cradle? For example, is there a line-out socket? Thanks. Unless the cradle is different to the Hardware Beta (which i don't think it is) the cradle is purely for charging. Speaker docks etc. are all possible in the future, but that isn't the core purpose of the Controller. -- funkstar funkstar's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2335 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41805 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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tyler_durden;255347 Wrote: As for use as a portable player... hmmm. Maybe for use around the house, but certainly not for outside. I can see an application for it as a stand-alone internet radio receiver, but don't expect the battery to last more than a couple hours as long as the wi-fi radio and display are on. Maybe some enterprising soul will come up with a solution that takes the juice from a tiny solar panel and feeds it to the receiver when outdoors... -- Balthazar_B Balthazar_B's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7366 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41805 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Balthazar_B;256963 Wrote: Maybe some enterprising soul will come up with a solution that takes the juice from a tiny solar panel and feeds it to the receiver when outdoors... Hmmm...Freeplay... -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...SB3+Stontronics PSU - Altmann JISCO/UPCI - TACT RCS 2.2X with Good Vibrations S/W - MF X-DAC V3/X-PSU/X-10 buffer (Audiocomm full mods)- Linn 5103 - Linn Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Kimber Chord cables Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41805 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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In the Logitech booth at CES, the Duet setup I saw was connected to a home theater system, yet the Controller couldn't even switch the A/V receiver to the correct input. (The Controller cannot control devices other than Receiver/Squeezebox/Transporter, despite having an IR output.) It seems odd that Logitech would release a product (the Receiver) which cannot be controlled by its Harmony remotes (because the Receiver has no IR sensor and no video output), and release a $299 remote (the Controller) that can only control one class of product. In a home theater system with a Receiver, the user would still need at least two remote controls. Logitech, of all companies, should be in the ideal position to unify those functions into a single remote. -- TiredLegs TiredLegs's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41805 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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bklaas;257017 Wrote: Not exactly true. I've been controlling my amp via the Controller and Felix's fantastic IRBlaster plugin for months now. Works great. My amp remote has been in a drawer since November, and haven't needed it once. #!/ben Presumably you were using the Controller with an SB3. In the Duet system on display at CES, the Receiver had no way to output IR. Today, I can control an entire home theater system, including an SB3, from a single universal remote control. The Duet system I saw couldn't do that. In this instance, the Receiver's lack of IR input and output was the limiting factor. Yet it would be preferable to have the Squeezebox display on the remote rather in the rack of AV gear. Does IRBlaster let you control an entire home theater via the Controller, including TV, DVD, cable box, etc? -- TiredLegs TiredLegs's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41805 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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TiredLegs;257026 Wrote: Presumably you were using the Controller with an SB3. In the Duet system on display at CES, the Receiver had no way to output IR. Today, I can control an entire home theater system, including an SB3, from a single universal remote control. The Duet system I saw couldn't do that. In this instance, the Receiver's lack of IR input and output was the limiting factor. Yet it would be preferable to have the Squeezebox display on the remote rather in the rack of AV gear. Does IRBlaster let you control an entire home theater via the Controller, including TV, DVD, cable box, etc? Good points all around, TiredLegs. Yes, I'm not using a Receiver in this application. IRBlaster is limited in its scope, but does exactly what I need it to do, which is turn on the amp and switch it to aux when I turn on the Squeezebox, turn the amp off when I turn the Squeezebox off, and adjust the volume of the amp when I do vol up/vol down on the Controller. I silently thank Felix every time I watch that magic happen. something to consider... The Squeezebox Controller can be viewed as two things. The first is obvious: it's a dedicated, graphical wi-fi remote. The second, maybe not so much-- it's a release of an entirely new software platform (SqueezeOS). It's got a lot of potential well beyond the Squeezebox Controller. cheers, #!/ben Time is nature's way of making not everything happen all at once. - Woody Allen -- bklaas the Nokia770 skin guy http://www.last.fm/user/bklaas/ bklaas's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41805 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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By the way Ben, I have a Nokia N800 which I occasionally use with your skin (thank you very much for creating it). But, for the purposes of controlling an entire home theater system, the N800 has the same basic constraints as the Controller, in that it doesn't make for a suitable universal remote. The N800 does, however, have the benefit of real web browsing, which sometimes comes in handy when crashed on the couch in front of the tube. -- TiredLegs TiredLegs's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41805 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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bklaas;257049 Wrote: I've yet to ever get my grubby hands on one, but check out the PepperPad http://pepperpad.com. Does everything (in theory) that the Nokia does, on an x86 platform, similar form factor, PLUS it's got IR. Same screen size as the Nokia, so the Nokia770 skin should give about the same experience as well. It looks like the PepperPad could work, but the thing is huge (about 11 x 6 inches) and costs around $700. If only Nokia had added IR output in the N810. -- TiredLegs TiredLegs's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41805 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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I read the first 15 pages of this thread (and searched it) and didn't see this addressed, so pardon me if it is but... Is the battery removable and/or user replaceable? If the controller battery is not removable, what type of charger does it use? What are music access options while the controller is charging? Thanks for your answers. -- downtime downtime's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3463 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41805 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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downtime;257057 Wrote: I read the first 15 pages of this thread (and searched it) and didn't see this addressed, so pardon me if it is but... Is the battery removable and/or user replaceable? If the controller battery is not removable, what type of charger does it use? What are music access options while the controller is charging? Thanks for your answers. Yes, it's removable. Yes, it's replaceable. It has a docking cradle for charging. It can access everything while charging. It uses a cell phone style Li-ion battery. cheers, #!/ben -- bklaas the Nokia770 skin guy http://www.last.fm/user/bklaas/ bklaas's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41805 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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TiredLegs;257009 Wrote: In the Logitech booth at CES, the Duet setup I saw was connected to a home theater system, yet the Controller couldn't even switch the A/V receiver to the correct input. (The Controller cannot control devices other than Receiver/Squeezebox/Transporter, despite having an IR output.) This is true in the current state of the software, but the IR output is there on the Controller hardware, so it is just a matter of writing the software to actually send some signals through the IR output. I'm guessing that Logitech reasoned that the software could be provided after the hardware release. The Controller will IMO never be a good universal remote, but it will probably be able to do a simple control of the devices involved when using the Receiver for playback. For example turning on the A/V receiver and changing it to the correct input. TiredLegs;257009 Wrote: It seems odd that Logitech would release a product (the Receiver) which cannot be controlled by its Harmony remotes (because the Receiver has no IR sensor and no video output), and release a $299 remote (the Controller) that can only control one class of product. In a home theater system with a Receiver, the user would still need at least two remote controls. Logitech, of all companies, should be in the ideal position to unify those functions into a single remote. The missing IR sensor on the Receiver is a limiting factor. As you say, this makes it impossible to control the Receiver with a standard universal remote. The only remote that will be able to control the Receiver is the Controller or some other wifi enabled device. So controlling the Receiver from a Logitech Harmony based remote wouldn't be possible today. Of course you can always have a multi room setup where you have a SqueezeBox 3 in the living room. In that setup you would be able to control the SqueezeBox 3 with a Harmony remote and let the SqueezeBox 3 syncronize with the Reciever in the other room. My personal usage pattern will probably be: 1. Simple listening of random playlists or selecing a single album I know a like to listen to - Will be controlled from the Harmony Universal remote 2. Browsing for something to listen to when I don't know exactly what I'm in the mood for at the moment - Will be controlled from the SqueezeBox Controller. Unfortunately this makes it impossible to have a Receiver as the playback unit, so I'll probably continue to use the SqueezeBox3 for playback in the living room and put the Reciever in another room. -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.homeip.net) 'My download page' (http://erland.homeip.net/download) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.homeip.net/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41805 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Mark Lanctot;256068 Wrote: ... It's interesting to note that Logitech SMS does closely listen to requests on this forum, the graphical wifi remote and the headless SB have been requested for ~2 years. Thanks for noticing! There is an awful lot of the community's input in both Duet and in SC7. I'm a bit surprised no one else has mentioned that. -= Jim -- JimC well, she wasn't all of that, but she sure was some of that. -- BKlaas' college buddy JimC's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9428 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41805 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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NFLnut;2562390 You have, IMO way overpriced the controller and using Sonos prices of their products is a serious mistake in determining the price of YOURS. You may have no problems selling that $300 remote to your Transporter customers, but I doubt that you will sell many to your Squeezebox customers. 'Just a thought ..[/QUOTE Wrote: We didn't price based on Sonos, I can assure you. I think Mike was reacting to the issues raised in comparing the SBC to all kinds of other CE devices that may or may not be related to the SBC to explain why the controller should be less expensive. -= Jim -- JimC well, she wasn't all of that, but she sure was some of that. -- BKlaas' college buddy JimC's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9428 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41805 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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To whom it may concern: You've got a couple of typos on the Squeezebox Controller and Squeezebox Receiver links on the right hand side of this page: http://www.slimdevices.com/pi_overview.html Thought you'd like to know! -- jeebers jeebers's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10290 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41805 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Regarding the price, while i dont fully understand why the SBC its so much more expensive than the SBR (other than logitech's product strategy), lets not get too hung up on it - we should all know by now that manufactures RRP is not often actually what you end up paying - and this is especially true with Logitech in my experience. So when you see it on DAB's or Bestbuy cheaper you think great and buy one. And the RRP will come down anyway, once the RD is recouped. I have always just seen RRP's as a guide to what you should not pay more than. -- autopilot SLIMSERVER:[/B] 7.0 APLHA (WINDOWS XP) + ALIENBBC, SLIMSCROBBLER LAST.FM. *AMP:* CAMBRIDGE AUDIO 640A (LIVING ROOM) / DENON MD30 (BEDROOM). *SPEAKERS:* MISSION 701'S (LIVING ROOM) / KEF CRESTA 1'S (BEDROOM). *REMOTE:* T-MOBILE MDA VARIO / HARMONY 525 (IR) / *BETA TESTING JIVE REMOTE. [B]Clients:* 1 Squeezebox 3 + Softsqueeze. 'LAST.FM' (http://www.last.fm/user/domrevans/) autopilot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1763 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41805 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Also regarding the lack of working headphone on release - could it not be that this is partly because logitech dont actually want the controller to be perceived as a portable squeezebox that can control other SB's, rather than a brilliant controller that can also play music? The latter is better IMO - if people wanted a portable SB they would be a little disappointed, if they wanted a controller that does other stuff they would be amazed by it :) I cant wait for a version of Soft Squeeze running on it. I have always looked at it and thought 'what if' - one of the first questions i asked after getting my beta SBC was 'can i listen to music through it?' Mainly, i would like a sort of basic DJ feature (although i was thinking more about using the headphones). Thats just one of lots of reasons i cant wait to see the software added to play music on the controller, such as listening to the Cricket results/commentary without interrupting my GF's TV show and still be able to stay on the Sofa with her. Or listening to my tunes/podcasts while moving the lawn. Or jacking it into a boombox... The list is endless. Hopefully a version of Softsqueeze be be available for the Jive platform eventually (if its not already in early development already ;)), especially given how much interest there already is around it. -- autopilot SLIMSERVER:[/B] 7.0 APLHA (WINDOWS XP) + ALIENBBC, SLIMSCROBBLER LAST.FM. *AMP:* CAMBRIDGE AUDIO 640A (LIVING ROOM) / DENON MD30 (BEDROOM). *SPEAKERS:* MISSION 701'S (LIVING ROOM) / KEF CRESTA 1'S (BEDROOM). *REMOTE:* T-MOBILE MDA VARIO / HARMONY 525 (IR) / *BETA TESTING JIVE REMOTE. [B]Clients:* 1 Squeezebox 3 + Softsqueeze. 'LAST.FM' (http://www.last.fm/user/domrevans/) autopilot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1763 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41805 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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You've got a couple of typos on the Squeezebox Controller and Squeezebox Receiver links on the right hand side of this page: http://www.slimdevices.com/pi_overview.html Thanks! -- Michael ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Also regarding the lack of working headphone on release - could it not be that this is partly because logitech dont actually want the controller to be perceived as a portable squeezebox, Unlikely since there is still optimisation development ongoing. Even when that is finished there are other consideration for audio: 1. There is limited CPU power available and if streaming audio impacts controller functionality then it may not be feasible as a production feature. 2. It has been stated that if audio is supported it will not be Softsqueeze but another (more efficient ?) architecture - that has yet to be developed. 3. Battery power when continuously streaming audio over wifi will probably be very short - so most likely have to be use SBC in a cradle when streaming audio. -- bpa bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41805 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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The only reason I might want a working speaker/speaker plug and support for streamed music in the Controller is to sample tracks from my library as build Dynamic Playlists. -- tamanaco tamanaco's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4620 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41805 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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It seems Logitech might've been very close to indeed making a portable Squeezebox. From the pictures of the controller it doesn't look like it has an accessory connector at the bottom between the charging pins, which is a shame, because a set of powered speakers that the controller could plug into ala iPod would be fantastic. With an SD card slot (hopefully SDHC)could there be an option to store some music locally and say, connect it to your car? I'm not interested in the Duet combo, since I have 2 SB3s as it is and don't want quite see the need in my current setup (I don't even use my N800 with it that much). If I could take it with me then I might be interested in a controller as the much desired portable Squeezebox. -- 4mula1 SlimServer 6.5.4 + Solaris 10 x86: Because Linux would've been too easy! 4mula1's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3439 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41805 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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dean blackketter wrote: Some news from CES: Squeezebox Duet won a CES Innovations 2008 award. Details here: http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/172/4177cl=us,en Congratulations! Also, according to this (http://ces.cnet.com/best-of-ces/? tag=ces2008_rnav) in the Home Audio category we're up against Neosonik's no-speaker wires technology (which required powered speakers) and Polk Audio single speaker surround sound. Please feel free to vote for your favorite product here: http://ces.cnet.com/ces/peoples-voice/?tag=ces2008_rnav So the awards are about whoever has the biggest mailing list? Then you'll surely win! Regards, Peter ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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From the pictures of the controller it doesn't look like it has an accessory connector at the bottom between the charging pins In another post, it was said the photos were taken months ago using mockups and LCD displayed was simulated so don't make assumptions based on the press photos. Look at the live ones from CES. -- bpa bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41805 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Expansion port of the beta controller has an audio in ? -- bpa bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41805 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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tamanaco;256374 Wrote: The only reason I might want a working speaker/speaker plug and support for streamed music in the Controller is to sample tracks from my library as build Dynamic Playlists. Shame it hasn't got a microphone for voice control, VoIP calling and so on. I was always very skeptical of voice commands untl I got a BlackBerry and found it was very effective when driving hands free. Given the input method for typing names, it would be especially useful for me to get to artists or albums quickly. And of course if decent enough, or if it had a jack for a better mic, you could do some simple room correction. For me, playing a sample is useful now and then, but I usually remember songs. However, a voice to echo commands and band names for people with restricted vision could be a good selling point. I wonder if there's space on the handset to store the samples to do text to voice? I still struggle to see it's value as a player though, iPods do it so much better - and cheaper. -- CardinalFang CardinalFang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41805 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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The port on the bottom is there but it's covered by a rubber plug. -- andyg andyg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3292 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41805 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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mortslim wrote: It is my understanding that the squeezenetwork interface and the slimserver interface will shortly both be retired and be updated to the new squeezecenter interface which is supposed to be a unified interface to control your squeezebox. It is also my understanding that the new controller will also be using the squeezecenter interface. Yes, but the squeezecenter is not so spectacularly different from slimserver. That being said, can someone explain if the new controller will be better at controlling the squeezebox compared to using squeezecenter on a laptop? Better in some ways and worse in others. And isn't a laptop just as portable as the new controller? Of course not! Where do you get all these 'insights'? Can you lay in bed and hold a laptop in one hand to control your playlists? Regards, Peter ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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autopilot wrote: Also regarding the lack of working headphone on release - could it not be that this is partly because logitech dont actually want the controller to be perceived as a portable squeezebox that can control other SB's, rather than a brilliant controller that can also play music? The latter is better IMO - if people wanted a portable SB they would be a little disappointed, if they wanted a controller that does other stuff they would be amazed by it :) My take is that they have a hard time completing the SBC on time as it is. The local player functionality just didn't make it. Regards, Peter ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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dean blackketter wrote: On Jan 8, 2008, at 11:12 AM, Mark Lanctot wrote: konut;255304 Wrote: Am I corect in assuming that a router isn't needed? That the controller can connect directly to my laptops WiFi? I believe that a router isn't needed in that the controller can connect directly to the -Squeezebox Receiver-, not a laptop, i.e. the SBR functions as an ad-hoc AP. That's right. dem;255309 Wrote: When it's in standby, is the LED off? I'm thinking of putting one in a bedroom. It sounds like it would be handy to use the controller while lying in bed. It sounds like you're asking about the controller, which ModelCitizen answered, but Mike Valera was talking about the SBR. Not sure about that one as I haven't seen an SBR, he'd have to answer. Obviously one of those super-bright blue LEDs would be undesirable for use in a bedroom! The LED goes to a dim white when powered on and connected but not playing. An almost fully dimmed SB3 is still too bright when it's beside my pillow... Regards, Peter ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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NFLnut wrote: mvalera;254763 Wrote: Enoch the price is the price. If you don't feel it's worth the money we're asking, then you can feel free to vote with your wallet. It's smaller, faster, cheaper and has more functionality than our competitor's controller. We feel that we have priced it aggressively. I'm sorry you don't agree. Mike I think you guys have seriously missed the boat here. Your competition is not really your direct competition! Sonos' customers are looking for one thing. An all-inclusive, simple to use product that streams audio in a neat little package that puts speakers and amp in one box. This long time SliMP3/SB user has definitely been jealous of the Sonos. Not because of the built-in amps or the architecture but because of the slick smart remote with local display. I could have - and actually *have* - predicted that SD would bring out a similar controller, because it was the one thing that there main competitor did better. The addition of the SBR is interesting but not that spectacular. I already have a 4xSB3 network and I don't need extra units. I can use two SBC's even if they are much more expensive than I hoped. Regards, Peter ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Nostromo wrote: NFLnut;256222 Wrote: I thought it DIDN'T have a headphone jack! Now I'm confused. What would be the point of the Controller having a DAC otherwise? For playing sound effects? I think even my microwave has a DAC... ;) Regards, Peter ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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bpa;256385 Wrote: Expansion port of the beta controller has an audio in but maybe not enough CPU to do recognition and control. Call phones do it with much slower CPUs... -- CardinalFang CardinalFang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41805 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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On 9-Jan-08, at 7:15 AM, CardinalFang wrote: bpa;256385 Wrote: Expansion port of the beta controller has an audio in but maybe not enough CPU to do recognition and control. Call phones do it with much slower CPUs... so you keep saying. and saying. -kdf ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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dean blackketter;256445 Wrote: But it does have such a connector, but it's hidden under a rubber plug, which provides pinouts for audio in, audio out, serial, USB host or device, and power (both to charge the battery and run peripherals from the battery). Those pins haven't been fully enabled in software, we're looking to the community to help drive development of accessories. The product photo shots were supposed to leave the plug in, but: http://www.logitech.com/repository/619/jpg/5794.1.0.jpg -dean Does/will the Controller support SHDC cards? With 32GB nearly here that will easily hold my library if transcoded into mp3. That would make my entire library ready to travel. Now I'm interested in buying one. -- 4mula1 SlimServer 6.5.4 + Solaris 10 x86: Because Linux would've been too easy! 4mula1's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3439 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41805 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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On Jan 9, 2008, at 5:41 AM, 4mula1 wrote: It seems Logitech might've been very close to indeed making a portable Squeezebox. From the pictures of the controller it doesn't look like it has an accessory connector at the bottom between the charging pins, But it does have such a connector, but it's hidden under a rubber plug, which provides pinouts for audio in, audio out, serial, USB host or device, and power (both to charge the battery and run peripherals from the battery). Those pins haven't been fully enabled in software, we're looking to the community to help drive development of accessories. The product photo shots were supposed to leave the plug in, but: http://www.logitech.com/repository/619/jpg/5794.1.0.jpg -dean ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Congratulations SD/Logitech on the product announcement. Will be watching the development after the official release. Somthing that others may wish to consider is the Phillips Pronto Pro TSU9400/9600. For those wanting the all encompassing universal remote and graphical control of the SB - this is a very real alternative. I use the old Pronto RU950, and loath having any more than one remote. Barry Gordon and LowPro have devised the SlimPronto XCF for these IR/RF and Wi-fi Remotes. If I get the Squeeze Controller - I'm back to multiple remotes. I watch with interest - remaining open minded, if the new SC is worth it I may resort to having 2 remotes, or its the TSU9400 for me. Nic -- DrNic DrNic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=92 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41805 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Peter;256404 Wrote: mortslim wrote: [color=blue] And isn't a laptop just as portable as the new controller? Of course not! Where do you get all these 'insights'? Can you lay in bed and hold a laptop in one hand to control your playlists? While I don't hold it in one hand, because I can't afford a second Squeezebox, a laptop at the bedside running SoftSqueeze is exactly how I do about 20% of my interaction with my collection. 60% of my interaction is running SoftSqueeze at work during the day, tapping into my collection at home. The final 20% is with the actual Squeezebox, and I'd say we split the remote vs. the laptop about 50/50. I agree with other posters and even some of the Logitech people that are posting here: I don't think the remote is a viable, pocketable mowing-the-lawn, portable device. When the iPod touch gets native wifi streaming I would consider it over the SBC in a heartbeat, if for no other reason than when I leave the house I can take the iPod with me and keep playing it, where I can't do that with the remote. I have a Treo 680 and use it as my main portable music player; if it had WiFi, I would be using it this way right this second. But it doesn't, and I can't afford the monthly fees to get the data plan that would enable streaming the stream.mp3 or internet radio onto the phone. Note to Logitech regarding wifi streaming though: several people have commented that it eats the battery life. Personally, I don't have a problem with that. As long as a wifi streaming device could get 2 hours streaming, I think it would meet almost every need I have for it, whether it be working out or mowing the lawn or gardening or whatever. Again though, I don't think the SBC, even modded to, is going to fit that bill as it doesn't really seem to be meant to be subjected to a workout or a garden or whatever. And again, while I wish it was less than $150, I am interested in the headless SBR for a second room as a mostly-always-synched-with-my-SB3 device, once it's possible to set it up without the $299 remote. -- thing-fish ' Most Recent Tracks' (http://www.last.fm/user/thing-fish/?chartstyle=basicrt10) thing-fish's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5288 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41805 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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thing-fish wrote: Peter;256404 Wrote: mortslim wrote: [color=blue] And isn't a laptop just as portable as the new controller? Of course not! Where do you get all these 'insights'? Can you lay in bed and hold a laptop in one hand to control your playlists? While I don't hold it in one hand, because I can't afford a second Squeezebox, a laptop at the bedside running SoftSqueeze is exactly how I do about 20% of my interaction with my collection. 60% of my Sounds terrible ;) interaction is running SoftSqueeze at work during the day, tapping into my collection at home. The final 20% is with the actual Squeezebox, and I'd say we split the remote vs. the laptop about 50/50. I use my laptop to control my SB's when I'm at the desk or the table, but not when I'm on the couch. My rooms are large enough (or my eyes bad enough - the two are probably somewhat related) to make the SB3 displays hard to read. The SBC is an excellent solution for when I'm not behind my laptop. When I'm in my study I don't use the remote much, because I'm close to the PC anyway. I agree with other posters and even some of the Logitech people that are posting here: I don't think the remote is a viable, pocketable mowing-the-lawn, portable device. When the iPod touch gets native wifi streaming I would consider it over the SBC in a heartbeat, if for no other reason than when I leave the house I can take the iPod with me and keep playing it, where I can't do that with the remote. I have a Treo 680 and use it as my main portable music player; if it had WiFi, I would be using it this way right this second. But it doesn't, and I can't afford the monthly fees to get the data plan that would enable streaming the stream.mp3 or internet radio onto the phone. I'm not so sure about the streaming either, unless they improve the battery life. I barely use my portable player outside the car. It would be great to have a SB-type solution for the car. Regards, Peter ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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I'm hesitant on this new remote as well. Especially after buying Logitech's Harmony 890 universal remote. But, with a SB1, SB2, and SB3 scattered around the house a remote with this functionality would be kind of nice. Dare I ask for a Harmony firmware update? :-p The closest thing I have right now to this is using a custom Wii skin I made to control all my SB's from either a Wii or my Treo. The advantage to the Treo is being able to use headphones to listen to the stream. I think that if Logitech provided a way to set up the Ray without the new remote they would sell quite a few more. Just having one next to my PC, plugged into the aux port on my PC speakers or the stereo here in my office would be nice at the cheaper price tag. Moose+Ray=Affordable office music solution to me. -- hashref hashref's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1976 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41805 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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hashref;256473 Wrote: Dare I ask for a Harmony firmware update? :-p The hardware inside a Harmony remote isn't in the same league as the Squeeze Remote. So that isn't going to happen. -- funkstar funkstar's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2335 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41805 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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funkstar wrote: hashref;256473 Wrote: Dare I ask for a Harmony firmware update? :-p The hardware inside a Harmony remote isn't in the same league as the Squeeze Remote. So that isn't going to happen. I'm surprised people think this is just another remote. But this is a general problem with SD devices. They're smart, but sometimes the way things work and what exactly is on offer is hard to explain clearly to the not-so-technically-inclined. A real challenge for the marketing boys. Regards, Peter ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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kdf;256425 Wrote: On 9-Jan-08, at 7:15 AM, CardinalFang wrote: bpa;256385 Wrote: Expansion port of the beta controller has an audio in but maybe not enough CPU to do recognition and control. Call phones do it with much slower CPUs... so you keep saying. and saying. -kdf And your point is? It's an area I know extremely well and has comparable hardware, e.g. ARM powered,etc. Most MP3 players are ARM powered too, as are a lot of SatNav units. Many run at comparable clock speeds to the controller, so it's fair to compare their capabilities. -- CardinalFang CardinalFang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41805 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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In my remark I was being cautious from my experience running Squeezeslave on Jive back in Nov which was not an optimised system but it also had significantly less functionality. The current SBC is a first iteration of Jive h/w s/w and it has been a learning experience. For some of the developers, it seems to be their first serious experience of an ARM platform and are discovering which optimisations are worthwhile. As such, the system is not comparable to a mobile phone software platforms which has had many years of development and gone through many iterations. It is normal that the next release will use the opportunity to change some of the design/implementation and so further improve the system. -- bpa bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41805 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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forums.slimdevices.com[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp=Yes; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) Quoting CardinalFang [EMAIL PROTECTED]: kdf;256425 Wrote: On 9-Jan-08, at 7:15 AM, CardinalFang wrote: bpa;256385 Wrote: Expansion port of the beta controller has an audio in but maybe not enough CPU to do recognition and control. Call phones do it with much slower CPUs... so you keep saying. and saying. -kdf And your point is? That we all got your point the first time. My apologies, I didn't realise we're not allowed to note that. Fair point made, and fair also to say we've heard it already. -kdf ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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On Jan 9, 2008, at 8:20 AM, 4mula1 wrote: Does/will the Controller support SHDC cards? With 32GB nearly here that will easily hold my library if transcoded into mp3. That would make my entire library ready to travel. Now I'm interested in buying one. Yes, I've tried it with a 4GB card, and with the latest version of the software just about every card we've tried works fine. We should probably get a 32GB card to try here... ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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kdf;256501 Wrote: That we all got your point the first time. My apologies, I didn't realise we're not allowed to note that. Fair point made, and fair also to say we've heard it already. I still don't understand your sensitivity and why I've now got such a petulant reply. I was responding to a point that perhaps the CPU in the controller may not be able to do voice recognition. I used a similar device as a comparison to illustrate that it should be able to. It happens to be the same device I used before. So what? Should I use a Sonos remote instead for comparison? -- CardinalFang CardinalFang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41805 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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bpa;256499 Wrote: The current SBC is a first iteration of Jive h/w s/w and it has been a learning experience. For some of the developers, it seems to be their first serious experience of an ARM platform and are discovering which optimisations are worthwhile. As such, the system is not comparable to a mobile phone software platforms which has had many years of development and gone through many iterations. You'd be surprised! Given the pace of development, platforms change at an incredible rate, every six months is not unusual and libraries and components change at an equally astonishing rate at times as vendors move in and out of favour. Most devices are based on a limited number of RTOS and there are definite attempts to standardise on platforms, but it's also in the interests of platform providers to get customers to move onto the latest and greatest, so they don't last for that long. The previous company I was CTO of had an excellent RD team and they are now the 3D graphics team at ARM. We went into some heavy code optimisation and at times worked closely with ARM so that we could review future processor designs for multimedia capability. However the best results we got were from algorithmic changes, not processor tweaking. The ARM RVCT tool chain provides excellent code output, 40% faster than GNU at the time, so writing assembler wasn't worth the effort. In other words, just because it's an ARM processor didn't make that much difference in the end. A knowledge of embedded systems and system holistics was important though. Avoiding stalls due good caching behaviour and keeping as much as possible in SoC memory were all important, amongst other things, but the big wins were always by being smart in the algorithm and consuming less cycles on a much larger scale. -- CardinalFang CardinalFang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41805 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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So much talk about the interface/controller. My primary concern is audio quality (I own 2 SB3's but ditched the transporter). Is the Wolfson DAC (does anybody know the exact type ?) an improvement or quite the contrary... ? (i've read quote : Quite good... Is there more to say about audio quality on this product ? Because if it's on the same level as an SB3 or worse I do not welcome this particular kind of innovation... For me improving SBx audio quality would make the difference, not the interface... Regards, Eric. -- wtfaidh wtfaidh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14929 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41805 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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You'd be surprised! Given the pace of development, platforms change at an incredible rate, every six months is not unusual and libraries and components change at an equally astonishing rate at times as vendors move in and out of favour. Most devices are based on a limited number of RTOS and there are definite attempts to standardise on platforms, but it's also in the interests of platform providers to get customers to move onto the latest and greatest, so they don't last for that long. I agree - it may not be worthwhile spending much time optimising rather than spend some development effort on a new faster SBC. Overall, given that certain design decisions were made such as using LUA and using Linux rather than an RTOS - Jive was not going to be always used in an embedded system. It seems to me that SBC is not just the first release but also the first embodiment of an extension to the Squeezebox/Squeezecenter architecture. Separating display and control from audio player means there is possibility not only of SBC ported to other platforms but also possibly integrated units with interesting display possibilities (e.g. HDMI) and/or simple IR/Bluetooth keyboard remotes. The limitation will be deciding what will sell and what will give competitive advantage/unique selling point. -- bpa bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41805 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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bpa;256579 Wrote: Overall, given that certain design decisions were made such as using LUA and using Linux rather than an RTOS - Jive was not going to be always used in an embedded system. It seems to me that SBC is not just the first release but also the first embodiment of an extension to the Squeezebox/Squeezecenter architecture. Dean's recent answers to my questions about the aux port as well as SDHC capability of the SBC screams Squeezebox To Go. I see SqueezeCenter becoming not only the excellent music center that powers out Squeezeboxes and Transporters, but also handling music management on portable devices. Logitech doesn't seem to have a portable player, and while the SBC isn't portable in the sense of an iPod Shuffle, it would be great in the car or in a Logitech speaker dock. I firmly believe that the Slim Devices team took the ideas put forth in the forums and have made the SBC far more capable than most people are aware. It's a beautiful thing. -- 4mula1 SlimServer 6.5.4 + Solaris 10 x86: Because Linux would've been too easy! 4mula1's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3439 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41805 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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mkozlows;254645 Wrote: Maybe if I decide to build a good bedside headphone system it'd be useful, but otherwise it's actually less useful than an SB2/3. Incidentally, I've been obsessed with this idea since I posted that, and now I'm almost certain to buy a Duet for the bedroom. Paired with a Headroom Micro Stack, it'll be perfect for those purposes. I'd tried created a bedside system once before with my SB1-G, but didn't like having to aim the remote at the nightstand and twist my head awkwardly to see the screen, plus I didn't get a wireless one back then, so I had a Wifi bridge with a buzzy little fan in it and a mess of cables. The Duet seems like it solves all those problems. But the SB2 stays in the living room, by gum, and in the living room I insist on a screen and a universal remote, by gum. -- mkozlows mkozlows's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=62 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41805 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Engineer Dean stated in this thread (post #53), that: In place of a VFD display it has a single button with an RGB LED behind it. The color of that button is under software control and indicates if the device is connected and working properly. The button acts as a pause/unpause control, or if you press and hold, puts the Receiver into setup mode. I don't have any experience with a wifi device that doesn't have its own screen. I hope that the screenless receiver doesn't create a pandora's (no pun intended) box of support tickets if the little light on front says the receiver isn't working properly and the controller can't communicate with the receiver to figure out why not. I see that the Sonos box also doesn't have a screen. Has that ever created extra support issues when the thing doesn't work properly? -- mortslim mortslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11039 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41805 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Mitch Harding;254713 Wrote: No headphone output is listed on the spec page, so I'm guessing there is not one. The beta controllers do indeed have one, and the production controller shots show one. Internally it's connected to the controller's speaker, so anything you play over the controller's speaker can be played over the headphone output. Currently the speaker is only used for sound effects - BUT - squeezeslave did work on the beta controller at one time (not now), so music playback over the headphone output is possible. -- Mark Lanctot Sean Adams: So you mean, aside from the fact that Squeezebox does not do 96KHz, why doesn't it do 96KHz? Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41805 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Wow, that's a big topic ;) First, let me say this controller is what I wanted! Just like this, no more no less (except for the big list thing I hear will be solved fast). All other future possible functionality will be nice, or not if choose not to use it. The price is a bit steep, especially because I really wanted 2 or 3 of these with the two sb3's I allready have and an extra sb3/receiver I was planning. That said, did I understand correctly that the new receiver doesn't have an Headphone/IR port? I don't really need it to connect headphones but to connect an IR transmitter... it's essential in order to turn on/off my stereo and control volume on it. How are people controlling their Stereo's? Or do you have it connected to an allways on powered speaker? Congrats SD team, great news, I'm sure I'll get at least one... Pedro. -- pfradique pfradique's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8184 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41805 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Gibbo;255055 Wrote: Not even had my second SB3 two weeks, wish i'd waited now. There is that 30-day return policy... -- Mark Lanctot Sean Adams: So you mean, aside from the fact that Squeezebox does not do 96KHz, why doesn't it do 96KHz? Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41805 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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SoundBoy;255065 Wrote: I already own two SB3 and was looking for a beefy SB4 (with color display). Huh? You'll soon have the colour display where you need it - in the palm of your hand. What use would a small colour display be across the room? There you need brightness and extreme contrast - areas where a VFD excels. Seeing album art on a tiny display across the room isn't very useful. -- Mark Lanctot Sean Adams: So you mean, aside from the fact that Squeezebox does not do 96KHz, why doesn't it do 96KHz? Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41805 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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seanadams;255218 Wrote: However, if the receiver is wired then it is possible to use the system without an access point, because the receiver can provide the wireless connectivity for the controller. This is actually one of the most exciting features of the Duet - the receiver acts as a simple AP for the controller. So if the user has a wired network they don't need to change their router to a wireless one to use the Duet - nor do they need a wireless router to use the controller, which can be used with existing SBs/TPs/SliMP3s. This means the extra $100 for the Duet over the SB3 is mitigated by not requiring a wireless router for wired users. And if the firmware could be extended for the SBR to act as a full AP then...? -- Mark Lanctot Sean Adams: So you mean, aside from the fact that Squeezebox does not do 96KHz, why doesn't it do 96KHz? Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41805 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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pfradique;255992 Wrote: That said, did I understand correctly that the new receiver doesn't have an Headphone/IR port? I don't really need it to connect headphones but to connect an IR transmitter... it's essential in order to turn on/off my stereo and control volume on it. How are people controlling their Stereo's? Or do you have it connected to an allways on powered speaker? Pedro. That's the bit that also disappointed me - would have been perfect to put a Receiver inside the AV closet (given the headless design) and to control my amp etc. I don't understand how the draft spec sheet got through design without someone questioning this. Big missed opportunity in my opinion! But I'm still excited about the product as it bridges the gap Sonos had built up and means that I don't have to go down that route. Guess I'll have to continue using my SB3 in the AV closet. Now to find some decent small amps or powered speakers to pair up with the Receiver. -AV Spyder -- AV_Spyder AV_Spyder's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13510 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41805 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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konut;255304 Wrote: Am I corect in assuming that a router isn't needed? That the controller can connect directly to my laptops WiFi? I believe that a router isn't needed in that the controller can connect directly to the -Squeezebox Receiver-, not a laptop, i.e. the SBR functions as an ad-hoc AP. dem;255309 Wrote: When it's in standby, is the LED off? I'm thinking of putting one in a bedroom. It sounds like it would be handy to use the controller while lying in bed. It sounds like you're asking about the controller, which ModelCitizen answered, but Mike Valera was talking about the SBR. Not sure about that one as I haven't seen an SBR, he'd have to answer. Obviously one of those super-bright blue LEDs would be undesirable for use in a bedroom! -- Mark Lanctot Sean Adams: So you mean, aside from the fact that Squeezebox does not do 96KHz, why doesn't it do 96KHz? Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41805 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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On Jan 8, 2008, at 11:12 AM, Mark Lanctot wrote: konut;255304 Wrote: Am I corect in assuming that a router isn't needed? That the controller can connect directly to my laptops WiFi? I believe that a router isn't needed in that the controller can connect directly to the -Squeezebox Receiver-, not a laptop, i.e. the SBR functions as an ad-hoc AP. That's right. dem;255309 Wrote: When it's in standby, is the LED off? I'm thinking of putting one in a bedroom. It sounds like it would be handy to use the controller while lying in bed. It sounds like you're asking about the controller, which ModelCitizen answered, but Mike Valera was talking about the SBR. Not sure about that one as I haven't seen an SBR, he'd have to answer. Obviously one of those super-bright blue LEDs would be undesirable for use in a bedroom! The LED goes to a dim white when powered on and connected but not playing. Unplugged, it goes to a bright black. -dean ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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norderney;255360 Wrote: My music library contains 2362 albums with 29807 songs by 5062 artists. Would that be ok for the new controller or do you think it might struggle? It doesn't matter, this is all handled by SqueezeCentre, and there's no limitation. The controller is merely an advanced interface to SC. The brains are still in the server. The controller can do more than the SB3 can, but the heavy lifting is done by the server as it should be - processing power and memory is cheap and expandable in the server but comparatively limited and fixed in the controller. -- Mark Lanctot Sean Adams: So you mean, aside from the fact that Squeezebox does not do 96KHz, why doesn't it do 96KHz? Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41805 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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DougP;255538 Wrote: 1. The Duet (and individual components) seem really nice and well featured - however, surely this is a me-too initiative, trying to keep up with Sonos? Seems to me they're keeping up with user requests for a graphical wifi remote and a lower-cost, headless SB. 2. Are SD/LT really going to keep the 3-tier offerings they now have? Strikes me this could develop into a hardware maintenance headache for them and something may have to go (the SBx range?) But they share the same fundamental architecture. The controller is the only really new piece of gear. The receiver is mostly a headless SB, the Transporter is a super-SB. 3. Are there any other areas we should be encouraging SD/LT to move into? Video? I've seen this come up again and again - Logitech SMS specializes in audio. Personally I'd like to see a SB boombox/alarm clock with built-in amp and speakers. It's interesting to note that Logitech SMS does closely listen to requests on this forum, the graphical wifi remote and the headless SB have been requested for ~2 years. -- Mark Lanctot Sean Adams: So you mean, aside from the fact that Squeezebox does not do 96KHz, why doesn't it do 96KHz? Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41805 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Some news from CES: Squeezebox Duet won a CES Innovations 2008 award. Details here: http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/172/4177cl=us,en Also, according to this (http://ces.cnet.com/best-of-ces/? tag=ces2008_rnav) in the Home Audio category we're up against Neosonik's no-speaker wires technology (which required powered speakers) and Polk Audio single speaker surround sound. Please feel free to vote for your favorite product here: http://ces.cnet.com/ces/peoples-voice/?tag=ces2008_rnav Thanks! -dean ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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ezkcdude;255635 Wrote: How do you set up the passkey, so that it can gain access to the network? Or, do you not need to do this for ethernet connected devices? The receiver acts as a stripped-down AP and it communicates with the controller. It still needs to be done for Ethernet-connected receivers since there is no screen to see. I would presume the key is set on the controller, but since I don't have a receiver I'm not sure. It would be similar to setting the controller's own key I imagine. -- Mark Lanctot Sean Adams: So you mean, aside from the fact that Squeezebox does not do 96KHz, why doesn't it do 96KHz? Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41805 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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I am way psyched about the controller and will buy one on day one. If it was a little less pricey, I would buy two. Way to go. -- Shredder Shredder's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11380 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41805 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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mvalera;254731 Wrote: The Squeezebox Controller at $299.99 is a great value. It's a mini linux computer with an ARM processor, built in WiFi, a Wolfson DAC (same as the receiver), an IR emitter, a headphone jack, and a SD slot. Mike I thought it DIDN'T have a headphone jack! Now I'm confused. -- NFLnut NFLnut's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13180 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41805 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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NFLnut;25622 Wrote: I thought it DIDN'T have a headphone jack! Now I'm confused. The Squeezebox Controller (SBC) DOES have a headphone jack, and it DOES have a IR Emitter. I think many people here are confusing the specs on the Receiver and the Controller. The Squeezebox Receiver (SBR) DOES NOT have a headphone jack (the Squeezebox 3 (SB3) has one), and many people connected an IR Emitter to the headphone jack, but since the new Squeezebox Receiver (SBR) DOES NOT have a headphone jack, it is not possible to connet the IR Emitter. But since the Duet consist of both the SBR and the SBC, you could use the IR Emitter that is built-in in the SBC. -- pichonCalavera *rip* (eac) *convert* (flac) *tag* (musicbrainz) *normalize* (replaygain/foobar2000) *albumart* (winamp) *transport* (winscp) *store* (debian) *rescan* (slimserver) *play* (squeezebox) *hear* (sennheiser) *scrooble* (last.fm) *enjoy* (me :) pichonCalavera's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13068 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41805 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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mkozlows;254735 Wrote: That's interesting enough, but from my perspective it's a remote control that can only control a single device. Agreeance. Although technically it can control more than one device, but for most of us, that isn't a likelihood. I know there are a few guys here who have more than one SB or Transporter (one I believe had 14), but most of us won't ever have more than one SB. So yes .. it may as well only be able to control one. seanadams;254736 Wrote: That's a bit like saying why would I need a car - my bicycle has wheels and takes me everywhere I need to go. So ... if ALL you want is a remote control that only control a single device, then just keep the free one that came with your SB3! Duet does much, much, more, but if the added capabilities are of no value to YOU, why complain that it's available to everyone else? Because the bottom line is that it only has a singular function. It just comes with pictures. So does an iPod Touch. I believe that there are a few here who are using Touch's to control their Squeezeboxen. But then I can take that same Touch and listen to music on the road, and watch a few movies too. All for the same price as your fancy new remote control. Don't get me wrong .. the controller is cool. It's just WAY overpriced! I'm using my Viewsonic Airpanel to view this forum. It was cool when it came out at a whopping $1200. It was the next best thing for convenient web access when it came out a few years ago. I bought it on a fire sale for $200 a year-and-a-half later. It is now a dead product. I fear that your controller will suffer a similar demise if it is so overpriced that no one buys it! -- NFLnut NFLnut's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13180 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41805 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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NFLnut;256222 Wrote: I thought it DIDN'T have a headphone jack! Now I'm confused. What would be the point of the Controller having a DAC otherwise? -- Nostromo Nostromo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6322 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41805 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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mvalera;254763 Wrote: Enoch the price is the price. If you don't feel it's worth the money we're asking, then you can feel free to vote with your wallet. It's smaller, faster, cheaper and has more functionality than our competitor's controller. We feel that we have priced it aggressively. I'm sorry you don't agree. Mike I think you guys have seriously missed the boat here. Your competition is not really your direct competition! Sonos' customers are looking for one thing. An all-inclusive, simple to use product that streams audio in a neat little package that puts speakers and amp in one box. Your product is purchased by people who would rather have better (separate) speakers and amp, are more geeky, and know how to put the system and its parts together. They also are looking for a better price. I would guess that many consider the $300 Squeezebox to be a little steep. But at least it plays music. You have, IMO way overpriced the controller and using Sonos prices of their products is a serious mistake in determining the price of YOURS. You may have no problems selling that $300 remote to your Transporter customers, but I doubt that you will sell many to your Squeezebox customers. 'Just a thought .. -- NFLnut NFLnut's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13180 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41805 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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NFLnut;256239 Wrote: ...I doubt that you will sell many to your Squeezebox customers... NFLnut IMO you are crazy mistaken there. :) -- NewBuyer NewBuyer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7862 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41805 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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NFLnut;256239 Wrote: You have, IMO way overpriced the controller and using Sonos prices of their products is a serious mistake in determining the price of YOURS. You may have no problems selling that $300 remote to your Transporter customers, but I doubt that you will sell many to your Squeezebox customers. I think the major problem with the price of the Controller is that most people still seems think of the Controller as a remote control not a portable SqueezeBox. I wonder how the discussion would have been if Logitech had hold of the release until they had enabled the headphone output and instead released the controller under the name SqueezeBox Portable. I'm guessing some people would still had complained on the price, specifically those that thinks the old SqueezeBox3 is overpriced. But I suspect most people wouldn't really had any problem with $300 for a portable SqueezeBox. The thing is that SqueezeBox Controller can be turned into a SqueezeBox Portable with just a software upgrade. Even if Logitech still hasn't said this straight out, I'm personally pretty sure this is something that is going to happen. It doesn't make sense to me to include the DAC and the headphone output in the Controller if they didn't have this plan. If I've understand it correctly, the DAC on the Controller is the same as the DAC in the Receiver. So the playback sound quality from the Controller might be pretty close to the Receiver sound quality. I think Logitech has priced the Controller based on this plan and not based on the current functionality it offers, this makes it seem a bit expensive at the moment but in just a few months this feeling might change when a software upgrade is available. The physical format will of course still not be as nice as the physical format of most MP3 players. But for a portable player you use inside the house and outside in the garden and to bring to friends houses, I think the current physical format is acceptable. It is for sure a lot easier to bring the Controller to a friend compared to bringing the SqueezeBox3 to a friend. -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.homeip.net) 'My download page' (http://erland.homeip.net/download) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.homeip.net/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41805 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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On 8-Jan-08, at 9:26 PM, erland wrote: Nostromo;256229 Wrote: What would be the point of the Controller having a DAC otherwise? Maybe I got it all wrong, but the Controller isn't simply a fancy remote, its also a portable Squeezebox. You can plug headphones in it or a boombox or whatever. It will be a portable SqueezeBox but it isn't yet. The reason it isn't yet, is that the headphone output is still not enabled on the Controller. Technically, it is enabled. The sound effects can be heard through the headphone jack if you plug in. The main speaker, however, does not turn off when you do and there is no utility on the controller for playing music (yet) There was a thread on the jive forum regarding the use of squeezeslave on jive. It worked, but something official would need to be far better optimised. -kdf ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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I'm willing to bet they're working on a cheaper, Squeezebox-free version of the Controller for those who don't want a portable Squeezebox. -- Nostromo Nostromo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6322 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41805 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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NewBuyer;256246 Wrote: NFLnut IMO you are crazy mistaken there. :) Time will tell. I have my doubts. And until SOMEONE writes the software, all it is is a remote with pictures. For $300. -- NFLnut NFLnut's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13180 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41805 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
