Re: [slim] Seeking advice on multi-room systems for non-techies
I have a full LMS ecosystem - actually more then one - with SB Touch, SB3, Boom, Radio, Jogglers, Libratone Zipp (AirPlay bridge) and about half a dozen Pis but we do also have a couple of Echo Dots. The dots are used to keep a shopping list running and to switch on/off lights - one is linked to some ceiling mounted speakers in my family bathroom which my wife uses to play a bit of Radio but the sound is not up to my standards. I use the en-suite which has (much better quality) wired speakers on zone 2 from my bedroom AVR with an SB Touch. Ive tried the LMS Mediaskill but its not quite there and I prefer controlling from a phone but for basic stuff I suppose the Dots are worth it as a start point. VB2.4[/B] STORAGE *QNAP TS419P (NFS) [B]Living Room* - Joggler & SB3 -> Onkyo TS606 -> Celestion F20s *Office* - Pi3+Sreen -> Sony TAFE320 -> Celestion F10s / Pi2+DAC & SB3 -> Onkyo CRN755 -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes *Dining Room* -> SB Boom *Kitchen* -> UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* - Pi2+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV)* - SB Touch ->Sherwood AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s Everything controlled by iPeng d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=112330 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Seeking advice on multi-room systems for non-techies
Paul Webster wrote: > See earlier for ruling out of smart speakers. They can turn the microphone off, there's a button conveniently placed on top of the unit to do this. ;) 30653 +---+ |Filename: Echo Dot.jpg | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=30653| +---+ *Server - LMS 8.0.0 *Pi4B 4GB/Flirc case/pCP 6.1.0 18K library, playlists & LMS cache on SSD (ntfs) *Study -* Pi3B+/pCP 5.0.0/pi screen/HiFiBerry DAC+/jivelite, *Lounge* - Pi2/pCP 5.0.0 > HiFiBerry DIGI+ > AudioEngine DAC1 > AVI DM5 *Dining Room* - Squeezebox Boom *Garage* - Squeezebox Touch > Edifier R980T *Spares* - 1xTouch, 1xSB3, 1xRadio, 7xRPi kidstypike's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10436 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=112330 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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kidstypike wrote: > Yes, I have an Echo Dot here in a drawer, used it 3 times just for the > novelty. But it can be attached to an existing amp/speaker setup. See earlier for ruling out of smart speakers. RobbH wrote: > Thanks for all responses so far. > > Paul, what you are describing is very close to what I have in mind, but > my friends don't yet have enough experience with current music > technology to know what their preferences are. They are certain they > don't want always-listening smart speakers. Paul Webster http://dabdig.blogspot.com author of \"now playing\" plugins covering radio france (fip etc), kcrw, supla finland, abc australia, cbc/radio-canada and rte ireland Paul Webster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=105 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=112330 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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castalla wrote: > The problem with the echo dots is the poor audio quality. The Google > minis have better sound, but are nowhere as flexible with > services/skills. > > The screen versions are probably worth the extra - either the Show 5 or > the Google Nest Hub. The Googles have chromecast as a big plus (and can > easily be integrated into LMS if required).. Yes, I have an Echo Dot here in a drawer, used it 3 times just for the novelty. But it can be attached to an existing amp/speaker setup. *Server - LMS 8.0.0 *Pi4B 4GB/Flirc case/pCP 6.1.0 18K library, playlists & LMS cache on SSD (ntfs) *Study -* Pi3B+/pCP 5.0.0/pi screen/HiFiBerry DAC+/jivelite, *Lounge* - Pi2/pCP 5.0.0 > HiFiBerry DIGI+ > AudioEngine DAC1 > AVI DM5 *Dining Room* - Squeezebox Boom *Garage* - Squeezebox Touch > Edifier R980T *Spares* - 1xTouch, 1xSB3, 1xRadio, 7xRPi kidstypike's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10436 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=112330 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Seeking advice on multi-room systems for non-techies
kidstypike wrote: > Squeezebox/LMS is *not* for non-techies, I know, I tried to set up a > system for my sister (I even bought her a Squeezebox Touch), no go, she > and her partner couldn't get their heads round it. They finished up with > a Bose speaker in every room and a Spotify account, controlled from > iPads/phones. > > To demonstrate what the online music experience is like, I would suggest > an Amazon Echo Dot, and a Spotify account. They'll be amazed! > > P.S. I got the Touch back. :) The problem with the echo dots is the poor audio quality. The Google minis have better sound, but are nowhere as flexible with services/skills. The screen versions are probably worth the extra - either the Show 5 or the Google Nest Hub. The Googles have chromecast as a big plus (and can easily be integrated into LMS if required).. LMS server: O2 Joggler with Jivelite, Pi Zero W with PcP 6.0 Amp: Denon PMA-50 Players/Speakers: Touch, Logitech Radios, Sonos Play 1s & Beam, Libratone Zipp, GGMM E2 & E3, Yamaha WXAD-010, Loewe Airspeaker, Google Chromecast Audio, Home Mini & Nest Hub, Amazon Echo 2,3 and Show5, Pioneer WX-SMA1, Roberts S1, O2 Joggler, Cisco Joggler, Fiio M6, Avantree Priva BT transmitter castalla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15624 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=112330 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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RobbH wrote: > Right now, my focus is on getting them some very minimal gear so they > can get experience with online music. I hope that by the time they've > dealt with some pressing house maintenance issues and feel okay about > spending some money on toys, they will have more knowledge about how > things work these days. And they will be better equipped to make choices > that seem bewildering right now. Squeezebox/LMS is *not* for non-techies, I know, I tried to set up a system for my sister (I even bought her a Squeezebox Touch), no go, she and her partner couldn't get their heads round it. They finished up with a Bose speaker in every room and a Spotify account, controlled from iPads/phones. To demonstrate what the online music experience is like, I would suggest an Amazon Echo Dot, and a Spotify account. They'll be amazed! P.S. I got the Touch back. :) *Server - LMS 8.0.0 *Pi4B 4GB/Flirc case/pCP 6.1.0 18K library, playlists & LMS cache on SSD (ntfs) *Study -* Pi3B+/pCP 5.0.0/pi screen/HiFiBerry DAC+/jivelite, *Lounge* - Pi2/pCP 5.0.0 > HiFiBerry DIGI+ > AudioEngine DAC1 > AVI DM5 *Dining Room* - Squeezebox Boom *Garage* - Squeezebox Touch > Edifier R980T *Spares* - 1xTouch, 1xSB3, 1xRadio, 7xRPi kidstypike's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10436 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=112330 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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RobbH wrote: > Speaking of different ways of packaging the same thing, and getting back > to my original question: I am marginally aware of other music systems > based on Raspberry Pi, like Max2Play, but have never felt a need to > investigate anything other than piCorePlayer. Should I be looking at > some of these alternatives when the time comes to set up a permanent > system for my friends? I see that some include LMS, but have never > understood what advantages they might offer. A few years ago I briefly experimented with Max2Play and concluded that it was trying to cover too many bases and as a result required a fair bit of configuration effort. So for the time being I stuck with Vortexbox running on an old Acer Revo. When I tried piCorePlayer on a RPi3 a couple of years back it was a breeze to set up and the Vortexbox got retired. PCP seems specifically aimed at the Squeezebox ecosystem and does it very well. Transporter -> ATC SCM100A cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=112330 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Grumpy Bob wrote: > We seem to have deviated from the main thread somewhat! > True, but some of the best conversations I've ever had have consisted mainly of digressions. > > I found myself wondering if the OP's friends, who don't seem to have a > HiFi if I remember correctly, may not have a music collection in any > formats. In which case a multiroom system aimed at streaming from > Spotify or similar and internet radio might be the easiest setup for > them to use. And then there may be less complex solutions than LMS. > Maybe Volumio or Sonos? > I think their existing music collection is almost entirely vinyl, probably with a few CDs and cassettes. They had a nice component system, circa 1980 or so, which was still working until a few years ago. Having been out of the audio marketplace for many years, they asked for some advice on acquiring a new system, when they're ready to make that investment. By now, they've probably realized that asking me for advice was a foolish mistake. Right now, my focus is on getting them some very minimal gear so they can get experience with online music. I hope that by the time they've dealt with some pressing house maintenance issues and feel okay about spending some money on toys, they will have more knowledge about how things work these days. And they will be better equipped to make choices that seem bewildering right now. My guess is that they will be able to find almost all the music they want on Spotify or some other service, and Sonos may well be a good choice for them. That remains to be seen. I know absolutely nothing about Volumio; what should I know? > > PS I think there is a Chris and Cosey LP which finishes with an > exhortation to turn over and play the other side. There's also the > annoyance of lock grooves on some LPs. One LP in my collection even has > a lock groove in the middle of one side, necessitating getting up and > manually advancing the stylus! I don't think I ever encountered an LP intended for consumer use that had lock grooves. There were good reasons for them in broadcast settings, especially before the days of tape cartridges. Which is also well before my time, but I've seen some of the old transcription discs of national commercials or Public Service Announcements. It would have been a great relief to know that it wouldn't keep going to the next track, if the operator was slow taking it off the air. LMS 8 nightly; 3 Squeezelite players connected by powerline ethernet; 5 wireless players connected via Airplay Bridge; 1 SqueezeAmp player no high-end or esoteric audio gear 1 Squeezebox Radio (upgraded UE Smart Radio) now mostly retired RobbH's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=67008 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=112330 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Seeking advice on multi-room systems for non-techies
We seem to have deviated from the main thread somewhat! I found myself wondering if the OP's friends, who don't seem to have a HiFi if I remember correctly, may not have a music collection in any formats. In which case a multiroom system aimed at streaming from Spotify or similar and internet radio might be the easiest setup for them to use. And then there may be less complex solutions than LMS. Maybe Volumio or Sonos? Robert PS I think there is a Chris and Cosey LP which finishes with an exhortation to turn over and play the other side. There's also the annoyance of lock grooves on some LPs. One LP in my collection even has a lock groove in the middle of one side, necessitating getting up and manually advancing the stylus! *Home: *Raspberry Pi 3/piCoreplayer/LMS8.0.0/Material with files on QNAP TS-251A Touch > DacMagic 100 > Naim Audio Nait 3 > Mission 752 (plus Rega Planar 3 > Rega Fono Mini; Naim CD3) 2 x Squeezebox Radios, 1 X Squeezebox 3 (retired), spare Pi2/piCorePlayer *Office:* LMS8.0.0 running on Raspberry Pi3; Raspberry Pi 3 player with touchscreen/piCorePlayer/IQaudIO DAC and Amp SqueezePad, iPeng as controllers last.fm/user/GrumpyBob Grumpy Bob's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41857 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=112330 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Cool stuff in these inner grooves! *Home:* VBA 4TB (2.5) -or- rPi4B/pCP6.0/4TB>LMS 7.9.3>Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* VBA 3TB (2.4) -or- rPi4B/pCP6.0/4TB>LMS 7.9.1>Touch>Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (ethernet, Radio WIFI) *Office:* Win10(64)>LMS 7.9.3>Squeezelite *The Wild: *rPi3B+/pCP4.0, hifiberry Dac+Pro, 4TB USB (LMS & Squeezelite) *Controllers:* iPhone11 & iPadAir2 (iPeng), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win10(64) *Files:* ripping: dbpa > FLAC; post-rip: mp3tag, PerfectTunes; Streaming: Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=112330 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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RobbH wrote: > I miss the "inner groove" audio on Yer Album by the James Gang. Side 1 > repeated "Turn me over" until the arm lifted. Side 2 said "Play me > again!" Totally missing on the CD.At the end of side 1 of "The Bobby Darin > Story" he says "Now you better turn me over or I'll crash into the label" followed by crashing noises and "Would you pass me the Band-Aids please" Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=112330 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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w3wilkes wrote: > Then there's humor in the migration to CD... "Tom Petty - Full Moon > Fever - Running Down a Dream" at the end of this song on the CD where he > added the blurb; > > Hello CD listeners... > We've come to the point in this album where those listening on cassette, > or records, will have to stand up or sit down and turn over the record > or tape. In fairness to those listeners, we'll now take a few seconds > before we begin side two. I miss the "inner groove" audio on Yer Album by the James Gang. Side 1 repeated "Turn me over" until the arm lifted. Side 2 said "Play me again!" Totally missing on the CD. LMS 8 nightly; 3 Squeezelite players connected by powerline ethernet; 5 wireless players connected via Airplay Bridge; 1 SqueezeAmp player no high-end or esoteric audio gear 1 Squeezebox Radio (upgraded UE Smart Radio) now mostly retired RobbH's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=67008 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=112330 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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RobbH wrote: > Speaking of different ways of packaging the same thing, and getting back > to my original question: I am marginally aware of other music systems > based on Raspberry Pi, like Max2Play, but have never felt a need to > investigate anything other than piCorePlayer. Should I be looking at > some of these alternatives when the time comes to set up a permanent > system for my friends? I see that some include LMS, but have never > understood what advantages they might offer. I've only used piCoreplayer with HiFiBerry DAC as a player and find it to be excellent. I've not touched it for a couple of years now and it just plays and plays. Main system - Rock Solid with LMS 7.9.3 Official on WHS 2011 - 2 Duets and Squeeseslave Cabin system - Rock solid with LMS 7.9.3 Official on Win10 Pro - 1 RPi 3 Model B/Hifiberry DAC+ Pro/PiCorePlayer and Squeezeslave Squeezebox Boom - "At Large" player around both home and cabin Headphones and car - Android phone/Bluetooth w/full library on MicroSD card - PowerAmp music player app (similar to Material Skin) w3wilkes's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=22973 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=112330 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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RobbH wrote: > Speaking of different ways of packaging the same thing, and getting back > to my original question: I am marginally aware of other music systems > based on Raspberry Pi, like Max2Play, but have never felt a need to > investigate anything other than piCorePlayer. Should I be looking at > some of these alternatives when the time comes to set up a permanent > system for my friends? I see that some include LMS, but have never > understood what advantages they might offer. In my opinion, piCoreplayer is the best of the best for running LMS or players on an rPi. It is purpose designed, not generic. Ive looked at other things but see no advantages, only disadvantages. And super well supported and updated. *Home:* VBA 4TB (2.5) -or- rPi4B/pCP6.0/4TB>LMS 7.9.3>Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* VBA 3TB (2.4) -or- rPi4B/pCP6.0/4TB>LMS 7.9.1>Touch>Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (ethernet, Radio WIFI) *Office:* Win10(64)>LMS 7.9.3>Squeezelite *The Wild: *rPi3B+/pCP4.0, hifiberry Dac+Pro, 4TB USB (LMS & Squeezelite) *Controllers:* iPhone11 & iPadAir2 (iPeng), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win10(64) *Files:* ripping: dbpa > FLAC; post-rip: mp3tag, PerfectTunes; Streaming: Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=112330 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Seeking advice on multi-room systems for non-techies
RobbH wrote: > Indeed, many albums on LP could be described similarly, with each side > being a separate and distinct work. When the medium switches to CD, or > folder full of files, or a stream from a server, the pause marking the > boundary between sides is lost. And that changes the experience. It > still shocks me when I play Sgt. Pepper and Within You Without You > starts up immediately after the conclusion of Mr. Kite. Then there's humor in the migration to CD... "Tom Petty - Full Moon Fever - Running Down a Dream" at the end of this song on the CD where he added the blurb; Hello CD listeners... We've come to the point in this album where those listening on cassette, or records, will have to stand up or sit down and turn over the record or tape. In fairness to those listeners, we'll now take a few seconds before we begin side two. Main system - Rock Solid with LMS 7.9.3 Official on WHS 2011 - 2 Duets and Squeeseslave Cabin system - Rock solid with LMS 7.9.3 Official on Win10 Pro - 1 RPi 3 Model B/Hifiberry DAC+ Pro/PiCorePlayer and Squeezeslave Squeezebox Boom - "At Large" player around both home and cabin Headphones and car - Android phone/Bluetooth w/full library on MicroSD card - PowerAmp music player app (similar to Material Skin) w3wilkes's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=22973 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=112330 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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cliveb wrote: > Quite so. LP does not necessarily equate to album. There are LPs that > contain more than one album. Obvious example off the top of my head is > Kate Bush's 1985 LP, which contains the two albums "Hounds of Love" and > "The Ninth Wave": to my mind they are distinctly separate artistic > works. Indeed, many albums on LP could be described similarly, with each side being a separate and distinct work. When the medium switches to CD, or folder full of files, or a stream from a server, the pause marking the boundary between sides is lost. And that changes the experience. It still shocks me when I play Sgt. Pepper and Within You Without You starts up immediately after the conclusion of Mr. Kite. Speaking of different ways of packaging the same thing, and getting back to my original question: I am marginally aware of other music systems based on Raspberry Pi, like Max2Play, but have never felt a need to investigate anything other than piCorePlayer. Should I be looking at some of these alternatives when the time comes to set up a permanent system for my friends? I see that some include LMS, but have never understood what advantages they might offer. LMS 8 nightly; 3 Squeezelite players connected by powerline ethernet; 5 wireless players connected via Airplay Bridge; 1 SqueezeAmp player no high-end or esoteric audio gear 1 Squeezebox Radio (upgraded UE Smart Radio) now mostly retired RobbH's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=67008 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=112330 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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garym wrote: > And I'm with you: an "album" is (most of the time) a collection of songs > that is an artistic statement of the artist, independent of medium. Quite so. LP does not necessarily equate to album. There are LPs that contain more than one album. Obvious example off the top of my head is Kate Bush's 1985 LP, which contains the two albums "Hounds of Love" and "The Ninth Wave": to my mind they are distinctly separate artistic works. Transporter -> ATC SCM100A cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=112330 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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garym wrote: > good point re the origin of album. I'd forgotten seeing some of these > multiple 78s in "books". And I'm with you: an "album" is (most of the > time) a collection of songs that is an artistic statement of the artist, > independent of medium. I believe that when 45rpm records were launched after WW2, they were marketed as an album, to be played as a stack on an autochanger record player. That ended up less popular than 33rpm LPs, and 45s ended up playing a different but important role in popular music. There's an interesting video on 'Techmoan's Youtoube channel' (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbFgVjijrHI=1s). Robert *Home: *Raspberry Pi 3/piCoreplayer/LMS8.0.0/Material with files on QNAP TS-251A Touch > DacMagic 100 > Naim Audio Nait 3 > Mission 752 (plus Rega Planar 3 > Rega Fono Mini; Naim CD3) 2 x Squeezebox Radios, 1 X Squeezebox 3 (retired), spare Pi2/piCorePlayer *Office:* LMS8.0.0 running on Raspberry Pi3; Raspberry Pi 3 player with touchscreen/piCorePlayer/IQaudIO DAC and Amp SqueezePad, iPeng as controllers last.fm/user/GrumpyBob Grumpy Bob's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41857 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=112330 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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RobbH wrote: > I think the term "album" has been used figuratively ever since we moved > beyond the (literal) multipocket album of 78 rpm records, like the one > depicted here: > > 'Toscanini recording of Haydn Symphony on Discogs' > (https://www.discogs.com/Haydn-Philharmonic-Symphony-Orchestra-New-York-Arturo-Toscanini-Symphonie-D-Dur-The-Clock-Symphony/release/12299761) > > How else could you package a recording of something that was too long to > fit on an individual or "single" record? With an LP, all that could go > on just one disc. To put it in more contemporary terms, an LP was a > VIRTUAL album. There's no reason a cassette or 8-track tape cartridge > couldn't be considered an album, too, but by the late sixties we were > accustomed to equating "album" with "LP". I wonder if that was true when > people (a few people, anyway) were buying albums on reel-to-reel tape. > > EPs never caught on in the US, but I had a few in my collection. We > couldn't understand why some of the Beatles' recordings, like Magical > Mystery Tour, were released first on EP. > > As far as I'm concerned, an album is still an album, even if it's a > collection of files or a stream. good point re the origin of album. I'd forgotten seeing some of these multiple 78s in "books". And I'm with you. And "album" is (most of the time) a collection of songs that is an artistic statement of the artist, independent of medium. *Home:* VBA 4TB (2.5) -or- rPi4B/pCP6.0/4TB>LMS 7.9.3>Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* VBA 3TB (2.4) -or- rPi4B/pCP6.0/4TB>LMS 7.9.1>Touch>Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (ethernet, Radio WIFI) *Office:* Win10(64)>LMS 7.9.3>Squeezelite *The Wild: *rPi3B+/pCP4.0, hifiberry Dac+Pro, 4TB USB (LMS & Squeezelite) *Controllers:* iPhone11 & iPadAir2 (iPeng), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win10(64) *Files:* ripping: dbpa > FLAC; post-rip: mp3tag, PerfectTunes; Streaming: Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=112330 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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I think the term "album" has been used figuratively ever since we moved beyond the (literal) multipocket album of 78 rpm records, like the one depicted here: 'Toscanini recording of Haydn Symphony on Discogs' (https://www.discogs.com/Haydn-Philharmonic-Symphony-Orchestra-New-York-Arturo-Toscanini-Symphonie-D-Dur-The-Clock-Symphony/release/12299761) How else could you package a recording of something that was too long to fit on an individual or "single" record? With an LP, all that could go on just one disc. To put it in more contemporary terms, an LP was a VIRTUAL album. There's no reason a cassette or 8-track tape cartridge couldn't be considered an album, too, but by the late sixties we were accustomed to equating "album" with "LP". I wonder if that was true when people (a few people, anyway) were buying albums on reel-to-reel tape. EPs never caught on in the US, but I had a few in my collection. We couldn't understand why some of the Beatles' recordings, like Magical Mystery Tour, were released first on EP. As far as I'm concerned, an album is still an album, even if it's a collection of files or a stream. LMS 8 nightly; 3 Squeezelite players connected by powerline ethernet; 5 wireless players connected via Airplay Bridge; 1 SqueezeAmp player no high-end or esoteric audio gear 1 Squeezebox Radio (upgraded UE Smart Radio) now mostly retired RobbH's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=67008 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=112330 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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garym wrote: > maybe these days we have to only qualify for: lossless vs lossy, > hi-rez vs redbook, or digital vs vinyl. > edit: back in the day it was only about the artist and the "album", and > never a thought to the medium (since we basically had no medium > choices). Perhaps the 2020 equivalent is Spotify! Or other streaming services. Robert *Home: *Raspberry Pi 3/piCoreplayer/LMS8.0.0/Material with files on QNAP TS-251A Touch > DacMagic 100 > Naim Audio Nait 3 > Mission 752 (plus Rega Planar 3 > Rega Fono Mini; Naim CD3) 2 x Squeezebox Radios, 1 X Squeezebox 3 (retired), spare Pi2/piCorePlayer *Office:* LMS8.0.0 running on Raspberry Pi3; Raspberry Pi 3 player with touchscreen/piCorePlayer/IQaudIO DAC and Amp SqueezePad, iPeng as controllers last.fm/user/GrumpyBob Grumpy Bob's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41857 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=112330 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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d6jg wrote: > Back in the day if you said Im listening to Pink Floyds new album it > inferred that you meant on vinyl LP. If you were actually listening to a > cassette or 8-track youd add that qualification. Now its not as > straightforward. > As I type Im listening to The Jams All Mod Cons but its not an LP > its actually a FLAC copy from CD. Is a qualification needed at all > these days? maybe these days we have to only qualify for: lossless vs lossy, hi-rez vs redbook, or digital vs vinyl. *Home:* VBA 4TB (2.5) -or- rPi4B/pCP6.0/4TB>LMS 7.9.3>Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* VBA 3TB (2.4) -or- rPi4B/pCP6.0/4TB>LMS 7.9.1>Touch>Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (ethernet, Radio WIFI) *Office:* Win10(64)>LMS 7.9.3>Squeezelite *The Wild: *rPi3B+/pCP4.0, hifiberry Dac+Pro, 4TB USB (LMS & Squeezelite) *Controllers:* iPhone11 & iPadAir2 (iPeng), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win10(64) *Files:* ripping: dbpa > FLAC; post-rip: mp3tag, PerfectTunes; Streaming: Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=112330 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Back in the day if you said Im listening to Pink Floyds new album it inferred that you meant on vinyl LP. If you were actually listening to a cassette or 4-track youd add that qualification. Now its not as straightforward. As I type Im listening to The Jams All Mod Cons but its not an LP its actually a FLAC copy from CD. Is a qualification needed at all these days? VB2.4[/B] STORAGE *QNAP TS419P (NFS) [B]Living Room* - Joggler & SB3 -> Onkyo TS606 -> Celestion F20s *Office* - Pi3+Sreen -> Sony TAFE320 -> Celestion F10s / Pi2+DAC & SB3 -> Onkyo CRN755 -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes *Dining Room* -> SB Boom *Kitchen* -> UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* - Pi2+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV)* - SB Touch ->Sherwood AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s Everything controlled by iPeng d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=112330 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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d6jg wrote: > Interesting - I used (still do) the words LP and Album in slightly > different ways. > My LPs > Have you heard the new album by > At the time (70s) the album was only released on vinyl (and possibly > cassette) so the words album and LP could be interchanged. yep, LP and album were the same to me. At some point I had 8-tracks in the early 1970s for my car, and referred to them as "8-tracks". Even today, I'm like you in terms of referring to new (or old) releases, that is "I really liked 's new album" or "I finally listened to the album". *Home:* VBA 4TB (2.5) -or- rPi4B/pCP6.0/4TB>LMS 7.9.3>Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* VBA 3TB (2.4) -or- rPi4B/pCP6.0/4TB>LMS 7.9.1>Touch>Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (ethernet, Radio WIFI) *Office:* Win10(64)>LMS 7.9.3>Squeezelite *The Wild: *rPi3B+/pCP4.0, hifiberry Dac+Pro, 4TB USB (LMS & Squeezelite) *Controllers:* iPhone11 & iPadAir2 (iPeng), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win10(64) *Files:* ripping: dbpa > FLAC; post-rip: mp3tag, PerfectTunes; Streaming: Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=112330 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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garym wrote: > Yep, we also used the term "LPs". Never owned an EP in the old days, > and the singles we called "45s". I did also have some 78s that my > grandmother gave me. And yep, we referred to all of these as records, > as in "my record collection". Ahhh, the good old days. :) Interesting - I used (still do) the words LP and Album in slightly different ways. My LPs Have you heard the new album by At the time (70s) the album was only released on vinyl (and possibly cassette) so the words album and LP could be interchanged. VB2.4[/B] STORAGE *QNAP TS419P (NFS) [B]Living Room* - Joggler & SB3 -> Onkyo TS606 -> Celestion F20s *Office* - Pi3+Sreen -> Sony TAFE320 -> Celestion F10s / Pi2+DAC & SB3 -> Onkyo CRN755 -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes *Dining Room* -> SB Boom *Kitchen* -> UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* - Pi2+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV)* - SB Touch ->Sherwood AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s Everything controlled by iPeng d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=112330 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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castalla wrote: > 'Albums' were we kept kept photographs, or pasted collections of > 'exotic' foreign stamps. > > In my day, and place, we called them LP records! There were also EP > records, and just the (single) reccord. Yep, we also used the term "LPs". Never owned an EP in the old days, and the singles we called "45s". I did also have some 78s that my grandmother gave me. And yep, we referred to all of these as records, as in "my record collection". Ahhh, the good old days. :) *Home:* VBA 4TB (2.5) -or- rPi4B/pCP6.0/4TB>LMS 7.9.3>Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* VBA 3TB (2.4) -or- rPi4B/pCP6.0/4TB>LMS 7.9.1>Touch>Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (ethernet, Radio WIFI) *Office:* Win10(64)>LMS 7.9.3>Squeezelite *The Wild: *rPi3B+/pCP4.0, hifiberry Dac+Pro, 4TB USB (LMS & Squeezelite) *Controllers:* iPhone11 & iPadAir2 (iPeng), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win10(64) *Files:* ripping: dbpa > FLAC; post-rip: mp3tag, PerfectTunes; Streaming: Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=112330 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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garym wrote: > albums (today called 'vinyl'). 'Albums' were we kept kept photographs, or pasted collections of 'exotic' foreign stamps. In my day, and place, we called them LP records! There were also EP records, and just the (single) reccord. LMS server: O2 Joggler with Jivelite, Pi Zero W with PcP 6.0 Amp: Denon PMA-50 Players/Speakers: Touch, Logitech Radios, Sonos Play 1s & Beam, Libratone Zipp, GGMM E2 & E3, Yamaha WXAD-010, Loewe Airspeaker, Google Chromecast Audio, Home Mini & Nest Hub, Amazon Echo 2,3 and Show5, Pioneer WX-SMA1, Roberts S1, O2 Joggler, Cisco Joggler, Fiio M6, Avantree Priva BT transmitter castalla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15624 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=112330 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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RobbH wrote: > Yes, for some of us, the idea of having no audio gear is worse than > horrifying, it's unthinkable. Obviously, my friends are not quite like > that. It's not that they're indifferent to music, they just have higher > priorities. (I can say that, but mentally I can't quite grasp it.) In -Maslow's hierarchy of needs, -audio gear and music are in my base physiological level. ;) *Home:* VBA 4TB (2.5) -or- rPi4B/pCP6.0/4TB>LMS 7.9.3>Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* VBA 3TB (2.4) -or- rPi4B/pCP6.0/4TB>LMS 7.9.1>Touch>Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (ethernet, Radio WIFI) *Office:* Win10(64)>LMS 7.9.3>Squeezelite *The Wild: *rPi3B+/pCP4.0, hifiberry Dac+Pro, 4TB USB (LMS & Squeezelite) *Controllers:* iPhone11 & iPadAir2 (iPeng), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win10(64) *Files:* ripping: dbpa > FLAC; post-rip: mp3tag, PerfectTunes; Streaming: Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=112330 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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garym wrote: > p.s. I had to smile about lack of any stereo stuff. I can think back to > my younger, broke days when everything* I had would fit in a single > suitcase. But even then I had a Receiver, Turntable, speakers, and a few > crates of albums (today called 'vinyl'). > > *everything except the stereo and records Yes, for some of us, the idea of having no audio gear is worse than horrifying, it's unthinkable. Obviously, my friends are not quite like that. It's not that they're indifferent to music, they just have higher priorities. (I can say that, but mentally I can't quite grasp it.) LMS 8 nightly; 3 Squeezelite players connected by powerline ethernet; 5 wireless players connected via Airplay Bridge; 1 SqueezeAmp player no high-end or esoteric audio gear 1 Squeezebox Radio (upgraded UE Smart Radio) now mostly retired RobbH's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=67008 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=112330 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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RobbH wrote: > Thanks for all suggestions. The sense I'm getting so far is that an LMS > system should work for them in the long run. But we aren't there yet. > They really have no hardware for playing music at present, and right now > the budget doesn't allow for even a basic Sonos system. I'll probably > lend them a spare bluetooth speaker and an old phone so they can get > started and experiment with streaming services. (They do not want music > playing at home to be tied to the phones they use.) My hope is that by > the time they have dealt with the home maintenance issues that are > currently straining the budget, they will have some experience with > contemporary ways of listening to music. Then they should be in a much > better position to decide what they want to invest in. yep, given no playback equipment, and no money, an old phone with wifi, a subscription to Spotify, etc. and a bluetooth speaker is probably the best answer. Even this "system" will be a major improvement on what they have now (nothing). p.s. I had to smile about lack of any stereo stuff. I can think back to my younger, broke days when everything* I had would fit in a single suitcase. But even then I had a Receiver, Turntable, speakers, and a few crates of albums (today called 'vinyl'). *everything except the stereo and records *Home:* VBA 4TB (2.5) -or- rPi4B/pCP6.0/4TB>LMS 7.9.3>Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* VBA 3TB (2.4) -or- rPi4B/pCP6.0/4TB>LMS 7.9.1>Touch>Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (ethernet, Radio WIFI) *Office:* Win10(64)>LMS 7.9.3>Squeezelite *The Wild: *rPi3B+/pCP4.0, hifiberry Dac+Pro, 4TB USB (LMS & Squeezelite) *Controllers:* iPhone11 & iPadAir2 (iPeng), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win10(64) *Files:* ripping: dbpa > FLAC; post-rip: mp3tag, PerfectTunes; Streaming: Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=112330 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Thanks for all suggestions. The sense I'm getting so far is that an LMS system should work for them in the long run. But we aren't there yet. They really have no hardware for playing music at present, and right now the budget doesn't allow for even a basic Sonos system. I'll probably lend them a spare bluetooth speaker and an old phone so they can get started and experiment with streaming services. (They do not want music playing at home to be tied to the phones they use.) My hope is that by the time they have dealt with the home maintenance issues that are currently straining the budget, they will have some experience with contemporary ways of listening to music. Then they should be in a much better position to decide what they want to invest in. LMS 8 nightly; 3 Squeezelite players connected by powerline ethernet; 5 wireless players connected via Airplay Bridge; 1 SqueezeAmp player no high-end or esoteric audio gear 1 Squeezebox Radio (upgraded UE Smart Radio) now mostly retired RobbH's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=67008 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=112330 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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garym wrote: > True if they only want to stream. However, I don't think these two > ropieeeXL endpoints would synch to one another exactly unless running > something like Roon or LMS. Simply as two standalone spotify endpoints, > they'd be off synch (assuming they want synched players, that is, one > could hear both at the same time in one's home) yeah, not sure if spotify connect supports syncing. however, ropieeeXL also supports airplay, which does. but as someone else has noted, two sonos ones is probably the simplest, cheapest way to do this, and integrate local and online libraries. -- 4 TB Drobo-->FW 800-->mac mini-->Ethernet Transporter--> Wireworld Eclipse 6 coax-->Meridian G61 G61--> Nordost Red Dawn-->Primare 30.3 Primare-->Ocos--Vienna Acoustics Beethoven/Maestro netchord's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21002 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=112330 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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In the original post an interim measure of a bluetooth speaker was suggested. If budget allows I'd upgrade that to a Bluetooth / AirPlay speaker - something like a Libratone Zipp - as it could then be used with Phillipe's AirPlay Bridge plugin in a future LMS. Its also a very good portable speaker. VB2.4[/B] STORAGE *QNAP TS419P (NFS) [B]Living Room* - Joggler & SB3 -> Onkyo TS606 -> Celestion F20s *Office* - Pi3+Sreen -> Sony TAFE320 -> Celestion F10s / Pi2+DAC & SB3 -> Onkyo CRN755 -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes *Dining Room* -> SB Boom *Kitchen* -> UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* - Pi2+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV)* - SB Touch ->Sherwood AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s Everything controlled by iPeng d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=112330 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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netchord wrote: > an even simpler option might be a pair of RPis running ropieeeXL as > Spotify Connect endpoints. then use Spotify as your player. done. no > server necessary. True if they only want to stream. However, I don't think these two ropieeeXL endpoints would synch to one another exactly unless running something like Roon or LMS. Simply as two standalone spotify endpoints, they'd be off synch (assuming they want synched players, that is, one could hear both at the same time in one's home) *Home:* VBA 4TB (2.5) -or- rPi4B/pCP6.0/4TB>LMS 7.9.3>Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* VBA 3TB (2.4) -or- rPi4B/pCP6.0/4TB>LMS 7.9.1>Touch>Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (ethernet, Radio WIFI) *Office:* Win10(64)>LMS 7.9.3>Squeezelite *The Wild: *rPi3B+/pCP4.0, hifiberry Dac+Pro, 4TB USB (LMS & Squeezelite) *Controllers:* iPhone11 & iPadAir2 (iPeng), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win10(64) *Files:* ripping: dbpa > FLAC; post-rip: mp3tag, PerfectTunes; Streaming: Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=112330 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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I'm unclear on whether your friends already have a stereo or powered speakers to use with LMS. If so, setting up a Raspberry Pi server/player and controlling via mobile device is the way to go. If not, I'd take a closer look at Sonos. A pair of Sonos One can be configured for stereo or set up in different rooms as needed. Same mobile control and no server necessary. If your friends subscribe to Amazon Prime, Sonos will play the included Amazon Music service. This from an absolute LMS fanboy. Apesbrain's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=738 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=112330 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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an even simpler option might be a pair of RPis running ropieeeXL as Spotify Connect endpoints. then use Spotify as your player. done. -- 4 TB Drobo-->FW 800-->mac mini-->Ethernet Transporter--> Wireworld Eclipse 6 coax-->Meridian G61 G61--> Nordost Red Dawn-->Primare 30.3 Primare-->Ocos--Vienna Acoustics Beethoven/Maestro netchord's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21002 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=112330 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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RobbH wrote: > Thanks, Clive, that's good to know. > > Incidentally, I am not only inquiring about the suitability of LMS for > my friends. If anybody thinks some non-LMS system would be a better fit > for them, I would like to hear about it. It just needs to be easily > upgradeable and expandable, preferably without being tied to a single > manufacturer. You see why LMS is at the top of the list! It seems the major options would be LMS, Roon, or Sonos. Roon is not free, and if they struggle with LMS technology, they would with Roon as well. Sonos is supposedly simpler to deal with (although can still have network issues, etc.), but way less flexible, and tied to only SONOS players. I'd say a simple LMS setup, with rPi PiCorePlayer, local music on attached USB drive, a smart device controller on phone/pad (ipeng for iOS or use the MATERIAL interface), and a streaming service like Spotify or Tidal would be the simplest option. The "hardest" part of the LMS setup is the initial setup (and you'll be helping with that). Just using the setup should be essentially transparent to the users. My wife just "locates" what she wants to play (internet radio, podcast, local music, spotify) using a controller, selects it, and it plays. She's been using the system for over 10 years and has no clue how it works, etc. And it simply just works, year in and year out. Until the virus stuff, I traveled a lot and could be gone for weeks at a time. System never failed in my absence! *Home:* VBA 4TB (2.5) -or- rPi4B/pCP6.0/4TB>LMS 7.9.3>Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* VBA 3TB (2.4) -or- rPi4B/pCP6.0/4TB>LMS 7.9.1>Touch>Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (ethernet, Radio WIFI) *Office:* Win10(64)>LMS 7.9.3>Squeezelite *The Wild: *rPi3B+/pCP4.0, hifiberry Dac+Pro, 4TB USB (LMS & Squeezelite) *Controllers:* iPhone11 & iPadAir2 (iPeng), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win10(64) *Files:* ripping: dbpa > FLAC; post-rip: mp3tag, PerfectTunes; Streaming: Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=112330 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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RobbH wrote: > This is what I was hoping to hear. Still interested in hearing others' > thoughts on this. > > Why do I update every week? Because I can!Just use the stable 7.9 version and > be done with it. I have three friends I set up this way and they've been using this setup for years now. Sent from my SM-G975W using Tapatalk doctor_big's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15196 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=112330 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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cliveb wrote: > This is just one anecdotal data point... > I have piCorePlayer v4.1.0 running 24/7 on a RPi3B. The LMS cache is on > the external USB drive. > Over the last year or so, for various reasons (a faulty oven and a > faulty outdoor light) an RCD on the fusebox has tripped - I'd guess a > total of about 5 times. > On every occasion, when power was restored the RPi automatically > rebooted and piCorePlayer came back up without any drama and no > corruption. Thanks, Clive, that's good to know. Incidentally, I am not only inquiring about the suitability of LMS for my friends. If anybody thinks some non-LMS system would be a better fit for them, I would like to hear about it. It just needs to be easily upgradeable and expandable, preferably without being tied to a single manufacturer. You see why LMS is at the top of the list! LMS 8 nightly; 3 Squeezelite players connected by powerline ethernet; 5 wireless players connected via Airplay Bridge; 1 SqueezeAmp player no high-end or esoteric audio gear 1 Squeezebox Radio (upgraded UE Smart Radio) now mostly retired RobbH's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=67008 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=112330 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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garym wrote: > exactly. I over simplified. But you're correct, it is best to use > piCorePlayer to properly shutdown the rPi if the rPi is running LMS. > Not doing so (just pulling the plug), won't necessarily corrupt the SD > card, but it might. I *think* (not sure) that if one has LMS running > but has the setting to transfer the LMS cache, etc. to the attached USB > drive rather than having it on the SD card, the odds of corruption are > less. This is just one anecdotal data point... I have piCorePlayer v4.1.0 running 24/7 on a RPi3B. The LMS cache is on the external USB drive. Over the last year or so, for various reasons (a faulty oven and a faulty outdoor light) an RCD on the fusebox has tripped - I'd guess a total of about 5 times. On every occasion, when power was restored the RPi automatically rebooted and piCorePlayer came back up without any drama and no corruption. Transporter -> ATC SCM100A cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=112330 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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garym wrote: > exactly. I over simplified. But you're correct, it is best to use > piCorePlayer to properly shutdown the rPi if the rPi is running LMS. > Not doing so (just pulling the plug), won't necessarily corrupt the SD > card, but it might. I *think* (not sure) that if one has LMS running > but has the setting to transfer the LMS cache, etc. to the attached USB > drive rather than having it on the SD card, the odds of corruption are > less. But in my brother's case, I had him get a UPS to plug his rPi > and router/modem into (so a power blip wouldn't cause the rPi to lose > power). And I left him with a 2nd SD card already setup, so if the > worst happens, I can walk him through removing the old SD card and > replacing the SD card and then rebooting. Thanks! LMS 8 nightly; 3 Squeezelite players connected by powerline ethernet; 5 wireless players connected via Airplay Bridge; 1 SqueezeAmp player no high-end or esoteric audio gear 1 Squeezebox Radio (upgraded UE Smart Radio) now mostly retired RobbH's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=67008 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=112330 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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RobbH wrote: > > Gary, I notice your brother's instructions are to pull the plug if > there's a problem with pcp. I understand that can cause problems when > LMS is running on pcp. Do you do anything to deal with issues that might > arise? Is it enough to be sure there's a backup SD card ready to swap > out, in case the one in use becomes corrupted? exactly. I over simplified. But you're correct, it is best to use piCorePlayer to properly shutdown the rPi if the rPi is running LMS. Not doing so (just pulling the plug), won't necessarily corrupt the SD card, but it might. I *think* (not sure) that if one has LMS running but has the setting to transfer the LMS cache, etc. to the attached USB drive rather than having it on the SD card, the odds of corruption are less. But in my brother's case, I had him get a UPS to plug his rPi and router/modem into (so a power blip wouldn't cause the rPi to lose power). And I left him with a 2nd SD card already setup, so if the worst happens, I can walk him through removing the old SD card and replacing the SD card and then rebooting. *Home:* VBA 4TB (2.5) -or- rPi4B/pCP6.0/4TB>LMS 7.9.3>Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* VBA 3TB (2.4) -or- rPi4B/pCP6.0/4TB>LMS 7.9.1>Touch>Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (ethernet, Radio WIFI) *Office:* Win10(64)>LMS 7.9.3>Squeezelite *The Wild: *rPi3B+/pCP4.0, hifiberry Dac+Pro, 4TB USB (LMS & Squeezelite) *Controllers:* iPhone11 & iPadAir2 (iPeng), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win10(64) *Files:* ripping: dbpa > FLAC; post-rip: mp3tag, PerfectTunes; Streaming: Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=112330 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Thanks for all responses so far. Paul, what you are describing is very close to what I have in mind, but my friends don't yet have enough experience with current music technology to know what their preferences are. They are certain they don't want always-listening smart speakers. Other than that, I'm trying to get them to play around with streaming services, so they can find out what they like and whether they need to have a local library. bpa, thanks for your clarification about when updates are needed. That's something I'll need to keep in mind for my friends. Gary, I notice your brother's instructions are to pull the plug if there's a problem with pcp. I understand that can cause problems when LMS is running on pcp. Do you do anything to deal with issues that might arise? Is it enough to be sure there's a backup SD card ready to swap out, in case the one in use becomes corrupted? LMS 8 nightly; 3 Squeezelite players connected by powerline ethernet; 5 wireless players connected via Airplay Bridge; 1 SqueezeAmp player no high-end or esoteric audio gear 1 Squeezebox Radio (upgraded UE Smart Radio) now mostly retired RobbH's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=67008 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=112330 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Yatsushiro wrote: > There is no need to do this. A good, solid installation on good, solid > reliable hardware will run for years w/o input. Why do you update every > week? There are plenty of users running LMS 7.X and PCP <5 without a > problem, just enjoying the music... agree, I setup an rPi3B+ and attached USB drive for my brother. Running piCoreplayer 4.0 (not the current 6.0) and whatever LMS I originally setup. It's on 24/7 sitting next to their router. They haven't touched it in over a year. All they know is that if something ever quits working, just unplug and plugin the rPi itself, wait 3 minutes, and it should all be back. They haven't even had to do that. (I was just worried about power outage type events that might require that). I've had older vortexbox servers running where LMS and the VB OS has been up and running for over 8 months without even a reboot. *Home:* VBA 4TB (2.5)>LMS 7.9.2>Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* VBA 3TB (2.4)>LMS 7.9.1>Touch>Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (ethernet, Radio WIFI) *Office:* Win10(64)>LMS 7.9.2>Squeezelite *The Wild (no internet): *PiCorePlayer 4.0 on rPi 3B+, hifiberry Dac+Pro, 4TB USB (LMS & Squeezelite) *Controllers:* iPhone6 & iPadAir2 (iPeng), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win10(64) laptop *Files:* ripping: dbpa > FLAC; post-rip: mp3tag, PerfectTunes; Streaming: Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=112330 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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RobbH wrote: > This is what I was hoping to hear. Still interested in hearing others' > thoughts on this. > > Why do I update every week? Because I can! The main reason for updates is use of external services such as playing streaming services or internet radio - these external systems change with time. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=112330 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Do they have music / audio files stored locally on networked computer(s)? Is their main intention to listen to internet radio? Do they want to pay for an internet music service without adverts? (If yes - any preferences for which one?) Are they OK to control things using mobile phone/tablet/computer screen - or do they expect to navigate menus on the devices themselves? Does their HiFi have a spare Aux In socket? Easy way forward ... Raspberry Pi (without without a case) hiding behind the HiFi and plugged in via the Pi 3.5mm socket (not the best quality but a lot better than it was when they first launched). Ideally Ethernet from that to their broadband router - but WiFi will work. Best to have Ethernet to LMS if there will be multiple zones connecting to it. Use that first to get familiar with it ... and if OK then other RPi (even RPi Zero W) for other zones - but will need active (powered) speakers or HiFi or an add-on amplifier board on the RPi to drive passive speakers (or get a SqueezeAMP from Philippe as it has a built-in amp). Alternative route if not playing local music ... get Amazon Alexa devices (if they do not care about a listening device being in the room) ... they can be sync'd and can be plugged into HiFi for better sound. Paul Webster http://dabdig.blogspot.com author of \"now playing\" plugins covering radio france (fip etc), kcrw, supla finland, abc australia, cbc/radio-canada and rte ireland Paul Webster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=105 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=112330 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Yatsushiro wrote: > There is no need to do this. A good, solid installation on good, solid > reliable hardware will run for years w/o input. Why do you update every > week? There are plenty of users running LMS 7.X and PCP <5 without a > problem, just enjoying the music... This is what I was hoping to hear. Still interested in hearing others' thoughts on this. Why do I update every week? Because I can! LMS 8 nightly; 3 Squeezelite players connected by powerline ethernet; 5 wireless players connected via Airplay Bridge; 1 SqueezeAmp player no high-end or esoteric audio gear 1 Squeezebox Radio (upgraded UE Smart Radio) now mostly retired RobbH's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=67008 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=112330 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Seeking advice on multi-room systems for non-techies
RobbH wrote: > LMS would be a great way to achieve what they want. But I can't see > them happily running software updates at least every week, as I do. There is no need to do this. A good, solid installation on good, solid reliable hardware will run for years w/o input. Why do you update every week? There are plenty of users running LMS 7.X and PCP <5 without a problem, just enjoying the music... Yatsushiro's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=66935 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=112330 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
