Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Problem with List box form control properties

2011-02-21 Thread David Nelson
Hi Hal, Barbara, :-)

On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 04:32, Hal Parker halparke...@gmail.com wrote:
 Sorry, I'm not going to join the devs list (no time for another list), so I
 hope someone else (who is already on that list) will ask and then let us
 know the answers.

OK, well as soon as I get a chance to reproduce the problem myself,
I'll follow up on it.

David Nelson

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Hello again

2011-02-21 Thread David Nelson
Hi Rogerio, :-)

Ha! So you're back after all those touching farewells! Just goes to
show: never say never. :-)

I'm CC'ing this mail to Florian, the Lord of the Lists, who will
undoubtedly do the necessary, i.e.:

 So I am requesting some help to get access to moderate our mailing list
 d...@pt-br.libreofice.org which no one seems to know who actually owns ou
 moderates it.

David Nelson


On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 09:50, Rogerio Luz Coelho luz.roge...@gmail.com wrote:
 So ...

 I am back ...

 The brazilian community in the past weeks has worked and continues to work
 to twart what we consider to be abusive leadership, but that is another
 matter.

 What is a big deal is that we are starting to reorganize ourselves and seems
 that it is my role to be Coordinator of the Documentation Project for pt-br.


 Big Wow ... who would guess.

 So I am requesting some help to get access to moderate our mailing list
 d...@pt-br.libreofice.org which no one seems to know who actually owns ou
 moderates it.

 Will be posting some exciting news in our front in the next few days.

 Rogerio Luz Coelho , MD
 Documentation Coordinator for LibreOffice (pt-br)

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Ubuntu Community Documentation

2011-02-23 Thread David Nelson
Hi Johnny, :-)

Well that could be one approach. But the documentation we have is
still very much a work in progress. We'd be continuing to work on it,
and you'd have an out-of-date copy. It would be particularly sad since
we are about to re-do *all* the screenshots in the docs. They're
currently mostly taken under Windows. The plan is to re-take all the
screenshots under Ubuntu 10.10. And that's just one of the tasks
scheduled.

We'd love to keep you with us, Johnny. It seems like a sad duplication
of effort for you to be documenting LibreOffice over there while
we're doing the same thing over here. :-D

When you wrote to me asking me where to start, I mentioned that the
best thing would be to write to Hal and Barbara on the list, because
they are the people with the closest view of the work right now.

Me, I've been busy dealing with Alfresco, plus I've also had client
work to do that has meant that I've not actually been doing any
documenting recently.

To make up for that, I had volunteered to re-take all those
screenshots. But, for instance, this could be one task you could help
out with, Johnny.

Hal, Barbara, can you guys organize Johnny and me and point us both at
some work, given that you know best where we are with things right
now?

By the way, we already have a couple of meta tasks we need to get done:

1) We need to finalize a LibreOffice versioning system to maintain in
the meta info of each file we work on.

2) We need to finalize the chapter template.

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Ubuntu Community Documentation

2011-02-23 Thread David Nelson
Hi Johnny, :-)

In any case, it's great that you're an Ubuntu user. Me, too. We can
perfectly well divide the screenshooting (screenshotting?) between us.

For the desktop theme, I'd go with the default Ubuntu theme. The tool
I'd use, unless you have a better suggestion, would be
gnome-screenshot.

In LibreOffice Options  General  Open/Save dialogs, we should
activate Use LibreOffice dialogs.

Let's wait for Hal, Barbara and whoever else to post back and then
figure out a work specification all together (what's needed, sizes,
etc.) . I'll be free to work on this Saturday or Sunday.

David Nelson

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Wiki problem: {{Lang}}

2011-02-23 Thread David Nelson
Hi Rogerio, :-)

The best place to post about this is the website list. You're more
likely to get a helpful answer there...

David Nelson

On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 11:16, Rogerio Luz Coelho luz.roge...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello all.

 I am having a Wiki problem: I am trying to translate the Wiki_Multilingual
 page to pt-br, it all goes fine, but I am not able to change the Title by
 using the Template {{Lang|New Tilte}} in the begining of the page.

 Any one seen some similar dificulty?

 Rogerio

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[libreoffice-documentation] Alfresco down for domain rollover

2011-02-25 Thread David Nelson
Hi, :-)

I'm currently dealing with the domain rollover, and the server will be
down for a short time (maybe 1 hour). I'll mail back when it's up
again.

David Nelson

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Ubuntu Community Documentation

2011-02-25 Thread David Nelson
Hi, :-)

David Nelson




On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 18:05, Karl-Heinz Gödderz
libreoff...@gukk-online.de wrote:
 just to inform you, the published versions of the documentations are on
 the Wiki http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation
 in Alfresco and ODF-Authors are only the working copies.

 So it would be better to use the documents on the Wiki, I think.

It would be even better if Johnny were to work with the LibreOffice
docs team here and not to duplicate effort needlessly, don't you
think, Karl-Heinz?

The best way to contribute to LibreOffice documentation is to work
with the LibreOffice docs team. It's pointless for outside projects to
be developing documentation for LibreOffice separately from the
LibreOffice project.

My 2 cents.

David Nelson

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] volunteering

2011-02-25 Thread David Nelson
Hi Marc, :-)

On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 13:14, Marc Grober m...@interak.com wrote:
 I could not get a functional footnote tab so was concerned that the
 footnote tab functionality had either been deleted accidentally or moved
 and the and documentation had not been updated.

 In the interim I have discovered that the issue was that the footnote
 tab simply does not line up with the other tabs so it is easy to miss.

Erm, what software are you talking about, exactly?


 In any event, having spent some time writing documentation for Moodle,
 and having been the beneficiary of the work on OpenOffice for quite some
 time,  I thought I would offer to help out with documentation.

That would be great. Have you an idea of where you'd like to start?

David Nelson

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Ubuntu Community Documentation

2011-02-26 Thread David Nelson
Hi Helmar, :-)

On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 22:44, Helmar tuc...@gmail.com wrote:
 I agree David... I just joined the docs team but I'm a little lost with some
 stuff... I joined Alfresco too but what documentation is the oficial version
 to be translated?

We always post the latest finalized version of documents or the wiki
at http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation

However, the English docs team stores its work on
http://alfresco.libreoffice.org / http://documentation.libreoffice.org
(they are the two Web-facing interfaces of the same Alfresco ECM
[Enterprise Content Management] system).

So the bleeding edge of English docs work can be found on Alfresco.

 How can I get access to Alfresco?

I created a user account for you at http://alfresco.libreoffice.org /
http://documentation.libreoffice.org and I've mailed you the details
plus some Alfresco-related documentation to get you started.

If you'd like to use Alfresco for translations of existing English
LibreOffice documentation or for creating your own adapted/new
content, it's no problem at all, and we can give you any help you
need. For instance, you can have your own dedicated team space
containing all the latest and greatest content available for
translation.

It would probably be a good idea to discuss the idea with your other
team members beforehand and see if you have a general consensus about
using Alfresco, so that no-one is duplicating work. If you guys do
decide to go with Alfresco, then please give me a heads-up and I/we
will do whatever necessary to set things up for you and help you get
started.

At the present moment, there's no self-registration on Alfresco, so
you'd need to give us a nudge here to create the necessary user
accounts.

David Nelson

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Ubuntu Community Documentation

2011-02-27 Thread David Nelson
Hi, :-)

On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 21:43, Helmar tuc...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi David according my local friends the US team didn't allow us to take
 our jobs to Alfresco...
 I'm trying to undestand what's going on

Ah OK, well, it would be interesting to know why if you manage to fine
out... ;-)

David Nelson

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[libreoffice-documentation] Teaching LibreOffice as primary personal productivity tool within universities

2011-03-02 Thread David Nelson
Hi, :-)

It sounds like what you're wanting to do is undocumented within the
short life of the LibreOffice community but *needs* to be nurtured by
the LibreOffice community for your needs and for other educational
institutions.

As one of the documentation team, I'll be pleased to be a specific
liaison point to help you deal easily with the project and get the
support and cooperation you need, and to repatriate the learning and
best practices to the LibreOffice project.

May I suggest that you sign up for our documentation mailing list [1]
and tell us more about your project and what you'd like to develop
with the community?

[1] documentation+subscr...@libreoffice.org

David Nelson

On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 05:06, James Wilde james.wi...@sunde-wilde.com wrote:
 You have sent your answer only to me, Leon, so I'm replying and at the same 
 time sending your mail to our user mail list.  That's where the experts hang 
 out, all of them users of LibreOffice, none of them employees, just willing 
 volunteers.  Keep an eye on the list for answers to your question, and please 
 ensure you reply to all users, so that your replies go back to the list.  You 
 can also access the list via a forum-like interface at 
 http://www.documentfoundation.org/nabble (You'll have to sign in to post)

 List members please note to include Leon's email address in replies as he is 
 not at the moment subscribed to the list.

 //James

 On Mar 2, 2011, at 21:43 , Stevens, Leon wrote:

 I teach at a small university, and I'm looking for information.

 I've downloaded the documentation for LibreOffice, and it looks very, very 
 good.

 We're considering not joining the herd, we're considering teaching Writer, 
 Calc, and Base, instead of MS Office, and we'd like to consider using the 
 documentation as a base document.

 Question: Has anyone written a textbook, using the documentation as a 
 foundation, which would give additional information, practice problems, and 
 the like?

 Leon Stevens, PhD
 Assoc. Professor


 -Original Message-
 From: James Wilde [mailto:james.wi...@sunde-wilde.com]
 Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2011 14:40 PM
 To: Stevens, Leon
 Cc: documentation@libreoffice.org
 Subject: Re: Commands available for documentation@libreoffice.org

 You have got to several, Leon.  What's your problem?

 //James
 One of the moderators

 On Mar 2, 2011, at 21:12 , Stevens, Leon wrote:

 How do I get to a person, not an automated message?

 Leon Stevens, PhD
 Assoc. Professor

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Alfresco down for domain rollover

2011-03-02 Thread David Nelson
Hi Rogerio, :-)

You want to give me names and mail addresses then I'll create the
accounts for you?

David Nelson




On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 11:39, Rogerio Luz Coelho luz.roge...@gmail.com wrote:
 David there has been some movement on the Brazilian front to test Alfresco
 ... how can I give some people user status? Only you guys can do it?

 Rogerio

 2011/2/25 David Nelson comme...@traduction.biz

 Hi, :-)

 Alfresco has now been rolled over to libreoffice.org subdomains.

 Your usual interface (Alfresco Explorer) is exposing on
 http://alfresco.libreoffice.org
  in German. Please hit the login link, choose English as your
 interface language and then login as usual. Things will return to
 normal. We will figure out the solution to this little... anomaly...
 in the next few days.

 Alfresco Share is exposing on http://documentation.libreoffice.org
 At the moment, you have to login (use your usual credentials), but
 Samphan and I will be reconfiguring this to just show a public
 interface ASAP.

 David Nelson

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Alfresco site offline?

2011-03-09 Thread David Nelson
Hi guys,

Sorry, I'm very tardy in replying, I've been absent a few days, and
have been somewhat occupied, as you will learn. I've got some good
news and some bad news for you.

First, the bad news. After having done some particularly-inspired
configuration work on Alfresco, it came crashing to a halt and died.
This was the admin's human error, not Alfresco's.

All attempts to fix the problem over the past few days have been
fruitless to date. If anyone is curious and wants to download a backup
of the crashed site, you can get it at [1] - a juicy 759 Mb. It
contains everything from the system: database, file system, the
currently-inaccessible data, etc.

There is a completely new and working Alfresco installation on
http://alfresco.libreoffice.org and
http://documentation.libreoffice.org, but all user accounts are going
to be have to be recreated.. I will do this as from Friday.

After that, I'll start rebuilding everything. But I currently have no
assurance of being to recover *any* data.

Oh, did I mention good news? Again, I should point out that this was
100% human error and no malfunction of Alfresco's. Alfresco has proven
so far to be extremely stable and reliable on the server, and the
performances are now quite reasonable. This disaster happened in the
same way that a perfectly-working car will drive into a wall if you
point it in that direction.

Now that the domain names have rolled over to the libreoffice.org
domain, I'm planning to contact the Alfresco project and try and get
them involved as a partner in configuring and customizing the site.

For the next 24-48 hours, I'm busy and won't be heard much, but I'll
be working on things over the weekend.

You can imagine how humbly I offer you all my apologies.

[1] traduction.biz/downloads/alfresco-3.4c.back.tar.gz

David Nelson

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Alfresco site offline again

2011-03-18 Thread David Nelson
Hi Hal, :-)

On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 18:26, Hal Parker halparke...@gmail.com wrote:
 The Alfresco site appears to be down again. I think I have all the latest
 Writer Guide chapters, so I'll continue to do screenshots as I have the
 time, and upload them when the site it back again. (I've done Chapters 1, 2,
 and 3, but the site went down before I could get Ch3 uploaded.)

 When I had the chance, I should have taken a copy of all the Calc Guide
 chapters that Barbara had rebranded. Not that I'm likely to find time to
 work on them before the site's up again.

It's up again. I'll put a ping service on both
alfresco.libreoffice.org and documentation.libreoffice.org.

David Nelson

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Alfresco down for domain rollover

2011-04-22 Thread David Nelson
Hi Helmar, :-)

Very belated response. You are now, Helmar.

David Nelson


On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 19:20, Helmar tuc...@gmail.com wrote:
 David... Am I already there?

 Helmar Fernandes
 ===
 Ubuntu Maverick Meerkat user
 www.aquahobby.com
 www.penguim.net/pocosdecaldas



 On 3 March 2011 03:12, David Nelson comme...@traduction.biz wrote:

 Hi Rogerio, :-)

 You want to give me names and mail addresses then I'll create the
 accounts for you?

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] about alfresco platform

2011-04-22 Thread David Nelson
Hi, :-)

On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 11:02, Hal Parker halparke...@gmail.com wrote:
 David Nelson can probably tell you better than I can, but this is what I
 understand. The Alfresco site is intended to be a place for people to work
 on documentation for LibreOffice (ODFAuthors is another place). When
 documents are published, they are made available to users through other
 websites, such as the wiki or the LibreOffice.org website or a separate
 Alfresco site that people do not need to log in to. Different language
 groups can set up their part of the Alfresco site in any way suits their
 preferred workflow.


Alfresco could be used as a document and content storage repository by
just about any team. At the moment, it's being used regularly by the
English docs team.

You have two URLs for Alfresco: http://alfresco.libreoffice.org and
http://documentation.libreoffice.org.

Documentation could be worked on and then theoretically be published
to the world directly from http://documentation.libreoffice.org. But
the TDF wiki is currently the final point of publication for files,
with links to those files also being posted on the libreoffice.org
site (http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/documentation/)

During the recent reinstallation, I set things up so that a space
named after each language code constitutes the main point of entry to
content in that language. The way a language team wants to set things
up within that space is entirely up to them.

If a team wants, we can simply replicate the English space, so that
they can start with the same content and structure as the English docs
team, and then work with that as it is or else adapt it to wishes.

If a language team wants help setting up a space and structure, I'll
be happy to help out in any way needed or do the job for you.

David Nelson

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] about alfresco platform

2011-04-22 Thread David Nelson
Hi, :-)

On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 13:54, CaStarCo casta...@gmail.com wrote:
 I was exploring the alfresco repository and I found that I can open the
 Spanish directory (but I can open the other directories).

Yes, all content is world-browseable (documentation.libreoffice.org).

David Nelson

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] access

2011-04-23 Thread David Nelson
Hi Marc, :-)

On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 23:10, Marc Grober m...@interak.com wrote:
 Sorry if I may have missed a reply,  but the username/password provided
 to me does not work and it is my understanding that this has to be
 redone since the server loss.

I checked and someone has set up an account for you. Are you now able
to access it OK?

David Nelson

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Status of work on user guides?

2011-04-23 Thread David Nelson
Hi, :-)

On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 09:51, Hal Parker halparke...@gmail.com wrote:
 This list has been very quiet, so i'm wondering what others are doing.

After having been extremely taken up recently, I have time again and
I'm currently going through the backlog of threads.

David Nelson

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Fwd: [libreoffice-documentation] Reference Ron Faile Jr. - Personal Budget Template

2011-04-23 Thread David Nelson
Hi, :-)

I have forwarded this to Ron.

David Nelson


-- Forwarded message --
From: Hal Helfand hhelf...@gmail.com
Date: Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 09:31
Subject: [libreoffice-documentation] Reference Ron Faile Jr. -
Personal Budget Template
To: documentation@libreoffice.org


*
Please forward to Ron


Downloaded your Personal budget
templatehttp://wiki.documentfoundation.org/cgi_img_auth.php/7/74/Personal_Budget.ods
by
Ron Faile (version: Jan 9 2011)
*
I think it is Great.  Please check your formula at the bottom where you have
the Income and Expense Summary.

I think you should change the formulas Total Net Income so that you
subtract the expenses from the income.

ie., from =SUM(C31:C32)   to  =+C31-C32

Just thought you would want to know.

Regards,

Hal

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] I'm working on Calc Guide

2011-04-23 Thread David Nelson
Hi, :-)

 Since I've begun with LibreOffice, there seems to be a split between
 the n00bs who joined on with LibreOffice and the old-schoolers who
 have been up and down since StarOffice, and what is the best way to work
 toward LibreOffice documentation.

 I just want to see one big happy family working in a coordinated way.
 In light of the recent developments at Oracle, and the perhaps timely
 personal disaster we have experienced with our Alfresco workflow being
 reset, I wonder in which direction the community will go.

 Is Jean Hollis Weber willing/able to modify her accepted plone setup to
 not rely so much on OpenOffice.org workflow and getting started
 documentation? Is David Nelson going to re-emerge as the driving force
 behind Alfresco? Is there going to be some consensus reached as to what
 is the real and proper way to document LibreOffice? I wonder in which
 direction the community will go.

 If a leader emerges, I will follow. If one doesn't emerge... we need
 a leader.

I'm still around, but have been taken up by daily life for the past month.

However, I get mail notifications of document additions, edits and
updates on Alfresco (these will be sent to a dedicated public mailing
list as soon as the notification templates are configured to contain
more-useful information than at present).

I now have a lot more time again. Personally, I plan to focus on
configuring and developing the Alfresco platform as my first task,
working from suggestions and discussion from the English docs team and
interested localization people.

Alfresco has many potentials as a working tool, for documentation
work, for localization work, and for other areas of the LibreOffice
project / TDF organization too. I continue to see it as an ideal tool
for LibreOffice documentation, and want to get the Alfresco project
involved in helping us get the most out of it quickly. I probably need
to do more communication about Alfresco to the LibreOffice lists, so
that people get a better understanding of what it can be used for.

But, obviously, no-one is obliged to use Alfresco if they have other
preferred tools and methods.

In any case, I'll post again soon with more Alfresco news and ideas.

As regards LibreOffice English/localized documentation, whatever
platform is used for docs team work, we recently discussed the need to
finalize a document reference system. Notably it needs to be platform
independent (fields contained in document meta data, for instance).
That would be something we should do pretty urgently, IMHO.

David Nelson

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Documentation Team Leader?

2011-04-23 Thread David Nelson
Hi, :-)

I think that I'd prefer just to talk of a role acting as a responsive
central contact rather than a team leader as such. People can be
highly active and available some of the time, but need to pull back a
bit at other times to deal with other things. So I prefer the
leadership to float and simply fall de facto on the most-active
member(s) of the team at a given moment.

IMHO, each contributor should feel liberty of action and freedom to
take a lead role in an initiative, without feeling they have to defer
to an official or unofficial team leader. I like the way people have
been discussing and negotiating together about work, without any one
person feeling they have a weightier opinion than someone else.

On balance, I'd say no to a permanent team leader at this time.

-1

David Nelson

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation]

2011-04-23 Thread David Nelson
Hi Simon, :-)

We don't have any developer documentation as such at this time. It can
be considered to be a mid-term goal to do some, but the LibreOffice
codebase is going through a re-structuring (they're trying to break
away from Java and move towards Python, for instance), so it's maybe
not the best time at the moment.

So the kind of design overview that you're looking for does not
currently exist AFAIK

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] about alfresco platform

2011-04-23 Thread David Nelson
Hi, :-)

On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 06:50, Hal Parker halparke...@gmail.com wrote:
 do you know which will be the mechanism when new volunteers want to
 join the effort? everyone should ask for permissions every time? or
 could register an begin to work inmediately?


 At this time I don't think people can register themselves, but perhaps David
 Nelson can change that. I don't know very much about making Alfresco work.
 Best way may be for someone in the Spanish team to have admin rights so he
 can register other users.

At the moment, there is no self-registration. Accounts need to be
created by an admin.

I guess that, ideally, at least one person from each language team
should be made admin.

Daniel (Rodriguez), I've given you admin rights. If other members of
the Spanish team need admin rights, please do feel free to add them,
or else give me a heads up and I'll do it for you...

David Nelson

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Ping Simon: Rebranding etc

2011-04-23 Thread David Nelson
Hi, :-)

On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 08:57, Simon simonbry...@gmail.com wrote:
 I have uploaded the updated Calc guide chap 1. Only made 1 change. I edited
 it in its place (Reviewed), wasn't sure if I should have checked it into
 Drafts but guessing not.

 Simon

OK, I'll move it into Drafts.

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] How can I colaborate

2011-04-23 Thread David Nelson
Hi Basura, :-)

On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 06:31, basura de charly
basuradecha...@hotmail.com wrote:

 How can I colaborate, some one can explain the first steps.

Do you want to contribute to English documentation or documentation in
another language?

Can you tell us a bit more about what kind of work you'd like to do on
documentation?

I guess the first steps at this time would be to create you a user
account on LibreOffice's Alfresco platform. Then you should create
yourself an account on the LibreOffice wiki at
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org.

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] application for document writer

2011-04-23 Thread David Nelson
Hi Parichay, :-)

When working with Alfresco, you need to distinguish between your own
personal workspace, where you can add anything you want, and the
various project workspaces on the platform (where you can add stuff
that's ready for the team to continue working with).

People will be able to see all stuff in any space, and download it.
When it's publication-ready, it will be copied from the Alfresco
platform to the LibreOffice wiki, where it will be listed there and on
the main LibreOffice website (libreoffice.org).

When you do work, it's best to come and announce your plans/intentions
here on the Documentation mailing list, so that other team members can
advise you and be aware of what's in progress.

Insofar as you use the Alfresco platform for your work, there is not
currently any acceptance process. What will happen is that another
team member will take a look, and probably do the next work task. We'd
only roll back your upload and reject the work if there was some dire
problem with it.

Again, when you finish work, post a message here to let people know -
although there will be a public commits mailing list reporting work on
the Alfresco platform operational in an unfinished form later today.

Parichay, it's great to have everyone possible putting work in on
English docs, but I'd also urge you to go on the l10n list and ask
about localization work. It is likely that there is no-one working on
content for your mother tongue.

Speaking personally, I've always felt that, insofar as possible, it's
best to have mother-tongue writers doing the authoring, otherwise
there is an extra job for us of post-editing to weed out grammar
errors, etc. Although it is true that there tend to be more exceptions
to this principle with English, as it's a widely-spoken international
language. But, in any case, don't let that discourage you from
contributing to English content if it attracts you more than working
with your mother tongue. More info about localization work is here
[1].

[1] http://www.libreoffice.org/get-involved/localizers/

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Documentation Team Leader?

2011-04-25 Thread David Nelson
Hi, :-)

My 2 cents:

@Jean: I think you have many excellent qualifications to *compete* to
be team leader.

@Jean, all: But I don't think a team leader could be properly
appointed at this time. Plus, a team leader should only be appointed
by team vote after a competitive process. And the term and roles of a
team leader would have to be clearly defined beforehand.

A team vote by the Engilsh docs team should only be conducted among
recognized and active English docs contributors who are accepted
LibreOffice community members. The basic principles of the community
bylaws would really suggest that.

The MC has only just started work on intaking community members, and
so the subset of approved community members and active English docs
team contributors is still very fuzzy and evolving.

The English docs project could only benefit from a period of
competitive contribution between contenders for the team leader
position, and there are a number of people that I can think of who
have excellent qualifications (Jean included). In around six months,
the LibreOffice project and, certainly, the English docs project would
then be in a much more mature situation, and a defendable vote could
then be held.

To date, I have noticed that every single active contributor to
EngDocs (I just coined a tag for the team name!) has a tendency to
need to go MIA from time to time to deal with other stuff in daily
life (disappear off in the bush). And there has been quite some
churn among the contributors. So you couldn't really take a proper
vote at this time that could credibly be proposed to and defended
before the SC.

@Jean: if the situation has now changed for you and you feel able to
put contribution to LibO EngDocs before your work for ODFAuthors and
OpenOffice.org, then that's really superb and what I've encouraged you
about for a long time, on- and off-list. I'll be extremely happy to
collaborate with you on your ideas and proposals for the LibreOffice
documentation project, and to contribute helpfully to the work as much
as possible.

@Jean, all:
But, personally, I'd say let's put off the idea of any team leader
until September or October, and work as from now on organizing a
proper framework for things (the EngDocs project generally, and the
possible appointment of a team leader).

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Alfresco access

2011-04-25 Thread David Nelson
Hi, :-)

Done. Mailed you the details.

David Nelson

On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 10:55, Gary Schnabl gschn...@swdetroit.com wrote:
 Somebody set up my Alfresco access so that I can get into it. I do not think
 I applied for access earlier.

 Gary

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Documentation Team Leader?

2011-04-25 Thread David Nelson
Hi, :-)

On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 12:05, Sophie Gautier gautier.sop...@gmail.com wrote:
 Please go on, we all know what leading a doc project is and the necessity to
 have one person effectively and correctly managing and organizing things
 with respect to every body.
 You have already proven for years that you are the good person to do that
 and this project need definitively some love.
 Beside this, you have enough +1 to make sure you are legitimate in this role
 (which is not a title, to make it clears again).

@Sophie: don't you have any regard at all for the community bylaws'
stated principles? It makes one wonder, because you're actually one of
the MC members... And I'm not sure that all SC members would
necessarily disagree with what I explained in my previous post...

David Nelson

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Documentation Team Leader?

2011-04-26 Thread David Nelson
Hi Jeremy, :-)

I have simple stated my 2 cents on things. I don't really see why
people have to get so intense about things, and why a subject and
different opinions can't be discussed without a confrontational
element creeping in, not to mention personal unpleasantness!

Some of you guys really need to learn some Zen. :-)

I am only one human being, and at the time I was working on the
LibreOffice website - an urgent need for the project at that time - I
did not have *much* time for contributing to docs, although I did
respond to every inquiry and question on the docs mailing list. At the
time, some people were pretty grateful for the fact that I practically
dragged libreoffice.org forward to live status, almost single-handedly.
But all that gets forgotten pretty quickly! :-D

As regards the Alfresco server problem, it was extremely unfortunate
about the problem that occurred with the original Alfresco
installation, and you can imagine I felt pretty bad myself. But you
just have to count it as part of the learning curve and move on.

Now Alfresco is being backed up externally to a TDF server every 3
hours, in addition to complete server backups three times a week to an
off-site location.

In addition, I've contacted the Alfresco project to invite them to
help us get the best out of Alfresco within a short time frame. I'll
post about that as soon as I have more news.

BTW, I have responded to the backlog of mailing list stuff having
accumulated over about 4 weeks, and have responded to direct mail,
too. Notably, I have responded to every inquiry and request concerning
Alfresco.

Anyway, I've stated my opinions above in this thread, without
unpleasantness or rudeness to anyone, and I stand by them. I'm pretty
thick-skinned, and am perfectly able to take a lot of flack from
people, as well as give it back in reasonable measure. And I still
believe in LibreOffice and intend to keep working with the English
docs team.

So you can expect to keep reading me on this list. ;-)

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] about alfresco platform

2011-04-26 Thread David Nelson
Hi Tom, :-)

Added a user account for you and mailed you the details.

David Nelson

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Calc Guide Review

2011-04-26 Thread David Nelson
Hi, :-)

Yes, please, Hal, a summary of the recent work would help us see
clearer what needs doing next.

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Writer Guide (full book) now on the wiki

2011-04-26 Thread David Nelson
Hi, :-)

On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 09:41, Hal Parker halparke...@gmail.com wrote:
 As soon as I find time (may not be today), I'll add links to the wiki from
 the website page, http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/documentation/ --
 unless someone (David?) gets to it first.

Done.

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Calc Guide Review

2011-04-26 Thread David Nelson
Hi Hal, :-)

On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 11:40, Hal Parker halparke...@gmail.com wrote:
 I was referring to a summary of what needs to be done during rebranding, not
 what has been done recently or to date, so new people working on chapters
 that have not yet been rebranded know what to do.

 A summary of recent work would be helpful, too, but that's a different
 effort.

 I think we need some sort of task list (on the wiki?) to indicate what's
 been done, what stage each doc has reached, what needs doing, etc. Something
 vaguely like
 http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Dashboard/User_Guidesbut
 organised better.

 We had a variation on something like that on the wiki, but it was removed
 when the work moved to Alfresco.

I'll reply in a separate thread about wiki organization then.

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Documentation Team Leader?

2011-04-26 Thread David Nelson
Hi Ron, all, :-)

On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 11:40, Ron Faile rmfa...@bellsouth.net wrote:
 What is needed is someone tactful who will not
 try to control the group, but guide and help it along. That's what is needed
 most. And that is what I find lacking in David. No offence intended, that's 
 just
 my opinion.

No offense taken. Although I was a little surprised as I'd never seen
myself as trying to control the group. Lacking in tact? Well, my own
perception would have been that, as a general rule, I wasn't but that
we can all lapse there from time to time.

On the other hand, it was precisely the reservation I gradually
developed about Jean (no offense intended by myself either, this is
just an explanation). I originally tried to persuade Jean to become
team leader. She has lots of technical qualifications for the role.
But I have occasionally read, and been the subject of, some quite
irrascible posts by her on subjects that did not really merit such a
response. So I ended-up with the POV that she was somewhat lacking in
some of the interpersonal gifts needed, and having a few qualms about
what her management style would be like.

Like you, Ron, I really detest disagreeable mailing list discussions.
When I was helping out with the work on the community bylaws, it was
specifically me that wrote-in the clause: Every Member is expected to
deal with other Community Members and with our end users with
courtesy, forbearance, objectivity, open-mindedness, friendliness,
understanding, patience and goodwill.

I'd be very happy if we can all carefully bear the above in mind when
posting to the list.

But let's see how things evolve. If the active English docs team
members decide that she should take a leading role, I'll be happy to
collaborate and cooperate in equinamity. However, you'll probably have
read my thoughts about the best timing and conditions for team
leadership in the originating thread.

David Nelson

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Ping David N: Alfresco timeouts

2011-04-26 Thread David Nelson
Hi, :-)

On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 13:36, Hal Parker halparke...@gmail.com wrote:
 Alfresco is timing out too quickly. You had fixed it to have a longer period
 before timeout, but it reverted when the site was rebuilt. Can the timeout
 be made a useful length, at least 10 hours, again? Would be much
 appreciated!

Sure, can do. I have to work on a client job for a few hours, but I'll
deal with it straight after, and also post back about wiki page
organization.

David Nelson

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] User guide team leadership

2011-04-27 Thread David Nelson
Hi Jean, :-)

On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 18:02, Jean Hollis Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com wrote:
 And another thing...
 If anyone think I'm lusting after a leadership role, let me assure you
 I'm not. I'm willing to serve, but I can occupy myself quite nicely in
 other ways, either within or outside of the project. At my age I'm
 definitely in the Is it FUN? category Rogerio mentioned. Obviously I
 find writing user docs fun, or I wouldn't do so much of it for no
 financial reward. Leading a team (aka herding cats) can also be fun.

Well, if you have *really* renounced your plans for world domination,
and if you promise not to carry a whip and wear rubber boots in the
mailing lists, I'm sure everything will be OK. :-P

David Nelson

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[libreoffice-documentation] Alfresco: server restart

2011-04-27 Thread David Nelson
Hi, :-)

I'm about to restart the server. I'll post back when it's up again
(around 30 mins).

David Nelson

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[libreoffice-documentation] Re: Alfresco: server restart

2011-04-27 Thread David Nelson
Hi, :-)

Alfresco is up again.

David Nelson

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Ping David N: Alfresco timeouts

2011-04-27 Thread David Nelson
Hi Hal... um... Jean, :-)

 On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 13:36, Hal Parker halparke...@gmail.com wrote:
 Alfresco is timing out too quickly. You had fixed it to have a longer period
 before timeout, but it reverted when the site was rebuilt. Can the timeout
 be made a useful length, at least 10 hours, again? Would be much
 appreciated!

Sessions are now set to time-out after 24 hours.

David Nelson

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[libreoffice-documentation] Documentation team wiki reorganization

2011-04-27 Thread David Nelson
Hi, :-)

I'm having a look at our wiki pages to update and reorganize them
better. There are some orphaned pages, plus Hal mentioned recovering
the contents of the Development page originally worked on by Ron
(deleted during the last major wiki update).

Normally, I should put some detailed proposals for the team to
approve/disapprove beforehand, but I'm suggesting just reporting back
to you after with details of what I've done. I've got wiki admin
perms, so anything I do can be undone, moved, renamed, deleted, etc.,
if people want modifications.

I've created a page so that we can work on designing a documentation
reference system to be embedded in the meta tags of the ODF documents
we use as our primary storage format (apart from PDF). I'm scanning
past threads and pulling out people's comments and suggestions. You
can see the current page at [1].

Does anyone have any suggestions regarding this or anything else to
take account of before I start?

[1] http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/ReferenceSystem

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[libreoffice-documentation] Unified LibreOffice documentation version reference system for English documentation

2011-04-27 Thread David Nelson
Hi, :-)

We recently talked about a documentation version reference system that
would mean we don't have to encode version information within the file
names of documents. I've started a page on the subject at [1].

I'll post back with some of the suggestions and comments made in the
past. I just wanted to start this thread rolling so that we keep all
the discussion in one findable place.

[1] http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/ReferenceSystem

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Wiki pages missing

2011-04-29 Thread David Nelson
Hi, :-)

No, not guilty to the best of my knowledge. I can only look in a few hours time.

David Nelson




On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 17:58, Jean Hollis Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com wrote:
 This page comes up completely blank,
 http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation

 and several others don't show on the Category:Documentation list.

 I assume this is related to the work David says he's doing to reorganise
 that part of the wiki. If so, I hope they return soon, even if in an
 abbreviated interim form.

 --Jean


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[libreoffice-documentation] David unavailable til May 4

2011-04-29 Thread David Nelson
Hi, :-)

Just to let you guys know that I'll be largely unavailable til May 4.

In the event of a problem with the Alfresco server, Florian
Effenberger is able to restart it.

David Nelson

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Calc Guide Review

2011-04-29 Thread David Nelson
Hi Rogerio, :-)

On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 09:27, Rogerio Luz Coelho luz.roge...@gmail.com wrote:
 I stated this before, we in the Brasilian translation team have this wiki
 page for the status of the work, see if anyone gets it ...

 http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/pt-br

OK, I had a quick look, I'll take a better look during the coming
week, although obviously no-one is barred from working on the wiki
pages themselves if they feel inspiration to do so.

David Nelson

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[libreoffice-documentation] Alfresco: contact from the Alfresco project

2011-05-09 Thread David Nelson
Hi, :-)

I just finished moving into a new house, and I'll have my Internet
connection by Wednesday, so I'll be properly available as from then.

I've had mail from Jeff Potts, the Chief Community Officer of the
Alfresco project, so it looks like we'll get some expert help in
customizing Alfresco for our needs, plus other stuff. I'll post back
about all this later in the week.

David Nelson

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Alfresco doesn´t work?

2011-05-10 Thread David Nelson
Hi Juan, :-)

On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 19:21, Juan C. Sanz juancsa...@hotmail.com wrote:
 Hi, David, Jean :-)
 Yes, I had two accounts and I have removed one of them, the remaining one
 had admin rights, and I continue having problems.
 About prb1 and prb2, they are test accounts created by me to test the work
 flows with different privileges. I try to access to the repository with this
 accounts and I couldn't too.
 Don't worry about your return, I'm not in a hurry :-) .
 Regards
 Juan Carlos

I'll have a stable Internet connection by tomorrow, so I'll be much
more responsive to people's Alfresco-related questions.

David Nelson

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Are there icons and banners to use on the documentation blog?

2011-05-10 Thread David Nelson
Hi, :-)

On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 05:56, Jean Hollis Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Mon, 2011-05-09 at 22:01 -0400, John Shabanowitz wrote:
 I was going through the settings on Wordpress.com and saw the settings to
 upload graphics to use as IPad app icons. Wordpress will use those icons for
 IPad users to display the blog webpage. Wordpress will allow an iPad user to
 have a link to the site on their desktop like an app. LibreOffice does not
 work on iOS yet, but it does work on OSX. I can resize any graphics that
 have been approved, to fit the requirements of wordpress. Are there graphics
 we can use?

Apart from the Marketing/Branding page you mentioned, it would be a
good idea to post to the Design team's list, where - as Jean said -
Bernard and co can suggest and validate graphics, colors and other
aspects. HTH.

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Request for Alfresco Account.

2011-05-16 Thread David Nelson
Hi, :-)

I`ll finally have an operationap Internet access by tomorrow
sometime... if no-one has dealt with it by then, I`ll set it up and
mail you the details.

David Nelson




On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 18:53, Carl Symons carlsym...@gmail.com wrote:
 JohnSha effectively recruited me via the LibO marketing mailing list...
 I request access to Documentation Alfresco as well.

 Thank you
 Carl Symons

 On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 3:54 AM, John Shabanowitz john...@gmail.com wrote:
 Please and Thank you.
 *John Shabanowitz
 http://libodocs.wordpress.com
 We're recruiting, come join us.*

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Assistance with libreoffice.org/get-help/installation?

2011-05-18 Thread David Nelson
Hi Craig, :-)

On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 00:32, C. Olofson c.olof...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 05/14/2011 02:19 PM, Jean Hollis Weber wrote:

 On Sat, 2011-05-14 at 08:54 -0700, C. Olofson wrote:

 Hello;

 I am volunteering via the US marketing group and a question came up
 recently regarding http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/installation.
 Does the documentation group intend to add other distributions to this
 list (e.g. *BSD)?

 If the group does, I volunteer to help.  Is there an individual or
 sub-group I can speak with about this, off-list?

 I think (may be wrong) that those pages come under the website team, not
 the documentation team, although we at Docs have contributed to it and
 suggested improvements to the install instructions. The last I heard
 (some months ago), David Nelsoncomme...@traduction.biz  seemed to be
 the person most involved in those pages. If he's not the contact for
 them now, he should know who is.

 --Jean

 Thank you Jean.  Missive sent!

 Best,
 -Craig

I replied to your off-list mail. As I said, I wrote the original
draft, but it became rather a complex set of instructions when we
tried to add other distribs. It really needs a thorough updating and
revamp. If you'd like to take part in working on it, I can add you to
the publishers group on the LibreOffice.org website...

David Nelson

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Draft chapter Joining the LibO Docs Team available for comment

2011-05-18 Thread David Nelson
Hi Jean, :-)

I'm properly back in the game after a major house move. I'm
bookmarking this message to take a look in the near future. Thanks for
your work on this.

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[libreoffice-documentation] Alfresco administration

2011-05-18 Thread David Nelson
Hi, :-)

I'm properly back in the game after an international move, and now
have proper Internet access again after multiple glitches and
hold-ups. I'll be going through the large backlog of threads, and am
dealing with various off-list inquiries.

I'm currently pretty taken up with client work, so my contrib to the
docs team for the next few weeks is going to be limited to being key
goalkeeper for our Alfresco platform. Feel free to hit me with all
your questions and queries.

I have been in touch with the Alfresco project and have had mail back
from Jeff Potts, Alfresco's Chief Community Officer, so I'll be
following-up on this and hope to quickly get our Alfresco platform
better configured and personalized for the LibreOffice project's
needs. I'll be posting back about this in due course.

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] More on documentation blog

2011-05-18 Thread David Nelson
Hi Jean, guys, :-)

On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 02:53, Jean Hollis Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com wrote:
 We seem to be on a roll, here. That's good to see!

 More thoughts, after discussions with people on the Website list as well
 as here:

 * Host the blog on wordpress.com (which is where The Document
 Foundation's blog is located).

 * Use the same theme as TDF's blog uses. This reinforces the brand as
 well as being easy to set up (no need for any graphics or much if any
 customisation). The theme can be changed at any time if we want to.

 * Use the URL libo-docs.wordpress.com and the title LibreOffice
 Documentation Team blog. Title can be changed at any time.

 * Set up 2 or 3 people as admins, so there's no drama if 1 or 2 of us
 are unavailable. Admins can make any necessary changes, but in
 particular they can set up other people to have Author or Editor access.

 * As well as announcements, include tips, either short articles or
 pointers to longer articles or articles on other blogs.

 Should I go ahead and set up a blog, or does someone else (who is also
 familiar with Wordpress) want to do that? Who, besides me, should be
 admins? David? Jeremy? others?

 --Jean

I'd be interested in posting on the blog about the Alfresco platform.
Could you maybe give me an appropriately empowered account please?

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] More on documentation blog

2011-05-18 Thread David Nelson
Thanks, Jean.

David Nelson


On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 05:53, Jean Hollis Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Thu, 2011-05-19 at 05:07 +0300, David Nelson wrote:

 I'd be interested in posting on the blog about the Alfresco platform.
 Could you maybe give me an appropriately empowered account please?


 Done. I've given you Editor access, so you can amend others' posts as
 well as post your own.

 --Jean



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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] getting involved

2011-05-20 Thread David Nelson
Hi Paul, :-)

Welcome to the team and thanks for getting involved.

I created a user account for you on the LibreOffice project's Alfresco
platform and mailed you the details.

Jean Weber can certainly give you good guidance about where you could
jump in work-wise.

If you have any questions or problems concerning Alfresco, please do
feel free to ask people here on the list and/or mail me off-list.

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] getting involved

2011-05-20 Thread David Nelson
Hi Chad, :-)

Welcome to the team.

I set you up an Alfresco user account (http://alfresco.libreoffice.org
and http://documentation.libreoffice.org) and I am mailing you the
details.

David Nelson

On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 21:19, Chad Lines fube...@gmail.com wrote:
 Good Morning Everyone!

 I also am quite new, and really excited to get started!

 I have a little bit of a background in Technical Writing and also a
 little bit of experience in editing and proofing, but I am willing to help
 in whatever way is needed.

 Like Paul, I am a MSO refugee, but I've really fallen in love with Libre
 Office since making the switch.

 Thanks,
 Chad

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Alfresco administration

2011-05-21 Thread David Nelson
Hi Jeremy, :-)

On Sat, May 21, 2011 at 18:52, Jeremy Cartwright vardomes...@gmail.com wrote:
 David,

 I've been toying with a report. It will show a weekly update of our
 books, list contributors by volume of commits, and remind documenters
 of 'hot-projects'.

 In my mind it involves daily log-ons to Alfresco, copy
 and pasting of another report into a Calc sheet, and weekly tallies of
 the product of those labors for a finished weekly report.

 I'm wondering if this sort of thing is a flip-of-the-wrist for Jeff
 Potts in a native Alfresco report?

I've read some of his book for Alfresco developers and I think he
would be able to automate the task optimally. I have to write back to
him this weekend, after a protracted and major house move, and I'll
copy you and Samphan in on that until we get to the stage where we
take it to the list. Let's see where this goes, and then figure out
what to do next? Does that sound OK to you?

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Assistance with libreoffice.org/get-help/installation?

2011-05-21 Thread David Nelson
Hi Rogerio, :-)

On Sat, May 21, 2011 at 20:42, Rogerio Luz Coelho luz.roge...@gmail.com wrote:
 There still is my Installation instructions for Linux in Alfresco ... ?

 It was finished, but no one ever gave me feedback ...

Yes, it can be found under Company Home  (en) English [English]
Content  Documentation  Install Guides  Drafts

I guess there was no feedback because it didn't get to a definitively
finished state (proofreading, augmentation, etc.), and the context
evolved (more distribs to take account of, etc.)... So it's still
somewhat of a work in progress...

Indeed, I ran into a couple of alternative sets of instructions around
the Web that were geared towards a particular Linux distrib, that made
the original instructions I wrote on the wiki look extremely complex
and cumbersome... So we'd probably need to have a major re-think about
the approach...

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Assistance with libreoffice.org/get-help/installation?

2011-05-21 Thread David Nelson
Hi, :-)

On Sat, May 21, 2011 at 21:07, Rogerio Luz Coelho luz.roge...@gmail.com wrote:
 Ok, now that was a nice feedback, I am correct in thinking that we will
 abandon this project and start a new one?

Well, maybe not abandon, but how about re-write and simplify? Maybe
a separate instruction set for each major Linux/Unix distrib? Anybody
got any bright ideas?

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Contribute to libre office

2011-05-31 Thread David Nelson
Hi Song Chuan, :-)

On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 16:22, ~*Low Song Chuan*~ song8...@yahoo.com.sg wrote:
 Hi

 My friend, Sufyan and I, Song Chuan are from Singapore, Nanyang Technological 
 University.We are doing a project on open-source for 3 weeks. We are new 
 users to Libreoffice but we really would like to contribute on documentation 
 of Libreoffice. Can you suggest an area in which we can contribute.

 I have send multiple email but no avail. :( Please reply asap once you see 
 this email. Thanks.

 Best Regards
 Song Chuan

Probably the best thing would be to contact the localization mailing
list (http://www.libreoffice.org/get-involved/localizers/) and maybe
get involved in localizing LibreOffice and LibreOffice documentation
for your mother tongue.

However, another path would be to get involved in the English
documentation work.

It mainly depends on where you feel like jumping in.

If you want to get involved in English documentation work, please do
post back here and we will set you up to get started.

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] checking in a rebranded Impress Guide?

2011-06-01 Thread David Nelson
Hi Tempe, :-)

On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 12:29, Tempe Macgowan tem...@bigpond.com wrote:
 Hi
 I'm having problems uploading a rebranded guide which Jean said
 you did as part of the check in process? I just can't see where/how to import 
 the document?
 cheers
 Tempe

I'm a bit stuck for time to give you detailed instructions here, but
don't feel shy to send me the doc if you're really stuck and I will
check it in for you.

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Want to contribute to documentation..

2011-06-01 Thread David Nelson
Hi Jaimon, :-)

I have created a user account on our Alfresco platform and am mailing
you the password, login name and URLs now.

David Nelson

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] English Documentation Work

2011-06-01 Thread David Nelson
Hi Sulfan, :-)

On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 05:13, Muhammad Sufyan Zainalabidin
sufyan@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi there,

 I am doing a school project on open-source for 3 weeks. I am new users to
 Libreoffice but i really would like to contribute on English documentation
 work. Therefore I would like to request an Alfresco account. Looking forward
 to your reply. Thanks

 Best Regards
 Sufyan

I have created you an account on our Alfresco platform and have mailed
you the credentials.

Please write back to us here on the list and tell us more about what
you'd like to get involved in, and we will see about giving you some
guidance. :-)

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Contribute to libre office

2011-06-01 Thread David Nelson
Hi Song Chuan and Sufyan :-)

On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 15:50, ~*Low Song Chuan*~ song8...@yahoo.com.sg wrote:
 Hi David
 I would like to contribute to English Documentation work. Do I need the
 Alfreco account? What are the things I can contribute?
 Regards
 Song Chuan

I have sent you guys credentials for our Alfresco platform at
http://alfresco.libreoffice.org / http:documentation.libreoffice.org

Alfresco is the platform that the LibreOffice English Docs team is
currently using for managing our work, before we post end-user-content
on the LibreOffice wiki.

If you browse to Company Home  (en) English [English] Content 
Resources, you will see some material that will help you get started
working as part of the team.

Please also browse to Company Home  (en) English [English] Content 
Documentation. You will see the material we are presently working on.
Can you take a look around and see what you feel inspired to work on?

Feel free to mail me directly with any problems anytime, but I
recommend you to write to the documentation team mailing list as a
general rule, because you can get good advice and guidance from the
other docs team members as well as myself. :-)

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Away for two weeks

2011-06-01 Thread David Nelson
Hi Tom, :-)

On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 23:54, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
 Hi :)
 Thanks :)  I had considered signing off as Tom the pedant.  I was hoping
 someone might give links to the photos of the avian carrier experiment.

 Good luck and regards from
 Tom :)

I am always happy to see how your Brit sense of humor and thick skin
carries you through some of the bastings you occasionally get in the
various lists. Personally, I enjoy your friendly posts and hope to be
reading you for long to come. It's nice to read your relaxed and
chatty posts. ;-)

Myself, I've always found carrier pigeons to be much more good-natured
and friendly than some of the stuff that arrives by e-mail from the
lists. I am intrigued by the avian carrier experiment.

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] English Documentation Work

2011-06-01 Thread David Nelson
Hi Sufyan, :-)

On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 19:38, Muhammad Sufyan Zainalabidin
sufyan@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi David,

 Thanks for the account. When you say the list, does it mean replying back to
 you?

 I would like to focus on Libre Writer documentation. Any clue where to
 start? (=

 Sufyan

When I say the list, I mean the LibreOffice documentation mailing list
to which you guys originally posted your request.

It's the best place to ask about where to jump in, because you'll get
feedback from other team members there, too. If you read the day's
mailing list posts, you'll see I replied to you and Song Chuan
already.

If no-one else in the team has better ideas to put forward then I will
sort you out a task that you could take on though... Let's see who
answers over the next few hours...

David Nelson

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Want to contribute to documentation..

2011-06-02 Thread David Nelson
Hi Jaimon, :-)

On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 12:47, Jaimon Jacob jaimon_jacob2...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Thanks for the account again. How can I get started?

You could start by going to alfresco.libreoffice.org and navigating to
Company Home  (en) English [English] Content  Resources

Then you could download a copy of intro-libo-docs-team (Working
Copy).odt and producing-LibreOffice-userguides.odt and have a read.

Then maybe one of the other docs team members may suggest a guide on
which you could start working or, failing any response over the next
few hours, I can check the current status of the various guides and
suggest a start point for you.

Also, if there's a particular LibreOffice application you are
interested in then do tell and we can see about getting you started on
that...

HTH.

David Nelson

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] English Documentation Work

2011-06-02 Thread David Nelson
Hi Song Chuan, :-)

On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 19:08, ~*Low Song Chuan*~ song8...@yahoo.com.sg wrote:
 Hi David,

 I hope you can assign one for me.

OK, I'll check the status of all the guides tomorrow morning my time
(in 15 hours) and then I'll advise you exactly what you and Sufyan
could work on.

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Want to contribute to documentation..

2011-06-02 Thread David Nelson
Hi, :-)

On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 23:58, Rogerio Luz Coelho luz.roge...@gmail.com wrote:
 IMPRESS !!!

 We need work done on Impress ...

 We REALLY need a table to look what is done by whom ...

OK, I will set up a table on the wiki this weekend, and then get you
guys to take a look at it, comment, edit it, etc.

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Want to contribute to documentation..

2011-06-03 Thread David Nelson
Hi, :-)

On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 00:34, Jean Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com wrote:
 I set up a table weeks ago but no one has put any info in it. It's on one of 
 the docs devel pages. And now I rally am going into the wilds. See you in a 
 few days. Jean

OK, I got about 2 hours of work to do and then I'll be giving the rest
of the day to docs team matters (sorting out work to suggest to
Jaimon, Song Chuan and Sufyan; Alfresco; assessing progress with
guides; etc.).

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[libreoffice-documentation] Impress Guide (Chapter 1)

2011-06-03 Thread David Nelson
Hi,

On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 21:50, Chad Lines fube...@gmail.com wrote:
 Good Morning Everyone,

 I have completed, and uploaded the review of the
 0501IG3-IntroducingImpress.odt (Ch1 of Impress Manual). I put it back into
 Drafts as it needs a few fixes.

 Specifically, changes to the text, and Screen-Shot updates. I've left pretty
 detailed comments on what I think would help to make the guide clearer and
 what screen-shots don't match, etc. but a second/third/etc. pair of eyes is
 always best.

 Take care,
 Chad

OK, I've had a look at this chapter and, apart from Chad's comments
added to the document, it needs one screenshot updating (still
contains OOo screenshot).

I'm thinking of Jaimon, Song Chuan and Sufyan, and thinking this is a
task we could offer to them.

Anyone got any comments about what else could be done with it?

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Impress Guide (Chapter 1)

2011-06-03 Thread David Nelson
Hi guys,

I will prepare more work in a few hours. Thanks for having negotiated
how to divide it between you. That's great teamwork in action.

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[libreoffice-documentation] Impress Guide (chapter 2)

2011-06-04 Thread David Nelson
I'm just looking at chapter 2 of the Impress guide on Alfresco and I
see that Simon Brydon has it checked out since May 19 apparently...
Simon, have you got a new version to check in?
I'll wait a few hours for an answer but, if no news, I'll check it
back in and we'll start work on that chapter next.

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Impress Guide (Chapter 1)

2011-06-04 Thread David Nelson
Hi,

On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 02:59, planas jsloz...@gmail.com wrote:
 Shutter takes screenshots and is available for Ubuntu/Mint/Pinguy, I am
 not sure which Ubuntu derivatives use it.

Thanks for the heads-up, Jay. I've installed it on my Ubuntu 11.04 and
my suggestion would be that we use it as our common tool. It's
available on Ubuntu but, most certainly, for Fedora as well.

I had adopted a set of sizes for screenshots in the past, but I'm not
sure what people have been choosing recently. What common conventions
shall we adopt for screenshots?

I've just had a look at the Development page that Jean has worked on,
on the wiki, and there's no info about screenshot conventions at the
moment. I suggest that we agree on them here in this thread, and then
I'll update the wiki with the info so that we have rules for the
future...

So, guys, what are your ideas?


[1] http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Development

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[libreoffice-documentation] Impress Guide (Chapter 3)

2011-06-04 Thread David Nelson
Hi,

So I've just had a look at chapter 3 of the Impress guide, and the
screenshots *look like* they were taken under Windows... My suggestion
would be that we re-take them (see the Chapter 1 thread for the
discussion on screenshot conventions)...

Anyone got any other ideas?

Jaimon, Song Chuan, Sufyan, do you feel ready for this?

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Impress Guide (Chapter 3)

2011-06-04 Thread David Nelson
Hi,

On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 12:59, ~*Low Song Chuan*~ song8...@yahoo.com.sg wrote:
 We are working on the Impress Chapter 1 user guide. We need to replace the 
 old screenshot. Do we delete away the old and insert new screenshot? I just 
 want to double check.

 How do we upload to the Draft to Alfresco? Do we need specific privilege user 
 account to do that?

You guys (yourself, Sufyan and Jaimon) have the permissions needed to
check out and check in documents. On http://alfresco.libreoffice.org,
go to Company Home  (en) English [English] Content  Documentation 
Impress Guide  Drafts

Click on the down arrow beside the document you want to work on, and
choose Check out. You will then be guided to retrieve the doc to
your desktop while, on Alfresco, that document will be marked as
checked out by you.

You then do your work and, when finished, check it back in again.

Then the idea would be to write back to the list here, under the
thread started for the chapter in question, and report back telling
the team what you've done.

On the copy of the document you work on, you can delete and replace
the previous screenshots without problem. Alfresco incorporates a
version control system, so no-one's work is irretrievable if there's a
problem with a new version of a doc...

Anyone who would like to be able to ask me questions in real time can
get me on Skype as traduction.biz

HTH. ;-)

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Impress Guide (Chapter 1)

2011-06-04 Thread David Nelson
Hi,

On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 12:03, ~*Low Song Chuan*~ song8...@yahoo.com.sg wrote:
 The standard screenshot size and convention can be found at Alfresco under 
 Company Home English ContentResourcesLibO-style-guide.odt (page 5). It is 
 written by Jean.

 The guide suggested that PNG be used and width of screenshot to be under 15cm 
 (5.9 inches).

OK, cool. So let's go with that then. Under Ubuntu, I'd suggest using
the default theme for Gnome/Ubuntu, but it's not a critical issue if
people are using Fedora, etc., and their shots look slightly
different.

I guess the only other things to take into account would be as in the
Style Guide: prefer LibreOffice internal dialog boxes, prefer the
Galaxy icon theme, and so on...

Anyone got any other comments/suggestions?

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] PING David Nelson: Alfresco workflows

2011-06-05 Thread David Nelson
Hi Jean,

On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 02:38, Jean Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com wrote:
 While I'm on the subject of Alfresco, we really need to have the workflows 
 reestablished, so the necessary links are available to move (promote or 
 demote) files from one space to another. Jeremy wrote a very good description 
 in his bootcamp document, but unfortunately the actual process doesn't work 
 anymore. So the Using Alfresco doc that I wrote (based on Jeremy's doc) 
 describes the current situation, not the one I think we really want. Or there 
 may be a better way that I'm unaware of.

 This is another thing that I've not had time to work out how to set up, so 
 I've been leaving it to you or another Alfresco enthusiast to do.

 Jean

As mentioned in a past thread, I have been in contact with the
Alfresco project - notably the Chief Community Officer, Jeff Potts,
and received an answer from him shortly after my re-location. I have
now sent him a detailed reply - belatedly, because of an immense
personal and professional to-do list after the move - in which I CC'ed
Jeremy and Samphan (active contributors to the development of the
LibreOffice Alfresco) and certain members of the LibO dev team and SC.

The idea is to get help with the development of workflows for the docs
team, and - hopefully - bring back life to the currently-dormant OOo
Alfresco plugin [1], which could be very valuable as a collaboration
tool if we can get it to an operational state with recent versions of
LibreOffice.

So I'll be reporting back to the team on this as soon as I have news
to tell, and hope to bring the conversation to the list as soon as
possible.

[1] http://forge.alfresco.com/projects/ooo-plugin/

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Want to contribute to documentation..

2011-06-05 Thread David Nelson
Hi Jaimon,

If you still had some free time and still wanted me to suggest a task,
I could recommend updating the screenshots in the Getting Started
guide. Jean just explained the following problems: The Getting
Started guide desperately needs to have a great many pix replaced.
Many are from Windows (done by Ron [Faile] before the decision to not
use [screenshots from] Windows), and many more still say OOo on them.

So, basically, this job would involve going through each chapter of
the Getting Started guide and replacing the screenshots in accordance
with the LibO Style Guide at http://alfresco.libreoffice.org, under
Company Home  (en) English [English] Content  Resources

This would be a much-appreciated contribution if your schedule so allows...

If it would be useful to you to be able to ask me questions in real
time, you can catch me on Skype as traduction.biz ...

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] English Documentation Work

2011-06-05 Thread David Nelson
Hi Song Chuan and Sufyan,

If you would still like me to suggest possible tasks for you, I would
deviate you from the work on the Impress guide and point you at the
Writer guide, where there is a similar problem with screenshots taken
under Windows. Jean Weber just recently made this comment: The
Getting Started guide desperately needs to have a great many pix
replaced. Many are from Windows (done by Ron [Faile] before the
decision to not use [screenshots from] Windows), and many more still
say OOo on them. Some similar problems remain in the Writer Guide. If
anyone particularly wants to do screenshots, those books would greatly
benefit.

I have suggested to Jaimon the work on the Getting Started guide, so -
if you feel able - perhaps you would like to take on the same task for
the Writer guide?

Basically, this job would involve going through each chapter of the
Writer guide and replacing the screenshots in accordance with the LibO
Style Guide at http://alfresco.libreoffice.org, under Company Home 
(en) English [English] Content  Resources, but using screenshots
taken under Ubuntu/Fedora Linux.

If you guys still have time to contribute work, the above would be
most gratefully appreciated...

@Song Chuan: sorry I missed you on Skype on Saturday (I was
temporarily away from my keyboard), but I have added you and will be
happy to answer any questions...

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] English Documentation Work

2011-06-05 Thread David Nelson
Hi Jaimon,

On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 19:47, Jaimon Jacob jaimon_jacob2...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Hi David,
 You wont believe this, but I am struggling with installing Ubuntu for 2 days. 
 My backlight wont turn on after I install Ubuntu. I reinstalled Windows 
 again. Sorry for not responding all this time. :-(
 Regards,Jaimon Jacob

So sorry you're having problems with your Ubuntu... at the present
time, i'm finding that 10.10 is still more stable than 11.04... if
you're trying to install 11.04 then i would recommend the
older-but-seemingly-more-stable 10.10...

If you're having trouble with your sound driver, Song Chuan, the same
solution may help you...

HTH.

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Impress Guide (Chapter 3)

2011-06-05 Thread David Nelson
Hi Song Chuan, guys,

On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 19:10, ~*Low Song Chuan*~ song8...@yahoo.com.sg wrote:
 I see. I have made a copy of the same draft of Impress Chapter 3 earlier on 
 at Alfresco Documentation. It is located at the bottom 
 named 0503IG3-AddFormatText (Working Copy).odt created by mistake. Please 
 remove it to prevent confusion. I'm sorry about that.

 Best Regards
 Song Chuan

I have successfully checked your file in.

The operation is as follows: you click on the down arrow beside the
file you want to check out (xxx.odt). Alfresco offers you the
opportunity to create the working copy either in the same space as the
original or somewhere else. One chooses in the same space as the
place. You get to download the file to work on it locally on your own
computer. You download and do the work. Then you want to check the
file in.

To do this, you click on the Check in icon on the far left below the
file called xx.odt (working copy). You get the chance to choose
between using xx.odt (working copy) on the Alfresco platform as
the new version, or uploading a revised copy from your local computer.
You choose to upload a copy from your computer and upload it. You then
click the Check in button. You will see that the working copy will
have disappeared and there will only be one copy of the file there
now.

Sorry for the inconvenience. The workflow is a work in progress right
now. We will get it sorted out quickly, hopefully in collaboration
with the Alfresco project, and then we will ensure that our team
documentation is updated to provide clear explanations...

Meanwhile, HTH.

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Impress Guide (Chapter 3)

2011-06-06 Thread David Nelson
Hi Jaimon,

On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 20:16, Jaimon Jacob jaimon_jacob2...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Hi David,

 Thanks a lot. I installed Ubuntu 10.10 instead of 11.04 as a dual boot, and 
 it is working perfect :-).  So, can I continue with my previous assignment?

 Regards,
 Jaimon

I'm really happy that was a good solution for you. It would be great
if you can continue then, and could you please keep us posted on the
list about your progress so that Song Chuan and Sufyan can fit in with
you?

A big thanks for your work, and please don't hesitate to ask me
something if I can be of help in any way.

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Impress Guide (Chapter 3)

2011-06-07 Thread David Nelson
Hi Jaimon,

Could you maybe do the same task on the Getting Started guide?

The files to process would be under Company Home  (en) English
[English] Content  Documentation  Getting Started Guide  Published

Would this be OK for you?

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Writer Guide (chapter 1)

2011-06-08 Thread David Nelson
Hi Sufyan,

On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 11:17, Muhammad Sufyan Zainalabidin
sufyan@gmail.com wrote:
 The screenshots for Writer chapter 1 have been updated. I've changed some
 part of the text on the last page of the guide. Can I still edit the guide
 even if the document has been categorised under published? Please correct me
 =P

 Sufyan

Yes, please do. We will deal with moving stuff around in a few days
when we have accumulated more work done and see better about a new
workflow (contact in progress with the Alfresco project). The only
thing would be to keep working in the same space (folder).

Thank you very much for the work done.

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Fw: [libreoffice-marketing] do you know where is the documentation is . . . for marketing it to schools

2011-06-08 Thread David Nelson
Hi,

On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 12:08, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
 Hi Jaimon :)
 I have to disagree with Jean here.  In Ubuntu it is almost always better to
 stick with stuff from the repos or ppas.  Since Ubuntu uses the gnome DE i 
 think
 that you might just need to add a couple of packages.

It is true that, as a general rule, most people would say the
advantage of using the Ubuntu repo is that your system will be
maintained up to date automatically as and when Ubuntu releases new
updates...

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Impress Guide (Chapter 3)

2011-06-08 Thread David Nelson
Hi Jaimon,

On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 16:14, Jaimon Jacob jaimon_jacob2...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Hi David,

 Obviously, the images in the documents are taken in windows. Do you want me 
 to update them with images from Ubuntu? Just confirming :-)


 Regards,
 Jaimon Jacob

Yes, that's right, the idea is that we preferably should use
screenshots from Ubuntu (or maybe another Linux distrib, or maybe Mac)
but not Windows screenshots, because TDF is worried about possible
copyright problems if screenshots are take in Windows.

HTH. ;-)

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Fw: [libreoffice-marketing] do you know where is the documentation is . . . for marketing it to schools

2011-06-08 Thread David Nelson
Hi,

On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 00:58, Jean Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com wrote:
 Also, we are often working on documentation for a version of LibO that is 
 still in development, using the developers' builds or betas, or that has 
 recently been released and is not yet in the repos.

At the moment, I guess we would be happy if we manage to produce all
necessary documentation for the current version... ;-)

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] New Project

2011-06-09 Thread David Nelson
Hi,

@Renata: thanks for the info.

@Klaibson: OK, I downloaded the book. It *somewhat* resembles the
installation guide and Getting Started guide rolled into one, so maybe
it would be a duplication of effort to translate it into English. But
it's a very useful tool for Brazilian users.

Great job, and thanks for doing that for the Brazilian / Portuguese
community. :-)

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Impress Guide (Chapter 3)

2011-06-12 Thread David Nelson
Hi,

I'm looking now... brb.

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Impress Guide (Chapter 3)

2011-06-12 Thread David Nelson
Hi Jaimon,

I just looked, and there is a working copy, called
0101GD3-IntroducingLibreOffice (Working Copy).odt in Company Home 
(en) English [English] Content  Documentation  Getting Started Guide
 Published

The check-in icon is on the far left side underneath that file.

If necessary you can catch me on Skype (traduction.biz), and I'll be
watching the mailing list.

HTH.

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Collecting small things in the Wiki

2011-06-13 Thread David Nelson
Hi David,

On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 16:52, David Paenson davepo...@googlemail.com wrote:
 Hi Jean,

 OK, will get my hands on it. Perhaps with your help? I would do the raw
 translation etc., but if you could have a look at it, that would be
 wonderful. I guess it will take me a few months.

Would you happen to have the document available in .odt form? I would
attempt an automatic translation, to see if the result is in any way
usable, and we could maybe then re-write it into real English...

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Help needed?

2011-06-13 Thread David Nelson
Hi Rik,

On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 23:00, Rik rdbus...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi documentation people,

 A friendly person called Tom Davies gently nudged me towards this newsgroup,
 saying that you needed some more people to help you out. Since the Document
 Foundation is so friendly to let me use all this fancy software for free, I
 thought it would be rude not to give it a try.

 My name is Rik De Busser and I'm a linguist at the Academia Sinica, a
 research institute in Taiwan. Unlike many of you, I am a relatively recent
 convert to LibreOffice: I only started using it three months ago to write a
 book. I have experience writing (boring academic work) and can do some
 simple graphical work. For my job I have to try to find out how to make
 LibreOffice do all kinds of fancy stuff anyway, so Tom pointed out that I
 might as well write some of it down.

 I'm not really sure if that makes me a useful person to you, and I am also
 not certain yet how much time I will be able to spend, but I'm willing to
 give it a try. No idea what exactly I'd have to do...

Well, thanks for the offer. There are plenty of areas you could get
involved in. Maybe you'd like to have a look at our documentation
contributors page [1] and see what you feel you might be able to take
on?

[1] http://www.libreoffice.org/get-involved/documenters/

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Getting Started Guide_Image Update

2011-06-14 Thread David Nelson
Hi Jaimon,

On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 14:49, Jaimon Jacob jaimon_jacob2...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Hi David,

 The documents 0115GS3-KeyboardShortcuts.odt and 
 0116GS3-OpenSourceStandardsDoc.odt do not have any images in them and I 
 have updated the images for 0101GD3-IntroducingLibreOffice.odt and checked 
 in the document. Will continue with the next.

Cool, thanks for that. :-)

 Finished updating the images for Getting Started Guide and checked in the 
 file

I wasn't quite sure what you meant here... I see you as still having
0102GS3-SettingUpLibreOffice.odt checked out and assumed you're
working on that now...

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Collecting small things in the Wiki

2011-06-14 Thread David Nelson
Hi David,

On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 00:20, David Paenson davepo...@googlemail.com wrote:
 Hope something useful comes out of the automatic translation, though I'm
 very sceptical about that.

Well, I just fed it through Google Translate. If one is used to
dealing with mangled English, it would potentially be possible to use
the result and rewrite it into correct English - although very
time-consuming. But it would be just as quick for an experienced
translator of German to do a faithful, high-quality translation - or
it might possibly be quicker if one takes into account the formatting
work also involved.

Google Translate is not yet at the point of putting efficient
translators out of a job...

Moreover, it's going off-line as a free service later this year...

I must admit that I wouldn't have time for this job myself in the
coming months, as I'd see myself working on developing
alfresco.libreoffice.org and contributing to the large quantity of
work already waiting to be done on existing English-language
LibreOffice documentation.

Is there anyone else able to take on the job of translating David's
student guide?

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] My plans

2011-06-14 Thread David Nelson
Hi Jean,

On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 18:42, Jean Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com wrote:
 I am no longer interested in doing the organizing, coordinating, and
 other admin work that the documentation team needs to be done, and
 after all these years I am tired of trying to either do the user guide
 updates or get people to do them.

Well, your expertise would certainly be missed, although I can
understand how you feel. It's funny but, during your absence, I had
been thinking about posting to you on the list and suggesting that we
might team up, you and I together, and divvy up the work on the
existing documentation. I had thought that if we worked in
coordination together, largely under your guidance, we could get a lot
done with 1 to 2 hours of work per day each (5 days per week, for
instance) over the next couple of months.

But it's also true that, since I've taken on the commitment of
operating an Alfresco platform for LibreOffice, I can take on a lot of
the mundane drudgery you're talking about - in fact it would even form
a natural part of the job.

 So when I get back from this trip in a few days I plan to start
 working seriously on what interests me most, which is writing new
 material on more advanced topics. Some of this will find its way into
 the docs blog but most will be longer items that will eventually be
 part of another book or two. My books will be under creative commons
 license so they can be made part of the official docs if others want
 them.

Well, I'm sure you would/will produce some very valuable material.
It's true that knowledge and experience such as yours may well be
ideally utilised working on advanced topics that require the kind of
knowledge of the product that many other docs team contributors -
whether occasional or one-time - simply don't have.

 I do hope some people will finish reviewing the Impress Guide. The
 Draw Guide Is being done. The Math Guide still needs rebranding but I
 think is otherwise ok.

Well, there are people who have been/are now working on the Impress
guide and Getting Started guide.

Myself, I'm still in discussion with the Alfresco project. There are
some interesting ideas in the air, but it's not yet clear whether they
will have time to undertake a major configuration/customisation job on
alfresco.libreoffice.org/documentation.libreoffice.org, or whether
they might simply act in an advisory role. In the second case, I'd be
looking at doing the work myself - maybe with help from Jeremy and
Samphan, depending on their availabilities.

So, all that being said, are your plans still the same?

In any case, I hope you are having/have had a good break. :-)

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Help needed?

2011-06-15 Thread David Nelson
Hi,

On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 23:16, Jim Campbell jwcampb...@gmail.com wrote:
 I agree with this. I went to the docs team page, and found a link to the
 mailing list, and then these two links:

 http://alfresco.libreoffice.org

 http://documentation.libreoffice.org

 If you go to those two pages, and you don't have an account, it's not clear
 what you need to do. Those links are very spare landing pages, and they
 don't show you how to access the current documentation, or how to start
 contributing.

 As a note, I contribute to both Gnome and Ubuntu docs, so my free time is
 limited, but I do want to be aware of what's going on in LibreOffice docs. I
 think a member of your group is also on the Ubuntu docs list. :)

Well, Tom Davies is signed up there, and I'm also signed up to the
Ubuntu docs list, although I don't read it much right now (too much
else pouring into my mailbox). I'm an Ubuntu user myself, with 11.04
running classic Gnome rather than Unity.

On the English docs team wiki index page, it recommends people to post
to the mailing list to make contact with the team. I, or one of the
other Alfresco admins, then expeditiously create an Alfresco account
for the new contributor and support them in getting down to work.

The Alfresco platform is currently requiring some configuration work
to really get the best out of it, although it's a fully-operational
and usable facility just as it stands at this time. We have a
conversation on-going with the Alfresco project about this. In any
case, work will be started within the coming 2 weeks. Then a guide
will be updated to provide better information.

Until that time, I try to be as responsive as possible as regards
people's questions here on the list, whether about Alfresco or
whatever other docs related subject, as do some other regular docs
contributors, so please feel free to ask whatever you'd like to know.

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[libreoffice-documentation] Alfresco: brainstorming on development of workflows, user groups, etc.

2011-06-16 Thread David Nelson
Hi,

I've been in a mail conversation with the Alfresco guys, notably Jeff
Potts (Chief Community Officer). Jeff is going to give me some
mentoring, and I am going to get started with the practical
implementation work as regards configuring/customizing our LibreOffice
Alfresco platform. If someone else wants to give practical help with
this, they are most welcome at any time.

Jeff is also setting-up an online meeting with the developer of the
currently-dormant OOo plugin for Alfresco so that we can explore how
to update it and get it operationally working with our current
LibreOffice version. This is scheduled to take place during the week
of June 27. Depending on how this initiative develops, we might
possibly be able to envision integrating it into a workflow for the
English docs team. I'm going to post on our LibreOffice devs list and
discuss the project there, too.

So the first practical step will be to establish with the English docs
team exactly what our needs and expectations are. Looking back at past
threads on this list, I guess we can already list the following:

* configure user groups with properly-configured powers;

* develop informative e-mail alerts for added/removed/edited content;

* develop automated workflows for the English docs team (which could
be subsequently replicated for other language projects to manage their
own docs
work, if they express interest). In connection with this, we'd need to
establish whether docs team contributors prefer the classic Alfresco
interface exposed at http://alfresco.libreoffice.org or the newer,
revised heavily-Ajax-powered powered Alfresco interface exposed at
http://documentation.libreoffice.org, or whether both should be
available simultaneously, as at present;

* develop a special world-facing site on documentation.libreoffice.org
and/or media.libreoffice.org to be a
showcase and download point for the platform's content for our end users;

* optionally, depending on how things pan out, configure our Alfresco platform
to properly function with the OOo/LibreOffice plugin for Alfresco, and
integrate that functionality into the EngDocs workflow.

Please could I hear your comments and suggestions about the above?
Once we get some kind of requirements spec figured out, the actual
practical work can start ASAP.

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] PING John Cleland: Status of Calc Guide?

2011-06-16 Thread David Nelson
Hi,

On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 16:27, Jean Hollis Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com wrote:
 Thought I had done this, tried to re-upload but my password did not work,
 probably me.  Couldn't see how to reset password, do you know how to do
 this.

 I can provide you with a new password, which you can then change to one
 of your choice. Look for a private email from me soon.

If Jean hasn't had time to sort out the problem yet, please post back
and I'll do it ASAP.

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