[Elecraft] RE: New concept/tool for CW dxing

2008-02-06 Thread Steve Ireland
G’day

For those on the reflector who are wondering what this new ‘tool’ (VE3NEA’s
CW Skimmer) is like from a user’s point of view, see the review of
well-known contester Pete N4ZR at:

www.pvrc.org/~n4zr/Articles/Skimmer.pdf

I have used Alex’s Rocky software for the last eighteen months or so and,
like Pete, am an alpha/beta tester of the big sister ‘CW Skimmer’ software. 
It is an amazing program and was originally designed to help Alex VE3NEA to
increase his operating efficiency in DX pileups when operating his
100W/dipole type station against those running 1.5kW and beam antennas.

It is a fascinating program to use and has already been responsible for
‘spotting’ a new 160m country for me, whilst I was (kindly) working a pileup
of USA and JA stations on the same band.  Whilst CW Skimmer spotted the
station for me (as a packet cluster would have done), I still had to
actually work the station through a large pile-up... ;-)

Unfortunately, using the $75 CW Skimmer isn’t going to help a little pistol
beat the CQ WW score of a big gun contester who has a holiday QTH in the
Caribbean with automatically tuned Alpha linears, stacked monobanders and
four-squares, so let’s not get carried away here.  It also isn’t going to
make big gun operators of this kind any more invincible if they use it than
they probably already are.  ;-) 

On the other hand, owing to its speed of operation (when a DX station calls
CQ, Skimmer is going to recognize their callsign very quickly, as long as
their CW is half decent and isn’t smothered in noise), it can help little
pistols to work some new countries.  I really like Skimmer and regard it as
the best operating tool in my DXing arsenal.

Of course, coupled with a K3 and using IF-based Q5er/panadaptor, its mojo
may just be amazing!

To paraphrase Mark Twain, the death of real CW operation now that CW Skimmer
has arrived is “greatly exaggerated.”

Vy 73

Steve, VK6VZ
(FOC #1693)



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Re: [Elecraft] K3 SSB width control

2008-02-06 Thread Stewart Baker
Patience my friend...
A known issue list  will eventually appear.
Shades of the Shipping Status ?

73
Stewart G3RXQ
On Wed, 06 Feb 2008 07:28:30 +, David Ferrington, M0XDF wrote:
 Please, I implore Elecraft to publish the known issues list.
 Quite a few threads on here, which seem to get into endless
debate, are
 known issues to Elecraft. I'm sure some people are spending a
lot of time
 tying to figure out something that doesn't seem quite right,
when it is a
 known issue.
 73 de M0XDF / K3 #174


 On 6/2/08 05:09, Greg [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent:

 This is on the issues list already.  The change will be to have
100 Hz steps
 below 3.0 kHz and 200 Hz steps above that.

 73
 Greg
 AB7R


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 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 SSB width control


 probably can't tell the difference between 2.6 and 2.7 so it's
no real
 hardship to keep the DSP 100z narrower, but it's a bit of a
niggle.

 It's rather simple - above 2kHz the K3 uses 200Hz steps and
below 2kHz
 steps of 100Hz.

 If you tune down from 2.7kHz: 2700, 2500, 2300, 2100, etc.

 If you tune up from 1.8kHz: 1800, 1900, 2000, 2200, 2400, 2600,
etc.

 vy 73 de toby
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[Elecraft] RE: New concept/tool for CW dxing

2008-02-06 Thread Steve Ireland
G’day

For those on the reflector who are wondering what this new ‘tool’ (VE3NEA’s
CW Skimmer) is like from a user’s point of view, see the review of
well-known contester Pete N4ZR at:

www.pvrc.org/~n4zr/Articles/Skimmer.pdf

I have used Alex’s Rocky software for the last eighteen months or so and,
like Pete, am an alpha/beta tester of the big sister ‘CW Skimmer’ software. 
It is an amazing program and was originally designed to help Alex VE3NEA to
increase his operating efficiency in DX pileups when operating his
100W/dipole type station against those running 1.5kW and beam antennas.

It is a fascinating program to use and has already been responsible for
‘spotting’ a new 160m country for me, whilst I was (kindly) working a pileup
of USA and JA stations on the same band.  Whilst CW Skimmer spotted the
station for me (as a packet cluster would have done), I still had to
actually work the station through a large pile-up... ;-)

Unfortunately, using the $75 CW Skimmer isn’t going to help a little pistol
beat the CQ WW score of a big gun contester who has a holiday QTH in the
Caribbean with automatically tuned Alpha linears, stacked monobanders and
four-squares, so let’s not get carried away here.  It also isn’t going to
make big gun operators of this kind any more invincible if they use it than
they probably already are.  ;-) 

On the other hand, owing to its speed of operation (when a DX station calls
CQ, Skimmer is going to recognize their callsign very quickly, as long as
their CW is half decent and isn’t smothered in noise), it can help little
pistols to work some new countries.  I really like Skimmer and regard it as
the best operating tool in my DXing arsenal.

Of course, coupled with a K3 and using IF-based Q5er/panadaptor, its mojo
may just be amazing!

To paraphrase Mark Twain, the death of real CW operation now that CW Skimmer
has arrived is “greatly exaggerated.”

Vy 73

Steve, VK6VZ
(FOC #1693)



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[Elecraft] KX1 antenna help

2008-02-06 Thread Dohn
Hello all.

 

I am wondering what the groups opinions are about the best end fed antenna
lengths would be for taking my newly built KX1 mobile?  

 

I have a bunch of #534 wire from wireman coming today.  My KX1 has the 30/80
board and ATU on board as well.

 

I would assume that radials would be appropriate.  How many?  How long?

 

Thank you in advance for your comments.

 

Dohn  N8EWY

 

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[Elecraft] New K3 in (my) town

2008-02-06 Thread George
The Brown Stork delivered K3 # 340 (kit)  Feb 5.  Ordered May 14, w/o deposit.

I vey happy!  Thanks Lisa et al.

George, N4YM
K2 # 4758
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RE: [Elecraft] Why my Wife won't let me buy a K3

2008-02-06 Thread Brett Howard
I told my wife I wanted a K3 her answer was Only if I get to help build
it!...

My wife is a mechanical engineer though :)   

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Subject: [Elecraft] Why my Wife won't let me buy a K3

Get a NEW wife! ;-)


I told my Wife that I was thinking of buying a K3.

She said no and her reason!

You already have a K3.  You have a K1 and a K2
Therefore you have a K3.  K1+K2

She informed me that this was the new math :O)

I had to share this.
Bless my Wife's heart.

Robert Parker
VE3RPF
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[Elecraft] Why my Wife won't let me buy a K3

2008-02-06 Thread Bob
Get a NEW wife! ;-)


I told my Wife that I was thinking of buying a K3.

She said no and her reason!

You already have a K3.  You have a K1 and a K2
Therefore you have a K3.  K1+K2

She informed me that this was the new math :O)

I had to share this.
Bless my Wife's heart.

Robert Parker
VE3RPF
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RE: [Elecraft] Why my Wife won't let me buy a K3

2008-02-06 Thread dj7mgq

When I told my YL I was ordering a K3 her answer was Only if isn't loud...

German: Nur wenn es keinen Krach macht. (Krach = raise hell, crash,  
bang, noise)


vy 73 de toby




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Re: [Elecraft] K3

2008-02-06 Thread JE1TRV

Congrats! Mike

 First qso was VP6PR, yadayada.  .


BTW
What do you mean yadayada?
yadayada means  No No by  girls or kids in Japanese. 


73 de JE1TRV, Atsu
Tokyo Japan
KX1 #248 
K1 #1082 
K2/100 #4255 
K3:asking Eric to accept direct order from JA


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Re: RE: [Elecraft] Why my Wife won't let me buy a K3

2008-02-06 Thread Tom
My wife told me Go and get one, so I can use it also..

She is KD0AZX / HB9EGL.

It sure has an advantage if your (X)yl is a radioamateur too

73 de Tom

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 When I told my YL I was ordering a K3 her answer was Only if isn't
 loud...
 
 German: Nur wenn es keinen Krach macht. (Krach = raise hell, crash,  
 bang, noise)
 
 vy 73 de toby
 
 
 
 
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[Elecraft] K3 (yada yada)

2008-02-06 Thread Barry N1EU
Atsu, see http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/yada-yada.html

The term yada yada became popular after its use in the tv comedy
show Seinfeld.  It's a humorous way to say etcetera etcetera

73,
Barry N1EU
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[Elecraft] MH2: microphone

2008-02-06 Thread David Pratt
I am sure this has been asked before but I cannot recall there being a 
definite answer.


What is the difference between the MH2 microphone that was sold for the 
K2 (and was withdrawn from sale) and the MH2 now being sold for the K3?


Was the original microphone defective in some way?  Does it now have a 
different insert?  If it is different mechanically, what is the 
difference?


73
--
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Leeds, England, UK
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[Elecraft] Why my Wife won't let me buy a K3

2008-02-06 Thread Don Rasmussen
Heard this transmission on the local 2 meter repeater:

So the XYL said to me, You can choose right now, it's
either ME or Ham Radio... !!!

Oeeer. 

;-)


Previous message: [Elecraft] Why my Wife won't let me
buy a K3 


My wife told me Go and get one, so I can use it
also..

She is KD0AZX / HB9EGL.

It sure has an advantage if your (X)yl is a
radioamateur too

73 de Tom





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Re: [Elecraft] MH2: microphone

2008-02-06 Thread Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ Elecraft

They are virtually identical. Same basic mic element, case etc.

We took over manufacturing this when Heil discontinued his OEM version 
suddenly. Apparently he had purchased a group of excess mics and had 
replaced the dynamic element with the Electret element. (Leaving the 
unused dynamic element unused inside the case.) When he ran out he 
suddenly stopped selling them, so we had to locate the manufacturer of 
the plastic cases and spec our own custom version.


For our MH2, the only changes were to eliminate the unused  dynamic 
element left inside the case by Heil, and to improve the foam mounting 
for the electret element for better mechanical support. Overall the two 
mics sound identical. We've bought a very large quantity of these and 
they will be around for some time. :-)


73, Eric

_..._



David Pratt wrote:
I am sure this has been asked before but I cannot recall there being a 
definite answer.


What is the difference between the MH2 microphone that was sold for 
the K2 (and was withdrawn from sale) and the MH2 now being sold for 
the K3?


Was the original microphone defective in some way?  Does it now have a 
different insert?  If it is different mechanically, what is the 
difference?


73

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Re: [Elecraft] Why my Wife won't let me buy a K3

2008-02-06 Thread WILLIS COOKE
Forty-six years ago when my XYL was still a YL I made
it clear to her that she would not like the answer to
that question.

--- Don Rasmussen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Heard this transmission on the local 2 meter
 repeater:
 
 So the XYL said to me, You can choose right now,
 it's
 either ME or Ham Radio... !!!
 
 Oeeer. 
 
 ;-)
 
 
 Previous message: [Elecraft] Why my Wife won't let
 me
 buy a K3 
 
 
 My wife told me Go and get one, so I can use it
 also..
 
 She is KD0AZX / HB9EGL.
 
 It sure has an advantage if your (X)yl is a
 radioamateur too
 
 73 de Tom
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - MH2: microphone

2008-02-06 Thread Geoffrey Downs

Eric Swartz wrote (re the old and the new MH2):



They are virtually identical. Same basic mic element, case etc.


Eric, is the mic element in the Proset-K2 the same and would one expect the 
output level, frequency response and general performance of that and the MH2 
to be the same?


By the way my K3, No 266, has been up and running for a week now and I am 
very happy with it. Many thanks to you, Wayne and all at Elecraft.


73

Geoff
G3UCK


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[Elecraft] K3: computer headset connection

2008-02-06 Thread kw1nd
I'm looking for information on connecting a computer headset's boom mic to the 
K3 rear mic jack.  I've read through the archives, but it seems the messages 
either refer to making connections via the front jack (with its discrete pins 
available), or just, I plugged it in  it worked.  I don't have my K3 yet to 
test with.  My following questions are based on the scenario that just plugging 
it in doesn't work.

My mic plug is stereo, so I'm assuming its an electret.  The K3's jack is mono, 
but apparently has a bias voltage available via the menu.  I'd like to build a 
dongle (short adapter cable) to interface the mic with the jack.  To preserve 
the headset, I don't want to modify its plug or cable.

Does the bias voltage appear on the tip of the K3's jack?  One archived message 
indicated that at least some computer mics have both the ring  tip connected 
together; I'm at work now  can't test mine.  Would I add a resistor across the 
tip  ring lines, and add a small capacitor in-line from the K3's jack tip to 
the mic's tip to block DC?

Sorry for what may be a painfully obvious set of questions, but I've never 
connected anything but a regular mic to a rig before.  I plan on using the rear 
jacks to keep unnecessary cables from cluttering up the front of the rig.

73,

Mike
KW1ND 
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Re: [Elecraft] MH2: microphone

2008-02-06 Thread David Pratt
Many thanks to Eric, Ed N0EHQ and Geoff G3UCK for their comments about 
the MH2.  Those that I have heard from a K3 produce excellent audio.


73

David G4DMP

In a recent message, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ Elecraft [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote ...

They are virtually identical. Same basic mic element, case etc.



David Pratt wrote:
What is the difference between the MH2 microphone that was sold for 
the K2 (and was withdrawn from sale) and the MH2 now being sold for 
the K3?

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RE: [Elecraft] K3 SSB width control

2008-02-06 Thread rkayakr

Greg
  I'll add my voice to M0XDF's comments. I have wasted many hours in
frustrated operating attempts and in trying to carefully document problems
only to be told that they were know.
  In addition to bugs, we have seen repeated discussion of feature requests,
that go on and on until someone from Elecraft lets it slip in a comment that
they are on the secret development list.
  Many software development projects publish a list of what they are working
on and what to expect in the next release. This would be very useful to your
customers. I think an Elecraft maintained list would serve us all better
than the informal attempts of users to maintain a list or people
confidentially mailing out their perceived list of problems.
  Bob
KD8CGH
KX1, K2, K3


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Re: [Elecraft] Key-Out of the K3

2008-02-06 Thread Robert Tellefsen
Is there any adjustment to this delay?
I think the K2's delay is a bit longer,
for example.
73, Bob N6WG

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Subject: [Elecraft] Key-Out of the K3


 Lee

  From the key out line on the K3 going low, RF appears just a shade
over
 10 mS later. You need a linear that can accept RF in that time.

 73 Dave, G4AON
 K3/100 #80 and Acom 1000 linear.
 http://www.astromag.co.uk/k3/
 =
 I would like a clarification of this feature from the users and what
 users have found in real-life.

 Lee Buller
 K0WA
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Re: [Elecraft] Key-Out of the K3

2008-02-06 Thread David Pratt

In a recent message, Robert Tellefsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote ...

Is there any adjustment to this delay?
I think the K2's delay is a bit longer,
for example.


I agree there, Bob.  Using the K3 with the XV144 on CW, the XV relays 
clatter with every dot and dash which did not happen with the K2.  I am 
a bit worried that it can't be doing the XV144 relays much good.


73
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Leeds, England, UK
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Re: [Elecraft] Key-Out of the K3

2008-02-06 Thread Greg - AB7R
Not yet.  There will be a menu item for an adjustable delay within certain 
limits, but I cannot say exactly 
when it will be available.


-
73,
Greg - AB7R
Whidbey Island WA
NA-065
K3#0009

On Wed Feb  6  9:23 , Robert Tellefsen  sent:

Is there any adjustment to this delay?
I think the K2's delay is a bit longer,
for example.
73, Bob N6WG

- Original Message -
From: Dave G4AON [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 11:28 AM
Subject: [Elecraft] Key-Out of the K3


 Lee

  From the key out line on the K3 going low, RF appears just a shade
over
 10 mS later. You need a linear that can accept RF in that time.

 73 Dave, G4AON
 K3/100 #80 and Acom 1000 linear.
 http://www.astromag.co.uk/k3/
 =
 I would like a clarification of this feature from the users and what
 users have found in real-life.

 Lee Buller
 K0WA
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[Elecraft] K3: Issues and Enhancements document

2008-02-06 Thread DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL
RE:  Issues and Enhancements document

I agree that it is time to make this available.

It seems that Elecraft has really ramped up the production (at least
for now) of the K3s.  There are ostensibly over 300 in the hands of
users.  Customer expectations are shifting.

I too would like to see a place on the Elecraft page where we can see
just what's on the list in terms of:

1.  Known issues (problem list / bugs) that are either in the works
and being resolved or soon to be addressed.

2.  Requested enhancements (wish list) with some sort of priority
flag (high, med, low, and don't hold your breath)

Since the list is often cited on the Elecraft Reflector, I would
hope that it would not take a whole of time and effort to post the
list somewhere.

Okaythis probably does not meet the email list criteria since it
is a me too comment, but I hope I don't get stomped on too badly.
;-)

de Doug KR2Q
K2 5285
1st K3 #295
2nd K3 (on order since Nov 21)

And did I tell you that I really like the K3 and the Elecraft customer service!
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RE: [Elecraft] New concept/tool for CW dxing

2008-02-06 Thread G4ILO


Steve Ireland wrote:
 
 It is a fascinating program to use and has already been responsible for
 ‘spotting’ a new 160m country for me
 
 
I think this is exactly the kind of thing that people are objecting to.
Taking away the work and the element of chance involved in hunting for the
DX removes a lot of the challenge, even if you do still have to work it. And
if the big guns are instantly alerted to the presence of any DX on the band,
it reduces the window of opportunity for the alert, but un-equipped with
this program, little pistols.

-
Julian, G4ILO  K3 s/n: 222 K2 s/n: 392
G4ILO's Shack: www.g4ilo.com
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Re: [Elecraft] K3: Issues and Enhancements document

2008-02-06 Thread Vic K2VCO

DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL wrote:

RE:  Issues and Enhancements document



1.  Known issues (problem list / bugs) that are either in the works
and being resolved or soon to be addressed.

2.  Requested enhancements (wish list) with some sort of priority
flag (high, med, low, and don't hold your breath)


I too would like this, but as a software developer I know why they don't 
do it (at least, I know why *I* don't do it).


1) The amount of time it would take to compile such a list might not be 
unreasonable. But then they have to respond to all the questions, 
suggestions, and arguments that it will generate. And the 'they' is 
basically Wayne, who really has more to do now than one regular human 
can do.


2) Once something is listed as a future feature, many will interpret 
that as a contract. If it turns out later to have been a bad idea, too 
complicated, etc. then the decision to not do it will have to be justified.


Think about this in terms of the *thousands* of people who have an 
interest in the K3 and you can see why it would be a heavy load.

--
73,
Vic, K2VCO
Fresno CA
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Re: [Elecraft] New concept/tool for CW dxing

2008-02-06 Thread Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy

Ten out of ten Julian.

73,
Geoff
GM4ESD

Julian G4ILO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I think this is exactly the kind of thing that people are objecting to.
Taking away the work and the element of chance involved in hunting for the
DX removes a lot of the challenge, even if you do still have to work it. And
if the big guns are instantly alerted to the presence of any DX on the band,
it reduces the window of opportunity for the alert, but un-equipped with
this program, little pistols.


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Re: [Elecraft] K3: Issues and Enhancements document

2008-02-06 Thread David Ferrington, M0XDF
It Elecraft send me their bug / issues list, I will treat it confidential
and put together an agreed (with them) page for the Wiki.

Could we not do this on an 'as seen' basis, no questions to Elecraft about
the issues, or at least not that you should expect Wayne/Eric/Lyle/Greg to
answer (sorry if I missed anyone :)



On 6/2/08 18:49, Vic K2VCO [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent:

 DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL wrote:
 RE:  Issues and Enhancements document
 
 1.  Known issues (problem list / bugs) that are either in the works
 and being resolved or soon to be addressed.
 
 2.  Requested enhancements (wish list) with some sort of priority
 flag (high, med, low, and don't hold your breath)
 
 I too would like this, but as a software developer I know why they don't
 do it (at least, I know why *I* don't do it).
 
 1) The amount of time it would take to compile such a list might not be
 unreasonable. But then they have to respond to all the questions,
 suggestions, and arguments that it will generate. And the 'they' is
 basically Wayne, who really has more to do now than one regular human
 can do.
 
 2) Once something is listed as a future feature, many will interpret
 that as a contract. If it turns out later to have been a bad idea, too
 complicated, etc. then the decision to not do it will have to be justified.
 
 Think about this in terms of the *thousands* of people who have an
 interest in the K3 and you can see why it would be a heavy load.

-- 
When I am working on a problem I never think about beauty.
I only think about how to solve the problem.
But when I have finished, if the solution is not beautiful,
I know it is wrong.
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Re: [Elecraft] New concept/tool for CW dxing

2008-02-06 Thread Romanchik Dan
It's all a matter of where you draw the line. This is just more  
technology, and technology is **supposed** to make things easier.  
Following your line of reasoning, we'd have to disqualify those using  
DSP  or beam antennas because it makes DXing harder for those that  
don't have them.


73!

Dan KB6NU
--
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LET'S GET MORE KIDS INTO HAM RADIO!


On Feb 6, 2008, at Feb 6, 1:30 PM, G4ILO wrote:


Steve Ireland wrote:


It is a fascinating program to use and has already been  
responsible for

‘spotting’ a new 160m country for me


I think this is exactly the kind of thing that people are objecting  
to.
Taking away the work and the element of chance involved in hunting  
for the
DX removes a lot of the challenge, even if you do still have to  
work it. And
if the big guns are instantly alerted to the presence of any DX on  
the band,
it reduces the window of opportunity for the alert, but un-equipped  
with

this program, little pistols.

-
Julian, G4ILO  K3 s/n: 222 K2 s/n: 392
G4ILO's Shack: www.g4ilo.com
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RE: [Elecraft] New concept/tool for CW dxing

2008-02-06 Thread Tom AK2B

After playing with this program for a few days it seems obvious that the
decoding part of the program is trying most of all to extract a call sign.
As a result of this you can see the AI part of the program do what it can to
separate all things after “DE” and construct a legitimate call. You can
almost see it “think” as it makes those decisions. If you’re looking for a
straight CW decoder for ciphering contest calls at mach 3, the K3 will do it
as well as any of them and better than most (including CW Skimmer). I just
admire Alex’s programming efforts. His unusually simple interfaces always
succeed in disguising some very complex programming. The real benefit of
this program will be realized with an I/Q receiver on the IF port.
It seems strange that some hams would find this sort of technology
objectionable. After all, aren’t we all about technology? Why would we hang
around this forum if we weren't looking for a leg up. Just because someone
has found a tool to work a new one doesn’t mean anything except to the ham
that did it. There are times when I take out my homebrew DC receiver and a
homebrew transmitter and pound away. There are times when I like to take my
KX-1 to Central Park. There are times when I have three or four ham programs
running all connected to my K3 during a contest. I do it because I want to
and because its fun. If it wasn’t, I could go play golf (and really make
myself miserable).

Tom, AK2B



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[Elecraft] K3 SSB Audio

2008-02-06 Thread Nick Henwood
Having a great time with my K3 (#228) which I mainly use for CW. However on SSB 
(2.7 filter) I find it tends to ring - even more so with DSP (speaker and 
headphones). Gary sent me a very fast and helpful e-mail and I have found that 
trial and error adjustment of FL FRQ makes an improvement - but it still tends 
to resonate slightly.
Is it the xtal filter (would the 2.8 be better?). 
Is it anno domini and my hearing ? (unlikely as I was only licenced in 1963).
Gather others have commented and would welcome shared experiences and advice 
73 Nick G3RWF
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RE: [Elecraft] K3: Issues and Enhancements document

2008-02-06 Thread Brett Howard
Would it make you feel better if it was said that getting a list is on the
list?  Cause I'm willing to be that's all you'll get.


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Re: [Elecraft] K3: Issues and Enhancements document

2008-02-06 Thread David Ferrington, M0XDF
Not A Lot
:)


On 6/2/08 20:03, Brett Howard [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent:

 Would it make you feel better if it was said that getting a list is on the
 list?  Cause I'm willing to be that's all you'll get.

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[Elecraft] It's their business ...

2008-02-06 Thread Ken Kopp
It's Elecraft's (Wayne  Eric) business to run as they see fit ... not 
ours.


There's no way they could  ... or should ... respond to each and every
one of our whims.

73! Ken Kopp - K0PP
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[Elecraft] K2 ALIGNMENT II

2008-02-06 Thread RICHARD MC KINNEY
Do I have a problem ???

Completed alignment II and all went fine by the book.  No problems of any kind. 
 But I put an antenna on it to tune around a bit and not much there.  Only very 
strong cw siganls as heard on my icom could be barely heard on the K2.  Is this 
normal or do I have a problem ?  WB4VFN  Rich
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[Elecraft] Sidetone

2008-02-06 Thread Wayne L. Reed
I have been away from the K2 for a while.  I decided I wanted to get my CW back 
into good form and was using the internal keyer with no antenna and power set 
to nil (0.1 watt).
After using it a while, I decided to set the sidetone in to PF1 and make levels 
easier to set.  I did that and the next time I poked a button (intended to be 
PF1) the sidetone quit and no amount of playing with the menus has made it 
return.  

Finally the sidetone comes on if I hold PF1 to display the sidetone menu and 
then release that and push menu.

At no time does the sidetone act normal.

What next?

Wayne, K9NE
K2  S/N 4858
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Re: [Elecraft] MH2: microphone

2008-02-06 Thread Paul



They are virtually identical. Same basic mic element, case etc.

We took over manufacturing this when Heil discontinued his OEM 
version suddenly. Apparently he had purchased a group of excess mics 
and had replaced the dynamic element with the Electret element. 
(Leaving the unused dynamic element unused inside the case.) When he 
ran out he suddenly stopped selling them, so we had to locate the 
manufacturer of the plastic cases and spec our own custom version.


For our MH2, the only changes were to eliminate the unused  dynamic 
element left inside the case by Heil, and to improve the foam 
mounting for the electret element for better mechanical support. 
Overall the two mics sound identical. We've bought a very large 
quantity of these and they will be around for some time. :-)


73, Eric


Is the old Elecraft/Heil MD2 plug and play with the K3?

Paul N4LCD 
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[Elecraft] RE: Issues and Enhancement Documents.

2008-02-06 Thread Dave Agsten

It seems like most of those calling for a list of
issues and enhancements are ones who have already
received their K3. First, they whined about the
delayed shipping, and now, once they have their K3,
have found something else to whine about. Maybe they
should consider investing the time spent shooting out
e-mail after e-mail in learning about their K3. If you
think something's an issue, inquire about it ONCE and
get back to the learning process. Folks on this list
will respond with a status in most cases. That should
be enough for now. Let Wayne and Eric and their staff
focus on the business of catching up on their shipping
and the other things they consider important. As Ken
said It's their business. Let them attend to it.
I'm sure, that in time, all of these issues will be
addressed and, in most cases, answered.

Perhaps the price one pays for wanting to be first in
line for a K3 is to also have to use their own
initiative for awhile to figure things out. At times
it appears that this reflector has become a crutch for
even the simple questions or ones that have been asked
and answered numerous times. 

Let's let Wayne, Eric and the Elecraft staff focus on
the business of getting caught up on their K3 orders
and the issues THEY want to focus on. I'm sure there
are many folks on here who would love to just get
their hands on their K3.

73,
Dave N8AG


  

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Re: [Elecraft] It's their business ...

2008-02-06 Thread Dave Martin
On Feb 6, 2008 3:10 PM, Ken Kopp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 It's Elecraft's (Wayne  Eric) business to run as they see fit ... not
 ours.

 There's no way they could  ... or should ... respond to each and every
 one of our whims.

 73! Ken Kopp - K0PP
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Right, Ken.  Elecraft isn't a customer owned co-op.  This reflector
sometimes seems like a Baptist business meeting.  Everyone must have
their say.  And it's nice that we can.  The list generates some good
info.

Dave  W5DHM
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[Elecraft] K2 - Low Pass Filter location

2008-02-06 Thread Phil Kane

  At present, I am using the K2/100 to feed a KAT100 antenna
  tuner.  A 160m-10m dipole is connected to the KAT100 as ANT 1
  through a low-pass filter and a dummy load is connected as ANT
  2, controlled from the K2.

  I am in the process of installing another antenna (40m-10m
  vertical) as my prime antenna and the dipole will be my
  secondary antenna.  For ease of operation I would install one
  as ANT 1 and the other as ANT 2. To take advantage of the
  low-pass filter for both antennas I am considering installing
  it between the K2/100 and the KAT2.

  My concern is with non-linear components in the KAT100 RF path
  that would generate harmonics and negate the advantage of the
  filter. Sampling diodes, as in a SWR bridge, are always suspect.
  If this is to be a problem, I would have to get a second filter,
  one for each antenna, which is something that I really don't want
  to do unless I have to.

  Anyone have words of wisdom based on practical experience?

--
   73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
   Elecraft K2/100   s/n 5402



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[Elecraft] K3 SN308 is alive and well

2008-02-06 Thread Phil Debbie Salas
The build went smoothly - the instructions really take you by the hand and 
make the assembly almost stupid-proof.  I was astounded by the presicion of 
all the matching pieces.  Everything lined up perfectly.  For me, the only 
tricky part was getting the green LEDs on the front panel pc board to 
line-up with the front panel - but it wasn't that big a deal.


After completing the unit, I had one operator error (I was getting tired), 
one card that needed a slight tweak, and a bad speaker.  Elecraft support 
responded quickly and took great care of me.


The radio is fantastic, and was very much worth the wait.  It is the finest 
transceiver I've ever used in my 44 years of hamming.  The controls and 
menus are well thought out.  The automatic CW tuning aid is something to 
behold!!  QSK is wonderfull (I'm primarily a CW op) and works seamlessly 
with my QSK-modified ALS-600 amplifier.  I'm still learning the radio, and 
I'm having a great time.


Anyone want to buy a Yaesu MKV?

Phil - AD5X 


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Re: [Elecraft] K2 - Low Pass Filter location

2008-02-06 Thread Vic K2VCO

Phil Kane wrote:


  My concern is with non-linear components in the KAT100 RF path
  that would generate harmonics and negate the advantage of the
  filter. Sampling diodes, as in a SWR bridge, are always suspect.
  If this is to be a problem, I would have to get a second filter,
  one for each antenna, which is something that I really don't want
  to do unless I have to.


This is an interesting question, because it brings back memories of the 
good old days when everyone needed an LP filter because of VHF TVI!


Keep in mind that the diodes in the KAT100 are before the tuning 
elements, so that insofar as the L network acts as a LP filter it will 
reduce the harmonics generated by the diodes. But this will probably 
depend on the band and the impedance the KAT100 is working into.


Also keep in mind that the LP filter is designed to work into a 50 ohm 
resistive load and will be either lossy or ineffective if the impedance 
seen on the antenna side of the KAT100 varies much from this.


So I would put the LP filter before the KAT100 to deal with any 
harmonics generated in the K2, and hope that the tuner will eat anything 
the diodes make.


Do you really have harmonic VHF TVI with the K2?

--
73,
Vic, K2VCO
Fresno CA
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[Elecraft] WTB FT857D / Ft100D

2008-02-06 Thread Niel Skousen

Good Morning...

My apologies in advance to those on both lists, who see this twice...

My FT-100D is now dead.  This is my mobile rig, and is used to listen to 
CW on my commute (see it IS QRP related...) ...


HF finals blown, and a receive problem (low sensitivity) too.

My time is very limited right now, I opened it up to repair it over a 
month ago, and it will drag out for weeks if not months...  so before I 
dive deeper into the repairs thought I'd ask...


Does anyone have a 100D or 857D for sale ?

Or want to trade a 'parts' 100D + cash for either a working FT100D or an
857D ?

Thanks
Niel

PS: FWIW, I'm in So.Utah and work in Las Vegas if there is anyone 
interested in conducting a transaction in person...


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Re: [Elecraft] RE: Issues and Enhancement Documents.

2008-02-06 Thread David Ferrington, M0XDF
UNFAIR!
We are most certainly investigating our K3s (I've had mine for a month now
and am still learning) - I spent a week of trying to resolve an issue,
including taking out the I/O modules and performing some measurements to try
to resolve this (at Elecraft's request), all of which proved not to be the
problem (ok, that's what investigation is about).

So I used my own initiative and followed my first thoughts - considered it
was a firmware bug (which I had stated the week previously), reverted the
firmware and the problem went away.

I then posted that to the list (after Elecraft had confirmed it) to assist
those who may have had similar problems and were wondering about it.
All of which Elecraft have stated was of help.

The end result though was a known issue.
My point is, a lot of us would not be asking on the list and Elecraft would
not be spending so much time responding to questions, if the known issues
were available.

Lovely company, great people, great support and responsiveness - a little
lacking on the communication side. Perhaps I'm expecting too much, in my
line of business, my suppliers publish known issues, expected resolutions
and statuses on web sites - but yes they are multi-million companies.
And I have to admit, that not something the big 3 do either.

Yes I accept that I'm at the sharp end, yes I'm happy to find and report
issues. Having the known issues published saves everybody time documenting
and chasing them and lets us get on with using the rig and hopefully
resolving other issues for those that will follow.

Sorry for long posting.

73 de M0XDF / K3 #174



On 6/2/08 20:56, Dave Agsten [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent:

 
 It seems like most of those calling for a list of
 issues and enhancements are ones who have already
 received their K3. First, they whined about the
 delayed shipping, and now, once they have their K3,
 have found something else to whine about. Maybe they
 should consider investing the time spent shooting out
 e-mail after e-mail in learning about their K3. If you
 think something's an issue, inquire about it ONCE and
 get back to the learning process. Folks on this list
 will respond with a status in most cases. That should
 be enough for now. Let Wayne and Eric and their staff
 focus on the business of catching up on their shipping
 and the other things they consider important. As Ken
 said It's their business. Let them attend to it.
 I'm sure, that in time, all of these issues will be
 addressed and, in most cases, answered.
 
 Perhaps the price one pays for wanting to be first in
 line for a K3 is to also have to use their own
 initiative for awhile to figure things out. At times
 it appears that this reflector has become a crutch for
 even the simple questions or ones that have been asked
 and answered numerous times.
 
 Let's let Wayne, Eric and the Elecraft staff focus on
 the business of getting caught up on their K3 orders
 and the issues THEY want to focus on. I'm sure there
 are many folks on here who would love to just get
 their hands on their K3.
 
 73,
 Dave N8AG

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[Elecraft] It's their business ...

2008-02-06 Thread Don Rasmussen
As a resonable person ;-) I drew the line at
satisfied when my K3 was delivered, anything further
would be icing on the cake. Still true, it's an easy
choice. 

We (with K3's) must acknowledge that others still
don't have their radios, or the SubRx - these should
take priority, right? 

After that, I suggested to Eric and Wayne that my
company (software) has a great solution. All of the
issues are posted on a web page along with the date
the issue was raised. Any registered client is allowed
to add themselves to any of the items on the list
one time. Clients see the count incremented when they
add themselves to any issue. 

It becomes very apparent what is most in demand, and
given X number of hours to work on software
modifications per release, everyone has a fairly good
idea where the hours would best be spent. 

If there were such a list, where would the list itself
be sequenced?

* Any data corrupting problems in firmware (only one I
know of ever was the VFO B differing band issue and
that was fixed immediately). Imagine there are things
I don't know about if they run like we do. ;-)

* Finish and test SubRx Code - think this one is EASY?
That will be the mother of all firmware projects and
then wait until it's released (feedback!).

* FM mode code, SCAN, ESSB Tx, and any other
uncompleted yet advertised features. 

...(Client list would be here)...
* Any new requests that come up after initial
shipments that are non data corrupting. 

In truth, this is only wrt K3 firmware - the company
has Dayton coming up - they should bring something,
right? 

No wonder Wayne does not sleep, don't know about
Eric.. 
 
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Re: [Elecraft] RE: Issues and Enhancement Documents.

2008-02-06 Thread K4IA
There is a page on the K3 Wiki for K3 Firmware  - Known Issues   
http://www.zerobeat.net/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page

Can we encourage  people to start posting there and building a data base?  
That is what Wikis  are for (I think cuz I don't really understand them).

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[OT] Re: [Elecraft] New concept/tool for CW dxing

2008-02-06 Thread Bill W5WVO

Tom AK2B wrote:


It seems strange that some hams would find this sort of technology
objectionable. After all, aren’t we all about technology? Why would
we hang around this forum if we weren't looking for a leg up?


It's really very simple -- a matter of the normal distribution of the 
variations of human personality.


A substantial proportion of people are naturally conservative. They don't 
react well to things being changed. They will make up a lot of very convincing 
arguments why this or that change is unwise and shouldn't be allowed, but at 
the end of the day, it's just very hard for them emotionally to accept things 
becoming different than what they're used to.


Another substantial proportion of people are naturally progressive. They don't 
react well to things being left alone to mature and take root. They will make 
up a lot of very convincing arguments why this or that isn't good enough and 
has to be changed, but at the end of the day, it's just very hard for them 
emotionally to settle down and leave well enough alone.


These two forces are in a never-ending circular dance of engagement, even 
struggle. This is basically the thesis-antithesis-synthesis process of 
Hegelian dialectic, if you remember your Philosophy 101. If either side, 
thesis or antithesis, becomes all-powerful, the dialectic process is subverted 
and things tend to go wrong eventually.


This is because Nature does have a slight built-in bias in favor of change. 
It's called adaptation. An individual, a species, even life collectively 
either adapts or eventually becomes extinct. Nothing stays the same forever. 
Stasis is not an option in this universe.


This small bit of potentially relevant  philosophy is brought to you as a 
brief respite from the ravages of taking some things in our wonderful hobby 
way too seriously. :-)


Bill W5WVO

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[Elecraft] MH2: microphone

2008-02-06 Thread Barry McWilliams

Paul asked, is the old Elecraft/Heil MD2 plug and play with the K3?

Yes, I have an MD2 and it works well with the K3.

Barry, WK2S
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Re: [Elecraft] Key-Out of the K3

2008-02-06 Thread Mike Harris
G'day,

| In a recent message, Robert Tellefsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote ...
| Is there any adjustment to this delay?
| I think the K2's delay is a bit longer,
| for example.
|
| I agree there, Bob.  Using the K3 with the XV144 on CW, the XV relays
| clatter with every dot and dash which did not happen with the K2.  I am
| a bit worried that it can't be doing the XV144 relays much good.

Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't we mixing up two delays here? 
Currently there isn't an adjustable PTT on/carrier up delay on the K3, 
this is the same for the K2, approx 10ms if I remember correctly.  But did 
I not read that in semi break-in with the K3 you can adjust the release 
delay.  That should stop the relays rattling.

In fact, I did this on my K2 (QSK delay) to reduce the fast vacuum relay 
activity on my Acom amp.  Changed the t-r delay to 0.03 seconds.  I don't 
want to listen to noise between the dots.

There again I could be barking up the wrong tree.

Regards,

Mike VP8NO


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Re: [Elecraft] Key-Out of the K3

2008-02-06 Thread Robert Tellefsen
Yes, Mike, you are right about the release delay.
Done the same thing here with my K2.
I think the original question addressed the PTT on/carrier up delay
though.  It sounds like that has a fixed delay of about 10ms at
present.
73, Bob N6WG

- Original Message -
From: Mike Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net; David Pratt
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 2:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Key-Out of the K3


 G'day,

 | In a recent message, Robert Tellefsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote ...
 | Is there any adjustment to this delay?
 | I think the K2's delay is a bit longer,
 | for example.
 |
 | I agree there, Bob.  Using the K3 with the XV144 on CW, the XV
relays
 | clatter with every dot and dash which did not happen with the K2.
I am
 | a bit worried that it can't be doing the XV144 relays much good.

 Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't we mixing up two delays here?
 Currently there isn't an adjustable PTT on/carrier up delay on the
K3,
 this is the same for the K2, approx 10ms if I remember correctly.
But did
 I not read that in semi break-in with the K3 you can adjust the
release
 delay.  That should stop the relays rattling.

 In fact, I did this on my K2 (QSK delay) to reduce the fast vacuum
relay
 activity on my Acom amp.  Changed the t-r delay to 0.03 seconds.  I
don't
 want to listen to noise between the dots.

 There again I could be barking up the wrong tree.

 Regards,

 Mike VP8NO


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Re: [Elecraft] K2 - Low Pass Filter location

2008-02-06 Thread Don Wilhelm

Phil,

I would place the low pass filter between the K2/100 and the KAT100 in 
any case.
For any LPF to behave properly, it must be terminated in 50 ohms (or 
something close), and that is not realized with the LPF connected on the 
output of the KAT100.


Any low pass filter worth its salt should not create any non-linearity - 
but again, if it is not properly terminated, the cutoff frequency may 
not be where you expect it to be.


73,
Don W3FPR

Phil Kane wrote:

  At present, I am using the K2/100 to feed a KAT100 antenna
  tuner.  A 160m-10m dipole is connected to the KAT100 as ANT 1
  through a low-pass filter and a dummy load is connected as ANT
  2, controlled from the K2.

  I am in the process of installing another antenna (40m-10m
  vertical) as my prime antenna and the dipole will be my
  secondary antenna.  For ease of operation I would install one
  as ANT 1 and the other as ANT 2. To take advantage of the
  low-pass filter for both antennas I am considering installing
  it between the K2/100 and the KAT2.

  My concern is with non-linear components in the KAT100 RF path
  that would generate harmonics and negate the advantage of the
  filter. Sampling diodes, as in a SWR bridge, are always suspect.
  If this is to be a problem, I would have to get a second filter,
  one for each antenna, which is something that I really don't want
  to do unless I have to.

  Anyone have words of wisdom based on practical experience?

--
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Re: [Elecraft] RE: Issues and Enhancement Documents.

2008-02-06 Thread Don Wilhelm

Dave,

Download the latest K3 errata sheet - it has some of the information 
that you are seeking, but I fear, not all.


73,
Don W3FPR

David Ferrington, M0XDF wrote:

The end result though was a known issue.
My point is, a lot of us would not be asking on the list and Elecraft would
not be spending so much time responding to questions, if the known issues
were available.

  


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Re: [Elecraft] It's their business ...

2008-02-06 Thread David Pratt
Well said, Ken; there is a list of outstanding firmware features 
included in the Errata to the Owner's Manual and that should be 
sufficient for the end user until Elecraft choose to make any further 
announcements about bug fixes, etc.

http://www.elecraft.com/manual/E740107E_K3_owner's_man_errata_C1-3.pdf

73

David G4DMP

In a recent message, Ken Kopp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote ...
It's Elecraft's (Wayne  Eric) business to run as they see fit ... not 
ours.


There's no way they could  ... or should ... respond to each and every
one of our whims.

--
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Leeds, England, UK
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[Elecraft] OT: It's their business. I question your stance.

2008-02-06 Thread DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL
I do not wish to get into a pg match, but I take exception to your
stance.  Further, I absolutely take the lead provided by the Elecraft
principles, namely Wayne and Eric.

Both of these gentlemen comment on the reflector on nearly a daily
basis (probably more than daily).  They respond to queries, they
provide advice, and they seem (at least to me) to engage their
customers and potential customers in a very up front and personal
manner.  This naturally leads to a dialog taking place on the Elecraft
(their) reflector.  They sure do seem to INVITE input at every turn.
This (to me) seems only natural since they clearly and explicitly
promote great customer service via the personal touch.  Does this set
them apart from all other Ham Radio transceiver manufacturers?  I
think so...and I'm thankful for it.

I would venture to say that, despite their own postings that they
can't communicate with everybody, that they have, in fact, had
personal communication with many of us...maybe even most of us.

Making suggestions for fixes or enhancements has not only been
strongly (and again, explicitly) encouraged, it has resulted in
firmware changes (and even panel layout changes) which is proudly
shared with us customers via this reflector.  This demonstrates (to
me) super customer service and a strong desire to maintain the already
established powerful relationship with their target market (us).

The only chiding I have seen from these gents has been directed to
those who are not Elecraft but nevertheless attempt to steer certain
posts away.  Eric has stated numerous times that it's his ball and
that he is the cop on the beat here.  It is even posted under the
Elecraft List Guidelines.
http://www.elecraft.com/elecraft_list_guidelines.htm

I think that any suggestions from CUSTOMERS not only SHOULD be
welcomed, but actually ARE welcomed by both Eric and Wayne.   Their
recognition of commerce as a two-way street is commendable and worthy
of high praise.  I laud their approach and their stick-to-it-ness on
that front.

Requesting that their self-acknowledged list of enhancements/fixes
be made public is simply the act of highly engaged customers asking
for an even closer relationship.  It is not telling or demanding
anything and, IMHO, it is NOT running their business.  As always,
Wayne and Eric are free to accept such input or not.  Equally, THEY
are available to tell us to cram it or not.

So far, I have only seen welcoming comments from these two gentlemen.
Hence, I feel that all posters on the Elecraft reflector are justified
in posting their wishes, desire, found faults, etc...all of which will
only enhance the supplier-customer relationship.

OK...putting my soapbox away for now.

Respectfully submitted

de Doug KR2Q
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Re: [Elecraft] Key-Out of the K3

2008-02-06 Thread David Pratt
I have tried semi-QSK, Mike, but still get the XV144 relay clatter at 
speeds less than about 24wpm.  I can't find in the manual which config 
command I need to change the release delay. Can you point me to it 
please?  I would like to stop the XV144 relays switching between Morse 
elements at 18-20wpm.


73

David G4DMP

In a recent message, Mike Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote ...


| I agree there, Bob.  Using the K3 with the XV144 on CW, the XV relays
| clatter with every dot and dash which did not happen with the K2.  I am
| a bit worried that it can't be doing the XV144 relays much good.

Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't we mixing up two delays here?
Currently there isn't an adjustable PTT on/carrier up delay on the K3,
this is the same for the K2, approx 10ms if I remember correctly.  But did
I not read that in semi break-in with the K3 you can adjust the release
delay.  That should stop the relays rattling.

--
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[Elecraft] Purchase K3

2008-02-06 Thread Earl Bailley
My wife  has no control whether or no I buy a K3.  She has CONTROL over 
everything! So gentlemen watch your retirements, sneak and hide, stash and bury 
then hope to live long enough to get what you want.

I have a delimma here now. I have a brand spanking new assembled by a pro K2. 
UNUSED or TESTED (deficit of skills comes with age)But not an iota of cash. So 
I am thinking of selling a Henry 3KA  monster amp and the K2.   I will get used 
to QRP.  But what a shame to waste new 3-500 on the uninitiated.  I really 
know. Years back I was Power Tube Manager at Amperex who invented the tube  ( 
yeah I got them for free then -- now all my friends are dead and gone) The 
thought of list price really irritates.  I will have two essential items left.

A 50 ft rocket launcher and 42 ft of RBX crappo tower. AND a HyGainHyTower. 
There is at least one good antenna in there. Not gonna sell but leave them to 
the first post mortem digger!

73

Earl W7TK
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[Elecraft] QSK Delay

2008-02-06 Thread w6jd
To change the QSK release delay, fully depress the mic/comp control,
it is labled delay below the control, then adjust the amount of delay
until you nolonger have the relay clatter.

Doug, W6JD
K2/100 #1626
K3/100 #23
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Re: [Elecraft] K2 - Low Pass Filter location

2008-02-06 Thread Phil Kane
On Wed, 06 Feb 2008 13:29:04 -0800, Vic K2VCO wrote:

 Do you really have harmonic VHF TVI with the K2?

  Gosh, I hope not!  But for the last 55 years of hamming I've
  lived in cities that had Channel 2, 5, and/or 6 stations, and
  although the vast majority of home TV sets are on cable or
  satellite feeds now, I'm still gun-shy.  Having chased TVI for
  Uncle Sam for 30 years it would be very embarrassing for me to
  be the culprit!

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Re: [Elecraft] New concept/tool for CW dxing

2008-02-06 Thread N2EY
In a message dated 2/6/08 2:59:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:


 It seems strange that some hams would find this sort of technology
 objectionable. 

Not to me.


After all, aren’t we all about technology? 

No. While technology is a big part of ham radio, it's not the only thing. If 
it were, we'd have stopped using modes like CW, AM, FM and FSK RTTY long ago. 
We'd have channelized, ALE-type rigs, etc.

Why would we hang
 
 around this forum if we weren't looking for a leg up. Just because someone
 has found a tool to work a new one doesn’t mean anything except to the ham
 that did it.

That's fine in everyday operating. But in a competitive situation like a 
contest it's a different thing entirely, because competition is a mix of 
technology and operator skill.

Some analogies:

What if someone wanted to use a hybrid bicycle in the Tour de France? One 
that would store the energy from a downhill run to be released on an uphill 
climb? For that matter, why aren't mopeds allowed?

I could probably win the Boston Marathon if they let me use roller skates 
(and everyone else didn't).

Corked bats in baseball - super-distance golf balls - turbine-powered Indy 
cars - lots of ways technology can give someone an edge and change the game 
completely.


 There are times when I take out my homebrew DC receiver and a
 
 homebrew transmitter and pound away. There are times when I like to take my
 KX-1 to Central Park. There are times when I have three or four ham programs
 running all connected to my K3 during a contest. I do it because I want to
 and because its fun.

No problem with any of that. The question is, where is the line at which a 
contest station is no longer single-operator unassisted?


 If it wasn’t, I could go play golf (and really make
 
 myself miserable).
 
 They call it golf because all the other four-letter words were already taken.


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Re: [Elecraft] K2 - Low Pass Filter location

2008-02-06 Thread Phil Kane
On Wed, 06 Feb 2008 17:35:45 -0500, Don Wilhelm wrote:

 I would place the low pass filter between the K2/100 and the
 KAT100 in any case. For any LPF to behave properly, it must be
 terminated in 50 ohms (or something close), and that is not
 realized with the LPF connected on the output of the KAT100.

  I have been lucky so far, because the BW Wideband Folded
  Dipole (a resistor with wires) is pretty flat within 1:1.2 over
  all bands if I can believe the antenna bridge.  The Cushcraft
  R8 claims to be the same, but I have no experience with it.

  Putting the LPF between the TX and the tuner was my gut feeling
  and it does makes sense.

 Any low pass filter worth its salt should not create any
 non-linearity -

  It was the KAT100 that I was concerned with for non-linearity.

 but again, if it is not properly terminated, the cutoff frequency
 may not be where you expect it to be.

  How very true.

  Thanks for the feedback.

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Re: [Elecraft] New concept/tool for CW dxing

2008-02-06 Thread Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy
With respect Dan I must agree with Julian G4ILO. As I see it, and to use 
your example, DSP and beams are the weapons used during the hunt, but the 
hunter must also know when to hunt, where to hunt and know how to approach 
the prey, skills gained through experience (apology to any DX who might read 
this!). The weapons can be purchased, but once you start to replace the 
skills with some form of 'automatic' system or crutch I believe that much of 
the appeal in working DX is lost. DX Clusters are bad enough IMHO.


73,
Geoff
GM4ESD
(Who has been hunted)


Romanchik Dan  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


It's all a matter of where you draw the line. This is just more
technology, and technology is **supposed** to make things easier.
Following your line of reasoning, we'd have to disqualify those using
DSP  or beam antennas because it makes DXing harder for those that
don't have them.

73!

Dan KB6NU


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Re: [Elecraft] Key-Out of the K3

2008-02-06 Thread Tom Childers, N5GE
On Wed, 6 Feb 2008 23:07:38 +, you wrote:

I have tried semi-QSK, Mike, but still get the XV144 relay clatter at 
speeds less than about 24wpm.  I can't find in the manual which config 
command I need to change the release delay. Can you point me to it 
please?  I would like to stop the XV144 relays switching between Morse 
elements at 18-20wpm.

73

David G4DMP

Have you looked on page 15 of the Owner's Manual (Rev D, April 11, 2007) under
Transmit-Receive Switching Delay.  Is that helpful to you?

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RE: [Elecraft] New concept/tool for CW dxing

2008-02-06 Thread Thom LaCosta

On Wed, 6 Feb 2008, G4ILO wrote:




I think this is exactly the kind of thing that people are objecting to.
Taking away the work and the element of chance involved in hunting for the
DX removes a lot of the challenge, even if you do still have to work it. And
if the big guns are instantly alerted to the presence of any DX on the band,
it reduces the window of opportunity for the alert, but un-equipped with
this program, little pistols.


But, one needs to consider that for some, the game is all about winning, so any 
tool that allows that is far more important than other measures.


I suspect that as long as there are competitions, there will be folks who 
produce and use tools that give them a competetive advantage.


There may even be folks who stopped feeling the need to collect merit badges for 
their sashes after they ceased being teenagers.


73, k3hrn
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Re: [Elecraft] K3: Issues and Enhancements document

2008-02-06 Thread Thom LaCosta

On Wed, 6 Feb 2008, David Ferrington, M0XDF wrote:


It Elecraft send me their bug / issues list, I will treat it confidential
and put together an agreed (with them) page for the Wiki.


If Elecraft really wanted to have such information posted, they could do it 
themseleves on their web site, or in the wikione one expect that they are 
organized enough to already have an internal list.


Discounting the strawman argument of no time, one could take the position that 
they simply do no want to release the informationwhich is their right, since 
it's their product.


One of the reasons the K3 wiki and forum was started was to allow K3 owners to 
contribute to the overall knowledge base, based on their experience and 
technical interests.


So, if the company doesn't release the information and the users don't post it, 
the community might be thought of as mushrooms...waiting for the next release of 
nutrient.


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[Elecraft] Re: KX-1 antenna help

2008-02-06 Thread Albers
Dohn wrote,

I am wondering what the groups opinions are about the best end fed antenna
lengths would be for taking my newly built KX1 mobile?  


Dohn,

a year or more ago I posted an article reporting my results with a (approx) 50 
foot wire. 

Just re-capping here: I bought a nominally 50 ft roll of speaker wire from 
Radio Shack and un-zipped it to make two wires. When I measured it each wire 
was actually about 51 ft long - though I doubt the exact length is critical. In 
any case, I have used this antenna many times in many locations with very good 
results.  I put one 51 ft length up as high as I can get it, usually as a 
sloper from my operating position to a tree (I usually tie some nylon masons 
twine to a half-filled water bottle and sling it as high as I can over a nearby 
tree) and the other 51 feet is layed along the ground as a counterpoise. 
Direction of the ground wire doesn't seem to matter. The KX-1 ATU does a fine 
job of matching this, and as I said, results have been great. By the way, if 
you're in an upper-story motel/hotel room, it also works to have the antenna 
wire going out the window to a bush in the parking lot (sloping downward) and 
the counterpoise wire just hanging downward from the window to the ground and 
then layed along the ground. I have fond memories of a front desk clerk near 
Hazelton, PA calling up to our 3rd floor room and saying, may I ask what that 
string is that's going from your room window to the parking lot? (I worked 
France with that string)
73
Ray K2HYD
KX-1 #608
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 (yada yada)

2008-02-06 Thread N2EY
In a message dated 2/6/08 10:27:18 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


 The term yada yada became popular after its use in the tv comedy
 show Seinfeld.  

Not that there's anything wrong with that!

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[Elecraft] K3: Noise Reduction in Data Modes

2008-02-06 Thread Tedd Wong
Just trying confirm this.  The noise reduction function does not function while 
in any of the data modes?  When I press NR, I get N/A on the VFO B display.

Regards,

Tedd K6OI
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Re: [Elecraft] K3: computer headset connection

2008-02-06 Thread Dale LeStourgeon

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I'm looking for information on connecting a computer headset's boom mic to the K3 rear mic 
jack.  I've read through the archives, but it seems the messages either refer to making 
connections via the front jack (with its discrete pins available), or just, I plugged 
it in  it worked.  I don't have my K3 yet to test with.  My following questions 
are based on the scenario that just plugging it in doesn't work.

My mic plug is stereo, so I'm assuming its an electret.  The K3's jack is mono, but 
apparently has a bias voltage available via the menu.  I'd like to build a 
dongle (short adapter cable) to interface the mic with the jack.  To preserve 
the headset, I don't want to modify its plug or cable.

Does the bias voltage appear on the tip of the K3's jack?  One archived message indicated 
that at least some computer mics have both the ring  tip connected together; I'm at 
work now  can't test mine.  Would I add a resistor across the tip  ring lines, 
and add a small capacitor in-line from the K3's jack tip to the mic's tip to block DC?

Sorry for what may be a painfully obvious set of questions, but I've never 
connected anything but a regular mic to a rig before.  I plan on using the rear 
jacks to keep unnecessary cables from cluttering up the front of the rig.

73,

Mike
KW1ND 
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Mike,
I could not find out from the manual how the rear mic jack is configured 
( whether bias is on tip or ring) but I just plugged in a computer mic 
and it works fine; and I am using a PTT foot switch. Perhaps it was just 
luck that the computer mic had the same  setup as the K3 mic jack. It 
would still be nice to know how the K3 mic jack is configured for 
tip/ring/sleeve. Getting good audio reports with the computer mic.

Dale
K5AJZ
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Re: [Elecraft] New concept/tool for CW dxing

2008-02-06 Thread Romanchik Dan
Sorry, but I still don't see this program as any different than any  
other technical gadgetry that hams use to increase their scores  
during a contest. But just for argument's sake, and because you  
mentioned skills, how about keyers?? Keyers have taken a lot of the  
skill out of sending CW, no? Shouldn't we outlaw them?


73!

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On Feb 6, 2008, at Feb 6, 6:53 PM, Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy wrote:

With respect Dan I must agree with Julian G4ILO. As I see it, and  
to use your example, DSP and beams are the weapons used during the  
hunt, but the hunter must also know when to hunt, where to hunt and  
know how to approach the prey, skills gained through experience  
(apology to any DX who might read this!). The weapons can be  
purchased, but once you start to replace the skills with some form  
of 'automatic' system or crutch I believe that much of the appeal  
in working DX is lost. DX Clusters are bad enough IMHO.


73,
Geoff
GM4ESD
(Who has been hunted)


Romanchik Dan  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


It's all a matter of where you draw the line. This is just more
technology, and technology is **supposed** to make things easier.
Following your line of reasoning, we'd have to disqualify those using
DSP  or beam antennas because it makes DXing harder for those that
don't have them.

73!

Dan KB6NU





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RE: [Elecraft] K3: computer headset connection

2008-02-06 Thread Greg
The mic jack on the RP is a stereo jack.  You should use a stereo plug with
audio on the tip and ground on the sleeve...nothing on the ring.

73
Greg
AB7R


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Dale LeStourgeon
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 5:23 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: elecraft
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: computer headset connection


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I'm looking for information on connecting a computer headset's boom mic to
the K3 rear mic jack.  I've read through the archives, but it seems the
messages either refer to making connections via the front jack (with its
discrete pins available), or just, I plugged it in  it worked.  I don't
have my K3 yet to test with.  My following questions are based on the
scenario that just plugging it in doesn't work.

 My mic plug is stereo, so I'm assuming its an electret.  The K3's jack is
mono, but apparently has a bias voltage available via the menu.  I'd like to
build a dongle (short adapter cable) to interface the mic with the jack.
To preserve the headset, I don't want to modify its plug or cable.

 Does the bias voltage appear on the tip of the K3's jack?  One archived
message indicated that at least some computer mics have both the ring  tip
connected together; I'm at work now  can't test mine.  Would I add a
resistor across the tip  ring lines, and add a small capacitor in-line from
the K3's jack tip to the mic's tip to block DC?

 Sorry for what may be a painfully obvious set of questions, but I've never
connected anything but a regular mic to a rig before.  I plan on using the
rear jacks to keep unnecessary cables from cluttering up the front of the
rig.

 73,

 Mike
 KW1ND
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Mike,
I could not find out from the manual how the rear mic jack is configured
( whether bias is on tip or ring) but I just plugged in a computer mic
and it works fine; and I am using a PTT foot switch. Perhaps it was just
luck that the computer mic had the same  setup as the K3 mic jack. It
would still be nice to know how the K3 mic jack is configured for
tip/ring/sleeve. Getting good audio reports with the computer mic.
Dale
K5AJZ
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RE: [Elecraft] K3: Noise Reduction in Data Modes

2008-02-06 Thread Greg
That is correct.  NR is not available in data modes.  

73
Greg
AB7R


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Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Noise Reduction in Data Modes


Just trying confirm this.  The noise reduction function does not function while 
in any of the data modes?  When I press NR, I get N/A on the VFO B display.

Regards,

Tedd K6OI
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Re: [Elecraft] K3: computer headset connection

2008-02-06 Thread Dave Martin
On Feb 6, 2008 8:35 PM, Greg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 The mic jack on the RP is a stereo jack.  You should use a stereo plug with
 audio on the tip and ground on the sleeve...nothing on the ring.

 73
 Greg
 AB7R

Roger.  The K3 schematic shows no connection to the ring terminal on
the rear jack.  And the mic bias, if selected, is applied to the line
which connects to the tip.  Seems like a typical sound card has five
volts in the ring, and takes its input from the tip.

Dave  W5DHM
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[Elecraft] OT: THIS is the big deal about CW Skimmer

2008-02-06 Thread DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL
OK...here it is in a nutshell.

1.  CW Skimmer will profoundly change serious-level contesting forever

2.  Serious contesters use two radios at once (called SO2R or single
op, 2 radios).  While they CQ on one band (using a memory
keyer...voice or cw), they TUNE a 2nd band, looking for additional
contacts, using their 2nd radio.  This is very intense contesting and
require super-human concentration and skill to be really successful.
It means that you are constantly switching focus from the Radio A to
Radio B (the switching is automatic, controlled by the contest
software).

3.  Currently, tuning the 2nd band is a manual process, requiring one
to (a) find stations between CQs on the other band, and (b) copy who
it is and (c) then decide if you need it or not and if you do, (d)
work it while not losing your RUN frequency (the first radio
frequency where you are CQing and working guys who answer your CQs).

4.  With CW Skimmer, one no longer has to use their skill to (a) tune
the 2nd band and (b) figure out who it is.  The computer does this for
youand all at once for the whole band.

5.  The entire basis for CONTESTING is competition...a competition of
who has the best set of HUMAN skills...skills at using their
equipment, but mostly skills at copying callsigns and working guys and
tuning a second radio and doing the same.  With CW Skimmer, the
second radio skill is effectively eliminated. The computer does it
for you.  This is VERY FAR from DSP, or a yagi, or an amp, or an
electronic keyer because.  Those things made CHORES easier.  This
thing makes the only human element left (tuning the band and finding
callsign) meaningless.  It eliminates the HUMAN element.  All you need
now is a clerk to point and shoot or point and click whatever you
want to call it.

6.  With this tool, a single op can now be SO6R and have a CW
SKimmer on every band.  Someone will write a script so that
multipliers bubble up as found...and even non-mults, but new Q's, will
be easily flagged (and worked).  YOu wont have to waste time tuning
and copying the callsign of stuff that you already worked.

7.  CW decoders (such as included on Elecraft K3) only copy one
signal, which YOU tuned to.  This thing does the whole band at once.

8.  Yes, it is like an automatic packet/internet band-mapping tool,
except that use of those places one in the Assisted or unlimited
category, separate and apart from single op all band.  Under the
current rules for all contest, the addition of CW Skimmer will NOT
cause a change in category away from Single Op All Band to the
Assisted or Unlimited category.  How could it?  Nobody else is helping
you get the callsigns.

9.  For many, especially those who feel that packet ruined
contesting or that packet ruined DXing, this may turn out to be the
packet ruined contesting of the 21st century.  As many have pointed
out (if you want to read A LOT on this, go to the CQ-Contest
Reflector:  www.contesting.com  ), with this tool, there is
currently no way to tell if the guy has a 2nd op in the shack, is
using packet, or is using CW SKimmer.  It makes adjudication a
nightmare (probably, impossible).

10.  Serious SOAB contesters have long done everything possible to
keep their category separate and apart from packet/internet users.
They want to keep the category pure.  This will make that job very,
very difficult.

Why keep it out?  The same reason sailboat races do not allow
engines/motors.  The same reason why the Daytona 500 does not allow
jet engines to be used.  The same reason why people climb mountains
instead of taking a helicopter.   The same reason why some folks only
Bow-Hunt.

Sorry for the bandwidth, but there seems to be a fair about of
interest in this topic.

Hope this helps paint a clearer picture.

de Doug KR2Q
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Re: [OT] Re: [Elecraft] New concept/tool for CW dxing

2008-02-06 Thread N2EY
In a message dated 2/6/08 4:51:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


 A substantial proportion of people are naturally conservative. They don't 
 react well to things being changed. 
 
 Another substantial proportion of people are naturally progressive. 

I would say change oriented. 

All progress involves change, but all change does not involve progress.
 
 These two forces are in a never-ending circular dance of engagement, even 
 struggle. This is basically the thesis-antithesis-synthesis process of 
 Hegelian dialectic, if you remember your Philosophy 101. If either side, 
 thesis or antithesis, becomes all-powerful, the dialectic process is 
 subverted 
 and things tend to go wrong eventually.

I think there is a third kind of person: the one who is balanced between the 
two forces.

 This is because Nature does have a slight built-in bias in favor of change. 
 
 It's called adaptation. An individual, a species, even life collectively 
 either adapts or eventually becomes extinct. Nothing stays the same forever. 
 
 Stasis is not an option in this universe.
 

I don't think we know anywhere near enough about the Universe to say that.

Some forms of life here on earth have remained unchanged for tens of millions 
of years, if not longer, because they were and are well-adapted. Others have 
changed radically in much shorter times (domesticated animals, for example) 
because it was adaptive to do so.

The laws of nature don't seem to change over time - we assume that they are 
the same since the Big Bang. 

One law of nature that is too often forgotten is the Law of Unintended 
Consequences. When one has run afoul of that Law, one tends to be a little 
cautious.

 This small bit of potentially relevant  philosophy is brought to you as a 
 brief respite from the ravages of taking some things in our wonderful hobby 
 way too seriously. :-)
 
I am seriously tempted to quote the Philosophy Song from Monty Python, but I 
will leave that for the reader to look up.

Instead I will say this:

Contesting and DXing are essentially competitive games many of us hams play 
because we think they are fun. And like any game, most of the rules are 
arbitrary. And it's not life-or-death if a rule is broken, or stretched.

But that does not mean the rukes should not be taken seriously! Just the 
reverse.

---

Some posts back I made a reference to a QST fiction article from 1953 about a 
ham who built a totally automated SS contest station. It was science-fiction 
back then, but not so fictional today. In fact, it may actually be possible 
today. We already have Pactor robots on the ham bands.(not going there!)

What if someone actually built a completely automatic contest station? One 
that could keep pace with the very best contest ops, would never get tired or 
make a mistake, would listen to every band simultaneously and analyze far more 
data than any human could to maximize score, would access an enormous database 
of info, etc., etc. 

Should such a station be allowed to compete in the same entry class with 
stations that actually need an operator?

IOW, where is the line drawn?

73 de Jim, N2EY




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Re: [Elecraft] K3: computer headset connection

2008-02-06 Thread Mike B
Well, interesting.  As Greg suggested, I'll definitely try it before I worry 
about wiring up an adapter.  That was handy of Aptos to use a stereo jack with 
the ring not connected, thus keeping a stereo plug from shorting the ring to 
ground if the jack were mono, and yet allowing a mono plug to also work.


I was trying to get a jump ahead, but I guess I'll just wait a couple more weeks 
and give it a try.


Thanks for the responses.

73,

Mike
KW1ND
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Re: [Elecraft] OT: THIS is the big deal about CW Skimmer

2008-02-06 Thread WA6OCP

In a word, YUCK!

Neal WA6OCP
K3/10/305


DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL wrote:
 
 OK...here it is in a nutshell.
 
 1.  CW Skimmer will profoundly change serious-level contesting forever
 
 2.  Serious contesters use two radios at once (called SO2R or single
 op, 2 radios).  While they CQ on one band (using a memory
 keyer...voice or cw), they TUNE a 2nd band, looking for additional
 contacts, using their 2nd radio.  This is very intense contesting and
 require super-human concentration and skill to be really successful.
 It means that you are constantly switching focus from the Radio A to
 Radio B (the switching is automatic, controlled by the contest
 software).
 
 3.  Currently, tuning the 2nd band is a manual process, requiring one
 to (a) find stations between CQs on the other band, and (b) copy who
 it is and (c) then decide if you need it or not and if you do, (d)
 work it while not losing your RUN frequency (the first radio
 frequency where you are CQing and working guys who answer your CQs).
 
 4.  With CW Skimmer, one no longer has to use their skill to (a) tune
 the 2nd band and (b) figure out who it is.  The computer does this for
 youand all at once for the whole band.
 
 5.  The entire basis for CONTESTING is competition...a competition of
 who has the best set of HUMAN skills...skills at using their
 equipment, but mostly skills at copying callsigns and working guys and
 tuning a second radio and doing the same.  With CW Skimmer, the
 second radio skill is effectively eliminated. The computer does it
 for you.  This is VERY FAR from DSP, or a yagi, or an amp, or an
 electronic keyer because.  Those things made CHORES easier.  This
 thing makes the only human element left (tuning the band and finding
 callsign) meaningless.  It eliminates the HUMAN element.  All you need
 now is a clerk to point and shoot or point and click whatever you
 want to call it.
 
 6.  With this tool, a single op can now be SO6R and have a CW
 SKimmer on every band.  Someone will write a script so that
 multipliers bubble up as found...and even non-mults, but new Q's, will
 be easily flagged (and worked).  YOu wont have to waste time tuning
 and copying the callsign of stuff that you already worked.
 
 7.  CW decoders (such as included on Elecraft K3) only copy one
 signal, which YOU tuned to.  This thing does the whole band at once.
 
 8.  Yes, it is like an automatic packet/internet band-mapping tool,
 except that use of those places one in the Assisted or unlimited
 category, separate and apart from single op all band.  Under the
 current rules for all contest, the addition of CW Skimmer will NOT
 cause a change in category away from Single Op All Band to the
 Assisted or Unlimited category.  How could it?  Nobody else is helping
 you get the callsigns.
 
 9.  For many, especially those who feel that packet ruined
 contesting or that packet ruined DXing, this may turn out to be the
 packet ruined contesting of the 21st century.  As many have pointed
 out (if you want to read A LOT on this, go to the CQ-Contest
 Reflector:  www.contesting.com  ), with this tool, there is
 currently no way to tell if the guy has a 2nd op in the shack, is
 using packet, or is using CW SKimmer.  It makes adjudication a
 nightmare (probably, impossible).
 
 10.  Serious SOAB contesters have long done everything possible to
 keep their category separate and apart from packet/internet users.
 They want to keep the category pure.  This will make that job very,
 very difficult.
 
 Why keep it out?  The same reason sailboat races do not allow
 engines/motors.  The same reason why the Daytona 500 does not allow
 jet engines to be used.  The same reason why people climb mountains
 instead of taking a helicopter.   The same reason why some folks only
 Bow-Hunt.
 
 Sorry for the bandwidth, but there seems to be a fair about of
 interest in this topic.
 
 Hope this helps paint a clearer picture.
 
 de Doug KR2Q
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Re: [Elecraft] OT: THIS is the big deal about CW Skimmer

2008-02-06 Thread Mike S

At 09:05 PM 2/6/2008, DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL wrote...

5.  The entire basis for CONTESTING is competition...a competition of
who has the best set of HUMAN skills...


Hams have (as a whole) always embraced new technology, but there are 
probably some still complaining that heterodynes are unfair competition 
for their spark gaps and crystal receivers.


Then why do you use electronic equipment? Why a K3 and not a Altoids 
tin special? Perhaps smoke signals or shouting would be a better test.




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RE: [Elecraft] OT: THIS is the big deal about CW Skimmer

2008-02-06 Thread W6IZT
All debates aside, Alex VE3NEA cranks out some true amazing software!

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Re: [Elecraft] OT: THIS is the big deal about CW Skimmer

2008-02-06 Thread Thom LaCosta

On Wed, 6 Feb 2008, Mike S wrote:


At 09:05 PM 2/6/2008, DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL wrote...

5.  The entire basis for CONTESTING is competition...a competition of
who has the best set of HUMAN skills...


Hams have (as a whole) always embraced new technology, but there are probably 
some still complaining that heterodynes are unfair competition for their 
spark gaps and crystal receivers.


Soon the qso will read something like:

k3 here, observer is thom.  I know you copy this, so don't bother to answer.  No 
need for signal reports, send electronic QSL.


73 k3hrn
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[Elecraft] OT: Contest Rules and Technology

2008-02-06 Thread WILLIS COOKE
All contests depend on a lot of people wanting to
participate.  The contest organizers all know if the
rules are such that only a few are able and willing to
participate there will be few contacts and no one will
have fun.

We all know that technology will not stop or even slow
down for the sake of contests.  If you want to enter a
contest where only straight keys are allowed, there is
such a contest.  ARRL has Straight Key Night every
year and the SKCC sponsors such contests.  They are
fun and I enter them.

CQ and the ARRL also sponsor some very big contests
and they change the rules as they find necessary to
keep up the entry level.  Large entry levels are the
organizers objective rather than huge scores by a few.
The organizers can and will change the rules so that a
particular piece of software does not ruin the fun for
the masses.  Even the big guns don't want to get rid
of the little pistols and the casual entries who only
want to make a few contacts.  What big gun wants to
enter a contest where he can only contact the other
big guns that he has already worked a dozen times?

I don't know how the problem will be solved, but
contesting has survived SSB, packet clusters, memory
keyers, computer logging and many other advancements
that had a much greater impact than this nice piece of
software.

Cookie, K5EWJ, Little Pistol and designated contest
also entered.
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Re: [Elecraft] OT: THIS is the big deal about CW Skimmer [END of thread]

2008-02-06 Thread Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft
Let's let the CW skimmer discussion rest for now. We've skimmed off all 
the meaningful comments... ;-)


73, Eric   WA6HHQ
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Re: [Elecraft] KPA-100 oscillation problem

2008-02-06 Thread rt_clay
 the K2 to reset and/or show the hi-swr warning. Twice I have managed to blow 
 the 
 microprocessor in the KIO2 attached to this K2! 
 
Meant to say that I have blown the cpu in the KRC2 twice...

Tor
N4OGW 
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Re: [Elecraft] KPA-100 oscillation problem: fixed

2008-02-06 Thread rt_clay
After some more searching through various cures online, I think I have fixed 
it. I added a 300 ohm 2W resistor to the input, that seemed to stop the problem.

Tor
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Re: [Elecraft] New concept/tool for CW dxing

2008-02-06 Thread Alan Bloom
On Wed, 2008-02-06 at 15:53, Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy wrote:
 ... once you start to replace the 
 skills with some form of 'automatic' system or crutch I believe that much of 
 the appeal in working DX is lost. DX Clusters are bad enough IMHO.
 
 73,
 Geoff
 GM4ESD
 (Who has been hunted)

I must admit that I lost interest in DXing when the DX clusters became
popular.  Seems like they devalue operator skill.

Al N1AL


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[Elecraft] See you at the Orlando Hamfest this weekend

2008-02-06 Thread Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft
I'm flying to Orlando tomorrow for the Hamcation hamfest this weekend. I 
hope to see you all at the Elecraft booth!


Feel free to stop by and visit, ask questions or chat with other 
Elecraft enthusiasts (or soon to be enthusiasts..)


73, Eric  WA6HHQ

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