Re: [Elecraft] K3 Froze

2010-09-27 Thread Alan Bloom
Hi David,

If you haven't got it running by now, the key to recovering from this is
to first terminate the K3 Utility program and then cycle power on the K3
while making sure the P3 does not turn on.  (The easiest way to do that
is to pull the power cable on the P3.)  Then fire up K3 Utility again
and you should be able to download firmware to the K3.

There is no need to re-route any RS-232 cables.  The P3 includes a relay
that automatically bypasses it's serial ports when the power is off.

Alan N1AL


On Sat, 2010-09-25 at 15:46 -0700, David Carlson wrote:
 My K3 froze up while downloading in The K3 utility program. The LED shows 
 MCU LD and the red TX light is blinking under the power switch. I can not 
 turn the power off with the power switch. I have to turn off the power 
 supply. The K3 utility program can not communicate with the K3  so I can't 
 reinstall the firmware code, however the P3 utility program can connect. I 
 have tried turning off the K3 and then turning it back on holding the 
 shift/lo button to reset. That does not work. I did download the latest K3 
 utility program.  
 
 Any suggestions?  Thanks 
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Re: [Elecraft] P3: Peak hold question

2010-09-27 Thread Alan Bloom
Hi Craig,

The peak hold has an infinite hold time so it shows the biggest peak
since it was first enabled.  One of the items on the list is a
peak-sag mode where the peak value will not hold indefinitely but will
gradually sag down so that if strong signals go away, it will reset
eventually.

Alan N1AL


On Sat, 2010-09-25 at 17:30 -0700, Craig wrote:
 Hi 
 
 When I run the P3 for an extended period of time of 10 to 15 minutes, it 
 seems that the Peak hold blue/cyan trace resets or freezes.
 
  The peak hold trace goes flatline well above the highest signal peak after a 
 long run. Is this normal behavior ? The peak hold trace might have a buffer 
 that fills up that causes the trace to freeze or reset?
 
 I like leaving the peak hold trace running continuously since the Peak 
 correlates more closely to the S-meter's true reading. My P3 reads -80dbm for 
 a S9(-73dbm) signal input.
 
  I just got my  P3 so might have missed something by not reading the manual 
 properly.
 
 
 
 73
 Craig
 VK3HE
 
 
 
 
   
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Re: [Elecraft] Anyone in Boston area

2010-09-27 Thread Richard S. Lindzen

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[Elecraft] UK Elecraft SSB net

2010-09-27 Thread Ian Maude
Hi all,
Now that conditions have improved, I intend to start the Elecraft net again
from next Sunday, 3rd October 2010.  I will be calling on 3658 +/- QRM and I
hope to hear lots of stations :)

73 Ian
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Re: [Elecraft] [Elecraft_K3] UK Elecraft SSB net

2010-09-27 Thread David Ferrington, M0XDF
What time Ian?
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On 27 Sep 2010, at 09:00, Ian Maude wrote:
 Now that conditions have improved, I intend to start the Elecraft net again 
 from next Sunday, 3rd October 2010.  I will be calling on 3658 +/- QRM and I 
 hope to hear lots of stations :)
 

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Re: [Elecraft] P3: Peak hold question

2010-09-27 Thread Craig
Hi Alan

Thanks for the update and explanation.

When I get this flat peak trace I find no corresponding signal in the waterfall 
display.  

I don't understand how the trace can be driven to such a flat level by a signal 
that does not show on the waterfall. 

I can clearly see all the frequency hoppers and radiosondes on the waterfall 
and peak display. Why  the signal that flat lines  the peak display is not 
displayed on the waterfall is a mystery.

I will investigate further and see if I can photograph the event when it next 
happens. It may be a fast transient  signal from within my own  shack.



73
Craig



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 From: Alan Bloom n...@cds1.net
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3: Peak hold question
 To: Craig vk...@yahoo.com
 Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Date: Monday, September 27, 2010, 2:07 AM
 Hi Craig,
 
 The peak hold has an infinite hold time so it shows the
 biggest peak
 since it was first enabled.  One of the items on the
 list is a
 peak-sag mode where the peak value will not hold
 indefinitely but will
 gradually sag down so that if strong signals go away, it
 will reset
 eventually.
 
 Alan N1AL
 
 
 On Sat, 2010-09-25 at 17:30 -0700, Craig wrote:
  Hi 
  
  When I run the P3 for an extended period of time of 10
 to 15 minutes, it seems that the Peak hold blue/cyan trace
 resets or freezes.
  
   The peak hold trace goes flatline well above the
 highest signal peak after a long run. Is this normal
 behavior ? The peak hold trace might have a buffer that
 fills up that causes the trace to freeze or reset?
  
  I like leaving the peak hold trace running
 continuously since the Peak correlates more closely to the
 S-meter's true reading. My P3 reads -80dbm for a S9(-73dbm)
 signal input.
  
   I just got my  P3 so might have missed
 something by not reading the manual properly.
  
  
  
  73
  Craig
  VK3HE
  
  
  
  
        
 
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Re: [Elecraft] [Elecraft_K3] UK Elecraft SSB net

2010-09-27 Thread Ian Maude
Oops, I knew I would forget something :)  I will call at 09:00 local time
(08:00z)

73 Ian
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On 27 September 2010 09:27, David Ferrington, M0XDF
m0...@alphadene.co.ukwrote:

 What time Ian?
 --
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 -Elsa Schiaparelli, fashion designer (1890-1973)

 On 27 Sep 2010, at 09:00, Ian Maude wrote:
  Now that conditions have improved, I intend to start the Elecraft net
 again from next Sunday, 3rd October 2010.  I will be calling on 3658 +/- QRM
 and I hope to hear lots of stations :)
 

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Re: [Elecraft] K1 80/40 tx problem

2010-09-27 Thread Igor Lána
Hello Don,
thank you for advice.

I check L9 and L10 again a it looks like good 
(http://ok1tgi.nagano.cz/obrazky/K1/L9_L10.jpg) - 28 turns.
I check all condensators on FB for 80m band and everything is OK.

I made new measuring.
I removed out the DRV-ground jumper and checked waveshapes on DRV and PA 
pads.
Power supply 13,8V/3.5A, output power 0.1W, dummy load 15W Nagoya 0-500MHz.
Oscilloscop Createc SC-03, 9MHz
Current was 0,45A on 40m, 0,98A on 80m.

DRV 7MHz (150ns, 1V): http://ok1tgi.nagano.cz/obrazky/K1/DRV_7MHz.jpg
DRV 3.5MHz (150ns, 2V): http://ok1tgi.nagano.cz/obrazky/K1/DRV_3MHz.jpg
PA 7MHz (150ns, 5V): http://ok1tgi.nagano.cz/obrazky/K1/PA_7MHz.jpg
PA 3.5MHz (150ns, 20V): http://ok1tgi.nagano.cz/obrazky/K1/PA_3MHz.jpg

Yes, there isn't little bit nice sinusoid. But bigger surprise was measuring 
in multimetr mode.

DRV 7MHz = 650mV rms: http://ok1tgi.nagano.cz/obrazky/K1/DRV_7MHz_mm.jpg
PA 7MHz = 3.6V : http://ok1tgi.nagano.cz/obrazky/K1/PA_7MHz_mm.jpg
DRV 3.5MHz = 1V (?!): http://ok1tgi.nagano.cz/obrazky/K1/DRV_3MHz_mm.jpg
PA 3.5MHz = 14.9V (!!): http://ok1tgi.nagano.cz/obrazky/K1/PA_3MHz_mm.jpg

This is strange values, isn't it ?

But the biggest mystery - see lowest line on PA 3.5 MHz multimetr PA 
measuring - there is 7.177 MHz !!!
I also made short checking with better oscilloscop (200MHz) at work on 
friday. And it showed me the same problem. But I didn't have dummy load and 
I thought that is the reason.

Is the PA over-drived ? Does it work in class C correctly ?

I checked POWER signal on pin 6, connector J1
RX 2.2 V for both bands. TX 3.5MHz = 2.94V DC, 7Mhz = 3.17V DC.

L1-L8 are adjusted for the best RX. Attemps in TX are complicated. On 80m I 
can't setup higer otput that 0.5 W because current is too high. On 40m I can 
adjust maximum 1W output with 2.0 menu level.

Now I don't have any ideas.

Igor OK1TGI

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From: Don Wilhelm w3...@embarqmail.com
To: Igor Lána ok1...@seznam.cz
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 7:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K1 80/40 tx problem


  Igor,

 The waveshapes are normal.  They will not be anything like a sine wave 
 coming out of a mixer, but the fundemental RF voltage is still present, so 
 the waveform will be cleaned up by the bandpass filters and the PA Low 
 Pass Filter.

 Since you have excessive current draw, the first place to look is the Low 
 Pass Filter on the 2 band board.  Are the capacitors correct?  Are the 
 number of turns on the toroids correct?  Count the turns carefully, 
 counting each turn that goes through the center of the core - a straight 
 wire through a toroid is one turn, a full wrap around the core is two 
 turns.  Failure to realize that fact is a common builder error.

 73,
 Don W3FPR

 On 9/26/2010 12:06 PM, Igor Lána wrote:
 Hello friends,
 I built a kit K1 80/40. Everything was no problem. All values of 
 resistors
 and DC voltages were OK. But in chapter 9, part Band 1 Allignment,
 transistor Q7 has been melted (2W at 80 m band).
 I changed it and after that I measured current -  0.1 W on 3.6 MHz 
 current
 is 1.1A! On 7 MHz, is slightly better - 0.1W  is 0.4 A but the 2W is 1.3 
 A.
 After several attempts to find mistake, I tried to use the Signal
 Transmitter tracing with DRV-ground jumper. Instead of RF Probe  I used 
 the
 old oscilloscop in multimetr mode. I performed the measurements to the 
 point
 15. All values looked like okay, but from the point 10, I watched the
 unstability.
 I switched oscilloscop to the measurement curve mode. And on OSC it is 
 not
 pure sine wave. The point of MIX has been very vibrant.  ATTN is clean. I 
 do
 not know if  the problem is on 6-7 intputs U8 or output 4.
 Please, see videos of measuring on youtube.
 ociloscop 150ns time raster: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYTOw9DWfKI
 ociloscop 50ns time raster: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mUunLQdBuU
 ociloscop-multimeter: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFaKCssXsA
 In every video first part is on ATTN, second on OSC, and the third on 
 MIX.

 Please, do you have some recommendations how or where to find the error?
 Can Xtal X6 defective?

 Thanks
 73 Igor OK1TGI

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[Elecraft] P3 feature wish list: Decoded morse code displayed on P3

2010-09-27 Thread Michael van Hauten
it would be a great advantage to show  decoded CW  and Rtty text on the P3 
display instead of the very small K3.
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Re: [Elecraft] TenTec Hamfest

2010-09-27 Thread Julius Fazekas n2wn

There were a few Elecraft folks in attendance, I'm sure I missed a few too.

Did have a number of comments as to how brave I was wearing my K3 Tee Shirt
in the flea market ;o)

On noticed one K2 for sale...

72/3,
Julius
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[Elecraft] K2 encoder question

2010-09-27 Thread zendoc

Hello All,

Just got to the stage of completing the FP of K2 #6998. I'm wondering how much
resistance in turning the encoder shaft is normal on the K2?  Even without the
felt washer, there is quite a bit of friction turning the shaft of my encoder -
it's very smooth, but there's no way I could spin it very much.  If I give it
a flick (hard), the VFO knob will turn maybe 3/4 of a turn at the most.

This is much stiffer than, say my IC746pro encoder knob which I'm used to, so
I'm just wondering what's normal for the K2 encoder.  I saw a video on You Tube
of a guy with a K2 and he was having no trouble spinning up and down the band
with a few revolutions per flick of the VFO knob, but he had a different knob to
the stock K2, so maybe that makes a difference too.

Just wondering.

Thanks,
John
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[Elecraft] [K2] K2NB noise blanker performance testing

2010-09-27 Thread Douglas Furton
Can anyone suggest a controlled set of tests that might verify if a K2NB module 
is working properly?

I built and installed a K2NB for my K2 sometime ago and whether or not the 
module performs properly has always nagged at me -- especially since there is 
something in my neighborhood that now and then emits considerably RF noise that 
splashes across a wide range of frequencies.  The noise sounds just like 
broad-band ignition/pulse noise, the type of noise a noise blanker should 
effectively blank.  But my K2NB module doesn't seem to be able to get it, even 
though NBers on a couple other of my rigs zap it effectively.

There are two possibilities: either I did not build my K2NB quite properly 
(because it does seem to limp along and blank some noise in certain 
circumstances), or the K2NB doesn't quite live up to its billing as a high 
performance noise blanker.

I'm interested in running some sort of objective test that is able to discern 
if my K2NB is working up to spec.  

Doug
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Re: [Elecraft] TenTec Hamfest

2010-09-27 Thread N1JM

Anyone look at their new radio?
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Re: [Elecraft] TenTec Hamfest

2010-09-27 Thread Ignacy

Their Eagle is small (like K2) with few buttons in front and few connectors
in back. No SPLT button, no rx ant. 7lb with all the options.   First IF at
9 Mhz with 2.4K standard and two empty slots, and 2nd IF with DSP.  Around
$1800 with no ant tuner and $2k with a tuner.

It seems that they are finding a  niche in simplicity.

If it performs well, there radio may be good for simple Dxpeditions where
small size and dimensions matter, and one does not want to carry a separate
tuner. 

Very nice flea market, with lots of good stuff at good prices.

Friendly Tentec staff. A knob in my TT238 broke. They gave me two free.

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Re: [Elecraft] [K2] K2NB noise blanker performance testing

2010-09-27 Thread Don Wilhelm
  Doug,

One way to check the operation of the KNB2 is to turn on the preamp and 
tap on the side of Q21 with a metallic screwdriver.  Turn the NB on and 
the clicks produced should be significantly reduced.  If not, try 
changing the threshold and check again.

The K2 NB works great on sharp impulse noise like ignition noise from a 
gasoline engine, but it will not do much with the slower rise time noise 
from a diesel engine, although the two sound similar to some ears.

If the KNB2 is working, but not effective on the noise you have, you can 
try increasing the value of C11.  Try tacking an additional .001 
capacitor to the leads of C11 on the bottom of the board.  Be aware that 
too large a capacitor at C11 will punch holes in the IF stream which 
will lead to signal distortion when the width of the 'holes' is great 
enough.  You are free to experiment within those constraints. (C11, and 
for NB2 C12, control the width of the hole placed in the signal path).

73,
Don W3FPR

On 9/27/2010 8:16 AM, Douglas Furton wrote:
 Can anyone suggest a controlled set of tests that might verify if a K2NB 
 module is working properly?

 I built and installed a K2NB for my K2 sometime ago and whether or not the 
 module performs properly has always nagged at me -- especially since there is 
 something in my neighborhood that now and then emits considerably RF noise 
 that splashes across a wide range of frequencies.  The noise sounds just like 
 broad-band ignition/pulse noise, the type of noise a noise blanker should 
 effectively blank.  But my K2NB module doesn't seem to be able to get it, 
 even though NBers on a couple other of my rigs zap it effectively.

 There are two possibilities: either I did not build my K2NB quite properly 
 (because it does seem to limp along and blank some noise in certain 
 circumstances), or the K2NB doesn't quite live up to its billing as a high 
 performance noise blanker.

 I'm interested in running some sort of objective test that is able to discern 
 if my K2NB is working up to spec.

 Doug
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Re: [Elecraft] TenTec Hamfest

2010-09-27 Thread Jon K Hellan
Ignacy wrote:
 Their Eagle is small (like K2) with few buttons in front and few connectors
 in back.

The computer connection is USB, and there's a 7 pin DIN accessories connector.
The USB socket is type A (as on printers), not type B (as on all of the dozen 
of unused USB cables you
probably have lying around.)

Jon LA4RT, Trondheim, Norway
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Re: [Elecraft] K1 80/40 tx problem

2010-09-27 Thread Don Wilhelm
  Igor,

Given the high RF voltage at the PA on 3.5 MHz, you may have an open Low 
Pass Filter - check for continuity on the 2 band board from P3 pin 1 to 
P3 pin 8 for both bands.  If one or both are open, you have a poorly 
tinned toroid lead.

If that is not the problem, you may want to get supp...@elecraft.com 
involved.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 9/27/2010 6:39 AM, Igor Lána wrote:
 Hello Don,
 thank you for advice.

 I check L9 and L10 again a it looks like good
 (http://ok1tgi.nagano.cz/obrazky/K1/L9_L10.jpg) - 28 turns.
 I check all condensators on FB for 80m band and everything is OK.

 I made new measuring.
 I removed out the DRV-ground jumper and checked waveshapes on DRV and PA
 pads.
 Power supply 13,8V/3.5A, output power 0.1W, dummy load 15W Nagoya 0-500MHz.
 Oscilloscop Createc SC-03, 9MHz
 Current was 0,45A on 40m, 0,98A on 80m.

 DRV 7MHz (150ns, 1V): http://ok1tgi.nagano.cz/obrazky/K1/DRV_7MHz.jpg
 DRV 3.5MHz (150ns, 2V): http://ok1tgi.nagano.cz/obrazky/K1/DRV_3MHz.jpg
 PA 7MHz (150ns, 5V): http://ok1tgi.nagano.cz/obrazky/K1/PA_7MHz.jpg
 PA 3.5MHz (150ns, 20V): http://ok1tgi.nagano.cz/obrazky/K1/PA_3MHz.jpg

 Yes, there isn't little bit nice sinusoid. But bigger surprise was measuring
 in multimetr mode.

 DRV 7MHz = 650mV rms: http://ok1tgi.nagano.cz/obrazky/K1/DRV_7MHz_mm.jpg
 PA 7MHz = 3.6V : http://ok1tgi.nagano.cz/obrazky/K1/PA_7MHz_mm.jpg
 DRV 3.5MHz = 1V (?!): http://ok1tgi.nagano.cz/obrazky/K1/DRV_3MHz_mm.jpg
 PA 3.5MHz = 14.9V (!!): http://ok1tgi.nagano.cz/obrazky/K1/PA_3MHz_mm.jpg

 This is strange values, isn't it ?

 But the biggest mystery - see lowest line on PA 3.5 MHz multimetr PA
 measuring - there is 7.177 MHz !!!
 I also made short checking with better oscilloscop (200MHz) at work on
 friday. And it showed me the same problem. But I didn't have dummy load and
 I thought that is the reason.

 Is the PA over-drived ? Does it work in class C correctly ?

 I checked POWER signal on pin 6, connector J1
 RX 2.2 V for both bands. TX 3.5MHz = 2.94V DC, 7Mhz = 3.17V DC.

 L1-L8 are adjusted for the best RX. Attemps in TX are complicated. On 80m I
 can't setup higer otput that 0.5 W because current is too high. On 40m I can
 adjust maximum 1W output with 2.0 menu level.

 Now I don't have any ideas.

 Igor OK1TGI

 - Original Message -
 From: Don Wilhelmw3...@embarqmail.com
 To: Igor Lánaok1...@seznam.cz
 Cc:elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 7:33 PM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K1 80/40 tx problem


   Igor,

 The waveshapes are normal.  They will not be anything like a sine wave
 coming out of a mixer, but the fundemental RF voltage is still present, so
 the waveform will be cleaned up by the bandpass filters and the PA Low
 Pass Filter.

 Since you have excessive current draw, the first place to look is the Low
 Pass Filter on the 2 band board.  Are the capacitors correct?  Are the
 number of turns on the toroids correct?  Count the turns carefully,
 counting each turn that goes through the center of the core - a straight
 wire through a toroid is one turn, a full wrap around the core is two
 turns.  Failure to realize that fact is a common builder error.

 73,
 Don W3FPR

 On 9/26/2010 12:06 PM, Igor Lána wrote:
 Hello friends,
 I built a kit K1 80/40. Everything was no problem. All values of
 resistors
 and DC voltages were OK. But in chapter 9, part Band 1 Allignment,
 transistor Q7 has been melted (2W at 80 m band).
 I changed it and after that I measured current -  0.1 W on 3.6 MHz
 current
 is 1.1A! On 7 MHz, is slightly better - 0.1W  is 0.4 A but the 2W is 1.3
 A.
 After several attempts to find mistake, I tried to use the Signal
 Transmitter tracing with DRV-ground jumper. Instead of RF Probe  I used
 the
 old oscilloscop in multimetr mode. I performed the measurements to the
 point
 15. All values looked like okay, but from the point 10, I watched the
 unstability.
 I switched oscilloscop to the measurement curve mode. And on OSC it is
 not
 pure sine wave. The point of MIX has been very vibrant.  ATTN is clean. I
 do
 not know if  the problem is on 6-7 intputs U8 or output 4.
 Please, see videos of measuring on youtube.
 ociloscop 150ns time raster: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYTOw9DWfKI
 ociloscop 50ns time raster: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mUunLQdBuU
 ociloscop-multimeter: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFaKCssXsA
 In every video first part is on ATTN, second on OSC, and the third on
 MIX.

 Please, do you have some recommendations how or where to find the error?
 Can Xtal X6 defective?

 Thanks
 73 Igor OK1TGI

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[Elecraft] KRX3

2010-09-27 Thread Mike Weir

Good morning all,
I have successfully installed the KRX3 in my K3 I now beginning the calibration 
procedures.  First it is the synthesizer, I entered CONFIG:VCO MD the only two 
parameters I can find are Nor 41 and RF 127. Any more rotation of the vfo knob 
changes the RF setting. I believe I am not able to find the CAL parameter as I 
have not set TECH MD to ON. But in rotating the VFO and changing some settings 
in either NOR or RF are these saved or does the rig have to be in TECH MD ON 
first? If they are saved does this mean I have to redo the synthesizer cal 
procedure for the K3 again?
Mike 
VE3WDM
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Re: [Elecraft] K2 encoder question

2010-09-27 Thread Don Wilhelm
  John,

The K2 encoder should be quite smooth and free.  It would be normal 
without the felt washer for the knob to spin at least two revolutions 
with a hard 'flick'.  In the early days of the K2, some who adjusted 
their knob with no tension on the felt washer would see their dial 
reading drift with light taps on the desk or enclosure because of a 
slight imbalance in the knob geometry - I mention this only as an 
example of the smoothness of the encoder.

If yours is as tight as you indicate, I would contact pa...@elecraft.com 
about a possible replacement.  Since it is the single most expensive 
part in the K2, they may want to ask some questions first.

As a side note, normally the proper amount of pressure between the knob 
and felt washer can be achieved by letting the knob drop onto the shaft 
of its own weight and then tighten the setscrews.

73,
Don W3FPR


On 9/27/2010 8:12 AM, zen...@netspace.net.au wrote:
 Hello All,

 Just got to the stage of completing the FP of K2 #6998. I'm wondering how much
 resistance in turning the encoder shaft is normal on the K2?  Even without 
 the
 felt washer, there is quite a bit of friction turning the shaft of my encoder 
 -
 it's very smooth, but there's no way I could spin it very much.  If I give 
 it
 a flick (hard), the VFO knob will turn maybe 3/4 of a turn at the most.

 This is much stiffer than, say my IC746pro encoder knob which I'm used to, 
 so
 I'm just wondering what's normal for the K2 encoder.  I saw a video on You 
 Tube
 of a guy with a K2 and he was having no trouble spinning up and down the band
 with a few revolutions per flick of the VFO knob, but he had a different knob 
 to
 the stock K2, so maybe that makes a difference too.

 Just wondering.

 Thanks,
 John
 VK7JB



 
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Re: [Elecraft] KRX3

2010-09-27 Thread Don Wilhelm
  Mike,

Yes, you will have to set TECH MD to ON as indicated in the manual.  Set 
the VCO MD to CAL and SUB and exit the menu, the operation is 
automatic.  The values you see are the result of the calibration.
You may turn TECH MD off after you finish the calibrations.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 9/27/2010 9:45 AM, Mike Weir wrote:
 Good morning all,
 I have successfully installed the KRX3 in my K3 I now beginning the 
 calibration procedures.  First it is the synthesizer, I entered CONFIG:VCO MD 
 the only two parameters I can find are Nor 41 and RF 127. Any more rotation 
 of the vfo knob changes the RF setting. I believe I am not able to find the 
 CAL parameter as I have not set TECH MD to ON. But in rotating the VFO and 
 changing some settings in either NOR or RF are these saved or does the rig 
 have to be in TECH MD ON first? If they are saved does this mean I have to 
 redo the synthesizer cal procedure for the K3 again?
 Mike
 VE3WDM
 http://ve3wdm.blogspot.com

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Re: [Elecraft] KRX3

2010-09-27 Thread VE3WDM

Don'
 Have I changed any of the synthesizer settings when I rotated the VFO knob
earlier and changed the RF settings. I was not sure if I also changed the
NOR setting in this menu either? But I hope with the MD setting to off
nothing was changed. 
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Re: [Elecraft] TenTec Hamfest

2010-09-27 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV

  No SPLT button, no rx ant. 7lb with all the options.

   snip

  If it performs well, there radio may be good for simple Dxpeditions
  where small size and dimensions matter, and one does not want to
  carry a separate tuner.

With no split and without a separate receive antenna it will be
useless for any significant DXpedition.

73,

... Joe, W4TV


On 9/27/2010 9:28 AM, Ignacy wrote:

 Their Eagle is small (like K2) with few buttons in front and few connectors
 in back. No SPLT button, no rx ant. 7lb with all the options.   First IF at
 9 Mhz with 2.4K standard and two empty slots, and 2nd IF with DSP.  Around
 $1800 with no ant tuner and $2k with a tuner.

 It seems that they are finding a  niche in simplicity.

 If it performs well, there radio may be good for simple Dxpeditions where
 small size and dimensions matter, and one does not want to carry a separate
 tuner.

 Very nice flea market, with lots of good stuff at good prices.

 Friendly Tentec staff. A knob in my TT238 broke. They gave me two free.

 Ignacy
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[Elecraft] P3 Markers for contest tuning

2010-09-27 Thread Jim Miller KG0KP
Using the P3 in the RTTY contest this weekend, I was losing the marker in 
the upper display and wonder if the tails on the marker could be extended 
DOWN into the waterfall area as it is a relatively stable display and it 
would be much easier to tune the K3 signal to the marker.  The marker will 
be right on the signal in the waterfall instead of half a screen away from 
the peaks you are trying to align to.  If we cannot place the markers in the 
waterfall area, maybe a tiny gap area could be configured at the bottom of 
the signal display area for the markers (or just the tails) if used.

The P3 is a huge advantage to Search and pounce tuning.  I can now leave the 
bandwidth set at the width of the RTTY signal and tune it in using only the 
P3.  Previously I was cranking the width wide and tuning slowly and then 
narrow to work the station.  Much concern about breaking the knob in the 
heat of battle.  Now I used the span set at about 4k and it was easy to tune 
every signal and can see where the signal was even if it has stopped during 
your tune time and set by the waterfall (and possibly touch up when he comes 
back).  I got very good at it quickly.

TIA es 73, de Jim KG0KP 


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Re: [Elecraft] KRX3

2010-09-27 Thread Don Wilhelm
  Mike,

Read the manual menu chart of menu explanations and you will discover 
better than I can tell you.
If you set it back to NOR 127, then exit the menu and change bands, it 
will be restored to the prior settings.

Since the calibration is more or less automatic, I see no problem in 
re-doing the calibration, so (in TECH MODE) set it to CAL and exit the 
menu - it will be done.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 9/27/2010 10:02 AM, VE3WDM wrote:
 Don'
   Have I changed any of the synthesizer settings when I rotated the VFO knob
 earlier and changed the RF settings. I was not sure if I also changed the
 NOR setting in this menu either? But I hope with the MD setting to off
 nothing was changed.
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Re: [Elecraft] TenTec Hamfest

2010-09-27 Thread Bob Cunnings
The 599 does have a SPLIT function. According  to the Eagle manual:

To operate SPLIT mode simply press and
hold the A/B button for 2 seconds. The word
SPLIT will appear next to the B VFO which
also indicates the frequency you will be
transmitting on. Remember when in SPLIT
mode you will always be transmitting on
VFO B.

Bob NW8L

On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 8:21 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV li...@subich.com wrote:

   No SPLT button, no rx ant. 7lb with all the options.

   snip

   If it performs well, there radio may be good for simple Dxpeditions
   where small size and dimensions matter, and one does not want to
   carry a separate tuner.

 With no split and without a separate receive antenna it will be
 useless for any significant DXpedition.

 73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


 On 9/27/2010 9:28 AM, Ignacy wrote:

 Their Eagle is small (like K2) with few buttons in front and few connectors
 in back. No SPLT button, no rx ant. 7lb with all the options.   First IF at
 9 Mhz with 2.4K standard and two empty slots, and 2nd IF with DSP.  Around
 $1800 with no ant tuner and $2k with a tuner.

 It seems that they are finding a  niche in simplicity.

 If it performs well, there radio may be good for simple Dxpeditions where
 small size and dimensions matter, and one does not want to carry a separate
 tuner.

 Very nice flea market, with lots of good stuff at good prices.

 Friendly Tentec staff. A knob in my TT238 broke. They gave me two free.

 Ignacy
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Re: [Elecraft] KRX3

2010-09-27 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
I wonder if Mike was having trouble finding the rf cal position.  That
should be found by turning the VFO A knob CLOCKWISE from the NOR setting
that you find it on when you select VCO MD in the config menu.73, Guy.

On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 10:32 AM, Don Wilhelm w3...@embarqmail.com wrote:

  Mike,

 Read the manual menu chart of menu explanations and you will discover
 better than I can tell you.
 If you set it back to NOR 127, then exit the menu and change bands, it
 will be restored to the prior settings.

 Since the calibration is more or less automatic, I see no problem in
 re-doing the calibration, so (in TECH MODE) set it to CAL and exit the
 menu - it will be done.

 73,
 Don W3FPR

 On 9/27/2010 10:02 AM, VE3WDM wrote:
  Don'
Have I changed any of the synthesizer settings when I rotated the VFO
 knob
  earlier and changed the RF settings. I was not sure if I also changed the
  NOR setting in this menu either? But I hope with the MD setting to off
  nothing was changed.
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[Elecraft] K3 RTTY tuning indicator -suggestion

2010-09-27 Thread Brian Alsop
Over the years I've used all kinds of RTTY programs and tuning indicators.

The best graphics display seems to be the FFT spectrum display where one 
centers the two peaks on mark and space lines.

Lacking graphics, I'd like to suggest for bar graph type tuning that 
the K3 provide only a single bar.  Once that bar is centered under the 
CWT arrow, you're tuned.  No ambiguity of the multibar display.  The 
span of the bars display ought to allow for the closest neighboring bars 
to be +/- 10 Hz.  Bars further away can be larger deltas.

I really don't use the K3 tuning indicator much, the RTTY software 
package and hardware display all are single bar type.

73 de Brian/K3KO
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Re: [Elecraft] TenTec Hamfest

2010-09-27 Thread Bob Cunnings
What I noticed was missing is a dedicated RIT *knob*. The RIT function
exists, but as a secondary function, requiring two button presses to
set it up. According to the manual:

RIT (22)
The receiver integrated tuning can be selected
as a secondary button function by pressing
FNC and then the MOD button. You will
notice RIT will begin to flash on the front
panel and you may now adjust the receiver in
10 Hz increments up or down frequency
using the MULTI knob. To zero out the RIT
simply press and hold the MOD button and
the display will zero out. To exit simply
press the FNC button

Bob NW8L

On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 7:28 AM, Ignacy n...@arrl.net wrote:

 Their Eagle is small (like K2) with few buttons in front and few connectors
 in back. No SPLT button, no rx ant. 7lb with all the options.   First IF at
 9 Mhz with 2.4K standard and two empty slots, and 2nd IF with DSP.  Around
 $1800 with no ant tuner and $2k with a tuner.

 It seems that they are finding a  niche in simplicity.

 If it performs well, there radio may be good for simple Dxpeditions where
 small size and dimensions matter, and one does not want to carry a separate
 tuner.

 Very nice flea market, with lots of good stuff at good prices.

 Friendly Tentec staff. A knob in my TT238 broke. They gave me two free.

 Ignacy
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[Elecraft] Invitation to connect on LinkedIn

2010-09-27 Thread H Cary
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Re: [Elecraft] TenTec Hamfest

2010-09-27 Thread Steve Ellington
I used the Eagle while there for one cw QSO while at the hamfest. The keying 
relay was loud enough to be heard above the crowd which was a deal breaker 
for me. Otherwise it was similar to using the Jupiter but with better 
filtering.  Anyway. Here's the link to all the information.
http://www.tentec.com/?id=360
It will compete with Kenwoods TS-590, same price.  Here's the link:
http://www.kenwoodusa.com/UserFiles/File/UnitedStates/Communications/AMA/Brochures/TS-590.pdf

Make your own decision.

Steve

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[Elecraft] RF Gain Calibration Error

2010-09-27 Thread Raymond METZGER
Hi Jim,

I just read your various emails regarding your RF gain calibration
experience, as well as the replies on the Reflector.
I faced beginning of September a similar problem, except that I didn't get
the huge blast in the headset (24 ohms) : aborted SubRx gain calibration
with a message telling that the DSP was not responding.
No problem with the calibration of the main receiver. My firmware version
was 4.05 and I used the same K3 utility as you.
I repeated several times the same procedure and, after 4 - 5 trials, the RF
calibration of the SubRx succeeded.

Interested to know if you have resolved this problem in the meantime

73 de Raymond, F4FNT
K3/100 #0615, K2/100 #5,636




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Re: [Elecraft] TenTec Hamfest

2010-09-27 Thread Ronald Hall
The Ten Ten information sheet lists dual VFO's and SPLIT operation.
Can be seen on their web site.

73  Ron  KP2N


--- On Mon, 9/27/10, Joe Subich, W4TV li...@subich.com wrote:

From: Joe Subich, W4TV li...@subich.com
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] TenTec Hamfest
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Date: Monday, September 27, 2010, 10:21 AM


  No SPLT button, no rx ant. 7lb with all the options.

   snip

  If it performs well, there radio may be good for simple Dxpeditions
  where small size and dimensions matter, and one does not want to
  carry a separate tuner.

With no split and without a separate receive antenna it will be
useless for any significant DXpedition.

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 9/27/2010 9:28 AM, Ignacy wrote:

 Their Eagle is small (like K2) with few buttons in front and few connectors
 in back. No SPLT button, no rx ant. 7lb with all the options.   First IF at
 9 Mhz with 2.4K standard and two empty slots, and 2nd IF with DSP.  Around
 $1800 with no ant tuner and $2k with a tuner.

 It seems that they are finding a  niche in simplicity.

 If it performs well, there radio may be good for simple Dxpeditions where
 small size and dimensions matter, and one does not want to carry a separate
 tuner.

 Very nice flea market, with lots of good stuff at good prices.

 Friendly Tentec staff. A knob in my TT238 broke. They gave me two free.

 Ignacy
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Re: [Elecraft] TenTec Hamfest

2010-09-27 Thread Ignacy

I looked at the docs again. No built-in speech processor. This is a deal
breaker for me.  They are selling the external one, but it is another box
and an expense.  Perhaps some options will come later with refined software. 

Not sure why are they marketing their external speech processor to advanced
radios. The internal RF processors can be done more efficiently and inside
the ALC loop.  
Ignacy
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Re: [Elecraft] TenTec Hamfest

2010-09-27 Thread Barry N1EU

Looks like the TT Eagle has some real tough competition in the TS-590.

Personally, I think TT's goal with the Eagle is to field test the bones of
their new hf architecture that we will see down the road in a full-featured
dual rx Orion III or whatever they will call it.

73, Barry N1EU
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[Elecraft] K3 + P3

2010-09-27 Thread John Lyon
  Hi all,

Can someone please enlighten me about how MKR A 
and MKR B work in the P3? My software in both 
units is current.

I've just turned on the K3 and P3. VFO A is on 
20m, and VFO B is on 40m. On page 6 of the manual, 
it says that MKR A controls VFO A, and MKR B 
controls VFO B. But I haven't turned MKR A on yet, 
so the display shows the center freq display for 
20m without a marker.

Now I tap the MKR A button, and the cyan marker 
comes on. Fine so far, and MKR A allows me to QSY 
by tuning and tapping the rotary knob.

Then I tap the A/B button on the K3. The rig 
shifts to 40m display, and the marker remains 
cyan. What I expected was, since MKR B controls 
VFO B, there would be no marker because I haven't 
activated MKR B. And I didn't expect to see MKR A 
at all because this is VFO B.

Sometimes when I have changed bands, and moved the 
marker to QSY, it takes two taps of the rotary 
knob before the frequency is changed, other times 
only once. And sometimes the marker frequency 
changes to the new band freq and sometimes not.

What I'm saying is I am continually surprised at 
how the markers work, but I can't figure out the 
pattern. To me, any function should be consistent 
and repeatable, so I'm missing something very 
basic. When I asked support how the markers are 
supposed to work, all they said was read the 
manual. That's what got me in trouble in the first 
place.

So enlighten me, ye Marker Gods who have figured 
this out. I can't figger the logic.

73,

John W9LHG




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[Elecraft] OT--Ten-Tec Eagle

2010-09-27 Thread w7aqk
Hi all,

I downloaded the manual for the new Eagle.  I've always been a Ten-Tec 
fan, but the fact that I sold my Orion II says something about what I 
think of the way they have been designing stuff for a while now.

Anyway, I got only about 3 pages into the manual, and I knew I would 
probably hate the radio.  If you just look at how you adjust power you 
will see one of my biggest beefs with Ten-Tec design.  It's the old 
multi-pot thing (like on the Orion) all over again.  I guess Ten-Tec 
wasn't impressed with anything I ever said critically about their 
process.  To change power, you have to push a function key, then hit 
tune, then adjust power with a control.  Compare that to the the K3 or 
K2, which is one control, and right on the front panel.  I haven't even 
gotten to how you adjust CW keyer speed, but I bet it's the same 
laborious process.

It's one thing to want to make a radio simple, with only a few controls, 
but burying adjustments in multi-step processes like this are not making 
a radio simple in my view!

The new Eagle trumps the K2 in only a couple of instances, based on my 
cursory review--it is 100 watts without an added accessory, and it 
covers 6 meters out of the box.  I won't even go into how the K2 trumps 
the Eagle.

A K3 would be clearly superior, and for only a small price difference to 
add the 100 watt amp and a couple of filters.  Well, maybe not a really 
small difference, but small enough, considering what you get.

We'll have to actually see and hear the Eagle in action to really be 
able to evaluate it, but I already see lots of negatives.  Ten-Tec has 
always been a good company, and I hope they have success with this 
radio--I don't want them going away!  Somewhere in that brain trust 
there has to be a product that will get me excited again.

I also hope Eric isn't too quick to squash this thread.  I think it is a 
good thing to draw comparisons to different radios.  Ten-Tec may be 
focusing more on the new Kenwood, as someone suggested, but I think 
Elecraft has a big bullseye on it's forhead, and so far, everyone is 
using a bow with a 15 pound pull when something much, much bigger is 
required.

Dave W7AQK
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[Elecraft] K3 Sub Receiver Antenna

2010-09-27 Thread Bill N3KKM
The K3 manual indicates that the Sub Receiver's AUX antenna must be 
well-isolated from the transmit antenna to avoid activating the sub's carrier 
carrier-operated relay. From a practical, real world standpoint, what is well 
isolated? 

Bill - N3KKM 
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Re: [Elecraft] OT--Ten-Tec Eagle

2010-09-27 Thread Don Cunningham
I sent my last comment to the author only, so made sure this one went to the 
reflector, hi.  Ten Tec's biggest problem is that they DON'T LISTEN to their 
customers.  I too had the Orion II, bought new, but they NEVER did solve 
firmware problems that existed from the start.  Today's users are STILL 
griping about AGC problems.  I gave up on them after 18 months and was glad 
I could sell mine.  Anyone getting into the software radio business needs 
programmers, and Ten Tec has little to no staff in that area.  Regardless 
what they say, no one from Ten Tec actively monitors reflectors.  I hate to 
see another American company fail, but I can't see buying another Ten Tec 
product myself after the Orion II problems (and loss when I sold it).
73,
Don, WB5HAK 

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Re: [Elecraft] [OT]TenTec Hamfest

2010-09-27 Thread Steve Ellington
The main TenTec group is on contesting.com. It's moderated and if you say 
anything negative about tentec they will boot you off.
I made the mistake of complaining about their chirpy Omni VI+ and got the 
boot. Haven't had much to do with them for years now.

There are Yahoo groups for individual TT rigs. Go to groups.yahoo.com and do 
a search for Eagle.

Steve N4LQ


- Original Message - 
From: Fred Jensen k6...@foothill.net
To: Elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 12:34 PM
Subject: [Elecraft] [OT]TenTec Hamfest


 Does TenTec have their own reflector?

 73,

 Fred K6DGW
 - Northern California Contest Club
 - CU in the 2010 Cal QSO Party 2-3 Oct 2010
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Sub Receiver Antenna

2010-09-27 Thread David Cutter
My arrangement has them within a few feet, so I will be using a high speed 
reed to remove and short the rx antenna.

David
G3UNA


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From: Bill N3KKM n3kk...@embarqmail.com
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 5:59 PM
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Sub Receiver Antenna


 The K3 manual indicates that the Sub Receiver's AUX antenna must be 
 well-isolated from the transmit antenna to avoid activating the sub's 
 carrier carrier-operated relay. From a practical, real world standpoint, 
 what is well isolated?

 Bill - N3KKM
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[Elecraft] Elecraft K3 and D-star

2010-09-27 Thread Richard Burg
Has anyone any experience with using a D-star adapter wih a K3. If  
yes, would you please give the particulars.

Thanks,
Richard, AB3LV
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 level accuracy

2010-09-27 Thread Geoffrey Downs
Dear Stephen,

My XG2 at 50 microvolts output nominal also shows near enough -78dbm on the 
P3. At 1 microvolt output it's about -112 dbm. The battery isn't new but 
doesn't get a lot of use. All after due recalibration procedures.

73 to all

Geoff
G3UCK

- Original Message - 
From: Stephen Prior s...@sjprior.fsnet.co.uk
To: elecraft elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010 4:50 PM
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 level accuracy


I have just run the RF gain calibration on the K3 via the utility (and
 calibrated the S meter too) using my XG-2 on 40m.  Default values of the S
 meter give S9 as it should with 50uV from the XG-2.  However, the P3 shows 
 a
 level of -78dBm which seems to be outside the P3's published spec of +/-
 3dB.  A calibration routine for the P3 utility has been mooted for the
 future, but I am wondering whether it's normal for the level to be so far
 out.

 I'd be interested in what other XG-2 and P3 owners find.  The XG-2 is
 running on a new lithium button cell.

 73 Stephen G4SJP

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Re: [Elecraft] P3 level accuracy

2010-09-27 Thread Stephen Prior
Hi Geoff

I've had several replies, all report the XG-2's -73dBm level to be between
about -78dBm and -80dBm on the P3, so it's at least consistent, and will, no
doubt receive Elecraft's attention in due course!

73 Stephen


On 27/09/2010 19:18, Geoffrey Downs geoffre...@madasafish.com wrote:

 
 Dear Stephen,
 
 My XG2 at 50 microvolts output nominal also shows near enough -78dbm on the
 P3. At 1 microvolt output it's about -112 dbm. The battery isn't new but
 doesn't get a lot of use. All after due recalibration procedures.
 
 73 to all
 
 Geoff
 G3UCK
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Stephen Prior s...@sjprior.fsnet.co.uk
 To: elecraft elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010 4:50 PM
 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 level accuracy
 
 
 I have just run the RF gain calibration on the K3 via the utility (and
 calibrated the S meter too) using my XG-2 on 40m.  Default values of the S
 meter give S9 as it should with 50uV from the XG-2.  However, the P3 shows
 a
 level of -78dBm which seems to be outside the P3's published spec of +/-
 3dB.  A calibration routine for the P3 utility has been mooted for the
 future, but I am wondering whether it's normal for the level to be so far
 out.
 
 I'd be interested in what other XG-2 and P3 owners find.  The XG-2 is
 running on a new lithium button cell.
 
 73 Stephen G4SJP
 
 




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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Sub Receiver Antenna

2010-09-27 Thread Don Wilhelm
  Bill,

My answer is not a smart remark, but rather the truth - and that 
answer is Whatever it takes!
There are so many variables that your question cannot be answered 
specifically for your location.
Some of the variables are antenna polarization, physical distance, gain 
of the transmit antenna and its heading relative to the receive 
antenna.  Trees, buildings and other objects that may shield the receive 
antenna from the transmit ant, proximity of feedlines, how much 
radiation is coming back on the feedline for each antenna, plus probably 
a host of other factors that I may not have thought of.

You could make some tests using a simple pickup antenna and a field 
strength meter at your proposed location for the receiving antenna 
before placing it.  Position the temporary pickup antenna for the least 
field strength.
Unless you have a lot of freedom in the physical location of the receive 
antenna, the simple solution may be to switch in an attenuator for the 
subRX when transmitting.  If the main and the sub are going to be on 
different bands, perhaps a bandpass filter would be a good solution - 
again, the real answer is Whatever it takes, and hopefully you can 
begin to understand why that is the only answer possible.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 9/27/2010 12:59 PM, Bill N3KKM wrote:
 The K3 manual indicates that the Sub Receiver's AUX antenna must be 
 well-isolated from the transmit antenna to avoid activating the sub's carrier 
 carrier-operated relay. From a practical, real world standpoint, what is 
 well isolated?

 Bill - N3KKM

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Re: [Elecraft] [OT]TenTec Hamfest

2010-09-27 Thread Wes Stewart
That's a pity.  I've often been vocal about K3 problems, but it's made it a 
better radio because the designers listen.

Also a pity, the TT is another 13V radio with horrible TX IMD specs.

--- On Mon, 9/27/10, Steve Ellington n...@carolina.rr.com wrote:

 The main TenTec group is on
 contesting.com. It's moderated and if you say 
 anything negative about tentec they will boot you off.
 I made the mistake of complaining about their chirpy Omni
 VI+ and got the 
 boot. Haven't had much to do with them for years now.
 
 There are Yahoo groups for individual TT rigs. Go to
 groups.yahoo.com and do 
 a search for Eagle.
 
 Steve N4LQ


  
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Re: [Elecraft] [OT]TenTec Hamfest

2010-09-27 Thread Curt
I can top that one.

I am not allowed to purchase anything from them---TEN TEC-- because I sent back 
a radio under THEIR 30 return policy---and they BRAG about that return policy! 
lol 

It's been years now and I too have had nothing to do with them. 

So why are we giving them time and space on a Elecraft reflector anyway? 

They couldn't give me a radio, that's what I think of that company.

73

Curt
k3ey

--- On Mon, 9/27/10, Steve Ellington n...@carolina.rr.com wrote:

From: Steve Ellington n...@carolina.rr.com
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [OT]TenTec Hamfest
To: k6...@foothill.net, Elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Date: Monday, September 27, 2010, 1:32 PM

The main TenTec group is on contesting.com. It's moderated and if you say 
anything negative about tentec they will boot you off.
I made the mistake of complaining about their chirpy Omni VI+ and got the 
boot. Haven't had much to do with them for years now.

There are Yahoo groups for individual TT rigs. Go to groups.yahoo.com and do 
a search for Eagle.

Steve N4LQ


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From: Fred Jensen k6...@foothill.net
To: Elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 12:34 PM
Subject: [Elecraft] [OT]TenTec Hamfest


 Does TenTec have their own reflector?

 73,

 Fred K6DGW
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 - CU in the 2010 Cal QSO Party 2-3 Oct 2010
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 + P3

2010-09-27 Thread Alan Bloom
The rule is that when you turn a marker on it is at the same frequency
as the last time it was on, unless that would put it off-screen.  In
that case the marker comes on at the center frequency.

The same thing happens when you change bands.  The marker will appear at
the center frequency.

There was an issue with band information from the K3 not always making
it to the P3 under certain conditions.  That was fixed in K3 firmware a
few revisions back.

If you hit the A/B key on the K3, then the old VFO B frequency is now
the VFO A frequency, which is where the P3 display will be centered.
The marker will stay at the same frequency it was before, which means it
probably moved on the screen, assuming VFO B had been on a different
frequency from VFO A.

There was another issue in K3 firmware with sending updated A/B info to
the P3.  It is fixed in the latest field-test firmware which should be
released for beta soon.

Alan N1AL



On Mon, 2010-09-27 at 12:08 -0500, John Lyon wrote:
 Hi all,
 
 Can someone please enlighten me about how MKR A 
 and MKR B work in the P3? My software in both 
 units is current.
 
 I've just turned on the K3 and P3. VFO A is on 
 20m, and VFO B is on 40m. On page 6 of the manual, 
 it says that MKR A controls VFO A, and MKR B 
 controls VFO B. But I haven't turned MKR A on yet, 
 so the display shows the center freq display for 
 20m without a marker.
 
 Now I tap the MKR A button, and the cyan marker 
 comes on. Fine so far, and MKR A allows me to QSY 
 by tuning and tapping the rotary knob.
 
 Then I tap the A/B button on the K3. The rig 
 shifts to 40m display, and the marker remains 
 cyan. What I expected was, since MKR B controls 
 VFO B, there would be no marker because I haven't 
 activated MKR B. And I didn't expect to see MKR A 
 at all because this is VFO B.
 
 Sometimes when I have changed bands, and moved the 
 marker to QSY, it takes two taps of the rotary 
 knob before the frequency is changed, other times 
 only once. And sometimes the marker frequency 
 changes to the new band freq and sometimes not.
 
 What I'm saying is I am continually surprised at 
 how the markers work, but I can't figure out the 
 pattern. To me, any function should be consistent 
 and repeatable, so I'm missing something very 
 basic. When I asked support how the markers are 
 supposed to work, all they said was read the 
 manual. That's what got me in trouble in the first 
 place.
 
 So enlighten me, ye Marker Gods who have figured 
 this out. I can't figger the logic.
 
 73,
 
 John W9LHG
 
 
 
 
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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3 and D-star

2010-09-27 Thread Richard Burg
Is the K3 capable of 9600 baud packet?

On Sep 27, 2010, at 2:38 PM, Mike Heitmann wrote:

 Richard,

 I have a K2 (with K3 envy)...

 ... and a DV Adapter that I use with an old IC-706.

 If the K3 is capable of 9600 baud packet, the DV Adapter should work  
 with it.

 73,
 Mike, N0SO




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 From: Richard Burg rbu...@me.com
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Sent: Mon, September 27, 2010 12:49:55 PM
 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3 and D-star

 Has anyone any experience with using a D-star adapter wih a K3. If
 yes, would you please give the particulars.

 Thanks,
 Richard, AB3LV
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 level accuracy

2010-09-27 Thread Joe Planisky
Which do you suppose is inaccurate: the XG-2 or the P3?

73
--
Joe KB8AP


On Sep 27, 2010, at 11:22 AM, Stephen Prior wrote:

 Hi Geoff

 I've had several replies, all report the XG-2's -73dBm level to be  
 between
 about -78dBm and -80dBm on the P3, so it's at least consistent, and  
 will, no
 doubt receive Elecraft's attention in due course!

 73 Stephen


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Re: [Elecraft] P3 level accuracy

2010-09-27 Thread Stephen Prior
Well, I'm kind of assuming it's the P3!  That the figures quoted have been
consistent, suggests not only that the XG-2's have pretty much the same
output but also that there is a common scaling (gain) or perhaps a
systematic error in the P3.

It will, no doubt be sorted in time.  Meanwhile, it's no big deal and I've
found that I don't know how I've survived so long without a panadaptor, it
introduces a whole new way of working.

73 Stephen G4SJP 


On 27/09/2010 20:33, Joe Planisky jp...@jeffnet.org wrote:

 
 Which do you suppose is inaccurate: the XG-2 or the P3?
 
 73
 --
 Joe KB8AP
 
 
 On Sep 27, 2010, at 11:22 AM, Stephen Prior wrote:
 
 Hi Geoff
 
 I've had several replies, all report the XG-2's -73dBm level to be
 between
 about -78dBm and -80dBm on the P3, so it's at least consistent, and
 will, no
 doubt receive Elecraft's attention in due course!
 
 73 Stephen
 
 
 




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Re: [Elecraft] [OT]TenTec Hamfest

2010-09-27 Thread Mike Harris
The subject needs booting off the Elecraft reflector also.

Regards,

Mike VP8NO

- Original Message - 
From: Steve Ellington n...@carolina.rr.com
To: k6...@foothill.net; Elecraft Reflector 
elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 2:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [OT]TenTec Hamfest


 The main TenTec group is on contesting.com. It's moderated and if 
 you say
 anything negative about tentec they will boot you off.
 I made the mistake of complaining about their chirpy Omni VI+ and 
 got the
 boot. Haven't had much to do with them for years now.

 There are Yahoo groups for individual TT rigs. Go to 
 groups.yahoo.com and do
 a search for Eagle.

 Steve N4LQ


 - Original Message - 
 From: Fred Jensen k6...@foothill.net
 To: Elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 12:34 PM
 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT]TenTec Hamfest


 Does TenTec have their own reflector?

 73,

 Fred K6DGW
 - Northern California Contest Club
 - CU in the 2010 Cal QSO Party 2-3 Oct 2010
 - www.cqp.org

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Re: [Elecraft] [OT]TenTec Hamfest

2010-09-27 Thread Gary Gregory
NO, not yet. Objective discussion on the merits of design philosophy and
construction and operability etc is helpful to many of us.

Of course the Delete key is an option we all know how to use.

I think Eric will wait till the postings become an issue with regard to the
reflector guidelines and at that point he will slap us on the wrist for
being naughty boys...Grin

I have learnt a couple of things so far on the postings and that is a good
thing for me.

73's
Gary

On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 6:21 AM, Mike Harris mike.har...@cwimail.fk wrote:

 The subject needs booting off the Elecraft reflector also.

 Regards,

 Mike VP8NO

 - Original Message -
 From: Steve Ellington n...@carolina.rr.com
 To: k6...@foothill.net; Elecraft Reflector
 elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 2:32 PM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [OT]TenTec Hamfest


  The main TenTec group is on contesting.com. It's moderated and if
  you say
  anything negative about tentec they will boot you off.
  I made the mistake of complaining about their chirpy Omni VI+ and
  got the
  boot. Haven't had much to do with them for years now.
 
  There are Yahoo groups for individual TT rigs. Go to
  groups.yahoo.com and do
  a search for Eagle.
 
  Steve N4LQ
 
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Fred Jensen k6...@foothill.net
  To: Elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net
  Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 12:34 PM
  Subject: [Elecraft] [OT]TenTec Hamfest
 
 
  Does TenTec have their own reflector?
 
  73,
 
  Fred K6DGW
  - Northern California Contest Club
  - CU in the 2010 Cal QSO Party 2-3 Oct 2010
  - www.cqp.org

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Re: [Elecraft] [OT]TenTec Hamfest

2010-09-27 Thread Steve Ellington
Just ignore if you don't like.
Elecraft has helped set a design standard that is now showing up in other 
rigs such as the Eagle and TS-590. We need freedom to discuss the merits of 
each application.

Steve

- Original Message - 
From: Mike Harris mike.har...@cwimail.fk
To: Elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 4:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [OT]TenTec Hamfest


 The subject needs booting off the Elecraft reflector also.

 Regards,

 Mike VP8NO

 - Original Message - 
 From: Steve Ellington n...@carolina.rr.com
 To: k6...@foothill.net; Elecraft Reflector
 elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 2:32 PM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [OT]TenTec Hamfest


 The main TenTec group is on contesting.com. It's moderated and if
 you say
 anything negative about tentec they will boot you off.
 I made the mistake of complaining about their chirpy Omni VI+ and
 got the
 boot. Haven't had much to do with them for years now.

 There are Yahoo groups for individual TT rigs. Go to
 groups.yahoo.com and do
 a search for Eagle.

 Steve N4LQ


 - Original Message - 
 From: Fred Jensen k6...@foothill.net
 To: Elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 12:34 PM
 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT]TenTec Hamfest


 Does TenTec have their own reflector?

 73,

 Fred K6DGW
 - Northern California Contest Club
 - CU in the 2010 Cal QSO Party 2-3 Oct 2010
 - www.cqp.org

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Re: [Elecraft] [OT]TenTec Hamfest

2010-09-27 Thread David Pratt
Well said.  There's so much Off Topic stuff on here that it's becoming 
increasing difficult finding what relates directly to Elecraft products.

73 de David G4DMP
K1, KX1, K2, K3, P3, etc

On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 6:21 AM, Mike Harris mike.har...@cwimail.fk wrote:

 The subject needs booting off the Elecraft reflector also.



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Re: [Elecraft] [OT]TenTec Hamfest [END of Thread]

2010-09-27 Thread Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft
  Let's end this thread for now.

Also, please refrain from discussing if a thread is proper or not on the 
list. If you feel it needs to be moderated, please email the moderator, 
me, instead in the interest of keeping list traffic down.

73, Eric
Elecraft List moderator
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Re: [Elecraft] KRX3

2010-09-27 Thread VE3WDM

Don and Guy, Thanks very much for the help I re-did the synthesizer cal for
the main receiver and then did the sub receiver. I then went into the K3
utility and did the RF gain calibration for both main and sub receivers.Oh
and also entered the filter data for the sub as well. All is going FB and I
am just in the process of discovering the sub receiver.  
Thanks again for your time and help. 
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 level accuracy

2010-09-27 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV


  I've had several replies, all report the XG-2's -73dBm level to be
  between about -78dBm and -80dBm on the P3, so it's at least
  consistent, and will, no doubt receive Elecraft's attention in
  due course!

Well, my XG-2 shows up at -68 to -70 dBm on my P3.  The P3 shows
a no signal noise floor of -150dBm (RX Ant) in a 2 KHz span.  The
K3 has been calibrated to this same XG-2 using the K3 Utility and
reads S9.  The 1 uV output shows up at -105dBm with the same test
conditions.

The K3 has the IF output modification fitted.

73,

... Joe, W4TV


On 9/27/2010 2:22 PM, Stephen Prior wrote:
 Hi Geoff

 I've had several replies, all report the XG-2's -73dBm level to be between
 about -78dBm and -80dBm on the P3, so it's at least consistent, and will, no
 doubt receive Elecraft's attention in due course!

 73 Stephen


 On 27/09/2010 19:18, Geoffrey Downsgeoffre...@madasafish.com  wrote:


 Dear Stephen,

 My XG2 at 50 microvolts output nominal also shows near enough -78dbm on the
 P3. At 1 microvolt output it's about -112 dbm. The battery isn't new but
 doesn't get a lot of use. All after due recalibration procedures.

 73 to all

 Geoff
 G3UCK

 - Original Message -
 From: Stephen Priors...@sjprior.fsnet.co.uk
 To: elecraftelecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010 4:50 PM
 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 level accuracy


 I have just run the RF gain calibration on the K3 via the utility (and
 calibrated the S meter too) using my XG-2 on 40m.  Default values of the S
 meter give S9 as it should with 50uV from the XG-2.  However, the P3 shows
 a
 level of -78dBm which seems to be outside the P3's published spec of +/-
 3dB.  A calibration routine for the P3 utility has been mooted for the
 future, but I am wondering whether it's normal for the level to be so far
 out.

 I'd be interested in what other XG-2 and P3 owners find.  The XG-2 is
 running on a new lithium button cell.

 73 Stephen G4SJP






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[Elecraft] k3 sold.

2010-09-27 Thread Gary Lee

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Re: [Elecraft] P3 level accuracy

2010-09-27 Thread Don Wilhelm
  Joe,

Comparing the K3 S-meter with the P3 amplitude indication has some 
limitations.

You stated that your K3 has been calibrated with the XG2 and I have no 
reason to doubt that, but do realize the granularity in that calibration.
If you calibrate the K3 S-9 indicator bar to just barely come on at -73 
dBm, and it will be the only bar illuminated until the signal goes up to 
-67 dBm (assuming 6 dB per S-unit).  So your indication is well within 
that granular step.  OTOH, if you calibrated the K3 S-meter so the S-9 
indication  is on full at -73 dBm, then your K3's S-9 could be as low as 
-79 dBm.
When comparing the K3 S-meter reading to the P3, one must consider this 
granularity in the K3 S-meter - in other words, it is not an exact 
science - allow for a +/- 6 dB range when making comparisons unless you 
have calibrated the K3 S-meter with this granularity in mind and can 
define the S-9 range more closely with accuracy.

I believe Alan is working on additional calibration processes for the 
P3, so if we could give this subject a bit of a rest until he completes 
that work, we will keep the reflector more quiet for now - after the P3 
calibrations are in place, then I am certain comments on accuracies and 
inaccuracies of the response will be well received and appreciated.

What we have currently is a digital display with its digital granularity 
being compared to an analog display with greater resolution than the 
digital display - to me, that is like comparing apples and oranges 
unless the granularity (and its consequences) is understood.  Those of 
us old-timers who grew up in the analog meter world do have a difficult 
time with this fact - it just does not seem natural unless we have 
gone through the digital indoctrination and learned its consequences.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 9/27/2010 5:26 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:

 I've had several replies, all report the XG-2's -73dBm level to be
 between about -78dBm and -80dBm on the P3, so it's at least
 consistent, and will, no doubt receive Elecraft's attention in
 due course!

 Well, my XG-2 shows up at -68 to -70 dBm on my P3.  The P3 shows
 a no signal noise floor of -150dBm (RX Ant) in a 2 KHz span.  The
 K3 has been calibrated to this same XG-2 using the K3 Utility and
 reads S9.  The 1 uV output shows up at -105dBm with the same test
 conditions.

 The K3 has the IF output modification fitted.

 73,

  ... Joe, W4TV

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[Elecraft] K2 -- KAT2 Question

2010-09-27 Thread stan levandowski
I just finished my KAT2 for my K2 #6980.  According to p. 19 of the 
instructions, my KAT2 is supposed to automatically reduce power to 3 
watts if my power control is set higher during the autotune, if my 
firmware revision is higher than 1.05 on the K2 Main Microcontroller. 
My firmware is Revision 2.4.

But it doesn't look like the KAT2 is reducing power during the autotune.

Just wondering if anyone else has experienced a similar situation.  No 
big deal; I can just do it myself, but thought I'd ask.

Other than the above, the KAT2 seems to be working very, very well 
especially since it was able to resolve a 12:1 SWR on a 40 meter dipole 
that was resonant on 6.6 mHz.  Don't ask...that's another story.



Stan Levandowski WB2LQF
HF QRP CW -- Doing more with less for over 50 years!
QCWA #35038   OOTC #4558   NAQCC #4740   SKCC #6488   FISTS #14992
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[Elecraft] Sun SSB Net 9-26-2010 K7VED, Gary

2010-09-27 Thread Gary Baker
 
I enjoyed filling in for Phil, NS7P for the Elecraft SSB Net!  Most all
stations were heard very well, but some thought band conditions were
marginal.
John, N6JW gave us a briefing on his new P3 and how functional it has been
for him especially on RTTY.  Another question about a list of K3 users so
one
could visit another user in the same area if possible.  I believe I recorded
all of the check ins, but if I managed to omit any, please accept my
apology.  Net control for me was a “first” experience and a lot of fun. 
Thanks for all of the support!  Here are the checkins as I have it:
 
Station  Name    QTH 
Rig   S/N
W5ETJ     
Gary   Tx  K3    3227
W0FM   Terry  MO      K3  
 4004
W0CZ   Kent   ND
K3     457
W0RSR  Mike   K2 
  5767
NT5Q   DonNM    
 K34179
W1ZI   John   MA 
K3    4103
K4GCJ  Gerry  NC      K3 
  1597
K5LAD  Jim    OK 
K31068
W4RKS  Jim    AL 
K3    1638
KE4INM Jim   
FL  K3    3307
N1OXA  Ivan   ME 
K3    4538
W7NMD  Palmer     AR 
K3    3779
WO1I   Dick   MA 
K3 911
N9EF   Robert     IL 
K34411
N3FTL  Tom        PA  FT101B
KA0NCR Arne   NE 
K3     185
KO5Y   Ken 
NM  K2    4124
W6VY   Bob    CA  K3   
2765
N6JW   John
CA  K3 936
K6LMP  Lou   
CA  k3    3805
W1HFD  Ted    PA
W8YMO  Harry  OH  K3 
   166
K9RDW  Robbie WI  IC7600
KI4PQY Frank 
W0SZ   Steve      CO 
K3 176
N0OER  Gene   KS  FT890
K2XT   Rick       NJ  K3 
QRP   3814
W4RKS  Jim     
  AL  K33678
 
73’s, Gary, K7VED
 
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Re: [Elecraft] K2 -- KAT2 Question - Disregard

2010-09-27 Thread stan levandowski
Sorry, folks, the instruction manual clearly stated BAR graph and when 
I switched to it everything worked just fine!!

Elecraft - 1; WB2LQF - 0



Stan Levandowski WB2LQF
HF QRP CW -- Doing more with less for over 50 years!
QCWA #35038   OOTC #4558   NAQCC #4740   SKCC #6488   FISTS #14992


On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 6:21 PM, stan levandowski wrote:

 I just finished my KAT2 for my K2 #6980.  According to p. 19 of the 
 instructions, my KAT2 is supposed to automatically reduce power to 3 
 watts if my power control is set higher during the autotune, if my 
 firmware revision is higher than 1.05 on the K2 Main Microcontroller. 
 My firmware is Revision 2.4.

 But it doesn't look like the KAT2 is reducing power during the 
 autotune.

 Just wondering if anyone else has experienced a similar situation.  No 
 big deal; I can just do it myself, but thought I'd ask.

 Other than the above, the KAT2 seems to be working very, very well 
 especially since it was able to resolve a 12:1 SWR on a 40 meter 
 dipole that was resonant on 6.6 mHz.  Don't ask...that's another 
 story.



 Stan Levandowski WB2LQF
 HF QRP CW -- Doing more with less for over 50 years!
 QCWA #35038   OOTC #4558   NAQCC #4740   SKCC #6488   FISTS #14992
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[Elecraft] K3 Audio I/O Module Physical Mounting

2010-09-27 Thread Roger Gagos
A couple of days ago I reported and asked the list about my Audio I/O Module
had some vertical play from the earphone and mic plugs.  This isn't causing
any problem, but I was curious if it was normal.

Had a quick email exchange with Dale Farmer at Elecraft this afternoon and
verified it is, in fact, normal and shouldn't be a concern.  Hasn't caused
any problems here anyway; nothing moves when the mic and phones are in place
and being used.

I did get an email from AE6IC who lives near me saying his doesn't move at
all.  My guess is that it varies by tolerances of rear panel holes or date
of manufacture.  Anyway, not to worry

Isn't getting equipment with such great support a pleasure?

Roger, K6EQ
Escondido, CA
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Re: [Elecraft] Eagle keying

2010-09-27 Thread ynkedragon



Steve Ellington n...@carolina.rr.com said:
I used the Eagle while there for one cw QSO while at the hamfest. The keying 
elay was loud enough to be heard above the crowd which was a deal breaker 
or me. 

Sorry to hear that T-T has moved away from one of their claim-to-fame 
features--PIN diode QSK.  
I have a 30-year old Argosy which did QSK so silently and so well.  

I hear there's a company somewhere in California--Aptos, I think--which still 
knows how to design radios with silent QSK.  :-)

73 de k3yd





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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Audio I/O Module Physical Mounting

2010-09-27 Thread Don Wilhelm
  Roger,

A bit more information for those interested in the logic of it all.

If one applies a little bit of the study of high school physics about 
levers and related movements along with a realization of the mechanics 
in the K3 board mounting, one should find that there is no problem.

The board is not secured at the panel end, and the limits of movement 
are constrained by the size of the holes in the panel.  There is the 
possibility of less than 1/8 inch of movement at the panel.  Now, 
applying the rules of levers, and translating that 1/8 inch of movement 
at the panel to the connector on the other side of the board, one should 
conclude that the movement at the connector (the pivot point) is 
minuscule.  The connector pins will not be bent by that amount of 
movement and the sockets will not loose their grip with that amount of 
angular mis-alignment.  For those with a bit more Mechanics of 
materials course study behind them, there is no way that the socket nor 
the connector pins will reach their limits of elasticity.

Bottom-line, no harm done, no problem.

For those who report no movement at all, yes, there are some instances 
where the panel does produce pressure on the board edge, and will render 
it unmovable with normal forces.  The differences are due to normal 
manufacturing tolerances in the board size.  Again, as long as the board 
fits and the panel is able to be mounted without bowing, the necessary 
conditions are met.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 9/27/2010 6:25 PM, Roger Gagos wrote:
 A couple of days ago I reported and asked the list about my Audio I/O Module
 had some vertical play from the earphone and mic plugs.  This isn't causing
 any problem, but I was curious if it was normal.

 Had a quick email exchange with Dale Farmer at Elecraft this afternoon and
 verified it is, in fact, normal and shouldn't be a concern.  Hasn't caused
 any problems here anyway; nothing moves when the mic and phones are in place
 and being used.

 I did get an email from AE6IC who lives near me saying his doesn't move at
 all.  My guess is that it varies by tolerances of rear panel holes or date
 of manufacture.  Anyway, not to worry

 Isn't getting equipment with such great support a pleasure?

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Re: [Elecraft] Eagle keying

2010-09-27 Thread Don Wilhelm
  That company is no longer in Aptos (although the PO box is still good) 
- the new location is Watsonville.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 9/27/2010 6:49 PM, ynkedra...@aol.com wrote:
 I hear there's a company somewhere in California--Aptos, I think--which still 
 knows how to design radios with silent QSK.  :-)

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Re: [Elecraft] Eagle keying

2010-09-27 Thread Steve Ellington
Sir:
To my knowledge, all TenTec rigs that ran 100 watts always used a tiny reed 
relay to switch the antenna from xmit to recv. Only their low power rigs 
used pin diode switching for this. The little relay was so quiet that you 
had to put your ear on the cabinet to hear it however and it caused a lot of 
folks to believe none was present.
How about a nice HW-16? No relay!

Steve

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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Eagle keying





 Steve Ellington n...@carolina.rr.com said:
 I used the Eagle while there for one cw QSO while at the hamfest. The 
 keying
 elay was loud enough to be heard above the crowd which was a deal breaker
 or me.

 Sorry to hear that T-T has moved away from one of their claim-to-fame 
 features--PIN diode QSK.
 I have a 30-year old Argosy which did QSK so silently and so well.

 I hear there's a company somewhere in California--Aptos, I think--which 
 still knows how to design radios with silent QSK.  :-)

 73 de k3yd





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[Elecraft] K3: FSK or AFSK

2010-09-27 Thread Bill Myers

I'm trying to remember why I wanted a FSK-capable radio for RTTY.  Before
(the K3), I have used sound-card programs (MMTTY, WriteLog) - now I have the
option.  As I am a little short on serial ports, I initially set up the K3
using AFSK.  Why should I switch?

Bill K6IFF

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Re: [Elecraft] K3: FSK or AFSK

2010-09-27 Thread Fred Jensen
On 9/27/2010 4:30 PM, Bill Myers wrote:

 I'm trying to remember why I wanted a FSK-capable radio for RTTY.  Before
 (the K3), I have used sound-card programs (MMTTY, WriteLog) - now I have the
 option.  As I am a little short on serial ports, I initially set up the K3
 using AFSK.  Why should I switch?

If I think of a reason Bill, I'll let you know.  I managed 625 Q's in a 
sort of sporadic effort in the CQ WW RTTY this last weekend with N1MM, 
MMTTY, my laptop w/sound card, and two Radio Shack audio cables between 
Line[s] In and Line[s] Out on the laptop and K3.  My AFSK A pitch is at 
915 [I can hear that, I can't hear much higher than that, YMMV] which is 
also what I set in MMTTY, and that was the end of the set-up other than 
the levels which weren't at all hard.  Be sure to turn off all the 
Windoze noises on your computer.

I haven't really mastered dual-PB yet, or maybe I have and it's not a 
lot different than non-dual-PB.  I do know that MMTTY was decoding 
stations [and I was working them] that I really couldn't hear, I could 
just see their faint trace on the WF.

73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the 2010 Cal QSO Party 2-3 Oct 2010
- www.cqp.org
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Re: [Elecraft] K3: FSK or AFSK

2010-09-27 Thread Don Wilhelm
  Bill,

You have a successful setup, so why even consider switching.  There is 
no difference between FSK and AFSK on the receiving end.  The major 
difference on the transmitting end is that FSK is more tolerant of 
things like the mark frequency setting, but other than that, I cannot 
find any difference.

Note: you still must select the mark frequency for proper receive 
decoding, but using FSK instead of AFSK removes that requirement from 
the transmit side only.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 9/27/2010 7:30 PM, Bill Myers wrote:
 I'm trying to remember why I wanted a FSK-capable radio for RTTY.  Before
 (the K3), I have used sound-card programs (MMTTY, WriteLog) - now I have the
 option.  As I am a little short on serial ports, I initially set up the K3
 using AFSK.  Why should I switch?

 Bill K6IFF

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[Elecraft] K3 keyer contest serial numbers

2010-09-27 Thread Sam Morgan
Will the K3's internal keyer do consecutive serial numbers
for contests requiring that?
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GB  73
K5OAI
Sam Morgan
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Re: [Elecraft] Eagle keying

2010-09-27 Thread Rick Prather
I know my Omni VII had a noticeable amount of relay noise.  

It surprised me since after shutting off the Amplifier relay on my Omni V and 
VI they were completely silent  (like my K3).

Rick
K6LE

On 9/27/2010, at 4:23 , Steve Ellington wrote:

 Sir:
 To my knowledge, all TenTec rigs that ran 100 watts always used a tiny reed 
 relay to switch the antenna from xmit to recv. Only their low power rigs 
 used pin diode switching for this. The little relay was so quiet that you 
 had to put your ear on the cabinet to hear it however and it caused a lot of 
 folks to believe none was present.
 How about a nice HW-16? No relay!
 
 Steve
 

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Re: [Elecraft] Eagle keying

2010-09-27 Thread KW4H
I own both Elecraft and Ten Tec equipment, and like both companies.  My
Omni-VII is a great radio and, to be completely honest, it would take a real
effort on my part to hear any relay noise, and I have excellent hearing.
The K3 is also a great radio and I would be just as happy to have it in the
shack.

73, Steve, KW4H
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[Elecraft] checking IF output problem from K3XVA? none detected...

2010-09-27 Thread Brian Pepperdine




Hi.
I installed a K3XVA board into the K3 in order to get IF output for an LP PAN 
and PSDR.

I was not seeing signals on PSDR, nor any input levels on the sound card 
inputs,  so began to question if I actually HAD output from the K3XV.

It was recommended to me that I feed the IF output into a receiver and see if I 
heard output at 8.215.
I do not hear anything.

I did go back to check my work and the board is inserted into the jack and the 
thin coax cable is going from the board  to the underside plug.

Any ideas on troubleshooting the seeming lack of output? I did install the 
resistor retrofit ( 13K, 1/8 watt leaded).

Thought I would ask here before I message anything to Elecraft service.

As always, but thanfully infrequently, thanks

Brien
VE3VAW
Toronto, ON


  
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[Elecraft] OMNI VII

2010-09-27 Thread Adriano Perazio
Hello all
I´m new here and thinking about a O7.
I run almost all the time in SSB contests and DX.
Own a 756 pro 3 but feel it noisy.
What you guys think about the O7 for that use ?
 
Tnx
PY2ADR / ZY2C
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[Elecraft] Mounting the Battery Holders in the KX-1

2010-09-27 Thread Phil Barnes-Roberts WA6DZS
(With photos, too large for the reflector)
The Problem:
http://wa6dzs.blogspot.com/2010/09/mounting-battery-holders-in-kx-1.html
The Fix:
http://wa6dzs.blogspot.com/2010/09/fix-mounting-battery-holders-in-kx-1.html

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[Elecraft] Not Omni but K3

2010-09-27 Thread Adriano Perazio
Sorry guys
But i´m getting nuts about purchase a new rig.
Anyone can help me out with this: Omni or K3 for SSB contest and DX ?
 
Tnx
PY2ADR / ZY2C
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Re: [Elecraft] OMNI VII

2010-09-27 Thread Tony Morgan
  You should probably ask this question on the Ten-Tec reflector.

73,

Tony W7GO

On 9/27/2010 7:07 PM, Adriano Perazio wrote:
 Hello all
 I´m new here and thinking about a O7.
 I run almost all the time in SSB contests and DX.
 Own a 756 pro 3 but feel it noisy.
 What you guys think about the O7 for that use ?

 Tnx
 PY2ADR / ZY2C
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[Elecraft] Eagle keying_Homebrew KW PIN Diode QSK

2010-09-27 Thread Don Ehrlich
Do you think that company would mind if I confessed to adapting their design 
from the K3 QSK to use with my Tokyo Hy-Power HL-1.5KFX amplifier at 1 Kw 
level?  My junkbox provided almost everything I needed and, just to make 
sure my KW qsk adapter matched my other gear it is in a K2 cabinet.  I now 
have what amounts to a KW  K3 transceiver that operates cw without any relay 
clickity clacks and I love it.

Don K7FJ



  That company is no longer in Aptos (although the PO box is still good)
 - the new location is Watsonville.

 73,
 Don W3FPR

 On 9/27/2010 6:49 PM, ynkedra...@aol.com wrote:
 I hear there's a company somewhere in California--Aptos, I think--which 
 still knows how to design radios with silent QSK.  :-)

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Re: [Elecraft] Mounting the Battery Holders in the KX-1

2010-09-27 Thread Joe Planisky
I ran into exactly the same problem building my KX1.  It seemed like  
the screws provided with the kit were just too short; only a turn or  
two of the thread was engaging (and immediately stripping out.)

I had some longer 2-56 screws and verified that there was still good  
thread in the holes.  I was able to make it work by carefully trimming  
the longer screws to just the right length with a Dremel tool.  The  
longer screws fully engaged all the threads in the holes and hold the  
battery holders securely.

73
--
Joe KB8AP



On Sep 27, 2010, at 7:03 PM, Phil Barnes-Roberts WA6DZS wrote:

 (With photos, too large for the reflector)
 The Problem:
 http://wa6dzs.blogspot.com/2010/09/mounting-battery-holders-in-kx-1.html 
 
 The Fix:
 http://wa6dzs.blogspot.com/2010/09/fix-mounting-battery-holders-in-kx-1.html 
 

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 'Error 42: meaning to universe not found'  --DoctorMO,  
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[Elecraft] line in/line out question

2010-09-27 Thread Tim Tucker
Is there a way to configure the rear mic and rear speakers to work as an
additional line in/out while the front mic is also active (similar to the
regular line in/out).

Here's the situation:  I have the line in/out rigged up to the PC for
soundcard modes.  However, I would also like to hook up a TNC for
Amtor/Pactor ARQ modes.  It wasn't very long ago that it was quite common on
our MARS nets to pass traffic in both Soundcard (MT63) modes and then again
in ARQ (Amtor or Pactor) for stations that needed it.  Under this scenario,
the operator must be able to address the net by voice and quickly change to
the other modes as needed or requested, and then back to voice; there is no
time for fooling around with menu options to switch mic inputs.  I can see
this also being necessary for any operator that needs to operate MARS
digital nets using both a Pactor III modem and Winmor (soundcard tnc) modes.


On my Icom 746 Pro, I have more than one AF in/out on the rear panel, so
having both a TNC and soundcard hooked up and using them both within seconds
of each other is trivial.  Is there a way to do this with the K3?

Thanks for any suggestions,

Tim
AE6LX
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Re: [Elecraft] OMNI VII

2010-09-27 Thread Steve Ellington
I would recommend you buy one immediately.

Steve

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Subject: [Elecraft] OMNI VII


Hello all
I´m new here and thinking about a O7.
I run almost all the time in SSB contests and DX.
Own a 756 pro 3 but feel it noisy.
What you guys think about the O7 for that use ?

Tnx
PY2ADR / ZY2C
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 level accuracy

2010-09-27 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV

Don,

  You stated that your K3 has been calibrated with the XG2 and I have
  no reason to doubt that, but do realize the granularity in that
  calibration.  If you calibrate the K3 S-9 indicator bar to just
  barely come on at -73 dBm, and it will be the only bar illuminated
  until the signal goes up to -67 dBm (assuming 6 dB per S-unit).

The primary point was not the K3 calibration (other than the IF gain
had been calibrated using the XG-2 and K3 Utility) but rather that
my particular XG-2 shows -70 dBm on the P3 vs. the -78 to -80 dBm
being claimed as normal.  In addition, since the 1 uV signal shows
-105 dBm (vs. a calculated -107 dBm) it would tend to indicate the
gain slope is accurate and the overall gain within 3 dB (reasonable
accuracy considering that the XG-2 is not a calibrated standard).

I did calibrate the S meter on my K3 so the S9 reference was
centered (that is, I adjusted SMTR OF to the center of the
range - between the point the S9 bar just comes on and where
the S9+5 dB just comes on).  That should make my S9 bar indicate
-73 dBm +/-2.5 dB (-75.5 dBm to -70.5 dBm).

73,

... Joe, W4TV


On 9/27/2010 6:10 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
 Joe,

 Comparing the K3 S-meter with the P3 amplitude indication has some
 limitations.

 You stated that your K3 has been calibrated with the XG2 and I have no
 reason to doubt that, but do realize the granularity in that calibration.
 If you calibrate the K3 S-9 indicator bar to just barely come on at -73
 dBm, and it will be the only bar illuminated until the signal goes up to
 -67 dBm (assuming 6 dB per S-unit). So your indication is well within
 that granular step. OTOH, if you calibrated the K3 S-meter so the S-9
 indication is on full at -73 dBm, then your K3's S-9 could be as low as
 -79 dBm.
 When comparing the K3 S-meter reading to the P3, one must consider this
 granularity in the K3 S-meter - in other words, it is not an exact
 science - allow for a +/- 6 dB range when making comparisons unless you
 have calibrated the K3 S-meter with this granularity in mind and can
 define the S-9 range more closely with accuracy.

 I believe Alan is working on additional calibration processes for the
 P3, so if we could give this subject a bit of a rest until he completes
 that work, we will keep the reflector more quiet for now - after the P3
 calibrations are in place, then I am certain comments on accuracies and
 inaccuracies of the response will be well received and appreciated.

 What we have currently is a digital display with its digital granularity
 being compared to an analog display with greater resolution than the
 digital display - to me, that is like comparing apples and oranges
 unless the granularity (and its consequences) is understood. Those of us
 old-timers who grew up in the analog meter world do have a difficult
 time with this fact - it just does not seem natural unless we have
 gone through the digital indoctrination and learned its consequences.

 73,
 Don W3FPR

 On 9/27/2010 5:26 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:

  I've had several replies, all report the XG-2's -73dBm level to be
  between about -78dBm and -80dBm on the P3, so it's at least
  consistent, and will, no doubt receive Elecraft's attention in
  due course!

 Well, my XG-2 shows up at -68 to -70 dBm on my P3. The P3 shows
 a no signal noise floor of -150dBm (RX Ant) in a 2 KHz span. The
 K3 has been calibrated to this same XG-2 using the K3 Utility and
 reads S9. The 1 uV output shows up at -105dBm with the same test
 conditions.

 The K3 has the IF output modification fitted.

 73,

 ... Joe, W4TV


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[Elecraft] Test only Not sure how I got bounced off BOB AF2Q No text in mail

2010-09-27 Thread MAXXOUT2

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[Elecraft] SSB Net Sun 9-26-2010 K7VED

2010-09-27 Thread Gary Baker
I formulated this originally in Rich Text and was informed the file was too
large, so I converted it to plain text in outlook and Microsoft performed
the usual Microsoft Shuffle and totally messed it up, so here is the list
of checkins again:

Stn   NameQTH Rig S/N

W5ETJ GaryTx  K3  3227
W0FM  Terry   MO  K3  4004
W0CZ  KentND  K3   457
W0RSR MikeK2  5767
NT5Q  Don NM  K3  4179
W1ZI  JohnMA  K3  4103
K4GCJ Gerry   NC  K3  1597
K5LAD Jim OK  K3  1068
W4RKS Jim AL  K3  1638
KE4INMJim FL  K3  3307
N1OXA IvanME  K3  4538
W7NMD Palmer  AR  K3  3779
WO1I  DickMA  K3   911
N9EF  Robert  IL  K3  4411
N3FTL Tom PA  FT101B  
KA0NCRArneNE  K3   185
KO5Y  Ken NM  K2  4124
W6VY  Bob CA  K3  2765
N6JW  JohnCA  K3   936
K6LMP Lou CA  K3  3805
W1HFD Ted PA
W8YMO Harry   OH  K3   166
K9RDW Robbie  WI  IC7600  
KI4PQYFrank
W0SZ  Steve   CO  K3   176
N0OER GeneKS  FT890
K2XT  RickNJ  K3  QRP  3814
W4RKS Jim AL  K3   3678

Thanks again for all of the support!  73's, Gary-K7VED

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