Re: [PSES] breakage of the fuse
Yes do the test 3 times to check for repeatable results Sent from my iPhone Peter S. Merguerian pe...@goglobalcompliance.com Go Global Compliance Inc. www.goglobalcompliance.com (408) 931-3303 On Aug 6, 2013, at 8:31 AM, Brian Oconnell oconne...@tamuracorp.com wrote: No From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Boštjan Glavic Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 9:46 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: breakage of the fuse Dear safety experts, During the abnormal tests in primary circuit, internal input fuse operates and glass breaks. However, fuse is inside the tubing and broken glass does not spread around. Would you accept such construction? Best regards, Bostjan SIQ - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] Expert for the Japanese Electrical Appliance and Material Safety Act
Michael Send me the test reports including the Emc reports and I can tell you the delta Sent from my iPhone Peter S. Merguerian pe...@goglobalcompliance.com Go Global Compliance Inc. www.goglobalcompliance.com (408) 931-3303 On Jul 21, 2013, at 11:59 PM, Michael Loerzer loerzer_mob...@globalnorm.de wrote: Hello, we are looking for an expert/consultant for the Japanese Electrical Appliance and Material Safety Act (DENAN Law) especially with a detailed question for electric ovens in acc. to IEC 60335-2-42 and the approval process. You can contact me offline. Best regards Dipl.-Ing. Michael Loerzer Managing Director Regulatory Affairs Specialist Globalnorm GmbH Kurfürstenstr. 112 10787 Berlin Phone +49 30 3229027-51 Cell +49 170 3229027 Fax +49 30 3229027-59 Mailmichael.loer...@globalnorm.de » globalnorm.de Globalnorm GmbH, Sitz der Gesellschaft: Kurfürstenstr. 112, 10787 Berlin Geschäftsführer: Dipl.-Ing. Michael Loerzer Amtsgericht Berlin-Charlottenburg HRB 105204 B, USt-ID-Nummer: DE251654448 Von: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] Im Auftrag von Doug Smith Gesendet: Montag, 22. Juli 2013 02:20 An: Si-List; emc-pstc Betreff: Further investigation about hand-metal ESD Hi Everyone, I just posted my Technical Tidbit for July. Here is the information: Technical Tidbit - July 2013 Human Metal ESD Characteristics, Size of Metal Object (Intensity of ESD from a metal object in a human hand is not significantly affected by the size of the metal object) This month's Technical Tidbit presents data showing that the size of a metal object in a human hand does not strongly affect the intensity of EMI generated by the ESD event. Abstract: The intensity of an ESD event from a human hand is affected strongly by the presence of metal held in the hand. Data is presented to show that the peak amplitude of the EMI generated by a discharge directly from a metal object in a human hand is not strongly affected by the size of the metal object held. Any size piece of metal intensifies the ESD event significantly. The link to the article is: http://www.emcesd.com/tt2013/tt072113.htm Your computer may corrupt the link above by appending [1] to the .htm. Just remove the [1] and the link will work. So far only Windows computers seem to have this problem. Let me know if this occurs on a different operating system. I have not used Windows for over ten years now. Doug -- -- ___ _Doug Smith \ / ) P.O. Box 60941 = Boulder City, NV 89006-0941 _ / \ / \ _TEL/FAX: 702-570-6108/570-6013 / /\ \ ] / /\ \ Mobile: 408-858-4528 | q-( ) | o | Email: d...@dsmith.org \ _ /]\ _ / Web: http://www.dsmith.org -- - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering
Re: [PSES] Looking for an alternative to SII in Israel
Peter The other alternative is Ministry of Industry and Trade application of exemption based on test reports but it may not be available - depends on HS code To get SII you need a person on the ground and who speaks the same language Let me know how I can help Sent from my iPhone Peter S. Merguerian pe...@goglobalcompliance.com Go Global Compliance Inc. www.goglobalcompliance.com (408) 931-3303 On Jul 18, 2013, at 11:42 AM, Peter Tarver ptar...@enphaseenergy.com wrote: Photovoltaic inverters and related equipment. Poor service and lousy communications are leading me to consider a move. Any input will be accepted. Regards, Peter L. Tarver This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not an intended recipient, you may not review, use, copy, disclose or distribute this message. If you received this message in error, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] California Prop 65
Moshe OEHHA is the lead agency for implementation of Proposition 65 (the Safe Drinking Water and Toxic Enforcement Act of 1986, Health and Safety Code section 25249.5 et seq. referred to as Proposition 65 or the Act). As part of its responsibilities related to Proposition 65, OEHHA maintains the regulations implementing the Act. These regulations can be found in Title 27 of the California Code of Regulations, section 25000 through 27000 Best Regards Sent from my iPhone Peter S. Merguerian pe...@goglobalcompliance.com Go Global Compliance Inc. www.goglobalcompliance.com (408) 931-3303 On Jul 11, 2013, at 5:19 AM, Moshe Henig moshe.he...@gmail.com wrote: Hello team, I am looking for California Prop 65 requirements and on which equipment or when it is applied. Can you please advise Thanks Moshe - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
[PSES] 5 M Chanber
Dear All Does anyone have a 5M anechoic chamber for sale? Happy 4th of July to you and your families. Peter Sent from my iPhone Peter S. Merguerian pe...@goglobalcompliance.com Go Global Compliance Inc. www.goglobalcompliance.com (408) 931-3303 - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
[PSES] North American SVT cord vs European PVC sheathed cord
Dear Experts, Is North American SVT type cord lighter or heavier than European ordinary PVC Sheathed cord designated 60227 IEC 53? Thanks in advance, Sent from my iPhone Peter S. Merguerian pe...@goglobalcompliance.com Go Global Compliance Inc. www.goglobalcompliance.com (408) 931-3303 - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] Japan METI Ordinance 1
Tom It is the japanese technical standard used to evaluate products that have no Japanese standards harmonized with the IEC. I am particularly interested in the requirements used to test LED luminaires Sent from my iPhone Peter S. Merguerian pe...@goglobalcompliance.com Go Global Compliance Inc. www.goglobalcompliance.com (408) 931-3303 On Jun 3, 2013, at 3:21 PM, T.Sato vef00...@nifty.ne.jp wrote: On Mon, 3 Jun 2013 09:15:53 -0700, Peter Merguerian pmerguerian2...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi, does anyone know where I can purchase METI Ordinance 1? Can you explain what is the METI Ordinance 1? Regards, Tom -- Tomonori Sato vef00...@nifty.ne.jp URL: http://homepage3.nifty.com/tsato/ - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
[PSES] Japan METI Ordinance 1
Hi, does anyone know where I can purchase METI Ordinance 1? Sent from my iPhone Peter S. Merguerian pe...@goglobalcompliance.com Go Global Compliance Inc. www.goglobalcompliance.com (408) 931-3303 - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
[PSES] FCC and 2.4 Ghz Limits
ISM-2.4 Freq. Range: 2400-2483.5 MHz Bandwidth: 83.5 MHz Max TPO PtM: 30 dBm (1 Watt) Max EIRP PtM: 36 dBm (4 Watts) Max TPO PtP: 30 dBm (1 Watt) Max EIRP PtP: Past 36 dBm EIRP, it's the “add 3, subtract 1” rule. Can someone show me where in the FCC rules I find the above specifications? Peter Merguerian President Go Global Compliance, Inc. 4454 Crabapple Ct. Tracy, CA 95377, USA Tel: (408) 416-3772 Cel: (408) 931-3303 http//www.goglobalcompliance.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] Revisit Old LVD - External PS question
Why deal with two DoCs; one for the power supply (lvd/Emc/rohs) and one for the device (Emc/rohs)? You can declare system (device + external power supply) under one DoC (lvd/Emc/rohs) Sent from my iPhone Peter S. Merguerian pe...@goglobalcompliance.com Go Global Compliance Inc. www.goglobalcompliance.com (408) 931-3303 On May 15, 2013, at 2:49 PM, Brian Oconnell oconne...@tamuracorp.com wrote: As you have stated, an external power supply that can be considered an end-use item is within the scope of the LVD if intended to connect to AC mains. An external DC/DC converter power supply that can be considered an end-use item is not scoped by the LVD, where the input and/or output is not within the scope of the LVD or where the end-use item can be considered Class III construction. The LVD may or may not apply to any equipment connected to the power supply. I, myself, am exempt from RoHS and the LVD. As is my dog. Brian -Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of Carl Newton Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 12:01 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Cc: emcl...@gmail.com Subject: Revisit Old LVD - External PS question I'm opening a very old question here, but I'd like to hear some list member current views concerning the applicability of the LVD to devices that utilize external wall-wort and brick power supplies. In this example, an external brick AC/DC power supply is shipped with a device with in input rating of +15 V dc. Clearly the manufacturer would have to declare the LVD on the product DoC because they become the distributor/importer of the AC/DC power supply within the EU. However, they can rely upon the power supply DoC and CB Report to support their Declaration and technical file. Does the DC rated device also have to be considered to be within the scope of the LVD? The common thinking among many manufacturers in my experience is that the device itself is outside of the scope of the LVD because of the very low voltage input rating. Thanks in advance for any comments/views, Carl - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] Revisit Old LVD - External PS question
Then you are correct lvd is exempt for the dc unit but covered by the GPSD Sent from my iPhone Peter S. Merguerian pe...@goglobalcompliance.com Go Global Compliance Inc. www.goglobalcompliance.com (408) 931-3303 On May 15, 2013, at 3:23 PM, Brian Oconnell oconne...@tamuracorp.com wrote: The D of C and a directive's scope are, much to my chagrin, actually two different issues. I was addressing only the latter. The D of C coverage simply reflects the risk that the supplier wants to assume. Basis for presumption of conformity? - Whatever the signatory wants to defend. Brian -Original Message- From: Peter Merguerian [mailto:pmerguerian2...@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 1:56 PM To: oconne...@tamuracorp.com Cc: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: Revisit Old LVD - External PS question Why deal with two DoCs; one for the power supply (lvd/Emc/rohs) and one for the device (Emc/rohs)? You can declare system (device + external power supply) under one DoC (lvd/Emc/rohs) Sent from my iPhone Peter S. Merguerian pe...@goglobalcompliance.com Go Global Compliance Inc. www.goglobalcompliance.com (408) 931-3303 On May 15, 2013, at 2:49 PM, Brian Oconnell oconne...@tamuracorp.com wrote: As you have stated, an external power supply that can be considered an end-use item is within the scope of the LVD if intended to connect to AC mains. An external DC/DC converter power supply that can be considered an end-use item is not scoped by the LVD, where the input and/or output is not within the scope of the LVD or where the end-use item can be considered Class III construction. The LVD may or may not apply to any equipment connected to the power supply. I, myself, am exempt from RoHS and the LVD. As is my dog. Brian -Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of Carl Newton Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 12:01 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Cc: emcl...@gmail.com Subject: Revisit Old LVD - External PS question I'm opening a very old question here, but I'd like to hear some list member current views concerning the applicability of the LVD to devices that utilize external wall-wort and brick power supplies. In this example, an external brick AC/DC power supply is shipped with a device with in input rating of +15 V dc. Clearly the manufacturer would have to declare the LVD on the product DoC because they become the distributor/importer of the AC/DC power supply within the EU. However, they can rely upon the power supply DoC and CB Report to support their Declaration and technical file. Does the DC rated device also have to be considered to be within the scope of the LVD? The common thinking among many manufacturers in my experience is that the device itself is outside of the scope of the LVD because of the very low voltage input rating. Thanks in advance for any comments/views, Carl - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] NRTL requiring duplicate testing
Christopher No need to repeat 100% dielectric strength testing for Japan PSE . You must provide the importer test records showing test has been performed on 100% production. The importer must retain these records for METI inspection. Peter Sent from my iPhone Peter S. Merguerian pe...@goglobalcompliance.com Go Global Compliance Inc. www.goglobalcompliance.com (408) 931-3303 On Apr 29, 2013, at 4:02 PM, Chris cksal...@yahoo.com wrote: Carl, you not alone dealing with such issues. Similar rules also apply to the PSE marketed wall-wort power supply in Japan. We are also facing 100% dielectric voltage withstand testing be repeated on all in coming power supplies Our porduct is a WiFi a/b/g/n device. I guess the Denon Law prevails and Meti is the agency that is responsible. This process adds cost to our 12Vdc power supply. Labor in Japan is not cheap. Christopher From: Carl Newton emcl...@gmail.com To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 11:54 AM Subject: NRTL requiring duplicate testing Customer has a medical wall-wort power supply that has the typical NRTL (call them NRTL1) safety mark that you’d expect to see on a power supply marketed within the USA. Customer’s entire device is located within the secondary of that wall-wort power supply and includes no connections to other mains connected devices. Now another one of the large well-known NRTLs (I’ll call them NRTL2) which is handling the AAMI 60601-1 project for customer’s end product is requiring that 100% dielectric voltage withstand testing be repeated on the power supplies. The power supply manufacturer has provided sections of their NRTL1 File that details the requirement for 100% testing of their supply in manufacturing as well as the voltage amplitude and duration required. Still, customer’s NRTL2 is demanding that this test be repeated upon 100% of the power supplies at customer’s premises. It appears that I have no choice but to agree to repeat the additional testing. This adds cost to manufacturing and flies in the face of great efforts on the part of American manufacturers that try to keep their operations within the USA by maximizing productivity. I’ve worked on many other projects with wall-wort and external brick power supplies with other NRTLs and this has never been a requirement. I try to keep an open mind even when I’m disagreed with. But I think that this is the first time in my 30ish years of compliance work that I’ve seen engineering judgment completely thrown out the window. I’m interested in other points of view. Carl - - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] protective bonding test at 12V
It does not make a difference. I have also seen standards with 6 V mentioned. I also do not think you will get variations in impedance results if you test inject a current of 5 A, 10 A or as I have seen a manufacturer do it at 40A as they mentioned that a Canadian test organization insisted they do it as part of their production-line tests!!! Sent from my iPhone Peter S. Merguerian pe...@goglobalcompliance.com Go Global Compliance Inc. www.goglobalcompliance.com (408) 931-3303 On Mar 29, 2013, at 10:08 AM, Jose Moreno jose.mor...@alpha.ca wrote: Hello, According to EN 60950, the resistance of the protective bonding conductor has to be measured with a test voltage not greater then 12V. Does anybody have a clue about the rationale for the 12V requirement? If we measure the current and the voltage drop across the bonding conductor, what difference does it make if we use 12V or 24V? Thanks - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
[PSES] ASME
Anyone knows of a laboratory capable of testing to the following standard? ASME B16.20 Sent from my iPhone Peter S. Merguerian pe...@goglobalcompliance.com Go Global Compliance Inc. www.goglobalcompliance.com (408) 931-3303 - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
[PSES] Free Webinar Indian BIS Registration April 11
INDIAN BIS REGISTRATION: Billion People, One Market, One Mandatory Registration! Free Webinar Presented by Go Global Compliance ACADEMY Date and Time: April 11, 2013 at 9:00 a.m. PDT 11:00 a.m. CDT 12:00 p.m EDT Info:http://goglobalcompliance.com/news_and_events Registration:https://attendee.gotowebinar.com/register/1629421605925048832 Sent from my iPhone Peter S. Merguerian pe...@goglobalcompliance.com Go Global Compliance Inc. www.goglobalcompliance.com (408) 931-3303 - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] 60950-1 durability test solvent
Or ask UL where they purchase their stuff! Sent from my iPhone Peter S. Merguerian pe...@goglobalcompliance.com Go Global Compliance Inc. www.goglobalcompliance.com (408) 931-3303 On Mar 26, 2013, at 4:51 PM, John Woodgate j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk wrote: In message cakeaba3xafflqtho3pewvlnfrzyxpxrxkrymvegb1saqus-...@mail.gmail.com, dated Tue, 26 Mar 2013, IBM Ken ibm...@gmail.com writes: If you are doing the label rub test under UL's DAP program I think the headaches involved (from the paperwork, not the fumes) would motivate me to just buy reagent grade Hexane from a chemical supply house Correct, but specify 'n-hexane' as it has several close cousins. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. See www.jmwa.demon.co.uk SHOCK HORROR! Dinosaur-like DNA found in chicken and turkey meals John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] India BIS/DEITY mandatory registration scheme for ITE/AV products
Sudhakar As an expert, can you confirm if data center switches or routers are exempt from the regulations. Some experts say yes regulated, others say not regulated. What is your opinion? Peter Sent from my iPhone Peter S. Merguerian pe...@goglobalcompliance.com Go Global Compliance Inc. www.goglobalcompliance.com (408) 931-3303 On Mar 15, 2013, at 4:54 AM, sudhakar wasnik saloni95...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello Members, Indian has launched mandatory in country testing @ BIS approved laboratories and registration scheme for ITE and AV products ( Scope is limited to certain products) w.e.f April 3, 2013. I am expert in this scheme and if any body needs any kind of assistance in this scheme, Please contact me offline. Regards, Sudhakar Wasnik MS EE, IES - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] AS/NZS 60950.1 - Austrlian safety requirements
Kevin Thanks for the correction. Too many standards to remember and no mobile app yet to facilitate the life of a traveling regulatory compliance professional. Sent from my iPhone Peter S. Merguerian pe...@goglobalcompliance.com Go Global Compliance Inc. www.goglobalcompliance.com (408) 931-3303 On Mar 11, 2013, at 12:36 AM, Kevin Richardson kevin.richard...@ieee.org wrote: Amund, Peter is essentially correct except that he meant to say AS/NS 3820 instead of AS/NZS 3280. Best regards, Kevin Richardson Stanimore Pty Limited Compliance Advice Solutions for Technology (Legislation/Regulations/Standards/Australian Agent Services) Ph: 02-4329-4070 (Int'l: +61-2-4329-4070) Fax: 02-4328-5639 (Int'l: +61-2-4328-5639) Mobile: 04-1224-1620 (Int'l: +61-4-1224-1620) Email:kevin.richard...@stanimore.comorkevin.richard...@ieee.org URL: www.stanimore.com Confidentiality This material (this email including all attachments) may contain confidential and/or privileged information intended to be read or used by the addressees only. If you are not one of the intended recipients or you have received this material in error, any copying, disclosure, distribution, use of or reliance upon this material is prohibited. Please immediately notify Stanimore Pty Limited and delete/destroy all copies (electronic and hardcopy) of this email and all attachments. While the sender tries to ensure the accuracy of the information contained in this material, Stanimore take no responsibility for any actions taken as a result of receiving this material or for any consequence of its use. From: Amund Westin [mailto:am...@westin-emission.no] Sent: Friday, 8 March 2013 8:33 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] AS/NZS 60950.1 - Austrlian safety requirements Is safety testing for Australian market according to AS/NZS 60950.1 mandatory, even if the product is powered with 24VDC? I have been told so …. To be more precise: The product (EUT) gets it power 24VDC/0.1A from an AC/DC (230VAC/24VDC) power supply, which is IEC60950-1 tested and approved (CB scheme). If the EUT has to be tested according to AS/NZS 60950.1, then the Australian requirements differ a lot from the LVD in Europe. Anybody who knows the Australian safety rules? …. Cheers, Amund - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell
Re: [PSES] AS/NZS 60950.1 - Austrlian safety requirements
Amund Power Supply is prescribed and must undergo a certification process. EUT is not perscribed and does not have to undergo a certification process. It must however meet AS/NZS 3280 which is very similar to the LVD. One way to comply is to use a standard such as AS/NZS 60950.1 Best Regards Peter Sent from my iPhone Peter S. Merguerian pe...@goglobalcompliance.com Go Global Compliance Inc. www.goglobalcompliance.com (408) 931-3303 On Mar 8, 2013, at 4:32 AM, Amund Westin am...@westin-emission.no wrote: Is safety testing for Australian market according to AS/NZS 60950.1 mandatory, even if the product is powered with 24VDC? I have been told so …. To be more precise: The product (EUT) gets it power 24VDC/0.1A from an AC/DC (230VAC/24VDC) power supply, which is IEC60950-1 tested and approved (CB scheme). If the EUT has to be tested according to AS/NZS 60950.1, then the Australian requirements differ a lot from the LVD in Europe. Anybody who knows the Australian safety rules? …. Cheers, Amund - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] JATE certificate for Wifi access point
Christopher You need to have unit tested to JATE to gain the approval Sent from my iPhone Peter S. Merguerian pe...@goglobalcompliance.com Go Global Compliance Inc. www.goglobalcompliance.com (408) 931-3303 On Mar 1, 2013, at 1:23 PM, Chris cksal...@yahoo.com wrote: Folks, I need some confirmation from our JATE certification folks for Wifi only device. We have a 802.11 a/b/g/n access point and have got the MIC certification. Our Customer in Japan is asking for JATE certification also. We do not have any telecom ports only 2.4GHz and 5Ghz radios in our device. anyone familar with article 9? Can a US manafacturer apply for JATE certificate as it is not applicable to Wifi device and pay the Jate fees. any REAL Jate experience help is appreceiated. I have spoken to two MIC approved TCB, but still no answer to satisfy my customer in Japan. Regards Christopher 408-470-4915 - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] NRTL North of the 40th parallel
I would think profitability! Sent from my iPhone Peter S. Merguerian pe...@goglobalcompliance.com Go Global Compliance Inc. www.goglobalcompliance.com (408) 931-3303 On Mar 1, 2013, at 7:16 PM, Gartman, Richard rgart...@ti.com wrote: What is driving this practice? Have a great day - Sent from Richard's iPhone On Mar 1, 2013, at 4:25 PM, Peter Tarver ptar...@enphaseenergy.com wrote: In case you haven't seen it yet, an NRTL/SCC lab has instituted invoicing practices where factory product audits will be billed separately for every global region from a financial entity in that region. Your companies will be burdened with having to add additional suppliers to your financial systems in order to pay invoices originating from these international subsidiaries in the local currencies. Caveat emptor, Peter L. Tarver This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not an intended recipient, you may not review, use, copy, disclose or distribute this message. If you received this message in error, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] Russia and factory inspection
Raj, So far there has been no mention of factory audits. However if required, they will accept CIG- 023 factory audit reports from test organizations. Sent from my iPhone Peter S. Merguerian pe...@goglobalcompliance.com Go Global Compliance Inc. www.goglobalcompliance.com (408) 931-3303 On Feb 14, 2013, at 10:00 AM, Raj Shah rs...@clarisonic.com wrote: Ladies and Gentlemen, I understand that Russian Gost mark will now be replaced with a new mark that covers Belarus and Kazak also. Will Russia now require separate factory inspection? Any information will be appreciated for our non-medical household type electrical product. Thanks. Raj Shah, Compliance Engineer R D Engineering Pacific Bioscience Laboratories Products, Inc. 17275 NE 67th Ct Redmond WA 98052 For US MAIL please use PO Box 429 Redmond WA 98073 Direct: 425-952-3816 Main: 425-285-4000 FAX: 425-952-5335 - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
[PSES] Free Wireless Webinar by Go Global Compliance Academy
Dear Members Free Webinar Feb 19: UHF RFID's Global Regional Ruling: the case of different international allocations to short range devices electronic devices When: February 19th, 2013 at 9:00 a.m. PST/ 11:00 a.m. CST/ 12:00 p.m. EST Info: http://www.goglobalcompliance.com/news_and_events To register: https://attendee.gotowebinar.com/register/777936710252181504 - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
[PSES] Webinar
Dear members Anyone in the wireless world is welcome to join this free webinar Free Webinar Feb 19: UHF RFID's Global Regional Ruling: the case of different international allocations to short range devices electronic devices Free Webinar Offered by Go Global Compliance AcademyTM When: February 19th, 2013 at 9:00 a.m. PST/ 11:00 a.m. CST/ 12:00 p.m. EST Info: http://www.goglobalcompliance.com/news_and_events To register: https://attendee.gotowebinar.com/register/777936710252181504 Peter Merguerian President, Go Global Compliance, Inc. +1 (408) 931-3303 - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] Minimum distance 12DC to gorund
Alternatively you can conduct a hipot for operational insulation Sent from my iPhone Peter S. Merguerian pe...@goglobalcompliance.com Go Global Compliance Inc. www.goglobalcompliance.com (408) 931-3303 On Jan 29, 2013, at 12:13 PM, Richard Nute ri...@ieee.org wrote: Hi Amund: Depending on test house acceptance, you can perform a fault test by shorting the 12 V to the safety ground. If the result is no shock hazard (which will be the result), then the Table 2M clearance distances can be ignored (for both SELV and ELV circuits). Best regards, Rich On 1/29/2013 1:52 AM, Amund Westin wrote: An IEC/EN 60950-1 issue Consider a PCB with maximum (secondary) voltage +12VDC. What are the minimum distance between the 12VDC signal traces and the chassis ground /safety ground? Do we talk about Table 2M in IEC60950-1? Because of lack of space, the PCB must maybe be mounted directly to the chassis surface. Best regards Amund - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
[PSES] FCC IC and Product Information
Dear Members How long can we prevent the FCC or IC from releasing any testing/product information to the public? Peter Sent from my iPhone Peter S. Merguerian pe...@goglobalcompliance.com Go Global Compliance Inc. www.goglobalcompliance.com (408) 931-3303 - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
[PSES] Conflict Minerals Due Diligence Webinar
Dear members Regret delay in informing you on this informative webinar tomorrow 9:00 am PST Registration link on my website. www.goglobalcompliance.com/news_and_events Sent from my iPhone Peter S. Merguerian pe...@goglobalcompliance.com Go Global Compliance Inc. www.goglobalcompliance.com (408) 931-3303 - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] Proving UN38.3 certification of common batteries.
In addition different rules for different cities in China! Sent from my iPhone Peter S. Merguerian pe...@goglobalcompliance.com Go Global Compliance Inc. www.goglobalcompliance.com (408) 931-3303 On Dec 18, 2012, at 8:37 PM, Huang, Tim tim.hu...@harman.com wrote: This is true. UN38.3 is for international air fly rule. China has its own regulation for its domestic air fly rule. Regards Tim From: Crane, Lauren [mailto:lauren.cr...@kla-tencor.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 11:51 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Proving UN38.3 certification of common batteries. Richard, Can you say more about “China has added new twist, where manufacturer testing to UN 38.3 is no longer acceptable, it has to be a Chinese national lab and certified.” Do you have a reference to legislation for that? I was asking a similar question of colleagues in China who say that US lab testing to 38.3 would be accepted for getting a Transportation Certificate. Regards, Lauren Crane KLA-Tencor From: Gartman, Richard [mailto:rgart...@ti.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 11:06 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Proving UN38.3 certification of common batteries. All, Thank you for starting this discussion. UN 38.3 is required by ICAO and IATA for air shipments worldwide. US DOT is working on aligning their requirements with this. UN 38.3 does not apply to train, truck, or boat transportation. Unless you make a rechargeable lithium battery that will never, ever be shipped by FedEX or UPS air, then this requirement applies. It is a physical test to ensure the battery does not come apart during shipment and create a hazard. It does not have any product performance requirements in it. China has added new twist, where manufacturer testing to UN 38.3 is no longer acceptable, it has to be a Chinese national lab and certified. ICAO and IATA accept manufacturing test data. No third party required. There are packing and package labeling requirements as well for shipment of rechargeable lithium batteries. another discussion thread. IMHO W. Richard Gartman, MS, CSP Product Stewardship Manager Texas Instruments, Education Technology 13532 N Central Expressway, Dallas, TX 75243 Office: 214-567-7927Email: rgart...@ti.com www.education.ti.com/us/productstewardship www.ti.com/ccr Please consider the environment before printing this email. There is only one earth - don't waste it. Car racing also prepares you for and expects you to live in the moment – perspective comes before and after the race. Preparation equals success. From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Scott Xe Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 10:46 AM To: Crane, Lauren; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: Proving UN38.3 certification of common batteries. Why are the batteries required to supply UN38.3 certification in case of transportation by air to US and China? If they are transported by sea, is this doc required? What is the corresponding requirements for the goods to EU countries? Thanks and regards, Scott On 11/12/12 1:55 AM, Crane, Lauren lauren.cr...@kla-tencor.com wrote: To allow transportation within China, I need to prove the UN38.3 certification of some batteries in replacement parts (e.g., batteries on motherboards). Other conditions prevent me from doing something sensible like removing the batteries prior to shipment and having them installed at destination. It is proving near impossible to get any dialog going with the major battery makers involved. I am almost certain their products must already have this certification because of their global markets. Any ideas on how to get a UN38.3 test report for a common battery that does not require direct communication with the OEM? Regards, Lauren Crane KLA-Tencor - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety
Re: [PSES] Product safety requirements
Dear All I agree with Kevin and would like to add that many States have regulations requiring all electrical/electronic products irrespective of voltage be Listed. Sent from my iPhone Peter S. Merguerian pe...@goglobalcompliance.com Go Global Compliance Inc. www.goglobalcompliance.com (408) 931-3303 On Nov 16, 2012, at 5:33 PM, Kevin Robinson kevinrobinso...@gmail.com wrote: If the product powered from a certified SELV, power limited supply will be used or installed in a workplace in the US, then it is subject to OSHA NRTL approval requirements and the mixer would be required to be certified by an NRTL. OSHA regulations do not provide an exception to the approval requirements based on the voltage/current from an external power supply. If you have any questions, feel free to contact me directly. Kevin Robinson Engineer Senior Auditor OSHA NRTL Program 202-693-1911 robinson.ke...@dol.gov On Nov 16, 2012, at 7:21 PM, Chuck McDowell chu...@meyersound.com wrote: In America, a few years ago at Lucent, we built a DSL device that was remotely powered by a separate power supply with a NEC ANSI/NFPA 70 Class 2 DC output. The power supply had a NRTL safety marking, and as you suggest, the DSL device itself did not carry a NRTL safety mark, only EMC and Fcc approval marks. Chuck McDowell Meyer Sound Laboratories Inc. From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Aldous, Scott Sent: Friday, November 16, 2012 8:36 AM To: Mcburney, Ian; emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: Product safety requirements You would need to make sure that the output of the power supply is a Limited Power Source in order to deal with fire hazards. The nameplate output ratings are necessary but insufficient information to determine if a fire hazard may be present. Also, it is possible that your regulators (maybe just the boost) could produce voltages internally that would be considered a shock hazard, which would require evaluation of the output circuits as SELV. There are a wide variety of DC/DC converters commercially available that have SELV inputs and SELV outputs which nonetheless still have 3rd party safety certifications. You should be able to find a certified one OTS (or multiple converters) that will work for you if you don’t want to deal with the certification piece yourself. Maybe that defeats the purpose of what you are trying to do since you could just as easily find OTS certified AC/DC power supplies. Technical considerations aside, you could always run into trouble with any given local authority or customs official wanting to see certification on your mixer, not just on the power supply that connects to it or that it ships with. Also, you should be aware that most notebook power supplies nowadays have more than just the power output pins – they have feedback signals that are intended to keep the supplies in a low power consumption mode when the computer is in the off state in order to comply with various efficiency regulations. If you don’t provide the right signal, you won’t get power out of them. Scott Aldous Compliance Engineer AE Solar Energy +1.970.492.2065 Direct +1.970.407.5872 Fax +1.541.312.3832 Main scott.ald...@aei.com 1625 Sharp Point Drive Fort Collins, CO 80525 www.advanced-energy.com/solarenergy From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Mcburney, Ian Sent: Friday, November 16, 2012 8:24 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Product safety requirements Dear Colleagues We are a manufacturer of audio mixing consoles with a range that varies from A4 size up to large 2m long 2 man lift consoles. Most have internal ac/dc power supplies. We are researching changing the way we power are future products to rationalise the psu range as worldwide approval costs increase. One of the options is to purchase 60-80W PC laptop power supplies and power the smaller mixers from the DC output of the external laptop supply. The DC output voltage from a laptop PSU is typically 19V. However; most mixers require typically +/-15V, +10V +48V internal voltage rails. We propose to buck regulate the +/-15V and +10V rails boost the +48V rail from the 19V DC input. If the total power consumption of the mixer was no more than 80W and the +48V was current limited to no more than 1 Amp, would the mixer require approval testing for north America or any other country as the input voltage would only be 19V DC. Obviously the external ac to dc laptop power supply would have all the necessary approvals; probably to IEC60950 and be class 1 construction. Your opinions would be appreciated. Thank you in advance; Ian McBurney Design Engineer Allen Heath Ltd Kernick Industrial Estate Penryn, Cornwall TR10 9LU United Kingdom +44 (0)1326 370121 ian.mcbur...@dmh-global.com www.allen-heath.com A DMH Pro Company. -
Re: [PSES] Lithium Button Cell Transporation in China
China lithium battery transportation requirements must be tested in-country by authorized labs. Sent from my iPhone Peter S. Merguerian pe...@goglobalcompliance.com Go Global Compliance Inc. www.goglobalcompliance.com (408) 931-3303 On Nov 9, 2012, at 11:31 AM, Crane, Lauren lauren.cr...@kla-tencor.com wrote: Does anyone know what requirements apply to the transportation by air in China of lithium button cells installed in equipment ? I have one Chinese regulation à “Administrative Provisions on Transport of Dangerous Goods by the Civil Aviation of China” (“中国民用航空危险品运输管理规定”), which defines dangerous goods as “articles or substances which possess danger to the health, safety, property or environment, specified in the listing of dangerous goods of the Technical Instructions, and classified pursuant to the Technical Instructions. Technical Instructions refers to the current Technical Instructions for the Safe Transport of Dangerous Goods by Air (Doc9284-AN/905) promulgated by the International Civil Aviation Organization, including the supplements and any appendix thereto approved and published by decision of the Council of the International Civil Aviation Organization.” According to the 2011 version of ICAO Doc 9284-AN/905 button cell batteries in equipment (including on circuit boards) are excluded from the general lithium battery transportation requirements in the document. Particularly Packing Instruction 967 and 970. Which seems to imply they are out of scope also of the Chinese regulation. However, there is also the Chinese standard MH/T 1020-2009, “Standard for transport of 1ithium batteries by air” (组电池航空运输规范) which does not acknowledge any button cell exclusions. Any ideas? If in scope, the requirement would be for the button cell to be certified to UN38.3. Is it even possible to buy a button cell these days that does not meet this standard? Regards, Lauren Crane KLA-Tencor - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] Regulatory requirements for a scanning electron microscope in Canada
Michael, Sounds like CAN / CSA C22.2 61010-1 Best Regards Sent from my iPhone Peter S. Merguerian pe...@goglobalcompliance.com Go Global Compliance Inc. www.goglobalcompliance.com (408) 931-3303 On Oct 28, 2012, at 2:39 PM, Michael Loerzer loerzer_mob...@globalnorm.de wrote: Hi, does anybody a clue which regulatory requirements are applicable for a scanning electron microscope (SEM) for analytical applications in Canada. Best regards Dipl.-Ing. Michael Loerzer Managing Director Regulatory Affairs Specialist Globalnorm GmbH Kurfürstenstr. 112 10787 Berlin Phone +49 30 3229027-51 Cell +49 170 3229027 Fax +49 30 3229027-59 Mailmichael.loer...@globalnorm.de » globalnorm.de Globalnorm GmbH, Sitz der Gesellschaft: Kurfürstenstr. 112, 10787 Berlin Geschäftsführer: Dipl.-Ing. Michael Loerzer Amtsgericht Berlin-Charlottenburg HRB 105204 B, USt-ID-Nummer: DE251654448 - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] Standard for water hoses
For flammability apply UL 746C depending on proximity to ignition sources. Also simulate leaks or hose coming off the connections. If there is a risk of shock as a result of the hose leaking you may wish to redesign by having some form of barrier or double fixation method. Best Regards Sent from my iPhone Peter S. Merguerian pe...@goglobalcompliance.com Go Global Compliance Inc. www.goglobalcompliance.com (408) 931-3303 On Oct 23, 2012, at 5:35 PM, IBM Ken ibm...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Brian! I had a sneaking suspicion that article from the Dell guy would pop up. I was more hoping to find a UL standard for water hoses. UL and CSA don't seem to have any standards that cover just plain water hose. I thought something might turn up in the plumbing department, but no such luck. They have standards for LP gas hoses, hard-use firefighting hoses, high pressure air hose, flexible metal hose, etc. All of these have requirements way too strict to allow passage of a simple water hose operating at relatively low pressures. I was hoping they would have a basic hose standard just simply covering working pressure, construction, and maybe a flammability test. I am currently trying to talk UL into agreeing to write a construction report and doing a flame test. Part of my problem is that the hose is a non-homogeneous product, so we're trying to apply VW-1 from UL 1581, which all agencies are heistant to apply to a non-cabling product. Thanks, -Ken On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 3:57 PM, Brian Oconnell oconne...@tamuracorp.com wrote: PSEN Vol3 No4, Dec 2007 Check PAGs and CTL notices. And your corporate name-sake should have some internal docs on this construction. Brian -Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of IBM Ken Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 12:32 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Standard for water hoses Hello! Are there any standards (I'm interested in Product Safety Standards from UL, CSA, the IEC, or EN standards) covering water-carrying hoses? I am looking for something that covers flammability, construction, pressure rating, etc. The end product is a piece of ITE certified to 60950-1, if that matters. Thanks! -Ken - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:
Re: [PSES] What's the deal with Wire Nuts?
David Probably not Listed and/or not properly crimped with the proper tools and/or not suitable for the number of wires or wire gauge sizes. Best Regards Sent from my iPhone Peter S. Merguerian pe...@goglobalcompliance.com Go Global Compliance Inc. www.goglobalcompliance.com (408) 931-3303 On Oct 9, 2012, at 6:11 AM, Schaefer, David dschae...@tuvam.com wrote: After pulling this out of a piece of equipment, I have serious doubts about the long term use of wire nuts. http://s139.photobucket.com/albums/q296/user/?action=viewcurrent=2012-10-08185745.jpg David Schaefer Senior EMC Engineer TÜV SÜD America Inc Office: 651 638 0251 Cell: 612 578 6038 Fax: 651 638 0285 -Original Message- From: Doug Powell [mailto:doug...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, October 08, 2012 10:45 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] What's the deal with Wire Nuts? At the risk of redundancy, I would like to re-open a question from 2008 What's the deal with Wire Nuts? http://www.mail-archive.com/emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org/msg56599.html The original discussion seems to track well with my own opinion on the use of these wiring devices, but this is based my opinion. I am aware of many American appliance manufacturers who use these devices and still obtain their safety certifications. It is my *opinion* that any equipment destined for the European market should not use these devices but I cannot find any direct prohibition on their use. The IPC 620 standard may have limits but this is more like a workmanship standard. Several reasons might be used to prohibit their use: 1) Temperature ratings 2) Secondary securement of conductors 3) Insufficient coverage of bare metal parts and resulting electrical tape used (creepage problem) 4) No limit to the number of conductors 5) Over/Under twisting of the connector 6) Metallic insert or non-metallic This time around my context is equipment that falls under the scope of IEC 61010-1 and its derivatives. Has anyone seen a definitive answer to this question? -- Thanks, -doug Douglas E Powell doug...@gmail.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/dougp01 - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] Meaning of opposite polarity in IEC 61010-1 Ed. 3
Mic Between L N Sent from my iPhone Peter S. Merguerian pe...@goglobalcompliance.com Go Global Compliance Inc. www.goglobalcompliance.com (408) 931-3303 On Sep 27, 2012, at 11:43 AM, Nic Johnson njohn...@nceelabs.com wrote: Edition 3 of IEC 61010-1 added the following line to Section 9.6.1; “A minimum of BASIC INSULATION is required between MAINS-connected parts of opposite polarity on the supply side of the overcurrent protection device.” Does anyone know what “opposite polarity” is supposed to mean in this context? It doesn’t appear to be in reference to DC voltage or plugs. Does this refer to multi-phase system only? Any clarifications or interpretations would be appreciated. Nic Johnson NCEE Labs 402-323-6233 - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] Importers in Argentina and Mexico
Ken Inmetro is Brazil and not Argentina. The cert can be issued in the manufacturer's name. For Mexico, we can provide you local rep services for both NOM and Cofetel. Best Regards Sent from my iPhone Peter S. Merguerian pe...@goglobalcompliance.com Go Global Compliance Inc. www.goglobalcompliance.com (408) 931-3303 On Sep 21, 2012, at 11:59 AM, IBM Ken ibm...@gmail.com wrote: Are there companies in Argentina and Mexico who will serve as a manufacturer's importer (for purposes of INMETRO and NOM certification)? Does anyone have specific pointers to any companies that do this? Thanks -Ken - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
[PSES] Compliance Marks in Vector
Dear All, Are there any good resources to purchase worldwide homologation Marks for safety, emc, environmental, and wireless in Vector format? Thanks Sent from my iPhone Peter S. Merguerian pe...@goglobalcompliance.com Go Global Compliance Inc. www.goglobalcompliance.com (408) 931-3303 - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
[PSES] 3 Meter Chamber
Dear All, Any used 3 meter chambers available for sale? Please contact me. Sent from my iPhone Peter S. Merguerian pe...@goglobalcompliance.com Go Global Compliance Inc. www.goglobalcompliance.com (408) 931-3303 - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] OSHA - NRTL audit question
Brian Could it be that the NRTL you visited recently hired the other NRTL staff member? Sent from my iPhone Peter S. Merguerian pe...@goglobalcompliance.com Go Global Compliance Inc. www.goglobalcompliance.com (408) 931-3303 On Jul 3, 2012, at 9:55 AM, Brian Oconnell oconne...@tamuracorp.com wrote: Was at an NRTL/CAB site yesterday. Noted a small group lurking - assessment engineer said they were part of an OSHA audit team. I recognized one member of the audit team from another NRTL down the road. Does the U.S. OSHA use NRTLs to audit each other? Brian - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] Chinese UL?
Gary Yes CQC is the certification body for the China CCC Mark and they do cover medical products. They do accept CB Report/Cert but they like to control components unless they are CCC certified. EMC and safety construction evaluation is typically tested in-country at CQC authorized government labs. Best Regards, Peter Sent from my iPhone Peter S. Merguerian pe...@goglobalcompliance.com Go Global Compliance Inc. www.goglobalcompliance.com (408) 931-3303 On Jun 18, 2012, at 7:00 PM, McInturff, Gary gary.mcintu...@esterline.com wrote: Does CCC handle medical products – large X-ray machines and the like, or does China allow the use of a CB report. One of our program manages has been asked to get samples ready for “Chinese UL” and that the samples don’t have to be final versions, just maybe electrical prototypes. I know that UL has offices in China, but those are nothing more than an extension of the US offices. Do you think the customer might mean CCC? I’m confused. China isn’t part of the EU so I don’t believe they accept CB reports for safety, but I think UL does have country deviations for China – so maybe they do. But in either case sending non-functioning prototypes mechanical or electrical doesn’t match up in any case I can think of. This is a Chinese Manufacturer but I think we having some difficulties with the language. Can anybody straighten me out a little here. Gary McInturff Reliability/Compliance Engineer Esterline Interface Technologies Featuring ADVANCED INPUT, MEMTRON, and LRE MEDICAL products 600 W. Wilbur Avenue Coeur d’Alene, ID 83815-9496 Office:208-635-8306 Cell: 509 868 2279 Toll Free: 800-444-5923 X 1238 gary.mcintu...@esterline.com www.esterline.com/interfacetechnologies Technology, Innovation, Performance... - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] ETL Listed/certification
Eunice This certification is provided by Intertek. It refers to US and/or Canadian certification. You should be able to get a quote from your local Intertek office in the UK Best Regards Sent from my iPhone Peter S. Merguerian pe...@goglobalcompliance.com Go Global Compliance Inc. www.goglobalcompliance.com (408) 931-3303 On Jun 11, 2012, at 10:52 PM, euniceyang eunicey...@cem-international.co.uk wrote: Dear All I have a client needs ETL certification, anyone knows about this certification. Regards Eunice 2012-06-12 CEM International Ltd The Atrium Business Centre Curtis Road Dorking Surrey RH4 1XA Tel: +44 (0)1306 646388 Fax: +44 (0)1306 646389 Email: eunicey...@cem-international.co.uk Website: www.cem-international.co.uk This message is intended only for the use of the person(s) (Intended Recipient) to whom it is addressed. It may contain information, which is privileged and confidential. Accordingly any dissemination, distribution, copying or other use of this message or any of its content by any person other than the Intended Recipient may constitute a breach of civil or criminal law and is strictly prohibited. If you are not the Intended Recipient, please contact the sender as soon as possible. CEM International Ltd is a company Limited by Shares. Registered in England No: 4513974. Registered Office: The Atrium Business Centre, Curtis Road, Dorking, Surrey RH4 1XA 发件人： Ken Wyatt 发送时间： 2012-06-12 01:51:32 收件人： EMC-PSTC 抄送： 主题： Re: [PSES] Continuation of Troubleshooting Kit Contents (Emissions) Thanks Ralph. Check out the article and you'll see a comparison to the FCC F-33-1 probe. Link: http://www.interferencetechnology.com/the-hf-current-probe-theory-and-application/ Cheers, Ken ___ Kenneth Wyatt Wyatt Technical Services LLC Woodland Park, CO Email Me! | Web Site | Blog The EMC Blog (TM World) Subscribe to Newsletter Connect with me on LinkedIn On Jun 11, 2012, at 10:32 AM, ralph.mcdiar...@schneider-electric.com wrote: I liked the DIY clamp-on probe idea. ___ Ralph McDiarmid | Schneider Electric | Solar Business | CANADA | Regulatory Compliance Engineering From:Ken Wyatt k...@emc-seminars.com To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Date:06/11/2012 09:20 AM Subject: [PSES] Continuation of Troubleshooting Kit Contents (Emissions) Hi All, I just published a continuation of the contents of my EMC troubleshooting kit used for emissions testing. This installment covers more on current probes, more on spectrum analyzers and a couple low-cost broadband preamps I found useful. http://www.tmworld.com/blog/The_EMC_Blog/41832-An_EMC_Troubleshooting_Kit_Part_1b_Emissions_.php Feel free to add your own experiences and tools in thecomments section. Cheers, Ken ___ Kenneth Wyatt Wyatt Technical Services LLC Woodland Park, CO Email Me! | Web Site | Blog The EMC Blog (TM World) Subscribe to Newsletter Connect with me on LinkedIn __ This email has been scanned by the Symantec Email Security.cloud service. __ - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules:
[PSES] Stability Tests
Dear Group Members Would appreciate if someone could summarize the Stability Test requirements between the following standards: UL/IEC/EN 60950-1 UL/IEC/EN 61010 UL/iEC/EN 60355-1 Thanks Peter Sent from my iPhone Peter S. Merguerian pe...@goglobalcompliance.com Go Global Compliance Inc. www.goglobalcompliance.com (408) 931-3303 - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
[PSES] Moldova for ITE
Dear group members I am wondering of there are mandatory requirements for a data center ethernet switch (not connected to the telecom network$ for Moldova today and whether the SM Mark for such a switch with certification body number is required. I have been getting conflicting information from Moldova. Thanks Sent from my iPhone Peter S. Merguerian pe...@goglobalcompliance.com Go Global Compliance Inc. www.goglobalcompliance.com (408) 931-3303 - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] Lithium Batteries and EMC
Bob, Many smart battery manufacturers test for EMC and safety taking on due diligence even though in many cases the batteries are custom made to be part of an end-product or system. Sent from my iPhone Peter S. Merguerian pe...@goglobalcompliance.com Go Global Compliance Inc. www.goglobalcompliance.com (408) 931-3303 On Jun 8, 2012, at 9:00 AM, rehel...@mmm.com wrote: I noticed a lithium battery with a CE marking on it. Is EMC part of that CE Mark? Are there any EMC standards/requirements for smart batteries? Thanks, Bob Heller St. Paul, MN 55107-1208 Tel: 651-778-6336 Fax: 651-778-6252 - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] C-tick declaration
Tim Yes it is subject to Australian C-tick Declaration including other Australian regulations for consumer products Best Regards Sent from my iPhone Peter S. Merguerian pe...@goglobalcompliance.com Go Global Compliance Inc. www.goglobalcompliance.com (408) 931-3303 On Jun 4, 2012, at 3:38 AM, Huang, Tim tim.hu...@harman.com wrote: Hi All, I have a passive earphone which has left and right speaker, but the earphone has a remote control board to control your device volume, play and pause, mostly like iPhone’s earphone. Can you please tell me if the product has to subject C-tick certification? Thanks a lot. Regards Tim - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] Machinery Directive silly question?
Mark, You need to do a comprehensive risk assessment and determine if the risk of injury to persons using or servicing the equipment is more mechanical or more electrical. You may have a moving part that is inside the equipment and inaccessible. How fast is that moving part? How is it secured? Is it accessible to a service person? Can the interlock of access doors be defeated? Lots and lots of questions that your engineering team need to ask before deciding which Directive must be applied. Best Regards Peter Sent from my iPhone Peter S. Merguerian pe...@goglobalcompliance.com Go Global Compliance Inc. www.goglobalcompliance.com (408) 931-3303 On Apr 30, 2012, at 6:11 AM, Mark Hone mh...@wellmandefence.co.uk wrote: Dear Colleagues, I know that you are all patient with what might seem silly questions, so I hope you'll be patient with mine. I have not had to consider the Machinery Directive before, but a new electrical product has a moving part in it. It's a wholly enclosed (inaccessible in the middle of the equipment) fan that blows air through the equipment (not a cooling fan). The MD defines machinery: an assembly, fitted with or intended to be fitted with a drive system... consisting of... components, at least one of which moves, and which are joined together for a specific application. So the silly question is, if the moving part is wholly contained within the equipment and is inaccessible, does the MD apply or do I apply the LVD? I have Googled this question and have found references that say the MD does apply (it's the enclosure that makes the moving part safe), and references that say the MD does not apply (as the moving part is wholly internal, one doesn't need to even consider it). I strongly suspect the former statement is the correct one. Your authoritative opinions are sought! With thanks in anticipation, Mark -- Mark Hone HESS Manager Wellman Defence Limited Dolphin House Williams Road Portsmouth Hampshire PO3 5FP T: +44 (0)23 9262 9239 F: +44 (0)23 9269 7864 E: mh...@wellmandefence.co.uk W: www.wellmandefence.co.uk Wellman Defence is a limited company registered in England and Wales. Company Registration No. 953609 Registered Offices: Wellman International Ltd., Newfield Road, Oldbury, West Midlands, B69 3ET, England. The contents and any attachments to this email include information that is private and confidential and should only be read by those persons to whom they are addressed. Wellman Defence Limited accepts no liability for any loss or damage suffered by any person arising from the use of this email. Neither Wellman Defence Limited nor the sender accepts any responsibility for viruses and it is your responsibility to check the email and attachments (if any). If you received this mail in error, please destroy and delete the message from your computer. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] Machinery Directive silly question?
Nick Thanks for the update. I have been away from the machinery world for some time now. Best Regards Sent from my iPhone Peter S. Merguerian pe...@goglobalcompliance.com Go Global Compliance Inc. www.goglobalcompliance.com (408) 931-3303 On Apr 30, 2012, at 1:24 PM, Nick Williams nick.willi...@conformance.co.uk wrote: This is incorrect. This approach was permitted by 98/37/EC but 2006/42/EC no longer permits this kind of analysis. Regards Nick. On 30 Apr 2012, at 18:33, Peter Merguerian wrote: Mark, You need to do a comprehensive risk assessment and determine if the risk of injury to persons using or servicing the equipment is more mechanical or more electrical. You may have a moving part that is inside the equipment and inaccessible. How fast is that moving part? How is it secured? Is it accessible to a service person? Can the interlock of access doors be defeated? Lots and lots of questions that your engineering team need to ask before deciding which Directive must be applied. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] 答复: Low voltage DC electrical wire and cables require CCC approval?
Paul and Chuck, To be 100% sure, best is to submit the cord set specs to CQC with intended application and HS code and hear back from them. It will save you much headache down the road. Peter Merguerian pe...@goglobalcompliance.com (408) 931-3303 Sent from my iPhone Peter S. Merguerian pe...@goglobalcompliance.com Go Global Compliance Inc. www.goglobalcompliance.com (408) 931-3303 On Apr 23, 2012, at 12:31 AM, Paul Wang paulw...@gmcompliance.com wrote: Chuck, According to the voltage, it should be outside of CCC category. But if you want to be 100% sure, you still need to check the standard. The corresponding IEC standards are IEC60227-3/-4/-5/-6/-7 and IEC 60245-3/-4/-5/-6/-7. Some of the GB standards have no corresponding IEC standard so it’s difficult to check. Paul Wang 发件人: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] 代表 Tyra, John 发送时间: 2012年4月23日 7:01 收件人: 'Chuck McDowell'; emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org 主题: RE: Low voltage DC electrical wire and cables require CCC approval? For audio video products we were only required to have a CCC certified power cord. They did not seem to care about low voltage cables……. From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Chuck McDowell Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 5:19 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Low voltage DC electrical wire and cables require CCC approval? I am writing to ask for help in identifying if a cable carrying 48VDC at 2A maximum current will require a CCC certified cable. The cable is used to interconnect a AC line to DC power supply to a 48VDC speaker. The cable does not run inside a wall or other building construction. The cable similar to a AC wall wart output supplying 48 VDC. I understand CCC controls these 5 categories of Electrical wires and cables. 0101: Cord sets 0102: Flexible rubber-sheathed cables for mining purposes 0103: Insulated cables (wires) for railway vehicles of rated voltage up to and including 3kV 0104: Rubber insulated cables of rated voltages up to and including 450/750V 0105: Polyvinyl chloride insulated cables of rated voltages up to and including 450/750V I am failing to understand where the lower limit is for these types. Do all current carrying conductors with a insulation surrounding in China require CCC approval? Can you direct me to the document , GB standard or law that specifies the lower limits of the above electrical wires and cables or is this found in a clause of my GB 8988;2001 (IEC60065;1998) standard? Thank you in advance, Chuck McDowell NOTICE: This email may contain confidential information. Please see http://www.meyersound.com/confidential/ for our complete policy. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee
Re: [PSES] PSES - Chicago Chapter Meeting
John Is it an all-day event? Do you have the agenda? Peter Sent from my iPhone Peter S. Merguerian pe...@goglobalcompliance.com Go Global Compliance Inc. www.goglobalcompliance.com (408) 931-3303 On Apr 18, 2012, at 2:11 PM, jral...@productsafetyinc.com jral...@productsafetyinc.com wrote: Hi, If you’re in the Chicago area next week, we’re having a meeting on April 25, 2012 at our facility in Bensenville, IL. The presentation is on Functional Safety. Let me know and I’ll send the announcement. Best Regards, John Allen President Product Safety Consulting, Inc. 605 Country Club Drive, Suites I J Bensenville, IL 60106 P - 630 238-0188 / F - 630 238-0269 1-877-804-3066 jral...@productsafetyinc.com http://www.productsafetyinc.com Although PSC maintains the highest level of virus protection, this e-mail and any attachments should be scanned by your virus protection software. It is the responsibility of the recipient to check that it is virus free. PSC does not accept any responsibility for data loss or systems damage arising in any way from its use. This message is confidential and intended only for the individual to whom or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient or addressee, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the addressee, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying, in whole or part, of this message is strictly prohibited. If you believe that you have been sent this message in error, please do not read it. Please immediately reply to sender that you have received this message in error. Then permanently delete all copies of the message. Thank you. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] Color of Mains Wiring
Scott, No requirements for internal wires other than green yellow which must be used for grounding All the Best Peter Sent from my iPhone Peter S. Merguerian pe...@goglobalcompliance.com Go Global Compliance Inc. www.goglobalcompliance.com (408) 931-3303 On Apr 6, 2012, at 5:01 PM, Scott Douglas sdoug...@radiusnorth.net wrote: For ITE (60950-1) and A/V (60065) products a question of color came up today. I told an ODM they had to use Brown (Line), Blue (Neutral), and Green/Yellow (PE) colors for AC Mains wiring inside the product. They replied that the current standard does not require Brown and Blue. I looked in my several years old copies of the standards (UL, CSA, IEC) and the only color I can find is Green/Yellow for Protective Earth. For years I have been requiring and getting AC Mains within a product to be Brown, Blue, Green/Yellow. For whatever reason, this just that way it was and everybody knew it and used those colors. Since I cannot find that requirement in either of the standards, can anyone tell my why I have been insisting on them all these years? Where does the requirement come from? BFIF, I also recall that UL accepts Brown, Blue, and Green/Yellow within domestic products. So where does that that allowance/acceptance come from? This is not for external power cords, but hook-up wire inside the product. I am looking for page, paragraph, and rule - something in writing just so I know that I have not been on the happy wagon all these years. Here's to hoping someone can tell me I have not been dreaming all this time. Regards, Scott - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
[PSES] FCC Part 90 Consultant
Dear All, Any gurus out there for FCC Part 90 consulting? Peter Sent from my iPhone Peter S. Merguerian pe...@goglobalcompliance.com Go Global Compliance Inc. www.goglobalcompliance.com (408) 931-3303 - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] A Machine or not A Machine!
Dear All, I agree with Doug's quick assessment of the standards but more details of the system are required. Here in North America we have various standards that may be applied to this type of system. For example, if transport system is a conveyor, we have standards for conveyor systems. If transport system is functioning like a robot, we have robotic standards. Best Regards Peter Merguerian Sent from my iPhone Peter S. Merguerian pe...@goglobalcompliance.com Go Global Compliance Inc. www.goglobalcompliance.com (408) 931-3303 On Mar 1, 2012, at 9:09 AM, Doug Nix d...@mac.com wrote: Kim, IMO, in Canada the electrical portion of the machinery would need to meet the Canadian Electrical Code (CEC), Part 1, CSA C22.1 and whichever parts of Part 2 were applicable. This would probably include CSA C22.2 #14 for industrial control panels, but depending on the details of the equipment could include other Part 2 standards. The machinery safety aspects would be covered by CSA Z432-04 (R2009), and you could bring in ASME B20.1 for conveyors, but that would be optional. A Risk Assessment would be required under CSA Z432, but you can use any methodology that meets ISO 12100:2010. Regarding the x-ray machine, it would need to meet CAN/CSA-C22.2 NO. 61010-1-04 (R2009) - Safety Requirements for Electrical Equipment for Measurement, Control, and Laboratory Use OR CAN/CSA-C22.2 NO. 61010-2-081-04(R09) - Safety Requirements for Electrical Equipment for Measurement, Control, and Laboratory Use - Part 2-081: Particular Requirements for Automatic and Semi-Automatic Laboratory Equipment for Analysis and Other Purposes (Adopted CEI/IEC 61010-2-081:2001, first edition, 2001-12, including Amendment 1:2003) depending on which scope fits the product most closely. If there will be less than 200 units per year exported to the Canadian market, I suggest you use an Accredited Inspection Body to conduct Field Evaluation of the product wither in Europe or at a receiving warehouse in Canada. The product must bear a recognized Canadian electrical safety mark. As for the USA, the National Electrical Code (NEC) and the UL versions of the 61010 standards would likely apply. Field Evaluation can be conducted by a Nationally Recognized Testing Laboratory (NRTL). You can find inspection bodies that are accredited in both the US and Canada, and therefore have one inspection and label the product for both markets. -- Doug Nix Compliance InSight Consulting Inc. Office: (519) 650-4753 Mobile (519) 729-5704 Skype: cic-inc Request a meeting: http://tungle.me/dougnix d...@complianceinsight.ca On 1-March-2012, at 11:05, Kim Boll Jensen wrote: Hi all I have a machine which is a combination of a transport system for meat and an x-ray test instrument for measuring the meat quality. For EU it would be natural to use EN 60204 for the complete product, but what about outside EU? I was looking at EN/UL 61010 since it is a measuring instrument, but how would US and Canada look at the transportation system? Best regards, Mr. Kim Boll Jensen Bolls Aps Ved Gadekæret 11F DK-3660 Stenløse Phone: +45 48 18 35 66 k...@bolls.dk www.bolls.dk - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org
Re: [PSES] Is this common knowledge - Electrical Ratings
The radio, emc and rating markings are needed to be harmonized between countries so manufacturers can minimize the space on their labels. Currently what most manufacturers do is hire my services to find them the most common denominator. They then design label skews to meet their marketing requirements. Ratings are required in the same way as most of us have a passport or two. Same with equipment. They may be good for one country but as they get hauled to different countries (my friends move around a lot), they must use precautions to use the proper adaptor or not. Best Regards Peter Sent from my iPhone Peter S. Merguerian pe...@goglobalcompliance.com Go Global Compliance Inc. www.goglobalcompliance.com (408) 931-3303 On Jan 28, 2012, at 12:39 PM, Richard Nute ri...@ieee.org wrote: Hi Peter: I believe rating markings, energy efficiency ratings, EMC and Radio markings should be harmonized worldwide and governments/regulators should be involved to train consumers the meaning these markings. As a consumer, why do I need to know the meaning of EMC and Radio markings? As a consumer, I only need to know efficiency ratings at the time I choose the appliance/equipment. Such ratings need not be a permanent part of the equipment, but can be on a disposable tag. There is no post-purchase need for such data. As a consumer, I simply plug the equipment into the wall outlet. The equipment is pre-configured for voltage and is provided with the proper plug for my house. I don't need to know voltage, current, watts, or frequency ratings of the equipment. If a house circuit-breaker trips when I turn on my equipment, I may need to know the current or power rating of my equipment in order to balance the load on the circuit. So, who are the rating markings for? The certifiers and regulators. The ratings could just as well be in the accompanying documents. Best regards, Rich ;-) - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] Is this common knowledge - Electrical Ratings
Rich and all I believe rating markings, energy efficiency ratings, EMC and Radio markings should be harmonized worldwide and governments/regulators should be involved to train consumers the meaning these markings. There is no reason why one country requires the ratings to be in traditional Chinese, another in simplified Chinese, another requiring comma instead of decimal hence two ratings, etc. I just checked the label on my new TV and it has so many markings and characters that is making me very dizzy. My old TV label is so much less populated and more readable. Sent from my iPhone Peter S. Merguerian pe...@goglobalcompliance.com Go Global Compliance Inc. www.goglobalcompliance.com (408) 931-3303 On Jan 27, 2012, at 12:46 PM, Richard Nute ri...@ieee.org wrote: My nifty Samsung TV is rated 100-240, 50/60 Hz. Per the discussion here: 100-240 indicates a continuous range; 50/60 Hz implies two discrete switchable ranges. As mentioned in this discussion, 50/60 implies a range of frequencies between 50 and 60 where the TV would not operate. Of course, as everyone recognizes, there is no switch for frequency. And, the TV would operate at any frequency between 50 and 60. Even among ourselves (product safety professionals), we do not apply the rating markings consistently. There is no justification for expecting the user to distinguish between a - and a /. The user buys an appliance locally, and it comes with a cord an plug for local use. The markings are not read prior to installation. Neither do the installation instructions instruct the user to check the ratings before installation. The manufacturer does this for the user by shipping a fully configured product to the retailer. Table lamps don't have rating markings. What, then, is the value of the ratings markings? For that matter, what is the safety function of the ratings markings? Finally, for whom are the rating markings intended? Best regards, Rich ps: My wife's Pfaff sewing machine has two ratings: 120 V, 50/60 Hz certified by UL and CSA. 220-240 V, 50/60 Hz certified with CE and others. The ratings are distinctly separate, but on the same label. No switch. Its quite clear the unit operates 120-240 and 50-60. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
[PSES] Japan and IP Phones
Dear Members Has anyone heard of new requirements for IP phones in Japan this year? Sent from my iPhone Peter S. Merguerian pe...@goglobalcompliance.com Go Global Compliance Inc. www.goglobalcompliance.com (408) 931-3303 - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
[PSES] Zigbee EU Power Limit
Dear Group Members, Can you help to define what the power transmit level for a zigbee 2.4Ghz DSSS device for the EU? There are those that say it is 100 mW and there are those that say it is 10 mW. Thanks and Happy New Year Peter Merguerian Go Global Compliance Inc. pe...@goglobalcompliance.com (408) 931-3303 www.goglobalcompliance.com Sent from my iPhone - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] Orgalime: UL an effective barrier to trade
Rich and All, We already have CB on components such as component ITE power supplies. Since CB does not involve factory audits, the end product certification body requires the component be subjected to it's follow-up audits. So yes we need components covered under CB but better yet is we can harmonize the factory audits so they do not get inspected again and again. Happy Holidays Peter Merguerian pe...@goglobalcompliance.com Go Global Compliance Inc. www.goglobalcompliance.com (408) 931-3303 Sent from my iPhone On Dec 23, 2011, at 2:00 PM, Richard Nute ri...@ieee.org wrote: I think a UL or CSA or VDE, etc recognized part should be acceptable by any and all agencies. At least safety-critical aspects of its construction are controlled by 3rd party and therefore subject to regular audit. UL, CSA, and VDE each have their own component standards -- which are not necessarily harmonized. So, they will not accept each others safety determinations. I don't think this will happen until we come up with a CB scheme for components. Best wishes for the holiday season, Rich - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] Japan's PSE Safety Requirements
Don You probably fall under PSE circle Mark depending on the exact nature of your product. Under PSE circle, there is no certification requirements. You will need to assemble a technical file to show compliance with the safety/emc requirements to Japanese standards harmonized with IEC standards. Let me know if you have additional questions Peter Merguerian pe...@goglobalcompliance.com Go Global Compliance Inc. www.goglobalcompliance.com (408) 931-3303 Sent from my iPhone On Dec 13, 2011, at 6:36 PM, DG Clayton dclay...@nccn.net wrote: Wondering if there are any exemptions to the PSE certification process namely for professional-use video/audio equipment sold for studio or broadcast applications. Thanks in advance and Best Regards, Don Clayton - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] Japan's PSE Safety Requirements
Whoever is interested I have many postings regarding the PSE Mark in my blog: www.globalcompliance.blogspot.com. You will need to search for Japan. One thing to remember is that yes there are exemptions. These depend on the input voltage and type of product. Happy Holidays Peter Merguerian pe...@goglobalcompliance.com Go Global Compliance Inc. www.goglobalcompliance.com (408) 931-3303 Sent from my iPhone On Dec 13, 2011, at 7:16 PM, Ted Eckert ted.eck...@microsoft.com wrote: I apologize for the double message, but I took a look at METI's site and found that their English translation is much better than the last time I looked. You can find the translated law itself which may give more information than UL's simple presentation. http://www.meti.go.jp/english/policy/denan/procedure/index.htm Ted Eckert Compliance Engineer Microsoft Corporation ted.eck...@microsoft.com The opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer. -Original Message- From: Ted Eckert [mailto:ted.eck...@microsoft.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 4:00 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: Japan's PSE Safety Requirements Hello Don, A/V equipment falls under the category Non-Specified Products which required the circled PSE mark. You can find more information here. http://data.ul.com/denan/EDocs/scheme.html Filing the Business Commencement Report with METI is probably the most complicated part of the work. Ted Eckert Compliance Engineer Microsoft Corporation ted.eck...@microsoft.com The opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer. -Original Message- From: Peter Merguerian [mailto:pmerguerian2...@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 3:54 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: Japan's PSE Safety Requirements Don You probably fall under PSE circle Mark depending on the exact nature of your product. Under PSE circle, there is no certification requirements. You will need to assemble a technical file to show compliance with the safety/emc requirements to Japanese standards harmonized with IEC standards. Let me know if you have additional questions Peter Merguerian pe...@goglobalcompliance.com Go Global Compliance Inc. www.goglobalcompliance.com (408) 931-3303 Sent from my iPhone On Dec 13, 2011, at 6:36 PM, DG Clayton dclay...@nccn.net wrote: Wondering if there are any exemptions to the PSE certification process namely for professional-use video/audio equipment sold for studio or broadcast applications. Thanks in advance and Best Regards, Don Clayton - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used
Re: [PSES] Safety requirements for batteries in Mobile Phones
Charlie, Cell phone batteries have specific requirements depending on country. For example, In Brazil cell phones batteries are regulated by Anatel and must pass very stringent requirements. Best Regards Peter Merguerian pe...@goglobalcompliance.com Go Compliance Inc www.goglobalcompliance.com (408) 931-3303 Sent from my iPhone On Dec 12, 2011, at 1:47 PM, Charlie Blackham char...@sulisconsultants.com wrote: Group. I have a typical Li-Ion 3.7V 1.4 Ah mobile phone battery, and am trying to identify compulsory and recommended safety requirements . . . . “IATA Guidance Document Transport of Lithium Metal and Lithium Ion Batteries (2010)” appears compulsory Are UL1642 / IEC62133 recommended / optional / required under certain circumstances? Anything else required. Regards Charlie Charlie Blackham Sulis Consultants Ltd Tel: +44 (0)7946 624317 Web: www.sulisconsultants.com Registered in England and Wales, number 05466247 - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] NOM-121 approved labs
Richard, UL CCS, Cetecom and NTS (soon to be certified) - all three California labs Peter Merguerian pe...@goglobalcompliance.com (408) 931-3303 www.goglobalcompliance.com Sent from my iPhone On Dec 6, 2011, at 3:08 PM, Gartman, Richard rgart...@ti.com wrote: Opportunity to share: Regarding NOM-121, what labs are have been approved? I am looking for the names of labs that could do Wi-Fi product testing that is acceptable to COFETEL. Regards W. Richard Gartman, MS, CSP Product Stewardship Manager Texas Instruments, Education Technology 12500 TI Boulevard, Dallas, TX 75243 Office: 972-917-1636 Email: rgart...@ti.com www.education.ti.com/us/productstewardship www.ti.com/ccr Please consider the environment before printing this email. There is only one earth - don't waste it. Car racing also prepares you for and expects you to live in the moment – perspective comes before and after the race. Preparation equals success. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
[PSES] USB powered Lithium Battery Charger
Dear All For a 5 vdc USB powered lithium battery charger, is iec 60950-1 the appropriate safety standard or iec 60335-2-29? The charger is intended to charge the battery located on a bicycle frame. Also, what are the applicable North American and EU standards applicable for this battery charger? Thanks, Peter Sent from my iPhone - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
[PSES] GPS Receivers
Many countries do not regulate GPS receivers. Interested to know which countries, such as the EU Member States, that do regulate GPS receivers. Sent from my iPhone - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] Nicaragua
Bob You need to get hold of Sent from my iPhone On Nov 28, 2011, at 8:27 AM, rehel...@mmm.com wrote: Does anyone have information on 2.4 GHz radio requirements for Nicaragua? A search on the internet finds a lot of ham stuff but not much else. Thanks Bob Heller St. Paul, MN 55107-1208 Tel: 651-778-6336 Fax: 651-778-6252 - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] Nicaragua
Bob You need to get hold of Normativa Tecnica no. 001-2006 to access the info for 2.4 Ghz, 5 Ghz and 900 MHz. If you have specific questions, we offer a research service Best Regards Peter Merguerian pe...@goglobalcompliance.com www.goglobalcompliance.com (408) 931-3303 Sent from my iPhone On Nov 28, 2011, at 8:27 AM, rehel...@mmm.com wrote: Does anyone have information on 2.4 GHz radio requirements for Nicaragua? A search on the internet finds a lot of ham stuff but not much else. Thanks Bob Heller St. Paul, MN 55107-1208 Tel: 651-778-6336 Fax: 651-778-6252 - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
[PSES] Japan and STM-1
Does anyone know if STM-1 is regulated in Japan? Peter Sent from my iPhone - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: Australia C-Tick and safety requirements
For safety, this is not a perscribed equipment and therefore does not require a safety approval from a state authority However, the product must still comply with the Australia safety requirements in AS/NZS 60950.1. This standard is harmonized with IEC60950-1 so if you comply with the standard and its' Austrlia devioations, you're good to go. Peter Merguerian --- On Fri, 2/20/09, Dan Roman dan.ro...@dialogic.com wrote: From: Dan Roman dan.ro...@dialogic.com Subject: Australia C-Tick and safety requirements To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Date: Friday, February 20, 2009, 7:23 AM Hello all, I’m passing along two questions for a friend that I cannot answer because they are outside of my product area of expertise. The product in question is a passive line filter for use with a PC. It contains overvoltage and line filtering components (some coils, caps, and MOVs). 1. Does the C-Tick mark for non-telecom equipment require both EMC and safety declarations? I know that for the telecom equipment my company produces, the ACA requires telecom, safety, and EMC (A-tick and C-tick) but I don’t know if the safety portion is a telecom specific requirement or not. If the answer is the C-Tick is for EMC only, are there other requirements for safety or other marks that would apply to this product in Australia? I am sure there must be. 2. Does a passive device like this fall under EMC requirements? CISPR 22/EN55022 don’t specify a lower frequency limit exempting products, so this passive line filter connected to a 50 Hz supply would appear to need testing. Everything I deal with has clocks in excess of 1 GHz these days so this question never came up where I work! It is always interesting getting questions outside of your normal day to day experience. -- Dan Roman, N.C.E. Product Regulatory Engineer Dialogic Research Inc. 1515 State Rt. 10 Parsippany, NJ 07054-4538 *mailto:dan.ro...@dialogic.com mailto:dan.ro...@intel.com (Voice: +1 973-967-6485 Fax: +1 973-967-6262 Intranet: http://compliance.eicon.com/ http://compliance.py.intel.com/ Internet: http://www.dialogic.com htt ://www.intel.com/design/network/products/telecom/index.htm - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com
RE: Australia C-Tick and safety requirements
Dan, You will need to consult the Electrical Safety Act 2002 Non-prescribed electrical equipment A person who sells non-prescribed electrical equipment must comply with section 120 of the Regulation. Generally speaking all non-prescribed electrical equipment must comply with the safety criteria of AS/NZS3820 (Essential safety requirements for low voltage electrical equipment). This would include, but not be limited to: ·a test report showing compliance to the relevant Australian product standard; ·if no relevant Australian product standard exists, a test report showing compliance to another relevant standard such as AS/NZS3350.1, AS/NZS60335.1 or AS/NZS 3100; ·a certificate of approval issued as per relevant Australian/NZ legislation; ·another method consistent with clause 5 of AS/NZS 3820 Equipment listed in schedule 3 of the Regulation which does not meet the regulatory definitions of AS/NZS 4417.2 Appendix E is non-prescribed. For example: ·appliance connectors or cord extension sockets that fall within the scope of AS/NZS3123; ·plugs or socket-outlets within the scope of AS/NZS 3131; ·cord extension sockets and outlet devices with a rating greater than 20A; ·television receivers without a single cathode tube, such as plasma screen and LCD devices; and ·water heaters with a capacity less than 4.5l or greater than 680l, or instantaneous types that do not have live parts in contact with the water. Electrical installations Some equipment through a process of onboard electrical work and manufacture, conducted by appropriately qualified persons who ensure the final assembly is electrically safe, become an electrical installation. Examples include, but are not limited to: ·a refrigeration system that is build onboard with a separate compressor connected to one or more condenser units in one or more cooled cavities (freezer, ice maker or fresh food refrigerated compartments); or ·a power supply system/battery charger manufactured onboard using a transformer, separate rectification assembly and separate voltage regulation parts. Individual pieces of electrical equipment that make up the installation may be either prescribed or non-prescribed and each should be managed accordingly. Any additional info, you should be able to consult Electrical Safety Office Telephone: 1300 650 662 Telephone (outside Queensland): 07 3225 2000 Email: equipmentsaf...@deir.qld.gov.au Best Regards, Peter --- On Fri, 2/20/09, Jim Robson jrob...@zetron.com wrote: From: Jim Robson jrob...@zetron.com Subject: RE: Australia C-Tick and safety requirements To: pmerguerian2...@yahoo.com, EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG, Dan Roman dan.ro...@dialogic.com Date: Friday, February 20, 2009, 8:46 AM Peter, I have been researching this issue also. Can you tell me what Australian document says that C-tick marked ITE (non-Telco) equipment must comply (and/or be tested to) with AS/NZS 60950? The Telecommunications Labelling (Customer Equipment and Customer Cabling) Notice 2001 definitely calls out AS/NZS 60950 for Telco equipment. The Radiocommunications Labeling (EMC) Notice 2008 which covers ITE does not call out AS/NZS 60950. You also wrote does not require a safety approval from a state authority. Do mean AS/NZS 60950 testing must be done at an approved lab and then cite AS/NZS 60950 on the Declaration of Conformity? Regards, Jim Robson From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of peter merguerian Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 7:43 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG; Dan Roman Subject: Re: Australia C-Tick and safety requirements For safety, this is not a perscribed equipment and therefore does not require a safety approval from a state authority However, the product must still comply with the Australia safety requirements in AS/NZS 60950.1. This standard is harmonized with IEC60950-1 so if you comply with the standard and its' Austrlia devioations, you're good to go. Peter Merguerian --- On Fri, 2/20/09, Dan Roman dan.ro...@dialogic.com wrote: From: Dan Roman dan.ro...@dialogic.com Subject: Australia C-Tick and safety requirements To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Date: Friday, February 20, 2009, 7:23 AM Hello all, I’m passing along two questions for a friend that I cannot answer because they are outside of my product area of expertise. The product in question is a passive line filter for use with a PC. It contains overvoltage and line filtering components (some coils, caps, and MOVs). 1
RE: IEC acceptance of component guidelines require CB Licensing of components.
Dear All, Some countries like China, Taiwan and Korea require additional testing on some components if they are not additionally in country certified or CB certified. In most cases, it is the ac/dc power supply and dc/dc convertors which is an issue, but recently Chinese government labs are becoming more strict on components and are requiring samples for additional testing on dc fans and other such components!!! Peter --- On Wed, 2/11/09, Ted Eckert ted.eck...@microsoft.com wrote: From: Ted Eckert ted.eck...@microsoft.com Subject: RE: IEC acceptance of component guidelines require CB Licensing of components. To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Date: Wednesday, February 11, 2009, 8:30 AM Hello Ted, I would go as far to say that UL International is asking for too much if they are requiring a CB Certificate for any component. You need to demand a rational for this request. UL and VDE approval should be sufficient to demonstrate compliance to the necessary standards. IEC 60950-1 typically requires that some components comply with either the relevant IEC standard or they must be verified for construction and performance with the final product. My experience with VDE is that they when they approve a component or product, they review it against the international IEC version and the EN version with European national deviations. As such, a VDE certificate alone should be sufficient if UL is testing your product to grant a CB report. The member countries of the CB Scheme typically have national variations of IEC 60950-1 allowing their national standards to be used for components in addition to the IEC standards, but I do not know of a case where a national variation prohibits using compliance to the IEC standards. National variants, such as UL 60950-1, typically have national deviations allowing components to be tested to national standards. If UL is testing your product for UL Listing, then the UL approval on the filter should be sufficient. There are only a few components, such as plugs, which typically must conform to the national standards for the countries in which they will be sold even when they are part of a product being tested for a CB report. However, I do not see a line filter as typically being part of this category. I encourage list members to let me know if I am incorrect or if they know of exceptions. Ted Eckert Compliance Engineer Microsoft Corporation ted.eck...@microsoft.com The opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer. From: Pickard, Ron [mailto:ron.pick...@intermec.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 8:10 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: IEC acceptance of component guidelines require CB Licensing of components. Indeed, I have also seen many CB reports including components without their own CB docs. Those components are typically found in the critical components list of a CB report and are usually have demonstrable compliance to an international safety standard (UL even accepts UL compliance in some cases), in which I have never seen any reference to a component¢s CB certificate. We do not know what types of components are in question so we cannot give better advice, but a voice conversation with that UL certifier is recommended. IHTH. Best regards, Ron Pickard ron.pick...@intermec.com mailto:ron.pick...@intermec.com From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Petrie, Craig D Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 9:19 AM To: Carr, Ted; emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: IEC acceptance of component guidelines require CB Licensing of components. Ted, By CB license I assume you mean CB certificate. CB certificates are generally not required for components used for building in. I have seen many IT products achieve CB certification using AC filters which do not have a CB certificate. Indeed I was not aware, and do not believe, it is possible to obtain a CB certificate for such a component. Regards, Craig From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Carr, Ted Sent: 11 February 2009 14:55 To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: IEC acceptance of component guidelines require CB Licensing of components. Hi, I'm in the process of renewing a CB License for an ITE Terminal and in the final
RE: Switching Transformer Safety Standards
Brian, I agree with Ted, but replace the standard with IEC/EN/UL 61010-1 (your end product standard). There is no reason to abide by other standards unless the 61010-1 standard refers to another standard. Best Regards, Peter --- On Wed, 1/28/09, Ted Eckert ted.eck...@microsoft.com wrote: From: Ted Eckert ted.eck...@microsoft.com Subject: RE: Switching Transformer Safety Standards To: Kunde, Brian brian_ku...@lecotc.com, EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Date: Wednesday, January 28, 2009, 3:07 PM Hello Brian, These are some general guidelines and are not necessarily complete. You should be able to have the transformer evaluated under 60601 as part of your product. You will need to obey all of the creepage, clearance and insulation thickness requirements of 60601. You will also need to consider any required electric strength test from primary to secondary. Additionally, consider the maximum temperature expected when selecting your insulation materials. How you construct the transformer will depend on the type of bobbin you intend to use. I presume the bobbin selection will be based on a trade-off of cost, size and efficiency. If the transformer can be large an inefficient, the safety will likely be easier to manage. I realize that a lot of what I stated may be obvious, but it covers a lot of the basics of switch-mode transformer safety. The devil is in the details. Verifying all of the required parameters on a small transformer can be difficult as there can be many creepage paths. With a 2 kW output power, I presume that this won¢t be a small transformer. Ted Eckert Compliance Engineer Microsoft Corporation ted.eck...@microsoft.com The opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer. From: Kunde, Brian [mailto:brian_ku...@lecotc.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 2:01 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Switching Transformer Safety Standards Greetings Transformer Experts, We need to design a custom switching transformer that runs at 25kHz, modulated 230VAC mains input and 4kVrms (.5A) output as part of a 4KV HV power supply. We want to design and test this transformer properly for safety so can anyone give us a list of construction and/or safety standards to cover UL, CSA, Europe and any international IEC requirements? We are not experts in the world of specialty transformer safety and usually rely on the manufacture for construction information but in this case we would like to get more involved with the details and knowing what standards to design to would be very helpful. The end product will be used in a piece of laboratory equipment. (61010-1). Thank you and best regards, The Other Brian _ LECO Corporation Notice: This communication may contain confidential information intended for the named recipient(s) only. If you received this by mistake, please destroy it and notify us of the error. Thank you. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list
Re: New Turkey Requirement
This is not new. Turkey has for many years ollowed the EU guidelines for CE Markings and DoC. They must be enforcing it now for FRU apparatus. One exception is wireless/telecom homologations - Turkey still requires approvals by their telecom/radiocom regulator Best Regards, Peter --- On Fri, 1/23/09, emcp...@aol.com emcp...@aol.com wrote: From: emcp...@aol.com emcp...@aol.com Subject: New Turkey Requirement To: emc-p...@ieee.org Date: Friday, January 23, 2009, 4:22 PM Hello group, Have anyone heard of a new requirement by Turkey start this month for CE? They are asking to have CE DoC for all sub-assemblies (Field Replaceable Units) example is memory DIMMs, SFP's, PCI cards etc. that are used in network servers or appliances. This is based on EMC directive which was released in 2004. Thanks, Tim Pierce TAP Engineering Know Your Numbers: Get tips and tools http://www.walletpop.com/credit/credit-reports?ncid=emlcntuswall0002 to help you improve your credit score. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com
EMC/Telecom Engineer Position at TUV Rheinland of North America, Pleasanton, CA
TUV Rheinland of North America is currently seeking an EMC/Telecom Engineer to help support the EMC and Telecom Divisions at our Pleasanton, CA location. The candidate will possess the following skill set and knowledge: Scope of Position The professional engineering staff member shares in the responsibility to further company growth and profitability. Under general supervision, he/she may supervise the work of technicians and he/she performs tests to certification of equipment to applicable emc standards and procedures and advises customer of non-compliance or issues compliance certificate. This position requires specialized knowledge, the ability to work independently and consistent exercise of discretion and sound judgment. Job Duties/ Responsibilities * Independently evaluates, selects and applies standard engineering techniques, procedures and criteria * Devises new approaches to problems * Schedules and coordinates projects * Consults with clients, pre-evaluates projects and reviews job cost and duration * Expands client base by following marketing leads and offers other TUV Rheinland services to client base * Investigates to international standards * Prepares for, assists with, performs or supervises laboratory tests * Generates and revises test reports and documentation * Sets cost limits * Reports time and money spent on an on-going basis for billing purposes * Keeps all client information confidential * Performs other related duties and assignments as required Education Training * Bachelor Degree in Engineering * Basic EMC/Telecom training * Good communication, customer relations and project acquisition skills * Minimum 2 years related EMC specific workplace experience Anyone interested in bthis position, can e-mail me their resume Best Regards, Peter http://media.monster.com/jobview_standard/images/pixel.gif - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com
Re: C-Tick mark on spares?
Jim, Below is part of the exemptions from the new labelling notice. 7 A spare part that has: (a) identical specifications to the device it is to replace; or (b) the same radiofrequency emission characteristics as that device 8 A component, except a component that is an assembly of components that forms part of a finished device 9 A device that is for incorporation into another device and is not to be supplied to an end-user. From these exemptions I would say that the chassis that is a replacement does not need its own C-Tick as long as it not sold as a separate product. Please let me know if I can help you further with Australian and/or New Zealand or other dcountry regulations. You can e-mail me direct at my TUV Rheinland address pmerguer...@us.tuv.com or call me at (925) 249-9123 Extension 134 Thanks, Peter --- On Thu, 1/15/09, Knighten, Jim L jim.knigh...@teradata.com wrote: From: Knighten, Jim L jim.knigh...@teradata.com Subject: C-Tick mark on spares? To: emc-p...@ieee.org Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 10:09 AM I have a question about the c-tick mark for Australia and New Zealand. My company’s hardware products are typically racks of IT equipment that are largely integrations of other companies’ products, i.e., servers, switches, storage, UPS, etc. We test and apply the c-tick mark on our products on the product label on our rack. Some of our individual chassis have a c-tick mark and some do not (either the chassis manufacturer does not apply for c-tick, or it is a chassis that we make that is only sold as a component in the overall product). Regarding spares: If we ship spare chassis as a replacement into a c-tick country, does that chassis need its own c-tick mark? Or, is having a c-tick mark on the larger product that encompasses the chassis sufficient? I appreciate your collective wisdom and experience. Jim __ James L. Knighten, Ph.D. EMC Engineer Teradata Corporation 17095 Via Del Campo San Diego, CA 92127 858-485-2537 – phone 858-485-3788 – fax (unattended) - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com
Re: SASO
Jason and All, Happy New Year You are correct. Saudi Arabia has abolished the ICCP program. Regarding the current procedure, you can refer to this document http://globalcompliance.blogspot.com/search?q=saudi+arabia Refer to: Kingdom of Saudi Arabia CoCs - New Regulations http://globalcompliance.blogspot.com/2 08/05/kingdom-of-saudi-arabia-cocs-new.html A CB cert or report is not good enough for the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. You need a CoC from a registered certification body. That certification body does review the technical file (available test reports against SASO standards and Saudi deviations) and if satisfactory, issues a CoC for each shipment to the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. For the CoC, you will need the commercial invoice from the exporter to the Saudi Arabian importer. Like other countries with CoC procedures, Saudi customs can pick samples at the port and test in-country to SASO standards. Let me know how I can help with any of your global requirements. Best Regards, Peter --- On Tue, 1/6/09, Jason Chesley jason.ches...@csa-international.org wrote: From: Jason Chesley jason.ches...@csa-international.org Subject: SASO To: emc-p...@ieee.org Date: Tuesday, January 6, 2009, 12:05 PM All I understand that the International Conformity Certification Program (ICCP) has been eliminated as of August 2004 in accordance with WTO accession requirements. I believe the previous ICCP program was managed exclusively by Intertek but it is my understanding that the ICCP document is no longer necessary. Refer to the following WTO document, paragraph 197, item ii, for details. http://www.wto.org/english/news_e/pres05_e/wtaccsau61_e.doc Accordingly, During a transitional period, the conformity certificate should be issued by an entity authorized by the competent official agency in the country of origin. Such conformity certificates should accompany all consignments of imported goods certifying their conformity to the established mandatory standard (technical regulation). The certificate should confirm that these goods were subjected to regular laboratory examination under supervision of the competent control agency in the country of origin. Does anyone have current experience with Saudi Arabian customs still enforcing the previous ICCP program? Or are you understanding that a conformity certificate from a competent authority from the country of origin such as a CB certificate can accompany each shipment? Any insight, corrections, details would be appreciated. Best regards, Jason L. Chesley CSA International 2210 Justin Trail Alpharetta, GA 30004 P: (678) 992-0134 F: (770) 500-3948 jason.ches...@csa-international.org www.csa-international.org This message is intended only for the use of the person or organization to which it is addressed, and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or responsible for delivering the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by email and delete the original message immediately. The sender, its subsidiaries and affiliates, do not accept liability for any errors, omissions, corruption or virus in the contents of this message or any attachments that arise as a result of e-mail transmission. Thank you. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety
Re: Fax machines in Russia
Nick, Go to: http://globalcompliance.blogspot.com Insert Russia in the search You will com up with Russia - Standards Search Engine Click on that link and you can find Russian Standards by Standard # , if known, or by title (keywords) or by OKP Custom Code (Russia code equivalent to HS code). If you search by title and insert information technology you will end up with all the relevant safety, emc and other standards that may be applicable. Regarding PSTN telecom connection and or wireless, you will need to to refer to http://globalcompliance.blogspot.com insert Russia in the Search engine and Russia -Telecom / Radiocom Regulations and Specifications link. Unfortunately, the site is Russian and you will need to get some help with translation Best Regards, Peter --- On Thu, 12/11/08, Nick Williams nick.willi...@conformance.co.uk wrote: From: Nick Williams nick.willi...@conformance.co.uk Subject: Fax machines in Russia To: emc-p...@ieee.org Date: Thursday, December 11, 2008, 7:49 AM Please can anyone advise me how to identify and obtain copies of the standards which apply for fax machines in Russia? Thanks and regards Nick. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com
Re: UL 60950 preliminary inspection / design review
Dear Mr Balasubramanian, Looks like you need to try and use another National Recognized Test Laboratory (NRTL). Have you tried TUV Rheinland - the North American office is NRTL accredited by OSHA and Standards Council of Canada - Out of 19 countries in Asia, TUV Rheinland has 8 offices in India with test laboratory capabilities for world markets. http://www.tuv.com/in/en/regional_offices.html Best Regards, Peter Merguerian --- On Thu, 11/6/08, kbalasubraman...@scmmicro.co.in kbalasubraman...@scmmicro.co.in wrote: From: kbalasubraman...@scmmicro.co.in kbalasubraman...@scmmicro.co.in Subject: UL 60950 preliminary inspection / design review To: emc-p...@ieee.org Cc: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Date: Thursday, November 6, 2008, 6:45 AM Dear Experts, We submit most of products to UL for 60950 listing. Almost 95 % of our products are UL listed. We find it very difficult to complete the cycle. Many times we come across situations that the parts used are not meeting UL spec. and a redesign is inevitable. This further complicates the things and delay the cycle. We look for some consultants who can help us by participating from the design review stage itself. The most sad part is many times we submit the product to UL for preliminary inspection during the proto stage and UL (India office located at Bangalore) gives pass report. Then we go for pilot production (simultaneously we initiate procurement for mass production also) and submit the pilot samples to the same UL office for final certification. At this time UL is coming with new findings and ultimately product fails to get UL listing. All the times I am sure that there is no difference between the proto samples and pilot samples. Mostly some resistor values get changed between proto and pilot. It is not clear to me whether it is the competence issue at UL India or UL is greedy in money making. I look for advise from the experts of this forum. I have been told that UL Taiwan is more proficient in 60950 standard. Is this true? Sincerely SCM Microsystems (India) Pvt. Ltd. K. Balasubramanian Modules 0506, 0507 0508, D – Block, Manager – Hardware South Wing, TIDEL Park, Tel : +91 44 42931391 #4, Rajiv Gandhi Road,(formerly Canal Bank Road) Fax :+91 44 22540029 Taramani, Chennai – 600113. India E-mail:kbalasubraman...@scmmicro.co.in Web : http://scmmicro.com ‘This email and any attachment may contain confidential information and are intended solely for the use of the named recipient(s). If you have received this information in error, you are prohibited from reading, copying, distributing and using the information. If you are not a named addressee or otherwise an intended recipient you are requested to immediately notify the sender and to delete this email and all attachments from your system.’ - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org
Re: 13.56 MHz RFID for India
Not allowed but special permission may be granted by the WPC depending on the power levels. Each case is considered separately. Peter Merguerian --- On Mon, 11/3/08, rehel...@mmm.com rehel...@mmm.com wrote: From: rehel...@mmm.com rehel...@mmm.com Subject: 13.56 MHz RFID for India To: emc-p...@ieee.org Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 2:43 AM I am aware that 865-867 MHz RFID is allowed in India and it does not require a license. Does anyone know if 13.56 MHz is an allowable RFID frequency for India? Thank you, Bob Heller 3M EMC Laboratory, 76-1-01 St. Paul, MN 55107-1208 Tel: 651- 778-6336 Fax: 651-778-6252 - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Re: PSE approval of wall wart PSU.
Ian, Yes, this is correct. The importer must also be registered with METI and their name or code in Japanese or English characters (as registered in METI) must be adjacent to the PSE Mark inclduing the logo of the certification bosy who granted the PSE Mark cert. The importer must also hold a certificated copy of the PSE Mark cert. You need to obtain a certified copy of this cert from the power supply vendor who orders it from the METI authorized certification body - then send it to your importer for their files. They must also hold records of the manufacturer's production-line tests If you do a search for PSE Mark in this blog http://globalcompliance.blogspot.com you will get additional information regarding the Mark and the duties of the importer. Best Regards, Peter --- On Mon, 9/22/08, McBurney, Ian [Allen Heath UK] ian.mcbur...@allen-heath.com wrote: From: McBurney, Ian [Allen Heath UK] ian.mcbur...@allen-heath.com Subject: PSE approval of wall wart PSU. To: emc-p...@ieee.org Date: Monday, September 22, 2008, 2:27 AM Dear colleagues; We are shipping a “wall wart” style psu bought in from a separate supplier with one of our own products. Our distributor in Japan requires the psu to be PSE marked. The supplier of the psu has modified the psu rating label with the PSE diamond and also put on the name of our distributor in Japan . Is this correct? Are we required to name the Japanese distributor of our product on the psu? If we have more than one distributor in Japan , do we have to put both names on the label or have separate labels. I look forward to you advice. Thanks; Ian McBurney. Allen Heath Ltd. email:ian.mcbur...@allen-heath.com P Please consider the environment - do you really need to print this email? ***LEGAL DISCLAIMER*** This Email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual to whom or the entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender immediately. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this email are those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Allen Heath Limited. This email has been checked for the presence of viruses using Sophos AV Scanner. Anti-virus updates are downloaded on a daily basis . The recipient should also check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. Allen Heath Limited accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted via this email. This email has been sent from Allen heath Limited, registered in England, reg. no:4163451. VAT Number GB 876 3336 94. Registered Address: Kernick Industrial Estate, Penryn, Cornwall. UK. TR10 9LU. *** - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Re: IEC/EN standards for cables/cords
John, First and foremost you need to check your product specific standard to determine if it references other standards which might address outdoor requirements If there is no reference to another standard, I would pick a standard such as the IEC 60 335-2 series and particularly for equipment that you know is being used outdoors; this could be a standard for swimming pool accessory equipment or a fountain pump or other similar product used outdoors. Surely these standards will address outdoor requirements and the wiring/cabling for limited power outputs. Peter --- On Mon, 9/8/08, Radomski, John john.radom...@philips.com wrote: From: Radomski, John john.radom...@philips.com Subject: IEC/EN standards for cables/cords To: emc-p...@ieee.org emc-p...@ieee.org Date: Monday, September 8, 2008, 9:52 AM Group, Which IEC/EN standard should be used to select outdoor (exposure to sunlight, rain, etc.) cables/cords, for supplying SELV, limited power, to an outdoor equipment? Thank you and Regards. John Radomski Senior Compliance Engineer Philips PSSL The information contained in this message may be confidential and legally protected under applicable law. The message is intended solely for the addressee(s). If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, forwarding, dissemination, or reproduction of this message is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by return e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Re: Rostest test requirements
Kim Boll, Rostest is a certifier and does not issue standards. To specify the applicable Russian regulatory requirements you have to identify the product type in accordance with the Russian coding system. There is a published list in Russian which refers to OKP Russian coding system and the applicable GOST standards. Can someone direct us to the link to this published list on the Gosstandart Russian website? If you know the OKP code relating to your product, you can determine the applicable Russian standards Peter --- On Sun, 9/7/08, Kim Boll Jensen k...@bolls.dk wrote: From: Kim Boll Jensen k...@bolls.dk Subject: Rostest test requirements To: EMC PSTC emc-p...@ieee.org Date: Sunday, September 7, 2008, 2:30 AM Hi all Can someone tell me what the test requirements are for Rostest for lab equipment. We have the electrical safety part OK, but what about clima and vibration and EMC. Where can I find specific data on standards and if accredited test are required. Best regards, Mr. Kim Boll Jensen Bolls Rådgivning Ved Gadekæret 11F DK-3660 Stenløse Denmark T: +45 48 18 35 66 F: +45 48 18 35 30 k...@bolls.dk www.bolls.dk - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Re: UL Recognized Component
Grace, Check this link http://database.ul.com/ gibin/XYV/cgifind.new/LISEXT/1FRAME/srchres.html You will still need the Conditions of Acceptability from Formosa - first few pages of the UL Recognition Report to determine the limitations of use Best Regards, Peter --- On Mon, 9/8/08, Grace Lin graceli...@gmail.com wrote: From: Grace Lin graceli...@gmail.com Subject: UL Recognized Component To: emc-p...@ieee.org Date: Monday, September 8, 2008, 6:11 AM Dear Members, Can someone direct me URLs to find information for UL recognized components? More specifically, is MH29816 a valid UL recognized Li-on battery? If yes, is there any possibility to find its test report online? Thank you very much. Best regards, Grace Lin - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Re: CCC Requirements for Harnesses and Manuals
Manual must be simplified Chinese Labels must have Chinese characters for rating, model, product name Mains Power cord set (mains to appliance inlet) must be CCC certified Internal wiring can be UL or IEC, but because you have a jacketed cord maybe they will accept only IEC (depends on the lab you are using and their decision). You may wish to appeal and get an official answer from the certification body. Are you using CQC to get CCC? Peter --- On Mon, 8/25/08, Petrie, Craig D cp185...@ncr.com wrote: From: Petrie, Craig D cp185...@ncr.com Subject: CCC Requirements for Harnesses and Manuals To: emc-p...@ieee.org Date: Monday, August 25, 2008, 7:46 AM Dear approval experts, I am working on CCC approvals for some Automated Teller Machines (ATMs) at present, and have come across some certification difficulties regarding harnesses and operator manuals. I would be grateful if you could share any similar CCC experiences with me, either by way of mailing list or off-line. I have been informed that all mains carrying cords (including internal ATM conductors) must have CCC approval. We had originally believed it was only the power cord (from wall socket to ATM inlet filter) which required this approval. Have you had any experience with such a requirement, and if so, how did you handle this? What type of power cord did you have to use (our ATMs use SJT type for external power cord and SVT type for internal mains carrying cords)? Also, we have been told that we must ship a Chinese Operator Manual either in hard copy or on a CD with each ATM destined for the Chinese market. Again, could you share any experiences you've have had regarding manuals etc? Thanks for your advice, Craig - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Myanmar and Laos Approvals
Dear Group Members, Does anyone know any mandatory requirements for safety/emc/radio/telecom for a notebook with wlan. BT and PSTN modem in Myanmar and Laos? Thanks, Peter - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Re: Russian GOST certification
Pete, If you want it done fast, invite the Russian experts to assess the manufacturer's production, quality system and the manufacturer's test reports. For one time shipments, and machinery which comply with the CE Directives and have test reports, the process can be is relatively simple. However, for machinery with no EU Reports/DoCs, best tgo invite the Russian experts for an assessment and if all ok, quick certification. Remember that machinery may need several Russian certs including but not limited to Explosion Cert (for hazardous location equipment), Rostechnadzor (for equipment requiring a special permit to operate, like oil refinery equipment), Fire Certificate (for equipment employing flammable liquids), to name a few. Let me know if you need help. Machinery may seem difficult to gain Russian certs, but if you work diligently and have an in-house Russian speaking person who understands the production and quality systems, it will tremendously help cut the lead times for certification Peter --- On Wed, 8/20/08, Pete Perkins peperkin...@cs.com wrote: From: Pete Perkins peperkin...@cs.com Subject: Russian GOST certification To: PSNet emc-p...@ieee.org Date: Wednesday, August 20, 2008, 5:57 PM PSNeters, How about some of you sharing your experience in getting Russian GOST certification for machinery. How did you start? What difficulties did you have? What would you recommend to others to make this go smoothly? Let it all hang out. :) br, Pete Peter E Perkins, PE Principal Product Safety Engineer PO Box 23427 Tigard, ORe 97281-3427 503/452-1201 fone/fax p.perk...@ieee.org - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Australia and Refrigerants 134a and 404a
Dear All, Are the refrigerants 134a and 404a accepted in Australia/New Zealand? Thanks Peter - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Philippines NTC Marking
Dear All, Does anyone have the NTC wireless logo in .PS or EPS or equivalent high quality format? Thanks in advance - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
[SPAM] In-Situ Testing
Dear Group Members, Many of you have good experience in field in-situ testing. I am wondering if anyone has a procedure/guide with good insight to quickly and efficiently perform radiated emissions in-situ. I am especially in the problems you have experienced (such am ambient noise) and any solution (procedure/guide) to quickly tackle problems. Thanks, Peter - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Re: Requirements for Power On/OFF Switch...US and EU Europe
Hello Christine, No violation at all. IEC/EN 60950-1/UL60950-1/CSA C22.2 60950-1 allow the plug on the power supply cord or the appliance coupler to serve as a disconnect. For your info, most swithes on ITE equipment are single pole - they are not double-pole and do not have the 3 mm contact gap to qualify them as a disconnect device to shut off the system for servicing. Best Regards, Peter --- On Mon, 7/21/08, Christine Rodham chrisrod...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Christine Rodham chrisrod...@yahoo.com Subject: Requirements for Power On/OFF Switch...US and EU Europe To: emc-p...@ieee.org Date: Monday, July 21, 2008, 11:17 AM Hi List Members, We purchased a networking product that will reside in the Customer Premise ( CPE) environment. ( FCC class A in the US ) We noticed that the unit DOES NOT have a power switch or a mains disconnect. In order to turn the unit off you have to pull out the plug from the unit or the wall. This units runs on 120V- 220V auto-range. Does this violate any safety rules in the US or Europe? The unit has an NRTL mark on it but is seems a little bizarre that it does not have a way of disconnecting power other than pulling out the plug. Anyone have any clarification on this.. Thank you! Christine Rodham - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Vietnam Local Rep for Telecom/Radiocom Approval
Dear Group, I am looking for a legal licenseholder to act as local rep for Vietnam telecom/radiocom approval. Can anyone help? Thanks Peter - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
[SPAM] Re: South Africa CB
Jim, 1. What IEC standard? A country may be a CB member but not recognize a particular standard if they have not adopted it as a national standard. 2. Assuming South Africa recognizes the IEC standard, you can determine the differences by 1) obtaining the latest IEC CB bulletin listing the South African differences to the standard. OR 2) obtaining a copy of the South African standard Option 1 is the easiest way Best Regards, Peter --- On Fri, 7/11/08, Goedderz, Jim jgoedd...@tycoint.com wrote: From: Goedderz, Jim jgoedd...@tycoint.com Subject: South Africa CB To: emc-p...@ieee.org Date: Friday, July 11, 2008, 1:33 PM Group, Can anyone inform me if there are “National Deviations” to the CB scheme for South Africa? Our customer is asking for a CB report, and I see that SA is a CB member, but I don’t have any list of national deviations. Thank you for your support. James Goedderz Product Safety Engineer Tyco/Sensormatic 561.912.6378 - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Re: DC Brushless Blower Motor
Brian, I assume 24 Vdc derived from a secondary isolated circuit. Like a transformer in a switch mode power supply, the motor can be evaluated to the end-product standard, it does not have to be an approved component. However as part of their investigation, the NRTL or other certification body may be asking for the blower construction details such as winding wire size, insulation class, polymeric materials used, etc. Depending on the NRTL or certification body, some or all of these parts may be tied down as critical components. During the NRTL or certification body follow-ups, these critical components become subject to inspection. Depending on the inspector visiting the factory, he/she may be asking to verify the parts meet the specs in the critical component list. This can be easily resolved by obtaining a CoC for every shipment from the blower manufacturer. The CoC can show drawings of the blower construction (magnet wire manufacturer, type and class, polymeric material manufacturer and grade designation, etc. To make the story short, no the blower does not have to be approved. It can be evaluated as part of the end-product standard. Best Regards, Peter --- On Wed, 6/25/08, Kunde, Brian brian_ku...@lecotc.com wrote: From: Kunde, Brian brian_ku...@lecotc.com Subject: DC Brushless Blower Motor To: emc-p...@ieee.org Date: Wednesday, June 25, 2008, 5:58 AM Our engineering group wants to use a small cross flow blower that has a brushless DC motor rated 24Vdc at only 1 amp. The blower assembly and motor does not have any safety agency approvals though it is built by a reputable motor company. Our company has a general rule that all motor devices must have UL, CSA and either TUV or VDE agency approval. Unfortunately, this blower assembly is not common and engineering cannot locate a compatible blower that has agency approvals. Being that the blower motor is only 24Vdc at 1 amp and it is brushless, I assume the risk of fire is low. We could perform the locked rotor test and limit the input current. What other safety tests could be performed to adequately evaluate the use of this blower? Are there any safety standards specific to dc brushless motors? Would an NRTL require this kind of motor to have agency approvals? Thanks in advance, The Other Brian _ LECO Corporation Notice: This communication may contain confidential information intended for the named recipient(s) only. If you received this by mistake, please destroy it and notify us of the error. Thank you. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at:
Re: EU DoC on 2.4GHz TX Modules
Grace 1) Yes 2) RTTE Directive and standards applied Peter Grace Lin graceli...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Members, Is there any EU rule specified reqirements for a transmitter module? My questions are: 1). Does CE mark apply to a transmitter module? 2). If yes from 1), does a DoC need to include Low Voltage Directive and EMC Directive? Thank you and look forward to hear from you. Best regards, Grace - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Re: VCCI approvals for AC/DC adapter
Pete, VCCI is voluntary and it applies to ITE equipment as a system, not power adaptors. AC/DC power adaptors are covered under the Denan law and must meet RFI (emissisions only) and safety and be marked with the PSE Mark. Peter peterh...@aol.com wrote: Hi Folks, Can anyone tell me why we don't see VCCI logo on many AC/DC adapters on the market? Thanks Pete Plan your next roadtrip with MapQuest.com http://www.mapquest.com/?ncid=mpqmap000304 : America's #1 Mapping Site. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
RE: Korea EMC standards
Julian, You can download it straight from the RRL website which also specifies all the elements you need around the Mark http://www.rrl.go.kr/eng/approval/process/sign.jsp Best Regards, Peter Julian Jones ju...@hursley-emc.co.uk wrote: hi on this thread can anyone send me the MIC logo. many thanks From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Rudd, Adam Sent: 15 May 2008 17:51 To: Bill Stumpf; emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: Korea EMC standards Laws and Rules (Most of these have English copies) http://www.rrl.go.kr/join/databoard/law/list.jsp?lw_type=0 ITE Standards (most of these unfortunately do not have English copies) http://www.rrl.go.kr/join/databoard/law/list.jsp?lw_type=4 However, down the page is this document, which is in English, and might prove useful for you. “Recently revised Korea EMI_EMS standards on ITE” http://www.rrl.go.kr/join/databoard/law/view.jsp?lw_type=4lw_seq=116 Best Regards, Adam Rudd Electrical Engineer (EMC) NCR Corporation, RHSS Duluth, GA (770) 495-2825 From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Bill Stumpf Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 12:15 PM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Korea EMC standards Anyone know where I can find Korea EMC standards in English? Thanks, Bill Stumpf - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 3102 (20080515) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 3103 (20080516) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com http://www.eset.com/ - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell
Radio Tests
Dear Members, Does any one have instructions on setting up a radio equipment for testing internationally? Different labs where in-country test is required have different methods of set up for conducted or radiated measurement tests. Some labd require a 50 ohm sma connector, others require a regular sma connector, antenna connection poinrts vary, some require antenna be disconnected, some require it to be connected, and so on and so on. Thanks very much, Peter - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Re: mw/mhz
Bob, Refer to http://globalcompliance.blogspot.com/feeds/posts/default?alt=rss It is measured at 3m What standard are you reading? Peter rehel...@mmm.com wrote: I am reading a Japanese standard for 2.4 GHz and it gives an antenna power limit of 3mW/MHz (no antenna distance). Can someone help as to how this is measured. I guess I don't understand the parameter being measured. Thanks Bob Heller 3M Company St. Paul, MN 55107-1208 Tel: 651- 778-6336 Fax: 651-778-6252 - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Re: German regulation relating to equipment built into vans, trucks, etc.
Jim, I do not have your answers but I am sure you can get your automotive questions answered by TUV Rheinland of North America, Automotive Division. Please contact: Juergen Walther Program Manager TUV Rheinland of North America, Inc, Automotive Division 32553 Schoolcraft Road, Suite 100 Livonia, MI 48150 Tel (734) 261-8881, Ext. 111 Fax (734) 261-8929 Email jwalt...@us.tuv.com www.tuv.com Regards, Peter Merguerian Jim Eichner jim.eich...@xantrex.com wrote: We have had an enquiry whether or not our products comply with a German regulation. Here's the information we were given... Nutzfahrzeugeverordnungen = a law that regulates what you built into vans, trucks and caravans A Google search on the term came up empty, but the translation is Commercial motor vehicle regulations. Sounds like the FMVSS. Does anybody know what this is, and/or have any links to useful internet sites on the topic? Thanks, Jim Eichner, P.Eng. Compliance Engineering Manager Xantrex Technology Inc. e-mail: jim.eich...@xantrex.com web: www.xantrex.com Any opinions expressed are those of my invisible friend. Confidentiality Notice: This email message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any una! uthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/listserv/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: emc_p...@symbol.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc _ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail http://us rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/taglines/10/*http: /promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail/static/efficiency.html - Send 10MB messages! This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/listserv/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: emc_p...@symbol.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Re: safety concern?
Sylvia, You need to get a certified lug. Such lugs are marked with the wire AWG (CU, AL, or CU_AL, stranded or solid conductors or both) or wire AWG range such as 2AWG - 10 AWG. The lugs are also provided with the crimping tools recommended by the lug manufacturer. If you use the lug within its' specifications you are OK, except when it comes to the end-product standard which may have additional requirements. In IEC60950/UL60950 you would also need to determine if an 8 mm long strand of a stranded conductor when pulled out of the lug cannot reduce clearances/creepages. The lug assembly is also subjected to a 10N force test. Regards, Peter Merguerian Sylvia Toma sylviaot...@yahoo.com wrote: Dear friends, Is there a safety concern of using a 2-AWG lug for a 4-AWG wire, then using a crimping device to crimp the wire/lug in place? My colleages at work have different opinion regarding this issue and I would like to hear your experience/opinion. Thanks very much in advance. Best Regards, Sylvia __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/listserv/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: emc_p...@symbol.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc _ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail http://us rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/taglines/100/*http //promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail/static/efficiency.html - 100MB free storage! This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/listserv/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: emc_p...@symbol.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Abolishing LVD Lower Limits
Dear All, At one point, the EU was discussing abolishing the low voltage limits on electrical equipment from the Low Voltage Directive. What is the status of those discussions? Peter Merguerian _ Do you Yahoo!? vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today! This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/listserv/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: emc_p...@symbol.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
RE: IEC and the CB Scheme
http://www.ieee-pses.org/symposium http://www.emc2004.org/ -- Brian, What is a CE Test Report? It is one that the manufacturer has gathered, either in-house or externally, to determine the product is CE compliant. Remember you can go to any laboratory that meets your criteria of a test lab (my strong recommendation is to ensure it is one that is accredited to ISO 17025). Also note that the CE documentation (EMC, safety, etc.) must be available within 10 days after the manufacturer or importer is requested to do so by the European authorities. I have had numerous occasions where a manufacturer is in panic mode and needed their product tested for CE (yes, within a few days), because they have done nothing about it and have been stopped by Europewan customs. Best Regards, Peter Merguerian Brian O'Connell boconn...@t-yuden.com wrote: http://www.ieee-pses.org/symposium http://www.emc2004.org/ -- What is a CE Test Report ? thanks, Brian -Original Message- From: peter merguerian [ mailto:pmerguerian2...@yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2004 12:28 AM To: Dan Anchondo; emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Re: IEC and the CB Scheme Hello Dan, No, a CB Test Report is not required to make a European CE Declaration. Typically for CE, the manufacturer gets his product tested in his own accredited laboratory or at a third party laboratory and declares compliance with all the applicable Directives. The CB Test Report is not only for power supplies. You can get a CB to many categories including but not limited to: Household Appliances IEC60335 , Lasers (IEC825), ITE (IEC60950), Laboratory Measurement and Test Equipment (IEC61010), etc. etc. A CB Test Report allows you to test the product at one NCB appointed by the IEC in a particular country (say TUV Rheinland of North America) such that the test results are accepted by another NCB in another country (such as SII in Israel). Remember, Test Results only are usually accepted. However, some NCBs such as TUV Rheinland of North America have excellent rapports with various test agencies in the world, such that not only the test results are accepted but also the construction. By the way, you can cover the power supply and product in the same CB Test Report. Why pay the expense of doing two reports? A CB Test Report is not much more expensive than doing just a CE Test Report. For IEC60950-1, there are 25 countries participating countries - however, there are other countries who either are not an IEC member or have missed being in the Technical Bulletin, but who still accept CB Test Reports. If you have any other questions regarding CE, CB, GS, cTUVus Listing/Recognition/Clasification, Wi-Fi, NEBS, Ergonomics, ISO9000, Machinery, Household Appliances, Audio/Video Appliances, Luminaires, Telecoms, Pressure Vessels, Medical, Telecoms, NOM (Mexico), CCC (China), S Mark (Argentina), GOST (Russia) etc., let me know either privately or via the emc-pstc list. Regards, Peter Merguerian --- This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. IEEE PSES Main Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions for use of the list server: http://listserv.ieee.org/listserv/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: emc_p...@symbol.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc _ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Messenger http://us.rd.yahoo.com/ma l_us/taglines/msgr/evt=26088/*http://messenger.yahoo.com - Communicate in real time. Download now. --- This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. IEEE PSES Main Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions for use of the list server: http://listserv.ieee.org/listserv/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: emc_p...@symbol.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Security and Alarm Systems
Hello All, I am intersted to know about European Directives for Alarm and similar security systems used in commercial (airports, businesses) and household applications. What are the Directives (RTTE, Construction, etc.) involved, the standards and some of the Recognized Test Agencies for a wi-fi type alarm system. These are some of the standards that may or may not be applicable: 1. CEI 79-16 Level B 2. CEI79-2 Level 1 3. EN3220-3 4. EN301489-1 5. EN301-3 6. EN60950 7. EN50130-4 8. IMQ Level 1 Best Regards, Peter _ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree
