[eug-lug]a2ps
I am trying to get a2ps configured to work with my printer. I have set Options: --medium=Letter in my a2ps-site.cfg file. However, when I print a file the top and bottom couple of pixels are cropped off and the right 67 pixels. Do you know how to specify the height and width of the print area to a2ps? I have tried putting a Variable: value into a2ps-site.cfg but I can't seem to get it to work. ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
[eug-lug]Government Open Source conference
Is Oregon going to have any representation at this conference? German Minister Otto Schily and at least 2 other ministers will be keynoting at EGOVOS 3: Open Standards and Libre Software in Government conference in Paris, France on November 24-26, 2003. EGOVOS 3 will bring together the largest number ever of high level government officials working in Open Source and Free Software. http://slashdot.org/articles/03/09/19/119207.shtml?tid=117tid=162tid=99 ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]computer...The Mac G5 is an excellent choice!!!
On Wednesday 03 September 2003 09:43 am, Rodney Mishima wrote: ... Please RSVP: We don't want to run out of wieners ... You got to give it to the mac crowd they really know how to put on a class BBQ! ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
[eug-lug]Local Distributed Lending Library
So what do you all think about this concept? This is the software distribution page for the Distributed Library Project, a website which creates a distributed library of people's books and videos. The project is an experiment in creating community and sharing information within a town or city. http://www.thoughtcrime.org/software/dlp/ ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
[eug-lug]GNU/Darwin
Larry, Have you installed GNU/Darwin on a PC? What did you think of it? On Friday 08 August 2003 06:47 am, Larry Price wrote: On Thursday, August 7, 2003, at 10:43 PM, Joseph Carter wrote: I wasn't aware that Apple had released MacOS X for x86 chips.. GNU/Darwin http://gnu-darwin.sourceforge.net/ Also includes freebsd ports ! More power Freed! ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]blender workshop or something
We could start a study group... On Saturday 09 August 2003 12:22 am, baggab wrote: Tend to be a bit shy to work with this been there, done that group. Check out http://www.pablosbrain.com/blender3d/ for a set of keyboard controls. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of john fleming Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 3:56 PM To: The Eugene Unix and GNU/Linux User Group's mail list Subject: [eug-lug]blender workshop or something I have doe a little tinkering here and there with blender, but find it and most of the tutorials a bit formidable. Has anyone with experience with it any interest in doing a workshop/class in it any other prospective attendees? john ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug] workstation OPN
On Thursday 07 August 2003 01:54 pm, Larry Price wrote: Oooh, too bad I already downloaded the gentoo live-ppc cd's Although I'm kind of torn between that and this http://www.freebsd.org/platforms/ppc.html Not that I wouldn't be willing to boot a knoppix every now and again...;-) btw. for all those who were drooling over the neat workstation OPN is raffling off I will have tickets available at tonight's clinic How much are the tickets and what is the workstation? On Thursday, August 7, 2003, at 01:24 PM, Bob Miller wrote: I just read[1] that a Macintosh version of KNOPPIX is coming. Woo-hoo! Now you Mac users won't have to put up with software that's hard to install, hard to configure, or hard to use anymore. Oh, wait, you already don't. (-: Anyway, when an ISO is released, I'd like to see it on someone's (Power|i)Book sometime. [1] http://www.pctechtalk.com/view.php?id=1239 -- Bob Miller Kbob kbobsoft software consulting http://kbobsoft.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug This is a Signature: Someday soon it will have clever sayings and URL's ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
[eug-lug]Go Senator Wyden go!
Senator Wyden today introduced a bill for a new law called The Citizens' Protection in Federal Databases Act. This is a hell of a law. http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/03/07/29/1848243.shtml?tid=103tid=137tid=158tid=198tid=99 ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
[eug-lug]Linux Journal editorial
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Re: [eug-lug]Re: [herding] install fests
On Thursday 17 July 2003 11:31 am, Bob Miller wrote: Ben Barrett wrote: how about some smaller-scale install fests? The weekly publishes announcements which are submitted by wednesday of the prior week -- we could certainly do this on a thursday eve, if EFN's space is up for it, or we could make weekend dates... I'm thinking that by holding multiple smallish events, we'll be more effective at getting public attention, and also give those folks with crazy schedules more of a chance to get involved. Most LUGs have monthly or semimonthly events. We're already pushing the envelope (IMO) doing weekly clinics plus irregular presentations. I think we average about 0.2 installs per clinic, so the events can't get much smaller... (-: I also think the Eugene Weekly is a great place to get attention for a gig like that. I agree. Will we see you at EFN tonight, I hope? My only serious away-dates are during burning man (where I'll be doing the same kind of mission at at OCF, but more solo -- I'd like to take more swag (info and cd's) along this year), which is the last week in august, and might keep me away for ~10 days or so. TripWire is cool. I'd be happy to burn some KNOPPIX or Mandrake discs for you to take along, and so would other EUGLUGsters, I bet. By late August, KNOPPIX should be back to weekly releases, though, so I don't want to start burning too soon. How many would you like? This year at the Fair, I thought there was a good mix of folks to came by to get informed -- some did not know that there was internet there, or anything computer-related And some, like me, who went to get away from computers for a day. *-: It seem obvious that dual-booting, or other migration issues, are the real deal to tackle when turning people on to linux Live CDs are your best friend. But you're right, we need to have the next step ready. I tried this Live Gentoo thing, and it's cool, but I want to put it on my hard drive. One of the things I like about Knoppix is that if you like it you can move it right to your hard disk and your in business! ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]OK, Ken I'll take that challenge
On Tuesday 03 June 2003 11:13 pm, Jacob Meuser wrote: On Tue, Jun 03, 2003 at 10:43:21AM -0700, Ken Barber wrote: When you get into a religious war over distros, remember that ALL of Linux is looked down upon by the BSD folks. So be careful. With an attitude like that, what do you expect? Be careful of what you manifest. I haven't seen Red Hat destroying competitors, deploying proprietary code to lock people in to their products, or any of the other blatant abuses of ethics that are legendary at Micro$oft. Maybe I was just dreaming once, but I think I remember some kind of changes RedHat made to gcc that caused binary imcompatabilities with other Linux distros. Yep. you are dreaming. The problem was that they implemented a version of gcc ahead of it's time. It wasn't that RedHat had made changes to gcc. ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]OK, Ken I'll take that challenge
On Monday 02 June 2003 10:33 pm, BAGGAB wrote: I agree we should not be talking politics in this forum (it's all rigged anyways.) Preface: I read yesterday that AOL is partnering with M$ to settle the browser lawsuit. I suspect Mozilla will be toast in a few months. So I'm angry and want to get away from M$ as soon as possible. So here I am, a Linux newbie with a question. Installed RH 8.0 four months ago and I'm still struggling. Some of that struggle was around a SMC barricade router that I ditched (stopped trying to get working) yesterday. Some of that struggle is just life: many personal distractions. I'm telling you this because I don't want you to assume I'm just lazy and I want someone to fix my problem for me. Problem: when I want to logon to internet I use KPPP, but I have to provide my root password for permission. Are you connecting through a modem? I use KPPP and I don't start it under root. How are you going about running kppp, i.e., from a console window, desktop icon, or menu entry? I am concerned about running root permissions while connected to the internet. With all the warnings about operating under root I am assuming that this is a user implemented problem (self inflicted wound.) When I installed the OS I selected all the packages (because I wanted to know what was available.) When I installed the OS I selected to use the firewall and I selected all protocols. I have looked at users and groups, but there are many many groups (I tried selecting all.) I suspect that the firewall is the problem (but I can't find any info on how to turn it off.) I have consulted the help files with not much luck. So here I am writing this in Outlook, because I can't get out of the starting gate with RH 8.0. Recent events have forced me to swallow my stupid pride and as for some basic help. Sorry for being a bonehead. ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]OK, Ken I'll take that challenge
On Tuesday 03 June 2003 12:27 am, BAGGAB wrote: Thanks Patrick I'm feeling a little better about it. How come I haven't had to do this in RH 6.1 or 7.2? I know there are distribution changes, but this seems strange to me. Can I get a second opinion on this and am I the only one using a dialup here? I use dialup. Brian -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Patrick R. Wade Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 1:48 PM To: The Eugene Unix and GNU/Linux User Group's mail list Subject: Re: [eug-lug]OK, Ken I'll take that challenge On Mon, Jun 02, 2003 at 01:33:05PM -0700, BAGGAB wrote: Preface: I read yesterday that AOL is partnering with M$ to settle the browser lawsuit. I suspect Mozilla will be toast in a few months. So I'm angry and want to get away from M$ as soon as possible. So here I am, a Linux newbie with a question. Installed RH 8.0 four months ago and I'm still struggling. Some of that struggle was around a SMC barricade router that I ditched (stopped trying to get working) yesterday. Some of that struggle is just life: many personal distractions. I'm telling you this because I don't want you to assume I'm just lazy and I want someone to fix my problem for me. Problem: when I want to logon to internet I use KPPP, but I have to provide my root password for permission. I am concerned about running root permissions while connected to the internet. With all the warnings about operating under root I am assuming that this is a user implemented problem (self inflicted wound.) Certain operations in a UNIX system require root privileges to do; starting a network connection, including a dialup connection, is one of them. While it's appropriate not to use root for ongoing use, it is appropriate to run some commands as root when the time is right. In fact a number of root-privilege programs run constantly while the UNIX system is operating normally. I haven't used KPPP, but it sounds like it prompts for the root password when it runs. I would consider this a safe use of root. It is possible, but more convoluted, to set up sudo to run this so that you would only be prompted for your own account password, or even to run it as root without requiring any password (a practice i would discourage). -- Christos anesti ek nekron Thanato thanaton patisas; Kai tis en tis mnimasi Zoin charisamenos! ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]Jamie, why I'm using RH
On Monday 02 June 2003 11:01 am, Linux Rocks ! wrote: Brian, Well... if your priority is mainstream, then maybe you need Windows. As far as I can tell, redhat is the microsoft of the linux community. Ive spent a lot of time trying various linux's, and have found Mandrake to be far superior to RedHat, its actually based on redhat, but it usually works much better. If you like the way redhat does things, maybe mandrake is a good thing for you to try. Alternatively SuSE is also very easy to install and has a decent userbase. Personally I prefer Slackware, but its not really a newbie type system (although it gets easier every new version...) I tried to let this pass but I guess I just can't. Stop by EFN when EugLug is meeting there (Thursday nights, I think) and get a copy of the Knoppix CD. Stick it in your computer and boot off of it. If you can do everything you want on it then you can install it to your hard disk and run it as a Debian system from then on. The whole process can take less than an hour. It is still Linux and all that that means but with far fewer problems (for me at least) than all of the other versions that I tried. Jamie On Monday 02 June 2003 03:27 pm, BAGGAB wrote: : Jamie : : Thanks for the vote of confidence (it was kind of boneheaded of me for : waiting so long.) : : I'm using RH because it is the mainstream distro. I have talked to many : people outside of technical community. I would say that 75% have never : even heard of Linux. So when Business Week highlighted Linux on their : front cover I was excited. In that article it flatly stated Linux : Startups: Other then Red Hat, there's not much room for these small fry : and Linux Purists: Linux developers who don't like the idea of working : with : capitalists had better get used to it. : : Now you and I may feel differently, but that's the perception (when there : is one.) I just want the people I help to bring OSS mainstream to know : the front runner. These many other distro's are too perplexing (the many : choices that is) to the novice user, who may never be a technician, but : may be willing to use Open Office if someone holds their hand. : : Brian : : P.S. I am getting tired of the struggle. I have floated my idea for an : educational website focusing on engineering and the environment to a : local group, for the last time. If they are not interested I will go it : alone and I won't much care about who knows OSS then and I will use what : comes easiest. : : ___ : EuG-LUG mailing list : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]OK, Ken I'll take that challenge
On Tuesday 03 June 2003 01:29 am, BAGGAB wrote: Kent Are you using RH 8.0? I tried it. I am using Knoppix 3.2. Brian -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kent Loobey Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 6:31 AM To: The Eugene Unix and GNU/Linux User Group's mail list Subject: Re: [eug-lug]OK, Ken I'll take that challenge On Tuesday 03 June 2003 12:27 am, BAGGAB wrote: Thanks Patrick I'm feeling a little better about it. How come I haven't had to do this in RH 6.1 or 7.2? I know there are distribution changes, but this seems strange to me. Can I get a second opinion on this and am I the only one using a dialup here? I use dialup. Brian -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Patrick R. Wade Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 1:48 PM To: The Eugene Unix and GNU/Linux User Group's mail list Subject: Re: [eug-lug]OK, Ken I'll take that challenge On Mon, Jun 02, 2003 at 01:33:05PM -0700, BAGGAB wrote: Preface: I read yesterday that AOL is partnering with M$ to settle the browser lawsuit. I suspect Mozilla will be toast in a few months. So I'm angry and want to get away from M$ as soon as possible. So here I am, a Linux newbie with a question. Installed RH 8.0 four months ago and I'm still struggling. Some of that struggle was around a SMC barricade router that I ditched (stopped trying to get working) yesterday. Some of that struggle is just life: many personal distractions. I'm telling you this because I don't want you to assume I'm just lazy and I want someone to fix my problem for me. Problem: when I want to logon to internet I use KPPP, but I have to provide my root password for permission. I am concerned about running root permissions while connected to the internet. With all the warnings about operating under root I am assuming that this is a user implemented problem (self inflicted wound.) Certain operations in a UNIX system require root privileges to do; starting a network connection, including a dialup connection, is one of them. While it's appropriate not to use root for ongoing use, it is appropriate to run some commands as root when the time is right. In fact a number of root-privilege programs run constantly while the UNIX system is operating normally. I haven't used KPPP, but it sounds like it prompts for the root password when it runs. I would consider this a safe use of root. It is possible, but more convoluted, to set up sudo to run this so that you would only be prompted for your own account password, or even to run it as root without requiring any password (a practice i would discourage). -- Christos anesti ek nekron Thanato thanaton patisas; Kai tis en tis mnimasi Zoin charisamenos! ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]Jamie, why I'm using RH
On Tuesday 03 June 2003 02:03 am, BAGGAB wrote: Well, 30 minutes into this and everyone has their favorite distro. I was ready to use Koppix 3.2, but it didn't work on the e-machine I have (system is loaded with RH 8.0 so its not like the last time - a bogus bios setting.) The e-machine is a piece of junk and I don't really use it; maybe I should get off it, stop crying and get back to work with Koppix. I know that RH is Microsoftish and I have noticed them moving the furniture around. Time for some experimenting. I am willing to try to get your kppp problem fixed but I need a little more information about what you are doing. Knowing that you are starting it in root does not help me understand why you are chosing to do that. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of E Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 4:30 PM To: The Eugene Unix and GNU/Linux User Group's mail list Subject: Re: [eug-lug]Jamie, why I'm using RH In my opinion Debian is the linux distro that is best. Granted, I pretty much exclusively use FreeBSD at this point, from all my linux experiences, Debian holds up as tops. The main reason is that debian holds to a standard for each relase. Whereas red hat (for example) will change the location of a particular config file from release to release, debian is more stable and adheres to a standard. Documentation is better too, imo. Where config files are placed might not matter if you're only using the gui X interface for management, but it can be a real pain in the arse if you need to edit them by hand. Ed --- Linux Rocks ! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brian, Well... if your priority is mainstream, then maybe you need Windows. As far as I can tell, redhat is the microsoft of the linux community. Ive spent a lot of time trying various linux's, and have found Mandrake to be far superior to RedHat, its actually based on redhat, but it usually works much better. If you like the way redhat does things, maybe mandrake is a good thing for you to try. Alternatively SuSE is also very easy to install and has a decent userbase. Personally I prefer Slackware, but its not really a newbie type system (although it gets easier every new version...) Jamie __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]Jamie, why I'm using RH
On Tuesday 03 June 2003 02:45 am, BAGGAB wrote: Kent Thanks for the offer. I was starting in a simple user mode, not root. That was my original problem. I have done some debating with myself about the distro issue and with the help of this group I have come to re-evaluate my choice of distro. I am going install Koppix 3.2 (something I didn't do before, just ran it in RAM) and examine Koppix 3.2 for a few days. I will be looking for some answers, I am sure. Brian, The easiest way to do the install is to go to the KDE-KNOPPIX-ROOTSHELL and type knx-hdinstall. The script will step you right through it. In the above, KDE is the gear-K on the menu bar. KNOPPIX is a menu item all in caps, and ROOTSHELL is the last sub-menu item (I'm not sure of it's name, root something). Good luck. Kent Brian -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kent Loobey Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 8:22 AM To: The Eugene Unix and GNU/Linux User Group's mail list Subject: Re: [eug-lug]Jamie, why I'm using RH On Tuesday 03 June 2003 02:03 am, BAGGAB wrote: Well, 30 minutes into this and everyone has their favorite distro. I was ready to use Koppix 3.2, but it didn't work on the e-machine I have (system is loaded with RH 8.0 so its not like the last time - a bogus bios setting.) The e-machine is a piece of junk and I don't really use it; maybe I should get off it, stop crying and get back to work with Koppix. I know that RH is Microsoftish and I have noticed them moving the furniture around. Time for some experimenting. I am willing to try to get your kppp problem fixed but I need a little more information about what you are doing. Knowing that you are starting it in root does not help me understand why you are chosing to do that. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of E Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 4:30 PM To: The Eugene Unix and GNU/Linux User Group's mail list Subject: Re: [eug-lug]Jamie, why I'm using RH In my opinion Debian is the linux distro that is best. Granted, I pretty much exclusively use FreeBSD at this point, from all my linux experiences, Debian holds up as tops. The main reason is that debian holds to a standard for each relase. Whereas red hat (for example) will change the location of a particular config file from release to release, debian is more stable and adheres to a standard. Documentation is better too, imo. Where config files are placed might not matter if you're only using the gui X interface for management, but it can be a real pain in the arse if you need to edit them by hand. Ed --- Linux Rocks ! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brian, Well... if your priority is mainstream, then maybe you need Windows. As far as I can tell, redhat is the microsoft of the linux community. Ive spent a lot of time trying various linux's, and have found Mandrake to be far superior to RedHat, its actually based on redhat, but it usually works much better. If you like the way redhat does things, maybe mandrake is a good thing for you to try. Alternatively SuSE is also very easy to install and has a decent userbase. Personally I prefer Slackware, but its not really a newbie type system (although it gets easier every new version...) Jamie __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug] How much of the documentation on the Koppix 3.2 CD isin German
On Tuesday 03 June 2003 03:13 am, BAGGAB wrote: I started moving around the CD and I am running into German. When you get the boot: prompt, press F2 and then type knoppix lang=us. After you get everything installed on hard disk and rebooted you can go into settings-ControlCenter and set any residual stuff that needed to english, e.g., US keyboard, etc. Pretty streight forward, really. Knoppix will come up in KDE by default but if you prefer you can get gnome installed instead. My German is rusty. I know I can view the initial info page in English, but how much of the rest of the CD is in German? ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [Eug-lug]knoppix version 3.1
Thanks everyone for the information. On Friday 04 April 2003 15:08, Grigsby, Garl wrote: Q: What is the root password? A: There is none; all passwords are locked by default. You can set it by going Knoppix Menu-Root Shell and typing passwd, then enterting a root password, also there are several sections you can read dealing with this subject in KNOPPIX/README_Security.txt. You can also type sudo su or sudo -s in any console window, or use ctr-alt-F2 to get at the text console with already opened root shell. Apparently, however, in some versions of Knoppix, if you type 'sudo -s', it will ask for a password. If you simply press return without entering anything, it will tell you 'Authentication Failed. http://www.knoppix.net/docs/index.php/FaqUsing -Original Message- From: Kent Loobey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 1:21 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Eug-lug]knoppix version 3.1 I picked up a copy of Knoppix version 3.1 the other day. Can anyone tell me what the root password for it is? Thanks. ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
[Eug-lug]knoppix version 3.1
I picked up a copy of Knoppix version 3.1 the other day. Can anyone tell me what the root password for it is? Thanks. ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [Eug-lug]Clinic 4/3/2003?
On Wednesday 02 April 2003 17:55, Kent Loobey wrote: Joseph Carter wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, Apr 02, 2003 at 07:09:57PM -0800, Kent Loobey wrote: Is there going to be a Linux clinic this Thursday evening? Well I'm going to be there. =) - -- Joseph Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED]Bring our troops home! I stopped a long time ago to try to find anything in the bug list of dpkg. We should run for an entry in the Guinness Book of Records. -- Stephane Bortzmeyer -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: 1024D/20F62261F1857A3E79FC44F98FF7D7A3DCF9DAB3 iEYEARECAAYFAj6Ljh4ACgkQj/fXo9z52rPM2wCfVOP3A/SsGB5s1xvcvds38XP4 0UIAn2AKjKNZ685/QLxywbDwSoiexTVU =jhVW -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug Could someone bring a copy of Red Hat, both version 9 and the previous version? Cancel this. I have already got a copy. Thanks. ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
[Eug-lug]Clinic 4/3/2003?
Is there going to be a Linux clinic this Thursday evening? ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [Eug-lug]Clinic 4/3/2003?
Joseph Carter wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, Apr 02, 2003 at 07:09:57PM -0800, Kent Loobey wrote: Is there going to be a Linux clinic this Thursday evening? Well I'm going to be there. =) - -- Joseph Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED]Bring our troops home! I stopped a long time ago to try to find anything in the bug list of dpkg. We should run for an entry in the Guinness Book of Records. -- Stephane Bortzmeyer -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: 1024D/20F62261F1857A3E79FC44F98FF7D7A3DCF9DAB3 iEYEARECAAYFAj6Ljh4ACgkQj/fXo9z52rPM2wCfVOP3A/SsGB5s1xvcvds38XP4 0UIAn2AKjKNZ685/QLxywbDwSoiexTVU =jhVW -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug Could someone bring a copy of Red Hat, both version 9 and the previous version? ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [Eug-lug]new images available
On Saturday 08 March 2003 15:59, Beaker (aka Jeff W) wrote: Bob Crandell wrote: It's old and slow. What's to be impressed? Why, the gesture of course. Yep, that's it! For all those future EUGLUG CD roastings, thanks! ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [Eug-lug][aj@azure.humbug.org.au: Warning: glibc 2.3.1 entering testing soon]
On Friday 07 March 2003 12:43, Bob Miller wrote: Anyone running Debian testing (aka Sarge) will want to take note. - Forwarded message from Anthony Towns [EMAIL PROTECTED] - From: Anthony Towns [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 04:10:53 +1000 Subject: Warning: glibc 2.3.1 entering testing soon To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello world, glibc 2.3.1-14 should be entering testing tomorrow (sometime around 30 hours from now, depending on your mirror). Along with it, some 800 other source packages and all their binaries are expected to be updated. For those of you running testing systems, please take care of the next few days' upgrades, as a number of things *will* break. php4 will be broken on all architectures. This will be fixed by the removal of the Conflicts: line from the libc6 packages in a forthcoming revision. It can be worked around by not upgrading until that version of libc6 is available; Bob, Will you post a notice when this has been done? Thanks for the warning. Kent by upgrading to php4 from unstable; or by manually forcing the dependencies (and not using apt). On sparc, the libc6-sparc64 package has been removed; this will mean you'll be unable to install the versions of gcc-3.0, gcc-3.2, and a number of related packages in testing. This can be worked around by not using the versions of those packages from unstable, or by not upgrading libc6 until new versions of the affected packages have entered testing. On hppa, What is hppa? a number of programs that make use of the __clz_tab symbol will fail to find it. That this symbol is visible was a bug in the toolchain, that has been fixed; unfortunately the fix breaks old software, including, eg, wget, lftp and other programs that link against libcrypto. You can work around this problem by avoiding using the affected programs, by rebuilding them from source, or by not upgrading libc6. Some compatability code will be introduced in the next version of glibc so that this isn't an issue. Similar problems related to other symbols might appear on hppa or other architectures. The problem is believed to have been fixed on i386, but may not have been entirely addressed. Please report problems you find in the usual manner. There may be undiscovered interactions between the software that isn't being updated yet, and the 800 packages that are being updated. Given that so many packages are being updated in a single hit, and that a number of core packages (gcc, perl, python, gnome, kde) will differ between testing and unstable, this is significantly more likely than usual. In short, please take care administering any testing systems you rely on over the next few days. If you wish to put libc6 on hold, you can do so at the command line by: # echo libc6 hold | dpkg --set-selections or by using dselect or aptitude or similar. Cheers, aj -- Anthony Towns [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian Release Manager - End forwarded message - ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [Eug-lug]new images available
On Friday 07 March 2003 21:44, Mr O wrote: I can bring a copy or even a couple of whatever to whoever is interested. My fileserver is a freakin' tank of a case and not something I'd lug to just any LUG. Only special occasions like install fests would see that box. So.. copies it is. If you wanted to give me a blank to replace it that'd be cool but not neccessarily needed. A cup of coffee is a good exchange too, no matter what time of day :) Mr. O dot. Great! In that case I would also like a copy of YOper as well. I will be happy to bring blanks and buy you a cup or two of coffee as well. Thanks. Kent Mr O. --- Kent Loobey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the following are available to bring to a meeting... CollegeLinux Yoper Gentoo 1.4 RC3 (stages CD) I would like to get a copy of CollegeLinux. Will you have it at next Thursday's meeting? What is the process? Do I bring a CD blank and trade yuo or burn a new one on the spot or what? Thanks. Kent __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [Eug-lug]new images available
On Friday 07 March 2003 21:49, Bob Miller wrote: Mr O wrote: I can bring a copy or even a couple of whatever to whoever is interested. My fileserver is a freakin' tank of a case and not something I'd lug to just any LUG. Only special occasions like install fests would see that box. So.. copies it is. If you wanted to give me a blank to replace it that'd be cool but not neccessarily needed. A cup of coffee is a good exchange too, no matter what time of day :) It would be cool if there were a box at EFN that belonged to EUGLUG. We could use it for CD duplication and general file serving applications. This would be different from the public www.euglug.org server at Willamette.NET. Burners are pretty cheap right now and EFN has been *really* good to us so why don't we start a fund to buy them one. We could have a cup we pass around at each meeting to collect donations until we have enough to buy a burner... ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [Eug-lug]new images available
On Saturday 08 March 2003 10:16, Bob Crandell wrote: And we can put it in the belly of that orange beast that Larry is using. I can donate a 8X4X32X SCSI CDRW with card. Wow, I'm impressed! Kent Loobey ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote*: On Friday 07 March 2003 21:49, Bob Miller wrote: Mr O wrote: I can bring a copy or even a couple of whatever to whoever is interested. My fileserver is a freakin' tank of a case and not something I'd lug to just any LUG. Only special occasions like install fests would see that box. So.. copies it is. If you wanted to give me a blank to replace it that'd be cool but not neccessarily needed. A cup of coffee is a good exchange too, no matter what time of day :) It would be cool if there were a box at EFN that belonged to EUGLUG. We could use it for CD duplication and general file serving applications. This would be different from the public www.euglug.org server at Willamette.NET. Burners are pretty cheap right now and EFN has been *really* good to us so why don't we start a fund to buy them one. We could have a cup we pass around at each meeting to collect donations until we have enough to buy a burner... ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [Eug-lug]new images available
On Thursday 06 March 2003 21:14, Mr O wrote: the following are available to bring to a meeting... CollegeLinux Yoper Gentoo 1.4 RC3 (stages CD) I would like to get a copy of CollegeLinux. Will you have it at next Thursday's meeting? What is the process? Do I bring a CD blank and trade yuo or burn a new one on the spot or what? Thanks. Kent ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [Eug-lug]Yoper
Yoper is a slackware derivative from New Zealand. http://www.yoper.com/ On Friday 07 March 2003 08:25, Mr O wrote: Well, apparently it's a hot new LFS distro able to handle debs, RPMs, and tgz's. I don't know a whole lot more yet because I won't be installing in too soon. --- Joseph Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Mar 06, 2003 at 09:14:57PM -0800, Mr O wrote: the following are available to bring to a meeting... CollegeLinux Yoper Gentoo 1.4 RC3 (stages CD) I've never heard of Yoper.. Any notable highlights? -- Joseph Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] You're entitled to my opinion __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [Eug-lug]Yoper
On Friday 07 March 2003 09:44, Kent Loobey wrote: Yoper is a slackware derivative I went back and reviewed the Yoper stuff some more and I guess that it is not derived from slackware after all. I'm not sure where I got that idea. Sorry. from New Zealand. http://www.yoper.com/ On Friday 07 March 2003 08:25, Mr O wrote: Well, apparently it's a hot new LFS distro able to handle debs, RPMs, and tgz's. I don't know a whole lot more yet because I won't be installing in too soon. --- Joseph Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Mar 06, 2003 at 09:14:57PM -0800, Mr O wrote: the following are available to bring to a meeting... CollegeLinux Yoper Gentoo 1.4 RC3 (stages CD) I've never heard of Yoper.. Any notable highlights? -- Joseph Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] You're entitled to my opinion __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [Eug-lug]herding topics
Could we have a presentation on the boot up process? I would like to know when and how *everything* gets started. The point being I would like to understand so that I can remove or add anything at will. On Thursday 06 March 2003 10:28, Bob Miller wrote: Two topics of euglug administrivia... 1. Wednesday or Thursday? Larry says he's willing to go with weekly clinics at EFN either on Wednesday or Thursday night. If you believe you would attend more regularly on one night or the other, please post to this list or send mail directly to Larry. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 2. Saturday presentations. We have one for March 15th (me, Knoppix). Jack Morgan says he's interested in doing one on Gentoo on April 19th. Who wants to do an advanced track presentation on April 5th? Or in May/June/...? Cory has said he has some topics in mind. Joseph says he'd consider talking about Debian packaging. I eventually want to do one on LVM and RAID, but I don't want to do three in a row. C'mon, volunteer. It's your chance to be famous and show the rest of us how much you know. ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [Eug-lug]herding topics
On Thursday 06 March 2003 14:48, Bob Miller wrote: Kent Loobey wrote: Could we have a presentation on the boot up process? I would like to know when and how *everything* gets started. The point being I would like to understand so that I can remove or add anything at will. Which distribution? (-: I am currently using Debian 2.4.20 with KDE 3.1. There are minor differences, though we might be able to cover most of the major distributions. ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
[Eug-lug]CollegeLinux
Has anyone downloaded the iso for CollegeLinux? http://www.college.ch/linux/index.php Kent ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
[Eug-lug]rates...
What are fare market rates for the following types of services? Technical Support Programming - WEB - C++, Java, etc. Consulting ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [Eug-lug]rates...
On Monday 24 February 2003 14:03, Cory Petkovsek wrote: On Mon, Feb 24, 2003 at 01:59:28PM -0800, Kent Loobey wrote: What are fare market rates for the following types of services? Technical Support For what? Linux, Windows network installation-configuration stuff. Hardware installation-configuration stuff. For a commercial product, it should be free. For microsoft products used in a production environment and they're the only source for high level information? Whatever they charge ($250/incident) Programming - WEB - C++, Java, etc. I don't know. Consulting $45, $60, $75, $95, $125, $150 Depending on what you need consulting on. This is what I would expect to pay. Around $45 and less for home pc support. $60-95+ for server/network support consulting. $125+ for emergency support or network design or other high level support. Cory ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
[Eug-lug]OpenPGP?
I reciently installed KDE 3.1 on my Debian system. Now for certain emails that I receive I get a dialog window with the following message: Problem: OpenPGP plug-in was not specified. Use the 'Settings-Configure KMail-Security' dialog to specify the plug-in or ask your system administrator to do that for you. I have looked at Settings-Configure KMail-Security and tried several of the Encryption Tool options (Autodetect, GnuPG [after I installed it], and PGP Version 6.x). Nothing I select seems to eliminate this message. The message that moved me to post this email came from Joseph Carter so maybe, Joseph, you have a clue how I should be processing your messages. Note: however I get the same dialog from other email on occation. Kent ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
[Eug-lug]KDE
A while back I added the following: The debs are up on the kde.org server. Just add this line to your apt sources list: # KDE 3.1 for Woody deb ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/3.1/Debian/ woody main -Rob Then when I did my next update it held back the new KDE stuff. To make a long story short through a series of steps I managed to accidently uninstall all of KDE from my system (Woody upgraded to 2.4.20-686). Can anyone tell me how I can get KDE reinstalled? I have tried several things like apt-get install kde and nothing so far has worked. And yes you are right, I don't really understand how Debian works... ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [Eug-lug]MoTV or XawTV
On Monday 30 December 2002 11:59 am, you wrote: Hi, I'm using XawTV. Here is my ~/.xawtv Thanks. I appreciate this information. [global] freqtab = us-bcast pixsize = 128 x 96 pixcols = 10 jpeg-quality = 10 mjpeg-quality = 50 #keypad-ntsc = no #keypad-partial = yes mov-driver = avi mov-audio = stereo #mixer = vol osd = yes [defaults] norm = ntsc input = tuner capture = overlay [launch] mixer = M, gtkaumix AleVT = Ctrl+A, alevt # [Station name] # capture = overlay | grabdisplay | on | off # input = tuner | Composite1 | S-Video | ... # norm = PAL | NTSC | SECAM | ... # channel = # # fine = # (-128..+127) # key = keysym | modifier+keysym # color = # # bright = # # hue = # # contrast = # [KEZI] channel = 9 audio = stereo [KVAL] channel = 13 audio = stereo [KMTR] channel = 16 audio = stereo [KEVU] channel = 23 audio = stereo [KEPB] channel = 28 audio = stereo [KLSR] channel = 34 audio = stereo [KAMK] channel = 53 audio = stereo [KHWB] channel = 59 audio = stereo [K63CG] channel = 63 audio = stereo Kent Loobey ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote*: Does anyone know how to configure either MoTV or XawTV? I can't fine anyway to tell it what the local broadcast stations are around here. Thanks. Kent ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [Eug-lug]MoTV or XawTV
Thanks for the information. It turns out that I needed to tell tuner that it is type=2. On Monday 30 December 2002 12:53 pm, you wrote: On Monday 30 December 2002 12:00 pm, Kent Loobey wrote: Kent, It sounds like your using PAL instead of NTSC, or that youve loaded the module improperly... I had a simular issue and it was becuase I was using PAL. There is an frequency offset option in your xawtv, I have an offset of +6 (this makes the channels tune in better... heres what I have... fine = +6 Heres what dmesg shows about my tuner... Linux video capture interface: v1.00 i2c-core.o: i2c core module i2c-algo-bit.o: i2c bit algorithm module i2c-core.o: driver i2c TV tuner driver registered. bttv: driver version 0.7.91 loaded bttv: using 2 buffers with 2080k (4160k total) for capture bttv: Host bridge is Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 620 Host bttv: Bt8xx card found (0). PCI: Found IRQ 3 for device 00:09.0 PCI: Sharing IRQ 3 with 00:09.1 bttv0: Bt878 (rev 2) at 00:09.0, irq: 3, latency: 64, memory: 0xe7dfe000 bttv0: detected: (Askey Magic/others) TView99 CPH06x [card=38], PCI subsystem ID is 144f:3000 bttv0: using: BT878(TView99 CPH06X) [card=38,insmod option] tuner: probing bt848 #0 i2c adapter [id=0x10005] tuner: chip found @ 0xc0 bttv0: i2c attach [client=Temic NTSC (4036 FY5),ok] i2c-core.o: client [Temic NTSC (4036 FY5)] registered to adapter [bt848 #0](pos. 0). i2c-core.o: adapter bt848 #0 registered as adapter 0. bttv0: i2c: checking for MSP34xx @ 0x80... not found bttv0: i2c: checking for TDA9875 @ 0xb0... not found bttv0: i2c: checking for TDA7432 @ 0x8a... not found tvaudio: TV audio decoder + audio/video mux driver tvaudio: known chips: tda9840,tda9873h,tda9874h/a,tda9850,tda9855,tea6300,tea6420,tda8425,pic16c5 4 (PV951) i2c-core.o: driver generic i2c audio driver registered. bttv0: registered device video0 bttv0: registered device vbi0 bttv0: PLL: 28636363 = 35468950 ... ok bttv0: PLL: switching off and heres my .xawtv: bubba@bubba:~$ cat .xawtv [global] ratio = 4:3 freqtab = us-cable pixsize = 128 x 96 pixcols = 1 jpeg-quality = 75 keypad-ntsc = no keypad-partial = yes osd = yes #channel = 3 # [Station name] # capture = overlay | grabdisplay | on | off # input = Television | Composite1 | S-Video | ... # norm = PAL | NTSC | SECAM | ... # channel = # # fine = # (-128..+127) # key = keysym | modifier+keysym # color = # # bright = # # hue = # # contrast = # [defaults] norm = NTSC input = Television capture = grab color = 47% bright = 63% hue = 47% contrast = 42% audio = stereo fine = +6 channel = 3 #[global] #freqtab = us-cable #[defaults] #input = Television #norm = NTSC [VCR] channel = 3 bubba@bubba:~$ As you can see from the defaults, my tuner is tuned to chanel 3 because I use it with my vcr, its easier for me to use the vcr remote... but Ive used it w/out the vcr, but it needs a really good signal to tune in anything... which is one reason I use the VCR... it works really good with cable... but hooking up an antenna to the tv tuner is a lesson in frustration... If you send more details (such as the tv tuner card info... what brand, model, ... I maybe able to find a better config for you. Jamie : On Monday 30 December 2002 11:35 am, you wrote: : Does anyone know how to configure either MoTV or XawTV? : : I can't fined anyway to tell it what the local broadcast stations are : around here. : : Maybe I should be more specific. It seems to find the channels but the : numbers are off by one, e.g., 10 instead of 9, 29 instead of 28, etc. : : Thanks. : : Kent : ___ : Eug-LUG mailing list : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug : : ___ : Eug-LUG mailing list : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [Eug-lug]MoTV or XawTV
On Monday 30 December 2002 11:35 am, you wrote: Does anyone know how to configure either MoTV or XawTV? I can't fined anyway to tell it what the local broadcast stations are around here. Maybe I should be more specific. It seems to find the channels but the numbers are off by one, e.g., 10 instead of 9, 29 instead of 28, etc. Thanks. Kent ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
[Eug-lug]Fwd: EFFector15.38: End of Year Message from Shari Steele, ALERT: Total Information Awareness
Does anyone know, if I join the EFF will I get an entry in the TIA database? Will being a card carrying member of the EFF give me the same status as the ACLU member or do I need to join both to get that level of status? -- Forwarded Message -- Subject: EFFector15.38: End of Year Message from Shari Steele, ALERT: Total Information Awareness Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 23:53:16 -0800 (PST) From: Effector List [EMAIL PROTECTED] EFFector Vol. 15, No. 38 December 6, 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] A Publication of the Electronic Frontier FoundationISSN 1062-9424 In the 237th Issue of EFFector: * End of Year Message from Shari Steele * ALERT: Total Information Awareness: Big Brother Comes to America * Court Considers Morpheus Peer-to-Peer Software Case * Hollywood Gets Norway to Try Jon Johansen Three Years Later * Holiday Party (With PGP Key-Signing Extravaganza!) * Deep Links (5): An Inside Look at China Filters * Administrivia For more information on EFF activities alerts: http://www.eff.org/ To join EFF or make an additional donation: http://www.eff.org/support/ EFF is a member-supported nonprofit. Please sign up as a member today! -=end=--- * End of Year Message from Shari Steele Dear Friends, It's hard to believe another year has passed so quickly. The climate at EFF has been pretty intense over the past year. Our government has posed serious threats to freedom with the passage of the USA Patriot Act and the Homeland Security Act. These two laws provide unprecedented governmental surveillance of citizens, minus supervisory checks and balances. Equally troubling is the government's Information Awareness Office, which is researching methods for connecting databases in order to compile extensive dossiers on citizens. In addition, content industries -- record companies and movie studios in particular -- continue attempts to restructure technology that would bolster their current revenue streams. Unfortunately, this systematic redesign has serious ramifications that affect your ability to play CDs or record broadcast television programs. EFF has been attending standards meetings, fighting lawsuits and talking to Congressional and agency staffers about the inherent difficulties in Hollywood's stance. Ironically, while civil liberties are under serious attack from several fronts, non-profit fundraising has never been more daunting. So, once again, I'm asking for your assistance. There are currently over 30,000 individuals who receive EFFector. Only 7,500 recipients have taken the next step and become members of the Electronic Frontier Foundation. If we received commitments from even half of all EFFector subscribers, we could double our membership overnight. This is important to us for several reasons. Membership dues are used exclusively to maintain the essential functions of our organization. In addition, a larger membership base increases our influence with Congressional policymakers and within federal agencies. If you appreciate the work we do, please join now. If you're already a member, please consider showing your support for EFF with an additional gift before the end of the year to help sustain us in 2003. Both the board and staff of EFF extend a warm thank you for all the support you've shown over the past year. Without your generous contributions, our presence and power would be greatly diminished. Wishing you and yours a happy holiday season, Shari Steele Executive Director Electronic Frontier Foundation -=end=--- * ALERT: Total Information Awareness: Big Brother Comes to America This may sound like science fiction, but Total Information Awareness (TIA) is a *real* threat to your civil liberties. TIA is a Defense Department project that is creating a range of technologies for a surveillance society. Here's a taste of what it plans to do: ~ Expand Communications Surveillance Capabilities - TIA wants computers to look and listen for interesting information and patterns in our electronic communications (phone calls, e-mail, instant messaging, websites, etc.) using speech-to-text, language translation and text-mining technologies. ~ Link and Search All Public and Private Databases - TIA wants to build a virtual meta-base of information that would include everything from your child's medical history to what groceries you buy. This would also be passively searched for patterns. ~ Biometric Identification - TIA proposes aggressive research into biometric surveillance technology like facial, iris, expression, and gait recognition. This technology would allow your movements to be tracked without your consent or knowledge. If TIA continues, the government will effectively have wiretaps, dossiers, and tracking devices for every American citizen. But don't worry, it's headed by John Poindexter. That's right. In a head-shaking lack of
Re: [Eug-lug]ANNOUNCEMENT: December PLUG Meeting
On Tuesday 03 December 2002 04:57 pm, you wrote: Is 3pm okay?? I talked my boss into letting me go then... I want to leave Eugene at 3PM. hopeful, Ben B On Mon, 2002-12-02 at 14:09, Kent Loobey wrote: On Monday 02 December 2002 12:22 pm, you wrote: Anyone going to P-town on Thursday?? I'd love to go, need a ride, and can help with gas (or even driving if desired)... I'm going. What time can you leave? I would like to stop at Fry's and Powells. ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
[Eug-lug]Big brother is watching!
The Register-Guard had an editorial this morning on the Total Information Awareness Project. After reading it I was curious about what the IAO logo looked like. So, if you are interested too then here is a link. http://www.darpa.mil/iao/ According to The Register-Guard, Scientia Est Potentia means Knowledge Is Power, i.e., The government's knowledge about you is it's power over you. Well I guess I didn't really need to spell it out. I remember J. E. Hover and the McCarthy ERA. I'm sure it could never happen again though. ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [Eug-lug]ANNOUNCEMENT: December PLUG Meeting
On Monday 02 December 2002 12:22 pm, you wrote: Anyone going to P-town on Thursday?? I'd love to go, need a ride, and can help with gas (or even driving if desired)... I'm going. What time can you leave? I would like to stop at Fry's and Powells. On Mon, 2002-12-02 at 12:07, David Mandel wrote: MEETING ANNOUNCEMENT The Portland Linux/Unix Group will meet 7 PM Thursday Dec 5, 2002 ... Video Capture, Editing, and DVDs/SVCDs by Fedor Pikus [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [Eug-lug]A business proposal to Kent Loobey and potentially interested individuals
On Monday 02 December 2002 02:16 pm, you wrote: Kent Pardon my slow response, I had to attend to the holiday. Thank you Dexter ...snip... synergy to this business and they mutually benefit. Brian A. Gallagher [EMAIL PROTECTED] digesting ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [Eug-lug]ANNOUNCEMENT: December PLUG Meeting
On Monday 02 December 2002 02:09 pm, you wrote: On Mon, Dec 02, 2002 at 02:09:41PM -0800, Kent Loobey wrote: On Monday 02 December 2002 12:22 pm, you wrote: Anyone going to P-town on Thursday?? I'd love to go, need a ride, and can help with gas (or even driving if desired)... I'm going. What time can you leave? I would like to stop at Fry's and Powells. How big is this car? My car seats 5 (including the driver) total. *grin* This is starting to sound like a good road trip. ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [Eug-lug]Python Class at LCC
So I'm interested. What's the project all about. What are you going to do? On Tuesday 26 November 2002 09:51 am, you wrote: Yes. The project will have multiple purposes and one of those is to use all open source software . Now that I have used RH 8.0 I would say that Linux is ready for prime time. I find that time and again that the general public have never heard of open source software. I want to show them something that isn't another email client. No offence to the latest traffic but I observe that technical discussions do not reach out to the general public. I hope I speak for some of us when I say that it is in our interest to promote open source software. I feel it is my civic duty to explain the democratic nature of open source in these very dark times of information retrieval. Yes, I am trying to make a buck too. P.S. I love my new Dakota mini-scout KVM switch, but it makes a small clicking sound out of the left speaker when I type, maybe I need to ground the case (For the technically absorbed.) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Kent Loobey Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 2:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Eug-lug]Python Class at LCC On Monday 25 November 2002 02:25 pm, you wrote: Would you be interested in collaborating on an animation related business project? Is the animation going to run on a Linux system or just be created using Blender? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Benjamin Huot Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2002 12:20 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Eug-lug]Python Class at LCC The link to the instructor's website is broken. What specifically does this course teach - I'm especially interested in the graphical side? 11/24/2002 10:02:11 AM, Bob Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We got our winter term class schedule from Lane Community College a couple of days ago. Here is Chris Meyers' Python class. 5396 Applications of Programming. Here's the course description. http://www.lanecc.edu/schedule/community/computer10.htm I'm planning to sign up for this -- who else is? -- Bob Miller Kbob kbobsoft software consulting http://kbobsoft.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug ^ ^ (*) (*) = \ / = o o ? /// \ /// % /// @ ////// /// \\ | | | // \\ U U U // U U Ben Huot Peasant-Scholar [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [Eug-lug]Presentations
On Tuesday 19 November 2002 05:13 am, you wrote: On Sun, Nov 17, 2002 at 04:35:38PM -0800, Jacob Meuser wrote: I would still absolutely love to see a presentation on configuring CUPS the hard way. Why? Perhaps you should read the sources for lpadmin and some IPP documentation. Have you actually looked at the CUPS documentation? It's terrible! That said, I did manage to figure out how it all works, and could probably help someone else do it now, but it was a total pain to do the first time. Most dists still use lpr or lprng, and CUPS is an all around better print system. Well, again, read the sources and docs. Both have their optimal uses. At an OpenBSD hackathon, lpr/lpd was used to spool mp3s ... CUPS is not really that flexible. I think ... um ... I think this is not what lpr was intended for. =) This is especially useful since CUPS is available for Linux and other UNIX platforms, is the standard print system used by MacOS X, and CUPS can cooperate with Windows relatively easily once you actually configure it. Like everything else, there many options for filtering whatever type of input you have and turning it into postscript.. Yes, CUPS does make things simpler, and AFAIK, the is only IPP implementation for *nix. Nothing is simpler than magicfilterconfig, really. Getting from here to there, however, is not so trivial. Consider: - Several distributions now use CUPS - Those which don't probably offer it or will soon - MacOS X uses CUPS - Windows 2000/XP use Internet Printing Protocol - CUPS supports talking to and listening to lpd servers All in all, there aren't many reasons to use anything else anymore for printing. =) How about I can't get it to work with my printer. This sounds like a pretty good reason for not using it to me. And yes I brought my computer and printer to a clinic and no one else could get it to work with CUPS either. And yes I have the ppd file for my printer and yes it works under Windows and yes it used to work under Linux before all the distro started switching to CUPS. Just because a piece of crap is readily available doesn't mean it is a good choice. ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [Eug-lug]CUPS presentation
On Tuesday 19 November 2002 11:48 am, you wrote: Okay, you guys have demonstrated that there's strong interest in CUPS, Wrong. I have no further interest in CUPS. that there's a strong need for more info than the current CUPS documentation provides, and that there's some CUPS expertise in our group. So who's going to give the CUPS demo in January? ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [Eug-lug]Debian/Openbsd cancled on account of... security!
On Wednesday 30 October 2002 15:35, you wrote: ..snip... Hey, looks like I'm not the only one disappointed with Debian's installation mess ... http://www.debianplanet.org/node.php?id=831 Speaking of Progeny, has anyone tried to use their Debian installer? ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [Eug-lug]Debian/Openbsd cancled on account of... security!
On Thursday 31 October 2002 10:28, you wrote: Kent Loobey wrote: On Wednesday 30 October 2002 15:35, you wrote: ..snip... Hey, looks like I'm not the only one disappointed with Debian's installation mess ... http://www.debianplanet.org/node.php?id=831 Speaking of Progeny, has anyone tried to use their Debian installer? I have. Roger and Mike each gave gave me a PGI Woody CD last Thursday, and over the weekend I used it twice. The first install was for a development workstation which I wanted to run testing on after the install. It wasn't bug free, but it was a lot easier than installing from regular Debian CDs. It uses gnome-tasksel to select tasks. There are about 30 tasks in about six groups in Woody, so you don't have to choose from 9,000 packages. The second install was for a server running stable. That one basically failed -- I'm going to wipe the disk and do it over using the regular CDs. The PGI disk really assumes you're building a workstation. Thanks. Is there any chance I could get a copy of your cd tonight? ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [Eug-lug]screen readers and recorders under Linux
The November issue of Linux Format (page 8, Prestigious award for GNOME accessibility) has a note on accessibility as implemented in GNOME. Specifically it mentions Gnopernicus, an extension to the GNOME2 desktop for blind or visually impared users, and the GNOME Onscreen Keyboard (GOK) which provides an input method for users with limited voluntary movement. The GNOME Human Interface Guide for developers can be found here: http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gup/hig/1.0/intro.html On Friday 25 October 2002 12:34, you wrote: I have been working with some blind computer users in Eugene and I would like to do some experimenting in the use of screen readers under Linux. I found this article, as well as the site, to be of interest of Linux users. http://www.betterhumans.com/News/news.aspx?articleID=2002-10-09-1 I would like to use a screen reader/recorder that could capture articles on this site for conversion to MP3's or Ogg's that I could listen to. I've been told that the disembodied voice of typical screen readers can get quite annoying and I wanted to experience it for myself under field conditions. What is out there? P.S. Not necessarily psyched about primary use of this Supercluster, but, heck I was in a Nuke missile unit when the Wall came down in '89. ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
[Eug-lug]LinTV
Has anyone, here, used a Linux Media Labs' LinTV pci card? ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [Eug-lug]Mandrake 9.0
At 02:35 PM 9/26/02 -0700, you wrote: Mandrake 9.0 is out. Umm, isn't that just Release Candidate 3? Is there a meeting tonight at efn. Jim K ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
[EUG-LUG:2528] Re: LTSP meeting EUGLUG meeting
On Thursday 02 May 2002 02:25 pm, you wrote: Seth Cohn ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote*: --- Larry Price [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Come by EFN on friday, it's art walk, so you can stand around, talk about computers, look at art, and act sophisticated so you can attract the women who come by to look at the art. Does this *really* work? Dependent on certain key factors, the quality of the art must exceed the gullibility of the women, and the emulation of sophistication has to be consistent. And you can't sit there and wax on about computers alone, especially about emulation, no matter how sophisicated it might be... remember the art's the thing. (grin) Seth And you have to make them think you are sincere. Is this emulated or simulated sincerity? __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com
[EUG-LUG:2390] Mandrake 8.1 - 8.2
How can I make sure that after I install Mandrake 8.2 that I can get my system set up again for kmail and konqueror. I don't trust that an upgrade will work so how do I print out my konqueror bookmarks and my kmail address book, folders, and filters? Kent
[EUG-LUG:2103] Meeting tonight?
Is there going to be a meeting tonight? If so is there any chance I could bring some blank CDs and get a copy of Mandrake 8.2? I know last week would have been better but I had to go out of town so this week is the best I could do... If there is a meeting tonight where and when will it occur? Thanks. Kent
[EUG-LUG:775] Re: Thursday Clinic Reminder - Emerald Park
On Tuesday 01 January 2002 10:21 am, you wrote: Neil Parker wrote: Err...according to date(1), tomorrow isn't Thursday... That's right. I was just testing to see who's paying attention. (-: Yes, the meeting's Thursday, not tomorrow. I got confused by being up past midnight. Is this the first sign of a Y2K.2 bug?
[EUG-LUG:1] Re: How Microsoft invented open source, by Billg
Way way back when micro computers were just getting started Bill Gates was already fighting the free exchange of software. In fact he wrote a letter to BYTE magazine (it could have been Dr. Dobbs but I think it was BYTE) complaining that people were sharing his basic interpreter just like they were every other piece of software that was being created for micro processors at that time. The norm at the time was to share development and charging for software was thought to be immoral. Dr. Dobbs got its start publishing issue after issue (in newspaper format) the development and advancement of tiny basic. I remember getting issues and eagerly typing in the machine code so that I would be able to try out the current iteration. Needles to say Bill Gates was not happy about this state of affairs. He has been working ever since to make sure that we pay him and pay often. On Friday 09 November 2001 09:19 am, you wrote: http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/22749.html How Microsoft invented open source, by Billg By John Lettice Posted: 09/11/2001 at 12:26 GMT The open source movement wouldn't exist without Microsoft, Bill Gates told his company's shareholder meeting earlier this week. Open source is also a follower, not an innovator, and destroys jobs, the economy and world peace (we made that last bit up). Gates was responding to a question from the audience. The transcript doesn't say who it was, but the question itself makes you wonder how the blazes some Linux-loving hippy longhair got into the meeting in the first place: It appears to me that the open source movement is gaining momentum, and as I understand it the key to success of a software product involves efficiently building an ecosystem of developers and users, resellers, and so forth. Doesn't the open source model [offer] a more efficient paradigm for building such a community around your products, and isn't perhaps Microsoft maybe on the wrong side of that trend of long-term? Good heavens. Gates kicked off his response by claiming credit for building the environment in which open source could thrive: the reason that you see open source there at all is because we came in and said there should be a platform that's identical with millions and millions of machines, and the bios of that should be open to everybody to use, and all the extensibility should be there. Historians will note that this is absolutely not what Microsoft came in and said, if it can be deemed to have come in and said anything at all of significance, back in the early days. Microsoft said it would produce an operating system for the IBM PC, and retained the rights to sell MS-DOS to other computer manufacturers. The openness of the bios would have been news to the IBM lawyers who spent the next few years busting illegal clones, and to the people working for outfits like Compaq who put such effort into developing clean IBM PC clones they couldn't bust. The companies who bought what Microsoft was saying at the time, that the platform was MS-DOS, not the IBM PC, will be scratching their heads over all those warehouses full of unsaleable MS-DOS computers they had, it having turned out that software was developed for the specific IBM platform, and not for all MS-DOS platforms after all. To be fair, this early vision failure hurt Microsoft a little too, making roadkill of its first take on a spreadsheet, Multiplan. And to be even more fair, Bill may be making it up about what he was saying back in 1987-89, rather than 1981. But then he was saying first that OS/2 was the platform of the future (we still have the video clip), and subsequently performing strange dances involving Windows, NT, MIPS (remember ACE?), Alpha and IBM that ultimately left Wintel as last man standing. If he made a clear, single-platform statement of vision during that period we must have missed it, and that is surely our fault. But back to this week's visions. Diplomatically, Bill says free software has a role: We certainly accept free software as part of the software ecosystem. In fact, there's a very virtuous cycle where people do free things, some people find that adequate, sometimes companies will take that work and turn it into commercial products, those companies will hire people, pay taxes. And so you see the free software and the commercial software existing together. There you have Bill's view of how the good free software movement should perform, tapping away at the creation of baseline adequate functionality so other people can - we hesitate to say 'steal' - it, develop it and make money out of it. Actually, if he'd just leave it at that he wouldn't be far off the way it operates in real life - people make money out of adding stuff, packing and distributing, support, installation and so forth. Fair enough, just work on the terminology, Bill. But he won't leave it at that, will he? Enter the
[EUG-LUG:3603] Re: microsoft .... sigh :(
Great news! Be sure to vote republican in the next election. On Friday 02 November 2001 11:06 am, you wrote: Well... It looks like they've made a weak deal with microsoft OEM's will be allowed to remove some icons on the desktop, and replace them with their own... sigh... I saw it on CNN... heres an article if you want to read it... http://www.cnn.com/money/2001/11/02/technology/microsoft/ Jamie
[EUG-LUG:3569] RE: Robbing from the rich......
It would be interesting to ask Amazon and Intel how much $$$ they contributed to the Open Source movement now that they have saved so much by taking advantage of it. On Wednesday 31 October 2001 10:32 am, you wrote: unfortunately, in today's economy, all we CAN focus on is the money. it really saddens me that these reports are all about how much some company saved because they use linux. nobody really cares about the GPL or the philosophy behind it. does anybody really think that intel and amazon were looking at anything other than their pocketbooks when deciding on linux? one thing that really appeals to me about linux is the GPL (the whole concept of sharing information and welcome contribution is incredible to me. the social ramifications are staggering.). while i like the aspect of little or no cost, it's not like i actually ever paid for a microsoft product in my life anyway franticly cooks down the incriminating evidence... big companies, on the other hand, have to worry about per seat liscences and other such nonsense. $$$ is ALL they care about. thus, linux is a viable alternative because it's free (as in free beer) compared to micro$quish. and while people may mail me back with some links about how such-and-such company or the other is embracing the GPL, in my mind it all boils down to $$$. greed is a powerful factor when dealing with today's (and yesterday's) business' of course, it's not like i wasn't at least _slightly_ motivated by the free aspect of linux... but i'll still continue paying for quality software. hell, i may even buy the boxed red-hat 7.2. or buy my sister a boxed mandrake distro for christmas. -Original Message- From: Matthew Winther [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 9:51 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [EUG-LUG:3557] Robbing from the rich.. Just a thought, If Intel, is saving 225 million and Amazon is saving like 25 million by switching to Linux, then thats 250 million dollars thats NOT going to Microsoft, Interesting, don't you think? Matthew Winther [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EUG-LUG:3570] RE: Robbing from the rich......
On Wednesday 31 October 2001 12:36 pm, you wrote: $$$ is definitely NOT all that big companies care about. It's just not that simple. sorry, i should clarify again. i was refering to big corporations, not neccesarily large business (although the two are _almost_ interchangable) these are my opinions based on what i have observed about the business world. it's not neccesarily the truth. Businesses care about things like being dependent on a single source for getting products that are important to success. being dependent on one source for software and services IS bad. but the motivating force is cash. if you have an alternate source that costs less for the same (or better) quality service or product, which do you choose? and do you stick with it even when another solution comes up that will cost less and offer the same or better services? you only stick with the current service or solution when the cost of upgrading and the perceived cost of using the newer solution are higher than your previous operating costs. and if the current solution is getting you cash (success), why change? And also about planned obsolescence built into windoze products. They care about existing hardware vendor support, and about being able to adapt existing software and hardware to tomorrow's needs. to save the cost of upgrading later. And about the ability to upgrade, and the expectation about upgrade costs in terms of time and effort and about simplifying the issues related to license compliance. because all that time and effort boils down to one thing : cash. you have to pay for the time and effort. time is money. why is everybody so angry about liscence compliance? because it costs time (read : money) to make sure that all of those computers are compliant. Also because the corporations are liable for any infringement even if they didn't know about it. Like employees that bring software in from elsewhere.. Big businesses care about downtime and reliable delivery of goods and services. That's why Linux makes sense for business. This is not always obvious to business... because it's cheap and doesn't crash, thus saving a company from worrying about downtime, which cuts into profits. if there's no downtime, more services and product can be shipped more reliably, thus resulting in, you guessed it, more cash. the only motivating force behind a corporation is profit. you have to please the investors. if you don't make money, people don't invest in you. Actually corporations are *required* by their charters to make profit (unless they are registered as non-profit). Like you, I like the GPL concept, and I'm glad that it works. It's probably attractive to some businesses, too. Especially those outside of the software development industry. If a business creates some useful piece of software, it doesn't hurt to share it if the direct competition isn't unjustly enriched. direct, pointed opinion that's true. but i still believe it all comes down to the bottom line. if a corporation isn't worried about the GPL and even enjoys using it and helping others out, it still boils down to their profits. PR helps drive profits. and looking like a nice big brother who helps out the underdogs by sharing is great PR (much as i admire IBM and their willingness towards linux, i think this is part of their plan...)/direct, pointed opinion Actually IBM hopes that linux and Open Source will break Microsoft's lock on the market. This is something IBM has not been able to do by themself. unjustly enriched? never mind, i'm not going to be an ass and nit-pick that to death. sorry i even thought about it... I'm appalled that many businesses find it acceptable and even appealing to continue doing business with a supplier that has so blatantly and repeatedly broken anti-trust laws. To me, it's like hiring a felon, or taking on partner that you already know is dishonest. Why would a business want the disgrace? i'm with you there. it's something i've never even considered... and the more i think about it, the more wrong it seems. -Original Message- From: Ralph Zeller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 11:57 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [EUG-LUG:3566] RE: Robbing from the rich..
[EUG-LUG:3574] That old pumpkin you didn't know what to do with...
http://www.erickson.stfrancisville.com/pumpkin/index2.htm
[EUG-LUG:3487] Re: OCF/Community Village
Can I come to this meeting even though I didn't participate this year at the Country Fair? On Saturday 27 October 2001 11:03 am, you wrote: Jamie, Maybe, but you gotta come to the meetings. Truthfully, we'd have to score a mighty coup to get ourselves a third camping pass for Euglug, but if we have three attending meetings... Now if we can get representation at Energy Park General Meetings, or the equivalent... On Fri, 26 Oct 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just found my post card with the comvill info on it yesterday! So... If I go to cv meetings again this year will I get the oportunity to buy a camping pass this year? Jamie I'd like to note for the record that even though it's unenforced, it REALLY DOES make a difference if you're trying to make a difference. Beyond making a difference, you're more likely to be allocated a pass if you show up!! Beyond getting a pass, the meetings are a great way to get to know the community village community. Ultimately, I feel that CV is a good place for the LUG to be centered (though Energy Park would be sometimes more appropriate) at the OCF, but my last two years there suggest to me that we need more organization -- we can do a lot more, esp. if we can move forward to implement terminals around the fair rather than wowing people with the internet at one booth... the booth would be better served with human-to-human communication. shanti cheers, Ben /shanti Edward Craig wrote: ...While the Community Village has never enforced it on Euglug, there is a requirement that all persons receiving passes (camping or day) attend at least two general meetings and/or work parties (work party dates have yet to be set) before the Fair --- -
[EUG-LUG:3490] Re: OCF/Community Village
When is it? On Saturday 27 October 2001 03:18 pm, you wrote: Kent, It's pretty much open to all. On Sat, 27 Oct 2001, Kent Loobey wrote: Can I come to this meeting even though I didn't participate this year at the Country Fair? On Saturday 27 October 2001 11:03 am, you wrote: Jamie, Maybe, but you gotta come to the meetings. Truthfully, we'd have to score a mighty coup to get ourselves a third camping pass for Euglug, but if we have three attending meetings... Now if we can get representation at Energy Park General Meetings, or the equivalent... On Fri, 26 Oct 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just found my post card with the comvill info on it yesterday! So... If I go to cv meetings again this year will I get the oportunity to buy a camping pass this year? Jamie I'd like to note for the record that even though it's unenforced, it REALLY DOES make a difference if you're trying to make a difference. Beyond making a difference, you're more likely to be allocated a pass if you show up!! Beyond getting a pass, the meetings are a great way to get to know the community village community. Ultimately, I feel that CV is a good place for the LUG to be centered (though Energy Park would be sometimes more appropriate) at the OCF, but my last two years there suggest to me that we need more organization -- we can do a lot more, esp. if we can move forward to implement terminals around the fair rather than wowing people with the internet at one booth... the booth would be better served with human-to-human communication. shanti cheers, Ben /shanti Edward Craig wrote: ...While the Community Village has never enforced it on Euglug, there is a requirement that all persons receiving passes (camping or day) attend at least two general meetings and/or work parties (work party dates have yet to be set) before the Fair --- -
[EUG-LUG:3314] CD-ROM access rights
How do I set my access rights so I can access my CD-ROM? When I check my rights on /dev/cdrom it says that it is owned by root but user, group, and other all have read, write, and execute rights to it. The /dev directory shows other with read and execute rights to it. So it seems to me that I should be able to access this CD-ROM to play music from it.
[EUG-LUG:3328] Pentium III
Does anyone know where I can get an Intel Pentium III 500 MHz (100 MHz buss) Slot 1 processor cartridge?
[EUG-LUG:3329] Re: [sussman@collab.net: Subversion milestones 4 and 5]
What do you think it does better than CVS? On Friday 19 October 2001 18:25, you wrote: I got this through the subversion-announce list. If you're wondering what the naughty word Subversion is, it is a new, open source version control system. Its authors want to replace CVS. It's a fairly ambitious effort, and it's making good progress. (The project started around April, 2000.) For more information, http://subversion.tigris.org/ Kbob - Forwarded message from Ben Collins-Sussman [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Ben Collins-Sussman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 19 Oct 2001 15:33:29 -0500 Subject: Subversion milestones 4 and 5 Subversion milestones 4 and 5 have been completed in parallel. * Milestone 4 is a major bugfix release, involving fixing bugs related to the network layer (discovered after M3 made us self-hosting!)... and other problems. * Milestone 5 optimizes the deltified storage system of the repository. We'll now be able to safely turn on the compressed storage on our server without any noticable performance hits. A new bootstrap tarball has been posted to the website: http://subversion.tigris.org/servlets/ProjectDocumentList And instructions for bootstrapping are here as usual: http://subversion.tigris.org/project_source.html If you've ever been scared of playing with Subversion well, I guess you still should be. Our releases are still best labeled as developer friendly, not necessarily user friendly yet. :-) --Ben Collins-Sussman [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - End forwarded message -
[EUG-LUG:3331] Re: CD-ROM access rights
On Thursday 18 October 2001 00:22, you wrote: Kent, Do you want to change the rights on the file? device? I think what you really want is to change the way the device is mounted, not the rights. Heres the way mandrake mounts cdroms, so users can access them, and so they can be opened/changed w/out using a mount command... try this entry in your /etc/fstab, comment out your other line for the cd, and add this one... /mnt/cdrom /mnt/cdrom supermount fs=iso9660,dev=/dev/cdrom 0 0 This is what my /etc/fstab file contains. Well almost, actually its: /mnt/cdrom /mnt/cdrom supermount dev=/dev/cdrom,fs=iso9660 0 0 then unmount /dev/cdrom then mount -a (this reads the fstab to mount all mount points) all of the above will have to be done as root (hehe scissors cool!) Jamie On Friday 19 October 2001 10:23 am, you wrote: How do I set my access rights so I can access my CD-ROM? When I check my rights on /dev/cdrom it says that it is owned by root but user, group, and other all have read, write, and execute rights to it. The /dev directory shows other with read and execute rights to it. So it seems to me that I should be able to access this CD-ROM to play music from it.
[EUG-LUG:3292] Num Lock
Anyone know right off hand where to look in Mandrake 8.1 / KDE to turn off NumLock? Thanks. Kent
[EUG-LUG:3294] RE: Num Lock
Okay, I found it in the Control Center On Wednesday 17 October 2001 13:31, you wrote: usually you set that kind of thing in the system bios. -Original Message- From: Kent Loobey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 1:33 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [EUG-LUG:3292] Num Lock Anyone know right off hand where to look in Mandrake 8.1 / KDE to turn off NumLock? Thanks. Kent
[EUG-LUG:3278] Re: KMail?
Jamie, Thanks, that helped me fix it. Kent On Monday 15 October 2001 11:00, you wrote: $USER/.kde/share/config/kmailrc is probably the file you want... Try cat $USER/.kde/share/config/kmailrc | kmailrc |grep linux or cat $USER/.kde/share/config/kmailrc | kmailrc |grep Kent Jamie On Monday 15 October 2001 10:24 am, you wrote: When I upgraded to Mandrake 8.1 from Mandrake 8.0 KMail kept a reference to an account but not the file(?) that contained the data describing that account. Now I can't get rid of the reference because it can't find it to get rid of it. So my question is How do I find the file that contains the KMail file account reference?
[EUG-LUG:3252] KMail?
When I upgraded to Mandrake 8.1 from Mandrake 8.0 KMail kept a reference to an account but not the file(?) that contained the data describing that account. Now I can't get rid of the reference because it can't find it to get rid of it. So my question is How do I find the file that contains the KMail file account reference?
[EUG-LUG:3131] Thursday's meeting?
Can someone give me instructions on how to get to Thursday's meeting? Thanks. Kent
[EUG-LUG:3018] RE: Mandrake ISOs mirror
On Friday 28 September 2001 18:18, you wrote: On Fri, Sep 28, 2001 at 05:48:19PM -0700, Kent Loobey wrote: also, always do an MD5sum on the file to be sure it's exactly the same. Okay, so how does one do this? $ cat file |md5sum Is this $ cat file | md5sum where | are included or is file replaced with a file name and |md5sum a typo?
[EUG-LUG:3019] Window of opportunity?
Slashdot has a set of links to various articles on Microsoft mechanizations. The question is can Microsoft do it self in?
[EUG-LUG:3002] RE: Mandrake ISOs mirror
On Friday 28 September 2001 13:57, you wrote: What were you using to download. DO NOT use a browser, that is a sure way to get a coaster. Download using a real download program ( proz, wget, curl, etc...) They probably died cause I was working on the box, restarting apache... you MUST have something that will continue after interuptions. Never download a huge file without one. also, always do an MD5sum on the file to be sure it's exactly the same. Okay, so how does one do this? A bit error can screw your CD install up badly. Seth --- Ben Barrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Seth, I've been having some problems; I had all three d/lng and was getting about 25K/sec total, then all three died. What struck me as odd was that the files were written in part -- I thought they'd only write if it was really complete... we seem to be having some bandwidth limitations on our DSL today, so maybe I'll try tonight or on the weekend. btw, I tried again and had the same problem, with the file seeming finished before it really was. Will try l8r. thanks, ben -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- slide to www.euglug.org and benb.org ~ shanti ~ in lake'ch, my kin... Finally, I (this text) would be delighted to be included, in whole or in part, in your next discussion of self-reference. With that in mind, please allow me to appologize in advance for infecting you. __ Do You Yahoo!? Listen to your Yahoo! Mail messages from any phone. http://phone.yahoo.com
[EUG-LUG:3003] RE: Mandrake ISOs mirror
On Friday 28 September 2001 17:02, you wrote: Under windows, I like download acclerator plus. Seems fast and fairly reliable. Hmm, acclerator plus is the name of a program? Is it part of Windows NT or do you have to get it somewhere else? -Original Message- From: Bob Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 4:58 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [EUG-LUG:2998] RE: Mandrake ISOs mirror Seth Cohn wrote: What were you using to download. DO NOT use a browser, that is a sure way to get a coaster. Download using a real download program ( proz, wget, curl, etc...) Anne and I were just having this discussion. What should she use under Winders to download a large file? We were also looking for ssh-based solutions...
[EUG-LUG:2928] Re: RPMs in general (my thoughts)
I guess I was looking for a Internet source for RPMs that were most likely to work with Mandrake 8.1... On Saturday 22 September 2001 21:48, you wrote: It is my experience with my Mandrake system (8.1.3-Raktel beta) that a good number of RPMs that I've downloaded and installed have gone in without any major problems. Occasionally I find out I need a library or something and I usually head to RPMfind.net to grab those. Building tar.gz's really isn't that difficult and sometime easier to get working than an RPM. The only problem I've had with the Mandrake system lately has been rebuilding source (*.src.rpm) RPMs. Of course that is usually the best way to go because it's generally not looking for a certain kernel source or anything. Hope the info helps. Later. Mr. O Now it seems to me that there must be someplace on the Internet where I could find RPMs that will install on a Mandrake system with little problem. Is this true or is the only way to get software that installs on a Mandrake 8.0 system is to buy a boxed set from Mandrake? _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
[EUG-LUG:2926] Mandrake 8.0 RPM software?
I have Mandrake 8.0 loaded on my system. I loaded it by downloading two ISOs. One could buy a boxed pro pack set for $70.00 (contains 7 CDROMs). These CDROMs contain a lot of the software that I would like (but not all). The nice thing about the software on these CDs is that they all install without *any* problems. Now it seems to me that there must be someplace on the Internet where I could find RPMs that will install on a Mandrake system with little problem. Is this true or is the only way to get software that installs on a Mandrake 8.0 system is to buy a boxed set from Mandrake? In the past I have tried to download RPMs for use on Mandrake 7.1 and basically everything eventually got all screwed up. Also there seems to be a mess trying to get all of the dependencies taken care of... Is this just the normal Linux experience? Must one accept only software from the Operating System supplier or set one self to an arduous process of figuring out all the ends and outs of Linux and the arbitrary decisions of the many different people that put RPMs together? Kent
[EUG-LUG:2797] dual boot / Mandrake 8.0
What file do I change to set which system boots? Thanks. Kent
[EUG-LUG:2807] Re: dual boot / Mandrake 8.0
I believe I am using Grub... At 09:18 AM 9/16/01 -0700, you wrote: /etc/lilo.conf if you're using lilo. Grub I don't know. Mr. O On Sunday 16 September 2001 09:33 am, you wrote: What file do I change to set which system boots? Thanks. Kent _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
[EUG-LUG:2811] Re: email?
Thanks. I'll check these out and see how it goes. Kent At 01:50 PM 9/16/01 -0700, you wrote: On Sun, Sep 16, 2001 at 02:08:18PM -0700, Kent Loobey wrote: What is a good linux email program? Is there a linux email program that supports filters, address books, etc.? procmail is a mail filter and much more. http://www.procmail.org/ There are many good email programs, but I don't use address books, so as far as that goes, I don't know what to suggest. Personally, I like mutt. http://www.mutt.org/ Thanks. Kent -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EUG-LUG:2455] Thursdays meeting...
Where is the Thursday night meeting going to be held? Thanks. Kent
[EUG-LUG:1307] Re: Sun comes through with Staroffice CD's
Where is there? The EMU? At 09:52 PM 6/8/01 -0700, you wrote: I got on Sun Site and sent an e-mailed them about Microsoft being at the University on Moday and if they could send some StarOffice CD's. Well they are coming through with lets'say a very lot of StarOffice promotional CD's. I know where I'm going to be at monday. They will be delivered on Monday. I hope most of you can make it down to the university. We might be able to make it on the news if enough of us show up and pass out Sun's staroffice. Well I guess it might turn out to be a good thing I found out. Tim
Finding a port in any storm...
A while back someone was trying to find a way to get on the Internet when they were on the road (I think it was Bob, but I am not sure). Any way, I saw a way this last weekend. I stopped at a Truck stop and each of the tables had an Internet port that the truckers could plug there laptops into...
Re: Thursday's meeting
Bob, thanks for the talk. I enjoyed it a lot. Could you repeat the names of the wireless lan cards you were using. Also who do you think will be the dominate wireless lan in two years. Thanks. Kent At 09:53 PM 11/22/00 -0800, you wrote: jakob wrote: On an on-topic note...i believe it was kbob giving the linux on laptops schpeel last weekend. In it, he demonstrated putting his laptop to sleep while in X. Just to clarify, I have been unable to do so and not have XFree lock up. Are you using XFree, bob? In addition, the XFree docs seem to suggest this isnt possible (smoke and mirrors?) Yes, I'm using XFree86 3.3.6. If it doesn't work for you, it seems like a bug in the video driver. My Sony and Anne's Dell each have a NeoMagic NM256-something-or-other. They use the XF86_SVGA server binary. Or it could be you have a different input device driver. Although we have Alps GlidePoint compatible touchpads, we tell the X configuration that it's a PS/2 compatible 2 button mouse. Sorry I can't tell you exactly what's wrong with your config... -- Kbob [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.jogger-egg.com/
Todays meeting location?
What is the address of todays meeting?
Re: last Thursday's meeting November 9, 2000
At 09:10 PM 11/15/00 -0800, you wrote: You missed it last night when I was looking up addresses on my phone using the web browser function and the business finder utility. I can even get directions to these places because the phone knows where it's at. Mmm As I recall, it was out-geeking even some of the hardcore geeks present. Does anybody have a retail outlet for high-volume sales of pocket protectors? However, the finder means that I can ditch the scores of phonebooks that my wife has hidden in various little cubbie-holes. I mean, she's such a loser. She used to carry around a phone book in the car, "just in case I need it". Sounds like she was a woman ahead of her time! So you have a smaller phone book, she recognized the value of a portable phone book before one was generally being used... --Mike Timothy Bolz wrote: Mike was kicking back in a chair smiling contently reading his e-mail on his cell phone. He then started to cruise the web with this big grin on his face. He started reading what it was said. He was in the Tech Zen moment. -- Michael J. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2250 Patterson #25 Eugene, OR 97405 (541)346-7562
Re: Kudos on website redesign...
I also want to add my expression of appreciation for all of the work Rob does on our website. It is the best that I have ever seen. We are very lucky to have Rob working on it because he does such an excellent job. Thanks! Kent At 12:33 PM 11/10/00 -0800, you wrote: Rob, just a public "cool!" on the new website design... looks very nice. I noticed that Linux Weekly News listed our event for the 18th (everyone is showing up right??), and clicked on the link and noticed how different everything looks. Spiffy! I really like the 'ls -l', 'tail -f mailinglist' etc... Creative and perfect for euglug... Seth Rob Hudson wrote: Instead of making a link on the website, I'll just pass this along for all to see... http://www.troubleshooters.com/tpromag/200011/200011.htm -Rob. slitt said these things on 20001110.1325: | Hi Rob, | | Please check out the November 2000 issue of | Troubleshooting Professional Magazine | (http://www.troubleshooters.com/tpromag/200011/200011.htm), | | This issue of Troubleshooting Professional reports on the events and | festivities at October's Annual Linux Showcase in Atlanta, and clues ALS | leaves as to the future of Linux. | | | Steve Litt | Webmaster, Troubleshooters.Com | http://www.troubleshooters.com | [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Linux Books
From the dark side: Hmmm, I didn't vote for Nader either. I guess were all going to hell. At 06:08 PM 11/7/00 -0800, you wrote: By way of plugging local vendors, my fave is The Book Mark on Olive Street. They are locally-owned, friendly, and will order anything they do not have in stock. They also carry this strange magazine called '2600', which, of course, I never buy... ;-) IMO, Linux is all about fighting the Evil Empire. Also IMO, BN and Borders are part of that Empire. In the spirit of the season, vote with your $$ - support your local vendors! Don't give in to the dark side... Peace, Chuck At 10:48 AM 11/6/00 -0800, Kent Loobey wrote: I am currently reading "Linux Administration: A Beginner's Guide" by Steve Shah. The author states 'What the title should say is that it's a "beginners-to-Linux guide," because we do make a few assumptions about you, the reader.' Anyway I'm not quite half way through it and I find it the best book I have read on Linux so far. It is part of Osborne's Network Professional's Library series. I got my copy at Borders or Barns and Nobel, I don't remember which. They had one copy left. Inside the front cover the book lists that you can learn to: Install Red Hat Linux, Set up GNOME and KDE, Replace Windows with Linux, Add users, Work from the UNIX command line, Add a disk, Create a boot script, Work with LILO, Establish file system quotas, Use Syslog, the system logger, Secure your server, Understand networking fundamentals, Set up a primary DNS server, Configure an anonymous FTP server, Quickstart a Web server, Understand the differecnes between SMTP and POP, Get secure access to your server, Share a disk with your network via NFS, Set up a network-wide password file with NIS, Set up a Linux to replace Windows NT, Print to a Windows NT printer, Make it easy to join the network with DHCP, Handle backups, Set up route tables in Linux, Set up IP masquerading, Configure a firewall, Create settings in /proc, Compile the kernel for yourself, Use the development tools included with RedHat Linux Of course you will need to check it out for yourself to know if it addresses your needs and style... At 03:29 PM 11/5/00 -0800, you wrote: Hi, Does anybody have any recommendations for Linux books? I've flipped through "Running Linux" and I think I'd like to get something a bit more advanced. Also, I'm running Redhat linux. If there are any books that are specific to Redhat that people recommend, I'd like to hear about those too. Thanks, Ryan
Re: Debian, Life and more...
Seth, I want to thank you for all the help you have given me. One always has to balance what is going on in ones life, so back off a little and the rest of us will do what we can to pick up the slack. But to tell you the truth your not an act that many could follow. Kent At 04:36 PM 11/7/00 -0800, you wrote: Well, I've been really busy with work, stressed out to the max, and personal stuff going on too, so I've been pretty quiet. I'm still around, still coming to the meetings, but I'm thinking about cutting back on my responsibilities for the EUGLUG... I've been doing much of that already, with Mike handling the monthly meeting arrangements, etc. As always volunteers for whatever EUGLUG needs are always welcome, so if you want a bigger role in EUGLUG, please pipe up and it can be yours. I'll try to have Mandrake 7.2 and Debianish CDs at the next meeting, and hopefully, the distribution server will be working (it's been a project for a while... it's getting there slowly...) ObDebian comment: http://www.debianplanet.org is a new weblog devoted to Debian ala Slashdot anyway, just wanting to write something for once... Seth
Re: Linux Books
I am currently reading "Linux Administration: A Beginner's Guide" by Steve Shah. The author states 'What the title should say is that it's a "beginners-to-Linux guide," because we do make a few assumptions about you, the reader.' Anyway I'm not quite half way through it and I find it the best book I have read on Linux so far. It is part of Osborne's Network Professional's Library series. I got my copy at Borders or Barns and Nobel, I don't remember which. They had one copy left. Inside the front cover the book lists that you can learn to: Install Red Hat Linux, Set up GNOME and KDE, Replace Windows with Linux, Add users, Work from the UNIX command line, Add a disk, Create a boot script, Work with LILO, Establish file system quotas, Use Syslog, the system logger, Secure your server, Understand networking fundamentals, Set up a primary DNS server, Configure an anonymous FTP server, Quickstart a Web server, Understand the differecnes between SMTP and POP, Get secure access to your server, Share a disk with your network via NFS, Set up a network-wide password file with NIS, Set up a Linux to replace Windows NT, Print to a Windows NT printer, Make it easy to join the network with DHCP, Handle backups, Set up route tables in Linux, Set up IP masquerading, Configure a firewall, Create settings in /proc, Compile the kernel for yourself, Use the development tools included with RedHat Linux Of course you will need to check it out for yourself to know if it addresses your needs and style... At 03:29 PM 11/5/00 -0800, you wrote: Hi, Does anybody have any recommendations for Linux books? I've flipped through "Running Linux" and I think I'd like to get something a bit more advanced. Also, I'm running Redhat linux. If there are any books that are specific to Redhat that people recommend, I'd like to hear about those too. Thanks, Ryan
Re: Pinball (was: Beefheart Sweden...any fun yet? [Off Topic])
I think there is a place across from the Semantech offices. Also I think you can play in a restraunt just north of The BookMark. At 10:15 AM 11/3/00 -0800, you wrote: Michal Young wrote: Sorry for continuing an off-topic thread, but I'm confused about this message and require enlightenment. (Now! Just do it!) Worse, I want to start *another* off-topic thread, and your message just reminded me. Where are the best places in Eugene to play pinball? I've only found two games in the whole area, one at the arcade in Gateway Mall and one in a pizza parlor south of campus. Thanks! Desperate attempt to get back on topic: Note that video games are NOT pinball. Video games are to pinball as Windows is to Unix: popular, frequently found in the home, and of no interest to the serious user, who keeps real pinball games in his home and spends several hours a week maintaining them. (-: -- Kbob [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.jogger-egg.com/
Re: Pinball (was: Beefheart Sweden...any fun yet? [Off Topic])
Oops, I thought you were talking about pool... At 10:04 AM 11/4/00 -0800, you wrote: I think there is a place across from the Semantech offices. Also I think you can play in a restraunt just north of The BookMark. At 10:15 AM 11/3/00 -0800, you wrote: Michal Young wrote: Sorry for continuing an off-topic thread, but I'm confused about this message and require enlightenment. (Now! Just do it!) Worse, I want to start *another* off-topic thread, and your message just reminded me. Where are the best places in Eugene to play pinball? I've only found two games in the whole area, one at the arcade in Gateway Mall and one in a pizza parlor south of campus. Thanks! Desperate attempt to get back on topic: Note that video games are NOT pinball. Video games are to pinball as Windows is to Unix: popular, frequently found in the home, and of no interest to the serious user, who keeps real pinball games in his home and spends several hours a week maintaining them. (-: -- Kbob [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.jogger-egg.com/
enscript problem
I am trying to print from kdevelop. kdevelop can use enscript so in fact I am trying to print using enscript. It doesn't work right now because I have an old level 1 postscript printer and it sends everything to it by default in level 2 postscript. So printing from the command line I can get enscript to print just fine by adding the "--ps-level=1" option to the command line. But of course kdevelop does not allow me to specify any options for enscript. However enscript will, according to the man page, read configuration information from the command line, environment variable ENSCRIPT, user's personal configuration file ($HOME/.enscriptrc), site configuration file (/usr/local/etc/enscriptsite.cfg) and system's global configuration file (/usr/local/etc/enscript.cfg) in that order. I have tried variations on the following entries: environment variable ENSCRIPT="--ps-level=1" enscriptsite.cfg PostScriptLevel:1 enscript.cfg PostScriptLevel:1 The man page states that the configuration file option for postscript level is PostScriptLevel: level. None of these entries has worked. Does anyone have an idea what I am doing wrong?
Re: Home networking
For me it's more like not really having an idea about how to begin. I would like to have it so I could execute any program on any system using an X window. I would like to be able to dial out automatically from any computer even though the modem is only connected to one of the computers. I would like to be able to print from any computer even though the printer is attached to only one of the computers. I would like to have my own DNS so that I could nullify doubleclick.net ads. All this on my home network. What I don't know is, do I need NIS and/or VNC. How does IP Masquerading fit into this picture? Would DHCP or bootp be useful in this configuration. I'm pretty sure that all of this can be done, but am I leaving out something that I would wish later that I had included. At this point I am trying to figure out what the network should look like and what components I need. I am sure that later I will need to ask a question or two about how, but right now what I need is a conceptual discussion of the merits of this or that. Thanks. Kent At 03:12 PM 10/28/00 -0700, you wrote: So, what's not working? Drew Itschner wrote: I am wanting to set my Linux machine as my server. I'm running Mandrake 7.1. I want to hook up my Win98 to my Linux. I have ethernet cards in both and a crossover cable with no hub. I have gone through the tutorial on Mandrakes page and tried to get it running. I have read so much research on this, I am lost now. If someone could come up with a real easy way to do this, I would definitely appreciate it.
Re: Home networking
I am also interested in connecting two Linux computers together in this manner. I am also using Mandrake 7.1. At 02:02 PM 10/28/00 -0700, you wrote: I am wanting to set my Linux machine as my server. I'm running Mandrake 7.1. I want to hook up my Win98 to my Linux. I have ethernet cards in both and a crossover cable with no hub. I have gone through the tutorial on Mandrakes page and tried to get it running. I have read so much research on this, I am lost now. If someone could come up with a real easy way to do this, I would definitely appreciate it.
Microsoft Hacked?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/business/newsid_993000/993933.stm "I can assure you that we know there has been no compromise of the integrity of the source code; that it has not been modified or tampered with in any way." We will know for sure if the next version has fewer bugs!!!
