[FairfieldLife] Re: Actions of Enlightened...Speculation at best
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] While there is some truth in what you say, do you really think that a guy who talks like Yoda is in any position to rag on puppets? Silly it is. :-) Wise man .. are you. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Proclaiming ones enlightenment
Akasha108 writes: Are there / were there any 10 year old adepts doing such transmissions? Tom T: I am reminded of the story of Robert Adams who had a funny little guy who appeared at the end of his bed every night until Adams was 7. After he had woken up in a math exam (age 15), where he used his sidhi for getting the correct answers, he began reading spiritual books. One day in a book store he opened a book and saw a picture of the funny looking little guy who had appeared every night at the end of his bed. None other than Ramana Maharishi. After much persuasion he got his mother to pay his way to India to visit Ramana and the rest is a much longer story. Tom Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Unreal estate
I've noticed that a lot of folks here are interested in real estate. Here's a Forbes slide show of the ten (really 12) most expensive homes on the market in the US. None of them is in Fairfield. All of them, in my opinon, are God's way of telling people they have *far* too much money. http://www.forbes.com/2005/10/06/cx_sc_1007homeslide_2.html? thisSpeed=6000 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] TASTING SUGAR!
TASTING SUGAR! Sri Ramakrishna, the great Avatar, said, 'I would rather taste sugar than be sugar.' WE INVITE YOU TO JOIN A NEW GROUP ON DUALISM VS NON DUALISM: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TastingSugar/ This referred to the question of dualism vs nondualism, with Sri Ramakrishna preferring dualism. Like Jesus, Ramakrishna experienced both. This group will center around the controversy of which is better, with Swamis, scholars, Gurus and concerned lovers of God entering the fray. We invite those who are Enlightened and those who are getting there to speak of reaching the Absolute. When you join us please state whether you are a dualist, nondualist or both. Tell us which you think is the most perfect way and why. The interviews between GuruRasa and Swami G have sparked this controversy and many souls are fascinated by the exchange. Feel free to join and you will be answered and heard. Swami G and Rasa Von Werder are two strong Gurus. Each argued for her side. Swami persuaded Rasa to accept Nirvikalpa Sahaj Samadhi as her rightful state, and after a long argument, Rasa finally did. She is in that state of 'Nirvana' - which God had prepared for her for quite some time, that she was not sure she should receive. Get involved in this if you dare, because if you open your heart and mind to it, you will never be the same! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TASTING SUGAR!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rasa Von Werder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TASTING SUGAR! Sri Ramakrishna, the great Avatar, said, 'I would rather taste sugar than be sugar.' WE INVITE YOU TO JOIN A NEW GROUP ON DUALISM VS NON DUALISM: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TastingSugar/ This referred to the question of dualism vs nondualism, with Sri Ramakrishna preferring dualism. Like Jesus, Ramakrishna experienced both. This group will center around the controversy of which is better, with Swamis, scholars, Gurus and concerned lovers of God entering the fray. We invite those who are Enlightened and those who are getting there to speak of reaching the Absolute. When you join us please state whether you are a dualist, nondualist or both. Tell us which you think is the most perfect way and why. The interviews between GuruRasa and Swami G have sparked this controversy and many souls are fascinated by the exchange. Feel free to join and you will be answered and heard. Swami G and Rasa Von Werder are two strong Gurus. Each argued for her side. Swami persuaded Rasa to accept Nirvikalpa Sahaj Samadhi as her rightful state, and after a long argument, Rasa finally did. She is in that state of 'Nirvana' - which God had prepared for her for quite some time, that she was not sure she should receive. Get involved in this if you dare, because if you open your heart and mind to it, you will never be the same! I have a better idea, also involving sugar. Since both of you seem convinced you are both strong gurus, there is an old Yaqui test that could be used to determine once and for all who is really stronger. Both of you go out into the desert, get naked, douse yourself with water, and then cover yourselves with sugar (the water is so that the sugar sticks to your skin). Then lay down on the ground and wait for all the creatures who will be attracted to the sugar to show up. The first one who gets up and brushes off all the ants and scorpions and other critters loses. That person is more attached. Unless the one still lying there on the ground is dead, of course, in which case you can flip a coin to determine who is more attached at that point...dead person gets to call heads or tails. Doesn't all this sound much more interesting than getting involved in yet another egofest on the Internet? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] TASTING SUGAR!
What a bunch of horses's asses. Amazing. --- Rasa Von Werder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TASTING SUGAR! Sri Ramakrishna, the great Avatar, said, 'I would rather taste sugar than be sugar.' WE INVITE YOU TO JOIN A NEW GROUP ON DUALISM VS NON DUALISM: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TastingSugar/ This referred to the question of dualism vs nondualism, with Sri Ramakrishna preferring dualism. Like Jesus, Ramakrishna experienced both. This group will center around the controversy of which is better, with Swamis, scholars, Gurus and concerned lovers of God entering the fray. We invite those who are Enlightened and those who are getting there to speak of reaching the Absolute. When you join us please state whether you are a dualist, nondualist or both. Tell us which you think is the most perfect way and why. The interviews between GuruRasa and Swami G have sparked this controversy and many souls are fascinated by the exchange. Feel free to join and you will be answered and heard. Swami G and Rasa Von Werder are two strong Gurus. Each argued for her side. Swami persuaded Rasa to accept Nirvikalpa Sahaj Samadhi as her rightful state, and after a long argument, Rasa finally did. She is in that state of 'Nirvana' - which God had prepared for her for quite some time, that she was not sure she should receive. Get involved in this if you dare, because if you open your heart and mind to it, you will never be the same! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip As a kid, maybe starting at 8 or 10, I had a repeated inquiry -- I was a curious sort of kid (as in inquisitive and odd). I kept looking at the sky and visualizing another kid my age -- in Japan actually -- though I had not much connection there. I think it was my idea of as different and foreign as could be (this was around 1960). And I kept asking myself, what makes me different from him. It was clear that there were surface differences -- that was the point in choosing someone in a vastly different culture. But I was after the question of identity: what is it that makes me me different from what makes him him. I remember something similar to this, although much less elaborate. I was a few years younger, I think. It suddenly occurred to me that other people must have a me inside them just as I did. It felt very counterintuitive to think my consciousness was not the only consciousness, but it had to be the case because other people clearly behaved as though they had their own. With considerable reluctance, I accepted that this was just the way it was, and it became part of my outlook. I also remember, roughly around the same time, wondering what it would be like if I could stop thinking. I tried and tried but couldn't do it. Essentially, I realized that trying not to think was itself a thought, although I didn't phrase it that way to myself. And I gave up, figuring that was just the way it was. My memories of these two occasions remained very clear, though, and they came to mind immediately when I began to learn something about TM. It was a source of some satisfaction to know my intuitions as a child had been on the money, if a bit frustrating that I hadn't been willing to trust them. I suspect most kids have these moments. If we could only get to them and confirm their insights before they give up and accept the Standard Model, maybe they'd be able to grow up enlightened. When I was around 9 or 10 my best friend and I used to play this game. We would sit quietly and begin to negate our experience piece by piece. We'd alternate saying things like, The tree in the front yard doesn't exist. Your parents car doesn't exist. School doesn't exist., etc. We'd slowly negate everything we could think of. Finally we'd come to the end after negating the entire creation and we'd negate ourselves simultaneously. I remember there would be this explosion of energy and we'd both freakout and run outside screaming in delight. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I was around 9 or 10 my best friend and I used to play this game. We would sit quietly and begin to negate our experience piece by piece. We'd alternate saying things like, The tree in the front yard doesn't exist. Your parents car doesn't exist. School doesn't exist., etc. We'd slowly negate everything we could think of. Finally we'd come to the end after negating the entire creation and we'd negate ourselves simultaneously. I remember there would be this explosion of energy and we'd both freakout and run outside screaming in delight. So you're the ones who made my school disappear. I always wondered who did that, and wanted to thank them. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Any decent books on Vedic knowledge in TMO
I highly recommend The Vedic Experience by Raimondo Panikar--the printed edition (as opposed to the free online edition).Also While the Gods Play by Alain Danielou. Danielou was a disciple of Swami Karpatri, the man who nominated his own guru--Swami Brahmananda Saraswati for the Jyotir Math seat.On Oct 12, 2005, at 10:10 PM, Michael wrote:I was just wondering lately if any decent books have been written and published on Vedic knowledge lately. I've read some online lessons from Das Goravani, and some books by David Frawley. Many aspects of their approach to explaining Vedic concepts is by far better than any i've ever seen in the TMO, to include anything written by Maharishi. It just seems to me I can't find many books at any bookstore by anyone associated with the TMO that are really informative and deep that concern the Vedas. The only thing available is the BG, Science of Being/AOL, and a few of those "invincible defense", "ideal education" books, etc... Have any graduates of MIU/MUM written any really good books concerning Vedic Knowledge lately that anyone here knows of? I know William Levacy came out with a book on Vedic Astrology, and he had a M.A. in SCI, but I don't think he's involved with the TMO anymore. I've just noticed a trend that anyone who's really advanced or wants to advance far in Vedic knowledge seems to go elsewhere. The rest are more concerned with talking about TM and "natural law", "heaven on earth", "maharishi effect", etc... instead of really getting deep and informative into the Vedas. Or perhaps i'm just not noticing how advanced the Vedic Knowledge is because i'm not able to attend Bevan and John's lectures anymore??? Is this the case, or do others see the same problem? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I was around 9 or 10 my best friend and I used to play this game. We would sit quietly and begin to negate our experience piece by piece. We'd alternate saying things like, The tree in the front yard doesn't exist. Your parents car doesn't exist. School doesn't exist., etc. We'd slowly negate everything we could think of. Finally we'd come to the end after negating the entire creation and we'd negate ourselves simultaneously. I remember there would be this explosion of energy and we'd both freakout and run outside screaming in delight. So you're the ones who made my school disappear. I always wondered who did that, and wanted to thank them. No problem, man. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
On Oct 12, 2005, at 9:43 PM, akasha_108 wrote:Does the switching experience I described correspond to any types of "standard" transmissions that you are aware of?Anything's possible but nothing specific I could add. Does the clothng I described, white cloak, hood, dark bue symbol laden embrodery ring a bell for any monastic or adept orders of children for which you are familiar? Either now/ 1960's or any time in the past?Not particularly although there is the white sangha (as opposed to the red one) which are lamas/gurus which marry (rather then being celibate), although they don't necessarily wear blue are part of their get up. I'm not real familiar with Chinese and Japanese spirituality other than Taoism. Are there / were there any 10 year old adepts doing such transmissions?Sure. Often reincarnated lamas, etc. begin teaching at an early age--some when they are half that age. But it just seems to fit together in a way. Maybe just an unknown, that is, unconscious (to me) ego mechanism flaming up to make me feel "spiritual".Perhaps, perhaps also a past life memory. In some cases, past life memories are only remembered towards the beginning of our lives, when we are children. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 12, 2005, at 2:39 PM, Peter wrote: This is one of the clearest responses articulating the condition of I after realization. It's brilliant. Wondering what happens to the I in enlightenment is like asking what happens to the knot after it's untied; what happens to the darkness when the light is turned on. What happens is that they no longer exist. They are not accounted for because they cease to beassimilated, silenced, replaced by no-thing! Answer: There is great difficulity in describing a condition that is not within the experiental reality of the ego, and especially in answering a question the asking of which stems from the dualistic paradigm of reality of the questioner. An enlightened being *is* their condition; thus, there is no purpose to make a 'claim'. That is an ego view. The personal self does not become enlightened or transformed but instead is assimilated, silenced, and replaced by a different condition altogether. Implied in the common saying that we are discussing is the belief that to disclaim being enlightened is a form of modesty. This is a projection of the spiritual ego of the originator of such a statement for in the condition of enlightenment, no egotism remains. The state is merely a simple fact; it is not an achievment. It has no merits or anything which is laudatory that would require the posture of pseudo-humility. In the naive spiritual community, there is much adulation, charismatic glamour, and the importance attributed to 'enlightened masters', and the like.These are projections. To the enlightened being, the state is merely the natural condition of how it is. From my POV it represents a fundamental misunderstanding of the eastern experience of ahamkara (translated often as ego) and the Freudian, psychological or New Age idea of ego. The two are not the same, although many assume they are. When you lose ahamkara, you lose the ability to identify with your body. In laymen's terms, you die. In general, organs and cells don't like it. It puzzles me also, why people, when they stop identifying the 'I' with an image of one's personal self, say there is no 'I' anymore. The `I' is the subject, who feels, sees, interprets and evaluates situations, makes meaning, uses concepts like enlightenment in communication, relates to others, is in dialogue with others. The fact that something is being perceived is based on subject/object dualism. The perceiver is subject, the perceived is object. The `I', the subject, cannot see itself. If it can, there is an error in interpreting. The subject can see only something that is object to itself. In enlightenment this error vanishes. And another error seems to appear, the idea that there is no `I'. Irmeli Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
On Oct 13, 2005, at 9:44 AM, Irmeli Mattsson wrote:It puzzles me also, why people, when they stop identifying the 'I' with an image of one's personal self, say there is no 'I' anymore. The `I' is the subject, who feels, sees, interprets and evaluates situations, makes meaning, uses concepts like enlightenment in communication, relates to others, is in dialogue with others. The fact that something is being perceived is based on subject/object dualism. The perceiver is subject, the perceived is object. The `I', the subject, cannot see itself. If it can, there is an error in interpreting. The subject can see only something that is object to itself. In enlightenment this error vanishes. And another error seems to appear, the idea that there is no `I'. The whole topic is rather interesting. This would certainly not be considered enlightenment IMO--merely a transitory realization that "I" is empty and not "solid". Really from a Buddhist perspective, if one is enlightened one does not claim it for a number of reasons--it causes sentient beings to argue, it creates jealousy, etc. Therefore a Buddha cannot make a declaration which will cause suffering. From that POV one who claims to be "enlightened" typically is not. I have to wonder if that is one of the reasons the Surangama sutra is mentioned in movement literature (and lectures)--so that people might pick it up and read it. It details all the ways that people are fooled into believing they are enlightened--and I'm sure this is one of them. IIRC it also prophecizes that at the end of the Kali yuga, large numbers of people who are not enlightened will surface, claiming to be. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unreal estate
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've noticed that a lot of folks here are interested in real estate. Here's a Forbes slide show of the ten (really 12) most expensive homes on the market in the US. None of them is in Fairfield. All of them, in my opinon, are God's way of telling people they have *far* too much money. It is God's way of testing them, as we are all tested. This awareness has stopped me from coveting other's money, looks, power,celebrity, circumstances, etc. If each of us were given any of these things, we would remain the people we are today. If we want those things bad enough we will get them. Then the real fun begins! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 13, 2005, at 9:44 AM, Irmeli Mattsson wrote: It puzzles me also, why people, when they stop identifying the 'I' with an image of one's personal self, say there is no 'I' anymore. The `I' is the subject, who feels, sees, interprets and evaluates situations, makes meaning, uses concepts like enlightenment in communication, relates to others, is in dialogue with others. The fact that something is being perceived is based on subject/object dualism. The perceiver is subject, the perceived is object. The `I', the subject, cannot see itself. If it can, there is an error in interpreting. The subject can see only something that is object to itself. In enlightenment this error vanishes. And another error seems to appear, the idea that there is no `I'. The whole topic is rather interesting. This would certainly not be considered enlightenment IMO--merely a transitory realization that I is empty and not solid. Really from a Buddhist perspective, if one is enlightened one does not claim it for a number of reasons-- it causes sentient beings to argue, it creates jealousy, etc. Therefore a Buddha cannot make a declaration which will cause suffering. From that POV one who claims to be enlightened typically is not. I have to wonder if that is one of the reasons the Surangama sutra is mentioned in movement literature (and lectures)--so that people might pick it up and read it. It details all the ways that people are fooled into believing they are enlightened--and I'm sure this is one of them. IIRC it also prophecizes that at the end of the Kali yuga, large numbers of people who are not enlightened will surface, claiming to be. I've often held a contrary perspective, that *most* people are enlightened, or at least act and think as such very often. This idea that just a few attain this state seems untrue. Maybe people don't know the verbage or have the interest or set the focus on enlightenment. Yet, nonetheless, there is more enlightenment around us than ignorance. It is just that the ignorance gets most of the attention. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Unreal estate
The interesting thing about property is you eventually realize you don't own it. It Owns You. Tom Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- snip --- When I was around 9 or 10 my best friend and I used to play this game. We would sit quietly and begin to negate our experience piece by piece. We'd alternate saying things like, The tree in the front yard doesn't exist. Your parents car doesn't exist. School doesn't exist., etc. We'd slowly negate everything we could think of. Finally we'd come to the end after negating the entire creation and we'd negate ourselves simultaneously. I remember there would be this explosion of energy and we'd both freakout and run outside screaming in delight. You have no idea who much this explains about yourself, Frasier. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unreal estate
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The interesting thing about property is you eventually realize you don't own it. It Owns You. Tom Exactly why I've never bought a house. I've watched so many friends go crazy trying to keep up with their investment that the whole scene appears to me to be one of the most effective means ever invented for creating stress and unhappiness. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- Irmeli Mattsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip It puzzles me also, why people, when they stop identifying the 'I' with an image of one's personal self, say there is no 'I' anymore. Because no I or psychological sense of me is present. It can't be found. When people (in avidya) say me they are refering to a sense of separate individuality. An abstract, felt-sense of me-ness that is private and distinct from others' me-ness. The `I' is the subject, who feels, sees, interprets and evaluates situations, makes meaning, uses concepts like enlightenment in communication, relates to others, is in dialogue with others. Yes, this is all true in avidya. It is a phenomenological reality. I exist, I think, I feel, I interprate and evaluate, I make meaning. There is always, except in deep sleep, this underlying sense of I. The fact that something is being perceived is based on subject/object dualism. The perceiver is subject, the perceived is object. The `I', the subject, cannot see itself. If it can, there is an error in perception. All this is true in waking state/avidya. The subject can see only something that is object to itself. In enlightenment this error vanishes. And another error seems to appear, the idea that there is no `I'. No, it is not an error. You are extending waking state logic into realization and it falls apart there. In realization no individuality or sense of me can be located. There is thought, there is feeling, there is everything just like waking state, but there is no I or me present. It just can't be located! People say your name as if refering to a you, but there is no you present. This I is a delusion created by the identification of pure consciousness with bound mind. Consciousness projects into and identifies with a subjective object and assumes the limitations of that object. Patanjali's metaphor of the crystal gem assuming the color of whatever it is placed on works well. The crystal appears to be colored. I mean, damn boy, I can see that it's colored! That's the phenomenology of waking state. But consciousness is not bound by any object even when it appears to be bound (hence the you're already enlightened rap). The initial stage/condition of liberation is this cessation of projection/identification of counsciousness with objects of experience. Once counsciousness pulls back into itself there is no longer any identification occuring and hence no boundary or relative limitation to consciousness. Full awareness, but no I to lay claim to be doing anything. There is nobody home, but all the lights are on and everything is working just fine. That sense of I is just a very subtle thought. Self-inquiry will reveal this. Irmeli Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 13, 2005, at 9:44 AM, Irmeli Mattsson wrote: It puzzles me also, why people, when they stop identifying the 'I' with an image of one's personal self, say there is no 'I' anymore. The `I' is the subject, who feels, sees, interprets and evaluates situations, makes meaning, uses concepts like enlightenment in communication, relates to others, is in dialogue with others. The fact that something is being perceived is based on subject/object dualism. The perceiver is subject, the perceived is object. The `I', the subject, cannot see itself. If it can, there is an error in interpreting. The subject can see only something that is object to itself. In enlightenment this error vanishes. And another error seems to appear, the idea that there is no `I'. The whole topic is rather interesting. This would certainly not be considered enlightenment IMO--merely a transitory realization that I is empty and not solid. Really from a Buddhist perspective, if one is enlightened one does not claim it for a number of reasons--it causes sentient beings to argue, it creates jealousy, etc. Therefore a Buddha cannot make a declaration which will cause suffering. From that POV one who claims to be enlightened typically is not. I have to wonder if that is one of the reasons the Surangama sutra is mentioned in movement literature (and lectures)--so that people might pick it up and read it. It details all the ways that people are fooled into believing they are enlightened--and I'm sure this is one of them. Hence I call CC baby realization. Just the first experiential clarification occuring. __ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unreal estate
TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The interesting thing about property is you eventually realize you don't own it. It Owns You. Tom Exactly why I've never bought a house. I've watched so many friends go crazy trying to keep up with their investment that the whole scene appears to me to be one of the most effective means ever invented for creating stress and unhappiness. My house though an older home doesn't require a lot of keeping up. I guess I was lucky it was well taken care of to begin with an most upcoming issues will be easy to deal with. The equity is nice to have compared with that money going down the drain with rent. Of course with rent one isn't tied down as much and maintenance is up to the landlord which will work as long as they are responsive. Also the purchase came at a time when the corporatized apartment complex I lived in had its rents becoming unreal and I realized I could own a house for the same fee. And since the house value has almost doubled. The scheme of course is the amount I save in taxes because of the mortgage interest deduction which could be threatened by the new taxation proposal (though I think will be difficult to pass). And it was also nice to have a garage to park my car in (unlike my neighbors who seem to use theirs for storage). At the apartment complex jerks were always parking in my assigned spot with little where else to park temporarily. And the complex became reluctant to call the tow trucks. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Actions of Enlightened...Speculation at best
akasha_108 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] While there is some truth in what you say, do you really think that a guy who talks like Yoda is in any position to rag on puppets? Silly it is. :-) Wise man .. are you. Hindi syntax learning you are. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Untimely Deaths
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 10/12/05 10:56 AM, Patrick Gillam at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's why Sandy had her friend drive when they ventured out on highway 34 on a winter day to check her horse, which she stabled near Ottumwa. Her friend Susan, who was driving, was in an coma for a few days after the accident. Still has pins in her leg. She was in a CC-like state of detachment (unrelated to the accident) for many years. Hated it. Came to one of our Wednesday night satsangs and cried. Popped out of the duality state as she was leaving, and has been in Unity since. Very happy lady now. Dissociation due to trauma is probably not CC. The brainwaves of someone in dissociation due to sexual abuse show a lopsided, right- brain-enhanced pattern, while someone reporting witnessing due to TM show a balanced EEG between right and left sides. Interestingly enough, some Tibetan Buddhist techniques that some here tout as promoting enlightenment ALSO result in this lop-sided EEG pattern. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's designated successor..
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 10/12/05 12:47 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 10/6/05 2:37 PM, peterklutz at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any one seen the Oct 5, 2005 press conference? It's now official: the Prime Minister of the Global Country of World Peace, His Excellency Dr Bevan Morris, is Enlightened and is capable of answering any question as well as handling any task. Tom T: I have two friends who are Enlightened And you knowthis because? My question would have been Only two? same diff. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom T: He also set up a scale of Enlightment which appears to be quite useful since on his scale it extends from a nominal value from 700 to 1200, Pretty broad range and a lot of insight in the third book about that range and the cast of characters that play in it. Tom Better yet would be a two dimensional scale, like an xy graph. It helps dispose of the linearity and alleged necessary sequence of happenings. And even better still might be a hearty Who cares, followed by an even heartier laugh. :-) Obviously, someone does. Laughing at what they care about is, well, your style... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Untimely Deaths...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's perceived as untimely because these people cast of their mortal coils way ahead of the statistically established life expectancy for the society they live in This perception is reinforced by the assumption that leading the life of a meditator promotes longevity TM, by itself, almost certainly promotes longevity. However, the lifestyle of many TMers appears to be couter-productive, both for physical health, and for enlightenment. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 12, 2005, at 4:02 PM, akasha_108 wrote: Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 12, 2005, at 2:10 PM, akasha_108 wrote: Enlightenment, connates, to me at least, an endpoint. Hmmm. Never got that., although unimpeded omniscience might seem that way. Well it you may have a broader view than many. Why label some initial state with a high falutin term like enlightenment. It never made sense to me. Nor me. My lingering question having been a youngster when I started TM--as I strongly suspected we weren't being given the full picture- - was what did others have to say? Seven states of Consciousness? The Self resting in the Self? Eventually you get the answers. Look deep enough and you get the experiences too, not stuck on some initial experiences of clarity or bliss or the elements relaxing or calm or movement or presence. Maybe call it first light or groggy, but eyes are open or ascended above sea level or less localized (instead of cosmic) or release from prison to a half-way house with ankle braclet instead of liberation. Yeah I remember after learning Sanskrit trying to find out what all the *real* words were for all the TM buzzwords and experiences. Cosmic Consciousness wasn't that cosmic at all, how disappointing and how enlightening. All it really means is Beyond the Fourth. Merely normal didn't tip you off? It was interesting after TM daze to hang out with yogis who had profound experiential knowledge and seeing all these students who thought they were enlightened. A real learning experience. But MMY obviously hasn't a clue... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom T: I have two friends who are Enlightened Spare egg writes: And you know this because? Tom T: Takes one to know one. and as Rick insinuated I know a lot more than two. More like 32 or so. I was referring to these specific two who had the same experience independently of each other. Your milage may vary. Tom And you know you're enlightened, how? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Untimely Deaths
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Someone sent me the following note. Anyone care to expand upon it? I was struck a number of years by the legion of meditators, sidhas, initiators, governors, ministers, Purushas, Mother Divines, rajahs and other Movement potentates who had suffered untimely deaths. You mentioned several. After all, the number of hardcore meditators is really quite small, just a few thousands, I would think. I have worked for several organizations larger than that and cannot recall anywhere near a comparable percentage of people in their 40s or 50 croaking. That clearly is a very subjective estimation. I would like to see reliable statistics on the matter--you think Dr. Robert Keith Wallace would be interested in such a research topic??!! What if we began our own accounting of such deaths? My start is the attached table. If you think it makes sense you might solicit names on FFL. Name Cause of Death Approx. Age* Dawn Casper breast cancer 50 Kristi Kamins breast cancer 52 Bobby Warren drowning 45 Geo. Gleeson heart attack 45 Margaret Cooper MS 60 David Weiner testicular cancer 44 Maxine Trzebiatowski breast cancer 45 Kurleigh King Prostate cancer Doug Henning Liver Cancer 52 Skip Alexander Liver Cancer Jane Hopson ALS (Lou Gerhirg's disease) 62 That guy who was one of the top guys at Ritam Corp. Died during a sweat lodge. The sister of the former Mrs. Hagelin. Brain cancer. Her son died of brain cancer at age 13. The variety of brain cancer that kids get is generally expected to kill someone before adulthood. Someone surviving long enough to have kids is unusual. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Actions of Enlightened...Speculation at best
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] While there is some truth in what you say, do you really think that a guy who talks like Yoda is in any position to rag on puppets? Silly it is. :-) Wise man .. are you. Direct translation of the Japanese, it is. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Weekend with Solane' in Fairfield, IA Nov 17-19
Title: Weekend with Solane' in Fairfield, IA Nov 17-19 Dear Friend, You are invited to attend a Weekend Intensive with Solane' Verraine. We will be meeting in a small group which provides an intimate setting to discover and rest in your true nature. The main focus of this weekend intensive is an in-depth exposure of our hearts and minds to the ever-present truth of silent, intelligent love. The capacity and willingness to truthfully expose and examine one's immediate experience is all that is required to unlock the seemingly endless obstacles to liberation. In the light of self-inquiry all obstacles are revealed as illusion, which strengthens the inherent capacity of self-reflection, clear seeing and surrender. PUBLIC MEETING Friday, November 18, 2005, 7:30 pm REVELATIONS 112 N. Main, Fairfield IA $12 donation NON-RESIDENTIAL WEEKEND RETREAT Saturday and Sunday, November 19 20 9:30 am - 6 pm $175 tuition. Partial scholarships are available for those deeply called to come For general information, reservations directions for the weekend, please contact Nancy 641-472-6654 or [EMAIL PROTECTED] If your heart is calling you to come, you are welcome to join us. Solane' is a devoted student of Gangaji and Eli and offers these meetings through the Leela School To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Yeah I remember after learning Sanskrit trying to find out what all the *real* words were for all the TM buzzwords and experiences. Cosmic Consciousness wasn't that cosmic at all, how disappointing and how enlightening. All it really means is Beyond the Fourth. Merely normal didn't tip you off? Some people get all caught up in their own fantasies and don't pay any attention to what MMY tells them. Cosmic!! Wow!! Then, when their fantasies collapse, they blame MMY. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Untimely Deaths
on 10/13/05 11:58 AM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 10/12/05 10:56 AM, Patrick Gillam at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's why Sandy had her friend drive when they ventured out on highway 34 on a winter day to check her horse, which she stabled near Ottumwa. Her friend Susan, who was driving, was in an coma for a few days after the accident. Still has pins in her leg. She was in a CC-like state of detachment (unrelated to the accident) for many years. Hated it. Came to one of our Wednesday night satsangs and cried. Popped out of the duality state as she was leaving, and has been in Unity since. Very happy lady now. Dissociation due to trauma is probably not CC. The brainwaves of someone in dissociation due to sexual abuse show a lopsided, right- brain-enhanced pattern, while someone reporting witnessing due to TM show a balanced EEG between right and left sides. Interestingly enough, some Tibetan Buddhist techniques that some here tout as promoting enlightenment ALSO result in this lop-sided EEG pattern. I know and have read about several people who suffered traumatic accidents that appear to have kicked them into a more enlightened state. In S. America they have lightening shamans - people who became psychic or healers after being struck by lightening. Read Dannion Brinkley: http://tinyurl.com/7bquk Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
Irmeli: It puzzles me also, why people, when they stop identifying the 'I' with an image of one's personal self, say there is no 'I' anymore. Peter: Because no I or psychological sense of me is present. It can't be found. When people (in avidya) say me they are refering to a sense of separate individuality. An abstract, felt-sense of me-ness that is private and distinct from others' me-ness. 1) An abstract, felt-sense of me-ness that is private and distinct from others' me-ness. 2) people (in avidya) say me refering to a sense of separate individuality. IME point one is the salient thing that distinguishes i) localized/specific identity and ii) non-localized/non-specific/non-distinct/undifferentiated identity. (To say that the latter is universal identity is a hard to validate hypothesis -- though supported by traditional views. And to say it is an identity is a misnomer, thus the quotes. ) While point 2 can be read as an equivalent and restatement of point 1, it can also refer to the obvious -- that in a social group there are many distinct social personalities -- sometimes more than the number of people in the group. :) Akasha's social self is distinct, as is Peters, and both are quite distinct from the non-localized/non-specific/undifferentiated identity. Keeping this semantic distinction in mind might contribute to clearer communication. The `I' is the subject, who feels, sees, interprets and evaluates situations, makes meaning, uses concepts like enlightenment in communication, relates to others, is in dialogue with others. Yes, this is all true in avidya. It is a phenomenological reality. I exist, I think, I feel, I interprate and evaluate, I make meaning. There is always, except in deep sleep, this underlying sense of I. IME, IMV, mind being the thought receptor, and intellect being the deciding mechanism, there is a Peter mind and intellect, as there is one for Akasha and Irmeli. Thoughts come effortlessly to all the receptors. To claim ownership is a hall of mirrors type thing. Getting caught in hall of mirrors promotes a feeling of my thoughts and from there -- my thoughts seem inherently correct. Thats a contribution of Byron Katie -- and others -- to pound that false and almost default notion out of ones intellect. And the intellect acts by itself -- without any doer -- though again in the hall of mirrors, it can appear so. Or such sense of false owneship is just a default state -- that often is not questioned and thus stays stuck in that mode. The non-localized/non-specific/non-distinct/undifferentiated identity has nothing to do with the thought recpetor or deciding mechanism. In contrast, a localized identity pops up in the hall of mirrors and claims ownership and doership. (If you really beleive you are really the doer, then STOP thinking, stop evaluating and deciding.) P: There is thought, there is feeling, there is everything just like waking state, but there is no I or me present. It just can't be located! People say your name as if refering to a you, but there is no you present. Though the I may appear to be gone, I wonder if its existence can be implied. Like a black hole, it can't be seen -- it appears not there, but can be inferred as objects in motion are deflected by its gravitational force. For example, if one with NO I feels insulted, or gets angry, what feels the insult? Its not the non-localized identity. Though the social self has mind and intellect that functions independent of the non-localized identity, per your experience there is no ego, no I. So there is no thing to receive the insult. Thus, it should just dissipate, like waves in a stick through water or air type thing. Or simply travel right through the empty space of non-individuatity, like light contining to travel through space, in contrast to reflecting off a thing in its path and exploding in light. Using this analogy, it would appear that (still) having a sense of being insulted implies some traces of ego remain -- even if one cannot see ego directly. Again, if there is no I, the light or energy of the insult has nothing to reflect off of. Thus no sense of insult. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
Henceforth, this definition of Self-realization has to count as a classic.. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is nobody home, but all the lights are on and everything is working just fine. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Untimely Deaths...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's perceived as untimely because these people cast of their mortal coils way ahead of the statistically established life expectancy for the society they live in This perception is reinforced by the assumption that leading the life of a meditator promotes longevity TM, by itself, almost certainly promotes longevity. However, the lifestyle of many TMers appears to be couter-productive, both for physical health, and for enlightenment. Allow me a different take in this. The TM-programme promotes accelerated progress. Occassionally, this progress gives practitioners a cosmic licence to drive in the pool-lane when going to the factory where you swap you old model of your body for a new one! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Short Cut to Nirvana
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[FairfieldLife] No Direction Home
My much-coveted copy of Martin Scorcese's No Direction Home was at my door when I got home from work. The first words of it, spoken by the Bob Dylan of today, reminiscing about his youth, resonated for me with some of the things that have been said here recently about enlightenment. I had ambitions to set out and find...like an odyssey of going home somewhere. I set out to find this home that I'd left a while back...and I couldn't remember exactly where it was, but I was on my way there. And encountering what I encountered on the way, was how I envisioned it all. I didn't really have any ambition at all. I was born very far from where I'm supposed to be, and so I'm on my way home, you know. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Literary accent decent ion
Upon this window, looking in the falseness of identity. Out stretching hands pulling me through the glass mansion of mirrors. With such discretion i look upon you. Your face filled with the wonders of something i will never come to understand . I live in the life of madness. Beating to the sacred drum of nothingness. So alls one can do is observe and live the mysteries of life through your eyes. I will not, I can not ask of you, nor expect of you to understand . As one feeding every other thing, we can take the journey together. But never can we be the balance of difference . In the times of no-time, one drifts endlessly in the acts of non action. Without progression, being from were the source pours over in to creation. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom T: I have two friends who are Enlightened Spare egg writes: And you know this because? Tom T: Takes one to know one. and as Rick insinuated I know a lot more than two. More like 32 or so. I was referring to these specific two who had the same experience independently of each other. Your milage may vary. Tom And you know you're enlightened, how? I told Tom he was enlightened and he told me that I was enlightened, so there. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Untimely Deaths
I know and have read about several people who suffered traumatic accidents that appear to have kicked them into a more enlightened state. Some people believe walk-ins exchange places at those times and that's the reason why the individual feels so different. --- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 10/13/05 11:58 AM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 10/12/05 10:56 AM, Patrick Gillam at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's why Sandy had her friend drive when they ventured out on highway 34 on a winter day to check her horse, which she stabled near Ottumwa. Her friend Susan, who was driving, was in an coma for a few days after the accident. Still has pins in her leg. She was in a CC-like state of detachment (unrelated to the accident) for many years. Hated it. Came to one of our Wednesday night satsangs and cried. Popped out of the duality state as she was leaving, and has been in Unity since. Very happy lady now. Dissociation due to trauma is probably not CC. The brainwaves of someone in dissociation due to sexual abuse show a lopsided, right- brain-enhanced pattern, while someone reporting witnessing due to TM show a balanced EEG between right and left sides. Interestingly enough, some Tibetan Buddhist techniques that some here tout as promoting enlightenment ALSO result in this lop-sided EEG pattern. I know and have read about several people who suffered traumatic accidents that appear to have kicked them into a more enlightened state. In S. America they have lightening shamans - people who became psychic or healers after being struck by lightening. Read Dannion Brinkley: http://tinyurl.com/7bquk Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Untimely Deaths
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 10/13/05 11:58 AM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 10/12/05 10:56 AM, Patrick Gillam at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's why Sandy had her friend drive when they ventured out on highway 34 on a winter day to check her horse, which she stabled near Ottumwa. Her friend Susan, who was driving, was in an coma for a few days after the accident. Still has pins in her leg. She was in a CC-like state of detachment (unrelated to the accident) for many years. Hated it. Came to one of our Wednesday night satsangs and cried. Popped out of the duality state as she was leaving, and has been in Unity since. Very happy lady now. Dissociation due to trauma is probably not CC. The brainwaves of someone in dissociation due to sexual abuse show a lopsided, right- brain-enhanced pattern, while someone reporting witnessing due to TM show a balanced EEG between right and left sides. Interestingly enough, some Tibetan Buddhist techniques that some here tout as promoting enlightenment ALSO result in this lop-sided EEG pattern. I know and have read about several people who suffered traumatic accidents that appear to have kicked them into a more enlightened state. In S. America they have lightening shamans - people who became psychic or healers after being struck by lightening. Read Dannion Brinkley: http://tinyurl.com/7bquk More enlightened states? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom T: I have two friends who are Enlightened Spare egg writes: And you know this because? Tom T: Takes one to know one. and as Rick insinuated I know a lot more than two. More like 32 or so. I was referring to these specific two who had the same experience independently of each other. Your milage may vary. Tom And you know you're enlightened, how? I told Tom he was enlightened and he told me that I was enlightened, so there. That settles it, for sure. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Untimely Deaths
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know and have read about several people who suffered traumatic accidents that appear to have kicked them into a more enlightened state. Some people believe walk-ins exchange places at those times and that's the reason why the individual feels so different. You say walk-in; I say PTSD. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Full awareness, but no I to lay claim to be doing anything. There is nobody home, but all the lights are on and everything is working just fine. That sense of I is just a very subtle thought. Self-inquiry will reveal this. Although I no longer exists, do you find that you can think that very subtle thought anyway, if you choose to? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] JFF: Translating Shankarite Sanskrit -- introduction
Try to figure out, how many different syntactic deep structure hierarchies this hypothetical compound word, slightly imitating some Classical Sanskrit writers, can represent: deep-green-salt-water-melon For instance: deep(-green-salt-water-melon)?? deep-green(-salt-water-melon), and so on... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Full awareness, but no I to lay claim to be doing anything. There is nobody home, but all the lights are on and everything is working just fine. That sense of I is just a very subtle thought. Self-inquiry will reveal this. Although I no longer exists, do you find that you can think that very subtle thought anyway, if you choose to? Why would one imagine they are an ostrich if they are not? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Untimely Deaths
--- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know and have read about several people who suffered traumatic accidents that appear to have kicked them into a more enlightened state. Some people believe walk-ins exchange places at those times and that's the reason why the individual feels so different. You say walk-in; I say PTSD. And Ramana says, Who feels different? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
I told Tom he was enlightened and he told me that I was enlightened, so there. Hahahave you ever had someone tell you that you had reached enlightenment? Its a lot like someone informing you of a past life you dont remember; or getting the gas bill: Okeedoke, Ill take your word for it lol Seriouslyhow does anyone ever know??? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why would one imagine they are an ostrich if they are not? Yeah- it does get a little hypothetical. I guess you'd have to ask the ostrich... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why would one imagine they are an ostrich if they are not? Yeah- it does get a little hypothetical. I guess you'd have to ask the ostrich... I could pretend I was a doumbek Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Full awareness, but no I to lay claim to be doing anything. There is nobody home, but all the lights are on and everything is working just fine. That sense of I is just a very subtle thought. Self-inquiry will reveal this. Although I no longer exists, do you find that you can think that very subtle thought anyway, if you choose to? Why would one imagine they are an ostrich if they are not? To be like Shiva. He does it all the time. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
Peter wrote: I told Tom he was enlightened and he told me that I was enlightened, so there. And then you rolled over and told Tom to quit hogging all the blanket? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
To be like Shiva. He does it all the time. Plus Ostriches are cool, and by cool I mean totally sweet! Fast as hell they are. Swsh :-D To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
Regarding your comments below - I would think that your perspective would be that everyone is actually blazing Brahman already, and just have to realize it. In that case, what special status would you give to those who are enlightened people who have actually been essentially or completely unware of their own enlightenment ? In other words, what is the difference between the majority of people on earth, ie. those who haven't yet realized their enlightenment, and those that you have worked with who are already enlightened but don't know it? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [SNIP] Very good points. I have also been fortunate to work with some wonderfully enlightened people who have actually been essentially or completely unware of their own enlightenment, by virtue of that slight misunderstanding of the nature of (the remains of) ignorance: i.e., petty suffering we resist or ignore doesn't really go away; it just remains in ignorance, becoming heavier and darker the more we ignore it. Paradoxically the more we ignore it, the more it binds our attention until we find ourselves immersed in and fully identified with suffering. Separating ourselves from the suffering just enough to gain an unshakable foothold (often easiest to do by locating it in the body, and/or remembering who we really are), and then approaching it with an embrace of unconditional love, allowing it to feel, breathe, etc., lightens it quickly up into its true nature of radiant bliss. To my eye anyhow, these people are the most amazingly blazing Suns of Brahman who were more or less completely overlooking their own light and love and powerful attention fields by empowering ignorance and the darkness of suffering and not-love, all merely unrecognized and unloved portions of themSelves! :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paula Youmans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I told Tom he was enlightened and he told me that I was enlightened, so there. Haha.have you ever had someone tell you that you had reached enlightenment? It's a lot like someone informing you of a past life you don't remember; or getting the gas bill: Okeedoke, I'll take your word for it lol Seriously.how does anyone ever know??? I don't believe anyone ever does, in an absolute sense. Life is one long continuum, from evolution to dissolution and over and over again, so 'enlightenment' as we call it, is a step whereby we recognize that our sense of ourselves transcends the limitations that our prior evolution has placed on us. We are larger than we ever imagined, and live and experience this as reality. It seems as if that state is only called 'enlightenment' because the common experience in daily life and locked within our DNA is that we *are* in fact the sum of our limitations. It is how worlds are built typically on Earth, now. That whole 'not enough resources, grab what you can' mentality is a result of living as self-limited beings. So, when we stop living the surrealistic reality of our assumed limitations, and become free, we are said to then be 'enlightened'. But it is merely relative to what our past experience has been. In reality, there is no actual enlightenment. It is just an evolutionary stage we are very, very fond of here on Earth, around which a consensus has formed with regard to its desirability. On the one hand, it is a significant achievement, a milestone of growth, and on the other hand it is no different really from the achievements we have achieved all of our lives. Perhaps we prize it so greatly because of the subjective experience both of inner and outer freedom, and the knowledge, ability, responsibility and love that comes with it. All admirable qualities. It both encompasses and transforms the human experience. And yet, once this state of inner and outer freedom is reached, life goes on, relative responsibilities and achievements continue, and one day we will look a long way back and realize that 'enlightenment', that which seemed so important once, is not so relevant to our lives, that the importance of that awakening has faded over the years, like the memory of a favorite relative, or the significant achievement of learning to walk as a young child. Yet, on the horizon of our timeless lives ...another enlightenment beckons... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] ME and me and The Knower [Was: Proclaiming ones enlightenment]
Akasha wrote:
[snipped Paula's question and the first half of Akasha's reply]
But I did not experience that as the stark no I that you appear to
have or others have. And there was, through my youth and adulthood, a
me that desired, strove for things, got hurt, got angry, etc. I
could switch between ME and me to a degree. And in my mid teens
when I started TM, the sense or glow of ME was stronger and more
switchable with me when I wanted it. But other times, I was absorbed
in me and dealing with lots of me issues. The me clearly had
problems and constrants. Many have been dealt with over the years.
Others have not been so well.
So the question to ask yourself is this:
You say that there are two things that you switch between - ME and me
[like: Self and self - Absolute and relative...];
And you clearly describe how there were times when one or the other
predominated more, and how that predominance shifted over time;
Then who is the I that is doing this switching, that could switch
between 'ME' and 'me', that says the sense or glow of 'ME' was stronger
and more switchable with 'me' when I wanted it?
Who is the I that can get absorbed in 'me' [and therefore also get
extricated from absorption in 'me']? [absorbed in 'me' = waking state,
ignorance]
Who is the I that can get absorbed in 'ME'? [transcendental consc.]
You describe the comings and goings, the ebb and flow, of ME and me.
You describe them beautifully as experiences.
Who is the EXPERIENCER?
Who is the experiencer of that ebb and flow, of those experiences?
Who is the experiencer, whether it is experiencing predominantly 'ME',
or predominantly 'me', or any combination of the two?
Notice how experiences come and go - even the experience of pure 'ME'.
'ME' and 'me' come and go (depending upon where you put your attention).
Who is there (within you, behind you, above you, beyond you...) that
DOESN'T change, that doesn't come and go - through all these experiences
of the swings between 'ME' and 'me'?
Who's attention notices 'ME' and notices 'me'?
Who's attention can swing from 'me' to 'ME', from one extreme end of its
Self to the other, all within the range of its Self?
There you are.
You have always been there, haven't you?
'ME' and 'me' are just your two fields, your first duality.
You are The Knower of the fields (Brahman, The Great).
[Note: Please don't get hung up in the word who; you can freely
substitute what, or [nothing], or whatever word or phrase or
language works for you... We're trying to use linear, relative
words to hint at something that can't be contained by words.]
So the question is, does your sense of no I include an absence of
localized issues that affect you, distinct from You? In other
words, for example, if someone insults you, that is, someone -- or an
event -- pushes a really deep button, do you still feel insulted?
There are two fields to Life - the relative and the Absolute.
In wholeness, both are there, interpenetrating, inextricably bound
to one another, two ends of one continuum of life. (You can't have
one without the other.)
In enlightenment, the relative field of Life does not disappear.
That is some spiritual urban legend.
The relative field of life is 'me'.
That 'me' has its nature, its role to perform.
Its role is to act like an individual wave on the ocean; 'me' has needs,
desires, likes and dislikes, attraction and repulsion, its whole story.
That doesn't change in enlightenment.
The body still has an innate will to live.
The senses still have a responsibility to sense (the enlightened don't
start obliviously tripping over chairs, tottering off the edge of cliffs,
etc.) - [at least once the first rush of The Shift has calmed down ;) ]
The relative mind/body ('me') still has its memories, its likes and dis-
likes, its personality, its ethics...
If you always liked chocolate ice-cream, and were allergic to peppermint
ice-cream, that's still there after enlightenment.
In fact, nothing much changes in the relative after awakening.
And that gets to the point, are there still any buttons to push that
can get you riled up enough so that you actually feel insulted? Or
is the Ocean so deep, no waves are felt?
The question is not framed the right way; you make it a kind of
either/or choice, as though you can be either 'me' or 'ME'.
That's like saying that the ocean can either be waves or silent
depth, but not both together.
Why can't 'me' feel insulted, and ME feel nothing in its silence,
and The Knower put attention anywhere along that continuum?
If you put attention on 'me' you will notice all the mechanics of
insult and attention will experience/resonate with 'insult'.
If you put attention on ME you will notice all untouchability and
silence and peace and attention will experience/resonate with 'un-
touchable'.
Both are simultaneously true.
Not only simultaneously true, but absolutely necessary for the exis-
tence of the other.
Neither of these two - 'me' or 'ME', insulted or untouched,
[FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And yet, once this state of inner and outer freedom is reached, life goes on, relative responsibilities and achievements continue, and one day we will look a long way back and realize that 'enlightenment', that which seemed so important once, is not so relevant to our lives, that the importance of that awakening has faded over the years, like the memory of a favorite relative, or the significant achievement of learning to walk as a young child. Yet, on the horizon of our timeless lives ...another enlightenment beckons... Very nicely said. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And yet, once this state of inner and outer freedom is reached, life goes on, relative responsibilities and achievements continue, and one day we will look a long way back and realize that 'enlightenment', that which seemed so important once, is not so relevant to our lives, that the importance of that awakening has faded over the years, like the memory of a favorite relative, or the significant achievement of learning to walk as a young child. Yet, on the horizon of our timeless lives ...another enlightenment beckons... Very nicely said. Thanks- Yes, right now one of my evolutionary questions is to be able to discern a pinot noir from a cabernet...I am resonably sure *you* can...but I don't typically drink reds, fwiw Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Untimely Deaths...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's perceived as untimely because these people cast of their mortal coils way ahead of the statistically established life expectancy for the society they live in This perception is reinforced by the assumption that leading the life of a meditator promotes longevity TM, by itself, almost certainly promotes longevity. However, the lifestyle of many TMers appears to be counter-productive, both for physical health, and for enlightenment. Yes, and the other thing to remember is that a lot of people come to TM because of a medical crisis, often at the behest of their medical practitioner. i.e. TM attracts people at death's door. Uns. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Any decent books on Vedic knowledge in TMO
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was just wondering lately if any decent books have been written and published on Vedic knowledge lately. snip It just seems to me I can't find many books at any bookstore by anyone associated with the TMO that are really informative and deep that concern the Vedas. The only thing available is the BG, Science of Being/AOL, and a few of those invincible defense, ideal education books, etc... Attempts failed. What is ideal about the state of MUM and the TMO? Have any graduates of MIU/MUM written any really good books concerning Vedic Knowledge lately that anyone here knows of? snip Or perhaps i'm just not noticing how advanced the Vedic Knowledge is because i'm not able to attend Bevan and John's lectures anymore??? Is this the case, or do others see the same problem? Perhaps it's not a problem, since nobody truly knows from their Ideal education on a subject that has already stood the test of time. Thankful we should be, that nobody else is trying to perpetuate a novel idea on the most ancient subject of Veda. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Actions of Enlightened...Speculation at best
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, brahmachari108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actions of enlightened beings, such speculation by the ignorant. fly off the handle at the most (seemingly) minimal transgression and curse others, the greatest rishis of ancient lore would. wailing at his loss of Sita, Rama would be seen He killed. As did Krishna. Actions of an enlightened one, Would someone looking from a distance think these such? fleecing his flocks.. mmy does clearly seeing from the Sahasranama chakra down through the sushumna to the Muladhara, is the one who can determine. Puppets we are... wanting to know. While there is some truth in what you say, do you really think that a guy who talks like Yoda is in any position to rag on puppets? Silly it is. :-) Win...you do. No...yo dew, what can a puppet do? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Untimely Deaths
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know and have read about several people who suffered traumatic accidents that appear to have kicked them into a more enlightened state. Some people believe walk-ins exchange places at those times and that's the reason why the individual feels so different. Sounded differently, acted differently...after near death in London didn't MMY? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paula Youmans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I told Tom he was enlightened and he told me that I was enlightened, so there. Haha.have you ever had someone tell you that you had reached enlightenment? It's a lot like someone informing you of a past life you don't remember; or getting the gas bill: Okeedoke, I'll take your word for it lol Seriously.how does anyone ever know??? Objectively? I belive MMY says that levitation is proof of samadhi. I suppose this means that if a person who is a known TMSP-practitioner repeatedly can take-off, hoover and settle down in a controlled manner, chances are this person is CC or above. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paula Youmans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I told Tom he was enlightened and he told me that I was enlightened, so there. Haha.have you ever had someone tell you that you had reached enlightenment? It's a lot like someone informing you of a past life you don't remember; or getting the gas bill: Okeedoke, I'll take your word for it lol Seriously.how does anyone ever know??? Objectively? I belive MMY says that levitation is proof of samadhi. I suppose this means that if a person who is a known TMSP-practitioner repeatedly can take-off, hoover and settle down in a controlled manner, chances are this person is CC or above. Horse crap. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
snip --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paula Youmans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Seriously.how does anyone ever know??? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't believe anyone ever does, in an absolute sense. Life is one long continuum, from evolution to dissolution and over and over again, so 'enlightenment' as we call it, is a step whereby we recognize that our sense of ourselves transcends the limitations that our prior evolution has placed on us. We are larger than we ever imagined, and live and experience this as reality. It seems as if that state is only called 'enlightenment' because the common experience in daily life and locked within our DNA is that we *are* in fact the sum of our limitations. It is how worlds are built typically on Earth, now. That whole 'not enough resources, grab what you can' mentality is a result of living as self-limited beings. So, when we stop living the surrealistic reality of our assumed limitations, and become free, we are said to then be 'enlightened'. But it is merely relative to what our past experience has been. In reality, there is no actual enlightenment. It is just an evolutionary stage we are very, very fond of here on Earth, around which a consensus has formed with regard to its desirability. On the one hand, it is a significant achievement, a milestone of growth, and on the other hand it is no different really from the achievements we have achieved all of our lives. Perhaps we prize it so greatly because of the subjective experience both of inner and outer freedom, and the knowledge, ability, responsibility and love that comes with it. All admirable qualities. It both encompasses and transforms the human experience. And yet, once this state of inner and outer freedom is reached, life goes on, relative responsibilities and achievements continue, and one day we will look a long way back and realize that 'enlightenment', that which seemed so important once, is not so relevant to our lives, that the importance of that awakening has faded over the years, like the memory of a favorite relative, or the significant achievement of learning to walk as a young child. Yet, on the horizon of our timeless lives ...another enlightenment beckons... Forgive please but what does your believing have to do with the Truth of it? Interesting it is in this group how so many are so eager to let others know what their thinking is on enlightenment. Mental masturbation, this suppostion on the qualities of enlightenment. TMO fallout.EGO. Flowery words making it sound as if there is none, yet the proferring itself betrays. Just a few in this group actually contribute references within their paths of practice without the personal commentary of what they think they know. More useful and true to the mission of this group, it would be if more of such contributions were posted. Worthless as well, this post. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, brahmachari108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paula Youmans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I told Tom he was enlightened and he told me that I was enlightened, so there. Haha.have you ever had someone tell you that you had reached enlightenment? It's a lot like someone informing you of a past life you don't remember; or getting the gas bill: Okeedoke, I'll take your word for it lol Seriously.how does anyone ever know??? Objectively? I belive MMY says that levitation is proof of samadhi. I suppose this means that if a person who is a known TMSP-practitioner repeatedly can take-off, hoover and settle down in a controlled manner, chances are this person is CC or above. Horse crap. How so? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, brahmachari108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paula Youmans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Seriously.how does anyone ever know??? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't believe anyone ever does, in an absolute sense. Life is one long continuum, from evolution to dissolution and over and over again, so 'enlightenment' as we call it, is a step whereby we recognize that our sense of ourselves transcends the limitations that our prior evolution has placed on us. We are larger than we ever imagined, and live and experience this as reality. It seems as if that state is only called 'enlightenment' because the common experience in daily life and locked within our DNA is that we *are* in fact the sum of our limitations. It is how worlds are built typically on Earth, now. That whole 'not enough resources, grab what you can' mentality is a result of living as self-limited beings. So, when we stop living the surrealistic reality of our assumed limitations, and become free, we are said to then be 'enlightened'. But it is merely relative to what our past experience has been. In reality, there is no actual enlightenment. It is just an evolutionary stage we are very, very fond of here on Earth, around which a consensus has formed with regard to its desirability. On the one hand, it is a significant achievement, a milestone of growth, and on the other hand it is no different really from the achievements we have achieved all of our lives. Perhaps we prize it so greatly because of the subjective experience both of inner and outer freedom, and the knowledge, ability, responsibility and love that comes with it. All admirable qualities. It both encompasses and transforms the human experience. And yet, once this state of inner and outer freedom is reached, life goes on, relative responsibilities and achievements continue, and one day we will look a long way back and realize that 'enlightenment', that which seemed so important once, is not so relevant to our lives, that the importance of that awakening has faded over the years, like the memory of a favorite relative, or the significant achievement of learning to walk as a young child. Yet, on the horizon of our timeless lives ...another enlightenment beckons... Forgive please but what does your believing have to do with the Truth of it? Interesting it is in this group how so many are so eager to let others know what their thinking is on enlightenment. What is your thinking on it? Mental masturbation, this suppostion on the qualities of enlightenment. Is that all you can do because you are 'brahmachari'-- *mental* masturbation? TMO fallout.EGO. So you've had bad experiences with the TMO? Flowery words making it sound as if there is none, yet the proferring itself betrays. What are you talking about? Just a few in this group actually contribute references within their paths of practice without the personal commentary of what they think they know. More useful and true to the mission of this group, it would be if more of such contributions were posted. What is the mission of this group, as you see it? Worthless as well, this post. To each his own... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
Peter I told Tom he was enlightened and he told me that I was enlightened, so there. Paula Seriously.how does anyone ever know??? Who wants to know? Do you feel you would be enhanced with such a christening or label? If so, isn't that telling? Doesn't that in itself convey the answer? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Full awareness, but no I to lay claim to be doing anything. There is nobody home, but all the lights are on and everything is working just fine. That sense of I is just a very subtle thought. Self-inquiry will reveal this. Although I no longer exists, do you find that you can think that very subtle thought anyway, if you choose to? Who chooses? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Untimely Deaths...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's perceived as untimely because these people cast of their mortal coils way ahead of the statistically established life expectancy for the society they live in This perception is reinforced by the assumption that leading the life of a meditator promotes longevity TM, by itself, almost certainly promotes longevity. However, the lifestyle of many TMers appears to be counter-productive, both for physical health, and for enlightenment. Yes, and the other thing to remember is that a lot of people come to TM because of a medical crisis, often at the behest of their medical practitioner. i.e. TM attracts people at death's door. Uns. Or at least with long-term health issues from high blood pressure or cancer to a family history of the same. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Untimely Deaths
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, brahmachari108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know and have read about several people who suffered traumatic accidents that appear to have kicked them into a more enlightened state. Some people believe walk-ins exchange places at those times and that's the reason why the individual feels so different. Sounded differently, acted differently...after near death in London didn't MMY? And we explain this by walk-ins rather than by saying the guy almost died, had a good fright, and took a long time to completely recover? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paula Youmans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I told Tom he was enlightened and he told me that I was enlightened, so there. Haha.have you ever had someone tell you that you had reached enlightenment? It's a lot like someone informing you of a past life you don't remember; or getting the gas bill: Okeedoke, I'll take your word for it lol Seriously.how does anyone ever know??? Objectively? I belive MMY says that levitation is proof of samadhi. I suppose this means that if a person who is a known TMSP- practitioner repeatedly can take-off, hoover and settle down in a controlled manner, chances are this person is CC or above. I believe MMY said that fully-perfected levitation (i.e. floating) (or other sidhi) done on-demand at any time outside of sutra practice would be a sign of fully-established Unity, not CC. He's also implied that NOT being able to float at all is a sign of NOT being in Unity. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
Yikes, not at all. And if I did, asking would hardly help me (as I was stating). I ask because people speak of enlightenment as if they know what it is and have never been able to find out. So to answer your questions I want to know you couldnt pay me to take such a label I guess not to me, but Ive never claimed to be smart. Im more of the pleasant type Do you know? Peter I told Tom he was enlightened and he told me that I was enlightened, so there. Paula Seriously.how does anyone ever know??? Who wants to know? Do you feel you would be enhanced with such a christening or label? If so, isn't that telling? Doesn't that in itself convey the answer? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
Peter: This is one of the clearest responses articulating the condition of I after realization. It's brilliant. Wondering what happens to the I in enlightenment is like asking what happens to the knot after it's untied; what happens to the darkness when the light is turned on. What happens is that they no longer exist. They are not accounted for because they cease to beassimilated, silenced, replaced by no-thing! Quote: Answer: There is great difficulity in describing a condition that is not within the experiental reality of the ego, and especially in answering a question the asking of which stems from the dualistic paradigm of reality of the questioner. An enlightened being *is* their condition; thus, there is no purpose to make a 'claim'. That is an ego view. The personal self does not become enlightened or transformed but instead is assimilated, silenced, and replaced by a different condition altogether. Vaj: From my POV it represents a fundamental misunderstanding of the eastern experience of ahamkara (translated often as ego) and the Freudian, psychological or New Age idea of ego. The two are not the same, although many assume they are. When you lose ahamkara, you lose the ability to identify with your body. In laymen's terms, you die. In general, organs and cells don't like it. Irmeli: It puzzles me also, why people, when they stop identifying the 'I' with an image of one's personal self, say there is no 'I' anymore. The `I' is the subject, who feels, sees, interprets and evaluates situations, makes meaning, uses concepts like enlightenment in communication, relates to others, is in dialogue with others. The fact that something is being perceived is based on subject/object dualism. The perceiver is subject, the perceived is object. The `I', the subject, cannot see itself. If it can, there is an error in interpreting. The subject can see only something that is object to itself. In enlightenment this error vanishes. And another error seems to appear, the idea that there is no `I'. -- Akasha: So many interpretations of what one must presume is the same Experience. (How can one meditate for decades without some good degree of Experience of transcendence -- in itself, separate from activity, or at the core of things?) Why one interpretation and not another? Why one interpretation held emphatically (at times)? It may be from the process of aquiring the interpretative insight -- often IME, its a Eureka type, Ah Ha!) experience. It seems self-validating, obvious. And such Eureka experiences, may open the Gap, so it feels so right. With such hard-core assurance, it perhaps seems equally clear that other interpretations must not be equally valid. Thats understandable. But the interpreation is just a thought. Perhaps well processed by the intellect . Which is just a thing that churns away. The stronger the sense of I and my mind, my intellect, the stronger the habit or senses that my thoughts and reflections are correct. They bubbled up (in my mind) or got spit out (from my intellect) so they must be correct, right? That logic is about as good as saying, I read it on the Internet, so it must be true, right? So its ironic, or perhaps deeply telling, that those alleging no I are often the most emphatic that their interpretations (my thought) of THE Experience, is correct, more correct than others. No foul in vigorously defending a POV. Thats quite beneficial in bringing out deeper levels of insight. But inner liberation brings with it, ALSO, the increasing flexibility to see and appreciate other POVs, to easily slip into another POV, to pull the best from many POVs. These are hallmarks of inner independence. (Well, at least, thats one (though not singular or exclusive) self-validated POV.) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paula Youmans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I told Tom he was enlightened and he told me that I was enlightened, so there. Haha.have you ever had someone tell you that you had reached enlightenment? It's a lot like someone informing you of a past life you don't remember; or getting the gas bill: Okeedoke, I'll take your word for it lol Seriously.how does anyone ever know??? Objectively? I belive MMY says that levitation is proof of samadhi. I suppose this means that if a person who is a known TMSP- practitioner repeatedly can take-off, hoover and settle down in a controlled manner, chances are this person is CC or above. I believe MMY said that fully-perfected levitation (i.e. floating) (or other sidhi) done on-demand at any time outside of sutra practice would be a sign of fully-established Unity, not CC. He's also implied that NOT being able to float at all is a sign of NOT being in Unity. Given your first definition, the second would have to be true, wouldn't it? Has any solution been indicated for the perhaps greatest obstacle to successfull flying sutra practice - the surroundings? Seclusion far out in the wilderness as a way of life also for non-CCs simply in order to remove the obstacles put on i.a. flying sutra practice by the collective stress of society and other less good-experienced TMSP-practitioners? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
Hi Paula, Pleasant is always good, if not the best. My response, though serious in content, had a jocular intent. There is a cetain joke underlying the question and answer. In a similar vein to Judy's statement I just don't want to be overshadowed anymore. As you may know from my posts, I am not a big fan of labels such as Enlightenment. First, many here and elsewhere have so many understandings of the term, use of such a label, in contrast to direct descriptors of an experience, has little communicative value IMO. Second, I don't feel there is an endpoint (for our purposes) to refinement and expansion - and to me, E, connates some endpoint. Worse yet, E conveys a goal. Something to strive for. Yet the state itself, common even among multiple definitions, is a striveless state -- something to which nothing can be added, and nothing can be taken away. Thus, striving for a striveless state, is a paradox, and is quite funny. If obtaining 'E' adds something, by definition (and eperience) its not 'E'. And a characteristic of what many people refer to as E is the awareness of non-localized, undifferented (from others) sense of identity (or identitylessness).I strives. IT is not striving. Thus, the concept or motion of striving for E is also funny on a second level, beyond that of the preceeding paragraph. In E there is no I to strive. So the thought I strive for Enlightenment is an unsurpassed, multi-level, recursive into itself, Escher-type joke: there is no I that can strive to and achieve the striveless state. Similar to the statement (high level joke to me) I just don't want to be overshadowed anymore. The striver (I) is not that which is NOT overshadowed. Thats a convoluted double negative sentence, I know, but no more convoluted than the paradox of the original quote. And the striving to not be overshadowed is the same striving for a 'striveless state' as above. I am not pegging you as having this or that type of experience or understanding of it. I am not offering advice. Just offering a joke. Laughing is its own reward. A result of holding a paradox in the mind (like where does space begin?) or the fusion of disparate ideas or concepts. A Gap opener. And that has its own reward and insights. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paula Youmans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yikes, not at all. And if I did, asking would hardly help me (as I was stating). I ask because people speak of enlightenment as if they know what it is and have never been able ttent. find out. So to answer your questions 1.I want to know 2.you couldn't pay me to take such a label 3.I guess 4.not to me, but I've never claimed to be smart. I'm more of the pleasant type Do you know? _ Peter I told Tom he was enlightened and he told me that I was enlightened, so there. Paula Seriously.how does anyone ever know??? Who wants to know? Do you feel you would be enhanced with such a christening or label? If so, isn't that telling? Doesn't that in itself convey the answer? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Maharishi+mahesh+yogiw1=Maharishi+mahe sh+yogiw2=Ramana+maharshic=2s=48.sig=YtlSsEBDait440Ww0LpJ6Q mahesh yogi Ramana http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Ramana+maharshiw1=Maharishi+mahesh+yog iw2=Ramana+maharshic=2s=48.sig=D6Jfznbioysd6xJ1BSC_Fw maharshi _ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group FairfieldLife http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Terms of Service. _ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Regarding your comments below - I would think that your perspective would be that everyone is actually blazing Brahman already, and just have to realize it. In that case, what special status would you give to those who are enlightened people who have actually been essentially or completely unware of their own enlightenment ? In other words, what is the difference between the majority of people on earth, ie. those who haven't yet realized their enlightenment, and those that you have worked with who are already enlightened but don't know it? Great question, and one I was thinking about some after writing this post. All I can really say is that while technically all are blazing Brahman already, some appear to blaze a lot brighter than others in this moment -- i.e., probably have done enough work clarifying the intellect and so on that Brahman is more self-evident in them; their attention-field is obviously waves of light and so on. To me anyhow: because they are (presumably) travelling inside the light-wave of their own attention, they don't appear to see it; they only tend to notice that the erstwhile-heavy object of their unconditional attention is lightening up into bliss and so on. It is simply that they had been unaware of the tamasic or darkening/thickening approach they had taken in resisting, avoiding or ignoring the particle of ignorance :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Great question, and one I was thinking about some after writing this post. All I can really say is that while technically all are blazing Brahman already, some appear to blaze a lot brighter than others in this moment -- i.e., probably have done enough work clarifying the intellect and so on that Brahman is more self-evident in them; their attention-field is obviously waves of light and so on. To me anyhow: because they are (presumably) travelling inside the light-wave of their own attention, they don't appear to see it; they only tend to notice that the erstwhile-heavy object of their unconditional attention is lightening up into bliss and so on. It is simply that they had been unaware of the tamasic or darkening/thickening approach they had taken in resisting, avoiding or ignoring the particle of ignorance :-) Energy (ananda, bliss, laughter, Shiva) = Mass (sat, love, Vishnu) times the speed of light (chit, consciousness, Brahma) squared (aware of itself). Mass resisted (denied the light of self- knowledge) becomes painful tamas instead of blissful dissolution; hindering the free-flow of the gunas through the hiranyagarbha attention-field :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Energy (ananda, bliss, laughter, Shiva) = Mass (sat, love, Vishnu) times the speed of light (chit, consciousness, Brahma) squared (aware of itself). Mass resisted (denied the light of self- knowledge) becomes painful tamas instead of blissful dissolution; hindering the free-flow of the gunas through the hiranyagarbha attention-field :-) It would *appear* anyhow that the Brahma-point at the center of the Hiranyagarbha (poised between the mountain-cone of Vishnu and the upside down cone of Shiva) becomes aware of itself via a very quick churning or washing-machine back-and-forth rotation which casts light-waves spiralling out first in one direction, then in the other -- in cross-currents (hence, aware of itself), and that the nodes at the intersections of the spirals form the bejeweled matrices of subtle-mind-matter impulses (devas) :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paula Youmans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I told Tom he was enlightened and he told me that I was enlightened, so there. Haha.have you ever had someone tell you that you had reached enlightenment? It's a lot like someone informing you of a past life you don't remember; or getting the gas bill: Okeedoke, I'll take your word for it lol Seriously.how does anyone ever know??? Objectively? I belive MMY says that levitation is proof of samadhi. I suppose this means that if a person who is a known TMSP- practitioner repeatedly can take-off, hoover and settle down in a controlled manner, chances are this person is CC or above. I believe MMY said that fully-perfected levitation (i.e. floating) (or other sidhi) done on-demand at any time outside of sutra practice would be a sign of fully-established Unity, not CC. He's also implied that NOT being able to float at all is a sign of NOT being in Unity. Given your first definition, the second would have to be true, wouldn't it? Fully in Unity is not, as far as I can gather, the same as being in Unity (somewhat/someofthetime/sorta). There would be gradiations of maturity or whatever. Has any solution been indicated for the perhaps greatest obstacle to successfull flying sutra practice - the surroundings? Seclusion far out in the wilderness as a way of life also for non- CCs simply in order to remove the obstacles put on i.a. flying sutra practice by the collective stress of society and other less good-experienced TMSP-practitioners? Don't know about less experienced TMSP practitioners, but there's the Vastu thing to consider, andof course, the claim that the Maharishi Effect exists and would have an effect on individuals during group practice of the TMSP. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
MDG: Then who is the I that is doing this switching, that could switch between 'ME' and 'me', that says the sense or glow of 'ME' was stronger and more switchable with 'me' when I wanted it? Akasha: Its a form of the intellect that knows itself, and the difference between Me and me. Intellect, a bit morphing as attention. MDG: Who is the EXPERIENCER? A: Its sort of a mu question. I understand your Ramana framework. But IME, Me IS. Its not an Experiencer in the way that word has a connotation to me. But I understand that you may have a different connotation from me. MDG: Notice how experiences come and go - even the experience of pure 'ME'. A: And Who is doing the noticing when you do this? Ponder that .. you should. MDG: There you are. A: No, Its non-localized. Its nowhere. As the beatles sang, He is just a Nowhere Man. :) MDG: You have always been there, haven't you? A: Another mu question. Or perhaps mute. MDG: We're trying to use linear, relative words to hint at something that can't be contained by words.] A: We kimoshabe? A: So the question is, does your sense of no I include an absence of localized issues that affect you, distinct from You? In other words, for example, if someone insults you, that is, someone -- or an event -- pushes a really deep button, do you still feel insulted? MDG: There are two fields to Life - the relative and the Absolute. A: Sometimes. Sometimes not. MDG: In enlightenment, the relative field of Life does not disappear. That is some spiritual urban legend. A: When Shiva IS, Shiva IS. MDG: The relative field of life is 'me'. That 'me' has its nature, its role to perform. A: Do you ever read my posts? Do you think you are providing an insight here? No problem if you are using my comments as a springboard to make general statements, voiced to all, and not specifically in related to my points. But its useful to distinguiush that. Your tone is personal, yet your words bely much understanding of my oft expressed POVs. MDG: The body still has an innate will to live. A: A group of us were siting on the floor late at night with M. and someone, a caring motherly type woman admonsished M. to get off to bed, to get some sleep, to take care of his body else you might die. M. just said abruptly, So what! and went on with the work. A: And that gets to the point, are there still any buttons to push that can get you riled up enough so that you actually feel insulted? Or is the Ocean so deep, no waves are felt? MDG: The question is not framed the right way; A: Oh. Thank you for clarifying my train of thought. MDG: you make it a kind of either/or choice, as though you can be either 'me' or 'ME'. That's like saying that the ocean can either be waves or silent depth, but not both together. A: Nope, I implied nothing of the kind. Perhaps you should read more carefully. Or I will try to write more clearly. But in re-reading it, it seems pretty clear. Again, feel free to use my comments as a springboard to go off on your own lecture. Lectures can be good. But don't delude yourself that you are addressing points I raised. MDG: Why can't 'me' feel insulted, and ME feel nothing in its silence, A: For you, if you have that experience, then I am sure it can. But I am refering to my own experience where the Ocean so deep that any insults just don't stick. Nothing can be taken away. Anger can't rise up. So that is my Experience. At tmes -- which I am referring to. It doesn't need to fit your experience or intellectual frameworks. It just IS. MDG: If you put attention on 'me' you will notice all the mechanics of insult and attention will experience/resonate with 'insult'. If you put attention on ME you will notice all untouchability and silence and peace and attention will experience/resonate with 'un- touchable'. A: Michael, I notice what I notice. I notice a lot. You are free to notice what you do. We can compare notes at time. That would be fun. And while I appreciate your imptus and impulse to help, I don't need you to tell me what I notice or need to notice. Particularly when you don't seem to notice -- or have had the experience -- that I am referring to. What I refered to above is outside the realm of reacting to insult. If you have not experienced that, fine. if you want to state that you experience and react to insults, while experiencing Me, fine. I have been there. But I am referring to something beyond that. (see prior response) MDG: Both are simultaneously true. A: If they are for you at times, then fine. Just a heads up, someday you may experience something where the Ocean so deep that any insults just don't stick. Nothing can be taken away. Anger can't rise up. So thats my Experience. If you also eperience such, then great. If you do not experience such, then great. Your experience is your experience. A: It would seem if ALL traces of ego are gone, MDG: If all traces of ego were gone, there would be no relative 'me'. A: I'll let you
[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It would *appear* anyhow that the Brahma-point at the center of the Hiranyagarbha (poised between the mountain-cone of Vishnu and the upside down cone of Shiva) becomes aware of itself via a very quick churning or washing-machine back-and-forth rotation which casts light-waves spiralling out first in one direction, then in the other -- in cross-currents (hence, aware of itself), and that the nodes at the intersections of the spirals form the bejeweled matrices of subtle-mind-matter impulses (devas) :-) And it would appear that when one's Brahma or creative consciousness withholds approval or Self-knowledge from a given mind-matter impulse, then that impulse separates/is separated from the Whole and holds that not-good/not-God belief about itself (i.e. thinks itself rebellious or demonic) until it is relieved, dissolved, lightened up, healed and integrated by an unconditional re-appraisal from that same Brahma-nature. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It would *appear* anyhow that the Brahma-point at the center of the Hiranyagarbha (poised between the mountain-cone of Vishnu and the upside down cone of Shiva) becomes aware of itself via a very quick churning or washing-machine back-and-forth rotation which casts light-waves spiralling out first in one direction, then in the other -- in cross-currents (hence, aware of itself), and that the nodes at the intersections of the spirals form the bejeweled matrices of subtle-mind-matter impulses (devas) :-) And it would appear that when one's Brahma or creative consciousness withholds approval or Self-knowledge from a given mind-matter impulse, then that impulse separates/is separated from the Whole and holds that not-good/not-God belief about itself (i.e. thinks itself rebellious or demonic) until it is relieved, dissolved, lightened up, healed and integrated by an unconditional re-appraisal from that same Brahma-nature. :-) And all of this (four last posts) is your direct experience? Or imaginative speculation. And its useful, how? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
