[FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: I can't believe I have Shemp defending me against Judy! But I have, so keep up the good work, Shemp! I agree with many of your points. You are right that to think a particular homosexual practice disgusting does not of itself constitute homophobia. I do know homosexuals, and I like them. But if I find myself thinking about what they do, I find it disgusting. Better to be honest about one's feelings and reactions than pretend to something else. I've got a couple of gay friends in Chicago who feel the same way about hetero sex. The mental image of women naked and the details of womens' bodies make these guys nauseated, and the thought of men having to have sex with one of these creatures makes them physically ill. So I wonder if Judy would be as quick to label them heterophobes as she is to label others homophobes. Do they condemn heterosexuals for crimes against nature? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Judy, your analysis is, of course, dead on accurate. But, I can't help but think you take Barry far more seriously than he takes himself. I always assume he's just joking around when he posts bullshit just to get a rise out of people. In fact, he has explicitly said that that is why he posts responses to Judy: merely to push her buttons and then sit back and laugh at her. Of course, WHY he wants to push such buttons is beyond me... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, foufou_fl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: I'm visualizing huge marauding hordes of homosexuals going around, breaking into homes, redecorating them, and forcing fabulous hairstyles upon the drab, heterosexual occupants. Thats been happening for sometime now: the TV show Queer Eye for the Straight Guy. They'd run shreaking in horror from MY place... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 2/25/06 12:35:05 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Bible says it is an abomination for a man to *lay* with another man they way he would with a woman. (paraphrased). I think that gets the point across without being too graphic. I am not a biblical scholar, but apparently, the bible adds that it is within gods grace for a man to *lay* with a woman in the ways a man lays with another man. There is no sin that can not be forgiven. So where is it listed as a sin? Some things would get you stoned or banished and some would get you fined. What is the punishment for the sin of homosexuality? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 2/25/06 1:11:44 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Bible says it is an abomination for a man to *lay* with another man they way he would with a woman. (paraphrased). I think that gets the point across without being too graphic. That's IT? Sounds pretty vague to me. Shemp That's the only verse, from Leviticus, that I remember off hand. I pretty sure there is more. The Bible wasn't written in legalese as a contract between man and God. Could you imagine if priests and rabbi had to be attorneys as well? ROFLMAO! ???Who made the religious laws and who debated them? ROFLMO back atcha. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: After Maharishi -- interesting question from a press conference
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonyff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: Sent to me by a couple of people: Here's a very interesting question and answer from Maharishi. The reporter asks a question I'd be reluctant to ask myself but I am interested in the answer. Question: Maharishi, so many guruspeople like yourselfhave given so much thought to the direction of the world and have tried to lead great numbers of people in their direction. But by the very nature of their personalities and their own thinking, one has to wonder what happens to their Movements when they¹re no longer around. Would you like to speculate on what will happen to the ideas of the Maharishi whenever the day comes when he¹s not here to give us his own personal thoughts? Question from Arthur Max, Associated Press reporter who was here in Vlodrop for this press conference. Maharishi: Doesn¹t matter. There is a phrase; Man is the master of his own destiny. So the destiny of every man doesn¹t depend on the existence of Maharishi or his absence. Man is the master of his own destiny. Maharishi is showing a way. Who comes on the lighted way, he¹ll get to the target, he¹ll get to the goal of the way, those who don¹t, they don¹t, that¹s all. Man has a choice. Education is so very limited today. Whether this generation understands the words of Maharishi or not. Those who will understand will be better off, they¹ll be the master of their own destiny. Others will remain slaves of circumstances and situations, doesn¹t matter. Maharishi¹s message does not remain limited to his physical body. This is the message that was there before the body of Maharishi, and it will remain there when the body of Maharishi will not come up. So these are waste of thoughts, no? This is from the February 1st '06 Press Conference When did he start referring to himself in the third person? Did he get that from Amma, or is it a common thing in that tradition? My guess is that he was using a royal we kind of rhetoric. The man, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, is unimportant, and even the OFFICE of Maharishi is unimportant. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Just for the record, I have made no comment at all about oral sex. Would you look more favorably on homosexuals if they engaged only in oral sex and never in anal sex? And I keep forgetting to ask: In your opinion, do straight couples who engage in anal sex have a lifestyle that is not as good as those who do not? Are straight couples who engage in anal sex walking the road to hell? Judy, what portion of the AIDS problem in the Third World is directly due to anal intercourse? A large part. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Han måste vara en siddha!
Swedish goal-keeper Henrik Lundkvist must be a TMO-recertified siddha: http://www.aftonbladet.se/vss/sport/story/0,2789,784526,00.html Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 2/25/06 1:10:06 P.M. Central Standard Time, jstein@ writes: Well, actually the Hebrew Scriptures are exactly, precisely that, as far as Judaism is concerned. Have you really never heard of the Covenant between God and His Chosen People? And as to rabbis being lawyers, have you never heard the provisions of the Covenant, especially in Leviticus, being referred to as the Law? Yes Judy, a covenant , however I'm referring to the legalese one would hear in today's laws... the party of the first part shall be referred to as... OK, what you said was that it wasn't a *contract* between humans and God; but that's what it is, and rabbis *do* have to interpret it like lawyers. As for the men of Sodom being homosexual? Read it for yourself Genesis 19:3 thru 9 and Judges 19:22. Yes they were at least bi- sexual because they demanded to have sex with the strangers that Lot had brought to his home for safe keeping that evening. The men of Sodom tried to break into Lot's home to rape the guests and Angels blinded the men of Sodom to make their escape along with Lot's family. Let me ask it this way: Do you think they wanted to rape Lot's visitors because they were horny? In other words, was the point sexual gratification? By definition, rape is never about sexual gratification, at least in any normal sense. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws
Huh. One Scientific American article showed conclusively that the most popular potrait of Shaekspear was a retouched version of the most popular portrait of Queen Elisabeth, and suggested that SHE was the author of a good many plays. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shaksper was an actor. He was quite a convenient front man for Oxford. I cannot answer all your questions because it is some years since I researched this and I have forgotten many of the details. But the best book on the subject was published only last August. It's called Shakespeare by Any Other Name, by Mark Anderson. I haven't read it yet, but it's a serious book, serious publisher, and was reviewed in the quality press. The author has a website, http://www.shakespearebyanothername.com/index.html, which may pique your interest in the whole issue. There are also some cheap used copies available on Amazon. The case for Oxford as author is circumstantial, but the parallels between his life and the details of the plays are cumulative and in sum overwhelming. Also, it's been known for some years now that one of the few portraits of Shaksper, known as the Ashbourne portrait, is in fact a touched up portrait of the Earl of Oxford. This has been demonstrated scientifically and has never been refuted by the Stratfordians (those who cling to the belief that Shaksper of Stratford wrote the plays). The academic establishment refuses to take the Oxford case seriously but they are looking more and more foolish as the years go by. Their biographies of Shakespeare are a joke. Of course, if they were to admit that Oxford wrote the plays, or even acknowledge the possibility of such a thing, their life's work would be negated. They simply can't afford to admit they are wrong. Someone on this site mentioned Francis Bacon as the author. No way! The only serious candidate is Oxford, and Oxford wrote those plays. I have no doubt of it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: OK, even if that were the case, the profession became respectable and has been so for quite a while since. Wouldn't the Earl's descendants have wanted to set the record straight? Wouldn't they want their own ancestor to be known as the greatest playwright in history? And why would the Earl have picked someone illiterate to be his frontman? Wouldn't that have seemed sort of suspicious? And I'm still a bit confused as to how someone who is so illiterate all they can do is to sign their own name, becomes interested in the acquisition of wealth, social status and property to begin with? And how someone this low on the social scale made his situation so well-known that 400 years later people are still talking about it. Sal On Feb 26, 2006, at 10:54 AM, feste37 wrote: It just wasn't the thing for a nobleman to write plays for the public theaters, which were considered rather disreputable places. Writing plays was something lower-class people did. It was closer to a trade than an honorable profession, hence the word playwright, as in shipwright and wheelwright, that is, an artisan, a worker. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: Why would the Earl of Oxford not have wanted to take credit for the plays? Sal On Feb 26, 2006, at 9:31 AM, feste37 wrote: Shakespeare's plays were in fact written by the Earl of Oxford. They were certainly not written by the illiterate Shaksper from Stratford, who could barely sign his own name and appears to have been interested only in the acquisition of wealth, social status and property. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: [snip] Rape generally--including heterosexual rape--is not about sex but about power. Camille Paglia says that's bullshit. Of couse, she says, rape is about sex. Camille Paglia is bullshit. She should know: she's a lesbian. Rape is about sexuality, but not really about sex in the usual sense. If it was, then guys would go pay a prostitute for sex rather than risk being executed or spending decades behind bars. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Here is something that amazed me
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maharishi used to joke about meditation police who would pick up people on the street who didn't look happy and put them in meditation asylums, one wonders. Is it possible to force someone to meditate? And what do you call a judge who makes practicing meditation part of a prison parole agreement? No, but a project can be based on volunteering based on a presumption, certainly justifiable, of all sorts of extended benefits and priveleges. I have received an email about a project in the nineites in the UK which was driven by a meditating inmate. He knew all the right buttons to push, but it fell flat on its face because the prison governor was expected to pay for the project out of his fund rather than central government who are the real beneficiaries through reduced re-offending. The TMO behaved well but were a bit intransigent. It was Whitehall who were the idiots, probably because a particular civil servant feared personal humiliation for not having done the project twenty years earlier. Uns. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Chandlers Wobble?
On Feb 26, 2006, at 10:18 PM, Nelson wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 26, 2006, at 9:31 PM, Nelson wrote: Been contemplating the wobble story that was posted a while back and wonder if there was any more thought on it. If it turned out that it could caause a pole shift, shouldnt all the "vastu correct" people be getting prepared to get upset? And with that, would the sun come up in the east if the east wasn't in the east any longer? Should we worry a little or is it another Y2K farce? N. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chandler_Wobble ++ And I thought we were going to have a little excitement. Maybe the ice caps melting a little more will do it? Well the oceans are in for quite a change. Wait till the Ross ice shelf moves to sea! :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Han måste vara en siddha!
--- cardemaister wrote: Swedish goal-keeper Henrik Lundkvist must be a TMO-recertified siddha: http://www.aftonbladet.se/vss/sport/story/0,2789,784526,00.html Briefly, what's it say? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm visualizing huge marauding hordes of homosexuals going around, breaking into homes, redecorating them, and forcing fabulous hairstyles upon the drab, heterosexual occupants. Remembering the interior photos here of that big white elephant of a S-V mansion in Fairfield, I think this would be a good thing. No one could conceivably do a worse job of interior design than the owners did. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: snip Were I a fundamentalist christian, I might call it counter to nature. Instead, I just call it something I'm not into for various reasons. However, I don't justify my personal distaste by condemning other peoplefor having other tastes. Of coruse, there are some who equate homosexualality with pediphilia and view both as a matter of taste so for them, it goes beyond a matter of taste. Well, but there's no excuse *whatsoever* for equating homosexuality with pedophilia. A pedophile is one whose sexual preference is for *prepubescent children*, of either sex. That's just a fact, that's not an opinion or a matter of taste. If the sex object is past puberty, it isn't pedophilia. Also, just for the record, pedophilia is considered a sexual disorder, whereas homosexuality is not, at least clinically. A man who is attracted to young boys, if they are past puberty, is no more sexually disordered than a man who is attracted to post-pubescent young girls. So as long as the boy has pubic hair and his voice has dropped, if he willingly engages in sex with a 60 year old man, then the 60 year old is ONLY guilty of statutory rape? Is that what you're saying? I'm sorry, can you show me where I was talking about guilt or legal distinctions? pedophilia = illegal homosexuality = legal I'm sorry, can you show me where I was talking about guilt or legal distinctions? Okay, forget whether or not you were talking about guilt or legal distinctions... No need to forget whether or not, just acknowledge that I was not. I'm now asking you whether a 60 year old man who engages in consentual homosexual sex with a post-pubescent 12 year old is only guilty of statutory rape and nothing else? How should I know? Look it up yourself. (sigh) Okay, let's try it this way. Let's try *what* this way, Shemp? Somewhere in your mind you've made some very odd connection between what I wrote and the question you keep trying to ask. Make that connection explicit, or forget it. Judy, above you said: Also, just for the record, pedophilia is considered a sexual disorder, whereas homosexuality is not, at least clinically. A man who is attracted to young boys, if they are past puberty, is no more sexually disordered than a man who is attracted to post- pubescent young girls. Do you think it is acceptable for a consenting post-pubescent 12- year-old male to consent to sex with a 60-year-old male? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Judy, your analysis is, of course, dead on accurate. But, I can't help but think you take Barry far more seriously than he takes himself. I always assume he's just joking around when he posts bullshit just to get a rise out of people. As usual, Alex has a clue. Also as usual, Judy does not. :-) I just logged on to FFL in the morning and found five screenloads (150 posts) of people yelling at each other and hurling labels at each other over a non-issue, which orifice they like having things stuck in. I figured that as long as people were going to argue over nothing, I might as well stir the waters in the hope they got it out of their system before I got back. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws
On Feb 27, 2006, at 8:39 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm visualizing huge marauding hordes of homosexuals going around, breaking into homes, redecorating them, and forcing fabulous hairstyles upon the drab, heterosexual occupants. Remembering the interior photos here of that big white elephant of a S-V mansion in Fairfield, I think this would be a good thing. No one could conceivably do a worse job of interior design than the owners did. :-) I hope they call before they come. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonyff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Camille Paglia is bullshit. Judy, this post seems very unlike you, why do you say this? Uh, because I think she's bullshit? (Not sure why it seems unlike me.) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 2/25/06 12:35:05 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Bible says it is an abomination for a man to *lay* with another man they way he would with a woman. (paraphrased). I think that gets the point across without being too graphic. I am not a biblical scholar, but apparently, the bible adds that it is within gods grace for a man to *lay* with a woman in the ways a man lays with another man. There is no sin that can not be forgiven. There is no sin, period. It's an invention of those who cannot accept themselves and others. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: Judy, your analysis is, of course, dead on accurate. But, I can't help but think you take Barry far more seriously than he takes himself. I always assume he's just joking around when he posts bullshit just to get a rise out of people. In fact, he has explicitly said that that is why he posts responses to Judy: merely to push her buttons and then sit back and laugh at her. But he isn't telling the truth. It's just a pose. Of course, WHY he wants to push such buttons is beyond me... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: Judy, above you said: Also, just for the record, pedophilia is considered a sexual disorder, whereas homosexuality is not, at least clinically. A man who is attracted to young boys, if they are past puberty, is no more sexually disordered than a man who is attracted to post-pubescent young girls. Do you think it is acceptable for a consenting post-pubescent 12- year-old male to consent to sex with a 60-year-old male? I can't speak for Judy, but I think all Judy is saying is that there is nothing disordered about being sexually attracted to people who have reached sexual maturity. However, there is a major difference between attraction and acting on that attraction. Even though adolescents are sexually mature, they are emotionally immature and vulnerable, so there are age of consent laws to protect them. Judy's saying one thing, and you're responding with a question concerning a different issue. Bingo. I've been trying to get Shemp to figure that out for himself, but he probably never would have. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: Judy, your analysis is, of course, dead on accurate. But, I can't help but think you take Barry far more seriously than he takes himself. I always assume he's just joking around when he posts bullshit just to get a rise out of people. In fact, he has explicitly said that that is why he posts responses to Judy: merely to push her buttons and then sit back and laugh at her. Yup. Of course, WHY he wants to push such buttons is beyond me... I've explicitly said that as well. It's a form of spiritual shorthand. I could go on an on about the mindset of the TM True Believer, or I could simply push the buttons of someone who has a proven history of being incapable of *not* reacting in TB fashion when someone pushes her buttons, and then just sit back and allow her to *demonstrate* the mindset I wanted exposed. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: Judy, your analysis is, of course, dead on accurate. But, I can't help but think you take Barry far more seriously than he takes himself. I always assume he's just joking around when he posts bullshit just to get a rise out of people. In fact, he has explicitly said that that is why he posts responses to Judy: merely to push her buttons and then sit back and laugh at her. Yup. Of course, WHY he wants to push such buttons is beyond me... I've explicitly said that as well. It's a form of spiritual shorthand. I could go on an on about the mindset of the TM True Believer, or I could simply push the buttons of someone who has a proven history of being incapable of *not* reacting in TB fashion when someone pushes her buttons, and then just sit back and allow her to *demonstrate* the mindset I wanted exposed. Q.E.D. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: Judy, your analysis is, of course, dead on accurate. But, I can't help but think you take Barry far more seriously than he takes himself. I always assume he's just joking around when he posts bullshit just to get a rise out of people. As usual, Alex has a clue. Also as usual, Judy does not. :-) I just logged on to FFL in the morning and found five screenloads (150 posts) of people yelling at each other and hurling labels at each other over a non-issue, which orifice they like having things stuck in. So Alex, do you think this is an honest description of the posts Barry found? I figured that as long as people were going to argue over nothing, I might as well stir the waters in the hope they got it out of their system before I got back. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...
In a message dated 2/26/06 6:17:40 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: According to the Bible, they didn't want to have toshare their prosperity with every stranger who camealong.I suspect they could have found other means, but rapewas a pretty effective threat, and, as I said, a commonmeans of doing so at that time.Plus which, they probably would have enjoyed the actualintimidation and humiliation of the strangers.Rape generally--including heterosexual rape--is notabout sex but about power. I re read the story ofLot and found nothing about the people of Sodom not wanting to share their prosperity with anybody. Perhaps just the opposite. The crowd expected they Angels share themselves with the men and boys of Sodom while staying in their city.In fact the two angels that came were traveling and only intended to spend the night in the town square and Lot insisted they come to his home where he prepared a feast for them and they would be able to leave in the morningand be on their way as earlyas they wanted. In fact when the crowd demanded to "know" or have sex with the two angels andLot refused and offered his virgin daughters instead, the crowd became furious andtold Lot he was an outsider living among them and had no right totell them what they could have or not have. The point of the story was God had been told the people of Sodom and Gomorra were wicked in every way and He wanted to see for himself. Now I'll agree,thatdepriving hospitality to traveling strangerscould have been looked upon as wicked or unkind but remember, they were wicked in every way. And Laviticus 18:22 describes homosexuality as an abomination in the eyes of God. Also it says else where in the Bible that God took the land that he gave to the Jews away from other people that had defiled themselves through such behaviors. And God commanded that Jews not do the same things or he would take the land from them. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...
In a message dated 2/26/06 6:48:11 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Christ. What Christ is saying is that the people of a town that refuses his message are in far worse condition because the message was offered and rejected where as it was never offered to the Sodomites who never rejected it.Of course, but why did Jesus choose Sodom for thecomparison? He didn't just pick it out of a hat; Exactly! Are there any other towns other than Sodom and Gomorra that were totally destroyed by God with fire and brimstone mentioned in the Bible? It was the ideal example that Jesus was trying to impress on his disciples. God's judgemnet. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 2/26/06 6:17:40 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: According to the Bible, they didn't want to have to share their prosperity with every stranger who came along. I suspect they could have found other means, but rape was a pretty effective threat, and, as I said, a common means of doing so at that time. Plus which, they probably would have enjoyed the actual intimidation and humiliation of the strangers. Rape generally--including heterosexual rape--is not about sex but about power. I re read the story of Lot and found nothing about the people of Sodom not wanting to share their prosperity with anybody. Behold, this was the guilt of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters had arrogance, abundant food, and careless ease, but she did not help the poor and needy. Thus they were haughty and committed abominations before Me. Therefore I removed them when I saw it. (Ezekiel 16:49-50) In other words, the abominations were secondary. In becoming arrogant and selfish, they separated themselves from God and *as a result* descended into immorality. Question for you: Which do you think is more immoral, being homosexual, or raping strangers? Perhaps just the opposite. The crowd expected they Angels share themselves with the men and boys of Sodom while staying in their city. In fact the two angels that came were traveling and only intended to spend the night in the town square and Lot insisted they come to his home where he prepared a feast for them and they would be able to leave in the morning and be on their way as early as they wanted. In fact when the crowd demanded to know or have sex with the two angels and Lot refused and offered his virgin daughters instead, the crowd became furious and told Lot he was an outsider living among them and had no right to tell them what they could have or not have. The point of the story was God had been told the people of Sodom and Gomorra were wicked in every way and He wanted to see for himself. Now I'll agree,that depriving hospitality to traveling strangers could have been looked upon as wicked or unkind but remember, they were wicked in every way. And Laviticus 18:22 describes homosexuality as an abomination in the eyes of God. Also it says else where in the Bible that God took the land that he gave to the Jews away from other people that had defiled themselves through such behaviors. And God commanded that Jews not do the same things or he would take the land from them. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO sues unrecertified governor
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bmorry2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: scozzari [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Recipient List Suppressed:; Subject: Lawsuit - TMO vs Scozzari Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:16:03 -0500 Mike Scozzari 2241 SW 15 St., Deerfield Beach 33442 561-392-5418 Home RE: Post #89101 Not now Mr. bmorry Ð canÕt you see weÕre busy? There are more urgent issues at hand, like homosexuality and the hermeneutics of Shakespeare. Please do come back though - perhaps when things have settled a bit. -- Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 2/26/06 6:48:11 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Christ. What Christ is saying is that the people of a town that refuses his message are in far worse condition because the message was offered and rejected where as it was never offered to the Sodomites who never rejected it. Of course, but why did Jesus choose Sodom for the comparison? He didn't just pick it out of a hat; Exactly! Are there any other towns other than Sodom and Gomorra that were totally destroyed by God with fire and brimstone mentioned in the Bible? It was the ideal example that Jesus was trying to impress on his disciples. God's judgemnet. That was certainly a factor: This is how God punishes people who are so arrogant they are deaf to God's Word. But the Hebrew Scriptures are full of tales of such punishments of one unpleasant, violent sort or another. Jesus chose the destruction of Sodom because it worked in three respects: a punishment meted out to a *town*, the comparative severity of the punishment, *and* the specific sin for which it was punished. If you want to insist that Sodom was punished for the the sin of homosexuality, the force of the analogy is greatly weakened because the sins wouldn't be similar. Jesus was nothing if not precise in his analogies and metaphors. That's why they're so powerful. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: Judy, your analysis is, of course, dead on accurate. But, I can't help but think you take Barry far more seriously than he takes himself. I always assume he's just joking around when he posts bullshit just to get a rise out of people. As usual, Alex has a clue. Also as usual, Judy does not. :-) I just logged on to FFL in the morning and found five screenloads (150 posts) of people yelling at each other and hurling labels at each other over a non-issue, which orifice they like having things stuck in. So Alex, do you think this is an honest description of the posts Barry found? I wouldn't describe the discussion as yelling, but it was a little bit heated at times, and there were labels being thrown around. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wouldn't describe the discussion as yelling, but it was a little bit heated at times, and there were labels being thrown around. Labels as weapons...like kids throwing insults on the order of Poopie pants at each other, while arguing about things that only children would argue about. :-) I just don't know what is sillier -- people getting all elitist and moralistic about their sexual preferences being better than other people's sexual preferences, or people getting all elitist and moralistic about their particular brand of political correctness being better than other people's. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: Judy, your analysis is, of course, dead on accurate. But, I can't help but think you take Barry far more seriously than he takes himself. I always assume he's just joking around when he posts bullshit just to get a rise out of people. As usual, Alex has a clue. Also as usual, Judy does not. :-) I just logged on to FFL in the morning and found five screenloads (150 posts) of people yelling at each other and hurling labels at each other over a non-issue, which orifice they like having things stuck in. So Alex, do you think this is an honest description of the posts Barry found? I wouldn't describe the discussion as yelling, but it was a little bit heated at times, and there were labels being thrown around. Granted, but was the discussion only about which orifice the posters liked having things stuck in? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...
In a message dated 2/27/06 9:29:23 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But the Hebrew Scriptures are full of tales of suchpunishments of one unpleasant, violent sort or another.Jesus chose the destruction of Sodom because it workedin three respects: a punishment meted out to a *town*,the comparative severity of the punishment, *and* thespecific sin for which it was punished.If you want to insist that Sodom was punished for thethe sin of homosexuality, the force of the analogy isgreatly weakened because the sins wouldn't be similar.Jesus was nothing if not precise in his analogies andmetaphors. That's why they're so powerful. Judy can youfind something specific that I said regarding this whole thread that Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed *only* for homosexuality. The Story of Lot specifically says the Lord told Abraham, "I have heard that the people of Sodom and Gomorrah are extremely evil and everything they do is wicked. I am going down to see whether or not these reports are true then will know." Now couple this with Leviticus 18:22 "Do not practice homosexuality; it is a detestable sin". Surely the act of raping or wanting to molest the strangers is an act of homosexuality whether it is for pleasure or exhorting power. Either way, it is an abominable act and considered sinful. The actions of homosexuality are forbidden by God. And I believe the whole purpose of this thread was somebody had asked if there was anything in scripture that forbid homosexuality and if so what and where. I have mentioned several places in the Bible where homosexuality is considered a sin and should not be practiced. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...
In a message dated 2/27/06 1:56:44 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What's the punishment for this "abomination?" Failing to observe the Sabbath (always Saturday, sorry non-7th-dayers) is punishable by being stoned or banished. What's the set punishment for homosexuality in the bible? Do your own rersearch To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] The easy way to do a bit of self-enquiry
Another one that is effective is to notice the experience when you have no relationship to your thoughts or feelings. Only the I-thought is left. --- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- Forwarded Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 15:59:07 EST To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: the easy way to do a bit of self-enquiry rick, last night i sent a reply to my brother on the topic of self-enquiry and i thought you might like to see it so i'm appending it below. i usually think of enquiry as being hard but simple, but lately i've been appreciating how it can be approached in a way that's both simple and easy. i hope you like it and will post it on fairfield life. bax = ... i think you're right in that having a good understanding of who we are is what makes everything else in life work out. the main thing to remember about self-enquiry is that we are always dealing with two levels of i-ness. the superficial one is the thought, 'i', also known as ego or mind. it's our enemy in the sense that its birth marks our fall from grace, our original sin. but it's also our best friend in the sense that it can be used more effectively than any other tool to help us reconnect with the real I-ness deep inside. in the end, the i-thought (the ego) must go, but not before it has led us to its source. the source of the i-thought is our true Self, the real I-ness at the core of our being, also known as the Heart. as far as finding time to meditate, i think it's more effective to catch a few fleeting moments in the midst of normal daily activities than to sit specifically for this purpose. for example, maybe you're watching a good show on tv and you're really lost in it, and then you innocently notice that you are there - that's a moment that can be used: that simple thought/feeling, i'm back or, oh yeah, i'm here and i know it can be held for a few moments before it slips away. the difference between a moment right after remembering oneself and right before doing so is just this basic background feeling of i'm here-ness, the common, automatic feeling of return to self-awareness following a subjective absence. i think of this as 'commercial-time', because it occurs when life's 'show' stops for a moment and a break occurs. the easy way to do a bit of self-enquiry is to just reinforce the habit of capitalizing on such opportunities when they come to us unbidden. sometimes, when i find myself in one of these moments and compare the 'before' and 'after' feelings, it seems that when i was 'gone' in a sense i wasn't really alive. some time has passed and i'm 'suddenly' a bit older, but i feel kind of cheated, because it's almost as if i wasn't there to live my life during that time. it seems to have happened all by itself, without me, because it lacked the personal touch of my self-awareness. this simple return to self-awareness is the feeling of remembering per se, rather than remembering this or that. in fact, the only thing that we ever really remember is ourself, but we tend to assign that special feeling to whatever random thought happens to be passing through our mind at that moment and call this assignment a 'memory' of the object or event that that thought refers to. if you think about it, this feeling of remembering ourself is the only thing that we ever really know for sure. we know it directly, whereas anything else that we 'know' is subject to doubt and debate. doing what we can to nurture a budding curiosity about this feeling is more productive than time spent in sitting meditation, because it's immediate and true to what we are innocently feeling in that moment. it's natural to be curious about anything new that we become aware of. if we meet someone new, we want to know more about them even if we've only spent a few moments in their company. how much stronger is the natural curiosity about our feeling of here I-amness once we begin to notice that it's been with us for so long? i thought of a couple of images for nurturing that natural fascination for the feeling of i-ness and for seeing that it can lead us to its source, the Self. (these are the two levels of i-ness that we started with: the i-thought and the source of the i-thought, the Self). i hope you like them. the first one is at a wedding reception. a man shows up and enjoys the food and company. the groom's family assumes that he's part of the bride's party and vice versa, so no-one gives him a second thought. but sooner or later, someone starts to notice him and to wonder who he is. as soon as anyone even begins to approach him, he splits the scene. it's all quite automatic once someone's attention is drawn to him, so that first moment of curiosity in them marks the beginning of the end for him. it's the same way with the sense or feeling of i-ness. we just assume
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: I wouldn't describe the discussion as yelling, but it was a little bit heated at times, and there were labels being thrown around. Labels as weapons...like kids throwing insults on the order of Poopie pants at each other, while arguing about things that only children would argue about. :-) Um, right, like the Bible's stance on homosexuality, the distinction between pedophilia and homosexuality, the problem of AIDS in Africa, whether rape is about sex or about power, the vilification of a minority by the majority, the homosexual agenda, and whether homosexuality is contrary to the laws of nature, among other childish topics (with a few side trips such who was the real author of Shakespeare's plays, the various incarnations of the Comte St.-Germaine, the legalistic content of the Talmud, and the Secret Gospel of Mark). I just don't know what is sillier -- people getting all elitist and moralistic about their sexual preferences being better than other people's sexual preferences, or people getting all elitist and moralistic about their particular brand of political correctness being better than other people's. Actually what's sillier by far is pretending other people's deeply held personal convictions are no more than a matter of political correctness. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...
--- authfriend wrote: --- anonyff wrote: --- authfriend wrote: Camille Paglia is bullshit. Judy, this post seems very unlike you, why do you say this? Uh, because I think she's bullshit? (Not sure why it seems unlike me.) I haven't analyzed your posts, Judy, but I would venture that if I did, I'd find most have a beginning, a middle and an end: Camille Paglia is bullshit because she's wrong. Every study of rape finds it's an act of violent control. For Paglia to say rape is an act of sex is like saying head-on collisions are an alternative way to park one's car. To simply say she's bullshit and walk away is kind of pugilis interruptus, you know what I mean? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 2/27/06 9:29:23 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But the Hebrew Scriptures are full of tales of such punishments of one unpleasant, violent sort or another. Jesus chose the destruction of Sodom because it worked in three respects: a punishment meted out to a *town*, the comparative severity of the punishment, *and* the specific sin for which it was punished. If you want to insist that Sodom was punished for the the sin of homosexuality, the force of the analogy is greatly weakened because the sins wouldn't be similar. Jesus was nothing if not precise in his analogies and metaphors. That's why they're so powerful. Judy can you find something specific that I said regarding this whole thread that Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed *only* for homosexuality. I don't believe I suggested you said anything to that effect. You *did* cite the story of Sodom as evidence that God really, really doesn't like homosexuality, however. The Story of Lot specifically says the Lord told Abraham, I have heard that the people of Sodom and Gomorrah are extremely evil and everything they do is wicked. I am going down to see whether or not these reports are true then will know. Now couple this with Leviticus 18:22 Do not practice homosexuality; it is a detestable sin. (Note that there are significant scholarly disputes over the meaning of the term here translated detestable sin.) Surely the act of raping or wanting to molest the strangers is an act of homosexuality whether it is for pleasure or exhorting power. Homosexuality has two different meanings: homosexual acts, and sexual preference. And the former, as you note, takes two forms. Homosexual acts between two people of homosexual preference are engaged in for pleasure and, often, out of deep emotional feelings of love, just as with heterosexuals. Homosexual acts between two people of *heterosexual* preference are engaged in for many different reasons, including ritualistic performance, stimulating a jaded sexual appetite, and for purposes of intimidation and humiliation, among others. Now, given a loving, beneficent God, which type of homosexuality do you think He would be most opposed to? Or do you think He would condemn all of them as equally detestable in His sight? Either way, it is an abominable act and considered sinful. The actions of homosexuality are forbidden by God. And I believe the whole purpose of this thread was somebody had asked if there was anything in scripture that forbid homosexuality and if so what and where. I have mentioned several places in the Bible where homosexuality is considered a sin and should not be practiced. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 2/27/06 1:56:44 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What's the punishment for this abomination? Failing to observe the Sabbath (always Saturday, sorry non-7th-dayers) is punishable by being stoned or banished. What's the set punishment for homosexuality in the bible? Do your own rersearch I seem to remember that in Hebrews 16:4 the punishment for being uptight about *anything* related to sex was to reincarnate in a place and time where people argue endlessly about such things on something the prophets called the Intern-aught or a term similar to that one. The image was of being interned up to one's aught (this word has been suggested by Biblical scholars to mean ears) in shit. This fate was generally considered to be worse than going to Hell. In Hell at least there was variety, and occasionally a sense of humor. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality... on 2/27/06 10:08 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 2/27/06 9:29:23 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But the Hebrew Scriptures are full of tales of such punishments of one unpleasant, violent sort or another. Jesus chose the destruction of Sodom because it worked in three respects: a punishment meted out to a *town*, the comparative severity of the punishment, *and* the specific sin for which it was punished. If you want to insist that Sodom was punished for the the sin of homosexuality, the force of the analogy is greatly weakened because the sins wouldn't be similar. Jesus was nothing if not precise in his analogies and metaphors. That's why they're so powerful. Judy can you find something specific that I said regarding this whole thread that Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed *only* for homosexuality. The Story of Lot specifically says the Lord told Abraham, I have heard that the people of Sodom and Gomorrah are extremely evil and everything they do is wicked. I am going down to see whether or not these reports are true then will know. Now couple this with Leviticus 18:22 Do not practice homosexuality; it is a detestable sin. Surely the act of raping or wanting to molest the strangers is an act of homosexuality whether it is for pleasure or exhorting power. Either way, it is an abominable act and considered sinful. According to the Bible: Laura Schlessinger is a US radio personality who dispenses advice to people who call in to her radio show. Recently, she said that homosexuality is an abominaton according to Leviticus 18:22 and cannot be condoned in any circumstance. The following is an open letter to Dr.Laura penned by a US resident and also posted on the Internet:- Dear Dr. Laura, Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and I try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate. I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the specific laws and how to follow them- a) When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odour for the Lord (Lev. 1:9). The problem is my neighbours. They claim the odour is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them? b ) I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her? c) I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness (Lev. 15:19-24). The problem is,how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offence. d) Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighbouring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians? e) I have a neighbour who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself? f) A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination (Lev. 11:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this? g) Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here? h) Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev.19:27. How should they die? i) I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves? j) My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them?(Lev.24:10-16) Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14) I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging. Your devoted disciple and adoring fan. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management
[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 2/27/06 10:08 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 2/27/06 9:29:23 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But the Hebrew Scriptures are full of tales of such punishments of one unpleasant, violent sort or another. Jesus chose the destruction of Sodom because it worked in three respects: a punishment meted out to a *town*, the comparative severity of the punishment, *and* the specific sin for which it was punished. If you want to insist that Sodom was punished for the the sin of homosexuality, the force of the analogy is greatly weakened because the sins wouldn't be similar. Jesus was nothing if not precise in his analogies and metaphors. That's why they're so powerful. (Um, the following was written by MDixon, not me.) Judy can you find something specific that I said regarding this whole thread that Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed *only* for homosexuality. The Story of Lot specifically says the Lord told Abraham, I have heard that the people of Sodom and Gomorrah are extremely evil and everything they do is wicked. I am going down to see whether or not these reports are true then will know. Now couple this with Leviticus 18:22 Do not practice homosexuality; it is a detestable sin. Surely the act of raping or wanting to molest the strangers is an act of homosexuality whether it is for pleasure or exhorting power. Either way, it is an abominable act and considered sinful. According to the Bible: Laura Schlessinger is a US radio personality who dispenses advice to people who call in to her radio show. Recently, she said that homosexuality is an abominaton according to Leviticus 18:22 and cannot be condoned in any circumstance. The following is an open letter to Dr.Laura penned by a US resident and also posted on the Internet:- Dear Dr. Laura, Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and I try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate. I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the specific laws and how to follow them- a) When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odour for the Lord (Lev. 1:9). The problem is my neighbours. They claim the odour is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them? b ) I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her? c) I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness (Lev. 15:19-24). The problem is,how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offence. d) Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighbouring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians? e) I have a neighbour who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself? f) A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination (Lev. 11:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this? g) Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here? h) Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev.19:27. How should they die? i) I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves? j) My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them?(Lev.24:10-16) Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14) I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging. Your devoted disciple and adoring fan. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured
[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- authfriend wrote: --- anonyff wrote: --- authfriend wrote: Camille Paglia is bullshit. Judy, this post seems very unlike you, why do you say this? Uh, because I think she's bullshit? (Not sure why it seems unlike me.) I haven't analyzed your posts, Judy, but I would venture that if I did, I'd find most have a beginning, a middle and an end: Camille Paglia is bullshit because she's wrong. Every study of rape finds it's an act of violent control. For Paglia to say rape is an act of sex is like saying head-on collisions are an alternative way to park one's car. To simply say she's bullshit and walk away is kind of pugilis interruptus, you know what I mean? Fair enough. But in this case I was responding to a post which stated flatly that Paglia had said rape was about sex, no further argument, so a flatly stated response seemed appropriate. If somebody wants to present Paglia's reasons for saying rape is about sex rather than power, I'd be happy to take a crack at refuting them. (Love your analogy. May I borrow it?) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...
On Feb 27, 2006, at 8:44 AM, authfriend wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "anonyff" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" jstein@ wrote: Camille Paglia is bullshit. Judy, this post seems very unlike you, why do you say this? Uh, because I think she's bullshit? (Not sure why it seems unlike me.) Maybe because you seem similar is some way? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...
On Feb 27, 2006, at 11:31 AM, Rick Archer wrote:on 2/27/06 10:08 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:In a message dated 2/27/06 9:29:23 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But the Hebrew Scriptures are full of tales of such punishments of one unpleasant, violent sort or another.Jesus chose the destruction of Sodom because it worked in three respects: a punishment meted out to a *town*, the comparative severity of the punishment, *and* the specific sin for which it was punished.If you want to insist that Sodom was punished for the the sin of homosexuality, the force of the analogy is greatly weakened because the sins wouldn't be similar.Jesus was nothing if not precise in his analogies and metaphors. That's why they're so powerful. Judy can you find something specific that I said regarding this whole thread that Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed *only* for homosexuality. The Story of Lot specifically says the Lord told Abraham, "I have heard that the people of Sodom and Gomorrah are extremely evil and everything they do is wicked. I am going down to see whether or not these reports are true then will know." Now couple this with Leviticus 18:22 "Do not practice homosexuality; it is a detestable sin". Surely the act of raping or wanting to molest the strangers is an act of homosexuality whether it is for pleasure or exhorting power. Either way, it is an abominable act and considered sinful.According to the Bible:Laura Schlessinger is a US radio personality who dispenses advice to people who call in to her radio show. Recently, she said that homosexuality is an abominaton according to Leviticus 18:22 and cannot be condoned in any circumstance. The following is an open letter to Dr.Laura penned by a US resident and also posted on the Internet:-Dear Dr. Laura, Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law.I have learned a great deal from your show, and I try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate. I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the specific laws and how to follow them-a) When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odour for the Lord (Lev. 1:9). The problem is my neighbours. They claim the odour is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?b ) I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?c) I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness (Lev. 15:19-24). The problem is,how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offence.d) Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighbouring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?e) I have a neighbour who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?f) A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination (Lev. 11:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?g) Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?h) Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev.19:27. How should they die?i) I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?j) My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them?(Lev.24:10-16) Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging. Your devoted disciple and adoring fan. Jesus f*cking Christ are you going to be smote for posting that! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi
[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] The following is an open letter to Dr.Laura penned by a US resident and also posted on the Internet:- Actually it was penned by an US Pesident: Jeb Bartlett of West Wing -- it was part of the script of one of the shows. Dear Dr. Laura, Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and I try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate. I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the specific laws and how to follow them- a) When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odour for the Lord (Lev. 1:9). The problem is my neighbours. They claim the odour is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them? b ) I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her? c) I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness (Lev. 15:19-24). The problem is,how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offence. d) Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighbouring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians? e) I have a neighbour who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself? f) A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination (Lev. 11:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this? g) Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here? h) Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev.19:27. How should they die? i) I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves? j) My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them?(Lev.24:10-16) Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14) I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging. Your devoted disciple and adoring fan. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 27, 2006, at 8:44 AM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonyff anonyff@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Camille Paglia is bullshit. Why do we keep picking on bulls -- a fine and noble animal. Why not say rat shit. Or cockroach shit. Or the worst of all, Barry Shit. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality... on 2/27/06 10:38 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jesus f*cking Christ are you going to be smote for posting that! We must inquire, who is the smiter, and who the smitee? Isnt there really only one of us? And is there really a process of smiting, or is that not also part of Brahman? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 27, 2006, at 8:44 AM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonyff anonyff@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Camille Paglia is bullshit. Judy, this post seems very unlike you, why do you say this? Uh, because I think she's bullshit? (Not sure why it seems unlike me.) Maybe because you seem similar is some way? It seems unlike me because I seem similar. Very good, Vaj. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Vedic -- Oops! I mean -- Catholic City
The Sunday Times - World The Sunday Times February 26, 2006 'Pizza pope' builds a Catholic heaven Tony Allen-Mills, New York A FORMER marine who was raised by nuns and made a fortune selling pizza has embarked on a £230m plan to build the first town in America to be run according to strict Catholic principles. Abortions, pornography and contraceptives will be banned in the new Florida town of Ave Maria, which has begun to take shape on former vegetable farms 90 miles northwest of Miami. Tom Monaghan, the founder of the Domino's Pizza chain, has stirred protests from civil rights activists by declaring that Ave Maria's pharmacies will not be allowed to sell condoms or birth control pills. The town's cable television network will carry no X-rated channels. The town will be centred around a 100ft tall oratory and the first Catholic university to be built in America for 40 years. The university's president, Nicholas J Healy, has said future students should help rebuild the city of God in a country suffering from catastrophic cultural collapse. Monaghan, 68, sold his takeaway chain in 1998 for an estimated $1 billion (£573m). A devout Catholic who has ploughed millions into religious projects including radio stations, primary schools and a Catholic law faculty in Michigan Monaghan has bought about 5,000 acres previously used by migrant farmers. The land on the western edge of the Everglades swamp will eventually house up to 30,000 people, with 5,000 students living on the university campus. Florida officials have declared the project a development bonanza for a depressed area, and Governor Jeb Bush attended a groundbreaking ceremony for the new university earlier this month. Yet civil rights activists and other watchdogs concerned about the separation of church and state are threatening lawsuits if Ave Maria attempts to enforce Catholic dogma. Environmentalists have also complained the town will restrict the habitat of the Florida panther, an endangered species. None of which has deterred Monaghan, who initially tried to build his new university in Michigan but could not get permission. Asked recently about possible lawsuits in Florida, he replied: That's great. That would be the best publicity we could get. The Florida developers managing the project claim more than 7,000 people have already expressed interest in buying homes in the town. Retailers and other businesses are reportedly close to leasing 60% of the intended commercial space. Monaghan was sent to a Catholic orphanage with his brother James after the death of their father on Christmas Eve 1941. After serving with the US Marines and later dropping out of university, he founded Domino's in 1960 with his brother, who sold back his share for a Volkswagen Beetle. Monaghan then set about building what became America's second- largest pizza chain. He collected antique cars, bought a yacht and became the owner of the Detroit Tigers baseball team. About 15 years ago he read Mere Christianity by CS Lewis. That was a big turnaround, he said recently. I decided to simplify my life. No more airplanes, no more yachts. It's been a big relief. Sources close to the project said Monaghan was particularly disturbed by what he regards as the failure of western civilisation to resist Islamic fundamentalism. In a speech to students last year Healy warned that Islam no longer faces a religiously dynamic West. Healy described the virtual collapse of Europe as one of the most profound and unsettling developments of our new century. He added: If you consider the more telling signs, such as its plummeting birth rate, Europe does not even seem to believe in a future . . . children are a sign of hope and the fruit of obedience to God's command to be fruitful and multiply. Monaghan has argued that the owners of the town's commercial properties will be free to impose conditions in leases notably the restriction on the sale of contraceptives. But that has been challenged by Howard Simon, executive director of the Florida branch of the American Civil Liberties Union. Simon said the US Supreme Court had already ruled ownership [of a town] does not always mean absolute dominion. If he wants to build a town and encourage like-minded people to come and live there, that's fine. We get into problems where he tries to exercise governmental authority. Frances Kissling, president of a liberal Catholic group supporting women's rights to contraception and abortion, said the idea of a Catholic town was very disturbing. We have to learn to tolerate the fact that there are other religions as well as non-believers and the interplay of cultures helps make each of us more productive members of society. A Catholic- only town goes totally against that. Lawsuits appear inevitable once the new town begins functioning in 2007, but Monaghan believes he has more than the law on his
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...
On Feb 27, 2006, at 12:06 PM, Rick Archer wrote:on 2/27/06 10:38 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Jesus f*cking Christ are you going to be smote for posting that!We must inquire, who is the smiter, and who the smitee? Isn’t there really only one of us? And is there really a process of smiting, or is that not also part of Brahman?"I" can't decide! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 2/25/06 12:35:05 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Bible says it is an abomination for a man to *lay* with another man they way he would with a woman. (paraphrased). I think that gets the point across without being too graphic. I am not a biblical scholar, but apparently, the bible adds that it is within gods grace for a man to *lay* with a woman in the ways a man lays with another man. There is no sin that can not be forgiven. There is no sin, period. It's an invention of those who cannot accept themselves and others. Until I see some holy book that explicitly and clearly says that doing this or that particular homosexual act is a sin, I would have to agree with Barry. Laying with another man is pretty darn ambiguous. As Foufou Macoute pointed out, those fundamentalists that insist upon interpreting the Bible literally must ONLY be against the literal lying of a man with another man...everything else isn't expressly forbidden therefore there is nothing against doing it. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't speak for Judy, but I think all Judy is saying is that there is nothing disordered about being sexually attracted to people who have reached sexual maturity. However, there is a major difference between attraction and acting on that attraction. Even though adolescents are sexually mature, they are emotionally immature and vulnerable, so there are age of consent laws to protect them. While I am not arguing against age of consent laws, thought European standards might be more realistic, your argument seems not so solid. If adolescents are sexually mature, they are emotionally immature and vulnerable, so there are age of consent laws to protect them, then why not laws to protect them from sex with peers? Two emotionally immature and vulnerable people engaging in intimate emotional acts is OK, but one emotionally immature and vulnerable person engaged in an engaging in intimate emotional act with a mature person is not? Judy's saying one thing, and you're resp onding with a question concerning a different issue. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...
On Feb 27, 2006, at 12:17 PM, authfriend wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 27, 2006, at 8:44 AM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "anonyff" anonyff@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" jstein@ wrote:Camille Paglia is bullshit. Judy, this post seems very unlike you, why do you say this? Uh, because I think she's bullshit? (Not sure why it seems unlike me.) Maybe because you seem similar is some way? It seems unlike me because I seem similar. Very good, Vaj. I was actually serious. I often thought of you as similar to Camille (in a positive sense), therefore it was surprising to hear you find her offensive in some way and therefore the post seemed unlike you...however...people often project dislike towards those who mirror certain aspects of themselves, no? Can you see Camille as a certain aspect of yourself? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...
Maybe this is the abridged version. :) Sal On Feb 27, 2006, at 10:25 AM, Patrick Gillam wrote: I haven't analyzed your posts, Judy, but I would venture that if I did, I'd find most have a beginning, a middle and an end: Camille Paglia is bullshit because she's wrong. Every study of rape finds it's an act of violent control. For Paglia to say rape is an act of sex is like saying head-on collisions are an alternative way to park one's car. To simply say she's bullshit and walk away is kind of pugilis interruptus, you know what I mean?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe this is the abridged version. :) Sal Abridged over troubled waters? On Feb 27, 2006, at 10:25 AM, Patrick Gillam wrote: I haven't analyzed your posts, Judy, but I would venture that if I did, I'd find most have a beginning, a middle and an end: Camille Paglia is bullshit because she's wrong. Every study of rape finds it's an act of violent control. For Paglia to say rape is an act of sex is like saying head-on collisions are an alternative way to park one's car. To simply say she's bullshit and walk away is kind of pugilis interruptus, you know what I mean? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 2/25/06 12:35:05 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Bible says it is an abomination for a man to *lay* with another man they way he would with a woman. (paraphrased). I think that gets the point across without being too graphic. I am not a biblical scholar, but apparently, the bible adds that it is within gods grace for a man to *lay* with a woman in the ways a man lays with another man. There is no sin that can not be forgiven. There is no sin, period. It's an invention of those who cannot accept themselves and others. Until I see some holy book that explicitly and clearly says that doing this or that particular homosexual act is a sin, I would have to agree with Barry. I know I'm in effect agreeing with myself to agree with Shemp here :-), but I'll not only agree, I'll see his agreement and raise him one heresy. I personally have never met a book I would consider holy, so it really doesn't matter to me what *any* of them has to say on this subject. I know that might sound harsh, so I'll explain. In my opinion, EVERY SINGLE HOLY BOOK IN THE HISTORY OF THIS PLANET WAS WRITTEN BY MEN, FOR MEN. A few of them IMO may have been inspired, in the sense that they were written by or dictated by human beings in higher states of consciousness, but to be honest not very many of them even achieved that. The norm in the realm of holy books is that most of the books that humans consider holy were written by NON-enlightened humans describing the actions of enlightened (or at least more enlightened) fellow humans as best they could (such as the Gospels). IMO *none* of them was either written by God or inspired by God. They were all written by men, doing their best to interpret their own experiences and hoping to inspire others to have experiences of their own. So it really doesn't matter to me what ANY of them says on the subject of sex and sexuality, be it between men and women, men and men, women and women, men and toasters, women and battery-powered objects, whatever. Whatever the scriptures say, to me they are merely words, and merely the words of other people just like myself. They are not necessarily any closer to truth than grafiti written on a subway wall. Others are free to believe what they want about the books they revere. But I'll believe that any of them are actual scriptures the day someone can show me a copy of one that was actually autographed by the supposed author. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 27, 2006, at 12:17 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Feb 27, 2006, at 8:44 AM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonyff anonyff@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Camille Paglia is bullshit. Judy, this post seems very unlike you, why do you say this? Uh, because I think she's bullshit? (Not sure why it seems unlike me.) Maybe because you seem similar is some way? It seems unlike me because I seem similar. Very good, Vaj. I was actually serious. I often thought of you as similar to Camille (in a positive sense), therefore it was surprising to hear you find her offensive in some way and therefore the post seemed unlike you...however... people often project dislike towards those who mirror certain aspects of themselves, no? Can you see Camille as a certain aspect of yourself? Other than that we can both be abrasive and both loathe what seems to us to be hypocrisy, no. But her abrasiveness and hatred of hypocrisy aren't why I think she's full of it. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...
--- authfriend wrote: in this case I was responding to a post which stated flatly that Paglia had said rape was about sex, no further argument, so a flatly stated response seemed appropriate. Oh yeah, it was perfect. And your rationale for not elaborating makes utter sense. Thanks. (Love your analogy. May I borrow it?) Be my guest. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 2/25/06 12:35:05 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Bible says it is an abomination for a man to *lay* with another man they way he would with a woman. (paraphrased). I think that gets the point across without being too graphic. I am not a biblical scholar, but apparently, the bible adds that it is within gods grace for a man to *lay* with a woman in the ways a man lays with another man. There is no sin that can not be forgiven. There is no sin, period. It's an invention of those who cannot accept themselves and others. Until I see some holy book that explicitly and clearly says that doing this or that particular homosexual act is a sin, I would have to agree with Barry. I know I'm in effect agreeing with myself to agree with Shemp here :-), but I'll not only agree, I'll see his agreement and raise him one heresy. I personally have never met a book I would consider holy, so it really doesn't matter to me what *any* of them has to say on this subject. I know that might sound harsh, so I'll explain. In my opinion, EVERY SINGLE HOLY BOOK IN THE HISTORY OF THIS PLANET WAS WRITTEN BY MEN, FOR MEN. A few of them IMO may have been inspired, in the sense that they were written by or dictated by human beings in higher states of consciousness, but to be honest not very many of them even achieved that. The norm in the realm of holy books is that most of the books that humans consider holy were written by NON-enlightened humans describing the actions of enlightened (or at least more enlightened) fellow humans as best they could (such as the Gospels). IMO *none* of them was either written by God or inspired by God. Is that the sole criterion by which a book can be judged holy? Or is that just how you're defining holy? Is it possible there are other viable definitions of the term? If there *were* (hypothetically) a book that met this criterion of holy--i.e., that it was written or inspired by God--would what it said then matter to you? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...
On Feb 27, 2006, at 12:41 PM, TurquoiseB wrote:I know that might sound harsh, so I'll explain. In my opinion, EVERY SINGLE "HOLY" BOOK IN THE HISTORY OF THIS PLANET WAS WRITTEN BY MEN, FOR MEN. A few of them IMO may have been "inspired," in the sense that they were written by or dictated by human beings in higher states of consciousness, but to be honest not very many of them even achieved that. The norm in the realm of "holy books" is that most of the books that humans consider "holy" were written by NON-enlightened humans describing the actions of enlightened (or at least more enlightened) fellow humans as best they could (such as the Gospels). What about yellow scrolls written in microscopic Dakini script :-)?...not all works are "by purusha", by men. Of course, this is one thing Mahesh Yogi has claimed to have: the "apurusheya bhasya" (not purusha created commentary), of Rig Veda, which is also "not by man". So "men" can use the fact that books 'not by men' have some alleged clout...What about texts that require a certain level or state of consciousness to even grok?Sometimes there's more to the text than meets the eye. :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, foufou_fl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: I can't speak for Judy, but I think all Judy is saying is that there is nothing disordered about being sexually attracted to people who have reached sexual maturity. However, there is a major difference between attraction and acting on that attraction. Even though adolescents are sexually mature, they are emotionally immature and vulnerable, so there are age of consent laws to protect them. While I am not arguing against age of consent laws, thought European standards might be more realistic, your argument seems not so solid. If adolescents are sexually mature, they are emotionally immature and vulnerable, so there are age of consent laws to protect them, then why not laws to protect them from sex with peers? Two emotionally immature and vulnerable people engaging in intimate emotional acts is OK, but one emotionally immature and vulnerable person engaged in an engaging in intimate emotional act with a mature person is not? I have met gay men who were precocious minors who pursued men, and I've met men who were pursued by such youth. And, from the sound of their experiences, adult-minor sexual activity is not *necessarily* damaging. But, nevertheless, their does exist between adults and children a power gap, and the children need to be protected against coercion and sexual predation. Age of consent laws are not a perfect solution, but some seem more intelligent than others. For example, there are laws where adult-minor sexual activity is legal when the age difference is no more than a specified number of years. IIRC, the laws in Holland are even more liberal in that regard. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What about texts that require a certain level or state of consciousness to even grok? Sometimes there's more to the text than meets the eye. :-) Indeed. The claim that a book can only be understood by a few might, in fact, mask an attempt by those few to manipulate others. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...
On Feb 27, 2006, at 1:10 PM, TurquoiseB wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What about texts that require a certain level or state of consciousness to even grok? Sometimes there's more to the text than meets the eye. :-) Indeed. The claim that a book can only be "understood" by a few might, in fact, mask an attempt by those "few" to manipulate others. :-) And indeed it does. That's why some texts are sealed by the beings who communicate them. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 27, 2006, at 1:10 PM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: What about texts that require a certain level or state of consciousness to even grok? Sometimes there's more to the text than meets the eye. :-) Indeed. The claim that a book can only be understood by a few might, in fact, mask an attempt by those few to manipulate others. :-) And indeed it does. That's why some texts are sealed by the beings who communicate them. Whatever floats your boat. I'm not saying that such a thing isn't possible. All I'm suggesting is that, given the long, sordid history of spirituality on this rock, it's just as possible that claims of a book's specialness are a way of attracting followers whose greatest desire is to feel special to those who claim to have special knowledge of special books. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, foufou_fl no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: I can't speak for Judy, but I think all Judy is saying is that there is nothing disordered about being sexually attracted to people who have reached sexual maturity. However, there is a major difference between attraction and acting on that attraction. Even though adolescents are sexually mature, they are emotionally immature and vulnerable, so there are age of consent laws to protect them. While I am not arguing against age of consent laws, thought European standards might be more realistic, your argument seems not so solid. If adolescents are sexually mature, they are emotionally immature and vulnerable, so there are age of consent laws to protect them, then why not laws to protect them from sex with peers? Two emotionally immature and vulnerable people engaging in intimate emotional acts is OK, but one emotionally immature and vulnerable person engaged in an engaging in intimate emotional act with a mature person is not? But, nevertheless, their does exist between adults and children a power gap, and the children need to be protected against coercion and sexual predation. Just for the sake of argument -- and logical inferences -- then maybe specific laws against power and coercion in pursuit of sex would be better than crude age criteria. There are currently laws against various forms of coercion: rape and sexual harassment laws. By your example, not all all, possibly not many adults, use power or coercion in sexual relations. Adolescent guys, I would guess, use power, coercion and mind trips to seduce peers a lot more than adult men do. If they do, why should age be a factor in protecting them? Are power and coercion of a 40 yr old over a 25 yr old worse than over a sexually active 17 yr old? Or a 17 year old over a 17 year old? And if power and coercion are not used, is a 40 yr old with 17 yr old any more or less damaging (or fulfilling), than a 17 yr old with another 17yr old? And are 17 yr old women devoid of power? It could be argued (perhaps by neanderthals) that they may hold more power over middle aged men than vice versa. Take American Beauty for example. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...
On Feb 27, 2006, at 1:33 PM, TurquoiseB wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 27, 2006, at 1:10 PM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: What about texts that require a certain level or state of consciousness to even grok? Sometimes there's more to the text than meets the eye. :-) Indeed. The claim that a book can only be "understood" by a few might, in fact, mask an attempt by those "few" to manipulate others. :-) And indeed it does. That's why some texts are sealed by the beings who communicate them. Whatever floats your boat. I'm not saying that such a thing isn't possible. All I'm suggesting is that, given the long, sordid history of spirituality on this rock, it's just as possible that claims of a book's specialness are a way of attracting followers whose greatest desire is to feel "special" to those who claim to have "special" knowledge of "special" books. Yeah, that's a given because it clearly has. One only has to remember the Christian liturgy and bible which was encoded in Latin and dispensed to the unknowing masses. Destroy the Gnosis and we, the priest, will mediate for you. Just keep sending money.It's interesting in Sanskrit literature it is said that it is only in the Kali Yuga, 'when the minds of men began to wane' that writing appeared. Writing is therefore an artifact of the age of darkness. Some traditions do not even consider written texts to be worthy of repetition. Having met a number of yogis who had photographic memory I can understand how this is possible even though epic poets and bards are hard to find these days. Also NOT having photographic memory myself, I can see why writing is important. But while either the oral or written can create exclusive priesthoods, in history it was the written word which allowed for codification, dogma and control--the Aryans "capture" of Dravidian texts in the artificial language of Sanskrit is but one example. The question seems to me is 'which is more capable of producing Gnosis for a given person?' The importance of "ear-whispered tradition" thus remains important--the morphogenetic field of living tradition: only "alive" when it is alive in us. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Other than that we can both be abrasive and both loathe what seems to us to be hypocrisy, no. But her abrasiveness and hatred of hypocrisy aren't why I think she's full of it. you abrasive? come on now! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO sues unrecertified governor
I thought that TMO issues had priority here, sorry... Guess that I was mistaken... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mrfishey2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bmorry2000 bmorry2000@ wrote: From: scozzari tm@ To: Recipient List Suppressed:; Subject: Lawsuit - TMO vs Scozzari Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:16:03 -0500 Mike Scozzari 2241 SW 15 St., Deerfield Beach 33442 561-392-5418 Home RE: Post #89101 Not now Mr. bmorry Ð canÕt you see weÕre busy? There are more urgent issues at hand, like homosexuality and the hermeneutics of Shakespeare. Please do come back though - perhaps when things have settled a bit. -- Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...
In a message dated 2/27/06 10:32:48 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Homosexual acts between two people of homosexualpreference are engaged in for "pleasure" and, often,out of deep emotional feelings of love, just as withheterosexuals.Homosexual acts between two people of *heterosexual*preference are engaged in for many different reasons,including ritualistic performance, stimulating ajaded sexual appetite, and for purposes ofintimidation and humiliation, among others.Now, given a loving, beneficent God, which type of"homosexuality" do you think He would be mostopposed to? Or do you think He would condemn allof them as equally detestable in His sight? Perhaps you should ask Him. Either way, it's still sin and disobedience and either way that sin and disobedience can be forgiven if repented of. Basically you're asking me to judge for God or speak for him. I can't do that. You still haven't shown me any evidence that the men and boys in Sodom tried to have sex with the angels in order to intimidate them into leaving. Yet it is said in the Bible that they wanted to "know" them, a term which is repeatedly used to show intimacy between men and women in the Bible. Somebody wanting to exhibit dominance and control by rape are not concernedwith intimacy. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO sues unrecertified governor
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bmorry2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought that TMO issues had priority here, sorry... Guess that I was mistaken... Uh, bmorry, I'm pretty sure the comment by mrfishey was sarcastic. Apparently he has problems with discussions that aren't about the TMO. I don't know whether TMO issues can be said to have priority here, exactly, but we're certainly interested in them, so don't let the fact that we do dicuss non-TMO issues keep you from posting TMO-related stuff. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mrfishey2001 mrfishey2001@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bmorry2000 bmorry2000@ wrote: From: scozzari tm@ To: Recipient List Suppressed:; Subject: Lawsuit - TMO vs Scozzari Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:16:03 -0500 Mike Scozzari 2241 SW 15 St., Deerfield Beach 33442 561-392-5418 Home RE: Post #89101 Not now Mr. bmorry Ð canÕt you see weÕre busy? There are more urgent issues at hand, like homosexuality and the hermeneutics of Shakespeare. Please do come back though - perhaps when things have settled a bit. -- Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 2/27/06 10:32:48 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Homosexual acts between two people of homosexual preference are engaged in for pleasure and, often, out of deep emotional feelings of love, just as with heterosexuals. Homosexual acts between two people of *heterosexual* preference are engaged in for many different reasons, including ritualistic performance, stimulating a jaded sexual appetite, and for purposes of intimidation and humiliation, among others. Now, given a loving, beneficent God, which type of homosexuality do you think He would be most opposed to? Or do you think He would condemn all of them as equally detestable in His sight? Perhaps you should ask Him. Either way, it's still sin and disobedience and either way that sin and disobedience can be forgiven if repented of. Basically you're asking me to judge for God or speak for him. I can't do that. You can certainly say what you would expect of the God you believe in. If you didn't have some expectations that you think He satisfies, you wouldn't be very likely to believe in Him, would you? You still haven't shown me any evidence that the men and boys in Sodom tried to have sex with the angels in order to intimidate them into leaving. Well, it would be rather difficult to provide you with hard evidence at this juncture. However, as I've noted, there's excellent historical/cultural evidence that anal rape was a means of intimidating and humiliating people; and there's also Ezekiel's complaint about Sodom, which emphasizes its refusal to share its wealth with the poor and needy (in this case, Lot's visitors). There's also the unlikelihood that all the males in the town--including the young ones--suddenly got horny all at once on that particular evening, and instead of satisfying their desires with each other, decided to go after Lot's visitors. In other words, the story doesn't make much sense in your interpretation, whereas it makes perfect sense in mine. Yet it is said in the Bible that they wanted to know them, a term which is repeatedly used to show intimacy between men and women in the Bible. Somebody wanting to exhibit dominance and control by rape are not concerned with intimacy. Certainly not, but such people would be quite capable of using mocking, sneering language, suggesting that the strangers were weak. Remember the social position of women in biblical times. The whole idea of anal rape of one man by another was (and still is) to put the rapee in a position of submission and powerlessness, just as a woman is when a man wants to have his way with her. The men of Sodom would have used that term to suggest that the strangers were as powerless as women. It *emphasizes* the power element in the situation, makes it explicit. Has nothing to do with intimacy per se. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Bush to meet with Shankaracharyas while in India
Bush is going to India and will meet with Spiritual leaders. http://www.rueters.shank.com/2 pge,322.teli.talk.1798.htp To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] the light of Godwhich cannot be stopped or changed by anyone
http://tinyurl.com/pe3wm Maharishi said the basis of Invincible Defense is the Constitution of the Universethe Unified Fieldthe unmanifest, all-powerful field of invincibility in nature, which creates and maintains the infinite diversity of the universe with perfect order. 'With the blessings of the eternal tradition of Vedic masters, we have the technologies to make any nation invincible by enlivening the Constitution of the Universe in individual and collective consciousness. This is Invincible Defense in the light of Total Natural Lawthe light of Godwhich cannot be stopped or changed by anyone,' Maharishi said. Maharishi likened his offer of invincibility for every nation to that of an engineer who has the knowledge to establish an electrical powerhouseand who informs the people that it is no longer necessary to live in the dark. 'The engineer proclaims, 'Take this power line and live in light, today,'' Maharishi said. 'Like that, every nation has been living in utter darkness. But now we are proclaiming loudly to every government, 'Invincible Defense is available for your nation. Take it and enjoy invincibility and absolute freedom on the basis of Total Natural Law.'' Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] SCQM?
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMO sues unrecertified governor
on 2/27/06 3:00 PM, bmorry2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought that TMO issues had priority here, sorry... Guess that I was mistaken... Whatever people want to talk about has priority. Inevitably, we keep coming back to TMO issues. If there's something you want to discuss that isn't being discussed, start a discussion. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO sues unrecertified governor
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ha, ha, ha, yes, I prefer the 'old coke', God help us all! Thank God I got TM when I did!! BillyG. But the new Coke was better. That's what independent tests had shown. People just wanted to buy the old image. Same thing here: You prefer TM the way you were taught, because that's the way you were taught. But its gone. Its gone forever, because it was streamlined for a certain time with a certain purpose. These times are gone, so it had to be stopped. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bush, selling nuclear tech to India while displaying fake spirituality
I think you have the facts mixed up. Bush is going to India to sell them nuclear technology and, secondarily, in his typical public relations LYING actions will place a wreath at Gandhi's memorial and, apparently, visit the Shankaracharya. It is nothing more than his usual deflection from truth. http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=61488 The plan for Bush to honor Gandhi is even more astonishing given one of the main purposes of Bush's trip -- to cement a deal for U.S. nuclear aid to India, which would violate current U.S. non-proliferation law and has drawn criticism from a host of peace, disarmament and non-proliferation groups. The deal will also be a tough sell to a skeptical Congress, which would need to amend U.S. law to create a loophole to give nuclear technology to India because of its nuclear weapons arsenal. Does Bush think Gandhi would bless one of the main purposes of this trip -- to promote nuclear aid to India? asked Martin. Gandhi abhorred nuclear weapons and would surely call for the U.S. and India to pursue the abolition of nuclear weapons. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bush is going to India and will meet with Spiritual leaders. _http://www.rueters.shank.com/2_ (http://www.rueters.shank.com/2) pge,322.teli.talk.1798.htp Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also NOT having photographic memory myself, I can see why writing is important. I always thought that photographic memory was useful only with written texts. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IMO *none* of them was either written by God or inspired by God. What a revolutionary claim made by a man not believing in God anyway. How could he have inspired a book if he doesn't exist? (in your book) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I seem to remember that in Hebrews 16:4 the punishment for being uptight about *anything* related to sex was to reincarnate in a place and time where people argue endlessly about such things on something the prophets called the Intern-aught or a term similar to that one. The image was of being interned up to one's aught (this word has been suggested by Biblical scholars to mean ears) in shit. This fate was generally considered to be worse than going to Hell. In Hell at least there was variety, and *occasionally a sense of humor* But only for the cigarette-break ;-) The funny thing about it is, that they aren't even forced to be there; they just act under the compulsion 'as if' they were forced to be there. In reality they are free to leave the place for a better one any time. :-) :-) :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO sues unrecertified governor
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 no_reply@ wrote: Ha, ha, ha, yes, I prefer the 'old coke', God help us all! Thank God I got TM when I did!! BillyG. But the new Coke was better. That's what independent tests had shown. People just wanted to buy the old image. Same thing here: You prefer TM the way you were taught, because that's the way you were taught. But its gone. Its gone forever, because it was streamlined for a certain time with a certain purpose. These times are gone, so it had to be stopped. And before long it will *ALL* be gone...(it's already a joke)! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO sues unrecertified governor
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 no_reply@ wrote: Ha, ha, ha, yes, I prefer the 'old coke', God help us all! Thank God I got TM when I did!! BillyG. But the new Coke was better. That's what independent tests had shown. What I remember about the new Coke is that it was sweeter and had less bite. I.e., it sucked. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: the light of Godwhich cannot be stopped or changed by anyone
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://tinyurl.com/pe3wm Maharishi said the basis of Invincible Defense is the Constitution of the Universethe Unified Fieldthe unmanifest, all-powerful field of invincibility in nature, which creates and maintains the infinite diversity of the universe with perfect order. 'With the blessings of the eternal tradition of Vedic masters, we have the technologies to make any nation invincible by enlivening the Constitution of the Universe in individual and collective consciousness. This is Invincible Defense in the light of Total Natural Lawthe light of Godwhich cannot be stopped or changed by anyone,' Maharishi said. Maharishi likened his offer of invincibility for every nation to that of an engineer who has the knowledge to establish an electrical powerhouseand who informs the people that it is no longer necessary to live in the dark. 'The engineer proclaims, 'Take this power line and live in light, today,'' Maharishi said. 'Like that, every nation has been living in utter darkness. But now we are proclaiming loudly to every government, 'Invincible Defense is available for your nation. Take it and enjoy invincibility and absolute freedom on the basis of Total Natural Law.'' I seriously doubt the ME effect is possible in such small numbers, especially since most of those doing the program couldn't levitate a feather, much less command almighty nature! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...
In a message dated 2/27/06 3:25:09 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, it would be rather difficult to provide youwith hard evidence at this juncture. However, asI've noted, there's excellent historical/culturalevidence that anal rape was a means of intimidatingand humiliating people; and there's also Ezekiel'scomplaint about Sodom, which emphasizes its refusalto share its wealth with the poor and needy (inthis case, Lot's visitors).There's also the unlikelihood that all the males inthe town--including the young ones--suddenly gothorny all at once on that particular evening, andinstead of satisfying their desires with each other,decided to go after Lot's visitors.In other words, the story doesn't make much sense inyour interpretation, whereas it makes perfect sensein mine. Actually I think my interpretation makes much more since. Lot's guests made no demand for charity from anybody in the city. As a matter of fact Lot met them at the gate to the city and invited them to stay in his house for the evening. Why would anybody object to that? On the other hand, can you imagine if two gorgeous angels walked into the Castro district of San Francisco and a bunch of gay biker types saw them and followed them to the house they went in. Do you think they would hang aroundto run them out of town or be inhopes of getting a *date*? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMO sues unrecertified governor
In a message dated 2/27/06 6:16:39 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What I remember about the new Coke is that it was sweeter and had lessbite. I.e., it sucked. It tasted like Pepsi to me To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness...
That is the most realistic estimate any TM'er (Charlie Lutes) ever gave to how long it would take to *start* functioning from the *home* of all the laws of nature!! Even MMY himself said it would take a million years to reach CC (at Fuiggi) unless you go to courses. To suggest a few thousand *rice converts* could be recruited, given a mantra and some good thoughts to think along with it, could create world peace is wishful thinking to say the least! Very few TM'ers have even *fully* transended *once* much less even function from that subtle level. When I mean transcend, I mean transcend...TO SAMADHI! (Look it up in the book) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness...
On Feb 27, 2006, at 7:41 PM, wmurphy77 wrote:That is the most realistic estimate any TM'er (Charlie Lutes) ever gave to how long it would take to *start* functioning from the *home* of all the laws of nature!! Even MMY himself said it would take a million years to reach CC (at Fuiggi) unless you go to courses. To suggest a few thousand *rice converts* could be recruited, given a mantra and some good thoughts to think along with it, could create world peace is wishful thinking to say the least! Very few TM'ers have even *fully* transended *once* much less even function from that subtle level. When I mean transcend, I mean transcend...TO SAMADHI! (Look it up in the book) The true definition of "Cosmic Consciousness" is samadhi 24/7/365 -- so what does that tell you about their promises about enlightenment?I like the way Vimalananda figured it out: if someone is in samadhi there are ways to tell. John Hagelin or Bevan Morris (or actually Brigante might be the right man for this job) if you are listening, try the following on Mahesh Varma next time you are in close proximity while he is meditating or doing a sankalpa, etc. Consider it part of a science experiment to see if people can really place their consciousness in the Unified Field of all the laws of nature. This could also be performed on others claiming Cosmic Consciousness or higher:The Aghori Vimalananda, spiritual mentor of Robert Svoboda was well learned in the ways of karma and also very passionate about testing and uncovering the falsity of saints and teachers who overestimated their own spiritual stature. Robert Svoboda reports, "Almost without exception, every time he ran across somebody who he thought was too big for his spiritual britches, he regarded it as being his responsibility to ensure that they came down towards earth, if not all the way down to the ground." The following story was told by Vimalananda to Robert Svoboda about how he "tested" an Indian spiritual teacher named Taat Maharaj."I was hard on Taat Maharaj ... One of my friends brought me to Taat Maharaj by telling me he could sit in samadhi for hours at a time while his followers sang and chanted. I didn't believe it, so I went to have his darshana (the viewing of a saint or deity). Sure enough, I could see that he was merely closing his eyes and fooling everyone. On top of that I was supposed to bow down to him! While I waited there I examined the room carefully and came up with a plan. Back at home I sharpened the point of a long iron nail until it was razor sharp. A few days later I returned to Taat Maharaj and got into the line to touch his lotus feet. When I got to the head of the line I bent down, raised the nail high above my head, and jabbed it into his foot. My God! What a howl came from that charlatan! His bellowings even drowned out the warbles of his singers."Wouldn't most people have responded to a nail in the foot even if they were in samadhi?"No, not if the samadhi is genuine. A person who is in samadhi has no knowledge whatsoever of the outside world so long as he remains in samadhi. If Taat Maharaj had actually been in samadhi he would have felt nothing from that nail, not even a pinprick. But he was just pretending, so he felt it all. Everyone was so stunned that I had time to rush out the door to where an accomplice was waiting in the getaway car, and off we sped. I don't like to think about what might have happened to me had I been caught!"'" To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 2/27/06 3:25:09 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, it would be rather difficult to provide you with hard evidence at this juncture. However, as I've noted, there's excellent historical/cultural evidence that anal rape was a means of intimidating and humiliating people; and there's also Ezekiel's complaint about Sodom, which emphasizes its refusal to share its wealth with the poor and needy (in this case, Lot's visitors). There's also the unlikelihood that all the males in the town--including the young ones--suddenly got horny all at once on that particular evening, and instead of satisfying their desires with each other, decided to go after Lot's visitors. In other words, the story doesn't make much sense in your interpretation, whereas it makes perfect sense in mine. Actually I think my interpretation makes much more since. Lot's guests made no demand for charity from anybody in the city. As a matter of fact Lot met them at the gate to the city and invited them to stay in his house for the evening. Why would anybody object to that? The people of Sodom were unfriendly to outsiders, not willing to share, not wanting anybody to get any ideas about sponging off them. They obviously were not pleased that Lot had invited them to stay with him. They were mean, nasty, selfish people. On the other hand, can you imagine if two gorgeous angels walked into the Castro district of San Francisco and a bunch of gay biker types saw them and followed them to the house they went in. Do you think they would hang around to run them out of town or be in hopes of getting a *date*? You're truly hopeless. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO sues unrecertified governor
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bmorry2000 bmorry2000@ wrote: I thought that TMO issues had priority here, sorry... Guess that I was mistaken... Uh, bmorry, I'm pretty sure the comment by mrfishey was sarcastic. Apparently he has problems with discussions that aren't about the TMO. I don't know whether TMO issues can be said to have priority here, exactly, but we're certainly interested in them, so don't let the fact that we do dicuss non-TMO issues keep you from posting TMO-related stuff. - Sorry! Thought IÕd included enough clever remarks Ð playfully steering the post away from sarcasm. The intention was to be somewhat facetious. No, no difficulty with non-TMO discussions. Carry on. --- Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 27, 2006, at 7:41 PM, wmurphy77 wrote: That is the most realistic estimate any TM'er (Charlie Lutes) ever gave to how long it would take to *start* functioning from the *home* of all the laws of nature!! Even MMY himself said it would take a million years to reach CC (at Fuiggi) unless you go to courses. To suggest a few thousand *rice converts* could be recruited, given a mantra and some good thoughts to think along with it, could create world peace is wishful thinking to say the least! Very few TM'ers have even *fully* transended *once* much less even function from that subtle level. When I mean transcend, I mean transcend...TO SAMADHI! (Look it up in the book) The true definition of Cosmic Consciousness is samadhi 24/7/365 -- so what does that tell you about their promises about enlightenment? I like the way Vimalananda figured it out: if someone is in samadhi there are ways to tell. John Hagelin or Bevan Morris (or actually Brigante might be the right man for this job) if you are listening, try the following on Mahesh Varma next time you are in close proximity while he is meditating or doing a sankalpa, etc. Consider it part of a science experiment to see if people can really place their consciousness in the Unified Field of all the laws of nature. This could also be performed on others claiming Cosmic Consciousness or higher: The Aghori Vimalananda, spiritual mentor of Robert Svoboda was well learned in the ways of karma and also very passionate about testing and uncovering the falsity of saints and teachers who overestimated their own spiritual stature. Robert Svoboda reports, Almost without exception, every time he ran across somebody who he thought was too big for his spiritual britches, he regarded it as being his responsibility to ensure that they came down towards earth, if not all the way down to the ground. The following story was told by Vimalananda to Robert Svoboda about how he tested an Indian spiritual teacher named Taat Maharaj. I was hard on Taat Maharaj ... One of my friends brought me to Taat Maharaj by telling me he could sit in samadhi for hours at a time while his followers sang and chanted. I didn't believe it, so I went to have his darshana (the viewing of a saint or deity). Sure enough, I could see that he was merely closing his eyes and fooling everyone. On top of that I was supposed to bow down to him! While I waited there I examined the room carefully and came up with a plan. Back at home I sharpened the point of a long iron nail until it was razor sharp. A few days later I returned to Taat Maharaj and got into the line to touch his lotus feet. When I got to the head of the line I bent down, raised the nail high above my head, and jabbed it into his foot. My God! What a howl came from that charlatan! His bellowings even drowned out the warbles of his singers. Wouldn't most people have responded to a nail in the foot even if they were in samadhi? No, not if the samadhi is genuine. A person who is in samadhi has no knowledge whatsoever of the outside world so long as he remains in samadhi. If Taat Maharaj had actually been in samadhi he would have felt nothing from that nail, not even a pinprick. But he was just pretending, so he felt it all. Everyone was so stunned that I had time to rush out the door to where an accomplice was waiting in the getaway car, and off we sped. I don't like to think about what might have happened to me had I been caught!' That's good and I hope BBrigante responds, however, a Yogi in CC to the level of Brahman would have inner and outer fullness (purnamadah puramidam) and would have been able to choose which way to react, either to stop him OR to let the nail go in and show NO pain. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That is the most realistic estimate any TM'er (Charlie Lutes) ever gave to how long it would take to *start* functioning from the *home* of all the laws of nature!! Even MMY himself said it would take a million years to reach CC (at Fuiggi) unless you go to courses. To suggest a few thousand *rice converts* could be recruited, given a mantra and some good thoughts to think along with it, could create world peace is wishful thinking to say the least! Very few TM'ers have even *fully* transended *once* much less even function from that subtle level. When I mean transcend, I mean transcend...TO SAMADHI! (Look it up in the book) What's your starting point? Perhaps, and congratulations if so, this is your millionth incarnation...or your seventh... Which illusion are you accepting as reality in order to decide how many human incarnations you have had? Even the age of the Earth is based purely on hypothesis, measured by the supposedly linear decay of certain elements. So, why not your millionth incarnation? Perhaps, just as God can easily arrange the petals perfectly on a rose, a few thousand 'rice converts' are in just the right place at just the right time, for this fantastic idea of world peace to work... Once we truly know what the world is, and how we go about creating it moment by moment, and we truly know what peace is, and how we go about creating it also, world peace is as easy to achieve as making a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. got milk? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: What about texts that require a certain level or state of consciousness to even grok? Sometimes there's more to the text than meets the eye. :-) Indeed. The claim that a book can only be understood by a few might, in fact, mask an attempt by those few to manipulate others. :-) +++ Seems to be some similarity in, You are not enlightened -we will enlighten you. You are all sinners, - we will save you. You are in danger from terrorists - we will protect you. The first two say send money whereas the last says pay your taxes or else. It looks like all have the common denominator of we know what is best for you and, if you stop thinking (which is recommended) it is all for the best. N. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Dr. Laura, Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and I try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate. I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the specific laws and how to follow them Rick, I had never seen this before. I loved it! lurk Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO sues unrecertified governor
I think you ought to move on and stop wasting your energy on the TMO just call it something else and do your own thing. I heard that all the meditators are going to the Rothenbergs so dont fight them they wont last and will be gone as soon as Stuarts aging mom passes or another project comes up just wait and do your own thing and dont waste your energy or financial resources to fight them they wont last there and the locals will come back to you It is sad and they should be ashamed of themselves the Rothenbergs just do their thing and leave you alone. I ofcourse would not disconnect my phone so you may have to fight them on small fronts but dont bother otherwise as they will leave town before you can blink your eye. they cant teach much it is too coslty and the whole peace palace thing is a joke so they wont last long hand in there and stop wasting your energy on them From: scozzari [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Recipient List Suppressed:; Subject: Lawsuit - TMO vs Scozzari Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:16:03 -0500 Mike Scozzari 2241 SW 15 St., Deerfield Beach 33442 561-392-5418 Home As many have heard, I have been asked to cease and desist teaching TM by the TMO attorneys in Iowa. Their demands include that I destroy all teaching materials and that I no longer use their registered service marks for TM and Transcendental Meditation. With the new project for teachers to re-certify and teach, teachers who, like me, were made teachers for life by Maharishi, were all told we must no longer consider ourselves teachers. The re-certification course as you may have heard was $2K and $4 depending on how many people you have taught in the past 2 years for $2500 each student. Once completed, re-certified teachers were required to teach full time, meditate 7 hours per day, open up 5 spas, raise 1.5 million for a peace palace, go to Holland for a month and become a raja after which you would be required to wear robes and a crown and have others bow to you. Teachers were required to teach according to gender, males teach males, women teach women and all in a building with an east entrance (TMO websites detail the entire thing). Teachers were promised salaries of $2000 per month if nobody takes TM and $4000 a month if you teach 2. Three months after it's start all salaries were discontinued and teachers who quit their jobs had to find work once again. ++see Chandler letter below It's nonsense. Teachers like myself have not done anything wrong. Most on my list know I have continued to provide basic and advanced instruction and have maintained the traditional teaching. Every teacher knows what it's like to try and make a living teaching. I will never charge anyone $2500 - never! I would need cold water running through my veins! It's wrong and people don't deserve it. It makes perfect sense to me having taught over 4000 people, that teachers should be able to keep all the money for instruction encouraging students to then take TMO sponsored follow-ups like the TM- Sidhis and advanced techniques. This way everyone wins. Teachers need to make a living. When did the policymakers forget that? The fees today are 6 times what they were in 1993. I have invested a small fortune to keep teaching in the area since 1989. My Bell South bill is $150 per month. Recently my Bell South rep called to say he received a call from Joan Rothenberg who accused me of violating the TM trademark, that I was not legally allowed to do so and that she and her husband Stuart were the new teachers in Boca Raton. This quote appeared in my January 06 newsletter: Still the Same Maharishi has done something that his predecessors did not do. He provided a technique and a knowledge program while maintaining the ancient traditions. With all the research available, TM is still the best technique for relieving stress and developing inner potential. The packaging and marketing changes over time but the essential message remains the same: meditate and enjoy. When Coca Cola introduced New Coke, the public was split on what they preferred, new or old Coke. Old Coke was introduced as Classic Coke and remains the same today. Transcendental Meditation can be offered to the general population or the wealthy, no harm. But the essential teaching is here to stay. Keeping this teaching alive worldwide is the goal of all the teachers. Competition is good and if it leads to more people learning, no harm. As stated previously, our office teaches TM at reasonable rates. It's available for everyone. Please keep us in mind and know that we are here to stay. We hope you can join us for programs that enrich and refresh, inspire and expand. Take advantage of your membership and keep the teaching alive by meditating twice a day and radiating the benefits in your life. Mike
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: Judy, your analysis is, of course, dead on accurate. But, I can't help but think you take Barry far more seriously than he takes himself. I always assume he's just joking around when he posts bullshit just to get a rise out of people. In fact, he has explicitly said that that is why he posts responses to Judy: merely to push her buttons and then sit back and laugh at her. Yup. Of course, WHY he wants to push such buttons is beyond me... I've explicitly said that as well. It's a form of spiritual shorthand. I could go on an on about the mindset of the TM True Believer, or I could simply push the buttons of someone who has a proven history of being incapable of *not* reacting in TB fashion when someone pushes her buttons, and then just sit back and allow her to *demonstrate* the mindset I wanted exposed. ANd everyone on this forum appreciates your efforts, no doubt. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 27, 2006, at 7:41 PM, wmurphy77 wrote: That is the most realistic estimate any TM'er (Charlie Lutes) ever gave to how long it would take to *start* functioning from the *home* of all the laws of nature!! Even MMY himself said it would take a million years to reach CC (at Fuiggi) unless you go to courses. To suggest a few thousand *rice converts* could be recruited, given a mantra and some good thoughts to think along with it, could create world peace is wishful thinking to say the least! Very few TM'ers have even *fully* transended *once* much less even function from that subtle level. When I mean transcend, I mean transcend...TO SAMADHI! (Look it up in the book) The true definition of Cosmic Consciousness is samadhi 24/7/365 -- so what does that tell you about their promises about enlightenment? I like the way Vimalananda figured it out: if someone is in samadhi there are ways to tell. John Hagelin or Bevan Morris (or actually Brigante might be the right man for this job) if you are listening, try the following on Mahesh Varma next time you are in close proximity while he is meditating or doing a sankalpa, etc. Consider it part of a science experiment to see if people can really place their consciousness in the Unified Field of all the laws of nature. This could also be performed on others claiming Cosmic Consciousness or higher: The Aghori Vimalananda, spiritual mentor of Robert Svoboda was well learned in the ways of karma and also very passionate about testing and uncovering the falsity of saints and teachers who overestimated their own spiritual stature. Robert Svoboda reports, Almost without exception, every time he ran across somebody who he thought was too big for his spiritual britches, he regarded it as being his responsibility to ensure that they came down towards earth, if not all the way down to the ground. The following story was told by Vimalananda to Robert Svoboda about how he tested an Indian spiritual teacher named Taat Maharaj. I was hard on Taat Maharaj ... One of my friends brought me to Taat Maharaj by telling me he could sit in samadhi for hours at a time while his followers sang and chanted. I didn't believe it, so I went to have his darshana (the viewing of a saint or deity). Sure enough, I could see that he was merely closing his eyes and fooling everyone. On top of that I was supposed to bow down to him! While I waited there I examined the room carefully and came up with a plan. Back at home I sharpened the point of a long iron nail until it was razor sharp. A few days later I returned to Taat Maharaj and got into the line to touch his lotus feet. When I got to the head of the line I bent down, raised the nail high above my head, and jabbed it into his foot. My God! What a howl came from that charlatan! His bellowings even drowned out the warbles of his singers. Wouldn't most people have responded to a nail in the foot even if they were in samadhi? No, not if the samadhi is genuine. A person who is in samadhi has no knowledge whatsoever of the outside world so long as he remains in samadhi. If Taat Maharaj had actually been in samadhi he would have felt nothing from that nail, not even a pinprick. But he was just pretending, so he felt it all. Everyone was so stunned that I had time to rush out the door to where an accomplice was waiting in the getaway car, and off we sped. I don't like to think about what might have happened to me had I been caught!' So what does HIndu tradition say about Shankara's response to being chased by a tiger? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: Judy, your analysis is, of course, dead on accurate. But, I can't help but think you take Barry far more seriously than he takes himself. I always assume he's just joking around when he posts bullshit just to get a rise out of people. In fact, he has explicitly said that that is why he posts responses to Judy: merely to push her buttons and then sit back and laugh at her. Yup. Of course, WHY he wants to push such buttons is beyond me... I've explicitly said that as well. It's a form of spiritual shorthand. I could go on an on about the mindset of the TM True Believer, or I could simply push the buttons of someone who has a proven history of being incapable of *not* reacting in TB fashion when someone pushes her buttons, and then just sit back and allow her to *demonstrate* the mindset I wanted exposed. ANd everyone on this forum appreciates your efforts, no doubt. For sharing his fantasy world with us. It's really quite amazing, given his alleged Buddhist leanings. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The true definition of Cosmic Consciousness is samadhi 24/7/365 -- so what does that tell you about their promises about enlightenment? That they were overly optimistic. duh Remember that this hadn't been *done* before. How could they know for sure? MMY shouldn't have made such a prediction for that reason, but it was his best guess at the time. You know, of course, that your true definition of Cosmic Consciousness is the same as MMY's. Except that you define samadhi differently than he does. He doesn't mean the kind of samadhi where you sit insensible and useless with your eyes closed. He means samadhi *along with waking consciousness*, 24/7/365 samadhi in activity (and sleep and dreaming consciousness), the *integration* of samadhi with the three lesser states. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
