[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Ice Storm Disrupts Dome Attendance/Market Plunges'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel babajii_99@ wrote: Does anyone else feel there may be a correspondence?. Absolutely. Having worked on Wall Street, shoulder to shoulder with the people who run it, I can vouch for the self importance they attach to their lives, and their belief that the world pretty much revolves around *them*. Therefore, there is a *distinct* correspondence between those with similar beliefs in Fairfield, Iowa. Well in that case, we could include what happened when V.P.Cheney goes to Afghanastan and get's bombed, and also, two head guy's in Iraq almost get killed, I could go on with examples, but self-importance is always a human trait, I guess...everyone wants to rule the world.. Anyway, I just felt I could make some correlation with a generalized sense of chaos, while the coherent effect lessened? Don't know if you can relate one to the other, unless you think in Quatum mechanic type terms; So, to debate which came first the chicken or the egg, Proves to be an endless debate- a type of restricted infinity, of self- importance or the sense that one 'Has to be right'. r.g.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Ice Storm Disrupts Dome Attendance/Market Plunges'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert Gimbel wrote: Does anyone else feel there may be a correspondence?. - Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. ROTFL! No! Thanks for the open-mindedness... Thanks for the benefit of the doubt... Thanks for the fill in the blank_
[FairfieldLife] Root /dhaa/
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From Michael Coulson's Sanskrit Primer:
Roots [and verb classes]
Descriptions of Sanskrit verbs are based upon
the verbal root (Sanskrit: dhaatu, 'element').
Just as in English we might analyse the forms
'bear, bearing, borne, burden' as having
a common element 'b-r', so the Indian grammarians
described the forms /bharati, babhaara, bhriyate,
bhRta/ as being derived from the verbal root
/bhR/. The verbal roots are not words in their
own right but convenient grammatical fictions.
dhA 1 cl. 3. P. A1. %{da4dhAti} , %{dhatte4} RV. c. c. (P. du.
%{dadhva4s} , %{dhattha4s} , %{dhatta4s} [Pa1n2. 8-2 , 38] ; pl.
%{dadhma4si} or %{-ma4s} , %{dhattha4} , %{dAdhati} ; impf.
%{a4dadhAt} pl. %{-dhur} , 2. pl. %{a4dhatta} or %{a4dadhAta} RV. vii
, 33 , 4 ; Subj. %{da4dhat} or %{-dhAt} [Pa1n2. 7-3 , 70 Ka1s3.] ,
%{-dhas} , %{-dhatas} , %{-dhan} ; Pot. %{dadhyA4t} ; Impv. %{dAdhAtu}
pl. %{-dhatu} ; 2. sg. %{dhehi4} [fr. %{dhaddhi} ; cf. Pa1n2. 6-4 ,
119] or %{dhattAt} RV. iii , 8 , 1 ; 2. pl. %{dhatta4} , i , 64 , 15 ,
%{dhattana} , i , 20 , 7 , %{da4dhAta} , vii , 32 , 13 , or %{-tana} ,
x , 36 , 13 [cf. Pa1n2. 7-1 , 45 Sch.] ; p. %{da4dhat} , %{-ti} m. pl.
%{-tas} ; A1. 1. sg. %{dadhe4} [at once 3. sg. = %{dhatte4} RV. i ,
149 , 5 c. and= pf.A1.] , 2. sg. %{dha4tse} , viii , 85 , 5 or
%{dhatse4} AV. v , 7 , 2 ; 2. 3. du. %{dadhA4the} , %{-dhA4te} ; 2.
pl. %{-dhidhve4} [cf. pf.] ; 3. pl. %{da4dhate} RV. v , 41 , 2 ; impf.
%{a4dhatta} , %{-tthAs} ; Subj. %{da4dhase} , viii , 32 , 6 [Pa1n2.
3-4 , 96 Ka1s3.] ; Pot. %{da4dhIta} RV. i , 40 , 2 or %{dadhIta4} , v
, 66 , 1 ; Impv. 2. sg. %{dhatsva} , x , 87 , 2 or %{dadhiSva} , iii ,
40 , 5 c. ; 2. pl. %{dhaddhvam} [Pa1n2. 8-2 , 38 Ka1s3.] or
%{dadhidhvam} RV. vii , 34 , 10 , c. ; 3. pl. %{dadhatAm} AV. viii ,
8 , 3 ; p. %{da4dhAna}) ; rarely cl. 1. P. A1. %{dadhati} , %{-te} RV.
MBh. ; only thrice cl. 2. P. %{dhA4ti} RV. ; and once cl. 4. A1. Pot.
%{dhAyeta} MaitrUp. (pf.P. %{dadhau4} , %{-dhA4tha} , %{-dhatur} ,
%{-dhimA84} , %{-dhur} RV. c. ; A1. %{dadhe4} [cf. pr.] , %{dadhiSe4}
or %{dhiSe} RV. i , 56 , 6 ; 2. 3. du. %{dadhA4the} , %{-dhA4te} , 2.
pl. %{dadhidhve4} [cf. pr.] ; 3. pl. %{dadhire4} , %{dadhre} , x , 82
, 5 ; 6 , or %{dhire} , i , 166 , 10 c. ; p. %{da4dhAna} [cf. pr.] ;
aor. P. %{a4dhAt} , %{dhA4t} , %{dhA4s} ; %{adhu4r} , %{dhu4r} RV. c.
; Pot. %{dheyAm} , %{-yur} ; %{dhetana} RV. TBr. ; 2. sg. %{dhAyIs}
RV. i , 147 , 5 ; Impv. %{dhA4tu} [cf. Pa1n2. 6-i , 8 Va1rtt. 3 Pat.]
; 2. pl. %{dhA4ta} or %{-tana} , 3. pl. %{dhAntu} RV. ; A1. %{adhita}
, %{-thAs} , %{adhItAm} , %{adhImahi} , %{dhImahi} , %{dhimahe} ,
%{dhAmahe} RV. ; 3. sg. %{ahita} , %{hita} AV. TA1r. ;
Subj. %{dhe4the} RV. i , 158 , 2 , %{dhaithe} , vi , 67 , 7 ; Impv.
%{dhiSvA84} , ii , 11 , 18 , c. ; P. %{adhat} SV. ; %{dhat} RV. ; P.
%{dhAsur} Subj. %{-sathas} and %{-satha} RV. ; A1. %{adhiSi} ,
%{-Sata} Br. ; Pot. %{dhiSIya} ib. [P. vii , 4 , 45] ; %{dheSIya}
MaitrS. ; fut. %{dhAsyati} , %{-te} or %{dhAtA} Br. c. ; inf.
%{dhA4tum} Br. c. ; Ved. also %{-tave} , %{-tavai4} , %{-tos} ;
%{dhiya4dhyai} RV. ; Class. also %{-dhitum} ;
ind. P. %{dhitvA4} Br. ; %{hitvA} [Pa1n2. 7-4 , 42] , %{-dhA4ya} and
%{-dhA4m} AV.: Pass. %{dhIya4te} RV. c. [Pa1n2. 6-4 , 66] , p.
%{dhIya4mAna} RV. i , 155 , 2 [513,3] ; aor. %{a4dhAyi} , %{dhA4yi}
RV. [Pa1n2. 7-3 , 33 Ka1s3.] ; Prec. %{dhAsISTa} or %{dhAyiSISTa} [vi
, 4 , 62]) to put , place , set , lay in or on (loc.) RV. c. c.
(with %{daNDam} , to inflict punishment on [with loc. MBh. v , 1075 ,
with gen. R. v , 28 , 7] ; with [EMAIL PROTECTED] , to put one's
foot in another's footstep i.e. imitate , equal Ka1vya7d. ii. 64) ; to
take or bring or help to (loc. or dat. ; with %{Are4} , to remove) RV.
AV. S3Br. ; (A1.) to direct or fix the mind or attention (%{cintAm} ,
%{manas} , %{matim} , %{samAdhim} c.) upon , think of (loc. or dat.)
, fix or resolve upon (loc. dat. acc. with %{prati} or a sentence
closed with %{iti}) RV. Mn. MBh. Ka1v. BhP. ; to destine for , bestow
on , present or impart to (loc. dat. or gen.) RV. Br. MBh. c. (Pass.
to be given or granted , fall to one's [dat.] lot or share RV. i , 81
, 3) ; to appoint , establish , constitute RV. S3Br. ; to render (with
double acc.) RV. vii , 31 , 12 Bhartr2. iii. 82 ; to make , produce ,
generate , create , cause , effect , perform , execute RV. TBr.
S3vetUp. c. (aor. with %{pUrayAm} , %{mantrayAm} , %{varayAm} c. =
%{pUrayAm} c. %{cakAra}) ; to seize , take hold of , hold , bear ,
support , wear , put on (clothes) RV. AV. Ka1v. BhP. c. ; (A1.) to
accept , obtain , conceive (esp. in the womb) , get , take (with
%{o4kas} or %{ca4nas} , to take pleasure or delight in [loc. or dat.])
RV. AV. Br. ; to assume , have , possess , show , exhibit , incur ,
undergo RV. Hariv. Ka1v. Hit.etc.: Caus. %{-dhApayati} Pa1n2. 7-3 , 36
(see %{antar-dhA} , %{zrad-dhA} c.): Desid. %{dhi4tsati} , %{-te}
(Pa1n2. 7-4 , 54) , to wish to
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Ice Storm Disrupts Dome Attendance/Market Plunges'
Robert Gimbel wrote: Does anyone else feel there may be a correspondence?. hmm, i think the ME (Maharishi Effect) is being tested. if you look at the claims the TMO made, at the start of this Invincible America course, they loudly shouted 2 things: 1) that the greater coherence make the stock market go up; 2) the same coherent force kept away all the hurricanes that were normally expected for that summer. so, following their logic, there should be a cause and effect relationship, between the sudden drop in dome numbers over the weekend, and the sudden drop in stock markets today. but what i dont get is, why the major ice storm (some folks were saying, the worst one in decades)? why didnt the maximized coherence, adding to itself over many months now, plus the pandit factor of yagyas or whatever it is they do thats extra: why didnt that drive away the ice storms, by the same logic that it drove away the hurricanes last summer. my faith in ME was somewhat restored, but now it is lower again!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Just for the record - Paul Mason is not anti-TM or anti-MMY
What a nice post Marek, thanks! :-)))-rishi/devata/chhandas smile On Feb 27, 2007, at 7:45 PM, Marek Reavis wrote: Comment below: **end** Though Paul certainly has no need for outside support, I feel compelled to respond to this thread and offer mine. What is so disappointing in following this particular thread is that, despite Paul's attempt to clarify his position re Maharishi (at least 2 or 3 times within this thread), he is (not surprisingly) unable to extricate himself from mindsets already firmly set in their own concrete. Although I do not share some of Paul's opinions re Maharishi, I can understand why he might hold them. Maharishi has acted in such a way that his motivations and actions can be (and have been) viewed with suspicion and subject to criticism, even if they may have been misunderstood. Maharishi has been an intensely public figure with a very public personna that many people have found to be at odds with some other aspects of his personality. Paul's criticisms of Maharishi are grounded in what Maharishi has done and not done. In my global opinion of Maharishi, his contributions far exceed his failures, whether they be real or imagined, personal or institutional. The fact that someone, and particularly someone like Paul who has done so much hands on research on the subject, could come to a different conclusion is entirely reasonable. My own exposure to Paul has convinced me that he is an honorable, well-intentioned man who is trying to convey the truth as he understands it to be. If, in that pursuit, he attempts to clarify his position or rectify any of his conclusions then why not just accept that at face value? However, this is not an attempt to change other's opinions of Paul. Those who are chronically critical of him will continue along that path. That, too, is a way to be, though it would seem a rather bleak and bitter psychology to have to shoulder. My intention in writing this was merely to offer my support of Paul's good intentions and to vouchsafe, to the degree I know him, of his good character. I am deeply grateful to Paul for his contributions re Guru Dev and Maharishi and appreciate his scholarship. Marek
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lunar Eclipse March 3rd
m2smart4u2000 wrote: What is the affect jyotish wise? isn't it occurring in mercury? I thought it was a good time to have a yagya Lunar eclipses occur on the full moon (purnima) and are of three types: total, partial and penumbral. A Total Lunar Eclipse is when the Moon entirely passes through the earth's dark shadow or umbra, which means shaded area. (Our word umbrella comes from the latin root, umbra). 35% or so are Total eclipses, which are the most dramatic and intense from an astrological point of view. Why isn't there a lunar eclipses every month on the full Moon? This is because the Moon's orbit around the earth is at a 5 degree tilt relative to the Earth's orbit around the Sun. Only 2-4 times per year is the Moon's orbit within the plane of the Earth's orbit. The points where the Moon's orbit and the Earth's orbit cross one another are the eclipse points known as Rahu and Ketu, the North and South nodes of the Moon. Because the nodes of the Moon are so mysterious and unusual in nature their influences cause abnormal functioning to whatever planet they aspect. During the eclipse the nodes of the Moon are aspecting both of the personal planets, the Sun and Moon and are cutting off their normal functioning. They create an opening in our psyches for subtle energies to enter, either positively or negatively. It's therefore best to do spiritual practices during eclipses and not anything of significance in the material world like having a surgery, or signing an important document. Eclipses are excellent times for meditation, chanting mantras, or other spiritual practices. It's recommended to fast and take advantage of the subtle influences of the eclipse time. source: http://www.lightonvedicastrology.com/dailyjyotish-031406.htm --
Re: [FairfieldLife] Lunar Eclipse March 3rd
If you're initiated into certain practices (e.g. certain forms of Tara, etc.) their influence is magnified many times. It's fun taking your mala outside and practicing while you watch--esp. with a group of friends. Even if you don't believe there's anything to it, it's expanding to participate in cosmic events. On Feb 28, 2007, at 2:06 AM, m2smart4u2000 wrote: What is the affect jyotish wise? isn't it occurring in mercury? I thought it was a good time to have a yagya???
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Ice Storm Disrupts Dome Attendance/Market Plunges'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, george_deforest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert Gimbel wrote: Does anyone else feel there may be a correspondence?. hmm, i think the ME (Maharishi Effect) is being tested. if you look at the claims the TMO made, at the start of this Invincible America course, they loudly shouted 2 things: 1) that the greater coherence make the stock market go up; 2) the same coherent force kept away all the hurricanes that were normally expected for that summer. so, following their logic, there should be a cause and effect relationship, between the sudden drop in dome numbers over the weekend, and the sudden drop in stock markets today. but what i dont get is, why the major ice storm (some folks were saying, the worst one in decades)? why didnt the maximized coherence, adding to itself over many months now, plus the pandit factor of yagyas or whatever it is they do thats extra: why didnt that drive away the ice storms, by the same logic that it drove away the hurricanes last summer. my faith in ME was somewhat restored, but now it is lower again! Well, tamo-guNa is necessary every now and then for sato-guNa to proceed, or stuff? Without some friction for instance my favourite sport, skating, would be impossible, would it not? :D
[FairfieldLife] Re: Poor gullible morons at TM-Free Blog.............
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, it is not the final word. When you get to the fully enlightened state you have to fight this guy. http://tinyurl.com/2w2zd5 then you are ready. OffWorld Quite good actually...the 'dweller on the threshold' is that part of ourself which is a product of the indulgence of the senses. Some call it an 'emotional entity' that must be slain with the sword of spiritual will power! (wisdom) This 'dweller' stands between us and our spiritual soul body, until it is vanquished we are unable to grow spiritually. Until one has achieved 'brahacharya', (where the life force is found continually directed upward) one's energies will be disipated in sensual living and unavailable for spiritual progress! Conquering this 'foe' therefore is the first step in spiritual progress and is referred to as 'Yama'...or brahamacharya (celibacy) in Patanjali's eight limbs of Yoga.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Ice Storm Disrupts Dome Attendance/Market Plunges'
--- george_deforest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert Gimbel wrote: Does anyone else feel there may be a correspondence?. hmm, i think the ME (Maharishi Effect) is being tested. if you look at the claims the TMO made, at the start of this Invincible America course, they loudly shouted 2 things: 1) that the greater coherence make the stock market go up; 2) the same coherent force kept away all the hurricanes that were normally expected for that summer. so, following their logic, there should be a cause and effect relationship, between the sudden drop in dome numbers over the weekend, and the sudden drop in stock markets today. but what i dont get is, why the major ice storm (some folks were saying, the worst one in decades)? why didnt the maximized coherence, adding to itself over many months now, plus the pandit factor of yagyas or whatever it is they do thats extra: why didnt that drive away the ice storms, by the same logic that it drove away the hurricanes last summer. my faith in ME was somewhat restored, but now it is lower again! The ME is not very robust, to say the least! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/4It09A/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/
[FairfieldLife] FFL used to be such an intelligent reasonable sort of group....
Many years ago I heard an expression, 'If I could find an open mind I'd get some sin and drop it in'. I was horrified, I have never had any use for concepts such as sin or evil. However, over the years I have met the occasional person who seemed to be suffering from mental illness, and on occasion heard such suffering connected with the devil and being evil. I never took such comments seriously. That is until I read the poison penned letters of a couple of respondents on FFL and I ended the day pondering as to whether I had encountered pure evil. Is it actually possible that they are practising TM? I don't think so.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just for the record - Paul Mason is not anti-TM or anti-MMY
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip If it weren't for the by far greater number of spiritual seekers who do NOT fall into this trap and become fanatics, the few who *become* fanatics would stand as a blanket condemnation of spirituality and the spiritual path itself. Fortunately, the balanced, sane followers of spiritual paths are more numerous, and represent well the same traditions that the unsane fanatics make a mockery of. Barry's shoot-the-messenger demonization tendencies are brilliantly on display in this post. And note that his rant represents the identical us-vs.-them kind of polarization he's decrying: reasonable people vs. fanatics, sane vs. unsane. Fanaticism, unreasonableness, and unsanity exist at the extremes of both sides of these issues. In between there's a wide range of views, but there's no such middle ground for Barry. Distinguishing between shades of gray is hard work that it's just too much trouble for him to undertake. Barry Wright, Master of Inadvertent Irony.
[FairfieldLife] TM-Terrorists or just sad cases?
Many years ago I heard an expression; 'If I could find an open mind I'd get some sin and drop it in'. I was horrified, I have never had any use for concepts such as 'sin' or 'evil'. However, over the years I met several people who seemed to be suffering from mental illness, and heard such mental ill health connected with the devil. I never took such comments seriously. Yet more recently I have heard terrorists being branded 'evil', but still I resisted the term. That is until I read the poison penned letters of a couple of respondents addressed to me at FFL. I ended the day feeling that I had encountered pure evil. It was a feeling not a thought. I could feel the poison, it endured for most of the night. It was clearly not light that they had showered me with!! These posters and others of their ilk, who pose as supporters of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi yet post malevolent attacks on others, is it really possible that they actually practice TM? No, I don't think so.
Re: [FairfieldLife] FFL used to be such an intelligent reasonable sort of group....
On Feb 28, 2007, at 8:21 AM, Paul Mason wrote: Many years ago I heard an expression, 'If I could find an open mind I'd get some sin and drop it in'. I was horrified, I have never had any use for concepts such as sin or evil. However, over the years I have met the occasional person who seemed to be suffering from mental illness, and on occasion heard such suffering connected with the devil and being evil. I never took such comments seriously. That is until I read the poison penned letters of a couple of respondents on FFL and I ended the day pondering as to whether I had encountered pure evil. Is it actually possible that they are practising TM? I don't think so. Some people DO develop meditational disorders Paul and these do manifest in a variety of ways. They actually are more common in mass meditation methods like TM because there is no individualized methods given to correct problems before or after they arise. These disorders are often exacerbated by situations where people are told to continue meditating rather than applying an antidote or where purification is skipped. It is a very sad thing to see. Physical abuse, even broken ones, heal slowly over time. Internal abuse can be even more insidious and be much longer lasting.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Poor gullible morons at TM-Free Blog.............
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Magoo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: No, it is not the final word. When you get to the fully enlightened state you have to fight this guy. http://tinyurl.com/2w2zd5 then you are ready. OffWorld Quite good actually...the 'dweller on the threshold' is that part of ourself which is a product of the indulgence of the senses. Some call it an 'emotional entity' that must be slain with the sword of spiritual will power! (wisdom) This 'dweller' stands between us and our spiritual soul body, until it is vanquished we are unable to grow spiritually. Until one has achieved 'brahacharya', (where the life force is found continually directed upward) one's energies will be disipated in sensual living and unavailable for spiritual progress! Conquering this 'foe' therefore is the first step in spiritual progress and is referred to as 'Yama'...or brahamacharya (celibacy) in Patanjali's eight limbs of Yoga. The question is when on our journey do we confront the 'dweller on the threshold'? Where is the starting point from which to measure our First Step in spiritual progress? The draw of the senses can be understood conceptually and felt generally long before the Self is realized, though attempts to channel our energies upwards at that point will be fruitless because we cannot act with precision. Without Self realization, there is not a clear view of the senses acting upon the mind, and no way to determine a starting point; no foundation from which to begin our spiritual progress. Only after Self realization, with the senses and the mind both isolated clearly as elements outside the Self, does the activity resulting from wisdom begin to naturally move our life force upwards.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just for the record - Paul Mason is not anti-TM or anti-MMY
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip If it weren't for the by far greater number of spiritual seekers who do NOT fall into this trap and become fanatics, the few who *become* fanatics would stand as a blanket condemnation of spirituality and the spiritual path itself. Fortunately, the balanced, sane followers of spiritual paths are more numerous, and represent well the same traditions that the unsane fanatics make a mockery of. Barry's shoot-the-messenger demonization tendencies are brilliantly on display in this post. And note that his rant represents the identical us-vs.-them kind of polarization he's decrying: reasonable people vs. fanatics, sane vs. unsane. Fanaticism, unreasonableness, and unsanity exist at the extremes of both sides of these issues. In between there's a wide range of views, but there's no such middle ground for Barry. Distinguishing between shades of gray is hard work that it's just too much trouble for him to undertake. Barry Wright, Master of Inadvertent Irony. Yep, he is someone who is only comfortable in a black and white world. The fanatics of which he speaks only exist in the comfort of his unenlightened mind, where he creates them in order to have a false foundation from which to make sense of an illusionary world.
[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL used to be such an intelligent reasonable sort of group....
Learning TM forces TM initiates into an unenviable situation - either carry-on regardless and get 'checked' from time-to-time or shell out lots of dosh and join in the courses that are held in the hope of getting better info about the meditation. I attended SCI tape meetings and they were just dull, I attended TM retreats/advances, and they were just like nursery school for TM initiates, run by initiates who had few of the answers but who for the most part just enjoyed being in-charge. So, I tend to suspect you are right, a lone TM-er could get strung- out. In fact I know someone who did and he tried to top himself several times. So, he was 'unstressing' and that this was some kinda retribution for sending out a photocopy of the so-so secret mantras to one of the governors. Apparently it made her quite upset to see the list on the paper. He was such a sweet guy, he thought the world of MMY and his meditation... There were just some questions that bugged him and no- one had any answers for him. So they ended up demonising him. I think he was a victim of the mass-production system. I can't imagine that he ever intended any upset to anyone. Steve Jeffery, love you man! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 28, 2007, at 8:21 AM, Paul Mason wrote: Many years ago I heard an expression, 'If I could find an open mind I'd get some sin and drop it in'. I was horrified, I have never had any use for concepts such as sin or evil. However, over the years I have met the occasional person who seemed to be suffering from mental illness, and on occasion heard such suffering connected with the devil and being evil. I never took such comments seriously. That is until I read the poison penned letters of a couple of respondents on FFL and I ended the day pondering as to whether I had encountered pure evil. Is it actually possible that they are practising TM? I don't think so. Some people DO develop meditational disorders Paul and these do manifest in a variety of ways. They actually are more common in mass meditation methods like TM because there is no individualized methods given to correct problems before or after they arise. These disorders are often exacerbated by situations where people are told to continue meditating rather than applying an antidote or where purification is skipped. It is a very sad thing to see. Physical abuse, even broken ones, heal slowly over time. Internal abuse can be even more insidious and be much longer lasting.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Are you with us, or against us?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maharishi seems to denounce democracy. ( Damn Democracy ) I will never accept this, until I see a bunch of people literally flying through the air spreading flowers of bliss. Until then, I will never give up on democracy (and that is nothing to do with Bush's ignorant redneck understanding of the issuejust to be clear for you Busheep warmonger retards) Where do you stand? Make your case. And...please...don't give us some BS about enlightened Kings. Until they are floating through the air dropping gold and bliss honey on everyone, they are just dead men walking. Where do you stand on democracy? Let us know Watch this first for inspiration, edification, and grist for the mill: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqCW3d63ug8mode=relatedsearch= OffWorld Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely. One of the scariest/funniest things anyone ever said to me was that the best ruler for any country is the person with the most coherent brainwaves I had to interogate him for a while to make sure he was serious (he was!) Let's stick with democracy to keep nutters like this out of high office, especially if they insist on wearing little gold crowns.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL used to be such an intelligent reasonable sort of group....
On Feb 28, 2007, at 9:33 AM, Paul Mason wrote: Learning TM forces TM initiates into an unenviable situation - either carry-on regardless and get 'checked' from time-to-time or shell out lots of dosh and join in the courses that are held in the hope of getting better info about the meditation. I attended SCI tape meetings and they were just dull, I attended TM retreats/advances, and they were just like nursery school for TM initiates, run by initiates who had few of the answers but who for the most part just enjoyed being in-charge. So, I tend to suspect you are right, a lone TM-er could get strung- out. In fact I know someone who did and he tried to top himself several times. So, he was 'unstressing' and that this was some kinda retribution for sending out a photocopy of the so-so secret mantras to one of the governors. Apparently it made her quite upset to see the list on the paper. Here in the US, and in Rishikesh, we have an initiate of the Holy Shankaracharya Order and of the Saraswati sect who is a master of the complete science of meditation and kundalini. He (and his western line-holder) have worked directly with a good number of people with meditational disorders and know how to correct these sometimes complicated problems so they heal and resolve. I recently heard from two long term TMers who had both had either discomfort or actual pain for over twenty years during meditation. They nonetheless remained faithful and just continued meditating every day. Eventually they found out about this group and were both diagnosed with serious blockages which they were both able to resolve very quickly with individualized instruction. The western descendent of this line wrote a book called Kundalini Vidya which is a must read for anyone with any questions. It's a breathtaking read. It also gives one some some idea of what level of knowledge a Swami Brahmananda Saraswati would possess. I believe it was someone here who recommended it. It is a must read IMO, but esp. if you'd been lead to believe that you were given the whole thing, the real thing.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just for the record - Paul Mason is not anti-TM or anti-MMY
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip If it weren't for the by far greater number of spiritual seekers who do NOT fall into this trap and become fanatics, the few who *become* fanatics would stand as a blanket condemnation of spirituality and the spiritual path itself. Fortunately, the balanced, sane followers of spiritual paths are more numerous, and represent well the same traditions that the unsane fanatics make a mockery of. Barry's shoot-the-messenger demonization tendencies are brilliantly on display in this post. And note that his rant represents the identical us-vs.-them kind of polarization he's decrying: reasonable people vs. fanatics, sane vs. unsane. Fanaticism, unreasonableness, and unsanity exist at the extremes of both sides of these issues. In between there's a wide range of views, but there's no such middle ground for Barry. Distinguishing between shades of gray is hard work that it's just too much trouble for him to undertake. Barry Wright, Master of Inadvertent Irony. Yep, he is someone who is only comfortable in a black and white world. The fanatics of which he speaks only exist in the comfort of his unenlightened mind, where he creates them in order to have a false foundation from which to make sense of an illusionary world. Uh, Judy and Jim... I'm trying to understand why you're reacting so strongly above to what I wrote. Did you somehow think that I was referring to YOU? The two people I had in mind when I wrote what I wrote were the two people whose posts, either written to FFL or reposted here, described Paul as 'demonic' or somehow in league with demonic forces because of what he wrote on TM-Free. Do you NOT consider those two people fanatics? If you'd like to interpret what I wrote before (reproduced without snippage below) to be about YOU, you're going to have to go on record here as believing that Paul is a demon, or that he is working with demonic forces. THEN you may reply angrily to my post below, because at that point it WILL be about you. If you would like to defend the two people I had in mind as NOT fanatics, you'll likewise have to go on record here by doing so, and at that point you can ALSO assume that what I wrote below is about you. But not until. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Q. Isn't it true to say that the Maharishi is nothing other than an opportunistic? A. Yup Q. self-promoting A. Yup Q. maverick, A. Yup Q. who wilfully misleads his supporters A. Yup Q. and anyone else who has the time, the inclination and the money to listen to him? A. Yup Q. Some say the TM method is a good one, some say not? A. Yup Although I believe that Maharishi Mahesh Yogi has used deceptive means to spread the teaching of transcendental meditation, I am confident that his motives have been well intended. And equally for the record, I agree. I also believe that the actions of the TM fanatics on this group and others, who consistently embarrass both themselves and their spiritual tradition, are equally well-intentioned. And equally delusional. Maharishi's view of the better world he wishes to create is based on a fantasy of some perfect time in the past he calls the Vedic era, a time and place that history holds no record of. His good intentions are to attempt to force the square peg of Now into that fantasy round hole of Then. Natur- ally, he fails at this impossible task, and then attempts to blame the square peg for the failure. Although I have voiced criticism of Maharishi, it should not be construed that I believe him to have just been in it for the money or the fame. Certainly not. But both the money and the fame have grown to be increasingly large concerns for him over the years, often sadly overshadowing his basic good intentions. To believe otherwise is to view him (and all spiritual teachers, for *most* of whom fame and money present terrible spiritual hurdles that they must overcome, and often fail to overcome) through rose-colored glasses, and without an accurate picture of the person they are trying to assess. The desire to view a teacher they have come to view as enlightened as *only* positive is a child's game, the pursuit of those who have been indoctrinated into the belief that enlightenment *itself* is only positive, and allows for no negatives. If you'll notice, they tend to believe the same thing, in reverse, of their enemies, the people who are more reasonable, and who view their teachers (and enlight- enment itself) as merely human (and a human phenomenon), with the same mix of positive and negative that all humans (and all characteristics of enlightenment) embrace on a daily basis. The degree to which these sad people have
[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL used to be such an intelligent reasonable sort of group....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Learning TM forces TM initiates into an unenviable situation - either carry-on regardless and get 'checked' from time-to-time or shell out lots of dosh and join in the courses that are held in the hope of getting better info about the meditation. Many TMers, of course, care only about whether the practice works for them, so they're quite happy just meditating and getting checked occasionally. I attended SCI tape meetings and they were just dull, I attended TM retreats/advances, and they were just like nursery school for TM initiates, run by initiates who had few of the answers but who for the most part just enjoyed being in-charge. The SCI tapes aren't the most scintillating in the world, but what you can get out of them depends a lot on the TM teacher in charge of the SCI course. I was fortunate to have a terrific teacher who made the course a memorable experience. Likewise, I had some truly superb teachers on the residence courses I attended, who encouraged questions and gave insightful answers that stimulated further, deeper questions and generated vibrant, open-ended discussions. I suppose you could call the instruction nursery school in that it didn't involve a dump of detailed esoteric data. Rather, these teachers were superb at analysis and synthesis of MMY's teaching on a broad rather than deep level, in such a way that you got a clear sense of the integrated structure of his teaching overall, how one aspect fit in with another aspect, how the *system* worked as a whole. That was far more valuable to me than learning, say, the ins and outs of the science of mantras.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just for the record - Paul Mason is not anti-TM or anti-MMY
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip If it weren't for the by far greater number of spiritual seekers who do NOT fall into this trap and become fanatics, the few who *become* fanatics would stand as a blanket condemnation of spirituality and the spiritual path itself. Fortunately, the balanced, sane followers of spiritual paths are more numerous, and represent well the same traditions that the unsane fanatics make a mockery of. Barry's shoot-the-messenger demonization tendencies are brilliantly on display in this post. And note that his rant represents the identical us-vs.-them kind of polarization he's decrying: reasonable people vs. fanatics, sane vs. unsane. Fanaticism, unreasonableness, and unsanity exist at the extremes of both sides of these issues. In between there's a wide range of views, but there's no such middle ground for Barry. Distinguishing between shades of gray is hard work that it's just too much trouble for him to undertake. Barry Wright, Master of Inadvertent Irony. Yep, he is someone who is only comfortable in a black and white world. The fanatics of which he speaks only exist in the comfort of his unenlightened mind, where he creates them in order to have a false foundation from which to make sense of an illusionary world. Uh, Judy and Jim... I'm trying to understand why you're reacting so strongly above to what I wrote. Did you somehow think that I was referring to YOU? Actually not, since you had recently made it clear in another (admittedly bizarre) post how amazed you were and how shocking it was that Jim and I would be willing to express an opinion similar to that of the folks you designated as the crazies. That in itself was odd, given how insistent you had been up until that post that Jim and I were unsane fanatics. But apparently the post represented a new state of attention that, while it meant you had to give up the fanatics line of attack, opened up the potential of a whole new line of demonization in which Jim's and my integrity and values could be called in question because gasp we were willing to risk a guilt-by-association smear from you by taking a position also held by the crazies. In any case, whichever side of your us-vs.-them formula you choose to place me and Jim on any given day, *my* point was the formula itself and your need to put people on one side or the other. It was a strong reaction, in other words, to yet another manifestation of your tendency to project your own behavior onto others and then proceed to demonize them.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just for the record - Paul Mason is not anti-TM or anti-MMY
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip If it weren't for the by far greater number of spiritual seekers who do NOT fall into this trap and become fanatics, the few who *become* fanatics would stand as a blanket condemnation of spirituality and the spiritual path itself. Fortunately, the balanced, sane followers of spiritual paths are more numerous, and represent well the same traditions that the unsane fanatics make a mockery of. Barry's shoot-the-messenger demonization tendencies are brilliantly on display in this post. And note that his rant represents the identical us-vs.-them kind of polarization he's decrying: reasonable people vs. fanatics, sane vs. unsane. Fanaticism, unreasonableness, and unsanity exist at the extremes of both sides of these issues. In between there's a wide range of views, but there's no such middle ground for Barry. Distinguishing between shades of gray is hard work that it's just too much trouble for him to undertake. Barry Wright, Master of Inadvertent Irony. Yep, he is someone who is only comfortable in a black and white world. The fanatics of which he speaks only exist in the comfort of his unenlightened mind, where he creates them in order to have a false foundation from which to make sense of an illusionary world. Uh, Judy and Jim... I'm trying to understand why you're reacting so strongly above to what I wrote. Did you somehow think that I was referring to YOU? and I'm trying to understand why you think my one brief paragraph concerning what you wrote constitutes a strong reaction? Or are you confusing *your* strong reaction with my neutral one?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Are you with us, or against us?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: Maharishi seems to denounce democracy. ( Damn Democracy ) I will never accept this, until I see a bunch of people literally flying through the air spreading flowers of bliss. Until then, I will never give up on democracy (and that is nothing to do with Bush's ignorant redneck understanding of the issuejust to be clear for you Busheep warmonger retards) Where do you stand? Make your case. And...please...don't give us some BS about enlightened Kings. Until they are floating through the air dropping gold and bliss honey on everyone, they are just dead men walking. Where do you stand on democracy? Let us know Watch this first for inspiration, edification, and grist for the mill: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqCW3d63ug8mode=relatedsearch= OffWorld Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely. One of the scariest/funniest things anyone ever said to me was that the best ruler for any country is the person with the most coherent brainwaves I had to interogate him for a while to make sure he was serious (he was!) Let's stick with democracy to keep nutters like this out of high office, especially if they insist on wearing little gold crowns. Now, what democratic country is truly democratic ? And what democratic country is not under the spell of a destructive capitalism and marketforces ? In what democratic country do not people live in the streets or go hungry ? I think Maharishi is correct in his analysis. Democracy as we know it has to go, just as capatalism will, and recently, communism. The little ones in charge of each country must and will be replaced by humans with more coherent brainwaves. And international forums such as the UN, and possibly a World Government will have to take more of the national resposebilities so poorly administrated by fools in every government. Just as Maharishi has predicted.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Are you with us, or against us?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let's stick with democracy to keep nutters And if you think my reply was nutty you will probably be asked to leave as well. haha Lou Valentino on his page actually has a very interesting point about this. Those resisting evolution and progress could be evacuated from is Earth by our Space Brothers. That is a very interesting thought, and not farfetched at all. like this out of high office, especially if they insist on wearing little gold crowns.
[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL used to be such an intelligent reasonable sort of group....
The simple beauty of Transcendental Meditation as taught by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi is that it is a self-contained system for Self realization. In other words, with a few instructions and some knowledge regarding the progression of experiences, the whole thing just unfolds on its own. Some patience and reflection and activity are all that is needed. So no need to wring your hands over the unenviable position of TMers. As so many of us have discovered with TM, the fullness of life unfolds naturally with its practice, with little assistance necessary. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Learning TM forces TM initiates into an unenviable situation - either carry-on regardless and get 'checked' from time-to-time or shell out lots of dosh and join in the courses that are held in the hope of getting better info about the meditation. I attended SCI tape meetings and they were just dull, I attended TM retreats/advances, and they were just like nursery school for TM initiates, run by initiates who had few of the answers but who for the most part just enjoyed being in-charge. So, I tend to suspect you are right, a lone TM-er could get strung- out. In fact I know someone who did and he tried to top himself several times. So, he was 'unstressing' and that this was some kinda retribution for sending out a photocopy of the so-so secret mantras to one of the governors. Apparently it made her quite upset to see the list on the paper. He was such a sweet guy, he thought the world of MMY and his meditation... There were just some questions that bugged him and no- one had any answers for him. So they ended up demonising him. I think he was a victim of the mass-production system. I can't imagine that he ever intended any upset to anyone. Steve Jeffery, love you man! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Feb 28, 2007, at 8:21 AM, Paul Mason wrote: Many years ago I heard an expression, 'If I could find an open mind I'd get some sin and drop it in'. I was horrified, I have never had any use for concepts such as sin or evil. However, over the years I have met the occasional person who seemed to be suffering from mental illness, and on occasion heard such suffering connected with the devil and being evil. I never took such comments seriously. That is until I read the poison penned letters of a couple of respondents on FFL and I ended the day pondering as to whether I had encountered pure evil. Is it actually possible that they are practising TM? I don't think so. Some people DO develop meditational disorders Paul and these do manifest in a variety of ways. They actually are more common in mass meditation methods like TM because there is no individualized methods given to correct problems before or after they arise. These disorders are often exacerbated by situations where people are told to continue meditating rather than applying an antidote or where purification is skipped. It is a very sad thing to see. Physical abuse, even broken ones, heal slowly over time. Internal abuse can be even more insidious and be much longer lasting.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just for the record - Paul Mason is not anti-TM or anti-MMY
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip If it weren't for the by far greater number of spiritual seekers who do NOT fall into this trap and become fanatics, the few who *become* fanatics would stand as a blanket condemnation of spirituality and the spiritual path itself. Fortunately, the balanced, sane followers of spiritual paths are more numerous, and represent well the same traditions that the unsane fanatics make a mockery of. Barry's shoot-the-messenger demonization tendencies are brilliantly on display in this post. And note that his rant represents the identical us-vs.-them kind of polarization he's decrying: reasonable people vs. fanatics, sane vs. unsane. Fanaticism, unreasonableness, and unsanity exist at the extremes of both sides of these issues. In between there's a wide range of views, but there's no such middle ground for Barry. Distinguishing between shades of gray is hard work that it's just too much trouble for him to undertake. Barry Wright, Master of Inadvertent Irony. Yep, he is someone who is only comfortable in a black and white world. The fanatics of which he speaks only exist in the comfort of his unenlightened mind, where he creates them in order to have a false foundation from which to make sense of an illusionary world. Uh, Judy and Jim... I'm trying to understand why you're reacting so strongly above to what I wrote. Did you somehow think that I was referring to YOU? Actually not, since you had recently made it clear in another (admittedly bizarre) post how amazed you were and how shocking it was that Jim and I would be willing to express an opinion similar to that of the folks you designated as the crazies. That in itself was odd, given how insistent you had been up until that post that Jim and I were unsane fanatics. But apparently the post represented a new state of attention that, while it meant you had to give up the fanatics line of attack, opened up the potential of a whole new line of demonization in which Jim's and my integrity and values could be called in question because gasp we were willing to risk a guilt-by-association smear from you by taking a position also held by the crazies. In any case, whichever side of your us-vs.-them formula you choose to place me and Jim on any given day, *my* point was the formula itself and your need to put people on one side or the other. It was a strong reaction, in other words, to yet another manifestation of your tendency to project your own behavior onto others and then proceed to demonize them. You still seem to be ranting, when all you had to do was respond to one question, which you seem to have accidentally snipped from your reply: Do you NOT consider the two TMers who referred to Paul Mason as a demon or who suggested that he was in league with demonic forces to be fanatics? If the answer is Yes, I consider them fanatics, then we have nothing further to discuss. If the answer is No, I do not consider them fanatics, then we also have nothing further to discuss, but for different reasons. Either way...buh-bye... :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Poor gullible morons at TM-Free Blog.............
Conquering this 'foe' therefore is the first step in spiritual progress and is referred to as 'Yama'...or brahamacharya (celibacy) in Patanjali's eight limbs of Yoga. The question is when on our journey do we confront the 'dweller on the threshold'? We don't. That's for other traditions of warriors. We are not on that path. We simply transcend that and comes out in the other end, transformed. Where is the starting point from which to measure our First Step in spiritual progress? When you felt some rest after meditation. Nothing flashy, simple. That's when the fun begins :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Are you with us, or against us?
Lou Valentino on his page actually has a very interesting point about this. Those resisting evolution and progress could be evacuated from is Earth by our Space Brothers. How come brothas have do do all the evacuation work? While whitey is sitting on his enlightened planet sipping mango lassis, the brothas have to take all the crackers resisting evolution off to the cosmic Parchman's Farm so they can do some hard time. That is a very interesting thought, and not farfetched at all. You are now my favorite poster here. Lou time to step up your game. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusos108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo richardhughes103@ wrote: Let's stick with democracy to keep nutters And if you think my reply was nutty you will probably be asked to leave as well. haha Lou Valentino on his page actually has a very interesting point about this. Those resisting evolution and progress could be evacuated from is Earth by our Space Brothers. That is a very interesting thought, and not farfetched at all. like this out of high office, especially if they insist on wearing little gold crowns.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just for the record - Paul Mason is not anti-TM or anti-MMY
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip If it weren't for the by far greater number of spiritual seekers who do NOT fall into this trap and become fanatics, the few who *become* fanatics would stand as a blanket condemnation of spirituality and the spiritual path itself. Fortunately, the balanced, sane followers of spiritual paths are more numerous, and represent well the same traditions that the unsane fanatics make a mockery of. Barry's shoot-the-messenger demonization tendencies are brilliantly on display in this post. And note that his rant represents the identical us-vs.-them kind of polarization he's decrying: reasonable people vs. fanatics, sane vs. unsane. Fanaticism, unreasonableness, and unsanity exist at the extremes of both sides of these issues. In between there's a wide range of views, but there's no such middle ground for Barry. Distinguishing between shades of gray is hard work that it's just too much trouble for him to undertake. Barry Wright, Master of Inadvertent Irony. Yep, he is someone who is only comfortable in a black and white world. The fanatics of which he speaks only exist in the comfort of his unenlightened mind, where he creates them in order to have a false foundation from which to make sense of an illusionary world. Uh, Judy and Jim... I'm trying to understand why you're reacting so strongly above to what I wrote. Did you somehow think that I was referring to YOU? Actually not, since you had recently made it clear in another (admittedly bizarre) post how amazed you were and how shocking it was that Jim and I would be willing to express an opinion similar to that of the folks you designated as the crazies. That in itself was odd, given how insistent you had been up until that post that Jim and I were unsane fanatics. But apparently the post represented a new state of attention that, while it meant you had to give up the fanatics line of attack, opened up the potential of a whole new line of demonization in which Jim's and my integrity and values could be called in question because gasp we were willing to risk a guilt-by-association smear from you by taking a position also held by the crazies. In any case, whichever side of your us-vs.-them formula you choose to place me and Jim on any given day, *my* point was the formula itself and your need to put people on one side or the other. It was a strong reaction, in other words, to yet another manifestation of your tendency to project your own behavior onto others and then proceed to demonize them. You still seem to be ranting, when all you had to do was respond to one question, Well, no, I was actually responding to your first question, you see. Did you forget you'd asked that one? which you seem to have accidentally snipped from your reply: Do you NOT consider the two TMers who referred to Paul Mason as a demon or who suggested that he was in league with demonic forces to be fanatics? I don't make those kinds of demonizing fanatic/ nonfanatic distinctions. I don't think calling someone a fanatic makes any more sense than calling them a demon.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just for the record - Paul Mason is not anti-TM or anti-MMY
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip In any case, whichever side of your us-vs.-them formula you choose to place me and Jim on any given day, *my* point was the formula itself and your need to put people on one side or the other. It was a strong reaction, in other words, to yet another manifestation of your tendency to project your own behavior onto others and then proceed to demonize them. You still seem to be ranting, when all you had to do was respond to one question, which you seem to have accidentally snipped from your reply: Note, by the way, that Barry conveniently proves my point for me with yet another iteration of his us-vs.-them, sane-vs.-unsane formula: Do you NOT consider the two TMers who referred to Paul Mason as a demon or who suggested that he was in league with demonic forces to be fanatics? Q.E.D. Dance, Barry, dance!
[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL used to be such an intelligent reasonable sort of group....
Some people DO develop meditational disorders Yes, and Paul Mason is a good example. Paul Mason; when did you last receive a checking ? Paul and these do manifest in a variety of ways. They actually are more common in mass meditation methods like TM because there is no individualized methods given to correct problems before or after they arise. So checking is not an individualized method, Vaj ? Again you expose your silly ignorance. You are a simple fool, someone I would descripe as a little one. Vaj, from where do you get this energy to attac something which is truly valuable. Ponder before answering please, though I do not expect a honest answer I'm afraid. These disorders are often exacerbated by situations where people are told to continue meditating rather than applying an antidote or where purification is skipped. Vaj, you keep on insisting to be such a ignorant clown. Question.(1) Can Transcendental Meditation bring psycho-physiological problems at all, as reported by a number of meditators, or only when it is not properly practised? (2) Are these problems not linked to the practice? (3) What would be your advice to such people? (4) Is Transcendental Meditation a beneficial technique? (5) Would you recommend a shift from Transcendental Meditation to Transmission Meditation altogether, or can both be practised at different times? Answer by Benjamin Creme. (1) Not if properly practised. (2) The problems are not linked to the practice. (3) Seek counsel of a practitioner. (4) Yes. (5) Transmission Meditation is more a service and so more beneficial to the world but both can be practised at different times. For more information, please see: http://www.shareintl.org
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Are you with us, or against us?
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of curtisdeltablues Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 9:53 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Are you with us, or against us? Lou Valentino on his page actually has a very interesting point about this. Those resisting evolution and progress could be evacuated from is Earth by our Space Brothers. How come brothas have do do all the evacuation work? While whitey is sitting on his enlightened planet sipping mango lassis, the brothas have to take all the crackers resisting evolution off to the cosmic Parchman's Farm so they can do some hard time. This reminds me of a very funny movie: The Brother From Another Planet (1984) Rotten Tomatoes gives it 100% rating: http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/brother_from_another_planet/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Ice Storm Disrupts Dome Attendance/Market Plunges'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- george_deforest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert Gimbel wrote: Does anyone else feel there may be a correspondence?. hmm, i think the ME (Maharishi Effect) is being tested. if you look at the claims the TMO made, at the start of this Invincible America course, they loudly shouted 2 things: 1) that the greater coherence make the stock market go up; 2) the same coherent force kept away all the hurricanes that were normally expected for that summer. so, following their logic, there should be a cause and effect relationship, between the sudden drop in dome numbers over the weekend, and the sudden drop in stock markets today. but what i dont get is, why the major ice storm (some folks were saying, the worst one in decades)? why didnt the maximized coherence, adding to itself over many months now, plus the pandit factor of yagyas or whatever it is they do thats extra: why didnt that drive away the ice storms, by the same logic that it drove away the hurricanes last summer. my faith in ME was somewhat restored, but now it is lower again! The ME is not very robust, to say the least! Occultwise ME is very sound and effective. But what can the laws of nature do for a nation that is bent on destruction; that are not even capable of a low little number of 1750 meditators meditating together ? That nation will fall very deep, but will wake up to a radically new world. So vividly described by Maharishi. And again they, the americans could be the leaders, those who front Age of Enlightement. First though, they will have to loose everything they hold dear.
[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL used to be such an intelligent reasonable sort of group....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusos108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Question.(1) Can Transcendental Meditation bring psycho-physiological problems at all, as reported by a number of meditators, or only when it is not properly practised? (2) Are these problems not linked to the practice? (3) What would be your advice to such people? (4) Is Transcendental Meditation a beneficial technique? (5) Would you recommend a shift from Transcendental Meditation to Transmission Meditation altogether, or can both be practised at different times? Answer by Benjamin Creme. (1) Not if properly practised. (2) The problems are not linked to the practice. (3) Seek counsel of a practitioner. (4) Yes. (5) Transmission Meditation is more a service and so more beneficial to the world but both can be practised at different times. For more information, please see: http://www.shareintl.org Question. (1) Is Paul Mason a demon, or in league with demonic forces? (2) Does he deserve to burn in Hell for writing what he has written on TM-Free and on FFL? (3) If your answer to either 1 or 2 is Yes, why should anyone believe that the person *you* rely on as some sort of authority has any credence whatsoever?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Poor gullible morons at TM-Free Blog.............
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The question is when on our journey do we confront the 'dweller on the threshold'? As soon as you start exercising/applying your spiritual will power, which is achieved thru regular meditation, but you must exercise it! Where is the starting point from which to measure our First Step in spiritual progress? Peace and a pure conscience. The draw of the senses can be understood conceptually and felt generally long before the Self is realized, though attempts to channel our energies upwards at that point will be fruitless because we cannot act with precision. If you wait, you ignore the image of God within yourself which entitles/enables you to command your fate, bend your will to God's will. That is spiritual will power. Without Self realization, there is not a clear view of the senses acting upon the mind, and no way to determine a starting point; no foundation from which to begin our spiritual progress. The foundation is Yama and Niyama as stated by Patanjali, Meditation and moral activity go hand in hand! MMY doens't mention this much because he is teaching TM as a simple mental technique and not as a Religion. Only after Self realization, with the senses and the mind both isolated clearly as elements outside the Self, does the activity resulting from wisdom begin to naturally move our life force upwards. Self Realization is the result of the life force (kundalini) moving upwards.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL used to be such an intelligent reasonable sort of group....
On Feb 28, 2007, at 11:10 AM, nablusos108 wrote: Some people DO develop meditational disorders Yes, and Paul Mason is a good example. Paul Mason; when did you last receive a checking ? Paul and these do manifest in a variety of ways. They actually are more common in mass meditation methods like TM because there is no individualized methods given to correct problems before or after they arise. So checking is not an individualized method, Vaj ? Unfortunately in regards to what I'm referring to, it's the wrong tool for the wrong job. Canned checking procedures don't cut it. -Vaj the Maitreya
[FairfieldLife] Re: Poor gullible morons at TM-Free Blog.............
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusos108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Conquering this 'foe' therefore is the first step in spiritual progress and is referred to as 'Yama'...or brahamacharya (celibacy) in Patanjali's eight limbs of Yoga. The question is when on our journey do we confront the 'dweller on the threshold'? We don't. That's for other traditions of warriors. We are not on that path. We simply transcend that and comes out in the other end, transformed. Where is the starting point from which to measure our First Step in spiritual progress? When you felt some rest after meditation. Nothing flashy, simple. That's when the fun begins :-) It can be seen that way also, anmd I appreciate your emphasis on the effortlessness of it all. I was responding specifically to Mr. Magoo's statement about the state of brahmacharya and what my (im) personal experience has been. Your expression is probably more accurate overall though.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Are you with us, or against us?
I had forgotten all about that movie and thought I was being original! Nothing new under the sun. That was a funny movie. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of curtisdeltablues Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 9:53 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Are you with us, or against us? Lou Valentino on his page actually has a very interesting point about this. Those resisting evolution and progress could be evacuated from is Earth by our Space Brothers. How come brothas have do do all the evacuation work? While whitey is sitting on his enlightened planet sipping mango lassis, the brothas have to take all the crackers resisting evolution off to the cosmic Parchman's Farm so they can do some hard time. This reminds me of a very funny movie: The Brother From Another Planet (1984) Rotten Tomatoes gives it 100% rating: http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/brother_from_another_planet/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Poor gullible morons at TM-Free Blog.............
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusos108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Conquering this 'foe' therefore is the first step in spiritual progress and is referred to as 'Yama'...or brahamacharya (celibacy) in Patanjali's eight limbs of Yoga. The question is when on our journey do we confront the 'dweller on the threshold'? We don't. That's for other traditions of warriors. We are not on that path. We simply transcend that and comes out in the other end, transformed. I would clearly have to disagree...in order to transcend to samadhi a certain amount of spiritual purity must be garnered FIRST! Regular meditation will help you to do this, meditation and activity go hand in hand. You must apply the power you achieve in Meditation, remember the archer analogy.to achieve success in life the arrow must be pulled all the way back to achieve maximum forcethen must be aimed properly!! Your will does the aiming..
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Are you with us, or against us?
On Feb 28, 2007, at 10:53 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote: Lou Valentino on his page actually has a very interesting point about this. Those resisting evolution and progress could be evacuated from is Earth by our Space Brothers. How come brothas have do do all the evacuation work? While whitey issitting on his enlightened planet sipping mango lassis, the brothashave to take all the crackers resisting evolution off to the cosmicParchman's Farm so they can do some hard time.Because I'm so small. Do you know how hard it is typing on one of these things:
[FairfieldLife] Re: Poor gullible morons at TM-Free Blog.............
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Magoo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: The question is when on our journey do we confront the 'dweller on the threshold'? As soon as you start exercising/applying your spiritual will power, which is achieved thru regular meditation, but you must exercise it! Where is the starting point from which to measure our First Step in spiritual progress? Peace and a pure conscience. The draw of the senses can be understood conceptually and felt generally long before the Self is realized, though attempts to channel our energies upwards at that point will be fruitless because we cannot act with precision. If you wait, you ignore the image of God within yourself which entitles/enables you to command your fate, bend your will to God's will. That is spiritual will power. Without Self realization, there is not a clear view of the senses acting upon the mind, and no way to determine a starting point; no foundation from which to begin our spiritual progress. The foundation is Yama and Niyama as stated by Patanjali, Meditation and moral activity go hand in hand! MMY doens't mention this much because he is teaching TM as a simple mental technique and not as a Religion. Only after Self realization, with the senses and the mind both isolated clearly as elements outside the Self, does the activity resulting from wisdom begin to naturally move our life force upwards. Self Realization is the result of the life force (kundalini) moving upwards. So do you see Self realization as the end or the beginning of the journey?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL used to be such an intelligent reasonable sort of group....
On Feb 28, 2007, at 11:20 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusos108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Question.(1) Can Transcendental Meditation bring psycho- physiological problems at all, as reported by a number of meditators, or only when it is not properly practised? (2) Are these problems not linked to the practice? (3) What would be your advice to such people? (4) Is Transcendental Meditation a beneficial technique? (5) Would you recommend a shift from Transcendental Meditation to Transmission Meditation altogether, or can both be practised at different times? Answer by Benjamin Creme. (1) Not if properly practised. (2) The problems are not linked to the practice. (3) Seek counsel of a practitioner. (4) Yes. (5) Transmission Meditation is more a service and so more beneficial to the world but both can be practised at different times. For more information, please see: http://www.shareintl.org Question. (1) Is Paul Mason a demon, or in league with demonic forces? (2) Does he deserve to burn in Hell for writing what he has written on TM-Free and on FFL? (3) If your answer to either 1 or 2 is Yes, why should anyone believe that the person *you* rely on as some sort of authority has any credence whatsoever? Nablusus: It sounds like a hole to me. Please check this link for repair instructions: http://zapatopi.net/afdb/build.html PS: Please send one of these to Mr. Creme.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Poor gullible morons at TM-Free Blog.............
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Magoo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusos108 nablusos108@ wrote: Conquering this 'foe' therefore is the first step in spiritual progress and is referred to as 'Yama'...or brahamacharya (celibacy) in Patanjali's eight limbs of Yoga. The question is when on our journey do we confront the 'dweller on the threshold'? We don't. That's for other traditions of warriors. We are not on that path. We simply transcend that and comes out in the other end, transformed. I would clearly have to disagree...in order to transcend to samadhi a certain amount of spiritual purity must be garnered FIRST! Regular meditation will help you to do this, meditation and activity go hand in hand. You must apply the power you achieve in Meditation, remember the archer analogy.to achieve success in life the arrow must be pulled all the way back to achieve maximum forcethen must be aimed properly!! Your will does the aiming.. I think what nablusos108 is saying is that there is no need for will to be exercised once the arrow is pulled back through meditation. The arrow will fly to its target as a result of innocent desires for fulfillment coming about as the result of our individual dharma. Our dharma forms the target(s). The power resulting from TM comes about naturally as a result of transcending and is expressed naturally through activity.
[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL used to be such an intelligent reasonable sort of group....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 28, 2007, at 11:10 AM, nablusos108 wrote: Some people DO develop meditational disorders Yes, and Paul Mason is a good example. Paul Mason; when did you last receive a checking ? Paul and these do manifest in a variety of ways. They actually are more common in mass meditation methods like TM because there is no individualized methods given to correct problems before or after they arise. So checking is not an individualized method, Vaj ? Unfortunately in regards to what I'm referring to, it's the wrong tool for the wrong job. Canned checking procedures don't cut it. -Vaj the Maitreya Is that what you insist your wife call you? Honey, Vaj the Maitreya wants another beer...now!
[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL used to be such an intelligent reasonable sort of group....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusos108 nablusos108@ wrote: Question.(1) Can Transcendental Meditation bring psycho- physiological problems at all, as reported by a number of meditators, or only when it is not properly practised? (2) Are these problems not linked to the practice? (3) What would be your advice to such people? (4) Is Transcendental Meditation a beneficial technique? (5) Would you recommend a shift from Transcendental Meditation to Transmission Meditation altogether, or can both be practised at different times? Answer by Benjamin Creme. (1) Not if properly practised. (2) The problems are not linked to the practice. (3) Seek counsel of a practitioner. (4) Yes. (5) Transmission Meditation is more a service and so more beneficial to the world but both can be practised at different times. For more information, please see: http://www.shareintl.org Question. (1) Is Paul Mason a demon, or in league with demonic forces? (2) Does he deserve to burn in Hell for writing what he has written on TM-Free and on FFL? (3) If your answer to either 1 or 2 is Yes, why should anyone believe that the person *you* rely on as some sort of authority has any credence whatsoever? Good questions ! 1. He is overtaken, currently, by lower forces within himself. His problem is his lower nature, including greed and false glamour for fame. He is also very, very interested in becoming a famous writer, and thinks he will accomplish this by jumping on a famous person. This Paul Mason fellow has one agenda; to capitalize, in cash, on someone else. This is typical english lowlife where any thryst with any famous or politician is sold to The Sun for cash. Paul Mason is a parasite, may he go where he belongs, he, like the rest of us, will reap what we sow. What he do not realize is that it will backfire, bigtime. It's a sorry state really. My compassion extends to him. Demonic forces outside Paul Mason's conscious knowing might use him as a vehicle and tool. Or not. I have no direct information on this. But it seems plausible given the bizzare, clouded in intellectual jargon, nature of his attacs. 2. That is not for me to judge. Perhaps his good karma will outweight the foolishness he is projecting now. No human knows all the details of karma. What I do know, is that his activities are highly destructive to himself. 3. My answers was neighter yes or no. You may draw your own conclusions.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Gina Catena's Series on TM Thought Reform
I am just claiming that it helped me understand my experiences Judy. No, you've been claiming a *lot* more than that, Curtis. For example (just from FFL, not alt.m.t): Curtis, did you understand the point I was making here? To avoid a discussion of Lifton's criteria, you asserted (above) that you were only claiming they had helped you understand *your* experiences. That would have made some sense. If that's all you were claiming, there wouldn't be much point in such a discussion. Me: You are making a bigger deal out of my use of the word just than I intended. Of course I have said all sorts of other things in my posts. That statement was not setting a boundary on my right to make any claim I want. I was not saying that this is the only claim I have ever, or will ever, make regarding TM. My point was that the information is valuable to me and my experiences, it may not be valuable to your and your experiences. I still use it in my perspective of what I see in the movement. But that *isn't* all you've claimed. Your assertion was not true, as I demonstrated with the quotes from some of your posts. You've made much broader claims for those criteria than just your own experience. Me: My experience includes my reactions to events like the dome rule. To avoid a discussion of Lifton's criteria, I don't care to have an exhaustive and exhausting discussion of Lifton's criteria with you. Using the term avoid is your unnecessary spin. We don't share the same goal in this discussion would be a more neutral way to express this. And those types of claims are what I was interested in discussing, but with specific reference to Lifton's criteria. I'm *not* interested in the kind of discussion you attempt below, which simply asserts that Lifton's criteria apply in a general sense. The only way to determine if that is, in fact, the case is to go over the criteria one by one--which you aren't willing to do. Me: That is correct, I am not an advocate for my POV because I don't care if you accept or even understand any of it or not. It is a theoretical model that I found and find useful. snip [LB Shriver says he was told his presence in the dome would be disruptive; someone else asked, Disruptive of what?] What is disrupted is Milieu Control. I'm sure everyone here is hip to that Lifton concept. Me: Milieu Control is the control of information. People who are not allowed in the dome because they don't buy the party line are disruptive to MUM's information control. I stand by that assessment. OK, here you *are* dealing with a specific criterion. Exactly how much communication of information goes on in the domes? How much opportunity is there to pass on information *outside* the domes? To call this milieu control is just silly. Me: Discrediting the source of alternative views by excommunication is one of the many tools of milieu control. This was my experience when I was in the group. Once the person has been banned from the domes, or marked as a negative influence they are avoided by the true believers. People often misunderstand that milieu control must be an internalized control by the members. It is not as effectively imposed from outside. To answer your question about how much opportunity there is to pass on information outside the dome, I would ask you how many hours are in a day? That is how much opportunity there is outside the dome. That is why the goal of restricting information can best be accomplished by making some people wear the sanskrit scarlet letter. This is one way milieu control is accomplished. If you want to put the dome situation under one of Lifton's criteria, it would be demand for purity. Even that doesn't fit very well, but that's another discussion. Me: OK throw that log on the fire too. Suits me. Many of his principles work together. It is not a rigid model unless we make it one. It is a tool for understanding. Using it as a subject of debate is stupid and pointless because its usefulness is for each person to decide for themselves. In your case, not having lived fulltime, it will probably not be very useful. I am not interested in your opinion of how useful it has been for me. The answer to the question, does it apply to the TM group is yes and no. No one gets to be absolutely right about this topic. more broad assertions snipped And most recently: I do know that Lifton and Singer both believed that his eight mind control principles did apply to full time members in the TM group. Me: This a fact Judy. They did believe this. It was a correction of your erroneous claim below: Judy from a previous post: Plus which, it trivializes Robert J. Lifton's important work about *real* thought control by pretending it's applicable to the TMO. Me: This is false. Lifton did believe that his principles of thought reform were present in TM
[FairfieldLife] Re: Poor gullible morons at TM-Free Blog.............
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusos108 nablusos108@ wrote: Conquering this 'foe' therefore is the first step in spiritual progress and is referred to as 'Yama'...or brahamacharya (celibacy) in Patanjali's eight limbs of Yoga. The question is when on our journey do we confront the 'dweller on the threshold'? We don't. That's for other traditions of warriors. We are not on that path. We simply transcend that and comes out in the other end, transformed. Where is the starting point from which to measure our First Step in spiritual progress? When you felt some rest after meditation. Nothing flashy, simple. That's when the fun begins :-) It can be seen that way also, anmd I appreciate your emphasis on the effortlessness of it all. I was responding specifically to Mr. Magoo's statement about the state of brahmacharya and what my (im) personal experience has been. Your expression is probably more accurate overall though. To be a Brahmachary is also a very simple and effective way. I'm not convinced that to be a Bramachary is a state. More like a important fondation for further growth. But not much worth without Transcending also. High thinking and simple living is a good thing :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jesus' Tomb on Larry King
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip do here on Fairfield Life, and allowed the kneejerker to rant on, merely pointing out at the end that what he was ranting *about* was a film that he had never seen. (Sound familiar?) Yes, there was that time you called Inland Empire a stupid movie (and then deleted the post).
Re: [FairfieldLife] FFL used to be such an intelligent reasonable sort of group....
Paul Mason wrote: Many years ago I heard an expression, 'If I could find an open mind I'd get some sin and drop it in'. I was horrified, I have never had any use for concepts such as sin or evil. However, over the years I have met the occasional person who seemed to be suffering from mental illness, and on occasion heard such suffering connected with the devil and being evil. I never took such comments seriously. That is until I read the poison penned letters of a couple of respondents on FFL and I ended the day pondering as to whether I had encountered pure evil. Is it actually possible that they are practising TM? I don't think so. My joke name for this group is the Funny Farm Lounge. :)
Re: [FairfieldLife] FFL used to be such an intelligent reasonable sort of group....
Vaj wrote: On Feb 28, 2007, at 8:21 AM, Paul Mason wrote: Many years ago I heard an expression, 'If I could find an open mind I'd get some sin and drop it in'. I was horrified, I have never had any use for concepts such as sin or evil. However, over the years I have met the occasional person who seemed to be suffering from mental illness, and on occasion heard such suffering connected with the devil and being evil. I never took such comments seriously. That is until I read the poison penned letters of a couple of respondents on FFL and I ended the day pondering as to whether I had encountered pure evil. Is it actually possible that they are practising TM? I don't think so. Some people DO develop meditational disorders Paul and these do manifest in a variety of ways. They actually are more common in mass meditation methods like TM because there is no individualized methods given to correct problems before or after they arise. These disorders are often exacerbated by situations where people are told to continue meditating rather than applying an antidote or where purification is skipped. What often happens is stress gets released but owing to the nervous system doesn't get all the way out. Then you stuck shakti. Continuing to meditate when this occurs exacerbates the situation and creates a backup or log jam of sorts. Instead the stress should be allowed to come out of the system. Doing some asanas can help. Often when the stress comes out the individual may well experience some transcendence without having meditated! It is a very sad thing to see. Physical abuse, even broken ones, heal slowly over time. Internal abuse can be even more insidious and be much longer lasting.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Lunar Eclipse March 3rd
Also Holi and the eclipse coincide this time. Two for the price of one! :) Vaj wrote: If you're initiated into certain practices (e.g. certain forms of Tara, etc.) their influence is magnified many times. It's fun taking your mala outside and practicing while you watch--esp. with a group of friends. Even if you don't believe there's anything to it, it's expanding to participate in cosmic events. On Feb 28, 2007, at 2:06 AM, m2smart4u2000 wrote: What is the affect jyotish wise? isn't it occurring in mercury? I thought it was a good time to have a yagya???
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jesus' Tomb on Larry King
I saw that too and I had it on my video disc so I had Laura flapping her gums to high speed too! Funny image. I was more sympathetic to the Baptist dudes response to Cameron. I also think this is the longest of long shots. His insistence that he knew about Jesus from the Bible did make me laugh. I agree that by the time he was debating the other Bible scholar he was not as coherent. The phrase from the other scholar that statistics is counterintuitive gave me a skeptical boner. I take this kind of discussion of even the remote possibility that Jesus did not arise from his grave to be a generally good sign. This is one of the more disturbing beliefs for modern people to have for me. It means that any discussion of how they 'know this is not going to go anywhere. It is my favorite Easter joke made real: Did you hear they canceled Easter this year? No, why? They found the body. Even hearing people on popular media discuss this gives me so much pleasure. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: Larry King Live at 9:00 p.m. ET on Monday, February 26, 2007 CNN Tonight: First Lady Laura Bush! Laura Bush, from the White House, on her urgent mission to save America's women from their deadliest killer! Plus, how is her husband handling the stress of being commander in chief of an increasingly unpopular war? Then, an explosive announcement today by 'Titanic' director James Cameron that's setting off passionate debate among Christians around the world! Have they found the tomb where Jesus was buried? James Cameron claims the tomb may have held Jesus' bones - and evidence Jesus had a son! But, if Jesus was resurrected would there even be earthly remains? The debate heats up! I'm watching my recording of this show. I can't report any impressions of Laura Bush other than the hilarity of funny how her flapping lips look when fast-forwarded, but I'm now watching the segment on Jim Cameron and Simcha Jacobovici and their film. T'would seem that the DNA evidence they quote indicates that the body in the tomb marked 'Jesus' and the body in the tomb marked 'Mary Amene' (Mary Magdalene) are not related by DNA matrilinearly. Therefore, if they are buried in the same family tomb, it is likely that they were married. The statistical evidence they seem to rely on is just that. If one were to be on a crowded street in ancient Jerusalem and call out the name Jesus, there is a 4% chance that some- one named Jesus would be there. Similarly, if one were to call out the name Mary, there would be a 25% chance of finding a Mary. But as the statistician explains, if we were to call out the names Jesus, Mary, Joseph, Matthew, and Josei at the same time, the chances of all of those people being in the same location are quite low. A Southern Baptist minister they cut to embarrassed himself thoroughly with his lack of understanding of DNA evidence, and his bristling, kneejerk defense of something (his beliefs) that had not even been challenged. Cameron replied calmly, and without making any claims one way or another. He did what many do here on Fairfield Life, and allowed the kneejerker to rant on, merely pointing out at the end that what he was ranting *about* was a film that he had never seen. (Sound familiar?) The SoBap minister finally got into a raging argument with another Biblical scholar who had written a number of books on this subject. The president of the Catholic League con- ducted himself much better at first, saying that he wanted to see the evidence, but then he pulled a Judy Stein and trotted out some bad reviews of Simcha's past documentaries in an attempt to undermine his credibility. He then lost it heavily, and a calm, collected Simcha Jacobovici had to remind him (and the audience) that Screaming doesn't make something true. Me, I don't know what the final film will report, and unlike The Blindfolded Film Critic, won't speculate on it without having seen it myself, but it sure seems likely that this TV broadcast will draw out crazies of all sorts, and allow them to display that craziness in prime time and on the pages of every newspaper and magazine. It'll be a veritable phenomenon. Think of it as the whole world suddenly resembling the petty, kneejerk arguments we see on Fairfield Life all too often. Surely this must be some facet of the ME at work.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lunar Eclipse March 3rd - learn more!
excellent animation illustrates total lunar eclipse this weekend see: http://www.shadowandsubstance.com excellent graphic illustration which explains the eclipse points (the lunar nodes, aka Rahu and Ketu in jyotish) see: http://www.hermit.org/Eclipse/why_cycles.html m2smart4u2000 wrote: What is the affect jyotish wise? isn't it occurring in mercury? I thought it was a good time to have a yagya Lunar eclipses occur on the full moon (purnima) and are of three types: total, partial and penumbral. A Total Lunar Eclipse is when the Moon entirely passes through the earth's dark shadow or umbra, which means shaded area. (Our word umbrella comes from the latin root, umbra). 35% or so are Total eclipses, which are the most dramatic and intense from an astrological point of view. Why isn't there a lunar eclipses every month on the full Moon? This is because the Moon's orbit around the earth is at a 5 degree tilt relative to the Earth's orbit around the Sun. Only 2-4 times per year is the Moon's orbit within the plane of the Earth's orbit. The points where the Moon's orbit and the Earth's orbit cross one another are the eclipse points known as Rahu and Ketu, the North and South nodes of the Moon. Because the nodes of the Moon are so mysterious and unusual in nature their influences cause abnormal functioning to whatever planet they aspect. During the eclipse the nodes of the Moon are aspecting both of the personal planets, the Sun and Moon and are cutting off their normal functioning. They create an opening in our psyches for subtle energies to enter, either positively or negatively. It's therefore best to do spiritual practices during eclipses and not anything of significance in the material world like having a surgery, or signing an important document. Eclipses are excellent times for meditation, chanting mantras, or other spiritual practices. It's recommended to fast and take advantage of the subtle influences of the eclipse time. source: http://www.lightonvedicastrology.com/dailyjyotish-031406.htm --
[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL used to be such an intelligent reasonable sort of group....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusos108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip Question. (1) Is Paul Mason a demon, or in league with demonic forces? (2) Does he deserve to burn in Hell for writing what he has written on TM-Free and on FFL? (3) If your answer to either 1 or 2 is Yes, why should anyone believe that the person *you* rely on as some sort of authority has any credence whatsoever? Good questions ! 1. He is overtaken, currently, by lower forces within himself. His problem is his lower nature, including greed and false glamour for fame. He is also very, very interested in becoming a famous writer, and thinks he will accomplish this by jumping on a famous person. This Paul Mason fellow has one agenda; to capitalize, in cash, on someone else. This is typical english lowlife where any thryst with any famous or politician is sold to The Sun for cash. Paul Mason is a parasite, may he go where he belongs, he, like the rest of us, will reap what we sow. What he do not realize is that it will backfire, bigtime. It's a sorry state really. My compassion extends to him. Demonic forces outside Paul Mason's conscious knowing might use him as a vehicle and tool. Or not. I have no direct information on this. But it seems plausible given the bizzare, clouded in intellectual jargon, nature of his attacs. 2. That is not for me to judge. Perhaps his good karma will outweight the foolishness he is projecting now. No human knows all the details of karma. What I do know, is that his activities are highly destructive to himself. 3. My answers was neighter yes or no. You may draw your own conclusions. Barry will conclude that you're avoiding the questions, because he can't deal with anything that isn't black or white, yes or no.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Poor gullible morons at TM-Free Blog.............
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So do you see Self realization as the end or the beginning of the journey? As MMY says, Self-Realization (CC) is the basis of God-Realization which culminates in Unity, Brahman. Self Realization is realization of your Self/soul (the microcosm). God Realization is realization of God (the macrocosm and soul of the Solar System. Diety, Personal God in his formless immanent consciousness, Krishna Consciousness, Christ Consciousness, Buddhic plane, etc.) Brahman (pure spirit)is the source and basis of ALL solar systems, transcendental AND immanent, in all creation. Just like we have a physical body and a subtle body, so does the creator. His body is the Solar System and the Sun being it's highest expression, is God's (personal) physical body proper. His soul is the animating substance of the Solar System which MMY calls God Consciousness. Brahman is formless Spirit, transcendental and in some mysterious way immanent in all of his solar systems...there are many Gods of many Solar systems, Brahman is the source of them all.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jesus' Tomb on Larry King
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Curtis, How do we know that this was Jesus' tomb? Can anyone really prove it? I agree with you that this has not been proved. I don't know if it is even possible to prove it.Even if you could prove it, this wouldn't make any difference to the Christians who value faith without evidence. There are many Christians who don't believe that his body went to heaven but only his soul, so this wouldn't matter to them either. I just enjoy people discussing it. The death of Jesus was an historical fact. However, the resurrection of Jesus is based on the belief of the apostles and their followers. And their conflicting accounts in the advocacy piece, the Bible. Resurrection myths are common in lots of cultures. People love to believe that when someone dies, they are not dead. I am OK with the probability of staying dead so those ideas have little appeal for me. The Easter event is not only a commemoration of Jesus resurrection. It is also an affirmation by Christians that humans too has a stake into divinity. In a sense, Guru Dev's teachings have some similarity to the Christian dogma. I can't tell if this is a belief that you share yourself. Although I am enthusiastic about my lack of belief in Christianity or Gurus higher insights into imponderable areas of life, if it is working for you, high five man. I am saying that I don't know this stuff and I am skeptical of people who claim to. For me the human condition is becoming comfortable with the fact that we know very little about life and nothing about after death. I have my suspicions though. Regards, John R. Thanks for the friendly post. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: I saw that too and I had it on my video disc so I had Laura flapping her gums to high speed too! Funny image. I was more sympathetic to the Baptist dudes response to Cameron. I also think this is the longest of long shots. His insistence that he knew about Jesus from the Bible did make me laugh. I agree that by the time he was debating the other Bible scholar he was not as coherent. The phrase from the other scholar that statistics is counterintuitive gave me a skeptical boner. I take this kind of discussion of even the remote possibility that Jesus did not arise from his grave to be a generally good sign. This is one of the more disturbing beliefs for modern people to have for me. It means that any discussion of how they 'know this is not going to go anywhere. It is my favorite Easter joke made real: Did you hear they canceled Easter this year? No, why? They found the body. Even hearing people on popular media discuss this gives me so much pleasure. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: Larry King Live at 9:00 p.m. ET on Monday, February 26, 2007 CNN Tonight: First Lady Laura Bush! Laura Bush, from the White House, on her urgent mission to save America's women from their deadliest killer! Plus, how is her husband handling the stress of being commander in chief of an increasingly unpopular war? Then, an explosive announcement today by 'Titanic' director James Cameron that's setting off passionate debate among Christians around the world! Have they found the tomb where Jesus was buried? James Cameron claims the tomb may have held Jesus' bones - and evidence Jesus had a son! But, if Jesus was resurrected would there even be earthly remains? The debate heats up! I'm watching my recording of this show. I can't report any impressions of Laura Bush other than the hilarity of funny how her flapping lips look when fast-forwarded, but I'm now watching the segment on Jim Cameron and Simcha Jacobovici and their film. T'would seem that the DNA evidence they quote indicates that the body in the tomb marked 'Jesus' and the body in the tomb marked 'Mary Amene' (Mary Magdalene) are not related by DNA matrilinearly. Therefore, if they are buried in the same family tomb, it is likely that they were married. The statistical evidence they seem to rely on is just that. If one were to be on a crowded street in ancient Jerusalem and call out the name Jesus, there is a 4% chance that some- one named Jesus would be there. Similarly, if one were to call out the name Mary, there would be a 25% chance of finding a Mary. But as the statistician explains, if we were to call out the names Jesus, Mary, Joseph, Matthew, and Josei at the same time, the chances of all of those people being in the same location are quite low. A Southern Baptist minister they cut to embarrassed himself thoroughly with
[FairfieldLife] Re: Poor gullible morons at TM-Free Blog.............
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think what nablusos108 is saying is that there is no need for will to be exercised once the arrow is pulled back through meditation. Nonsense..for any progress, either material or spiritual, spiritual will must be employed, all eight limbs of Yoga must be practiced. The arrow will fly to its target as a result of innocent desires for fulfillment coming about as the result of our individual dharma. Our dharma forms the target(s). True, but it's more of a gradual process of alternating meditation with scripturally guided behavior, they go hand in hand. It is thru meditation that we strengthen our will Hey, if you want to go thru life only practicing one limb of Patanjali's Yoga (dhyana) go ahead. That's not want MMY is recommending, read the fine print...all limbs must be practiced simultaneously!! :-) The power resulting from TM comes about naturally as a result of transcending and is expressed naturally through activity. Doesn't mean you stop using your God given power of *free will*. TM improves your skill in activity, your skill to command the laws of nature to work in and thru you.
[FairfieldLife] Paul Mason credibility doubtful - Allahabad U claims MMY an alumus
Paul Mason's credibility is doubtful. Biographical authors are afforded a high degree of confidence by readers. Abuse of that confidence leads to rapid evaporation of credibility. Paul has not addressed the following: Message#131784- Mainstream said: Please refresh my outlook about why Paul Mason's credibility should not be damaged. His answer to the question of MMY's educational background damages Mr. Mason's credibility tremendously. from FFL #131770: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Turquoise, I thought I'd pop back to get a rain check on my posting yesterday and the first post I saw was yours. The odd thing is that I haven't really said anything at http://tmfree.blogspot.com/ that should upset anyone. After three and a half decades of research on the topic, I just distilled a few points, that must be common knowledge to those posting on FFL. Surely? I was surprised anyone responded to it actually. As for the idea of me being damaged. Well I can only use Maharishi's excellent analogy, that one's vision is determined by the tint of the glasses one wears. If I am being perceived as damaged, then perhaps they need to refresh their outlook. From TM-free blog, 2/16/07 - Maharishi...Separating Fact from Fiction, by Paul Mason: Q. It is claimed that the benefit of the Maharishi's teaching can be proved scientifically? Certainly, he holds a master's degree in physics doesn't he?' A. It has not been established that Mahesh attended a university let alone whether he was awarded a degree, in any subject. from FFL#131761 See the 7th entry on this page: http://www.allduniv.edu/hostels/gnjha/gnjha_alumni.htm (From Allahabad University website) 'Allahabad University has always occupied an esteemed place among the universities of India for over a century now. Established on 23rd September 1887, it is the fourth oldest university of India after Calcutta, Bombay and Madras University.' Distinguished Alumni (of Allahabad University) Sri Gopal Swarup Pathak Former Vice President of India Sri Dharamvir Former Governor of West Bengal and Karnataka Dr. L.M. Singhavi Former High Commissioner of India to Great Britain Dr. Subhash C. Kashyap Former Secretary General, Lok Sabha Sri Ram Nivas Mirdha Former Cabinet Minister, Union of India Sri Jagdish Swarup Pathak Former Chief Justice of Himachal Pradesh High Court Sri M.C. Srivastava (Universally known as Maharishi Mahesh Yogi)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jesus' Tomb on Larry King
On Feb 28, 2007, at 12:05 PM, John wrote: How do we know that this was Jesus' tomb? Can anyone really prove it? The death of Jesus was an historical fact. Actually it wasn't. Apart from one reference by one Roman historian, there is no written mention of Jesus' life and work that I'm aware of, at least, and none at all of his death. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Poor gullible morons at TM-Free Blog.............
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Magoo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: So do you see Self realization as the end or the beginning of the journey? As MMY says, Self-Realization (CC) is the basis of God-Realization which culminates in Unity, Brahman. Self Realization is realization of your Self/soul (the microcosm). God Realization is realization of God (the macrocosm and soul of the Solar System. Diety, Personal God in his formless immanent consciousness, Krishna Consciousness, Christ Consciousness, Buddhic plane, etc.) Brahman (pure spirit)is the source and basis of ALL solar systems, transcendental AND immanent, in all creation. Just like we have a physical body and a subtle body, so does the creator. His body is the Solar System and the Sun being it's highest expression, is God's (personal) physical body proper. His soul is the animating substance of the Solar System which MMY calls God Consciousness. Brahman is formless Spirit, transcendental and in some mysterious way immanent in all of his solar systems...there are many Gods of many Solar systems, Brahman is the source of them all. Thanks-
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jesus' Tomb on Larry King
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip And then there's the 2 Marys. How the heck does the one who was pregnant before she got married, and then proceeded to have 4 or 5 more kids, get venerated as a virgin, even after all the kids--while the one who was a devoted follower of Jesus and whose name is not connected with any man at all, get toasted? You mean Mary Magdalene? How does she get toasted? By whom? She's the one to whom Jesus appears in the garden after he's crucified, the one who brings the news of the resurrection to the other disciples. She's sometimes referred to as the apostle to the apostles because of this. She's a *saint*, fer pete's sake, with her own feast day.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Poor gullible morons at TM-Free Blog.............
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Magoo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: I think what nablusos108 is saying is that there is no need for will to be exercised once the arrow is pulled back through meditation. Nonsense..for any progress, either material or spiritual, spiritual will must be employed, all eight limbs of Yoga must be practiced. The arrow will fly to its target as a result of innocent desires for fulfillment coming about as the result of our individual dharma. Our dharma forms the target(s). True, but it's more of a gradual process of alternating meditation with scripturally guided behavior, they go hand in hand. It is thru meditation that we strengthen our will Hey, if you want to go thru life only practicing one limb of Patanjali's Yoga (dhyana) go ahead. That's not want MMY is recommending, read the fine print...all limbs must be practiced simultaneously!! :-) The power resulting from TM comes about naturally as a result of transcending and is expressed naturally through activity. Doesn't mean you stop using your God given power of *free will*. TM improves your skill in activity, your skill to command the laws of nature to work in and thru you. I think we may be saying similar things. I am just saying it all unfolds naturally. There is no need to take ownership of the process. Even the free will you speak of is something that is expressed naturally in activity as a result of the benefits and insights gained through meditation. My view on all of this is exceedingly simple- I act, and through the fruits of my actions I know what to do next. From one moment to the next. No adherence to anything except the alternation of activity with TM is needed. All the rest comes and goes as it should, ever improving skill in action.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jesus' Tomb on Larry King
On Feb 28, 2007, at 12:55 PM, Sal Sunshine wrote: On Feb 28, 2007, at 12:05 PM, John wrote: How do we know that this was Jesus' tomb? Can anyone really prove it? The death of Jesus was an historical fact. Actually it wasn't. Apart from one reference by one Roman historian, there is no written mention of Jesus' life and work that I'm aware of, at least, and none at all of his death. Oops, I obviously should have said no written historical mention. Unless, of course, some consider the NT history. Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jesus' Tomb on Larry King
On Feb 28, 2007, at 1:18 PM, authfriend wrote: You mean Mary Magdalene? How does she get toasted? By whom? Obviously not by Jesus, to whom she may very well have been married. She's the one to whom Jesus appears in the garden after he's crucified, the one who brings the news of the resurrection to the other disciples. She's sometimes referred to as the apostle to the apostles because of this. That was his mother Mary. She's a *saint*, fer pete's sake, with her own feast day. She's clearly on a lower status than the Virgin Mary, sometimes being all but called a prostitute. Christianity through the years seems to have all but denied her existence. How many Renaissance paintings, for instance, feature her, and how many feature his mother? There's really no question who is the more revered.If you haven't noticed this, Judy, I guess you haven't been paying attention. Time to hit the books again. Try Mr. Encyclopedia for starters. :)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jesus' Tomb on Larry King
Curtis, I have a former boss who recently attended a seminar (according to my old co-worker who was there) and described himself on the board as DIVINE. However, he misspelled it! LOL...life is funny.. Regards, John R. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: Curtis, How do we know that this was Jesus' tomb? Can anyone really prove it? I agree with you that this has not been proved. I don't know if it is even possible to prove it.Even if you could prove it, this wouldn't make any difference to the Christians who value faith without evidence. There are many Christians who don't believe that his body went to heaven but only his soul, so this wouldn't matter to them either. I just enjoy people discussing it. The death of Jesus was an historical fact. However, the resurrection of Jesus is based on the belief of the apostles and their followers. And their conflicting accounts in the advocacy piece, the Bible. Resurrection myths are common in lots of cultures. People love to believe that when someone dies, they are not dead. I am OK with the probability of staying dead so those ideas have little appeal for me. The Easter event is not only a commemoration of Jesus resurrection. It is also an affirmation by Christians that humans too has a stake into divinity. In a sense, Guru Dev's teachings have some similarity to the Christian dogma. I can't tell if this is a belief that you share yourself. Although I am enthusiastic about my lack of belief in Christianity or Gurus higher insights into imponderable areas of life, if it is working for you, high five man. I am saying that I don't know this stuff and I am skeptical of people who claim to. For me the human condition is becoming comfortable with the fact that we know very little about life and nothing about after death. I have my suspicions though. Regards, John R. Thanks for the friendly post. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: I saw that too and I had it on my video disc so I had Laura flapping her gums to high speed too! Funny image. I was more sympathetic to the Baptist dudes response to Cameron. I also think this is the longest of long shots. His insistence that he knew about Jesus from the Bible did make me laugh. I agree that by the time he was debating the other Bible scholar he was not as coherent. The phrase from the other scholar that statistics is counterintuitive gave me a skeptical boner. I take this kind of discussion of even the remote possibility that Jesus did not arise from his grave to be a generally good sign. This is one of the more disturbing beliefs for modern people to have for me. It means that any discussion of how they 'know this is not going to go anywhere. It is my favorite Easter joke made real: Did you hear they canceled Easter this year? No, why? They found the body. Even hearing people on popular media discuss this gives me so much pleasure. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: Larry King Live at 9:00 p.m. ET on Monday, February 26, 2007 CNN Tonight: First Lady Laura Bush! Laura Bush, from the White House, on her urgent mission to save America's women from their deadliest killer! Plus, how is her husband handling the stress of being commander in chief of an increasingly unpopular war? Then, an explosive announcement today by 'Titanic' director James Cameron that's setting off passionate debate among Christians around the world! Have they found the tomb where Jesus was buried? James Cameron claims the tomb may have held Jesus' bones - and evidence Jesus had a son! But, if Jesus was resurrected would there even be earthly remains? The debate heats up! I'm watching my recording of this show. I can't report any impressions of Laura Bush other than the hilarity of funny how her flapping lips look when fast-forwarded, but I'm now watching the segment on Jim Cameron and Simcha Jacobovici and their film. T'would seem that the DNA evidence they quote indicates that the body in the tomb marked 'Jesus' and the body in the tomb marked 'Mary Amene' (Mary Magdalene) are not related by DNA matrilinearly. Therefore, if they are buried in the same family tomb, it is likely that they were married. The statistical evidence they seem to rely on is just that. If one were to be on a crowded street in ancient Jerusalem and call out the name Jesus, there is a 4%
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Ice Storm Disrupts Dome Attendance/Market Plunges'
Robert Gimbel wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert Gimbel wrote: Does anyone else feel there may be a correspondence?. - Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. ROTFL! No! Thanks for the open-mindedness... Thanks for the benefit of the doubt... Thanks for the fill in the blank_ I think it would be megalomaniac or delusional to believe that a reduced dome attendance could cause such an effect.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Poor gullible morons at TM-Free Blog.............
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think we may be saying similar things. I am just saying it all unfolds naturally. There is no need to take ownership of the process. Even the free will you speak of is something that is expressed naturally in activity as a result of the benefits and insights gained through meditation. My view on all of this is exceedingly simple- I act, and through the fruits of my actions I know what to do next. From one moment to the next. No adherence to anything except the alternation of activity with TM is needed. All the rest comes and goes as it should, ever improving skill in action. Probably, it would be interesting to do a study on TM and the role of Religion. I would conclude that what unfolds naturally is your realization that you need to practice Religion...hee, hee.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lunar Eclipse March 3rd
I thought that it occurs in Mercury so doesn't it affect Mercury? I have exalted mercury, my yoga karaka something or other. Plus mercury is retrograde. I do not necessarily find that mercury retrograde is a bad thing. I have signed contracts during periods of retrograde that I felt had good results. Now we will have an eclipse in mercury.?? In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also Holi and the eclipse coincide this time. Two for the price of one! :) Vaj wrote: If you're initiated into certain practices (e.g. certain forms of Tara, etc.) their influence is magnified many times. It's fun taking your mala outside and practicing while you watch--esp. with a group of friends. Even if you don't believe there's anything to it, it's expanding to participate in cosmic events. On Feb 28, 2007, at 2:06 AM, m2smart4u2000 wrote: What is the affect jyotish wise? isn't it occurring in mercury? I thought it was a good time to have a yagya???
[FairfieldLife] Illuminati campaign re-.launched? (was TM-Terrorists or just sad cases?)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Many years ago I heard an expression; 'If I could find an open mind I'd get some sin and drop it in'. I was horrified, I have never had any use for concepts such as 'sin' or 'evil'. However, over the years I met several people who seemed to be suffering from mental illness, and heard such mental ill health connected with the devil. I never took such comments seriously. Yet more recently I have heard terrorists being branded 'evil', but still I resisted the term. That is until I read the poison penned letters of a couple of respondents addressed to me at FFL. I ended the day feeling that I had encountered pure evil. It was a feeling not a thought. I could feel the poison, it endured for most of the night. It was clearly not light that they had showered me with!! These posters and others of their ilk, who pose as supporters of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi yet post malevolent attacks on others, is it really possible that they actually practice TM? No, I don't think so. Do you guys get paid by the hour or day to do whatever it is you are doing?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jesus' Tomb on Larry King
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 28, 2007, at 1:18 PM, authfriend wrote: You mean Mary Magdalene? How does she get toasted? By whom? Obviously not by Jesus, to whom she may very well have been married. She's the one to whom Jesus appears in the garden after he's crucified, the one who brings the news of the resurrection to the other disciples. She's sometimes referred to as the apostle to the apostles because of this. That was his mother Mary. Er, no, it was Mary Magdalene. She's a *saint*, fer pete's sake, with her own feast day. She's clearly on a lower status than the Virgin Mary, Well, of course she is. sometimes being all but called a prostitute. All but called a prostitute? There's a long tradition (not biblical) that she had indeed been a prostitute before encountering Jesus. But that makes her a poster child for repentance. Christianity through the years seems to have all but denied her existence. Actually not. She's always been a prominent figure in Christianity. She has her own cults and her own churches. Her importance--she was probably one of the leaders of the early church-- has been downplayed, but her existence certainly hasn't been denied. How many Renaissance paintings, for instance, feature her, Quite a few, actually. and how many feature his mother? There's really no question who is the more revered. Of course, but I wasn't questioning that, now, was I? Jeepers, there you go again, Sal. As to paintings, check this page out: http://www.oceanru.com/magdalene/ Of course there are more paintings of Mary the mother of Jesus than there are of Mary Magdalene, but there are plenty of her. If you haven't noticed this, Judy, I guess you haven't been paying attention. Sal, you keep doing this to yourself. You think it was Jesus' mother who saw Jesus in the garden after his crucifixion and brought the news of his resurrection to the disciples, and *I'm* the one who hasn't been paying attention?? Time to hit the books again. Try Mr. Encyclopedia for starters. :) Yeah, try Mr. Bible, babe.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Poor gullible morons at TM-Free Blog.............
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Magoo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I would conclude that what unfolds naturally is your realization that you need to practice Religion...hee, hee. Yes, I totally agree! A rediscovery of religious values. It is good for a laugh, huh? --that we go the lng way around and end up at the place we were taught to follow as kids but couldn't reach...Didn't MMY say something about this, that religions speak about all of these exalted values but no longer provide any way to 'get there' (and TM fills that gap)?
[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL used to be such an intelligent reasonable sort of group....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 28, 2007, at 8:21 AM, Paul Mason wrote: Many years ago I heard an expression, 'If I could find an open mind I'd get some sin and drop it in'. I was horrified, I have never had any use for concepts such as sin or evil. However, over the years I have met the occasional person who seemed to be suffering from mental illness, and on occasion heard such suffering connected with the devil and being evil. I never took such comments seriously. That is until I read the poison penned letters of a couple of respondents on FFL and I ended the day pondering as to whether I had encountered pure evil. Is it actually possible that they are practising TM? I don't think so. Some people DO develop meditational disorders Paul and these do manifest in a variety of ways. They actually are more common in mass meditation methods like TM because there is no individualized methods given to correct problems before or after they arise. These disorders are often exacerbated by situations where people are told to continue meditating rather than applying an antidote or where purification is skipped. It is a very sad thing to see. Physical abuse, even broken ones, heal slowly over time. Internal abuse can be even more insidious and be much longer lasting. Paul puts the ball exactly where Vaj needs in order to make him believe he will make a home run. Advice: change script writer - the way you guys coach each other makes your propaganda piece boring.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lunar Eclipse March 3rd
Sounds like you need a basic astrology course. Events don't happen *in* a planet, they happen in a sign. The eclipse will happen when the Moon is opposite the Sun and near Ketu the south node in Leo via sidereal astrology. The Sun rules Leo not Mercury unless you are using western astrology and then it occurs in Virgo which *is* ruled by Mercury. m2smart4u2000 wrote: I thought that it occurs in Mercury so doesn't it affect Mercury? I have exalted mercury, my yoga karaka something or other. Plus mercury is retrograde. I do not necessarily find that mercury retrograde is a bad thing. I have signed contracts during periods of retrograde that I felt had good results. Now we will have an eclipse in mercury.?? In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also Holi and the eclipse coincide this time. Two for the price of one! :) Vaj wrote: If you're initiated into certain practices (e.g. certain forms of Tara, etc.) their influence is magnified many times. It's fun taking your mala outside and practicing while you watch--esp. with a group of friends. Even if you don't believe there's anything to it, it's expanding to participate in cosmic events. On Feb 28, 2007, at 2:06 AM, m2smart4u2000 wrote: What is the affect jyotish wise? isn't it occurring in mercury? I thought it was a good time to have a yagya???
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jesus' Tomb on Larry King
For all your Christian iconography needs: http://tinyurl.com/jw4fb --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I really enjoyed that Sal! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Feb 28, 2007, at 11:37 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote: I take this kind of discussion of even the remote possibility that Jesus did not arise from his grave to be a generally good sign. This is one of the more disturbing beliefs for modern people to have for me. I've pretty much always figured that the Resurrection referred to Jesus' spirit, and that what actually happened to his body was more or less inconsequential. Obviously, that's incorrect but since I'm not Christian it's not anything I've ever thought about in much detail. It just seems to make so much more sense, faith-wise, than him hopping on some sort of cosmic elevator after his death. Then again, I've never understood the whole Trinity 3-for-the-price-of-one concept either. If Jesus really was the cosmic man-for-all-seasons the NT claims he was, wouldn't he embrace the spiritual aspect himself, w/o needing the Holy Ghost (whoever that is--I hope his name isn't Casper) as some kind of cosmic stand- in? And then there's the 2 Marys. How the heck does the one who was pregnant before she got married, and then proceeded to have 4 or 5 more kids, get venerated as a virgin, even after all the kids--while the one who was a devoted follower of Jesus and whose name is not connected with any man at all, get toasted? It's all totally beyond me. It means that any discussion of how they 'know this is not going to go anywhere. It is my favorite Easter joke made real: Did you hear they canceled Easter this year? No, why? They found the body.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Illuminati campaign re-.launched? (was TM-Terrorists or just sad cases?)
These posters and others of their ilk, who pose as supporters of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi yet post malevolent attacks on others, is it really possible that they actually practice TM? No, I don't think so. Do you guys get paid by the hour or day to do whatever it is you are doing? This white trash are fulltimers. Fulltimers have before tried physically to get rid of MMY, be it guns or bombs. They failed. They will fail in this assult also. Again and again they are exposed as the simpleton fools they are.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jesus' Tomb on Larry King
On Feb 28, 2007, at 2:30 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: For all your Christian iconography needs: http://tinyurl.com/jw4fb I don't care if it rains or freezes... My personal favorite: attachment: tn11636.jpg St. Clare - Patron Saint of Television item 11636 $4.95 ea. Curtis, this one might be useful: attachment: tn11647.jpg St. Vivian - Patron Saint of Hangovers item 11647 $4.95 ea. And for all that French cheese Barry probably has sitting around: attachment: tn11343.jpg Jesus Air Freshener item 11343 Set of 3. $4.95 And for all of us in a few years: attachment: tnM5875.jpg Bible Bingo item M5875 $4.95 ea.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL used to be such an intelligent reasonable sort of group....
--- peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] Question. (1) Is Paul Mason a demon, or in league with demonic forces? (2) Does he deserve to burn in Hell for writing what he has written on TM-Free and on FFL? (3) If your answer to either 1 or 2 is Yes, why should anyone believe that the person *you* rely on as some sort of authority has any credence whatsoever? (1) Ask him. (2) This is what will happen: when the entity residing inside Paul Mason leaves the body, that entity will once again find itself summoned to the local reincarnation board where it will view a re-run of its last incarnation, and do so in a light that will probably be quite different form the way it sees it now. Thus debriefed, and have recognized any particular actions it feels it could have done differently, time has arrived to choose next incarnation and the candidate is presented with a number of alternative mostly-scripted roles it can play next time around (each typically having a mix of so-called good and bad karma, to balance the overall karmic load of the entity). If, at this board, it becomes evident that the entity in question has been into some pretty dark stuff, it may be offered the opportunity to immediately start to re-balance this particular karmic debt, perhaps by choosing an existence as as lab test animal - or whatever. And when the same happens to Peterklutz he will be given the option of being an arrogant asshole or being a flesh-eating dictator in some godforsaken hell deep in the African jungle. But since he is already experiencing the full blossoming of one of these lifes, he will be forced to choose the other. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. http://videogames.yahoo.com/platform?platform=120121
[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason credibility doubtful - Allahabad U claims MMY an alumus
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Paul Mason's credibility is doubtful. Biographical authors are afforded a high degree of confidence by readers. Abuse of that confidence leads to rapid evaporation of credibility. Paul has not addressed the following: Message#131784- Mainstream said: Please refresh my outlook about why Paul Mason's credibility should not be damaged. His answer to the question of MMY's educational background damages Mr. Mason's credibility tremendously. from FFL #131770: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Turquoise, I thought I'd pop back to get a rain check on my posting yesterday and the first post I saw was yours. The odd thing is that I haven't really said anything at http://tmfree.blogspot.com/ that should upset anyone. After three and a half decades of research on the topic, I just distilled a few points, that must be common knowledge to those posting on FFL. Surely? I was surprised anyone responded to it actually. As for the idea of me being damaged. Well I can only use Maharishi's excellent analogy, that one's vision is determined by the tint of the glasses one wears. If I am being perceived as damaged, then perhaps they need to refresh their outlook. From TM-free blog, 2/16/07 - Maharishi...Separating Fact from Fiction, by Paul Mason: Q. It is claimed that the benefit of the Maharishi's teaching can be proved scientifically? Certainly, he holds a master's degree in physics doesn't he?' A. It has not been established that Mahesh attended a university let alone whether he was awarded a degree, in any subject. from FFL#131761 See the 7th entry on this page: http://www.allduniv.edu/hostels/gnjha/gnjha_alumni.htm (From Allahabad University website) 'Allahabad University has always occupied an esteemed place among the universities of India for over a century now. Established on 23rd September 1887, it is the fourth oldest university of India after Calcutta, Bombay and Madras University.' Distinguished Alumni (of Allahabad University) Sri Gopal Swarup Pathak Former Vice President of India Sri Dharamvir Former Governor of West Bengal and Karnataka Dr. L.M. Singhavi Former High Commissioner of India to Great Britain Dr. Subhash C. Kashyap Former Secretary General, Lok Sabha Sri Ram Nivas Mirdha Former Cabinet Minister, Union of India Sri Jagdish Swarup Pathak Former Chief Justice of Himachal Pradesh High Court Sri M.C. Srivastava (Universally known as Maharishi Mahesh Yogi) Forget this fellow, this lowlife, white trash Paul Mason. He is a crook. All he wants is to become famous by writing about famous people. He is without qualities; he would not survive in a normal society where none was to trash.
[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL used to be such an intelligent reasonable sort of group....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Paul Mason wrote: Many years ago I heard an expression, 'If I could find an open mind I'd get some sin and drop it in'. I was horrified, I have never had any use for concepts such as sin or evil. However, over the years I have met the occasional person who seemed to be suffering from mental illness, and on occasion heard such suffering connected with the devil and being evil. I never took such comments seriously. That is until I read the poison penned letters of a couple of respondents on FFL and I ended the day pondering as to whether I had encountered pure evil. Is it actually possible that they are practising TM? I don't think so. My joke name for this group is the Funny Farm Lounge. :) Farout Fringe Lunatics
[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL used to be such an intelligent reasonable sort of group....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: [snip] Question. (1) Is Paul Mason a demon, or in league with demonic forces? (2) Does he deserve to burn in Hell for writing what he has written on TM-Free and on FFL? (3) If your answer to either 1 or 2 is Yes, why should anyone believe that the person *you* rely on as some sort of authority has any credence whatsoever? (1) Ask him. (2) This is what will happen: when the entity residing inside Paul Mason leaves the body, that entity will once again find itself summoned to the local reincarnation board where it will view a re-run of its last incarnation, and do so in a light that will probably be quite different form the way it sees it now. Thus debriefed, and have recognized any particular actions it feels it could have done differently, time has arrived to choose next incarnation and the candidate is presented with a number of alternative mostly-scripted roles it can play next time around (each typically having a mix of so-called good and bad karma, to balance the overall karmic load of the entity). If, at this board, it becomes evident that the entity in question has been into some pretty dark stuff, it may be offered the opportunity to immediately start to re-balance this particular karmic debt, perhaps by choosing an existence as as lab test animal - or whatever. That's an interesting statement. To insult a Master of our Age in such a systematic way as this lowlife existence Paul Mason does is carmically troublesome. A fact he sees in his naive existence to be of no problem. Having no detailed information about these issues; might I suggest he being reborn as a hog in Iran ?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Poor gullible morons at TM-Free Blog.............
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusos108 nablusos108@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Magoo wgm4u@ wrote: snip I would conclude that what unfolds naturally is your realization that you need to practice Religion...hee, hee. Yes, I totally agree! A rediscovery of religious values. It is good for a laugh, huh? --that we go the lng way around and end up at the place we were taught to follow as kids but couldn't reach...Didn't MMY say something about this, that religions speak about all of these exalted values but no longer provide any way to 'get there' (and TM fills that gap)? That's right. Living CC is living the will of God. I find it utterly fascinating and fulfilling that all of these religious, spiritual and divine ideas are endlessly discussed from a waking state perspective, going in every direction, and then through the the quiet majesty of TM, we begin to actually live the genesis of all of these ideas, directly understanding the entire field of human knowledge. The embodiment of *fun* itself! If it was not fun Jim, hundreds of thousands of people around this Earth would not be practising TM. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Poor gullible morons at TM-Free Blog.............
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusos108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusos108 nablusos108@ wrote: Conquering this 'foe' therefore is the first step in spiritual progress and is referred to as 'Yama'...or brahamacharya (celibacy) in Patanjali's eight limbs of Yoga. The question is when on our journey do we confront the 'dweller on the threshold'? We don't. That's for other traditions of warriors. We are not on that path. We simply transcend that and comes out in the other end, transformed. Where is the starting point from which to measure our First Step in spiritual progress? When you felt some rest after meditation. Nothing flashy, simple. That's when the fun begins :-) It can be seen that way also, anmd I appreciate your emphasis on the effortlessness of it all. I was responding specifically to Mr. Magoo's statement about the state of brahmacharya and what my (im) personal experience has been. Your expression is probably more accurate overall though. To be a Brahmachary is also a very simple and effective way. I'm not convinced that to be a Bramachary is a state. More like a important foundation for further growth. But not much worth without Transcending also. High thinking and simple living is a good thing :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Ice Storm Disrupts Dome Attendance/Market Plunges'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert Gimbel wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Robert Gimbel wrote: Does anyone else feel there may be a correspondence?. - Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. ROTFL! No! Thanks for the open-mindedness... Thanks for the benefit of the doubt... Thanks for the fill in the blank_ I think it would be megalomaniac or delusional to believe that a reduced dome attendance could cause such an effect. *** Well, market pundits certainly do not know why the market crashed: http://www.salon.com/tech/htww/index.html Stock market mayhem: Look out below! Would it be more or less reassuring to know exactly why the U.S. stock market plummeted Tuesday, with the Dow Jones industrial average dropping 415 points, or 3 percent of its value? In the press coverage of Tuesday's market correction, traders and analysts cited a variety of reasons for the abrupt fall. The massive plunge of the overheated Chinese stock market. The unexpectedly large decline in durable orders -- an economic indicator that measures the economy's appetite for significant manufactured goods like Boeing 747s. The assassination attempt on Dick Cheney in Afghanistan. Alan Greenspan's mention of the word recession on Monday. The renewed climb of crude oil prices. There has also been plenty of nervousness about trouble in the subprime lending market, and a general sense that the market, which has been routinely hitting high marks, was due for a reset. This is known as the kitchen-sink explanation for market behavior. Or, in other words, we really don't have a clue why the market spooked. Early reports are saying that the Dow's 550-point midday plunge marked the worst day for U.S. markets since Sept. 17, 2001. That debacle, in contrast, was easy to explain -- it was the first day of trading after Sept. 11. After the worst terrorist attack on U.S. soil in history, aimed dead center at the very heart of American finance, few people were surprised that the stock market immediately collapsed. From that perspective, Tuesday's drop almost seems more alarming -- because the lack of a single all-explanatory factor suggests that traders and investors are in a state of deep nervousness over where the economy is headed, and they are ready to bolt for the exits at a moment's notice. All it took was a discouraging word from Greenspan, a meltdown in Shanghai and a suicide bomber in Afghanistan, and they were off! But you never know. On Wednesday traders looking for bargains could swoop back in, and few market observers would be surprised to see a sudden lunge back up. Certainly, if you look at a chart of the Dow over the last five years, you will see little reason for pessimism. Sure, there have been some minor setbacks along the way, but the overall trend line has been up, up, up. How much can you complain when your correction comes after a record high? A more somber interpretation would be that this break recognizes that the business cycle is reaching an inflection point, that a recession is on the way, and a bear market is now upon us. The beginning of a real bear market on Wall Street, coming on the heels of the weak housing sector, and with oil prices once again on the move, could signal serious economic trouble ahead. When the value of shares keeps rising, all kind of things become possible, but it's a whole different story when the direction headed is down. That is when weak Wall Street financial players get weeded out, and cracks in the overall structure of the system get exposed. If the proliferation of hedge funds dealing in exotic derivatives has miscalculated the amount of risk that they are exposed to, then Tuesday's sell-off could just be the beginning of a long-feared shakeout. I imagine that there will be more than a few people having trouble sleeping tonight in New York City. -- Andrew Leonard
[FairfieldLife] Nablusos 108....... advocates brutal dictatorships
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusos108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusos108 nablusos108@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo richardhughes103@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: Maharishi seems to denounce democracy. ( Damn Democracy ) I will never accept this, until I see a bunch of people literally flying through the air spreading flowers of bliss. Until then, I will never give up on democracy (and that is nothing to do with Bush's ignorant redneck understanding of the issuejust to be clear for you Busheep warmonger retards) Where do you stand? Make your case. And...please...don't give us some BS about enlightened Kings. Until they are floating through the air dropping gold and bliss honey on everyone, they are just dead men walking. Where do you stand on democracy? Let us know Watch this first for inspiration, edification, and grist for the mill: http://www.youtube.com/watch? v=YqCW3d63ug8mode=relatedsearch= OffWorld Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely. One of the scariest/funniest things anyone ever said to me was that the best ruler for any country is the person with the most coherent brainwaves I had to interogate him for a while to make sure he was serious (he was!) Let's stick with democracy to keep nutters like this out of high office, especially if they insist on wearing little gold crowns. Now, what democratic country is truly democratic ? And what democratic country is not under the spell of a destructive capitalism and marketforces ? In what democratic country do not people live in the streets or go hungry ? I think Maharishi is correct in his analysis. Democracy as we know it has to go, just as capatalism will, and recently, communism. The little ones in charge of each country must and will be replaced by humans with more coherent brainwaves. And international forums such as the UN, and possibly a World Government will have to take more of the national resposebilities so poorly administrated by fools in every government. Just as Maharishi has predicted. So are you saying that the leaders will be replaced by democratic means or other means? Which such means? And once the 'enlightened' ones are in power are they are going to do away with democracy? Not on my watch bro. OffWorld You are not my bro. You are a simpelton. Avoiding answering the questions are you, because YOU DO NOT have the answers. Your argument is pathetic. My name is Tom Barlow. I live in Vermont. I have 4 Masters degrees. I am a professor. What do you do? Do you want to meet me and say that to my face? What is your name? Where do you live? Only cowards can't back up their arguments, and resort to pathetic insults. What is your name? I'd like to watch you say that insult to my face, or are you a coward. Now try answering the question instead of resorting to ad hominem attacks. QUESTIONS: Are you saying that the leaders will be replaced with 'enlightened' leaders by democratic means or other means? Which such means? And once the 'enlightened' ones are in power are they are going to do away with democracy? OffWorld You do not even understand the simplest of thoughts. No more soup for you !
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Ice Storm Disrupts Dome Attendance/Market Plunges'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert Gimbel wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Robert Gimbel wrote: Does anyone else feel there may be a correspondence?. - Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. ROTFL! No! Thanks for the open-mindedness... Thanks for the benefit of the doubt... Thanks for the fill in the blank_ I think it would be megalomaniac or delusional to believe that a reduced dome attendance could cause such an effect. *** Well, market pundits certainly do not know why the market crashed: http://www.salon.com/tech/htww/index.html Stock market mayhem: Look out below! Would it be more or less reassuring to know exactly why the U.S. stock market plummeted Tuesday, with the Dow Jones industrial average dropping 415 points, or 3 percent of its value? In the press coverage of Tuesday's market correction, traders and analysts cited a variety of reasons for the abrupt fall. The massive plunge of the overheated Chinese stock market. The unexpectedly large decline in durable orders -- an economic indicator that measures the economy's appetite for significant manufactured goods like Boeing 747s. The assassination attempt on Dick Cheney in Afghanistan. Alan Greenspan's mention of the word recession on Monday. The renewed climb of crude oil prices. There has also been plenty of nervousness about trouble in the subprime lending market, and a general sense that the market, which has been routinely hitting high marks, was due for a reset. This is known as the kitchen-sink explanation for market behavior. Or, in other words, we really don't have a clue why the market spooked. Early reports are saying that the Dow's 550-point midday plunge marked the worst day for U.S. markets since Sept. 17, 2001. That debacle, in contrast, was easy to explain -- it was the first day of trading after Sept. 11. After the worst terrorist attack on U.S. soil in history, aimed dead center at the very heart of American finance, few people were surprised that the stock market immediately collapsed. From that perspective, Tuesday's drop almost seems more alarming -- because the lack of a single all-explanatory factor suggests that traders and investors are in a state of deep nervousness over where the economy is headed, and they are ready to bolt for the exits at a moment's notice. All it took was a discouraging word from Greenspan, a meltdown in Shanghai and a suicide bomber in Afghanistan, and they were off! But you never know. On Wednesday traders looking for bargains could swoop back in, and few market observers would be surprised to see a sudden lunge back up. Certainly, if you look at a chart of the Dow over the last five years, you will see little reason for pessimism. Sure, there have been some minor setbacks along the way, but the overall trend line has been up, up, up. How much can you complain when your correction comes after a record high? A more somber interpretation would be that this break recognizes that the business cycle is reaching an inflection point, that a recession is on the way, and a bear market is now upon us. The beginning of a real bear market on Wall Street, coming on the heels of the weak housing sector, and with oil prices once again on the move, could signal serious economic trouble ahead. When the value of shares keeps rising, all kind of things become possible, but it's a whole different story when the direction headed is down. That is when weak Wall Street financial players get weeded out, and cracks in the overall structure of the system get exposed. If the proliferation of hedge funds dealing in exotic derivatives has miscalculated the amount of risk that they are exposed to, then Tuesday's sell-off could just be the beginning of a long-feared shakeout. I imagine that there will be more than a few people having trouble sleeping tonight in New York City. -- Andrew Leonard
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lunar Eclipse March 3rd
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, m2smart4u2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is the affect jyotish wise? isn't it occurring in mercury? I thought it was a good time to have a yagya *** It's possibly said to be a good time to have a yagya only because eclipses of any sort are inauspicious in Jyotish. Astrologer David Hawthorne says the following about the lunar eclipse, which may or may not be consistent with what Maharishi Jyotishis say: Planetary Transits for March 1 March 7 Sun transits Aquarius, from 16:18 to 23:19°, closely conjunct Rahu, under the aspect of Ketu until March 11. Watch for major news regarding political leaders and governments. Take care of your father and husband, and be careful with your blood pressure. Moon transits Cancer, Leo, Virgo, and into Libra. The full Moon and a Total Lunar Eclipse are in Leo, March 3. This, the first of two total lunar eclipses in 2007, is unique because it is partly visible from every continent around the world, and may be more intense than usual due to the stationary position of the Moon's nodes, Rahu and Ketu. The total eclipse begins at 22:44 UT, the greatest eclipse is at 23:20 UT, and the total eclipse ends at 23:57 UT. For local time, subtract your time zone if west (add your time zone if east) of Greenwich, England, (e.g., six hours if you are in the Central time zone). The entire event will be visible from Europe, Africa and western Asia. In eastern North and South America the Moon will be partially or totally eclipsed at moonrise. From western North America, only the final penumbral phases are visible. Notes: It is advisable to fast or eat lightly for a few hours before and after the eclipse, and to stay indoors and rest or meditate. Additionally, the two-week period between the total lunar eclipse (March 3) and the partial solar eclipse (March 19) may be a vulnerable time. Extra care, patience and caution are strongly advised.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Poor gullible morons at TM-Free Blog.............
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusos108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusos108 nablusos108@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Magoo wgm4u@ wrote: snip I would conclude that what unfolds naturally is your realization that you need to practice Religion...hee, hee. Yes, I totally agree! A rediscovery of religious values. It is good for a laugh, huh? --that we go the lng way around and end up at the place we were taught to follow as kids but couldn't reach...Didn't MMY say something about this, that religions speak about all of these exalted values but no longer provide any way to 'get there' (and TM fills that gap)? That's right. Living CC is living the will of God. I find it utterly fascinating and fulfilling that all of these religious, spiritual and divine ideas are endlessly discussed from a waking state perspective, going in every direction, and then through the the quiet majesty of TM, we begin to actually live the genesis of all of these ideas, directly understanding the entire field of human knowledge. The embodiment of *fun* itself! If it was not fun Jim, hundreds of thousands of people around this Earth would not be practising TM. :-) Agreed- just glad I learned!
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Total Crash of Capitalism
Now that communism is gone, the next to go is capitalism Maharishi Mahesh Yogi - 1989. For more information, please see; http://www.shareintl.org
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lunar Eclipse March 3rd
Also no watching reruns of Reno911, My Name Is Earl, or Chappelle's Show... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, m2smart4u2000 no_reply@ wrote: What is the affect jyotish wise? isn't it occurring in mercury? I thought it was a good time to have a yagya *** It's possibly said to be a good time to have a yagya only because eclipses of any sort are inauspicious in Jyotish. Astrologer David Hawthorne says the following about the lunar eclipse, which may or may not be consistent with what Maharishi Jyotishis say: Planetary Transits for March 1 March 7 Sun transits Aquarius, from 16:18 to 23:19°, closely conjunct Rahu, under the aspect of Ketu until March 11. Watch for major news regarding political leaders and governments. Take care of your father and husband, and be careful with your blood pressure. Moon transits Cancer, Leo, Virgo, and into Libra. The full Moon and a Total Lunar Eclipse are in Leo, March 3. This, the first of two total lunar eclipses in 2007, is unique because it is partly visible from every continent around the world, and may be more intense than usual due to the stationary position of the Moon's nodes, Rahu and Ketu. The total eclipse begins at 22:44 UT, the greatest eclipse is at 23:20 UT, and the total eclipse ends at 23:57 UT. For local time, subtract your time zone if west (add your time zone if east) of Greenwich, England, (e.g., six hours if you are in the Central time zone). The entire event will be visible from Europe, Africa and western Asia. In eastern North and South America the Moon will be partially or totally eclipsed at moonrise. From western North America, only the final penumbral phases are visible. Notes: It is advisable to fast or eat lightly for a few hours before and after the eclipse, and to stay indoors and rest or meditate. Additionally, the two-week period between the total lunar eclipse (March 3) and the partial solar eclipse (March 19) may be a vulnerable time. Extra care, patience and caution are strongly advised.
[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL used to be such an intelligent reasonable sort of group....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fairfield Life, meet representative TM practitioners Nablusos, Peter Klutz, Judy Stein, and Jim Flanegin. How proud do they make you of your spiritual heritage with TM and Maharishi, eh? Have you started an enemies list like Richard Nixon did?
[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL used to be such an intelligent reasonable sort of group....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Fairfield Life, meet representative TM practitioners Nablusos, Peter Klutz, Judy Stein, and Jim Flanegin. How proud do they make you of your spiritual heritage with TM and Maharishi, eh? Have you started an enemies list like Richard Nixon did? No. I use the one that the CIA and the Freemasons provided me with. You weren't on it until the last few months, and then they must've realized that you were dangerous. Remember, Jim, the more you say here on Fairfield Life that expresses your mindless adoration of TM and Maharishi and that puts down their horrible, terrible enemies, the safer you'll be. Lay low and keep quiet like Lawson has wisely been doing lately and they might get you. Better to err on the side of saying too much than too little...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Ice Storm Disrupts Dome Attendance/Market Plunges'
bob_brigante wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert Gimbel wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Robert Gimbel wrote: Does anyone else feel there may be a correspondence?. - Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. ROTFL! No! Thanks for the open-mindedness... Thanks for the benefit of the doubt... Thanks for the fill in the blank_ I think it would be megalomaniac or delusional to believe that a reduced dome attendance could cause such an effect. *** Well, market pundits certainly do not know why the market crashed: http://www.salon.com/tech/htww/index.html Stock market mayhem: Look out below! Would it be more or less reassuring to know exactly why the U.S. stock market plummeted Tuesday, with the Dow Jones industrial average dropping 415 points, or 3 percent of its value? In the press coverage of Tuesday's market correction, traders and analysts cited a variety of reasons for the abrupt fall. The massive plunge of the overheated Chinese stock market. The unexpectedly large decline in durable orders -- an economic indicator that measures the economy's appetite for significant manufactured goods like Boeing 747s. The assassination attempt on Dick Cheney in Afghanistan. Alan Greenspan's mention of the word recession on Monday. The renewed climb of crude oil prices. There has also been plenty of nervousness about trouble in the subprime lending market, and a general sense that the market, which has been routinely hitting high marks, was due for a reset. This is known as the kitchen-sink explanation for market behavior. Or, in other words, we really don't have a clue why the market spooked. Early reports are saying that the Dow's 550-point midday plunge marked the worst day for U.S. markets since Sept. 17, 2001. That debacle, in contrast, was easy to explain -- it was the first day of trading after Sept. 11. After the worst terrorist attack on U.S. soil in history, aimed dead center at the very heart of American finance, few people were surprised that the stock market immediately collapsed. From that perspective, Tuesday's drop almost seems more alarming -- because the lack of a single all-explanatory factor suggests that traders and investors are in a state of deep nervousness over where the economy is headed, and they are ready to bolt for the exits at a moment's notice. All it took was a discouraging word from Greenspan, a meltdown in Shanghai and a suicide bomber in Afghanistan, and they were off! But you never know. On Wednesday traders looking for bargains could swoop back in, and few market observers would be surprised to see a sudden lunge back up. Certainly, if you look at a chart of the Dow over the last five years, you will see little reason for pessimism. Sure, there have been some minor setbacks along the way, but the overall trend line has been up, up, up. How much can you complain when your correction comes after a record high? A more somber interpretation would be that this break recognizes that the business cycle is reaching an inflection point, that a recession is on the way, and a bear market is now upon us. The beginning of a real bear market on Wall Street, coming on the heels of the weak housing sector, and with oil prices once again on the move, could signal serious economic trouble ahead. When the value of shares keeps rising, all kind of things become possible, but it's a whole different story when the direction headed is down. That is when weak Wall Street financial players get weeded out, and cracks in the overall structure of the system get exposed. If the proliferation of hedge funds dealing in exotic derivatives has miscalculated the amount of risk that they are exposed to, then Tuesday's sell-off could just be the beginning of a long-feared shakeout. I imagine that there will be more than a few people having trouble sleeping tonight in New York City. -- Andrew Leonard The Chinese are just as guilty as folks in the US a few years ago when everyone was riding high on the tech stocks bubble. No matter how much you warn them I'm sure Chinese folks are leveraging themselves to the hilt. The same thing has been happening in India. Even Greenspan spoke of the irrational exuberance over the tech bubble back then. Yesterday was a wake-up call to what goes up must come down. The US economy is way out of whack and will get a correction. It will not be pleasant. Yesterday I was talking to some real estate agents who spoke about how wild it was around here in the real estate market.
[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL used to be such an intelligent reasonable sort of group....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Fairfield Life, meet representative TM practitioners Nablusos, Peter Klutz, Judy Stein, and Jim Flanegin. How proud do they make you of your spiritual heritage with TM and Maharishi, eh? Have you started an enemies list like Richard Nixon did? Gosh, and I guess Barry's changed his state of attention again. Just this morning, you and I weren't in the same category as Peter and Nablusos.
[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL used to be such an intelligent reasonable sort of group....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip As Jim Cameron demonstrated so perfectly on Larry King yesterday, and as has been demonstrated here on this group so well recently, the secret to dealing with crazies like this is to push their buttons and then just sit back and let them talk. Fairfield Life, meet representative TM practitioners Nablusos, Peter Klutz, Judy Stein, and Jim Flanegin. How proud do they make you of your spiritual heritage with TM and Maharishi, eh? Just in case anyone hasn't figured this out already, this is the latest of Barry's attempts to intimidate TM supporters (the folks he calls the interlopers) on this forum into shutting up. None of the many approaches he's tried so far has worked--nor will this one, of course--but you have to admire his persistence, in a horrible sort of way. Wonder what he'll try next? Stay tuned!
[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL used to be such an intelligent reasonable sort of group....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Fairfield Life, meet representative TM practitioners Nablusos, Peter Klutz, Judy Stein, and Jim Flanegin. How proud do they make you of your spiritual heritage with TM and Maharishi, eh? Have you started an enemies list like Richard Nixon did? No. I use the one that the CIA and the Freemasons provided me with. You weren't on it until the last few months, and then they must've realized that you were dangerous. Remember, Jim, the more you say here on Fairfield Life that expresses your mindless adoration of TM and Maharishi and that puts down their horrible, terrible enemies, the safer you'll be. Lay low and keep quiet like Lawson has wisely been doing lately and they might get you. Better to err on the side of saying too much than too little... Note that Barry's got his fantasies a little mixed up here. He meant to write, Better to err on the side of saying too little than too much...
[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL used to be such an intelligent reasonable sort of group....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip As Jim Cameron demonstrated so perfectly on Larry King yesterday, and as has been demonstrated here on this group so well recently, the secret to dealing with crazies like this is to push their buttons and then just sit back and let them talk. Fairfield Life, meet representative TM practitioners Nablusos, Peter Klutz, Judy Stein, and Jim Flanegin. How proud do they make you of your spiritual heritage with TM and Maharishi, eh? Just in case anyone hasn't figured this out already, this is the latest of Barry's attempts to intimidate TM supporters (the folks he calls the interlopers) on this forum into shutting up. None of the many approaches he's tried so far has worked--nor will this one, of course--but you have to admire his persistence, in a horrible sort of way. Wonder what he'll try next? Stay tuned! I swear, I wrote this *before* I read Barry's latest post. (Yes, Barry, I know you thought you were doing satire in that post.)
[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL used to be such an intelligent reasonable sort of g.= stuck shakti
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What often happens is stress gets released but owing to the nervous system doesn't get all the way out. Then you stuck shakti. Continuing to meditate when this occurs exacerbates the situation and creates a backup or log jam of sorts. Instead the stress should be allowed to come out of the system. Doing some asanas can help. Often when the stress comes out the individual may well experience some transcendence without having meditated! ... you're on the right track, here, BUT, just Doing some asanas may not be enough. And, some TMers may be getting too old for asanas, etc. MMY explained on TTC, that a blockage of stress, depending on its size, can take anywhere from a few minutes ( to release during meditation ) upto 30 years or more. He didn't say and nobody dared to ask what more meant. Perhaps a lifetime or lifetimes? The problem with the Checking Notes is that there is this gaping hole ~ what to do in case of a long term chronic blockage stuckness which may involve tension, pain, behavioral problems, etc over a long period of time. Simple repeated checking does not address this problem. And, I did address this question to MMY's EXPERT Indian Teacher Checkers at an advanced course. They had no clue. Their reply was, But you have such a beautiful smile on your face. Also, such chronic stuckness and release will flow into your daily life not just during the TMP. Perhaps, this is the reason for much of the rudness, dogmatic proclamations, etc posted in this forum. So, TM may work as advertised for some few ?lucky ones? But, like Amma says ONE WAY FOR ALL IS DANGEROUS!!! She gives an example of taking wrong medicine for an illness. This is why, in my opinion, Amma teaches everything. You choose. Of course, it's not that simple necessarily; you may need to seek out what will work for you. You may ask Amma some questions, but the inner work has to be done by you. We are all unique. Hope this is useful info for some. Amma Bless All, amar om santi, lokaha, samastaha sukhino bhavantu !
[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL used to be such an intelligent reasonable sort of g.= stuck shakti
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, amarnath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: What often happens is stress gets released but owing to the nervous system doesn't get all the way out. Then you stuck shakti. Continuing to meditate when this occurs exacerbates the situation and creates a backup or log jam of sorts. Instead the stress should be allowed to come out of the system. Doing some asanas can help. Often when the stress comes out the individual may well experience some transcendence without having meditated! ... you're on the right track, here, BUT, just Doing some asanas may not be enough. And, some TMers may be getting too old for asanas, etc. MMY explained on TTC, that a blockage of stress, depending on its size, can take anywhere from a few minutes ( to release during meditation ) upto 30 years or more. He didn't say and nobody dared to ask what more meant. Perhaps a lifetime or lifetimes? The problem with the Checking Notes is that there is this gaping hole ~ what to do in case of a long term chronic blockage stuckness which may involve tension, pain, behavioral problems, etc over a long period of time. Simple repeated checking does not address this problem. And, I did address this question to MMY's EXPERT Indian Teacher Checkers at an advanced course. They had no clue. Their reply was, But you have such a beautiful smile on your face. Also, such chronic stuckness and release will flow into your daily life not just during the TMP. Perhaps, this is the reason for much of the rudness, dogmatic proclamations, etc posted in this forum. So, TM may work as advertised for some few ?lucky ones? But, like Amma says ONE WAY FOR ALL IS DANGEROUS!!! She gives an example of taking wrong medicine for an illness. This is why, in my opinion, Amma teaches everything. You choose. Of course, it's not that simple necessarily; you may need to seek out what will work for you. You may ask Amma some questions, but the inner work has to be done by you. We are all unique. Hope this is useful info for some. Amma Bless All, amar om santi, lokaha, samastaha sukhino bhavantu ! Om Shanti. Thanks for this. TM works no better than any other technique if the inner work isn't done. Fortunately it is a great technique for revealing to us what must be done in order to continue with spiritual progress and life progress in general. I don't buy the chronic stress blockage theory, though. I think that in life in general there are things we must all deal with in order to continue our progress, whatever our path. If it is Amma or TM or Christianity or whatever, things must be dealt with, regardless. Sometimes mentally, or emotionally, morally, physically, on all levels. Often such dealings are stressful and it takes a while to work through them. Also, to suggest that certain behaviors here are the result of folks being stuck in TM related stress patterns is to me the other side of the wacky coin that attributes specific positive global or social outcomes to the Maharishi Effect (which I believe works, just not so specifically). Similar thinking. Anyway, I'm not singling you out- just addressing what struck me as a thoughtful piece of writing.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jesus' Tomb on Larry King
Sal, For Christians, the actual risen body of Jesus is very important. It shows that humans can some day do the same thing if one believes in his teachings. Stacks of theological books have been written to argue this point. Also, there are some Christian ministers who believe that Mary was a virgin when she conceived Christ. However, Mary did have other children conceived by Joseph. What's wrong with that? Regards, John R. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 28, 2007, at 11:37 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote: I take this kind of discussion of even the remote possibility that Jesus did not arise from his grave to be a generally good sign. This is one of the more disturbing beliefs for modern people to have for me. I've pretty much always figured that the Resurrection referred to Jesus' spirit, and that what actually happened to his body was more or less inconsequential. Obviously, that's incorrect but since I'm not Christian it's not anything I've ever thought about in much detail. It just seems to make so much more sense, faith-wise, than him hopping on some sort of cosmic elevator after his death. Then again, I've never understood the whole Trinity 3-for-the-price-of-one concept either. If Jesus really was the cosmic man-for-all-seasons the NT claims he was, wouldn't he embrace the spiritual aspect himself, w/o needing the Holy Ghost (whoever that is--I hope his name isn't Casper) as some kind of cosmic stand-in? And then there's the 2 Marys. How the heck does the one who was pregnant before she got married, and then proceeded to have 4 or 5 more kids, get venerated as a virgin, even after all the kids--while the one who was a devoted follower of Jesus and whose name is not connected with any man at all, get toasted? It's all totally beyond me. It means that any discussion of how they 'know this is not going to go anywhere. It is my favorite Easter joke made real: Did you hear they canceled Easter this year? No, why? They found the body.
