[FairfieldLife] Re: TIME to BAN LURK
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: Turq: I'll settle things for you. I was the biggest flamer. I scorched the earth with a couple of posts. But then I dropped it and forgot about it entirely and went out and had a really good time and never thought about it again until I logged into FFL this morning and found everyone still arguing -- and thus still *in* -- that state of attention. Lurk: I've been away for a couple days, but the above doesn't really make sense to me. I have learned that words have an impact- obviously. I take responsiblity for my words and speech, and don't feel I can disown them or their impact after they are spoken, or written. I don't think it works that way. I didn't disown anything. I said what I said. Toss my ass off the forum for a week if it'll make you feel better. Toss me off forever if it'll make you feel better. I don't care, either way, and the fact that you or anyone else still cares, and cares enough to keep beating what for me is a dead horse isn't going to make me care. There is obviously a disconnect here, so I'll try my best to explain further. Let me try to use an analogy. A cop pulls me over for speeding. He gets off his motor- cycle and walks up to my window and says, You were speeding. I say, Yes, I was. He then says, Well...aren't you going to make some excuse? I say, No. I was speeding. He then says, Well...*I* expect you to show some remorse. Otherwise I'm going to write you up for speeding. And I say, Write me up. I was speeding. But he *keeps* standing there, saying over and over, But...but...you *have* to express some remorse...that's what I *expect* when I bust someone for doing something I consider wrong. And I keep saying, Write the ticket. Write the ticket and get on with your life so I can get on with mine. Don't keep standing there demanding that I apologize to you. I have *no problem* with paying the fine. But just write the ticket and stop demanding my attention. Being booted off of Fairfield Life is the fine; indulging your or other people's desire to be apologized to isn't.
[FairfieldLife] Re: I guess this will make Shiva happy...reminds me of a
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boo_lives boo_lives@ wrote: At first, I was very annoyed about the announcement that they intended to build hundreds of these towers of invincibility around the world, at several mil a pop, which seemed only to designed to tell Bevan et al how wonderful they are, and seem foolish when many cities do not have TM centers and MUM and the M. Central University are drastically underfunded. That's certainly part of it, as there are plaques on the sides of the towers saluting TM administrators, but these are really Shiva lingams, and as a wearer of rudraksha who learned TM from a monk in the Shankara (Shiva) tradition, I can't be opposed to that. Building these towers/lingams creates auspiciousness -- doesn't matter what the ignorant public thinks one way or the other. MMY is going to create this influence of Vedic civilization, and there are not enough hillbillies in the world to stop it. http://tinyurl.com/28rojh It's not hillbillies who think it's stupid, it's anyone in touch with reality. I am laughing myself to death . This is the effect of laughter like this, the me is gone in the middle of it. I lost it when I read this one line response Hridaya I'm happy that you found reality with a guru that suggest reading material and meetings for the enlightened to stay enlightened Ron. Now that's real enlightenment, right ? ;-)
[FairfieldLife] Rising consciousness?
Here's a thought, instead of judging rising consciousness purely on what the dow jones is doing, why not judge it on how many things like this are going on. http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,2182952,00.html Surely any vaguely civilized society would have banned this a long time ago.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TIME to BAN LURK
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Write the ticket and get on with your life so I can get on with mine. Don't keep standing there demanding that I apologize to you. I have *no problem* with paying the fine. I don't really know the issue here, just out of curiosity and for the sake of the fun of it: If the fine was to apologize, what would you do? Lets say Rick says, the fine is to apologize to the person you insulted, would you be okay to say so?
[FairfieldLife] Re: TIME to BAN LURK
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Write the ticket and get on with your life so I can get on with mine. Don't keep standing there demanding that I apologize to you. I have *no problem* with paying the fine. I don't really know the issue here, just out of curiosity and for the sake of the fun of it: If the fine was to apologize, what would you do? Just for the sake of the fun of it, if a frog had wings he wouldn't bounce along on his butt when he jumped. ( And I guess the same 'what if' scenario applies to Yogic Flyers. :-) The fine *isn't* to apologize. But some people are trying to *make* that the fine. Lets say Rick says, the fine is to apologize to the person you insulted, would you be okay to say so? In this case, NO WAY. The insultee in question is still acting like the injured party here, after 1) reacting to a fairly non-controversial reacting to me presenting another side of the abortion issue that didn't quite portray the women as the thoughtless baby killers he was trying to portray them as with a personal attack on me. He suggested (and rather strongly) that the babies in question were mine, and that I was trying to talk the women into the abortion. When I reacted (and, I dare say, overreacted) to this, he followed up by trying to character- ize me as an abortion counselor, someone who actively tried to get women to consider abortions. None of this was true. It was all fantasies he'd dreamed up in his head so that he didn't have to consider the possibility that some women (and probably not all) were not the heartless baby- killers he was trying to characterize them as. So no, in this case, I do not feel any apology is in order for the gist of what I said. The *way* I said it, and my button-pushed overreaction, was definitely inappropriate. In retrospect, why on earth should I care what a person who thinks like this thinks of me. At the time, however, my but- tons definitely got pushed, and I said what I had to say in a flaming manner. If the same exchange were to happen today, I would say *exactly the same things*, but in a less personal and flaming manner. I just don't apologize for standing up for women who have been characterized unfairly by someone who has a rather judgmental and non-compassionate and one-sided way of looking at the subject. And, as I wrote about before, I just don't apolo- gize because someone is demanding it of me. So I guess the overall answer to your question is No. If Fairfield Life turned into the kind of place where people were expected to apologize for the behavior that the majority of people declared inappropriate, I would bail from it far more quickly than I bailed from the TM movement, which tried to do exactly that.
[FairfieldLife] for Nabby
I'm happy that you found reality with a guru that suggest reading material and meetings for the enlightened to stay enlightened Ron. Now that's real enlightenment, right ? ;-) The update in my path here is My Guru said there are 5 that have unfolded in Realization. Maybe it is even 6 or 7. When Sarojini came in, my Guru's comments were something like now we dont wont the mind to reroot, then she told her to read some scripture- I forget which one, but Sarojini did it immediately. I don't question too much about anything anymore, I did in the begining but it is not necessary now. why why why is not some much of interest to me, things are as they are. Main thing is - when you get there, it is never what you thought it was. My Guru and the other enlightened ones here make a lot of comments and I forward some of them on. My Guru said yesterday in trying to explain things that ounce you are there, you find it hard to believe that Maya could have ever sneaked in like this. As you know in TM, there was the reading of rig ved, 9th and 10th. In theory, one did it and either not questioned why or even if you wanted to question it, then to who? I never heard an explaination why we should read it, we were just told to do it. One in theory surrenders to the guru's instructions, along with the transmissions from the Guru, and in the end it is only grace that brings one's forward, it is not a matter of one doing something although it appears this way. Later on, instead of reading the mandalas, we listened to the chanting of them in the native language. I also for example attended the coronation ceremony for Rajaram but then also the first group of rajas. after like an hour of politics waiting outside each day, we got in ( uninvited guests numbering up to about 200). once in, when the chanting started, I went very deep for the whole 5 hours of it. I thought this is so enjoyable, this is how it should always be or maybe this is how it is going to be in the future. there was a transmission coming through with those pundits chanting. This was among the deepest I have even been to that point as a result of listening to some chanting via audio. At present, I am not with TM, I am with my new path completely. Even though only certain things carried a transmission for me in TM and to some degree, in theory, some of these things prescribed such as reading the mandalas, listening to certain chanting- may carry an extremely deep transmission that some may have had or still have. i dont know, i only know my experience with certain audio things I listened to. I was so deep in listening to them that it already was like probably hard for anyone to believe that did not have this experience. in my path now, and this is again my experience, there also are certain audios I listen to, it was done by my guru and designed to carry a transmission. The effect of it is beyond what I thought possible in that the mind can totally still. I thought back to something the late Charlie lutes said after hearing about some new machine on the market that was said to bring people along in the path. Charlie said that someone once asked MMY if it is possible to transcend using audio, then MMY closed his eyes for a while , then answered yes. Hridaya
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TIME to BAN LURK
On Oct 4, 2007, at 1:17 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: Write the ticket and get on with your life so I can get on with mine. Don't keep standing there demanding that I apologize to you. I have *no problem* with paying the fine. But just write the ticket and stop demanding my attention. Being booted off of Fairfield Life is the fine; indulging your or other people's desire to be apologized to isn't. Flawed analogy, Barry. It isn't so much what you say when a cop stops you, as what you seemed to have learned from the experience--you know, speeding can endanger your own life and that of others as well.Bet you anything if you gave the most beautiful apology in the world, but then promised to go right on speeding, you'd not only get a ticket, but probably arrested as well. You seem to feel that any concession whatsoever, even ones that make a lot of sense *as well as* making your own life easier (and safer), are somehow suspect and not worthy of a moment's reflection. I know other people who also flip off people as easily as you seem to, always imagining they're being taken advantage of, that someone else is purposely wasting their time, etc. The idea that whatever the person said was possibly warranted and not just idle blather seems never to occur to them--and they've had very unfulfilling lives as a result. BTW, I didn't see any demand for an apology. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rising consciousness?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's a thought, instead of judging rising consciousness purely on what the dow jones is doing, why not judge it on how many things like this are going on. http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,2182952,00.html Surely any vaguely civilized society would have banned this a long time ago. You mean banning capital punishment, or banning the problematic lethal-injection formula the Guardian story is reporting on? Because we *are* moving toward more humane forms of execution; and of course there is a major movement to ban it altogether that has been gaining strength. The Supreme Court decision concerning the current lethal injection formula has, in effect, imposed an unofficial moratorium on executions in the U.S., ostensibly until a more humane formula can be developed. But even a temporary moratorium gives those working for abolition of capital punishment time to bring new cases. The work of organizations like the Innocence Project in freeing people who have been unjustly convicted has shown that our judicial system is sufficiently flawed that we risk executing the innocent, and particularly those--primarily minorities--who don't have the resources to obtain good legal representation. Given the virtually insuperable difficulty of *ensuring* guilt, the argument that the death penalty effectively discriminates against low- income people is very powerful constitutionally, and may be what ultimately results in banning capital punishment altogether. In other words, progress is being made; it's just slower than it should be. And it's interesting that in this country, we're probably more likely to ban capital punishment because it's discriminatory than because it's inherently barbaric.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rising consciousness?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo richardhughes103@ wrote: Here's a thought, instead of judging rising consciousness purely on what the dow jones is doing, why not judge it on how many things like this are going on. http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,2182952,00.html Surely any vaguely civilized society would have banned this a long time ago. You mean banning capital punishment, or banning the problematic lethal-injection formula the Guardian story is reporting on? Because we *are* moving toward more humane forms of execution; and of course there is a major movement to ban it altogether that has been gaining strength. The Supreme Court decision concerning the current lethal injection formula has, in effect, imposed an unofficial moratorium on executions in the U.S., ostensibly until a more humane formula can be developed. But even a temporary moratorium gives those working for abolition of capital punishment time to bring new cases. The work of organizations like the Innocence Project in freeing people who have been unjustly convicted has shown that our judicial system is sufficiently flawed that we risk executing the innocent, and particularly those--primarily minorities--who don't have the resources to obtain good legal representation. Given the virtually insuperable difficulty of *ensuring* guilt, the argument that the death penalty effectively discriminates against low- income people is very powerful constitutionally, and may be what ultimately results in banning capital punishment altogether. Not only the death penalty, but the entire justice system discriminates against the poor (and middle class). Justice is only for the rich. Not a problem karmically, but it sure looks unfair in the shorter term. :-)
[FairfieldLife] 5,000 years of religion in 90 seconds
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[FairfieldLife] Re: TIME to BAN LURK
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Write the ticket and get on with your life so I can get on with mine. Don't keep standing there demanding that I apologize to you. I have *no problem* with paying the fine. I don't really know the issue here, just out of curiosity and for the sake of the fun of it: If the fine was to apologize, what would you do? Just for the sake of the fun of it, if a frog had wings he wouldn't bounce along on his butt when he jumped. ( And I guess the same 'what if' scenario applies to Yogic Flyers. :-) The fine *isn't* to apologize. But some people are trying to *make* that the fine. Lets say Rick says, the fine is to apologize to the person you insulted, would you be okay to say so? But the fine isn't the ultimate punishment. In the speeding analogy, if Barry doesn't apologize, he''ll be fined; but if he refuses to pay the fine, he'll be thrown in jail. On FFL, if the fine is equivalent to an apology, and he refuses to apologize, the equivalent to being thrown in jail would be to be thrown off the forum, and he's already said that would be OK with him. Barry would rather accept the ultimate punishment that Rick can impose, in other words, than apologize for an insult. Or to put it another way, it's more important to Barry to be able to freely insult people on the forum than to be able to continue to post to it. snip If Fairfield Life turned into the kind of place where people were expected to apologize for the behavior that the majority of people declared inappropriate, I would bail from it far more quickly than I bailed from the TM movement, which tried to do exactly that. After all, as Barry said about overposters; WHO CARES if they're feeling 'attacked.' That's just narcissism and self-importance, in my opinion. Using it as an excuse to be an asshole is even *more* narcissism and self-importance. Oh, wait...
[FairfieldLife] Re: I guess this will make Shiva happy...reminds me of a
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ron sidha7001@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boo_lives boo_lives@ wrote: At first, I was very annoyed about the announcement that they intended to build hundreds of these towers of invincibility around the world, at several mil a pop, which seemed only to designed to tell Bevan et al how wonderful they are, and seem foolish when many cities do not have TM centers and MUM and the M. Central University are drastically underfunded. That's certainly part of it, as there are plaques on the sides of the towers saluting TM administrators, but these are really Shiva lingams, and as a wearer of rudraksha who learned TM from a monk in the Shankara (Shiva) tradition, I can't be opposed to that. Building these towers/lingams creates auspiciousness -- doesn't matter what the ignorant public thinks one way or the other. MMY is going to create this influence of Vedic civilization, and there are not enough hillbillies in the world to stop it. http://tinyurl.com/28rojh It's not hillbillies who think it's stupid, it's anyone in touch with reality. I am laughing myself to death . This is the effect of laughter like this, the me is gone in the middle of it. I lost it when I read this one line response Hridaya I'm happy that you found reality with a guru that suggest reading material and meetings for the enlightened to stay enlightened Ron. Now that's real enlightenment, right ? ;-) ouch!:-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rising consciousness?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's a thought, instead of judging rising consciousness purely on what the dow jones is doing, why not judge it on how many things like this are going on. http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,2182952,00.html Surely any vaguely civilized society would have banned this a long time ago. Surely we would have. The problem with choosing some sort of social improvement index to gauge rising global consciousness is the same problem with trying to predict how an enlightened person will act, much less a society. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: I guess this will make Shiva happy...reminds me of a
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ron sidha7001@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boo_lives boo_lives@ wrote: At first, I was very annoyed about the announcement that they intended to build hundreds of these towers of invincibility around the world, at several mil a pop, which seemed only to designed to tell Bevan et al how wonderful they are, and seem foolish when many cities do not have TM centers and MUM and the M. Central University are drastically underfunded. That's certainly part of it, as there are plaques on the sides of the towers saluting TM administrators, but these are really Shiva lingams, and as a wearer of rudraksha who learned TM from a monk in the Shankara (Shiva) tradition, I can't be opposed to that. Building these towers/lingams creates auspiciousness -- doesn't matter what the ignorant public thinks one way or the other. MMY is going to create this influence of Vedic civilization, and there are not enough hillbillies in the world to stop it. http://tinyurl.com/28rojh It's not hillbillies who think it's stupid, it's anyone in touch with reality. I am laughing myself to death . This is the effect of laughter like this, the me is gone in the middle of it. I lost it when I read this one line response Hridaya I'm happy that you found reality with a guru that suggest reading material and meetings for the enlightened to stay enlightened Ron. Now that's real enlightenment, right ? ;-) ouch!:-) The ouch would be questioning the methodology of a guru that has brought 5 to enlightenment since 1999. Nityananda, Guru to Muktananda sadly left his body early declaring that there were none ( and Muktananda is one of his disciples), and this was not long ago. Even in this case, it was probably not an ouch as the methodology was reasonable. The real ouch is where there are none enlightened after a long presence - then in looking at the methodology, it may be quite obvious why this has happened. There are wild things taking place with Gurus these days. Hridaya
[FairfieldLife] Re: TIME to BAN LURK
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Write the ticket and get on with your life so I can get on with mine. Don't keep standing there demanding that I apologize to you. I have *no problem* with paying the fine. I don't really know the issue here, just out of curiosity and for the sake of the fun of it: If the fine was to apologize, what would you do? Just for the sake of the fun of it, if a frog had wings he wouldn't bounce along on his butt when he jumped. ( And I guess the same 'what if' scenario applies to Yogic Flyers. :-) The fine *isn't* to apologize. But some people are trying to *make* that the fine. Lets say Rick says, the fine is to apologize to the person you insulted, would you be okay to say so? But the fine isn't the ultimate punishment. In the speeding analogy, if Barry doesn't apologize, he''ll be fined; but if he refuses to pay the fine, he'll be thrown in jail. On FFL, if the fine is equivalent to an apology, and he refuses to apologize, the equivalent to being thrown in jail would be to be thrown off the forum, and he's already said that would be OK with him. Barry would rather accept the ultimate punishment that Rick can impose, in other words, than apologize for an insult. Or to put it another way, it's more important to Barry to be able to freely insult people on the forum than to be able to continue to post to it. snip If Fairfield Life turned into the kind of place where people were expected to apologize for the behavior that the majority of people declared inappropriate, I would bail from it far more quickly than I bailed from the TM movement, which tried to do exactly that. After all, as Barry said about overposters; WHO CARES if they're feeling 'attacked.' That's just narcissism and self-importance, in my opinion. Using it as an excuse to be an asshole is even *more* narcissism and self-importance. Oh, wait... Looks like a size 9 foot for a size 10 mouth-- a perfect fit.:-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: for Nabby
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm happy that you found reality with a guru that suggest reading material and meetings for the enlightened to stay enlightened Ron. Now that's real enlightenment, right ? ;-) The update in my path here is My Guru said there are 5 that have unfolded in Realization. Maybe it is even 6 or 7. When Sarojini came in, my Guru's comments were something like now we dont wont the mind to reroot, then she told her to read some scripture- I forget which one, but Sarojini did it immediately. I don't question too much about anything anymore, I did in the begining but it is not necessary now. why why why is not some much of interest to me, things are as they are. Main thing is - when you get there, it is never what you thought it was. If you are enlightened there is no possebility to reroot. Enlightenment is irreversible. If it is not permanent it simply is something other than enlightenment. Which, as if I ever doubdted this, means that the people you have been duped to believe are enlightened are more or less as ignorant as the majority of the rest of us.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TIME to BAN LURK
I refused outright. I was a stripper for the TM move- ment and damn! if I was going to let somebody make me say that I did montage for a living. Excellent! BTW next time that brunette montage artist comes by our table, tell her I'll meet her in the Champagne room with a roll of 20's. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: This group which used to be fun when it was like Rick's Bar and Grill is pretty boring catering to a bunch of bliss ninnies and quickly becoming Rick's Victorian Tea House. I guess that explains why the last beer I ordered tasted like Lapsang Suchon and my Reuben sandwich order came back as cucumber finger triangles without the crusts. And when did we ban strippers? That used to be my favorite part of my lunch break here. Even the enlightened need a lap dance once in a while, right?! Hey, I used to be a stripper *for* the TM movement. Seriously. And I used to *love* saying it that way. It used to make the Purusha-types-before-there-was-a-Purusha *so* uptight. :-) I was a photostripper for MIU Press. Back in the days before digital presses, you had to shoot negs of the typeset copy and then paste them up in cer- tain configurations and then shoot printing plates from them. In America, this process is called stripping. One of the first indications I got that the TM move- ment was not for me is when people started getting offended by the term stripping. Mandates came down from Seelisberg that we should refer to what we do by the European term montage. I refused outright. I was a stripper for the TM move- ment and damn! if I was going to let somebody make me say that I did montage for a living. We *did* do the stripping fully clothed, however, for those who are still offended by the term. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Marauding Men and the Myth of an Independent Woman
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: 60 is the new 40. Spread the word! And 40 is the new 20. So 60 yr olds with 20 yr old ergo, are with people their own age. FWIW, Hunter Tylo of BB (Taylor) nowadays looks awesome. IMO, she looks much better and perhaps even younger than, say, 15 years ago. She's an example of the results of plastic surgery at there best.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Marauding Men and the Myth of an Independent Woman
I'm afraid 40 is the just the new 30. And that is with fierce exercise programs. I think 80 is the new 20 to tell you the truth. Some of that youthful, free spirited who gives a F attitude comes back at the end. Judging by the college age kids of woman I have dated I think 20 is the new 15. When I dated younger women from other countries they were much more mature than the home team's young'uns. With helicopter mothers and fathers and every second pre-planned in group activities, today's kids are taking longer to mature. I don't know if it is good or bad but I really notice the effect. When I was a teen we used to put on records and talk about how much the government sucked. Today's teens sit in a room glued to video games while grunting. Even the girls play the games now. No discussion except in BRB abbreviations while texting. Hard to develop much depth of concept with single letters for words, IMO. (I have just become 100 years old which is the new you must have health coverage) Every decade has a perspective that I can access through having friends in each decade. I don't have to bang em all, but I need to break bread and really talk. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Oct 3, 2007, at 7:36 PM, new.morning wrote: curtisdeltablues@ wrote: 60 is the new 40. Spread the word! And 40 is the new 20. So 60 yr olds with 20 yr old ergo, are with people their own age. No, because going on your logic, 20 would be the new...what? 12? Actually that is not my logic at all. And its not even logic, its empirical evidence. The data I have seen indicates that 27 is the new 20. Of course 17 is the new 20, so ... 60 yar olds should not be with the new 20 year olds, but can be with the old 20 year olds who are the new 27 year olds. Come on. Try to keep up. Perhaps for some, 55 is the new 75. :)
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: TIME to BAN LURK
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of TurquoiseB Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 1:17 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TIME to BAN LURK Write the ticket and get on with your life so I can get on with mine. Don't keep standing there demanding that I apologize to you. I have *no problem* with paying the fine. But just write the ticket and stop demanding my attention. Being booted off of Fairfield Life is the fine; indulging your or other people's desire to be apologized to isn't. I have no desire to boot you or anyone off, nor do I need you to feel remorseful or anything else. If you (or anyone) were to say to hell with the rule, I’m going to keep flaming, and then you did so, I’d boot you off. But you’re not continuing to flame, so on with the party. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.0/1048 - Release Date: 10/3/2007 8:22 PM
[FairfieldLife] Bigass Capital Punishment (Re: Rising consciousness?)
Krishna told Arjuna to exact capital punishment on ALL his relatives and just about the entire Kshatriya caste/race too. Killed most of them. If Arjuna was like Conan the Barbarian, he sure heard a lot of the lamentations of the women. In the blink of an eye, Arjuna could shoot ten thousand arrows that killed ten thousand warriors shooting at him. Arjuna presumably also had this really big quiver of arrows and a cooling system that kept the friction of his rapid pulling out of arrows from setting the quiver on fire. Probably also had an automatic bow string replacer. The physics and engineering of the siddhis would have to be quite strange to make it such that we could begin to believe a man could shoot ten thousand arrows so quickly and accurately that ten thousand arrows shot at Arjuna would be targeted and met mid-air. The sound of the twangs alone would deafen anyone within earshot. Or, wait, did Arjuna have very very thin arrows? Maybe he shot all 10,000 in one twang? Then there's the fact that thousands of elephants, horses, chariots, etc. were destroyed in Arjuna's battles too. The logistics are so boggling, that, well, these stories of fabled warriors are automatically consigned to myth by almost any scholar. But here's my explanation: The mind is the battlefield. The arrows are concepts and feelings. The distance an arrow travels is the same as the distance between thoughts, and the arrow travels just as fast as you would travel in your imagination from one spot to another -- that is to say, almost instantly. I can just see myself standing on Mars, no wait, I'm now back on Earth. Fast, eh? Didn't even break a sweat. The speed of thought: wow! In a dream tonight, you could imagine being Arjuna and shooting the arrows, and it would not cause you the least dissonance in the dream. Physics, schmysics. Every thought in any mind in history that has ever occurred was the shooting of just such an arrow -- an arrow targeting other impulses of the mind that are untoward, or, egads, being an untoward impulse/arrow itself. I think Arjuna's battle was between the right and left hemispheres of his brain, and he and Krishna had their discussion in the corpus colloseum. The goal was to balance the two sides such that neither could win all the marbles. Failing to gain this balance, someone would lose their marbles, see? So, on that level of life, we're all killers. We're all smashing impulses that are sins, errors of thinking, and at that level each wayward dynamic is a fully fleshed out astral being with a destiny and intent all its own. And the inner Arjuna of all of us is our best idealization of our potential to keep one's balance while moving forwards. Capitol punishment? We've all got the tee shirt. Burger anyone? New idea: if we're going to do capital punishment, we should at least find a good use for that robot meat. Soylent Green: it's what's for breakfast. This alone could reduce recidivism by 90%, I'm just saying. Then again, there's this consideration: The Leaden-Eyed -- Vachel Lindsay Let not young souls be smothered out before They do quaint deeds and fully flaunt their pride. It is the world's one crime its babes grow dull, Its poor are ox-like, limp and leaden-eyed. Not that they starve, but starve so dreamlessly; Not that they sow, but that they seldom reap; Not that they serve, but have no gods to serve; Not that they die, but that they die like sheep. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo richardhughes103@ wrote: Here's a thought, instead of judging rising consciousness purely on what the dow jones is doing, why not judge it on how many things like this are going on. http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,2182952,00.html Surely any vaguely civilized society would have banned this a long time ago. Surely we would have. The problem with choosing some sort of social improvement index to gauge rising global consciousness is the same problem with trying to predict how an enlightened person will act, much less a society. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: TIME to BAN LURK
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't just get into the issue itself, as I really haven't followed it up, and my question/comment was just related to your example (of he cop) and the way you had worded it. When I reacted (and, I dare say, overreacted) to this, he followed up by trying to character- ize me as an abortion counselor, someone who actively tried to get women to consider abortions. IOW you feel that you were insulted before, and your overreaction was just a reaction to this insult, probably more concealed than yours. You feel that the person 'deserved' the insult. Thats of course a problem with enforcing non-flaming, that there can be insults hidden, like 'abortion counselor' (I didn't know its an insult, in Germany it wouldn't be) In any case, concerning this particular issue I am on the same side as you. But I guess it is more about courtesy and following group consensus. The other point is, even if you where insulted, it doesn't give you the right to respond in kind. And, as I wrote about before, I just don't apolo- gize because someone is demanding it of me. So I guess the overall answer to your question is No. If Fairfield Life turned into the kind of place where people were expected to apologize for the behavior that the majority of people declared inappropriate, I would bail from it far more quickly than I bailed from the TM movement, which tried to do exactly that. Now thats interesting. You had to leave the movement because you didn't apologize?
[FairfieldLife] Re: I guess this will make Shiva happy...reminds me of a
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are wild things taking place with Gurus these days. The claim from your guru to have brought 5 into enlightenment probably is the wildest of them all. I don't buy it and I seriously don't believe anyone else on this forum does. Hridaya
[FairfieldLife] Re: TIME to BAN LURK
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, I used to be a stripper *for* the TM movement. Seriously. And I used to *love* saying it that way. It used to make the Purusha-types-before-there-was-a-Purusha *so* uptight. :-) I was a photostripper for MIU Press. Back in the days before digital presses, you had to shoot negs of the typeset copy and then paste them up in cer- tain configurations and then shoot printing plates from them. In America, this process is called stripping. Thats what I did too! There was paste-up, montage (stripping, I didn't know the term) and plate-making (exposing montage-films on photo-senstive plates in a certain sequence. We used double-page spreads and positioned them with a computed machine on the appropriate place of the plate). I was most of the time in the movement plate-maker, never did paste-up, but did a lot of montage, even at Purusha I was mainly in charge of the montage still going on.
[FairfieldLife] British secret UFO files revealed
British secret UFO files revealed The British Ministry of Defence (MOD) has published further witness reports of UFOs after receiving numerous requests under the Freedom of Information Act. Previously, classified records were not released for 30 years. The MOD recently released details of sightings since 1998 and will publish 24 further documents dating back to 1967. In 2006 they received 97 reports of UFO sightings and 128 the previous year. The 2006 sightings included glowing lights seen in formation in White Roding, Essex, a bright disc hanging over Newquay, Cornwall, four golden spheres over West Kilbride, Ayrshire, and a mother ship and two smaller orbs moving around it over Barlaston, Staffordshire. The MOD received reports of eight UFO sightings in and around Plymouth, Devon, since 1998, including a huge shimmering ball of orange fire flying eastwards in March 2006, 50 objects in line formation in October 2001 and three 100ft sphere-shaped white objects reported over Gulworthy, Devon. (Source: Daily Mail, The Herald, Plymouth, UK) France opens up UFO files France has become the first country to give unrestricted public access to its records on reports of `UFOs'. The national space agency's entire archive of 1,600 entries, spanning 50 years, has been posted online and will be updated constantly. The reports are catalogued in minute detail and include all sightings received since 1954. According to aeronautical engineer Jacques Patenet, head of the office responsible for the study of UFO reports, 28 per cent of the entries are classified as `Class D aerospace phenomona', signifying that despite good or very good data and credible witnesses, we are confronted with something we can't explain. The aim was to make it easier for scientists and other UFO buffs to access the data for research. We also want to send a message to more scientists, inviting them to help us analyse these phenomena, when otherwise they might feel uneasy about these issues, he said. The French have done the right thing, said Roy Lake, chairman of London UFO Studies, who believes access to UFO information should be freely available. Until now governments haven't wanted to be open about UFO sightings because they don't want to admit they can't do anything about them that they're as helpless as the rest of us. (Source: space.newscientist.com; MSNBC, USA; The Guardian, UK) UFO activity increases UFOs over Dulwich South Londoners phoned in to BBC's Radio Five Live on 4 August 2007 about mysterious orange lights in the night sky above East Dulwich. According to a local press report, lawyer Richard Pringle and his flatmate were walking home at 11.30pm when they spotted a row of four lights rising up from the horizon near the Crystal Palace masts and over Dulwich Village. Two more chains of four lights followed. They were about 15,000 feet up and gave out a constant orange glow. There is no way you would have normal planes flying like that, he said. (Source: BBC.co.uk; icsouthlondon.icnetwork.co.uk) (Benjamin Creme's Master confirms that these were spacecraft from Mars.) Multiple UFO sightings in the Netherlands The residents of the province of Groningen, the Netherlands, must be wondering why they appear to have been singled out for so many sightings of UFOs in recent months. The sightings are all registered by Anton Teuben from Niburu, in Zuidlaren, Drenthe, a centre established to record UFO sightings. There is unbelievably intense UFO activity, says Teuben. Entire villages see the mysterious white orbs. The following is a selection of some of the sightings in Groningen: Hoogezand, 4/5 July 2007: I saw two oval-shaped white balls, darting back and forth in the sky at about 11.30pm. On my way home when I stopped the car in the centre of the moor I saw, at a short distance, the same kind of light balls darting about. It was then 1.30am. I drove on for another 2 km and got out of the car when the ground was lit up. Independently from each other the light balls shot off, zigzagging through the sky, then stood still again in the air and seemed to dissolve. (Benjamin Creme's Master confirms they were spaceships from Mars.) Vinkhuizen, 12 July: It was 10.15pm and cloudy. We were sitting outside with the neighbours when we saw balls of fire, the size of a football. The fire balls were orange-red. There were six of them. They vanished slowly, came back and vanished again (Benjamin Creme's Master confirms they were spacecraft from Mars.) New Zealand UFO experts are studying photographs of a bright object which appeared above the Tasman Sea off Ahipara, North Island, New Zealand, on 28 April 2007. The digital images were taken at 5.42pm by a photographer who watched the object for nearly five minutes as it moved silently across the sky in a northerly direction, reducing in size before disappearing. US Navy optical physicist and world UFO expert Dr Bruce Maccabee
[FairfieldLife] Re: TIME to BAN LURK
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of TurquoiseB Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 1:17 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TIME to BAN LURK Write the ticket and get on with your life so I can get on with mine. Don't keep standing there demanding that I apologize to you. I have *no problem* with paying the fine. But just write the ticket and stop demanding my attention. Being booted off of Fairfield Life is the fine; indulging your or other people's desire to be apologized to isn't. I have no desire to boot you or anyone off, nor do I need you to feel remorseful or anything else. If you (or anyone) were to say to hell with the rule, I'm going to keep flaming, and then you did so, I'd boot you off. But you're not continuing to flame, so on with the party. OK, Rick, look, he's been flaming off and on since the agreement not to flame was put in force. This is just the latest instance. You chided him gently the first time (when he called Bronte and idiot), and he said then it was OK with him if you threw him off the forum for doing so. The insult was perfectly justified, as far as he was concerned. Then you stopped reading for awhile, and he continued to flame during that period. You start monitoring again, and find he's just delivered another flame, but because he doesn't *say* the hell with the rules, I'm just going to keep on flaming--even though continuing to flame is what he has actually done--you give him a pass. In terms of what he *says* about flaming, he's a lot stricter than you are. For example: In general, anytime someone tries to justify 'attacking back' they are trying to justify a personal attack that was just made by them. It couldn't be any clearer. In their minds the personal attack may be justified, but the very fact that they *are* attempting to justify it shows that they know it was a personal attack, and thus against the FFL guidelines. So he has in effect acknowledged that he knew his flame at mainstream was against the FFL guidelines (although the quote above is from an earlier post). You seem to be suggesting now that it's OK to flame as long as you don't prolong it and don't explicitly proclaim your intention to defy the rules. Is that what you mean to convey? If so, does that apply to all of us, or just to Barry? (Bonus quote from Barry, to be read in light of his elaborate justification for flaming mainstream in the discussion on abortion: Beliefs and opinions are easy to fixate on, and to confuse with Truth. And when someone pokes at one of the things you confuse with Truth, you react. The reaction is NOT justified, no matter how hard you try to justify it.
[FairfieldLife] John Edwards in Fairfield on Sunday
HYPERLINK http://johnedwards.com/r/36655/23/Iowa for John Edwards '08 HYPERLINK http://johnedwards.com/assets/email/jefp-jre-smile.jpgDear Richard, I'd like to invite you to join me this Sunday in Fairfield. It will be one of 17 stops I'll be making throughout the state from Friday, October 5th through Monday, October 8th as I meet with Iowans to discuss my plans to end the war in Iraq and build One America where everyone has a chance to work hard and get ahead. Here are the details for the event: Sunday, October 7th at 4:45 PM Community Meeting with QA Lincoln Elementary School 401 West Stone Avenue, Fairfield For more information call: 641-684-4345 Please click here to learn more and let me know if you can make it: HYPERLINK http://johnedwards.com/r/36657/23/www.johnedwards.com/iowa/events If you aren't able to come to this event, please visit my HYPERLINK http://johnedwards.com/r/36658/23/Iowa website to see a full schedule for the trip. I'm looking forward to meeting you and discussing the issues important to working Americans -- bringing our troops home, providing universal health care, strengthening our public school system, and taking on the powerful special interests in Washington who have rigged the system against regular people. Please make sure to forward this onto any friends and family who might also be interested in attending. Thank you for your help...and I look forward to seeing you at the event. HYPERLINK http://johnedwards.com/assets/site/jresig-blue.gif; How You Can Take Action HYPERLINK http://johnedwards.com/r/36659/23/Join the CampaignHYPERLINK http://johnedwards.com/r/36660/23/Make a ContributionHYPERLINK http://johnedwards.com/r/36661/23/Spread the Word Make sure you receive email updates from Senator Edwards. HYPERLINK http://johnedwards.com/r/36662/23/Find out how to add [EMAIL PROTECTED] to your Address Book. HYPERLINK http://johnedwards.com/optout?p=MTA2OSwyMjIyMjM%3D%0AClick here to unsubscribe from email sent by John Edwards for President. Paid for by John Edwards for President 410 Market Street, Suite 400, Chapel Hill, NC 27516 (919) 636-3131. HYPERLINK http://johnedwards.com/r/36663/23/johnedwards.com. Contributions to John Edwards for President are not deductible for federal income tax purposes. HYPERLINK http://johnedwards.com/o/MjIyMjIzLDEwNjks%0A; No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.0/1048 - Release Date: 10/3/2007 8:22 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: TIME to BAN LURK
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of TurquoiseB Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 1:17 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TIME to BAN LURK Write the ticket and get on with your life so I can get on with mine. Don't keep standing there demanding that I apologize to you. I have *no problem* with paying the fine. But just write the ticket and stop demanding my attention. Being booted off of Fairfield Life is the fine; indulging your or other people's desire to be apologized to isn't. I have no desire to boot you or anyone off, nor do I need you to feel remorseful or anything else. If you (or anyone) were to say to hell with the rule, I'm going to keep flaming, and then you did so, I'd boot you off. But you're not continuing to flame, so on with the party. perhaps a restriction to just beer and wine is in order (no hard liquor)?:-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: TIME to BAN LURK
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of TurquoiseB Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 1:17 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TIME to BAN LURK Write the ticket and get on with your life so I can get on with mine. Don't keep standing there demanding that I apologize to you. I have *no problem* with paying the fine. But just write the ticket and stop demanding my attention. Being booted off of Fairfield Life is the fine; indulging your or other people's desire to be apologized to isn't. I have no desire to boot you or anyone off, nor do I need you to feel remorseful or anything else. If you (or anyone) were to say to hell with the rule, I'm going to keep flaming, and then you did so, I'd boot you off. But you're not continuing to flame, so on with the party. perhaps a restriction to just beer and wine is in order (no hard liquor)?:-) Aren't you supposed to be at work at this hour Jim ??
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: TIME to BAN LURK
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of authfriend Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 10:16 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TIME to BAN LURK You seem to be suggesting now that it's OK to flame as long as you don't prolong it and don't explicitly proclaim your intention to defy the rules. Is that what you mean to convey? No. Flaming is not so clear-cut as overposting, but if a person is obviously just flaming occasionally, in the hope that he can get away with it, (like driving 7 or 8 or 9 MPH over the speed limit), then it makes my job a lot harder. Out of consideration for me, if nothing else, and out of appreciation for what FFL can be at its best, I would appreciate it if Barry and everyone else did their best to completely refrain from flaming. If one person does it, others feel justified in doing it. So the effect goes far beyond what that one person is doing. Chronic violations should have consequences. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.0/1048 - Release Date: 10/3/2007 8:22 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: I guess this will make Shiva happy...reminds me of a
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ron sidha7001@ wrote: There are wild things taking place with Gurus these days. The claim from your guru to have brought 5 into enlightenment probably is the wildest of them all. I don't buy it and I seriously don't believe anyone else on this forum does. Hridaya Well lemme think, what would be the purpose in knowing or believeing that my Guru has brought 5 to enlightenment since 1999. For those interested in a Guru who may be available to work with, it would be most useful I would guess. For those questioning what is taking place in their own path, again there may be some usefullness depending on what is going on in their path. But in anycase, I don't really care how others think. Hridaya
[FairfieldLife] Re: John Edwards in Fairfield on Sunday
Last night Edwards was given a few minutes uninterrupted on a radio program, during which he pointed out that he would have all troops out of Iraq within 1 year. He really took on Hillary Clinton for a recent vote that somehow authorizes Bush to prepare to attack Iran. I don't know the details of such a vote by Hillary, but I've noticed she has really softened her criticism of Bush and the Iraq war. I don't like Edwards' fancy house and haircuts, but I think he has the best chance to make a real difference, and hope he gives Hillary a great challenge for the nomination. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HYPERLINK http://johnedwards.com/r/36655/23/Iowa for John Edwards '08 HYPERLINK http://johnedwards.com/assets/email/jefp-jre-smile.jpgDear Richard, I'd like to invite you to join me this Sunday in Fairfield. It will be one of 17 stops I'll be making throughout the state from Friday, October 5th through Monday, October 8th as I meet with Iowans to discuss my plans to end the war in Iraq and build One America where everyone has a chance to work hard and get ahead. Here are the details for the event: Sunday, October 7th at 4:45 PM Community Meeting with QA Lincoln Elementary School 401 West Stone Avenue, Fairfield For more information call: 641-684-4345 Please click here to learn more and let me know if you can make it: HYPERLINK http://johnedwards.com/r/36657/23/www.johnedwards.com/iowa/events If you aren't able to come to this event, please visit my HYPERLINK http://johnedwards.com/r/36658/23/Iowa website to see a full schedule for the trip. I'm looking forward to meeting you and discussing the issues important to working Americans -- bringing our troops home, providing universal health care, strengthening our public school system, and taking on the powerful special interests in Washington who have rigged the system against regular people. Please make sure to forward this onto any friends and family who might also be interested in attending. Thank you for your help...and I look forward to seeing you at the event. HYPERLINK http://johnedwards.com/assets/site/jresig-blue.gif; How You Can Take Action HYPERLINK http://johnedwards.com/r/36659/23/Join the CampaignHYPERLINK http://johnedwards.com/r/36660/23/Make a ContributionHYPERLINK http://johnedwards.com/r/36661/23/Spread the Word Make sure you receive email updates from Senator Edwards. HYPERLINK http://johnedwards.com/r/36662/23/Find out how to add [EMAIL PROTECTED] to your Address Book. HYPERLINK http://johnedwards.com/optout?p=MTA2OSwyMjIyMjM%3D%0AClick here to unsubscribe from email sent by John Edwards for President. Paid for by John Edwards for President 410 Market Street, Suite 400, Chapel Hill, NC 27516 (919) 636-3131. HYPERLINK http://johnedwards.com/r/36663/23/johnedwards.com. Contributions to John Edwards for President are not deductible for federal income tax purposes. HYPERLINK http://johnedwards.com/o/MjIyMjIzLDEwNjks%0A; No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.0/1048 - Release Date: 10/3/2007 8:22 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: 5,000 years of religion in 90 seconds
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Animated Map - 5,000 years of religion in 90 seconds: http://mapsofwar.com/ind/history-of-religion.html Neat. I guess my only nitpick with it is the category they placed it in, Maps of War. To my knowledge (and someone can correct me if they think I'm wrong), the which animal doesn't fit with the others entry on this map is Buddhism. I don't think they've *ever* fought a war to spread Buddhism.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 5,000 years of religion in 90 seconds
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: Animated Map - 5,000 years of religion in 90 seconds: http://mapsofwar.com/ind/history-of-religion.html Neat. I guess my only nitpick with it is the category they placed it in, Maps of War. To my knowledge (and someone can correct me if they think I'm wrong), the which animal doesn't fit with the others entry on this map is Buddhism. I don't think they've *ever* fought a war to spread Buddhism. They lost me at birth of Krishna. WTF!
[FairfieldLife] Re: John Edwards in Fairfield on Sunday
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Last night Edwards was given a few minutes uninterrupted on a radio program, during which he pointed out that he would have all troops out of Iraq within 1 year. He really took on Hillary Clinton for a recent vote that somehow authorizes Bush to prepare to attack Iran. I don't know the details of such a vote by Hillary, but I've noticed she has really softened her criticism of Bush and the Iraq war. I don't like Edwards' fancy house and haircuts, but I think he has the best chance to make a real difference, and hope he gives Hillary a great challenge for the nomination. Hillary has already ingratiated her way into the power structure, and she will be the next president, hands down. Those that are making billions off the death and destruction in Iraq will never let in anyone with plans to pull out all of the troops.:-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: TIME to BAN LURK
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: TurquoiseB Write the ticket and get on with your life so I can get on with mine. Don't keep standing there demanding that I apologize to you. I have *no problem* with paying the fine. But just write the ticket and stop demanding my attention. Being booted off of Fairfield Life is the fine; indulging your or other people's desire to be apologized to isn't. I have no desire to boot you or anyone off, nor do I need you to feel remorseful or anything else. If you (or anyone) were to say to hell with the rule, I'm going to keep flaming, and then you did so, I'd boot you off. But you're not continuing to flame, so on with the party. First sensible thing that has been said in this whole tempest in a pisspot yet. As I said before, those who have continued the flaming are doing so by flaming *me*. I dropped it long ago. *They* are the ones who want to prolong the argument, so they can win in their minds or just Dump On Barry one more time. While they are free to do so, from my side each person who *does* do so only adds to my Don't Bother To Read List, and frees up more of my time when reading Fairfield Life. All they require in terms of my attention is a quick glance at the name and a click of the Next key. No muss, no fuss. The time that this saves me can be spent having a life, something I fervently hope that the people who incapable of dropping an argument can someday have for themselves.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TIME to BAN LURK
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of TurquoiseB Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 1:17 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TIME to BAN LURK Write the ticket and get on with your life so I can get on with mine. Don't keep standing there demanding that I apologize to you. I have *no problem* with paying the fine. But just write the ticket and stop demanding my attention. Being booted off of Fairfield Life is the fine; indulging your or other people's desire to be apologized to isn't. I have no desire to boot you or anyone off, nor do I need you to feel remorseful or anything else. If you (or anyone) were to say to hell with the rule, I'm going to keep flaming, and then you did so, I'd boot you off. But you're not continuing to flame, so on with the party. perhaps a restriction to just beer and wine is in order (no hard liquor)?:-) Aren't you supposed to be at work at this hour Jim ?? its a virtual party, hosted by Rick. The drinks are free by the way.:-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: TIME to BAN LURK
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: And, as I wrote about before, I just don't apolo- gize because someone is demanding it of me. So I guess the overall answer to your question is No. If Fairfield Life turned into the kind of place where people were expected to apologize for the behavior that the majority of people declared inappropriate, I would bail from it far more quickly than I bailed from the TM movement, which tried to do exactly that. Now thats interesting. You had to leave the movement because you didn't apologize? No, it's just that the whole *mindset* of the TM movement was based on making people apologize for being who they were, unless they were on the program. In other words, they were expected to live according to Someone Else's Ideas of how they should live. If they didn't, the organiz- ation first tried to make them feel guilty, and if that didn't work they'd censure them, and if *that* didn't work they'd just declare them anathema and get rid of them. They never actively tried to get rid of me; I just grew so disgusted by the mindset that I walked away.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TIME to BAN LURK
Didn't bother to read this, of course, but I can't help but notice that Judy has just fouled out for the week at 35 posts. Again. And I'd be willing to bet that a large number of these posts were pissed away flaming me, and trying to get others to do the same. What I said earlier about having a life vs. not... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of TurquoiseB Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 1:17 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TIME to BAN LURK Write the ticket and get on with your life so I can get on with mine. Don't keep standing there demanding that I apologize to you. I have *no problem* with paying the fine. But just write the ticket and stop demanding my attention. Being booted off of Fairfield Life is the fine; indulging your or other people's desire to be apologized to isn't. I have no desire to boot you or anyone off, nor do I need you to feel remorseful or anything else. If you (or anyone) were to say to hell with the rule, I'm going to keep flaming, and then you did so, I'd boot you off. But you're not continuing to flame, so on with the party. OK, Rick, look, he's been flaming off and on since the agreement not to flame was put in force. This is just the latest instance. You chided him gently the first time (when he called Bronte and idiot), and he said then it was OK with him if you threw him off the forum for doing so. The insult was perfectly justified, as far as he was concerned. Then you stopped reading for awhile, and he continued to flame during that period. You start monitoring again, and find he's just delivered another flame, but because he doesn't *say* the hell with the rules, I'm just going to keep on flaming--even though continuing to flame is what he has actually done--you give him a pass. In terms of what he *says* about flaming, he's a lot stricter than you are. For example: In general, anytime someone tries to justify 'attacking back' they are trying to justify a personal attack that was just made by them. It couldn't be any clearer. In their minds the personal attack may be justified, but the very fact that they *are* attempting to justify it shows that they know it was a personal attack, and thus against the FFL guidelines. So he has in effect acknowledged that he knew his flame at mainstream was against the FFL guidelines (although the quote above is from an earlier post). You seem to be suggesting now that it's OK to flame as long as you don't prolong it and don't explicitly proclaim your intention to defy the rules. Is that what you mean to convey? If so, does that apply to all of us, or just to Barry? (Bonus quote from Barry, to be read in light of his elaborate justification for flaming mainstream in the discussion on abortion: Beliefs and opinions are easy to fixate on, and to confuse with Truth. And when someone pokes at one of the things you confuse with Truth, you react. The reaction is NOT justified, no matter how hard you try to justify it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: for Nabby
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ron sidha7001@ wrote: I'm happy that you found reality with a guru that suggest reading material and meetings for the enlightened to stay enlightened Ron. Now that's real enlightenment, right ? ;-) The update in my path here is My Guru said there are 5 that have unfolded in Realization. Maybe it is even 6 or 7. When Sarojini came in, my Guru's comments were something like now we dont wont the mind to reroot, then she told her to read some scripture- I forget which one, but Sarojini did it immediately. I don't question too much about anything anymore, I did in the begining but it is not necessary now. why why why is not some much of interest to me, things are as they are. Main thing is - when you get there, it is never what you thought it was. If you are enlightened there is no possebility to reroot. Enlightenment is irreversible. If it is not permanent it simply is something other than enlightenment. I am not one of those enlightened but this comment is what my Guru says. However, you can find plents as i did in the last 2 years that even with the mind rerooting', they still claim enlightenment. My Guru says where there is a me, there is no enlightenment. The 'me' has imploded into Being or IS or absolute or what ever word you want to use. Which, as if I ever doubdted this, means that the people you have been duped to believe are enlightened are more or less as ignorant as the majority of the rest of us. There has not been any rerooting of the mind- and in this path the Guru is right here to look after the disciples to ensure that they have come to enlightenment and not a glimpse. My expereince has been with the 20 or so that declareed enlightenment where it was not the case, was it usually was a glimpse, the mind rerooted, the guru was either not available or there was no guru in the first place, then they were decalring enlightenment even though mind was still there. Even what I am writting would be objected to most likely by the same ones I am referring to. I watched a you tube presentation of one explaining what enlightenment was based on his own experience. in this explaination, he said - the mind comes back in enlightenment. What is the mind? What is the ego? So, there is not even an agreement on this but I can pass along what my Guru has to say- in enlightenment , one knows 100% they are not the mind, not the body. There is no one to be enlightened, and a quote from my Guru I never existed nor will I ever So, this mind rerrooting is only a glimpse here in my path which my Guru explains does not hold a candle to Nivakalpa Sahaj Samadi, but it appears in other paths the mind rerrooting is enlightenmetn. This was just a long commentary which is about equll to me expalining what ice cream tastes like having not tasted it myself. If you are going to argue my points , it is an honest thing to first state where it is that your consciousness rests, especially if one is going to speak with athority about what can and cannot happen to an enlightened one. If it is two people speaking to each other about the ice cream that they themselves have never tasted, how valuable is it ? The intellectual understanding of what ice cream tastes like doesnt hold a candle to the tasting of it. too late now, i just typed alot, it could be like the blind leading the blind. Hridaya
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: for Nabby
In my opinion, 5 or 8 people enlightened in 8 years isn’t an extraordinary track record. I’m sure there are many gurus who could claim that, but I’m not sure that there are many who would. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.0/1048 - Release Date: 10/3/2007 8:22 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: John Edwards in Fairfield on Sunday
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 mainstream20016@ wrote: Last night Edwards was given a few minutes uninterrupted on a radio program, during which he pointed out that he would have all troops out of Iraq within 1 year. He really took on Hillary Clinton for a recent vote that somehow authorizes Bush to prepare to attack Iran. I don't know the details of such a vote by Hillary, but I've noticed she has really softened her criticism of Bush and the Iraq war. I don't like Edwards' fancy house and haircuts, but I think he has the best chance to make a real difference, and hope he gives Hillary a great challenge for the nomination. Hillary has already ingratiated her way into the power structure, and she will be the next president, hands down. Those that are making billions off the death and destruction in Iraq will never let in anyone with plans to pull out all of the troops.:-) Unless for every troop removed, a private army replacement be inserted. It's astounding that another $190b will be requested soon for the war effort, in a supplemental spending bill, the cost of which are not tallied when determining the federal deficit. I thought I heard that the 7 years of the GWB admin has accumulated more debt than the combined debt accumulated by all previous administrations over the past 40 years, the era of generalized deficit spending. Something is wrong with this picture..
[FairfieldLife] Deepak Chorpa and Mike Myers
The Sundance channel series Iconoclasts season 3 debuts on October 25th. Unmiversal HD has been showing some of season 2. It's a show where they take a couple of celebrities and put them together where they comment on what each other do. Last night it was Quentin Tarentino and Fiona Apple who have been friend for a long time. It made for an extremely interesting show. An upcoming episode has Deepak Chopra and Mike Myers (SNL) paired. That should make for an interesting show. http://www.sundancechannel.com/iconoclasts
[FairfieldLife] Re: New and Will Leave
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Genevieve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I haven't been a member long, and joined to feel a sense of clarity and peace with our world. So far, aside from the occasional enlightening remarks, there has been ever-present arguing. Instead of venting in the main room, couldn't this simply be settled by a private email or do we all have to read this? This is not a court session and I'm not here to judge you or the other. Please unsubscribe me, thanks. Don't worry, she's probably an older woman, with no sense of fun left in her. Hopefully, a younger, naive young thing will enter right, Barry ?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Pushing Pushing Daisies
Stu wrote: For anyone who cares, you may want to look at my latest work. Pushing Daisies Wednesday night 7c/8 pm ABC. s. Nice color enhancement. Are you responsible for that too? Interesting show created by Barry Sonnefeld (Men In Black). I don't know how long you can keep an audience though with the fairy tale narrative effect. That might get old. Overall I enjoyed it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TIME to BAN LURK
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: And, as I wrote about before, I just don't apolo- gize because someone is demanding it of me. So I guess the overall answer to your question is No. If Fairfield Life turned into the kind of place where people were expected to apologize for the behavior that the majority of people declared inappropriate, I would bail from it far more quickly than I bailed from the TM movement, which tried to do exactly that. Now thats interesting. You had to leave the movement because you didn't apologize? No, it's just that the whole *mindset* of the TM movement was based on making people apologize for being who they were, unless they were on the program. In other words, they were expected to live according to Someone Else's Ideas of how they should live. If they didn't, the organiz- ation first tried to make them feel guilty, and if that didn't work they'd censure them, and if *that* didn't work they'd just declare them anathema and get rid of them. They never actively tried to get rid of me; I just grew so disgusted by the mindset that I walked away. I am not judging what you felt and did, but your explanation of how the TMO acted towards you is exactly what every company I have worked for does; if you do something that isn't in line with your agreed upon objectives, i.e. not on the program, you are asked to justify what you did, though you are expected to comply next time, then if you continue missing your objectives (being off the program) you are put on a performance plan, and if your non compliance continues, you are fired. There is no reason to vilify the TM Movement, any more than there is a reason to vilify a company who's actions and objectives you disagree with. Its just the way every organization works, like it or not. If there is not a match, there is not a match-- no harm, no foul.:-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: New and Will Leave
I'm not here to judge you or the other. Catch the irony? Sorry other people didn't act the way you wish and entertain you more. Having done a search on your posts since joining I didn't get much in the clarity or peace department from you either. You haven't contributed anything of substance and now you are making a show of leaving while maintaining that you are not here to judge. I enjoy judging. Here is my verdict: you are guilty of not posting interesting, thought provoking posts and then pompously criticizing the group for not posting more of these for you. I'm sure bruised ego will not allow for this to happen, but if you want a message board to reflect your own values, do the work and write some cool stuff. People coming on this board to criticize how others are posting are soo tiresome. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Genevieve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I haven't been a member long, and joined to feel a sense of clarity and peace with our world. So far, aside from the occasional enlightening remarks, there has been ever-present arguing. Instead of venting in the main room, couldn't this simply be settled by a private email or do we all have to read this? This is not a court session and I'm not here to judge you or the other. Please unsubscribe me, thanks.
RE: [FairfieldLife] New and Will Leave
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Genevieve Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 11:44 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] New and Will Leave I haven't been a member long, and joined to feel a sense of clarity and peace with our world. So far, aside from the occasional enlightening remarks, there has been ever-present arguing. Instead of venting in the main room, couldn't this simply be settled by a private email or do we all have to read this? This is not a court session and I'm not here to judge you or the other. Please unsubscribe me, thanks. FFL can still be worthwhile if you ignore those who argue. After a while, you learn who the valuable contributors are and skip the rest. If you want to unsubscribe, you can do that at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fairfieldlife/ No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.0/1048 - Release Date: 10/3/2007 8:22 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: John Edwards in Fairfield on Sunday
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 mainstream20016@ wrote: Last night Edwards was given a few minutes uninterrupted on a radio program, during which he pointed out that he would have all troops out of Iraq within 1 year. He really took on Hillary Clinton for a recent vote that somehow authorizes Bush to prepare to attack Iran. I don't know the details of such a vote by Hillary, but I've noticed she has really softened her criticism of Bush and the Iraq war. I don't like Edwards' fancy house and haircuts, but I think he has the best chance to make a real difference, and hope he gives Hillary a great challenge for the nomination. Hillary has already ingratiated her way into the power structure, and she will be the next president, hands down. Those that are making billions off the death and destruction in Iraq will never let in anyone with plans to pull out all of the troops.:-) Unless for every troop removed, a private army replacement be inserted. It's astounding that another $190b will be requested soon for the war effort, in a supplemental spending bill, the cost of which are not tallied when determining the federal deficit. I thought I heard that the 7 years of the GWB admin has accumulated more debt than the combined debt accumulated by all previous administrations over the past 40 years, the era of generalized deficit spending. Something is wrong with this picture.. Yep, lots and lots of money being made on this one. If you want to do a little digging, you'll discover that 14 huge permanent bases have been constructed in Iraq, to eventually be consolidated into 4 mega bases. That is where some of the money goes. As REM sang in the 80's: Welcome to the occupation...:-)
[FairfieldLife] Discharge vs. Expression in Dialogue
A beautiful post from another online community -- I am finding this to be a very intriguing thread as several of those who have replied have brought up the issues of freedom of expression and sensitivity. I have been doing some research on various types of expression lately and thought that maybe I could add something to this post on the concepts of freedom of expression, and sensitivity. I recently read about the distinction between discharge and expression. With the former there lies an attitude that one must expel from themselves something they have taken in that feels foreign to one's being. With discharge there often comes a catharsis or release. While the release might temporarily leave one feeling empowered it is often a short lived experience. With expression, writers such as Darwin, Hospers, and Dewey state that true expression involves a conservation of energy, and a rhythmic internal process of allowing a building of resistance and tension balanced by periodic and measured releases. The result is that with verbal and written interchanges a feeling of true connection can be achieved as the differences between those in dialogue are actually being digested, absorbed, considered more deeply. In this sense, expressions contains an aesthetic quality. The conversation then becomes a thing of beauty as those involved both feel heard. True expression then is a mature, thoughtful, and considered process, a process where we allow experience to move through us with awareness, noting how the experience changes us, how difference informs us of who we are, and then responding to the differences creatively. With reaction and discharge we are asking others to do our work for us, externalizing our own internal processes. As friends to one another we commonly do this. Our friends witness our reactions and discharges and we are gracefully held in their care. In this way we help each other develop more maturity, and we can all use more of that. One more point in regards to the distinctions between true expression and discharge and reaction; There is often a call by posters (on this site and others) to be truthful, direct, not beat around the bush, a hold nothing back attitude. Be wary when you see this as it is often an invitation to say something that will unleash the others own internal critics, again externalizing the process into a discharge. In regards to sensitivity, I believe a few have spoken of the need to develop a thicker skin while using this board. I think that is a wise statement. However, I wish the opposite were true. I think we would all be much better off if there was enough safety and trust where we could all wear our thinner skins. Tony
[FairfieldLife] Re: for Nabby
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In my opinion, 5 or 8 people enlightened in 8 years isn't an extraordinary track record. I'm sure there are many gurus who could claim that, but I'm not sure that there are many who would. I think it is an area of uncertainty anyway. Maybe in kalki's group, there are 400 realized now- but there are claims of 30 million disciples and also claims of enlightening the world. Even if 400, there are 6 billion in the world, and also 400 out of 30 million? The 5 here is out of maybe 50. So there are not grandious over the top claims here to enlighten the world, and in my path, it is a traditional one to one disciple/chela relationship and this is the only way it is offered. As far as an extraordinary track record, it looks like the numbers are better than it was for Nityananda, but removing the maya may have something to do with the times or with how much maya is prevelent. Alot means Kaliyuga. maybe at some other time, the numbers will look a lot different. There also are no rules acording to my Guru about stating what is, and therefore the accuracy of what is being stated is therefore one way or the other. One can be enlightened and say so as Christ did or not, but the reality of the situation stays the same, and the same for what is taking place regarding the declarations in my path . Hridaya
[FairfieldLife] Re: TIME to BAN LURK
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of TurquoiseB Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 1:17 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TIME to BAN LURK Write the ticket and get on with your life so I can get on with mine. Don't keep standing there demanding that I apologize to you. I have *no problem* with paying the fine. But just write the ticket and stop demanding my attention. Being booted off of Fairfield Life is the fine; indulging your or other people's desire to be apologized to isn't. I have no desire to boot you or anyone off, nor do I need you to feel remorseful or anything else. If you (or anyone) were to say to hell with the rule, I'm going to keep flaming, and then you did so, I'd boot you off. But you're not continuing to flame, so on with the party. perhaps a restriction to just beer and wine is in order (no hard liquor)?:-) Aren't you supposed to be at work at this hour Jim ?? its a virtual party, hosted by Rick. The drinks are free by the way.:-) In that case; I'm in !
[FairfieldLife] Muse of the Day
To All: Many in the news media are speculating about the possiblity of the US attacking Iran due to its nuclear program and other activities that contribute to the instability in the Middle East. For the Israelis, this speculation is a welcome diversion. The Israelis know fully well that they need the support of the US and western Europe to maintain its status and relative peace in the Middle East. However, Israel will not hesitate to attack Iran and bomb its nuclear development anytime Israel perceives that the USA is not having any influence on the peace process in the region. If the US decides to get out of Iraq, there's a great likelihood that Israel will take matters into its own hands. It is likely that Israel already has adequate intelligence about Iran's nuclear facilities. So, without any moment's hesitation, Israel can attack those facilities at the most strategic and surreptitious time. Regards, John R.
[FairfieldLife] Re: I guess this will make Shiva happy...reminds me of a
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ron sidha7001@ wrote: There are wild things taking place with Gurus these days. The claim from your guru to have brought 5 into enlightenment probably is the wildest of them all. I don't buy it and I seriously don't believe anyone else on this forum does. Hridaya Well lemme think, what would be the purpose in knowing or believeing that my Guru has brought 5 to enlightenment since 1999. For those interested in a Guru who may be available to work with, it would be most useful I would guess. Of course, if it was true. But since it is just a contradicting story from you it has 0, zero, nada value whatsoever.
Re: [FairfieldLife] New and Will Leave I use the delete button
I also hope there venom could B stated privately the dirty linen or stained b private. I note by my even responding it encourages this negative actions for my -- OUR attention is again on it. I try to ignore it by silence now on 4 occasions have NOT. I regret this Rick all. On 5 occasions since I joined yrs. ago I have off this line responded privately to ones here. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: for Nabby
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ron sidha7001@ wrote: I'm happy that you found reality with a guru that suggest reading material and meetings for the enlightened to stay enlightened Ron. Now that's real enlightenment, right ? ;-) The update in my path here is My Guru said there are 5 that have unfolded in Realization. Maybe it is even 6 or 7. When Sarojini came in, my Guru's comments were something like now we dont wont the mind to reroot, then she told her to read some scripture- I forget which one, but Sarojini did it immediately. I don't question too much about anything anymore, I did in the begining but it is not necessary now. why why why is not some much of interest to me, things are as they are. Main thing is - when you get there, it is never what you thought it was. If you are enlightened there is no possebility to reroot. Enlightenment is irreversible. If it is not permanent it simply is something other than enlightenment. I am not one of those enlightened but this comment is what my Guru says. However, you can find plents as i did in the last 2 years that even with the mind rerooting', they still claim enlightenment. My Guru says where there is a me, there is no enlightenment. The 'me' has imploded into Being or IS or absolute or what ever word you want to use. Which, as if I ever doubdted this, means that the people you have been duped to believe are enlightened are more or less as ignorant as the majority of the rest of us. There has not been any rerooting of the mind- and in this path the Guru is right here to look after the disciples to ensure that they have come to enlightenment and not a glimpse. My expereince has been with the 20 or so that declareed enlightenment where it was not the case, was it usually was a glimpse, the mind rerooted, the guru was either not available or there was no guru in the first place, then they were decalring enlightenment even though mind was still there. Even what I am writting would be objected to most likely by the same ones I am referring to. I watched a you tube presentation of one explaining what enlightenment was based on his own experience. in this explaination, he said - the mind comes back in enlightenment. What is the mind? What is the ego? So, there is not even an agreement on this but I can pass along what my Guru has to say- in enlightenment , one knows 100% they are not the mind, not the body. There is no one to be enlightened, and a quote from my Guru I never existed nor will I ever So, this mind rerrooting is only a glimpse here in my path which my Guru explains does not hold a candle to Nivakalpa Sahaj Samadi, but it appears in other paths the mind rerrooting is enlightenmetn. This was just a long commentary which is about equll to me expalining what ice cream tastes like having not tasted it myself. If you are going to argue my points , it is an honest thing to first state where it is that your consciousness rests, especially if one is going to speak with athority about what can and cannot happen to an enlightened one. If it is two people speaking to each other about the ice cream that they themselves have never tasted, how valuable is it ? The intellectual understanding of what ice cream tastes like doesnt hold a candle to the tasting of it. too late now, i just typed alot, it could be like the blind leading the blind. Hridaya Wherever you are I'm sure there will be an organization of some sort that will be happy to lend white sticks to both your guru and your 5 enlightened ones.
[FairfieldLife] Re: New and Will Leave
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I enjoy judging. Here is my verdict: you are guilty of not posting interesting, thought provoking posts and then pompously criticizing the group for not posting more of these for you. Bingo. NOT about Genevieve herself, because I only noticed one post from her, and responded to it, in kind. But Curtis' comment just *nails* Newbie Syndrome. When someone rolls into town with a chip on their shoulder and berates the group for not living down to their fantasies about what such a group should be, I always think of Kurt Cobain's take on what it's like to be up on stage in front of an audience: With the lights out It's less dangerous Here we are now Entertain us We feel stupid and contagious Here we are now Entertain us Hey, entertain US. If you want thoughtful conversations, *start* one. See how it goes. If it doesn't go where you imagined it might, try another one. If none of them go where you hoped they would, you might consider either revising your presentation style or moving on. But don't berate the rest of us for failing to entertain you, if you're not willing to do a little entertaining yourself. I'm sure bruised ego will not allow for this to happen, but if you want a message board to reflect your own values, do the work and write some cool stuff. Bingo. Lead, don't ask to be led.
[FairfieldLife] Re: for Nabby
As far as an extraordinary track record, it looks like the numbers are better than it was for Nityanand And the point of this post is...let me guess...this is hard...Ron's guru lady is the superduperist in the whole wide world! She's got ya recruiting nicely, have you started the fund raising part yet? I swear that as soon as I can find one of her ex husbands (just a guess) I'm gunna post the real story on this chick who has guys like you running around telling the world how great she is. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: In my opinion, 5 or 8 people enlightened in 8 years isn't an extraordinary track record. I'm sure there are many gurus who could claim that, but I'm not sure that there are many who would. I think it is an area of uncertainty anyway. Maybe in kalki's group, there are 400 realized now- but there are claims of 30 million disciples and also claims of enlightening the world. Even if 400, there are 6 billion in the world, and also 400 out of 30 million? The 5 here is out of maybe 50. So there are not grandious over the top claims here to enlighten the world, and in my path, it is a traditional one to one disciple/chela relationship and this is the only way it is offered. As far as an extraordinary track record, it looks like the numbers are better than it was for Nityananda, but removing the maya may have something to do with the times or with how much maya is prevelent. Alot means Kaliyuga. maybe at some other time, the numbers will look a lot different. There also are no rules acording to my Guru about stating what is, and therefore the accuracy of what is being stated is therefore one way or the other. One can be enlightened and say so as Christ did or not, but the reality of the situation stays the same, and the same for what is taking place regarding the declarations in my path . Hridaya
[FairfieldLife] Re: Muse of the Day
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To All: Many in the news media are speculating about the possiblity of the US attacking Iran due to its nuclear program and other activities that contribute to the instability in the Middle East. For the Israelis, this speculation is a welcome diversion. The Israelis know fully well that they need the support of the US and western Europe to maintain its status and relative peace in the Middle East. However, Israel will not hesitate to attack Iran and bomb its nuclear development anytime Israel perceives that the USA is not having any influence on the peace process in the region. If the US decides to get out of Iraq, there's a great likelihood that Israel will take matters into its own hands. It is likely that Israel already has adequate intelligence about Iran's nuclear facilities. So, without any moment's hesitation, Israel can attack those facilities at the most strategic and surreptitious time. Regards, John R. An oil-rich nation like Iran is increasingly important to the West, and threats against Iran are threats to the West, notwithstanding the West's long-term relations with Iran's enemy. Under the present arms imbalance in the middle east, it's bad form to threaten a nation that wants a nuclear program when you yourself have nuclear weapons numbered in the dozens, if not hundreds. I'm not in favor of weapons prolifeation, but a degree of stability ironically emerges when the defensive capabilty's of competing nations are approximate.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: for Nabby
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 12:08 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: for Nabby As far as an extraordinary track record, it looks like the numbers are better than it was for Nityananda, but removing the maya may have something to do with the times or with how much maya is prevelent. Alot means Kaliyuga. maybe at some other time, the numbers will look a lot different. I think that things are heating up in the world, and that people are getting enlightened more readily than they did in Nityananda’s day. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.0/1048 - Release Date: 10/3/2007 8:22 PM
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New and Will Leave
curtisdeltablues wrote: I'm not here to judge you or the other. Catch the irony? Sorry other people didn't act the way you wish and entertain you more. Having done a search on your posts since joining I didn't get much in the clarity or peace department from you either. You haven't contributed anything of substance and now you are making a show of leaving while maintaining that you are not here to judge. I enjoy judging. Here is my verdict: you are guilty of not posting interesting, thought provoking posts and then pompously criticizing the group for not posting more of these for you. I'm sure bruised ego will not allow for this to happen, but if you want a message board to reflect your own values, do the work and write some cool stuff. People coming on this board to criticize how others are posting are soo tiresome. Exactly. It seems the people who wanted to limit the number of posts rarely if ever posted themselves. And the same with folks who don't like the content of posts here. I guess they believe they're the thought police.
[FairfieldLife] Re: I guess this will make Shiva happy...reminds me of a
What is the source of Nityananda saying that none of his diciples were enlightened? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ron sidha7001@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boo_lives boo_lives@ wrote: At first, I was very annoyed about the announcement that they intended to build hundreds of these towers of invincibility around the world, at several mil a pop, which seemed only to designed to tell Bevan et al how wonderful they are, and seem foolish when many cities do not have TM centers and MUM and the M. Central University are drastically underfunded. That's certainly part of it, as there are plaques on the sides of the towers saluting TM administrators, but these are really Shiva lingams, and as a wearer of rudraksha who learned TM from a monk in the Shankara (Shiva) tradition, I can't be opposed to that. Building these towers/lingams creates auspiciousness -- doesn't matter what the ignorant public thinks one way or the other. MMY is going to create this influence of Vedic civilization, and there are not enough hillbillies in the world to stop it. http://tinyurl.com/28rojh It's not hillbillies who think it's stupid, it's anyone in touch with reality. I am laughing myself to death . This is the effect of laughter like this, the me is gone in the middle of it. I lost it when I read this one line response Hridaya I'm happy that you found reality with a guru that suggest reading material and meetings for the enlightened to stay enlightened Ron. Now that's real enlightenment, right ? ;-) ouch!:-) The ouch would be questioning the methodology of a guru that has brought 5 to enlightenment since 1999. Nityananda, Guru to Muktananda sadly left his body early declaring that there were none ( and Muktananda is one of his disciples), and this was not long ago. Even in this case, it was probably not an ouch as the methodology was reasonable. The real ouch is where there are none enlightened after a long presence - then in looking at the methodology, it may be quite obvious why this has happened. There are wild things taking place with Gurus these days. Hridaya
[FairfieldLife] Re: for Nabby
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 12:08 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: for Nabby As far as an extraordinary track record, it looks like the numbers are better than it was for Nityananda, but removing the maya may have something to do with the times or with how much maya is prevelent. Alot means Kaliyuga. maybe at some other time, the numbers will look a lot different. I think that things are heating up in the world, and that people are getting enlightened more readily than they did in Nityananda's day. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.0/1048 - Release Date: 10/3/2007 8:22 PM One comment my Guru made was that more and more Guru's are needed because there are more and more spontaneous kundalini awakenings these days, so will it be a casualty or will it be put to use for the purpose of moving one forward for enlightenment as quickly as possible. Regarding enlightened ones, my experience tells me that what is written by the claimants is a start, then the truth comes out once one is around them, and especially seen by one that knows what to look for. such things as is there a need for outer stimuli in order to feel contented, is there a total flow in the life or is there doership by a me. Sometimes it does not even take an enlightened one to detect something sour going on but still always tricky. i had one claimant that was revealing her discoveries of my past life to me. Then it was obvious that she was doing this with many. One not knowing what is going on may be quite fascinated with this, then ask questions about her discovery as I did. This is when the shit hit the fan and things went out of control. In this case, my Guru was aware where i was and was there as guidance for me. To make a long story short, I have been through this sort of thing, resulting in going into a big depression for months afterwards, but didn't happen this time. The words of my Guru about this one, who declares enlightenment on her own and is a kalki Diksha giver- she is lost she is going to give diksha to people and fuck them up iN my path here, only those with a stilled mind are athorized to give shaktipat Hridaya
[FairfieldLife] William Butler Yeats' Theory of Reincarnation Explained
What is reincarnation? To begin with, reincarnation does not take place within a matrix of linear time. It's not as if e.g. you had a life in ancient Greece and then you died; then you had a life in ancient Rome and then you died; then you had a life in the Middle Ages and then you died; etc. Rather, all of your past and future lives are going on at once, in an eternal NOW moment. Think of it like this: survivors of near-death experiences often report seeing all the events that ever happened to them flash by them in no time at all. Thus it would seem that we experience the thought forms of our lives twice once in linear fashion over a lifetime, and the second time around in timeless fashion at the moment of death. In an analogous manner, while there is indeed an evolution going on in the universe, this evolution is not taking place in linear time: it's all happening at once. Space and time have no objective existence. They are merely cognitive tools which evolved as sentient beings evolved, to enable them to focus upon one thing at a time instead of everything at once. The linearity of time is an illusion, a falsehood, which Eastern philosophers have termed maya or samsara. It is this false appearance that there is such a thing as an objective reality out there unfolding in linear time, which animates the striving of all sentient beings and keeps the wheel of reincarnation of life and death and rebirth turning. Babies (and even young children, who sometimes talk about memories from other lifetimes) are not as centered in a one-track existence as adults are. Babies and young children are consciously impinged upon by influences from other lives and probable realities which most adults have learned to ignore. The same socialization process which props up a baby's sense of being a unitary, abiding, separated individual also imprisons that individual in a furrow of inexorable linear temporality. For most people, 99.9% of decisions are made on the basis of socially-conditioned actions and reactions what they were taught by their parents and society. But every now and then everyone has poignant moments moments of consciousness or conscientiousness or conscience when they sense that probable realities are branching off this way or that; or they feel echoes from other lifetimes and realities; or they hear voices from deep inside them. When this happens people feel connected to something more profound than their customary hustle and bustle; and that something is their true purpose in this lifetime the reason they were born. Nobel laureate William Butler Yeats' channeled masterpiece A Vision explains the true nature of reincarnation what it really is and how it really works. Starting this coming month Magical Almanac, Bob Makransky's free monthly ezine of astrology and magic, will be presenting a six-article series which explains the theory of reincarnation as described in A Vision. This series includes complete instructions for safe and easy techniques you can use on your own to run past life regressions and probable reality progressions; and to recapitulate memories from your present lifetime (thereby releasing the pent-up emotions which you have invested in your memories). To subscribe, send an e-mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You can also subscribe (and view past issues) at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MagicalAlmanac http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MagicalAlmanac Privacy Statement: We will not give or sell your name or e-mail address to anyone, ever. We all to some extent meet again and again the same people and certainly in some cases form a kind of family of two or three or more persons who come together life after life until all passionate relations are exhausted, the child of one life the husband, wife, brother, sister of the next. Sometimes, however, a single relationship will repeat itself, turning its revolving wheel again and again. William Butler Yeats, A Vision
[FairfieldLife] Re: I guess this will make Shiva happy...reminds me of a
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, andrasayer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is the source of Nityananda saying that none of his diciples were enlightened? My Guru knows someone that was there at the time of his passing. He had said not one came that was there for a bigger Me. My guru said they didn;t find anything wrong with the form. Just as there was a writting claiming Gurudev apointed MMY to go out to the world ( read this in this forum) which contradicted what I heard MMY say about how the movement got started, so there also is some writtings floating around where Nityananda is supposedly recognizing muktananda as the guru to go out to the world. My quote is going to run out so either email me directly if you have something further to say or i will start an overflow post yahoo group for ffl Hridaya
Re: [FairfieldLife] Rising consciousness?
hugheshugo wrote: Here's a thought, instead of judging rising consciousness purely on what the dow jones is doing, why not judge it on how many things like this are going on. http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,2182952,00.html Surely any vaguely civilized society would have banned this a long time ago. Seems that any rising consciousness is offset by the Bush crime family pulling it down. Their turning this country into a Stalinist police state with cops mistreating innocent citizens all over the place. The stock market rose because the dollar is worth less not because things are better here. IOW, it takes more dollars to equal the dollar value of a stock just a few weeks ago.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rising consciousness?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The stock market rose because the dollar is worth less not because things are better here. IOW, it takes more dollars to equal the dollar value of a stock just a few weeks ago. Tell me about it. If I had taken all of my money out of dollars and put it into Euros four+ years ago, when I first thought about moving to France, I would have seen almost a 50% return on my non- investment in America. As it turns out, I waited too long, and only saw about a 30% return on pulling my bucks out of bucks and putting them into Euros. How many of you did that well with your savings accounts or investments?
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: I guess this will make Shiva happy...reminds me of a
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 2:02 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: I guess this will make Shiva happy...reminds me of a My quote is going to run out so either email me directly if you have something further to say or i will start an overflow post yahoo group for ffl You’re up to 29, so you’ve got 6 left. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.0/1048 - Release Date: 10/3/2007 8:22 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: for Nabby
HP : Well lemme think, what would be the purpose in knowing or believeing that my Guru has brought 5 to enlightenment since 1999. For those interested in a Guru who may be available to work with, it would be most useful I would guess. Nabby: Of course, if it was true. But since it is just a contradicting story from you it has 0, zero, nada value whatsoever. HP: if an enlightened Guru were available to work with you one to one that has brought people to enlightenment, and then this would be useful to you as you claim, then please let me know how it would be useful? Do you think that any enlightened Guru is going to accept you when you insist on doing your TM and keep up with and taking instructions from MMY? Or do you think by going to this Guru and taking blessings or darshan that this is going to propel you to enlightenment? My opinion is if you are happy with TM fine, then why would you need another guru? This is why weather you believe my Guru is enlightened or not , either way, it has no bearing in your life right now, nothing changes for you. For me, the belief that my Guru is enlightened has a major impact, major change in my life because based on this belief, I have gone into the path full force, adopted the practices, received transmissions, which is grace, and entered into a state of peace that prior to this was not there. So, believing one way or the other in itself has very insignificant effect, it is the course of action put into place based on a belief that can move mountains. Hridaya
[FairfieldLife] Re: William Butler Yeats' Theory of Reincarnation Explained
snip Magical Almanac, Bob Makransky's free monthly ezine of astrology and magic, snip Some lines are so good they make reading the whole post worth it! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tom_kimb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is reincarnation? To begin with, reincarnation does not take place within a matrix of linear time. It's not as if e.g. you had a life in ancient Greece and then you died; then you had a life in ancient Rome and then you died; then you had a life in the Middle Ages and then you died; etc. Rather, all of your past and future lives are going on at once, in an eternal NOW moment. Think of it like this: survivors of near-death experiences often report seeing all the events that ever happened to them flash by them in no time at all. Thus it would seem that we experience the thought forms of our lives twice once in linear fashion over a lifetime, and the second time around in timeless fashion at the moment of death. In an analogous manner, while there is indeed an evolution going on in the universe, this evolution is not taking place in linear time: it's all happening at once. Space and time have no objective existence. They are merely cognitive tools which evolved as sentient beings evolved, to enable them to focus upon one thing at a time instead of everything at once. The linearity of time is an illusion, a falsehood, which Eastern philosophers have termed maya or samsara. It is this false appearance that there is such a thing as an objective reality out there unfolding in linear time, which animates the striving of all sentient beings and keeps the wheel of reincarnation of life and death and rebirth turning. Babies (and even young children, who sometimes talk about memories from other lifetimes) are not as centered in a one-track existence as adults are. Babies and young children are consciously impinged upon by influences from other lives and probable realities which most adults have learned to ignore. The same socialization process which props up a baby's sense of being a unitary, abiding, separated individual also imprisons that individual in a furrow of inexorable linear temporality. For most people, 99.9% of decisions are made on the basis of socially-conditioned actions and reactions what they were taught by their parents and society. But every now and then everyone has poignant moments moments of consciousness or conscientiousness or conscience when they sense that probable realities are branching off this way or that; or they feel echoes from other lifetimes and realities; or they hear voices from deep inside them. When this happens people feel connected to something more profound than their customary hustle and bustle; and that something is their true purpose in this lifetime the reason they were born. Nobel laureate William Butler Yeats' channeled masterpiece A Vision explains the true nature of reincarnation what it really is and how it really works. Starting this coming month Magical Almanac, Bob Makransky's free monthly ezine of astrology and magic, will be presenting a six-article series which explains the theory of reincarnation as described in A Vision. This series includes complete instructions for safe and easy techniques you can use on your own to run past life regressions and probable reality progressions; and to recapitulate memories from your present lifetime (thereby releasing the pent-up emotions which you have invested in your memories). To subscribe, send an e-mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You can also subscribe (and view past issues) at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MagicalAlmanac http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MagicalAlmanac Privacy Statement: We will not give or sell your name or e-mail address to anyone, ever. We all to some extent meet again and again the same people and certainly in some cases form a kind of family of two or three or more persons who come together life after life until all passionate relations are exhausted, the child of one life the husband, wife, brother, sister of the next. Sometimes, however, a single relationship will repeat itself, turning its revolving wheel again and again. William Butler Yeats, A Vision
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Bad news for Bevan
In a message dated 10/3/07 10:48:33 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Being a few pounds overweight is one thing, but to be morbidly obese, like Bevan has been for many years, is a sign of some real mental health issues, and he's not the only looney tunes in the TM mgmt lineup. I think it's important to give these guys a reality check once in a while in the middle of that non-stop we are the masters of the universe song and dance, which will be true some day, but certainly not today. He really aught to look into Gastric by pass, seriously. I can only imagine the number of co-morbidities he has. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: ALEX, is this Real.??
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, sir Alex, could you tell me if this is REAL..?? http://www.bio.net/hypermail/biomatrx/2001-June/001279.html I did a Google search, and that is an actual product being sold. So, in that sense, it is real. Does such a product actually work? I seriously doubt it. Wanna lose weight? Lower your caloric intake.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bad news for Bevan
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 10/3/07 10:48:33 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Being a few pounds overweight is one thing, but to be morbidly obese, like Bevan has been for many years, is a sign of some real mental health issues, and he's not the only looney tunes in the TM mgmt lineup. I think it's important to give these guys a reality check once in a while in the middle of that non-stop we are the masters of the universe song and dance, which will be true some day, but certainly not today. He really aught to look into Gastric by pass, seriously. I can only imagine the number of co-morbidities he has. ** As bad as his overeating problem is, I think he should manage it in an ayurvedic way. Gastric bypass is dangerous -- although studies vary in estimating the risk, this link claims 1 in 50 people die within a year after bypass, and it's worse if the surgeon is not hightly experienced: http://tinyurl.com/5ckrp
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Bad news for Bevan
In a message dated 10/4/07 8:52:46 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: a message dated 10/3/07 10:48:33 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) writes: Being a few pounds overweight is one thing, but to be morbidly obese, like Bevan has been for many years, is a sign of some real mental health issues, and he's not the only looney tunes in the TM mgmt lineup. I think it's important to give these guys a reality check once in a while in the middle of that non-stop we are the masters of the universe song and dance, which will be true some day, but certainly not today. He really aught to look into Gastric by pass, seriously. I can only imagine the number of co-morbidities he has. *** As bad as his overeating problem is, I think he should manage it in an ayurvedic way. Gastric bypass is dangerous -- although studies vary in estimating the risk, this link claims 1 in 50 people die within a year after bypass, and it's worse if the surgeon is not hightly experienced: Problem is, it's obvious he hasn't been able to manage it at all. Otherwise, he wouldn't have the weight problem he has. Gastric by pass isn't near as risky as some would have you believe. Death from the surgery is down to less than one in a hundred and most of those that die are the super morbidly obese, 500 pounds and higher with horrible co-morbidities. In other words people who are on death's door anyway. There are plenty of surgeons all over the country that are specializing in this surgery now. I had it done on May 22nd and have lost over 80 pounds since and am off all medications I needed before, blood pressure, cholesterol,,joint pain medication and off the C-pap. I have much more energy, sleep better, no back or joint pain and on top of that my meditations have been much better since. But... it's a decision that only he can make and if he ever asked me I would encourage him to research it and talk to Doctors who specialize in it and also talk with several people who have had it done. It will change his life for sure. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Bad news for Bevan
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 10/4/07 8:52:46 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: a message dated 10/3/07 10:48:33 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) writes: Being a few pounds overweight is one thing, but to be morbidly obese, like Bevan has been for many years, is a sign of some real mental health issues, and he's not the only looney tunes in the TM mgmt lineup. I think it's important to give these guys a reality check once in a while in the middle of that non-stop we are the masters of the universe song and dance, which will be true some day, but certainly not today. He really aught to look into Gastric by pass, seriously. I can only imagine the number of co-morbidities he has. *** As bad as his overeating problem is, I think he should manage it in an ayurvedic way. Gastric bypass is dangerous -- although studies vary in estimating the risk, this link claims 1 in 50 people die within a year after bypass, and it's worse if the surgeon is not hightly experienced: Problem is, it's obvious he hasn't been able to manage it at all. Otherwise, he wouldn't have the weight problem he has. Gastric by pass isn't near as risky as some would have you believe. Death from the surgery is down to less than one in a hundred and most of those that die are the super morbidly obese, 500 pounds and higher with horrible co-morbidities. In other words people who are on death's door anyway. There are plenty of surgeons all over the country that are specializing in this surgery now. I had it done on May 22nd and have lost over 80 pounds since and am off all medications I needed before, blood pressure, cholesterol,,joint pain medication and off the C-pap. I have much more energy, sleep better, no back or joint pain and on top of that my meditations have been much better since. But... it's a decision that only he can make and if he ever asked me I would encourage him to research it and talk to Doctors who specialize in it and also talk with several people who have had it done. It will change his life for sure. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com For his heritage he probably eats way too many carbs. You can't eat like an Indian unless you are Indian. He could drop weight on a low carb diet. Carbs make you want to eat more carbs and those extra carbs get put on as fat. By reducing carbs you also get the body's fat burning metabolism back in shape. After awhile a person will come back into their own natural carb/protein/fats allotment. Probably the TMO is hazardous to his health and he should run not just walk away from it. But he's probably too old for that. :) I'm glad you are pleased with the surgery but I find many of these western allopathic experiments somewhat ridiculous.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TIME to BAN LURK
Turq: Let me try to use an analogy. A cop pulls me over for speeding. He gets off his motor cycle and walks up to my window and says, You were speeding. I say, Yes, I was. He says, Well...aren't you going to make some excuse? I say, No. I was speeding. He then says, Well...*I* expect you to show some remorse. Otherwise I'm going to write you up for speeding. And I say, Write me up. I was speeding. But he *keeps* standing there, saying over and over, But...but...you *have* to express some remorse...that's what I *expect* when I bust someone for doing something I consider wrong. And I keep saying, Write the ticket. Lurk: Yea, of course. This makes sense. We're on the same page, (not that you give a r a.) This was the point I was making. You were a naughty boy, and as a naughty boy, there might be consequences. I don't care if you are repentant. I didn't expect you be repentant. I just thought you were trying to make a flame into stress release, and aren't we (the greater good) better that the stress has been released. Plus, it appears that the flaming violation is not going to be prosecuted anyway. If I have picked up on what Rick is saying, he is not comfortable making a subjective judgement on what is or is not a flame, and can't/won't make this determination. Too bad that he feels this way. As Meister Edg has oft said, even a 10 year can spot what we would call a flame. I was just trying to hi-light these posts. I turned around expecting to see some back up, and realized there wasn't any. Boo hoo for me. love ya. lurk
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bad news for Bevan
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 10/4/07 8:52:46 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: a message dated 10/3/07 10:48:33 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) writes: Being a few pounds overweight is one thing, but to be morbidly obese, like Bevan has been for many years, is a sign of some real mental health issues, and he's not the only looney tunes in the TM mgmt lineup. I think it's important to give these guys a reality check once in a while in the middle of that non-stop we are the masters of the universe song and dance, which will be true some day, but certainly not today. He really aught to look into Gastric by pass, seriously. I can only imagine the number of co-morbidities he has. *** As bad as his overeating problem is, I think he should manage it in an ayurvedic way. Gastric bypass is dangerous -- although studies vary in estimating the risk, this link claims 1 in 50 people die within a year after bypass, and it's worse if the surgeon is not hightly experienced: Problem is, it's obvious he hasn't been able to manage it at all. Otherwise, he wouldn't have the weight problem he has. Gastric by pass isn't near as risky as some would have you believe. Death from the surgery is down to less than one in a hundred and most of those that die are the super morbidly obese, 500 pounds and higher with horrible co-morbidities. In other words people who are on death's door anyway. There are plenty of surgeons all over the country that are specializing in this surgery now. I had it done on May 22nd and have lost over 80 pounds since and am off all medications I needed before, blood pressure, cholesterol,,joint pain medication and off the C-pap. I have much more energy, sleep better, no back or joint pain and on top of that my meditations have been much better since. But... it's a decision that only he can make and if he ever asked me I would encourage him to research it and talk to Doctors who specialize in it and also talk with several people who have had it done. It will change his life for sure. ** I'm glad it worked out for you, and your health has greatly improved. I guess as a last resort Bevan could go under the knife, but I would prefer to see him locked in his room and handed 1500 calories of rice and dahl a day...
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Bad news for Bevan
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of bob_brigante Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 11:12 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Bad news for Bevan I'm glad it worked out for you, and your health has greatly improved. I guess as a last resort Bevan could go under the knife, but I would prefer to see him locked in his room and handed 1500 calories of rice and dahl a day... When I was on Purusha at MIU back in the early 80’s, I went to Bevan’s apartment a few times to help serve at his dinner parties. He and his guests ate very rich foods, which is why I went, because I got to gnosh some back in the kitchen. I’ve heard that he eats that way routinely. He has always had a well stocked larder. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.1/1050 - Release Date: 10/4/2007 5:03 PM
