[FairfieldLife] Re: Public Webcast of the Press Conference for the David Lynch Foundation Benefi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig lengli...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: Um, that number is totally bogus, spare. I heard they started at $75...don't know what the most expensive were, but it's seriously unlikely they came anywhere near that. They can't even get anywhere near that much scalping them. Guffaw. Rumors were that they sold out in just a few minutes and ended up being scalped on ebay for close to $10 grand each. You can pretned that 6000 seats in a charity concert sell for $75 each in NTC but I think you're slightly out of your mind. Um...Lawson...the actual ticket prices are contained in this viral email sent to meditators. One simple search on Ebay showed that the highest *asking price* (much less what they actually got for them) was $750, most much less. Now could we have a comment from you about your charge of insane? Advanced purchase email for TMers: *** Dear Friends, The David Lynch Foundation wishes to extend to every member of the U.S. TM family a special advance opportunity to purchase a ticket for the Change Begins Within Concert April 4th at Radio City Music Hall in New York City. The benefit concert will feature Paul McCartney, Ringo Starr, Sheryl Crow, Donovan, Eddie Vedder, Moby, and Paul Horn. (http://www.davidlynchfoundation.org) Beginning at 9am Eastern Time, Sunday morning March 8th we will have a SPECIAL PRE-SALE for our meditator family. The time window for this special pre-sale is 9am to 11am Eastern time on Sunday. Starting at 11am, the presale will expand to a much larger group and the chances of getting a ticket will decrease. You may order your concert tickets by phone or online by calling 866-858-0008 or 212-307-1000, or by going online to the pre-sale ordering page:http://www.ticketmaster.com/event/1D00424BAF8134DB General Admission tickets are $79.50, $99.50, $129.50, $225.50, $325.50 and $504.50. There is a limit of 6 tickets per person. We recommend that you have the Radio City seating chart open in advance so that you can see the different price and seating options http://www.radiocity.com/media/global/radio_seating.pdf PLEASE, PLEASE do not forward this email to anyone. You are receiving this email because you are on an approved meditator email list and a trusted member of our family. If this gets out to anyone beyond our immediate family, the risk of a viral email spreading is too great...
[FairfieldLife] SCOOP! -- preview of the benefit concert set list
We here at Music For Meditators have recieved the inside poop on some of the songs to be performed at tonight's gala benefit concert. The concert will supposedly open with Paul Horn (flutist) performing songs from his last (and only) hit album, 1972's Inside. Rumors have it that he wanted the promoters to rebuild the entire Taj Mahal onstage for him so that he could emulate the acoustic effects he got from playing inside it on the album, but that the TM cheapskates refused, so he's going to have to make do with echo loops. Next will come Paul McCartney, setting the tone of the evening with a rendition of his song, Spin It On. His and Ringo's full set list is still unclear, but we know that it will contain a medley of songs dedi- cated to the theme of aging gracefully, including: Crackin' Up, Medicine Jar, Don't Get Around Much Anymore and Live And Let Die. Next up will be Moby, singing his sattvic hits When It's Cold I'd Like To Die, That's When I Reach For My Revolver, and (appropriately) Great Escape. He will finish up with a touching personal memoir medley of One Minute Man and Sleep Alone. Eddie Vedder will perform a medley of Love Boat Captain and Dangers Of Love, which some say is his autobiographical retelling of the fateful night on a yacht with a dozen groupies that went so so wrong. Sheryl Crow promises a somewhat steamier set, with a set of tunes dedicated to sex and sexuality: If It Makes You Happy, Body Kiss, Mr. Goodbar, All I Wanna Do, and Love Is All There Is. Finally, the whole ensemble will gather onstage and sing The Fool On The Hill and Listen To What The Man Said. The encore will be a group performance of Sexy Sadie.
[FairfieldLife] Karma Chameleon
Instant karmas gonna get you Gonna knock you right on the head You better get yourself together Pretty soon youre gonna be dead What in the world you thinking of Laughing in the face of love What on earth you tryin to do Its up to you, yeah you Instant karmas gonna get you Gonna look you right in the face Better get yourself together darlin Join the human race How in the world you gonna see Laughin at fools like me Who in the hell dyou think you are A super star Well, right you are Well we all shine on Like the moon and the stars and the sun Well we all shine on Evryone come on Instant karmas gonna get you Gonna knock you off your feet Better recognize your brothers Evryone you meet Why in the world are we here Surely not to live in pain and fear Why on earth are you there When youre evrywhere Come and get your share Well we all shine on Like the moon and the stars and the sun Yeah we all shine on Come on and on and on on on Yeah yeah, alright, uh huh, ah Well we all shine on Like the moon and the stars and the sun Yeah we all shine on On and on and on on and on Well we all shine on Like the moon and the stars and the sun Well we all shine on Like the moon and the stars and the sun Well we all shine on Like the moon and the stars and the sun Yeah we all shine on Like the moon and the stars and the sun GA_googleFillSlot(lyricsfreak-300x50-btf); We Say Hello, John! Wherever Ye May Be.
[FairfieldLife] Things get real good...from within. (was Re: New Conference)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote: Can be viewd here : http://www.davidlynchfoundation.org/ Having finally had time to watch yesterday's press conference, I'll spend a little time rapping about my impressions of it. I have to say that 1) there is little question that these people are all well- meaning and that their hearts are in the right places, but 2) many of them are *really* not the sharpest pencils in the box. I'd never seen David Lynch speak before. Now I know why, if his quote in the subject line is an indication of *how* he speaks. Ringo was jetlagged and thus rambling and near-incoherent, but he was rambling and near-incoherent nonetheless. Bob Roth looked like he's training in preparation for entering the Keith Richards Who Can Look The Most Dead While Still Being Technically Alive contest. Hagelin was comfortable in front of the cameras and a good speaker, but on the whole his schtick reminded me of the TV preachers who raise money while invoking the poor children. By comparison Russell Simmons struck me as more intelligent. Donovan has *never* been the sharpest pencil in the box, and upheld that tradition masterfully. Paul Horn was cool; it was good to see him again. On the other hand, it wasn't good to see Mike Love, who is still the same near-illiterate asshole I knew and tolerated so many years ago. (It brought tears to my mind.) Moby was good, except that he outgrew his idea that TM involved ritual animal sacrifice...someone should tell him about the Vedic horse sacrifice :-) He at least can speak without interjecting Like every 3 words...uh...like Mike. As always, after trotting out the personalities, then they trotted out the science, introduced again by a surprisingly not-well-spoken Lynch. I now understand my Internet friend's stories about the years she spent as Lynch's secretary and the difficulties she had explaining simple facets of real life to him. The teachers themselves, by comparison, were literate and good presenters. Personally, I watched it hoping to see Sheryl Crow, and was a little disappointed she wasn't there. I like her music, and she's not exactly hard to look at. But no. Anyway, on the whole I thought it was an *effective* press conference, given what it attempted to do (sell TM by getting people emotionally pumped up about the poor children at risk). I hope the concert is good and the attendees get their money's worth. The per- formers are all professionals, so I'm pretty sure that the music will be good. As for the program itself, I wish it well. I really do think that kids would benefit from learning a simple form of meditation while still kids. That the form of meditation being proposed is TM I think is problematic because I honestly believe that the way it's taught and explained in followup talks is religously-based and thus inappropriate for American schools given the Constitution and the clear wishes of America's founding fathers. But the courts will decide that. But as for the concert itself, I hope that any lurkers here who are attending enjoy it, and that they come back and give us their first-hand impressions.
[FairfieldLife] 'Welcome to Iowa/The Gay State'
DES MOINES, Iowa – Gay marriage, seemingly the providence of the nation's two coasts, is just weeks away from penetrating the heartland and it appears there is nothing social conservatives can do immediately to stop it. The Iowa Supreme Court on Friday unanimously upheld a lower-court ruling that rejected a state law restricting marriage to a union between a man and woman. Now gays and lesbians may exchange vows as soon as April 24 following the landmark decision. The county attorney who defended the law said he would not seek a rehearing. The only recourse for opponents appeared to be a constitutional amendment, which couldn't get on the ballot until 2012 at the earliest. I would say the mood is one of mourning right now in a lot of ways, said a dejected Bryan English, spokesman for the Iowa Family Policy Center, a conservative group that opposes same-sex marriage. In the meantime, same-sex marriage opponents may try to enact residency requirements for marriage so that gays and lesbians from across the country could not travel to Iowa to wed. U.S. Rep. Steve King, R-Iowa, urged the Legislature to do so, saying he feared without residency requirements Iowa would become the gay marriage mecca. Only Massachusetts and Connecticut currently permit same-sex marriage. For six months last year, California's high court allowed gay marriage before voters banned it in November. For gays and lesbians, meanwhile, the day was one of jubilation. The Vermont House of Representatives also passed a measure Friday that would allow same-sex couples to wed, on a 94-52 roll call vote, just short of the two-thirds majority needed to override a promised veto by Gov. Jim Douglas. Gay marriage supporters hoped to convince a few Vermont legislators to switch when it comes to the override vote, which could be taken as soon as Tuesday. In Iowa, hundreds cheered, waved rainbow flags and shed tears of joy at rallies in seven cities Friday evening. Corn-fed and Ready to Wed! read one man's sign at a gathering at the University of Northern Iowa in Cedar Falls. In downtown Des Moines, about 300 people gathered beneath rainbow flags to celebrate including Des Moines Mayor Frank Cownie. We finally have equality in Iowa, said Harold Delaria, of Des Moines, who attended the rally and has two gay children. It's kind of the last wall of legalized discrimination and it's coming tumbling down. The Rev. Diane McLanahan of Trinity United Methodist Church in Des Moines acknowledged that many people of faith won't agree with the ruling. With that in mind, she said the court has reached a decision that pretty much insists that this will not be a debate about religious rights but a matter of equality and fairness. In its ruling, the Supreme Court upheld an August 2007 decision by a judge who found that a state law limiting marriage to a man and a woman violates the constitutional rights of equal protection. Iowa lawmakers have excluded a historically disfavored class of persons from a supremely important civil institution without a constitutionally sufficient justification, the justices wrote. To issue any other decision, the seven justices said, would be an abdication of our constitutional duty. At a news conference announcing the decision, plaintiff Kate Varnum, 34, introduced her partner, Trish Varnum, as my fiance. I never thought I'd be able to say that, she said, fighting back tears. Jason Morgan, 38, said he and his partner, Chuck Swaggerty, adopted two sons, confronted the death of Swaggerty's mother and endured a four-year legal battle as plaintiffs. If being together though all of that isn't love and commitment or isn't family or marriage, then I don't know what is, Morgan said. We are very happy with the decision today and very proud to live in Iowa. Iowa has a history of being in the forefront on social issues. It was among the first states to legalize interracial marriage and to allow married women to own property. It was also the first state to admit a woman to the bar to practice law and was a leader in school desegregation. Senate Majority Leader Mike Gronstal, a Democrat, said state lawmakers were unlikely to consider gay marriage legislation in this legislative session, which is expected to end within weeks. Gronstal also said he's not inclined to propose a constitutional amendment during next year's session. Without a vote by the Legislature this year or next, the soonest gay marriage could be repealed would be 2014. Amendments to Iowa's constitution must be passed by the House and Senate in two consecutive general assemblies, which each last two years, and then approved by a simple majority of voters during a general election. Iowa's Democratic governor, Chet Culver, said he would review the decision before announcing his views.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Welcome to Iowa/The Gay State'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii...@... wrote: DES MOINES, Iowa â Gay marriage, seemingly the providence of the nation's two coasts, is just weeks away from penetrating the heartland and it appears there is nothing social conservatives can do immediately to stop it. The Iowa Supreme Court on Friday unanimously upheld a lower- court ruling that rejected a state law restricting marriage to a union between a man and woman. Now gays and lesbians may exchange vows as soon as April 24 following the landmark decision. The county attorney who defended the law said he would not seek a rehearing. The only recourse for opponents appeared to be a constitutional amendment, which couldn't get on the ballot until 2012 at the earliest. I would say the mood is one of mourning right now in a lot of ways, said a dejected Bryan English, spokesman for the Iowa Family Policy Center, a conservative group that opposes same-sex marriage. If you know Iowans who are in such a state of mourning, this trailer for Sacha Baron Cohen's new movie Bruno should cheer them up: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFySyGaQP7E NOTE: Because this trailer, like the film, is R-rated, Nabby, Jim Flanegin and Willytex are going to have to lie and claim that they are over the age of 18 in order to see it. This should pose no problems for Nabby, considering the lies he's had to tell to get on courses over the years.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Public Webcast of the Press Conference for the David Lynch Foundation Benefi
On Apr 4, 2009, at 1:40 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: Um...Lawson...the actual ticket prices are contained in this viral email sent to meditators. One simple search on Ebay showed that the highest *asking price* (much less what they actually got for them) was $750, most much less. Now could we have a comment from you about your charge of insane? Yeah, he'll ignore it rather than admit he was wrong. I did see some going for $1500 a few days ago--asking price. Have no idea what they actually got. Advanced purchase email for TMers: *** Dear Friends, The David Lynch Foundation wishes to extend to every member of the U.S. TM family a special advance opportunity to purchase a ticket for the Change Begins Within Concert April 4th at Radio City Music Hall in New York City. The benefit concert will feature Paul McCartney, Ringo Starr, Sheryl Crow, Donovan, Eddie Vedder, Moby, and Paul Horn. (http://www.davidlynchfoundation.org) Beginning at 9am Eastern Time, Sunday morning March 8th we will have a SPECIAL PRE-SALE for our meditator family. The time window for this special pre-sale is 9am to 11am Eastern time on Sunday. Starting at 11am, the presale will expand to a much larger group and the chances of getting a ticket will decrease. You may order your concert tickets by phone or online by calling 866-858-0008 or 212-307-1000, or by going online to the pre-sale ordering page:http://www.ticketmaster.com/event/1D00424BAF8134DB General Admission tickets are $79.50, $99.50, $129.50, $225.50, $325.50 and $504.50. There is a limit of 6 tickets per person. We recommend that you have the Radio City seating chart open in advance so that you can see the different price and seating options http://www.radiocity.com/media/global/radio_seating.pdf Which is almost exactly what I said, $75 being the low price I had heard. PLEASE, PLEASE do not forward this email to anyone. You are receiving this email because you are on an approved meditator email list and a trusted member of our family. If this gets out to anyone beyond our immediate family, the risk of a viral email spreading is too great... approved meditator list...lol Glad to see you're on it, Barry! Thanks for posting that--sure clears up any confusion. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Things get real good...from within. (was Re: New Conference)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: As for the program itself, I wish it well. I really do think that kids would benefit from learning a simple form of meditation while still kids. That the form of meditation being proposed is TM I think is problematic because I honestly believe that the way it's taught and explained in followup talks is religously-based and thus inappropriate for American schools given the Constitution and the clear wishes of America's founding fathers. But the courts will decide that. What other form of meditation would you propose? The de-Easternized forms of mindfulness meditation Vaj has talked about numerous times. No other organization is more capable, willing or funded enough to tackle a project of the magnitude proposed by the TMO. LOL. The TMO is **not** funding this. They are getting PAID $600 a head for every student they teach. They are doing what they've always done, trying to get someone else to pay for everything while sitting on bank accounts and real estate worth millions and millions of dollars. By comparison at least three groups I know of -- Mindfulness Meditation, Sahaja Meditation and Vipassana Meditation -- teach FOR FREE and always have. They don't look at what they do as a way of making money; the TMO does. No one else has ever come forward with the resources or a plan to teach as many kids ANY meditation technique. The groups mentioned above are not trying to recruit people into their cult and finding them- selves unable to do so without marketing to kids.
[FairfieldLife] Things get real good...from within. (was Re: New Conference)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: As for the program itself, I wish it well. I really do think that kids would benefit from learning a simple form of meditation while still kids. That the form of meditation being proposed is TM I think is problematic because I honestly believe that the way it's taught and explained in followup talks is religously-based and thus inappropriate for American schools given the Constitution and the clear wishes of America's founding fathers. But the courts will decide that. What other form of meditation would you propose? No other organization is more capable, willing or funded enough to tackle a project of the magnitude proposed by the TMO. No one else has ever come forward with the resources or a plan to teach as many kids ANY meditation technique. The TMO is well aware of the legal pitfalls to teaching TM in public schools, been there done that, and they have probably prepared for it. It's possible someone will challenge TM in the schools, and it's also possible the courts will rule that TM is not a religion and O.K. to teach in schools. By the time such a case winds its way through the court, perhaps thousands of kids will have learned TM. The concept of charter schools is on the rise. The Obama administration is eager to implement innovative programs that help kids learn in such schools. Charter schools as well as public schools could become a proving ground for the effectiveness of TM. Either way my bet is that once TM gets rolling, and kids are doing well with it, no one will want to stop it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Wind turbines could more than meet U.S. electricity needs, report says
Shemp, Shemp, Shemp, Please tell us the below was you being satirical. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcg...@... wrote: The problem with wind turbines is if you put up too many of them they will cut down all winds blowing across the world and this will cause our planet to stop spinning on its axis and we will all be throw into deep space along with planes, trains, automobiles, and anything else that isn't tethered to Mother Earth. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal L.Shaddai@ wrote: http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-energy3-2009apr03,0,7532220.story?track=rss http://tinyurl.com/dzasmm* * Temperature difference caused by taking the power out of the wind would be around 1 degree difference, about the same as the localized effect of a city. * *[image: Los Angeles Times] http://www.latimes.com/ The Interior Department report, which looks at the potential of wind turbines off the U.S. coast, is part of the government's process to chart a course for offshore energy development. By Jim Tankersley April 3, 2009 Reporting from Arlington, Va. -- Wind turbines off U.S. coastlines could potentially supply more than enough electricity to meet the nation's current demand, the Interior Department reported Thursday. Simply harnessing the wind in relatively shallow waters -- the most accessible and technically feasible sites for offshore turbines -- could produce at least 20% of the power demand for most coastal states, Interior Secretary Ken Salazar said, unveiling a report by the Minerals Management Service that details the potential for oil, gas and renewable development on the outer continental shelf. The biggest wind potential lies off the nation's Atlantic coast, which the Interior report estimates could produce 1,000 gigawatts of electricity -- enough to meet a quarter of the national demand. The report also notes large potential in the Pacific, including off the California coast, but said the area presented technical challenges. The Interior Department released an executive summaryhttp://www.doi.gov/ocs/ExecutiveSummary-final.pdfof the report on Thursday. It noted that strong wind resources also exist offshore California, Oregon, Washington and Hawaii, but it appears that the majority of this resource lies in deep waters where technology constraints are potentially significant -- a sentiment Salazar echoed when asked about Pacific wind potential. The report also suggests vast oil and gas reserves off the Pacific coast: the equivalent of 10 billion to 18 billion barrels of oil. Salazar told attendees at the 25x'25 Summit in Virginia, a gathering of agriculture and energy representatives exploring ways to cut carbon dioxide emissions, that we are only beginning to tap the potential of offshore renewable energy. The report is a step in the Obama administration's mission to chart a course for offshore energy development, an issue that gained urgency last year amid high oil prices and chants of Drill, baby, drill at the Republican National Convention. Critics have accused President Obama and Salazar of dragging their feet on new oil and gas drilling, and Thursday's report does little to rebut those complaints. It includes no new estimates of potential oil and gas reserves offshore and notes that some of the existing estimates are based on 25-year-old seismic studies. Meeting with reporters after his speech, Salazar said he would wait to decide whether to commission new seismic studies until after he convened a four-stop series of offshore energy hearings, which begin next week in Atlantic City, N.J. In San Francisco, a hearing will be held April 16 at 9 a.m. at the Mission Bay Conference Center at UC San Francisco. Drilling advocates say updated estimates could show even more offshore oil potential. In contrast, Salazar said he expected a push to expedite offshore wind development to be one of the most significant aspects at the hearings. He pledged to finalize guidelines for such development, which the Bush administration failed to complete before leaving office, within about two months. jtankersley@
[FairfieldLife] Things get real good...from within. (was Re: New Conference)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: By comparison at least three groups I know of -- Mindfulness Meditation, Sahaja Meditation and Vipassana Meditation -- teach FOR FREE and always have. They don't look at what they do as a way of making money; the TMO does. No one else has ever come forward with the resources or a plan to teach as many kids ANY meditation technique. The groups mentioned above are not trying to recruit people into their cult and finding them- selves unable to do so without marketing to kids. If the groups you mentioned teach for free, why are they not capable of implementing a program to teach as many kids in the schools as the TMO is willing and able to do? I just googled Sahaja Meditaion and here's what is got: http://www.sahajayoga.com.au/index.php Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi is a very nice grandmotherly Indian lady who founded her meditation technique in 1970. This is a sample of her teachings: http://www.chicagoyoga.org/meditation-room/2/1 Place the left hand in front of your lower abdomen, palm facing the body. Raise the left hand up vertically, until it reaches a position above your head. While the left hand is ascending, the right hand rotates around it clockwise, until both hands are above the head. Use both hands to tie a knot. Repeat three times and the third time tie the knot three times, fixing your attention and the Kundalini energy above the seventh chakra. Try it. Pat your head and rub your belly. Fun, isn't it?
[FairfieldLife] Things get real good...from within. (was Re: New Conference)
--- What other form of meditation would you propose? The de-Easternized forms of mindfulness meditation Vaj has talked about numerous times. No other organization is more capable, willing or funded enough to tackle a project of the magnitude proposed by the TMO. (snip) The only problem with that is, that the technique, just keeps the mind on a superficial level, without transcending and getting the breath to stillness...and it doesn't explain the different states of consciousness, and so much more...so, in my humble oppinion, TM is far superior to this 'mindfullness' stuff. Mindfulness, turns out to be 'mindlessness', as one is always off on a thought or emotion, and never transcends the field of thought of emotion...there is no vehicle to produce finer levels of thought, and therefore, like Psychanalysis keeps one from ever transcending thought and emotions. R.G.
[FairfieldLife] Characteristics of the Unified Field
Characteristics of the Unified Field Nothing to forgive Our true nature Embraces all Peace Harmony Trust Clarity Love Wisdom Inclusion Beauty Vibrancy Unlimited outlook Unlimited freedom Bliss Fulfillment Unlimited realization of potentials Understanding True knowledge Mastery of life Aliveness Unification Larger Self Undefended Confident Unity Essence Power Gratitude Open http://www.unifying.com/manifesting/index.htm Innocence Health Eternalness Authentic Unlimited thinking Self esteem Self Worth Flow Safety Unconditional Loving Neutrality Joy Creation Allowing Success Abundance Guidance Intuition Direct experiences All is well True stability and safety Transformative Transcendence Unlimited thinking Appreciation
[FairfieldLife] Things get real good...from within. (was Re: New Conference)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: By comparison at least three groups I know of -- Mindfulness Meditation, Sahaja Meditation and Vipassana Meditation -- teach FOR FREE and always have. They don't look at what they do as a way of making money; the TMO does. No one else has ever come forward with the resources or a plan to teach as many kids ANY meditation technique. The groups mentioned above are not trying to recruit people into their cult and finding them- selves unable to do so without marketing to kids. If the groups you mentioned teach for free, why are they not capable of implementing a program to teach as many kids in the schools as the TMO is willing and able to do? You keep evading the point in an attempt to obfuscate, Raunchy. The **TM organization** was not capable of creating such a program. They had to get someone to do it for them. Their *theoretical* involvement in this pro- gram consists of providing their services as PAID OUTSIDE CONTRACTORS to the David Lynch Foundation, at a cost of $600 per head. That is (on the average) 10X more than the average beginner's meditation course costs in America. And many others are taught for free. So it's not really as if the TM movement GAVE A DAMN about these kids. They just see this as a way to allow someone they normally would never associate with (David Lynch) to do all the P.R. and heavy lifting for them, while they sit back and rake in $600 a head for each student instructed. Stop trying to portray the TMO as somehow noble in this endeavor. David Lynch might be, Paul McCartney and Ringo and the others might be. But the TMO is in it for the same reason they have *always* been into it -- for the money and to grow the cult. IMO, of course. I just googled Sahaja Meditaion and here's what is got: http://www.sahajayoga.com.au/index.php I know nothing about it. I just Googled meditation for free. TM did not come up in the list. Surprise. Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi is a very nice grandmotherly Indian lady who founded her meditation technique in 1970. This is a sample of her teachings: http://www.chicagoyoga.org/meditation-room/2/1 Place the left hand in front of your lower abdomen, palm facing the body. Raise the left hand up vertically, until it reaches a position above your head. While the left hand is ascending, the right hand rotates around it clockwise, until both hands are above the head. Use both hands to tie a knot. Repeat three times and the third time tie the knot three times, fixing your attention and the Kundalini energy above the seventh chakra. Try it. Pat your head and rub your belly. Fun, isn't it? How would you know? WE all know that YOU didn't try it. JUST as you've never tried any of the other techniques of meditation you characterize here as difficult and as not as good as TM. You're just parroting the things you were taught to parrot, convinced that what you practice is the best practice because long ago, back when you were young and impres- sionable, someone TOLD you it was the best and you believed every word of it. And now you're a big fan of telling young and impressionable kids the same thing, so that they spend *their* whole lives doing what you did and settling for what they were told. Hmm. Programming begets programming...
[FairfieldLife] Re: VERY SPECIAL MEETING IN THE DOME 3:00pm FRIDAY!
We were Graced. Though so too bad half of the remaining Tru-believers had left town to see the Beatles concert in NYC. Jai Guru Dev, -Doug in FF Everyone is warmly invited to a very special meeting here in person with Maharaja Adhiraj Rajaraam, First Ruler of the Global Country of World Peace. This rare occasion will be hosted by Prime Minister Bevan Morris and the Rajas of the Global Country of World Peace Friday, April 3, at 3:00 p.m. in the Maharishi Patanjali Golden Dome of Pure Knowledge Please bring your current program badge. Jai Guru Dev
[FairfieldLife] Recommendation for John Knapp - re: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John M. Knapp, LMSW jmknap...@... wrote: HI, Curtis, Sal, and everyone, It's not my intention to end the fight here. But it's important to me that my co-presenters not become entangled in some protracted legal battle with DLF or TMO. I believe it may be possible to use this turn of events to publicize my concerns about TM in public schools in a much larger fashion than the webinar itself would have done. I believe the aftermath of this concert will be that the TM Org is held to a level of scrutiny that they have not seen before. But I'm taking the afternoon off to decompress. This has been an emotional day for me. I have received many emails of support for which I am thankful. Talk to you soon! J. John M. Knapp, LMSW Recovery from Toxic Groups, Abusive Churches Cults KnappFamilyCounseling.com If I might make a suggestion: It appears that the TMO has at its disposal a legal team that you, on your own, can't match. Why not get the ACLU and Americans United for Separation of Church and State involved - and we'll see how successfully the TMO's 'invincible' legal team stands up. This issue really DOES deserve a conclusive decision - one way or another.
[FairfieldLife] Turq worships his Founding Gurus from afar -- go figure.
TurquoiseB wrote: [snip] That the form of meditation being proposed is TM I think is problematic because I honestly believe that the way it's taught and explained in followup talks is religously-based and thus inappropriate for American schools given the Constitution and the clear wishes of America's founding fathers. But the courts will decide that. Turq, Didn't you sorta choke while writing that last statement? I mean: you, someone who's posted a thousand reasons not to trust anyone's OPINION without there being logic and science behind it (at the least,) are bending your knee to the OPINIONS of the founding fathers. WTF? -- you an expat saying this? If the wisdom of the founding fathers is your guide, then, you're for slavery, no voting rights for women, and, oh, I almost forgot, genocide as a tool for getting all the land from the natives. Those founding fathers were not magic. They came up with a document that could be augmented, but they didn't come up with anything that guarantees that the finer qualities of humanity would emerge from the people. They did as good as they could, but by today's moral standards, they were elitist barbarians who believed so much nonsense that they'd shock even Rush Limbaugh with the depth of their disconnects. And they didn't forbid religion in government -- they made their form of government into a religion that was backed up by guns. A religion with all the trappings of entitlement, symbolic clothing (clean,) elitist powers, and even the right to kill anyone for almost any reason if merely 12 dunderheads can be made into a lynch mob in a courtroom. The Constitution is the basis of a religion that allows ANYTHING if money can be made from it and some of that money is given to the politicians (priests.) I like Mel Gibson's line from The Patriot. His character was being prompted to join the Revolutionary War because everyone had HAD IT with King George, the tyrant. He said: Better to have one tyrant 3,000 miles away than 3,000 tyrants one mile away. That's what his character thought about the neighborliness of those founding fathers-to-be. Any representational form of government can be easily controlled by money. The words of the Constitution are nothing to the BigWadsmerely something to augment if money can be made. Edg
[FairfieldLife] Bütles ....
http://newsquake.netscape.com/2007/02/08/recording-the-beatles-geoff-emeric k-speaks/ http://newsquake.netscape.com/2007/02/08/recording-the-beatles-geoff-emerick -speaks/ Hi Rick, with all the fancying about the Beatles and TM going on after the concert, there is a real good source. Their sound engineer geoff emerick, who helped shaped peculiar sounds since the Revolver Album. In his book Here, There and Everywhere, he clearly describes the difference, the Bealtes where in when they came back from India. Reading it, one can understand, that the whole TM and maharishi broke that group spirit. After India, it was everyone on his own. The maharishi was for his own movement, and had no intentions to help the artists gain deeper understanding of their problem. Yes, TM is a quite good beginning, but taking care of people ? And helping groups to succeed ? Its only Take the next course, but pls. spare me with your personal crap. cheers joerg. PS: yes, you can put it on FFL.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Wind turbines could more than meet U.S. electricity needs, report says
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_re...@... wrote: Shemp, Shemp, Shemp, Please tell us the below was you being satirical. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: The problem with wind turbines is if you put up too many of them they will cut down all winds blowing across the world and this will cause our planet to stop spinning on its axis and we will all be throw into deep space along with planes, trains, automobiles, and anything else that isn't tethered to Mother Earth. snip, I don't think this will cause a noticeable problem as it will be such a long time before the windmills excede the number of trees that have been cut down that we shouldn't worry.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ten things that would make me become a TM TB again
Might be that some TB's have never left but just don't have or need a current dome badge. Once a transcendentalist always a transcendentalist. Eternal Transcendent Field grant, we pray To all Meditators, both night and day, The courage, honor, strength, and skill Their lives to serve, thy law fulfill; Be thou the shield forevermore From every peril to our meditation. Jai Guru Dev, --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_re...@... wrote: What would it take for you to become a TM TB again? I guess almost any miracle could do the trick for me. If lots of folks started hovering, or one person hovered in a very scientific setting, I'd immediately start TM again. 1. So, I think of hovering as a proof despite the fact that Turq says that his Rama guy did it in front of crowds and many times. To me something's hinky with Turq's reporting, cuz, in my world, real hovering is a feat that gets the CIA kidnapping your ass. Seems likely that the Rama guy was a magician, not a MAGICIAN. Show me a true MAGICIAN and I'm sold out. 2. If Maharishi came back from the dead, , yeah that'd do for me too. 3. If some sort of class-action suit completely exposed all the finances of the TMO and showed that -- unbelievably -- all the money went to promoting TM instead of buying yachts for Girish, AND, if some knock your socks off scientific measurements showed at least some mind-over-matter processes during TM -- such as some blood chemistry marker that's immediately changed when one starts meditating and that marker is known so well that scientists flock to get TM instructions, then, yeah, I might be a redneck, er, TB. 4. Okay, anyone coming back from the dead and saying TM works -- yeah, that'd do it too. Maybe even moreso than if Maharishi came back, cuz, maybe Maharishi never died and merely faked it so that he could seemingly come back from the dead, but if, say, Hitler came back and espoused TM, sorry Jews, but I'll be listening to Adolph. 5. If some verifiable ancient document was found that predicted the advent of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and TM in precise and exacting terms (whatever that means,) well, that'd turn my head, but the verification had better be non-controversial and widely accepted by scholars. And/or, if some dead sea scrolls were found that listed all-and-only the TM mantras, I'd go Urp, say what? 6. If a UFO lands and out comes some entity with Maharishi's Gita in its hands/tenticles, and this entity says something like: Maharishi is the most famous teacher in all the cosmos and he's incarnate in over 1,000 bodies on 1,000 planets. Um, it would get my interest. 7. If any MAV products were endorsed by the AMA and the FDA to be powerful healers, and if physicians reported that their patients were additionally having spiritual experiences of significant intensity, okay, I'll revisit my TM only works somewhat conclusions. 8. If the words Transcendental Meditation Works appeared on the Moon and was easily read by the naked eye by anyone on Earth, okay, that's got me just like the UFO landing concept got me. 9. If a nanobot swarm becomes conscious and form itself into the shape of a human being and then that entity meditates using a TM mantra -- okay, sign me up again. 10. If Curtis, Vaj, Turq, and their ilk started TM again and reported that, despite the long lapse of time since they last meditated, that they were NOW having tremendous, full-reality, spiritual experiences with gods, angels, et al, then, hey, I'd sit in the chair for at least a few attempts. You? What would it take? Edg
[FairfieldLife] Re: Turq worships his Founding Gurus from afar -- go figure.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_re...@... wrote: TurquoiseB wrote: [snip] That the form of meditation being proposed is TM I think is problematic because I honestly believe that the way it's taught and explained in followup talks is religously-based and thus inappropriate for American schools given the Constitution and the clear wishes of America's founding fathers. But the courts will decide that. Turq, Didn't you sorta choke while writing that last statement? I mean: you, someone who's posted a thousand reasons not to trust anyone's OPINION without there being logic and science behind it (at the least,)... I've never said any such thing. About all I've said is that *everyone's* opinion is just that, and *remains* that, no matter how much logic or science they use to try to sell it. ...are bending your knee to the OPINIONS of the founding fathers. WTF? -- you an expat saying this? In this instance, my opinion agrees with their opinion, that's all. But that still puts me leagues ahead of you, dude. With all of your pretensions to being so intelligent, you've now fallen for two of Shemp's *obvious* trolls in a row. And you've *still* never figured out the first one, the one about the hospital. Out of curiosity I showed that one to the ten-year-old son of a friend who was visit- ing me and he got it immediately. If you are so smart, why didn't you? :-) :-) :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Wind turbines could more than meet U.S. electricity needs, report says
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcg...@... wrote: The problem with wind turbines is... ...that they are already old hat. This free ebook (1800 pages) can provide all that is required whether the wind blows or not: http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk Look out for Charles Flynn, Tesla Switch, Robert Adams, Bob Boyce. And Takahashi here: http://www.cheniere.org/misc/wankel.htm Uns.
[FairfieldLife] The Star is seen worldwide
Share International News Release No. 89, 3 April 2009 The Star is seen worldwide For over 30 years author, lecturer and artist Benjamin Creme has been preparing the way for the emergence of Maitreya, the World Teacher. On 12 December 2008 Share International distributed a news release announcing that in the very near future a large, bright Star would appear in the sky visible throughout the world, night and day. The Star heralds the imminent emergence of Maitreya, who will be giving His first interview on a major US television programme very soon. Since January 2009 hundreds of sightings of the Star have been reported worldwide. Videos of the Star posted on YouTube are creating much debate and Share International is receiving more and more photographs showing the Star in a variety of stunning colours and shapes. In his latest article, Benjamin Creme's Master reiterates the significance of the Star and seeks to stimulate public discussion about its meaning and purpose. See attached photograph showing the Star from various countries. For more photographs and eye-witness reports visit www.share-international.org http://www.share-international.org/ . The restoration of the world From almost every point of view the situation facing men everywhere grows daily more painful. The economic chaos resulting from years of unlicensed greed and heartless competition lays waste the honest toil and aspiration of countless millions. On the whole, the men of money go blithely on, their treasure intact, while men and women in every country face joblessness, poverty and fear. More accurate readings of climatic changes show men how close this planet is to irreversible calamity, and alarm bells sound loudly on many political fronts, raising to new levels the factor of stress. How much more of this tension can humanity bear? For how long will men accept, mildly, their fate? Desperate men do desperate deeds and already in their minds, if not yet in their actions, many contemplate revolution. Behind the scenes, Maitreya watches carefully these happenings, and gives succour wherever the Law allows. He waits, patiently, for the build-up of response to the sign of His Emergence, the star-like luminary of brilliant power on which many now gaze in wonder and even love. What is desired is some measure of public debate about the significance or meaning of the Star, thus signifying the emergence of Maitreya, the World Teacher. The greater and more public the discussion, the greater does it prepare the way for Maitreya's entry. Soon there will be no gainsaying. Very soon, Venus will move beyond the sight of men and so leave the platform of the heavens open to the Star. Then there will be no doubt that the Star is there for all to see. If sufficient discussion can be fostered on the various media and internet, it will not be long until men see and hear Maitreya speak. He will not be so called, that men can judge His ideas rather than His status. As the economic crisis deepens, a singular reaction is appearing in many countries: alongside the fear, bravado and growing despair is a new understanding of the reasons for the crash the greed and competitive spirit at the centre of our systems and, therefore, the need for sharing. Of themselves, many are awakening to this basic truth and see sharing as the answer to injustice and war. Thus are many ready for Maitreya's Call. This realization will grow as the crisis bites deeper and deeper into the shaky fabric of the outworn forms and structures that no longer work, can never be made to work for long. When Maitreya speaks, He will show that this is so, that the world is ready for the adoption of new and better forms, based on the true needs of the peoples everywhere. His is the task to focus and strengthen this growing realization of the oneness and unity of men, of their mutual dependence and awakening divinity. Thus will Maitreya and humanity work together for the restoration of this world. Benjamin Creme lecture `The Emergence of Maitreya the World Teacher' Friends House, 173 Euston Road, London NW1 Thursday 23 April, 7 to 9.30pm, admission free Share International, PO Box 3677, London NW5 1RU tel: 44-(0)207-482-1113 www.share-international.org http://www.share-international.org/
[FairfieldLife] Robert -- you have to stop to think -- will you?
Robert wrote: The only problem with that is, that the technique, [[mindfulness]] just keeps the mind on a superficial level, without transcending and getting the breath to stillness...and it doesn't explain the different states of consciousness, and so much more...so, in my humble oppinion, TM is far superior to this 'mindfullness' stuff. Mindfulness, turns out to be 'mindlessness', as one is always off on a thought or emotion, and never transcends the field of thought of emotion...there is no vehicle to produce finer levels of thought, and therefore, like Psychanalysis keeps one from ever transcending thought and emotions. R.G. Robert, I worry about you. I read your posts, and everytime, I wonder if you have ever, say, reread anything you've written before you post it. It all seems just off the top of your head. You are blabbing propaganda -- I would suggest you take your above statement one piece at a time and try to actually, you know, see if it means anything to ya. Here, I'll do some of the spade work for ya. Like: the technique, [[mindfulness]] just keeps the mind on a superficial level Here we see that you are asserting that there exists a technique called mindfulness about which everyone reading here will have clarity. As if. (Vaj, don't bother, once again, showing that there's a hundred ways to do something mental that could be in the set called mindfulness, Robert isn't listening.) Robert, is there any chance in hell you could define superficial level? Don't you see the elitism in that phrase? Don't you understand the great insult such a phrase would be if, say, you told the Dali Lama that his mind was merely residing in superficiality after decades of him exploring within? How could anyone anywhere ever think that they can know about another's mindfulness, let alone it's level without, you know, BEING THAT PERSON? And, Robert, have you been tested by all the machines and the analysis of the TMO scientists? Is your level so deep that you can now decide that others are shallow? Or, are you repeating words you've heard from on high and not really trying to get solid on the definitions of the words you use? Like: without transcending and getting the breath to stillness... I've posted here about the four ways to understand the word transcending. Did you bother to consider it? I doubt it. Yet, here you are using that word as if it had only one meaning and that it can only be understood to be valid if breathing is affected when transcending is happening. Um, just for your information, didja ever notice that Maharishi gave us more than one way to control the breath? Is pranyama a form of transcending to you? It is to me, but if it's done without using a mantra, would you honor it as a valid spiritual technique? I agree that stilling the breath is a good thing if it naturally occurs, but, my friend Vaj would scold me for believing that since there's some serious conceptual wait-just-a-damned-minute-there-bub aspects of this phenomenon that he thinks one might want to chew on for a while before committing to stillness of breath as a always-positive thingy. I disagree with him about this, but I have yet to say that he's wrong, because I haven't studied this concept enough to have clarity -- only then will I grab Vaj's arm and swing him around to face my, er, PSYCHIC WRATH -- Oh, yeah, I'm the scorcher, uh huh, uh huh, I like it. Like: [[mindfulness]] it doesn't explain the different states of consciousness, You come out with a concept that there are [[seven]] states of consciousness, but you seem to never have heard Maharishi talking about the 16 calas and that Guru Dev had to die to get to the 16th level. And you don't seem to have any precise grasp of the word consciousness -- can you please tell us what the differences are (if any) between the following words? Consciousnes, amness, pure being, transcendent, awareness, mind, soul, witness. I don't expect you'll answer in any scholarly fashion, because the above question was never a topic of any lecture I ever heard from Maharishi -- and I heard (estimate) over 1,000 lectures by Maharishi, and he never educated me about any of the above distinctions. In his Gita, he's all over the map when he uses these words without any precision. But, you're sure, aren't you, that you have it locked down tight about this word consciousness? Like: Mindfulness, turns out to be 'mindlessness', as one is always off on a thought or emotion, and never transcends the field of thought of emotion... How fucking arrogant can you get?If someone is having a thought -- they're mindless? WTF? You take thousands of other forms of thinking and clump them together into one word and, without a hint of precision defining, you, Robert, are staking your image here on parroted words. Do you really want to only spew the pap you were fed? With the above statement, you dismiss virtually all religious and spiritual techniques of the world. All
[FairfieldLife] Re: Wind turbines could more than meet U.S. electricity needs, report says
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcg...@... wrote: The problem with wind turbines is if you put up too many of them they will cut down all winds blowing across the world and this will cause our planet to stop spinning on its axis and we will all be throw into deep space along with planes, trains, automobiles, and anything else that isn't tethered to Mother Earth. Not quite, but it IS possible for a wind turbine farm to rob the wind locally and affect local weather patterns. Its like planting a really tall grove of trees somewhere. If plants/animals in that location depend on the wind to distribute moisture or whatever to the rest of the system, then the trees disrupt the local pattern and the local ecology. An inverse of the overfarming that created the sahara dessert. L
[FairfieldLife] Re: Public Webcast of the Press Conference for the David Lynch Foundation Benefi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: Um, that number is totally bogus, spare. I heard they started at $75...don't know what the most expensive were, but it's seriously unlikely they came anywhere near that. They can't even get anywhere near that much scalping them. Guffaw. Rumors were that they sold out in just a few minutes and ended up being scalped on ebay for close to $10 grand each. You can pretned that 6000 seats in a charity concert sell for $75 each in NTC but I think you're slightly out of your mind. Um...Lawson...the actual ticket prices are contained in this viral email sent to meditators. One simple search on Ebay showed that the highest *asking price* (much less what they actually got for them) was $750, most much less. Now could we have a comment from you about your charge of insane? Advanced purchase email for TMers: *** Well, my bad then. I noticed the higher end ticket price and not the lower. Darned good pricing then, given that the Beatles sites were hyping the sales. Dear Friends, The David Lynch Foundation wishes to extend to every member of the U.S. TM family a special advance opportunity to purchase a ticket for the Change Begins Within Concert April 4th at Radio City Music Hall in New York City. The benefit concert will feature Paul McCartney, Ringo Starr, Sheryl Crow, Donovan, Eddie Vedder, Moby, and Paul Horn. (http://www.davidlynchfoundation.org) Beginning at 9am Eastern Time, Sunday morning March 8th we will have a SPECIAL PRE-SALE for our meditator family. The time window for this special pre-sale is 9am to 11am Eastern time on Sunday. Starting at 11am, the presale will expand to a much larger group and the chances of getting a ticket will decrease. You may order your concert tickets by phone or online by calling 866-858-0008 or 212-307-1000, or by going online to the pre-sale ordering page:http://www.ticketmaster.com/event/1D00424BAF8134DB General Admission tickets are $79.50, $99.50, $129.50, $225.50, $325.50 and $504.50. There is a limit of 6 tickets per person. We recommend that you have the Radio City seating chart open in advance so that you can see the different price and seating options http://www.radiocity.com/media/global/radio_seating.pdf PLEASE, PLEASE do not forward this email to anyone. You are receiving this email because you are on an approved meditator email list and a trusted member of our family. If this gets out to anyone beyond our immediate family, the risk of a viral email spreading is too great...
[FairfieldLife] Things get real good...from within. (was Re: New Conference)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: As for the program itself, I wish it well. I really do think that kids would benefit from learning a simple form of meditation while still kids. That the form of meditation being proposed is TM I think is problematic because I honestly believe that the way it's taught and explained in followup talks is religously-based and thus inappropriate for American schools given the Constitution and the clear wishes of America's founding fathers. But the courts will decide that. What other form of meditation would you propose? No other organization is more capable, willing or funded enough to tackle a project of the magnitude proposed by the TMO. No one else has ever come forward with the resources or a plan to teach as many kids ANY meditation technique. The TMO is well aware of the legal pitfalls to teaching TM in public schools, been there done that, and they have probably prepared for it. It's possible someone will challenge TM in the schools, and it's also possible the courts will rule that TM is not a religion and O.K. to teach in schools. By the time such a case winds its way through the court, perhaps thousands of kids will have learned TM. The concept of charter schools is on the rise. The Obama administration is eager to implement innovative programs that help kids learn in such schools. Charter schools as well as public schools could become a proving ground for the effectiveness of TM. Either way my bet is that once TM gets rolling, and kids are doing well with it, no one will want to stop it. Technically charter schools (at least in AZ) are still public schools, but (again in AZ) they are beholden only to the state and not local, school boards, so they have a LOT more leeway in what they can do. Each charter school is basically a local school district in its own right, governed directly by the participants so the local community can't dictate what is or isn't taught to those kids. A mixed bag, to be sure. L
[FairfieldLife] Re: Public Webcast of the Press Conference for the David Lynch Foundation Benefi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote: On Apr 4, 2009, at 1:40 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: Um...Lawson...the actual ticket prices are contained in this viral email sent to meditators. One simple search on Ebay showed that the highest *asking price* (much less what they actually got for them) was $750, most much less. Now could we have a comment from you about your charge of insane? Yeah, he'll ignore it rather than admit he was wrong.= You know, I've always prided myself on admitting I was wrong when someone points out to me the facts that contradict my beliefs on something. Do you have a reason to think otherwise, or are you merely assuming that since I disagree with you about so many obvious things that I'm totally unreasonable and dishonest in how I deal with you? L.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Recommendation for John Knapp - re: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John M. Knapp, LMSW jmknapp53@ wrote: HI, Curtis, Sal, and everyone, It's not my intention to end the fight here. But it's important to me that my co-presenters not become entangled in some protracted legal battle with DLF or TMO. I believe it may be possible to use this turn of events to publicize my concerns about TM in public schools in a much larger fashion than the webinar itself would have done. I believe the aftermath of this concert will be that the TM Org is held to a level of scrutiny that they have not seen before. But I'm taking the afternoon off to decompress. This has been an emotional day for me. I have received many emails of support for which I am thankful. Talk to you soon! J. John M. Knapp, LMSW Recovery from Toxic Groups, Abusive Churches Cults KnappFamilyCounseling.com If I might make a suggestion: It appears that the TMO has at its disposal a legal team that you, on your own, can't match. Why not get the ACLU and Americans United for Separation of Church and State involved - and we'll see how successfully the TMO's 'invincible' legal team stands up. This issue really DOES deserve a conclusive decision - one way or another. The ACLU likely has no stake in the matter, but Americans United may. However, they have been unable to convince any parents to bring lawsuit against the local schools and the David Lynch Foundation over the TM Quiet Time issue so far, and it may be that neither John nor any of his fellow anti-quiet-time friends have standing in teh courts either. There's been several interviews with the Americans United folk over this, BTW. I think you can find reference to it on their website. L.
[FairfieldLife] Things get real good...from within. (was Re: New Conference)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: By comparison at least three groups I know of -- Mindfulness Meditation, Sahaja Meditation and Vipassana Meditation -- teach FOR FREE and always have. They don't look at what they do as a way of making money; the TMO does. No one else has ever come forward with the resources or a plan to teach as many kids ANY meditation technique. The groups mentioned above are not trying to recruit people into their cult and finding them- selves unable to do so without marketing to kids. If the groups you mentioned teach for free, why are they not capable of implementing a program to teach as many kids in the schools as the TMO is willing and able to do? You keep evading the point in an attempt to obfuscate, Raunchy. The **TM organization** was not capable of creating such a program. They had to get someone to do it for them. Their *theoretical* involvement in this pro- gram consists of providing their services as PAID OUTSIDE CONTRACTORS to the David Lynch Foundation, at a cost of $600 per head. That is (on the average) 10X more than the average beginner's meditation course costs in America. And many others are taught for free. So it's not really as if the TM movement GAVE A DAMN about these kids. They just see this as a way to allow someone they normally would never associate with (David Lynch) to do all the P.R. and heavy lifting for them, while they sit back and rake in $600 a head for each student instructed. Stop trying to portray the TMO as somehow noble in this endeavor. David Lynch might be, Paul McCartney and Ringo and the others might be. But the TMO is in it for the same reason they have *always* been into it -- for the money and to grow the cult. IMO, of course. I just googled Sahaja Meditaion and here's what is got: http://www.sahajayoga.com.au/index.php I know nothing about it. I just Googled meditation for free. TM did not come up in the list. Surprise. It's interesting you're willing to crap shoot a google without finding out if the organizations teaching the meditation techniques you suggest don't somehow wiggle your whiskers about money, cult and religion, when this is such an all consuming concern of yours about TM. Thanks for the tip. Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi is a very nice grandmotherly Indian lady who founded her meditation technique in 1970. This is a sample of her teachings: http://www.chicagoyoga.org/meditation-room/2/1 Place the left hand in front of your lower abdomen, palm facing the body. Raise the left hand up vertically, until it reaches a position above your head. While the left hand is ascending, the right hand rotates around it clockwise, until both hands are above the head. Use both hands to tie a knot. Repeat three times and the third time tie the knot three times, fixing your attention and the Kundalini energy above the seventh chakra. Try it. Pat your head and rub your belly. Fun, isn't it? O.K. Let's back things up a little. Barry you wrote #214244: As for the program itself, I wish it well. I really do think that kids would benefit from learning a simple form of meditation while still kids. That the form of meditation being proposed is TM I think is problematic because I honestly believe that the way it's taught and explained in followup talks is religously-based and thus inappropriate for American schools given the Constitution and the clear wishes of America's founding fathers. But the courts will decide that. It's quite a concession on your part to say, As for the program itself, I wish it well. Thank you for that, perhaps you harbor some faint hope that TM will actually help kids. I hope so as well. However, your well wishing comes with a huge BUT. Meditation can be helpful to kids, BUT, not TM because in your OPINION TM has the taint of money, cult, and religion. When I asked what other meditation program has the resources to accomplish a plan as far reaching as the TMO, you suggested three free meditations. I doubt any of them has ever proffered a program equal to the goals of the TMO for the schools. Maybe they don't charge for meditation but they usually raise money for workshops, books and tapes, CD's DVD's, retreats and an assortment of meditation aids, cushions, shawls, beads, and trinkets. Every organization figures out a way to make money or it doesn't survive or have the ability to promote itself. Besides the objection you have to TM raising money, which other organizations do as well, the organizations that teach the meditation techniques you suggest probably have the other taints you object to as well: cult and religious roots. So there you have it. Horse a piece.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Turq worships his Founding Gurus from afar -- go figure.
below --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: TurquoiseB wrote: [snip] That the form of meditation being proposed is TM I think is problematic because I honestly believe that the way it's taught and explained in followup talks is religously-based and thus inappropriate for American schools given the Constitution and the clear wishes of America's founding fathers. But the courts will decide that. Turq, Didn't you sorta choke while writing that last statement? I mean: you, someone who's posted a thousand reasons not to trust anyone's OPINION without there being logic and science behind it (at the least,)... I've never said any such thing. About all I've said is that *everyone's* opinion is just that, and *remains* that, no matter how much logic or science they use to try to sell it. ...are bending your knee to the OPINIONS of the founding fathers. WTF? -- you an expat saying this? In this instance, my opinion agrees with their opinion, that's all. So, um, a constitution that allows for slavery is okay with you? But that still puts me leagues ahead of you, dude. With all of your pretensions to being so intelligent, Now just a durned minute there, bub. I'm on record here telling how stupid I've been for 30 years. Whenever I find someone else seemingly as lost as myself, I, naturally, point it out to them that they belong in my group, and, I sincerely wish they'd lead me to another one if they can. I know how smart I am to a fairly exacting degree, and I'm record here as saying that unless one is in the 1/2 of 1% level, say, an I.Q. of 140 or above, then one really should never think of oneself as all that cognitively capable of the nuanced thinking that even the most common challenges require one to have if clarity is sought. I'm not that smart, and I've said so here many times. My pretensions are those of Socrates -- I know nothing, but I know very very well what nothing means. Do you? I do, and I've written about nothing here hundreds of times. I know nothing so well, that something (its opposite) is thusly defined, and, thereby, I know that if someone is saying they know something, well then, I'm hoping they're right, cuz knowing nothing is a drag in a world full of somethings. you've now fallen for two of Shemp's *obvious* trolls in a row. And you've *still* never figured out the first one, the one about the hospital. Fuck, I'll be fooled again and again to my deathbed. If your haughty stance about me doesn't include a clarity that you too can be fooled at any moment by even a dunce, then prepare for thy doom. I did a light search and came up empty on anything Shemp wrote about a hospital and to which I'd replied. Gimme a link for this. Out of curiosity I showed that one to the ten-year-old son of a friend who was visit- ing me and he got it immediately. If you are so smart, why didn't you? :-) :-) :-) I've met many a ten year old who had insights I knew not of -- in fact, all ten year olds have deep knowledge about life but they haven't been educated about how to talk about it. Do you think that if you were somehow magically put inside a ten year old's mind that you go: Ho hum, how uninteresting? It would be a freaking alien world, dude. They're out of the box -- only another eight to sixteen years more education will get them inside the box as deeply as you and I are. Edg
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Turq worships his Founding Gurus from afar -- go figure.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_re...@... wrote: snip [Barry wrote:] you've now fallen for two of Shemp's *obvious* trolls in a row. And you've *still* never figured out the first one, the one about the hospital. Fuck, I'll be fooled again and again to my deathbed. If your haughty stance about me doesn't include a clarity that you too can be fooled at any moment by even a dunce, then prepare for thy doom. Barry's been fooled twice, big time, in recent weeks, once by emptybill and again by Doug (hardly dunces, either of them, but then neither is Shemp a dunce in the IQ sense of the word, at least). Most of the rest of us recognized emptybill's and Doug's posts as obvious satire, while Barry went on a full-scale rant, completely oblivious. Not the first time that's happened, either.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Recommendation for John Knapp - re: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig lengli...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John M. Knapp, LMSW jmknapp53@ wrote: HI, Curtis, Sal, and everyone, It's not my intention to end the fight here. But it's important to me that my co-presenters not become entangled in some protracted legal battle with DLF or TMO. I believe it may be possible to use this turn of events to publicize my concerns about TM in public schools in a much larger fashion than the webinar itself would have done. I believe the aftermath of this concert will be that the TM Org is held to a level of scrutiny that they have not seen before. But I'm taking the afternoon off to decompress. This has been an emotional day for me. I have received many emails of support for which I am thankful. Talk to you soon! J. John M. Knapp, LMSW Recovery from Toxic Groups, Abusive Churches Cults KnappFamilyCounseling.com If I might make a suggestion: It appears that the TMO has at its disposal a legal team that you, on your own, can't match. Why not get the ACLU and Americans United for Separation of Church and State involved - and we'll see how successfully the TMO's 'invincible' legal team stands up. This issue really DOES deserve a conclusive decision - one way or another. The ACLU likely has no stake in the matter, but Americans United may. However, they have been unable to convince any parents to bring lawsuit against the local schools and the David Lynch Foundation over the TM Quiet Time issue so far, and it may be that neither John nor any of his fellow anti-quiet-time friends have standing in teh courts either. There's been several interviews with the Americans United folk over this, BTW. I think you can find reference to it on their website. L. By all means SAVE THE CHILDREN from EVIL TM. Give it a rest.
[FairfieldLife] Things get real good...from within. (was Re: New Conference)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: By comparison at least three groups I know of -- Mindfulness Meditation, Sahaja Meditation and Vipassana Meditation -- teach FOR FREE and always have. They don't look at what they do as a way of making money; the TMO does. No one else has ever come forward with the resources or a plan to teach as many kids ANY meditation technique. The groups mentioned above are not trying to recruit people into their cult and finding them- selves unable to do so without marketing to kids. This assumes the only reason anyone would want to teach meditation of any kind to kids is for recruiting purposes, which is obviously not the case. *You* just said, I really do think that kids would benefit from learning a simple form of meditation while still kids. Are you really going to maintain that groups that teach meditation for free aren't teaching kids on a large scale because they aren't interested in recruitment? Do you really believe none of these groups thinks, as you do, that it would be good for the kids to learn meditation? If the groups you mentioned teach for free, why are they not capable of implementing a program to teach as many kids in the schools as the TMO is willing and able to do? You keep evading the point in an attempt to obfuscate, Raunchy. Actually, that would be Barry who is evading Raunchy's point in an attempt to obfuscate. The **TM organization** was not capable of creating such a program. They had to get someone to do it for them. The question is *why* the TMO hasn't done so on its own, not whether it's capable of doing so. Of course it is; goodness knows it has the resources. How many times have we seen the complaint that it doesn't teach for free given its vast financial coffers? But it has never been willing to teach TM for free in countries that could afford to pay for it. It got badly burned with the New Jersey program; from then until now it hasn't attempted a large-scale project but has been working with individual schools in ways that would be unlikely to inspire court challenges. We don't know who came up with the idea for Lynch's current program. Lynch's foundation was begun in 2005, so he's been doing this sort of thing for a while now. The fact is that at least so far, no other group that teaches meditation, for free or otherwise, has had a wealthy celebrity adherent who was willing to take on the effort and costs involved in such a project and use his/her popularity to promote it. And if there were a group that did have such an adherent, would it have the personnel and motivation to implement a similar program on the same scale? snip So it's not really as if the TM movement GAVE A DAMN about these kids. This is so silly it hardly merits comment. MMY's whole reason for teaching TM in the first place was that it was good for people. It's not impossible there are a few exceptions, but virtually everyone in the TMO is still motivated by MMY's messianism. They just see this as a way to allow someone they normally would never associate with (David Lynch) to do all the P.R. and heavy lifting for them, while they sit back and rake in $600 a head for each student instructed. The heavy lifting is partly a matter of getting past the legal issue, as I suggested above, and partly the TMO's longstanding principle of not teaching for free in countries that have the resources to pay for it. And the TMO is hardly sitting back, nor is it letting Lynch do all the P.R. It's clearly a joint effort between Lynch and the TMO. Stop trying to portray the TMO as somehow noble in this endeavor. David Lynch might be, Paul McCartney and Ringo and the others might be. But the TMO is in it for the same reason they have *always* been into it -- for the money and to grow the cult. IMO, of course. Opinions based on assertions contrary to fact aren't worth a whole helluva lot. IMO, of course.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Things get real good...from within. (was Re: New Conference)
On Apr 4, 2009, at 5:37 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: As for the program itself, I wish it well. I really do think that kids would benefit from learning a simple form of meditation while still kids. That the form of meditation being proposed is TM I think is problematic because I honestly believe that the way it's taught and explained in followup talks is religously-based and thus inappropriate for American schools given the Constitution and the clear wishes of America's founding fathers. But the courts will decide that. While one did get a good feeling that kids meditating was a good thing, I was more interested in that they are targeting 'kids at risk'. What seems to be happening is, since it's getting harder for the TM Meditation industry to target American kids without drawing negative attention, they're now targeting the poor in third world countries where such opposition is less likely. In America they seem to be targeting the poor also where resistance would likely be less, as resources to investigate or oppose are also much more feeble. In other words, I have wonder if the TM meditation industry is targeting the poor because they're an easy target. What it really boils down to is: what is the underlying motivation? Is it to help kids, or is it targeted market segments to get the TM Meditation industry back making money and recruiting fresh blood--at 600 bucks a pop? Clearly if it was just for the kids, they could easily pay a salary of 100,000 to a dozen or so teachers who could teach for free for a living. But that is not what they're doing. Therefore, there's a different underlying motivation. What is that underlying motivation?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Recommendation for John Knapp - re: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig lengli...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: [snip] If I might make a suggestion: It appears that the TMO has at its disposal a legal team that you, on your own, can't match. Why not get the ACLU and Americans United for Separation of Church and State involved - and we'll see how successfully the TMO's 'invincible' legal team stands up. This issue really DOES deserve a conclusive decision - one way or another. The ACLU likely has no stake in the matter, but Americans United may. Not true, Lawson. See for example: Americans United For Separation Of Church And State And ACLU File Brief Objecting To Government Promotion of Prayer In Texas' Moment Of Silence Law (6/9/2008) http://www.aclu.org/religion/schools/35582prs20080609.html However, they have been unable to convince any parents to bring lawsuit against the local schools and the David Lynch Foundation over the TM Quiet Time issue so far, I believe that the Americans United for Separation of Church and State can act on their own to bring suit. and it may be that neither John nor any of his fellow anti-quiet-time friends have standing in teh courts either. You don't need standing in the courts to initiate legal action, Lawson. There's been several interviews with the Americans United folk over this, BTW. I think you can find reference to it on their website. -- TM has always been rooted in the religion of Hinduism, says Barry Lynn, executive director of Americans United for Separation of Church and State, which keeps a close legal eye on the TM movement. There are no imminent cases right now, but people, including conservative Christian parents will say if Christianity can't be taught in the public schools then Hinduism can't be either. ~NEWSWEEK - May 29, 2008: http://www.newsweek.com/id/139206 Here's an example where the Americans United for Separation of Church and State was effective in making its case against TM being incorporated into public schools: -- Calif. School Cancels Plans For Transcendental Meditation -- A California public school has dumped plans for a meditation class for students amid concerns from parents that it would be promoting religion. Terra Linda High School in San Rafael was preparing to offer students instruction on Transcendental Meditation (TM). TM is an offshoot of Hinduism, though some of its supporters eschew its religious underpinning and argue the practice is actually science-related. The critically acclaimed filmmaker David Lynch, director of offbeat films such as Wild at Heart, and Blue Velvet, had offered the school a $175,000 grant to start the TM program. A school board meeting in October, however, drew the ire of parents. According to the Associated Press, the meeting turned chaotic, with one parent rushing the stage to denounce TM as a cult. Following the controversy, Lynch's foundation withdrew the grant offer. In 1979, a federal appeals court ruled that a New Jersey public school could not legally sponsor TM. That case was brought in part by Americans United. One judge noted that the names of Hindu deities are chanted in TM ceremonies. TM practitioners, the court ruled, were attempting to take a cow and put a sign on it that says `horse.' Americans United for Separation of Church and State: http://www.au.org/site/News2?abbr=cs_id=8766page=NewsArticle L.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Recommendation for John Knapp - re: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig lengli...@... wrote: However, they have been unable to convince any parents to bring lawsuit against the local schools and the David Lynch Foundation over the TM Quiet Time issue so far, Ah, TM Quiet Time,what perfect rebranding. Who could object to a little quiet time. Catholic Communion Quiet Time Santeria Chicken sacrifice Quiet Time Giving yourself to Jesus' salvation Quiet Time That works really well but I think I missed a special point of how to make it even more palatable for the schools from the TM pros. CC Quiet Time SCS Quiet Time GYTJS Quiet Time Now who could ever have a problem with that! Those names just sound so cute, kinda falls off the tongue. And how many harried parents and teachers don't wish for a little more Quiet Time! One last one for a bonus point: STFU Quiet Time It is so funny to see Paul up there when his own TM practice is by his own description only occasional. He hasn't bought into many of the self improvement benifits of regular practice. His most regular practice is smoking weed, one of the biggest TM no-nos. The first time he tried it when Bob Dylan turned the Beatles on, he exclaimed that he could really think for the first time in his life. His correspondingly weak praise for TM seems a bit damming in comparison. But like most people who took TM, even if he gives it lip-service, he does not practice it regularly. Even if TM really was what is claimed, the truth is that people won't practice it regularly, even if they believe it works a bit. You have to buy into the deeper belief system that includes more religious aspects for people to spend their time doing TM. And it turns out that this is a tiny number of people compared to who was initiated. The lone TMer practicing quietly without the full blown belief system is a myth. But these kids who I have taught in school, at risk kids, with so many sociological problems pulling at them that special education teachers struggle to teach them to read a menu before the succumb to gangs who offer them a family, these kids are going to do what millions of people with higher educations and incomes failed to do: stick with TM. Good intentions aren't enough. And panacea cures don't address the social ills that are dragging down these kids. But it wouldn't even matter if TM did work to raise them up. They wont practice TM, nobody does. And the movement couldn't care less about this fact as they launch program after program destined to fail after scooping up a few bucks. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John M. Knapp, LMSW jmknapp53@ wrote: HI, Curtis, Sal, and everyone, It's not my intention to end the fight here. But it's important to me that my co-presenters not become entangled in some protracted legal battle with DLF or TMO. I believe it may be possible to use this turn of events to publicize my concerns about TM in public schools in a much larger fashion than the webinar itself would have done. I believe the aftermath of this concert will be that the TM Org is held to a level of scrutiny that they have not seen before. But I'm taking the afternoon off to decompress. This has been an emotional day for me. I have received many emails of support for which I am thankful. Talk to you soon! J. John M. Knapp, LMSW Recovery from Toxic Groups, Abusive Churches Cults KnappFamilyCounseling.com If I might make a suggestion: It appears that the TMO has at its disposal a legal team that you, on your own, can't match. Why not get the ACLU and Americans United for Separation of Church and State involved - and we'll see how successfully the TMO's 'invincible' legal team stands up. This issue really DOES deserve a conclusive decision - one way or another. The ACLU likely has no stake in the matter, but Americans United may. However, they have been unable to convince any parents to bring lawsuit against the local schools and the David Lynch Foundation over the TM Quiet Time issue so far, and it may be that neither John nor any of his fellow anti-quiet-time friends have standing in teh courts either. There's been several interviews with the Americans United folk over this, BTW. I think you can find reference to it on their website. L.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Recommendation for John Knapp - re: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: [snip] If I might make a suggestion: It appears that the TMO has at its disposal a legal team that you, on your own, can't match. Why not get the ACLU and Americans United for Separation of Church and State involved - and we'll see how successfully the TMO's 'invincible' legal team stands up. This issue really DOES deserve a conclusive decision - one way or another. The ACLU likely has no stake in the matter, but Americans United may. Not true, Lawson. See for example: Americans United For Separation Of Church And State And ACLU File Brief Objecting To Government Promotion of Prayer In Texas' Moment Of Silence Law (6/9/2008) http://www.aclu.org/religion/schools/35582prs20080609.html However, they have been unable to convince any parents to bring lawsuit against the local schools and the David Lynch Foundation over the TM Quiet Time issue so far, I believe that the Americans United for Separation of Church and State can act on their own to bring suit. and it may be that neither John nor any of his fellow anti-quiet-time friends have standing in teh courts either. You don't need standing in the courts to initiate legal action, Lawson. There's been several interviews with the Americans United folk over this, BTW. I think you can find reference to it on their website. -- TM has always been rooted in the religion of Hinduism, says Barry Lynn, executive director of Americans United for Separation of Church and State, which keeps a close legal eye on the TM movement. There are no imminent cases right now, but people, including conservative Christian parents will say if Christianity can't be taught in the public schools then Hinduism can't be either. ~NEWSWEEK - May 29, 2008: http://www.newsweek.com/id/139206 Here's an example where the Americans United for Separation of Church and State was effective in making its case against TM being incorporated into public schools: -- Calif. School Cancels Plans For Transcendental Meditation -- A California public school has dumped plans for a meditation class for students amid concerns from parents that it would be promoting religion. Terra Linda High School in San Rafael was preparing to offer students instruction on Transcendental Meditation (TM). TM is an offshoot of Hinduism, though some of its supporters eschew its religious underpinning and argue the practice is actually science-related. The critically acclaimed filmmaker David Lynch, director of offbeat films such as Wild at Heart, and Blue Velvet, had offered the school a $175,000 grant to start the TM program. A school board meeting in October, however, drew the ire of parents. According to the Associated Press, the meeting turned chaotic, with one parent rushing the stage to denounce TM as a cult. Following the controversy, Lynch's foundation withdrew the grant offer. In 1979, a federal appeals court ruled that a New Jersey public school could not legally sponsor TM. That case was brought in part by Americans United. One judge noted that the names of Hindu deities are chanted in TM ceremonies. TM practitioners, the court ruled, were attempting to take a cow and put a sign on it that says `horse.' Americans United for Separation of Church and State: http://www.au.org/site/News2?abbr=cs_id=8766page=NewsArticle L. Ok, but recall that the objection was made locally by a former Fairfield resident, and NOT by ACLU or Americans United. My reading has been that neither has been able to bring a lawsuit on their own and has needed to have a local parent step in. E.G. Malnak vs Yogi was Malnak vs Yogi, not AUFSOCAS vs Yogi. The fact that 1) the puja is done outside school 2) TM is optional even during the quiet time 3) that no TM teacher is directly involved int eh school program 4) that no theory is taught during the school program 5) that the program is NOT funded by the school all seem to make it different than the Malnak vs Yogi case. Not to mention that they haven't been able to get a Malnak to bring suit yet, presumeably because the participation requires parental approval in the first place, unlike in the New Jersey situation and in the case of the california school, the DLF stepped aside rather than let someone take them to court because they objected. They've learned, in other words. Lawson.
[FairfieldLife] Things get real good...from within. (was Re: New Conference)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: What is that underlying motivation? Making the few people sticking to the belief system believe that TM is finally becoming mainstream, as Paul naively parroted in the news conference. The triumphalist dream has finally come and the whole world will recognize how brilliant this tiny group of believers are. This is the big one gang, look, there are two BEATLES, celebrity royalty,on the side of TM! (which they don't regularly practice but are all for the idea of kids doing so.) On Apr 4, 2009, at 5:37 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: As for the program itself, I wish it well. I really do think that kids would benefit from learning a simple form of meditation while still kids. That the form of meditation being proposed is TM I think is problematic because I honestly believe that the way it's taught and explained in followup talks is religously-based and thus inappropriate for American schools given the Constitution and the clear wishes of America's founding fathers. But the courts will decide that. While one did get a good feeling that kids meditating was a good thing, I was more interested in that they are targeting 'kids at risk'. What seems to be happening is, since it's getting harder for the TM Meditation industry to target American kids without drawing negative attention, they're now targeting the poor in third world countries where such opposition is less likely. In America they seem to be targeting the poor also where resistance would likely be less, as resources to investigate or oppose are also much more feeble. In other words, I have wonder if the TM meditation industry is targeting the poor because they're an easy target. What it really boils down to is: what is the underlying motivation? Is it to help kids, or is it targeted market segments to get the TM Meditation industry back making money and recruiting fresh blood--at 600 bucks a pop? Clearly if it was just for the kids, they could easily pay a salary of 100,000 to a dozen or so teachers who could teach for free for a living. But that is not what they're doing. Therefore, there's a different underlying motivation. What is that underlying motivation?
[FairfieldLife] Re: The TM Is Not A Religion Religion
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: snip After 15 years of being stalked by her, You know, if I were going to post a rant alleging that somebody I didn't like suffered from an exaggerated sense of self-importance and was constantly trying to micro-manage their image, and I decided to start out with a blatant lie, I probably would have the good sense not to pick a lie that made me look like *I* had an exaggerated sense of self-importance and was trying to micro-manage my own image. Especially if there was an overwhelming amount of evidence already that I had these traits (and was known for lying as well).
[FairfieldLife] Re: please help me make up my mind!
More Barry in Fantasyland: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: If anyone has any lingering doubts that ed11 is really Jim in drag, here's the proof. Remember back when Jim tried to convince us that the Backstreet Boys were great artists He never said they were great artists. He said he'd seen them on TV once and enjoyed them thoroughly, even though their music wasn't his personal preference. No attempt to convince anybody of anything, just expressing his opinion. (The context was the limitations of Barry's musical elitism.) and that Iron Man was the best film of the year and deserving of an Oscar He never said that. He said it was the best of the superhero flicks that he'd seen and that it oughta win some Oscars because it was so well-made (Barry agreed that it was well-made). and that the TV show American Idol was full of immensely talented performers? He never said that. He did mention American Idol once, but only as an example (among several) of how the materialism of American culture negatively influences the rest of the world. (Nothing about the performers at all.) That's the kind of settle-for-the-lowest-common-denominator, uneducated, anti-intellectual and arrogant approach he had to the arts, and to life in general. And now here is ed11, trying to make a case for TM by quoting **Entertainment Weekly** as if it were the Encyclopedia Britannica. :-) She wasn't trying to make a case for TM by quoting Entertainment Weekly, of course. Here's ed11 saying that he'll toss my bag in with Paul and Ringo and Sheryl and Eddie and the others. All that ed11/Jim needs to help him decide any issue like whether TM is appropriate for teaching in US schools is whether aging rock 'n roll stars think it's OK. Not what she said or what she meant. And oh, BTW: I do not admit the possibility that any point of view can be 'right.' What I would acknowledge is that your point of view is just as valid as mine. --Barry Wright, 3/28/09
[FairfieldLife] Re: Wind turbines could .. and the Planet Niroba
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor uns_tres...@... wrote: ...that they are already old hat. This free ebook (1800 pages) can provide all that is required whether the wind blows or not: http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk This is an interesting and entertaining book -- from first glance. But my impression of such books is that they were written by a group from the last Star Trek convention who found and edited a secret manuscript of a MIT grad student on acid -- dumped in the alley way as the student was being hauled off to Bellvue. Take the 15th chapter. The premise is that a huge brown dwarf (Niroba) with 5 orbiting planets, passes by our solar system every 3600 years, in past cycles caused the oceans to rise up, revealing the ocean floor, created Noah's flood, and currently is the total cause of global warming (and that CO2 has absolutely nothing to do with it). When the author spouts such, it tends to enhance my first premise, above. And there is a s*load of venture capital money for new energy technology -- if Chapters 1-14 had any economic viability, the VCs would be knocking their doors down to get a piece of the action. And it would be getting serious finding form DOE, EPA and university labs. Nada. Thus my first premise. Not a challenge, but a friendly reuest, do you have any cites that indicates the economic viability of any of these things -- and serious scientific / technology work being done using them? (and admittedly I did not read the whole thing) Look out for Charles Flynn, Tesla Switch, Robert Adams, Bob Boyce. And Takahashi here: http://www.cheniere.org/misc/wankel.htm Uns.
[FairfieldLife] Quiet time as it manifested at MSAE when I taught there
Not many times, but enough, I was a substitute teacher at MSAE, and I never had a classroom do group meditation in any manner that even remotely looks like quiet time. I don't know if they've finally fixed this at MSAE, but when I was there, kids would be fucking off all during group meditation -- to the point of laughing aloud, never closing their eyes, tossing notes to each other, speaking to each other, and being haughty about it when I made eye contact with them to brow beat them into closing their eyes. Yeah, I was the substitute and kids like to misbehave when a sub is there, but, still, if that's how they act when no one important is looking, then that's a strong measurement of MSAE's inability to inculcate a reverence for TM...or that a reverence naturally bubbles up eventually in the kids. And don't miss that all the rich folks never send their kids to MUM for college. In the public schools, believe me, any TM teacher is going to be a substitute to them, and quiet time will be only as quiet as you can get a room with twenty spitballs whizzing constantly. It'll be war. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: However, they have been unable to convince any parents to bring lawsuit against the local schools and the David Lynch Foundation over the TM Quiet Time issue so far, Ah, TM Quiet Time,what perfect rebranding. Who could object to a little quiet time. Catholic Communion Quiet Time Santeria Chicken sacrifice Quiet Time Giving yourself to Jesus' salvation Quiet Time That works really well but I think I missed a special point of how to make it even more palatable for the schools from the TM pros. CC Quiet Time SCS Quiet Time GYTJS Quiet Time Now who could ever have a problem with that! Those names just sound so cute, kinda falls off the tongue. And how many harried parents and teachers don't wish for a little more Quiet Time! One last one for a bonus point: STFU Quiet Time It is so funny to see Paul up there when his own TM practice is by his own description only occasional. He hasn't bought into many of the self improvement benifits of regular practice. His most regular practice is smoking weed, one of the biggest TM no-nos. The first time he tried it when Bob Dylan turned the Beatles on, he exclaimed that he could really think for the first time in his life. His correspondingly weak praise for TM seems a bit damming in comparison. But like most people who took TM, even if he gives it lip-service, he does not practice it regularly. Even if TM really was what is claimed, the truth is that people won't practice it regularly, even if they believe it works a bit. You have to buy into the deeper belief system that includes more religious aspects for people to spend their time doing TM. And it turns out that this is a tiny number of people compared to who was initiated. The lone TMer practicing quietly without the full blown belief system is a myth. But these kids who I have taught in school, at risk kids, with so many sociological problems pulling at them that special education teachers struggle to teach them to read a menu before the succumb to gangs who offer them a family, these kids are going to do what millions of people with higher educations and incomes failed to do: stick with TM. Good intentions aren't enough. And panacea cures don't address the social ills that are dragging down these kids. But it wouldn't even matter if TM did work to raise them up. They wont practice TM, nobody does. And the movement couldn't care less about this fact as they launch program after program destined to fail after scooping up a few bucks. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John M. Knapp, LMSW jmknapp53@ wrote: HI, Curtis, Sal, and everyone, It's not my intention to end the fight here. But it's important to me that my co-presenters not become entangled in some protracted legal battle with DLF or TMO. I believe it may be possible to use this turn of events to publicize my concerns about TM in public schools in a much larger fashion than the webinar itself would have done. I believe the aftermath of this concert will be that the TM Org is held to a level of scrutiny that they have not seen before. But I'm taking the afternoon off to decompress. This has been an emotional day for me. I have received many emails of support for which I am thankful. Talk to you soon! J. John M. Knapp, LMSW Recovery from Toxic Groups, Abusive Churches Cults KnappFamilyCounseling.com If I might make a suggestion: It appears that the TMO has at its disposal
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Wind turbines could more than meet U.S. electricity needs, report says
On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 8:17 AM, Nelson nelsonriddle2...@yahoo.com wrote: I don't think this will cause a noticeable problem as it will be such a long time before the windmills excede the number of trees that have been cut down that we shouldn't worry. I stole this piece from Slashdot where there a lot of very qualified people from around the world posting. Very refreshing from FFL. It was noted and agreed with that this would actually help with global warming because there's too much energy in the Earth right now. Capturing some of the wind would lower the energy level of the Earth and thereby cool it. Now as long as we have enough trucks on highways we'll always have enough wind. You see when I was knee high to a grasshopper, we lived pretty much out in the country. A state highway ran about 1/4 mile away from us. I observed that trucks speeding by on highways made wind so I generalized to the entire weather system. I had to do some real stretching to explain hurricanes.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Recommendation for John Knapp - re: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: However, they have been unable to convince any parents to bring lawsuit against the local schools and the David Lynch Foundation over the TM Quiet Time issue so far, Ah, TM Quiet Time,what perfect rebranding. Who could object to a little quiet time. TM is optional during the TM quiet time. Catholic Communion Quiet Time Santeria Chicken sacrifice Quiet Time Giving yourself to Jesus' salvation Quiet Time That works really well but I think I missed a special point of how to make it even more palatable for the schools from the TM pros. CC Quiet Time SCS Quiet Time GYTJS Quiet Time Now who could ever have a problem with that! Those names just sound so cute, kinda falls off the tongue. And how many harried parents and teachers don't wish for a little more Quiet Time! One last one for a bonus point: STFU Quiet Time It is so funny to see Paul up there when his own TM practice is by his own description only occasional. He hasn't bought into many of the self improvement benifits of regular practice. His most regular practice is smoking weed, one of the biggest TM no-nos. The first time he tried it when Bob Dylan turned the Beatles on, he exclaimed that he could really think for the first time in his life. His correspondingly weak praise for TM seems a bit damming in comparison. But like most people who took TM, even if he gives it lip-service, he does not practice it regularly. Even if TM really was what is claimed, the truth is that people won't practice it regularly, even if they believe it works a bit. You have to buy into the deeper belief system that includes more religious aspects for people to spend their time doing TM. And it turns out that this is a tiny number of people compared to who was initiated. The lone TMer practicing quietly without the full blown belief system is a myth. Not really. In situations where elderly meditators in rest homes have been turned loose with no consitent followup past the first few months, TM is still practiced decades later, unlike the other meditation relaxation techniques, even though all were taught using a format deliberately similar to the TM program's. And there IS a followup in the case of the TM quiet time thing. Its just not formally associated with the TM center. Having the kids come in every day at the same time to do TM is certainly more formal than what the rewst home residents did, and they showed very high compliance yeras later compared to the other meditation;/relaxation techniques. But these kids who I have taught in school, at risk kids, with so many sociological problems pulling at them that special education teachers struggle to teach them to read a menu before the succumb to gangs who offer them a family, these kids are going to do what millions of people with higher educations and incomes failed to do: stick with TM. Again, giving them a structured quiet time may make more difference than you believe. Certainly, without any evidence either way, ytour concerns are premature, and in fact, looking at the equivaent programs in rest homes and prisons suggest they are simply misplaced. Given a chance to be regular in TM, including having a time formally set aside for practice, most people WILL be regular in TM practice. Good intentions aren't enough. And panacea cures don't address the social ills that are dragging down these kids. But it wouldn't even matter if TM did work to raise them up. They wont practice TM, nobody does. And the movement couldn't care less about this fact as they launch program after program destined to fail after scooping up a few bucks. Are you really claiming that MMY (in his previous incarnation), Hagelin, Morris, Roth, not to mention Lynch and McCarthy, are involved in this MERELY to make money? I think you're as far off in your attitude here as you are in your 'tude about TM being the same as Benson's Relaxation Response--maybe further. The long-term goal of the TMO is to have converts. The rationale for having the converts is that the participants think that participation BY the converts will do the converts some good. It isn't JUST about the marketing numbers. The participants aren't merely employees of the TMO with loyalty only to the organization that pays their paycheck. They have motives outside of marketshare for the sake of income for the imeediate benefit of the TMO and its stockholders. Lawson
[FairfieldLife] Things get real good...from within. (was Re: New Conference)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: What is that underlying motivation? Making the few people sticking to the belief system believe that TM is finally becoming mainstream, as Paul naively parroted in the news conference. The triumphalist dream has finally come and the whole world will recognize how brilliant this tiny group of believers are. This is the big one gang, look, there are two BEATLES, celebrity royalty,on the side of TM! (which they don't regularly practice but are all for the idea of kids doing so.) Which belies your claim that the TMO is getting converts merely for the sake of getting a few bucks. The motivations are far more convoluted than simply immediate (or even long-term) profit. L.
[FairfieldLife] Things get real good...from within. (was Re: New Conference)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: What is that underlying motivation? Making the few people sticking to the belief system believe that TM is finally becoming mainstream, as Paul naively parroted in the news conference. The triumphalist dream has finally come and the whole world will recognize how brilliant this tiny group of believers are. I have to agree. This is a move aimed at what really provides the income for the TM movement -- True Believers. With Maharishi gone, the people stuck with trying to run a dying movement have realized that they have to do something -- anything -- to reinspire the Previously Faithful so that they will become Faithful again and start writing those checks. In other words, it's a self-importance thang. Too many people leaving the fold? Give them an aging rock star or two. Initiations at near-zero and contributions drying up? Make them feel all special as if they are the only ones who can save the world. Hey, it worked for Maharishi for decades, right? :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Quiet time as it manifested at MSAE when I taught there
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_re...@... wrote: Not many times, but enough, I was a substitute teacher at MSAE, and I never had a classroom do group meditation in any manner that even remotely looks like quiet time. I don't know if they've finally fixed this at MSAE, but when I was there, kids would be fucking off all during group meditation -- to the point of laughing aloud, never closing their eyes, tossing notes to each other, speaking to each other, and being haughty about it when I made eye contact with them to brow beat them into closing their eyes. Yeah, I was the substitute and kids like to misbehave when a sub is there, but, still, if that's how they act when no one important is looking, then that's a strong measurement of MSAE's inability to inculcate a reverence for TM...or that a reverence naturally bubbles up eventually in the kids. And don't miss that all the rich folks never send their kids to MUM for college. In the public schools, believe me, any TM teacher is going to be a substitute to them, and quiet time will be only as quiet as you can get a room with twenty spitballs whizzing constantly. It'll be war. You may have a point, but in fact, it iss the local school teachers conducting the quiet time as far as I know, and part of the contract to attend is that the kids be quiet during that time. L
[FairfieldLife] Re: Warning! Vaj has played you to the hilt in an intellectual scam
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: snip Something good is happening. I never doubted Vaj was a fraud. He certainly didn't sound like he knew anything AT ALL about TM. Worse yet, he claimed he was a TM teacher but failed to produce a shred of evidence. Think what you like about his points, this challenge is absurd if he wants to keep his name off this forum. Oh, he could produce some evidence that couldn't be linked to his name, like which TTC he attended and the names of those who ran it, or helped MMY run it. (Of course, he could get such information from someone who actually was there even if he wasn't, but at least it would be *something*.) More importantly, there would be no call for such evidence if Vaj's presentation of what TM involves were as accurate as, say, yours. There's a reason why Vaj is the only person on FFL claiming to have been a TM teacher whose credentials have been seriously challenged. (By seriously, I mean Willytex and Nabby aside.) And given the vitriol directed his way I can understand why. It still seems unreasonable to me that he has this intense interest and inside knowledge about the movement without being a teacher. TM teachers aren't the only ones who have an interest in and inside knowledge of the TMO. I think that his understanding about the details of meditaton has shifted too far to connect with people who only have studied TM. This isn't at all convincing as an explanation for why he gets so many details of what TM involves factually incorrect. snip That is why I give the old Kumbaya speech to you and Judy every now and then about communicating with Vaj on a more detailed intellectual level. You know, Curtis, we're pretty much in the same position you are when Nabby refers to your music as hillbilly music. Even if Nabby had extensive knowledge of, say, jazz, there wouldn't be any point in your trying to communicate with him about the blues vs. jazz on a more detailed intellectual level if he's starting from the misapprehension that the blues is hillbilly music. What you'd need to do first would be to find out why he thought that and disabuse him of the notion. Not a perfect parallel, but the point is that you can't engage in a meaningful compare and contrast exercise with a person whose understanding of one of the elements in the comparison is faulty. For that matter, Vaj doesn't seem to be capable of explaining *his* favored end of the comparison clearly. (And if emptybill's analysis is on target, Vaj either doesn't understand it or is misrepresenting it as well.) I would enjoy reading it. I accept that this relationship is too broken to fix. There's an interesting thread from some years ago on alt.m.t that represents Vaj's first major incursion into that forum, between Vaj and me and several other knowledgeable TMers. The TMers maintained politeness and gave Vaj the benefit of the doubt for some time; it was Vaj who initially devolved into the ad hominem and open contempt that has always characterized his exchanges with TMers here. Also clearly evident were his reluctance (or inability) to explain himself or justify his positions, as well as numerous misunderstandings about the nature of TM and the TM-Sidhis. If you'd be interested in reading the thread, I could dig it up for you. Point being, it would be hard to make a case that Vaj has *ever* been interested in having an intellectually meaningful dialogue with committed TMers.
[FairfieldLife] Things get real good...from within. (was Re: New Conference)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: What is that underlying motivation? Making the few people sticking to the belief system believe that TM is finally becoming mainstream, as Paul naively parroted in the news conference. The triumphalist dream has finally come and the whole world will recognize how brilliant this tiny group of believers are. I have to agree. Eh, its certainly a factor but... This is a move aimed at what really provides the income for the TM movement -- True Believers. With Maharishi gone, the people stuck with trying to run a dying movement have realized that they have to do something -- anything -- to reinspire the Previously Faithful so that they will become Faithful again and start writing those checks. In other words, it's a self-importance thang. Sure, but there's a higher purpose than simply getting people to donate the money. It's money for a worthy cause that all participants agree with that is the key here: Too many people leaving the fold? Give them an aging rock star or two. Initiations at near-zero and contributions drying up? Make them feel all special as if they are the only ones who can save the world. Yep, but... Hey, it worked for Maharishi for decades, right? :-) For quite a while, yes. And he ensured it would continue to work by making his most regular donors rajas who were special in the eyes of the rest of the organization. You see cynical manipulation of the masses. I see enlightened awareness of how to get people to do something that is (presumably) good for them and the rest of Humanity. As HHTDL says: they use rituals and pomp and circumstance in Tibetan Buddhism because it works. Lawson
[FairfieldLife] Things get real good...from within. (was Re: New Conference)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: When I asked what other meditation program has the resources to accomplish a plan as far reaching as the TMO, you suggested three free meditations. I doubt any of them has ever proffered a program equal to the goals of the TMO for the schools. Maybe they don't charge for meditation but they usually raise money for workshops, books and tapes, CD's DVD's, retreats and an assortment of meditation aids, cushions, shawls, beads, and trinkets. Every organization figures out a way to make money or it doesn't survive or have the ability to promote itself. Besides the objection you have to TM raising money, which other organizations do as well, the organizations that teach the meditation techniques you suggest probably have the other taints you object to as well: cult and religious roots. So there you have it. Horse a piece. However, the TMO can and will have a successful TM program for thousands of kids in American schools while the other meditation techniques you mentioned will not. Don't you have to ask yourself why? Well said !
[FairfieldLife] Re: Recommendation for John Knapp - re: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig lengli...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: [snip] If I might make a suggestion: It appears that the TMO has at its disposal a legal team that you, on your own, can't match. Why not get the ACLU and Americans United for Separation of Church and State involved - and we'll see how successfully the TMO's 'invincible' legal team stands up. This issue really DOES deserve a conclusive decision - one way or another. The ACLU likely has no stake in the matter, but Americans United may. Not true, Lawson. See for example: Americans United For Separation Of Church And State And ACLU File Brief Objecting To Government Promotion of Prayer In Texas' Moment Of Silence Law (6/9/2008) http://www.aclu.org/religion/schools/35582prs20080609.html However, they have been unable to convince any parents to bring lawsuit against the local schools and the David Lynch Foundation over the TM Quiet Time issue so far, I believe that the Americans United for Separation of Church and State can act on their own to bring suit. and it may be that neither John nor any of his fellow anti-quiet-time friends have standing in teh courts either. You don't need standing in the courts to initiate legal action, Lawson. There's been several interviews with the Americans United folk over this, BTW. I think you can find reference to it on their website. -- TM has always been rooted in the religion of Hinduism, says Barry Lynn, executive director of Americans United for Separation of Church and State, which keeps a close legal eye on the TM movement. There are no imminent cases right now, but people, including conservative Christian parents will say if Christianity can't be taught in the public schools then Hinduism can't be either. ~NEWSWEEK - May 29, 2008: http://www.newsweek.com/id/139206 Here's an example where the Americans United for Separation of Church and State was effective in making its case against TM being incorporated into public schools: -- Calif. School Cancels Plans For Transcendental Meditation -- A California public school has dumped plans for a meditation class for students amid concerns from parents that it would be promoting religion. Terra Linda High School in San Rafael was preparing to offer students instruction on Transcendental Meditation (TM). TM is an offshoot of Hinduism, though some of its supporters eschew its religious underpinning and argue the practice is actually science-related. The critically acclaimed filmmaker David Lynch, director of offbeat films such as Wild at Heart, and Blue Velvet, had offered the school a $175,000 grant to start the TM program. A school board meeting in October, however, drew the ire of parents. According to the Associated Press, the meeting turned chaotic, with one parent rushing the stage to denounce TM as a cult. Following the controversy, Lynch's foundation withdrew the grant offer. In 1979, a federal appeals court ruled that a New Jersey public school could not legally sponsor TM. That case was brought in part by Americans United. One judge noted that the names of Hindu deities are chanted in TM ceremonies. TM practitioners, the court ruled, were attempting to take a cow and put a sign on it that says `horse.' Americans United for Separation of Church and State: http://www.au.org/site/News2?abbr=cs_id=8766page=NewsArticle L. Ok, but recall that the objection was made locally by a former Fairfield resident, and NOT by ACLU or Americans United. My reading has been that neither has been able to bring a lawsuit on their own and has needed to have a local parent step in. E.G. Malnak vs Yogi was Malnak vs Yogi, not AUFSOCAS vs Yogi. The fact that 1) the puja is done outside school 2) TM is optional even during the quiet time 3) that no TM teacher is directly involved int eh school program 4) that no theory is taught during the school program 5) that the program is NOT funded by the school all seem to make it different than the Malnak vs Yogi case. To me, that appears to be similar to the fundamentalist nutbag Christianists who are attempting to sneak their anti-evolution creationist religion into the public school system in the guise of intelligent design. Both approaches are hokey, transparent and blatantly dishonest. Not to mention that they haven't been able to get a Malnak to bring suit yet, presumeably because the participation requires parental approval in the first place, unlike in the New Jersey situation
[FairfieldLife] Things get real good...from within. (was Re: New Conference)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: On Apr 4, 2009, at 5:37 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: As for the program itself, I wish it well. I really do think that kids would benefit from learning a simple form of meditation while still kids. That the form of meditation being proposed is TM I think is problematic because I honestly believe that the way it's taught and explained in followup talks is religously-based and thus inappropriate for American schools given the Constitution and the clear wishes of America's founding fathers. But the courts will decide that. While one did get a good feeling that kids meditating was a good thing, I was more interested in that they are targeting 'kids at risk'. What seems to be happening is, since it's getting harder for the TM Meditation industry to target American kids without drawing negative attention, they're now targeting the poor in third world countries where such opposition is less likely. In America they seem to be targeting the poor also where resistance would likely be less, as resources to investigate or oppose are also much more feeble. In other words, I have wonder if the TM meditation industry is targeting the poor because they're an easy target. In Tucson, they're targetting charter school kids, who often are from wealthy families. Its more a matter of taretting people who don't object, then anything else, I think. What it really boils down to is: what is the underlying motivation? Is it to help kids, or is it targeted market segments to get the TM Meditation industry back making money and recruiting fresh blood--at 600 bucks a pop? Clearly if it was just for the kids, they could easily pay a salary of 100,000 to a dozen or so teachers who could teach for free for a living. But that is not what they're doing. Therefore, there's a different underlying motivation. What is that underlying motivation? But, the funding pays for the local TM teachers AND their management of the program. This frees the TM teachers up to do outreach to the current meditating population rather than try to seek more converts, which is a Very Good Thing from the perspective of the TM teachers since they are no longer required to preach to non-believers with no motivation to pay the huge TM fee upfront. E.G. rather than wasting their time trying to sell TM to adults directly, the local center brings in Sitar players to give mini concerts and/or Indian elders to talk up TM on the reservation and/or MIU faculty to talk up research, all of which is directed at believers, so there's no despondancy from trying to sell an expensive intro course to non-believers. It also gives the believers a better venue for promoting TM themselves to their non-believer friends. Its a LOT more effective to take someone to a pot luck dinner with a sitarist performing, where everyone chats about the performance, than drag them to an intro lecture where they are pitched a $2500 program. None of this may be a direct rationale on the part of the TM teachers or the TMO, but it is how it works out in practice. It's quite a practical system, I think and seems to have evolved spontaneously in the past few years. Much more sustainable than the old TMO, IMHO. Lawson
[FairfieldLife] Things get real good...from within. (was Re: New Conference)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: [...] Stop trying to portray the TMO as somehow noble in this endeavor. David Lynch might be, Paul McCartney and Ringo and the others might be. But the TMO is in it for the same reason they have *always* been into it -- for the money and to grow the cult. IMO, of course. Opinions based on assertions contrary to fact aren't worth a whole helluva lot. IMO, of course. Really, Barry is just putting a negative spin on something you've put a positive spin on. Aside from monetary issues, you BOTH agree that the goal is to grow the organization (cult or otherwise). The money is merely a secondary goal in service of the first. L.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Questions and Answers
On Apr 3, 2009, at 11:13 AM, raunchydog wrote: What to do? Swami Rama is dead and Vaj has gone into silence contemplating a body part. Since I can't get them to answer my questions, I'll answer myself. Anyone can chime in. Inquiring minds want to know. I was out of posts. A couple of questions for you RD, while we're at it: Do you understand the difference between nondual contemplation and introspective samadhi-style meditation? Which represents the highest first? Do you understand the different styles of samadhi in nondual contemplation and introverted samadhi and the different results of each? How are these practiced in the Vedanta tradition? What are the advantages of each? What are the disadvantages of each? On Apr 3, 2009, at 11:13 AM, raunchydog wrote: What to do? Swami Rama is dead and Vaj has gone into silence contemplating a body part. Since I can't get them to answer my questions, I'll answer myself. Anyone can chime in. Inquiring minds want to know. Q. If you had a chance to teach millions of people meditation or a handful of monks contemplation, would you prefer teaching many or a few? Why do the millions get the choice of meditation, but monks get the choice of [Vedantic?] contemplation? Not a fair question since you're offering two different things to different people. IF it is an effective meditation method that can reduce negative or destructive emotions and increase compassion, THEN it would be worthwhile to teach it to others. The ideal principle is to teach methods based on the person, not on the technique. Q. If you prefer teaching only a few monks contemplation, what is the relative benefit to creating a peaceful world compared to teaching millions meditation? Again, you're offering two different things to different people. You'd be better off finding a good form of meditation that reduces negative emotions and increases empathy and then as soon as people are able or interested wean then towards non-dual contemplation (the principle of the highest first). A. Everyone wants a peaceful world but it seems to be in our DNA to fight to establish dominance for me and mine. Although torn between altruism and self-interest, TM makes it possible to resolve our conflicts by finding common ground in the consciousness we share as humans. Since nothing else has ever worked, if TM can create a peaceful world, and I believe that it can, why not give peace a chance? A few monks contemplating can help create world peace but millions practicing TM will carry the day. If there's a better, easier way to create world peace, I'd like to hear about it. Unfortunately TM results in a form of meditation that tends to activate the egocentric circuitry of the brain. What we need is meditation forms that are not religious (like TM) and activate the allocentric brain circuitry like Mindfulness Meditation which is free or very inexpensive. When allocentric meditators are shown very averse imagery, the compassion amplifying parts of the prefrontal cortex light up. In others, this circuitry simply shuts down and goes dark. We don't need people who shut down when people are suffering and we don't need people who just sit around and talk about themselves and their experiences 30 some years after the fact. Therefore, if we are interested in world peace, not world piece, we need people to be doing meditation methods that are free or cheap, eliminate negative, destructive emotions and increase empathy (i.e. enhance our mirror- neuron circuitry) Q. Do only monks practice contemplation because controlling the mind is a difficult task that most people would bail on? What makes you think monks only practice contemplation? What makes you think that householders don't practice nondual contemplation? Vedanta and Buddhist nondual contemplation are quite popular, although they work best for people who already can calm their minds (through whatever method). Q. Do you think contemplation is superior to meditation? Why? It ultimately depends on the capacity of the person. But yes, it is according to Vedanta and Buddhism (and probably some other traditions as well!). Having said that, if you have a deep enough technique, you can be enlightened using any number of techniques, even introspective samadhi--but such a technique has to really lead to bonafide samadhi, not light trance or self-hypnotic states! Q. If one practices meditation and experiences samadhi, after some time of witnessing the duality of self and non-self, there is a natural and spontaneous desire to unify self and non-self. Love naturally draws the meditator toward unity, effortlessly. Seems to me Thou are That would be the result in either meditation (easy for many) or contemplation (difficult for many). What say you? Thou Art That is one of the techniques used in nondual contemplation, Vedanta style. It is not
[FairfieldLife] Re: Recommendation for John Knapp - re: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: [...] Ok, but recall that the objection was made locally by a former Fairfield resident, and NOT by ACLU or Americans United. My reading has been that neither has been able to bring a lawsuit on their own and has needed to have a local parent step in. E.G. Malnak vs Yogi was Malnak vs Yogi, not AUFSOCAS vs Yogi. The fact that 1) the puja is done outside school 2) TM is optional even during the quiet time 3) that no TM teacher is directly involved int eh school program 4) that no theory is taught during the school program 5) that the program is NOT funded by the school all seem to make it different than the Malnak vs Yogi case. To me, that appears to be similar to the fundamentalist nutbag Christianists who are attempting to sneak their anti-evolution creationist religion into the public school system in the guise of intelligent design. Well, that assumes that intelligent design and TM theory (as presented in terms of a relaxation program) are on a similar level. I don't think that that is the case. There's no way to justify intellligent design as being scientific but its certainly plausible to justify quiet time as being worthy. The question is: is TM a more worthy quiet time than something else, and the answer is: what does it matter? FOr the participants, TM quiet time costs no more than any other quiet time. The entire thing is funded by the DLF and any school participation is only to the level that they would have for sponsoring any other quiet time in that same school. Both approaches are hokey, transparent and blatantly dishonest. To you. THe TM organization touts TM as being a better quiet time than others, while admitting that other quiet times may be of value as well. The ID people may tout ID as an alternative theory but don't give any case of the argument against partaking in that theory int he first place. The only way you can make the situations analogous is to show where TM is WORSE for kids than simply sitting and reading a book. Not to mention that they haven't been able to get a Malnak to bring suit yet, presumeably because the participation requires parental approval in the first place, unlike in the New Jersey situation and in the case of the california school, the DLF stepped aside rather than let someone take them to court because they objected. They've learned, in other words. The bottom line however is that, as the executive director, Barry Lynn of the Americans United for Separation of Church and State said: TM has always been rooted in the religion of Hinduism... There are no imminent cases right now, but people, including conservative Christian parents will say if Christianity can't be taught in the public schools then Hinduism can't be either. There are no imediate cases because no Malnak has stepped forward to be a spokesperson for Americans United for Separation of Church and State. ~NEWSWEEK - May 29, 2008: http://www.newsweek.com/id/139206 This issue deserves to be fully addressed legally and brought to a conclusive decision. Sure, but will they be able to in the context of how it is being presented? With no legal standing, no lawsuit can be brought. L.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Quiet time as it manifested at MSAE when I taught there
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Duveyoung no_re...@... wrote: Not many times, but enough, I was a substitute teacher at MSAE, and I never had a classroom do group meditation in any manner that even remotely looks like quiet time. I don't know if they've finally fixed this at MSAE, but when I was there, kids would be fucking off all during group meditation -- to the point of laughing aloud, never closing their eyes, tossing notes to each other, speaking to each other, and being haughty about it when I made eye contact with them to brow beat them into closing their eyes. It sounds like teaching is not your dharma. I substitute taught in public schools (midldle and high school) and at MSAE. I almost never had any kid disrupt the class in any significant way. The old cliche about kids getting carzy with substitute teachers just did not appply in my case. I was kindof surprised by that in the beginning, but then it kept happening in different schools in different parts of the country. The MSAE kids were just as well behaved as the public school kids with the wide range of diverse personlalities that I love so much about teaching. OffWorld
Re: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: Fw: Another use for WD 40
On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 9:59 AM, wle...@aol.com wrote: An engineer's dictum: if it's not supposed to move, use duct tape. If it's supposed to move, use WD40.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Recommendation for John Knapp - re: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: snip However, they have been unable to convince any parents to bring lawsuit against the local schools and the David Lynch Foundation over the TM Quiet Time issue so far, I believe that the Americans United for Separation of Church and State can act on their own to bring suit. Probably not. No standing. and it may be that neither John nor any of his fellow anti-quiet-time friends have standing in teh courts either. You don't need standing in the courts to initiate legal action, Lawson. Not to initiate it, but it'll be thrown out of court if you don't have standing, so you might as well not bother. Do you even know what standing is? Here's a primer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_standing snip Here's an example where the Americans United for Separation of Church and State was effective in making its case against TM being incorporated into public schools: -- Calif. School Cancels Plans For Transcendental Meditation - Not an example, sorry. Americans United had nothing to do with the Terra Linda situation. All they're doing in what you quoted is reporting on the brouhaha.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Quiet time as it manifested at MSAE when I taught there
off_world_beings wrote: It sounds like teaching is not your dharma. Off, I have degrees in Education from Wayne State University, and University of California. I went to over ten jyotishis that proclaimed my dharma was teaching and preaching. I'm inclined to feel validated by the above. Not that it's a gimme. Glad that you had kids who didn't act out. Lucky you, sez me. I taught school in inner city Detroit, in rich suburbs, at MSAE, and I taught individual children in the TM center. I had knives pulled on me, had parents as disconnected as zombies, had smarmy high-hatting parents, had everything across the spectrum, and I'm here to tell you that kids in general will not be able to pull off quiet time for any longer than the MSAE kids. The MSAE kids have all the support from parents and community and all the dogma being pumped into them, and yet, look at my experiences with them. What can we expect from non-brainwashed kids? How many weeks of quiet time will it take for the average kid to chuck it for lack of obvious results? Not much time at all IMO. In fact, any kid who participates will run the risk of being called mental by the typical shithead miscreant kids that all schools must endure. Of the 2,000 people I taught, I often saw folks who paid good money for TM instruction quit within a week and never even come back for their 10 day checking even. All the persons I taught for free (not many but some who were in deep poverty) gave up TM -- if anything -- even sooner. So much for gratitude, eh? Charlie Lutes always made fun of those who thought that they would run away and just meditate in a cave somewhere. Why? Charlie said: There has to be something that keeps you in the cave. Kids are not going to easily find that something that is necessary to keep them inside their cave minds. The ones that do resonate with the quiet time will be precious, but not plentiful. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: Not many times, but enough, I was a substitute teacher at MSAE, and I never had a classroom do group meditation in any manner that even remotely looks like quiet time. I don't know if they've finally fixed this at MSAE, but when I was there, kids would be fucking off all during group meditation -- to the point of laughing aloud, never closing their eyes, tossing notes to each other, speaking to each other, and being haughty about it when I made eye contact with them to brow beat them into closing their eyes. It sounds like teaching is not your dharma. I substitute taught in public schools (midldle and high school) and at MSAE. I almost never had any kid disrupt the class in any significant way. The old cliche about kids getting carzy with substitute teachers just did not appply in my case. I was kindof surprised by that in the beginning, but then it kept happening in different schools in different parts of the country. The MSAE kids were just as well behaved as the public school kids with the wide range of diverse personlalities that I love so much about teaching. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: Recommendation for John Knapp - re: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: However, they have been unable to convince any parents to bring lawsuit against the local schools and the David Lynch Foundation over the TM Quiet Time issue so far, Ah, TM Quiet Time,what perfect rebranding. Who could object to a little quiet time. Uh, Curtis, TM didn't invent the term or the concept. It actually originated with evangelical Christianity. However, it's now become a generic term for a period in school equivalent to nap time for preschoolers. (In some schools, in fact, Quiet Time involves mindfulness meditation.) You are aware that Lynch's Quiet Time program involves a choice between TM and some other Quiet Time activity (not funded by Lynch), are you not? snip Good intentions aren't enough. And panacea cures don't address the social ills that are dragging down these kids. No, but maybe it'll help them deal with those ills without freaking out. (And if they can then make it through school and through college and get decent jobs, that *could* begin to make a dent in the social ills they had to grow up with.) But it wouldn't even matter if TM did work to raise them up. They wont practice TM, nobody does. Nobody does? Want to rethink that? They may not continue TM once they aren't in an environment that mandates Quiet Time; but again, just managing to get through school without falling apart one way or another would be a major benefit for many of them.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Things get real good...from within. (was Re: New Conference)
On Apr 4, 2009, at 6:59 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: No other organization is more capable, willing or funded enough to tackle a project of the magnitude proposed by the TMO. LOL. The TMO is **not** funding this. They are getting PAID $600 a head for every student they teach. They are doing what they've always done, trying to get someone else to pay for everything while sitting on bank accounts and real estate worth millions and millions of dollars. By comparison at least three groups I know of -- Mindfulness Meditation, Sahaja Meditation and Vipassana Meditation -- teach FOR FREE and always have. They don't look at what they do as a way of making money; the TMO does. No one else has ever come forward with the resources or a plan to teach as many kids ANY meditation technique. The groups mentioned above are not trying to recruit people into their cult and finding them- selves unable to do so without marketing to kids. Not to mention that the TMO as capable of anything except starting projects and then quickly running them into the ground is pretty funny. Seems like raunchy has been in a time warp for the last 30 years or so. Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] Things get real good...from within. (was Re: New Conference)
On Apr 4, 2009, at 7:33 AM, raunchydog wrote: The groups mentioned above are not trying to recruit people into their cult and finding them- selves unable to do so without marketing to kids. If the groups you mentioned teach for free, why are they not capable of implementing a program to teach as many kids in the schools as the TMO is willing and able to do? Um, because they're uninterested in trying to force kids to do something they don't want to? just a thought... Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Public Webcast of the Press Conference for the David Lynch Foundation Benefi
On Apr 4, 2009, at 9:45 AM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote: On Apr 4, 2009, at 1:40 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: Um...Lawson...the actual ticket prices are contained in this viral email sent to meditators. One simple search on Ebay showed that the highest *asking price* (much less what they actually got for them) was $750, most much less. Now could we have a comment from you about your charge of insane? Yeah, he'll ignore it rather than admit he was wrong.= You know, I've always prided myself on admitting I was wrong when someone points out to me the facts that contradict my beliefs on something. Do you have a reason to think otherwise, or are you merely assuming that since I disagree with you about so many obvious things that I'm totally unreasonable and dishonest in how I deal with you? Nope, just spouting off. :) I see that you did admit it, so thanks. Mea culpa and all that... Sal
[FairfieldLife] Things get real good...from within. (was Re: New Conference)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig lengli...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: [...] Stop trying to portray the TMO as somehow noble in this endeavor. David Lynch might be, Paul McCartney and Ringo and the others might be. But the TMO is in it for the same reason they have *always* been into it -- for the money and to grow the cult. IMO, of course. Opinions based on assertions contrary to fact aren't worth a whole helluva lot. IMO, of course. Really, Barry is just putting a negative spin on something you've put a positive spin on. (Says Lawson, completely ignoring everything else I said in that post.) Aside from monetary issues, you BOTH agree that the goal is to grow the organization (cult or otherwise). The money is merely a secondary goal in service of the first. Growing the organization is a secondary goal in service of the primary goal, which is getting as many people as possible to meditate in the belief that widespread TM practice will bring about world peace and reduce suffering etc.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Recommendation for John Knapp - re: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig lengli...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: E.G. Malnak vs Yogi was Malnak vs Yogi, not AUFSOCAS vs Yogi. The fact that 1) the puja is done outside school 2) TM is optional even during the quiet time 3) that no TM teacher is directly involved int eh school program 4) that no theory is taught during the school program 5) that the program is NOT funded by the school all seem to make it different than the Malnak vs Yogi case. To me, that appears to be similar to the fundamentalist nutbag Christianists who are attempting to sneak their anti-evolution creationist religion into the public school system in the guise of intelligent design. Well, that assumes that intelligent design and TM theory (as presented in terms of a relaxation program) are on a similar level. It doesn't matter, Lawson. What they have in common is that they are both dishonest attempts to sneak religious-based ideology or practice into the public school system. I don't think that that is the case. There's no way to justify intellligent design as being scientific but its certainly plausible to justify quiet time as being worthy. The question is: is TM a more worthy quiet time than something else, and the answer is: what does it matter? This so-called quiet time is just a disguise, Lawson, for the TMO to incorporate TM into the public school system. You're not fooling anyone. FOr the participants, TM quiet time costs no more than any other quiet time. The entire thing is funded by the DLF and any school participation is only to the level that they would have for sponsoring any other quiet time in that same school. Both approaches are hokey, transparent and blatantly dishonest. To you. THe TM organization touts TM as being a better quiet time than others, while admitting that other quiet times may be of value as well. The ID people may tout ID as an alternative theory but don't give any case of the argument against partaking in that theory int he first place. The only way you can make the situations analogous is to show where TM is WORSE for kids than simply sitting and reading a book. Nope. What they have in common is that they are both dishonest attempts to sneak religious-based ideology or practice into the public school system. Not to mention that they haven't been able to get a Malnak to bring suit yet, presumeably because the participation requires parental approval in the first place, unlike in the New Jersey situation and in the case of the california school, the DLF stepped aside rather than let someone take them to court because they objected.They've learned, in other words. The bottom line however is that, as the executive director, Barry Lynn of the Americans United for Separation of Church and State said: TM has always been rooted in the religion of Hinduism... There are no imminent cases right now, but people, including conservative Christian parents will say if Christianity can't be taught in the public schools then Hinduism can't be either. There are no imediate cases because no Malnak has stepped forward to be a spokesperson for Americans United for Separation of Church and State. While I don't see why the Americans United can't initiate the lawsuit on their own, I don't doubt that there WILL be a 'Malnak' if this issue reaches a sufficient level of public awareness and the TMO doesn't simply sneak by and get away with their typical hokey snow job. This issue deserves to be fully addressed legally and brought to a conclusive decision. Sure, but will they be able to in the context of how it is being presented? With no legal standing, no lawsuit can be brought. The you-can't-miss-it-elephant-in-the-room legal standing is that MMY's Transcendental Meditation itself is without question deeply and elaborately religious-based - and because of that it should not be incorporated into the US public education system. ==As a teacher trained by MMY, I personally consider TM to be a gift from God to humanity. The primary issue here is *NOT* the value of TM. It's the underlying fundamental principle of maintaining the separation of church and state in a democracy that's paid for by and was set up to represent and include *ALL* Americans from *EVERY* faith and *NO* faith. Many religions offer off-campus instruction for students and coordinate class times with the public school. But those religious facilities and their curriculum have no connection to the public school system itself or its purpose. Why doesn't the TMO pursue that avenue?==
[FairfieldLife] Re: Recommendation for John Knapp - re: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: snip Sure, but will they be able to in the context of how it is being presented? With no legal standing, no lawsuit can be brought. The you-can't-miss-it-elephant-in-the-room legal standing is that MMY's Transcendental Meditation itself is without question deeply and elaborately religious-based - and because of that it should not be incorporated into the US public education system. Even if this characterization of TM were true, it wouldn't constitute legal standing. Please, inform yourself.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Things get real good...from within. (was Re: New Conference)
On Apr 4, 2009, at 10:36 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: What is that underlying motivation? Making the few people sticking to the belief system believe that TM is finally becoming mainstream, as Paul naively parroted in the news conference. The triumphalist dream has finally come and the whole world will recognize how brilliant this tiny group of believers are. This is the big one gang, look, there are two BEATLES, celebrity royalty,on the side of TM! (which they don't regularly practice but are all for the idea of kids doing so.) Anybody ever thought of asking if their kids do? Or ever did? Sal
[FairfieldLife] Reps Paul, Frank introduce bill to legalize industrial hemp
Reps Paul, Frank introduce bill to legalize industrial hemp http://tinyurl.com/c8jqsk I have been very disappointed at Obama's not being supportive about legalizing pot -- if only to save our country from billions spent to maintain the policing and incarceration efforts. My opinion is that Obama doesn't want to be ridiculed by the vicious rightwing with racial epithets of see, you elect a N-word, and what do you get? So, I understand, Mr. Obama, yes, I do, but, HA!, now you've got a real problem. If you support the growing of hemp, then the cops won't be able to spot the pot growing as easily, and hemp will be grown in every yard as a decorative plant cuz it's low maintence, and what's a cop to do with hundreds of houses with pot-esque plants growing? No way can law enforcement AFFORD the processing necessary to sort out the hemp growers from the pot growers. So, if Obama supports this bill for hemp, I'll take that as a read on his true stance about pot. Yay! If he drags his heels on this bill, then he's sold out to booze, alcohol and forestry industries.and increasingly, these days, the prison industry which thrives on the regular supply of African Americans targeted by the cops. Edg
[FairfieldLife] Re: Wind turbines could more than meet U.S. electricity needs, report says
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_re...@... wrote: Shemp, Shemp, Shemp, Please tell us the below was you being satirical. Edg My response to that, Edg, is similar to the response given to people who ask a salesman, say, how much the Rolls Royce in the showroom costs: if you have to ask, you can't afford it. Edg, if you have to ask whether what I wrote was satirical you really aren't in a position to understand satire. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: The problem with wind turbines is if you put up too many of them they will cut down all winds blowing across the world and this will cause our planet to stop spinning on its axis and we will all be throw into deep space along with planes, trains, automobiles, and anything else that isn't tethered to Mother Earth. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal L.Shaddai@ wrote: http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-energy3-2009apr03,0,7532220.story?track=rss http://tinyurl.com/dzasmm* * Temperature difference caused by taking the power out of the wind would be around 1 degree difference, about the same as the localized effect of a city. * *[image: Los Angeles Times] http://www.latimes.com/ The Interior Department report, which looks at the potential of wind turbines off the U.S. coast, is part of the government's process to chart a course for offshore energy development. By Jim Tankersley April 3, 2009 Reporting from Arlington, Va. -- Wind turbines off U.S. coastlines could potentially supply more than enough electricity to meet the nation's current demand, the Interior Department reported Thursday. Simply harnessing the wind in relatively shallow waters -- the most accessible and technically feasible sites for offshore turbines -- could produce at least 20% of the power demand for most coastal states, Interior Secretary Ken Salazar said, unveiling a report by the Minerals Management Service that details the potential for oil, gas and renewable development on the outer continental shelf. The biggest wind potential lies off the nation's Atlantic coast, which the Interior report estimates could produce 1,000 gigawatts of electricity -- enough to meet a quarter of the national demand. The report also notes large potential in the Pacific, including off the California coast, but said the area presented technical challenges. The Interior Department released an executive summaryhttp://www.doi.gov/ocs/ExecutiveSummary-final.pdfof the report on Thursday. It noted that strong wind resources also exist offshore California, Oregon, Washington and Hawaii, but it appears that the majority of this resource lies in deep waters where technology constraints are potentially significant -- a sentiment Salazar echoed when asked about Pacific wind potential. The report also suggests vast oil and gas reserves off the Pacific coast: the equivalent of 10 billion to 18 billion barrels of oil. Salazar told attendees at the 25x'25 Summit in Virginia, a gathering of agriculture and energy representatives exploring ways to cut carbon dioxide emissions, that we are only beginning to tap the potential of offshore renewable energy. The report is a step in the Obama administration's mission to chart a course for offshore energy development, an issue that gained urgency last year amid high oil prices and chants of Drill, baby, drill at the Republican National Convention. Critics have accused President Obama and Salazar of dragging their feet on new oil and gas drilling, and Thursday's report does little to rebut those complaints. It includes no new estimates of potential oil and gas reserves offshore and notes that some of the existing estimates are based on 25-year-old seismic studies. Meeting with reporters after his speech, Salazar said he would wait to decide whether to commission new seismic studies until after he convened a four-stop series of offshore energy hearings, which begin next week in Atlantic City, N.J. In San Francisco, a hearing will be held April 16 at 9 a.m. at the Mission Bay Conference Center at UC San Francisco. Drilling advocates say updated estimates could show even more offshore oil potential. In contrast, Salazar said he expected a push to expedite offshore wind development to be one of the most significant aspects at the hearings. He pledged to finalize guidelines for such development, which the Bush administration failed to complete before leaving office, within about two months. jtankersley@
[FairfieldLife] Re: Wind turbines could more than meet U.S. electricity needs, report says
Clever response! Thanks for the glib put-down. I'm braced thereby. I have been positioning myself here as someone who's in the know about quite a few science frontiers, and, you got me good with my knee jerkingly thinking you were possibly serious. I'll consider it a belated April Fools joke. If Turq is wrong, and you do believe the crap below, I suggest you not express your truth to anyone in the real world lest you be recognized as a world-class chicken-little. It is possible to slow the Earth's spin, but only with massive massive power -- such as that tsunami in Indonesia which slightly slowed the Earth's spin. The wind farms will have to have millions to tens of millions of turbines out there to even begin to affect the Earth's spin. And, the Earth would have to stop quickly (within a few seconds) in order for anything to be spun off into space. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcg...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: Shemp, Shemp, Shemp, Please tell us the below was you being satirical. Edg My response to that, Edg, is similar to the response given to people who ask a salesman, say, how much the Rolls Royce in the showroom costs: if you have to ask, you can't afford it. Edg, if you have to ask whether what I wrote was satirical you really aren't in a position to understand satire. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: The problem with wind turbines is if you put up too many of them they will cut down all winds blowing across the world and this will cause our planet to stop spinning on its axis and we will all be throw into deep space along with planes, trains, automobiles, and anything else that isn't tethered to Mother Earth. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal L.Shaddai@ wrote: http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-energy3-2009apr03,0,7532220.story?track=rss http://tinyurl.com/dzasmm* * Temperature difference caused by taking the power out of the wind would be around 1 degree difference, about the same as the localized effect of a city. * *[image: Los Angeles Times] http://www.latimes.com/ The Interior Department report, which looks at the potential of wind turbines off the U.S. coast, is part of the government's process to chart a course for offshore energy development. By Jim Tankersley April 3, 2009 Reporting from Arlington, Va. -- Wind turbines off U.S. coastlines could potentially supply more than enough electricity to meet the nation's current demand, the Interior Department reported Thursday. Simply harnessing the wind in relatively shallow waters -- the most accessible and technically feasible sites for offshore turbines -- could produce at least 20% of the power demand for most coastal states, Interior Secretary Ken Salazar said, unveiling a report by the Minerals Management Service that details the potential for oil, gas and renewable development on the outer continental shelf. The biggest wind potential lies off the nation's Atlantic coast, which the Interior report estimates could produce 1,000 gigawatts of electricity -- enough to meet a quarter of the national demand. The report also notes large potential in the Pacific, including off the California coast, but said the area presented technical challenges. The Interior Department released an executive summaryhttp://www.doi.gov/ocs/ExecutiveSummary-final.pdfof the report on Thursday. It noted that strong wind resources also exist offshore California, Oregon, Washington and Hawaii, but it appears that the majority of this resource lies in deep waters where technology constraints are potentially significant -- a sentiment Salazar echoed when asked about Pacific wind potential. The report also suggests vast oil and gas reserves off the Pacific coast: the equivalent of 10 billion to 18 billion barrels of oil. Salazar told attendees at the 25x'25 Summit in Virginia, a gathering of agriculture and energy representatives exploring ways to cut carbon dioxide emissions, that we are only beginning to tap the potential of offshore renewable energy. The report is a step in the Obama administration's mission to chart a course for offshore energy development, an issue that gained urgency last year amid high oil prices and chants of Drill, baby, drill at the Republican National Convention. Critics have accused President Obama and Salazar of dragging their feet on new oil and gas drilling, and Thursday's report does little to rebut those complaints. It includes no new estimates of
[FairfieldLife] Re: I am a world famous physicist
SO AM I, who am i?
[FairfieldLife] Things get real good...from within. (was Re: New Conference)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: [...] Stop trying to portray the TMO as somehow noble in this endeavor. David Lynch might be, Paul McCartney and Ringo and the others might be. But the TMO is in it for the same reason they have *always* been into it -- for the money and to grow the cult. IMO, of course. Opinions based on assertions contrary to fact aren't worth a whole helluva lot. IMO, of course. Really, Barry is just putting a negative spin on something you've put a positive spin on. (Says Lawson, completely ignoring everything else I said in that post.) Aside from monetary issues, you BOTH agree that the goal is to grow the organization (cult or otherwise). The money is merely a secondary goal in service of the first. Growing the organization is a secondary goal in service of the primary goal, which is getting as many people as possible to meditate in the belief that widespread TM practice will bring about world peace and reduce suffering etc. OK so growing the organization is secondary to growing the participation of folks in the organization. Seems a quibble there. I understand why you're quibbling (a bit) but saying you want to grow membership in an organization defined by participation in the practice of TM is not much different than saying you want to grow participation in the practice of TM... ;-) L
Re: [FairfieldLife] Things get real good...from within. (was Re: New Conference)
Vaj wrote: On Apr 4, 2009, at 5:37 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: As for the program itself, I wish it well. I really do think that kids would benefit from learning a simple form of meditation while still kids. That the form of meditation being proposed is TM I think is problematic because I honestly believe that the way it's taught and explained in followup talks is religously-based and thus inappropriate for American schools given the Constitution and the clear wishes of America's founding fathers. But the courts will decide that. While one did get a good feeling that kids meditating was a good thing, I was more interested in that they are targeting 'kids at risk'. What seems to be happening is, since it's getting harder for the TM Meditation industry to target American kids without drawing negative attention, they're now targeting the poor in third world countries where such opposition is less likely. In America they seem to be targeting the poor also where resistance would likely be less, as resources to investigate or oppose are also much more feeble. In other words, I have wonder if the TM meditation industry is targeting the poor because they're an easy target. What it really boils down to is: what is the underlying motivation? Is it to help kids, or is it targeted market segments to get the TM Meditation industry back making money and recruiting fresh blood--at 600 bucks a pop? Clearly if it was just for the kids, they could easily pay a salary of 100,000 to a dozen or so teachers who could teach for free for a living. But that is not what they're doing. Therefore, there's a different underlying motivation. What is that underlying motivation? Sort of like marketing cigarettes to kids? ;-) My guru taught a bunch of at risk kids meditation as one of his disciples was a juvenile probation officer. So as project he taught them. I never asked if he taught them mantra meditation which he might have because Indians are usually unaware of the church vs state thing in the US. And besides they don't see yoga as a religion but a science. Just because someone labeled the metaphors Hindu Gods doesn't mean it is a religion. But we're dealing with extremely ignorant westerners here. And as I implied my guru wouldn't have had to teach them mantra meditation either as we are allowed to teach a bunch of secular techniques many which one can locate in books. They are not as powerful as mantra meditation but are still calming. One of the things that happened during the course with kids is that he held a little birthday party at a session for girl who broke down in tears when he brought in a birthday cake. Her shitty family NEVER celebrated her birthday. For some reason I can't imagine TM teachers doing that. They would probably just say keep meditating and things will get better. ;-)
[FairfieldLife] I'AM TRYING TO SAVE YOU! SO LISTEN UP!
I'am trying to save your soul! You have been decieved by the devil and are blind to the truth! I'am gods prophet in Rev. 11 and Zechariah 4. I'am the reincarnation of the prophet Elijah, also James Zebedee! I'am here to forewarn you of your impending doom! If you don't listen to me you will be cursed by God as in Malachi 4:6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse. And then the chances of your burning in hell will ownly increace! You don't have much time left before it's to late. Thats why i have been good enough to try to explain the truth to you about the 2 messiahs in the bible, and who i'am and why i'am here. I'am the only one who can reveal the man of sin (anti-christ) to the world. It will be only after i have done this that the devil satan will be cast out of hevean. Until that time the Devil, Satan will remain in heaven and deceive the world and accuse man kind before god as in Rev. 12... 7 Then war broke out in heaven; Michael 8 and his angels battled against the dragon. The dragon and its angels fought back, 8 but they did not prevail and there was no longer any place for them in heaven. 9 The huge dragon, the ancient serpent, 9 who is called the Devil and Satan, who deceived the whole world, was thrown down to earth, and its angels were thrown down with it. 10 Then I heard a loud voice in heaven say: Now have salvation and power come, and the kingdom of our God and the authority of his Anointed. For the accuser 10 of our brothers is cast out, who accuses them before our God day and night. If you read all of my posts you will learn a lot more about the real truth. It's like Gabriel told me, ALL THE CHURCHS ARE GUILTY OF ABOMINATIONS. He also said that what they teach is brain wash. None of the gospels and other books of the new testament are original, but are copies that have been past down and embellished over a period of the first few hundred years after christ. So know one knows what the original books and Letters said.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Recommendation for John Knapp - re: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: E.G. Malnak vs Yogi was Malnak vs Yogi, not AUFSOCAS vs Yogi. The fact that 1) the puja is done outside school 2) TM is optional even during the quiet time 3) that no TM teacher is directly involved int eh school program 4) that no theory is taught during the school program 5) that the program is NOT funded by the school all seem to make it different than the Malnak vs Yogi case. To me, that appears to be similar to the fundamentalist nutbag Christianists who are attempting to sneak their anti-evolution creationist religion into the public school system in the guise of intelligent design. Well, that assumes that intelligent design and TM theory (as presented in terms of a relaxation program) are on a similar level. It doesn't matter, Lawson. What they have in common is that they are both dishonest attempts to sneak religious-based ideology or practice into the public school system. You're assuming that TM, by its own existence, is a religious practice that is impossible to divorce from the cultural antecedents that MMY brought with it. Speaking as a Unitarian-Universalist who is quite willing to say itakimasu with his japanese friends before a meal, even though that literally means thanks to all that have brought us this meal [from the Lord God, to the spirits of the land to the farmers who grew the food] without insisting that it is a religious ceremony, I think that you are wrong here. I don't think that that is the case. There's no way to justify intellligent design as being scientific but its certainly plausible to justify quiet time as being worthy. The question is: is TM a more worthy quiet time than something else, and the answer is: what does it matter? This so-called quiet time is just a disguise, Lawson, for the TMO to incorporate TM into the public school system. You're not fooling anyone. Yes, but it allows for ANY quiet time to be incorporated during that same period, not just the DLF's. FOr the participants, TM quiet time costs no more than any other quiet time. The entire thing is funded by the DLF and any school participation is only to the level that they would have for sponsoring any other quiet time in that same school. Both approaches are hokey, transparent and blatantly dishonest. To you. THe TM organization touts TM as being a better quiet time than others, while admitting that other quiet times may be of value as well. The ID people may tout ID as an alternative theory but don't give any case of the argument against partaking in that theory int he first place. The only way you can make the situations analogous is to show where TM is WORSE for kids than simply sitting and reading a book. Nope. What they have in common is that they are both dishonest attempts to sneak religious-based ideology or practice into the public school system. See above. TM is only religious because people insist that it is. In the context of a stress-management program for kids, its no more religious than saying thanks everyone at the start of a meal. Probably less. Not to mention that they haven't been able to get a Malnak to bring suit yet, presumeably because the participation requires parental approval in the first place, unlike in the New Jersey situation and in the case of the california school, the DLF stepped aside rather than let someone take them to court because they objected.They've learned, in other words. The bottom line however is that, as the executive director, Barry Lynn of the Americans United for Separation of Church and State said: TM has always been rooted in the religion of Hinduism... There are no imminent cases right now, but people, including conservative Christian parents will say if Christianity can't be taught in the public schools then Hinduism can't be either. There are no imediate cases because no Malnak has stepped forward to be a spokesperson for Americans United for Separation of Church and State. While I don't see why the Americans United can't initiate the lawsuit on their own, I don't doubt that there WILL be a 'Malnak' if this issue reaches a sufficient level of public awareness and the TMO doesn't simply sneak by and get away with their typical hokey snow job. Except at the first sign of a Malnak, they withdraw completely. This issue deserves to be fully addressed legally and brought to a conclusive decision. Sure, but will they be able to in the context of how it is being presented? With no legal standing, no lawsuit can be brought. The
[FairfieldLife] Things get real good...from within. (was Re: New Conference)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig lengli...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: [...] Stop trying to portray the TMO as somehow noble in this endeavor. David Lynch might be, Paul McCartney and Ringo and the others might be. But the TMO is in it for the same reason they have *always* been into it -- for the money and to grow the cult. IMO, of course. Opinions based on assertions contrary to fact aren't worth a whole helluva lot. IMO, of course. Really, Barry is just putting a negative spin on something you've put a positive spin on. (Says Lawson, completely ignoring everything else I said in that post.) Aside from monetary issues, you BOTH agree that the goal is to grow the organization (cult or otherwise). The money is merely a secondary goal in service of the first. Growing the organization is a secondary goal in service of the primary goal, which is getting as many people as possible to meditate in the belief that widespread TM practice will bring about world peace and reduce suffering etc. OK so growing the organization is secondary to growing the participation of folks in the organization. Last I heard, you could practice TM without participating in the organization. IOW, increasing participation in the TMO (or just increasing its wealth so it can do more stuff) and increasing the number of people practicing TM are two different things (albeit with some overlap, granted).
[FairfieldLife] Re: I'AM TRYING TO SAVE YOU! SO LISTEN UP!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jimjim5886 jimjim5...@... wrote: I'am trying to save your soul! You have been decieved by the devil and are blind to the truth! I'am gods prophet in Rev. 11 and Zechariah 4. I'am the reincarnation of the prophet Elijah, also James Zebedee! I'am here to forewarn you of your impending doom! If you don't listen to me you will be cursed by God as in Malachi 4:6 Yeah, but can you recite the checking notes by heart? And can you repeat the words of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi by heart, even though you never met him? If you can't do that, you're shit. Old shit. Low-vibe shit. Covered-with-flies shit. Shit that embarrasses other shit. Ye know not to whom ye speak, O prophet. Ye speakest not to mere humans but to the Saviors Of The World. Christ was shit by comparison. Did *he* (or *He* if you prefer) ever grace the planet with his/His cosmic Woo Woo Rays every time his enlightened butt cheeks raised themselves from the polyeurethane? I think not. He lived when they were so backwards that they didn't even *have* polyeurethane. I rest my case. You and yer Biblical prophets are mere turds in the punchbowl of life compared to us. We are **TMers**, the Most Important People On The Planet. We are cognizant of the Home Of All The Laws Of Nature. We piss from on high on yer Bible. It is mere allegory pilfered from Greek legends compared to the majesty and eternal Cosmic Wisdom of our Vedas. We have **Beatles** among our midst. You've got what...Anita Bryant and Stephen Baldwin? And your God is mere shit, too, compared to the trinity of Brahma, Vishnu, and Shiva. And compared to the guy who lives on a higher plane than any of them, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. Dare I prove it? You fear Satan, right? That means that you aren't invincible. Anyone who isn't invincible is shit. Just ask the Raja who tried to tell that to modern-day Germans. He didn't take any of their low-vibe, covered- with-flies shit, either. Can you levitate? Walk on water? We can. (Any day now.) Do you know the super-secret mantra used to appease Shiva so that he doesn't moonwalk all over your ass and smush you into roadkill on a Kentucky highway before the rednecks get to it? We do. Do YOU spend tens of thousands of dollars to get brown-skinned boys to pray to the gods on your behalf while you're busy making a living? I think not. Chrisschuns never did learn to multitask the way we did. Threaten US with doom, will you? Well just sic Mahaaja Ramalamadingdong on yer ass and he'll get Vedic on yer ass. Ye know not who ye messeth with. Learn a little humility. You are in the company of your betters. And we say that with all humility. Have a nice day, Jai Guru Dev
[FairfieldLife] JUST TO REMIND YOU OF WHAT I SAID BEFORE
People seem to think that Barack Obama is going to save this country from ruin during this crisis were in. But they are going to be very disappointed because Obama will die suddenly and mysteriously after only a few days in office (first 100 days maybe) without really acomplishing much of anything. Other than to raise taxes. The bible says in Rev. 17:10 that there are 7 kings 5 are fallen and 1 is(present tense). I figured out who the first 6 kings were when Geoge W. Bush was President(During his frist term) and i realilized that there were still 5 former pres. still alive at that point in time. They were Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush, Clinton. And of course Geoge W. would be #6 who is spoken of in the present tense because of course he was the president then at that point in time, and still is untill Obama becomes king #7 on Jan. 20th. I saw in 1 of my visions where my wife said to some other women the president is allready dead. In the vision she was in Fargo, N. Dak. and she was looking in the direction of a plane that had just taken off from the airport in Fargo. I thing that plane might have been airforce 1. Acording to the catholic bible in Dan. 11 the person who is king or pres. just before the anti-christ comes along will die during a crises. Which is where we are now and its probably going to get worse. I started my web page in 2004. www.prophetelijahspeaks.freewebspace.com read the black print.I knew Who the frist 6 kings were. And i knew that whoever became pres. after Geoge W. Bush would be the 7th king. I thought for sure that people would be smart enough to see that Bush was wrong in going to war in Iraq. And that they would never reelect him, but i was wrong. And after the election i thought forsure that they would wake up and come to there senses and impeach him. But i was wrong again. But now that Obama has been elected i finely know for sure that he is the 7th king the bible speaks of and the 1 my wife spoke of in my vision. Also The angel Gabriel told me that Jimmy Carter is the anti-christ. So he will be the 8th king and is also one of the previous 7 kings as it says in Rev.17:10. Gabriel also told me that Jimmy Carter was going to change his name and divorce his wife.
Re: [FairfieldLife] I'AM TRYING TO SAVE YOU! SO LISTEN UP!
Where is this devil. I bet you don't know. you're jumping at shadows. - Original Message - From: jimjim5886 jimjim5...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 1:45 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] I'AM TRYING TO SAVE YOU! SO LISTEN UP! I'am trying to save your soul! You have been decieved by the devil and are blind to the truth! I'am gods prophet in Rev. 11 and Zechariah 4. I'am the reincarnation of the prophet Elijah, also James Zebedee! I'am here to forewarn you of your impending doom! If you don't listen to me you will be cursed by God as in Malachi 4:6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse. And then the chances of your burning in hell will ownly increace! You don't have much time left before it's to late. Thats why i have been good enough to try to explain the truth to you about the 2 messiahs in the bible, and who i'am and why i'am here. I'am the only one who can reveal the man of sin (anti-christ) to the world. It will be only after i have done this that the devil satan will be cast out of hevean. Until that time the Devil, Satan will remain in heaven and deceive the world and accuse man kind before god as in Rev. 12... 7 Then war broke out in heaven; Michael 8 and his angels battled against the dragon. The dragon and its angels fought back, 8 but they did not prevail and there was no longer any place for them in heaven. 9 The huge dragon, the ancient serpent, 9 who is called the Devil and Satan, who deceived the whole world, was thrown down to earth, and its angels were thrown down with it. 10 Then I heard a loud voice in heaven say: Now have salvation and power come, and the kingdom of our God and the authority of his Anointed. For the accuser 10 of our brothers is cast out, who accuses them before our God day and night. If you read all of my posts you will learn a lot more about the real truth. It's like Gabriel told me, ALL THE CHURCHS ARE GUILTY OF ABOMINATIONS. He also said that what they teach is brain wash. None of the gospels and other books of the new testament are original, but are copies that have been past down and embellished over a period of the first few hundred years after christ. So know one knows what the original books and Letters said. To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [FairfieldLife] JUST TO REMIND YOU OF WHAT I SAID BEFORE
What you have fer breakfast? People seem to think that Barack Obama is going to save this country from ruin during this crisis were in. But they are going to be very disappointed because Obama will die suddenly and mysteriously after only a few days in office (first 100 days maybe) without really acomplishing much of anything. Other than to raise taxes. The bible says in Rev. 17:10 that there are 7 kings 5 are fallen and 1 is(present tense). I figured out who the first 6 kings were when Geoge W. Bush was President(During his frist term) and i realilized that there were still 5 former pres. still alive at that point in time. They were Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush, Clinton. And of course Geoge W. would be #6 who is spoken of in the present tense because of course he was the president then at that point in time, and still is untill Obama becomes king #7 on Jan. 20th. I saw in 1 of my visions where my wife said to some other women the president is allready dead. In the vision she was in Fargo, N. Dak. and she was looking in the direction of a plane that had just taken off from the airport in Fargo. I thing that plane might have been airforce 1. Acording to the catholic bible in Dan. 11 the person who is king or pres. just before the anti-christ comes along will die during a crises. Which is where we are now and its probably going to get worse. I started my web page in 2004. www.prophetelijahsp eaks.freewebspac e.com read the black print.I knew Who the frist 6 kings were. And i knew that whoever became pres. after Geoge W. Bush would be the 7th king. I thought for sure that people would be smart enough to see that Bush was wrong in going to war in Iraq. And that they would never reelect him, but i was wrong. And after the election i thought forsure that they would wake up and come to there senses and impeach him. But i was wrong again. But now that Obama has been elected i finely know for sure that he is the 7th king the bible speaks of and the 1 my wife spoke of in my vision. Also The angel Gabriel told me that Jimmy Carter is the anti-christ. So he will be the 8th king and is also one of the previous 7 kings as it says in Rev.17:10. Gabriel also told me that Jimmy Carter was going to change his name and divorce his wife.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Reps Paul, Frank introduce bill to legalize industrial hemp
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_re...@... wrote: Reps Paul, Frank introduce bill to legalize industrial hemp http://tinyurl.com/c8jqsk I have been very disappointed at Obama's not being supportive about legalizing pot -- if only to save our country from billions spent to maintain the policing and incarceration efforts. My opinion is that Obama doesn't want to be ridiculed by the vicious rightwing with racial epithets of see, you elect a N-word, and what do you get? So, I understand, Mr. Obama, yes, I do, but, HA!, now you've got a real problem. If you support the growing of hemp, then the cops won't be able to spot the pot growing as easily, and hemp will be grown in every yard as a decorative plant cuz it's low maintence, and what's a cop to do with hundreds of houses with pot-esque plants growing? No way can law enforcement AFFORD the processing necessary to sort out the hemp growers from the pot growers. The irony of current cannabis laws is that that they keep the air relatively free of cannabis pollen, which makes conditions more favorable for outdoor cultivation of high-potency, seedless drug cannabis. If there were industrial hemp and ditchweed growing all over the place, airborne pollen would pollinate the drug crops, greatly reducing the quality and value. Legalizing industrial hemp would effectively drive drug cannabis cultivation indoors.
[FairfieldLife] Things get real good...from within. (was Re: New Conference)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: [...] One of the things that happened during the course with kids is that he held a little birthday party at a session for girl who broke down in tears when he brought in a birthday cake. Her shitty family NEVER celebrated her birthday. For some reason I can't imagine TM teachers doing that. They would probably just say keep meditating and things will get better. ;-) Huh. Big point on all TM courses I have EVER been on: celebrate everyone's birthday. L.
[FairfieldLife] Things get real good...from within. (was Re: New Conference)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: [...] Stop trying to portray the TMO as somehow noble in this endeavor. David Lynch might be, Paul McCartney and Ringo and the others might be. But the TMO is in it for the same reason they have *always* been into it -- for the money and to grow the cult. IMO, of course. Opinions based on assertions contrary to fact aren't worth a whole helluva lot. IMO, of course. Really, Barry is just putting a negative spin on something you've put a positive spin on. (Says Lawson, completely ignoring everything else I said in that post.) Aside from monetary issues, you BOTH agree that the goal is to grow the organization (cult or otherwise). The money is merely a secondary goal in service of the first. Growing the organization is a secondary goal in service of the primary goal, which is getting as many people as possible to meditate in the belief that widespread TM practice will bring about world peace and reduce suffering etc. OK so growing the organization is secondary to growing the participation of folks in the organization. Last I heard, you could practice TM without participating in the organization. IOW, increasing participation in the TMO (or just increasing its wealth so it can do more stuff) and increasing the number of people practicing TM are two different things (albeit with some overlap, granted). Yeah but the saying is pretty much that you're a TMer if you practice TM. If the goal is to get more people involved in TM then that isn't too much different than getting them involved in the TMO at least in the eyes of the folk who post in this forum. L.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Wind turbines could .. and the Planet Niroba
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor uns_tressor@ wrote: ...that they are already old hat. This free ebook (1800 pages) can provide all that is required whether the wind blows or not: http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk This is an interesting and entertaining book -- from first glance. But my impression of such books is that they were written by a group from the last Star Trek convention who found and edited a secret manuscript of a MIT grad student on acid -- dumped in the alley way as the student was being hauled off to Bellvue. Take the 15th chapter. The premise is that a huge brown dwarf (Niroba) with 5 orbiting planets, passes by our solar system every 3600 years, in past cycles caused the oceans to rise up, revealing the ocean floor, created Noah's flood, and currently is the total cause of global warming (and that CO2 has absolutely nothing to do with it). When the author spouts such, it tends to enhance my first premise, above. And there is a s*load of venture capital money for new energy technology -- if Chapters 1-14 had any economic viability, the VCs would be knocking their doors down to get a piece of the action. And it would be getting serious finding form DOE, EPA and university labs. Nada. Thus my first premise. Not a challenge, but a friendly reuest, do you have any cites that indicates the economic viability of any of these things -- and serious scientific / technology work being done using them? (and admittedly I did not read the whole thing) snip, There are a number of off grid electrical systems operating here in Fairfield. It is nice to notice the announcement of an increase in electrical rates in the paper and realize it is irrelevant.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Recommendation for John Knapp - re: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig lengli...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: E.G. Malnak vs Yogi was Malnak vs Yogi, not AUFSOCAS vs Yogi. The fact that 1) the puja is done outside school 2) TM is optional even during the quiet time 3) that no TM teacher is directly involved int eh school program 4) that no theory is taught during the school program 5) that the program is NOT funded by the school all seem to make it different than the Malnak vs Yogi case. To me, that appears to be similar to the fundamentalist nutbag Christianists who are attempting to sneak their anti-evolution creationist religion into the public school system in the guise of intelligent design. Well, that assumes that intelligent design and TM theory (as presented in terms of a relaxation program) are on a similar level. It doesn't matter, Lawson. What they have in common is that they are both dishonest attempts to sneak religious-based ideology or practice into the public school system. You're assuming that TM, by its own existence, is a religious practice that is impossible to divorce from the cultural antecedents that MMY brought with it. Speaking as a Unitarian-Universalist who is quite willing to say itakimasu with his japanese friends before a meal, even though that literally means thanks to all that have brought us this meal [from the Lord God, to the spirits of the land to the farmers who grew the food] without insisting that it is a religious ceremony, I think that you are wrong here. You can think what you like Lawson. Taking the standard fraudulent TMO party line comes easily to one who's steeped in it. I don't think that that is the case. There's no way to justify intellligent design as being scientific but its certainly plausible to justify quiet time as being worthy. The question is: is TM a more worthy quiet time than something else, and the answer is: what does it matter? This so-called quiet time is just a disguise, Lawson, for the TMO to incorporate TM into the public school system. You're not fooling anyone. Yes, but it allows for ANY quiet time to be incorporated during that same period, not just the DLF's. If you offer a quiet time you can not mention TM at all without the obvious implication that it's being promoted. FOr the participants, TM quiet time costs no more than any other quiet time. The entire thing is funded by the DLF and any school participation is only to the level that they would have for sponsoring any other quiet time in that same school. Both approaches are hokey, transparent and blatantly dishonest. To you. THe TM organization touts TM as being a better quiet time than others, while admitting that other quiet times may be of value as well. The ID people may tout ID as an alternative theory but don't give any case of the argument against partaking in that theory int he first place. The only way you can make the situations analogous is to show where TM is WORSE for kids than simply sitting and reading a book. Nope. What they have in common is that they are both dishonest attempts to sneak religious-based ideology or practice into the public school system. See above. TM is only religious because people insist that it is. That's because anyone with half a brain can plainly see, after looking behind the fraudulent TMO schlock and snake oil dance, that TM is indeed inextricably tied into the Hindu religion. In the context of a stress-management program for kids, its no more religious than saying thanks everyone at the start of a meal. Probably less. Not to mention that they haven't been able to get a Malnak to bring suit yet, presumeably because the participation requires parental approval in the first place, unlike in the New Jersey situation and in the case of the california school, the DLF stepped aside rather than let someone take them to court because they objected.They've learned, in other words. The bottom line however is that, as the executive director, Barry Lynn of the Americans United for Separation of Church and State said: TM has always been rooted in the religion of Hinduism... There are no imminent cases right now, but people, including conservative Christian parents will say if Christianity can't be taught in the public schools then Hinduism can't be either. There are no imediate cases because no Malnak has stepped forward to be a spokesperson for Americans United for Separation of Church and State.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I am a world famous physicist
Ahem , Jim, Physicist, not psychic! By the way, on your website you referred to Plato as Pluto. I would think the prophet Elijah would know the difference in these words. --- On Sat, 4/4/09, jimjim5886 jimjim5...@yahoo.com wrote: From: jimjim5886 jimjim5...@yahoo.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: I am a world famous physicist To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, April 4, 2009, 6:41 PM SO AM I, who am i?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Quiet time as it manifested at MSAE when I taught there
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Duveyoung no_re...@... wrote: off_world_beings wrote: It sounds like teaching is not your dharma. Off, I have degrees in Education from Wayne State University, and University of California. I went to over ten jyotishis that proclaimed my dharma was teaching and preaching. Jyotish is fickle. I'm inclined to feel validated by the above. Not that it's a gimme. Glad that you had kids who didn't act out. Lucky you, sez me. I taught school in inner city Detroit, in rich suburbs, at MSAE, and I taught individual children in the TM center. I had knives pulled on me, had parents as disconnected as zombies, had smarmy high-hatting parents, had everything across the spectrum Sounds like you have bad karma when it comes to teaching (even if it is your dharma.) How many weeks of quiet time will it take for the average kid to chuck it for lack of obvious results? Not much time at all IMO. Your opinion is not in question here. Opinions cannot be questioned, because that is all they are -- opinions. That's the whole point of opinions, you can say whatever you want. All that is in question is -- is your opinion considered valid scientific analysis?... and firstly, the answer to that is no, whilst secondly, your opinion is at odds with the published research. In fact, any kid who participates will run the risk of being called mental by the typical shithead miscreant kids that all schools must endure. Any kid runs the risk ofbeing called mental by the typical shithead miscreant kids that all schools must endure -- for almost any reason. Your point actually suggests your lack of understanding of schooling and kids in general. Kids are called all sorts of things for all sorts of reasons - but, if the kid is stronger inside, it will not matter as much. Kids are smarter than you think. Of the 2,000 people I taught, I often saw folks who paid good money for TM instruction quit within a week and never even come back for their 10 day checking even. All the persons I taught for free (not many but some who were in deep poverty) gave up TM -- if anything -- even sooner. So much for gratitude, eh? And David Lynch, Richard Baranson, Paul McCartney, Gerry Seinfeld, George Harrison, and MANY people I have met, have continued to meditate for decades without hardly being involved with the movement. I had a tennant and co-worker last year, who was my tennant, co-worker, and friend, many months before I found out he had been TM-meditating for 30 years. Your anecdotal 'statistics' are bum. Charlie Lutes always made fun of those who thought that they would run away and just meditate in a cave somewhere. Why? Charlie said: There has to be something that keeps you in the cave. Who cares about caves? -- No-one. Kids are not going to easily find that something that is necessary to keep them inside their cave minds. The ones that do resonate with the quiet time will be precious, but not plentiful. Then you make the massive and uncertain, but palusible, assumption, that there is no (zero) rise in consciousness in the world (by whatever source) -- which I think is not only an irrational assumption, but in addition, the alternative is HELL on Earth, in which case -- good luck wit' that. Rise in consciousness is fueling this endeavor and the kids and adults that learn today, ARE NOT the species that learned yesterday. This IS the transition phase. OffWorld Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: Not many times, but enough, I was a substitute teacher at MSAE, and I never had a classroom do group meditation in any manner that even remotely looks like quiet time. I don't know if they've finally fixed this at MSAE, but when I was there, kids would be fucking off all during group meditation -- to the point of laughing aloud, never closing their eyes, tossing notes to each other, speaking to each other, and being haughty about it when I made eye contact with them to brow beat them into closing their eyes. It sounds like teaching is not your dharma. I substitute taught in public schools (midldle and high school) and at MSAE. I almost never had any kid disrupt the class in any significant way. The old cliche about kids getting carzy with substitute teachers just did not appply in my case. I was kindof surprised by that in the beginning, but then it kept happening in different schools in different parts of the country. The MSAE kids were just as well behaved as the public school kids with the wide range of diverse personlalities that I love so much about teaching. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: Public Webcast of the Press Conference for the David Lynch Foundation Benefi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: Um, that number is totally bogus, spare. I heard they started at $75...don't know what the most expensive were, but it's seriously unlikely they came anywhere near that. They can't even get anywhere near that much scalping them. Guffaw. Rumors were that they sold out in just a few minutes and ended up being scalped on ebay for close to $10 grand each. You can pretned that 6000 seats in a charity concert sell for $75 each in NTC but I think you're slightly out of your mind. Um...Lawson...the actual ticket prices are contained in this viral email sent to meditators. One simple search on Ebay showed that the highest *asking price* (much less what they actually got for them) was $750, most much less. Now could we have a comment from you about your charge of insane? Advanced purchase email for TMers: *** Dis reporter thinks tiks ask price was a little higher: They should have held it in Madison Square Garden, he joked, noting the event was sold out in seconds, with tickets priced from $99 to $500 US. Internet scalpers are reselling them for up to $4,250. http://snipurl.com/f8btz [www_timescolonist_com] * Watched the web interview yesterday -- hard to believe Paul Horn, who spoke well, is 79 -- looks a lot younger, probably because he has been TMing two years longer than me (Paul started in 1966). Also liked the Catholic priest who runs orphanages in Columbia where kids do TM, and the scientists/psychiatrists who spoke.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Recommendation for John Knapp - re: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: Anyone with half a brain can plainly see, after looking behind the fraudulent TMO schlock and snake oil dance, that TM is indeed inextricably tied into the Hindu religion - and because of that it should not be incorporated into the US public education system. David Lynch could very well take his offer to more educated countries and let the americans rot.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Recommendation for John Knapp - re: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: Anyone with half a brain can plainly see, after looking behind the fraudulent TMO schlock and snake oil dance, that TM is indeed inextricably tied into the Hindu religion - and because of that it should not be incorporated into the US public education system. David Lynch could very well take his offer to more educated countries and let the americans rot. I suspect that there would be even more resistance to incorporating TM into the public school systems in Europe than in the U.S.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Recommendation for John Knapp - re: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: snip See above. TM is only religious because people insist that it is. That's because anyone with half a brain can plainly see, after looking behind the fraudulent TMO schlock and snake oil dance, that TM is indeed inextricably tied into the Hindu religion. Judge Adams of the Third Circuit Court of Appeals didn't plainly see that this was the case. He wrote a long, tightly reasoned concurring opinion which concluded, after exhaustive consideration, that TM-plus- SCI was a religious teaching (not a Hindu religious teaching) according to the definition of religion used in First Amendment cases. He wrote the opinion because, basically, he thought the majority opinion was too simplistic and that the issue required further thought. He would no doubt be disappointed to realize that his inability to instantly recognize TM/SCI as a religion meant that he had less than half a brain. (And that's TM *plus* SCI, not just plain-vanilla TM.) snip Anyone with half a brain can plainly see, after looking behind the fraudulent TMO schlock and snake oil dance, that TM is indeed inextricably tied into the Hindu religion - and because of that it should not be incorporated into the US public education system. snip But I will say again that anyone with half a brain can plainly see, after looking behind the fraudulent TMO schlock and snake oil dance, that TM is indeed inextricably tied into the Hindu religion - and because of that it should not be incorporated into the US public education system. snip The fact remains that TM is indeed deeply and inextricably tied into the Hindu religion - and because of that it should not be incorporated into the US public education system. You'd better say it a few more times, John, just to make absolutely sure. snicker
Re: [FairfieldLife] Things get real good...from within. (was Re: New Conference)
On Apr 4, 2009, at 4:37 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: Can be viewd here : http://www.davidlynchfoundation.org/ Having finally had time to watch yesterday's press conference, I'll spend a little time rapping about my impressions of it. I have to say that 1) there is little question that these people are all well- meaning and that their hearts are in the right places, but 2) many of them are *really* not the sharpest pencils in the box. Just watched it myself, Barry--fascinating, really. I'd never seen David Lynch speak before. Now I know why, if his quote in the subject line is an indication of *how* he speaks. He definitely could use some pointers on his public speaking. Well-intentioned and nice, but seemed to have some trouble getting to the point at times. Ringo was jetlagged and thus rambling and near-incoherent, but he was rambling and near-incoherent nonetheless. I thought Ringo was, as always, terrific, zany and Ringo-like. He said he was jet-lagged but I didn't see much evidence of it. He always knows how to get a laugh. Bob Roth looked like he's training in preparation for entering the Keith Richards Who Can Look The Most Dead While Still Being Technically Alive contest. He should have stayed off the stage. Hagelin was comfortable in front of the cameras and a good speaker, but on the whole his schtick reminded me of the TV preachers who raise money while invoking the poor children. Why do I always feel he reeks of condescension? Maybe it's just me. By comparison Russell Simmons struck me as more intelligent. Donovan has *never* been the sharpest pencil in the box, and upheld that tradition masterfully. I loved him, thought he looked and sounded great. Paul Horn was cool; it was good to see him again. He was terrific. If he really is 79, that's impressive. On the other hand, it wasn't good to see Mike Love, who is still the same near-illiterate asshole I knew and tolerated so many years ago. (It brought tears to my mind.) Way too full of himself, and holding at 10 divorces, I think (at last count) along with numerous abuse charges, not exactly a ringing endorsement for the mental clarity TM is supposed to deliver. Moby was good, except that he outgrew his idea that TM involved ritual animal sacrifice...someone should tell him about the Vedic horse sacrifice :-) He at least can speak without interjecting Like every 3 words...uh...like Mike. As always, after trotting out the personalities, then they trotted out the science, introduced again by a surprisingly not-well-spoken Lynch. While he was talking, did you catch how they panned the audience on several occasions, and that numerous reporters were laughing? It wasn't clear to me whether or not it was friendly laughter. I now understand my Internet friend's stories about the years she spent as Lynch's secretary and the difficulties she had explaining simple facets of real life to him. The teachers themselves, by comparison, were literate and good presenters. Personally, I watched it hoping to see Sheryl Crow, and was a little disappointed she wasn't there. I like her music, and she's not exactly hard to look at. But no. Anyway, on the whole I thought it was an *effective* press conference, given what it attempted to do (sell TM by getting people emotionally pumped up about the poor children at risk). I hope the concert is good and the attendees get their money's worth. The per- formers are all professionals, so I'm pretty sure that the music will be good. As for the program itself, I wish it well. I really do think that kids would benefit from learning a simple form of meditation while still kids. That the form of meditation being proposed is TM I think is problematic because I honestly believe that the way it's taught and explained in followup talks is religously-based and thus inappropriate for American schools given the Constitution and the clear wishes of America's founding fathers. But the courts will decide that. But as for the concert itself, I hope that any lurkers here who are attending enjoy it, and that they come back and give us their first-hand impressions. I hope they broadcast it at some point so we can all see for ourselves. I would guess that would happen, probably fairly soon. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Recommendation for John Knapp - re: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: Anyone with half a brain can plainly see, after looking behind the fraudulent TMO schlock and snake oil dance, that TM is indeed inextricably tied into the Hindu religion - and because of that it should not be incorporated into the US public education system. David Lynch could very well take his offer to more educated countries and let the americans rot. I suspect that there would be even more resistance to incorporating TM into the public school systems in Europe than in the U.S. I disagree. At least if the children are not exposed the TMSP. But since the stress-levels here is not as intense as in the USA it would take longer time to incorporate such programmes. Under any circumstances he would not be exposed to the intense level of stupidity repeated into pervesion as we see here on FFL from people scared almost to death to see a n y success for the TMO which obviously forever would proove they made a big mistake in stopping the practise. Sal and the Turq comes to mind. Seeing this, one can only wonder what intense ignorance he is bound to meet from christian fundamentalists in God's own country My bet is that he will take his generous offer elsewhere, far away from american fundamentalists. I might be wrong and I hope I do.
[FairfieldLife] Facebook
Hey, Facebook's really cool. I just bumped into a whole bunch of people from Maharishi U over the last few days. As well as some friends from here. I am proud to be real legit as I found my pic even in someone else's yearbook posting of Unity of MIU yearbook. Ninke Passi, man she is still so beautiful, if not soreso than ever. She is sooo pretty. Nice to see many old friends doing so well. Also bumped into --oops, old girlfriends. Feeling sort of guilty for renewing some ties.
[FairfieldLife] Things get real good...from within. (was Re: New Conference)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote: I hope they broadcast it at some point so we can all see for ourselves. I would guess that would happen, probably fairly soon. Sal No you don't want to see it because it will be a positive, altruistic event and therefore go against everything you believe in.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Recommendation for John Knapp - re: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: snip Good intentions aren't enough. And panacea cures don't address the social ills that are dragging down these kids. Poverty Goes Straight to the Brain By Brandon Keim Growing up poor isn't merely hard on kids. It might also be bad for their brains. A long-term study of cognitive development in lower- and middle-class students found strong links between childhood poverty, physiological stress and adult memory. The findings support a neurobiological hypothesis for why impoverished children consistently fare worse than their middle-class counterparts in school, and eventually in life. Chronically elevated physiological stress is a plausible model for how poverty could get into the brain and eventually interfere with achievement, wrote Cornell University child-development researchers Gary Evans and Michelle Schamberg in a paper published Monday in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. For decades, education researchers have documented the disproportionately low academic performance of poor children and teenagers living in poverty. Called the achievement gap, its proposed sociological explanations are many. Compared to well-off kids, poor children tend to go to ill-equipped and ill- taught schools, have fewer educational resources at home, eat low-nutrition food, and have less access to health care. At the same time, scientists have studied the cognitive abilities of poor children, and the neurobiological effects of stress on laboratory animals. They've found that, on average, socioeconomic status predicts a battery of key mental abilities, with deficits showing up in kindergarten and continuing through middle school. Scientists also found that hormones produced in response to stress literally wear down the brains of animals. Evans and Schamberg's findings pull the pieces of the puzzle together, and the implications are disturbing. Sociological explanations for the achievement gap are likely correct, but they may be incomplete. In addition to poverty's many social obstacles, it may pose a biological obstacle, too. A plausible contributor to the income-achievement gap is working-memory impairment in lower-income adults caused by stress-related damage to the brain during childhood, they wrote Read more: http://blog.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/03/poordevelopment.html http://tinyurl.com/cqxxow
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[FairfieldLife] Growing Wingnut Mob Militia Mentality
~~ Pitchforks and Pistols ~~ by Charles Blow New York Times, April 3, 2009 http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/04/opinion/04blow.html?_r=1 Lately I've been consuming as much conservative media as possible (interspersed with shots of Pepto-Bismol) to get a better sense of the mind and mood of the right. My read: They're apocalyptic. They feel isolated, angry, betrayed and besieged. And some of their leaders seem to be trying to mold them into militias. At first, it was entertaining just harmless, hotheaded expostulation. Of course, there were the garbled facts, twisted logic and veiled hate speech. But what did I expect, fair and balanced? It was like walking through an ideological house of mirrors. The distortions can be mildly amusing at first, but if I stay too long it makes me sick. But, it's not all just harmless talk. For some, their disaffection has hardened into something more dark and dangerous. They're talking about a revolution. Some simply lace their unscrupulous screeds with loaded language about the fall of the Republic. We have to rise up and take back our country. Others have been much more explicit. For example, Chuck Norris, the preeminent black belt and prospective Red Shirt, wrote earlier this month on the conservative blog WorldNetDaily: How much more will Americans take? When will enough be enough? And, when that time comes, will our leaders finally listen or will history need to record a second American Revolution? Representative Michele Bachmann of Minnesota, imagining herself as some sort of Delacroixian Liberty from the Land of the Lakes, urged her fellow Minnesotans to be armed and dangerous, ready to bust caps over cap-and-trade, I presume. And between his tears, Glenn Beck, the self-professed rodeo clown, keeps warning of an impending insurrection by saying that he believes that we are heading for depression and revolution and then gaming out that revolution on his show last month. Think the unthinkable he said. Indeed. All this talk of revolution is revolting, and it hasn't gone unnoticed. As the comedian Bill Maher pointed out, strong language can poison weak minds, as it did in the case of Timothy McVeigh. (We sometimes forget that not all dangerous men are trained by Al Qaeda.) At the same time, the unrelenting meme being pushed by the right that Obama will mount an assault on the Second Amendment has helped fuel the panic buying of firearms. According to the F.B.I., there have been 1.2 million more requests for background checks of potential gun buyers from November to February than there were in the same four months last year. - - That's 5.5 million requests altogether over that period; more than the number of people living in Bachmann's Minnesota. Coincidence? Maybe. Just posturing? Hopefully. But it all gives me a really bad feeling. (Where's that Pepto-Bismol?!)
