[FairfieldLife] Re: The Balm of Enlightened-Mind
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: I would be more impressed with Vaj's scientific claims, if he could provide a first hand account of his personal pacification experiences with the Dali Lama. I'd be more impressed with TMers if they learned how to spell the Dalai Lama's name. :-) Remedial education for TMers: Dali Lama -- a surrealistic painter from Catalunya, known for his flamboyant mustache. Dali Llama -- a South American cud-chewing animal related to camels but smaller and lacking a hump. Dolly Lama -- an American country-and-western singer known for her big humps. Dalai Lama -- a well-known spiritual teacher. All four are Buddhists, so it's still OK to dump on them so you feel better about being a TMer and thus following the highest path. Doing so indicates how spiritually advanced you are. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Paul McCartney - Let It Be, Kiev 2008
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkz-BXEcSXcfeature=related
[FairfieldLife] Re: 18 fun atrocities straight from the Bible
-Fun Avataric atrocities, kill a cow pay a big price, for the good of the order: A haihaya King Kartavirya Arjuna (Sahasrarjuna - purportedly with a thousand arms) and his army visited Jamadagni, a Brahmin sage, who fed his guest and the whole army with his divine cow Kamadhenu. The king demanded the magical cow. Jamadagni refused because he needed the cow for his religious ceremonies. King Kartavirya Arjuna (Sahasrarjuna) took the cow forcibly and devastated the ashram. Angered at this, Parashurama killed the king's entire army and, after cutting each one of his thousand arms, the king himself with his axe. As a revenge, the King's sons killed Jamadagni in Parashurama's absence. Furious at his father's murder, Parashurama killed all sons of Sahasrajuna and their aides. His thirst for revenge unquenched, he went on killing every adult Kshatriya on earth, not once but 21 times, filling five ponds with blood. -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: http://www.iheartchaos.com/content/18-fun-atrocities-straight-bible-more-you -know
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Balm of Enlightened-Mind
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: Dalai Lama -- a well-known spiritual teacher. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Happy Mother's Day
Ella Fitzgerald, Queen of Jazz, wails on meaningless sounds, scat mantras that don't mean a thing. Enjoy. http://tinyurl.com/qxzg4x http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7788693758883102519
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Balm of Enlightened-Mind
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: I would be more impressed with Vaj's scientific claims, if he could provide a first hand account of his personal pacification experiences with the Dali Lama. I'd be more impressed with TMers if they learned how to spell the Dalai Lama's name. :-) Remedial education for TMers: Dali Lama -- a surrealistic painter from Catalunya, known for his flamboyant mustache. Dali Llama -- a South American cud-chewing animal related to camels but smaller and lacking a hump. Dolly Lama -- an American country-and-western singer known for her big humps. Dalai Lama -- a well-known spiritual teacher. All four are Buddhists, so it's still OK to dump on them so you feel better about being a TMer and thus following the highest path. Doing so indicates how spiritually advanced you are. :-) Look whose dumping from his high horse now. If Vaj wants to make scientific claims for the Dalai Lama's spiritual whammy powers (red pen spelling correction noted) he could at least back it up. I'm not even asking for a study, just one little personal experience. Vaj is very quick to criticize TM research but has not yet supported his claims for pacification whatever the hell that even means. I don't doubt the DL's spiritual greatness or his ability to be a conduit for people to experience unity consciousness. I just doubt that such a subjective experience as pacification or unity consciousness is quantifiable other than the telling of an anecdote. I am interested to hear from Vaj and not you unless you have met the Dalai Lama and have a truthful story to tell about an experience of pacification and what that means to you. P.S. Deli Lama: A sandwich.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Balm of Enlightened-Mind
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: The interesting story of world-renowned psychologist, Paul Ekman, and the resolution of a lifetime of anger. A related project had its roots in a surprisingly powerful private exchange Paul Ekman had with the Dalai Lama during a tea break on Wednesday. Well, ahiMsaa-pratiSThaayaaM tat-saMnidhau vaira-tyaagaH??
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Balm of Enlightened-Mind
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: I am interested to hear from Vaj and not you unless you have met the Dalai Lama and have a truthful story to tell about an experience of pacification and what that means to you. Well, I saw the Dalai Lama once in Paris, and after meeting with him I walked outside and there were protesters there who had been paid to protest by the Chinese embassy in Paris. ( Really! Made the news in the Paris papers when they found out that that each of the protesters had been paid more than the police who had been called in to watch them. ) I kicked the shit out of all of them. Things were much more peaceful then. So I guess that pacification works because I wasn't the least bit angry as I wailed on their asses. ( Not really. We pacified Buddhists live by a variant of Orson Welles' old credo: We shall kick no ass before its time. It wasn't their time. ) P.S. Deli Lama: A sandwich. A...very good, Grasshopper. Now, to see whether you have learned enough to leave the monastery, does the sandwich contain meat or not?
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Balm of Enlightened-Mind
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: I would be more impressed with Vaj's scientific claims, if he could provide a first hand account of his personal pacification experiences with the Dali Lama. I'd be more impressed with TMers if they learned how to spell the Dalai Lama's name. :-) Remedial education for TMers: Dali Lama -- a surrealistic painter from Catalunya, known for his flamboyant mustache. Dali Llama -- a South American cud-chewing animal related to camels but smaller and lacking a hump. Dolly Lama -- an American country-and-western singer known for her big humps. Dalai Lama -- a well-known spiritual teacher. All four are Buddhists, so it's still OK to dump on them so you feel better about being a TMer and thus following the highest path. Doing so indicates how spiritually advanced you are. :-) Look whose dumping from his high horse now. If Vaj wants to make scientific claims for the Dalai Lama's spiritual whammy powers (red pen spelling correction noted) he could at least back it up. I'm not even asking for a study, just one little personal experience. Vaj is very quick to criticize TM research but has not yet supported his claims for pacification whatever the hell that even means. I don't doubt the DL's spiritual greatness or his ability to be a conduit for people to experience unity consciousness. I just doubt that such a subjective experience as pacification or unity consciousness is quantifiable other than the telling of an anecdote. I am interested to hear from Vaj and not you unless you have met the Dalai Lama and have a truthful story to tell about an experience of pacification and what that means to you. P.S. Deli Lama: A sandwich. Well, maybe Vaj., never met the 14th Dalai Lama of Tibet... To me, it seems like this so-called 'Pacification' vibe, is one of non-violence... If you look up non-violence in the dictionary, you should see the Daliai there, as well as Martin Luther King and Gandhi... They were and are symbols of non-violence... So, perhaps this guy, who shook hands with the Dalai, got the contrast between his fathers violent vibe, and that of non-violence... Perhaps this guy, was born into a family with a father like that, and suppose he met the Dalai, so he could get the lesson of the contrast between anger and violence and peacefulness and non-violence. You really can't compare the Vibes of the Tribes: The Yogis and The Buddhists... One is interested in ~(zap)~ Experience of the Divine; And the other is more interested in Rituals, Bells...and proving that they are Bestest Buddhist this side of 2nd St... So, there ya go. R.G.
[FairfieldLife] 'The Many Faces of Pacification'
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacification
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Balm of Enlightened-Mind
On May 9, 2009, at 10:53 PM, grate.swan wrote: But just, what if, A doesn't cause B and its just an illusion? Then, despite the direct experience, its still an illusion. I had a filipino faith healer pull ugly bloody things from my body. I directly experienced it. Do you think it was real? Yeah, he was pulling bloody things from the palm of his hand, away from your body. I believe that was real. Real chicken liver probably. :-) Exactly. So direct experience can be faulty. We may interpret things we see as something they are not. But this is A causes some effect on B sometime in the future. Its even less credible, in a scientific sense, that A caused B than the faith healer. Even a church faith healer has more evidence / signs of A causing B right now than the DL effect with a 4 month or so delayed reaction. Just think of how many variables there are between now and four months from now on everybody's lives. 50,000 no 50,000,000 things will happen. And you are going to pick one as the SINGLE causal factor because an ancient text says so?! If you are making a case that some ancient texts says that A causes B, and thus it must be real -- gosh. That's as credible as Maharishi saying yagyas really really work because we have some ancient texts that say they do. And Sat Yuga exists. Or people fly. And on and on. What makes a good shamatha/samadhi text any more credible than that? It's about having the appropriate instrument for investigation. If you want to look at the stars, it's fine if you have a nice telescope, but it's not that helpful if you're trying to observe the stars from the back of a moving motorcycle. The mind needs to be similarly stable. In order for the telescope be clear, it needs to be built in a clean room. Similarly the mind as an instrument needs to be prepared by the prerequisites of samadhi. Further, if you're going to see clearly, the lenses need to be clean; similarly, attention should be vivid, not lax. Etc.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Balm of Enlightened-Mind
On May 10, 2009, at 3:06 AM, raunchydog wrote: Look whose dumping from his high horse now. If Vaj wants to make scientific claims for the Dalai Lama's spiritual whammy powers (red pen spelling correction noted) he could at least back it up. I'm not even asking for a study, just one little personal experience. Vaj is very quick to criticize TM research but has not yet supported his claims for pacification whatever the hell that even means. I don't doubt the DL's spiritual greatness or his ability to be a conduit for people to experience unity consciousness. I just doubt that such a subjective experience as pacification or unity consciousness is quantifiable other than the telling of an anecdote. I am interested to hear from Vaj and not you unless you have met the Dalai Lama and have a truthful story to tell about an experience of pacification and what that means to you. What made you think that the post was meant to make scientific claims for the Dalai Lama's spiritual whammy powers? That's a pretty bizarre claim. Not all of us are interested in talking about ourselves endlessly, even though we've had similar experiences. Since you come across as such an angry person, maybe it would better for you to experience it yourself firsthand? Then you could talk about I, Me and Mine all you like!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Meditator Status
FFL Meditators . Of the top ten writers, are they meditators? How many of the top 10 FFL writers could put 'yes' as meditator next to their name? Are these writers, all meditators? Of some kind? Like, current practicing meditators? Yes, some of these folks evidently are, in FFL public admissions of recent times. Any others than these? `Yes' = meditators Fairfield Life Post Counter, Meditator Status: 50 authfriend jst...@... `Yes' 50 TurquoiseB no_re...@yahoogroups.com `Yes' 45 Vaj vajradh...@... 44 nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com 32 grate.swan no_re...@yahoogroups.com Yes 31 Bhairitu noozg...@... 29 sparaig lengli...@... 27 ruthsimplicity no_re...@yahoogroups.com 27 Richard J. Williams willy...@... 22 off_world_beings no_re...@yahoogroups.com `Yes' 22 dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony...@... 21 enlightened_dawn11 no_re...@yahoogroups.com `Yes' 20 Rick Archer r...@... 20 Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com 18 do.rflex do.rf...@... 17 bob_brigante no_re...@yahoogroups.com 16 Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... `Yes' 15 BillyG. wg...@... 13 Richard M compost...@... 12 shempmcgurk shempmcg...@... 10 satvadude108 no_re...@yahoogroups.com `Yes' 10 raunchydog raunchy...@... 10 lurkernomore20002000 steve.sun...@... 9 cardemaister no_re...@yahoogroups.com 8 wle...@... 8 Nelson nelsonriddle2...@... 7 geezerfreak geezerfr...@... 3 drpetersutphen drpetersutp...@... 3 William108 william10...@... 3 Dick Richardson somerse...@... 3 Dick Mays dickm...@... 3 Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@... 2 sgrayatlarge no_re...@yahoogroups.com 2 scienceofabundance no_re...@yahoogroups.com 2 beno beno mynameisb...@... 2 Tom azg...@... 2 Marek Reavis reavisma...@... 2 Hugo richardhughes...@... 1 uns_tressor uns_tres...@... 1 tkrystofiak kry...@... 1 pranamoocher bh...@... 1 nelson lafrancis nelsonriddle2...@... 1 metoostill metoost...@... 1 Peter drpetersutp...@... 1 Paul Mason premanandp...@... 1 Patrick Gillam jpgil...@... 1 Mike Doughney m...@... 1 Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@... 1 Joe Smith msilver1...@... 1 Barbara Thomas barbara_thoma...@... 1 min.pige min.p...@... Posters: 51 1 shukra69 shukr...@... 1 sanosh2002 sanosh2...@... 1 Zoran Krneta krneta.zo...@... 1 John jr_...@...
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Balm of Enlightened-Mind
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: I would be more impressed with Vaj's scientific claims, if he could provide a first hand account of his personal pacification experiences with the Dali Lama. I'd be more impressed with TMers if they learned how to spell the Dalai Lama's name. :-) To ensure a fairly decent pronunciation it might be best spelt something like 'duh-lie' (the second syllable rhymes with 'why'). Well, actually I don't know how Tibetans pronounce Da Name... ;D
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Balm of Enlightened-Mind
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: On May 9, 2009, at 10:53 PM, grate.swan wrote: But just, what if, A doesn't cause B and its just an illusion? Then, despite the direct experience, its still an illusion. I had a filipino faith healer pull ugly bloody things from my body. I directly experienced it. Do you think it was real? Yeah, he was pulling bloody things from the palm of his hand, away from your body. I believe that was real. Real chicken liver probably. :-) Exactly. So direct experience can be faulty. We may interpret things we see as something they are not. But this is A causes some effect on B sometime in the future. Its even less credible, in a scientific sense, that A caused B than the faith healer. Even a church faith healer has more evidence / signs of A causing B right now than the DL effect with a 4 month or so delayed reaction. Just think of how many variables there are between now and four months from now on everybody's lives. 50,000 no 50,000,000 things will happen. And you are going to pick one as the SINGLE causal factor because an ancient text says so?! If you are making a case that some ancient texts says that A causes B, and thus it must be real -- gosh. That's as credible as Maharishi saying yagyas really really work because we have some ancient texts that say they do. And Sat Yuga exists. Or people fly. And on and on. What makes a good shamatha/samadhi text any more credible than that? It's about having the appropriate instrument for investigation. If you want to look at the stars, it's fine if you have a nice telescope, but it's not that helpful if you're trying to observe the stars from the back of a moving motorcycle. The mind needs to be similarly stable. In order for the telescope be clear, it needs to be built in a clean room. Similarly the mind as an instrument needs to be prepared by the prerequisites of samadhi. Further, if you're going to see clearly, the lenses need to be clean; similarly, attention should be vivid, not lax. Etc. A stable telescope that needs a little Windex so you can see the stars clearly and vividly is a great metaphor for samadhi. It sounds exactly like my TM-Sidhi program on a good day. So is this your answer to GrateSwan, that there is not an appropriate instrument for investigation? In post #218205 http://tinyurl.com/pzncrn GrateSwan asked you to back up your claims for pacification and so far you have offered ancient texts and an analogy. If that is the best proof you can offer for the Dalai Lama's ability to create the pacification effect you have no room to criticize the Maharishi Effect, which if you look at it more closely, and split a few hairs about it, we talking very much about the same thing. The only thing you have not yet offered as proof of pacification is the telling of your personal experience from having been with the Dalai Lama. I've told a few gushy stories of my experiences with Maharishi so if you want to gush over the Dalai Lama, I'd love to hear it. Pacify me.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Balm of Enlightened-Mind
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: On May 10, 2009, at 3:06 AM, raunchydog wrote: Look whose dumping from his high horse now. If Vaj wants to make scientific claims for the Dalai Lama's spiritual whammy powers (red pen spelling correction noted) he could at least back it up. I'm not even asking for a study, just one little personal experience. snip What made you think that the post was meant to make scientific claims for the Dalai Lama's spiritual whammy powers? That's a pretty bizarre claim. True, Vaj has been explicit that he's making *unscientific* claims for the Dalai Lama's spiritual whammy powers (post #218203): Before there was scientific replication, it was known and replicated many, many times. Not all of us are interested in talking about ourselves endlessly, even though we've had similar experiences. Translation: Vaj hasn't had an experience of pacification from the Dalai Lama.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Balm of Enlightened-Mind
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On May 9, 2009, at 10:53 PM, grate.swan wrote: But just, what if, A doesn't cause B and its just an illusion? Then, despite the direct experience, its still an illusion. I had a filipino faith healer pull ugly bloody things from my body. I directly experienced it. Do you think it was real? Yeah, he was pulling bloody things from the palm of his hand, away from your body. I believe that was real. Real chicken liver probably. :-) Exactly. So direct experience can be faulty. We may interpret things we see as something they are not. But this is A causes some effect on B sometime in the future. Its even less credible, in a scientific sense, that A caused B than the faith healer. Even a church faith healer has more evidence / signs of A causing B right now than the DL effect with a 4 month or so delayed reaction. Just think of how many variables there are between now and four months from now on everybody's lives. 50,000 no 50,000,000 things will happen. And you are going to pick one as the SINGLE causal factor because an ancient text says so?! If you are making a case that some ancient texts says that A causes B, and thus it must be real -- gosh. That's as credible as Maharishi saying yagyas really really work because we have some ancient texts that say they do. And Sat Yuga exists. Or people fly. And on and on. What makes a good shamatha/samadhi text any more credible than that? It's about having the appropriate instrument for investigation. If you want to look at the stars, it's fine if you have a nice telescope, but it's not that helpful if you're trying to observe the stars from the back of a moving motorcycle. The mind needs to be similarly stable. In order for the telescope be clear, it needs to be built in a clean room. Similarly the mind as an instrument needs to be prepared by the prerequisites of samadhi. Further, if you're going to see clearly, the lenses need to be clean; similarly, attention should be vivid, not lax. Etc. A stable telescope that needs a little Windex so you can see the stars clearly and vividly is a great metaphor for samadhi. It sounds exactly like my TM-Sidhi program on a good day. So is this your answer to GrateSwan, that there is not an appropriate instrument for investigation? In post #218205 http://tinyurl.com/pzncrn GrateSwan asked you to back up your claims for pacification and so far you have offered ancient texts and an analogy. If that is the best proof you can offer for the Dalai Lama's ability to create the pacification effect you have no room to criticize the Maharishi Effect, which if you look at it more closely, and split a few hairs about it, we talking very much about the same thing. The only thing you have not yet offered as proof of pacification is the telling of your personal experience from having been with the Dalai Lama. I've told a few gushy stories of my experiences with Maharishi so if you want to gush over the Dalai Lama, I'd love to hear it. Pacify me. I like the DL (did I spell it right?). He is a sweet gentle man, and appears to have good insights. And a sense of humor. However, if he has the power of pacification, why does he not use it on the Chinese leaders -- who upon pacification will grant and celebrate autonomy, if not freedom, to/for Tibet? Why does he go for small fish like Ekland. Why doesn't he at least pacify Vaj via transmission and root out his anger?
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Balm of Enlightened-Mind
If Vaj was within two feet of the Dalai Lama and had been balmisized, how is that different if Vaj reported that he'd once been at the back of a lecture hall filled with folks hearing the Dalai Lama's sermon and had been balmisized by that? Are we saying that the closer to the fire the greater the heat, or, do we believe the balmisizing has nothing to do with physical distance? IOW, Vaj doesn't ever have to have had a real meeting with the Dalai Lama for balmisizing to have happened. All that's really required is that Vaj be properly prepared spiritually for the experience. The closer one physically gets to the Dalai Lama, the more easily the brain can be filled with a constant triggering, e.g., OMG, I'm here with the Dalai Lama, or The Dalai Lama just touched me. etc., but a mind such as the one Vaj presents daily to us could easily be as involved and intensely focused on a spectrum of expectations from merely contemplating the Dalai Lama since Vaj's involvement with Buddhism is so deep. Two women try to pick up a car, but only the mother of the trapped child lifts it, like that. Whether or not there's something really given to Vaj from the Dalai Lama, I can easily see a very real life change happening to Vaj from simply the placebo effect combined with a spiritual intent that is daily and frequently entertained by Vaj. It's as understandable as the results of faith healers or bone shakers or voodoo rites -- real things can happen no matter if the presumed dynamics are actually operative. I had some chicken meat taken from my body and nothing came of it. Why? I was paying my $125 just to see up close how the magic act was conducted. I wasn't there in a mind prepared to change. And, verily I got what I was paying for -- I got a tee shirt that said, I went to a psychic surgeon, and all I got was salmonella. I envy those who can get real results by any method. Any of Grate Swan's list of possibilities would do me. Hook or crook, what does it matter? Blessed are those who believe and have not seen -- it's a powerful tool if one can, you know, work it, and make believing things a daily regimen. What would Jesus do? -- another example? Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On May 10, 2009, at 3:06 AM, raunchydog wrote: Look whose dumping from his high horse now. If Vaj wants to make scientific claims for the Dalai Lama's spiritual whammy powers (red pen spelling correction noted) he could at least back it up. I'm not even asking for a study, just one little personal experience. snip What made you think that the post was meant to make scientific claims for the Dalai Lama's spiritual whammy powers? That's a pretty bizarre claim. True, Vaj has been explicit that he's making *unscientific* claims for the Dalai Lama's spiritual whammy powers (post #218203): Before there was scientific replication, it was known and replicated many, many times. Not all of us are interested in talking about ourselves endlessly, even though we've had similar experiences. Translation: Vaj hasn't had an experience of pacification from the Dalai Lama.
[FairfieldLife] My Theory, Which Is Mine (was Re: Emotional Masturbation)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan no_reply@ wrote: Different from our perception, but logically reasonable and plausible. From that, I think is a crack in the cage by which the astute may wiggle free. (Which counters the notion prevalent is some new age and neo- advaita groups that the intellect is the problem, the enemy.) Well, but isn't that because the intellect, having realized that others have their own perspectives, are I see your point. However, my thought, perhaps weakly conveyed, is that if we can get to a reference free, or bias-free state -- where the light -- so to speak is white or clear -- comprehensive of all spectrums, not colored by a limited spectrum, then we see what actually is -- not just the color of the limited spectrum (of our individuality). Sure, but isn't the intellect (the working mind, not the abstraction) exactly what inhibits getting to the reference-free state? snip As may be obvious, I am a fan of intellect and see it as a tool not something to shun or push out the door. I don't think there is a fundamental mistake of the intellect. I'm a big fan of the intellect as well, but I find the concept of the mistake of the intellect, as I understand MMY's definition of it, compelling. The intellect's function is to discriminate between this and that, to make distinctions, to draw boundaries, which is essential for life in the relative. But enlightenment is the realization of no boundaries, of unity. The intellect is helpless to encompass unity, but it doesn't want to admit that, so it keeps trying to reduce enlightenment to something it can deal with. This can get in the way of experiential realization. The intellect needs to siddown and shaddup long enough for the realization to take place and become established. Once that occurs, the intellect can come back in the picture, but as a tool rather than what runs things. That's a *very* crude explanation. It's not that one has to be stupid to attain enlightenment, just that the intellect can be helpful only up to a point. As a sort of parallel, in meditation (TM), the intellect makes the distinction between the thought of the mantra and other thoughts, but in order to experience transcendental consciousness, the intellect has to let go of all thoughts, all distinctions. That's the sense, I think, in which the intellect can be viewed as the enemy. As I view it today, the mistake is caused by darkness -- seeing things in dim light -- and projecting what light we have in a limited spectrum. Crank up the amps on the light, and purify it towards white light -- and that which is becomes clearer. Not sure how or whether what I said above fits into the scheme of things as you see it...
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Balm of Enlightened-Mind
http://tinyurl.com/qwy7bj The link above goes to a New York Times article that deals with the placebo effect from a very mundane angle: the use of various creams that are sold over the counter for various bodily aches. Edg PSthe below wasn't formatted by hand by me -- sorry, I forgot, but know that I am attempting to make my posts readable to those who get them via email. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_re...@... wrote: If Vaj was within two feet of the Dalai Lama and had been balmisized, how is that different if Vaj reported that he'd once been at the back of a lecture hall filled with folks hearing the Dalai Lama's sermon and had been balmisized by that? Are we saying that the closer to the fire the greater the heat, or, do we believe the balmisizing has nothing to do with physical distance? IOW, Vaj doesn't ever have to have had a real meeting with the Dalai Lama for balmisizing to have happened. All that's really required is that Vaj be properly prepared spiritually for the experience. The closer one physically gets to the Dalai Lama, the more easily the brain can be filled with a constant triggering, e.g., OMG, I'm here with the Dalai Lama, or The Dalai Lama just touched me. etc., but a mind such as the one Vaj presents daily to us could easily be as involved and intensely focused on a spectrum of expectations from merely contemplating the Dalai Lama since Vaj's involvement with Buddhism is so deep. Two women try to pick up a car, but only the mother of the trapped child lifts it, like that. Whether or not there's something really given to Vaj from the Dalai Lama, I can easily see a very real life change happening to Vaj from simply the placebo effect combined with a spiritual intent that is daily and frequently entertained by Vaj. It's as understandable as the results of faith healers or bone shakers or voodoo rites -- real things can happen no matter if the presumed dynamics are actually operative. I had some chicken meat taken from my body and nothing came of it. Why? I was paying my $125 just to see up close how the magic act was conducted. I wasn't there in a mind prepared to change. And, verily I got what I was paying for -- I got a tee shirt that said, I went to a psychic surgeon, and all I got was salmonella. I envy those who can get real results by any method. Any of Grate Swan's list of possibilities would do me. Hook or crook, what does it matter? Blessed are those who believe and have not seen -- it's a powerful tool if one can, you know, work it, and make believing things a daily regimen. What would Jesus do? -- another example? Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On May 10, 2009, at 3:06 AM, raunchydog wrote: Look whose dumping from his high horse now. If Vaj wants to make scientific claims for the Dalai Lama's spiritual whammy powers (red pen spelling correction noted) he could at least back it up. I'm not even asking for a study, just one little personal experience. snip What made you think that the post was meant to make scientific claims for the Dalai Lama's spiritual whammy powers? That's a pretty bizarre claim. True, Vaj has been explicit that he's making *unscientific* claims for the Dalai Lama's spiritual whammy powers (post #218203): Before there was scientific replication, it was known and replicated many, many times. Not all of us are interested in talking about ourselves endlessly, even though we've had similar experiences. Translation: Vaj hasn't had an experience of pacification from the Dalai Lama.
[FairfieldLife] My Theory, Which Is Mine (was Re: Emotional Masturbation)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip Sure, but isn't the intellect (the working mind, not the abstraction) exactly what inhibits getting to the reference-free state? I don't believe it's the intellect your speaking of? It's the ego, that keeps one from a reference free state. The ego becomes our reference point, and that is what needs transcendence...The intellect just notices this or that...it jumps to see what is the choice between this or that. Well, see my response to grate.swan. It's the situation in which the intellect is perceived as, or perceives itself to be, supreme that gets in the way. I'm not sure how the concept of ego fits into the concept of the mistake of the intellect; I'm not sure the ego can be said to be separate from the intellect, but that may be one way to put it. The ego dissolves when the mind experiences pure consciousness, beyond ego When the bliss of being is established in awareness, then the intellect becomes aligned with being, instead of the limited take of the ego... Yes, that's my understanding of what happens once enlightenment has been realized. Of course, all this analysis is being done *by* the intellect, so perhaps we shouldn't put all that much stock in it anyway! The ego begins to change it's identification, and begins to identify with being, beyond individual mind, emotion and intellect... When intellect experiences: Sat Chit Ananda, then it becomes aligned with 'Absolute Bliss Consciousness... R.G.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Balm of Enlightened-Mind
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan no_re...@... wrote: I like the DL (did I spell it right?). He is a sweet gentle man, and appears to have good insights. And a sense of humor. However, if he has the power of pacification, why does he not use it on the Chinese leaders -- who upon pacification will grant and celebrate autonomy, if not freedom, to/for Tibet? Why does he go for small fish like Ekland. Why doesn't he at least pacify Vaj via transmission and root out his anger? From my own experiences, a teacher's spiritual transmission isn't necessarily universally received. I think a person has to have some degree of attunement with the teacher for that subtle connection to be made. In my own experience with Waking Down, I didn't connect with Saniel Bonder the way I did with Pascal Salesses. And, I have none of the woo-woo experiences that some people have when getting a hug from Ammachi.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Balm of Enlightened-Mind
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@... wrote: From my own experiences, a teacher's spiritual transmission isn't necessarily universally received. If it even exists. There are perfectly viable theories that explain the *perception* of having received a transmission without there ever having been one. Mood-making is one. :-) The placebo effect, especially when jumpstarted with having paid a lot of money to be in the proximity of the person giving the transmission is another. However, the theory that I like the best is called recognition. Each of us contains ALL of the attributes of any spiritual teacher we could ever meet. The only real difference between us and them is that they might be aware of or utilizing or accessing more of those attributes, and in us they are latent, unaccessed. So when you are in the presence of a spiritual teacher who resonates with you (or even thinking about them from afar), the part of you that is latent but ready to wake up and become active sees its *counterpart* in the spiritual teacher. The phrase for this phenomenon is Recognition is liberation. If you think about it, it explains the experience of the person Vaj has been talking about. His latent attributes of ahimsa and compassion were ready to be awakened. Put him in the presence of a teacher whose life has been a veritable showcase of ahimsa and compassion, and those parts of him *recognize* themselves in the Dalai Lama, and awaken in him. No transmission necessary. But both the *effect* and the subjective *perception* are that one has taken place. I think a person has to have some degree of attunement with the teacher for that subtle connection to be made. In my own experience with Waking Down, I didn't connect with Saniel Bonder the way I did with Pascal Salesses. And, I have none of the woo-woo experiences that some people have when getting a hug from Ammachi. One of the reasons I like the recognition theory is that it explains experiences such as Alex is talking about above. I have had similar experiences. I've been very close to teachers whom some here think were hot shit, aura-wise or darshan-wise or transmission-wise, and nada. On the other hand, I've been around other teachers with whom I felt an instantaneous rapport, and afterwards felt very much as if something in me had been awakened as a result of meeting them. The recognition theory explains this in that not every teacher one meets is aware of or accessing the attribute or quality that is ready to wake up at the time you meet them. But some are. So you tend to get something from being in presence of those who are accessing the attribute or quality you are ready for and thus receptive to, and feel something from them, both while you're with them and afterwards. With other teachers, this does not happen, but very possibly because they aren't aware of or accessing a latent attribute or quality that is currently within your reach. So you feel little. Either that or it's all mood-making and the placebo theory. I am content with any of the three theories. None is any better to me, because the bottom line is that sometimes seeing a spiritual teacher works to awaken something in you. HOW this happens doesn't matter at all to me, only THAT it happens. And if it happens only as a result of moodmaking or the placebo effect, that's just fine with me. And the recognition theory is just fine with me. I'm just not as big a fan of the darshan-transmission theory as some, because for me that's an extension of the Beam me up Scotty theory of liberation.
[FairfieldLife] My Theory, Which Is Mine (was Re: Emotional Masturbation)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii_99@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip Sure, but isn't the intellect (the working mind, not the abstraction) exactly what inhibits getting to the reference-free state? I don't believe it's the intellect your speaking of? It's the ego, that keeps one from a reference free state. The ego becomes our reference point, and that is what needs transcendence...The intellect just notices this or that...it jumps to see what is the choice between this or that. Well, see my response to grate.swan. It's the situation in which the intellect is perceived as, or perceives itself to be, supreme that gets in the way. My view doesn't have anything to do with the intellect feels or perceives itself as supreme. First I don't even think that's possible -- a feeling of superiority would be ego identifying with intellect as in I am the intellect and I am supreme The intellect never does, and can't say this. It just computes. What the intellect can do, along with memory intuition etc, is break boundaries. i don't take my definitions from the TMO -- they have a catechism that may have some value, but is far from comprehensive. The intellect does not just discriminate Thats TM speak -- not reality, IMO. The intellect can draw powerful conclusions that defy what we perceive and the conceptual frameworks within which we view the world. That's far more than discrimination. For example, the intellect (or the work of others using their intellect) applied to data from observation can figure out for example that the earth revolves around the sun, and not vice versa. Thats not not simply discrimination. Its a whole lot more. And I don't suggest intellect takes to to all realizations. But it's findings can take you to the door that opens up new possibilities. The intellect may provide the conclusion that what I see, via my projection of my qualities onto everything I perceive mans that I perceive only a limited distorted piece of reality. This conclusion may lead me to find things that will purify the light that I shine on the world -- the light that enables my perception of it. At that point the intellect can rest for a while -- while the rest of the crew searches for something to whiten up the light. I'm not sure how the concept of ego fits into the concept of the mistake of the intellect; I'm not sure the ego can be said to be separate from the intellect, but that may be one way to put it. My view is that the ego is not a thing that exists, in and of itself. Its not an entity. Its smoke and mirrors. A mirage. Its real only to the extent that we don't understand, and see clearly, that its just smoke and mirrors. When none sees that, and the intellect can help immensely in that, then the ego (as I view the term) drops away. Ego is not the same as self-esteem. One can view ones output, performance, skills, attributes, and if these are consistent with ones values, then there is a sense of self-esteem in a broad sens as in all is good. Self-esteem has nothing to do, in my sense of it, with feeling smug, or superior. Its a love for qualities one has found to be ther, and have been refined to a degree to work well. In that sense, self-esteem is like feeling competent. I can do this well. And if one cannot first feel self-esteem, one cannot feel esteem for the world. Love thy neighbor as thy self to me means ones love the good qualities they find arising in themselves, and loves those same qualities on others. what defines a good quality is ones values. And true, strong values come from the intellect. The ego dissolves when the mind experiences pure consciousness, beyond ego The ego can dissolve long before that. When the bliss of being is established in awareness, then the intellect becomes aligned with being, instead of the limited take of the ego... When are things not aligned with being? That would make them non-being. When is something not being. That is an example of how we can get so caught up in the TM catechism, we see that as reality -- and parrot things that are silly when intellect bears down on them a bit. Yes, that's my understanding of what happens once enlightenment has been realized. Of course, all this analysis is being done *by* the intellect, so perhaps we shouldn't put all that much stock in it anyway! The ego begins to change it's identification, and begins to identify with being, beyond individual mind, emotion and intellect... When intellect experiences: Sat Chit Ananda, then it becomes aligned with 'Absolute Bliss Consciousness... R.G.
[FairfieldLife] Obama the Stand up comic at White House Correspondent's Dinner
President Obama, playing the comic-in-chief, had the celebrity-packed crowd at the White House Correspondents' dinner rolling out of their seats Saturday night as he skewered Republicans, and much, much more... Some really hilarious stuff! Watch Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YB1olxLwBWIfeature=related Part II: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEtOT1IpjTwfeature=related
[FairfieldLife] My Theory, Which Is Mine (was Re: Emotional Masturbation)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan no_reply@ wrote: Different from our perception, but logically reasonable and plausible. From that, I think is a crack in the cage by which the astute may wiggle free. (Which counters the notion prevalent is some new age and neo- advaita groups that the intellect is the problem, the enemy.) Well, but isn't that because the intellect, having realized that others have their own perspectives, are I see your point. However, my thought, perhaps weakly conveyed, is that if we can get to a reference free, or bias-free state -- where the light -- so to speak is white or clear -- comprehensive of all spectrums, not colored by a limited spectrum, then we see what actually is -- not just the color of the limited spectrum (of our individuality). Sure, but isn't the intellect (the working mind, not the abstraction) exactly what inhibits getting to the reference-free state? snip As may be obvious, I am a fan of intellect and see it as a tool not something to shun or push out the door. I don't think there is a fundamental mistake of the intellect. I'm a big fan of the intellect as well, but I find the concept of the mistake of the intellect, as I understand MMY's definition of it, compelling. The intellect's function is to discriminate between this and that, to make distinctions, to draw boundaries, which is essential for life in the relative. Ah, but outside of the TMO catechism, the intellect is far more than that. But enlightenment is the realization of no boundaries, of unity. If you premise enlightenment as a thing, and a goal. I am more interested in Truth than Enlightenment -- though if such as thing as enlightenment exists and has value, it should a vehicle for realizing Truth. (And yes, Truth is a very nebulous word -- but surely less so than Enlightenment. The intellect is helpless to encompass unity, but it doesn't want to admit that, so it keeps trying to reduce enlightenment to something it can deal with. An intellect not wanting to admit things, that is it knows something is true bu won't admit it?! That's not what my intellect is about. This can get in the way of experiential realization. The intellect needs to siddown and shaddup long enough for the realization to take place and become established. As in adjacent post, I don't see the intellect as being useful all of the time. In the (somewhat silly) directive -- Plan your work and then work your plan. The intellect plans the work, it figures out actions to take to fulfill ones values. An it also helps sames our values. But after that, the work your plan part, the intellect is not much involved. Intellect can say -- go to door #2 -- but has little to do with opening the door and walking in and obtaining/ realizing that which i behind the door.. Once that occurs, the intellect can come back in the picture, but as a tool rather than what runs things. My intellect doesn't run things. An it can't even think in those terms. It does its job. Like a high priced consultant. That's a *very* crude explanation. It's not that one has to be stupid to attain enlightenment, Damn, and I thought I had an edge. just that the intellect can be helpful only up to a point. In any action/attainment/realization, the intellect is helpful only up to a point. As a sort of parallel, in meditation (TM), the intellect makes the distinction between the thought of the mantra and other thoughts, but in order to experience transcendental consciousness, the intellect has to let go of all thoughts, all distinctions. That's the sense, I think, in which the intellect can be viewed as the enemy. Then, Love thy enemy I guess. However, I never view the intellect as enemy. I don't see it involved in the activities that you feel are enemy-worthy. As I view it today, the mistake is caused by darkness -- seeing things in dim light -- and projecting what light we have in a limited spectrum. Crank up the amps on the light, and purify it towards white light -- and that which is becomes clearer. Not sure how or whether what I said above fits into the scheme of things as you see it... Everyone works on their own conceptions and frameworks and apply them as long as they are useful. One framework, like size, does not fit all.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Meditator Status
FFL Meditators . Of the top ten writers, are they meditators? How many of the top 10 FFL writers could put 'yes' as meditator next to their name? Current practicing meditators, like meditated yesterday and will meditate today sometime. Are these writers, all meditators? Of some kind? Like, current practicing meditators? Yes, some of these folks evidently are, in FFL public admissions of recent times. Any others than these? `Yes' = meditators Fairfield Life Post Counter, Meditator Status: 50 authfriend jstein@ `Yes' 50 TurquoiseB no_re...@yahoogroups.com `Yes' 45 Vaj vajradhatu@ 44 nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com 32 grate.swan no_re...@yahoogroups.com Yes 31 Bhairitu noozguru@ 29 sparaig LEnglish5@ 27 ruthsimplicity no_re...@yahoogroups.com 27 Richard J. Williams willytex@ 22 off_world_beings no_re...@yahoogroups.com `Yes' 22 dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ 21 enlightened_dawn11 no_re...@yahoogroups.com `Yes' 20 Rick Archer rick@ 20 Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com 18 do.rflex do.rflex@ 17 bob_brigante no_re...@yahoogroups.com 16 Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ `Yes' 15 BillyG. wgm4u@ 13 Richard M compost1uk@ 12 shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ 10 satvadude108 no_re...@yahoogroups.com `Yes' 10 raunchydog raunchydog@ 10 lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ 9 cardemaister no_re...@yahoogroups.com 8 WLeed3@ 8 Nelson nelsonriddle2001@ 7 geezerfreak geezerfreak@ 3 drpetersutphen drpetersutphen@ 3 William108 william108wm@ 3 Dick Richardson somerset_2@ 3 Dick Mays dickmays@ 3 Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ 2 sgrayatlarge no_re...@yahoogroups.com 2 scienceofabundance no_re...@yahoogroups.com 2 beno beno mynameisbeno@ 2 Tom azgrey@ 2 Marek Reavis reavismarek@ 2 Hugo richardhughes103@ 1 uns_tressor uns_tressor@ 1 tkrystofiak krysto@ 1 pranamoocher bhrma@ 1 nelson lafrancis nelsonriddle2001@ 1 metoostill metoostill@ 1 Peter drpetersutphen@ 1 Paul Mason premanandpaul@ 1 Patrick Gillam jpgillam@ 1 Mike Doughney mike@ 1 Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ 1 Joe Smith msilver1951@ 1 Barbara Thomas barbara_thomas73@ 1 min.pige min.pige@ Posters: 51 1 shukra69 shukra69@ 1 sanosh2002 sanosh2002@ 1 Zoran Krneta krneta.zoran@ 1 John jr_esq@
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Balm of Enlightened-Mind
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: From my own experiences, a teacher's spiritual transmission isn't necessarily universally received. If it even exists. There are perfectly viable theories that explain the *perception* of having received a transmission without there ever having been one. Mood-making is one. :-) The placebo effect, especially when jumpstarted with having paid a lot of money to be in the proximity of the person giving the transmission is another. However, the theory that I like the best is called recognition. I use the term transmission because it is common spiritual vernacular. I've been in total agreement with your recognition theory of darshan since I first read it back in 2005: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/55423
[FairfieldLife] Becoming enlightened, or Becoming enlightenment?
Which phrase do you prefer? Most people prefer the former. And the reason is that the thing doing the preferring is the ego. It wants to become enlightened, but without losing itself (its self). But it's possible that things don't work that way. I've worked with spiritual teachers who were very, very precise with the language they used to talk about enlightenment. Some would never in a million years use the phrase to become enlightened because that -- to them -- would be imprecise and worse, misleading. To use that phrase reinforces the ego's desire to hold onto itself (its self) and allows it to think it can do that and still become enlightened. Such teachers tend to prefer the term realize enlightenment, because that phrase -- to them -- is more accurate, and better, not misleading at all. In their view, there is nothing to become. We are all already enlightened. What is missing is the realization of that enlight- enment. When that realization dawns, a sub- realization is that it has always already been present. Other teachers I've worked with used a more curious phrase, becoming enlightenment. They liked that phrase because -- to them -- it reinforced the idea that you -- the ego -- can never become enlightened. But you CAN become enlightenment. You just can't take the ego with you. Or at least not in the sense you think of it now. So which would you prefer? Being able to be yourself (or your self) as you know it and are comfortable with it right now and have enlightenment added to it? Or leaving yourself (or your self) as you know it and are comfortable with it behind forever, losing it for all eternity, and becoming something else -- enlightenment? In the view of some teachers who are a tad nitpicky about language, your answer to that question may possibly determine your spiritual future, and whether enlightenment is going to be a part of it.
[FairfieldLife] My Theory, Which Is Mine (was Re: Emotional Masturbation)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii_99@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip Sure, but isn't the intellect (the working mind, not the abstraction) exactly what inhibits getting to the reference-free state? I don't believe it's the intellect your speaking of? It's the ego, that keeps one from a reference free state. The ego becomes our reference point, and that is what needs transcendence...The intellect just notices this or that...it jumps to see what is the choice between this or that. Well, see my response to grate.swan. It's the situation in which the intellect is perceived as, or perceives itself to be, supreme that gets in the way. My view doesn't have anything to do with the intellect feels or perceives itself as supreme. First I don't even think that's possible -- a feeling of superiority would be ego identifying with intellect as in I am the intellect and I am supreme The intellect never does, and can't say this. It just computes. Sure, I'm just anthropomorphizing for the sake of getting my point across. What the intellect can do, along with memory intuition etc, is break boundaries. i don't take my definitions from the TMO -- they have a catechism that may have some value, but is far from comprehensive. The intellect does not just discriminate Thats TM speak -- not reality, IMO. Gee, it's by no means just TM-speak. That the fundamental faculty of the intellect is discrimination is a very widespread concept. In any case, of course it does more than discriminate. But everything it *does* do is based on this fundamental faculty, in the sense that the fundamental faculty of a piano is the mechanism by which the depression of keys causes hammers to strike strings. Without that faculty, there would be no Hungarian Rhapsodies. And I don't suggest intellect takes to to all realizations. But it's findings can take you to the door that opens up new possibilities. Unquestionably. That's why I said in my post to you that it was useful up to a point. The intellect may provide the conclusion that what I see, via my projection of my qualities onto everything I perceive mans that I perceive only a limited distorted piece of reality. This conclusion may lead me to find things that will purify the light that I shine on the world -- the light that enables my perception of it. At that point the intellect can rest for a while Yup. I'd say that it *has* to rest for awhile, though. I'm not sure how the concept of ego fits into the concept of the mistake of the intellect; I'm not sure the ego can be said to be separate from the intellect, but that may be one way to put it. My view is that the ego is not a thing that exists, in and of itself. Its not an entity. Its smoke and mirrors. A mirage. Its real only to the extent that we don't understand, and see clearly, that its just smoke and mirrors. Well, but (to pull a Barry), what is it that does not understand and see clearly? Ego is not the same as self-esteem. Important point. The term is often *used* that way, as Barry did recently to make the claim that debate was just an ego-battle to prove one's own opinion better than another. That would be the self-esteem sense of ego, but there's more to the ego than that. snip When the bliss of being is established in awareness, then the intellect becomes aligned with being, instead of the limited take of the ego... When are things not aligned with being? That would make them non-being. When is something not being. That is an example of how we can get so caught up in the TM catechism, we see that as reality -- and parrot things that are silly when intellect bears down on them a bit. I understood him to mean when the intellect *identifies* with Being, identifies with the Self rather than the self.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Balm of Enlightened-Mind
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: The recognition theory explains this in that not every teacher one meets is aware of or accessing the attribute or quality that is ready to wake up at the time you meet them. But some are. So you tend to get something from being in presence of those who are accessing the attribute or quality you are ready for and thus receptive to, and feel something from them, both while you're with them and afterwards. With other teachers, this does not happen, but very possibly because they aren't aware of or accessing a latent attribute or quality that is currently within your reach. So you feel little. Either that or it's all mood-making and the placebo theory. I am content with any of the three theories. None is any better to me, because the bottom line is that sometimes seeing a spiritual teacher works to awaken something in you. HOW this happens doesn't matter at all to me, only THAT it happens. And if it happens only as a result of moodmaking or the placebo effect, that's just fine with me. And the recognition theory is just fine with me. I'm just not as big a fan of the darshan-transmission theory as some, because for me that's an extension of the Beam me up Scotty theory of liberation. So, either mood-making placebo or your recognition theory is O.K. as long as it works to awaken an undefined something in you but you are not a fan of darshan-transmission. Why split hairs over semantics when you have not defined exactly how these terms differ, and therefore have no basis for comparison or criticism? P.S. Dash of saffron! she cracked wryly Triple-decker drama! Just hold your beef with Veggie Feast! Sandwich Deli Lama
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev - Our happiness or unhappiness is OUR responsibility
Officially the books are not being published until June, but since they have been printed and people have been itchy to get hold of copies I have made some available through my website at http://www.paulmason.info/booksetc.html With regard to over-the-counter sales of the Guru Dev books in Fairfield. Any bookshop will be able stock these Guru Dev books as the books have ISBN numbers and thus can therefore be ordered anywhere in the world. 108 Discourses of Guru Dev: The Life and Teachings of Swami Brahmananda Saraswati, Shankaracharya of Jyotirmath (1941-53) - Volume I ISBN: 978-0-9562228-0-0 The Biography of Guru Dev: The Life and Teachings of Swami Brahmananda Saraswati, Shankaracharya of Jyotirmath (1941-53) - Volume II ISBN: 978-0-9562228-1-7 Guru Dev as presented by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi: The Life and Teachings of Swami Brahmananda Saraswati, Shankaracharya of Jyotirmath (1941-53) - Volume III ISBN: 978-0-9562228-2-4 Jai Guru Dev --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony...@... wrote: Paul, Can these Guru Dev books be made available for purchase at 21st Century Bookstore in Fairfield? Walk in and buy them? -D in FF --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Just a quick word about the posting costs on these books. I have elected to bear the costs, so they are Free of PP. The FREE postage offers savings to all, especially overseas customers, as to send the Guru Dev books to the States costs about £5 per copy, about £15 for the set of 3. International Air Mail costs about £10 per book, £30 per set, as detailed in Royal Mail guide. I just posted some to the States today. http://www.royalmail.com/portal/rm/content1?catId=400036mediaId=400347 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: You asked that I notify when the Guru Dev trilogy is available. I had hoped to be able to also announce the release of the Guru Dev DVD I am preparing, but that will be some weeks yet. However, anyone wanting copies of the books can go to:- http://www.paulmason.info/booksetc.html --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: The three volumes of the Guru Dev trilogy will be available through the following:- http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/upadesh.htm http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/GuruDevLifeStory.htm http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/AKtransrough.htm Paul, please give notice here when these volumes become available. Thanks, Paul.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Balm of Enlightened-Mind
On May 10, 2009, at 8:46 AM, raunchydog wrote: It's about having the appropriate instrument for investigation. If you want to look at the stars, it's fine if you have a nice telescope, but it's not that helpful if you're trying to observe the stars from the back of a moving motorcycle. The mind needs to be similarly stable. In order for the telescope be clear, it needs to be built in a clean room. Similarly the mind as an instrument needs to be prepared by the prerequisites of samadhi. Further, if you're going to see clearly, the lenses need to be clean; similarly, attention should be vivid, not lax. Etc. A stable telescope that needs a little Windex so you can see the stars clearly and vividly is a great metaphor for samadhi. It sounds exactly like my TM-Sidhi program on a good day. So is this your answer to GrateSwan, that there is not an appropriate instrument for investigation? No, you missed the point. You need to have a reliable internal instrument in order to decide clearly. In post #218205 http://tinyurl.com/pzncrn GrateSwan asked you to back up your claims for pacification and so far you have offered ancient texts and an analogy. If that is the best proof you can offer for the Dalai Lama's ability to create the pacification effect you have no room to criticize the Maharishi Effect, which if you look at it more closely, and split a few hairs about it, we talking very much about the same thing. Actually (as I've postulated here before) IME TM and the TMSP do not lead to pacification, so no, it is not a valid comparison. Actually Grate falsely assumed I was referring to some landmark scientific study, when I was not referring to any such study. It was just another one of Grate's setting up strawman fallacies: pretend there should have been a landmark study, then whine where is one. If you want external evidence, I'd recommend the book it was quoted from as it's all on the science of overcoming destructive emotions. The only thing you have not yet offered as proof of pacification is the telling of your personal experience from having been with the Dalai Lama. I've told a few gushy stories of my experiences with Maharishi so if you want to gush over the Dalai Lama, I'd love to hear it. Pacify me. As I've said, the post was not intended to provide proof of pacification, but if you're interested in science on the topic, I'd recommend the works of Goleman and Ekman, esp. the book the quote came from since it's chocked full of citations.
[FairfieldLife] My Theory, Which Is Mine (was Re: Emotional Masturbation)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip The intellect's function is to discriminate between this and that, to make distinctions, to draw boundaries, which is essential for life in the relative. Ah, but outside of the TMO catechism, the intellect is far more than that. Obviously I didn't make myself clear. Please see my response to your reply to my response to Robert to clear up a bunch of this stuff.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Meditator Status
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony...@... wrote: FFL Meditators Are these writers, all meditators? Of some kind? Like, current practicing meditators? Yes Doug, daily. Are you planning retributive action towards those insufferable non-meditators? Ya know, to further their evolution and all Was stoning practiced in the Vedic Golden Age or was it more a Abrahamic tradition? Yes, some of these folks evidently are, in FFL public admissions of recent times. Any others than these? `Yes' = meditators Fairfield Life Post Counter, Meditator Status: 50 authfriend jstein@ `Yes' 50 TurquoiseB no_re...@yahoogroups.com `Yes' 45 Vaj vajradhatu@ 44 nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com 32 grate.swan no_re...@yahoogroups.com Yes 31 Bhairitu noozguru@ 29 sparaig LEnglish5@ 27 ruthsimplicity no_re...@yahoogroups.com 27 Richard J. Williams willytex@ 22 off_world_beings no_re...@yahoogroups.com `Yes' 22 dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ 21 enlightened_dawn11 no_re...@yahoogroups.com `Yes' 20 Rick Archer rick@ 20 Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com 18 do.rflex do.rflex@ 17 bob_brigante no_re...@yahoogroups.com 16 Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ `Yes' 15 BillyG. wgm4u@ 13 Richard M compost1uk@ 12 shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ 10 satvadude108 no_re...@yahoogroups.com `Yes' 10 raunchydog raunchydog@ 10 lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ 9 cardemaister no_re...@yahoogroups.com 8 WLeed3@ 8 Nelson nelsonriddle2001@ 7 geezerfreak geezerfreak@ 3 drpetersutphen drpetersutphen@ 3 William108 william108wm@ 3 Dick Richardson somerset_2@ 3 Dick Mays dickmays@ 3 Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ 2 sgrayatlarge no_re...@yahoogroups.com 2 scienceofabundance no_re...@yahoogroups.com 2 beno beno mynameisbeno@ 2 Tom azgrey@ 2 Marek Reavis reavismarek@ 2 Hugo richardhughes103@ 1 uns_tressor uns_tressor@ 1 tkrystofiak krysto@ 1 pranamoocher bhrma@ 1 nelson lafrancis nelsonriddle2001@ 1 metoostill metoostill@ 1 Peter drpetersutphen@ 1 Paul Mason premanandpaul@ 1 Patrick Gillam jpgillam@ 1 Mike Doughney mike@ 1 Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ 1 Joe Smith msilver1951@ 1 Barbara Thomas barbara_thomas73@ 1 min.pige min.pige@ Posters: 51 1 shukra69 shukra69@ 1 sanosh2002 sanosh2002@ 1 Zoran Krneta krneta.zoran@ 1 John jr_esq@ Om, just wondering about some of the integrity of what folks are writing here by whether they actually do currently employ a meditation as a spiritual practice in their life. -D --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Are you carrying on a conversation with yourself, Doug? Yes, meditation is part of my tantric sadhana. It is an advanced form using a powerful guru mantra. dhamiltony2k5 wrote: Are these writers, all meditators? Of some kind? Like, current practicing meditators? Fairfield Life Post Counter === Start Date (UTC): Sat May 02 00:00:00 2009 End Date (UTC): Sat May 09 00:00:00 2009 575 messages as of (UTC) Fri May 08 00:07:36 2009
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Balm of Enlightened-Mind
On May 10, 2009, at 10:09 AM, Alex Stanley wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan no_re...@... wrote: I like the DL (did I spell it right?). He is a sweet gentle man, and appears to have good insights. And a sense of humor. However, if he has the power of pacification, why does he not use it on the Chinese leaders -- who upon pacification will grant and celebrate autonomy, if not freedom, to/for Tibet? Why does he go for small fish like Ekland. Why doesn't he at least pacify Vaj via transmission and root out his anger? From my own experiences, a teacher's spiritual transmission isn't necessarily universally received. I think a person has to have some degree of attunement with the teacher for that subtle connection to be made. In my own experience with Waking Down, I didn't connect with Saniel Bonder the way I did with Pascal Salesses. And, I have none of the woo-woo experiences that some people have when getting a hug from Ammachi. I initially experienced nada from Ammachi, until I had the recognition that she was at the level of shakti. Instantly on that recognition, there was an acknowledgment from her, which was interesting that the recognition seemed reciprocal.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Quotes by Paul McCartney and Ring Starr etc. about TM + MMY at the Concert
. May you spread it everywhere !!! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote: Mother of Pearls forever ! Thank you for posting this !! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ve-da@ wrote: . They are all for TM and Maharishi!!! - Leonard, a TM-teacher from Geneva, has colleted the quotes reacently made by the STARS at the N.Y-Concert (Paul McCartney und Ring Starr etc.) Maybe you didn't know them yet. Enjoy ... Dear Friends, The evening at Radio City Music Hall in New York was AMAZING. (...) Below I collected some of the quotes of the concertâ#65533;#65533;s stars in support of TM and of the David Lynch Foundation. And at the end you will find 3 links to songs by Sheryl Crow, Donovan, Paul McCartney... There are many more on Youtube. Jai Guru Dev Leonard Celebrities support TM in schools David Lynch Foundation benefit concert in New York, April 4, 2009 (excerpts) Sir Paul McCartney Putting [TM] into schools is a fabulous idea, because itâ#65533;#65533;s all very well to talk about it, but when you actually put it in the mainstream this is what people need, they donâ#65533;#65533;t need high-minded talk, so much as results. So for you to be able to say, the kids love it, the kids in the West bank love it, the kids in Brazil love it and youâ#65533;#65533;re actually getting results... Thatâ#65533;#65533;s what I love about what weâ#65533;#65533;re involved in right now, why Iâ#65533;#65533;m so happy to do the concert, itâ#65533;#65533;s so inspiring. In moments of madness, meditation has helped me find moments of serenity â#65533; and I would like to think that it would help provide young people a quiet haven in a not-so-quiet world. It was a great gift that Maharishi gave us. For me it came at a time when we were looking for something to stabilize us towards the end of the crazy sixties. Itâ#65533;#65533;s a lifelong gift, something you can call on at any time. Ringo Starr It gives me great pleasure to be part of this evening. I feel the aims of this charity are wonderful ! Over forty years ago, we ended up in Rishikkesh with Maharishi. Since then, sometimes a lot and sometimes a little, I have meditated. My mantra is a gift Maharishi gave me, something I could use and something no one could take away. Itâ#65533;#65533;s one of the few things I was ever given that means so much to me. Mike Love (Beach Boys) The David Lynch Foundationâ#65533;#65533;s goal to teach a million children meditation will be like a million steps in the direction of world peace. Donovan How great to be playing with Paul, Ringo and Paul Horn again â#65533; as we did in India in 1968. And now we see the amazing results of our work from 40 years ago to bring meditation to the whole world. Itâ#65533;#65533;s the same message today, which is â#65533;#65533;Change begins withinâ#65533;#65533;. Paul Horn Iâ#65533;#65533;ve been meditating since 1966. In this age, so full of stress, young people gain the experience of the quietness and peace which lie within. This is then carried with them throughout the day, bringing a sense of greater joy, creativity, fulfillment. Sheryl Crow This event to me is one of the most important events to happen at this moment in history. Our kids are living with this chaos, this stress... The message that should be sent all around the world is that all of us on this planet can talk about peace, but peace begins within all of us... This is the right thing to do, this is what should be in the school system, but also should be part of our daily lives, throughout. Moby One of the things that impressed me so much about TM was its simplicity. Itâ#65533;#65533;s not ideologically driven, itâ#65533;#65533;s not dogmatic, itâ#65533;#65533;s a simple practice that calms the mind. Bettye LaVette Transcendental Meditation may very well be the thing that is able to help these unfortunate children better cope with the stressful world we live in today. Jerry Seinfeld (Americaâ#65533;#65533;s greatest humorist) I did meditate actually before I came down here, Iâ#65533;#65533;ve been meditating 37 years ! Howard Stern (very famous radio journalist) Iâ#65533;#65533;ve been meditating for 38 years. I say to people, Maharishi was a living saint for what he has done for the world. I am so proud to stand before you tonight and say, somewhere Maharishi is looking at this crowd saying, this is wonderful, this is a fulfillment of desires. Russell Simmons (major U.S. hip-hop producer and
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Balm of Enlightened-Mind
On May 10, 2009, at 10:34 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: If you think about it, it explains the experience of the person Vaj has been talking about. His latent attributes of ahimsa and compassion were ready to be awakened. Put him in the presence of a teacher whose life has been a veritable showcase of ahimsa and compassion, and those parts of him *recognize* themselves in the Dalai Lama, and awaken in him. No transmission necessary. But both the *effect* and the subjective *perception* are that one has taken place. While I can appreciate the use of the word transmission, it does seem the mechanics are more one of recognition, although perhaps recognition-by-sympathetic-vibration, but without vibration or energetic mediation necessarily. The reason I used the words Enlightened-Mind, was because experientially the non-conventional experience of absolute bodhichitta (Enlightened-Mind) is pacifying, to the extent that whole complexes of negativity just go. I've never had any feeling that the transmission of Enlightened-Mind was anything like shaktipat or some energy transmission because none of the teachers that I've experienced emitted the shakti-darshan type of vibe I'm familiar with from so many Hindu teachers. And this seems to be something others look for. But unfortunately I think what's going on isn't necessarily energetic. In fact often it's only when one moves oneself, shifts oneself in some way that unknowingly the recognition dawns. That's also why in many cases a sense of shock or surprise can facilitate such recognition.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Balm of Enlightened-Mind
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: On May 10, 2009, at 8:46 AM, raunchydog wrote: It's about having the appropriate instrument for investigation. If you want to look at the stars, it's fine if you have a nice telescope, but it's not that helpful if you're trying to observe the stars from the back of a moving motorcycle. The mind needs to be similarly stable. In order for the telescope be clear, it needs to be built in a clean room. Similarly the mind as an instrument needs to be prepared by the prerequisites of samadhi. Further, if you're going to see clearly, the lenses need to be clean; similarly, attention should be vivid, not lax. Etc. A stable telescope that needs a little Windex so you can see the stars clearly and vividly is a great metaphor for samadhi. It sounds exactly like my TM-Sidhi program on a good day. So is this your answer to GrateSwan, that there is not an appropriate instrument for investigation? No, you missed the point. You need to have a reliable internal instrument in order to decide clearly. In post #218205 http://tinyurl.com/pzncrn GrateSwan asked you to back up your claims for pacification and so far you have offered ancient texts and an analogy. If that is the best proof you can offer for the Dalai Lama's ability to create the pacification effect you have no room to criticize the Maharishi Effect, which if you look at it more closely, and split a few hairs about it, we talking very much about the same thing. Actually (as I've postulated here before) IME TM and the TMSP do not lead to pacification, so no, it is not a valid comparison. Actually Grate falsely assumed I was referring to some landmark scientific study, when I was not referring to any such study. It was just another one of Grate's setting up strawman fallacies: pretend there should have been a landmark study, then whine where is one. Well you view things from your light and interpret things in ways that are meaningful to you. While you may see strawmen, only a rope was there (from my side). The rope, being what I read, that this phenomenon had been replicated many times. Yes? If so, if replicated pre-science, then if something this powerful has been replicated many times in the past, why would not the scientific community jump on this and research the bejesus out of it? It would put any number of ambitious scientists and/or grad students on the map. A landmark study in the history of science. Mental/spiritual transmission of great power. What could be a grander finding than that. So I was surprised that, apparently, the scientists are not busting down the door to do such research. I assume because they got to step one -- preliminary screening -- and dropped it then as not worthy of more effort and inquiry. Now some could claim grand conspiracy theories -- that the Big Corporations don't want these secrets revealed. That they killed it. Wont' fund it. Ha! Good one. A preliminary study, to establish that this phenomenon is worthy of more extensive studies, would be well within 1000's of research center budgets. But apparently its not worthy. Other things are far more plausible, far more replicable, far more lined up to establish that A causes B. But i was giving you the benefit of the doubt. If this balm is such a great thing, and so replicable, it surely must have scientific research I thought. Actually, part of me was skeptical, but being compassionate, having felt the DL's goodness, I benevolently gave you the benefit of the doubt. I see now that was not warranted. That this is another, undocumented, fluffy new-age claim worthy of the dustbin. If you want external evidence, I'd recommend the book it was quoted from as it's all on the science of overcoming destructive emotions. The only thing you have not yet offered as proof of pacification is the telling of your personal experience from having been with the Dalai Lama. I've told a few gushy stories of my experiences with Maharishi so if you want to gush over the Dalai Lama, I'd love to hear it. Pacify me. As I've said, the post was not intended to provide proof of pacification, but if you're interested in science on the topic, I'd recommend the works of Goleman and Ekman, esp. the book the quote came from since it's chocked full of citations.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Balm of Enlightened-Mind
On May 10, 2009, at 8:22 AM, grate.swan wrote: I like the DL (did I spell it right?). He is a sweet gentle man, and appears to have good insights. And a sense of humor. However, if he has the power of pacification, why does he not use it on the Chinese leaders -- who upon pacification will grant and celebrate autonomy, if not freedom, to/for Tibet? It doesn't work on Commies. Why does he go for small fish like Ekland. Why doesn't he at least pacify Vaj via transmission and root out his anger? Vaj is a Commie. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Quotes by Paul McCartney and Ring Starr etc. about TM + MMY at the Concert
not only are these people that advocate TM stars as was indicated, but they are highly successful, and widely admired, something that far eclipses any of the TM critics here, or elsewhere. its easy to be a critic. all you have to do is set your self-important sights on something highly successful and begin proclaiming that YOU don't like it, and that those who like it are all inferior to YOU. talk about putting the small self in charge... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: Let me get this straight. Back in 1967, a bunch of people decided that because STARS ( emphasis not mine ) who were essentially dope-smoking, drug-taking, groupie-screwing rock musicians said that something was cool, they should believe this completely. If the STARS said it, it was cool. They set the standard for believability.
[FairfieldLife] Wanda Sykes rips at the White House Correspondent's Dinner
Youch! Comedienne Wanda Sykes threw some intense cutting zingers that are sure to raise the hackles of a few in the right wing crowd. Watch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmyRog2w4DIfeature=related
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Balm of Enlightened-Mind
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: In fact often it's only when one moves oneself, shifts oneself in some way that unknowingly the recognition dawns. That's also why in many cases a sense of shock or surprise can facilitate such recognition. I think the mechanics Maharishi presented about the picture of SBS in puja is similar. He said, candidly, we are not invoking SBS, he is not of form, only formlessness exists. But seeing a picture of one who walked and talked in fully integrated state, form and formless, that picture then is a tool to help see those qualities in ourselves. (Wrods may be different, but that is my takeaway) Surely that's not limited to SBS. Put your awareness on any saint, and the thing happens. Put your attention on Jesus, Buddha, or Krishna, and the thing happens. Interestingly, Formless, with a slight overlay of Form -- the particular qualities more expressed by that person. Darschan from live people, in form, Mother Meera, Ammachi, SriSri, and all, do not require physical presence. Being with them may help establish confidence in you that something happens. But the darschan dis not limited to physical proximity. Its totally wireless. Take it anywhere. Even a flower can give you darschan. The infinity and depth of structure of nature is within the flower as it is within you. Simply synch up to that, and the beauty of the flower becomes lively within you. (I just noticed flow is the foundation of flower. The essence of th flow, its inherent infinity and depth of the structure of nature, flows to you from the flower, when you put receptive, synching attention on it. ) But I have not scientific studies on this -- simply because what A causes in B is not a clear tangible thing to measure -- in contrast to highly measurable things like no outburst of anger in one year, after a history or weekly outbursts for 10 years. However, some change in function might be measurable as your whole insides light up from such darschan.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Balm of Enlightened-Mind
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote: On May 10, 2009, at 8:22 AM, grate.swan wrote: I like the DL (did I spell it right?). He is a sweet gentle man, and appears to have good insights. And a sense of humor. However, if he has the power of pacification, why does he not use it on the Chinese leaders -- who upon pacification will grant and celebrate autonomy, if not freedom, to/for Tibet? It doesn't work on Commies. Why does he go for small fish like Ekland. Why doesn't he at least pacify Vaj via transmission and root out his anger? Vaj is a Commie. Sal Ah, sometimes the obvious is right in front of you and you miss it. Doh! Thank you Sal.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Balm of Enlightened-Mind
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: Deli Lama: A sandwich. A...very good, Grasshopper. Now, to see whether you have learned enough to leave the monastery, does the sandwich contain meat or not? Dash of saffron! she cracked wryly Triple-decker drama! Just hold your beef with Veggie Feast! Sandwich Deli Lama I figured you wouldn't know. Most Tibetans are not strict vegetarians, and neither is the Dalai Lama. Think of where their country is and its altitude. If they ate only veggies, there would be nothing to eat nine months of the year. When you can crack a book to learn some- thing about spiritual traditions other than TM, Grasshopper, *then* you will be ready to leave the monastery. Until then, I suggest you stay hidden away in the ashram...you're not ready for the larger world. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Balm of Enlightened-Mind
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: I initially experienced nada from Ammachi, until I had the recognition that she was at the level of shakti. Instantly on that recognition, there was an acknowledgment from her, which was interesting that the recognition seemed reciprocal. This all seems a little vague. Not sure what she was at the level of shakti means. It sounds like you are saying that this recognition from you ocurred at a distance, and her acknkoweledgement ocurred at a distance. So, this was a rather subtle type communication. I buy into this kind of thing, but was wondering if I have it straight.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Balm of Enlightened-Mind
and the DL is a putz. a nice enough guy, but sort of the nerd of spiritual teachers-- talks in very obtuse language, not terribly effective, and has managed to make a name for himself only because outsiders have taken over his medieval oligarchy, while he was unable to do anything about it. sort of the principle that there is no such thing as bad publicity... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote: On May 10, 2009, at 8:22 AM, grate.swan wrote: I like the DL (did I spell it right?). He is a sweet gentle man, and appears to have good insights. And a sense of humor. However, if he has the power of pacification, why does he not use it on the Chinese leaders -- who upon pacification will grant and celebrate autonomy, if not freedom, to/for Tibet? It doesn't work on Commies. Why does he go for small fish like Ekland. Why doesn't he at least pacify Vaj via transmission and root out his anger? Vaj is a Commie. Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Balm of Enlightened-Mind
On May 10, 2009, at 12:15 PM, grate.swan wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: In fact often it's only when one moves oneself, shifts oneself in some way that unknowingly the recognition dawns. That's also why in many cases a sense of shock or surprise can facilitate such recognition. I think the mechanics Maharishi presented about the picture of SBS in puja is similar. He said, candidly, we are not invoking SBS, he is not of form, only formlessness exists. But seeing a picture of one who walked and talked in fully integrated state, form and formless, that picture then is a tool to help see those qualities in ourselves. (Wrods may be different, but that is my takeaway) Surely that's not limited to SBS. Put your awareness on any saint, and the thing happens. Put your attention on Jesus, Buddha, or Krishna, and the thing happens. Interestingly, Formless, with a slight overlay of Form -- the particular qualities more expressed by that person. Darschan from live people, in form, Mother Meera, Ammachi, SriSri, and all, do not require physical presence. Being with them may help establish confidence in you that something happens. But the darschan dis not limited to physical proximity. Its totally wireless. Take it anywhere. Even a flower can give you darschan. The infinity and depth of structure of nature is within the flower as it is within you. Simply synch up to that, and the beauty of the flower becomes lively within you. (I just noticed flow is the foundation of flower. The essence of th flow, its inherent infinity and depth of the structure of nature, flows to you from the flower, when you put receptive, synching attention on it. ) But I have not scientific studies on this -- simply because what A causes in B is not a clear tangible thing to measure -- in contrast to highly measurable things like no outburst of anger in one year, after a history or weekly outbursts for 10 years. However, some change in function might be measurable as your whole insides light up from such darschan. I wouldn't confuse shakti darshan effects, like you're describing, with the transmitted recognition of enlightened mind which can lead to pacification (Skt.: prashanti). These are different phenomenon.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Wanda Sykes rips at the White House Correspondent's Dinner
I thought some of it was a little funny. But I think she is going to be perceived as being pretty crude. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: Youch! Comedienne Wanda Sykes threw some intense cutting zingers that are sure to raise the hackles of a few in the right wing crowd. Watch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmyRog2w4DIfeature=related
[FairfieldLife] You're on the road to enlightenment..
You're on the road to enlightenment when you stop aggravating about getting there. ;-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Balm of Enlightened-Mind
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: On May 10, 2009, at 12:15 PM, grate.swan wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: In fact often it's only when one moves oneself, shifts oneself in some way that unknowingly the recognition dawns. That's also why in many cases a sense of shock or surprise can facilitate such recognition. I think the mechanics Maharishi presented about the picture of SBS in puja is similar. He said, candidly, we are not invoking SBS, he is not of form, only formlessness exists. But seeing a picture of one who walked and talked in fully integrated state, form and formless, that picture then is a tool to help see those qualities in ourselves. (Wrods may be different, but that is my takeaway) Surely that's not limited to SBS. Put your awareness on any saint, and the thing happens. Put your attention on Jesus, Buddha, or Krishna, and the thing happens. Interestingly, Formless, with a slight overlay of Form -- the particular qualities more expressed by that person. Darschan from live people, in form, Mother Meera, Ammachi, SriSri, and all, do not require physical presence. Being with them may help establish confidence in you that something happens. But the darschan dis not limited to physical proximity. Its totally wireless. Take it anywhere. Even a flower can give you darschan. The infinity and depth of structure of nature is within the flower as it is within you. Simply synch up to that, and the beauty of the flower becomes lively within you. (I just noticed flow is the foundation of flower. The essence of th flow, its inherent infinity and depth of the structure of nature, flows to you from the flower, when you put receptive, synching attention on it. ) But I have not scientific studies on this -- simply because what A causes in B is not a clear tangible thing to measure -- in contrast to highly measurable things like no outburst of anger in one year, after a history or weekly outbursts for 10 years. However, some change in function might be measurable as your whole insides light up from such darschan. I wouldn't confuse shakti darshan effects, like you're describing, with the transmitted recognition of enlightened mind which can lead to pacification (Skt.: prashanti). These are different phenomenon. Perhaps you did not follow. How can the Formless create a shakti effect? The effect which i describe from my own experience is within oneself. My experience is that it is structural, not energetic. Or more accurately, destructural. As in kicking out the jams. Well, no that sounds energetic-- but the point is boundaries disappear -- silently. Boundaries become destructured. Formlessness dominates.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Balm of Enlightened-Mind
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: In fact often it's only when one moves oneself, shifts oneself in some way that unknowingly the recognition dawns. That's also why in many cases a sense of shock or surprise can facilitate such recognition. I think the mechanics Maharishi presented about the picture of SBS in puja is similar. He said, candidly, we are not invoking SBS, he is not of form, only formlessness exists. But seeing a picture of one who walked and talked in fully integrated state, form and formless, that picture then is a tool to help see those qualities in ourselves. (Wrods may be different, but that is my takeaway) Surely that's not limited to SBS. Put your awareness on any saint, and the thing happens. Put your attention on Jesus, Buddha, or Krishna, and the thing happens. Interestingly, Formless, with a slight overlay of Form -- the particular qualities more expressed by that person. Darschan from live people, in form, Mother Meera, Ammachi, SriSri, and all, do not require physical presence. Being with them may help establish confidence in you that something happens. But the darschan dis not limited to physical proximity. Its totally wireless. Take it anywhere. Even a flower can give you darschan. The infinity and depth of structure of nature is within the flower as it is within you. Simply synch up to that, and the beauty of the flower becomes lively within you. (I just noticed flow is the foundation of flower. The essence of th flow, its inherent infinity and depth of the structure of nature, flows to you from the flower, when you put receptive, synching attention on it. ) But I have not scientific studies on this -- simply because what A causes in B is not a clear tangible thing to measure -- in contrast to highly measurable things like no outburst of anger in one year, after a history or weekly outbursts for 10 years. However, some change in function might be measurable as your whole insides light up from such darschan. Excellent post. I experienced darshan from a Dolphin. No kidding. I met a big rubbery mammal living in the blue waters of Bermuda whose captors trained him to swim with humans. His name was Sirius. I think Sirius was just humoring his trainers because it was he, not they who had something valuable to teach. In the presence of his Being, Sirius embodied such joyous living and love that I couldn't help but drink it in. I smiled for days and even now I smile just thinking about Him. Beautiful. http://tinyurl.com/ok9gbg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7PPx7LtGc4
Re: [FairfieldLife] Obama the Stand up comic at White House Correspondent's Dinner
On May 10, 2009, at 9:51 AM, do.rflex wrote: President Obama, playing the comic-in-chief, had the celebrity- packed crowd at the White House Correspondents' dinner rolling out of their seats Saturday night as he skewered Republicans, and much, much more... Some really hilarious stuff! Skewered is right...great find, flex! Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Meditator Status
On May 10, 2009, at 10:35 AM, satvadude108 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony...@... wrote: FFL Meditators Are these writers, all meditators? Of some kind? Like, current practicing meditators? Yes Doug, daily. Are you planning retributive action towards those insufferable non-meditators? Ya know, to further their evolution and all Was stoning practiced in the Vedic Golden Age or was it more a Abrahamic tradition? Doesn't matter, we can always revive it. I must admit I don't get these interrogations Doug attempts to put the list through every now and then. Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Wanda Sykes rips at the White House Correspondent's Dinner
On May 10, 2009, at 11:22 AM, lurkernomore20002000 wrote: I thought some of it was a little funny. But I think she is going to be perceived as being pretty crude. Yeah, much better we should have people getting ripped apart by bombs or life-saving research put out of the reach of millions than have a comic spew a little off-color humor. The nerve. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Wanda Sykes rips at the White House Correspondent's Dinner
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote: On May 10, 2009, at 11:22 AM, lurkernomore20002000 wrote: I thought some of it was a little funny. But I think she is going to be perceived as being pretty crude. Yeah, much better we should have people getting ripped apart by bombs or life-saving research put out of the reach of millions than have a comic spew a little off-color humor. The nerve. Indeed! Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: You're on the road to enlightenment..
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: You're on the road to enlightenment when you stop aggravating about getting there. ;-) Ok I'll play. 60 seconds: Go You are on the road to Enlightenment (YAORE) is when the road disappears YAORE when you disappear. YAORE when the rad and you disappear YAORE when the mileage signs remain the same (even after many miles of travel) -- (as in, you don't get there on a road or by traveling) YAORE when you see a fork in the road and take the one that says Vegas (and this have transcended the structural needs of yamas and niyamas -- and can deal with anything with pure heart and full mind) YAORE when Enlightenment disappears (that is its not a quest, its not a destination, its not an attainment, its not a status symbol, its no ta crown, it does not bestow temperal knowledge) YAORE when even the sex and chick sandwich taste the same. YAORE when the fat lady sings. YAORE when you become most humble and compassionate. YAORE when Gadot sends a note that he is not coming. YAORE when the boulder falls back down to the valley after having pushed it witin 10 feet of the summit and you exlain, Cool! YAORE when you love everyone as your self. (act consistent with that) YAORE when you are happy to be alone for weeks on end. YAORE when you enjoy being a spot in a sea of people YAORE when -- there is no when. YAORE
[FairfieldLife] Re: Wanda Sykes rips at the White House Correspondent's Dinner
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote: On May 10, 2009, at 11:22 AM, lurkernomore20002000 wrote: I thought some of it was a little funny. But I think she is going to be perceived as being pretty crude. Yeah, much better we should have people getting ripped apart by bombs or life-saving research put out of the reach of millions than have a comic spew a little off-color humor. The nerve. Sal I thought she was very funny. A quiet humor. (Only the kidney joke was not so funny -- to me)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Meditator Status
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote: On May 10, 2009, at 10:35 AM, satvadude108 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: FFL Meditators Are these writers, all meditators? Of some kind? Like, current practicing meditators? Yes Doug, daily. Are you planning retributive action towards those insufferable non-meditators? Ya know, to further their evolution and all Was stoning practiced in the Vedic Golden Age or was it more a Abrahamic tradition? Doesn't matter, we can always revive it. I must admit I don't get these interrogations Doug attempts to put the list through every now and then. Sal Doug is a CIA mole working under the covers with TM critics getting the dope on TMers. He runs a protection racket selling stones to TM critics living in glass houses. Fortunately, TMers have excellent missile defense shields impervious to being stoned by pot shots. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Balm of Enlightened-Mind
On May 10, 2009, at 11:55 AM, grate.swan wrote: Actually (as I've postulated here before) IME TM and the TMSP do not lead to pacification, so no, it is not a valid comparison. Actually Grate falsely assumed I was referring to some landmark scientific study, when I was not referring to any such study. It was just another one of Grate's setting up strawman fallacies: pretend there should have been a landmark study, then whine where is one. Well you view things from your light and interpret things in ways that are meaningful to you. While you may see strawmen, only a rope was there (from my side). Well, actually your initial comment-- So what journals has this been published in? Being replicated so many times by reputable scientists, it must have created quite the stir in the scientific community. To be honest, I missed this landmark event in science. What are the cites so that I can educate myself. --raises a question that has no basis in my post. You assume there was a landmark study. The rope, being what I read, that this phenomenon had been replicated many times. Yes? If so, if replicated pre-science, then if something this powerful has been replicated many times in the past, why would not the scientific community jump on this and research the bejesus out of it? It would put any number of ambitious scientists and/or grad students on the map. A landmark study in the history of science. Mental/spiritual transmission of great power. What could be a grander finding than that. They are. But FYI I don't keep a ongoing list of all meditation research by my side wherever I go. IMO the specific question of pacification is better discerned in either the stages of transcendence/ calm-abiding, for which it has a notable subjective experience OR the experience of enlightened-mind where it occurs spontaneously due to sympathetic recognition modulated (it would seem) through attention/ intention. So I was surprised that, apparently, the scientists are not busting down the door to do such research. I assume because they got to step one -- preliminary screening -- and dropped it then as not worthy of more effort and inquiry. The book the quote comes from is all about the beginning of this scientific inquiry. There are already a number of correlations like the immune system which seems to get stronger in people who are pacifying negative emotions (e.g. mindfulness meditators have twice the antibodies to flu, post-vaccine, that non-meditators). Now some could claim grand conspiracy theories -- that the Big Corporations don't want these secrets revealed. That they killed it. Wont' fund it. Ha! Good one. A preliminary study, to establish that this phenomenon is worthy of more extensive studies, would be well within 1000's of research center budgets. But apparently its not worthy. Other things are far more plausible, far more replicable, far more lined up to establish that A causes B. But i was giving you the benefit of the doubt. If this balm is such a great thing, and so replicable, it surely must have scientific research I thought. Actually, part of me was skeptical, but being compassionate, having felt the DL's goodness, I benevolently gave you the benefit of the doubt. I see now that was not warranted. That this is another, undocumented, fluffy new-age claim worthy of the dustbin. Another strawman. Like I said, read Ekman and Goleman if this kinda thing grabs you, but subjective experience is IMO a much finer and more valuable indicator. I think you'd be surprised what's already out there. Ekman's facial coding system which he applied to various yogis and controls is an interesting example. Another interesting area is examining the refractory period after a negative emotion and it's amelioration via meditative expertise.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Wanda Sykes rips at the White House Correspondent's Dinner
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote: On May 10, 2009, at 11:22 AM, lurkernomore20002000 wrote: I thought some of it was a little funny. But I think she is going to be perceived as being pretty crude. Yeah, much better we should have people getting ripped apart by bombs or life-saving research put out of the reach of millions than have a comic spew a little off-color humor. The nerve. Sal I can't help but feel it is better to have a little civility in this type of forum. When you read off color humor by Mark Twain, George Bernard Shaw, Winston Churchill, Dick Gregory, and many others, they are able to deliver their blows in a more subtle, yet devastating manner. All this is going to do is create a moment of controversy, and demonstrate how tasteless some of Obama's supporters can be. You, of course are likely to disagree, but I can't help view these things as to how they are likely to be viewed by the general public, and in general, I think they will be viewed as pretty tasteless. Personally, this humor didn't bother me.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Balm of Enlightened-Mind
On May 10, 2009, at 12:45 PM, grate.swan wrote: I wouldn't confuse shakti darshan effects, like you're describing, with the transmitted recognition of enlightened mind which can lead to pacification (Skt.: prashanti). These are different phenomenon. Perhaps you did not follow. How can the Formless create a shakti effect? It moves. The effect which i describe from my own experience is within oneself. My experience is that it is structural, not energetic. Or more accurately, destructural. As in kicking out the jams. Well, no that sounds energetic-- but the point is boundaries disappear -- silently. Boundaries become destructured. Formlessness dominates.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Wanda Sykes rips at the White House Correspondent's Dinner
grate.swan no_re...@... wrote: I thought she was very funny. A quiet humor. (Only the kidney joke was not so funny -- to me) How about the one, paying teachers more so they wouldn't sleep with their students Whether Obaman laughed at this or not, the shots will juxtopose her comments and his laughing as he did at many of her jokes. The kidney joke and the oxycotin joke about Rush were just kind of tasteless IMO. I'm not saying he doesn't deserve it, but I'm not sure if the moment of skererwing will be worth any possible fallout that may aries. Just sayin.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Meditator Status
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, satvadude108 no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: FFL Meditators Are these writers, all meditators? Of some kind? Like, current practicing meditators? Yes Doug, daily. Om, that's cool. A meditating status does help puts a useful context to some of the criticism that often goes on here. Provides an insight of context. Current meditator, has-been meditator, and non-meditator. Status helps put a different scope on it when someone writes some critical or even hating meditation stuff.Is nice to be able to separate the meditators here from the non-meditators at the git-go. Who is who here. Like of the bottom ten posters infrequent poster here on that list, are any of them practicing meditators? non-meditators?
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Balm of Enlightened-Mind
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote: On May 10, 2009, at 8:22 AM, grate.swan wrote: I like the DL (did I spell it right?). He is a sweet gentle man, and appears to have good insights. And a sense of humor. However, if he has the power of pacification, why does he not use it on the Chinese leaders -- who upon pacification will grant and celebrate autonomy, if not freedom, to/for Tibet? It doesn't work on Commies. Why does he go for small fish like Ekland. Why doesn't he at least pacify Vaj via transmission and root out his anger? Vaj is a Commie. Sal Now *that* clears things up a bit. I wonder of what shade stripe of Commie? A bit leftist leaning Commie? Just a kinda pink Commie? Want the world to be a better place Commie? Generic fellow traveler Commie? Read Lenin and wore a Che t-shirt as an undergrad Commie? Card carrying Commie? Red diaper baby Commie? Valium in the jet contrails but don't take my BluRay player or ever deign to mess with my ego because I'm a true 'ARTIST' and can prove it by never being able to string 3 grammatically correct sentences in a row together but don't tell *ME* about line-breaks cuz I have a powerful guru mantra dog shit stepin' in drivin' my Suburu don't like dog owners hip to the Seattle scene cuz I played with Hendrix and I'm a Jazz musician but make unwatchable unlistenable animated music vids about downtown girls people move away from me when I sit down at Starbuck's Commie? Ahhh, shades.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Balm of Enlightened-Mind
On May 10, 2009, at 1:21 PM, satvadude108 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote: On May 10, 2009, at 8:22 AM, grate.swan wrote: I like the DL (did I spell it right?). He is a sweet gentle man, and appears to have good insights. And a sense of humor. However, if he has the power of pacification, why does he not use it on the Chinese leaders -- who upon pacification will grant and celebrate autonomy, if not freedom, to/for Tibet? It doesn't work on Commies. Why does he go for small fish like Ekland. Why doesn't he at least pacify Vaj via transmission and root out his anger? Vaj is a Commie. Sal Now *that* clears things up a bit. Yes, I knew it would. Don't thank me, it was nothing. I wonder of what shade stripe of Commie? A bit leftist leaning Commie? Just a kinda pink Commie? Want the world to be a better place Commie? Generic fellow traveler Commie? Read Lenin and wore a Che t-shirt as an undergrad Commie? Card carrying Commie? Red diaper baby Commie? Valium in the jet contrails but don't take my BluRay player or ever deign to mess with my ego because I'm a true 'ARTIST' and can prove it by never being able to string 3 grammatically correct sentences in a row together but don't tell *ME* about line-breaks cuz I have a powerful guru mantra dog shit stepin' in drivin' my Suburu don't like dog owners hip to the Seattle scene cuz I played with Hendrix and I'm a Jazz musician but make unwatchable unlistenable animated music vids about downtown girls people move away from me when I sit down at Starbuck's Commie? Ahhh, shades.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Meditator Status
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote:
On May 10, 2009, at 10:35 AM, satvadude108 wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5
dhamiltony2k5@ wrote:
FFL Meditators
Are these writers, all meditators? Of some kind?
Like, current practicing meditators?
Yes Doug, daily.
Are you planning retributive action towards
those insufferable non-meditators?
Ya know, to further their evolution and all
Was stoning practiced in the Vedic Golden
Age or was it more a Abrahamic tradition?
Doesn't matter, we can always revive it.
{reaching down to pick up a nice smooth
stone for Sweet Sunshine Sal so she can go first.
:-) I call second.. :-) :-) :-) }
I must admit I don't get these interrogations
Doug attempts to put the list through every
now and then.
He throws curves in once in a while that keeps
yas guessing as to how much of his tongue is
in cheek. I likes that about him. Yep, I do.
Sal
Thanks for making me laugh today Sal and
Happy Mother's Days to you.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Meditator Status
FFL Meditators . Of the top ten writers, are they meditators? How many of the top 10 FFL writers could put 'yes' as meditator next to their name? Current practicing meditators, like meditated yesterday and will meditate today sometime. Not just `had learned and fallen away'. Not just the `has been' non-meditators now, but currently practice a meditation. Are these writers, all meditators? Of some kind? Like, current practicing meditators? Yes, some of these folks evidently are, in FFL public admissions of recent times. Any others than these? `Yes' = meditators Fairfield Life Post Counter, Meditator Status: 50 authfriend jstein@ `Yes' 50 TurquoiseB no_re...@yahoogroups.com `Yes' 45 Vaj vajradhatu@ 44 nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com 32 grate.swan no_re...@yahoogroups.com Yes 31 Bhairitu noozguru@ 29 sparaig LEnglish5@ 27 ruthsimplicity no_re...@yahoogroups.com 27 Richard J. Williams willytex@ 22 off_world_beings no_re...@yahoogroups.com `Yes' 22 dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ 21 enlightened_dawn11 no_re...@yahoogroups.com `Yes' 20 Rick Archer rick@ 20 Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com 18 do.rflex do.rflex@ 17 bob_brigante no_re...@yahoogroups.com 16 Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ `Yes' 15 BillyG. wgm4u@ 13 Richard M compost1uk@ 12 shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ 'yes' 10 satvadude108 no_re...@yahoogroups.com `Yes' 10 raunchydog raunchydog@ 10 lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ 9 cardemaister no_re...@yahoogroups.com 8 WLeed3@ 8 Nelson nelsonriddle2001@ 7 geezerfreak geezerfreak@ 3 drpetersutphen drpetersutphen@ 3 William108 william108wm@ 3 Dick Richardson somerset_2@ 3 Dick Mays dickmays@ 3 Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ 2 sgrayatlarge no_re...@yahoogroups.com 2 scienceofabundance no_re...@yahoogroups.com 2 beno beno mynameisbeno@ 2 Tom azgrey@ 2 Marek Reavis reavismarek@ 2 Hugo richardhughes103@ 1 uns_tressor uns_tressor@ 1 tkrystofiak krysto@ 1 pranamoocher bhrma@ 1 nelson lafrancis nelsonriddle2001@ 1 metoostill metoostill@ 1 Peter drpetersutphen@ 1 Paul Mason premanandpaul@ 1 Patrick Gillam jpgillam@ 1 Mike Doughney mike@ 1 Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ 1 Joe Smith msilver1951@ 1 Barbara Thomas barbara_thomas73@ 1 min.pige min.pige@ Posters: 51 1 shukra69 shukra69@ 1 sanosh2002 sanosh2002@ 1 Zoran Krneta krneta.zoran@ 1 John jr_esq@
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: You're on the road to enlightenment..
grate.swan wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: You're on the road to enlightenment when you stop aggravating about getting there. ;-) Ok I'll play. 60 seconds: Go You are on the road to Enlightenment (YAORE) is when the road disappears YAORE when you disappear. YAORE when the rad and you disappear YAORE when the mileage signs remain the same (even after many miles of travel) -- (as in, you don't get there on a road or by traveling) YAORE when you see a fork in the road and take the one that says Vegas (and this have transcended the structural needs of yamas and niyamas -- and can deal with anything with pure heart and full mind) YAORE when Enlightenment disappears (that is its not a quest, its not a destination, its not an attainment, its not a status symbol, its no ta crown, it does not bestow temperal knowledge) YAORE when even the sex and chick sandwich taste the same. YAORE when the fat lady sings. YAORE when you become most humble and compassionate. YAORE when Gadot sends a note that he is not coming. YAORE when the boulder falls back down to the valley after having pushed it witin 10 feet of the summit and you exlain, Cool! YAORE when you love everyone as your self. (act consistent with that) YAORE when you are happy to be alone for weeks on end. YAORE when you enjoy being a spot in a sea of people YAORE when -- there is no when. YAORE Cute but some of those things are intellectual quests and not really signposts. Again looking for signposts would be aggravating over it. An enlightened person will notice some of these things in passing but go looking for them. Humility and compassion can express themselves in different ways hence why you can't tell if someone else is actually enlightened (so it is a waste of time on this group). Many of these things you should not strive for but let them happen instead. Ego is often misunderstood and confused with self confidence. And most here probably noticed they were on the road to enlightenment when that experience during meditation showed up in activity hours after they had meditated and yet they weren't just spaced out. And of course the joke ones were funny. ;-)
[FairfieldLife] The Meditator Boxes (was Re: Post Count Meditator Status)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony...@... wrote: Om, that's cool. A meditating status does help puts a useful context to some of the criticism that often goes on here. Provides an insight of context. Current meditator, has-been meditator, and non-meditator. Status helps put a different scope on it when someone writes some critical or even hating meditation stuff. Is nice to be able to separate the meditators here from the non-meditators at the git-go. Who is who here. Doug, It's often difficult to tell when you're doing one of your put-ons and when you're serious and when you think you're doing one of your put-ons but are serious. I'm going to assume that this latest thing is one of the latter. I honestly don't believe that meditator vs. non-meditator proves anything except an elitist bias in the person who might believe it proves something. It's as silly a black/white, either/or set of boxes as any I've ever heard of. Have you ever seen any evidence that long-term meditators are consistently any different than anyone else? I haven't. However, if creating little boxes and putting people in them is your schtick, I think you might do better with boxes *within* the community of TM meditators. I can think of several. I leave it to you to, after you've identified all the meditators, scan the list of them and put each one in the box most suited to them in my scheme of things. I know who my nominees for each box are, but I figure it will be more fun if everyone gets to populate them themselves. It'll be even more fun seeing who gets all uptight for being placed in one of the boxes by me, when I didn't put them there. They did, by getting uptight about it. :-) The Intellect-Challenged. This box is filled with individuals who have demon- strated not only a shocking lack of knowledge about spirituality as a whole but also about TM spirituality. One of the qualities of people in this box is that not only do they rarely read or try to learn new things, they look down on learning new things. They honestly feel that either what they know now is suf- ficient and will be enough for the rest of their lives, or that anything they don't know now will just come to them as a kind of seeing. The fact *that* they see it makes it true. The Intellect-Trapped. This box contains those who are...uh...trapped in their own intellects. Not only that, they are *proud* of being trapped in their intel- lects, and go on and on making excuses for it. You can usually tell these people by 1) a need to defend anything that their intellect believes, 2) a need to defend the intellect itself as good, and 3) an even stronger need to prove that anyone who believes something different than their intellect believes has something wrong with them. Interestingly, whereas The Intellectually-Challenged sometimes display real emotion, The Intellect- Trapped rarely do. It's as if the only emotion they can feel is the kind they jumpstart themselves with an injection of faux bhakti or manufactured outrage. Also, interestingly enough, IMO The Intellectually-Challenged are probably more likely to eventually realize enlight- enment because they're not smart enough to do anything other than what they were told to do. Whereas The Intellect-Trapped constantly invent ways to block the enlightenment process because they're so afraid that it would mean loss of ego and thus loss of intellect. The Intellect- Trapped like to win; if there is no debate or argument going on, they'll provoke one and claim to have won it. The Fearless. The folks in this box aren't really in a box. They got fed up with boxes a while ago and don't have much to do with them any more. They're pretty nice people, and don't see meditation as the center of their lives; instead, they see meditation as merely one of the things they do that helps to center their lives, along with love, family, having fun, and above all being themselves. They almost never argue because unlike the two previous groups they've got nothing to prove. So far, the folks in this group are the only ones you'd want to have a drink with. The Lasher-Outers. The folks in this box look down on and resent anyone who is off the program or, worse, appears to be having fun. The people in the first two boxes do this, too, but what makes this box unique is that the majority of folks in it are lurkers who rarely post *except* to lash out. That's *their* idea of fun. And being on the program. So, I've reacted to Doug's attempt to divide the world into the meditator box and the non-meditator box by creating my own meditator sub-boxes. Now you can file your favorite FFL posters in them. Or invent your own. I'm sure there are many more such meditator sub-boxes, but I'm already bored with the subject. :-) Or you could just lash out. But you know what box that'll put you in... :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Meditator Status
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony...@... wrote: FFL Meditators . Of the top ten writers, are they meditators? How many of the top 10 FFL writers could put 'yes' as meditator next to their name? Current practicing meditators, like meditated yesterday and will meditate today sometime. Not just `had learned and fallen away'. Not just the `has been' non-meditators now, but currently practice a meditation. So Brother Doug, Have you fallen to the view that the path is the goal? And that the path is eternal? Do you ever say Hallelujah --people have walked the long path and arrived at the mountain top, where there are no paths but only freedom and vastness. Hallelujah Hallelujah!! Of course I agree with your implicit views that those who have strayed from the most holy of paths before reaching the summit should be waterboarded, spanked, made to sign and statement of their deep transgresseas against the lord and his people, be forbidden chicken sandwiches or sex for a month, and told in no uncertain terms that it would be best if we make an irrevocable pledge never to stray from the most righteous path of glory and redemption again. Hallelujah! Are these writers, all meditators? Of some kind? Like, current practicing meditators? Yes, some of these folks evidently are, in FFL public admissions of recent times. Any others than these? `Yes' = meditators Fairfield Life Post Counter, Meditator Status: 50 authfriend jstein@ `Yes' 50 TurquoiseB no_re...@yahoogroups.com `Yes' 45 Vaj vajradhatu@ 44 nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com 32 grate.swan no_re...@yahoogroups.com Yes 31 Bhairitu noozguru@ 29 sparaig LEnglish5@ 27 ruthsimplicity no_re...@yahoogroups.com 27 Richard J. Williams willytex@ 22 off_world_beings no_re...@yahoogroups.com `Yes' 22 dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ 21 enlightened_dawn11 no_re...@yahoogroups.com `Yes' 20 Rick Archer rick@ 20 Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com 18 do.rflex do.rflex@ 17 bob_brigante no_re...@yahoogroups.com 16 Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ `Yes' 15 BillyG. wgm4u@ 13 Richard M compost1uk@ 12 shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ 'yes' 10 satvadude108 no_re...@yahoogroups.com `Yes' 10 raunchydog raunchydog@ 10 lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ 9 cardemaister no_re...@yahoogroups.com 8 WLeed3@ 8 Nelson nelsonriddle2001@ 7 geezerfreak geezerfreak@ 3 drpetersutphen drpetersutphen@ 3 William108 william108wm@ 3 Dick Richardson somerset_2@ 3 Dick Mays dickmays@ 3 Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ 2 sgrayatlarge no_re...@yahoogroups.com 2 scienceofabundance no_re...@yahoogroups.com 2 beno beno mynameisbeno@ 2 Tom azgrey@ 2 Marek Reavis reavismarek@ 2 Hugo richardhughes103@ 1 uns_tressor uns_tressor@ 1 tkrystofiak krysto@ 1 pranamoocher bhrma@ 1 nelson lafrancis nelsonriddle2001@ 1 metoostill metoostill@ 1 Peter drpetersutphen@ 1 Paul Mason premanandpaul@ 1 Patrick Gillam jpgillam@ 1 Mike Doughney mike@ 1 Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ 1 Joe Smith msilver1951@ 1 Barbara Thomas barbara_thomas73@ 1 min.pige min.pige@ Posters: 51 1 shukra69 shukra69@ 1 sanosh2002 sanosh2002@ 1 Zoran Krneta krneta.zoran@ 1 John jr_esq@
[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Meditator Status
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On May 10, 2009, at 10:35 AM, satvadude108 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: FFL Meditators Are these writers, all meditators? Of some kind? Like, current practicing meditators? Yes Doug, daily. Are you planning retributive action towards those insufferable non-meditators? Ya know, to further their evolution and all Was stoning practiced in the Vedic Golden Age or was it more a Abrahamic tradition? Doesn't matter, we can always revive it. I must admit I don't get these interrogations Doug attempts to put the list through every now and then. Sal Doug is a CIA mole working under the covers with TM critics getting the dope on TMers. He runs a protection racket selling stones to TM critics living in glass houses. Fortunately, TMers have excellent missile defense shields impervious to being stoned by pot shots. :-) Ya know what I like about yas raunchdog? jeez, that sounded like Randy Jackson on a bad episode of American Idol...sigh I like it that even though your POV is wa different than mine, you can get my gullet bouncing with laughter sometimes. Not always, but much more often since the first of the year. I noticed a distinct change in the vibe of your posts then. Maybe it was just the end of the election negativity, but I don't think so. Anyways, my thanks and a grateful bow. The ability to create that laughter in one who could be regarded as a foe is surely an auspicious quality.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Wanda Sykes rips at the White House Correspondent's Dinner
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote: On May 10, 2009, at 11:22 AM, lurkernomore20002000 wrote: I thought some of it was a little funny. But I think she is going to be perceived as being pretty crude. Yeah, much better we should have people getting ripped apart by bombs or life-saving research What is interesting to me is to find out that you are all for research published in peer-reviewed scientific journals, just like I am ! Who'd have thunk it !? OffWorld put out of the reach of millions than have a comic spew a little off-color humor. The nerve. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Wanda Sykes rips at the White House Correspondent's Dinner
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , lurkernomore20002000 steve.sun...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On May 10, 2009, at 11:22 AM, lurkernomore20002000 wrote: I thought some of it was a little funny. But I think she is going to be perceived as being pretty crude. Yeah, much better we should have people getting ripped apart by bombs or life-saving research put out of the reach of millions than have a comic spew a little off-color humor. The nerve. Sal I can't help but feel it is better to have a little civility in this type of forum. When you read off color humor by Mark Twain, George Bernard Shaw, Winston Churchill, Do you mean like when he said the following in answer to Lady Astor? : Lady Astor You, Mr Churchill, are drunk. Churchill: And you, Lady Astor, are ugly. But I shall be sober in the morning. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Good Article on the Economy
How do you know when Ben Bernanke is lying? When his mouth moves. Yeah, I know, old joke (usually applied elsewhere). And I'm sure most FFLians could care less about the economy as being concerned about it would make them look unenlightened in their quest to dissect enlightenment. After all they're not attached to economic issues anyway. That is until the pink slip shows up or their business fails or the contracts dry up. Yesterday my relatives held a pre-Mother's Day combination birthday catch up get together. Though they live in the area I don't hear from them that often as they are too busy which is just another way of saying they can't keep up with things like they used to. I bet many of you have similar experiences with relatives and friends. Interesting was the conversation about neighbors being foreclosed out of their homes. Their friends businesses failing and even one family member admitting that if the line he represents doesn't win in the industry he'll be out of work in 3 months. Other family members are a little less open and more cryptic about their financial lives. Some are embarrassed that the family flake (me) wound up the most financially secure (at least for the time being). I always like to joke that is because I was foolish enough to listen to the conspiracy theorists. The problem is they tend to believe the mainstream press on such issues and don't understand how often our leaders lie about the economy in an effort to bolster or con you into buying some of their worthless stock or even savings bonds (currently paying 0.0% interest). If they only dug deeper or at least made economics a hobby (rather than frigging sports which are a big waste of time) they would realize that the arrow has been shot and nothing will deflect it from its trajectory which is the economic collapse of civilization. The economy won't rebound by the end of the year and these small waves in the stock market mean nothing. We're in it for the long haul because the adults went away and let a bunch of children run the show. And the kids are probably more interested in the current fad of LaCrosse than reviving the economy or changing the whole system to one that suits everyone rather than the 1% who rape and pillage it. So here is a good article along the same lines from a business owner who believes as I do. Wake up and smell the roses or is it the garbage pails? http://www.newsweek.com/id/196007
[FairfieldLife] The Meditator Boxes (was Re: Post Count Meditator Status)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Om, that's cool. A meditating status does help puts a useful context to some of the criticism that often goes on here. Provides an insight of context. Current meditator, has-been meditator, and non-meditator. Status helps put a different scope on it when someone writes some critical or even hating meditation stuff. Is nice to be able to separate the meditators here from the non-meditators at the git-go. Who is who here. Doug, It's often difficult to tell when you're doing one of your put-ons and when you're serious and when you think you're doing one of your put-ons but are serious. I'm going to assume that this latest thing is one of the latter. I honestly don't believe that meditator vs. non-meditator proves anything except an elitist bias in the person who might believe it proves something. It's as silly a black/white, either/or set of boxes as any I've ever heard of. Have you ever seen any evidence that long-term meditators are consistently any different than anyone else? I haven't. However, if creating little boxes and putting people in them is your schtick, I think you might do better with boxes *within* the community of TM meditators. I can think of several. I leave it to you to, after you've identified all the meditators, scan the list of them and put each one in the box most suited to them in my scheme of things. I know who my nominees for each box are, but I figure it will be more fun if everyone gets to populate them themselves. It'll be even more fun seeing who gets all uptight for being placed in one of the boxes by me, when I didn't put them there. They did, by getting uptight about it. :-) The Intellect-Challenged. This box is filled with individuals who have demon- strated not only a shocking lack of knowledge about spirituality as a whole but also about TM spirituality. One of the qualities of people in this box is that not only do they rarely read or try to learn new things, they look down on learning new things. They honestly feel that either what they know now is suf- ficient and will be enough for the rest of their lives, or that anything they don't know now will just come to them as a kind of seeing. The fact *that* they see it makes it true. The Intellect-Trapped. This box contains those who are...uh...trapped in their own intellects. Not only that, they are *proud* of being trapped in their intel- lects, and go on and on making excuses for it. You can usually tell these people by 1) a need to defend anything that their intellect believes, 2) a need to defend the intellect itself as good, and 3) an even stronger need to prove that anyone who believes something different than their intellect believes has something wrong with them. Interestingly, whereas The Intellectually-Challenged sometimes display real emotion, The Intellect- Trapped rarely do. It's as if the only emotion they can feel is the kind they jumpstart themselves with an injection of faux bhakti or manufactured outrage. Also, interestingly enough, IMO The Intellectually-Challenged are probably more likely to eventually realize enlight- enment because they're not smart enough to do anything other than what they were told to do. Whereas The Intellect-Trapped constantly invent ways to block the enlightenment process because they're so afraid that it would mean loss of ego and thus loss of intellect. The Intellect- Trapped like to win; if there is no debate or argument going on, they'll provoke one and claim to have won it. The Fearless. The folks in this box aren't really in a box. They got fed up with boxes a while ago and don't have much to do with them any more. They're pretty nice people, and don't see meditation as the center of their lives; instead, they see meditation as merely one of the things they do that helps to center their lives, along with love, family, having fun, and above all being themselves. They almost never argue because unlike the two previous groups they've got nothing to prove. So far, the folks in this group are the only ones you'd want to have a drink with. The Lasher-Outers. The folks in this box look down on and resent anyone who is off the program or, worse, appears to be having fun. The people in the first two boxes do this, too, but what makes this box unique is that the majority of folks in it are lurkers who rarely post *except* to lash out. That's *their* idea of fun. And being on the program. So, I've reacted to Doug's attempt to divide the world into the meditator box and the non-meditator box by creating my own meditator sub-boxes. Now you can file your favorite FFL posters in them. Or invent your own. I'm sure there are many more such meditator sub-boxes, but I'm already bored with the subject.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Meditator Status
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, satvadude108 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: FFL Meditators Are these writers, all meditators? Of some kind? Like, current practicing meditators? Yes Doug, daily. Om, that's cool. A meditating status does help puts a useful context to some of the criticism that often goes on here. Provides an insight of context. Current meditator, has-been meditator, and non-meditator. Status helps put a different scope on it when someone writes some critical or even hating meditation stuff.Is nice to be able to separate the meditators here from the non-meditators at the git-go. Who is who here. Like of the bottom ten posters infrequent poster here on that list, are any of them practicing meditators? non-meditators? Some are (off and on)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Wanda Sykes rips at the White House Correspondent's Dinner
do.rflex wrote: Youch! Comedienne Wanda Sykes threw some intense cutting zingers that are sure to raise the hackles of a few in the right wing crowd. Watch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmyRog2w4DIfeature=related Great digs and well deserved too!
[FairfieldLife] 1984: The masterpiece that killed George Orwell
War is Peace; Freedom is Slavery; Ignorance is Strength. If you're an Orwell fan you may be interested in this story: The Observer [UK] - In 1946 Observer editor David Astor lent George Orwell [Eric Blair] a remote Scottish farmhouse in which to write his new book, Nineteen Eighty-Four. It became one of the most significant novels of the 20th century. Here, Robert McCrum tells the compelling story of Orwell's torturous stay on the island where the author, close to death and beset by creative demons, was engaged in a feverish race to finish the book ... Continue reading at link: http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2009/may/10/1984-george-orwell
[FairfieldLife] The Meditator Boxes (was Re: Post Count Meditator Status)
in other words Doug, your boxes are silly, trivial and even incorrect. Turqy's boxes, on the other hand, are accurate, thoughtful and definitive. does anyone else see that Turqy is setting himself up as the one true enlightened being on FFL? sure he decrys the term, but behind the false humility and psuedo non-attachment, he thinks what he says and thinks trumps anyone else here. Why? because he is a spiritual aspirant like no other- he transcends (ignores) everything but his own perspective-- no contradiction stands in his way- why? because he alone knows and lives the transcendental reality, making him de facto master over the rest of us. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Om, that's cool. A meditating status does help puts a useful context to some of the criticism that often goes on here. Provides an insight of context. Current meditator, has-been meditator, and non-meditator. Status helps put a different scope on it when someone writes some critical or even hating meditation stuff. Is nice to be able to separate the meditators here from the non-meditators at the git-go. Who is who here. Doug, It's often difficult to tell when you're doing one of your put-ons and when you're serious and when you think you're doing one of your put-ons but are serious. I'm going to assume that this latest thing is one of the latter. I honestly don't believe that meditator vs. non-meditator proves anything except an elitist bias in the person who might believe it proves something. It's as silly a black/white, either/or set of boxes as any I've ever heard of. Have you ever seen any evidence that long-term meditators are consistently any different than anyone else? I haven't. However, if creating little boxes and putting people in them is your schtick, I think you might do better with boxes *within* the community of TM meditators. I can think of several. I leave it to you to, after you've identified all the meditators, scan the list of them and put each one in the box most suited to them in my scheme of things. I know who my nominees for each box are, but I figure it will be more fun if everyone gets to populate them themselves. It'll be even more fun seeing who gets all uptight for being placed in one of the boxes by me, when I didn't put them there. They did, by getting uptight about it. :-) The Intellect-Challenged. This box is filled with individuals who have demon- strated not only a shocking lack of knowledge about spirituality as a whole but also about TM spirituality. One of the qualities of people in this box is that not only do they rarely read or try to learn new things, they look down on learning new things. They honestly feel that either what they know now is suf- ficient and will be enough for the rest of their lives, or that anything they don't know now will just come to them as a kind of seeing. The fact *that* they see it makes it true. The Intellect-Trapped. This box contains those who are...uh...trapped in their own intellects. Not only that, they are *proud* of being trapped in their intel- lects, and go on and on making excuses for it. You can usually tell these people by 1) a need to defend anything that their intellect believes, 2) a need to defend the intellect itself as good, and 3) an even stronger need to prove that anyone who believes something different than their intellect believes has something wrong with them. Interestingly, whereas The Intellectually-Challenged sometimes display real emotion, The Intellect- Trapped rarely do. It's as if the only emotion they can feel is the kind they jumpstart themselves with an injection of faux bhakti or manufactured outrage. Also, interestingly enough, IMO The Intellectually-Challenged are probably more likely to eventually realize enlight- enment because they're not smart enough to do anything other than what they were told to do. Whereas The Intellect-Trapped constantly invent ways to block the enlightenment process because they're so afraid that it would mean loss of ego and thus loss of intellect. The Intellect- Trapped like to win; if there is no debate or argument going on, they'll provoke one and claim to have won it. The Fearless. The folks in this box aren't really in a box. They got fed up with boxes a while ago and don't have much to do with them any more. They're pretty nice people, and don't see meditation as the center of their lives; instead, they see meditation as merely one of the things they do that helps to center their lives, along with love, family, having fun, and above all being themselves. They almost never argue because unlike the two previous groups they've got nothing to prove. So far, the folks in this group are the only ones you'd want to have a drink with. The Lasher-Outers.
[FairfieldLife] The Meditator Boxes (was Re: Post Count Meditator Status)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_re...@... wrote: in other words Doug, your boxes are silly, trivial and even incorrect. Turqy's boxes, on the other hand, are accurate, thoughtful and definitive. does anyone else see that Turqy is setting himself up as the one true enlightened being on FFL? sure he decrys the term, but behind the false humility and psuedo non-attachment, he thinks what he says and thinks trumps anyone else here. Why? because he is a spiritual aspirant like no other- he transcends (ignores) everything but his own perspective-- no contradiction stands in his way- why? because he alone knows and lives the transcendental reality, making him de facto master over the rest of us. But that's why we dispatched all those teenage girls and young women to seduce him and sap his vital energy, cloud his mind, and keep him doing scores of shots every night. We have a strategy! It is working. Under these golden chains he will never rise to become OverLord of the Universe. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Om, that's cool. A meditating status does help puts a useful context to some of the criticism that often goes on here. Provides an insight of context. Current meditator, has-been meditator, and non-meditator. Status helps put a different scope on it when someone writes some critical or even hating meditation stuff. Is nice to be able to separate the meditators here from the non-meditators at the git-go. Who is who here. Doug, It's often difficult to tell when you're doing one of your put-ons and when you're serious and when you think you're doing one of your put-ons but are serious. I'm going to assume that this latest thing is one of the latter. I honestly don't believe that meditator vs. non-meditator proves anything except an elitist bias in the person who might believe it proves something. It's as silly a black/white, either/or set of boxes as any I've ever heard of. Have you ever seen any evidence that long-term meditators are consistently any different than anyone else? I haven't. However, if creating little boxes and putting people in them is your schtick, I think you might do better with boxes *within* the community of TM meditators. I can think of several. I leave it to you to, after you've identified all the meditators, scan the list of them and put each one in the box most suited to them in my scheme of things. I know who my nominees for each box are, but I figure it will be more fun if everyone gets to populate them themselves. It'll be even more fun seeing who gets all uptight for being placed in one of the boxes by me, when I didn't put them there. They did, by getting uptight about it. :-) The Intellect-Challenged. This box is filled with individuals who have demon- strated not only a shocking lack of knowledge about spirituality as a whole but also about TM spirituality. One of the qualities of people in this box is that not only do they rarely read or try to learn new things, they look down on learning new things. They honestly feel that either what they know now is suf- ficient and will be enough for the rest of their lives, or that anything they don't know now will just come to them as a kind of seeing. The fact *that* they see it makes it true. The Intellect-Trapped. This box contains those who are...uh...trapped in their own intellects. Not only that, they are *proud* of being trapped in their intel- lects, and go on and on making excuses for it. You can usually tell these people by 1) a need to defend anything that their intellect believes, 2) a need to defend the intellect itself as good, and 3) an even stronger need to prove that anyone who believes something different than their intellect believes has something wrong with them. Interestingly, whereas The Intellectually-Challenged sometimes display real emotion, The Intellect- Trapped rarely do. It's as if the only emotion they can feel is the kind they jumpstart themselves with an injection of faux bhakti or manufactured outrage. Also, interestingly enough, IMO The Intellectually-Challenged are probably more likely to eventually realize enlight- enment because they're not smart enough to do anything other than what they were told to do. Whereas The Intellect-Trapped constantly invent ways to block the enlightenment process because they're so afraid that it would mean loss of ego and thus loss of intellect. The Intellect- Trapped like to win; if there is no debate or argument going on, they'll provoke one and claim to have won it. The Fearless. The folks in this box aren't really in a box. They got fed up with boxes a while ago and don't have much to
[FairfieldLife] The Meditator Boxes (was Re: Post Count Meditator Status)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony...@... wrote: So, I've reacted to Doug's attempt to divide the world into the meditator box and the non-meditator box by creating my own meditator sub-boxes. Now you can file your favorite FFL posters in them. Or invent your own. I'm sure there are many more such meditator sub-boxes, but I'm already bored with the subject. :-) Or you could just lash out. But you know what box that'll put you in... :-) Dear Turq, what r u trying to evade? Barry is evading a box, of course. With plenty of room to spare, he could easily fit into a box that says, I'm interesting and you are boring, or in a box that says, I matter and you don't. Take your pick. Let's put Barry in a box. If he wants to have fun with us we should be able to have some fun with him. Right? Fun eh?
[FairfieldLife] The Meditator Boxes (was Re: Post Count Meditator Status)
See how useful my boxes are, Doug? Here already is someone trying to *change* the box he's been consigned to. Knowing that no one is going to buy the Fearless box, he's trying for either the Lasher-Outer box or the Intellect-Trapped box. But that's such a classic Intellect-Challenged box thing to do that it's transparent. I think meditators should treat these boxes the way they treat the Indian caste system, as a system that's actually good if you're just gullible enough to see it that way. You are born into one box, and that's your dharma. Trying to get out of the box is silly. Resistance is futile. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_re...@... wrote: in other words Doug, your boxes are silly, trivial and even incorrect. Turqy's boxes, on the other hand, are accurate, thoughtful and definitive. does anyone else see that Turqy is setting himself up as the one true enlightened being on FFL? sure he decrys the term, but behind the false humility and psuedo non- attachment, he thinks what he says and thinks trumps anyone else here. Why? because he is a spiritual aspirant like no other- he transcends (ignores) everything but his own perspective-- no contradiction stands in his way- why? because he alone knows and lives the transcendental reality, making him de facto master over the rest of us. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Om, that's cool. A meditating status does help puts a useful context to some of the criticism that often goes on here. Provides an insight of context. Current meditator, has-been meditator, and non-meditator. Status helps put a different scope on it when someone writes some critical or even hating meditation stuff. Is nice to be able to separate the meditators here from the non-meditators at the git-go. Who is who here. Doug, It's often difficult to tell when you're doing one of your put-ons and when you're serious and when you think you're doing one of your put-ons but are serious. I'm going to assume that this latest thing is one of the latter. I honestly don't believe that meditator vs. non-meditator proves anything except an elitist bias in the person who might believe it proves something. It's as silly a black/white, either/or set of boxes as any I've ever heard of. Have you ever seen any evidence that long-term meditators are consistently any different than anyone else? I haven't. However, if creating little boxes and putting people in them is your schtick, I think you might do better with boxes *within* the community of TM meditators. I can think of several. I leave it to you to, after you've identified all the meditators, scan the list of them and put each one in the box most suited to them in my scheme of things. I know who my nominees for each box are, but I figure it will be more fun if everyone gets to populate them themselves. It'll be even more fun seeing who gets all uptight for being placed in one of the boxes by me, when I didn't put them there. They did, by getting uptight about it. :-) The Intellect-Challenged. This box is filled with individuals who have demon- strated not only a shocking lack of knowledge about spirituality as a whole but also about TM spirituality. One of the qualities of people in this box is that not only do they rarely read or try to learn new things, they look down on learning new things. They honestly feel that either what they know now is suf- ficient and will be enough for the rest of their lives, or that anything they don't know now will just come to them as a kind of seeing. The fact *that* they see it makes it true. The Intellect-Trapped. This box contains those who are...uh...trapped in their own intellects. Not only that, they are *proud* of being trapped in their intel- lects, and go on and on making excuses for it. You can usually tell these people by 1) a need to defend anything that their intellect believes, 2) a need to defend the intellect itself as good, and 3) an even stronger need to prove that anyone who believes something different than their intellect believes has something wrong with them. Interestingly, whereas The Intellectually-Challenged sometimes display real emotion, The Intellect- Trapped rarely do. It's as if the only emotion they can feel is the kind they jumpstart themselves with an injection of faux bhakti or manufactured outrage. Also, interestingly enough, IMO The Intellectually-Challenged are probably more likely to eventually realize enlight- enment because they're not smart enough to do anything other than what they were told to do. Whereas The Intellect-Trapped constantly invent ways to block the enlightenment process because they're so
[FairfieldLife] The Meditator Boxes (was Re: Post Count Meditator Status)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_re...@... wrote: in other words Doug, your boxes are silly, trivial and even incorrect. Turqy's boxes, on the other hand, are accurate, thoughtful and definitive. does anyone else see that Turqy is setting himself up as the one true enlightened being on FFL? sure he decrys the term, but behind the false humility and psuedo non-attachment, he thinks what he says and thinks trumps anyone else here. Why? because he is a spiritual aspirant like no other- he transcends (ignores) everything but his own perspective-- no contradiction stands in his way- why? because he alone knows and lives the transcendental reality, making him de facto master over the rest of us. Yup, well put. He's a fundamentally a solipsist, as I keep pointing out, arranging his personal reality so that he always comes out on top, at least in his own mind (which is all it takes, because the rest of us don't exist except as a function of his mental processes). He's a self-sustaining closed loop, completely self- (as opposed to Self-) referential.
[FairfieldLife] The Meditator Boxes (was Re: Post Count Meditator Status)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: So, I've reacted to Doug's attempt to divide the world into the meditator box and the non-meditator box by creating my own meditator sub-boxes. Now you can file your favorite FFL posters in them. Or invent your own. I'm sure there are many more such meditator sub-boxes, but I'm already bored with the subject. :-) Or you could just lash out. But you know what box that'll put you in... :-) Dear Turq, what r u trying to evade? Barry is evading a box, of course. With plenty of room to spare, he could easily fit into a box that says, I'm interesting and you are boring, or in a box that says, I matter and you don't. Take your pick. Let's put Barry in a box. If he wants to have fun with us we should be able to have some fun with him. Right? Fun eh? While I am fair game for being placed in the box of your choosing, I should point out two things. One is that my boxes were only for TM meditators, so you'll have to invent your own. The second is that asking others to invent a clever box for me when you can't is a dead giveaway as to which of my boxes you fit in. :-)
[FairfieldLife] The Meditator Boxes (was Re: Post Count Meditator Status)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_reply@ wrote: in other words Doug, your boxes are silly, trivial and even incorrect. Turqy's boxes, on the other hand, are accurate, thoughtful and definitive. does anyone else see that Turqy is setting himself up as the one true enlightened being on FFL? sure he decrys the term, but behind the false humility and psuedo non-attachment, he thinks what he says and thinks trumps anyone else here. Why? because he is a spiritual aspirant like no other- he transcends (ignores) everything but his own perspective-- no contradiction stands in his way- why? because he alone knows and lives the transcendental reality, making him de facto master over the rest of us. Yup, well put. He's a fundamentally a solipsist, as I keep pointing out, arranging his personal reality so that he always comes out on top, at least in his own mind (which is all it takes, because the rest of us don't exist except as a function of his mental processes). He's a self-sustaining closed loop, completely self- (as opposed to Self-) referential. Again, Doug, do you see the advantage of my boxes over yours? Yours only divide the world into meditators and non-meditators, whereas mine break down the meditators into easily-identifiable sub- categories. For example, trying to use big words to sound intellectual instead of pissed off is a dead giveaway.
[FairfieldLife] Re: You're on the road to enlightenment..
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: You're on the road to enlightenment when you stop aggravating about getting there. ;-) Ok I'll play. 60 seconds: Go You are on the road to Enlightenment (YAORE) is when the road disappears YAORE when you disappear. YAORE when the rad and you disappear YAORE when the mileage signs remain the same (even after many miles of travel) -- (as in, you don't get there on a road or by traveling) YAORE when you see a fork in the road and take the one that says Vegas (and this have transcended the structural needs of yamas and niyamas -- and can deal with anything with pure heart and full mind) YAORE when Enlightenment disappears (that is its not a quest, its not a destination, its not an attainment, its not a status symbol, its no ta crown, it does not bestow temperal knowledge) YAORE when even the sex and chick sandwich taste the same. YAORE when the fat lady sings. YAORE when you become most humble and compassionate. YAORE when Gadot sends a note that he is not coming. YAORE when the boulder falls back down to the valley after having pushed it witin 10 feet of the summit and you exlain, Cool! YAORE when you love everyone as your self. (act consistent with that) YAORE when you are happy to be alone for weeks on end. YAORE when you enjoy being a spot in a sea of people YAORE when -- there is no when. YAORE YAORE when you're Bob Hope and Bing Crosby pursuing Dorothy Lamour
[FairfieldLife] Re: Good Article on the Economy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: How do you know when Ben Bernanke is lying? When his mouth moves. Yeah, I know, old joke (usually applied elsewhere). And I'm sure most FFLians could care less about the economy as being concerned about it would make them look unenlightened in their quest to dissect enlightenment. After all they're not attached to economic issues anyway. That is until the pink slip shows up or their business fails or the contracts dry up. Yesterday my relatives held a pre-Mother's Day combination birthday catch up get together. Though they live in the area I don't hear from them that often as they are too busy which is just another way of saying they can't keep up with things like they used to. I bet many of you have similar experiences with relatives and friends. Interesting was the conversation about neighbors being foreclosed out of their homes. Their friends businesses failing and even one family member admitting that if the line he represents doesn't win in the industry he'll be out of work in 3 months. Other family members are a little less open and more cryptic about their financial lives. Some are embarrassed that the family flake (me) wound up the most financially secure (at least for the time being). I always like to joke that is because I was foolish enough to listen to the conspiracy theorists. The problem is they tend to believe the mainstream press on such issues and don't understand how often our leaders lie about the economy in an effort to bolster or con you into buying some of their worthless stock or even savings bonds (currently paying 0.0% interest). If they only dug deeper or at least made economics a hobby (rather than frigging sports which are a big waste of time) they would realize that the arrow has been shot and nothing will deflect it from its trajectory which is the economic collapse of civilization. The economy won't rebound by the end of the year and these small waves in the stock market mean nothing. We're in it for the long haul because the adults went away and let a bunch of children run the show. And the kids are probably more interested in the current fad of LaCrosse than reviving the economy or changing the whole system to one that suits everyone rather than the 1% who rape and pillage it. So here is a good article along the same lines from a business owner who believes as I do. Wake up and smell the roses or is it the garbage pails? http://www.newsweek.com/id/196007 A lot of the posts put me in mind of the old line of Nero fiddling with himself while Rome burned (or something like that). Some sites are all conspiracy theory people but here, the majority seem to believe 9-11 was foreign terrorists. A lot of people are not running programs that can translate current events into a problem. N
[FairfieldLife] The Meditator Boxes (was Re: Post Count Meditator Status)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Om, that's cool. A meditating status does help puts a useful context to some of the criticism that often goes on here. Provides an insight of context. Current meditator, has-been meditator, and non-meditator. Status helps put a different scope on it when someone writes some critical or even hating meditation stuff. Is nice to be able to separate the meditators here from the non-meditators at the git-go. Who is who here. Doug, It's often difficult to tell when you're doing one of your put-ons and when you're serious and when you think you're doing one of your put-ons but are serious. I'm going to assume that this latest thing is one of the latter. I honestly don't believe that meditator vs. non-meditator proves anything except an elitist bias in the person who might believe it proves something. It's as silly a black/white, either/or set of boxes as any I've ever heard of. Have you ever seen any evidence that long-term meditators are consistently any different than anyone else? I haven't. However, if creating little boxes and putting people in them is your schtick, I think you might do better with boxes *within* the community of TM meditators. I can think of several. I leave it to you to, after you've identified all the meditators, scan the list of them and put each one in the box most suited to them in my scheme of things. I know who my nominees for each box are, but I figure it will be more fun if everyone gets to populate them themselves. It'll be even more fun seeing who gets all uptight for being placed in one of the boxes by me, when I didn't put them there. They did, by getting uptight about it. :-) The Intellect-Challenged. This box is filled with individuals who have demon- strated not only a shocking lack of knowledge about spirituality as a whole but also about TM spirituality. One of the qualities of people in this box is that not only do they rarely read or try to learn new things, they look down on learning new things. They honestly feel that either what they know now is suf- ficient and will be enough for the rest of their lives, or that anything they don't know now will just come to them as a kind of seeing. The fact *that* they see it makes it true. The Intellect-Trapped. This box contains those who are...uh...trapped in their own intellects. Not only that, they are *proud* of being trapped in their intel- lects, and go on and on making excuses for it. You can usually tell these people by 1) a need to defend anything that their intellect believes, 2) a need to defend the intellect itself as good, and 3) an even stronger need to prove that anyone who believes something different than their intellect believes has something wrong with them. Interestingly, whereas The Intellectually-Challenged sometimes display real emotion, The Intellect- Trapped rarely do. It's as if the only emotion they can feel is the kind they jumpstart themselves with an injection of faux bhakti or manufactured outrage. Also, interestingly enough, IMO The Intellectually-Challenged are probably more likely to eventually realize enlight- enment because they're not smart enough to do anything other than what they were told to do. Whereas The Intellect-Trapped constantly invent ways to block the enlightenment process because they're so afraid that it would mean loss of ego and thus loss of intellect. The Intellect- Trapped like to win; if there is no debate or argument going on, they'll provoke one and claim to have won it. The Fearless. The folks in this box aren't really in a box. They got fed up with boxes a while ago and don't have much to do with them any more. They're pretty nice people, and don't see meditation as the center of their lives; instead, they see meditation as merely one of the things they do that helps to center their lives, along with love, family, having fun, and above all being themselves. They almost never argue because unlike the two previous groups they've got nothing to prove. So far, the folks in this group are the only ones you'd want to have a drink with. The Lasher-Outers. The folks in this box look down on and resent anyone who is off the program or, worse, appears to be having fun. The people in the first two boxes do this, too, but what makes this box unique is that the majority of folks in it are lurkers who rarely post *except* to lash out. That's *their* idea of fun. And being on the program. So, I've reacted to Doug's attempt to divide the world into the meditator box and the non-meditator box by
[FairfieldLife] YouTubers skit on Obama, 1st Lady, Biden, Palin, Blagovich
YouTubers skit on Obama, 1st Lady, Biden, Palin, Blagovich: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1D8lj3dg5-o http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1D8lj3dg5-o OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] The Meditator Boxes (was Re: Post Count Meditator Status)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_reply@ wrote: in other words Doug, your boxes are silly, trivial and even incorrect. Turqy's boxes, on the other hand, are accurate, thoughtful and definitive. does anyone else see that Turqy is setting himself up as the one true enlightened being on FFL? sure he decrys the term, but behind the false humility and psuedo non-attachment, he thinks what he says and thinks trumps anyone else here. Why? because he is a spiritual aspirant like no other- he transcends (ignores) everything but his own perspective-- no contradiction stands in his way- why? because he alone knows and lives the transcendental reality, making him de facto master over the rest of us. Yup, well put. He's a fundamentally a solipsist, as I keep pointing out, arranging his personal reality so that he always comes out on top, at least in his own mind (which is all it takes, because the rest of us don't exist except as a function of his mental processes). He's a self-sustaining closed loop, completely self- (as opposed to Self-) referential. Again, Doug, do you see the advantage of my boxes over yours? Yours only divide the world into meditators and non-meditators, whereas mine break down the meditators into easily-identifiable sub- categories. For example, trying to use big words to sound intellectual instead of pissed off is a dead giveaway. See what I mean by arranging his personal reality so that he always comes out on top? In his mind, I must be pissed off because he *wants* me to be pissed off; in his mind, solipsist is a big word I'm using to sound intellectual because that's the way he *wants* it to be. Readers might want to check out who first used solipsist on FFL in an effort to sound intellectual instead of pissed off. giggle
[FairfieldLife] Texas Creationists Determined to Destroy Science Education
Texas is only 6000 years old! Not satisfied with destroying evolutionary theory and turning sex ed into a Bible course, Texas educators have decided to put the age of the universe to a vote. Phil Plait at Bad Astronomy writes: = During the Texas State Board of Education hearings on science standards for Texas schoolchildren, BoE member and staunch creationist Barbara Cargill decided that the age of the Universe was up for vote. Oddly enough, I had some issue with that. You may vote on issues all you want, and you can even vote on morality if you'd like, but scientific reality is not a matter of opinion and cares not for the majority vote... It is perfectly transparent what she wanted: to wedge open the door to allow the teaching of young-Earth creationism in the classroom, using the standard strengths and weaknesses creationist propaganda tactic. Need I say it? Her amendment passed, 11 to 3. = The amount of power wielded by the Board of Education in my home state is astonishing. That conservative Christian parents would handicap their children's prospects by teaching them pseudo-science is bad enough; forcing religious wackery on the general student population is downright criminal. More than a dozen bills have been filed this year to curtail the power of the BoE. All have languished. Some have died. This is because of the pressure being brought by fundie Christians and GOP groups to force lawmakers to maintain the Republican-dominated board's authority. Governor Rick Perry (Texas might secede from the union!) nominated a young earth creationist named Don McLeroy to oversee education in the Lone Star State. Senate Democrats have been trying to block his appointment as chairman of the education board. From the Austin American Statesman: = With McLeroy at the helm, some board members have made international news by questioning the theory of evolution, arguing that the universe is less than 10,000 years old and writing that President Barack Obama is a terrorist sympathizer who intends to establish martial law... Though the board is legally prohibited from editing textbooks, it continues to do so by bullying publishers whose books are rejected if they don't conform to political and social agendas of a seven-member voting bloc that includes McLeroy. And when it comes to textbooks, what happens in Texas doesn't stay in Texas. Publishers are reluctant to develop whole new textbooks - an expensive endeavor - for smaller markets in other states. = It's like the tentacles of some insidious octopus, reaching out and snatching knowledge from the minds of future generations. This insanity must be stopped. If fundie Christians are determined to believe in a dinosaur-filled ark, giants roaming the earth, Balaam's talking ass, and a 6,000-year-old universe, they're perfectly free to do so. But a science classroom isn't the place for superstition and fairy stories. ~~ Max Pearson Links here: http://snipurl.com/hqkhv
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good Article on the Economy
Nelson wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: How do you know when Ben Bernanke is lying? When his mouth moves. Yeah, I know, old joke (usually applied elsewhere). And I'm sure most FFLians could care less about the economy as being concerned about it would make them look unenlightened in their quest to dissect enlightenment. After all they're not attached to economic issues anyway. That is until the pink slip shows up or their business fails or the contracts dry up. Yesterday my relatives held a pre-Mother's Day combination birthday catch up get together. Though they live in the area I don't hear from them that often as they are too busy which is just another way of saying they can't keep up with things like they used to. I bet many of you have similar experiences with relatives and friends. Interesting was the conversation about neighbors being foreclosed out of their homes. Their friends businesses failing and even one family member admitting that if the line he represents doesn't win in the industry he'll be out of work in 3 months. Other family members are a little less open and more cryptic about their financial lives. Some are embarrassed that the family flake (me) wound up the most financially secure (at least for the time being). I always like to joke that is because I was foolish enough to listen to the conspiracy theorists. The problem is they tend to believe the mainstream press on such issues and don't understand how often our leaders lie about the economy in an effort to bolster or con you into buying some of their worthless stock or even savings bonds (currently paying 0.0% interest). If they only dug deeper or at least made economics a hobby (rather than frigging sports which are a big waste of time) they would realize that the arrow has been shot and nothing will deflect it from its trajectory which is the economic collapse of civilization. The economy won't rebound by the end of the year and these small waves in the stock market mean nothing. We're in it for the long haul because the adults went away and let a bunch of children run the show. And the kids are probably more interested in the current fad of LaCrosse than reviving the economy or changing the whole system to one that suits everyone rather than the 1% who rape and pillage it. So here is a good article along the same lines from a business owner who believes as I do. Wake up and smell the roses or is it the garbage pails? http://www.newsweek.com/id/196007 A lot of the posts put me in mind of the old line of Nero fiddling with himself while Rome burned (or something like that). Some sites are all conspiracy theory people but here, the majority seem to believe 9-11 was foreign terrorists. A lot of people are not running programs that can translate current events into a problem. N And this morning the President of Pakistan said on TV that Osama has been dead since about 2002. I had also heard this from people with connections to military intelligence that he was killed during the battle of Torah Bora and not enough of him remained to confirm the kill to the public. We've been lied to all along and many American kids killed in the process and the country put into a debt it may never recover from. All to line the pockets of the military industrial complex and the banksters. May they all enjoy their eternity in hell.
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Balm of Enlightened-Mind
Vaj wrote: The interesting story of world-renowned psychologist, Paul Ekman, and the resolution of a lifetime of anger. A related project had its roots in a surprisingly powerful private exchange Paul Ekman had with the Dalai Lama during a tea break on Wednesday. As his daughter Eve asked the Dalai Lama a personal question about relationships, His Holiness alternately held, and affectionately rubbed, each of their hands. That small encounter, Paul later recounted, was what some people would call a mystical, transforming experience. I was inexplicably suffused with physical warmth during those five to ten minutes--a wonderful kind of warmth throughout my body and face. It was palpable. I felt a kind of goodness I'd never felt before in my life, all the time I sat there. This was a unique moment for Paul, a feeling of being embraced with generosity, concern, and compassion. And that moment came on top of the Dalai Lama having said during the discussion what a good father Paul was. Somehow that combination touched the very roots of Paul's motivation in life. A year or so later, Paul related that experience--and changes he had felt since--to a particularly traumatic incident in his life. My father was a violent man. When I was eighteen I told him I had decided to study psychology, not medicine, like he had--he was a pediatrician. And he said he would give me no support. I asked him if he wanted me to feel toward him as he did toward his own father, who had also refused support for his education. He knocked me to the floor, and when I got up I told him that was the last time he was going to hit me, for I was bigger and I would hit him back. I left home, not to see him again for a decade. Since that time, Paul added, About once a week for the last fifty years I've had an anger attack that I regretted. But things changed on the day in Dharamsala when Paul had that private encounter with His Holiness. After that, I didn't even have an angry impulse for the next four months, and no full episode of erupting in anger for the whole last year. I'm someone who has struggled his whole life with flare-ups of anger, but even now, almost a year later, they're very rare. I believe that physical contact with that kind of goodness can have a transformative effect. from Destructive Emotions, How Can We Overcome Them? : A Scientific Dialogue with the Dalai Lama, Narrated by Daniel Goleman. Is the Dalai Lama enlightened? Or do people just assume that?
[FairfieldLife] New Crop Circle, Peaks Down, Wiltshire. reported 9th May
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[FairfieldLife] Prison Awaiting FFLers?
Maybe if we let the dimwitted tech-challenged congress critters pass H.R. 1966: http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/05/prison-awaiting-hostile-bloggers/ So we get rid of 8 years of an administration trampling on civil rights and along come some do-gooder progressives wanting to tread down the road of destroying the First Amendment. This is NOT the way to deal with Cyberbulling! If someone gets a sliver in their thumb and dies of infection to we ban all slivers? Posts are nothing but letters on a screen. IOW, sticks and stones may break my bones but cyberbullies will never hurt me. Call your congresscritter and tell them to nip this one in the bud.
[FairfieldLife] Re: You're on the road to enlightenment..
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: grate.swan wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: You're on the road to enlightenment when you stop aggravating about getting there. ;-) Ok I'll play. 60 seconds: Go You are on the road to Enlightenment (YAORE) is when the road disappears YAORE when you disappear. YAORE when the rad and you disappear YAORE when the mileage signs remain the same (even after many miles of travel) -- (as in, you don't get there on a road or by traveling) YAORE when you see a fork in the road and take the one that says Vegas (and this have transcended the structural needs of yamas and niyamas -- and can deal with anything with pure heart and full mind) YAORE when Enlightenment disappears (that is its not a quest, its not a destination, its not an attainment, its not a status symbol, its no ta crown, it does not bestow temperal knowledge) YAORE when even the sex and chick sandwich taste the same. YAORE when the fat lady sings. YAORE when you become most humble and compassionate. YAORE when Gadot sends a note that he is not coming. YAORE when the boulder falls back down to the valley after having pushed it witin 10 feet of the summit and you exlain, Cool! YAORE when you love everyone as your self. (act consistent with that) YAORE when you are happy to be alone for weeks on end. YAORE when you enjoy being a spot in a sea of people YAORE when -- there is no when. YAORE Cute but some of those things are intellectual quests and not really signposts. In 60 seconds, one takes what comes. :) Again looking for signposts would be aggravating over it. An enlightened person will notice some of these things in passing but go looking for them. Humility and compassion can express themselves in different ways hence why you can't tell if someone else is actually enlightened (so it is a waste of time on this group). I see your point. But I was pondering when I wrote this, are the signs of non-compassion and non-humility? I see / sense a lot of non-compassion on FFL, ironically often -- but certainly not exclusively among the buddhist fans. And I agree that ego is often misunderstood and confused with self confidence. and self-esteem, IMO. However, arrogance and its forms -- the which may be the opposite of humility -- do also seem prevalent here. Thus these distinctions seems as or more relevant than Doug's question of boxing people by method. Far more meaningful to me if people think compassion and humility are signposts, goals or natural occurances or attainments of their path. If they do think so, its interesting to see the manifestations of that, or lack thereof in their behavior as a criteria of success of their path. And if people think compassion and humility are NOT signposts, goals or natural attainments of their path -- have nothing to do with their path, then that would be an interesting sharing of information also. Many of these things you should not strive for but let them happen instead. I agree. Being on the road does not mean striving for particular things (it can, but is not necessarily so). As with compassion and humility -- it may be difficult or unproductive to directly strive for them (or maybe that is helpful -- practice makes perfect) -- but I do think these things stem from more fundamental things occurring on the path. Ego is often misunderstood and confused with self confidence. And most here probably noticed they were on the road to enlightenment when that experience during meditation showed up in activity hours after they had meditated and yet they weren't just spaced out. And of course the joke ones were funny. ;-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Balm of Enlightened-Mind
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: Vaj wrote: The interesting story of world-renowned psychologist, Paul Ekman, and the resolution of a lifetime of anger. A related project had its roots in a surprisingly powerful private exchange Paul Ekman had with the Dalai Lama during a tea break on Wednesday. As his daughter Eve asked the Dalai Lama a personal question about relationships, His Holiness alternately held, and affectionately rubbed, each of their hands. That small encounter, Paul later recounted, was what some people would call a mystical, transforming experience. I was inexplicably suffused with physical warmth during those five to ten minutes--a wonderful kind of warmth throughout my body and face. It was palpable. I felt a kind of goodness I'd never felt before in my life, all the time I sat there. This was a unique moment for Paul, a feeling of being embraced with generosity, concern, and compassion. And that moment came on top of the Dalai Lama having said during the discussion what a good father Paul was. Somehow that combination touched the very roots of Paul's motivation in life. A year or so later, Paul related that experience--and changes he had felt since--to a particularly traumatic incident in his life. My father was a violent man. When I was eighteen I told him I had decided to study psychology, not medicine, like he had--he was a pediatrician. And he said he would give me no support. I asked him if he wanted me to feel toward him as he did toward his own father, who had also refused support for his education. He knocked me to the floor, and when I got up I told him that was the last time he was going to hit me, for I was bigger and I would hit him back. I left home, not to see him again for a decade. Since that time, Paul added, About once a week for the last fifty years I've had an anger attack that I regretted. But things changed on the day in Dharamsala when Paul had that private encounter with His Holiness. After that, I didn't even have an angry impulse for the next four months, and no full episode of erupting in anger for the whole last year. I'm someone who has struggled his whole life with flare-ups of anger, but even now, almost a year later, they're very rare. I believe that physical contact with that kind of goodness can have a transformative effect. from Destructive Emotions, How Can We Overcome Them? : A Scientific Dialogue with the Dalai Lama, Narrated by Daniel Goleman. Is the Dalai Lama enlightened? Or do people just assume that? I'm not sure who would assume that he is enlightened? He has never claimed to be enlightened... He doesn't appear to be enlightened... The only thing he claim is being the 14th reincarnation of someone who he has been doing this for at least 14 lifetimes... R.g.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Prison Awaiting FFLers?
Proposed congressional legislation would demand up to two years in prison for those whose electronic speech is meant to 'coerce, intimidate, harass, or cause substantial emotional distress to a person.' Wow. Some here could easily get 8 years per message - if you get bonus points for doing all four in one post. And at 50 posts a month, some could get 400 years in only one month. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: Maybe if we let the dimwitted tech-challenged congress critters pass H.R. 1966: http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/05/prison-awaiting-hostile-bloggers/ So we get rid of 8 years of an administration trampling on civil rights and along come some do-gooder progressives wanting to tread down the road of destroying the First Amendment. This is NOT the way to deal with Cyberbulling! If someone gets a sliver in their thumb and dies of infection to we ban all slivers? Posts are nothing but letters on a screen. IOW, sticks and stones may break my bones but cyberbullies will never hurt me. Call your congresscritter and tell them to nip this one in the bud.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Balm of Enlightened-Mind
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Vaj wrote: The interesting story of world-renowned psychologist, Paul Ekman, and the resolution of a lifetime of anger. A related project had its roots in a surprisingly powerful private exchange Paul Ekman had with the Dalai Lama during a tea break on Wednesday. As his daughter Eve asked the Dalai Lama a personal question about relationships, His Holiness alternately held, and affectionately rubbed, each of their hands. That small encounter, Paul later recounted, was what some people would call a mystical, transforming experience. I was inexplicably suffused with physical warmth during those five to ten minutes--a wonderful kind of warmth throughout my body and face. It was palpable. I felt a kind of goodness I'd never felt before in my life, all the time I sat there. This was a unique moment for Paul, a feeling of being embraced with generosity, concern, and compassion. And that moment came on top of the Dalai Lama having said during the discussion what a good father Paul was. Somehow that combination touched the very roots of Paul's motivation in life. A year or so later, Paul related that experience--and changes he had felt since--to a particularly traumatic incident in his life. My father was a violent man. When I was eighteen I told him I had decided to study psychology, not medicine, like he had--he was a pediatrician. And he said he would give me no support. I asked him if he wanted me to feel toward him as he did toward his own father, who had also refused support for his education. He knocked me to the floor, and when I got up I told him that was the last time he was going to hit me, for I was bigger and I would hit him back. I left home, not to see him again for a decade. Since that time, Paul added, About once a week for the last fifty years I've had an anger attack that I regretted. But things changed on the day in Dharamsala when Paul had that private encounter with His Holiness. After that, I didn't even have an angry impulse for the next four months, and no full episode of erupting in anger for the whole last year. I'm someone who has struggled his whole life with flare-ups of anger, but even now, almost a year later, they're very rare. I believe that physical contact with that kind of goodness can have a transformative effect. from Destructive Emotions, How Can We Overcome Them? : A Scientific Dialogue with the Dalai Lama, Narrated by Daniel Goleman. Is the Dalai Lama enlightened? Or do people just assume that? I'm not sure who would assume that he is enlightened? He has never claimed to be enlightened... He doesn't appear to be enlightened... The only thing he claim is being the 14th reincarnation of someone who he has been doing this for at least 14 lifetimes... R.g. But we are ALL the reincarnation of the person who has been doing the same thing 14 lifetimes. (Do we get spiffy robes, and cool hats?) We keep repeating grade school because we flunked out of the basic curriculum. (you know, like Compassion 101, even Compassion for Dummies). Oh well, see you out in the sand box.
