[FairfieldLife] Re: Please snip your posts when possible
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@... wrote: The message you requested is temporarily unavailable because this group has exceeded its download limit. http://help.yahoo.com/kb/index?page=contenty=PROD_GRPSlocale=en_USid=SLN4059impressions=true I have been getting the same message, on some browsers, on others it worked, until I noticed it works when you log in. Otherwise, if you want to just read, try this mirror http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com/ There is a time delay, but usually neglect-able. But for readability, I'm a friend of snipping posts, yet, I notice that some here, think you should quote them fully, as if you would censor what they were writing, if you snip. Unfortunately, the yahoo system does not always make it clear to which post you are responding. There are numbers for posts, but they are not quoted, you could do that manually, or post the link to the post you are responding to.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Please snip your posts when possible
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_reply@... wrote: Agree snip and writing the answer in a different font(color) helps snip http://www.murraymoffatt.com/software-problem-0011.html Merudanda, if you use the html yahoo editor, for coloring your font, don't forget to make the links click-able.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Please snip your posts when possible
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_reply@ wrote: Agree snip and writing the answer in a different font(color) helps snip http://www.murraymoffatt.com/software-problem-0011.html Merudanda, if you use the html yahoo editor, for coloring your font, don't forget to make the links click-able. To do this, first paste the link into the email, highlight it, and then click the icon at the top that (in the Yahoo HTML editor) looks like a circle with a chain link under it. In the popup box that appears, paste in the same link that you just pasted into the email and click OK. Some email editors work the same way; that is, when you paste in a link, they do not automatically make them clickable. Doing this is a nice touch that makes things nicer for your readers.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Tantrum Yoga
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: By the way, did your check from the Dalai Lama this week include a bonus for having taunted a certain TB into posting out? Mine did. Gotta do that more often, the economy being what it is. Well, I got only the half amount I usually get :-( because he said I had to share it with Buck, who just has to honestly post the latest on-goings in the Domes... More seriously, isn't it fascinating that some would rather believe that anyone who doesn't buy into the ludicrous TM dogma on this forum is doing so because they were paid to do so by some nefarious Buddhist leader such as the Dalai Lama? As opposed to merely stating personal opinions arrived at by using a facility they gave up years or decades ago -- being able to think for oneself. The Dalai Lama is so popular, in my country he is more popular than the pope - and the pope is from my country. Even the most infamous, conservative tabloid would bring quotes and excerpts from his books, many of the most known politicians are friends with him, and would receive him despite of the protests of the Chinese. Btw. I believe that Nabby and Lawson are Chinese agents. And Judy is bombarding FFL with DoS attacks, using the advanced search function. We bad. :-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNbZcT8RXgE Yeah, that's us! Really, where did you get this from?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Please snip your posts when possible
Ah [#-o] thanks a lot using a MSword or TinyUrl are quite time consuming you on the move and still always a helping hand [:x] me in the mud trying/typing with dirty finger---mhh let's see http://help.yahoo.com/kb/index?locale=en_USpage=contenty=PROD_GRPSid=\ SLN2253impressions=true http://help.yahoo.com/kb/index?locale=en_USpage=contenty=PROD_GRPSid\ =SLN2253impressions=true%20%20http://www.murraymoffatt.com/software-pro\ blem-0011.html http://www.murraymoffatt.com/software-problem-0011.html http://www.murraymoffatt.com/software-problem-0011.html does it work, now? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_reply@ wrote: Agree snip and writing the answer in a different font(color) helps snip http://www.murraymoffatt.com/software-problem-0011.html Merudanda, if you use the html yahoo editor, for coloring your font, don't forget to make the links click-able. To do this, first paste the link into the email, highlight it, and then click the icon at the top that (in the Yahoo HTML editor) looks like a circle with a chain link under it. In the popup box that appears, paste in the same link that you just pasted into the email and click OK. Some email editors work the same way; that is, when you paste in a link, they do not automatically make them clickable. Doing this is a nice touch that makes things nicer for your readers.
[FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS's instruction on silent awareness during meditation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: Oh dear, for the last 39 years I've been doing TM improperly. The horror. Lawson, that's the dawn of knowledge, when you know that you don't know anymore, all your previous knowledge has been evaporated. There is a very good practice in Zen to cultivate the 'don't know' mind. If you like, read this http://www.kwanumzen.org/about-zen/three-letters-to-a-beginner/
[FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS's instruction on silent awareness during meditation
Xeno, very beautiful analysis, just what I was thinking about, but expressed more elegantly. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: I think this argument here may be because we have assigned a term to a particular experience and view that as an entity, as if it were an object. When we are awake we are conscious, even if we cannot define what consciousness is. The experience called TC is also consciousness, but it is not a separate entity. TM is kind of like an analytical reductionist state, where ever-present consciousness is separated out experientially, as it were, from normal activity. In waking the mind is active and the reflection of that in consciousness is active. When in TC, the mind is still, the reflection of that is still, no activity, no intellection, no ability to define. It is consciousness experiencing an undefined value; activity, consciousness in a defined value. So in a sense consciousness is never really 'pure' as a separate thing, it is just the means to grasp wider experience by creating a temporary artificial state. Consciousness is not something elsewhere, it is always here. To get people to meditate, one tells them a fib, that there is this better thing one can experience because if you tell them they already have consciousness in full measure, they won't be able to conceive that is true until they have a wider range of experience. Take salt. A transparent crystal. We can find out more about salt by chemically breaking it down and putting it back together. We can break it into a yellow-greenish gas and a bright silvery metal. But the wholeness of salt is gone in this state, until we chemically put the two components back together. This analogy breaks down, because chlorine and sodium are entities, while consciousness is not. Being contains active and non active but we can't tell which is which until we experience clearly what truly deep inactivity is, when all possible activity is gone commensurate with wakefulness. The ultimate object of meditation is not to experience TC indefinitely, it is to experience how all the possible states fit together as one unified block where everything has the same level of 'purity'. The purpose of meditation and activity is to separate, and then put it all back together repeatedly until we get the significance of what 'together' is. In CC for example, you cannot grasp what 'together' is, you cannot imagine it. You can imagine something, but you cannot imagine it correctly. You know what activity is, and you know what deep silence is, but they are still separate. When they come together, in fact, you still cannot imagine it, but you know. But how to say it, you are mute.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Tantrum Yoga
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: By the way, did your check from the Dalai Lama this week include a bonus for having taunted a certain TB into posting out? Mine did. Gotta do that more often, the economy being what it is. Well, I got only the half amount I usually get :-( because he said I had to share it with Buck, who just has to honestly post the latest on-goings in the Domes... I'll send Buck some of my bonus, too...he has horses to feed. :-) More seriously, isn't it fascinating that some would rather believe that anyone who doesn't buy into the ludicrous TM dogma on this forum is doing so because they were paid to do so by some nefarious Buddhist leader such as the Dalai Lama? As opposed to merely stating personal opinions arrived at by using a facility they gave up years or decades ago -- being able to think for oneself. The Dalai Lama is so popular, in my country he is more popular than the pope - and the pope is from my country. *Not* saying anything about your country, but honestly this current Pope's lookalike (the Sith Emperor from Star Wars) is probably more popular than he is. We are talking, after all, about the person who brought the Holy Office of the Inquisition *back* to the Catholic Church, and was head of it for years before he became Pope. This is just not a nice guy, by anyone's standards. I've only met the Dalai Lama once, in Paris, but he seemed a genuinely nice guy. I loved the way his mind works...so precise. I have heard that his hobby is finding old broken watches and clocks, taking them apart, and fixing them. That fits, because that kind of precision marks his talks as well. Even the most infamous, conservative tabloid would bring quotes and excerpts from his books, many of the most known politicians are friends with him, and would receive him despite of the protests of the Chinese. Which pisses off the Chinese big-time. :-) Btw. I believe that Nabby and Lawson are Chinese agents. I don't want to get back into this, but this theory is no more outlandish than Nabby's theories that many of the TM critics on FFL are *paid* to say what they say. It's just self importance IMO: We are persecuted, therefore we are important. In the Dalai Lama's case, such feelings are justified. There really IS an office in China, with a multimillion- dollar-per-year budget, whose entire function is to spread negative propaganda against him. There have been numerous exposes on this in the press. But to believe that someone would fund a disinformation campaign on a tiny little forum like Fairfield Life? That's almost as crazy as believing that aliens who have the tech to travel the stars are limited enough in both intelligence and know-how that the only way they can communicate with us is to draw silly designs in corn fields. But at least no one actually believes the latter. Oh. Wait. Never mind. :-) We bad. :-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNbZcT8RXgE Yeah, that's us! Really, where did you get this from? It's a clip from a 1980 film called Stir Crazy. Gene Wilder and Richard Pryor play two of the least street-wise guys ever, framed for a bank robbery, and landing up in a prison somewhere out West. All is going badly for them until the warden discovers that one of them is good at riding bucking broncos, and can enter him in the prison rodeo. It was silly, as you might imagine, but the We bad scene has endured as one of its more memorable moments. Here's another clip, demonstrating the proper way that a TM TB should deal with someone who criticizes TM, the TMO, Maharishi, or people who believe that evil things will happen to them if they enter a building from the wrong direction. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbDv2xfgEac TBs worried that our negativity may drown out the overwhelming positivity and Way Powerful Woo of the TM message are invited to put this clip on Infinite Replay on YouTube, and leave it running in the background as they read FFL. Hey, if they're gullible enough to believe that playing the rain raga over and over can make it rain, they might believe that playing Bad, bad, bad, bad, bad! over and over will accomplish similar miracles. It's worth a try. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM, the Dome Badge, and Religious Practices
Hi Ann and Buck, I'm baffled by all this. I was totally out of the Dome for 7 years, 2003 to 2010. During that time I openly participated in lots of stuff in FF, including Waking Down in Mutuality for about 3 years. But I had no trouble getting back into the Dome. No interrogation room, etc. Also through Amma's org, I've been having planetary pujas done for a while now plus use her jyotishis. Movement got too expensive and wanted a person to supply family info also. Too much of a hassle. And even when I was a grad student on campus, I was open about participating in David Deida tantric workshops. Again no interrogation room, no subtle threats, etc. All I can figure is that they let me alone because I'm just a sidha, not a gov. But I don't know for sure. Now that I'm back in the Dome, sometimes friends on campus aren't as friendly as they were. Sometimes that hurts. But I sort of understand. And I have friends in town. TSR dontcha know. Town Super Radiance. And jokingly means taking seminars regularly. OTOH, truth in jest, etc. Share in town and in Dome... From: awoelflebater no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 11:02 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM, the Dome Badge, and Religious Practices --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Om, waht oh. I may lose my Dome badge, again. I got called in by the chief inspector the other day over my religious activities with non-TM pundits. If it goes badly they'll take my Dome badge away, again. It is still in the balance but it is an interesting thing; they have these anti-religious practices paragraphs in the Dome meditation admission guidelines that are a snare. The paragraphs are part of a business plan to coerce people to use TM movement joytish astrology and yagya services more exclusively by using the dome admission as a punishment. I had an hour long interview in the Peace Palace the other day. Some committee that I'll not see will adjudicate my case. We have something in our files, tell us about it. How do the TM inspectors [had a good laugh typing that] find out you are using non-approved services? Is there a supergrass in FF? And what the hell business do you think it is of theirs? Hope you tell them to stuff their stupid dome badge. Really, what is the point of all this if this is the sort of positivity that TM creates? Sal, how? The 'course office' works it like East German Secret Police Stasi doing case work. They work it all the time. Search local papers for leads, the internet, make interviews, hear conversations in the Domes or meal hall on campus or around, some people also feel it their duty to tell them things, and then they squeeze people. They make files and network the files. These are TM career people who are very good at what they do. These are apparatchiks who are unquestioningly loyal subordinates. For them it is about enforcing the guidelines. If they had better guidelines they would enforce them too. It is a lot like being confronted with that German officer investigator actor in Inglorious Bastards. http://voices.yahoo.com/inglorious-bastards-using-tarantinos-movie-teaching-5616344.html That's the course office and the system that set it up. Evidently it is the best we have to work with. Wow Buck, you put up with a lot in order to be able to meditate in the Dome and operate within the confines of the TM secret police. I had no idea. If any of this had been going on back in 1976-1980 I would have been out of there, real fast. I guess what you gain is worth this kind of terrible, freedom-squelching monitoring? Is this for real? I haven't been paying attention or following any of this at FFL so I am a bit shocked now that I actually read one of these posts. I guess you need the collective group energy that the dome provides when you do your siddhis? You couldn't just sort of hop around in your own home and essentially be flipping these Nazi's a bird at the same time as you burn your dome badge? Jeezuz, I would love to be in Fairfield just to give these assholes a run for their money. I could think of all sorts of fun scenarios because, frankly, I wouldn't give a damn and just the opportunity to raise a couple of hackles on these guy's backs would be worth the price of admission. Good luck with that. But remember, certain things are only worth so much boot licking.
[FairfieldLife] Romney is no horseman, nowhere near.
It explains a lot. Romney's a damn tin-horn back peddling from his horse. http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/07/26/a-horse-at-the-olympics-but-romney-will-be-nowhere-near/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Romney is no horseman, nowhere near.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: It explains a lot. Romney's a damn tin-horn back peddling from his horse. http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/07/26/a-horse-at-the-olympics-but-romney-will-be-nowhere-near/ All thru history great leaders have been great horsemen. It shows a good human to be a good horseman. If this guy were a good horseman he'd have been up there and taken a picture of himself on that horse and shown it. -Buck
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM, the Dome Badge, and Religious Practices
I wondered how long it would be before the Nazis got dragged into it. Just one stop after the Stasi, it seems. The TM movement owns the domes and pays for them. The dome badge is free. The movement therefore makes the rules, and it can make them any way it chooses. Those who don't like it don't have to go. It's really very simple. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Om, waht oh. I may lose my Dome badge, again. I got called in by the chief inspector the other day over my religious activities with non-TM pundits. If it goes badly they'll take my Dome badge away, again. It is still in the balance but it is an interesting thing; they have these anti-religious practices paragraphs in the Dome meditation admission guidelines that are a snare. The paragraphs are part of a business plan to coerce people to use TM movement joytish astrology and yagya services more exclusively by using the dome admission as a punishment. I had an hour long interview in the Peace Palace the other day. Some committee that I'll not see will adjudicate my case. We have something in our files, tell us about it. How do the TM inspectors [had a good laugh typing that] find out you are using non-approved services? Is there a supergrass in FF? And what the hell business do you think it is of theirs? Hope you tell them to stuff their stupid dome badge. Really, what is the point of all this if this is the sort of positivity that TM creates? Sal, how? The 'course office' works it like East German Secret Police Stasi doing case work. They work it all the time. Search local papers for leads, the internet, make interviews, hear conversations in the Domes or meal hall on campus or around, some people also feel it their duty to tell them things, and then they squeeze people. They make files and network the files. These are TM career people who are very good at what they do. These are apparatchiks who are unquestioningly loyal subordinates. For them it is about enforcing the guidelines. If they had better guidelines they would enforce them too. It is a lot like being confronted with that German officer investigator actor in Inglorious Bastards. http://voices.yahoo.com/inglorious-bastards-using-tarantinos-movie-teaching-5616344.html That's the course office and the system that set it up. Evidently it is the best we have to work with. Wow Buck, you put up with a lot in order to be able to meditate in the Dome and operate within the confines of the TM secret police. I had no idea. If any of this had been going on back in 1976-1980 I would have been out of there, real fast. I guess what you gain is worth this kind of terrible, freedom-squelching monitoring? Is this for real? I haven't been paying attention or following any of this at FFL so I am a bit shocked now that I actually read one of these posts. I guess you need the collective group energy that the dome provides when you do your siddhis? You couldn't just sort of hop around in your own home and essentially be flipping these Nazi's a bird at the same time as you burn your dome badge? Jeezuz, I would love to be in Fairfield just to give these assholes a run for their money. I could think of all sorts of fun scenarios because, frankly, I wouldn't give a damn and just the opportunity to raise a couple of hackles on these guy's backs would be worth the price of admission. Good luck with that. But remember, certain things are only worth so much boot licking.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Romney is no horseman, nowhere near.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: It explains a lot. Romney's a damn tin-horn back peddling from his horse. Old Abe Lincoln was an incredible horseman. Romney obviously is not from that part of the Republican party. He's no leader to follow. http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/07/26/a-horse-at-the-olympics-but-romney-will-be-nowhere-near/ All thru history great leaders have been great horsemen. It shows a good human to be a good horseman. If this guy were a good horseman he'd have been up there and taken a picture of himself on that horse and shown it. -Buck
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev and Remote Viewing
Really? excellent dig.Hope Uncle Tantra is not around [:D] Isn't the world so small , melodramatic, entertaining ---and beautiful -- thanks to You nooz' Bhairitu OTOH we may ask our self and contemplate the defense-snake-fence against the offense-horse-sense of misusing academic positition-title and references-- what? sixth sense? ok then goodnight, may your dreams be so happy and your head lite with the wishes of a sandman and a night light for. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROPcZ8S_nwE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROPcZ8S_nwE --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: snip He is also the cousin of Turq's one time guru Freddie Lenz. snip
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev and Remote Viewing
Really? excellent dig.Hope Uncle Tantra is not around [:D] Isn't the world so small , melodramatic, entertaining ---and beautiful -- thanks to You nooz' Bhairitu OTOH we may ask our self and contemplate the defense-snake-fence against the offense-horse-sense of misusing academic position-title and references-- what? sixth sense? OK then goodnight, may your dreams be so happy and your head lite with the wishes of a sandman and a night light for. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROPcZ8S_nwE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROPcZ8S_nwE%20 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROPcZ8S_nwE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROPcZ8S_nwE --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: I just remember the guy being on Art Bell (I think he was on more than once) and out of curiosity picked up the book. I figured that folks here get a hoot out the book. Also out of curiosity I bought one of Major Ed Dames remote viewing VHS tapes. When after a week or two it didn't show up and I didn't even get a confirmation email I called the number and Dames answered. The duplication of the tapes had held up the order but it arrived about a week later. Bell's show was amusing though he tended to be a poor interviewer always dragging the focus from the interviewed back to himself. He is also the cousin of Turq's one time guru Freddie Lenz. I attended one of the UFO symposiums here in the Bay Area in the early 1990s and though I didn't know who he was at the time Bell emceed the event. On 07/25/2012 05:16 AM, merudanda wrote: Hope he will not have the same effect on FFL galactic member --here, courtesy Bhairitu noozguru, the Guru Dev chapter seen in white dhotiwith incense and Gandharva music (Maharishi Gandharva Veda music,?) followed by the chapter conversation with God. Guru Dev Early in our research, both my monitor and I were becoming con-vinced that there was much more to this project than the simple investigation of who was flying the saucers. By the summer of 1994, we had obtained remote-viewing corroboration of the abduction phenomenon, and we were becoming fairly well versed in the ideas underlying the basic genetics program of the Greys and the prob- lems that are being faced by the Martians. However, sensing a much bigger picture, we agreed after much discussion to solidify our earlier but tentative decision to include other targets of wise beings besides Jesus that could give us advice as to how to interpret some of our data. This chapter is the result of targeting one such individual, and I conducted the following session solo in a Type 1 setting. Guru Dev was the meditation teacher of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. During the many months of my remote-viewing research, I was sensing clearly that I needed to ask Guru Dev some questions. Other remote viewers had been observing a group of Martians that they called the priesthood. These Martians seemed to have some out-of-body travel and communication capabilities, and my monitor thought that maybe they did the Sidhis. The Martian priest- hood was on our long list of targets, and I knew that I would eventually be given the target blind. But I wanted to get some in- formation about them before diving my mind into their midst. If they did the Sidhis, I needed to know this, and soon. Thus, one morning in the summer of 1994 in Ann Arbor, Michigan, I targeted Guru Dev. Since it is a solo session, I report it as a narrative, thereby omitting nearly all of the jargon of SRV's protocols. Date: 24 July 1994 Place: Ann Arbor, Michigan Data: Type 1 Target coordinates: 3745/4021 The preliminaries indicated energetics, land, and something man-made. My initial perceptions included colors such as blue, white, and brown. The textures that I perceived were airy. Again, and as with all SRV sessions regardless of data type, I had no idea how I would get to Guru Dev, or in what setting I would find him. The protocols of SRV are set up to force the unconscious to make all of these decisions. My conscious mind was just along for the ride. The temperature was comfortable. I began to discern a sweet taste, and the sounds of a form of Indian music called Gandarva. In the subspace air there was the delicate smell of incense. I began to chuckle to myself: it seemed that Guru Dev was setting a stage. As I proceeded with the protocols, I found myself in a place that seemed more subspace than physical. The topography seemed ir- regularly shaped, with dips and holes, like tide pools along the beaches of East Africa. But there was no water. I noticed that there was a sky overhead. Slightly off-center of my view, a light being looked at me. I perceived this being to be the target and approached. I sensed that it was indeed Guru Dev, and he was waiting for me. Before engaging in a conversation with Guru Dev, I looked around. I made careful observations
[FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS's instruction on silent awareness during meditation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: Oh dear, for the last 39 years I've been doing TM improperly. The horror. Lawson, that's the dawn of knowledge, when you know that you don't know anymore, all your previous knowledge has been evaporated. There is a very good practice in Zen to cultivate the 'don't know' mind. If you like, read this http://www.kwanumzen.org/about-zen/three-letters-to-a-beginner/ LOL. By definition, TM practice means to follow the instructions (such as they are) for TM practice. That you and EmptyBill are unable to get such simple instructions and instead think that I'm serious about whether or not I've been doing TM properly or not... Fact is, TM is such that that realization has hit me many countless times over the years -as one gets more subtle in thinking, one starts to reevaluate what one has learned, and the simplest of things start to look somewhat different. Eventually, one comes to the understanding that, like the mantra, the instructions have remained the same, but our perception of them/it has changed. And yet, YOU and EmptyBill seem to not have gotten this simple issue, either for TM, where it should be the most obvious, or anything else, for that matter, or so I surmise. L
[FairfieldLife] Re: Please snip your posts when possible
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: The message you requested is temporarily unavailable because this group has exceeded its download limit. http://help.yahoo.com/kb/index?page=contenty=PROD_GRPSlocale=en_USid=SLN4059impressions=true I have been getting the same message, on some browsers, on others it worked, until I noticed it works when you log in. Otherwise, if you want to just read, try this mirror http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com/ There is a time delay, but usually neglect-able. But for readability, I'm a friend of snipping posts, yet, I notice that some here, think you should quote them fully, as if you would censor what they were writing, if you snip. Unfortunately, the yahoo system does not always make it clear to which post you are responding. There are numbers for posts, but they are not quoted, you could do that manually, or post the link to the post you are responding to. Thanks for the tips. You're right. I saw the download limit message this morning. I logged in and everything is AOK. My bad for bringing up the topic perhaps in error. Still, cleaning up a long thread that trails into infinity with a lot of unnecessary 's is generally good form. A long conversation that tidies up 's is fine by me. Also, eat your ^^'s it's good for your ii's.
[FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS's instruction on silent awareness during meditation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: Oh dear, for the last 39 years I've been doing TM improperly. The horror. Lawson, that's the dawn of knowledge, when you know that you don't know anymore, all your previous knowledge has been evaporated. There is a very good practice in Zen to cultivate the 'don't know' mind. If you like, read this http://www.kwanumzen.org/about-zen/three-letters-to-a-beginner/ I have been practicing TM for a long time, and I do think this 'don't know' mind has come about. A long long time ago I learned mindfulness, and found at that time it was rather difficult, or perhaps because my mind would not settle down then, annoying. Lately though the character of TM and mindfulness just seem to have merged; it does not matter anymore. It does not matter whether the mantra is there or not, or if I notice that the mantra is not there, it does not matter if I start it again or not. It actually seems as if there are no subtle levels of the mantra at all. I think it helps to find alternative explanations, to try to find different ways to explain the same thing. This is easy to do with metaphysics because there are no facts. The scientist Richard Feynman would attack physics problems this way, he would try to find alternative ways to explain various phenomena, and of course he was ultimately constrained by facts, what the experiments showed. This keeps thinking more flexible, and when you do this, you are breaking the potential for doctrinaire ossification of belief. You step outside on a fine sunny day and there is all this stuff and instead of saying, 'Well, there is a pond, and trees, and clouds'; you just feel 'Wow!', And then if that could be expressed in more concrete conceptual terms it might be something like 'What is all this?'. A certain freshness imbues experience because you do not know what is going to happen and you are not thinking about what things are and what they might become.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM, the Dome Badge, and Religious Practices
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@... wrote: I wondered how long it would be before the Nazis got dragged into it. Just one stop after the Stasi, it seems. I'm not sure about the Nazis getting dragged into it. Seems more like the dome police are emulating all sorts of tyrants through the ages and the comparison is a natural one. But, I am only going by Buck's description here of what seems to be a very unhealthy situation in good old Fairfield I-O-I-AY. I saw a bit of this when I was involved with Robin, the kind of knee-jerk TM reaction to anyone showing the gumption and (sometimes crazy) things we got up to that went against the movement norm. The TM movement owns the domes and pays for them. The dome badge is free. No, it is not free. People obviously give up a lot of things to be able to have one. The movement therefore makes the rules, and it can make them any way it chooses. Those who don't like it don't have to go. It's really very simple. Not so simple if you really look at it. Look at the rules, look at the reasons behind why those rules might be put into place, look at the reaction or non-reaction of those dome-badge wearers who are effected by these rules. Study for a minute the ramifications of these types of rules and you will start to see that it is not so simple and that people who adhere to these policies are actively encouraging this kind of mind police/controlling/manipulating/fear-provoking tyrannical bullshit. Not my bag, baby. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Om, waht oh. I may lose my Dome badge, again. I got called in by the chief inspector the other day over my religious activities with non-TM pundits. If it goes badly they'll take my Dome badge away, again. It is still in the balance but it is an interesting thing; they have these anti-religious practices paragraphs in the Dome meditation admission guidelines that are a snare. The paragraphs are part of a business plan to coerce people to use TM movement joytish astrology and yagya services more exclusively by using the dome admission as a punishment. I had an hour long interview in the Peace Palace the other day. Some committee that I'll not see will adjudicate my case. We have something in our files, tell us about it. How do the TM inspectors [had a good laugh typing that] find out you are using non-approved services? Is there a supergrass in FF? And what the hell business do you think it is of theirs? Hope you tell them to stuff their stupid dome badge. Really, what is the point of all this if this is the sort of positivity that TM creates? Sal, how? The 'course office' works it like East German Secret Police Stasi doing case work. They work it all the time. Search local papers for leads, the internet, make interviews, hear conversations in the Domes or meal hall on campus or around, some people also feel it their duty to tell them things, and then they squeeze people. They make files and network the files. These are TM career people who are very good at what they do. These are apparatchiks who are unquestioningly loyal subordinates. For them it is about enforcing the guidelines. If they had better guidelines they would enforce them too. It is a lot like being confronted with that German officer investigator actor in Inglorious Bastards. http://voices.yahoo.com/inglorious-bastards-using-tarantinos-movie-teaching-5616344.html That's the course office and the system that set it up. Evidently it is the best we have to work with. Wow Buck, you put up with a lot in order to be able to meditate in the Dome and operate within the confines of the TM secret police. I had no idea. If any of this had been going on back in 1976-1980 I would have been out of there, real fast. I guess what you gain is worth this kind of terrible, freedom-squelching monitoring? Is this for real? I haven't been paying attention or following any of this at FFL so I am a bit shocked now that I actually read one of these posts. I guess you need the collective group energy that the dome provides when you do your siddhis? You couldn't just sort of hop around in your own home and essentially be flipping these Nazi's a bird at the same time as you burn your dome badge? Jeezuz, I would love to be in Fairfield just to give these assholes a run for their money. I could think of all sorts of fun scenarios because, frankly, I wouldn't give a damn and just the opportunity to raise a couple of hackles on
[FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS's instruction on silent awareness during meditation
Determining whether or not the mantra is subtle isn't part of TM practice. Nor does it matter that it doesn't matter. If you're doing TM, then you follow the instructions, if you don't follow the instructions, such as they are, then you're not doing TM. Of course, follow the instructions can be kind of vauge sometimes, but that's as OK as any other part of the process. As long as you can think a thought, you can meditate. L. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: Oh dear, for the last 39 years I've been doing TM improperly. The horror. Lawson, that's the dawn of knowledge, when you know that you don't know anymore, all your previous knowledge has been evaporated. There is a very good practice in Zen to cultivate the 'don't know' mind. If you like, read this http://www.kwanumzen.org/about-zen/three-letters-to-a-beginner/ I have been practicing TM for a long time, and I do think this 'don't know' mind has come about. A long long time ago I learned mindfulness, and found at that time it was rather difficult, or perhaps because my mind would not settle down then, annoying. Lately though the character of TM and mindfulness just seem to have merged; it does not matter anymore. It does not matter whether the mantra is there or not, or if I notice that the mantra is not there, it does not matter if I start it again or not. It actually seems as if there are no subtle levels of the mantra at all. I think it helps to find alternative explanations, to try to find different ways to explain the same thing. This is easy to do with metaphysics because there are no facts. The scientist Richard Feynman would attack physics problems this way, he would try to find alternative ways to explain various phenomena, and of course he was ultimately constrained by facts, what the experiments showed. This keeps thinking more flexible, and when you do this, you are breaking the potential for doctrinaire ossification of belief. You step outside on a fine sunny day and there is all this stuff and instead of saying, 'Well, there is a pond, and trees, and clouds'; you just feel 'Wow!', And then if that could be expressed in more concrete conceptual terms it might be something like 'What is all this?'. A certain freshness imbues experience because you do not know what is going to happen and you are not thinking about what things are and what they might become.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM, the Dome Badge, and Religious Practices
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: I wondered how long it would be before the Nazis got dragged into it. Just one stop after the Stasi, it seems. I'm not sure about the Nazis getting dragged into it. Seems more like the dome police are emulating all sorts of tyrants through the ages and the comparison is a natural one. What other tyrants did you have in mind? The comparison is not a natural one at all, but a very silly one. But, I am only going by Buck's description here of what seems to be a very unhealthy situation in good old Fairfield I-O-I-AY. I saw a bit of this when I was involved with Robin, the kind of knee-jerk TM reaction to anyone showing the gumption and (sometimes crazy) things we got up to that went against the movement norm. The TM movement owns the domes and pays for them. The dome badge is free. No, it is not free. People obviously give up a lot of things to be able to have one. I'm afraid you are incorrect. As I said, the dome badge is free. And the movement pays for the upkeep of the dome, including the nice air conditioning that people enjoy. No one is asked for any money. If you were to live here and ask people, What have you given up to be in the dome? they would look at you blankly. People give up their time, that's all. The movement therefore makes the rules, and it can make them any way it chooses. Those who don't like it don't have to go. It's really very simple. Not so simple if you really look at it. Look at the rules, look at the reasons behind why those rules might be put into place, look at the reaction or non-reaction of those dome-badge wearers who are effected by these rules. Study for a minute the ramifications of these types of rules and you will start to see that it is not so simple and that people who adhere to these policies are actively encouraging this kind of mind police/controlling/manipulating/fear-provoking tyrannical bullshit. Not my bag, baby. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Om, waht oh. I may lose my Dome badge, again. I got called in by the chief inspector the other day over my religious activities with non-TM pundits. If it goes badly they'll take my Dome badge away, again. It is still in the balance but it is an interesting thing; they have these anti-religious practices paragraphs in the Dome meditation admission guidelines that are a snare. The paragraphs are part of a business plan to coerce people to use TM movement joytish astrology and yagya services more exclusively by using the dome admission as a punishment. I had an hour long interview in the Peace Palace the other day. Some committee that I'll not see will adjudicate my case. We have something in our files, tell us about it. How do the TM inspectors [had a good laugh typing that] find out you are using non-approved services? Is there a supergrass in FF? And what the hell business do you think it is of theirs? Hope you tell them to stuff their stupid dome badge. Really, what is the point of all this if this is the sort of positivity that TM creates? Sal, how? The 'course office' works it like East German Secret Police Stasi doing case work. They work it all the time. Search local papers for leads, the internet, make interviews, hear conversations in the Domes or meal hall on campus or around, some people also feel it their duty to tell them things, and then they squeeze people. They make files and network the files. These are TM career people who are very good at what they do. These are apparatchiks who are unquestioningly loyal subordinates. For them it is about enforcing the guidelines. If they had better guidelines they would enforce them too. It is a lot like being confronted with that German officer investigator actor in Inglorious Bastards. http://voices.yahoo.com/inglorious-bastards-using-tarantinos-movie-teaching-5616344.html That's the course office and the system that set it up. Evidently it is the best we have to work with. Wow Buck, you put up with a lot in order to be able to meditate in the Dome and operate within the confines of the TM secret police. I had no idea. If any of this had been going on back in 1976-1980 I would have been out of there, real fast. I guess what you gain is worth this kind of terrible, freedom-squelching monitoring? Is this for
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM, the Dome Badge, and Religious Practices
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@... wrote: The TM movement owns the domes and pays for them. The dome badge is free. The movement therefore makes the rules, and it can make them any way it chooses. Those who don't like it don't have to go. It's really very simple. Do you also feel that Chick-Fil-A restaurants, which have gone on record lately as having a *very* anti-gay stance, should be able to discriminate against gay customers, and refuse to serve them? They own the restaurants, after all, and thus make the rules. How 'bout restaurants or other establishments in New York who feel that they don't like the practices or philosophy of Orthodox Jews. Should they be allowed to make the rules and be able to refuse to serve them as well? How would you feel if the manufacturer of your car stipulated that you had to have it serviced *only* by one of their dealers, and that going to see any other mechanic would invalidate your warranty and allow them to write you (and your car) off? I'm just curious as to how far your they own the property so they get to make the rules philosophy goes. SHOULD they be able to discriminate on the basis of religious practice? What happens if tomorrow they decide that it's not just competing pundits and astrologers who are taboo, but seeing medical doctors? After all, we all know that Ayurveda is much better. The parallels people are drawing to the Stazi are correct, by the way, in that both organizations felt that it was their RIGHT to conduct investigations into people's lives and how they chose to live them. Comparisons to Nazis (which as far as I could tell no one made but you) are incorrect because in my book the Nazis were amateurs. If you want an accurate parallel, you have to go back to the Inquisition. The purpose of *their* trials and investigations was the same as the TMO's. It *wasn't* to punish the transgressors themselves. It was to stage a public display of punishing them, to scare other people into not doing what the transgressors did to get punished. This philosophy is right there in print in the manuals of the Inquisition. I suggest that the Inquisition mindset is a *very* accurate parallel to what the dome administrators are doing. And that they're doing it for the same reasons that the Inquisitors did. When your religion or spiritual practice can no longer attract and hold believers on its own merits, you have to scare and intimidate them into sticking around.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Personal love is concentrated universal love MMY
Dear Feste, I realize this issue has been discussed in greater detail since you wrote this; however I would just like to give you my impressions as they formed inside of me when first reading your post. We have to think of James Holmes, himself: If there is a conscience there, if he is capable of remorse, if he is not insane, then what is significant is the experience he has of himself and the act he performed *now*. What did he anticipate would be his sensation and experience once he killed all those human beings? How did he *actually* feel during the act and immediately afterwards? These are important questions. Questions, then, to ask him. How does he view himself now that he has become a mass murderer? Is he only thinking of *how can I get out of this with my life*? To what extent does he now think that, above all: I must create some ambiguity about myself, how sane I am, what I am all about? because, Feste, if there is anything vulnerable or real inside of him as a human being, the most important consideration has to be: Can this human being realize the enormity of what he has done? can he experience some revulsion and horror inside himself which even in some minimal way is proportionate to what he has done? What kind of approach to him would permit him the maximum objective experience of himself in the realization of the unspeakable suffering he has inflicted on so many other human beings who did nothing to deserve their terrible fate at his hands? Although I recognize that Share can in some sense make her 'unconditional love' the primary focus of her attention, that is not something I can do. Not at this stage of the story at least. As you say, Only God can love unconditionally. For me, the substance of this idealForgive James Holmes but lock him upmust have something more than mere intention behind it. It must be a biochemical reality inside the person who aspires to these feelings for James Holmes; which is to say, that this unconditional love must be an element in the equation which can rise in some sense to the level of intrinsic significance of the trauma and shock and agony of those who have been directly affected by this event. If Share's unconditional love, as measured and experienced in juxtaposition to the other feelings engendered in this tragedy: anger, horror, shock, grief, trauma, pain,*makes itself felt inside the universe*, even inside the subconscious of some of us, then perhaps that indeed is a very profound thing. But we don't *ask* the victims (those who lived, and the loved ones of those who died) to experience agony and sorrowthe event produces these feelings. So, if God deems unconditional love a worthy, even a desirable feeling to be expressedby someone like Share at least,then we should be able to sense its potential potency and relevance to this situation. I do believe, Festeunlike you or methat Share, were she to be alone with James Holmes, just might cause him some form of compunction and contrition simply by his realizing that someone is responding to him in a way which entirely goes against everything he would expect, and that therefore this has the effect of shocking him into some more innocent awareness of just what he has done. But for this to happen *he would have to experience how real this feeling is that is being directed at him by the heart of Share*. Feste:Very nice piece of writing, Robin. I share your deep reservations about Share's apparent intention/instruction to love this man James Holmes unconditionally, as well as her earlier comment that she forgives him. For a start, I don't see how you can love unconditionally someone you have never met. It is something that is too easy to say, and it sounds glib. I would have more respect for it if it came from someone who has been directly affected by this man's rampage. Otherwise, it is meaningless, just a piece of New Age fakery. Only God can love unconditionally. If I think about this individual, this James Holmes, I feel more as you do. I am puzzled. I cannot comprehend what is in this man's mind. There is a great divide that I cannot cross over in trying to understand why someone would do this. It is unfathomable. My attitude is: first must come understanding, then perhaps, at a later time, forgiveness and love. Perhaps. Or perhaps never, who knows? I would sooner be honest about it than hide behind idealistic platitudes that have no real meaning. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@... wrote: Dear Share, While you are negotiating a modus vivendi with other posters here at FFL I feel that the intimacy of what we are enjoying in our extended conversation will somehow be compromised if I should return to that post right away. So I am leaving it until you ask me to answer you as Robin6. :-) I think what everyone senses on FFL, Share, is that you are unwilling to contradict your philosophy by finding yourself dealing out
[FairfieldLife] yahooooooooooooooooooooooo!
Heard in shoe room of women's Dome this morning: it got up to 110F 43C yesterday! This morning it was 72F 22C! Plus it rained! And continues to be cloudy. Ok, I don't give a fickity fick who gets the credit. This pitta person is just happy. And more comfy. Hope our sun went to mount meru, etc.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM, the Dome Badge, and Religious Practices
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Hi Ann and Buck, I'm baffled by all this. I was totally out of the Dome for 7 years, 2003 to 2010. During that time I openly participated in lots of stuff in FF, including Waking Down in Mutuality for about 3 years. But I had no trouble getting back into the Dome. No interrogation room, etc. Also through Amma's org, I've been having planetary pujas done for a while now plus use her jyotishis. Movement got too expensive and wanted a person to supply family info also. Too much of a hassle. And even when I was a grad student on campus, I was open about participating in David Deida tantric workshops. Again no interrogation room, no subtle threats, etc. All I can figure is that they let me alone because I'm just a sidha, not a gov. But I don't know for sure. Now that I'm back in the Dome, sometimes friends on campus aren't as friendly as they were. Sometimes that hurts. But I sort of understand. And I have friends in town. TSR dontcha know. Town Super Radiance. And jokingly means taking seminars regularly. OTOH, truth in jest, etc.  Share in town and in Dome... Dear Share, My take on all this policing of persons who go outside of the spiritual resources sanctioned by the TM Movement is pretty simple. Those who devise and enforce these rules (which originated in Maharishi himself) are going by their first experience of what TM and Maharishi represented: This is The Way; there is no other way that compares to the TM-Maharishi way. TM is defined as the simplest and most natural technique to take one to the deepest level of one's very beingthere is no other practice which is defined mechanically and objectively such as to afford the most efficient way of transcendingthere are no competitors here. The most profound realization one has when one is made a teacher of TM by Maharishi, is: this is It. There isn't anything else. And if TM cannot do what it says it doestake one to the level of pure consciousnessthen we are selling a product which does not do what we say it does. Any compromise on this policy of guarding the purity of the teaching will mean the gradual corruption of TM and the dilution of Maharishi's Teaching, That is one thing that Maharishi was able to do that no other teacher in our lifetime has been able to do: Make us experience that he was the very best, the only one, and that what he was giving to us was coming directly from reality or God or the source of creative intelligence. Any flexibility, reasonableness, tolerance here just makes no sense at allunless the people at the top are giving up their claim to the exclusiveness of TM as being the most beautiful way to transcend that is available anywhere. I refer readers (who have done TM) to their first TM experience. How it happened; what the process was like; how they experienced the mantra working inside of them. The very miraculous innocenceand profundityof this experience signifies: No competition will be allowedbecause what could produce an experience equal to the one you first had when you started TM? I don't say the policy is justified on the basis of TM being what Maharishi made us believe it was, and what our experiencesat least for awhileconfirmed, because of course I don't think that TM and Maharishi have continued to get the grace and support which would indicate that reality and God still think they are It. But in terms of the truth of one's devotion to one's Master, and Maharishi brilliant and unchallengeable authority to persuade us of his preeminent position and status in Creationand his gift to us in the form of his spiritual technologywhat the TMO is doing in being careful about vetting persons who meditate in the Dome is not only reasonable, it is entirely truthful to their conscience, their understanding of the will of Maharishi, and their own sense of what is the right thing to do. This behaviour on the part of those who wield this authority over meditators is irreproachable in my estimation. Of course if these persons believed that there was another path to God, to the Self, to enlightenment, then the enforcement of these policies would be subject to moral scrutiny. Inside the context of what they deem as truth and the means of not betraying the wishes of their Master, they are behaving entirely appropriatelyThere simply is no argument to be made against them whatsoever. From: awoelflebater no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 11:02 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM, the Dome Badge, and Religious Practices  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM, the Dome Badge, and Religious Practices
Dear Share, I should just say that in the case of myself I thought I was *completing Maharishi's Teaching*, that my enlightenment produced a context for individual metaphysical drama which had not been anticipated before I went up on that mountain in September 1976But for all that, *was an innocent as TM*. Indeed, I felt that the form my enlightenment tookin terms of this theatre of individuation of the soulwas the fulfillment of the TM experiencethe original one. Certainly when I began to act as a person in Unity, my experience was that the whole universe was getting behind my enlightenment project And I was very anxious, therefore, that Maharishi would eventually endorse what I was doingexplicitly, formally. I never thought of myself as deviating from the purity of the teaching. I thought I was taking the next evolutionary step within the context of TM and Maharishi. It didn't quite work out that way; but when persons were punishedexpelled from MIUfor attending my seminars, I thought this was just the drama which would precede the eventual joyful consummation. I was wrong in every sense, of course. But I thought I should mention how I exempt myself from having been any kind of interloper or foreign influence within the TM Movement. I remained utterly devoted to Maharishi right up until I determined that my enlightenment was a form of profound mystical deceitfulness, a perfect hallucination. Robin --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Hi Ann and Buck, I'm baffled by all this. I was totally out of the Dome for 7 years, 2003 to 2010. During that time I openly participated in lots of stuff in FF, including Waking Down in Mutuality for about 3 years. But I had no trouble getting back into the Dome. No interrogation room, etc. Also through Amma's org, I've been having planetary pujas done for a while now plus use her jyotishis. Movement got too expensive and wanted a person to supply family info also. Too much of a hassle. And even when I was a grad student on campus, I was open about participating in David Deida tantric workshops. Again no interrogation room, no subtle threats, etc. All I can figure is that they let me alone because I'm just a sidha, not a gov. But I don't know for sure. Now that I'm back in the Dome, sometimes friends on campus aren't as friendly as they were. Sometimes that hurts. But I sort of understand. And I have friends in town. TSR dontcha know. Town Super Radiance. And jokingly means taking seminars regularly. OTOH, truth in jest, etc.  Share in town and in Dome... Dear Share, My take on all this policing of persons who go outside of the spiritual resources sanctioned by the TM Movement is pretty simple. Those who devise and enforce these rules (which originated in Maharishi himself) are going by their first experience of what TM and Maharishi represented: This is The Way; there is no other way that compares to the TM-Maharishi way. TM is defined as the simplest and most natural technique to take one to the deepest level of one's very beingthere is no other practice which is defined mechanically and objectively such as to afford the most efficient way of transcendingthere are no competitors here. The most profound realization one has when one is made a teacher of TM by Maharishi, is: this is It. There isn't anything else. And if TM cannot do what it says it doestake one to the level of pure consciousnessthen we are selling a product which does not do what we say it does. Any compromise on this policy of guarding the purity of the teaching will mean the gradual corruption of TM and the dilution of Maharishi's Teaching, That is one thing that Maharishi was able to do that no other teacher in our lifetime has been able to do: Make us experience that he was the very best, the only one, and that what he was giving to us was coming directly from reality or God or the source of creative intelligence. Any flexibility, reasonableness, tolerance here just makes no sense at allunless the people at the top are giving up their claim to the exclusiveness of TM as being the most beautiful way to transcend that is available anywhere. I refer readers (who have done TM) to their first TM experience. How it happened; what the process was like; how they experienced the mantra working inside of them. The very miraculous innocenceand profundityof this experience signifies: No competition will be allowedbecause what could produce an experience equal to the one you first had when you started TM? I don't say the policy is justified on the basis of TM being what Maharishi made us believe it was, and what our experiencesat least for awhileconfirmed, because of course I don't think that TM and Maharishi have continued to get the grace and support which would indicate
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[FairfieldLife] Re: TM, the Dome Badge, and Religious Practices
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: I wondered how long it would be before the Nazis got dragged into it. Just one stop after the Stasi, it seems. I'm not sure about the Nazis getting dragged into it. Seems more like the dome police are emulating all sorts of tyrants through the ages and the comparison is a natural one. What other tyrants did you have in mind? The comparison is not a natural one at all, but a very silly one. I will define tyrants, in this case, as those who are in a position of power and who choose to exercise that power by attempting to control not only someone's movements but their choice of who to read, listen to or see that are spiritually different or at odds with what and who these tyrants believe someone should adhere to exclusively (TM). I believe it is tyrannical because they are determining in a simplistic and fundamentalist way, without understanding any of the complexity of what should go into determining a stance that they embrace, what others should do in their lives. I don't care if they think they are following MMY's, their Master's, desire that the TM teachings remain pure. It has nothing to do with keeping these teachings pure; just because someone doesn't expose themselves to other spiritual paths does not necessarily mean that they will be pure or unadulterated in their practices with regard to TM and the Siddhis. But, I am only going by Buck's description here of what seems to be a very unhealthy situation in good old Fairfield I-O-I-AY. I saw a bit of this when I was involved with Robin, the kind of knee-jerk TM reaction to anyone showing the gumption and (sometimes crazy) things we got up to that went against the movement norm. The TM movement owns the domes and pays for them. The dome badge is free. No, it is not free. People obviously give up a lot of things to be able to have one. I'm afraid you are incorrect. As I said, the dome badge is free. And I reiterate that nothing is free, least of all this dome badge. As you are well aware, I am not talking about money here. And the movement pays for the upkeep of the dome, including the nice air conditioning that people enjoy. The movement is like the government. They survive thanks to the monies generated by selling other services or charging for things which the people have paid for (in the government's case by implementing taxes). This is not some benevolent entity who has just chosen to shower freebies on all those willing to give up other personal rights. But that is not my argument. There is nothing wrong with charging, somewhere along the line, for what ultimately provides a service to many (air conditioned domes). No one is asked for any money. If you were to live here and ask people, What have you given up to be in the dome? they would look at you blankly. People give up their time, that's all. That is, apparently, all you feel you, personally, have given up so maybe you are not aware of what others feel they have had to abandon or have had to lie about or sneak around. It obviously works for you but I am not so sure you would be defending this kind of strange paranoiac atmosphere and sense of dread that some others obviously feel as a result of investigating other teachings. However, I will admit I know very little of all of this and am only responding based on the post I saw of Buck's. But what little I read there seemed to speak volumes of what goes on around there and I find it incredible. The movement therefore makes the rules, and it can make them any way it chooses. Those who don't like it don't have to go. It's really very simple. Not so simple if you really look at it. Look at the rules, look at the reasons behind why those rules might be put into place, look at the reaction or non-reaction of those dome-badge wearers who are effected by these rules. Study for a minute the ramifications of these types of rules and you will start to see that it is not so simple and that people who adhere to these policies are actively encouraging this kind of mind police/controlling/manipulating/fear-provoking tyrannical bullshit. Not my bag, baby. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Om, waht oh. I may lose my Dome badge, again. I got called in by the chief inspector the other day over my religious activities with non-TM pundits. If it goes badly they'll take my Dome
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Romney is no horseman, nowhere near.
Wow! Class envy from a *yogi*. Dipping that cloth in yellow die doen't do any good if you follow up with a dip in clorox bleach. From: Buck dhamiltony...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2012 5:41 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Romney is no horseman, nowhere near. --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: It explains a lot. Romney's a damn tin-horn back peddling from his horse. http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/07/26/a-horse-at-the-olympics-but-romney-will-be-nowhere-near/ All thru history great leaders have been great horsemen. It shows a good human to be a good horseman. If this guy were a good horseman he'd have been up there and taken a picture of himself on that horse and shown it. -Buck
[FairfieldLife] Re: Tantrum Yoga
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: By the way, did your check from the Dalai Lama this week include a bonus for having taunted a certain TB into posting out? Mine did. Gotta do that more often, the economy being what it is. Well, I got only the half amount I usually get :-( because he said I had to share it with Buck, who just has to honestly post the latest on-goings in the Domes... More seriously, isn't it fascinating that some would rather believe that anyone who doesn't buy into the ludicrous TM dogma on this forum is doing so because they were paid to do so by some nefarious Buddhist leader such as the Dalai Lama? As opposed to merely stating personal opinions arrived at by using a facility they gave up years or decades ago -- being able to think for oneself. The Dalai Lama is so popular, in my country he is more popular than the pope - and the pope is from my country. I'm not surprised that they in Poland, being perhaps the poorest and most backward country in the EU, believe in the woo-woo of a monk with funny hats. They'll believe in anything except progress. If you want your wallet or car stolen; statistically Poland is the best place for a tourist to visit.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM, the Dome Badge, and Religious Practices
I have no intention of debating you further on this. What I like in your post is the sentence I will admit I know very little of all of this. Exactly. I couldn't have put it better myself. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: I wondered how long it would be before the Nazis got dragged into it. Just one stop after the Stasi, it seems. I'm not sure about the Nazis getting dragged into it. Seems more like the dome police are emulating all sorts of tyrants through the ages and the comparison is a natural one. What other tyrants did you have in mind? The comparison is not a natural one at all, but a very silly one. I will define tyrants, in this case, as those who are in a position of power and who choose to exercise that power by attempting to control not only someone's movements but their choice of who to read, listen to or see that are spiritually different or at odds with what and who these tyrants believe someone should adhere to exclusively (TM). I believe it is tyrannical because they are determining in a simplistic and fundamentalist way, without understanding any of the complexity of what should go into determining a stance that they embrace, what others should do in their lives. I don't care if they think they are following MMY's, their Master's, desire that the TM teachings remain pure. It has nothing to do with keeping these teachings pure; just because someone doesn't expose themselves to other spiritual paths does not necessarily mean that they will be pure or unadulterated in their practices with regard to TM and the Siddhis. But, I am only going by Buck's description here of what seems to be a very unhealthy situation in good old Fairfield I-O-I-AY. I saw a bit of this when I was involved with Robin, the kind of knee-jerk TM reaction to anyone showing the gumption and (sometimes crazy) things we got up to that went against the movement norm. The TM movement owns the domes and pays for them. The dome badge is free. No, it is not free. People obviously give up a lot of things to be able to have one. I'm afraid you are incorrect. As I said, the dome badge is free. And I reiterate that nothing is free, least of all this dome badge. As you are well aware, I am not talking about money here. And the movement pays for the upkeep of the dome, including the nice air conditioning that people enjoy. The movement is like the government. They survive thanks to the monies generated by selling other services or charging for things which the people have paid for (in the government's case by implementing taxes). This is not some benevolent entity who has just chosen to shower freebies on all those willing to give up other personal rights. But that is not my argument. There is nothing wrong with charging, somewhere along the line, for what ultimately provides a service to many (air conditioned domes). No one is asked for any money. If you were to live here and ask people, What have you given up to be in the dome? they would look at you blankly. People give up their time, that's all. That is, apparently, all you feel you, personally, have given up so maybe you are not aware of what others feel they have had to abandon or have had to lie about or sneak around. It obviously works for you but I am not so sure you would be defending this kind of strange paranoiac atmosphere and sense of dread that some others obviously feel as a result of investigating other teachings. However, I will admit I know very little of all of this and am only responding based on the post I saw of Buck's. But what little I read there seemed to speak volumes of what goes on around there and I find it incredible. The movement therefore makes the rules, and it can make them any way it chooses. Those who don't like it don't have to go. It's really very simple. Not so simple if you really look at it. Look at the rules, look at the reasons behind why those rules might be put into place, look at the reaction or non-reaction of those dome-badge wearers who are effected by these rules. Study for a minute the ramifications of these types of rules and you will start to see that it is not so simple and that people who adhere to these policies are actively encouraging this kind of mind police/controlling/manipulating/fear-provoking tyrannical bullshit. Not my bag, baby. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote:
Re: [FairfieldLife] Please snip your posts when possible
On 07/25/2012 08:40 PM, raunchydog wrote: I've been busy, not much time to post so I take a quick peek at messages on my browser. Lately I've seen this pop up a few times: The message you requested is temporarily unavailable because this group has exceeded its download limit. http://help.yahoo.com/kb/index?page=contenty=PROD_GRPSlocale=en_USid=SLN4059impressions=true That's probably just another one of Yahoo's many bugs. Text is not very much data. Pictures are though. ;-) Or the new boss at Yahoo is planning to get rid of groups or charge us for them.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM, the Dome Badge, and Religious Practices
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@... wrote: The TM movement owns the domes and pays for them. The dome badge is free. The movement therefore makes the rules, and it can make them any way it chooses. Those who don't like it don't have to go. It's really very simple. Bingo !
[FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS's instruction on silent awareness during meditation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: I have been practicing TM for a long time, and I do think this 'don't know' mind has come about. A long long time ago I learned mindfulness, and found at that time it was rather difficult, or perhaps because my mind would not settle down then, annoying. Lately though the character of TM and mindfulness just seem to have merged; it does not matter anymore. It does not matter whether the mantra is there or not, or if I notice that the mantra is not there, it does not matter if I start it again or not. It actually seems as if there are no subtle levels of the mantra at all. I think it helps to find alternative explanations, .. or better still: Get a checking !
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM, the Dome Badge, and Religious Practices
Had you read the exchange a little more carefully, you would have seen that it was another poster who made the comparison to the Nazis. I merely commented on it. As to the questions you ask, I think that organizations should comply with the law, but I am unaware of any law that the TM movement is breaking with its dome policies. As far as I can tell, there is a document that people sign when they accept a dome badge that sets out the conditions under which the badge is issued to them. If people don't adhere to those conditions, they can have little complaint if a decision is made to exclude them. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: The TM movement owns the domes and pays for them. The dome badge is free. The movement therefore makes the rules, and it can make them any way it chooses. Those who don't like it don't have to go. It's really very simple. Do you also feel that Chick-Fil-A restaurants, which have gone on record lately as having a *very* anti-gay stance, should be able to discriminate against gay customers, and refuse to serve them? They own the restaurants, after all, and thus make the rules. How 'bout restaurants or other establishments in New York who feel that they don't like the practices or philosophy of Orthodox Jews. Should they be allowed to make the rules and be able to refuse to serve them as well? How would you feel if the manufacturer of your car stipulated that you had to have it serviced *only* by one of their dealers, and that going to see any other mechanic would invalidate your warranty and allow them to write you (and your car) off? I'm just curious as to how far your they own the property so they get to make the rules philosophy goes. SHOULD they be able to discriminate on the basis of religious practice? What happens if tomorrow they decide that it's not just competing pundits and astrologers who are taboo, but seeing medical doctors? After all, we all know that Ayurveda is much better. The parallels people are drawing to the Stazi are correct, by the way, in that both organizations felt that it was their RIGHT to conduct investigations into people's lives and how they chose to live them. Comparisons to Nazis (which as far as I could tell no one made but you) are incorrect because in my book the Nazis were amateurs. If you want an accurate parallel, you have to go back to the Inquisition. The purpose of *their* trials and investigations was the same as the TMO's. It *wasn't* to punish the transgressors themselves. It was to stage a public display of punishing them, to scare other people into not doing what the transgressors did to get punished. This philosophy is right there in print in the manuals of the Inquisition. I suggest that the Inquisition mindset is a *very* accurate parallel to what the dome administrators are doing. And that they're doing it for the same reasons that the Inquisitors did. When your religion or spiritual practice can no longer attract and hold believers on its own merits, you have to scare and intimidate them into sticking around.
[FairfieldLife] TM newsletter from India
http://www.e-gyan.net/ the current issue starts out in HIndu-Urdi, then continues in English. The archived newsletters seem to also be a mixture of the two languages. I didn't see anything that leapt out as especially interesting, but the fact that it is what TMers in India (the subscribers number 300,000 I believe) see is interesting in and of itself. L
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM, the Dome Badge, and Religious Practices
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@... wrote: I have no intention of debating you further on this. What I like in your post is the sentence I will admit I know very little of all of this. Exactly. I couldn't have put it better myself. No debates, you obviously love it there and are very content to live within the rules. I think I'll stay in British Columbia. I'm not sure Fairfield would know what to do with me anyway. I've already been kicked off that campus more than once and banned permanently but it might be interesting to see what they could come up with in 2012. Hmmm... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: I wondered how long it would be before the Nazis got dragged into it. Just one stop after the Stasi, it seems. I'm not sure about the Nazis getting dragged into it. Seems more like the dome police are emulating all sorts of tyrants through the ages and the comparison is a natural one. What other tyrants did you have in mind? The comparison is not a natural one at all, but a very silly one. I will define tyrants, in this case, as those who are in a position of power and who choose to exercise that power by attempting to control not only someone's movements but their choice of who to read, listen to or see that are spiritually different or at odds with what and who these tyrants believe someone should adhere to exclusively (TM). I believe it is tyrannical because they are determining in a simplistic and fundamentalist way, without understanding any of the complexity of what should go into determining a stance that they embrace, what others should do in their lives. I don't care if they think they are following MMY's, their Master's, desire that the TM teachings remain pure. It has nothing to do with keeping these teachings pure; just because someone doesn't expose themselves to other spiritual paths does not necessarily mean that they will be pure or unadulterated in their practices with regard to TM and the Siddhis. But, I am only going by Buck's description here of what seems to be a very unhealthy situation in good old Fairfield I-O-I-AY. I saw a bit of this when I was involved with Robin, the kind of knee-jerk TM reaction to anyone showing the gumption and (sometimes crazy) things we got up to that went against the movement norm. The TM movement owns the domes and pays for them. The dome badge is free. No, it is not free. People obviously give up a lot of things to be able to have one. I'm afraid you are incorrect. As I said, the dome badge is free. And I reiterate that nothing is free, least of all this dome badge. As you are well aware, I am not talking about money here. And the movement pays for the upkeep of the dome, including the nice air conditioning that people enjoy. The movement is like the government. They survive thanks to the monies generated by selling other services or charging for things which the people have paid for (in the government's case by implementing taxes). This is not some benevolent entity who has just chosen to shower freebies on all those willing to give up other personal rights. But that is not my argument. There is nothing wrong with charging, somewhere along the line, for what ultimately provides a service to many (air conditioned domes). No one is asked for any money. If you were to live here and ask people, What have you given up to be in the dome? they would look at you blankly. People give up their time, that's all. That is, apparently, all you feel you, personally, have given up so maybe you are not aware of what others feel they have had to abandon or have had to lie about or sneak around. It obviously works for you but I am not so sure you would be defending this kind of strange paranoiac atmosphere and sense of dread that some others obviously feel as a result of investigating other teachings. However, I will admit I know very little of all of this and am only responding based on the post I saw of Buck's. But what little I read there seemed to speak volumes of what goes on around there and I find it incredible. The movement therefore makes the rules, and it can make them any way it chooses. Those who don't like it don't have to go. It's really very simple. Not so simple if you really look at it. Look at the rules, look at the reasons behind why those rules might be put into place, look at the reaction or non-reaction of those dome-badge wearers who are
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM, the Dome Badge, and Religious Practices
Actually, I live within my own rules, which are not those of the TM movement. I do not go to the dome and do not have a valid badge, although I have no reason to believe I would be denied one, should I decide to apply. I just happen to think that the movement is entitled to set its own policies for dome attendance, and if some people find them unreasonable they can choose to stay away. If some people think the TM movement is illegally excluding certain people, then it is up to them to make a legal challenge. If such a challenge were to be upheld, then obviously the movement would have to reexamine its policies, but I doubt whether it would be. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: I have no intention of debating you further on this. What I like in your post is the sentence I will admit I know very little of all of this. Exactly. I couldn't have put it better myself. No debates, you obviously love it there and are very content to live within the rules. I think I'll stay in British Columbia. I'm not sure Fairfield would know what to do with me anyway. I've already been kicked off that campus more than once and banned permanently but it might be interesting to see what they could come up with in 2012. Hmmm... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: I wondered how long it would be before the Nazis got dragged into it. Just one stop after the Stasi, it seems. I'm not sure about the Nazis getting dragged into it. Seems more like the dome police are emulating all sorts of tyrants through the ages and the comparison is a natural one. What other tyrants did you have in mind? The comparison is not a natural one at all, but a very silly one. I will define tyrants, in this case, as those who are in a position of power and who choose to exercise that power by attempting to control not only someone's movements but their choice of who to read, listen to or see that are spiritually different or at odds with what and who these tyrants believe someone should adhere to exclusively (TM). I believe it is tyrannical because they are determining in a simplistic and fundamentalist way, without understanding any of the complexity of what should go into determining a stance that they embrace, what others should do in their lives. I don't care if they think they are following MMY's, their Master's, desire that the TM teachings remain pure. It has nothing to do with keeping these teachings pure; just because someone doesn't expose themselves to other spiritual paths does not necessarily mean that they will be pure or unadulterated in their practices with regard to TM and the Siddhis. But, I am only going by Buck's description here of what seems to be a very unhealthy situation in good old Fairfield I-O-I-AY. I saw a bit of this when I was involved with Robin, the kind of knee-jerk TM reaction to anyone showing the gumption and (sometimes crazy) things we got up to that went against the movement norm. The TM movement owns the domes and pays for them. The dome badge is free. No, it is not free. People obviously give up a lot of things to be able to have one. I'm afraid you are incorrect. As I said, the dome badge is free. And I reiterate that nothing is free, least of all this dome badge. As you are well aware, I am not talking about money here. And the movement pays for the upkeep of the dome, including the nice air conditioning that people enjoy. The movement is like the government. They survive thanks to the monies generated by selling other services or charging for things which the people have paid for (in the government's case by implementing taxes). This is not some benevolent entity who has just chosen to shower freebies on all those willing to give up other personal rights. But that is not my argument. There is nothing wrong with charging, somewhere along the line, for what ultimately provides a service to many (air conditioned domes). No one is asked for any money. If you were to live here and ask people, What have you given up to be in the dome? they would look at you blankly. People give up their time, that's all. That is, apparently, all you feel you, personally, have given up so maybe you are not aware of what others feel they have had to abandon or have had to lie about or sneak around. It obviously
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM, the Dome Badge, and Religious Practices
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@... wrote: Actually, I live within my own rules, which are not those of the TM movement. I do not go to the dome and do not have a valid badge, although I have no reason to believe I would be denied one, should I decide to apply. I just happen to think that the movement is entitled to set its own policies for dome attendance, and if some people find them unreasonable they can choose to stay away. If some people think the TM movement is illegally excluding certain people, then it is up to them to make a legal challenge. If such a challenge were to be upheld, then obviously the movement would have to reexamine its policies, but I doubt whether it would be. Everything you say here is reasonable. I guess that is what I felt was lacking in Buck's post when he delineated some of the tactics and goings on with regard to dome admission etc. Not that Buck was unreasonable but the tactics, the mentality there of those who possess the power to exclude or include and for what reasons felt to me rather horrific. FYI, when I used the word Nazi I was actually referring to a more generic definition I found that defines 'Nazi' as, a harshly domineering, dictatorial, or intolerant person. I am also glad to know that you live by your own rules; for me, that means I have examined and continue to examine anew what I choose to embrace and uphold in my life in an ongoing way and it is subject to change at any moment. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: I have no intention of debating you further on this. What I like in your post is the sentence I will admit I know very little of all of this. Exactly. I couldn't have put it better myself. No debates, you obviously love it there and are very content to live within the rules. I think I'll stay in British Columbia. I'm not sure Fairfield would know what to do with me anyway. I've already been kicked off that campus more than once and banned permanently but it might be interesting to see what they could come up with in 2012. Hmmm... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: I wondered how long it would be before the Nazis got dragged into it. Just one stop after the Stasi, it seems. I'm not sure about the Nazis getting dragged into it. Seems more like the dome police are emulating all sorts of tyrants through the ages and the comparison is a natural one. What other tyrants did you have in mind? The comparison is not a natural one at all, but a very silly one. I will define tyrants, in this case, as those who are in a position of power and who choose to exercise that power by attempting to control not only someone's movements but their choice of who to read, listen to or see that are spiritually different or at odds with what and who these tyrants believe someone should adhere to exclusively (TM). I believe it is tyrannical because they are determining in a simplistic and fundamentalist way, without understanding any of the complexity of what should go into determining a stance that they embrace, what others should do in their lives. I don't care if they think they are following MMY's, their Master's, desire that the TM teachings remain pure. It has nothing to do with keeping these teachings pure; just because someone doesn't expose themselves to other spiritual paths does not necessarily mean that they will be pure or unadulterated in their practices with regard to TM and the Siddhis. But, I am only going by Buck's description here of what seems to be a very unhealthy situation in good old Fairfield I-O-I-AY. I saw a bit of this when I was involved with Robin, the kind of knee-jerk TM reaction to anyone showing the gumption and (sometimes crazy) things we got up to that went against the movement norm. The TM movement owns the domes and pays for them. The dome badge is free. No, it is not free. People obviously give up a lot of things to be able to have one. I'm afraid you are incorrect. As I said, the dome badge is free. And I reiterate that nothing is free, least of all this dome badge. As you are well aware, I am not talking about money here. And the movement pays for the upkeep of the dome, including the nice air conditioning that people enjoy. The movement is like
[FairfieldLife] Ramblings around Leiden
I'm still clearly in the honeymoon period w.r.t. my new town. I just love it. Sometimes it's the Little Things. Like how the primary mode of transportation is the bicycle. You are actually penalized to some extent for living in the Centrum of Leiden and having a car. To park it, you have to get a permit, which costs 40 Euros a quarter for the first car, and 80 Euros per quarter for the second car. It is a policy clearly aimed at reducing the amount of auto traffic and presence within Leiden, and it is clearly working. Living here, a car is superfluous. I still have my old but eternal Peugeot 306, but it will probably remain sitting in its parking space for the full duration of my first parking permit. I will probably never need it. Everything I need is within walking or biking distance, and both walking and biking are more fun than driving. It's sort of a no-brainer. If this happens, and I wind up not needing my car for a full quarter of the year, I will most likely sell the car. My story is kinda normal around here. Now compare it to the story of moving to a new community in most places in the United States. In how many of them could you live a quality life without a car? One of the reasons that I enjoy staying in touch with the Fairfield community is that I sense that -- should the shit hit the fan and autos not really be as avail- able or affordable as they are today -- you could prob- ably get by, and comfortably, without a car in Fairfield. I like that in a town. I could say that about several of the places I've lived, including tiny little Sauve, France, or much larger Sitges, Spain, or even larger still Santa Fe, New Mexico. It's really *neat* to live in a town that you can live in successfully and comfortably without a car. All of that said, the takeaway I have from my walk tonight is still the silence. On foot, on a bicycle, or probably even in a car, this is one of the most *silent* burbs I've ever lived in. Whatever is going on on the surface of life -- dogs barking, the rare car horn honking, party boats on the river blaring tasteless music at high volumes -- *whatever*, the silence is still there. It's like there is nothing in the environment that can *overshadow* the silence. I have no explanation for how this could be, only that it seems to be.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM, the Dome Badge, and Religious Practices
OMG! You sound Libertarian! From: feste37 fest...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2012 11:27 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM, the Dome Badge, and Religious Practices Actually, I live within my own rules, which are not those of the TM movement. I do not go to the dome and do not have a valid badge, although I have no reason to believe I would be denied one, should I decide to apply. I just happen to think that the movement is entitled to set its own policies for dome attendance, and if some people find them unreasonable they can choose to stay away. If some people think the TM movement is illegally excluding certain people, then it is up to them to make a legal challenge. If such a challenge were to be upheld, then obviously the movement would have to reexamine its policies, but I doubt whether it would be. --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@... wrote: --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: I have no intention of debating you further on this. What I like in your post is the sentence I will admit I know very little of all of this. Exactly. I couldn't have put it better myself. No debates, you obviously love it there and are very content to live within the rules. I think I'll stay in British Columbia. I'm not sure Fairfield would know what to do with me anyway. I've already been kicked off that campus more than once and banned permanently but it might be interesting to see what they could come up with in 2012. Hmmm... --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@ wrote: --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@ wrote: --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: I wondered how long it would be before the Nazis got dragged into it. Just one stop after the Stasi, it seems. I'm not sure about the Nazis getting dragged into it. Seems more like the dome police are emulating all sorts of tyrants through the ages and the comparison is a natural one. What other tyrants did you have in mind? The comparison is not a natural one at all, but a very silly one. I will define tyrants, in this case, as those who are in a position of power and who choose to exercise that power by attempting to control not only someone's movements but their choice of who to read, listen to or see that are spiritually different or at odds with what and who these tyrants believe someone should adhere to exclusively (TM). I believe it is tyrannical because they are determining in a simplistic and fundamentalist way, without understanding any of the complexity of what should go into determining a stance that they embrace, what others should do in their lives. I don't care if they think they are following MMY's, their Master's, desire that the TM teachings remain pure. It has nothing to do with keeping these teachings pure; just because someone doesn't expose themselves to other spiritual paths does not necessarily mean that they will be pure or unadulterated in their practices with regard to TM and the Siddhis. But, I am only going by Buck's description here of what seems to be a very unhealthy situation in good old Fairfield I-O-I-AY. I saw a bit of this when I was involved with Robin, the kind of knee-jerk TM reaction to anyone showing the gumption and (sometimes crazy) things we got up to that went against the movement norm. The TM movement owns the domes and pays for them. The dome badge is free. No, it is not free. People obviously give up a lot of things to be able to have one. I'm afraid you are incorrect. As I said, the dome badge is free. And I reiterate that nothing is free, least of all this dome badge. As you are well aware, I am not talking about money here. And the movement pays for the upkeep of the dome, including the nice air conditioning that people enjoy. The movement is like the government. They survive thanks to the monies generated by selling other services or charging for things which the people have paid for (in the government's case by implementing taxes). This is not some benevolent entity who has just chosen to shower freebies on all those willing to give up other personal rights. But that is not my argument. There is nothing wrong with charging, somewhere along the line, for what ultimately provides a service to many (air conditioned domes). No one is asked for any money. If you were to live here and ask people,
[FairfieldLife] Ride, Sally Ride
I've seen few people in recent years go out with as much style as Sally Ride, America's first woman in space. This is a very sweet article. Chick-Fil-A, go fuck yourselves. Sally Ride, America's first woman in space, comes out in obituaryOn Monday, Sally Ride, 61, died of pancreatic cancer. In an obituary https://www.sallyridescience.com/sallyride/bio celebrating her life, Sally, the first American woman to enter space, came out. One simple sentence made public her 27-year romantic relationship with a woman: In addition to Tam O'Shaughnessy, her partner of 27 years, Sally is survived by her mother, Joyce; her sister, Bear; her niece, Caitlin, and nephew, Whitney; her staff of 40 at Sally Ride Science; and many friends and colleagues around the country, the obituary on Sally's site, Sally Ride Science, said https://www.sallyridescience.com/sallyride/bio . Sally's sister, Bear, confirmed the revelation on BuzzFeed: I hope it makes it easier for kids growing up gay that they know that another one of their heroes was like them, Bear said http://www.buzzfeed.com/chrisgeidner/first-female-us-astronaut-sally-ri\ de-comes-out in the interview. Sally first met her partner, O'Shaughnessy https://www.sallyridescience.com/bios/oshaughnessy.html , when they were 12-year-olds playing tennis https://www.sallyridescience.com/node/1059 . The friends-turned-lovers have co-written a series of science books for children. Sally married astronaut Steven Hawley in 1982. They divorced in 1987. They had no children. Bear said http://www.buzzfeed.com/chrisgeidner/first-female-us-astronaut-sally-ri\ de-comes-out her sister was famously private. Sally didn't use labels. Sally had a very fundamental sense of privacy, it was just her nature, because we're Norwegians, through and through. She did not publicly reveal her struggle with pancreatic cancer, either. Sally Ride's memorial fund https://www.sallyridescience.com/sallyride/memory is in support of pancreatic cancer research. The pancreatic cancer community is going to be absolutely thrilled that there's now this advocate that they didn't know about. And, I hope the GLBT community feels the same, Bear, who identifies as gay, told http://www.buzzfeed.com/chrisgeidner/first-female-us-astronaut-sally-ri\ de-comes-out BuzzFeed. As for why Sally didn't use her fame to take a stand on LGBT rights, Bear insists Sally's greatest passion was science education for children. That wasn't her battle of choice the battle of choice was science education for kids. And I just hope that all the different components of Sally's life go towards helping kids, Bear told http://blogs.browardpalmbeach.com/pulp/2012/07/former_astronaut_sally_r\ ide_re.php The New Times Broward Palm Beach. Sally Ride broke barriers with grace and professionalism and literally changed the face of America's space program, former astronaut Charles Bolden told http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/space/948/Sally-Ride-Americas-fi\ rst-woman-in-space-dies-aged-61.html The Telegraph. Sally Ride was the first American woman to enter space. She remains the youngest American http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sally_Ride to enter space, at 32. And now we know she was the first lesbian in space, too. Even in death, Sally Ride broke barriers.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ride, Sally Ride
The more I think about this, the funner it gets, and the more respect for her I have. One now gets to wonder whether NASA knew she was gay when they sent her off as the first woman in space, and whether this figured into their plans: The Guys: So. Here we are in space. Sally Ride: Whoa. You said it. The Guys: So, Sal. We've got sort of a pool going here. We're the first gender-mixed crew in the history of the US space mission. Thus we have the first opportunity to have Space Sex. You in? Sally Ride: Guys, I hate to break it to you, but... [http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2012/07/sally-ride-nasa.j\ pg] --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: I've seen few people in recent years go out with as much style as Sally Ride, America's first woman in space. This is a very sweet article. Chick-Fil-A, go fuck yourselves. Sally Ride, America's first woman in space, comes out in obituaryOn Monday, Sally Ride, 61, died of pancreatic cancer. In an obituary https://www.sallyridescience.com/sallyride/bio celebrating her life, Sally, the first American woman to enter space, came out. One simple sentence made public her 27-year romantic relationship with a woman: In addition to Tam O'Shaughnessy, her partner of 27 years, Sally is survived by her mother, Joyce; her sister, Bear; her niece, Caitlin, and nephew, Whitney; her staff of 40 at Sally Ride Science; and many friends and colleagues around the country, the obituary on Sally's site, Sally Ride Science, said https://www.sallyridescience.com/sallyride/bio . Sally's sister, Bear, confirmed the revelation on BuzzFeed: I hope it makes it easier for kids growing up gay that they know that another one of their heroes was like them, Bear said http://www.buzzfeed.com/chrisgeidner/first-female-us-astronaut-sally-ri\ \ de-comes-out in the interview. Sally first met her partner, O'Shaughnessy https://www.sallyridescience.com/bios/oshaughnessy.html , when they were 12-year-olds playing tennis https://www.sallyridescience.com/node/1059 . The friends-turned-lovers have co-written a series of science books for children. Sally married astronaut Steven Hawley in 1982. They divorced in 1987. They had no children. Bear said http://www.buzzfeed.com/chrisgeidner/first-female-us-astronaut-sally-ri\ \ de-comes-out her sister was famously private. Sally didn't use labels. Sally had a very fundamental sense of privacy, it was just her nature, because we're Norwegians, through and through. She did not publicly reveal her struggle with pancreatic cancer, either. Sally Ride's memorial fund https://www.sallyridescience.com/sallyride/memory is in support of pancreatic cancer research. The pancreatic cancer community is going to be absolutely thrilled that there's now this advocate that they didn't know about. And, I hope the GLBT community feels the same, Bear, who identifies as gay, told http://www.buzzfeed.com/chrisgeidner/first-female-us-astronaut-sally-ri\ \ de-comes-out BuzzFeed. As for why Sally didn't use her fame to take a stand on LGBT rights, Bear insists Sally's greatest passion was science education for children. That wasn't her battle of choice the battle of choice was science education for kids. And I just hope that all the different components of Sally's life go towards helping kids, Bear told http://blogs.browardpalmbeach.com/pulp/2012/07/former_astronaut_sally_r\ \ ide_re.php The New Times Broward Palm Beach. Sally Ride broke barriers with grace and professionalism and literally changed the face of America's space program, former astronaut Charles Bolden told http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/space/948/Sally-Ride-Americas-fi\ \ rst-woman-in-space-dies-aged-61.html The Telegraph. Sally Ride was the first American woman to enter space. She remains the youngest American http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sally_Ride to enter space, at 32. And now we know she was the first lesbian in space, too. Even in death, Sally Ride broke barriers.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Ramblings around Leiden
On 07/26/2012 12:41 PM, turquoiseb wrote: I'm still clearly in the honeymoon period w.r.t. my new town. I just love it. Sometimes it's the Little Things. Like how the primary mode of transportation is the bicycle. You are actually penalized to some extent for living in the Centrum of Leiden and having a car. To park it, you have to get a permit, which costs 40 Euros a quarter for the first car, and 80 Euros per quarter for the second car. It is a policy clearly aimed at reducing the amount of auto traffic and presence within Leiden, and it is clearly working. Living here, a car is superfluous. I still have my old but eternal Peugeot 306, but it will probably remain sitting in its parking space for the full duration of my first parking permit. I will probably never need it. Everything I need is within walking or biking distance, and both walking and biking are more fun than driving. It's sort of a no-brainer. If this happens, and I wind up not needing my car for a full quarter of the year, I will most likely sell the car. My story is kinda normal around here. Now compare it to the story of moving to a new community in most places in the United States. In how many of them could you live a quality life without a car? One of the reasons that I enjoy staying in touch with the Fairfield community is that I sense that -- should the shit hit the fan and autos not really be as avail- able or affordable as they are today -- you could prob- ably get by, and comfortably, without a car in Fairfield. I like that in a town. I could say that about several of the places I've lived, including tiny little Sauve, France, or much larger Sitges, Spain, or even larger still Santa Fe, New Mexico. It's really *neat* to live in a town that you can live in successfully and comfortably without a car. All of that said, the takeaway I have from my walk tonight is still the silence. On foot, on a bicycle, or probably even in a car, this is one of the most *silent* burbs I've ever lived in. Whatever is going on on the surface of life -- dogs barking, the rare car horn honking, party boats on the river blaring tasteless music at high volumes -- *whatever*, the silence is still there. It's like there is nothing in the environment that can *overshadow* the silence. I have no explanation for how this could be, only that it seems to be. Let me guess, the city is probably fairly flat and no hills to climb with a bike? Hills would sure put a damper on biking. It does around here. If I even want to walk to the nearby shopping center it is at the top of the hill and not even a decent sidewalk going all the way up. Still a few brave souls brave it with a bike which is dangerous because there are some blind corners and avoiding the cyclist could result in an head on. This is a community that seems to have a high proportion of Priuses. Maybe it's because it's a refinery community and people are more in tune with the politics of oil. There are even a few driving smart cars these days. No you can't catch a bus from the bottom on the hill to the top. There is no bus route there (too narrow of streets). And I'm sure the city would have problems trying to get an easement to build a protected walkway up the hill. And of course in a community of mostly 30 and 40 somethings with kids a lot like to drive big honkin' pickups and SUVs that have never seen an off road or even carried a big load. IOW, those are penis extensions. Let's face it, Europe is compact. It's easier to do mass transit there and walk places. Not so much for the good ol' USA. After all it was built with a cowboy mentality.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM, the Dome Badge, and Religious Practices
Though it seems so, I'm not sure it's as simple as all that. Yes, of course the movement can make rules in any way it wants. But perhaps when an organization is teaching a technique for becoming fully developed, one expects a lot of that organization. Such as to be well, at least more developed than average. From what others report, the movement is not always like this. Why? Because it's made up of flawed humans! Not only that, but flawed humans who are quite invested in being perfect or ideal. That mix can lead to a lot of problems. Being aware of it, being more comfortable with my own flaws, makes it a little easier to navigate. FWIW (-: From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2012 11:02 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM, the Dome Badge, and Religious Practices --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@... wrote: The TM movement owns the domes and pays for them. The dome badge is free. The movement therefore makes the rules, and it can make them any way it chooses. Those who don't like it don't have to go. It's really very simple. Bingo !
[FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS's instruction on silent awareness during meditation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: Determining whether or not the mantra is subtle isn't part of TM practice. Nor does it matter that it doesn't matter. If you're doing TM, then you follow the instructions, if you don't follow the instructions, such as they are, then you're not doing TM. I was not talking about determining whether the mantra was subtle or not during practice. This is thinking about the practice afterward. If experience is unified, what meaning doth has transcendence? What meaning subtle? You have the world and consciousness as a single block as it were (the uncarved block of the Tao in terms of another system). You have the material and the spiritual joined at the hip and at every other point. Transcendence means nothing then. You can call the world and transcendence material, or you can call it spiritual; it does not really matter. Better maybe to say not much at all. What do you have when the full mission of TM is accomplished? It is interesting that one facet of the presumed discovery of the Higgs boson is that it shows that the vacuum is physical, it has physical properites. If unification exists, the distinction between physical and presumed non-physical reality does not exist. This solves a lot of philosophical, logical problems because you are not dealing with two incompatible substances which the mind simply cannot connect together. But if experiment and experience show these two supposed things are really the same, it makes things much easier. You can investigate reality as spirit or as material. Maybe, as in Genesis, God really can walk in the Garden among his children. This is how people like Maharishi, Krishnamurti, Muktananda, Adyashanti, those Buddhists, the Sufis, and on and on, can influence people in the direction of enlightenment. One teacher might fail one, but another might take up the banner; there is a certain rolling of the dice in this game. Of course, follow the instructions can be kind of vauge sometimes, but that's as OK as any other part of the process. As long as you can think a thought, you can meditate. Lawson, I perhaps am not being fair here; I am trying, as those who began this thread with you, to pull this discussion away from the level of some Joe who just learned TM, and is having these experiences that we call transcending, and subtler states of the mantra, blackouts, feeling 'something good' after meditation etc., because this does not last. There are plenty of people in the world who have left this level of experience behind, and some of them are on this forum. There are TM meditators in Fairfield who have left this behind, there are those practicing other techniques who have left this behind. That people question the validity of what one learns in the three days checking and on residence courses, and even on more advanced course the TMO offers can be a good thing if it is genuine questioning and not mere cavil. People progress at different rates; some give up - there was that quote attributed to Jesus that sometimes the seed falls on ground that is just too hard, and does not sprout. As the quote by Bertrand Russell on the home page of this forum says 'What is wanted is not the will to believe, but the wish to find out, which is the exact opposite'. Curiosity may sometimes kill the cat, but without it, it will be difficult to find where one is at. I seem to recall that Maharishi said long ago (or somethng like this anyway) that anything that results in the experience of being *is* transcendental meditation. TM as Maharishi taught it, is one way this universal process of experience recollecting its wholeness is facilitated. Now that the process has been branded for marketing, made expensive etc., and those who teach it are also subject to tight controls, it has become a niche product. This is not necessarily because those now in control are complete idiots, though of course this is a very attractive hypothesis, it is because the process is being restricted to a narrow channel by ideology. Some of this seems to be Maharishi's doing, but the close followers of a master often seem the most unbalanced of all the practitioners because they take what the master says as the truth, whereas the master indicates how and where one, on one's own, needs to look to find it for oneself. In other words the process of restricting access to official channels is the very process by which universality is restricted to a point value; thus the attempt to preserve the so called purity of the teaching, this holding on, is the very process that damps down the process, like holding onto the mantra at all costs prevents it from dying away. TM was a revival, and now, revival will take place in some other way, even though TM will produce good results for people and new learners for years to come. Being waxes and wanes and takes with it all it contains. The TMO cannot
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ramblings around Leiden
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: I'm still clearly in the honeymoon period w.r.t. my new town. I just love it. Sometimes it's the Little Things. Like how the primary mode of transportation is the bicycle. You are actually penalized to some extent for living in the Centrum of Leiden and having a car. To park it, you have to get a permit, which costs 40 Euros a quarter for the first car, and 80 Euros per quarter for the second car. It is a policy clearly aimed at reducing the amount of auto traffic and presence within Leiden, and it is clearly working. Living here, a car is superfluous. I still have my old but eternal Peugeot 306, but it will probably remain sitting in its parking space for the full duration of my first parking permit. I will probably never need it. Everything I need is within walking or biking distance, and both walking and biking are more fun than driving. It's sort of a no-brainer. If this happens, and I wind up not needing my car for a full quarter of the year, I will most likely sell the car. My story is kinda normal around here. Now compare it to the story of moving to a new community in most places in the United States. In how many of them could you live a quality life without a car? One of the reasons that I enjoy staying in touch with the Fairfield community is that I sense that -- should the shit hit the fan and autos not really be as avail- able or affordable as they are today -- you could prob- ably get by, and comfortably, without a car in Fairfield. I like that in a town. I could say that about several of the places I've lived, including tiny little Sauve, France, or much larger Sitges, Spain, or even larger still Santa Fe, New Mexico. It's really *neat* to live in a town that you can live in successfully and comfortably without a car. All of that said, the takeaway I have from my walk tonight is still the silence. On foot, on a bicycle, or probably even in a car, this is one of the most *silent* burbs I've ever lived in. Whatever is going on on the surface of life -- dogs barking, the rare car horn honking, party boats on the river blaring tasteless music at high volumes -- *whatever*, the silence is still there. It's like there is nothing in the environment that can *overshadow* the silence. I have no explanation for how this could be, only that it seems to be. Nothing in Holland is far from Vlodrop, including Leiden :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ramblings around Leiden
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: On 07/26/2012 12:41 PM, turquoiseb wrote: I'm still clearly in the honeymoon period w.r.t. my new town. I just love it. Sometimes it's the Little Things. Like how the primary mode of transportation is the bicycle. You are actually penalized to some extent for living in the Centrum of Leiden and having a car. To park it, you have to get a permit, which costs 40 Euros a quarter for the first car, and 80 Euros per quarter for the second car. It is a policy clearly aimed at reducing the amount of auto traffic and presence within Leiden, and it is clearly working. Living here, a car is superfluous. I still have my old but eternal Peugeot 306, but it will probably remain sitting in its parking space for the full duration of my first parking permit. I will probably never need it. Everything I need is within walking or biking distance, and both walking and biking are more fun than driving. It's sort of a no-brainer. If this happens, and I wind up not needing my car for a full quarter of the year, I will most likely sell the car. My story is kinda normal around here. Now compare it to the story of moving to a new community in most places in the United States. In how many of them could you live a quality life without a car? One of the reasons that I enjoy staying in touch with the Fairfield community is that I sense that -- should the shit hit the fan and autos not really be as avail- able or affordable as they are today -- you could prob- ably get by, and comfortably, without a car in Fairfield. I like that in a town. I could say that about several of the places I've lived, including tiny little Sauve, France, or much larger Sitges, Spain, or even larger still Santa Fe, New Mexico. It's really *neat* to live in a town that you can live in successfully and comfortably without a car. All of that said, the takeaway I have from my walk tonight is still the silence. On foot, on a bicycle, or probably even in a car, this is one of the most *silent* burbs I've ever lived in. Whatever is going on on the surface of life -- dogs barking, the rare car horn honking, party boats on the river blaring tasteless music at high volumes -- *whatever*, the silence is still there. It's like there is nothing in the environment that can *overshadow* the silence. I have no explanation for how this could be, only that it seems to be. Let me guess, the city is probably fairly flat and no hills to climb with a bike? Hills would sure put a damper on biking. It does around here. Duh. It's a country mainly reclaimed from the sea. Flat as a pancake. I've seen the highest point in the Netherlands. It's a landfill, human-created, maybe ten stories high. :-) Let's face it, Europe is compact. It's easier to do mass transit there and walk places. Not so much for the good ol' USA. After all it was built with a cowboy mentality. True. I live within the Centrum, which is to say within the fortress walls that surrounded the city in the 16th century. Different mindset entirely.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Romney is no horseman, nowhere near.
Romney pays for expensive horses, that is it. He is so not a horseman that he won't even be bothered to watch his Olympic sponsored horse compete in London in the dressage discipline. If he actually realized how long it takes to train a horse to Grand Prix and how slim the chances were to get a horse to that level and qualify for and get to compete in the Olympics he would be down on his knees in wonderment - not to mention just the sheer magnificence of watching any horse at that level compete, be they your own horse or not. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: It explains a lot. Romney's a damn tin-horn back peddling from his horse. Old Abe Lincoln was an incredible horseman. Romney obviously is not from that part of the Republican party. He's no leader to follow. http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/07/26/a-horse-at-the-olympics-but-romney-will-be-nowhere-near/ All thru history great leaders have been great horsemen. It shows a good human to be a good horseman. If this guy were a good horseman he'd have been up there and taken a picture of himself on that horse and shown it. -Buck
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ramblings around Leiden
On 07/26/2012 02:07 PM, nablusoss1008 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: I'm still clearly in the honeymoon period w.r.t. my new town. I just love it. Sometimes it's the Little Things. Like how the primary mode of transportation is the bicycle. You are actually penalized to some extent for living in the Centrum of Leiden and having a car. To park it, you have to get a permit, which costs 40 Euros a quarter for the first car, and 80 Euros per quarter for the second car. It is a policy clearly aimed at reducing the amount of auto traffic and presence within Leiden, and it is clearly working. Living here, a car is superfluous. I still have my old but eternal Peugeot 306, but it will probably remain sitting in its parking space for the full duration of my first parking permit. I will probably never need it. Everything I need is within walking or biking distance, and both walking and biking are more fun than driving. It's sort of a no-brainer. If this happens, and I wind up not needing my car for a full quarter of the year, I will most likely sell the car. My story is kinda normal around here. Now compare it to the story of moving to a new community in most places in the United States. In how many of them could you live a quality life without a car? One of the reasons that I enjoy staying in touch with the Fairfield community is that I sense that -- should the shit hit the fan and autos not really be as avail- able or affordable as they are today -- you could prob- ably get by, and comfortably, without a car in Fairfield. I like that in a town. I could say that about several of the places I've lived, including tiny little Sauve, France, or much larger Sitges, Spain, or even larger still Santa Fe, New Mexico. It's really *neat* to live in a town that you can live in successfully and comfortably without a car. All of that said, the takeaway I have from my walk tonight is still the silence. On foot, on a bicycle, or probably even in a car, this is one of the most *silent* burbs I've ever lived in. Whatever is going on on the surface of life -- dogs barking, the rare car horn honking, party boats on the river blaring tasteless music at high volumes -- *whatever*, the silence is still there. It's like there is nothing in the environment that can *overshadow* the silence. I have no explanation for how this could be, only that it seems to be. Nothing in Holland is far from Vlodrop, including Leiden :-) Ever been to the states, Nabby? Some of our states are bigger than some of the European countries (including the larger ones).
[FairfieldLife] Car Surfing Pelican
Well I haven't had it plant itself on the top of my SUV but this driver had a time trying to get it to leave the top of his car. This is the parking lot of the Waterfront Park that I walk at frequently. https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpagev=5SHsXwvtLVY
[FairfieldLife] Speaking of Horsemen (and great horses)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNid10_Bku0
[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of Horsemen (and great horses)
Magnificent! Poetry in motion. Thanks for posting, Ann. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@... wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNid10_Bku0
[FairfieldLife] Post Count
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM, the Dome Badge, and Religious Practices
Dear Robin, Gosh, you don't have to explain yourself at all to me. I believe what you say and I'm content to engage with you as you are now. I wasn't at MIU when you were there. Of course I heard a few stories. And I've read some of the emails here. Also my last X is a Canadian gov. What can I say? Your life has been much more eventful than mine. Even your inner life. I'm sorry if those events, inner and outer, caused you or others unnecessary suffering. I would imagine that as a leader, you would regret causing a student to lose something important to them. But it's all water under the bridge now. You sound somewhat at peace with it all and I'm happy for you about that. I'm sure the world has need of your gifts. It's never too late to redeem anything and or make amends for any hurt. Or so I believe. But maybe I'm simply having an imperfect hallucination (-: Share From: Robin Carlsen maskedze...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2012 10:37 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM, the Dome Badge, and Religious Practices Dear Share, I should just say that in the case of myself I thought I was *completing Maharishi's Teaching*, that my enlightenment produced a context for individual metaphysical drama which had not been anticipated before I went up on that mountain in September 1976—But for all that, *was an innocent as TM*. Indeed, I felt that the form my enlightenment took—in terms of this theatre of individuation of the soul—was the fulfillment of the TM experience—the original one. Certainly when I began to act as a person in Unity, my experience was that the whole universe was getting behind my enlightenment project And I was very anxious, therefore, that Maharishi would eventually endorse what I was doing—explicitly, formally. I never thought of myself as deviating from the purity of the teaching. I thought I was taking the next evolutionary step within the context of TM and Maharishi. It didn't quite work out that way; but when persons were punished—expelled from MIU—for attending my seminars, I thought this was just the drama which would precede the eventual joyful consummation. I was wrong in every sense, of course. But I thought I should mention how I exempt myself from having been any kind of interloper or foreign influence within the TM Movement. I remained utterly devoted to Maharishi right up until I determined that my enlightenment was a form of profound mystical deceitfulness, a perfect hallucination. Robin --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Hi Ann and Buck, I'm baffled by all this. I was totally out of the Dome for 7 years, 2003 to 2010. During that time I openly participated in lots of stuff in FF, including Waking Down in Mutuality for about 3 years. But I had no trouble getting back into the Dome. No interrogation room, etc. Also through Amma's org, I've been having planetary pujas done for a while now plus use her jyotishis. Movement got too expensive and wanted a person to supply family info also. Too much of a hassle. And even when I was a grad student on campus, I was open about participating in David Deida tantric workshops. Again no interrogation room, no subtle threats, etc. All I can figure is that they let me alone because I'm just a sidha, not a gov. But I don't know for sure. Now that I'm back in the Dome, sometimes friends on campus aren't as friendly as they were. Sometimes that hurts. But I sort of understand. And I have friends in town. TSR dontcha know. Town Super Radiance. And jokingly means taking seminars regularly. OTOH, truth in jest, etc.  Share in town and in Dome... Dear Share, My take on all this policing of persons who go outside of the spiritual resources sanctioned by the TM Movement is pretty simple. Those who devise and enforce these rules (which originated in Maharishi himself) are going by their first experience of what TM and Maharishi represented: This is The Way; there is no other way that compares to the TM-Maharishi way. TM is defined as the simplest and most natural technique to take one to the deepest level of one's very being—there is no other practice which is defined mechanically and objectively such as to afford the most efficient way of transcending—there are no competitors here. The most profound realization one has when one is made a teacher of TM by Maharishi, is: this is It. There isn't anything else. And if TM cannot do what it says it does—take one to the level of pure consciousness—then we are selling a product which does not do what we say it does. Any compromise on this policy of guarding the purity of the teaching will mean the gradual corruption of TM and the dilution of Maharishi's Teaching, That is one thing that Maharishi was able to do
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM, the Dome Badge, and Religious Practices
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Hi Ann and Buck, I'm baffled by all this. I was totally out of the Dome for 7 years, 2003 to 2010. During that time I openly participated in lots of stuff in FF, including Waking Down in Mutuality for about 3 years. But I had no trouble getting back into the Dome. No interrogation room, etc. Also through Amma's org, I've been having planetary pujas done for a while now plus use her jyotishis. Movement got too expensive and wanted a person to supply family info also. Too much of a hassle. And even when I was a grad student on campus, I was open about participating in David Deida tantric workshops. Again no interrogation room, no subtle threats, etc. All I can figure is that they let me alone because I'm just a sidha, not a gov. But I don't know for sure. Now that I'm back in the Dome, sometimes friends on campus aren't as friendly as they were. Sometimes that hurts. But I sort of understand. And I have friends in town. TSR dontcha know. Town Super Radiance. And jokingly means taking seminars regularly. OTOH, truth in jest, etc.  Share in town and in Dome... Share, it's true there are very few TM-virgins in the Domes. From: awoelflebater no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 11:02 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM, the Dome Badge, and Religious Practices  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Om, waht oh. I may lose my Dome badge, again. I got called in by the chief inspector the other day over my religious activities with non-TM pundits. If it goes badly they'll take my Dome badge away, again. It is still in the balance but it is an interesting thing; they have these anti-religious practices paragraphs in the Dome meditation admission guidelines that are a snare. The paragraphs are part of a business plan to coerce people to use TM movement joytish astrology and yagya services more exclusively by using the dome admission as a punishment. I had an hour long interview in the Peace Palace the other day. Some committee that I'll not see will adjudicate my case. We have something in our files, tell us about it. How do the TM inspectors [had a good laugh typing that] find out you are using non-approved services? Is there a supergrass in FF? And what the hell business do you think it is of theirs? Hope you tell them to stuff their stupid dome badge. Really, what is the point of all this if this is the sort of positivity that TM creates? Sal, how? The 'course office' works it like East German Secret Police Stasi doing case work. They work it all the time. Search local papers for leads, the internet, make interviews, hear conversations in the Domes or meal hall on campus or around, some people also feel it their duty to tell them things, and then they squeeze people. They make files and network the files. These are TM career people who are very good at what they do. These are apparatchiks who are unquestioningly loyal subordinates. For them it is about enforcing the guidelines. If they had better guidelines they would enforce them too. It is a lot like being confronted with that German officer investigator actor in Inglorious Bastards. http://voices.yahoo.com/inglorious-bastards-using-tarantinos-movie-teaching-5616344.html That's the course office and the system that set it up. Evidently it is the best we have to work with. Wow Buck, you put up with a lot in order to be able to meditate in the Dome and operate within the confines of the TM secret police. I had no idea. If any of this had been going on back in 1976-1980 I would have been out of there, real fast. I guess what you gain is worth this kind of terrible, freedom-squelching monitoring? Is this for real? I haven't been paying attention or following any of this at FFL so I am a bit shocked now that I actually read one of these posts. I guess you need the collective group energy that the dome provides when you do your siddhis? You couldn't just sort of hop around in your own home and essentially be flipping these Nazi's a bird at the same time as you burn your dome badge? Jeezuz, I would love to be in Fairfield just to give these assholes a run for their money. I could think of all sorts of fun scenarios because, frankly, I wouldn't give a damn and just the opportunity to raise a couple of hackles on these guy's backs would be worth the price of admission. Good luck with that. But remember, certain things are only worth so much boot licking.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can TM Save Medicare from bankruptcy?
Yes, when people decrease calories the primitive brains starts screaming, Famine, famine and holds onto fat. After 1 week of a no carb diet, I saw such a dramatic improvement in my body that I was easily motivated to continue. That was almost 4 years ago. My latest wonderful discovery is coconut water. High in potassium which balances salt. And so yummy and hydrating is this horrific heat. Another recent addition is sauerkraut. Very good for beneficial gut bacteria. I eat an avocado every day. The brain needs fat! Like I said before, I don't feel deprived because I eat so much delicious food that's also nutritious. I admit I gave up on ayurvedic diet years ago. Also a Chinese medicine diet that wanted me to eat pork! From: Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 3:37 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can TM Save Medicare from bankruptcy? Good strategury Share! High protein, low carb and fat breakfast keeps blood sugar levels more even, sustaining energy levels longer. It may take 2-3 weeks to feel the effect but it works. However, it needs to be a lifestyle otherwise you gain back everything you lost. I did the yo-yo thing too many times. That trains the body to hang on to every ounce of fat and make more so you don't *starve*. You lose twenty and gain back twenty-five. From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 12:54 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can TM Save Medicare from bankruptcy? Bhairitu wrote: Then you have people who think there is nothing to losing weight that probably have never been on a diet in their life. My reply: Don't even get me started! Whoops, too late! For one thing, it isnot mainly a matter of will power. As I explain to my Mom, if a person has a sugery breakfast, and even milk will make it so, then they will be craving sweets/carbs the rest of the day. For me, one of the tricks to dieting is to eat food I really enjoy, And to eat good protein especially early in the day. These days I eat mostly uncooked food. Wasn't planning that but it's simply unfolded in this way. And I'm so grateful for our locally owned health food store which carries lots of locally made food such as soups and humuus and more recently a totally yummy quinoa salad. Quinoa has all 12 amino acids and is a seed rather than a grain. Plus I just found out that it's high in calcium which is great since I don't eat dairy foods. Oy, am I sounding like a Baining now?! Anyway, Lawson, as you can tell, I'm into all this and I've been successful losing weight and keeping it off. Without feeling deprived and without compromising my health. My recent blood tests show that even my B12 levels are great, especially for someone who's mainly vegetarian. If you'd like some encouragement or good info, feel free to email me directly. Best of luck with all this. Share From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 11:51 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can TM Save Medicare from bankruptcy? Those are probably your vakriti or how you are functioning when the evaluation was done. The constitution (prakriti) doesn't change. When kapha runs high with me I don't have much appetite and certainly none to eat any kind of breakfast. The appetite won't appear until early afternoon. The appetite can also be vague instead of suggesting something the body wants. I've used the one meal a day diet which Doulliard recommends but it was difficult to do since you eat at noon and gets blown if someone wants to go out to dinner. :-D I feel for anyone who has a weight problem because our medical system doesn't deal with them very well. Most doctors at best have had only one quarter of nutrition in school. They also hate the idea of biochemical individuality which is at the core of Ayurveda and Chinese medicine. They want one shoe to fit all. Then you have people who think there is nothing to losing weight that probably have never been on a diet in their life. What a joke! On 07/24/2012 05:30 PM, sparaig wrote: Actually, my original body-type evaluation was pitta-vatta, then pitta-kapha, and now, kapha-pitta. Id's ay that before I learned TM, it was pure vatta. LIterally I was the skinnyest kid in the school system. I was literally envious of 98 pound weakings as I weighted 93 pounds my senior year in high school. Gained 10 pounds after I started martial arts and another 10 a few months after I learned TM. By the time I joined the USAF at the age of 23, I weight a whopping 127 pounds at 5'10 L --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: Sounds like accumulated kapha to me. I assume however you have tried or
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM, the Dome Badge, and Religious Practices
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Hi Ann and Buck, I'm baffled by all this. I was totally out of the Dome for 7 years, 2003 to 2010. During that time I openly participated in lots of stuff in FF, including Waking Down in Mutuality for about 3 years. But I had no trouble getting back into the Dome. No interrogation room, etc. Also through Amma's org, I've been having planetary pujas done for a while now plus use her jyotishis. Movement got too expensive and wanted a person to supply family info also. Too much of a hassle. And even when I was a grad student on campus, I was open about participating in David Deida tantric workshops. Again no interrogation room, no subtle threats, etc. All I can figure is that they let me alone because I'm just a sidha, not a gov. But I don't know for sure. Now that I'm back in the Dome, sometimes friends on campus aren't as friendly as they were. Sometimes that hurts. But I sort of understand. And I have friends in town. TSR dontcha know. Town Super Radiance. And jokingly means taking seminars regularly. OTOH, truth in jest, etc.  Share in town and in Dome... Dear Share, My take on all this policing of persons who go outside of the spiritual resources sanctioned by the TM Movement is pretty simple. Those who devise and enforce these rules (which originated in Maharishi himself) are going by their first experience of what TM and Maharishi represented: This is The Way; there is no other way that compares to the TM-Maharishi way. TM is defined as the simplest and most natural technique to take one to the deepest level of one's very beingthere is no other practice which is defined mechanically and objectively such as to afford the most efficient way of transcendingthere are no competitors here. The most profound realization one has when one is made a teacher of TM by Maharishi, is: this is It. There isn't anything else. And if TM cannot do what it says it doestake one to the level of pure consciousnessthen we are selling a product which does not do what we say it does. Any compromise on this policy of guarding the purity of the teaching will mean the gradual corruption of TM and the dilution of Maharishi's Teaching, That is one thing that Maharishi was able to do that no other teacher in our lifetime has been able to do: Make us experience that he was the very best, the only one, and that what he was giving to us was coming directly from reality or God or the source of creative intelligence. Any flexibility, reasonableness, tolerance here just makes no sense at allunless the people at the top are giving up their claim to the exclusiveness of TM as being the most beautiful way to transcend that is available anywhere. I refer readers (who have done TM) to their first TM experience. How it happened; what the process was like; how they experienced the mantra working inside of them. The very miraculous innocenceand profundityof this experience signifies: No competition will be allowedbecause what could produce an experience equal to the one you first had when you started TM? I don't say the policy is justified on the basis of TM being what Maharishi made us believe it was, and what our experiencesat least for awhileconfirmed, because of course I don't think that TM and Maharishi have continued to get the grace and support which would indicate that reality and God still think they are It. But in terms of the truth of one's devotion to one's Master, and Maharishi brilliant and unchallengeable authority to persuade us of his preeminent position and status in Creationand his gift to us in the form of his spiritual technologywhat the TMO is doing in being careful about vetting persons who meditate in the Dome is not only reasonable, it is entirely truthful to their conscience, their understanding of the will of Maharishi, and their own sense of what is the right thing to do. This behaviour on the part of those who wield this authority over meditators is irreproachable in my estimation. Of course if these persons believed that there was another path to God, to the Self, to enlightenment, then the enforcement of these policies would be subject to moral scrutiny. Inside the context of what they deem as truth and the means of not betraying the wishes of their Master, they are behaving entirely appropriatelyThere simply is no argument to be made against them whatsoever. MZ- This is some excellent writing, it captures the TM tru-believer mind. It is an element of TM. You don't live here and you left the movement a long time ago. There are really very few true-believers left though there are still some lot of people interested in meditating in the Domes
[FairfieldLife] Re: Can TM Save Medicare from bankruptcy?
I hope you get the avocados at Walmart. Much cheaper than either Hy-Vee or Everybody's. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Yes, when people decrease calories the primitive brains starts screaming, Famine, famine and holds onto fat. After 1 week of a no carb diet, I saw such a dramatic improvement in my body that I was easily motivated to continue. That was almost 4 years ago.  My latest wonderful discovery is coconut water. High in potassium which balances salt. And so yummy and hydrating is this horrific heat. Another recent addition is sauerkraut. Very good for beneficial gut bacteria. I eat an avocado every day. The brain needs fat! Like I said before, I don't feel deprived because I eat so much delicious food that's also nutritious. I admit I gave up on ayurvedic diet years ago. Also a Chinese medicine diet that wanted me to eat pork! From: Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 3:37 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can TM Save Medicare from bankruptcy?  Good strategury Share! High protein, low carb and fat breakfast keeps blood sugar levels more even, sustaining energy levels longer. It may take 2-3 weeks to feel the effect but it works. However, it needs to be a lifestyle otherwise you gain back everything you lost. I did the yo-yo thing too many times. That trains the body to hang on to every ounce of fat and make more so you don't *starve*. You lose twenty and gain back twenty-five. From: Share Long sharelong60@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 12:54 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can TM Save Medicare from bankruptcy?  Bhairitu wrote: Then you have people who think there is nothing to losing weight that probably have never been on a diet in their life. My reply: Don't even get me started! Whoops, too late! For one thing, it isnot mainly a matter of will power. As I explain to my Mom, if a person has a sugery breakfast, and even milk will make it so, then they will be craving sweets/carbs the rest of the day. For me, one of the tricks to dieting is to eat food I really enjoy, And to eat good protein especially early in the day. These days I eat mostly uncooked food. Wasn't planning that but it's simply unfolded in this way. And I'm so grateful for our locally owned health food store which carries lots of locally made food such as soups and humuus and more recently a totally yummy quinoa salad. Quinoa has all 12 amino acids and is a seed rather than a grain. Plus I just found out that it's high in calcium which is great since I don't eat dairy foods. Oy, am I sounding like a Baining now?! Anyway, Lawson, as you can tell, I'm into all this and I've been successful losing weight and keeping it off. Without feeling deprived and without compromising my health. My recent blood tests show that even my B12 levels are great, especially for someone who's mainly vegetarian. If you'd like some encouragement or good info, feel free to email me directly. Best of luck with all this. Share From: Bhairitu noozguru@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 11:51 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can TM Save Medicare from bankruptcy?  Those are probably your vakriti or how you are functioning when the evaluation was done. The constitution (prakriti) doesn't change. When kapha runs high with me I don't have much appetite and certainly none to eat any kind of breakfast. The appetite won't appear until early afternoon. The appetite can also be vague instead of suggesting something the body wants. I've used the one meal a day diet which Doulliard recommends but it was difficult to do since you eat at noon and gets blown if someone wants to go out to dinner. :-D I feel for anyone who has a weight problem because our medical system doesn't deal with them very well. Most doctors at best have had only one quarter of nutrition in school. They also hate the idea of biochemical individuality which is at the core of Ayurveda and Chinese medicine. They want one shoe to fit all. Then you have people who think there is nothing to losing weight that probably have never been on a diet in their life. What a joke! On 07/24/2012 05:30 PM, sparaig wrote: Actually, my original body-type evaluation was pitta-vatta, then pitta-kapha, and now, kapha-pitta. Id's ay that before I learned TM, it was pure vatta. LIterally I was the skinnyest kid in the school system. I was literally envious of 98 pound weakings as I weighted 93 pounds my senior year in high school. Gained 10 pounds after I started martial arts and another 10 a few months after
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can TM Save Medicare from bankruptcy?
Thank you for info. But what about that southern entrance (-: From: feste37 fest...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2012 8:13 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can TM Save Medicare from bankruptcy? I hope you get the avocados at Walmart. Much cheaper than either Hy-Vee or Everybody's. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Yes, when people decrease calories the primitive brains starts screaming, Famine, famine and holds onto fat. After 1 week of a no carb diet, I saw such a dramatic improvement in my body that I was easily motivated to continue. That was almost 4 years ago.  My latest wonderful discovery is coconut water. High in potassium which balances salt. And so yummy and hydrating is this horrific heat. Another recent addition is sauerkraut. Very good for beneficial gut bacteria. I eat an avocado every day. The brain needs fat! Like I said before, I don't feel deprived because I eat so much delicious food that's also nutritious. I admit I gave up on ayurvedic diet years ago. Also a Chinese medicine diet that wanted me to eat pork! From: Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 3:37 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can TM Save Medicare from bankruptcy?  Good strategury Share! High protein, low carb and fat breakfast keeps blood sugar levels more even, sustaining energy levels longer. It may take 2-3 weeks to feel the effect but it works. However, it needs to be a lifestyle otherwise you gain back everything you lost. I did the yo-yo thing too many times. That trains the body to hang on to every ounce of fat and make more so you don't *starve*. You lose twenty and gain back twenty-five. From: Share Long sharelong60@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 12:54 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can TM Save Medicare from bankruptcy?  Bhairitu wrote: Then you have people who think there is nothing to losing weight that probably have never been on a diet in their life. My reply: Don't even get me started! Whoops, too late! For one thing, it isnot mainly a matter of will power. As I explain to my Mom, if a person has a sugery breakfast, and even milk will make it so, then they will be craving sweets/carbs the rest of the day. For me, one of the tricks to dieting is to eat food I really enjoy, And to eat good protein especially early in the day. These days I eat mostly uncooked food. Wasn't planning that but it's simply unfolded in this way. And I'm so grateful for our locally owned health food store which carries lots of locally made food such as soups and humuus and more recently a totally yummy quinoa salad. Quinoa has all 12 amino acids and is a seed rather than a grain. Plus I just found out that it's high in calcium which is great since I don't eat dairy foods. Oy, am I sounding like a Baining now?! Anyway, Lawson, as you can tell, I'm into all this and I've been successful losing weight and keeping it off. Without feeling deprived and without compromising my health. My recent blood tests show that even my B12 levels are great, especially for someone who's mainly vegetarian. If you'd like some encouragement or good info, feel free to email me directly. Best of luck with all this. Share From: Bhairitu noozguru@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 11:51 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can TM Save Medicare from bankruptcy?  Those are probably your vakriti or how you are functioning when the evaluation was done. The constitution (prakriti) doesn't change. When kapha runs high with me I don't have much appetite and certainly none to eat any kind of breakfast. The appetite won't appear until early afternoon. The appetite can also be vague instead of suggesting something the body wants. I've used the one meal a day diet which Doulliard recommends but it was difficult to do since you eat at noon and gets blown if someone wants to go out to dinner. :-D I feel for anyone who has a weight problem because our medical system doesn't deal with them very well. Most doctors at best have had only one quarter of nutrition in school. They also hate the idea of biochemical individuality which is at the core of Ayurveda and Chinese medicine. They want one shoe to fit all. Then you have people who think there is nothing to losing weight that probably have never been on a diet in their life. What a joke! On 07/24/2012 05:30 PM, sparaig wrote: Actually, my original body-type evaluation was pitta-vatta, then pitta-kapha, and now, kapha-pitta. Id's ay that before I
Re: [FairfieldLife] Speaking of Horsemen (and great horses)
I've heard they have to use geldings in this competition. No horse with any balls would be caught dead prancing around like that. From: awoelflebater no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2012 4:02 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Speaking of Horsemen (and great horses) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNid10_Bku0
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM, the Dome Badge, and Religious Practices
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Hopefully guidelines facilitate what you are doing and don't get in the way of what you are doing. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Whittling the Dome guidelines Those parts in the Dome admission guideline about pundits, joytish and yagyas really don't need to be there. They don't have much to do with running the meditation programs in the Domes. There evidently is something else going on in those paragraphs. Effectively they are an administrative attempt to control religious practices by using the Dome admission as a punishment towards coercing the use of TM-sanctioned vedic/hindu astrological and religious practices. Part of the policy question becomes: is there not a place in the Domes or the TM movement for just practitioners of meditation and the TM-sidhis without judging and interfering with people's religious practices? What do those paragraphs have to do with running the Dome program? Within TM, it seems we have TM and TM-Sidhi practitioners over here, and then sanctioned TM religious activities over there, like over in Vedic City. Within this it seems the TM-Rajas with this anti-religious activity policy are using in a business plan the Dome admission policy as coercion towards using the TM-sanctioned religious practices more exclusively. It's proly bad enough to be 'anti-saint'. Does the new TM.org really want to be known as 'anti-religious' in business as well? Public grants and funding going to an institution discriminating, based on religious activity? That does not sound good at all. With those anti-religious TM guidelines about access to these other astrological systems or religious people or indeed about hosting them, then one would worry for TM and the Dome meditation. Those paragraphs really don't need to be in the guidelines for running the Domes. They certainly could be changed or deleted. This would help people a lot from having to look over their shoulder if they have a valid Dome badge or would like to apply for one if they are meditators. There are very few TM-virgins anymore and there's a lot of people in the Dome who meditate in a fear for their status for being found out. It's the way it is and it's a communal problem with the Dome meditation. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: Buck, do you ever ask yourself why you buck the system?  Bucking? Naw, I'm an Iowan, an old practicing mediator, and a pretty reasonable person. By experience and the science I'd like to see the numbers do well in the Domes. I'm quite hope full and I'd like to see those people facilitate the Dome numbers better. I'm pretty simple. They've got old problems that they've created with the Dome numbers with those guidelines and the meditating community. Raja Hagelin has created a lot of process inside to help run things since Maharishi's death. Things could change. I got time. -Buck From: Buck To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 6:19 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] TM, the Dome Badge, and Religious Practices  Om, waht oh. I may lose my Dome badge, again. I got called in by the chief inspector the other day over my religious activities with non-TM pundits. If it goes badly they'll take my Dome badge away, again. It is still in the balance but it is an interesting thing; they have these anti-religious practices paragraphs in the Dome meditation admission guidelines that are a snare. The paragraphs are part of a business plan to coerce people to use TM movement joytish astrology and yagya services more exclusively by using the dome admission as a punishment. I had an hour long interview in the Peace Palace the other day. Some committee that I'll not see will adjudicate my case. We have something in our files, tell us about it.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can TM Save Medicare from bankruptcy?
I have been giving a friend free lemons from my lemon tree for years and he has an avocado tree. I have yet to see one avocado from his tree. On 07/26/2012 06:13 PM, feste37 wrote: I hope you get the avocados at Walmart. Much cheaper than either Hy-Vee or Everybody's. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: snipped for the raunchy
[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of Horsemen (and great horses)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2DPh9zvSb4feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2DPh9zvSb4feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYThblo74hgfeature=relmfu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYThblo74hgfeature=relmfu That's the way i like it:.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dd--tIkrVoA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dd--tIkrVoA ...riding to the DOME http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGKSMC9eDawfeature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGKSMC9eDawfeature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGKSMC9eDawfeature=related --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@... wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNid10_Bku0
[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of Horsemen (and great horses)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: Beautiful. Â Thank you. Â I also can't believe Romney isn't there supporting his wife in the sport she loves. Â Romney has a tin ear. He's a robot sticking to poll driven talking points, lower taxes for the rich and screw the poor. He has no sense of how to read people. I didn't think it possible, but he's as gaff prone as Bush. Had he enthusiastically supported his wife, it would have made him seem almost human. From: awoelflebater no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2012 4:02 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Speaking of Horsemen (and great horses) Â http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNid10_Bku0
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM, the Dome Badge, and Religious Practices
Dear Share, I think I was unclear in making my intent known to you in writing that second letter to you. I chose to address you, because of the receptivity and positivity that is part of your spiritual approach to persons and reality. But I was simply taking the opportunitythis had nothing to do with you personallyto explain how I felt that my own behaviour (when I came to Fairfield) vis-a-vis Maharishi and MIU was not some attempt to introduce a different teaching or technique, and therefore could notat least from my own point of viewbe used as an example of some form of spirituality other than and in some sense at variance with anything that Maharishi was teaching. Indeed I made it my objective to force Maharishi to commit himself to a judgment of the validity of the knowledge that came out of my enlightenment. I had argued in my previous post (also addressed to you because of your 'charity'See Saint Paul) on behalf of the enforcers of Dome policies. Now to do this might seem unseemly, given how the officials at MIU reacted to my seminars in Fairfield back in 1982-83. I thought the readers at FFL would possibly make the assumption: Here is this guy defending Bevan and the actions of Dome officials and he himself became a renegade from the purity of the teaching, and tried to set himself up as a Guru against Maharishi. Whereas this was decidedly not my intention or belief, even though this was the deliberate judgment of the authorities at MIU. There are a lot of things I regret. If a student at MIU felt, in retrospect, they would have rather stayed away from me and completed their education at MIU, that would indeed constitute a source of concern for me. But what was opened up in their experience, and where most of these persons ended up, I doubt anyone who took their chances with me feels on balance they lost rather than gained from the experience. But this is a very complex issue. And I have no hard data to support this conclusion. Buck was making his case. I weighed in on the side of the authorities. This would seem bizarre given that I was considered at the time to be the heretic par excellence. But I never thought of opposing Maharishi in the least; I was confident I was doing his will, and only yearned to bring about a reconciliation with Bevan and the officials at MIU, something I knew could only happen through the expressed judgment of Maharishi himself. Shall I return to our big conversation, Share? You are walking that tightrope across Niagara Falls and it doesn't seem as if you are going to falland I see no safety harness. Pretty amazing feat there, Share, baby! Robin --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Dear Robin, Gosh, you don't have to explain yourself at all to me. I believe what you say and I'm content to engage with you as you are now. I wasn't at MIU when you were there. Of course I heard a few stories. And I've read some of the emails here. Also my last X is a Canadian gov. What can I say? Your life has been much more eventful than mine. Even your inner life. I'm sorry if those events, inner and outer, caused you or others unnecessary suffering. I would imagine that as a leader, you would regret causing a student to lose something important to them. But it's all water under the bridge now. You sound somewhat at peace with it all and I'm happy for you about that. I'm sure the world has need of your gifts. It's never too late to redeem anything and or make amends for any hurt. Or so I believe. But maybe I'm simply having an imperfect hallucination (-: Share From: Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2012 10:37 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM, the Dome Badge, and Religious Practices  Dear Share, I should just say that in the case of myself I thought I was *completing Maharishi's Teaching*, that my enlightenment produced a context for individual metaphysical drama which had not been anticipated before I went up on that mountain in September 1976âBut for all that, *was an innocent as TM*. Indeed, I felt that the form my enlightenment tookâin terms of this theatre of individuation of the soulâwas the fulfillment of the TM experienceâthe original one. Certainly when I began to act as a person in Unity, my experience was that the whole universe was getting behind my enlightenment project And I was very anxious, therefore, that Maharishi would eventually endorse what I was doingâexplicitly, formally. I never thought of myself as deviating from the purity of the teaching. I thought I was taking the next evolutionary step within the context of TM and Maharishi. It didn't quite work out that way; but when persons were punishedâexpelled from MIUâfor attending my seminars, I thought this was just the drama which
