date:20131016

Xeno, you say that people stop short of enlightenment because it seems that no 
progress is happening. And in the paragraph above that, you say that at some 
point the words have to go. And yet it is the words, or the knowledge and 
understanding that can help a person continue when all is flat and seemingly 
non progressive. Even Maharishi's analogy of going around an iceberg, seeming 
to go backwards has helped me continue. Am I a fool? Or am I persistent? Both? 
And does it even matter?






On Tuesday, October 15, 2013 10:06 PM, anartax...@yahoo.com 
anartax...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
  
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:


 Dear MJ;  Yes, working people back
in that day of  $3.35 an hour wages got a great deal then. However
it is true the conservative meditator I here speak for feels deeply
that people are not paying anywhere close to enough to learn TM at
$1,500.  And, the slacker kids living at home with their parents
neither too.  The TM movement could squeeze at least another thousand
out of the new people coming to our Peace Palaces.  It is extremely
important to have commitment from new people as they start or you end
up like some of the quitters we see here.
-Buck  

I think you may be missing something Buck. I am meditating in my fifth decade. 
Even after adjusting for inflation by current U.S. Government measures, the 
price I paid for TM was less than US$500 in current value. To continue with 
meditation, you have to have some kind of deep desire beyond simply thinking 
that some mental technique is going to solve all your problems, because it does 
not work out that way.

Something has to motivate beyond feeling better because some situations may 
arise where you simply do not feel well at all, and one can go through periods 
where it really does not seem to be doing anything at all. When somebody is 
taught a technique I would say there is a 10 to 20 percent chance they will 
continue. This happened in my family, and in the family of friends, and in the 
few research papers that mentioned such data. It is not that people are 
slackers. For one thing our culture does not support meditation that well in 
spite of its being more in common awareness than previously.

Another factor is the illusions the mind has. It affects groups and groups that 
teach meditation inevitably become weird in some way, particularly if 
religiosity is a part of the philosophy of the group. TM has always tried to 
hide its religiosity, but it oozes through the cracks so much you can almost 
drown in it. People have very strong religious delusions and when faced with a 
religiosity that is contrary to what they are emotionally programmed with, they 
may quit just for that reason alone.

Basically you have to be kind of crazy to continue with meditation, there has 
to be something that pushes you forward, something you sense behind the bizarre 
character of the whatever system of 'enlightenment' you have fallen into that 
seems somehow 'true'. It is not something that can be quantified. There is a 
curiosity that one needs about this, not an entrenched belief that one is on a 
royal path to a nirvana. No belief can stand in the face of this curiosity if 
one is to 'succeed'; all beliefs will eventually be blown away. As Maharishi 
said, words of ignorance to remove ignorance. All the verbal knowledge in the 
movement are words of ignorance.

Rightly applied they may work for you up to a point, but at some point they 
have to go, and it is up to the individual how they handle or fail to handle 
the transition. Most of the people that want to help you along on the path are 
going to help you fail because they failed to make that transition. I believe M 
said at least CC was possible for everyone with TM, but CC is not 
enlightenment. That means a lot of people are going to fail, and they will not 
help you along your way; they will become an active force against your progress 
unless you know how to brush them aside and stay on purpose. You are one of 
those sorts that needs to be brushed aside. Maybe in years to come that will 
not longer be true, but right now you are an anachronism.

People may stop short of 'enlightenment', short of awakening simply because it 
seems progress is no longer happening - they may be right on the cusp. As one 
Zen master said, you may not be aware of your own enlightenment. You may not 
sense how close you are because everything seems flat, or simply have become so 
saturated with the spiritual environment you can't stand it anymore and need a 
hiatus for a while so what has occurred can sink in and gestate for a while 
before you can again move on.

Remember Buck, the Meissner effect is electromagnetic; it is just a verbal 
analogy that ties it with the supposed Maharishi Effect, the latter which has 
no scientific standing outside of the TM movement's proclamations. Pushing 
pseudoscience as fact does no service to meditation except in the minds of

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: 48,000 TM teachers working for the public school syst...

2013-10-16 Thread WLeed3

SPOT ON AGAIN !!  Buck!
I would not have used the phrase  BUNCH of  However I most  enjoy all Ur 
other thoughts cogent  well  politely, even kindly   with knowledge  
well expressed here in spit of much VITROL found  here  invective used against 
YOU or your well expresses  thoughts. Sent in respect to U with again 
thanks  Col. RET .,Wm . D. Leed  IV, USA
 
 
In a message dated 10/15/2013 9:35:08 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
dhamiltony...@yahoo.com writes:



A consciousness gap! An ensuing consciousness  race! I don't think we can 
afford to let a bunch of Brazilians over take us in  the area of development 
of consciousness and its corollary, the [ME] Meissner  Effect. !Meditators 
Unite! Our North American Rajas need to do something  immediately about this 
evolution of things. Like drop immediately the price of  learning TM in all 
of North America now to be in range of all working class  people. $75 for 
working adults, $35 for students, and grants to the disabled  living in 
poverty.  

It is time now for all peoples and all  meditators of North America to come 
forward and Be in group meditations to  avert the danger before it comes.  
-Buck  


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

It hasn't happened yet, and maybe it never will,  but what if Raja Louis 
manages to pull it off?  


What will happen to Brazil once TM becomes a fully-supported elective in  
the public school system in every school in Brazil with at least one 
full-time  TM teacher working at each public school?


By fully supported, I mean that kids are given time during the school  
day to practice TM.


L

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: On Ramana, Yoga and Vedanta


It took only a few days for this thread to go down the rabbit hole.

Alright, I get it - post anything to make us TMers look stupid. There's 
nothing more amusing than than flaming a spiritual group anonymously. 
There's a TM teacher that has been doing that on Usenet 
alt.religion.mormon since 1999 and he's not even a Mormon. Go figure.


The problem is that it's too easy to post replies on FFL. But, people - 
you don't have to post a reply to every message! What would it take for 
you guys to stay one topic? I've got a PayPal account - I could send you 
some money if that would help. I know it's tough out there sometimes 
when there's no work to be done. Let me know.  LoL!


On 10/15/2013 9:01 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote:















---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... wrote:


See ya one and raise ya one ...




Ann Woelfle Bater
Today at 8:45 AM
Well I-Went-to-Empty-the-Trash-and-I-Only-Got-As-Far-As-the-Door, you 
probably didn't realize my tutelage was all at the hands of Inowitall 
Andudont and therefore I could run circles around your supposed 
knowledge on all of this. Currently, my teacher (you may have heard of 
her, she is the one and only Celestial Moody) and she focuses 
primarily on the Sovlakian Gangnum Style Romoulade cooking most 
favoured by Gypsy fire eaters. I am happy to provide some reading 
material if you care to expand your horizons. You appear to have spent 
an inordinate amount of time perusing the bargain section in your 
local book store and dwelling far to deeply into the make believe 
world of men - so many men. I guarantee that a woman's POV might prove 
fascinating for you (as I know all of my posts to you have left you 
further enlightened) and Ms Moody is jus the woman for the job.

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: On Ramana, Yoga and Vedanta


Are you sure it wasn't Trungpa that you studied with?

On 10/15/2013 8:31 PM, emptyb...@yahoo.com wrote:



See ya one and raise ya one ...




Ann Woelfle Bater
Today at 8:45 AM
Well I-Went-to-Empty-the-Trash-and-I-Only-Got-As-Far-As-the-Door, you 
probably didn't realize my tutelage was all at the hands of Inowitall 
Andudont and therefore I could run circles around your supposed 
knowledge on all of this. Currently, my teacher (you may have heard of 
her, she is the one and only Celestial Moody) and she focuses 
primarily on the Sovlakian Gangnum Style Romoulade cooking most 
favoured by Gypsy fire eaters. I am happy to provide some reading 
material if you care to expand your horizons. You appear to have spent 
an inordinate amount of time perusing the bargain section in your 
local book store and dwelling far to deeply into the make believe 
world of men - so many men. I guarantee that a woman's POV might prove 
fascinating for you (as I know all of my posts to you have left you 
further enlightened) and Ms Moody is jus the woman for the job.

[FairfieldLife] Re: On Ramana, Yoga and Vedanta

2013-10-16 Thread TurquoiseB

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams  wrote:

 Alright, I get it - post anything to make us TMers look stupid.

No, you really *don't* get it.

No one needs to post anything to accomplish this when the
TMers themselves still believe that they're flying when they
bounce around on their butts on slabs of foam, when they
assert that doing this changes the weather and prevents crime
and causes world peace, and believe there is going to be a TM
Renaissance Any Day Now, nigh unto the Merv Griffin days,
during which millions of people will suddenly realize how
great it is to be a TMer and that they should become one, too.

There is a term for such beliefs, but it's not stupid. It's
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megalomania
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megalomania

Just sayin'...

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ritam

2013-10-16 Thread Richard Williams

Now that's better - I was beginning to think I was dealing with retards on
this discussion group. I'm glad to see that at least someone has some real
integrity left in them. Keep up the good work - let's really make these
TMers look stupid. That religious group up in Iowa needs to be exposed and
stamped out fer sure. You are one of the most interesting fink informers on
this list. Thanks for all the info who ever you are.


On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 5:55 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.comwrote:

 **


 I had a ritam today - I saw myself in the Mother Divine and Purusha
 kitchens, putting about a pound and a half of streak o'lean in their mung
 dhal - I saw then all eat the dhal, with basmati rice of course and then
 every one of them got enlightened, thanks to me and streak o'lean.

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Places You Can't Afford to Live

2013-10-16 Thread Ann Woelfle Bater






On Tuesday, October 15, 2013 9:47:25 AM, doctordumb...@rocketmail.com 
doctordumb...@rocketmail.com wrote:
 
  
Consider yourself lucky, Ann. My property taxes are about $9000 per year, for 
an 1800 sq. ft., 65 year old house. 


Whoa! That is an inordinate amount. That is waterfront-type property taxes up 
here. We also have GST tax on all services plus that is added to our 7% 
Provincial tax on virtually all retail goods. So we pay 12% sales tax on most 
items we buy. I can't remember how our income taxes compare but Canada does not 
have any inheritance taxes. My father looked into becoming a Canadian citizen 
before he died just to save the 55% inheritance taxes on his estate. I wish he 
had!


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:


 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:


An old couple I know down in San Antonio live in the family home that they 
inherited from his auntie. The guy says he pays about $100 per month in 
property taxes. Sounds like pretty cheap rent for a 1200 sq ft place on the 
south side of town. A lot of his property taxes go to local public schools. 
And, he doesn't even have any children! Go figure.

Yes, he is subsidizing your children just as I subsidize all those children I 
don't have up here in Canada with my property taxes. So, it appears we both 
live in Socialistic countries after all. Unfortunately, my taxes are over $5000 
per year for a 2900 sq foot house and a horse barn and hay barn.

According to what I've read, a family shouldn't spend more than 31 percent of 
its pre-tax income on housing. Using those calculations, these 10 metros are 
the least affordable:

'Places Where The Middle Class Can’t Afford To Live Anymore'
http://www.theatlanticcities.com/housing//

Re: [FairfieldLife] College study finds Oreo cookies are as addictive as drugs

2013-10-16 Thread Ann Woelfle Bater

That is my experience. Those things are deadly, seriously. It is impossible to 
eat one. Eating six is about the minimum at any one sitting that I can handle. 
I only like the originals though - non of that double stuff for me. The balance 
of outer wafer to inner white filling is perfection just as it is.



On Tuesday, October 15, 2013 8:27:53 PM, anartax...@yahoo.com 
anartax...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
  
http://www.foxnews.com/health/2013/10/15/college-study-finds-oreo-cookies-are-as-addictive-as-drugs/

[FairfieldLife] RE: Re: On Ramana, Yoga and Vedanta

Richard wrote: 
   Alright, I get it - post anything to make us TMers look stupid. 
 

 Barry wrote:
  No, you really *don't* get it.

 No one needs to post anything to accomplish this
 

 Says Barry, posting something to accomplish making TMers look stupid. 
 

  when the 
 TMers themselves still believe that they're flying when they 
 bounce around on their butts on slabs of foam
 

 I don't think any TM-Sidhis practitioners think they're flying--in
 the sense of staying up in the air longer than gravity would permit--
 when they bounce on foam. I don't think Barry thinks they do
 either, but he obviously feels the need to try to make TMers look
 stupid even if he has to trash the truth to do it.
 

 What's interesting is that he doesn't realize how stupid he looks
 when he does this.
 

 Just sayin'...

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ritam

for those who may not know, streak o lean is fat taken from the back of the hog 
- fat back is the pure fat, streak o lean is about 90% fat with a just a thin 
streak of lean meat running through the middle of the fat. The MD ladies are 
wanting some mighty bad in their rice and dhal even if they don't know it.

On Wed, 10/16/13, Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote:

 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Ritam
 To: Richard J. Williams FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Wednesday, October 16, 2013, 1:39 PM

   Now that's better - I was
 beginning to think I was dealing with retards on this
 discussion group. I'm glad to see that at least someone
 has some real integrity left in them. Keep up the good work
 - let's really make these TMers look stupid. That
 religious group up in Iowa needs to be exposed and stamped
 out fer sure. You are one of the most interesting fink
 informers on this list. Thanks for all the info who ever you
 are.

 On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at
 5:55 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com
 wrote:

   I had a ritam today - I saw myself in the Mother
 Divine and Purusha kitchens, putting about a pound and a
 half of streak o'lean in their mung dhal - I saw then
 all eat the dhal, with basmati rice of course and then every
 one of them got enlightened, thanks to me and streak
 o'lean.

RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: On Ramana, Yoga and Vedanta

2013-10-16 Thread awoelflebater

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 It took only a few days for this thread to go down the rabbit hole. 
 

 Newsflash! There is no rabbit hole. In addition, there is no rabbit. You might 
be confusing this story with one called Alice in Wonderland.
 
 Alright, I get it - post anything to make us TMers look stupid. There's 
nothing more amusing than than flaming a spiritual group anonymously. There's a 
TM teacher that has been doing that on Usenet alt.religion.mormon since 1999 
and he's not even a Mormon. Go figure.
 
 The problem is that it's too easy to post replies on FFL. But, people - you 
don't have to post a reply to every message! What would it take for you guys to 
stay one topic? I've got a PayPal account - I could send you some money if that 
would help. I know it's tough out there sometimes when there's no work to be 
done. Let me know.  LoL!
 

 No need to pay anyone off Richard, your rent on all things is too high 
already. Save your money to feed and educate all those kids of yours. At last 
count didn't you say you had about 10 of them running around? Of course, they 
must be old enough to support themselves by now or even chip in for your 
imminent stay at the Old Folk's Home.
 
 On 10/15/2013 9:01 PM, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... wrote:
 

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, 
emptybill@... mailto:emptybill@... wrote:
 
 
 See ya one and raise ya one ...
 
 
  
 
 
 Ann Woelfle Bater
 
 Today at 8:45 AM 
 
 
 Well I-Went-to-Empty-the-Trash-and-I-Only-Got-As-Far-As-the-Door, you probably 
didn't realize my tutelage was all at the hands of Inowitall Andudont and 
therefore I could run circles around your supposed knowledge on all of this. 
Currently, my teacher (you may have heard of her, she is the one and only 
Celestial Moody) and she focuses primarily on the Sovlakian Gangnum Style 
Romoulade cooking most favoured by Gypsy fire eaters. I am happy to provide 
some reading material if you care to expand your horizons. You appear to have 
spent an inordinate amount of time perusing the bargain section in your local 
book store and dwelling far to deeply into the make believe world of men - so 
many men. I guarantee that a woman's POV might prove fascinating for you (as I 
know all of my posts to you have left you further enlightened) and Ms Moody is 
jus the woman for the job.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: On Ramana, Yoga and Vedanta

Oh, I get it - the TMers are stupid to try and fly but you're smart when 
you claimed Rama could levitate. And you're smart when you gave MMY 
$5,000 and Rama $10,000 to learn how to fly, and I paid $35 to learn TM. 
Yeah, Wright. LOL!


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance



On 10/16/2013 8:32 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams wrote:

 Alright, I get it - post anything to make us TMers look stupid.

No, you really *don't* get it.

No one needs to post anything to accomplish this when the
TMers themselves still believe that they're flying when they
bounce around on their butts on slabs of foam, when they
assert that doing this changes the weather and prevents crime
and causes world peace, and believe there is going to be a TM
Renaissance Any Day Now, nigh unto the Merv Griffin days,
during which millions of people will suddenly realize how
great it is to be a TMer and that they should become one, too.

There is a term for such beliefs, but it's not stupid. It's
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megalomania

Just sayin'...

RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] College study finds Oreo cookies are as addictive as drugs

Yes, ready-made Double-stuff is an abomination! Only the painstaking twisting 
off, of two dry wafers, from two intact Oreos, and then the blessed union of 
creme-stuff from each, making a home-grown double-stuff, is acceptable. It 
tastes pretty good, when you work for it, but just adding another blob of creme 
at the factory, no fucking way!!!
  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 That is my experience. Those things are deadly, seriously. It is impossible to 
eat one. Eating six is about the minimum at any one sitting that I can handle. 
I only like the originals though - non of that double stuff for me. The balance 
of outer wafer to inner white filling is perfection just as it is.
 
 
 On Tuesday, October 15, 2013 8:27:53 PM, anartaxius@... anartaxius@... 
wrote:
 
   
http://www.foxnews.com/health/2013/10/15/college-study-finds-oreo-cookies-are-as-addictive-as-drugs/
 
http://www.foxnews.com/health/2013/10/15/college-study-finds-oreo-cookies-are-as-addictive-as-drugs/

RE: Re: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Places You Can#39;t Afford to Live

 Xeno, you say that people stop short of enlightenment because it seems that no 
progress is happening. And in the paragraph above that, you say that at some 
point the words have to go. And yet it is the words, or the knowledge and 
understanding that can help a person continue when all is flat and seemingly 
non progressive. Even Maharishi's analogy of going around an iceberg, seeming 
to go backwards has helped me continue. Am I a fool? Or am I persistent? Both? 
And does it even matter?
 

 The thing Xeno is talking about, is when all ideas, concepts, recited phrases, 
etc. go dry. No more juice or encouragement from them. The seeker feels shitty 
- end of story. This phase illustrates for the seeker, the futility of living 
in the future, where we want to get enlightened, or in the past, remembering a 
flashy spiritual experience. Even though the isolation one feels is the 
strongest, yet, it prepares us for a final surrender, a shift of identity, away 
from this isolated form. Whether, or not, a seeker decides to go through with 
the whole enchilada, is an exact reflection, of the degree to which a seeker 
takes spiritual liberation seriously.

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 Xeno, you say that people stop short of enlightenment because it seems that no 
progress is happening. And in the paragraph above that, you say that at some 
point the words have to go. And yet it is the words, or the knowledge and 
understanding that can help a person continue when all is flat and seemingly 
non progressive. Even Maharishi's analogy of going around an iceberg, seeming 
to go backwards has helped me continue. Am I a fool? Or am I persistent? Both? 
And does it even matter?

 

 
 
 On Tuesday, October 15, 2013 10:06 PM, anartaxius@... anartaxius@... wrote:
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 
  Dear MJ; Yes, working people back in that day of $3.35 an hour wages got a 
great deal then. However it is true the conservative meditator I here speak for 
feels deeply that people are not paying anywhere close to enough to learn TM at 
$1,500. And, the slacker kids living at home with their parents neither too. 
The TM movement could squeeze at least another thousand out of the new people 
coming to our Peace Palaces. It is extremely important to have commitment from 
new people as they start or you end up like some of the quitters we see here.
 -Buck  
 

 I think you may be missing something Buck. I am meditating in my fifth decade. 
Even after adjusting for inflation by current U.S. Government measures, the 
price I paid for TM was less than US$500 in current value. To continue with 
meditation, you have to have some kind of deep desire beyond simply thinking 
that some mental technique is going to solve all your problems, because it does 
not work out that way.
 

 Something has to motivate beyond feeling better because some situations may 
arise where you simply do not feel well at all, and one can go through periods 
where it really does not seem to be doing anything at all. When somebody is 
taught a technique I would say there is a 10 to 20 percent chance they will 
continue. This happened in my family, and in the family of friends, and in the 
few research papers that mentioned such data. It is not that people are 
slackers. For one thing our culture does not support meditation that well in 
spite of its being more in common awareness than previously.
 

 Another factor is the illusions the mind has. It affects groups and groups 
that teach meditation inevitably become weird in some way, particularly if 
religiosity is a part of the philosophy of the group. TM has always tried to 
hide its religiosity, but it oozes through the cracks so much you can almost 
drown in it. People have very strong religious delusions and when faced with a 
religiosity that is contrary to what they are emotionally programmed with, they 
may quit just for that reason alone.
 

 Basically you have to be kind of crazy to continue with meditation, there has 
to be something that pushes you forward, something you sense behind the bizarre 
character of the whatever system of 'enlightenment' you have fallen into that 
seems somehow 'true'. It is not something that can be quantified. There is a 
curiosity that one needs about this, not an entrenched belief that one is on a 
royal path to a nirvana. No belief can stand in the face of this curiosity if 
one is to 'succeed'; all beliefs will eventually be blown away. As Maharishi 
said, words of ignorance to remove ignorance. All the verbal knowledge in the 
movement are words of ignorance.
 

 Rightly applied they may work for you up to a point, but at some point they 
have to go, and it is up to the individual how they handle or fail to handle 
the transition. Most of the people that want to help you along on the path are 
going to help you fail because they failed to make that transition. I believe

[FairfieldLife] Anartaxius got it right

Anartaxius, this is an erudite, well reasoned piece of writing. I would add 
that most of the folks I have known who continue TM and who as you said wind up 
not feeling good for a number of reasons all have a pie in the sky attitude 
that ONE DAY TM will save them, ONE DAY they will be healthy, happy, 
enlightened and in bliss all the time, they will get support of nature for 
their least little desire and all will be well. 

Their daily experience is totally different, and should tell them that 
something ain't right, but they always operate on the overriding belief that 
since Marshy was a saint, all he said is true thus the problem cannot lie with 
TM or the never never land of its purported result (enlightenment) - the fault 
has to lie with the practitioner themselves. Their problems are their own 
stresses, their own bad karma – never mind that TM is supposed to erase all 
that, they keep plowing ahead and keep believing. 

Everyone believes in something – and there are folks I have known who have done 
TM for decades and led fairly happy lives, pretty healthy, decent income etc. 
that they attribute to TM. Good enough. But for the rest who in my experience 
constitute the vast majority, no matter how crappy their lives get, they 
continue to BELIEVE in the almighty myth of marshy's sainthood and the 
infallible effects of TM.

I certainly agree with your assessment that linking TM to pseudo-science is a 
disservice to TM, its practitioners and science itself. It makes the Movement 
look like a joke, which is why most people ignore the blandishments of David 
Lynch and his celebrity shills to take up the holy banner of TM to save the 
world. 

What men like John Hagelin who is one of the biggest jokes the Movement has 
created for his constant trumpeting of the Marshy Effect doesn't realize is 
that the old man had skills, talent, charisma and energy and he chose to use it 
to con people out of their money. The world saving effect of TMSP, the Marshy 
Effect was part of the con and that's all there is to it. 


On Wed, 10/16/13, anartax...@yahoo.com anartax...@yahoo.com wrote:

 I think you may be missing something Buck. I am meditating in
 my fifth decade. Even after adjusting for inflation by
 current U.S. Government measures, the price I paid for TM
 was less than US$500 in current value. To continue with
 meditation, you have to have some kind of deep desire beyond
 simply thinking that some mental technique is going to solve
 all your problems, because it does not work out that
 way.
 Something
 has to motivate beyond feeling better because some
 situations may arise where you simply do not feel well at
 all, and one can go through periods where it really does not
 seem to be doing anything at all. When somebody is taught a
 technique I would say there is a 10 to 20 percent chance
 they will continue. This happened in my family, and in the
 family of friends, and in the few research papers that
 mentioned such data. It is not that people are slackers. For
 one thing our culture does not support meditation that well
 in spite of its being more in common awareness than
 previously.
 Another
 factor is the illusions the mind has. It affects groups and
 groups that teach meditation inevitably become weird in some
 way, particularly if religiosity is a part of the philosophy
 of the group. TM has always tried to hide its religiosity,
 but it oozes through the cracks so much you can almost drown
 in it. People have very strong religious delusions and when
 faced with a religiosity that is contrary to what they are
 emotionally programmed with, they may quit just for that
 reason alone.
 Basically
 you have to be kind of crazy to continue with meditation,
 there has to be something that pushes you forward, something
 you sense behind the bizarre character of the whatever
 system of 'enlightenment' you have fallen into that
 seems somehow 'true'. It is not something that can
 be quantified. There is a curiosity that one needs about
 this, not an entrenched belief that one is on a royal path
 to a nirvana. No belief can stand in the face of this
 curiosity if one is to 'succeed'; all beliefs will
 eventually be blown away. As Maharishi said, words of
 ignorance to remove ignorance. All the verbal knowledge in
 the movement are words of ignorance.
 Rightly
 applied they may work
 for you up to a point, but at some point they have to go,
 and it is up to the individual how they handle or fail to
 handle the transition. Most of the people that want to help
 you along on the path are going to help you fail because
 they failed to make that transition. I believe M said at
 least CC was possible for everyone with TM, but CC is not
 enlightenment. That means a lot of people are going to fail,
 and they will not help you along your way; they will become
 an active force against your progress unless you know how to
 brush them aside and stay on purpose. You are one of

RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Places You Can#39;t Afford to Live

Yeah, it is expensive as hell here - oh well, great area. Our state and local
sales tax here is 9.5 percent. I am surprised your dad didn't employ one of the
many tax dodges commonly used to avoid estate taxes, like putting assets in his
children's names, or establishing a trust, or creating a charitable foundation.
The base is fairly high here in the US, for taxing estates, over a million
something, so it is just the rich who jump through hoops, to avoid it.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

On Tuesday, October 15, 2013 9:47:25 AM, doctordumbass@...
doctordumbass@... wrote:

Consider yourself lucky, Ann. My property taxes are about $9000 per year,
for an 1800 sq. ft., 65 year old house.

Whoa! That is an inordinate amount. That is waterfront-type property taxes up
here. We also have GST tax on all services plus that is added to our 7%
Provincial tax on virtually all retail goods. So we pay 12% sales tax on most
items we buy. I can't remember how our income taxes compare but Canada does not
have any inheritance taxes. My father looked into becoming a Canadian citizen
before he died just to save the 55% inheritance taxes on his estate. I wish he
had!

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

An old couple I know down in San Antonio live in the family home that they
inherited from his auntie. The guy says he pays about $100 per month in
property taxes. Sounds like pretty cheap rent for a 1200 sq ft place on the
south side of town. A lot of his property taxes go to local public schools.
And, he doesn't even have any children! Go figure.

Yes, he is subsidizing your children just as I subsidize all those children I
don't have up here in Canada with my property taxes. So, it appears we both
live in Socialistic countries after all. Unfortunately, my taxes are over $5000
per year for a 2900 sq foot house and a horse barn and hay barn.

According to what I've read, a family shouldn't spend more than 31 percent of
its pre-tax income on housing. Using those calculations, these 10 metros are
the least affordable:

'Places Where The Middle Class Can’t Afford To Live Anymore'
http://www.theatlanticcities.com/housing//
http://www.theatlanticcities.com/housing/2013/10/where-even-middle-class-cant-afford-live-any-more/7194/

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Re: On Ramana, Yoga and Vedanta

This is how low some people will go just to win an argument. Barry used 
to be in favor of TM, back when he was posting as Shoki. But for the 
past ten years, Barry has been against TM. If Judy is for it, then Barry 
is against it. Now that's pretty low. He will apparently stoop to just 
about any level to make the TMers look stupid, as a way to get back at 
Judy. Go figure.


On 10/16/2013 8:45 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:


Richard wrote:

  Alright, I get it - post anything to make us TMers look stupid.

Barry wrote:
 No, you really *don't* get it.

 No one needs to post anything to accomplish this

Says Barry, posting something to accomplish making TMers look stupid.

 when the
 TMers themselves still believe that they're flying when they
 bounce around on their butts on slabs of foam

I don't think any TM-Sidhis practitioners think they're flying--in
the sense of staying up in the air longer than gravity would permit--
when they bounce on foam. I don't think Barry thinks they do
either, but he obviously feels the need to try to make TMers look
stupid even if he has to trash the truth to do it.

What's interesting is that he doesn't realize how stupid /he/ looks
when he does this.

Just sayin'...

RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Ritam

Sounds like that chunk of stuff that was always in a can of pork and beans. 
I'll take crisp bacon, or pulled pork, or a stuffed tenderloin over that, any 
day! 
  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 for those who may not know, streak o lean is fat taken from the back of the 
hog - fat back is the pure fat, streak o lean is about 90% fat with a just a 
thin streak of lean meat running through the middle of the fat. The MD ladies 
are wanting some mighty bad in their rice and dhal even if they don't know it.
 
 On Wed, 10/16/13, Richard Williams punditster@... mailto:punditster@... 
wrote:
 
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Ritam
 To: Richard J. Williams FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Wednesday, October 16, 2013, 1:39 PM
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Now that's better - I was
 beginning to think I was dealing with retards on this
 discussion group. I'm glad to see that at least someone
 has some real integrity left in them. Keep up the good work
 - let's really make these TMers look stupid. That
 religious group up in Iowa needs to be exposed and stamped
 out fer sure. You are one of the most interesting fink
 informers on this list. Thanks for all the info who ever you
 are.
 
 
 On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at
 5:55 PM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... mailto:mjackson74@...
 wrote:
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 I had a ritam today - I saw myself in the Mother
 Divine and Purusha kitchens, putting about a pound and a
 half of streak o'lean in their mung dhal - I saw then
 all eat the dhal, with basmati rice of course and then every
 one of them got enlightened, thanks to me and streak
 o'lean.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ritam

Good one - feed the vegetarian Hindus the pig fat - and while you're at 
it, send some to the Muslims too. Good work - you really made them all 
look really stupid! Sweet!


On 10/16/2013 8:47 AM, Michael Jackson wrote:


for those who may not know, streak o lean is fat taken from the back 
of the hog - fat back is the pure fat, streak o lean is about 90% fat 
with a just a thin streak of lean meat running through the middle of 
the fat. The MD ladies are wanting some mighty bad in their rice and 
dhal even if they don't know it.


On Wed, 10/16/13, Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote:

Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Ritam
To: Richard J. Williams FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, October 16, 2013, 1:39 PM


























Now that's better - I was
beginning to think I was dealing with retards on this
discussion group. I'm glad to see that at least someone
has some real integrity left in them. Keep up the good work
- let's really make these TMers look stupid. That
religious group up in Iowa needs to be exposed and stamped
out fer sure. You are one of the most interesting fink
informers on this list. Thanks for all the info who ever you
are.


On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at
5:55 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com
wrote:


























I had a ritam today - I saw myself in the Mother
Divine and Purusha kitchens, putting about a pound and a
half of streak o'lean in their mung dhal - I saw then
all eat the dhal, with basmati rice of course and then every
one of them got enlightened, thanks to me and streak
o'lean.

Re: Re: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Places You Can't Afford to Live

Wonderful, Doc, I agree. Except I don't think we have to take it seriously or 
unseriously or any certain way at all. Life is flowing along however we take it.





On Wednesday, October 16, 2013 8:53 AM, doctordumb...@rocketmail.com 
doctordumb...@rocketmail.com wrote:
 
  
 Xeno, you say that people stop short of enlightenment because it seems that 
no progress is happening. And in the paragraph above that, you say that 
at some point the words have to go. And yet it is the words, or the 
knowledge and understanding that can help a person continue when all is 
flat and seemingly non progressive. Even Maharishi's analogy of going 
around an iceberg, seeming to go backwards has helped me continue. Am I a fool? 
Or am I persistent? Both? And does it even matter?

The thing Xeno is talking about, is when all ideas, concepts, recited phrases, 
etc. go dry. No more juice or encouragement from them. The seeker feels shitty 
- end of story. This phase illustrates for the seeker, the futility of living 
in the future, where we want to get enlightened, or in the past, remembering a 
flashy spiritual experience. Even though the isolation one feels is the 
strongest, yet, it prepares us for a final surrender, a shift of identity, away 
from this isolated form. Whether, or not, a seeker decides to go through with 
the whole enchilada, is an exact reflection, of the degree to which a seeker 
takes spiritual liberation seriously.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:


Xeno, you say that people stop short of enlightenment because it seems that no 
progress is happening. And in the paragraph above that, you say that at some 
point the words have to go. And yet it is the words, or the knowledge and 
understanding that can help a person continue when all is flat and seemingly 
non progressive. Even Maharishi's analogy of going around an iceberg, seeming 
to go backwards has helped me continue. Am I a fool? Or am I persistent? Both? 
And does it even matter?






On Tuesday, October 15, 2013 10:06 PM, anartaxius@... anartaxius@... wrote:
 
  
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:


 Dear MJ;  Yes, working people back
in that day of  $3.35 an hour wages got a great deal then. However
it is true the conservative meditator I here speak for feels deeply
that people are not paying anywhere close to enough to learn TM at
$1,500.  And, the slacker kids living at home with their parents
neither too.  The TM movement could squeeze at least another thousand
out of the new people coming to our Peace Palaces.  It is extremely
important to have commitment from new people as they start or you end
up like some of the quitters we see here.
-Buck  

I think you may be missing something Buck. I am meditating in my fifth decade. 
Even after adjusting for inflation by current U.S. Government measures, the 
price I paid for TM was less than US$500 in current value. To continue with 
meditation, you have to have some kind of deep desire beyond simply thinking 
that some mental technique is going to solve all your problems, because it does 
not work out that way.

Something has to motivate beyond feeling better because some situations may 
arise where you simply do not feel well at all, and one can go through periods 
where it really does not seem to be doing anything at all. When somebody is 
taught a technique I would say there is a 10 to 20 percent chance they will 
continue. This happened in my family, and in the family of friends, and in the 
few research papers that mentioned such data. It is not that people are 
slackers. For one thing our culture does not support meditation that well in 
spite of its being more in common awareness than previously.

Another factor is the illusions the mind has. It affects groups and groups that 
teach meditation inevitably become weird in some way, particularly if 
religiosity is a part of the philosophy of the group. TM has always tried to 
hide its religiosity, but it oozes through the cracks so much you can almost 
drown in it. People have very strong religious delusions and when faced with a 
religiosity that is contrary to what they are emotionally programmed with, they 
may quit just for that reason alone.

Basically you have to be kind of crazy to continue with meditation, there has 
to be something that pushes you forward, something you sense behind the bizarre 
character of the whatever system of 'enlightenment' you have fallen into that 
seems somehow 'true'. It is not something that can be quantified. There is a 
curiosity that one needs about this, not an entrenched belief that one is on a 
royal path to a nirvana. No belief can stand in the face of this curiosity if 
one is to 'succeed'; all beliefs will eventually be blown away. As Maharishi 
said, words of ignorance to remove ignorance. All the verbal knowledge in the 
movement are words of ignorance.

Rightly applied they may work for you up to a point, but at

Re: [FairfieldLife] Anartaxius got it right

Yeah, you guys really made all the TMers on this discussion group look 
stupid - you're both very advanced I can tell. MMY or John Hagelin can't 
hold a candle to all your accomplishments!


So, we are sorry you got conned out of your money and that we forced you 
into servitude in the school cafeteria and now your life is so crappy 
because you didn't graduate from college and it's all our fault - we are 
to blame for all your life decisions - since you were brain washed into 
believing you could fly and now you can only post messages to the internet.


 Now, was that message any help?


On 10/16/2013 8:51 AM, Michael Jackson wrote:


Anartaxius, this is an erudite, well reasoned piece of writing. I 
would add that most of the folks I have known who continue TM and who 
as you said wind up not feeling good for a number of reasons all have 
a pie in the sky attitude that ONE DAY TM will save them, ONE DAY they 
will be healthy, happy, enlightened and in bliss all the time, they 
will get support of nature for their least little desire and all will 
be well.


Their daily experience is totally different, and should tell them that 
something ain't right, but they always operate on the overriding 
belief that since Marshy was a saint, all he said is true thus the 
problem cannot lie with TM or the never never land of its purported 
result (enlightenment) - the fault has to lie with the practitioner 
themselves. Their problems are their own stresses, their own bad karma 
– never mind that TM is supposed to erase all that, they keep plowing 
ahead and keep believing.


Everyone believes in something – and there are folks I have known who 
have done TM for decades and led fairly happy lives, pretty healthy, 
decent income etc. that they attribute to TM. Good enough. But for the 
rest who in my experience constitute the vast majority, no matter how 
crappy their lives get, they continue to BELIEVE in the almighty myth 
of marshy's sainthood and the infallible effects of TM.


I certainly agree with your assessment that linking TM to 
pseudo-science is a disservice to TM, its practitioners and science 
itself. It makes the Movement look like a joke, which is why most 
people ignore the blandishments of David Lynch and his celebrity 
shills to take up the holy banner of TM to save the world.


What men like John Hagelin who is one of the biggest jokes the 
Movement has created for his constant trumpeting of the Marshy Effect 
doesn't realize is that the old man had skills, talent, charisma and 
energy and he chose to use it to con people out of their money. The 
world saving effect of TMSP, the Marshy Effect was part of the con and 
that's all there is to it.



On Wed, 10/16/13, anartax...@yahoo.com anartax...@yahoo.com wrote:

I think you may be missing something Buck. I am meditating in
my fifth decade. Even after adjusting for inflation by
current U.S. Government measures, the price I paid for TM
was less than US$500 in current value. To continue with
meditation, you have to have some kind of deep desire beyond
simply thinking that some mental technique is going to solve
all your problems, because it does not work out that
way.
Something
has to motivate beyond feeling better because some
situations may arise where you simply do not feel well at
all, and one can go through periods where it really does not
seem to be doing anything at all. When somebody is taught a
technique I would say there is a 10 to 20 percent chance
they will continue. This happened in my family, and in the
family of friends, and in the few research papers that
mentioned such data. It is not that people are slackers. For
one thing our culture does not support meditation that well
in spite of its being more in common awareness than
previously.
Another
factor is the illusions the mind has. It affects groups and
groups that teach meditation inevitably become weird in some
way, particularly if religiosity is a part of the philosophy
of the group. TM has always tried to hide its religiosity,
but it oozes through the cracks so much you can almost drown
in it. People have very strong religious delusions and when
faced with a religiosity that is contrary to what they are
emotionally programmed with, they may quit just for that
reason alone.
Basically
you have to be kind of crazy to continue with meditation,
there has to be something that pushes you forward, something
you sense behind the bizarre character of the whatever
system of 'enlightenment' you have fallen into that
seems somehow 'true'. It is not something that can
be quantified. There is a curiosity that one needs about
this, not an entrenched belief that one is on a royal path
to a nirvana. No belief can stand in the face of this
curiosity if one is to 'succeed'; all beliefs will
eventually be blown away. As Maharishi said, words of
ignorance to remove ignorance. All the verbal knowledge in
the movement are words of ignorance.
Rightly
applied

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Re: Re: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Places You Can't Afford to Live

PS, Doc, this sounds like dark night of the soul. I wonder how many on FFL have 
experienced that. Is it possible to have more than one? I think so!





On Wednesday, October 16, 2013 8:53 AM, doctordumb...@rocketmail.com 
doctordumb...@rocketmail.com wrote:
 
  
 Xeno, you say that people stop short of enlightenment because it seems that 
no progress is happening. And in the paragraph above that, you say that 
at some point the words have to go. And yet it is the words, or the 
knowledge and understanding that can help a person continue when all is 
flat and seemingly non progressive. Even Maharishi's analogy of going 
around an iceberg, seeming to go backwards has helped me continue. Am I a fool? 
Or am I persistent? Both? And does it even matter?

The thing Xeno is talking about, is when all ideas, concepts, recited phrases, 
etc. go dry. No more juice or encouragement from them. The seeker feels shitty 
- end of story. This phase illustrates for the seeker, the futility of living 
in the future, where we want to get enlightened, or in the past, remembering a 
flashy spiritual experience. Even though the isolation one feels is the 
strongest, yet, it prepares us for a final surrender, a shift of identity, away 
from this isolated form. Whether, or not, a seeker decides to go through with 
the whole enchilada, is an exact reflection, of the degree to which a seeker 
takes spiritual liberation seriously.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:


Xeno, you say that people stop short of enlightenment because it seems that no 
progress is happening. And in the paragraph above that, you say that at some 
point the words have to go. And yet it is the words, or the knowledge and 
understanding that can help a person continue when all is flat and seemingly 
non progressive. Even Maharishi's analogy of going around an iceberg, seeming 
to go backwards has helped me continue. Am I a fool? Or am I persistent? Both? 
And does it even matter?






On Tuesday, October 15, 2013 10:06 PM, anartaxius@... anartaxius@... wrote:
 
  
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:


 Dear MJ;  Yes, working people back
in that day of  $3.35 an hour wages got a great deal then. However
it is true the conservative meditator I here speak for feels deeply
that people are not paying anywhere close to enough to learn TM at
$1,500.  And, the slacker kids living at home with their parents
neither too.  The TM movement could squeeze at least another thousand
out of the new people coming to our Peace Palaces.  It is extremely
important to have commitment from new people as they start or you end
up like some of the quitters we see here.
-Buck  

I think you may be missing something Buck. I am meditating in my fifth decade. 
Even after adjusting for inflation by current U.S. Government measures, the 
price I paid for TM was less than US$500 in current value. To continue with 
meditation, you have to have some kind of deep desire beyond simply thinking 
that some mental technique is going to solve all your problems, because it does 
not work out that way.

Something has to motivate beyond feeling better because some situations may 
arise where you simply do not feel well at all, and one can go through periods 
where it really does not seem to be doing anything at all. When somebody is 
taught a technique I would say there is a 10 to 20 percent chance they will 
continue. This happened in my family, and in the family of friends, and in the 
few research papers that mentioned such data. It is not that people are 
slackers. For one thing our culture does not support meditation that well in 
spite of its being more in common awareness than previously.

Another factor is the illusions the mind has. It affects groups and groups that 
teach meditation inevitably become weird in some way, particularly if 
religiosity is a part of the philosophy of the group. TM has always tried to 
hide its religiosity, but it oozes through the cracks so much you can almost 
drown in it. People have very strong religious delusions and when faced with a 
religiosity that is contrary to what they are emotionally programmed with, they 
may quit just for that reason alone.

Basically you have to be kind of crazy to continue with meditation, there has 
to be something that pushes you forward, something you sense behind the bizarre 
character of the whatever system of 'enlightenment' you have fallen into that 
seems somehow 'true'. It is not something that can be quantified. There is a 
curiosity that one needs about this, not an entrenched belief that one is on a 
royal path to a nirvana. No belief can stand in the face of this curiosity if 
one is to 'succeed'; all beliefs will eventually be blown away. As Maharishi 
said, words of ignorance to remove ignorance. All the verbal knowledge in the 
movement are words of ignorance.

Rightly applied they may work for you up to a point, but at some point

Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] College study finds Oreo cookies are as addictive as drugs

Candy corn! Yuck! Might as well fill up the syringe with high fructose corn 
syrup and inject it right into your bloodstream! Perfect dessert to accompany 
streak o lean IMHO! Make sure your will, etc. is in order first!





On Wednesday, October 16, 2013 8:51 AM, doctordumb...@rocketmail.com 
doctordumb...@rocketmail.com wrote:
 
  
Yes, ready-made Double-stuff is an abomination! Only the painstaking twisting 
off, of two dry wafers, from two intact Oreos, and then the blessed union of 
creme-stuff from each, making a home-grown double-stuff, is acceptable. It 
tastes pretty good, when you work for it, but just adding another blob of creme 
at the factory, no fucking way!!!

 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:


That is my experience. Those things are deadly, seriously. It is impossible to 
eat one. Eating six is about the minimum at any one sitting that I can handle. 
I only like the originals though - non of that double stuff for me. The balance 
of outer wafer to inner white filling is perfection just as it is.



On Tuesday, October 15, 2013 8:27:53 PM, anartaxius@... anartaxius@... 
wrote:
 
  
http://www.foxnews.com/health/2013/10/15/college-study-finds-oreo-cookies-are-as-addictive-as-drugs/

Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] College study finds Oreo cookies are as addictive as drugs

2013-10-16 Thread Ann Woelfle Bater

Candy corn and candy corn flavoured Oreo cookies are two different things. I
can't imagine why anyone would want to make Oreo cookies into a candy corn
flavour when the original is perfection itself.

On Wednesday, October 16, 2013 7:44:57 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com
wrote:

Candy corn! Yuck! Might as well fill up the syringe with high fructose corn
syrup and inject it right into your bloodstream! Perfect dessert to accompany
streak o lean IMHO! Make sure your will, etc. is in order first!

On Wednesday, October 16, 2013 8:51 AM, doctordumb...@rocketmail.com
doctordumb...@rocketmail.com wrote:

Yes, ready-made Double-stuff is an abomination! Only the painstaking twisting
off, of two dry wafers, from two intact Oreos, and then the blessed union of
creme-stuff from each, making a home-grown double-stuff, is acceptable. It
tastes pretty good, when you work for it, but just adding another blob of creme
at the factory, no fucking way!!!

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

That is my experience. Those things are deadly, seriously. It is impossible to
eat one. Eating six is about the minimum at any one sitting that I can handle.
I only like the originals though - non of that double stuff for me. The balance
of outer wafer to inner white filling is perfection just as it is.

On Tuesday, October 15, 2013 8:27:53 PM, anartaxius@... anartaxius@...
wrote:

http://www.foxnews.com/health/2013/10/15/college-study-finds-oreo-cookies-are-as-addictive-as-drugs/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Pricing TM to Teach [more] Meditators

2013-10-16 Thread TurquoiseB

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

  Look, in this the new millennium, the TM movement Boards
 of Trustees and Councils are going to have to rise up and
 actively look-out for the movement business, the Knowledge,
 and even look out for Nader Ram as Maha administrator
 sovereign of TM too. They may have to change their thinking.

For those who thought my citation of
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megalomania
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megalomania  was too
strong, try to step back from all your decades of
programming and look at the above.

Buck seems to believe that we're now in a new
millennium, clearly due to the influence of a few
butt-bouncers in a small town in the backwaters of
Iowa. He further seems to believe that the made-up
titles and positions of Trustee or Council actually
*mean* something. He feels so strongly that the view
of life and the world propounded by these made-up
organizations is so important as to be capitalized as
Knowledge.

He then goes on to call a guy whose real name is
Tony Nader by another made-up name (Nader Ram)
and suggests another made-up title and position for
him,  Maha administrator sovereign of TM.

Try, just for a moment, to look at all of this without
all the decades of TM conditioning. If you encountered
someone on the street talking like this, wouldn't you
consider them a candidate for megalomania?

Just sayin'...

[FairfieldLife] RE: College study finds Oreo cookies are as addictive as drugs

2013-10-16 Thread j_alexander_stanley

“Our research supports the theory that high-fat/ high-sugar foods stimulate 
the brain in the same way that drugs do,” Neuroscience Professor Joseph 
Schroeder said in a school press release.
 

 For me, the problem isn't the sugar or the fat, but rather the starch, which 
is ultimately just pure glucose. Back in 2003, when I was gorging myself to 
190+ pounds, my favorite snack binge was an entire box of Newman-Os, Paul 
Newman's organic version of Oreos, which I would inhale in a matter of minutes. 
I'd then sleep off the blood sugar crash and have a few dried dates when I woke 
up. It was an endless blood sugar roller coaster. But, I can eat a pint of ice 
cream and be completely satisfied and suffer no blood sugar issues. To crash my 
blood sugar on ice cream, I have to eat a quart or more, and ice cream just 
doesn't have that binge driving effect on me that starchy snack foods do.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 
http://www.foxnews.com/health/2013/10/15/college-study-finds-oreo-cookies-are-as-addictive-as-drugs/
 
http://www.foxnews.com/health/2013/10/15/college-study-finds-oreo-cookies-are-as-addictive-as-drugs/

Re: [FairfieldLife] College study finds Oreo cookies are as addictive as drugs

Forget Oreos, the deadly ones are Trader Joes Joe-Joes which come in all 
kinds of different flavors and now they have gluten free ones for those 
who are into that craze!  Betcha can't eat just 5.


On 10/16/2013 06:40 AM, Ann Woelfle Bater wrote:
That is my experience. Those things are deadly, seriously. It is 
impossible to eat one. Eating six is about the minimum at any one 
sitting that I can handle. I only like the originals though - non of 
that double stuff for me. The balance of outer wafer to inner white 
filling is perfection just as it is.



On Tuesday, October 15, 2013 8:27:53 PM, anartax...@yahoo.com 
anartax...@yahoo.com wrote:

http://www.foxnews.com/health/2013/10/15/college-study-finds-oreo-cookies-are-as-addictive-as-drugs/

[FairfieldLife] Fwd: FW: Orcas--close to 20

2013-10-16 Thread wleed3












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RE: Re: Re: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Places You Can#39;t Afford to Live

Yeah, we can have lots of them. Should be called the dark night of the ego. 
Seriously. 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 PS, Doc, this sounds like dark night of the soul. I wonder how many on FFL 
have experienced that. Is it possible to have more than one? I think so!
 
 
 
 On Wednesday, October 16, 2013 8:53 AM, doctordumbass@... 
doctordumbass@... wrote:
 
Xeno, you say that people stop short of enlightenment because it seems that 
no progress is happening. And in the paragraph above that, you say that at some 
point the words have to go. And yet it is the words, or the knowledge and 
understanding that can help a person continue when all is flat and seemingly 
non progressive. Even Maharishi's analogy of going around an iceberg, seeming 
to go backwards has helped me continue. Am I a fool? Or am I persistent? Both? 
And does it even matter?
 

 The thing Xeno is talking about, is when all ideas, concepts, recited phrases, 
etc. go dry. No more juice or encouragement from them. The seeker feels shitty 
- end of story. This phase illustrates for the seeker, the futility of living 
in the future, where we want to get enlightened, or in the past, remembering a 
flashy spiritual experience. Even though the isolation one feels is the 
strongest, yet, it prepares us for a final surrender, a shift of identity, away 
from this isolated form. Whether, or not, a seeker decides to go through with 
the whole enchilada, is an exact reflection, of the degree to which a seeker 
takes spiritual liberation seriously.

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 Xeno, you say that people stop short of enlightenment because it seems that no 
progress is happening. And in the paragraph above that, you say that at some 
point the words have to go. And yet it is the words, or the knowledge and 
understanding that can help a person continue when all is flat and seemingly 
non progressive. Even Maharishi's analogy of going around an iceberg, seeming 
to go backwards has helped me continue. Am I a fool? Or am I persistent? Both? 
And does it even matter?

 

 
 
 On Tuesday, October 15, 2013 10:06 PM, anartaxius@... anartaxius@... wrote:
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 
  Dear MJ; Yes, working people back in that day of $3.35 an hour wages got a 
great deal then. However it is true the conservative meditator I here speak for 
feels deeply that people are not paying anywhere close to enough to learn TM at 
$1,500. And, the slacker kids living at home with their parents neither too. 
The TM movement could squeeze at least another thousand out of the new people 
coming to our Peace Palaces. It is extremely important to have commitment from 
new people as they start or you end up like some of the quitters we see here.
 -Buck  
 

 I think you may be missing something Buck. I am meditating in my fifth decade. 
Even after adjusting for inflation by current U.S. Government measures, the 
price I paid for TM was less than US$500 in current value. To continue with 
meditation, you have to have some kind of deep desire beyond simply thinking 
that some mental technique is going to solve all your problems, because it does 
not work out that way.
 

 Something has to motivate beyond feeling better because some situations may 
arise where you simply do not feel well at all, and one can go through periods 
where it really does not seem to be doing anything at all. When somebody is 
taught a technique I would say there is a 10 to 20 percent chance they will 
continue. This happened in my family, and in the family of friends, and in the 
few research papers that mentioned such data. It is not that people are 
slackers. For one thing our culture does not support meditation that well in 
spite of its being more in common awareness than previously.
 

 Another factor is the illusions the mind has. It affects groups and groups 
that teach meditation inevitably become weird in some way, particularly if 
religiosity is a part of the philosophy of the group. TM has always tried to 
hide its religiosity, but it oozes through the cracks so much you can almost 
drown in it. People have very strong religious delusions and when faced with a 
religiosity that is contrary to what they are emotionally programmed with, they 
may quit just for that reason alone.
 

 Basically you have to be kind of crazy to continue with meditation, there has 
to be something that pushes you forward, something you sense behind the bizarre 
character of the whatever system of 'enlightenment' you have fallen into that 
seems somehow 'true'. It is not something that can be quantified. There is a 
curiosity that one needs about this, not an entrenched belief that one is on a 
royal path to a nirvana. No belief can stand in the face of this curiosity if 
one is to 'succeed'; all beliefs will eventually be blown away. As Maharishi 
said, words of

RE: Re: Re: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Places You Can#39;t Afford to Live

Intention counts. A lot.
  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 Wonderful, Doc, I agree. Except I don't think we have to take it seriously or 
unseriously or any certain way at all. Life is flowing along however we take it.
 

 
 
 On Wednesday, October 16, 2013 8:53 AM, doctordumbass@... 
doctordumbass@... wrote:
 
Xeno, you say that people stop short of enlightenment because it seems that 
no progress is happening. And in the paragraph above that, you say that at some 
point the words have to go. And yet it is the words, or the knowledge and 
understanding that can help a person continue when all is flat and seemingly 
non progressive. Even Maharishi's analogy of going around an iceberg, seeming 
to go backwards has helped me continue. Am I a fool? Or am I persistent? Both? 
And does it even matter?
 

 The thing Xeno is talking about, is when all ideas, concepts, recited phrases, 
etc. go dry. No more juice or encouragement from them. The seeker feels shitty 
- end of story. This phase illustrates for the seeker, the futility of living 
in the future, where we want to get enlightened, or in the past, remembering a 
flashy spiritual experience. Even though the isolation one feels is the 
strongest, yet, it prepares us for a final surrender, a shift of identity, away 
from this isolated form. Whether, or not, a seeker decides to go through with 
the whole enchilada, is an exact reflection, of the degree to which a seeker 
takes spiritual liberation seriously.

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 Xeno, you say that people stop short of enlightenment because it seems that no 
progress is happening. And in the paragraph above that, you say that at some 
point the words have to go. And yet it is the words, or the knowledge and 
understanding that can help a person continue when all is flat and seemingly 
non progressive. Even Maharishi's analogy of going around an iceberg, seeming 
to go backwards has helped me continue. Am I a fool? Or am I persistent? Both? 
And does it even matter?

 

 
 
 On Tuesday, October 15, 2013 10:06 PM, anartaxius@... anartaxius@... wrote:
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 
  Dear MJ; Yes, working people back in that day of $3.35 an hour wages got a 
great deal then. However it is true the conservative meditator I here speak for 
feels deeply that people are not paying anywhere close to enough to learn TM at 
$1,500. And, the slacker kids living at home with their parents neither too. 
The TM movement could squeeze at least another thousand out of the new people 
coming to our Peace Palaces. It is extremely important to have commitment from 
new people as they start or you end up like some of the quitters we see here.
 -Buck  
 

 I think you may be missing something Buck. I am meditating in my fifth decade. 
Even after adjusting for inflation by current U.S. Government measures, the 
price I paid for TM was less than US$500 in current value. To continue with 
meditation, you have to have some kind of deep desire beyond simply thinking 
that some mental technique is going to solve all your problems, because it does 
not work out that way.
 

 Something has to motivate beyond feeling better because some situations may 
arise where you simply do not feel well at all, and one can go through periods 
where it really does not seem to be doing anything at all. When somebody is 
taught a technique I would say there is a 10 to 20 percent chance they will 
continue. This happened in my family, and in the family of friends, and in the 
few research papers that mentioned such data. It is not that people are 
slackers. For one thing our culture does not support meditation that well in 
spite of its being more in common awareness than previously.
 

 Another factor is the illusions the mind has. It affects groups and groups 
that teach meditation inevitably become weird in some way, particularly if 
religiosity is a part of the philosophy of the group. TM has always tried to 
hide its religiosity, but it oozes through the cracks so much you can almost 
drown in it. People have very strong religious delusions and when faced with a 
religiosity that is contrary to what they are emotionally programmed with, they 
may quit just for that reason alone.
 

 Basically you have to be kind of crazy to continue with meditation, there has 
to be something that pushes you forward, something you sense behind the bizarre 
character of the whatever system of 'enlightenment' you have fallen into that 
seems somehow 'true'. It is not something that can be quantified. There is a 
curiosity that one needs about this, not an entrenched belief that one is on a 
royal path to a nirvana. No belief can stand in the face of this curiosity if 
one is to 'succeed'; all beliefs will eventually be blown away. As Maharishi 
said, words of ignorance to remove ignorance. All the verbal

[FairfieldLife] Some Halloween Tantra for the Netflixers

'tis the season for horror films and they are often a bit rare from the 
land of the Ved.  But Netflix does have the Bollywood hit Raaz 3 and 
in striking 1080p SuperHD and Dolby Digital Plus, that is if you have 
the gear for it.  Raaz 3 is a film about an Bollywood actress who 
feels deprived at winning an award at their yearly version of the 
Oscars so she uses black magic to get back at her competitor.  The 
tantric part is not the black magic as a tantric is called in to save 
the actress she put a spell on.

Of course you need an acquired taste for Bollywood movies and their 
length.  This one is 139 minutes long.  Some kitch dancing around trees 
or dancing on the movie set.  I got into these a decade ago to help 
learn Hindi (yes there subtitles). The picture quality was near Blu-ray 
with SuperHD and I also added a new Yamaha AV Receiver which handles DD+ 
and my speakers have never sounded so good.

Rated not for Turq and Buck may not like the kissing.

http://movies.netflix.com/WiMovie/Raaz_3_The_Third_Dimension/70256939

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: College study finds Oreo cookies are as addictive as drugs

My current indulgence is almond butter with some drops of stevia. Yummy but 
seems to be kind of a sleeping potion!





On Wednesday, October 16, 2013 10:31 AM, j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com 
j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
  
“Our research supports the theory that high-fat/ high-sugar foods stimulate 
the brain in the same way that drugs do,” Neuroscience Professor Joseph 
Schroeder said in a school press release.

For me, the problem isn't the sugar or the fat, but rather the starch, which is 
ultimately just pure glucose. Back in 2003, when I was gorging myself to 190+ 
pounds, my favorite snack binge was an entire box of Newman-Os, Paul Newman's 
organic version of Oreos, which I would inhale in a matter of minutes. I'd then 
sleep off the blood sugar crash and have a few dried dates when I woke up. It 
was an endless blood sugar roller coaster. But, I can eat a pint of ice cream 
and be completely satisfied and suffer no blood sugar issues. To crash my blood 
sugar on ice cream, I have to eat a quart or more, and ice cream just doesn't 
have that binge driving effect on me that starchy snack foods do.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:


http://www.foxnews.com/health/2013/10/15/college-study-finds-oreo-cookies-are-as-addictive-as-drugs/

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pricing TM to Teach [more] Meditators

Yeah, you really told off old Buck and made him look really stupid. Good 
work! You managed to send a message on company time at work. Very 
impressive! Now, about that Rama levitation event...


On 10/16/2013 10:30 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote:

 Look, in this the new millennium, the TM movement Boards
 of Trustees and Councils are going to have to rise up and
 actively look-out for the movement business, the Knowledge,
 and even look out for Nader Ram as Maha administrator
 sovereign of TM too. They may have to change their thinking.

For those who thought my citation of
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megalomania was too
strong, try to step back from all your decades of
programming and look at the above.

Buck seems to believe that we're now in a new
millennium, clearly due to the influence of a few
butt-bouncers in a small town in the backwaters of
Iowa. He further seems to believe that the made-up
titles and positions of Trustee or Council actually
*mean* something. He feels so strongly that the view
of life and the world propounded by these made-up
organizations is so important as to be capitalized as
Knowledge.

He then goes on to call a guy whose real name is
Tony Nader by another made-up name (Nader Ram)
and suggests another made-up title and position for
him,  Maha administrator sovereign of TM.

Try, just for a moment, to look at all of this without
all the decades of TM conditioning. If you encountered
someone on the street talking like this, wouldn't you
consider them a candidate for megalomania?

Just sayin'...

RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Ritam

Its pretty foul stuff, but you wouldn't believe how many people love their 
veggies flavored with some strek o'lean or even fried streak o'lean. I used to 
know this old bastard who would put on fish fries, and in addition to the fried 
fish, he would offer folks fat back sandwiches which consisted of frozen pieces 
of white bread, Sunbeam or Bunny bread, take the fat back and drop it in the 
hot oil used to fry the fish. Half of the fat back would dissolve cause its all 
fat, but what was left was crispy on the outside and then you take the piping 
hot piece of pure pork fried fat and slap it onto a piece of the frozen bread, 
the heat from the fried fatback would thaw the bread and the cold of the bread 
would cool the fatback enough to eat it - this feller had at least one heart 
attack I know of before he died.

On Wed, 10/16/13, doctordumb...@rocketmail.com doctordumb...@rocketmail.com 
wrote:

 Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Ritam
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Wednesday, October 16, 2013, 2:11 PM
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
 
 
   
 
 
 
   
   
   Sounds like that chunk of stuff that was always in
 a can of pork and beans. I'll take crisp bacon, or
 pulled pork, or a stuffed tenderloin over that, any day! 
   
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
 fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 
 for those who may
 not know, streak o lean is fat taken from the back of the
 hog - fat back is the pure fat, streak o lean is about 90%
 fat with a just a thin streak of lean meat running through
 the middle of the fat. The MD ladies are wanting some mighty
 bad in their rice and dhal even if they don't know it.
 
 
 
  On Wed, 10/16/13, Richard Williams
 punditster@...
 wrote:
 
 
 
  Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Ritam
 
  To: Richard J. Williams FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 
  Date: Wednesday, October 16, 2013, 1:39 PM
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
   
 
  
 
  
 
  
 

 
  
 
  
 
  
 

 

 
Now that's better - I was
 
  beginning to think I was dealing with retards on this
 
  discussion group. I'm glad to see that at least
 someone
 
  has some real integrity left in them. Keep up the good
 work
 
  - let's really make these TMers look stupid. That
 
  religious group up in Iowa needs to be exposed and stamped
 
  out fer sure. You are one of the most interesting fink
 
  informers on this list. Thanks for all the info who ever
 you
 
  are.
 
  
 
  
 
  On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at
 
  5:55 PM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@...
 
  wrote:
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
   
 
  
 
  
 
  
 

 
  
 
  
 
  
 

 

 
I had a ritam today - I saw myself in the Mother
 
  Divine and Purusha kitchens, putting about a pound and a
 
  half of streak o'lean in their mung dhal - I saw then
 
  all eat the dhal, with basmati rice of course and then
 every
 
  one of them got enlightened, thanks to me and streak
 
  o'lean.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ritam

Ah, so you admit the Mother Divine girls are all Hindus - I knew TM was a 
religion!

On Wed, 10/16/13, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote:

 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Ritam
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Wednesday, October 16, 2013, 2:13 PM

 Good one - feed
 the vegetarian Hindus
   the pig fat - and while you're at it, send some to
 the Muslims
   too. Good work - you really made them all look really
 stupid!
   Sweet!

   On 10/16/2013 8:47 AM, Michael Jackson wrote:

 for those who may not know, streak o lean is
 fat taken
   from the back of the hog - fat back is the
 pure fat,
   streak o lean is about 90% fat with a just a
 thin streak
   of lean meat running through the middle of the
 fat. The MD
   ladies are wanting some mighty bad in their
 rice and dhal
   even if they don't know it.

   On Wed, 10/16/13, Richard Williams
   pundits...@gmail.com
 wrote:

   Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Ritam

   To: Richard J. Williams
   FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

   Date: Wednesday, October 16, 2013, 1:39 PM

   Now that's better - I was

   beginning to think I was dealing with retards
 on this

   discussion group. I'm glad to see that at
 least someone

   has some real integrity left in them. Keep up
 the good
   work

   - let's really make these TMers look
 stupid. That

   religious group up in Iowa needs to be exposed
 and stamped

   out fer sure. You are one of the most
 interesting fink

   informers on this list. Thanks for all the
 info who ever
   you

   are.

   On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at

   5:55 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com

   wrote:

   I had a ritam today - I saw myself in the
 Mother

   Divine and Purusha kitchens, putting about a
 pound and a

   half of streak o'lean in their mung dhal -
 I saw then

   all eat the dhal, with basmati rice of course
 and then
   every

   one of them got enlightened, thanks to me and
 streak

   o'lean.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ritam

Good work - today you've offended the Hindu girl's religion - next 
you'll be picking on the Hindu boys. Go figure.


So, for a Wednesday, which is supposed to be FFL nice day, you've done 
some good work here already. A very good job! I'm glad to see someone at 
least has some integrity around here.



On 10/16/2013 12:32 PM, Michael Jackson wrote:


Ah, so you admit the Mother Divine girls are all Hindus - I knew TM 
was a religion!


On Wed, 10/16/13, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote:

Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Ritam
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, October 16, 2013, 2:13 PM





























Good one - feed
the vegetarian Hindus
the pig fat - and while you're at it, send some to
the Muslims
too. Good work - you really made them all look really
stupid!
Sweet!



On 10/16/2013 8:47 AM, Michael Jackson wrote:






for those who may not know, streak o lean is
fat taken
from the back of the hog - fat back is the
pure fat,
streak o lean is about 90% fat with a just a
thin streak
of lean meat running through the middle of the
fat. The MD
ladies are wanting some mighty bad in their
rice and dhal
even if they don't know it.



On Wed, 10/16/13, Richard Williams
pundits...@gmail.com
wrote:



Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Ritam

To: Richard J. Williams
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

Date: Wednesday, October 16, 2013, 1:39 PM





















































Now that's better - I was

beginning to think I was dealing with retards
on this

discussion group. I'm glad to see that at
least someone

has some real integrity left in them. Keep up
the good
work

- let's really make these TMers look
stupid. That

religious group up in Iowa needs to be exposed
and stamped

out fer sure. You are one of the most
interesting fink

informers on this list. Thanks for all the
info who ever
you

are.





On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at

5:55 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com

wrote:





















































I had a ritam today - I saw myself in the
Mother

Divine and Purusha kitchens, putting about a
pound and a

half of streak o'lean in their mung dhal -
I saw then

all eat the dhal, with basmati rice of course
and then
every

one of them got enlightened, thanks to me and
streak

o'lean.

RE: Re: Re: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Places You Can#39;t Afford to Live

 Wonderful, Doc, I agree. Except I don't think we have to take it seriously or 
unseriously or any certain way at all. Life is flowing along however we take 
it.
 

 Hey Share, this response of yours caught my eye, again, because it is a good 
example of usurping Brahman. Life is flowing along however we take it, is an 
intellectual understanding, but it is not the experience of the seeker. So, to 
say that the intention for spiritual liberation needn't be taken seriously by 
the seeker, is basically bullshit. It had better be taken seriously by the 
seeker, or else nothing permanent happens. No big deal, if nothing happens, but 
it is simply a reflection of the seeker not being ready for a complete 
surrender, not being committed to it.

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 Wonderful, Doc, I agree. Except I don't think we have to take it seriously or 
unseriously or any certain way at all. Life is flowing along however we take it.
 

 
 
 On Wednesday, October 16, 2013 8:53 AM, doctordumbass@... 
doctordumbass@... wrote:
 
Xeno, you say that people stop short of enlightenment because it seems that 
no progress is happening. And in the paragraph above that, you say that at some 
point the words have to go. And yet it is the words, or the knowledge and 
understanding that can help a person continue when all is flat and seemingly 
non progressive. Even Maharishi's analogy of going around an iceberg, seeming 
to go backwards has helped me continue. Am I a fool? Or am I persistent? Both? 
And does it even matter?
 

 The thing Xeno is talking about, is when all ideas, concepts, recited phrases, 
etc. go dry. No more juice or encouragement from them. The seeker feels shitty 
- end of story. This phase illustrates for the seeker, the futility of living 
in the future, where we want to get enlightened, or in the past, remembering a 
flashy spiritual experience. Even though the isolation one feels is the 
strongest, yet, it prepares us for a final surrender, a shift of identity, away 
from this isolated form. Whether, or not, a seeker decides to go through with 
the whole enchilada, is an exact reflection, of the degree to which a seeker 
takes spiritual liberation seriously.

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 Xeno, you say that people stop short of enlightenment because it seems that no 
progress is happening. And in the paragraph above that, you say that at some 
point the words have to go. And yet it is the words, or the knowledge and 
understanding that can help a person continue when all is flat and seemingly 
non progressive. Even Maharishi's analogy of going around an iceberg, seeming 
to go backwards has helped me continue. Am I a fool? Or am I persistent? Both? 
And does it even matter?

 

 
 
 On Tuesday, October 15, 2013 10:06 PM, anartaxius@... anartaxius@... wrote:
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 
  Dear MJ; Yes, working people back in that day of $3.35 an hour wages got a 
great deal then. However it is true the conservative meditator I here speak for 
feels deeply that people are not paying anywhere close to enough to learn TM at 
$1,500. And, the slacker kids living at home with their parents neither too. 
The TM movement could squeeze at least another thousand out of the new people 
coming to our Peace Palaces. It is extremely important to have commitment from 
new people as they start or you end up like some of the quitters we see here.
 -Buck  
 

 I think you may be missing something Buck. I am meditating in my fifth decade. 
Even after adjusting for inflation by current U.S. Government measures, the 
price I paid for TM was less than US$500 in current value. To continue with 
meditation, you have to have some kind of deep desire beyond simply thinking 
that some mental technique is going to solve all your problems, because it does 
not work out that way.
 

 Something has to motivate beyond feeling better because some situations may 
arise where you simply do not feel well at all, and one can go through periods 
where it really does not seem to be doing anything at all. When somebody is 
taught a technique I would say there is a 10 to 20 percent chance they will 
continue. This happened in my family, and in the family of friends, and in the 
few research papers that mentioned such data. It is not that people are 
slackers. For one thing our culture does not support meditation that well in 
spite of its being more in common awareness than previously.
 

 Another factor is the illusions the mind has. It affects groups and groups 
that teach meditation inevitably become weird in some way, particularly if 
religiosity is a part of the philosophy of the group. TM has always tried to 
hide its religiosity, but it oozes through the cracks so much you can almost 
drown in it. People have very strong religious delusions and when faced with a 
religiosity that is

RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] College study finds Oreo cookies are as addictive as drugs

LOL You didn't do Halloween right if you didn't OD at least once on Kandy Korn 
as a kid.
  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 Candy corn! Yuck! Might as well fill up the syringe with high fructose corn 
syrup and inject it right into your bloodstream! Perfect dessert to accompany 
streak o lean IMHO! Make sure your will, etc. is in order first!
 

 
 
 On Wednesday, October 16, 2013 8:51 AM, doctordumbass@... 
doctordumbass@... wrote:
 
   Yes, ready-made Double-stuff is an abomination! Only the painstaking 
twisting off, of two dry wafers, from two intact Oreos, and then the blessed 
union of creme-stuff from each, making a home-grown double-stuff, is 
acceptable. It tastes pretty good, when you work for it, but just adding 
another blob of creme at the factory, no fucking way!!!

  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 That is my experience. Those things are deadly, seriously. It is impossible to 
eat one. Eating six is about the minimum at any one sitting that I can handle. 
I only like the originals though - non of that double stuff for me. The balance 
of outer wafer to inner white filling is perfection just as it is.
 
 
 On Tuesday, October 15, 2013 8:27:53 PM, anartaxius@... anartaxius@... 
wrote:
 
   
http://www.foxnews.com/health/2013/10/15/college-study-finds-oreo-cookies-are-as-addictive-as-drugs/
 
http://www.foxnews.com/health/2013/10/15/college-study-finds-oreo-cookies-are-as-addictive-as-drugs/

[FairfieldLife] RE: Re: Pricing TM to Teach [more] Meditators

Buck wrote:
  Look, in this the new millennium, the TM movement Boards 
 of Trustees and Councils are going to have to rise up and 
 actively look-out for the movement business, the Knowledge, 
 and even look out for Nader Ram as Maha administrator 
 sovereign of TM too. They may have to change their thinking. 
 Barry wrote:
 For those who thought my citation of 
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megalomania 
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megalomania was too
 strong, try to step back from all your decades of
 programming and look at the above. 

 Buck seems to believe that we're now in a new 
 millennium, clearly due to the influence of a few
 butt-bouncers in a small town in the backwaters of
 Iowa.
 

 Barry seems to believe that he can turn back the clock to
 before January 1, 2001.
 

 Or maybe he was so completely preoccupied with dumping
 on TM that he missed the turn of the millennium and thinks
 it's still the 1990s:
 

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Millennium 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Millennium

 

  He further seems to believe that the made-up

  titles and positions of Trustee or Council actually
  *mean* something.
 

 This is getting worrisome. Barry has apparently convinced
 himself that he can eliminate the TMO by simply denying that
 it exists. I mean, we all know he has a tendency to project
 his own character flaws onto others, but it's pretty weird for
 him to project his own megalomania.
 

 (snip)

  Try, just for a moment, to look at all of this without

  all the decades of TM conditioning. If you encountered
 someone on the street talking like this, wouldn't you
 consider them a candidate for megalomania?
 

 Yup. And you need to see a doctor before it gets any worse.
 
Just sayin'...

RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Ritam

Sounds de-lish - I do enjoy the *sissy boy* version of same, shrimp tempura, 
but if I asked for it from that old bastard, along with my 'accent', I wouldn't 
get very far. 
  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 Its pretty foul stuff, but you wouldn't believe how many people love their 
veggies flavored with some strek o'lean or even fried streak o'lean. I used to 
know this old bastard who would put on fish fries, and in addition to the fried 
fish, he would offer folks fat back sandwiches which consisted of frozen pieces 
of white bread, Sunbeam or Bunny bread, take the fat back and drop it in the 
hot oil used to fry the fish. Half of the fat back would dissolve cause its all 
fat, but what was left was crispy on the outside and then you take the piping 
hot piece of pure pork fried fat and slap it onto a piece of the frozen bread, 
the heat from the fried fatback would thaw the bread and the cold of the bread 
would cool the fatback enough to eat it - this feller had at least one heart 
attack I know of before he died.
 
 On Wed, 10/16/13, doctordumbass@... mailto:doctordumbass@... 
doctordumbass@... mailto:doctordumbass@... wrote:
 
 Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Ritam
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Wednesday, October 16, 2013, 2:11 PM
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Sounds like that chunk of stuff that was always in
 a can of pork and beans. I'll take crisp bacon, or
 pulled pork, or a stuffed tenderloin over that, any day! 
   
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
 fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 
 for those who may
 not know, streak o lean is fat taken from the back of the
 hog - fat back is the pure fat, streak o lean is about 90%
 fat with a just a thin streak of lean meat running through
 the middle of the fat. The MD ladies are wanting some mighty
 bad in their rice and dhal even if they don't know it.
 
 
 
 On Wed, 10/16/13, Richard Williams
 punditster@...
 wrote:
 
 
 
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Ritam
 
 To: Richard J. Williams FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 
 Date: Wednesday, October 16, 2013, 1:39 PM
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Now that's better - I was
 
 beginning to think I was dealing with retards on this
 
 discussion group. I'm glad to see that at least
 someone
 
 has some real integrity left in them. Keep up the good
 work
 
 - let's really make these TMers look stupid. That
 
 religious group up in Iowa needs to be exposed and stamped
 
 out fer sure. You are one of the most interesting fink
 
 informers on this list. Thanks for all the info who ever
 you
 
 are.
 
 
 
 
 
 On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at
 
 5:55 PM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@...
 
 wrote:
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 I had a ritam today - I saw myself in the Mother
 
 Divine and Purusha kitchens, putting about a pound and a
 
 half of streak o'lean in their mung dhal - I saw then
 
 all eat the dhal, with basmati rice of course and then
 every
 
 one of them got enlightened, thanks to me and streak
 
 o'lean.

RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pricing TM to Teach [more] Meditators

2013-10-16 Thread dhamiltony2k5

Well, we won't put Turqb up for no medal of honor citation now for running 
away, 
 but I'd be first to give him a special award for coming back to meditation 
with us.
 I'd even give him a peck on the check like those Parisians he is so fond of do 
in the movies. 
 -Buck 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 Yeah, you really told off old Buck and made him look really stupid. Good work! 
You managed to send a message on company time at work. Very impressive! Now, 
about that Rama levitation event...
 
 On 10/16/2013 10:30 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
 
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
wrote:
 
  Look, in this the new millennium, the TM movement Boards 
  of Trustees and Councils are going to have to rise up and 
  actively look-out for the movement business, the Knowledge, 
  and even look out for Nader Ram as Maha administrator 
  sovereign of TM too. They may have to change their thinking. 
 
 For those who thought my citation of 
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megalomania 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megalomania was too
 strong, try to step back from all your decades of
 programming and look at the above. 
 
 Buck seems to believe that we're now in a new 
 millennium, clearly due to the influence of a few
 butt-bouncers in a small town in the backwaters of
 Iowa. He further seems to believe that the made-up
 titles and positions of Trustee or Council actually
 *mean* something. He feels so strongly that the view
 of life and the world propounded by these made-up
 organizations is so important as to be capitalized as
 Knowledge. 
 
 He then goes on to call a guy whose real name is
 Tony Nader by another made-up name (Nader Ram)
 and suggests another made-up title and position for 
 him,  Maha administrator sovereign of TM.
 
 Try, just for a moment, to look at all of this without
 all the decades of TM conditioning. If you encountered
 someone on the street talking like this, wouldn't you
 consider them a candidate for megalomania?
 
 Just sayin'...

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pricing TM to Teach [more] Meditators

On 10/16/2013 10:30 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
 He then goes on to call a guy whose real name is
 Tony Nader by another made-up name
Sort of like you calling Freddy Lenz 'Vishnu, Lord of the World'? LoL!

RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pricing TM to Teach [more] Meditators

2013-10-16 Thread dhamiltony2k5

 Dear Turq,
 ## Son, you got to know the audience reading this. There ain't nothing 
delusional about what I write. 
 Have you looked at TM.org lately?
 You are just so damned ignorant and out of it. You are so removed from reality 
here
 your conjuring this megalomania tripe against TM just won't stick. 
 It is not even close to the mark of what is going on here.
 But, I always do like what you write even if it is counter-revolutionary.
 It evidently most always sharpens and makes people think
 and adds to the great theatre of the great battle for perception going on. 
 In revolution,
 -Buck
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 Well, we won't put Turqb up for no medal of honor citation now for running 
away, 
 but I'd be first to give him a special award for coming back to meditation 
with us.
 I'd even give him a peck on the check like those Parisians he is so fond of do 
in the movies. 
 -Buck 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 Yeah, you really told off old Buck and made him look really stupid. Good work! 
You managed to send a message on company time at work. Very impressive! Now, 
about that Rama levitation event...
 
 On 10/16/2013 10:30 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
 
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
wrote:
 
  Look, in this the new millennium, the TM movement Boards 
  of Trustees and Councils are going to have to rise up and 
  actively look-out for the movement business, the Knowledge, 
  and even look out for Nader Ram as Maha administrator 
  sovereign of TM too. They may have to change their thinking. 
 
 For those who thought my citation of 
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megalomania 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megalomania was too
 strong, try to step back from all your decades of
 programming and look at the above. 
 
 Buck seems to believe that we're now in a new 
 millennium, clearly due to the influence of a few
 butt-bouncers in a small town in the backwaters of
 Iowa. He further seems to believe that the made-up
 titles and positions of Trustee or Council actually
 *mean* something. He feels so strongly that the view
 of life and the world propounded by these made-up
 organizations is so important as to be capitalized as
 Knowledge. 
 
 He then goes on to call a guy whose real name is
 Tony Nader by another made-up name (Nader Ram)
 and suggests another made-up title and position for 
 him,  Maha administrator sovereign of TM.
 
 Try, just for a moment, to look at all of this without
 all the decades of TM conditioning. If you encountered
 someone on the street talking like this, wouldn't you
 consider them a candidate for megalomania?
 
 Just sayin'...

[FairfieldLife] RE: Re: Pricing TM to Teach [more] Meditators

My question back to you, is, what delusion are you masking, by exposing this 
one, constantly?
 

 Just sayin'...

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote:
 
 Look, in this the new millennium, the TM movement Boards 
 of Trustees and Councils are going to have to rise up and 
 actively look-out for the movement business, the Knowledge, 
 and even look out for Nader Ram as Maha administrator 
 sovereign of TM too. They may have to change their thinking. 

 For those who thought my citation of 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megalomania 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megalomania was too
strong, try to step back from all your decades of
programming and look at the above. 

Buck seems to believe that we're now in a new 
millennium, clearly due to the influence of a few
butt-bouncers in a small town in the backwaters of
Iowa. He further seems to believe that the made-up
titles and positions of Trustee or Council actually
*mean* something. He feels so strongly that the view
of life and the world propounded by these made-up
organizations is so important as to be capitalized as
Knowledge. 

He then goes on to call a guy whose real name is
Tony Nader by another made-up name (Nader Ram)
and suggests another made-up title and position for 
him,  Maha administrator sovereign of TM.

Try, just for a moment, to look at all of this without
all the decades of TM conditioning. If you encountered
someone on the street talking like this, wouldn't you
consider them a candidate for megalomania?

Just sayin'...

Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] College study finds Oreo cookies are as addictive as drugs

Never liked it enough to OD on it. 




On Wednesday, October 16, 2013 12:47 PM, doctordumb...@rocketmail.com 
doctordumb...@rocketmail.com wrote:
 
  
LOL You didn't do Halloween right if you didn't OD at least once on Kandy Korn 
as a kid.

 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:


Candy corn! Yuck! Might as well fill up the syringe with high fructose corn 
syrup and inject it right into your bloodstream! Perfect dessert to accompany 
streak o lean IMHO! Make sure your will, etc. is in order first!





On Wednesday, October 16, 2013 8:51 AM, doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@... 
wrote:
 
  
Yes, ready-made Double-stuff is an abomination! Only the painstaking twisting 
off, of two dry wafers, from two intact Oreos, and then the blessed union of 
creme-stuff from each, making a home-grown double-stuff, is acceptable. It 
tastes pretty good, when you work for it, but just adding another blob of creme 
at the factory, no fucking way!!!

 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:


That is my experience. Those things are deadly, seriously. It is impossible to 
eat one. Eating six is about the minimum at any one sitting that I can handle. 
I only like the originals though - non of that double stuff for me. The balance 
of outer wafer to inner white filling is perfection just as it is.



On Tuesday, October 15, 2013 8:27:53 PM, anartaxius@... anartaxius@... 
wrote:
 
  
http://www.foxnews.com/health/2013/10/15/college-study-finds-oreo-cookies-are-as-addictive-as-drugs/

Re: Re: Re: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Places You Can't Afford to Live

Doc, I take it seriously on the level of action, but not on the level of 
thinking about it (-:




On Wednesday, October 16, 2013 12:44 PM, doctordumb...@rocketmail.com 
doctordumb...@rocketmail.com wrote:
 
  
 Wonderful, Doc, I agree. Except I don't think we have to take it 
seriously or unseriously or any certain way at all. Life is flowing 
along however we take it.

Hey Share, this response of yours caught my eye, again, because it is a good 
example of usurping Brahman. Life is flowing along however we take it, is an 
intellectual understanding, but it is not the experience of the seeker. So, to 
say that the intention for spiritual liberation needn't be taken seriously by 
the seeker, is basically bullshit. It had better be taken seriously by the 
seeker, or else nothing permanent happens. No big deal, if nothing happens, but 
it is simply a reflection of the seeker not being ready for a complete 
surrender, not being committed to it.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:


Wonderful, Doc, I agree. Except I don't think we have to take it seriously or 
unseriously or any certain way at all. Life is flowing along however we take it.





On Wednesday, October 16, 2013 8:53 AM, doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@... 
wrote:
 
  
 Xeno, you say that people stop short of enlightenment because it seems that 
no progress is happening. And in the paragraph above that, you say that 
at some point the words have to go. And yet it is the words, or the 
knowledge and understanding that can help a person continue when all is 
flat and seemingly non progressive. Even Maharishi's analogy of going 
around an iceberg, seeming to go backwards has helped me continue. Am I a fool? 
Or am I persistent? Both? And does it even matter?

The thing Xeno is talking about, is when all ideas, concepts, recited phrases, 
etc. go dry. No more juice or encouragement from them. The seeker feels shitty 
- end of story. This phase illustrates for the seeker, the futility of living 
in the future, where we want to get enlightened, or in the past, remembering a 
flashy spiritual experience. Even though the isolation one feels is the 
strongest, yet, it prepares us for a final surrender, a shift of identity, away 
from this isolated form. Whether, or not, a seeker decides to go through with 
the whole enchilada, is an exact reflection, of the degree to which a seeker 
takes spiritual liberation seriously.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:


Xeno, you say that people stop short of enlightenment because it seems that no 
progress is happening. And in the paragraph above that, you say that at some 
point the words have to go. And yet it is the words, or the knowledge and 
understanding that can help a person continue when all is flat and seemingly 
non progressive. Even Maharishi's analogy of going around an iceberg, seeming 
to go backwards has helped me continue. Am I a fool? Or am I persistent? Both? 
And does it even matter?






On Tuesday, October 15, 2013 10:06 PM, anartaxius@... anartaxius@... wrote:
 
  
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:


 Dear MJ;  Yes, working people back
in that day of  $3.35 an hour wages got a great deal then. However
it is true the conservative meditator I here speak for feels deeply
that people are not paying anywhere close to enough to learn TM at
$1,500.  And, the slacker kids living at home with their parents
neither too.  The TM movement could squeeze at least another thousand
out of the new people coming to our Peace Palaces.  It is extremely
important to have commitment from new people as they start or you end
up like some of the quitters we see here.
-Buck  

I think you may be missing something Buck. I am meditating in my fifth decade. 
Even after adjusting for inflation by current U.S. Government measures, the 
price I paid for TM was less than US$500 in current value. To continue with 
meditation, you have to have some kind of deep desire beyond simply thinking 
that some mental technique is going to solve all your problems, because it does 
not work out that way.

Something has to motivate beyond feeling better because some situations may 
arise where you simply do not feel well at all, and one can go through periods 
where it really does not seem to be doing anything at all. When somebody is 
taught a technique I would say there is a 10 to 20 percent chance they will 
continue. This happened in my family, and in the family of friends, and in the 
few research papers that mentioned such data. It is not that people are 
slackers. For one thing our culture does not support meditation that well in 
spite of its being more in common awareness than previously.

Another factor is the illusions the mind has. It affects groups and groups that 
teach meditation inevitably become weird in some way, particularly if 
religiosity is a part of the philosophy of the group. TM has always

RE: Re: Re: Re: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Places You Can#39;t Afford to Live

Got it - yeah, too much self-auditing can drive a person crazy. Thanks for 
clearing that up.
  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 
 Doc, I take it seriously on the level of action, but not on the level of 
thinking about it (-:

 
 
 On Wednesday, October 16, 2013 12:44 PM, doctordumbass@... 
doctordumbass@... wrote:
 
Wonderful, Doc, I agree. Except I don't think we have to take it seriously 
or unseriously or any certain way at all. Life is flowing along however we take 
it.
 

 Hey Share, this response of yours caught my eye, again, because it is a good 
example of usurping Brahman. Life is flowing along however we take it, is an 
intellectual understanding, but it is not the experience of the seeker. So, to 
say that the intention for spiritual liberation needn't be taken seriously by 
the seeker, is basically bullshit. It had better be taken seriously by the 
seeker, or else nothing permanent happens. No big deal, if nothing happens, but 
it is simply a reflection of the seeker not being ready for a complete 
surrender, not being committed to it.

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 Wonderful, Doc, I agree. Except I don't think we have to take it seriously or 
unseriously or any certain way at all. Life is flowing along however we take it.
 

 
 
 On Wednesday, October 16, 2013 8:53 AM, doctordumbass@... 
doctordumbass@... wrote:
 
Xeno, you say that people stop short of enlightenment because it seems that 
no progress is happening. And in the paragraph above that, you say that at some 
point the words have to go. And yet it is the words, or the knowledge and 
understanding that can help a person continue when all is flat and seemingly 
non progressive. Even Maharishi's analogy of going around an iceberg, seeming 
to go backwards has helped me continue. Am I a fool? Or am I persistent? Both? 
And does it even matter?
 

 The thing Xeno is talking about, is when all ideas, concepts, recited phrases, 
etc. go dry. No more juice or encouragement from them. The seeker feels shitty 
- end of story. This phase illustrates for the seeker, the futility of living 
in the future, where we want to get enlightened, or in the past, remembering a 
flashy spiritual experience. Even though the isolation one feels is the 
strongest, yet, it prepares us for a final surrender, a shift of identity, away 
from this isolated form. Whether, or not, a seeker decides to go through with 
the whole enchilada, is an exact reflection, of the degree to which a seeker 
takes spiritual liberation seriously.

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 Xeno, you say that people stop short of enlightenment because it seems that no 
progress is happening. And in the paragraph above that, you say that at some 
point the words have to go. And yet it is the words, or the knowledge and 
understanding that can help a person continue when all is flat and seemingly 
non progressive. Even Maharishi's analogy of going around an iceberg, seeming 
to go backwards has helped me continue. Am I a fool? Or am I persistent? Both? 
And does it even matter?

 

 
 
 On Tuesday, October 15, 2013 10:06 PM, anartaxius@... anartaxius@... wrote:
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 
  Dear MJ; Yes, working people back in that day of $3.35 an hour wages got a 
great deal then. However it is true the conservative meditator I here speak for 
feels deeply that people are not paying anywhere close to enough to learn TM at 
$1,500. And, the slacker kids living at home with their parents neither too. 
The TM movement could squeeze at least another thousand out of the new people 
coming to our Peace Palaces. It is extremely important to have commitment from 
new people as they start or you end up like some of the quitters we see here.
 -Buck  
 

 I think you may be missing something Buck. I am meditating in my fifth decade. 
Even after adjusting for inflation by current U.S. Government measures, the 
price I paid for TM was less than US$500 in current value. To continue with 
meditation, you have to have some kind of deep desire beyond simply thinking 
that some mental technique is going to solve all your problems, because it does 
not work out that way.
 

 Something has to motivate beyond feeling better because some situations may 
arise where you simply do not feel well at all, and one can go through periods 
where it really does not seem to be doing anything at all. When somebody is 
taught a technique I would say there is a 10 to 20 percent chance they will 
continue. This happened in my family, and in the family of friends, and in the 
few research papers that mentioned such data. It is not that people are 
slackers. For one thing our culture does not support meditation that well in 
spite of its being more in common awareness than previously.
 

 Another factor is the illusions the

[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Re: Pricing TM to Teach [more] Meditators

Your incessant harping and bitching about the TM whatever, just pegs my BS 
meter - What are you distracting from? 'cuz this shit is old. really old. 
spiderwebs, and dust, and pigeon poop. What is behind that old grey mask, dude?
  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 My question back to you, is, what delusion are you masking, by exposing this 
one, constantly?
 

 Just sayin'...

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote:
 
 Look, in this the new millennium, the TM movement Boards 
 of Trustees and Councils are going to have to rise up and 
 actively look-out for the movement business, the Knowledge, 
 and even look out for Nader Ram as Maha administrator 
 sovereign of TM too. They may have to change their thinking. 

 For those who thought my citation of 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megalomania 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megalomania was too
strong, try to step back from all your decades of
programming and look at the above. 

Buck seems to believe that we're now in a new 
millennium, clearly due to the influence of a few
butt-bouncers in a small town in the backwaters of
Iowa. He further seems to believe that the made-up
titles and positions of Trustee or Council actually
*mean* something. He feels so strongly that the view
of life and the world propounded by these made-up
organizations is so important as to be capitalized as
Knowledge. 

He then goes on to call a guy whose real name is
Tony Nader by another made-up name (Nader Ram)
and suggests another made-up title and position for 
him,  Maha administrator sovereign of TM.

Try, just for a moment, to look at all of this without
all the decades of TM conditioning. If you encountered
someone on the street talking like this, wouldn't you
consider them a candidate for megalomania?

Just sayin'...

RE: Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] College study finds Oreo cookies are as addictive as drugs

All candy was the ambrosia of the gods to me, when I was ten, KK too - pure 
magic, or at least fertile grounds for discovery. And the infamous butterscotch 
pudding - after a serious binge, couldn't even look at that concoction for the 
next few decades!
  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 
 Never liked it enough to OD on it. 

 
 
 On Wednesday, October 16, 2013 12:47 PM, doctordumbass@... 
doctordumbass@... wrote:
 
   LOL You didn't do Halloween right if you didn't OD at least once on Kandy 
Korn as a kid.

  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 Candy corn! Yuck! Might as well fill up the syringe with high fructose corn 
syrup and inject it right into your bloodstream! Perfect dessert to accompany 
streak o lean IMHO! Make sure your will, etc. is in order first!
 

 
 
 On Wednesday, October 16, 2013 8:51 AM, doctordumbass@... 
doctordumbass@... wrote:
 
   Yes, ready-made Double-stuff is an abomination! Only the painstaking 
twisting off, of two dry wafers, from two intact Oreos, and then the blessed 
union of creme-stuff from each, making a home-grown double-stuff, is 
acceptable. It tastes pretty good, when you work for it, but just adding 
another blob of creme at the factory, no fucking way!!!

  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 That is my experience. Those things are deadly, seriously. It is impossible to 
eat one. Eating six is about the minimum at any one sitting that I can handle. 
I only like the originals though - non of that double stuff for me. The balance 
of outer wafer to inner white filling is perfection just as it is.
 
 
 On Tuesday, October 15, 2013 8:27:53 PM, anartaxius@... anartaxius@... 
wrote:
 
   
http://www.foxnews.com/health/2013/10/15/college-study-finds-oreo-cookies-are-as-addictive-as-drugs/
 
http://www.foxnews.com/health/2013/10/15/college-study-finds-oreo-cookies-are-as-addictive-as-drugs/

[FairfieldLife] Most Educated Countries in the World

Would you believe Russia is on top of this list?  And, the USA is only on the 
5th place.  But the US has a secret weapon by offering Genius visas to the 
best and brightest from countries around the world. 
 

 http://finance.yahoo.com/news/most-educated-countries-world-102232490.html 
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/most-educated-countries-world-102232490.html

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: College study finds Oreo cookies are as addictive as drugs

For some reason this reminds me of Breaking Bad. :-D

Not nice to fool your body though. When your body wants a sweet it
wants it for a reason and using a sugar substitute has been found not to
be a good idea. The reason westerners like to have a dessert after a
meal is the same reason that Indians like to have saunf. And also tied
in with the idea that you should wait a half hour before swimming.

TM talks about the autonomic nervous system but not very deeply. The
sympathetic system is for activity and parasympathetic for digestion and
sleep. Basically meditation is supposed to calm the sympathetic
system. Eating a sweet relaxes the digestive tact and helps calm the
sympathetic system so the parasympathetic can do it's work. And
sometimes when the stomach is busy digesting the brain gets short
changed for blood sugar and screams!

The problem is trying to be a vegetarian when your body needs you to be
a meat and potatoes person. As usual mass nutrition is not a good
policy to follow and it is as dumb as rocks.

http://www.naturalnews.com/029665_metabolic_type_diet.html

On 10/16/2013 09:12 AM, Share Long wrote:
My current indulgence is almond butter with some drops of stevia.
Yummy but seems to be kind of a sleeping potion!

On Wednesday, October 16, 2013 10:31 AM,
j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com wrote:
“Our research supports the theory that high-fat/ high-sugar foods
stimulate the brain in the same way that drugs do,” Neuroscience
Professor Joseph Schroeder said in a school press release.

For me, the problem isn't the sugar or the fat, but rather the starch,
which is ultimately just pure glucose. Back in 2003, when I was
gorging myself to 190+ pounds, my favorite snack binge was an entire
box of Newman-Os, Paul Newman's organic version of Oreos, which I
would inhale in a matter of minutes. I'd then sleep off the blood
sugar crash and have a few dried dates when I woke up. It was an
endless blood sugar roller coaster. But, I can eat a pint of ice cream
and be completely satisfied and suffer no blood sugar issues. To crash
my blood sugar on ice cream, I have to eat a quart or more, and ice
cream just doesn't have that binge driving effect on me that starchy
snack foods do.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com
wrote:

http://www.foxnews.com/health/2013/10/15/college-study-finds-oreo-cookies-are-as-addictive-as-drugs/

Re: Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] College study finds Oreo cookies are as addictive as drugs

Ooo, now I'm remembering all the candy I did like: Tootsie Rolls and Mary Janes
and Baby Ruths. Plus some whose name I can't remember. And I was the original
Cookie Monster. Plus my Mom baked great cakes. It's a wonder I have any teeth
left!

On Wednesday, October 16, 2013 1:41 PM, doctordumb...@rocketmail.com
doctordumb...@rocketmail.com wrote:

All candy was the ambrosia of the gods to me, when I was ten, KK too - pure
magic, or at least fertile grounds for discovery. And the infamous butterscotch
pudding - after a serious binge, couldn't even look at that concoction for the
next few decades!

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

Never liked it enough to OD on it.

On Wednesday, October 16, 2013 12:47 PM, doctordumbass@...
doctordumbass@... wrote:

LOL You didn't do Halloween right if you didn't OD at least once on Kandy Korn
as a kid.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

On Wednesday, October 16, 2013 8:51 AM, doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@...
wrote:

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

On Tuesday, October 15, 2013 8:27:53 PM, anartaxius@... anartaxius@...
wrote:

http://www.foxnews.com/health/2013/10/15/college-study-finds-oreo-cookies-are-as-addictive-as-drugs/

RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: College study finds Oreo cookies are as addictive as drugs

2013-10-16 Thread sharelong60

Breaking Bad?! How come? Anyway, I wish there were an online test I could take
to find out my metabolic type.
In Chinese system I'm lesser yang. Should be eating pork and shrimp! According
to nutritional intuitive, I should be eating buffalo burgers! Right now I do
well on a low glycemic diet: no pasta or rice or bread plus no dairy.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

For some reason this reminds me of Breaking Bad. :-D

Not nice to fool your body though. When your body wants a sweet it wants it
for a reason and using a sugar substitute has been found not to be a good idea.
The reason westerners like to have a dessert after a meal is the same reason
that Indians like to have saunf. And also tied in with the idea that you
should wait a half hour before swimming.

TM talks about the autonomic nervous system but not very deeply. The
sympathetic system is for activity and parasympathetic for digestion and sleep.
Basically meditation is supposed to calm the sympathetic system. Eating a
sweet relaxes the digestive tact and helps calm the sympathetic system so the
parasympathetic can do it's work. And sometimes when the stomach is busy
digesting the brain gets short changed for blood sugar and screams!

The problem is trying to be a vegetarian when your body needs you to be a meat
and potatoes person. As usual mass nutrition is not a good policy to follow
and it is as dumb as rocks.

I use several metabolic concepts along with ayurveda such as Chinese yin and
yang (simpler than ayurveda) and metabolic typing. Here's a good overview
about metabolic typing. And BTW, it's not the brainchild of Bill Wolcott who
took over the program from Dr. Kelley.
http://www.naturalnews.com/029665_metabolic_type_diet.html
http://www.naturalnews.com/029665_metabolic_type_diet.html

On 10/16/2013 09:12 AM, Share Long wrote:

My current indulgence is almond butter with some drops of stevia. Yummy but
seems to be kind of a sleeping potion!

On Wednesday, October 16, 2013 10:31 AM, j_alexander_stanley@...
mailto:j_alexander_stanley@... j_alexander_stanley@...
mailto:j_alexander_stanley@... wrote:

“Our research supports the theory that high-fat/ high-sugar foods stimulate
the brain in the same way that drugs do,” Neuroscience Professor Joseph
Schroeder said in a school press release.

For me, the problem isn't the sugar or the fat, but rather the starch, which
is ultimately just pure glucose. Back in 2003, when I was gorging myself to
190+ pounds, my favorite snack binge was an entire box of Newman-Os, Paul
Newman's organic version of Oreos, which I would inhale in a matter of minutes.
I'd then sleep off the blood sugar crash and have a few dried dates when I woke
up. It was an endless blood sugar roller coaster. But, I can eat a pint of ice
cream and be completely satisfied and suffer no blood sugar issues. To crash my
blood sugar on ice cream, I have to eat a quart or more, and ice cream just
doesn't have that binge driving effect on me that starchy snack foods do.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

http://www.foxnews.com/health/2013/10/15/college-study-finds-oreo-cookies-are-as-addictive-as-drugs/

[FairfieldLife] RE: Most Educated Countries in the World

2013-10-16 Thread cardemaister

I'm afraid without Abraham's descendants US might be way worse off, or stuff.
 

 In scientific documentaries from the US of A, usually at least a half of the 
experts interviewed appear to have Jewish family names?? 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 Would you believe Russia is on top of this list?  And, the USA is only on the 
5th place.  But the US has a secret weapon by offering Genius visas to the 
best and brightest from countries around the world. 

 http://finance.yahoo.com/news/most-educated-countries-world-102232490.html 
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/most-educated-countries-world-102232490.html

[FairfieldLife] RE: Most Educated Countries in the World

 Carde,
 

 According to Wikipedia, the Jewish population is only about 2 percent of the 
entire US population.  But they do appear to have many successful people in 
this country, including Einstein and Barbara Streisand.  IMO, it shows that the 
Jewish families encourage their children to be successful in whatever field 
they choose to work in.
 

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Jews 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Jews

 

 Thus, there is a strong argument for having a cohesive family unit in order to 
have a stable population in any country.  If the family unit is in disarray, 
guess what would happen to the entire country?
 

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister@... wrote:

 I'm afraid without Abraham's descendants US might be way worse off, or stuff.
 

 In scientific documentaries from the US of A, usually at least a half of the 
experts interviewed appear to have Jewish family names?? 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 Would you believe Russia is on top of this list?  And, the USA is only on the 
5th place.  But the US has a secret weapon by offering Genius visas to the 
best and brightest from countries around the world. 

 http://finance.yahoo.com/news/most-educated-countries-world-102232490.html 
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/most-educated-countries-world-102232490.html

[FairfieldLife] Think of the children

We’ve long been told our genes are our destiny. But it’s now thought they can 
be changed by habit, lifestyle, even finances. What does this mean for our 
children? Your bad habits – smoking, overeating – can be passed onto your 
offspring, and even further down the hereditary line. Or, put another way: your 
grandfather was making lifestyle decisions that affect you today. 
http://tinyurl.com/qhso6vx http://tinyurl.com/qhso6vx

 

 
 The Lord is long suffering . . . visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the 
children, unto the third and fourth generation. Numbers 14:18

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: College study finds Oreo cookies are as addictive as drugs

Many boomers are parasympathetic dominant, so are more naturally meat
and potatoes types. There are a few sites with questionnaires for types
including the caloriecount.com one at the bottom of the article. The
full programs look at blood tests and lots of questions. I did it in
1981 and came up a parasympathetic type and a sympathetic sub type. But
in actuality I am more a mixed type. Any amount of time trying to
rebalance can throw me the other way. Mixed types as they are in
ayurveda too, are difficult to balance. The parasympathetic types are
usually fast oxidizers or protein types and the sympathetic types slow
oxidizers or carbohydrate types. Bill Wolcott is also a former TM
teacher and someone I knew through TM. The questionnaire:

http://caloriecount.about.com/forums/weight-loss/metabolic-types-eating

But wait, there's more. Next time Dr. George Watson's spin on the thing
that Wolcott incorporated.

On 10/16/2013 12:13 PM, sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote:

Breaking Bad?! How come? Anyway, I wish there were an online test I
could take to find out my metabolic type.

In Chinese system I'm lesser yang. Should be eating pork and shrimp!
According to nutritional intuitive, I should be eating buffalo
burgers! Right now I do well on a low glycemic diet: no pasta or rice
or bread plus no dairy.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com
wrote:

For some reason this reminds me of Breaking Bad. :-D

Not nice to fool your body though. When your body wants a sweet it
wants it for a reason and using a sugar substitute has been found not
to be a good idea. The reason westerners like to have a dessert after
a meal is the same reason that Indians like to have saunf. And also
tied in with the idea that you should wait a half hour before swimming.

TM talks about the autonomic nervous system but not very deeply. The
sympathetic system is for activity and parasympathetic for digestion
and sleep. Basically meditation is supposed to calm the sympathetic
system. Eating a sweet relaxes the digestive tact and helps calm the
sympathetic system so the parasympathetic can do it's work. And
sometimes when the stomach is busy digesting the brain gets short
changed for blood sugar and screams!

The problem is trying to be a vegetarian when your body needs you to
be a meat and potatoes person. As usual mass nutrition is not a
good policy to follow and it is as dumb as rocks.

http://www.naturalnews.com/029665_metabolic_type_diet.html

On 10/16/2013 09:12 AM, Share Long wrote:

My current indulgence is almond butter with some drops of stevia.
Yummy but seems to be kind of a sleeping potion!

On Wednesday, October 16, 2013 10:31 AM, j_alexander_stanley@...
mailto:j_alexander_stanley@... j_alexander_stanley@...
mailto:j_alexander_stanley@... wrote:
“Our research supports the theory that high-fat/ high-sugar foods
stimulate the brain in the same way that drugs do,” Neuroscience
Professor Joseph Schroeder said in a school press release.

For me, the problem isn't the sugar or the fat, but rather the
starch, which is ultimately just pure glucose. Back in 2003, when I
was gorging myself to 190+ pounds, my favorite snack binge was an
entire box of Newman-Os, Paul Newman's organic version of Oreos,
which I would inhale in a matter of minutes. I'd then sleep off the
blood sugar crash and have a few dried dates when I woke up. It was
an endless blood sugar roller coaster. But, I can eat a pint of ice
cream and be completely satisfied and suffer no blood sugar issues.
To crash my blood sugar on ice cream, I have to eat a quart or more,
and ice cream just doesn't have that binge driving effect on me that
starchy snack foods do.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com
mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

http://www.foxnews.com/health/2013/10/15/college-study-finds-oreo-cookies-are-as-addictive-as-drugs/

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pricing TM to Teach [more] Meditators

The point is that TM is rather a has been.  Back in the 1970s it was 
novel because westerners didn't know much about yoga and meditation.  
Since then there has been a explosion in that knowledge and a shake 
out as to what is relevant and what isn't.


Take a look around and you'll mainly find organizations teaching 
meditation over the weekend in a few short sessions prices ranging from 
free to $120 (very typical) to $400 (more extras).  Not all of them are 
even saying people must practice meditation every day either.  
Actually once you get CC then then consciousness will keep developing 
without meditation though the latter might speed things up a bit.


On 10/16/2013 11:04 AM, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote:


*Dear Turq,*

*## Son, you got to know the audience reading this. There ain't 
nothing delusional about what I write. *


*Have you looked at TM.org lately?*

*You are just so damned ignorant and out of it. You are so removed 
from reality here*


*your conjuring this megalomania tripe against TM just won't stick. *

*It is not even close to the mark of what is going on here.*

*But, I always do like what you write even if it is 
counter-revolutionary.*


*It evidently most always sharpens and makes people think*

*and adds to the great theatre of the great battle for perception 
going on. *


*In revolution,*

*-Buck*



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com 
wrote:


*Well, we won't put Turqb up for no medal of honor citation now for 
running away, *


*but I'd be first to give him a special award for coming back to 
meditation with us.*


*I'd even give him a peck on the check like those Parisians he is so 
fond of do in the movies. *


*-Buck*



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com 
wrote:


Yeah, you really told off old Buck and made him look really stupid. 
Good work! You managed to send a message on company time at work. Very 
impressive! Now, about that Rama levitation event...


On 10/16/2013 10:30 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote:


 Look, in this the new millennium, the TM movement Boards
 of Trustees and Councils are going to have to rise up and
 actively look-out for the movement business, the Knowledge,
 and even look out for Nader Ram as Maha administrator
 sovereign of TM too. They may have to change their thinking.

For those who thought my citation of
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megalomania was too
strong, try to step back from all your decades of
programming and look at the above.

Buck seems to believe that we're now in a new
millennium, clearly due to the influence of a few
butt-bouncers in a small town in the backwaters of
Iowa. He further seems to believe that the made-up
titles and positions of Trustee or Council actually
*mean* something. He feels so strongly that the view
of life and the world propounded by these made-up
organizations is so important as to be capitalized as
Knowledge.

He then goes on to call a guy whose real name is
Tony Nader by another made-up name (Nader Ram)
and suggests another made-up title and position for
him,  Maha administrator sovereign of TM.

Try, just for a moment, to look at all of this without
all the decades of TM conditioning. If you encountered
someone on the street talking like this, wouldn't you
consider them a candidate for megalomania?

Just sayin'...

[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Most Educated Countries in the World

Re Thus, there is a strong argument for having a cohesive family unit in order 
to have a stable population in any country.: 
 That makes good sense . . . but would you *completely* rule out a genetic 
component in this case? It's such a controversial minefield, and - rather like 
global warming - you need to invest so much effort into studying the relevant 
data that I can't be bothered. I'd keep an open mind though.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

  Carde,
 

 According to Wikipedia, the Jewish population is only about 2 percent of the 
entire US population.  But they do appear to have many successful people in 
this country, including Einstein and Barbara Streisand.  IMO, it shows that the 
Jewish families encourage their children to be successful in whatever field 
they choose to work in.
 

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Jews 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Jews

 

 Thus, there is a strong argument for having a cohesive family unit in order to 
have a stable population in any country.  If the family unit is in disarray, 
guess what would happen to the entire country?
 

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister@... wrote:

 I'm afraid without Abraham's descendants US might be way worse off, or stuff.
 

 In scientific documentaries from the US of A, usually at least a half of the 
experts interviewed appear to have Jewish family names?? 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 Would you believe Russia is on top of this list?  And, the USA is only on the 
5th place.  But the US has a secret weapon by offering Genius visas to the 
best and brightest from countries around the world. 

 http://finance.yahoo.com/news/most-educated-countries-world-102232490.html 
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/most-educated-countries-world-102232490.html

[FairfieldLife] quot;Embracing the Voidquot;

Embracing the void
The ancients had gods and pyramids to tame the sky's mystery. We have Star
Axis, a masterpiece forty years in the making
By Ross Andersen

Another terrific essay from Aeon magazine, about a massive work of land art,
a naked-eye observatory called Star Axisa ‘perceptual instrument’...meant
to offer an ‘intimate experience’ of how ‘the Earth’s environment extends into
the space of the stars’.

The descriptions of the author's visit to the site are wonderful, but he also
takes some absorbing excursions into the history of astronomy and the
psychology of our fascination with the night sky. For example:

‘One may try to look at the sky,’ the scholar of ancient philosophy Thomas
McEvilley once wrote, ‘but in fact one looks through it ... for no matter how
deeply one sees into the sky, there is always an infinite depth remaining.’
When we peer into the sky’s abyssal recesses, its blank blues and deep starlit
voids, we catch a glimpse of infinity, and, as McEvilley says, ‘the finite mind
has difficulty processing infinity.’ The psychology of this phenomenon was
described best by Pascal, the 17th-century mathematician who said the starry
sky made him think of time’s crushing enormity. It made him see that human life
is a microsecond, beset by two eternities, past and future. ‘The eternal
silence of these infinite spaces frightens me,’ he said. And who can blame him?
To look at the sky is to be reminded that oceans of space and time lie beyond
the reach of our minds. Who can help but feel small under it? By showing us the
true scope of the unknown, the sky forces us to confront the mysterious nature
of human experience. It puts us face to face with the most basic of truths —
that we are all, in some sense, existentially adrift.

http://www.aeonmagazine.com/nature-and-cosmos/star-axis-is-a-profound-meditation-on-the-sky

The site on Google Maps:

http://goo.gl/maps/NYCBQ http://goo.gl/maps/NYCBQ

RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pricing TM to Teach [more] Meditators

2013-10-16 Thread dhamiltony2k5

 Well actually Bhairitu, you are adept and do know full lot about it 
[Spirituality] by virtue of a lifetime. But most people in busy lives still do 
not know much about it and still are much more new to it even as it is their 
birthright. After a long period of stagnation TM is come back to initiating and 
moving forward. Re-grouping, re-fitted, re-organized, honing. As in battle, the 
equipment and tactic what has not been working gets quickly thrown aside and 
left behind as the dross of battling along. The progressive side of the TM 
movement is now much more concentrated and on the move again. I wish them well 
and that they have great success bringing people in to meditation and on to the 
spiritual path in the great battle for perception. With a full crew aboard 
coming in on A WING AND A PRAYER, Shouting Praise the Unified Field, we're on a 
mighty mission
 All aboard, we ain't a-goin' fishin'
Praise the Unified Field and pass the ammunition
And we'll all stay free, 
 Jai Brahmananda Saraswati,
 -Buck in the Dome  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 The point is that TM is rather a has been.  Back in the 1970s it was novel 
because westerners didn't know much about yoga and meditation.  Since then 
there has been a explosion in that knowledge and a shake out as to what is 
relevant and what isn't.
  
 Take a look around and you'll mainly find organizations teaching meditation 
over the weekend in a few short sessions prices ranging from free to $120 (very 
typical) to $400 (more extras).  Not all of them are even saying people must 
practice meditation every day either.  Actually once you get CC then then 
consciousness will keep developing without meditation though the latter might 
speed things up a bit.
 
 On 10/16/2013 11:04 AM, dhamiltony2k5@... mailto:dhamiltony2k5@... wrote:
 
Dear Turq,
 ## Son, you got to know the audience reading this. There ain't nothing 
delusional about what I write. 
 Have you looked at TM.org lately?
 You are just so damned ignorant and out of it. You are so removed from reality 
here
 your conjuring this megalomania tripe against TM just won't stick. 
 It is not even close to the mark of what is going on here.
 But, I always do like what you write even if it is counter-revolutionary.
 It evidently most always sharpens and makes people think
 and adds to the great theatre of the great battle for perception going on. 
 In revolution,
 -Buck
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 
 Well, we won't put Turqb up for no medal of honor citation now for running 
away, 
 but I'd be first to give him a special award for coming back to meditation 
with us.
 I'd even give him a peck on the check like those Parisians he is so fond of do 
in the movies. 
 -Buck 
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 
 Yeah, you really told off old Buck and made him look really stupid. Good work! 
You managed to send a message on company time at work. Very impressive! Now, 
about that Rama levitation event...
 
 On 10/16/2013 10:30 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
 
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
wrote:
 
  Look, in this the new millennium, the TM movement Boards 
  of Trustees and Councils are going to have to rise up and 
  actively look-out for the movement business, the Knowledge, 
  and even look out for Nader Ram as Maha administrator 
  sovereign of TM too. They may have to change their thinking. 
 
 For those who thought my citation of 
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megalomania 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megalomania was too
 strong, try to step back from all your decades of
 programming and look at the above. 
 
 Buck seems to believe that we're now in a new 
 millennium, clearly due to the influence of a few
 butt-bouncers in a small town in the backwaters of
 Iowa. He further seems to believe that the made-up
 titles and positions of Trustee or Council actually
 *mean* something. He feels so strongly that the view
 of life and the world propounded by these made-up
 organizations is so important as to be capitalized as
 Knowledge. 
 
 He then goes on to call a guy whose real name is
 Tony Nader by another made-up name (Nader Ram)
 and suggests another made-up title and position for 
 him,  Maha administrator sovereign of TM.
 
 Try, just for a moment, to look at all of this without
 all the decades of TM conditioning. If you encountered
 someone on the street talking like this, wouldn't you
 consider them a candidate for megalomania?
 
 Just sayin'...

Re: [FairfieldLife] Think of the children

seems hard to believe - my grandpap drank copious amounts of moonshine and 
hated black folks as did my pappy, but those decisions have not made their way 
into my energy field.

On Wed, 10/16/13, s3raph...@yahoo.com s3raph...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Think of the children
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Wednesday, October 16, 2013, 9:16 PM

   We’ve long
 been told our genes are our destiny. But it’s now thought
 they can be changed by habit, lifestyle, even finances. What
 does this mean for our children? Your bad habits –
 smoking, overeating – can be passed onto your offspring,
 and even further down the hereditary line. Or, put another
 way: your grandfather was making lifestyle decisions that
 affect you today.http://tinyurl.com/qhso6vx

 The Lord is long suffering . . .
 visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, unto
 the third and fourth generation. Numbers
 14:18

[FairfieldLife] Perseus and Andromeda

2013-10-16 Thread yifuxero

by Giorgio Vasari 
 http://www.museumsyndicate.com/item.php?item=15985 
http://www.museumsyndicate.com/item.php?item=15985

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: College study finds Oreo cookies are as addictive as drugs

Thanks, bhairitu, good test. I scored 22 for fast, 19 for balanced and 3 for
slow. Sounds like I'm on the right track with avoiding high glycemic foods.
Fascinating too about the different kinds of protein. Never knew that before.

On Wednesday, October 16, 2013 4:23 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

Many boomers are parasympathetic dominant, so are more naturally meat and
potatoes types. There are a few sites with questionnaires for types including
the caloriecount.com one at the bottom of the article. The full programs look
at blood tests and lots of questions. I did it in 1981 and came up a
parasympathetic type and a sympathetic sub type. But in actuality I am more a
mixed type. Any amount of time trying to rebalance can throw me the other way.
Mixed types as they are in ayurveda too, are difficult to balance. The
parasympathetic types are usually fast oxidizers or protein types and the
sympathetic types slow oxidizers or carbohydrate types. Bill Wolcott is also a
former TM teacher and someone I knew through TM. The questionnaire:
http://caloriecount.about.com/forums/weight-loss/metabolic-types-eating

But wait, there's more. Next time Dr. George Watson's spin on
the thing that Wolcott incorporated.

On 10/16/2013 12:13 PM, sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote:

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

For some reason this reminds me of Breaking Bad. :-D

Not nice to fool your body though. When your body
wants a sweet it wants it for a reason and using a
sugar substitute has been found not to be a good
idea. The reason westerners like to have a dessert
after a meal is the same reason that Indians like to
have saunf. And also tied in with the idea that you
should wait a half hour before swimming.

TM talks about the autonomic nervous system but not
very deeply. The sympathetic system is for activity
and parasympathetic for digestion and sleep.
Basically meditation is supposed to calm the
sympathetic system. Eating a sweet relaxes the
digestive tact and helps calm the sympathetic system
so the parasympathetic can do it's work. And
sometimes when the stomach is busy digesting the brain
gets short changed for blood sugar and screams!

The problem is trying to be a vegetarian when your
body needs you to be a meat and potatoes person. As
usual mass nutrition is not a good policy to follow
and it is as dumb as rocks.

I use several metabolic concepts along with ayurveda
such as Chinese yin and yang (simpler than ayurveda)
and metabolic typing. Here's a good overview about
metabolic typing. And BTW, it's not the brainchild of
Bill Wolcott who took over the program from Dr.
Kelley.
http://www.naturalnews.com/029665_metabolic_type_diet.html

On 10/16/2013 09:12 AM, Share Long wrote:

My current indulgence is almond butter with some drops of stevia. Yummy but
seems to be kind of a sleeping potion!

On Wednesday, October 16, 2013 10:31 AM, j_alexander_stanley@...
j_alexander_stanley@... wrote:

“Our research supports the theory that high-fat/ high-sugar foods stimulate
the brain in the same way that drugs do,” Neuroscience Professor Joseph
Schroeder said in a school press release.

For me, the problem isn't the sugar or the fat, but rather the starch, which
is ultimately just pure glucose. Back in 2003, when I was gorging myself to
190+ pounds, my favorite snack binge was an entire box of Newman-Os, Paul
Newman's organic version of Oreos, which I would inhale in a matter of
minutes. I'd then sleep off the blood sugar crash and have a few dried dates
when I woke up. It was an endless blood sugar roller coaster. But, I can eat
a pint of ice cream and be completely satisfied and suffer no blood sugar
issues. To crash my blood sugar on ice cream, I have to eat a quart or more,
and ice cream just doesn't have that binge driving effect on me that starchy
snack foods do.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

http://www.foxnews.com/health/2013/10/15/college-study-finds-oreo-cookies-are-as-addictive-as-drugs/

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Embracing the Void

So lovely...and how I wish that salyavin is lurking and will stumble onto this!

On Wednesday, October 16, 2013 6:41 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com
authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:

Embracing the void
The ancients had gods and pyramids to tame the sky's mystery. We have Star
Axis, a masterpiece forty years in the making
By Ross Andersen

Another terrific essay from Aeon magazine, about a massive work of land art, a
naked-eye observatory called Star Axisa ‘perceptual instrument’...meant to
offer an ‘intimate experience’ of how ‘the Earth’s environment extends into the
space of the stars’.

‘One may try to look at the sky,’ the scholar of ancient philosophy Thomas
McEvilley once wrote, ‘but in fact one looks through it ... for no matter how
deeply one sees into the sky, there is always an infinite depth remaining.’
When we peer into the sky’s abyssal recesses, its blank blues and deep starlit
voids, we catch a glimpse of infinity, and, as McEvilley says, ‘the finite mind
has difficulty processing infinity.’ The psychology of this phenomenon was
described best by Pascal, the 17th-century mathematician who said the starry
sky made him think of time’s crushing enormity. It made him see that human life
is a microsecond, beset by two eternities, past and future. ‘The eternal
silence of these infinite spaces frightens me,’ he said. And who can blame him?
To look at the sky is to be reminded that oceans of space and time lie beyond
the reach of our minds. Who can help but feel small under it? By showing us the
true scope of
the unknown, the sky forces us to confront the mysterious nature of human
experience. It puts us face to face with the most basic of truths — that we are
all, in some sense, existentially adrift.

http://www.aeonmagazine.com/nature-and-cosmos/star-axis-is-a-profound-meditation-on-the-sky

The site on Google Maps:

http://goo.gl/maps/NYCBQ

[FairfieldLife] BIG WHEW

Senate Passes Measure to End Fiscal Impasse
 

 WASHINGTON — Congressional Republicans conceded defeat Wednesday in their 
bitter budget fight with President Obama over the new health care law, agreeing 
to end a disruptive 16-day government shutdown and extend federal borrowing 
power to avert a financial default with potential worldwide economic 
repercussions.
 

 With Treasury warning it could run out of money to pay U.S. obligations within 
a day, the Senate voted overwhelmingly Wednesday evening 81-18 to approve an a 
proposal hammered out by the Senate’s Republican and Democratic leaders after 
the House on Tuesday was unable to move forward with any resolution. The House 
was expected to within hours follow suit and approve the Senate plan that would 
fund the government through Jan. 15 and raise the debt limit through Feb. 7.
 

 The result of the fight that threatened the nation’s credit rating was a near 
total defeat for the Republican conservatives who had engineered the budget 
impasse as a way to strip the new health care law of funding even as 
registration for benefits opened Oct. 1 or, failing that, to win delays in 
putting the program into place. The shutdown sent Republican poll ratings 
plunging, cost the government billions of dollars and damaged the nation’s 
international credibility.
 

 Under the agreement, the government would be funded through Jan. 15, and the 
debt ceiling would be raised until Feb. 7. The Senate will take up a separate 
motion to instruct House and Senate negotiators to reach accord by Dec. 13 on a 
long-term blueprint for tax and spending policies over the next decade.
 

 
http://www.nytimes.com/news/fiscal-crisis/2013/10/16/senate-passes-measure-to-end-fiscal-impasse
 
http://www.nytimes.com/news/fiscal-crisis/2013/10/16/senate-passes-measure-to-end-fiscal-impasse

RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] quot;Embracing the Voidquot;

I thought of him too as I was reading the essay.

Share wrote:

So lovely...and how I wish that salyavin is lurking and will stumble onto this!

On Wednesday, October 16, 2013 6:41 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@...
wrote:

Embracing the void
The ancients had gods and pyramids to tame the sky's mystery. We have Star
Axis, a masterpiece forty years in the making
By Ross Andersen

http://www.aeonmagazine.com/nature-and-cosmos/star-axis-is-a-profound-meditation-on-the-sky

The site on Google Maps:

http://goo.gl/maps/NYCBQ http://goo.gl/maps/NYCBQ

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pricing TM to Teach [more] Meditators

I don't think it is all that difficult to make a teaching simple 
including explaining it to people.  TM spoke in lofty terms.  For most 
people just talk about relaxation from a busy life through meditation.  
No need to speak about moksha, enlightenment at all.  Just teach a 
simple technique. Three are groups who teach that way.  And for folks 
interested in more of an Indian yoga approach there are indeed groups 
who cater to that.  No one shoe fits all.


On 10/16/2013 04:45 PM, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote:


*Well actually Bhairitu, you are adept and do know full lot about it 
[Spirituality] by virtue of a lifetime. But most people in busy lives 
still do not know much about it and still are much more new to it even 
as it is their birthright. After a long period of stagnation TM is 
come back to initiating and moving forward. Re-grouping, re-fitted, 
re-organized, honing. As in battle, the equipment and tactic what has 
not been working gets quickly thrown aside and left behind as the 
dross of battling along. The progressive side of the TM movement is 
now much more concentrated and on the move again. I wish them well and 
that they have great success bringing people in to meditation and on 
to the spiritual path in the great battle for perception. With a full 
crew aboard coming in on A WING AND A PRAYER, Shouting Praise the 
Unified Field, we're on a mighty mission*


*All aboard, we ain't a-goin' fishin'
Praise the Unified Field and pass the ammunition
And we'll all stay free, *

*Jai Brahmananda Saraswati,*

*-Buck in the Dome *



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com 
wrote:


The point is that TM is rather a has been.  Back in the 1970s it was 
novel because westerners didn't know much about yoga and meditation.  
Since then there has been a explosion in that knowledge and a shake 
out as to what is relevant and what isn't.


Take a look around and you'll mainly find organizations teaching 
meditation over the weekend in a few short sessions prices ranging 
from free to $120 (very typical) to $400 (more extras).  Not all of 
them are even saying people must practice meditation every day 
either.  Actually once you get CC then then consciousness will keep 
developing without meditation though the latter might speed things up 
a bit.


On 10/16/2013 11:04 AM, dhamiltony2k5@...
mailto:dhamiltony2k5@... wrote:


*Dear Turq,*

*## Son, you got to know the audience reading this. There ain't 
nothing delusional about what I write. *


*Have you looked at TM.org lately?*

*You are just so damned ignorant and out of it. You are so removed 
from reality here*


*your conjuring this megalomania tripe against TM just won't stick. *

*It is not even close to the mark of what is going on here.*

*But, I always do like what you write even if it is 
counter-revolutionary.*


*It evidently most always sharpens and makes people think*

*and adds to the great theatre of the great battle for perception 
going on. *


*In revolution,*

*-Buck*



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com 
mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:


*Well, we won't put Turqb up for no medal of honor citation now for 
running away, *


*but I'd be first to give him a special award for coming back to 
meditation with us.*


*I'd even give him a peck on the check like those Parisians he is so 
fond of do in the movies. *


*-Buck*



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com 
mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:


Yeah, you really told off old Buck and made him look really stupid. 
Good work! You managed to send a message on company time at work. 
Very impressive! Now, about that Rama levitation event...


On 10/16/2013 10:30 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote:


 Look, in this the new millennium, the TM movement Boards
 of Trustees and Councils are going to have to rise up and
 actively look-out for the movement business, the Knowledge,
 and even look out for Nader Ram as Maha administrator
 sovereign of TM too. They may have to change their thinking.

For those who thought my citation of
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megalomania was too
strong, try to step back from all your decades of
programming and look at the above.

Buck seems to believe that we're now in a new
millennium, clearly due to the influence of a few
butt-bouncers in a small town in the backwaters of
Iowa. He further seems to believe that the made-up
titles and positions of Trustee or Council actually
*mean* something. He feels so strongly that the view
of life and the world propounded by these made-up
organizations is so important as to be capitalized as
Knowledge.

He then goes on to call a guy whose real name is
Tony Nader by another made-up name (Nader Ram)
and suggests another made-up title and position for
him,

[FairfieldLife] RE: Think of the children

Re Seems hard to believe - my grandpap drank copious amounts of moonshine and 
hated black folks as did my pappy, but those decisions have not made their way 
into my energy field.:
 Not hard to believe at all. I have very different attitude to blacks than did 
my grandparents because they knew next-to-nothing about blacks never having met 
one! I - and no doubt you - have worked alongside blacks - and other races - 
and know that some can be complete arseholes, some can be regular folks and 
some can be generous, warm-hearted and attractive. Our knowledge has expanded 
and that has had a corresponding effect on our outlooks. Genetics isn't 
fatalistic destiny - unless we're talking ginger hair and skin tone - but it 
can modify our tendencies. The interesting thing about the article I linked to 
is that it suggests your behaviour can tweak your descendents' characteristics.
 

 Never tried moonshine; is it any good?
 

 

 

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote:

 seems hard to believe - my grandpap drank copious amounts of moonshine and 
hated black folks as did my pappy, but those decisions have not made their way 
into my energy field.
 
 On Wed, 10/16/13, s3raphita@... mailto:s3raphita@... s3raphita@... 
mailto:s3raphita@... wrote:
 
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Think of the children
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Wednesday, October 16, 2013, 9:16 PM
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 We’ve long
 been told our genes are our destiny. But it’s now thought
 they can be changed by habit, lifestyle, even finances. What
 does this mean for our children? Your bad habits –
 smoking, overeating – can be passed onto your offspring,
 and even further down the hereditary line. Or, put another
 way: your grandfather was making lifestyle decisions that
 affect you today.http://tinyurl.com/qhso6vx http://tinyurl.com/qhso6vx
 
 The Lord is long suffering . . .
 visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, unto
 the third and fourth generation. Numbers
 14:18

Re: [FairfieldLife] BIG WHEW

And the US economy will be in a malaise until next January when they 
play this game again with the wounded economy festering more.  Best 
thing would have let it crash in 2008.  But the banksters weren't ready 
to screw us enough yet and needed more time to get their evil plans in 
order.


Capitalism simply does not work in a global population of this size.

On 10/16/2013 05:22 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:


Senate Passes Measure to End Fiscal Impasse


WASHINGTON — Congressional Republicans conceded defeat Wednesday in 
their bitter budget fight with President Obama over the new health 
care law, agreeing to end a disruptive 16-day government shutdown and 
extend federal borrowing power to avert a financial default with 
potential worldwide economic repercussions.



With Treasury warning it could run out of money to pay U.S. 
obligations within a day, the Senate voted overwhelmingly Wednesday 
evening 81-18 to approve an a proposal hammered out by the Senate’s 
Republican and Democratic leaders after the House on Tuesday was 
unable to move forward with any resolution. The House was expected to 
within hours follow suit and approve the Senate plan that would fund 
the government through Jan. 15 and raise the debt limit through Feb. 7.



The result of the fight that threatened the nation’s credit rating was 
a near total defeat for the Republican conservatives who had 
engineered the budget impasse as a way to strip the new health care 
law of funding even as registration for benefits opened Oct. 1 or, 
failing that, to win delays in putting the program into place. The 
shutdown sent Republican poll ratings plunging, cost the government 
billions of dollars and damaged the nation’s international credibility.



Under the agreement, the government would be funded through Jan. 15, 
and the debt ceiling would be raised until Feb. 7. The Senate will 
take up a separate motion to instruct House and Senate negotiators to 
reach accord by Dec. 13 on a long-term blueprint for tax and spending 
policies over the next decade.



http://www.nytimes.com/news/fiscal-crisis/2013/10/16/senate-passes-measure-to-end-fiscal-impasse

[FairfieldLife] RE: BIG WHEW

 Judy,
 

 As difficult as it may seem, this resolution shows that the government is 
working, albeit dysfunctionaly, as intended by the US Constitution.  It is 
worth noting that, for whatever political reasons, there were 18 senators who 
voted against the bill to end the fiscal crisis.  The voting public should 
determine who these senators were to assess if they deserve to represent their 
states in the future.  If not, they should be voted out of office in the next 
election.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 Senate Passes Measure to End Fiscal Impasse
 

 WASHINGTON — Congressional Republicans conceded defeat Wednesday in their 
bitter budget fight with President Obama over the new health care law, agreeing 
to end a disruptive 16-day government shutdown and extend federal borrowing 
power to avert a financial default with potential worldwide economic 
repercussions.
 

 With Treasury warning it could run out of money to pay U.S. obligations within 
a day, the Senate voted overwhelmingly Wednesday evening 81-18 to approve an a 
proposal hammered out by the Senate’s Republican and Democratic leaders after 
the House on Tuesday was unable to move forward with any resolution. The House 
was expected to within hours follow suit and approve the Senate plan that would 
fund the government through Jan. 15 and raise the debt limit through Feb. 7.
 

 The result of the fight that threatened the nation’s credit rating was a near 
total defeat for the Republican conservatives who had engineered the budget 
impasse as a way to strip the new health care law of funding even as 
registration for benefits opened Oct. 1 or, failing that, to win delays in 
putting the program into place. The shutdown sent Republican poll ratings 
plunging, cost the government billions of dollars and damaged the nation’s 
international credibility.
 

 Under the agreement, the government would be funded through Jan. 15, and the 
debt ceiling would be raised until Feb. 7. The Senate will take up a separate 
motion to instruct House and Senate negotiators to reach accord by Dec. 13 on a 
long-term blueprint for tax and spending policies over the next decade.
 

 
http://www.nytimes.com/news/fiscal-crisis/2013/10/16/senate-passes-measure-to-end-fiscal-impasse
 
http://www.nytimes.com/news/fiscal-crisis/2013/10/16/senate-passes-measure-to-end-fiscal-impasse

[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: BIG WHEW

Actually the Republicans both in the Senate and the House who voted (or will 
vote) against the proposal are likely to retain their seats; those who voted 
for it are the ones who are going to have problems.
 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

  Judy,
 

 As difficult as it may seem, this resolution shows that the government is 
working, albeit dysfunctionaly, as intended by the US Constitution.  It is 
worth noting that, for whatever political reasons, there were 18 senators who 
voted against the bill to end the fiscal crisis.  The voting public should 
determine who these senators were to assess if they deserve to represent their 
states in the future.  If not, they should be voted out of office in the next 
election.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 Senate Passes Measure to End Fiscal Impasse
 

 WASHINGTON — Congressional Republicans conceded defeat Wednesday in their 
bitter budget fight with President Obama over the new health care law, agreeing 
to end a disruptive 16-day government shutdown and extend federal borrowing 
power to avert a financial default with potential worldwide economic 
repercussions.
 

 With Treasury warning it could run out of money to pay U.S. obligations within 
a day, the Senate voted overwhelmingly Wednesday evening 81-18 to approve an a 
proposal hammered out by the Senate’s Republican and Democratic leaders after 
the House on Tuesday was unable to move forward with any resolution. The House 
was expected to within hours follow suit and approve the Senate plan that would 
fund the government through Jan. 15 and raise the debt limit through Feb. 7.
 

 The result of the fight that threatened the nation’s credit rating was a near 
total defeat for the Republican conservatives who had engineered the budget 
impasse as a way to strip the new health care law of funding even as 
registration for benefits opened Oct. 1 or, failing that, to win delays in 
putting the program into place. The shutdown sent Republican poll ratings 
plunging, cost the government billions of dollars and damaged the nation’s 
international credibility.
 

 Under the agreement, the government would be funded through Jan. 15, and the 
debt ceiling would be raised until Feb. 7. The Senate will take up a separate 
motion to instruct House and Senate negotiators to reach accord by Dec. 13 on a 
long-term blueprint for tax and spending policies over the next decade.
 

 
http://www.nytimes.com/news/fiscal-crisis/2013/10/16/senate-passes-measure-to-end-fiscal-impasse
 
http://www.nytimes.com/news/fiscal-crisis/2013/10/16/senate-passes-measure-to-end-fiscal-impasse

[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: Most Educated Countries in the World

Seraphita,
 

 Based on historical records, it's apparent that the family unit is the best 
natural way to maintain or improve the quality of people in a given society. 
There is no doubt that genetics are involved in some individuals who excel in 
science, business or sports.  As such, the natural way of selection is promoted 
to let people enjoy the quality of life that is most beneficial for the entire 
world.
 

 IMO, this is the reason why eugenics, as practiced by the Nazi's and some 
people here in the USA, won't work as it would interfere with nature's 
functioning.  Similarly, this is the reason why Osho's experiment of having a 
communal family didn't work.  
 

 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 Re Thus, there is a strong argument for having a cohesive family unit in 
order to have a stable population in any country.: 
 That makes good sense . . . but would you *completely* rule out a genetic 
component in this case? It's such a controversial minefield, and - rather like 
global warming - you need to invest so much effort into studying the relevant 
data that I can't be bothered. I'd keep an open mind though.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

  Carde,
 

 According to Wikipedia, the Jewish population is only about 2 percent of the 
entire US population.  But they do appear to have many successful people in 
this country, including Einstein and Barbara Streisand.  IMO, it shows that the 
Jewish families encourage their children to be successful in whatever field 
they choose to work in.
 

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Jews 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Jews

 

 Thus, there is a strong argument for having a cohesive family unit in order to 
have a stable population in any country.  If the family unit is in disarray, 
guess what would happen to the entire country?
 

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister@... wrote:

 I'm afraid without Abraham's descendants US might be way worse off, or stuff.
 

 In scientific documentaries from the US of A, usually at least a half of the 
experts interviewed appear to have Jewish family names?? 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 Would you believe Russia is on top of this list?  And, the USA is only on the 
5th place.  But the US has a secret weapon by offering Genius visas to the 
best and brightest from countries around the world. 

 http://finance.yahoo.com/news/most-educated-countries-world-102232490.html 
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/most-educated-countries-world-102232490.html

RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] College study finds Oreo cookies are as addictive as drugs

Just found a double pack of 12 Tootsie Rolls, at Target, for a buck. (Also 
four stuffed turkey *hats* - awesome) 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 Ooo, now I'm remembering all the candy I did like: Tootsie Rolls and Mary 
Janes and Baby Ruths. Plus some whose name I can't remember. And I was the 
original Cookie Monster. Plus my Mom baked great cakes. It's a wonder I have 
any teeth left!
 

 
 
 On Wednesday, October 16, 2013 1:41 PM, doctordumbass@... 
doctordumbass@... wrote:
 
   All candy was the ambrosia of the gods to me, when I was ten, KK too - pure 
magic, or at least fertile grounds for discovery. And the infamous butterscotch 
pudding - after a serious binge, couldn't even look at that concoction for the 
next few decades!

  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 
 Never liked it enough to OD on it. 

 
 
 On Wednesday, October 16, 2013 12:47 PM, doctordumbass@... 
doctordumbass@... wrote:
 
   LOL You didn't do Halloween right if you didn't OD at least once on Kandy 
Korn as a kid.

  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 Candy corn! Yuck! Might as well fill up the syringe with high fructose corn 
syrup and inject it right into your bloodstream! Perfect dessert to accompany 
streak o lean IMHO! Make sure your will, etc. is in order first!
 

 
 
 On Wednesday, October 16, 2013 8:51 AM, doctordumbass@... 
doctordumbass@... wrote:
 
   Yes, ready-made Double-stuff is an abomination! Only the painstaking 
twisting off, of two dry wafers, from two intact Oreos, and then the blessed 
union of creme-stuff from each, making a home-grown double-stuff, is 
acceptable. It tastes pretty good, when you work for it, but just adding 
another blob of creme at the factory, no fucking way!!!

  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 That is my experience. Those things are deadly, seriously. It is impossible to 
eat one. Eating six is about the minimum at any one sitting that I can handle. 
I only like the originals though - non of that double stuff for me. The balance 
of outer wafer to inner white filling is perfection just as it is.
 
 
 On Tuesday, October 15, 2013 8:27:53 PM, anartaxius@... anartaxius@... 
wrote:
 
   
http://www.foxnews.com/health/2013/10/15/college-study-finds-oreo-cookies-are-as-addictive-as-drugs/
 
http://www.foxnews.com/health/2013/10/15/college-study-finds-oreo-cookies-are-as-addictive-as-drugs/

Re: [FairfieldLife] College study finds Oreo cookies are as addictive as drugs

Look for Flicks dark chocolate at CVS or Luckys. Some of the best dark
chocolate available in the US. If you have a cup cake crave but don't
want to wreck your pancreas try Red Velvet cupcake bites at Dollar Tree
and Nestle's (though I hate their no right to water CEO) Sno Caps
semi-sweet little chocolates. Also Nob Hill has Cutie Pie which if you
like Hostess pies are smaller and 6 to a box and oddly with whole wheat
crusts (but unfortunately HFCS). You can balance the sugar hit with
Frito-Lay Ruffles potato sticks which I have also only found at Dollar
Tree. The plain are just potatoes, oil and salt.

On 10/16/2013 07:32 PM, doctordumb...@rocketmail.com wrote:

Just found a double pack of 12 Tootsie Rolls, at Target, for a buck.
(Also four stuffed turkey *hats* - awesome)

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com
wrote:

Ooo, now I'm remembering all the candy I did like: Tootsie Rolls and
Mary Janes and Baby Ruths. Plus some whose name I can't remember. And
I was the original Cookie Monster. Plus my Mom baked great cakes. It's
a wonder I have any teeth left!

On Wednesday, October 16, 2013 1:41 PM, doctordumbass@...
doctordumbass@... wrote:
All candy was the ambrosia of the gods to me, when I was ten, KK too -
pure magic, or at least fertile grounds for discovery. And the
infamous butterscotch pudding - after a serious binge, couldn't even
look at that concoction for the next few decades!

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com
wrote:

Never liked it enough to OD on it.

On Wednesday, October 16, 2013 12:47 PM, doctordumbass@...
doctordumbass@... wrote:
LOL You didn't do Halloween right if you didn't OD at least once on
Kandy Korn as a kid.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com
wrote:

Candy corn! Yuck! Might as well fill up the syringe with high fructose
corn syrup and inject it right into your bloodstream! Perfect dessert
to accompany streak o lean IMHO! Make sure your will, etc. is in order
first!

On Wednesday, October 16, 2013 8:51 AM, doctordumbass@...
doctordumbass@... wrote:
Yes, ready-made Double-stuff is an abomination! Only the painstaking
twisting off, of two dry wafers, from two intact Oreos, and then the
blessed union of creme-stuff from each, making a home-grown
double-stuff, is acceptable. It tastes pretty good, when you work
for it, but just adding another blob of creme at the factory, no
fucking way!!!

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com
wrote:

That is my experience. Those things are deadly, seriously. It is
impossible to eat one. Eating six is about the minimum at any one
sitting that I can handle. I only like the originals though - non of
that double stuff for me. The balance of outer wafer to inner white
filling is perfection just as it is.

On Tuesday, October 15, 2013 8:27:53 PM, anartaxius@...
anartaxius@... wrote:

http://www.foxnews.com/health/2013/10/15/college-study-finds-oreo-cookies-are-as-addictive-as-drugs/

RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] quot;Embracing the Voidquot;

2013-10-16 Thread emilymaenot

Fabulous article. I love the picture of the sun tunnels too. The last time I
was at the beach this summer, I laid out on the sand at night for quite a while
and watched the sky and shooting stars; such an inexplicable feeling in the
quiet and silence and dark with the waves in the background...very humbling. I
love the last line in the quote.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

I thought of him too as I was reading the essay.

Share wrote:

So lovely...and how I wish that salyavin is lurking and will stumble onto this!

On Wednesday, October 16, 2013 6:41 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@...
wrote:

Embracing the void
The ancients had gods and pyramids to tame the sky's mystery. We have Star
Axis, a masterpiece forty years in the making
By Ross Andersen

http://www.aeonmagazine.com/nature-and-cosmos/star-axis-is-a-profound-meditation-on-the-sky

The site on Google Maps:

http://goo.gl/maps/NYCBQ http://goo.gl/maps/NYCBQ

[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: RE: Most Educated Countries in the World

I'm with you on your stress on the importance of the support of a loving 
family; and I can't see a place for eugenics (except perhaps in screening 
pregnant women for serious abnormalities in the foetus). 
 

 I think that current tests for intelligence tend to uncover the kind of nous 
that makes some people champion chess players or outstanding mathematicians. 
We've all met people who would be no-hopers at maths and chess but strike one 
as very bright indeed - musicians, artists, activists, . . . you name it -  I'm 
wondering if creativity might be the common factor. 
 

 I suspect that creative people are found equally distributed across the human 
family but I don't rule out the suggestion that certain traits like an ability 
to excel at abstract thinking (eg, chess) could ON AVERAGE be more likely to be 
found in certain racial groups. 
 

 Like I said: the science is so brain-numbingly complex and based very much on 
the dismal field of statistics that I can't be arsed to do the necessary work 
to reach a conclusion. But keeping an open mind is always the best policy. 
(And, yes, we all know that bigots and racists will milk any results that 
support their program, but the bigots and racists I've seen seem to be from the 
more stupid end of the bell curve.)
 

 Not being myself Jewish or east Asian (who seem to punch above their weight in 
these abstract fields ON AVERAGE) it doesn't bother me in the slightest if 
scientists eventually confirmed these findings. It wouldn't affect how I 
respond to individuals of various races - nor make me feel inferior.
 

 My putting *creativity* as a higher, more inclusive category that 
*intelligence* in the narrow sense I mention ties in rather nicely with 
Maharishi's suggestion that doing TM is to contact the Field of Creative 
Intelligence that underlies all of us. As people become more creative the 
differences in ability to spot a mate in three moves will seem of interest but 
not of real significance.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 Seraphita,
 

 Based on historical records, it's apparent that the family unit is the best 
natural way to maintain or improve the quality of people in a given society. 
There is no doubt that genetics are involved in some individuals who excel in 
science, business or sports.  As such, the natural way of selection is promoted 
to let people enjoy the quality of life that is most beneficial for the entire 
world.
 

 IMO, this is the reason why eugenics, as practiced by the Nazi's and some 
people here in the USA, won't work as it would interfere with nature's 
functioning.  Similarly, this is the reason why Osho's experiment of having a 
communal family didn't work.  
 

 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 Re Thus, there is a strong argument for having a cohesive family unit in 
order to have a stable population in any country.: 
 That makes good sense . . . but would you *completely* rule out a genetic 
component in this case? It's such a controversial minefield, and - rather like 
global warming - you need to invest so much effort into studying the relevant 
data that I can't be bothered. I'd keep an open mind though.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

  Carde,
 

 According to Wikipedia, the Jewish population is only about 2 percent of the 
entire US population.  But they do appear to have many successful people in 
this country, including Einstein and Barbara Streisand.  IMO, it shows that the 
Jewish families encourage their children to be successful in whatever field 
they choose to work in.
 

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Jews 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Jews

 

 Thus, there is a strong argument for having a cohesive family unit in order to 
have a stable population in any country.  If the family unit is in disarray, 
guess what would happen to the entire country?
 

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister@... wrote:

 I'm afraid without Abraham's descendants US might be way worse off, or stuff.
 

 In scientific documentaries from the US of A, usually at least a half of the 
experts interviewed appear to have Jewish family names?? 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 Would you believe Russia is on top of this list?  And, the USA is only on the 
5th place.  But the US has a secret weapon by offering Genius visas to the 
best and brightest from countries around the world. 

 http://finance.yahoo.com/news/most-educated-countries-world-102232490.html 
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/most-educated-countries-world-102232490.html

[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Think of the children

2013-10-16 Thread emilymaenot

Re: and know that some can be complete arseholes, some can be regular folks 
and some can be generous, warm-hearted and attractive.   Hjust like 
all human beings, no?  Excuse you?  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 Re Seems hard to believe - my grandpap drank copious amounts of moonshine and 
hated black folks as did my pappy, but those decisions have not made their way 
into my energy field.:
 Not hard to believe at all. I have very different attitude to blacks than did 
my grandparents because they knew next-to-nothing about blacks never having met 
one! I - and no doubt you - have worked alongside blacks - and other races - 
and know that some can be complete arseholes, some can be regular folks and 
some can be generous, warm-hearted and attractive. Our knowledge has expanded 
and that has had a corresponding effect on our outlooks. Genetics isn't 
fatalistic destiny - unless we're talking ginger hair and skin tone - but it 
can modify our tendencies. The interesting thing about the article I linked to 
is that it suggests your behaviour can tweak your descendents' characteristics.
 

 Never tried moonshine; is it any good?
 

 

 

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote:

 seems hard to believe - my grandpap drank copious amounts of moonshine and 
hated black folks as did my pappy, but those decisions have not made their way 
into my energy field.
 
 On Wed, 10/16/13, s3raphita@... mailto:s3raphita@... s3raphita@... 
mailto:s3raphita@... wrote:
 
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Think of the children
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Wednesday, October 16, 2013, 9:16 PM
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 We’ve long
 been told our genes are our destiny. But it’s now thought
 they can be changed by habit, lifestyle, even finances. What
 does this mean for our children? Your bad habits –
 smoking, overeating – can be passed onto your offspring,
 and even further down the hereditary line. Or, put another
 way: your grandfather was making lifestyle decisions that
 affect you today.http://tinyurl.com/qhso6vx http://tinyurl.com/qhso6vx
 
 The Lord is long suffering . . .
 visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, unto
 the third and fourth generation. Numbers
 14:18

[FairfieldLife] RE: Think of the children