[FairfieldLife] Nice, quot;artisticquot; hi-hat work??
(Sorry, just killing time...) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msXAX6DzR8w http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msXAX6DzR8w I know that it's night, when you arrive at your home, dark. Loneliness hits (you) without saying its name. When you read my letter, you'll hear an echo You'll see the stains that you reckon are rain. I'm going outside, in light. On my face I can feel the wind. Couldn't feel it in the house where won't never return, I guess. I'm not going anywhere, nowhere (doesn't) come to me, because-of / for me. Only stains on a paper, so don't get mad. Things won't change a bit because of them...
[FairfieldLife] All Bullies Are Narcissists
Fascinating article from The Atlantic: http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2013/11/all-bullies-are-narcis\ sists/281407/ http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2013/11/all-bullies-are-narci\ ssists/281407/ Read through it and see if it doesn't remind you of the Mean Girl behavior we've seen on this forum, especially the credo of the MGC's founder: I am a winner because you are a loser.
[FairfieldLife] Professional Bringdowns
A rap I rediscovered lurking on my hard disk this morning, shortly after reading the article I posted earlier from The Atlantic. I started it in a cafe near the one in which I'm sitting now over two weeks ago. I never posted it here or did anything with it because it was only an in-the-moment rap, and I didn't think it was finished. I do that sometimes -- I start an idea, but then my enthusiasm for it peters out during the writing, so I stash it away and come back to it later to see if I can continue riffing on the concept. This morning I couldn't think of anything more to add, so I guess it's finished after all. Needless to say -- and as with *all* of my cafe raps -- all of this is Just My Opinion. This is a generic cafe rap, about a certain personality type one tends to find on the Internet. All fucking *over* the Internet. Any attempt to try to make it into a slam against any individual or set of individuals will probably be perceived as what it is, self-importance rearing its ugly ego again. This is *not* a generic rap about Trolls, although I would class all Professional Bringdowns as Trolls. There is a distinction. Ts seek attention. PBs seek to lower someone else's attention. Call it a failing, but I have a tendency to see *trends* in the things I see around me. It may be a carryover from working for so many years in the fields of database, data mining, and optimization, or it may have been my schooling as a sociologist. Whatever. I'm stuck with it. And this failing carries over to my reading of the Internet, where I see people acting out on a sometimes daily basis, completely lost in the moment of acting out, and unaware that they are acting out the same scenarios over and over and over. And over. Enough times to establish a *trend*. One of those trends that I've noticed is that some Internetfolk seem to come alive only when someone they don't like on a forum is Having A Good Time. From my point of view, trying to analyze the trend, they don't much *like* that someone they don't like is Having A Good Time, and in a happy, up state of attention. So they set about trying to sabotage that person's Good Time, and make them have a Bad Time. They nitpick about something the person said, or make fun of it, or call them names, or correct them on something, or play shoot the messenger to try to squash the message of happiness and upness they are responding to. In other words, they're reacting to a happy, up state of attention by trying to lower it to a hurt or angry downer state of attention. Go figure.
[FairfieldLife] The Tao Of Writing
This is another rap that I started in a cafe in Uzes back in August and then never got back to. This morning I went back to it, with the intent of finishing it, but again found that I didn't want to. As always, anything said is Just My Opinion. You may have a different opinion, and that's just fine with me. I'm not trying to sell you mine; I'm just rappin'. Elmore Leonard's quote about writing (If you're not having fun, you're doing it wrong.) has set me to thinking about writing itself, and what good writing might be. Neither I nor anyone else can tell you what good writing is FOR YOU. That is, and will always remain, a subjective experience. It's a subjective experience for the people claiming to know what good writing is, too, they just won't admit it. They read something, enjoy it, and then make up reasons *why* they enjoyed it after the fact. Lit crit, in the sense that someone tries to persuade others to believe that what *he* or *she* liked is something that they should like, too, is an ego game usually played by people who have never written anything creative themselves. Me, I tend to think (this afternoon, anyway) that good writing is writing that *moves* you. NOT in the usual sense in which someone says, Wow, that gratuitously emotional scene really *moved* me, but in the sense that good writing can actually *move* a reader from one state of attention to another. (Those of you who have read Castaneda, think his shifting the assemblage point.) You start reading in one state of attention, which for most people is the one they woke up in. I did that today, starting in a pleasant and very relaxed vacationing-in-the-South-of-France state of attention that was great, just nothing to write home about. But then I picked up Chris Moore's book, which I had stopped reading back in Paris some months ago because I got busy and stopped having time to read, and started into it again. It took fewer than ten pages before I had shifted into an entirely different state of attention. Chris' sense of FUN as he was writing came through the pages and *infected* me with the FUN virus. I got to a line in which he was describing the very 'hood I lived in in Paris until recently, and his description of a now-familiar site as the Church of Saint-Nicolas-du-Chardonnet (the patron saint of wine in a box) made me laugh so hard I snorted fruit juice through my nose. To be honest, you may have had to have been in that church to get the full impact of how funny this line is, but it *really* struck me as funny. So I laughed. And then laughed again, when he described the sight of Henri de Toulouse-Lautrec trying to carry a framed canvas twice his height as being perceived by neighborhood children as being better than a bear on a bicycle eating a nun. What can I say? I love Chris' humor. If you don't, you might want to go back up to the second paragraph of this rap and read it again, the part about taste in writing being subjective. But the fascinating thing for me is that as I sat there, laughing out loud every few pages, I suddenly realized that I was in a very different state of attention than the one I'd woken up in. And Chris DID that. THAT, to me, is what good writing is about. You sit down to read it in one state of attention, and you get up after reading it in quite another. If you can identify with this, and have even experienced it in your own life, now come back to Elmore Leonard's one-liner: If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right. Chris was having a BALL when he wrote this novel about Paris. Yes, it *also* involved a lot of work and research, but the writing itself was FUN for him. You can *feel* the FUN radiating from the page. A spiritual teacher I studied with for a while once said, FUN is the universe's way of telling you you're doing something right. I completely agree. FUN is, for me, the subjective experience of being in the flow a la Taoism. THAT is what I think I picked up from Chris' writing, that sense of being in the flow, of doing something right. Reading his words, I caught that mindstate from him, laughed, and shifted into a more FUN state of attention myself. He *shared* his in the flow mindstate with me. Good for him. Now think about writers who *aren't* having any FUN as they write. For example, think about philosophers who are so SERIOUS about the importance of being stuck in their own heads that they labor over every word, trying to make it perfect. Writing is *work* for them. So it's *work* for the readers. That is the vibe that comes through the pages. But then think about the improv writers, as I tend to call them. An idea strikes them and they allow that idea to *flow through them*, obstructing the flow with as little self-editing as possible. Stream of consciousness. Done badly, SOC can be terrible. But done well...ah...now that can be Art. That FLOW -- when an idea is streaming through your head and you're able to allow it expression in words (or music, or painting,
[FairfieldLife] Bird with a 'tude
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[FairfieldLife] Japan will have more fun with the end of the world than we will
http://www.wired.com/business/2013/11/robot-restaurant/ http://www.wired.com/business/2013/11/robot-restaurant/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendental Meditation Revolutionary Mission:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: Seraphita wrote: Everything is hunky-dory exactly as it is. We (which includes me) don't see that as we judge everything from our own limited perspective. Which is hunky-dory exactly as it is. :-) [https://scontent-a-cdg.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/q71/1424456_5368077097\ 42251_696458290_n.jpg] https://scontent-a-cdg.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/q71/1424456_53680770974\ 2251_696458290_n.jpg https://scontent-a-cdg.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/q71/1424456_5368077097\ 42251_696458290_n.jpg
[FairfieldLife] The Minion Koan
How many minions does it take to change a light bulb? Or into one? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15QOlcKaH98 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15QOlcKaH98 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15QOlcKaH98 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15QOlcKaH98
[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Re: Holy Hell: A Memoir of Faith, Devotion, and Pure Madness
dear not really indifferent, much of my thinking about this topic is based on knowing Rick in person. I think he's quite intelligent and impervious to self delusion so I choose to trust his input. About Amma and Gail I will never know the *facts* via my own direct observations so I rely on the observations of others I have found trustworthy. All the while knowing that I might be wrong. That's the thing I think. At any moment we might be wrong. All we can do is our best in any moment. If we're wrong, life will straighten us out one way or the other. I can live with that. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: This is an extremely cultish, delusional thinking. Here's an interview of Gail Tredwell on this book - open in Google Chrome for English translation http://spuren.ch/content/magazin/single-ansicht-nachrichten/datumamma-die-kehrseite-einer-heiligen.html http://spuren.ch/content/magazin/single-ansicht-nachrichten/datumamma-die-kehrseite-einer-heiligen.html http://spuren.ch/content/magazin/single-ansicht-nachrichten/datumamma-die-kehrseite-einer-heiligen.html ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: To be that close to Amma for that long is bound to bring up the biggest, fattest stresses, karma from many, many lifetimes. May she somehow find peace when all is said and done. On Thursday, November 14, 2013 2:49 PM, merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: 'Amma's shadow'Gail Tredwell last video :River of Love ◦ Mata Amritanandamayi could be shot just few months before she left the ashram-? Should be at 46m28s - http://youtu.be/dz6bFeYUNCU?t=46m28s%20- http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpagev=dz6bFeYUNCU#t=2789 http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpagev=dz6bFeYUNCU#t=2789 http://youtu.be/dz6bFeYUNCU?t=46m28s - http://youtu.be/dz6bFeYUNCU?t=46m28s%20- http://youtu.be/dz6bFeYUNCU?t=46m28s%20- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dz6bFeYUNCUfeature=youtu.bet=46m28s http://youtu.be/dz6bFeYUNCU?t=46m28s%20- http://youtu.be/dz6bFeYUNCU?t=46m28s%20- http://youtu.be/dz6bFeYUNCU?t=46m28s%20- The 2011-12 foreign contribution report (from 4/1/2011 through 3/31/2012 and 2010-2011) for the Mata Amritanandamayi Math is up now on the FCRA website: http://fcraonline.nic.in/fc3_verify.aspx?RCN=052930183Rby=2011-2012 http://fcraonline.nic.in/fc3_verify.aspx?RCN=052930183Rby=2011-2012 http://fcraonline.nic.in/fc3_verify.aspx?RCN=052930183Rby=2010-2011 http://fcraonline.nic.in/fc3_verify.aspx?RCN=052930183Rby=2010-2011 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote: Pages to read: http://ammascandal.wordpress.com/category/amma-lies/ http://ammascandal.wordpress.com/category/amma-lies/ http://ammascandal.wordpress.com/category/amma-scandal/ http://ammascandal.wordpress.com/category/amma-scandal/ From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Share Long Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 5:43 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Re: Holy Hell: A Memoir of Faith, Devotion, and Pure Madness I've been to Amma's gatherings a few times and liked getting hugged, liked the bhajans and the feeling of being at a market in India. I also liked that it was so different than TM gatherings which are drier and more knowledge based. Also it was interesting to see the Western devotees garbed in Indian clothing and living a more obviously ashram lifestyle. A former boyfriend left Purusha and ended up buying a condo at Amma's ashram in India and I got some insights from him about that particular path. Bottom line, we live in interesting times but maybe everybody in every era thinks that! On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 10:52 PM, emilymaenot@... mailto:emilymaenot@...; emilymaenot@... mailto:emilymaenot@... wrote: I only spent 3 days and just one time (although it was enough for me to spend hours on the internet to reconcile my reality and that of my children's with the experience and the experience of the family I went with and to feel compelled to write up my story for a post in the process). I think Rick or Ravi or maybe Share? could take you up on this, but I don't want to start any drama. It is a good story and it represents 20 years of her life and I respect it and her fully. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... wrote: Hmmm, I would be interested to compare the experience of those who had been around Amma with what the author is going to reveal in her book. I would also like to know if what the author says resonates in any way or form with what someone who approaches Amma openly and sincerely would have to say about their experience with/of her. Everyone is different and their filtering/perception mechanism is
[FairfieldLife] what's unchanging about change is that it's always changing
I think it was Thursday night that I was horrified by my post count. I actually thought maybe we should return to limited posting. And then I thought that some more. But only because I thought it might bring some former posters back. Like Ravi and Obbajee and Steve, etc. Unlimited posting and Neo have delivered a one two punch to FFL. Even if it's not down for the count, it's definitely changed forever. I miss all those former posters. Sure, some more than others. But I feel nostalgic for them all, for the good old days. Jeez! Anyway, it's still dark outside and I can only hear the rain. Rain on fallen leaves makes its very own sound.
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Minion Koan
7 posts this morning! This is one of the qualities I like about turq, his generosity, and that his posts are often about fascinating stuff. That's all I got for now (-: On Saturday, November 16, 2013 5:42 AM, TurquoiseB turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote: How many minions does it take to change a light bulb? Or into one? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15QOlcKaH98
[FairfieldLife] RE: All Bullies Are Narcissists
What's fascinating is the EXTRAORDINARY hypocrisy of Barry accusing anybody else of bullying. Once you've viciously attacked someone in a post headed SHUT THE FUCK UP, you've pretty much announced that you've permanently given up your last shred of credibility as a critic of bullies. And BTW, I never said what Barry quotes me as saying below. He made that up out of whole cloth. That's what losers have to do when they don't have a case. Doesn't make anyone else a winner; it only confirms that one is a loser. Plus, just a reminder: The Mean Girls Club doesn't exist except in Barry's fantasies about his critics. Oh, and one last thing: Yesterday Richard cited an alt.m.t post of Barry's from 2004. If you read the discussion surrounding that post, you'll find a bunch of people making the exact same criticisms of Barry that are made here. Excerpt: One doesn't have to be a rocket scientist to recognize you as the 'know it all' egotist when you get criticized. You're a classic example; far from anything akin to what anyone would consider a person of spiritual integrity, in either the absolute or relative sense. Your blatantly obvious defensive ego trip betrays any pretense you might have in that regard. I doubt however, that your ego will allow your intellect to even consider the possibility. Barry wrote: Fascinating article from The Atlantic: http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2013/11/all-bullies-are-narcissists/281407/ http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2013/11/all-bullies-are-narcissists/281407/ Read through it and see if it doesn't remind you of the Mean Girl behavior we've seen on this forum, especially the credo of the MGC's founder: I am a winner because you are a loser.
RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Minion Koan
Say, Share, another question I asked you yesterday that you didn't respond to: Do you think Barry has changed his mind about you since his SHUT THE FUCK UP post? Share fawned: 7 posts this morning! This is one of the qualities I like about turq, his generosity, and that his posts are often about fascinating stuff. That's all I got for now (-: On Saturday, November 16, 2013 5:42 AM, TurquoiseB turquoiseb@... wrote: How many minions does it take to change a light bulb? Or into one?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Bird with a 'tude
Well, I definitely can tell that sign isn't in Texas. It lacks the necessary dozen or so bullet holes. On Saturday, November 16, 2013 3:07 AM, TurquoiseB turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote: https://scontent-a-cdg.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/q71/1474605_799118446784277_436949926_n.jpg I always loved this photo, which I found first on George Takei's site. The issue of whether it was Photoshopped into creation is moot; the juxtaposition of images is all that matters.
[FairfieldLife] RE: Japan will have more fun with the end of the world than we will
Maybe they won't . . . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yil_cn_1gMo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yil_cn_1gMo No Sex Please, We're Japanese ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote: http://www.wired.com/business/2013/11/robot-restaurant/ http://www.wired.com/business/2013/11/robot-restaurant/
[FairfieldLife] Lion hunting - not just for the macho types
It's amazing how quickly societal attitudes change. It's not that long ago that Ernest Hemingway liked having his photo taken posing proudly next to lions he'd hunted and killed. Today the same sport(?) elicits howls of outrage. (By the way: myself, I wouldn't find any pleasure at all in killing such wonderful creatures.) http://tinyurl.com/nuymrja http://tinyurl.com/nuymrja
[FairfieldLife] RE: Lion hunting - not just for the macho types
What an utterly appalling photograph. There really has been a change of sensibilities, and not just because so many wild species are going extinct or are endangered, although that certainly helps. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote: It's amazing how quickly societal attitudes change. It's not that long ago that Ernest Hemingway liked having his photo taken posing proudly next to lions he'd hunted and killed. Today the same sport(?) elicits howls of outrage. (By the way: myself, I wouldn't find any pleasure at all in killing such wonderful creatures.) http://tinyurl.com/nuymrja http://tinyurl.com/nuymrja
Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Minion Koan
Judy, a way more interesting question imho is why do you even care what I think turq thinks. Should I even feed your strange interest by answering you? What the heck: I doubt turq thinks about me much. Probably he hasn't changed his mind. But so what? See, I think in your mind that means I should be mean to him and not say thanks for a post I like, etc. But for me it's important to tell people when I like their posts. It's also important for me to disagree with people who are ganging up on someone. I'm sure there's a karmic reason but I don't need to figure it out for now. It feels right when I do both and that's why I do them. On Saturday, November 16, 2013 9:26 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: Say, Share, another question I asked you yesterday that you didn't respond to: Do you think Barry has changed his mind about you since his SHUT THE FUCK UP post? Share fawned: 7 posts this morning! This is one of the qualities I like about turq, his generosity, and that his posts are often about fascinating stuff. That's all I got for now (-: On Saturday, November 16, 2013 5:42 AM, TurquoiseB turquoiseb@... wrote: How many minions does it take to change a light bulb? Or into one?
[FairfieldLife] RE: Lion hunting - not just for the macho types
The way she's arranged the poses of the animals she's slain adds that extra creepy touch. Is that some kind of ultra hi-tech bow she's holding next to the stag? ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: What an utterly appalling photograph. There really has been a change of sensibilities, and not just because so many wild species are going extinct or are endangered, although that certainly helps. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote: It's amazing how quickly societal attitudes change. It's not that long ago that Ernest Hemingway liked having his photo taken posing proudly next to lions he'd hunted and killed. Today the same sport(?) elicits howls of outrage. (By the way: myself, I wouldn't find any pleasure at all in killing such wonderful creatures.) http://tinyurl.com/nuymrja http://tinyurl.com/nuymrja
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Yaqui Vastu
Richard, I love that Yaqui Vastu principle of building with non stressed materials. But I have to wonder how sustainable that is. I mean, are there enough stones lying around? I wonder if straw bales would be acceptable. And before, you had mentioned cedar. But wouldn't cedar have to be transported? I admit the principle is wonderful but it seems extreme measures would be needed to realize it. What do you think? On Friday, November 15, 2013 9:29 PM, Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: The Sanskrit word 'vastu' means a dwelling or house with a corresponding plot of land. The word pertains to construction. Vastu is based in five elements: earth, air, fire, water, and space, all interrelated. Yaqui Vastu involves the awareness of how the ways of construction, orientation, and placement affect our environment and thus our own daily activities and relations. Wall detail, Mission San José y San Miguel de Aguayo: http://www.nps.gov/saan/planyourvisit/sanjose.htm Following up on the Yaqui Vastu principle of 'non-stressing', we should make a note on the nature of the materials vis a vis the stress factor. It should be obvious that the ideal material for a Yaqui Vastu dwelling would be natural stone. Not stressed stone made by quarry or dressing, but found stones that lay on top of the land. These stones would ideally be found locally (within 10,000 feet of the building site) so as to avoid the stress of transportation whether by truck or rail. Yaqui Vastu can be defined as The skillful use of the best available materials and knowledge in order to create the most suitable conditions for living and working. On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 5:25 PM, jr_...@yahoo.com wrote: Richard, If those houses are not facing east or north, they may not be good for the residents according to MMY's principles of vastu. It's also a good idea to have an atrium in the middle of the house. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote: By 6,000 B.C.E. the art of geomacy resulted in the megalith and mound culture of Europe and South India. By 4,000 B.C.E. we see communities emerge, of which the Indus Valley Civilization, with it's planned city streets, being a prime example. In the Fertile Crescent the city states of Mesopotamia arose. Example of Yaqui Vastu House in San Antonio: Spanish style house at Brenda Gallery: Spanish Style House: The Spanish Colonial Revival Style is a United States architectural stylistic movement arising in the early 20th century based on the Spanish Colonial architecture of the Spanish colonization of the Americas. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Colonial_Revival_architecture On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 2:15 PM, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Richard, I really like feng shui and knew that it meant wind and water. But I didn't know the other details about that. And I never knew about the role of fire in geomancy. Very fascinating knowledge. Of course the Zone of Tranquility reminds me of the brahmanstan in vastu vidya. On Monday, October 14, 2013 1:45 PM, Richard Williams punditster@... wrote: To the extent that the building embodies meanings conducive to an intellectual vision of the non-duality of principal Unity and manifested multiplicity, it functions as a symbol, that is to say, as a representation of reality on another. The belief that the building is capable of performing this symbolic function is founded on the Indian doctrine that there exists an analogy, or a correspondence between the physical and the metaphysical orders of reality, that the sensible world is a similitude of the intellectual, in such a way that: This world is the image of that, and vice-versa. (Aitareya Aranyaka, VIII.2, Keith) We really like the idea of having an interior courtyard as a zone of tranquility in a Spanish style home. It's like bring the outside into the inside. The outside doesn't have to very fancy, just simple daub and wattle with some Spanish tile. The simple exterior, in keeping with Spanish/Mexican adobe construction of a century ago, gives way to a modern interior, a contemplative courtyard experience centered on the sky and a swimming pool, creating a year-round connection between the home's interior and exterior spaces. More at HK Associates Inc. Photo: Timmerman Photography. http://barrio-historico-house On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 12:40 PM, Richard Williams punditster@... wrote: Inside the zone of tranquility, there should be a balance between wind and water. The art of Fengshui in its earliest recorded context specifically refers to the School of Forms. Terrestrial features serve to block the wind, which captures qi and scatters it, and channel the waters, which collect qi and store it. Fengshui may literally indicate wind and water, but this is merely shorthand for an environmental policy of hindering the wind and hoarding the waters.
[FairfieldLife] The Man without a Head
Ten-minute YouTube clip in which English eccentric Douglas Harding insists you are not what you look like. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcDMJvO6aHU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcDMJvO6aHU
[FairfieldLife] The East
I rented The East and watched last night which stars Brit Marling, Alexander Skarsgard, Ellen Page and Patricia Clarkson. Marling plays a operative for a private intelligence firm which spies upon activist organizations. She infiltrates one and learns some lessons along the way. This film was also co-produced by Ridley Scott and his late brother Tony. Available at Redbox and online rental sites. I highly recommend it. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1869716/
Re: [FairfieldLife] electric morning - Gemini
You might enjoy this guys site and music. I downloaded his software but haven't tried it yet: http://www.palette-mct.com/index.html On 11/15/2013 06:25 PM, doctordumb...@rocketmail.com wrote: Whatever works! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote: Sounds more like something to enjoy in the evening as the natives dance around a fire about to sacrifice a virgin. ;-) On 11/15/2013 06:19 PM, doctordumbass@... mailto:doctordumbass@... wrote: A new one - applied echo and distortion to two entire tracks, within the mix. Video coming soon - was up in SF today, and taking pictures of this Russian orthodox church's gold dome, on upper Market, and the Golden Gate bridge, in the same shot. A beautiful clear day - Enjoy this one on a crisp morning, with an espresso. 1:58 'electric morning - Gemini' https://app.box.com/s/m1ura4sgze9gt8eevjog Copyright Temple Dog
RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Minion Koan
Let me just put it this way, Share. I think your actual motivations for the way you respond to people are quite different from what you claim. I think most of your behavior on FFL is carefully tailored to attempt to make people think highly of you. The problem is that when your control slips, you show a completely different face. That's all I'll say for now, except to note that the quality in people I value most highly is authenticity, and the quality I most despise is lack of same. An inauthentic pose of virtue, as far as I'm concerned, is far more reprehensible than an authentic, let-it-all-hang-out display of vice. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Judy, a way more interesting question imho is why do you even care what I think turq thinks. Should I even feed your strange interest by answering you? What the heck: I doubt turq thinks about me much. Probably he hasn't changed his mind. But so what? See, I think in your mind that means I should be mean to him and not say thanks for a post I like, etc. But for me it's important to tell people when I like their posts. It's also important for me to disagree with people who are ganging up on someone. I'm sure there's a karmic reason but I don't need to figure it out for now. It feels right when I do both and that's why I do them. On Saturday, November 16, 2013 9:26 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: Say, Share, another question I asked you yesterday that you didn't respond to: Do you think Barry has changed his mind about you since his SHUT THE FUCK UP post? Share fawned: 7 posts this morning! This is one of the qualities I like about turq, his generosity, and that his posts are often about fascinating stuff. That's all I got for now (-: On Saturday, November 16, 2013 5:42 AM, TurquoiseB turquoiseb@... wrote: How many minions does it take to change a light bulb? Or into one?
Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Minion Koan
Judy, imo your self righteousness with regards to authenticity is itself proof of over compensation. Your alleged devotion to authenticity and your opinions of me also imo are both results of your childhood. And that's all I'm going to say. On Saturday, November 16, 2013 11:10 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: Let me just put it this way, Share. I think your actual motivations for the way you respond to people are quite different from what you claim. I think most of your behavior on FFL is carefully tailored to attempt to make people think highly of you. The problem is that when your control slips, you show a completely different face. That's all I'll say for now, except to note that the quality in people I value most highly is authenticity, and the quality I most despise is lack of same. An inauthentic pose of virtue, as far as I'm concerned, is far more reprehensible than an authentic, let-it-all-hang-out display of vice. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Judy, a way more interesting question imho is why do you even care what I think turq thinks. Should I even feed your strange interest by answering you? What the heck: I doubt turq thinks about me much. Probably he hasn't changed his mind. But so what? See, I think in your mind that means I should be mean to him and not say thanks for a post I like, etc. But for me it's important to tell people when I like their posts. It's also important for me to disagree with people who are ganging up on someone. I'm sure there's a karmic reason but I don't need to figure it out for now. It feels right when I do both and that's why I do them. On Saturday, November 16, 2013 9:26 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: Say, Share, another question I asked you yesterday that you didn't respond to: Do you think Barry has changed his mind about you since his SHUT THE FUCK UP post? Share fawned: 7 posts this morning! This is one of the qualities I like about turq, his generosity, and that his posts are often about fascinating stuff. That's all I got for now (-: On Saturday, November 16, 2013 5:42 AM, TurquoiseB turquoiseb@... wrote: How many minions does it take to change a light bulb? Or into one?
[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Lion hunting - not just for the macho types
Yes, carefully designed to conceal the animals' fatal wounds. Don't know about that weird weapon. Could be a high-tech crossbow, I guess. I tried pasting in a photo; if it doesn't show up, it's at: http://www.whitegadget.com/pc-wallpapers/140804-crossbow.html http://www.whitegadget.com/pc-wallpapers/140804-crossbow.html Fifth image from the top. Doesn't really look like what she's holding, but it doesn't look much like a crossbow, either. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote: The way she's arranged the poses of the animals she's slain adds that extra creepy touch. Is that some kind of ultra hi-tech bow she's holding next to the stag? ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: What an utterly appalling photograph. There really has been a change of sensibilities, and not just because so many wild species are going extinct or are endangered, although that certainly helps. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote: It's amazing how quickly societal attitudes change. It's not that long ago that Ernest Hemingway liked having his photo taken posing proudly next to lions he'd hunted and killed. Today the same sport(?) elicits howls of outrage. (By the way: myself, I wouldn't find any pleasure at all in killing such wonderful creatures.) http://tinyurl.com/nuymrja http://tinyurl.com/nuymrja
RE: Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Minion Koan
(snicker) Thanks for proving my point, Share. You're so dependable in that regard. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Judy, imo your self righteousness with regards to authenticity is itself proof of over compensation. Your alleged devotion to authenticity and your opinions of me also imo are both results of your childhood. And that's all I'm going to say. On Saturday, November 16, 2013 11:10 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: Let me just put it this way, Share. I think your actual motivations for the way you respond to people are quite different from what you claim. I think most of your behavior on FFL is carefully tailored to attempt to make people think highly of you. The problem is that when your control slips, you show a completely different face. That's all I'll say for now, except to note that the quality in people I value most highly is authenticity, and the quality I most despise is lack of same. An inauthentic pose of virtue, as far as I'm concerned, is far more reprehensible than an authentic, let-it-all-hang-out display of vice. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Judy, a way more interesting question imho is why do you even care what I think turq thinks. Should I even feed your strange interest by answering you? What the heck: I doubt turq thinks about me much. Probably he hasn't changed his mind. But so what? See, I think in your mind that means I should be mean to him and not say thanks for a post I like, etc. But for me it's important to tell people when I like their posts. It's also important for me to disagree with people who are ganging up on someone. I'm sure there's a karmic reason but I don't need to figure it out for now. It feels right when I do both and that's why I do them. On Saturday, November 16, 2013 9:26 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: Say, Share, another question I asked you yesterday that you didn't respond to: Do you think Barry has changed his mind about you since his SHUT THE FUCK UP post? Share fawned: 7 posts this morning! This is one of the qualities I like about turq, his generosity, and that his posts are often about fascinating stuff. That's all I got for now (-: On Saturday, November 16, 2013 5:42 AM, TurquoiseB turquoiseb@... wrote: How many minions does it take to change a light bulb? Or into one?
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: All Bullies Are Narcissists
By definition cyber bullying (minors) and harassment (adults) are ongoing and relentless. From this perspective, what falls into this category? One incident of verbal abuse? Or many instances of repeating that incident? As well as many instances of other verbal attacks? It's not rocket science. On Saturday, November 16, 2013 9:06 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: What's fascinating is the EXTRAORDINARY hypocrisy of Barry accusing anybody else of bullying. Once you've viciously attacked someone in a post headed SHUT THE FUCK UP, you've pretty much announced that you've permanently given up your last shred of credibility as a critic of bullies. And BTW, I never said what Barry quotes me as saying below. He made that up out of whole cloth. That's what losers have to do when they don't have a case. Doesn't make anyone else a winner; it only confirms that one is a loser. Plus, just a reminder: The Mean Girls Club doesn't exist except in Barry's fantasies about his critics. Oh, and one last thing: Yesterday Richard cited an alt.m.t post of Barry's from 2004. If you read the discussion surrounding that post, you'll find a bunch of people making the exact same criticisms of Barry that are made here. Excerpt: One doesn't have to be a rocket scientist to recognize you as the 'know it all' egotist when you get criticized. You're a classic example; far from anything akin to what anyone would consider a person of spiritual integrity, in either the absolute or relative sense. Your blatantly obvious defensive ego trip betrays any pretense you might have in that regard. I doubt however, that your ego will allow your intellect to even consider the possibility. Barry wrote: Fascinating article from The Atlantic: http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2013/11/all-bullies-are-narcissists/281407/ Read through it and see if it doesn't remind you of the Mean Girl behavior we've seen on this forum, especially the credo of the MGC's founder: I am a winner because you are a loser.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: All Bullies Are Narcissists
Judy, what do you hope to accomplish by quoting something negative about turq from the other forum? On Saturday, November 16, 2013 11:40 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote: By definition cyber bullying (minors) and harassment (adults) are ongoing and relentless. From this perspective, what falls into this category? One incident of verbal abuse? Or many instances of repeating that incident? As well as many instances of other verbal attacks? It's not rocket science. On Saturday, November 16, 2013 9:06 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: What's fascinating is the EXTRAORDINARY hypocrisy of Barry accusing anybody else of bullying. Once you've viciously attacked someone in a post headed SHUT THE FUCK UP, you've pretty much announced that you've permanently given up your last shred of credibility as a critic of bullies. And BTW, I never said what Barry quotes me as saying below. He made that up out of whole cloth. That's what losers have to do when they don't have a case. Doesn't make anyone else a winner; it only confirms that one is a loser. Plus, just a reminder: The Mean Girls Club doesn't exist except in Barry's fantasies about his critics. Oh, and one last thing: Yesterday Richard cited an alt.m.t post of Barry's from 2004. If you read the discussion surrounding that post, you'll find a bunch of people making the exact same criticisms of Barry that are made here. Excerpt: One doesn't have to be a rocket scientist to recognize you as the 'know it all' egotist when you get criticized. You're a classic example; far from anything akin to what anyone would consider a person of spiritual integrity, in either the absolute or relative sense. Your blatantly obvious defensive ego trip betrays any pretense you might have in that regard. I doubt however, that your ego will allow your intellect to even consider the possibility. Barry wrote: Fascinating article from The Atlantic: http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2013/11/all-bullies-are-narcissists/281407/ Read through it and see if it doesn't remind you of the Mean Girl behavior we've seen on this forum, especially the credo of the MGC's founder: I am a winner because you are a loser.
RE: RE: Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Minion Koan
P.S.: You're quite right about my childhood, albeit not in the way you hope. I had a happy, stress-free childhood with two parents who loved me deeply and steadfastly. They passed on their own devotion to authenticity and loathing of phoniness to me. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: (snicker) Thanks for proving my point, Share. You're so dependable in that regard. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Judy, imo your self righteousness with regards to authenticity is itself proof of over compensation. Your alleged devotion to authenticity and your opinions of me also imo are both results of your childhood. And that's all I'm going to say. On Saturday, November 16, 2013 11:10 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: Let me just put it this way, Share. I think your actual motivations for the way you respond to people are quite different from what you claim. I think most of your behavior on FFL is carefully tailored to attempt to make people think highly of you. The problem is that when your control slips, you show a completely different face. That's all I'll say for now, except to note that the quality in people I value most highly is authenticity, and the quality I most despise is lack of same. An inauthentic pose of virtue, as far as I'm concerned, is far more reprehensible than an authentic, let-it-all-hang-out display of vice. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Judy, a way more interesting question imho is why do you even care what I think turq thinks. Should I even feed your strange interest by answering you? What the heck: I doubt turq thinks about me much. Probably he hasn't changed his mind. But so what? See, I think in your mind that means I should be mean to him and not say thanks for a post I like, etc. But for me it's important to tell people when I like their posts. It's also important for me to disagree with people who are ganging up on someone. I'm sure there's a karmic reason but I don't need to figure it out for now. It feels right when I do both and that's why I do them. On Saturday, November 16, 2013 9:26 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: Say, Share, another question I asked you yesterday that you didn't respond to: Do you think Barry has changed his mind about you since his SHUT THE FUCK UP post? Share fawned: 7 posts this morning! This is one of the qualities I like about turq, his generosity, and that his posts are often about fascinating stuff. That's all I got for now (-: On Saturday, November 16, 2013 5:42 AM, TurquoiseB turquoiseb@... wrote: How many minions does it take to change a light bulb? Or into one?
RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: All Bullies Are Narcissists
Barry's behavior on FFL is the paradigm: Ongoing, relentless, incessant verbal abuse, from the time I first encountered him around 1995 on alt.m.t to this day. (And obviously not just of me, although I've been his prime target.) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: By definition cyber bullying (minors) and harassment (adults) are ongoing and relentless. From this perspective, what falls into this category? One incident of verbal abuse? Or many instances of repeating that incident? As well as many instances of other verbal attacks? It's not rocket science. On Saturday, November 16, 2013 9:06 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: What's fascinating is the EXTRAORDINARY hypocrisy of Barry accusing anybody else of bullying. Once you've viciously attacked someone in a post headed SHUT THE FUCK UP, you've pretty much announced that you've permanently given up your last shred of credibility as a critic of bullies. And BTW, I never said what Barry quotes me as saying below. He made that up out of whole cloth. That's what losers have to do when they don't have a case. Doesn't make anyone else a winner; it only confirms that one is a loser. Plus, just a reminder: The Mean Girls Club doesn't exist except in Barry's fantasies about his critics. Oh, and one last thing: Yesterday Richard cited an alt.m.t post of Barry's from 2004. If you read the discussion surrounding that post, you'll find a bunch of people making the exact same criticisms of Barry that are made here. Excerpt: One doesn't have to be a rocket scientist to recognize you as the 'know it all' egotist when you get criticized. You're a classic example; far from anything akin to what anyone would consider a person of spiritual integrity, in either the absolute or relative sense. Your blatantly obvious defensive ego trip betrays any pretense you might have in that regard. I doubt however, that your ego will allow your intellect to even consider the possibility. Barry wrote: Fascinating article from The Atlantic: http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2013/11/all-bullies-are-narcissists/281407/ http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2013/11/all-bullies-are-narcissists/281407/ Read through it and see if it doesn't remind you of the Mean Girl behavior we've seen on this forum, especially the credo of the MGC's founder: I am a winner because you are a loser.
RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: All Bullies Are Narcissists
Gee, Share, I thought it would be obvious. It's not just Barry's fantasy Mean Girls Club on FFL that has found his online behavior to be, shall we say, wanting. And I could go back many years before 2004 to find similar instances of folks having called him on it. As you say, it's not rocket science--at least for most folks--to see Barry for what he is. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Judy, what do you hope to accomplish by quoting something negative about turq from the other forum? On Saturday, November 16, 2013 11:40 AM, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: By definition cyber bullying (minors) and harassment (adults) are ongoing and relentless. From this perspective, what falls into this category? One incident of verbal abuse? Or many instances of repeating that incident? As well as many instances of other verbal attacks? It's not rocket science. On Saturday, November 16, 2013 9:06 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: What's fascinating is the EXTRAORDINARY hypocrisy of Barry accusing anybody else of bullying. Once you've viciously attacked someone in a post headed SHUT THE FUCK UP, you've pretty much announced that you've permanently given up your last shred of credibility as a critic of bullies. And BTW, I never said what Barry quotes me as saying below. He made that up out of whole cloth. That's what losers have to do when they don't have a case. Doesn't make anyone else a winner; it only confirms that one is a loser. Plus, just a reminder: The Mean Girls Club doesn't exist except in Barry's fantasies about his critics. Oh, and one last thing: Yesterday Richard cited an alt.m.t post of Barry's from 2004. If you read the discussion surrounding that post, you'll find a bunch of people making the exact same criticisms of Barry that are made here. Excerpt: One doesn't have to be a rocket scientist to recognize you as the 'know it all' egotist when you get criticized. You're a classic example; far from anything akin to what anyone would consider a person of spiritual integrity, in either the absolute or relative sense. Your blatantly obvious defensive ego trip betrays any pretense you might have in that regard. I doubt however, that your ego will allow your intellect to even consider the possibility. Barry wrote: Fascinating article from The Atlantic: http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2013/11/all-bullies-are-narcissists/281407/ http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2013/11/all-bullies-are-narcissists/281407/ Read through it and see if it doesn't remind you of the Mean Girl behavior we've seen on this forum, especially the credo of the MGC's founder: I am a winner because you are a loser.
[FairfieldLife] RE: what#39;s unchanging about change is that it#39;s always changing
If you are horrified by your own post count, than why should we return to posting limits? Take a little responsibility Share. Do you think that removing the posting limits is why Ravi, Obba and Steve made the decision to spend their time differently? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: I think it was Thursday night that I was horrified by my post count. I actually thought maybe we should return to limited posting. And then I thought that some more. But only because I thought it might bring some former posters back. Like Ravi and Obbajee and Steve, etc. Unlimited posting and Neo have delivered a one two punch to FFL. Even if it's not down for the count, it's definitely changed forever. I miss all those former posters. Sure, some more than others. But I feel nostalgic for them all, for the good old days. Jeez! Anyway, it's still dark outside and I can only hear the rain. Rain on fallen leaves makes its very own sound.
[FairfieldLife] RE: Lion hunting - not just for the macho types
Instinct gone wrong. Very sad. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote: It's amazing how quickly societal attitudes change. It's not that long ago that Ernest Hemingway liked having his photo taken posing proudly next to lions he'd hunted and killed. Today the same sport(?) elicits howls of outrage. (By the way: myself, I wouldn't find any pleasure at all in killing such wonderful creatures.) http://tinyurl.com/nuymrja http://tinyurl.com/nuymrja
[FairfieldLife] RE: The Man without a Head
Thanks so much for this s3. I enjoyed it immensely. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote: Ten-minute YouTube clip in which English eccentric Douglas Harding insists you are not what you look like. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcDMJvO6aHU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcDMJvO6aHU
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Troll FAQ
Motivation Attention-seeking: The troll seeks to dominate the thread by inciting anger, and effectively hijacking the topic at hand. Cry for help: An indication of disturbing situations regarding family, relationships, substances, and schools. Effect change: Stating extreme positions to make his or her actual beliefs seem moderate. Blatancy: A blatant violation of forum guidelines in order to see whether any action is taken by the forum administrator. Amusement: To some people, the thought of a 60-year-old Internet user being sent a sexually explicit or gross post is funny. Time Wasters: One of the greatest themes in trolling is the idea that you can spend one minute of your time posting a troll, causing 10 other people to waste ten minutes of their time, affecting lots of other people. Satire: In these cases, the individuals do not think of themselves as trolls, but misunderstood humorists or political commentators. Self-promotion: Attempting to discredit the Maharishi so you can drive new recruits to your own cult. On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 10:51 PM, s3raph...@yahoo.com wrote: Re A TROLL a person who sends duplicitous messages to get angry responses.: Perhaps we need a name for the opposite character. A WUSS - or maybe A WIMP - someone who posts ad hominem attacks to shut down an insightful but controversial position that is generating controversy precisely because it has successfully challenged entrenched opinions.
[FairfieldLife] RE: Transcendental Meditation Revolutionary Mission:
Aufklärung –Clearing Up. There is no thing as “enlightenment” - as that term is used here o FFL. There has never been “enlightenment” - whether discovered, realized or attained. That includes immediate insights or gradual understandings. There was only Aufklärung – Clearing Up. Enlightenment? There never was and never will be such a thing - except as the title for a cultural movement in British history. This term was used as a title for an 18th century European cultural era, which in English was called “The Enlightenment” but originally in German was titled Zeitalter der Aufklärung - the Age of Clearing Up. In the past 50 years, the term “enlightenment” became a silly Neo-Hindu neologism (i.e. post-Vivekananda). Now-a-days, Buddhists also love to use this as a synonym for Japanese Zen “kensho” or “satori” – mostly by euro-american buddhist writers. Pt … don’t tell anyone ... but any object, state or condition that has a beginning also has an end – by definition. “Experience”, also by definition, is a temporary appearance to a “perceiver”. Any experience of “enlightenment” is likewise just a transient occurrence that is judged (after the “fact”) to be “oh-so-significant”. Such “enlightenment” is utter make-believe. It is a false interpretation - both of Shankara’s Advaita, of Buddhist Mahamudra and Dzogchen. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote: That's a great question, Richard: for whom is one seeking enlightenment? I never met anyone who wasn't seeking enlightenment for him/herself. That's the absurdity that the Zen people tried to expose. Nisargadatta Maharaj - a genuine realised master - always said that those who came to hear him would leave disappointed when they saw there was nothing in it for themselves. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: That's a great question, Richard: for whom is one seeking enlightenment? And I think it changes over time. Hopefully! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote: This is a very weak defense of your beliefs. As a Buddhist you should already know that the Buddha's rationale for teaching hinged on the fact that he became enlightened - and the nature of his enlightenment. According to the Buddha himself, at the moment he became enlightened he saw all his previous lives and all his future lives and the pain and suffering he had already endured for eons and the pain and suffering he was to endure in the future. And, he saw in one fell swoop all the suffering that all humans will endure, past and present and future. At that moment he realized the truth of suffering (samsara), action (karma) and rebirth (reincarnation) and how to end suffering following an Eightfold Path. The Buddha at that moment realized that everything happens for a reason; because of this, that occurs. Just like in a game of billiards depends on cause and effect and gravity sucks. It's not complicated. So, we know that causation rules the physical world, but is there a moral reciprocity as well? It's always best to err on the side of caution. That's why Buddhists are supposed to be compassionate and to do no harm. You left out the reason why you were seeking the spiritual life! Is it for you own gain or for the benefit of others? That's the real question. . And what was the On 11/13/2013 1:17 PM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: If you had a flashback that convinced you you were Jack the Ripper in a previous life should you hand yourself in to the police? Could you count on the statute of limitations getting you off the hook? Could you claim in mitigation that you weren't yourself when you committed the murders? I'm going to comment on this, and leave the musings below to others. No offense, but the above stuff is way funny, and creative, and that tickles my funny bone. But -- having kinda been there done that with this experience -- theorizing about it doesn't really float my boat. I'm like that with many of my most interesting spiritual experiences. I was there. I experienced these things, some of them that fall into the Blade Runner I've seen things you people wouldn't believe category. But I can't tell you definitively what they were. Heck, I'm still trying to figure many of them out myself. Maybe it's a Buddhist thang. They were never all that interested in the why things are happening, only in *that* they are happening, and how to make the best of that. I'm kinda drawn that way myself. No one picked up on my alternative suggestion that memories of previous lives could be explained not by any one individual going through a serial succession of different life stories but rather could be explained as someone accessing our common, racial memory. By what mechanism? 1) Occultists talk about shells of
[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: Holy Hell: A Memoir of Faith, Devotion, and Pure Madness
Holy Hell is a totally valuable book, because how often do we get an insider view from someone who was actually the personal assistant of such a big-name guru, and for two long decades? So often these gurus are two-faced hypocrites, presenting a smiling, benevolent persona to the general public, then changing into their true colors in private behind closed doors. People like Sathya Sai Baba (much of my two decades inside Indian ashrams were spent at his ashram in Puttaparthi) and Mata Amritanandamayi no doubt inspire their devotees through their idealistic teachings, but part of that inspiration always lines the guru's pockets with more wealth. The fact is, as revealed in Gail's book and backed by a number of others who were close to the 'Hugging Amma', Amritanandamayi is violent with uncontrollable anger and harshly beats her attendants, she has sex with some of her top Swamis (who control the finances of the ashram empire - and who are also rapists), she orders murders of various people who come in her way - including her own brother (several police cases were halted by the powerful ashram authorities), she has made her family members multimillionaires (and then goes on record to say she gave them nothing and it is all due to the success of their local fishing business!). So many details backing Gail's experiences in her book, are available online - including financial reports that show less than 10% of donations help the poor. So many parallels between these reports and what I personally experienced in sai baba's ashram! They are greedy rotten apples, preying on our naive devotion. :-(
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Yaqui Vastu
What you have to do is select a site that has most of the needed elements already at hand. That way, you don't have to dig into the earth very much - you just pick the ideal stones and carry them to the site. Ideally it should be no more than 10,000 feet to transport the stones. There should be a minimum of shaping the stones, they should be selected based on the positioning of the stones. Remember, it's all about positioning and placement. The tricky part is to try not to disturb nature any more than you have to. According to Yaqui Vastu, you should employ the minimum exertion in order to obtain a maximum benefit. Now, for the cedar posts: you should select a site that has an abundance of cedar trees. Keep in mind that only certain branches of the tree will be used, so as to minimize stress during the pruning process. The really tricky part of the Yaqui Vastu is the cement or the plaster used to hold things together. More on this later. As for sustainability, here is an example of a Yaqui Vastu structure from circa 1760: [image: Inline image 1] San Jose Mission, San Antonio, Texas Note on edifice architecture: In the traditional Indian view, a building, if it is properly conceived, satisfies both a physical and metaphysical indigence. It has a twofold function: it provides 'commodity, firmness, and delight' so as to serve man's psychosomatic, emotional and aesthetic needs, and also supra-empirical principles. In this view an adequately designed building will embody meaning. It will express the manner in which the phenomenal world relates to the Real and how the One 'fragments' into multiplicity; it will carry intimations of the non-duality (adwaita) of the sensible and the supra-sensible domains. On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 10:44 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote: Richard, I love that Yaqui Vastu principle of building with non stressed materials. But I have to wonder how sustainable that is. I mean, are there enough stones lying around? I wonder if straw bales would be acceptable. And before, you had mentioned cedar. But wouldn't cedar have to be transported? I admit the principle is wonderful but it seems extreme measures would be needed to realize it. What do you think? On Friday, November 15, 2013 9:29 PM, Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: The Sanskrit word 'vastu' means a dwelling or house with a corresponding plot of land. The word pertains to construction. Vastu is based in five elements: earth, air, fire, water, and space, all interrelated. Yaqui Vastu involves the awareness of how the ways of construction, orientation, and placement affect our environment and thus our own daily activities and relations. [image: Inline image 1] Wall detail, Mission San José y San Miguel de Aguayo: http://www.nps.gov/saan/planyourvisit/sanjose.htm Following up on the Yaqui Vastu principle of 'non-stressing', we should make a note on the nature of the materials vis a vis the stress factor. It should be obvious that the ideal material for a Yaqui Vastu dwelling would be natural stone. Not stressed stone made by quarry or dressing, but found stones that lay on top of the land. These stones would ideally be found locally (within 10,000 feet of the building site) so as to avoid the stress of transportation whether by truck or rail. Yaqui Vastu can be defined as The skillful use of the best available materials and knowledge in order to create the most suitable conditions for living and working. On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 5:25 PM, jr_...@yahoo.com wrote: Richard, If those houses are not facing east or north, they may not be good for the residents according to MMY's principles of vastu. It's also a good idea to have an atrium in the middle of the house. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote: By 6,000 B.C.E. the art of geomacy resulted in the megalith and mound culture of Europe and South India. By 4,000 B.C.E. we see communities emerge, of which the Indus Valley Civilization, with it's planned city streets, being a prime example. In the Fertile Crescent the city states of Mesopotamia arose. Example of Yaqui Vastu House in San Antonio: [image: Inline image 1] Spanish style house at Brenda Gallery: [image: Inline image 2] Spanish Style House: [image: Inline image 3] The Spanish Colonial Revival Style is a United States architectural stylistic movement arising in the early 20th century based on the Spanish Colonial architecture of the Spanish colonization of the Americas. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Colonial_Revival_architecture On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 2:15 PM, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Richard, I really like feng shui and knew that it meant wind and water. But I didn't know the other details about that. And I never knew about the role of fire in geomancy. Very fascinating knowledge. Of course the Zone of Tranquility reminds me of the brahmanstan in vastu vidya. On
[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: The Man without a Head
Yes, I did too. I liked: Thank God I'm not like that here; Nearer to you than all else is the origin of the world; and his last quote from the Qu'ran..Man is like a mirage in the desert. When you go up to him, you lose him, and where you thought there was a man, there you find God. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Thanks so much for this s3. I enjoyed it immensely. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote: Ten-minute YouTube clip in which English eccentric Douglas Harding insists you are not what you look like. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcDMJvO6aHU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcDMJvO6aHU
[FairfieldLife] Re: 100 Greatest Artists of Hard Rock
Cream [image: Inline image 1] Cream Live in the Royal Albert Hall Part 1: http://youtu.be/nIKfECOE7GI [image: Inline image 2] Along with the Beatles, they gave those of us entering the business at that time something to aspire to that wasn't pop but was still popular. Rolling Stone List of 100 Greatest Artists of All Time: http://www.rollingstone.com/music/lists/100-greatest-artists-of-all-time-19691231/cream-20110420 Cream are widely regarded as being the world's first successful supergroup. Cream: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cream_%28band%29 On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 7:39 PM, Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.comwrote: One of the greatest rock bands of all time. Number 57 on VH1's 100 Greatest Artists of Hard Rock. Heart, Canada performed at the first Texxas Jam on July 4 weekend in 1978 in Dallas, Texas, at the Cotton Bowl in front of 100,000 people, along with Aerosmith, Van Halen, Ted Nugent, Journey, Frank Marino, Atlanta Rhythm Section, Head East, and Walter Egan. Heart - Crazy On You (live 1977) HQ http://youtu.be/V44HiAX91Hs [image: Inline image 3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heart_(band)
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Minion Koan
You're working on Saturday? Go figure. On 11/16/2013 11:10 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: Let me just put it this way, Share. I think your actual motivations for the way you respond to people are quite different from what you claim. I think most of your behavior on FFL is carefully tailored to attempt to make people think highly of you. The problem is that when your control slips, you show a completely different face. That's all I'll say for now, except to note that the quality in people I value most highly is authenticity, and the quality I most despise is lack of same. An inauthentic pose of virtue, as far as I'm concerned, is far more reprehensible than an authentic, let-it-all-hang-out display of vice. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Judy, a way more interesting question imho is why do you even care what I think turq thinks. Should I even feed your strange interest by answering you? What the heck: I doubt turq thinks about me much. Probably he hasn't changed his mind. But so what? See, I think in your mind that means I should be mean to him and not say thanks for a post I like, etc. But for me it's important to tell people when I like their posts. It's also important for me to disagree with people who are ganging up on someone. I'm sure there's a karmic reason but I don't need to figure it out for now. It feels right when I do both and that's why I do them. On Saturday, November 16, 2013 9:26 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: Say, Share, another question I asked you yesterday that you didn't respond to: Do you think Barry has changed his mind about you since his SHUT THE FUCK UP post? Share fawned: 7 posts this morning! This is one of the qualities I like about turq, his generosity, and that his posts are often about fascinating stuff. That's all I got for now (-: On Saturday, November 16, 2013 5:42 AM, TurquoiseB turquoiseb@... wrote: How many minions does it take to change a light bulb? Or into one?
[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: Holy Hell: A Memoir of Faith, Devotion, and Pure Madness
Hi thank you Eileen for your comments. I had a chance to read your journey and experiences at Sai Baba's ashram online and they were very interesting. Thank you for taking such a courageous stand against the pedophile Sai Baba. Interestingly some like Rick Archer talk against Maharishi and Sai Baba and give an absolute free pass to Amma. Gotta protect the current cult you are in :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, eileenweed@... wrote: Holy Hell is a totally valuable book, because how often do we get an insider view from someone who was actually the personal assistant of such a big-name guru, and for two long decades? So often these gurus are two-faced hypocrites, presenting a smiling, benevolent persona to the general public, then changing into their true colors in private behind closed doors. People like Sathya Sai Baba (much of my two decades inside Indian ashrams were spent at his ashram in Puttaparthi) and Mata Amritanandamayi no doubt inspire their devotees through their idealistic teachings, but part of that inspiration always lines the guru's pockets with more wealth. The fact is, as revealed in Gail's book and backed by a number of others who were close to the 'Hugging Amma', Amritanandamayi is violent with uncontrollable anger and harshly beats her attendants, she has sex with some of her top Swamis (who control the finances of the ashram empire - and who are also rapists), she orders murders of various people who come in her way - including her own brother (several police cases were halted by the powerful ashram authorities), she has made her family members multimillionaires (and then goes on record to say she gave them nothing and it is all due to the success of their local fishing business!). So many details backing Gail's experiences in her book, are available online - including financial reports that show less than 10% of donations help the poor. So many parallels between these reports and what I personally experienced in sai baba's ashram! They are greedy rotten apples, preying on our naive devotion. :-(
[FairfieldLife] A Minoan Koan
In 1618 B.C. when bare-breasted Minoan women regularly front-somersaulted over charging bull's horns, the guy in the stadium stands said Wow, those are some steep peaks. All his buddies agreed. Yep, those are an amazing sight. Then he further asked ... Is this why we are born to suffer and die? All his buddies agreed ... Yep, that's why. This is reputed to cause the end of Neolithic hunter-gather societies and the genesis of European civilization.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: Holy Hell: A Memoir of Faith, Devotion, and Pure Madness
ha! Emily at least I know Rick in person. Do you know indifferent in person? Or Gail Tredwell? smile? On Saturday, November 16, 2013 3:07 PM, emilymae...@yahoo.com emilymae...@yahoo.com wrote: Well, if this is the case, than clearly Rick is *not* impervious to self-delusion as Share states. That's quite the pedestal she's got him on. Smile. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Right Rick's opinions are very objective. FYI Regardless of the disinterested persona he projects and manages to sell to people and his other work elsewhere, Rick and his wife are entrenched in this cult, much valued members of this cult. Your opinions are not surprising, Cult 101, cultists rely on each other to perpetuate their delusional beliefs. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: dear not really indifferent, much of my thinking about this topic is based on knowing Rick in person. I think he's quite intelligent and impervious to self delusion so I choose to trust his input. About Amma and Gail I will never know the *facts* via my own direct observations so I rely on the observations of others I have found trustworthy. All the while knowing that I might be wrong. That's the thing I think. At any moment we might be wrong. All we can do is our best in any moment. If we're wrong, life will straighten us out one way or the other. I can live with that. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: This is an extremely cultish, delusional thinking. Here's an interview of Gail Tredwell on this book - open in Google Chrome for English translation http://spuren.ch/content/magazin/single-ansicht-nachrichten/datumamma-die-kehrseite-einer-heiligen.html ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: To be that close to Amma for that long is bound to bring up the biggest, fattest stresses, karma from many, many lifetimes. May she somehow find peace when all is said and done. On Thursday, November 14, 2013 2:49 PM, merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: 'Amma's shadow'Gail Tredwell last video :River of Love ◦ Mata Amritanandamayi could be shot just few months before she left the ashram-? Should be at 46m28s - http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpagev=dz6bFeYUNCU#t=2789 http://youtu.be/dz6bFeYUNCU?t=46m28s - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dz6bFeYUNCUfeature=youtu.bet=46m28s The 2011-12 foreign contribution report (from 4/1/2011 through 3/31/2012 and 2010-2011) for the Mata Amritanandamayi Math is up now on the FCRA website: http://fcraonline.nic.in/fc3_verify.aspx?RCN=052930183Rby=2011-2012 http://fcraonline.nic.in/fc3_verify.aspx?RCN=052930183Rby=2010-2011 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote: Pages to read: http://ammascandal.wordpress.com/category/amma-lies/ http://ammascandal.wordpress.com/category/amma-scandal/ From:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Share Long Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 5:43 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Re: Holy Hell: A Memoir of Faith, Devotion, and Pure Madness I've been to Amma's gatherings a few times and liked getting hugged, liked the bhajans and the feeling of being at a market in India. I also liked that it was so different than TM gatherings which are drier and more knowledge based. Also it was interesting to see the Western devotees garbed in Indian clothing and living a more obviously ashram lifestyle. A former boyfriend left Purusha and ended up buying a condo at Amma's ashram in India and I got some insights from him about that particular path. Bottom line, we live in interesting times but maybe everybody in every era thinks that! On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 10:52 PM, emilymaenot@... emilymaenot@... wrote: I only spent 3 days and just one time (although it was enough for me to spend hours on the internet to reconcile my reality and that of my children's with the experience and the experience of the family I went with and to feel compelled to write up my story for a post in the process). I think Rick or Ravi or maybe Share? could take you up on this, but I don't want to start any drama. It is a good story and it represents 20 years of her life and I respect it and her fully. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote: Hmmm, I would be interested to compare the experience of those who had been around Amma with what the author is going to reveal in her book. I would also like to know if what the author says resonates in any way or form with what someone who approaches Amma openly and sincerely would have to say about their experience with/of her. Everyone is different and their filtering/perception mechanism is different from those possessed by others. I would love to know how I would feel in her
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: Holy Hell: A Memoir of Faith, Devotion, and Pure Madness
It all boils down to Indian morality which is not what westerners think it is nor comes anything close to western morality and things we would not tolerate. It's very funky to say the least. On 11/16/2013 01:00 PM, indifferent_netizen wrote: Hi thank you Eileen for your comments. I had a chance to read your journey and experiences at Sai Baba's ashram online and they were very interesting. Thank you for taking such a courageous stand against the pedophile Sai Baba. Interestingly some like Rick Archer talk against Maharishi and Sai Baba and give an absolute free pass to Amma. Gotta protect the current cult you are in :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, eileenweed@... wrote: Holy Hell is a totally valuable book, because how often do we get an insider view from someone who was actually the personal assistant of such a big-name guru, and for two long decades? So often these gurus are two-faced hypocrites, presenting a smiling, benevolent persona to the general public, then changing into their true colors in private behind closed doors. People like Sathya Sai Baba (much of my two decades inside Indian ashrams were spent at his ashram in Puttaparthi) and Mata Amritanandamayi no doubt inspire their devotees through their idealistic teachings, but part of that inspiration always lines the guru's pockets with more wealth. The fact is, as revealed in Gail's book and backed by a number of others who were close to the 'Hugging Amma', Amritanandamayi is violent with uncontrollable anger and harshly beats her attendants, she has sex with some of her top Swamis (who control the finances of the ashram empire - and who are also rapists), she orders murders of various people who come in her way - including her own brother (several police cases were halted by the powerful ashram authorities), she has made her family members multimillionaires (and then goes on record to say she gave them nothing and it is all due to the success of their local fishing business!). So many details backing Gail's experiences in her book, are available online - including financial reports that show less than 10% of donations help the poor. So many parallels between these reports and what I personally experienced in sai baba's ashram! They are greedy rotten apples, preying on our naive devotion. :-(
Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: All Bullies Are Narcissists
So Judy, it sounds like your answer to my question is that you want people to see Barry for what you think he is. Realistically speaking, how would you know that you have accomplished that? On Saturday, November 16, 2013 11:52 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: Gee, Share, I thought it would be obvious. It's not just Barry's fantasy Mean Girls Club on FFL that has found his online behavior to be, shall we say, wanting. And I could go back many years before 2004 to find similar instances of folks having called him on it. As you say, it's not rocket science--at least for most folks--to see Barry for what he is. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Judy, what do you hope to accomplish by quoting something negative about turq from the other forum? On Saturday, November 16, 2013 11:40 AM, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: By definition cyber bullying (minors) and harassment (adults) are ongoing and relentless. From this perspective, what falls into this category? One incident of verbal abuse? Or many instances of repeating that incident? As well as many instances of other verbal attacks? It's not rocket science. On Saturday, November 16, 2013 9:06 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: What's fascinating is the EXTRAORDINARY hypocrisy of Barry accusing anybody else of bullying. Once you've viciously attacked someone in a post headed SHUT THE FUCK UP, you've pretty much announced that you've permanently given up your last shred of credibility as a critic of bullies. And BTW, I never said what Barry quotes me as saying below. He made that up out of whole cloth. That's what losers have to do when they don't have a case. Doesn't make anyone else a winner; it only confirms that one is a loser. Plus, just a reminder: The Mean Girls Club doesn't exist except in Barry's fantasies about his critics. Oh, and one last thing: Yesterday Richard cited an alt.m.t post of Barry's from 2004. If you read the discussion surrounding that post, you'll find a bunch of people making the exact same criticisms of Barry that are made here. Excerpt: One doesn't have to be a rocket scientist to recognize you as the 'know it all' egotist when you get criticized. You're a classic example; far from anything akin to what anyone would consider a person of spiritual integrity, in either the absolute or relative sense. Your blatantly obvious defensive ego trip betrays any pretense you might have in that regard. I doubt however, that your ego will allow your intellect to even consider the possibility. Barry wrote: Fascinating article from The Atlantic: http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2013/11/all-bullies-are-narcissists/281407/ Read through it and see if it doesn't remind you of the Mean Girl behavior we've seen on this forum, especially the credo of the MGC's founder: I am a winner because you are a loser.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: Holy Hell: A Memoir of Faith, Devotion, and Pure Madness
Wow, your indifference is overwhelming! On Saturday, November 16, 2013 3:39 PM, indifferent_netizen no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: I think Rick, Share and Buck all live in Fairfield no? Very fascinating this, Old country, mid-western white people rooting for some fat, ugly, stupid, manipulative Indian bitch. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote: Well, if this is the case, than clearly Rick is *not* impervious to self-delusion as Share states. That's quite the pedestal she's got him on. Smile. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Right Rick's opinions are very objective. FYI Regardless of the disinterested persona he projects and manages to sell to people and his other work elsewhere, Rick and his wife are entrenched in this cult, much valued members of this cult. Your opinions are not surprising, Cult 101, cultists rely on each other to perpetuate their delusional beliefs. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: dear not really indifferent, much of my thinking about this topic is based on knowing Rick in person. I think he's quite intelligent and impervious to self delusion so I choose to trust his input. About Amma and Gail I will never know the *facts* via my own direct observations so I rely on the observations of others I have found trustworthy. All the while knowing that I might be wrong. That's the thing I think. At any moment we might be wrong. All we can do is our best in any moment. If we're wrong, life will straighten us out one way or the other. I can live with that. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: This is an extremely cultish, delusional thinking. Here's an interview of Gail Tredwell on this book - open in Google Chrome for English translation http://spuren.ch/content/magazin/single-ansicht-nachrichten/datumamma-die-kehrseite-einer-heiligen.html ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: To be that close to Amma for that long is bound to bring up the biggest, fattest stresses, karma from many, many lifetimes. May she somehow find peace when all is said and done. On Thursday, November 14, 2013 2:49 PM, merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: 'Amma's shadow'Gail Tredwell last video :River of Love ◦ Mata Amritanandamayi could be shot just few months before she left the ashram-? Should be at 46m28s - http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpagev=dz6bFeYUNCU#t=2789 http://youtu.be/dz6bFeYUNCU?t=46m28s - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dz6bFeYUNCUfeature=youtu.bet=46m28s The 2011-12 foreign contribution report (from 4/1/2011 through 3/31/2012 and 2010-2011) for the Mata Amritanandamayi Math is up now on the FCRA website: http://fcraonline.nic.in/fc3_verify.aspx?RCN=052930183Rby=2011-2012 http://fcraonline.nic.in/fc3_verify.aspx?RCN=052930183Rby=2010-2011 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote: Pages to read: http://ammascandal.wordpress.com/category/amma-lies/ http://ammascandal.wordpress.com/category/amma-scandal/ From:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Share Long Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 5:43 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Re: Holy Hell: A Memoir of Faith, Devotion, and Pure Madness I've been to Amma's gatherings a few times and liked getting hugged, liked the bhajans and the feeling of being at a market in India. I also liked that it was so different than TM gatherings which are drier and more knowledge based. Also it was interesting to see the Western devotees garbed in Indian clothing and living a more obviously ashram lifestyle. A former boyfriend left Purusha and ended up buying a condo at Amma's ashram in India and I got some insights from him about that particular path. Bottom line, we live in interesting times but maybe everybody in every era thinks that! On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 10:52 PM, emilymaenot@... emilymaenot@... wrote: I only spent 3 days and just one time (although it was enough for me to spend hours on the internet to reconcile my reality and that of my children's with the experience and the experience of the family I went with and to feel compelled to write up my story for a post in the process). I think Rick or Ravi or maybe Share? could take you up on this, but I don't want to start any drama. It is a good story and it represents 20 years of her life and I respect it and her fully. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote: Hmmm, I would be interested to compare the experience of those who had been around Amma with what the author is going to reveal in her book. I would also like to know if what the author says resonates in any way or form with what someone who approaches Amma openly and sincerely would have to say about
Re: RE: Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Minion Koan
That's great Judy. But parents aren't the only sources of stress and trauma in childhood. On Saturday, November 16, 2013 11:47 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: P.S.: You're quite right about my childhood, albeit not in the way you hope. I had a happy, stress-free childhood with two parents who loved me deeply and steadfastly. They passed on their own devotion to authenticity and loathing of phoniness to me. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: (snicker) Thanks for proving my point, Share. You're so dependable in that regard. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Judy, imo your self righteousness with regards to authenticity is itself proof of over compensation. Your alleged devotion to authenticity and your opinions of me also imo are both results of your childhood. And that's all I'm going to say. On Saturday, November 16, 2013 11:10 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: Let me just put it this way, Share. I think your actual motivations for the way you respond to people are quite different from what you claim. I think most of your behavior on FFL is carefully tailored to attempt to make people think highly of you. The problem is that when your control slips, you show a completely different face. That's all I'll say for now, except to note that the quality in people I value most highly is authenticity, and the quality I most despise is lack of same. An inauthentic pose of virtue, as far as I'm concerned, is far more reprehensible than an authentic, let-it-all-hang-out display of vice. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Judy, a way more interesting question imho is why do you even care what I think turq thinks. Should I even feed your strange interest by answering you? What the heck: I doubt turq thinks about me much. Probably he hasn't changed his mind. But so what? See, I think in your mind that means I should be mean to him and not say thanks for a post I like, etc. But for me it's important to tell people when I like their posts. It's also important for me to disagree with people who are ganging up on someone. I'm sure there's a karmic reason but I don't need to figure it out for now. It feels right when I do both and that's why I do them. On Saturday, November 16, 2013 9:26 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: Say, Share, another question I asked you yesterday that you didn't respond to: Do you think Barry has changed his mind about you since his SHUT THE FUCK UP post? Share fawned: 7 posts this morning! This is one of the qualities I like about turq, his generosity, and that his posts are often about fascinating stuff. That's all I got for now (-: On Saturday, November 16, 2013 5:42 AM, TurquoiseB turquoiseb@... wrote: How many minions does it take to change a light bulb? Or into one?
[FairfieldLife] George Lucas on TM
George Lucas http://transcendentemeditatie.be/george-lucas/attachment/lucas George Lucas learned the Transcendent Meditation technique more than 40 years ago, and there are numerous rumors on the internet that with his concept of “The Force” in his Star Wars films he was inspired by Maharishi’s “Science of Creative Intelligence”, the more theoretical background behind the Transcendental Meditation technique (also here explained more in contact with our higher selves in contact with our “higher self”). George Lucas has recently given his full support to the initiatives of the David Lynch Foundation. A video was recently published on the website of his Edutopia project (the George Lucas Educational Foundation) about the exceptional success of Transcendental Meditation (Quiet Time) in a school in San Francisco see TM Edutopia Video http://edutopia.org/stw-student-stress-meditation-overview-video. The main editor of Edutopia, after his visit to a school in San Francisco where TM was practiced, said: “Every once in a while, when visiting a successful school, you see something that makes your jaw drop, something so extraordinary, you have to stop and make sure what you saw is actually what it appears to be.” What people are saying Hugh Jackman http://transcendental-meditation.be/hugh-jackman/ Oprah Winfrey http://transcendental-meditation.be/oprah-winfrey/ David Lynch http://transcendental-meditation.be/david-lynch-true-happiness-lies-within/ Paul McCartney http://transcendental-meditation.be/paul-mccartney/ Clint Eastwood http://transcendental-meditation.be/clint-eastwood/ William Hague http://transcendental-meditation.be/william-hague/ Katy Perry http://transcendental-meditation.be/katy-perry-2/ George Lucas http://transcendental-meditation.be/george-lucas/ Jerry Seinfeld http://transcendental-meditation.be/jerry-seinfeld/ Moby http://transcendental-meditation.be/moby/ Russell Brand http://transcendental-meditation.be/russell-brand/ Gwyneth Paltrow http://transcendental-meditation.be/gwyneth-paltrow/ Martin Scorcese http://transcendental-meditation.be/martin-scorcese/ Ellen Degeneres http://transcendental-meditation.be/ellen-degeneres/ Rupert Murdoch http://transcendental-meditation.be/even-rupert-murdoch-studies-tm/ Dr. Oz http://transcendental-meditation.be/dr-oz-transcendental-meditation-works/ Dilma Rousseff http://transcendental-meditation.be/dilma-rousseff/ Liv Tyler http://transcendental-meditation.be/liv-tyler/ Raquel Zimmerman http://transcendental-meditation.be/top-model-raquel-zimmerman-on-her-tm-practice/ Sheryl Crow http://transcendental-meditation.be/sheryl-crow/
[FairfieldLife] Paul McCartney: TM is a lifelong gift
Home http://transcendental-meditation.be/ •What is TM? http://transcendental-meditation.be/what-is-transcendental-meditation/ •References http://transcendental-meditation.be/references-for-the-transcendental-meditation-technique/ •FAQ http://transcendental-meditation.be/frequently-asked-questions/ •How do I learn? http://transcendental-meditation.be/learning-tm/ •Where do I learn http://transcendental-meditation.be/where-can-i-learn-tm/ •News http://transcendental-meditation.be/category/news/ •Contact http://transcendental-meditation.be/contact/ • EN http://transcendental-meditation.be/paul-mccartney/ • NL http://nl.transcendental-meditation.be/ • FR http://fr.transcendental-meditation.be/ http://transcendental-meditation.be/ http://transcendental-meditation.be/paul-mccartney/# Paul McCartney: TM is a lifelong gift http://transcendental-meditation.be/paul-mccartney/ The Beatles will always remain the most famous TM practitioners of all time, and after 45 years they still support it. During the press conference for the benefit concert for the David Lynch Foundation, where McCartney and Ringo Starr, for the first time in a long time, stood together on stage, Paul said that “It was a great gift that Maharishi has given us. It came during a period at the end of the 60s when we were looking for something that could bring us more stability and it was a lifelong gift. It’s something you can call on at any time.” In a later interview with David Lynch, Paul McCartney explained why exactly he was supporting the David Lynch Foundation: “The kids love it, Kids in Brazil love it, Kids in the West Bank love it…I think this is what people need, they don’t need high minded talk, as much as results”
[FairfieldLife] Clint Eastwood: already 40 years practicing TM
Clint Eastwood: already 40 years practicing TM http://transcendental-meditation.be/clint-eastwood/ http://transcendentemeditatie.be/beroemde-tm-beoefenaars-2/clint-eastwood/attachment/clint-eastwood-video-postThe famous actor, producer, componist and film maker Clint Eastwood is already 40 years very faithfull in his daily practice of the Transcendent Meditation technique. His apparently unlimited energy and creativity, even in his old age, still gives him regular oscar nominations,so it is an example of what TM can do for a long-term practitioner. He spoke about the technique during a recorded video message for the launch of the David Lynch Foundation “Operation Warrior Wellness” a nationwide initiative to teach TM to ten thousand war veterans suffering of Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. (see PTSD http://transcendental-meditation.be/ptsd)
[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: Holy Hell: A Memoir of Faith, Devotion, and Pure Madness
indifferent_netizen, I don't recall having seen you or Eileen on FFL before. Are you here only to publicize Tredwell's book and counter criticisms of it? I don't have a dog in the pro/anti-Amma fight. I'm just curious, wondering if your presence on FFL is sort of the other side of what's been portrayed as an effort by the pro-Amma folks to discredit Tredwell and her book. You seem pretty anxious to discredit anyone here who takes a pro-Amma stance. You may not be doing your cause much good by insulting them, if I may say so. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Hi thank you Eileen for your comments. I had a chance to read your journey and experiences at Sai Baba's ashram online and they were very interesting. Thank you for taking such a courageous stand against the pedophile Sai Baba. Interestingly some like Rick Archer talk against Maharishi and Sai Baba and give an absolute free pass to Amma. Gotta protect the current cult you are in :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, eileenweed@... wrote: Holy Hell is a totally valuable book, because how often do we get an insider view from someone who was actually the personal assistant of such a big-name guru, and for two long decades? So often these gurus are two-faced hypocrites, presenting a smiling, benevolent persona to the general public, then changing into their true colors in private behind closed doors. People like Sathya Sai Baba (much of my two decades inside Indian ashrams were spent at his ashram in Puttaparthi) and Mata Amritanandamayi no doubt inspire their devotees through their idealistic teachings, but part of that inspiration always lines the guru's pockets with more wealth. The fact is, as revealed in Gail's book and backed by a number of others who were close to the 'Hugging Amma', Amritanandamayi is violent with uncontrollable anger and harshly beats her attendants, she has sex with some of her top Swamis (who control the finances of the ashram empire - and who are also rapists), she orders murders of various people who come in her way - including her own brother (several police cases were halted by the powerful ashram authorities), she has made her family members multimillionaires (and then goes on record to say she gave them nothing and it is all due to the success of their local fishing business!). So many details backing Gail's experiences in her book, are available online - including financial reports that show less than 10% of donations help the poor. So many parallels between these reports and what I personally experienced in sai baba's ashram! They are greedy rotten apples, preying on our naive devotion. :-(
[FairfieldLife] RE: Re: Holy Hell: A Memoir of Faith, Devotion, and Pure Madness
Hi - no worries authfriend, I have no issues with discussion since I have been around the Amma scene for a really long time. The only reason I was compelled to post was because of Rick who posted what was nothing but an attack website from Amma org. I can shut up now :-) ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: indifferent_netizen, I don't recall having seen you or Eileen on FFL before. Are you here only to publicize Tredwell's book and counter criticisms of it? I don't have a dog in the pro/anti-Amma fight. I'm just curious, wondering if your presence on FFL is sort of the other side of what's been portrayed as an effort by the pro-Amma folks to discredit Tredwell and her book. You seem pretty anxious to discredit anyone here who takes a pro-Amma stance. You may not be doing your cause much good by insulting them, if I may say so. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Hi thank you Eileen for your comments. I had a chance to read your journey and experiences at Sai Baba's ashram online and they were very interesting. Thank you for taking such a courageous stand against the pedophile Sai Baba. Interestingly some like Rick Archer talk against Maharishi and Sai Baba and give an absolute free pass to Amma. Gotta protect the current cult you are in :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, eileenweed@... wrote: Holy Hell is a totally valuable book, because how often do we get an insider view from someone who was actually the personal assistant of such a big-name guru, and for two long decades? So often these gurus are two-faced hypocrites, presenting a smiling, benevolent persona to the general public, then changing into their true colors in private behind closed doors. People like Sathya Sai Baba (much of my two decades inside Indian ashrams were spent at his ashram in Puttaparthi) and Mata Amritanandamayi no doubt inspire their devotees through their idealistic teachings, but part of that inspiration always lines the guru's pockets with more wealth. The fact is, as revealed in Gail's book and backed by a number of others who were close to the 'Hugging Amma', Amritanandamayi is violent with uncontrollable anger and harshly beats her attendants, she has sex with some of her top Swamis (who control the finances of the ashram empire - and who are also rapists), she orders murders of various people who come in her way - including her own brother (several police cases were halted by the powerful ashram authorities), she has made her family members multimillionaires (and then goes on record to say she gave them nothing and it is all due to the success of their local fishing business!). So many details backing Gail's experiences in her book, are available online - including financial reports that show less than 10% of donations help the poor. So many parallels between these reports and what I personally experienced in sai baba's ashram! They are greedy rotten apples, preying on our naive devotion. :-(
[FairfieldLife] Where Do the Higher Dimensions Exist?
Scientists have been on a quest to find these higher dimensions that are above the usual space and time. They are conjecturing that these higher dimensions are curled up within space itself. But, IMO, they lie within the human being who has a fully developed brain--in the person who has reached enlightenment. IOW, the higher dimensions pertain to the various states of consciousness which the scientists have not included or recognized in their mathematical calculations, such as the quantum string theory. As MMY stated, for those individuals, heaven has manifested here on earth. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BU7zQvSVzJ0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BU7zQvSVzJ0
[FairfieldLife] Honoring Ringo Starr on his birthday
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RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Are there any TMers on this list?
Yes, spiritual but not religious modern Unified Field Physicists; aka Saivites of a former period. “A more likely probability is that some are Saivite nondualists, not Buddhists nondualists”. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero@... wrote: Right; but one can be a TMer without being a TB. Sam Harris on the roots of good and evil. http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/the-roots-of-good-and-evil http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/the-roots-of-good-and-evil ... On the question of whether the butt-bouncers are Buddhists. Most are non-dualists, of which the two major camps are (most of Buddhism); and Saivite (what is called by Westerners Hinduism). Ramana Maharshi was definitely a devotee of Arunachala Shiva but never claimed to be a Hindu. ... In short, the TM - TB butt bouncers are mostly nondualists but not necessarily Buddhists. In order to fit into the latter, one would (also) have to be aligned with some of the Buddhist icons or Yidams. It's safe to say that few TM practitioners are also devoted to Chenrizig, the Green Tara, etc;.and are thus not Buddhists except for the non-dualist part. A more likely probability is that some are Saivite nondualists, not Buddhists nondualists. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote: TM is not trademarked in the United Kingdom. So, ever since I first saw the term TMer used in a post by Judy, I've been asking her, and everyone else that comes here, what a TMer is. Nobody has been able to answer that question - case in point. All I could get out of you was that tantra means a thread - not very helpful. If you can't even define what TM is, how could you say what a TMer is? Go figure. So, let's do the math: 1. A TMer practices TM twice a day for twenty minutes. 2. A TMer meditates exactly twenty minutes, no more no less. 3. A TMer always practices TM twice a day, no exceptions. 4. A TMer has always practiced TM every single day since he or she learned TM. 5. A TMer is a TMer if he or she says they are a TMer. On 11/15/2013 1:47 PM, Bhairitu wrote: Transcendental Meditation is a registered trademark. To the general public when you say TM in terms of meditation they will know you mean the thing that the Beatles' Maharishi taught. Apply generalities to other meditation practices which of course DO transcend tends to muddy the waters as far as meaning. You're giving TM the Xerox syndrome.
[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Re: Holy Hell: A Memoir of Faith, Devotion, and Pure Madness
And authfriend please don't dismiss Eileen so lightly or question her motives. You can briefly check who she is here - http://www.saibaba-x.org.uk/22/divya.html ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Hi - no worries authfriend, I have no issues with discussion since I have been around the Amma scene for a really long time. The only reason I was compelled to post was because of Rick who posted what was nothing but an attack website from Amma org. I can shut up now :-) ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: indifferent_netizen, I don't recall having seen you or Eileen on FFL before. Are you here only to publicize Tredwell's book and counter criticisms of it? I don't have a dog in the pro/anti-Amma fight. I'm just curious, wondering if your presence on FFL is sort of the other side of what's been portrayed as an effort by the pro-Amma folks to discredit Tredwell and her book. You seem pretty anxious to discredit anyone here who takes a pro-Amma stance. You may not be doing your cause much good by insulting them, if I may say so. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Hi thank you Eileen for your comments. I had a chance to read your journey and experiences at Sai Baba's ashram online and they were very interesting. Thank you for taking such a courageous stand against the pedophile Sai Baba. Interestingly some like Rick Archer talk against Maharishi and Sai Baba and give an absolute free pass to Amma. Gotta protect the current cult you are in :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, eileenweed@... wrote: Holy Hell is a totally valuable book, because how often do we get an insider view from someone who was actually the personal assistant of such a big-name guru, and for two long decades? So often these gurus are two-faced hypocrites, presenting a smiling, benevolent persona to the general public, then changing into their true colors in private behind closed doors. People like Sathya Sai Baba (much of my two decades inside Indian ashrams were spent at his ashram in Puttaparthi) and Mata Amritanandamayi no doubt inspire their devotees through their idealistic teachings, but part of that inspiration always lines the guru's pockets with more wealth. The fact is, as revealed in Gail's book and backed by a number of others who were close to the 'Hugging Amma', Amritanandamayi is violent with uncontrollable anger and harshly beats her attendants, she has sex with some of her top Swamis (who control the finances of the ashram empire - and who are also rapists), she orders murders of various people who come in her way - including her own brother (several police cases were halted by the powerful ashram authorities), she has made her family members multimillionaires (and then goes on record to say she gave them nothing and it is all due to the success of their local fishing business!). So many details backing Gail's experiences in her book, are available online - including financial reports that show less than 10% of donations help the poor. So many parallels between these reports and what I personally experienced in sai baba's ashram! They are greedy rotten apples, preying on our naive devotion. :-(
[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Re: Holy Hell: A Memoir of Faith, Devotion, and Pure Madness
Actually, I believe your post announcing the publication of Tredwell's book preceded Rick's posting the link to the pro-Amma site.. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Hi - no worries authfriend, I have no issues with discussion since I have been around the Amma scene for a really long time. The only reason I was compelled to post was because of Rick who posted what was nothing but an attack website from Amma org. I can shut up now :-) ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: indifferent_netizen, I don't recall having seen you or Eileen on FFL before. Are you here only to publicize Tredwell's book and counter criticisms of it? I don't have a dog in the pro/anti-Amma fight. I'm just curious, wondering if your presence on FFL is sort of the other side of what's been portrayed as an effort by the pro-Amma folks to discredit Tredwell and her book. You seem pretty anxious to discredit anyone here who takes a pro-Amma stance. You may not be doing your cause much good by insulting them, if I may say so. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Hi thank you Eileen for your comments. I had a chance to read your journey and experiences at Sai Baba's ashram online and they were very interesting. Thank you for taking such a courageous stand against the pedophile Sai Baba. Interestingly some like Rick Archer talk against Maharishi and Sai Baba and give an absolute free pass to Amma. Gotta protect the current cult you are in :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, eileenweed@... wrote: Holy Hell is a totally valuable book, because how often do we get an insider view from someone who was actually the personal assistant of such a big-name guru, and for two long decades? So often these gurus are two-faced hypocrites, presenting a smiling, benevolent persona to the general public, then changing into their true colors in private behind closed doors. People like Sathya Sai Baba (much of my two decades inside Indian ashrams were spent at his ashram in Puttaparthi) and Mata Amritanandamayi no doubt inspire their devotees through their idealistic teachings, but part of that inspiration always lines the guru's pockets with more wealth. The fact is, as revealed in Gail's book and backed by a number of others who were close to the 'Hugging Amma', Amritanandamayi is violent with uncontrollable anger and harshly beats her attendants, she has sex with some of her top Swamis (who control the finances of the ashram empire - and who are also rapists), she orders murders of various people who come in her way - including her own brother (several police cases were halted by the powerful ashram authorities), she has made her family members multimillionaires (and then goes on record to say she gave them nothing and it is all due to the success of their local fishing business!). So many details backing Gail's experiences in her book, are available online - including financial reports that show less than 10% of donations help the poor. So many parallels between these reports and what I personally experienced in sai baba's ashram! They are greedy rotten apples, preying on our naive devotion. :-(
[FairfieldLife] RE: Re: Holy Hell: A Memoir of Faith, Devotion, and Pure Madness
Yes that's correct authfriend - I just popped in to make a post on the availability of Gail's book because of the wide audience of this list. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: Actually, I believe your post announcing the publication of Tredwell's book preceded Rick's posting the link to the pro-Amma site.. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Hi - no worries authfriend, I have no issues with discussion since I have been around the Amma scene for a really long time. The only reason I was compelled to post was because of Rick who posted what was nothing but an attack website from Amma org. I can shut up now :-) ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: indifferent_netizen, I don't recall having seen you or Eileen on FFL before. Are you here only to publicize Tredwell's book and counter criticisms of it? I don't have a dog in the pro/anti-Amma fight. I'm just curious, wondering if your presence on FFL is sort of the other side of what's been portrayed as an effort by the pro-Amma folks to discredit Tredwell and her book. You seem pretty anxious to discredit anyone here who takes a pro-Amma stance. You may not be doing your cause much good by insulting them, if I may say so. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Hi thank you Eileen for your comments. I had a chance to read your journey and experiences at Sai Baba's ashram online and they were very interesting. Thank you for taking such a courageous stand against the pedophile Sai Baba. Interestingly some like Rick Archer talk against Maharishi and Sai Baba and give an absolute free pass to Amma. Gotta protect the current cult you are in :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, eileenweed@... wrote: Holy Hell is a totally valuable book, because how often do we get an insider view from someone who was actually the personal assistant of such a big-name guru, and for two long decades? So often these gurus are two-faced hypocrites, presenting a smiling, benevolent persona to the general public, then changing into their true colors in private behind closed doors. People like Sathya Sai Baba (much of my two decades inside Indian ashrams were spent at his ashram in Puttaparthi) and Mata Amritanandamayi no doubt inspire their devotees through their idealistic teachings, but part of that inspiration always lines the guru's pockets with more wealth. The fact is, as revealed in Gail's book and backed by a number of others who were close to the 'Hugging Amma', Amritanandamayi is violent with uncontrollable anger and harshly beats her attendants, she has sex with some of her top Swamis (who control the finances of the ashram empire - and who are also rapists), she orders murders of various people who come in her way - including her own brother (several police cases were halted by the powerful ashram authorities), she has made her family members multimillionaires (and then goes on record to say she gave them nothing and it is all due to the success of their local fishing business!). So many details backing Gail's experiences in her book, are available online - including financial reports that show less than 10% of donations help the poor. So many parallels between these reports and what I personally experienced in sai baba's ashram! They are greedy rotten apples, preying on our naive devotion. :-(
RE: Re: RE: Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Minion Koan
I don't believe I suggested parents were the only source of stress and trauma during childhood, did I? Share blubbered: That's great Judy. But parents aren't the only sources of stress and trauma in childhood. On Saturday, November 16, 2013 11:47 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: P.S.: You're quite right about my childhood, albeit not in the way you hope. I had a happy, stress-free childhood with two parents who loved me deeply and steadfastly. They passed on their own devotion to authenticity and loathing of phoniness to me. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: (snicker) Thanks for proving my point, Share. You're so dependable in that regard. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Judy, imo your self righteousness with regards to authenticity is itself proof of over compensation. Your alleged devotion to authenticity and your opinions of me also imo are both results of your childhood. And that's all I'm going to say. On Saturday, November 16, 2013 11:10 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: Let me just put it this way, Share. I think your actual motivations for the way you respond to people are quite different from what you claim. I think most of your behavior on FFL is carefully tailored to attempt to make people think highly of you. The problem is that when your control slips, you show a completely different face. That's all I'll say for now, except to note that the quality in people I value most highly is authenticity, and the quality I most despise is lack of same. An inauthentic pose of virtue, as far as I'm concerned, is far more reprehensible than an authentic, let-it-all-hang-out display of vice. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Judy, a way more interesting question imho is why do you even care what I think turq thinks. Should I even feed your strange interest by answering you? What the heck: I doubt turq thinks about me much. Probably he hasn't changed his mind. But so what? See, I think in your mind that means I should be mean to him and not say thanks for a post I like, etc. But for me it's important to tell people when I like their posts. It's also important for me to disagree with people who are ganging up on someone. I'm sure there's a karmic reason but I don't need to figure it out for now. It feels right when I do both and that's why I do them. On Saturday, November 16, 2013 9:26 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: Say, Share, another question I asked you yesterday that you didn't respond to: Do you think Barry has changed his mind about you since his SHUT THE FUCK UP post? Share fawned: 7 posts this morning! This is one of the qualities I like about turq, his generosity, and that his posts are often about fascinating stuff. That's all I got for now (-: On Saturday, November 16, 2013 5:42 AM, TurquoiseB turquoiseb@... wrote: How many minions does it take to change a light bulb? Or into one?
[FairfieldLife] RE: Are there any TMers on this list?
Well, of course there are a few of us here. Once initiated as a transcending meditation TMer then always a TMer. There's no going back. Then, practically there are meditators who are practitioners, the irregulars or fallen away, and those meditators who are quitters. Now, one might not be actively part of the TM movement, but you Be a meditator then anyway that you want to parse your affinity with the TM movement. But conversely someone here who has never been initiated and instructed in meditation by an experienced transcending meditation TM teacher is definitely a non-meditator. Clueless, they have no idea what is going on as non-meditators. -Buck ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Yes, spiritual but not religious modern Unified Field Physicists; aka Saivites of a former period. “A more likely probability is that some are Saivite nondualists, not Buddhists nondualists”. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero@... wrote: Right; but one can be a TMer without being a TB. Sam Harris on the roots of good and evil. http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/the-roots-of-good-and-evil http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/the-roots-of-good-and-evil ... On the question of whether the butt-bouncers are Buddhists. Most are non-dualists, of which the two major camps are (most of Buddhism); and Saivite (what is called by Westerners Hinduism). Ramana Maharshi was definitely a devotee of Arunachala Shiva but never claimed to be a Hindu. ... In short, the TM - TB butt bouncers are mostly nondualists but not necessarily Buddhists. In order to fit into the latter, one would (also) have to be aligned with some of the Buddhist icons or Yidams. It's safe to say that few TM practitioners are also devoted to Chenrizig, the Green Tara, etc;.and are thus not Buddhists except for the non-dualist part. A more likely probability is that some are Saivite nondualists, not Buddhists nondualists. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote: TM is not trademarked in the United Kingdom. So, ever since I first saw the term TMer used in a post by Judy, I've been asking her, and everyone else that comes here, what a TMer is. Nobody has been able to answer that question - case in point. All I could get out of you was that tantra means a thread - not very helpful. If you can't even define what TM is, how could you say what a TMer is? Go figure. So, let's do the math: 1. A TMer practices TM twice a day for twenty minutes. 2. A TMer meditates exactly twenty minutes, no more no less. 3. A TMer always practices TM twice a day, no exceptions. 4. A TMer has always practiced TM every single day since he or she learned TM. 5. A TMer is a TMer if he or she says they are a TMer. On 11/15/2013 1:47 PM, Bhairitu wrote: Transcendental Meditation is a registered trademark. To the general public when you say TM in terms of meditation they will know you mean the thing that the Beatles' Maharishi taught. Apply generalities to other meditation practices which of course DO transcend tends to muddy the waters as far as meaning. You're giving TM the Xerox syndrome.
[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: Re: Holy Hell: A Memoir of Faith, Devotion, and Pure Madness
Not sure where you got the notion that I had dismissed Eileen or questioned her motives. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: And authfriend please don't dismiss Eileen so lightly or question her motives. You can briefly check who she is here - http://www.saibaba-x.org.uk/22/divya.html ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Hi - no worries authfriend, I have no issues with discussion since I have been around the Amma scene for a really long time. The only reason I was compelled to post was because of Rick who posted what was nothing but an attack website from Amma org. I can shut up now :-) ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: indifferent_netizen, I don't recall having seen you or Eileen on FFL before. Are you here only to publicize Tredwell's book and counter criticisms of it? I don't have a dog in the pro/anti-Amma fight. I'm just curious, wondering if your presence on FFL is sort of the other side of what's been portrayed as an effort by the pro-Amma folks to discredit Tredwell and her book. You seem pretty anxious to discredit anyone here who takes a pro-Amma stance. You may not be doing your cause much good by insulting them, if I may say so. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Hi thank you Eileen for your comments. I had a chance to read your journey and experiences at Sai Baba's ashram online and they were very interesting. Thank you for taking such a courageous stand against the pedophile Sai Baba. Interestingly some like Rick Archer talk against Maharishi and Sai Baba and give an absolute free pass to Amma. Gotta protect the current cult you are in :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, eileenweed@... wrote: Holy Hell is a totally valuable book, because how often do we get an insider view from someone who was actually the personal assistant of such a big-name guru, and for two long decades? So often these gurus are two-faced hypocrites, presenting a smiling, benevolent persona to the general public, then changing into their true colors in private behind closed doors. People like Sathya Sai Baba (much of my two decades inside Indian ashrams were spent at his ashram in Puttaparthi) and Mata Amritanandamayi no doubt inspire their devotees through their idealistic teachings, but part of that inspiration always lines the guru's pockets with more wealth. The fact is, as revealed in Gail's book and backed by a number of others who were close to the 'Hugging Amma', Amritanandamayi is violent with uncontrollable anger and harshly beats her attendants, she has sex with some of her top Swamis (who control the finances of the ashram empire - and who are also rapists), she orders murders of various people who come in her way - including her own brother (several police cases were halted by the powerful ashram authorities), she has made her family members multimillionaires (and then goes on record to say she gave them nothing and it is all due to the success of their local fishing business!). So many details backing Gail's experiences in her book, are available online - including financial reports that show less than 10% of donations help the poor. So many parallels between these reports and what I personally experienced in sai baba's ashram! They are greedy rotten apples, preying on our naive devotion. :-(
RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: All Bullies Are Narcissists
So Share, actually by posting a quote from 2004 from someone on alt.m.t, I wanted people to see what other folks thought he was, almost a decade ago. I don't know how you got that so tangled up in your mind. Share whined: So Judy, it sounds like your answer to my question is that you want people to see Barry for what you think he is. Realistically speaking, how would you know that you have accomplished that? On Saturday, November 16, 2013 11:52 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: Gee, Share, I thought it would be obvious. It's not just Barry's fantasy Mean Girls Club on FFL that has found his online behavior to be, shall we say, wanting. And I could go back many years before 2004 to find similar instances of folks having called him on it. As you say, it's not rocket science--at least for most folks--to see Barry for what he is. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Judy, what do you hope to accomplish by quoting something negative about turq from the other forum? On Saturday, November 16, 2013 11:40 AM, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: By definition cyber bullying (minors) and harassment (adults) are ongoing and relentless. From this perspective, what falls into this category? One incident of verbal abuse? Or many instances of repeating that incident? As well as many instances of other verbal attacks? It's not rocket science. On Saturday, November 16, 2013 9:06 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: What's fascinating is the EXTRAORDINARY hypocrisy of Barry accusing anybody else of bullying. Once you've viciously attacked someone in a post headed SHUT THE FUCK UP, you've pretty much announced that you've permanently given up your last shred of credibility as a critic of bullies. And BTW, I never said what Barry quotes me as saying below. He made that up out of whole cloth. That's what losers have to do when they don't have a case. Doesn't make anyone else a winner; it only confirms that one is a loser. Plus, just a reminder: The Mean Girls Club doesn't exist except in Barry's fantasies about his critics. Oh, and one last thing: Yesterday Richard cited an alt.m.t post of Barry's from 2004. If you read the discussion surrounding that post, you'll find a bunch of people making the exact same criticisms of Barry that are made here. Excerpt: One doesn't have to be a rocket scientist to recognize you as the 'know it all' egotist when you get criticized. You're a classic example; far from anything akin to what anyone would consider a person of spiritual integrity, in either the absolute or relative sense. Your blatantly obvious defensive ego trip betrays any pretense you might have in that regard. I doubt however, that your ego will allow your intellect to even consider the possibility. Barry wrote: Fascinating article from The Atlantic: http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2013/11/all-bullies-are-narcissists/281407/ http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2013/11/all-bullies-are-narcissists/281407/ Read through it and see if it doesn't remind you of the Mean Girl behavior we've seen on this forum, especially the credo of the MGC's founder: I am a winner because you are a loser.
[FairfieldLife] Quiet time meditation for Parents too
Downtown Flying Hall will open for early group meditation program at 2:30pm, Mon-Fri. We have created this special time so that parents can do their meditation program together and finish in time to be with their children coming home from school.
RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: Holy Hell: A Memoir of Faith, Devotion, and Pure Madness
Share babbled: not really indifferent or objective either, I said in person, not personally. Simply knowing someone online does not count imo. Nor is knowing someone online usually referred to as knowing them personally. Most folks use the terms in person and personally interchangeably. On Saturday, November 16, 2013 3:45 PM, indifferent_netizen no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Well Miss that's quite an assumption you make that Miss Emily Mae Not know me personally, clearly I'm posting anonymously for a reason.. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: ha! Emily at least I know Rick in person. Do you know indifferent in person? Or Gail Tredwell? smile?
[FairfieldLife] RE: Quiet time meditation for Parents too
will be available beginning Monday, Nov 18, in the Downtown Meditation Hall above the Orpheum Theater. The Downtown Meditation Hall will open for early group meditation program at 2:30pm, Mon-Fri. We have created this special time so that parents can do their meditation program together and finish in time to be with their children coming home from school.
[FairfieldLife] RE: Re: Holy Hell: A Memoir of Faith, Devotion, and Pure Madness
Very good to know, thanks for clarifying that. I don't know Eileen personally, clearly she has spent a lot of time close to Sai Baba. I myself have a spent of lot of time in Amma's cult and know all the characters mentioned in her book including Amma, Swamis, Gail, the woman Anu Iyer who attacks Gail viciously on the website Rick posted. I will be happy to engage in any discussion, I can't speak for Eileen but looks like she could too. And then it becomes a moral imperative when cultists start attacking Gail who has was so severely abused. People like Rick forwarding attack sites or philosophies espoused by Buck such as evolutionary altruism or suggestion by cultists like Share that Gail is clearing some karmas by being abused by Amma. Pathetic. Sad. Sickening. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: Not sure where you got the notion that I had dismissed Eileen or questioned her motives. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: And authfriend please don't dismiss Eileen so lightly or question her motives. You can briefly check who she is here - http://www.saibaba-x.org.uk/22/divya.html ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Hi - no worries authfriend, I have no issues with discussion since I have been around the Amma scene for a really long time. The only reason I was compelled to post was because of Rick who posted what was nothing but an attack website from Amma org. I can shut up now :-) ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: indifferent_netizen, I don't recall having seen you or Eileen on FFL before. Are you here only to publicize Tredwell's book and counter criticisms of it? I don't have a dog in the pro/anti-Amma fight. I'm just curious, wondering if your presence on FFL is sort of the other side of what's been portrayed as an effort by the pro-Amma folks to discredit Tredwell and her book. You seem pretty anxious to discredit anyone here who takes a pro-Amma stance. You may not be doing your cause much good by insulting them, if I may say so. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Hi thank you Eileen for your comments. I had a chance to read your journey and experiences at Sai Baba's ashram online and they were very interesting. Thank you for taking such a courageous stand against the pedophile Sai Baba. Interestingly some like Rick Archer talk against Maharishi and Sai Baba and give an absolute free pass to Amma. Gotta protect the current cult you are in :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, eileenweed@... wrote: Holy Hell is a totally valuable book, because how often do we get an insider view from someone who was actually the personal assistant of such a big-name guru, and for two long decades? So often these gurus are two-faced hypocrites, presenting a smiling, benevolent persona to the general public, then changing into their true colors in private behind closed doors. People like Sathya Sai Baba (much of my two decades inside Indian ashrams were spent at his ashram in Puttaparthi) and Mata Amritanandamayi no doubt inspire their devotees through their idealistic teachings, but part of that inspiration always lines the guru's pockets with more wealth. The fact is, as revealed in Gail's book and backed by a number of others who were close to the 'Hugging Amma', Amritanandamayi is violent with uncontrollable anger and harshly beats her attendants, she has sex with some of her top Swamis (who control the finances of the ashram empire - and who are also rapists), she orders murders of various people who come in her way - including her own brother (several police cases were halted by the powerful ashram authorities), she has made her family members multimillionaires (and then goes on record to say she gave them nothing and it is all due to the success of their local fishing business!). So many details backing Gail's experiences in her book, are available online - including financial reports that show less than 10% of donations help the poor. So many parallels between these reports and what I personally experienced in sai baba's ashram! They are greedy rotten apples, preying on our naive devotion. :-(
Re: [FairfieldLife] electric morning - Gemini
And we can also celebrate that finally, finally the long needed and awaited 4th bore of the Caldecott is open today! Now that I seldom go that way these days. But what a drag it was when they would switch bores around noon while I was headed towards Oakland. There was always those special people who would wait until the very last minute to move over to the open lane which cause the traffic to flow slower than if they had just merged earlier. Idiots! On 11/15/2013 06:25 PM, doctordumb...@rocketmail.com wrote: Whatever works! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote: Sounds more like something to enjoy in the evening as the natives dance around a fire about to sacrifice a virgin. ;-) On 11/15/2013 06:19 PM, doctordumbass@... mailto:doctordumbass@... wrote: A new one - applied echo and distortion to two entire tracks, within the mix. Video coming soon - was up in SF today, and taking pictures of this Russian orthodox church's gold dome, on upper Market, and the Golden Gate bridge, in the same shot. A beautiful clear day - Enjoy this one on a crisp morning, with an espresso. 1:58 'electric morning - Gemini' https://app.box.com/s/m1ura4sgze9gt8eevjog Copyright Temple Dog
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Japan will have more fun with the end of the world than we will
Especially if they need to evacuate Tokyo if there is another big earthquake to further mess up Fukushima. On 11/16/2013 07:50 AM, s3raph...@yahoo.com wrote: Maybe they won't . . . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yil_cn_1gMo No Sex Please, We're Japanese ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote: http://www.wired.com/business/2013/11/robot-restaurant/
Re: [FairfieldLife] George Lucas on TM
I gave him a copy of either Autobiography of a Yogi or Youth, Yoga and Reincarnation in 1970. I can't remember which but he said he would read it. On 11/16/2013 01:48 PM, nablusoss1008 wrote: George Lucas http://transcendentemeditatie.be/george-lucas/attachment/lucas George Lucas learned the Transcendent Meditation technique more than 40 years ago, and there are numerous rumors on the internet that with his concept of “The Force” in his Star Wars films he was inspired by Maharishi’s “Science of Creative Intelligence”, the more theoretical background behind the Transcendental Meditation technique (also here explained more in contact with our higher selves in contact with our “higher self”). George Lucas has recently given his full support to the initiatives of the David Lynch Foundation. A video was recently published on the website of his Edutopia project (the George Lucas Educational Foundation) about the exceptional success of Transcendental Meditation (Quiet Time) in a school in San Francisco see TM Edutopia Video http://edutopia.org/stw-student-stress-meditation-overview-video. The main editor of Edutopia, after his visit to a school in San Francisco where TM was practiced, said: “Every once in a while, when visiting a successful school, you see something that makes your jaw drop, something so extraordinary, you have to stop and make sure what you saw is actually what it appears to be.” What people are saying * Hugh Jackman http://transcendental-meditation.be/hugh-jackman/ * Oprah Winfrey http://transcendental-meditation.be/oprah-winfrey/ * David Lynch http://transcendental-meditation.be/david-lynch-true-happiness-lies-within/ * Paul McCartney http://transcendental-meditation.be/paul-mccartney/ * Clint Eastwood http://transcendental-meditation.be/clint-eastwood/ * William Hague http://transcendental-meditation.be/william-hague/ * Katy Perry http://transcendental-meditation.be/katy-perry-2/ * George Lucas http://transcendental-meditation.be/george-lucas/ * Jerry Seinfeld http://transcendental-meditation.be/jerry-seinfeld/ * Moby http://transcendental-meditation.be/moby/ * Russell Brand http://transcendental-meditation.be/russell-brand/ * Gwyneth Paltrow http://transcendental-meditation.be/gwyneth-paltrow/ * Martin Scorcese http://transcendental-meditation.be/martin-scorcese/ * Ellen Degeneres http://transcendental-meditation.be/ellen-degeneres/ * Rupert Murdoch http://transcendental-meditation.be/even-rupert-murdoch-studies-tm/ * Dr. Oz http://transcendental-meditation.be/dr-oz-transcendental-meditation-works/ * Dilma Rousseff http://transcendental-meditation.be/dilma-rousseff/ * Liv Tyler http://transcendental-meditation.be/liv-tyler/ * Raquel Zimmerman http://transcendental-meditation.be/top-model-raquel-zimmerman-on-her-tm-practice/ * Sheryl Crow http://transcendental-meditation.be/sheryl-crow/
[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Re: Holy Hell: A Memoir of Faith, Devotion, and Pure Madness
You know, indiff, you haven't been hanging out on FFL for more than a few days. It may not be appropriate for you to go around hurling the cultist label at folks you don't know very well. This group, and its members' relationships to Maharishi and the TMO (and to each other), are complicated and multifaceted, with a wide range of attitudes. I don't know much about Amma's organization, but I have the distinct impression there are some major differences between it and the TMO per se, and even more so between the members of the respective online groups. Instead of attacking the folks here who don't appear to agree with you about Amma, you might want to avoid trying to draw one-to-one parallels as if all such groups were more similar than different. Take your time and scope it out, and you may be able to have some interesting and productive discussions with us in which everyone learns something. If you go around alienating folks right off the bat, that's not likely. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Very good to know, thanks for clarifying that. I don't know Eileen personally, clearly she has spent a lot of time close to Sai Baba. I myself have a spent of lot of time in Amma's cult and know all the characters mentioned in her book including Amma, Swamis, Gail, the woman Anu Iyer who attacks Gail viciously on the website Rick posted. I will be happy to engage in any discussion, I can't speak for Eileen but looks like she could too. And then it becomes a moral imperative when cultists start attacking Gail who has was so severely abused. People like Rick forwarding attack sites or philosophies espoused by Buck such as evolutionary altruism or suggestion by cultists like Share that Gail is clearing some karmas by being abused by Amma. Pathetic. Sad. Sickening. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: Not sure where you got the notion that I had dismissed Eileen or questioned her motives. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: And authfriend please don't dismiss Eileen so lightly or question her motives. You can briefly check who she is here - http://www.saibaba-x.org.uk/22/divya.html ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Hi - no worries authfriend, I have no issues with discussion since I have been around the Amma scene for a really long time. The only reason I was compelled to post was because of Rick who posted what was nothing but an attack website from Amma org. I can shut up now :-) ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: indifferent_netizen, I don't recall having seen you or Eileen on FFL before. Are you here only to publicize Tredwell's book and counter criticisms of it? I don't have a dog in the pro/anti-Amma fight. I'm just curious, wondering if your presence on FFL is sort of the other side of what's been portrayed as an effort by the pro-Amma folks to discredit Tredwell and her book. You seem pretty anxious to discredit anyone here who takes a pro-Amma stance. You may not be doing your cause much good by insulting them, if I may say so. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Hi thank you Eileen for your comments. I had a chance to read your journey and experiences at Sai Baba's ashram online and they were very interesting. Thank you for taking such a courageous stand against the pedophile Sai Baba. Interestingly some like Rick Archer talk against Maharishi and Sai Baba and give an absolute free pass to Amma. Gotta protect the current cult you are in :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, eileenweed@... wrote: Holy Hell is a totally valuable book, because how often do we get an insider view from someone who was actually the personal assistant of such a big-name guru, and for two long decades? So often these gurus are two-faced hypocrites, presenting a smiling, benevolent persona to the general public, then changing into their true colors in private behind closed doors. People like Sathya Sai Baba (much of my two decades inside Indian ashrams were spent at his ashram in Puttaparthi) and Mata Amritanandamayi no doubt inspire their devotees through their idealistic teachings, but part of that inspiration always lines the guru's pockets with more wealth. The fact is, as revealed in Gail's book and backed by a number of others who were close to the 'Hugging Amma', Amritanandamayi is violent with uncontrollable anger and harshly beats her attendants, she has sex with some of her top Swamis (who control the finances of the ashram empire - and who are also rapists), she orders murders of various people who come in her way - including her own brother (several police cases were halted by the powerful ashram authorities), she has made her family members multimillionaires (and then goes on record to say she gave
Re: [FairfieldLife] Quiet time meditation for Parents tooBuck is a badge required?here?
If 1 were to go htere is a badge required to enter? What is the address of said Flying hall? exactly? -Original Message- From: dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, Nov 16, 2013 5:39 pm Subject: [FairfieldLife] Quiet time meditation for Parents too Downtown Flying Hall will open for early group meditation program at 2:30pm, Mon-Fri. We have created this special time so that parents can do their meditation program together and finish in time to be with their children coming home from school.
Re: [FairfieldLife] What I Did Today
Today I went by this place. What are those people all lined up for, waiting for days? [image: Inline image 1] On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 5:16 PM, Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.comwrote: Later today I drove past this place: [image: Inline image 1] On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 4:21 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote: There's an app for this: https://twitter.com/ I'm sure everyone on FFL will sign up for your tweets. On 11/15/2013 12:07 PM, Richard Williams wrote: Alright, I'm back on the discussion board; sorry for the delay but I had to go here:: [image: Inline image 1]
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[FairfieldLife] RE: Re: Holy Hell: A Memoir of Faith, Devotion, and Pure Madness
Not so Indifferent sounds like a troll planted to defend an author who is irrelevant to FFL. Hi - no worries authfriend, I have no issues with discussion since I have been around the Amma scene for a really long time. The only reason I was compelled to post was because of Rick who posted what was nothing but an attack website from Amma org. I can shut up now. But of course he can't shut up. This is the mark of a true believer or true unbeliever. Maybe he'll start talking about Alien Lizzies next - like Bronte Baxter. This is FFL, not the Ex-Amma forum. We didn't waste our time engorging ourselves with Ravioli's yada-yada. Nor should we speculate whether Amma's Tamil political sentiments sludge Her hugs. Few people here give a damn about any of it. You appear fascinated by the vitriol spewed out by this troll-like persona (shades of unmasked zebra). Ex-Amma is where Not-So-Indifferent - Neti Neti Zen and his/her own psuchophantic anti-deliberations belong. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: indifferent_netizen, I don't recall having seen you or Eileen on FFL before. Are you here only to publicize Tredwell's book and counter criticisms of it? I don't have a dog in the pro/anti-Amma fight. I'm just curious, wondering if your presence on FFL is sort of the other side of what's been portrayed as an effort by the pro-Amma folks to discredit Tredwell and her book. You seem pretty anxious to discredit anyone here who takes a pro-Amma stance. You may not be doing your cause much good by insulting them, if I may say so. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Hi thank you Eileen for your comments. I had a chance to read your journey and experiences at Sai Baba's ashram online and they were very interesting. Thank you for taking such a courageous stand against the pedophile Sai Baba. Interestingly some like Rick Archer talk against Maharishi and Sai Baba and give an absolute free pass to Amma. Gotta protect the current cult you are in :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, eileenweed@... wrote: Holy Hell is a totally valuable book, because how often do we get an insider view from someone who was actually the personal assistant of such a big-name guru, and for two long decades? So often these gurus are two-faced hypocrites, presenting a smiling, benevolent persona to the general public, then changing into their true colors in private behind closed doors. People like Sathya Sai Baba (much of my two decades inside Indian ashrams were spent at his ashram in Puttaparthi) and Mata Amritanandamayi no doubt inspire their devotees through their idealistic teachings, but part of that inspiration always lines the guru's pockets with more wealth. The fact is, as revealed in Gail's book and backed by a number of others who were close to the 'Hugging Amma', Amritanandamayi is violent with uncontrollable anger and harshly beats her attendants, she has sex with some of her top Swamis (who control the finances of the ashram empire - and who are also rapists), she orders murders of various people who come in her way - including her own brother (several police cases were halted by the powerful ashram authorities), she has made her family members multimillionaires (and then goes on record to say she gave them nothing and it is all due to the success of their local fishing business!). So many details backing Gail's experiences in her book, are available online - including financial reports that show less than 10% of donations help the poor. So many parallels between these reports and what I personally experienced in sai baba's ashram! They are greedy rotten apples, preying on our naive devotion. :-(
Re: [FairfieldLife] Where Do the Higher Dimensions Exist?
There are two main modern approaches to the study of mysticism. One is to say that ALL mystical experience is pathological. Another approach, popular with progressive psyhcologists and writers such as Maslow and Wilber, is that mysticism can be explained without reference to an absolute. In her remarkable study entitled 'Ecstasy', Marghanita Laski rejects all attempts to label the mystic experience pathological. I do not believe that any explanations of these experiences can be satisfactory if they suggest that ecstasies are only this or only that - only a phenomenon of repressed sexuality or only a concomitant of some or other morbid condition. Certainly convictions are an insufficient substitute for evidence, but both people's convictions of the value of these experiences and their subsequent influence on outlook and language persuade me that these are of some evidential value in justifying the conclusion that ecstatic experiences must be treated as important outside religious contexts, as having important effects on people's mental and physical well-being, on their aesthetic preferences, their creativity, their beliefs and philosophies, and on their conduct. Works Cited: 'Ecstasy: A Study of Some Secular and Religious Experiencies' By Marghanita Laski Cresset, 1965 p. 373 On 11/16/2013 3:58 PM, jr_...@yahoo.com wrote: Scientists have been on a quest to find these higher dimensions that are above the usual space and time. They are conjecturing that these higher dimensions are curled up within space itself. But, IMO, they lie within the human being who has a fully developed brain--in the person who has reached enlightenment. IOW, the higher dimensions pertain to the various states of consciousness which the scientists have not included or recognized in their mathematical calculations, such as the quantum string theory. As MMY stated, for those individuals, heaven has manifested here on earth. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BU7zQvSVzJ0
[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Re: Holy Hell: A Memoir of Faith, Devotion, and Pure Madness
Not too intelligent are you empty - stop frothing so much, it's embarrassing. Discussions on Amma are very relevant here and take your bullshit elsewhere. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... wrote: Not so Indifferent sounds like a troll planted to defend an author who is irrelevant to FFL. Hi - no worries authfriend, I have no issues with discussion since I have been around the Amma scene for a really long time. The only reason I was compelled to post was because of Rick who posted what was nothing but an attack website from Amma org. I can shut up now. But of course he can't shut up. This is the mark of a true believer or true unbeliever. Maybe he'll start talking about Alien Lizzies next - like Bronte Baxter. This is FFL, not the Ex-Amma forum. We didn't waste our time engorging ourselves with Ravioli's yada-yada. Nor should we speculate whether Amma's Tamil political sentiments sludge Her hugs. Few people here give a damn about any of it. You appear fascinated by the vitriol spewed out by this troll-like persona (shades of unmasked zebra). Ex-Amma is where Not-So-Indifferent - Neti Neti Zen and his/her own psuchophantic anti-deliberations belong. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: indifferent_netizen, I don't recall having seen you or Eileen on FFL before. Are you here only to publicize Tredwell's book and counter criticisms of it? I don't have a dog in the pro/anti-Amma fight. I'm just curious, wondering if your presence on FFL is sort of the other side of what's been portrayed as an effort by the pro-Amma folks to discredit Tredwell and her book. You seem pretty anxious to discredit anyone here who takes a pro-Amma stance. You may not be doing your cause much good by insulting them, if I may say so. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Hi thank you Eileen for your comments. I had a chance to read your journey and experiences at Sai Baba's ashram online and they were very interesting. Thank you for taking such a courageous stand against the pedophile Sai Baba. Interestingly some like Rick Archer talk against Maharishi and Sai Baba and give an absolute free pass to Amma. Gotta protect the current cult you are in :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, eileenweed@... wrote: Holy Hell is a totally valuable book, because how often do we get an insider view from someone who was actually the personal assistant of such a big-name guru, and for two long decades? So often these gurus are two-faced hypocrites, presenting a smiling, benevolent persona to the general public, then changing into their true colors in private behind closed doors. People like Sathya Sai Baba (much of my two decades inside Indian ashrams were spent at his ashram in Puttaparthi) and Mata Amritanandamayi no doubt inspire their devotees through their idealistic teachings, but part of that inspiration always lines the guru's pockets with more wealth. The fact is, as revealed in Gail's book and backed by a number of others who were close to the 'Hugging Amma', Amritanandamayi is violent with uncontrollable anger and harshly beats her attendants, she has sex with some of her top Swamis (who control the finances of the ashram empire - and who are also rapists), she orders murders of various people who come in her way - including her own brother (several police cases were halted by the powerful ashram authorities), she has made her family members multimillionaires (and then goes on record to say she gave them nothing and it is all due to the success of their local fishing business!). So many details backing Gail's experiences in her book, are available online - including financial reports that show less than 10% of donations help the poor. So many parallels between these reports and what I personally experienced in sai baba's ashram! They are greedy rotten apples, preying on our naive devotion. :-(
RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Quiet time meditation for Parents tooBuck is a badge required?here?
Yep, a meditation badge is needed. Apply for a badge at: http://invincibleamerica.org/ http://invincibleamerica.org/ ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WLeed3@... wrote: If 1 were to go htere is a badge required to enter? What is the address of said Flying hall? exactly? -Original Message- From: Buck. To: FairfieldLife FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, Nov 16, 2013 5:39 pm Subject: [FairfieldLife] Quiet time meditation for Parents too Downtown Flying Hall will open for early group meditation program at 2:30pm, Mon-Fri. We have created this special time so that parents can do their meditation program together and finish in time to be with their children coming home from school.
[FairfieldLife] The Sport of Competitive Laughing
...Laughter games, though seemingly unconventional, are not new. The Canadian Inuit have been practicing them for thousands of years. Their version is called Iglagunerk and consists of two individuals facing each other, grasping hands, and—at an agreed upon signal—beginning to laugh. The one who laughs the hardest and longest is declared the winner. Nerenberg says this, and an observation that mixed martial arts fighters often laugh during their pre-fight stare down, formed the genesis of competitive laughter. But there’s also some science behind it Read more: http://www.psmag.com/culture/inside-world-competitive-laughing-69972/?src=longreads http://www.psmag.com/culture/inside-world-competitive-laughing-69972/?src=longreads
[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: Re: Holy Hell: A Memoir of Faith, Devotion, and Pure Madness
Thanks authfriend - will do, I appreciate your feedback. Looks like you are not necessarily disagreeing with my assessment of these 3 posters - Rick, Buck and Share. Rick, the most dangerous of these three because of his disinterested, neutral persona he so desperately projects and invested in. It's clear neither of these three have even read the book. Rick doesn't offer any opinion, doesn't articulate his views. He just posts a website and expects people to accept it as truth. He is oblivious to this subtle deception and manipulation. His motives are suspect, especially considering his wife leads the Fairfield Ammachi Satsang. He should apologize or at least retain his dignity, integrity by refusing to forward such blatantly dishonest material and refusing to comment on Amma unless he engages in debate or something substantial. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: You know, indiff, you haven't been hanging out on FFL for more than a few days. It may not be appropriate for you to go around hurling the cultist label at folks you don't know very well. This group, and its members' relationships to Maharishi and the TMO (and to each other), are complicated and multifaceted, with a wide range of attitudes. I don't know much about Amma's organization, but I have the distinct impression there are some major differences between it and the TMO per se, and even more so between the members of the respective online groups. Instead of attacking the folks here who don't appear to agree with you about Amma, you might want to avoid trying to draw one-to-one parallels as if all such groups were more similar than different. Take your time and scope it out, and you may be able to have some interesting and productive discussions with us in which everyone learns something. If you go around alienating folks right off the bat, that's not likely. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Very good to know, thanks for clarifying that. I don't know Eileen personally, clearly she has spent a lot of time close to Sai Baba. I myself have a spent of lot of time in Amma's cult and know all the characters mentioned in her book including Amma, Swamis, Gail, the woman Anu Iyer who attacks Gail viciously on the website Rick posted. I will be happy to engage in any discussion, I can't speak for Eileen but looks like she could too. And then it becomes a moral imperative when cultists start attacking Gail who has was so severely abused. People like Rick forwarding attack sites or philosophies espoused by Buck such as evolutionary altruism or suggestion by cultists like Share that Gail is clearing some karmas by being abused by Amma. Pathetic. Sad. Sickening. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: Not sure where you got the notion that I had dismissed Eileen or questioned her motives. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: And authfriend please don't dismiss Eileen so lightly or question her motives. You can briefly check who she is here - http://www.saibaba-x.org.uk/22/divya.html ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Hi - no worries authfriend, I have no issues with discussion since I have been around the Amma scene for a really long time. The only reason I was compelled to post was because of Rick who posted what was nothing but an attack website from Amma org. I can shut up now :-) ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: indifferent_netizen, I don't recall having seen you or Eileen on FFL before. Are you here only to publicize Tredwell's book and counter criticisms of it? I don't have a dog in the pro/anti-Amma fight. I'm just curious, wondering if your presence on FFL is sort of the other side of what's been portrayed as an effort by the pro-Amma folks to discredit Tredwell and her book. You seem pretty anxious to discredit anyone here who takes a pro-Amma stance. You may not be doing your cause much good by insulting them, if I may say so. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Hi thank you Eileen for your comments. I had a chance to read your journey and experiences at Sai Baba's ashram online and they were very interesting. Thank you for taking such a courageous stand against the pedophile Sai Baba. Interestingly some like Rick Archer talk against Maharishi and Sai Baba and give an absolute free pass to Amma. Gotta protect the current cult you are in :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, eileenweed@... wrote: Holy Hell is a totally valuable book, because how often do we get an insider view from someone who was actually the personal assistant of such a big-name guru, and for two long decades? So often these gurus are two-faced hypocrites, presenting a smiling, benevolent persona to the general public, then
RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Quiet time meditation for Parents tooBuck is a badge required?here?
The Fairfield downtown group meditation is diagonally across from the Fairfield, Iowa U.S. Post Office 52556 Administratively you need a valid meditation badge to get admittance. Got to have that first. Apply online at http://invincibleamerica.org/ http://invincibleamerica.org/ Yep, a meditation badge is needed. Apply for a badge at: http://invincibleamerica.org/ http://invincibleamerica.org/ ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WLeed3@... wrote: If 1 were to go htere is a badge required to enter? What is the address of said meditation hall? exactly? -Original Message- From: Buck. To: FairfieldLife FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, Nov 16, 2013 5:39 pm Subject: [FairfieldLife] Quiet time meditation for Parents too Downtown Meditation Hall will open for early group meditation program at 2:30pm, Mon-Fri. We have created this special time so that parents can do their meditation program together and finish in time to be with their children coming home from school.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Are there any TMers on this list?
Maybe I should re-phrase my questions: Does a TMer practices TM twice a day for twenty minutes? Does a TMer meditate exactly twenty minutes, no more no less? Does a TMer always practice TM twice a day, no exceptions? Does a TMer always practice TM every single day since he or she learned TM? A TMer is a TMer if he or she says they are a TMer? On 11/16/2013 4:25 PM, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote: *Well, of course there are a few of us here. Once initiated as a transcending meditation TMer then always a TMer. There's no going back. Then, practically there are meditators who are practitioners, the irregulars or fallen away, and those meditators who are quitters. Now, one might not be actively part of the TM movement, but you Be a meditator then anyway that you want to parse your affinity with the TM movement. But conversely someone here who has never been initiated and instructed in meditation by an experienced transcending meditation TM teacher is definitely a non-meditator. Clueless, they have no idea what is going on as non-meditators.* *-Buck* ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: *Yes, spiritual but not religious modern Unified Field Physicists; aka Saivites of a former period.* “A more likely probability is that some are Saivite nondualists, not Buddhists nondualists”. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero@... wrote: Right; but one can be a TMer without being a TB. Sam Harris on the roots of good and evil. http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/the-roots-of-good-and-evil ... On the question of whether the butt-bouncers are Buddhists. Most are non-dualists, of which the two major camps are (most of Buddhism); and Saivite (what is called by Westerners Hinduism). Ramana Maharshi was definitely a devotee of Arunachala Shiva but never claimed to be a Hindu. ... In short, the TM - TB butt bouncers are mostly nondualists but not necessarily Buddhists. In order to fit into the latter, one would (also) have to be aligned with some of the Buddhist icons or Yidams. It's safe to say that few TM practitioners are also devoted to Chenrizig, the Green Tara, etc;.and are thus not Buddhists except for the non-dualist part. A more likely probability is that some are Saivite nondualists, not Buddhists nondualists. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote: TM is not trademarked in the United Kingdom. So, ever since I first saw the term TMer used in a post by Judy, I've been asking her, and everyone else that comes here, what a TMer is. Nobody has been able to answer that question - case in point. All I could get out of you was that tantra means a thread - not very helpful. If you can't even define what TM is, how could you say what a TMer is? Go figure. So, let's do the math: 1. A TMer practices TM twice a day for twenty minutes. 2. A TMer meditates exactly twenty minutes, no more no less. 3. A TMer always practices TM twice a day, no exceptions. 4. A TMer has always practiced TM every single day since he or she learned TM. 5. A TMer is a TMer if he or she says they are a TMer. On 11/15/2013 1:47 PM, Bhairitu wrote: Transcendental Meditation is a registered trademark. To the general public when you say TM in terms of meditation they will know you mean the thing that the Beatles' Maharishi taught. Apply generalities to other meditation practices which of course DO transcend tends to muddy the waters as far as meaning. You're giving TM the Xerox syndrome.
[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: Holy Hell: A Memoir of Faith, Devotion, and Pure Madness
I'm neither agreeing nor disagreeing. I'm suggesting that you yourself not make judgments, at least until you get to know us better, and that you refrain from insulting people who don't immediately jump on the anti-Amma train. You seem to have a tendency to see everything in black and white and to refuse to accept even the possibility of shades of gray. That approach is not likely to change minds; it's just going to piss people off and maybe even sway them to be sympathetic to the pro-Amma cause. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Thanks authfriend - will do, I appreciate your feedback. Looks like you are not necessarily disagreeing with my assessment of these 3 posters - Rick, Buck and Share. Rick, the most dangerous of these three because of his disinterested, neutral persona he so desperately projects and invested in. It's clear neither of these three have even read the book. Rick doesn't offer any opinion, doesn't articulate his views. He just posts a website and expects people to accept it as truth. He is oblivious to this subtle deception and manipulation. His motives are suspect, especially considering his wife leads the Fairfield Ammachi Satsang. He should apologize or at least retain his dignity, integrity by refusing to forward such blatantly dishonest material and refusing to comment on Amma unless he engages in debate or something substantial. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: You know, indiff, you haven't been hanging out on FFL for more than a few days. It may not be appropriate for you to go around hurling the cultist label at folks you don't know very well. This group, and its members' relationships to Maharishi and the TMO (and to each other), are complicated and multifaceted, with a wide range of attitudes. I don't know much about Amma's organization, but I have the distinct impression there are some major differences between it and the TMO per se, and even more so between the members of the respective online groups. Instead of attacking the folks here who don't appear to agree with you about Amma, you might want to avoid trying to draw one-to-one parallels as if all such groups were more similar than different. Take your time and scope it out, and you may be able to have some interesting and productive discussions with us in which everyone learns something. If you go around alienating folks right off the bat, that's not likely. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Very good to know, thanks for clarifying that. I don't know Eileen personally, clearly she has spent a lot of time close to Sai Baba. I myself have a spent of lot of time in Amma's cult and know all the characters mentioned in her book including Amma, Swamis, Gail, the woman Anu Iyer who attacks Gail viciously on the website Rick posted. I will be happy to engage in any discussion, I can't speak for Eileen but looks like she could too. And then it becomes a moral imperative when cultists start attacking Gail who has was so severely abused. People like Rick forwarding attack sites or philosophies espoused by Buck such as evolutionary altruism or suggestion by cultists like Share that Gail is clearing some karmas by being abused by Amma. Pathetic. Sad. Sickening. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: Not sure where you got the notion that I had dismissed Eileen or questioned her motives. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: And authfriend please don't dismiss Eileen so lightly or question her motives. You can briefly check who she is here - http://www.saibaba-x.org.uk/22/divya.html ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Hi - no worries authfriend, I have no issues with discussion since I have been around the Amma scene for a really long time. The only reason I was compelled to post was because of Rick who posted what was nothing but an attack website from Amma org. I can shut up now :-) ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: indifferent_netizen, I don't recall having seen you or Eileen on FFL before. Are you here only to publicize Tredwell's book and counter criticisms of it? I don't have a dog in the pro/anti-Amma fight. I'm just curious, wondering if your presence on FFL is sort of the other side of what's been portrayed as an effort by the pro-Amma folks to discredit Tredwell and her book. You seem pretty anxious to discredit anyone here who takes a pro-Amma stance. You may not be doing your cause much good by insulting them, if I may say so. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Hi thank you Eileen for your comments. I had a chance to read your journey and experiences at Sai Baba's ashram online and they were very interesting. Thank you for taking such a
[FairfieldLife] RE: The Man without a Head
Yes, a beautiful man. He died in 2007. His best-known book (only 100 pages long) was On Having No Head: Zen and the Rediscovery of the Obvious but his own personal favourite (and mine too) is The Trial of the Man Who Said He Was God. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote: Yes, I did too. I liked: Thank God I'm not like that here; Nearer to you than all else is the origin of the world; and his last quote from the Qu'ran..Man is like a mirage in the desert. When you go up to him, you lose him, and where you thought there was a man, there you find God. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Thanks so much for this s3. I enjoyed it immensely. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote: Ten-minute YouTube clip in which English eccentric Douglas Harding insists you are not what you look like. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcDMJvO6aHU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcDMJvO6aHU
[FairfieldLife] RE: Re: Holy Hell: A Memoir of Faith, Devotion, and Pure Madness
Just as depicted - an aggressive psucho-troll. So kicking me out are you? You should email Rick with your complaint. He can do what you cannot. I invite you to give it a try - Troll. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Not too intelligent are you empty - stop frothing so much, it's embarrassing. Discussions on Amma are very relevant here and take your bullshit elsewhere. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... wrote: Not so Indifferent sounds like a troll planted to defend an author who is irrelevant to FFL. Hi - no worries authfriend, I have no issues with discussion since I have been around the Amma scene for a really long time. The only reason I was compelled to post was because of Rick who posted what was nothing but an attack website from Amma org. I can shut up now. But of course he can't shut up. This is the mark of a true believer or true unbeliever. Maybe he'll start talking about Alien Lizzies next - like Bronte Baxter. This is FFL, not the Ex-Amma forum. We didn't waste our time engorging ourselves with Ravioli's yada-yada. Nor should we speculate whether Amma's Tamil political sentiments sludge Her hugs. Few people here give a damn about any of it. You appear fascinated by the vitriol spewed out by this troll-like persona (shades of unmasked zebra). Ex-Amma is where Not-So-Indifferent - Neti Neti Zen and his/her own psuchophantic anti-deliberations belong. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: indifferent_netizen, I don't recall having seen you or Eileen on FFL before. Are you here only to publicize Tredwell's book and counter criticisms of it? I don't have a dog in the pro/anti-Amma fight. I'm just curious, wondering if your presence on FFL is sort of the other side of what's been portrayed as an effort by the pro-Amma folks to discredit Tredwell and her book. You seem pretty anxious to discredit anyone here who takes a pro-Amma stance. You may not be doing your cause much good by insulting them, if I may say so. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Hi thank you Eileen for your comments. I had a chance to read your journey and experiences at Sai Baba's ashram online and they were very interesting. Thank you for taking such a courageous stand against the pedophile Sai Baba. Interestingly some like Rick Archer talk against Maharishi and Sai Baba and give an absolute free pass to Amma. Gotta protect the current cult you are in :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, eileenweed@... wrote: Holy Hell is a totally valuable book, because how often do we get an insider view from someone who was actually the personal assistant of such a big-name guru, and for two long decades? So often these gurus are two-faced hypocrites, presenting a smiling, benevolent persona to the general public, then changing into their true colors in private behind closed doors. People like Sathya Sai Baba (much of my two decades inside Indian ashrams were spent at his ashram in Puttaparthi) and Mata Amritanandamayi no doubt inspire their devotees through their idealistic teachings, but part of that inspiration always lines the guru's pockets with more wealth. The fact is, as revealed in Gail's book and backed by a number of others who were close to the 'Hugging Amma', Amritanandamayi is violent with uncontrollable anger and harshly beats her attendants, she has sex with some of her top Swamis (who control the finances of the ashram empire - and who are also rapists), she orders murders of various people who come in her way - including her own brother (several police cases were halted by the powerful ashram authorities), she has made her family members multimillionaires (and then goes on record to say she gave them nothing and it is all due to the success of their local fishing business!). So many details backing Gail's experiences in her book, are available online - including financial reports that show less than 10% of donations help the poor. So many parallels between these reports and what I personally experienced in sai baba's ashram! They are greedy rotten apples, preying on our naive devotion. :-(
RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Quiet time meditation for Parents tooBuck is a badge required?here?
More accurately this [group meditation] is not open to meditators. They don't count there. You got to be a TM-sidha to get a badge. It's not for meditators. -Buck in the Dome The Fairfield downtown group meditation is diagonally across from the Fairfield, Iowa U.S. Post Office 52556 Administratively you need a valid meditation badge to get admittance. Got to have that first. Apply online at http://invincibleamerica.org/ http://invincibleamerica.org/ Yep, a meditation badge is needed. Apply for a badge at: http://invincibleamerica.org/ http://invincibleamerica.org/ ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WLeed3@... wrote: If 1 were to go htere is a badge required to enter? What is the address of said meditation hall? exactly? -Original Message- From: Buck. To: FairfieldLife FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, Nov 16, 2013 5:39 pm Subject: [FairfieldLife] Quiet time meditation for Parents too Downtown Meditation Hall will open for early group meditation program at 2:30pm, Mon-Fri. We have created this special time so that parents can do their meditation program together and finish in time to be with their children coming home from school.
[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Re: Holy Hell: A Memoir of Faith, Devotion, and Pure Madness
I didn't realize you cry so easily Mr. Bill, how old are you now?
[FairfieldLife] RE: Re: Holy Hell: A Memoir of Faith, Devotion, and Pure Madness
Hi authfriend no issues it's easy for you to adopt a disinterested persona since as you say you are neither pro or anti Amma. However it is presumptuous on your part to assume I have a black and white philosophy, in fact it's very nuanced. But clearly I haven't had a chance to exhibit it yet since the only reason I started posting was to counter cultists like Rick, Buck and Share.
[FairfieldLife] RE: Re: Holy Hell: A Memoir of Faith, Devotion, and Pure Madness
That's it? I gave you an invitation to show us how important and powerful you are. I am giving you a chance to demonstrate something other than braggadocio. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: I didn't realize you cry so easily Mr. Bill, how old are you now?
[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Re: Holy Hell: A Memoir of Faith, Devotion, and Pure Madness
Here's a suggestion: Why don't you talk about Amma and how awful she is rather than about individuals on FFL and how awful they are? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Hi authfriend no issues it's easy for you to adopt a disinterested persona since as you say you are neither pro or anti Amma. However it is presumptuous on your part to assume I have a black and white philosophy, in fact it's very nuanced. But clearly I haven't had a chance to exhibit it yet since the only reason I started posting was to counter cultists like Rick, Buck and Share.
[FairfieldLife] RE: Re: Holy Hell: A Memoir of Faith, Devotion, and Pure Madness
You are too emotionally fragile Mr. Bill, don't want to make you more miserable. I don't get much joy beating wimps.
[FairfieldLife] RE: Re: Holy Hell: A Memoir of Faith, Devotion, and Pure Madness
This is getting more interesting by the moment. Having emerged from a cult myself and seeing a book written by a dear friend of mine about this said cult and having a chance to evaluate how accurate or inaccurate this account was I am fascinated to get all views on this Amma situation. I am currently reading Gail's book and so far it appears reasoned and untainted by gratuitous over the top criticisms. But then I'm only about 90 pages in. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: You are too emotionally fragile Mr. Bill, don't want to make you more miserable. I don't get much joy beating wimps.
[FairfieldLife] RE: All Bullies Are Narcissists
Mean girls are a figment of Barry's imagination left over from a time during his childhood when , apparently, he wasn't allowed to play dress up with them or play with their Barbies. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote: Fascinating article from The Atlantic: http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2013/11/all-bullies-are-narcissists/281407/ http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2013/11/all-bullies-are-narcissists/281407/ Read through it and see if it doesn't remind you of the Mean Girl behavior we've seen on this forum, especially the credo of the MGC's founder: I am a winner because you are a loser.
[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: Re: Holy Hell: A Memoir of Faith, Devotion, and Pure Madness
Will do authfriend - as the need and context arises. But no one is condemned of course, you see I had to take a strong stand against the ignorance and dishonesty of these three posters - Rick, Buck and Share. As I said Buck and Share seemed pretty inane and harmless, Rick OTOH not. And astonishingly none of them surely has read the book. Of course your suggestions are welcome, you are asking me to adopt a civil, balanced tone and I have nothing against it, unfortunately my samskaras are such that I react very strongly against ignorance and dishonesty. Rather than dispute and challenge of my assessments of these three posters you seem to be making gratuitous, presumptuous remarks about my motivations and intentions which I don't agree with. Perhaps you feel I'm a newcomer and thereby should be deferential in my conversation with old timers here and adopt a civil rather than inflammatory dialogue? Either way I don't agree with that - each poster whether new or old here has an equal right, freedom to conduct a dialogue on topics of their interest here while following the rules of this list. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: Here's a suggestion: Why don't you talk about Amma and how awful she is rather than about individuals on FFL and how awful they are?
[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Re: Holy Hell: A Memoir of Faith, Devotion, and Pure Madness
Hi - yes the first part is Gail's journey which doesn't involve Amma and I found it very sincere, funny at times, very engaging regardless especially her time in Ramana Maharshi's ashram. Please feel free to direct any questions towards me at any time. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote: This is getting more interesting by the moment. Having emerged from a cult myself and seeing a book written by a dear friend of mine about this said cult and having a chance to evaluate how accurate or inaccurate this account was I am fascinated to get all views on this Amma situation. I am currently reading Gail's book and so far it appears reasoned and untainted by gratuitous over the top criticisms. But then I'm only about 90 pages in. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: You are too emotionally fragile Mr. Bill, don't want to make you more miserable. I don't get much joy beating wimps.
[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Re: Holy Hell: A Memoir of Faith, Devotion, and Pure Madness
You are too emotionally fragile Mr. Bill, don't want to make you more miserable. I don't get much joy beating wimps. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... wrote: That's it? I gave you an invitation to show us how important and powerful you are. I am giving you a chance to demonstrate something other than braggadocio. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: I didn't realize you cry so easily Mr. Bill, how old are you now?
[FairfieldLife] RE: Re: Holy Hell: A Memoir of Faith, Devotion, and Pure Madness
Authfriend is worth listening to - a war horse in the best of possible ways. She is challenging but she is a defender of truth and abhors a liar or a phoney. Stay cool and tell your story. There are some of us who welcome reality here. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Will do authfriend - as the need and context arises. But no one is condemned of course, you see I had to take a strong stand against the ignorance and dishonesty of these three posters - Rick, Buck and Share. As I said Buck and Share seemed pretty inane and harmless, Rick OTOH not. And astonishingly none of them surely has read the book. Of course your suggestions are welcome, you are asking me to adopt a civil, balanced tone and I have nothing against it, unfortunately my samskaras are such that I react very strongly against ignorance and dishonesty. Rather than dispute and challenge of my assessments of these three posters you seem to be making gratuitous, presumptuous remarks about my motivations and intentions which I don't agree with. Perhaps you feel I'm a newcomer and thereby should be deferential in my conversation with old timers here and adopt a civil rather than inflammatory dialogue? Either way I don't agree with that - each poster whether new or old here has an equal right, freedom to conduct a dialogue on topics of their interest here while following the rules of this list. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: Here's a suggestion: Why don't you talk about Amma and how awful she is rather than about individuals on FFL and how awful they are?
[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Re: Holy Hell: A Memoir of Faith, Devotion, and Pure Madness
Indeed authfriend seems to be a genuine, rational person even though I don't necessarily agree with what she has had to say to me on this thread. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote: Authfriend is worth listening to - a war horse in the best of possible ways. She is challenging but she is a defender of truth and abhors a liar or a phoney. Stay cool and tell your story. There are some of us who welcome reality here. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Will do authfriend - as the need and context arises. But no one is condemned of course, you see I had to take a strong stand against the ignorance and dishonesty of these three posters - Rick, Buck and Share. As I said Buck and Share seemed pretty inane and harmless, Rick OTOH not. And astonishingly none of them surely has read the book. Of course your suggestions are welcome, you are asking me to adopt a civil, balanced tone and I have nothing against it, unfortunately my samskaras are such that I react very strongly against ignorance and dishonesty. Rather than dispute and challenge of my assessments of these three posters you seem to be making gratuitous, presumptuous remarks about my motivations and intentions which I don't agree with. Perhaps you feel I'm a newcomer and thereby should be deferential in my conversation with old timers here and adopt a civil rather than inflammatory dialogue? Either way I don't agree with that - each poster whether new or old here has an equal right, freedom to conduct a dialogue on topics of their interest here while following the rules of this list. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: Here's a suggestion: Why don't you talk about Amma and how awful she is rather than about individuals on FFL and how awful they are?
[FairfieldLife] RE: Re: Holy Hell: A Memoir of Faith, Devotion, and Pure Madness
You appear to be unable to submit any message other than an insult. It does not demonstrate a rational mind, as you claim, but rather an adolescent fixation. Not wonder you were easily fooled. You must really be angry at your own naiveté. You must have been kicked off of a number of forums to end up here. Maybe you are really just Ravioli. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: You are too emotionally fragile Mr. Bill, don't want to make you more miserable. I don't get much joy beating wimps. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... wrote: That's it? I gave you an invitation to show us how important and powerful you are. I am giving you a chance to demonstrate something other than braggadocio. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: I didn't realize you cry so easily Mr. Bill, how old are you now?
