date:20140208

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808  wrote:

  I like the bit If we think really, really big nature will support.
Yep nature is like that, always willing to help us out.

It helps if you appeal to the right people in charge of Nature, though.
For example, this kid's think big ideas sure happened, didn't they? 
:-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXudpW1l5Mw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXudpW1l5Mw


 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@ wrote:

  You just gotta read it to believe that anyone could be foolish enough
to believe that anyone would ever buy this kind of thinking. I only got
through 11 pages.


  http://www.hiddencures.com/Videos/Raam%20Lecture%202-12-09.pdf
http://www.hiddencures.com/Videos/Raam%20Lecture%202-12-09.pdf

[FairfieldLife] Re: Crazy Raam crap

You laugh, but I say that every winter and six months later it comes true!
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 wrote:
 
 I like the bit If we think really, really big nature will support. Yep 
 nature is like that, always willing to help us out. 
 
It helps if you appeal to the right people in charge of Nature, though. For 
example, this kid's think big ideas sure happened, didn't they?  :-)

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXudpW1l5Mw 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXudpW1l5Mw 



  ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@ wrote: 
 
 You just gotta read it to believe that anyone could be foolish enough to 
 believe that anyone would ever buy this kind of thinking. I only got through 
 11 pages. 
 
 
 http://www.hiddencures.com/Videos/Raam%20Lecture%202-12-09.pdf 
 http://www.hiddencures.com/Videos/Raam%20Lecture%202-12-09.pdf

[FairfieldLife] Re: Crazy Raam crap

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808  wrote:

 You laugh, but I say that every winter and six months later it comes
true!

Jeesuz obviously has his own time schedule in mind for how and when the
support of nature should manifest itself. It probably would have sped
things up if you'd paid for a Maharishi-brand yagya. :-)

Meanwhile here in the Netherlands we're having the mildest winter in
decades. It has only dipped below zero (zero Celsius...32 degrees
Fahrenheit) a couple of times so far, and there has been only one light
sprinkling of snow, just enough to make the streets look like a sacher
torte dusted with powdered sugar for a couple of hours before it burned
off.

I guess this is because I and the other low-lives who live in this land
of legal cannabis and prostitution are enjoying the support of nature,
right? While those who consider themselves so much more evolved (and
thus worthy) are up to their willies and their wonkas in snow and
bitching about trudging through it to the magical Woo Woo Domes Of
Enlightenment. Go figure. :-)

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@ wrote:

  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 wrote:
  
  I like the bit If we think really, really big nature will support.
Yep nature is like that, always willing to help us out.

 It helps if you appeal to the right people in charge of Nature,
though. For example, this kid's think big ideas sure happened, didn't
they?  :-)

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXudpW1l5Mw 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXudpW1l5Mw



   ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@ wrote:
 
  You just gotta read it to believe that anyone could be foolish
enough to believe that anyone would ever buy this kind of thinking. I
only got through 11 pages.
 
 
  http://www.hiddencures.com/Videos/Raam%20Lecture%202-12-09.pdf
http://www.hiddencures.com/Videos/Raam%20Lecture%202-12-09.pdf

[FairfieldLife] Re: Crazy Raam crap

Obviously still a bit of stress in the collective FF consciousness. Something 
good must be happening...
 

 The UK is having the wettest winter for over 100 years with large parts of the 
west country under water and sea defences crumbling. According to one UK 
independence party councillor it's punishment from God for legalising gay 
marriage! 
 

 Nice to know that correlation equals causation, that ought to make witch hunts 
a lot easier...
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 wrote:
 
 You laugh, but I say that every winter and six months later it comes true! 

 Jeesuz obviously has his own time schedule in mind for how and when the 
support of nature should manifest itself. It probably would have sped things up 
if you'd paid for a Maharishi-brand yagya. :-)

Meanwhile here in the Netherlands we're having the mildest winter in decades. 
It has only dipped below zero (zero Celsius...32 degrees Fahrenheit) a couple 
of times so far, and there has been only one light sprinkling of snow, just 
enough to make the streets look like a sacher torte dusted with powdered sugar 
for a couple of hours before it burned off. 

I guess this is because I and the other low-lives who live in this land of 
legal cannabis and prostitution are enjoying the support of nature, right? 
While those who consider themselves so much more evolved (and thus worthy) are 
up to their willies and their wonkas in snow and bitching about trudging 
through it to the magical Woo Woo Domes Of Enlightenment. Go figure. :-)

  ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@ wrote: 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 wrote: 
  
  I like the bit If we think really, really big nature will support. Yep 
  nature is like that, always willing to help us out. 
 
 It helps if you appeal to the right people in charge of Nature, though. For 
 example, this kid's think big ideas sure happened, didn't they? :-) 
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXudpW1l5Mw 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXudpW1l5Mw  
 
 
 
  ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@ wrote: 
  
  You just gotta read it to believe that anyone could be foolish enough to 
  believe that anyone would ever buy this kind of thinking. I only got 
  through 11 pages. 
  
  
  http://www.hiddencures.com/Videos/Raam%20Lecture%202-12-09.pdf 
  http://www.hiddencures.com/Videos/Raam%20Lecture%202-12-09.pdf

[FairfieldLife] Evidence Shows Transcendental Meditation Has Real Health Benefits


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-h-schneider/evidence-shows-transcendental-meditation-has-real-health-benefits_b_4747436.html
 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-h-schneider/evidence-shows-transcendental-meditation-has-real-health-benefits_b_4747436.html

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

 Oh, and of course you were never around Robin during his enlightened
days anyway.

No one was. There *were* no enlightened days. There was only
Narcissistic Personality Disorder acting itself out.

Or do you believe that he *was* enlightened? Please state your position
for the record. A simple Yes or No will suffice. Anything else will
be perceived as the evasion it is.

   What's NPS, and how were you in a position to think Robin had
it, whatever it is?

   As for Robin, yes I found him extraordinary in many ways. Whether
he had classic NPS, I couldn't say, but it sure seemed that way to me
much of the time.  But then again, it doesn't register with me much if a
person is said to be enlightened or not.

[FairfieldLife] Proven Strategy to Prevent Turmoil in Ukraine


 
 

 
http://www.sigmanews.co.id/read/2014/02/04/2/8/8082/proven-strategy-to-prevent-turmoil-in-ukraine.html
 
http://www.sigmanews.co.id/read/2014/02/04/2/8/8082/proven-strategy-to-prevent-turmoil-in-ukraine.html

[FairfieldLife] Re: For Bhairitu

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@ wrote:

  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote:
  
  On 02/07/2014 10:01 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote:
   
On 02/06/2014 05:30 PM, ultrarishi wrote:

 Ray Donovan is intense and gritty. Just our cup of tea. Didn't
 overly pander like some cable shows with excessive tits and
ass and
 violence because, after all, it's cable and it's why people go
there.
 Just good story telling, excellent stars and writing.
   
Great show and I'll miss the next season. Didn't watch Homeland
either
due to cutting the cable. Interesting take on the kind of person
who
actually exists in Hollywood to clean up things after a big
star
blows it.
  
   */I'm off work today, so I downloaded Ray Donovan and have now
   watched the first three episodes. I'm hooked, and will watch the
rest.
   Liev Schreiber is excellent, Paula Malcomson is always excellent,
and
   there are quite a few familiar faces popping up among the rest of
the
   cast, such as Steven Bauer and Elliot Gould. Still, it's Jon
Voight
   who kinda steals the show, as the most despicable human being
you're
   ever likely to see onscreen. I can only imagine that he'll get
worse.
  
   Good to chat with people about TV and movies they've actually
seen.
   Much better than dealing with people who know nothing whatsoever
about
   them, but repost month-old articles we've all already read before
to
   make it seem as if they do. :-)/*
 
  That said I would expect you to be on top of this one. ;-)
 
 
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-57618549-93/kickstarter-funded-film-reu\
nites-joss-whedons-dollhouse-cast/
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-57618549-93/kickstarter-funded-film-re\
unites-joss-whedons-dollhouse-cast/

  You would be correct, actually. :-) I have a 1080p full HD version of
it ready to watch tonight after dinner. I first heard about it on
whedonesque.com.

 
http://www.buzzfeed.com/jarettwieselman/dollhouse-alums-talk-life-in-the\
-whedonverse-or-whedonverse
http://www.buzzfeed.com/jarettwieselman/dollhouse-alums-talk-life-in-th\
e-whedonverse-or-whedonverse

 Haven't seen it, though, so unlike the person on this forum who likes
to comment about films she's never seen, I can't give you a review yet. 
:-)


  That's right Bawwy, sit your ass down and watch some more TV. Wow,
your life sounds like a frigging nightmare. Is there really nothing for
you to actually DO? Have you really accomplished everything you wanted
to in your life that you can afford to sit like a lump in front of a
small screen for hours on end? Is there nothing you can imagine that
might give you any sort of pleasure other than sitting in coffee houses
or staring at moving pictures? Phew, you aren't quite dead yet so there
is still time to milk some of what this life has to offer that doesn't
include sitting down all day focussing on a world that doesn't include
breathing, warm human beings.

I got *paid*, by seven different clients so far, for my review of Lust
For Love. The mini-reviews I wrote here and for the IMDB were freebies.
I've also gotten paid for reviews of several of the TV shows and movies
I've mentioned here recently.

How much did you get paid to snark once again on someone you don't like,
just because you can't get over being called a cunt? You do know that
you're demonstrating being one every time you post one of these ad hoc
gotta get Bawwy posts, don't you?

[FairfieldLife] People are beginning to catch on

 Judy, go start you silliness with someone else, please.

 Lame, baby, lame.

What is she going to do when *no one* falls for her tarbaby act any
more, and allows themselves to get sucked into an argument with her just
because she wants one?

I predict panic.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Crazy Raam crap

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808  wrote:

 Obviously still a bit of stress in the collective FF consciousness.
Something good must be happening...

  The UK is having the wettest winter for over 100 years with large
parts of the west country under water and sea defences crumbling.
According to one UK independence party councillor it's punishment from
God for legalising gay marriage!

  Nice to know that correlation equals causation, that ought to make
witch hunts a lot easier...

Same as it ever was...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3jt5ibfRzwfeature=channel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3jt5ibfRzwfeature=channel


 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@ wrote:

  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 wrote:
  
  You laugh, but I say that every winter and six months later it comes
true!

  Jeesuz obviously has his own time schedule in mind for how and when
the support of nature should manifest itself. It probably would have
sped things up if you'd paid for a Maharishi-brand yagya. :-)

 Meanwhile here in the Netherlands we're having the mildest winter in
decades. It has only dipped below zero (zero Celsius...32 degrees
Fahrenheit) a couple of times so far, and there has been only one light
sprinkling of snow, just enough to make the streets look like a sacher
torte dusted with powdered sugar for a couple of hours before it burned
off.

 I guess this is because I and the other low-lives who live in this
land of legal cannabis and prostitution are enjoying the support of
nature, right? While those who consider themselves so much more evolved
(and thus worthy) are up to their willies and their wonkas in snow and
bitching about trudging through it to the magical Woo Woo Domes Of
Enlightenment. Go figure. :-)

   ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 wrote:
  
   I like the bit If we think really, really big nature will
support. Yep nature is like that, always willing to help us out.
 
  It helps if you appeal to the right people in charge of Nature,
though. For example, this kid's think big ideas sure happened, didn't
they? :-)
 
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXudpW1l5Mw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXudpW1l5Mw
 
 
 
   ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@ wrote:
  
   You just gotta read it to believe that anyone could be foolish
enough to believe that anyone would ever buy this kind of thinking. I
only got through 11 pages.
  
  
   http://www.hiddencures.com/Videos/Raam%20Lecture%202-12-09.pdf
http://www.hiddencures.com/Videos/Raam%20Lecture%202-12-09.pdf

Re: [FairfieldLife] Life's big moment!

Fascinating article, salyavin, one that I'd like to take into the philosophical 
and spiritual realms. But for right now, I'm content to just be marveling. 
OTOH, are they saying that it was all one big accident?!





On Saturday, February 8, 2014 1:10 AM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com 
wrote:
 
  
There's a fundamental mystery at the core of our evolution. No, it's not how we 
went from fuzzy shrews to humans — it's how bacteria made the jump from 
single-celled existence to something more complex. The weird part is that 
evolutionary jump only happened once.
Over at Nautilus, Ed Yong has a terrific essay about that moment, roughly 2 
billion years ago, when bacteria made an incredible evolutionary leap. It put 
them on a path that eventually led to the evolution of complex, multicellular 
animals like us. But how the hell did it happen.
Yong writes about a new theory that could shed light on the most important 
missing link in our history as animals. Here's how he starts:
http://io9.com/the-most-important-moment-in-the-evolution-of-life-1517890220?utm_campaign=socialflow_io9_facebookamp;utm_source=io9_facebookamp;utm_medium=socialflow

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Crazy Raam crap

2014-02-08 Thread Michael Jackson

Must still be a bunch of scorpions over there in Merrye Olde Englande

On Sat, 2/8/14, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Crazy Raam crap
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Saturday, February 8, 2014, 11:50 AM

   Obviously still a bit of stress in the
 collective FF consciousness. Something good must be
 happening...
 The
 UK is having the wettest winter for over 100 years with
 large parts of the west country under water and sea defences
 crumbling. According to one UK independence party councillor
 it's punishment from God for legalising gay
 marriage! 
 Nice
 to know that correlation equals causation, that ought to
 make witch hunts a lot easier...

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@...
 wrote:

 --- In
 FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808  wrote:

  You laugh, but I say that every winter and six months
 later it comes true!

  Jeesuz
 obviously has his own time schedule in mind for how and when
 the support of nature should manifest itself. It probably
 would have sped things up if you'd paid for a
 Maharishi-brand yagya. :-)

 Meanwhile here in the Netherlands we're having the
 mildest winter in decades. It has only dipped below zero
 (zero Celsius...32 degrees Fahrenheit) a couple of times so
 far, and there has been only one light sprinkling of snow,
 just enough to make the streets look like a sacher torte
 dusted with powdered sugar for a couple of hours before it
 burned off. 

 I guess this is because I and the other low-lives who live
 in this land of legal cannabis and prostitution are enjoying
 the support of nature, right? While those who
 consider themselves so much more evolved (and thus worthy)
 are up to their willies and their wonkas in snow and
 bitching about trudging through it to the magical Woo Woo
 Domes Of Enlightenment. Go figure. :-)

   ---In
 FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@ wrote:

   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808
 wrote:

   I like the bit If we think really, really
 big nature will support. Yep nature is like that,
 always willing to help us out.

  It helps if you appeal to the right people in charge of
 Nature, though. For example, this kid's think
 big ideas sure happened, didn't they?  :-)

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXudpW1l5Mw  

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@
 wrote:

   You just gotta read it to believe that anyone
 could be foolish enough to believe that anyone would ever
 buy this kind of thinking. I only got through 11 pages.

   http://www.hiddencures.com/Videos/Raam%20Lecture%202-12-09.pdf

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

Oh, that's rich, coming from FFL's inveterate liar.
 

 As far as I'm aware, no one here has any basis for thinking Robin was anything 
but completely honest in his posts.
 

 Actually, don't we have only their word on it that Maharishi said that? 
 

 Robin's word is worth nothing

 

 Why is it that the idea that Robin experienced a period of genuine 
enlightenment 30-some years ago so upsets Barry? Barry didn't know him then. 
None of us did, except Ann. Why does Barry care so desperately?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

Judy, Robin himself called his alleged enlightenment a delusion. So I think 
it's inaccurate to use the phrase enlightened days.





On Friday, February 7, 2014 8:04 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com 
authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
  
Oh, and of course you were never around Robin during his enlightened days 
anyway.

 What's NPS, and how were you in a position to think Robin had it, whatever 
it is?


 As for Robin, yes I found him extraordinary in many ways. Whether he had 
classic NPS, I couldn't say, but it sure seemed that way to me much of the 
time.  But then again, it doesn't register with me much if a person is said to 
be enlightened or not.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

Oh, you mean narcissistic personality disorder.
 

 One wonders exactly how much you could know about it if you can't even get the 
name right. One suspects, in fact, that your only acquaintance with it is from 
Barry's fanatical obsession with NPD on FFL.
 

 But guess what, Stevie-boy? Barry is no more qualified to slap that label on 
someone he knows only from his FFL posts than you are. He uses it as a way to 
demonize people he's threatened by, and he seems to have trained you to do the 
same.
 

 Narcissist Personality Syndrome, ( and excuse me if I got the term wrong, but 
perhaps you can surmise what I intended), and from what I know about it, it 
seemed to describe him.

 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote:

 What's NPS, and how were you in a position to think Robin had it, whatever 
it is?
 
  As for Robin, yes I found him extraordinary in many ways. Whether he had 
classic NPS, I couldn't say, but it sure seemed that way to me much of the 
time.  But then again, it doesn't register with me much if a person is said to 
be enlightened or not.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

I beg your pardon? What exactly is your objection to the statement of a simple 
fact? There was no response from you required.
 

 Judy, go start you silliness with someone else, please.  
 Oh, and of course you were never around Robin during his enlightened days 
anyway.
 

  What's NPS, and how were you in a position to think Robin had it, 
whatever it is?
 
  As for Robin, yes I found him extraordinary in many ways. Whether he had 
classic NPS, I couldn't say, but it sure seemed that way to me much of the 
time.  But then again, it doesn't register with me much if a person is said to 
be enlightened or not.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

Judy, Robin himself called that experience a delusion. Thus I think it's 
inaccurate to refer to it as genuine enlightenment.





On Saturday, February 8, 2014 6:48 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com 
authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
  
Oh, that's rich, coming from FFL's inveterate liar.

As far as I'm aware, no one here has any basis for thinking Robin was anything 
but completely honest in his posts.

Actually, don't we have only their word on it that Maharishi said that? 


Robin's word is worth nothing


Why is it that the idea that Robin experienced a period of genuine 
enlightenment 30-some years ago so upsets Barry? Barry didn't know him then. 
None of us did, except Ann. Why does Barry care so desperately?

[FairfieldLife] TM sneaking into the schools

2014-02-08 Thread Michael Jackson

The TMO just can't stand being honest about much of anything

Here we have a front for TM to get TM in the schools in San Francisco


http://www.cwae.org/

Re: [FairfieldLife] Life's big moment!

Yes Share, I agree. The most amazed I'd ever been was reading a cellular
biology textbook and being told on the first page not only that life had
started once on Earth and survived but that we are all (that means all living
things) descended from one single cell. Easily proved too and the odds of it
happening twice are so vanishingly small as to be irrelevant - so here we are
brothers and sisters. Maybe we'll never know the exact details as there are a
number of theories but they all involve the same thing: an invasion of one type
of bacteria with another. The idea blows me away! Can everything really have
come from such a simple background? Yeah, of course. The simplest explanation
is always the best one.

There's no need to bring any spiritual realm into it as the concept of spirit
only evolved with the development of the brain and conceptual consciousness.
But I would say that ;-)

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote:

Fascinating article, salyavin, one that I'd like to take into the
philosophical and spiritual realms. But for right now, I'm content to just be
marveling.
OTOH, are they saying that it was all one big accident?!

On Saturday, February 8, 2014 1:10 AM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
wrote:

There's a fundamental mystery at the core of our evolution. No, it's not how
we went from fuzzy shrews to humans — it's how bacteria made the jump from
single-celled existence to something more complex. The weird part is that
evolutionary jump only happened once.
Over at Nautilus
http://nautil.us/issue/10/mergers--acquisitions/the-unique-merger-that-made-you-and-ewe-and-yew,
Ed Yong has a terrific essay about that moment, roughly 2 billion years ago,
when bacteria made an incredible evolutionary leap. It put them on a path that
eventually led to the evolution of complex, multicellular animals like us. But
how the hell did it happen.
Yong writes about a new theory that could shed light on the most important
missing link in our history as animals. Here's how he starts:

http://io9.com/the-most-important-moment-in-the-evolution-of-life-1517890220?utm_campaign=socialflow_io9_facebookamp;utm_source=io9_facebookamp;utm_medium=socialflow

http://io9.com/the-most-important-moment-in-the-evolution-of-life-1517890220?utm_campaign=socialflow_io9_facebookutm_source=io9_facebookutm_medium=socialflow

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Crazy Raam crap

Ok turq, I admit it! I LOLed at that *up to their willys and wonkas.* If I ever 
use it, I'll give you a footnote. Maybe!





On Saturday, February 8, 2014 4:42 AM, TurquoiseB turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808  wrote:

 You laugh, but I say that every winter and six months later it comes true! 

Jeesuz obviously has his own time schedule in mind for how and when the support 
of nature should manifest itself. It probably would have sped things up if 
you'd paid for a Maharishi-brand yagya. :-)

Meanwhile here in the Netherlands we're having the mildest winter in decades. 
It has only dipped below zero (zero Celsius...32 degrees Fahrenheit) a couple 
of times so far, and there has been only one light sprinkling of snow, just 
enough to make the streets look like a sacher torte dusted with powdered sugar 
for a couple of hours before it burned off. 

I guess this is because I and the other low-lives who live in this land of 
legal cannabis and prostitution are enjoying the support of nature, right? 
While those who consider themselves so much more evolved (and thus worthy) are 
up to their willies and their wonkas in snow and bitching about trudging 
through it to the magical Woo Woo Domes Of Enlightenment. Go figure. :-)

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@ wrote: 
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 wrote: 
   
  I like the bit If we think really, really big nature will support. Yep 
  nature is like that, always willing to help us out. 
 
 It helps if you appeal to the right people in charge of Nature, though. For 
 example, this kid's think big ideas sure happened, didn't they?  :-) 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXudpW1l5Mw  
 
 
 
   ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@ wrote: 
  
  You just gotta read it to believe that anyone could be foolish enough to 
  believe that anyone would ever buy this kind of thinking. I only got 
  through 11 pages. 
  
  
  http://www.hiddencures.com/Videos/Raam%20Lecture%202-12-09.pdf

Re: [FairfieldLife] Life's big moment!

salyavin, yes you would say that. And that's a good thing. One of the fun and
fascinating aspects of FFL is your contribution. You're even kind of nice when
you're anti TM (-:

On Saturday, February 8, 2014 7:00 AM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
wrote:

There's no need to bring any spiritual realm into it as the concept of spirit
only evolved with the development of the brain and conceptual consciousness.
But I would say that ;-)

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote:

Fascinating article, salyavin, one that I'd like to take into the philosophical
and spiritual realms. But for right now, I'm content to just be marveling.
OTOH, are they saying that it was all one big accident?!

On Saturday, February 8, 2014 1:10 AM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
wrote:

There's a fundamental mystery at the core of our evolution. No, it's not how we
went from fuzzy shrews to humans — it's how bacteria made the jump from
single-celled existence to something more complex. The weird part is that
evolutionary jump only happened once.
Over at Nautilus, Ed Yong has a terrific essay about that moment, roughly 2
billion years ago, when bacteria made an incredible evolutionary leap. It put
them on a path that eventually led to the
evolution of complex, multicellular animals like us. But how the hell did it
happen.
Yong writes about a new theory that could shed light on the most important
missing link in our history as animals. Here's how he starts:
http://io9.com/the-most-important-moment-in-the-evolution-of-life-1517890220?utm_campaign=socialflow_io9_facebookamp;utm_source=io9_facebookamp;utm_medium=socialflow

[FairfieldLife] RE: People are beginning to catch on

Barry's been hopefully predicting this for years, and it hasn't happened yet.
 
(BTW, Lame, baby, lame was my comment to Bhairitu, not his to me. Opsie.)
 

  Judy, go start you silliness with someone else, please.
 

  Lame, baby, lame.
 

 What is she going to do when *no one* falls for her tarbaby act any more, and 
allows themselves to get sucked into an argument with her just because she 
wants one? 
I predict panic.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

You misunderstood him, Share (even as many times as he explained it). He called 
enlightenment per se a delusion--his, Maharishi's, anybody's. He did not say he 
was deluded to believe he was enlightened.
 

  Judy, Robin himself called his alleged enlightenment a delusion. So I think 
it's inaccurate to use the phrase enlightened days. 
 

 
 
 On Friday, February 7, 2014 8:04 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote:
 
   Oh, and of course you were never around Robin during his enlightened days 
anyway.
 

  What's NPS, and how were you in a position to think Robin had it, 
whatever it is?
 
  As for Robin, yes I found him extraordinary in many ways. Whether he had 
classic NPS, I couldn't say, but it sure seemed that way to me much of the 
time.  But then again, it doesn't register with me much if a person is said to 
be enlightened or not.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Life's big moment!

Oh, I'm not 'anti' anything, I just like pointing out their stupidities,
shortcomings and idiosyncrasies. I'll always like meditating, it's probably the
only thing that keeps me insane.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote:

salyavin, yes you would say that. And that's a good thing. One of the fun and
fascinating aspects of FFL is your contribution. You're even kind of nice when
you're anti TM (-:

On Saturday, February 8, 2014 7:00 AM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
wrote:

There's no need to bring any spiritual realm into it as the concept of spirit
only evolved with the development of the brain and conceptual consciousness.
But I would say that ;-)

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote:

On Saturday, February 8, 2014 1:10 AM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
wrote:

http://io9.com/the-most-important-moment-in-the-evolution-of-life-1517890220?utm_campaign=socialflow_io9_facebookamp;utm_source=io9_facebookamp;utm_medium=socialflow

http://io9.com/the-most-important-moment-in-the-evolution-of-life-1517890220?utm_campaign=socialflow_io9_facebookutm_source=io9_facebookutm_medium=socialflow

Re: [FairfieldLife] Life's big moment!

Oh, I'm not 'anti' anything, I just like pointing out their stupidities,
shortcomings and idiosyncrasies. I'll always like meditating, it's probably the
only thing that keeps me insane.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote:

salyavin, yes you would say that. And that's a good thing. One of the fun and
fascinating aspects of FFL is your contribution. You're even kind of nice when
you're anti TM (-:

On Saturday, February 8, 2014 7:00 AM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
wrote:

There's no need to bring any spiritual realm into it as the concept of spirit
only evolved with the development of the brain and conceptual consciousness.
But I would say that ;-)

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote:

On Saturday, February 8, 2014 1:10 AM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
wrote:

http://io9.com/the-most-important-moment-in-the-evolution-of-life-1517890220?utm_campaign=socialflow_io9_facebookamp;utm_source=io9_facebookamp;utm_medium=socialflow

http://io9.com/the-most-important-moment-in-the-evolution-of-life-1517890220?utm_campaign=socialflow_io9_facebookutm_source=io9_facebookutm_medium=socialflow

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

See my previous post. You don't know what you're talking about as far as what 
Robin said about this is concerned. You're also confused as to what I said that 
you're commenting on. Read it again, please.
 

  Judy, Robin himself called that experience a delusion. Thus I think it's 
inaccurate to refer to it as genuine enlightenment. 
 

 
 
 On Saturday, February 8, 2014 6:48 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote:
 
   Oh, that's rich, coming from FFL's inveterate liar.
 

 As far as I'm aware, no one here has any basis for thinking Robin was anything 
but completely honest in his posts.
 

 Actually, don't we have only their word on it that Maharishi said that? 
 

 Robin's word is worth nothing

 

 Why is it that the idea that Robin experienced a period of genuine 
enlightenment 30-some years ago so upsets Barry? Barry didn't know him then. 
None of us did, except Ann. Why does Barry care so desperately?

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

As if you had the foggiest idea.
 

 Of course, a simple yes or no would be meaningless. I have no more basis for 
believing one or the other than you do.
 

   Oh, and of course you were never around Robin during his enlightened days 
anyway.
 

 No one was. There *were* no enlightened days. There was only Narcissistic 
Personality Disorder acting itself out.
 

 Or do you believe that he *was* enlightened? Please state your position for 
the record. A simple Yes or No will suffice. Anything else will be 
perceived as the evasion it is. 
 
   What's NPS, and how were you in a position to think Robin had it, 
  whatever it is? 
 
  As for Robin, yes I found him extraordinary in many ways. Whether he had 
 classic NPS, I couldn't say, but it sure seemed that way to me much of the 
 time. But then again, it doesn't register with me much if a person is said to 
 be enlightened or not.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

Aaaahhh, feel better now Judy? 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote:

 Oh, you mean narcissistic personality disorder.
 

 One wonders exactly how much you could know about it if you can't even get the 
name right. One suspects, in fact, that your only acquaintance with it is from 
Barry's fanatical obsession with NPD on FFL.
 

 But guess what, Stevie-boy? Barry is no more qualified to slap that label on 
someone he knows only from his FFL posts than you are. He uses it as a way to 
demonize people he's threatened by, and he seems to have trained you to do the 
same.
 

 Narcissist Personality Syndrome, ( and excuse me if I got the term wrong, but 
perhaps you can surmise what I intended), and from what I know about it, it 
seemed to describe him.

 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote:

 What's NPS, and how were you in a position to think Robin had it, whatever 
it is?
 
  As for Robin, yes I found him extraordinary in many ways. Whether he had 
classic NPS, I couldn't say, but it sure seemed that way to me much of the 
time.  But then again, it doesn't register with me much if a person is said to 
be enlightened or not.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

Judy, I have no idea what you are talking about.  But, please, proceed 
according to your fancy.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote:

 I beg your pardon? What exactly is your objection to the statement of a simple 
fact? There was no response from you required.
 

 Judy, go start you silliness with someone else, please.  
 Oh, and of course you were never around Robin during his enlightened days 
anyway.
 

  What's NPS, and how were you in a position to think Robin had it, 
whatever it is?
 
  As for Robin, yes I found him extraordinary in many ways. Whether he had 
classic NPS, I couldn't say, but it sure seemed that way to me much of the 
time.  But then again, it doesn't register with me much if a person is said to 
be enlightened or not.

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Country Chuckles

Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield.- Will Rogers


On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 7:33 AM, Pundit Sir pundits...@gmail.com wrote:

 Good judgment comes from bad experience, and a lot of that comes from bad
 judgment.- Will Rogers


 On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 7:42 AM, Pundit Sir pundits...@gmail.com wrote:

 If you drink, don't park; accidents cause people. - Will Rogers


 On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 9:47 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote:



 Hey Richard, I just found out that Will Rogers was Native American or
 what the Canadians call First Nations. What a wonderful thinker he was.
 Thanks so much for posting these.




   On Wednesday, February 5, 2014 8:51 AM, Pundit Sir 
 pundits...@gmail.com wrote:

  If you tell the truth, you don't have to remember anything. - Will
 Rogers


 On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 3:26 PM, Pundit Sir pundits...@gmail.com wrote:

 Don't squat with your spurs on.- Will Rogers


 On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 8:34 AM, Pundit Sir pundits...@gmail.com wrote:

 If you lend someone $20, and never see that person again, it was
 probably worth it. - Will Rogers


 On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 8:59 AM, Pundit Sir pundits...@gmail.com wrote:

 Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day. Teach him to fish, and he
 will sit in a boat and drink beer all day. - Will Rogers


 On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 6:24 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.comwrote:


  LOL, Richard, thanks, hope you have a good week...




   On Sunday, February 2, 2014 10:10 PM, Pundit Sir pundits...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you. - Will
 Rogers


 On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 12:53 PM, Richard Williams 
 pundits...@gmail.comwrote:

 Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes.
 That way, when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their
 shoes. - Will Rogers


 On Sat, Feb 1, 2014 at 7:26 PM, Richard Williams 
 pundits...@gmail.comwrote:

 If you think nobody cares if you're alive, try missing a couple of car
 payments. - Will Rogers


 On Sat, Feb 1, 2014 at 7:39 AM, Richard Williams 
 pundits...@gmail.comwrote:

 It is far more impressive when others discover your good qualities
 without your help.- Will Rogers


 On Sat, Feb 1, 2014 at 6:49 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.comwrote:


  Another great Will Rogers quote, Richard, thanks




   On Friday, January 31, 2014 7:51 PM, Richard Williams 
 pundits...@gmail.com wrote:

  It may be that your sole purpose in life is simply to serve as a
 warning to others.- Will Rogers


 On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 9:23 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.comwrote:


  Wonderful, LOL, thanks Richard. Thanks to Will too (-:




   On Friday, January 31, 2014 9:22 AM, Richard Williams 
 pundits...@gmail.com wrote:

  Never test the depth of the water with both feet. - Will Rogers


 On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 8:39 AM, Richard Williams 
 pundits...@gmail.comwrote:

 Don't be irreplaceable. If you can't be replaced, you can't be
 promoted.- Will Rogers


 On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 7:28 PM, Richard Williams 
 pundits...@gmail.comwrote:

 It's always darkest before dawn. So if you're going to steal your
 neighbor's newspaper, that's the time to do it. - Will Rogers


 On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 5:37 PM, Richard Williams 
 pundits...@gmail.comwrote:

 In case you are worried about what is going to become of the younger
 generation, it is going to grow up and start worrying about the younger
 generation.


 On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 8:13 AM, Richard Williams 
 pundits...@gmail.comwrote:

 Always remember you're unique. Just like everyone else.- Will Rogers


 On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 9:27 AM, Richard J. Williams 
 pundits...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 1/7/2014 6:01 PM, Richard Williams wrote:

 The journey of a thousand miles begins with a broken fan belt and a
 leaky tire. - Will Rogers

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

That makes two of us. Why did you accuse me of trying to start silliness with 
you when all I did was state a simple fact, that you didn't know Robin during 
his enlightened period? Far as I'm aware, there's no argument about that point, 
and I wasn't expecting a response. I have no idea what you misunderstood about 
what I wrote.
 

  Judy, I have no idea what you are talking about.  But, please, proceed 
according to your fancy. 
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote:

 I beg your pardon? What exactly is your objection to the statement of a simple 
fact? There was no response from you required.
 

 Judy, go start you silliness with someone else, please.  
 Oh, and of course you were never around Robin during his enlightened days 
anyway.
 

  What's NPS, and how were you in a position to think Robin had it, 
whatever it is?
 
  As for Robin, yes I found him extraordinary in many ways. Whether he had 
classic NPS, I couldn't say, but it sure seemed that way to me much of the 
time.  But then again, it doesn't register with me much if a person is said to 
be enlightened or not.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

I am sorry that I did not make it more clear that I've only known Robin from 
the period that he was posting here.  I left FF and MIU shortly before he made 
his big splash there.
 

 I did know one lady with whom I had a bit of a crush, Judy G, who I Iearned 
became involved with Robin's group.  I don't know if Anne or anyone else may 
know what happened to her?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote:

 That makes two of us. Why did you accuse me of trying to start silliness 
with you when all I did was state a simple fact, that you didn't know Robin 
during his enlightened period? Far as I'm aware, there's no argument about that 
point, and I wasn't expecting a response. I have no idea what you misunderstood 
about what I wrote.
 

  Judy, I have no idea what you are talking about.  But, please, proceed 
according to your fancy. 
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote:

 I beg your pardon? What exactly is your objection to the statement of a simple 
fact? There was no response from you required.
 

 Judy, go start you silliness with someone else, please.  
 Oh, and of course you were never around Robin during his enlightened days 
anyway.
 

  What's NPS, and how were you in a position to think Robin had it, 
whatever it is?
 
  As for Robin, yes I found him extraordinary in many ways. Whether he had 
classic NPS, I couldn't say, but it sure seemed that way to me much of the 
time.  But then again, it doesn't register with me much if a person is said to 
be enlightened or not.

[FairfieldLife] Re: What Women Want to Do

Women Prefer Manly Men

Really. It took a feature-length article in the magazine to explain to
readers that when men act less like men, heterosexual women want to have
sex with them less. Despite women being told that they want men more
involved in traditionally female household tasks like cooking, cleaning and
childcare, when men actually do so, wives find their husbands considerably
less sexy. . . . The word 'submission' was used four times in the piece, a
radical concept for radical feminists.

PJ Media Lifestyle:
http://pjmedia.com/lifestyle/2014/02/07/nyt-bombshell-women-prefer-manly-men/


On Sat, Dec 28, 2013 at 8:08 AM, Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.comwrote:

 Women who complain that their hookup partner did not care enough to bring
 her to orgasm should understand that they can't have it both ways. Blame it
 on evolution.

 Read more:

 'In Hookups, Inequality Still Reigns'
 http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-mind-body-connection/201312/in-hookups-inequality-still-reigns-1

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

No problem. People who didn't follow Robin's posts get confused and think he 
was claiming to be enlightened while he was here, rather than 30-some years 
ago, so it's important to make sure they understand that wasn't the case.
 

  I am sorry that I did not make it more clear that I've only known Robin 
from the period that he was posting here.  I left FF and MIU shortly before he 
made his big splash there. 
 

 I did know one lady with whom I had a bit of a crush, Judy G, who I Iearned 
became involved with Robin's group.  I don't know if Anne or anyone else may 
know what happened to her?
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote:

 That makes two of us. Why did you accuse me of trying to start silliness 
with you when all I did was state a simple fact, that you didn't know Robin 
during his enlightened period? Far as I'm aware, there's no argument about that 
point, and I wasn't expecting a response. I have no idea what you misunderstood 
about what I wrote.
 

  Judy, I have no idea what you are talking about.  But, please, proceed 
according to your fancy. 
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote:

 I beg your pardon? What exactly is your objection to the statement of a simple 
fact? There was no response from you required.
 

 Judy, go start you silliness with someone else, please.  
 Oh, and of course you were never around Robin during his enlightened days 
anyway.
 

  What's NPS, and how were you in a position to think Robin had it, 
whatever it is?
 
  As for Robin, yes I found him extraordinary in many ways. Whether he had 
classic NPS, I couldn't say, but it sure seemed that way to me much of the 
time.  But then again, it doesn't register with me much if a person is said to 
be enlightened or not.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Technology

The End of the Swipe-and-Sign Credit Card

It's a payment ritual as familiar as handing over a $20 bill, and it's
soon to go extinct: prepare to say farewell to the swipe-and-sign of a
credit card transaction. Beginning later next year, you will stop signing
those credit card receipts. Instead, you will insert your card into a slot
and enter a PIN number, just like people do in much of the rest of the
world.

http://blogs.wsj.com/corporate-intelligence/http://blogs.wsj.com/corporate-intelligence/2014/02/06/october-2015-the-end-of-the-swipe-and-sign-credit-card/

On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 10:52 AM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

Plus maybe you'll be able to use it as a radiation detector:

http://www.npr.org/blogs/alltechconsidered/2014/01/17/263369742/weekly-innovation-a-radiation-detector-in-your-smartphone

Probably a mistake as the article says CCDs detect radiation but today's
devices use CMOS chips for the camera. But at least you can keep up on
Fukushima's encroachment on your environment. Happy gamma rays!

On 01/31/2014 07:19 AM, Richard Williams wrote:

Meet the $38 tablet: Hands-on with DataWind's UbiSlate 7Ci

http://shopping.yahoo.com/datawind-ubislatehttp://shopping.yahoo.com/blogs/digital-crave/meet-38-tablet-hands-datawind-ubislate-7ci-185612468.html

On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 7:48 AM, Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.comwrote:

What People Want

YES! I don't want a curved phone. I want one that won't break when
dropped, is waterproof, and that I can see in the sun. And with all-day
battery life...

https://twitter.com/GPollowitz/statuses/423787604559945728

[image: Inline image 2]

On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 7:09 AM, Richard Williams
pundits...@gmail.comwrote:

Twitter at 3:00 AM

The activity column shows you what everyone you follow on Twitter is
doing. It will tell you if someone just favorited a tweet or followed
someone new in a constantly moving stream. But if you follow a lot of heavy
Twitter users, the feed will often move fast...

'There Are Things You Do On Twitter That Should Only Be Done At 3' AM'
http://www.newstimes.com/technology/business/insider/

On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 4:04 PM, Richard Williams
pundits...@gmail.comwrote:

The anti-NSA smartphone?

[image: Inline image 1]

Blackphone at Popular Mechanics

Of course, perfect encryption (which many argue isn't even possible)
is a two-way street. Whether calling, emailing, or texting, the level of
security is dependent on what tech or services are being used on the other
end of the line.

Blackphone, the Security-First Smartphone:
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/gadgets/http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/gadgets/tech-news/silent-circle-announces-security-first-smartphone-16384335?click=pm_latest

On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 6:57 PM, Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com
wrote:

Galaxy Nexus 16GB (Unlocked)

Lack of an SD card slot and only 16GB of internal memory. This is
the only thing that bothers me. However USB OTG solves part of this
problem
(with a special cable, you can plug in an external mass storage device --
this does not currently work without rooting, but official support will be
included in a future firmware update as confirmed by Google). - Amazon
review:

http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-I9250-Galaxy-Nexus-Unlocked/http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-I9250-Galaxy-Nexus-Unlocked/product-reviews/B005ZEF01A/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?showViewpoints=1

On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 12:07 PM, Richard Williams
pundits...@gmail.com wrote:

Example of abandoned technology:

[image: Inline image 1]

On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 4:25 PM, Richard J. Williams
pundits...@gmail.com wrote:

So, the Obamacare web site isn't working too well - what else is
new?

Sometimes it's hell working in IT - for years I tried to get the
enrollment systems right at a major community college.

When I first got there, they were enrolling students using paper and
pen and long lines standing out in the sun. Teachers would be sitting at
long tables enrolling students one by one - it took all day just to
enroll
in a few courses.

Enrollment was hell back then!

Then, we got our first PC - an IBM running on DOS. Instructors would
walk all the way across campus just to look at it, not use it, just
look at
it. The college IT director couldn't understand what we were going to do
with all that hard drive space!

Today, there are over 5,000 PCs on the main campus and another 5,000
spread out over twenty computer labs on five campuses.

And, enrollment is still hell!

The school has at least three Oracle databases for student
enrollment, one for credit card payments, personal data like adds and
drops, grades, and the online library database, and then the course
database. Not to mention the 3,000 online courses using the Blackboard
database! Who do they think is going to run all this technology with me
gone? Go figure.

Somebody

Re: [FairfieldLife] What Men Want to Do

Shocking new study!

Aptly titled My eyes are up here, lead researcher Sarah Gervais' study
found that men like looking at women's large breasts. For extended periods
of time...

'Science Confirms Men Love Staring at Boobs'
http://newsfeed.time.com/2013/10/29/shocking-study-confirms-men-love-looking-at-boobs/


On Sat, Dec 28, 2013 at 10:37 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote:



 Another interesting article, Richard. It would be interesting though to
 know the average age of the respondents. I don't think my Dad would agree!
 he'll be 86 at the end of February.




   On Saturday, December 28, 2013 6:57 AM, Richard Williams 
 pundits...@gmail.com wrote:

  For a long time, women have fought -- and are still fighting -- to
 overcome gender roles and expectations. However, it's important to remember
 that rigid ideas about what men and women should or shouldn't do isn't
 just bad for women.

 Read more:

 '11 'Girly' Things Men Wish They Could Do Without Judgment'
 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/reddithttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/26/gender-roles-men-reddit_n_4504083.html
 /

[FairfieldLife] For Salyavin

Thanks so much for your info on Yorkshire. From what you said and from one 
brief visit there a long time ago I think it will make a nice change from 
London even though I adore that city. My sister lives in LA and gets all sorts 
of house exchange offers all over the world so this one where we will be 
staying in in Hebden Bridge. Here are a couple of links: 
 

 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-16962898 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-16962898 

 

 http://www.hebdenbridge.co.uk/tourist-info/index.html 
http://www.hebdenbridge.co.uk/tourist-info/index.html

 

 http://vimeo.com/62343384 http://vimeo.com/62343384

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam



 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote:

  Oh, and of course you were never around Robin during his enlightened days 
  anyway. 

 No one was. There *were* no enlightened days. There was only Narcissistic 
Personality Disorder acting itself out. 
 

 Hee, hee, says Bawwy who was over on the other side of the border going gaga 
over Rama at this same time. Not only are you an expert on Robin but now 
you're that guy who was bewitched by a (supposedly) levitating drug addict. Now 
why don't you tell us, again, all about how you determine so precisely the 
state of everyone's consciousness, whether you ever set eyes on them or not. 
Snort.

Or do you believe that he *was* enlightened? Please state your position for the 
record. A simple Yes or No will suffice. Anything else will be perceived as 
the evasion it is. 
 

 I'll tell you what I think just because you like to read what I write so much, 
hang on every word and write posts especially for my benefit. I don't think 
there is such a thing as enlightenment, it doesn't exist. But I do believe in 
states of desperate ignorance.

   What's NPS, and how were you in a position to think Robin had it, 
  whatever it is? 
 
  As for Robin, yes I found him extraordinary in many ways. Whether he had 
 classic NPS, I couldn't say, but it sure seemed that way to me much of the 
 time. But then again, it doesn't register with me much if a person is said to 
 be enlightened or not.

[FairfieldLife] Re: For Bhairitu

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote:

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote:

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@ wrote:

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote:

On 02/07/2014 10:01 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote:

On 02/06/2014 05:30 PM, ultrarishi wrote:

Ray Donovan is intense and gritty. Just our cup of tea. Didn't
overly pander like some cable shows with excessive tits and ass and
violence because, after all, it's cable and it's why people go there.
Just good story telling, excellent stars and writing.

Great show and I'll miss the next season. Didn't watch Homeland either
due to cutting the cable. Interesting take on the kind of person who
actually exists in Hollywood to clean up things after a big star
blows it.

*/I'm off work today, so I downloaded Ray Donovan and have now
watched the first three episodes. I'm hooked, and will watch the rest.
Liev Schreiber is excellent, Paula Malcomson is always excellent, and
there are quite a few familiar faces popping up among the rest of the
cast, such as Steven Bauer and Elliot Gould. Still, it's Jon Voight
who kinda steals the show, as the most despicable human being you're
ever likely to see onscreen. I can only imagine that he'll get worse.

Good to chat with people about TV and movies they've actually seen.
Much better than dealing with people who know nothing whatsoever about
them, but repost month-old articles we've all already read before to
make it seem as if they do. :-)/*

That said I would expect you to be on top of this one. ;-)

http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-57618549-93/kickstarter-funded-film-reunites-joss-whedons-dollhouse-cast/

You would be correct, actually. :-) I have a 1080p full HD version of it
ready to watch tonight after dinner. I first heard about it on
whedonesque.com.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/jarettwieselman/dollhouse-alums-talk-life-in-the-whedonverse-or-whedonverse

Haven't seen it, though, so unlike the person on this forum who likes to
comment about films she's never seen, I can't give you a review yet. :-)

That's right Bawwy, sit your ass down and watch some more TV. Wow, your life
sounds like a frigging nightmare. Is there really nothing for you to actually
DO? Have you really accomplished everything you wanted to in your life that
you can afford to sit like a lump in front of a small screen for hours on
end? Is there nothing you can imagine that might give you any sort of
pleasure other than sitting in coffee houses or staring at moving pictures?
Phew, you aren't quite dead yet so there is still time to milk some of what
this life has to offer that doesn't include sitting down all day focussing on
a world that doesn't include breathing, warm human beings.

I got *paid*, by seven different clients so far, for my review of Lust For
Love. The mini-reviews I wrote here and for the IMDB were freebies. I've also
gotten paid for reviews of several of the TV shows and movies I've mentioned
here recently.

You're still sitting on your ass, watching a form of entertainment that
precludes being with and interacting with others, Bawwy. You evidently don't
know how to pick up a screwdriver or make an omelette or to do anything
remotely productive. Watching TV all day and writing mini-reviews changes
nothing. I'd like to know what you've done for anyone lately, what new interest
that doesn't include sitting on your ass in front of a screen flashing illusory
images has come your way. I'd like to know how you can justify spending your
days and nights staring at a screen of one type or another.

How much did you get paid to snark once again on someone you don't like, just
because you can't get over being called a cunt? You do know that you're
demonstrating being one every time you post one of these ad hoc gotta get
Bawwy posts, don't you?

Paid? Why I don't get paid anything for that, Bawwy. But then I don't need to
get paid for it. Have you ever considered that getting payment for something
does not equate with time well spent? Whores and drug dealers get paid too. But
if you're asking, and you appear to be, I get paid for lots of other things -
things that mean I have to lift my derriere off the sofa once in a while.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Technology

The Glyph headset is weird-looking and expensive, but amazingly immersive.
...

'The Future of Personal Entertainment'
MIT Technology Review:
http://www.technologyreview.com/news/523966/the-future-of-personal-entertainment-in-your-face/

On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 8:34 AM, Pundit Sir pundits...@gmail.com wrote:

The End of the Swipe-and-Sign Credit Card

http://blogs.wsj.com/corporate-intelligence/http://blogs.wsj.com/corporate-intelligence/2014/02/06/october-2015-the-end-of-the-swipe-and-sign-credit-card/

On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 10:52 AM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

Plus maybe you'll be able to use it as a radiation detector:

http://www.npr.org/blogs/alltechconsidered/2014/01/17/263369742/weekly-innovation-a-radiation-detector-in-your-smartphone

On 01/31/2014 07:19 AM, Richard Williams wrote:

Meet the $38 tablet: Hands-on with DataWind's UbiSlate 7Ci

http://shopping.yahoo.com/datawind-ubislatehttp://shopping.yahoo.com/blogs/digital-crave/meet-38-tablet-hands-datawind-ubislate-7ci-185612468.html

On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 7:48 AM, Richard Williams
pundits...@gmail.comwrote:

What People Want

YES! I don't want a curved phone. I want one that won't break when
dropped, is waterproof, and that I can see in the sun. And with all-day
battery life...

https://twitter.com/GPollowitz/statuses/423787604559945728

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On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 7:09 AM, Richard Williams
pundits...@gmail.comwrote:

Twitter at 3:00 AM

'There Are Things You Do On Twitter That Should Only Be Done At 3' AM'
http://www.newstimes.com/technology/business/insider/

On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 4:04 PM, Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com
wrote:

The anti-NSA smartphone?

[image: Inline image 1]

Blackphone at Popular Mechanics

Of course, perfect encryption (which many argue isn't even
possible) is a two-way street. Whether calling, emailing, or texting, the
level of security is dependent on what tech or services are being used on
the other end of the line.

On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 6:57 PM, Richard Williams
pundits...@gmail.com wrote:

Galaxy Nexus 16GB (Unlocked)

Lack of an SD card slot and only 16GB of internal memory. This is
the only thing that bothers me. However USB OTG solves part of this
problem
(with a special cable, you can plug in an external mass storage device --
this does not currently work without rooting, but official support will
be
included in a future firmware update as confirmed by Google). - Amazon
review:

http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-I9250-Galaxy-Nexus-Unlocked/http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-I9250-Galaxy-Nexus-Unlocked/product-reviews/B005ZEF01A/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?showViewpoints=1

On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 12:07 PM, Richard Williams
pundits...@gmail.com wrote:

Example of abandoned technology:

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On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 4:25 PM, Richard J. Williams
pundits...@gmail.com wrote:

So, the Obamacare web site isn't working too well - what else is
new?

Sometimes it's hell working in IT - for years I tried to get the
enrollment systems right at a major community college.

When I first got there, they were enrolling students using paper
and pen and long lines standing out in the sun. Teachers would be
sitting
at long tables enrolling students one by one - it took all day just to
enroll in a few courses.

Enrollment was hell back then!

Then, we got our first PC - an IBM running on DOS. Instructors
would walk all the way across campus just to look at it, not use it,
just
look at it. The college IT director couldn't understand what we were
going
to do with all that hard drive space!

Today, there are over 5,000 PCs on the main campus and another
5,000 spread out over twenty computer labs on five campuses.

And, enrollment is still hell!

The school has at least three Oracle databases for

[FairfieldLife] Now it can be told ... the truth about Vedic/Tantric deities or angry Semetic gods!

2014-02-08 Thread emptybill


 The Big Board - by Kilgore Trout
 

 … It was about an Earthling man and woman who were kidnapped by 
extra-terrestrials. They were put on display in a zoo on a planet called 
Zircon-212.
 

 These fictitious people in the zoo had a big board supposedly showing stock 
market quotations and comodity prices along one wall of their habitat, and a 
news ticker, and a telephone that was supposedly connected to a brokerage on 
Earth. The creatures on Zircon-212 told their captives that they had invested a 
million dollars for them back on Earth, and that it was up to the captives to 
manage it so that they would be fabulously wealthy when they were returned to 
Earth.
The telephone and the big board and the ticker were all fakes, of course. They 
were simply stimulants to make the Earthlings perform vividly for the crowds at 
the zoo—to make them jump up and down and cheer, or gloat, or sulk, or tear 
their hair, to be scared shitless or to feel as contented as babies in their 
mothers’ arms.
 
The Earthlings did very well on paper. That was part of the rigging, of course. 
And religion got mixed up in it, too. The news ticker reminded them that the 
President of the United States had declared National Prayer Week, and that 
everybody should pray. The Earthlings had had a bad week on the market before 
that. They had lost a small fortune in olive oil futures. So they gave praying 
a whirl.
 
It worked. Olive oil went up.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Life's big moment!

(-: to salyavin

On Saturday, February 8, 2014 7:14 AM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
wrote:

Oh, I'm not 'anti' anything, I just like pointing out their stupidities,
shortcomings and idiosyncrasies. I'll always like meditating, it's probably the
only thing that keeps me insane.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote:

salyavin, yes you would say that. And that's a good thing. One of the fun and
fascinating aspects of FFL is your contribution. You're even kind of nice when
you're anti TM (-:

On Saturday, February 8, 2014 7:00 AM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
wrote:

There's no need to bring any
spiritual realm into it as the concept of spirit only evolved with the
development of the brain and conceptual consciousness. But I would say that ;-)

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote:

Fascinating article, salyavin, one that I'd like to take into the philosophical
and spiritual realms. But for right now, I'm content to just be marveling.
OTOH, are they saying that it was all one big accident?!

On Saturday, February 8, 2014 1:10 AM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
wrote:

There's a fundamental mystery at the core of our evolution. No, it's not how we
went from fuzzy shrews to humans — it's how bacteria made the jump from
single-celled existence to something more complex. The weird part is that
evolutionary jump only happened once.
Over at Nautilus, Ed Yong has a terrific essay about that moment, roughly 2
billion years ago, when bacteria made an incredible evolutionary leap. It put
them on a path that eventually led to the
evolution of complex, multicellular animals like us. But how the hell did it
happen.
Yong writes about a new theory that could shed light on the most important
missing link in our history as animals. Here's how he starts:
http://io9.com/the-most-important-moment-in-the-evolution-of-life-1517890220?utm_campaign=socialflow_io9_facebookamp;utm_source=io9_facebookamp;utm_medium=socialflow

[FairfieldLife] RE: For Salyavin



 Oh nice, I know Hebden bridge, went for a day out there from Skelmersdale when 
I was hanging with the movement. Proper nice country town with loads of great 
walks in every direction. You can't go wrong. Unless you get lost on the 
moors 
 

 Apart from the Yorkshire Dales which is a must visit, you're just north of the 
Peak District national park which is a stirring landscape and, depending when 
you go, can be really windswept and bleak, I like that sort of thing and always 
tend to holiday out of season as it's less crowded and more dramatic. Spring 
and summer are the same as anywhere else in England. Lots of nice towns to 
visit like Buxton and Bakewell. There will be tourist info centres with maps of 
the best walks. And tea rooms galore!
 

 Didn't know about the Hebden lesbian scene though. Probably why I never got 
lucky on holiday. Ahem...

 

 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote:

 Thanks so much for your info on Yorkshire. From what you said and from one 
brief visit there a long time ago I think it will make a nice change from 
London even though I adore that city. My sister lives in LA and gets all sorts 
of house exchange offers all over the world so this one where we will be 
staying in in Hebden Bridge. Here are a couple of links: 

 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-16962898 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-16962898 

 

 http://www.hebdenbridge.co.uk/tourist-info/index.html 
http://www.hebdenbridge.co.uk/tourist-info/index.html

 

 http://vimeo.com/62343384 http://vimeo.com/62343384

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Country Chuckles

Richard, and some days you are the imploding space between the two!





On Saturday, February 8, 2014 7:46 AM, Pundit Sir pundits...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  
Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield.- Will Rogers



On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 7:33 AM, Pundit Sir pundits...@gmail.com wrote:

Good judgment comes from bad experience, and a lot of that comes from bad 
judgment.- Will Rogers



On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 7:42 AM, Pundit Sir pundits...@gmail.com wrote:

If you drink, don't park; accidents cause people. - Will Rogers




On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 9:47 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote:

 
  
Hey Richard, I just found out that Will Rogers was Native American or what 
the Canadians call First Nations. What a wonderful thinker he was. Thanks so 
much for posting these.







On Wednesday, February 5, 2014 8:51 AM, Pundit Sir pundits...@gmail.com 
wrote:
 
  
If you tell the truth, you don't have to remember anything. - Will Rogers



On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 3:26 PM, Pundit Sir pundits...@gmail.com wrote:

Don't squat with your spurs on.- Will Rogers



On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 8:34 AM, Pundit Sir pundits...@gmail.com wrote:

If you lend someone $20, and never see that person again, it was probably 
worth it. - Will Rogers



On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 8:59 AM, Pundit Sir pundits...@gmail.com wrote:

Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day. Teach him to fish, and he 
will sit in a boat and drink beer all day. - Will Rogers



On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 6:24 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote:

 
  
LOL, Richard, thanks, hope you have a good week...







On Sunday, February 2, 2014 10:10 PM, Pundit Sir pundits...@gmail.com 
wrote:
 
  
If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you. - Will Rogers



On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 12:53 PM, Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com 
wrote:

Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. 
That way, when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their 
shoes. - Will Rogers



On Sat, Feb 1, 2014 at 7:26 PM, Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com 
wrote:

If you think nobody cares if you're alive, try missing a couple of car 
payments. - Will Rogers



On Sat, Feb 1, 2014 at 7:39 AM, Richard Williams 
pundits...@gmail.com wrote:

It is far more impressive when others discover your good qualities 
without your help.- Will Rogers



On Sat, Feb 1, 2014 at 6:49 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com 
wrote:

 
  
Another great Will Rogers quote, Richard, thanks







On Friday, January 31, 2014 7:51 PM, Richard Williams 
pundits...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  
It may be that your sole purpose in life is simply to serve as a 
warning to others.- Will Rogers




On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 9:23 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com 
wrote:

 
  
Wonderful, LOL, thanks Richard. Thanks to Will too (-:







On Friday, January 31, 2014 9:22 AM, Richard Williams 
pundits...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  
Never test the depth of the water with both feet. - Will Rogers



On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 8:39 AM, Richard Williams 
pundits...@gmail.com wrote:

Don't be irreplaceable. If you can't be replaced, you can't be 
promoted.- Will Rogers



On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 7:28 PM, Richard Williams 
pundits...@gmail.com wrote:

It's always darkest before dawn. So if you're going to steal your 
neighbor's newspaper, that's the time to do it. - Will Rogers




On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 5:37 PM, Richard Williams 
pundits...@gmail.com wrote:

In case you are worried about what is going to become of the 
younger generation, it is going to grow up and start worrying 
about the younger generation.




On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 8:13 AM, Richard Williams 
pundits...@gmail.com wrote:

Always remember you're unique. Just like everyone else.- Will 
Rogers



On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 9:27 AM, Richard J. Williams 
pundits...@gmail.com wrote:

On 1/7/2014 6:01 PM, Richard Williams wrote:

The journey of a thousand miles begins with a broken fan belt 
and a leaky tire. - Will Rogers

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

I wonder how many more times Barry will need to get shot down in flames before 
it dawns on him that he appears a screeching, babbling idiot.
 

 No one was. There *were* no enlightened days. There was only Narcissistic 
Personality Disorder acting itself out.
 

 Hee, hee, says Bawwy who was over on the other side of the border going gaga 
over Rama at this same time. Not only are you an expert on Robin but now 
you're that guy who was bewitched by a (supposedly) levitating drug addict. Now 
why don't you tell us, again, all about how you determine so precisely the 
state of everyone's consciousness, whether you ever set eyes on them or not. 
Snort.

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: News You Can Use

A new study says that educated people marrying each other has increased
inequality by 25 percent:

Okay, it probably isn't fair to blame Billy Crystal and Meg Ryan for our
widening income gap. But it is fair to say that When Harry Met Sally tells
us something about why the rich have been getting so much richer than
everyone else. That's high-earning college grads marrying each other--which
a new paper estimates has increased inequality by 25 percent.

'How When Harry Met Sally Explains Inequality'
http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2014/02/how-i-when-harry-met-sally-i-explains-inequality/283517/

On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 11:58 AM, Pundit Sir pundits...@gmail.com wrote:

It's good to be rich. Not just because of the obvious things that having
money can buy you, but because according to new results revealed from the
Spanish National Sexual Health Survey found that your socioeconomic status
actually impacts how happy you are with your sex life.

'It's Science: Rich Women Are Having Hotter Sex'
http://www.yourtango.com/dating-sex-study-rich-women-have-hotter-sex

On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 10:26 AM, Ann Woelfle Bater
awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote:

Yes Richard, we are a bit slow this morning. We'll try and speed it up
next time. But it would be helpful if you could clarify which tube you want
it to go down.

On Friday, October 18, 2013 8:24:14 AM, Richard J. Williams
pundits...@gmail.com wrote:

It took only about an hour for this thread to go down the tubes. Now
that's better!

On 10/18/2013 10:10 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote:

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,
j_alexander_stanley@...j_alexander_stanley@...wrote:

In order to maintain balance in the Universe, I don't do asanas before
not going to the dome to meditate. You're welcome.

Ditto here.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.comfairfieldlife@yahoogroups.comwrote:

*S**o evidently it would be very good to at least do asanas more
vigorously. Regularly.*
*I do asanas every morning before I go to the Dome to meditate.*
*Don't you?*
*-Buck*

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam



 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote:

 Judy, Robin himself called his alleged enlightenment a delusion. So I think 
it's inaccurate to use the phrase enlightened days.
 

 Here is the important point Share: Robin believes true enlightenment to be a 
delusion, an illusion. It is not that he is saying he wasn't enlightened in the 
sense that MMY or others who understand the kind of enlightenment the East 
embraces, it is that that state is a delusional state. Here is the crux: it is 
not that he believes himself to have been delusional to think he was 
enlightened, he would still maintain that he was enlightened, it is just that 
enlightenment is not something he feels is a positive state to be in.
 

 
 
 On Friday, February 7, 2014 8:04 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote:
 
   Oh, and of course you were never around Robin during his enlightened days 
anyway.
 

  What's NPS, and how were you in a position to think Robin had it, 
whatever it is?
 
  As for Robin, yes I found him extraordinary in many ways. Whether he had 
classic NPS, I couldn't say, but it sure seemed that way to me much of the 
time.  But then again, it doesn't register with me much if a person is said to 
be enlightened or not.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam



 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote:

 You misunderstood him, Share (even as many times as he explained it). He 
called enlightenment per se a delusion--his, Maharishi's, anybody's. He did not 
say he was deluded to believe he was enlightened.
 

 OK, just read this now after posting my own description for Share. You managed 
to state it far more simply and elegantly than I did. I probably just made it 
sound confusing...
 

  Judy, Robin himself called his alleged enlightenment a delusion. So I think 
it's inaccurate to use the phrase enlightened days. 
 

 
 
 On Friday, February 7, 2014 8:04 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote:
 
   Oh, and of course you were never around Robin during his enlightened days 
anyway.
 

  What's NPS, and how were you in a position to think Robin had it, 
whatever it is?
 
  As for Robin, yes I found him extraordinary in many ways. Whether he had 
classic NPS, I couldn't say, but it sure seemed that way to me much of the 
time.  But then again, it doesn't register with me much if a person is said to 
be enlightened or not.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam



 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote:

 I am sorry that I did not make it more clear that I've only known Robin from 
the period that he was posting here.  I left FF and MIU shortly before he made 
his big splash there.
 

 I did know one lady with whom I had a bit of a crush, Judy G, who I Iearned 
became involved with Robin's group.  I don't know if Anne or anyone else may 
know what happened to her?
 

 I would know if I recognized a Judy G but that is not ringing any bells.
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote:

 That makes two of us. Why did you accuse me of trying to start silliness 
with you when all I did was state a simple fact, that you didn't know Robin 
during his enlightened period? Far as I'm aware, there's no argument about that 
point, and I wasn't expecting a response. I have no idea what you misunderstood 
about what I wrote.
 

  Judy, I have no idea what you are talking about.  But, please, proceed 
according to your fancy. 
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote:

 I beg your pardon? What exactly is your objection to the statement of a simple 
fact? There was no response from you required.
 

 Judy, go start you silliness with someone else, please.  
 Oh, and of course you were never around Robin during his enlightened days 
anyway.
 

  What's NPS, and how were you in a position to think Robin had it, 
whatever it is?
 
  As for Robin, yes I found him extraordinary in many ways. Whether he had 
classic NPS, I couldn't say, but it sure seemed that way to me much of the 
time.  But then again, it doesn't register with me much if a person is said to 
be enlightened or not.

[FairfieldLife] RE: For Salyavin



 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 

 Oh nice, I know Hebden bridge, went for a day out there from Skelmersdale when 
I was hanging with the movement. Proper nice country town with loads of great 
walks in every direction. You can't go wrong. Unless you get lost on the 
moors 
 

 Apart from the Yorkshire Dales which is a must visit, you're just north of the 
Peak District national park which is a stirring landscape and, depending when 
you go, can be really windswept and bleak, I like that sort of thing and always 
tend to holiday out of season as it's less crowded and more dramatic. Spring 
and summer are the same as anywhere else in England. Lots of nice towns to 
visit like Buxton and Bakewell. There will be tourist info centres with maps of 
the best walks. And tea rooms galore!
 

 Didn't know about the Hebden lesbian scene though. Probably why I never got 
lucky on holiday. Ahem...

 

 Heh, good one. Thanks again for the info, I'll send you pictures, maybe even 
of a lesbian or two. We aren't traveling until August but I'll keep you posted.
 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote:

 Thanks so much for your info on Yorkshire. From what you said and from one 
brief visit there a long time ago I think it will make a nice change from 
London even though I adore that city. My sister lives in LA and gets all sorts 
of house exchange offers all over the world so this one where we will be 
staying in in Hebden Bridge. Here are a couple of links: 

 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-16962898 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-16962898 

 

 http://www.hebdenbridge.co.uk/tourist-info/index.html 
http://www.hebdenbridge.co.uk/tourist-info/index.html

 

 http://vimeo.com/62343384 http://vimeo.com/62343384

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  awoecultist wrote:

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@ wrote:
  
   Judy, Robin himself called his alleged enlightenment a delusion. So
I think it's inaccurate to use the phrase enlightened days.

  Here is the important point Share: Robin believes true
enlightenment to be a delusion, an illusion. It is not that he is
saying he wasn't enlightened in the sense that MMY or others who
understand the kind of enlightenment the East embraces, it is that that
state is a delusional state. Here is the crux: it is not that he
believes himself to have been delusional to think he was enlightened, he
would still maintain that he was enlightened, it is just that
enlightenment is not something he feels is a positive state to be in.

And on this forum, only two people believe him. Fascinating that they
turn out to be the two gullible women who became his cult followers. One
signed on to his delusions here, the other 30 years ago, and then
*again* here, which should tell you a little about *her* sanity.

As far as I can tell, pretty much everyone else considers him a nut
case. Some were entertained by his insanity and his ramblings and
considered him a harmless nutcase, and others felt differently. But only
two people seem to have taken him seriously. And they continue to
defend him to this day like the hard-core cultists they've become. Go
figure...

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam



 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote:

 I wonder how many more times Barry will need to get shot down in flames before 
it dawns on him that he appears a screeching, babbling idiot.
 

 Let's sincerely hope never. I speak only for myself but I find reading Bawwy 
to be one of the most hilarious parts of my day. Granted, he's an easy target 
and hitting a bullseye is not challenging with him but he is just so darn 
tempting to take aim at when he stumble bumbles around like he does. I am going 
to go say a few Hail Marys though, because I am a bad, bad girl (perhaps even a 
mean girl) for giving into temptation when it comes to wanting to wallop him.
 

 No one was. There *were* no enlightened days. There was only Narcissistic 
Personality Disorder acting itself out.
 

 Hee, hee, says Bawwy who was over on the other side of the border going gaga 
over Rama at this same time. Not only are you an expert on Robin but now 
you're that guy who was bewitched by a (supposedly) levitating drug addict. Now 
why don't you tell us, again, all about how you determine so precisely the 
state of everyone's consciousness, whether you ever set eyes on them or not. 
Snort.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam



 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote:

 Judy, Robin himself called that experience a delusion. Thus I think it's 
inaccurate to refer to it as genuine enlightenment.
 

 See my later post about this to you. And I am not saying I agree with Robin 
only that his experience was his experience. As far as I'm concerned there is 
no enlightenment. There are various levels  of perception, understanding, 
knowledge  and realization that human beings can arrive at but I am reluctant 
to embrace the idea that there are levels that can be named like cc, uc etc. I 
believe life to be waaa more complex and nuanced than that. 
 

 
 
 On Saturday, February 8, 2014 6:48 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote:
 
   Oh, that's rich, coming from FFL's inveterate liar.
 

 As far as I'm aware, no one here has any basis for thinking Robin was anything 
but completely honest in his posts.
 

 Actually, don't we have only their word on it that Maharishi said that? 
 

 Robin's word is worth nothing

 

 Why is it that the idea that Robin experienced a period of genuine 
enlightenment 30-some years ago so upsets Barry? Barry didn't know him then. 
None of us did, except Ann. Why does Barry care so desperately?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

Judy and Ann, ok, let me try this and tell me if my logic is off and if so, 
where it is off:
Robin said he was enlightened.
Robin also said that enlightenment is a delusion.
Therefore Robin was saying that he was actually deluded rather than enlightened.

I also want to add that I recognize that I'm triggered by all this. I mean, why 
should Robin get to be special by being enlightened? And then be even more 
special by getting rid of his enlightenment?! How special does one person have 
to be?!





On Saturday, February 8, 2014 10:52 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com 
awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
  




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote:


You misunderstood him, Share (even as many times as he explained it). He called 
enlightenment per se a delusion--his, Maharishi's, anybody's. He did not say he 
was deluded to believe he was enlightened.

OK, just read this now after posting my own description for Share. You managed 
to state it far more simply and elegantly than I did. I probably just made it 
sound confusing...

 Judy, Robin himself called his alleged enlightenment a delusion. So I think 
it's inaccurate to use the phrase enlightened days. 





On Friday, February 7, 2014 8:04 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote:

 
Oh, and of course you were never around Robin during his enlightened days 
anyway.

 What's NPS, and how were you in a position to think Robin had it, whatever 
it is?


 As for Robin, yes I found him extraordinary in many ways. Whether he had 
classic NPS, I couldn't say, but it sure seemed that way to me much of the 
time.  But then again, it doesn't register with me much if a person
is said to be enlightened or not.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam



 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoecultist wrote:
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@ wrote: 
  
  Judy, Robin himself called his alleged enlightenment a delusion. So I think 
  it's inaccurate to use the phrase enlightened days. 
 
 Here is the important point Share: Robin believes true enlightenment to be 
 a delusion, an illusion. It is not that he is saying he wasn't enlightened in 
 the sense that MMY or others who understand the kind of enlightenment the 
 East embraces, it is that that state is a delusional state. Here is the crux: 
 it is not that he believes himself to have been delusional to think he was 
 enlightened, he would still maintain that he was enlightened, it is just that 
 enlightenment is not something he feels is a positive state to be in. 

 And on this forum, only two people believe him. Fascinating that they turn out 
to be the two gullible women who became his cult followers. One signed on to 
his delusions here, the other 30 years ago, and then *again* here, which should 
tell you a little about *her* sanity. 

As far as I can tell, pretty much everyone else considers him a nut case. Some 
were entertained by his insanity and his ramblings and considered him a 
harmless nutcase, and others felt differently. But only two people seem to have 
taken him seriously. And they continue to defend him to this day like the 
hard-core cultists they've become. Go figure...
 

 Hey dumbo, since you don't seem to have any reading comprehension I'll say it 
one more time, just for you: I don't think there is any such thing as 
enlightenment. Is Robin a nutcase? I have no idea, he certainly acted like 
one at times 30 years ago. Are you a nutcase? I have no idea but you certainly 
act like one all the time currently.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

Absolutely correct. He was insistent that enlightenment is a real state of 
consciousness, and that he was in this state for 10-plus years. What he says he 
came to realize is that the state itself is delusional--the experience of being 
one with God, the identification with Self rather than self, and so on, 
everything Maharishi describes, is a trick, a seduction engineered by dark 
forces that do not have the welfare of human beings at heart. It's all very 
real--including the special powers, the mastery of nature--but it leads away 
from God.
 

 And that, of course, is why he spent 25 years attempting--apparently 
successfully--to break the unholy spell and pull himself out of that state back 
into ordinary consciousness.
 

 He made these points over and over in his posts. How anyone could read those 
posts and come away with the notion that he was saying he was deluded to think 
he was enlightened is just beyond me. People understand what they want to 
understand, I guess.
 

 Whether one finds Robin's analysis convincing or not, it's what he believed on 
the basis of extraordinarily painful experience, and should not be 
misrepresented or denigrated.
 

  Judy, Robin himself called his alleged enlightenment a delusion. So I think 
it's inaccurate to use the phrase enlightened days.
 

 Here is the important point Share: Robin believes true enlightenment to be a 
delusion, an illusion. It is not that he is saying he wasn't enlightened in the 
sense that MMY or others who understand the kind of enlightenment the East 
embraces, it is that that state is a delusional state. Here is the crux: it is 
not that he believes himself to have been delusional to think he was 
enlightened, he would still maintain that he was enlightened, it is just that 
enlightenment is not something he feels is a positive state to be in. 
 

 
 
 On Friday, February 7, 2014 8:04 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote:
 
   Oh, and of course you were never around Robin during his enlightened days 
anyway.
 

  What's NPS, and how were you in a position to think Robin had it, 
whatever it is?
 
  As for Robin, yes I found him extraordinary in many ways. Whether he had 
classic NPS, I couldn't say, but it sure seemed that way to me much of the 
time.  But then again, it doesn't register with me much if a person is said to 
be enlightened or not.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

Judy, do you think Robin thinks ALL forms of realization, awakening, 
enlightenment, etc. in ALL traditions are a delusion?




On Saturday, February 8, 2014 11:28 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com 
authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
  
Absolutely correct. He was insistent that enlightenment is a real state of 
consciousness, and that he was in this state for 10-plus years. What he says he 
came to realize is that the state itself is delusional--the experience of being 
one with God, the identification with Self rather than self, and so on, 
everything Maharishi describes, is a trick, a seduction engineered by dark 
forces that do not have the welfare of human beings at heart. It's all very 
real--including the special powers, the mastery of nature--but it leads away 
from God.

And that, of course, is why he spent 25 years attempting--apparently 
successfully--to break the unholy spell and pull himself out of that state back 
into ordinary consciousness.

He made these points over and over in his posts. How anyone could read those 
posts and come away with the notion that he was saying he was deluded to think 
he was enlightened is just beyond me. People understand what they want to 
understand, I guess.

Whether one finds Robin's analysis convincing or not, it's what he believed on 
the basis of extraordinarily painful experience, and should not be 
misrepresented or denigrated.

 Judy, Robin himself called his alleged enlightenment a delusion. So I think 
it's inaccurate to use the phrase enlightened days.

Here is the important point Share: Robin believes true enlightenment to be a 
delusion, an illusion. It is not that he is saying he wasn't enlightened in the 
sense that MMY or others who understand the kind of enlightenment the East 
embraces, it is that that state is a delusional state. Here is the crux: it is 
not that he believes himself to have been delusional to think he was 
enlightened, he would still maintain that he was enlightened, it is just that 
enlightenment is not something he feels is a positive state to be in. 





On Friday, February 7, 2014 8:04 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote:

 
Oh, and of course you were never around Robin during his enlightened days 
anyway.


 What's NPS, and how were you in a position to think Robin had it, 
whatever it is?


 As for Robin, yes I found him extraordinary in many ways. Whether he had 
classic NPS, I couldn't say, but it sure seemed that way to me much of the 
time.  But then again, it doesn't register with me much if a person
is said to be enlightened or not.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam



 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote:

 Judy and Ann, ok, let me try this and tell me if my logic is off and if so, 
where it is off:
Robin said he was enlightened.
Robin also said that enlightenment is a delusion.
Therefore Robin was saying that he was actually deluded rather than enlightened.
 

 No, he is saying that the state of enlightenment is the state of delusion.

I also want to add that I recognize that I'm triggered by all this. I mean, why 
should Robin get to be special by being enlightened? And then be even more 
special by getting rid of his enlightenment?! How special does one person have 
to be?!
 

 I am not sure where you are getting the impression that he himself or anyone 
else thinks Robin is special because he became deluded/enlightened. I certainly 
don't. I feel badly for him because he has suffered through so much of it. 
Whether that suffering was self imposed or not I can not judge. But he 
apparently felt it imperative to liberate himself from under the 
delusion/enlightenment he was under so that is his prerogative and his 
business. I neither applaud or condemn him. And like I have said many times 
already I don't believe in a state of enlightenment so the whole point is 
rather moot for me.
 

 
 
 On Saturday, February 8, 2014 10:52 AM, awoelflebater@... 
awoelflebater@... wrote:
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote:

 You misunderstood him, Share (even as many times as he explained it). He 
called enlightenment per se a delusion--his, Maharishi's, anybody's. He did not 
say he was deluded to believe he was enlightened.
 

 OK, just read this now after posting my own description for Share. You managed 
to state it far more simply and elegantly than I did. I probably just made it 
sound confusing...
 

  Judy, Robin himself called his alleged enlightenment a delusion. So I think 
it's inaccurate to use the phrase enlightened days. 
 

 
 
 On Friday, February 7, 2014 8:04 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote:
 
   Oh, and of course you were never around Robin during his enlightened days 
anyway.
 

  What's NPS, and how were you in a position to think Robin had it, 
whatever it is?
 
  As for Robin, yes I found him extraordinary in many ways. Whether he had 
classic NPS, I couldn't say, but it sure seemed that way to me much of the 
time.  But then again, it doesn't register with me much if a person is said to 
be enlightened or not.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

I can't say as I'm surprised, but no, you aren't getting it, Share. I think 
you're determined not to get it because of your personal animus against Robin, 
which shows up so clearly in your last paragraph.
 

 Here's where your logic is off: the words rather than. As far as Robin is 
concerned, there is no such thing as enlightenment that isn't a delusion. If 
you're enlightened, you've been deluded. And that (as I already said) includes 
Maharishi and anyone else who has ever been enlightened.
 

 I doubt that'll help. You're never going to understand where Robin was coming 
from unless you manage to exorcise your personal hatred of him.
 

 You might also want to ask yourself why you're triggered by the idea of a 
person being special in some sense. I suspect it's because you want to be 
thought of as special but don't seem to be able to make the grade no matter how 
hard you try. (At least special in a positive sense.) And the idea that a 
person you loathe and despise might be special when you aren't makes you so 
angry you can't see straight. I'd guess Barry has the same problem. 
 

  Judy and Ann, ok, let me try this and tell me if my logic is off and if so, 
where it is off:
Robin said he was enlightened.
Robin also said that enlightenment is a delusion.
Therefore Robin was saying that he was actually deluded rather than enlightened.

I also want to add that I recognize that I'm triggered by all this. I mean, why 
should Robin get to be special by being enlightened? And then be even more 
special by getting rid of his enlightenment?! How special does one person have 
to be?! 
 

 These questions, BTW, make no sense at all just on their face.
 

 
 
 On Saturday, February 8, 2014 10:52 AM, awoelflebater@... 
awoelflebater@... wrote:
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote:

 You misunderstood him, Share (even as many times as he explained it). He 
called enlightenment per se a delusion--his, Maharishi's, anybody's. He did not 
say he was deluded to believe he was enlightened.
 

 OK, just read this now after posting my own description for Share. You managed 
to state it far more simply and elegantly than I did. I probably just made it 
sound confusing...
 

  Judy, Robin himself called his alleged enlightenment a delusion. So I think 
it's inaccurate to use the phrase enlightened days. 
 

 
 
 On Friday, February 7, 2014 8:04 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote:
 
   Oh, and of course you were never around Robin during his enlightened days 
anyway.
 

  What's NPS, and how were you in a position to think Robin had it, 
whatever it is?
 
  As for Robin, yes I found him extraordinary in many ways. Whether he had 
classic NPS, I couldn't say, but it sure seemed that way to me much of the 
time.  But then again, it doesn't register with me much if a person is said to 
be enlightened or not.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

Again we see Barry's perennial confusion between So-and-so said and What 
So-and-so said is true. No matter how many times it's explained to him, he 
simply cannot grasp the distinction, so he makes the same stpid mistake 
over and over.
 

 I believe Robin was sincere in what he said. I haven't any more of clue than 
Barry does, however--as I said earlier today--whether any of it was true in 
any real-world sense.
 
  And on this forum, only two people believe him. Fascinating that they turn 
out to be the two gullible women who became his cult followers. One signed on 
to his delusions here, the other 30 years ago, and then *again* here, which 
should tell you a little about *her* sanity.
 
As far as I can tell, pretty much everyone else considers him a nut case. 
 

 As with so many of Barry's pronouncements, the degree to which he can tell 
is exceedingly limited to nonexistent, especially with regard to someone by 
whom he is desperately, pee-in-his-pants threatened. What's truly pathetic is 
that Barry's terror increases the longer Robin is gone from FFL. The more he 
broods, the worse it gets, and the more of a fool he makes of himself trying to 
cut his fantasy monster-Robin down to something he can deal with.
 

 Oh, by the way, Barry, there was no cult to be a follower of on FFL. That's 
just part of your fantasy.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

Let me put it this way: He believes all forms of enlightenment, etc., that 
entail the experience of union with God are delusionary. His viewpoint is 
strictly Judeo-Christian in that regard: God is wholly, immutably Other; there 
can be no ontological union between human beings and God.
 

  Judy, do you think Robin thinks ALL forms of realization, awakening, 
enlightenment, etc. in ALL traditions are a delusion? 

 
 
 On Saturday, February 8, 2014 11:28 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... 
wrote:
 
   Absolutely correct. He was insistent that enlightenment is a real state of 
consciousness, and that he was in this state for 10-plus years. What he says he 
came to realize is that the state itself is delusional--the experience of being 
one with God, the identification with Self rather than self, and so on, 
everything Maharishi describes, is a trick, a seduction engineered by dark 
forces that do not have the welfare of human beings at heart. It's all very 
real--including the special powers, the mastery of nature--but it leads away 
from God.
 

 And that, of course, is why he spent 25 years attempting--apparently 
successfully--to break the unholy spell and pull himself out of that state back 
into ordinary consciousness.
 

 He made these points over and over in his posts. How anyone could read those 
posts and come away with the notion that he was saying he was deluded to think 
he was enlightened is just beyond me. People understand what they want to 
understand, I guess.
 

 Whether one finds Robin's analysis convincing or not, it's what he believed on 
the basis of extraordinarily painful experience, and should not be 
misrepresented or denigrated.
 

  Judy, Robin himself called his alleged enlightenment a delusion. So I think 
it's inaccurate to use the phrase enlightened days.
 

 Here is the important point Share: Robin believes true enlightenment to be a 
delusion, an illusion. It is not that he is saying he wasn't enlightened in the 
sense that MMY or others who understand the kind of enlightenment the East 
embraces, it is that that state is a delusional state. Here is the crux: it is 
not that he believes himself to have been delusional to think he was 
enlightened, he would still maintain that he was enlightened, it is just that 
enlightenment is not something he feels is a positive state to be in. 
 

 
 
 On Friday, February 7, 2014 8:04 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote:
 
   Oh, and of course you were never around Robin during his enlightened days 
anyway.
 

  What's NPS, and how were you in a position to think Robin had it, 
whatever it is?
 
  As for Robin, yes I found him extraordinary in many ways. Whether he had 
classic NPS, I couldn't say, but it sure seemed that way to me much of the 
time.  But then again, it doesn't register with me much if a person is said to 
be enlightened or not.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

Judy, does ontological union mean: due to their respective natures, there can 
be no union between God and human? And do you also believe that there can be no 
ontological union between God and human?

Another question: was Robin saying that he experienced union with God? 





On Saturday, February 8, 2014 12:32 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com 
authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
  
Let me put it this way: He believes all forms of enlightenment, etc., that 
entail the experience of union with God are delusionary. His viewpoint is 
strictly Judeo-Christian in that regard: God is wholly, immutably Other; there 
can be no ontological union between human beings and God.

 Judy, do you think Robin thinks ALL forms of realization, awakening, 
enlightenment, etc. in ALL traditions are a delusion? 




On Saturday, February 8, 2014 11:28 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote:

 
Absolutely correct. He was insistent that enlightenment is a real state of 
consciousness, and that he was in this state for 10-plus years. What he says he 
came to realize is that the state itself is delusional--the experience of being 
one with God, the identification with Self rather than self, and so on, 
everything Maharishi describes, is a trick, a seduction engineered by dark 
forces that do not have the welfare of human beings at heart. It's all very 
real--including the special powers, the mastery of nature--but it leads away 
from God.

And that, of course, is why he spent 25 years attempting--apparently 
successfully--to break the unholy spell and pull himself out of that state back 
into ordinary consciousness.

He made these points over and over in his posts. How anyone could read those 
posts and come away with the notion that he was saying he was deluded to think 
he was enlightened is just beyond me. People understand what they want to 
understand, I guess.

Whether one finds Robin's analysis convincing or not, it's what he believed on 
the basis of extraordinarily painful experience, and should not be 
misrepresented or denigrated.

 Judy, Robin himself called his alleged enlightenment a delusion. So I think 
it's inaccurate to use the phrase enlightened days.

Here is the important point Share: Robin believes true enlightenment to be a 
delusion, an illusion. It is not that he is saying he wasn't enlightened in the 
sense that MMY or others who understand the kind of enlightenment the East 
embraces, it is that that
state is a delusional state. Here is the crux: it is not that he believes 
himself to have been delusional to think he was enlightened, he would still 
maintain that he was enlightened, it is just that enlightenment is not 
something he feels is a positive state to be in. 





On Friday, February 7, 2014 8:04 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote:

 
Oh, and of course you were never around Robin during his enlightened days 
anyway.


 What's NPS, and how were you in a position to think Robin had it, 
whatever it is?


 As for Robin, yes I found him extraordinary in many ways. Whether he had 
classic NPS, I couldn't say, but it sure seemed that way to me much of the 
time.  But then again, it doesn't register with me much if a person
is said to be enlightened or not.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

Yes, that's what it means. Me, I haven't a clue. (What do my beliefs have to do 
with this?) Yes, Robin's experience was of union with God. He believes it was a 
delusion.
 
  Judy, does ontological union mean: due to their respective natures, there 
can be no union between God and human? And do you also believe that there can 
be no ontological union between God and human?

Another question: was Robin saying that he experienced union with God? 
 

 
 
 On Saturday, February 8, 2014 12:32 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... 
wrote:
 
   Let me put it this way: He believes all forms of enlightenment, etc., that 
entail the experience of union with God are delusionary. His viewpoint is 
strictly Judeo-Christian in that regard: God is wholly, immutably Other; there 
can be no ontological union between human beings and God.
 

  Judy, do you think Robin thinks ALL forms of realization, awakening, 
enlightenment, etc. in ALL traditions are a delusion? 

 
 
 On Saturday, February 8, 2014 11:28 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... 
wrote:
 
   Absolutely correct. He was insistent that enlightenment is a real state of 
consciousness, and that he was in this state for 10-plus years. What he says he 
came to realize is that the state itself is delusional--the experience of being 
one with God, the identification with Self rather than self, and so on, 
everything Maharishi describes, is a trick, a seduction engineered by dark 
forces that do not have the welfare of human beings at heart. It's all very 
real--including the special powers, the mastery of nature--but it leads away 
from God.
 

 And that, of course, is why he spent 25 years attempting--apparently 
successfully--to break the unholy spell and pull himself out of that state back 
into ordinary consciousness.
 

 He made these points over and over in his posts. How anyone could read those 
posts and come away with the notion that he was saying he was deluded to think 
he was enlightened is just beyond me. People understand what they want to 
understand, I guess.
 

 Whether one finds Robin's analysis convincing or not, it's what he believed on 
the basis of extraordinarily painful experience, and should not be 
misrepresented or denigrated.
 

  Judy, Robin himself called his alleged enlightenment a delusion. So I think 
it's inaccurate to use the phrase enlightened days.
 

 Here is the important point Share: Robin believes true enlightenment to be a 
delusion, an illusion. It is not that he is saying he wasn't enlightened in the 
sense that MMY or others who understand the kind of enlightenment the East 
embraces, it is that that state is a delusional state. Here is the crux: it is 
not that he believes himself to have been delusional to think he was 
enlightened, he would still maintain that he was enlightened, it is just that 
enlightenment is not something he feels is a positive state to be in. 
 

 
 
 On Friday, February 7, 2014 8:04 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote:
 
   Oh, and of course you were never around Robin during his enlightened days 
anyway.
 

  What's NPS, and how were you in a position to think Robin had it, 
whatever it is?
 
  As for Robin, yes I found him extraordinary in many ways. Whether he had 
classic NPS, I couldn't say, but it sure seemed that way to me much of the 
time.  But then again, it doesn't register with me much if a person is said to 
be enlightened or not.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

Judy, what your beliefs have to do with this discussion is that you're the 
person with whom I'm having the discussion! And I've gotten the impression that 
you're a devout Christian. Is that inaccurate?

What does it mean that Robin said his union with God was a delusion? Is this 
where the evil forces come in?

My point is that Eastern traditions define enlightenment as union with God. But 
if Robin wasn't really united with God, then how can he validly comment on 
enlightenment?!





On Saturday, February 8, 2014 12:53 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com 
authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
  
Yes, that's what it means. Me, I haven't a clue. (What do my beliefs have to do 
with this?) Yes, Robin's experience was of union with God. He believes it was a 
delusion.


 Judy, does ontological union mean: due to their respective natures, there 
can be no union between God and human? And do you also believe that there can 
be no ontological union between God and human?

Another question: was Robin saying that he experienced union with God? 





On Saturday, February 8, 2014 12:32 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote:

 
Let me put it this way: He believes all forms of enlightenment, etc., that 
entail the experience of union with God are delusionary. His viewpoint is 
strictly Judeo-Christian in that regard: God is wholly, immutably Other; there 
can be no ontological union between human beings and God.

 Judy, do you think Robin thinks ALL forms of realization, awakening, 
enlightenment, etc. in ALL traditions are a delusion? 




On Saturday, February 8, 2014 11:28 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote:

 
Absolutely correct. He was insistent that enlightenment is a real state of 
consciousness, and that he was in this state for 10-plus years. What he says he 
came to realize is that the state itself is delusional--the experience of being 
one with God, the identification with Self rather than self, and so on, 
everything Maharishi describes, is a trick, a seduction engineered by dark 
forces that do not have the welfare of human beings at heart. It's all very 
real--including the special powers, the mastery of nature--but it leads away 
from God.

And that, of course, is why he spent 25 years attempting--apparently 
successfully--to break the unholy spell and pull himself out of that state back 
into ordinary consciousness.

He made these points over and over in his posts. How anyone could read those 
posts and
come away with the notion that he was saying he was deluded to think he was 
enlightened is just beyond me. People understand what they want to understand, 
I guess.

Whether one finds Robin's analysis convincing or not, it's what he believed on 
the basis of extraordinarily painful experience, and should not be 
misrepresented or denigrated.

 Judy, Robin himself called his alleged enlightenment a delusion. So I think 
it's inaccurate to use the phrase enlightened days.

Here is the important point Share: Robin believes true enlightenment to be a 
delusion, an illusion. It is not
that he is saying he wasn't enlightened in the sense that MMY or others who 
understand the kind of enlightenment the East embraces, it is that that
state is a delusional state. Here is the crux: it is not that he believes 
himself to have been delusional to think he was enlightened, he would still 
maintain that he was enlightened, it is just that enlightenment is not 
something he feels is a positive state to be in. 





On Friday, February 7, 2014 8:04 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote:

 
Oh, and of course you were never around Robin during his enlightened days 
anyway.


 What's NPS, and how were you in a position to think Robin had it, 
whatever it is?


 As for Robin, yes I found him extraordinary in many ways. Whether he had 
classic NPS, I couldn't say, but it sure seemed that way to me much of the 
time.  But then again, it doesn't register with me much if a person
is said to be enlightened or not.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

We've had this discussion before, Share. Yes, it's inaccurate. Search your 
memory. And my beliefs, such as they may be, have nothing whatsoever to do with 
this discussion, so just drop that angle of attack, please.
 
  Judy, what your beliefs have to do with this discussion is that you're the 
person with whom I'm having the discussion! And I've gotten the impression that 
you're a devout Christian. Is that inaccurate?

 What does it mean that Robin said his union with God was a delusion? 
 

 He said his experience of union with God was a delusion.
 

  Is this where the evil forces come in? 

 

 I don't know what come in means in this context.
 
 My point is that Eastern traditions define enlightenment as union with God. 
But if Robin wasn't really united with God, then how can he validly comment on 
enlightenment?! 
 

 Share, you're not making any sense at all. I can't respond to questions that 
are incoherent.
 

 I suggest you drop out of this discussion altogether. It's way over your head.
 

 
 
 On Saturday, February 8, 2014 12:53 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... 
wrote:
 
   Yes, that's what it means. Me, I haven't a clue. (What do my beliefs have to 
do with this?) Yes, Robin's experience was of union with God. He believes it 
was a delusion.
 
  Judy, does ontological union mean: due to their respective natures, there 
can be no union between God and human? And do you also believe that there can 
be no ontological union between God and human?

Another question: was Robin saying that he experienced union with God? 
 

 
 
 On Saturday, February 8, 2014 12:32 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... 
wrote:
 
   Let me put it this way: He believes all forms of enlightenment, etc., that 
entail the experience of union with God are delusionary. His viewpoint is 
strictly Judeo-Christian in that regard: God is wholly, immutably Other; there 
can be no ontological union between human beings and God.
 

  Judy, do you think Robin thinks ALL forms of realization, awakening, 
enlightenment, etc. in ALL traditions are a delusion? 

 
 
 On Saturday, February 8, 2014 11:28 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... 
wrote:
 
   Absolutely correct. He was insistent that enlightenment is a real state of 
consciousness, and that he was in this state for 10-plus years. What he says he 
came to realize is that the state itself is delusional--the experience of being 
one with God, the identification with Self rather than self, and so on, 
everything Maharishi describes, is a trick, a seduction engineered by dark 
forces that do not have the welfare of human beings at heart. It's all very 
real--including the special powers, the mastery of nature--but it leads away 
from God.
 

 And that, of course, is why he spent 25 years attempting--apparently 
successfully--to break the unholy spell and pull himself out of that state back 
into ordinary consciousness.
 

 He made these points over and over in his posts. How anyone could read those 
posts and come away with the notion that he was saying he was deluded to think 
he was enlightened is just beyond me. People understand what they want to 
understand, I guess.
 

 Whether one finds Robin's analysis convincing or not, it's what he believed on 
the basis of extraordinarily painful experience, and should not be 
misrepresented or denigrated.
 

  Judy, Robin himself called his alleged enlightenment a delusion. So I think 
it's inaccurate to use the phrase enlightened days.
 

 Here is the important point Share: Robin believes true enlightenment to be a 
delusion, an illusion. It is not that he is saying he wasn't enlightened in the 
sense that MMY or others who understand the kind of enlightenment the East 
embraces, it is that that state is a delusional state. Here is the crux: it is 
not that he believes himself to have been delusional to think he was 
enlightened, he would still maintain that he was enlightened, it is just that 
enlightenment is not something he feels is a positive state to be in. 
 

 
 
 On Friday, February 7, 2014 8:04 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote:
 
   Oh, and of course you were never around Robin during his enlightened days 
anyway.
 

  What's NPS, and how were you in a position to think Robin had it, 
whatever it is?
 
  As for Robin, yes I found him extraordinary in many ways. Whether he had 
classic NPS, I couldn't say, but it sure seemed that way to me much of the 
time.  But then again, it doesn't register with me much if a person is said to 
be enlightened or not.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

Judy, if Robin thinks that his experience of union with God was a delusion, 
then there is no validity to his saying that enlightenment defined as union 
with God is wrong because he did not have it! How could he know if it is right 
or wrong?





On Saturday, February 8, 2014 1:34 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com 
authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
  
We've had this discussion before, Share. Yes, it's inaccurate. Search your 
memory. And my beliefs, such as they may be, have nothing whatsoever to do with 
this discussion, so just drop that angle of attack, please.


 Judy, what your beliefs have to do with this discussion is that you're the 
person with whom I'm having the discussion! And I've gotten the impression that 
you're a devout Christian. Is that inaccurate?

 What does it mean that Robin said his union with God was a delusion? 

He said his experience of union with God was a delusion.

 Is this where the evil forces come in? 


I don't know what come in means in this context.

 My point is that Eastern traditions define enlightenment as union with God. 
But if Robin wasn't really united with God, then how can he validly comment on 
enlightenment?! 

Share, you're not making any sense at all. I can't respond to questions that 
are incoherent.

I suggest you drop out of this discussion altogether. It's way over your head.





On
Saturday, February 8, 2014 12:53 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote:

 
Yes, that's what it means. Me, I haven't a clue. (What do my beliefs have to do 
with this?) Yes, Robin's experience was of union with God. He believes it was a 
delusion.


 Judy, does ontological union mean: due to their respective natures, there 
can be no union between God and human? And do you also believe that there can 
be no ontological union between God and human?

Another question: was Robin saying that he experienced union with God? 





On Saturday, February 8, 2014 12:32 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote:

 
Let me put it this way: He believes all forms of enlightenment, etc., that 
entail the experience of union with God are delusionary. His viewpoint is 
strictly Judeo-Christian in that regard: God is wholly, immutably Other; there 
can be no ontological union between human beings and God.

 Judy, do you think Robin thinks ALL forms of realization, awakening, 
enlightenment, etc. in ALL traditions are a delusion? 




On Saturday, February 8, 2014 11:28 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote:

 
Absolutely correct. He was insistent that enlightenment is a real state of 
consciousness, and that he was in this state for 10-plus years. What he says he 
came to realize is that the state itself is delusional--the experience of being 
one with God, the identification with Self rather than self, and so on, 
everything Maharishi describes, is a trick, a seduction engineered by dark 
forces that do not have the welfare of human beings at heart. It's all very 
real--including the special powers, the mastery of nature--but it leads away 
from God.

And that, of course, is why he spent 25 years attempting--apparently 
successfully--to break the unholy spell and pull himself out of that state back 
into ordinary consciousness.

He made these points over and over in his posts. How anyone could read those 
posts and
come away with the notion that he was saying he was deluded to think he was 
enlightened is just beyond me. People understand what they want to understand, 
I guess.

Whether one finds Robin's analysis convincing or not, it's what he believed on 
the basis of extraordinarily painful experience, and should not be 
misrepresented or denigrated.

 Judy, Robin himself called his alleged enlightenment a delusion. So I think 
it's inaccurate to use the phrase enlightened days.

Here is the important point Share: Robin believes true enlightenment to be a 
delusion, an illusion. It is not
that he is saying he wasn't enlightened in the sense that MMY or others who 
understand the kind of enlightenment the East embraces, it is that that
state is a delusional state. Here is the crux: it is not that he believes 
himself to have been delusional to think he was enlightened, he would still 
maintain that he was enlightened, it is just that enlightenment is not 
something he feels is a positive state to be in. 





On Friday, February 7, 2014 8:04 PM, authfriend@...
authfriend@... wrote:

 
Oh, and of course you were never around Robin during his enlightened days 
anyway.


 What's NPS, and how were you in a position to think Robin had it, 
whatever it is?


 As for Robin, yes I found him extraordinary in many ways. Whether he had 
classic NPS, I couldn't say, but it sure seemed that way to me much of the 
time.  But then again, it doesn't register with me much if a person
is said to be enlightened or not.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam



 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote:

 Judy, what your beliefs have to do with this discussion is that you're the 
person with whom I'm having the discussion! 

Here is where Barry and you go off track. Just because Judy is trying to 
explain how ROBIN felt and what he believes it doesn't have anything 
necessarily to do with what Judy personally feels about all of this. All she is 
doing is defining and trying to clarify Robin's position and beliefs because 
she actually understands them  well. But don't confuse her beliefs with his or 
assume because she happens to understand what he was saying all those months 
that he posted here that she agrees with any, some or all of it. She is merely 
translating.

And I've gotten the impression that you're a devout Christian. Is that 
inaccurate?

What does it mean that Robin said his union with God was a delusion? Is this 
where the evil forces come in?

My point is that Eastern traditions define enlightenment as union with God. But 
if Robin wasn't really united with God, then how can he validly comment on 
enlightenment?!
 

 
 
 On Saturday, February 8, 2014 12:53 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... 
wrote:
 
   Yes, that's what it means. Me, I haven't a clue. (What do my beliefs have to 
do with this?) Yes, Robin's experience was of union with God. He believes it 
was a delusion.
 
  Judy, does ontological union mean: due to their respective natures, there 
can be no union between God and human? And do you also believe that there can 
be no ontological union between God and human?

Another question: was Robin saying that he experienced union with God? 
 

 
 
 On Saturday, February 8, 2014 12:32 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... 
wrote:
 
   Let me put it this way: He believes all forms of enlightenment, etc., that 
entail the experience of union with God are delusionary. His viewpoint is 
strictly Judeo-Christian in that regard: God is wholly, immutably Other; there 
can be no ontological union between human beings and God.
 

  Judy, do you think Robin thinks ALL forms of realization, awakening, 
enlightenment, etc. in ALL traditions are a delusion? 

 
 
 On Saturday, February 8, 2014 11:28 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... 
wrote:
 
   Absolutely correct. He was insistent that enlightenment is a real state of 
consciousness, and that he was in this state for 10-plus years. What he says he 
came to realize is that the state itself is delusional--the experience of being 
one with God, the identification with Self rather than self, and so on, 
everything Maharishi describes, is a trick, a seduction engineered by dark 
forces that do not have the welfare of human beings at heart. It's all very 
real--including the special powers, the mastery of nature--but it leads away 
from God.
 

 And that, of course, is why he spent 25 years attempting--apparently 
successfully--to break the unholy spell and pull himself out of that state back 
into ordinary consciousness.
 

 He made these points over and over in his posts. How anyone could read those 
posts and come away with the notion that he was saying he was deluded to think 
he was enlightened is just beyond me. People understand what they want to 
understand, I guess.
 

 Whether one finds Robin's analysis convincing or not, it's what he believed on 
the basis of extraordinarily painful experience, and should not be 
misrepresented or denigrated.
 

  Judy, Robin himself called his alleged enlightenment a delusion. So I think 
it's inaccurate to use the phrase enlightened days.
 

 Here is the important point Share: Robin believes true enlightenment to be a 
delusion, an illusion. It is not that he is saying he wasn't enlightened in the 
sense that MMY or others who understand the kind of enlightenment the East 
embraces, it is that that state is a delusional state. Here is the crux: it is 
not that he believes himself to have been delusional to think he was 
enlightened, he would still maintain that he was enlightened, it is just that 
enlightenment is not something he feels is a positive state to be in. 
 

 
 
 On Friday, February 7, 2014 8:04 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote:
 
   Oh, and of course you were never around Robin during his enlightened days 
anyway.
 

  What's NPS, and how were you in a position to think Robin had it, 
whatever it is?
 
  As for Robin, yes I found him extraordinary in many ways. Whether he had 
classic NPS, I couldn't say, but it sure seemed that way to me much of the 
time.  But then again, it doesn't register with me much if a person is said to 
be enlightened or not.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

Again, Share, your question is incoherent. Robin never said enlightenment 
defined as union with God is wrong, for example. You made that up. I'm telling 
you, this whole topic is over your head. Your intention is not to understand 
what Robin wrote but rather to find yet another way to beat up on him in his 
absence, and I'm just not going to play that mug's game. Do you understand?
 
  Judy, if Robin thinks that his experience of union with God was a delusion, 
then there is no validity to his saying that enlightenment defined as union 
with God is wrong because he did not have it! How could he know if it is right 
or wrong? 
 

 
 
 On Saturday, February 8, 2014 1:34 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote:
 
   We've had this discussion before, Share. Yes, it's inaccurate. Search your 
memory. And my beliefs, such as they may be, have nothing whatsoever to do with 
this discussion, so just drop that angle of attack, please.
 
  Judy, what your beliefs have to do with this discussion is that you're the 
person with whom I'm having the discussion! And I've gotten the impression that 
you're a devout Christian. Is that inaccurate?

 What does it mean that Robin said his union with God was a delusion? 
 

 He said his experience of union with God was a delusion.
 

  Is this where the evil forces come in? 

 

 I don't know what come in means in this context.
 
 My point is that Eastern traditions define enlightenment as union with God. 
But if Robin wasn't really united with God, then how can he validly comment on 
enlightenment?! 
 

 Share, you're not making any sense at all. I can't respond to questions that 
are incoherent.
 

 I suggest you drop out of this discussion altogether. It's way over your head.
 

 
 
 On Saturday, February 8, 2014 12:53 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... 
wrote:
 
   Yes, that's what it means. Me, I haven't a clue. (What do my beliefs have to 
do with this?) Yes, Robin's experience was of union with God. He believes it 
was a delusion.
 
  Judy, does ontological union mean: due to their respective natures, there 
can be no union between God and human? And do you also believe that there can 
be no ontological union between God and human?

Another question: was Robin saying that he experienced union with God? 
 

 
 
 On Saturday, February 8, 2014 12:32 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... 
wrote:
 
   Let me put it this way: He believes all forms of enlightenment, etc., that 
entail the experience of union with God are delusionary. His viewpoint is 
strictly Judeo-Christian in that regard: God is wholly, immutably Other; there 
can be no ontological union between human beings and God.
 

  Judy, do you think Robin thinks ALL forms of realization, awakening, 
enlightenment, etc. in ALL traditions are a delusion? 

 
 
 On Saturday, February 8, 2014 11:28 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... 
wrote:
 
   Absolutely correct. He was insistent that enlightenment is a real state of 
consciousness, and that he was in this state for 10-plus years. What he says he 
came to realize is that the state itself is delusional--the experience of being 
one with God, the identification with Self rather than self, and so on, 
everything Maharishi describes, is a trick, a seduction engineered by dark 
forces that do not have the welfare of human beings at heart. It's all very 
real--including the special powers, the mastery of nature--but it leads away 
from God.
 

 And that, of course, is why he spent 25 years attempting--apparently 
successfully--to break the unholy spell and pull himself out of that state back 
into ordinary consciousness.
 

 He made these points over and over in his posts. How anyone could read those 
posts and come away with the notion that he was saying he was deluded to think 
he was enlightened is just beyond me. People understand what they want to 
understand, I guess.
 

 Whether one finds Robin's analysis convincing or not, it's what he believed on 
the basis of extraordinarily painful experience, and should not be 
misrepresented or denigrated.
 

  Judy, Robin himself called his alleged enlightenment a delusion. So I think 
it's inaccurate to use the phrase enlightened days.
 

 Here is the important point Share: Robin believes true enlightenment to be a 
delusion, an illusion. It is not that he is saying he wasn't enlightened in the 
sense that MMY or others who understand the kind of enlightenment the East 
embraces, it is that that state is a delusional state. Here is the crux: it is 
not that he believes himself to have been delusional to think he was 
enlightened, he would still maintain that he was enlightened, it is just that 
enlightenment is not something he feels is a positive state to be in. 
 

 
 
 On Friday, February 7, 2014 8:04 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote:
 
   Oh, and of course you were never around Robin during his enlightened days 
anyway.
 

  What's NPS, and how were you in a position to think Robin had it, 
whatever it is?
 
  As for

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam



 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote:

 Judy, if Robin thinks that his experience of union with God was a delusion, 
then there is no validity to his saying that enlightenment defined as union 
with God is wrong because he did not have it! How could he know if it is right 
or wrong?

Share, it would be best, if you really are interested in any of this, to go 
back and re-read what Robin himself actually wrote, God knows he said a lot in 
his time at FFL so you won't lack for reading material. Instead of using Judy 
as the translator look it up for yourself. That way you can decide on your 
own how you feel about what he said and you can take your time with it if you 
really want to.

On another note, do you watch the Olympics and if so do you prefer the summer 
or winter version? What is your favorite winter sport event to watch? Favorite 
summer event? Strangely, I don't watch much TV let alone sports events but I do 
really enjoy the Olympics and also Wimbledon.
 

 
 
 On Saturday, February 8, 2014 1:34 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote:
 
   We've had this discussion before, Share. Yes, it's inaccurate. Search your 
memory. And my beliefs, such as they may be, have nothing whatsoever to do with 
this discussion, so just drop that angle of attack, please.
 
  Judy, what your beliefs have to do with this discussion is that you're the 
person with whom I'm having the discussion! And I've gotten the impression that 
you're a devout Christian. Is that inaccurate?

 What does it mean that Robin said his union with God was a delusion? 
 

 He said his experience of union with God was a delusion.
 

  Is this where the evil forces come in? 

 

 I don't know what come in means in this context.
 
 My point is that Eastern traditions define enlightenment as union with God. 
But if Robin wasn't really united with God, then how can he validly comment on 
enlightenment?! 
 

 Share, you're not making any sense at all. I can't respond to questions that 
are incoherent.
 

 I suggest you drop out of this discussion altogether. It's way over your head.
 

 
 
 On Saturday, February 8, 2014 12:53 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... 
wrote:
 
   Yes, that's what it means. Me, I haven't a clue. (What do my beliefs have to 
do with this?) Yes, Robin's experience was of union with God. He believes it 
was a delusion.
 
  Judy, does ontological union mean: due to their respective natures, there 
can be no union between God and human? And do you also believe that there can 
be no ontological union between God and human?

Another question: was Robin saying that he experienced union with God? 
 

 
 
 On Saturday, February 8, 2014 12:32 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... 
wrote:
 
   Let me put it this way: He believes all forms of enlightenment, etc., that 
entail the experience of union with God are delusionary. His viewpoint is 
strictly Judeo-Christian in that regard: God is wholly, immutably Other; there 
can be no ontological union between human beings and God.
 

  Judy, do you think Robin thinks ALL forms of realization, awakening, 
enlightenment, etc. in ALL traditions are a delusion? 

 
 
 On Saturday, February 8, 2014 11:28 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... 
wrote:
 
   Absolutely correct. He was insistent that enlightenment is a real state of 
consciousness, and that he was in this state for 10-plus years. What he says he 
came to realize is that the state itself is delusional--the experience of being 
one with God, the identification with Self rather than self, and so on, 
everything Maharishi describes, is a trick, a seduction engineered by dark 
forces that do not have the welfare of human beings at heart. It's all very 
real--including the special powers, the mastery of nature--but it leads away 
from God.
 

 And that, of course, is why he spent 25 years attempting--apparently 
successfully--to break the unholy spell and pull himself out of that state back 
into ordinary consciousness.
 

 He made these points over and over in his posts. How anyone could read those 
posts and come away with the notion that he was saying he was deluded to think 
he was enlightened is just beyond me. People understand what they want to 
understand, I guess.
 

 Whether one finds Robin's analysis convincing or not, it's what he believed on 
the basis of extraordinarily painful experience, and should not be 
misrepresented or denigrated.
 

  Judy, Robin himself called his alleged enlightenment a delusion. So I think 
it's inaccurate to use the phrase enlightened days.
 

 Here is the important point Share: Robin believes true enlightenment to be a 
delusion, an illusion. It is not that he is saying he wasn't enlightened in the 
sense that MMY or others who understand the kind of enlightenment the East 
embraces, it is that that state is a delusional state. Here is the crux: it is 
not that he believes himself to have been delusional to think he was 
enlightened, he would still maintain that he was

[FairfieldLife] Adaptive pitch test!

2014-02-08 Thread cardemaister

http://tonometric.com/adaptivepitch/ http://tonometric.com/adaptivepitch/

[FairfieldLife] RE: Adaptive pitch test!

2014-02-08 Thread cardemaister

Whoa! Thot  it was the other way round:
 

 
How well can you distinguish subtle differences in rhythm? 

 This test will play a series of two rhythmical phrases and ask you if they are 
the same or different. Unlike the similar tonedeaf test, however, the 
differences between the phrases are only rhythmical. 


Recent research has emerged suggesting that rhythm perception and pitch 
perception deficits may be linked. I thought it would be interesting to make a 
test that would give an objective measure of rhythm perception. There is also a 
large degree of rhythm memory that is also incidentally tested. It is far 
easier to remember melodies than it is rhythms: give this test a try, you will 
quickly see how difficult it is!

At the end of the test, you can compare your performance to that of over 7,000 
subjects who had previously submitted their scores. 

You will need Flash for this test. Please be patient, as it may take a few 
minutes

[FairfieldLife] ANDY KAUFMAN, MAHARISHI MAHESH YOGI, SECRET OF COMEDY


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ELvH98lix8list=PLqEG-7-U8GbXnckJGVk-cOvLpFS0Qb4bD
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ELvH98lix8list=PLqEG-7-U8GbXnckJGVk-cOvLpFS0Qb4bD

[FairfieldLife] Swami Lakshmanjoo and Maharishi Mahesh Yogi


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4SdkYo2pTk 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4SdkYo2pTk

[FairfieldLife] Re: For Bhairitu

2014-02-08 Thread bhairitu


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:





 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@ wrote:

  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote:
  
  On 02/07/2014 10:01 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote:
   
On 02/06/2014 05:30 PM, ultrarishi wrote:

 Ray Donovan is intense and gritty. Just our cup of tea. Didn't
 overly pander like some cable shows with excessive tits and
ass and
 violence because, after all, it's cable and it's why people go
there.
 Just good story telling, excellent stars and writing.
   
Great show and I'll miss the next season. Didn't watch Homeland
either
due to cutting the cable. Interesting take on the kind of person
who
actually exists in Hollywood to clean up things after a big
star
   blows it.
  
   */I'm off work today, so I downloaded Ray Donovan and have now
   watched the first three episodes. I'm hooked, and will watch the
rest.
   Liev Schreiber is excellent, Paula Malcomson is always excellent,
and
   there are quite a few familiar faces popping up among the rest of
the
   cast, such as Steven Bauer and Elliot Gould. Still, it's Jon
Voight
   who kinda steals the show, as the most despicable human being
you're
   ever likely to see onscreen. I can only imagine that he'll get
worse.
  
   Good to chat with people about TV and movies they've actually
seen.
   Much better than dealing with people who know nothing whatsoever
about
   them, but repost month-old articles we've all already read before
to
   make it seem as if they do. :-)/*
 
  That said I would expect you to be on top of this one. ;-)
 
 
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-57618549-93/kickstarter-funded-film-reu\
nites-joss-whedons-dollhouse-cast/
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-57618549-93/kickstarter-funded-film-reu\
nites-joss-whedons-dollhouse-cast/

  You would be correct, actually. :-) I have a 1080p full HD version of
it ready to watch tonight after dinner. I first heard about it on
whedonesque.com.

 
http://www.buzzfeed.com/jarettwieselman/dollhouse-alums-talk-life-in-the\
-whedonverse-or-whedonverse
http://www.buzzfeed.com/jarettwieselman/dollhouse-alums-talk-life-in-the\
-whedonverse-or-whedonverse


 Haven't seen it, though, so unlike the person on this forum who likes
to comment about films she's never seen, I can't give you a review yet. 
:-)


  That's right Bawwy, sit your ass down and watch some more TV. Wow,
your life sounds like a frigging nightmare. Is there really nothing for
you to actually DO? Have you really accomplished everything you wanted
to in your life that you can afford to sit like a lump in front of a
small screen for hours on end? Is there nothing you can imagine that
might give you any sort of pleasure other than sitting in coffee houses
or staring at moving pictures? Phew, you aren't quite dead yet so there
is still time to milk some of what this life has to offer that doesn't
include sitting down all day focussing on a world that doesn't include
breathing, warm human beings.


How Ann sees Bawwy

[FairfieldLife] Re: For Bhairitu

2014-02-08 Thread bhairitu

(Snipped)
How Ann See Bawwy

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

Okay, thank you for feedback.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote:

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote:

 I am sorry that I did not make it more clear that I've only known Robin from 
the period that he was posting here.  I left FF and MIU shortly before he made 
his big splash there.
 

 I did know one lady with whom I had a bit of a crush, Judy G, who I Iearned 
became involved with Robin's group.  I don't know if Anne or anyone else may 
know what happened to her?
 

 I would know if I recognized a Judy G but that is not ringing any bells.
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote:

 That makes two of us. Why did you accuse me of trying to start silliness 
with you when all I did was state a simple fact, that you didn't know Robin 
during his enlightened period? Far as I'm aware, there's no argument about that 
point, and I wasn't expecting a response. I have no idea what you misunderstood 
about what I wrote.
 

  Judy, I have no idea what you are talking about.  But, please, proceed 
according to your fancy. 
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote:

 I beg your pardon? What exactly is your objection to the statement of a simple 
fact? There was no response from you required.
 

 Judy, go start you silliness with someone else, please.  
 Oh, and of course you were never around Robin during his enlightened days 
anyway.
 

  What's NPS, and how were you in a position to think Robin had it, 
whatever it is?
 
  As for Robin, yes I found him extraordinary in many ways. Whether he had 
classic NPS, I couldn't say, but it sure seemed that way to me much of the 
time.  But then again, it doesn't register with me much if a person is said to 
be enlightened or not.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam



 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... wrote:
 
  
 Both Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox theologies have clearly explicated 
the nature of union with God – at least as far as that is possible for humans. 
However, he never appeared interested in learning more - whether about 
Catholic/Orthodox Christianity, Yogic Vedanta or Shankara’s Advaita Vedanta. I 
attribute this to a lack of genuine humility although he was constantly 
espousing a pseudo-humility. 

 

 Sorta my take on the whole thing.  On the other hand, we do have the missing 
years when he was substitute teaching.  Could get some checks in the humility 
column for that.  And then we have his daily confessional with his friend at 
Starbucks.  Do I have that right?

[FairfieldLife] Re: For Bhairitu

Ha!

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote:

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote:

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@ wrote:

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote:

On 02/07/2014 10:01 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote:

On 02/06/2014 05:30 PM, ultrarishi wrote:

That said I would expect you to be on top of this one. ;-)

http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-57618549-93/kickstarter-funded-film-reunites-joss-whedons-dollhouse-cast/

You would be correct, actually. :-) I have a 1080p full HD version of it
ready to watch tonight after dinner. I first heard about it on
whedonesque.com.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/jarettwieselman/dollhouse-alums-talk-life-in-the-whedonverse-or-whedonverse

Haven't seen it, though, so unlike the person on this forum who likes to
comment about films she's never seen, I can't give you a review yet. :-)

How Ann sees Bawwy

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

You missed the word ontological.
 

 Quoting me:
 “Let me put it this way: He believes all forms of enlightenment, etc., that 
entail the experience of union with God are delusionary. His viewpoint is 
strictly Judeo-Christian in that regard: God is wholly, immutably Other; there 
can be no ontological union between human beings and God.”

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

emptybill doesn't know what he's talking about with regard to Robin, his reams 
of quotes notwithstanding.
 

 Daily confessional with his friend at Starbuck's?? Robin never said anything 
remotely like that.
 

 Both Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox theologies have clearly explicated 
the nature of union with God – at least as far as that is possible for humans. 
However, he never appeared interested in learning more - whether about 
Catholic/Orthodox Christianity, Yogic Vedanta or Shankara’s Advaita Vedanta. I 
attribute this to a lack of genuine humility although he was constantly 
espousing a pseudo-humility. 
 

 Sorta my take on the whole thing.  On the other hand, we do have the missing 
years when he was substitute teaching.  Could get some checks in the humility 
column for that.  And then we have his daily confessional with his friend at 
Starbucks.  Do I have that right?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

My recollection is that he did, indeed say that he has a friend he meets with 
most everyday, at Starbucks, (I believe), in whom he confides thoughts, 
feelings.
 

 I would say this was a couple months before he stopped posting.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote:

 emptybill doesn't know what he's talking about with regard to Robin, his reams 
of quotes notwithstanding.
 

 Daily confessional with his friend at Starbuck's?? Robin never said anything 
remotely like that.
 

 Both Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox theologies have clearly explicated 
the nature of union with God – at least as far as that is possible for humans. 
However, he never appeared interested in learning more - whether about 
Catholic/Orthodox Christianity, Yogic Vedanta or Shankara’s Advaita Vedanta. I 
attribute this to a lack of genuine humility although he was constantly 
espousing a pseudo-humility. 
 

 Sorta my take on the whole thing.  On the other hand, we do have the missing 
years when he was substitute teaching.  Could get some checks in the humility 
column for that.  And then we have his daily confessional with his friend at 
Starbucks.  Do I have that right?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

You've got something screwy here, Stevie. He may have been talking about email, 
in which case he probably meant with me. But there was no daily confessional.
 

 My recollection is that he did, indeed say that he has a friend he meets with 
most everyday, at Starbucks, (I believe), in whom he confides thoughts, 
feelings.
 

 I would say this was a couple months before he stopped posting.
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote:

 emptybill doesn't know what he's talking about with regard to Robin, his reams 
of quotes notwithstanding.
 

 Daily confessional with his friend at Starbuck's?? Robin never said anything 
remotely like that.
 

 Both Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox theologies have clearly explicated 
the nature of union with God – at least as far as that is possible for humans. 
However, he never appeared interested in learning more - whether about 
Catholic/Orthodox Christianity, Yogic Vedanta or Shankara’s Advaita Vedanta. I 
attribute this to a lack of genuine humility although he was constantly 
espousing a pseudo-humility. 
 

 Sorta my take on the whole thing.  On the other hand, we do have the missing 
years when he was substitute teaching.  Could get some checks in the humility 
column for that.  And then we have his daily confessional with his friend at 
Starbucks.  Do I have that right?

[FairfieldLife] RE: ANDY KAUFMAN, MAHARISHI MAHESH YOGI, SECRET OF COMEDY

2014-02-08 Thread dhamiltony2k5

I luv seeing andy's face again.  He was a continuous joy to be around.  Always 
working material everywhere and anywhere.   
 

 Now I am remembering the Orono one month course the summer after Maharishi 
stopped doing the one month summer courses.  Charlie Donahue hosting the course 
talent show, Charlie came out later apologetically introducing to the crowd the 
next guy, a campus Janitor wanting to perform for the group.  Andy who nobody 
really knows, comes on as the immigrant janitor and tells some really bad-flat 
jokes.  The crowd is sympathetic tending over to feeling sorry and embarrassed 
for the guy and even some tentative laughs out of politeness for this guy 
trying to do something for us.   The immigrant janitor goes center stage his 
back to the audience,  puts on a guitar, takes comb from a glass of water off 
the folding chair there holding his props. Slicks his hair.  Straightens up, 
back to audience still.  His hip rotates and he turns around and blam,  Elvis.  
 The crowd then instantly knows they had been had entirely and then joins up in 
to crazy Elivis crowd mode.  Was total brilliant turn of event.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

Judy, I don't know what the point of arguing about it is.  If he said it, it 
will be there in the record.  Without being too boastful, my memory is pretty 
good.  My impression is that he had nothing to do with e-mails, and seemed to 
predate his participation here.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote:

 You've got something screwy here, Stevie. He may have been talking about 
email, in which case he probably meant with me. But there was no daily 
confessional.
 

 My recollection is that he did, indeed say that he has a friend he meets with 
most everyday, at Starbucks, (I believe), in whom he confides thoughts, 
feelings.
 

 I would say this was a couple months before he stopped posting.
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote:

 emptybill doesn't know what he's talking about with regard to Robin, his reams 
of quotes notwithstanding.
 

 Daily confessional with his friend at Starbuck's?? Robin never said anything 
remotely like that.
 

 Both Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox theologies have clearly explicated 
the nature of union with God – at least as far as that is possible for humans. 
However, he never appeared interested in learning more - whether about 
Catholic/Orthodox Christianity, Yogic Vedanta or Shankara’s Advaita Vedanta. I 
attribute this to a lack of genuine humility although he was constantly 
espousing a pseudo-humility. 
 

 Sorta my take on the whole thing.  On the other hand, we do have the missing 
years when he was substitute teaching.  Could get some checks in the humility 
column for that.  And then we have his daily confessional with his friend at 
Starbucks.  Do I have that right?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/328672

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote:

 Judy, I don't know what the point of arguing about it is.  If he said it, it 
will be there in the record.  Without being too boastful, my memory is pretty 
good.  My impression is that he had nothing to do with e-mails, and seemed to 
predate his participation here.
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote:

 You've got something screwy here, Stevie. He may have been talking about 
email, in which case he probably meant with me. But there was no daily 
confessional.
 

 My recollection is that he did, indeed say that he has a friend he meets with 
most everyday, at Starbucks, (I believe), in whom he confides thoughts, 
feelings.
 

 I would say this was a couple months before he stopped posting.
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote:

 emptybill doesn't know what he's talking about with regard to Robin, his reams 
of quotes notwithstanding.
 

 Daily confessional with his friend at Starbuck's?? Robin never said anything 
remotely like that.
 

 Both Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox theologies have clearly explicated 
the nature of union with God – at least as far as that is possible for humans. 
However, he never appeared interested in learning more - whether about 
Catholic/Orthodox Christianity, Yogic Vedanta or Shankara’s Advaita Vedanta. I 
attribute this to a lack of genuine humility although he was constantly 
espousing a pseudo-humility. 
 

 Sorta my take on the whole thing.  On the other hand, we do have the missing 
years when he was substitute teaching.  Could get some checks in the humility 
column for that.  And then we have his daily confessional with his friend at 
Starbucks.  Do I have that right?

[FairfieldLife] RE: Another Interesting Take on Addiction

2014-02-08 Thread s3raphita

Re I'm pretty right wing when it comes to this stuff, I admit it.:
 

 It's funny how people feel the need to apologise for being right wing. I 
regard both wings as equally deluded. (My heroes are maverick outsiders - but 
paradoxically a society of radical individualists would be a healthier 
community.) And the idea that drug taking is an individual's private choice 
fits the libertarian approach which people usually regard as right wing. Back 
in the sixties the same attitude would have been regarded as dangerously left 
wing.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

My memory is excellent, and I followed Robin's posts more closely than anyone 
here. The two of us were good friends and had extensive email correspondence.
 

 You repeatedly get things wrong that have happened in the past. I never saw 
him say anything like what you imagine. You made the claim, you find the post.
 

 Judy, I don't know what the point of arguing about it is.  If he said it, it 
will be there in the record.  Without being too boastful, my memory is pretty 
good.  My impression is that he had nothing to do with e-mails, and seemed to 
predate his participation here.
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote:

 You've got something screwy here, Stevie. He may have been talking about 
email, in which case he probably meant with me. But there was no daily 
confessional.
 

 My recollection is that he did, indeed say that he has a friend he meets with 
most everyday, at Starbucks, (I believe), in whom he confides thoughts, 
feelings.
 

 I would say this was a couple months before he stopped posting.
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote:

 emptybill doesn't know what he's talking about with regard to Robin, his reams 
of quotes notwithstanding.
 

 Daily confessional with his friend at Starbuck's?? Robin never said anything 
remotely like that.
 

 Both Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox theologies have clearly explicated 
the nature of union with God – at least as far as that is possible for humans. 
However, he never appeared interested in learning more - whether about 
Catholic/Orthodox Christianity, Yogic Vedanta or Shankara’s Advaita Vedanta. I 
attribute this to a lack of genuine humility although he was constantly 
espousing a pseudo-humility. 
 

 Sorta my take on the whole thing.  On the other hand, we do have the missing 
years when he was substitute teaching.  Could get some checks in the humility 
column for that.  And then we have his daily confessional with his friend at 
Starbucks.  Do I have that right?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

Oh, hilarious. Of course, this doesn't say at all what you claimed, does it, 
now?
 

 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/328672
 

 Judy, I don't know what the point of arguing about it is.  If he said it, it 
will be there in the record.  Without being too boastful, my memory is pretty 
good.  My impression is that he had nothing to do with e-mails, and seemed to 
predate his participation here.
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote:

 You've got something screwy here, Stevie. He may have been talking about 
email, in which case he probably meant with me. But there was no daily 
confessional.
 

 My recollection is that he did, indeed say that he has a friend he meets with 
most everyday, at Starbucks, (I believe), in whom he confides thoughts, 
feelings.
 

 I would say this was a couple months before he stopped posting.
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote:

 emptybill doesn't know what he's talking about with regard to Robin, his reams 
of quotes notwithstanding.
 

 Daily confessional with his friend at Starbuck's?? Robin never said anything 
remotely like that.
 

 Both Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox theologies have clearly explicated 
the nature of union with God – at least as far as that is possible for humans. 
However, he never appeared interested in learning more - whether about 
Catholic/Orthodox Christianity, Yogic Vedanta or Shankara’s Advaita Vedanta. I 
attribute this to a lack of genuine humility although he was constantly 
espousing a pseudo-humility. 
 

 Sorta my take on the whole thing.  On the other hand, we do have the missing 
years when he was substitute teaching.  Could get some checks in the humility 
column for that.  And then we have his daily confessional with his friend at 
Starbucks.  Do I have that right?

[FairfieldLife] The earliest holiday destination

2014-02-08 Thread s3raphita

When mankind first left the African birthplace of our race millennia ago where 
did they head to first? Fair England has that honour. This green and pleasant 
land was an irresistible draw to our common ancestors.  
 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-26025763 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-26025763

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

Um, I think it's close enough Judy.   But to someone who as a matter of course 
cannot see the forest for the trees, it probably has no semblance.  Kinda, 
sorta seems like you had your eggs in the e-mails with me basket  sorry about 
that.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote:

 Oh, hilarious. Of course, this doesn't say at all what you claimed, does it, 
now?
 

 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/328672
 

 Judy, I don't know what the point of arguing about it is.  If he said it, it 
will be there in the record.  Without being too boastful, my memory is pretty 
good.  My impression is that he had nothing to do with e-mails, and seemed to 
predate his participation here.
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote:

 You've got something screwy here, Stevie. He may have been talking about 
email, in which case he probably meant with me. But there was no daily 
confessional.
 

 My recollection is that he did, indeed say that he has a friend he meets with 
most everyday, at Starbucks, (I believe), in whom he confides thoughts, 
feelings.
 

 I would say this was a couple months before he stopped posting.
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote:

 emptybill doesn't know what he's talking about with regard to Robin, his reams 
of quotes notwithstanding.
 

 Daily confessional with his friend at Starbuck's?? Robin never said anything 
remotely like that.
 

 Both Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox theologies have clearly explicated 
the nature of union with God – at least as far as that is possible for humans. 
However, he never appeared interested in learning more - whether about 
Catholic/Orthodox Christianity, Yogic Vedanta or Shankara’s Advaita Vedanta. I 
attribute this to a lack of genuine humility although he was constantly 
espousing a pseudo-humility. 
 

 Sorta my take on the whole thing.  On the other hand, we do have the missing 
years when he was substitute teaching.  Could get some checks in the humility 
column for that.  And then we have his daily confessional with his friend at 
Starbucks.  Do I have that right?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

sounds like this one hurt Judy.  kinda has your ire up for some reason.  and 
yikes, I guess I pushed the mother of all buttons, claiming I knew something 
about Robin you didn't.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote:

 My memory is excellent, and I followed Robin's posts more closely than anyone 
here. The two of us were good friends and had extensive email correspondence.
 

 You repeatedly get things wrong that have happened in the past. I never saw 
him say anything like what you imagine. You made the claim, you find the post.
 

 Judy, I don't know what the point of arguing about it is.  If he said it, it 
will be there in the record.  Without being too boastful, my memory is pretty 
good.  My impression is that he had nothing to do with e-mails, and seemed to 
predate his participation here.
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote:

 You've got something screwy here, Stevie. He may have been talking about 
email, in which case he probably meant with me. But there was no daily 
confessional.
 

 My recollection is that he did, indeed say that he has a friend he meets with 
most everyday, at Starbucks, (I believe), in whom he confides thoughts, 
feelings.
 

 I would say this was a couple months before he stopped posting.
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote:

 emptybill doesn't know what he's talking about with regard to Robin, his reams 
of quotes notwithstanding.
 

 Daily confessional with his friend at Starbuck's?? Robin never said anything 
remotely like that.
 

 Both Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox theologies have clearly explicated 
the nature of union with God – at least as far as that is possible for humans. 
However, he never appeared interested in learning more - whether about 
Catholic/Orthodox Christianity, Yogic Vedanta or Shankara’s Advaita Vedanta. I 
attribute this to a lack of genuine humility although he was constantly 
espousing a pseudo-humility. 
 

 Sorta my take on the whole thing.  On the other hand, we do have the missing 
years when he was substitute teaching.  Could get some checks in the humility 
column for that.  And then we have his daily confessional with his friend at 
Starbucks.  Do I have that right?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

Ann, actually I think this is where you and Judy go off track! Judy once told 
Seraph that she was raised Presbyterian. Judy has mentioned reading the 
ecclesiastical novels of Susan Howatch. In light of the current topic of God 
human union, I wanted to know what Judy thought as well as what she thought 
Robin thought. 





On Saturday, February 8, 2014 2:33 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com 
awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
  




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote:


Judy, what your beliefs have to do with this discussion is that you're the 
person with whom I'm having the discussion! 

Here is where Barry and you go off track. Just because Judy is trying to 
explain how ROBIN felt and what he believes it doesn't have anything 
necessarily to do with what Judy personally feels about all of this. All she is 
doing is defining and trying to clarify Robin's position and beliefs because 
she actually understands them  well. But don't confuse her beliefs with his or 
assume because she happens to understand what he was saying all those months 
that he posted here that she agrees with any, some or all of it. She is merely 
translating.

And I've gotten the impression that you're a devout Christian. Is that 
inaccurate?

What does it mean that Robin said his union with God was a delusion? Is this 
where the evil forces come in?

My point is that Eastern traditions define enlightenment as union with God. But 
if Robin wasn't really united with God, then how can he validly comment on 
enlightenment?!





On
Saturday, February 8, 2014 12:53 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote:

 
Yes, that's what it means. Me, I haven't a clue. (What do my beliefs have to do 
with this?) Yes, Robin's experience was of union with God. He believes it was a 
delusion.


 Judy, does ontological union mean: due to their respective natures, there 
can be no union between God and human? And do you also believe that there can 
be no ontological union between God and human?

Another question: was Robin saying that he experienced union with God? 





On Saturday, February 8, 2014 12:32 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote:

 
Let me put it this way: He believes all forms of enlightenment, etc., that 
entail the experience of union with God are delusionary. His viewpoint is 
strictly Judeo-Christian in that regard: God is wholly, immutably Other; there 
can be no ontological union between human beings and God.

 Judy, do you think Robin thinks ALL forms of realization, awakening, 
enlightenment, etc. in ALL traditions are a delusion? 




On Saturday, February 8, 2014 11:28 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote:

 
Absolutely correct. He was insistent that enlightenment is a real state of 
consciousness, and that he was in this state for 10-plus years. What he says he 
came to realize is that the state itself is delusional--the experience of being 
one with God, the identification with Self rather than self, and so on, 
everything Maharishi describes, is a trick, a seduction engineered by dark 
forces that do not have the welfare of human beings at heart. It's all very 
real--including the special powers, the mastery of nature--but it leads away 
from God.

And that, of course, is why he spent 25 years attempting--apparently 
successfully--to break the unholy spell and pull himself out of that state back 
into ordinary consciousness.

He made these points over and over in his posts. How anyone could read those 
posts and
come away with the notion that he was saying he was deluded to think he was 
enlightened is just beyond me. People understand what they want to understand, 
I guess.

Whether one finds Robin's analysis convincing or not, it's what he believed on 
the basis of extraordinarily painful experience, and should not be 
misrepresented or denigrated.

 Judy, Robin himself called his alleged enlightenment a delusion. So I think 
it's inaccurate to use the phrase enlightened days.

Here is the important point Share: Robin believes true enlightenment to be a 
delusion, an illusion. It is not
that he is saying he wasn't enlightened in the sense that MMY or others who 
understand the kind of enlightenment the East embraces, it is that that
state is a delusional state. Here is the crux: it is not that he believes 
himself to have been delusional to think he was enlightened, he would still 
maintain that he was enlightened, it is just that enlightenment is not 
something he feels is a positive state to be in. 





On Friday, February 7, 2014 8:04 PM, authfriend@...
authfriend@... wrote:

 
Oh, and of course you were never around Robin during his enlightened days 
anyway.


 What's NPS, and how were you in a position to think Robin had it, 
whatever it is?


 As for Robin, yes I found him extraordinary in many ways. Whether he had 
classic NPS, I couldn't say, but it sure seemed that way to me much of the 
time.  But then again, it doesn't register with me much if a person
is said to be enlightened or not.

[FairfieldLife] Re: For Bhairitu

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote:

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote:

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@ wrote:

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote:

On 02/07/2014 10:01 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote:

On 02/06/2014 05:30 PM, ultrarishi wrote:

That said I would expect you to be on top of this one. ;-)

http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-57618549-93/kickstarter-funded-film-reunites-joss-whedons-dollhouse-cast/

You would be correct, actually. :-) I have a 1080p full HD version of it
ready to watch tonight after dinner. I first heard about it on
whedonesque.com.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/jarettwieselman/dollhouse-alums-talk-life-in-the-whedonverse-or-whedonverse

Haven't seen it, though, so unlike the person on this forum who likes to
comment about films she's never seen, I can't give you a review yet. :-)

How Ann sees Bawwy

You're crackin' me up. I'd say that was pretty close except the guy in the
graphic is better looking than Bawwy, more muscular too.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

and yikes II, this is pretty revealing.  I didn't realize how deep the 
attachment went.  Do you think it may have run mostly in one direction, though? 
 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote:

 My memory is excellent, and I followed Robin's posts more closely than anyone 
here. The two of us were good friends and had extensive email correspondence.
 

 You repeatedly get things wrong that have happened in the past. I never saw 
him say anything like what you imagine. You made the claim, you find the post.
 

 Judy, I don't know what the point of arguing about it is.  If he said it, it 
will be there in the record.  Without being too boastful, my memory is pretty 
good.  My impression is that he had nothing to do with e-mails, and seemed to 
predate his participation here.
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote:

 You've got something screwy here, Stevie. He may have been talking about 
email, in which case he probably meant with me. But there was no daily 
confessional.
 

 My recollection is that he did, indeed say that he has a friend he meets with 
most everyday, at Starbucks, (I believe), in whom he confides thoughts, 
feelings.
 

 I would say this was a couple months before he stopped posting.
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote:

 emptybill doesn't know what he's talking about with regard to Robin, his reams 
of quotes notwithstanding.
 

 Daily confessional with his friend at Starbuck's?? Robin never said anything 
remotely like that.
 

 Both Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox theologies have clearly explicated 
the nature of union with God – at least as far as that is possible for humans. 
However, he never appeared interested in learning more - whether about 
Catholic/Orthodox Christianity, Yogic Vedanta or Shankara’s Advaita Vedanta. I 
attribute this to a lack of genuine humility although he was constantly 
espousing a pseudo-humility. 
 

 Sorta my take on the whole thing.  On the other hand, we do have the missing 
years when he was substitute teaching.  Could get some checks in the humility 
column for that.  And then we have his daily confessional with his friend at 
Starbucks.  Do I have that right?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

Ann, I suggest you go back to how this topic began. Judy threw out the phrases 
enlightened days and genuine enlightenment with reference to Robin. I said I 
thought those phrases were inaccurate given that Robin himself called his 
enlightenment a delusion. That is how this discussion began.

BTW I don't have TV hookup so I don't watch the Olympics, was in Vancouver 
during the 2010 games!





On Saturday, February 8, 2014 2:58 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com 
awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
  




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote:


Judy, if Robin thinks that his experience of union with God was a delusion, 
then there is no validity to his saying that enlightenment defined as union 
with God is wrong because he did not have it! How could he know if it is right 
or wrong?

Share, it would be best, if you really are interested in any of this, to go 
back and re-read what Robin himself actually wrote, God knows he said a lot in 
his time at FFL so you won't lack for reading material. Instead of using Judy 
as the translator look it up for yourself.That way you can decide on your own 
how you feel about what he said and you can take your time with itif you really 
want to.

On another note, do you watch the Olympics and if so do you prefer the summer 
or winter version? What is your favorite winter sport event to watch? Favorite 
summer event? Strangely, I don't watch much TV let alone sports events but I do 
really enjoy the Olympics and also Wimbledon.





On Saturday, February 8, 2014 1:34 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote:

 
We've had this discussion before, Share. Yes, it's inaccurate. Search your 
memory. And my beliefs, such as they may be, have nothing whatsoever to do with 
this discussion, so just drop that angle of attack, please.


 Judy, what your beliefs have to do with this discussion is that you're the 
person with whom I'm having the discussion! And I've gotten the impression that 
you're a devout Christian. Is that inaccurate?

 What does it mean that Robin said his union with God was a delusion? 

He said his experience of union with God was a delusion.

 Is this where the evil forces come in? 


I don't know what come in means in this context.

 My point is that Eastern traditions define enlightenment as union with God. 
But if Robin wasn't really
united with God, then how can he validly comment on enlightenment?! 

Share, you're not making any sense at all. I can't respond to questions that 
are incoherent.

I suggest you drop out of this discussion altogether. It's way over your head.





On
Saturday, February 8, 2014 12:53 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote:

 
Yes, that's what it means. Me, I haven't a clue. (What do my beliefs have to do 
with this?) Yes, Robin's experience was of union with God. He believes it was a 
delusion.


 Judy, does ontological union mean: due to their respective natures, there 
can be no union between God and human? And do you also believe that there can 
be no ontological union between God and human?

Another question: was Robin saying that he experienced union with God? 





On Saturday, February 8, 2014 12:32 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote:

 
Let me put it this way: He believes all forms of enlightenment, etc., that 
entail the experience of union with God are delusionary. His viewpoint is 
strictly Judeo-Christian in that regard: God is wholly, immutably Other; there 
can be no ontological union between human beings and God.

 Judy, do you think Robin thinks ALL forms of realization, awakening, 
enlightenment, etc. in ALL traditions are a delusion? 




On Saturday, February 8, 2014 11:28 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote:

 
Absolutely correct. He was insistent that enlightenment is a real state of 
consciousness, and that he was in this state for 10-plus years. What he says he 
came to realize is that the state itself is delusional--the experience of being 
one with God, the identification with Self rather than self, and so on, 
everything Maharishi describes, is a trick, a seduction engineered by dark 
forces that do not have the welfare of human beings at heart. It's all very 
real--including the special powers, the mastery
of nature--but it leads away from God.

And that, of course, is why he spent 25 years attempting--apparently 
successfully--to break the unholy spell and pull himself out of that state back 
into ordinary consciousness.

He made these points over and over in his posts. How anyone could read those 
posts and
come away with the notion that he was saying he was deluded to think he was 
enlightened is just beyond me. People understand what they want to understand, 
I guess.

Whether one finds Robin's analysis convincing or not, it's what he believed on 
the basis of extraordinarily painful experience, and should not be 
misrepresented or denigrated.

 Judy, Robin himself called his alleged enlightenment a delusion. So I think 
it's inaccurate to use the phrase enlightened days.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

It's true, Judy, my intention is not to analyze what Robin wrote. My intention 
is to say that I think your phrases enlightened days and genuine enlightenment 
with regards to Robin are inaccurate given that he said his enlightenment was a 
delusion. I don't think it is attacking of someone to refer to what they 
themselves said. 





On Saturday, February 8, 2014 2:35 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com 
authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
  
Again, Share, your question is incoherent. Robin never said enlightenment 
defined as union with God is wrong, for example. You made that up. I'm telling 
you, this whole topic is over your head. Your intention is not to understand 
what Robin wrote but rather to find yet another way to beat up on him in his 
absence, and I'm just not going to play that mug's game. Do you understand?


 Judy, if Robin thinks that his experience of union with God was a delusion, 
then there is no validity to his saying that enlightenment defined as union 
with God is wrong because he did not have it! How could he know if it is right 
or wrong? 





On Saturday, February 8, 2014 1:34 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote:

 
We've had this discussion before, Share. Yes, it's inaccurate. Search your 
memory. And my beliefs, such as they may be, have nothing whatsoever to do with 
this discussion, so just drop that angle of attack, please.


 Judy, what your beliefs have to do with this discussion is that you're the 
person with whom I'm having the discussion! And I've gotten the impression that 
you're a devout Christian. Is that inaccurate?

 What does it mean that Robin said his union with God was a delusion? 

He said his experience of union with God was a delusion.

 Is this where the evil forces come in? 


I don't know what come in means in this context.

 My point is that Eastern traditions define enlightenment as union with God. 
But if Robin wasn't really
united with God, then how can he validly comment on enlightenment?! 

Share, you're not making any sense at all. I can't respond to questions that 
are incoherent.

I suggest you drop out of this discussion altogether. It's way over your head.





On
Saturday, February 8, 2014 12:53 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote:

 
Yes, that's what it means. Me, I haven't a clue. (What do my beliefs have to do 
with this?) Yes, Robin's experience was of union with God. He believes it was a 
delusion.


 Judy, does ontological union mean: due to their respective natures, there 
can be no union between God and human? And do you also believe that there can 
be no ontological union between God and human?

Another question: was Robin saying that he experienced union with God? 





On Saturday, February 8, 2014 12:32 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote:

 
Let me put it this way: He believes all forms of enlightenment, etc., that 
entail the experience of union with God are delusionary. His viewpoint is 
strictly Judeo-Christian in that regard: God is wholly, immutably Other; there 
can be no ontological union between human beings and God.

 Judy, do you think Robin thinks ALL forms of realization, awakening, 
enlightenment, etc. in ALL traditions are a delusion? 




On Saturday, February 8, 2014 11:28 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote:

 
Absolutely correct. He was insistent that enlightenment is a real state of 
consciousness, and that he was in this state for 10-plus years. What he says he 
came to realize is that the state itself is delusional--the experience of being 
one with God, the identification with Self rather than self, and so on, 
everything Maharishi describes, is a trick, a seduction engineered by dark 
forces that do not have the welfare of human beings at heart. It's all very 
real--including the special powers, the mastery
of nature--but it leads away from God.

And that, of course, is why he spent 25 years attempting--apparently 
successfully--to break the unholy spell and pull himself out of that state back 
into ordinary consciousness.

He made these points over and over in his posts. How anyone could read those 
posts and
come away with the notion that he was saying he was deluded to think he was 
enlightened is just beyond me. People understand what they want to understand, 
I guess.

Whether one finds Robin's analysis convincing or not, it's what he believed on 
the basis of extraordinarily painful experience, and should not be 
misrepresented or denigrated.

 Judy, Robin himself called his alleged enlightenment a delusion. So I think 
it's inaccurate to use the phrase enlightened days.

Here is the important point Share: Robin believes true enlightenment to be a 
delusion, an illusion. It is not
that he is saying he wasn't enlightened in the sense that MMY or others who 
understand the kind of enlightenment the East embraces, it is that that
state is a delusional state. Here is the crux: it is not that he believes 
himself to have been delusional to think he was enlightened, he would still 
maintain that he was

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam



 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote:

 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/328672

 

 Interesting to read this again, I don't ever go back and search and re-read 
stuff here. But I don't see anything about any confessionals at Starbucks.
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote:

 Judy, I don't know what the point of arguing about it is.  If he said it, it 
will be there in the record.  Without being too boastful, my memory is pretty 
good.  My impression is that he had nothing to do with e-mails, and seemed to 
predate his participation here.
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote:

 You've got something screwy here, Stevie. He may have been talking about 
email, in which case he probably meant with me. But there was no daily 
confessional.
 

 My recollection is that he did, indeed say that he has a friend he meets with 
most everyday, at Starbucks, (I believe), in whom he confides thoughts, 
feelings.
 

 I would say this was a couple months before he stopped posting.
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote:

 emptybill doesn't know what he's talking about with regard to Robin, his reams 
of quotes notwithstanding.
 

 Daily confessional with his friend at Starbuck's?? Robin never said anything 
remotely like that.
 

 Both Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox theologies have clearly explicated 
the nature of union with God – at least as far as that is possible for humans. 
However, he never appeared interested in learning more - whether about 
Catholic/Orthodox Christianity, Yogic Vedanta or Shankara’s Advaita Vedanta. I 
attribute this to a lack of genuine humility although he was constantly 
espousing a pseudo-humility. 
 

 Sorta my take on the whole thing.  On the other hand, we do have the missing 
years when he was substitute teaching.  Could get some checks in the humility 
column for that.  And then we have his daily confessional with his friend at 
Starbucks.  Do I have that right?

[FairfieldLife] RE: Another Interesting Take on Addiction



 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote:

 Re I'm pretty right wing when it comes to this stuff, I admit it.:
 

 It's funny how people feel the need to apologise for being right wing. I 
regard both wings as equally deluded. (My heroes are maverick outsiders - but 
paradoxically a society of radical individualists would be a healthier 
community.) And the idea that drug taking is an individual's private choice 
fits the libertarian approach which people usually regard as right wing. Back 
in the sixties the same attitude would have been regarded as dangerously left 
wing. 
 

 Interesting. But I have my biases and I would hate for anyone to call me 
right wing, maybe that's my left wing talking.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam