[FairfieldLife] Re: Photo proof positive of Pundit project.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, easyone200 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, easyone200 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/10/05 12:58 PM, easyone200 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/10/05 12:45 AM, easyone200 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is the possibility that you created this experience for yourself due to your overwhelming desire or expectation. M is a con man at least 99.99% of the time, let's just make that 100% and give yourself credit for your own good experiences. Ditto for the rest of these guru con artists. Have you ever been with him in person - close proximity? Yes. Many times. You didn't feel or don't remember feeling the darshan? You think he's just a mere con man dressed in white robes? I had few blissful experiences the most powerful one was during a puja. Does this mean I don't think he is a crook? No. I think we are all capable of generating these experiences within ourselves. They are extremely powerful. When we associate them with a person, you get a cult of personality or a religion. Wether the object of your worship is sinister or just a plain old crook determines how much of your life is taken advantage of or destroyed. It is similar to a parent that sexually abuses a child. Despite knowing what has been done to them the child still loves the parent and tries forever to integrate how that all powerful loving parental figure could be so horrific and destructive to them. They can't do it and this conflict destroys their lives almost all of the time. These gurus take our spiritual yearning and pervert it for their own selfish sick desires. Wether it is money or sex or just getting off on the power. Look at the bizarre lengths some of the people here go to justify the actions of Maharishi. I thing Brigante wins the prize on this group for the most complete disconnect from the reality of Maharishi's actions and who he thinks he is! OMG a web site devoted to how M is ok and those around him are responsible for all the bad stuff of the TMO. I think he even has footnotes. It is probably a daily struggle for him and causes him much heartache (I'm sure he will disagree.) I am sure there is the occasional guru figure that has good motives and tries to do something for people. I don't think this happens very often because they would not try to be gurus and specially revered if they were not egomaniacs or pathological in some way. easyone easyone: 1. Did you ever practice Maharishi's yogic flying? 2. Did you hop sometimes as a spontaneous, non-physical intent? 3. What were your most memorable inner experiences during yogic flying? 4. Did you have interesting or nice (out of the ordinary - not every day nice such as too much coffee or something), once a week on average or more? 5. Did you notice a difference in a large group, as opposed to being on your own? This is all irrelevant to me. Why? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Photo proof positive of Pundit project.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, easyone200 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: easyone: 1. Did you ever practice Maharishi's yogic flying? 2. Did you hop sometimes as a spontaneous, non-physical intent? 3. What were your most memorable inner experiences during yogic flying? 4. Did you have interesting or nice (out of the ordinary - not every day nice such as too much coffee or something), once a week on average or more? 5. Did you notice a difference in a large group, as opposed to being on your own? This is all irrelevant to me. Imagine a fundamentalist christian preacher who goes to a poor area of india with the teachings of jesus and a little western technology to improve their plumbing or whatever. The teachings of jesus are pretty powerful for someone hearing them for the 1st time and better plumbing can feel like a godsend. Should these people therefore convert to fundamentalist christians who hate all other religions and give their lives over to the dictates of this particular preacher?? We most likely would say sincerely thank the preacher for bringing over the teachings of jesus, stick to the pure teachings and avoid all the other crap that's accumulated, and pay a fair amount for the plumbing, but don't buy into the whole fundamentalist trip or give your lives and bank accounts over to any preacher. That's relatively easy for us to see being westerners. The other polarity is always sexier. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Photo proof positive of Pundit project.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 10, 2005, at 11:46 AM, Rick Archer wrote: You cast aside doubts and adjust your world view to accept it. If you have doubts or don't accept it, there must be something wrong with your thinking. When I was taught--actually by my teacher--how to approach the teaching, I was taught the ways to approach and test the teacher and there were ways to approach and test the teachings. Regarding the teachings, I was told that I should not accept any teachings blindly, but to test them as if I was testing gold. In other words pound them to see if they are malleable and not fools gold, melt them, mold them, etc.--test them from every angle to see if they have meaning. Then, apply them in practice. Then, and only then, would the teachings come to live inside of me as part of me. Exactly! Doing this roots out all moodmaking and artifice that prevents these teachings from bearing fruit. Authenticity leads to liberation. Moodmaking gets you nice and stuck in ignorance. So if you have a technique that brings waves of bliss crashing through the walls, and that you can literally 'see' repairing and enhancing neurological connections in your brain while you sleep, and that actually improves your spine and heals the cells in your body spontaneously, and you can personally feel this very concretely, and this new awareness gained from said technique, allows you to see directly (even during sleep) into the pure zone of existence that underlies the cosmos, and perceive clearly the pure bliss that is so intense it is almost scary, and a technique that allows your body to feel incredibly weightless and to hop effortlessly, without physical intention, in lotus, in a kind of incredible, blissful, purifying, powerful, and almost miraculous way. If this is one's real and concrete experiences...then, under the afore-mentioned criteria, should one consider that technique worthy of following? Sounds good to me, but I'm not sure of your point. The point is that Vaj said: Regarding the teachings, I was told that I should not accept any teachings blindly, but to test them as if I was testing gold. In other words pound them to see if they are malleable and not fools gold, melt them, mold them, etc.--test them from every angle to see if they have meaning. Then, apply them in practice. Then, and only then, would the teachings come to live inside of me as part of me. And you said exactly And I asked of those generally involved (or not) in the thread: So if you have a technique that brings waves of bliss crashing through the walls, and that you can literally 'see' repairing and enhancing neurological connections in your brain while you sleep, and that actually improves your spine and heals the cells in your body spontaneously, and you can personally feel this very concretely, and this new awareness gained from said technique,allows you to see directly (even during sleep) into the pure zone of existence that underlies the cosmos, and perceive clearly the pure bliss that is so intense it is almost scary, and a technique that allows your body to feel incredibly weightless and to hop effortlessly, without physical intention, in lotus, in a kind of incredible, blissful, purifying, powerful, and almost miraculous way. If this is one's real and concrete experiences...then, under the afore-mentioned criteria, should one consider that technique worthy of following? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Photo proof positive of Pundit project.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, easyone200 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: easyone: 1. Did you ever practice Maharishi's yogic flying? 2. Did you hop sometimes as a spontaneous, non-physical intent? 3. What were your most memorable inner experiences during yogic flying? 4. Did you have interesting or nice (out of the ordinary - not every day nice such as too much coffee or something), once a week on average or more? 5. Did you notice a difference in a large group, as opposed to being on your own? This is all irrelevant to me. Imagine a fundamentalist christian preacher who goes to a poor area of india with the teachings of jesus and a little western technology to improve their plumbing or whatever. The teachings of jesus are pretty powerful for someone hearing them for the 1st time and better plumbing can feel like a godsend. Should these people therefore convert to fundamentalist christians who hate all other religions and give their lives over to the dictates of this particular preacher?? We most likely would say sincerely thank the preacher for bringing over the teachings of jesus, stick to the pure teachings and avoid all the other crap that's accumulated, and pay a fair amount for the plumbing, but don't buy into the whole fundamentalist trip or give your lives and bank accounts over to any preacher. That's relatively easy for us to see being westerners. The other polarity is always sexier. The point is that ONLY a fundamentalist would refuse to answer these objective questions. An objectivist, rational, reasoning, and non- prejudiced mind would have NO PROBLEM answering the questions honestly. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Photo proof positive of Pundit project.
On Apr 11, 2005, at 2:04 PM, off_world_beings wrote: under the afore-mentioned criteria, should one consider that technique worthy of following? I am not the tester of the gold, so how could I comment or what you did or did not find? Ask the tester. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Photo proof positive of Pundit project.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 11, 2005, at 2:04 PM, off_world_beings wrote: under the afore-mentioned criteria, should one consider that technique worthy of following? I am not the tester of the gold, so how could I comment or what you did or did not find? Ask the tester. So what is your opinion? So if you have a technique that brings waves of bliss crashing through the walls, and that you can literally 'see' repairing and enhancing neurological connections in your brain while you sleep, and that actually improves your spine and heals the cells in your body spontaneously, and you can personally feel this very concretely, and this new awareness gained from said technique,allows you to see directly (even during sleep) into the pure zone of existence that underlies the cosmos, and perceive clearly the pure bliss that is so intense it is almost scary, and a technique that allows your body to feel incredibly weightless and to hop effortlessly, without physical intention, in lotus, in a kind of incredible, blissful, purifying, powerful, and almost miraculous way. If this is one's real and concrete experiences...then, under the afore-mentioned criteria, should one consider that technique worthy of following? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Photo proof positive of Pundit project.
If this is one's real and concrete experiences...then,under the afore-mentioned criteria, should one consider thattechnique worthy of following?""-Only if you're use to following the car. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Photo proof positive of Pundit project.
On Apr 11, 2005, at 2:04 PM, off_world_beings wrote: So if you have a technique that brings waves of bliss crashing through the walls, and that you can literally 'see' repairing and enhancing neurological connections in your brain while you sleep, and that actually improves your spine and heals the cells in your body spontaneously, and you can personally feel this very concretely, Did you learn that this was part of the path or that this was the goal? If part of the path, how does applying this as the path expect to get you where you want to go? If as the goal, you're already there, so why do you have to ask? and this new awareness gained from said technique,allows you to see directly (even during sleep) into the pure zone of existence that underlies the cosmos, and perceive clearly the pure bliss that is so intense it is almost scary, How do you think that this level of insight and that level of bliss help in the path? How is insight applied as the path? How is bliss applied as the path? Or was this your goal? If yes, that was your goal, why are you asking, you are already there? and a technique that allows your body to feel incredibly weightless and to hop effortlessly, without physical intention, in lotus, in a kind of incredible, blissful, purifying, powerful, and almost miraculous way. If this is one's real and concrete experiences...then, under the afore-mentioned criteria, should one consider that technique worthy of following? How are real and concrete experiences applied as the path? An experience implies a duality or an experience and an experiencer and a process between the two. Were you hoping to find duality? If so, why are you asking me--you're already there. -V. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Photo proof positive of Pundit project.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 11, 2005, at 2:04 PM, off_world_beings wrote: So if you have a technique that brings waves of bliss crashing through the walls, and that you can literally 'see' repairing and enhancing neurological connections in your brain while you sleep, and that actually improves your spine and heals the cells in your body spontaneously, and you can personally feel this very concretely, Did you learn that this was part of the path or that this was the goal? If part of the path, how does applying this as the path expect to get you where you want to go? If as the goal, you're already there, so why do you have to ask? If you are talking about the above , then healing is of course part of the path I would think, no? and this new awareness gained from said technique,allows you to see directly (even during sleep) into the pure zone of existence that underlies the cosmos, and perceive clearly the pure bliss that is so intense it is almost scary, How do you think that this level of insight and that level of bliss help in the path? How is insight applied as the path? How is bliss applied as the path? Or was this your goal? If yes, that was your goal, why are you asking, you are already there? You set up criteria, and if such a goal is reached under the self- analysis criteria that you set up, then if said goal is reached, can you ascertain that the path you took was a right path? and a technique that allows your body to feel incredibly weightless and to hop effortlessly, without physical intention, in lotus, in a kind of incredible, blissful, purifying, powerful, and almost miraculous way. If this is one's real and concrete experiences...then, under the afore-mentioned criteria, should one consider that technique worthy of following? How are real and concrete experiences applied as the path? An experience implies a duality or an experience and an experiencer and a process between the two. Were you hoping to find duality? If so, why are you asking me--you're already there. -V. So having got there (to as much a degree as is necessary for my intellect to be unable to go backwards...into non-eternal consciousness. It is impossible for me to not see eternity of life, and the creator in it), then can one conclude with some surity that the path was one worthy of speaking of? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Photo proof positive of Pundit project.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rudra_joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If this is one's real and concrete experiences...then, under the afore-mentioned criteria, should one consider that technique worthy of following? -Only if you're use to following the car. Do you mean the car in which this new awareness gained from said technique, allows you to see directly (even during sleep) into the pure zone of existence that underlies the cosmos, and perceive clearly the pure bliss that is so intense it is almost scary, and a technique that allows your body to feel incredibly weightless and to hop effortlessly, without physical intention, in lotus, in a kind of incredible, blissful, purifying, powerful, and almost miraculous way, and which since learning the technique over 20 years ago one has not had any illness, not even a cold??? Is that the car you speak of? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Photo proof positive of Pundit project.
you mean the car in which this new awareness gained from said technique, allows you to see directly (even during sleep) into the pure zone of existence that underlies the cosmos, and perceive clearly the pure bliss that is so intense it is almost scary, and a technique that allows your body to feel incredibly weightless and to hop effortlessly, without physical intention, in lotus, in a kind ofincredible, blissful, purifying, powerful, and almost miraculous way, and which since learning the technique over 20 years ago one has not had any illness, not even a cold??? Is that the car you speak of?I hope you're enjoying the exercise. Because I'm not getting anything out of it. Have a great day ;) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Photo proof positive of Pundit project.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rudra_joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you mean the car in which this new awareness gained from said technique, allows you to see directly (even during sleep) into the pure zone of existence that underlies the cosmos, and perceive clearly the pure bliss that is so intense it is almost scary, and a technique that allows your body to feel incredibly weightless and to hop effortlessly, without physical intention, in lotus, in a kind of incredible, blissful, purifying, powerful, and almost miraculous way, and which since learning the technique over 20 years ago one has not had any illness, not even a cold??? Is that the car you speak of? I hope you're enjoying the exercise. Because I'm not getting anything out of it. Its not entirely your fault, don't feel bad. At this point in your life you may simply be missing some applications, sensors, and numeration analysts. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Photo proof positive of Pundit project.
'are so', as in established, then 'fucking', (a ying-yang symbol), unified through 'full of yourself', 'as always', timeless value. Also FUCK= F=Creation, U=Yoga/Union, C=Seer/Acceptance, K=Heart/Affirmation/Love. Quite a Compliment!!! Jim --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, easyone200 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...are so fucking full of yourself as always... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Photo proof positive of Pundit project.
Yes, Self recognizing Self as playing dynamically amidst the infinite fullness of Self, while ever remaining the Self. What better description of Self exists than that? The laughter of Self- recognition, cognized by EasyOne, appreciated by Rory, expounded upon by Jim -- three in One, ever the Self delighting in the Self! :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 'are so', as in established, then 'fucking', (a ying-yang symbol), unified through 'full of yourself', 'as always', timeless value. Also FUCK= F=Creation, U=Yoga/Union, C=Seer/Acceptance, K=Heart/Affirmation/Love. Quite a Compliment!!! Jim --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, easyone200 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...are so fucking full of yourself as always... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Photo proof positive of Pundit project.
--- off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 10, 2005, at 11:46 AM, Rick Archer wrote: You cast aside doubts and adjust your world view to accept it. If you have doubts or don't accept it, there must be something wrong with your thinking. When I was taught--actually by my teacher--how to approach the teaching, I was taught the ways to approach and test the teacher and there were ways to approach and test the teachings. Regarding the teachings, I was told that I should not accept any teachings blindly, but to test them as if I was testing gold. In other words pound them to see if they are malleable and not fools gold, melt them, mold them, etc.--test them from every angle to see if they have meaning. Then, apply them in practice. Then, and only then, would the teachings come to live inside of me as part of me. Exactly! Doing this roots out all moodmaking and artifice that prevents these teachings from bearing fruit. Authenticity leads to liberation. Moodmaking gets you nice and stuck in ignorance. So if you have a technique that brings waves of bliss crashing through the walls, and that you can literally 'see' repairing and enhancing neurological connections in your brain while you sleep, and that actually improves your spine and heals the cells in your body spontaneously, and you can personally feel this very concretely, and this new awareness gained from said technique, allows you to see directly (even during sleep) into the pure zone of existence that underlies the cosmos, and perceive clearly the pure bliss that is so intense it is almost scary, and a technique that allows your body to feel incredibly weightless and to hop effortlessly, without physical intention, in lotus, in a kind of incredible, blissful, purifying, powerful, and almost miraculous way. If this is one's real and concrete experiences...then, under the afore-mentioned criteria, should one consider that technique worthy of following? Sounds good to me, but I'm not sure of your point. The point is that Vaj said: Regarding the teachings, I was told that I should not accept any teachings blindly, but to test them as if I was testing gold. In other words pound them to see if they are malleable and not fools gold, melt them, mold them, etc.--test them from every angle to see if they have meaning. Then, apply them in practice. Then, and only then, would the teachings come to live inside of me as part of me. And you said exactly And I asked of those generally involved (or not) in the thread: So if you have a technique that brings waves of bliss crashing through the walls, and that you can literally 'see' repairing and enhancing neurological connections in your brain while you sleep, and that actually improves your spine and heals the cells in your body spontaneously, and you can personally feel this very concretely, and this new awareness gained from said technique,allows you to see directly (even during sleep) into the pure zone of existence that underlies the cosmos, and perceive clearly the pure bliss that is so intense it is almost scary, and a technique that allows your body to feel incredibly weightless and to hop effortlessly, without physical intention, in lotus, in a kind of incredible, blissful, purifying, powerful, and almost miraculous way. If this is one's real and concrete experiences...then, under the afore-mentioned criteria, should one consider that technique worthy of following? Of course. Your experience has proven the worth of the technique/teaching. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Photo proof positive of Pundit project.
Question for Easy below: --- easyone200 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know how much of a challenge it is. I've expereinced him as Brahman and I've experienced him as the con man. I can't deny either. Altogether a pretty interesting dude who has had a significant impact on this life! -Peter Yeah, I have to say it surely wasn't hard to see him as a blazing Sun; if he ever looked at you on the India course he'd flood you out into golden infinity. The energy around him was like a blast furnace. And then there's the equally-obvious human side, just to spice up the Brahman paradox *lol* What is the possibility that you created this experience for yourself due to your overwhelming desire or expectation. M is a con man at least 99.99% of the time, let's just make that 100% and give yourself credit for your own good experiences. Ditto for the rest of these guru con artists. Easy, do you consider any spiritual teacher, guru, etc. to be legit(not going to argue with you, just curious)? -Peter To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Photo proof positive of Pundit project.
on 4/10/05 12:45 AM, easyone200 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is the possibility that you created this experience for yourself due to your overwhelming desire or expectation. M is a con man at least 99.99% of the time, let's just make that 100% and give yourself credit for your own good experiences. Ditto for the rest of these guru con artists. Have you ever been with him in person - close proximity? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Photo proof positive of Pundit project.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, easyone200 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is the possibility that you created this experience for yourself due to your overwhelming desire or expectation. M is a con man at least 99.99% of the time, let's just make that 100% and give yourself credit for your own good experiences. Ditto for the rest of these guru con artists. On the one hand, you are absolutely right; it is all Self appreciating Self. On the other hand, it is not the work of the ego, which was knocked flat on its petulant ass, stretched kicking and screaming between absolute bliss and absolute suffering simultaneously. In fact, the action of Self flooding into Self EXPOSED the ego for the petulant ass it was. Thanks for asking this, as it brings up another point. The longer I have lived and the better I have gotten to know myself, the more I realize MMY is just a particularly stupendous mirror. Everything I have ever judged in him, I have later come to see in myself. As I have come to recognize and acknowledge those evils in myself, they disappear and MMY (or the World or whatever) smiles that much brighter. Case in point: One of MMY's big flaws IMO has always been his disgusting tendency to fawn over the rich and famous. So what happens? Last night I see Janis Ian and to anyone's outward eyes, I am fawning over the rich and famous. But now I understand what's going on from the inside: from my point of view, everyone (and everything) is exactly the same, EXCEPT -- by virtue of how much appreciation they are willing to take from this me. I am pouring Love and Soma on and into Janis Ian simply because she will TAKE IT ALL -- the more I pour on, the brighter and happier we get, and she turns right around and pours it into her music and gives it right back to thousands of people. See? She is EFFICIENT --- a) she will transpersonally TAKE the energy (instead of saying gag me, for example) and b) she is naturally (at this moment anyhow) Group- conscious, and in a position to USE that energy for countless others of Us. A bargain! :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Photo proof positive of Pundit project.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, easyone200 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is the possibility that you created this experience for yourself due to your overwhelming desire or expectation. M is a con man at least 99.99% of the time, let's just make that 100% and give yourself credit for your own good experiences. Ditto for the rest of these guru con artists. On the one hand, you are absolutely right; it is all Self appreciating Self. On the other hand, it is not the work of the ego, which was knocked flat on its petulant ass, stretched kicking and screaming between absolute bliss and absolute suffering simultaneously. In fact, the action of Self flooding into Self EXPOSED the ego for the petulant ass it was. Thanks for asking this, as it brings up another point. The longer I have lived and the better I have gotten to know myself, the more I realize MMY is just a particularly stupendous mirror. Everything I have ever judged in him, I have later come to see in myself. As I have come to recognize and acknowledge those evils in myself, they disappear and MMY (or the World or whatever) smiles that much brighter. Case in point: One of MMY's big flaws IMO has always been his disgusting tendency to fawn over the rich and famous. So what happens? Last night I see Janis Ian and to anyone's outward eyes, I am fawning over the rich and famous. But now I understand what's going on from the inside: from my point of view, everyone (and everything) is exactly the same, EXCEPT -- by virtue of how much appreciation they are willing to take from this me. I am pouring Love and Soma on and into Janis Ian simply because she will TAKE IT ALL -- the more I pour on, the brighter and happier we get, and she turns right around and pours it into her music and gives it right back to thousands of people. See? She is EFFICIENT --- a) she will transpersonally TAKE the energy (instead of saying gag me, for example) and b) she is naturally (at this moment anyhow) Group- conscious, and in a position to USE that energy for countless others of Us. A bargain! For me, this is an interesting idea. Has me thinking in a different way about the struggle to integrate the opposing aspects of MMY's behavior. It is not hard to see peers, friends and family in shades of gray - that they can be wonderful in some ways, average in some aspects, and have significant faults in other ways. Still, we love them. But gurus and enlightened people were supposed to be perfect, or so we once thought. So, I guess you are saying that what we perceive as faults in gurus is really something else going on, something useful for ourselves and for others. This is what true believers always use to justify immoral or unpleasant behavior on the guru's part. (I am not calling you a true believer, btw.) I think until I myself have the perception to see as you do, it is best to go with some sort of balance between mind, heart and gut feelings. Keeps it simple and real, and encourages compassion and basic kindness in all of us. We can all stretch our understanding of what we perceive to an extent, but it is dangerous to keep doubting and second guessing our own perceptions and feelings beyond a certain point. I know you are not advocating that, - in fact you just had your own very real experience. Sounds as if the entire evening was terrific on every level. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Photo proof positive of Pundit project.
--- wayback71 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: big snip For me, this is an interesting idea. Has me thinking in a different way about the struggle to integrate the opposing aspects of MMY's behavior. It is not hard to see peers, friends and family in shades of gray - that they can be wonderful in some ways, average in some aspects, and have significant faults in other ways. I have always found this point very interesting. We have no problem with our friends and loved-ones having faults and shortcomings. Our authentic love and appreciation of them is never ruined by their occasional asinine behavior or comment. But we need our gurus and spiritual teachers to be perfect (and what does that even mean?) Perhaps we need a relative expression of That pristine, empty, complete consciousness and we burden the limited mind/body of that guru with that (infantile?) need/projection. Also there truly (from CC up) is no person or individuality called MMY. Whatever was left of Brahmachariya Mahesh left many decades ago while he was sitting on a porch with Guru Dev. There is no ego driving MMY. MMY is just a point value fully open to THAT. And that infinite point value behaves in ways that upsets our point value! Interesting.. -Peter Still, we love them. But gurus and enlightened people were supposed to be perfect, or so we once thought. So, I guess you are saying that what we perceive as faults in gurus is really something else going on, something useful for ourselves and for others. This is what true believers always use to justify immoral or unpleasant behavior on the guru's part. (I am not calling you a true believer, btw.) I think until I myself have the perception to see as you do, it is best to go with some sort of balance between mind, heart and gut feelings. Keeps it simple and real, and encourages compassion and basic kindness in all of us. We can all stretch our understanding of what we perceive to an extent, but it is dangerous to keep doubting and second guessing our own perceptions and feelings beyond a certain point. I know you are not advocating that, - in fact you just had your own very real experience. Sounds as if the entire evening was terrific on every level. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Photo proof positive of Pundit project.
On Apr 10, 2005, at 8:45 AM, Rick Archer wrote: Have you ever been with him in person - close proximity? True enlightenment is not limited by space or distance. Are you saying what he emanates IS more powerful up close? If so, this is an important point as it would indicate that MMY's power is something other than enlightenment. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Photo proof positive of Pundit project.
This is a really nice post, wayback. Right, I am certainly NOT advocating rationalizing away another's behavior as a means of denial or suppressing our own feelings. Those feelings are worthy of our attention. I am only saying that everyone outside ourself -- be they guru, spouse, or George W. Bush -- is an absolutely innocent mirror of our own dramas. Clean up our own act and the mirror miraculously cleans up as well. The shoulds and oughts we place on others' behavior and on Life turn out to be all self-judgement, and once we admit the possibility of the evil in ourselves that we have been condemning out there, it resolves. One way or another, that behavior is no longer an issue; I no longer need it. Just because I no longer know if MMY is a con-man or not, doesn't mean I am going to write out a $100K check to him. It's just not an issue. He is an innocent mirror, not my source and sustenance. Everything he was to me, I now am to myself. Byron Katie is one of the best at providing a quick and easy means to turn this around. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For me, this is an interesting idea. Has me thinking in a different way about the struggle to integrate the opposing aspects of MMY's behavior. It is not hard to see peers, friends and family in shades of gray - that they can be wonderful in some ways, average in some aspects, and have significant faults in other ways. Still, we love them. But gurus and enlightened people were supposed to be perfect, or so we once thought. So, I guess you are saying that what we perceive as faults in gurus is really something else going on, something useful for ourselves and for others. This is what true believers always use to justify immoral or unpleasant behavior on the guru's part. (I am not calling you a true believer, btw.) I think until I myself have the perception to see as you do, it is best to go with some sort of balance between mind, heart and gut feelings. Keeps it simple and real, and encourages compassion and basic kindness in all of us. We can all stretch our understanding of what we perceive to an extent, but it is dangerous to keep doubting and second guessing our own perceptions and feelings beyond a certain point. I know you are not advocating that, - in fact you just had your own very real experience. Sounds as if the entire evening was terrific on every level. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Photo proof positive of Pundit project.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 10, 2005, at 8:45 AM, Rick Archer wrote: Have you ever been with him in person - close proximity? True enlightenment is not limited by space or distance. Are you saying what he emanates IS more powerful up close? If so, this is an important point as it would indicate that MMY's power is something other than enlightenment. From this point of view, what you are saying is entirely correct -- there is no timespace where Self is concerned. But that part of us that still believed in timespace was utterly blown away by his proximity, for we could no longer use the illusion of timespace to ignore him. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Photo proof positive of Pundit project.
I don't think that's it at all, Dr. Pete. How many friends and loved ones have ever taken you for tens of thousands of $s, all while constantly going back on their word? And if they did, I would guess they would not remain your friends for long--or at least I hope not. I don't sense too many expect perfection. But an endless litany of broken promises done with no regard for the feelings of others, and esoteric BS that is supposed to pass for knowledge, is not usually too fulfilling for very many people. It almost seems a little masochistic to me the way some are more than happy to throw themselves under the train, so to speak, like for this latest inanity. Or to keep buying the same grossly-overpriced Ayurvedic 'remedies' over and over, despite the fact that no noticeable health changes occur, at least none for the better. Then again, I never considered MMY my personal guru, so perhaps my take is different than those that were close to him, or wanted to be. Sal On Apr 10, 2005, at 9:19 AM, Peter Sutphen wrote: I have always found this point very interesting. We have no problem with our friends and loved-ones having faults and shortcomings. Our authentic love and appreciation of them is never ruined by their occasional asinine behavior or comment. But we need our gurus and spiritual teachers to be perfect
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Photo proof positive of Pundit project.
on 4/10/05 9:19 AM, Peter Sutphen at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have always found this point very interesting. We have no problem with our friends and loved-ones having faults and shortcomings. Our authentic love and appreciation of them is never ruined by their occasional asinine behavior or comment. But we need our gurus and spiritual teachers to be perfect (and what does that even mean?) Perhaps we need a relative expression of That pristine, empty, complete consciousness and we burden the limited mind/body of that guru with that (infantile?) need/projection. Also there truly (from CC up) is no person or individuality called MMY. Whatever was left of Brahmachariya Mahesh left many decades ago while he was sitting on a porch with Guru Dev. There is no ego driving MMY. MMY is just a point value fully open to THAT. And that infinite point value behaves in ways that upsets our point value! Interesting.. -Peter Most of us were raised on MMY's teaching that being established in Being results in relative perfection: perfect health, ideal social behavior, harmony with and mastery of all the laws of nature, all good everywhere, no good nowhere, etc., and MMY was implicitly and even explicitly held up as the personification of those ideals. So a lot of people have difficulty letting go of those ideas even when reality repeatedly contradicts them. Instead, they try to reinterpret or deny reality to fit their concepts. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Photo proof positive of Pundit project.
On Apr 10, 2005, at 10:40 AM, Rory Goff wrote: But that part of us that still believed in timespace was utterly blown away by his proximity, for we could no longer use the illusion of timespace to ignore him. There's little need to talk of time-space where you're in the same place at the same time with a person! Unless of course you dissociate a lot. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Photo proof positive of Pundit project.
On Apr 10, 2005, at 11:30 AM, Rick Archer wrote: Instead, they try to reinterpret or deny reality to fit their concepts. Wise observations. In effect, to remain a faithful follower, you would have to become an enabler. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Photo proof positive of Pundit project.
On Apr 10, 2005, at 11:34 AM, Rick Archer wrote: If so, this is an important point as it would indicate that MMY's power is something other than enlightenment. I'm not convinced of that. I guess I wouldn't have been either had I not experienced it myself. I have received transmission or initiation at a distance from numerous teachers. One, I found out later (from Gurumayi) occurred at the precise time she did darshan hundreds of miles away. Strange but true. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Photo proof positive of Pundit project.
on 4/10/05 10:38 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 10, 2005, at 11:30 AM, Rick Archer wrote: Instead, they try to reinterpret or deny reality to fit their concepts. Wise observations. In effect, to remain a faithful follower, you would have to become an enabler. Not sure exactly what you men by that, but you know, in the movement, there's this theme of being in tune with Maharishi's thinking. For most, this means adjusting your own ways of thinking and feeling to accommodate whatever Maharishi says or does. Raja Nader Ram, south entrances, praise of Robert Mugabe, pundit promises, whatever. You cast aside doubts and adjust your world view to accept it. If you have doubts or don't accept it, there must be something wrong with your thinking. Naturally, those who have been most successful at this have become rather weird to normal eyes. Hey, but normal eyes belong to the ignorant world. We don't care what they think. We know better. We've already got one foot in sat yuga. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Photo proof positive of Pundit project.
--- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/10/05 10:42 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 10, 2005, at 11:34 AM, Rick Archer wrote: If so, this is an important point as it would indicate that MMY's power is something other than enlightenment. I'm not convinced of that. I guess I wouldn't have been either had I not experienced it myself. I have received transmission or initiation at a distance from numerous teachers. One, I found out later (from Gurumayi) occurred at the precise time she did darshan hundreds of miles away. Strange but true. I've had that from Maharishi, on several occasions. As have others. At least that's what I thought it was. I was initiated by MMY during a dream on my SCI course before I saw him. A very powerful experience. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Photo proof positive of Pundit project.
On Apr 10, 2005, at 11:46 AM, Rick Archer wrote: You cast aside doubts and adjust your world view to accept it. If you have doubts or don't accept it, there must be something wrong with your thinking. When I was taught--actually by my teacher--how to approach the teaching, I was taught the ways to approach and test the teacher and there were ways to approach and test the teachings. Regarding the teachings, I was told that I should not accept any teachings blindly, but to test them as if I was testing gold. In other words pound them to see if they are malleable and not fools gold, melt them, mold them, etc.--test them from every angle to see if they have meaning. Then, apply them in practice. Then, and only then, would the teachings come to live inside of me as part of me. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Photo proof positive of Pundit project.
On Apr 10, 2005, at 11:59 AM, Rick Archer wrote: I've had that from Maharishi, on several occasions. As have others. At least that's what I thought it was. Could you share that experience? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Photo proof positive of Pundit project.
On Apr 10, 2005, at 12:04 PM, Peter Sutphen wrote: I was initiated by MMY during a dream on my SCI course before I saw him. A very powerful experience. I've had similar experiences with MMY--or some object appearing as MMY, in a dream. Ultimately I never received verification from the waking MMY that it was consciously done. It was only because of mental changes after the experiences that I was able to give it some validity. At the same time I have to accept the possibility that there is an inner guru aspect within each and everyone of us that assumes a dance of masks. All we have to do is tap in. On the other hand, I have received teachings in dreams and had the teacher ask me later what I remember of it! Based on that, I know it is possible. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Photo proof positive of Pundit project.
on 4/10/05 11:10 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 10, 2005, at 11:46 AM, Rick Archer wrote: You cast aside doubts and adjust your world view to accept it. If you have doubts or don't accept it, there must be something wrong with your thinking. When I was taught--actually by my teacher--how to approach the teaching, I was taught the ways to approach and test the teacher and there were ways to approach and test the teachings. Regarding the teachings, I was told that I should not accept any teachings blindly, but to test them as if I was testing gold. In other words pound them to see if they are malleable and not fools gold, melt them, mold them, etc.--test them from every angle to see if they have meaning. Then, apply them in practice. Then, and only then, would the teachings come to live inside of me as part of me. I presume you're not referring to TM teachings. Lip service is given to this approach in the TM movement, but it doesn't happen in practice. Even the scientists, who should be the most rigorous testers, ignore results which don't support their agenda. Of course, that's not unique to the TM movement. That's the name of the game in the drug industry, genetic engineering, etc. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Photo proof positive of Pundit project.
on 4/10/05 11:11 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 10, 2005, at 11:59 AM, Rick Archer wrote: I've had that from Maharishi, on several occasions. As have others. At least that's what I thought it was. Could you share that experience? Two experiences come to mind. Both happened during dreams. The first was on a 6-month course. In the dream, I was sitting at the front of the hall and MMY was on the dais. He wanted someone to come up. I looked around and no one was making the move, so I got up and knelt in front of his couch. He placed his thumb on my 3rd eye chakra and rubbed it with a twisting motion. I awoke from this dream feeling profoundly surcharged with consciousness. In another dream while I was teaching in Detroit, MMY appeared to me. We were both standing. He walked up close, looked me in the eyes, and said, Such a brilliant mind, but so obsessive. I reached out to him as if to say Help me and he disappeared. I was very obsessive at that stage of my life. There's another one that was much more profound than these, but M wasn't in it. Shiva might have been. I'll tell it later. Going to plant some flowers. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Photo proof positive of Pundit project.
--- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 10, 2005, at 11:46 AM, Rick Archer wrote: You cast aside doubts and adjust your world view to accept it. If you have doubts or don't accept it, there must be something wrong with your thinking. When I was taught--actually by my teacher--how to approach the teaching, I was taught the ways to approach and test the teacher and there were ways to approach and test the teachings. Regarding the teachings, I was told that I should not accept any teachings blindly, but to test them as if I was testing gold. In other words pound them to see if they are malleable and not fools gold, melt them, mold them, etc.--test them from every angle to see if they have meaning. Then, apply them in practice. Then, and only then, would the teachings come to live inside of me as part of me. Exactly! Doing this roots out all moodmaking and artifice that prevents these teachings from bearing fruit. Authenticity leads to liberation. Moodmaking gets you nice and stuck in ignorance. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Photo proof positive of Pundit project.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Most of us were raised on MMY's teaching that being established in Being results in relative perfection: perfect health, ideal social behavior, harmony with and mastery of all the laws of nature, all good everywhere, no good nowhere, etc., and MMY was implicitly and even explicitly held up as the personification of those ideals. So a lot of people have difficulty letting go of those ideas even when reality repeatedly contradicts them. Instead, they try to reinterpret or deny reality to fit their concepts. Yeah, the joke of it is, this Perfection has indeed always been here, but it is best recognized with a unified heart and a translucent intellect -- not with denial and moodmaking. And if you try to point out this self-evident Perfection to someone who hasn't cleaned up their (self-)judgements, they just think you're nuts. :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Photo proof positive of Pundit project.
easyone wrote What is the possibility that you created this experience for yourself due to your overwhelming desire or expectation. M is a con man at least 99.99% of the time, let's just make that 100% and give yourself credit for your own good experiences. Ditto for the rest of these guru con artists. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Easy, do you consider any spiritual teacher, guru, etc. to be legit(not going to argue with you, just curious)? -Peter At this point I think they are either crooks (most of the time) or well meaning people. The experiences are created by the individual. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Photo proof positive of Pundit project.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/10/05 12:45 AM, easyone200 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is the possibility that you created this experience for yourself due to your overwhelming desire or expectation. M is a con man at least 99.99% of the time, let's just make that 100% and give yourself credit for your own good experiences. Ditto for the rest of these guru con artists. Have you ever been with him in person - close proximity? Yes. Many times. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Photo proof positive of Pundit project.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/10/05 12:58 PM, easyone200 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/10/05 12:45 AM, easyone200 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is the possibility that you created this experience for yourself due to your overwhelming desire or expectation. M is a con man at least 99.99% of the time, let's just make that 100% and give yourself credit for your own good experiences. Ditto for the rest of these guru con artists. Have you ever been with him in person - close proximity? Yes. Many times. You didn't feel or don't remember feeling the darshan? You think he's just a mere con man dressed in white robes? I had few blissful experiences the most powerful one was during a puja. Does this mean I don't think he is a crook? No. I think we are all capable of generating these experiences within ourselves. They are extremely powerful. When we associate them with a person, you get a cult of personality or a religion. Wether the object of your worship is sinister or just a plain old crook determines how much of your life is taken advantage of or destroyed. It is similar to a parent that sexually abuses a child. Despite knowing what has been done to them the child still loves the parent and tries forever to integrate how that all powerful loving parental figure could be so horrific and destructive to them. They can't do it and this conflict destroys their lives almost all of the time. These gurus take our spiritual yearning and pervert it for their own selfish sick desires. Wether it is money or sex or just getting off on the power. Look at the bizarre lengths some of the people here go to justify the actions of Maharishi. I thing Brigante wins the prize on this group for the most complete disconnect from the reality of Maharishi's actions and who he thinks he is! OMG a web site devoted to how M is ok and those around him are responsible for all the bad stuff of the TMO. I think he even has footnotes. It is probably a daily struggle for him and causes him much heartache (I'm sure he will disagree.) I am sure there is the occasional guru figure that has good motives and tries to do something for people. I don't think this happens very often because they would not try to be gurus and specially revered if they were not egomaniacs or pathological in some way. easyone To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Photo proof positive of Pundit project.
On Apr 10, 2005, at 12:19 PM, Rick Archer wrote: Even the scientists, who should be the most rigorous testers, ignore results which don't support their agenda. In other words, they either don't have or ignore the null hypothesis--an essential component of statistical analysis! Not good. Of course, that's not unique to the TM movement. That's the name of the game in the drug industry, genetic engineering, etc. Well some parts of these. When you have a government that is run by corporations and money, this is the natural consequence. I thought my post from Fred Reed said it all very nicely. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Photo proof positive of Pundit project.
on 4/10/05 2:00 PM, easyone200 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had few blissful experiences the most powerful one was during a puja. Does this mean I don't think he is a crook? No. I don't have a problem with believing that he has been a crook in addition to having made great contributions to my life and the world, by virtue of a genuine abundance of consciousness and spiritual wisdom. Contradictory qualities, I know, but unfortunately it seems the two can and often (usually?) do coexist. I think we are all capable of generating these experiences within ourselves. They are extremely powerful. True, but certain people and atmospheres can be more conducive to generating them than others. These gurus take our spiritual yearning and pervert it for their own selfish sick desires. True, and if they're doing this consciously it seems pretty bad to me. I mean, a young virgin less than half your age comes to you seeking spiritual guidance and you end up screwing her repeatedly. She's sort of into it at the time (probably totally confused) and later hates your guts for it and loses all interest in spirituality. Seems pretty sick to me. I thing Brigante wins the prize on this group for the most complete disconnect from the reality of Maharishi's actions and who he thinks he is! OMG a web site devoted to how M is ok and those around him are responsible for all the bad stuff of the TMO. I think he even has footnotes. It is probably a daily struggle for him and causes him much heartache (I'm sure he will disagree.) I think he will, because he probably manages to insulate himself from heartache as he manages to insulate himself from accepting obvious, well-documented interpretations of things. Maybe the two are the same process. I am sure there is the occasional guru figure that has good motives and tries to do something for people. I don't think this happens very often because they would not try to be gurus and specially revered if they were not egomaniacs or pathological in some way. That's like saying all politicians are egomaniacs or pathological or they wouldn't be politicians. Almost a truism but I think there are a few good eggs in both fields. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Photo proof positive of Pundit project.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, easyone200 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip ... I had few blissful experiences the most powerful one was during a puja. Does this mean I don't think he is a crook? No. I think we are all capable of generating these experiences within ourselves. They are extremely powerful. When we associate them with a person, you get a cult of personality or a religion. easyone.. snip Easy one unplugged. And he's even in a relatively good mood. lurk To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Photo proof positive of Pundit project.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, easyone200 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/10/05 12:58 PM, easyone200 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/10/05 12:45 AM, easyone200 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is the possibility that you created this experience for yourself due to your overwhelming desire or expectation. M is a con man at least 99.99% of the time, let's just make that 100% and give yourself credit for your own good experiences. Ditto for the rest of these guru con artists. Have you ever been with him in person - close proximity? Yes. Many times. You didn't feel or don't remember feeling the darshan? You think he's just a mere con man dressed in white robes? I had few blissful experiences the most powerful one was during a puja. Does this mean I don't think he is a crook? No. I think we are all capable of generating these experiences within ourselves. They are extremely powerful. When we associate them with a person, you get a cult of personality or a religion. Wether the object of your worship is sinister or just a plain old crook determines how much of your life is taken advantage of or destroyed. It is similar to a parent that sexually abuses a child. Despite knowing what has been done to them the child still loves the parent and tries forever to integrate how that all powerful loving parental figure could be so horrific and destructive to them. They can't do it and this conflict destroys their lives almost all of the time. These gurus take our spiritual yearning and pervert it for their own selfish sick desires. Wether it is money or sex or just getting off on the power. Look at the bizarre lengths some of the people here go to justify the actions of Maharishi. I thing Brigante wins the prize on this group for the most complete disconnect from the reality of Maharishi's actions and who he thinks he is! OMG a web site devoted to how M is ok and those around him are responsible for all the bad stuff of the TMO. I think he even has footnotes. It is probably a daily struggle for him and causes him much heartache (I'm sure he will disagree.) I am sure there is the occasional guru figure that has good motives and tries to do something for people. I don't think this happens very often because they would not try to be gurus and specially revered if they were not egomaniacs or pathological in some way. easyone easyone: 1. Did you ever practice Maharishi's yogic flying? 2. Did you hop sometimes as a spontaneous, non-physical intent? 3. What were your most memorable inner experiences during yogic flying? 4. Did you have interesting or nice (out of the ordinary - not every day nice such as too much coffee or something), once a week on average or more? 5. Did you notice a difference in a large group, as opposed to being on your own? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Photo proof positive of Pundit project.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/10/05 2:00 PM, easyone200 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had few blissful experiences the most powerful one was during a puja. Does this mean I don't think he is a crook? No. I don't have a problem with believing that he has been a crook in addition to having made great contributions to my life and the world, by virtue of a genuine abundance of consciousness and spiritual wisdom. Contradictory qualities, I know, but unfortunately it seems the two can and often (usually?) do coexist. I think we are all capable of generating these experiences within ourselves. They are extremely powerful. True, but certain people and atmospheres can be more conducive to generating them than others. These gurus take our spiritual yearning and pervert it for their own selfish sick desires. True, and if they're doing this consciously it seems pretty bad to me. I mean, a young virgin less than half your age comes to you seeking spiritual guidance and you end up screwing her repeatedly. She's sort of into it at the time (probably totally confused) and later hates your guts for it and loses all interest in spirituality. Seems pretty sick to me. I thing Brigante wins the prize on this group for the most complete disconnect from the reality of Maharishi's actions and who he thinks he is! OMG a web site devoted to how M is ok and those around him are responsible for all the bad stuff of the TMO. I think he even has footnotes. It is probably a daily struggle for him and causes him much heartache (I'm sure he will disagree.) I think he will, because he probably manages to insulate himself from heartache as he manages to insulate himself from accepting obvious, well-documented interpretations of things. Maybe the two are the same process. I am sure there is the occasional guru figure that has good motives and tries to do something for people. I don't think this happens very often because they would not try to be gurus and specially revered if they were not egomaniacs or pathological in some way. That's like saying all politicians are egomaniacs or pathological or they wouldn't be politicians. Almost a truism but I think there are a few good eggs in both fields. Less than a few IMO. Good luck in finding them. A wacked out nut job guru is a big price to pay for certain people and atmospheres. I'll light my own incense, thank you. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Photo proof positive of Pundit project.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, easyone200 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/10/05 12:58 PM, easyone200 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/10/05 12:45 AM, easyone200 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is the possibility that you created this experience for yourself due to your overwhelming desire or expectation. M is a con man at least 99.99% of the time, let's just make that 100% and give yourself credit for your own good experiences. Ditto for the rest of these guru con artists. Have you ever been with him in person - close proximity? Yes. Many times. You didn't feel or don't remember feeling the darshan? You think he's just a mere con man dressed in white robes? I had few blissful experiences the most powerful one was during a puja. Does this mean I don't think he is a crook? No. I think we are all capable of generating these experiences within ourselves. They are extremely powerful. When we associate them with a person, you get a cult of personality or a religion. Wether the object of your worship is sinister or just a plain old crook determines how much of your life is taken advantage of or destroyed. It is similar to a parent that sexually abuses a child. Despite knowing what has been done to them the child still loves the parent and tries forever to integrate how that all powerful loving parental figure could be so horrific and destructive to them. They can't do it and this conflict destroys their lives almost all of the time. These gurus take our spiritual yearning and pervert it for their own selfish sick desires. Wether it is money or sex or just getting off on the power. Look at the bizarre lengths some of the people here go to justify the actions of Maharishi. I thing Brigante wins the prize on this group for the most complete disconnect from the reality of Maharishi's actions and who he thinks he is! OMG a web site devoted to how M is ok and those around him are responsible for all the bad stuff of the TMO. I think he even has footnotes. It is probably a daily struggle for him and causes him much heartache (I'm sure he will disagree.) I am sure there is the occasional guru figure that has good motives and tries to do something for people. I don't think this happens very often because they would not try to be gurus and specially revered if they were not egomaniacs or pathological in some way. easyone easyone: 1. Did you ever practice Maharishi's yogic flying? 2. Did you hop sometimes as a spontaneous, non-physical intent? 3. What were your most memorable inner experiences during yogic flying? 4. Did you have interesting or nice (out of the ordinary - not every day nice such as too much coffee or something), once a week on average or more? 5. Did you notice a difference in a large group, as opposed to being on your own? This is all irrelevant to me. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Photo proof positive of Pundit project.
--- off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 10, 2005, at 11:46 AM, Rick Archer wrote: You cast aside doubts and adjust your world view to accept it. If you have doubts or don't accept it, there must be something wrong with your thinking. When I was taught--actually by my teacher--how to approach the teaching, I was taught the ways to approach and test the teacher and there were ways to approach and test the teachings. Regarding the teachings, I was told that I should not accept any teachings blindly, but to test them as if I was testing gold. In other words pound them to see if they are malleable and not fools gold, melt them, mold them, etc.--test them from every angle to see if they have meaning. Then, apply them in practice. Then, and only then, would the teachings come to live inside of me as part of me. Exactly! Doing this roots out all moodmaking and artifice that prevents these teachings from bearing fruit. Authenticity leads to liberation. Moodmaking gets you nice and stuck in ignorance. So if you have a technique that brings waves of bliss crashing through the walls, and that you can literally 'see' repairing and enhancing neurological connections in your brain while you sleep, and that actually improves your spine and heals the cells in your body spontaneously, and you can personally feel this very concretely, and this new awareness gained from said technique, allows you to see directly (even during sleep) into the pure zone of existence that underlies the cosmos, and perceive clearly the pure bliss that is so intense it is almost scary, and a technique that allows your body to feel incredibly weightless and to hop effortlessly, without physical intention, in lotus, in a kind of incredible, blissful, purifying, powerful, and almost miraculous way. If this is one's real and concrete experiences...then, under the afore-mentioned criteria, should one consider that technique worthy of following? Sounds good to me, but I'm not sure of your point. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Photo proof positive of Pundit project.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, easyone200 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/10/05 12:58 PM, easyone200 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/10/05 12:45 AM, easyone200 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is the possibility that you created this experience for yourself due to your overwhelming desire or expectation. M is a con man at least 99.99% of the time, let's just make that 100% and give yourself credit for your own good experiences. Ditto for the rest of these guru con artists. Have you ever been with him in person - close proximity? Yes. Many times. You didn't feel or don't remember feeling the darshan? You think he's just a mere con man dressed in white robes? I had few blissful experiences the most powerful one was during a puja. I've had many many years of continuous bliss. It was pretty much from when I woke up to when I went to sleep. So the value of the teaching has been pretty much self evident, and the reward immense. Less so now probably due to a job situation. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Photo proof positive of Pundit project.
Interesting response. I suppose that if you adopt the TMO's attitude of screwing everyone you can hire pandits and pay them a pittance. Why not? Personally, I think it is unethical, so we pay our pandits generously. Sure, we could hire them for 100 rupees a day but why not honor the knowledge and the pandits by being generous? If we take Dana's assertion that they can get a pundit for 100 rupees, then imagine the profit margin the TMO makes on a TMO yagya! So they charge westerners thousands and pay the Indian pundits a few dollars...this is ethical? As for the supplies...free? Really. I doubt it. Ghee is never free. And 800,000 coconuts? Sure, just go down to the corner and pick 'em up. The TMO has always been organizationally challenged. Why should it change now? The 100,000 will never materialize and I'll bet that eventually we in the US will be blamed for it...not enough support, purity, terrorism, or maybe too much democracy! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dana Sawyer's comments on Ben Collin's assessment of the 100,000 pundit yagya: The figures below seem absurd to me - for many reasons. But what comes to mind first is that MMY needs to find someone else to purchase materials and labor for his yagyas. I hire pandits in Banaras, to do translations and search out texts, at a rate of two hundred rupees per day (less than five bucks) and that is a good pay check. So paying pandits 40 bucks per day to do yagyas is outrageous. Second, materials are basically free, no matter what this email states. You can buy coconuts everywhere in India for five ruppees per (12 cents). Further details if you want them - and I still want to know where this activity is supposedly taking place, so I check it out. BTW, Shankaracarya ashrams don't pay nearly the amount claimed for yagyas. I've just been with two of them Dana Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Thursday, March 31, 2005 at 7:16 PM wrote: -- Forwarded Message From: benjaminccollins [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2005 00:04:05 - To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Photo proof positive of Pundit project. We do yagyas and generally pay our priests $40 a day which is the going rate for Sr. level pundits. We pay the same as the Shankaracharya Ashram which typically pays the best rate of any temple, etc. For a 5-10 priest yagya we add about $100 a day for yagya materials and food (we feed the priests lunch as is tradition). My $100 per day per person was a guess that attempted to factor in travel, lodging, per diem, yagya site, yagya materials, support staff, etc. Admittedly it is a guess, but based on the 108 priest yagya, it seems to me to be in the ball park. If you do a yagya in a really traditional manner, there are always special ingredients that are hard to get but important. Some yagyas I have seen require upwards of 50-60 differnt kinds of herbs, seeds, wood, leaves, vines, fruits, flowers, etc. As an example, a typical yagya will use 4-5 coconuts. So if you have 4000 groups of 25 using 5 coconuts a day for 40 days, that is 800,000 coconuts! Another example is that a typical yagya will use 1 quart of ghee per priest. So you have 250,000 gallons of ghee per day for 100,000 priests! (1 million gallons for the 40 days) Each repetition of the mantra requires about 1-2 tablespoons of ghee so it is difficult if not impossible to reduce the amount if you are doing a genuine traditional yagya. Finally, the yagya fire is traditionally made with cakes of cow dung (not wood). For a 5 priest yagya we burn 1 bushel of cakes in a 2 hour yagya. So, if they have 4000 groups of 25 around 1 fire, let's say they'd use 5 bushels per day for a total of 800,000 bushels of cow dung. (there's a joke here that I will let you make yourselves!) I read somewhere that MMY is wanting to do the Sudarshana Yagya. The main Sudarshana mantra called Sudarshana Mula Mantra. It is about 20 lines long. It has significiant power. The thing is that I learned this mantra and have participated in many yagyas with a priest who is a specialist in this mantra. It took me 5 years before I experienced any power from it and I can not ever remotely come close to Narasimha who has been doing this his whole life. There is a process of empowering a mantra that takes time regardless of whether someone is a Brahmin or not. So in my mind, training becomes an issue. I mean, anyone could learn this mantra in a few days. But it won't have any significant effect... I'm not necessarily saying that MMY can't make this happen, but look at some of the physical and logistical factors and you can see that it is a pretty gigantic task! Thanks Ben. Yes, I know $10 was low ball, I just wanted to show that even at that very
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Photo proof positive of Pundit project.
On Apr 9, 2005, at 6:57 PM, benjaminccollins wrote: If we take Dana's assertion that they can get a pundit for 100 rupees, then imagine the profit margin the TMO makes on a TMO yagya! So they charge westerners thousands and pay the Indian pundits a few dollars...this is ethical? Very nicely and appropriately conveyed Ben. I fear the true depth of TMO's unethical behavior may never be known. Certainly when yogi Karve was around the TMO, MMY made sure anyone wanting a sitting with him paid 500 dollars or more--yet this humble yogi never takes money--and back then his supporters only asked for donations. Some will never see what MMY really is--a shrewd, ruthless businessman--and always imagine (often by monetary-inspired placebo effect--esp. ex-teachers) him as something exalted. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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on 4/9/05 8:46 PM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some will never see what MMY really is--a shrewd, ruthless businessman--and always imagine (often by monetary-inspired placebo effect--esp. ex-teachers) him as something exalted. The real challenge is to see him as both, right Peter? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know how much of a challenge it is. I've expereinced him as Brahman and I've experienced him as the con man. I can't deny either. Altogether a pretty interesting dude who has had a significant impact on this life! -Peter Yeah, I have to say it surely wasn't hard to see him as a blazing Sun; if he ever looked at you on the India course he'd flood you out into golden infinity. The energy around him was like a blast furnace. And then there's the equally-obvious human side, just to spice up the Brahman paradox *lol* That darshan of Brahman is just amazing. It's the same with Punditji, but the paradox with him is that everything is so casual and then he catches your eye and POW! When he was here a few weeks ago I was driving the people traveling with him back to the hotel and Steve Spurver was driving Punditji in another car. Steve and I and were goofing around passing and repassing each other. At a stop light Punditji rolls down his window and I roll down mine and he gives me this super languid look that opens into infinity and then the light turns green. Time to go! -Peter To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Photo proof positive of Pundit project.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That darshan of Brahman is just amazing. It's the same with Punditji, but the paradox with him is that everything is so casual and then he catches your eye and POW! When he was here a few weeks ago I was driving the people traveling with him back to the hotel and Steve Spurver was driving Punditji in another car. Steve and I and were goofing around passing and repassing each other. At a stop light Punditji rolls down his window and I roll down mine and he gives me this super languid look that opens into infinity and then the light turns green. Time to go! -Peter *lol* :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Photo proof positive of Pundit project.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know how much of a challenge it is. I've expereinced him as Brahman and I've experienced him as the con man. I can't deny either. Altogether a pretty interesting dude who has had a significant impact on this life! -Peter Yeah, I have to say it surely wasn't hard to see him as a blazing Sun; if he ever looked at you on the India course he'd flood you out into golden infinity. The energy around him was like a blast furnace. And then there's the equally-obvious human side, just to spice up the Brahman paradox *lol* What is the possibility that you created this experience for yourself due to your overwhelming desire or expectation. M is a con man at least 99.99% of the time, let's just make that 100% and give yourself credit for your own good experiences. Ditto for the rest of these guru con artists. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Photo proof positive of Pundit project.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, benjaminccollins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I read somewhere that MMY is wanting to do the Sudarshana Yagya. The main Sudarshana mantra called Sudarshana Mula Mantra. It is about 20 lines long. Is it, perchance, from Rgveda? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Photo proof positive of Pundit project.
HeyI don't get to read FFL all that often...so what is this? Puja.net is really my own pundit project and has NOTHING to do with TMO! I started it 5 years ago because I couldn't afford TMO yagyas. Yagyas when performed by qualified priests are great and effective. Nothing agains MMY, but he wasn't going to do anything for me so I did it myself. Ben Collins --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], mathatbrahman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At http://www.puja.net --- End forwarded message --- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Photo proof positive of Pundit project.
Any plans to subcontract to the current 100 000 pundit/40 day MMY yagya? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, benjaminccollins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HeyI don't get to read FFL all that often...so what is this? Puja.net is really my own pundit project and has NOTHING to do with TMO! I started it 5 years ago because I couldn't afford TMO yagyas. Yagyas when performed by qualified priests are great and effective. Nothing agains MMY, but he wasn't going to do anything for me so I did it myself. Ben Collins --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], mathatbrahman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At http://www.puja.net --- End forwarded message --- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Photo proof positive of Pundit project.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, benjaminccollins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HeyI don't get to read FFL all that often...so what is this? Puja.net is really my own pundit project and has NOTHING to do with TMO! I started it 5 years ago because I couldn't afford TMO yagyas. Yagyas when performed by qualified priests are great and effective. Nothing agains MMY, but he wasn't going to do anything for me so I did it myself. Ben Collins Ben, I don't think many on FFL gave that post much notice or credence. On a related topic though, did you see the below post? You posted a while back that any such large scale recruitment of pundits is almost immediately known in all the temples. With your many contacts, could you help give an India-side account of any new pundit activity by the TMO? Or lack thereof. Also, Dana Sawyer, a prof of religious studies specializing in Indian culture an religions, fluent in hindi, and a sometimes participant in this list, is currently in India and has volunteered to check out leads on MMY/TMO pundit training to verify what is going on. So any leads you also be sent to Dana. Also, any new news on the Shankaracharaya of Kanchi jail situation? == From a friend [or Rick Archer]: Here is news to cheer everyone up. Maharishi is right now assembling 100,000 pundits in India to do a massive yagya of 40 days duration, similar to the one that Guru Dev did in 1945 which was instrumental in ending World War II. The movement doesn't have enough to make 100,000 so they are hiring experienced pundits to perform the chanting and ceremonies. He said that Sat Yuga will arrive by July 21st, Guru Purnimah, this year! The exact dates of the yagya have not been announced yet. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Photo proof positive of Pundit project.
I'll see what I can find out. If they are getting people from Tamil Nadu, I am reasonably certain that my priest friends will hear about it. As for the Kanchi Shankaracharya I have not heard anything recently. It is difficult to get anyone to talk about it openly because they are pretty afraid of the government, wire taps, etc. Ben --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, benjaminccollins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HeyI don't get to read FFL all that often...so what is this? Puja.net is really my own pundit project and has NOTHING to do with TMO! I started it 5 years ago because I couldn't afford TMO yagyas. Yagyas when performed by qualified priests are great and effective. Nothing agains MMY, but he wasn't going to do anything for me so I did it myself. Ben Collins Ben, I don't think many on FFL gave that post much notice or credence. On a related topic though, did you see the below post? You posted a while back that any such large scale recruitment of pundits is almost immediately known in all the temples. With your many contacts, could you help give an India-side account of any new pundit activity by the TMO? Or lack thereof. Also, Dana Sawyer, a prof of religious studies specializing in Indian culture an religions, fluent in hindi, and a sometimes participant in this list, is currently in India and has volunteered to check out leads on MMY/TMO pundit training to verify what is going on. So any leads you also be sent to Dana. Also, any new news on the Shankaracharaya of Kanchi jail situation? == From a friend [or Rick Archer]: Here is news to cheer everyone up. Maharishi is right now assembling 100,000 pundits in India to do a massive yagya of 40 days duration, similar to the one that Guru Dev did in 1945 which was instrumental in ending World War II. The movement doesn't have enough to make 100,000 so they are hiring experienced pundits to perform the chanting and ceremonies. He said that Sat Yuga will arrive by July 21st, Guru Purnimah, this year! The exact dates of the yagya have not been announced yet. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Photo proof positive of Pundit project.
Not that I have heard of. But I will try to find out. I think 100,000 priests is a LOT of people. The TMO will have to pay them very well to get good ones to travel north for this. Many of them will have temple duties that can not be neglected, so it iwll be interesting to see. Genuine Priests/Pundits are a pretty particular lot so it iwll be interesting to see what happens. Not saying that it won't or can't happen, but it will take a lot of money! Ben --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any plans to subcontract to the current 100 000 pundit/40 day MMY yagya? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, benjaminccollins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HeyI don't get to read FFL all that often...so what is this? Puja.net is really my own pundit project and has NOTHING to do with TMO! I started it 5 years ago because I couldn't afford TMO yagyas. Yagyas when performed by qualified priests are great and effective. Nothing agains MMY, but he wasn't going to do anything for me so I did it myself. Ben Collins --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], mathatbrahman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At http://www.puja.net --- End forwarded message --- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Photo proof positive of Pundit project.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, benjaminccollins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not that I have heard of. But I will try to find out. I think 100,000 priests is a LOT of people. The TMO will have to pay them very well to get good ones to travel north for this. Many of them will have temple duties that can not be neglected, so it iwll be interesting to see. Genuine Priests/Pundits are a pretty particular lot so it iwll be interesting to see what happens. Not saying that it won't or can't happen, but it will take a lot of money! Ben If the costwere $10/day for pundits, materials, food and facilities -- probably too low, the cost would be $40 million for 40 days. $25/day would cost $100 million. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Photo proof positive of Pundit project.
A decent yagaya will cost a LOT more than $10/day. A qualified priest will want to be paid at least 300-500 rupees per day and will expect to be transported, housed, and fed. Are they expected to campout for 40 days? If not, then where will they be housed. The yagya itself will require lots of materials (ghee, fruits, sandalwood, etc. which are not cheap even in India. But with 100,000 priests then you are talking (literally) tons of fruits, coconuts, ghee, flowers, etc. I honestly doubt that the physical infrastructure would be there to simply move all these materials to the site on a daily basis without major amounts of chaos. And consider the support staff which will have to be considerable; cooks, people to manage all the yagya supplies, etc. Figure that for every 50 priests you will need another 10-15 people and they too will want to be paid, need to be housed and fed. Bottom line? If it could be organized...then it would take 125,000 people in total and your total costs per person would be at least $100 per day. A lot of money for 40 days... As a point of perspective, I helped organize a 1 week yagya with 108 priests in India for Michael Love's 61st birthday several years ago. It was a logistical nightmare...we pulled it off but it took a huge amount of work. As I recall, we spent about $35,000 which would be close to $50/day and what we did was very simple. Finally, in India priests are divided into 2 categories; temple priests (bhattars) and outside priests (shastrigal) who perform pujas/yagyas in people's homes etc. The temple priests would not be able to participate in the large scale yagya because their temple duties are very rigid and rather strictly enforced. Long term absences are not generally an option. That leaves the shastri's. How do you contact them? There is no organization...no database...no master phone list. And you want to make 100,000 phone calls..in India?! The other option is to create priests...get 100,000 people and teach them a mantra and a simple yagya. But even then, to be done properly you would have to have a real priest supervising and doing the more complicated mantras that area done for a yagya. Say a ratio of 1 real priest to 25 new priests and you still have to find 4,000 qualified priests. Even then in the hands of beginers the mantras will have (relatively speaking) no power. So what's the point in doing it? Finally, from recent reports, MMY wants to do this yagya as a Sudarshana Yagya. Sudarshana is Vishnu's weapon; a discus of light given to him by Lord Shiva. The times I have seen a priest who has mastered the mantra use it are very very impressive. It is not a gentle peace love and understanding sort of mantra. So if MMY pulls this off, we can expect some fireworks in some form. Ben --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, benjaminccollins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not that I have heard of. But I will try to find out. I think 100,000 priests is a LOT of people. The TMO will have to pay them very well to get good ones to travel north for this. Many of them will have temple duties that can not be neglected, so it iwll be interesting to see. Genuine Priests/Pundits are a pretty particular lot so it iwll be interesting to see what happens. Not saying that it won't or can't happen, but it will take a lot of money! Ben If the costwere $10/day for pundits, materials, food and facilities -- probably too low, the cost would be $40 million for 40 days. $25/day would cost $100 million. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Photo proof positive of Pundit project.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, benjaminccollins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not that I have heard of. But I will try to find out. I think 100,000 priests is a LOT of people. The TMO will have to pay them very well to get good ones to travel north for this. Many of them will have temple duties that can not be neglected, so it iwll be interesting to see. Genuine Priests/Pundits are a pretty particular lot so it iwll be interesting to see what happens. Not saying that it won't or can't happen, but it will take a lot of money! Ben If the costwere $10/day for pundits, materials, food and facilities -- probably too low, the cost would be $40 million for 40 days. $25/day would cost $100 million. If pundits are hired for this yagya, taking them away from doing yagyas at their temples to the maha yagya site, is there much net gain? The number of yagyas are the same, just different location plus similtaneous chanting of same yagya. How many pundits would go from not doing yagyas to doing yagyas on the 40 yagya days? If there are 100,000 pundit available, what would they all be doing if they were not hired for the maha yagya. I assume a good % would be doing yagyas, whether they are hired to do do them, or just for themselves, familiy etc. So again, how much net effect can we expect? How much greater gain is there for same location, same yagya? If there is a lot of increased gained for same site and same yagya at same time, why don't pundits get together periodically to do this anyway -- if the extra effect is so powerful? Could there be a downside? 100,000 pundits all brought to one site for 40 days will probably have to live communally in large tents -- sleepimng on the ground or on cots. They will be tired from travel to the site. Toilet and bathing facilities may be quite strained. Food will be mass cooking, not the nice home cooked meals they are used to. And it will be monsoon season in India. Lots of wet, soggy pundits are possible. And they will miss their families. Might they actually be less effective in such circumstances compared to doing yagyas back home at thier local temples? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Photo proof positive of Pundit project.
Thanks Ben. Yes, I know $10 was low ball, I just wanted to show that even at that very conservative figure, its expensive. But $100 seems high. What is the rate the puja.net pundits are paid? I thought it was a high rate, to attract the best, around $20-30 / day? Your figure of 300-500 rupees is $6-10 /day. Are ingredients / pundit that expensive? Also, the various constraints discussed in this and adjacent posts point to the need for more net pundits, not just utilizing existing ones. I know only Brahmins are allowed to be pundits. Are there sub-castes of Brahmins from which most pundits come? Some sub-castes of Brahmins that cannot become pundits? Also women cannot be pundits can they? Presumably the caste restrictions have to do with a genetic propensity to chant correctly / optimally. How valid do you believe this is? Instead of importing pundits, long run it would seem prudent and more efficient to train pundits locally. In the US start training local boys and girls. Not from a long line of genetic brahmins. What are your thoughts on this? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, benjaminccollins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A decent yagaya will cost a LOT more than $10/day. A qualified priest will want to be paid at least 300-500 rupees per day and will expect to be transported, housed, and fed. Are they expected to campout for 40 days? If not, then where will they be housed. The yagya itself will require lots of materials (ghee, fruits, sandalwood, etc. which are not cheap even in India. But with 100,000 priests then you are talking (literally) tons of fruits, coconuts, ghee, flowers, etc. I honestly doubt that the physical infrastructure would be there to simply move all these materials to the site on a daily basis without major amounts of chaos. And consider the support staff which will have to be considerable; cooks, people to manage all the yagya supplies, etc. Figure that for every 50 priests you will need another 10-15 people and they too will want to be paid, need to be housed and fed. Bottom line? If it could be organized...then it would take 125,000 people in total and your total costs per person would be at least $100 per day. A lot of money for 40 days... As a point of perspective, I helped organize a 1 week yagya with 108 priests in India for Michael Love's 61st birthday several years ago. It was a logistical nightmare...we pulled it off but it took a huge amount of work. As I recall, we spent about $35,000 which would be close to $50/day and what we did was very simple. Finally, in India priests are divided into 2 categories; temple priests (bhattars) and outside priests (shastrigal) who perform pujas/yagyas in people's homes etc. The temple priests would not be able to participate in the large scale yagya because their temple duties are very rigid and rather strictly enforced. Long term absences are not generally an option. That leaves the shastri's. How do you contact them? There is no organization...no database...no master phone list. And you want to make 100,000 phone calls..in India?! The other option is to create priests...get 100,000 people and teach them a mantra and a simple yagya. But even then, to be done properly you would have to have a real priest supervising and doing the more complicated mantras that area done for a yagya. Say a ratio of 1 real priest to 25 new priests and you still have to find 4,000 qualified priests. Even then in the hands of beginers the mantras will have (relatively speaking) no power. So what's the point in doing it? Finally, from recent reports, MMY wants to do this yagya as a Sudarshana Yagya. Sudarshana is Vishnu's weapon; a discus of light given to him by Lord Shiva. The times I have seen a priest who has mastered the mantra use it are very very impressive. It is not a gentle peace love and understanding sort of mantra. So if MMY pulls this off, we can expect some fireworks in some form. Ben --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, benjaminccollins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not that I have heard of. But I will try to find out. I think 100,000 priests is a LOT of people. The TMO will have to pay them very well to get good ones to travel north for this. Many of them will have temple duties that can not be neglected, so it iwll be interesting to see. Genuine Priests/Pundits are a pretty particular lot so it iwll be interesting to see what happens. Not saying that it won't or can't happen, but it will take a lot of money! Ben If the costwere $10/day for pundits, materials, food and facilities -- probably too low, the cost would be $40 million for 40 days. $25/day would cost $100 million. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Photo proof positive of Pundit project.
It's interesting to consider the veracity of the movement's claim that it has 300K pundits in training in light of Ben's analysis of how difficult and expensive it would be to get 100K pundits together for 40 days. on 3/31/05 4:27 PM, akasha_108 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Ben. Yes, I know $10 was low ball, I just wanted to show that even at that very conservative figure, its expensive. But $100 seems high. What is the rate the puja.net pundits are paid? I thought it was a high rate, to attract the best, around $20-30 / day? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Photo proof positive of Pundit project.
Not to mention the greatest size yajna in history was performed in India recently anyway. - Original Message - From: akasha_108 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 4:27 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Photo proof positive of Pundit project. Thanks Ben. Yes, I know $10 was low ball, I just wanted to show thateven at that very conservative figure, its expensive. But $100 seemshigh. What is the rate the puja.net pundits are paid? I thought it wasa "high" rate, to attract the best, around $20-30 / day?Your figure of 300-500 rupees is $6-10 /day. Are ingredients / punditthat expensive?Also, the various constraints discussed in this and adjacent postspoint to the need for more net pundits, not just utilizing existingones. I know only Brahmins are allowed to be pundits. Are theresub-castes of Brahmins from which most pundits come? Some sub-castesof Brahmins that cannot become pundits? Also women cannot be punditscan they? Presumably the caste restrictions have to do with a genetic propensityto chant correctly / optimally. How valid do you believe this is? Instead of importing pundits, long run it would seem prudent and moreefficient to train pundits locally. In the US start training localboys and girls. Not from a long line of genetic brahmins. What areyour thoughts on this? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "benjaminccollins"[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A decent yagaya will cost a LOT more than $10/day. A qualified priest will want to be paid at least 300-500 rupees per day and will expect to be transported, housed, and fed. Are they expected to campout for 40 days? If not, then where will they be housed. The yagya itself will require lots of materials (ghee, fruits, sandalwood, etc. which are not cheap even in India. But with 100,000 priests then you are talking (literally) tons of fruits, coconuts, ghee, flowers, etc. I honestly doubt that the physical infrastructure would be there to simply move all these materials to the site on a daily basis without major amounts of chaos. And consider the support staff which will have to be considerable; cooks, people to manage all the yagya supplies, etc. Figure that for every 50 priests you will need another 10-15 people and they too will want to be paid, need to be housed and fed. Bottom line? If it could be organized...then it would take 125,000 people in total and your total costs per person would be at least $100 per day. A lot of money for 40 days... As a point of perspective, I helped organize a 1 week yagya with 108 priests in India for Michael Love's 61st birthday several years ago. It was a logistical nightmare...we pulled it off but it took a huge amount of work. As I recall, we spent about $35,000 which would be close to $50/day and what we did was very simple. Finally, in India priests are divided into 2 categories; temple priests (bhattars) and "outside" priests (shastrigal) who perform pujas/yagyas in people's homes etc. The temple priests would not be able to participate in the large scale yagya because their temple duties are very rigid and rather strictly enforced. Long term absences are not generally an option. That leaves the shastri's. How do you contact them? There is no organization...no database...no master phone list. And you want to make 100,000 phone calls..in India?! The other option is to create priests...get 100,000 people and teach them a mantra and a simple yagya. But even then, to be done properly you would have to have a real priest supervising and doing the more complicated mantras that area done for a yagya. Say a ratio of 1 real priest to 25 new priests and you still have to find 4,000 qualified priests. Even then in the hands of beginers the mantras will have (relatively speaking) no power. So what's the point in doing it? Finally, from recent reports, MMY wants to do this yagya as a Sudarshana Yagya. Sudarshana is Vishnu's weapon; a discus of light given to him by Lord Shiva. The times I have seen a priest who has mastered the mantra use it are very very impressive. It is not a gentle peace love and understanding sort of mantra. So if MMY pulls this off, we can expect some fireworks in some form. Ben --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "benjaminccollins" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not that I have heard of. But I will try to find out. I think 100,000 priests is a LOT of people. The TMO will have to pay them very well to get good ones to travel north for this. Many of them will have temple duties that can not be neglected, so it iwll be interesting to see. Genuine Priests/Pundits are a pretty parti
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Photo proof positive of Pundit project.
http://www.srdm.org/Archana.htm Greatest and Largest Yajna ever 16 April 2003 to 27 May 2003 (41 Days) at Sree Rama Dasa Ashram, Thiruvananthapuram, Kerala, India Sahasra Koti Lalitha Sahasra Nama Archana to establish peace and prosperity across the world! 1000 Crore Namas and 250 Crore Homa Mantras offered every day to mother goddess to establish world peace 10,000 Archakas, offering 25 rounds of Archana with 5000 lamps chanting 25 Crore Namas each day. 250 Homa kundas, 5000 Hotas in two shifts, 6 Crore Homa mantras offered in 12 consecutive hours each day. Vishnu Sahasranama, Ramayana recital, Bhajans, Aradhana and Sree Rama Pattabhishekam Sanctified by the luminous manifestation of the Mother Goddess on May 30 ,2000 during Sata Koti Archana. To invoke Divine inspiration and spiritual elevation amongst people and to bestow virtues and well being to future generations Special pooja sponsorship rates: Archana for a day (25 crore Namas) $ 10,001.00 Annadanam for a day $ 5001.00 Archana Lamps Others* 1000 Crore Namas $ 501.00 Yantras (with Gold case) $ 501.00 500 Crore Namas $ 301.00 Locket (Gold) $ 301.00 250 Crore Namas $ 201.00 Locket (Silver) $ 101.00 100 Crore Namas $ 101.00 Grithams (Brahmi etc.) $ 51.00 * Items kept at the mandapam for entire pooja duration of 41 days. See details at http://www.srdm.org/ska - Original Message - From: akasha_108 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 5:26 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Photo proof positive of Pundit project. I was going to ask you about that. I remember you posting noticesabout that. Do you have any details on how it came off? How manypundits? days? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "rudra_joe" [EMAIL PROTECTED]... wrote: Not to mention the greatest size yajna in history was performed inIndia recently anyway. - Original Message - From: akasha_108 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 4:27 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Photo proof positive of Pundit project. Thanks Ben. Yes, I know $10 was low ball, I just wanted to show that even at that very conservative figure, its expensive. But $100 seems high. What is the rate the puja.net pundits are paid? I thought it was a "high" rate, to attract the best, around $20-30 / day? Your figure of 300-500 rupees is $6-10 /day. Are ingredients / pundit that expensive? Also, the various constraints discussed in this and adjacent posts point to the need for more net pundits, not just utilizing existing ones. I know only Brahmins are allowed to be pundits. Are there sub-castes of Brahmins from which most pundits come? Some sub-castes of Brahmins that cannot become pundits? Also women cannot be pundits can they? Presumably the caste restrictions have to do with a genetic propensity to chant correctly / optimally. How valid do you believe this is? Instead of importing pundits, long run it would seem prudent and more efficient to train pundits locally. In the US start training local boys and girls. Not from a long line of genetic brahmins. What are your thoughts on this? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "benjaminccollins" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A decent yagaya will cost a LOT more than $10/day. A qualifiedpriest will want to be paid at least 300-500 rupees per day and will expect to be transported, housed, and fed. Are they expected tocampout for 40 days? If not, then where will they be housed.The yagya itself will require lots of materials (ghee, fruits, sandalwood, etc. which are not cheap even in India. But with100,000 priests then you are talking (literally) tons of fruits, coconuts, ghee, flowers, etc. I honestly doubt that the physicalinfrastructure would be there to simply move all these materials to the site on a daily basis without major amounts of chaos. And consider the support staff which will have to be considerable; cooks, people to manage all the yagya supplies, etc. Figurethat for every 50 priests you will need another 10-15 people and they toowill want to be paid, need to be housed and fed.Bottom line? If it could be organized...then it would take 125,000 people in total and your total costs per person wou
[FairfieldLife] Re: Photo proof positive of Pundit project.
We do yagyas and generally pay our priests $40 a day which is the going rate for Sr. level pundits. We pay the same as the Shankaracharya Ashram which typically pays the best rate of any temple, etc. For a 5-10 priest yagya we add about $100 a day for yagya materials and food (we feed the priests lunch as is tradition). My $100 per day per person was a guess that attempted to factor in travel, lodging, per diem, yagya site, yagya materials, support staff, etc. Admittedly it is a guess, but based on the 108 priest yagya, it seems to me to be in the ball park. If you do a yagya in a really traditional manner, there are always special ingredients that are hard to get but important. Some yagyas I have seen require upwards of 50-60 differnt kinds of herbs, seeds, wood, leaves, vines, fruits, flowers, etc. As an example, a typical yagya will use 4-5 coconuts. So if you have 4000 groups of 25 using 5 coconuts a day for 40 days, that is 800,000 coconuts! Another example is that a typical yagya will use 1 quart of ghee per priest. So you have 250,000 gallons of ghee per day for 100,000 priests! (1 million gallons for the 40 days) Each repetition of the mantra requires about 1-2 tablespoons of ghee so it is difficult if not impossible to reduce the amount if you are doing a genuine traditional yagya. Finally, the yagya fire is traditionally made with cakes of cow dung (not wood). For a 5 priest yagya we burn 1 bushel of cakes in a 2 hour yagya. So, if they have 4000 groups of 25 around 1 fire, let's say they'd use 5 bushels per day for a total of 800,000 bushels of cow dung. (there's a joke here that I will let you make yourselves!) I read somewhere that MMY is wanting to do the Sudarshana Yagya. The main Sudarshana mantra called Sudarshana Mula Mantra. It is about 20 lines long. It has significiant power. The thing is that I learned this mantra and have participated in many yagyas with a priest who is a specialist in this mantra. It took me 5 years before I experienced any power from it and I can not ever remotely come close to Narasimha who has been doing this his whole life. There is a process of empowering a mantra that takes time regardless of whether someone is a Brahmin or not. So in my mind, training becomes an issue. I mean, anyone could learn this mantra in a few days. But it won't have any significant effect... I'm not necessarily saying that MMY can't make this happen, but look at some of the physical and logistical factors and you can see that it is a pretty gigantic task! Thanks Ben. Yes, I know $10 was low ball, I just wanted to show that even at that very conservative figure, its expensive. But $100 seems high. What is the rate the puja.net pundits are paid? I thought it was a high rate, to attract the best, around $20-30 / day? Your figure of 300-500 rupees is $6-10 /day. Are ingredients / pundit that expensive? Also, the various constraints discussed in this and adjacent posts point to the need for more net pundits, not just utilizing existing ones. I know only Brahmins are allowed to be pundits. Are there sub-castes of Brahmins from which most pundits come? Some sub-castes of Brahmins that cannot become pundits? Also women cannot be pundits can they? Presumably the caste restrictions have to do with a genetic propensity to chant correctly / optimally. How valid do you believe this is? Instead of importing pundits, long run it would seem prudent and more efficient to train pundits locally. In the US start training local boys and girls. Not from a long line of genetic brahmins. What are your thoughts on this? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, benjaminccollins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A decent yagaya will cost a LOT more than $10/day. A qualified priest will want to be paid at least 300-500 rupees per day and will expect to be transported, housed, and fed. Are they expected to campout for 40 days? If not, then where will they be housed. The yagya itself will require lots of materials (ghee, fruits, sandalwood, etc. which are not cheap even in India. But with 100,000 priests then you are talking (literally) tons of fruits, coconuts, ghee, flowers, etc. I honestly doubt that the physical infrastructure would be there to simply move all these materials to the site on a daily basis without major amounts of chaos. And consider the support staff which will have to be considerable; cooks, people to manage all the yagya supplies, etc. Figure that for every 50 priests you will need another 10-15 people and they too will want to be paid, need to be housed and fed. Bottom line? If it could be organized...then it would take 125,000 people in total and your total costs per person would be at least $100 per day. A lot of
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Photo proof positive of Pundit project.
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Photo proof positive of Pundit project. on 3/31/05 5:15 PM, rudra_joe at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not to mention the greatest size yajna in history was performed in India recently anyway. How big? How long? How much $$$? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Photo proof positive of Pundit project.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2003? Well that certainly was of no help. All you have to do is watch the news to know that. I wonder how many on this list ever watched a Vedic priest do a yajna? It is a superstitious event if I ever saw one. Its ritualistic, so is the puja. To me, my experience is that both are wonderful and have quite an effect. And just taking the ritualistic nature of them, by themselves, I find can be quite intriguing and charming, if not beautiful. Superstitious is not the word that comes to my mind. I have not only seen many, I have taken the time to talk to the shastris (the yajni) themselves. They merely memorize sounds. Many do not even know Sanskrit. They simply memorize a sequence of sounds! Some are quite gross by even western standards (e.g. met one shastri who was an alcoholic who craved material possessions). Very few meditate. Some may appear gross, some may be gross, i am sure. Sometimes this is a cultural difference. The ones I have seen and met are wonderful people. Ben can speak much more thoroughly on this -- having seen and met many pundits. Regarding not meditating -- the pundits are absorbed in mantra 10 or more hours a day -- whether they close their eyes or not. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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. rudra_joe wrote: Not to mention the greatest size yajna in history was performed in India recently anyway. really? what was the intended result? did it suceed?? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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On Mar 31, 2005, at 8:09 PM, akasha_108 wrote: Superstitious is not the word that comes to my mind. Mediation via priests (whether TM or other) one just never knows. Much better to be a yogi and know yourself. DIY. Otherwise one is always susceptible to a third party. Union is primary. Priests are tertiary. DIY. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
