[FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Cliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And to be caught up in revulsion towards your own genitals is even stranger. I find it very revealing that many in the TMO refer to the genitals as if they are something out there, and the phrase is usually accompanied with body language of distinct distaste. Sort of on the same level as talking about a particularly smelly bag of garbage... To revile an essential part of your body is remarkably foolsih, IMO, and unfortunately very widespread in the TMO. So much revulsion over such a long period of time cannot be healthy. Yoga-suutra II 40 shaucaat svaanga-jugupsaa parair asaMsargaH Taimni's translation: From physical[that word seems like Taimni's addition] purity (arises) disgust for one's own body and disinclination to come in physical contact with others. Because the above Sanskrit sentence feels somehow elliptic (I for one would expect at least the conjunct 'ca' at the end), it seems the sentence actually continues in the next suutra: sattva-shuddhi-saumanasyaikaagryendriyajayaatma-darshana- yogyatvaani ca. [without sandhi: sattva-shuddhi;saumanasya; ekaagrya; indriya-jaya; aatma-darshana-yogyatvaani ca] Taimni: From mental purity[not in the original suutra] (arises) purity of /sattva/, cheerful-mindedness, one-pointedness, control of the senses and fitness for the vision of the Self. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [...] Good one! I've always wondered why so many spiritual movements give such power to the penis and vagina. They don't bite, do they? To be in bondage to the genitals is such a strange thing! Let me tell you the old Native American story about Long-Cock Man and Tooth-Vagina Woman... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] but eventually, she whittled him down to a size that she could handle and he knocked out all her teeth. They lived happily ever after... ROTFL! Isn't that a great story? I have no idea if its a real Indian story or not, but it's got such a ring of truth to it... I told it to my son. He said the moral was: find your niche and fill it... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers)
Or wake up and realize that this segregation is just another method of control. Humans are essentially very sexy creatures - shutting off one of the greatest sources of spiritual development and inner power is a very effective way to exert control. This is seen both in the sexual yes / no that happens in a relationship and in the mind/energy control that many gurus exert by making their disciples feel guilty about their desires. Wake up! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If they only have one dining hall who gets to eat first? That's the question. Ingegerd Put up a curtain? Or - put on a burka. Ingegerd The teaching is becoming purer end purer. The recertified TM- Teachers, who is men, can only teach men and recert. TM- Teachers that are women can only teach women. In WPA-Courses and week- end- courses, during lecture-time - men and women is separeted. I do not know if they can use same dining-hall. Ingegerd To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers)
And to be caught up in revulsion towards your own genitals is even stranger. I find it very revealing that many in the TMO refer to the genitals as if they are something out there, and the phrase is usually accompanied with body language of distinct distaste. Sort of on the same level as talking about a particularly smelly bag of garbage... To revile an essential part of your body is remarkably foolsih, IMO, and unfortunately very widespread in the TMO. So much revulsion over such a long period of time cannot be healthy. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [...] Good one! I've always wondered why so many spiritual movements give such power to the penis and vagina. They don't bite, do they? To be in bondage to the genitals is such a strange thing! Let me tell you the old Native American story about Long-Cock Man and Tooth-Vagina Woman... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Cliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To revile an essential part of your body is remarkably foolsih, IMO, and unfortunately very widespread in the TMO. So much revulsion over such a long period of time cannot be healthy. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [...] Good one! I've always wondered why so many spiritual movements give such power to the penis and vagina. They don't bite, do they? To be in bondage to the genitals is such a strange thing! Let me tell you the old Native American story about Long-Cock Man and Tooth-Vagina Woman... And to be caught up in revulsion towards your own genitals is even stranger. I find it very revealing that many in the TMO refer to the genitals as if they are something out there, and the phrase is usually accompanied with body language of distinct distaste. Sort of on the same level as talking about a particularly smelly bag of garbage... And who says it is always revulsion? And no-one asked about the old Native American tale about Long-Cock Man and Tooth-Vagina Woman... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip And no-one asked about the old Native American tale about Long- Cock Man and Tooth-Vagina Woman... Tell us, O Sparaig, about Long-Cock Man and Tooth-Vagina woman. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip And no-one asked about the old Native American tale about Long- Cock Man and Tooth-Vagina Woman... Tell us, O Sparaig, about Long-Cock Man and Tooth-Vagina woman. This was told at a World Fantasy Convention by an American Indian author as a way of illustrating how censored white's views of American Indians are (I've been told that some Indian tribes would consider this story terribly offensive while others wouldn't blink an eye): Once there was a man whose cock was far too long for any woman. Any woman who attempted to have relations with him would suffer terribly though many tried. Once there was a woman whose vagina was lined with teeth, and any man who tried to be with her would lose his manhood. One day both were wandering in the forest and came upon each other and passion took them. At first, it was rather unpleasant with teeth and bits of cock flying everywhere, but eventually, she whittled him down to a size that she could handle and he knocked out all her teeth. They lived happily ever after... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip And no-one asked about the old Native American tale about Long- Cock Man and Tooth-Vagina Woman... Tell us, O Sparaig, about Long-Cock Man and Tooth-Vagina woman. This was told at a World Fantasy Convention by an American Indian author as a way of illustrating how censored white's views of American Indians are (I've been told that some Indian tribes would consider this story terribly offensive while others wouldn't blink an eye): Once there was a man whose cock was far too long for any woman. Any woman who attempted to have relations with him would suffer terribly though many tried. Once there was a woman whose vagina was lined with teeth, and any man who tried to be with her would lose his manhood. One day both were wandering in the forest and came upon each other and passion took them. At first, it was rather unpleasant with teeth and bits of cock flying everywhere, but eventually, she whittled him down to a size that she could handle and he knocked out all her teeth. They lived happily ever after... ROTFL! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] but eventually, she whittled him down to a size that she could handle and he knocked out all her teeth. They lived happily ever after... ROTFL! Isn't that a great story? I have no idea if its a real Indian story or not, but it's got such a ring of truth to it... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] but eventually, she whittled him down to a size that she could handle and he knocked out all her teeth. They lived happily ever after... ROTFL! Isn't that a great story? I have no idea if its a real Indian story or not, but it's got such a ring of truth to it... If it isn't, it should be. Probably more of life's problems than we realize are along the same lines and could be as neatly solved. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers)
Maharishi was a master at creating conflict and guilt regading sex. He would come to men's courses and extol the virtues of celibacy then go to the ladies courses and talk about how they should be married. He would talk very very down to people who were in relationships. A dear friend of mine who lived on/worked on M's wing in Europe, with his wife (they ended up divorced) said M was very, very denigrating to couples even though he had them working directly for him. He would frequently have them each working on separate projects, never able to see each other, and it they complained to him that they never got to see their spouse, he, Maharishi, would really put them down in his response, tell them to make a choice. I remember him really putting Chris Wege down in India just before Chris had a vedic wedding ceremony choreographed by Maharishi. But before it happened-the wedding-although Maharishi never used anyone's name in a massive put down of couples and marriage, it was clear he was putting someone down and then Chris's wedding came right after the put down. I know there were many other instances of Maharishi putting couples-relationships-sex down that I personally heard and experienced and it did alter my life. A friend of mine, long time pro TM guy, ardent devotee for almost 40 years now, who had a nervous breakdown years ago after wrestling with the guilt of being married and the whole sex thing, in a final stroke, just before finally being committed (and subsequently making a complete recovery) tried to slice his testicles and other male equupment off. That's how guilty some people became. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Cliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And to be caught up in revulsion towards your own genitals is even stranger. I find it very revealing that many in the TMO refer to the genitals as if they are something out there, and the phrase is usually accompanied with body language of distinct distaste. Sort of on the same level as talking about a particularly smelly bag of garbage... To revile an essential part of your body is remarkably foolsih, IMO, and unfortunately very widespread in the TMO. So much revulsion over such a long period of time cannot be healthy. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [...] Good one! I've always wondered why so many spiritual movements give such power to the penis and vagina. They don't bite, do they? To be in bondage to the genitals is such a strange thing! Let me tell you the old Native American story about Long-Cock Man and Tooth-Vagina Woman... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maharishi was a master at creating conflict and guilt regading sex. He would come to men's courses and extol the virtues of celibacy then go to the ladies courses and talk about how they should be married. He would talk very very down to people who were in relationships. A dear friend of mine who lived on/worked on M's wing in Europe, with his wife (they ended up divorced) said M was very, very denigrating to couples even though he had them working directly for him. He would frequently have them each working on separate projects, never able to see each other, and it they complained to him that they never got to see their spouse, he, Maharishi, would really put them down in his response, tell them to make a choice. I remember him really putting Chris Wege down in India just before Chris had a vedic wedding ceremony choreographed by Maharishi. But before it happened-the wedding-although Maharishi never used anyone's name in a massive put down of couples and marriage, it was clear he was putting someone down and then Chris's wedding came right after the put down. I know there were many other instances of Maharishi putting couples-relationships-sex down that I personally heard and experienced and it did alter my life. A friend of mine, long time pro TM guy, ardent devotee for almost 40 years now, who had a nervous breakdown years ago after wrestling with the guilt of being married and the whole sex thing, in a final stroke, just before finally being committed (and subsequently making a complete recovery) tried to slice his testicles and other male equupment off. That's how guilty some people became. As tragic as that is, any act we commit, we own. It is ours alone. I sincerely hope he is happier now. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip And no-one asked about the old Native American tale about Long- Cock Man and Tooth-Vagina Woman... Tell us, O Sparaig, about Long-Cock Man and Tooth-Vagina woman. This was told at a World Fantasy Convention by an American Indian author as a way of illustrating how censored white's views of American Indians are (I've been told that some Indian tribes would consider this story terribly offensive while others wouldn't blink an eye): Once there was a man whose cock was far too long for any woman. Any woman who attempted to have relations with him would suffer terribly though many tried. Once there was a woman whose vagina was lined with teeth, and any man who tried to be with her would lose his manhood. One day both were wandering in the forest and came upon each other and passion took them. At first, it was rather unpleasant with teeth and bits of cock flying everywhere, but eventually, she whittled him down to a size that she could handle and he knocked out all her teeth. They lived happily ever after... Christ, that's a good story. lurk To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers)
--- Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If they only have one dining hall who gets to eat first? That's the question. Ingegerd Put up a curtain? Or - put on a burka. Ingegerd Good one! I've always wondered why so many spiritual movements give such power to the penis and vagina. They don't bite, do they? To be in bondage to the genitals is such a strange thing! __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If they only have one dining hall who gets to eat first? That's the question. Ingegerd Put up a curtain? Or - put on a burka. Ingegerd Good one! I've always wondered why so many spiritual movements give such power to the penis and vagina. They don't bite, do they? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vagina_dentata Alex To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If they only have one dining hall who gets to eat first? That's the question. Ingegerd Put up a curtain? Or - put on a burka. Ingegerd Good one! I've always wondered why so many spiritual movements give such power to the penis and vagina. They don't bite, do they? To be in bondage to the genitals is such a strange thing! S C A R E D of the S A C R E D :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If they only have one dining hall who gets to eat first? That's the question. Ingegerd Put up a curtain? Or - put on a burka. Ingegerd Good one! I've always wondered why so many spiritual movements give such power to the penis and vagina. They don't bite, do they? To be in bondage to the genitals is such a strange thing! You don't have to wonder any more. Conny Larssons book is for sale, telling what happens when men and women is gathered in the same place. I have not read the book. But it has send some waves of chock among the Sidhas in Norway, probably in the whole Scandinavia. Ingegerd __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Or - put on a burka. Ingegerd Good one! I've always wondered why so many spiritual movements give such power to the penis and vagina. They don't bite, do they? To be in bondage to the genitals is such a strange thing! When my then-boyfriend and I took our flying block at MIU, I was initially very scornful of and pissed off by the separation of men and women, even for the lectures. A week or so into the course, after we'd been flying for a while, I was walking with the women from my pod to the dining hall when we encountered some men one of them knew, and we stopped to chat. At that point the only man I'd spent any time with at all was my boyfriend; we'd sneak quick meetings every now and then to compare notes on our experiences (he was having a very tough time with unstressing; I wasn't). Anyway, to my astonishment and consternation--and unlike when I was with my boyfriend--I found I was extremely uncomfortable in the men's presence; I could hardly wait to get away. They were perfectly nice guys, gentlemanly, not raucous, but there was something about their vibe--can't think of any other way to describe it--that was very disturbing to the vibe I was experiencing at the time. Not a *bad* vibe per se, just one that was strongly incompatible with mine. This was a completely gut reaction, like, say, a fingernail on a blackboard, just jarring. My women course buddies and I hadn't talked about men vs. women, and we hadn't gotten any explanation about why men and women were separated on the course; and as I say, I'd been highly scornful of it to start with. So it must have been a very innocent response on my part. Unless it was a function of unstressing, but I wasn't noticeably unstressing otherwise, and it was so specific to this particular situation. I hadn't felt it with my boyfriend, but we were extremely close and very attuned to each other. Bottom line, I've never again objected to the separation of men and women on courses or in group program. Whatever other sexism there is in the movement, I don't think this has anything to do with it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The teaching is becoming purer end purer. The recertified TM- Teachers, who is men, can only teach men and recert. TM-Teachers that are women can only teach women. In WPA-Courses and week-end- courses, during lecture-time - men and women is separeted. I do not know if they can use same dining-hall. Ingegerd Which is a problem ifthere is only one TM teacher in town. Hence they are encouraging husband and wife teams. Dennise Denniston-Gerace's husband will be joining her team soon, I understand... BTW, while seperation of sexes for education sounds wierd to Westerners (at least in the 20th century), there's plenty of research showing that it can be beneficial, at least for women -at least in school. Perhaps there ARE female-only issues that are best dealt with by females, and likewise with males when it comes to teaching TM? This separation between teaching men and women has some funny side- effects. People who has learned TM from recert. TM-Teachers turn to me ( an independent TM-Teacher) to get following-up, because they are not satisfied with the following-up in the TMO - and the recert. TM- Teacher is very few and not available. In Norway it is one female recert. TM-Teacher. Ingegerd Ingegerd, What is the official price in Norway? Good followup helps to keep people going when their experience changes. Takes empathy. JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers)
What is the official price in Norway? Good followup helps to keep people going when their experience changes. Takes empathy. JohnY The official price is 2.500 Dollar. The TMO has one TM-Center - a combination of Ayur-Vedic Clinic and Academy - where people comes for Pancha-Karma, and some of them start with TM in the 5-7 days where they are in the Academy. Before the recert. courses - it was several TM-Teacher around the country - that could do the following-up after the students left the Academy. Now, it is almost none. And only 1 female recert. TM-Teacher. So many of the new meditators (not that many I think) is very disappointed about the following-up. And that is why some takes contact with me -. They find me on the Internet - or through other channels. Ingegerd To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is the official price in Norway? Good followup helps to keep people going when their experience changes. Takes empathy. JohnY The official price is 2.500 Dollar. The TMO has one TM-Center - a combination of Ayur-Vedic Clinic and Academy - where people comes for Pancha-Karma, and some of them start with TM in the 5-7 days where they are in the Academy. Before the recert. courses - it was several TM-Teacher around the country - that could do the following-up after the students left the Academy. Now, it is almost none. And only 1 female recert. TM-Teacher. So many of the new meditators (not that many I think) is very disappointed about the following-up. And that is why some takes contact with me -. They find me on the Internet - or through other channels. Ingegerd In recent posts where I have asserted that the only real hope for the purity of the teaching lies outside the organization, this is exactly what I had in mind. L B S To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is the official price in Norway? Good followup helps to keep people going when their experience changes. Takes empathy. JohnY The official price is 2.500 Dollar. The TMO has one TM-Center - a combination of Ayur-Vedic Clinic and Academy - where people comes for Pancha-Karma, and some of them start with TM in the 5-7 days where they are in the Academy. Before the recert. courses - it was several TM-Teacher around the country - that could do the following-up after the students left the Academy. Now, it is almost none. And only 1 female recert. TM-Teacher. So many of the new meditators (not that many I think) is very disappointed about the following-up. And that is why some takes contact with me -. They find me on the Internet - or through other channels. Ingegerd In recent posts where I have asserted that the only real hope for the purity of the teaching lies outside the organization, this is exactly what I had in mind. L B S I think you are right. We are a few Independent TM-Teachers in Norway, and we are very much alert to keep the purity in our teaching, and more relaxed about money than the TMO. Other ex-TM- Teachers outside and inside the TMO, is looking over our shoulders all the time, ready to knock us down, if we do something they think are wrong. Another big difference is - we cannot lean on an organisation - we have to be self-supporting. We are the one who are responsible for what we are doing. I have met the same among other Independent TM-Teachers in other countries through the European Network. They are really serious about what they are doing. Ingegerd To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is the official price in Norway? Good followup helps to keep people going when their experience changes. Takes empathy. JohnY The official price is 2.500 Dollar. The TMO has one TM-Center - a combination of Ayur-Vedic Clinic and Academy - where people comes for Pancha-Karma, and some of them start with TM in the 5-7 days where they are in the Academy. Before the recert. courses - it was several TM-Teacher around the country - that could do the following-up after the students left the Academy. Now, it is almost none. And only 1 female recert. TM-Teacher. So many of the new meditators (not that many I think) is very disappointed about the following-up. And that is why some takes contact with me -. They find me on the Internet - or through other channels. Ingegerd In recent posts where I have asserted that the only real hope for the purity of the teaching lies outside the organization, this is exactly what I had in mind. L B S I think you are right. We are a few Independent TM-Teachers in Norway, and we are very much alert to keep the purity in our teaching, and more relaxed about money than the TMO. Other ex-TM- Teachers outside and inside the TMO, is looking over our shoulders all the time, ready to knock us down, if we do something they think are wrong. Another big difference is - we cannot lean on an organisation - we have to be self-supporting. We are the one who are responsible for what we are doing. I have met the same among other Independent TM-Teachers in other countries through the European Network. They are really serious about what they are doing. Ingegerd From time to time the idea gets floated that independants should form an alternate organization, focused only on maintaining teaching standards. That is, it would be concerned only with the instructional aspects of TM teaching, a resource for teachers to help them be confident that they are passing the technique along in the manner they received it. Although this idea seems quite popular, it will clearly not manifest until Maharishi has passed. No one wants to upset or offend him, even though many feel he has made some critical mistakes in his marketing plan. L B S To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is the official price in Norway? Good followup helps to keep people going when their experience changes. Takes empathy. JohnY The official price is 2.500 Dollar. The TMO has one TM- Center - a combination of Ayur-Vedic Clinic and Academy - where people comes for Pancha-Karma, and some of them start with TM in the 5-7 days where they are in the Academy. Before the recert. courses - it was several TM-Teacher around the country - that could do the following-up after the students left the Academy. Now, it is almost none. And only 1 female recert. TM-Teacher. So many of the new meditators (not that many I think) is very disappointed about the following-up. And that is why some takes contact with me -. They find me on the Internet - or through other channels. Ingegerd In recent posts where I have asserted that the only real hope for the purity of the teaching lies outside the organization, this is exactly what I had in mind. L B S I think you are right. We are a few Independent TM-Teachers in Norway, and we are very much alert to keep the purity in our teaching, and more relaxed about money than the TMO. Other ex-TM- Teachers outside and inside the TMO, is looking over our shoulders all the time, ready to knock us down, if we do something they think are wrong. Another big difference is - we cannot lean on an organisation - we have to be self-supporting. We are the one who are responsible for what we are doing. I have met the same among other Independent TM-Teachers in other countries through the European Network. They are really serious about what they are doing. Ingegerd From time to time the idea gets floated that independants should form an alternate organization, focused only on maintaining teaching standards. That is, it would be concerned only with the instructional aspects of TM teaching, a resource for teachers to help them be confident that they are passing the technique along in the manner they received it. Although this idea seems quite popular, it will clearly not manifest until Maharishi has passed. No one wants to upset or offend him, even though many feel he has made some critical mistakes in his marketing plan. L B S If somebody start something like that - only focusing on the teaching - I am in. Ingegerd To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip From time to time the idea gets floated that independants should form an alternate organization, focused only on maintaining teaching standards. That is, it would be concerned only with the instructional aspects of TM teaching, a resource for teachers to help them be confident that they are passing the technique along in the manner they received it. Such a group would at some point have to start thinking about running teacher training courses to make new teachers, no? Maybe not for a while yet, but eventually. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip From time to time the idea gets floated that independants should form an alternate organization, focused only on maintaining teaching standards. That is, it would be concerned only with the instructional aspects of TM teaching, a resource for teachers to help them be confident that they are passing the technique along in the manner they received it. Such a group would at some point have to start thinking about running teacher training courses to make new teachers, no? Maybe not for a while yet, but eventually. Making new teachers regionally was part of the original World Plan. JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is the official price in Norway? Good followup helps to keep people going when their experience changes. Takes empathy. JohnY The official price is 2.500 Dollar. The TMO has one TM- Center - a combination of Ayur-Vedic Clinic and Academy - where people comes for Pancha-Karma, and some of them start with TM in the 5-7 days where they are in the Academy. Before the recert. courses - it was several TM-Teacher around the country - that could do the following-up after the students left the Academy. Now, it is almost none. And only 1 female recert. TM- Teacher. So many of the new meditators (not that many I think) is very disappointed about the following-up. And that is why some takes contact with me -. They find me on the Internet - or through other channels. Ingegerd In recent posts where I have asserted that the only real hope for the purity of the teaching lies outside the organization, this is exactly what I had in mind. L B S I think you are right. We are a few Independent TM-Teachers in Norway, and we are very much alert to keep the purity in our teaching, and more relaxed about money than the TMO. Other ex- TM- Teachers outside and inside the TMO, is looking over our shoulders all the time, ready to knock us down, if we do something they think are wrong. Another big difference is - we cannot lean on an organisation - we have to be self-supporting. We are the one who are responsible for what we are doing. I have met the same among other Independent TM-Teachers in other countries through the European Network. They are really serious about what they are doing. Ingegerd From time to time the idea gets floated that independants should form an alternate organization, focused only on maintaining teaching standards. That is, it would be concerned only with the instructional aspects of TM teaching, a resource for teachers to help them be confident that they are passing the technique along in the manner they received it. Although this idea seems quite popular, it will clearly not manifest until Maharishi has passed. No one wants to upset or offend him, even though many feel he has made some critical mistakes in his marketing plan. L B S This may sound like a kooky idea but, hey, nothing would surprise me in the least when it comes to the TMO: May I suggest that the very first thing that TM teachers teaching outside the movement should do who want to teach AND maintain the purity of the TM teaching is to approach MMY, tell him what they are doing, and ask his advice on what they can do to maintain the purity of the teaching. Remember that MMY himself said in a recent press conference that (and I paraphrase) that there was still some value in learning TM from people teaching it outside the movement. You know, MMY loves to oversee all the little details of everything and he loves to micro-manage organisations...perhaps he wouldn't be able to pass up the opportunity to micro-manage an organisation that Ex-TM Teachers sought to set up... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip You know, MMY loves to oversee all the little details of everything and he loves to micro-manage organisations...perhaps he wouldn't be able to pass up the opportunity to micro-manage an organisation that Ex-TM Teachers sought to set up... Wondering offhand why this would necessarily be desirable :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip You know, MMY loves to oversee all the little details of everything and he loves to micro-manage organisations...perhaps he wouldn't be able to pass up the opportunity to micro-manage an organisation that Ex-TM Teachers sought to set up... Wondering offhand why this would necessarily be desirable :-) Free advice...and the teachers would get the endorsement from MMY... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip You know, MMY loves to oversee all the little details of everything and he loves to micro-manage organisations...perhaps he wouldn't be able to pass up the opportunity to micro-manage an organisation that Ex-TM Teachers sought to set up... Wondering offhand why this would necessarily be desirable :-) Free advice...and the teachers would get the endorsement from MMY... Ahh, I see -- you are assuming then that he would *not* be micromanaging the new organisation...? Because if you gave him that kind of leeway or authority, it would seem you'd be going right back to square one, repeating the same old patterns of the first org...:-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip You know, MMY loves to oversee all the little details of everything and he loves to micro-manage organisations...perhaps he wouldn't be able to pass up the opportunity to micro-manage an organisation that Ex-TM Teachers sought to set up... Wondering offhand why this would necessarily be desirable :-) Free advice...and the teachers would get the endorsement from MMY... Ahh, I see -- you are assuming then that he would *not* be micromanaging the new organisation...? Because if you gave him that kind of leeway or authority, it would seem you'd be going right back to square one, repeating the same old patterns of the first org...:-) -): Good point. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip From time to time the idea gets floated that independants should form an alternate organization, focused only on maintaining teaching standards. That is, it would be concerned only with the instructional aspects of TM teaching, a resource for teachers to help them be confident that they are passing the technique along in the manner they received it. Such a group would at some point have to start thinking about running teacher training courses to make new teachers, no? Maybe not for a while yet, but eventually. Yes, and as I gather from conversations with others who share the interest, it would be done by consensus as to what and how. In other words, the old pros would sit together and hammer it out until everyone was satisfied that they had gotten it right. L B S To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers): PS
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It was common knowledge among students that manadatory attendance at the Dome diminished enthusiasm for attendance. Your argument that a good kick in the backside somehow will increase the positivity in students' attitudes towards group program no doubt reflects the thinking of the administration as well. Is it any wonder the University is having such a hard time attractingand keepingstudents? L B S PS MORE IMPORTANT Diverting the attention from the sutra in any way interferes with the practice, as I have understood it. Does anyone seriously believe that there is something better than simple, natural, innocent in this regard? I think obsessing about optimal conditions for sutra practice would be at least as detrimental as requiring someone to be present. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers): PS
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It was common knowledge among students that manadatory attendance at the Dome diminished enthusiasm for attendance. Your argument that a good kick in the backside somehow will increase the positivity in students' attitudes towards group program no doubt reflects the thinking of the administration as well. Is it any wonder the University is having such a hard time attractingand keepingstudents? L B S PS MORE IMPORTANT Diverting the attention from the sutra in any way interferes with the practice, as I have understood it. Does anyone seriously believe that there is something better than simple, natural, innocent in this regard? I think obsessing about optimal conditions for sutra practice would be at least as detrimental as requiring someone to be present. The beauty of this teaching, as I understood it when I became a teacher, was that it was not necessary for anyone to obsess about what constitutes optimal conditions for practice. Those things had been worked out, and the best way to mess it up would be to add something. Like, perhaps, a kick in the backside. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers): PS
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The beauty of this teaching, as I understood it when I became a teacher, was that it was not necessary for anyone to obsess about what constitutes optimal conditions for practice. Those things had been worked out, and the best way to mess it up would be to add something. Like, perhaps, a kick in the backside. Amen to that! Yes, I completely agree. The beauty about TM for me has always been its utter simplicity and versatility, and the complete independence of the practice from any group, unless one so chooses. Practice it anywhere- (except the US Congress, and while driving that is). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [...] Good one! I've always wondered why so many spiritual movements give such power to the penis and vagina. They don't bite, do they? To be in bondage to the genitals is such a strange thing! Let me tell you the old Native American story about Long-Cock Man and Tooth-Vagina Woman... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is the official price in Norway? Good followup helps to keep people going when their experience changes. Takes empathy. JohnY The official price is 2.500 Dollar. The TMO has one TM-Center - a combination of Ayur-Vedic Clinic and Academy - where people comes for Pancha-Karma, and some of them start with TM in the 5-7 days where they are in the Academy. Before the recert. courses - it was several TM-Teacher around the country - that could do the following-up after the students left the Academy. Now, it is almost none. And only 1 female recert. TM-Teacher. So many of the new meditators (not that many I think) is very disappointed about the following-up. And that is why some takes contact with me -. They find me on the Internet - or through other channels. Ingegerd In recent posts where I have asserted that the only real hope for the purity of the teaching lies outside the organization, this is exactly what I had in mind. So, the all-new TMorganization is what, a few months old and you're complaining about followup issues? Give it a year or 5. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers): PS
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The beauty of this teaching, as I understood it when I became a teacher, was that it was not necessary for anyone to obsess about what constitutes optimal conditions for practice. Those things had been worked out, and the best way to mess it up would be to add something. Like, perhaps, a kick in the backside. Amen to that! Yes, I completely agree. The beauty about TM for me has always been its utter simplicity and versatility, and the complete independence of the practice from any group, unless one so chooses. Practice it anywhere- (except the US Congress, and while driving that is). But if you're a student who has accepted grant/scholarship money specifically to participate in a school where group meditation/sidhis practice is expected, what is the specific objection? Perhaps these students all paid their own way, in which case perhaps they should issue specially colored badges to the scholarship students so they can be singled out for disciplinary action... You take my point? People end up at MUM because they've elected to participate in the programs there, not just to take classes. If they're not willing to participate, then they should leave. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ditto to the posts below -- MMY can do whatever he wants with his org. and I don't know anyone whining because they can't do other techniques in the dome, which is not what the banning is about anyway. That's just the made-up excuse to justify it. And you know this because? We're having a discussion to explain to ourselves why an org we've devoted so much of our lives to is tragically in decline. Exactly. I forsee a revival of sorts, sorry to disappoint. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip If the pure technique you wish to protect were doing its job and offering its practitioners a suitable pace of spiritual growth, how many people would be even *interested* in seeing other teachers? Suitable pace by whose standard? Who decides what is and is not suitable, and on what basis? Exactly. Ultimately, one is left to their own experiences and their own judgments and assessments as to whether something is effective or not. With my own set of problems, the fact that I can feel even slightly better after TM/TM- Sidhis practice, indicates a high level of effectiveness. Whether or not TM is worth doing by OTHER people's standards, or whether or not MY criteria for effectiveness is of value to anyone else, is left as an exercise for the reader. That's the only criterion that counts. The TM technique tends to be self-correcting. One person's 'effortlessness' is not the same as his/her efforlessness tomorrow. It needs less protection than many think, but it does need to be available and taught. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It was common knowledge among students that manadatory attendance at the Dome diminished enthusiasm for attendance. When was attendance NOT mandatory? Your argument that a good kick in the backside somehow will increase the positivity in students' attitudes towards group program no doubt reflects the thinking of the administration as well. Is it any wonder the University is having such a hard time attractingand keepingstudents? Have you looked at the cost of education vs the standard of living in this country? The tuition fees at MUM are only reasonable if you believe that MUM has something unique to offer. I personally think that it does, but can certainly understand why parents wouldn't want their kids to go there --especially after the murder on campus. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers): PS
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It was common knowledge among students that manadatory attendance at the Dome diminished enthusiasm for attendance. Your argument that a good kick in the backside somehow will increase the positivity in students' attitudes towards group program no doubt reflects the thinking of the administration as well. Is it any wonder the University is having such a hard time attractingand keepingstudents? L B S My favorite quote for such thinking: The beatings will continue until morale improves. The mandatory meditation time will continue... is equivalent to the beatings will continue...? Er, what's your take on religious traditions expecting 100% participation from the monks in the tradition? Yes, I know that TM isn't a religion, but the distinction isn't germane in this case. IMHO: you're [the student] attending a university where the ONLY important difference from a normal university is in the group practice of TM. If you wanted a reasonable education at another institution, you could obtain one for much less, although you wouldn't be able to take advantage of the grants given to MUM students SPECIFICALLY because they're supposed to be practicing TM and the TM-Sidhis while obtaining their education. What's your [Jim Flannigan's] take for lying about accepting grant money in general, I wonder? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [...] I always see the ultimate purity of the teaching as based in the enlivenment of pure consciousness in the followers. Look at the holy tradition. What links these guys is not specific practices, but the enlivenment of consciousness. Based on this criteria, the only successful graduate of the TM program is Sri Sri Ravi Shankar! How would you know? Do you think that SSRS is better off, enlightenment- wise, than MMY? Do you think he's gone further than any other student of MMY's? How do you know? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The teaching is becoming purer end purer. The recertified TM- Teachers, who is men, can only teach men and recert. TM-Teachers that are women can only teach women. In WPA-Courses and week-end- courses, during lecture-time - men and women is separeted. I do not know if they can use same dining-hall. Ingegerd Which is a problem ifthere is only one TM teacher in town. Hence they are encouraging husband and wife teams. Dennise Denniston-Gerace's husband will be joining her team soon, I understand... BTW, while seperation of sexes for education sounds wierd to Westerners (at least in the 20th century), there's plenty of research showing that it can be beneficial, at least for women -at least in school. Perhaps there ARE female-only issues that are best dealt with by females, and likewise with males when it comes to teaching TM? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip If the pure technique you wish to protect were doing its job and offering its practitioners a suitable pace of spiritual growth, how many people would be even *interested* in seeing other teachers? Suitable pace by whose standard? Who decides what is and is not suitable, and on what basis? Exactly. Ultimately, one is left to their own experiences and their own judgments and assessments as to whether something is effective or not. With my own set of problems, the fact that I can feel even slightly better after TM/TM- Sidhis practice, indicates a high level of effectiveness. Whether or not TM is worth doing by OTHER people's standards, or whether or not MY criteria for effectiveness is of value to anyone else, is left as an exercise for the reader. That's the only criterion that counts. The TM technique tends to be self-correcting. One person's 'effortlessness' is not the same as his/her efforlessness tomorrow. It needs less protection than many think, but it does need to be available and taught. Yep. I liken the effortlessness to the initial response to a question like remember that guy you met yesterday? Whatever your initial response mentally, that's how effortless TM is (or can be, I guess). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The teaching is becoming purer end purer. The recertified TM- Teachers, who is men, can only teach men and recert. TM-Teachers that are women can only teach women. In WPA-Courses and week-end- courses, during lecture-time - men and women is separeted. I do not know if they can use same dining-hall. Ingegerd Which is a problem ifthere is only one TM teacher in town. Hence they are encouraging husband and wife teams. Dennise Denniston-Gerace's husband will be joining her team soon, I understand... BTW, while seperation of sexes for education sounds wierd to Westerners (at least in the 20th century), there's plenty of research showing that it can be beneficial, at least for women -at least in school. Perhaps there ARE female-only issues that are best dealt with by females, and likewise with males when it comes to teaching TM? This separation between teaching men and women has some funny side- effects. People who has learned TM from recert. TM-Teachers turn to me ( an independent TM-Teacher) to get following-up, because they are not satisfied with the following-up in the TMO - and the recert. TM- Teacher is very few and not available. In Norway it is one female recert. TM-Teacher. Ingegerd To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If they only have one dining hall who gets to eat first? That's the question. Ingegerd Put up a curtain? Or - put on a burka. Ingegerd The teaching is becoming purer end purer. The recertified TM- Teachers, who is men, can only teach men and recert. TM- Teachers that are women can only teach women. In WPA-Courses and week- end- courses, during lecture-time - men and women is separeted. I do not know if they can use same dining-hall. Ingegerd To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: off_world_beings wrote: anyone complaining that a few people can't go to the dome is childish and laughable. ... Maharishi doesn't want other pactices in the Dome and that is his choice. People should get over it Oh, no question -- how Maharishi wants to run his organization is his business. I'm not presuming to tell him he should do this or that. My pursuit of this and other topics stems from a life-long interest in what's healthy and appropriate behavior. Many times I've felt some action of mine was justified -- some anger or indignation -- only to learn I was deceiving myself. Now, as you suggested I do, Off World, I'm examing my belief that the purity of Maharishi's teaching depends upon some behavior of mine. This discussion is all about me. Maharishi has nothing to do with it. Thanks for your input. In my case, since it's not likely I'll ever try to set foot in a dome again in this incarnation, it's a matter of an abiding interest in the ways that spiritual organizations handle themselves, and what effects their different behaviors seem to have on the progress of the members of those organizations. IMO, one of the least helpful and, in fact, most detrimental, mindsets a spiritual organization could possibly cultivate is elitism, a sense of self impor- tance and exclusivity in its students. Nothing seems to stop spiritual progress in its tracks faster and more effec- tively. So I think it's kinda sad when I see it anywhere, much less in an organization I still have some fond memories of. I guess that puts us on the same page, with an interest in what's healthy and appropriate behavior. Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers)
Ditto to the posts below -- MMY can do whatever he wants with his org. and I don't know anyone whining because they can't do other techniques in the dome, which is not what the banning is about anyway. We're having a discussion to explain to ourselves why an org we've devoted so much of our lives to is tragically in decline. Actually this was more of an issue for me in the past when not only other saints were viewed with fear and alarm, but also psychiatrists, marriage counselors, yoga teachers, non-ayurvedic MDs, and a whole host of other healers all under the principle Maharishi has given us all we need to reach enlightenment and You can't trust the effects of practices not specifically approved by MMY. Now it seems that taking medications or seeing therapists or normal MDs to deal with life's problems is not frowned upon as much as it used to be. Campus people still go to great lengths though to cover up their appts with healers and others who offer services that could be viewed as in competition with mmy ayurved or jyotish. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: off_world_beings wrote: anyone complaining that a few people can't go to the dome is childish and laughable. ... Maharishi doesn't want other pactices in the Dome and that is his choice. People should get over it Oh, no question -- how Maharishi wants to run his organization is his business. I'm not presuming to tell him he should do this or that. My pursuit of this and other topics stems from a life-long interest in what's healthy and appropriate behavior. Many times I've felt some action of mine was justified -- some anger or indignation -- only to learn I was deceiving myself. Now, as you suggested I do, Off World, I'm examing my belief that the purity of Maharishi's teaching depends upon some behavior of mine. This discussion is all about me. Maharishi has nothing to do with it. Thanks for your input. In my case, since it's not likely I'll ever try to set foot in a dome again in this incarnation, it's a matter of an abiding interest in the ways that spiritual organizations handle themselves, and what effects their different behaviors seem to have on the progress of the members of those organizations. IMO, one of the least helpful and, in fact, most detrimental, mindsets a spiritual organization could possibly cultivate is elitism, a sense of self impor- tance and exclusivity in its students. Nothing seems to stop spiritual progress in its tracks faster and more effec- tively. So I think it's kinda sad when I see it anywhere, much less in an organization I still have some fond memories of. I guess that puts us on the same page, with an interest in what's healthy and appropriate behavior. Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ditto to the posts below -- MMY can do whatever he wants with his org. and I don't know anyone whining because they can't do other techniques in the dome, which is not what the banning is about anyway. That's just the made-up excuse to justify it. We're having a discussion to explain to ourselves why an org we've devoted so much of our lives to is tragically in decline. Exactly. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers)
When Charlie Lutes used to tour Iowa City it was always talked about with baited breath. - Original Message - From: markmeredith2002 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 8:14 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers) Ditto to the posts below -- MMY can do whatever he wants with his org.and I don't know anyone whining because they can't do other techniquesin the dome, which is not what the banning is about anyway. We'rehaving a discussion to explain to ourselves why an org we've devotedso much of our lives to is tragically in decline. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: off_world_beings wrote: I think you need to answer the question I asked several posts back about keeping the purity of the teaching. Yes, this is the Big Question. Around here, people seem to have answered it in a number of ways: 1. No one I know wants to fiddle with the basic instructions for TM or the TM-Sidhis, so the whole preservation of knowledge emphasis is irrelevant. 2. The knowledge of TM is not so special as to deserve special treatment. Making it out to be special has more to do with cult indoctrination than with keeping the barbarians from the gate. 3. The purity will inevitably be lost; creating an orthodoxy to preserve it fails in that mission but succeeds in creating a culture of exclusion, fear and faux superiority. 4. We can maintain the purity of the teaching without becoming Nazis about it. Perhaps others can contribute other answers. I would hope we could hear your answer, Off World. Seems to me that all of the above have some validity, which is why everyone disagrees. Elephants in the living room, with a bunch of blind man watching TV? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] These paths don't fear comparison to others, because they know that they will fare well in that comparison. Why is it that TM fears the same comparison? TM doesn't fear anything. BTW, if a technique is as delicate as TM appears to be to me, then ANY addition to it might be counter-productive, though it might not be noticed. In fact, since goals and signposts are easy to recognize in many other practices, and literally impossible to recognie in TM practice with complete reliability, ALL techniques, measured by their own standards, will seem better than TM. TM has no real standards for practitioners to measure it by so in competition with other practices, using their standards, TM will always lose. I've gotten used to losing the competition over the past lifetime or fifty, so this doesn't bug me as much as it used to. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers)
It was common knowledge among students that manadatory attendance at the Dome diminished enthusiasm for attendance. Your argument that a good kick in the backside somehow will increase the positivity in students' attitudes towards group program no doubt reflects the thinking of the administration as well. Is it any wonder the University is having such a hard time attractingand keepingstudents? L B S --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On the face of it, LB's argument looks unanswerable. But from what I remember of students in the dome (not all of them) is that there was a lot of sheer laziness and dopiness around. What some of them needed was a good kick in the backside and a reminder to actually do the practice. In my experience, if you do seize on the tiniest impulse to move around and to hop, that actually does get the bliss moving around inside you, and this promotes more of the stuff. It jump starts you, so to speak, so you're no longer just sitting there like a big lump of inert matter. So while grading students on how much they hop may seem senseless and a distortion of the teaching, it may in fact wake people up and possibly do some good. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Meanwhile, certain fundamentals of The Knowledge have actually been compromised by the University. For example, the principle of innocence in practice absolutely foundational as far as I'm concernedwas completely trashed by the practice of grading students on their performance in the Domes, where they are observed by faculty and accorded a performance rating based on how much they hop. Does anyone seriously believe that a student who hasn't hopped until the last minute of the session won't jump up and down once or twice for the sake of the grade? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip If the pure technique you wish to protect were doing its job and offering its practitioners a suitable pace of spiritual growth, how many people would be even *interested* in seeing other teachers? Suitable pace by whose standard? Who decides what is and is not suitable, and on what basis? Exactly. Ultimately, one is left to their own experiences and their own judgments and assessments as to whether something is effective or not. With my own set of problems, the fact that I can feel even slightly better after TM/TM- Sidhis practice, indicates a high level of effectiveness. Whether or not TM is worth doing by OTHER people's standards, or whether or not MY criteria for effectiveness is of value to anyone else, is left as an exercise for the reader. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers): PS
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It was common knowledge among students that manadatory attendance at the Dome diminished enthusiasm for attendance. Your argument that a good kick in the backside somehow will increase the positivity in students' attitudes towards group program no doubt reflects the thinking of the administration as well. Is it any wonder the University is having such a hard time attractingand keepingstudents? L B S PS MORE IMPORTANT Diverting the attention from the sutra in any way interferes with the practice, as I have understood it. Does anyone seriously believe that there is something better than simple, natural, innocent in this regard? L B S --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On the face of it, LB's argument looks unanswerable. But from what I remember of students in the dome (not all of them) is that there was a lot of sheer laziness and dopiness around. What some of them needed was a good kick in the backside and a reminder to actually do the practice. In my experience, if you do seize on the tiniest impulse to move around and to hop, that actually does get the bliss moving around inside you, and this promotes more of the stuff. It jump starts you, so to speak, so you're no longer just sitting there like a big lump of inert matter. So while grading students on how much they hop may seem senseless and a distortion of the teaching, it may in fact wake people up and possibly do some good. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Meanwhile, certain fundamentals of The Knowledge have actually been compromised by the University. For example, the principle of innocence in practice absolutely foundational as far as I'm concernedwas completely trashed by the practice of grading students on their performance in the Domes, where they are observed by faculty and accorded a performance rating based on how much they hop. Does anyone seriously believe that a student who hasn't hopped until the last minute of the session won't jump up and down once or twice for the sake of the grade? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] --- One response that I did not list in my earlier post might be this: 5. I cannot say what is ultimate truth, nor will I take the word of others for what is truth. Hence I cannot say whether the purity of TM is worth fighting for. How about: 6. I don't know if the purity of teaching of TM is important or not, but on the outside chance that it is, I'm willing to tolerate a certain level of intolerance of out of the box thinking and behavior, and willing to try to work within the system to ameliorate that intolerance if I think that it has gotten out of hand. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What exactly is purity of the teaching? Go to see 5 different Maharishi Jyotishis and you'll get 5 different readings using 5 different approaches, but if a jyotishi trained at maharishi jyotish courses and using his training faithfully decides to stop giving the right % of his revenues to the mov't, then he'll be called a threat to the purity of the teaching and have his badge revoked. There are many similar cases in the tmo in which purity of teaching seems to just be an excuse to protect revenues. MMY changed his method of teaching TM drastically when he came to west and initiators know that even the method of choosing mantras has been changed over time. Instructions regarding program are constantly changing. It seems to me that misusing the term purity of the teaching for purely economic reasons is itself the biggest threat to the purity of the teaching these days. Since MMY created the teaching procedure himself (or so he says and I have no reason to doubt him) his decision to tweak the procedure is STILL maintaining the purity of the teaching. Its HIS teaching afterall... Of course, this is so obvious that I'm left wondering if you're raising serious concerns or are merely complaining because you want to see your words in print. (and people complain because *I* type too much on this forum). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One response that I did not list in my earlier post might be this: 5. I cannot say what is ultimate truth, nor will I take the word of others for what is truth. Hence I cannot say whether the purity of TM is worth fighting for. That sentiment alone would make you a heretic in some TM circles. I once was the lone dissenting voice at a meeting of TM teachers in L.A. who turned a guy down for Teacher Training because he felt this way and was honest about it. Well, that's understandable, isn't it? Since the purity of the teaching thing is the core rationale for the silliness of the TMO, to say that you can't say whether the purity is worth fighint for is invalidating the core rationale of the TMO. Why would anyone agree to accept you into an organization if you publicly reject the core belief of the organiation? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It was common knowledge among students that manadatory attendance at the Dome diminished enthusiasm for attendance. Your argument that a good kick in the backside somehow will increase the positivity in students' attitudes towards group program no doubt reflects the thinking of the administration as well. Is it any wonder the University is having such a hard time attractingand keepingstudents? L B S My favorite quote for such thinking: The beatings will continue until morale improves. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: L B Shriver wrote: The Knowledge have actually been compromised by the University. For example, the principle of innocence in practice absolutely foundational as far as I'm concernedwas completely trashed by the practice of grading students on their performance in the Domes, where they are observed by faculty and accorded a performance rating based on how much they hop. Does anyone seriously believe that a student who hasn't hopped until the last minute of the session won't jump up and down once or twice for the sake of the grade? When I attended a reunion in 1999, I sat with the 5-minute flyers near the door. All those kids slept through the entire program, with no pretense of meditating or doing anything else. I wondered if they were recruited in one of the programs to get foreign students, for they were all non-Anglo and obviously had no interest in meditation. I expect that program is no more. Perhaps the enlightenment report card based on the physiological measure of the students is meant to ensure that they really ARE meditating regularly? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What exactly is purity of the teaching? Go to see 5 different Maharishi Jyotishis and you'll get 5 different readings using 5 different approaches, but if a jyotishi trained at maharishi jyotish courses and using his training faithfully decides to stop giving the right % of his revenues to the mov't, then he'll be called a threat to the purity of the teaching and have his badge revoked. There are many similar cases in the tmo in which purity of teaching seems to just be an excuse to protect revenues. MMY changed his method of teaching TM drastically when he came to west and initiators know that even the method of choosing mantras has been changed over time. Instructions regarding program are constantly changing. It seems to me that misusing the term purity of the teaching for purely economic reasons is itself the biggest threat to the purity of the teaching these days. Since MMY created the teaching procedure himself (or so he says and I have no reason to doubt him) his decision to tweak the procedure is STILL maintaining the purity of the teaching. Its HIS teaching afterall... Of course, this is so obvious that I'm left wondering if you're raising serious concerns or are merely complaining because you want to see your words in print. (and people complain because *I* type too much on this forum). I always see the ultimate purity of the teaching as based in the enlivenment of pure consciousness in the followers. Look at the holy tradition. What links these guys is not specific practices, but the enlivenment of consciousness. Based on this criteria, the only successful graduate of the TM program is Sri Sri Ravi Shankar! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Patrick Gillam To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 2:26 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers) L B Shriver wrote: The Knowledge have actually been compromised by the University. For example, the principle of innocence in practice- absolutely foundational as far as I'm concerned-was completely trashed by the practice of grading students on their performance in the Domes, where they are observed by faculty and accorded a performance rating based on how much they hop. Does anyone seriously believe that a student who hasn't hopped until the last minute of the session won't jump up and down once or twice for the sake of the grade? When I attended a reunion in 1999, I sat with the 5-minute flyers near the door. All those kids slept through the entire program, with no pretense of meditating or doing anything else. I wondered if they were recruited in one of the programs to get foreign students, for they were all non-Anglo and obviously had no interest in meditation. I expect that program is no more. - Patrick Gillam To join student purusha you had to be actively hopping. Of course you also had to be actively hopping to move your 'flying time' up every six months. So I talked myself into flying. I had been one of the non flyers. Then on student purusha you could automatically move up to the fifteen minute section and then advance your time five minutes every month so that after three months I was sitting with the 30 mintue flying guys. After I left MIU I decided there was no connection between hopping and levitating so I never did it again. How can bouncing help one stabilize in mid air? I don't see the connection. Well, you wouldn't (see the connection). I mean, seeing the connection is pretty advanced stuff --the equivalent of floating during Yogic Flying, I suspect. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers)
The teaching is becoming purer end purer. The recertified TM- Teachers, who is men, can only teach men and recert. TM-Teachers that are women can only teach women. In WPA-Courses and week-end- courses, during lecture-time - men and women is separeted. I do not know if they can use same dining-hall. Ingegerd --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What exactly is purity of the teaching? Go to see 5 different Maharishi Jyotishis and you'll get 5 different readings using 5 different approaches, but if a jyotishi trained at maharishi jyotish courses and using his training faithfully decides to stop giving the right % of his revenues to the mov't, then he'll be called a threat to the purity of the teaching and have his badge revoked. There are many similar cases in the tmo in which purity of teaching seems to just be an excuse to protect revenues. MMY changed his method of teaching TM drastically when he came to west and initiators know that even the method of choosing mantras has been changed over time. Instructions regarding program are constantly changing. It seems to me that misusing the term purity of the teaching for purely economic reasons is itself the biggest threat to the purity of the teaching these days. Since MMY created the teaching procedure himself (or so he says and I have no reason to doubt him) his decision to tweak the procedure is STILL maintaining the purity of the teaching. Its HIS teaching afterall... Of course, this is so obvious that I'm left wondering if you're raising serious concerns or are merely complaining because you want to see your words in print. (and people complain because *I* type too much on this forum). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers)
If they only have one dining hall who gets to eat first? - Original Message - From: Ingegerd To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 12:33 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers) The teaching is becoming purer end purer. The recertified TM-Teachers, who is men, can only teach men and recert. TM-Teachers that are women can only teach women. In WPA-Courses and week-end-courses, during lecture-time - men and women is separeted. I do not know if they can use same dining-hall.Ingegerd--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "markmeredith2002" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What exactly is purity of the teaching? Go to see 5 different Maharishi Jyotishis and you'll get 5 different readings using 5 different approaches, but if a jyotishi trained at maharishi jyotish courses and using his training faithfully decides to stop giving the right % of his revenues to the mov't, then he'll be called a threat to the purity of the teaching and have his badge revoked. There are many similar cases in the tmo in which purity of teaching seems to just be an excuse to protect revenues. MMY changed his method of teaching TM drastically when he came to west and initiators know that even the method of choosing mantras has been changed over time. Instructions regarding program are constantly changing. It seems to me that misusing the term "purity of the teaching" for purely economic reasons is itself the biggest threat to the purity of the teaching these days. Since MMY created the teaching procedure himself (or so he says and I have no reason to doubt him) his decision to tweak the procedure is STILL maintaining "the purity of the teaching." Its HIS "teaching" afterall... Of course, this is so obvious that I'm left wondering if you're raising serious concerns or are merely complaining because you want to see your words in print. (and people complain because *I* type too much on this forum). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If they only have one dining hall who gets to eat first? That's the question. Ingegerd The teaching is becoming purer end purer. The recertified TM- Teachers, who is men, can only teach men and recert. TM-Teachers that are women can only teach women. In WPA-Courses and week-end- courses, during lecture-time - men and women is separeted. I do not know if they can use same dining-hall. Ingegerd To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The teaching is becoming purer end purer ...except for the Indies, of course. Hopefully they will police themselves sensibly. Certainly in the UK MMY has kicked the the door open. An own goal? Uns. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers)
--- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Patrick Gillam To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 2:26 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers) L B Shriver wrote: The Knowledge have actually been compromised by the University. For example, the principle of innocence in practice- absolutely foundational as far as I'm concerned-was completely trashed by the practice of grading students on their performance in the Domes, where they are observed by faculty and accorded a performance rating based on how much they hop. Does anyone seriously believe that a student who hasn't hopped until the last minute of the session won't jump up and down once or twice for the sake of the grade? When I attended a reunion in 1999, I sat with the 5-minute flyers near the door. All those kids slept through the entire program, with no pretense of meditating or doing anything else. I wondered if they were recruited in one of the programs to get foreign students, for they were all non-Anglo and obviously had no interest in meditation. I expect that program is no more. - Patrick Gillam To join student purusha you had to be actively hopping. Of course you also had to be actively hopping to move your 'flying time' up every six months. So I talked myself into flying. I had been one of the non flyers. Then on student purusha you could automatically move up to the fifteen minute section and then advance your time five minutes every month so that after three months I was sitting with the 30 mintue flying guys. After I left MIU I decided there was no connection between hopping and levitating so I never did it again. How can bouncing help one stabilize in mid air? I don't see the connection. Well, you wouldn't (see the connection). I mean, seeing the connection is pretty advanced stuff --the equivalent of floating during Yogic Flying, I suspect. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If they only have one dining hall who gets to eat first? And who gets to digest, as opposed to having one's intake turn into icky shit? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If they only have one dining hall who gets to eat first? And who gets to digest, as opposed to having one's intake turn into icky shit? Eww, isn't that redundant? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ditto to the posts below -- MMY can do whatever he wants with his org. and I don't know anyone whining because they can't do other techniques in the dome, But your ARE still whining about it. My God. Actually this was more of an issue for me in the past when not only other saints were viewed with fear and alarm, but also psychiatrists, marriage counselors, yoga teachers, non-ayurvedic MDs, and a whole host of other healers all under the principle Maharishi has given us all we need to reach enlightenment and You can't trust the effects of practices not specifically approved by MMY. Whining , Whining, Whining. Now it seems that taking medications or seeing therapists or normal MDs to deal with life's problems is not frowned upon as much as it used to be. Campus people still go to great lengths though to cover up their appts with healers and others who offer services that could be viewed as in competition with mmy ayurved or jyotish. Whining , Whining, Whining. Off World --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: off_world_beings wrote: anyone complaining that a few people can't go to the dome is childish and laughable. ... Maharishi doesn't want other pactices in the Dome and that is his choice. People should get over it Oh, no question -- how Maharishi wants to run his organization is his business. I'm not presuming to tell him he should do this or that. My pursuit of this and other topics stems from a life-long interest in what's healthy and appropriate behavior. Many times I've felt some action of mine was justified -- some anger or indignation -- only to learn I was deceiving myself. Now, as you suggested I do, Off World, I'm examing my belief that the purity of Maharishi's teaching depends upon some behavior of mine. This discussion is all about me. Maharishi has nothing to do with it. Thanks for your input. In my case, since it's not likely I'll ever try to set foot in a dome again in this incarnation, it's a matter of an abiding interest in the ways that spiritual organizations handle themselves, and what effects their different behaviors seem to have on the progress of the members of those organizations. IMO, one of the least helpful and, in fact, most detrimental, mindsets a spiritual organization could possibly cultivate is elitism, a sense of self impor- tance and exclusivity in its students. Nothing seems to stop spiritual progress in its tracks faster and more effec- tively. So I think it's kinda sad when I see it anywhere, much less in an organization I still have some fond memories of. I guess that puts us on the same page, with an interest in what's healthy and appropriate behavior. Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: off_world_beings wrote: I think you need to answer the question I asked several posts back about keeping the purity of the teaching. Yes, this is the Big Question. Around here, people seem to have answered it in a number of ways: 1. No one I know wants to fiddle with the basic instructions for TM or the TM-Sidhis, so the whole preservation of knowledge emphasis is irrelevant. 2. The knowledge of TM is not so special as to deserve special treatment. Making it out to be special has more to do with cult indoctrination than with keeping the barbarians from the gate. 3. The purity will inevitably be lost; creating an orthodoxy to preserve it fails in that mission but succeeds in creating a culture of exclusion, fear and faux superiority. 4. We can maintain the purity of the teaching without becoming Nazis about it. Perhaps others can contribute other answers. I would hope we could hear your answer, Off World. - Patrick Gillam If the pure technique you wish to protect were doing its job and offering its practitioners a suitable pace of spiritual growth, how many people would be even *interested* in seeing other teachers? I know of quite a few organizations for which this is the case. They never have to come up with rules about seeing other teachers, because 1) the desire to do so rarely comes up in their followers, and 2) even if it does, they have no problem with the followers switching over to the other teachers or following both paths. These paths don't fear comparison to others, because they know that they will fare well in that comparison. Why is it that TM fears the same comparison? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: off_world_beings wrote: I think you need to answer the question I asked several posts back about keeping the purity of the teaching. Yes, this is the Big Question. Around here, people seem to have answered it in a number of ways: (Not sure if these are your answers or just those that you've seen elsewhere and are reproducing, but I'm going to respond, if I may, as if they were yours.) 1. No one I know wants to fiddle with the basic instructions for TM or the TM-Sidhis, so the whole preservation of knowledge emphasis is irrelevant. ??? There are plenty of folks who want to fiddle, and *have* fiddled, with the basic instructions. 2. The knowledge of TM is not so special as to deserve special treatment. Making it out to be special has more to do with cult indoctrination than with keeping the barbarians from the gate. Sure about that? 3. The purity will inevitably be lost; creating an orthodoxy to preserve it fails in that mission but succeeds in creating a culture of exclusion, fear and faux superiority. It doesn't fail to preserve it among the orthodox. 4. We can maintain the purity of the teaching without becoming Nazis about it. This I'd agree with, but different people may draw different lines to distinguish who's a Nazi and who isn't. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip If the pure technique you wish to protect were doing its job and offering its practitioners a suitable pace of spiritual growth, how many people would be even *interested* in seeing other teachers? Suitable pace by whose standard? Who decides what is and is not suitable, and on what basis? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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off_world_beings wrote: I think you need to answer the question I asked several posts back about keeping the purity of the teaching. Patrick Gillam wrote: Yes, this is the Big Question. Around here, people seem to have answered it in a number of ways: Judy Stein wrote: (Not sure if these are your answers or just those that you've seen elsewhere and are reproducing, but I'm going to respond, if I may, as if they were yours.) The options I wrote are my takes on what I've gleaned here. I'm not sure I'd fight for any one of them. One reason I pursued the subject is to find out what people think. Because maintaining the purity of the teaching is the prime directive of TM teachers, I would think most would have to address the issue somehow, as Off World asks us to do. 3. The purity will inevitably be lost; creating an orthodoxy to preserve it fails in that mission but succeeds in creating a culture of exclusion, fear and faux superiority. It doesn't fail to preserve it among the orthodox. I was baptized and confimed in the Lutheran Church- Missouri Synod, a fundamentalist branch of Lutheranism. It's small, with maybe one million members in the United States. But that membership is adequate to sustain two seminaries and a lively sense of community. It's not losing members as so many mainstream denominations are. It takes care not to mingle with other churches who don't share its strict interpretation of scripture. For example, an LCMS pastor was reprimanded for participating in an ecumenical service shortly after September 11, 2001, where more liberal churches participated. I think Maharishi is happy to be a school of knowledge in the LCMS mold -- not huge, but home to those who are honored to be custodians of truth in its purity. --- One response that I did not list in my earlier post might be this: 5. I cannot say what is ultimate truth, nor will I take the word of others for what is truth. Hence I cannot say whether the purity of TM is worth fighting for. - Patrick Gillam To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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What exactly is purity of the teaching? Go to see 5 different Maharishi Jyotishis and you'll get 5 different readings using 5 different approaches, but if a jyotishi trained at maharishi jyotish courses and using his training faithfully decides to stop giving the right % of his revenues to the mov't, then he'll be called a threat to the purity of the teaching and have his badge revoked. There are many similar cases in the tmo in which purity of teaching seems to just be an excuse to protect revenues. MMY changed his method of teaching TM drastically when he came to west and initiators know that even the method of choosing mantras has been changed over time. Instructions regarding program are constantly changing. It seems to me that misusing the term purity of the teaching for purely economic reasons is itself the biggest threat to the purity of the teaching these days. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: off_world_beings wrote: I think you need to answer the question I asked several posts back about keeping the purity of the teaching. Patrick Gillam wrote: Yes, this is the Big Question. Around here, people seem to have answered it in a number of ways: Judy Stein wrote: (Not sure if these are your answers or just those that you've seen elsewhere and are reproducing, but I'm going to respond, if I may, as if they were yours.) The options I wrote are my takes on what I've gleaned here. I'm not sure I'd fight for any one of them. One reason I pursued the subject is to find out what people think. Because maintaining the purity of the teaching is the prime directive of TM teachers, I would think most would have to address the issue somehow, as Off World asks us to do. 3. The purity will inevitably be lost; creating an orthodoxy to preserve it fails in that mission but succeeds in creating a culture of exclusion, fear and faux superiority. It doesn't fail to preserve it among the orthodox. I was baptized and confimed in the Lutheran Church- Missouri Synod, a fundamentalist branch of Lutheranism. It's small, with maybe one million members in the United States. But that membership is adequate to sustain two seminaries and a lively sense of community. It's not losing members as so many mainstream denominations are. It takes care not to mingle with other churches who don't share its strict interpretation of scripture. For example, an LCMS pastor was reprimanded for participating in an ecumenical service shortly after September 11, 2001, where more liberal churches participated. I think Maharishi is happy to be a school of knowledge in the LCMS mold -- not huge, but home to those who are honored to be custodians of truth in its purity. --- One response that I did not list in my earlier post might be this: 5. I cannot say what is ultimate truth, nor will I take the word of others for what is truth. Hence I cannot say whether the purity of TM is worth fighting for. - Patrick Gillam To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One response that I did not list in my earlier post might be this: 5. I cannot say what is ultimate truth, nor will I take the word of others for what is truth. Hence I cannot say whether the purity of TM is worth fighting for. That sentiment alone would make you a heretic in some TM circles. I once was the lone dissenting voice at a meeting of TM teachers in L.A. who turned a guy down for Teacher Training because he felt this way and was honest about it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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If the pure technique you wish to protect were doing its job and offering its practitioners a suitable pace of spiritual growth, how many people would be even *interested* in seeing other teachers? Suitable pace by whose standard? Who decides what is and is not suitable, and on what basis? Exactly. Ultimately, one is left to their own experiences and their own judgments and assessments as to whether something is effective or not. While I agree, I think that this subjective perception can be, and often is, colored by the spoken and unspoken dogma that accompanies a tradition. Take, for example, a tradition such as the Dominican Order, in which mystical experiences were not only uncommon, but suspect. It would be very sur- prising to find a Dominican monk who actually experienced a mystical experience during his lifetime or, because of the dogma, missed not having had one. On the other hand, take traditions such as certain Tantric sects or, closer to home, those who have worked with legi- timate Yaqui shamans. In those traditions, the general 'tude is that if you haven't had a life-shattering, ephiphal experience this week, you're probably slacking off. :-) Still, I hold to my original statement. Whatever the dogma of a spiritual tradition is, if large numbers of its followers are finding themselves interested in the teachings or tech- niques of another tradition, I think it's safe to suggest that something may be missing for them in their own. In such slow traditions, it is *common* for a dogma to arise that portrays those who are not satisfied with their current pace or progress as off the program or heretical or otherwise unsane. The subtle pressure applied to those who are not satisfied with a slow pace of self discovery is along the lines of, There must be something wrong with them if they are not satisfied with what we *know* to be the best. Although this is completely understandable, I think it's worth noticing that most of the humans whom history has recorded as enlightened fall into the not satisfied group. They were the rebels, the heretics, the Buddhas, the fol- lowers of Crazy Wisdom, the ones who pushed the envel- ope. There may or may not be any connection between their eventual enlightenment and what they pushed the envelope *towards*, but I think that there is a connection between the need to push the envelope and realization of enlightenment. At least that's my theory, for today, and I'm stickin' to it, today. Tomorrow I may have a completely different theory. :-) Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What exactly is purity of the teaching? Go to see 5 different Maharishi Jyotishis and you'll get 5 different readings using 5 different approaches, but if a jyotishi trained at maharishi jyotish courses and using his training faithfully decides to stop giving the right % of his revenues to the mov't, then he'll be called a threat to the purity of the teaching and have his badge revoked. There are many similar cases in the tmo in which purity of teaching seems to just be an excuse to protect revenues. MMY changed his method of teaching TM drastically when he came to west and initiators know that even the method of choosing mantras has been changed over time. Instructions regarding program are constantly changing. It seems to me that misusing the term purity of the teaching for purely economic reasons is itself the biggest threat to the purity of the teaching these days. snip to end Excellent question, cogent observations. When I became an Initiator (Fiuggi '72) the purity of the teaching was about the content of The Knowledge and the method of its transmission. In the 80s, someone in the power structure offered the opinion that MIU had been founded to preserve the purity of the teaching. This was not the case, actually. The means of preserving the content and method of transmission had already been established in the Teacher Training courses. Maharishi said that the rationale for MIU was that universities are understood and accepted by society as repositories and laboratories of useful knowledge (not a direct quote; minor extrapolation); the establishment of the university was to promote society's acceptance of The Knowledge. I think it's fair to say that the University's successes in society's eyes have been marginal. Meanwhile, certain fundamentals of The Knowledge have actually been compromised by the University. For example, the principle of innocence in practice absolutely foundational as far as I'm concernedwas completely trashed by the practice of grading students on their performance in the Domes, where they are observed by faculty and accorded a performance rating based on how much they hop. Does anyone seriously believe that a student who hasn't hopped until the last minute of the session won't jump up and down once or twice for the sake of the grade? When one drops the theoretical considerations and looks for an operational definition, the preponderance of evidence favors a financial basis to the Purity Of The Teaching. Anything that competes with the proprietary offering is considered Off The Program. Simply put, The Purity Of The Teaching today seems to be mostly about the money. Which is why I place no faith in the organization to transmit anything of great spiritual value to the next generation. L B S To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If the pure technique you wish to protect were doing its job and offering its practitioners a suitable pace of spiritual growth, how many people would be even *interested* in seeing other teachers? Suitable pace by whose standard? Who decides what is and is not suitable, and on what basis? Exactly. Ultimately, one is left to their own experiences and their own judgments and assessments as to whether something is effective or not. While I agree, I think that this subjective perception can be, and often is, colored by the spoken and unspoken dogma that accompanies a tradition. In either direction, of course. And then there's also the possibility that one's subjective perception of the dogma can color how one views one's own progress. Take, for example, a tradition such as the Dominican Order, in which mystical experiences were not only uncommon, but suspect. It would be very sur- prising to find a Dominican monk who actually experienced a mystical experience during his lifetime or, because of the dogma, missed not having had one. On the other hand, take traditions such as certain Tantric sects or, closer to home, those who have worked with legi- timate Yaqui shamans. In those traditions, the general 'tude is that if you haven't had a life-shattering, ephiphal experience this week, you're probably slacking off. :-) Or TM, which views experiences per se as pretty much inconsequential, the important thing being one's *experience* of everyday life. Still, I hold to my original statement. Whatever the dogma of a spiritual tradition is, if large numbers of its followers are finding themselves interested in the teachings or tech- niques of another tradition, I think it's safe to suggest that something may be missing for them in their own. Quite safe to suggest, actually. But it avoids the question of whether what they think is missing is as significant as they believe it to be. In such slow traditions, it is *common* for a dogma to arise that portrays those who are not satisfied with their current pace or progress as off the program or heretical or otherwise unsane. The subtle pressure applied to those who are not satisfied with a slow pace of self discovery is along the lines of, There must be something wrong with them if they are not satisfied with what we *know* to be the best. Or they may just not be seeing the forest for the trees. snip At least that's my theory, for today, and I'm stickin' to it, day. Tomorrow I may have a completely different theory. :-) Sounds to me like what you've been saying as long as I can remember. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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L B Shriver wrote: The Knowledge have actually been compromised by the University. For example, the principle of innocence in practice absolutely foundational as far as I'm concernedwas completely trashed by the practice of grading students on their performance in the Domes, where they are observed by faculty and accorded a performance rating based on how much they hop. Does anyone seriously believe that a student who hasn't hopped until the last minute of the session won't jump up and down once or twice for the sake of the grade? When I attended a reunion in 1999, I sat with the 5-minute flyers near the door. All those kids slept through the entire program, with no pretense of meditating or doing anything else. I wondered if they were recruited in one of the programs to get foreign students, for they were all non-Anglo and obviously had no interest in meditation. I expect that program is no more. - Patrick Gillam To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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- Original Message - From: Patrick Gillam To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 2:26 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers) L B Shriver wrote: The Knowledge have actually been compromised by the University. For example, the principle of innocence in practice absolutely foundational as far as I'm concernedwas completely trashed by the practice of grading students on their performance in the Domes, where they are observed by faculty and accorded a performance rating based on how much they hop. Does anyone seriously believe that a student who hasn't hopped until the last minute of the session won't jump up and down once or twice for the sake of the grade?When I attended a reunion in 1999, I sat with the 5-minute flyers near the door. All those kids slept through the entire program, with no pretense of meditating or doing anything else. I wondered if they were recruited in one of the programs to get foreign students, for they were all non-Anglo and obviously had no interest in meditation. I expect thatprogram is no more. - Patrick GillamTo join student purusha you had to be actively hopping. Of course you also had to be actively hopping to move your 'flying time' up every six months. So I talked myself into flying. I had been one of the non flyers. Then on student purusha you could automatically move up to the fifteen minute section and then advance your time five minutes every month so that after three months I was sitting with the 30 mintue flying guys. After I left MIU I decided there was no connection between hopping and levitating so I never did it again. How can bouncing help one stabilize in mid air? I don't see the connection. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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---I agree with you: seems like you have to push the personal envelope, and get out of the ego to experience Unity... Another way to think of it, is that we all have to find our own Christ Consciousness or Maharishi Consciousness or Buddah Consciousness and so on...in order to complete our dharma on earth, and that is to become Self-Realized; There's just no pussy-footing around...when it comes to this... In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If the pure technique you wish to protect were doing its job and offering its practitioners a suitable pace of spiritual growth, how many people would be even *interested* in seeing other teachers? Suitable pace by whose standard? Who decides what is and is not suitable, and on what basis? Exactly. Ultimately, one is left to their own experiences and their own judgments and assessments as to whether something is effective or not. While I agree, I think that this subjective perception can be, and often is, colored by the spoken and unspoken dogma that accompanies a tradition. Take, for example, a tradition such as the Dominican Order, in which mystical experiences were not only uncommon, but suspect. It would be very sur- prising to find a Dominican monk who actually experienced a mystical experience during his lifetime or, because of the dogma, missed not having had one. On the other hand, take traditions such as certain Tantric sects or, closer to home, those who have worked with legi- timate Yaqui shamans. In those traditions, the general 'tude is that if you haven't had a life-shattering, ephiphal experience this week, you're probably slacking off. :-) Still, I hold to my original statement. Whatever the dogma of a spiritual tradition is, if large numbers of its followers are finding themselves interested in the teachings or tech- niques of another tradition, I think it's safe to suggest that something may be missing for them in their own. In such slow traditions, it is *common* for a dogma to arise that portrays those who are not satisfied with their current pace or progress as off the program or heretical or otherwise unsane. The subtle pressure applied to those who are not satisfied with a slow pace of self discovery is along the lines of, There must be something wrong with them if they are not satisfied with what we *know* to be the best. Although this is completely understandable, I think it's worth noticing that most of the humans whom history has recorded as enlightened fall into the not satisfied group. They were the rebels, the heretics, the Buddhas, the fol- lowers of Crazy Wisdom, the ones who pushed the envel- ope. There may or may not be any connection between their eventual enlightenment and what they pushed the envelope *towards*, but I think that there is a connection between the need to push the envelope and realization of enlightenment. At least that's my theory, for today, and I'm stickin' to it, today. Tomorrow I may have a completely different theory. :-) Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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On the face of it, LB's argument looks unanswerable. But from what I remember of students in the dome (not all of them) is that there was a lot of sheer laziness and dopiness around. What some of them needed was a good kick in the backside and a reminder to actually do the practice. In my experience, if you do seize on the tiniest impulse to move around and to hop, that actually does get the bliss moving around inside you, and this promotes more of the stuff. It jump starts you, so to speak, so you're no longer just sitting there like a big lump of inert matter. So while grading students on how much they hop may seem senseless and a distortion of the teaching, it may in fact wake people up and possibly do some good. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Meanwhile, certain fundamentals of The Knowledge have actually been compromised by the University. For example, the principle of innocence in practice absolutely foundational as far as I'm concernedwas completely trashed by the practice of grading students on their performance in the Domes, where they are observed by faculty and accorded a performance rating based on how much they hop. Does anyone seriously believe that a student who hasn't hopped until the last minute of the session won't jump up and down once or twice for the sake of the grade? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: off_world_beings wrote: I think you need to answer the question I asked several posts back about keeping the purity of the teaching. Yes, this is the Big Question. Around here, people seem to have answered it in a number of ways: 1. No one I know wants to fiddle with the basic instructions for TM or the TM-Sidhis, so the whole preservation of knowledge emphasis is irrelevant. 2. The knowledge of TM is not so special as to deserve special treatment. Making it out to be special has more to do with cult indoctrination than with keeping the barbarians from the gate. 3. The purity will inevitably be lost; creating an orthodoxy to preserve it fails in that mission but succeeds in creating a culture of exclusion, fear and faux superiority. 4. We can maintain the purity of the teaching without becoming Nazis about it. Perhaps others can contribute other answers. I would hope we could hear your answer, Off World. - Patrick Gillam You made some good points and I appreciate them. But people should complain about the violence being perpetrated by fundamentalists (christian and muslim etc), and stop complaining about non-violence being perpetrated by what they are calling fundamentalists. Its the violence or non-violence of a group that countsanyone complaining that a few people can't go to the dome is childish and laughable. If I want to smoke in a smoke free bar, I can't...thats life. If I want to swim nude in the public baths, I can't...thats life. Should I start waving my arms and shouting because my Pagan religion says I should be able to go nude anywhere I like to. No. Maharishi doesn't want other pactices in the Dome and that is his choice. People should get over it, otherwise I promise you, you will see me and my goat naked in the public pools soon ! OffWorld To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers)
--OriginalMessage- From: "Llundrub" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 16:07:36 -0500 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers) L B Shriver wrote: The Knowledge have actually been compromised by the University. For example, the principle of innocence in practice absolutely foundational as far as I'm concernedwas completely trashed by the practice of grading students on their performance in the Domes, where they are observed by faculty and accorded a performance rating based on how much they hop. Does anyone seriously believe that a student who hasn't hopped until the last minute of the session won't jump up and down once or twice for the sake of the grade? * To join student purusha you had to be actively hopping. Of course you also had to be actively hopping to move your 'flying time' up every six months. So I talked myself into flying. I had been one of the non flyers. Then on student purusha you could automatically move up to the fifteen minute section and then advance your time five minutes every month so that after three months I was sitting with the 30 mintue flying guys. After I left MIU I decided there was no connection between hopping and levitating so I never did it again. How can bouncing help one stabilize in mid air? I don't see the connection. by Llundrub Hari Om, The Only solution is to increase the coherence of the field effect around the Yogic flying centres. This will result in the ability to float in the air. Yogic-Floating. then NoBody would be able to fake bounce. In Yogic-Floating theMaharishi-effect will be much greater. World peace can be achieved with Cube root of the world population. Jason -- __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Patrick Gillam To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 2:26 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers) L B Shriver wrote: The Knowledge have actually been compromised by the University. For example, the principle of innocence in practice- absolutely foundational as far as I'm concerned-was completely trashed by the practice of grading students on their performance in the Domes, where they are observed by faculty and accorded a performance rating based on how much they hop. Does anyone seriously believe that a student who hasn't hopped until the last minute of the session won't jump up and down once or twice for the sake of the grade? When I attended a reunion in 1999, I sat with the 5-minute flyers near the door. All those kids slept through the entire program, with no pretense of meditating or doing anything else. I wondered if they were recruited in one of the programs to get foreign students, for they were all non-Anglo and obviously had no interest in meditation. I expect that program is no more. - Patrick Gillam To join student purusha you had to be actively hopping. Of course you also had to be actively hopping to move your 'flying time' up every six months. So I talked myself into flying. So now I understand a lot. It must be frustrating to never have hopped spontaneuosly. I am sorry , but it will happen eventually. And having to introduce strain into it must have screwed up your experiences. It is very bad for the experience to introduce strain. You need to think more about how there are many lifetimes , not just one. You will fly through an non-effort appraoch to the technique. Keep on keeping on, and don't get distracted. OffWorld To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers)
off_world_beings wrote: anyone complaining that a few people can't go to the dome is childish and laughable. ... Maharishi doesn't want other pactices in the Dome and that is his choice. People should get over it Oh, no question -- how Maharishi wants to run his organization is his business. I'm not presuming to tell him he should do this or that. My pursuit of this and other topics stems from a life-long interest in what's healthy and appropriate behavior. Many times I've felt some action of mine was justified -- some anger or indignation -- only to learn I was deceiving myself. Now, as you suggested I do, Off World, I'm examing my belief that the purity of Maharishi's teaching depends upon some behavior of mine. This discussion is all about me. Maharishi has nothing to do with it. Thanks for your input. - Patrick Gillam To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
