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sparaig wrote: That was Uncle Barry. It's all about the Maharishi isn't it?
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Dec 5, 2006, at 2:17 PM, authfriend wrote: snip I would take Lawson's rigorous intellect, honesty, courage, and just basic niceness over the posturing and twisted viciousness of the two of you in a nanosecond. Character counts. He's certainly a character! Lawson, I think she's interested. Just a hypothetical, Lawson. I'm already spoken for. Cool. How *is* Satan in the sack? :-)
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On Dec 6, 2006, at 4:37 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Dec 5, 2006, at 2:17 PM, authfriend wrote: snip I would take Lawson's rigorous intellect, honesty, courage, and just basic niceness over the posturing and twisted viciousness of the two of you in a nanosecond. Character counts. He's certainly a character! Lawson, I think she's interested. Just a hypothetical, Lawson. I'm already spoken for. Cool. How *is* Satan in the sack? :-) Or Satan's wife.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 6, 2006, at 4:37 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: Cool. How *is* Satan in the sack? Or Satan's wife. Leaving Judy out of the equation altogether, and focusing on the more interesting (and far funnier) physiological/philosophical question, that might not matter. Satan was an angel, right? Well,according to a lot of knowledgeable sources (at least they portray them- selves as knowledgeable), angels are neither male nor female. In fact, many historical depictions of angels in art and literature have shown them as not having genitalia at all. Their nether regions are portrayed as kinda sexless lumps, like Ken or Barbie. So it seems to me that either way -- whether we're talking Satan *or* his wife -- some kind of strap-on is likely. These are the kind of deep philosophical questions that true seekers of truth and light love to ponder on chilly December mornings. I mean, when you think about it, Did Satan grow a dick and balls when he fell from grace? is right up there with How *did* Supergirl ever lose her virginity, anyway? :-)
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On Dec 6, 2006, at 9:46 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 6, 2006, at 4:37 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: Cool. How *is* Satan in the sack? Or Satan's wife. Leaving Judy out of the equation altogether, and focusing on the more interesting (and far funnier) physiological/philosophical question, that might not matter. Satan was an angel, right? Well,according to a lot of knowledgeable sources (at least they portray them- selves as knowledgeable), angels are neither male nor female. In fact, many historical depictions of angels in art and literature have shown them as not having genitalia at all. Their nether regions are portrayed as kinda sexless lumps, like Ken or Barbie. So it seems to me that either way -- whether we're talking Satan *or* his wife -- some kind of strap-on is likely. These are the kind of deep philosophical questions that true seekers of truth and light love to ponder on chilly December mornings. I mean, when you think about it, Did Satan grow a dick and balls when he fell from grace? is right up there with How *did* Supergirl ever lose her virginity, anyway? A friend who is a transpersonal psychologist claims that the biblical Satan is actually female. I'm not sure where she got that from, but it may Talmudic.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Dec 5, 2006, at 2:17 PM, authfriend wrote: snip I would take Lawson's rigorous intellect, honesty, courage, and just basic niceness over the posturing and twisted viciousness of the two of you in a nanosecond. Character counts. He's certainly a character! Lawson, I think she's interested. Just a hypothetical, Lawson. I'm already spoken for. Cool. How *is* Satan in the sack? :-) I think you need to get laid, Vaj, and soon...
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A friend who is a transpersonal psychologist claims that the biblical Satan is actually female. I'm not sure where she got that from, but it may Talmudic. --I think the word Satan in used once in referencable scripture in the Torah and refers to a judicial proceeding. You sent me the article about the Yamas - the original religion of bull worshippers. This seems more likely.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Dec 5, 2006, at 2:17 PM, authfriend wrote: snip I would take Lawson's rigorous intellect, honesty, courage, and just basic niceness over the posturing and twisted viciousness of the two of you in a nanosecond. Character counts. He's certainly a character! Lawson, I think she's interested. Just a hypothetical, Lawson. I'm already spoken for. Cool. How *is* Satan in the sack? :-) Ask Saddam. I understand you and he have been quite intimate lately...
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Dec 5, 2006, at 2:17 PM, authfriend wrote: snip I would take Lawson's rigorous intellect, honesty, courage, and just basic niceness over the posturing and twisted viciousness of the two of you in a nanosecond. Character counts. He's certainly a character! Lawson, I think she's interested. Just a hypothetical, Lawson. I'm already spoken for. Cool. How *is* Satan in the sack? :-) I think you need to get laid, Vaj, and soon... That was Uncle Barry. Vaj isthe one who mentioned Satan's wife. Noneo f these guys and girls who constantly make jokes about Purusha and Judy's sex life and my weight other health problems and so on have any issues of their own that they hide behind with sophomoric jokes and come-back lines... Nyah. Never, ever...
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On Dec 6, 2006, at 11:56 AM, llundrub wrote: A friend who is a transpersonal psychologist claims that the biblical Satan is actually female. I'm not sure where she got that from, but it may Talmudic. --I think the word Satan in used once in referencable scripture in the Torah and refers to a judicial proceeding. You sent me the article about the Yamas - the original religion of bull worshippers. This seems more likely. __ Some have said that Set-Shaitan and Shiva are all cognate forms of deity from a previous epoch which became taboo as the Sky gods and later the Death-Resurrection mythos came to the fore. Shaitan/Satan would therefore represent a current in Sumerian religion before it was demonized by the Sky worshipping monotheists. In another sense the enemies god is always Satan and that relates also to the Hebrew meaning of Satan, an adversary. I remember years ago when I first got out of college I had a job working with a firm and my boss was a born again Christian from some Texas Christian college. He had the nasty habit of popping into my office to see what I was doing. One day, I was paging through the new Vedanta catalogue and he pops into my office. I placed some papers on top of catalogue. He removed the papers to reveal a line-drawing of Shiva: holding a trident and draped in snakes. He let out an audible gasp and instinctively stepped back like he'd seen something terrible. I week later I was let go. What a blessing that was. It was then I realized that some people saw Shiva as Satan. It was really interesting that to my Christian friend, Gnosis and Awakening were Satan. _,_.___
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would have been better if his gnosis was out of your business. - Original Message - From: Vaj To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 12:51 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Purusha programm Sponsorship On Dec 6, 2006, at 11:56 AM, llundrub wrote: A friend who is a transpersonal psychologist claims that the biblical Satan is actually female. I'm not sure where she got that from, but it may Talmudic. --I think the word Satan in used once in referencable scripture in the Torah and refers to a judicial proceeding. You sent me the article about the Yamas - the original religion of bull worshippers. This seems more likely. __ Some have said that Set-Shaitan and Shiva are all cognate forms of deity from a previous epoch which became taboo as the Sky gods and later the Death-Resurrection mythos came to the fore. Shaitan/Satan would therefore represent a current in Sumerian religion before it was demonized by the Sky worshipping monotheists. In another sense the enemies god is always Satan and that relates also to the Hebrew meaning of Satan, an adversary. I remember years ago when I first got out of college I had a job working with a firm and my boss was a born again Christian from some Texas Christian college. He had the nasty habit of popping into my office to see what I was doing. One day, I was paging through the new Vedanta catalogue and he pops into my office. I placed some papers on top of catalogue. He removed the papers to reveal a line-drawing of Shiva: holding a trident and draped in snakes. He let out an audible gasp and instinctively stepped back like he'd seen something terrible. I week later I was let go. What a blessing that was. It was then I realized that some people saw Shiva as Satan. It was really interesting that to my Christian friend, Gnosis and Awakening were Satan. _,_.___
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TurquoiseB wrote: Leaving Judy out of the equation altogether, and focusing on the more interesting (and far funnier) physiological/philosophical question, that might not matter. Satan was an angel, right? Well,according to a lot of knowledgeable sources (at least they portray them- selves as knowledgeable), angels are neither male nor female. In fact, many historical depictions of angels in art and literature have shown them as not having genitalia at all. Their nether regions are portrayed as kinda sexless lumps, like Ken or Barbie. So it seems to me that either way -- whether we're talking Satan *or* his wife -- some kind of strap-on is likely. These are the kind of deep philosophical questions that true seekers of truth and light love to ponder on chilly December mornings. I mean, when you think about it, Did Satan grow a dick and balls when he fell from grace? is right up there with How *did* Supergirl ever lose her virginity, anyway? :-) It's all about Judy, isn't it?
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Peter wrote: I got so irritated at Sparaig for his ridiculous post. So, it's all about Lawson.
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jstein wrote: Just a hypothetical, Lawson. I'm already spoken for. TurquoiseB wrote: Cool. How *is* Satan in the sack? So, it is all about Judy - I thought so. But don't you two feel a little silly hijacking Yahoo! FairfieldLife just so you can bash each other over here instead of over on Usenet?
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: Hey Sparaig, I was on Purusha when it first started in DC for a year. Where were you, biatch? And I do my program twice a day, so go f*ck yourself holier than thou prick. Thankyou for your enlightened sentiments... No one bests spraig in a debate. No one. He has an endless supply of these glue globs that he tosses, and before you know it you find yourself trying to pull this sticky mess off yourself. The latest serious attempt was by coldblueiceman. (?). He was last seen walking away, shaking his head. Spraig is posting away. lurk ,__ __ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: Hey Sparaig, I was on Purusha when it first started in DC for a year. Where were you, biatch? And I do my program twice a day, so go f*ck yourself holier than thou prick. Thankyou for your enlightened sentiments... No one bests spraig in a debate. No one. He has an endless supply of these glue globs that he tosses, and before you know it you find yourself trying to pull this sticky mess off yourself. The latest serious attempt was by coldblueiceman. (?). He was last seen walking away, shaking his head. Spraig is posting away. And, one might add, posting away while being hideously overweight, not having had sex in over ten years, being out of a job for long periods of time and spending hours per day posting to the Internet to defend TM and defend Maharishi from their detractors -- and all of this while not believing in TM enough himself to meditate regularly. If he's an example of an On The Program TMer, it's no wonder why so few are still on the program.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip And, one might add, posting away while being hideously overweight, not having had sex in over ten years, being out of a job for long periods of time and spending hours per day posting to the Internet to defend TM and defend Maharishi from their detractors -- and all of this while not believing in TM enough himself to meditate regularly. Oh, and intentionally, viciously cruel. Did I mention cruel? It's the transparency of his hypocrisy, and his utter obliviousness to it, that makes Barry such a ridiculous, pathetic figure. You can only feel sorry for someone who's so desperately twisted.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip And, one might add, posting away while being hideously overweight, not having had sex in over ten years, being out of a job for long periods of time and spending hours per day posting to the Internet to defend TM and defend Maharishi from their detractors -- and all of this while not believing in TM enough himself to meditate regularly. Oh, and intentionally, viciously cruel. Did I mention cruel? Perhaps it's better to be kind, TM-fashion, and allow Lawson to *pretend* that he's a healthy, on- the-program TMer with a life of his own. I'm trying to get him to put his actions where his mouth is and actually *practice* TM instead of spending all his time hypocritically defending it while not practicing it. I suspect that if he meditated regularly and cut down his compulsive Internet posting time to 1/10 to 1/20 of what it is currently, the other problems he complains about would go away pretty quickly. Continuing to be an Internet junkie is IMO his way of *perpetuating* his problems, not getting over them. *You* Encouraging him to continue being an Internet junkie defending TM while trying to draw attention away from the fact that he doesn't even meditate is YOUR way of *perpetuating* his problems. You're an enabler.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Hey, it's just the Paradox of Brahman. Not at all- its the failure of you and sparaig to just deal with Peter as Peter, and instead thinking that he should act differently than he is because he was talking about enlightened states earler. No memo needed. I mean, if *anybody* can accuse somebody else of being holier than thou, it's the enlightened person, right? I don't understand what you mean by this.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip And, one might add, posting away while being hideously overweight, not having had sex in over ten years, being out of a job for long periods of time and spending hours per day posting to the Internet to defend TM and defend Maharishi from their detractors -- and all of this while not believing in TM enough himself to meditate regularly. Oh, and intentionally, viciously cruel. Did I mention cruel? Perhaps it's better to be kind, TM-fashion, and allow Lawson to *pretend* that he's a healthy, on- the-program TMer with a life of his own. In fact, Lawson doesn't pretend any such thing. Remember, he's the one who told us all this in the first place. He has more self-knowledge than you'll ever dream of having. I'm trying to get him to put his actions where his mouth is and actually *practice* TM instead of spending all his time hypocritically defending it while not practicing it. Sorry, but you have less-than-zero credibility in the compassion department where TMers are concerned, speaking of pretending. Your intention is to hurt, not to help. That's what you *do* here. It's what you did on alt.m.t. If you can't score on-topic points, you'll resort to basing your attacks on folks' personal lives (even if you have to make up what you're attacking, as you've so often done with me). And speaking of hypocrisy, you have more of it in your little finger than Lawson does in his whole body. You make one vow after another to reform your various bad behaviors and haven't ever managed to keep a single vow--just as one for-instance. snip *You* Encouraging him to continue being an Internet junkie defending TM while trying to draw attention away from the fact that he doesn't even meditate is YOUR way of *perpetuating* his problems. You're an enabler. I don't do either, of course. You're just pissed that I refuse to enable your perpetuation of *your* problems. You can dish it out, but you can't take it.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip Hey, it's just the Paradox of Brahman. Not at all- its the failure of you and sparaig to just deal with Peter as Peter, and instead thinking that he should act differently than he is because he was talking about enlightened states earler. But that *is* dealing with Peter as Peter! No memo needed. I mean, if *anybody* can accuse somebody else of being holier than thou, it's the enlightened person, right? I don't understand what you mean by this. The enlightened person is holiness personified. S/he really *is* holier-than-thou, so s/he gets to chide those who only pretend to be.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip Hey, it's just the Paradox of Brahman. Not at all- its the failure of you and sparaig to just deal with Peter as Peter, and instead thinking that he should act differently than he is because he was talking about enlightened states earler. But that *is* dealing with Peter as Peter! No memo needed. I mean, if *anybody* can accuse somebody else of being holier than thou, it's the enlightened person, right? I don't understand what you mean by this. The enlightened person is holiness (i.e., wholeness) personified. S/he really *is* holier-than-thou, so s/he gets to chide those who only pretend to be.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I suspect that if he meditated regularly and cut down his compulsive Internet posting time to 1/10 to 1/20 of what it is currently, the other problems he complains about would go away pretty quickly. Oh, and by the way, if you paid attention to what Lawson actually says about his problems, you'd have figured out that what he's dealing with is a kind of catch-22: the problems feed into and reinforce one another. He can't just decide to stop doing X and start doing Y and then actually stick to it. It's a lot more complicated than that. You of all people should recognize changing one's behavior isn't just a matter of an act of will that anyone is capable of. See my previous post about your repeated and repeatedly broken vows to change your own behavior. Lawson's told us what his problems are. How about you matching his honesty and telling us about yours? Maybe we can help you like you're trying to help Lawson.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip I suspect that if he meditated regularly and cut down his compulsive Internet posting time to 1/10 to 1/20 of what it is currently, the other problems he complains about would go away pretty quickly. Oh, and by the way, if you paid attention to what Lawson actually says about his problems, you'd have figured out that what he's dealing with is a kind of catch-22: the problems feed into and reinforce one another. He can't just decide to stop doing X and start doing Y and then actually stick to it. It's a lot more complicated than that. When it comes to self discovery, some people make progress, and other make excuses. Some people even make excuses for others. It seems to me that you are far more interested in Lawson continuing to post here compulsively than you are in him meditating regularly.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip Hey, it's just the Paradox of Brahman. Not at all- its the failure of you and sparaig to just deal with Peter as Peter, and instead thinking that he should act differently than he is because he was talking about enlightened states earler. But that *is* dealing with Peter as Peter! OK- I think I understand- but if you are expecting Peter to act or speak differently because he was speaking about enlightened states, then there is possibly an expectation you have about enlightened states, and a person's consequent actions from within them. Fair enough, and to be expected (a universal expectation), but the expectations will prove to be false. No memo needed. I mean, if *anybody* can accuse somebody else of being holier than thou, it's the enlightened person, right? I don't understand what you mean by this. The enlightened person is holiness personified. S/he really *is* holier-than-thou, so s/he gets to chide those who only pretend to be. The way I always understood to say someone was acting 'holier than thou' is that they/I were/was on an ego trip. In terms of the relationship of that to an enlightened person is yes, the enlightened person will see that clearly, though without any judgement, and may decide, or not, to mention it. Chiding for chiding's sake though would have no value.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip I suspect that if he meditated regularly and cut down his compulsive Internet posting time to 1/10 to 1/20 of what it is currently, the other problems he complains about would go away pretty quickly. Oh, and by the way, if you paid attention to what Lawson actually says about his problems, you'd have figured out that what he's dealing with is a kind of catch-22: the problems feed into and reinforce one another. He can't just decide to stop doing X and start doing Y and then actually stick to it. It's a lot more complicated than that. When it comes to self discovery, some people make progress, and other make excuses. So what's your excuse for not making any progress on your own behavioral problems? Some people even make excuses for others. Some people have a capacity for empathy and compassion. Those who don't believe these qualities constitute enabling. They think people should be able to simply change their behavior by an act of will, *even when they're incapable of doing so themselves*. It seems to me that you are far more interested in Lawson continuing to post here compulsively than you are in him meditating regularly. You haven't a clue what I'm interested in, and you never have had. Lots of entertaining fantasies, though, that tell us a lot more about you than you might wish. You of all people should recognize changing one's behavior isn't just a matter of an act of will that anyone is capable of. See my previous post about your repeated and repeatedly broken vows to change your own behavior. Lawson's told us what his problems are. How about you matching his honesty and telling us about yours? Maybe we can help you like you're trying to help Lawson. No response. Couldn't even bring himself to include the quote. No cojones. Terrified of self-revelation, because he knows what use *he* makes of the self-revelations of others, and doesn't have the guts to risk exposing himself to his own brand of cruelty.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip Hey, it's just the Paradox of Brahman. Not at all- its the failure of you and sparaig to just deal with Peter as Peter, and instead thinking that he should act differently than he is because he was talking about enlightened states earler. But that *is* dealing with Peter as Peter! OK- I think I understand- but if you are expecting Peter to act or speak differently because he was speaking about enlightened states, then there is possibly an expectation you have about enlightened states, and a person's consequent actions from within them. Fair enough, and to be expected (a universal expectation), but the expectations will prove to be false. No, just calling attention to the discrepancy between what folks expect and the reality. The discrepancy is at least partly due to the language used to describe enlightenment, such as in the quote from my post that you were commenting on, which was actually a pastiche of quotes from the observations you and Tom and Peter had made here in a recent thread about the state of your own consciousness. That someone could live such experiences 24 hours a day and still issue the kind of obscene insults Peter did to Lawson is what I was referring to as the paradox of Brahman. No memo needed. I mean, if *anybody* can accuse somebody else of being holier than thou, it's the enlightened person, right? I don't understand what you mean by this. The enlightened person is holiness personified. S/he really *is* holier-than-thou, so s/he gets to chide those who only pretend to be. The way I always understood to say someone was acting 'holier than thou' is that they/I were/was on an ego trip. Sure, it's one kind of ego trip. In terms of the relationship of that to an enlightened person is yes, the enlightened person will see that clearly, though without any judgement, and may decide, or not, to mention it. Chiding for chiding's sake though would have no value. Does this constitute mentioning it without any judgment? Hey Sparaig, I was on Purusha when it first started in DC for a year. Where were you, biatch? And I do my program twice a day, so go f*ck yourself holier than thou prick. I have a lot of trouble seeing go f*ck yourself holier than thou prick as not involving judgment. So I have to figure being judgmental is part of the paradox.
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Jim Flangin writes snipped: OK- I think I understand- but if you are expecting Peter to act or speak differently because he was speaking about enlightened states, then there is possibly an expectation you have about enlightened states, and a person's consequent actions from within them. Fair enough, and to be expected (a universal expectation), but the expectations will prove to be false. Tom T: Holding on to any expectation or having any expectation is to practice pre-meditated anger. Things may not appear the way that you think they should and then that leads to anger that things are not the way you wanted or expected them to be. Just BE and see what happens. Tom
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So what's your excuse for not making any progress on your own behavioral problems? LOL. I must have hit a nerve. You haven't used the Have you stopped beating your wife yet? argument in weeks. You only fall back on that old chestnut when you're trying to distract attention away from something that's been said -- accurately -- about you. Here. I'll say it again. You care more about keeping Lawson compulsively posting to FFL than you care about him meditating. With friends like you, who needs enemies?
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip Hey, it's just the Paradox of Brahman. Not at all- its the failure of you and sparaig to just deal with Peter as Peter, and instead thinking that he should act differently than he is because he was talking about enlightened states earler. But that *is* dealing with Peter as Peter! OK- I think I understand- but if you are expecting Peter to act or speak differently because he was speaking about enlightened states, then there is possibly an expectation you have about enlightened states, and a person's consequent actions from within them. Fair enough, and to be expected (a universal expectation), but the expectations will prove to be false. No, just calling attention to the discrepancy between what folks expect and the reality. The discrepancy is at least partly due to the language used to describe enlightenment, such as in the quote from my post that you were commenting on, which was actually a pastiche of quotes from the observations you and Tom and Peter had made here in a recent thread about the state of your own consciousness. That someone could live such experiences 24 hours a day and still issue the kind of obscene insults Peter did to Lawson is what I was referring to as the paradox of Brahman. OK- quite a contrast, huh? No memo needed. I mean, if *anybody* can accuse somebody else of being holier than thou, it's the enlightened person, right? I don't understand what you mean by this. The enlightened person is holiness personified. S/he really *is* holier-than-thou, so s/he gets to chide those who only pretend to be. The way I always understood to say someone was acting 'holier than thou' is that they/I were/was on an ego trip. Sure, it's one kind of ego trip. In terms of the relationship of that to an enlightened person is yes, the enlightened person will see that clearly, though without any judgement, and may decide, or not, to mention it. Chiding for chiding's sake though would have no value. Does this constitute mentioning it without any judgment? Hey Sparaig, I was on Purusha when it first started in DC for a year. Where were you, biatch? And I do my program twice a day, so go f*ck yourself holier than thou prick. I have a lot of trouble seeing go f*ck yourself holier than thou prick as not involving judgment. So I have to figure being judgmental is part of the paradox. I just meant I didn't see Peter's remarks as meant to put down or wound Lawson, purely for the sake of it- sadistically. Rather, there was a lesson to be learned, i.e. walk the walk vs just talk the talk. You may see it differently.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Holding on to any expectation or having any expectation is to practice pre-meditated anger. Things may not appear the way that you think they should and then that leads to anger that things are not the way you wanted or expected them to be. Just BE and see what happens. Tom One of the forums I read has a feature that pops up a cool quote when you log out. Yesterday's quote was: Resentment is like taking poison and waiting for the other person to die. -- Malachy McCourt
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: Hey Sparaig, I was on Purusha when it first started in DC for a year. Where were you, biatch? And I do my program twice a day, so go f*ck yourself holier than thou prick. Thankyou for your enlightened sentiments... No one bests spraig in a debate. No one. He has an endless supply of these glue globs that he tosses, and before you know it you find yourself trying to pull this sticky mess off yourself. The latest serious attempt was by coldblueiceman. (?). He was last seen walking away, shaking his head. Spraig is posting away. And, one might add, posting away while being hideously overweight, not having had sex in over ten years, being out of a job for long periods of time and spending hours per day posting to the Internet to defend TM and defend Maharishi from their detractors -- and all of this while not believing in TM enough himself to meditate regularly. If he's an example of an On The Program TMer, it's no wonder why so few are still on the program. Yep.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: Hey Sparaig, I was on Purusha when it first started in DC for a year. Where were you, biatch? And I do my program twice a day, so go f*ck yourself holier than thou prick. Thankyou for your enlightened sentiments... No one bests spraig in a debate. No one. He has an endless supply of these glue globs that he tosses, and before you know it you find yourself trying to pull this sticky mess off yourself. The latest serious attempt was by coldblueiceman. (?). He was last seen walking away, shaking his head. Spraig is posting away. Um Setting aside the original topic, you think that Steve Perino, AKA, coldblueiceman, is a good example of someone making a serious attempt to argue?
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip Hey, it's just the Paradox of Brahman. Not at all- its the failure of you and sparaig to just deal with Peter as Peter, and instead thinking that he should act differently than he is because he was talking about enlightened states earler. Every aspect of Peter's response oozed attachment.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jim Flangin writes snipped: OK- I think I understand- but if you are expecting Peter to act or speak differently because he was speaking about enlightened states, then there is possibly an expectation you have about enlightened states, and a person's consequent actions from within them. Fair enough, and to be expected (a universal expectation), but the expectations will prove to be false. Tom T: Holding on to any expectation or having any expectation is to practice pre-meditated anger. Things may not appear the way that you think they should and then that leads to anger that things are not the way you wanted or expected them to be. Just BE and see what happens. Tom Blah blah blah. I wasn't having any expectation. See my response to Jim before you sound off, please.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Oh, and by the way, if you paid attention to what Lawson actually says about his problems, you'd have figured out that what he's dealing with is a kind of catch-22: the problems feed into and reinforce one another. He can't just decide to stop doing X and start doing Y and then actually stick to it. It's a lot more complicated than that. When it comes to self discovery, some people make progress, and other make excuses. So what's your excuse for not making any progress on your own behavioral problems? LOL. I must have hit a nerve. Dream on. You haven't used the Have you stopped beating your wife yet? argument in weeks. Sorry, no, that isn't what it was. Nice attempt at misdirection. It's pointing out, once again, your extreme hypocrisy. Here, let's look at some more of it: Some people even make excuses for others. Some people have a capacity for empathy and compassion. Those who don't believe these qualities constitute enabling. They think people should be able to simply change their behavior by an act of will, *even when they're incapable of doing so themselves*. It seems to me that you are far more interested in Lawson continuing to post here compulsively than you are in him meditating regularly. You haven't a clue what I'm interested in, and you never have had. Lots of entertaining fantasies, though, that tell us a lot more about you than you might wish. You of all people should recognize changing one's behavior isn't just a matter of an act of will that anyone is capable of. See my previous post about your repeated and repeatedly broken vows to change your own behavior. Lawson's told us what his problems are. How about you matching his honesty and telling us about yours? Maybe we can help you like you're trying to help Lawson. No response. Couldn't even bring himself to include the quote. No cojones. Terrified of self-revelation, because he knows what use *he* makes of the self-revelations of others, and doesn't have the guts to risk exposing himself to his own brand of cruelty. This was what *Barry* was trying to distract attention from--his pathetic cowardice. This is what struck *his* nerve. You only fall back on that old chestnut when you're trying to distract attention away from something that's been said -- accurately -- about you. Here. I'll say it again. You care more about keeping Lawson compulsively posting to FFL than you care about him meditating. And I'll say it again (see above): You haven't a clue what I care about and never have had. Lots of entertaining fantasies, though, that tell us a lot more about you than you might wish. Funny how I was trying to distract attention from it by responding directly to it, ain't it? Pathetic. With friends like you, who needs enemies? You're your own worst enemy.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlist@ wrote: Holding on to any expectation or having any expectation is to practice pre-meditated anger. Things may not appear the way that you think they should and then that leads to anger that things are not the way you wanted or expected them to be. Just BE and see what happens. Tom One of the forums I read has a feature that pops up a cool quote when you log out. Yesterday's quote was: Resentment is like taking poison and waiting for the other person to die. -- Malachy McCourt As opposed to taking poison and then spitting it all over the other person and waiting for him/her to die of contact poisoning, I guess.
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On Dec 5, 2006, at 12:13 PM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So what's your excuse for not making any progress on your own behavioral problems? LOL. I must have hit a nerve. You haven't used the Have you stopped beating your wife yet? argument in weeks. You only fall back on that old chestnut when you're trying to distract attention away from something that's been said -- accurately -- about you. Here. I'll say it again. You care more about keeping Lawson compulsively posting to FFL than you care about him meditating. With friends like you, who needs enemies? I think they'd make a wonderful couple.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip Hey, it's just the Paradox of Brahman. Not at all- its the failure of you and sparaig to just deal with Peter as Peter, and instead thinking that he should act differently than he is because he was talking about enlightened states earler. Every aspect of Peter's response oozed attachment. Attachment was oozing, but there was no Peter.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip Hey, it's just the Paradox of Brahman. Not at all- its the failure of you and sparaig to just deal with Peter as Peter, and instead thinking that he should act differently than he is because he was talking about enlightened states earler. But that *is* dealing with Peter as Peter! OK- I think I understand- but if you are expecting Peter to act or speak differently because he was speaking about enlightened states, then there is possibly an expectation you have about enlightened states, and a person's consequent actions from within them. Fair enough, and to be expected (a universal expectation), but the expectations will prove to be false. No, just calling attention to the discrepancy between what folks expect and the reality. The discrepancy is at least partly due to the language used to describe enlightenment, such as in the quote from my post that you were commenting on, which was actually a pastiche of quotes from the observations you and Tom and Peter had made here in a recent thread about the state of your own consciousness. That someone could live such experiences 24 hours a day and still issue the kind of obscene insults Peter did to Lawson is what I was referring to as the paradox of Brahman. OK- quite a contrast, huh? No memo needed. I mean, if *anybody* can accuse somebody else of being holier than thou, it's the enlightened person, right? I don't understand what you mean by this. The enlightened person is holiness personified. S/he really *is* holier-than-thou, so s/he gets to chide those who only pretend to be. The way I always understood to say someone was acting 'holier than thou' is that they/I were/was on an ego trip. Sure, it's one kind of ego trip. In terms of the relationship of that to an enlightened person is yes, the enlightened person will see that clearly, though without any judgement, and may decide, or not, to mention it. Chiding for chiding's sake though would have no value. Does this constitute mentioning it without any judgment? Hey Sparaig, I was on Purusha when it first started in DC for a year. Where were you, biatch? And I do my program twice a day, so go f*ck yourself holier than thou prick. I have a lot of trouble seeing go f*ck yourself holier than thou prick as not involving judgment. So I have to figure being judgmental is part of the paradox. I just meant I didn't see Peter's remarks as meant to put down or wound Lawson, purely for the sake of it- sadistically. Rather, there was a lesson to be learned, i.e. walk the walk vs just talk the talk. You may see it differently. Yeah, I see it as Peter being so pissed off at Lawson that he lost his cool and cursed at him, thereby giving us all a lesson in how the enlightened can behave. I'm sure that Peter was experiencing the infinite silence and bliss of the Self as he wrote it, witnessing Peter losing his cool and cursing at Lawson without being touched by it at all.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 5, 2006, at 12:13 PM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: So what's your excuse for not making any progress on your own behavioral problems? LOL. I must have hit a nerve. You haven't used the Have you stopped beating your wife yet? argument in weeks. You only fall back on that old chestnut when you're trying to distract attention away from something that's been said -- accurately -- about you. Here. I'll say it again. You care more about keeping Lawson compulsively posting to FFL than you care about him meditating. With friends like you, who needs enemies? I think they'd make a wonderful couple. I would take Lawson's rigorous intellect, honesty, courage, and just basic niceness over the posturing and twisted viciousness of the two of you in a nanosecond. Character counts.
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So what's your excuse for not making any progress on your own behavioral problems? LOL. I must have hit a nerve. You haven't used the Have you stopped beating your wife yet? argument in weeks. You only fall back on that old chestnut when you're trying to distract attention away from something that's been said -- accurately -- about you. Here. I'll say it again. You care more about keeping Lawson compulsively posting to FFL than you care about him meditating. With friends like you, who needs enemies? I think they'd make a wonderful couple. Dude. We're supposed to be *helping* Lawson, not wishing him a horrible death.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: I just meant I didn't see Peter's remarks as meant to put down or wound Lawson, purely for the sake of it- sadistically. Rather, there was a lesson to be learned, i.e. walk the walk vs just talk the talk. You may see it differently. Yeah, I see it as Peter being so pissed off at Lawson that he lost his cool and cursed at him, thereby giving us all a lesson in how the enlightened can behave. I'm sure that Peter was experiencing the infinite silence and bliss of the Self as he wrote it, witnessing Peter losing his cool and cursing at Lawson without being touched by it at all. For those few in the reading audience who have only been part of real spiritual organizations, and have never spent time in the TM movement, this is an example of what is called experience jealousy. It happens when someone who has done everything they were told for 30 years and had nothing much in the way of actual spiritual experience meets someone who *didn't* do everything they were told, and who has had lots of real spiritual experiences *anyway*. I know that in organizations where pretty much all of the students have realization experiences on a regular basis, this phenomenon rarely comes up, so you might not have encountered it before. Because of this, I just thought I'd explain to you what was going on here, so that you'd understand the dynamics of it all. Carry on...
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On Dec 5, 2006, at 2:17 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 5, 2006, at 12:13 PM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: So what's your excuse for not making any progress on your own behavioral problems? LOL. I must have hit a nerve. You haven't used the Have you stopped beating your wife yet? argument in weeks. You only fall back on that old chestnut when you're trying to distract attention away from something that's been said -- accurately -- about you. Here. I'll say it again. You care more about keeping Lawson compulsively posting to FFL than you care about him meditating. With friends like you, who needs enemies? I think they'd make a wonderful couple. I would take Lawson's rigorous intellect, honesty, courage, and just basic niceness over the posturing and twisted viciousness of the two of you in a nanosecond. Character counts. He's certainly a character! Lawson, I think she's interested. Sorry Barry.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: I just meant I didn't see Peter's remarks as meant to put down or wound Lawson, purely for the sake of it- sadistically. Rather, there was a lesson to be learned, i.e. walk the walk vs just talk the talk. You may see it differently. Yeah, I see it as Peter being so pissed off at Lawson that he lost his cool and cursed at him, thereby giving us all a lesson in how the enlightened can behave. I'm sure that Peter was experiencing the infinite silence and bliss of the Self as he wrote it, witnessing Peter losing his cool and cursing at Lawson without being touched by it at all. For those few in the reading audience who have only been part of real spiritual organizations, and have never spent time in the TM movement, this is an example of what is called experience jealousy. Wrong *again*, Barry.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip Hey, it's just the Paradox of Brahman. Not at all- its the failure of you and sparaig to just deal with Peter as Peter, and instead thinking that he should act differently than he is because he was talking about enlightened states earler. Every aspect of Peter's response oozed attachment. Attachment was oozing, but there was no Peter. I don't get it- please explain. Thanks.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip Hey, it's just the Paradox of Brahman. Not at all- its the failure of you and sparaig to just deal with Peter as Peter, and instead thinking that he should act differently than he is because he was talking about enlightened states earler. Every aspect of Peter's response oozed attachment. Attachment was oozing, but there was no Peter. I don't get it- please explain. Thanks. No I to take authorship of the response that Lawson says oozed attachment, just the three gunas interacting.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip Hey, it's just the Paradox of Brahman. Not at all- its the failure of you and sparaig to just deal with Peter as Peter, and instead thinking that he should act differently than he is because he was talking about enlightened states earler. Every aspect of Peter's response oozed attachment. Attachment was oozing, but there was no Peter. I don't get it- please explain. Thanks. No I to take authorship of the response that Lawson says oozed attachment, just the three gunas interacting. Who's attachment was it then?
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: snip Every aspect of Peter's response oozed attachment. Attachment was oozing, but there was no Peter. I don't get it- please explain. Thanks. No I to take authorship of the response that Lawson says oozed attachment, just the three gunas interacting. Who's attachment was it then? Nobody's!
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 5, 2006, at 2:17 PM, authfriend wrote: snip I would take Lawson's rigorous intellect, honesty, courage, and just basic niceness over the posturing and twisted viciousness of the two of you in a nanosecond. Character counts. He's certainly a character! Lawson, I think she's interested. Just a hypothetical, Lawson. I'm already spoken for. Also, I apologize for seeming to damn you with faint praise.
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Peter wrote: Hey Sparaig, I was on Purusha when it first started in DC for a year. Where were you, biatch? And I do my program twice a day, so go f*ck yourself holier than thou prick. Very impressive! Have you ever considered corresponding on Usenet? http://tinyurl.com/ymmrck
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--- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: snip Every aspect of Peter's response oozed attachment. Attachment was oozing, but there was no Peter. I don't get it- please explain. Thanks. No I to take authorship of the response that Lawson says oozed attachment, just the three gunas interacting. Who's attachment was it then? Nobody's! I just opened this email so I'll jump in the conversation here. I got so irritated at Sparaig for his ridiculous post. I'm just tired of his self-righteous, dogmatic posts. What the hell does attachment or non-attachment have to do with anger? Forget about me, but have you ever seen MMY get mad? I have and so have others. He explodes in incredible fury. Quite amazing. Don't think a realized person can't get angry. Jesus, what a stupid concept to have. Hasn't anyone learned anything after 30 plus years of meditation? What a bunch of mood makers. No wonder all these rus die of cancer. They eat their own anger and it doesn't digest and becomes ama. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Have a burning question? Go to www.Answers.yahoo.com and get answers from real people who know.
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--- Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter wrote: Hey Sparaig, I was on Purusha when it first started in DC for a year. Where were you, biatch? And I do my program twice a day, so go f*ck yourself holier than thou prick. Very impressive! Have you ever considered corresponding on Usenet? http://tinyurl.com/ymmrck Ha Ha! I'll sign-up for a tryout! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. Ask your question on www.Answers.yahoo.com
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Tom T: Holding on to any expectation or having any expectation is to practice pre-meditated anger. Things may not appear the way that you think they should and then that leads to anger that things are not the way you wanted or expected them to be. Just BE and see what happens. Tom Judy writes: Blah blah blah. I wasn't having any expectation. See my response to Jim before you sound off, please. Tom T: Not sounding off and was not addressing you. Just making a general point on the subject. Not every email on this site is addresed specifically to or about you. There are about 1100 other people here. I just might have been addressing every one else here except you. Oh God you mean it isn't all about you. Heaven forbid.
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Dr. Pete writes snipped: I just opened this email so I'll jump in the conversation here. I got so irritated at Sparaig for his ridiculous post. I'm just tired of his self-righteous, dogmatic posts. What the hell does attachment or non-attachment have to do with anger? Forget about me, but have you ever seen MMY get mad? I have and so have others. He explodes in incredible fury. Quite amazing. Don't think a realized person can't get angry. Jesus, what a stupid concept to have. Hasn't anyone learned anything after 30 plus years of meditation? What a bunch of mood makers. No wonder all these rus die of cancer. They eat their own anger and it doesn't digest and becomes ama. Tom T: True story about John Duillard being asked to give Triguna a chiro adjustment and to tell MMY what he noticed in Trigunas physiology through his chiro work. So Duillard did his thing to Triguna in front of the entire gathering in front of MMY. Duillard seemed hesitant to talk so MMY tells him to speak up. Duillard says that he has found a bit of Anger in Trigunas physiology that needs to be resolved. As soon as Duillard says the Anger word Triguna reacts with a huge angry shout who! me angry? At that point MMY broke up into convulsive laughter as did the entire audience and then Triguna saw the joke was on him and then Triguna joined in and figured out that MMY had set him up.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom T: Holding on to any expectation or having any expectation is to practice pre-meditated anger. Things may not appear the way that you think they should and then that leads to anger that things are not the way you wanted or expected them to be. Just BE and see what happens. Tom Judy writes: Blah blah blah. I wasn't having any expectation. See my response to Jim before you sound off, please. Tom T: Not sounding off and was not addressing you. Just making a general point on the subject. Not every email on this site is addresed specifically to or about you. There are about 1100 other people here. I just might have been addressing every one else here except you. Oh God you mean it isn't all about you. Heaven forbid. Even worse if you were addressing everybody.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: snip Every aspect of Peter's response oozed attachment. Attachment was oozing, but there was no Peter. I don't get it- please explain. Thanks. No I to take authorship of the response that Lawson says oozed attachment, just the three gunas interacting. Who's attachment was it then? Nobody's! I just opened this email so I'll jump in the conversation here. I got so irritated at Sparaig for his ridiculous post. I'm just tired of his self-righteous, dogmatic posts. What the hell does attachment or non-attachment have to do with anger? Forget about me, but have you ever seen MMY get mad? I have and so have others. He explodes in incredible fury. Quite amazing. Don't think a realized person can't get angry. Jesus, what a stupid concept to have. I don't think it was your anger so much as the apparent egotism behind it that was so striking and that inspired the remark about oozing attachment.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 4, 2006, at 11:52 AM, avtsn wrote: 1000 headed Purusha programm about 4 months. Look for sponsor for very small money to support. please contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks in advance, Aram Avetsiyan Where exactly do you live, Aram? Does your local paper have an Employment Section? Work is so...so...unevolved. Only peons work.
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On Dec 4, 2006, at 1:11 PM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 4, 2006, at 11:52 AM, avtsn wrote: 1000 headed Purusha programm about 4 months. Look for sponsor for very small money to support. please contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks in advance, Aram Avetsiyan Where exactly do you live, Aram? Does your local paper have an Employment Section? Work is so...so...unevolved. Only peons work. I know, I know. But as one of the peons, I just thought I'd suggest it in case, well, in case hitting up total strangers for $$ doesn't quite work out. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purusha programm Sponsorship
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 4, 2006, at 1:11 PM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Dec 4, 2006, at 11:52 AM, avtsn wrote: 1000 headed Purusha programm about 4 months. Look for sponsor for very small money to support. please contact aravet@ Thanks in advance, Aram Avetsiyan Where exactly do you live, Aram? Does your local paper have an Employment Section? Work is so...so...unevolved. Only peons work. I know, I know. But as one of the peons, I just thought I'd suggest it in case, well, in case hitting up total strangers for $$ doesn't quite work out. Sal Hari Krishna! Here's a flower...
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Sal, you stole my thunder! Of course, neither of you have indicated interest in either being on such a program, or helping someone be on such a program, so your thunder is quite Shakspearean, specifically, along the lines of Macbeth's sound and fury, signifying nothing... ...told by an idiot, too, I warrant. --- Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 4, 2006, at 11:52 AM, avtsn wrote: 1000 headed Purusha programm about 4 months. Look for sponsor for very small money to support. please contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks in advance, Aram Avetsiyan Where exactly do you live, Aram? Does your local paper have an Employment Section?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purusha programm Sponsorship
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 4, 2006, at 11:52 AM, avtsn wrote: 1000 headed Purusha programm about 4 months. Look for sponsor for very small money to support. please contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks in advance, Aram Avetsiyan Where exactly do you live, Aram? Does your local paper have an Employment Section? Sal Perhaps Armenia?
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Hey Sparaig, I was on Purusha when it first started in DC for a year. Where were you, biatch? And I do my program twice a day, so go f*ck yourself holier than thou prick. --- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Sal, you stole my thunder! Of course, neither of you have indicated interest in either being on such a program, or helping someone be on such a program, so your thunder is quite Shakspearean, specifically, along the lines of Macbeth's sound and fury, signifying nothing... ...told by an idiot, too, I warrant. --- Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 4, 2006, at 11:52 AM, avtsn wrote: 1000 headed Purusha programm about 4 months. Look for sponsor for very small money to support. please contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks in advance, Aram Avetsiyan Where exactly do you live, Aram? Does your local paper have an Employment Section? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purusha programm Sponsorship
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Sparaig, I was on Purusha when it first started in DC for a year. Where were you, biatch? And I do my program twice a day, so go f*ck yourself holier than thou prick. Thankyou for your enlightened sentiments... --- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: Hey Sal, you stole my thunder! Of course, neither of you have indicated interest in either being on such a program, or helping someone be on such a program, so your thunder is quite Shakspearean, specifically, along the lines of Macbeth's sound and fury, signifying nothing... ...told by an idiot, too, I warrant. --- Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Dec 4, 2006, at 11:52 AM, avtsn wrote: 1000 headed Purusha programm about 4 months. Look for sponsor for very small money to support. please contact aravet@ Thanks in advance, Aram Avetsiyan Where exactly do you live, Aram? Does your local paper have an Employment Section? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purusha programm Sponsorship
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: Hey Sparaig, I was on Purusha when it first started in DC for a year. Where were you, biatch? And I do my program twice a day, so go f*ck yourself holier than thou prick. Thankyou for your enlightened sentiments... Just shows you how grounded and normal anyone can be while still experiencing free-fall forever during daily life, all teflon all the way down with absolutely nothing to cling to, attach to, or lean on. There is nobody actually saying Go f*ck yourself holier than thou prick, it's just *being said*, see, just incredible heart value. @-|
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: Hey Sparaig, I was on Purusha when it first started in DC for a year. Where were you, biatch? And I do my program twice a day, so go f*ck yourself holier than thou prick. Thankyou for your enlightened sentiments... Just shows you how grounded and normal anyone can be while still experiencing free-fall forever during daily life, all teflon all the way down with absolutely nothing to cling to, attach to, or lean on. There is nobody actually saying Go f*ck yourself holier than thou prick, it's just *being said*, see, just incredible heart value. @-| ** But calling someone a meathead could be a way that we establish, affirm and strengthen bonds of friendship and intimacy, Professor Westacott writes in an essay that is sprinkled with phrases like meta- conventions and references to Wittgenstein and Heraclitus, and that comes with a diagram on Classifying and Appraising Rudeness. In addition, he writes, teasing is one important way in which asymmetries and pecking orders are established, sustained and challenged. from: Go Ahead, Call Your Friend 'Meathead' New York Times, November 25, 2006, Saturday By DINITIA SMITH (NYT); The Arts/Cultural Desk Late Edition - Final, Section B, Page 7, Column 6, 997 words DISPLAYING ABSTRACT - Sometimes, it's perfectly all right to be rude. So says Emrys Westacott, a professor at Alfred University in Alfred, N.Y., in an article published in the fall in The Journal of Applied Philosophy. In fact, he says, sometimes rudeness can even be a good thing.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purusha programm Sponsorship
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: Hey Sparaig, I was on Purusha when it first started in DC for a year. Where were you, biatch? And I do my program twice a day, so go f*ck yourself holier than thou prick. Thankyou for your enlightened sentiments... Just shows you how grounded and normal anyone can be while still experiencing free-fall forever during daily life, all teflon all the way down with absolutely nothing to cling to, attach to, or lean on. There is nobody actually saying Go f*ck yourself holier than thou prick, it's just *being said*, see, just incredible heart value. @-| Well said- Peter obviously missed the memo dated 01/08/00, reproduced below: FROM: Enlightenment Supreme Command TO: Enlightened Ones Now that you are Enlightened, the following rules are to be followed AT ALL TIMES. No exceptions. This means you. 1) Act enlightened everywhere, and every place. 2) Do NOT, repeat, Do NOT manifest elements of your true personality. 3) When responding to others, maintain a semblance of evenness- no raising of the voice, or God forbid, no curse words! 4) Always speak in an even tone with a neutral expression on the face, so others will know you are enlightened. 5) Stop being yourself. 6) Stop acting normally. 7) Vegetarian food rocks. 8) Remember, you have now joined the other side- a world of bliss and lollipops and sugar. Remember, you are always happy now. 9) Negative thoughts have no place in the mind of the enlightened. 10) Do not ever say or think anything negative. Ever. I said *ever*. 11)That is all. Just...Be...Enlightened! I'll be sure and forward this to him, if he doesn't read it first. I don't know how this one slipped through the cracks...From the bottom of my heart, I am very sorry. This won't happen again. Peter really IS enlightened- Cross my heart, hope to die! signed, Jim Sargeant Major Enlightenment (Secret) Police
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purusha programm Sponsorship
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: Hey Sparaig, I was on Purusha when it first started in DC for a year. Where were you, biatch? And I do my program twice a day, so go f*ck yourself holier than thou prick. Thankyou for your enlightened sentiments... Just shows you how grounded and normal anyone can be while still experiencing free-fall forever during daily life, all teflon all the way down with absolutely nothing to cling to, attach to, or lean on. There is nobody actually saying Go f*ck yourself holier than thou prick, it's just *being said*, see, just incredible heart value. @-| Well said- Peter obviously missed the memo dated 01/08/00, reproduced below: Hey, it's just the Paradox of Brahman. No memo needed. I mean, if *anybody* can accuse somebody else of being holier than thou, it's the enlightened person, right? FROM: Enlightenment Supreme Command TO: Enlightened Ones snip
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purusha programm Sponsorship
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: Hey Sparaig, I was on Purusha when it first started in DC for a year. Where were you, biatch? And I do my program twice a day, so go f*ck yourself holier than thou prick. Thankyou for your enlightened sentiments... Just shows you how grounded and normal anyone can be while still experiencing free-fall forever during daily life, all teflon all the way down with absolutely nothing to cling to, attach to, or lean on. There is nobody actually saying Go f*ck yourself holier than thou prick, it's just *being said*, see, just incredible heart value. @-| It's just the appropriate response to the body being chased by a sparrow (sparaig)...
