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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Aren't we a cheerful bunch!! But it ain't lookin' real good out there, is it? Speak for yourself, honey. What things look like depends a great deal on where you live, what the media in that place beam at you, and most of all the psychic mindset of the place itself. The psychic mindset of the United States of America right now is fear. In particular, fear of loss. That is why I don't live there. If I did, I'd probably be as focused on all the negative and potentially threatening things in the world as many folks there are. But I don't live there. I live somewhere where the psychic and media mindsets are different, and where *most* of the people I meet are *not* focused on all this stuff and worried about it. You mentioned at one point that new regulations in the US have curtailed your ability to travel. Have you ever looked into *that* as the cause for some of your focus, as much as anything else? I've heard people make a good argument for the notion that we went to war to keep an economic melt-down at bay. Apparently it's not working. Well, we're overpopulated and so wholesale slaughter is unavoidable to their way of thinking. Do you remember a comedian named Sam Kinison? Big, brash guy whose schtick was to set up a joke and then yell out the punchline at the top of his voice? The one I find myself remembering right now went something like, I've got a message for all of those folks who are starving in Ethiopia. MOVE TO WHERE THE FOOD IS!!! Yeah, yeah. I know that in many cases they can't. But most of the folks reading this forum could. And a little road trip *outside* the borders of the US might do wonders for their view of whether the world is lookin' dismal or not so much. I'm not sayin' that Europe doesn't have its issues and problems. All I'm sayin' is that I don't see the people who live there -- for the most part, England excluded -- living in fear the way that Americans tend to. I think that the issue is psychically environmental. There is something WRONG with the *place* right now. And one of the easiest ways to shed the psychic side effects of that wrongness is to get away from it for a while, and immerse yourself in a different psychic environment. It doesn't make the problems go away, but it sure can do wonders for one's ability to not let the problems get one down. Just another commercial for the value of Road Trips. We now return you to your normally-scheduled programming. So to speak. :-)
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Can you post any evidence that U.S. soldiers tortured and raped any babies in the Vietnam conflict? Angela Mailander wrote: I won't convince you of the facts of life and war regardless of what evidence I bring to bear on the subject, but I am certain of my facts here. Only one soldier was convicted of war crimes in Vietnam - William Calley. Do you know of any others? John Kerry didn't mention any at the Winter Soldier testimony. An Introduction to the My Lai Courts-Martial: By Doug Linder http://tinyurl.com/p75b How will you train men to kill without making them brutal? You can easily make ordinary people torture other people in laboratory settings. But you said American forces were guilty. This has been shown again and again. In war time it is something that just happens routinely. It begins with soldiers going into battle because they fear their own officers more than they fear the enemy, and it ends with soldiers going crazy and killing and raping anything that comes their way. This is the reality of war and everyone who has seen war understands that. I have personally seen a soldier rape a baby. I have also seen a soldier take a baby by the feet and dash its brains out. These kinds of things are normal and routine in a war. Angela Mailander wrote: Soldiers will rape babies and commit other acts of torture and wanton killing. That's not true of every single soldier that ever lived, but it is true of most soldiers regardless of nationality or racial origin.
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Angela Mailander wrote: Well, yeah, there's all that, too. There's no real indication that we actually want to win this one--instead, we want to drag it out as long as possible. And anyway, by some standards, we've already won. So, you think we are in a war? We've got the bases and we've got the oil. How much oil from Iraq is imported into the U.S. - probably none. Iraq's average production was 2.4 million barrels per day in January while exports stood at an average of 1.92 million barrels per day. December's exports averaged 1.81 million barrels per day. Iraq OKs agreements with foreign oil firms: http://tinyurl.com/395khy The 2003 drop in oil production by Iraq accounted for less than 1 percent of world production. Overall, world oil output went up from 2002 to 2006. 'Math Wrong on Iraq' by Amity Shlaes Bloomberg, March 5, 2008 http://tinyurl.com/32jy9l What kind of an absurdity is it that we are paying for the reconstruction of Iraq with American taxpayers dollars if Iraqi oil sales, to a significant degree, are going into foreign banks and not being used for their own reconstruction, said Sen. Carl Levin, a Michigan Democrat. Full story: 'US senator wants Iraq oil funds used for rebuilding' By Richard Cowan Reuters, Tue Mar 4, 2008 http://tinyurl.com/2susdz
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I don't know that it's just the media, Turq. Myself, in my usual blend of mysticism, I believe that people in this country have inherited much karma for exploiting, or for being in cahoots with exploiters of, all the resources of the entire world, and that we have a forward carrier wave of prescience for rough times ahead. There's also a certain amount of guilt for shooting amiss, and denial for blowing our heroic stature in the recent unheroic occupations. America used to be land of the free, but now, as the TSOL punk song says, America, land of the free. Free to the power of the people in the uniform. (Wake Up Silent Majority) One of the main things is that we used to feel free through protest. And though the country might have thought protest was at times quite misplaced, it still felt like Americans felt strongly about things. But that ability to protest has been snuffed out through general malaise of spirit as the government has acquired the dinosaur characteristics of the Cretaceous period. Most Americans now feel that protest is futile. In short, Americans are waking up to a new sense of something less that freedom, as brought about through their own slumber. But worse yet is the fact that many Americans seem to really enjoy this time and feel that we are doing just great. That's usually the reason for despondency. I mean, why cook something original and exotic when sloppy joes are working just fine? Anyway, this is not America. Though it still looks like it. People are wondering what they are now dreaming. Because it's not all happy and bright, and the shadow is just starting to cover the sun by inches. Lurk, I believe was touting the often noted comparison between Buddha and Vedic, Christ and Jew. How both opened the ranks somewhat. However, here's one thing Buddha specifically did do for India that is not just theory. He, and Mahavira, both spoke about karma and ahimsa, speaking against the prevalent and huge Vedic sacrifices, and due to them most sacrifices then became more environmentally friendly, and stopped with killing. It's said that Guru Rinpoche also did the same sort of thing relating to the Bonpos in Tibet. Now would be high time for someone nonsectarian, who is respected by everyone (if such a being existed) to promote the environment over exploit. I suppose the seed bank in Svalbard is a telling sign of the times that some scientists are forward planning such things. Anyway, time is ripe for some changes. Big sweeping changes which will take over the whole world. Because America has been the model, and now that it's curving away from the middle, towards the right, other lands will follow. Americans feel the fear of having been merely an artificial oasis of affluence and moral high ground which is soon going to merge into the generally uncertain world. The distant view of the mountain peak has been switched with one of the flat dessert. Stretching away into the distance. Uncertainty is what's for dinner. Original Message - From: TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 2:10 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Obama/Stay w/Message of Hope, Unity Wisdom' --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Aren't we a cheerful bunch!! But it ain't lookin' real good out there, is it? Speak for yourself, honey. What things look like depends a great deal on where you live, what the media in that place beam at you, and most of all the psychic mindset of the place itself. The psychic mindset of the United States of America right now is fear. In particular, fear of loss. That is why I don't live there. If I did, I'd probably be as focused on all the negative and potentially threatening things in the world as many folks there are. But I don't live there. I live somewhere where the psychic and media mindsets are different, and where *most* of the people I meet are *not* focused on all this stuff and worried about it. You mentioned at one point that new regulations in the US have curtailed your ability to travel. Have you ever looked into *that* as the cause for some of your focus, as much as anything else? I've heard people make a good argument for the notion that we went to war to keep an economic melt-down at bay. Apparently it's not working. Well, we're overpopulated and so wholesale slaughter is unavoidable to their way of thinking. Do you remember a comedian named Sam Kinison? Big, brash guy whose schtick was to set up a joke and then yell out the punchline at the top of his voice? The one I find myself remembering right now went something like, I've got a message for all of those folks who are starving in Ethiopia. MOVE TO WHERE THE FOOD IS!!! Yeah, yeah. I know that in many cases they can't. But most of the folks reading this forum could. And a little road trip *outside
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Why is it so difficult to accept this, Willitex? You want to win the war we're in at the moment. It's the enemy that is terrorizing the civilian population, that's why we are fighting the terrorists. It's not really difficult to accept, Angela. You have to decide what side you are on and then fight. Do you think there is a remote chance that this can be done without terrorizing the civilian population? Probably not, as long as the radical Islamists keep fighting a war against the civilians. One thing should be clear: If there is no Qassam (rocket) fire on Israel, there will be no Israeli attack on Gaza, Olmert says, according to Reuters. We do not rise in the morning and think about how to attack Gaza. 'Israel says it won't attack Gaza if rocket attacks cease' USA Today, March 4, 2008 http://tinyurl.com/25z7ov Bhairitu wrote: And Willy never defines what winning the war is? Winning is preventing attacks by killing your enemies first. It's basic self-defense strategy. We must win the war in Afghanistan to prevent a resurgent Taliban. Apparently you don't even know who your enemies are. If historians are not to look back on early 2008 as the time when the west lost Afghanistan, then action is required. But what to do? Read more: 'Don't abandon Afghanistan' By Daniel Korski Guardian, March 5, 2008 http://tinyurl.com/2l2eqm Or how you determine that the war has been won? When you're still alive and the enemy calls for a truce? And what exactly is the war anyway? Obviously you don't have all the answers. Is it the war to occupy Iraq? No, the war was declared on the U.S. by the terrorists such as Osama bin Laden - the U.S. has not declared a war on anyone. Most of your congressional leaders gave the President the authority to use force to unseat the Saddam regime.
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Just as there was rhetorical fear, rather than the real thing, in Dove's writing, there is rhetorical anxiety in my observations about the state of the world, not any real emotional angst. I am of good cheer because in this moment all things are totally excellent, but that doesn't mean I'm blind. I'm a writer. That means a level of detachment from the writing because it is a craft--in fact, I'd say that writing is a technique that ultimately leads to detachment. I can write about the bottom of hell without suffering, obviously. When Dostoyevsky wrote The Underground Man, he gave us a record of what profound depression is like from the inside. I doubt very much that he could have done that had he been depressed. The act of writing is creative, and creative activity is a joy forever. It is true that I can't travel out of the country, but I accept that, and it doesn't affect my mood--I'm living in the lap of luxury at the moment in spite of the fact that my income is about zilch, and am about to even improve my living situation. Blessings can come without money. Besides all that, aren't we committed to a world view that says we are supposed to be OK even while all around us is going down the tubes? The exhilarating thing for me is that, incredibly, I find that I can live that state. I don't know how well I could live it if my circumstances were to change, but this morning I am just fine in spite of the fact that my daughter just now told me her condition is terminal. --- TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Aren't we a cheerful bunch!! But it ain't lookin' real good out there, is it? Speak for yourself, honey. What things look like depends a great deal on where you live, what the media in that place beam at you, and most of all the psychic mindset of the place itself. The psychic mindset of the United States of America right now is fear. In particular, fear of loss. That is why I don't live there. If I did, I'd probably be as focused on all the negative and potentially threatening things in the world as many folks there are. But I don't live there. I live somewhere where the psychic and media mindsets are different, and where *most* of the people I meet are *not* focused on all this stuff and worried about it. You mentioned at one point that new regulations in the US have curtailed your ability to travel. Have you ever looked into *that* as the cause for some of your focus, as much as anything else? I've heard people make a good argument for the notion that we went to war to keep an economic melt-down at bay. Apparently it's not working. Well, we're overpopulated and so wholesale slaughter is unavoidable to their way of thinking. Do you remember a comedian named Sam Kinison? Big, brash guy whose schtick was to set up a joke and then yell out the punchline at the top of his voice? The one I find myself remembering right now went something like, I've got a message for all of those folks who are starving in Ethiopia. MOVE TO WHERE THE FOOD IS!!! Yeah, yeah. I know that in many cases they can't. But most of the folks reading this forum could. And a little road trip *outside* the borders of the US might do wonders for their view of whether the world is lookin' dismal or not so much. I'm not sayin' that Europe doesn't have its issues and problems. All I'm sayin' is that I don't see the people who live there -- for the most part, England excluded -- living in fear the way that Americans tend to. I think that the issue is psychically environmental. There is something WRONG with the *place* right now. And one of the easiest ways to shed the psychic side effects of that wrongness is to get away from it for a while, and immerse yourself in a different psychic environment. It doesn't make the problems go away, but it sure can do wonders for one's ability to not let the problems get one down. Just another commercial for the value of Road Trips. We now return you to your normally-scheduled programming. So to speak. :-) Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
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TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Aren't we a cheerful bunch!! But it ain't lookin' real good out there, is it? Speak for yourself, honey. What things look like depends a great deal on where you live, what the media in that place beam at you, and most of all the psychic mindset of the place itself. The psychic mindset of the United States of America right now is fear. In particular, fear of loss. That is why I don't live there. If I did, I'd probably be as focused on all the negative and potentially threatening things in the world as many folks there are. I don't think it is fear, especially with me. I'm just outraged and I mentioning these things as a reality check for those who would otherwise have their heads stuck in the ground. My joke which Angela was referring to was about the fact that possible wars are breaking out. One is in this hemisphere between Venezuela and Columbia and the Bushies got to be licking their chops. But I don't live there. I live somewhere where the psychic and media mindsets are different, and where *most* of the people I meet are *not* focused on all this stuff and worried about it. So their heads are stuck in the ground? You mentioned at one point that new regulations in the US have curtailed your ability to travel. Have you ever looked into *that* as the cause for some of your focus, as much as anything else? Travel restrictions are ridiculous. They really have nothing to do with terrorism. I believe they have to do with the establishment not liking the amount of travel that the average person was able to do before 9-11. And see, just like you, that there might be better places in the world to live. I've heard people make a good argument for the notion that we went to war to keep an economic melt-down at bay. Apparently it's not working. Well, we're overpopulated and so wholesale slaughter is unavoidable to their way of thinking. Do you remember a comedian named Sam Kinison? Big, brash guy whose schtick was to set up a joke and then yell out the punchline at the top of his voice? The one I find myself remembering right now went something like, I've got a message for all of those folks who are starving in Ethiopia. MOVE TO WHERE THE FOOD IS!!! Yeah, yeah. I know that in many cases they can't. But most of the folks reading this forum could. And a little road trip *outside* the borders of the US might do wonders for their view of whether the world is lookin' dismal or not so much. I'm not sayin' that Europe doesn't have its issues and problems. All I'm sayin' is that I don't see the people who live there -- for the most part, England excluded -- living in fear the way that Americans tend to. I think that the issue is psychically environmental. They just cried wolf again about possible attacks on sports There is something WRONG with the *place* right now. And one of the easiest ways to shed the psychic side effects of that wrongness is to get away from it for a while, and immerse yourself in a different psychic environment. IOW, stick your head in the ground. It doesn't make the problems go away, but it sure can do wonders for one's ability to not let the problems get one down. Hey, some of us aren't attached to what is going on. We're just witnessing it. :D But we still want to point it out and try to motivate people to throw a monkey wrench (or spanner for the Brits) in the works.
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Hey, some of us aren't attached to what is going on. We're just witnessing it. :D Yeah, right. That's why your posts are full of conspiracy theories. :-) Traveling to get one's head into a different psychic space is NOT sticking one's head in the sand. It's an exercise in learning what you seem to be denying, that one IS affected by the psychic environment one lives in. Want to find out what that psychic environ- ment is like? Well, you CAN'T from within it. You have to get away for a while, to somewhere very different psychically. While there, prac- tice mindfulness. Then, when you go back home, practice mindfulness there and see how your mindset changes. You'll be surprised. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander mailander111@ wrote: Aren't we a cheerful bunch!! But it ain't lookin' real good out there, is it? Speak for yourself, honey. What things look like depends a great deal on where you live, what the media in that place beam at you, and most of all the psychic mindset of the place itself. The psychic mindset of the United States of America right now is fear. In particular, fear of loss. That is why I don't live there. If I did, I'd probably be as focused on all the negative and potentially threatening things in the world as many folks there are. I don't think it is fear, especially with me. I'm just outraged and I mentioning these things as a reality check for those who would otherwise have their heads stuck in the ground. My joke which Angela was referring to was about the fact that possible wars are breaking out. One is in this hemisphere between Venezuela and Columbia and the Bushies got to be licking their chops. But I don't live there. I live somewhere where the psychic and media mindsets are different, and where *most* of the people I meet are *not* focused on all this stuff and worried about it. So their heads are stuck in the ground? You mentioned at one point that new regulations in the US have curtailed your ability to travel. Have you ever looked into *that* as the cause for some of your focus, as much as anything else? Travel restrictions are ridiculous. They really have nothing to do with terrorism. I believe they have to do with the establishment not liking the amount of travel that the average person was able to do before 9-11. And see, just like you, that there might be better places in the world to live. I've heard people make a good argument for the notion that we went to war to keep an economic melt-down at bay. Apparently it's not working. Well, we're overpopulated and so wholesale slaughter is unavoidable to their way of thinking. Do you remember a comedian named Sam Kinison? Big, brash guy whose schtick was to set up a joke and then yell out the punchline at the top of his voice? The one I find myself remembering right now went something like, I've got a message for all of those folks who are starving in Ethiopia. MOVE TO WHERE THE FOOD IS!!! Yeah, yeah. I know that in many cases they can't. But most of the folks reading this forum could. And a little road trip *outside* the borders of the US might do wonders for their view of whether the world is lookin' dismal or not so much. I'm not sayin' that Europe doesn't have its issues and problems. All I'm sayin' is that I don't see the people who live there -- for the most part, England excluded -- living in fear the way that Americans tend to. I think that the issue is psychically environmental. They just cried wolf again about possible attacks on sports There is something WRONG with the *place* right now. And one of the easiest ways to shed the psychic side effects of that wrongness is to get away from it for a while, and immerse yourself in a different psychic environment. IOW, stick your head in the ground. It doesn't make the problems go away, but it sure can do wonders for one's ability to not let the problems get one down. Hey, some of us aren't attached to what is going on. We're just witnessing it. :D But we still want to point it out and try to motivate people to throw a monkey wrench (or spanner for the Brits) in the works.
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I know exactly what you mean by a different psychic space. This was abundantly clear as I moved from the U.S. to China and back. In fact, it hits you like a ton of bricks the minute you get out of the air port. But the witness can get deeper than the national psyche. I believe that Isaiah had a great deal of insight into this when he speaks of the escapees from the nations. So, from where I sit, I cannot know if Bhairitu's witness is deeper than the national psyche, nor can you. a --- TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, some of us aren't attached to what is going on. We're just witnessing it. :D Yeah, right. That's why your posts are full of conspiracy theories. :-) Traveling to get one's head into a different psychic space is NOT sticking one's head in the sand. It's an exercise in learning what you seem to be denying, that one IS affected by the psychic environment one lives in. Want to find out what that psychic environ- ment is like? Well, you CAN'T from within it. You have to get away for a while, to somewhere very different psychically. While there, prac- tice mindfulness. Then, when you go back home, practice mindfulness there and see how your mindset changes. You'll be surprised. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander mailander111@ wrote: Aren't we a cheerful bunch!! But it ain't lookin' real good out there, is it? Speak for yourself, honey. What things look like depends a great deal on where you live, what the media in that place beam at you, and most of all the psychic mindset of the place itself. The psychic mindset of the United States of America right now is fear. In particular, fear of loss. That is why I don't live there. If I did, I'd probably be as focused on all the negative and potentially threatening things in the world as many folks there are. I don't think it is fear, especially with me. I'm just outraged and I mentioning these things as a reality check for those who would otherwise have their heads stuck in the ground. My joke which Angela was referring to was about the fact that possible wars are breaking out. One is in this hemisphere between Venezuela and Columbia and the Bushies got to be licking their chops. But I don't live there. I live somewhere where the psychic and media mindsets are different, and where *most* of the people I meet are *not* focused on all this stuff and worried about it. So their heads are stuck in the ground? You mentioned at one point that new regulations in the US have curtailed your ability to travel. Have you ever looked into *that* as the cause for some of your focus, as much as anything else? Travel restrictions are ridiculous. They really have nothing to do with terrorism. I believe they have to do with the establishment not liking the amount of travel that the average person was able to do before 9-11. And see, just like you, that there might be better places in the world to live. I've heard people make a good argument for the notion that we went to war to keep an economic melt-down at bay. Apparently it's not working. Well, we're overpopulated and so wholesale slaughter is unavoidable to their way of thinking. Do you remember a comedian named Sam Kinison? Big, brash guy whose schtick was to set up a joke and then yell out the punchline at the top of his voice? The one I find myself remembering right now went something like, I've got a message for all of those folks who are starving in Ethiopia. MOVE TO WHERE THE FOOD IS!!! Yeah, yeah. I know that in many cases they can't. But most of the folks reading this forum could. And a little road trip *outside* the borders of the US might do wonders for their view of whether the world is lookin' dismal or not so much. I'm not sayin' that Europe doesn't have its issues and problems. All I'm sayin' is that I don't see the people who live there -- for the most part, England excluded -- living in fear the way that Americans tend to. I think that the issue is psychically environmental. They just cried wolf again about possible attacks on sports There is something WRONG with the *place* right now. And one of the easiest ways to shed the psychic side effects of that wrongness is to get away from it for a while, and immerse yourself in a different psychic environment. IOW, stick your head in the ground. It doesn't make the problems go away, but it sure can do wonders for one's ability to not let the problems get one down. Hey, some of us aren't attached to what is going on. We're just witnessing it. :D But we still want to point it out
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You think there are no Blackwater thugs and no American troops in Iraq terrorizing the civilian population? That's pretty amazing. As for choosing a side and fighting, I don't choose sides. If I were compelled to fight, I would probably do it or choose death. But I don't choose sides. I do not finally even know whether the wars we've seen in the last 100 years are necessary. Some people obviously think they are. As I said many times, the soldiers in the trenches don't see what the general on the hill sees. So, while I don't personally like war because I've seen it, I do not have the knowledge to decide in any absolute way what this planet needs for the survival of our species. Nor am I attached to that survival. As for Americans not being convicted of war crimes in large numbers, I think even you should be able to see that this does not mean that they aren't guilty. At the end of WWII, the war crimes trials were conducted by the winners of the war, not the losers, and even then, it was just an excellent P.R. move. If a scientist had expertise we needed, then it didn't matter what crimes he had committed--he was shipped to the U.S. to give that expertise to the U.S. My physics teacher in high school told me he'd have the choice to stand trial for war crimes or go to America and do what he was told. He said that had he not been able to escape, he'd have chosen death rather than do for America what he had done for Germany--not because he didn't like America, but because he didn't want to be guilty of such crimes yet one more time. --- Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why is it so difficult to accept this, Willitex? You want to win the war we're in at the moment. It's the enemy that is terrorizing the civilian population, that's why we are fighting the terrorists. It's not really difficult to accept, Angela. You have to decide what side you are on and then fight. Do you think there is a remote chance that this can be done without terrorizing the civilian population? Probably not, as long as the radical Islamists keep fighting a war against the civilians. One thing should be clear: If there is no Qassam (rocket) fire on Israel, there will be no Israeli attack on Gaza, Olmert says, according to Reuters. We do not rise in the morning and think about how to attack Gaza. 'Israel says it won't attack Gaza if rocket attacks cease' USA Today, March 4, 2008 http://tinyurl.com/25z7ov Bhairitu wrote: And Willy never defines what winning the war is? Winning is preventing attacks by killing your enemies first. It's basic self-defense strategy. We must win the war in Afghanistan to prevent a resurgent Taliban. Apparently you don't even know who your enemies are. If historians are not to look back on early 2008 as the time when the west lost Afghanistan, then action is required. But what to do? Read more: 'Don't abandon Afghanistan' By Daniel Korski Guardian, March 5, 2008 http://tinyurl.com/2l2eqm Or how you determine that the war has been won? When you're still alive and the enemy calls for a truce? And what exactly is the war anyway? Obviously you don't have all the answers. Is it the war to occupy Iraq? No, the war was declared on the U.S. by the terrorists such as Osama bin Laden - the U.S. has not declared a war on anyone. Most of your congressional leaders gave the President the authority to use force to unseat the Saddam regime. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
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TurquoiseB wrote: Hey, some of us aren't attached to what is going on. We're just witnessing it. :D Yeah, right. That's why your posts are full of conspiracy theories. :-) Traveling to get one's head into a different psychic space is NOT sticking one's head in the sand. It's an exercise in learning what you seem to be denying, that one IS affected by the psychic environment one lives in. Want to find out what that psychic environ- ment is like? Well, you CAN'T from within it. You have to get away for a while, to somewhere very different psychically. While there, prac- tice mindfulness. Then, when you go back home, practice mindfulness there and see how your mindset changes. You'll be surprised. Hey, I enjoy conspiracy theories like some folks enjoy good spy thrillers. Nothing wrong with that. However mindfulness is also being aware of your surroundings and what is going on it and of course attempt to fix things you don't like. And much of what is on the conspiracy sites winds up being mainstream news a couple months or so later. Nothing wrong with being ahead of the game. Apparently you like Willy think I'm running around scared all the time or something. Man I'm too busy watching movies to do that. :D So apparently your compadres in Europe are back to where they are in the 1930s? Ignoring Hitler, ignoring Mussolini. We can't afford to ignore Bush and his cronies. And I have fun poking fun at them. :D And besides you are residing in a vacation resort. Of course folks visiting there are trying to get away from it all! Do you think I join my friends at the Oregon resort town to sit around discuss conspiracy theories? (Well, actually they're quite political too but its a bit like preaching to the choir). And I'm also not just busy watching movies, but making them, making music, making animations, making software and yup even puttering around my house. Last week I removed an old over the range microwave and installed a new one all by myself! Try that on a rainy Sunday afternoon. ;-)
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And when I visited India I dreaded return to the US because people in India were so pleasant and kind and of course as soon as I set down in the US there was a hitch on getting the plane up and running for the rest of the trip and we ran two hours late and of course there was all this uptightness from people as I had dreaded. Now, of course if you know India they love to discuss religion and politics whereas in the US it is not polite to do so. They also like to discuss conspiracies because they happen quite blatantly there. Angela Mailander wrote: I know exactly what you mean by a different psychic space. This was abundantly clear as I moved from the U.S. to China and back. In fact, it hits you like a ton of bricks the minute you get out of the air port. But the witness can get deeper than the national psyche. I believe that Isaiah had a great deal of insight into this when he speaks of the escapees from the nations. So, from where I sit, I cannot know if Bhairitu's witness is deeper than the national psyche, nor can you. a
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This is one of the things I have reservations about when I take a look at Spiral Dynamics. Europe and the US are supposedly the most evolved nations on earth, but then, how come you can feel the fatigue and the heavy depression in the air the minute you hit a Stateside airport? In China you get hit by a wave of energy and hope, by contrast, and in India it's love and easygoing friendliness. And yeah, conspiracy theory is better than spy flicks. I like knowing what's really going on, and I learned early (because I went to high school in three different countries) that the official story that folks in a country learn in history classes and through the media is not really the truth. It's obvious because the story is not the same in different cultures. So then, you naturally begin to ask, well, why the differences and what is really going on behind those official stories? The reality is vastly more interesting than the official story and it also makes a great deal more sense. I agree with you that the powers that be don't really want too many of us to be world travelers. One reason is precisely the fact that if you travel enough and really live in different cultures, rather than just stopping by as a tourist, you begin to transcend the national psyche of any one place, and then, of course, you can't as easily be convinced of the notion my country right or wrong. You also stop taking sides. You love all people equally. --- Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And when I visited India I dreaded return to the US because people in India were so pleasant and kind and of course as soon as I set down in the US there was a hitch on getting the plane up and running for the rest of the trip and we ran two hours late and of course there was all this uptightness from people as I had dreaded. Now, of course if you know India they love to discuss religion and politics whereas in the US it is not polite to do so. They also like to discuss conspiracies because they happen quite blatantly there. Angela Mailander wrote: I know exactly what you mean by a different psychic space. This was abundantly clear as I moved from the U.S. to China and back. In fact, it hits you like a ton of bricks the minute you get out of the air port. But the witness can get deeper than the national psyche. I believe that Isaiah had a great deal of insight into this when he speaks of the escapees from the nations. So, from where I sit, I cannot know if Bhairitu's witness is deeper than the national psyche, nor can you. a Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
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Bhairitu wrote: My joke which Angela was referring to was about the fact that possible wars are breaking out. One is in this hemisphere between Venezuela and Columbia and the Bushies got to be licking their chops. You're a supporter of Chavez, right? So far, that's what's happening with Hugo Chavez's mobilization at the border that Colombia is ignoring. No surprise. Colombia's objective isn't war, it's free trade. Full story: 'Colombia Gives Free Trade A Chance' Investror's Business Daily, March 05, 2008 http://tinyurl.com/3y6t2e This week, Colombia launched a strike against a FARC base in Ecuador. Tired of terrorism, Colombia is not going to let FARC thugs hide in Ecuadorian or Venezuelan jungles. Read more: 'Behind the Colombia - Ecuador - Venezuela Border Fracas' by Austin Bay Strategy Page, March 4, 2008 http://tinyurl.com/2wcf6k
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Angela Mailander wrote: You think there are no Blackwater thugs and no American troops in Iraq terrorizing the civilian population? That's pretty amazing. That's correct - there's no Blackwater thugs and no American troops in Iraq terrorizing the civilian population. Terrorists are the thugs and the radical Islamists are doing the terrorizing. If you believe otherwise then you're just screwed up in the head. WASHINGTON -- The perception that the U.S. troop surge in Iraq has succeeded is changing some public views of the war, potentially blunting Democrats' political edge on the issue. Full story: 'Sentiment on Iraq Is Changing' By John D. McKinnon Wall Street Journal, March 5, 2008 http://tinyurl.com/2cxubx Apparently, it never occurred to these deep-thinkers that inflicting a defeat on al-Qaeda in Iraq -- a defeat made possible because a previously sympathetic population turned with our help against al Qaeda -- might constitute a devastating blow to al Qaeda's standing in the Arab world. Read more: 'Bad news for al Qaeda' Posted by Paul Mirengoff: Powerline, March 5, 2008 http://tinyurl.com/2f4ww2
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, some of us aren't attached to what is going on. We're just witnessing it. :D Yeah, right. That's why your posts are full of conspiracy theories. :-) Traveling to get one's head into a different psychic space is NOT sticking one's head in the sand. It's an exercise in learning what you seem to be denying, that one IS affected by the psychic environment one lives in. Want to find out what that psychic environ- ment is like? Well, you CAN'T from within it. You have to get away for a while, to somewhere very different psychically. While there, prac- tice mindfulness. Then, when you go back home, practice mindfulness there and see how your mindset changes. You'll be surprised. Hey, I enjoy conspiracy theories like some folks enjoy good spy thrillers. Nothing wrong with that. However mindfulness is also being aware of your surroundings and what is going on it and of course attempt to fix things you don't like. And much of what is on the conspiracy sites winds up being mainstream news a couple months or so later. Nothing wrong with being ahead of the game. Apparently you like Willy think I'm running around scared all the time or something. Man I'm too busy watching movies to do that. :D Whatever floats yer boat, dude. :-) Seriously, I can kinda get conspiracy theories as entertainment. That's what I look at them as. As for movies, here's an exercise in mindfulness for you, one that you might appreciate given your love for the Celluloid Goddess. This is actually one I got from Rama, so take it with a grain of salt, but I've had really remarkable results with it, and recommend it highly as a way to gain some insight into whether or how much your thinking is influenced by your psychic environment. Got a movie you really love? I mean *love*, as in being willing to see it over and over again? See it in different cities in different parts of the world. Be mindful each time you see it, listening as it were to the *types* and the *quality* of the thoughts you are thinking during the same movie in a different place. I found it utterly fascinating. The strongest experience in the contrast between two psychic environments involved the film American Beauty. I saw it first in Santa Fe. Everyone in the theater was transfixed, as was I...high as a kite. After the film waa over, people milled around outside the theater, unwilling to leave it. In the end people walked up to absolute strangers and asked whether they wanted to go somewhere for a beer and *talk* about the movie. We did. Until 2:00 a.m. In those days I was consulting in another city, flying from Santa Fe to Detroit on Sunday night and flying back Thursday night. So a few days later I found American Beauty playing at the theater in the town I had an apartment in while working there, Birmingham. Birmingham is like a high-rent suburb of Detroit, populated mainly by auto executives and their trophy wives. It's a zoo. Anyway, I saw the theater and remembered Rama's exercise in moviemindfulness and decided to see American Beauty again. What a shock. The shine that had gotten us so high watching it in Santa Fe was completely missing from the same movie here. It was as if so many people in the audi- ence were sitting there grinding their teeth *hating* what they saw onscreen (their own lives) and wanting it to *go away*, that it almost DID make it go away, even for me. I sat there feeling almost as fidgety as the people around me, enjoying the movie less. When the film ended there was absolute silence, as in Santa Fe, but a very different silence. It lasted only a second, and then the audience *bolted* for the doors. They just couldn't *wait* to get out the doors and put this whole movie experience behind them, forever. Anyway, I found it a fascinating exercise in watching the effect that a psychic environment can have on me. And I continue to. I have watched American Beauty in probably 10 different cities since then, and it's a different experience every time, quantitatively different than watch- ing it over and over at home, which I've also done. Hey, I like the movie. So apparently your compadres in Europe are back to where they are in the 1930s? Ignoring Hitler, ignoring Mussolini. No, I really don't think it's that. In my exper- ience in Europe with the Dutch, the French, and now the Catalunyans, they are usually far more aware of world events than Americans. And they are concerned when they need to be, and do some- thing about it when something needs to be done. But that doesn't take all that much *time*, man. Americans think about gnarly shit for much of their day! Many of the Europeans I have inter- acted with don't. They think about the gnarly political stuff only as long as they need to, and then enjoy the rest of their day. They don't allow the existence of terrorism and the
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TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, some of us aren't attached to what is going on. We're just witnessing it. :D Yeah, right. That's why your posts are full of conspiracy theories. :-) Traveling to get one's head into a different psychic space is NOT sticking one's head in the sand. It's an exercise in learning what you seem to be denying, that one IS affected by the psychic environment one lives in. Want to find out what that psychic environ- ment is like? Well, you CAN'T from within it. You have to get away for a while, to somewhere very different psychically. While there, prac- tice mindfulness. Then, when you go back home, practice mindfulness there and see how your mindset changes. You'll be surprised. Hey, I enjoy conspiracy theories like some folks enjoy good spy thrillers. Nothing wrong with that. However mindfulness is also being aware of your surroundings and what is going on it and of course attempt to fix things you don't like. And much of what is on the conspiracy sites winds up being mainstream news a couple months or so later. Nothing wrong with being ahead of the game. Apparently you like Willy think I'm running around scared all the time or something. Man I'm too busy watching movies to do that. :D Whatever floats yer boat, dude. :-) Seriously, I can kinda get conspiracy theories as entertainment. That's what I look at them as. As for movies, here's an exercise in mindfulness for you, one that you might appreciate given your love for the Celluloid Goddess. This is actually one I got from Rama, so take it with a grain of salt, but I've had really remarkable results with it, and recommend it highly as a way to gain some insight into whether or how much your thinking is influenced by your psychic environment. Got a movie you really love? I mean *love*, as in being willing to see it over and over again? See it in different cities in different parts of the world. Be mindful each time you see it, listening as it were to the *types* and the *quality* of the thoughts you are thinking during the same movie in a different place. I'm not much into spending a bunch of cash to see a movie I can see just as well in my home theater. Besides I've never found the pause or rewind button in those theaters yet. Most of my friends that I saw movies with have moved away and most just came to my house to see them here on my big screen. We occasionally went to see a film in a theater but were often bugged by the rudeness and unruliness of the great unwashed. Most theater going I do is at my digital theater up the hill and for some reason people are more polite around here but those are matinees and when I go I may actually be about the only person there. And yes sometimes when there are more people and only if they stick around until after the credits then we may chat a little about the film. When Cloverfield opened the manager was asking folks about how they liked the film. Mindfulness is just about having a quiet mind to begin with and I have some great techniques for that. But even then one can have some imbalances (mainly vata) that can cause the damn thing to chat away when you don't want it. Most yogis don't worry about these. So apparently your compadres in Europe are back to where they are in the 1930s? Ignoring Hitler, ignoring Mussolini. No, I really don't think it's that. In my exper- ience in Europe with the Dutch, the French, and now the Catalunyans, they are usually far more aware of world events than Americans. And they are concerned when they need to be, and do some- thing about it when something needs to be done. But that doesn't take all that much *time*, man. Americans think about gnarly shit for much of their day! Many of the Europeans I have inter- acted with don't. They think about the gnarly political stuff only as long as they need to, and then enjoy the rest of their day. They don't allow the existence of terrorism and the Bushes of the world to suck their attention and make them think about them all the time. Again just because I sometimes only post political stuff you are miss judging that that's all I think about. Sometimes I post other things including stuff on tantra, movies, electronics and maybe even some of my experiences being involved with TM. The internet has shrunk the world with consequences that I don't think the matrix anticipated and they're not happy about it. So I like to bring these things up from time to time. Again if you don't like my political posts, don't read them. And I have other friends who are much more political than I. In fact I would say there are other folks here who are more political than I. We can't afford to ignore Bush and his cronies. And I have fun poking fun at them. :D And besides you
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Angela Mailander wrote: Worst case scenario: Hill is hinting about sharing the ticket--that's a foregone conclusion to my mind. If she becomes vice, becoming prez is only a bullet away. And then she declares martial law. So, Angela, you're suggesting that, not only was John F. Kerry a baby killer when he was in Vietnam, that Hillary Clinton, if she becomes the Vice President, may want to kill the President so that she can declare martial law? WASHINGTON - Congratulations, Hillary Rodham Clinton. You did what your husband said you had to do and won Ohio and Texas. Full story: 'Clinton wins. Now what?' By Nedra Pickler Associated Press, Wed Mar 5, 2008 http://tinyurl.com/364wfr
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I am not suggesting anything about Kerry. About Hill, I'm only suggesting what is possible in our current political climate. Look at what has happened since 9/11. Do you think they'll let all those gains go and let us restore the bill of rights and call the troops home? Anything is possible--and anything means anything. That includes the best of all possible worlds as well, and I do hope for the best. --- Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Angela Mailander wrote: Worst case scenario: Hill is hinting about sharing the ticket--that's a foregone conclusion to my mind. If she becomes vice, becoming prez is only a bullet away. And then she declares martial law. So, Angela, you're suggesting that, not only was John F. Kerry a baby killer when he was in Vietnam, that Hillary Clinton, if she becomes the Vice President, may want to kill the President so that she can declare martial law? WASHINGTON - Congratulations, Hillary Rodham Clinton. You did what your husband said you had to do and won Ohio and Texas. Full story: 'Clinton wins. Now what?' By Nedra Pickler Associated Press, Wed Mar 5, 2008 http://tinyurl.com/364wfr Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
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Angela Mailander wrote: I am not suggesting anything about Kerry. But, didn't you post a message about the 'Winter Soldier' testimony to prove your contention that U.S. forces had tortured and raped babies? And wasn't John F. Kerry one of the main organizers of the Winter Soldier testimony? About Hill, I'm only suggesting what is possible in our current political climate. Look at what has happened since 9/11. Do you think they'll let all those gains go and let us restore the bill of rights There's no need to restore the bill of rights - what rights have you lost since 9/11? and call the troops home? I'm all in favor of calling the troops home, but not if we will lose the war - that would be a defeat. But the U.S. is probably not going to be calling any troops home any time soon. We've had troops in the Middle East for decades and troops in Europe and the Far East for fifty years or more. We have troops in Kosovo and we may be sending troops to Darfur as part of the United Nations force to stop the baby killing over there. You are in favor of stopping the baby killing, right? How are you going to stop the killing without any armed troops? Anything is possible--and anything means anything. That includes the best of all possible worlds as well, and I do hope for the best.
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Habeas Corpus is pretty much gone. Posse Comitatus is seriously compromised. Illegal spying and surveillance are rampant. As for me, personally, I have lost the right to travel outside the country as a direct result of changes to the pertinent laws since 9/11. Any American at an American air port can now be denied the right to travel. It is up to the individual agents. Soldiers will rape babies and commit other acts of torture and wanton killing. That's not true of every single soldier that ever lived, but it is true of most soldiers regardless of nationality or racial origin. I had difficulty getting people in China believe this also since they saw this kind of behavior on the part of Japanese soldiers, but not on the part of their own in Tibet, for example. Governments always shield their own populations from knowing the truth about the nature of warfare. Our soldiers are always honorable and their soldiers are always savage beasts. Why is it so difficult to accept this, Willitex? You want to win the war we're in at the moment. Do you think there is a remote chance that this can be done without terrorizing the civilian population? --- Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Angela Mailander wrote: I am not suggesting anything about Kerry. But, didn't you post a message about the 'Winter Soldier' testimony to prove your contention that U.S. forces had tortured and raped babies? And wasn't John F. Kerry one of the main organizers of the Winter Soldier testimony? About Hill, I'm only suggesting what is possible in our current political climate. Look at what has happened since 9/11. Do you think they'll let all those gains go and let us restore the bill of rights There's no need to restore the bill of rights - what rights have you lost since 9/11? and call the troops home? I'm all in favor of calling the troops home, but not if we will lose the war - that would be a defeat. But the U.S. is probably not going to be calling any troops home any time soon. We've had troops in the Middle East for decades and troops in Europe and the Far East for fifty years or more. We have troops in Kosovo and we may be sending troops to Darfur as part of the United Nations force to stop the baby killing over there. You are in favor of stopping the baby killing, right? How are you going to stop the killing without any armed troops? Anything is possible--and anything means anything. That includes the best of all possible worlds as well, and I do hope for the best. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
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And they kill innocent puppies. http://dragonflyexperiment.wordpress.com/2008/03/05/news-coverage-of-puppy-toss/ - Original Message - From: Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 12:44 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Obama/Stay w/Message of Hope, Unity Wisdom' Habeas Corpus is pretty much gone. Posse Comitatus is seriously compromised. Illegal spying and surveillance are rampant. As for me, personally, I have lost the right to travel outside the country as a direct result of changes to the pertinent laws since 9/11. Any American at an American air port can now be denied the right to travel. It is up to the individual agents. Soldiers will rape babies and commit other acts of torture and wanton killing. That's not true of every single soldier that ever lived, but it is true of most soldiers regardless of nationality or racial origin. I had difficulty getting people in China believe this also since they saw this kind of behavior on the part of Japanese soldiers, but not on the part of their own in Tibet, for example. Governments always shield their own populations from knowing the truth about the nature of warfare. Our soldiers are always honorable and their soldiers are always savage beasts. Why is it so difficult to accept this, Willitex? You want to win the war we're in at the moment. Do you think there is a remote chance that this can be done without terrorizing the civilian population? --- Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Angela Mailander wrote: I am not suggesting anything about Kerry. But, didn't you post a message about the 'Winter Soldier' testimony to prove your contention that U.S. forces had tortured and raped babies? And wasn't John F. Kerry one of the main organizers of the Winter Soldier testimony? About Hill, I'm only suggesting what is possible in our current political climate. Look at what has happened since 9/11. Do you think they'll let all those gains go and let us restore the bill of rights There's no need to restore the bill of rights - what rights have you lost since 9/11? and call the troops home? I'm all in favor of calling the troops home, but not if we will lose the war - that would be a defeat. But the U.S. is probably not going to be calling any troops home any time soon. We've had troops in the Middle East for decades and troops in Europe and the Far East for fifty years or more. We have troops in Kosovo and we may be sending troops to Darfur as part of the United Nations force to stop the baby killing over there. You are in favor of stopping the baby killing, right? How are you going to stop the killing without any armed troops? Anything is possible--and anything means anything. That includes the best of all possible worlds as well, and I do hope for the best. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links
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Angela Mailander wrote: Soldiers will rape babies and commit other acts of torture and wanton killing. That's not true of every single soldier that ever lived, but it is true of most soldiers regardless of nationality or racial origin. This would have been brought up in the Winter Soldier testimony, right? So, why didn't John Kerry mention it? Can you post any evidence that U.S. soldiers tortured and raped any babies in the Vietnam conflict?
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I won't convince you of the facts of life and war regardless of what evidence I bring to bear on the subject, but I am certain of my facts here. How will you train men to kill without making them brutal? You can easily make ordinary people torture other people in laboratory settings. This has been shown again and again. In war time it is something that just happens routinely. It begins with soldiers going into battle because they fear their own officers more than they fear the enemy, and it ends with soldiers going crazy and killing and raping anything that comes their way. This is the reality of war and everyone who has seen war understands that. I have personally seen a soldier rape a baby. I have also seen a soldier take a baby by the feet and dash its brains out. These kinds of things are normal and routine in a war. --- Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Angela Mailander wrote: Soldiers will rape babies and commit other acts of torture and wanton killing. That's not true of every single soldier that ever lived, but it is true of most soldiers regardless of nationality or racial origin. This would have been brought up in the Winter Soldier testimony, right? So, why didn't John Kerry mention it? Can you post any evidence that U.S. soldiers tortured and raped any babies in the Vietnam conflict? Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
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Angela Mailander wrote: Why is it so difficult to accept this, Willitex? You want to win the war we're in at the moment. Do you think there is a remote chance that this can be done without terrorizing the civilian population? And Willy never defines what winning the war is? Or how you determine that the war has been won? And what exactly is the war anyway? Is it the war to occupy Iraq?
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Well, yeah, there's all that, too. There's no real indication that we actually want to win this one--instead, we want to drag it out as long as possible. And anyway, by some standards, we've already won. We've got the bases and we've got the oil. a --- Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Angela Mailander wrote: Why is it so difficult to accept this, Willitex? You want to win the war we're in at the moment. Do you think there is a remote chance that this can be done without terrorizing the civilian population? And Willy never defines what winning the war is? Or how you determine that the war has been won? And what exactly is the war anyway? Is it the war to occupy Iraq? Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, yeah, there's all that, too. There's no real indication that we actually want to win this one--instead, we want to drag it out as long as possible. And anyway, by some standards, we've already won. We've got the bases and we've got the oil. a Take your pick: Quagmire or middle-east meltdown...most likely be both. PavlovsDog --- Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Angela Mailander wrote: Why is it so difficult to accept this, Willitex? You want to win the war we're in at the moment. Do you think there is a remote chance that this can be done without terrorizing the civilian population? And Willy never defines what winning the war is? Or how you determine that the war has been won? And what exactly is the war anyway? Is it the war to occupy Iraq? Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
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pavvlovs_dog wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, yeah, there's all that, too. There's no real indication that we actually want to win this one--instead, we want to drag it out as long as possible. And anyway, by some standards, we've already won. We've got the bases and we've got the oil. a Take your pick: Quagmire or middle-east meltdown...most likely be both. PavlovsDog Or everyone gets a little nukie. I can imagine gleefully singing Dubya and Cheney singing War is Busting Out All Over to the tune of Spring is Busting Out All Over.
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Aren't we a cheerful bunch!! But it ain't lookin' real good out there, is it? I've heard people make a good argument for the notion that we went to war to keep an economic melt-down at bay. Apparently it's not working. Well, we're overpopulated and so wholesale slaughter is unavoidable to their way of thinking. --- Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: pavvlovs_dog wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, yeah, there's all that, too. There's no real indication that we actually want to win this one--instead, we want to drag it out as long as possible. And anyway, by some standards, we've already won. We've got the bases and we've got the oil. a Take your pick: Quagmire or middle-east meltdown...most likely be both. PavlovsDog Or everyone gets a little nukie. I can imagine gleefully singing Dubya and Cheney singing War is Busting Out All Over to the tune of Spring is Busting Out All Over. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
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Ever have a feeling that you are in a bad science fiction movie and the first act is about to end? Angela Mailander wrote: Aren't we a cheerful bunch!! But it ain't lookin' real good out there, is it? I've heard people make a good argument for the notion that we went to war to keep an economic melt-down at bay. Apparently it's not working. Well, we're overpopulated and so wholesale slaughter is unavoidable to their way of thinking.
