Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity
On 3/26/2014 7:09 AM, emptyb...@yahoo.com wrote: Here is a mantra you can use Mantras found in books or online are not true bija mantras. Bija mantras by definition are given in an initiation. Lists of bija mantras found on the internet are so much non-sense gibberish unless you receive the esoteric instructions from a qualified guru. Maybe it's time to review what we know. Definition of bija mantra: A morpheme or quasi morpheme, or a phoneme, or quasi phoneme, or a series of mixed morphemes, phoneme, qausi morphemes, or quasi phoneme, arranged in traditional patterns, which are imparted by one guru to one chela in the course of diksha.
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Steve, you got me chuckling here first thing in the morning. I think you nailed not only the Indian accent but also some of the phraseology used by people from India. Not to mention the gift that they generally have, the ability to not be offended. On Tuesday, March 25, 2014 11:50 PM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote: Scene: Hindu Temple Somewhere in the US Michael Jackson at the front door looking in, seeing the Hindu Priest: MJ: Hey Hindu Philosopher, Whats Up? Hindu Priest: (in sing song cadence) I dount knoow who you are talking tooo. Are yuu talkingg tooo me? MJ: Yea I'm talking to you. (then looking over at the Shiva lingam) How's that Philosopher's Stone doing? HP: ( Head moving left to right) Duu yuu mean our Holy Shiva Lingam MJ: Yea the Philosopher's Stone HP: Eeet is duing fine, thank you MJ: When do the philosophy students come? HP: Duu yuu mean the congregation? MJ: (then getting ready to bolt out) Yes, I was told that Hinduism is a Philosophy and not a religion HP: That ees fine. If yu are more comfortable calling it a pheelosophee, then that is alright. Noo problem there MJ walks back to his car shaking his head. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : That's how it generally works Michael. When shown to be in error, just double down, or triple down on the error. You have no idea what you're talking about, and so you're trying the baffle with bullshit angle. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : you are both full of it - if you are going to stick to this assertion, try it out - you don't even have to go to India - go to your local Hindu temple, waltz in and tell the priests they are not really priests, they are just philosophers. Tell the worshipers they are not actually worshiping their gods and goddesses, they are just practicing philosophy. People don't generally kill each other over philosophy, but they damn sure do over religion. Muslims get killed in India not because they insult a philosophy but because they have insulted the a religion, or some aspect of the religion. If Hinduism was a philosophy it would be called one rather than one of the worlds MAJOR RELIGIONS - but I guess you two know better than a billion Hindus and 5,000 years or so of a religion's existence. You assertion is one of the most absurd contentions I have seen on FFL and that's saying something. On Wed, 3/26/14, steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, March 26, 2014, 3:30 AM Michael, sometimes it sounds like you just like to hear yourself sound off. And sometimes you sort of look like a jackass. Sorry about that. You see that sometimes when people think they've got it all figured out. Or maybe when an agenda they're so attached to, doesn't leave an opening for any dissenting information. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Alright I tell you what, you go to India with noozguru and get you a soapbox too and loudly proclaim Hinduism is not a religion and see what the adherents of Santana Dharma do to you - you'll be wishin' you had said it to Carlos Santana instead of the followers of the Hindu RELIGION as they are sending off into your next incarnation. On Wed, 3/26/14, steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, March 26, 2014, 2:43 AM You know Michael, things may not always be as black and white as you'd like to make them with regard to Maharishi. Santana Dharma might be more akin to a philosophy than a religion according to many. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San%C4%81tan%C4%AB ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : you are as full of shit as a Christmas goose to say that Hinduism is a philosophy - there are about a billion Hindus who disagree with you. On Tue, 3/25/14, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, March 25, 2014, 4:06 PM So did you get a buzz from the puja? You should and that's probably why you liked it. The buzz would be the increase of shakti which is something not well understood by western science. Another thing we need to remember is that just the word Hindu was a form of ignorance created by invaders of the Indus Valley who could not pronounce a word
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It's a floor wax! No, it's a dessert topping! Michael, Hinduism is far, far too complex and elaborate to insist that it's either one or the other, a religion or a philosophy. It has elements of both. Rather than just screeching at people like a fundamentalist preacher, why don't you ask them why they say it's a philosophy? Who knows, you might learn something. Obviously Michael has NOT been to India. FYI Michael, Indians love to discuss such issues. Plus if you went there and proclaimed that Hinduism is not a religion but a philosophy they would just look at you with what else is new grin. Alright I tell you what, you go to India with noozguru and get you a soapbox too and loudly proclaim Hinduism is not a religion and see what the adherents of Santana Dharma do to you - you'll be wishin' you had said it to Carlos Santana instead of the followers of the Hindu RELIGION as they are sending off into your next incarnation.
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Yes, I did Lol on that! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : It's a floor wax! No, it's a dessert topping! Michael, Hinduism is far, far too complex and elaborate to insist that it's either one or the other, a religion or a philosophy. It has elements of both. Rather than just screeching at people like a fundamentalist preacher, why don't you ask them why they say it's a philosophy? Who knows, you might learn something. Obviously Michael has NOT been to India. FYI Michael, Indians love to discuss such issues. Plus if you went there and proclaimed that Hinduism is not a religion but a philosophy they would just look at you with what else is new grin. Alright I tell you what, you go to India with noozguru and get you a soapbox too and loudly proclaim Hinduism is not a religion and see what the adherents of Santana Dharma do to you - you'll be wishin' you had said it to Carlos Santana instead of the followers of the Hindu RELIGION as they are sending off into your next incarnation.
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you are looking in the mirror as you say that - I know exactly what I am talking about. I don't know what affiliation you and noozguru have had with the TMO but you are displaying the exact same kind of hubris and arrogance the TMO has displayed for nearly 60 years. Oh, I know better than everyone else about the entire world, including the religion of a billion people. I know it better than they do cause of my specialized knowledge from me oh so very special guru. Stay arrogant, as is our tradition. And instead of reviling what I have proposed, take it seriously. Really, go to a Hindu temple just before their worship service and tell them you are there to explain to them how their religion is not a religion. On Wed, 3/26/14, steve.sun...@yahoo.com steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, March 26, 2014, 3:48 AM That's how it generally works Michael. When shown to be in error, just double down, or triple down on the error. You have no idea what you're talking about, and so you're trying the baffle with bullshit angle. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : you are both full of it - if you are going to stick to this assertion, try it out - you don't even have to go to India - go to your local Hindu temple, waltz in and tell the priests they are not really priests, they are just philosophers. Tell the worshipers they are not actually worshiping their gods and goddesses, they are just practicing philosophy. People don't generally kill each other over philosophy, but they damn sure do over religion. Muslims get killed in India not because they insult a philosophy but because they have insulted the a religion, or some aspect of the religion. If Hinduism was a philosophy it would be called one rather than one of the worlds MAJOR RELIGIONS - but I guess you two know better than a billion Hindus and 5,000 years or so of a religion's existence. You assertion is one of the most absurd contentions I have seen on FFL and that's saying something. On Wed, 3/26/14, steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, March 26, 2014, 3:30 AM Michael, sometimes it sounds like you just like to hear yourself sound off. And sometimes you sort of look like a jackass. Sorry about that. You see that sometimes when people think they've got it all figured out. Or maybe when an agenda they're so attached to, doesn't leave an opening for any dissenting information. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Alright I tell you what, you go to India with noozguru and get you a soapbox too and loudly proclaim Hinduism is not a religion and see what the adherents of Santana Dharma do to you - you'll be wishin' you had said it to Carlos Santana instead of the followers of the Hindu RELIGION as they are sending off into your next incarnation. On Wed, 3/26/14, steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, March 26, 2014, 2:43 AM You know Michael, things may not always be as black and white as you'd like to make them with regard to Maharishi. Santana Dharma might be more akin to a philosophy than a religion according to many. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San%C4%81tan%C4%AB ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : you are as full of shit as a Christmas goose to say that Hinduism is a philosophy - there are about a billion Hindus who disagree with you. On Tue, 3/25/14, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, March 25, 2014, 4:06 PM
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go talk to the actual devout practicing Hindus about it and see what they say. I am not talking about people like Ravi who said he had in essence left the religion behind, I am talking about people like his mother and grandmother who insist he go to temple because they really believe he needs the blessings of the gods. It is the height of arrogance to tell others what their religion is. On Wed, 3/26/14, authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, March 26, 2014, 12:32 PM It's a floor wax! No, it's a dessert topping! Michael, Hinduism is far, far too complex and elaborate to insist that it's either one or the other, a religion or a philosophy. It has elements of both. Rather than just screeching at people like a fundamentalist preacher, why don't you ask them why they say it's a philosophy? Who knows, you might learn something. Obviously Michael has NOT been to India. FYI Michael, Indians love to discuss such issues. Plus if you went there and proclaimed that Hinduism is not a religion but a philosophy they would just look at you with what else is new grin. Alright I tell you what, you go to India with noozguru and get you a soapbox too and loudly proclaim Hinduism is not a religion and see what the adherents of Santana Dharma do to you - you'll be wishin' you had said it to Carlos Santana instead of the followers of the Hindu RELIGION as they are sending off into your next incarnation.
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My interpretation of what he said is that the Ramayana can be seen as (among other things) an extended metaphor for how the human nervous system operates, with one-to-one correspondence between various literary/plot elements in the book, and actual aspects of our physical nervous system and how the parts interact. So, from THAT perspective, the battles of the Ramayana can be seen as taking place in our bodies. L
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emptybill, yikes! I need a new mantra! I *accidently* looked up Leopold, etc. since I already knew duh duh and here's what I got. Meanings! * Agehananda Bharati (1923–1992), Hindu monk and Sanskritist, born under the name Leopold Fischer * Leopold Heinrich Fischer (1817–1866), German zoologist and mineralogist * Leo Fischer, sports editorUnless...mayhaps one of these guys likes turmeric on eggs?? On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 7:09 AM, emptyb...@yahoo.com emptyb...@yahoo.com wrote: Here is a mantra you can use with or without Turmeric on your eggs - Leo-pold ... Leo-pold For your advanced technique you add Phisher ... Phisher When you become very advanced you can add Duh, Duh You'llbe claiming lighten-mint in no-time.
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Yes, we have no religion. The trouble with your interpretation is that it sounds like you want to have your cake and eat it. Best of both worlds. Trouble is, it isn't what he means. I read his first book of discoveries and the claim is that vedic literature is present in human physiology. Not a metaphor, actually present. And responsible for. He claims to have a one-to-one correlation between Indian stories and the human body. I bet I could find similar coincidences with, say, the works of Steven King. Just read the section on jyotish, all the planets have a direct connection to parts of the brain, this is offered as an explanation for the physics of astrology but not all the planets are represented because the ancients didn't know about anything beyond the orbit of Saturn due to them not having telescopes. You can go through the whole book like that, it makes no sense and is astoundingly poor science, but it's used as justification for modalities like MVVT and other new age dropsy like yagya's. Believe one and you get an idea of how the rest of it works. Except it doesn't. Obviously, not beyond the expectations of a placebo anyway. And the idea of deities as aspects of natural law sounds unfortunate to me, because the laws of nature are even less likely to change because of prayers than the god's appear to be. This is because they are laws rather than reasonable beings, laws don't change, that's what makes them reliable and stops the universe falling apart. (Note I clicked on the 'show message history' bit so you know what I'm talking about. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : My interpretation of what he said is that the Ramayana can be seen as (among other things) an extended metaphor for how the human nervous system operates, with one-to-one correspondence between various literary/plot elements in the book, and actual aspects of our physical nervous system and how the parts interact. So, from THAT perspective, the battles of the Ramayana can be seen as taking place in our bodies. L
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Share, never mind a mantra. Just focus on this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSmuODeW1fE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSmuODeW1fE ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : emptybill, yikes! I need a new mantra! I *accidently* looked up Leopold, etc. since I already knew duh duh and here's what I got. Meanings! Agehananda Bharati http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agehananda_Bharati (1923–1992), Hindu monk and Sanskritist, born under the name Leopold Fischer Leopold Heinrich Fischer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leopold_Heinrich_Fischer (1817–1866), German zoologist and mineralogist Leo Fischer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leo_Fischer, sports editorUnless...mayhaps one of these guys likes turmeric on eggs?? On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 7:09 AM, emptybill@... emptybill@... wrote: Here is a mantra you can use with or without Turmeric on your eggs - Leo-pold ... Leo-pold For your advanced technique you add Phisher ... Phisher When you become very advanced you can add Duh, Duh You'll be claiming lighten-mint in no-time.
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salyavin, I think you were the one asking about Ganesh. Dr. Nader's insights begin on pg. 341 of his book on Veda and human physiology. Makes me appreciate his genius again. The illustrations clearly show the resemblance to the human brain and even specific parts: the pons, medulla, cerebellum, trigeminal and other nerves. On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 9:59 AM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Yes, we have no religion. The trouble with your interpretation is that it sounds like you want to have your cake and eat it. Best of both worlds. Trouble is, it isn't what he means. I read his first book of discoveries and the claim is that vedic literature is present in human physiology. Not a metaphor, actually present. And responsible for. He claims to have a one-to-one correlation between Indian stories and the human body. I bet I could find similar coincidences with, say, the works of Steven King. Just read the section on jyotish, all the planets have a direct connection to parts of the brain, this is offered as an explanation for the physics of astrology but not all the planets are represented because the ancients didn't know about anything beyond the orbit of Saturn due to them not having telescopes. You can go through the whole book like that, it makes no sense and is astoundingly poor science, but it's used as justification for modalities like MVVT and other new age dropsy like yagya's. Believe one and you get an idea of how the rest of it works. Except it doesn't. Obviously, not beyond the expectations of a placebo anyway. And the idea of deities as aspects of natural law sounds unfortunate to me, because the laws of nature are even less likely to change because of prayers than the god's appear to be. This is because they are laws rather than reasonable beings, laws don't change, that's what makes them reliable and stops the universe falling apart. (Note I clicked on the 'show message history' bit so you know what I'm talking about. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : My interpretation of what he said is that the Ramayana can be seen as (among other things) an extended metaphor for how the human nervous system operates, with one-to-one correspondence between various literary/plot elements in the book, and actual aspects of our physical nervous system and how the parts interact. So, from THAT perspective, the battles of the Ramayana can be seen as taking place in our bodies. L
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On 3/26/2014 9:59 AM, salyavin808 wrote: Believe one and you get an idea of how the rest of it works. So, you believe Barry when he claimed to have witnessed Rama levitate hundreds of times. Unbelievable! And, you want to talk about science? Go figure.
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Michael: Do you not understand the phrase elements of both? Try to engage here with what people are telling you. Otherwise you sound like the most rigid fundamentalist True Believer. This issue isn't cut-and-dried, yes/no, black/white; it's complicated. And it isn't only a TM issue by any means, as Bhairitu just pointed out. True Believers tend to believe in Absolutist terms (either l00% true or 100% false) and they can't tolerate situations in which: a. the truth is unknown; b. the truth is midway between extremes; c. the truth is simply unknowable; or d. variants such as true some of the time, but at other times not true, or true for some people but not others. This sure seems like it describes you. go talk to the actual devout practicing Hindus about it and see what they say. I am not talking about people like Ravi who said he had in essence left the religion behind, I am talking about people like his mother and grandmother who insist he go to temple because they really believe he needs the blessings of the gods. It is the height of arrogance to tell others what their religion is. It's a floor wax! No, it's a dessert topping! Michael, Hinduism is far, far too complex and elaborate to insist that it's either one or the other, a religion or a philosophy. It has elements of both. Rather than just screeching at people like a fundamentalist preacher, why don't you ask them why they say it's a philosophy? Who knows, you might learn something. Obviously Michael has NOT been to India. FYI Michael, Indians love to discuss such issues. Plus if you went there and proclaimed that Hinduism is not a religion but a philosophy they would just look at you with what else is new grin. Alright I tell you what, you go to India with noozguru and get you a soapbox too and loudly proclaim Hinduism is not a religion and see what the adherents of Santana Dharma do to you - you'll be wishin' you had said it to Carlos Santana instead of the followers of the Hindu RELIGION as they are sending off into your next incarnation.
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Share, I have always wondered about how the human brain resembles cauliflower. Think of how much Vedic knowledge could be mined from that vegetable. Title: Veda and Brassica oleracea. I think that would appeal to vegetarians, as unlike the brain, it is not made of meat. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : salyavin, I think you were the one asking about Ganesh. Dr. Nader's insights begin on pg. 341 of his book on Veda and human physiology. Makes me appreciate his genius again. The illustrations clearly show the resemblance to the human brain and even specific parts: the pons, medulla, cerebellum, trigeminal and other nerves. On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 9:59 AM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Yes, we have no religion. The trouble with your interpretation is that it sounds like you want to have your cake and eat it. Best of both worlds. Trouble is, it isn't what he means. I read his first book of discoveries and the claim is that vedic literature is present in human physiology. Not a metaphor, actually present. And responsible for. He claims to have a one-to-one correlation between Indian stories and the human body. I bet I could find similar coincidences with, say, the works of Steven King. Just read the section on jyotish, all the planets have a direct connection to parts of the brain, this is offered as an explanation for the physics of astrology but not all the planets are represented because the ancients didn't know about anything beyond the orbit of Saturn due to them not having telescopes. You can go through the whole book like that, it makes no sense and is astoundingly poor science, but it's used as justification for modalities like MVVT and other new age dropsy like yagya's. Believe one and you get an idea of how the rest of it works. Except it doesn't. Obviously, not beyond the expectations of a placebo anyway. And the idea of deities as aspects of natural law sounds unfortunate to me, because the laws of nature are even less likely to change because of prayers than the god's appear to be. This is because they are laws rather than reasonable beings, laws don't change, that's what makes them reliable and stops the universe falling apart. (Note I clicked on the 'show message history' bit so you know what I'm talking about. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : My interpretation of what he said is that the Ramayana can be seen as (among other things) an extended metaphor for how the human nervous system operates, with one-to-one correspondence between various literary/plot elements in the book, and actual aspects of our physical nervous system and how the parts interact. So, from THAT perspective, the battles of the Ramayana can be seen as taking place in our bodies. L
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Well, Xeno, Ganesh looks pretty meaty too so there you are! On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 11:30 AM, anartax...@yahoo.com anartax...@yahoo.com wrote: Share, I have always wondered about how the human brain resembles cauliflower. Think of how much Vedic knowledge could be mined from that vegetable. Title: Veda and Brassica oleracea. I think that would appeal to vegetarians, as unlike the brain, it is not made of meat. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : salyavin, I think you were the one asking about Ganesh. Dr. Nader's insights begin on pg. 341 of his book on Veda and human physiology. Makes me appreciate his genius again. The illustrations clearly show the resemblance to the human brain and even specific parts: the pons, medulla, cerebellum, trigeminal and other nerves. On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 9:59 AM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Yes, we have no religion. The trouble with your interpretation is that it sounds like you want to have your cake and eat it. Best of both worlds. Trouble is, it isn't what he means. I read his first book of discoveries and the claim is that vedic literature is present in human physiology. Not a metaphor, actually present. And responsible for. He claims to have a one-to-one correlation between Indian stories and the human body. I bet I could find similar coincidences with, say, the works of Steven King. Just read the section on jyotish, all the planets have a direct connection to parts of the brain, this is offered as an explanation for the physics of astrology but not all the planets are represented because the ancients didn't know about anything beyond the orbit of Saturn due to them not having telescopes. You can go through the whole book like that, it makes no sense and is astoundingly poor science, but it's used as justification for modalities like MVVT and other new age dropsy like yagya's. Believe one and you get an idea of how the rest of it works. Except it doesn't. Obviously, not beyond the expectations of a placebo anyway. And the idea of deities as aspects of natural law sounds unfortunate to me, because the laws of nature are even less likely to change because of prayers than the god's appear to be. This is because they are laws rather than reasonable beings, laws don't change, that's what makes them reliable and stops the universe falling apart. (Note I clicked on the 'show message history' bit so you know what I'm talking about. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : My interpretation of what he said is that the Ramayana can be seen as (among other things) an extended metaphor for how the human nervous system operates, with one-to-one correspondence between various literary/plot elements in the book, and actual aspects of our physical nervous system and how the parts interact. So, from THAT perspective, the battles of the Ramayana can be seen as taking place in our bodies. L
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On the second phase of my TTC they served lots of cauliflower. We had cauliflower pakoras (actually quite good), cauliflower spaghetti, etc, etc. By the time the course was over folks were sick of cauliflower. Wonder if many of them ever ate it again? :-D Regarding Ganesh, he is associated with wisdom. Hence Ganesh mantras like Om Gung Ganeshaya Namaha are powerful anti-kapha mantras which will help clear the head. On 03/26/2014 09:30 AM, anartax...@yahoo.com wrote: Share, I have always wondered about how the human brain resembles cauliflower. Think of how much Vedic knowledge could be mined from that vegetable. Title: Veda and Brassica oleracea. I think that would appeal to vegetarians, as unlike the brain, it is not made of meat. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : salyavin, I think you were the one asking about Ganesh. Dr. Nader's insights begin on pg. 341 of his book on Veda and human physiology. Makes me appreciate his genius again. The illustrations clearly show the resemblance to the human brain and even specific parts: the pons, medulla, cerebellum, trigeminal and other nerves. On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 9:59 AM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Yes, we have no religion. The trouble with your interpretation is that it sounds like you want to have your cake and eat it. Best of both worlds. Trouble is, it isn't what he means. I read his first book of discoveries and the claim is that vedic literature is present in human physiology. Not a metaphor, actually present. And responsible for. He claims to have a one-to-one correlation between Indian stories and the human body. I bet I could find similar coincidences with, say, the works of Steven King. Just read the section on jyotish, all the planets have a direct connection to parts of the brain, this is offered as an explanation for the physics of astrology but not all the planets are represented because the ancients didn't know about anything beyond the orbit of Saturn due to them not having telescopes. You can go through the whole book like that, it makes no sense and is astoundingly poor science, but it's used as justification for modalities like MVVT and other new age dropsy like yagya's. Believe one and you get an idea of how the rest of it works. Except it doesn't. Obviously, not beyond the expectations of a placebo anyway. And the idea of deities as aspects of natural law sounds unfortunate to me, because the laws of nature are even less likely to change because of prayers than the god's appear to be. This is because they are laws rather than reasonable beings, laws don't change, that's what makes them reliable and stops the universe falling apart. (Note I clicked on the 'show message history' bit so you know what I'm talking about. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : My interpretation of what he said is that the Ramayana can be seen as (among other things) an extended metaphor for how the human nervous system operates, with one-to-one correspondence between various literary/plot elements in the book, and actual aspects of our physical nervous system and how the parts interact. So, from THAT perspective, the battles of the Ramayana can be seen as taking place in our bodies. L
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You call them insights, I prefer hopeful coincidences. I remember the Ganesh illustration and thought the brain looks more like a cauliflower. To say it's an insight would mean it had some sort of profound meaning, he is claiming an awful lot for this. For instance, chanting sections of the ved is supposed to affect the part of the body where it resides. And it's supposed to affect it because of it's relationship with what is claimed to be a fundamental part of the universe - the ved itself. This ved is creating us. Apparently. On a related note, I heard the ved while meditating once. Or rather experienced it, it was long before I'd heard of the concept or been to any TM courses or lectures so it came as a complete, and mindblowing, surprise to suddenly have a nice meddy interrupted by the opening up of a vast, nay infinite, inner space and this loud, omnipresent humming noise. Only lasted a second but it made me jump out of my skin and I nearly fell off my chair. To most people that would be a confirmation of King Tony's ideas, but not me. I get very wary when unrepeated experiences are held up to be something amazing like that. I have no idea what happened really but my rationalist instincts suspect it's just something the nervous system does at certain times that got incorporated into, or started the huge mythos we all know and love. After discussing it with our local raja I was also told to go on Purusha where experiences like that could stabilise and I'd become a rishi myself! Couldn't be bothered though, all those weird guys. Weirder than me some of them ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : salyavin, I think you were the one asking about Ganesh. Dr. Nader's insights begin on pg. 341 of his book on Veda and human physiology. Makes me appreciate his genius again. The illustrations clearly show the resemblance to the human brain and even specific parts: the pons, medulla, cerebellum, trigeminal and other nerves. On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 9:59 AM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Yes, we have no religion. The trouble with your interpretation is that it sounds like you want to have your cake and eat it. Best of both worlds. Trouble is, it isn't what he means. I read his first book of discoveries and the claim is that vedic literature is present in human physiology. Not a metaphor, actually present. And responsible for. He claims to have a one-to-one correlation between Indian stories and the human body. I bet I could find similar coincidences with, say, the works of Steven King. Just read the section on jyotish, all the planets have a direct connection to parts of the brain, this is offered as an explanation for the physics of astrology but not all the planets are represented because the ancients didn't know about anything beyond the orbit of Saturn due to them not having telescopes. You can go through the whole book like that, it makes no sense and is astoundingly poor science, but it's used as justification for modalities like MVVT and other new age dropsy like yagya's. Believe one and you get an idea of how the rest of it works. Except it doesn't. Obviously, not beyond the expectations of a placebo anyway. And the idea of deities as aspects of natural law sounds unfortunate to me, because the laws of nature are even less likely to change because of prayers than the god's appear to be. This is because they are laws rather than reasonable beings, laws don't change, that's what makes them reliable and stops the universe falling apart. (Note I clicked on the 'show message history' bit so you know what I'm talking about. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : My interpretation of what he said is that the Ramayana can be seen as (among other things) an extended metaphor for how the human nervous system operates, with one-to-one correspondence between various literary/plot elements in the book, and actual aspects of our physical nervous system and how the parts interact. So, from THAT perspective, the battles of the Ramayana can be seen as taking place in our bodies. L
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Salyavin, for the sake of brevity, I only mentioned one example. There are lots more. Then it begins to look like more than just a coincidence. So you don't believe in vibration or resonance?! In the simplest terms that's all that's being claimed and recommended. But I'm with you about Purusha. Though for me it would be Mother Divine. I love the relative and that's that! On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 12:12 PM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: You call them insights, I prefer hopeful coincidences. I remember the Ganesh illustration and thought the brain looks more like a cauliflower. To say it's an insight would mean it had some sort of profound meaning, he is claiming an awful lot for this. For instance, chanting sections of the ved is supposed to affect the part of the body where it resides. And it's supposed to affect it because of it's relationship with what is claimed to be a fundamental part of the universe - the ved itself. This ved is creating us. Apparently. On a related note, I heard the ved while meditating once. Or rather experienced it, it was long before I'd heard of the concept or been to any TM courses or lectures so it came as a complete, and mindblowing, surprise to suddenly have a nice meddy interrupted by the opening up of a vast, nay infinite, inner space and this loud, omnipresent humming noise. Only lasted a second but it made me jump out of my skin and I nearly fell off my chair. To most people that would be a confirmation of King Tony's ideas, but not me. I get very wary when unrepeated experiences are held up to be something amazing like that. I have no idea what happened really but my rationalist instincts suspect it's just something the nervous system does at certain times that got incorporated into, or started the huge mythos we all know and love. After discussing it with our local raja I was also told to go on Purusha where experiences like that could stabilise and I'd become a rishi myself! Couldn't be bothered though, all those weird guys. Weirder than me some of them ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : salyavin, I think you were the one asking about Ganesh. Dr. Nader's insights begin on pg. 341 of his book on Veda and human physiology. Makes me appreciate his genius again. The illustrations clearly show the resemblance to the human brain and even specific parts: the pons, medulla, cerebellum, trigeminal and other nerves. On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 9:59 AM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Yes, we have no religion. The trouble with your interpretation is that it sounds like you want to have your cake and eat it. Best of both worlds. Trouble is, it isn't what he means. I read his first book of discoveries and the claim is that vedic literature is present in human physiology. Not a metaphor, actually present. And responsible for. He claims to have a one-to-one correlation between Indian stories and the human body. I bet I could find similar coincidences with, say, the works of Steven King. Just read the section on jyotish, all the planets have a direct connection to parts of the brain, this is offered as an explanation for the physics of astrology but not all the planets are represented because the ancients didn't know about anything beyond the orbit of Saturn due to them not having telescopes. You can go through the whole book like that, it makes no sense and is astoundingly poor science, but it's used as justification for modalities like MVVT and other new age dropsy like yagya's. Believe one and you get an idea of how the rest of it works. Except it doesn't. Obviously, not beyond the expectations of a placebo anyway. And the idea of deities as aspects of natural law sounds unfortunate to me, because the laws of nature are even less likely to change because of prayers than the god's appear to be. This is because they are laws rather than reasonable beings, laws don't change, that's what makes them reliable and stops the universe falling apart. (Note I clicked on the 'show message history' bit so you know what I'm talking about. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : My interpretation of what he said is that the Ramayana can be seen as (among other things) an extended metaphor for how the human nervous system operates, with one-to-one correspondence between various literary/plot elements in the book, and actual aspects of our physical nervous system and how the parts interact. So, from THAT perspective, the battles of the Ramayana can be seen as taking place in our bodies. L
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You aren't an authority on Hinduism, but you know for a fact that a billion Hindus agree with you? You aren't an authority on Hinduism, but you know exactly what you're talking about? Oopsie. Michael, you're really crashing and burning here, making it all too clear how closed your mind is to any ideas that aren't perfectly in accord with yours. You won't even open your mind far enough to find out why people are telling you something you're convinced isn't true. You've decided nobody here can possibly know any more than you do about the nature of Hinduism. Yet you say you aren't an authority on Hinduism--and you don't see the contradiction. You were seriously mistaken to claim the idea that Hinduism is a philosophy comes only from MMY. Is there anything else you could possibly, conceivably be mistaken about? You're smarter than you're making yourself look. You're stuck in some kind of blind spot that doesn't reflect well on you at all. You, noozgu and auth all get together, go to Hindu temple, tell them their religion is not a religion - then come here and yap. I am not the authority on Hinduism, ask a Hindu priest. 1 billion Hindus agree with me. On Wed, 3/26/14, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, March 26, 2014, 1:22 PM Michael, Michael, Michael, are just completely blind. Here you are arguing, I am the authority, listen to me, and that is what you are accusing me of doing. I believe that fallacy is called, appeal to authority. Now someone just pointed out that there is a rather large spectrum of belief, but you are, as if, touching one part of the elephant and declaring it to be the final word. hooboy. Is a mirror handy? Oh, and thanks for the mandatory tie in to TM bashing. No post of yours would be complete without it. Love ya though. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : you are looking in the mirror as you say that - I know exactly what I am talking about. I don't know what affiliation you and noozguru have had with the TMO but you are displaying the exact same kind of hubris and arrogance the TMO has displayed for nearly 60 years. Oh, I know better than everyone else about the entire world, including the religion of a billion people. I know it better than they do cause of my specialized knowledge from me oh so very special guru. Stay arrogant, as is our tradition. And instead of reviling what I have proposed, take it seriously. Really, go to a Hindu temple just before their worship service and tell them you are there to explain to them how their religion is not a religion. On Wed, 3/26/14, steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, March 26, 2014, 3:48 AM That's how it generally works Michael. When shown to be in error, just double down, or triple down on the error. You have no idea what you're talking about, and so you're trying the baffle with bullshit angle. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : you are both full of it - if you are going to stick to this assertion, try it out - you don't even have to go to India - go to your local Hindu temple, waltz in and tell the priests they are not really priests, they are just philosophers. Tell the worshipers they are not actually worshiping their gods and goddesses, they are just practicing philosophy. People don't generally kill each other over philosophy, but they damn sure do over religion. Muslims get killed in India not because they insult a philosophy but because they have insulted the a religion, or some aspect of the religion. If Hinduism was a philosophy it would be called one rather than one of the worlds MAJOR RELIGIONS - but I guess you two know better than a billion Hindus and 5,000 years or so of a religion's existence. You assertion is one of the most absurd contentions I have seen on FFL and that's saying something.
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On 3/26/2014 7:09 AM, emptyb...@yahoo.com wrote: Here is a mantra you can use with or without Turmeric on your eggs - Leo-pold ... Leo-pold For your advanced technique you add Phisher ... Phisher When you become very advanced you can add Duh, Duh You'llbe claiming lighten-mint in no-time. So, you don't speak any Tibetan, Rampa. 'Fictitious Tibet: The Origin and Persistence of Rampaism' by Agehananda Bharati http://aryasangha.org/rampaism1.htm
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Ha, noozguru, at least it wasn't millet morning, noon and night! On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 11:56 AM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote: On the second phase of my TTC they served lots of cauliflower. We had cauliflower pakoras (actually quite good), cauliflower spaghetti, etc, etc. By the time the course was over folks were sick of cauliflower. Wonder if many of them ever ate it again? :-D Regarding Ganesh, he is associated with wisdom. Hence Ganesh mantras like Om Gung Ganeshaya Namaha are powerful anti-kapha mantras which will help clear the head. On 03/26/2014 09:30 AM, anartax...@yahoo.com wrote: Share, I have always wondered about how the human brain resembles cauliflower. Think of how much Vedic knowledge could be mined from that vegetable. Title: Veda and Brassica oleracea. I think that would appeal to vegetarians, as unlike the brain, it is not made of meat. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : salyavin, I think you were the one asking about Ganesh. Dr. Nader's insights begin on pg. 341 of his book on Veda and human physiology. Makes me appreciate his genius again. The illustrations clearly show the resemblance to the human brain and even specific parts: the pons, medulla, cerebellum, trigeminal and other nerves. On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 9:59 AM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Yes, we have no religion. The trouble with your interpretation is that it sounds like you want to have your cake and eat it. Best of both worlds. Trouble is, it isn't what he means. I read his first book of discoveries and the claim is that vedic literature is present in human physiology. Not a metaphor, actually present. And responsible for. He claims to have a one-to-one correlation between Indian stories and the human body. I bet I could find similar coincidences with, say, the works of Steven King. Just read the section on jyotish, all the planets have a direct connection to parts of the brain, this is offered as an explanation for the physics of astrology but not all the planets are represented because the ancients didn't know about anything beyond the orbit of Saturn due to them not having telescopes. You can go through the whole book like that, it makes no sense and is astoundingly poor science, but it's used as justification for modalities like MVVT and other new age dropsy like yagya's. Believe one and you get an idea of how the rest of it works. Except it doesn't. Obviously, not beyond the expectations of a placebo anyway. And the idea of deities as aspects of natural law sounds unfortunate to me, because the laws of nature are even less likely to change because of prayers than the god's appear to be. This is because they are laws rather than reasonable beings, laws don't change, that's what makes them reliable and stops the universe falling apart. (Note I clicked on the 'show message history' bit so you know what I'm talking about. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : My interpretation of what he said is that the Ramayana can be seen as (among other things) an extended metaphor for how the human nervous system operates, with one-to-one correspondence between various literary/plot elements in the book, and actual aspects of our physical nervous system and how the parts interact. So, from THAT perspective, the battles of the Ramayana can be seen as taking place in our bodies. L
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I just didn't think the elephant/brain was a very convincing idea but it was the best in the book which is why everyone uses it as the first example, I don't think much of King Tony's ideas at all. If I'm going to read a book on human physiology I'll get one that's full of fascinating facts about the brain and what it does, there are tons of those. Wild speculation about Indian literature leaves me cold! Would depend what you mean by vibration and resonance I suppose. Things vibrate for sure but is there an actual connection between things in my brain and a poem someone wrote 1500 years ago? I like my science empirical you see and the claim that the universe is fundamentally subjective or made out of consciousness makes no sense to me. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, for the sake of brevity, I only mentioned one example. There are lots more. Then it begins to look like more than just a coincidence. So you don't believe in vibration or resonance?! In the simplest terms that's all that's being claimed and recommended. But I'm with you about Purusha. Though for me it would be Mother Divine. I love the relative and that's that! On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 12:12 PM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: You call them insights, I prefer hopeful coincidences. I remember the Ganesh illustration and thought the brain looks more like a cauliflower. To say it's an insight would mean it had some sort of profound meaning, he is claiming an awful lot for this. For instance, chanting sections of the ved is supposed to affect the part of the body where it resides. And it's supposed to affect it because of it's relationship with what is claimed to be a fundamental part of the universe - the ved itself. This ved is creating us. Apparently. On a related note, I heard the ved while meditating once. Or rather experienced it, it was long before I'd heard of the concept or been to any TM courses or lectures so it came as a complete, and mindblowing, surprise to suddenly have a nice meddy interrupted by the opening up of a vast, nay infinite, inner space and this loud, omnipresent humming noise. Only lasted a second but it made me jump out of my skin and I nearly fell off my chair. To most people that would be a confirmation of King Tony's ideas, but not me. I get very wary when unrepeated experiences are held up to be something amazing like that. I have no idea what happened really but my rationalist instincts suspect it's just something the nervous system does at certain times that got incorporated into, or started the huge mythos we all know and love. After discussing it with our local raja I was also told to go on Purusha where experiences like that could stabilise and I'd become a rishi myself! Couldn't be bothered though, all those weird guys. Weirder than me some of them ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : salyavin, I think you were the one asking about Ganesh. Dr. Nader's insights begin on pg. 341 of his book on Veda and human physiology. Makes me appreciate his genius again. The illustrations clearly show the resemblance to the human brain and even specific parts: the pons, medulla, cerebellum, trigeminal and other nerves. On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 9:59 AM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Yes, we have no religion. The trouble with your interpretation is that it sounds like you want to have your cake and eat it. Best of both worlds. Trouble is, it isn't what he means. I read his first book of discoveries and the claim is that vedic literature is present in human physiology. Not a metaphor, actually present. And responsible for. He claims to have a one-to-one correlation between Indian stories and the human body. I bet I could find similar coincidences with, say, the works of Steven King. Just read the section on jyotish, all the planets have a direct connection to parts of the brain, this is offered as an explanation for the physics of astrology but not all the planets are represented because the ancients didn't know about anything beyond the orbit of Saturn due to them not having telescopes. You can go through the whole book like that, it makes no sense and is astoundingly poor science, but it's used as justification for modalities like MVVT and other new age dropsy like yagya's. Believe one and you get an idea of how the rest of it works. Except it doesn't. Obviously, not beyond the expectations of a placebo anyway. And the idea of deities as aspects of natural law sounds unfortunate to me, because the laws of nature are even less likely to change because of prayers than the god's appear to be. This is because they are laws rather than reasonable beings, laws don't change, that's what makes them reliable and stops the universe falling apart. (Note I clicked on the 'show message history' bit so you know
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Okey, dokey salyavin, but you were the one who was wondering about Ganesh. Go figure! Why wouldn't there be a connection between your brain and an old poem?! Do you only get something from contemporary poets? Nothing from Shakespeare either? On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 12:55 PM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: I just didn't think the elephant/brain was a very convincing idea but it was the best in the book which is why everyone uses it as the first example, I don't think much of King Tony's ideas at all. If I'm going to read a book on human physiology I'll get one that's full of fascinating facts about the brain and what it does, there are tons of those. Wild speculation about Indian literature leaves me cold! Would depend what you mean by vibration and resonance I suppose. Things vibrate for sure but is there an actual connection between things in my brain and a poem someone wrote 1500 years ago? I like my science empirical you see and the claim that the universe is fundamentally subjective or made out of consciousness makes no sense to me. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, for the sake of brevity, I only mentioned one example. There are lots more. Then it begins to look like more than just a coincidence. So you don't believe in vibration or resonance?! In the simplest terms that's all that's being claimed and recommended. But I'm with you about Purusha. Though for me it would be Mother Divine. I love the relative and that's that! On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 12:12 PM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: You call them insights, I prefer hopeful coincidences. I remember the Ganesh illustration and thought the brain looks more like a cauliflower. To say it's an insight would mean it had some sort of profound meaning, he is claiming an awful lot for this. For instance, chanting sections of the ved is supposed to affect the part of the body where it resides. And it's supposed to affect it because of it's relationship with what is claimed to be a fundamental part of the universe - the ved itself. This ved is creating us. Apparently. On a related note, I heard the ved while meditating once. Or rather experienced it, it was long before I'd heard of the concept or been to any TM courses or lectures so it came as a complete, and mindblowing, surprise to suddenly have a nice meddy interrupted by the opening up of a vast, nay infinite, inner space and this loud, omnipresent humming noise. Only lasted a second but it made me jump out of my skin and I nearly fell off my chair. To most people that would be a confirmation of King Tony's ideas, but not me. I get very wary when unrepeated experiences are held up to be something amazing like that. I have no idea what happened really but my rationalist instincts suspect it's just something the nervous system does at certain times that got incorporated into, or started the huge mythos we all know and love. After discussing it with our local raja I was also told to go on Purusha where experiences like that could stabilise and I'd become a rishi myself! Couldn't be bothered though, all those weird guys. Weirder than me some of them ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : salyavin, I think you were the one asking about Ganesh. Dr. Nader's insights begin on pg. 341 of his book on Veda and human physiology. Makes me appreciate his genius again. The illustrations clearly show the resemblance to the human brain and even specific parts: the pons, medulla, cerebellum, trigeminal and other nerves. On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 9:59 AM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Yes, we have no religion. The trouble with your interpretation is that it sounds like you want to have your cake and eat it. Best of both worlds. Trouble is, it isn't what he means. I read his first book of discoveries and the claim is that vedic literature is present in human physiology. Not a metaphor, actually present. And responsible for. He claims to have a one-to-one correlation between Indian stories and the human body. I bet I could find similar coincidences with, say, the works of Steven King. Just read the section on jyotish, all the planets have a direct connection to parts of the brain, this is offered as an explanation for the physics of astrology but not all the planets are represented because the ancients didn't know about anything beyond the orbit of Saturn due to them not having telescopes. You can go through the whole book like that, it makes no sense and is astoundingly poor science, but it's used as justification for modalities like MVVT and other new age dropsy like yagya's. Believe one and you get an idea of how the rest of it works. Except it doesn't. Obviously, not beyond the expectations of a placebo anyway. And the idea of deities as aspects of natural law sounds unfortunate to me, because the laws of
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On 3/25/2014 10:48 PM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote: That's how it generally works Michael. When shown to be in error, just double down, or triple down on the error. Or if that fails, use some human tragedy in order to prove that TM is the cause of all out problems and then blame some poor Hindu pundit boys from India for not preventing it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : you are both full of it - if you are going to stick to this assertion, try it out - you don't even have to go to India - go to your local Hindu temple
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On 3/25/2014 10:30 PM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote: Or maybe when an agenda they're so attached to, doesn't leave an opening for any dissenting information. Sometimes this happens when someone get fired from their job and kicked off the campus, so they don't want to talk about why they are so disgruntled. It's probably normal to be upset when that happens, but it is strange for someone to be that upset after twenty years. You'd think they would get over it or go for therapy with a trained social worker like John Knapp. Go figure.
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On 3/25/2014 9:36 PM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote: Yes, I believe in the concept of enlightenment. The belief in the enlightenment tradition means that you believe in the *perfectibility* of mankind. The doctrine was first advanced by Buddha and later by Rousseau and others, that people are capable of achieving perfection on earth through natural means, without the grace of God.
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Actually, I don't think it was me wondering about Ganesh in the first place! I love Shakespeare actually and a lot of Modern stuff. I'm a big fan of Betjeman, archetypal Englishman you see. I just don't think we are talking about the same thing when you say connection King Tony's idea is that Indian vedic poems are fundamental to the brain and body, not just present but giving rise to them. I don't get it, something to do with rishi devata and chandas no doubt, but it's all gobbledygook to me. Here's a jolly little number about spring for you: John Betjeman - Loneliness The last year's leaves are on the beech: The twigs are black; the cold is dry; To deeps beyond the deepest reach The Easter bells enlarge the sky. O ordered metal clatter-clang! Is yours the song the angels sang? You fill my heart with joy and grief - Belief! Belief! And unbelief... And, though you tell me I shall die, You say not how or when or why. Indifferent the finches sing, Unheeding roll the lorries past: What misery will this year bring Now spring is in the air at last? For, sure as blackthorn bursts to snow, Cancer in some of us will grow, The tasteful crematorium door Shuts out for some the furnace roar; But church-bells open on the blast Our loneliness, so long and vast. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Okey, dokey salyavin, but you were the one who was wondering about Ganesh. Go figure! Why wouldn't there be a connection between your brain and an old poem?! Do you only get something from contemporary poets? Nothing from Shakespeare either? On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 12:55 PM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: I just didn't think the elephant/brain was a very convincing idea but it was the best in the book which is why everyone uses it as the first example, I don't think much of King Tony's ideas at all. If I'm going to read a book on human physiology I'll get one that's full of fascinating facts about the brain and what it does, there are tons of those. Wild speculation about Indian literature leaves me cold! Would depend what you mean by vibration and resonance I suppose. Things vibrate for sure but is there an actual connection between things in my brain and a poem someone wrote 1500 years ago? I like my science empirical you see and the claim that the universe is fundamentally subjective or made out of consciousness makes no sense to me. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, for the sake of brevity, I only mentioned one example. There are lots more. Then it begins to look like more than just a coincidence. So you don't believe in vibration or resonance?! In the simplest terms that's all that's being claimed and recommended. But I'm with you about Purusha. Though for me it would be Mother Divine. I love the relative and that's that! On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 12:12 PM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: You call them insights, I prefer hopeful coincidences. I remember the Ganesh illustration and thought the brain looks more like a cauliflower. To say it's an insight would mean it had some sort of profound meaning, he is claiming an awful lot for this. For instance, chanting sections of the ved is supposed to affect the part of the body where it resides. And it's supposed to affect it because of it's relationship with what is claimed to be a fundamental part of the universe - the ved itself. This ved is creating us. Apparently. On a related note, I heard the ved while meditating once. Or rather experienced it, it was long before I'd heard of the concept or been to any TM courses or lectures so it came as a complete, and mindblowing, surprise to suddenly have a nice meddy interrupted by the opening up of a vast, nay infinite, inner space and this loud, omnipresent humming noise. Only lasted a second but it made me jump out of my skin and I nearly fell off my chair. To most people that would be a confirmation of King Tony's ideas, but not me. I get very wary when unrepeated experiences are held up to be something amazing like that. I have no idea what happened really but my rationalist instincts suspect it's just something the nervous system does at certain times that got incorporated into, or started the huge mythos we all know and love. After discussing it with our local raja I was also told to go on Purusha where experiences like that could stabilise and I'd become a rishi myself! Couldn't be bothered though, all those weird guys. Weirder than me some of them ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : salyavin, I think you were the one asking about Ganesh. Dr. Nader's insights begin on pg. 341 of his book on Veda and human physiology. Makes me appreciate his genius again. The illustrations clearly show the resemblance to the human brain and even specific parts: the pons, medulla, cerebellum,
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Ah, salyavin, we have a crematorium theme going... The Ganesh comment I think was made as a joke. On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 1:45 PM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Actually, I don't think it was me wondering about Ganesh in the first place! I love Shakespeare actually and a lot of Modern stuff. I'm a big fan of Betjeman, archetypal Englishman you see. I just don't think we are talking about the same thing when you say connection King Tony's idea is that Indian vedic poems are fundamental to the brain and body, not just present but giving rise to them. I don't get it, something to do with rishi devata and chandas no doubt, but it's all gobbledygook to me. Here's a jolly little number about spring for you: John Betjeman - Loneliness The last year's leaves are on the beech: The twigs are black; the cold is dry; To deeps beyond the deepest reach The Easter bells enlarge the sky. O ordered metal clatter-clang! Is yours the song the angels sang? You fill my heart with joy and grief - Belief! Belief! And unbelief... And, though you tell me I shall die, You say not how or when or why. Indifferent the finches sing, Unheeding roll the lorries past: What misery will this year bring Now spring is in the air at last? For, sure as blackthorn bursts to snow, Cancer in some of us will grow, The tasteful crematorium door Shuts out for some the furnace roar; But church-bells open on the blast Our loneliness, so long and vast. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Okey, dokey salyavin, but you were the one who was wondering about Ganesh. Go figure! Why wouldn't there be a connection between your brain and an old poem?! Do you only get something from contemporary poets? Nothing from Shakespeare either? On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 12:55 PM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: I just didn't think the elephant/brain was a very convincing idea but it was the best in the book which is why everyone uses it as the first example, I don't think much of King Tony's ideas at all. If I'm going to read a book on human physiology I'll get one that's full of fascinating facts about the brain and what it does, there are tons of those. Wild speculation about Indian literature leaves me cold! Would depend what you mean by vibration and resonance I suppose. Things vibrate for sure but is there an actual connection between things in my brain and a poem someone wrote 1500 years ago? I like my science empirical you see and the claim that the universe is fundamentally subjective or made out of consciousness makes no sense to me. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, for the sake of brevity, I only mentioned one example. There are lots more. Then it begins to look like more than just a coincidence. So you don't believe in vibration or resonance?! In the simplest terms that's all that's being claimed and recommended. But I'm with you about Purusha. Though for me it would be Mother Divine. I love the relative and that's that! On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 12:12 PM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: You call them insights, I prefer hopeful coincidences. I remember the Ganesh illustration and thought the brain looks more like a cauliflower. To say it's an insight would mean it had some sort of profound meaning, he is claiming an awful lot for this. For instance, chanting sections of the ved is supposed to affect the part of the body where it resides. And it's supposed to affect it because of it's relationship with what is claimed to be a fundamental part of the universe - the ved itself. This ved is creating us. Apparently. On a related note, I heard the ved while meditating once. Or rather experienced it, it was long before I'd heard of the concept or been to any TM courses or lectures so it came as a complete, and mindblowing, surprise to suddenly have a nice meddy interrupted by the opening up of a vast, nay infinite, inner space and this loud, omnipresent humming noise. Only lasted a second but it made me jump out of my skin and I nearly fell off my chair. To most people that would be a confirmation of King Tony's ideas, but not me. I get very wary when unrepeated experiences are held up to be something amazing like that. I have no idea what happened really but my rationalist instincts suspect it's just something the nervous system does at certain times that got incorporated into, or started the huge mythos we all know and love. After discussing it with our local raja I was also told to go on Purusha where experiences like that could stabilise and I'd become a rishi myself! Couldn't be bothered though, all those weird guys. Weirder than me some of them ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : salyavin, I think you were the one asking about Ganesh. Dr. Nader's insights begin on pg. 341 of his book on Veda and human physiology. Makes me
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On 3/25/2014 7:08 PM, Bhairitu wrote: Ever been to India, Michael? There is a nice small Hindu Temple in Columbia, SC.
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On 3/25/2014 6:37 PM, Michael Jackson wrote: Fly to India, choose any large city, go to the area where the Hindus eat their lunches, stand up on a soapbox and say loudly Hinduism is not a religion, it is a philosophy! MJ - I think J. Krishnamurti did this already to rather large audiences. Many of his talks and discussions have been published. His last public talk was in Madras, India, in January 1986, a month before his death at his home in Ojai, California. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jiddu_Krishnamurti
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Thus Ann proclaimeth from on high. Which is the third grade, I guess: ...It certainly is a refreshing change from the schoolyard drivel and second grade insults being hurled back and forth on this site lately. On Tuesday, March 25, 2014 8:46 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... wrote : Recently I have read here on FFL an argument professed by former TM’ers who stopped practicing because they claimed they were deceived about the meaning of mantras. Their fundamental claim is that a mantra is the name of a Hindu god. The claim is that a mantra, by definition, encapsulates a method for worshiping a Hindu god but that this fact is withheld from practitioners. Within the domain of this argument, these claimants will often quote some text from a Hindu Tantra. These quotes are passages usually assigning a particular deity to a particular mantra and sometimes even assigning a set of deities to each of the Sanskrit letters composing the written forms of the mantra’s sound. This textual assignment is often done quite haphazardly but occasionally is done in the Vedic format of rishi-deva-chhanda. Along with the quoted Tantric text is sometimes a quoted statement by MMY, declaring that a mantra is a sound whose effect is known. This argument quotes the TMO claim that a mantra is used in TM for the beneficial effects it produces in causing the spontaneous refinement of perception. This explanation is then paraded as an example of shameful exploitation of Western ignorance of the Hindu foundation of TM and of any other Indian meditation that does not confess itself as a form of Hindu devotionalism. This devotionalist criticism is further paraded around by pointing to various Indian swamis and cross-eyed yogis who make these claims and arguments themselves. Here are some considerations about these claims: SBS taught in India. MMY began teaching in India before coming to the West. They both taught within the context of the Indian Hindu cultural model. Although they taught in India, where there are many Muslims, they did not present their teaching within a Muslim cultural model. Although Buddhism is from India and many Indians consider Buddha as one of their own, neither SBS nor MMY taught within a Buddhist cultural model. Rather, they taught within the cultural context of their listeners. After coming to the West, MMY continued speaking and teaching within the Indian cultural model - for a while. It was the teaching model established by Vivekananda and Paramahansa Yogananda – partly religious, partly philosophical and partly yogic. However, the cultural context of this form of teachings was the 19th and 20th century paradigm of Western Modernity. When MMY realized the limitations brought by this model and the limitations of religious language here in the West he took a left turn. That divergence left some of his teachers behind - Charlie Lutts being an example. This is one reason that pointing to early religious language by MMY or SBS is an inaccurate over-simplification. As far as the “it is all a deceit” claimants, the two groups that are the most antagonist and strident are the materialists and the religionists. Materialists claim mantras are the mumbo formulas of hindoo gods and that the concept of gods/god is a false idea propounded by power brokers to enslave the masses. This is a truncated Marxist view popular among the half-educated. Contrary to this, the fundamentalist religions claim that mantras are secret demonic traps devised to enslave us to hindoo devils. This is the view of true-believing adherents of the Abrahamic religions – Jews, Christians and Muslims. This is not some fundamentalist diatribe from TV evangelicals. This was the original view of Christians from the second century C.E. forward and was used as an ideological propellant for killing polytheists after Constantine’s ascent to Roman power. What is obvious is that both groups are unable to rationally consider the facts because they are ideologues entrenched in a priori conclusions. One example of this is a clear demarcation about the difference between yoga and religion. Materialists dismiss such an idea because yoga historically emerged within in a Hindu cultural context. Semitic monotheists condemn this idea for the same reason. If we consider the role of yoga, it is apparent that most meditating Westerners are functionally ignorant about the nature, range, depth and complexity of yoga lineages - whether Vedic, Hindu, Buddhist or Jain. Most of them do not know the difference between Vedic, Puranic and Tantric lineages of practice. They also do not understand how these three streams developed and then intertwined into Hindu temple rites. They don't know vidhi from vedi.* (*vidhi is a specific method of puja. Vedi is the altar used in yajña. ) Even more surprising, most swamis and imported yogis are not Pandits, Indologists, or Sanskritists.
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it is a very nicely written post unfortunately incorrect - M lied about the mantras and their use along with a million other things. That's reality. On Tue, 3/25/14, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, March 25, 2014, 1:46 PM ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... wrote : Recently I have read here on FFL an argument professed by former TM’ers who stopped practicing because they claimed they were deceived about the meaning of mantras. Their fundamental claim is that a mantra is the name of a Hindu god. The claim is that a mantra, by definition, encapsulates a method for worshiping a Hindu god but that this fact is withheld from practitioners. Within the domain of this argument, these claimants will often quote some text from a Hindu Tantra. These quotes are passages usually assigning a particular deity to a particular mantra and sometimes even assigning a set of deities to each of the Sanskrit letters composing the written forms of the mantra’s sound. This textual assignment is often done quite haphazardly but occasionally is done in the Vedic format of rishi-deva-chhanda.Along with the quoted Tantric text is sometimes a quoted statement by MMY, declaring that a mantra is a sound whose effect is known. This argument quotes the TMO claim that a mantra is used in TM for the beneficial effects it produces in causing the spontaneous refinement of perception. This explanation is then paraded as an example of shameful exploitation of Western ignorance of the Hindu foundation of TM and of any other Indian meditation that does not confess itself as a form of Hindu devotionalism. This devotionalist criticism is further paraded around by pointing to various Indian swamis and cross-eyed yogis who make these claims and arguments themselves.Here are some considerations about these claims:SBS taught in India. MMY began teaching in India before coming to the West. They both taught within the context of the Indian Hindu cultural model. Although they taught in India, where there are many Muslims, they did not present their teaching within a Muslim cultural model. Although Buddhism is from India and many Indians consider Buddha as one of their own, neither SBS nor MMY taught within a Buddhist cultural model. Rather, they taught within the cultural context of their listeners.After coming to the West, MMY continued speaking and teaching within the Indian cultural model - for a while. It was the teaching model established by Vivekananda and Paramahansa Yogananda – partly religious, partly philosophical and partly yogic. However, the cultural context of this form of teachings was the 19th and 20th century paradigm of Western Modernity. When MMY realized the limitations brought by this model and the limitations of religious language here in the West he took a left turn. That divergence left some of his teachers behind - Charlie Lutts being an example.This is one reason that pointing to early religious language by MMY or SBS is an inaccurate over-simplification. As far as the “it is all a deceit” claimants, the two groups that are the most antagonist and strident are the materialists and the religionists. Materialists claim mantras are the mumbo formulas of hindoo gods and that the concept of gods/god is a false idea propounded by power brokers to enslave the masses. This is a truncated Marxist view popular among the half-educated.Contrary to this, the fundamentalist religions claim that mantras are secret demonic traps devised to enslave us to hindoo devils. This is the view of true-believing adherents of the Abrahamic religions – Jews, Christians and Muslims. This is not some fundamentalist diatribe from TV evangelicals. This was the original view of Christians from the second century C.E. forward and was used as an ideological propellant for killing polytheists after Constantine’s ascent to Roman power. What is obvious is that both groups are unable to rationally consider the facts because they are ideologues entrenched in a priori conclusions. One example of this is a clear demarcation about the difference between yoga and religion. Materialists dismiss such an idea because yoga historically emerged within in a Hindu cultural context. Semitic monotheists condemn this idea for the same reason. If we consider the role of yoga, it is apparent that most meditating Westerners are functionally ignorant about the nature, range, depth and complexity of yoga lineages - whether Vedic, Hindu, Buddhist or Jain. Most of them do not know the difference between Vedic, Puranic and Tantric lineages of practice. They also do
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Two things: Are you joking about Nader saying the Ramayana battles are being fought in our bodies??? OR is that what he really says? The reason for the mantra debate is some just can't accept they were hoodwinked by marshy no matter how good the practice felt - for me self, its another example of his deceit. On Tue, 3/25/14, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, March 25, 2014, 3:07 PM No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity? Hmmm, seems like that's the sort of thing meditation was designed for. Is it too late for a refund? I don't know why you people get so upset at a few inconvenient facts. I'm an athiest and I loved the puja, all that bowing and singing and incense, just like some sort of religious thing but not a religious thing because it was all in foreign and quite enjoyable anyway, so why would it matter? Unless you are some sort of religious person who has what they are allowed to do proscribed by someone else, but who would admit to that? As the TM teacher said: if you like ceremonies it's a nice one. If you don't, it's a short one. And besides, I wanted to get my hands on the enlightenment and the supernatural powers the book promised, so I would have sat through a hymn service at the local church. Almost. Anyhoo's, I don't remember any god doing anything for me lately so I conclude that the origin of mantras is irrelevant, and also about as irrelevant as other TMO teachings I had plowed into me like the fact that most of classical Indian literature happens to be present in my body in some, unspecified, way. Which seems to me about as religious a statement as you could possibly make. Coincidentally, you can cure people of any health problem at all by chanting the relevant section of something called the ved at the unwell part of the body in another undoubtably secular (and not cheap) ceremony in order to redress the balance. According to the latest discoveries of Maharaja Raja Raam (Tony to his friends) the reason we get ill in the first place is because the battles of the Ramayana are being fought out in our bodies. Astounding. Order me an obviously secular yagya immediately! But mantras I don't care about. I mean, obviously they come from some hindu or pre-hindu teaching, all this stuff does and all this stuff is ancient. The question is, why would that be a surprise to anybody? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... wrote : Recently I have read here on FFL an argument professed by former TM’ers who stopped practicing because they claimed they were deceived about the meaning of mantras. I don't believe anyone has stopped for that reason. Usually they quit because they don't think like it or don't think it has enough reward for the time invested. Some people seem to take to it like ducks to water and become full of flashy experiences and evangelical zeal, I know I did. Go figure.
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So did you get a buzz from the puja? You should and that's probably why you liked it. The buzz would be the increase of shakti which is something not well understood by western science. Another thing we need to remember is that just the word Hindu was a form of ignorance created by invaders of the Indus Valley who could not pronounce a word starting with I so they put an H in front. Sort of of a joke. And Hinduism just like MMY said, is indeed a philosophy just like Buddhism and not a religion. The invaders also thought the practices constituted a religion. And truly there are some Indians who practice it religiously. :-D On 03/25/2014 08:07 AM, salyavin808 wrote: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity? Hmmm, seems like that's the sort of thing meditation was designed for. Is it too late for a refund? I don't know why you people get so upset at a few inconvenient facts. I'm an athiest and I loved the puja, all that bowing and singing and incense, just like some sort of religious thing but not a religious thing because it was all in foreign and quite enjoyable anyway, so why would it matter? Unless you are some sort of religious person who has what they are allowed to do proscribed by someone else, but who would admit to that? As the TM teacher said: if you like ceremonies it's a nice one. If you don't, it's a short one. And besides, I wanted to get my hands on the enlightenment and the supernatural powers the book promised, so I would have sat through a hymn service at the local church. Almost. Anyhoo's, I don't remember any god doing anything for me lately so I conclude that the origin of mantras is irrelevant, and also about as irrelevant as other TMO teachings I had plowed into me like the fact that most of classical Indian literature happens to be present in my body in some, unspecified, way. Which seems to me about as religious a statement as you could /possibly/ make. Coincidentally, you can cure people of any health problem at all by chanting the relevant section of something called the ved at the unwell part of the body in another undoubtably secular (and not cheap) ceremony in order to redress the balance. According to the latest discoveries of Maharaja Raja Raam (Tony to his friends) the reason we get ill in the first place is because the battles of the Ramayana are being fought out in our bodies. Astounding. Order me an obviously secular yagya immediately! But mantras I don't care about. I mean, /obviously /they come from some hindu or pre-hindu teaching, all this stuff does and all this stuff is ancient. The question is, why would that be a surprise to anybody? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... wrote : Recently I have read here on FFL an argument professed by former TM’ers who stopped practicing because they claimed they were deceived about the meaning of mantras. I don't believe anyone has stopped for that reason. Usually they quit because they don't think like it or don't think it has enough reward for the time invested. Some people seem to take to it like ducks to water and become full of flashy experiences and evangelical zeal, I know I did. Go figure.
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Checked in to see what was going on at FFL today and low and behold, it's the
mantra meaning debate!
I've posted this before some years back but for me it was settled once and for
all back in 1976 when I received my 4th advanced technique. I was waiting in
line to see MMY when the guy in front of me, a friend of mine, said ask him
the meaning, he'll tell you.
MMY gave me the new variation of my mantra (it was now Sri Aing Namah Namah)
and I quietly said what is the meaning? MMY said Glorious Saraswati I bow
down to you again and again. {pause} Do not dwell.
At the time I was totally thrilled since I LOVED the idea of worshipping the
goddess Saraswati. It was only much later that I began to think about the fact
that I had been telling all of my students that they were meaningless sounds.
Many years later, when the mantra tables were revealed, it was easy to
decipher the meaning of all of them.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Two things: Are you joking about Nader saying the Ramayana battles are being fought in our bodies??? OR is that what he really says? That's what he said at a recent lecture in London, it's from his new book Ramayana in human physiology I don't understand any of it, from his first book of discoveries onwards. The whole idea makes my skin crawl with discomfort as it's probably the least likely explanation of anything in the natural world I have yet come across. Completely bonkers in fact, but once you accept it it does open the way to justifying everything else in the catalogue, which is handy.. ...but they probably do actually believe it - I know loads of people who think he's great. Go figure, I can't. The reason for the mantra debate is some just can't accept they were hoodwinked by marshy no matter how good the practice felt - for me self, its another example of his deceit. On Tue, 3/25/14, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, March 25, 2014, 3:07 PM
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Isn't it fascinating how the same old arguments come up, followed by the same
old justifications and apologetics, over and over and over and over and over
and over?
And the people running the cult apologetics number seem to be completely
unaware that they have *patterns* that define their behavior, patterns that
allow anyone who has been watching for some time to predict those patterns in
advance. For example, knowing that the pandit riots would cause the TBs here
to freak out and thus jumpstart another round of their completely predictable
behaviors, I described them *beforehand* in the following post:
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/377151
How many of the posts made by Judy, Jim, and Ann in the time since fall into
one or more of the six categories I defined in that post? How many posts have
any of them made that *don't* fall into these six categories?
From: geezerfr...@yahoo.com geezerfr...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 5:20 PM
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stupidity
Checked in to see what was going on at FFL today and low and behold, it's the
mantra meaning debate!
I've posted this before some years back but for me it was settled once and for
all back in 1976 when I received my 4th advanced technique. I was waiting in
line to see MMY when the guy in front of me, a friend of mine, said ask him
the meaning, he'll tell you.
MMY gave me the new variation of my mantra (it was now Sri Aing Namah Namah)
and I quietly said what is the meaning? MMY said Glorious Saraswati I bow
down to you again and again. {pause} Do not dwell.
At the time I was totally thrilled since I LOVED the idea of worshipping the
goddess Saraswati. It was only much later that I began to think about the fact
that I had been telling all of my students that they were meaningless sounds.
Many years later, when the mantra tables were revealed, it was easy to decipher
the meaning of all of them.
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you are as full of shit as a Christmas goose to say that Hinduism is a philosophy - there are about a billion Hindus who disagree with you. On Tue, 3/25/14, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, March 25, 2014, 4:06 PM So did you get a buzz from the puja? You should and that's probably why you liked it. The buzz would be the increase of shakti which is something not well understood by western science. Another thing we need to remember is that just the word Hindu was a form of ignorance created by invaders of the Indus Valley who could not pronounce a word starting with I so they put an H in front. Sort of of a joke. And Hinduism just like MMY said, is indeed a philosophy just like Buddhism and not a religion. The invaders also thought the practices constituted a religion. And truly there are some Indians who practice it religiously. :-D On 03/25/2014 08:07 AM, salyavin808 wrote: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity? Hmmm, seems like that's the sort of thing meditation was designed for. Is it too late for a refund? I don't know why you people get so upset at a few inconvenient facts. I'm an athiest and I loved the puja, all that bowing and singing and incense, just like some sort of religious thing but not a religious thing because it was all in foreign and quite enjoyable anyway, so why would it matter? Unless you are some sort of religious person who has what they are allowed to do proscribed by someone else, but who would admit to that? As the TM teacher said: if you like ceremonies it's a nice one. If you don't, it's a short one. And besides, I wanted to get my hands on the enlightenment and the supernatural powers the book promised, so I would have sat through a hymn service at the local church. Almost. Anyhoo's, I don't remember any god doing anything for me lately so I conclude that the origin of mantras is irrelevant, and also about as irrelevant as other TMO teachings I had plowed into me like the fact that most of classical Indian literature happens to be present in my body in some, unspecified, way. Which seems to me about as religious a statement as you could possibly make. Coincidentally, you can cure people of any health problem at all by chanting the relevant section of something called the ved at the unwell part of the body in another undoubtably secular (and not cheap) ceremony in order to redress the balance. According to the latest discoveries of Maharaja Raja Raam (Tony to his friends) the reason we get ill in the first place is because the battles of the Ramayana are being fought out in our bodies. Astounding. Order me an obviously secular yagya immediately! But mantras I don't care about. I mean, obviously they come from some hindu or pre-hindu teaching, all this stuff does and all this stuff is ancient. The question is, why would that be a surprise to anybody? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... wrote : Recently I have read here on FFL an argument professed by former TM’ers who stopped practicing because they claimed they were deceived about the meaning of mantras. I don't believe anyone has stopped for that reason. Usually they quit because they don't think like it or don't think it has enough reward for the time invested. Some
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity
Well said, thank you and end of debate.
On Tue, 3/25/14, geezerfr...@yahoo.com geezerfr...@yahoo.com wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant
stupidity
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, March 25, 2014, 4:20 PM
Checked in to see what was going on at FFL today
and low and behold, it's the mantra meaning
debate!
I've posted this before some years back but
for me it was settled once and for all back in 1976 when I
received my 4th advanced technique. I was
waiting in line to see MMY when the guy in front of me, a
friend of mine, said ask him the meaning, he'll
tell you.
MMY gave me the new variation of my mantra (it
was now Sri Aing Namah Namah) and I quietly said what
is the meaning? MMY said Glorious Saraswati I
bow down to you again and again. {pause} Do not
dwell.
At the time I was totally thrilled since I LOVED
the idea of worshipping the goddess Saraswati. It was only
much later that I began to think about the fact that I had
been telling all of my students that they were meaningless
sounds.Many years later, when the mantra tables
were revealed, it was easy to decipher the meaning of all of
them.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity
Actually, nobody freaked out over the pandit riot (singular, not plural,
BTW) except the TM critics. Barry in particular completely lost his cool and is
still fulminating hysterically while the rest of us have moved on to other
topics. What we're seeing here is Barry's pattern. Old Predictable, we call
him.
Isn't it fascinating how the same old arguments come up, followed by the same
old justifications and apologetics, over and over and over and over and over
and over?
And the people running the cult apologetics number seem to be completely
unaware that they have *patterns* that define their behavior, patterns that
allow anyone who has been watching for some time to predict those patterns in
advance. For example, knowing that the pandit riots would cause the TBs here
to freak out and thus jumpstart another round of their completely predictable
behaviors, I described them *beforehand* in the following post:
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/377151
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/377151
How many of the posts made by Judy, Jim, and Ann in the time since fall into
one or more of the six categories I defined in that post? How many posts have
any of them made that *don't* fall into these six categories?
From: geezerfreak@... geezerfreak@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 5:20 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant
stupidity
Checked in to see what was going on at FFL today and low and behold, it's
the mantra meaning debate!
I've posted this before some years back but for me it was settled once and for
all back in 1976 when I received my 4th advanced technique. I was waiting in
line to see MMY when the guy in front of me, a friend of mine, said ask him
the meaning, he'll tell you.
MMY gave me the new variation of my mantra (it was now Sri Aing Namah Namah)
and I quietly said what is the meaning? MMY said Glorious Saraswati I bow
down to you again and again. {pause} Do not dwell.
At the time I was totally thrilled since I LOVED the idea of worshipping the
goddess Saraswati. It was only much later that I began to think about the fact
that I had been telling all of my students that they were meaningless sounds.
Many years later, when the mantra tables were revealed, it was easy to
decipher the meaning of all of them.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity
I didn't get a buzz from the puja, I enjoyed the chanting and the exotic unexpectedness of it though and getting the mantra at the end was clever, it worked straight away too. I was hooked from day one - regardless of the etymology of the terms ;-) I think you'll have a job getting the aspects of natural law excuse past the fundies though, a blue elephant worshipped by Hindu's is still a blue elephant no matter what you call it ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : So did you get a buzz from the puja? You should and that's probably why you liked it. The buzz would be the increase of shakti which is something not well understood by western science. Another thing we need to remember is that just the word Hindu was a form of ignorance created by invaders of the Indus Valley who could not pronounce a word starting with I so they put an H in front. Sort of of a joke. And Hinduism just like MMY said, is indeed a philosophy just like Buddhism and not a religion. The invaders also thought the practices constituted a religion. And truly there are some Indians who practice it religiously. :-D On 03/25/2014 08:07 AM, salyavin808 wrote: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity? Hmmm, seems like that's the sort of thing meditation was designed for. Is it too late for a refund? I don't know why you people get so upset at a few inconvenient facts. I'm an athiest and I loved the puja, all that bowing and singing and incense, just like some sort of religious thing but not a religious thing because it was all in foreign and quite enjoyable anyway, so why would it matter? Unless you are some sort of religious person who has what they are allowed to do proscribed by someone else, but who would admit to that? As the TM teacher said: if you like ceremonies it's a nice one. If you don't, it's a short one. And besides, I wanted to get my hands on the enlightenment and the supernatural powers the book promised, so I would have sat through a hymn service at the local church. Almost. Anyhoo's, I don't remember any god doing anything for me lately so I conclude that the origin of mantras is irrelevant, and also about as irrelevant as other TMO teachings I had plowed into me like the fact that most of classical Indian literature happens to be present in my body in some, unspecified, way. Which seems to me about as religious a statement as you could possibly make. Coincidentally, you can cure people of any health problem at all by chanting the relevant section of something called the ved at the unwell part of the body in another undoubtably secular (and not cheap) ceremony in order to redress the balance. According to the latest discoveries of Maharaja Raja Raam (Tony to his friends) the reason we get ill in the first place is because the battles of the Ramayana are being fought out in our bodies. Astounding. Order me an obviously secular yagya immediately! But mantras I don't care about. I mean, obviously they come from some hindu or pre-hindu teaching, all this stuff does and all this stuff is ancient. The question is, why would that be a surprise to anybody? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... mailto:emptybill@... wrote : Recently I have read here on FFL an argument professed by former TM’ers who stopped practicing because they claimed they were deceived about the meaning of mantras. I don't believe anyone has stopped for that reason. Usually they quit because they don't think like it or don't think it has enough reward for the time invested. Some people seem to take to it like ducks to water and become full of flashy experiences and evangelical zeal, I know I did. Go figure.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity
Yep, they may have meaning to some but in this practice don't use that and they
are not used that way. Evidently from the Master, “don't dwell on it” as in
don't use it that way. Therefore TM is not religious. Yes, end of argument,
-Buck
mjackson74 writes,
Well said, thank you and end of debate.
geezerfreak mailto:geezerfreak@... writes,
Do not
dwell.
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant
stupidity
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, March 25, 2014, 4:20 PM
Checked in to see what was going on at FFL today
and low and behold, it's the mantra meaning
debate!
I've posted this before some years back but
for me it was settled once and for all back in 1976 when I
received my 4th advanced technique. I was
waiting in line to see MMY when the guy in front of me, a
friend of mine, said ask him the meaning, he'll
tell you.
MMY gave me the new variation of my mantra (it
was now Sri Aing Namah Namah) and I quietly said what
is the meaning? MMY said Glorious Saraswati I
bow down to you again and again. {pause} Do not
dwell.
At the time I was totally thrilled since I LOVED
the idea of worshipping the goddess Saraswati. It was only
much later that I began to think about the fact that I had
been telling all of my students that they were meaningless
sounds.Many years later, when the mantra tables
were revealed, it was easy to decipher the meaning of all of
them.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :
Well said, thank you and end of debate.
You must be new here
On Tue, 3/25/14, geezerfreak@... mailto:geezerfreak@... geezerfreak@...
mailto:geezerfreak@... wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant
stupidity
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, March 25, 2014, 4:20 PM
Checked in to see what was going on at FFL today
and low and behold, it's the mantra meaning
debate!
I've posted this before some years back but
for me it was settled once and for all back in 1976 when I
received my 4th advanced technique. I was
waiting in line to see MMY when the guy in front of me, a
friend of mine, said ask him the meaning, he'll
tell you.
MMY gave me the new variation of my mantra (it
was now Sri Aing Namah Namah) and I quietly said what
is the meaning? MMY said Glorious Saraswati I
bow down to you again and again. {pause} Do not
dwell.
At the time I was totally thrilled since I LOVED
the idea of worshipping the goddess Saraswati. It was only
much later that I began to think about the fact that I had
been telling all of my students that they were meaningless
sounds.Many years later, when the mantra tables
were revealed, it was easy to decipher the meaning of all of
them.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity
Gotta agree with Salyavin here -- no buzz whatsoever. I instructed hundreds of people, and thus did hundreds of pujas, and never felt a damned thing. I'm convinced that the buzz thing is mood-making and the placebo effect. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 6:17 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity I didn't get a buzz from the puja, I enjoyed the chanting and the exotic unexpectedness of it though and getting the mantra at the end was clever, it worked straight away too. I was hooked from day one - regardless of the etymology of the terms ;-) I think you'll have a job getting the aspects of natural law excuse past the fundies though, a blue elephant worshipped by Hindu's is still a blue elephant no matter what you call it ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : So did you get a buzz from the puja? You should and that's probably why you liked it. The buzz would be the increase of shakti which is something not well understood by western science. Another thing we need to remember is that just the word Hindu was a form of ignorance created by invaders of the Indus Valley who could not pronounce a word starting with I so they put an H in front. Sort of of a joke. And Hinduism just like MMY said, is indeed a philosophy just like Buddhism and not a religion. The invaders also thought the practices constituted a religion. And truly there are some Indians who practice it religiously. :-D On 03/25/2014 08:07 AM, salyavin808 wrote: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity? Hmmm, seems like that's the sort of thing meditation was designed for. Is it too late for a refund? I don't know why you people get so upset at a few inconvenient facts. I'm an athiest and I loved the puja, all that bowing and singing and incense, just like some sort of religious thing but not a religious thing because it was all in foreign and quite enjoyable anyway, so why would it matter? Unless you are some sort of religious person who has what they are allowed to do proscribed by someone else, but who would admit to that? As the TM teacher said: if you like ceremonies it's a nice one. If you don't, it's a short one. And besides, I wanted to get my hands on the enlightenment and the supernatural powers the book promised, so I would have sat through a hymn service at the local church. Almost. Anyhoo's, I don't remember any god doing anything for me lately so I conclude that the origin of mantras is irrelevant, and also about as irrelevant as other TMO teachings I had plowed into me like the fact that most of classical Indian literature happens to be present in my body in some, unspecified, way. Which seems to me about as religious a statement as you could possibly make. Coincidentally, you can cure people of any health problem at all by chanting the relevant section of something called the ved at the unwell part of the body in another undoubtably secular (and not cheap) ceremony in order to redress the balance. According to the latest discoveries of Maharaja Raja Raam (Tony to his friends) the reason we get ill in the first place is because the battles of the Ramayana are being fought out in our bodies. Astounding. Order me an obviously secular yagya immediately! But mantras I don't care about. I mean, obviously they come from some hindu or pre-hindu teaching, all this stuff does and all this stuff is ancient. The question is, why would that be a surprise to anybody? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... wrote : Recently I have read here on FFL an argument professed by former TM’ers who stopped practicing because they claimed they were deceived about the meaning of mantras. I don't believe anyone has stopped for that reason. Usually they quit because they don't think like it or don't think it has enough reward for the time invested. Some people seem to take to it like ducks to water and become full of flashy experiences and evangelical zeal, I know I did. Go figure.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity
Ok, salyavin, that got me laughing out loud, thanks...
On Tuesday, March 25, 2014 12:19 PM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
wrote:
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :
Well said, thank you and end of debate.
You must be new here
On Tue, 3/25/14, geezerfreak@... geezerfreak@... wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant
stupidity
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, March 25, 2014, 4:20 PM
Checked in to see what was going on at FFL today
and low and behold, it's the mantra meaning
debate!
I've posted this before some years back but
for me it was settled once and for all back in 1976 when I
received my 4th advanced technique. I was
waiting in line to see MMY when the guy in front of me, a
friend of mine, said ask him the meaning, he'll
tell you.
MMY gave me the new variation of my mantra (it
was now Sri Aing Namah Namah) and I quietly said what
is the meaning? MMY said Glorious Saraswati I
bow down to you again and again. {pause} Do not
dwell.
At the time I was totally thrilled since I LOVED
the idea of worshipping the goddess Saraswati. It was only
much later that I began to think about the fact that I had
been telling all of my students that they were meaningless
sounds.Many years later, when the mantra tables
were revealed, it was easy to decipher the meaning of all of
them.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity
What Maharishi told you, Geeze, was the association between the bija mantra and
Saraswati. The bija itself is still a semantically meaningless sound (unlike
the Sanskrit words that comprise the advanced techniques, which do have
semantic meanings).
FWIW, I've been on residence courses in which the teachers were asked directly
whether the mantras were the names of Hindu gods. In both cases the teacher
willingly explained that in Hinduism, the bija mantras were associated with
Hindu deities, whereas in TM we drew no such association but simply entertained
the bija as a meaningless sound.
Checked in to see what was going on at FFL today and low and behold, it's the
mantra meaning debate!
I've posted this before some years back but for me it was settled once and for
all back in 1976 when I received my 4th advanced technique. I was waiting in
line to see MMY when the guy in front of me, a friend of mine, said ask him
the meaning, he'll tell you.
MMY gave me the new variation of my mantra (it was now Sri Aing Namah Namah)
and I quietly said what is the meaning? MMY said Glorious Saraswati I bow
down to you again and again. {pause} Do not dwell.
At the time I was totally thrilled since I LOVED the idea of worshipping the
goddess Saraswati. It was only much later that I began to think about the fact
that I had been telling all of my students that they were meaningless sounds.
Many years later, when the mantra tables were revealed, it was easy to
decipher the meaning of all of them.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 6:18 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Well said, thank you and end of debate. You must be new here Hilarious. Especially coming just after Buck's classic apologetics reply to geezer's. :-) Yep, they may have meaning to some but in this practice don't use that and they are not used that way. Evidently from the Master, “don't dwell on it” as in don't use it that way. Therefore TM is not religious. Yes, end of argument, -Buck
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity
Point #4:
* Nitpick them into arguing with you. Any nitpick will do, but the best
is some kind of semantic nitpick about one or two words in something
they posted that doesn't really have anything to do with the criticism
you're trying to D-E-F-L-E-C-T. If you can get them -- or other posters
-- all involved in a meaningless nitpick side argument that has nothing
to do with the original criticism, they aren't involved in the
criticism. You've won.
From: authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 6:29 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant
stupidity
What Maharishi told you, Geeze, was the association between the bija mantra and
Saraswati. The bija itself is still a semantically meaningless sound (unlike
the Sanskrit words that comprise the advanced techniques, which do have
semantic meanings).
FWIW, I've been on residence courses in which the teachers were asked directly
whether the mantras were the names of Hindu gods. In both cases the teacher
willingly explained that in Hinduism, the bija mantras were associated with
Hindu deities, whereas in TM we drew no such association but simply entertained
the bija as a meaningless sound.
Checked in to see what was going on at FFL today and low and behold, it's the
mantra meaning debate!
I've posted this before some years back but for me it was settled once and for
all back in 1976 when I received my 4th advanced technique. I was waiting in
line to see MMY when the guy in front of me, a friend of mine, said ask him
the meaning, he'll tell you.
MMY gave me the new variation of my mantra (it was now Sri Aing Namah Namah)
and I quietly said what is the meaning? MMY said Glorious Saraswati I bow
down to you again and again. {pause} Do not dwell.
At the time I was totally thrilled since I LOVED the idea of worshipping the
goddess Saraswati. It was only much later that I began to think about the fact
that I had been telling all of my students that they were meaningless sounds.
Many years later, when the mantra tables were revealed, it was easy to decipher
the meaning of all of them.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity
Can't do much about those who wish to remain ignorant. On 03/25/2014 09:54 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: you are as full of shit as a Christmas goose to say that Hinduism is a philosophy - there are about a billion Hindus who disagree with you. On Tue, 3/25/14, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, March 25, 2014, 4:06 PM So did you get a buzz from the puja? You should and that's probably why you liked it. The buzz would be the increase of shakti which is something not well understood by western science. Another thing we need to remember is that just the word Hindu was a form of ignorance created by invaders of the Indus Valley who could not pronounce a word starting with I so they put an H in front. Sort of of a joke. And Hinduism just like MMY said, is indeed a philosophy just like Buddhism and not a religion. The invaders also thought the practices constituted a religion. And truly there are some Indians who practice it religiously. :-D On 03/25/2014 08:07 AM, salyavin808 wrote: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity? Hmmm, seems like that's the sort of thing meditation was designed for. Is it too late for a refund? I don't know why you people get so upset at a few inconvenient facts. I'm an athiest and I loved the puja, all that bowing and singing and incense, just like some sort of religious thing but not a religious thing because it was all in foreign and quite enjoyable anyway, so why would it matter? Unless you are some sort of religious person who has what they are allowed to do proscribed by someone else, but who would admit to that? As the TM teacher said: if you like ceremonies it's a nice one. If you don't, it's a short one. And besides, I wanted to get my hands on the enlightenment and the supernatural powers the book promised, so I would have sat through a hymn service at the local church. Almost. Anyhoo's, I don't remember any god doing anything for me lately so I conclude that the origin of mantras is irrelevant, and also about as irrelevant as other TMO teachings I had plowed into me like the fact that most of classical Indian literature happens to be present in my body in some, unspecified, way. Which seems to me about as religious a statement as you could possibly make. Coincidentally, you can cure people of any health problem at all by chanting the relevant section of something called the ved at the unwell part of the body in another undoubtably secular (and not cheap) ceremony in order to redress the balance. According to the latest discoveries of Maharaja Raja Raam (Tony to his friends) the reason we get ill in the first place is because the battles of the Ramayana are being fought out in our bodies. Astounding. Order me an obviously secular yagya immediately! But mantras I don't care about. I mean, obviously they come from some hindu or pre-hindu teaching, all this stuff does and all this stuff is ancient. The question is, why would that be a surprise to anybody? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... wrote : Recently I have read here on FFL an argument professed by former TM’ers who stopped practicing because they claimed they were deceived about the meaning of mantras. I don't believe anyone has stopped for that reason. Usually they quit because they don't think like it or don't think it has enough reward for the time invested. Some people seem to take to it like ducks to water and become full of flashy experiences and evangelical zeal, I know I did. Go figure.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity
Convincing the fundies is a useless cause. I'm not going waste my time on them. And a trip to India would open a lot of eyes since they are otherwise experiencing an elephant like a blind man. BTW, what does the blue elephant symbolize? ;-) On 03/25/2014 10:17 AM, salyavin808 wrote: I didn't get a buzz from the puja, I enjoyed the chanting and the exotic unexpectedness of it though and getting the mantra at the end was clever, it worked straight away too. I was hooked from day one - regardless of the etymology of the terms ;-) I think you'll have a job getting the aspects of natural law excuse past the fundies though, a blue elephant worshipped by Hindu's is still a blue elephant no matter what you call it ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : So did you get a buzz from the puja? You should and that's probably why you liked it. The buzz would be the increase of shakti which is something not well understood by western science. Another thing we need to remember is that just the word Hindu was a form of ignorance created by invaders of the Indus Valley who could not pronounce a word starting with I so they put an H in front. Sort of of a joke. And Hinduism just like MMY said, is indeed a philosophy just like Buddhism and not a religion. The invaders also thought the practices constituted a religion. And truly there are some Indians who practice it religiously. :-D On 03/25/2014 08:07 AM, salyavin808 wrote: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity? Hmmm, seems like that's the sort of thing meditation was designed for. Is it too late for a refund? I don't know why you people get so upset at a few inconvenient facts. I'm an athiest and I loved the puja, all that bowing and singing and incense, just like some sort of religious thing but not a religious thing because it was all in foreign and quite enjoyable anyway, so why would it matter? Unless you are some sort of religious person who has what they are allowed to do proscribed by someone else, but who would admit to that? As the TM teacher said: if you like ceremonies it's a nice one. If you don't, it's a short one. And besides, I wanted to get my hands on the enlightenment and the supernatural powers the book promised, so I would have sat through a hymn service at the local church. Almost. Anyhoo's, I don't remember any god doing anything for me lately so I conclude that the origin of mantras is irrelevant, and also about as irrelevant as other TMO teachings I had plowed into me like the fact that most of classical Indian literature happens to be present in my body in some, unspecified, way. Which seems to me about as religious a statement as you could /possibly/ make. Coincidentally, you can cure people of any health problem at all by chanting the relevant section of something called the ved at the unwell part of the body in another undoubtably secular (and not cheap) ceremony in order to redress the balance. According to the latest discoveries of Maharaja Raja Raam (Tony to his friends) the reason we get ill in the first place is because the battles of the Ramayana are being fought out in our bodies. Astounding. Order me an obviously secular yagya immediately! But mantras I don't care about. I mean, /obviously /they come from some hindu or pre-hindu teaching, all this stuff does and all this stuff is ancient. The question is, why would that be a surprise to anybody? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... mailto:emptybill@... wrote : Recently I have read here on FFL an argument professed by former TM’ers who stopped practicing because they claimed they were deceived about the meaning of mantras. I don't believe anyone has stopped for that reason. Usually they quit because they don't think like it or don't think it has enough reward for the time invested. Some people seem to take to it like ducks to water and become full of flashy experiences and evangelical zeal, I know I did. Go figure.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity
True Believers tend to believe in Absolutist terms (either l00% true or 100%
false) and they can't tolerate situations in which:
a. the truth is unknown
b. the truth is midway between extremes
c. simply unknowable
d. variants such as true some of the time, but at other times not true, or
true for some people but not others.
Barry is a True Believer according to this definition, and I'm not.
Point #4:
* Nitpick them into arguing with you. Any nitpick will do, but the best is some
kind of semantic nitpick about one or two words in something they posted that
doesn't really have anything to do with the criticism you're trying to
D-E-F-L-E-C-T. If you can get them -- or other posters -- all involved in a
meaningless nitpick side argument that has nothing to do with the original
criticism, they aren't involved in the criticism. You've won.
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stupidity
What Maharishi told you, Geeze, was the association between the bija mantra
and Saraswati. The bija itself is still a semantically meaningless sound
(unlike the Sanskrit words that comprise the advanced techniques, which do have
semantic meanings).
FWIW, I've been on residence courses in which the teachers were asked directly
whether the mantras were the names of Hindu gods. In both cases the teacher
willingly explained that in Hinduism, the bija mantras were associated with
Hindu deities, whereas in TM we drew no such association but simply entertained
the bija as a meaningless sound.
Checked in to see what was going on at FFL today and low and behold, it's the
mantra meaning debate!
I've posted this before some years back but for me it was settled once and for
all back in 1976 when I received my 4th advanced technique. I was waiting in
line to see MMY when the guy in front of me, a friend of mine, said ask him
the meaning, he'll tell you.
MMY gave me the new variation of my mantra (it was now Sri Aing Namah Namah)
and I quietly said what is the meaning? MMY said Glorious Saraswati I bow
down to you again and again. {pause} Do not dwell.
At the time I was totally thrilled since I LOVED the idea of worshipping the
goddess Saraswati. It was only much later that I began to think about the fact
that I had been telling all of my students that they were meaningless sounds.
Many years later, when the mantra tables were revealed, it was easy to
decipher the meaning of all of them.
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Too bad you didn't get a buzz. I did many a time and it was not mood making. Of course I got a buzz as a 4 year contemplating infinity when I asked my mom how big was the universe. ;-) On 03/25/2014 10:20 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: Gotta agree with Salyavin here -- no buzz whatsoever. I instructed hundreds of people, and thus did hundreds of pujas, and never felt a damned thing. I'm convinced that the buzz thing is mood-making and the placebo effect. *From:* salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, March 25, 2014 6:17 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity I didn't get a buzz from the puja, I enjoyed the chanting and the exotic unexpectedness of it though and getting the mantra at the end was clever, it worked straight away too. I was hooked from day one - regardless of the etymology of the terms ;-) I think you'll have a job getting the aspects of natural law excuse past the fundies though, a blue elephant worshipped by Hindu's is still a blue elephant no matter what you call it ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : So did you get a buzz from the puja? You should and that's probably why you liked it. The buzz would be the increase of shakti which is something not well understood by western science. Another thing we need to remember is that just the word Hindu was a form of ignorance created by invaders of the Indus Valley who could not pronounce a word starting with I so they put an H in front. Sort of of a joke. And Hinduism just like MMY said, is indeed a philosophy just like Buddhism and not a religion. The invaders also thought the practices constituted a religion. And truly there are some Indians who practice it religiously. :-D On 03/25/2014 08:07 AM, salyavin808 wrote: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity? Hmmm, seems like that's the sort of thing meditation was designed for. Is it too late for a refund? I don't know why you people get so upset at a few inconvenient facts. I'm an athiest and I loved the puja, all that bowing and singing and incense, just like some sort of religious thing but not a religious thing because it was all in foreign and quite enjoyable anyway, so why would it matter? Unless you are some sort of religious person who has what they are allowed to do proscribed by someone else, but who would admit to that? As the TM teacher said: if you like ceremonies it's a nice one. If you don't, it's a short one. And besides, I wanted to get my hands on the enlightenment and the supernatural powers the book promised, so I would have sat through a hymn service at the local church. Almost. Anyhoo's, I don't remember any god doing anything for me lately so I conclude that the origin of mantras is irrelevant, and also about as irrelevant as other TMO teachings I had plowed into me like the fact that most of classical Indian literature happens to be present in my body in some, unspecified, way. Which seems to me about as religious a statement as you could /possibly/ make. Coincidentally, you can cure people of any health problem at all by chanting the relevant section of something called the ved at the unwell part of the body in another undoubtably secular (and not cheap) ceremony in order to redress the balance. According to the latest discoveries of Maharaja Raja Raam (Tony to his friends) the reason we get ill in the first place is because the battles of the Ramayana are being fought out in our bodies. Astounding. Order me an obviously secular yagya immediately! But mantras I don't care about. I mean, /obviously /they come from some hindu or pre-hindu teaching, all this stuff does and all this stuff is ancient. The question is, why would that be a surprise to anybody? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... mailto:emptybill@... wrote : Recently I have read here on FFL an argument professed by former TM’ers who stopped practicing because they claimed they were deceived about the meaning of mantras. I don't believe anyone has stopped for that reason. Usually they quit because they don't think like it or don't think it has enough reward for the time invested. Some people seem to take to it like ducks to water and become full of flashy experiences and evangelical zeal, I know I did. Go figure.
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I like the story of the buzz at 4. My earliest recollection of getting a sense of wonder was when my Mum bought me a Dinosaur book. On the bottom of every page was part of a scale starting with the primordial soup at the world's beginning, and on every page millions of years would pass, page after page and all you see is bacteria which finally gives rise to cells and the the earliest complex lifeforms which turn into animals with backbones. On the last two pages you get dinosaurs then mammals and finally on the penultimate inch you get mankind and then a city. That concept of deep time blew my 8 year old mind, and still does. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Too bad you didn't get a buzz. I did many a time and it was not mood making. Of course I got a buzz as a 4 year contemplating infinity when I asked my mom how big was the universe. ;-) On 03/25/2014 10:20 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: Gotta agree with Salyavin here -- no buzz whatsoever. I instructed hundreds of people, and thus did hundreds of pujas, and never felt a damned thing. I'm convinced that the buzz thing is mood-making and the placebo effect. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 6:17 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity I didn't get a buzz from the puja, I enjoyed the chanting and the exotic unexpectedness of it though and getting the mantra at the end was clever, it worked straight away too. I was hooked from day one - regardless of the etymology of the terms ;-) I think you'll have a job getting the aspects of natural law excuse past the fundies though, a blue elephant worshipped by Hindu's is still a blue elephant no matter what you call it ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : So did you get a buzz from the puja? You should and that's probably why you liked it. The buzz would be the increase of shakti which is something not well understood by western science. Another thing we need to remember is that just the word Hindu was a form of ignorance created by invaders of the Indus Valley who could not pronounce a word starting with I so they put an H in front. Sort of of a joke. And Hinduism just like MMY said, is indeed a philosophy just like Buddhism and not a religion. The invaders also thought the practices constituted a religion. And truly there are some Indians who practice it religiously. :-D On 03/25/2014 08:07 AM, salyavin808 wrote: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity? Hmmm, seems like that's the sort of thing meditation was designed for. Is it too late for a refund? I don't know why you people get so upset at a few inconvenient facts. I'm an athiest and I loved the puja, all that bowing and singing and incense, just like some sort of religious thing but not a religious thing because it was all in foreign and quite enjoyable anyway, so why would it matter? Unless you are some sort of religious person who has what they are allowed to do proscribed by someone else, but who would admit to that? As the TM teacher said: if you like ceremonies it's a nice one. If you don't, it's a short one. And besides, I wanted to get my hands on the enlightenment and the supernatural powers the book promised, so I would have sat through a hymn service at the local church. Almost. Anyhoo's, I don't remember any god doing anything for me lately so I conclude that the origin of mantras is irrelevant, and also about as irrelevant as other TMO teachings I had plowed into me like the fact that most of classical Indian literature happens to be present in my body in some, unspecified, way. Which seems to me about as religious a statement as you could possibly make. Coincidentally, you can cure people of any health problem at all by chanting the relevant section of something called the ved at the unwell part of the body in another undoubtably secular (and not cheap) ceremony in order to redress the balance. According to the latest discoveries of Maharaja Raja Raam (Tony to his friends) the reason we get ill in the first place is because the battles of the Ramayana are being fought out in our bodies. Astounding. Order me an obviously secular yagya immediately! But mantras I don't care about. I mean, obviously they come from some hindu or pre-hindu teaching, all this stuff does and all this stuff is ancient. The question is, why would that be a surprise to anybody? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... mailto:emptybill@... wrote : Recently I have read here on FFL an argument professed by former TM’ers who stopped practicing because they claimed they were deceived
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Point #5: Shaddap, Barry.:-)
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emptybill, I sprinkle a lot of tumeric on the scrambled eggs. Does that get any yogi points?! On Tuesday, March 25, 2014 2:58 PM, emptyb...@yahoo.com emptyb...@yahoo.com wrote: And the mantra-devatâ for your scrambled egg sutra is something you got from some householder FFL yogi?... Or did you just cook it up?
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Turmeric, not tumeric. emptybill, I sprinkle a lot of tumeric on the scrambled eggs. Does that get any yogi points?! On Tuesday, March 25, 2014 2:58 PM, emptybill@... emptybill@... wrote: And the mantra-devatâ for your scrambled egg sutra is something you got from some householder FFL yogi?... Or did you just cook it up?
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Thanks, Judy and how in the heck did I get in the habit of saying neuronal rather than neural pathways?! Very disconcerting... On Tuesday, March 25, 2014 3:46 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: Turmeric, not tumeric. emptybill, I sprinkle a lot of tumeric on the scrambled eggs. Does that get any yogi points?! On Tuesday, March 25, 2014 2:58 PM, emptybill@... emptybill@... wrote: And the mantra-devatâ for your scrambled egg sutra is something you got from some householder FFL yogi?... Or did you just cook it up?
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On 3/25/2014 1:03 PM, Bhairitu wrote: Too bad you didn't get a buzz. If the other Barry didn't get a single buzz in the twenty years or more that he worked for MMY and Rama, he must have really been wasting a lot of time and money - thousands of dollars and almost half his adult life. That doesn't indicate to me a very wise Uncle Tantra. Some people get a buzz just standing on a busy street corner in the afternoon. LoL! On 03/25/2014 10:20 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: Gotta agree with Salyavin here -- no buzz whatsoever.
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Upon further reflection, I am honored to learn from one who knows more than a billion Hindus. Tell you what, let's test your theory and resolve. Fly to India, choose any large city, go to the area where the Hindus eat their lunches, stand up on a soapbox and say loudly Hinduism is not a religion, it is a philosophy! Hinduism is not a religion, it is a philosophy! repeat it over and over and loudly. Those of us on FFL will sent condolences to your widow. On Tue, 3/25/14, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, March 25, 2014, 5:58 PM Can't do much about those who wish to remain ignorant. On 03/25/2014 09:54 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: you are as full of shit as a Christmas goose to say that Hinduism is a philosophy - there are about a billion Hindus who disagree with you. On Tue, 3/25/14, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, March 25, 2014, 4:06 PM So did you get a buzz from the puja? You should and that's probably why you liked it. The buzz would be the increase of shakti which is something not well understood by western science. Another thing we need to remember is that just the word Hindu was a form of ignorance created by invaders of the Indus Valley who could not pronounce a word starting with I so they put an H in front. Sort of of a joke. And Hinduism just like MMY said, is indeed a philosophy just like Buddhism and not a religion. The invaders also thought the practices constituted a religion. And truly there are some Indians who practice it religiously. :-D On 03/25/2014 08:07 AM, salyavin808 wrote: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity? Hmmm, seems like that's the sort of thing meditation was designed for. Is it too late for a refund? I don't know why you people get so upset at a few inconvenient facts. I'm an athiest and I loved the puja, all that bowing and singing and incense, just like some sort of religious thing but not a religious thing because it was all in foreign and quite enjoyable anyway, so why would it matter? Unless you are some sort of religious person who has what they are allowed to do proscribed by someone else, but who would admit to that? As the TM teacher said: if you like ceremonies it's a nice one. If you don't, it's a short one. And besides, I wanted to get my hands on the enlightenment and the supernatural powers the book promised, so I would have sat through a hymn service at the local church. Almost
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Ever been to India, Michael? On 03/25/2014 04:37 PM, Michael Jackson wrote: Upon further reflection, I am honored to learn from one who knows more than a billion Hindus. Tell you what, let's test your theory and resolve. Fly to India, choose any large city, go to the area where the Hindus eat their lunches, stand up on a soapbox and say loudly Hinduism is not a religion, it is a philosophy! Hinduism is not a religion, it is a philosophy! repeat it over and over and loudly. Those of us on FFL will sent condolences to your widow. On Tue, 3/25/14, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, March 25, 2014, 5:58 PM Can't do much about those who wish to remain ignorant. On 03/25/2014 09:54 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: you are as full of shit as a Christmas goose to say that Hinduism is a philosophy - there are about a billion Hindus who disagree with you. On Tue, 3/25/14, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, March 25, 2014, 4:06 PM So did you get a buzz from the puja? You should and that's probably why you liked it. The buzz would be the increase of shakti which is something not well understood by western science. Another thing we need to remember is that just the word Hindu was a form of ignorance created by invaders of the Indus Valley who could not pronounce a word starting with I so they put an H in front. Sort of of a joke. And Hinduism just like MMY said, is indeed a philosophy just like Buddhism and not a religion. The invaders also thought the practices constituted a religion. And truly there are some Indians who practice it religiously. :-D On 03/25/2014 08:07 AM, salyavin808 wrote: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity? Hmmm, seems like that's the sort of thing meditation was designed for. Is it too late for a refund? I don't know why you people get so upset at a few inconvenient facts. I'm an athiest and I loved the puja, all that bowing and singing and incense, just like some sort of religious thing but not a religious thing because it was all in foreign and quite enjoyable anyway, so why would it matter? Unless you are some sort of religious person who has what they are allowed to do proscribed by someone else, but who would admit to that? As the TM teacher said: if you like ceremonies it's a nice one. If you don't, it's a short one. And besides, I wanted to get my hands on the enlightenment and the supernatural powers the book promised, so I would have sat through a hymn service at the local church. Almost. Anyhoo's, I don't remember any god doing anything for me lately so I conclude that the origin of mantras is irrelevant, and also about as irrelevant as other TMO teachings I had plowed into me like the fact that most of classical Indian literature happens to be present in my body in some, unspecified, way. Which seems to me about as religious a statement as you could possibly make. Coincidentally, you can cure people of any health problem at all by chanting the relevant section of something called the ved at the unwell part of the body in another undoubtably secular (and not cheap) ceremony in order to redress the balance. According to the latest discoveries of Maharaja Raja Raam (Tony to his friends) the reason we get ill in the first place is because the battles of the Ramayana are being fought out in our bodies. Astounding. Order me an obviously secular yagya immediately! But mantras I don't care about. I mean, obviously they come from some hindu or pre-hindu teaching, all this stuff does and all this stuff is ancient. The question is, why would that be a surprise to anybody? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... wrote : Recently I have read here on FFL an argument professed by former TM’ers who stopped practicing because they claimed they were deceived about the meaning of mantras. I don't believe anyone has stopped for that reason. Usually they quit because they don't think like it or don't think it has enough reward for the time invested. Some people seem to take to it like ducks to water and become full of flashy experiences and evangelical zeal, I know I did. Go figure.
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On 3/25/2014 11:20 AM, geezerfr...@yahoo.com wrote: Many years later, when the mantra tables were revealed, it was easy to decipher the meaning of all of them. Sometimes it takes people a very long time to realize that yoga comes from the East - some people already knew that. It was probably sometime in the ninth grade that I read my first book about Tibet. Before I started TM, I was an SRF student under Yogananda. So, I guess it's possible that some people just didn't get that MMY was a yogi from India - but how they overlooked the bedsheet, the beard, the beads, and the long hair beats me. It should come as no surprise that MMY followed the Hindu faith. Go figure.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : I like the story of the buzz at 4. My earliest recollection of getting a sense of wonder was when my Mum bought me a Dinosaur book. On the bottom of every page was part of a scale starting with the primordial soup at the world's beginning, and on every page millions of years would pass, page after page and all you see is bacteria which finally gives rise to cells and the the earliest complex lifeforms which turn into animals with backbones. On the last two pages you get dinosaurs then mammals and finally on the penultimate inch you get mankind and then a city. That concept of deep time blew my 8 year old mind, and still does. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Too bad you didn't get a buzz. I did many a time and it was not mood making. Of course I got a buzz as a 4 year contemplating infinity when I asked my mom how big was the universe. ;-) On 03/25/2014 10:20 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: Gotta agree with Salyavin here -- no buzz whatsoever. I instructed hundreds of people, and thus did hundreds of pujas, and never felt a damned thing. I'm convinced that the buzz thing is mood-making and the placebo effect. The puja was the most interesting and deep of all of the experiences I had with TM. I am no mood maker, very far from it. But because you felt nothing during a puja you assert that anyone else who did is under some delusion, some mood making. Barry - the very center of the solar system around which all things revolve and depend upon.
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Look, you can choose to dismiss the concept because it sounds silly. But if you don't believe that has humans, we undergo tests of various kinds, then I think you may be missing something. Yes, I believe in the concept of enlightenment. I think it is something we consciously, or unconsciously strive towards in one life, or many lives. And for me, in my experience, (and certainly you can say I am deluding myself), I feel there are, and have been many sorts of tests. Tests of ego, pride, or greed, to name a few. And if someone wants to ascribe some cosmic attribute to it, it doesn't really bother me. YMMV. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Two things: Are you joking about Nader saying the Ramayana battles are being fought in our bodies??? OR is that what he really says? That's what he said at a recent lecture in London, it's from his new book Ramayana in human physiology I don't understand any of it, from his first book of discoveries onwards. The whole idea makes my skin crawl with discomfort as it's probably the least likely explanation of anything in the natural world I have yet come across. Completely bonkers in fact, but once you accept it it does open the way to justifying everything else in the catalogue, which is handy.. ...but they probably do actually believe it - I know loads of people who think he's great. Go figure, I can't. The reason for the mantra debate is some just can't accept they were hoodwinked by marshy no matter how good the practice felt - for me self, its another example of his deceit. On Tue, 3/25/14, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, March 25, 2014, 3:07 PM
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You know Michael, things may not always be as black and white as you'd like to make them with regard to Maharishi. Santana Dharma might be more akin to a philosophy than a religion according to many. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San%C4%81tan%C4%AB http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San%C4%81tan%C4%AB ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : you are as full of shit as a Christmas goose to say that Hinduism is a philosophy - there are about a billion Hindus who disagree with you. On Tue, 3/25/14, Bhairitu noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, March 25, 2014, 4:06 PM So did you get a buzz from the puja? You should and that's probably why you liked it. The buzz would be the increase of shakti which is something not well understood by western science. Another thing we need to remember is that just the word Hindu was a form of ignorance created by invaders of the Indus Valley who could not pronounce a word starting with I so they put an H in front. Sort of of a joke. And Hinduism just like MMY said, is indeed a philosophy just like Buddhism and not a religion. The invaders also thought the practices constituted a religion. And truly there are some Indians who practice it religiously. :-D On 03/25/2014 08:07 AM, salyavin808 wrote: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity? Hmmm, seems like that's the sort of thing meditation was designed for. Is it too late for a refund? I don't know why you people get so upset at a few inconvenient facts. I'm an athiest and I loved the puja, all that bowing and singing and incense, just like some sort of religious thing but not a religious thing because it was all in foreign and quite enjoyable anyway, so why would it matter? Unless you are some sort of religious person who has what they are allowed to do proscribed by someone else, but who would admit to that? As the TM teacher said: if you like ceremonies it's a nice one. If you don't, it's a short one. And besides, I wanted to get my hands on the enlightenment and the supernatural powers the book promised, so I would have sat through a hymn service at the local church. Almost. Anyhoo's, I don't remember any god doing anything for me lately so I conclude that the origin of mantras is irrelevant, and also about as irrelevant as other TMO teachings I had plowed into me like the fact that most of classical Indian literature happens to be present in my body in some, unspecified, way. Which seems to me about as religious a statement as you could possibly make. Coincidentally, you can cure people of any health problem at all by chanting the relevant section of something called the ved at the unwell part of the body in another undoubtably secular (and not cheap) ceremony in order to redress the balance. According to the latest discoveries of Maharaja Raja Raam (Tony to his friends) the reason we get ill in the first place is because the battles of the Ramayana are being fought out in our bodies. Astounding. Order me an obviously secular yagya immediately! But mantras I don't care about. I mean, obviously they come from some hindu or pre-hindu teaching, all this stuff does and all this stuff is ancient. The question is, why would that be a surprise to anybody? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... wrote : Recently I have read here on FFL an argument professed by former TM’ers who stopped practicing because they claimed they were deceived about the meaning of mantras. I don't believe anyone has stopped for that reason. Usually they quit because they don't think like it or don't think it has enough reward for the time invested. Some people seem to take to it like ducks to water and become full of flashy experiences and evangelical zeal, I know I did. Go figure.
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Alright I tell you what, you go to India with noozguru and get you a soapbox too and loudly proclaim Hinduism is not a religion and see what the adherents of Santana Dharma do to you - you'll be wishin' you had said it to Carlos Santana instead of the followers of the Hindu RELIGION as they are sending off into your next incarnation. On Wed, 3/26/14, steve.sun...@yahoo.com steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, March 26, 2014, 2:43 AM You know Michael, things may not always be as black and white as you'd like to make them with regard to Maharishi. Santana Dharma might be more akin to a philosophy than a religion according to many. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San%C4%81tan%C4%AB ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : you are as full of shit as a Christmas goose to say that Hinduism is a philosophy - there are about a billion Hindus who disagree with you. On Tue, 3/25/14, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, March 25, 2014, 4:06 PM So did you get a buzz from the puja? You should and that's probably why you liked it. The buzz would be the increase of shakti which is something not well understood by western science. Another thing we need to remember is that just the word Hindu was a form of ignorance created by invaders of the Indus Valley who could not pronounce a word starting with I so they put an H in front. Sort of of a joke. And Hinduism just like MMY said, is indeed a philosophy just like Buddhism and not a religion. The invaders also thought the practices constituted a religion. And truly there are some Indians who practice it religiously. :-D On 03/25/2014 08:07 AM, salyavin808 wrote: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity? Hmmm, seems like that's the sort of thing meditation was designed for. Is it too late for a refund? I don't know why you people get so upset at a few inconvenient facts. I'm an athiest and I loved the puja, all that bowing and singing and incense, just like some sort of religious thing but not a religious thing because it was all in foreign and quite enjoyable anyway, so why would it matter? Unless you are some sort of religious person who has what they are allowed to do proscribed by someone else, but who would admit to that? As the TM teacher said: if you like ceremonies it's a nice one. If you don't, it's a short one. And besides, I wanted to get my hands on the enlightenment and the supernatural powers the book promised, so I would have sat through a hymn service at the local church. Almost. Anyhoo's, I don't remember any god doing anything for me lately so I conclude that the origin of mantras is irrelevant, and also about as irrelevant as other TMO teachings I had plowed into me like the fact that most of classical Indian literature happens to be present in my body in some, unspecified, way. Which seems to me about as religious a statement as you could possibly make. Coincidentally, you can cure people of any health problem at all by chanting the relevant section of something called the ved at the unwell part of the body in another undoubtably secular (and not cheap) ceremony in order to redress the balance. According to the latest discoveries of Maharaja Raja Raam (Tony to his friends) the reason we get ill in the first place is because the battles of the Ramayana are being fought out in our bodies. Astounding. Order me an obviously secular yagya immediately! But mantras I don't care about. I mean, obviously they come from some hindu or pre-hindu teaching, all this stuff does and all this stuff is ancient. The question is, why would that be a surprise to anybody? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... wrote : Recently I have read here on FFL an argument professed by former TM’ers who stopped practicing because they claimed they were deceived about the meaning of mantras. I don't believe anyone has stopped for that reason. Usually they quit because they don't think like it or don't think it has
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Obviously Michael has NOT been to India. FYI Michael, Indians love to discuss such issues. Plus if you went there and proclaimed that Hinduism is not a religion but a philosophy they would just look at you with what else is new grin. On 03/25/2014 08:00 PM, Michael Jackson wrote: Alright I tell you what, you go to India with noozguru and get you a soapbox too and loudly proclaim Hinduism is not a religion and see what the adherents of Santana Dharma do to you - you'll be wishin' you had said it to Carlos Santana instead of the followers of the Hindu RELIGION as they are sending off into your next incarnation. On Wed, 3/26/14, steve.sun...@yahoo.com steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, March 26, 2014, 2:43 AM You know Michael, things may not always be as black and white as you'd like to make them with regard to Maharishi. Santana Dharma might be more akin to a philosophy than a religion according to many. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San%C4%81tan%C4%AB ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : you are as full of shit as a Christmas goose to say that Hinduism is a philosophy - there are about a billion Hindus who disagree with you. On Tue, 3/25/14, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, March 25, 2014, 4:06 PM So did you get a buzz from the puja? You should and that's probably why you liked it. The buzz would be the increase of shakti which is something not well understood by western science. Another thing we need to remember is that just the word Hindu was a form of ignorance created by invaders of the Indus Valley who could not pronounce a word starting with I so they put an H in front. Sort of of a joke. And Hinduism just like MMY said, is indeed a philosophy just like Buddhism and not a religion. The invaders also thought the practices constituted a religion. And truly there are some Indians who practice it religiously. :-D On 03/25/2014 08:07 AM, salyavin808 wrote: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity? Hmmm, seems like that's the sort of thing meditation was designed for. Is it too late for a refund? I don't know why you people get so upset at a few inconvenient facts. I'm an athiest and I loved the puja, all that bowing and singing and incense, just like some sort of religious thing but not a religious thing because it was all in foreign and quite enjoyable anyway, so why would it matter? Unless you are some sort of religious person who has what they are allowed to do proscribed by someone else, but who would admit to that? As the TM teacher said: if you like ceremonies it's a nice one. If you don't, it's a short one. And besides, I wanted to get my hands on the enlightenment and the supernatural powers the book promised, so I would have sat through a hymn service at the local church. Almost. Anyhoo's, I don't remember any god doing anything for me lately so I conclude that the origin of mantras is irrelevant, and also about as irrelevant as other TMO teachings I had plowed into me like the fact that most of classical Indian literature happens to be present in my body in some, unspecified, way. Which seems to me about as religious a statement as you could possibly make. Coincidentally, you can cure people of any health problem at all by chanting the relevant section of something called the ved at the unwell part of the body in another undoubtably secular (and not cheap) ceremony in order to redress the balance. According to the latest discoveries of Maharaja Raja Raam (Tony to his friends) the reason we get ill in the first place is because the battles of the Ramayana are being fought out in our bodies. Astounding. Order me an obviously secular yagya immediately! But mantras I don't care about. I mean, obviously they come from some hindu or pre-hindu teaching, all this stuff does and all this stuff is ancient. The question is, why would that be a surprise to anybody? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... wrote : Recently I have read here on FFL an argument professed by former TM’ers who stopped practicing because they claimed they were deceived about the meaning of mantras. I don't believe anyone has stopped for that reason. Usually they quit because they don't think like it or don't think it has enough reward for the time invested. Some people seem to take to it like ducks to water and become full of flashy
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity
Michael, sometimes it sounds like you just like to hear yourself sound off. And sometimes you sort of look like a jackass. Sorry about that. You see that sometimes when people think they've got it all figured out. Or maybe when an agenda they're so attached to, doesn't leave an opening for any dissenting information. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Alright I tell you what, you go to India with noozguru and get you a soapbox too and loudly proclaim Hinduism is not a religion and see what the adherents of Santana Dharma do to you - you'll be wishin' you had said it to Carlos Santana instead of the followers of the Hindu RELIGION as they are sending off into your next incarnation. On Wed, 3/26/14, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, March 26, 2014, 2:43 AM You know Michael, things may not always be as black and white as you'd like to make them with regard to Maharishi. Santana Dharma might be more akin to a philosophy than a religion according to many. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San%C4%81tan%C4%AB http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San%C4%81tan%C4%AB ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : you are as full of shit as a Christmas goose to say that Hinduism is a philosophy - there are about a billion Hindus who disagree with you. On Tue, 3/25/14, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, March 25, 2014, 4:06 PM So did you get a buzz from the puja? You should and that's probably why you liked it. The buzz would be the increase of shakti which is something not well understood by western science. Another thing we need to remember is that just the word Hindu was a form of ignorance created by invaders of the Indus Valley who could not pronounce a word starting with I so they put an H in front. Sort of of a joke. And Hinduism just like MMY said, is indeed a philosophy just like Buddhism and not a religion. The invaders also thought the practices constituted a religion. And truly there are some Indians who practice it religiously. :-D On 03/25/2014 08:07 AM, salyavin808 wrote: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity? Hmmm, seems like that's the sort of thing meditation was designed for. Is it too late for a refund? I don't know why you people get so upset at a few inconvenient facts. I'm an athiest and I loved the puja, all that bowing and singing and incense, just like some sort of religious thing but not a religious thing because it was all in foreign and quite enjoyable anyway, so why would it matter? Unless you are some sort of religious person who has what they are allowed to do proscribed by someone else, but who would admit to that? As the TM teacher said: if you like ceremonies it's a nice one. If you don't, it's a short one. And besides, I wanted to get my hands on the enlightenment and the supernatural powers the book promised, so I would have sat through a hymn service at the local church. Almost. Anyhoo's, I don't remember any god doing anything for me lately so I conclude that the origin of mantras is irrelevant, and also about as irrelevant as other TMO teachings I had plowed into me like the fact that most of classical Indian literature happens to be present in my body in some, unspecified, way. Which seems to me about as religious a statement as you could possibly make. Coincidentally, you can cure people of any health problem at all by chanting the relevant section of something called the ved at the unwell part of the body in another undoubtably secular (and not cheap) ceremony in order to redress the balance. According to the latest discoveries of Maharaja Raja Raam (Tony to his friends) the reason we get ill in the first place is because the battles of the Ramayana are being fought out in our bodies. Astounding. Order me an obviously secular yagya immediately! But mantras I don't care about. I mean, obviously they come from some hindu
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you are both full of it - if you are going to stick to this assertion, try it out - you don't even have to go to India - go to your local Hindu temple, waltz in and tell the priests they are not really priests, they are just philosophers. Tell the worshipers they are not actually worshiping their gods and goddesses, they are just practicing philosophy. People don't generally kill each other over philosophy, but they damn sure do over religion. Muslims get killed in India not because they insult a philosophy but because they have insulted the a religion, or some aspect of the religion. If Hinduism was a philosophy it would be called one rather than one of the worlds MAJOR RELIGIONS - but I guess you two know better than a billion Hindus and 5,000 years or so of a religion's existence. You assertion is one of the most absurd contentions I have seen on FFL and that's saying something. On Wed, 3/26/14, steve.sun...@yahoo.com steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, March 26, 2014, 3:30 AM Michael, sometimes it sounds like you just like to hear yourself sound off. And sometimes you sort of look like a jackass. Sorry about that. You see that sometimes when people think they've got it all figured out. Or maybe when an agenda they're so attached to, doesn't leave an opening for any dissenting information. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Alright I tell you what, you go to India with noozguru and get you a soapbox too and loudly proclaim Hinduism is not a religion and see what the adherents of Santana Dharma do to you - you'll be wishin' you had said it to Carlos Santana instead of the followers of the Hindu RELIGION as they are sending off into your next incarnation. On Wed, 3/26/14, steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, March 26, 2014, 2:43 AM You know Michael, things may not always be as black and white as you'd like to make them with regard to Maharishi. Santana Dharma might be more akin to a philosophy than a religion according to many. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San%C4%81tan%C4%AB ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : you are as full of shit as a Christmas goose to say that Hinduism is a philosophy - there are about a billion Hindus who disagree with you. On Tue, 3/25/14, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, March 25, 2014, 4:06 PM So did you get a buzz from the puja? You should and that's probably why you liked it. The buzz would be the increase of shakti which is something not well understood by western science. Another thing we need to remember is that just the word Hindu was a form of ignorance created by invaders of the Indus Valley who could not pronounce a word starting with I so they put an H in front. Sort of of a joke. And Hinduism just like MMY said, is indeed a philosophy just like Buddhism and not a religion. The invaders also thought the practices constituted a religion. And truly there are some Indians who practice it religiously. :-D On 03/25/2014 08:07 AM, salyavin808 wrote: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity? Hmmm, seems like that's the sort of thing meditation was designed for. Is it too late for a refund? I don't know why you people get so upset at a few inconvenient facts. I'm an athiest and I loved the puja, all that bowing and singing and incense, just like some sort of religious thing but not a religious thing because it was all in foreign and quite enjoyable anyway, so why would it matter? Unless you are some sort of religious person who has
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That's how it generally works Michael. When shown to be in error, just double down, or triple down on the error. You have no idea what you're talking about, and so you're trying the baffle with bullshit angle. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : you are both full of it - if you are going to stick to this assertion, try it out - you don't even have to go to India - go to your local Hindu temple, waltz in and tell the priests they are not really priests, they are just philosophers. Tell the worshipers they are not actually worshiping their gods and goddesses, they are just practicing philosophy. People don't generally kill each other over philosophy, but they damn sure do over religion. Muslims get killed in India not because they insult a philosophy but because they have insulted the a religion, or some aspect of the religion. If Hinduism was a philosophy it would be called one rather than one of the worlds MAJOR RELIGIONS - but I guess you two know better than a billion Hindus and 5,000 years or so of a religion's existence. You assertion is one of the most absurd contentions I have seen on FFL and that's saying something. On Wed, 3/26/14, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, March 26, 2014, 3:30 AM Michael, sometimes it sounds like you just like to hear yourself sound off. And sometimes you sort of look like a jackass. Sorry about that. You see that sometimes when people think they've got it all figured out. Or maybe when an agenda they're so attached to, doesn't leave an opening for any dissenting information. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Alright I tell you what, you go to India with noozguru and get you a soapbox too and loudly proclaim Hinduism is not a religion and see what the adherents of Santana Dharma do to you - you'll be wishin' you had said it to Carlos Santana instead of the followers of the Hindu RELIGION as they are sending off into your next incarnation. On Wed, 3/26/14, steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, March 26, 2014, 2:43 AM You know Michael, things may not always be as black and white as you'd like to make them with regard to Maharishi. Santana Dharma might be more akin to a philosophy than a religion according to many. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San%C4%81tan%C4%AB http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San%C4%81tan%C4%AB ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : you are as full of shit as a Christmas goose to say that Hinduism is a philosophy - there are about a billion Hindus who disagree with you. On Tue, 3/25/14, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, March 25, 2014, 4:06 PM So did you get a buzz from the puja? You should and that's probably why you liked it. The buzz would be the increase of shakti which is something not well understood by western science. Another thing we need to remember is that just the word Hindu was a form of ignorance created by invaders of the Indus Valley who could not pronounce a word starting with I so they put an H in front. Sort of of a joke. And Hinduism just like MMY said, is indeed a philosophy just like Buddhism and not a religion. The invaders also thought the practices constituted a religion. And truly there are some Indians who practice it religiously. :-D On 03/25/2014 08:07 AM, salyavin808 wrote: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity? Hmmm, seems like that's the sort of thing meditation was designed
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Scene: Hindu Temple Somewhere in the US Michael Jackson at the front door looking in, seeing the Hindu Priest: MJ: Hey Hindu Philosopher, Whats Up? Hindu Priest: (in sing song cadence) I dount knoow who you are talking tooo. Are yuu talkingg tooo me? MJ: Yea I'm talking to you. (then looking over at the Shiva lingam) How's that Philosopher's Stone doing? HP: ( Head moving left to right) Duu yuu mean our Holy Shiva Lingam MJ: Yea the Philosopher's Stone HP: Eeet is duing fine, thank you MJ: When do the philosophy students come? HP: Duu yuu mean the congregation? MJ: (then getting ready to bolt out) Yes, I was told that Hinduism is a Philosophy and not a religion HP: That ees fine. If yu are more comfortable calling it a pheelosophee, then that is alright. Noo problem there MJ walks back to his car shaking his head. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : That's how it generally works Michael. When shown to be in error, just double down, or triple down on the error. You have no idea what you're talking about, and so you're trying the baffle with bullshit angle. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : you are both full of it - if you are going to stick to this assertion, try it out - you don't even have to go to India - go to your local Hindu temple, waltz in and tell the priests they are not really priests, they are just philosophers. Tell the worshipers they are not actually worshiping their gods and goddesses, they are just practicing philosophy. People don't generally kill each other over philosophy, but they damn sure do over religion. Muslims get killed in India not because they insult a philosophy but because they have insulted the a religion, or some aspect of the religion. If Hinduism was a philosophy it would be called one rather than one of the worlds MAJOR RELIGIONS - but I guess you two know better than a billion Hindus and 5,000 years or so of a religion's existence. You assertion is one of the most absurd contentions I have seen on FFL and that's saying something. On Wed, 3/26/14, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, March 26, 2014, 3:30 AM Michael, sometimes it sounds like you just like to hear yourself sound off. And sometimes you sort of look like a jackass. Sorry about that. You see that sometimes when people think they've got it all figured out. Or maybe when an agenda they're so attached to, doesn't leave an opening for any dissenting information. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Alright I tell you what, you go to India with noozguru and get you a soapbox too and loudly proclaim Hinduism is not a religion and see what the adherents of Santana Dharma do to you - you'll be wishin' you had said it to Carlos Santana instead of the followers of the Hindu RELIGION as they are sending off into your next incarnation. On Wed, 3/26/14, steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, March 26, 2014, 2:43 AM You know Michael, things may not always be as black and white as you'd like to make them with regard to Maharishi. Santana Dharma might be more akin to a philosophy than a religion according to many. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San%C4%81tan%C4%AB http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San%C4%81tan%C4%AB ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : you are as full of shit as a Christmas goose to say that Hinduism is a philosophy - there are about a billion Hindus who disagree with you. On Tue, 3/25/14, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, March 25, 2014, 4:06 PM So did you get a buzz from the puja? You should and that's probably why you liked it. The buzz would be the increase of shakti which
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gayatri Mantra Around the World
Which Gayatri? Since as you know there are a bunch of them and for different deities, but we can't expect the neophytes here to know that. And they can be made more powerful with samput. The more well known Gayatri is good for reducing kapha since can make your blood boil and hence must be treated with care. On 07/14/2013 10:15 PM, Ravi Chivukula wrote: Nice dear Emily. Every time I go to India my brother-in-law's like - God where's your sacred thread, you should at least chant Gayatri once a day - you are a Brahmin. I'm like - oh please. I have worn it only when I perform the annual departed soul ritual for my dad. Here's a picture of the fake Brahmin from Apr 2012 at Malibu Temple [image: Inline image 1] On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 7:05 PM, Emily Reyn emilymae.r...@yahoo.com wrote: ** Yes, it's mostly about Europe isn't it - eurocentric. I love her voice. -- *From:* raunchydog raunchy...@yahoo.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Sunday, July 14, 2013 5:51 PM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Gayatri Mantra Around the World --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlUsoWmso9U Beautiful voice. Africa and the Middle East are notably missing from the travelogue. Thanks for posting, em, very enjoyable.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gayatri Mantra Around the World
yep noozguru I remembered something from FFL, probably you, along those lines about Gayatri mantra so gave it a miss. I also heard it's especially boiling for grannys no matter how wonchi they are (-: I used to read city-data. I think that's a forum. BTW, the NSA USA video was cute. Briefest of the brief too! I've fallen for this stereotype about Chinese people: they don't get mad, they get revenge. I almost never post on Friday evening because I think of those posts as belonging to Saturday. And I long ago stopped thinking in terms of 50 posts per week. I think in terms of 7 posts per day. Why do you think the neighbors drove by slowly watching you after the Zimmerman verdict? Holy Smoke? VERY edgy! I'd say the casting was brilliant in that movie. And I don't need to own it, the FF library lends it out! Good luck with the Nokia job (-: From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 15, 2013 11:04 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gayatri Mantra Around the World Which Gayatri? Since as you know there are a bunch of them and for different deities, but we can't expect the neophytes here to know that. And they can be made more powerful with samput. The more well known Gayatri is good for reducing kapha since can make your blood boil and hence must be treated with care.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gayatri Mantra Around the World
It's the regular Gayatri mantra Uncleji - I didn't even know there was such a thing until I came to America. My Hindu revivalist or actually initiatory movement initiated by my ex. Now that you mention multiple Gayatri's I recall this vista to an ashram in Nashville. There was this white Guru and he chanted the Devi Gayatri during the evening and I got really high, for the first time. Certainly lot of energy that guy created by his chanting - made me really hot and my ex thwarted my sexual overture during our overnight stay - bad woman :-). Same thing after Amma's darshan, she did relent some times though making sure she let me know how depraved I was for wanting sex after a holy darshan LOL. On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 9:04 AM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote: ** Which Gayatri? Since as you know there are a bunch of them and for different deities, but we can't expect the neophytes here to know that. And they can be made more powerful with samput. The more well known Gayatri is good for reducing kapha since can make your blood boil and hence must be treated with care. On 07/14/2013 10:15 PM, Ravi Chivukula wrote: Nice dear Emily. Every time I go to India my brother-in-law's like - God where's your sacred thread, you should at least chant Gayatri once a day - you are a Brahmin. I'm like - oh please. I have worn it only when I perform the annual departed soul ritual for my dad. Here's a picture of the fake Brahmin from Apr 2012 at Malibu Temple [image: Inline image 1] On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 7:05 PM, Emily Reyn emilymae.r...@yahoo.com wrote: ** Yes, it's mostly about Europe isn't it - eurocentric. I love her voice. -- *From:* raunchydog raunchy...@yahoo.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Sunday, July 14, 2013 5:51 PM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Gayatri Mantra Around the World --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlUsoWmso9U Beautiful voice. Africa and the Middle East are notably missing from the travelogue. Thanks for posting, em, very enjoyable.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gayatri Mantra Around the World
On 07/15/2013 11:15 AM, Share Long wrote: yep noozguru I remembered something from FFL, probably you, along those lines about Gayatri mantra so gave it a miss. I also heard it's especially boiling for grannys no matter how wonchi they are (-: Longer mantras take more time to get siddhi but then are far more powerful than a beej mantra. I used to read city-data. I think that's a forum. BTW, the NSA USA video was cute. Briefest of the brief too! I've fallen for this stereotype about Chinese people: they don't get mad, they get revenge. I almost never post on Friday evening because I think of those posts as belonging to Saturday. And I long ago stopped thinking in terms of 50 posts per week. I think in terms of 7 posts per day. Why do you think the neighbors drove by slowly watching you after the Zimmerman verdict? No, this was last year after I started walking over to the park around the corner. I used to drive to another park because around here you sometimes have to walk in the road due to lack of sidewalks on some blocks. Then the city put a track around the soccer/baseball field and so I walk it instead. It's just funny to have people watch you when I suspect I've lived here longer than them. Living in a neighborhood still pretty much like living in an apartment complex, you only know your immediate neighbors though some have gotten used to seeing me on my walks. Holy Smoke? VERY edgy! I'd say the casting was brilliant in that movie. And I don't need to own it, the FF library lends it out! Good luck with the Nokia job (-: Not interested. It's in San Francisco anyway which is not a good commute though not that far away. I did muse that the requirements are for C++ and Java. LinkedIn just sends out lists of job openings occasionally that fit one's profile. This one had several on it most of which were bad commutes. From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 15, 2013 11:04 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gayatri Mantra Around the World Which Gayatri? Since as you know there are a bunch of them and for different deities, but we can't expect the neophytes here to know that. And they can be made more powerful with samput. The more well known Gayatri is good for reducing kapha since can make your blood boil and hence must be treated with care.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gayatri Mantra Around the World
Yes, it's mostly about Europe isn't it - eurocentric. I love her voice. From: raunchydog raunchy...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2013 5:51 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gayatri Mantra Around the World --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlUsoWmso9U Beautiful voice. Africa and the Middle East are notably missing from the travelogue. Thanks for posting, em, very enjoyable.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gayatri Mantra (Savitr) 108 Repetitions
On 05/28/2012 08:03 AM, nablusoss1008 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanleyj_alexander_stanley@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008no_reply@ wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxa7Z6NCgqgfeature=share Nice! Beautiful Laxhmi ! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTdwrs_TzcA Useful for reducing kapha. Also on one of the Primordial Sounds tapes.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Jesus, Mantra of God'
These letter-similarities and linguistic derivations can be taken as elucidate language relationships but must not necessarily reveal any insights into the impact of mantras as such. Romantics regarding assumed holy meanings of so-called mantras seems to be okay but if not coping with consistency to its topic it will be an uncontrolled tool for nebulizing of to be properly comprehended consecutions and interrelations. - Original Message - From: R.G. To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 10:28 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Jesus, Mantra of God' (snip) No Coincidence: Jehova= JaiShiva Joshua = Jeshiwa= JaiShiwa Jesus = Jeshua = JaiShiwa Adam = Allahem = Adama (the undivided) = Atma = Allah = Eli = Elija OffWorld Ya, ya, das ist gut, ya
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Jesus, Mantra of God'
This might all be true, if you are living romance on the level of Being and not solely on the level of your daily unstable moods and imaginative thoughts. However what makes me suspicious in what you both say is, that there seems to be definitely a lack of genuine experience of pure Being, being inherent in your daily routine, otherwise you could not be in the position to talk in such an easy-going manner about an important subject of that kind. Of course it is principally possible to reach the moon by train or by walk even instead of using the typically appropriate means of a space ship or something similar, as long as you are not forced to put your cards on the table in order to minutely explain and justify, how you expect to reach there including description of the type of vehicle, road and estimated time frame. Free-style theorizing about mantras and your felt relation to them does not necessarily lead to useful and making sense hypotheses. Hagen - Original Message - From: nablusoss1008 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 3:16 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Jesus, Mantra of God' --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, R.G. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Without passion and some kind of romance, life is not worth much, or not experienced as joyful... Especially if you're not particulary interested in math, and can mathematically understand the mathmantics of Eistein's Theory of Relativity, or any of the Quantum Mechanical equations... So, different strokes for different folks... I was attempting to describe the value of the mantra, as a means of transportation, and the technique for using the mantra, which Maharishi has described quite adequately for us... Whatever you focus on, that will manifest in your life. And whatever your intention in, that will manifest in your life. Mantras are what they are, vibrations of life-supporting qualities, Which we use in Transcendental Meditation. Nicely written. And romance can obviously be a lot of different things. I have a lifelong romance with photography and music. Others are in love with women, Judy is in love with truthfullness, Rick with rumours, Jim with Guru Dev, The Turk with darkness and himself, and Cardemaister is in love with... Heaven knows. Anyway; Maharishis vision of the 200% of life are enjoyed in many different ways. The understanding that the relative and absolute values is the same reality is one of Maharishis greatest contributions. The only important thing is to be happy. - Maharishi
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Jesus, Mantra of God'
Incrimental development seems to be in your conception a coming close to 1 : 1 event in every state of unfoldment. Like as if turning itself to a big copy out of a small one, but looking basically the same. This is just wrong and against daily experience. Your theory sounds very simplifying and fundemtalistic, as if being always afraid of loosing the putative homeliness of a pictographic sight. It reminds me to the colourful pictures of haunting children's books, which seem to make the world become clearly arrangable. But the (human) unfoldment in contrast takes place so that every segment of its evolution represents a completely different reality. Look through what states of evolution as fish and reptile you have already been going in the womb, and all and above I think you will not want to directly compare your childhood-experiences 1 : 1 to those you have been gathering now as an adult as well. Maharishi in his commentary to the Bhagavadgita even confirms this fundamental insight by stating that each higher state of consciousness was based on a completely different quality of reality and could not be taken merely as a finer extension of the preceding one. Hagen - Original Message - From: off_world_beings To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 7:17 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Jesus, Mantra of God' --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hagen J. Holtz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: These letter-similarities and linguistic derivations can be taken as elucidate language relationships but must not necessarily reveal any insights into the impact of mantras as such. Romantics regarding assumed holy meanings of so-called mantras seems to be okay but if not coping with consistency to its topic it will be an uncontrolled tool for nebulizing of to be properly comprehended consecutions and interrelations. Your understanding of human language and how people in certain regions evolve it incrementally seems poorly developed and unschooled. PS. If the Vedas and evolution is as fragile as you are claiming, here then we can forget the whole thing and close up the universe and go back to sleep. Nothing can stop the engulfing of man. OffWorld - Original Message - From: R.G. To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 10:28 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Jesus, Mantra of God' (snip) No Coincidence: Jehova= JaiShiva Joshua = Jeshiwa= JaiShiwa Jesus = Jeshua = JaiShiwa Adam = Allahem = Adama (the undivided) = Atma = Allah = Eli = Elija OffWorld Ya, ya, das ist gut, ya
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Jesus, Mantra of God'
I am fully agreeing to what you state now further on. But the question was much earlier in the discussion, whether any good mantra coming along like Jeshua or Jesus or whatever it was, would lead to the same or even enhanced effect of transcending in comparison to TM. And my answer to it was clearly no, because such an opinion would not allow us to take any recourse to the reality of the very mechanisms of mantras, which cannot be chosen or evaluated on the basis of good feelings along with them or because of any subjective emotional attributes like holiness or so. The procedure on the other hand is much more jejune. - Original Message - From: R.G. To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 8:33 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Jesus, Mantra of God' --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hagen J. Holtz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Incrimental development seems to be in your conception a coming close to 1 : 1 event in every state of unfoldment. Like as if turning itself to a big copy out of a small one, but looking basically the same. This is just wrong and against daily experience. Your theory sounds very simplifying and fundemtalistic, as if being always afraid of loosing the putative homeliness of a pictographic sight. It reminds me to the colourful pictures of haunting children's books, which seem to make the world become clearly arrangable. But the (human) unfoldment in contrast takes place so that every segment of its evolution represents a completely different reality. Look through what states of evolution as fish and reptile you have already been going in the womb, and all and above I think you will not want to directly compare your childhood-experiences 1 : 1 to those you have been gathering now as an adult as well. Maharishi in his commentary to the Bhagavadgita even confirms this fundamental insight by stating that each higher state of consciousness was based on a completely different quality of reality and could not be taken merely as a finer extension of the preceding one. Hagen I'm not sure what you are talking about. I was talking about transcending, and using mantras for the purpose of transcending... As well, in addition to transcending, a way to explore the finest relative, based in higher vibrations of sound and light, which is located at the finest level. We learn this with the Sidhis, and the concept that 'God' works... Or 'Natural Law' , 'Works', at the quietest, most subtle levels. That is why Obama is getting so much accomplished, Because he knows how to work at the subtlest level. We are moving from the literal 'Gross!!!' To a finer level of reality, the collective consciousness, Of the entire planet, on all levels, Releasing much Karma, individual and collective, Especially when the finer realms are activated by direct experience... This makes it easier for everyone else to activate the 'Light of Consciousness' So, let go and let God. Take it as it comes. Be Still and Know That I am God. Give Peace a Chance. Add your own advice... R.G.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Jesus, Mantra of God'
R.G., your thesis that Jesus would be the sound closest to God seems to me like a claim directly out of mere mythology and not really science-based, saying only: You may believe it or not. If you speak of sound quality according to vedic terms, the evaluation of the worth of mantras would be a question of various aspects of form of vibration, which may vary according to the state of manifestation (from finer to grosser states of sound for example in an eventually mathematically traceable manner). And the instrument in order to measure these states may vary from inner hearing up to profane physical hearing. I confess that these terms of description may also lack in precision (at least in the beginning of finding a common language or understanding of what we talk about), but they show at least an effort to distinguish between certain layers of vibrational expression, not throwing and mixing all forms and contents in one pot of mere believe and leveling. Regarding this matter vedic literature seems to offer sufficient appendages. MMY himself was speaking of mantras, who are better for meditation against others who are more applicable for chanting for example. But there are even more refined categorizations possible. Each mantra has its own realm of influence. It would be worthwhile to find out the matching points between them and their layers of influence. Due to the fact that according to vedic terms there is nothing, which is not divine, it seems to be a ridiculous fight to ask, which (mantra) might be closer to God and which not. Regarding your general dogma thesis, it is funny to hear, what ancient saying was, because it can pass only through the filter of what we are able to derive out of it now as interpretation. The so-called unspoken transcendendence is according to my opinion a great illusion because there is nothing unspeakable, unless we would ignore the fundamentals of mind-recognition. The so-called transcendence is only the aura of the manifest, but totally bound to the same, otherwise there would be no sense at all. The so-called relative vice versa absolute are just the two sides of one coin and can never be separated from each other. That is the reason why MMY taught us to fill the relative up with the subtle energy of the absolute, so that once we can see the latter shining bright while being framed in an (almost) perfect relative form. However to speak of mere transcendence as something unspoken is as senseless as if speaking of warmth without considering the opposite of it simultaneously, means coldness. Hagen - Original Message - From: R.G. To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 5:40 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Jesus, Mantra of God' (snip) even better than what MMY had been teaching ! Hagen I am implying that if someone has a problem with the bija mantras, which Maharishi uses; Then, Since the name/form in the bija is a sound... The closest sound or vibration, would be the name of Jesus... Jesus is a Roman name. Yeshua, was the name, and the sound which could be used, as a mantra. or Elocheem, in the same way. It's more of the sound quality, that I am referring to. In Mararishi's TM, is not the meaning of the mantra, that is important. It is the intention to think a sound, in a particular way, to transcend. The problem with religion, is the dogma, which prevents transcendence. So, in truth, the name of God can't be spoken, like the Ancient One's said. Because God is Transcendent. That is why one commandment has to do with worshiping idols. There is no idol that can represent God. But God can be found through Transcendence. R.G.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Jesus, Mantra of God'
R.G., now I get your point. You think the effect of a mantra, - and that could be any suitable word -, to which you feel a special inclination, would be good enough to come closer to God. This seems to me to be only a romantic idea based on the assumption that transcending was only a question of comfort, confidence and good vibrations. But this theory is too simple in order to give justice to the vedic approach. Here the criteria for transcending are based on spota, the science about ideal grammar of (or) form. Example: The word table, in German Tisch and in Latin tabula may have the same meaning but different forms. Spota will teach the criteria for choosing the ideal form, which allows only one sound associatable with one particular meaning. The well-meant idea that any good sound or good meaning, associated with God, would be good enough to create the same result like TM will definitely lead to a dead end. Therefore telling a school-class, that they could take anything that comforts them in order to avoid confrontation with Indian culture is as stupid as saying, if you do not like Einstein's theory about relativity, because it is jewish, then take any other theory out of your cultural vicinity, which comes closest to his thoughts. :-))) Hagen
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Jesus, Mantra of God'
Does the fact that it seemed to have been an instruction automatically imply, that it had sufficient authentic strength not to doubt in its very mentally-scientific mechanics as such ? Please explain the details, why such a mantra ought to have been good enough or even better than what MMY had been teaching ! Hagen - Original Message - From: sparaig To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 9:28 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Jesus, Mantra of God' --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hagen J. Holtz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Aleging that Jesus was the mantra to God sounds to me like as if stemming from a child, raising a steer-similar toy on a couch while making brumm, brumm and being totally absorbed in its phantasy to be a cool driver of a car. It is funny and causing concern at the same time, how religious thought tries to adopt half-understood spiritual tools in order to give its whole crankiness a more (obviously necessary) sophisticated shape. By no other name shall you know Him sounds like an instruction for which mantra to use, in a meditation context, assuming that there was such a thing 2000 years ago. Lawson
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: the mantra
In a message dated 8/1/2007 1:41:35 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com)
, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Just what I want, a mantra empowered by the shakti of
willytext!
You might try Nuck'n Futs After a few hundred reps it might give
you your answer!
It is not the mantra that is most important, the way it is selected or the
Puja. It is the energy behind these things. Nuck'n Futs will not work if
your in a Nuck'n Futs energy additude. Love and Light.
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 8/1/2007 1:12:42 P.M. Eastern
Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I teach a technique called AstroVedic Meditation
for $150.00. A mantra is
selected from the birth information. It can be
taught over the phone also. A
follow up consultation a week later to answer
further questions and a CD for
listening in the first week to make sure the
practice is going well. It
differs from TM because the mantra is selected from
the birth information. TM
teachers are not astrologically trained. There is no
need for a puja so the
religious part of the practice is left solely up to
the person who is learning.
For more information on me go to _Astrological
Varieties_
(_http://www.yogavisihttp://www.y_ (http://www.yogavisionaries.com/) ) I
can be reached
at 641-469-3521 if you have interest and need
more questions asked.
Bhairitu wrote:
Of course you can get good meditation techniques
for less
than that these days.
Which meditation techniques do you consider to be
good? Are
they easy and simple to learn? Can they help a
person learn
to transcend? Do they include free checking for
life? And,
where would a person get them these days and where
would
all the money go? Can you be specific?
At my age, I'm not much interested in left-handed
basket-weaving or memorizing a bunch of non-sense
syllables
or sitting in a locked-leg position concentrating on
the tip
of my nose. It costs a lot of money to take a Tony
Robbins
course or get audited by a Scientologist.
It costs over $1500 just to take a one day computer
course
these days. The average tuition for university is
over
$15,000 per semester. Cigarettes or cable TV could
cost
a person thousands of dollars a year. So, learning
TM to be able to relax for $2,500 seems like a
bargain to
me, as long as you don't turn it into a guru cult
like you
and some others did.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: the mantra
In a message dated 8/2/2007 1:27:37 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
snip
You might try Nuck'n Futs After a few hundred reps it might give
you your answer!
It is not the mantra that is most important, the way it is
selected or the
Puja. It is the energy behind these things. Nuck'n Futs will not
work if
your in a Nuck'n Futs energy attitude. Love and Light.
Speaking of Nuck'n Futs, MMY has only 29 days left to fulfill your
prediction right? The countdown begins Lou!
Yes. It was Saint Anthony that predicted MMY passing over in July or
August. I told Saint Anthony that i was getting November 21st or 22nd of 2007.
He
said
Well your just a few months off. I see him passing over in July or August
due to problems with the chest and lungs area. So- if he does not pass over
in the next 29 days Saint Anthony needs a tune up. If he doesn't pass away on
November 21st or 22nd I need a tune up. So many people have tried to predict
MMY death and MMY seems to outlast everyone.
Go to Maharishichannel.org and click on the 24 hour puja for Guru Dev. You
can see that Maharishi's skin is smooth and he looks great for his age with
all of his hard work but he does feel like he is in and out at this time in
preparation for exiting out of this world.
All of the bottles of what appears to be perfume and elephant figures,
crystal castle in the middle surrounded by flags in gold fixtures. Regardless
of
how enlightened everyone thinks he is he will have to leave these toys of
structure behind. Life's a bitch. JGD Love and Light.
--- Lsoma@ wrote:
In a message dated 8/1/2007 1:12:42 P.M. Eastern
Daylight Time,
willytex@ writes:
I teach a technique called AstroVedic Meditation
for $150.00. A mantra is
selected from the birth information. It can be
taught over the phone also. A
follow up consultation a week later to answer
further questions and a CD for
listening in the first week to make sure the
practice is going well. It
differs from TM because the mantra is selected from
the birth information. TM
teachers are not astrologically trained. There is no
need for a puja so the
religious part of the practice is left solely up to
the person who is learning.
For more information on me go to _Astrological
Varieties_
(__http://www.yogavisihttp://www.ht_ (http://www.yogavisihttp://www.y_)
(_http://www.yogavisihttp://www.y_ (http://www.yogavisionaries.com/) ) ) I
can be reached
at 641-469-3521 if you have interest and need
more questions asked.
Bhairitu wrote:
Of course you can get good meditation techniques
for less
than that these days.
Which meditation techniques do you consider to be
good? Are
they easy and simple to learn? Can they help a
person learn
to transcend? Do they include free checking for
life? And,
where would a person get them these days and where
would
all the money go? Can you be specific?
At my age, I'm not much interested in left-handed
basket-weaving or memorizing a bunch of non-sense
syllables
or sitting in a locked-leg position concentrating on
the tip
of my nose. It costs a lot of money to take a Tony
Robbins
course or get audited by a Scientologist.
It costs over $1500 just to take a one day computer
course
these days. The average tuition for university is
over
$15,000 per semester. Cigarettes or cable TV could
cost
a person thousands of dollars a year. So, learning
TM to be able to relax for $2,500 seems like a
bargain to
me, as long as you don't turn it into a guru cult
like you
and some others did.
WBR**
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: the mantra
In a message dated 8/2/2007 3:18:51 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com) , [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Go to Maharishichannel. Go to Maharishichannel.WBRorg and clic Guru Dev. You can see that Maharishi's skin is smooth and he looks great for his age with all of his hard work He does look pretty good. Sits up straight, his hands are steady as a rock, appears to know exactly what he's doing. I have the feeling he can hardly see, though. but he does feel like he is in and out at this time in preparation for exiting out of this world. He does look a bit ethereal, as if his focus is completely internal. And there has always been something about MMY energy that helps us to understand what it means to commit to our practice. He looks as one pointed about his devotion to Guru Deva as he was when the headlights shinned on Guru Deva's face when he first knew this was his teacher. Even though there is that attachment that he has, he made a choice and that choice of commitment stood the test of time. His expression of wisdom and that royal energy of Leo (he has his Moon in Leo) is so magnetic. And if he goes, when he wants to go he has left behind teachers who will continue the journey regardless of weather they are in his organization or not. Lsoma. ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: the mantra
In a message dated 8/2/2007 5:16:25 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yes. And there is the answer for expansion to the next level. As long as MMY is alive and provides the entertainment then things will never expand. As hard as it is for me to see him go (it is going to be very hard for me as I have also lost my first and only marriage recently of 15 years), the show must go on. The present moment is all I have left of every second, of every minute, ect. The true Guru is the fullness of silence that started this whole journey. Even after he is gone I'm sure the entertainment will continue but that will die out. Until then I will cry, laugh, sing, cook, be bored and someday will come to completely except that its all just a feeling. Feelings change all of the time. The only thing that is not changing is the silence in the present moment. Humanity is coming to realize it is the only thing left that is not going wrong in there lives. Just simplicity in the present moment. That is the message I heard last night at the Wednesday satsang meeting here in Fairfield. Thank you Rick Archer for giving me that extra nudge to participate. Lsoma. Personally I hope he never dies. He is much more entertaining to me while living. I think the prediction business is ethically flawed but I'm happy to see you standing behind your own predictions. Let's hope you are wrong and in my happiness for MMY not dying I forget to be too much of a dick about your prediction! Yes. It was Saint Anthony that predicted MMY passing over in July or August. I told Saint Anthony that i was getting November 21st or 22nd of 2007. He said Well your just a few months off. I see him passing over in July or August due to problems with the chest and lungs area. So- if he does not pass over in the next 29 days Saint Anthony needs a tune up. If he doesn't pass away on November 21st or 22nd I need a tune up. So many people have tried to predict MMY death and MMY seems to outlast everyone. Go to Maharishichannel. Go to Maharishichannel.WBRorg and c Dev. You can see that Maharishi's skin is smooth and he looks great for his age with all of his hard work but he does feel like he is in and out at this time in preparation for exiting out of this world. All of the bottles of what appears to be perfume and elephant figures, crystal castle in the middle surrounded by flags in gold fixtures. Regardless of how enlightened everyone thinks he is he will have to leave these toys of structure behind. Life's a bitch. JGD Love and Light. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com) , [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/2/2007 1:27:37 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, curtisdeltablues@ curtisdelt snip You might try Nuck'n Futs After a few hundred reps it might give you your answer! It is not the mantra that is most important, the way it is selected or the Puja. It is the energy behind these things. Nuck'n Futs will not work if your in a Nuck'n Futs energy attitude. Love and Light. Speaking of Nuck'n Futs, MMY has only 29 days left to fulfill your prediction right? The countdown begins Lou! Yes. It was Saint Anthony that predicted MMY passing over in July or August. I told Saint Anthony that i was getting November 21st or 22nd of 2007. He said Well your just a few months off. I see him passing over in July or August due to problems with the chest and lungs area. So- if he does not pass over in the next 29 days Saint Anthony needs a tune up. If he doesn't pass away on November 21st or 22nd I need a tune up. So many people have tried to predict MMY death and MMY seems to outlast everyone. Go to Maharishichannel. Go to Maharishichannel.WBRorg and click on Dev. You can see that Maharishi's skin is smooth and he looks great for his age with all of his hard work but he does feel like he is in and out at this time in preparation for exiting out of this world. All of the bottles of what appears to be perfume and elephant figures, crystal castle in the middle surrounded by flags in gold fixtures. Regardless of how enlightened everyone thinks he is he will have to leave these toys of structure behind. Life's a bitch. JGD Love and Light. --- Lsoma@ wrote: In a message dated 8/1/2007 1:12:42 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, willytex@ writes: I teach a technique called AstroVedic Meditation for $150.00. A mantra is selected from the birth information. It can be taught over the phone also. A follow up consultation a week later to answer further questions and a CD for listening in the first week to make sure the practice is going well. It differs from TM because the mantra is selected from the birth information. TM teachers are not
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: the mantra
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 5:12 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: the mantra In a message dated 8/2/2007 5:16:25 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Just simplicity in the present moment. That is the message I heard last night at the Wednesday satsang meeting here in Fairfield. Thank you Rick Archer for giving me that extra nudge to participate. Lsoma. I had a feeling you’d like it. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.2/931 - Release Date: 8/1/2007 4:53 PM
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: the mantra
In a message dated 8/1/2007 1:12:42 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I teach a technique called AstroVedic Meditation for $150.00. A mantra is selected from the birth information. It can be taught over the phone also. A follow up consultation a week later to answer further questions and a CD for listening in the first week to make sure the practice is going well. It differs from TM because the mantra is selected from the birth information. TM teachers are not astrologically trained. There is no need for a puja so the religious part of the practice is left solely up to the person who is learning. For more information on me go to _Astrological Varieties_ (http://www.yogavisionaries.com/) I can be reached at 641-469-3521 if you have interest and need more questions asked. Bhairitu wrote: Of course you can get good meditation techniques for less than that these days. Which meditation techniques do you consider to be good? Are they easy and simple to learn? Can they help a person learn to transcend? Do they include free checking for life? And, where would a person get them these days and where would all the money go? Can you be specific? At my age, I'm not much interested in left-handed basket-weaving or memorizing a bunch of non-sense syllables or sitting in a locked-leg position concentrating on the tip of my nose. It costs a lot of money to take a Tony Robbins course or get audited by a Scientologist. It costs over $1500 just to take a one day computer course these days. The average tuition for university is over $15,000 per semester. Cigarettes or cable TV could cost a person thousands of dollars a year. So, learning TM to be able to relax for $2,500 seems like a bargain to me, as long as you don't turn it into a guru cult like you and some others did. ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
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Just what I want, a mantra empowered by the shakti of willytext! --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/1/2007 1:12:42 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I teach a technique called AstroVedic Meditation for $150.00. A mantra is selected from the birth information. It can be taught over the phone also. A follow up consultation a week later to answer further questions and a CD for listening in the first week to make sure the practice is going well. It differs from TM because the mantra is selected from the birth information. TM teachers are not astrologically trained. There is no need for a puja so the religious part of the practice is left solely up to the person who is learning. For more information on me go to _Astrological Varieties_ (http://www.yogavisionaries.com/) I can be reached at 641-469-3521 if you have interest and need more questions asked. Bhairitu wrote: Of course you can get good meditation techniques for less than that these days. Which meditation techniques do you consider to be good? Are they easy and simple to learn? Can they help a person learn to transcend? Do they include free checking for life? And, where would a person get them these days and where would all the money go? Can you be specific? At my age, I'm not much interested in left-handed basket-weaving or memorizing a bunch of non-sense syllables or sitting in a locked-leg position concentrating on the tip of my nose. It costs a lot of money to take a Tony Robbins course or get audited by a Scientologist. It costs over $1500 just to take a one day computer course these days. The average tuition for university is over $15,000 per semester. Cigarettes or cable TV could cost a person thousands of dollars a year. So, learning TM to be able to relax for $2,500 seems like a bargain to me, as long as you don't turn it into a guru cult like you and some others did. ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. http://travel.yahoo.com/
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In a message dated 8/1/2007 1:30:49 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Googie, Googie. JGD
Just what I want, a mantra empowered by the shakti of
willytext!
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
In a message dated 8/1/2007 1:12:42 P.M. Eastern
Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) writes:
I teach a technique called AstroVedic Meditation
for $150.00. A mantra is
selected from the birth information. It can be
taught over the phone also. A
follow up consultation a week later to answer
further questions and a CD for
listening in the first week to make sure the
practice is going well. It
differs from TM because the mantra is selected from
the birth information. TM
teachers are not astrologically trained. There is no
need for a puja so the
religious part of the practice is left solely up to
the person who is learning.
For more information on me go to _Astrological
Varieties_
(_http://www.yogavisihttp://www.y_ (http://www.yogavisionaries.com/) ) I
can be reached
at 641-469-3521 if you have interest and need
more questions asked.
Bhairitu wrote:
Of course you can get good meditation techniques
for less
than that these days.
Which meditation techniques do you consider to be
good? Are
they easy and simple to learn? Can they help a
person learn
to transcend? Do they include free checking for
life? And,
where would a person get them these days and where
would
all the money go? Can you be specific?
At my age, I'm not much interested in left-handed
basket-weaving or memorizing a bunch of non-sense
syllables
or sitting in a locked-leg position concentrating on
the tip
of my nose. It costs a lot of money to take a Tony
Robbins
course or get audited by a Scientologist.
It costs over $1500 just to take a one day computer
course
these days. The average tuition for university is
over
$15,000 per semester. Cigarettes or cable TV could
cost
a person thousands of dollars a year. So, learning
TM to be able to relax for $2,500 seems like a
bargain to
me, as long as you don't turn it into a guru cult
like you
and some others did.
WB
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On Aug 1, 2007, at 1:11 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote: Bhairitu wrote: Of course you can get good meditation techniques for less than that these days. Which meditation techniques do you consider to be good? Are they easy and simple to learn? Can they help a person learn to transcend? Do they include free checking for life? And, where would a person get them these days and where would all the money go? Can you be specific? At my age, I'm not much interested in left-handed basket-weaving or memorizing a bunch of non-sense syllables or sitting in a locked-leg position concentrating on the tip of my nose. It costs a lot of money to take a Tony Robbins course or get audited by a Scientologist. It costs over $1500 just to take a one day computer course these days. The average tuition for university is over $15,000 per semester. Cigarettes or cable TV could cost a person thousands of dollars a year. So, learning TM to be able to relax for $2,500 seems like a bargain to me, as long as you don't turn it into a guru cult like you and some others did. Here's a better bargain: Please plan to join us for the Ahimsa Center meditation retreat with Dr. B. Alan Wallace. The Retreat, Balancing the Heart and the Mind, will take place at Cal Poly Pomona, Bronco Student Center on the weekend of August 11 and 12. In this retreat we will focus on two methods for meditative quiescence, or shamatha. We will begin with the practice of mindfulness of the breathing--an effective approach to soothing the body and calming the discursive mind. We will then explore an approach to shamatha that is particularly pertinent for meditative practice called “settling the mind in its natural state.” The attainment of shamatha is widely regarded in the Buddhist tradition as an indispensable foundation for the cultivation of contemplative insight (vipashyana), and this retreat is designed to provide participants with a sufficient theoretical understanding and a basis in experience to enable them to proceed effectively toward this extraordinary state of mental and physical balance. In addition, instruction will be offered on the cultivation of the four immeasurables–loving-kindness, compassion, empathetic joy, and equanimity. They are so called, for the development of these qualities of the heart that can break down all barriers that are created by attachment and aversion, opening our hearts boundlessly to all beings. This retreat will be valuable for college faculty and students, school teachers, business and community leaders, peace workers, mediators and other professionals who are interested in achieving balance and harmony in their lives. Members: $105, Nonmemeber: $125 For more information, including accommodation, please visit : http://www.csupomona.edu/~ahimsacenter/retreat/retreat_aug_07.html Tara Sethia, Ph.D. Director, Ahimsa Center Professor, History Department California State Polytechnic University 3801 West Temple Avenue Pomona, CA 91768 Phone (909) 869 3868 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.csupomona.edu/ahimsacenter
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Robert Gimbel wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dude or dudette, Welcome and are you serious or are you a troll? --- new7892001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Just wondering, how much does a mantra cost these days? When I got my first one (the second one from Maharishi himself, in 1971) I could manage financially. But now I heard that it costs around 2.500 dollars, (though there is discount for families). If so, why so expensive? Is it only for the well-to-do folks? Best wishes, j.-- http://groups.yahoo.com/group/J-Krishnamurti_andLife/ Gee Whiz, I remember when gasoline was way under a dollar a gallon. Cigarettes cost 30 cents a pack. A house cost less than $15,000. You could get a new car for under $2000. Oh Well! Bring back those good ol' days... Those lazy, hazy, crazy days, of summer... Before, I-Pods, internet, and Bush. oops, I forgot, hard to get back, until we get that time machine going... Let's see I bought a new Datsun wagon in 1973 for about $2200. The same year I learned TM for $75. Today you can buy a Versa from Nissan for around $15,000 which is about the equivalent of my 73 wagon though much safer and better designed as well as more fuel efficient. That is a little about 7 times the price of the 73 wagon. By those calculations TM should cost a little over $500 these days. Of course you can get good meditation techniques for less than that these days.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Electronic mantra chanting machine
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Electronic mantra chanting machine on 6/21/06 10:43 AM, nablus108 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And listening to mantras starting with OM is OK with you ? I use a mantra with OM in it. Have been for several years. Material and spiritual well-being have improved significantly during this period. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
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Rick Archer wrote: on 6/21/06 10:43 AM, nablus108 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And listening to mantras starting with OM is OK with you ? I use a mantra with OM in it. Have been for several years. Material and spiritual well-being have improved significantly during this period. Me too. In fact I use a lot of mantras in my practice with OM in them. I was broke practicing TM and started being prosperous once I dropped it and used mantras with OM. Somebody should do a study on this. But I doubt if the TMO would. :) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Lik1AB/fOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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In the technique we teach we let people listen to music or mantras on CD, mp3 or tape if they actually don't want to sit and meditate on a mantra. TurquoiseB wrote: Neat. Reminds me of Tibetan prayer wheels. High tech sadhana. And who is to say that it doesn't work? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Electronic mantra chanting machine This compact electronic mantra chanting machine has 36 mantras to choose from. The mantras are: 1. Om Maha Ganapathi 2. Om Nama Shivaya 3. Jeya Jeya Shankara 4. Om Arunachaleshwaraya 5. Om Maha Mritunjaya 6. Om 7. Om Saravana Bhava 8. Om Subramanyaya 9 to 18. Navagraha Mantras 19. Rama Rama Jaya 20. Hare Rama Hare Krishna 21. Om Anjaneya Namaha 22. Om Saranam Ayyappa 23. Om Sri Raghavendraya 24. Shanthi Manthram 25. Om Namo Narayana 26. Om Namo Venkatesaya 27. Suprabatham 28. Om Namo Bhagavathe Vasudevaya 29. Dhanvanthri Manthram 30. Amme Narayana 31. Gayathri Manthra 32. Om Sakthi Om 33. Om Lakshmi Pathaye 34. Om Saraswathyai Namaha 35. Om Durgayai Namaha 36. All in one (36 manthras) You may choose to play one single mantra or all the 36 mantras in a series. You may also regulate the volume. Compact size and excellent sound quality. Ideal for meditation or to create a great atmosphere at your home or workplace. This Mantra chanting machine costs you only US$14.99 Shipping charges to your address will be extra. Ships in two days after placing the order. This chanting machine can be an ideal gift to a friend, to your parents or even to a temple. To place your order write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/iDk17A/hOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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I thought it was pretty hilarious no matter who was doing it. In fact, at first I was sure it was some kind of joke. Guess the joke's on me, though, cause it appears to be real. Sal On Jun 21, 2006, at 11:22 AM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Neat. Reminds me of Tibetan prayer wheels. High tech sadhana. And who is to say that it doesn't work? (Can you *imagine* the hilarity if it were MMY marketing an electronic mantra-chanting machine?)
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Alex Stanley wrote: on 6/21/06 10:43 AM, nablus108 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And listening to mantras starting with OM is OK with you ? There are OMs in some of the recordings of Vedic chanting that the TMO sells. I think the TMO's whole Anti-OM! Anti-OM! schtick is either a misunderstanding or just plain bollocks. I think it is something MMY made up to separate TM from other teachings. I'd love someone to prove me wrong though by pointing to some ancient text that says otherwise. However every Indian I've ever mentioned the OM thing to looked incredulous at me with wide eyes that anyone would teach mantras without OM. snip Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Lik1AB/fOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Electronic mantra chanting machine
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Electronic mantra chanting machine on 6/21/06 3:16 PM, Bhairitu at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think it is something MMY made up to separate TM from other teachings. I'd love someone to prove me wrong though by pointing to some ancient text that says otherwise. However every Indian I've ever mentioned the OM thing to looked incredulous at me with wide eyes that anyone would teach mantras without OM. Both Amma and Karunamayi emphasize the importance of OM in a mantra. I asked Amma about it and she gave me a 10-15 answer, but Id have to ask my wife or other friends who were there to refresh my memory on all the points. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Electronic mantra chanting machine
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Electronic mantra chanting machine on 6/21/06 3:36 PM, abutilon108 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I use a mantra with OM in it. Have been for several years. Material and spiritual well-being have improved significantly during this period. I tried to post this and it doesn't seem to have appeared so I'm trying again -- sorry if a repeat post comes through. My question to Rick is how he uses the mantra. Wondering if the difference is in how it is used rather than the mantra itself? (Or maybe just stoppping using the former mantra was beneficial!) I use it TM-style, including advanced technique with attention in the heart area, and sometimes japa-style: mentally while doing mundane tasks, riding my bike, etc. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
