[FairfieldLife] Re: Photo proof positive of Pundit project.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, benjaminccollins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I read somewhere that MMY is wanting to do the Sudarshana Yagya. The main Sudarshana mantra called Sudarshana Mula Mantra. It is about 20 lines long. Is it, perchance, from Rgveda? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Paul Mason, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, Guru Dev, TM the TMO
I have received an email that asks me to outline my position on
matters currently under discussion on TM newsgroups:-
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TMNEWS/
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.meditation.transcendental
As many of you are already aware, I am the author of 'The Maharishi:
The Biography of the Man Who Gave Transcendental Meditation to the
World', currently viewable at http://www.paulmason.info/
My relationship with the subjects in question i.e. Guru Dev, MMY, TM
and the TMO remain pretty constant. That is to say I continue to
monitor events, review statements in the light of fresh discoveries
and get inspired when I hear genuine spiritual wisdom. If that
inspiration comes from MMY, fine, if it comes from Guru Dev, fine,
and if it comes from anywhere else that's fine too. Unlike `movement'
types I can admire the outpourings of any saint or cynic without
feeling a divided loyalty or worrying that it might be reported.
Contrary to the suggestions of certain posters, I don't have any
hidden agenda that at some time will be exposed! I have no links with
anyone I know to be an 'enemy' of MMY. Although I have quoted
Shankaracharya of Dwarka, Swami Swaroopanand Saraswati, a strong
critic of MMY, I have never met him, never had any exchanges with him
nor am likely to. However, I have met with someone of a slightly
similar name, Baba Roopanand - a dear old sadhu.
http://www.paulmason.info/mala/roopanand.htm
The strongest criticisms I have so far received on my own writings
(in over 10 years) coincidentally come from Ms Stein [who admits to
have done no more than skip through my biography of MMY] Mr
Brigante, who has stooped to making libellous statements on TMNEWS
about myself and the highly respected holy man Dandi Swami Narayanand
Saraswati.
http://www.paulmason.info/mala/narayanand.htm
http://www.hinduismtoday.com/archives/1995/8/1995-8-04.shtml
http://www.paulmason.info/mala/synopsis.htm
Re: Current news of TMO yagya in India.
As appears that Guru Dev did not initiate the oft-referred to
Mahayagna prior to the cessation of WW2, but was invited to
participate, which he is said to have done. Apparently there is an
article in a publication ('Time'?) contemporaneous with the event
which names another Shankaracharya as officiating!?
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Purusha-Prakriti and Hiranyagarbha (Corrections to Gunas Hir.)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (one small snip for a man; one giant snip for Mankind.) Now: as this model shows the movement entirely one way, from the bottom up, I believe it is only half the picture: the time-flow of Prakriti. It appears that from Purusha's point of view, time flows in reverse. Spirit and Matter are one -- the same substance -- just polar opposites in Time-space-flow. This didn't ring completely right, and on closer look I remember that the inward, upward flow within the torus-Hiranyagarbha from Sattva to Rajas to Tamas (i.e., Blue Shiva funneling into Yellow point-Brahma and funneling out to Red Rudra) described above IS Purusha, the inner core or Spirit-flow of Wholeness, whereas the emergence of the Wholeness out the top of Red Shiva/Rudra and flowing out and around the Golden body of the sphere down into Blue Vishnu/Indra again, from Tamas to Rajas to Sattva, IS Prakriti, the Matter-flow aspect of Wholeness. Thus we have the reverse currents of Spirit and Matter flowing simultaneously, depending on whether one looks inside or outside. One is empty up one's middle (the hollow core of the torus), but the double-cone or chalice of inner Purusha does flow up and out to form a fine skin of outer Prakriti (the outer film of the torus), though again inside (as well as outside) this skin is only nothing. Again, in my experience anyhow all of this is viewed even this clearly (FWIW) only AFTER one has fully completed one's first run- through. When we are still inside this process it is MUCH less obvious what exactly is going on. Beyond or other than this Purusha-Prakriti, as far as I can see at this point, anyhow, there is nothing. I have found nothing new in the 15 years or so since M.C. first revealed itself -- but going back into the whole thing repeatedly over the years has revealed much more refinement of detail and Self-Knowledge within this form. Along these same lines: what Shannon has written is absolutely correct -- other than Brahman, all the states of consciousness are merely delusions or maya or ego. I wrote this myself a few days back when trying to verify and clarify (what a laugh) some people's Understanding of paradoxical-Brahman. On the other hand (and there is ALWAYS an other hand in Brahman *lol*), knowing all this is THAT *can* unfold the realization that since this is true, even the ego must be THAT; even maya must be THAT, and thus the question: How does THAT imagine the so-called relative into existence? From this come the further unfoldments of K.C., S.C., and M.C. -- all still simply Brahman, yet now Brahman examining the process of looking at itself; Brahman exploring its apparent dimensional play; Brahman with a twist. But there is always a choice as to whether one wishes to unfold further comprehension of maya or Mastery, or simply to remain in undifferentiated THAT. Wholeness supports either choice. In fact, this brings up a really interesting point -- Wholeness whole-heartedly supports ALL the states of consciousness -- this is why each one feels so self-sufficient. There is absolutely nothing which says one HAS to move right along from T.C. to C.C. to G.C. to U.C. and so forth. The apparent movement or growth from one to the other is an illusion anyhow -- just a matter of our abstracting the relevant information we need out of the bloomin' confusion, or all- inclusive paradox that we are, to support our current state of consciousness. We move right along in -- or pay attention to -- apparent progress and growth until we intuitively feel we are done. At that point, we have found our right place for this time, and are serving our perfect part in the greater whole -- which whether we choose to know it or not, is just ourselves also. All aboard the Hiranyagarbha! (It's the best free-ride in RoryLand.) :-) Also, if we are to view Brahman-Consciousness as the real C.C., and Krishna-Consciousness as the real G.C., and Shiva- Consciousness as the real Unity, and Maharishi-Consciousness as the real Brahman, then what we had known as T.C. would be real coma; C.C. would be real sleep; G.C. would be real dreaming, U.C. would be real waking state. From the point of view of Brahman, anyhow, this is as good a view as any, albeit a bit confusing perhaps for those playing at ignorance that all this is THAT. LLL, R. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purusha-Prakriti and Hiranyagarbha (Corrections to Gunas Hir.)
Gah. Wrote Blue Shiva; should be Blue Vishnu/Indra, as below: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (one small snip for a man; one giant snip for Mankind.) Now: as this model shows the movement entirely one way, from the bottom up, I believe it is only half the picture: the time-flow of Prakriti. It appears that from Purusha's point of view, time flows in reverse. Spirit and Matter are one -- the same substance -- just polar opposites in Time-space-flow. This didn't ring completely right, and on closer look I remember that the inward, upward flow within the torus-Hiranyagarbha from Sattva to Rajas to Tamas (i.e., Blue Vishnu/Indra funneling into Yellow point-Brahma and funneling out to Red Rudra/Shiva) described above IS Purusha, the inner core or Spirit-flow of Wholeness, whereas the emergence of the Wholeness out the top of Red Shiva/Rudra and flowing out and around the Golden body of the sphere down into Blue Vishnu/Indra again, from Tamas to Rajas to Sattva, IS Prakriti, the Matter-flow aspect of Wholeness. Thus we have the reverse currents of Spirit and Matter flowing simultaneously, depending on whether one looks inside or outside. One is empty up one's middle (the hollow core of the torus), but the double-cone or chalice of inner Purusha does flow up and out to form a fine skin of outer Prakriti (the outer film of the torus), though again inside (as well as outside) this skin is only nothing. Again, in my experience anyhow all of this is viewed even this clearly (FWIW) only AFTER one has fully completed one's first run- through. When we are still inside this process it is MUCH less obvious what exactly is going on. Beyond or other than this Purusha-Prakriti, as far as I can see at this point, anyhow, there is nothing. I have found nothing new in the 15 years or so since M.C. first revealed itself -- but going back into the whole thing repeatedly over the years has revealed much more refinement of detail and Self-Knowledge within this form. Along these same lines: what Shannon has written is absolutely correct -- other than Brahman, all the states of consciousness are merely delusions or maya or ego. I wrote this myself a few days back when trying to verify and clarify (what a laugh) some people's Understanding of paradoxical-Brahman. On the other hand (and there is ALWAYS an other hand in Brahman *lol*), knowing all this is THAT *can* unfold the realization that since this is true, even the ego must be THAT; even maya must be THAT, and thus the question: How does THAT imagine the so-called relative into existence? From this come the further unfoldments of K.C., S.C., and M.C. -- all still simply Brahman, yet now Brahman examining the process of looking at itself; Brahman exploring its apparent dimensional play; Brahman with a twist. But there is always a choice as to whether one wishes to unfold further comprehension of maya or Mastery, or simply to remain in undifferentiated THAT. Wholeness supports either choice. In fact, this brings up a really interesting point -- Wholeness whole-heartedly supports ALL the states of consciousness -- this is why each one feels so self-sufficient. There is absolutely nothing which says one HAS to move right along from T.C. to C.C. to G.C. to U.C. and so forth. The apparent movement or growth from one to the other is an illusion anyhow -- just a matter of our abstracting the relevant information we need out of the bloomin' confusion, or all- inclusive paradox that we are, to support our current state of consciousness. We move right along in -- or pay attention to -- apparent progress and growth until we intuitively feel we are done. At that point, we have found our right place for this time, and are serving our perfect part in the greater whole -- which whether we choose to know it or not, is just ourselves also. All aboard the Hiranyagarbha! (It's the best free-ride in RoryLand.) :-) Also, if we are to view Brahman-Consciousness as the real C.C., and Krishna-Consciousness as the real G.C., and Shiva- Consciousness as the real Unity, and Maharishi-Consciousness as the real Brahman, then what we had known as T.C. would be real coma; C.C. would be real sleep; G.C. would be real dreaming, U.C. would be real waking state. From the point of view of Brahman, anyhow, this is as good a view as any, albeit a bit confusing perhaps for those playing at ignorance that all this is THAT. LLL, R. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ethics and the World Crisis
---Rick no doubt reasonable people can sometimes argue about what is ethical behavior but I think in the case of the teachers I refered to below I have no doubt that most people would agree that they behaved unethically because by any reasonable standard they did. eg taking advantage of their status as teachers to sexually exploit their students or using their students desire to become enlightened to make unreasonable demands on them.Kevin In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 3/31/05 7:44 PM, shanti2218411 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ---Not to defend MMY's unethical behavior(because I believe that he has behaved that way)I think that it's worth mentioning that numerous other ostensibly enlightened beings have behaved unethically including several prominent buddhist teachers.All of which leads me to conclude that maybe we need to come up with another definition of what it means to be enlightened. Or ethical. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] The Sudarshana Mula Mantra
..has been mentioned a couple of times with reference to the coming super-yagya in India. Does anyone have it? Is is safe to read? Cheers, To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Great advice
When invited by the Celestial beings that invitation should not be accepted nor should it be allowed to cause vanity because it involves the possibility of undesirable consquences. Yoga-sutra 3:51 [Comment:] Yogins are of four classes--1) Prathama-kalpika 2) Madhu-bhumika 3) Prajna-jyoti and 4) Ati-kranta-bhavaniya. Of these the first are those who are engaged in devotional practices and in whom the supernormal powers of perception are just dawning. The second are those who have got Rtambhara wisdom. The third are those who have mastered the Bhutas and the organs, who retain all those powers which are acquired and are devoutly engaged in the quest of further attainments. The fourth are those who have gone beyond acquisition of attainments and whose only remaining objective is the elimination of the action of the mind. Theirs is the sevenfold ultimate insight. The Celestial beings residing in high regions noticing the purity of the intellect of those who have attained unalloyed truth Madhumati (Madhu-bhumika stage), try to invite them by tempting them with enjoyments available in their regions... Accosted in this way [by vanity and celestials], he should ponder thus on the danger of coming in contact with them: 'Baked in the fierce flames of rebirth, and tossed between life and death, I have somehow obtained the light of Yoga which destroys the darkness of afflictions, but this thirstful atmosphere of attachment is antagonistic to that light. Having got that light why should I again be deluded by this mirage of pleasure and make myself a fuel of that burning fire of the cycle of births? Oh, ye pitiable, dreamy seekers of pleasures, may you be happy.' -Samkhya-yogacharya Sw. Hariharananda Aranya To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Koran scholar: US will cease to exist in 2007
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Want to know what the future will look like..? http://www.matrixinstitute.com/futuremap.html --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Better come to Iowa. We're far from the oceans and we've got corn aplenty. However, some authorities say it doesn't look so good for the Mississippi valley, either. Pretty close to sea level, you know. L B S On the basis of the number of times the end of the world has been predicted, do we know how much we should worry? N. snip to end To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Koran scholar: US will cease to exist in 2007
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: now wouldn't it be great if the Muslims in US read this and leave the country. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Invitation to Gmail
Would someone please send me an invitation to gmail? Thanks and may your tm practice bring you to the heights of cosmic consciousness where fullness is lived 24/7 along with the ever changing relative. Mark To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Sudarshana Mula Mantra
I will send it to you. In the mean time you can click on the following link and choose Sudarshana Ashtakam to listen to it and other related mantras. http://puja.net/Pages/Multimedia/Pages/Gods/GodsMenu.htm --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ..has been mentioned a couple of times with reference to the coming super-yagya in India. Does anyone have it? Is is safe to read? Cheers, To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Invitation to Gmail
Just go to Google.com and sign up. You don;t need an inivtation any more. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, suziezuzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would someone please send me an invitation to gmail? Thanks and may your tm practice bring you to the heights of cosmic consciousness where fullness is lived 24/7 along with the ever changing relative. Mark To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Koran scholar: US will cease to exist in 2007
Shut up! - Original Message - From: anonymousff To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 8:29 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Koran scholar: US will cease to exist in 2007 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED]... wrote: now wouldn't it be great if the Muslims in US read this and leave the country.To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Koran scholar: US will cease to exist in 2007
you should tell it to the koran scholar. but hey Muslims (i'm not referring to you) will not critic other Muslims when they see their wrong doing. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rudra_joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shut up! - Original Message - From: anonymousff To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 8:29 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Koran scholar: US will cease to exist in 2007 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: now wouldn't it be great if the Muslims in US read this and leave the country. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' -- Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purusha-Prakriti and Hiranyagarbha, continued
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Beyond or other than this Purusha-Prakriti, as far as I can see at this point, anyhow, there is nothing. I have found nothing new in the 15 years or so since M.C. first revealed itself -- but going back into the whole thing repeatedly over the years has revealed much more refinement of detail and Self-Knowledge within this form. Actually, there is more beyond the Hiranyagarbha -- as one expands further, the multitude of Hiranyagarbhas or Universe-Selves can be appreciated -- and between them is the Personal God (a/k/a Krishna) as the literal, physical reflection of one's own body -- paradoxically, the more abstract one goes, the more concrete and physical the manifestation becomes. So we could say this is the real Mahat-Atman or the real K.C. beyond the real B.C., and so on and so on. The themes don't really change, they just become more and more absolute and more and more concrete. So as we go up inside the reverse-time-flow of Purusha (the inner portion of the toroid-Hiranyagarbha), we are awakening the corresponding points in the outward, downward, normal space-time flow of Prakriti (the outer sphere of the toroid-Hiranyagarbha). These two meet at the center Ahamkara and its surrounding equator, when for the first time (in U.C.) the inner I AM golden Brahma-Self becomes aware of its utter intimacy and identity with the equator of itself in the outer world, via filaments of itself. At this time, the experience would be of mergence with one's causal body or golden-self, whereupon one would probably experience 360-degree vision amid the golden sphere of no-time, no-space, and perhaps the light-fibers of one's celestial body and so forth. For some time thereafter, while walking around in real-time, one may experience the golden nature of Heaven on Earth, be visited and identified in this body by and with various devas, gods, goddesses, and so on. (If and when all this disappears as we are gradually stripped naked for entry into B.C., the ensuing Dark Night of the Soul can be somewhat difficult for those who have no idea what is going on.) Instead of or in addition to the inner-outer dichotomy of Hiranyagarbha, we may also see the Hiranyagarba as split around the equator, consisting of -- essentially -- a parachute above us, and/or a coracle-boat below us. This parachute vision may open upon the completion of the first conscious Kundalini-flows connecting and embracing our two poles, when we might interpret it as the fully opened thousand-petalled lotus. This parachute may look quite a bit like the umbrella over Guru Dev. (Plato apparently spoke of the boat half of Hiranyagarbha, and perhaps its upper half as well, if I remember rightly.) So all of these different experiences and understandings are basically different ways of experiencing and understanding one's Hiranyagarbha, or Universe-Self. Looked at very broadly, from a cosmic perspective, we might say that C.C. recognizes the Self as enlivening the Body (base chakra's annamayakosha), G.C. recognizes the Self as enlivening the Biosphere (sex chakra's pranamayakosha), U.C. recognizes the Self as enlivening the World (navel chakra's manamayaosha), culminating in Self as the Solar System (solar plexus's ahamkara). B.C. moves to identify with the energies of our surrounding Constellation (apparently Sirius) (heart chakra's Buddhi), K.C. activates Self as our Galaxy (throat chakra's Mahat-Atman), and S.C. activates our Universe (brow chakra's Avyukta). M.C. then moves out of the Universal Hiranyagarbha to recognize Self as Krishna's Multiverse (crown chakra's Purusha). Again, all of this is in a very real sense, maya -- phenomena that come and go as we move around in one form of spacetime or other. The important thing IMO is to fully appreciate whatever is right in front of us; that is the easiest way to experience no-time, no-space as God (Self) showing His/Her aspect to us in the form we most need/desire to see right now. :-) Love, Light, and Laughter, R. Oh, that reminds me -- Love is the centripetal force of Satguna (Blue Vishnu/Indra), Light is the rotary force of Rajoguna (golden Brahma), and Laughter is the centripetal force of Tamoguna (Red Shiva/Rudra). From the point of view of Purusha, evolution progresses inwardly (up the spine) from Love to Light to Laughter; from Prakriti's point of view, it progresses outwardly (down and around us) from Laughter (Shiva's big bang or cosmic dispersion from the white hole) to Light (Brahma's outward Golden-egg) to Love (Vishnu's loving collapse of the universe into the black hole). The light-filaments of our inner I AM (Brahma, Aditi, Christ, etc.) may with more familiarity be appreciated as our twelve color-rays (Adityas, Disciples, etc.), which form the 12 radii or spokes of the central Sun as its geometry of consciousness, viewable as a vector-
[FairfieldLife] Love is in the air
http://www.tedanddanielle.com/ Ted Wallace's friends check this website. Ted: Life knows no boundaires Growing up in California I didn't think that I would marry a Dutch girl, but really I couldn't have foreseen any part of this life. Danielle has supported me in all aspects of life and helped make these years the best. Every time I think I can't love and respect her any more she shows her love, loyalty, wisdom and sweetness and my heart expands to a new level. We are both learning a lot, sometimes very hard lessons, but we have come through them and are much stronger for it. I have been traveling for a long time working for Maharishi Mahesh Yogi's Movement and have learned that life can be more unbounded and happier than one could ever imagine. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Sudarshana Mula Mantra
on 4/1/05 8:28 AM, vosmanon at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: About the Ati Rudrabhishek Maha Yagya (most powerful vedic performance for world peace)I remember that Earl Kaplan (and many others)donated lots of bucks to purchase the land to establish pundit groups in India. i wonder what impact the performance will have on Kaplan (if one believes it has an influence on the donor) Will he see the light and return to the fold? There is a rumor circulating in the TMO that the Kaplns are coming back. anyone heard about it? I had a chat with Earl in the grocery store a few months ago. No indication that he was coming back, but he had mellowed a bit since writing that letter. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Love is in the air
Thanks for the website. Ted's always been one of the good guys --- vosmanon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.tedanddanielle.com/ Ted Wallace's friends check this website. Ted: Life knows no boundaires Growing up in California I didn't think that I would marry a Dutch girl, but really I couldn't have foreseen any part of this life. Danielle has supported me in all aspects of life and helped make these years the best. Every time I think I can't love and respect her any more she shows her love, loyalty, wisdom and sweetness and my heart expands to a new level. We are both learning a lot, sometimes very hard lessons, but we have come through them and are much stronger for it. I have been traveling for a long time working for Maharishi Mahesh Yogi's Movement and have learned that life can be more unbounded and happier than one could ever imagine. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! Messenger Show us what our next emoticon should look like. Join the fun. http://www.advision.webevents.yahoo.com/emoticontest To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Sudarshana Mula Mantra
Thanks for info. A lot can change in a few monthsor perhaps Earl informs you of all his comings and goings, spiritually wise? I mean besides the odd chat in the grocery store. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/1/05 8:28 AM, vosmanon at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: About the Ati Rudrabhishek Maha Yagya (most powerful vedic performance for world peace)I remember that Earl Kaplan (and many others)donated lots of bucks to purchase the land to establish pundit groups in India. i wonder what impact the performance will have on Kaplan (if one believes it has an influence on the donor) Will he see the light and return to the fold? There is a rumor circulating in the TMO that the Kaplns are coming back. anyone heard about it? I had a chat with Earl in the grocery store a few months ago. No indication that he was coming back, but he had mellowed a bit since writing that letter. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Thousands of Muslim Women Killed for Family Honor
I think the van Gogh slaying was particularly nasty. I recently visited Holland and found the stress quite unbearable - the place seems to be balancing on the brink of civil war. No wonder MMY is there, doing His typical putting-out-the-flames-thing by justy being there. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, vosmanon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hundreds, if not thousands, of women are murdered by their families each year in the name of family honor. It's difficult to get precise numbers on the phenomenon of honor killing; the murders frequently go unreported, the perpetrators unpunished, and the concept of family honor justifies the act in the eyes of some societies. Complicity by other women in the family and the community strengthens the concept of women as property and the perception that violence against family members is a family and not a judicial issue. Females in the familymothers, mothers-in-law, sisters, and cousins frequently support the attacks. It's a community mentality, said Zaynab Nawaz, a program assistant for women's human rights at Amnesty International. There is nothing in the Koran, the book of basic Islamic teachings, that permits or sanctions honor killings. However, the view of women as property with no rights of their own is deeply rooted in Islamic culture, Tahira Shahid Khan, a professor specializing in women's issues at the Aga Khan University in Pakistan, wrote in Chained to Custom, a review of honor killings published in 1999. Women are considered the property of the males in their family irrespective of their class, ethnic, or religious group. The owner of the property has the right to decide its fate. The concept of ownership has turned women into a commodity which can be exchanged, bought and sold. Honor killings are perpetrated for a wide range of offenses. Marital infidelity, pre-marital sex, flirting, or even failing to serve a meal on time can all be perceived as impugning the family honor. Amnesty International has reported on one case in which a husband murdered his wife based on a dream that she had betrayed him. In Turkey, a young woman's throat was slit in the town square because a love ballad had been dedicated to her over the radio. In a society where most marriages are arranged by fathers and money is often exchanged, a woman's desire to choose her own husbandor to seek a divorcecan be viewed as a major act of defiance that damages the honor of the man who negotiated the deal. Even victims of rape are vulnerable. In a widely reported case in March of 1999, a 16-year-old mentally retarded girl who was raped in the Northwest Frontier province of Pakistan was turned over to her tribe's judicial council. Even though the crime was reported to the police and the perpetrator was arrested, the Pathan tribesmen decided that she had brought shame to her tribe and she was killed in front of a tribal gathering. The teenage brothers of victims are frequently directed to commit the murder because, as minors, they would be subject to considerably lighter sentencing if there is legal action. Typically, they would serve only three months to a year. Officials often claim that nothing can be done to halt the practice because the concept of women's rights is not culturally relevant to deeply patriarchal societies. Politicians frequently argue that these things are occurring among uneducated, illiterate people whose attitudes can't be changed, said Brown. We see it more as a matter of political will. The story of Samia Imran is one of the most widely cited cases used to illustrate the vulnerability of women in a culture that turns a blind eye to such practices. The case's high profile no doubt arises from the fact that the murder took place in broad daylight, was abetted by the victim's mother, who was a doctor, and occurred in the office of Asma Jahangir, a prominent Pakistani lawyer and the UN reporter on extrajudicial, summary, or arbitrary executions. In April 1999 Imran, a 28-year-old married woman seeking a divorce from her violent husband after 10 years of marriage, reluctantly agreed to meet her mother in a lawyers' office in Lahore, Pakistan. Imran's family opposed the divorce and considered her seeking a divorce to be shaming to the family's honor. Her mother arrived at the lawyer's office with a male companion, who immediately shot and killed Imran. Imran's father, who was president of the Chamber of Commerce in Peshawar, filed a complaint with the police accusing the lawyers of the abduction and murder of Imran. The local clergy issued fatwas (religious rulings) against both women and money was promised to anyone who killed them. The Peshawar High Court eventually threw out the father's suit. No one was ever arrested for Imran's death. Imran's case received a great deal of publicity,
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ethics and the World Crisis
Ethics is an ever-changing series of personal decisions based on a seemingly infinite mixture of, (but certainly not limited to), conscience, internalized beliefs, religious affiliation, genetics, family values, peer influence, culture, gender, conformity, groupthink, personal prejudice, autonomy, period of time, friendships and intimate relationships. Ethics at its climax is a person who is trying to be superlative. Ethics at its worst is ignorance and an excuse to behave badly. In closing, ethics is, at all times, amorphous, impalpable and subjective. Jamie http://www.apatheticagnostic.com/articles/reflections/ref01/ref016.ht ml I suspect the motive of anyone who makes ethics seems so complicated and difficult. It isnt. The essence of ethics is simple and easy. It is simple because it is logical. It is easy because it is not something you have to DO. It is essentially not directly hurting innocent others without their consent. -Mark To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purusha-Prakriti and Hiranyagarbha, continued
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: one small snip for a mayan; one giant snip for mayan-kind The light-filaments of our inner I AM (Brahma, Aditi, Christ, etc.) may with more familiarity be appreciated as our twelve color-rays (Adityas, Disciples, etc.), which form the 12 radii or spokes of the central Sun as its geometry of consciousness, viewable as a vector- equilibrium matrix. snip And here's where your appreciation of the three Gunas as like the triangle, the square and the circle might come into play, Tom -- the vector-equilibrium matrix (also known as a cuboctahedron), which (AFAIK) is the key to Brahma's creation in spacetime, consists of 12 vertices or points and 14 faces -- 8 triangles, 6 squares -- and overall 4 great-circles or hexagons wrapping around it at different angles: not unlike the old pictures of the atom from the 1950s, if you simply enclosed its three intersecting ellipses or rings inside a single ring seen face-on. So indeed, there's your circles, triangles, and squares as the building blocks comprising Brahma's spacetime creativity. :-) LLL, Rory To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purusha-Prakriti and Hiranyagarbha, continued
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: one small snip for maya; one giant bleep for maya-kind The light-filaments of our inner I AM (Brahma, Aditi, Christ, etc.) may with more familiarity be appreciated as our twelve color- rays (Adityas, Disciples, etc.), which form the 12 radii or spokes of the central Sun as its geometry of consciousness, viewable as a vector- equilibrium matrix. snip And here's where your appreciation of the three Gunas as like the triangle, the square and the circle might come into play, Tom -- the vector-equilibrium matrix (also known as a cuboctahedron), which (AFAIK) is the key to Brahma's creation in spacetime, consists of 12 vertices or points and 14 faces -- 8 triangles, 6 squares -- and overall 4 great-circles or hexagons wrapping around it at different angles: not unlike the old pictures of the atom from the 1950s, if you simply enclosed its three intersecting ellipses or rings inside a single ring seen face-on. So indeed, there's your circles, triangles, and squares as the building blocks comprising Brahma's spacetime creativity. :-) Also, if you rest this vector-equilibrium (VE) matrix on one of its square sides, from that square base you see a pyramid with four edges (light-shafts) rising up and converging to a point, and then continuing on through the point to make an upside-down pyramid above: Again, the double-cone. At the center bindu-point of the two pyramids is Brahma, with His four faces emitting four more shafts of light in a great horizontal cross. This gives you your 12 rays again -- four going out to each of the vertical pyramids, 4 more to the horizontal cross. Seen another way, the whole cluster looks like 3 great crosses interconnecting -- the old triple-cross! And if you put the VE matrix on one of its triangular sides, and look down at it from over the opposing triangle above, you see the Great Seal of Solomon, a/k/a Star of David -- two interlaced triangles. All apparently intimately involved with our DNA... LLL, R. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purusha-Prakriti and Hiranyagarbha, continued
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: one small snip for maya; one giant bleep for maya-kind And here's where your appreciation of the three Gunas as like the triangle, the square and the circle might come into play, Tom -- the vector-equilibrium matrix (also known as a cuboctahedron), which (AFAIK) is the key to Brahma's creation in spacetime, consists of 12 vertices or points and 14 faces -- 8 triangles, 6 squares -- and overall 4 great-circles or hexagons wrapping around it at different angles: not unlike the old pictures of the atom from the 1950s, if you simply enclosed its three intersecting ellipses or rings inside a single ring seen face-on. So indeed, there's your circles, triangles, and squares as the building blocks comprising Brahma's spacetime creativity. :-) Also, if you rest this vector-equilibrium (VE) matrix on one of its square sides, from that square base you see a pyramid with four edges (light-shafts) rising up and converging to a point, and then continuing on through the point to make an upside-down pyramid above: Again, the double-cone. At the center bindu-point of the two pyramids is Brahma, with His four faces emitting four more shafts of light in a great horizontal cross. This gives you your 12 rays again -- four going out to each of the vertical pyramids, 4 more to the horizontal cross. Seen another way, the whole cluster looks like 3 great crosses interconnecting -- the old triple-cross! And each of these 3 great crosses is one of the three Gunas, manifesting out from the Brahma-point in the 4 elements of Earth, Air, Fire and Water -- or seen another way, with a triangle at the top, triangle at bottom, and a great circle or hexagon around the middle, the three elements of Fire (one triangle, of red, yellow and blue), Air (the opposing triangle of orange, green, and violet), and Water/Earth (the intermediary equator or great circle of red- orange, orange-yellow, yellow-green, green-blue, blue-violet, and violet-red). Seen from above, this 3-D interlaced triangles-and- great hexagon flattens nicely to map onto a standard 2-D Zodiac wheel. I find all of this stuff fascinating, but it would be a lot clearer with a 3-D model or at least some illustrations, so I'll quit now. Better late than never. :-) Again, whether we see any of this stuff at all or not doesn't really matter in the slightest -- as a very wise friend has reminded me, MMY once said, we are all on a train to the same great destination; some of us look out the windows and some don't. So I think if we simply relax and pay attention to what's in front of us, it's God/dess smiling out through some mask or other -- the one we most need to see in this moment -- and yet another mirror of ourSelf. LLL, Rory To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purusha-Prakriti and Hiranyagarbha, continued
Hi Rory, Thanks for these excellent and precise discriptions of universal mechanics! Though I must admit I do not understand much of it intellectually, it makes perfect sense on an intuitive level, and I find myself laughing delightedly at the depth of the subject matter! Wonderful! I hope to see more of your contributions in the future. Really elevates the discourse here, silently. Great web site also (www.artesmagicae.com), though I am just beginning to familiarize myself with it... All the Best, Jim --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Beyond or other than this Purusha-Prakriti, as far as I can see at this point, anyhow, there is nothing. I have found nothing new in the 15 years or so since M.C. first revealed itself -- but going back into the whole thing repeatedly over the years has revealed much more refinement of detail and Self-Knowledge within this form. Actually, there is more beyond the Hiranyagarbha -- as one expands further, the multitude of Hiranyagarbhas or Universe-Selves can be appreciated -- and between them is the Personal God (a/k/a Krishna) as the literal, physical reflection of one's own body -- paradoxically, the more abstract one goes, the more concrete and physical the manifestation becomes. So we could say this is the real Mahat- Atman or the real K.C. beyond the real B.C., and so on and so on. The themes don't really change, they just become more and more absolute and more and more concrete. So as we go up inside the reverse-time-flow of Purusha (the inner portion of the toroid-Hiranyagarbha), we are awakening the corresponding points in the outward, downward, normal space-time flow of Prakriti (the outer sphere of the toroid-Hiranyagarbha). These two meet at the center Ahamkara and its surrounding equator, when for the first time (in U.C.) the inner I AM golden Brahma-Self becomes aware of its utter intimacy and identity with the equator of itself in the outer world, via filaments of itself. At this time, the experience would be of mergence with one's causal body or golden- self, whereupon one would probably experience 360-degree vision amid the golden sphere of no-time, no-space, and perhaps the light-fibers of one's celestial body and so forth. For some time thereafter, while walking around in real-time, one may experience the golden nature of Heaven on Earth, be visited and identified in this body by and with various devas, gods, goddesses, and so on. (If and when all this disappears as we are gradually stripped naked for entry into B.C., the ensuing Dark Night of the Soul can be somewhat difficult for those who have no idea what is going on.) Instead of or in addition to the inner-outer dichotomy of Hiranyagarbha, we may also see the Hiranyagarba as split around the equator, consisting of -- essentially -- a parachute above us, and/or a coracle-boat below us. This parachute vision may open upon the completion of the first conscious Kundalini-flows connecting and embracing our two poles, when we might interpret it as the fully opened thousand-petalled lotus. This parachute may look quite a bit like the umbrella over Guru Dev. (Plato apparently spoke of the boat half of Hiranyagarbha, and perhaps its upper half as well, if I remember rightly.) So all of these different experiences and understandings are basically different ways of experiencing and understanding one's Hiranyagarbha, or Universe-Self. Looked at very broadly, from a cosmic perspective, we might say that C.C. recognizes the Self as enlivening the Body (base chakra's annamayakosha), G.C. recognizes the Self as enlivening the Biosphere (sex chakra's pranamayakosha), U.C. recognizes the Self as enlivening the World (navel chakra's manamayaosha), culminating in Self as the Solar System (solar plexus's ahamkara). B.C. moves to identify with the energies of our surrounding Constellation (apparently Sirius) (heart chakra's Buddhi), K.C. activates Self as our Galaxy (throat chakra's Mahat-Atman), and S.C. activates our Universe (brow chakra's Avyukta). M.C. then moves out of the Universal Hiranyagarbha to recognize Self as Krishna's Multiverse (crown chakra's Purusha). Again, all of this is in a very real sense, maya -- phenomena that come and go as we move around in one form of spacetime or other. The important thing IMO is to fully appreciate whatever is right in front of us; that is the easiest way to experience no-time, no-space as God (Self) showing His/Her aspect to us in the form we most need/desire to see right now. :-) Love, Light, and Laughter, R. Oh, that reminds me -- Love is the centripetal force of Satguna (Blue Vishnu/Indra), Light is the rotary force of Rajoguna (golden Brahma), and Laughter is the
Re: [FairfieldLife] Love is in the air
Thanks for that link. - Original Message - From: vosmanon To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 9:42 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Love is in the air http://www.tedanddanielle.com/Ted Wallace's friends check this website.Ted: Life knows no boundairesGrowing up in California I didn't think that I would marry a Dutch girl, but really I couldn't have foreseen any part of this life. Danielle has supported me in all aspects of life and helped make these years the best. Every time I think I can't love and respect her any more she shows her love, loyalty, wisdom and sweetness and my heart expands to a new level. We are both learning a lot, sometimes very hard lessons, but we have come through them and are much stronger for it. I have been traveling for a long time working for Maharishi Mahesh Yogi's Movement and have learned that life can be more unbounded and happier than one could ever imagine.To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Koran scholar: US will cease to exist in 2007
Don't be a negative fuck. What's it to you personally? - Original Message - From: anonymousff To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 9:35 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Koran scholar: US will cease to exist in 2007 you should tell it to the koran "scholar". but hey Muslims (i'm not referring to you) will not critic other Muslims when they see their wrong doing.--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "rudra_joe" [EMAIL PROTECTED]... wrote: Shut up! - Original Message - From: anonymousff To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 8:29 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Koran scholar: US will cease to exist in 2007--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:now wouldn't it be great if the Muslims in US read this and leave the country. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' -- Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Purusha-Prakriti and Hiranyagarbha, continued
Ah come on Dude, who needs more than the
Hiranyagarbhas? Besides I doubt you actually would find something beyond
the Gaurigarbha or Guhyagarbha, so go figure.
- Original Message -
From:
Rory Goff
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 9:38
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Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re:
Purusha-Prakriti and Hiranyagarbha, continued
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
"Rory Goff" [EMAIL PROTECTED]...
wrote: Beyond or other than this Purusha-Prakriti, as far
as I can see at this point, anyhow, there is nothing. I have found
nothing "new" in the 15 years or so since M.C. first revealed itself
-- but going back into the whole thing repeatedly over the years has
revealed much more refinement of detail and Self-Knowledge within
this form.Actually, there is more "beyond" the Hiranyagarbha -- as one
expands further, the multitude of Hiranyagarbhas or Universe-Selves can be
appreciated -- and between them is the Personal God (a/k/a Krishna) as
the literal, physical reflection of one's own body -- paradoxically,
the more "abstract" one goes, the more "concrete" and physical the
manifestation becomes. So we could say this is the "real" Mahat-Atman
or the "real" K.C. beyond the "real" B.C., and so on and so on. The
themes don't really change, they just become more and more "absolute"
and more and more "concrete."So as we go up inside the
reverse-time-flow of Purusha (the inner portion of the
toroid-Hiranyagarbha), we are awakening the corresponding points in the
outward, downward, "normal" space-time flow of Prakriti (the outer sphere
of the toroid-Hiranyagarbha). These two "meet" at the center Ahamkara and
its surrounding equator, when for the first time (in U.C.) the inner "I
AM" golden Brahma-Self becomes aware of its utter intimacy and identity
with the "equator" of itself in the outer world, via filaments of itself.
At this time, the experience would be of mergence with one's causal body
or golden-self, whereupon one would probably experience 360-degree vision
amid the golden sphere of no-time, no-space, and perhaps the light-fibers
of one's celestial body and so forth. For some time thereafter, while
walking around in real-time, one may experience the golden nature of
Heaven on Earth, be visited and identified in this body by and with
various devas, gods, goddesses, and so on. (If and when all this
disappears as we are gradually stripped naked for entry into B.C., the
ensuing Dark Night of the Soul can be somewhat difficult for those who
have no idea what is going on.)Instead of or in addition to the
inner-outer dichotomy of Hiranyagarbha, we may also see the Hiranyagarba
as "split" around the equator, consisting of -- essentially -- a
"parachute" above us, and/or a "coracle-boat" below us. This "parachute"
vision may open upon the completion of the first conscious Kundalini-flows
connecting and embracing our two poles, when we might interpret it as the
fully opened thousand-petalled lotus. This parachute may look quite a bit
like the umbrella over Guru Dev. (Plato apparently spoke of the "boat"
half of Hiranyagarbha, and perhaps its upper half as well, if I
remember rightly.) So all of these different experiences and
understandings are basically different ways of experiencing and
understanding one's Hiranyagarbha, or Universe-Self.Looked at very
broadly, from a cosmic perspective, we might say that C.C. recognizes the
Self as enlivening the Body (base chakra's annamayakosha), G.C. recognizes
the Self as enlivening the Biosphere (sex chakra's pranamayakosha), U.C.
recognizes the Self as enlivening the World (navel chakra's manamayaosha),
culminating in Self as the Solar System (solar plexus's ahamkara). B.C.
moves to identify with the energies of our surrounding Constellation
(apparently Sirius) (heart chakra's Buddhi), K.C. activates Self as our
Galaxy (throat chakra's Mahat-Atman), and S.C. activates our Universe
(brow chakra's Avyukta). M.C. then moves out of the Universal
Hiranyagarbha to recognize Self as Krishna's Multiverse (crown chakra's
Purusha). Again, all of this is in a very real sense, maya --
phenomena that come and go as we move around in one form of spacetime or
other. The important thing IMO is to fully appreciate whatever is right in
front of us; that is the easiest way to experience no-time, no-space as
God (Self) showing His/Her aspect to us in the form we most need/desire to
see right now. :-)Love, Light, and Laughter,R.Oh, that
reminds me -- Love is the centripetal force of Satguna (Blue
Vishnu/Indra), Light is the rotary force of Rajoguna (golden Brahma),
and Laughter is the centripetal force of Tamoguna (Red Shiva/Rudra).
From the point of view of Purusha, evolution progresses inwardly ("up
the spine") from Love to Light to Laughter; from
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Sudarshana Mula Mantra
I thought one saw the light from the very first time the mantra was spoken! - Original Message - From: Peter Sutphen To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 9:41 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The "Sudarshana Mula Mantra" I believe that Earl and David have already seen thelight. That's why they left the TMO.--- vosmanon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: About the Ati Rudrabhishek Maha Yagya (most powerful vedic performance for world peace)I remember that Earl Kaplan (and many others)donated lots of bucks to purchase the land to establish pundit groups in India. i wonder what impact the performance will have on Kaplan (if one believes it has an influence on the donor) Will he see the light and return to the fold? There is a rumor circulating in the TMO that the Kaplns are coming back. anyone heard about it? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "peterklutz" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ..has been mentioned a couple of times with reference to the coming super-yagya in India.Does anyone have it? Is is safe to read? Cheers, To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ethics and the World Crisis
Some say we choose the karma for each of our lives. I suppose this includes 'wives' choosing to be killed by their 'husbands' - a choice I understand one makes in in a non-corporeal form. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mark robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I suspect the motive of anyone who makes ethics seems so complicated and difficult. It isn't. The essence of ethics is simple and easy. It is simple because it is logical. It is easy because it is not something you have to DO. It is essentially not directly hurting innocent others without their consent. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Sudarshana Mula Mantra
I think that after the Kaplan's got rid of what ever it was they had on their chest, they did see the light. The Light was the greatness of MMY - they're now His greatest devotees... Don't expect another letter though :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rudra_joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought one saw the light from the very first time the mantra was spoken! - Original Message - From: Peter Sutphen To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 9:41 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Sudarshana Mula Mantra I believe that Earl and David have already seen the light. That's why they left the TMO. --- vosmanon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: About the Ati Rudrabhishek Maha Yagya (most powerful vedic performance for world peace)I remember that Earl Kaplan (and many others)donated lots of bucks to purchase the land to establish pundit groups in India. i wonder what impact the performance will have on Kaplan (if one believes it has an influence on the donor) Will he see the light and return to the fold? There is a rumor circulating in the TMO that the Kaplns are coming back. anyone heard about it? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ..has been mentioned a couple of times with reference to the coming super-yagya in India. Does anyone have it? Is is safe to read? Cheers, To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' -- Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Sudarshana Mula Mantra
The mind is mooshy like a sponge. A sponge still can't soak up goop. I doubt they're back. - Original Message - From: peterklutz To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 12:57 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The "Sudarshana Mula Mantra" I think that after the Kaplan's got rid of what ever it was they hadon their chest, they did see the light.The Light was the greatness of MMY - they're now His greatest devotees... Don't expect another letter though :-)--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "rudra_joe" [EMAIL PROTECTED]... wrote: I thought one saw the light from the very first time the mantra wasspoken! - Original Message - From: Peter Sutphen To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 9:41 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The "Sudarshana Mula Mantra" I believe that Earl and David have already seen the light. That's why they left the TMO. --- vosmanon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: About the Ati Rudrabhishek Maha Yagya (most powerful vedic performance for world peace)I remember that Earl Kaplan (and many others)donated lots of bucks to purchase the land to establish pundit groups in India. i wonder what impact the performance will have on Kaplan (if one believes it has an influence on the donor) Will he see the light and return to the fold? There is a rumor circulating in the TMO that the Kaplns are coming back. anyone heard about it? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "peterklutz" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ..has been mentioned a couple of times with reference to the coming super-yagya in India. Does anyone have it? Is is safe to read? Cheers, To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' -- Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms ofService.To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purusha-Prakriti and Hiranyagarbha, continued
Responses interleaved below... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Rory, Thanks for these excellent and precise discriptions of universal mechanics! Though I must admit I do not understand much of it intellectually, it makes perfect sense on an intuitive level, and I find myself laughing delightedly at the depth of the subject matter! Wonderful! Wow, Jim! Great to hear from you. Many thanks for appreciating it -- IMO you are taking it on JUST the right level, my friend! :-) I hope to see more of your contributions in the future. Really elevates the discourse here, silently. Great web site also (www.artesmagicae.com), though I am just beginning to familiarize myself with it... Glad you like it. I was starting to wonder this morning if maybe I was ONLY talking to mySelf here *lol* though of course that is certainly true, too. Although I can imagine some FFLers uttering silent groans of don't encourage him! I will take you at your word and throw in another thought that came to me just now. The VE Matrix is maybe a kind of Space-ship, or more literally, a TimeSpace-ship. It generates universal (Brahmic) space-time. It can extend itself out infinitely in all directions as a grid or spacetime matrix, composed of alternating interlocked tetrahedra and octahedra, with each nexus or bindu-point another Ahamkara or cluster-of-12 rays or radii. But it also turns out that the VE Matrix has an interconnected partner shape, interlaced with it. Where the VE Matrix has 12 vertices and 14 faces, this partner-shape has 14 vertices and 12 faces. It is the Dodecahedron (with rhombic or pentagonal faces). Each vertex of the Dodeca is smack in the middle of a face of the VE Matrix, and vice versa. While the VE Matrix is Solar, the Dodecahedron (at least in its pentagonal form) is Lunar. Unlike the VE Matrix, it has no rational center-point. Nor does it extend infinitely into space. The Dodecahedron is non-rational and self-contained; a kind of seed-carrier, or Egg-ship, holding Creation in stasis until it is fertilized by a point-self or Solar-Angel or Brahma or Ahamkara, at which point it might crystallize into a VE Matrix. Now during the Pyramid-ascension, the DNA showed itself as a column of fire up through the center of the pyramid -- in other words, starting from the midpoint of the base-face of the VE Matrix. It was thus NOT specifically aligned with the Solar VE Matrix, but was rather in-between. I am thinking now that the DNA proper might actually be the VE Matrix's other half, its Lunar partner, the interlaced Dodecahedron. This sort of tallies with some old visions of Life-ships carrying seedforms across spacetime. Or more likely yet, the DNA is probably the combination of the two shapes; since the Dodeca has no center, the line of force carries one *from* a point of the Dodeca *into* the new center of its partnered VE Matrix. Seen this way, we might imagine the VE Matrix as the Solar-sperm, and the Dodeca as the Lunar-egg. Combine the two, or realize that each is the mask of the other and Bob's your uncle -- Life; DNA. Thus, the Solar-sperm is Purusha; the Lunar-egg is Prakriti, (or vice versa, if you prefer), and taking them together you have Wholeness, Life. LLL, R. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Sudarshana Mula Mantra
on 4/1/05 12:57 PM, peterklutz at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think that after the Kaplan's got rid of what ever it was they had on their chest, they did see the light. The Light was the greatness of MMY - they're now His greatest devotees... Sheer, unfounded speculation on your part. They're with another guru now. If this changes, I'm sure we'll all hear about it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Sudarshana Mula Mantra
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, benjaminccollins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I will send it to you. In the mean time you can click on the following link and choose Sudarshana Ashtakam to listen to it and other related mantras. http://puja.net/Pages/Multimedia/Pages/Gods/GodsMenu.htm I hope it's not this one. That transliteration, uh, zuks! Sudharshana Gayatri Mantra Om Sudharshanaya Vidmahey Maha Jwalaya Dheemahe Tanno Chakra Prachodayaat ! Sudharshan Maha Mantra Om Kleem Krishnaya Hreem Govindaya Shreem Gopi Jana Vallabhaya Om Paraya Parama Purushaya Paramathmane! Mama Para Karma Mantra Yantra Tantra Howshada Ashtra Sasthara Vadha Pridhivadaani Samhara Samhara Mrythyor Mochaya Mochaya Om Maha Sudharshanaya Dheepthre Jwalaah Pareevruthaya Sarvathik Shobana Karayah Humpatt; Parabramane Swaha Om Maha Sudharshanadhaaraya Nama Itham ! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Genocide of women in hinduism
Hinduism Today has discussed this and other related topics in their magazines. From reading their materials, I've learned that the dowry concept was borrowed from the Europeans. I always thought it was a unique practice that began in India. It's very sad to hear about young women dying before their time caused by greed family members. Peace, Marc --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ranigdv [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Genocide of Women in Hinduism by Sita Agarwal I dedicate this book to my late younger sister, who was murdered as a result of a dowry-related incident while in full blossom of youth. Like most sisters, we were very close to one another, and her early death had a deep impact on me. This tragedy inspired me with the will to join the Indian feminist movement, and to eventually write this book. I hope that this work may save the lives of some of my Indian sisters and help reduce the suffering of Indian womankind. The reason for writing this book is purely humanitarian, so I have made this book available in the public domain. The more widely this book is read, the more innocent lives shall be saved. Please distribute it freely, and help save Indian women. Thank you in advance for your efforts. After my sister's death, I joined the Indian feminist movement. I read the usual feminist literature, took part in the usual demonstrations in support of womens' rights, and attended the usual womens' rights conventions. However, it soon dawned on me that the movement was quite hollow, and, despite several decades of existance, had failed miserably in its objectives. At the time I write this book, in June 1999, the status of women in India has sunk to its lowest ebb. After 50 years of Independance, cases of female infanticide, sati, dowry-related murders and crimes against women are on the increase, and in many cases are at their highest levels seen since the birth of the Indian Republic. I soon realised that the reason is that Indian feminism has not tackled the core of the evil, but has only squabbled about superficial aspects of the problem. Western feminism was merely transplanted onto the subcontinent, and like many plants, had been unable to thrive in its new environment. It is only by tackling the root of the problem that this plant can grow. I hope that this book shall enlighten all Indian women as to the true reasons for the abject state of subjugation we are in. Everyone has heard the Brahmin male propaganda that the customs of sati, dowry, female infanticide and all other social suppression of women in India is the result of `social degeneration', `coruption', or still worse, `foreign Christian or Muslim influence'. This is all one big lie designed to fool women. The reasons are far more deep- rooted, and are fully the result of Brahmin male conspiracies. The real reason for the sad state of Indian women is the continuation of the Vedic and Vaishnava religions, collectively referred to as Brahminism or `astika' Hinduism. These religions clearly and unambiguously justify and prescribe the crushing of women to the status of sub-humans. Rather than being due to some kind of `corruption', the ghastly practices of sati, female infanticide, dowry and related acts are actually enforced by Vedic and Hindu scriptures. Although this may sound like some Christian or Muslim propaganda, it is not. I have backed up my research with quotations from Vedic and Vaishnava scriptures, and have shown that these religions, and nothing else, are the main culprits behind the most anti-woman system the world has ever seen. Far from being `enlightened' and `progressive', Brahmanism is in fact the very fountain of the evils of sati, female infanticide, devadasism and dowry. The result of my research is far-reaching. Instead of wasting time attacking trivialities, the Hindu religion itself must be attacked by Indian feminism. If Indian women are to become free, it is this faith that must tackled, and nothing else. No other religion, not even Islam or Christianity, burns its women, or slaughters one-tenth of all women each generation except Hinduism. Indeed, Brahminism is nothing but the legitimised genocide of women. In this book I have performed calculations showing how Brahminist men, and not Communists or Nazis, have been responsible for the greatest genocide (namely that of women) in the history of the world. The worst holocaust in human history was not that of the Jews or Africans, but was that inflicted on women by Brahmins. A significant part of this holocaust occurred in India during thousands of years of Brahmanic tyranny. Even in the modern era, Brahmin-enforced laws lead to the deaths of more people each decade than Hitler killed during the entire Second World War. To stop this ongoing holocaust, Indian women must unite with all those who oppose Hinduism, for
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Sudarshana Mula Mantra
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/1/05 12:57 PM, peterklutz at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think that after the Kaplan's got rid of what ever it was they had on their chest, they did see the light. The Light was the greatness of MMY - they're now His greatest devotees... Sheer, unfounded speculation on your part. They're with another guru now. If this changes, I'm sure we'll all hear about it. Which Guru would that be? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife
--- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Tony Parsons said: In Mr. Sutphen's response to the Divine Misconception, we have a fine example of someone who has claimed something called personal enlightenment. Liberation is impersonal and absolutely beyond states of any kind. If Mr. Sutphen believes there is a separate individual with free will to choose to have to use a technique that works directly with the ego then he inevitably believes in the reality of subject and object. Yes, of course there is a reality of the subject and object within the phenomenological context of waking state prior to liberation. Within the phenomenological context of liberation, they don't exist. What I'm critiquing is the possible misapprehension of a phenomenological description of liberation as a method or means to achieve such liberation. Within waking state there is dualism. This is the phenomenological reality. Teachings function within the context of this dualism to transcend the dualism. Dualistic teaching are useful fictions that stop serving a purpose once liberation is realized. Of course there is no personal enlightenment. But when there is a subject or personal self, as there is in waking state prior to liberation, enlightenment is understood in terms of the value such a condition will have for me. It is impossible to understand it any other way. So one engages in a sadhana to bring about liberation. It's all me, me, me. If the sadhana is effective it finally transcends itself and then the fiction of me is rather obvious. But the starting point for liberation is ignorance. And in this ignorance is an individual me that strives to become liberated. It is only after liberation that the fiction of me and any effort of me is clearly seen as absurdly false. That being said, I believe that there are thousands of people within the TM community that have been techniqueing for 20 to 40 years that are not liberated. No more meditation or any technique or yagya or proper vastu will bring about liberation. They are stuck in sattva. For these people a final discrimination between Self and not-Self is needed and the non-dual teachings of Mr. Parsons can be profoundly useful for such people. It is for the ones just starting a sadhana that non-dual teachings can create quite a bit of cofusion. For them the useful fiction of the dualistic teaching, I believe, will be more effective. -Peter This is pure dualism. Equally, the article (`Divine Misconception') is not suggesting that there are people who can do absolutely nothing for doing nothing is just another doing within the hypnotic dream. Conceptual understanding is totally irrelevant to liberation. Tony Parsons --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In response to the article: Knowledge is different in different states of consciousness. The dharma of one state is not the dharma of another. If there's an experiential/phenomenological ego, then you better have a technique/teaching that works directly with the ego to transcend the limitations of the ego. For example, TM. You think the mantra. The problem with these types of articles is that it can lead to people with an ego doing absolutely nothing because they conceptually understand there is no ego. But this is not their direct experience. There's a confound of experience and understanding which leads to adharmic behavior and another loop around on the wheel of samsara. -Peter --- FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the FairfieldLife group. File: /Neo-Advaita Teachers/The Divine Misconception.pdf Uploaded by : rick_archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Description : The Divine Misconception, by Tony Parsons You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/files/Neo-Advaita%20Teachers/The%20Divine%20Misconception.pdf To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, rick_archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife
Very nicely conveyed! applause On Apr 1, 2005, at 2:44 PM, Peter Sutphen wrote: Yes, of course there is a reality of the subject and object within the phenomenological context of waking state prior to liberation. Within the phenomenological context of liberation, they don't exist. What I'm critiquing is the possible misapprehension of a phenomenological description of liberation as a method or means to achieve such liberation. Within waking state there is dualism. This is the phenomenological reality. Teachings function within the context of this dualism to transcend the dualism. Dualistic teaching are useful fictions that stop serving a purpose once liberation is realized. Of course there is no personal enlightenment. But when there is a subject or personal self, as there is in waking state prior to liberation, enlightenment is understood in terms of the value such a condition will have for me. It is impossible to understand it any other way. So one engages in a sadhana to bring about liberation. It's all me, me, me. If the sadhana is effective it finally transcends itself and then the fiction of me is rather obvious. But the starting point for liberation is ignorance. And in this ignorance is an individual me that strives to become liberated. It is only after liberation that the fiction of me and any effort of me is clearly seen as absurdly false. That being said, I believe that there are thousands of people within the TM community that have been techniqueing for 20 to 40 years that are not liberated. No more meditation or any technique or yagya or proper vastu will bring about liberation. They are stuck in sattva. For these people a final discrimination between Self and not-Self is needed and the non-dual teachings of Mr. Parsons can be profoundly useful for such people. It is for the ones just starting a sadhana that non-dual teachings can create quite a bit of cofusion. For them the useful fiction of the dualistic teaching, I believe, will be more effective. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Koran scholar: US will cease to exist in 2007
One creepy note: some scientists are afraid that the collapse of an old volcano in the Azores will send a mammoth wave to obliterate the east coast, and some commentators have worried that al-Qaeda could set off explosions to cause this to happen. Does Silwadi know more than he's saying? On Mar 31, 2005, at 10:20 PM, akasha_108 wrote: Koran scholar: US will cease to exist in 2007 By KHALED ABU TOAMEH To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife
I once spoke to this guy who explained what happend to him when he made the leap into CC. Suddenly 'it' just happened - like a bolt of lightning from a blue sky. He 'was' everything; he 'knew' everything - he hade come 'home.' There was nothing else that he could wish for or obtain. The list of adjectives were longer, but this was the order he said it came to him. Also the 'experience' was totally new, unlike anything that had previously happened to him - the guy was toally blissed and totally clueless. Then, the question arose: What is this..? What happened..? In sesponse to the questions, the intellect kicked in and phrases found in MMY's the Science of Being popped up (the guy is a fairly recent TM-initiate with no experience of the TMO). A phrase that popped up and which described what he 'saw' was 'the Absolute dancing in the Relative'. Other than that there were confirmations of Being everything; Being total fullness, yet this I, this Being, did not exist - it was unborn. The process of understanding ended with a giant - So THIS is what Maharishi means..!! Reading the postings on this site on FFL makes me wonder if not the incessant talking and over-intellectualization is actually an obstacle to realization. Probably better of spending the time meditating.. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Very nicely conveyed! applause On Apr 1, 2005, at 2:44 PM, Peter Sutphen wrote: Yes, of course there is a reality of the subject and object within the phenomenological context of waking state prior to liberation. Within the phenomenological context of liberation, they don't exist. What I'm critiquing is the possible misapprehension of a phenomenological description of liberation as a method or means to achieve such liberation. Within waking state there is dualism. This is the phenomenological reality. Teachings function within the context of this dualism to transcend the dualism. Dualistic teaching are useful fictions that stop serving a purpose once liberation is realized. Of course there is no personal enlightenment. But when there is a subject or personal self, as there is in waking state prior to liberation, enlightenment is understood in terms of the value such a condition will have for me. It is impossible to understand it any other way. So one engages in a sadhana to bring about liberation. It's all me, me, me. If the sadhana is effective it finally transcends itself and then the fiction of me is rather obvious. But the starting point for liberation is ignorance. And in this ignorance is an individual me that strives to become liberated. It is only after liberation that the fiction of me and any effort of me is clearly seen as absurdly false. That being said, I believe that there are thousands of people within the TM community that have been techniqueing for 20 to 40 years that are not liberated. No more meditation or any technique or yagya or proper vastu will bring about liberation. They are stuck in sattva. For these people a final discrimination between Self and not-Self is needed and the non-dual teachings of Mr. Parsons can be profoundly useful for such people. It is for the ones just starting a sadhana that non-dual teachings can create quite a bit of cofusion. For them the useful fiction of the dualistic teaching, I believe, will be more effective. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Koran scholar: US will cease to exist in 2007
The Azores too? I've heard about a landslide scenario on the Canary islands off West Africa. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One creepy note: some scientists are afraid that the collapse of an old volcano in the Azores will send a mammoth wave to obliterate the east coast, and some commentators have worried that al-Qaeda could set off explosions to cause this to happen. Does Silwadi know more than he's saying? On Mar 31, 2005, at 10:20 PM, akasha_108 wrote: Koran scholar: US will cease to exist in 2007 By KHALED ABU TOAMEH To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Sudarshana Mula Mantra
I agree the transliteration that you found is pretty bad. I have corrected it to match the way the pundits that I know recite it. I will try to find it in Sanskrit for you. Sudharshana Gayatri Mantra Om Namaschakraya Vidmahey Sahasra Jwalaya Dheemahe Tanno Sudarshana Prachodayaat Sudharshan Maha Mantra OM Kleem Krishnaya Govindaya Gopi Jana Vallabhaya Paraya Parama Purushaya Paramathmane Para Krama Para Mantra Tantra Yantra Aushada Ashtra Sasthrani Samhara Samhara Mrythyor Mochaya Mochaya Om Namo Bagavate Maha Sudharshanaya Dheepthre Jwalaah Pareethaya Sarvathik Shobana Karayah Hoom Phat Parabramane Param jyotishay Saharadha Hoom Phat Swaha Frequently the priests usually add another mantra for Narasimha which I don't know, but the effect is quite nice. There are a lot of variations, but the above is the basic one. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife
On Apr 1, 2005, at 3:42 PM, peterklutz wrote: I once spoke to this guy who explained what happend to him when he made the leap into CC. Suddenly 'it' just happened - like a bolt of lightning from a blue sky. He 'was' everything; he 'knew' everything - he hade come 'home.' There was nothing else that he could wish for or obtain. The list of adjectives were longer, but this was the order he said it came to him. Also the 'experience' was totally new, unlike anything that had previously happened to him - the guy was toally blissed and totally clueless. Just because people believe they are in CC, doesn't mean they are. This sounds like a blast of kundalini to me. I found two comments of Earl Kaplan interesting (although I do feel somethings in his letter are reaction formations): -he could find no one in the entire TMO who was enlightened. Ever. -according to Mahesh, anyone in CC should be capable of performing all the siddhis, including hovering/flying. So far no takers. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Koran scholar: US will cease to exist in 2007
The Novel.. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/079273310X/002-0176240-4811217?v=glancest=* The Doomsday sayer.. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,18690-1422952,00.html --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One creepy note: some scientists are afraid that the collapse of an old volcano in the Azores will send a mammoth wave to obliterate the east coast, and some commentators have worried that al-Qaeda could set off explosions to cause this to happen. Does Silwadi know more than he's saying? I thought that was a superman movie. Actually, is an atomic blast from smaller scale nuclear weapons, presumably the size that al qaeda might acquire, activate a 9 level earthquake? I would have thought you would need much more force to do so. And if it started in the azores, western europe and nw africa would be hardest hit, being within 1000-1500 miles. The US east coast is 3000 or so miles away. Ther recent tsunami seemed to damage shorelines up to 1500 miles away. Can a tsunami travel full force 3000 miles? On Mar 31, 2005, at 10:20 PM, akasha_108 wrote: Koran scholar: US will cease to exist in 2007 By KHALED ABU TOAMEH To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife
Another Pulitzer winner: Cosmic pissing contest :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Reading the postings on this site on FFL makes me wonder if not the incessant talking and over-intellectualization is actually an obstacle to realization. Probably better of spending the time meditating.. Couldn't agree more with you Peter, especially when it becomes a cosmic pissing contest! -Peter --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Very nicely conveyed! applause On Apr 1, 2005, at 2:44 PM, Peter Sutphen wrote: Yes, of course there is a reality of the subject and object within the phenomenological context of waking state prior to liberation. Within the phenomenological context of liberation, they don't exist. What I'm critiquing is the possible misapprehension of a phenomenological description of liberation as a method or means to achieve such liberation. Within waking state there is dualism. This is the phenomenological reality. Teachings function within the context of this dualism to transcend the dualism. Dualistic teaching are useful fictions that stop serving a purpose once liberation is realized. Of course there is no personal enlightenment. But when there is a subject or personal self, as there is in waking state prior to liberation, enlightenment is understood in terms of the value such a condition will have for me. It is impossible to understand it any other way. So one engages in a sadhana to bring about liberation. It's all me, me, me. If the sadhana is effective it finally transcends itself and then the fiction of me is rather obvious. But the starting point for liberation is ignorance. And in this ignorance is an individual me that strives to become liberated. It is only after liberation that the fiction of me and any effort of me is clearly seen as absurdly false. That being said, I believe that there are thousands of people within the TM community that have been techniqueing for 20 to 40 years that are not liberated. No more meditation or any technique or yagya or proper vastu will bring about liberation. They are stuck in sattva. For these people a final discrimination between Self and not-Self is needed and the non-dual teachings of Mr. Parsons can be profoundly useful for such people. It is for the ones just starting a sadhana that non-dual teachings can create quite a bit of cofusion. For them the useful fiction of the dualistic teaching, I believe, will be more effective. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife
Is that because the hose is so small? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well of course not! Ours is more of a little tinkle. -Peter --- akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: of course your cosmic pissing contest with mr. parson's doesn't count. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Reading the postings on this site on FFL makes me wonder if not the incessant talking and over-intellectualization is actually an obstacle to realization. Probably better of spending the time meditating.. Couldn't agree more with you Peter, especially when it becomes a cosmic pissing contest! -Peter --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Very nicely conveyed! applause On Apr 1, 2005, at 2:44 PM, Peter Sutphen wrote: Yes, of course there is a reality of the subject and object within the phenomenological context of waking state prior to liberation. Within the phenomenological context of liberation, they don't exist. What I'm critiquing is the possible misapprehension of a phenomenological description of liberation as a method or means to achieve such liberation. Within waking state there is dualism. This is the phenomenological reality. Teachings function within the context of this dualism to transcend the dualism. Dualistic teaching are useful fictions that stop serving a purpose once liberation is realized. Of course there is no personal enlightenment. But when there is a subject or personal self, as there is in waking state prior to liberation, enlightenment is understood in terms of the value such a condition will have for me. It is impossible to understand it any other way. So one engages in a sadhana to bring about liberation. It's all me, me, me. If the sadhana is effective it finally transcends itself and then the fiction of me is rather obvious. But the starting point for liberation is ignorance. And in this ignorance is an individual me that strives to become liberated. It is only after liberation that the fiction of me and any effort of me is clearly seen as absurdly false. That being said, I believe that there are thousands of people within the TM community that have been techniqueing for 20 to 40 years that are not liberated. No more meditation or any technique or yagya or proper vastu will bring about liberation. They are stuck in sattva. For these people a final discrimination between Self and not-Self is needed and the non-dual teachings of Mr. Parsons can be profoundly useful for such people. It is for the ones just starting a sadhana that non-dual teachings can create quite a bit of cofusion. For them the useful fiction of the dualistic teaching, I believe, will be more effective. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Personals - Better first dates. More second dates. http://personals.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife
Teeny weenie! --- akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is that because the hose is so small? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well of course not! Ours is more of a little tinkle. -Peter --- akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: of course your cosmic pissing contest with mr. parson's doesn't count. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Reading the postings on this site on FFL makes me wonder if not the incessant talking and over-intellectualization is actually an obstacle to realization. Probably better of spending the time meditating.. Couldn't agree more with you Peter, especially when it becomes a cosmic pissing contest! -Peter --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Very nicely conveyed! applause On Apr 1, 2005, at 2:44 PM, Peter Sutphen wrote: Yes, of course there is a reality of the subject and object within the phenomenological context of waking state prior to liberation. Within the phenomenological context of liberation, they don't exist. What I'm critiquing is the possible misapprehension of a phenomenological description of liberation as a method or means to achieve such liberation. Within waking state there is dualism. This is the phenomenological reality. Teachings function within the context of this dualism to transcend the dualism. Dualistic teaching are useful fictions that stop serving a purpose once liberation is realized. Of course there is no personal enlightenment. But when there is a subject or personal self, as there is in waking state prior to liberation, enlightenment is understood in terms of the value such a condition will have for me. It is impossible to understand it any other way. So one engages in a sadhana to bring about liberation. It's all me, me, me. If the sadhana is effective it finally transcends itself and then the fiction of me is rather obvious. But the starting point for liberation is ignorance. And in this ignorance is an individual me that strives to become liberated. It is only after liberation that the fiction of me and any effort of me is clearly seen as absurdly false. That being said, I believe that there are thousands of people within the TM community that have been techniqueing for 20 to 40 years that are not liberated. No more meditation or any technique or yagya or proper vastu will bring about liberation. They are stuck in sattva. For these people a final discrimination between Self and not-Self is needed and the non-dual teachings of Mr. Parsons can be profoundly useful for such people. It is for the ones just starting a sadhana that non-dual teachings can create quite a bit of cofusion. For them the useful fiction of the dualistic teaching, I believe, will be more effective. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] === message truncated === __ Yahoo! Messenger Show us what our next emoticon should look like. Join the fun. http://www.advision.webevents.yahoo.com/emoticontest To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Great advice
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When invited by the Celestial beings that invitation should not be accepted nor should it be allowed to cause vanity because it involves the possibility of undesirable consquences. Yoga-sutra 3:51 [Comment:] Yogins are of four classes--1) Prathama-kalpika 2) Madhu-bhumika 3) Prajna-jyoti and 4) Ati-kranta-bhavaniya. Of these the first are those who are engaged in devotional practices and in whom the supernormal powers of perception are just dawning. The second are those who have got Rtambhara wisdom. The third are those who have mastered the Bhutas and the organs, who retain all those powers which are acquired and are devoutly engaged in the quest of further attainments. The fourth are those who have gone beyond acquisition of attainments and whose only remaining objective is the elimination of the action of the mind. Theirs is the sevenfold ultimate insight. The Celestial beings residing in high regions noticing the purity of the intellect of those who have attained unalloyed truth Madhumati (Madhu-bhumika stage), try to invite them by tempting them with enjoyments available in their regions... Accosted in this way [by vanity and celestials], he should ponder thus on the danger of coming in contact with them: 'Baked in the fierce flames of rebirth, and tossed between life and death, I have somehow obtained the light of Yoga which destroys the darkness of afflictions, but this thirstful atmosphere of attachment is antagonistic to that light. Having got that light why should I again be deluded by this mirage of pleasure and make myself a fuel of that burning fire of the cycle of births? Oh, ye pitiable, dreamy seekers of pleasures, may you be happy.' -Samkhya-yogacharya Sw. Hariharananda Aranya On my TTC I had beings dancing around my bed asking me to come with them and play. This was conveyed to MMY who replied: Tell them you must do your programme and has no time to play, now. :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] MORE NUMEROLOGY
Hi All, I've put a new Numerology Chart Maker on mysite. Itwill give you a mini reading for free. You can do as many as you want. It'll tell you your Lifepath, personality and more. Please check it out. http://www.armatt.org/numerology.htm Thanks, Jasmine.__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Koran scholar: US will cease to exist in 2007
I got it. For all their faults religions, like weapons, can be used according to individual needs, so I take offence when people summarily judge them. Or their people. I knew a beautiful woman at MIU who was Persian and such a great person. And Islam. I just find statements like "now wouldn't it be great if the Muslims in US read this and leavethecountry," Pretty ignorant, especially coming from someone who is supposedly living a universal life. Such blinders. Just shocked. It's something to me. Sorry. - Original Message - From: anonymousff To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 7:19 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Koran scholar: US will cease to exist in 2007 I guess I'm bothered when one is downgrading his "holy book" to promote his hatful agenda in ordered to brain wash his other ignoramus fellows and to bash US. I'm surprised that you didn't get it.anyway that's what it is for me personally, what is it to you?--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "rudra_joe" [EMAIL PROTECTED]... wrote: Don't be a negative fuck. What's it to you personally? - Original Message - From: anonymousff To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 9:35 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Koran scholar: US will cease to exist in 2007 you should tell it to the koran "scholar". but hey Muslims (i'm not referring to you) will not critic other Muslims when they see their wrong doing. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "rudra_joe" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shut up! - Original Message - From: anonymousff To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 8:29 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Koran scholar: US will cease to exist in 2007 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: now wouldn't it be great if the Muslims in US read this and leave the country. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' -- Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' -- Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 1, 2005, at 3:42 PM, peterklutz wrote: snip -according to Mahesh, anyone in CC should be capable of performing all the siddhis, including hovering/flying. wrong! according to MMY witnessing dream/sleep states should be the lakmus test. So far no takers. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: baghavadgita@yahoogroups.com
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baghavadgita/ --- anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: what is the link for the group? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, suziezuzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I always thought the Baghavad Gita was a great scripture and thought a discussion group on this text would be interesting so I started [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm inviting everyone to join, especially the sanscript specialists who can show us with the original language what Krishna really means when he speaks in the first person, Me. Mark To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 1, 2005, at 3:42 PM, peterklutz wrote: snip -according to Mahesh, anyone in CC should be capable of performing all the siddhis, including hovering/flying. wrong! according to MMY witnessing dream/sleep states should be the lakmus test. *** People in CC should be capable of performing all the siddhis, including flying, but being in CC is not necessary for successful performance of the siddhis. The litmus test for CC remains witnessing sleep, the last stop in stabilizing life of living one's unlimited awareness at all times, even during the torpor of sleep (or death of the body, for that matter). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife
The danger of incorrect View is mistaking something other than enlightenment for the real thing. Wrong again.for the enlightened know that there IS nothing other that enlightenment. The intellect that seperates such things into 'right' or 'wrong' is deluded. Man is Ved. Ved is man. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife
On Apr 1, 2005, at 10:29 PM, Rick Archer wrote: Isn't there also a danger of overlooking the real thing because you are expecting it to be something else? Of course. That's why correct View is essential for correct Fruit. There are numerous ways of correcting from the View, i.e. leaving the View because you think this can't be it, let me examine this, this is too simple, I was expecting something else, etc. :-) As the famous yogic saying goes: Descend with the View and rise with the conduct. That's the key. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife
On Apr 1, 2005, at 10:42 PM, off_world_beings wrote: So you are saying that no-one in the world has ever been enlightened, since, in the history of the world, no-one has ever demonstrated hovering with any degree of evidence that could be declared 'substantive'. Was referring to Earl Kaplan's substantial experience of the TM-Sidhas. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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On Apr 1, 2005, at 11:03 PM, anonymousff wrote: Why do you bother leaving this group all in a huff when you always end up returning some time later? Is it dishonesty or are you weak and undisciplined? Come on anon, can't you tell he's not wearing his Vedic AFBD? It happens every time. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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on 4/1/05 9:49 PM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As the famous yogic saying goes: Descend with the View and rise with the conduct. That's the key. Please elaborate on that. I don't think I get it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife
On Apr 1, 2005, at 11:20 PM, Rick Archer wrote: Please elaborate on that. I don't think I get it. That's the idea ;-). It's pith advice. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 1, 2005, at 11:20 PM, Rick Archer wrote: Please elaborate on that. I don't think I get it. That's the idea ;-). It's pith advice. So you have to wear your pith helmet to get it? One made of aluminum foil? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 1, 2005, at 11:03 PM, anonymousff wrote: Why do you bother leaving this group all in a huff when you always end up returning some time later? Is it dishonesty or are you weak and undisciplined? Come on anon, can't you tell he's not wearing his Vedic AFBD? It happens every time. Thats brings up some of the deepest of all spiritual questions: What is the Sanskrit for aluminum foil? And were the original AFBD agnamic, tantric or vedic? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 1, 2005, at 9:12 PM, Bob Brigante wrote: The litmus test for CC remains witnessing sleep, the last stop in stabilizing life of living one's unlimited awareness at all times, even during the torpor of sleep (or death of the body, for that matter). I think if you check MMY's commentary on the Gita, you will find that he states this is a precursor of CC (as well as a feature of the eventual state). Witnessing (despite being a lousy choice of word) can happen--and usually does happen before CC. Please don't go telling people that they are in CC just because they are witnessing, because this is misleading in the extreme. Later TM literature like the Journal of Vedic Studies reiterates this philosophy. ** You know, I rarely bother with your posts, but, really, referring me to the Gita commentary without giving a specific reference (and there isn't one that supports your point) goes beyond your usual lazy and arrogant nonsense, so I'd like to congratulate you on setting a new benchmark for buffoonery -- not easy to do on a list like this. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife
--- anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why do you bother leaving this group all in a huff when you always end up returning some time later? Is it dishonesty or are you weak and undisciplined? Refuse the distinction Off_World, refuse it!! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! Messenger Show us what our next emoticon should look like. Join the fun. http://www.advision.webevents.yahoo.com/emoticontest To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Great advice
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 'Baked in the fierce flames of rebirth, and tossed between life and death, I have somehow obtained the light of Yoga which destroys the darkness of afflictions, but this thirstful atmosphere of attachment is antagonistic to that light. Having got that light why should I again be deluded by this mirage of pleasure and make myself a fuel of that burning fire of the cycle of births? Oh, ye pitiable, dreamy seekers of pleasures, may you be happy.' -Samkhya-yogacharya Sw. Hariharananda Aranya This is hard core. Deep stony truth. I never dreamt that pleasure could be the source of my pain. More and more I am seeing this as true. What, no pleasure? Surely that would be a pointless and painful existence. But miracle of miracles, no pleasure...no pain. No seeking and obstacles disappear. ...but this thirstful atmosphere of attachment is antagonistic to that light. How long will it take to never forget this? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife
Bob, You might be in pain since Vaj is destroying your illusions regarding TMO-TM-MMY. I believe you prefer your dream world to continue uninterrupted :) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 1, 2005, at 9:12 PM, Bob Brigante wrote: The litmus test for CC remains witnessing sleep, the last stop in stabilizing life of living one's unlimited awareness at all times, even during the torpor of sleep (or death of the body, for that matter). I think if you check MMY's commentary on the Gita, you will find that he states this is a precursor of CC (as well as a feature of the eventual state). Witnessing (despite being a lousy choice of word) can happen--and usually does happen before CC. Please don't go telling people that they are in CC just because they are witnessing, because this is misleading in the extreme. Later TM literature like the Journal of Vedic Studies reiterates this philosophy. ** You know, I rarely bother with your posts, but, really, referring me to the Gita commentary without giving a specific reference (and there isn't one that supports your point) goes beyond your usual lazy and arrogant nonsense, so I'd like to congratulate you on setting a new benchmark for buffoonery -- not easy to do on a list like this. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
