[FairfieldLife] MANY REASONS TO LEARN TM . . .

[merlin]

MANY REASONS TO LEARN TM  . . .

http://www.tm-darmstadt.de/startmenue/viele-gruende-transzendentale-meditation-zu-lernen.html



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[FairfieldLife] Re: "Earnest Confusion" to Nablusoss

[laughinggull108]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> Gee, you're stupid, laughinggull.

I wouldn't say it sinks to the level of stupidity, however I *did* reread and 
found the one clarifying sentence that I missed earlier:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/329456...

"dear Nablusoss, I was referring to his replies to Ann."

I am honored that I was at least a part of your 50th post, and indeed would 
"rather just quiety forget [I] ever said anything." Sorry *really* stupid 
feste, but you're on your own buddy. Showdown at 7:00 as I'm sure we'll all be 
watching with bated breath.

> 
> Feste too. But you're *really* stupid.
> 
> This is my 50th post for the week, so you have until
> 7:00 p.m. tomorrow to decide whether you want me to
> document your stupidity publicly, or you'd rather 
> just quietly forget you ever said anything. You might
> want to do a little reviewing all by yourself before
> you make that decision.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Well Ann as I said to Curtis in my original post, I probably
> > > > wasn't saying it right.  And I'm still no clearer about it
> > > > than I was when I wrote the post to Curtis so am unable to 
> > > > clarify.  Except to refer you back to the words I did use
> > > > which did not include the word negative.
> > > 
> > > That's right, Ann, the words she used were (wait for it!)
> > > "less than completely positive."
> > > 
> > > (Here, let me wipe the coffee off your monitor for you
> > > while you blow your nose.)
> > 
> > From http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/329231...
> > 
> > "Tell ya what, let's make life easier for her. Let's protect
> > her by not paying any attention to her and not interacting
> > with her in any way. Then she'll have no reason to feel
> > threatened, poor dear. She can just do her little act all
> > by herself without worrying that any reality is going to be
> > brought to her attention."
> > 
> > ...suggested by the person who indirectly paid attention to her and 
> > indirectly interacted with her in some way above. (Well, that didn't last 
> > very long.)
> > 
> > BTW, Curtis was at the time also having a "far from positive" discussion 
> > with dumbass...could Share not have been referring to how Curtis was 
> > expressing himself to dumbass? Could Ann have just given herself away by 
> > thinking Share was referring to her? Or are both Judy and Ann "in a state 
> > of restful alertness, but no thoughts are in it, it simply reflects the 
> > truth of any situation...[where] there is no longer any need for 
> > speculation, or conjecture, or even much thought"? Maybe dumbass is on to 
> > something here...
> > 
> > > 
> > >   I found the dialogue between you and Curtis very interesting but not 
> > > what I would call easy to understand.  
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >  From: awoelflebater 
> > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > > > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 2:59 PM
> > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Earnest Confusion" to Nablusoss
> > > >  
> > > > 
> > > >   
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > dear Nablusoss, I was referring to his replies to Ann.
> > > > 
> > > > Could you clarify what you mean here Share? Are you saying that my 
> > > > interactions in the last couple of days with Curtis were negative on my 
> > > > part?
> > > > 
> > > >   And I admire it when a person earns his or her living as an 
> > > > artist.  Not easy in this day and age.  
> > > > > 
> > > > > I think many of us on FFL are mainly bothered by the unexpected.  
> > > > > By now I know who the anti TM people are so it doesn't bother me the 
> > > > > way that it used to.  
> > > > > 
> > > > > OTOH, I'm still recuperating from the comments you made about the 
> > > > > lips of Sheryl Crow (-:  
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > BTW, I'm still going to the Dome twice a day every day.  I hope 
> > > > > that in your eyes my pro TM actions in FF make up for my lack of  
> > > > > pro TM words on FFL.   
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > >  From: nablusoss1008 
> > > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 11:57 AM
> > > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Earnest Confusion"
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > >   
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Curtis, just want to say that I'm reading your replies carefully 
> > > > > > > because I know I can learn something from you.  How you 
> > > > > > > express yourself when people are less than completely positi

[FairfieldLife] Re: "Earnest Confusion" to Nablusoss

[laughinggull108]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Well Ann as I said to Curtis in my original post, I probably
> > > > wasn't saying it right.  And I'm still no clearer about it
> > > > than I was when I wrote the post to Curtis so am unable to 
> > > > clarify.  Except to refer you back to the words I did use
> > > > which did not include the word negative.
> > > 
> > > That's right, Ann, the words she used were (wait for it!)
> > > "less than completely positive."
> > > 
> > > (Here, let me wipe the coffee off your monitor for you
> > > while you blow your nose.)
> > 
> > From http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/329231...
> > 
> > "Tell ya what, let's make life easier for her. Let's protect
> > her by not paying any attention to her and not interacting
> > with her in any way. Then she'll have no reason to feel
> > threatened, poor dear. She can just do her little act all
> > by herself without worrying that any reality is going to be
> > brought to her attention."
> > 
> > ...suggested by the person who indirectly paid attention to her and 
> > indirectly interacted with her in some way above. (Well, that didn't last 
> > very long.)
> > 
> > BTW, Curtis was at the time also having a "far from positive" discussion 
> > with dumbass...could Share not have been referring to how Curtis was 
> > expressing himself to dumbass? 
> 
> I don't think so as she replied to Nabby :
> "dear Nablusoss, I was referring to his replies to Ann."
> Post 329456
> 
> Could Ann have just given herself away by thinking Share was referring to 
> her? 
> 
> And given myself away how, oh Laughing One? That I thought I was being 
> negative? No, I do not think it nor was it my intention. Curtis and I were 
> having an adult and civilized conversation and hence I was surprised that 
> Share thought it was negative from my side. I can certainly be negative but I 
> don't think even Curtis would agree that I was this time. He appeared to be 
> cool with it all but you never can tell around here sometimes.
> 
> Or are both Judy and Ann "in a state of restful alertness, but no thoughts 
> are in it, it simply reflects the truth of any situation...[where] there is 
> no longer any need for speculation, or conjecture, or even much thought"? 
> 
> I think if anyone is guilty of lack of thought, or shall we just say simple 
> powers of observation, it is the gull this time around.
> Maybe dumbass is on to something here...

You are correct Ann as I recognized in:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/329493, that believe it or 
not, I actually posted before reading your post above. (Judy's was first in the 
queue and I responded to her after re-reading the exchange where I found the 
clarifying sentence.) Jeez woman, you are quick, but I would rather you had 
waited for me to rise to Judy's challenge before giving it away...I was so 
proud of myself and am glad that I didn't read your give-away first. Anyway, my 
apologies for the mistake although I thought other parts were somewhat 
humorous, n'est-ce pas?
 
> > > 
> > >   I found the dialogue between you and Curtis very interesting but not 
> > > what I would call easy to understand.  
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >  From: awoelflebater 
> > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > > > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 2:59 PM
> > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Earnest Confusion" to Nablusoss
> > > >  
> > > > 
> > > >   
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > dear Nablusoss, I was referring to his replies to Ann.
> > > > 
> > > > Could you clarify what you mean here Share? Are you saying that my 
> > > > interactions in the last couple of days with Curtis were negative on my 
> > > > part?
> > > > 
> > > >   And I admire it when a person earns his or her living as an 
> > > > artist.  Not easy in this day and age.  
> > > > > 
> > > > > I think many of us on FFL are mainly bothered by the unexpected.  
> > > > > By now I know who the anti TM people are so it doesn't bother me the 
> > > > > way that it used to.  
> > > > > 
> > > > > OTOH, I'm still recuperating from the comments you made about the 
> > > > > lips of Sheryl Crow (-:  
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > BTW, I'm still going to the Dome twice a day every day.  I hope 
> > > > > that in your eyes my pro TM actions in FF make up for my lack of  
> > > > > pro TM words on FFL.   
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > >  From: nablusoss1008 
> > > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 11:57 AM
> > > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Earnest

[FairfieldLife] Re: Voter Frustration Over Politicians

[seekliberation]

For me, it depends on how all 12 people pre-determined the splitting up of the 
12 pieces.  For example, lets say hypothetically that 40 hours of labor are 
what it take to earn one peice of pie.  5 people do 40 hours worth of 
consistent and valuable effort.  4 people work, but not quite 40 hours.  2 
people consistently show up late, don't cooperate with co-workers, and 
constantly find excuses not to do as much work as the rest.  1 person doesn't 
do any work at all.  

For me, that would change the dividing of the pie quite a bit.

I have no problems with socialism or communism, as long as everyone is 
contributing and government is honest about the distribution.  But I don't 
trust our government, and I have worked long enough to know that not everyone 
is going to contribute evenly.

It's not just enough to re-distribute assets and money, you have to 
re-distribute work too.  

seekliberation

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> So you go to a TM potluck.  There are 12 people at the potluck including 
> yourself.  There is a pie cut into 12 equal pieces.  One of the people 
> is a Raja and decrees that he gets 11 pieces of the pie while the rest 
> of you have to split one piece.  Now how to you feel about that?
> 
> On 12/13/2012 04:16 PM, Mike Dixon wrote:
> > Is it Thou shalt not have Stockholm Syndrome, or is it Thou shalt not 
> > covet? I've never resented anyone having something I don't have or having 
> > more than I have. If somebody has the drive to amass more stuff, or create 
> > more wealth, let them knock themselves out. We all benefit in the long run. 
> > I'm just glad Bill Gates did what he did and Al Gore invented the Internet.
> >
> >   
> >
> > 
> >   From: Bhairitu 
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 9:38 AM
> > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Voter Frustration Over Politicians
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > Of course those greedy bastard Republicans don't want the tax cuts to
> > expire.  How else are they going to hoard all the wealth of the country
> > and make you and me slaves?  Perhaps you should watch this little video
> > as it will help you understand how you've gotten Stockholm Syndrome
> > being held hostage by Republicans.
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6ZsXrzF8Cc
> >
> > On 12/12/2012 03:42 PM, Mike Dixon wrote:
> >> John, the republicans don't want any of the Bush tax cuts to expire. 
> >> Raising anybodies taxes now will do more harm than good. That's what Obama 
> >> said the last time he signed their  extension.We're headed for another 
> >> recession regardless.  >> cold water on the economy. Many businesses are refusing to expand because 
> >> of the new HC mandates and in many cases are shrinking to avoid them. Add 
> >> to that an increase in other taxes Businesses will be expected to pay and 
> >> what little growth you see now, will become stagnant or even recessive. 
> >> Raising taxes on anybody is only defeating the purpose of taxation, to 
> >> raise revenue. It puts the economy in a death spiral. The only realistic 
> >> solution is to cut the spending. We keep maxing-out the credit card and 
> >> then asking for a higher limit with less ability to pay it off each time. 
> >> If taxes go up on the middle class and poor, I'm sure more will blame 
> >> republicans because most
> >>people want their cake and be able to eat it to. It's like the Chase 
> >> commercial, who doesn't want more money and who doesn't more *free* 
> >> things? Everybody wants lower taxes but they also want their freebies and 
> >> they want somebody else to pay for them. Now that's greed.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 
> >>From: John 
> >> To: mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com
> >> Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 2:00 PM
> >> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Voter Frustration Over Politicians
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Mike,
> >>
> >> If the Republicans let the Bush Tax Cut expire, many voters will be angry. 
> >>  I would expect many of the Republicans will be voted out in the next 
> >> congressional elections.  Stay tuned.
> >>
> >> As Bernanke has warned, there is the possibility that the increase in 
> >> taxes to the middle class will negatively affect the economy.  There could 
> >> very well be another recession.
> >>
> >> However, the stock market appears to be holding its own during the past 
> >> few days' activities.  Maybe the market has already calculated the effects 
> >> of the "fiscal cliff" controversy. We'll know the answer for sure on New 
> >> Year's day.
> >>
> >> JR
> >>
> >> --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon  
> >> wrote:
> >>> John ,the voters that put Republicans in their seats, put them their to 
> >>> hold the line on taxes, not to do El Presidente's bidding. Remember the 
> >>> consequences of *read my lips, no new taxes*? Bush made the same mistake 
> >>> Reagan made, he beli

[FairfieldLife] Re: MAHARISHI’S TEACHINGS ON SEX

[obbajeeba]

Haha, not referring to you, just wondered if you had thoughts to as why so many 
people follow someone as a Saint or Master if they are believed to be celibate.
 To this way of thinking, why does belief in celibacy in full adult age bring 
more wisdom? 
Maybe a misinterpretation to ancient scriptures? 


I like your post and it made me think.

Some people think we should shy away from questioning such "nonsense."
I do not, because there are so many people getting harmed by believing the 
ultimate path is celibacy and/or their marriages are pretend monogamy and when 
power is placed in these hands, innocent people are taken advantage of and then 
blamed for being bad themselves, the one's who may speak up and out.

The money machine drives a hard bargain when combined with spiritual creating 
attributes.  It can deceive. It, being the money machine and greed. The greed, 
to get something for waving a magic wand in the face of another. 

When one contemplates what has happened, there is a fear of disgrace and that 
disgrace is held in place by wand wavers, inc., that protection for the purpose 
to continue the same shit over and over. 

Point being, there is no magic in knowledge. No mystery to be found by 
worshiping one's who share knowledge. It is very disgusting to use information 
(knowledge) for deception, to lure a temporary victim for one's loins.  This 
makes a prostitute much more truthful about their actions. Yet, a prostitute is 
frowned upon, there is no deception in what and why sex is offered. 
I say people in spiritual positions who abuse this to their sexual advantage, 
are actually much worse than what the perception of a prostitute is.  It is 
clever, but nonetheless the lowest of perversions. 


Sexual attraction is easy to attach with knowledge in young women's eyes. 
People feel that attraction is love and love to share with someone because they 
have magic secrets is just plain wrong.

Maybe there is knowledge of ancient sorts scattered about a person from 
traditional lineage practices, but in no way is that worth sharing of the body 
in exchange for.

Sex and religion do not mix. No matter what label religion is given.

 Young women, heed this warning. You are beautiful, you want a mate or two or 
three, haha, and that mate who shines the light in your eyes in the name of 
ancient wisdom, may just be holding a flashlight. 


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> I'm not intrigued by it - I just expected him to do it if he said he was 
> doing it. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: obbajeeba 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 9:53 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: MAHARISHI’S TEACHINGS ON SEX
>  
> 
>   
> Why are many in cultures so intrigued by people being celibate to be a 
> spiritual master, when they lack experience in feeling the birth of a child, 
> the love of being a parent and its unconditional desire to continue to wish 
> to help that child? 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "mjackson74"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > For years I believed that Maharishi was a lifelong celibate because that is 
> > what I was taught. I was surprised, really amazed when I first heard a TM 
> > teacher say she had heard he was sexually active. I knew her pretty well 
> > and she insisted it was true. When I asked her how she knew she told me her 
> > sister and brother in law, both TM teachers and Governors had assured her 
> > it was true. They had worked on national staff for some years and yet it 
> > was not first hand information. They had gotten it from a reliable source 
> > who had gotten it from the person who had it through direct experience. 
> > 
> > Third hand info was not too impressive at the time. I did run the 
> > information by another TM teacher who knew both myself and the person who 
> > told me and they didn’t believe it, nor could they believe that 
> > Susie had come to believe it. 
> > 
> > So the issue was a non-issue for me until I turned up here on FFL. A brief 
> > exchange with Rick made me feel there really might be something to the 
> > allegations so I looked further, reading everything I could from and about 
> > the women involved which made me about fifty percent convinced it was true. 
> > Even though I had come to believe Maharishi was not enlightened, and that 
> > he was extremely fond of making promises in exchange for cash, I still 
> > could not quite come to believe that he had lied about that very 
> > fundamental aspect of his lifestyle. 
> > 
> > What did convince me were the similar stories from the former skin boys 
> > like Mark Landau and Billy Clayton that I came across on the internet, 
> > especially the recent BATGAP video interview with Mark Landau.
> > 
> > Now that got me to thinking why would M preach celibacy to everyone else if 
> > he was not practicing it himself. And I came up with a couple conclusions. 
> > 
> > First, it wa

[FairfieldLife] John Newton Forgiveness Prayer condensed versions

[Share Long]

prayers:  God, all that You are, please help me to forgive them.  Please help 
them to forgive me.  Please help us all to forgive each other, forgive 
ourselves, forgive all people and all people forgive us, completely and 
totally, no matter what, please and thank you.

Notes:  you can use any word or phrase in place of God.  Infinite Light, Divine 
Presence, Source, Being, Divine Mother, etc.  But John also said that any 
phrase would work.  In the training on Dec 8, he used an ordinary phrase and it 
worked, meaning that the person's pain subsided.  He said we're not praying to 
someone higher than ourselves.  We're praying to someone more all inclusive 
than ourselves.
  

John's main teacher, Howard Wills began using Ancestral Forgiveness Prayers 
over 30 years ago and has helped many people with all kinds of minor and major 
ailments.  John himself began working with people over 25 years ago.  He began 
studying with Howard about 16 years ago and continues to also help many people 
with all kinds of minor and major ailments.  John also learned the TMSP in 1992 
and continues to practice that.  Here's a slightly longer version of the prayer:

prayer:  God, all that You are, for me, all my family members, all our 
relationships, all our ancestors and all their relationships through all time, 
through all our lives.  For all hurts and wrongs:  physical, mental, emotional, 
spiritual, sexual and financial through thought, word or deed--please help us 
all forgive each other, forgive ourselves, forgive all people and all people 
forgive us, completely and totally, no matter what, please and thank you.

Notes:  John explains that the 4 pillars of the prayers are:  God, forgiveness, 
please, thank you.  When he works with people he sometimes says a longer 
version of the prayer out loud.  Sometimes has the person repeat after him.  
Sometimes he says the prayer silently.  Often he customizes the prayer to the 
person's particular situation.  With his 25+ years of working successfully with 
people he has noticed that certain parts of the body are associated with 
certain issues.  For example, he has noticed that teeth issues, in addition to 
the mundane causes, are often associated with fear of dying.

I offer all this in case anyone on FFL is dealing with major stuff either 
themselves or with a loved one.  The prayer of course can be used in 
conjunction with both Western approaches to well being and approaches from 
other cultures.    

[FairfieldLife] Re: Sthapatya Veda is just a Placebo Effect

[Buck]

>
> Good post that has some lot of truth in it.  But Meditators in Fairfield 
> generally are a lot more sensible about Sthapathya Ved now than you give them 
> credit for.   At a minimum the Brits should build to facilitate their 
> spiritual practice as a standard of living.  Build something modest to 
> facilitate their group meditation program and then build modest super-energy 
> efficient housing that is cost effective for its occupants, like housing 
> being no more than 25% of their incomes.  If people are going to be taking 
> time out to be mystical then they need to live in a way at a standard of 
> living that can generally afford that.  It is proly the mistake of Fairfield 
> that so much was built that people can't really afford in the new-normal of 
> the economy.
> 
> In Fairfield if new housing is going to be built it should be scaled for 
> people in jobs earning $8.81 an hour.  Or retired people on social security 
> incomes of  $1,100 per month. Or the Invincible America course participant on 
> $800 stipend a month.  
> 
> But the student housing should be on campus, and yes the students should be 
> meditating.  They are damn lucky to have the opportunity as part of the 
> schooling.  They just need more discipline and come up with more 
> self-direction.  If they don't want to be meditators at a meditaing 
> university then they should go to a community college somewhere else.  
> Trending now is that Older students in particular seem to want more privacy 
> than traditional dorm rooms.  For a while the sustainable living students 
> were solving the problem by living in RV's which are more readily adaptable 
> as projects to live in for direct solar energy.
> Times have changed,
> -Buck in the Dome
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "allanrosenzweig"  
> wrote:
> >
> > It is sorry to see people in Skelmersdale working to make a whole new 
> > Sthapatya-vedic village, wasting all the effort to build a community, 
> > including a Golden Dome, with the idea that much good will come of it.
> > 
> > We all want to believe that Maharishi is 100% correct.  But we have also 
> > seen Veda Land fail, Deepak Chopra going off on his own, tallest building 
> > in the world in the center of India, and other failed projects and 
> > mistakes.  We tend to forget about these. He does not have to be 100% 
> > correct to be the wisest man on Earth.  90%, or even 80%, is still WAY 
> > above everyone else.
> > 
> > If the Brits are looking to Fairfield Iowa as an example of SV "success" 
> > think again.  Telegroup was doing fine, as one of the top 1% of American 
> > businesses, until they established their headquarters in a new SV building. 
> >  They not only did NOT succeed, they started going  bankrupt.  Telegroup 
> > went from hiring over 400 employees, to hiring zero - even though it is in 
> > an industry that has flourished, telecommunications. Same with Global Link, 
> > and other companies in Fairfield that put their faith in SV.
> > 
> > MUM tore down about 15 "pod" dormitories that were in good shape because 
> > the were not SV.  They had to have a fund raiser to tear them down.  There 
> > was no massive influx of students - mainly visa seeking foreign students 
> > who don't seem to really care about the meditation.  There is not enough 
> > housing, so many have to live off campus, and tend to be less on the 
> > program.  It would have been better to keep the pods, and get the revenue 
> > for the rooms for the students. There is not enough money to build 
> > replacement housing.  There are just empty fields there.
> >

It's true the campus is suffering a dreadful housing shortage for students 
because someone tore down dorms, frats and pods without replacing them. The 
President?

 
> > If something is going to work, it will show results.  We have given SV 
> > about 20 years to show that it works.  There is not a single scientific 
> > article published about it, much less its success.   People would have 
> > noticed, in thousands of years, if facing east really brought success or if 
> > south did not.  When does the Sun go from being good at sunrise in the east 
> > to being bad around noon in the south?  The whole sun-based "logic" is not 
> > internally consistent.  SV is just a placebo effect.  If you think it 
> > works, it does.  If you don't think it works, you are also right.
> > 
> > Skelmersdale, save your time and money.  Build on what you have already 
> > achieved.  Maharishi's TM, TM-Sidhis Program, and Super Radiance do work, 
> > and have scientific research behind them. Sadly SV does not work.  We 
> > should face the truth and judge knowledge by its fruits.  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> > >
> > > Quite simply you don't know what you are talking about - as to feng shui, 
> > > even a cursory examination of the multitude of feng shui resources will 
> > > show that in feng shui south facing entran

[FairfieldLife] How to survive the apocalypse....

[salyavin808]

Chinese survival pods to defend against 'apocalypse'

As believers across the globe prepare for the forecast Mayan apocalypse,
a Chinese villager says he's going to save humanity with his giant
tsunami proof survival pods.

The pods are made using a fiberglass casing over a steel frame, cost
$48,000 each to make and are equipped with oxygen tanks, food and water
supplies. They also come with seat belts – essential for surviving
in storms.

"The pod won't have any problems even if there are 1,000 meter
high waves, its like a ping pong ball, its skin may be thin but it can
withstand a lot of pressure," the balls' creator Liu Qiyuan,
told AFP from his workshop outside Beijing.

"The pods are designed to carry 14 people at a time, but it's
possible for 30 people to survive inside for at least two months,"
insisted Liu

Indeed, their insulation is such that "a person could live for four
months in the pod at the north or south pole without freezing," Liu
continued.

Liu explained that he was inspired into making the spheres after seeing
the Hollywood disaster film "2012", which is itself inspired by
the expiry of the Mayan calendar on the 21st December 2012. The Mayans
were an ancient American civilization whose 5000 year old calendar
shortly ends.

"If there really is some kind of apocalypse then you could say
I've made a contribution to the survival of humanity,"said Liu.
  [Farmer Liu Qiyuan posing with survival pods that he created and dubbed
′Noah′s Arc′, in the village of Qiantun, Hebei
province, south of Beijing (AFP Photo / Ed Jones)]
Farmer Liu Qiyuan posing with survival pods that he created and dubbed
'Noah's Arc', in the village of Qiantun, Hebei province, south of
Beijing (AFP Photo / Ed Jones)
Despite their tough design Liu is yet to sell any of the pods and
he's worried about paying back the loans he took out to build them.

"I worked for many years without saving much money…invested most
of my money in the pods, because it's worth it, it's about
saving lives," he said.

But Liu isn't alone in his bid to save mankind. A businessman in
China's eastern Zhejiang province has built 21 similar spherical
survival pods which he's called "Noah's Ark" and sells
for 5 million yuan each.

While another Chinese man from the northwestern Xinjiang province
invested all his life savings of $160,000 to build an ark in case his
home is flooded out.

Meanwhile, Chinese authorities have sought to reassure citizens that the
world is not going to end on December 21st. Beijing police have posted
an online notice telling people that "the so-called end of the world
is a rumor" and citizens should instead use "scientific
concepts."
  [ Survival pods dubbed ′Noah′s Arc′ by their creator,
farmer Liu Qiyuan, stand in a yard at his home in the village of
Qiantun, Hebei province, south of Beijing on December 11, 2012 (AFP
Photo / Ed Jones)]
Survival pods dubbed 'Noah's Arc' by their creator, farmer Liu Qiyuan,
stand in a yard at his home in the village of Qiantun, Hebei province,
south of Beijing on December 11, 2012 (AFP Photo / Ed Jones) [Farmer Liu
Qiyuan posing with survival pods that he created and dubbed
′Noah′s Arc′, in the village of Qiantun, Hebei
province, south of Beijing (AFP Photo / Ed Jones)]
Farmer Liu Qiyuan posing with survival pods that he created and dubbed
'Noah's Arc', in the village of Qiantun, Hebei province, south of
Beijing (AFP Photo / Ed Jones) [Farmer Liu Qiyuan sits inside one of
seven survival pods that he has also dubbed ′Noah′s
Arc′, in a yard at his home in the village of Qiantun, Hebei
province, south of Beijing on December 11, 2012 (AFP Photo / Ed Jones)]
Farmer Liu Qiyuan sits inside one of seven survival pods that he has
also dubbed 'Noah's Arc', in a yard at his home in the village of
Qiantun, Hebei province, south of Beijing on December 11, 2012 (AFP
Photo / Ed Jones) [Farmer Liu Qiyuan poses among survival pods that he
built and has also dubbed ′Noah′s Arc′, in a yard at
his home in the village of Qiantun, Hebei province, south of Beijing on
December 11, 2012 (AFP Photo / Ed Jones)]
Farmer Liu Qiyuan poses among survival pods that he built and has also
dubbed 'Noah's Arc', in a yard at his home in the village of Qiantun,
Hebei province, south of Beijing on December 11, 2012 (AFP Photo / Ed
Jones) [Farmer Liu Qiyuan posing with survival pods that he created and
dubbed ′Noah′s Arc′, in the village of Qiantun, Hebei
province, south of Beijing (AFP Photo / Ed Jones)]
Farmer Liu Qiyuan posing with survival pods that he created and dubbed
'Noah's Arc', in the village of Qiantun, Hebei province, south of
Beijing (AFP Photo / Ed Jones)With
video:https://rt.com/news/apocalypse-china-survival-pods-004/

[FairfieldLife] Re: !Progress in the Fairfield Dome Meditation Numbers!

[Richard J. Williams]

> > Clearly East facing facades are superior, even 
> > in Feng Shui (Chinese architecture) this is true.
> >
mjackson74:
> "Clearly East facing facades are superior, even in 
> Feng Shui (Chinese architecture) this is true."
> 
> Which is clearly not true.
> 
Clearly, it's a matter of placement and positioning.

Vastu and Feng Shui teache alignment, placement, and the 
relationship of physical space in relation to man and 
nature. 

How we set up the interior of our shelters has a dramatic 
impact on our way of living. If you've ever visited a zen 
temple, you'd know what I mean.

"In the traditional Indian view, a building, if it is 
properly conceived, satisfies both a physical and 
metaphysical indigence. It has a twofold function: it 
provides 'commodity, firmness, and delight' so as to serve 
man's psychosomatic, emotional and aesthetic needs, and 
also supra-empirical principles."

Many people confuse the metaphysical aspects of building
with the physical aspects of living. For TMers, everything 
that exists in the physical world has its origin in a 
transcendent, supra-empirical field.

"This world is the image of that, and vice versa." 
(Aitareya Aranyaka, VIII.2, Keith) (1) 

[FairfieldLife] Re: "Earnest Confusion" to Nablusoss

[seventhray27]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater 
wrote:

> Isn't it fun to be both judge and jury Steve? In a world of make
believe you can be anyone you want to be. You can create the story as
you see fit, you can live out all your fantasies and work through your
scenarios of revenge. How great is that? (Plus how can anyone "own up
to" anything when they can't post?)

Ann,

Is it possible that you meant to address this post to Judy.  I mean I
think it makes a lot more sense if you did.

And Ann, bless your heart.  Asking Judy to own up to something? If you
advertised that, you could charge for admission and probably garner some
enormous receipts.

[FairfieldLife] Re: MAHARISHI’S TEACHINGS ON SEX

[Alex Stanley]

Sex can be an immensely powerful object of egoic attachment, so it has come to 
be regarded as inherently a bad thing, with abstinence being regarded as a 
spiritually ideal good thing. My take on it is that the spiritual problems with 
sex lie in a person's relationship with sex and are not inherent qualities of 
sex. With a healthy relationship with sex, i.e, no attachment and no 
expectation of fulfillment, sex (or any other pleasurable duality) can be 
enjoyed in the present moment for what it is, with no unmet expectations and no 
craving for more.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba  wrote:
>
> Haha, not referring to you, just wondered if you had thoughts to as why so 
> many people follow someone as a Saint or Master if they are believed to be 
> celibate.
>  To this way of thinking, why does belief in celibacy in full adult age bring 
> more wisdom? 
> Maybe a misinterpretation to ancient scriptures? 
> 
> 
> I like your post and it made me think.
> 
> Some people think we should shy away from questioning such "nonsense."
> I do not, because there are so many people getting harmed by believing the 
> ultimate path is celibacy and/or their marriages are pretend monogamy and 
> when power is placed in these hands, innocent people are taken advantage of 
> and then blamed for being bad themselves, the one's who may speak up and out.
> 
> The money machine drives a hard bargain when combined with spiritual creating 
> attributes.  It can deceive. It, being the money machine and greed. The 
> greed, to get something for waving a magic wand in the face of another. 
> 
> When one contemplates what has happened, there is a fear of disgrace and that 
> disgrace is held in place by wand wavers, inc., that protection for the 
> purpose to continue the same shit over and over. 
> 
> Point being, there is no magic in knowledge. No mystery to be found by 
> worshiping one's who share knowledge. It is very disgusting to use 
> information (knowledge) for deception, to lure a temporary victim for one's 
> loins.  This makes a prostitute much more truthful about their actions. Yet, 
> a prostitute is frowned upon, there is no deception in what and why sex is 
> offered. 
> I say people in spiritual positions who abuse this to their sexual advantage, 
> are actually much worse than what the perception of a prostitute is.  It is 
> clever, but nonetheless the lowest of perversions. 
> 
> 
> Sexual attraction is easy to attach with knowledge in young women's eyes. 
> People feel that attraction is love and love to share with someone because 
> they have magic secrets is just plain wrong.
> 
> Maybe there is knowledge of ancient sorts scattered about a person from 
> traditional lineage practices, but in no way is that worth sharing of the 
> body in exchange for.
> 
> Sex and religion do not mix. No matter what label religion is given.
> 
>  Young women, heed this warning. You are beautiful, you want a mate or two or 
> three, haha, and that mate who shines the light in your eyes in the name of 
> ancient wisdom, may just be holding a flashlight. 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> >
> > I'm not intrigued by it - I just expected him to do it if he said he was 
> > doing it. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  From: obbajeeba 
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 9:53 AM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: MAHARISHI’S TEACHINGS ON SEX
> >  
> > 
> >   
> > Why are many in cultures so intrigued by people being celibate to be a 
> > spiritual master, when they lack experience in feeling the birth of a 
> > child, the love of being a parent and its unconditional desire to continue 
> > to wish to help that child? 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "mjackson74"  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > For years I believed that Maharishi was a lifelong celibate because that 
> > > is what I was taught. I was surprised, really amazed when I first heard a 
> > > TM teacher say she had heard he was sexually active. I knew her pretty 
> > > well and she insisted it was true. When I asked her how she knew she told 
> > > me her sister and brother in law, both TM teachers and Governors had 
> > > assured her it was true. They had worked on national staff for some years 
> > > and yet it was not first hand information. They had gotten it from a 
> > > reliable source who had gotten it from the person who had it through 
> > > direct experience. 
> > > 
> > > Third hand info was not too impressive at the time. I did run the 
> > > information by another TM teacher who knew both myself and the person who 
> > > told me and they didn’t believe it, nor could they believe that 
> > > Susie had come to believe it. 
> > > 
> > > So the issue was a non-issue for me until I turned up here on FFL. A 
> > > brief exchange with Rick made me feel there really might be something to 
> > > the allegations so I looked fu

[FairfieldLife] Re: John Newton Forgiveness Prayer condensed versions

[turquoiseb]

Share, I have to comment. While I know that you must feel that you are
helping and doing something positive by proselytizing for all these
healers and teachers and charlatans you see, I think that you're doing
so as the result of laboring under a faulty assumption.

You seem to assume that everyone here feels as *in need of* healing and
forgiveness as you are. This simply isn't true.

I think you may be taking your experience in Fairfield (where *far* too
many people are *far* too sick *far* too much of the time, or believe
that they are) and your experiences in life (still obsessing over
traumatic or negative experiences you've had and feeling that you need
to be "healed" of them) and projecting these things onto other people.
You seem to be assuming, in other words, that everyone is pretty much
like you, and spends their lives in constant NEED of "healing" and
"forgiveness."

I think you're wrong. I, for one, almost *never* think about these
things, and furthermore, never have. I don't think that most of the
people on this forum think of them very often, either. Instead, we tend
to live our lives and focus on happier things, not wallowing in past
guilt or wanting forgiveness for past transgressions or feeling that we
need healing from a seemingly endless list of maladies.

In addition, to be perfectly honest, most of us have neither the time on
our hands that you seem to have, in which to flock to endless healers
and charlatans in search of these things, or the freely-available
amounts of money that you seem to have to spend on them.

So, while you are free to keep pursuing this seemingly endless quest for
absolution and healing yourself PLEASE don't keep assuming that everyone
on this forum (or *anyone* on this forum, for that matter) wants to
emulate your example. I honestly don't think that most people do.

We studied the things we studied and learned from the teachers we worked
with *so that we wouldn't have to keep studying with them and learning
from them forever*. We were interested in learning a few techniques or a
little useful information that would enable us to stand on our *own* two
feet spiritually, and not be constantly running off to someone else to
"do it for us."

Treating us as if we're as stuck in the "I'm not the way I want to be
yet, so I have to see another teacher or healer this week...maybe two"
rut the way you seem to be in is kinda insulting, and not nearly the
favor you seem to think it is. And we *certainly* don't need to be told
"how to pray" by someone who makes his living by selling insta-prayers
to people too uncreative to think up their own.

I guess that what I'm suggesting is that you should save your enthusiasm
about the charlatans you spend your money on for people more like
yourself. My feeling is that very few on this forum are in the market
for what you're selling, and you constantly trying to sell it to us is
getting old.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long 
wrote:
>
> prayers:  God, all that You are, please help me to forgive them. 
Please help them to forgive me.  Please help us all to forgive each
other, forgive ourselves, forgive all people and all people forgive us,
completely and totally, no matter what, please and thank you.
>
> Notes:  you can use any word or phrase in place of God.  Infinite
Light, Divine Presence, Source, Being, Divine Mother, etc.  But John
also said that any phrase would work.  In the training on Dec 8, he used
an ordinary phrase and it worked, meaning that the person's pain
subsided.  He said we're not praying to someone higher than ourselves. 
We're praying to someone more all inclusive than ourselves.
>
> John's main teacher, Howard Wills began using Ancestral Forgiveness
Prayers over 30 years ago and has helped many people with all kinds of
minor and major ailments.  John himself began working with people over
25 years ago.  He began studying with Howard about 16 years ago and
continues to also help many people with all kinds of minor and major
ailments.  John also learned the TMSP in 1992 and continues to practice
that.  Here's a slightly longer version of the prayer:
>
> prayer:  God, all that You are, for me, all my family members, all our
relationships, all our ancestors and all their relationships through all
time, through all our lives.  For all hurts and wrongs:  physical,
mental, emotional, spiritual, sexual and financial through thought, word
or deed--please help us all forgive each other, forgive ourselves,
forgive all people and all people forgive us, completely and totally, no
matter what, please and thank you.
>
> Notes:  John explains that the 4 pillars of the prayers are:  God,
forgiveness, please, thank you.  When he works with people he sometimes
says a longer version of the prayer out loud.  Sometimes has the person
repeat after him.  Sometimes he says the prayer silently.  Often he
customizes the prayer to the person's particular situation.  With his
25+ years of working successfully with people he

[FairfieldLife] Re: "Earnest Confusion" to Nablusoss

[awoelflebater]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Well Ann as I said to Curtis in my original post, I probably
> > > > > wasn't saying it right.  And I'm still no clearer about it
> > > > > than I was when I wrote the post to Curtis so am unable to 
> > > > > clarify.  Except to refer you back to the words I did use
> > > > > which did not include the word negative.
> > > > 
> > > > That's right, Ann, the words she used were (wait for it!)
> > > > "less than completely positive."
> > > > 
> > > > (Here, let me wipe the coffee off your monitor for you
> > > > while you blow your nose.)
> > > 
> > > From http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/329231...
> > > 
> > > "Tell ya what, let's make life easier for her. Let's protect
> > > her by not paying any attention to her and not interacting
> > > with her in any way. Then she'll have no reason to feel
> > > threatened, poor dear. She can just do her little act all
> > > by herself without worrying that any reality is going to be
> > > brought to her attention."
> > > 
> > > ...suggested by the person who indirectly paid attention to her and 
> > > indirectly interacted with her in some way above. (Well, that didn't last 
> > > very long.)
> > > 
> > > BTW, Curtis was at the time also having a "far from positive" discussion 
> > > with dumbass...could Share not have been referring to how Curtis was 
> > > expressing himself to dumbass? 
> > 
> > I don't think so as she replied to Nabby :
> > "dear Nablusoss, I was referring to his replies to Ann."
> > Post 329456
> > 
> > Could Ann have just given herself away by thinking Share was referring to 
> > her? 
> > 
> > And given myself away how, oh Laughing One? That I thought I was being 
> > negative? No, I do not think it nor was it my intention. Curtis and I were 
> > having an adult and civilized conversation and hence I was surprised that 
> > Share thought it was negative from my side. I can certainly be negative but 
> > I don't think even Curtis would agree that I was this time. He appeared to 
> > be cool with it all but you never can tell around here sometimes.
> > 
> > Or are both Judy and Ann "in a state of restful alertness, but no thoughts 
> > are in it, it simply reflects the truth of any situation...[where] there is 
> > no longer any need for speculation, or conjecture, or even much thought"? 
> > 
> > I think if anyone is guilty of lack of thought, or shall we just say simple 
> > powers of observation, it is the gull this time around.
> > Maybe dumbass is on to something here...
> 
> You are correct Ann as I recognized in:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/329493, that believe it 
> or not, I actually posted before reading your post above. (Judy's was first 
> in the queue and I responded to her after re-reading the exchange where I 
> found the clarifying sentence.) Jeez woman, you are quick, but I would rather 
> you had waited for me to rise to Judy's challenge before giving it away...I 
> was so proud of myself and am glad that I didn't read your give-away first. 
> Anyway, my apologies for the mistake although I thought other parts were 
> somewhat humorous, n'est-ce pas?

Hey, no biggie. I have made plenty of oversights and mistakes but I was a bit 
disconcerted to think people (yourself and Share) were 'on me' for having this 
discussion with Curtis which I felt was honest and searching. There is plenty 
of crazy negativity and projecting here at our alma mater we call FFL but there 
doesn't have to be even MORE created where there is none. But like I said, I am 
sure to be the one to make the next blooper so I better not say "I told you so!"
>  
> > > > 
> > > >   I found the dialogue between you and Curtis very interesting but not 
> > > > what I would call easy to understand.  
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > >  From: awoelflebater 
> > > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 2:59 PM
> > > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Earnest Confusion" to Nablusoss
> > > > >  
> > > > > 
> > > > >   
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > dear Nablusoss, I was referring to his replies to Ann.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Could you clarify what you mean here Share? Are you saying that my 
> > > > > interactions in the last couple of days with Curtis were negative on 
> > > > > my part?
> > > > > 
> > > > >   And I admire it when a person earns his or her living as an 
> > > > > artist.  Not easy in this day and age.  
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I think many of us on FF

[FairfieldLife] Re: "Earnest Confusion" to Nablusoss

[feste37]

I am not interested in the intricacies of your ludicrous obsessions. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> Gee, you're stupid, laughinggull.
> 
> Feste too. But you're *really* stupid.
> 
> This is my 50th post for the week, so you have until
> 7:00 p.m. tomorrow to decide whether you want me to
> document your stupidity publicly, or you'd rather 
> just quietly forget you ever said anything. You might
> want to do a little reviewing all by yourself before
> you make that decision.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Well Ann as I said to Curtis in my original post, I probably
> > > > wasn't saying it right.  And I'm still no clearer about it
> > > > than I was when I wrote the post to Curtis so am unable to 
> > > > clarify.  Except to refer you back to the words I did use
> > > > which did not include the word negative.
> > > 
> > > That's right, Ann, the words she used were (wait for it!)
> > > "less than completely positive."
> > > 
> > > (Here, let me wipe the coffee off your monitor for you
> > > while you blow your nose.)
> > 
> > From http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/329231...
> > 
> > "Tell ya what, let's make life easier for her. Let's protect
> > her by not paying any attention to her and not interacting
> > with her in any way. Then she'll have no reason to feel
> > threatened, poor dear. She can just do her little act all
> > by herself without worrying that any reality is going to be
> > brought to her attention."
> > 
> > ...suggested by the person who indirectly paid attention to her and 
> > indirectly interacted with her in some way above. (Well, that didn't last 
> > very long.)
> > 
> > BTW, Curtis was at the time also having a "far from positive" discussion 
> > with dumbass...could Share not have been referring to how Curtis was 
> > expressing himself to dumbass? Could Ann have just given herself away by 
> > thinking Share was referring to her? Or are both Judy and Ann "in a state 
> > of restful alertness, but no thoughts are in it, it simply reflects the 
> > truth of any situation...[where] there is no longer any need for 
> > speculation, or conjecture, or even much thought"? Maybe dumbass is on to 
> > something here...
> > 
> > > 
> > >   I found the dialogue between you and Curtis very interesting but not 
> > > what I would call easy to understand.  
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >  From: awoelflebater 
> > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > > > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 2:59 PM
> > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Earnest Confusion" to Nablusoss
> > > >  
> > > > 
> > > >   
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > dear Nablusoss, I was referring to his replies to Ann.
> > > > 
> > > > Could you clarify what you mean here Share? Are you saying that my 
> > > > interactions in the last couple of days with Curtis were negative on my 
> > > > part?
> > > > 
> > > >   And I admire it when a person earns his or her living as an 
> > > > artist.  Not easy in this day and age.  
> > > > > 
> > > > > I think many of us on FFL are mainly bothered by the unexpected.  
> > > > > By now I know who the anti TM people are so it doesn't bother me the 
> > > > > way that it used to.  
> > > > > 
> > > > > OTOH, I'm still recuperating from the comments you made about the 
> > > > > lips of Sheryl Crow (-:  
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > BTW, I'm still going to the Dome twice a day every day.  I hope 
> > > > > that in your eyes my pro TM actions in FF make up for my lack of  
> > > > > pro TM words on FFL.   
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > >  From: nablusoss1008 
> > > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 11:57 AM
> > > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Earnest Confusion"
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > >   
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Curtis, just want to say that I'm reading your replies carefully 
> > > > > > > because I know I can learn something from you.  How you 
> > > > > > > express yourself when people are less than completely positive 
> > > > > > > towards you.  I'm probably not saying this right but I 
> > > > > > > wanted to make the attempt anyway (-:
> > > > > 
> > > > > According to youtube this is supposed to be Curtis as he "sings" 
> > > > > during a Christmas party. (I hope it's the correct Curtis). 
> > > > > Besides being president in the hate club 
> > > > > "gotta-blame-Maharishi-for-my-miserable-life" this is what curtis 
> > > > > does to scrape by:
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Earnest Confusion" to Steve

[Share Long]

Hi Steve, this is a general comment.  I wish EVERY FFL poster more peace and or 
happiness and or well being from whatever they post here.  And from whatever 
they do in their lives away from FFL.  And this wish benefits me too so I'm 
sticking to it as best I can.  Probably my actions won't always be in 100% 
alignment with it.  But that's what I'm aiming for.    




 From: seventhray27 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 7:00 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Earnest Confusion" to Nablusoss
 

  

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater  wrote:
 
> Isn't it fun to be both judge and jury Steve? In a world of make believe you 
> can be anyone you want to be. You can create the story as you see fit, you 
> can live out all your fantasies and work through your scenarios of revenge. 
> How great is that? (Plus how can anyone "own up to" anything when they can't 
> post?)

Ann,
Is it possible that you meant to address this post to Judy.  I mean I think it 
makes a lot more sense if you did.
And Ann, bless your heart.  Asking Judy to own up to something? If you 
advertised that, you could charge for admission and probably garner some 
enormous receipts. 

 

[FairfieldLife] Re: How to survive the apocalypse....

[merudanda]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55Rcq7cgq-c

" he's worried about paying back the loans he took out to build
them."?
LOL seems to be not a TB
A unicorn is here and is there.They are your horse, and my horse.Can you
see?.
 
[http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-eqJVMLzCmP8/TWH2yVmHxdI/LgQ/pywMfsV1-\
uI/s400/tumblr_leu3xxqf9M1qeqglgo1_500.jpg]
The Mayans had many calendars and "one of them is coming to an end on
the day of December 21, 2012, but it will start all over again, none of
the Mayan calendars tell people that there is an end of the world. The
Mayan calendars have a different count each. The "ritual" cycle was 260
days long, the time between the planting of the corn, or possibly, the
time from human conception to birth. They also had a 365-day calendar,
similar to our own, and the two met once every 52 years, which also
matched the average life expectancy of a person living at that time.
A Mayan calendar with a "long count" begins with Maya creation and ends
three days before Christmas Eve, that is the focus of the end-of-the
world beliefs and interpretation by the then Catholic OFM (Ordo Fratrum
Minorum Capuccinorum)Franciscan monks at the time of creating the
"count" only. This count is broken up into 13, 400- year segments, or
baktuns. The last one ends on December 21, 2012, and the ancient Maya
believed that on December 22 they would start counting again from zero.
The day of December 21, 2012 only marks the end of the big cycle of one
of the Mayan calendars and after that, there should be the beginning of
a new cycle..
Just saying...
looking forward Christmas Eve 24.December


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808"
 wrote:
>
>
>
> Chinese survival pods to defend against 'apocalypse'
>
> As believers across the globe prepare for the forecast Mayan
apocalypse,
> a Chinese villager says he's going to save humanity with his giant
> tsunami proof survival pods.
>
> The pods are made using a fiberglass casing over a steel frame, cost
> $48,000 each to make and are equipped with oxygen tanks, food and
water
> supplies. They also come with seat belts – essential for surviving
> in storms.
>
> "The pod won't have any problems even if there are 1,000 meter
> high waves, its like a ping pong ball, its skin may be thin but it can
> withstand a lot of pressure," the balls' creator Liu Qiyuan,
> told AFP from his workshop outside Beijing.
>
> "The pods are designed to carry 14 people at a time, but it's
> possible for 30 people to survive inside for at least two months,"
> insisted Liu
>
> Indeed, their insulation is such that "a person could live for four
> months in the pod at the north or south pole without freezing," Liu
> continued.
>
> Liu explained that he was inspired into making the spheres after
seeing
> the Hollywood disaster film "2012", which is itself inspired by
> the expiry of the Mayan calendar on the 21st December 2012. The Mayans
> were an ancient American civilization whose 5000 year old calendar
> shortly ends.
>
> "If there really is some kind of apocalypse then you could say
> I've made a contribution to the survival of humanity,"said Liu.
>   [Farmer Liu Qiyuan posing with survival pods that he created and
dubbed
> ′Noah′s Arc′, in the village of Qiantun, Hebei
> province, south of Beijing (AFP Photo / Ed Jones)]
> Farmer Liu Qiyuan posing with survival pods that he created and dubbed
> 'Noah's Arc', in the village of Qiantun, Hebei province, south of
> Beijing (AFP Photo / Ed Jones)
> Despite their tough design Liu is yet to sell any of the pods and
> he's worried about paying back the loans he took out to build them.
>
> "I worked for many years without saving much money…invested most
> of my money in the pods, because it's worth it, it's about
> saving lives," he said.
>
> But Liu isn't alone in his bid to save mankind. A businessman in
> China's eastern Zhejiang province has built 21 similar spherical
> survival pods which he's called "Noah's Ark" and sells
> for 5 million yuan each.
>
> While another Chinese man from the northwestern Xinjiang province
> invested all his life savings of $160,000 to build an ark in case his
> home is flooded out.
>
> Meanwhile, Chinese authorities have sought to reassure citizens that
the
> world is not going to end on December 21st. Beijing police have posted
> an online notice telling people that "the so-called end of the world
> is a rumor" and citizens should instead use "scientific
> concepts."
>   [ Survival pods dubbed ′Noah′s Arc′ by their
creator,
> farmer Liu Qiyuan, stand in a yard at his home in the village of
> Qiantun, Hebei province, south of Beijing on December 11, 2012 (AFP
> Photo / Ed Jones)]
> Survival pods dubbed 'Noah's Arc' by their creator, farmer Liu Qiyuan,
> stand in a yard at his home in the village of Qiantun, Hebei province,
> south of Beijing on December 11, 2012 (AFP Photo / Ed Jones) [Farmer
Liu
> Qiyuan posing with survival pods that he 

[FairfieldLife] Re: John Newton Forgiveness Prayer condensed versions

[Xenophaneros Anartaxius]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> Share, I have to comment. While I know that you must feel that you are
> helping and doing something positive by proselytizing for all these
> healers and teachers and charlatans you see, I think that you're doing
> so as the result of laboring under a faulty assumption.
> 
> You seem to assume that everyone here feels as *in need of* healing and
> forgiveness as you are. This simply isn't true.
> 
> I think you may be taking your experience in Fairfield (where *far* too
> many people are *far* too sick *far* too much of the time, or believe
> that they are) and your experiences in life (still obsessing over
> traumatic or negative experiences you've had and feeling that you need
> to be "healed" of them) and projecting these things onto other people.
> You seem to be assuming, in other words, that everyone is pretty much
> like you, and spends their lives in constant NEED of "healing" and
> "forgiveness."
> 
> I think you're wrong. I, for one, almost *never* think about these
> things, and furthermore, never have. I don't think that most of the
> people on this forum think of them very often, either. Instead, we tend
> to live our lives and focus on happier things, not wallowing in past
> guilt or wanting forgiveness for past transgressions or feeling that we
> need healing from a seemingly endless list of maladies.
> 
> In addition, to be perfectly honest, most of us have neither the time on
> our hands that you seem to have, in which to flock to endless healers
> and charlatans in search of these things, or the freely-available
> amounts of money that you seem to have to spend on them.
> 
> So, while you are free to keep pursuing this seemingly endless quest for
> absolution and healing yourself PLEASE don't keep assuming that everyone
> on this forum (or *anyone* on this forum, for that matter) wants to
> emulate your example. I honestly don't think that most people do.
> 
> We studied the things we studied and learned from the teachers we worked
> with *so that we wouldn't have to keep studying with them and learning
> from them forever*. We were interested in learning a few techniques or a
> little useful information that would enable us to stand on our *own* two
> feet spiritually, and not be constantly running off to someone else to
> "do it for us."
> 
> Treating us as if we're as stuck in the "I'm not the way I want to be
> yet, so I have to see another teacher or healer this week...maybe two"
> rut the way you seem to be in is kinda insulting, and not nearly the
> favor you seem to think it is. And we *certainly* don't need to be told
> "how to pray" by someone who makes his living by selling insta-prayers
> to people too uncreative to think up their own.
> 
> I guess that what I'm suggesting is that you should save your enthusiasm
> about the charlatans you spend your money on for people more like
> yourself. My feeling is that very few on this forum are in the market
> for what you're selling, and you constantly trying to sell it to us is
> getting old.
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long 
> wrote:
>>
>> prayers: God, all that You are, please help me to forgive them. 
> Please help them to forgive me. Please help us all to forgive each
> other, forgive ourselves, forgive all people and all people forgive us,
> completely and totally, no matter what, please and thank you.
>>
>> Notes: you can use any word or phrase in place of God. Infinite
> Light, Divine Presence, Source, Being, Divine Mother, etc. But John
> also said that any phrase would work. In the training on Dec 8, he used
> an ordinary phrase and it worked, meaning that the person's pain
> subsided. He said we're not praying to someone higher than ourselves. 
> We're praying to someone more all inclusive than ourselves.
>>
>> John's main teacher, Howard Wills began using Ancestral Forgiveness
> Prayers over 30 years ago and has helped many people with all kinds of
> minor and major ailments. John himself began working with people over
> 25 years ago. He began studying with Howard about 16 years ago and
> continues to also help many people with all kinds of minor and major
> ailments. John also learned the TMSP in 1992 and continues to practice
> that. Here's a slightly longer version of the prayer:
>>
>> prayer: God, all that You are, for me, all my family members, all our
> relationships, all our ancestors and all their relationships through all
> time, through all our lives. For all hurts and wrongs: physical,
> mental, emotional, spiritual, sexual and financial through thought, word
> or deed--please help us all forgive each other, forgive ourselves,
> forgive all people and all people forgive us, completely and totally, no
> matter what, please and thank you.
>>
>> Notes: John explains that the 4 pillars of the prayers are: God,
> forgiveness, please, thank you. When he works with people he sometimes
> says a longer version of the prayer out loud. So

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: John Newton Forgiveness Prayer condensed versions

[Share Long]

Thanks, Turq.  I agree with what you say about most of the FFL people.  That 
they aren't in need of or even interested in this kind of post.  But I send 
something if I think it might be helpful for even one FFL poster or someone 
they love.  I don't necessarily have a particular person in mind. And I'm not 
really making any assumption except that I don't know all the details about the 
life and loved ones of anyone here.  I certainly assume that people will ignore 
my posts if they're not useful to them.  

Apologies to anyone who may have felt as you suggest, insulted, by such posts 
of mine.



 From: turquoiseb 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 7:18 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: John Newton Forgiveness Prayer condensed versions
 

  
Share, I have to comment. While I know that you must feel that you are helping 
and doing something positive by proselytizing for all these healers and 
teachers and charlatans you see, I think that you're doing so as the result of 
laboring under a faulty assumption.

You seem to assume that everyone here feels as *in need of* healing and 
forgiveness as you are. This simply isn't true. 

I think you may be taking your experience in Fairfield (where *far* too many 
people are *far* too sick *far* too much of the time, or believe that they are) 
and your experiences in life (still obsessing over traumatic or negative 
experiences you've had and feeling that you need to be "healed" of them) and 
projecting these things onto other people. You seem to be assuming, in other 
words, that everyone is pretty much like you, and spends their lives in 
constant NEED of "healing" and "forgiveness." 

I think you're wrong. I, for one, almost *never* think about these things, and 
furthermore, never have. I don't think that most of the people on this forum 
think of them very often, either. Instead, we tend to live our lives and focus 
on happier things, not wallowing in past guilt or wanting forgiveness for past 
transgressions or feeling that we need healing from a seemingly endless list of 
maladies. 

In addition, to be perfectly honest, most of us have neither the time on our 
hands that you seem to have, in which to flock to endless healers and 
charlatans in search of these things, or the freely-available amounts of money 
that you seem to have to spend on them. 

So, while you are free to keep pursuing this seemingly endless quest for 
absolution and healing yourself PLEASE don't keep assuming that everyone on 
this forum (or *anyone* on this forum, for that matter) wants to emulate your 
example. I honestly don't think that most people do. 

We studied the things we studied and learned from the teachers we worked with 
*so that we wouldn't have to keep studying with them and learning from them 
forever*. We were interested in learning a few techniques or a little useful 
information that would enable us to stand on our *own* two feet spiritually, 
and not be constantly running off to someone else to "do it for us." 

Treating us as if we're as stuck in the "I'm not the way I want to be yet, so I 
have to see another teacher or healer this week...maybe two" rut the way you 
seem to be in is kinda insulting, and not nearly the favor you seem to think it 
is. And we *certainly* don't need to be told "how to pray" by someone who makes 
his living by selling insta-prayers to people too uncreative to think up their 
own. 

I guess that what I'm suggesting is that you should save your enthusiasm about 
the charlatans you spend your money on for people more like yourself. My 
feeling is that very few on this forum are in the market for what you're 
selling, and you constantly trying to sell it to us is getting old.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> prayers:  God, all that You are, please help me to forgive them.  Please help 
> them to forgive me.  Please help us all to forgive each other, forgive 
> ourselves, forgive all people and all people forgive us, completely and 
> totally, no matter what, please and thank you.
> 
> Notes:  you can use any word or phrase in place of God.  Infinite Light, 
> Divine Presence, Source, Being, Divine Mother, etc.  But John also said that 
> any phrase would work.  In the training on Dec 8, he used an ordinary phrase 
> and it worked, meaning that the person's pain subsided.  He said we're not 
> praying to someone higher than ourselves.  We're praying to someone more all 
> inclusive than ourselves.
>   
> John's main teacher, Howard Wills began using Ancestral Forgiveness Prayers 
> over 30 years ago and has helped many people with all kinds of minor and 
> major ailments.  John himself began working with people over 25 years ago.  
> He began studying with Howard about 16 years ago and continues to also help 
> many people with all kinds of minor and major ailments.  John also learned 
> the TMSP in 1992 and continues to practice that.  Here's a sl

[FairfieldLife] Re: John Newton Forgiveness Prayer condensed versions

[curtisdeltablues]

You know Barry I just got this fantastic deodorant. (eyebrows raised to near my 
hairline) And it is really great. (Knowing look leveled, slight dimple at the 
corner of my mouth.)

It really helps with, you know, the odors...(pregnant pause) you know (head 
nods up and down a few times.

If you need help finding coupons for some to reduce the cost, I would be happy 
to help you find some. ( Now I am locking onto your eyes like a tiger and a 
spring buck.)

I have many friends who found it highly beneficial to use some of this daily to 
avoid social embarrassment.( Wink, wink, nudge, nudge.)

Of course I'm not implying that you stink like a troll who spent the day 
underground mining precious metals next to a blast furnace, but I just wanted 
you to know that I believe that you might find that fewer people have to blow 
lunch after spending time in an elevator with you if you enjoyed some of this 
wonderful product.(Now my hand is on your shoulder, my head is tilted slightly 
to the right, and I am continuously nodding like a bobblehead doll in the rear 
window of a car going over cobble stones.)

Deodorant.  Just say'n, deodorant.  Might want to consider some sometime...


(I hope the community appreciates the restraint it took to pass up using some 
other products for that not so fresh feeling.)







--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> Share, I have to comment. While I know that you must feel that you are
> helping and doing something positive by proselytizing for all these
> healers and teachers and charlatans you see, I think that you're doing
> so as the result of laboring under a faulty assumption.
> 
> You seem to assume that everyone here feels as *in need of* healing and
> forgiveness as you are. This simply isn't true.
> 
> I think you may be taking your experience in Fairfield (where *far* too
> many people are *far* too sick *far* too much of the time, or believe
> that they are) and your experiences in life (still obsessing over
> traumatic or negative experiences you've had and feeling that you need
> to be "healed" of them) and projecting these things onto other people.
> You seem to be assuming, in other words, that everyone is pretty much
> like you, and spends their lives in constant NEED of "healing" and
> "forgiveness."
> 
> I think you're wrong. I, for one, almost *never* think about these
> things, and furthermore, never have. I don't think that most of the
> people on this forum think of them very often, either. Instead, we tend
> to live our lives and focus on happier things, not wallowing in past
> guilt or wanting forgiveness for past transgressions or feeling that we
> need healing from a seemingly endless list of maladies.
> 
> In addition, to be perfectly honest, most of us have neither the time on
> our hands that you seem to have, in which to flock to endless healers
> and charlatans in search of these things, or the freely-available
> amounts of money that you seem to have to spend on them.
> 
> So, while you are free to keep pursuing this seemingly endless quest for
> absolution and healing yourself PLEASE don't keep assuming that everyone
> on this forum (or *anyone* on this forum, for that matter) wants to
> emulate your example. I honestly don't think that most people do.
> 
> We studied the things we studied and learned from the teachers we worked
> with *so that we wouldn't have to keep studying with them and learning
> from them forever*. We were interested in learning a few techniques or a
> little useful information that would enable us to stand on our *own* two
> feet spiritually, and not be constantly running off to someone else to
> "do it for us."
> 
> Treating us as if we're as stuck in the "I'm not the way I want to be
> yet, so I have to see another teacher or healer this week...maybe two"
> rut the way you seem to be in is kinda insulting, and not nearly the
> favor you seem to think it is. And we *certainly* don't need to be told
> "how to pray" by someone who makes his living by selling insta-prayers
> to people too uncreative to think up their own.
> 
> I guess that what I'm suggesting is that you should save your enthusiasm
> about the charlatans you spend your money on for people more like
> yourself. My feeling is that very few on this forum are in the market
> for what you're selling, and you constantly trying to sell it to us is
> getting old.
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long 
> wrote:
> >
> > prayers:  God, all that You are, please help me to forgive them. 
> Please help them to forgive me.  Please help us all to forgive each
> other, forgive ourselves, forgive all people and all people forgive us,
> completely and totally, no matter what, please and thank you.
> >
> > Notes:  you can use any word or phrase in place of God.  Infinite
> Light, Divine Presence, Source, Being, Divine Mother, etc.  But John
> also said that any phrase would work.  In the training on Dec 8, he used
> an ordinary phrase a

[FairfieldLife] Re: John Newton Forgiveness Prayer condensed versions

[Alex Stanley]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
wrote:
>
> (I hope the community appreciates the restraint it took to pass up
> using some other products for that not so fresh feeling.)
 
To heck with restraint!

http://youtu.be/N91XsdrBqUY

[FairfieldLife] Re: John Newton Forgiveness Prayer condensed versions

[salyavin808]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> Thanks, Turq.  I agree with what you say about most of the FFL people.  
> That they aren't in need of or even interested in this kind of post.  But I 
> send something if I think it might be helpful for even one FFL poster or 
> someone they love.  I don't necessarily have a particular person in mind. 
> And I'm not really making any assumption except that I don't know all the 
> details about the life and loved ones of anyone here.  I certainly assume 
> that people will ignore my posts if they're not useful to them.  
> 
> Apologies to anyone who may have felt as you suggest, insulted, by such posts 
> of mine.

We forgive you ;-)


>  From: turquoiseb 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 7:18 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: John Newton Forgiveness Prayer condensed versions
>  
> 
>   
> Share, I have to comment. While I know that you must feel that you are 
> helping and doing something positive by proselytizing for all these healers 
> and teachers and charlatans you see, I think that you're doing so as the 
> result of laboring under a faulty assumption.
> 
> You seem to assume that everyone here feels as *in need of* healing and 
> forgiveness as you are. This simply isn't true. 
> 
> I think you may be taking your experience in Fairfield (where *far* too many 
> people are *far* too sick *far* too much of the time, or believe that they 
> are) and your experiences in life (still obsessing over traumatic or negative 
> experiences you've had and feeling that you need to be "healed" of them) and 
> projecting these things onto other people. You seem to be assuming, in other 
> words, that everyone is pretty much like you, and spends their lives in 
> constant NEED of "healing" and "forgiveness." 
> 
> I think you're wrong. I, for one, almost *never* think about these things, 
> and furthermore, never have. I don't think that most of the people on this 
> forum think of them very often, either. Instead, we tend to live our lives 
> and focus on happier things, not wallowing in past guilt or wanting 
> forgiveness for past transgressions or feeling that we need healing from a 
> seemingly endless list of maladies. 
> 
> In addition, to be perfectly honest, most of us have neither the time on our 
> hands that you seem to have, in which to flock to endless healers and 
> charlatans in search of these things, or the freely-available amounts of 
> money that you seem to have to spend on them. 
> 
> So, while you are free to keep pursuing this seemingly endless quest for 
> absolution and healing yourself PLEASE don't keep assuming that everyone on 
> this forum (or *anyone* on this forum, for that matter) wants to emulate your 
> example. I honestly don't think that most people do. 
> 
> We studied the things we studied and learned from the teachers we worked with 
> *so that we wouldn't have to keep studying with them and learning from them 
> forever*. We were interested in learning a few techniques or a little useful 
> information that would enable us to stand on our *own* two feet spiritually, 
> and not be constantly running off to someone else to "do it for us." 
> 
> Treating us as if we're as stuck in the "I'm not the way I want to be yet, so 
> I have to see another teacher or healer this week...maybe two" rut the way 
> you seem to be in is kinda insulting, and not nearly the favor you seem to 
> think it is. And we *certainly* don't need to be told "how to pray" by 
> someone who makes his living by selling insta-prayers to people too 
> uncreative to think up their own. 
> 
> I guess that what I'm suggesting is that you should save your enthusiasm 
> about the charlatans you spend your money on for people more like yourself. 
> My feeling is that very few on this forum are in the market for what you're 
> selling, and you constantly trying to sell it to us is getting old.
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> >
> > prayers:  God, all that You are, please help me to forgive them.  Please 
> > help them to forgive me.  Please help us all to forgive each other, 
> > forgive ourselves, forgive all people and all people forgive us, completely 
> > and totally, no matter what, please and thank you.
> > 
> > Notes:  you can use any word or phrase in place of God.  Infinite Light, 
> > Divine Presence, Source, Being, Divine Mother, etc.  But John also said 
> > that any phrase would work.  In the training on Dec 8, he used an ordinary 
> > phrase and it worked, meaning that the person's pain subsided.  He said 
> > we're not praying to someone higher than ourselves.  We're praying to 
> > someone more all inclusive than ourselves.
> >   
> > John's main teacher, Howard Wills began using Ancestral Forgiveness Prayers 
> > over 30 years ago and has helped many people with all kinds of minor and 
> > major ailments.  John himse

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: John Newton Forgiveness Prayer condensed versions

[Share Long]

  (-:





 From: salyavin808 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 10:15 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: John Newton Forgiveness Prayer condensed versions
 

  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> Thanks, Turq.  I agree with what you say about most of the FFL people.  
> That they aren't in need of or even interested in this kind of post.  But I 
> send something if I think it might be helpful for even one FFL poster or 
> someone they love.  I don't necessarily have a particular person in mind. 
> And I'm not really making any assumption except that I don't know all the 
> details about the life and loved ones of anyone here.  I certainly assume 
> that people will ignore my posts if they're not useful to them.  
> 
> Apologies to anyone who may have felt as you suggest, insulted, by such posts 
> of mine.

We forgive you ;-)


>  From: turquoiseb 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 7:18 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: John Newton Forgiveness Prayer condensed versions
> 
> 
>   
> Share, I have to comment. While I know that you must feel that you are 
> helping and doing something positive by proselytizing for all these healers 
> and teachers and charlatans you see, I think that you're doing so as the 
> result of laboring under a faulty assumption.
> 
> You seem to assume that everyone here feels as *in need of* healing and 
> forgiveness as you are. This simply isn't true. 
> 
> I think you may be taking your experience in Fairfield (where *far* too many 
> people are *far* too sick *far* too much of the time, or believe that they 
> are) and your experiences in life (still obsessing over traumatic or negative 
> experiences you've had and feeling that you need to be "healed" of them) and 
> projecting these things onto other people. You seem to be assuming, in other 
> words, that everyone is pretty much like you, and spends their lives in 
> constant NEED of "healing" and "forgiveness." 
> 
> I think you're wrong. I, for one, almost *never* think about these things, 
> and furthermore, never have. I don't think that most of the people on this 
> forum think of them very often, either. Instead, we tend to live our lives 
> and focus on happier things, not wallowing in past guilt or wanting 
> forgiveness for past transgressions or feeling that we need healing from a 
> seemingly endless list of maladies. 
> 
> In addition, to be perfectly honest, most of us have neither the time on our 
> hands that you seem to have, in which to flock to endless healers and 
> charlatans in search of these things, or the freely-available amounts of 
> money that you seem to have to spend on them. 
> 
> So, while you are free to keep pursuing this seemingly endless quest for 
> absolution and healing yourself PLEASE don't keep assuming that everyone on 
> this forum (or *anyone* on this forum, for that matter) wants to emulate your 
> example. I honestly don't think that most people do. 
> 
> We studied the things we studied and learned from the teachers we worked with 
> *so that we wouldn't have to keep studying with them and learning from them 
> forever*. We were interested in learning a few techniques or a little useful 
> information that would enable us to stand on our *own* two feet spiritually, 
> and not be constantly running off to someone else to "do it for us." 
> 
> Treating us as if we're as stuck in the "I'm not the way I want to be yet, so 
> I have to see another teacher or healer this week...maybe two" rut the way 
> you seem to be in is kinda insulting, and not nearly the favor you seem to 
> think it is. And we *certainly* don't need to be told "how to pray" by 
> someone who makes his living by selling insta-prayers to people too 
> uncreative to think up their own. 
> 
> I guess that what I'm suggesting is that you should save your enthusiasm 
> about the charlatans you spend your money on for people more like yourself. 
> My feeling is that very few on this forum are in the market for what you're 
> selling, and you constantly trying to sell it to us is getting old.
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> >
> > prayers:  God, all that You are, please help me to forgive them.  Please 
> > help them to forgive me.  Please help us all to forgive each other, 
> > forgive ourselves, forgive all people and all people forgive us, completely 
> > and totally, no matter what, please and thank you.
> > 
> > Notes:  you can use any word or phrase in place of God.  Infinite Light, 
> > Divine Presence, Source, Being, Divine Mother, etc.  But John also said 
> > that any phrase would work.  In the training on Dec 8, he used an ordinary 
> > phrase and it worked, meaning that the person's pain subsided.  He said 
> > we're not praying to someone higher than ourselves.  We're praying to 
> > someone more all in

[FairfieldLife] Re: "Earnest Confusion" to Nablusoss

[seventhray27]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater 
wrote:

> Hey, no biggie. I have made plenty of oversights and mistakes but I
was a bit disconcerted to think people (yourself and Share) were 'on me'
for having this discussion with Curtis which I felt was honest and
searching. There is plenty of crazy negativity and projecting here at
our alma mater we call FFL but there doesn't have to be even MORE
created where there is none. But like I said, I am sure to be the one to
make the next blooper so I better not say "I told you so!"

Hey, I guess this is what you call a gracious and classy reply, instead
of what we might have expected from Judy along the lines how how
RALY, REALY STOOOPID someone is for making an
innocent mistake.
But that would be the Judester for ya.
(46)

[FairfieldLife] Re: "Earnest Confusion" to Steve

[seventhray27]

All I can say Share, is that something is working for you.  People love to 
ridicule what they like to refer to as "woo woo", but I see you swimming 
gracefully with both with the dolphins and the sharks here. 

I hope your upcoming trip to the DC area to see your Mom and other family 
members is an enjoyable one.

(47) 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> Hi Steve, this is a general comment.  I wish EVERY FFL poster more peace and 
> or happiness and or well being from whatever they post here.  And from 
> whatever they do in their lives away from FFL.  And this wish benefits me 
> too so I'm sticking to it as best I can.  Probably my actions won't always 
> be in 100% alignment with it.  But that's what I'm aiming for.    
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: seventhray27 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 7:00 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Earnest Confusion" to Nablusoss
>  
> 
>   
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater  wrote:
>  
> > Isn't it fun to be both judge and jury Steve? In a world of make believe 
> > you can be anyone you want to be. You can create the story as you see fit, 
> > you can live out all your fantasies and work through your scenarios of 
> > revenge. How great is that? (Plus how can anyone "own up to" anything when 
> > they can't post?)
> 
> Ann,
> Is it possible that you meant to address this post to Judy.  I mean I think 
> it makes a lot more sense if you did.
> And Ann, bless your heart.  Asking Judy to own up to something? If you 
> advertised that, you could charge for admission and probably garner some 
> enormous receipts. 
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Bob Roth Discusses 'David Wants to Fly' | Conscious Times Online

[curtisdeltablues]

Bobby does the Jerry routine very well.  The devil is in the details.  He 
claims Judith has no corroboration showing that he didn't read the book.  Or 
does he think that it is common for people to be seen when they are having sex 
privately?

But behind the easy smile and skillful PR technique we have a guy saying things 
like this: (This was transcribed and my not be an exact quote but this is not 
the only time the movement has thrown up this number.)

*But I wouldn't be doing it, and six million other people wouldn't be doing it 
for so many years if it didn't help them spiritually.*


It would be hard to imagine making a case that he is unaware that this number 
is a misleading lie. At the very least it is uncorroborated, the sin he leveled 
against Judith, because the movement lost interest in finding out their dropout 
rate once they discovered how overwhelmingly high it is. It is a deliberate 
attempt to make is see as though most (or in this case every single person ever 
initiated supposedly ) stick with TM.  They do not and I know that for a fact 
from heading the project to call the 10,000 people initiated in the DC TM 
center.  (I have discussed this before so I won't repeat the details which can 
be summed up: people who continued with TM were a needle in the haystack.)

There is so much ends justifying the means in the spin guys like Bobby are 
using.  He knows this is bullshit, but it serves a purpose, it gives an 
impression.  Unfortunately that impression is wrong. TM is not so wonderful 
that most people stick with it, it is the opposite.  And this is a revealing 
fact considering what is claimed about the practice, and how profound the 
benefits are claimed to be.  

If contacting the "transcendent" really was as it is advertized, TM would be 
harder to quit than unfiltered Gitanes Cigarettes.  

Again the transcribed Bobby:

*Not one legitimate newspaper or publication has or would ever run this story 
because there is no corroboration. Anyone can say anything they want to in this 
country.*

>From his mouth to God's ear.















--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> http://www.conscioustimesonline.com/2011/03/bob-roth-discusses-david-wants-t
> o-fly/
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: "Earnest Confusion"

[doctordumbass]

Hey Steve,

You make me sound like a stick up my ass automaton here -lol. I think it was 
Byron Katie who said she had no business knowing what other people thought of 
her. It took me a while to recognize that, and to accept it (for myself, not 
her - lol). 

So I enjoy responding to others here, and in my life, though I am no  longer 
reactive. In order to be so would mean that I am protecting myself against what 
others think of me. 

Responding and reacting feel very differently. The first is for clarification, 
the second, for protection. And please don't let my cursing be mistaken for 
reacting - I just fucking enjoy it!

However, I have been *very* reactive in the past. Insulted people's 
professions, and just said some plainly shitty things. Wy over the top - it 
was fun at the time, as many shortsighted activities are, but ultimately not 
who I want myself to be.

And to Curtis, earlier I ridiculed your vocation as a musician and performer, 
and lover of The Blues, and I apologize straight up for that. Shitty thing to 
do. After the last three years of my life, I *get* the blues.:-) But this isn't 
about me. Its about criticizing your love and dedication for something that is 
a wonderful gift from you, to many.

Having said that, I really enjoy participating here, with all my quirks. I 
adopted the name Doctor Dumbass for two reasons:

1. 'Doctor', because I far prefer a scalpel, now, to a grenade.

2. 'Dumbass', because I never stop learning, nor would want to.

and on that basis, let's us all *Carpe Fucking Diem*!!

Thanks, Steve


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"  wrote:
>
> 
> Hey Jim,
> 
> I take it that your response would not be an example of someone being
> "triggered" by something, which would then require the requisite self
> reflection, but rather, is an example of a clear eyed knower of reality
> "seeing things as they are", with no need to equivicate about it?
> 
> I mean, I know that this is how you see it, but I'd like to hear you say
> it.  I am not faulting you for it.  I'd just like if you could stake out
> your position, (or correct me if I am mistaken).
> 
> I noticed that you are now giving out "clean bills of health"
> 
> Care to give me an evaluation?
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ 
> wrote:
> >
> > Right on, Wolf-Baiter (though in this case your subject, Curtis, is a
> pink little poodle baby, with apologies to poodles everywhere.) - Or,
> switching scenes, he reminds me of a guy my first wife told me about
> years ago, who was trying to ask the office babe out for lunch.
> >
> > He starts telling her a saucy little joke, but then inadvertently
> sneezed a rather large, um, booger, onto her desk. He blithely flicked
> it away with his finger, and continued with his humor. Lunch never, ever
> happened, though the story made the rounds.
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@ wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
>  wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robin Carlsen"
>  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog" 
> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > > > ME: I already responded to Dr Dumb Ass's snipped comments. I will
> accept Raunchy's as a writing prompt.
> > > >
> > > > RD:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I like what you say here, Doc. Just to guild your lily a
> little, I'd say that irreverence is a performance art of disaffected
> seekers. They indulge in tipping sacred cows hoping people will react in
> horror.
> > > >
> > > > ME: Let me stop you there. Can you name a single person who could
> be expected to react in horror from a satiric piece on Christianity
> here? Name one pearl-clutcher, to use you apt image. A single person
> whose identification with the ideas contained in the myths of
> Christianity, is so complete that anything I wrote could be expected to
> react in the way your are trying to project here. One.
> > >
> > > Hey Curtis, just some thoughts on your responses/questions here.
> Upon reading your post of yesterday I was carried along on that magic
> carpet ride only you here at FFL are capable of providing. Words come
> out of you as sleek as little seals and they squirm and splash around
> beautifully, effortlessly. And I find my eyes gliding along with these
> little creatures frolicking away and before I know it you have
> transported me someplace. That place includes twists and turns and drops
> and rolls. But then sometimes the little journey I am on strands me in a
> kind of bizarre place, an uncomfortable place. Your 'Christmas' spiel
> did just that. Not because I am religious, not because I am Christian,
> not because I am conservative or narrow. I think it was because in
> between all of those really fun little jumps and dives there were these
> other things too.
> > >
> > > I re-read your piece a few times to try and underst

[FairfieldLife] Re: Sthapatya Veda is just a Placebo Effect

[Buck]

> 
> 
> >
> > Good post that has some lot of truth in it.  But Meditators in Fairfield 
> > generally are a lot more sensible about Sthapathya Ved now than you give 
> > them credit for.   At a minimum the Brits should build to facilitate their 
> > spiritual practice as a standard of living.  Build something modest to 
> > facilitate their group meditation program and then build modest 
> > super-energy efficient housing that is cost effective for its occupants, 
> > like housing being no more than 25% of their incomes.  If people are going 
> > to be taking time out to be mystical then they need to live in a way at a 
> > standard of living that can generally afford that.  It is proly the mistake 
> > of Fairfield that so much was built that people can't really afford in the 
> > new-normal of the economy.
> > 
> > In Fairfield if new housing is going to be built it should be scaled for 
> > people in jobs earning $8.81 an hour.  Or retired people on social security 
> > incomes of  $1,100 per month. Or the Invincible America course participant 
> > on $800 stipend a month.  
> > 
> > But the student housing should be on campus, and yes the students should be 
> > meditating.  They are damn lucky to have the opportunity as part of the 
> > schooling.  They just need more discipline and come up with more 
> > self-direction.  If they don't want to be meditators at a meditaing 
> > university then they should go to a community college somewhere else.  
> > Trending now is that Older students in particular seem to want more privacy 
> > than traditional dorm rooms.  For a while the sustainable living students 
> > were solving the problem by living in RV's which are more readily adaptable 
> > as projects to live in for direct solar energy.
> > Times have changed,
> > -Buck in the Dome
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "allanrosenzweig"  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > It is sorry to see people in Skelmersdale working to make a whole new 
> > > Sthapatya-vedic village, wasting all the effort to build a community, 
> > > including a Golden Dome, with the idea that much good will come of it.
> > > 
> > > We all want to believe that Maharishi is 100% correct.  But we have also 
> > > seen Veda Land fail, Deepak Chopra going off on his own, tallest building 
> > > in the world in the center of India, and other failed projects and 
> > > mistakes.  We tend to forget about these. He does not have to be 100% 
> > > correct to be the wisest man on Earth.  90%, or even 80%, is still WAY 
> > > above everyone else.
> > > 
> > > If the Brits are looking to Fairfield Iowa as an example of SV "success" 
> > > think again.  Telegroup was doing fine, as one of the top 1% of American 
> > > businesses, until they established their headquarters in a new SV 
> > > building.  They not only did NOT succeed, they started going  bankrupt.  
> > > Telegroup went from hiring over 400 employees, to hiring zero - even 
> > > though it is in an industry that has flourished, telecommunications. Same 
> > > with Global Link, and other companies in Fairfield that put their faith 
> > > in SV.
> > > 
> > > MUM tore down about 15 "pod" dormitories that were in good shape because 
> > > the were not SV.  They had to have a fund raiser to tear them down.  
> > > There was no massive influx of students - mainly visa seeking foreign 
> > > students who don't seem to really care about the meditation.  There is 
> > > not enough housing, so many have to live off campus, and tend to be less 
> > > on the program.  It would have been better to keep the pods, and get the 
> > > revenue for the rooms for the students. There is not enough money to 
> > > build replacement housing.  There are just empty fields there.
> > >
> 
> It's true the campus is suffering a dreadful housing shortage for students 
> because someone tore down dorms, frats and pods without replacing them. The 
> President?
> 
>

Also they have a problem now hosting a cohesive group meditation for just 
meditators with their having torn down the big chapel that had come with the 
campus and not replacing it with something as significant to central campus to 
meditate in.  These were all really someone's bad.  The President's?  

  
> > > If something is going to work, it will show results.  We have given SV 
> > > about 20 years to show that it works.  There is not a single scientific 
> > > article published about it, much less its success.   People would have 
> > > noticed, in thousands of years, if facing east really brought success or 
> > > if south did not.  When does the Sun go from being good at sunrise in the 
> > > east to being bad around noon in the south?  The whole sun-based "logic" 
> > > is not internally consistent.  SV is just a placebo effect.  If you think 
> > > it works, it does.  If you don't think it works, you are also right.
> > > 
> > > Skelmersdale, save your time and money.  Build on what you have already 
> > > achieved.  Maharishi's TM, TM-Si

[FairfieldLife] Re: Bob Roth Discusses 'David Wants to Fly' | Conscious Times Online

[salyavin808]

He's a mighty fine PR man and no mistake. To answer
virtually none of the questions and still leave everyone
feeling they are part of the greatest spiritual adventure
ever takes some doing. He's worth the course credits and
amrit kalash they pay him, for sure.

But I don't believe 6,000,000 do TM, that would be enough
to transform the world on its own (according to the theory 
that went completely unquestioned in the interview.)

Maybe the real reason J Bourque's book wasn't taken up by
the mainstream media is that no-one really cares about it?
I've seen more salacious gossip on the front page of The Times
than "Robes of Silk..." It's damn clever of Bob to paint 
everything on the net as unreliable. Remember, only that 
published research is worth our attention



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> http://www.conscioustimesonline.com/2011/03/bob-roth-discusses-david-wants-t
> o-fly/
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: "Earnest Confusion" to Nablusoss

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater 
> wrote:
> 
> > Hey, no biggie. I have made plenty of oversights and 
> > mistakes but I was a bit disconcerted to think people 
> > (yourself and Share) were 'on me' for having this 
> > discussion with Curtis which I felt was honest and
> > searching. There is plenty of crazy negativity and 
> > projecting here at our alma mater we call FFL but there 
> > doesn't have to be even MORE created where there is none. 
> > But like I said, I am sure to be the one to make the 
> > next blooper so I better not say "I told you so!"
> 
> Hey, I guess this is what you call a gracious and classy 
> reply, instead of what we might have expected from Judy 
> along the lines how how RALY, REALY 
> STOOOPID someone is for making an innocent mistake.
> But that would be the Judester for ya.

What I find fascinating is that Ann SO misses the point.
That is, that what *she* calls an "honest and searching
discussion" is very much in the model of Robin's 
"confrontations," and what Curtis and others have termed
"boundary violations."

The essence of them is, "I'm going to say things about
you that are negative and demeaning, and it's OK because
I really believe them to be true. Now *your* job is to
respond defensively to them and have an argument with
me, so that I can demonstrate my superiority to you."
She doesn't even GET that she's being consistently
bitchy, mean, and pretending to be oh-so-superior
to the people she tries to lure into arguments with
her.

This is the act that many of us are so tired of here.
WE DON'T OWE YOU SHIT, much less an argument, just
because you want to have one. We certainly don't owe
you one when you hide your argument-provoking behind
a mask of having an "honest and searching discussion."

You (meaning Ann, Robin, Jimbo, Ravi, Raunchydog, and
others who specialize in this form of "discussion")
have the right to say whatever you want about us, 
because that is guaranteed by Rick's "anything goes"
guidelines for Fairfield Life. What you seem to be
forgetting is *our* right to blow you off like the
aggressive, bitchy argument addicts you are, and to
ignore your silly asses. 

If you find this "failure to pay attention to you and
your obsessions" offensive, or even an insult...GOOD.
If that is the case, you may actually be (belatedly)
getting the point. 

The whole *concept* of people waiting impatiently in
front of their computers (as we all know Judy is), 
waiting for the new "posting week" to start so that 
they can rip into another of their "enemies" is 
FUCKIN' EMBARRASSING. Judy doesn't get this, and 
never will. Seemingly, neither does Ann. She keeps 
running the same tired old numbers over and over, in 
a seemingly never-ending quest to lure people into 
same boring, unproductive arguments that Robin 
specialized in trying to provoke and that Judy has
built a nearly twenty-year "career" in provoking.

Can you say "Low standards in role models?" I think
you can.

Grow the fuck up. Just because you don't like us, or
because you insult us as often and in as many ways as
you can think of doesn't mean we owe you a response.
Curtis has IMO gone out of his way to try to have 
rational discussions with several people who cannot
conceivably be described as rational themselves. That's
just the compassionate way that he rolls, and I commend
him for having the patience to do so. 

Me, I'm just not drawn that way. I think the chronic
abusers should either grow the fuck up or shut the
fuck up. I'm not going to encourage them by responding
to their taunts. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: MAHARISHI’S TEACHINGS ON SEX

[Buck]

So what?  People are moving forward in their spiritual experience and not 
getting so hung up on little old things now.  Life goes on.  

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "mjackson74"  wrote:
>
> 
> For years I believed that Maharishi was a lifelong celibate because that is 
> what I was taught. I was surprised, really amazed when I first heard a TM 
> teacher say she had heard he was sexually active. I knew her pretty well and 
> she insisted it was true. When I asked her how she knew she told me her 
> sister and brother in law, both TM teachers and Governors had assured her it 
> was true. They had worked on national staff for some years and yet it was not 
> first hand information. They had gotten it from a reliable source who had 
> gotten it from the person who had it through direct experience. 
> 
> Third hand info was not too impressive at the time. I did run the information 
> by another TM teacher who knew both myself and the person who told me and 
> they didn’t believe it, nor could they believe that Susie had come to 
> believe it. 
> 
> So the issue was a non-issue for me until I turned up here on FFL. A brief 
> exchange with Rick made me feel there really might be something to the 
> allegations so I looked further, reading everything I could from and about 
> the women involved which made me about fifty percent convinced it was true. 
> Even though I had come to believe Maharishi was not enlightened, and that he 
> was extremely fond of making promises in exchange for cash, I still could not 
> quite come to believe that he had lied about that very fundamental aspect of 
> his lifestyle. 
> 
> What did convince me were the similar stories from the former skin boys like 
> Mark Landau and Billy Clayton that I came across on the internet, especially 
> the recent BATGAP video interview with Mark Landau.
> 
> Now that got me to thinking why would M preach celibacy to everyone else if 
> he was not practicing it himself. And I came up with a couple conclusions. 
> 
> First, it was not cool in those days to be a guru and be sexually active, or 
> perhaps more to the point it wasn’t cool to be a guru, be sexually active 
> and have people in general know that was the case. M had to maintain the 
> facade that he was celibate to keep people coming to him believing he was a 
> spiritual master.
> 
> Being a spiritual master and fucking just didn’t go together in those days. 
> This became particularly important when he announced he wanted TM teachers to 
> dress and behave conservatively so TM would appeal to the “responsible 
> members of society” meaning older, financially established people who could 
> and would support M financially. If they had known he was dipping the wick 
> they would never have supported him.
> 
> In addition I believe he wanted to cut down on the competition. From the 
> stories his personal secretaries have told, he would often select women from 
> amongst those on teacher training courses or his staff â€" if they were being 
> sexually active, they would be leery of cheating on their spouses or 
> boyfriends and celibacy certainly would lead the ladies to be already horny, 
> thus making it easier for him to get in their pants.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Bob Roth Discusses 'David Wants to Fly' | Conscious Times Online

[Duveyoung]

I taught 2,000 people to meditate -- probably a full 10% didn't even bother to 
show up for the 10-days checking.  

Within a year, 95% of them never seen again for anything let alone a checking 
session.

I initiated THREE PERCENT OF NAPA CALIFORNIA -- crime didn't lessen.  TM sales 
didn't increase.  I didn't get enlightened.

BAH!

Edg

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
wrote:
>
> Bobby does the Jerry routine very well.  The devil is in the details.  He 
> claims Judith has no corroboration showing that he didn't read the book.  Or 
> does he think that it is common for people to be seen when they are having 
> sex privately?
> 
> But behind the easy smile and skillful PR technique we have a guy saying 
> things like this: (This was transcribed and my not be an exact quote but this 
> is not the only time the movement has thrown up this number.)
> 
> *But I wouldn't be doing it, and six million other people wouldn't be doing 
> it for so many years if it didn't help them spiritually.*
> 
> 
> It would be hard to imagine making a case that he is unaware that this number 
> is a misleading lie. At the very least it is uncorroborated, the sin he 
> leveled against Judith, because the movement lost interest in finding out 
> their dropout rate once they discovered how overwhelmingly high it is. It is 
> a deliberate attempt to make is see as though most (or in this case every 
> single person ever initiated supposedly ) stick with TM.  They do not and I 
> know that for a fact from heading the project to call the 10,000 people 
> initiated in the DC TM center.  (I have discussed this before so I won't 
> repeat the details which can be summed up: people who continued with TM were 
> a needle in the haystack.)
> 
> There is so much ends justifying the means in the spin guys like Bobby are 
> using.  He knows this is bullshit, but it serves a purpose, it gives an 
> impression.  Unfortunately that impression is wrong. TM is not so wonderful 
> that most people stick with it, it is the opposite.  And this is a revealing 
> fact considering what is claimed about the practice, and how profound the 
> benefits are claimed to be.  
> 
> If contacting the "transcendent" really was as it is advertized, TM would be 
> harder to quit than unfiltered Gitanes Cigarettes.  
> 
> Again the transcribed Bobby:
> 
> *Not one legitimate newspaper or publication has or would ever run this story 
> because there is no corroboration. Anyone can say anything they want to in 
> this country.*
> 
> From his mouth to God's ear.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
> >
> > http://www.conscioustimesonline.com/2011/03/bob-roth-discusses-david-wants-t
> > o-fly/
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: "Earnest Confusion"

[seventhray27]

Hey Doc,
Let me say I really am glad you are back posting here.  Along those
lines, I  often appreciate your insights.  And I would never presume to
know what goes on inside a person's head, i.e. whether you are reacting
or responding.  I'll take you at your word that you are just responding,
and that it may rub people the wrong way.  Fair enough.  And not related
to anything else, I always wanted to tell you that I've found you
childhood to be a fascinating one, growing up in all the different
countries.  That alone, I think, would give you a different perspective
on things.
At any rate, thanks for your reply here.  I may reread again, when I'm
not engaged with other things.
(48)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... 
wrote:
>
> Hey Steve,
>
> You make me sound like a stick up my ass automaton here -lol. I think
it was Byron Katie who said she had no business knowing what other
people thought of her. It took me a while to recognize that, and to
accept it (for myself, not her - lol).
>
> So I enjoy responding to others here, and in my life, though I am no 
longer reactive. In order to be so would mean that I am protecting
myself against what others think of me.
>
> Responding and reacting feel very differently. The first is for
clarification, the second, for protection. And please don't let my
cursing be mistaken for reacting - I just fucking enjoy it!
>
> However, I have been *very* reactive in the past. Insulted people's
professions, and just said some plainly shitty things. Wy over the
top - it was fun at the time, as many shortsighted activities are, but
ultimately not who I want myself to be.
>
> And to Curtis, earlier I ridiculed your vocation as a musician and
performer, and lover of The Blues, and I apologize straight up for that.
Shitty thing to do. After the last three years of my life, I *get* the
blues.:-) But this isn't about me. Its about criticizing your love and
dedication for something that is a wonderful gift from you, to many.
>
> Having said that, I really enjoy participating here, with all my
quirks. I adopted the name Doctor Dumbass for two reasons:
>
> 1. 'Doctor', because I far prefer a scalpel, now, to a grenade.
>
> 2. 'Dumbass', because I never stop learning, nor would want to.
>
> and on that basis, let's us all *Carpe Fucking Diem*!!
>
> Thanks, Steve
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" steve.sundur@
wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hey Jim,
> >
> > I take it that your response would not be an example of someone
being
> > "triggered" by something, which would then require the requisite
self
> > reflection, but rather, is an example of a clear eyed knower of
reality
> > "seeing things as they are", with no need to equivicate about it?
> >
> > I mean, I know that this is how you see it, but I'd like to hear you
say
> > it.  I am not faulting you for it.  I'd just like if you could stake
out
> > your position, (or correct me if I am mistaken).
> >
> > I noticed that you are now giving out "clean bills of health"
> >
> > Care to give me an evaluation?
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Right on, Wolf-Baiter (though in this case your subject, Curtis,
is a
> > pink little poodle baby, with apologies to poodles everywhere.) -
Or,
> > switching scenes, he reminds me of a guy my first wife told me about
> > years ago, who was trying to ask the office babe out for lunch.
> > >
> > > He starts telling her a saucy little joke, but then inadvertently
> > sneezed a rather large, um, booger, onto her desk. He blithely
flicked
> > it away with his finger, and continued with his humor. Lunch never,
ever
> > happened, though the story made the rounds.
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@
wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
> >  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robin Carlsen"
> >  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog"

> > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ME: I already responded to Dr Dumb Ass's snipped comments. I
will
> > accept Raunchy's as a writing prompt.
> > > > >
> > > > > RD:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I like what you say here, Doc. Just to guild your lily a
> > little, I'd say that irreverence is a performance art of disaffected
> > seekers. They indulge in tipping sacred cows hoping people will
react in
> > horror.
> > > > >
> > > > > ME: Let me stop you there. Can you name a single person who
could
> > be expected to react in horror from a satiric piece on Christianity
> > here? Name one pearl-clutcher, to use you apt image. A single person
> > whose identification with the ideas contained in the myths of
> > Christianity, is so complete that anything I wrote could be expected
to
> > react in the way your are trying to project here. One.
> > > >
> > > > Hey Curtis, just some tho

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Voter Frustration Over Politicians

[Bhairitu]

Let's not be so cerebral about it. If someone actually started eating 
more than their fair share at a potluck we know people would be 
outraged. That's my point and how some people seem to have been snowed 
by the rich to make them think it is okay if they have more than their 
fair share. After all they "worked hard" for it. What a joke, many of 
the problematic rich got their money the old fashion way: they inherited 
it.

You have your "accidental billionaires" which would include Bill Gates, 
George Lucas, David Geffen who are giving away much of their wealth. 
They would most likely agree with higher taxes on the rich.

Sleepwalkers don't see the problem so easily but current events show 
that letting people aren't evolved enough to handle that much wealth. I 
think all but a few million dollars of their wealth ought to be 
confiscated along with their businesses. On a planet of 7 billion people 
we don't have time to play games like capitalism.

On 12/14/2012 03:49 AM, seekliberation wrote:
> For me, it depends on how all 12 people pre-determined the splitting up of 
> the 12 pieces.  For example, lets say hypothetically that 40 hours of labor 
> are what it take to earn one peice of pie.  5 people do 40 hours worth of 
> consistent and valuable effort.  4 people work, but not quite 40 hours.  2 
> people consistently show up late, don't cooperate with co-workers, and 
> constantly find excuses not to do as much work as the rest.  1 person doesn't 
> do any work at all.
>
> For me, that would change the dividing of the pie quite a bit.
>
> I have no problems with socialism or communism, as long as everyone is 
> contributing and government is honest about the distribution.  But I don't 
> trust our government, and I have worked long enough to know that not everyone 
> is going to contribute evenly.
>
> It's not just enough to re-distribute assets and money, you have to 
> re-distribute work too.
>
> seekliberation
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>> So you go to a TM potluck.  There are 12 people at the potluck including
>> yourself.  There is a pie cut into 12 equal pieces.  One of the people
>> is a Raja and decrees that he gets 11 pieces of the pie while the rest
>> of you have to split one piece.  Now how to you feel about that?
>>
>> On 12/13/2012 04:16 PM, Mike Dixon wrote:
>>> Is it Thou shalt not have Stockholm Syndrome, or is it Thou shalt not 
>>> covet? I've never resented anyone having something I don't have or having 
>>> more than I have. If somebody has the drive to amass more stuff, or create 
>>> more wealth, let them knock themselves out. We all benefit in the long run. 
>>> I'm just glad Bill Gates did what he did and Al Gore invented the Internet.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>From: Bhairitu 
>>> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 9:38 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Voter Frustration Over Politicians
>>>  
>>>  
>>>
>>> Of course those greedy bastard Republicans don't want the tax cuts to
>>> expire.  How else are they going to hoard all the wealth of the country
>>> and make you and me slaves?  Perhaps you should watch this little video
>>> as it will help you understand how you've gotten Stockholm Syndrome
>>> being held hostage by Republicans.
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6ZsXrzF8Cc
>>>
>>> On 12/12/2012 03:42 PM, Mike Dixon wrote:
 John, the republicans don't want any of the Bush tax cuts to expire. 
 Raising anybodies taxes now will do more harm than good. That's what Obama 
 said the last time he signed their  extension.We're headed for another 
 recession regardless. >>> cold water on the economy. Many businesses are refusing to expand because 
 of the new HC mandates and in many cases are shrinking to avoid them. Add 
 to that an increase in other taxes Businesses will be expected to pay and 
 what little growth you see now, will become stagnant or even recessive. 
 Raising taxes on anybody is only defeating the purpose of taxation, to 
 raise revenue. It puts the economy in a death spiral. The only realistic 
 solution is to cut the spending. We keep maxing-out the credit card and 
 then asking for a higher limit with less ability to pay it off each time. 
 If taxes go up on the middle class and poor, I'm sure more will blame 
 republicans because most
 people want their cake and be able to eat it to. It's like the Chase 
 commercial, who doesn't want more money and who doesn't more *free* 
 things? Everybody wants lower taxes but they also want their freebies and 
 they want somebody else to pay for them. Now that's greed.



 
 From: John 
 To: mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 2:00 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Voter Frustration Over Politici

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Bob Roth Discusses 'David Wants to Fly' | Conscious Times Online

[Bhairitu]

I was just thinking about David Sieveking this morning.  It is obvious 
in the film that he and his girlfriend come from wealthy families. Thus 
why the TMO courted him.  It wasn't just about him being a filmmaker.  
And he is a talented filmmaker and look forward to what he does next. I 
do also think the company left a lot of money on the table by not 
releasing a US version.

On 12/14/2012 08:58 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote:
> Bobby does the Jerry routine very well.  The devil is in the details.  He 
> claims Judith has no corroboration showing that he didn't read the book.  Or 
> does he think that it is common for people to be seen when they are having 
> sex privately?
>
> But behind the easy smile and skillful PR technique we have a guy saying 
> things like this: (This was transcribed and my not be an exact quote but this 
> is not the only time the movement has thrown up this number.)
>
> *But I wouldn't be doing it, and six million other people wouldn't be doing 
> it for so many years if it didn't help them spiritually.*
>
>
> It would be hard to imagine making a case that he is unaware that this number 
> is a misleading lie. At the very least it is uncorroborated, the sin he 
> leveled against Judith, because the movement lost interest in finding out 
> their dropout rate once they discovered how overwhelmingly high it is. It is 
> a deliberate attempt to make is see as though most (or in this case every 
> single person ever initiated supposedly ) stick with TM.  They do not and I 
> know that for a fact from heading the project to call the 10,000 people 
> initiated in the DC TM center.  (I have discussed this before so I won't 
> repeat the details which can be summed up: people who continued with TM were 
> a needle in the haystack.)
>
> There is so much ends justifying the means in the spin guys like Bobby are 
> using.  He knows this is bullshit, but it serves a purpose, it gives an 
> impression.  Unfortunately that impression is wrong. TM is not so wonderful 
> that most people stick with it, it is the opposite.  And this is a revealing 
> fact considering what is claimed about the practice, and how profound the 
> benefits are claimed to be.
>
> If contacting the "transcendent" really was as it is advertized, TM would be 
> harder to quit than unfiltered Gitanes Cigarettes.
>
> Again the transcribed Bobby:
>
> *Not one legitimate newspaper or publication has or would ever run this story 
> because there is no corroboration. Anyone can say anything they want to in 
> this country.*
>
> >From his mouth to God's ear.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>> http://www.conscioustimesonline.com/2011/03/bob-roth-discusses-david-wants-t
>> o-fly/
>>
>
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MAHARISHI’S TEACHINGS ON SEX

[Bhairitu]

Around 1977-78 a lot of TM teachers in my area started reading 
Muktananda's books because "he answers questions Maharishi won't".  Some 
of that was on sex.

Sex is a natural part of human existence.  Celibacy is bullshit because 
the male excretes unused sperm in the urine.  In ayurveda, excessively 
sex will make you more vata.  It's a strong drive.  If you're hungry 
thinking about sex can even trump hunger pangs.  To enlightened people 
though it will just seem very animalistic or "those damn hormones going 
off again." :-D

Religion is nothing more than primitive mind countrol.  Cheaper than the 
Pharaoh maintaining a lot of cops to keep the masses from revolting.  
"Do as the Pharaoh says or you'll go to hell."  They also learned that 
in times of famine it was wise to keep population numbers low.  Thus the 
"sin" of sex was introduced.

On 12/14/2012 05:02 AM, Alex Stanley wrote:
> Sex can be an immensely powerful object of egoic attachment, so it has come 
> to be regarded as inherently a bad thing, with abstinence being regarded as a 
> spiritually ideal good thing. My take on it is that the spiritual problems 
> with sex lie in a person's relationship with sex and are not inherent 
> qualities of sex. With a healthy relationship with sex, i.e, no attachment 
> and no expectation of fulfillment, sex (or any other pleasurable duality) can 
> be enjoyed in the present moment for what it is, with no unmet expectations 
> and no craving for more.
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba  wrote:
>> Haha, not referring to you, just wondered if you had thoughts to as why so 
>> many people follow someone as a Saint or Master if they are believed to be 
>> celibate.
>>   To this way of thinking, why does belief in celibacy in full adult age 
>> bring more wisdom?
>> Maybe a misinterpretation to ancient scriptures?
>>
>>
>> I like your post and it made me think.
>>
>> Some people think we should shy away from questioning such "nonsense."
>> I do not, because there are so many people getting harmed by believing the 
>> ultimate path is celibacy and/or their marriages are pretend monogamy and 
>> when power is placed in these hands, innocent people are taken advantage of 
>> and then blamed for being bad themselves, the one's who may speak up and out.
>>
>> The money machine drives a hard bargain when combined with spiritual 
>> creating attributes.  It can deceive. It, being the money machine and greed. 
>> The greed, to get something for waving a magic wand in the face of another.
>>
>> When one contemplates what has happened, there is a fear of disgrace and 
>> that disgrace is held in place by wand wavers, inc., that protection for the 
>> purpose to continue the same shit over and over.
>>
>> Point being, there is no magic in knowledge. No mystery to be found by 
>> worshiping one's who share knowledge. It is very disgusting to use 
>> information (knowledge) for deception, to lure a temporary victim for one's 
>> loins.  This makes a prostitute much more truthful about their actions. Yet, 
>> a prostitute is frowned upon, there is no deception in what and why sex is 
>> offered.
>> I say people in spiritual positions who abuse this to their sexual 
>> advantage, are actually much worse than what the perception of a prostitute 
>> is.  It is clever, but nonetheless the lowest of perversions.
>>
>>
>> Sexual attraction is easy to attach with knowledge in young women's eyes. 
>> People feel that attraction is love and love to share with someone because 
>> they have magic secrets is just plain wrong.
>>
>> Maybe there is knowledge of ancient sorts scattered about a person from 
>> traditional lineage practices, but in no way is that worth sharing of the 
>> body in exchange for.
>>
>> Sex and religion do not mix. No matter what label religion is given.
>>
>>   Young women, heed this warning. You are beautiful, you want a mate or two 
>> or three, haha, and that mate who shines the light in your eyes in the name 
>> of ancient wisdom, may just be holding a flashlight.
>>
>>
>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>>> I'm not intrigued by it - I just expected him to do it if he said he was 
>>> doing it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>   From: obbajeeba 
>>> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 9:53 AM
>>> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: MAHARISHI’S TEACHINGS ON SEX
>>>   
>>>
>>> Â
>>> Why are many in cultures so intrigued by people being celibate to be a 
>>> spiritual master, when they lack experience in feeling the birth of a 
>>> child, the love of being a parent and its unconditional desire to continue 
>>> to wish to help that child?
>>>
>>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "mjackson74"  wrote:

 For years I believed that Maharishi was a lifelong celibate because that 
 is what I was taught. I was surprised, really amazed when I first heard a 
 TM teacher say she had heard he was 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Voter Frustration Over Politicians

[seekliberation]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> Let's not be so cerebral about it. If someone actually started eating 
> more than their fair share at a potluck we know people would be 
> outraged. That's my point and how some people seem to have been snowed 
> by the rich to make them think it is okay if they have more than their 
> fair share. 

I can agree with you that there is manipulation and control by some people in 
power.  However, our odds are a lot better here in America than they are in 
most countries, such as about 10-12 in Europe, plus Australia and Canada.  But 
I will also say at the same time that there is a growing apathy and tendency to 
try to solve one's own problems through government decisions rather than 
individual initiative.  

My problem is that I see it both ways:  Government/Big business manipulation 
combined with a mass society that is growing less self sufficient each day.  
You seem to lean heavily in the direction of Government/Big Business, while 
some of the hardcore conservatives on this forum lean heavily towards 
individual weakness.  I see both as a problem.  

> They would most likely agree with higher taxes on the rich.
> 
> Sleepwalkers don't see the problem so easily but current events show 
> that letting people aren't evolved enough to handle that much wealth. 

I can agree with you that people aren't evolved enough for the amount of wealth 
they are capable of amassing.  It matters little though whether we go with 
capatilism, socialism, communism, etc..., our society simply isn't like Europe. 
 We aren't balanced.  People either have just enough initiative to gain a 
favorable advantage and exploit others, or they're too incompetent to solve 
their own problems.  

Socialism only works in Europe because you have people who are willing to wake 
up each day and work, and they don't expect anything extreme in terms of 
extravagance.  We are the exact opposite of that.  We have grown to hate work, 
and we want everything.  Bad combination for a long-lasting nation and economy. 
 

Our solution isn't in terms of economic policy or government decisions, it is 
in terms of improving our state of mind.  I remember seeing a youtube video of 
Oliver Stone where he claims America has become a 'sick' country.  I think he 
was really getting to the point with that statement.  

seekliberation


> 
> On 12/14/2012 03:49 AM, seekliberation wrote:
> > For me, it depends on how all 12 people pre-determined the splitting up of 
> > the 12 pieces.  For example, lets say hypothetically that 40 hours of labor 
> > are what it take to earn one peice of pie.  5 people do 40 hours worth of 
> > consistent and valuable effort.  4 people work, but not quite 40 hours.  2 
> > people consistently show up late, don't cooperate with co-workers, and 
> > constantly find excuses not to do as much work as the rest.  1 person 
> > doesn't do any work at all.
> >
> > For me, that would change the dividing of the pie quite a bit.
> >
> > I have no problems with socialism or communism, as long as everyone is 
> > contributing and government is honest about the distribution.  But I don't 
> > trust our government, and I have worked long enough to know that not 
> > everyone is going to contribute evenly.
> >
> > It's not just enough to re-distribute assets and money, you have to 
> > re-distribute work too.
> >
> > seekliberation
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
> >> So you go to a TM potluck.  There are 12 people at the potluck including
> >> yourself.  There is a pie cut into 12 equal pieces.  One of the people
> >> is a Raja and decrees that he gets 11 pieces of the pie while the rest
> >> of you have to split one piece.  Now how to you feel about that?
> >>
> >> On 12/13/2012 04:16 PM, Mike Dixon wrote:
> >>> Is it Thou shalt not have Stockholm Syndrome, or is it Thou shalt not 
> >>> covet? I've never resented anyone having something I don't have or having 
> >>> more than I have. If somebody has the drive to amass more stuff, or 
> >>> create more wealth, let them knock themselves out. We all benefit in the 
> >>> long run. I'm just glad Bill Gates did what he did and Al Gore invented 
> >>> the Internet.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> 
> >>>From: Bhairitu 
> >>> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> >>> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 9:38 AM
> >>> Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Voter Frustration Over Politicians
> >>>  
> >>>  
> >>>
> >>> Of course those greedy bastard Republicans don't want the tax cuts to
> >>> expire.  How else are they going to hoard all the wealth of the country
> >>> and make you and me slaves?  Perhaps you should watch this little video
> >>> as it will help you understand how you've gotten Stockholm Syndrome
> >>> being held hostage by Republicans.
> >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6ZsXrzF8Cc
> >>>
> >>> On 12/12/2012 03:42 PM, Mike Dixon wrote:
>  John, the repub

[FairfieldLife] Re: MAHARISHI’S TEACHINGS ON SEX

[turquoiseb]

OK, given my rep around here, I think sex is an appropriate 
topic for my 50th post of the week. :-)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> Around 1977-78 a lot of TM teachers in my area started reading 
> Muktananda's books because "he answers questions Maharishi 
> won't".  Some of that was on sex.

Interestingly, I missed all of that because I had already
bailed at that point. Never caught the Muktananda vibe then,
still haven't. 

> Sex is a natural part of human existence. Celibacy is bullshit 
> because the male excretes unused sperm in the urine. In 
> ayurveda, excessively sex will make you more vata. It's a 
> strong drive. If you're hungry thinking about sex can even 
> trump hunger pangs.  

If you can find a source for this last sentence, please 
post it. I can turn it into a fun article for my 
moonlighting gig. 

> To enlightened people though it will just seem very 
> animalistic or "those damn hormones going off again." :-D

Is that sex's problem, or their problem?  :-)

> Religion is nothing more than primitive mind control. Cheaper 
> than the Pharaoh maintaining a lot of cops to keep the masses 
> from revolting. "Do as the Pharaoh says or you'll go to hell."  
> They also learned that in times of famine it was wise to keep 
> population numbers low. Thus the "sin" of sex was introduced.

That's an interesting concept, that associating sex with
overpopulation (and thus starvation) was a genesis for the
concept of it being a sin. 

But I'm remembering the Cathars, and their story. They were
weirdass dudes and dudesses, no question about it, but they
had some cool things going for them as well. One of the (IMO)
less cool things was to look down on sex and consider it a
Bad Idea. The Cathar clergy -- men and women -- were celibate.
The Cathar lay followers were encouraged to be. 

But fascinatingly enough, their reason for not having sex 
was philosophically compassionate. They believed (as many
gnostic sects believed) in complete duality. God never 
entered the relative world. He was completely distant from
it, never interacted with it, and was not accessible from
within it. The most you could hope for was "gnosis," a 
form of emotional, empathic "closeness" to "Godness." 
There was just no way you could address Him directly,
*while being in a human body*. ( Hey, I warned you that 
they were kinda weird. :-)

OK, so they also believed in reincarnation. Big-time. Same
reincarnation that you believe in, if you believe in it. 
You live, you die, but not quite...there is a flag on the
play and everything gets reset and you get reborn in 
another human body. 

Combine these two beliefs and what resulted was that the
Cathars convinced themselves that sex was bad because it
could result in children. And those children would be
born into this dualist world in which they would be forever
separated from God, because he wouldn't touch it with a 
ten-foot pole. It was that crass. 

Suffice it to say I do not groove behind these Cathar
beliefs, even though I suspect I paid some dues in past
incarnations as one of them. I honestly think that a
cartload of condoms and a little sex education would
have done the whole lot of them some good. :-)

But that's an instance in which espousing celibacy was
not a response to overpopulation. In the 13th century, 
you wanted as many kids as you could get, because most
of them were going to die before they got old enough
to take care of you in your dotage. These guys and gals
swore off of sex not because of overpopulation but 
because they didn't want to subject future generations 
to the bummer they perceived life on Earth to be. Weird.
Way weird.

Why I find the whole Cathar thang fascinating, even 
though their core beliefs are the opposite of mine, is
that I have had a few flashbacks that suggest to me
that I may have spent some time among them. The flash-
backs suggest to me that as a Cathar priest (and thus 
believing in complete duality) I may have started 
having Unity experiences.

Cognitive dissonance, big-time. The whole Cathar dogma
is that infinity or eternity or the Absolute or God
*cannot* exist in the relative world. And then one day 
you start perceiving it there. What do you do?  :-)


> On 12/14/2012 05:02 AM, Alex Stanley wrote:
> > Sex can be an immensely powerful object of egoic attachment, so it has come 
> > to be regarded as inherently a bad thing, with abstinence being regarded as 
> > a spiritually ideal good thing. My take on it is that the spiritual 
> > problems with sex lie in a person's relationship with sex and are not 
> > inherent qualities of sex. With a healthy relationship with sex, i.e, no 
> > attachment and no expectation of fulfillment, sex (or any other pleasurable 
> > duality) can be enjoyed in the present moment for what it is, with no unmet 
> > expectations and no craving for more.
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba  wrote:
> >> Haha, not referring to you, just wondered if you h

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Voter Frustration Over Politicians

[Bhairitu]

On 12/14/2012 09:56 AM, seekliberation wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>> Let's not be so cerebral about it. If someone actually started eating
>> more than their fair share at a potluck we know people would be
>> outraged. That's my point and how some people seem to have been snowed
>> by the rich to make them think it is okay if they have more than their
>> fair share.
> I can agree with you that there is manipulation and control by some people in 
> power.  However, our odds are a lot better here in America than they are in 
> most countries, such as about 10-12 in Europe, plus Australia and Canada.  
> But I will also say at the same time that there is a growing apathy and 
> tendency to try to solve one's own problems through government decisions 
> rather than individual initiative.
>
> My problem is that I see it both ways:  Government/Big business manipulation 
> combined with a mass society that is growing less self sufficient each day.  
> You seem to lean heavily in the direction of Government/Big Business, while 
> some of the hardcore conservatives on this forum lean heavily towards 
> individual weakness.  I see both as a problem.

The problem with the conservatives is that the individual weakness they 
perceive is mostly imaginary.   I guess some of them don't want the 
money they paid in for Social Security and Medicare.  We are owed that.  
It is not a welfare check.  But it seems to take a baseball bat to knock 
any sense into conservatives.

They also think the 99% are lazy.  No, many of those people have looked 
for work, have had good jobs in the past and are highly skilled.  It's 
like they have been purposely shut out of the job market.  You have a 
scenario for a violent revolution because highly educated people are not 
going to put up with this situation much longer.  We know this from history.

>
>> They would most likely agree with higher taxes on the rich.
>>
>> Sleepwalkers don't see the problem so easily but current events show
>> that letting people aren't evolved enough to handle that much wealth.
> I can agree with you that people aren't evolved enough for the amount of 
> wealth they are capable of amassing.  It matters little though whether we go 
> with capatilism, socialism, communism, etc..., our society simply isn't like 
> Europe.  We aren't balanced.  People either have just enough initiative to 
> gain a favorable advantage and exploit others, or they're too incompetent to 
> solve their own problems.
>
> Socialism only works in Europe because you have people who are willing to 
> wake up each day and work, and they don't expect anything extreme in terms of 
> extravagance.  We are the exact opposite of that.  We have grown to hate 
> work, and we want everything.  Bad combination for a long-lasting nation and 
> economy.
>
> Our solution isn't in terms of economic policy or government decisions, it is 
> in terms of improving our state of mind.  I remember seeing a youtube video 
> of Oliver Stone where he claims America has become a 'sick' country.  I think 
> he was really getting to the point with that statement.
>
> seekliberation

Then as I have predicted for some time it will take the collapse of the 
US for change.  Don't forget that people in Europe get free medical 
care, more vacation than US fools.   We don't have enough jobs for 
everyone either.  So that issue needs to be addressed.  And yes some 
workers are spoiled.  We heard recently that Apple was going assemble 
one of their products in the US but then not to be missed that Foxconn 
the next day announced a US facility.  Now we here on FFL know the 
difference between oriental mindsets and Jamie down the street.  Which 
do you think will assemble a Mac properly. Of course they may hire Frank 
who was an account exec to assemble those machines rather than Jamie.

Maybe the solution is a 10 hour week, guaranteed annual income and a new 
leisure society.  And demolish the empty McMansions.

[FairfieldLife] Rising Signs of the Age of Enlightenment

[Xenophaneros Anartaxius]

Just 16 miles or so from where I live in the neighbouring state of Connecticut 
a massive shooting in an elementary school.

This link is live, so may not be available later on.

http://www.livestream.com/foxct

[FairfieldLife] Re: "Earnest Confusion"

[curtisdeltablues]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@...  wrote:

> And to Curtis, earlier I ridiculed your vocation as a musician and performer, 
> and lover of The Blues, and I apologize straight up for that. Shitty thing to 
> do. After the last three years of my life, I *get* the blues.:-) But this 
> isn't about me. Its about criticizing your love and dedication for something 
> that is a wonderful gift from you, to many.>

Funny, I didn't feel as though you were criticizing me for that, but for a 
multitude of other things!  But I may not have noticed because to survive as an 
artist you kind of have to listen to your own instincts and very few outside 
people whom I pick carefully.  I am not as shitty as my detractors say (Nabby) 
nor as wonderful as the guy who handed me the fat corporate gig check at the 
end of the night of the video Nabby posted, made me out to be.  I am just 
pursuing my musical interests as earnestly as I can.  So far it has been enough 
to keep me living inside with health insurance, tenuously as that sometimes can 
be, and looking forward to each day.

But speaking to the general friendly tone of your comments, I am always up for 
that side of our long relationship here.  We have plenty of history high fiving 
each other, and I am always open to switching to that gear with you.  I hope 
you are finding something in this holiday season that floats your boat (May I 
suggest Kwanza? they have the best music) cuz behind the myths are the reminder 
that we are stuck with each other on this rock (till we take our dirt nap) so 
we might as well enjoy each other.

Along the lines of the attitude of gratitude I'll share a non snarky story with 
you.  Last Tuesday I spent the day arts integrated co-teaching in a Title One 
school which means the lowest economic group in Maryland.  They can't meet the 
academic standards for the state.  The project I am a part of is to bring 
artist in for specific lesson plans from the state curriculum to help teachers 
by using art to get their kids to make the needed cognitive jumps so they can 
pass these tests.  People's jobs and asses are on the line over this.  It is 
not arts integration as icing on the cake, it is their Hail Mary pass (how did 
that reference slip in?) in a last ditch effort to help these kids.  A lot of 
state money is being spent on this project and we have to meticulously document 
everything.  If we succeed it is huge, this will go statewide.  Now we are in 
one poor county.

Let me define poor.  Many of these kids have their only meals at school.  They 
have to send them home with something they can prepare themselves to get 
through the weekend.  These are the offspring of the welfare moms that 
republicans demonize.  They have zero cultural capital or social capital to 
draw from because they do not exist in an enriching environment at home.  This 
is the land of "mommy on the pipe again we better go over to Gramas house 
tonight".  To me they are little angels that society is throwing away at a 
great loss.  They are just as engaging as the rich kids I teach in other 
schools.  We have no idea which one the them is gunna solve the energy problem 
or even get Twinkies back on the shelves again in the future.  They, as good as 
ol' "on the crack pipe" Whitney Huston said, ARE our freak'n future.  We either 
educate them now or incarcerate them later.

I am writing blues songs with them to help them make distinctions between, for 
example, the emotions of a character in the story and their underlying 
character traits.  They learn about the history of acoustic blues (from the 
mouths of babes: "Black people invented the blues?  Really?" said one black 2nd 
grader innocently) and they learn about expressing their feelings in songs as 
well as their academic points.

As I was questioning them about how we know from evidence in the reading what 
the characters were feeling emotionally, compared to their character traits, 
one little girl in 2nd grade had an example to share starting with the blues 
song prompt I gave them, "When I woke up in the morning".

She said, "when my mom woke up in the morning she was smiling" (nice start) but 
when my Dad woke up this morning he was sad because he lost his job and he 
can't find a job because there aren't any jobs for him..."  The teacher and I 
glanced at each other with a look that a person gives when their foot slips 
through the ice on a pond they are crossing, and their boot fills with cold 
water.

"So" I tentatively start, "your dad may be feeling sad now but because of 
his character trait of persistence and determination, he wont stop looking till 
he finds another job.  Then his feeling will change to happy but he will still 
have the deeper character trait of being persistent and determined." (I was not 
exactly feeling like one of those scrappy teachers in those inner city school 
movies, who magically uses the kids' hard lives to get the kids excited about 
learning,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Rising Signs of the Age of Enlightenment

[Bhairitu]

On 12/14/2012 10:35 AM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius wrote:
> Just 16 miles or so from where I live in the neighbouring state of 
> Connecticut a massive shooting in an elementary school.
>
> This link is live, so may not be available later on.
>
> http://www.livestream.com/foxct
>
>

I predict this will be happening more and more.  It's not about guns 
being legal, it's about people losing it when they've lost everything.  
Now if they would do us a favor and shoot the fascists instead of 
innocent people.  Shows how confused these shooters are.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MAHARISHI’S TEACHINGS ON SEX

[Bhairitu]

On 12/14/2012 10:19 AM, turquoiseb wrote:
> OK, given my rep around here, I think sex is an appropriate
> topic for my 50th post of the week. :-)
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>> Around 1977-78 a lot of TM teachers in my area started reading
>> Muktananda's books because "he answers questions Maharishi
>> won't".  Some of that was on sex.
> Interestingly, I missed all of that because I had already
> bailed at that point. Never caught the Muktananda vibe then,
> still haven't.

More interesting is that some of those people who started reading 
Muktananda and hadn't yet gotten the flying sutra started spontaneously 
hopping (including myself).  BTW, we were a group much better at hiding 
things from the TM STASI than apparently most TM'ers.

>
>> Sex is a natural part of human existence. Celibacy is bullshit
>> because the male excretes unused sperm in the urine. In
>> ayurveda, excessively sex will make you more vata. It's a
>> strong drive. If you're hungry thinking about sex can even
>> trump hunger pangs.
> If you can find a source for this last sentence, please
> post it. I can turn it into a fun article for my
> moonlighting gig.

Google is your friend.  First off, Maslow claims that sex is less 
powerful than hunger:

'One of the many interesting things Maslow noticed while he worked with 
monkeys early in his career, was that some needs take precedence over 
others.  For example, if you are hungry and thirsty, you will tend to 
try to take care of the thirst first.  After all, you can do without 
food for weeks, but you can only do without water for a couple of days!  
Thirst is a “stronger” need than hunger. Likewise, if you are very very 
thirsty, but someone has put a choke hold on you and you can’t breath, 
which is more important?  The need to breathe, of course.  On the other 
hand, sex is less powerful than any of these.  Let’s face it, you won’t 
die if you don’t get it! '

Though how could he get his monkeys to test if sex could trump hunger 
when hungry? Show them pictures of naked monkeys?  So that conclusion 
may be invalid.

OTOH, Swami Sivananda claimed that sex is more powerful than hunger:
http://www.speakingtree.in/spiritual-articles/science-of-spirituality/figure-out-your-basic-instincts

Now that is what popped up on the first page of search.  But then try it 
yourself.  I also go by the research that I saw on NOVA years ago 
regarding sex and that even our recreational sex is driven by that most 
creative urge to create another human being.  I recall some folks on FFL 
hated that idea.  But that's what the researchers concluded and I 
believe is true.

>
>> To enlightened people though it will just seem very
>> animalistic or "those damn hormones going off again." :-D
> Is that sex's problem, or their problem?  :-)

If you are going to be a healthy human then those hormones need to be 
working.  They've associated obesity in some males to lack of 
testosterone and there are even weight reduction programs where they 
give men testosterone.  Most alternative practitioners including 
ayurvedic trained ones *will* ask about sex drive.  If it isn't there 
then it needs to be addressed.

For an enlightened person all bodily functions will be witnessed and 
"line on water."  Not a problem either.

>
>> Religion is nothing more than primitive mind control. Cheaper
>> than the Pharaoh maintaining a lot of cops to keep the masses
>> from revolting. "Do as the Pharaoh says or you'll go to hell."
>> They also learned that in times of famine it was wise to keep
>> population numbers low. Thus the "sin" of sex was introduced.
> That's an interesting concept, that associating sex with
> overpopulation (and thus starvation) was a genesis for the
> concept of it being a sin.

Why else would you ban something pleasant and popular?  Going around 
telling people not to screw is not going to increase your following.  
Parallel wise have you seen Ken Burn's documentary on Prohibition?  I 
had no idea who popular booze was before Prohibition and why Prohibition 
didn't work.  Alcoholic beverages became popular because water 
throughout history was not to be trusted (typhoid, etc).  On TTC I 
didn't much care for the bottles of apple juice they had because it had 
a little alcohol in it for preservative but enough to make me a little 
dull.

>
> But I'm remembering the Cathars, and their story. They were
> weirdass dudes and dudesses, no question about it, but they
> had some cool things going for them as well. One of the (IMO)
> less cool things was to look down on sex and consider it a
> Bad Idea. The Cathar clergy -- men and women -- were celibate.
> The Cathar lay followers were encouraged to be.
>
> But fascinatingly enough, their reason for not having sex
> was philosophically compassionate. They believed (as many
> gnostic sects believed) in complete duality. God never
> entered the relative world. He was completely distant from
> it, never interacted with it, and was 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Rising Signs of the Age of Enlightenment

[Xenophaneros Anartaxius]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> On 12/14/2012 10:35 AM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius wrote:
> > Just 16 miles or so from where I live in the neighbouring state of 
> > Connecticut a massive shooting in an elementary school.
> >
> > This link is live, so may not be available later on.
> >
> > http://www.livestream.com/foxct
> >
> >
> 
> I predict this will be happening more and more.  It's not about guns 
> being legal, it's about people losing it when they've lost everything.  
> Now if they would do us a favor and shoot the fascists instead of 
> innocent people.  Shows how confused these shooters are.

Redirecting the trajectory of bullets does not sound like a useful 
recommendation in this situation.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rising Signs of the Age of Enlightenment

[Bhairitu]

On 12/14/2012 12:07 PM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>> On 12/14/2012 10:35 AM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius wrote:
>>> Just 16 miles or so from where I live in the neighbouring state of 
>>> Connecticut a massive shooting in an elementary school.
>>>
>>> This link is live, so may not be available later on.
>>>
>>> http://www.livestream.com/foxct
>>>
>>>
>> I predict this will be happening more and more.  It's not about guns
>> being legal, it's about people losing it when they've lost everything.
>> Now if they would do us a favor and shoot the fascists instead of
>> innocent people.  Shows how confused these shooters are.
> Redirecting the trajectory of bullets does not sound like a useful 
> recommendation in this situation.

Yes, but probably a thought that does cross the mind of a lot of 
progressives these days. ;-)

And we can play Gandhi all we want but it probably won't solve the 
situation.  And as much as some here hate it, those who have been 
practicing "yoga" for some time are really not part of the mindset of 
the "ordinaries" or general society which is like an alternate universe 
filled with sleepwalkers.

[FairfieldLife] Re: "Earnest Confusion"

[doctordumbass]

Steve - yeah, lots of cool places in the world, and my dad had a great nose for 
finding paradise. Thing is, it inadvertently set the bar pretty high for me, 
and probably my chief reason for beginning TM - integrating it all. Certainly 
not crying into my beer, though. It continues to be an amazing life!!

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"  wrote:
>
> Hey Doc,
> Let me say I really am glad you are back posting here.  Along those
> lines, I  often appreciate your insights.  And I would never presume to
> know what goes on inside a person's head, i.e. whether you are reacting
> or responding.  I'll take you at your word that you are just responding,
> and that it may rub people the wrong way.  Fair enough.  And not related
> to anything else, I always wanted to tell you that I've found you
> childhood to be a fascinating one, growing up in all the different
> countries.  That alone, I think, would give you a different perspective
> on things.
> At any rate, thanks for your reply here.  I may reread again, when I'm
> not engaged with other things.
> (48)
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ 
> wrote:
> >
> > Hey Steve,
> >
> > You make me sound like a stick up my ass automaton here -lol. I think
> it was Byron Katie who said she had no business knowing what other
> people thought of her. It took me a while to recognize that, and to
> accept it (for myself, not her - lol).
> >
> > So I enjoy responding to others here, and in my life, though I am no 
> longer reactive. In order to be so would mean that I am protecting
> myself against what others think of me.
> >
> > Responding and reacting feel very differently. The first is for
> clarification, the second, for protection. And please don't let my
> cursing be mistaken for reacting - I just fucking enjoy it!
> >
> > However, I have been *very* reactive in the past. Insulted people's
> professions, and just said some plainly shitty things. Wy over the
> top - it was fun at the time, as many shortsighted activities are, but
> ultimately not who I want myself to be.
> >
> > And to Curtis, earlier I ridiculed your vocation as a musician and
> performer, and lover of The Blues, and I apologize straight up for that.
> Shitty thing to do. After the last three years of my life, I *get* the
> blues.:-) But this isn't about me. Its about criticizing your love and
> dedication for something that is a wonderful gift from you, to many.
> >
> > Having said that, I really enjoy participating here, with all my
> quirks. I adopted the name Doctor Dumbass for two reasons:
> >
> > 1. 'Doctor', because I far prefer a scalpel, now, to a grenade.
> >
> > 2. 'Dumbass', because I never stop learning, nor would want to.
> >
> > and on that basis, let's us all *Carpe Fucking Diem*!!
> >
> > Thanks, Steve
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" steve.sundur@
> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Hey Jim,
> > >
> > > I take it that your response would not be an example of someone
> being
> > > "triggered" by something, which would then require the requisite
> self
> > > reflection, but rather, is an example of a clear eyed knower of
> reality
> > > "seeing things as they are", with no need to equivicate about it?
> > >
> > > I mean, I know that this is how you see it, but I'd like to hear you
> say
> > > it.  I am not faulting you for it.  I'd just like if you could stake
> out
> > > your position, (or correct me if I am mistaken).
> > >
> > > I noticed that you are now giving out "clean bills of health"
> > >
> > > Care to give me an evaluation?
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ 
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Right on, Wolf-Baiter (though in this case your subject, Curtis,
> is a
> > > pink little poodle baby, with apologies to poodles everywhere.) -
> Or,
> > > switching scenes, he reminds me of a guy my first wife told me about
> > > years ago, who was trying to ask the office babe out for lunch.
> > > >
> > > > He starts telling her a saucy little joke, but then inadvertently
> > > sneezed a rather large, um, booger, onto her desk. He blithely
> flicked
> > > it away with his finger, and continued with his humor. Lunch never,
> ever
> > > happened, though the story made the rounds.
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
> > >  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robin Carlsen"
> > >  wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog"
> 
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ME: I already responded to Dr Dumb Ass's snipped comments. I
> will
> > > accept Raunchy's as a writing prompt.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > RD:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I like what you say here, Doc. Just to guild your lily a
> > > little, I'd sa

[FairfieldLife] Re: Voter Frustration Over Politicians

[seekliberation]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
> 
> The problem with the conservatives is that the individual weakness they 
> perceive is mostly imaginary.  

No, it's not imaginary.  I have quite a few friends and family who are in very 
bad positions in life right now.  They all have some or all of the following 
things in common:  disrespectful attitudes towards parents/teachers during 
teenage years, high school dropouts, fired from multiple jobs, quit perfectly 
good jobs, partied most of the time from 18-30 years of age, maxed out credit 
cards, bought homes WAY out of their annual income rangeand the list goes 
on and on.  When I say all my family and friends fall into at least one of 
these categories, I don't mean most of themI mean every single one of them. 
 I do love them, and wish them the best.  But unfortunately for them, I know 
what they were all doing for the last 20-30 years, and it certainly wasn't 
anything in the category of responsibility.  

Now, that being said, are there no victims of circumstance out there?  Of 
course there are some.  Which is the majority?  If I went off of my childhood 
memories, family experiences, and observation of co-workers and friends, my 
perception is pretty clear.  ButI'll go ahead and give the benefit of the 
doubt that perhaps, for whatever karmic reason, I was simply attracted to 
people with weak DNA or bad karma themselves, despite the fact that none of 
them are mentally retarded or physically handicapped in any way.


 I guess some of them don't want the 
> money they paid in for Social Security and Medicare.  We are owed that.

I certainly wouldn't deny that.  
  
> It is not a welfare check.  But it seems to take a baseball bat to knock 
> any sense into conservatives.
> 
> They also think the 99% are lazy.  No, many of those people have looked 
> for work, have had good jobs in the past and are highly skilled.

Businesses going overseas probably has a lot to do with it, which dfinitely 
falls in your category of 'greed' being primarily responsible.  Immigration to 
the states also takes 'some' of our jobs.  But aside from that, if jobs are 
scarce, that means the private sector is simply diminishing.  

  It's 
> like they have been purposely shut out of the job market.  You have a 
> scenario for a violent revolution because highly educated people are not 
> going to put up with this situation much longer.  We know this from history.
> 
> >
> >> They would most likely agree with higher taxes on the rich.

Higher taxes is a start, but it also has to be accompanied by significant cuts 
in spending, which is where a majority of the reduction in deficit is going to 
have to come from.  But taxing the rich a bit more, I don't have much of a 
problem with that, only with the illusion that we're going to balance our 
budget with that alone.  They tried it in Britain a while back, and all the 
rich people fled the country, or stashed their money where it can't be taxed.

> 
> Then as I have predicted for some time it will take the collapse of the 
> US for change.  Don't forget that people in Europe get free medical 
> care, more vacation than US fools.   We don't have enough jobs for 
> everyone either.  So that issue needs to be addressed.  And yes some 
> workers are spoiled.  We heard recently that Apple was going assemble 
> one of their products in the US but then not to be missed that Foxconn 
> the next day announced a US facility.  Now we here on FFL know the 
> difference between oriental mindsets and Jamie down the street.  Which 
> do you think will assemble a Mac properly. Of course they may hire Frank 
> who was an account exec to assemble those machines rather than Jamie.
> 
> Maybe the solution is a 10 hour week, guaranteed annual income and a new 
> leisure society.  And demolish the empty McMansions.

We would never maintain any form of productivity with a 10 hour week.  In fact, 
at no time in history do I believe a mass group of individuals would have ever 
been able to take care of their entire life only putting forth 10 hours of 
effort per week.  Now, you could work 10 hours a week for an employer if you 
grew your own garden, had a well in your back yard, and some form of solar/wind 
power for your home, and you didn't expect to do much (no extravagant 
vacations, luxaries, etc..).  I do know a few people who lived somewhat like 
that, and yes...their lives are much more free than mine in terms of daily 
schedule.  They just have to live with other inconveniences.  

seekliberation

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Earnest Confusion" to Steve

[Share Long]

Happy Holidays to you too, Steve, and to your family.  It's been a year since 
I've seen them all so I'm looking forward to it.  Three big gatherings already 
planned plus more informal get togethers with my sisters.  Mom and I will 
mainly hang out and shop, see at least one movie, play Yahtzee and card games.  
Oh yes, and eat (-:


BTW, you've really helped make the last 3 months easier than they would have 
been without you.  Saying thank you doesn't seem adequate but there it is 
anyway.  May all the good you've brought into my life come back to you and your 
family multiplied many times.

Sorry for being a little mushy.  I put up my tree today.  Maybe that's why!




 From: seventhray27 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 10:52 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Earnest Confusion" to Steve
 

  
All I can say Share, is that something is working for you.  People love to 
ridicule what they like to refer to as "woo woo", but I see you swimming 
gracefully with both with the dolphins and the sharks here. 

I hope your upcoming trip to the DC area to see your Mom and other family 
members is an enjoyable one.

(47) 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> Hi Steve, this is a general comment.  I wish EVERY FFL poster more peace and 
> or happiness and or well being from whatever they post here.  And from 
> whatever they do in their lives away from FFL.  And this wish benefits me 
> too so I'm sticking to it as best I can.  Probably my actions won't always 
> be in 100% alignment with it.  But that's what I'm aiming for.    
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: seventhray27 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 7:00 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Earnest Confusion" to Nablusoss
> 
> 
>   
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater  wrote:
>  
> > Isn't it fun to be both judge and jury Steve? In a world of make believe 
> > you can be anyone you want to be. You can create the story as you see fit, 
> > you can live out all your fantasies and work through your scenarios of 
> > revenge. How great is that? (Plus how can anyone "own up to" anything when 
> > they can't post?)
> 
> Ann,
> Is it possible that you meant to address this post to Judy.  I mean I think 
> it makes a lot more sense if you did.
> And Ann, bless your heart.  Asking Judy to own up to something? If you 
> advertised that, you could charge for admission and probably garner some 
> enormous receipts. 
>


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: MAHARISHI’S TEACHINGS ON SEX

[merudanda]

 [http://antizenmaster.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Zen-GPS.jpg]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda  wrote:
>
>
> OH oh oh my oja
>
>
> oh my ooojjaaa
>
> obba  ===jeeba
>
> remind me on that little cartoon
>
>
>
>
[http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-qwMYxlUoWb0/UE9Hu1d7fyI/CGE/wf8kHS4Qk\
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> 7o/s1600/ATT1.jpg]
>
> A young monk arrives at the monastery.  He is assigned to helping the
> other monks in copying the old canons and laws of the church by hand.
>
> He notices, however, that all of the monks are copying from copies,
not
> from the original manuscript.  So, the new monk goes to the head abbot
> to question this, pointing out that if someone made even a small error
> in the first copy, it would never be picked up!  In fact, that error
> would be continued in all of the subsequent copies.
>
> The head monk, says, "We have been copying from the copies for
> centuries, but you make a good point, my son."
>
>
>
[http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-1_OC_FzysyE/UE9HwQbsFvI/CGM/ScnXQcyHu\
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> eg/s1600/ATT2.jpg]
>
> He goes down into the dark caves underneath the monastery where the
> original manuscripts are held as archives in a locked vault that
hasn't
> been opened for hundreds of years.  Hours go by and nobody sees the
old
> abbot…
>
> So, the young monk gets worried and goes down to look for him.  He
sees
> him banging his head against the wall and wailing:
>
> We missed the R !
>
> We missed the R !
>
> We missed the R !
>
>
>
[http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-lnp6QUgZzLg/UE9Hy7jHw8I/CGc/3hxL33hYl\
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> jA/s1600/ATT4.jpg]
>
> His forehead is all bloody and bruised and he is crying
uncontrollably.
> The young monk asks the old abbot, "What's wrong, father?"
>
> With A choking voice, the old abbot replies, "The word was...
>
>
>
>
>
[http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-H4uAjLo7Ow0/UE9H0da-QCI/CGk/OIMOJLwIf\
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>
> CELEB R ATE
>
>
> But wasn't that your fault my oh my obbajeeba
>
>
> What have you done in your previous life as a scribe , as a monk?
Should
> be a lesson to be more careful next time , will you—
>
>
> BTW welcome to the  Faith for Fake enLife  back again
>
> A recently uncovered fragment of ancient papyrus makes the explosive
> suggestion that Jesus and Mary Magdalene were man and wife,
researchers
> say.
>
>
> Read more:
>
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2205235/Jesus-married-Proof-God-\
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> spoke-wife-Mary-Magdalene-ancient-papyrus.html
>
 -spoke-wife-Mary-Magdalene-ancient-papyrus.html>
> Hallelujah, Jesus was celibate! Vatican insists ancient fragment on
> Christ's wife a fake
> Read more:
>
>
>
> http://rt.com/art-and-culture/news/jesus-gospel-wife-celibate-228/
> 
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote:
> >
> > Haha, not referring to you, just wondered if you had thoughts to as
> why so many people follow someone as a Saint or Master if they are
> believed to be celibate.
> >  To this way of thinking, why does belief in celibacy in full adult
> age bring more wisdom?
> > Maybe a misinterpretation to ancient scriptures?
> >
> >
> snip
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Voter Frustration Over Politicians

[Bhairitu]

On 12/14/2012 01:36 PM, seekliberation wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>> The problem with the conservatives is that the individual weakness they
>> perceive is mostly imaginary.
> No, it's not imaginary.  I have quite a few friends and family who are in 
> very bad positions in life right now.  They all have some or all of the 
> following things in common:  disrespectful attitudes towards parents/teachers 
> during teenage years, high school dropouts, fired from multiple jobs, quit 
> perfectly good jobs, partied most of the time from 18-30 years of age, maxed 
> out credit cards, bought homes WAY out of their annual income rangeand 
> the list goes on and on.  When I say all my family and friends fall into at 
> least one of these categories, I don't mean most of themI mean every 
> single one of them.  I do love them, and wish them the best.  But 
> unfortunately for them, I know what they were all doing for the last 20-30 
> years, and it certainly wasn't anything in the category of responsibility.

I was thinking more the conservatives bitching about people on welfare 
or food stamps and not understanding the situation.  Or people whose 
homes have been foreclosed on particularly folks who are seniors and had 
planned to sell the house and move into some retirement situation but 
can't sell now or if they do won't get even a modest amount in equity.  
I was thinking about young kids who just graduated from college maybe 
even with honors and can't get a job and have a way overpriced education 
college loan to pay off.

Oh sure there are people who used their house as an ATM.  I have 
relatives who did that.  They always thought new year would be better.  
It ain't gonna happen.

>
>
> Now, that being said, are there no victims of circumstance out there?  Of 
> course there are some.  Which is the majority?  If I went off of my childhood 
> memories, family experiences, and observation of co-workers and friends, my 
> perception is pretty clear.  ButI'll go ahead and give the benefit of the 
> doubt that perhaps, for whatever karmic reason, I was simply attracted to 
> people with weak DNA or bad karma themselves, despite the fact that none of 
> them are mentally retarded or physically handicapped in any way.

I suspect you're old enough to remember the 1970s.  I was in my late 
20's by then.  I recall that we weren't exactly walking on egg shells to 
survive.  I didn't make a lot of money but I wasn't broke either.  If 
you needed an extra job there was always something and something that 
matched your talents and interests.  The 21st century stinks.

>
>
>   I guess some of them don't want the
>> money they paid in for Social Security and Medicare.  We are owed that.
> I certainly wouldn't deny that.
>
>> It is not a welfare check.  But it seems to take a baseball bat to knock
>> any sense into conservatives.
>>
>> They also think the 99% are lazy.  No, many of those people have looked
>> for work, have had good jobs in the past and are highly skilled.
> Businesses going overseas probably has a lot to do with it, which dfinitely 
> falls in your category of 'greed' being primarily responsible.  Immigration 
> to the states also takes 'some' of our jobs.  But aside from that, if jobs 
> are scarce, that means the private sector is simply diminishing.

I still wonder how much of that stuff moved overseas is more automated 
than here.  Tech execs would worry if they automated more here then 
unions would be on their backs.  Tech companies aren't usually unionized 
because there is a solution to that: treat your employees nice.  Happy 
employees = happy customers = happy stockholders.  Unfortunately we have 
some shortsighted execs who only focus on the last group.

>
>
>It's
>> like they have been purposely shut out of the job market.  You have a
>> scenario for a violent revolution because highly educated people are not
>> going to put up with this situation much longer.  We know this from history.
>>
 They would most likely agree with higher taxes on the rich.
> Higher taxes is a start, but it also has to be accompanied by significant 
> cuts in spending, which is where a majority of the reduction in deficit is 
> going to have to come from.  But taxing the rich a bit more, I don't have 
> much of a problem with that, only with the illusion that we're going to 
> balance our budget with that alone.  They tried it in Britain a while back, 
> and all the rich people fled the country, or stashed their money where it 
> can't be taxed.

The British socialism of the mid-20th century was a bit too draconian.   
I have some friends whose parents fled due to that. The lesson to be 
learned from the French and Russian revolutions is to not allow things 
to get too out of whack the other direction. Society never seems to 
learn from history.

>
>> Then as I have predicted for some time it will take the collapse of the
>> US for change.  Don't f

[FairfieldLife] Lumppu or Omppu: whose sound is better??

[card]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6BHV-akk7A&feature=player_embedded

Lumppu (trash, slut) = Finnish nickname for Nokia Lumia (920)

Omppu (nickname for apple, omena) = iPhone 5

 I must say I like iPhone 5 better in that respect... :/

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MAHARISHI’S TEACHINGS ON SEX

[Michael Jackson]

Read it and weep? The fact that other gurus from India (those who were true to 
their own teachings and didn't lie to their followers) would have looked down 
on Maha if they knew he was screwing in no way makes me weep nor change my mind.





 From: emptybill 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 11:37 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: MAHARISHI’S TEACHINGS ON SEX
 

  
India has thousands of years of experience
with both celibacy and human duplicity.

If a male brahmacharin/samnyasin is alone in a
room with a woman then they just had sex together.

In India the samnyasin's say that a brahmacharin
having sex is "like eating your own vomit".

This is how these gurus are judged by their peers
in their own tradition and their own country.

Read it and weep.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "mjackson74" 
wrote:
>
>
> For years I believed that Maharishi was a lifelong celibate because
that is what I was taught. I was surprised, really amazed when I first
heard a TM teacher say she had heard he was sexually active. I knew her
pretty well and she insisted it was true. When I asked her how she knew
she told me her sister and brother in law, both TM teachers and
Governors had assured her it was true. They had worked on national staff
for some years and yet it was not first hand information. They had
gotten it from a reliable source who had gotten it from the person who
had it through direct experience.
>
> Third hand info was not too impressive at the time. I did run the
information by another TM teacher who knew both myself and the person
who told me and they didn’t believe it, nor could they believe
that Susie had come to believe it.
>
> So the issue was a non-issue for me until I turned up here on FFL. A
brief exchange with Rick made me feel there really might be something to
the allegations so I looked further, reading everything I could from and
about the women involved which made me about fifty percent convinced it
was true. Even though I had come to believe Maharishi was not
enlightened, and that he was extremely fond of making promises in
exchange for cash, I still could not quite come to believe that he had
lied about that very fundamental aspect of his lifestyle.
>
> What did convince me were the similar stories from the former skin
boys like Mark Landau and Billy Clayton that I came across on the
internet, especially the recent BATGAP video interview with Mark Landau.
>
> Now that got me to thinking why would M preach celibacy to everyone
else if he was not practicing it himself. And I came up with a couple
conclusions.
>
> First, it was not cool in those days to be a guru and be sexually
active, or perhaps more to the point it wasn’t cool to be a guru,
be sexually active and have people in general know that was the case. M
had to maintain the facade that he was celibate to keep people coming to
him believing he was a spiritual master.
>
> Being a spiritual master and fucking just didn’t go together in
those days. This became particularly important when he announced he
wanted TM teachers to dress and behave conservatively so TM would appeal
to the “responsible members of society� meaning older,
financially established people who could and would support M
financially. If they had known he was dipping the wick they would never
have supported him.
>
> In addition I believe he wanted to cut down on the competition. From
the stories his personal secretaries have told, he would often select
women from amongst those on teacher training courses or his staff
â€" if they were being sexually active, they would be leery of
cheating on their spouses or boyfriends and celibacy certainly would
lead the ladies to be already horny, thus making it easier for him to
get in their pants.
>


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Sthapatya Veda is just a Placebo Effect

[Michael Jackson]

I can't argue with any of that!





 From: allanrosenzweig 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 4:14 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Sthapatya Veda is just a Placebo Effect
 

  
It is sorry to see people in Skelmersdale working to make a whole new 
Sthapatya-vedic village, wasting all the effort to build a community, including 
a Golden Dome, with the idea that much good will come of it.

We all want to believe that Maharishi is 100% correct.  But we have also seen 
Veda Land fail, Deepak Chopra going off on his own, tallest building in the 
world in the center of India, and other failed projects and mistakes.  We tend 
to forget about these. He does not have to be 100% correct to be the wisest man 
on Earth.  90%, or even 80%, is still WAY above everyone else.

If the Brits are looking to Fairfield Iowa as an example of SV "success" think 
again.  Telegroup was doing fine, as one of the top 1% of American businesses, 
until they established their headquarters in a new SV building.  They not only 
did NOT succeed, they started going  bankrupt.  Telegroup went from hiring over 
400 employees, to hiring zero - even though it is in an industry that has 
flourished, telecommunications. Same with Global Link, and other companies in 
Fairfield that put their faith in SV.

MUM tore down about 15 "pod" dormitories that were in good shape because the 
were not SV.  They had to have a fund raiser to tear them down.  There was no 
massive influx of students - mainly visa seeking foreign students who don't 
seem to really care about the meditation.  There is not enough housing, so many 
have to live off campus, and tend to be less on the program.  It would have 
been better to keep the pods, and get the revenue for the rooms for the 
students. There is not enough money to build replacement housing.  There are 
just empty fields there.

If something is going to work, it will show results.  We have given SV about 20 
years to show that it works.  There is not a single scientific article 
published about it, much less its success.   People would have noticed, in 
thousands of years, if facing east really brought success or if south did not.  
When does the Sun go from being good at sunrise in the east to being bad around 
noon in the south?  The whole sun-based "logic" is not internally consistent.  
SV is just a placebo effect.  If you think it works, it does.  If you don't 
think it works, you are also right.

Skelmersdale, save your time and money.  Build on what you have already 
achieved.  Maharishi's TM, TM-Sidhis Program, and Super Radiance do work, and 
have scientific research behind them. Sadly SV does not work.  We should face 
the truth and judge knowledge by its fruits. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> Quite simply you don't know what you are talking about - as to feng shui, 
> even a cursory examination of the multitude of feng shui resources will show 
> that in feng shui south facing entrances can be quite positive. There are 
> many different kinds of feng shui and most practitioners (unlike Maha) don't 
> claim to have revitalized and rejuvenated and brought forth the real deal of 
> truth out of an ancient practice. 
> 
> Someone told Maharishi early on that feng shui had good things to say about a 
> south facing entrance and thus in classic Mahastyle he bad mouthed all south 
> facing entrances to distinguish MAHARISHI sthapatya veda from feng shui, 
> really hamming it up as to how much woe and bad fortune would accrue if you 
> don't get a MAHARISHI vastu veda design. And he did this to frighten people 
> into using only HIS brand of architecture to, of course increase his revenue.
> 
> As I have stated here before, if one looks at other vastu veda web sites that 
> are not connected to the Movement, you will see that most of them address the 
> issue of south facing entrances by saying that there are some (unnamed) 
> people who claim an east facing entrance is the only one that is viable and 
> acceptable and that this assertion in not true in all circumstances. These 
> are people who have been studying and practicing vastu veda far longer than 
> Big M ever did. 
> 
> Maha didn't contribute a damn thing to vastu veda except to treat it like all 
> the Hindu/Vedic stuff he promoted over the years, tried to make out like he 
> was the one who either invented it or revitalized it and brought it back into 
> its full glory. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: wgm4u 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Saturday, December 8, 2012 7:36 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: !Progress in the Fairfield Dome Meditation 
> Numbers!
> 
> 
>   
> Maharishi's contribution to the field of architecture via vedic vastu is 
> truly valuable, but like everything in the tmorg it becomes a panacea for all 
> of the worlds woes which is nonsense and a hyperbole.
> 
> Clearly East facing facades

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sthapatya Veda is just a Placebo Effect

[Michael Jackson]

But Marshy in essence said feng shui is crap (that's why he pressed so hard to 
get people to believe south facing entrances are bad) 





 From: nablusoss1008 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 5:02 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sthapatya Veda is just a Placebo Effect
 

  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of allanrosenzweig
> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 3:14 PM
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Sthapatya Veda is just a Placebo Effect
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> It is sorry to see people in Skelmersdale working to make a whole new
> Sthapatya-vedic village, wasting all the effort to build a community,
> including a Golden Dome, with the idea that much good will come of it.
> 
> We all want to believe that Maharishi is 100% correct. But we have also seen
> Veda Land fail, Deepak Chopra going off on his own, tallest building in the
> world in the center of India, and other failed projects and mistakes. We
> tend to forget about these. He does not have to be 100% correct to be the
> wisest man on Earth. 90%, or even 80%, is still WAY above everyone else.
> 
> Who said he was the wisest man on earth?

What the americans can do is just sit back, watch the downwall of capitalism, 
their cherished baby, let the country go bankrupt and ignore Maharishi's 
suggestions regarding Vastu.
As they see their own world crumbling they can watch the Chinese prospering 
using Feng Shui on a big scale.


 

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[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung  wrote:
>
> I taught 2,000 people to meditate -- probably a full 10% didn't even bother 
> to show up for the 10-days checking.  
> 
> Within a year, 95% of them never seen again for anything let alone a checking 
> session.
> 
> I initiated THREE PERCENT OF NAPA CALIFORNIA -- crime didn't lessen.  TM 
> sales didn't increase.  I didn't get enlightened.
> 
> BAH!
> 
> Edg


The Secretary for the "Gotta-blame-Maharishi-for my-miserable-life" is vacant 
Edg, interested ?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count

[Alex Stanley]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, FFL PostCount  wrote:
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Sthapatya Veda is just a Placebo Effect

[Mike Dixon]

Placebo. Nice way to look at it. I always thought of it as the carrot and the 
stick. M always needed a way to keep people interested in the movement and 
gaining enlightenment. At first it was the 5-8 year plan, then rounding 
courses, then age of enlightenment courses, then Sidhis, then ayurveda, 
jyotish,yagyas and then he says * if I had this knowledge(SV) we would be 
through.*He always found a way to keep the TBs thinking *it* was just around 
the corner. The Gita clearly says *only after many life times of this practice 
does one come to Me*. Of course ,that was explained away as *Life times* just 
meant, each time you transcended. Why wouldn't Krishna have put it that way in 
the first place? One story in one of the Upanishads tells of a Devotee of a 
great Guru who asked *how many more life times will it take for me to become 
enlightened?* The master said as many births as there are on that tree, 
pointing to an enormous banyan tree with tens of thousands
 of leaves. The devotee felt enormous relief knowing his births could be 
counted.

 


 From: Michael Jackson 
To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 3:53 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Sthapatya Veda is just a Placebo Effect
   
   
 
I can't argue with any of that!

 


 From: allanrosenzweig 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 4:14 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Sthapatya Veda is just a Placebo Effect
   
  
It is sorry to see people in Skelmersdale working to make a whole new 
Sthapatya-vedic village, wasting all the effort to build a community, including 
a Golden Dome, with the idea that much good will come of it.  We all want to 
believe that Maharishi is 100% correct.  But we have also seen Veda Land fail, 
Deepak Chopra going off on his own, tallest building in the world in the center 
of India, and other failed projects and mistakes.  We tend to forget about 
these. He does not have to be 100% correct to be the wisest man on Earth.  90%, 
or even 80%, is still WAY above everyone else.  If the Brits are looking to 
Fairfield Iowa as an example of SV "success" think again.  Telegroup was doing 
fine, as one of the top 1% of American businesses, until they established their 
headquarters in a new SV building.  They not only did NOT succeed, they started 
going  bankrupt.  Telegroup went from hiring over 400 employees, to hiring zero 
- even though it is in an
 industry that has flourished, telecommunications. Same with Global Link, and 
other companies in Fairfield that put their faith in SV.  MUM tore down about 
15 "pod" dormitories that were in good shape because the were not SV.  They had 
to have a fund raiser to tear them down.  There was no massive influx of 
students - mainly visa seeking foreign students who don't seem to really care 
about the meditation.  There is not enough housing, so many have to live off 
campus, and tend to be less on the program.  It would have been better to keep 
the pods, and get the revenue for the rooms for the students. There is not 
enough money to build replacement housing.  There are just empty fields there.  
If something is going to work, it will show results.  We have given SV about 20 
years to show that it works.  There is not a single scientific article 
published about it, much less its success.   People would have noticed, in 
thousands of years, if facing east really
 brought success or if south did not.  When does the Sun go from being good at 
sunrise in the east to being bad around noon in the south?  The whole sun-based 
"logic" is not internally consistent.  SV is just a placebo effect.  If you 
think it works, it does.  If you don't think it works, you are also right.  
Skelmersdale, save your time and money.  Build on what you have already 
achieved.  Maharishi's TM, TM-Sidhis Program, and Super Radiance do work, and 
have scientific research behind them. Sadly SV does not work.  We should face 
the truth and judge knowledge by its fruits.   --- In 
mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote: 
> > Quite simply you don't know what you are talking about - as to feng shui, 
even a cursory examination of the multitude of feng shui resources will show 
that in feng shui south facing entrances can be quite positive. There are many 
different kinds of feng shui and most practitioners (unlike
 Maha) don't claim to have revitalized and rejuvenated and brought forth the 
real deal of truth out of an ancient practice.  >  > Someone told Maharishi 
early on that feng shui had good things to say about a south facing entrance 
and thus in classic Mahastyle he bad mouthed all south facing entrances to 
distinguish MAHARISHI sthapatya veda from feng shui, really hamming it up as to 
how much woe and bad fortune would accrue if you don't get a MAHARISHI vastu 
veda design. And he did this to frighten people into using only HIS brand of 
architecture to

[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count

[curtisdeltablues]

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> > 992 messages as of (UTC) Fri Dec 14 23:54:49 2012
> > 
> > 52 raunchydog 
> > 51 Michael Jackson 
> >
> >  4 mjackson74 
> 
> BEHOLD THE ALMIGHTY POWER OF ALEX FOR A PERIOD NOT TO EXCEED ONE WEEK, 
> RAUNCHYDOG AND MJACKSON74 SHALL ENDURE THE SILENCE THAT ONLY I, THE GREAT AND 
> POWERFUL ALEX, CAN ENFORCE!


I stand turgid...er...I mean trembling in the presence of the terrifying 
majesty of our moderator.

No wait a second...I did mean turgid, but in my defense Kristen Stewart is 
being interviewed on my DVR copy of last night's Jon Stewart's Daily Show, and 
I am multitasking beyond my ability to firewall these two things.  I'm gunna 
sign off now.  










>

[FairfieldLife] A movie I could care less about

[Bhairitu]

To much hoohah "The Hobbit" opened today in the US.  I could care less.  
i was bored with the book and never finished it and got dragged to the 
first two installments of "Lord of the Rings".  The third I watched on 
DVD and fell asleep on it.  I would say this genre is not my "cuppa 
tea".  It seems it, Dungeons and Dragons and the Magic card game were 
such to many in some alternate universe. I've also worked on video games 
many of which I only played to test some function I had just 
implemented.  Much to some folks in the industry amazement I am not a 
"gamer."  But I also happen to know a few other software developers in 
the game industry that are not "gamers" either.

Parallel in the film industry I've heard many an actor and even director 
say that other than a premiere they don't even watch their own films.  
One of the problems is you just don't see the film that the public sees 
but all the pimples and glitches that the public doesn't notice.  It's 
always "if I had more time" or these days "if I had a bigger budget."

Similarly I'm not all that enthusiastic about the Golden Globes.  I see 
a few folks like Louis CK getting some well deserved recognition but 
over all most of those films are "tentpole movies" which I often don't 
bother to see in the theater if even when they become available on DVD.  
They are often long on technique and short on soul.  They like their 
moniker suggest a circus act.  I prefer to watch instead those less 
commercial foreign and independent films which are now wonderfully 
delivered to my home via streaming services.  I don't have to look 
around come 7' 10" clod who has decided to plop down in front of me at a 
dusty old art house theater. Nor hold my bladder until the end of the film.

Of course there is much buzz about the fantasy movie about eliminating 
some bogeyman that who had outlived his propaganda usefulness and needed 
to be retired before the military intelligence community had enough and 
blew the whistle that the bogeyman had been dead for a good 10 years 
before that operation took place.  Such is the phony world we live in.  
Maybe next time "The Wizard of Oz" is on (which it is around this time 
of year) you might want to pay a little more attention the message 
presented there.  It really isn't all about witches and little people.

[FairfieldLife] Heal the Broken Hearted

[Buck]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
 wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
> >
> > On 12/14/2012 10:35 AM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius wrote:
> > > Just 16 miles or so from where I live in the neighbouring state of 
> > > Connecticut a massive shooting in an elementary school.
> > >
> > > This link is live, so may not be available later on.
> > >
> > > http://www.livestream.com/foxct
> > >
> > >
> > 
> > I predict this will be happening more and more.  It's not about guns 
> > being legal, it's about people losing it when they've lost everything.  
> > Now if they would do us a favor and shoot the fascists instead of 
> > innocent people.  Shows how confused these shooters are.
> 
> Redirecting the trajectory of bullets does not sound like a useful 
> recommendation in this situation.
>

You could feel the collective grief grow this afternoon as everyone heard the 
news.  Obama expressed a communal feeling in the emotional body of most anyone 
nearing this very well.  Care for and bind up the wounded left behind...
  http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-20735204

[FairfieldLife] Re: "Earnest Confusion" to Nablusoss

[awoelflebater]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" steve.sundur@
wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hey, no biggie. I have made plenty of oversights and
> > > mistakes but I was a bit disconcerted to think people
> > > (yourself and Share) were 'on me' for having this
> > > discussion with Curtis which I felt was honest and
> > > searching. There is plenty of crazy negativity and
> > > projecting here at our alma mater we call FFL but there
> > > doesn't have to be even MORE created where there is none.
> > > But like I said, I am sure to be the one to make the
> > > next blooper so I better not say "I told you so!"
> >
> > Hey, I guess this is what you call a gracious and classy
> > reply, instead of what we might have expected from Judy
> > along the lines how how RALY, REALY
> > STOOOPID someone is for making an innocent mistake.
> > But that would be the Judester for ya.
>
> What I find fascinating is that Ann SO misses the point.
> That is, that what *she* calls an "honest and searching
> discussion" is very much in the model of Robin's
> "confrontations," and what Curtis and others have termed
> "boundary violations."
>
> The essence of them is, "I'm going to say things about
> you that are negative and demeaning, and it's OK because
> I really believe them to be true. Now *your* job is to
> respond defensively to them and have an argument with
> me, so that I can demonstrate my superiority to you."
> She doesn't even GET that she's being consistently
> bitchy, mean, and pretending to be oh-so-superior
> to the people she tries to lure into arguments with
> her.
>
> This is the act that many of us are so tired of here.
> WE DON'T OWE YOU SHIT, much less an argument, just
> because you want to have one. We certainly don't owe
> you one when you hide your argument-provoking behind
> a mask of having an "honest and searching discussion."
>
> You (meaning Ann, Robin, Jimbo, Ravi, Raunchydog, and
> others who specialize in this form of "discussion")
> have the right to say whatever you want about us,
> because that is guaranteed by Rick's "anything goes"
> guidelines for Fairfield Life. What you seem to be
> forgetting is *our* right to blow you off like the
> aggressive, bitchy argument addicts you are, and to
> ignore your silly asses.
>
> If you find this "failure to pay attention to you and
> your obsessions" offensive, or even an insult...GOOD.
> If that is the case, you may actually be (belatedly)
> getting the point.
>
> The whole *concept* of people waiting impatiently in
> front of their computers (as we all know Judy is),
> waiting for the new "posting week" to start so that
> they can rip into another of their "enemies" is
> FUCKIN' EMBARRASSING. Judy doesn't get this, and
> never will. Seemingly, neither does Ann. She keeps
> running the same tired old numbers over and over, in
> a seemingly never-ending quest to lure people into
> same boring, unproductive arguments that Robin
> specialized in trying to provoke and that Judy has
> built a nearly twenty-year "career" in provoking.
>
> Can you say "Low standards in role models?" I think
> you can.
>
> Grow the fuck up. Just because you don't like us, or
> because you insult us as often and in as many ways as
> you can think of doesn't mean we owe you a response.
> Curtis has IMO gone out of his way to try to have
> rational discussions with several people who cannot
> conceivably be described as rational themselves. That's
> just the compassionate way that he rolls, and I commend
> him for having the patience to do so.
>
> Me, I'm just not drawn that way. I think the chronic
> abusers should either grow the fuck up or shut the
> fuck up. I'm not going to encourage them by responding
> to their taunts.

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>

[FairfieldLife] no Rashtriya Kavacha here

[srijau]

There is no 2ooo group yet in the USA let alone a 25oo Maharishi prescribed. So 
the bad things come as no surprise and there is worse days to come in coming 
months if thats not reached.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MAHARISHI’S TEACHINGS ON SEX

[Emily Reyn]

Merudanda, this post is so..obba sweet.  So was your lovely response to Ravi 
Shankar's death.  The musical links you included were perfect.

I have never seen that video of Within Without but it was a fun one.  

This has always been one of my favorites of Anoushka's - as east and west are 
"married,"- although Joshua looks a bit worn out at times.  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgCpkduEQ7U&feature=related





>
> From: merudanda 
>To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
>Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 2:43 PM
>Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: MAHARISHI’S TEACHINGS ON SEX
> 
>
>  
>OH oh oh my oja 
>
>oh my ooojjaaa 
>obba  ===jeeba
>remind me on that little cartoon
>
> 
>A young monk arrives at the monastery.  He is
assigned to helping the other monks in copying the old canons and laws of the
church by hand.
>He
notices, however, that all of the monks are copying from copies, not from the
original manuscript.  So, the new monk goes to the head abbot to question
this, pointing out that if someone made even a small error in the first copy,
it would never be picked up!  In fact, that error would be continued in
all of the subsequent copies. 
>The head monk, says, "We have been copying from
the copies for centuries, but you make a good point, my son."
> 
>He goes down into the dark caves underneath the
monastery where the original manuscripts are held as archives in a locked vault
that hasn't been opened for hundreds of years.  Hours go by and nobody
sees the old abbot…
>So, the young monk gets worried and goes down to look
for him.  He sees him banging his head against the wall and wailing:
>We missed the R!
>We missed the R!
>We missed the R!
> 
>His forehead is all bloody and bruised and he is
crying uncontrollably.  The young monk asks the old abbot, "What's
wrong, father?"
>With A choking voice, the old abbot replies, "The
word was...
> 
>CELEB R ATE
>But
wasn't that your fault my oh my obbajeeba 
>
>What have you done in your
previous life as a scribe , as a monk? Should be a lesson to be more careful 
next time , will you—
>BTW
welcome to the  Faith for Fake
enLife  back again  
>A recently uncovered fragment of ancient papyrus makes
the explosive suggestion that Jesus and Mary Magdalene were man and wife,
researchers say.
>
>Read more: 
>http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2205235/Jesus-married-Proof-God-spoke-wife-Mary-Magdalene-ancient-papyrus.htmlHallelujah,
> Jesus was celibate! Vatican insists ancient
fragment onChrist's wife a fake
>Read more:
> 
>http://rt.com/art-and-culture/news/jesus-gospel-wife-celibate-228/
>--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba  wrote:
>>
>> Haha, not referring to you, just wondered if you had thoughts to as why so 
>> many people follow someone as a Saint or Master if they are believed to be 
>> celibate.
>>  To this way of thinking, why does belief in celibacy in full adult age 
>> bring more wisdom? 
>> Maybe a misinterpretation to ancient scriptures? 
>> 
>> 
>snip
>
> 
>
>

[FairfieldLife] celibacy is a means to an ends

[srijau]

when you have reached the ends then the means may have become a habit(or not), 
doesn't matter to you

Re: [FairfieldLife] Almost Forgot...Be Nice Wednesday

[Emily Reyn]

Nice song from Pink.  Pavorotti *owns* Nessun Dorma.  Very nice for Aretha to 
step in. I've posted Nessun Dorma before, but it's so good, here it is again:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTFUM4Uh_6Y&feature=related






>
> From: laughinggull108 
>To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
>Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 5:09 PM
>Subject: [FairfieldLife] Almost Forgot...Be Nice Wednesday
> 
>
>  
>A little opera from the Queen of Soul...
>
>http://youtu.be/3yryK80Va2g
>
>(I was privileged to see this in real time when it first aired.)
>
>A little Pink...
>
>http://youtu.be/3stsDXki__U
>
>(Ditto on seeing this when it first aired.)
>
>A whole lotta Powder...
>
>http://youtu.be/QHh1108IRGU
>
>(One of my favorite movies. Really, take the time to watch this.)
>
>And (drum roll please)...
>
>The Hobbit, Part 1, is in theaters this Friday.
>
>Now that should keep everybody busy and out of trouble at least until next 
>week, right?
>
>
> 
>
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Spiritual Question For Wednesday

[Emily Reyn]

Thanks for the Vaughan Richard, this was excellent.  



>
> From: Richard J. Williams 
>To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
>Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 12:29 PM
>Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Spiritual Question For Wednesday
> 
>
>  
>
>
>> > It was an interesting article that WillyWiener pointed
>> > out, though. I agree with very few of David Fricke's
>> > "rankings," but his choice of guitarists is admirable.
>> > ...
>> >
>Bhairitu:
>> For every "star" there are a 1000 or more equally or 
>> more competent as musicians. Most of the famous artists, 
>> if they don't let their ego get in the way, acknowledge 
>> this...
>>
>"Yeah, I've seen a lot of great guitarists, but I remember 
>the first time I saw Stevie Ray Vaughan. It was in 
>Nashville, and he — still pretty unknown — was opening for 
>BB King. 
>
>It was like a force of nature on the stage, which is a 
>cliche but that's the only way I could describe it. He was 
>opening for B.B. King, who was still very much on his game, 
>but the Beeb waited a solid hour to come out, and when he 
>did it still felt like the echoes from Stevie Ray's set 
>were reverberating around the hall."
>
>Posted by Glenn Reynolds:
>http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/159430/
>
>'Stevie Ray Vaughan - Couldn't Stand The Weather'
>http://youtu.be/uOF8QmRBVng
>
>
> 
>
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Second objective accomplished...for now

[Emily Reyn]

Just wanted to say Alex, that I loved your brave little story of changing the 
jeep tire...my jeep thanks you in advance.  I find the few glimpses one get 
into others' on the ground, operational aspects of their lives inspirational.  



>
> From: "doctordumb...@rocketmail.com" 
>To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
>Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 9:13 AM
>Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Second objective accomplished...for now
> 
>
>  
>I am NOT appealing for the rule to be enforced. My Point Is, I think you are a 
>little prick who enjoys abusing what little power he has, when it suits him. 
>
>After your pathetic whine about your flat tire the other day, I quite frankly 
>don't think you are capable of enforcing anything, including your digestion.
>
>Idiot.
>
>--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"  
>wrote:
>>
>> I think Rick's original intent with the anonymity rule was to make FFL a 
>> place to have open discussions without fear. And, there are people here who 
>> do post completely anonymously, in the spirit of that intent. I respect 
>> that. But, taking on an anonymous identity in order to troll is bullshit, 
>> especially when the person can't even be bothered to keep the anonymous 
>> identity anonymous. As I've demonstrated in the past, I do enforce the 
>> anonymity rule for people who use it legitimately. I've also been openly 
>> critical of people claiming anonymity and appealing for the rule to be 
>> enforced when they're really not actually anonymous. I've been consistent in 
>> that stance, and I'm not going to change it. 
>> 
>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
>> >
>> > No, no, no Alex. My advice is to keep your head where it belongs. This has 
>> > long been a forum where anonymity has been respected. 
>> > 
>> > I don't mind my various identities coming to light. Makes it all the more 
>> > interesting, don't you think? Quite a good game for us all. 
>> > 
>> > Though I would caution you, as a forum moderator to be careful about 
>> > letting your own prejudices determine how you treat others here. Its kind 
>> > of an ugly thing to witness, wouldn't you agree? 
>> > 
>> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" 
>> >  wrote:
>> > >
>> > > 
>> > > 
>> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > 
>> > > > I've had "private communication" with YOU more often
>> > > > than I have Curtis since August. The reason, of course,
>> > > > is that in a moment of "silent mind stupidity," 
>> > > > shortly after you showed up here with your latest
>> > > > attempt to hide who you were behind yet another new
>> > > > screen name, you managed to click the wrong setting 
>> > > > or something and send me a *private email* to my Yahoo 
>> > > > email address, signed by and purporting to come from 
>> > > > "doctordumbass," but clearly having been sent from 
>> > > > your jim_flanegin email address, and bearing that 
>> > > > address in the headers. 
>> > > 
>> > > He posts as Jim Flanegan on The Golden Buddhic Gas Pump of Pure 
>> > > Knowledge and probably uses the same web browser for all his online 
>> > > activities. My advice is to use different web browsers for different 
>> > > Yahoo IDs. And, with large and/or multiple monitors, keeping the 
>> > > browsers parked in different locations on the desktop further helps to 
>> > > keep the different IDs separate.
>> > >
>> >
>>
>
>
> 
>
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Almost Forgot...Be Nice Wednesday

[feste37]

Call me a snob, but Aretha Franklin should have left that one for the people 
who know how to sing it. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn  wrote:
>
> Nice song from Pink.  Pavorotti *owns* Nessun Dorma.  Very nice for Aretha 
> to step in. I've posted Nessun Dorma before, but it's so good, here it is 
> again:
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTFUM4Uh_6Y&feature=related
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >
> > From: laughinggull108 
> >To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> >Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 5:09 PM
> >Subject: [FairfieldLife] Almost Forgot...Be Nice Wednesday
> > 
> >
> >  
> >A little opera from the Queen of Soul...
> >
> >http://youtu.be/3yryK80Va2g
> >
> >(I was privileged to see this in real time when it first aired.)
> >
> >A little Pink...
> >
> >http://youtu.be/3stsDXki__U
> >
> >(Ditto on seeing this when it first aired.)
> >
> >A whole lotta Powder...
> >
> >http://youtu.be/QHh1108IRGU
> >
> >(One of my favorite movies. Really, take the time to watch this.)
> >
> >And (drum roll please)...
> >
> >The Hobbit, Part 1, is in theaters this Friday.
> >
> >Now that should keep everybody busy and out of trouble at least until next 
> >week, right?
> >
> >
> > 
> >
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Second objective accomplished...for now

[Bhairitu]

About a month back I took my Forester to a local repair shop for an oil 
change and checkup.  They needed to replace some left axle stuff which 
required that the wheel be removed.  The Forester has nice alloy wheels 
and to keep them from getting stolen I have a lug on each wheel that 
requires a special key to remove.   Many times after leaving the car at 
a shop I would get a call asking where that key was.  "Where else but in 
the tool kit in the back with the spare", I would reply.  This is not 
something you leave at home.  Usually they would return to the little 
tool pack next to the spare well.  This time they didn't and I didn't 
discover until last Sunday that they had not replaced the key.  So I 
called and asked if they had an orphaned wheel lock key but they 
didn't.  So they have ordered a new set as a replacement.  From now on 
I'll check as soon as I pick up the car after a repair.  Wouldn't want 
to be on the road with a flat and not have that key.

On 12/14/2012 06:26 PM, Emily Reyn wrote:
> Just wanted to say Alex, that I loved your brave little story of changing the 
> jeep tire...my jeep thanks you in advance.  I find the few glimpses one get 
> into others' on the ground, operational aspects of their lives inspirational.
>
>
>
>> 
>> From: "doctordumb...@rocketmail.com" 
>> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
>> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 9:13 AM
>> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Second objective accomplished...for now
>>
>>
>>
>> I am NOT appealing for the rule to be enforced. My Point Is, I think you are 
>> a little prick who enjoys abusing what little power he has, when it suits 
>> him.
>>
>> After your pathetic whine about your flat tire the other day, I quite 
>> frankly don't think you are capable of enforcing anything, including your 
>> digestion.
>>
>> Idiot.
>>
>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" 
>>  wrote:
>>> I think Rick's original intent with the anonymity rule was to make FFL a 
>>> place to have open discussions without fear. And, there are people here who 
>>> do post completely anonymously, in the spirit of that intent. I respect 
>>> that. But, taking on an anonymous identity in order to troll is bullshit, 
>>> especially when the person can't even be bothered to keep the anonymous 
>>> identity anonymous. As I've demonstrated in the past, I do enforce the 
>>> anonymity rule for people who use it legitimately. I've also been openly 
>>> critical of people claiming anonymity and appealing for the rule to be 
>>> enforced when they're really not actually anonymous. I've been consistent 
>>> in that stance, and I'm not going to change it.
>>>
>>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
 No, no, no Alex. My advice is to keep your head where it belongs. This has 
 long been a forum where anonymity has been respected.

 I don't mind my various identities coming to light. Makes it all the more 
 interesting, don't you think? Quite a good game for us all.

 Though I would caution you, as a forum moderator to be careful about 
 letting your own prejudices determine how you treat others here. Its kind 
 of an ugly thing to witness, wouldn't you agree?

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" 
  wrote:
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>>
>> I've had "private communication" with YOU more often
>> than I have Curtis since August. The reason, of course,
>> is that in a moment of "silent mind stupidity,"
>> shortly after you showed up here with your latest
>> attempt to hide who you were behind yet another new
>> screen name, you managed to click the wrong setting
>> or something and send me a *private email* to my Yahoo
>> email address, signed by and purporting to come from
>> "doctordumbass," but clearly having been sent from
>> your jim_flanegin email address, and bearing that
>> address in the headers.
> He posts as Jim Flanegan on The Golden Buddhic Gas Pump of Pure Knowledge 
> and probably uses the same web browser for all his online activities. My 
> advice is to use different web browsers for different Yahoo IDs. And, 
> with large and/or multiple monitors, keeping the browsers parked in 
> different locations on the desktop further helps to keep the different 
> IDs separate.
>
>>
>>
>>
>>

[FairfieldLife] Forget the Christian hatred of the "Corrupt World"

[emptybill]

It was a perversion of Western culture.FOUCAULT / Askesis is not
Christian asceticism.


"...this new kind of parrhesiastic game – where the problem is to 
confront the truth about yourself – requires what the Greeks called 
"askesis". Although our word "asceticism" derives from the   Greek word
"askesis" (since the meaning of the word changes as it  becomes
associated with various Christian practices), for the Greeks the  word
does not mean "ascetic", but has a very broad sense   denoting any kind
of practical training or exercise. For example, it  was a commonplace to
say that any kind of art or technique had to be  learned by mathesis and
askesis – by theoretical knowledge   and practical training. And,
for instance, when Musonius Rufus says  that the art of living, techne
tou biou, is like the other arts, i.e.,  an art which one could not
learn only through theoretical   teachings, he is repeating a
traditional doctrine. This techne tou  biou, this art of living, demands
practice and training: askesis. But  the Greek conception of askesis
differs from Christian   ascetic practices in at least two ways: (1)
Christian asceticism has  its ultimate aim or target the renunciation of
the self, whereas the  moral askesis of the Greco-Roman philosophies has
as its   goal the establishment of a specific relationship to oneself
– a  relationship of self possession and self-sovereignty; (2)
Christian  asceticism takes as its principle theme detachment from the  
world, whereas the ascetic practices of the Greco-Roman philosophies 
are generally concerned with endowing the individual with the 
preparation and the moral equipment that will permit him to fully  
confront the world in an ethical and rational manner. " Foucault In 
1983 at Berkeley University

[FairfieldLife] Re: Voter Frustration Over Politicians

[seekliberation]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:

> 
> India?  That's where I learned that it was difficult for companies to 
> find people who wanted to work anymore than 2 hours a day.   It's the 
> scale of the economy.  It appears the same thing exists in the Middle 
> East (another thing that pisses off the western establishment).   What 
> if working only 10 hours a week paid all your living expenses and 
> more?   Once again things were a lot more in balance in the 1970s and 
> they are way out of whack today.
>

India and the middle east are definitely examples of a life that Americans will 
ever want to gravitate towards.  I've been to the middle east, and there are 
entire villages full of children with lip fungus because they have no soap to 
wash their hands with, and no toilet paper.  If someone is seriously hurt or 
their house is on firesucks to be them, no fire dept, no police, no 
paramedics.  Education?  Not doing to good there either (perhaps some developed 
areas in India or okay, if you're from a wealthier family).  They are, however, 
capable of surviving for a lifetime (for the most part).  I think it's all just 
a matter of how much convenience you want.  Americans want a hell of a lot, so 
in turn, we have to work a lot.  However, few people realize the only reason we 
became the economic power we are is due to all the slavery prior to the 
industrial revolution.  Take that away, and we'd probably be living just like a 
2nd or 3rd world country.

seekliberation 

[FairfieldLife] 21.21.2012

[Buck]

12.16-23 Mars is under the close aspect of Ketu.  This typically connected with 
fires, accidents, explosions and military conflict.  On Dec 21st malefics 
particularly are all very strong as so is Jupiter.  

[FairfieldLife] 12-21-2012

[Buck]

The period of 12.16-23 Mars is under the close aspect of Ketu. This typically 
is connected with fires, accidents, explosions and military conflict. On Dec 
21st malefics particularly are all very strong as so is Jupiter.

[FairfieldLife] Re: no Rashtriya Kavacha here

[Buck]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, srijau@...  wrote:
>
> There is no 2ooo group yet in the USA let alone a 25oo Maharishi prescribed. 
> So the bad things come as no surprise and there is worse days to come in 
> coming months if thats not reached.
>

This really is the central problem.

[FairfieldLife] Re: no Rashtriya Kavacha here

[Buck]

> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, srijau@  wrote:
> >
> > There is no 2ooo group yet in the USA let alone a 25oo Maharishi 
> > prescribed. So the bad things come as no surprise and there is worse days 
> > to come in coming months if thats not reached.
> >
> 
> This really is the central problem.
>

Yep, employing the principle of the second element in a rectifying solution of 
all the damage that has been done by some people in the middle and bringing a 
reconciliation to all the elements of the meditating community here, then 

Going forward,

The conservatives inside who have stuck things up so bad for so long need 
Four things:

Friendliness, Compassion, Happiness, to 'mind your own business'
and then additionally, to have the courage to be Magnanimous or else at least 
get out of the way.

With Hopeful Regard of the Difficulties of the Situation,
-Buck in the Dome

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Voter Frustration Over Politicians

[Bhairitu]

On 12/14/2012 07:31 PM, seekliberation wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
>> India?  That's where I learned that it was difficult for companies to
>> find people who wanted to work anymore than 2 hours a day.   It's the
>> scale of the economy.  It appears the same thing exists in the Middle
>> East (another thing that pisses off the western establishment).   What
>> if working only 10 hours a week paid all your living expenses and
>> more?   Once again things were a lot more in balance in the 1970s and
>> they are way out of whack today.
>>
> India and the middle east are definitely examples of a life that Americans 
> will ever want to gravitate towards.  I've been to the middle east, and there 
> are entire villages full of children with lip fungus because they have no 
> soap to wash their hands with, and no toilet paper.  If someone is seriously 
> hurt or their house is on firesucks to be them, no fire dept, no police, 
> no paramedics.  Education?  Not doing to good there either (perhaps some 
> developed areas in India or okay, if you're from a wealthier family).  They 
> are, however, capable of surviving for a lifetime (for the most part).  I 
> think it's all just a matter of how much convenience you want.  Americans 
> want a hell of a lot, so in turn, we have to work a lot.  However, few people 
> realize the only reason we became the economic power we are is due to all the 
> slavery prior to the industrial revolution.  Take that away, and we'd 
> probably be living just like a 2nd or 3rd world country.
>
> seekliberation

Try expanding your mind a little more and visualize what the US would be 
like if folks worked less and lead a simpler life.  First off we already 
have the advantage of cheap technology which trumps the problems you 
mention with the middle east.  We have toilet paper.  We have medical 
knowledge and with technology we can give people a lot more medical care 
without having to use expensive doctors so much.  We have police, we 
have fire department we have paramedics.  They even might enjoy a 10 
hour work week too.  Stretch your imagination more.  We only have 40 
hour work weeks because the industrial age tycoons wanted wage slaves.  
And at that it took unions to reduce the hours though hogs wanted and 
keep them from using children too.  Contrary to popular belief, work is 
NOT the purpose of life.

We need a leaner cleaner world not the clutter materialistic one which 
only benefits the few rich who scam the populace by selling them 
needless things.  Celebrate December 22nd the way it was meant to be 
celebrated with global change.  Throw the rich bums out!

[FairfieldLife] Re: "Earnest Confusion" to Steve

[seventhray27]

Thanks Share.  I wouldn't have expected to post so much these past few
months, but just worked out that way I guess.

Here's something I came up with the other night when I couldn't sleep.

Don't mean to offend anyone, (on what's turned out to be a sad day)

  There's been a lot of talk about craft beers here, and the other
night, having trouble sleeping I thought about what qualities of a craft
bear could be compared to a posting style.  I came up with some side by
side comparisons.  And as many posts contain insults, the descriptions
should also be viewed as applying to insult styles as well.

Ann – A relatively smooth concoction, but goes from sweet to bitter
and back again many times in a single pint, usually ending on a mildly
bitter note.

Alex – crisp and light, with emphasis on crisp.

Share – very smooth, but always with a strong finish.  (a personal
favorite of mine)

Raunchy – a true artisan, brewing a complex, original beer, with a
bitter, yet sweet characteristic throughout.  The labels are her bottles
reflect well the flavor within.  Said to be coming out with a new brew
called SOTTPS

Judy – At some point the fermentation process got messed up.  It may
be that power got cut to the cooling tanks.  A result is a quite bitter
concoction.  On the other hand, the ingredient list on the bottle is
impeccable, including the bottling date, and origin and date of the
harvest of the hops. The beer, in spite of its flaws, retains a strong
following.

Jim –Loves the King of Beers, Budweiser.  I think he just likes the
idea of "King" (-:  Recently started brewing in a second venue. 
The beer in the previous venue was getting a little stale beer it is
said.  Word is that they weren't really drinking much beer, but
rather spending a lot of time talking about the attributes of different
beers.

Laughinggull – Is it really beer she is brewing, or just a fizzy,
sparkling beverage?  The jury is out on that, but it always tickles the
insides.

Curtis – An extraordinary brewer.  It seems his concoctions draw
outsize attention from beer critics.  He is regularly accused of
blasphemy in regards to the higher origins of the product.  And yet his
critics have a difficult time making their accusations stick, as he
seems to have thought through the origins, development, and final
disposition of the product better than most people would expect.

Nablusoss – The beer he brews is quite bitter.  Occasionally some
sweetness may creep in, even if by mistake, but it greatly enhances the
drinkability when that happens.

Irantea – A good honest brew.  Dark and rich in the true Bavarian
Tradition.

Susan – Has what we used to refer to  as 3/2 beer.  Mild, and not
much buzz but an alcohol beverage nonetheless.

Xeno - A decent, but basically non alcoholic brew.  On the other hand,
the highly technical brewing process as outlined on the bottle has
generated a respectable following.

Ravi - Wy too much fermentation going on with this brew. In fact his
brew requires special plastic packaging as the concoction keeps leaking
from the bottle. And the beer itself? Rather unique, but once you get
used to the pungent aroma from the leaking yeast, it is not that bad.
The brew definitely has its adherents, but it is an acquired taste.

Barry – A strong masculine beer. So strong in fact that one often
gags on it.  Men have a little better time with it, but most woman just
cannot handle those stout overtones and usually just spit it out.  He is
said to be trying to come up with concoction with just a tad more
sweetness, but the beer drinking community seems skeptical on this
point.

Robin – A complicated brew.  The final note never seems to end. 
Plus, he says it is beer, but much of the time it tastes like malt
liquor.  The label doesn't help much in that regard.  The rumor is
that he plans to get some brewing tips from monks to help him come up
with something which can positively be identified as to what type of
beverage it is.

Emily- Not so much a beer maker as a wine connoisseur.  But she has a
remarkable ability to deconstruct the different influences and notes in
a given wine.  Very much an up and comer in this world.

Edg – His beer appears to have been pulled off the market except for
brief appearances.  But it is always an enjoyable potpourri whenever it
does appear.  That is, with exception of a certain Texas brew.  Word is
that a sample has been sent to the Center of Disease Control and
Prevention for further evaluation.

Merudanda – The concoction is all over the place.  But the label! Oh
the label is always divine.  Accolades from the beer swilling community
on that one.

Feste – What can only be described as a "mature" beer. 
Respectable in every parameter.  Best enjoyed in a get together of old
friends, perhaps before or after a art walk.

Bill – A technical beer.  Quite dry, but with some good notes. The
label often has footnotes on little known facts on the history of beer
making.  A dictionary of Hindu and Buddhist ter

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Earnest Confusion" to Steve

[Ravi Chivukula]

Hmm..I don't know why but your post suddenly reminded me of my days in
school - the disgusting, cheap ass beer my broke ass friends & I would
drink to get drunk - 6 pack of Magnum Malt liquor for $2.99 and the
disgusting, cheap Sundance cigarettes we used to smoke.

On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 9:33 PM, seventhray27 wrote:

> **
>
>
> Thanks Share.  I wouldn't have expected to post so much these past few
> months, but just worked out that way I guess.
>
> Here's something I came up with the other night when I couldn't sleep.
>
> Don't mean to offend anyone, (on what's turned out to be a sad day)
>
>  There's been a lot of talk about craft beers here, and the other night,
> having trouble sleeping I thought about what qualities of a craft bear
> could be compared to a posting style.  I came up with some side by side
> comparisons.  And as many posts contain insults, the descriptions should
> also be viewed as applying to insult styles as well.
>
> Ann – A relatively smooth concoction, but goes from sweet to bitter and
> back again many times in a single pint, usually ending on a mildly bitter
> note.
>
> Alex – crisp and light, with emphasis on crisp.
>
> Share – very smooth, but always with a strong finish.  (a personal
> favorite of mine)
>
> Raunchy – a true artisan, brewing a complex, original beer, with a bitter,
> yet sweet characteristic throughout.  The labels are her bottles reflect
> well the flavor within.  Said to be coming out with a new brew called
> SOTTPS
>
> Judy – At some point the fermentation process got messed up.  It may be
> that power got cut to the cooling tanks.  A result is a quite bitter
> concoction.  On the other hand, the ingredient list on the bottle is
> impeccable, including the bottling date, and origin and date of the harvest
> of the hops. The beer, in spite of its flaws, retains a strong following.
>
> Jim –Loves the King of Beers, Budweiser.  I think he just likes the idea
> of "King" (-:  Recently started brewing in a second venue.  The beer in
> the previous venue was getting a little stale beer it is said.  Word is
> that they weren't really drinking much beer, but rather spending a lot of
> time talking about the attributes of different beers.
>
> Laughinggull – Is it really beer she is brewing, or just a fizzy,
> sparkling beverage?  The jury is out on that, but it always tickles the
> insides.
>
> Curtis – An extraordinary brewer.  It seems his concoctions draw outsize
> attention from beer critics.  He is regularly accused of blasphemy in
> regards to the higher origins of the product.  And yet his critics have a
> difficult time making their accusations stick, as he seems to have thought
> through the origins, development, and final disposition of the product
> better than most people would expect.
>
> Nablusoss – The beer he brews is quite bitter.  Occasionally some
> sweetness may creep in, even if by mistake, but it greatly enhances the
> drinkability when that happens.
>
> Irantea – A good honest brew.  Dark and rich in the true Bavarian
> Tradition.
>
> Susan – Has what we used to refer to  as 3/2 beer.  Mild, and not much
> buzz but an alcohol beverage nonetheless.
>
> Xeno - A decent, but basically non alcoholic brew.  On the other hand,
> the highly technical brewing process as outlined on the bottle has
> generated a respectable following.
>
> Ravi - Wy too much fermentation going on with this brew. In fact his
> brew requires special plastic packaging as the concoction keeps leaking
> from the bottle. And the beer itself? Rather unique, but once you get used
> to the pungent aroma from the leaking yeast, it is not that bad. The brew
> definitely has its adherents, but it is an acquired taste. 
>
> Barry – A strong masculine beer. So strong in fact that one often gags on
> it.  Men have a little better time with it, but most woman just cannot
> handle those stout overtones and usually just spit it out.  He is said to
> be trying to come up with concoction with just a tad more sweetness, but
> the beer drinking community seems skeptical on this point.
>
> Robin – A complicated brew.  The final note never seems to end.  Plus, he
> says it is beer, but much of the time it tastes like malt liquor.  The
> label doesn't help much in that regard.  The rumor is that he plans to
> get some brewing tips from monks to help him come up with something which
> can positively be identified as to what type of beverage it is. 
>
> Emily- Not so much a beer maker as a wine connoisseur.  But she has a
> remarkable ability to deconstruct the different influences and notes in a
> given wine.  Very much an up and comer in this world.
>
> Edg – His beer appears to have been pulled off the market except for brief
> appearances.  But it is always an enjoyable potpourri whenever it does
> appear.  That is, with exception of a certain Texas brew.  Word is that a
> sample has been sent to the Center of Disease Control and Prevention for
> further evaluation.***

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Earnest Confusion" to Steve

[Emily Reyn]

Steve.  You've been movin' forward on the humor front of late - some good 
posts.  Thanks for the effort on this - very sweet.  

I've spent some of this evening reading on the Connecticut tragedy.  I simply 
cannot get over that the mother was a gun collector and knew she had a mentally 
ill son.  Not that that would have made a difference - but it certainly made it 
easier than it had to be.  All those kids, all those families, his family, 
Christmas, no way to fix it, no way to make it better, ever.  RIP.  


>
> From: seventhray27 
>To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
>Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 9:33 PM
>Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Earnest Confusion" to Steve
> 
>
>  
>Thanks Share.  I wouldn't have expected to post so much these past few months, 
>but just worked out that way I guess.
>Here's something I came up with the other night when I couldn't sleep.
>Don't mean to offend anyone, (on what's turned out to be a sad day)
> There's been a lot of talk about craft beers here, and the other night, 
>having trouble sleeping I thought about what qualities of a craft bear could 
>be compared to a posting style.  I came up with some side by side 
>comparisons.  And as many posts contain insults, the descriptions should also 
>be viewed as applying to insult styles as well. 
>Ann – A relatively smooth concoction, but goes from sweet to bitter and back 
>again many times in a single pint, usually ending on a mildly bitter note.
>Alex – crisp and light, with emphasis on crisp.
>Share – very smooth, but always with a strong finish.  (a personal favorite of 
>mine)
>Raunchy – a true artisan, brewing a complex, original beer, with a bitter, yet 
>sweet characteristic throughout.  The labels are her bottles reflect well the 
>flavor within.  Said to be coming out with a new brew called SOTTPS
>Judy – At some point the fermentation process got messed up.  It may be that 
>power got cut to the cooling tanks.  A result is a quite bitter concoction.  
>On the other hand, the ingredient list on the bottle is impeccable, including 
>the bottling date, and origin and date of the harvest of the hops. The beer, 
>in spite of its flaws, retains a strong following.
>Jim –Loves the King of Beers, Budweiser.  I think he just likes the idea of 
>"King" (-:  Recently started brewing in a second venue.  The beer in the 
>previous venue was getting a little stale beer it is said.  Word is that they 
>weren't really drinking much beer, but rather spending a lot of time talking 
>about the attributes of different beers.
>Laughinggull – Is it really beer she is brewing, or just a fizzy, sparkling 
>beverage?  The jury is out on that, but it always tickles the insides. 
>Curtis – An extraordinary brewer.  It seems his concoctions draw outsize 
>attention from beer critics.  He is regularly accused of blasphemy in regards 
>to the higher origins of the product.  And yet his critics have a difficult 
>time making their accusations stick, as he seems to have thought through the 
>origins, development, and final disposition of the product better than most 
>people would expect.
>Nablusoss – The beer he brews is quite bitter.  Occasionally some sweetness 
>may creep in, even if by mistake, but it greatly enhances the drinkability 
>when that happens.
>Irantea – A good honest brew.  Dark and rich in the true Bavarian Tradition.
>Susan – Has what we used to refer to  as 3/2 beer.  Mild, and not much buzz 
>but an alcohol beverage nonetheless.
>Xeno - A decent, but basically non alcoholic brew.  On the other hand, the 
>highly technical brewing process as outlined on the bottle has generated a 
>respectable following.
>Ravi - Wy too much fermentation going on with this brew. In fact his brew 
>requires special plastic packaging as the concoction keeps leaking from the 
>bottle. And the beer itself? Rather unique, but once you get used to the 
>pungent aroma from the leaking yeast, it is not that bad. The brew definitely 
>has its adherents, but it is an acquired taste. 
>Barry – A strong masculine beer. So strong in fact that one often gags on it.  
>Men have a little better time with it, but most woman just cannot handle those 
>stout overtones and usually just spit it out.  He is said to be trying to come 
>up with concoction with just a tad more sweetness, but the beer drinking 
>community seems skeptical on this point.
>Robin – A complicated brew.  The final note never seems to end.  Plus, he says 
>it is beer, but much of the time it tastes like malt liquor.  The label 
>doesn't help much in that regard.  The rumor is that he plans to get some 
>brewing tips from monks to help him come up with something which can 
>positively be identified as to what type of beverage it is. 
>Emily- Not so much a beer maker as a wine connoisseur.  But she has a 
>remarkable ability to deconstruct the different influences and notes in a 
>given wine.  Very much an up and comer in this world.
>Edg – His beer appear

[FairfieldLife] Re: "Earnest Confusion" to Steve

[seventhray27]

Oh shit, I forgot Richard.  Maybe that cause I usually skip his posts.

But how about, the "Go Figure" beer, or the "Affectionate Troll" beer. 
I'm just not dialed in here.  Or maybe,

"The Beer that Made the Austin Brahmastan Famous"

(you know, "Schlitz, The Beer that Made Milwaukee Famous")

Oh, Jesus, and Buck.

How about, "Too Far Gone" beer, or "Do As I Say, Say, Say" beer.  That
might be in close proximity.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" 
wrote:
>
>
> Thanks Share. I wouldn't have expected to post so much these past few
> months, but just worked out that way I guess.
>
> Here's something I came up with the other night when I couldn't sleep.
>
> Don't mean to offend anyone, (on what's turned out to be a sad day)
>
> There's been a lot of talk about craft beers here, and the other
> night, having trouble sleeping I thought about what qualities of a
craft
> bear could be compared to a posting style. I came up with some side by
> side comparisons. And as many posts contain insults, the descriptions
> should also be viewed as applying to insult styles as well.
>
> Ann – A relatively smooth concoction, but goes from sweet to
bitter
> and back again many times in a single pint, usually ending on a mildly
> bitter note.
>
> Alex – crisp and light, with emphasis on crisp.
>
> Share – very smooth, but always with a strong finish. (a personal
> favorite of mine)
>
> Raunchy – a true artisan, brewing a complex, original beer, with a
> bitter, yet sweet characteristic throughout. The labels are her
bottles
> reflect well the flavor within. Said to be coming out with a new brew
> called SOTTPS
>
> Judy – At some point the fermentation process got messed up. It
may
> be that power got cut to the cooling tanks. A result is a quite bitter
> concoction. On the other hand, the ingredient list on the bottle is
> impeccable, including the bottling date, and origin and date of the
> harvest of the hops. The beer, in spite of its flaws, retains a strong
> following.
>
> Jim –Loves the King of Beers, Budweiser. I think he just likes the
> idea of "King" (-: Recently started brewing in a second venue.
> The beer in the previous venue was getting a little stale beer it is
> said. Word is that they weren't really drinking much beer, but
> rather spending a lot of time talking about the attributes of
different
> beers.
>
> Laughinggull – Is it really beer she is brewing, or just a fizzy,
> sparkling beverage? The jury is out on that, but it always tickles the
> insides.
>
> Curtis – An extraordinary brewer. It seems his concoctions draw
> outsize attention from beer critics. He is regularly accused of
> blasphemy in regards to the higher origins of the product. And yet his
> critics have a difficult time making their accusations stick, as he
> seems to have thought through the origins, development, and final
> disposition of the product better than most people would expect.
>
> Nablusoss – The beer he brews is quite bitter. Occasionally some
> sweetness may creep in, even if by mistake, but it greatly enhances
the
> drinkability when that happens.
>
> Irantea – A good honest brew. Dark and rich in the true Bavarian
> Tradition.
>
> Susan – Has what we used to refer to as 3/2 beer. Mild, and not
> much buzz but an alcohol beverage nonetheless.
>
> Xeno - A decent, but basically non alcoholic brew. On the other hand,
> the highly technical brewing process as outlined on the bottle has
> generated a respectable following.
>
> Ravi - Wy too much fermentation going on with this brew. In fact
his
> brew requires special plastic packaging as the concoction keeps
leaking
> from the bottle. And the beer itself? Rather unique, but once you get
> used to the pungent aroma from the leaking yeast, it is not that bad.
> The brew definitely has its adherents, but it is an acquired taste.
>
> Barry – A strong masculine beer. So strong in fact that one often
> gags on it. Men have a little better time with it, but most woman just
> cannot handle those stout overtones and usually just spit it out. He
is
> said to be trying to come up with concoction with just a tad more
> sweetness, but the beer drinking community seems skeptical on this
> point.
>
> Robin – A complicated brew. The final note never seems to end.
> Plus, he says it is beer, but much of the time it tastes like malt
> liquor. The label doesn't help much in that regard. The rumor is
> that he plans to get some brewing tips from monks to help him come up
> with something which can positively be identified as to what type of
> beverage it is.
>
> Emily- Not so much a beer maker as a wine connoisseur. But she has a
> remarkable ability to deconstruct the different influences and notes
in
> a given wine. Very much an up and comer in this world.
>
> Edg – His beer appears to have been pulled off the market except
for
> brief appearances. But it is always an enjoyable potpourri whenever it
> does appear. That is, with exception of a certain Texas brew. Word i

[FairfieldLife] Re: "Earnest Confusion" to Steve

[seventhray27]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn 
wrote:
>
> Steve. Â You've been movin' forward on the humor front of late -
some good posts. Â Thanks for the effort on this - very sweet. Â
>
> I've spent some of this evening reading on the Connecticut tragedy.
 I simply cannot get over that the mother was a gun collector and
knew she had a mentally ill son. Â Not that that would have made a
difference - but it certainly made it easier than it had to be.

Somehow that did make it a little easier.  But like you say, the
finality of it.

  Â All those kids, all those families, his family, Christmas, no way
to fix it, no way to make it better, ever. Â RIP. Â
>
>
> >
> > From: seventhray27 steve.sundur@...
> >To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> >Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 9:33 PM
> >Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Earnest Confusion" to Steve
> >
> >
> >Â
> >Thanks Share.  I wouldn't have expected to post so much these
past few months, but just worked out that way I guess.
> >Here's something IÂ came up with the other night when I couldn't
sleep.
> >Don't mean to offend anyone, (on what's turned out to be a
sad day)
> >Â There's been a lot of talk about craft beers here, and the other
night, having trouble sleeping I thought about what qualities of a craft
bear could be compared to a posting style.  I came up with some side
by side comparisons.  And as many posts contain insults, the
descriptions should also be viewed as applying to insult styles as well.
> >Ann â€" A relatively smooth concoction, but goes from sweet to
bitter and back again many times in a single pint, usually ending on a
mildly bitter note.
> >Alex â€" crisp and light, with emphasis on crisp.
> >Share â€" very smooth, but always with a strong finish.  (a
personal favorite of mine)
> >Raunchy â€" a true artisan, brewing a complex, original beer,
with a bitter, yet sweet characteristic throughout. Â The labels are
her bottles reflect well the flavor within. Â Said to be coming out
with a new brew called SOTTPS
> >Judy â€" At some point the fermentation process got messed
up.  It may be that power got cut to the cooling tanks.  A
result is a quite bitter concoction.  On the other hand, the
ingredient list on the bottle is impeccable, including the bottling
date, and origin and date of the harvest of the hops. The beer, in spite
of its flaws, retains a strong following.
> >Jim â€"Loves the King of Beers, Budweiser.  I think he just
likes the idea of "King" (-: Â Recently started brewing in a second
venue.  The beer in the previous venue was getting a little stale
beer it is said.  Word is that they weren't really drinking much
beer, but rather spending a lot of time talking about the attributes of
different beers.
> >Laughinggull â€" Is it really beer she is brewing, or just a
fizzy, sparkling beverage? Â The jury is out on that, but it always
tickles the insides.
> >Curtis â€" An extraordinary brewer.  It seems his
concoctions draw outsize attention from beer critics.  He is
regularly accused of blasphemy in regards to the higher origins of the
product.  And yet his critics have a difficult time making their
accusations stick, as he seems to have thought through the origins,
development, and final disposition of the product better than most
people would expect.
> >Nablusoss â€" The beer he brews is quite bitter. 
Occasionally some sweetness may creep in, even if by mistake, but it
greatly enhances the drinkability when that happens.
> >Irantea â€" A good honest brew.  Dark and rich in the true
Bavarian Tradition.
> >Susan â€" Has what we used to refer to  as 3/2 beer. 
Mild, and not much buzz but an alcohol beverage nonetheless.
> >Xeno - A decent, but basically non alcoholic brew.  On the other
hand, the highly technical brewing process as outlined on the bottle has
generated a respectable following.
> >Ravi - Wy too much fermentation going on with this brew. In fact
his brew requires special plastic packaging as the concoction keeps
leaking from the bottle. And the beer itself? Rather unique, but once
you get used to the pungent aroma from the leaking yeast, it is not that
bad. The brew definitely has its adherents, but it is an acquired taste.
> >Barry â€" A strong masculine beer. So strong in fact that one
often gags on it.  Men have a little better time with it, but most
woman just cannot handle those stout overtones and usually just spit it
out.  He is said to be trying to come up with concoction with just a
tad more sweetness, but the beer drinking community seems skeptical on
this point.
> >Robin â€" A complicated brew.  The final note never seems to
end.  Plus, he says it is beer, but much of the time it tastes like
malt liquor.  The label doesn't help much in that regard.  The
rumor is that he plans to get some brewing tips from monks to help him
come up with something which can positively be identified as to what
type of beverage it is.
> >Emily- Not so much a beer 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Earnest Confusion" to Steve

[Ravi Chivukula]

On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 9:56 PM, Emily Reyn  wrote:

> I've spent some of this evening reading on the Connecticut tragedy.  I
> simply cannot get over that the mother was a gun collector and knew she had
> a mentally ill son.  Not that that would have made a difference - but it
> certainly made it easier than it had to be.  All those kids, all those
> families, his family, Christmas, no way to fix it, no way to make it
> better, ever.  RIP.


Yeah - very sickening.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Earnest Confusion" to Steve

[Emily Reyn]

I know a family dealing with a violent son with mental health issues - their 
story is so difficult.  There aren't enough resources, a lot of the resources 
aren't any good, and medications have side effects.  And I don't care what 
anyone says, but I am all for gun control in big way.  



>
> From: seventhray27 
>To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
>Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 10:04 PM
>Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Earnest Confusion" to Steve
> 
>
>  
>
>--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn  wrote:
>>
>> Steve.  You've been movin' forward on the humor front of late - some good 
>> posts.  Thanks for the effort on this - very sweet.  
>> 
>> I've spent some of this evening reading on the Connecticut tragedy.  I 
>> simply cannot get over that the mother was a gun collector and knew she had 
>> a mentally ill son.  Not that that would have made a difference - but it 
>> certainly made it easier than it had to be.
>Somehow that did make it a little easier.  But like you say, the finality of 
>it.
> Â All those kids, all those families, his family, Christmas, no way to fix 
>it, no way to make it better, ever.  RIP.  
>> 
>> 
>> >
>> > From: seventhray27 steve.sundur@...
>> >To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
>> >Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 9:33 PM
>> >Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Earnest Confusion" to Steve
>> > 
>> >
>> >  
>> >Thanks Share.  I wouldn't have expected to post so much these past few 
>> >months, but just worked out that way I guess.
>> >Here's something I came up with the other night when I couldn't sleep.
>> >Don't mean to offend anyone, (on what's turned out to be a sad day)
>> > There's been a lot of talk about craft beers here, and the other night, 
>> >having trouble sleeping I thought about what qualities of a craft bear 
>> >could be compared to a posting style.  I came up with some side by side 
>> >comparisons.  And as many posts contain insults, the descriptions should 
>> >also be viewed as applying to insult styles as well. 
>> >Ann â€" A relatively smooth concoction, but goes from sweet to bitter and 
>> >back again many times in a single pint, usually ending on a mildly bitter 
>> >note.
>> >Alex â€" crisp and light, with emphasis on crisp.
>> >Share â€" very smooth, but always with a strong finish.  (a personal 
>> >favorite of mine)
>> >Raunchy â€" a true artisan, brewing a complex, original beer, with a 
>> >bitter, yet sweet characteristic throughout.  The labels are her bottles 
>> >reflect well the flavor within.  Said to be coming out with a new brew 
>> >called SOTTPS
>> >Judy â€" At some point the fermentation process got messed up.  It may be 
>> >that power got cut to the cooling tanks.  A result is a quite bitter 
>> >concoction.  On the other hand, the ingredient list on the bottle is 
>> >impeccable, including the bottling date, and origin and date of the harvest 
>> >of the hops. The beer, in spite of its flaws, retains a strong following.
>> >Jim â€"Loves the King of Beers, Budweiser.  I think he just likes the idea 
>> >of "King" (-:  Recently started brewing in a second venue.  The beer in 
>> >the previous venue was getting a little stale beer it is said.  Word is 
>> >that they weren't really drinking much beer, but rather spending a lot of 
>> >time talking about the attributes of different beers.
>> >Laughinggull â€" Is it really beer she is brewing, or just a fizzy, 
>> >sparkling beverage?  The jury is out on that, but it always tickles the 
>> >insides. 
>> >Curtis â€" An extraordinary brewer.  It seems his concoctions draw outsize 
>> >attention from beer critics.  He is regularly accused of blasphemy in 
>> >regards to the higher origins of the product.  And yet his critics have a 
>> >difficult time making their accusations stick, as he seems to have thought 
>> >through the origins, development, and final disposition of the product 
>> >better than most people would expect.
>> >Nablusoss â€" The beer he brews is quite bitter.  Occasionally some 
>> >sweetness may creep in, even if by mistake, but it greatly enhances the 
>> >drinkability when that happens.
>> >Irantea â€" A good honest brew.  Dark and rich in the true Bavarian 
>> >Tradition.
>> >Susan â€" Has what we used to refer to  as 3/2 beer.  Mild, and not much 
>> >buzz but an alcohol beverage nonetheless.
>> >Xeno - A decent, but basically non alcoholic brew.  On the other hand, the 
>> >highly technical brewing process as outlined on the bottle has generated a 
>> >respectable following.
>> >Ravi - Wy too much fermentation going on with this brew. In fact his 
>> >brew requires special plastic packaging as the concoction keeps leaking 
>> >from the bottle. And the beer itself? Rather unique, but once you get used 
>> >to the pungent aroma from the leaking yeast, it is not that bad. The brew 
>> >definitely has its adherents, but it is an acquired taste. 
>> >Barry â€"

[FairfieldLife] Re: Sthapatya Veda is just a Placebo Effect

[salyavin808]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon  wrote:
>
> Placebo. Nice way to look at it. I always thought of it as the carrot and the 
> stick. M always needed a way to keep people interested in the movement and 
> gaining enlightenment. At first it was the 5-8 year plan, then rounding 
> courses, then age of enlightenment courses, then Sidhis, then ayurveda, 
> jyotish,yagyas and then he says * if I had this knowledge(SV) we would be 
> through.*He always found a way to keep the TBs thinking *it* was just around 
> the corner. The Gita clearly says *only after many life times of this 
> practice does one come to Me*. Of course ,that was explained away as *Life 
> times* just meant, each time you transcended. Why wouldn't Krishna have put 
> it that way in the first place? One story in one of the Upanishads tells of a 
> Devotee of a great Guru who asked *how many more life times will it take for 
> me to become enlightened?* The master said as many births as there are on 
> that tree, pointing to an enormous banyan tree with tens of thousands
>  of leaves. The devotee felt enormous relief knowing his births could be 
> counted.

The last thing Marshy wanted people to change that, apparently, was holding 
back the glorious day of personal enlightenment, was exposure
to electromagnetic fields. A purusha friend of mine at Vlodrop was even 
carrying around an electric field meter everywhere he went to see what "damage" 
it was doing to himself and everyone else. 

Mobile and wireless phones, wi-fi, and that nasty AC current is all that's 
keeping us back now. Basically you need to live in a cave.


> 
>  From: Michael Jackson 
> To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
> Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 3:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Sthapatya Veda is just a Placebo Effect
>
>    
>  
> I can't argue with any of that!
> 
>  
> 
> 
>  From: allanrosenzweig 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 4:14 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Sthapatya Veda is just a Placebo Effect
>
>   
> It is sorry to see people in Skelmersdale working to make a whole new 
> Sthapatya-vedic village, wasting all the effort to build a community, 
> including a Golden Dome, with the idea that much good will come of it.  We 
> all want to believe that Maharishi is 100% correct.  But we have also seen 
> Veda Land fail, Deepak Chopra going off on his own, tallest building in the 
> world in the center of India, and other failed projects and mistakes.  We 
> tend to forget about these. He does not have to be 100% correct to be the 
> wisest man on Earth.  90%, or even 80%, is still WAY above everyone else.  If 
> the Brits are looking to Fairfield Iowa as an example of SV "success" think 
> again.  Telegroup was doing fine, as one of the top 1% of American 
> businesses, until they established their headquarters in a new SV building.  
> They not only did NOT succeed, they started going  bankrupt.  Telegroup went 
> from hiring over 400 employees, to hiring zero - even though it is in an
>  industry that has flourished, telecommunications. Same with Global Link, and 
> other companies in Fairfield that put their faith in SV.  MUM tore down about 
> 15 "pod" dormitories that were in good shape because the were not SV.  They 
> had to have a fund raiser to tear them down.  There was no massive influx of 
> students - mainly visa seeking foreign students who don't seem to really care 
> about the meditation.  There is not enough housing, so many have to live off 
> campus, and tend to be less on the program.  It would have been better to 
> keep the pods, and get the revenue for the rooms for the students. There is 
> not enough money to build replacement housing.  There are just empty fields 
> there.  If something is going to work, it will show results.  We have given 
> SV about 20 years to show that it works.  There is not a single scientific 
> article published about it, much less its success.   People would have 
> noticed, in thousands of years, if facing east really
>  brought success or if south did not.  When does the Sun go from being good 
> at sunrise in the east to being bad around noon in the south?  The whole 
> sun-based "logic" is not internally consistent.  SV is just a placebo effect. 
>  If you think it works, it does.  If you don't think it works, you are also 
> right.  Skelmersdale, save your time and money.  Build on what you have 
> already achieved.  Maharishi's TM, TM-Sidhis Program, and Super Radiance do 
> work, and have scientific research behind them. Sadly SV does not work.  We 
> should face the truth and judge knowledge by its fruits.   --- In 
> mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote: 
> > > Quite simply you don't know what you are talking about - as to feng shui, 
> even a cursory examination of the multitude of feng shui resources will show 
> that in feng shui sout