[FairfieldLife] Re: China Opens the Longest Rail Line in the World
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Those pictures of Chinese people young and old, male and female practicing qigong all together outside. I think they lead such healthy, simply lives. That's what I mean by dharmic and I think it can be expressed in many ways. But in this case I was replying to John's question about support of Nature and the herculean task of completing the railway. Pretty big jumps of logic and observation here. As I understand it, you have concluded, from seeing some pictures of a few Chinese people doing 'energy work' in the form of Qigong, that they therefore lead simple and healthy lives so therefore China as a country will succeed in building a high speed railway. Er, OK then, got it. From: Ann awoelflebater@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2012 8:58 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: China Opens the Longest Rail Line in the World  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: I get the impression that lots of Chinese people live quite dharmic lives.àI think that would give support of Nature. Hi Share, I don't understand what you mean here. What is a 'dharmic life', what gives you that impression and how does support of nature result, what form would it take (a high speed railway)? From: John jr_esq@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2012 3:42 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] China Opens the Longest Rail Line in the World àThis is an amazing accomplishment of their communist government. As such, we wonder how were they able to get the support of Nature to complete this herculean task. http://origin-www.livemint.com/Politics/5jyJk7Ekgfz4jEiQjoi60L/China-to-open-worlds-longest-highspeed-rail-line.html?facet=print
[FairfieldLife] Re: Moderators, pls. sanction this poster
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: Ann asked me a question but you are trying to fault me for some thing - I bet if I had always made I am a Marshy junkie and he was een-lite-ened and could NEVER do no wrong and all the people who say so are rakshasas like you have, you would have no problem with the exchange between Ann and myself. Don't worry MJ, Bucko was trying to get ME in trouble, not you and Nabby has gotten confused somewhere. I'll take full responsibility here for mentioning a name from MIU back in the 70's of someone who was a straight, female student at the time. But it appears we are the 'victims' of sloppy reading - among other things. From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2012 4:34 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Moderators, pls. sanction this poster  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Dear FFL moderators, would you please go in and excise this post (330685) from the FFL archive. The writer had no business using someone's private name in a post like this here. Had the writer had more sense she certainly could have discreetly sent an iquiry directly to Jack and not outed the person publicly on an internet forum. This is extremely bad form. Agreed. If Mr. Jackson must take a shit why can't he do in the privy, why here ? I suppose those things never learnt as a young person is difficult to do as grown up. Git rid of the post and the ban the author for complete breach of guideline. This is extremely bad. Thank you, -Buck http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/330685
[FairfieldLife] Re: China Opens the Longest Rail Line in the World
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: You see?  You understand the method to the madness.  Oh Em, it is actually quite comical on one level. Let me see if I can describe it. The thinking, the explaining has these monster gaps that you find yourself, as the reader, leaping over and accepting until you pull yourself up short at some point and say, Hey, wait a minute, I'm not going to continue to leap over these crevasses of logic here. And then you realize the conversation consists of these unrelated statements that finally end up with some mind boggling conclusion - ill thought out and apropos of nothing discernible, try as you might. Example: Practicing qigong is dharmic so will lead to support of nature (whatever that is) which will in turn build a very fast railroad which in turn is based on having seen some pictures of Chinese people in National Geographic. From: Ann awoelflebater@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2012 1:21 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: China Opens the Longest Rail Line in the World  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Those pictures of Chinese people young and old, male and female practicing qigong all together outside.àI think they lead such healthy, simply lives.àThat's what I mean by dharmic and I think it can be expressed in many ways.àBut in this case I was replying to John's question about support of Nature and the herculean task of completing the railway. Pretty big jumps of logic and observation here. As I understand it, you have concluded, from seeing some pictures of a few Chinese people doing 'energy work' in the form of Qigong, that they therefore lead simple and healthy lives so therefore China as a country will succeed in building a high speed railway. Er, OK then, got it. From: Ann awoelflebater@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2012 8:58 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: China Opens the Longest Rail Line in the World à--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: I get the impression that lots of Chinese people live quite dharmic lives.ÃâàI think that would give support of Nature. Hi Share, I don't understand what you mean here. What is a 'dharmic life', what gives you that impression and how does support of nature result, what form would it take (a high speed railway)? From: John jr_esq@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2012 3:42 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] China Opens the Longest Rail Line in the World ÃâàThis is an amazing accomplishment of their communist government. As such, we wonder how were they able to get the support of Nature to complete this herculean task. http://origin-www.livemint.com/Politics/5jyJk7Ekgfz4jEiQjoi60L/China-to-open-worlds-longest-highspeed-rail-line.html?facet=print
[FairfieldLife] Re: Moderators, pls. sanction this poster
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: I also note that you ignored my response to merudanda's post snip I usually avoid reading your posts as I am not in favor of fellows that repeatedly puke in a public forum. Oh, stop it, Nabby. This is really STOOPID. He made a perfectly reasonable inquiry, one I might have made. And generally speaking, his complaints here aren't any more offensively phrased than most here and are considerably less offensive than some. If you have a substantial response, make it, don't just call names. What you've said to him is far more offensive than anything he's said.
[FairfieldLife] Re: China Opens the Longest Rail Line in the World
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: You see?  You understand the method to the madness.  Oh Em, it is actually quite comical on one level. Let me see if I can describe it. The thinking, the explaining has these monster gaps that you find yourself, as the reader, leaping over and accepting until you pull yourself up short at some point and say, Hey, wait a minute, I'm not going to continue to leap over these crevasses of logic here. And then you realize the conversation consists of these unrelated statements that finally end up with some mind boggling conclusion - ill thought out and apropos of nothing discernible, try as you might. Example: Practicing qigong is dharmic so will lead to support of nature (whatever that is) which will in turn build a very fast railroad which in turn is based on having seen some pictures of Chinese people in National Geographic. Hi Em Ann. Merry Christmas! And you too, Judy and Sista Obba. I had a great Christmas. Santa got me tickets to see The Book of Mormon Feb 3rd. It's playing in Des Moines for ten days. I'm stoked. Ann, let me explain something to you. It's dharmic to glaze a Christmas ham so that your family's digestion gets nature support (whatever that means). Before a ham becomes a ham, it's a pig based on pictures revealing some leg in National Geographic. I hope that clears things up and we're still friends. Thank God someone's making sense around here. http://us.123rf.com/400wm/400/400/caraman/caraman0605/caraman060500167/402799-christmas-ham.jpg From: Ann awoelflebater@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2012 1:21 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: China Opens the Longest Rail Line in the World  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Those pictures of Chinese people young and old, male and female practicing qigong all together outside.àI think they lead such healthy, simply lives.àThat's what I mean by dharmic and I think it can be expressed in many ways.àBut in this case I was replying to John's question about support of Nature and the herculean task of completing the railway. Pretty big jumps of logic and observation here. As I understand it, you have concluded, from seeing some pictures of a few Chinese people doing 'energy work' in the form of Qigong, that they therefore lead simple and healthy lives so therefore China as a country will succeed in building a high speed railway. Er, OK then, got it. From: Ann awoelflebater@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2012 8:58 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: China Opens the Longest Rail Line in the World à--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: I get the impression that lots of Chinese people live quite dharmic lives.ÃâàI think that would give support of Nature. Hi Share, I don't understand what you mean here. What is a 'dharmic life', what gives you that impression and how does support of nature result, what form would it take (a high speed railway)? From: John jr_esq@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2012 3:42 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] China Opens the Longest Rail Line in the World ÃâàThis is an amazing accomplishment of their communist government. As such, we wonder how were they able to get the support of Nature to complete this herculean task. http://origin-www.livemint.com/Politics/5jyJk7Ekgfz4jEiQjoi60L/China-to-open-worlds-longest-highspeed-rail-line.html?facet=print
[FairfieldLife] Re: Moderators, pls. sanction this poster
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: The whole purpose of life is to gain enlightenment. Nothing else is significant compared to that completely natural, exalted state of consciousness. So always strive for that. Set your life around that goal. Don't get caught up in small things, and then it will be yours. Maharishi Mahesh Yogi If it's so natural how come we aren't born enlightened or can't get to enlightenment easily, if at all, can't prove when someone's enlightened, don't all strive to reach this exalted state? Answer me Buck baby, even if I am a cretinous heathen. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: Bad boy,nabby. *spank Bad boy. *spank. LOL. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: I also note that you ignored my response to merudanda's post snip I usually avoid reading your posts as I am not in favor of fellows that repeatedly puke in a public forum. Oh, stop it, Nabby. This is really STOOPID. He made a perfectly reasonable inquiry, one I might have made. And generally speaking, his complaints here aren't any more offensively phrased than most here and are considerably less offensive than some. If you have a substantial response, make it, don't just call names. What you've said to him is far more offensive than anything he's said.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Same Sex Marriage Is a Crime Against Humanity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card cardemaister@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: A Cameroon archbishop stated so. http://news.yahoo.com/cameroon-archbishop-calls-same-sex-marriage-crime-against-164343932.html FWIW, http://news.yahoo.com/penguins-explicit-sex-acts-shocked-polar-explorer-125137476.html Card, Penguins are animals and operate under raw natural instincts. They don't have the capacity to make moral judgements. It is also important to note that the observer's/scientist's/explorer's ability to figure out what he was seeing when he was watching the penguins and to have enough knowledge to interpret what the birds were up to, as well as to put it into a context that incorporated the known reasons for wildlife to do what they do, is vital. There was a mention in the article about the natural instinct of the male penguin to be attracted to submissive females and dying or injured female birds would fall into this category. With horses, the mare will only allow a stallion to mount her if she is ovulating, no other time and that is only about 3-4 days a month. Nature has designed it so that the only time a mare will have sex is when she is likely to get pregnant. If that poor stallion tries any funny business any other time he will meet with violent failure! It is most likely the case for these birds as well. So, although mating with an injured or dying or dead bird appears aberrational it is most likely a function of seeking submissive mates because submissive birds are fertile birds.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Happy Christmas FFL
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: Oh quitcherbitchen, Barry. If you want to leave, leave. No bitching, and no leaving. I'll still browse the place from time to time, because there ARE still a few people here who occasionally post something worth reading and who from time to time post something worth replying to. Suffice it to say that they're the ones in the last of the following hopefully-helpful-to-newbies categories: :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) Not smart enough to answer the question, How do you spell IQ? - Nabby - John (jr_esq) - Share - obbajeeba - oxcart - srijau I.R.S. Agents (Irrelevant, Repetitive, and Soporific) - Emily - Ravi - Willytex (Richard Williams) Not terribly bright attention sluts, and mean when they don't get the attention they seek: - Ann - Doctordumbass/Jim - Bob Price I see I'm in excellent company, no complaints here. I'm assuming Barry has his own category or else he has obviously fallen into the the Just Fine group. Hee, hee, how I love to watch humans, they are almost as interesting as penguins. Some primitive intelligence, but so stuck in control freak/attention vampire/self-importance/meanness mode that they've allowed it to atrophy: - Robin - Judy - Raunchydog So crazy he requires his own category: - Buck Just fine: - Everybody else (unless I forgot to diss someone who was feeling neglected over the holidays...if you feel in need of a holiday diss, speak up) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: I love the man from Holland (was Happy Christmas FFL)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: On 12/27/2012 01:48 PM, Emily Reyn wrote: OMG...look what we have to suffer through. This is so soporific. Barry, please move Bob, at the very least, or Robin (whoever the hell this post is from - you can figure it out, smart fellow that you are) to the category with Ravi and I (and that weird guy Willy). Buck should remain in a category by himself. Now, for you Barry, because I love you too, is a cute JRT story. We bought the little dog a couple of presents...a squirrel and a small squeaky football. My older daughter, unbeknownst to me, wrapped them and hid them under the tree. I was up late, as usual, wrapping presents on Christmas Eve and again Christmas morning. When I was out of the room on Christmas morn, little dog, sneaky dog that she is, politely rummaged through the presents. I walked in to see her sitting on the couch (on her towel) with her squirrel in front of her and the wrapping paper off to the side, looking expectantly up at me. The ball was nearby, half-unwrapped. Can you believe that she only pulled her own presents out? What a smart dog, what a polite dog, what a festive dog. If my kids hadn't absconded with my camera charger, or if I had a smart phone, I would have taken a picture and posted it for you. I think I should train this one for movies. She should earn her keep and save me from my fate in the workforce. Although, turns out a cousin of my ex's worked in Dubai the last two years and if I didn't have a teenager and a little dog, I would put forth great effort to work there. Very multicultural. The police drive Mercedes Benz's. He loved it...he made lots of moneyhe said he'd hook me up. He made 3.5 times what he would have made here in the U.S. Options, man, options. My sister had a Yorkshire terrier that could find her own presents under the tree. We thought it might be the rubber in the toys. I think it might have to do with the dog feeling the intention of the person who wrapped their gifts. Those people who are the kind of dog lovers who not only buy but wrap their dog's gifts have some mighty strong loves vibes going on, it gets into the wrapping paper you know. Would you agree Share?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Moderators, pls. sanction this poster
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: synonyms for thesaurus: glossary, language reference book, lexicon, onomasticon, reference book, sourcebook, storehouse of words, terminology, treasury of words, vocabulary, word list My favorite is onomasticon. Your favourite what? From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2012 8:07 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Moderators, pls. sanction this poster  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, azgrey no_reply@ wrote: In all seriousness, though, I can't believe you're fixated on a stupid little rule on FFL when there's the very real homosexual menace that truly threatens to wipe out all of humanity. http://s1143.beta.photobucket.com/user/azgrey/media/trannysaurus_zpse9b8e2e2.jpg.html I dunno... that comic is kinda dumb, but I keep going back and giggling at it. It's also appropriate, given recent news. The Trannysaurus probably went extinct the same way the Brontosaurus did, by never existing: http://www.npr.org/2012/12/09/15795/forget-extinct-the-brontosaurus-never-even-existed I get a kick out of dinosaurs and dinosaur trivia because I live with a not-quite-four-years-old kid who can identify, call by name, and spell the names of more dinosaurs than most high school science teachers. She's a real dino nut. Other little-known dinosaurs: H. That reminds me. What's another word for thesaurus? :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: had any lately ha ha
There is something way oversimplified in your definition of 'support of nature' for me Share. First of all, to believe there is such a thing we have to imagine ourselves somehow in the center of things, we have to be a bit egocentric. For example, for you to believe that somehow this large weather system 'waited' for you to leave FF is putting a whole lot of importance on who you are and what you do. You also have to assume that by not getting caught in the storm this was somehow a good thing. In addition, you would have to believe that 'nature' is operating primarily with you in mind (the egocentric part of the equation) but what about all the other individuals on the planet that this event (of the storm) impacted negatively? Did they somehow not garner the same support that you did and why? What did you do to earn this support of nature? Meditate? Fly? Wear the right clothing? Eat the appropriate foods? Have you considered that if you had been waylaid in your exiting FF by the snow something really astoundingly wonderful and life transformative could have happened instead and that, in fact, you escaping FF before the storm hit was actually a bad thing because of what you missed if you had been marooned there? In other words, you interpreted your having got out of FF before the storm hit as support of nature when in fact maybe it was one of the most unfortunate things that ever happened to you. Maybe if you had been trapped by the weather, never got home for Christmas, you would be enlightened by now, or met the man of your dreams or discovered the alchemical formula to make gold. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Not THAT any! Had any support of Nature lately? Emily asked about support of Nature and I was thinking about it and feeling befuddled. Realized that I tend to agree with Ken Keyes idea that everything in life is either for our growth or for our enjoyment. I'd add that ideally everything is for both growth and enjoyment but with leaning at least a little in the enjoyment direction. So in this very broad sense support of Nature is always happening. Anyway, I don't think this is precisely what Maharishi means by support of Nature. What do you TMers current and ex think, especially you govs? Very especially you former TTC teachers. We know who you are! For me an example of support of Nature is that I left FF on a Wednesday and the first big snow of the season arrived the next day. But I bet you very creative FFLers can come up with way more fun examples than that (-:
[FairfieldLife] Re: Landfill Harmonic
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: Call me crazy, but I find this news from Paraguay far more inspiring and uplifting than any of the news of the supposed TM Mayan event. The latter requires you to believe that some or *any* of the Woo Woo surround- ing the prophecies actually had some truth or meaning to it. The former (this project, the documentary about it, and the concept itself) requires only that we believe in the ability of the human spirit to find beauty in anything. http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2012/12/28/landfill_harmonic_recycled_orchestra_movie_trailer_tells_incredible_story.html LOVED THIS UTTERLY AND COMPLETELY.
[FairfieldLife] Re: had any lately ha ha
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: There is something way oversimplified in your definition of 'support of nature' for me Share. First of all, to believe there is such a thing we have to imagine ourselves somehow in the center of things, we have to be a bit egocentric. For example, for you to believe that somehow this large weather system 'waited' for you to leave FF is putting a whole lot of importance on who you are and what you do. You also have to assume that by not getting caught in the storm this was somehow a good thing. In addition, you would have to believe that 'nature' is operating primarily with you in mind (the egocentric part of the equation) but what about all the other individuals on the planet that this event (of the storm) impacted negatively? Did they somehow not garner the same support that you did and why? What did you do to earn this support of nature? Meditate? Fly? Wear the right clothing? Eat the appropriate foods? Have you considered that if you had been waylaid in your exiting FF by the snow something really astoundingly wonderful and life transformative could have happened instead and that, in fact, you escaping FF before the storm hit was actually a bad thing because of what you missed if you had been marooned there? In other words, you interpreted your having got out of FF before the storm hit as support of nature when in fact maybe it was one of the most unfortunate things that ever happened to you. Maybe if you had been trapped by the weather, never got home for Christmas, you would be enlightened by now, or met the man of your dreams or discovered the alchemical formula to make gold. Whatever the vicissitudes of life's circumstances, cause and effect in the field of karma is unfathomable or maybe Share had a lucky coin that dropped in the right slot at the right time. No need to place woo woo on a mundane event in one's life. Just be glad you're not an unlucky traveler stuck in the snow. IMO a working definition of Support of Nature is good luck. In Jyotish parlance, it's a well aspected 9th house. Robin might call it grace. Ann, those lucky days where everything seems to go flawlessly, without a hitch, where one feels, in sync, in harmony with all that is, where one's efforts are effortless, or the laws of nature rush to support you, as Maharishi would say, what would you call such days? I don't classify days that way. I don't really think of days as having a string of 'fortunate' or 'unfortunate' sequences of events. It doesn't seem like 'things' happening are external to me. I am very much a part of what happens to me and what those things are seem bound up to me in some way that is external but part of a whole. Some events are definitely more pleasant than others or less frustrating but it is kind of like being part of a body of water that is all around me, carrying me along, pummelling me into the beach sometimes or lifting me up for a great body surf at others but for me it is more that I am part of this energy flow. Not to sound too esoteric here but when things feel seamless and pleasant it is as if I am going with the current as opposed to fighting against it. Events of nature aren't separate from me in that way that I could say I have support of the laws of nature or not. I have had experiences of grace, for sure, and the forces that came into play during those times were definitely outside, separate from myself. Many times these moments of grace were in the form of 'saving' me from some injury or physical danger. I know these times were some sort of divine intervention. But I don't think weather systems or other large natural phenomena are somehow connected to helping or serving just me. No, it is all much smaller than that, little effects that others might not notice but that have been the difference between life and death, or at least grievous injury to me. For me, nature is God, it is personal - even the hard stuff. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Not THAT any! Had any support of Nature lately? Emily asked about support of Nature and I was thinking about it and feeling befuddled. Realized that I tend to agree with Ken Keyes idea that everything in life is either for our growth or for our enjoyment. I'd add that ideally everything is for both growth and enjoyment but with leaning at least a little in the enjoyment direction. So in this very broad sense support of Nature is always happening. Anyway, I don't think this is precisely what Maharishi means by support of Nature. What do you TMers current and ex think, especially you govs? Very especially you former TTC teachers. We know who you are! For me an example of support
[FairfieldLife] Re: What is the TMO's concept of 'Heaven on Earth'?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: From: feste37 feste37@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2012 4:38 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: What is the TMO's concept of 'Heaven on Earth'? Â Where does the TM movement say pay no attention to what reality actually is? It's all in the heads of spiritually lazy and (therefore) disappointed posters here who loves to have someone ELSE to blame. Even if you don't like or agree with what MJ has to say you have to give him this: he is consistent in his viewpoint, spent enough time around MIU and the movement to be qualified to say his piece and finally, that he is a fighter with lots of gumption. He knows what he says will not change anyone's mind, he knows he will be censured for his viewpoints but he is willing to get out there and present them anyway. That counts for a lot in my book whether I agree with MJ or not. I admire his spirit and his willingness to come under fire irrespective of his viewpoints. Quality of the human being first, what he believes second.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lincoln
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, srijau@... no_reply@... wrote: PVR Narasimha Rao says that it looks like Lincoln is re-incarnated right now based on the birth chart of a well-known individual but I would imagine that person does not know it or believe it himself. So then what does it matter? My God, some of you live in a dream world. Assertions are made and not a hope in Hell of proving anything. Lincoln one day, some bum the next. All in a day's work. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Scorsese in his commentary on Gangs of New York talked about Lincoln not being a popular as our school history books would have made out. Some of those facts come out in the film. Similarly his HBO series Boardwalk Empire mirrors much of the corruption we see in modern day politics. I'll get around to seeing Lincoln probably the way I watched The Dark Night Rises on Bluray as I did last night. First off I was pissed that the was mostly 16:9 instead of 2:35:1. Gives me pause to ever rent another WB title again. Second, the story seemed to telegraph to the audience that it is bad to go up against the rich and be for the people. That seemed to be some social engineering that wasn't needed. Afterward I found a Netflix indie to wash my palette. The incarnation of Lincoln is today a highly developed individual living in Washington DC were he works for the government. I wouldn't be surprised if Scorsese, a long-time TM meditator, interviewed Lincoln.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lincoln
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, srijau@ no_reply@ wrote: PVR Narasimha Rao says that it looks like Lincoln is re-incarnated right now based on the birth chart of a well-known individual but I would imagine that person does not know it or believe it himself. So then what does it matter? Who says it matters ? Who says, you ask? Why, the people who take the time and trouble to conjecture on such things obviously think it matters. Seems a complete waste of time to me. No one could ever prove something like this and even if someone was Lincoln in one life it has no bearing on who they are currently, what they remember, what they will do in this new body. How does one possibly come up with these theories anyway? Much better to figure out who we are in this lifetime since there isn't even a way to prove we live multiple, reincarnated lives and all we really have is the 'what's happenin' now'. It never ceases to astound me the things people think up to spend their time pursuing. Lincoln, my ass. It's a simply fact that people die and later gets a new body. Same will happen to you, so make hay when the sun shines :-) My God, some of you live in a dream world. Assertions are made and not a hope in Hell of proving anything. Lincoln one day, some bum the next. All in a day's work. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Scorsese in his commentary on Gangs of New York talked about Lincoln not being a popular as our school history books would have made out. Some of those facts come out in the film. Similarly his HBO series Boardwalk Empire mirrors much of the corruption we see in modern day politics. I'll get around to seeing Lincoln probably the way I watched The Dark Night Rises on Bluray as I did last night. First off I was pissed that the was mostly 16:9 instead of 2:35:1. Gives me pause to ever rent another WB title again. Second, the story seemed to telegraph to the audience that it is bad to go up against the rich and be for the people. That seemed to be some social engineering that wasn't needed. Afterward I found a Netflix indie to wash my palette. The incarnation of Lincoln is today a highly developed individual living in Washington DC were he works for the government. I wouldn't be surprised if Scorsese, a long-time TM meditator, interviewed Lincoln.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jews and Black Death! to Eye Roller in Holland
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Get over it Eye Roller in Holland! By which I mean, get over my twiffy way of being on FFL. So what if I don't automatically think to google monotheism? So what if I'd rather ask a question? Maybe it's a female thing. No my dear, don't for one minute lump me in there with you.  A comment which itself might cause piling on (-: Anyway, of course you snipped the rest of my post which I thought was a good question about even supposedly religious conflicts actually being economic ones in reality.  Bah humbug to you and your snipping!  Share, you think in a very simplistic way. You appear to want to dabble in a hundred things that ultimately don't matter yet refuse to take the time and effort to learn about and investigate those things that could actually be significant. Perhaps you need to get your head out of the clouds and put your feet back on the planet. I have to (gasp) agree with Barry here. Eye rolling (and snorting) in Victoria. OTOH maybe that's YOUR way of being on FFL and I need to get over it ha ha. From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 6:52 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jews and Black Death!  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Hi Mike, why do you think that [hatred of Jews] happened? I'm wondering if they were the first group to espouse the idea of one God rather than many gods. Could that have been the reason? Share, I sometimes feel the need to step in when people pile onto you, but PLEASE don't make it so difficult to do so by saying things as ignorant as this. Your wondering could have been ended with one click: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monotheism It is difficult for me to *believe* that anyone could be so uneducated as to think that monotheism started with Jews. It is even more difficult to believe that anyone with access to the Internet and having the ability to read would display such ignorance and then ask other people to comment on it as if it were a valid assumption. Does being this much of a twif actually *work* for you in Fairfield? Do people there really have standards so low that you can get away with saying stuff like this? Rolling my eyes in Holland...
[FairfieldLife] Re: What is the TMO's concept of 'Heaven on Earth'?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: From: feste37 feste37@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2012 4:38 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: What is the TMO's concept of 'Heaven on Earth'? Â Where does the TM movement say pay no attention to what reality actually is? It's all in the heads of spiritually lazy and (therefore) disappointed posters here who loves to have someone ELSE to blame. Even if you don't like or agree with what MJ has to say you have to give him this: he is consistent in his viewpoint, spent enough time around MIU and the movement to be qualified to say his piece and finally, that he is a fighter with lots of gumption. He knows what he says will not change anyone's mind, he knows he will be censured for his viewpoints but he is willing to get out there and present them anyway. That counts for a lot in my book whether I agree with MJ or not. I admire his spirit and his willingness to come under fire irrespective of his viewpoints. Quality of the human being first, what he believes second. Under fire and cencored by whom ? Gosh, lately you keep asking these questions that have obvious answers. But here is the answer just in case you actually need me to explain: MJ gets 'shit', censured, attacked, piled on (whatever term you want to use) by those who feel strongly about supporting the aspects of the TM movement that MJ tries to expose or speak out against. I am not saying he is some martyr or poor guy who can't handle it. I am making the point that he says what he feels IN SPITE of knowing there are many here who strongly disagree. This is no major revelation just an observation on my part. And, to reiterate, I like MJ for his persistence coupled with his credibility and consistency. It doesn't seem like anyone here gets terribly upset by his rants. We've seen it all before, you'll find disgrunteled former members of any organization everywhere. I know this. My point was not to highlight the fact that he riles some people, my comments were emphasizing the qualities I like about Michael. I wasn't talking about his dissenters but we can talk about you now if you like! Internet is full of them :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lincoln
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: Bbut...wha wha wha what if we had us some visions of our past lives? What do we think then? (Happened to me at MIU - he he!) That may be fine but just don't believe anyone else if they tell you they know what your past lives were. Or if they know that John Doe was Mussolini in their last life. Again, even if you have your own personal glimpses of what your former incarnations were, they are still unprovable but if that is what rocks your boat, imagine on! From: Ann awoelflebater@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 9:30 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lincoln  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, srijau@ no_reply@ wrote: PVR Narasimha Rao says that it looks like Lincoln is re-incarnated right now based on the birth chart of a well-known individual but I would imagine that person does not know it or believe it himself. So then what does it matter? Who says it matters ? Who says, you ask? Why, the people who take the time and trouble to conjecture on such things obviously think it matters. Seems a complete waste of time to me. No one could ever prove something like this and even if someone was Lincoln in one life it has no bearing on who they are currently, what they remember, what they will do in this new body. How does one possibly come up with these theories anyway? Much better to figure out who we are in this lifetime since there isn't even a way to prove we live multiple, reincarnated lives and all we really have is the 'what's happenin' now'. It never ceases to astound me the things people think up to spend their time pursuing. Lincoln, my ass. It's a simply fact that people die and later gets a new body. Same will happen to you, so make hay when the sun shines :-) My God, some of you live in a dream world. Assertions are made and not a hope in Hell of proving anything. Lincoln one day, some bum the next. All in a day's work. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Scorsese in his commentary on Gangs of New York talked about Lincoln not being a popular as our school history books would have made out. Some of those facts come out in the film. Similarly his HBO series Boardwalk Empire mirrors much of the corruption we see in modern day politics. I'll get around to seeing Lincoln probably the way I watched The Dark Night Rises on Bluray as I did last night. First off I was pissed that the was mostly 16:9 instead of 2:35:1. Gives me pause to ever rent another WB title again. Second, the story seemed to telegraph to the audience that it is bad to go up against the rich and be for the people. That seemed to be some social engineering that wasn't needed. Afterward I found a Netflix indie to wash my palette. The incarnation of Lincoln is today a highly developed individual living in Washington DC were he works for the government. I wouldn't be surprised if Scorsese, a long-time TM meditator, interviewed Lincoln.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung wrote: I know two of the Rajas -- worked for one for two years, knew the other via pot-lucks. Both millionaires AT BIRTH -- ¨ Oh dear, BY BIRTH ?? AND devotees of a Saint ??? Assholes, no doubt about it !! OK but what self-respecting person (are all Rajas men?!?!?! If so that could explain a few things) would be willing to go around dressed like THIS? To me, this says it all.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote: The TMO is in my opinion no more corrupt and awful (and no less) than any other spiritual organization or religion or cult in human history. this makes you sound kinda dumb...just sayin'... Not dumb, dear Doctor. Here is the key thing. Many people who appear the most bitter are those who spent the most time, invested much of themselves, in the Movement whether it was in in the form of years, sweat, dedication or belief. This was a cost on some level. When someone has put so much of themselves into something and found it, in the end, wanting it seems to me natural that there is disappointment, bitterness, a foundation for defining/revealing, what went wrong. It is never a valid excuse that something isn't wrong because it happens all the time. Frequency of transgression does not override the seriousness of it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74 mjackson74@ wrote: Now now! You don't wanna be accused of anger and resentment like me! You make good points - not being a teacher I had never heard of ATR credits being canceled but it doesn't surprise me, it is consistent with TM Movement behavior (oooh I'm bein' negative again!) I guess I was out of the TM loop for a long time as I was also unaware that local meditators had ever raised money to actually purchase a center which the Movement then had the teachers to sell. Never heard of that one, doesn't surprise me either. What is surprising is the reaction of those who have known of these things for many years -- or decades -- and found some way to EXCUSE them, or ignore them, or write them off as having no relationship to the overall message of TM and what it was all about. YOUR reaction is understandable -- delayed outrage. THEIRS is considerably less so. What IS it about some people that causes them to identify more with the organization that sold them their beliefs and protecting its rep at all costs than they do with determining the relative right and wrong of the actions that this organization performed *in their names*? I can't join you in your outrage because to be honest I am too far away from any identification with its source to give much of a shit. The TMO is in my opinion no more corrupt and awful (and no less) than any other spiritual organization or religion or cult in human history. They ALL did weird shit in the pursuance of what they believed to be Truth. They ALWAYS will. The only issue from my point of view is whether one is willing to climb on the bus and go with them as they act out the excuse-making and the rationalizations for behaviors that almost anyone would consider unethical, or whether one steps off the bus. Once you step off the bus, you really don't have as much allegiance to it as those who chose to ride it for *decades*, never once questioning where it was headed, or whether the driver was...uh...somewhat impaired behind the wheel. That's the position I find myself in with regard to TM and the TMO. For others, who hung in there longer, trying their best to find any way they could to continue believing, because to them that had been held up as the highest and noblest of all human endeavors, hearing things that upset their roman- ticized views of the bus they're on can be upsetting. As for Edg's first line below, I can only supply a similar sentiment from Voltaire: Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: Certainty is the drug addiction of the ego. But but but, though I personally cannot bear witness to any big crimes of the TMO, I can bear witness to having been told many many many stories about the movement's chicanery -- told by those who were in a position to know. Too many stories --at least some of them are/were true. Of course, let's point at the elephant under the rug: almost all the money the movement has collected has been disappeared into India -- Girish et alia. Talk about your crimes! Then there's the thousands of ATR credits that were simply taken away with ZERO fucks given by the movement leaders. How about the movement saying, Oh by the way, your center, the one that all your meditators locally raised the money to buy? SELL IT AND SEND THE MONEY TO US. And then there's the personalities of the Rajas -- avatars of criminality right there -- I mean, who else but a bastard would say to their self: Hey, I think I'll just buy a hunk of the world and rule it as an overlord! Then there's the Course Office people -- the meanest fucks I ever met,
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jews and Black Death! to Eye Roller in Holland
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@... wrote: Interesting how Ann and Emily react negatively to almost everything Share writes, but no one else does. Are they seeing things in Share's posts that aren't there because they continue to dislike her? I know, I'm awful. But I just can't shake the impression that Share, although maybe not a pudding head, likes to come across as just pudding enough to seem benign and harmless which she may well be. However, I am not the best candidate to appreciate the damsel in distress charade. It just was never my shtick. And I must admit, I am under developed in the spiritual seeker department. I mean, I don't even know what jyotish or neuroplasty really is. I'm a complete and utter New Age failure. But you never know, Share and I could be bouncing together blissfully one day in that Dome there in FF. 'Infinite possibilities', was that the phrase? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: Opponents?  More black and white thinking.  Did you vote for Bush?  Us and them?  From: Share Long sharelong60@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 7:25 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jews and Black Death! to Eye Roller in Holland  I ABSOLUTELY LOVE it when I help one of Barry's opponents agree with him. You go girl! (-: From: Ann awoelflebater@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 8:41 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jews and Black Death! to Eye Roller in Holland  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Get over it Eye Roller in Holland!àBy which I mean, get over my twiffy way of being on FFL.àSo what if I don't automatically think to google monotheism?àSo what if I'd rather ask a question?àMaybe it's a female thing. No my dear, don't for one minute lump me in there with you. àA comment which itself might cause piling on (-: Anyway, of course you snipped the rest of my post which I thought was a good question about even supposedly religious conflicts actually being economic ones in reality. àBahàhumbug to you and your snipping! àShare, you think in a very simplistic way. You appear to want to dabble in a hundred things that ultimately don't matter yet refuse to take the time and effort to learn about and investigate those things that could actually be significant. Perhaps you need to get your head out of the clouds and put your feet back on the planet. I have to (gasp) agree with Barry here. Eye rolling (and snorting) in Victoria. OTOH maybe that's YOUR way of being on FFL and I need to get over it ha ha. From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 6:52 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jews and Black Death! à--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Hi Mike, why do you think that [hatred of Jews] happened? I'm wondering if they were the first group to espouse the idea of one God rather than many gods. Could that have been the reason? Share, I sometimes feel the need to step in when people pile onto you, but PLEASE don't make it so difficult to do so by saying things as ignorant as this. Your wondering could have been ended with one click: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monotheism It is difficult for me to *believe* that anyone could be so uneducated as to think that monotheism started with Jews. It is even more difficult to believe that anyone with access to the Internet and having the ability to read would display such ignorance and then ask other people to comment on it as if it were a valid assumption. Does being this much of a twif actually *work* for you in Fairfield? Do people there really have standards so low that you can get away with saying stuff like this? Rolling my eyes in Holland...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung wrote: I know two of the Rajas -- worked for one for two years, knew the other via pot-lucks. Both millionaires AT BIRTH -- ¨ Oh dear, BY BIRTH ?? AND devotees of a Saint ??? Assholes, no doubt about it !! OK but what self-respecting person (are all Rajas men?!?!?! If so that could explain a few things) would be willing to go around dressed like THIS? To me, this says it all. Oh, that's low, Ann. It's bad enough that the man even has a penis, but he went out of his way to disgrace our beloved TM Movement by actually using it. Twice!!! Oh Alex, on form as always.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@... wrote: http://youtu.be/3sqA--t9XZY Perfect and thank you Raunch. Since I am not a TV watcher I have failed to ever see Project Runway but one big difference between the lady with the popcorn stuck to her hip and lightbulbs and cardboard festooned all over he body is that she isn't calling herself a Raja. I think that makes all the difference. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: Oh c'mon, Have you *watched* Project Runway?!!? Makes this cat look like a boy scout... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung wrote: I know two of the Rajas -- worked for one for two years, knew the other via pot-lucks. Both millionaires AT BIRTH -- ¨ Oh dear, BY BIRTH ?? AND devotees of a Saint ??? Assholes, no doubt about it !! OK but what self-respecting person (are all Rajas men?!?!?! If so that could explain a few things) would be willing to go around dressed like THIS? To me, this says it all.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote: Oh c'mon, Have you *watched* Project Runway?!!? Makes this cat look like a boy scout... I like the Boy Scout's hat better. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung wrote: I know two of the Rajas -- worked for one for two years, knew the other via pot-lucks. Both millionaires AT BIRTH -- ¨ Oh dear, BY BIRTH ?? AND devotees of a Saint ??? Assholes, no doubt about it !! OK but what self-respecting person (are all Rajas men?!?!?! If so that could explain a few things) would be willing to go around dressed like THIS? To me, this says it all.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks
So what is the scoop with the Rajas? Only rich men? No Ranis? Are millionaire women's money not good enough or are they too smart to wear those cheesy costumes and give their money away to the TMO? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@... wrote: What, Richard, what? I don't get to express an opinion? Of course I'm an asshole -- everyone is. And remember these opinions are from a brain that did 30 years of TM, 44,000 hours in the chair, 2,000 taught -- how could TM be such a nothing technique that it didn't even dent my revulsion of the movement's leaders? If I was not improved, and my opinion is for shit, then these leaders are leaders of a movement that is offering a technique that doesn't work -- so they're frauds -- or, as I have said: ASSHOLES! Who doesn't think their thoughts are legit until otherwise persuaded? These Rajas were snobby, prideful, uncaring about the rights of others, dismissive, and on and on. Not always, but often. Not to me personally, so much. as it was to EVERY. ONE. THEY. KNEW. One of these guys was fond of snapping his fingers to get people doing something -- like a Nazi SS. Which reminds me of this time I personally walked over and handed a check for $500 to yet another TM minor-leader, and he too perfunctorily snapped his fingers to get me to give him the check and leave his office. Fuck, eh? The $500 was chicken feed to him. I've know six of the movement's super-rich -- hundreds of millions in net worth each. All of them strutted around like feudal lordsnot even nice to their wives. It's the money -- it corrupts..corrupts everyone. Even a person making $30,000 a year looks down on a homeless person in the streets.like that, the ego glues itself to symbols to make itself real. BAH! And double BAH! on the movement for offering position, access and privilege to the rich -- so that they could be milked dry by Girish et alia. This was two decades ago -- who knows, I have gotten better as a human in that time, so certainly they will have been smacked enough by karma to sand down a lot of their rough spots. Humility can come in an instant, so who knows what they've evolved into by now. The acid test is what they do with their money and how they treat their minions. And those who are rich and fight to remain decent human beings are as if funneled into their personalities by dint of the movement's impoverished masses who relentlessly beg from the rich for loans, gifts, and investment in gonzo business deals. And the movement is knocking on their door for more cash EVERY. DAY. Shit, even I get asked for donations by the TMO at least ten times a year. Simply trying to avoid all that rush for their gold turns the rich into fear-everyone types, and it shows when you try to approach the rich with anything but hey, try the bean casserole. They smell your beggary from 100 feet away. So, on that level, I pity them, because they are always hiding out from the masses, and having to have only people like them to hob nob with. Vicious cycle that. Now-a-days, mostly I see TM as a scam. The technique probably can be used to good effect, but what that is and how it compares to other techniques is just not clear. I'm all for anything that lessens physiological excitation, but I could rattle of a hundred ways to obtain that. I like the idea of the Holy Tradition, but where was it ever honored? Maharishi FORBID any translation of Guru Dev's words, right? Ask L.B., right? The movement has never NEVER NEVER wanted us to have intellectual clarity -- tried to keep us all as blind true believers and avoid any discussion of the fine points or the truths about the mantras, Guru Dev's money/death, and on and on -- we all know the ways the movement didn't respect us or grant us any right to know about most of the movement's machinations. Here's one symbolic moment for me: on teacher training, Maharishi had a meeting that was sort of thrown together quickly in a very small venue and it turned out that people could sit right next to Maharishi, maybe only a 100 people in the room. This rich guy planks his ass down right next to Maharishi, and picks up Maharishi's hand and holds it! -- instead of listening he interrupted Maharishi several times to add his opinion to the words of Maharishi. Maharishi didn't even twitch, and none of his body guards did either -- they knew the master was working the guy up to get a big gift to the movement, ya see? Up until the time, the only person I knew who'd ever touched Maharishi was Tat Walla Baba. If I had planked my ass down before that rich guy, I would have been sent home FOR FUCKING EVER for not knowing my place. And, yes, after that instance, I gave two more decades to the movement -- which means I was not only an asshole, but a mindful
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jews and Black Death!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn wrote: Steve, I wasn't actually responding to the statement Share made.  Turq pointed out that she could have looked up the word monotheism, to understand where/when the concept of one God arrived (i.e. the Jews weren't the first group), Why? Is this some sort of academic setting? We're making causal conversation here. If someone as more accurate information than someone else, why not share it? Share makes a technical error that would have had no material difference in the discussion, and suddenly she's a twif, a pudding brain, simple minded. but given that she didn't use that word herself, she wouldn't have looked it up.  I was replying to feste's use of the term piling on, as I find it a really stooopid term for what I consider a positive aspect of this forum.  Read what I wrote again, I wasn't ridiculing, I was voicing an opinion.  So, let me get this straight. Referring to someone as a twif, a pudding brain or simple minded is just positive feedback, and not piling on? Okay, I accept that this is your opinion. No problem there. What is it about Share, or your own character, that makes you feel it is necessary to be so defensive on her behalf, Steve? Is it because you think she is not capable of speaking for herself? Is it because you feel she is treated worse than others on this forum? Is it because you have a soft spot for her and just can't stand seeing anyone question or evaluate what she writes? Do you lack objectivity? From: seventhray27 steve.sundur@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 10:26 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jews and Black Death!  Emily, I am not exactly sure what you are saying: if you are showing some undestanding about this statement Share made, or indicating she deserved the harsh responses she received? Here's the statement: Hi Mike, why do you think that [hatred of Jews] happened? I'm wondering if they were the first group to espouse the idea of one God rather than many gods. Could that have been the reason? I believe Barry has a deeper understanding than most of religions, their origins etc. Okay, great. Why not enlighten us, if there is some misconception? I mean if you ask 99% of people, Who discovered America, the answer would be Christopher Columbus. I mean I'm not even sure who discoverd America. But from what I've gathered in the last couple years, it wasn't CC. If you ask 99% of people, who came up with the idea of one God, the answer is going to be the Jews. Again, I'm not sure who came up with idea of One God. So, what's the value in ridiculing someone who asks a question, or makes a statement along these lines? Why not just provide a correction? Anyway, going to bed now. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn wrote: You know, I ask a lot of stupid questions and throw out a lot of unenlightened bullshit. àI do this when my mind isn't working, I do it to get feedback, I do it to help myself think differently or more expansively about an issue. àI don't think piling on is the right phrase at all. àWhen people respond to a question or a POV thrown up here, they give all of us the opportunity to gain clarity, think more deeply about our belief system, question our assumptions, look at our logical or illogical train of thought, have a good laugh at ourselves and others', etc. àI see it as one of the primary gifts of FFL - that people are willing to communicate what they are really thinking. àIt was a huge shock to me to see this here when I arrived. àIt isn't how I experienced my life for many years - so many people are fear-based and too scared to say what their real reality is - they don't even know it themselves, they've protected themselves for so long and gotten stuck in righteousness and sheep mentality and blame and many other defense tactics. àThey have no idea how to take responsibility for themselves, nor do they want to. àFrom: feste37 feste37@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 7:33 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jews and Black Death! àAbsolutely right. It's just pile on to Share time, that's all. And Share handles it all with grace and humor. Well done, Share. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: All this over one simple statement below, and suddenly one is simple minded, a twif a pudding brain!? Or I guess the come back is, no this is just one example of this type of thinking I don't see any of it. I see someone who has traversed through the issues and come to a style of communication that is for the most part non confrontational.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A new humanity will be born
Why is it that any new age, new paradigm is ushered in on holier-than-thou attitudes and platitudes? Can you not be joyful for the emergence of what you believe will be some inevitable new golden age as described by Maharishi? Why does it always have to include this damnation of others, this moral judgement about the lost souls who will get their comeuppance? Where is your empathy, your understanding, your acceptance, your humanity? This attitude you convey, Nabby, is no better than any other rabid, fanatical crazy group that are a dime a dozen out there. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: Little by little bitter, unfulfilled, lazy souls will be replaced as this prediction comes through: A new humanity will be born, fuller in conception and richer in experience and accomplishments in all fields. Joy of life will belong to every man, love will dominate human society, truth and virtue will reign in the world, peace on earth will be permanent, and all will live in fulfillment. --Maharishi 1963
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote: The naked truth is Mother Divine rules the universe already, so we guys get to play dress up, to serve Her. No shit, and any guy that doesn't get that is a moron. PS there's a lot of morons.:-) Love ya Doc. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: So what is the scoop with the Rajas? Only rich men? No Ranis? Are millionaire women's money not good enough or are they too smart to wear those cheesy costumes and give their money away to the TMO? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: What, Richard, what? I don't get to express an opinion? Of course I'm an asshole -- everyone is. And remember these opinions are from a brain that did 30 years of TM, 44,000 hours in the chair, 2,000 taught -- how could TM be such a nothing technique that it didn't even dent my revulsion of the movement's leaders? If I was not improved, and my opinion is for shit, then these leaders are leaders of a movement that is offering a technique that doesn't work -- so they're frauds -- or, as I have said: ASSHOLES! Who doesn't think their thoughts are legit until otherwise persuaded? These Rajas were snobby, prideful, uncaring about the rights of others, dismissive, and on and on. Not always, but often. Not to me personally, so much. as it was to EVERY. ONE. THEY. KNEW. One of these guys was fond of snapping his fingers to get people doing something -- like a Nazi SS. Which reminds me of this time I personally walked over and handed a check for $500 to yet another TM minor-leader, and he too perfunctorily snapped his fingers to get me to give him the check and leave his office. Fuck, eh? The $500 was chicken feed to him. I've know six of the movement's super-rich -- hundreds of millions in net worth each. All of them strutted around like feudal lordsnot even nice to their wives. It's the money -- it corrupts..corrupts everyone. Even a person making $30,000 a year looks down on a homeless person in the streets.like that, the ego glues itself to symbols to make itself real. BAH! And double BAH! on the movement for offering position, access and privilege to the rich -- so that they could be milked dry by Girish et alia. This was two decades ago -- who knows, I have gotten better as a human in that time, so certainly they will have been smacked enough by karma to sand down a lot of their rough spots. Humility can come in an instant, so who knows what they've evolved into by now. The acid test is what they do with their money and how they treat their minions. And those who are rich and fight to remain decent human beings are as if funneled into their personalities by dint of the movement's impoverished masses who relentlessly beg from the rich for loans, gifts, and investment in gonzo business deals. And the movement is knocking on their door for more cash EVERY. DAY. Shit, even I get asked for donations by the TMO at least ten times a year. Simply trying to avoid all that rush for their gold turns the rich into fear-everyone types, and it shows when you try to approach the rich with anything but hey, try the bean casserole. They smell your beggary from 100 feet away. So, on that level, I pity them, because they are always hiding out from the masses, and having to have only people like them to hob nob with. Vicious cycle that. Now-a-days, mostly I see TM as a scam. The technique probably can be used to good effect, but what that is and how it compares to other techniques is just not clear. I'm all for anything that lessens physiological excitation, but I could rattle of a hundred ways to obtain that. I like the idea of the Holy Tradition, but where was it ever honored? Maharishi FORBID any translation of Guru Dev's words, right? Ask L.B., right? The movement has never NEVER NEVER wanted us to have intellectual clarity -- tried to keep us all as blind true believers and avoid any discussion of the fine points or the truths about the mantras, Guru Dev's money/death, and on and on -- we all know the ways the movement didn't respect us or grant us any right to know about most of the movement's machinations. Here's one symbolic moment for me: on teacher training, Maharishi had a meeting that was sort of thrown together quickly in a very small venue and it turned out that people could sit right next to Maharishi, maybe only a 100 people in the room. This rich guy planks his ass down right next to Maharishi, and picks up Maharishi's hand and holds it! -- instead of listening he interrupted Maharishi several times to add his opinion to the words
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74 mjackson74@ wrote: re-certification which in my opinion was one of the sleazier moves M ever made - Always touching when someone from outside the Movement has the best interest of the TM-teachers at heart ! Anyway, the re-certification had to important effects; getting rid of dead-wood not doing anything useful anymore, and making sure white trash rednecks could never enter the Movement again. As such the new structure proved very successful. Who were these white trash rednecks? Did these type of people have a tendency to want to become TM teachers? What makes you think types like these would never enter the Movement again due to the re-certification process? What was it about the process that ensured this? What makes MJ someone outside of the Movement when he was clearly very much inside the Movement for decades? Or is someone not part of the Movement who is not a teacher? That would certainly disqualify a lot of students and meditators. Or did your response just signify a knee jerk, but baseless, short diatribe containing nothing but unfounded reaction? These are not rhetorical questions Nab. I want to know what you mean here.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Guy walks into a bar (Was: What is the TMO's concept of 'Heaven on Earth'?)
Well, if being dead is being enlightened and somehow a 'master' of it then this man has succeeded. But I guess you can't fault the guy for trying, there are certainly hordes of potential believers out there to convince, then and now. If he was alive today I am sure FF would be on his list of stopovers. He would fit right in. Share might even have been first in line! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams richard@... wrote: 9. Are these people SO weird that they don't even *know* that they're weird? No, they probably think that's the new normal. LoL! http://www.illicitsnowboarding.com/2009/11/notorious-snowboarder-1-dr-f\ rederick_22.html 10. A guy in a suit sitting in a New York apartment wants people to believe he is levitating over a Swiss lake. Apparently Fred Lenz wanted to be the next Maharishi! Go figure.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Guy walks into a bar (Was: What is the TMO's concept of 'Heaven on Earth'?)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: Well, if being dead is being enlightened and somehow a 'master' of it then this man has succeeded. But I guess you can't fault the guy for trying, there are certainly hordes of potential believers out there to convince, then and now. If he was alive today I am sure FF would be on his list of stopovers. Actually, it wouldn't. Someone once suggested that he go to Fairfield and he reacted by making a sticking- his-finger-in-his-mouth-to-indicate-throwing-up gesture. *Not* that I'm trying to defend the guy or anything, but if people are going to say things about him, they should at least be true things. Actually Barry, my post was pretty much tongue in cheek. There wasn't a thing I wrote in there that I actually believe. But thanks for the serious clarification. He never had the *least* interest in the Maharishi-like notion of finding as many followers as possible. He was looking for a certain profile of follower, and purpose- fully kept the numbers of them down -- probably never going over more than a couple of thousand at a time. The ostensible (and, I believe, actual) reason for this is that he wanted to work *directly* with his students, in a close student-to-teacher relationship. You simply cannot do that with tens of thousands of people. He didn't teach standalone techniques -- his value (if he had one) was in the one-on-one interaction with him. He would fit right in. Share might even have been first in line! Although she might have, given the 'tudes she has shown here on FFL, she would never have been accepted as a student. That was one thing that was different about the Rama guy -- you couldn't just walk into a lecture, decide that you wanted to study with him, and have that happen. He had to decide to accept you as a student, and he turned down more people than he accepted. Then he'd periodically do purges to further whittle down the numbers, and keep the overall groups small, and thus manageable. The flash of his advertising campaigns were to attract big enough crowds to his big public talks to pay for the rooms, but he was clear that when he filled Carnegie Hall (as he did several times), he was expecting to get maybe three or four students he wanted to work with out of the lecture. The rest would take whatever benefit they felt they got from the meditation and go away, hopefully to find some other teacher or path more suited to their sensibilities. He had no interest in pursuing people or cajoling them into climbing aboard the Rama bus. All of this said, he WAS more than a bit of a weird dude, and not to everyone's taste. And, if it makes you feel any better, I think he was even *more* of a Narcissistic Personality Disordered crazy person than I think Robin is. On the other hand, he could actually *perform* siddhis, such that most people in the audiences saw them, and he could meditate powerfully enough that most in the audience were blown away by the experience, and people not only found it easy to quiet thoughts when meditating with him, they often found it impossible to even *have* thoughts. But he was *also* more than a little bit of a tyrant, a serial womanizer, and towards the end of his life (IMO) a delusional, Valium-addicted paranoid. I'm posting this *NOT* to toot his horn (he's daid, after all, and I walked away from him long before he did himself in), just to correct what seems to be a weird assumption on your part -- that all spiritual teachers are interested in achieving the largest number of students/followers possible, and thus would tour the Sucker Circuit trying to find them. Many might, but Rama didn't. He thought Maharishi sucked, by the way. He had abso- lutely zero respect for him, for the techniques he taught, and for what they seemed to have produced in his students. He thought that TM -- especially practicing what TMers have come to think of as rounding -- was a great way to get stuck in the gray, icky lower astral planes, and thus get all spaced out and incapable of handling life in the real world. Since I agreed with him, I didn't have any problems with this 'tude. If you do, take it up with him. You can write to him at P.O. Box 108, The Bardo. :-) Actually Barry, my post was pretty much tongue in cheek. There wasn't a thing I wrote in there that I actually believe. But it worked out well because by taking me seriously (but coming to an erroneous conclusion that I had a theory Lenz was looking for as many students as possible) you rapped on some interesting factoids about the guy. As you know, I do find narcissistic cult leaders irresistible. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams richard@ wrote: 9. Are these people SO weird that they don't even
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: Who were these white trash rednecks? Did these type of people have a tendency to want to become TM teachers? What makes you think types like these would never enter the Movement again due to the re-certification process? What was it about the process that ensured this? What makes MJ someone outside of the Movement when he was clearly very much inside the Movement for decades? Or is someone not part of the Movement who is not a teacher? That would certainly disqualify a lot of students and meditators. Or did your response just signify a knee jerk, but baseless, short diatribe containing nothing but unfounded reaction? These are not rhetorical questions Nab. I want to know what you mean here. No you don't Ann. I've posted several answers to your questions before and receiving only gibberish as a response, so I will not even try again. Okee dokee.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Happy New Year !!!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: Happy New Year to everyone at FFL. I'm currently vacationing in India with my family - mother, sisters and their families - I have pictures to share here, starting with the picture here. http://www.flickr.com/x/t/0090009/photos/73243621@N07/8332978823/ I spent major part of the evening visiting temples what with my brother-in-law, my older sister's husband being a staunch, traditional Brahmin. I have had lot of fun so far visiting India after 4 and half years. Thanks for sharing Ravi. That was a beautiful picture of you with your grandmother.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting study, to say the least...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: It could well be that those of us who treat people who identify with being New Age as if they're more likely to be crazy are correct in doing so. After all, many of them were drawn to the New Agey things they're involved with out of a desire to heal themselves, a phenomenon one doesn't find as often in the traditionally religious. Seems that they were intuitively right -- they have more that needs healing... Spirituality Linked To Mental Health 'Demons' Like Eating Disorders, Drug Abuse, Anxiety, Study Says http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/01/02/mental-health-spirituality-e\ ating-disorder-drug-abuse_n_2394538.html?utm_hp_ref=ukBeing spiritual may give life deeper meaning but it can also mess up your mind, research suggests. A study found that people professing to be spiritual, but not conventionally religious, were more likely to suffer from a host of mental challenges. Their demons included abnormal eating conditions, drug abuse, anxiety disorder, phobias and neurosis. They were also more likely than others to be taking medication for mental health problems. Professor Michael King, from University College London, and his fellow researchers wrote in the British Journal of Psychiatry: Our main finding is that people who had a spiritual understanding of life had worse mental health than those with an understanding that was neither religious nor spiritual. The study was based on a survey of 7,403 randomly selected men and women in England who were questioned about their spiritual and religious beliefs, and mental state. Of the participants, 35% described themselves as religious, meaning they attended a church, mosque, synagogue or temple. The vast majority of this group (86%) were Christian. A further 19% claimed to have spiritual beliefs or experiences without following a specific religion, while 46% were neither religious nor spiritual. More than nine out of 10 were white British, with an average age of 46. Of the different groups, spiritual people were 50% more likely to have a generalised anxiety disorder and 72% more likely to suffer from a phobia. They also had a 77% higher chance of being dependent on drugs and were 37% more at risk of neurotic disorder. Spirituality was also associated with a 40% greater likelihood of receiving treatment with psychotropic drugs. Individuals of religious faith and those with none experienced equal levels of mental problems, the study found. But there were fewer problems with drugs or alcohol among the faithful. Unlike some American studies, the new research found no clear relationship between religious belief and happiness. One recent large internet study in the US reported that non-religious people with spiritual beliefs were emotionally less stable than other groups. However, they made up only 2% of the study sample. The researchers wrote: We conclude that there is increasing evidence that people who profess spiritual beliefs in the absence of a religious framework are more vulnerable to mental disorder. Chicken or the egg? I would conjecture that those who already possess phobias or other psychological difficulties are more likely to seek outside help via spiritual practices than the likelihood that following spiritual teachings or lifestyles lead to mental problems. I am sure both cases could be cited but probably the former is more prevalent. The nature of this association needs greater examination in qualitative and in prospective quantitative research. I would agree but interesting article anyway.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: There is a sign up in Bagambhrini Dome saying how auspicious it is that he passed on the first day of silence in the new year. OK, commenting not to be nasty or insulting or anything like that, just to see whether you understand the nature of the world you live in, you DO understand, do you not, that they would have said the same thing if Paul McCartney had died on this day, or David Lynch? It's not about auspiciousness. It's about the TMO trying to co-opt *everything* related to a famous TMer to make it All About Us. Triguna died. The Maharishi-invented days of silence started. There is no relationship between the two events. When someone tries to create one, I think it is justified to ask Why? There IS a relationship only insofar as two things happened on the same day. Other than that it would be a stretch, in my opinion, to believe that he waited to die or was ordained to die on the same day as the first day of silence (whatever that is) and that that would be somehow auspicious. I also agree that the question why is not asked often enough. It seems there are a lot of 'faithful' at FFL; not that it is a bad thing but I prefer faith tempered with a healthy dose of questioning.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes to merudanda
Cyber flirtation - fascinating. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: What does she think but that she could so easily, what with it being a new year and all, get another crush on the Shiva Shakti person called merudanda who was there with MMY in Germany in mid 60s when she was still in high school and of course still in love with her first love who attended the Joan Baez school for non violence in CA and became a real conscientious objector who did his military service working at a VA hospital in Boston. She says all this because she isn't sure that she herself could ever be fascinating enough to entrance the mind and heart of such a Purusha Prakriti one winged one no matter how much clapping she does, no matter how much wing flapping, no matter if she breaks the rules and even drinks a Coke. You see, she prefers Mug root beer or maybe a Sprite but mostly coconut water so yummy and decadent and healthy. Such an irresistible combination those three. Perfect for toasting a new any thing (-: PS Since pittas are not famous for their ability to wait and or be patient, one can logically deduce the lack of such virtue in one even angelic one whom Trigunaji labeled PURE pitta. She's just sayin (-: Watching the conductor she understands why such members of the music world reportedly enjoy wonderful longevity. It is a rousing march guaranteed to get the tamas guna moving. Rajas she has plenty of. Anything for sat guna, dearest bubbler? From: merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 2, 2013 2:01 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes  Maybe you need to break the rules sometime.LOL that's the bubbling spirit Triguna advised Chopra not only to sit silently each morning but * chew his food slowly, *  make sure his bowels move at the same time every day, *  and eat skinned almonds slowly in the morning,tooWhat do you think listening and or watching a bit here and there from http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/331409 would help, too? Do you remember or have heard about the scene-events(I was there--)in which MMY said:Oh with bubbles?...and at a gas station during a tour in Germany (mid 60s):May I try that bottle of CocaCola?... At the the end of this post and New-Year-Wishes you may learn from the old man in the second row how clapping hands stimulates pressure points corresponding to organs and systems throughout the body,connects the universe with the mind and the music... and the music.. Happy New Year!ShareLong60 So lets start 2013 Ohne Sorgen- without worries http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMKYfWgUCeYSo keep clapping every day,..but Maybe you need to break the rules sometime. good you are around --can hear you clapping-- -or is it the one-only -angel-wing still patiently practicing waiting the embracing or am I Who hear the laughter of this lovely butterfly, and know now how the clouds taste like. In the moonlight undisturbed by fear discover no explore the night? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: There is a sign up in Bagambhrini Dome saying how auspicious it is that he passed on the first day of silence in the new year. Yes, may his soul be at peace and his family be comforted by memories and life which continues right along. Her Triguna story from long ago:àhe put his fingers on her pulse and immediately she started thinking the word sex and was sure he could hear her very loud thoughts but sigh, nothing to be done about it.àHe released her wrist as if scalded and said, Pure pitta.àEnd of story (-: Another story:àa woman at MUM got sick and went to Triguna and told him that she was doing everything that she's supposed to do, etc.àHe said, Maybe you need to break the rules sometime.àFrom: merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 2, 2013 7:35 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes àPadma Vibhushan Awardee Dr. BD Triguna, a giant in the field of Ayurved, was 95 years and still active in the practice of Ayurvedàoffering his consultancy to the panchkarma clinic in Khosla Hospital in Delhi as well as some ayurveda hospitals in Germany and the USA run by the Maharishi's organization. . He was a master of Ayurved pulse diagnosis. With him an era in Ayurved practice has been lost. May God put his soul into peace and give courage to his family including Triguna's son Devender, also a Padma Bhushan Awardee to bear the loss. Deepak Chopra used to work as an interpreter for Dr. BD Triguna when he went on world tours in the late '80s on Maharishi's invitation.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes to Turq
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: It was not an official sign by the TMO. There was no they involved. The sign was put up by an anonymous someone on the bulletin board in the coat room of the women's Dome where other life transitions such as births and weddings and birthdays and anniversaries are announced. That person was expressing their own opinion about Triguna's death occurring on Jan 1, the day when many are beginning the traditional week of silence.     Yes, I know the world I inhabit. And you do NOT know it, Turq. You merely continue to project onto it your own unresolved stuff. Stuff from decades ago. Ok, I have unresolved stuff too. But at least I have the good sense to recognize it and do something about it that I think is benficial. For God's sake, man, get over the TMO already! It's a new year and all that is ancient history. Now Share, I also made a post commenting on this. What would you say to me concerning my negative post? (Assuming you read it, of course.) Is Turq just an all around bad guy, or is he using FFL to work out issues? Is he a crusader against an evil empire, or a lost soul gasping for release? Does TM always succeed, and if not, why? Maybe he is just practicing writing in his spare time, this is what he does for a living. Because Turq does not fess up to issues he may have with his life, that leaves us guessing. When you cannot figure something out, you become vulnerable to imagination, wishful thinking, when you lack discipline (like me), and begin to make up all sorts of things about people and why they do what they do, things that exist only in the head, in the mind. We interpret events differently when people are involved. If Turq came by and dropped a heavy rock on your foot, you might have a different interpretation of the event than if a rock broke free from a natural embankment and fell on your foot. Yet both events are events in nature; we interpret the event in proximity to a human differently because we make the assumption a human is an agent with an intentional stance, that the agent is in some way in operational control of how the universe proceeds, is an intentional agent. We blame the human. This is hard to do with a rock falling down a hill. There you have to blame God, if that is how you think the universe runs, and people have an aversion to crediting God with everything that happens even when that is logically how the concept works (omniscience and omnipotence). If you do not believe this way, then it just happened that way, and perhaps you say 'damn stupid rock', and then go about what is next. Assuming these two rock events happened, the commonality between them is just they both happened, and then certain things follow, namely thinking about why they happened, and getting medical attention perhaps. This is the nature of life. Things happen, and then other things happen, and perhaps we think about those things. This goes on until we stop, when the body stop functioning. This is how life goes, the world is here; there is a body in the world that the mind associated with the body calls 'me'. Things happen, then other things happen. The mind thinks, interprets what happens. This goes on. Isn't life simple? Is Turq projecting, or pretending to project? Do you want to 'heal' him? When I first came on the forum, I tried to figure Turq out. I don't do that anymore (or much anyway). I tried to figure out Judy. That did not work out either. Now I just write and enjoy the process. Even if the TMO did not post that message about Triguna, it sounds like something that ol' stupid TMO would do, or what someone, similarly brainwashed would follow up with. There is a lot of brainwashing in spiritual movements; some deliberate, but a lot just comes with the territory, and everyone is unaware that is what is going on. Maybe Turq is prying himself out of these mental cages - Oh damn, there I am projecting! I liked this post Xeno. You seemed to be working things out as you wrote which is what I do as well. Or maybe you didn't but it seemed that way. I find that sometimes I think I have an idea of what I am going to write, sit down to write it and all of a sudden new ideas and 'takes' on what I was addressing emerge and it fills out or morphs into something else. Kind of like when I go to make bread and it turns out to be quiche lorraine instead.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes to Turq
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@... wrote: I love everything about this post. Ann, this is how an arrow hits the target and penetrates the bullseye. If you say so, Steve. Different strokes... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: It was not an official sign by the TMO. There was no they involved. The sign was put up by an anonymous someone on the bulletin board in the coat room of the women's Dome where other life transitions such as births and weddings and birthdays and anniversaries are announced. That person was expressing their own opinion about Triguna's death occurring on Jan 1, the day when many are beginning the traditional week of silence.     Yes, I know the world I inhabit. And you do NOT know it, Turq. You merely continue to project onto it your own unresolved stuff. Stuff from decades ago. Ok, I have unresolved stuff too. But at least I have the good sense to recognize it and do something about it that I think is benficial. For God's sake, man, get over the TMO already! It's a new year and all that is ancient history. From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 2, 2013 1:07 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: There is a sign up in Bagambhrini Dome saying how auspicious it is that he passed on the first day of silence in the new year. OK, commenting not to be nasty or insulting or anything like that, just to see whether you understand the nature of the world you live in, you DO understand, do you not, that they would have said the same thing if Paul McCartney had died on this day, or David Lynch? It's not about auspiciousness. It's about the TMO trying to co-opt *everything* related to a famous TMer to make it All About Us. Triguna died. The Maharishi-invented days of silence started. There is no relationship between the two events. When someone tries to create one, I think it is justified to ask Why?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: There IS a relationship only insofar as two things happened on the same day. Other than that it would be a stretch, in my opinion, to believe that he waited to die or was ordained to die on the same day as the first day of silence (whatever that is) and that that would be somehow auspicious. I also agree that the question why is not asked often enough. It seems there are a lot of 'faithful' at FFL; not that it is a bad thing but I prefer faith tempered with a healthy dose of questioning. I took it as being no more coincidental that when it rains during a funeral, or when a birth takes place on an exceptionally sunny day. Merely an observation, that's all. Yeah, yeah, an observation of someone else's message on a bulletin board. If Share didn't think it was indicative of something true she wouldn't have posted it here, hence more than observation but, instead, agreement. No big deal if she does think it is auspicious. It is just that I disagree. Still feel the need to back her up, even on something so trifling? Why not save your energy for when something bigger comes along and you can ride to her aid with your sword flashing?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Apostate Meditators
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Damned apostate meditators. Well, I must admit here in considering this that being practical as an experienced and an old practiced meditator on FFL I find myself sorting by apostasy and deleting through posts for merit to read by whether the writers are meditators or not meditators at all, whether being disciplined practicing meditators or not, being just critical meditators or apostate and non-meditators. It saves a lot of precious time spiritually. For after all what spiritually speaking could non-meditators or even apostate meditators who quit along the way possibly have to say anyway.. Buck, I'm replying because you captured perfectly the mindset I was trying to explain to Share earlier. Can you actually *remember* what you signed up for when you first started TM? I can. It was 20 minutes twice a day of meditation, with no required lifestyle changes, and no mandatory things you must believe in or do. That's pretty much what I remember when I began in 1970. Even attending MIU from 1975-1980 it was pretty easy going. If I had seen a Raja or been as hog tied as many on campus sound like they are today I would have been very 'outta there'. Instead, I found MIU to be a very progressive and positive place where you had highly educated and respected faculty, a demographic of students that included 18 to 45 year olds and a liberalness that included looking the other way when the dorm supervisor knew I was basically living in my boyfriend's on campus (males only) dormitory room every night. FF itself included meditators and townspeople. No travelling side shows, no disgruntled ex TM'ers. If you weren't meditating why in the hell would you stay in FF? No one did. There were a couple of TM businesses including a gift shop and a restaurant, that was about it. MIU was a small blot on the otherwise 'normal' landscape of farms, small local businesses and the non- meditating native community. There also was no hint in those early days (1967) that TM would make you better than other people, such that you'd someday come to believe that if they didn't do the things you do and believe the things you believe, you consider them not even capable of having anything to say. Compare and contrast to your talk of apostasy, which just REEKS of elitism. Somewhere along the way you got so brainwashed that you seem to believe (or pretend to believe...it's hard to tell with you) that believing the shit you believe and doing the shit you do is so great that not only everyone should do it, everyone HAS to do it to be worthy of interacting with you. That just makes you a fanatic, and an elitist one at that, not more evolved or better in any way. You speak of apostasy, as if those who signed up for vanilla TM owe something to either Maharishi (who is...uh...dead, if you hadn't noticed) or to the soulless dweebs who run things in his absence. Or even worse, to the world, because being a TM meditator you're so...so...SO special and all. Y'know...as in the literal TM dogma that practicing the sidhis in a group makes your thoughts 10,000 times more power- ful than other people's. What insanity. I might have said this a little differently (Ann vs Barry style) but I have to say, I can't argue with anything here. Can you even comprehend how elitist this is? Can you comprehend how classically CULT THINKING it is? I read the things you write and I just roll my eyes. If I thought, for one minute, that Buck was only half serious he could be somewhat humorous. Instead, I find him a bit scary and am thankful he doesn't (hopefully) hold political office or believe stringently in the second amendment.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes to Turq
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: Thanks for giving your POV. To counter your core inaccuracy about me: I have strongly questioned TM, TMO, etc. In fact, I did just that when I left campus 10 years ago. Then there were 7 years when I was not in the Dome at all. In July 2009 there were 2 weeks when I did not do my sidhis because I was at a PKYC retreat and they asked me to restrict myself to TM only. During my 5 years with Waking Down I was in satsang with ex govs usually once a week and we were not talking about SCI. Though most of them reported continuing TM. All these different behaviors were accompanied by my questioning and being open to other systems. For me Share, here is my question. It is not so much that you seem so ensconced in TM and Program, the Domes and Fairfield Iowa and all that represents to you. No, for me it is more a question of would you ever consider just going it 'alone', without some alternative therapy, practice, New Age, or otherwise, path? You say you left FF, you left campus (scary) didn't go to the Dome (shocking), didn't practice your sidhis for two weeks (outrageous) but apparently from your description you were doing something else instead. From the frying pan into the fire; kind of like some people I know who are never without a relationship with someone of the opposite sex. They'll stick around, even if they're not happy, then abandon ship (current partner) when there is another vessel (potential partner) ready and waiting. They couldn't conceive of just existing as an autonomous, independent human being. I think I would just wonder if you ever ask yourself why you need something all the time, some teaching, some speaker, some new practice. Have you ever gone 'cold turkey' just to see if you could do it for sustained periods of time? Would you go crazy if you stopped meditating for six months? Would you ever conceive of living in San Francisco, for example, working some regular job and reading or hiking or writing in your spare time, leaving all esoteric and spiritual exploration behind? It's not like I'm suggesting you try becoming some low-living, heavy drinking carnivorous cretin. I'm simply wondering if you think you could survive in the real world? Of course, I realize your definition of 'real world' is very different from mine, or is it? Yes, I have an opinion of you; do I think you are a horrible human being? No. Do I think there are worse ways to live your life than you apparently live yours? Yes. Am I missing something here? Probably. Should I tell you what is best for you? No.  So my continuing group TMSP has been a deeply considered choice. In fact, after PKYC in July 2009, there was an actual moment when I had a choice to make: either continue with the PKYC program or with the TMSP. I chose the latter and continue to do so. Whatever the flaws of the research, I believe that doing TMSP in a group helps create world peace. And I also believe that this is my dharma in terms of paying off some heavy duty karmic debts from some of my previous lives. So it has nothing to do with being important. But everything to do with paying off those debts. As for all the people in the TMO I aim to have compassion. I think some of them are also paying off some heavy duty karmic debts. Compassion seems like the best choice, if only for my own good health. I also want to say that this choice is not primarily about thoughts or emotions. It is about actions and choosing the daily actions that ENERGETICALLY feel right to me for me, even if not always feeling comfy. Of course I realize that my path is not right for everyone. It might not even be right for everyone in the Dome. That is for them to determine. Nor is it normal for most Americans. Nonetheless it feels right and normal for me and so I will continue to do it until it does not feel so. And I recognize that I might be totally wrong about all this. I'm willing to take this chance given all that I've observed in and out of the TMO. As for the mental illness topic, I do think that a lot of souls saw that during this period of time in human history it would be RELATIVELY easy to grow and develop to a good extent. So though those souls realized they're have some challenging karma to deal with, they chose to incarnate at this time, neutralize the karma no matter how challenging, and have a good shot at a good level of human development. So lots of people on spiritual paths with lots of issues. Again, wise compassion seems a good 'tude. And even more so given that I agree with the idea that as a person or even society evolves, the deeper stuff gets released. It might not always be a pretty sight. But in my experience, if a person or group hangs in there, at some point the deeper stuff get so loosened up, that it's no longer a
[FairfieldLife] Re: Apostate Meditators
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 wrote: I'm not sure what the weather has to do with it, but Buck in the dome is a paradox, since he seems to endorse the same brand of meditator fascism that was also responsible for exiling him from the dome for so many years. He cannot rail against the exclusionary policies of the TMO at the same time as he endorses them without raising questions about what he actually does believe. Nicely said and I would say bullseye on that. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: I've had 2 long chats with Buck in the local health food store and I'm still not sure when he's being ironic in his posts. For the record, in person he comes across as a healthy, down to earth guy with a good sense of humor and well rounded life. I bet like me, he enjoys the variety on FFL. I could be wrong. Nonetheless I'm leaning in feste's direction on this one. And I'm guessing that it's almost impossible for a farmer to have an elitist 'tude about anything. For that matter, impossible for anyone living in Iowa weather. Almost impossible to feel important or special when that wind comes sweeping in from the north. Or when the sun is blazing down day after day, scorching everything in sight. And if the weather don't humble you, the aging body will. Life's got it all figured out for sure (-: Soldier on Buck in Dome. Share in Other Dome also soldiering on From: feste37 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2013 9:14 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostate Meditators  I see Buck as a Stephen Colbert-type figure. He plays a certain role here but what he really believes is a different matter. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung wrote: Yeah, what Turq said! Bucky, before I die, can you at least just send me a private email telling me you're a living parody and not the nutcase you come off as? I won't tell anyone! Edg Dear Edg, No one will ever know if I'm nutcase or just jerking your chain. I'm not sure about it myself, so why spoil the fun? Buck in the dome. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Damned apostate meditators. Well, I must admit here in considering this that being practical as an experienced and an old practiced meditator on FFL I find myself sorting by apostasy and deleting through posts for merit to read by whether the writers are meditators or not meditators at all, whether being disciplined practicing meditators or not, being just critical meditators or apostate and non-meditators. It saves a lot of precious time spiritually. For after all what spiritually speaking could non-meditators or even apostate meditators who quit along the way possibly have to say anyway.. Buck, I'm replying because you captured perfectly the mindset I was trying to explain to Share earlier. Can you actually *remember* what you signed up for when you first started TM? I can. It was 20 minutes twice a day of meditation, with no required lifestyle changes, and no mandatory things you must believe in or do. There also was no hint in those early days (1967) that TM would make you better than other people, such that you'd someday come to believe that if they didn't do the things you do and believe the things you believe, you consider them not even capable of having anything to say. Compare and contrast to your talk of apostasy, which just REEKS of elitism. Somewhere along the way you got so brainwashed that you seem to believe (or pretend to believe...it's hard to tell with you) that believing the shit you believe and doing the shit you do is so great that not only everyone should do it, everyone HAS to do it to be worthy of interacting with you. That just makes you a fanatic, and an elitist one at that, not more evolved or better in any way. You speak of apostasy, as if those who signed up for vanilla TM owe something to either Maharishi (who is...uh...dead, if you hadn't noticed) or to the soulless dweebs who run things in his absence. Or even worse, to the world, because being a TM meditator you're so...so...SO special and all. Y'know...as in the literal TM dogma that practicing the sidhis in a group makes your thoughts 10,000 times more power- ful than other people's. What insanity. Can you even comprehend how elitist this is? Can you comprehend how classically CULT
[FairfieldLife] She's Back!
Hey Judy, good to see you back from wherever you disappeared to. I see you have your mop and broom and Hoover. This place will be ship shape in no time. Look out all you dust bunnies and drain cloggers, Judy's arrived! Now you others, straighten your ties, button up your shirts and tuck them in or there'll be hell to pay. I missed you, woman. (Oops, my wig's askew.)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes to Turq
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: I think of her pretty much like Nabby, only with much, much less of the Schutzstaffel vibe. Meaning that I don't for a moment think that she's faking her blissninniness. It appears to have been going on so long now that I don't think she has a ghost of a chance of ever changing it, even if she wanted to. If I've had a purpose in ever commenting on her, it's to see if she is even capable of understanding how she sometimes comes across. Blissninniness? Don't see it. Moodmaking? Even less so. TBer? Sorry, no blind faith here. You, or I have no idea of the path that has brought her to her present outlook, except for the tidbits she has shared. But I see someone who has carefully considered each step on her path, and has likely endured many tests along the way. I nominate blissninniness as the word of the hour. Look at all those 'n's, how scrumptious.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes to Turq
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: snip Should I tell you what is best for you? No. Isn't that what you just spent three paragraphs doing? How so? No Steve, they are observations, questions for Share and imagined scenarios for alternative possibilities that I was asking for her feedback on. Are you saying that you don't recognize the same elements that I do with regard to what Share reveals about her life here? I believe that you are so ready and willing to jump on your white horse that you miss completely what is going on. You're in such a frenzy to defend her that you end up galloping right by having forgotten your saddle and your horse. I thoroughly recognize that all of us who possess a body and a brain will live our lives very differently and I honour that. I just wonder how aware Share might be of her motivation, or indeed, her perpetual merry-go-round of searching out a multitude of techniques and pseudo-spiritual teachings. Come on, can you not at least admit to wondering about all of this? Wondering, not judging or prescribing. I have my opinions but I am fully aware that that is all they are and probably have no relevance to her life. I just don't have the credentials for Share to give me one second of her attention or thought. I'm nobody. And anyway, she seems perfectly content to stay on her merry-go-round; she isn't ever going to get off until she falls off. (OK, saddle up and charge, I'm done.)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes to Turq
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: I think of her pretty much like Nabby, only with much, much less of the Schutzstaffel vibe. Meaning that I don't for a moment think that she's faking her blissninniness. It appears to have been going on so long now that I don't think she has a ghost of a chance of ever changing it, even if she wanted to. If I've had a purpose in ever commenting on her, it's to see if she is even capable of understanding how she sometimes comes across. Blissninniness? Don't see it. Moodmaking? Even less so. TBer? Sorry, no blind faith here. You, or I have no idea of the path that has brought her to her present outlook, except for the tidbits she has shared. But I see someone who has carefully considered each step on her path, and has likely endured many tests along the way. Yes. I don't know where people get this idea that Share is a blissninny. Not at all. I would say she has a positive, optimistic outlook but is not ignorant of, and does not ignore, the dark or more problematic side of things. She knows how to give sorrow its due. Share is, I can tell you, a serious individual who has thought deeply about many of the issues that we discuss on this forum. You are a good man, I like people who stand up for what they know to be true in their experience of others. For the record I have never called her a bliss ninny and don't believe her to be one. But then, you would know that from my posts.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes to Turq
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 wrote: (I'm gonna try to recreate this reply that Yahoo just ate) Ann, As I've mentioned several times over the last few days, I don't know Share personally. We've had a few infrequent offline communications, usually just a sentence or two. But we know that she was married, that she was a suburban housewife, that she's held various positions at MIU and MUM, that she's spent periods of time away from Fairfield. I think it's likely that she's done many of the things you list below. In fact rereading you list below, I bet she has done most of those things in one way or another. At some point you become comfortable in your own skin and routine. I see it in my wife who has her 60th birthday tomorrow. That's what I see in Share, and also someone still open to adventure. First of all Happy Birthday to your wife. Secondly, thank you for your reply. Thirdly, you must understand that I am not on any mission to change anyone or to ridicule them for the sake of being mean. I am simply curious about what makes people tick. Share does not appear to want to clarify on her behalf (like I said, I am nobody and she probably feels I am attacking her) so you have done as good a job as you are capable of given the limited amount of information you possess. Thank you for that. And thanks for taking the time to reply twice! Enjoy the birthday cake and give your wife a full body massage tomorrow with candles. It doesn't feel as good as getting one but she's sure to love it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: Thanks for giving your POV. To counter your core inaccuracy about me: I have strongly questioned TM, TMO, etc. In fact, I did just that when I left campus 10 years ago. Then there were 7 years when I was not in the Dome at all. In July 2009 there were 2 weeks when I did not do my sidhis because I was at a PKYC retreat and they asked me to restrict myself to TM only. During my 5 years with Waking Down I was in satsang with ex govs usually once a week and we were not talking about SCI. Though most of them reported continuing TM. All these different behaviors were accompanied by my questioning and being open to other systems. For me Share, here is my question. It is not so much that you seem so ensconced in TM and Program, the Domes and Fairfield Iowa and all that represents to you. No, for me it is more a question of would you ever consider just going it 'alone', without some alternative therapy, practice, New Age, or otherwise, path? You say you left FF, you left campus (scary) didn't go to the Dome (shocking), didn't practice your sidhis for two weeks (outrageous) but apparently from your description you were doing something else instead. From the frying pan into the fire; kind of like some people I know who are never without a relationship with someone of the opposite sex. They'll stick around, even if they're not happy, then abandon ship (current partner) when there is another vessel (potential partner) ready and waiting. They couldn't conceive of just existing as an autonomous, independent human being. I think I would just wonder if you ever ask yourself why you need something all the time, some teaching, some speaker, some new practice. Have you ever gone 'cold turkey' just to see if you could do it for sustained periods of time? Would you go crazy if you stopped meditating for six months? Would you ever conceive of living in San Francisco, for example, working some regular job and reading or hiking or writing in your spare time, leaving all esoteric and spiritual exploration behind? It's not like I'm suggesting you try becoming some low-living, heavy drinking carnivorous cretin. I'm simply wondering if you think you could survive in the real world? Of course, I realize your definition of 'real world' is very different from mine, or is it? Yes, I have an opinion of you; do I think you are a horrible human being? No. Do I think there are worse ways to live your life than you apparently live yours? Yes. Am I missing something here? Probably. Should I tell you what is best for you? No.  So my continuing group TMSP has been a deeply considered choice. In fact, after PKYC in July 2009, there was an actual moment when I had a choice to make: either continue with the PKYC program or with the TMSP. I chose the latter and continue to do so. Whatever the flaws of the research, I believe that doing TMSP in a group helps create world peace. And I also believe that this is my dharma in terms of paying off some heavy duty karmic debts from some of my previous lives. So it has nothing to do with being important. But everything to do with paying off those debts. As for all the people in the TMO I aim to have compassion. I think some of them are also
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: Thanks Judy. Also, I understand why Barry would view me as a cyberstalker based on what Knapp has stated about me. Plus, the only thing I've posted on this list in the last 1-1/2(?) years has been about Knapp. Duh. That's exactly it. You barged onto a forum that you have no other interest in EXCEPT as a means of getting someone you have a grudge against. I've never heard anything that Knapp said about you; I'm judging you because of *your* behavior. Let's, however, note that Barry had no objection to Lord Knows or Bill and Brahmi barging in and going after Robin. In fact, Barry, you loved it. What makes this so different between Carol and this Knapp dude? And I do find it a little funny to use the word barging when describing someone choosing to post onto a public world-wide forum as if it were some members-only exclusive private party. Barry may not recall that I had posted a few years prior that I was a teenage TMer and was looking at going to MMU. Then again, maybe he does recall, but I don't know why he would. It's been awhile. Barry doesn't give a shit. I've found both you AND your motives repulsive from Day One. Since Judy seems to believe that Wikipedia is to be trusted in all things, let's see what it has to say about cyberstalking, eh? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyberstalking Please note the parts about it being a criminal offense. Note also some of the typical behavior of cyberstalkers: * Attempts to gather information about the victim. Cyberstalkers may approach their victim's friends, family and work colleagues to obtain personal information. * Monitoring their target's online activities and attempting to trace their IP address in an effort to gather more information about their victims. * Encouraging others to harass the victim. Many cyberstalkers try to involve third parties in the harassment. They may claim the victim has harmed the stalker or his/her family in some way, or may post the victim's name and telephone number in order to encourage others to join the pursuit. You're an official Cyberstalker as far as I'm concerned, and that has *nothing* to do with how I feel about John Knapp. He may be the worst flake in the world, but *he* is not the person who has devoted the best part of a year to tracking his movements and his activities and trying anything she could to harm his reputation or to get him into trouble. You're a fuckin' loon. The only reason Judy is agreeing with you or supporting you is that she is a Cyberstalker, too, and John Knapp is one of *her* ongoing victims as well, because he was instrumental in revealing truths about the TM movement and Maharishi she would have preferred remain hidden. The only reason Nabby chimed in is because he also bears a grudge because of Knapp's TM whistleblowing, too. The three of you make a lovely group: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: At the end of December, 2012, I decided to bring forth Knapp's 2011 online defamatory posts aimed at myself and others. This link contains a table of contents to Knapp's posts that I am bringing forward. Please go away. You're a stalker. Nobody cares that you didn't like it when Knapp refused to continue working with you as a patient. I have no great love for John, but I can certainly see why he would have decided that. Barry, you know exactly nothing about this. What you think you know is wrong. Knapp is a potential menace to anyone considering counseling with him. Hopefully he's gone out of the therapy business for good. If so, anything Carol did to bring this about she should be congratulated for. It took more guts than you dream of having.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: Thanks Judy. Also, I understand why Barry would view me as a cyberstalker based on what Knapp has stated about me. Plus, the only thing I've posted on this list in the last 1-1/2(?) years has been about Knapp. Duh. That's exactly it. You barged onto a forum that you have no other interest in EXCEPT as a means of getting someone you have a grudge against. I've never heard anything that Knapp said about you; I'm judging you because of *your* behavior. Let's, however, note that Barry had no objection to Lord Knows or Bill and Brahmi barging in and going after Robin. In fact, Barry, you loved it. Please document this claim. I'll be happy to. Let's take a couple of these for example: post 316536 (Barry having his usual fun) post 316530 (promise to correspond more offline) post 316529 (another one of note) post 316459 (this one's a doozie) You will note that not only do you interact with LK you congratulate him on coming onto FFL and exposing Robin. In addition, the two of you agree to keep corresponding offline. I think this all qualifies as not only encouraging LK but congratulating him on using FFL as a means to bring up old, (way older than John Knapp's transgressions) quarter of a century old, history. You know Barry, it doesn't matter that you did this it only matters to me that you have such double standards AND don't admit it. I don't recall having interacted with the latter two at all or the first much, probably because of my basic lack of interest in Robin. What makes this so different between Carol and this Knapp dude? Well, for one thing, the people you mention dropped in to Fairfield Life, said what they had to say, and left. This Carol idiot has kept her vendetta against John Knapp alive for (it appears) over a year and a half. She has invaded several Internet forums to badmouth him, and may have been involved in trying to get him in trouble with his professional peers. Please bear in mind that I'm not in touch with John Knapp in any way. When he occasionally sends me invites to something on Facebook, I delete them without opening them; I'm simply not interested, either in the events or in John. Judy and Nabby and others might *imagine* a relationship between the two of us, because both of us hold the TMO in pretty low regard, but that's about the extent of our shared tastes or interests. It's the OBSESSION aspect of Carol's activities that turns me off, not the particular intended victim. To me, she came across since Day One of trying to get people on this forum to join her in dissing John as fuckin' out of control, obsessed with John Knapp, and willing to do pretty much *anything* to get him for whatever the perceived insult to her she can't get over was. As I remember it from the little I read of her original distasteful rants, all she claimed that he did was to tell her he wasn't going to work with her as her therapist any more. I wasn't interested in anything more about her ostensible motivations, because her whole VIBE was that of the Spurned Psychopath. So that's why I'm speaking up. I DON'T CARE about John Knapp. But I *do* care about obsessives trying to get the people they don't like, and turning their obsession into almost a full-time profession. This woman seems to have written literally thousands of Internet posts and blog posts trying to get her former cult (The Way International) and/or John Knapp. Having dealt with obsessive cyberstalkers before in my life, I hate when I see others being stalked by them. Speaking of obsessive psychopathic cyberstalkers, one will probably reply to this trying to turn this discussion into a demonization of John Knapp, and hoping (like Carol) to get as many people as possible involved in dumping on him and whatever wrongs they think he's done. So I'm replying at some length to make one thing clear -- I DON'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT JOHN KNAPP. I'M NOT SAYING THIS BECAUSE I LIKE HIM OR AM TRYING TO 'DEFEND' HIM. I'M SAYING IT BECAUSE I DISLIKE CYBERSTALKERS.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The perils of believing Wikipedia...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 wrote: Xeno, sounds like you and I are in for a fun conversation. How nice to have Judy's uplifting presence here again. Wikipedia says she was off getting a much-needed 500,000-mile snark tuneup. Now she's back, ready to give anyone who's ever committed the mortal sin of disagreeing with her what-for. :-) What a tool. And how utterly predictable... She sure doesn't seem to change. And okay, let me say it, not a word about what she did over this break. No obligation to do so, of course, but odd, nonetheless. No mention of yes, I spent time with my sister, or I decided to do a little traveling. Nothing. I did say I was going out of town; I guess you missed that. Actually I went to Fairfield and spent several days making mad passionate love with Buck in his barn. We didn't want anybody to know, but the last thing I want to do on FFL is to appear odd, so I hope he'll forgive me for spilling the beans. I can just see it now... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: Wrong. You are perhaps the individual who is the least insightful about what goes on between people that I have ever run across. You thought that comment was serious? Serious enough for me to make the point, Xeno. You've said as much in other ways. If I am the least insightful, who is the runner up? Steve. With that person, I could then perhaps have the most undiscerning conversation in history. One for the record books, opaque, unpenetrating blather and monumentally shallow. Funniest post we've had in a while here. http://youtu.be/oKdWbBnX3Uw
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: Let's, however, note that Barry had no objection to Lord Knows or Bill and Brahmi barging in and going after Robin. In fact, Barry, you loved it. Please document this claim. Ann has done exactly this. Will Barry admit it? Don't be ridiculous. I just love assigning homework to obsessives. It keeps them busy for hours, and then they feel so triumphant afterwards, as if the original idea was theirs. Thanks for jumping through hoops, girls. :-) What a funny one you are. I didn't jump through any hoops, just stepped over a couple of pebbles on my way to proving you wrong or purposefully lying - I don't know which, don't care. Have you any idea how much more attractive and worthy of respect you would be if you were to, just once, come clean and admit you made a mistake, said you were sorry for something/anything? Of course you will say you don't care what anyone thinks least of all me but it isn't me I'm talking about here. I'm not sure you'll 'get' that either.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: Let's, however, note that Barry had no objection to Lord Knows or Bill and Brahmi barging in and going after Robin. In fact, Barry, you loved it. Please document this claim. Ann has done exactly this. Will Barry admit it? Don't be ridiculous. I just love assigning homework to obsessives. It keeps them busy for hours, and then they feel so triumphant afterwards, as if the original idea was theirs. Thanks for jumping through hoops, girls. :-) Just for fun, and as an excuse to order a second cup of really *excellent* coffee here at a cafe I hadn't tried before, I'm going to explain the nature of the game to these gals, knowing in advance that they won't hear a word of the explanation, and that they'll fall for it again the next time I run it. More like: I feel the need to talk about myself because the world must be so interested in me and my motivations and the tricky little things I like to get up to because my life is otherwise a wasteland of internet surfing/forum stalking and television watching. Knowing that their mindset (Judy's originally, and Ann's because she's trying to emulate Judy) is to either 1) prove one of their perceived opponents WRONG, 2) prove themselves RIGHT, or 3) get the opponent to actually APOLOGIZE, what you do is assign them a task. Hopefully the task will involve digging into the past, hopefully for quite some time (so that they feel they've done their due diligence), at which point they trot out their research, hoping for the outcome they were looking for -- a win. Yes, I think it took me all of ten minutes, about the same amount of time it takes to clean two stalls in the morning. And I was curious to see if I had forgotten what and how much you had written to or about LK. I actually looked back at the older posts for me, not you, sorry. You just happened to have asked me to provide some evidence, which was no big deal. Two birds with one stone. And if, as you say, I have 'won' something I'm still waiting for the prize. So, hand it over. Oh yeah, this is the prize, seeing you squirm and back peddle like some crazy guy slurping coffee in a Dutch cafe. And then nothing happens. Oh yes it does, you continue to make posts like this that make you look like some infantile, insecure fool. I wouldn't call that 'nothing'. The only people they impress are those who think the same way they do, in terms of opponents and wins. They never notice that they've been assigned yet another make work project, and leapt upon it like salivating dogs. :-) Hee, hee, you are funny Barry, you do make me smile. I have a hard time salivating and laughing at the same time, always have. The thing is, I had *no earthly idea* whether I'd interacted with Lord Knows the way Ann said I had, and for a very simple reason -- nothing about Robin sticks in my memory, because nothing about him is interesting enough enough *to* stick in my memory. But I figured Ann wouldn't be able to resist, so I assigned her a task that she would believe that -- if she completed it -- she'd win. So she wasted a bunch of time trying to win, while I watched a couple of good TV series with my housemates. I leave it up to you to decide who won in this scenario, or whether winning is even possible. TV's just not my thing. Way too many good books to read, too many nice horses to ride, too much work to do. I don't have the luxury or the desire to sit in front of the television set so obviously I don't think of it as the best use of my time. But I could imagine, other than the amount of time you have spent on internet forums, that this is one of your favourite, productive things to do with your life - oh, other than walking the occasional dog. Both of the TV shows were finds I discovered on a UK list of best TV of 2012. These shows have not (to my knowledge) been aired in the US, although they might someday, so I'll tell you about them just in case they are. The first was an episode of a series called Accused. As I understand it (having seen no other episodes but the one I watched), it's...uh...non-episodic, in that there are no continuing characters or plotlines. Each week's episode is standalone. The one that got flagged as among the best of the year got that honor because it starred Sean Bean (from LotR and Game Of Thrones) *as a transvestite*. The reviewer called his performance -- dressed in complete drag, and looking remarkably like...uh...a man dressed in drag, whom no one on earth would ever mistake for a woman -- a career best. She was right. The second was a mini-series (two 90-minute episodes) called Restless. What drew me
[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of innocence in India
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason wrote: The death of innocence in India Or, The Innocence That Never Was. Thanks for posting, grim statistics indeed. Express News Service - NEW DELHI 30th December 2012 10:12 AM We call her Mother India. Yet, a survey conducted by 'Thomson Reuters' Trust' reveals that India is at par with Afghanistan, Congo and Somalia as one of the world's most dangerous places for women. In 2004, a woman was raped every 54 minutes. Today, it is every 20 minutes -- with 26,280 rapes a year. National Crime Records Bureau statistics showed that between 1953 and 2011, rape is India's fastest growing crime: thrice more than all cognisable offences, growing three-and-a-half times faster than murder. As the Indian woman becomes more aware, educated and employed, the resentment against her in a society governed by patriarchal values has grown. Delhi, the national showpiece whose citizens spend the most among other cities, and on which Rs 28,054 crore was splurged on upgradation ahead of the controversial Commonwealth Games, is also India's rape capital with 572 cases reported in 2011, around 1.8 times more than Mumbai. The number has gone up to 635 this year -- a rape every 14 hours. newindianexpress.com/nation/article1400249.ece
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: Swear to God I made my post before reading yours, Ann. I just finished reading yours and knew that immediately. Then, of course, I got to thinking about the concept of synchronicity. Or maybe just great minds... and hearts. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: Let's, however, note that Barry had no objection to Lord Knows or Bill and Brahmi barging in and going after Robin. In fact, Barry, you loved it. Please document this claim. Ann has done exactly this. Will Barry admit it? Don't be ridiculous. I just love assigning homework to obsessives. It keeps them busy for hours, and then they feel so triumphant afterwards, as if the original idea was theirs. Thanks for jumping through hoops, girls. :-) Just for fun, and as an excuse to order a second cup of really *excellent* coffee here at a cafe I hadn't tried before, I'm going to explain the nature of the game to these gals, knowing in advance that they won't hear a word of the explanation, and that they'll fall for it again the next time I run it. More like: I feel the need to talk about myself because the world must be so interested in me and my motivations and the tricky little things I like to get up to because my life is otherwise a wasteland of internet surfing/forum stalking and television watching. Knowing that their mindset (Judy's originally, and Ann's because she's trying to emulate Judy) is to either 1) prove one of their perceived opponents WRONG, 2) prove themselves RIGHT, or 3) get the opponent to actually APOLOGIZE, what you do is assign them a task. Hopefully the task will involve digging into the past, hopefully for quite some time (so that they feel they've done their due diligence), at which point they trot out their research, hoping for the outcome they were looking for -- a win. Yes, I think it took me all of ten minutes, about the same amount of time it takes to clean two stalls in the morning. And I was curious to see if I had forgotten what and how much you had written to or about LK. I actually looked back at the older posts for me, not you, sorry. You just happened to have asked me to provide some evidence, which was no big deal. Two birds with one stone. And if, as you say, I have 'won' something I'm still waiting for the prize. So, hand it over. Oh yeah, this is the prize, seeing you squirm and back peddle like some crazy guy slurping coffee in a Dutch cafe. And then nothing happens. Oh yes it does, you continue to make posts like this that make you look like some infantile, insecure fool. I wouldn't call that 'nothing'. The only people they impress are those who think the same way they do, in terms of opponents and wins. They never notice that they've been assigned yet another make work project, and leapt upon it like salivating dogs. :-) Hee, hee, you are funny Barry, you do make me smile. I have a hard time salivating and laughing at the same time, always have. The thing is, I had *no earthly idea* whether I'd interacted with Lord Knows the way Ann said I had, and for a very simple reason -- nothing about Robin sticks in my memory, because nothing about him is interesting enough enough *to* stick in my memory. But I figured Ann wouldn't be able to resist, so I assigned her a task that she would believe that -- if she completed it -- she'd win. So she wasted a bunch of time trying to win, while I watched a couple of good TV series with my housemates. I leave it up to you to decide who won in this scenario, or whether winning is even possible. TV's just not my thing. Way too many good books to read, too many nice horses to ride, too much work to do. I don't have the luxury or the desire to sit in front of the television set so obviously I don't think of it as the best use of my time. But I could imagine, other than the amount of time you have spent on internet forums, that this is one of your favourite, productive things to do with your life - oh, other than walking the occasional dog. Both of the TV shows were finds I discovered on a UK list of best TV of 2012. These shows have not (to my knowledge) been aired in the US, although they might someday, so I'll tell you about them just in case they are. The first was an episode of a series called Accused. As I understand it (having seen no other episodes but the one I watched), it's...uh...non-episodic
[FairfieldLife] Re: Portlandia season 3 tonight to judy PS Carol B2
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: You're welcome Share. There are more similar(?) stories to Knapp's at the Trancenet site here: http://minet.org/www.trancenet.net/personal/index.shtml A bit more about Trancenet: http://minet.org/www.trancenet.net/trancenet.shtml I don't know that much about Trancenet; only what I've read online and what others have stated/written about it. The folks on FFL that have been around awhile know more about it than I do. I'm pretty much an outsider in that regard. Dear Carol, You kinda bust on here. Do you meditate? Are you a meditator? Just wondering, -Buck God Buck, don't be so lazy. Read her posts. What, did you just spend two days in a soybean field? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: Plus Judy according to archives I actually did thank you after your first post: 331545 your first post to me 331556 my response to you which ends with a thank you, albeit a gingerly given thanks, like sticking my big toe in the water to check the temp. I have been gingerly communicating with Ravi also. Next, Alex also gives me info about this topic. Then 331561 your second and last post to me about all this. Then Bhairitu offers info about all this. Thank you. Carol, thank you for info about JK. His descriptions of the TMO match my experiences by about 10% if that! Very strange. Whew! From: authfriend To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 5, 2013 5:18 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Portlandia season 3 tonight to judy  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: Judy, no slight intended at all. I do try to limit myself to 7 posts per day and I had some long outstanding posts that I wanted to answer. One was to Alex so I simply did 3 thanks in one to him. One thank you to him was long overdue. OK, Share, thanks. And I appreciated when you took up for me with turq. Though I will admit that my first reaction to that was huh? Anyway, thank you thank you thank youàFrom: authfriend To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 5, 2013 3:41 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Portlandia season 3 tonight to j alex stan à--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: Alex thx so much for this and for another recent post wherein you explained electronic mailing list to me. Hmmm. But no thanks to Judy for having taken two posts to explain to you in some detail the structure and terminology of FFL's Web interface. That's pretty funny, Share. So subtle you are!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Portlandia season 3 tonight to judy PS Carol B2
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Dear Carol, You kinda bust on here. Do you meditate? Are you a meditator? Just wondering, -Buck God Buck, don't be so lazy. Read her posts. What, did you just spend two days in a soybean field? Give him a break, Ann. His exploits with me in the stable over Christmas took a lot out of him, and he hasn't quite recovered yet. Riiigght, I forgot. That little billy goat looked quite overwhelmed by that minx I saw in that paparazzi photo of you two. I'll cut him some slack this time but next tryst, go a little easier on him. He's just a simple country boy and you are this cosmo city slicker; you done plum wore him out.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Portlandia season 3 tonight to judy PS Carol B2
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Dear Carol, You kinda bust on here. Do you meditate? Are you a meditator? Just wondering, -Buck God Buck, don't be so lazy. Read her posts. What, did you just spend two days in a soybean field? Give him a break, Ann. His exploits with me in the stable over Christmas took a lot out of him, and he hasn't quite recovered yet. That is funny. Who did you pick-up? I'm sure you wore him out. But, I don't got a stable. I determined a long time ago I was not going to spend my precious time on this planet shoveling out stalls. Stables are mostly a waste of money, life and generally dement good horses. Naw, I'd rather shovel shit any day over sitting with my eyes closed. Stalls don't drive horses crazy as long as they get out every day. Your horses probably have never seen a blanket either, cooler or otherwise. Just ride 'em hard and put 'em away wet. Give them round bales to eat and snow to drink in the winter. No shoes and self trim I bet. Vaccinations, worming, teeth floating? Naw, that's for sissy horses. Dang, I would have bought you a coffee had I known you were in town. And of course coffee on me for anybody else on FFL who comes to visit FF. But ask Judy about getting hooked up in FF. -Buck in the Dome
[FairfieldLife] Re: Portlandia season 3 tonight to judy PS Carol B2
Read her posts Buck, you lazy bugger. Then you'll see she did practice TM. God, you're idiotic sometimes not to mention robotic. Judy, I hope he was better in the hayloft than he is intellectually. Or maybe it's his body of Adonis because it sure isn't his rapier intellect. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Carol, you really should learn TM, there's some really useful spiritual instruction in it. Even learn the TM checking notes and become a meditation checker too. Then the Patanjali technique kind of puts it all together, TM and buddhistic together. Actually the last technique Maharishi was working on before he died was a real nice blend of transcending and mindfulness. It was very subtle. Well, it was working on the subtle bodies in effect. It all certainly was there but don't get too distracted by Knapp. There's much larger things at stake. Most of us just filter the dissonance and take what is particularly good. Like a great saint once said when asked about the TM movement, If you find a diamond in a pile of shit, take the diamond and wash it off. -Buck in the Dome --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: Hey Buck, I'm not sure what kind of bust means. By meditate, if you are asking if I practice mantra based meditation? No. I endeavor to practice mindfulness. I do some other practices of focusing in my heart area and on my breath. I gather from some of your posts here that you might live in Fairfield and visit the dome(s)and have been a long-time meditator? So, you don't practice a transcending meditation as part of your mindfulness. Hey Nablusoss, we got another buddhist here on the list. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: You're welcome Share. There are more similar(?) stories to Knapp's at the Trancenet site here: http://minet.org/www.trancenet.net/personal/index.shtml A bit more about Trancenet: http://minet.org/www.trancenet.net/trancenet.shtml I don't know that much about Trancenet; only what I've read online and what others have stated/written about it. The folks on FFL that have been around awhile know more about it than I do. I'm pretty much an outsider in that regard. Dear Carol, You kinda bust on here. Do you meditate? Are you a meditator? Just wondering, -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: Plus Judy according to archives I actually did thank you after your first post: 331545 your first post to me 331556 my response to you which ends with a thank you, albeit a gingerly given thanks, like sticking my big toe in the water to check the temp. I have been gingerly communicating with Ravi also. Next, Alex also gives me info about this topic. Then 331561 your second and last post to me about all this. Then Bhairitu offers info about all this. Thank you. Carol, thank you for info about JK. His descriptions of the TMO match my experiences by about 10% if that! Very strange. Whew! From: authfriend To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 5, 2013 5:18 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Portlandia season 3 tonight to judy  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: Judy, no slight intended at all. I do try to limit myself to 7 posts per day and I had some long outstanding posts that I wanted to answer. One was to Alex so I simply did 3 thanks in one to him. One thank you to him was long overdue. OK, Share, thanks. And I appreciated when you took up for me with turq. Though I will admit that my first reaction to that was huh? Anyway, thank you thank you thank youàFrom: authfriend To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 5, 2013 3:41 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Portlandia season 3 tonight to j alex stan à--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: Alex thx so much for this and for another recent post wherein you explained electronic mailing list to me. Hmmm. But no thanks to Judy for having taken two posts to explain to you in some detail the structure and terminology of FFL's Web interface. That's pretty funny, Share. So subtle you are!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Portlandia season 3 tonight to judy PS Carol B2
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: Read her posts Buck, you lazy bugger. Then you'll see she did practice TM. God, you're idiotic sometimes not to mention robotic. Judy, I hope he was better in the hayloft than he is intellectually. Or maybe it's his body of Adonis because it sure isn't his rapier intellect. Nope. Buck's intellect is fine. He's just under a lot of pressure. Judy made him stop dating otters. Oh, that explains it - after all, did you see how cute that otter's face was? Although I was sure it was a mink(x).
[FairfieldLife] Re: Portlandia season 3 tonight to judy PS Carol B2
God, is no one safe? This is a real domino effect; having to to use anti cult groups to get free from the anti-cult group to get free from the... Look out Share, someday you may need one of these to get free. (No offense meant Carol, but life seems so absurd sometimes.) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: Hey Raunchydog... You asked if it was TM or something else that precipitated my need to hire Knapp. I did not hire Knapp due to my short TM involvement in the mid 1970s. I hired Knapp in 2008 *specifically* due to my involvement with an anti-cult group which I got involved with in 2006 after leaving a fundamentalist-type Bible org, The Way International. I was involved with The Way from 1977 through 2005. Left The Way and got involved with the anti-Way group which ended up similar to The Way (false accusations, paranoia, us/them, black/white thinking type stuff)...just on the other side; ie: anti instead of pro. Knapp seemed to offer a kind of middle road to try to help me make sense of my entanglement when I found him in 2008. I have an introductory overview to my general Knapp timeline here: http://tossandripple.blogspot.com/p/december-2012-over-next-month-or-so-i.html This FFL Knapp discussion has ended up on two different threads...thus part of the context is missing in this thread. I responded in this thread to one of Share's Knapp comments in this thread, and thus the subject came up here. (Not saying anything is wrong with that, but rather that is how it ended up on this thread.) The 'Knapp' thread is here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/331516 Cheers... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: Thanks for the suggestion Buck, but I'm currently not in the market. I actually learned TM back in 1975 when I was a teenager. I did my 2 X 20 + more for about 1-1/2 years. Took SCI and volunteered at the TM Center. Then I moved along. So, what does kind of bust mean? Carol, I'm not clear on the timeline of your involvement with Knapp and maybe you wrote about this and I missed it. According to the link below, Knapp got his LMSW in 2005. Since you only practiced TM for a short while 75-76, you must have seen Knapp as a client quite a few years later. It doesn't make sense that TM precipitated your need to hire him. Was it TM or something else? http://www.nysed.gov/coms/op001/opsc2a?profcd=72plicno=071643namechk=KNA --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Carol, you really should learn TM, there's some really useful spiritual instruction in it. Even learn the TM checking notes and become a meditation checker too. Then the Patanjali technique kind of puts it all together, TM and buddhistic together. Actually the last technique Maharishi was working on before he died was a real nice blend of transcending and mindfulness. It was very subtle. Well, it was working on the subtle bodies in effect. It all certainly was there but don't get too distracted by Knapp. There's much larger things at stake. Most of us just filter the dissonance and take what is particularly good. Like a great saint once said when asked about the TM movement, If you find a diamond in a pile of shit, take the diamond and wash it off. -Buck in the Dome --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: Hey Buck, I'm not sure what kind of bust means. By meditate, if you are asking if I practice mantra based meditation? No. I endeavor to practice mindfulness. I do some other practices of focusing in my heart area and on my breath. I gather from some of your posts here that you might live in Fairfield and visit the dome(s)and have been a long-time meditator? So, you don't practice a transcending meditation as part of your mindfulness. Hey Nablusoss, we got another buddhist here on the list. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: You're welcome Share. There are more similar(?) stories to Knapp's at the Trancenet site here: http://minet.org/www.trancenet.net/personal/index.shtml A bit more about Trancenet: http://minet.org/www.trancenet.net/trancenet.shtml I don't know that much about Trancenet; only what I've read online and what others have stated/written about it. The folks on FFL that have been around awhile know more about it than I do. I'm pretty much an
[FairfieldLife] Re: Portlandia season 3 tonight to judy PS Carol B2
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: Hey Buck, I'm not sure what kind of bust means. By meditate, if you are asking if I practice mantra based meditation? No. I endeavor to practice mindfulness. I do some other practices of focusing in my heart area and on my breath. I gather from some of your posts here that you might live in Fairfield and visit the dome(s)and have been a long-time meditator? So, you don't practice a transcending meditation as part of your mindfulness. Hey Nablusoss, we got another buddhist here on the list. There are souls lost in confusion here there and everywhere my friend. A sure sign of Kali Yuga :-) Yep, so no longer a practitioner. Is both a TM and a TMorg apostate. Non-meditator. Quitter. It's official: I am a rabid Buck apostate. Thanks for helping me come to my senses.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: You're right Barry...I don't have much else to say on this board other than the Knapp subject. Again, I haven't cyberstalked. But I addressed your similar allegations earlier asking you for documentation of your allegations against me. You chose to not respond. Carol, it's his way of feeling like he has the upper hand. If you open yourself up to Barry he just can't wait to get in there and punch you where he knows it can hurt. He is very stuck in his morass of bitterness and he attempts to bring people down to his level of unhappiness. Give him no attention and do not think for one moment he has your best interests, or anyones for that matter, at heart - if he indeed has a heart. If you want to talk about John Knapp go ahead but I feel you have put enough information out there for people to do some research on their own and frankly, I doubt any of the active posters here are in danger of falling into any of his 'traps'. But if we can talk about crop circles and the Maharish Effect here at FFL we can certainly talk about disgraced cult de-programmers. You just keep talking until you feel you don't want to anymore. If people don't want to read what you say, then they can skip it but don't let anyone silence you. * --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 wrote: This one thread, devoted to documenting how awful a person John Knapp is, is becoming very tedious. Perhaps Carol could find something else to obsess on. I am no fan of John Knapp, but I imagine that he had good intentions to begin with. Then something went wrong and perhaps he didn't cope with it well, and that led to something else, and so on. It's time to leave this guy alone. Yeah, like that's gonna happen. This place is like heaven on earth for cyberstalkers, especially if the stalkee is male, and *very* especially if a number of people hold a grudge against him anyway for his feelings about TM and Maharishi. This particular cyberstalker accomplished her purpose. She got a bunch of people badmouthing her intended victim. My bet is that she'll leave if they stop, because she doesn't really have anything else to say.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: Fe-ic!:-) ??? My guess: of or pertaining to iron, i.e., irony Smart man. I didn't get it either until you just pointed it out.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Typology
You are a judgmental fool Buck. You are missing so much of life and, with luck, one day before you are dead you will realize it. You are a quitter of reality. You have chosen to hide your silly head in the sand of some mediocre imagined utopia. Dream and proselytize away. In the end, you will be just some dogmatic guy who missed the train which could have actually taken you away from your small, dogmatic world. No one is a quitter in the sense you mean here but you are well on the way to becoming a loser. Take heed, buddy. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Om, a non-practitioner both a TM and a TMorg apostate. A quitter. No longer a practitioner both a TM and a TMorg apostate. The non-meditator quitter. The Fallen Away: Mercy unto you, and peace, and love, be multiplied. Long have ye sat beneath the sound of thy salvation loud, And still how weak thy faith is found And knowledge of thy Self. How cold and feeble is thy love! How negligent thy fears! How long thy hope of joys abound, How few affections here. Show thy forgetful feet the way That lead to joys on high, Where knowledge grows with out decay And love shall never die. -Buck
[FairfieldLife] Re: Turq's Occult Theory Of What Motivates Cyberstalkers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: Since I'm obviously one of the people Barry is libeling with the term cyberstalker, I can remember when you used to work out what time Barry made his first post of the day, you'd then triumphantly post this fact as though it proved some point. Dead creepy behaviour, kind of worrying you don't have the self-awareness to realise it. Maybe Carol shouldn't take your analyses at face value? Hmmm...besides the tracking of what time I get up in the morning, what *else* might indicate that Judy is a...uh...bit of a cyberstalker? Let's see... Oh, I've got it. In her 7.7 years on Fairfield Life, Judy has made around 22,600 posts, an average of over eight posts a day. Of those posts, the number that contain either Barry or Turq or TurquoiseB, meaning that she was either talking about me or replying to something I posted or replying to something that someone else posted about me was 7,626 posts. That means that she's spent 33.74% of her entire history of posts on FFL obsessing about me. Nope...certainly no evidence of stalking there, eh? :-) Talk about drama queens Barry. Not one person here can possibly be taking you seriously about this matter of Judy 'cyberstalking' you - for lots of reasons. The term cyberstalking coming from you is like the words psychological rape coming from Share. These, while you both might think are accurate descriptions of what happen/happened to you, are overly dramatic, almost laughable characterizations. You are using this term 'cyberstalking' to gain attention and create a kind of camraderie of sympathy for yourself; this alone is rather pathetic for a grown man who likes to portray himself as not giving a shit about virtually anything in this life. Cyberstalking implies you are in some sort of danger, that you are a victim of horribly unwarranted attention and harassment. It implies you have done nothing to deserve or warrant this terrible crime against yourself; that you are helpless, that you, in no way, have brought any of this upon yourself. Give me, and the rest of us, a fucking break. No one is losing a moment of sleep worrying about poor harassed, stalked and victimized Barry Wright so why don't you drop it and find where you left your man panties and pull them back on. Move along, no one's buying it. But Carol is a bit creepy too, she turns up here simply to rubbish someone who isn't around to defend themselves to a bunch of people with - what? a presumed shared dislike of TM? Is that what this is about, TM gets criticised here and J Knapp does some criticising too so therefore there must be something deficient with TM critics? Or does she assume we are all good mates and is trying to drive a presumed wedge between anyone who might have TM-free sympathies? Whatever it is, it doesn't come across as a public service announcement, more like some revenge fantasy. The only thing that's obvious is that she needs more therapy to work out why she behaves in this peculiar way. I fear that getting Judy on her side will only entrench it, you don't find healthy closure from someone who has to work out what time her enemies get out of bed in the morning when they live on the other side of the atlantic.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The real armageddon....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: It would be real nice to get the Dome numbers of people meditating up before this happens. Yes, they will provide the human shield necessary to divert the object. Good thinking Buck. **!The sky is Falling!** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 wrote: I can say with a high degree of confidence that this is how the world ends, maybe not with this particular asteroid, this particular time but someday. For a start, it's happened before - a good many times and with a great deal of mass extinction. Sure, every time a big one hits there's one less big one *to* hit but just in my life there have been several instances of previously unknown asteroids crossing between the Earth and Moon. In 1989 one that, had it been travelling one millionth of a mile an hour slower, would have hit in the middle of the atlantic and set off every volcano and earthquake faultline on earth, not to mention swamping Europe, Africa and the America's with the resulting tsunami. Hardly a rare occurrence then but something to loose sleep over? Not for me but just think, there were three in the last century that struck land, one in Siberia, one in Arabia and one in south America. No known casualties but there was massive destruction in each case. Millions of felled trees in Tunguska, a desert melted into glass in Arabia. I often wonder what would have happened at the height of the cold war if, say, New York or Moscow had been suddenly vapourised by an incoming comet. Would the powers that be been able to stop themselves retaliating against the mistaken foe? Most of these things are unknown before they flash by close enough to part our hair, cosmically speaking, without us being aware of their existence - except this one. Anyway, it's all just something to help keep life in perspective Apophis a 'potentially hazardous' asteroid flies by Earth on Wednesday Asteroid Apophis arrives this week for a close pass of Earth. This isn't the end of the world but a new beginning for research into potentially hazardous asteroids [A computer generated image of a near Earth asteroid] A computer-generated image of a near-Earth asteroid. Astronomers will get a close-up view of Apophis on Wednesday. Photograph: Planetary Resources/EPA Apophis hit the headlines in December 2004. Six months after its discovery, astronomers had accrued enough images to calculate a reasonable orbit for the 300-metre chunk of space rock. What they saw was shocking. There was a roughly 1 in 300 chance of the asteroid hitting Earth during April 2029. Nasa issued a press release spurring astronomers around the world to take more observations in order to refine the orbit. Far from dropping, however, the chances of an impact on (you've guessed it) Friday 13 April 2029 actually rose. By Christmas Day 2004, the chance of the 2029 impact was 1 in 45 and things were looking serious. Then, on 27 December astronomers had a stroke of luck. Looking back through previous images, they found one from March on which the asteroid had been captured but had gone unnoticed. This significantly improved the orbital calculation and the chances of the 2029 impact dropped to essentially zero. However, the small chance of an impact in 2036 opened up and remains open today . While there is no cause for alarm, similarly there is no room for complacency either. Apophis remains on the list of Potentially Hazardous Asteroids compiled by the International Astronomical Union's Minor Planet Center. Although most asteroids are found in the belt of space between Mars and Jupiter, not all of them reside there. Apophis belongs to a group known as theAten family . These do not belong to the asteroid belt and spend most of their time inside the orbit of the Earth, placing them between our planet and the sun. That makes them particularly dangerous because they spend the majority of their orbit close to the sun, whose overwhelming glare obscures them to telescopes on Earth rather like a second world war fighter ace approaching out of the sun. Having crossed outside Earth's orbit, Apophis will appear briefly in the night-time sky. Wednesday 9 January will afford astronomers the rare opportunity to bring a battery of telescopes to bear: from optical telescopes to radio telescopes to the European Space Agency's Infrared Space Observatory Herschel. Two of the biggest unknowns that remain to be established are the asteroid's mass and the way it is spinning. Both of these affect the asteroid's orbit and without them, precise calculations cannot be made. Another unknown is the way sunlight affects the asteroid's orbit, either through heating the
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: Love it Doc. Here's another: the students entered the classroom for their final exam in Philosophy 101. On the board was one word: Why? The only student who received an A+ for the course was the student who wrote: Why not? There must have been at least half the class who would have written that, it is so obvious. I would have, wouldn't you? From: doctordumbass@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 6, 2013 11:02 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews  I was inspired by a story I read years ago about the world's shortest written conversation, and I think it was between Proust and his publisher. Proust sent a telegram to his publisher, inquiring about the success of a book, consisting of the single character, ?. The publisher then replied, !. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: Fe-ic!:-) ??? My guess: of or pertaining to iron, i.e., irony Smart man. I didn't get it either until you just pointed it out. Nor did I. I refer to the version of it that afflicts Barry as inadvertent Fe-y, but that's giving him the benefit of the doubt, which I suspect he doesn't deserve. I think he knows when he's being hypocritical and simply hopes nobody else will notice. The real Fe-y is that it's so painfully obvious.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Turq's Occult Theory Of What Motivates Cyberstalkers
Unlike your impression on Carol's post Sal, I don't think she was being sarcastic. Read it again. She just doesn't want to take your unfriendly comments lying down and is merely stating it like she thinks it is. Sal, you do come on pretty strong sometimes and I can't figure out why it happens when it does. Whatever transgressions or ways in which various people (myself included) piss you off you come on like a house on fire. Certainly you realize a natural initial reaction by someone who feels another poster is attacking them is to stand up straighter and bring up their shield, if not their sword. So why use an AK 47 when a pop gun will suffice? Carol doesn't strike me as someone who is going to take any shit. she's probably already done that enough. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: Hey Saly.. Thanks for you analysis. But, like Barry, you know little and almost nothing about me or the situation. If you bothered to read before throwing out your analysis, maybe you could state some criticism that is factual and holds some weight. I'm not out to get anyone on my side. Regardless, as I stated to Barry, your impression is noted. As far as Knapp not being around to defend himself, he can come here and defend himself if he so desires; it's a public board. All that said, the Knapp discussion is pretty much dead at this point...except that you bring it up here. Combining yours and Barry's labels toward me, I am a creepy loon. Loons fly, they don't creep. Happy 2013... ** Sarcasm doesn't become you. You can get as arch as you want about being called creepy, unless you're saying you *didn't* turn up here just to slag off someone who doesn't even post here just to get your grudge viewed far and wide by anyone who might have had contact with J Knapp. The fact you aren't talking about that any more is irrelevant to my or anyone's opinion of your motives in your first posts, you understand yes? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: Since I'm obviously one of the people Barry is libeling with the term cyberstalker, I can remember when you used to work out what time Barry made his first post of the day, you'd then triumphantly post this fact as though it proved some point. Dead creepy behaviour, kind of worrying you don't have the self-awareness to realise it. Maybe Carol shouldn't take your analyses at face value? But Carol is a bit creepy too, she turns up here simply to rubbish someone who isn't around to defend themselves to a bunch of people with - what? a presumed shared dislike of TM? Is that what this is about, TM gets criticised here and J Knapp does some criticising too so therefore there must be something deficient with TM critics? Or does she assume we are all good mates and is trying to drive a presumed wedge between anyone who might have TM-free sympathies? Whatever it is, it doesn't come across as a public service announcement, more like some revenge fantasy. The only thing that's obvious is that she needs more therapy to work out why she behaves in this peculiar way. I fear that getting Judy on her side will only entrench it, you don't find healthy closure from someone who has to work out what time her enemies get out of bed in the morning when they live on the other side of the atlantic.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Turq's Occult Theory Of What Motivates Cyberstalkers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote: Right on! When they were small, they were better - I'm a chai guy - Oregon Chai - for me, tea has a less 'electric' buzz than coffee... Right on Doc. I'm a chai guyess. Has to be a latte though. Starbucks chai's are fine but I like to drink at the independent coffee shops. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn wrote: Starbucks - terrible coffee.  No flavor, no nuance, no aroma, no taste.  From: doctordumbass@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 7, 2013 2:35 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Turq's Occult Theory Of What Motivates Cyberstalkers  Speaking of addicts, drive past a Starbucks on a rainy workday morning at 5:30 AM, and the cars are lined up around the building, waiting for the needle. Its pretty creepy! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn wrote: You are right, and I misstated your name and used the word life instead of like - it was before I had experienced the psychoactive effect of the coffee I drink every morning, like a good addict should. àAt least, that's the best excuse I can come up with for now. àI'm sorry. àFrom: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 7, 2013 10:17 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Turq's Occult Theory Of What Motivates Cyberstalkers à--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn wrote: Not to worry, Carol. ÃâàI've been called creepy too. ÃâàSal and Barry are exercising double standards - it's O.K. for them to trash TM and TM-doers repeatedly, Erm, who does this? but not O.K. for you to post a balanced review of your experience with Mr. Knapp and his counseling services. ÃâàMakes no sense at all. ÃâàGlad you showed up here and post as much and about whatever you life as often as you like. ÃâàThere is nothing but benefit to be gained by multiple perspectives. ÃâàÃâàFrom: Carol To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 7, 2013 7:09 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Turq's Occult Theory Of What Motivates Cyberstalkers ÃâàHey Saly.. Thanks for you analysis. But, like Barry, you know little and almost nothing about me or the situation. If you bothered to read before throwing out your analysis, maybe you could state some criticism that is factual and holds some weight. I'm not out to get anyone on my side. Regardless, as I stated to Barry, your impression is noted. As far as Knapp not being around to defend himself, he can come here and defend himself if he so desires; it's a public board. All that said, the Knapp discussion is pretty much dead at this point...except that you bring it up here. Combining yours and Barry's labels toward me, I am a creepy loon. Loons fly, they don't creep. Happy 2013... ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: Since I'm obviously one of the people Barry is libeling with the term cyberstalker, I can remember when you used to work out what time Barry made his first post of the day, you'd then triumphantly post this fact as though it proved some point. Dead creepy behaviour, kind of worrying you don't have the self-awareness to realise it. Maybe Carol shouldn't take your analyses at face value? But Carol is a bit creepy too, she turns up here simply to rubbish someone who isn't around to defend themselves to a bunch of people with - what? a presumed shared dislike of TM? Is that what this is about, TM gets criticised here and J Knapp does some criticising too so therefore there must be something deficient with TM critics? Or does she assume we are all good mates and is trying to drive a presumed wedge between anyone who might have TM-free sympathies? Whatever it is, it doesn't come across as a public service announcement, more like some revenge fantasy. The only thing that's obvious is that she needs more therapy to work out why she behaves in this peculiar way. I fear that getting Judy on her side will only entrench it, you don't find healthy closure from someone who has to work out what time her enemies get out of bed in the morning when they live on the other side of the atlantic.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Holding Internet Grudges A Form Of PTSD?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote: Other side of the wall, AGAIN, Barry. Geez, you are one imprisoned soul. Turn around 180 degrees, as I suggested earlier, watch yet another movie, or TV show, or drink some psychoactive coffee (did you know coffee is the most widely used psychoactive substance on earth?), or have a beer, or visit a hooker. Anything to prevent you from facing the world which upsets you continuously. It is one thing to complain and insult and whine, but the real difference between you and most others who find something to whine about, is the others Get-Over-It. You seem to be so lost in complaining, insulting and whining, that you would rather do that, than getting off that soft, lily-white ass of yours, and doing something about it. Note: Doing something about it means not spending all day pouring over statistics in the FFL archives to yet make a larger complaint. Try facing the REAL world, Barry, where the rest of us live. PS You'll know the difference because life experiences don't begin with a title, and end with rolling credits. You'll figure it out after awhile. Will you marry me? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: In studies I've read recently, researchers have found that those who score highly on a scale of neurotic behavior have a significantly higher risk of developing PTSD if exposed to a traumatic event. In the study, neuroticism was defined as a type of personality behavior in which people experience high degrees of anxiety in response to everyday events, and thus tend to overreact to those ordinary events. The hypothesis was that this tendency to overreact to the ordinary might put them at risk of developing PTSD if they were exposed to an extraordinary traumatic event. Well, the data backed that hypothesis up -- the neurotics *were* more likely to develop PTSD. PTSD is a disorder in which people are trapped in an endless loop of dwelling on and flashing back to the past. Some event triggered an initial reaction to the event, but this reaction fails to fade. It may, in fact, become stronger as time passes, and become very much an overreaction, leading to panic attacks, nightmares, sleep disorders, and resulting in the PTSD sufferers becoming easily startled and prone to emotional outbursts. They dwell on the past, can't get over it, and often attempt to get others to dwell on the same past, to as it were share the misery. Now extrapolate these findings to the Internet, and behavior we see there. Most people are non-neurotic in their everyday Net behavior. Sure, they might get pissed off about something someone says and go FLAME ON for a few posts, but then the next day it's forgotten, and both the flamer and the flamee are having civilized conversations again. Others hang on to perceived affronts longer. In other words, they start to display neurotic behavior, taking an ordinary event and turning it into a Big Fucking Deal, one that they just can't get over. So they may stay in FLAME ON mode for longer than the non-neurotic Net denizens -- a week, or occasionally a couple of weeks. Then there are the ones who hold onto perceived affronts for years. They turn them into vendettas, pursuing the supposed perpetrator of the original affront in thread after thread, even the ones that have nothing to do with whatever was originally considered an affront. They actively attempt to persuade others to dwell on this past affront the way they do, often citing posts *from* the past and encouraging others to read them, so that they can become as affronted by and unable to get over something that happened in the past as the grudgeholder is. Whatever precipitated the original affront, the grudgeholders continue to overreact to any mention of it, or any contact with the supposed perpetrator of the affront as if it happened minutes ago, not years ago. At times it feels -- vibe-wise -- as if they're having actual *flashbacks* of the original event, reliving the emotions it provoked for them in the past all over again. This last behavior strikes me as the Net counterpart of PTSD. That's my theory, anyway. Cyberstalking and holding long-term grudges on the Internet is a form of PTSD. On a spiritual level it's also classic samskaric behavior -- allowing yourself to be ruled by past impressions you can't get over. Maybe if those studies that indicate that TM is helpful in the treatment of PTSD are correct, these long-term Netgrudgeholders could benefit from learning it. Oh. Wait. Many of them already practice TM, and have for several decades. Never mind.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Nature Of Obsession
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: Yesterday I made three -- count them, three -- posts about the somewhat obsessive nature of a few FFLers. In the first two posts, I used a somewhat objective measure (the Yahoo Groups Search Engine) to document the obsession; in the third, I theorized as to what the cause of this obsession might be. Then I just went about my day, neither mentioning (nor, truth be told, thinking about) any of these people again. From the side of the obsessives I mentioned (and a few I didn't mention), my three posts seem to have provoked a number of reactive, defensive, and above all button-pushed posts. How many? 31, by my count. You are glad of the attention I can tell. Well, I think I made one post back to you. Was it not enough, too much? It doesn't appear you found that undergarment I was mentioning. Keep looking, they have to be there somewhere. In terms of making my point about obsession, I think I can safely rest my case. Do less, accomplish more. :-) The guy who claims to be enlightened and thus all line on water and all is the clear winner of the How Pushed Were My Buttons Contest, at 11 posts, followed by the person who claims she isn't obsessed with Barry at all, at 7 posts. They never learn that when someone calls them obsessive, the way to rebut or disprove this is NOT to demonstrate exactly how obsessed they are.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TurquoiseB Doggie Treats
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: for being a good sport (-: Really?? From: turquoiseb To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 7, 2013 1:16 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TurquoiseB Doggie Treats  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, azgrey wrote: I've always wanted a dog with opposable thumbs. Calming biscuits sounds like the old SNL routine about Puppy Uppers and Doggie Downers. Justa 'nother Dharma Burger, folks. Ooo. Paris and Pippin want some. :-) http://s1143.beta.photobucket.com/user/azgrey/media/zendogthumbs_zps0edfc373.jpg.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Nature Of Obsession
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: Barry, when you make a ridiculous spectacle of yourself as you did yesterday, you have to expect that people are going to gather round and point at you and snicker, enjoying themselves at your expense. Suck it up, dude. Find your man panties, as Ann suggested. You'll notice, if you bother to take the time and attention, that Barry rarely uses people's names in posts although it is abundantly clear who he is referring to. I think that is his ploy to avoid the post count thingy he does when searching. So if others were to engage in the same efforts he does to count how many times someone mentions someone else the accuracy of the count is off because Barry often does not use the person's name. Voila, in his little game of 'count 'em' his count is 'off' because he has not put the name in the post so it only looks like he obsesses less on others when, in fact, his count is over the moon. Just an observation since he likes to keep track so often, as if this validates any points he's trying to make. (Oh Barry, here's another one about you, count it! I even mentioned your name to make it easier.) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: Yesterday I made three -- count them, three -- posts about the somewhat obsessive nature of a few FFLers. In the first two posts, I used a somewhat objective measure (the Yahoo Groups Search Engine) to document the obsession; in the third, I theorized as to what the cause of this obsession might be. Then I just went about my day, neither mentioning (nor, truth be told, thinking about) any of these people again. From the side of the obsessives I mentioned (and a few I didn't mention), my three posts seem to have provoked a number of reactive, defensive, and above all button-pushed posts. How many? 31, by my count. In terms of making my point about obsession, I think I can safely rest my case. Do less, accomplish more. :-) The guy who claims to be enlightened and thus all line on water and all is the clear winner of the How Pushed Were My Buttons Contest, at 11 posts, followed by the person who claims she isn't obsessed with Barry at all, at 7 posts. They never learn that when someone calls them obsessive, the way to rebut or disprove this is NOT to demonstrate exactly how obsessed they are.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Nature Of Obsession
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: Yesterday I made three -- count them, three -- posts about the somewhat obsessive nature of a few FFLers. In the first two posts, I used a somewhat objective measure (the Yahoo Groups Search Engine) to document the obsession; in the third, I theorized as to what the cause of this obsession might be. Then I just went about my day, neither mentioning (nor, truth be told, thinking about) any of these people again. From the side of the obsessives I mentioned (and a few I didn't mention), my three posts seem to have provoked a number of reactive, defensive, and above all button-pushed posts. How many? 31, by my count. You are glad of the attention I can tell. Well, I think I made one post back to you. Was it not enough, too much? It doesn't appear you found that undergarment I was mentioning. Keep looking, they have to be there somewhere. http://blog.rateyourburn.com/blog/Uploads/borat-mankini-c.jpg Lordy, lordy, lordy. In terms of making my point about obsession, I think I can safely rest my case. Do less, accomplish more. :-) The guy who claims to be enlightened and thus all line on water and all is the clear winner of the How Pushed Were My Buttons Contest, at 11 posts, followed by the person who claims she isn't obsessed with Barry at all, at 7 posts. They never learn that when someone calls them obsessive, the way to rebut or disprove this is NOT to demonstrate exactly how obsessed they are.
[FairfieldLife] Re: No god required.....
Thanks for posting this. The most interesting part of the article was, for me, this excerpt. Also the most exciting: As recent advances in cosmology suggest, the laws of gravity and quantum theory allow universes to appear spontaneously from nothing. Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something rather than nothing, why the universe exists, why we exist. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 wrote: Why God Did Not Create the Universe. There is a sound scientific explanation for the making of our worldno gods required By STEPHEN HAWKING And LEONARD MLODINOW According to Viking mythology, eclipses occur when two wolves, Skoll and Hati, catch the sun or moon. At the onset of an eclipse people would make lots of noise, hoping to scare the wolves away. After some time, people must have noticed that the eclipses ended regardless of whether they ran around banging on pots. Ignorance of nature's ways led people in ancient times to postulate many myths in an effort to make sense of their world. But eventually, people turned to philosophy, that is, to the use of reasonwith a good dose of intuitionto decipher their universe. Today we use reason, mathematics and experimental testin other words, modern science. Albert Einstein said, The most incomprehensible thing about the universe is that it is comprehensible. He meant that, unlike our homes on a bad day, the universe is not just a conglomeration of objects each going its own way. Everything in the universe follows laws, without exception. Newton believed that our strangely habitable solar system did not arise out of chaos by the mere laws of nature. Instead, he maintained that the order in the universe was created by God at first and conserved by him to this Day in the same state and condition. The discovery recently of the extreme fine-tuning of so many laws of nature could lead some back to the idea that this grand design is the work of some grand Designer. Yet the latest advances in cosmology explain why the laws of the universe seem tailor-made for humans, without the need for a benevolent creator. Many improbable occurrences conspired to create Earth's human-friendly design, and they would indeed be puzzling if ours were the only solar system in the universe. But today we know of hundreds of other solar systems, and few doubt that there exist countless more among the billions of stars in our galaxy. Planets of all sorts exist, and obviously, when the beings on a planet that supports life examine the world around them, they are bound to find that their environment satisfies the conditions they require to exist. It is possible to turn that last statement into a scientific principle: The fact of our being restricts the characteristics of the kind of environment in which we find ourselves. For example, if we did not know the distance from the Earth to the sun, the fact that beings like us exist would allow us to put bounds on how small or great the Earth-sun separation could be. We need liquid water to exist, and if the Earth were too close, it would all boil off; if it were too far, it would freeze. That principle is called the weak anthropic principle. The weak anthropic principle is not very controversial. But there is a stronger form that is regarded with disdain among some physicists. The strong anthropic principle suggests that the fact that we exist imposes constraints, not just on our environment, but on the possible form and content of the laws of nature themselves. The idea arose because it is not only the peculiar characteristics of our solar system that seem oddly conducive to the development of human life, but also the characteristics of our entire universeand its laws. They appear to have a design that is both tailor-made to support us and, if we are to exist, leaves little room for alteration. That is much more difficult to explain. The tale of how the primordial universe of hydrogen, helium and a bit of lithium evolved to a universe harboring at least one world with intelligent life like us is a tale of many chapters. The forces of nature had to be such that heavier elementsespecially carboncould be produced from the primordial elements, and remain stable for at least billions of years. Those heavy elements were formed in the furnaces we call stars, so the forces first had to allow stars and galaxies to form. Those in turn grew from the seeds of tiny inhomogeneities in the early universe. Even all that is not enough: The dynamics of the stars had to be such that some would eventually explode, precisely in a way that could disperse the heavier elements through space. In addition, the laws of nature had to dictate that those remnants could recondense into a new generation of stars, these surrounded by planets incorporating the newly formed heavy elements. By examining the model universes we generate when the theories of physics are
[FairfieldLife] Re: Samsara
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymae.reyn wrote: Is this dogma? Maybe but it's also another unprovable pie-in-the-sky conjecture. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: I've heard that a person can burn off their karma and still choose to reincarnate. So it's not either or. From: Emily Reyn To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 3:45 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Samsara  Well, I hope to see this.  I agree with the idea that I can't figure out why one wants to be done with their karma and not have the blessing of reincarnating again.  But, if hell is here on earth, because I think that's fuckin' awsome, I can't imagine anything better than a life here.  I'm not trying to *go* anywhere, really...I am trying to *be* here though... From: turquoiseb To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 1:26 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Samsara  As a term, samsara has become associated with the idea that the relative existence that we live in and perceive each day is an illusion. *As* an illusion, say those who coined the term, it is not worth pursuing or paying that much attention to. I suggest humbly to people who believe this that they are fuckin' crazy. Samsara (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0770802/ ) the 2011 film by Ron Fricke, should not be confused with Samsara (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0196069/?ref_=fn_al_tt_2 ), the 2001 film by Pan Nalin, also excellent, but in a different way. The new Samsara is basically nothing more (nor less) than a series of images of the relative existence that we live in and perceive each day, set to music. And those images are beautiful. Stunningly beautiful. Breathtakingly beautiful. As is relative existence itself, whatever its ups and downs. Life. Death. Rebirth. LIFE. I really *feel* for those who believe that the relative is somehow inferior to what they consider the Absolute, and thus is something to be avoided or shunned. They're really missing out. This film shows you how much they're missing out ON. There were just so many scenes in which my initial reaction was Whoa! Where the FUCK is that on planet Earth? And why haven't I been there yet? I exceeded my Whoa! quotient within the first fifteen minutes of watching Samsara. I simply don't understand the drive that some people feel to get off the wheel and end incarnation on this rock. What whiners. This rock rocks. I simply don't get anyone who doesn't get that. See this one in a theatre or in the highest definition you can afford, because it was originally filmed in 70mm, and it shows.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fw: The Power of Whimsy for Wednesday
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: In another example, a Dutch railway company had a slide installed atop one of the stairways leading down to a station in Utrecht and dubbed it a 'transfer accelerator.' I've actually seen -- and used -- this transfer accelerator, on my last trip to Utrecht. Maybe there's hope for you yet... Does that mean I'm whimsical? :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ecowarrior Gives Up
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymae.reyn wrote: Why do my posts repeat themselves? There must be an echo in there. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn wrote: Regardlesslife is temporary.  From: turquoiseb To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2013 1:38 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ecowarrior Gives Up  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wrote: Nice find. While I have never done all the amazing things this woman did to protect the environment, in the end I too have at least tried to stop worrying about it, at least not often. Wise choice. Worrying, as recent studies have indicated, puts one at risk for PTSD, and thus Low Survival Skills. Learning to deal with What Is, *whatever* It Is, and learning to roll with it, has a higher survival quotient. I am fortunate enough to live in a very ecology-aware nation, but I don't let it distract me from What Is. On a deeper level, I understand completely that I live in a city that is lovely and historic and all, but that resides at -1 meters below sea level. As proactive as the Netherlands may be in their eternal attempts to control the Rising Waters, chances are they will not be 100% successful. If they're not, we will move. Adapt, and change, and survive. Try to pretend that things are the Same As They Ever Were (to quote the Talking Heads), and you might just wind up underwater. Try to pretend that what is happening isn't happening, and you might not end up anywhere at all. End of story. Maybe it's that I'm somewhat OLD, and don't fear death, but I really don't see the percentage in dwelling on the inevitable -- which is, in one word, CHANGE. No one can accurately predict CHANGE, no matter how hard they try to convince you they can. So the best thing one can do -- in my opinion, of course -- to *prepare* oneself for change is to...uh...prepare oneself for change. It's like surfing...you have to be willing to shift your entire center of balance at any moment. Change happens. It's a lot like shit in that regard. You either learn to roll with it, or you don't. End of story.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ecowarrior Gives Up
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymae.reyn wrote: Why do my posts repeat themselves? I'm not seeing any duplicates or repetitions of your posts on the Web site, Emily. I think Emily means that her message view repeats the post snippet you can see. Recently a couple of my posts got repeated on the Web site. The second time, the extra one didn't add to my post count--don't know if that was Alex's doing or what. But it hasn't happened again.
[FairfieldLife] Re: apropos of nothing
Aw, now you've done it. EVERYONE will know what a softy, sucky person you are Raunchy. I think on the hedgehog it is all those little pink toes and bellybutton that get me, plus how gently the person is holding it. And of course Jesse, well, let's just say, How great are dogs? They are the one thing God got perfectly right in this world, that is what I say. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog wrote: Baby hedgehog http://www.dailycuteness.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/cute-hedgehog.png The Cutest Puppy in the World http://youtu.be/mURoYko9zSs
[FairfieldLife] Re: Portlandia season 3 tonight to Judy Ravi Gull Alex etc.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: Judy, well here in FF I'm at least 19 hours away from the ocean, etc. So 3 hours away is relatively speaking, like living on the beach. Like that like that. Except since you are ON the beach, maybe not. BTW thank you for nugget about TM courses being advances rather than retreats. Ravi, it's just wonderful to see you looking and sounding so happy. Whatever family dramas there are, I hope they resolve quickly and easily. Judy, I didn't pick up that turq was being condescending. I thought he was expressing something mushy the way that guys sometimes do. A little awkwardly. But I really liked that he made the effort. Unlike that Bob Price who is just an old grumpy boots IMHO. Hanging on to old grudges in which he did not even participate! Nabbley, I think Merlin is a boy's name. John, I did vote. Alex, please do not allow the inventor of the bulemia machine to join FFL. Thank you. LaughingG, I tried Matthew's work for about a month. It did not resonate. But I have friends who think he's the cat's meow. Which is a very strange phrase if you ask me. This week I've been taking some workshops with Paul Wong artofneutrality. Very wonderful stuff (-: Ah, more healing. Gosh, you seem to have an infinite capacity to attend these workshops, it seems to me one of them alone isn't enough. You just can't get good healers these days... Art of Neutrality Teleclass Part 1: Fundamentals What is a Tele-Class? Art of Neutrality Tele-Class Description: This class is to introduce the principles and awareness centered on neutrality. The goal of this class is to obtain knowledge and hone awareness skills and use these skills to learn rapid self-healing. You will learn: awareness exercises, categories of energy imbalances, how to use your intuition to tune into a person, learn to ask intuitive questions to determine cause and effect and root issues, locate energy imbalances in people, places and things; learn techniques on how to correct energy imbalances from past, present and future, beyond space, time and dimension. Key benefits and applications of the Art of Neutrality: Natural Regeneration Natural and Fast Pain Relief without Meds Performance Improvement Fast Clearing of Mental and Emotional Blocks Relationship Improvements Fast Clearing of Anxieties, Fears, and Phobias Fast Relief of Job and Professional Stress CLASS OUTLINE: BENEFITS OF THE ART OF NEUTRALITY How does Art of Neutrality help with Physical and Emotional Issues? CENTER OF YOUR BODY What is the energizing center of the body? How to access the center to regenerate the body? HOW TO FEEL BALANCE AND IMBALANCE ENERGY Shift Awareness Exercise Shift Awareness Center of Body Exercise Making Corrections Exercise Tuning into Someone Exercise Awareness of Emotional Imbalance Exercise Timeline Technique Shortcut Method Intuitive Sensing Using a Numeric Value System Cause and Effect Distance Healing (Surrogate feelings) THE FIVE CATEGORIES OF IMBALANCES What is the Emotional Category? What is the Mental Category? What is the Psychological Category? What is the Psychic/Empathy Category? What is the Spiritual Category? ENERGETIC BALANCES How to Balance to Naturally Regenerate the Body? How to use the 5 Categories of Energetic Balances? What is the Cause and Effect Model? What is the Deletion Process? How to Work through Multiple Layers of Emotional Issues? Applying Shortcuts Balancing to Naturally Regenerate Faster. How to use Thoughts/Intentions and Center to Amplify a Correction? How to do Balancing for Friends and Family? What are Meta Questions? Balancing for Neutrality. How to tune into Specific Issues to Balance? Group Practice Sessions. About the instructor: Paul Wong is the founder of the Art of Neutrality, a consciousness shifting program based on over 15 years of experience working with thousands of people globally. His work is a synthesis of his personal experiences of practicing various energy healing modalities. Paul's unique approach is a key element that may be used as a stand alone modality or complementary to other energy modalities. The Art of Neutrality is an integral part of the healing process, yet a missing element from most energy systems. Paul's ability to access this need is groundbreaking in the energy healing field. Paul teaches live classes, teleclasses, and conducts healing sessions globally. Paul's extensive studies of various healing arts include: Yuen Method, BodyTalk, Qigong, Chinese medicine, EFT, hypnotherapy, Reiki, Vortex Healing, ReleaseTechnique, Matrix Energetics, and other spiritual and mystical practices. I'm also reading a very funny book by Ellen DeGeneres.Â
[FairfieldLife] Re: Portlandia season 3 tonight to Judy Ravi Gull Alex etc.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: This week I've been taking some workshops with Paul Wong artofneutrality. Very wonderful stuff (-: Ah, more healing. Gosh, you seem to have an infinite capacity to attend these workshops, it seems to me one of them alone isn't enough. You just can't get good healers these days... What's wrong with that? It's Share's interest. How would you like it if someone sneered at you for spending so much time with horses (Oh, no, not horses again, Ann -- you seem to have an infinite capacity for interacting with horses.) See how stupid it looks? Why don't you just leave Share alone to pursue her interests? Oh feste, oh feste. Don't take this all so seriously, it is not a serious matter. Laugh a little, I am. And people tell me all the time I am horse crazy. Share is pursuing her infinite need to sign up for the next healer coming down the tracks, believe me I don't seem to be stopping her. But it doesn't mean I can't find it hilarious. In fact, it is one of the most humorous things on FFL, other than seeing others get bent out of shape for pointing out the absurdity of it all. I'm absurd, Share is absurd and so are you for failing to see the humour in all of this. Trust me, it is very funny if you just know where to look. Art of Neutrality Teleclass Part 1: Fundamentals What is a Tele-Class? Art of Neutrality Tele-Class Description: This class is to introduce the principles and awareness centered on neutrality. The goal of this class is to obtain knowledge and hone awareness skills and use these skills to learn rapid self-healing. You will learn: awareness exercises, categories of energy imbalances, how to use your intuition to tune into a person, learn to ask intuitive questions to determine cause and effect and root issues, locate energy imbalances in people, places and things; learn techniques on how to correct energy imbalances from past, present and future, beyond space, time and dimension. Key benefits and applications of the Art of Neutrality: Natural Regeneration Natural and Fast Pain Relief without Meds Performance Improvement Fast Clearing of Mental and Emotional Blocks Relationship Improvements Fast Clearing of Anxieties, Fears, and Phobias Fast Relief of Job and Professional Stress CLASS OUTLINE: BENEFITS OF THE ART OF NEUTRALITY How does Art of Neutrality help with Physical and Emotional Issues? CENTER OF YOUR BODY What is the energizing center of the body? How to access the center to regenerate the body? HOW TO FEEL BALANCE AND IMBALANCE ENERGY Shift Awareness Exercise Shift Awareness Center of Body Exercise Making Corrections Exercise Tuning into Someone Exercise Awareness of Emotional Imbalance Exercise Timeline Technique Shortcut Method Intuitive Sensing Using a Numeric Value System Cause and Effect Distance Healing (Surrogate feelings) THE FIVE CATEGORIES OF IMBALANCES What is the Emotional Category? What is the Mental Category? What is the Psychological Category? What is the Psychic/Empathy Category? What is the Spiritual Category? ENERGETIC BALANCES How to Balance to Naturally Regenerate the Body? How to use the 5 Categories of Energetic Balances? What is the Cause and Effect Model? What is the Deletion Process? How to Work through Multiple Layers of Emotional Issues? Applying Shortcuts Balancing to Naturally Regenerate Faster. How to use Thoughts/Intentions and Center to Amplify a Correction? How to do Balancing for Friends and Family? What are Meta Questions? Balancing for Neutrality. How to tune into Specific Issues to Balance? Group Practice Sessions. About the instructor: Paul Wong is the founder of the Art of Neutrality, a consciousness shifting program based on over 15 years of experience working with thousands of people globally. His work is a synthesis of his personal experiences of practicing various energy healing modalities. Paul's unique approach is a key element that may be used as a stand alone modality or complementary to other energy modalities. The Art of Neutrality is an integral part of the healing process, yet a missing element from most energy systems. Paul's ability to access this need is groundbreaking in the energy healing field. Paul teaches live classes, teleclasses, and conducts healing sessions globally. Paul's extensive studies of various healing arts include: Yuen Method, BodyTalk, Qigong, Chinese medicine, EFT, hypnotherapy, Reiki, Vortex Healing, ReleaseTechnique, Matrix
[FairfieldLife] Re: MSAE graduate on youtube
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wrote: He's doing a take-off on some new agish types, right? This is a joke, right? No, it's not a joke. From what I've heard, it's a very messed up cult trip where the guy controls people by telling them, Divine Mother says..., even to the point of people going into debt to support him financially. I watched some of the video, and I'm creeped out by it. There's a sucker born every minute. These creepy gurus are laughing all the way to the bank and man are they getting off on the adulation, big time. Anyone want to go crash the party? It could be a riot. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 wrote: From TMFree, apparently a graduate of MSAE who's got his own little thing going. Thoughts anyone? http://youtu.be/T1V_JD9rODk
[FairfieldLife] Re: Portlandia season 3 tonight to Judy Ravi Gull Alex etc.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: This week I've been taking some workshops with Paul Wong artofneutrality. Very wonderful stuff (-: Ah, more healing. Gosh, you seem to have an infinite capacity to attend these workshops, it seems to me one of them alone isn't enough. You just can't get good healers these days... What's wrong with that? Did Ann say there was something wrong with it? It's Share's interest. How would you like it if someone sneered at you for spending so much time with horses (Oh, no, not horses again, Ann -- you seem to have an infinite capacity for interacting with horses.) See how stupid it looks? Unless I'm very much mistaken, Ann interacts with the same horses (her own--three, I believe) the vast majority of the time. She doesn't wander from horse to horse in search of inner fulfillment. There are other distinctions as well that make your hypothetical far stupider than what she wrote to Share, but I'm sure she will explain them to you if you're interested. It is true Judy, you can't really compare an athletic pursuit to healer junkies. Now if, in my desire to learn more, I went to every clinician or trainer who showed up within 100 miles of me in order to find the best way to figure out how to ride piaffe then you could laugh. As it is, I have a wonderful trainer who I have been using for seven years and I occasionally take clinics, perhaps two per year. But am I keen on the sport? Absolutely and I have been razzed for it by various people all through my life. Does that bother me? Uh, no. Razz away. Plus which, of course, she did not say, Oh, no, not healing again. And how does her copying the text from the site of one of Share's current healers amount to sneering? Do you find it embarrassing, perhaps? Do you think it reflects poorly on Share? Why don't you just leave Share alone to pursue her interests? Can you explain how Ann's post interferes with Share's ability to pursue her interests? I'll bet you a buck Share doesn't think it does. Why do you not view Ann's post as giving Share an opportunity to explain why she feels this healing mode is wonderful stuff? It is true that how I may feel about Share's pursuit of the ultimate healer is certainly not effecting or stopping her from pursuing, I will admit I do find it worthy of a chuckle or two but I am not sneering. That would imply I think I am somehow better than Share and that is not true. I do, however, think we are very different. So I may laugh but I won't be curling my lip in disdain. Finally, this is, after all, a forum for conversation. If we all left everyone else alone, that would pretty much defeat the purpose. Why don't you leave Ann alone to pursue *her* interests? Ha ha, good one. You are right, if we left everyone alone the forum would be a very quiet place. Art of Neutrality Teleclass Part 1: Fundamentals What is a Tele-Class? Art of Neutrality Tele-Class Description: This class is to introduce the principles and awareness centered on neutrality. The goal of this class is to obtain knowledge and hone awareness skills and use these skills to learn rapid self-healing. You will learn: awareness exercises, categories of energy imbalances, how to use your intuition to tune into a person, learn to ask intuitive questions to determine cause and effect and root issues, locate energy imbalances in people, places and things; learn techniques on how to correct energy imbalances from past, present and future, beyond space, time and dimension. Key benefits and applications of the Art of Neutrality: Natural Regeneration Natural and Fast Pain Relief without Meds Performance Improvement Fast Clearing of Mental and Emotional Blocks Relationship Improvements Fast Clearing of Anxieties, Fears, and Phobias Fast Relief of Job and Professional Stress CLASS OUTLINE: BENEFITS OF THE ART OF NEUTRALITY How does Art of Neutrality help with Physical and Emotional Issues? CENTER OF YOUR BODY What is the energizing center of the body? How to access the center to regenerate the body? HOW TO FEEL BALANCE AND IMBALANCE ENERGY Shift Awareness Exercise Shift Awareness Center of Body Exercise Making Corrections Exercise Tuning into Someone Exercise Awareness of Emotional Imbalance Exercise Timeline Technique Shortcut Method Intuitive Sensing Using a Numeric Value System Cause and Effect Distance Healing (Surrogate feelings) THE FIVE CATEGORIES OF IMBALANCES What is the Emotional Category
[FairfieldLife] Re: MSAE graduate on youtube - the guy's probably sincere
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 wrote: Matthew is probably the son of Walter Reifslager, Jr., a long-time TMer, and grandson of a Walter, Sr., a recently deceased very community-minded and honorable Psychiatrist in Austin. Or a close relative thereof of those two gentlemen. Until proven to be otherwise, or to harm someone, he deserves the opportunity to expound that which he sincerely believes, even if he's deceived himself. Exponents of a new version of reality regularly pay a heavy price. Of course, it's not ironic that FFL's sets such a high threshold for acceptance. If he is an MSAE grad, he's had thousands of hours of exposure to MMYs discourses. IMHO he's contributing to creation of new knowledge. I'm not drawn to it, but may he be given room to try to 'splain it as he sees it. -Mainstream Gee, I don't know. I think anyone who speaks like that and does what he does when he's speaking is a dead giveaway. The guy is seriously a turn off in every possible way. In this case, if you have even a drop of intuition or reason, let alone instinct, this guy would get you running for the door. In fact, I'd bet my life on it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wrote: He's doing a take-off on some new agish types, right? This is a joke, right? No, it's not a joke. From what I've heard, it's a very messed up cult trip where the guy controls people by telling them, Divine Mother says..., even to the point of people going into debt to support him financially. I watched some of the video, and I'm creeped out by it. There's a sucker born every minute. These creepy gurus are laughing all the way to the bank and man are they getting off on the adulation, big time. Anyone want to go crash the party? It could be a riot. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 wrote: From TMFree, apparently a graduate of MSAE who's got his own little thing going. Thoughts anyone? http://youtu.be/T1V_JD9rODk
[FairfieldLife] Re: MSAE graduate on youtube - the guy's probably sincere
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 wrote: Ann said: when he's speaking is a dead giveaway. In this case, if you have even a drop of intuition or reason, let alone instinct, this guy would get you running for the door. In fact, I'd bet my life on it. Bet your life on what? That he is basically some idiot who thinks he has access to some higher truths. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 wrote: Matthew is probably the son of Walter Reifslager, Jr., a long-time TMer, and grandson of a Walter, Sr., a recently deceased very community-minded and honorable Psychiatrist in Austin. Or a close relative thereof of those two gentlemen. Until proven to be otherwise, or to harm someone, he deserves the opportunity to expound that which he sincerely believes, even if he's deceived himself. Exponents of a new version of reality regularly pay a heavy price. Of course, it's not ironic that FFL's sets such a high threshold for acceptance. If he is an MSAE grad, he's had thousands of hours of exposure to MMYs discourses. IMHO he's contributing to creation of new knowledge. I'm not drawn to it, but may he be given room to try to 'splain it as he sees it. -Mainstream Gee, I don't know. I think anyone who speaks like that and does what he does when he's speaking is a dead giveaway. The guy is seriously a turn off in every possible way. In this case, if you have even a drop of intuition or reason, let alone instinct, this guy would get you running for the door. In fact, I'd bet my life on it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wrote: He's doing a take-off on some new agish types, right? This is a joke, right? No, it's not a joke. From what I've heard, it's a very messed up cult trip where the guy controls people by telling them, Divine Mother says..., even to the point of people going into debt to support him financially. I watched some of the video, and I'm creeped out by it. There's a sucker born every minute. These creepy gurus are laughing all the way to the bank and man are they getting off on the adulation, big time. Anyone want to go crash the party? It could be a riot. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 wrote: From TMFree, apparently a graduate of MSAE who's got his own little thing going. Thoughts anyone? http://youtu.be/T1V_JD9rODk
[FairfieldLife] Re: Portlandia season 3 tonight to Judy Ravi Gull Alex etc.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: This week I've been taking some workshops with Paul Wong artofneutrality. Very wonderful stuff (-: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: Ah, more healing. Gosh, you seem to have an infinite capacity to attend these workshops, it seems to me one of them alone isn't enough. You just can't get good healers these days... Yeah, as feste said, I think we have to give this some more consideration, WB. Perhaps Share after fairly recently joining FFL, is simply trying to figure out the difference between Wright and Wong... See, this is why I could never be mad at you.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Portlandia season 3 tonight to Judy Ravi Gull Alex etc.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius wrote: snip Something must be wrong in the approach, understanding, or technology. All those fancy words and analysis on ones side, (as well as as some not so subtle condescending remarks previously), and the person Share on the other, and I'll take the person Share anytime. That is, a person who seems happy, optimistic, very realistic and grounded. Then, if that is the case, why this forever searching for the next better technique, the continual need for healing, guidance and advice? That is not grounded, possibly not content (happy), I would say yes to the optimistic ( surely the next healer will be able to help me), negative on the realistic (I will find the answer when I try solution #100). I think that covers it. But I might be convinced if you want to give some examples, especially of the grounded part. Share? As far Matthew, mainstream, I liked your comments. Caveat emptor. Whew, we have less in common all the time Steve.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Portlandia season 3 tonight to Steve Feste Mainstream
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: Just returned from Paul Wong presentation. Was it good?  Thank you Steve and Feste for being so supportive. It's much appreciated. Thank you also to Mainstream. Though Matthew is not my cup of tea, the courage behind what you said is inspiring. What are you inspired to do? Oh, and why was it courageous? From: seventhray27 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 10:18 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Portlandia season 3 tonight to Judy Ravi Gull Alex etc.  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius wrote: snip Something must be wrong in the approach, understanding, or technology. All those fancy words and analysis on ones side, (as well as as some not so subtle condescending remarks previously), and the person Share on the other, and I'll take the person Share anytime. That is, a person who seems happy, optimistic, very realistic and grounded. As far Matthew, mainstream, I liked your comments. Caveat emptor.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Portlandia season 3 tonight to Judy Ravi Gull Alex etc.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius wrote: snip Something must be wrong in the approach, understanding, or technology. All those fancy words and analysis on ones side, (as well as as some not so subtle condescending remarks previously), and the person Share on the other, and I'll take the person Share anytime. That is, a person who seems happy, optimistic, very realistic and grounded. Then, if that is the case, why this forever searching for the next better technique, the continual need for healing, guidance and advice? To rephrase: someone continually looking for greater insight into themselves, and wishing to bring into greater balance, unresolved issues. Last I checked, that is a lifelong process, and one that more people would benefit from if it were made a greater priority. That is not grounded, possibly not content (happy), I would say yes to the optimistic ( surely the next healer will be able to help me), Again, I'm afraid you miss the mark. There is no desperation there. Just a desire to deepen one's understanding about themselves and their environment. (both near and far) negative on the realistic (I will find the answer when I try solution #100). I think that covers it. But I might be convinced if you want to give some examples, especially of the grounded part. Share? You mean one who expresses herself well, captures nuance in a remarkable way, and whose relationships with friends, family and community seem quite balanced. As far Matthew, mainstream, I liked your comments. Caveat emptor. Whew, we have less in common all the time Steve. if you are referring to my comment about Matthew (whatever his last name is), what is it that you find at odds with my comment? Do you feel he should be censored? It seems to me that all I said, was that the man should be able to speak his peace. Is that offensive?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Portlandia season 3 tonight to Judy Ravi Gull Alex etc.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius wrote: snip Something must be wrong in the approach, understanding, or technology. All those fancy words and analysis on ones side, (as well as as some not so subtle condescending remarks previously), and the person Share on the other, and I'll take the person Share anytime. That is, a person who seems happy, optimistic, very realistic and grounded. Then, if that is the case, why this forever searching for the next better technique, the continual need for healing, guidance and advice? To rephrase: someone continually looking for greater insight into themselves, and wishing to bring into greater balance, unresolved issues. Last I checked, that is a lifelong process, and one that more people would benefit from if it were made a greater priority. That is not grounded, possibly not content (happy), I would say yes to the optimistic ( surely the next healer will be able to help me), Again, I'm afraid you miss the mark. There is no desperation there. Just a desire to deepen one's understanding about themselves and their environment. (both near and far) negative on the realistic (I will find the answer when I try solution #100). I think that covers it. But I might be convinced if you want to give some examples, especially of the grounded part. Share? You mean one who expresses herself well, captures nuance in a remarkable way, and whose relationships with friends, family and community seem quite balanced. As far Matthew, mainstream, I liked your comments. Caveat emptor. Whew, we have less in common all the time Steve. if you are referring to my comment about Matthew (whatever his last name is), what is it that you find at odds with my comment? Do you feel he should be censored? It seems to me that all I said, was that the man should be able to speak his peace. Is that offensive? The guy is offensive whether he is speaking his peace or his piece. And for the rest of it I can agree to disagree with you. I still have a soft spot for you in spite of our disagreements however. Share obviously likes your support so keep it coming. I hope she got something out of healer Wong tonight, it kept her up past her bed time.
[FairfieldLife] Re: dear everyone on FFL
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: During my Christmas vacation I realized that if I'm lucky, I have about 30 more years on this planet. I intend to use that time as juicily and joyfully as possible, and hopefully at the exact same time add to or at least support the enjoyment of others. As part of this, and perhaps some of you have noticed, I've decided to not reply to certain kinds of posts to me. I have felt so much better since beginning to do this. And FFL has seemed more fun too. As far as I'm concerned the new year is the time to begin anew and to drop conflicts from the past year. I'm so grateful because it seems that Judy and Ravi and I have begun anew. Maybe Raunchy and I a little bit too. I hope so. But Ann and Emily have continued at just about every opportunity to snipe nastily at me. They continue to have a confrontational tone towards me, even on the most mundane of topics. Weird! Plus they ignore it when I do post a positive reply to them. You would think that Ann with her full life and Emily with her running out of money situation would have better things to do with their time and energy and attention than to nastily carry a grudge against me into the new year. Plus their grudges began with an upset between me and Robin! So IMO there's something decidedly wacky about their carrying this grudge into the new year. And I won't be a part of it. I will continue to reply to them such as I have been doing. But I will not reply to any posts that are nasty, condescending, confrontational, snide, etc. In other words, grudgy! Who does such exchanges benefit? NO ONE! OTOH thank you to everyone who's made FFL so enjoyable during the holidays and even more recently. You all have shown me that it's possible to have great discussions and good humor without being nasty. love and hugs Share http://youtu.be/iLAic2uVlWo Oh Raunchy, she won't get it but I do. You are one funny woman. I'll be looking you up when I'm next in FF. I think there is some healer named Wombat Mercurio who is coming there in February. His specialty is using corn stalks as symbolic Earth forces to prop up the participants as he performs a ceremonial dance on soybeans. As you can tell, this is infinitely suited to the Iowa setting. He won't even have to bring his own props as there are plenty at hand. Saves on the baggage fees at the airport. I also understand, that for a slightly reduced rate, you can experience this from home via skype, you just need a couple of cans of Green Giant corn niblets and some soy milk; he tells you how to effectively use this modified method to great success from the comforts of your own computer room. I am including a picture of Wombat in case you see him on the street and want his autograph. He is shown with a recent course participant preparing the healing stalks and she is obviously thrilled to be part of the healing preparations. That Wombat, he really attracts the women. I will look you up when I'm in town. I'll be the woman wearing the red feathers in my hair and sporting crystals the size of sugar cubes around my neck - I still have strands and strands of them from when I bought them at the Crest Jewel in FF 30 years ago (no joke).
[FairfieldLife] For Those Who Can't Get Enough
http://thewholeness.com/flordemayo/ Check it out, you can even send money. I showed my husband his first video that was posted here (the one in front of the bad rug). He asked me what was wrong with the guy. He asked why he spoke so slowly. He said at the rate the man was talking that lecture would have taken hours. Then he started laughing, I think he still didn't believe the guy wasn't off some SNL skit.
[FairfieldLife] Re: MSAE graduate on youtube
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote: A good recipe for a home made bloody mary: glass one third full of ice add a tbsp. worcestershire sauce about ten drops tabasco or habenero sauce vodka til the ice floats V8 or similar salt to taste coarse ground pepper stir thoroughly Yum, sounds like a meal. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn wrote: I love a good bloody mary, but they are hard to come by.  I only drink them once a year and there is only one bartender I've found that makes a really good one.  Really, the only hard alcohol I can drink anymore is a decent tequila - it wakes me up, which is weird.  I once went to a work party in a cool downtown Seattle loft where the guy had amassed a number of specialty tequilas from Mexico that you won't find on the shelves.  It was pretty interesting - he knew everything about the region/locale they were made in, how they were made, who made them, etc.  From: doctordumbass@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2013 9:44 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: MSAE graduate on youtube  Speaking of which, I want to make some habenero (scotch bonnet) infused vodka at some point. Makes for a spicy bloody mary. Not much of a vodka expert, though - tend to stick with Skyy, 'cuz it is local, and very clean. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn wrote: This one agrees - I'm guessing he'd feel better if he downed a few shots of good vodka. àFrom: Share Long To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2013 5:09 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MSAE graduate on youtube àObviously Finns are good sports (-: From: card To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2013 4:38 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: MSAE graduate on youtube à--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 wrote: From TMFree, apparently a graduate of MSAE who's got his own little thing going. Thoughts anyone? Looks like he is finnish ! :-) ROFLOL! http://youtu.be/T1V_JD9rODk Yuck! :/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MSAE graduate on youtube
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn wrote: I hate to admit this, but I had to stop watching after the first 1/2 a sentence.  Felt a lot of pain coming from the guy.  I didn't get any pain from him, just the experience of watching him was painful for me and the first time I watched it was only about three sentences - it was just so EMBARRASSING. Then when more people started posting about it I made myself watch about a minute more to make sure it didn't get any better, or that he didn't suddenly burst out laughing and admit he was having everyone on. But, alas, he didn't. From: seekliberation To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2013 10:28 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: MSAE graduate on youtube  I 'LITERALLY' had to stop watching after the 1st 2 sentances. People like him are the reason we are are never going to get TM to the masses. All you have to do is look at the behaviour of their leaders and many of their followers and you know right away these people couldn't even be trusted to explain to us how to tie our shoes, let alone trust them to teach us how to develop our consciousness. seekliberation --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: This guy is whacked out - again, Marshy's energy - there have been and continue to be guru wannabes who start with TM and go off to start their own schtick. Learn from aàdemagogue, become a demagogue. Follow a huckster, become a huckster. From: laughinggull108 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 2:57 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] MSAE graduate on youtube àFrom TMFree, apparently a graduate of MSAE who's got his own little thing going. Thoughts anyone? http://youtu.be/T1V_JD9rODk
[FairfieldLife] Re: Cyberstalker Trainees (Turq's Occult Theory Of What Motivates Cyberstalkers)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote: On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 2:51 AM, Emily Reyn wrote: ** Just thinking of you Ravi. Yes, Alex's post was very perfect. Cyber drama is not important and family drama often warrants attention - in my family at least. Love you, thinking of you, send pictures at your discretion and on your timeline. Take good care. Love, Em. Thank you dear Em - here's a picture just for you :-). My elder sis offered to massage coconut oil on my head and I got very excited and gladly obliged. http://flic.kr/p/dKUvwa Fantastic picture, thanks for sharing that. I also would enjoy a coconut oil head massage. In fact, any massage will do. -- *From:* Ravi Chivukula *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Friday, January 11, 2013 11:35 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Cyberstalker Trainees (Turq's Occult Theory Of What Motivates Cyberstalkers) Dear Em - yes I got it after Alex's hilarious post. Just spending time with my family, all mundane tasks here seem to involve so much drama that you don't have time for cyber dramas :-) - not to mention all my family drama. Will send more pictures later.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Where Are We Now?-just walking the deadBowie
I liked this a lot. Thank you. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWtsV50_-p4 The moment you know you know you know. Haunting, enigmatic, simple and beautiful his pensive face projected on to a puppet in Bowies new recording, Where Are We Now?, on his 66th birthday, some may call it with a mesmerizing, enchanting, elegiac tune. His voice sounds older and more world-weary but not frightened to put something new out and he appears to be almost biting back tears as he looks back on his life in Berlin. Didn't he who turned down a knighthood his best work in/about Berlin bringing it now all back, though not in a hackneyed way? His Berlin in a time warp. Berlin as it was then, as it would be now, as if all these weird intervening years had never happened. Does he try to come to grips with his own mortality, trying to make a sober assessment of his time on earth and the value of life itself as he approaches an farewell-exit? Is he a shallow fool Major Tom age bracket who continues a clueless life in a fog trying to hang on to his youth doing Ziggy Stardust redux..? Is David Bowie back - but where has he been in the rain'- a one, brilliant class act that cannot be followed even by himself? Finger are crossed -just in case [http://autoimg.clipfish.de/autoimg/USRV3131/512x288/david-bowie-whe\ re-are-we-now.jpg]
[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn wrote: A saw a healer, who I didn't realize was Hindu-based at the time and told me that if I didn't do my spiritual work, I'd reincarnate as a lower life form. Â I asked her for an example - she said cat. I said, I'm O.K. with that. Hey! We could come back together as Feline Overlord litter-mates! How cool would that be? And how adorable would that be?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment WELL STATED BUCK
Funny, but I think Buck and his attitudes and platitudes would keep me from ever embracing TM and its philosophies more than even the crown-wearing Rajas. I have nothing against TM or Maharishi or the sidhis but boy, does Buck ever turn me off. Just a tip Buck: the more you keep your mouth shut the greater chances that people will not find the idea of Domes and programs and ME so distasteful. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Who art thou? They dreamest that they art wise because they could publish their blasphemous words, and are more foolish and unreasonable than a little child, who, playing with the parts of a skillfully made watch, dares to say that, as he does not understand its use, he does not believe in the master who made it. To know Him is hard For ages, from our forefather Adam to our own day, we labor to attain that knowledge and are still infinitely far from our aim; but in our lack of understanding we see only our weakness and It's greatness. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: It is pitiable, they 'know' It not and such they are very unhappy. They do not know It, but It is here, It is in me, It is in my words, It is in thee, and even in those blasphemous words they have just published! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Yes, of course theses two fellows publishing here do not 'know' It as they wish, one cannot 'know' It. They do not 'know' It and that is why they are unhappy. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Yes, no one attains to truth by himself. Only by laying stone on stone with the cooperation of all, by the millions of generations from our forefathers to our own times, is that temple reared which is to be a worthy dwelling place of the Great God the Unified Field --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WLeed3@ wrote: Thanks for this reply Buck a host of Ur other reply's here in polite respect to YOU all here in this form! In a message dated 1/13/2013 8:25:20 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, Buck writes: Oh you fellows just assume no paths lead toward an awakening for people nor continue on and that it is not self evident along the ways of a path. That is your experience and what poor experience. It is blasphemous rattle and argue what you are saying the way you contend it and having to denigrate the awakened you see as your opponents as you go. Yours is a sad commentary here on your selves. However, every day we are learning more about the benefits of meditation: physical and mental well-being, compassion, patience, calming, a more flexible mind, strengthened immune system, sharper memory-it;'s extraordinary. Meditation. First ecstasy, then the laundry. Git to it, -Buck in the Dome --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: Thought I would offer this for purposes of discussion. These are my own beliefs at this time: From the teachings or musings if you will of people like Eckhart Tolle and Anita Moorjani, Adyashanti one has to believe that the whole thing about enlightenment and the whole schtick that goes with it is complete made up bullshit. Not necessarily. There are other explanations for the concept of a path to enlightenment that don't require us to think ill of those who proposed one. If for no other reason, humans have a tendency to need explanations or reasons for things that Just Happen. So *something* happens -- something unknown, and probably unknowable -- and someone pops into the state of attention that they have previously been told is enlightenment, or at the very least enlightenment-like. As for *HOW* it happened, or *WHY*, the most human tendency is to think, What was I doing before it happened? That must have had something to do with it happening. If I figure out what that was, I can tell others about this thing that I did and they can do it, too, and experience what I am experiencing. The trouble with this, of course, is that no thing they did had anything to do with them realizing their always- already-present enlightenment. But if they associate it with meditating just before they realized it, they might create a path based on meditation. If they flashed out shortly after thinking fondly of their teacher, they might come up with a path based on bhakti and devotion. If they realized their enlightenment while having sex, they might even come
