Bart
Just wanted to update (and ask for prayers) about Bart.. Have a vet appt. @ 9:00 AM, can't sleep. I'm too worried Besides his bloating being very skinny --- tonight when I picked him up to put a warmer under his bed, he criedas if in pain. (Poor boy, probably IS ) Another thing. he is hardly eating at all.. I believe the night of the blizzard, Charity wanted me to help her companion Why she wouldn't allow me to scruff her in yard, and ended up making me follow her out to barn, where, miraculously, Bart was there It's like she knew he was sick needed help, so she led me to him. I spent many hours in barn w/ him tonight, mainly to observe. He was curled up in his bed, and, every now then, looking up to make sure Mom was still there. After his crying when I lifted him, I was afraid to hold him. Didn't want to put him in any more pain. And now I'm sure, he is in pain, probably too much.. Poor boy. My heart is breaking because I hate having to make that decision. However, I have promised ALL my babies that I will never let them suffer. I really believe that the meanest, feral cat I have ever encountered, does know trust me, that's why he's done such a turn-around. He knows I will take care of him, regardless of what he's suffering from I can only take comfort that if I have to euthanize him, at least he won't just suffer die (alone) out on the streets. I am NOT looking forward to tomorrow, but, I know Bart does need veterinary help..Only wish he would have trusted me sooner. Better go, and try to get some rest. I'm going to be a real nut-case tomorrow for sure. Please, say a prayer (or whatever your venue is) for my dear Bart,,, Ditto that for me.. I am so scared heartbroken. Will update after Bart's appt. WISH FOR THE BEST! PLEASE? Hugs, Patti Bart the rest of the clan
Re: Bart
Prayers for you and Bart, Patti. I know how difficult this is. Renee In a message dated 2/6/2007 4:07:17 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Just wanted to update (and ask for prayers) about Bart..
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Patti you and bart are in my prayers.Good luck. Sherry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just wanted to update (and ask for prayers) about Bart.. Have a vet appt. @ 9:00 AM, can't sleep. I'm too worried Besides his bloating being very skinny --- tonight when I picked him up to put a warmer under his bed, he criedas if in pain. (Poor boy, probably IS ) Another thing. he is hardly eating at all.. I believe the night of the blizzard, Charity wanted me to help her companion Why she wouldn't allow me to scruff her in yard, and ended up making me follow her out to barn, where, miraculously, Bart was there It's like she knew he was sick needed help, so she led me to him. I spent many hours in barn w/ him tonight, mainly to observe. He was curled up in his bed, and, every now then, looking up to make sure Mom was still there. After his crying when I lifted him, I was afraid to hold him. Didn't want to put him in any more pain. And now I'm sure, he is in pain, probably too much.. Poor boy. My heart is breaking because I hate having to make that decision. However, I have promised ALL my babies that I will never let them suffer. I really believe that the meanest, feral cat I have ever encountered, does know trust me, that's why he's done such a turn-around. He knows I will take care of him, regardless of what he's suffering from I can only take comfort that if I have to euthanize him, at least he won't just suffer die (alone) out on the streets. I am NOT looking forward to tomorrow, but, I know Bart does need veterinary help..Only wish he would have trusted me sooner. Better go, and try to get some rest. I'm going to be a real nut-case tomorrow for sure. Please, say a prayer (or whatever your venue is) for my dear Bart,,, Ditto that for me.. I am so scared heartbroken. Will update after Bart's appt. WISH FOR THE BEST! PLEASE? Hugs, Patti Bart the rest of the clan - Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business.
Re: Bart
GLOW to bart, and to you, patti. and i believe you are right--even the most feral will sometimes come to those humans they come closest to trusting, knowing that they will help... she ain't bad, for a human. and that's really a gift, when you think about it... MC On 2/6/07, Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Patti you and bart are in my prayers.Good luck. Sherry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just wanted to update (and ask for prayers) about Bart.. Have a vet appt. @ 9:00 AM, can't sleep. I'm too worried Besides his bloating being very skinny --- tonight when I picked him up to put a warmer under his bed, he criedas if in pain. (Poor boy, probably IS ) Another thing. he is hardly eating at all.. I believe the night of the blizzard, Charity *wanted* me to help her companion Why she wouldn't allow me to scruff her in yard, and ended up making me follow her out to barn, where, miraculously, Bart was there It's like she *knew* he was sick needed help, so she led me to him. I spent many hours in barn w/ him tonight, mainly to observe. He was curled up in his bed, and, every now then, looking up to make sure Mom was still there. After his crying when I lifted him, I was afraid to hold him. Didn't want to put him in any more pain. And now I'm sure, he *is* in pain, probably too much.. Poor boy. My heart is breaking because I *hate* having to make that decision. However, I have promised ALL my babies that I will never let them suffer. I really believe that the meanest, feral cat I have ever encountered, does know trust me, that's why he's done such a turn-around. He *knows* I will take care of him, regardless of what he's suffering from I can only take comfort that if I have to euthanize him, at least he won't just suffer die (alone) out on the streets. I am *NOT* looking forward to tomorrow, but, I know Bart does need veterinary help..Only wish he would have trusted me sooner. Better go, and try to get some rest. I'm going to be a real nut-case tomorrow for sure. Please, say a prayer (or whatever your venue is) for my dear Bart,,, Ditto that for me.. I am so scared heartbroken. Will update after Bart's appt. *WISH FOR THE BEST! PLEASE?* Hugs, Patti Bart the rest of the clan -- Get your own web address.http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=49678/*http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/domains/?p=BESTDEAL Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
RE: Bart
Patti, you have my heartfelt wishes, hopes and vibes that Bart comes back from the vet feeling much, much better and will have many years with you. But if you have to make the decision, you are right, it is better for him to go surrounded by your love and compassion than out on his own. In either case, hugs to both of you. Diane R. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 3:06 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Bart Just wanted to update (and ask for prayers) about Bart.. Have a vet appt. @ 9:00 AM, can't sleep. I'm too worried Besides his bloating being very skinny --- tonight when I picked him up to put a warmer under his bed, he criedas if in pain. (Poor boy, probably IS ) Another thing. he is hardly eating at all.. I believe the night of the blizzard, Charity wanted me to help her companion Why she wouldn't allow me to scruff her in yard, and ended up making me follow her out to barn, where, miraculously, Bart was there It's like she knew he was sick needed help, so she led me to him. I spent many hours in barn w/ him tonight, mainly to observe. He was curled up in his bed, and, every now then, looking up to make sure Mom was still there. After his crying when I lifted him, I was afraid to hold him. Didn't want to put him in any more pain. And now I'm sure, he is in pain, probably too much.. Poor boy. My heart is breaking because I hate having to make that decision. However, I have promised ALL my babies that I will never let them suffer. I really believe that the meanest, feral cat I have ever encountered, does know trust me, that's why he's done such a turn-around. He knows I will take care of him, regardless of what he's suffering from I can only take comfort that if I have to euthanize him, at least he won't just suffer die (alone) out on the streets. I am NOT looking forward to tomorrow, but, I know Bart does need veterinary help..Only wish he would have trusted me sooner. Better go, and try to get some rest. I'm going to be a real nut-case tomorrow for sure. Please, say a prayer (or whatever your venue is) for my dear Bart,,, Ditto that for me.. I am so scared heartbroken. Will update after Bart's appt. WISH FOR THE BEST! PLEASE? Hugs, http://cdn-cf.aol.com/se/clip_art/peeps-emt/love/clips/clip2-love2 Patti Bart the rest of the clan http://cdn-cf.aol.com/se/clip_art/gstres/anmls/cat This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties.
RE: Rude Ranch-Chris
Thanks Chris! I do think about Big Boy alot, and thought perhaps you had chosen to keep him. Romeo is a good name for him! Sorry about having to keep him separated from your girl. Once again we are treading the same path, as my most recent rescue does not get along with my female, Coebeio. Coey absolutely hates him and growls at him until he, having had enough goes after her. Since he's only about 1 or so, and oh, 3-4 lbs heaver than Coey (a senior), I too have to keep Tully locked behind three stacked babygates covering the doorway between my studio and the rest of the apt. I was hoping that this would help the felines to get used to one anotherits been about 5 months now...and no go. To make it worse...Tully is prone to urine infections crystals and has asthmaooo here's yet ANOTHER foster animal that will be with me forever. HAI really think I must be doing something wrong! I have friends who feed their cats and dogs crap (supermarket Walmart brand food)let them come and go outside without supervisionHere I'm trying to feed my animals human-grade quality foods like Merrik and EVO...and each one of them has been a special needs critter...heart conditions, asthma, skin cancer, cancer, brain tumors, cat herpes, ibd, seizers, pancreitis attackshell...I even had a diabetic guinea pig, a few one-eyed goldfish, AND a pearl scale goldfish-that couldn't swim-lived three years...had to be scooped up off the bottom of the tank to be fed each day, wiggled his way along the bottom, but couldn't float to save his life! Anyway..sorry for ranting...I'm glad you and Romeo are doing so well! Thanks again for the support! Take care God Bless. T Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Havent chimed in too often lately but just want to offer another perspective. Tamara I were both looking for someplace for one of our catsshe for Simms, me for Big Boy. We touched base with each other to compare notes I remember when this all happened. Being a total neophyte at this, I so appreciated some of the tips Tamara and other members of this group gave me. I remember that what struck me was how frightening the whole process was. I sort of had to take strangers word that they were going to take care of BB as well as I would have! In these travels looking for a new home for BB, I ran across some pretty scary people. One local guy was the collector for FELV+ cats that showed up in any rescue/shelter. He never let anybody come to his home simply picked up the cats in various parking lots. When I talked to him, he made it clear that he had plenty of cats but would never let anyone even come to inspect, much less visit. Now he may have been wonderful, but who knows?? But everyone raved about what a nice guy he washow could responsible rescue/shelter workers recommend him so highly if they had never been there??? As far as Rude Ranch, like everyone else, I suspect they are also overloadedgoing to fosters sounds great but it takes a lot of work to monitor those fosters. Sadly, my experience with BB search w. my Katrina work, has shown that very few agencies/shelters/rescues ever take a look at their foster--many dont even have a home visit to begin withmuch less a visit after they receive animals. I know that most fosters are GREAT situationsbut it only takes one poor/marginal one to ruin it for everybody. Tamaras heads up to me way back then saved me a long trip down to Maryland, and more importandly saved me from making what could have been a bad placement for him Over the last few years, Ive looked to this group for so muchand found that everybody could be open honest here. We need to give each other some clues when something doesnt seem quite right So Tamara, thank you from me and from BB (who by the way is now Romeo and sprawled out on my bedso much for rehoming!) Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of tamara stickler Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 2:52 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Rude Ranch Hey, I understand. I can understand where both the person who had volunteered to take Simms and Rude Ranch, are coming from. RR has a business to protect for the sake of the animals under its care, and they can only continue if the people who entrust the animals to them continue to help pay for the cats care...I get that. And I understand this woman who agreed to help me, doing so out of the goodness of her heart b/c of her love of animals...I understand and respect that. As for the conditions on her farm and the charges under her care, since they were not up to MY standards, as I believe I would want to live, so I found another alternative for the charge under my care. While I believe that perhaps I should have alerted AC, I
RE: Rude Ranch-Chris--Tamara o/t
Hey Tamara I'm just dipping in here...haven't read anything else today yetbut I love the story of how you looked after your little goldfish for 3 years--just read it out to my co-worker--Tamara, weren't you the listmember who had some children's book ideas up her sleevemy co-worker reckons (as I do) that the goldfish who couldn't swim would make a great book! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of tamara stickler Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 9:12 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Rude Ranch-Chris Thanks Chris! I do think about Big Boy alot, and thought perhaps you had chosen to keep him. Romeo is a good name for him! Sorry about having to keep him separated from your girl. Once again we are treading the same path, as my most recent rescue does not get along with my female, Coebeio. Coey absolutely hates him and growls at him until he, having had enough goes after her. Since he's only about 1 or so, and oh, 3-4 lbs heaver than Coey (a senior), I too have to keep Tully locked behind three stacked babygates covering the doorway between my studio and the rest of the apt. I was hoping that this would help the felines to get used to one anotherits been about 5 months now...and no go. To make it worse...Tully is prone to urine infections crystals and has asthmaooo here's yet ANOTHER foster animal that will be with me forever. HAI really think I must be doing something wrong! I have friends who feed their cats and dogs crap (supermarket Walmart brand food)let them come and go outside without supervisionHere I'm trying to feed my animals human-grade quality foods like Merrik and EVO...and each one of them has been a special needs critter...heart conditions, asthma, skin cancer, cancer, brain tumors, cat herpes, ibd, seizers, pancreitis attackshell...I even had a diabetic guinea pig, a few one-eyed goldfish, AND a pearl scale goldfish-that couldn't swim-lived three years...had to be scooped up off the bottom of the tank to be fed each day, wiggled his way along the bottom, but couldn't float to save his life! Anyway..sorry for ranting...I'm glad you and Romeo are doing so well! Thanks again for the support! Take care God Bless. T Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Haven't chimed in too often lately but just want to offer another perspective. Tamara I were both looking for someplace for one of our cats-she for Simms, me for Big Boy. We touched base with each other to compare notes I remember when this all happened. Being a total neophyte at this, I so appreciated some of the tips Tamara and other members of this group gave me. I remember that what struck me was how frightening the whole process was. I sort of had to take stranger's word that they were going to take care of BB as well as I would have! In these 'travels' looking for a new home for BB, I ran across some pretty scary people. One local guy was the 'collector' for FELV+ cats that showed up in any rescue/shelter. He never let anybody come to his home simply picked up the cats in various parking lots. When I talked to him, he made it clear that he had plenty of cats but would never let anyone even come to inspect, much less visit. Now he may have been wonderful, but who knows?? But everyone raved about what a nice guy he was-how could responsible rescue/shelter workers recommend him so highly if they had never been there??? As far as Rude Ranch, like everyone else, I suspect they are also overloaded-going to fosters sounds great but it takes a lot of work to monitor those fosters. Sadly, my experience with BB search w. my Katrina work, has shown that very few agencies/shelters/rescues ever take a look at their foster--many don't even have a home visit to begin with-much less a visit after they receive animals. I know that most fosters are GREAT situations-but it only takes one poor/marginal one to ruin it for everybody. Tamara's heads up to me way back then saved me a long trip down to Maryland, and more importandly saved me from making what could have been a bad placement for him... Over the last few years, I've looked to this group for so much-and found that everybody could be open honest here. We need to give each other some clues when something doesn't seem quite right... So Tamara, thank you from me and from BB (who by the way is now Romeo and sprawled out on my bed-so much for rehoming!) Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of tamara stickler Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 2:52 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Rude Ranch Hey, I understand. I can understand where both the person who had volunteered to take Simms and Rude Ranch, are coming from. RR has a
RE: Rude Ranch-Chris
Well time went on and he just sort of made himself comfortable-and you know how that goes! Well the tussles between Romeo and Tucson make me really wish I could talk 'cat' language! The thing is that he is NEVER the aggressor. The only time they start fighting is when she corners him. Having been out on the street for so long, he's better at it and she always gets the short end but that doesn't stop her! Never ever had that experience with cats before so it's a real stumper! He's getting a little braver about coming into a room when she's there but is she spots him, she usually lets him walk a couple of feet and then goes charging. What's really weird is that at meal time, he comes trotting out and will stand there and meow with the rest of them as I open the food and nobody goes after anybody else. Or if a stranger comes in the apartment, they all go scurrying under one of the beds and will stay nose to nose for hours without so much as a hiss! Go figure. Chris mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of tamara stickler Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 10:12 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Rude Ranch-Chris Thanks Chris! I do think about Big Boy alot, and thought perhaps you had chosen to keep him. Romeo is a good name for him! Sorry about having to keep him separated from your girl. Once again we are treading the same path, as my most recent rescue does not get along with my female, Coebeio. Coey absolutely hates him and growls at him until he, having had enough goes after her. Since he's only about 1 or so, and oh, 3-4 lbs heaver than Coey (a senior), I too have to keep Tully locked behind three stacked babygates covering the doorway between my studio and the rest of the apt. I was hoping that this would help the felines to get used to one anotherits been about 5 months now...and no go. To make it worse...Tully is prone to urine infections crystals and has asthmaooo here's yet ANOTHER foster animal that will be with me forever. HAI really think I must be doing something wrong! I have friends who feed their cats and dogs crap (supermarket Walmart brand food)let them come and go outside without supervisionHere I'm trying to feed my animals human-grade quality foods like Merrik and EVO...and each one of them has been a special needs critter...heart conditions, asthma, skin cancer, cancer, brain tumors, cat herpes, ibd, seizers, pancreitis attackshell...I even had a diabetic guinea pig, a few one-eyed goldfish, AND a pearl scale goldfish-that couldn't swim-lived three years...had to be scooped up off the bottom of the tank to be fed each day, wiggled his way along the bottom, but couldn't float to save his life! Anyway..sorry for ranting...I'm glad you and Romeo are doing so well! Thanks again for the support! Take care God Bless. T Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Haven't chimed in too often lately but just want to offer another perspective. Tamara I were both looking for someplace for one of our cats-she for Simms, me for Big Boy. We touched base with each other to compare notes I remember when this all happened. Being a total neophyte at this, I so appreciated some of the tips Tamara and other members of this group gave me. I remember that what struck me was how frightening the whole process was. I sort of had to take stranger's word that they were going to take care of BB as well as I would have! In these 'travels' looking for a new home for BB, I ran across some pretty scary people. One local guy was the 'collector' for FELV+ cats that showed up in any rescue/shelter. He never let anybody come to his home simply picked up the cats in various parking lots. When I talked to him, he made it clear that he had plenty of cats but would never let anyone even come to inspect, much less visit. Now he may have been wonderful, but who knows?? But everyone raved about what a nice guy he was-how could responsible rescue/shelter workers recommend him so highly if they had never been there??? As far as Rude Ranch, like everyone else, I suspect they are also overloaded-going to fosters sounds great but it takes a lot of work to monitor those fosters. Sadly, my experience with BB search w. my Katrina work, has shown that very few agencies/shelters/rescues ever take a look at their foster--many don't even have a home visit to begin with-much less a visit after they receive animals. I know that most fosters are GREAT situations-but it only takes one poor/marginal one to ruin it for everybody. Tamara's heads up to me way back then saved me a long trip down to Maryland, and more importandly saved me from making what could have been a bad placement for him. Over the last few years, I've looked to this group for so much-and found that everybody could be open honest here. We need to give each other some
Re: Rude Ranch
MC wrote: so if we see good people getting in over their heads, or in temporary trouble (sickness, having surgery, loss of volunteers or fosters), we really need to help them out--in the end, it benefits everyone. it's when people refuse to acknowledge or accept help that bells need to go off. i'm not talking about folks who just don't want to burden others, but those who flat-out refuse any assistance, insisting they can do it themselves when clearly they cannot... I agree. That's what scared me about the woman who originally agreed to take Simms. After seeing her place, I called her back and told her I had five volunteers lined up who had agreed to come help her finish insulating the garage where she kept the felv+ cats, build new cat trees and levels for them and her healthy foster cats and even help her husband build the larger shed he told me he wanted to build for the healthy foster cats that she had. I told her all her hubby had to do was get us a list of the materials he needed, give us a weekend or two when it would be good for them, and we'd be there. She declined. Oh no, we are perfectly capable of handling this on our own, thank you. We don't need any assistance. (This from the woman who was telling me a week earlier that she could really use some help.) Her husband talked to me when I went back to pick up Simms to place him with Anne and told me he really appreciated my offer to help, and wishes his wife would have accepted...but, she is just so driven...she can't help herself and its all I can do to keep up. I really wish she'd cut back, but she'll do what she wants to. ...every time I see a news report about an animal collector whose been busted...I think it must be her...but not yet. Perhaps she did accept SOMEONE'S offer to help. T TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: well said. what's really sad is that, with the in-fighting that goes on, people are sometimes afraid to ask for help when they need it. or if they DO ask for it, it's either used against them, or they don't receive it. it IS hard to learn to know your own limits, to say 'no,' especially when we do know what the alternative is, especially for the FIVs and FeLVs. but if we burnt out, and don't care of ourselves, we ultimately end up not being able to take care of ANY of them so if we see good people getting in over their heads, or in temporary trouble (sickness, having surgery, loss of volunteers or fosters), we really need to help them out--in the end, it benefits everyone. it's when people refuse to acknowledge or accept help that bells need to go off. i'm not talking about folks who just don't want to burden others, but those who flat-out refuse any assistance, insisting they can do it themselves when clearly they cannot... the only way this works is if we work together. MC On 2/5/07, Kelly L wrote: At 01:20 PM 2/5/2007, you wrote: Maybe just letting people know to really check out ANY place where you cat ends up...and make appointments to do follow ups, I personally do home checks when I adopt out any kitty or dog, and I do follow ups, One of my kitties. Little came back to me this week, I kept in very close touch with the adopters and it just wasn't working out so I went and got him,I thanked the very nice people for recognizing that it was not the best situationand making sure LITTLE cane home and of course refunded them the adoption feeand offered to let them come visit Little any time, All of this is time consuming but necessary. We have a local rescue I would not leave an animal atShe is overburdened and cannot say no,,I try to help her, and she does the very best she can, Would I turn her in or alert others.. I would never turn her in as the animals are fat and vetted and warm in the winter, It is not ideal, but beats the hell out of the alternativeThey are not caged and they are loved and she does work her butt off getting them adopted, Not to my standards, but then realizing there is a chance they get out and get hit by a car, Yup that could happen, or they could have been held in a shelter and then killed, We do our best, I see so much animosity amongst rescue groups it makes me sad sometimes,l Kelly here i go being terminally libra again--ON THE OTHER paw. this is a pretty closed list, with people particularly attuned to the needs of special-needs cats, so not as public as some. many, many of us in rescue had heard things about angel wings, and we did nothing. we didn't want to cause trouble, we didn't want to make false accusations about a place that had once been a really good place; we ignored a LOT of warning signs. there needs to be a middle ground between doing nothing, and rushing to judgment. i'm not sure what it is, but i don't want another angel wings. if you're in rescue, you CONSTANTLY hear of rescues and sanctuaries that turn out to be bad, and that fooled a lot of
RE: Bart
Dearest Patti, Praying as hard as I can for Bart, Patti, and for you to feel strong when you take him to the vet. I'm so glad Charity led him to you as she surely did. And, you're so right--he does now have you on his side, and now knows what it is to be loved and cared for. (Looking at my watch, and you being ET, I think maybe you've been to the vet by now?) Keep us posted when you have the energy/time. big hugs to you both, Kerry M -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 3:06 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Bart Just wanted to update (and ask for prayers) about Bart.. Have a vet appt. @ 9:00 AM, can't sleep. I'm too worried Besides his bloating being very skinny --- tonight when I picked him up to put a warmer under his bed, he criedas if in pain. (Poor boy, probably IS ) Another thing. he is hardly eating at all.. I believe the night of the blizzard, Charity wanted me to help her companion Why she wouldn't allow me to scruff her in yard, and ended up making me follow her out to barn, where, miraculously, Bart was there It's like she knew he was sick needed help, so she led me to him. I spent many hours in barn w/ him tonight, mainly to observe. He was curled up in his bed, and, every now then, looking up to make sure Mom was still there. After his crying when I lifted him, I was afraid to hold him. Didn't want to put him in any more pain. And now I'm sure, he is in pain, probably too much.. Poor boy. My heart is breaking because I hate having to make that decision. However, I have promised ALL my babies that I will never let them suffer. I really believe that the meanest, feral cat I have ever encountered, does know trust me, that's why he's done such a turn-around. He knows I will take care of him, regardless of what he's suffering from I can only take comfort that if I have to euthanize him, at least he won't just suffer die (alone) out on the streets. I am NOT looking forward to tomorrow, but, I know Bart does need veterinary help..Only wish he would have trusted me sooner. Better go, and try to get some rest. I'm going to be a real nut-case tomorrow for sure. Please, say a prayer (or whatever your venue is) for my dear Bart,,, Ditto that for me.. I am so scared heartbroken. Will update after Bart's appt. WISH FOR THE BEST! PLEASE? Hugs, http://cdn-cf.aol.com/se/clip_art/peeps-emt/love/clips/clip2-love2 Patti Bart the rest of the clan http://cdn-cf.aol.com/se/clip_art/gstres/anmls/cat IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: Rude Ranch-Chris
I wish I knew too! Maybe someday, SOMEONE will figure it out... Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Well time went on and he just sort of made himself comfortableand you know how that goes! Well the tussles between Romeo and Tucson make me really wish I could talk cat language! The thing is that he is NEVER the aggressor. The only time they start fighting is when she corners him. Having been out on the street for so long, hes better at it and she always gets the short end but that doesnt stop her! Never ever had that experience with cats before so its a real stumper! Hes getting a little braver about coming into a room when shes there but is she spots him, she usually lets him walk a couple of feet and then goes charging. Whats really weird is that at meal time, he comes trotting out and will stand there and meow with the rest of them as I open the food and nobody goes after anybody else. Or if a stranger comes in the apartment, they all go scurrying under one of the beds and will stay nose to nose for hours without so much as a hiss! Go figure. Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of tamara stickler Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 10:12 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Rude Ranch-Chris Thanks Chris! I do think about Big Boy alot, and thought perhaps you had chosen to keep him. Romeo is a good name for him! Sorry about having to keep him separated from your girl. Once again we are treading the same path, as my most recent rescue does not get along with my female, Coebeio. Coey absolutely hates him and growls at him until he, having had enough goes after her. Since he's only about 1 or so, and oh, 3-4 lbs heaver than Coey (a senior), I too have to keep Tully locked behind three stacked babygates covering the doorway between my studio and the rest of the apt. I was hoping that this would help the felines to get used to one anotherits been about 5 months now...and no go. To make it worse...Tully is prone to urine infections crystals and has asthmaooo here's yet ANOTHER foster animal that will be with me forever. HAI really think I must be doing something wrong! I have friends who feed their cats and dogs crap (supermarket Walmart brand food)let them come and go outside without supervisionHere I'm trying to feed my animals human-grade quality foods like Merrik and EVO...and each one of them has been a special needs critter...heart conditions, asthma, skin cancer, cancer, brain tumors, cat herpes, ibd, seizers, pancreitis attackshell...I even had a diabetic guinea pig, a few one-eyed goldfish, AND a pearl scale goldfish-that couldn't swim-lived three years...had to be scooped up off the bottom of the tank to be fed each day, wiggled his way along the bottom, but couldn't float to save his life! Anyway..sorry for ranting...I'm glad you and Romeo are doing so well! Thanks again for the support! Take care God Bless. T Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Havent chimed in too often lately but just want to offer another perspective. Tamara I were both looking for someplace for one of our catsshe for Simms, me for Big Boy. We touched base with each other to compare notes I remember when this all happened. Being a total neophyte at this, I so appreciated some of the tips Tamara and other members of this group gave me. I remember that what struck me was how frightening the whole process was. I sort of had to take strangers word that they were going to take care of BB as well as I would have! In these travels looking for a new home for BB, I ran across some pretty scary people. One local guy was the collector for FELV+ cats that showed up in any rescue/shelter. He never let anybody come to his home simply picked up the cats in various parking lots. When I talked to him, he made it clear that he had plenty of cats but would never let anyone even come to inspect, much less visit. Now he may have been wonderful, but who knows?? But everyone raved about what a nice guy he washow could responsible rescue/shelter workers recommend him so highly if they had never been there??? As far as Rude Ranch, like everyone else, I suspect they are also overloadedgoing to fosters sounds great but it takes a lot of work to monitor those fosters. Sadly, my experience with BB search w. my Katrina work, has shown that very few agencies/shelters/rescues ever take a look at their foster--many dont even have a home visit to begin withmuch less a visit after they receive animals. I know that most fosters are GREAT situationsbut it only takes one poor/marginal one to ruin it for everybody. Tamaras heads up to me way back then saved me a long trip down to Maryland, and more importandly saved me from
Please add my Leader to the CLS
Just as I had feared, my little miracle man, Leader, was dead when I got home yesterday evening.I'd given him a kiss and he'd meowed me a little good bye before I left him -- all wrapped up in the sweatshirt I'd slept in and cuddled warm on my bed with some of his buddies staying close. Born with feline leukemia, and my bottle baby from age 3 weeks, he outlived his 5 brothers and sisters by years - in fact he was just a couple of months shy of six years. Someone said to me yesterday that I must have given him good care -- but I know it wasn't the care he received; his littermates all got the same care and Mittens, his brother who went to live with Gloria, got better, more consistent good care.It was just the luck of the draw. I am so honored to have had him in my life for so long. He was truly amazing, and I shall miss him terribly - as I did last night when I reached out and he wasn't by my head.
Re: Rude Ranch
unfortunately, from what you saw, and what her husband said, she most probably did NOT accept any help. and, sadly, it probably will come to the point where she'll be on the news one day... this is when the now-trendy concept of intervention comes in at least the husband recognizes there's a problem too many times there IS that martyr complex, and the piece of the classic hoarder/collector syndrome where the people really believe that only they are able to truly care for the critters in the correct way. i don't know what the answer is; at what point our responsibility as rescuers and guardians of the animals kicks in, and others' rights to privacy ends. MC -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
RE: Please add my Leader to the CLS
I'm so sorry, Susan. Gentle Bridge vibes to Leader. Diane R. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Loesch Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 9:47 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Please add my Leader to the CLS Just as I had feared, my little miracle man, Leader, was dead when I got home yesterday evening.I'd given him a kiss and he'd meowed me a little good bye before I left him -- all wrapped up in the sweatshirt I'd slept in and cuddled warm on my bed with some of his buddies staying close. Born with feline leukemia, and my bottle baby from age 3 weeks, he outlived his 5 brothers and sisters by years - in fact he was just a couple of months shy of six years. Someone said to me yesterday that I must have given him good care -- but I know it wasn't the care he received; his littermates all got the same care and Mittens, his brother who went to live with Gloria, got better, more consistent good care. It was just the luck of the draw. I am so honored to have had him in my life for so long. He was truly amazing, and I shall miss him terribly - as I did last night when I reached out and he wasn't by my head. This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties.
Re: Please add my Leader to the CLS
may the blessings of light be with him, light outside and light within him. fly gently, sweet leader--be healthy and free and play forever! MC On 2/6/07, Susan Loesch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just as I had feared, my little miracle man, Leader, was dead when I got home yesterday evening.I'd given him a kiss and he'd meowed me a little good bye before I left him -- all wrapped up in the sweatshirt I'd slept in and cuddled warm on my bed with some of his buddies staying close. Born with feline leukemia, and my bottle baby from age 3 weeks, he outlived his 5 brothers and sisters by years - in fact he was just a couple of months shy of six years. Someone said to me yesterday that I must have given him good care -- but I know it wasn't the care he received; his littermates all got the same care and Mittens, his brother who went to live with Gloria, got better, more consistent good care.It was just the luck of the draw. I am so honored to have had him in my life for so long. He was truly amazing, and I shall miss him terribly - as I did last night when I reached out and he wasn't by my head. -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
RE: Please add my Leader to the CLS
Oh, Susan, I'm so sorry. I'm glad you were able to say goodbye to your sweet little Leader, and that he was surrounded--literally--by a cosy symbol of your love and caring for him, and by his closest furbuddies. I'm so glad that he found you, in the first place. love and hugs, Kerryxx -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Loesch Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 9:47 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Please add my Leader to the CLS Just as I had feared, my little miracle man, Leader, was dead when I got home yesterday evening.I'd given him a kiss and he'd meowed me a little good bye before I left him -- all wrapped up in the sweatshirt I'd slept in and cuddled warm on my bed with some of his buddies staying close. Born with feline leukemia, and my bottle baby from age 3 weeks, he outlived his 5 brothers and sisters by years - in fact he was just a couple of months shy of six years. Someone said to me yesterday that I must have given him good care -- but I know it wasn't the care he received; his littermates all got the same care and Mittens, his brother who went to live with Gloria, got better, more consistent good care. It was just the luck of the draw. I am so honored to have had him in my life for so long. He was truly amazing, and I shall miss him terribly - as I did last night when I reached out and he wasn't by my head. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: Rude Ranch
I have been reading the many messages concerning Rude Ranch with considerable interest since I seem to have opened up discussion about RR. Admittedly I have had only one experience and that was my recent adoption of one of their felv+ cats. It may well be that there were problems in the past. I have a feeling that some of the less-than-positive experiences go back several years ago, to the time before Bob and Kathy Rude moved to the very large house they now run as a shelter/sanctuary. The descriptions provided in a number of the e-mails do not match what I saw during my visit on December 22, 2006. The pictures posted on their web page, http://www.ruderanch.org, are an accurate depiction of what I saw. Leah -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of TenHouseCats Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 10:51 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Rude Ranch unfortunately, from what you saw, and what her husband said, she most probably did NOT accept any help. and, sadly, it probably will come to the point where she'll be on the news one day... this is when the now-trendy concept of intervention comes in at least the husband recognizes there's a problem too many times there IS that martyr complex, and the piece of the classic hoarder/collector syndrome where the people really believe that only they are able to truly care for the critters in the correct way. i don't know what the answer is; at what point our responsibility as rescuers and guardians of the animals kicks in, and others' rights to privacy ends. MC -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: Please add my Leader to the CLS
*Susan, my heart is just breaking for you. I lost my soul-kitty Wheezie on Saturday... and it was one of the most difficult losses I've ever had to cope with. He was the love of my life... so I can imagine a bottle baby you've had from so young. We feel so helpless sometimes... Wheezie had congestive heart failure that we were treating for over six months with a cardiologist... but I know the feeling of leaving in the morning and praying when you open the door at the end of the day that his beautiful face would be there to greet me. I'm so sorry for your loss Susan... we all are. Hopefully Wheezie and Leader are playing together pain free and happy* **hugs** *Leslie =^..^=* On 2/6/07, Susan Loesch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just as I had feared, my little miracle man, Leader, was dead when I got home yesterday evening.I'd given him a kiss and he'd meowed me a little good bye before I left him -- all wrapped up in the sweatshirt I'd slept in and cuddled warm on my bed with some of his buddies staying close. Born with feline leukemia, and my bottle baby from age 3 weeks, he outlived his 5 brothers and sisters by years - in fact he was just a couple of months shy of six years. Someone said to me yesterday that I must have given him good care -- but I know it wasn't the care he received; his littermates all got the same care and Mittens, his brother who went to live with Gloria, got better, more consistent good care.It was just the luck of the draw. I am so honored to have had him in my life for so long. He was truly amazing, and I shall miss him terribly - as I did last night when I reached out and he wasn't by my head. -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
Re: Please add my Leader to the CLS
Hi Susan So sorry for your loss. He was so lucky to have you and you were lucky to have him for those years. May he have a gentle journey as he meets up with his litter mates. Sally Davis On 2/6/07, Susan Loesch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just as I had feared, my little miracle man, Leader, was dead when I got home yesterday evening.I'd given him a kiss and he'd meowed me a little good bye before I left him -- all wrapped up in the sweatshirt I'd slept in and cuddled warm on my bed with some of his buddies staying close. Born with feline leukemia, and my bottle baby from age 3 weeks, he outlived his 5 brothers and sisters by years - in fact he was just a couple of months shy of six years. Someone said to me yesterday that I must have given him good care -- but I know it wasn't the care he received; his littermates all got the same care and Mittens, his brother who went to live with Gloria, got better, more consistent good care.It was just the luck of the draw. I am so honored to have had him in my life for so long. He was truly amazing, and I shall miss him terribly - as I did last night when I reached out and he wasn't by my head. -- Junior needs your help with his care fighting Feline Leukemia. Our story www.geocities.com/dmyllas/sally_page.html please help us if you can https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_xclickbusiness=puttyrat%40k6az.com
RE: Rude Ranch
Again, Leah, The description I relayed was not at Rude Ranch, but at the farm of a rescuer that claimed to be helping RR with fostering overflow cats...and yes, Bob Rude was the name of the person who I had contacted regarding placing Simms there before the other woman (mentioned above) volunteered to give him a forever home. It is HER place I described. I never visited RR. T Wolf, Leah R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been reading the many messages concerning Rude Ranch with considerable interest since I seem to have opened up discussion about RR. Admittedly I have had only one experience and that was my recent adoption of one of their felv+ cats. It may well be that there were problems in the past. I have a feeling that some of the less-than-positive experiences go back several years ago, to the time before Bob and Kathy Rude moved to the very large house they now run as a shelter/sanctuary. The descriptions provided in a number of the e-mails do not match what I saw during my visit on December 22, 2006. The pictures posted on their web page, http://www.ruderanch.org, are an accurate depiction of what I saw. Leah -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of TenHouseCats Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 10:51 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Rude Ranch unfortunately, from what you saw, and what her husband said, she most probably did NOT accept any help. and, sadly, it probably will come to the point where she'll be on the news one day... this is when the now-trendy concept of intervention comes in at least the husband recognizes there's a problem too many times there IS that martyr complex, and the piece of the classic hoarder/collector syndrome where the people really believe that only they are able to truly care for the critters in the correct way. i don't know what the answer is; at what point our responsibility as rescuers and guardians of the animals kicks in, and others' rights to privacy ends. MC -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 - The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing.
RE: Please add my Leader to the CLS
Thanks, Kerry. Leader and his littermates were my first experience with feline leukemia positives. Guess I kind of learned on them. At that time I separated negatives and positives and didn't know anything at all about how to treat this disease. Guess Leader's legacy and that of his littermates is that now I take in feline leukemia positives on a regular basis and they mix freely with my other cats. (And all negatives who have been retested have still been negative!!) MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Oh, Susan, I'm so sorry. I'm glad you were able to say goodbye to your sweet little Leader, and that he was surrounded--literally--by a cosy symbol of your love and caring for him, and by his closest furbuddies. I'm so glad that he found you, in the first place. love and hugs, Kerryxx -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Loesch Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 9:47 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Please add my Leader to the CLS Just as I had feared, my little miracle man, Leader, was dead when I got home yesterday evening.I'd given him a kiss and he'd meowed me a little good bye before I left him -- all wrapped up in the sweatshirt I'd slept in and cuddled warm on my bed with some of his buddies staying close. Born with feline leukemia, and my bottle baby from age 3 weeks, he outlived his 5 brothers and sisters by years - in fact he was just a couple of months shy of six years. Someone said to me yesterday that I must have given him good care -- but I know it wasn't the care he received; his littermates all got the same care and Mittens, his brother who went to live with Gloria, got better, more consistent good care.It was just the luck of the draw. I am so honored to have had him in my life for so long. He was truly amazing, and I shall miss him terribly - as I did last night when I reached out and he wasn't by my head. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: Rude Ranch-Chris--Tamara o/t
Ah yes...I suppose it would...with the exception of the fact that it didn't end
well for ol' Frick...but I suppose I COULD change thathehe..hmm...should I
begin that career by lying to children...HA!
I'll think about it. Thanks! ;-)
MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hey Tamara
I'm just dipping in here...haven't read anything else today yetbut I love
the story of how you looked after your little goldfish for 3 years--just read
it out to my co-worker--Tamara, weren't you the listmember who had some
children's book ideas up her sleevemy co-worker reckons (as I do) that the
goldfish who couldn't swim would make a great book!
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of tamara stickler
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 9:12 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: Rude Ranch-Chris
Thanks Chris!
I do think about Big Boy alot, and thought perhaps you had chosen to keep
him. Romeo is a good name for him!
Sorry about having to keep him separated from your girl. Once again we are
treading the same path, as my most recent rescue does not get along with my
female, Coebeio. Coey absolutely hates him and growls at him until he, having
had enough goes after her. Since he's only about 1 or so, and oh, 3-4 lbs
heaver than Coey (a senior), I too have to keep Tully locked behind three
stacked babygates covering the doorway between my studio and the rest of the
apt. I was hoping that this would help the felines to get used to one
anotherits been about 5 months now...and no go. To make it worse...Tully
is prone to urine infections crystals and has asthmaooo here's yet
ANOTHER foster animal that will be with me forever.
HAI really think I must be doing something wrong! I have friends who
feed their cats and dogs crap (supermarket Walmart brand food)let them
come and go outside without supervisionHere I'm trying to feed my animals
human-grade quality foods like Merrik and EVO...and each one of them has been a
special needs critter...heart conditions, asthma, skin cancer, cancer, brain
tumors, cat herpes, ibd, seizers, pancreitis attackshell...I even had a
diabetic guinea pig, a few one-eyed goldfish, AND a pearl scale goldfish-that
couldn't swim-lived three years...had to be scooped up off the bottom of
the tank to be fed each day, wiggled his way along the bottom, but couldn't
float to save his life!
Anyway..sorry for ranting...I'm glad you and Romeo are doing so well! Thanks
again for the support! Take care God Bless.
T
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Havent chimed in too often lately but just want to offer another perspective.
Tamara I were both looking for someplace for one of our catsshe for
Simms, me for Big Boy. We touched base with each other to compare notes I
remember when this all happened. Being a total neophyte at this, I so
appreciated some of the tips Tamara and other members of this group gave me. I
remember that what struck me was how frightening the whole process was. I sort
of had to take strangers word that they were going to take care of BB as well
as I would have! In these travels looking for a new home for BB, I ran
across some pretty scary people. One local guy was the collector for FELV+
cats that showed up in any rescue/shelter. He never let anybody come to his
home simply picked up the cats in various parking lots. When I talked to
him, he made it clear that he had plenty of cats but would never let anyone
even come to inspect, much less visit. Now he may have been wonderful, but who
knows?? But everyone raved about what a nice guy he washow could responsible
rescue/shelter workers recommend him so highly if they had
never been there???
As far as Rude Ranch, like everyone else, I suspect they are also
overloadedgoing to fosters sounds great but it takes a lot of work to monitor
those fosters. Sadly, my experience with BB search w. my Katrina work, has
shown that very few agencies/shelters/rescues ever take a look at their
RE: Rude Ranch
Thank you, Tamara, for the clarification. There has been such a lively discussion that it was becoming fuzzy to me what comments were being made about Rude Ranch Animal Rescue and which ones were about other shelters and individuals. Leah _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of tamara stickler Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 11:44 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Rude Ranch Again, Leah, The description I relayed was not at Rude Ranch, but at the farm of a rescuer that claimed to be helping RR with fostering overflow cats...and yes, Bob Rude was the name of the person who I had contacted regarding placing Simms there before the other woman (mentioned above) volunteered to give him a forever home. It is HER place I described. I never visited RR. T Wolf, Leah R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been reading the many messages concerning Rude Ranch with considerable interest since I seem to have opened up discussion about RR. Admittedly I have had only one experience and that was my recent adoption of one of their felv+ cats. It may well be that there were problems in the past. I have a feeling that some of the less-than-positive experiences go back several years ago, to the time before Bob and Kathy Rude moved to the very large house they now run as a shelter/sanctuary. The descriptions provided in a number of the e-mails do not match what I saw during my visit on December 22, 2006. The pictures posted on their web page, http://www.ruderanch.org, are an accurate depiction of what I saw. Leah -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of TenHouseCats Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 10:51 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Rude Ranch unfortunately, from what you saw, and what her husband said, she most probably did NOT accept any help. and, sadly, it probably will come to the point where she'll be on the news one day... this is when the now-trendy concept of intervention comes in at least the husband recognizes there's a problem too many times there IS that martyr complex, and the piece of the classic hoarder/collector syndrome where the people really believe that only they are able to truly care for the critters in the correct way. i don't know what the answer is; at what point our responsibility as rescuers and guardians of the animals kicks in, and others' rights to privacy ends. MC -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 _ The fish are biting. Get http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=49679/*http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/arp/spon soredsearch_v2.php?o=US2140cmp=Yahooctv=Q107Taglines=Ys2=EMb=50 more visitors on your site using Yahoo! http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=49679/*http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/arp/spon soredsearch_v2.php?o=US2140cmp=Yahooctv=Q107Taglines=Ys2=EMb=50 Search Marketing.
Re: Rude Ranch
i never thought the description was about rude ranch, but i DO think the discussion itself has been VERY valuable. MC On 2/6/07, tamara stickler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Again, Leah, The description I relayed was not at Rude Ranch, but at the farm of a rescuer that claimed to be helping RR with fostering overflow cats...and yes, Bob Rude was the name of the person who I had contacted regarding placing Simms there before the other woman (mentioned above) volunteered to give him a forever home. It is HER place I described. I never visited RR. T Wolf, Leah R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been reading the many messages concerning Rude Ranch with considerable interest since I seem to have opened up discussion about RR. Admittedly I have had only one experience and that was my recent adoption of one of their felv+ cats. It may well be that there were problems in the past. I have a feeling that some of the less-than-positive experiences go back several years ago, to the time before Bob and Kathy Rude moved to the very large house they now run as a shelter/sanctuary. The descriptions provided in a number of the e-mails do not match what I saw during my visit on December 22, 2006. The pictures posted on their web page, http://www.ruderanch.org, are an accurate depiction of what I saw. Leah -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of TenHouseCats Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 10:51 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Rude Ranch unfortunately, from what you saw, and what her husband said, she most probably did NOT accept any help. and, sadly, it probably will come to the point where she'll be on the news one day... this is when the now-trendy concept of intervention comes in at least the husband recognizes there's a problem too many times there IS that martyr complex, and the piece of the classic hoarder/collector syndrome where the people really believe that only they are able to truly care for the critters in the correct way. i don't know what the answer is; at what point our responsibility as rescuers and guardians of the animals kicks in, and others' rights to privacy ends. MC -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: Rude Ranch-Chris--Tamara o/t
heck, everyone ELSE lies to children. On 2/6/07, tamara stickler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah yes...I suppose it would...with the exception of the fact that it didn't end well for ol' Frick...but I suppose I COULD change thathehe..hmm...should I begin that career by lying to children...HA! I'll think about it. Thanks! ;-) MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
To Susan RE: Please add to CLS and Special Needs List
Susan, I am so sorry to hear about Buddy. You were so good to him. I am still hoping for a miracle though that it wasn't him that was hit by the car. I really hope that you will be able to find Sissy and that she trusts you to take care of her. I hate that she might have lost her beloved brother. Maybe she will turn to you for direction. I am also sorry to that Leader is sick. I am hoping he will pull through. :) Wendy TV dinner still cooling? Check out Tonight's Picks on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/
Re: Please add my Leader to the CLS
Susan, I am sorry. I hadn't read about Leader passing when I wrote my previous email. It has been a hard week for you. What a lucky guy to have been loved by you the way he was. Be gentle with yourself right now. :) Wendy Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097
Re: Bart
Patti, I hope and pray that Bart gets good news at the vet's. Please keep us posted on him. :) Wendy --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just wanted to update (and ask for prayers) about Bart.. Have a vet appt. @ 9:00 AM, can't sleep. I'm too worried Besides his bloating being very skinny --- tonight when I picked him up to put a warmer under his bed, he criedas if in pain. (Poor boy, probably IS ) Another thing. he is hardly eating at all.. I believe the night of the blizzard, Charity wanted me to help her companion Why she wouldn't allow me to scruff her in yard, and ended up making me follow her out to barn, where, miraculously, Bart was there It's like she knew he was sick needed help, so she led me to him. I spent many hours in barn w/ him tonight, mainly to observe. He was curled up in his bed, and, every now then, looking up to make sure Mom was still there. After his crying when I lifted him, I was afraid to hold him. Didn't want to put him in any more pain. And now I'm sure, he is in pain, probably too much.. Poor boy. My heart is breaking because I hate having to make that decision. However, I have promised ALL my babies that I will never let them suffer. I really believe that the meanest, feral cat I have ever encountered, does know trust me, that's why he's done such a turn-around. He knows I will take care of him, regardless of what he's suffering from I can only take comfort that if I have to euthanize him, at least he won't just suffer die (alone) out on the streets. I am NOT looking forward to tomorrow, but, I know Bart does need veterinary help..Only wish he would have trusted me sooner. Better go, and try to get some rest. I'm going to be a real nut-case tomorrow for sure. Please, say a prayer (or whatever your venue is) for my dear Bart,,, Ditto that for me.. I am so scared heartbroken. Will update after Bart's appt. WISH FOR THE BEST! PLEASE? Hugs, Patti Bart the rest of the clan Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/domains/?p=BESTDEAL
Re: Bart
Oh Patti, I have been exactly where you are too many times. The thought that keeps running through my mind is how much harder it is on our friends and on us when we see them suffering and are not in a position to help. The frantic feeling when we are witness to their suffering, but they remain just out of reach is almost too hard to bear. MC is right, Charity and Bart have given you the gift of trust. You my dear are trustworthy. No matter how difficult, whatever decisions you make for Bart will come from love and concern. They put themselves in your hands because they know that. Sending love, comfort and prayers that the news is good from the vet, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just wanted to update (and ask for prayers) about Bart.. Have a vet appt. @ 9:00 AM, can't sleep. I'm too worried Besides his bloating being very skinny --- tonight when I picked him up to put a warmer under his bed, he criedas if in pain. (Poor boy, probably IS ) Another thing. he is hardly eating at all.. I believe the night of the blizzard, Charity */wanted/* me to help her companion Why she wouldn't allow me to scruff her in yard, and ended up making me follow her out to barn, where, miraculously, Bart was there It's like she /knew/ he was sick needed help, so she led me to him. I spent many hours in barn w/ him tonight, mainly to observe. He was curled up in his bed, and, every now then, looking up to make sure Mom was still there. After his crying when I lifted him, I was afraid to hold him. Didn't want to put him in any more pain. And now I'm sure, he *is* in pain, probably too much.. Poor boy. My heart is breaking because I */hate/* having to make that decision. However, I have promised ALL my babies that I will never let them suffer. I really believe that the meanest, feral cat I have ever encountered, does know trust me, that's why he's done such a turn-around. He *knows* I will take care of him, regardless of what he's suffering from I can only take comfort that if I have to euthanize him, at least he won't just suffer die (alone) out on the streets. I am *NOT* looking forward to tomorrow, but, I know Bart does need veterinary help..Only wish he would have trusted me sooner. Better go, and try to get some rest. I'm going to be a real nut-case tomorrow for sure. Please, say a prayer (or whatever your venue is) for my dear Bart,,, Ditto that for me.. I am so scared heartbroken. Will update after Bart's appt. *WISH FOR THE BEST! /PLEASE?/* Hugs, Patti Bart the rest of the clan
Re: Please add my Leader to the CLS
Oh Susan add my tears to yours about gentle Leader. As you probably recall, my first experience with felv came from a litter of bottle babies too. How very hard it must be to say goodbye to the last of that litter, but oh how he and they, touched your life and so many others that followed! Your right when you talk about the legacy of good they leave behind. Bless you and all your furry loves. Maybe you could ask those guys in spirit to help convince Sissy to let you help her as well. Thank you Susan for being who you are and caring so very much. Such sad news, first Buddy and now Leader, sending you strength and gratitude for all the lives you touch, Nina Susan Loesch wrote: Thanks, Kerry. Leader and his littermates were my first experience with feline leukemia positives. Guess I kind of learned on them. At that time I separated negatives and positives and didn't know anything at all about how to treat this disease. Guess Leader's legacy and that of his littermates is that now I take in feline leukemia positives on a regular basis and they mix freely with my other cats. (And all negatives who have been retested have still been negative!!)
Leslie and Wheezie
Leslie, I'm so sorry to hear about Wheezie. Sometimes I feel like I just can't stand all the loss, but somehow we force ourselves to go on. You'd think that knowing our loved ones are in jeopardy would somehow prepare us, somehow make that fateful day when we are forced to say goodbye easier, but for me it never does. It always tears my heart apart. They are all so special, but some touch our lives so deeply, in ways we can't even put into words. I just wanted you to know I get it and I'm so very sorry. Prayers that soon you'll be smiling through your tears at all the wonderful memories of your beloved Wheezie. With love, Nina Leslie Lawther wrote: *Susan, my heart is just breaking for you. I lost my soul-kitty Wheezie on Saturday... and it was one of the most difficult losses I've ever had to cope with. He was the love of my life... so I can imagine a bottle baby you've had from so young. We feel so helpless sometimes... Wheezie had congestive heart failure that we were treating for over six months with a cardiologist... but I know the feeling of leaving in the morning and praying when you open the door at the end of the day that his beautiful face would be there to greet me. I'm so sorry for your loss Susan... we all are. Hopefully Wheezie and Leader are playing together pain free and happy * **hugs** *Leslie =^..^=*
Re: Please add my Leader to the CLS
Susan, I am so sorry you lost precious Leader. I can just imagine the love both of you shared for each other even more so since you had bottle fed him. I am sorry the last few days have been so terrible first losing Buddy and now Leader. Your in my thoughts and prayers. Cindy Reasoner --- Leslie Lawther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *Susan, my heart is just breaking for you. I lost my soul-kitty Wheezie on Saturday... and it was one of the most difficult losses I've ever had to cope with. He was the love of my life... so I can imagine a bottle baby you've had from so young. We feel so helpless sometimes... Wheezie had congestive heart failure that we were treating for over six months with a cardiologist... but I know the feeling of leaving in the morning and praying when you open the door at the end of the day that his beautiful face would be there to greet me. I'm so sorry for your loss Susan... we all are. Hopefully Wheezie and Leader are playing together pain free and happy* **hugs** *Leslie =^..^=* On 2/6/07, Susan Loesch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just as I had feared, my little miracle man, Leader, was dead when I got home yesterday evening.I'd given him a kiss and he'd meowed me a little good bye before I left him -- all wrapped up in the sweatshirt I'd slept in and cuddled warm on my bed with some of his buddies staying close. Born with feline leukemia, and my bottle baby from age 3 weeks, he outlived his 5 brothers and sisters by years - in fact he was just a couple of months shy of six years. Someone said to me yesterday that I must have given him good care -- but I know it wasn't the care he received; his littermates all got the same care and Mittens, his brother who went to live with Gloria, got better, more consistent good care.It was just the luck of the draw. I am so honored to have had him in my life for so long. He was truly amazing, and I shall miss him terribly - as I did last night when I reached out and he wasn't by my head. -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com
Re: Bart
Prayers for you and for Bart elizabeth On 2/6/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just wanted to update (and ask for prayers) about Bart.. Have a vet appt. @ 9:00 AM, can't sleep. I'm too worried Besides his bloating being very skinny --- tonight when I picked him up to put a warmer under his bed, he criedas if in pain. (Poor boy, probably IS ) Another thing. he is hardly eating at all.. I believe the night of the blizzard, Charity *wanted* me to help her companion Why she wouldn't allow me to scruff her in yard, and ended up making me follow her out to barn, where, miraculously, Bart was there It's like she *knew* he was sick needed help, so she led me to him. I spent many hours in barn w/ him tonight, mainly to observe. He was curled up in his bed, and, every now then, looking up to make sure Mom was still there. After his crying when I lifted him, I was afraid to hold him. Didn't want to put him in any more pain. And now I'm sure, he *is* in pain, probably too much.. Poor boy. My heart is breaking because I *hate* having to make that decision. However, I have promised ALL my babies that I will never let them suffer. I really believe that the meanest, feral cat I have ever encountered, does know trust me, that's why he's done such a turn-around. He *knows* I will take care of him, regardless of what he's suffering from I can only take comfort that if I have to euthanize him, at least he won't just suffer die (alone) out on the streets. I am *NOT* looking forward to tomorrow, but, I know Bart does need veterinary help..Only wish he would have trusted me sooner. Better go, and try to get some rest. I'm going to be a real nut-case tomorrow for sure. Please, say a prayer (or whatever your venue is) for my dear Bart,,, Ditto that for me.. I am so scared heartbroken. Will update after Bart's appt. *WISH FOR THE BEST! PLEASE?* Hugs, Patti Bart the rest of the clan
Re: Rude Ranch-Chris--Tamara o/t
HEHEE... hey, LOVE that qote of your's...I Just took notice of it: Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: heck, everyone ELSE lies to children. On 2/6/07, tamara stickler wrote: Ah yes...I suppose it would...with the exception of the fact that it didn't end well for ol' Frick...but I suppose I COULD change thathehe..hmm...should I begin that career by lying to children...HA! I'll think about it. Thanks! ;-) MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote: -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 - 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with theYahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut.
Re: Please add my Leader to the CLS
Susan, I am so sorry. elizabeth On 2/6/07, Susan Loesch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just as I had feared, my little miracle man, Leader, was dead when I got home yesterday evening.I'd given him a kiss and he'd meowed me a little good bye before I left him -- all wrapped up in the sweatshirt I'd slept in and cuddled warm on my bed with some of his buddies staying close. Born with feline leukemia, and my bottle baby from age 3 weeks, he outlived his 5 brothers and sisters by years - in fact he was just a couple of months shy of six years. Someone said to me yesterday that I must have given him good care -- but I know it wasn't the care he received; his littermates all got the same care and Mittens, his brother who went to live with Gloria, got better, more consistent good care.It was just the luck of the draw. I am so honored to have had him in my life for so long. He was truly amazing, and I shall miss him terribly - as I did last night when I reached out and he wasn't by my head.
RE: Leslie and Wheezie
Leslie, my condolences on the loss of your heart-kitty Wheezie. My special boy Luc is 15 and when I dare to contemplate him no longer being here it hurts like hell. Gentlest of Bridge vibes to Wheezie and hugs to you. Diane R. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 11:59 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Leslie and Wheezie Leslie, I'm so sorry to hear about Wheezie. Sometimes I feel like I just can't stand all the loss, but somehow we force ourselves to go on. You'd think that knowing our loved ones are in jeopardy would somehow prepare us, somehow make that fateful day when we are forced to say goodbye easier, but for me it never does. It always tears my heart apart. They are all so special, but some touch our lives so deeply, in ways we can't even put into words. I just wanted you to know I get it and I'm so very sorry. Prayers that soon you'll be smiling through your tears at all the wonderful memories of your beloved Wheezie. With love, Nina Leslie Lawther wrote: Susan, my heart is just breaking for you. I lost my soul-kitty Wheezie on Saturday... and it was one of the most difficult losses I've ever had to cope with. He was the love of my life... so I can imagine a bottle baby you've had from so young. We feel so helpless sometimes... Wheezie had congestive heart failure that we were treating for over six months with a cardiologist... but I know the feeling of leaving in the morning and praying when you open the door at the end of the day that his beautiful face would be there to greet me. I'm so sorry for your loss Susan... we all are. Hopefully Wheezie and Leader are playing together pain free and happy *hugs* Leslie =^..^= This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties.
Re: Rude Ranch
Ummm, would you and your volunteers like to come give me a hand at MY place? I'll accept! tamara stickler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:MC wrote: so if we see good people getting in over their heads, or in temporary trouble (sickness, having surgery, loss of volunteers or fosters), we really need to help them out--in the end, it benefits everyone. it's when people refuse to acknowledge or accept help that bells need to go off. i'm not talking about folks who just don't want to burden others, but those who flat-out refuse any assistance, insisting they can do it themselves when clearly they cannot... I agree. That's what scared me about the woman who originally agreed to take Simms. After seeing her place, I called her back and told her I had five volunteers lined up who had agreed to come help her finish insulating the garage where she kept the felv+ cats, build new cat trees and levels for them and her healthy foster cats and even help her husband build the larger shed he told me he wanted to build for the healthy foster cats that she had. I told her all her hubby had to do was get us a list of the materials he needed, give us a weekend or two when it would be good for them, and we'd be there. She declined. Oh no, we are perfectly capable of handling this on our own, thank you. We don't need any assistance. (This from the woman who was telling me a week earlier that she could really use some help.) Her husband talked to me when I went back to pick up Simms to place him with Anne and told me he really appreciated my offer to help, and wishes his wife would have accepted...but, she is just so driven...she can't help herself and its all I can do to keep up. I really wish she'd cut back, but she'll do what she wants to. ...every time I see a news report about an animal collector whose been busted...I think it must be her...but not yet. Perhaps she did accept SOMEONE'S offer to help. T TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: well said. what's really sad is that, with the in-fighting that goes on, people are sometimes afraid to ask for help when they need it. or if they DO ask for it, it's either used against them, or they don't receive it. it IS hard to learn to know your own limits, to say 'no,' especially when we do know what the alternative is, especially for the FIVs and FeLVs. but if we burnt out, and don't care of ourselves, we ultimately end up not being able to take care of ANY of them so if we see good people getting in over their heads, or in temporary trouble (sickness, having surgery, loss of volunteers or fosters), we really need to help them out--in the end, it benefits everyone. it's when people refuse to acknowledge or accept help that bells need to go off. i'm not talking about folks who just don't want to burden others, but those who flat-out refuse any assistance, insisting they can do it themselves when clearly they cannot... the only way this works is if we work together. MC On 2/5/07, Kelly L wrote: At 01:20 PM 2/5/2007, you wrote: Maybe just letting people know to really check out ANY place where you cat ends up...and make appointments to do follow ups, I personally do home checks when I adopt out any kitty or dog, and I do follow ups, One of my kitties. Little came back to me this week, I kept in very close touch with the adopters and it just wasn't working out so I went and got him,I thanked the very nice people for recognizing that it was not the best situationand making sure LITTLE cane home and of course refunded them the adoption feeand offered to let them come visit Little any time, All of this is time consuming but necessary. We have a local rescue I would not leave an animal atShe is overburdened and cannot say no,,I try to help her, and she does the very best she can, Would I turn her in or alert others.. I would never turn her in as the animals are fat and vetted and warm in the winter, It is not ideal, but beats the hell out of the alternativeThey are not caged and they are loved and she does work her butt off getting them adopted, Not to my standards, but then realizing there is a chance they get out and get hit by a car, Yup that could happen, or they could have been held in a shelter and then killed, We do our best, I see so much animosity amongst rescue groups it makes me sad sometimes,l Kelly here i go being terminally libra again--ON THE OTHER paw. this is a pretty closed list, with people particularly attuned to the needs of special-needs cats, so not as public as some. many, many of us in rescue had heard things about angel wings, and we did nothing. we didn't want to cause trouble, we didn't want to make false accusations about a place that had once been a really good place; we ignored a LOT of warning signs. there needs to be a middle ground between doing nothing, and rushing to judgment. i'm not sure what it is, but i don't want another angel
RE: Leslie and Wheezie
Leslie, I didn't seem to get your original email. I'm truly sorry to hear about your beloved Wheezie. It's so hard, suddenly not to see their sweet little faces at the door any more, when get home. I'm glad Wheezie was so cherished, and I hope all the good memories eventually bring you comfort. big hugs, Kerry M. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rosenfeldt, Diane Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 3:02 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Leslie and Wheezie Leslie, my condolences on the loss of your heart-kitty Wheezie. My special boy Luc is 15 and when I dare to contemplate him no longer being here it hurts like hell. Gentlest of Bridge vibes to Wheezie and hugs to you. Diane R. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 11:59 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Leslie and Wheezie Leslie, I'm so sorry to hear about Wheezie. Sometimes I feel like I just can't stand all the loss, but somehow we force ourselves to go on. You'd think that knowing our loved ones are in jeopardy would somehow prepare us, somehow make that fateful day when we are forced to say goodbye easier, but for me it never does. It always tears my heart apart. They are all so special, but some touch our lives so deeply, in ways we can't even put into words. I just wanted you to know I get it and I'm so very sorry. Prayers that soon you'll be smiling through your tears at all the wonderful memories of your beloved Wheezie. With love, Nina Leslie Lawther wrote: Susan, my heart is just breaking for you. I lost my soul-kitty Wheezie on Saturday... and it was one of the most difficult losses I've ever had to cope with. He was the love of my life... so I can imagine a bottle baby you've had from so young. We feel so helpless sometimes... Wheezie had congestive heart failure that we were treating for over six months with a cardiologist... but I know the feeling of leaving in the morning and praying when you open the door at the end of the day that his beautiful face would be there to greet me. I'm so sorry for your loss Susan... we all are. Hopefully Wheezie and Leader are playing together pain free and happy *hugs* Leslie =^..^= This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Re: Rude Ranch
No kidding! That was exactly what was going through my mind when reading Tamara's offer of help. I'm always wishing help like that would fall out of the sky and into my lap! Susan Hoffman wrote: Ummm, would you and your volunteers like to come give me a hand at MY place? I'll accept! */tamara stickler [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: I agree. That's what scared me about the woman who originally agreed to take Simms. After seeing her place, I called her back and told her I had five volunteers lined up who had agreed to come help her finish insulating the garage where she kept the felv+ cats, build new cat trees and levels for them and her healthy foster cats and even help her husband build the larger shed he told me he wanted to build for the healthy foster cats that she had. I told her all her hubby had to do was get us a list of the materials he needed, give us a weekend or two when it would be good for them, and we'd be there.
Re: Please add my Leader to the CLS
Susan I am so sorry for your loss of sweet Leader,that is amazing that he lived almost 6 years with felv and being born with it.I sure wish I had that long with my Maizee.I only had her for 14 months of her 15 months.I will remember her forever.Hugs to you,enjoy the memories. Sherry Susan Loesch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just as I had feared, my little miracle man, Leader, was dead when I got home yesterday evening.I'd given him a kiss and he'd meowed me a little good bye before I left him -- all wrapped up in the sweatshirt I'd slept in and cuddled warm on my bed with some of his buddies staying close. Born with feline leukemia, and my bottle baby from age 3 weeks, he outlived his 5 brothers and sisters by years - in fact he was just a couple of months shy of six years. Someone said to me yesterday that I must have given him good care -- but I know it wasn't the care he received; his littermates all got the same care and Mittens, his brother who went to live with Gloria, got better, more consistent good care.It was just the luck of the draw. I am so honored to have had him in my life for so long. He was truly amazing, and I shall miss him terribly - as I did last night when I reached out and he wasn't by my head. - Never Miss an Email Stay connected with Yahoo! Mail on your mobile. Get started!
Re: Mylo's Passing
Mylo was exactly where he was supposed to be..with people who loved him and cared for him even after his body left this earth. He is always close and very grateful for the love and attention. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Chris Ramzy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 10:13 AM Subject: Re: Mylo's Passing Thank you for your email and everyone on the list that has offered kind, supportive words. I guess the best way to look at it is to cherish and remember the joy they brought to our lives and that should out-way letting them go. Ideally, that would be a good way to look at it, but we all know that can be difficult at times. So we just need to tell ourselves it was worth it. I'm glad Mylo was in my life. Maybe if he was with another family then he may have not been as loved...who knows. Maybe I made his life a bit better than it would have been otherwise and for that I have to sayit was worth it. Chris From: Paolo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Mylo's Passing Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 16:06:59 +0100 Chris, I too went through that, too much times... and every time, one just cannot believe it hurts so much, and to bear it once more seems impossible... but... Today, while I was at the vet's with Rompi, there was a lady with a black kitty, female, two years old, with asthma... she was black with a small white whiff under her neck... she was just so MAGIC, with that look in her eyes, so tender... the look of the good cat. I was about to steal her right there! :) In that moment I understood that, notwithstanding anything, it's impossible to live without cats, and that the horrible, exhausting experience of letting them go is the toll for what we have received from them during their life. We could discuss if that toll is fair or too high, but that's it. Paolo P.S. I'm going to call the vet's to ask when the black kitty with asthma is scheduled next time... ;) _ Windows Live Spaces: share your New Year pictures! http://discoverspaces.live.com/?loc=en-CA
RE: acemannan side effects?
Dear Paolo -- I have to tell you he is the nicest vet I have ever talked -- he just called again to find out how JoJo is doing... he told me that sometimes with IP shot, it can be tricky and may touch some place sensitive but he never heard any serious side effects with it.. JoJo is doing much better now :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paolo Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 12:06 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: acemannan side effects? Hideyo, you can contact this doctor: Dr. Greg Biehle, DVM Brykerwood Veterinary Clinic 1501 W. 35th Street Austin, TX 78703 (512) 454-3833 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] He is the head of Acemannan. Ask him and, *please*, report here on the list what he said you. I am desperate. As you probably saw, my Rompi can't have surgery, he can rely only on chemotherapy and food supplements to survive, and the oncologists here have discarded Acemannan as principal therapy vs. conventional chemo because it seems to be not as effective as it is pretended. Now you say that the visible tumor in your Jojo has gone away with Acemannan... I HAVE LESS THAN 24 HOURS BEFORE STARTING CHEMO AND MY HEAD IS JUST BLOWING UP! Please tell here your Jojo story, and do call that man!!! Thank you Paolo (panicking again)
Re: Bart
Thank you all so very much for your thoughts, concerns and prayers for Bart and me. After I sent that post about my feral friend, (around 3:00 AM, EST ), I DID go out to barn struggled (very hard ) to get him in a large crate and into secluded area of house I hated having to lift him, he was so painful, but I couldn't stand the thought of him being so sick inside the barn, no matter how well I thought I had insulated it.. The sad news is, I did have Bart PTS. I was with him when he crossed the bridge, able to snuggle kiss him. How strange is that??? He was certainly,well probably, the most feral cat I ever came across in all my years And, very, very savvy. Never could trap him over the past two years. (I even got info. from Nina on an alternative method.) I honestly believe that because I had earned their trust, Charity led me to him in the blizzard She knew he needed help, so she turned to me. Even when I had my Rottie (who does like cats, just freaked over a strange one in her territory), out on leash.. The way Ladybug re-acted scared the bejesus out of me, but Charity would not give up..When I look back, I am so very thankful that none of us got hurt - (me - falling, Bug [born deaf], getting off leash Charity not being challenged by my very large, very territorial, Rottie). I am also very thankful I was allowed to get both Charity Bart into my care. At the vets this AM, Bart was so good.. Scared, of course, but he kept looking at me and I just knew He had an abdomen so very full of fluid. Unbelievable. The vet did pull out alot, but I finally asked him to stop. Besides the fluid in his belly, Bart's gums were almost white.NOT a good sign. And, he had quite a few abscessed teeth, and was already missing quite a few.. His vision was also questionable.. My poor boy was also in so much pain. He wanted to lay down, but just couldn't on that cold, stainless steel table. Broke my heart.. Had a conversation w/ vet about the possibilities of Bart recovering... He explained that although it was almost a textbook case of wet FIP (which would mean regular draining), he also was most assuredly very anemic. Epogen, transfusions. Also, he explained it could be, lymphosarcoma, cardio-vascular, liver, kidneys - I'm sure you all get the picture. His prognosis was very poor, with NO guarantees. I just remembered the promise I have made to ALL my babies, so I made the dreaded decision.. My dear vet gave him a tranquilizer prior to the euthanasia solution, and Bart just seemed to pass peacefully, as I stroked him kissed his (big ole) head.. Not a good day.. I HATE having to play God.. And, you know, it hurts me just as much when it's a feral/stray.. Just absolutely heartbreaking. No other words can explain it... Well, it's feeding time at Patti's Zoo, and the rest of my charges are counting on me. Can't let them down. I'm all they have,,, And, they are my world. As soon as I am done, I will e-mail Belinda to add Bart to next CLS. I will also try to e-mail those of you who I have corresponded with off list. Just, please forgive me if I don't get to it tonight You are the most wonderful, supportive, loving group of folks out there.. I am very thankful to be a part of this group. Really. Hugs, (A Very Sad) Patti her clan
Re: Leslie and Wheezie
*Nina, Diane and Kerry... you are all so sweet. I didn't post our horrible loss because Wheezie was FIV+ not FeLV. In addition, it's a very hard fact for me to really face. I've found myself in some serious denial about the whole thing. We do rescue and have 13 FIV+ kitties... and two FeLV+ as well as spina bifida and asthmatic kitties, it seems we manage to get all the health issues... but Wheezie was the love of my life, so this one is particularly difficult.* ** *Thank you all for your support... and caring. It means the world. It really does...* *Leslie =^..^=* On 2/6/07, MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Leslie, I didn't seem to get your original email. I'm truly sorry to hear about your beloved Wheezie. It's so hard, suddenly not to see their sweet little faces at the door any more, when get home. I'm glad Wheezie was so cherished, and I hope all the good memories eventually bring you comfort. big hugs, Kerry M. -Original Message- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Rosenfeldt, Diane *Sent:* Tuesday, February 06, 2007 3:02 PM *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* RE: Leslie and Wheezie Leslie, my condolences on the loss of your heart-kitty Wheezie. My special boy Luc is 15 and when I dare to contemplate him no longer being here it hurts like hell. Gentlest of Bridge vibes to Wheezie and hugs to you. Diane R. -- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Nina *Sent:* Tuesday, February 06, 2007 11:59 AM *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* Leslie and Wheezie Leslie, I'm so sorry to hear about Wheezie. Sometimes I feel like I just can't stand all the loss, but somehow we force ourselves to go on. You'd think that knowing our loved ones are in jeopardy would somehow prepare us, somehow make that fateful day when we are forced to say goodbye easier, but for me it never does. It always tears my heart apart. They are all so special, but some touch our lives so deeply, in ways we can't even put into words. I just wanted you to know I get it and I'm so very sorry. Prayers that soon you'll be smiling through your tears at all the wonderful memories of your beloved Wheezie. With love, Nina Leslie Lawther wrote: *Susan, my heart is just breaking for you. I lost my soul-kitty Wheezie on Saturday... and it was one of the most difficult losses I've ever had to cope with. He was the love of my life... so I can imagine a bottle baby you've had from so young. We feel so helpless sometimes... Wheezie had congestive heart failure that we were treating for over six months with a cardiologist... but I know the feeling of leaving in the morning and praying when you open the door at the end of the day that his beautiful face would be there to greet me. I'm so sorry for your loss Susan... we all are. Hopefully Wheezie and Leader are playing together pain free and happy * **hugs** *Leslie =^..^=* This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
Re: Bart
i'm so sorry, hon, but i'm very glad that charity and bart were able to ask for your help. thank you for loving him enough to give him peace and freedom from such pain. it is NEVER easy; i don't think that it is playing god, so much as as accepting the responsibilty of having dominion over the creatures granting into our care. (not at all the same thing as domination) there are some things they cannot do for themselves. MC -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: Please add my Leader to the CLS
I'm sorry to hear that Leader has passed. I felt a deep sadness when you mentioned reaching out and not finding him. I know what you mean. You will be in my prayers. Lance On Feb 6, 2007, at 9:46 AM, Susan Loesch wrote: Just as I had feared, my little miracle man, Leader, was dead when I got home yesterday evening.I'd given him a kiss and he'd meowed me a little good bye before I left him -- all wrapped up in the sweatshirt I'd slept in and cuddled warm on my bed with some of his buddies staying close. Born with feline leukemia, and my bottle baby from age 3 weeks, he outlived his 5 brothers and sisters by years - in fact he was just a couple of months shy of six years. Someone said to me yesterday that I must have given him good care -- but I know it wasn't the care he received; his littermates all got the same care and Mittens, his brother who went to live with Gloria, got better, more consistent good care.It was just the luck of the draw. I am so honored to have had him in my life for so long. He was truly amazing, and I shall miss him terribly - as I did last night when I reached out and he wasn't by my head.
Re: Please add my Leader to the CLS
Leader left this world on his bed surrounded by love from his person and from his cat friends. I can't think of a better way to leave. That does not make it easier for you. You need to know that his is always close and will cuddle with you when you are ready. Ask him. He will come to you and you will enjoy wonderful time together. It is not a dream. It is real so don't rush to wakejust accept and enjoy a healthy, extremely happy little friend. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: elizabeth trent To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 12:59 PM Subject: Re: Please add my Leader to the CLS Susan, I am so sorry. elizabeth On 2/6/07, Susan Loesch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just as I had feared, my little miracle man, Leader, was dead when I got home yesterday evening.I'd given him a kiss and he'd meowed me a little good bye before I left him -- all wrapped up in the sweatshirt I'd slept in and cuddled warm on my bed with some of his buddies staying close. Born with feline leukemia, and my bottle baby from age 3 weeks, he outlived his 5 brothers and sisters by years - in fact he was just a couple of months shy of six years. Someone said to me yesterday that I must have given him good care -- but I know it wasn't the care he received; his littermates all got the same care and Mittens, his brother who went to live with Gloria, got better, more consistent good care.It was just the luck of the draw. I am so honored to have had him in my life for so long. He was truly amazing, and I shall miss him terribly - as I did last night when I reached out and he wasn't by my head.
Re: Bart
Dear Patti I am so sorry you had to let Bart go. He trusted you and you did the right thing. He is now pain free. Bless you Sally On 2/6/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you all so very much for your thoughts, concerns and prayers for Bart and me. After I sent that post about my feral friend, (around 3:00 AM, EST ), I DID go out to barn struggled (*very hard *) to get him in a large crate and into secluded area of house I hated having to lift him, he was so painful, but I couldn't stand the thought of him being so sick inside the barn, no matter how well I thought I had insulated it.. The sad news is, I did have Bart PTS. I was with him when he crossed the bridge, able to snuggle kiss him. How strange is that??? He was certainly,well probably, the most feral cat I ever came across in all my years And, very, very savvy. Never could trap him over the past two years. (I even got info. from Nina on an alternative method.) I honestly believe that because I had earned their trust, Charity led me to him in the blizzard She *knew *he needed help, so she turned to me. Even when I had my Rottie (who does like cats, just freaked over a strange one in her territory), out on leash.. The way Ladybug re-acted scared the bejesus out of me, but Charity would not give up..When I look back, I am so very thankful that none of us got hurt - (me - falling, Bug [born deaf], getting off leash Charity *not* being challenged by my *very large, very territorial, *Rottie). I am also very thankful I was allowed to get both Charity Bart into my care. At the vets this AM, Bart was so good.. Scared, of course, but he kept looking at me and I just knew He had an abdomen so very full of fluid. Unbelievable. The vet did pull out alot, but I finally asked him to stop. Besides the fluid in his belly, Bart's gums were almost white.NOT a good sign. And, he had quite a few abscessed teeth, and was already missing quite a few.. His vision was also questionable.. My poor boy was also in so much pain. He wanted to lay down, but just couldn't on that cold, stainless steel table. Broke my heart.. Had a conversation w/ vet about the possibilities of Bart recovering... He explained that although it was almost a textbook case of wet FIP (which would mean regular draining), he also was most assuredly *very anemic*. Epogen, transfusions. Also, he explained it could be, lymphosarcoma, cardio-vascular, liver, kidneys - I'm sure you all get the picture. His prognosis was very poor, with NO guarantees. I just remembered the promise I have made to ALL my babies, so I made *the dreaded decision..* My dear vet gave him a tranquilizer prior to the euthanasia solution, and Bart just seemed to pass peacefully, as I stroked him kissed his (big ole) head.. Not a good day.. I *HATE* having to play God.. And, you know, it hurts me just as much when it's a feral/stray.. Just absolutely heartbreaking. No other words can explain it... Well, it's feeding time at Patti's Zoo, and the rest of my charges are counting on me. Can't let them down. I'm all they have,,, And, they are my world. As soon as I am done, I will e-mail Belinda to add Bart to next CLS. I will also try to e-mail those of you who I have corresponded with off list. Just, please forgive me if I don't get to it tonight You are the most wonderful, supportive, loving group of folks out there.. I am very thankful to be a part of this group. Really. Hugs, (A Very Sad) Patti her clan -- Junior needs your help with his care fighting Feline Leukemia. Our story www.geocities.com/dmyllas/sally_page.html please help us if you can https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_xclickbusiness=puttyrat%40k6az.com
Re: Bart
You most certainly are not playing Godyou are acting as a true friend to a wonderful cat and with God's blessings. Do you really think these fine animals just wandered into your life by accident? A wonderful creator saw their needs and your compassion and sent them to you. Some of us swear that SUCKER is written on our foreheads. This is not a bad thing. It can be a very painful thing at times but it is not a bad thing. It allows our hearts to break but, in breaking, they grow---if we have the guts to allow it. You have that courage. Bart and his friends bless you for this. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Sally Davis To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 5:53 PM Subject: Re: Bart Dear Patti I am so sorry you had to let Bart go. He trusted you and you did the right thing. He is now pain free. Bless you Sally On 2/6/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you all so very much for your thoughts, concerns and prayers for Bart and me. After I sent that post about my feral friend, (around 3:00 AM, EST ), I DID go out to barn struggled (very hard ) to get him in a large crate and into secluded area of house I hated having to lift him, he was so painful, but I couldn't stand the thought of him being so sick inside the barn, no matter how well I thought I had insulated it.. The sad news is, I did have Bart PTS. I was with him when he crossed the bridge, able to snuggle kiss him. How strange is that??? He was certainly,well probably, the most feral cat I ever came across in all my years And, very, very savvy. Never could trap him over the past two years. (I even got info. from Nina on an alternative method.) I honestly believe that because I had earned their trust, Charity led me to him in the blizzard She knew he needed help, so she turned to me. Even when I had my Rottie (who does like cats, just freaked over a strange one in her territory), out on leash.. The way Ladybug re-acted scared the bejesus out of me, but Charity would not give up..When I look back, I am so very thankful that none of us got hurt - (me - falling, Bug [born deaf], getting off leash Charity not being challenged by my very large, very territorial, Rottie). I am also very thankful I was allowed to get both Charity Bart into my care. At the vets this AM, Bart was so good.. Scared, of course, but he kept looking at me and I just knew He had an abdomen so very full of fluid. Unbelievable. The vet did pull out alot, but I finally asked him to stop. Besides the fluid in his belly, Bart's gums were almost white.NOT a good sign. And, he had quite a few abscessed teeth, and was already missing quite a few.. His vision was also questionable.. My poor boy was also in so much pain. He wanted to lay down, but just couldn't on that cold, stainless steel table. Broke my heart.. Had a conversation w/ vet about the possibilities of Bart recovering... He explained that although it was almost a textbook case of wet FIP (which would mean regular draining), he also was most assuredly very anemic. Epogen, transfusions. Also, he explained it could be, lymphosarcoma, cardio-vascular, liver, kidneys - I'm sure you all get the picture. His prognosis was very poor, with NO guarantees. I just remembered the promise I have made to ALL my babies, so I made the dreaded decision.. My dear vet gave him a tranquilizer prior to the euthanasia solution, and Bart just seemed to pass peacefully, as I stroked him kissed his (big ole) head.. Not a good day.. I HATE having to play God.. And, you know, it hurts me just as much when it's a feral/stray.. Just absolutely heartbreaking. No other words can explain it... Well, it's feeding time at Patti's Zoo, and the rest of my charges are counting on me. Can't let them down. I'm all they have,,, And, they are my world. As soon as I am done, I will e-mail Belinda to add Bart to next CLS. I will also try to e-mail those of you who I have corresponded with off list. Just, please forgive me if I don't get to it tonight You are the most wonderful, supportive, loving group of folks out there.. I am very thankful to be a part of this group. Really. Hugs, (A Very Sad) Patti her clan -- Junior needs your help with his care fighting Feline Leukemia. Our story
Re: Lucy and unsubscribing
Me too. It can be so awful. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: cindy reasoner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 7:59 AM Subject: Re: Lucy and unsubscribing Michelle, I just wanted to tell you that you, Lucy and Gray are in my prayers. I am so sorry all of you are having to go through this. Cindy Reasoner --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since I last wrote, Lucy got up, climbed all 14 stairs to the upstairs, ate half a jar of baby food and a couple pieces of dry food, curled up on a cat bed, and is purring away as Gray pets her. When Gray poured the dry food for Patches, Lucy literally got up and ran over to it, trying to push Patched out of the way. I know she has FIP, or most likely does. I know there is no real cure and it will get her. But today does not seem to be the day, and I do not think it is selfish to decide that. Someone who can and wants to climb stairs, wants to eat (even if not a normal amount), wants company and pets, and can go running over to a bowl of food is, in my opinion, not asking to be killed. To whoever wrote that I should not do home euthanasia, I was not considering home euthanasia, I was considering, in an emergency if she gets in distress, tranquilizing her until a vet could come or we could get to a vet. i did that with Simon and he immediately slept and actually died in his sleep before we needed to. But it was not intended as euthanasia. I and several others on the list have also used oral valium to ease passings, and it has done so. I do not think this is irrational. I stopped reading posts after that and just deleted, to whoever wrote something in the subject line about allowing suffering. Given that I had just come downstairs from Lucy's little trek and eating spree, it seemed too ridiculous to read. This list has been a godsend for me at times, and I have made friendships with a few of you that I hope to continue offline from the group. But this group is not helping me right now and is actually upsetting me quite a bit. So I am unsubscribing. Nina and Hideyo, I hope to stay in touch with you individually, and anyone else who actually wants to, and to share ideas and emotional support. But I am done with the group. Michelle Any questions? Get answers on any topic at www.Answers.yahoo.com. Try it now.
Re: acemannan side effects?
I am so glad that JoJo is bettter! elizabeth On 2/6/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Paolo -- I have to tell you he is the nicest vet I have ever talked -- he just called again to find out how JoJo is doing... he told me that sometimes with IP shot, it can be tricky and may touch some place sensitive but he never heard any serious side effects with it.. JoJo is doing much better now :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paolo Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 12:06 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: acemannan side effects? Hideyo, you can contact this doctor: Dr. Greg Biehle, DVM Brykerwood Veterinary Clinic 1501 W. 35th Street Austin, TX 78703 (512) 454-3833 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] He is the head of Acemannan. Ask him and, *please*, report here on the list what he said you. I am desperate. As you probably saw, my Rompi can't have surgery, he can rely only on chemotherapy and food supplements to survive, and the oncologists here have discarded Acemannan as principal therapy vs. conventional chemo because it seems to be not as effective as it is pretended. Now you say that the visible tumor in your Jojo has gone away with Acemannan... I HAVE LESS THAN 24 HOURS BEFORE STARTING CHEMO AND MY HEAD IS JUST BLOWING UP! Please tell here your Jojo story, and do call that man!!! Thank you Paolo (panicking again)
Re: Bart
I am so sorry. My heart hurts for you. What you did was kind though - no dear one should have to suffer like that. Love and hugs to you, elizabeth On 2/6/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you all so very much for your thoughts, concerns and prayers for Bart and me. After I sent that post about my feral friend, (around 3:00 AM, EST ), I DID go out to barn struggled (*very hard *) to get him in a large crate and into secluded area of house I hated having to lift him, he was so painful, but I couldn't stand the thought of him being so sick inside the barn, no matter how well I thought I had insulated it.. The sad news is, I did have Bart PTS. I was with him when he crossed the bridge, able to snuggle kiss him. How strange is that??? He was certainly,well probably, the most feral cat I ever came across in all my years And, very, very savvy. Never could trap him over the past two years. (I even got info. from Nina on an alternative method.) I honestly believe that because I had earned their trust, Charity led me to him in the blizzard She *knew *he needed help, so she turned to me. Even when I had my Rottie (who does like cats, just freaked over a strange one in her territory), out on leash.. The way Ladybug re-acted scared the bejesus out of me, but Charity would not give up..When I look back, I am so very thankful that none of us got hurt - (me - falling, Bug [born deaf], getting off leash Charity *not* being challenged by my *very large, very territorial, *Rottie). I am also very thankful I was allowed to get both Charity Bart into my care. At the vets this AM, Bart was so good.. Scared, of course, but he kept looking at me and I just knew He had an abdomen so very full of fluid. Unbelievable. The vet did pull out alot, but I finally asked him to stop. Besides the fluid in his belly, Bart's gums were almost white.NOT a good sign. And, he had quite a few abscessed teeth, and was already missing quite a few.. His vision was also questionable.. My poor boy was also in so much pain. He wanted to lay down, but just couldn't on that cold, stainless steel table. Broke my heart.. Had a conversation w/ vet about the possibilities of Bart recovering... He explained that although it was almost a textbook case of wet FIP (which would mean regular draining), he also was most assuredly *very anemic*. Epogen, transfusions. Also, he explained it could be, lymphosarcoma, cardio-vascular, liver, kidneys - I'm sure you all get the picture. His prognosis was very poor, with NO guarantees. I just remembered the promise I have made to ALL my babies, so I made *the dreaded decision..* My dear vet gave him a tranquilizer prior to the euthanasia solution, and Bart just seemed to pass peacefully, as I stroked him kissed his (big ole) head.. Not a good day.. I *HATE* having to play God.. And, you know, it hurts me just as much when it's a feral/stray.. Just absolutely heartbreaking. No other words can explain it... Well, it's feeding time at Patti's Zoo, and the rest of my charges are counting on me. Can't let them down. I'm all they have,,, And, they are my world. As soon as I am done, I will e-mail Belinda to add Bart to next CLS. I will also try to e-mail those of you who I have corresponded with off list. Just, please forgive me if I don't get to it tonight You are the most wonderful, supportive, loving group of folks out there.. I am very thankful to be a part of this group. Really. Hugs, (A Very Sad) Patti her clan
Re: Luy not eating
You are the only one who can make this decision for her. You will know when the time is right and if she wants help leaving this world. I have had animals who wanted help and I had one beautiful calico, the Royal Princess Kitty Katt, who wanted to do it her way. She did. It was very painful for me but that is definitely what she wanted. This is so very hard. I know a lot of people are making suggestions and telling you of their experiences. I am doing the same. Please, listen to your heart and to your little friend. You will know what to do. And don't doubt that you have done the right thing. Sit with her, love her, calm yourself and let your hearts talk. But also enjoy the time you have together no matter what her health. All the blessings I can find in the universe to you both. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 4:17 PM Subject: Re: Luy not eating I know that about purring. But she only purrs when we pet her, not otherwise, so I do think that means she likes us petting her. In a message dated 2/4/2007 5:07:05 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I just don't know Michelle were she my cat, I would have euth'd her already, but she's not my cat. I do know purring isn't necessarily a good sign, they purr when they are miserable too. I think maybe it's time, but only you can see her, and read her body language. Phaewryn
