Re: any other catfood suggestions
MJ- I can only recall from being @ shelter (where we ALWAYS fed top-notch food,)that from doing research, we discovered that the main preservative DID have carcinogenic qualities.. And, believe me, we did LOTS of research.. Just can't remember just where we got info. that made owner discontinue using it. And, you're right - thee are carcinogenics in just too many food items. I guess I could research now where we got the info. exactly what the preservative was, but, well, I have trouble now remembering simple things I DO remember that when all this transpired, I was fostering kittens, using Eukanuba Kitten the owner freaked after reading showing me the info. Also, since I was in charge of ordering, I did do a lot more research.Totally freaked at the preservatives being used in high quality, well known, commercial foods.It was at that point, we switched to mostly only natural foods.. Now you got me wanting to go back in my files dig out the info. Only problem, heck, I can't remember where all my files are. And, again your right... There are more deaths connected to so many other things. It's not black white Just wish I could recall where we got info. from.(Maybe one day I'll get my memory back- Wishful thinking) But, you did make a good point. I do understand exactly what you're saying, so no offense taken. That's probably one of the best things about this group... We can all say/write our own opinions w/out being afraid of repercussions This group has always been my support, and heaven knows, I need it now more than ever. Hugs, Patti her gang ** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.
Re: cat food recall-royal cannin
I have a hard time using the word safe right now too... Cause yesterday, somewhere, I did see a list that did include canine dry And, one of the items was/is a food I use for my veggie/allergic dog.. I did send a memo to them about it, but I'm sure they're inundated w/ inquiries.. And, of course, I can't remember just who the mfg. was. But, thank heavens for the save thing, I did save it (somewhere) on my PC.. Only good thing is lately I've been feeding her Natural Balance... But I am REALLY concerned about one of my other dogs - the Golden Retriever X, young the only canine I have that isn't a special need. She's been off I can't figure out why. Her dry food is (presumably) ok.. And, they don't eat canned. I supplement w/ cooked food. Wondering if it could be the dry or her cookies All my other beasts are fine... This whole thing really has me worried. I really think they know more than they are telling..(Surprise,surprise- NOT!!) So, I've taken her off the dry - home cooked only now. And, cookies are out also. Guess if she's still acting poorly, it's off to the vet. This has me totally baffled.. Thank heavens my cats other dogs are fine.(Knock on wood) What's a Mom to do? Wish us luck and say a prayer... Hugs, Patti her gang ** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.
Re: someone who is GOOD at marketing, etc
i did see some flyers at the pet food store friday where you can order home cooked 'people' food for your dogs. i didn't get the company name because i was too busy laughing (not to mention, i saw the flyer on the floor while using the restrooom). the company is serious though. they have very nice color flyers. the food looks just like what the black eyed pea cooks up for it's customers. not sure it's healthy though. vets tell people not to feed their dogs people food. :) wendy --- TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you know, they have these businesses all over the country for people to get together and cook up a week's worth of meals with other people, in a fully-equipped kitchen, etc. good company, instructions, all the ingredients-- someone needs to start up a business, then franchise it, doing that for homemade pet-meals! people could get together, talk about their critters, share information--and go home with food! too bad i am totally USELESS when it comes to manifesting anything i visualize. the concrete details slay me -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail QA for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396546091
Fred Update
Hi All, Fred is doing better, we're still working on getting the infection under control, if we can't I'll have no choice but to remove the feeding tube. They think the tube moving slightly is irritating Fred's skin and he keeps getting an infection because he probably scratches then and gets bacteria in the area before it can completely heal. It's still draining and I have to hot press it to draw out the infection before the wound heals with infection still in there. I feel so bad for Fred, he has been miserable for probably 4 of the last 6 weeks with this infection. His blood pressure is coming down so that is good (180 last time it was checked), haven't noticed any leg twitching. I have upped his potassium supplement to get that back up to the mid 4's again (was down to 3.8 again). Well time to hot press it, thanks for all your prayers!! PS. I kept my cool, I'm going to write a letter to the owner of the clinic after I have time to get my thoughts together and calm down. PSS. I just ordered some fish mox (Amoxicillin Capsules - 250 mg), I know some of you use it as an antibiotic, I want to do that. I'm thinking once we get this infection cleared up I'll keep Fred on a very low maintenance dose for a while until I'm sure this is cleared up for good, what do those of you who have used it think of that? I ordered the 250 mg bottle, what is the normal starting dose? Fred is currently getting clindamycin until we know what kind of bacteria we are dealing with, we still haven't got the results from his culture back yet. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com
Re: To Marissa
Hey Marissa, I am just now catching up on the weekend's emails. I hope that Slinky is doing better after resting this weekend. I think you hit the nail on the head when you said you are doing everything you can. And it's out of love, and Slinky knows that. I hope to read that Slinky is better. How are you feeling? Did you end up getting sick? :) Wendy --- Marissa Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Wendy. No problem...it is good information. Generally I believe in holistic medicine and have even thought of taking Slinky to a holistic vet (if I can afford it). I called someone yesterday to see if she could come in and do some T Touch and accupressure with him. It's just hard when you feel like everything you read says something different (I remember going through that when I was trying to figure out what to feed him). But at this point I feel like we're doing everything we can. Not so good news on the Slinky front. We just got back from he vet...took him in to give him his first shot of IR. They did another CBC to get a baseline so we can tell if the IR is helping...and his HCT is down to 7!!! It was 9 when we were there on Wed. :( But we gave him the IR and I guess all we can do now is see if it works. He seemed to perk up a bit when we got home, but nonw he's pretty much sacked out on the bed. I'm really praying for a miracle...but I know I have to love him enough to let go as well if that's what he needs. :'( It's INCREDIBLY hard to let him sit under the bed alone, but I want him to be in control of what happens with and to him, not me. He is back on the bed now...sleeping. I'm praying the IR works as I think it's the last thing we have left to try. The vet was shocked he hasn't lost weight and isn't having trouble breathing...so he seems to still be fighting. Thanks for all the GLOW! Hugs MJ Slinky ^-^ wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Marissa, I feel kind of bad now sending that out. If I had thought about it, I wouldn't have because stuff like this does tend to stress out people who are already stressed about their pet's health. I apologize. I am not sure what to think about it. I am interested in what other people think as well. I agree that the people who are trying to sell this stuff have a vested interest, but I also know people who are health fanatics who do the same type of cleansing things. And it's also scary to think about trying to do something new while getting Slinky's body back under control. I would be weary at this point, and if you feel like doing more research, looking into it couldn't hurt. Let me know if you find anything corroborating it. Veterinarians have a vested interest in this article not being true because they lose business when animals are healthy. I am so sorry you and Slinky are going through this right now. It's SO hard-worrying about your furbaby 24/7. But you are right to try to be in tune with what Slinky wants and respecting his space and wishes. That's very big of you because it's so hard to do, and not all of us are good at it. It's not surprising you are getting sick with all the stress and lack of sleep. Take care of yourself while you're taking care of Slinky. I keep thinking about him all throughout the week. I so want the little guy to rally and pull through. I am hoping the IR really helps. :) Wendy --- Marissa Johnson wrote: What do people think of this? I'm feeling so overwhelmed right now - wanting to do anything I can to save Slink and not knowing what's best. Seems everything you read says something different. I think I'd feel better about this article if it weren't written by the people selling the products. But...what do people think? Re: Slink...His temp spiked again last night. :( But it's down to 103.6 this morning. Last night when I went to bed he got up and went under the bed all the way back in the corner and sat there. I really thought maybe he was getting ready to leave me. So I crawled under the bed and petted and kissed him a bit...but didn't want to bring him up to the bed if he wanted to be alone (trying to respect his wishes...so hard but I know it's best). I did pull the rug he was lying on a little closer to the front of the bed. I checked on him a few times during the night and he's still hangin' in there. He's up on the bed with me now. But..was a long night for mom!!! I ordered the IR and have an appointment tonight to start it. I am staying home today because now it appears that I'M getting sick! :( Thanks for all the prayers and support for Slink! I'll keep you updated. MJ wendy wrote: You might be interested in this article that was posted on the hyper T website about cleansing a cat's system. I couldn't post the whole article as it's very long (here's the rest of it:
Re: DRY FOOD Problem now too!!!!
I would like to know who might have bought wheat from China too. Friday afternoon when I got home from work I called 9lives and Friskies to ask them this question. Both told me they don't purchase their wheat from China. I hope that is true. Cindy Reasoner --- Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Be careful with forwarding unconfirmed reports like this. There is mention of unconfirmed problems with Iams dry on http://www.howl911.com/ but until lab analysis it is too easy to spread rumors and create unnecessary fear. I personally am avoiding anything that has been manufactured by Menu Foods. And I'd like to know who else may have received wheat from China in recent months. Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This was forwarded to me by some one I personally know and know is reliable: This was just forwarded to me it's apparently not just wet food making pets sick ** Hello everyone, I just wanted to give you a little more info on the food recall. I was feeding Nutro Max small bites (DRY) to my 3 Aussies and 1 Corgi. For the last 3 weeks on and off all 4 dogs have vomited yellow bile. I did not think much of it because it was on and off...maybe they were eating snow...whatever. Then the recall...only wet? My brother called me on Sunday on the way back from the Rescue show and his 10 yr old Sheltie spayed bitch was vomiting bile on and off for a few days and now has blood in her urine. They brought in a UA and dog is being treated for a UA infection. Yesterday he called me and his male-13 month old German Shepherd has blood in its urine...guess what...feeding DRY Nutro Max. Another UA to vets. No infection. The dispatcher at the police department where I work over heard me talking to my brother...she has 2 mixes on Nutro Ultra DRY...they have been vomiting bile on and off for about 4 weeks. A women in my obedience class...her mother has a Terrier on Nutro All Natural DRY...dog is being treated for blood in urine. The dispatcher called the FDA today and spoke with Bill Boiven (Spelling) at 781-596-7783. She gave him all our info and he contacted me. Guess what!!! They have already started to launch an investigation on the dry dog food. They are getting millions of phone calls about this. He did tell me that the foods are processed by 2 different manufactures but this is way to coincidental. Yes I have now put my dogs on boiled rice, hamburger and Wellness. Just thought some of you might want to know and maybe call if you are having problems. Seems to be more wide spread than wet or canned. Thanks Alicia Campbell Moonstone Shepherds I found this on the FDA's website: New England District, (NWE-DO) , One Montvale Ave., 4th Floor, Stoneham, MA 02180 Main Number (781) 596-7700, Emergency (after hours) Answering Service (781) 939-2380, Main FAX (781) 596-7896 Gail T. Costello, District Director, HFR-NE200, (781) 596-7717 FAX (781) 596-7896 Mutahar Shamsi, Dir. Comp. Branch, HFR-NE240, (781) 596-7899 Linda Muccioli, Dir. MPSB., HFR-NE230, (781) 596-7896 Mary B. Yebba, Public Affairs Specialist, HFR-NE245, (781) 596-7896 Michael R. Kravchuk, Dir. Invest. Branch, HFR-NE250, (781) 596-7799 FAX (781) 596-7896 William S. Boivin, Supervisor, HFR-NE250, (781) 596-7783 FAX (781) 596-7896 Sylvia A. Craven, Supervisor, HFR-NE250, (781) 596-7718 FAX (781) 596-7868 Gary J. Hagan, Supervisor, HFR-NE250, (781) 596-7734 FAX (781) 596-7896 Frank J. Mazzoni, Supervisor, HFR-NE250, (781) 596-7785 FAX (781) 596-7896 Christopher VanTwuyver, Supervisor, HFR-NE250, (781) 596-7754 FAX (781) 596-7896 http://www.fda.gov/ora/inspect_ref/iom/IOMORADIR_2.html Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. http://games.yahoo.com/games/front
Re: Interesting article about cat health and cleansing their bodies
Hey Nina, This article was posted on the feline hyperT site. The person posting it also had reservations, and wanted input on its validity. I think there is some validity to it, but would be interested in what a trusted feline homeopathy expert would say about it. I don't know of any. :) Wendy --- Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marissa, I'm skeptical too. I would do a great deal of research and investigation before trying something like this on a sick fur kid. Some of the advice seems sound in general terms, but you'd need to know specifics about which herbs are being used as there can be interactions with allopathic meds. How's that for I don't know? Wendy, how did you find this company? Were they recommended to you by someone that uses their products? I'm hopeful about the IR helping Slink. Several people on the list have had good results treating fever spikes with it. Please take care of yourself too Marissa. Being stressed out over Slinky and all you are going through, it's no small wonder that you are getting sick yourself. When you feel yourself becoming anxious, remember that you, Slink, and so many others supporting you, are doing everything possible to help Slink recover. When you feel your blood pressure rising, talk yourself down from the ledge and calm yourself with visualizing Slinky happy, healthy and playful. Blessings to you, Nina Marissa Johnson wrote: What do people think of this? I'm feeling so overwhelmed right now - wanting to do anything I can to save Slink and not knowing what's best. Seems everything you read says something different. I think I'd feel better about this article if it weren't written by the people selling the products. But...what do people think? Re: Slink...His temp spiked again last night. :( But it's down to 103.6 this morning. Last night when I went to bed he got up and went under the bed all the way back in the corner and sat there. I really thought maybe he was getting ready to leave me. So I crawled under the bed and petted and kissed him a bit...but didn't want to bring him up to the bed if he wanted to be alone (trying to respect his wishes...so hard but I know it's best). I did pull the rug he was lying on a little closer to the front of the bed. I checked on him a few times during the night and he's still hangin' in there. He's up on the bed with me now. But..was a long night for mom!!! I ordered the IR and have an appointment tonight to start it. I am staying home today because now it appears that I'M getting sick! :( Thanks for all the prayers and support for Slink! I'll keep you updated. MJ Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html
To Phaewryn: Re: OT For those of you who use compounded drugs, for humans or for pets: Safe Drug Compounding Act of 2007
Thanks Phaewryn!!! I think this is important too, and consider myself an activist, in a good way of course. Going to add this quote to my signature: Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world: Indeed it is the only thing that ever has! -- Margaret Meade :) Wendy --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you Wendy, I have cross-posted this important actions! FYI, here are the links for anyone who wishes to take action to look up their representatives: http://www.house.gov/house/MemberWWW_by_State.shtml http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm?OrderBy=stateSort=ASC Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by Green Rating at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/
Re: Looking for a good canned food
Those companies won't have to worry too much about making money off this incident. The law of supply and demand will automatically up their profits because you can't buy the other stuff right now, and a lot of people won't anyway when the products hit the shelves again. It's just like the peanut butter scare. I still can't buy Peter Pan or Great Value brand, and Jif can't keep the shelves stocked because their production lines weren't slated to handle that kind of demand all of a sudden. Jif has profited quite nicely from Con Agra's misfortune, and the other cat/dog food supply companies will enjoy the same trend for the time being. :) Wendy --- Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I noticed that OnlyNatural sent out an email confirming that none of the food products they sell are effected by the recall and had no problem touting the superiority of their products in a very timely manner. Nina Susan Hoffman wrote: Any manufactured or processed product -- and even organic spinach -- can land on the supermarket shelves with a contaminant of some sort at some point. It's been a week since this all hit. Friskies and other pet food sellers do have info on their websites. I would not expect them to advertise in a way that would be overtly disparaging of competitors -- liability issues -- but I wouldn't be surprised to see prices go up soon. */MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: That is a very good--and scary--point. -Original Message- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *TenHouseCats *Sent:* Saturday, March 24, 2007 11:54 AM *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* Re: Looking for a good canned food i'm kind of surprised that whiskas--9 lives--friskies aren't advertising like crazy right now. makes me really worry that they know something we don't--like that their products might show up on the list one of these days. On 3/24/07, *Susan Hoffman* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have one who will ONLY eat the Friskies shredded cheese and turkey in gravy. And the turkey prime fillets is the preferred cat food of my pickiest eater. From what I can determine, Friskies and Fancy Feast are not manufactured by Menu Foods. I would like to know everything that has been manufactured by Menu Foods in the last 6-8 months though. */elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ *wrote: LOL how funny! i got some for my cats and they wouldn't touch the stuff :-/ elizabeth On 3/24/07, *Gina WN* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LOL My Pippin used to try to bury the Innova wet food! */[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: */Try Shredded Friskies...Turkey and Cheese, Salmon and Cheese. /* */My cats devour this stuff and will begged for it./* *//* */Friskies Prime Fillets/* */Fancy Feast Medley/* */Whiskas/* *//* */Buy a can of each so you can get an idea what the kitty will eat./* */I have bought the expensive food in the past and it was a waste of money they wouldn't eat it...tried to bury it! /* */My Vets that are Felv/Fiv friendly say give what they will eat to get the something solid and water from the wetfood. /* */Too many changes in food isn't good for them due their digestive tract. So be careful. /* *//* */I too remember feeding my cats years ago Puss n Boots and Friskies in the big cans. /* */It was when there wasn't so many varieties as today but they were happy with it./* */Didn't have all the health problems either...makes ya wonder though./* */Boy, times have changed!/* *//* */Terrie Mohr-Forker TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Donations accepted at: https://www.paypal.com/ https://www.paypal.com//* http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue
Re: Looking for a good canned food
My thought on all of this was, how do we know this wasn't a 'dry run' for terrorists? How do we know that they aren't testing the waters to find through which company and in what way they can inflict the most damage through our food supply? Me paranoid? No way. ;) :) Wendy --- TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: no, not that we can't be safe from all hazards, but that we're really fooling ourselves if we think that our food sources have been safe for a long time. we've all heard about SPORADIC outbreaks of e-coli, salmonella, etc etc and seen videos of horrible things happening at slaughterhouses, but could talk ourselves out of worrying too much because they WERE hit-and-miss. think about what this would be like on a human scale if ONE company was responsible for processing the same percentage of human food as it turns out menu foods seems to be with pet food and with the trend to multi-national corporations, factory farms rather than smaller, individually managed (and maintained) ones, that might be where our own food supply is heading. i think this could be the wake-up call we have been not wanting to hear. sadly, maybe we'll listen more clearly cuz it's our critters i guess i'm saying that i'm not really surprised, because too many bad things have been allowed to go on for a long time, in the name of progress, and corporate ethics. and not enough people have stood up and said, NO, this is NOT acceptable. oh, heck, i have to have a POINT? damn. that may change my whole outlook on life. On 3/24/07, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps all wheat has gluten, but I highly doubt it all comes from the same source in China. I don't know. Now I have to go find my glasses and check the label on my Roman Meal bread! Could it be possible that Menu Foods also produces processed foods for people too? Or that they are not the only ones cutting cost corners by not testing the raw ingredients that they use in their products? Sheesh. Is your point that we are never safe from the hazards of life as we know it? I've lived long enough to acknowledge that we can't safeguard against every frightening contingency out there, (or in our cupboard). But what's a conscientious human to do? We have to do what we always strive to do, keep ourselves as educated and informed as possible, (thanks to you for alerting us first about this latest plague on our complacency) and give thanks that we have made it through another day. I hate it when my nice, safe illusionary cocoon is disrupted. Are you saying we should patch our collective cocoons and use prayers and glow to protect us? What the heck is your point MC? :-) Nina TenHouseCats wrote: doesn't all wheat have gluten? isn't that why people with celiac disease can't eat products with wheat? (and so what, if the same equipment was used to process the stuff with rice or something else. i don't think that rat poison cares what it clings to.) what are SAFE sources of protein in this world anymore, anyway? for humans OR critters? i just cannot see myself going out and chasing down mice for the cats, as much as i love them--and how do i know the MICE haven't eaten poison -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world: Indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail QA for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396546091
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God Bless you Kelly, and all your charges. My prayers and thoughts go with you. May God give you Comfort and Peace. Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To my Friends, My sweet Little White Deaf kitty is at the emergency vets under Oxygen tonight. It is a long story but probably underlying heart disease..and he is not responding. The ventilator is an option, but the prognosis of ever getting him off it is is so slim and with so many underlying problems I would be doing it for me and not him, He has been though so very much this year,...Please wish me the strength to go down there and hold him in my arms and a gently passage,,,Then to the other vet asFRESNO my rescued dog's would has opened up and the pin should be pulled, I hate these times. Kelly - Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business.
Slinky - Sad News
Hi all. Thank you so much for all the GLOW and well wishes. Slinky and I just got back from the vet (and a spin through the park). I am sad to report that his HCT has dropped to just over 5! It was a little above 7 on Friday. The vet didn't even want to give him the IR shot today because she said his platlettes (sp?) are so low that when they stick him in the vein he just bleeds. She thought an IV injection would do more harm than good. She agrees with me that it's best to let him go. She said she's never seen a cat with HCT that low who was still awake and breathing ok (which, amazingly, he is). But she also indicated that as the RBC's drop, his organs will shut down and things will just get worse. Unfortunately, I'm not sure when this will happen. I needed to bring him home right now so I'd have some time to say goodbye and do some of his favorite things. But I have a HGE day at work tomorrow and am not sure I'll get through it if I put him down tonight. Tomorrow night I have an evening meeting for work that I can't get out of! So it might have to be Wednesday. I don't know...I'd just die if he gets worse before then, but some things can't be rescheduled (I've already missed several days of work to take care of him and be with him). He's pretty much the same...still breathing fine, eating, drinking, and using his box. So I guess for now I'll just see how it goes. They said they'd fit me in any time. Thanks again for all your support! I will be getting another kitty eventually (he is my only and my first as an adult!!)...but I don't think I'm up for another FeLV pos. I'm thinking maybe one who's missing an eye or has a bad leg or is deaf or something. Something that makes them difficult to adopt but isn't life threatening...I just don't think I can go through this again right now. I hope all your furkids are well. I'll let you know when I need to add Slinky to the CLS. Thanks! MJ and Slinky - 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with theYahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut.
Re: To Marissa Re: Another Slinky Update/pics
Thanks Wendy. I'm about to lose it...but I think having had several days to think about it and adjust is helping (not that it makes it any easier). I do have lots of pics of Slinky, and have been taking even more in the last few days. My best friend plans to help me make a scrap book for him (she has made them for each of her pets) and I'm going to put one of his pics in a frame I have on my nightstand (previously used for boyfriends but now being upgraded to a much more loyal love in my life!). If anyone wants to see any of his pics, feel free to check out his myspace page: www.myspace.com/slinkecat thanks again! MJ wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Marissa, I am really amazed at how well you are handling all of this. You are really good at making good/difficult decisions. I commend you for that. I hope that when you go see the vet today that his HCT is the same or better if he's going to be able to pull through all this. If not, I completely understand your decision on this. I wanted to tell you that if you don't have any pics of Slinky, you might want to take some. Pictures of Cricket were invaluable after I lost him. I slept with his picture for weeks afterwards. They helped me to grieve, and his pic is still on my nightstand a year and a half after he passed. :) Wendy --- Marissa Johnson wrote: Hi all. Amazingly, Slinky's still hanging in there. Must be all the zillions of prayers going up on his behalf! :) I mentioned the other day that when we went to the vet on Fri, his HCT was down to 7. However, he's till breathing normally and eating and drinking on his own (not eating a ton, but eating nonetheless). The vet was shocked he hadn't lost any weight. He perks up a few times a day to eat and drink, but for the most part he spends all of his time sleeping or lying around - either on my bed or under my bed. I'm giving him Doxy, Prednisone, Clavamox, Hi-Vite, and CLysine in watered down babyfood twice a day! Also giving Epogen once a week and Immuno Reguline a few times a week (that one at the vet). I feel like I live in a hospital! lol We go back to the vet tomorrow morning for the next dose of IR and I think I've made some decisions. First of all, I've decided against another transfusion. The vet doesn't think it will help much (his HCT actually went down after the last one, not up), I don't really want to put him through that, and dad isn't up for paying for another one if it's not likely to help. Most importantly, I don't believe Slinky wants to go through it again. I've also decided that when we go to the vet tomorrow, if his HCT has gone down any further, I think that will be a sign that it's his time. If it's stayed the same, I'll try another dose of the IR and see what happens. If it goes up, we'll obviously keep doing what we're doing. But this is no quality of life for him and if he's continuing to get worse, I think I need to recognize that it may be time to let him go. It's a difficult (almost impossible) decision! But I feel peaceful about it. He's more cuddly lately - coming up to cuddle with me in our usual way and we've had some wonderful time together these last few days. I'm staying home and being with him as much as possible. I'm still praying and hoping that he's improving (and sending him those happy healing vibes), but we'll have to see tomorrow. Thanks again for all your prayers and support! When friends ask how I'm able to get through this I say it's largely because of you all. I hope all your furkids are doing well. Hugs, MJ and Slinky - Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail QA for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/domains/?p=BESTDEAL - Don't be flakey. Get Yahoo! Mail for Mobile and always stay connected to friends.
Re: Slinky - Sad News
Marissa, My heart just dropped when I saw your subject line, but was happy to hear that Slinky had not yet passed. I am the ever hopeful type, and usually refuse to give up. Some people call that stubborn; I call it perseverance. I just don't want to give up on Slinky yet; he's fighting so hard. I hope that over the next few days, you are able to do all you need to do and stay relatively sane. If you need ANYTHING, just ask. We're here for you and Slinky. Prayers going out for Slinky and you. Here's to a miracle turnaround... :) Wendy --- Marissa Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all. Thank you so much for all the GLOW and well wishes. Slinky and I just got back from the vet (and a spin through the park). I am sad to report that his HCT has dropped to just over 5! It was a little above 7 on Friday. The vet didn't even want to give him the IR shot today because she said his platlettes (sp?) are so low that when they stick him in the vein he just bleeds. She thought an IV injection would do more harm than good. She agrees with me that it's best to let him go. She said she's never seen a cat with HCT that low who was still awake and breathing ok (which, amazingly, he is). But she also indicated that as the RBC's drop, his organs will shut down and things will just get worse. Unfortunately, I'm not sure when this will happen. I needed to bring him home right now so I'd have some time to say goodbye and do some of his favorite things. But I have a HGE day at work tomorrow and am not sure I'll get through it if I put him down tonight. Tomorrow night I have an evening meeting for work that I can't get out of! So it might have to be Wednesday. I don't know...I'd just die if he gets worse before then, but some things can't be rescheduled (I've already missed several days of work to take care of him and be with him). He's pretty much the same...still breathing fine, eating, drinking, and using his box. So I guess for now I'll just see how it goes. They said they'd fit me in any time. Thanks again for all your support! I will be getting another kitty eventually (he is my only and my first as an adult!!)...but I don't think I'm up for another FeLV pos. I'm thinking maybe one who's missing an eye or has a bad leg or is deaf or something. Something that makes them difficult to adopt but isn't life threatening...I just don't think I can go through this again right now. I hope all your furkids are well. I'll let you know when I need to add Slinky to the CLS. Thanks! MJ and Slinky - 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with theYahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world: Indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food Drink QA. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396545367
RE: Slinky - Sad News
Dear Marissa, Your Slinky is truly amazing, a walking miracle, defying all the odds. Enjoy every possible moment with your brave little trooper. Try not to even think of his passing. I'm glad he has such an upbeat, loving mom. big hugs to you both, Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marissa Johnson Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 12:03 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Slinky - Sad News Hi all. Thank you so much for all the GLOW and well wishes. Slinky and I just got back from the vet (and a spin through the park). I am sad to report that his HCT has dropped to just over 5! It was a little above 7 on Friday. The vet didn't even want to give him the IR shot today because she said his platlettes (sp?) are so low that when they stick him in the vein he just bleeds. She thought an IV injection would do more harm than good. She agrees with me that it's best to let him go. She said she's never seen a cat with HCT that low who was still awake and breathing ok (which, amazingly, he is). But she also indicated that as the RBC's drop, his organs will shut down and things will just get worse. Unfortunately, I'm not sure when this will happen. I needed to bring him home right now so I'd have some time to say goodbye and do some of his favorite things. But I have a HGE day at work tomorrow and am not sure I'll get through it if I put him down tonight. Tomorrow night I have an evening meeting for work that I can't get out of! So it might have to be Wednesday. I don't know...I'd just die if he gets worse before then, but some things can't be rescheduled (I've already missed several days of work to take care of him and be with him). He's pretty much the same...still breathing fine, eating, drinking, and using his box. So I guess for now I'll just see how it goes. They said they'd fit me in any time. Thanks again for all your support! I will be getting another kitty eventually (he is my only and my first as an adult!!)...but I don't think I'm up for another FeLV pos. I'm thinking maybe one who's missing an eye or has a bad leg or is deaf or something. Something that makes them difficult to adopt but isn't life threatening...I just don't think I can go through this again right now. I hope all your furkids are well. I'll let you know when I need to add Slinky to the CLS. Thanks! MJ and Slinky _ 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/?fr=oni_on_mail#news in no time with theYahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/?fr=oni_on_mail#news IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
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At 10:02 AM 3/26/2007, you wrote: I am so very sorry about SLinky and all the sadness and pain right now. My thought will be with you...and hope for a gently journey into the light. Kelly Hi all. Thank you so much for all the GLOW and well wishes. Slinky and I just got back from the vet (and a spin through the park). I am sad to report that his HCT has dropped to just over 5! It was a little above 7 on Friday. The vet didn't even want to give him the IR shot today because she said his platlettes (sp?) are so low that when they stick him in the vein he just bleeds. She thought an IV injection would do more harm than good. She agrees with me that it's best to let him go. She said she's never seen a cat with HCT that low who was still awake and breathing ok (which, amazingly, he is). But she also indicated that as the RBC's drop, his organs will shut down and things will just get worse. Unfortunately, I'm not sure when this will happen. I needed to bring him home right now so I'd have some time to say goodbye and do some of his favorite things. But I have a HGE day at work tomorrow and am not sure I'll get through it if I put him down tonight. Tomorrow night I have an evening meeting for work that I can't get out of! So it might have to be Wednesday. I don't know...I'd just die if he gets worse before then, but some things can't be rescheduled (I've already missed several days of work to take care of him and be with him). He's pretty much the same...still breathing fine, eating, drinking, and using his box. So I guess for now I'll just see how it goes. They said they'd fit me in any time. Thanks again for all your support! I will be getting another kitty eventually (he is my only and my first as an adult!!)...but I don't think I'm up for another FeLV pos. I'm thinking maybe one who's missing an eye or has a bad leg or is deaf or something. Something that makes them difficult to adopt but isn't life threatening...I just don't think I can go through this again right now. I hope all your furkids are well. I'll let you know when I need to add Slinky to the CLS. Thanks! MJ and Slinky 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/?fr=oni_on_mailFind a flick in no time with thehttp://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/?fr=oni_on_mailYahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.413 / Virus Database: 268.18.17/732 - Release Date: 3/24/2007
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*Marissa... every loss on this list feels like I've lost one of my own! I'm so, so sorry... hugs to you and to Slinky* *Leslie =^..^=* On 3/26/07, MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Marissa, Your Slinky is truly amazing, a walking miracle, defying all the odds. Enjoy every possible moment with your brave little trooper. Try not to even think of his passing. I'm glad he has such an upbeat, loving mom. big hugs to you both, Kerry -Original Message- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Marissa Johnson *Sent:* Monday, March 26, 2007 12:03 PM *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* Slinky - Sad News Hi all. Thank you so much for all the GLOW and well wishes. Slinky and I just got back from the vet (and a spin through the park). I am sad to report that his HCT has dropped to just over 5! It was a little above 7 on Friday. The vet didn't even want to give him the IR shot today because she said his platlettes (sp?) are so low that when they stick him in the vein he just bleeds. She thought an IV injection would do more harm than good. She agrees with me that it's best to let him go. She said she's never seen a cat with HCT that low who was still awake and breathing ok (which, amazingly, he is). But she also indicated that as the RBC's drop, his organs will shut down and things will just get worse. Unfortunately, I'm not sure when this will happen. I needed to bring him home right now so I'd have some time to say goodbye and do some of his favorite things. But I have a HGE day at work tomorrow and am not sure I'll get through it if I put him down tonight. Tomorrow night I have an evening meeting for work that I can't get out of! So it might have to be Wednesday. I don't know...I'd just die if he gets worse before then, but some things can't be rescheduled (I've already missed several days of work to take care of him and be with him). He's pretty much the same...still breathing fine, eating, drinking, and using his box. So I guess for now I'll just see how it goes. They said they'd fit me in any time. Thanks again for all your support! I will be getting another kitty eventually (he is my only and my first as an adult!!)...but I don't think I'm up for another FeLV pos. I'm thinking maybe one who's missing an eye or has a bad leg or is deaf or something. Something that makes them difficult to adopt but isn't life threatening...I just don't think I can go through this again right now. I hope all your furkids are well. I'll let you know when I need to add Slinky to the CLS. Thanks! MJ and Slinky -- 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flickhttp://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/?fr=oni_on_mail#newsin no time with theYahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut.http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/?fr=oni_on_mail#news IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
SLINKY
I just visited his site, WHat a very very special boy,,,He looks just like MAXX my FELV boy and what a tribute to the wonderful care that he lived such a very very long contented life, My heart really goes out to you as this is the decision I had to make twice this month and I am still not recovered, We are here 24 hours a day for you Kelly
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Marissa, my heart hurts with you. elizabeth On 3/26/07, Marissa Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all. Thank you so much for all the GLOW and well wishes. Slinky and I just got back from the vet (and a spin through the park). I am sad to report that his HCT has dropped to just over 5! It was a little above 7 on Friday. The vet didn't even want to give him the IR shot today because she said his platlettes (sp?) are so low that when they stick him in the vein he just bleeds. She thought an IV injection would do more harm than good. She agrees with me that it's best to let him go. She said she's never seen a cat with HCT that low who was still awake and breathing ok (which, amazingly, he is). But she also indicated that as the RBC's drop, his organs will shut down and things will just get worse. Unfortunately, I'm not sure when this will happen. I needed to bring him home right now so I'd have some time to say goodbye and do some of his favorite things. But I have a HGE day at work tomorrow and am not sure I'll get through it if I put him down tonight. Tomorrow night I have an evening meeting for work that I can't get out of! So it might have to be Wednesday. I don't know...I'd just die if he gets worse before then, but some things can't be rescheduled (I've already missed several days of work to take care of him and be with him). He's pretty much the same...still breathing fine, eating, drinking, and using his box. So I guess for now I'll just see how it goes. They said they'd fit me in any time. Thanks again for all your support! I will be getting another kitty eventually (he is my only and my first as an adult!!)...but I don't think I'm up for another FeLV pos. I'm thinking maybe one who's missing an eye or has a bad leg or is deaf or something. Something that makes them difficult to adopt but isn't life threatening...I just don't think I can go through this again right now. I hope all your furkids are well. I'll let you know when I need to add Slinky to the CLS. Thanks! MJ and Slinky -- 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with theYahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut.
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Marissa, I'm so sorry. kelley On 3/26/07, elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marissa, my heart hurts with you. elizabeth On 3/26/07, Marissa Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all. Thank you so much for all the GLOW and well wishes. Slinky and I just got back from the vet (and a spin through the park). I am sad to report that his HCT has dropped to just over 5! It was a little above 7 on Friday. The vet didn't even want to give him the IR shot today because she said his platlettes (sp?) are so low that when they stick him in the vein he just bleeds. She thought an IV injection would do more harm than good. She agrees with me that it's best to let him go. She said she's never seen a cat with HCT that low who was still awake and breathing ok (which, amazingly, he is). But she also indicated that as the RBC's drop, his organs will shut down and things will just get worse. Unfortunately, I'm not sure when this will happen. I needed to bring him home right now so I'd have some time to say goodbye and do some of his favorite things. But I have a HGE day at work tomorrow and am not sure I'll get through it if I put him down tonight. Tomorrow night I have an evening meeting for work that I can't get out of! So it might have to be Wednesday. I don't know...I'd just die if he gets worse before then, but some things can't be rescheduled (I've already missed several days of work to take care of him and be with him). He's pretty much the same...still breathing fine, eating, drinking, and using his box. So I guess for now I'll just see how it goes. They said they'd fit me in any time. Thanks again for all your support! I will be getting another kitty eventually (he is my only and my first as an adult!!)...but I don't think I'm up for another FeLV pos. I'm thinking maybe one who's missing an eye or has a bad leg or is deaf or something. Something that makes them difficult to adopt but isn't life threatening...I just don't think I can go through this again right now. I hope all your furkids are well. I'll let you know when I need to add Slinky to the CLS. Thanks! MJ and Slinky -- 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with theYahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia
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Aw. Glad you liked his site. Unforunately, though, he's actually only 11 months and I've only had him for 8 months!!! I had to set his age as over 14 to give him a myspace, so i just made it 20 for fun...and maybe wishful thinking. Thanks again!! MJ Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just visited his site, WHat a very very special boy,,,He looks just like MAXX my FELV boy and what a tribute to the wonderful care that he lived such a very very long contented life, My heart really goes out to you as this is the decision I had to make twice this month and I am still not recovered, We are here 24 hours a day for you Kelly - Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games.
Joey - mixed results?
Joey went back for his 2nd cbc today. His WBC is down - from 21 to 16.96, which is within normal limits. His NEU is down from 18.4 to 14.38 - still high, but better. Unfortunately, his HCT is downfrom 15% to 12.6, and his rbc is all the way down to 2.59. Anyone more knowledgeable care to interpret? Thanks, kelley -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia
Vet wants to put Midnight down?
My vet says that the reason Midnight isn't responding to the antibiotics or the Feliway (he still pees not sprays everywhere) is because he is in renal failure. My vet is all for helping animals but says this is a one way street and there is pain and suffering at the end of the street. He suggests we say our goodbyes and put him down. I do not have a clue what to do or how to respond to this. We have only had him since the week after Christmas when he found us. Any suggestions? Jennifer
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Did your vet do bloodwork? What were the results? And do you truly trust this vet? Is Midnight eating, responding to petting? How much water is he drinking? Jennifer Madon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My vet says that the reason Midnight isn't responding to the antibiotics or the Feliway (he still pees not sprays everywhere) is because he is in renal failure. My vet is all for helping animals but says this is a one way street and there is pain and suffering at the end of the street. He suggests we say our goodbyes and put him down. I do not have a clue what to do or how to respond to this. We have only had him since the week after Christmas when he found us. Any suggestions? Jennifer
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Doesn't it depend what you feed them though? I mean I wouldn't think they should eat oh..fettucini alfredo..but if they are eating cooked meat shouldn't it be ok? On 3/26/07, wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i did see some flyers at the pet food store friday where you can order home cooked 'people' food for your dogs. i didn't get the company name because i was too busy laughing (not to mention, i saw the flyer on the floor while using the restrooom). the company is serious though. they have very nice color flyers. the food looks just like what the black eyed pea cooks up for it's customers. not sure it's healthy though. vets tell people not to feed their dogs people food. :) wendy --- TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you know, they have these businesses all over the country for people to get together and cook up a week's worth of meals with other people, in a fully-equipped kitchen, etc. good company, instructions, all the ingredients-- someone needs to start up a business, then franchise it, doing that for homemade pet-meals! people could get together, talk about their critters, share information--and go home with food! too bad i am totally USELESS when it comes to manifesting anything i visualize. the concrete details slay me -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail QA for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396546091 -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia
Re: Vet wants to put Midnight down?
I would be wary of this diagnosis unless he has done a LOT of tests. I have two that are peeing everywhere and it is strictly behavioral. They are on Elavil, which helps a lot with the spraying. On 3/26/07, Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did your vet do bloodwork? What were the results? And do you truly trust this vet? Is Midnight eating, responding to petting? How much water is he drinking? *Jennifer Madon [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: My vet says that the reason Midnight isn't responding to the antibiotics or the Feliway (he still pees not sprays everywhere) is because he is in renal failure. My vet is all for helping animals but says this is a one way street and there is pain and suffering at the end of the street. He suggests we say our goodbyes and put him down. I do not have a clue what to do or how to respond to this. We have only had him since the week after Christmas when he found us. Any suggestions? Jennifer -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia
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At 10:56 AM 3/26/2007, you wrote: No No No Please rethink, my kitty in CRF did pee all over, he was getting so much fluids, and he was an old tomif he is eating and comfortable and happy...He made need to have is roaming area curtailed, but there are s many options, If the PTS is for convenience so there is no pee on the floor that is a different issue, but it sounds like a convenient thing rather than health thing, my CRF cat was happy for 3 years after diagnosis, How can we help?? Kelly My vet says that the reason Midnight isn't responding to the antibiotics or the Feliway (he still pees not sprays everywhere) is because he is in renal failure. My vet is all for helping animals but says this is a one way street and there is pain and suffering at the end of the street. He suggests we say our goodbyes and put him down. I do not have a clue what to do or how to respond to this. We have only had him since the week after Christmas when he found us. Any suggestions? Jennifer -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.413 / Virus Database: 268.18.17/732 - Release Date: 3/24/2007
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absolutely. i feed mine cooked chicken. but full plates of mashed potatoes with gravy, salisbury steak with gravy, and green beans was what was pictured on one of the plates. i was thinking along those lines... :) Wendy --- Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doesn't it depend what you feed them though? I mean I wouldn't think they should eat oh..fettucini alfredo..but if they are eating cooked meat shouldn't it be ok? On 3/26/07, wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i did see some flyers at the pet food store friday where you can order home cooked 'people' food for your dogs. i didn't get the company name because i was too busy laughing (not to mention, i saw the flyer on the floor while using the restrooom). the company is serious though. they have very nice color flyers. the food looks just like what the black eyed pea cooks up for it's customers. not sure it's healthy though. vets tell people not to feed their dogs people food. :) wendy --- TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you know, they have these businesses all over the country for people to get together and cook up a week's worth of meals with other people, in a fully-equipped kitchen, etc. good company, instructions, all the ingredients-- someone needs to start up a business, then franchise it, doing that for homemade pet-meals! people could get together, talk about their critters, share information--and go home with food! too bad i am totally USELESS when it comes to manifesting anything i visualize. the concrete details slay me -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail QA for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396546091 -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world: Indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail QA for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396546091
Re: Vet wants to put Midnight down?
Jennifer, I have a CRF kitty who will be 18 in June. She pees A LOT. Is Midnight peeing a lot? Is he drinking a lot? Do you have his kidney values? What are they? I would ask a lot of questions before you pts. Julie has been CRF for over a year, and she really isn't being treated for it because we're treating her for hyperT, and besides, I don't think there's a lot you can do for CRF other than diet. Someone please correct me here if I'm wrong. Julie is happy and purring and enjoying life even though she goes to the bathroom a lot and we go through litter like water. I have to keep her box really clean or she will go elsewhere, and sometimes still does, but not often. How old is this boy? Renal failure usually happens to CRF kitties who are elderly, or to cats who are sick from something else that's shutting down their organs. Which does Midnight fall under? :) Wendy --- Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 10:56 AM 3/26/2007, you wrote: No No No Please rethink, my kitty in CRF did pee all over, he was getting so much fluids, and he was an old tomif he is eating and comfortable and happy...He made need to have is roaming area curtailed, but there are s many options, If the PTS is for convenience so there is no pee on the floor that is a different issue, but it sounds like a convenient thing rather than health thing, my CRF cat was happy for 3 years after diagnosis, How can we help?? Kelly My vet says that the reason Midnight isn't responding to the antibiotics or the Feliway (he still pees not sprays everywhere) is because he is in renal failure. My vet is all for helping animals but says this is a one way street and there is pain and suffering at the end of the street. He suggests we say our goodbyes and put him down. I do not have a clue what to do or how to respond to this. We have only had him since the week after Christmas when he found us. Any suggestions? Jennifer -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.413 / Virus Database: 268.18.17/732 - Release Date: 3/24/2007 Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world: Indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/
Help - What are your opinions on this?
After having our 14 cats tested for FELV (because we were told one we had tested positive and was put to sleep due to complications after a surgery) and they ALL came back negative we felt we should let the vet know. This was the answer we got. The Test result was not a false one. She said if it was a kitten then it might have been but not with an older cat. This was the scenerio: 1) cat was throwing up (however 2 others were also, but then they stopped) 2) vet x rayed - thought something was possibly stuck 3) operated and found lymph nodes were swollen 4) biopsy taken - No cancer 5) cat sent home and started to play, etc... 6) stopped eating like she should 7) took her back to vet 8) vet said there was fluid on lungs 9) vet asked if they could run a FELV test (I had told them in the beginning she had never been tested) 10) came back positive 11) vet recommended putting to sleep 12) said lungs would most likely keep filling up with fluids 13) cat was spayed female, never been sick, little thin, good appetite until throwing up (was feeding Friskies Pacific Salmon when all the throwing up started) 14) cat was approx. 2-3 yrs old, inside cat, housed and fed with 14 others.
Re: Help - What are your opinions on this?
I don't agree. False positives are common, and the frequency depends on the type of test given. What type of test did they do? :) Wendy --- Debbie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After having our 14 cats tested for FELV (because we were told one we had tested positive and was put to sleep due to complications after a surgery) and they ALL came back negative we felt we should let the vet know. This was the answer we got. The Test result was not a false one. She said if it was a kitten then it might have been but not with an older cat. This was the scenerio: 1) cat was throwing up (however 2 others were also, but then they stopped) 2) vet x rayed - thought something was possibly stuck 3) operated and found lymph nodes were swollen 4) biopsy taken - No cancer 5) cat sent home and started to play, etc... 6) stopped eating like she should 7) took her back to vet 8) vet said there was fluid on lungs 9) vet asked if they could run a FELV test (I had told them in the beginning she had never been tested) 10) came back positive 11) vet recommended putting to sleep 12) said lungs would most likely keep filling up with fluids 13) cat was spayed female, never been sick, little thin, good appetite until throwing up (was feeding Friskies Pacific Salmon when all the throwing up started) 14) cat was approx. 2-3 yrs old, inside cat, housed and fed with 14 others. Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world: Indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Don't get soaked. Take a quick peek at the forecast with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather
Re: Help - What are your opinions on this?
agreed, unless you feel like educating her, which might not be a bad idea. if she isn't interested in hearing what you have to say about false positives, then run for the hills. :) wendy --- Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You need a new vet. The in-office ELISA test has a very high ratio of false positives. If I know this, then your vet should too. She just doesn't do the research. Debbie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After having our 14 cats tested for FELV (because we were told one we had tested positive and was put to sleep due to complications after a surgery) and they ALL came back negative we felt we should let the vet know. This was the answer we got. The Test result was not a false one. She said if it was a kitten then it might have been but not with an older cat. This was the scenerio: 1) cat was throwing up (however 2 others were also, but then they stopped) 2) vet x rayed - thought something was possibly stuck 3) operated and found lymph nodes were swollen 4) biopsy taken - No cancer 5) cat sent home and started to play, etc... 6) stopped eating like she should 7) took her back to vet 8) vet said there was fluid on lungs 9) vet asked if they could run a FELV test (I had told them in the beginning she had never been tested) 10) came back positive 11) vet recommended putting to sleep 12) said lungs would most likely keep filling up with fluids 13) cat was spayed female, never been sick, little thin, good appetite until throwing up (was feeding Friskies Pacific Salmon when all the throwing up started) 14) cat was approx. 2-3 yrs old, inside cat, housed and fed with 14 others. Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world: Indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/
Re: Help - What are your opinions on this?
my husband said she sounded very defensive when she phoned -Original Message- From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mar 26, 2007 2:46 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Help - What are your opinions on this? agreed, unless you feel like educating her, which might not be a bad idea. if she isn't interested in hearing what you have to say about false positives, then run for the hills. :) wendy --- Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You need a new vet. The in-office ELISA test has a very high ratio of false positives. If I know this, then your vet should too. She just doesn't do the research. Debbie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After having our 14 cats tested for FELV (because we were told one we had tested positive and was put to sleep due to complications after a surgery) and they ALL came back negative we felt we should let the vet know. This was the answer we got. The Test result was not a false one. She said if it was a kitten then it might have been but not with an older cat. This was the scenerio: 1) cat was throwing up (however 2 others were also, but then they stopped) 2) vet x rayed - thought something was possibly stuck 3) operated and found lymph nodes were swollen 4) biopsy taken - No cancer 5) cat sent home and started to play, etc... 6) stopped eating like she should 7) took her back to vet 8) vet said there was fluid on lungs 9) vet asked if they could run a FELV test (I had told them in the beginning she had never been tested) 10) came back positive 11) vet recommended putting to sleep 12) said lungs would most likely keep filling up with fluids 13) cat was spayed female, never been sick, little thin, good appetite until throwing up (was feeding Friskies Pacific Salmon when all the throwing up started) 14) cat was approx. 2-3 yrs old, inside cat, housed and fed with 14 others. Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world: Indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/
Re: New food recall info
Out of curiosity, where did you see that Innova EVO is manufactured by Menu Foods? Thanks, Lance On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 12:38:20 -0600, C J [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: The just stated on my local radio station that all wet pet food manufactured at Menu foods is to be recalled, not just the ones on the official recall list. I haven't been able to find much info on this, however, and have no idea what is safe anymore. I feed my cats canned Innova EVO, and Performatrin, both manufactured at Menu, but don't use wheat and not on the list. I feed my dog Pedigree canned, and I can't find any info as to where they manufacture it. Now, I have no idea what to feed my pets. Most brands are saying they are not on the recall list, but don't say where their canned food is manufactured. I was thinking of trying Friskies canned for my cats, but not sure where it is made?? Maybe I will have to stick with just dry food for awhile, except for my one diabetic cat that is only supposed to eat canned. Sigh -- Lance Linimon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Help - What are your opinions on this?
yes, sadly that's true. and all it takes is one bad
one to give the rest a bad rep, which is the case for
anything really.
:)
wendy
--- Debbie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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#ff;color: black;}we go between 3 vets in the
area. I personally thought operating for the throwing
up was unusual. She said the cat seemed pained in the
abdomen. They could only see a fuzzy patch on the x
rays which turned out to be swollen lymph nodes. You
asume though that vets like doctors know what is best.
-Original Message-
From: Susan Hoffman
Sent: Mar 26, 2007 2:37 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Help - What are your opinions on this?
You need a new vet. The in-office ELISA test has a
very high ratio of false positives. If I know this,
then your vet should too. She just doesn't do the
research.
Debbie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After having
our 14 cats tested for FELV (because we were told one
we had tested positive and was put to sleep due to
complications after a surgery) and they ALL came back
negative we felt we should let the vet know. This was
the answer we got.
The Test result was not a false one. She said if it
was a kitten then it might have been but not with an
older cat.
This was the scenerio:
1) cat was throwing up (however 2 others were also,
but then they stopped)
2) vet x rayed - thought something was possibly stuck
3) operated and found lymph nodes were swollen
4) biopsy taken - No cancer
5) cat sent home and started to play, etc...
6) stopped eating like she should
7) took her back to vet
8) vet said there was fluid on lungs
9) vet asked if they could run a FELV test (I had told
them in the beginning she had never been tested)
10) came back positive
11) vet recommended putting to sleep
12) said lungs would most likely keep filling up with
fluids
13) cat was spayed female, never been sick, little
thin, good appetite until throwing up (was feeding
Friskies Pacific Salmon when all the throwing up
started)
14) cat was approx. 2-3 yrs old, inside cat, housed
and fed with 14 others.
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Re: New food recall info
This site http://petsitusa.com/blog/?p=210 , Innova is under Natura pet products. It makes you wonder how different all these canned foods really are when they are made by the same company. - Original Message - From: Lance [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 12:51 PM Subject: Re: New food recall info Out of curiosity, where did you see that Innova EVO is manufactured by Menu Foods? Thanks, Lance On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 12:38:20 -0600, C J [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: The just stated on my local radio station that all wet pet food manufactured at Menu foods is to be recalled, not just the ones on the official recall list. I haven't been able to find much info on this, however, and have no idea what is safe anymore. I feed my cats canned Innova EVO, and Performatrin, both manufactured at Menu, but don't use wheat and not on the list. I feed my dog Pedigree canned, and I can't find any info as to where they manufacture it. Now, I have no idea what to feed my pets. Most brands are saying they are not on the recall list, but don't say where their canned food is manufactured. I was thinking of trying Friskies canned for my cats, but not sure where it is made?? Maybe I will have to stick with just dry food for awhile, except for my one diabetic cat that is only supposed to eat canned. Sigh -- Lance Linimon [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.18/733 - Release Date: 3/25/2007 11:07 AM
RE: Help - What are your opinions on this?
Awkward. In this case the test may not have been false positive -- the cat did have some symptoms associated with FeLV -- and if the cat's lungs were beginning to fill up etc. possibly PTS was the only kind thing to do -- but she really does need to know that there can be false positives among adult cats as well as among kittens, particularly with the in-office tests. I gather that the vet who's being defensive is the one who put the positive one to sleep? If so she may feel you're attacking her for doing so, questioning the positive diagnosis, and that's making her defensive. But the point SHOULD be that IF she is assuming there can be no false positives in adult cats AND is basing her PTS protocols solely on tests that may or may not be accurate, then she may be costing some lives. Diane R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Debbie Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 1:49 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Help - What are your opinions on this? my husband said she sounded very defensive when she phoned -Original Message- From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mar 26, 2007 2:46 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Help - What are your opinions on this? agreed, unless you feel like educating her, which might not be a bad idea. if she isn't interested in hearing what you have to say about false positives, then run for the hills. :) wendy --- Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You need a new vet. The in-office ELISA test has a very high ratio of false positives. If I know this, then your vet should too. She just doesn't do the research. Debbie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After having our 14 cats tested for FELV (because we were told one we had tested positive and was put to sleep due to complications after a surgery) and they ALL came back negative we felt we should let the vet know. This was the answer we got. The Test result was not a false one. She said if it was a kitten then it might have been but not with an older cat. This was the scenerio: 1) cat was throwing up (however 2 others were also, but then they stopped) 2) vet x rayed - thought something was possibly stuck 3) operated and found lymph nodes were swollen 4) biopsy taken - No cancer 5) cat sent home and started to play, etc... 6) stopped eating like she should 7) took her back to vet 8) vet said there was fluid on lungs 9) vet asked if they could run a FELV test (I had told them in the beginning she had never been tested) 10) came back positive 11) vet recommended putting to sleep 12) said lungs would most likely keep filling up with fluids 13) cat was spayed female, never been sick, little thin, good appetite until throwing up (was feeding Friskies Pacific Salmon when all the throwing up started) 14) cat was approx. 2-3 yrs old, inside cat, housed and fed with 14 others. Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world: Indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ ___ _ Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties.
Re: Looking for a good canned food
Sadly you are realistic. - Original Message - From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 11:02 AM Subject: Re: Looking for a good canned food My thought on all of this was, how do we know this wasn't a 'dry run' for terrorists? How do we know that they aren't testing the waters to find through which company and in what way they can inflict the most damage through our food supply? Me paranoid? No way. ;) :) Wendy --- TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: no, not that we can't be safe from all hazards, but that we're really fooling ourselves if we think that our food sources have been safe for a long time. we've all heard about SPORADIC outbreaks of e-coli, salmonella, etc etc and seen videos of horrible things happening at slaughterhouses, but could talk ourselves out of worrying too much because they WERE hit-and-miss. think about what this would be like on a human scale if ONE company was responsible for processing the same percentage of human food as it turns out menu foods seems to be with pet food and with the trend to multi-national corporations, factory farms rather than smaller, individually managed (and maintained) ones, that might be where our own food supply is heading. i think this could be the wake-up call we have been not wanting to hear. sadly, maybe we'll listen more clearly cuz it's our critters i guess i'm saying that i'm not really surprised, because too many bad things have been allowed to go on for a long time, in the name of progress, and corporate ethics. and not enough people have stood up and said, NO, this is NOT acceptable. oh, heck, i have to have a POINT? damn. that may change my whole outlook on life. On 3/24/07, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps all wheat has gluten, but I highly doubt it all comes from the same source in China. I don't know. Now I have to go find my glasses and check the label on my Roman Meal bread! Could it be possible that Menu Foods also produces processed foods for people too? Or that they are not the only ones cutting cost corners by not testing the raw ingredients that they use in their products? Sheesh. Is your point that we are never safe from the hazards of life as we know it? I've lived long enough to acknowledge that we can't safeguard against every frightening contingency out there, (or in our cupboard). But what's a conscientious human to do? We have to do what we always strive to do, keep ourselves as educated and informed as possible, (thanks to you for alerting us first about this latest plague on our complacency) and give thanks that we have made it through another day. I hate it when my nice, safe illusionary cocoon is disrupted. Are you saying we should patch our collective cocoons and use prayers and glow to protect us? What the heck is your point MC? :-) Nina TenHouseCats wrote: doesn't all wheat have gluten? isn't that why people with celiac disease can't eat products with wheat? (and so what, if the same equipment was used to process the stuff with rice or something else. i don't think that rat poison cares what it clings to.) what are SAFE sources of protein in this world anymore, anyway? for humans OR critters? i just cannot see myself going out and chasing down mice for the cats, as much as i love them--and how do i know the MICE haven't eaten poison -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world: Indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail QA for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396546091
Re: got dogs? pigs' ears recall....
Thank you for this important info. MC. Geez, what's going on with pet food!??? :) Wendy --- TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.fda.gov/oc/po/firmrecalls/petrapport03_07.html -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world: Indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097
RE: Help - What are your opinions on this?
she wasn't the one who put the cat down it was a fill in vet working at her clinic. We didn't notify them to acuse only to let them know that the other animal hospital that tested our other cats found it odd that none of them were positive. -Original Message- From: Rosenfeldt, Diane [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mar 26, 2007 2:58 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Help - What are your opinions on this? Awkward. In this case the test may not have been false positive -- the cat did have some symptoms associated with FeLV -- and if the cat's lungs were beginning to fill up etc. possibly PTS was the only kind thing to do -- but she really does need to know that there can be false positives among adult cats as well as among kittens, particularly with the in-office tests. I gather that the vet who's being defensive is the one who put the positive one to sleep? If so she may feel you're attacking her for doing so, questioning the positive diagnosis, and that's making her defensive. But the point SHOULD be that IF she is assuming there can be no false positives in adult cats AND is basing her PTS protocols solely on tests that may or may not be accurate, then she may be costing some lives. Diane R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Debbie Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 1:49 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Help - What are your opinions on this? my husband said she sounded very defensive when she phoned -Original Message- From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mar 26, 2007 2:46 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Help - What are your opinions on this? agreed, unless you feel like educating her, which might not be a bad idea. if she isn't interested in hearing what you have to say about false positives, then run for the hills. :) wendy --- Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You need a new vet. The in-office ELISA test has a very high ratio of false positives. If I know this, then your vet should too. She just doesn't do the research. Debbie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After having our 14 cats tested for FELV (because we were told one we had tested positive and was put to sleep due to complications after a surgery) and they ALL came back negative we felt we should let the vet know. This was the answer we got. The Test result was not a false one. She said if it was a kitten then it might have been but not with an older cat. This was the scenerio: 1) cat was throwing up (however 2 others were also, but then they stopped) 2) vet x rayed - thought something was possibly stuck 3) operated and found lymph nodes were swollen 4) biopsy taken - No cancer 5) cat sent home and started to play, etc... 6) stopped eating like she should 7) took her back to vet 8) vet said there was fluid on lungs 9) vet asked if they could run a FELV test (I had told them in the beginning she had never been tested) 10) came back positive 11) vet recommended putting to sleep 12) said lungs would most likely keep filling up with fluids 13) cat was spayed female, never been sick, little thin, good appetite until throwing up (was feeding Friskies Pacific Salmon when all the throwing up started) 14) cat was approx. 2-3 yrs old, inside cat, housed and fed with 14 others. Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world: Indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ ___ _ Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties.
Re: Slinky - Sad News
My thoughts and prayers are with you both. Dede and Ki --- Marissa Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all. Thank you so much for all the GLOW and well wishes. Slinky and I just got back from the vet (and a spin through the park). I am sad to report that his HCT has dropped to just over 5! It was a little above 7 on Friday. The vet didn't even want to give him the IR shot today because she said his platlettes (sp?) are so low that when they stick him in the vein he just bleeds. She thought an IV injection would do more harm than good. She agrees with me that it's best to let him go. She said she's never seen a cat with HCT that low who was still awake and breathing ok (which, amazingly, he is). But she also indicated that as the RBC's drop, his organs will shut down and things will just get worse. Unfortunately, I'm not sure when this will happen. I needed to bring him home right now so I'd have some time to say goodbye and do some of his favorite things. But I have a HGE day at work tomorrow and am not sure I'll get through it if I put him down tonight. Tomorrow night I have an evening meeting for work that I can't get out of! So it might have to be Wednesday. I don't know...I'd just die if he gets worse before then, but some things can't be rescheduled (I've already missed several days of work to take care of him and be with him). He's pretty much the same...still breathing fine, eating, drinking, and using his box. So I guess for now I'll just see how it goes. They said they'd fit me in any time. Thanks again for all your support! I will be getting another kitty eventually (he is my only and my first as an adult!!)...but I don't think I'm up for another FeLV pos. I'm thinking maybe one who's missing an eye or has a bad leg or is deaf or something. Something that makes them difficult to adopt but isn't life threatening...I just don't think I can go through this again right now. I hope all your furkids are well. I'll let you know when I need to add Slinky to the CLS. Thanks! MJ and Slinky - 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with theYahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. http://videogames.yahoo.com/platform?platform=120121
Re: New food recall info
PLEASE, everyone, stay current by checking at www.howl911.com. some stuff that's coming out on lists as, new! has been out for days, but people see new and flip out. the facts are bad enough--adding to the panic doesn't really help. this site, that both susan and i have posted numerous times now, is not run by any one manufacturer or special interest, but has links to all sorts of resources dealing with the issue--and it is updated as often as new info comes in. MC On 3/26/07, C J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The just stated on my local radio station that all wet pet food manufactured at Menu foods is to be recalled, not just the ones on the official recall list. I haven't been able to find much info on this, however, and have no idea what is safe anymore. I feed my cats canned Innova EVO, and Performatrin, both manufactured at Menu, but don't use wheat and not on the list. I feed my dog Pedigree canned, and I can't find any info as to where they manufacture it. Now, I have no idea what to feed my pets. Most brands are saying they are not on the recall list, but don't say where their canned food is manufactured. I was thinking of trying Friskies canned for my cats, but not sure where it is made?? Maybe I will have to stick with just dry food for awhile, except for my one diabetic cat that is only supposed to eat canned. Sigh -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: someone who is GOOD at marketing, etc
i was actually thinking of groups getting together and making homemade PET FOOD MEALS, a la dr pitcairn or the others who've researched it extensively my cats, on the other hand. On 3/26/07, wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: absolutely. i feed mine cooked chicken. but full plates of mashed potatoes with gravy, salisbury steak with gravy, and green beans was what was pictured on one of the plates. i was thinking along those lines... :) Wendy --- Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doesn't it depend what you feed them though? I mean I wouldn't think they should eat oh..fettucini alfredo..but if they are eating cooked meat shouldn't it be ok? On 3/26/07, wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i did see some flyers at the pet food store friday where you can order home cooked 'people' food for your dogs. i didn't get the company name because i was too busy laughing (not to mention, i saw the flyer on the floor while using the restrooom). the company is serious though. they have very nice color flyers. the food looks just like what the black eyed pea cooks up for it's customers. not sure it's healthy though. vets tell people not to feed their dogs people food. :) wendy --- TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you know, they have these businesses all over the country for people to get together and cook up a week's worth of meals with other people, in a fully-equipped kitchen, etc. good company, instructions, all the ingredients-- someone needs to start up a business, then franchise it, doing that for homemade pet-meals! people could get together, talk about their critters, share information--and go home with food! too bad i am totally USELESS when it comes to manifesting anything i visualize. the concrete details slay me -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail QA for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396546091 -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world: Indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail QA for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396546091 -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: New food recall info
Too true, MC, and thanks for posting that link some time back. If i'd read on down farther at howl911, I would have seen the info about Natura. They also have a brief blurb about it on their home page. I remember something about a custom manufacturing facility for Natura, and I'm betting that's for the dry food. I'm going to look around for other wet food options, I think. Lance On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 15:20:01 -0400, TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: PLEASE, everyone, stay current by checking at www.howl911.com. some stuff that's coming out on lists as, new! has been out for days, but people see new and flip out. the facts are bad enough--adding to the panic doesn't really help. this site, that both susan and i have posted numerous times now, is not run by any one manufacturer or special interest, but has links to all sorts of resources dealing with the issue--and it is updated as often as new info comes in. MC On 3/26/07, C J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The just stated on my local radio station that all wet pet food manufactured at Menu foods is to be recalled, not just the ones on the official recall list. I haven't been able to find much info on this, however, and have no idea what is safe anymore. I feed my cats canned Innova EVO, and Performatrin, both manufactured at Menu, but don't use wheat and not on the list. I feed my dog Pedigree canned, and I can't find any info as to where they manufacture it. Now, I have no idea what to feed my pets. Most brands are saying they are not on the recall list, but don't say where their canned food is manufactured. I was thinking of trying Friskies canned for my cats, but not sure where it is made?? Maybe I will have to stick with just dry food for awhile, except for my one diabetic cat that is only supposed to eat canned. Sigh -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 -- Lance Linimon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Slinky - Sad News
Marissa, I'm saddened to read that Slinky is so anemic and not doing well. It's wonderful that you've be able to spend some time with him doing things he likes, and that he is somehow managing to hang in there. I'm also sorry that you have a tough day at work tomorrow right after what may be his last night with you. You two will be in my thoughts and prayers. He looks like a very sweet boy. Thank you for posting the pics. Lance On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 10:02:44 -0700 (PDT), Marissa Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Hi all. Thank you so much for all the GLOW and well wishes. Slinky and I just got back from the vet (and a spin through the park). I am sad to report that his HCT has dropped to just over 5! It was a little above 7 on Friday. The vet didn't even want to give him the IR shot today because she said his platlettes (sp?) are so low that when they stick him in the vein he just bleeds. She thought an IV injection would do more harm than good. She agrees with me that it's best to let him go. She said she's never seen a cat with HCT that low who was still awake and breathing ok (which, amazingly, he is). But she also indicated that as the RBC's drop, his organs will shut down and things will just get worse. Unfortunately, I'm not sure when this will happen. I needed to bring him home right now so I'd have some time to say goodbye and do some of his favorite things. But I have a HGE day at work tomorrow and am not sure I'll get through it if I put him down tonight. Tomorrow night I have an evening meeting for work that I can't get out of! So it might have to be Wednesday. I don't know...I'd just die if he gets worse before then, but some things can't be rescheduled (I've already missed several days of work to take care of him and be with him). He's pretty much the same...still breathing fine, eating, drinking, and using his box. So I guess for now I'll just see how it goes. They said they'd fit me in any time. Thanks again for all your support! I will be getting another kitty eventually (he is my only and my first as an adult!!)...but I don't think I'm up for another FeLV pos. I'm thinking maybe one who's missing an eye or has a bad leg or is deaf or something. Something that makes them difficult to adopt but isn't life threatening...I just don't think I can go through this again right now. I hope all your furkids are well. I'll let you know when I need to add Slinky to the CLS. Thanks! MJ and Slinky - 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with theYahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. -- Lance Linimon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Anyone feed Diamond?
One of their varieties is corn and wheat free. They state they have nothing to do with Menu foods. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia
Re: food recall info/Innova
I just called Natura, the manufacturer of Innova products, as well as California Natural, and the woman I spoke with said they DO use Menu Foods to manufacture their canned food, BUT their foods are processed through the Sioux Falls, SD plant and the two plants that were affected were New Jersey and Kansas. In addition, Natura does not use wheat gluten in ANY of their foods, so your Innova products are safe according to the person I spoke with. :) Wendy --- C J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The just stated on my local radio station that all wet pet food manufactured at Menu foods is to be recalled, not just the ones on the official recall list. I haven't been able to find much info on this, however, and have no idea what is safe anymore. I feed my cats canned Innova EVO, and Performatrin, both manufactured at Menu, but don't use wheat and not on the list. I feed my dog Pedigree canned, and I can't find any info as to where they manufacture it. Now, I have no idea what to feed my pets. Most brands are saying they are not on the recall list, but don't say where their canned food is manufactured. I was thinking of trying Friskies canned for my cats, but not sure where it is made?? Maybe I will have to stick with just dry food for awhile, except for my one diabetic cat that is only supposed to eat canned. Sigh Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world: Indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail QA for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396546091
Re: Anyone feed Diamond?
Diamond makes the Chicken Soup for the Pet Lover's Soul products. When Ember first tested positive, I started her on Chicken Soup for the Cat Lover's Soul dry while I looked further into our options. She liked it a lot. Lance On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 14:58:25 -0500, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: One of their varieties is corn and wheat free. They state they have nothing to do with Menu foods. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia -- Lance Linimon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Anyone feed Diamond?
I bought this variety on Saturday to see if they liked it. I really like the ingredient list and the price. $18 for 20 lbs. This is cheaper than most pet foods. http://www.diamondpet.com/products/diamond_naturals/cats/dry_food/indoor_cat_formula/ On 3/26/07, Lance [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Diamond makes the Chicken Soup for the Pet Lover's Soul products. When Ember first tested positive, I started her on Chicken Soup for the Cat Lover's Soul dry while I looked further into our options. She liked it a lot. Lance On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 14:58:25 -0500, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: One of their varieties is corn and wheat free. They state they have nothing to do with Menu foods. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia -- Lance Linimon [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia
Re: Vet wants to put Midnight down?
The vet did do some blood work. I do not know the exact numbers, but I do know that after 3 rounds of antibiotics, the wbc in his urine are extremely high (those are the drs words). I do trust Dr Proctor. He is a great doc and a cot lover too :) Midnight is eating, less but eating. He always wants to be held. I have not been measuring his water but he does drink. I guess I should measure it. I do know that over the last 3 to 4 days, I have not filled the bowl as often. Susan Hoffman wrote: Did your vet do bloodwork? What were the results? And do you truly trust this vet? Is Midnight eating, responding to petting? How much water is he drinking? */Jennifer Madon [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: My vet says that the reason Midnight isn't responding to the antibiotics or the Feliway (he still pees not sprays everywhere) is because he is in renal failure. My vet is all for helping animals but says this is a one way street and there is pain and suffering at the end of the street. He suggests we say our goodbyes and put him down. I do not have a clue what to do or how to respond to this. We have only had him since the week after Christmas when he found us. Any suggestions? Jennifer
Re: New food recall info
I too would like a complete list of all foods produced by Menu Foods. (I guess a smaller list would be all those pet food companies that DO NOT have foods made by them). So far I haven't been able to find one. Below is info from the link that MC has been posting. It at least has some manufactures that do not have any foods produced by Menu Foods at all, (at least according to PFE). Pet Food Express' current sales policy on wet dog and cat food is as follows: NOT AVAILABLE FOR SALE We are not selling: * Any item that has been recalled. * Any wet foods, recalled or not, from brands that were made by Menu Foods and that had a significant number of recalled products * The brands affected are: Iams, Eukanuba, Science Diet, Nutro AVAILABLE FOR SALE ON A RESTRICTED BASIS These are brands that are produced in whole or in part by Menu Foods but for which we have spoken to the manufacturer and been assured that: * Their products are not produced in the suspected plants. * None of their products are being recalled * They have had no reports of sick, dying, or dead pets. * Their products do not contain wheat gluten. We are selling these brands only if a client is fully aware of the recall and the potential risk posed by feeding a product made by Menu Foods. Although we have been assured that there is no problem with these foods, we cannot and do not vouch that they are safe. * The brands included are: Nature's Variety, Wellness, Castor Pollux, Newman's Own Organics, Wysong, Innova AVAILABLE FOR SALE WITHOUT RESTRICTION We are selling without restriction any brand that is not made by Menu Foods at all. The brands included are: * Chicken Soup for the Pet Lover's Soul * Canidae/Felidae * Breeder's Choice/Pinnacle (except for Chicken and Oats formula which is made by Menu) * Natural Balance * Solid Gold * Triumph/Evolve * Merrick * Kal Kan (Pedigree, Cesar, and Whiskas)
Re: Vet wants to put Midnight down?
Well the pee is inconvenient but I would not pts for that reason. Heck, my 3 years old has peed on the floor many times but I still have him LOL! I just don't know much about this stuff and I don't want him to suffer. I have noticed that if he pees on something non-absorbent (like my suitcase) and I don't catch it, it dries with salt looking crystals. I know I need help but I don't know what help I need. I did try the comfort zone feliway stuff that this group recommended, I don't see much of a change but the dr said that was because of the renal failure. Kelly L wrote: At 10:56 AM 3/26/2007, you wrote: No No No Please rethink, my kitty in CRF did pee all over, he was getting so much fluids, and he was an old tomif he is eating and comfortable and happy...He made need to have is roaming area curtailed, but there are s many options, If the PTS is for convenience so there is no pee on the floor that is a different issue, but it sounds like a convenient thing rather than health thing, my CRF cat was happy for 3 years after diagnosis, How can we help?? Kelly My vet says that the reason Midnight isn't responding to the antibiotics or the Feliway (he still pees not sprays everywhere) is because he is in renal failure. My vet is all for helping animals but says this is a one way street and there is pain and suffering at the end of the street. He suggests we say our goodbyes and put him down. I do not have a clue what to do or how to respond to this. We have only had him since the week after Christmas when he found us. Any suggestions? Jennifer -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.413 / Virus Database: 268.18.17/732 - Release Date: 3/24/2007
Re: Vet wants to put Midnight down?
Midnight is a stray that found us about 3 months ago. Best guess by Dr is that he is about 11 or 12 months old. So he is not elderly at all. I will try to change the litter type but the pee isn't the big issue. That is what took us to the Dr. but the renal failure is what brought me to this group. I just don't want this boy to suffer. wendy wrote: Jennifer, I have a CRF kitty who will be 18 in June. She pees A LOT. Is Midnight peeing a lot? Is he drinking a lot? Do you have his kidney values? What are they? I would ask a lot of questions before you pts. Julie has been CRF for over a year, and she really isn't being treated for it because we're treating her for hyperT, and besides, I don't think there's a lot you can do for CRF other than diet. Someone please correct me here if I'm wrong. Julie is happy and purring and enjoying life even though she goes to the bathroom a lot and we go through litter like water. I have to keep her box really clean or she will go elsewhere, and sometimes still does, but not often. How old is this boy? Renal failure usually happens to CRF kitties who are elderly, or to cats who are sick from something else that's shutting down their organs. Which does Midnight fall under? :) Wendy --- Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 10:56 AM 3/26/2007, you wrote: No No No Please rethink, my kitty in CRF did pee all over, he was getting so much fluids, and he was an old tomif he is eating and comfortable and happy...He made need to have is roaming area curtailed, but there are s many options, If the PTS is for convenience so there is no pee on the floor that is a different issue, but it sounds like a convenient thing rather than health thing, my CRF cat was happy for 3 years after diagnosis, How can we help?? Kelly My vet says that the reason Midnight isn't responding to the antibiotics or the Feliway (he still pees not sprays everywhere) is because he is in renal failure. My vet is all for helping animals but says this is a one way street and there is pain and suffering at the end of the street. He suggests we say our goodbyes and put him down. I do not have a clue what to do or how to respond to this. We have only had him since the week after Christmas when he found us. Any suggestions? Jennifer -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.413 / Virus Database: 268.18.17/732 - Release Date: 3/24/2007 Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world: Indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/
Re: Fred Update
5 MG per pound, every 12 hours. So it depends on Fred's weight, do you have a recent weight for him? I can give you exact solution instructions once I know his weight (we need to know how many times to divide the 250 MG dose to get the correct dose for his weight per pill). It's kinda complicated to do the math, but really easy to do once you get the math part all figured out. Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources
for Slinky and Marissa....
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/message.cfm?l=engcid=2995094 -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: Slinky - Sad News
When I lost Moogie, I had to drop her off at the vet and go to work. They called and told me that she was dying and there wasn't anything else to do... I rushed back over, but only got about 30 minutes with her. I wish I would have blown off work and spent that morning with her. You can't get that time back. My thoughts are with you. Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources
Re: Anyone feed Diamond?
but don't forget that diamond foods had their own major recall last year. theoretically, that SHOULD make them safer than other places, tho. On 3/26/07, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I bought this variety on Saturday to see if they liked it. I really like the ingredient list and the price. $18 for 20 lbs. This is cheaper than most pet foods. http://www.diamondpet.com/products/diamond_naturals/cats/dry_food/indoor_cat_formula/ On 3/26/07, Lance [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Diamond makes the Chicken Soup for the Pet Lover's Soul products. When Ember first tested positive, I started her on Chicken Soup for the Cat Lover's Soul dry while I looked further into our options. She liked it a lot. Lance On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 14:58:25 -0500, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: One of their varieties is corn and wheat free. They state they have nothing to do with Menu foods. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia -- Lance Linimon [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: Vet wants to put Midnight down?
If you have his bloodwork values, post them. If you don't, ask the vet if they'll fax them over or if you can come pick up a copy. We absolutely want to help you, but need to know those kidney values first. That will tell you if he's in renal failure. If you trust this doc, then he's probably going off those numbers for this diagnosis and he's probably right. But post them just in case. Does the vet say what is causing the renal failure, or is it just straight CRF (Chronic renal failure). Has he given your kitty any subQ fluids? If he's that bad, I would think he needs them. If he's CRF, I would strongly recommend you join the yahoo CRF group for guidance. They will know all the symptoms and be able to help you better. Also, here's a link to the just diagnosed page of the feline crf website, a great source of info.: http://www.felinecrf.org/just_diagnosed.htm Please keep us posted on Midnight. Good luck! :) Wendy --- Jennifer Madon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Midnight is a stray that found us about 3 months ago. Best guess by Dr is that he is about 11 or 12 months old. So he is not elderly at all. I will try to change the litter type but the pee isn't the big issue. That is what took us to the Dr. but the renal failure is what brought me to this group. I just don't want this boy to suffer. wendy wrote: Jennifer, I have a CRF kitty who will be 18 in June. She pees A LOT. Is Midnight peeing a lot? Is he drinking a lot? Do you have his kidney values? What are they? I would ask a lot of questions before you pts. Julie has been CRF for over a year, and she really isn't being treated for it because we're treating her for hyperT, and besides, I don't think there's a lot you can do for CRF other than diet. Someone please correct me here if I'm wrong. Julie is happy and purring and enjoying life even though she goes to the bathroom a lot and we go through litter like water. I have to keep her box really clean or she will go elsewhere, and sometimes still does, but not often. How old is this boy? Renal failure usually happens to CRF kitties who are elderly, or to cats who are sick from something else that's shutting down their organs. Which does Midnight fall under? :) Wendy --- Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 10:56 AM 3/26/2007, you wrote: No No No Please rethink, my kitty in CRF did pee all over, he was getting so much fluids, and he was an old tomif he is eating and comfortable and happy...He made need to have is roaming area curtailed, but there are s many options, If the PTS is for convenience so there is no pee on the floor that is a different issue, but it sounds like a convenient thing rather than health thing, my CRF cat was happy for 3 years after diagnosis, How can we help?? Kelly My vet says that the reason Midnight isn't responding to the antibiotics or the Feliway (he still pees not sprays everywhere) is because he is in renal failure. My vet is all for helping animals but says this is a one way street and there is pain and suffering at the end of the street. He suggests we say our goodbyes and put him down. I do not have a clue what to do or how to respond to this. We have only had him since the week after Christmas when he found us. Any suggestions? Jennifer -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.413 / Virus Database: 268.18.17/732 - Release Date: 3/24/2007 Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world: Indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world: Indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/domains/?p=BESTDEAL
Main CRF info. page-please read Jennifer
Hey Jennifer, Also, read this intro crf page. It's talking about what you are going through. http://www.felinecrf.org/index.htm :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world: Indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/265
Re: Slinky - Sad News
Thanks for that reminder Phaewryn. I've actually been able to postpone tomorrow's meeting (my boss had asked if I wanted to this morning because I've been sick, but like a dope I said I'd be okay!...but I was able to call everyone and tell them we're postponing it. I think it's for the best all the way around). So I've made the appointment for tomorrow evening at 6:40 - the last appointment of the day - and have found a friend to go with me. I can't believe I'm doing this. It seems so...FINAL. And I guess it is, but...wow. I know it's what's best but that doesn't make it any easier. Anyway, Slink and I have the rest of tonight and all of tomorrow to be with each other. Thanks again for all your support! MJ [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I lost Moogie, I had to drop her off at the vet and go to work. They called and told me that she was dying and there wasn't anything else to do... I rushed back over, but only got about 30 minutes with her. I wish I would have blown off work and spent that morning with her. You can't get that time back. My thoughts are with you. Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources - Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit.
Re: Vet wants to put Midnight down?
CRF (chronic renal failure) in cats is very treatable, unless it's extremely advanced. I would get a second opinion, and maybe a third one too. Check out my CRF webpage for lots of info on treatment and management: http://ucat.us/CRFPKDCats.html Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources
Re: Fred Update
He was 9 lbs at the vets a few days ago, it may be a few ounces higher but right in that ball park. They're scales aren't that reliable, each scale will give you a different weight so I will weigh him on mine, I have something that is my test object and always weights the same so I know mine is accurate. So that would be a minumum of 45mgs, wonder if I divided into 1/4 = 62.5 would be too strong? When he was getting clavamox he got 62.5mg twice a day. He is sleeping right now but I'll get his weight later today. My thinking is when he was on the clavamox it cleared the infection up but they only had him on a 3 week course, so as soon as the clavamox was done within a week or so the infection came raging back. He is currently taking clindamycin until we see just what the culture says. If he goes back on the clavamox, when we run out per what the the vet prescribes, *I want to continue it for another month or so to make sure the infection is really gone!! *Will this cause any problems that anyone is aware of. I don't think they realize he is older with health issues and needs a longer course of antibiotics to get over things, course if they did they wouldn't have gotten that extra now 800.00 out of me, guess someone has to pay for that new building!! I do have a friend who has many special needs and sick cats and she has a few that have been on a low dose of antibiotics for a long, long time, it hasn't seemed to affect them adversely and when they don't get the antibiotics (I mean the fish mox) they don't eat and obviously don't feel well. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Stamp
I have been reading, but not participating in the posts the last week or so. I am so sorry to hear about Slinky and Belinda's Fred. I have an FeLV foster kitty named Stamp, who had started to get sick. He went to the vet and they said to bring him back in a week or so.His belly has been getting big, and I can feel the bones in his back although he eats fine. They could not get fluid from his belly last week. He now mostly lays totally stretched out, because I think his belly bothers him. Well I took him in today, and his HCT, which was 28 a week and a half ago is now 20. His temp was 104, last week 103.5. He just finish 10 days of Zenequin. The vet put him on Doxy and 5mg Pred every day. They said his protein level was high and they fear it is FIP. He is supposed to go back to the vet Friday, but I fear he will not last that long. It seems there has been so much loss here lately. I have not lost a kitty in about 2 years. I am a huge Nanci Griffith fan, and she has a song that says I cannot find a place to put this love away. That's the way I feel right now. I talked to the shelter director today and we agreed that it was a miracle for her to find him, and for me to love him. He was only destined to have a short time, and he got to spend it in happily. I desperately need to go home and do yard work, but I am going to go to the store, get him some roast beef, and cuddle with Stamp. If the neighbors don't like my weeds, the hell with them. Beth - Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games.
Re: Slinky - Sad News
Marissa, I'm so sorry. My eyes filled with tears when I read your news this morning. I had such high hopes for a miracle for you and your Slinky boy. I know you haven't come to this decision lightly and that the only reason you would even consider this is to spare him any unnecessary suffering. MC has a quote that has given me comfort, something about it being better to let them go a day too soon than an hour too late. I have been on both sides of this terrible coin; waiting with hope only to have them suffer, and living afterward with the fear that I made the decision to help them cross too soon. No matter what we do in these circumstances we may be plagued by the possibility that we did the wrong thing, (the dreaded what ifs). I just wanted to let you know that I understand, and that I don't believe that it is possible to do the wrong thing when these hard decisions are made from our hearts. When we lose the hope of recovery, then letting them go is the last gift of love we can bestow on them. The last act of protection we can provide. I had such terrible regrets when I helped my Jazzy cross, but in the weeks that followed I found myself replacing my self-recriminations with acceptance. Even if I hadn't made the decision I did, she most likely would have been gone by then. Finally, I was able to forgive myself, not so much for the decisions I made, but for not being able to control the circumstances of our time together. I was able to forgive myself for not being able to save her. At least I can know that because I made the decision I did, when I did, her suffering was not prolonged. I know that she knows I will always love her, that I'm grateful for the time she graced my life and that no matter how many tears I shed, I will never be sorry I took her in. I can rest easier knowing that my sweet bottle baby, whom I had protected and nurtured from the time I became her surrogate mom, never had a moment of fear or want. Not even at the end of her all too short life. I'm glad that you've made it possible to spend this time in Slinky's company. With how hard you've both fought, with all you and your family have done for your darling Slink, I'm praying that you will be spared the torture of any what ifs. Hold that angel close and know that he has worked his way into all our hearts. Much love to you, Nina Marissa Johnson wrote: Thanks for that reminder Phaewryn. I've actually been able to postpone tomorrow's meeting (my boss had asked if I wanted to this morning because I've been sick, but like a dope I said I'd be okay!...but I was able to call everyone and tell them we're postponing it. I think it's for the best all the way around). So I've made the appointment for tomorrow evening at 6:40 - the last appointment of the day - and have found a friend to go with me. I can't believe I'm doing this. It seems so...FINAL. And I guess it is, but...wow. I know it's what's best but that doesn't make it any easier. Anyway, Slink and I have the rest of tonight and all of tomorrow to be with each other. Thanks again for all your support! MJ
Re: Stamp
Oh Beth! I can't tell you how sorry I am to hear this news. I have been thinking about you and Stamp and hoping that no news was good news. I don't even know what to say. All I want to do is shake my fist and curse at the sky. I guess I should have waited until I was more composed to respond. So much sadness and pain. I'm so sorry, Nina Gussies mom wrote: I have been reading, but not participating in the posts the last week or so. I am so sorry to hear about Slinky and Belinda's Fred. I have an FeLV foster kitty named Stamp, who had started to get sick. He went to the vet and they said to bring him back in a week or so.His belly has been getting big, and I can feel the bones in his back although he eats fine. They could not get fluid from his belly last week. He now mostly lays totally stretched out, because I think his belly bothers him. Well I took him in today, and his HCT, which was 28 a week and a half ago is now 20. His temp was 104, last week 103.5. He just finish 10 days of Zenequin. The vet put him on Doxy and 5mg Pred every day. They said his protein level was high and they fear it is FIP. He is supposed to go back to the vet Friday, but I fear he will not last that long. It seems there has been so much loss here lately. I have not lost a kitty in about 2 years. I am a huge Nanci Griffith fan, and she has a song that says I cannot find a place to put this love away. That's the way I feel right now. I talked to the shelter director today and we agreed that it was a miracle for her to find him, and for me to love him. He was only destined to have a short time, and he got to spend it in happily. I desperately need to go home and do yard work, but I am going to go to the store, get him some roast beef, and cuddle with Stamp. If the neighbors don't like my weeds, the hell with them. Beth Bored stiff? http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=49935/*http://games.yahoo.com Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=49935/*http://games.yahoo.com on Yahoo! Games.
Re: Vet wants to put Midnight down?
I feel almost foolish asking such an obvious question right now, but what has Midnight been eating?? You must have considered the possibility that he's been eating tainted Menu Foods products by now, right? Nina Jennifer Madon wrote: Midnight is a stray that found us about 3 months ago. Best guess by Dr is that he is about 11 or 12 months old. So he is not elderly at all. I will try to change the litter type but the pee isn't the big issue. That is what took us to the Dr. but the renal failure is what brought me to this group. I just don't want this boy to suffer.
Re: Stamp
no words, beth but i really applaud your priorities re: your neighbors and the yard work--that struck me. MC -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: Slinky - Sad News
beautiful, nina. On 3/26/07, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marissa, I'm so sorry. My eyes filled with tears when I read your news this morning. I had such high hopes for a miracle for you and your Slinky boy. I know you haven't come to this decision lightly and that the only reason you would even consider this is to spare him any unnecessary suffering. MC has a quote that has given me comfort, something about it being better to let them go a day too soon than an hour too late. I have been on both sides of this terrible coin; waiting with hope only to have them suffer, and living afterward with the fear that I made the decision to help them cross too soon. No matter what we do in these circumstances we may be plagued by the possibility that we did the wrong thing, (the dreaded what ifs). I just wanted to let you know that I understand, and that I don't believe that it is possible to do the wrong thing when these hard decisions are made from our hearts. When we lose the hope of recovery, then letting them go is the last gift of love we can bestow on them. The last act of protection we can provide. I had such terrible regrets when I helped my Jazzy cross, but in the weeks that followed I found myself replacing my self-recriminations with acceptance. Even if I hadn't made the decision I did, she most likely would have been gone by then. Finally, I was able to forgive myself, not so much for the decisions I made, but for not being able to control the circumstances of our time together. I was able to forgive myself for not being able to save her. At least I can know that because I made the decision I did, when I did, her suffering was not prolonged. I know that she knows I will always love her, that I'm grateful for the time she graced my life and that no matter how many tears I shed, I will never be sorry I took her in. I can rest easier knowing that my sweet bottle baby, whom I had protected and nurtured from the time I became her surrogate mom, never had a moment of fear or want. Not even at the end of her all too short life. I'm glad that you've made it possible to spend this time in Slinky's company. With how hard you've both fought, with all you and your family have done for your darling Slink, I'm praying that you will be spared the torture of any what ifs. Hold that angel close and know that he has worked his way into all our hearts. Much love to you, Nina Marissa Johnson wrote: Thanks for that reminder Phaewryn. I've actually been able to postpone tomorrow's meeting (my boss had asked if I wanted to this morning because I've been sick, but like a dope I said I'd be okay!...but I was able to call everyone and tell them we're postponing it. I think it's for the best all the way around). So I've made the appointment for tomorrow evening at 6:40 - the last appointment of the day - and have found a friend to go with me. I can't believe I'm doing this. It seems so...FINAL. And I guess it is, but...wow. I know it's what's best but that doesn't make it any easier. Anyway, Slink and I have the rest of tonight and all of tomorrow to be with each other. Thanks again for all your support! MJ -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: Slinky - Sad News
Nina (and EVERYONE!), thank you soo much! It is so helpful to know that those doubts are normal and that it won't be an indication that I made the wrong decision. I honestly don't know how I would get through this time without all of you! MC and Barb have been absolutely amazing chatting with me online and helping me sort things out - thanks! And all of you, your words of encouragement and support mean so much to me! I know this is going to be near impossible and that it's going to hurt a lot...but somehow I'll manage to get through it. Thank you for sharing this journey with me and for lending me your strength! I've been telling Slink all about my other pets who are waiting for him at the Rainbow Bridge... and telling him that I'm gonna help him get rid of his tired weak body and feel wonderful again. I hope he'll carry a piece of my heart with me...and I know I'll have him in my heart forever. He'll always be my most precious kitty...the kitty of my heart. I truly don't think I understood the depths of love and responsibility I was capable of feeling until he came into my life. He has taught me S MUCH (which I'll write more about someday) and I will cherish those lessons always. I can only hope I've been able to show him the same depth of love, acceptance, and security he has shown me. Thank you again for being here with me. I've got less than 24 hours now to be with my precious baby, so I'm going to make the most of it. GLOW to you and your babies! MJ Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marissa, I'm so sorry. My eyes filled with tears when I read your news this morning. I had such high hopes for a miracle for you and your Slinky boy. I know you haven't come to this decision lightly and that the only reason you would even consider this is to spare him any unnecessary suffering. MC has a quote that has given me comfort, something about it being better to let them go a day too soon than an hour too late. I have been on both sides of this terrible coin; waiting with hope only to have them suffer, and living afterward with the fear that I made the decision to help them cross too soon. No matter what we do in these circumstances we may be plagued by the possibility that we did the wrong thing, (the dreaded what ifs). I just wanted to let you know that I understand, and that I don't believe that it is possible to do the wrong thing when these hard decisions are made from our hearts. When we lose the hope of recovery, then letting them go is the last gift of love we can bestow on them. The last act of protection we can provide. I had such terrible regrets when I helped my Jazzy cross, but in the weeks that followed I found myself replacing my self-recriminations with acceptance. Even if I hadn't made the decision I did, she most likely would have been gone by then. Finally, I was able to forgive myself, not so much for the decisions I made, but for not being able to control the circumstances of our time together. I was able to forgive myself for not being able to save her. At least I can know that because I made the decision I did, when I did, her suffering was not prolonged. I know that she knows I will always love her, that I'm grateful for the time she graced my life and that no matter how many tears I shed, I will never be sorry I took her in. I can rest easier knowing that my sweet bottle baby, whom I had protected and nurtured from the time I became her surrogate mom, never had a moment of fear or want. Not even at the end of her all too short life. I'm glad that you've made it possible to spend this time in Slinky's company. With how hard you've both fought, with all you and your family have done for your darling Slink, I'm praying that you will be spared the torture of any what ifs. Hold that angel close and know that he has worked his way into all our hearts. Much love to you, Nina Marissa Johnson wrote: Thanks for that reminder Phaewryn. I've actually been able to postpone tomorrow's meeting (my boss had asked if I wanted to this morning because I've been sick, but like a dope I said I'd be okay!...but I was able to call everyone and tell them we're postponing it. I think it's for the best all the way around). So I've made the appointment for tomorrow evening at 6:40 - the last appointment of the day - and have found a friend to go with me. I can't believe I'm doing this. It seems so...FINAL. And I guess it is, but...wow. I know it's what's best but that doesn't make it any easier. Anyway, Slink and I have the rest of tonight and all of tomorrow to be with each other. Thanks again for all your support! MJ - Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by Green Rating at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center.
Re: Vet wants to put Midnight down?
Well, the latest food has been Purina Cat Chow. I didn't check on it because he eats dry food. I haven't even followed the recall since I heard it is in wet food. Should I worry? Nina wrote: I feel almost foolish asking such an obvious question right now, but what has Midnight been eating?? You must have considered the possibility that he's been eating tainted Menu Foods products by now, right? Nina Jennifer Madon wrote: Midnight is a stray that found us about 3 months ago. Best guess by Dr is that he is about 11 or 12 months old. So he is not elderly at all. I will try to change the litter type but the pee isn't the big issue. That is what took us to the Dr. but the renal failure is what brought me to this group. I just don't want this boy to suffer.
Re: food recall info/Innova
I just called and got the same info, that Natura Pet does use Menu foods for their canned foods (they manufacture their dry foods at their own plant in Nebraska), but again, same thing, they assure that it's not effected by the recall, as it's a different plant in a different state (N. Dakota), and they don't use ANY ingredients from China. All their ingredients are from the USA except their lamb, which comes from New Zealand. Regardless, I just called my vet's office and told them to REFUSE my shipment that I ordered. I'll feed the dry, but not the canned. I am now researching other options. What do you diet experts think of the nutrient list of the Feline Diet shown on this page (short list at top, more detailed nutrient list at bottom, first column)? http://www.nebraskabrand.com/classic.htm Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources
RE: Slinky - Sad News
Marissa -- I know how bittersweet this next day will be for you. Comfort vibes to you. Slinky knows how very deeply he is loved. How could he not when it shines out of every word you write? We will look forward to your Slink stories when you are ready. Diane R. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marissa Johnson Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 6:17 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Slinky - Sad News Nina (and EVERYONE!), thank you soo much! It is so helpful to know that those doubts are normal and that it won't be an indication that I made the wrong decision. I honestly don't know how I would get through this time without all of you! MC and Barb have been absolutely amazing chatting with me online and helping me sort things out - thanks! And all of you, your words of encouragement and support mean so much to me! I know this is going to be near impossible and that it's going to hurt a lot...but somehow I'll manage to get through it. Thank you for sharing this journey with me and for lending me your strength! I've been telling Slink all about my other pets who are waiting for him at the Rainbow Bridge... and telling him that I'm gonna help him get rid of his tired weak body and feel wonderful again. I hope he'll carry a piece of my heart with me...and I know I'll have him in my heart forever. He'll always be my most precious kitty...the kitty of my heart. I truly don't think I understood the depths of love and responsibility I was capable of feeling until he came into my life. He has taught me S MUCH (which I'll write more about someday) and I will cherish those lessons always. I can only hope I've been able to show him the same depth of love, acceptance, and security he has shown me. Thank you again for being here with me. I've got less than 24 hours now to be with my precious baby, so I'm going to make the most of it. GLOW to you and your babies! MJ Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marissa, I'm so sorry. My eyes filled with tears when I read your news this morning. I had such high hopes for a miracle for you and your Slinky boy. I know you haven't come to this decision lightly and that the only reason you would even consider this is to spare him any unnecessary suffering. MC has a quote that has given me comfort, something about it being better to let them go a day too soon than an hour too late. I have been on both sides of this terrible coin; waiting with hope only to have them suffer, and living afterward with the fear that I made the decision to help them cross too soon. No matter what we do in these circumstances we may be plagued by the possibility that we did the wrong thing, (the dreaded what ifs). I just wanted to let you know that I understand, and that I don't believe that it is possible to do the wrong thing when these hard decisions are made from our hearts. When we lose the hope of recovery, then letting them go is the last gift of love we can bestow on them. The last act of protection we can provide. I had such terrible regrets when I helped my Jazzy cross, but in the weeks that followed I found myself replacing my self-recriminations with acceptance. Even if I hadn't made the decision I did, she most likely would have been gone by then. Finally, I was able to forgive myself, not so much for the decisions I made, but for not being able to control the circumstances of our time together. I was able to forgive myself for not being able to save her. At least I can know that because I made the decision I did, when I did, her suffering was not prolonged. I know that she knows I will always love her, that I'm grateful for the time she graced my life and that no matter how many tears I shed, I will never be sorry I took her in. I can rest easier knowing that my sweet bottle baby, whom I had protected and nurtured from the time I became her surrogate mom, never had a moment of fear or want. Not even at the end of her all too short life. I'm glad that you've made it possible to spend this time in Slinky's company. With how hard you've both fought, with all you and your family have done for your darling Slink, I'm praying that you will be spared the torture of any what ifs. Hold that angel close and know that he has worked his way into all our hearts. Much love to you, Nina Marissa Johnson wrote: Thanks for that reminder Phaewryn. I've actually been able to postpone tomorrow's meeting (my boss had asked if I wanted to this morning because I've been sick, but like a dope I said I'd be okay!...but I was able to call everyone and tell them we're postponing it. I think it's for the best all the way around). So I've made the appointment for tomorrow evening at 6:40 - the last appointment of the day - and have found a friend to go with me. I can't believe I'm doing this. It seems so...FINAL. And I guess it is, but...wow. I know it's what's best but that
Re: Vet wants to put Midnight down?
At 04:19 PM 3/26/2007, you wrote: do not think so Well, the latest food has been Purina Cat Chow. I didn't check on it because he eats dry food. I haven't even followed the recall since I heard it is in wet food. Should I worry? Nina wrote: I feel almost foolish asking such an obvious question right now, but what has Midnight been eating?? You must have considered the possibility that he's been eating tainted Menu Foods products by now, right? Nina Jennifer Madon wrote: Midnight is a stray that found us about 3 months ago. Best guess by Dr is that he is about 11 or 12 months old. So he is not elderly at all. I will try to change the litter type but the pee isn't the big issue. That is what took us to the Dr. but the renal failure is what brought me to this group. I just don't want this boy to suffer. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.413 / Virus Database: 268.18.17/732 - Release Date: 3/24/2007
Re: Fred Update
No, I don't think that would be too strong (It's not a very toxic drug, and you can give up to 10 MG per pound, according to some online sources I searched), but if you dissolve the tablet in some broth or water (or tuna juice), if you use a 1 CC syringe, and squirt exactly 5 syringes worth of your chosen fluid into the pill powder (grind the pill with a mortar and pestle until it's a fine powder), then shake well before each use, and draw up one syringe full, it would be a 50 MG dose (5 doses per pill). That's how I do it here where I have 10 -15 pound cats, generally speaking. Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources
Re: Stamp
Weeds? Your neighbors should count themselves lucky, we still have 5 foot high snowbanks here! I'd take weeds anyday, I'm sick of winter! It sounds like he's uncomfortable, too bad they were unable to drain any fluid off. If they have ultrasound, that would help guide the aspiration needle to the fluid pocket (or verify if there is fluid, and not a tumor). FIP is hard to diagnose. We've had several long discussions on it on this list, do search the archives for FIP, you will find a ton of info. My thoughts are with you, I'll send him peaceful thoughts of comfort. Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources
Re: Vet wants to put Midnight down?
Jennifer, What are Midnight's numbers, in particular these: Creatinine, BUN, Potassium, Phosphorus, HCT or PVC. My Fred is a kidney failure cat and there are different stages, with daily fluids, phosphorus binders and potassium supplements Fred's gotten better. Now if we can just get rid of this infection we'd be AOK!! I really take offense at what your vet suggested, is Midnight not eating, vomiting, does he have no interest in life? Why would your vet make such a suggestion? Many CRF (Chronic Renal Failure) kitties do very well with treatment. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: Vet wants to put Midnight down?
PS. He probably isn't getting the right antibiotic, what is he getting and why is he getting them? -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: Vet wants to put Midnight down?
There is plenty you can do for kitties with CRF, diet, fluids and supplements for low potassium (most CRF kitties will eventually get low because they lose so much through their urine), aluminum phosphorus binders, because they will eventually have their phosphorus build up. Some kitties get pepcid for vomiting, some CRF kitties get tummy acid, epogen when their kidneys can no longer produce erythropoietin on their own. Theres more but these are just the thing we are dealing with or will be dealing with in the near future. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: Vet wants to put Midnight down?
At 10:45 PM 3/26/2007, you wrote: I always added potassium to the fluid and used phosphorus binders,,,He had a great 3 more years and he was over 20 Kelly There is plenty you can do for kitties with CRF, diet, fluids and supplements for low potassium (most CRF kitties will eventually get low because they lose so much through their urine), aluminum phosphorus binders, because they will eventually have their phosphorus build up. Some kitties get pepcid for vomiting, some CRF kitties get tummy acid, epogen when their kidneys can no longer produce erythropoietin on their own. Theres more but these are just the thing we are dealing with or will be dealing with in the near future. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.413 / Virus Database: 268.18.17/732 - Release Date: 3/24/2007
RE: Auto Immune Hemolytic Anemia - to Kelley
Dear Kelley, Nina wrote to me off list and I wanted to respond to you as I am going through a very very situation with my FIV boy Felix - I do wanted to find out more from you about the diagnosis of AIHA of Joey - did they run coombs test to determine the illness of AIHA? Is he regenerative anemia? Epgoen may help only if anemia is non regenerative - my Ayumi is non regenerative anemia and we don't know why - it could be from severe stomatitis - anyway, she Is not CRF kitty, but epogen seems to have helped her as she is maintaining low 20's o PCV for now.. On the other hand, my Felix is highly regenerative, but his body seems to attack his RBC - usually it goes down below 10 - he has had his 4th transfusion on Saturday - fortunately he has not had any reactions from it. My recommendation is that.. if it goes down lower and get weaker, especially, if he will have hard time breathing, which will happen if his PCV goes down further, I recommend that you do transfusion - even with hermobartnella kitties, often times, they have to get multiple transfusion until the med start working - but at least it will buy you some time meantime..Felix is on steroid and on doxy as well.. I am still waiting for his Hemobartenella PCR result (takes about one week form Idexx) - I will continue to do transfusions as long as I can afford it and he does not develop reactions - he feels so much better after his transfusions - There is a page as to how to treat AIHA in case hyou have not read it - I will forward it to you, as the suggest other drugs if they don't respond to steroid - I am considering using for my Felix as well. You also may wan to ask your vet if you can get oxygen tank in case he will have a hard time breathing.. I have used for my cats at home and have it here all the time, and it has come so handy, especially a kitty with severe anemia. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 6:11 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Auto Immune Hemolytic Anemia Thanks Wendy, It is VERY scary. I did not ask him about Epogen. I asked him about transfusions. He said that they are no longer recommended becuase those red blood cells get attacked too, but he would do one for me if I wanted. Right now, for a sick cat, Joey is acting pretty good. He grooms a little, and lies on his tummy with his head up, instead of on his side with his head laying on the floor. He is quite feisty with me when I give him his meds, too. He is able to walk on his own to the food and water dish. If he makes it he will probably have to be on steroids for life to keep it from coming back. On 3/21/07, wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Kelley, I'm so sorry about Joey's prognosis. Anemia is so scary. I did a little research and humans with AIHA use Epogen. Did your vet say whether Epogen would help Joey? :) Wendy --- Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, Joey, an owner surrendered cat I took in last month, has been diagnosed with Auto Immune Hemolytic Anemia. I'm really concerned about him. I feel bad because I think I should have noticed something sooner. What information can yall give me about this disease? It is my understanding this disease is more common in FELV+ cats. Thanks, -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Don't get soaked. Take a quick peek at the forecast with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia
RE: Auto Immune Hemolytic Anemia - Kelley
Sorry, Kelley - I am re-reading this email so you won't have to answer the questions already answered here - but I need to find out more about the blood work if you have it - glob seems to be very high...his a/g ration must be low - how about his bilburin values? If you have it, can you email it to me? Did they run corona titer test? - I don't mean to scare you but did the vet suggest any possibilities of FIP with Joey? How old is he? Is he less than 2 years old? I wanted to look at the entire blood result if you have it -- is he on FOI? _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 4:12 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Auto Immune Hemolytic Anemia He did a cbc. wbc 21.5, mono 1.85, neu 18.44, hct 15.3, rbc 3.23, hgb 8.5, rdw 22.3, mch 26.36, plt 731, amyl 1743, bun 48, glob 7.5, tp 10.1 He did not do a coombs test. This is s difficult for me, but his is a 10 year old rescue/foster cat with a life-threatening disease. My bill today was $244. I am going to treat him as aggressively as I can, but this could easily cost me $2,000 without the coombs test. He goes back next Monday for another CBC. I cannot spend all my money on this one cat, because if a different one becomes sick after this and I spend all my money on Joey and he dies:( I wont' have any money to treat the cat I could save. He is on 20 mg of prednisolone a day and doxycycline. He fought me hard to get the pills down so maybe he will do better than I fear. His prognosis is guarded:( On 3/21/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How did you confirm the diagnosis? Is it with coombs test? _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marylyn Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 2:48 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Auto Immune Hemolytic Anemia My beautiful Mai Mai had this awful condition. Her vets were wonderful but the steroids took their toll. However, my alternative vet was very helpful and able to get the condition under control for a pretty good length of time. You might investigate this avenue. Mai Mai left this world over 5 years ago and treatments may well have improved. Good luck and blessings to you. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 10:57 AM Subject: Re: Auto Immune Hemolytic Anemia I've never had or dealt w/ [that I can remember now anyway.] a cat w/ this disease... But I DO remember when my first Rottie was diagnosed with it.. What had me concerned was his lethargy, not common for him. Just laying around, sleeping alot. So, I took him to my vet. Was devastated when I got results!!! Mind you, I WAS thinking positive, after all, he was my baby. It's a nasty disease.. (Very prevalent for his breed as I learned doing my research) We tried everything as it progressed... PCV's every three days, transfusions, epoeitin [sp?], an oncologist, chemo (THREE diff. prescriptions!), etc., etc. Needless to say, and I'm sorry, but after TOO long, I finally had my boy PTS.. He could no longer walk, even get up. And, the chemo drugs made him so sick. He couldn't even eat on his own, something he LOVED to do!!! I ended up hand-feeding him. He developed ulcerations in his mouth because of all he had to take. It got to the point where I was hand-feeding him a diet of cottage cheese (NOT a great diet for a big boy..) In the end, my former big boy weighed only around 60 lbs. (And I do remember my vet always getting on me about his weight) It broke my heart, but I'm even more heartbroken about all I put him through. I did it for me - I didn't want to lose him. But, after all I put him thru, I did lose him. We humans can be so selfish. After losing Bear [in a HORRIBLE way- treatment was probably worse than the disease!], I made a promise to ALL my babies, I would never let them suffer. Found out, the hard way, that in loving the most important thing is knowing when to let go.. Sorry this wasn't about Feline AIHA, but I just had to share what I know [sadly, only TOO well] about the disease. Best wishes for your baby. Hugs, Patti her gang (Which DOES include another Rottie!) _
RE: Auto Immune Hemolytic Anemia - Kelley
Again, I am sorry, I asked the same questions you already answered here - I am a bit stressed out with mjy current situations, please forgive me - now he is over 10 years old.. the possibility fo FIP goes down significantly.. now I am thinking does he have severe stomatitis by any chance? My ayumi's PCV is very low, and she is on epogen and it's working on her and she has non regenerative anemia - her glob is high due to stomatitis- is he on epogen already? _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo Yamamoto Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 12:05 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Auto Immune Hemolytic Anemia - Kelley Sorry, Kelley - I am re-reading this email so you won't have to answer the questions already answered here - but I need to find out more about the blood work if you have it - glob seems to be very high...his a/g ration must be low - how about his bilburin values? If you have it, can you email it to me? Did they run corona titer test? - I don't mean to scare you but did the vet suggest any possibilities of FIP with Joey? How old is he? Is he less than 2 years old? I wanted to look at the entire blood result if you have it -- is he on FOI? _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 4:12 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Auto Immune Hemolytic Anemia He did a cbc. wbc 21.5, mono 1.85, neu 18.44, hct 15.3, rbc 3.23, hgb 8.5, rdw 22.3, mch 26.36, plt 731, amyl 1743, bun 48, glob 7.5, tp 10.1 He did not do a coombs test. This is s difficult for me, but his is a 10 year old rescue/foster cat with a life-threatening disease. My bill today was $244. I am going to treat him as aggressively as I can, but this could easily cost me $2,000 without the coombs test. He goes back next Monday for another CBC. I cannot spend all my money on this one cat, because if a different one becomes sick after this and I spend all my money on Joey and he dies:( I wont' have any money to treat the cat I could save. He is on 20 mg of prednisolone a day and doxycycline. He fought me hard to get the pills down so maybe he will do better than I fear. His prognosis is guarded:( On 3/21/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How did you confirm the diagnosis? Is it with coombs test? _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marylyn Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 2:48 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Auto Immune Hemolytic Anemia My beautiful Mai Mai had this awful condition. Her vets were wonderful but the steroids took their toll. However, my alternative vet was very helpful and able to get the condition under control for a pretty good length of time. You might investigate this avenue. Mai Mai left this world over 5 years ago and treatments may well have improved. Good luck and blessings to you. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 10:57 AM Subject: Re: Auto Immune Hemolytic Anemia I've never had or dealt w/ [that I can remember now anyway.] a cat w/ this disease... But I DO remember when my first Rottie was diagnosed with it.. What had me concerned was his lethargy, not common for him. Just laying around, sleeping alot. So, I took him to my vet. Was devastated when I got results!!! Mind you, I WAS thinking positive, after all, he was my baby. It's a nasty disease.. (Very prevalent for his breed as I learned doing my research) We tried everything as it progressed... PCV's every three days, transfusions, epoeitin [sp?], an oncologist, chemo (THREE diff. prescriptions!), etc., etc. Needless to say, and I'm sorry, but after TOO long, I finally had my boy PTS.. He could no longer walk, even get up. And, the chemo drugs made him so sick. He couldn't even eat on his own, something he LOVED to do!!! I ended up hand-feeding him. He developed ulcerations in his mouth because of all he had to take. It got to the point where I was hand-feeding him a diet of cottage cheese (NOT a great diet for a big boy..) In the end, my former big boy weighed only around 60 lbs. (And I do remember my vet always getting on me about his weight) It broke my heart, but I'm even more heartbroken about all I put him through.
