Re: Hannibal departed to his new wonderful life... - thank you for allyour prayers.

[gwork]

Hideyo,
 In my own 
words, I understand your feelings over things you wish you had/hadn't done and 
holding yourself responsible. You would not be able to be the wonderful, 
caring person you are without a sense of responsbility. I feel so badly 
for you that you have had to say 'goodbye'. But the others are right in that you 
gave Hannibal so much more than he would've had otherwise, and above all else, 
he knew you loved him greatly (the most important above all) and he knows that 
any mistakes you may have made were not intentional and that you did the best 
you could. He loved, you, too, for the unselfish care you gave him. 
You can be sure that you will always be in his heart as well.

Krishttp://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Hideyo Yamamoto 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  ; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 12:21 
  PM
  Subject: Hannibal departed to his new 
  wonderful life... - thank you for allyour prayers.
  
  
  Hi, everyone, I first wanted to 
  thank you all for all the prayers and encouragement and support for Hannibal – a little less 
  than 24 hours ago, he passed away – he stopped breathing in my arms.. I wish 
  he was at home but unfortunately we were at the vet and he was getting IV 
  fluid… I was with him the whole time..I really did not expect him to cross the 
  bridge yesterday.. I just wanted to make him feel better and I thought that IV 
  would have helped him.. and now I think about it, I am so sure that putting 
  him on IV did shorten his life after all.. as always,, I have so many regrets 
  for things I wish I had done, I had known.. or I wish I had not done.. if I 
  had known as much as I do now.. I would have made Hannibal’s life so much better and longer…..I am so sorry 
  for Hannibal 
  not knowing any better… but I hope I can contribute my learning experience to 
  any other kitties out there who are fighting against CRF… Hannibal was and is such 
  a fighter.. he was the very first feral I rescued in U.S. and 
  I have known him over 10 years… I feel so fortunate to have met him and feel 
  honored to have met and feel privileged to have had the opportunity to take 
  care of him.. I wish I had done a better job, Hannibal… and I am so sorry that I did not 
  pay attention well enough and took your sight way.. I know it was struggle for 
  you…… but one thing for sure.. I have loved him so very much.. I loved him 
  like there is no tomorrow….and I always will… 
  
  We celebrated his departure to his 
  new life with all other kitties last night.. we all miss him.. I am so very 
  much going to miss holding him.. and seeing places that I used to see.. but I 
  also know that his soul will continue to live with me.. and is still around…I 
  am still feeling numb and shock.. but I wanted to thank everyone for all the 
  prayers.
  
  I also wanted to thank Helen and 
  her website on CRF support ---I have learned so much from … I know for sure 
  that without the information,, I couldn’t have taken care of him as well as I 
  did….
  
  Hideyo and Hannibal, my little 
  precious hero…

Re: Hannibal departed to his new wonderful life... - thank youforallyour prayers.

[gwork]

I know...my heart aches over the 
feeling I know you have in your heart. I pray it will ease for you as time 
goes on.

Krishttp://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Hideyo Yamamoto 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 7:57 
PM
  Subject: RE: Hannibal departed to his new 
  wonderful life... - thank youforallyour prayers.
  
  
  Thank you very much, 
  Kris for your kind words.. I just know that he suffered very much fat the very 
  last minute of his life.. and I regret it more than anything else…he had a 
  hard time breathing… I cannot forget about his face.. and I so blame it for 
  myself.. I know there is nothing I can do to bring him back… 
  
  
  
  
  
  
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of gworkSent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 5:16 
  PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Hannibal departed to his 
  new wonderful life... - thank you forallyour 
  prayers.
  
  
  Hideyo,
  
   
  In my own words, I understand your feelings over things you wish you 
  had/hadn't done and holding yourself responsible. You would not be able 
  to be the wonderful, caring person you are without a sense of 
  responsbility. I feel so badly for you that you have had to say 
  'goodbye'. But the others are right in that you gave Hannibal so much more 
  than he would've had otherwise, and above all else, he knew you loved him 
  greatly (the most important above all) and he knows that any mistakes you may 
  have made were not intentional and that you did the best you could. He 
  loved, you, too, for the unselfish care you gave him. You can be sure 
  that you will always be in his heart as 
  well.
  
  
  
  Krishttp://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com
  

- Original Message - 


From: Hideyo Yamamoto 


To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
; [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 


Sent: 
Tuesday, June 27, 2006 12:21 PM

Subject: 
Hannibal 
departed to his new wonderful life... - thank you for allyour 
prayers.


Hi, everyone, I first wanted to 
thank you all for all the prayers and encouragement and support for 
Hannibal – a 
little less than 24 hours ago, he passed away – he stopped breathing in my 
arms.. I wish he was at home but unfortunately we were at the vet and he was 
getting IV fluid… I was with him the whole time..I really did not expect him 
to cross the bridge yesterday.. I just wanted to make him feel better and I 
thought that IV would have helped him.. and now I think about it, I am so 
sure that putting him on IV did shorten his life after all.. as always,, I 
have so many regrets for things I wish I had done, I had known.. or I wish I 
had not done.. if I had known as much as I do now.. I would have made 
Hannibal’s life so much better and longer…..I 
am so sorry for Hannibal not knowing any better… but I hope 
I can contribute my learning experience to any other kitties out there who 
are fighting against CRF… Hannibal was and is such a fighter.. he was 
the very first feral I rescued in U.S. and I have known him 
over 10 years… I feel so fortunate to have met him and feel honored to have 
met and feel privileged to have had the opportunity to take care of him.. I 
wish I had done a better job, Hannibal… and I am so sorry that I did not 
pay attention well enough and took your sight way.. I know it was struggle 
for you…… but one thing for sure.. I have loved him so very much.. I loved 
him like there is no tomorrow….and I always will… 


We celebrated his departure to 
his new life with all other kitties last night.. we all miss him.. I am so 
very much going to miss holding him.. and seeing places that I used to see.. 
but I also know that his soul will continue to live with me.. and is still 
around…I am still feeling numb and shock.. but I wanted to thank everyone 
for all the prayers.

I also wanted to thank Helen and 
her website on CRF support ---I have learned so much from … I know for sure 
that without the information,, I couldn’t have taken care of him as well as 
I did….

Hideyo and Hannibal, my little 
precious 
hero…

(no subject)

[gwork]

I am expecting to be quite busy for a 
while, so am going on hiatus for now. Everyone take care.

Krishttp://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com

Re: Everybody's talent

[gwork]

will do!

Krishttp://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Gina 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 1:43 AM
  Subject: Re: Everybody's talent
  
  I would definately like to havea copy when it is ready. Let 
  me know :)
  
  Gina
  gwork [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  



I decided to record it onto CD 
first as my stepson has the equipment, so we finally did that 
yesterday. Have to go back and re-record a few screw-ups, 
though!! It ended up being 85 min. long, and I did it all in one 
sitting! So after we touch-up, I would like to see about adding some 
background music and I have to learn how to make CD covers and 
inserts. Happy to send you, or anyone else on the list,one for 
free when it's done, if you would like. I'm going to add a PayPal on 
the site so that it will be available that way, and then I'm going to try 
some of my step-brother's ideas!! Then I may still put it in book form 
if there seems to be any demand for it. Thanks for asking and thanks 
for posting a link!

Krishttp://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Gina 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 2:19 
  PM
  Subject: Re: Everybody's talent
  
  I put a link to both your websites on my cats' site. Kris, I 
  have just started reading your Blog. I am up to May 09. Are 
  you in the process of publishing your book? How is that going?
  
  Ginagwork [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  I 
just got to look at Bailey's website - I think it is so nice that you do 
a site for him, and I'm glad to know others are using the 'net this 
way, as I am, to tell their stories and save other pets from early 
fates. And you're right - they're cute from any angle!! :) If you 
don't mind, I am going to put a link on my site for Spaz to yours. I 
will also send her story and a few pics to your site when I get some 
more time. Thanks for the offer!! I would like to change Spaz's all 
around so that I can have other people's stories as well, among 
other things. It was the first and only website I've ever done, so 
there's a lot to 
learn!Krishttp://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com- 
Original Message - From: "Belinda" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: <FELVTALK@FELINELEUKEMIA.ORG>Sent: 
Thursday, June 22, 2006 9:30 AMSubject: Re: Everybody's 
talent Hubby works his behind off so I can be home with 
the furkids all day  and do free websites for animal rescues. 
Mostly customizing their  petfinder sites, I also do a website 
for one of my yahoo talk groups. A  few of my animal rescue 
clients have their own domains and I design and  maintain their 
websites also. I have a few paying clients and own and run  a 
small web hosting company. I don't really make any money but I break 
 even on the hosting company so that's all that 
matters. I work with about 30 rescue groups, thank 
goodness they don't all update  on a regular basis or I'd be in 
big trouble, as it is I'm so far behind  now with the website 
updating that it's really hard to keep up and it's  going to 
take me awhile to get caught up if I ever do. Looking for a  
hobby??!! I'm working on a new site that is dedicated to 
Bailey my sweet positive  that I lost in May. I haven't really 
had time lately to do much with it.  If anyone would like to 
contribute an article or some good links for info,  please send 
them, Or if you'd like to send your positives story/stories  and 
photos I would really love it (there's a form right on the site where 
 you can submit your story and photos)!! 
FeLVPositiveFelines.org 
http://FeLVPositiveFelines.org Well back to work 
... --  Belinda 
happiness is being owned by cats ... 
Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post 
Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens 
http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight 
Service http://bemikitties.com/cls 
HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting  web design] 
http://HostDesign4U.com  BMK 
Designs [non-profit animals websites] 
http://bmk.bemikitties.com 
  
  No heaven wil not ever Heaven be Unless my cats are 
  there to welcome me.--epitaph in a pet cemetery
  
  
  Tiggertales ~ a site about our beloved 
  felines 
  
  
  
  
  Do you Yahoo!?Get on board. You're 
  invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail 
  Beta.
  No heaven wil not ever Heaven be Unless my cats are there to 
  welcome me.--epitaph in a pet cemetery
  
  
  Tiggerta

Re: Wowie

[gwork]

All I can tell you is about my experiences w/ Spaz.  Her PCV was down to 7% 
(anemia) when I got the diagnosis, and she was eight years old.  She would 
not eat, drink, or move.  Her bilirubin was high also.  The vet was quite 
scared for her.  He gave her a PREDNISOLONE injection and within 12 hours I 
had a completely different cat on my hands.  A few years later, when she had 
another round with severe anemia, our new vet (we had moved) tried 
Depo-Medrol, and though three vets said it should do the same as 
prednisolone, it did NOT.  It did not help any whatsoever.  I have no idea 
why.  I insisted on a prednisolone injection, and she is alive, healthy, and 
happy more than 2 years later at the age of almost 14 (not to say we haven't 
had some other issues, but only one major - a URI).  But at the time, all 
the doctors thought she would not make it.  I will let the others tell you 
about all the other drugs, etc.  that can aid your kitty as they have more 
experience than I do with them.  But I will tell you, at least in my 
experience, that it ain't over 'til it's over!!  Best wishes to you and 
Wowie.


Kris
http://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com
- Original Message - 
From: veggiepugs [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 2:11 PM
Subject: Wowie



Hi All-
I had written a few days ago to ask about teeth. I took Wowie to the vet 
yesterday and he is not eating but not beacuse of his teeth. He is not 
well and in fact, his health has taken a turn for the worst. The prognosis 
is not good and neither is my state of mind. I have to make a decision 
this week. His blood work came back showing he is anemic, his bilirubin 
levels are high, his RBC count is also high, WBC count is low. She said he 
doesn't have much time. She also said she believes he is younger than the 
5 years that most vets had estimated. She gave me steriods to try and get 
him to eat and clavimox. I don't know what to say. I'm at a loss. Though I 
knew this day would come when I took him in just 7 months ago, it could 
still never be easy.

Thanks for listening.
Rebecca

Re: Wowie

[gwork]

I forgot also that one time when Spaz had a minor bout with anemia, the new 
vet had just dispensed up pred. tablets.  Personally, I would not go that 
route, especially with severe anemia.  Need a strong injection to get 
jump-started, then pills for maintenance and weaning.


Kris
http://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com
- Original Message - 
From: veggiepugs [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 2:11 PM
Subject: Wowie



Hi All-
I had written a few days ago to ask about teeth. I took Wowie to the vet 
yesterday and he is not eating but not beacuse of his teeth. He is not 
well and in fact, his health has taken a turn for the worst. The prognosis 
is not good and neither is my state of mind. I have to make a decision 
this week. His blood work came back showing he is anemic, his bilirubin 
levels are high, his RBC count is also high, WBC count is low. She said he 
doesn't have much time. She also said she believes he is younger than the 
5 years that most vets had estimated. She gave me steriods to try and get 
him to eat and clavimox. I don't know what to say. I'm at a loss. Though I 
knew this day would come when I took him in just 7 months ago, it could 
still never be easy.

Thanks for listening.
Rebecca

to Wendy re: kitty handbook

[gwork]

Wendy, I hate to ask this, but could 
you please resend the handbook? We had a virus or something in the 
computer and it deleted all our inbox and email to keep, which is where I had 
the manual. I would've printed it, but unfortunately, both of our printers 
have broken. Not good luck in the computer realm lately :( Got to go 
get a new printer soon! Thanks so much!

Krishttp://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com

to Gina

[gwork]

Just saw your comment on the Spaz's 
blog - thanks!!

Krishttp://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com

Re: Everybody's talent

[gwork]

I just got to look at Bailey's website - I think it is so nice that you do a 
site for him, and I'm glad to know others are using the 'net this way, as I 
am, to tell their stories and save other pets from early fates.  And you're 
right - they're cute from any angle!!  :)  If you don't mind, I am going to 
put a link on my site for Spaz to yours.  I will also send her story and a 
few pics to your site when I get some more time.  Thanks for the offer!!  I 
would like to change Spaz's all around so that I can have other people's 
stories as well, among other things.  It was the first and only website I've 
ever done, so there's a lot to learn!


Kris
http://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com

- Original Message - 
From: Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 9:30 AM
Subject: Re: Everybody's talent


Hubby works his behind off so I can be home with the furkids all day 
and do free websites for animal rescues.  Mostly customizing their 
petfinder sites, I also do a website for one of my yahoo talk groups.  A 
few of my animal rescue clients have their own domains and I design and 
maintain their websites also.  I have a few paying clients and own and run 
a small web hosting company.  I don't really make any money but I break 
even on the hosting company so that's all that matters.


I work with about 30 rescue groups, thank goodness they don't all update 
on a regular basis or I'd be in big trouble, as it is I'm so far behind 
now with the website updating that it's really hard to keep up and it's 
going to take me awhile to get caught up if I ever do.  Looking for a 
hobby??!!


I'm working on a new site that is dedicated to Bailey my sweet positive 
that I lost in May.  I haven't really had time lately to do much with it. 
If anyone would like to contribute an article or some good links for info, 
please send them,  Or if you'd like to send your positives story/stories 
and photos I would really love it (there's a form right on the site where 
you can submit your story and photos)!!


FeLVPositiveFelines.org
http://FeLVPositiveFelines.org

Well back to work ...


--

Belinda
happiness is being owned by cats ...

Be-Mi-Kitties
http://bemikitties.com

Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens
http://adopt.bemikitties.com

FeLV Candlelight Service
http://bemikitties.com/cls

HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting  web design]
http://HostDesign4U.com



BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites]
http://bmk.bemikitties.com

Re: Everybody's talent

[gwork]

I decided to record it onto CD first 
as my stepson has the equipment, so we finally did that yesterday. Have to 
go back and re-record a few screw-ups, though!! It ended up being 85 min. 
long, and I did it all in one sitting! So after we touch-up, I would like 
to see about adding some background music and I have to learn how to make CD 
covers and inserts. Happy to send you, or anyone else on the 
list,one for free when it's done, if you would like. I'm going to 
add a PayPal on the site so that it will be available that way, and then I'm 
going to try some of my step-brother's ideas!! Then I may still put it in 
book form if there seems to be any demand for it. Thanks for asking and 
thanks for posting a link!

Krishttp://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Gina 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 2:19 PM
  Subject: Re: Everybody's talent
  
  I put a link to both your websites on my cats' site. Kris, I have 
  just started reading your Blog. I am up to May 09. Are you in the 
  process of publishing your book? How is that going?
  
  Ginagwork [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  I 
just got to look at Bailey's website - I think it is so nice that you do a 
site for him, and I'm glad to know others are using the 'net this way, 
as I am, to tell their stories and save other pets from early fates. And 
you're right - they're cute from any angle!! :) If you don't mind, I am 
going to put a link on my site for Spaz to yours. I will also send her 
story and a few pics to your site when I get some more time. Thanks for 
the offer!! I would like to change Spaz's all around so that I can have 
other people's stories as well, among other things. It was the first and 
only website I've ever done, so there's a lot to 
learn!Krishttp://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com- 
Original Message - From: "Belinda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: 
Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 9:30 
AMSubject: Re: Everybody's talent Hubby works his behind 
off so I can be home with the furkids all day  and do free websites 
for animal rescues. Mostly customizing their  petfinder sites, I 
also do a website for one of my yahoo talk groups. A  few of my 
animal rescue clients have their own domains and I design and  
maintain their websites also. I have a few paying clients and own and run 
 a small web hosting company. I don't really make any money but I 
break  even on the hosting company so that's all that 
matters. I work with about 30 rescue groups, thank goodness 
they don't all update  on a regular basis or I'd be in big trouble, 
as it is I'm so far behind  now with the website updating that it's 
really hard to keep up and it's  going to take me awhile to get 
caught up if I ever do. Looking for a  hobby??!! I'm 
working on a new site that is dedicated to Bailey my sweet positive  
that I lost in May. I haven't really had time lately to do much with it. 
 If anyone would like to contribute an article or some good links 
for info,  please send them, Or if you'd like to send your positives 
story/stories  and photos I would really love it (there's a form 
right on the site where  you can submit your story and 
photos)!! FeLVPositiveFelines.org 
http://FeLVPositiveFelines.org Well back to work 
... --  Belinda happiness is 
being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties 
http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP 
Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV 
Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls 
HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting  web design] 
http://HostDesign4U.com  BMK 
Designs [non-profit animals websites] 
http://bmk.bemikitties.com 
  
  No heaven wil not ever Heaven be Unless my cats are there to 
  welcome me.--epitaph in a pet cemetery
  
  
  Tiggertales ~ a site about our beloved 
  felines 
  
  
  
  
  Do you Yahoo!?Get on board. You're 
  invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail Beta.

Re: How is Shakiti today? (plus MK update and questions - sorrywrote a book)

[gwork]

It is so nice to get 
the "good news" messages!!

Krishttp://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 1:54 PM
  Subject: Re: How is Shakiti today? (plus 
  MK update and questions - sorrywrote a book)
  
  
  Shakiti is doing very well today. He slept with me last night 
  instead of under the bed. He hasn't gotten sick - and last night when I 
  called everybody for canned food, he came running with an appetite and he ate 
  on his own. I'm not surehe can handle dry food yet but I'm glad I 
  don't need to finger feed him anymore. He must be better because he is 
  tormenting Tiffany again - that's very much back to normal. 
  
  Shakititook his medicine like a champ this morning. I didn't 
  give him the pill for the tummy ache because he may not need it now - but if 
  he gets sick, I will. He's doing his turn at neighborhood watch in the 
  front window and watching cat TV (the bird feeders).
  
  Mama Kitty is fantastic. She's been out front stalking a beetle and 
  pouncing on things I can't even see. My neighbor came by (total cat 
  person)and said she thinks that Mama Kitty looks better and feels better 
  than she did before she ever got sick. Her coat is nice and shiny and 
  she's so alert that she'sthree steps ahead of everything going on in her 
  world. When you call her - she comes running with her tail straight up 
  in the air. A lot of her success is due to the fact that I learned here 
  that there truly is hope for kitties with feline leukemia.She 
  sends everybody head butts.
  
  Othello goes in to be tested (and vaccinated)for FeVL next Friday 
  and I thinkthen we'll only have Alexisand Phelix left to go (plus, 
  I think I'm going to continue B12 shots for MK...will check to see if vet will 
  let me do that myself).
  
  Does anybody here do the pet insurance thing? Will it cover Feline 
  Leukemia if it's a pre-existing condition? If so - who do you use and 
  what do you think about it? I've spent over $1260 in vet bills the past 
  few months between getting treatments for Mama Kitty and tests/vaccines for 
  everybody else (plus a couple of dentals)- and it will be about $450 in 
  the next month or two to get everybody up to date. I'm not sure that's 
  any cheaper than the insurance would be for 8 cats. Too bad I can't 
  write this all off on my taxes.
  
  Also - would like to get your take on what is the best canned food. 
  I've been feeding fancy feast just because it is such a hit and because I can 
  get Mama Kitty to eat it when she won't eat anything else. I've tried 
  the Chicken Soup light formula canned food for the kids and they aren't crazy 
  about it. They really don't care for Authority either. Since these 
  issues with Mama Kitty though - I've been a lot more concerned about diet and 
  want to feed them the best I can find but it won't do me a bit of good if they 
  won't eat it. I'm not above getting sushi for them either LOL Who 
  needs money, right? It's not everything.
  
  
  grateful for every good day,
  elizabeth
  
  
  
  In a message dated 6/24/2006 4:37:10 P.M. Central Daylight Time, ETrent 
  writes:
  

He tried to take a few bites from the dried food buffet today but 
wasn't able to keep it down. I'm still giving him something for upset 
tummy and he's doing a good job of letting mommy feed him the a/d. He 
seems to be feeling good otherwise though and he's been a complete angel 
about taking his medicine.


In a message dated 6/24/2006 3:56:49 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hey 
  Elizabeth,How is Shakiti doing today? Is he eating on his 
  ownyet?:)Wendy__Do 
  You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam 
  protection around http://mail.yahoo.com 


  
  

(no subject)

[gwork]

I just recorded my Spaz story 
yesterday, and it has reminded me of a few things. I was wondering how 
common diabetes is in cats, and if any of you have experiences with it? I 
do not have any, but I would like to try to learn something ahead of time just 
in case. Hopefully, I will get the overweight ones to lose some weight 
with the new diet. I know a fair amount about human diabetes, since my 
husband is diabetic, but that could be different.

Also, since the last go-around with 
anemia, when I would try to open the windows/doors, always Spaz would begin 
sneezing, etc., as if having allergies. So Ithought it 
betterto stop this so as not to stress her immune system. Now, with 
the knowledge of these supplements, that may change, but I was wondering if 
anyone else has had anything like this happen?

Krishttp://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com

Re: Miss Kitty has gone to Rainbow Bridge

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I'm really sorry for theawful 
experiences you've had, but God bless you for being such a caring 
person!

Krishttp://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Tim Lyons 
  
  To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 8:50 PM
  Subject: Miss Kitty has gone to Rainbow 
  Bridge
  
  Hi 
  folks,
  
  I have only been 
  lurking on the list for the past year or so. Some of you may remember 
  me. I lost Cher, Midnight, Lisa and Suzy to the leukemia in a 6 month 
  period in 2004. Today, we came home to find their mother, Miss Kitty 
  dead. She had been having some kidney issues related to the leukemia, 
  but was responding to the medications. Just last night, she had caught a 
  small lizard. She was OK this morning. She ate her breakfast, 
  she's been scratching on her scratching pad and acting only a little 
  less than she would normally.
  
  This whole ride 
  with her and the kittens has been tough. It's our first experience with 
  FeLV and it's been HELL! I still wouldn't have put her  the kittens 
  to sleep when we rescued them in July 2003.I just couldn't do 
  it. Our vet recommended the same fate for Miss Kitty when we took her 
  there about a month ago when her kidney issues flaired.
  
  We gave her 3 
  years of life that she would not have had otherwise and I don't regret any of 
  it. She was a sweet, precious soul who didn't deserve the fate God 
  handed her. 
  
  May she rest 
  softly with her babies at Rainbow Bridge. Please add her to the 
  Candlelight Service for Monday.
  
  Thanks for being 
  there when I needed you all.
  
  Brenda 
  Lyons

Re: Question.

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I'm really sorry you had to go through this. It was 
probably the red, and he meant 7% packed cell volume (PCV). Just 
wondering, did the vet suggest any type of treatment or just euthanasia? 
Yes, the vaccination is not 100% effective all the time.

Kris
http://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 2:53 
  PM
  Subject: Question.
  
  I just put my 11 month old kitten to sleep yesterday because he was 
  infected. He had a(red or white) blood count 07 seven. I am not sure which 
  color the vet told me.
   But, I had him vaccinated twice for this. How 
  can they contract this if they have been vaccinated AGAINST it? I do not 
  understand!!
   Thanks, Rebecca 
Ryan

marketing ideas for Elizabeth

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Just wanted to share the ideas. 
My step-brother, Johnathan Rand, began writing children's stories back in 
'99. He started out by going around northern MI to gas stations, gift 
shops, restaurants and hotels and leaving his books without asking for $ up 
front. He would give them $1 for each that was sold, and take back the 
ones that didn't. They began selling, esp. to tourists, and by 2003, he 
had over a million books in print. Now he has over two, maybe even three, 
I'm not sure anymore! He outsells Harry Potter in MI. So if you 
every have the time and inclination, it might work for you, too!

Krishttp://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com

Re: Bandy is better

[gwork]

Awesome! I'm so happy for 
you.

Krishttp://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Kerry 
  Roach 
  To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 5:15 AM
  Subject: Bandy is better
  
  Well, I think Bandy has finally turned the corner after 10 awful days..I 
  don't want to jinx him as usually when I report something good...something 
  else happens..But I wanted you all to know..On Wed..I found him sitting up in 
  his bed for the first time in about 10 days..then about 5am on Thurs morning, 
  he was walking all over the room and followed me around...actually talking to 
  me which is always a good sign..The leg is still sore, but he is using it some 
  now and not dragging it around anymore..He has lost around a pound..he is down 
  to 7#2.5oz. so now I have to try to get him fattened up again..I guess the 
  1000cc of fluid that he has had in the last week is what kept him going...I 
  took him in on Thurs. for another adequan injection..so we are on hold for the 
  metacam for now..I give him torbutrol for pain if he needs it...his temp was 
  102.8, but that is where it has been for the last week so that is good for 
  him..I don't know if I mentioned this, but Tues. we put him on 2cc of 
  clindamycin twice a day which is a mega dose for a bone infection just in case 
  that is what was causing some of this..I have had one of those in the past and 
  they don't always show up on xray..I asked her if we could do this just in 
  case that was what was causing all this leg problem so I don't know if that is 
  what has made the difference or not..but it sure won't hurt..
  Anyway, I really appreciate you all being here as you always are during a 
  difficult time..you never know when you are going to need the info and it 
  always helps to have it on hand...You guys are the greatest!!
  Thanks again,
  Kerry, Bandy, Inky and Angels Buster, Lil Rascal and Snoopy
  
  
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Re: Shakiti Update

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This is definitely a possibility, but Spaz has twice gone for days without 
eating and not had a problem.  I did not know about syringe feeding until 
toward the end of the second time, when she finally started eating on her 
own.  I would definitely do the syringe feeding, but I just also wanted to 
get it out there that it is not inevitable to have problems from not eating. 
Also, it is a higher chance of fatty liver if the animal is overweight, or 
at least that's what I've been told.  Spaz is (unfortunately) pretty 
overweight.


Kris
http://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com
- Original Message - 
From: Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 8:06 AM
Subject: Re: Shakiti Update


  Cats can be in danger very quickly from not eating, please get some food 
into Shakiti.  Syringe feed if you have to.


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cats who don't like moist food

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I was just wondering if anyone has 
ever had a cat who doesn't like moist food of ANY kind?? I have two that 
don't like anything! Also, they don't like tuna, which I have heard of 
before. But I was just wondering whether anybody has experienced this, and 
if they ever found a moist food that was liked, or also if they tried raw and 
whether the finicky ones liked that?

Krishttp://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com

Re: (no subject)

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Sorry I'm so late responding to this 
- phenylalanine is not listed on the bag but if you look on the website, it is 
listed as an ingredient. I believe I have also now read that this is 
necessary or produced in the body, too, so it must be toxic at certain 
levels. I have yet to finish researching that. I suspect maybe the 
amount in the food is so little that it is acceptable.

I understand now about the wet food 
protein ratio.

Thanks to everybody for their 
help!
Kris
http://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 12:26 
AM
  Subject: Re: (no subject)
  
  They both make wet foods too, try that petfooddirect.com website I 
  posted, they show all their wet foods too (I believe I posted direct links to 
  the wet varieties for each brand I listed). I'm reading my bag of California 
  natural right now, it does NOT have phenyalanine in it, unless it's under the 
  guise of "natural flavors". I think that out of all the wet brands I read 
  doing the research for you that the Innova Evo was the highest protein wet cat 
  food available.
  
  I'm not the local expert on wet and raw diets for this group.. I'm sure 
  one of them will join in and tell us why wet/raw is better due to the 
  increased liquid and how the protein ratios work out, but I am fairly sure 
  that it's the same in the end because the cats on "wet" diets drink less water 
  so the protein they eat doesn't get "diluted" much with extra water, where-as 
  cats on dry diets drink a ton more water, so the protein in the food they eat 
  gets well diluted down to the same difference as what's in wet food... that's 
  the only logical explanation as to why wet cat food is so much lower in 
  protein. Someone here MUST know that for sure though
  
  I guess I'm used to living out in the country, I order most everything 
  online. My food I can buy at my vet's office, but all supplies and supplements 
  I buy at fostersmith.com.
  Phaewryn
  
  PLEASE Adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!!http://ucat.us/adopt.html 
  
  DONATE: We could really use a power saw (for construction), a digital 
  camera (for pictures) and HOMES for CATS! 
  
  

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Re: Emily needs to find a home

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Did Emily ever get taken care 
of??

Krishttp://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Rachel 
  To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 1:06 PM
  Subject: Emily needs to find a home
  
  I am desperate. I took in a leukemia positive named Emily and I am 
  forced to find her a new home. I have to move back to my mother's house 
  and cannot bring her with me. I am frantic. I never would have 
  imagined that I would need to give her up.
  
  She is a black  grey tabby. Extremely sweet, affectionate 
   talkative. She has been around dogs and other cats and does well 
  with them.
  
  She is located in Northwest New Jersey (Warren County - near 
  Hackettstown, zip 07840) and I am willing to transport darn near anywhere East 
  of the Mississippi. West of there, I would need some help in 
  transporting.
  
  
  
  
  
  
  Rachel
  
  "Folk will know how large your soul is by the way you treat a 
  dog" C. Doran
  
  
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Re: Shakiti Update

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I agree - I just didn't want her to think that absolutely, without a doubt, 
if she is for some reason unable to get food into him, that he will be in 
serious trouble and utterly panic.  Kind of along the lines of that panic 
thing we are dissatisfied with the vet community about.  At least to me, 
anyway.  I am fortunate that my vets did warn me about it, but one almost 
went ballistic and scared me panic-like, and, in my opinion, unnecessarily. 
But like I said, I would definitely do the syringe feeding.  Like you said, 
no sense in taking any unnecessary risk.


Kris
http://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com
- Original Message - 
From: Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 12:12 PM
Subject: Re: Shakiti Update



 but Spaz has twice gone for days without eating and not had a
problem  

This is true, I too have had sick cats that didn't want to eat much, but 
they were eating something and they were fine.  Every cat is different and 
you never know which category your cat is going to fall into.  It is 
absolutely a fact that some cats will be direly sick after not eating for 
only 2 days, so to me the risk isn't worth the possibility.   And it is 
amazing how many vets don't warn people about this!!


--

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Re: cats who don't like moist food

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Yeah, I have few overweight, too, and that's why I'm trying to switch more 
to canned now that I know it is healthy and so much lower in calories. 
Fortunately, the overweight ones like anything (partly why they're 
overweight I suppose lol) and the ones who only eat dry are pretty good. 
But it's hard to have dry for them and try to keep the others on moist only, 
so I was hoping to get them off of it.  I think I'll try some of the raw 
stuff and see.  I agree they would be more likely to eat it if no dry was 
available!  I cannot tell you how encouraging it is to me that your cat lost 
5 lbs. over a year and a half!!  I have a couple who could stand to lose a 
good 3-4 pounds, so I'm hoping we'll finally get somewhere now that I have 
learned some more things.


Thanks for your input, as well as everyone else's, too,  and sorry your cats 
keep getting sick!!


Kris
http://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com
- Original Message - 
From: Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 12:21 PM
Subject: Re: cats who don't like moist food


   Buddie when she was younger would not eat anything but dry and she was 
picky about which dry.  She wouldn't eat chicken, beef, most any table 
food.  She did like bacon, and potatoe chips.  When she got extremely over 
weight and I had no choice but to put her on a diet, dry was out.  Dry 
food is the worst for cats, and I wish I could get my 2 dry food junkies 
off it.


To my amazement she started eating the canned all on her own, I wasn't 
putting out dry except in the evening, I guess she quickly decided she 
didn't like being hungry all day and started nibbling on the wet.  After a 
few days of noticing her eating wet, I stopped feeding dry all together. 
When she was eating good and losing weight, I stupidly starting putting 
out dry for the 2 junkies, but Buddie never again ate the dry, she lost 5 
pounds over a year and a half and was doing great until she got liver 
cancer shortly thereafter.


I'm still trying to get the two 2 junkies (both who by the way are 
overweight and the only ones who are overweight), off of the dry.  Every 
time I decide I'm going to get my guys on better food, somebody gets sick 
with something really bad, I'm almost afraid to try again.  Before Buddie 
got sick I was trying to switch all to raw.  Before Bailey got sick I was 
trying to switch the ones who wouldn't eat raw to a better canned.  And 
immediately after losing Bailey, Fred comes up hyperthyroid and CRF!!


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testing for dehydration

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 Do you know how to test for dehydration? Lift the skin 
on his scruff and make sure it bounces back quickly, if it just holds the shape 
of your "pinch" you've got trouble. 

I have only had one experience with 
this, but it was not a good one. The tech tested Spaz this way and her 
skin acted normal, but she was in fact severely dehydrated. She had not 
drank anything in days. She had thick, stringy saliva and the second vet 
noticed foul breath.

Krishttp://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com

Re: Bandy is better

[gwork]

In regards to the cat tower, could 
you use ramp or steps?

Krishttp://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Kerry 
  Roach 
  To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 8:20 PM
  Subject: Re: Bandy is better
  
  I don't know what else to do about the ringworm except keep putting the 
  conofite on it..I do put goldenseal on the large spot...That is what I did 
  with Inky, but he had an infection, too..I also put neosporin on top of all 
  that cause he kept it so irritated..Belinda sent some links to some good rw 
  info..and I thought about trying one of those products. Also, someone 
  mentioned bleach, but that scares me since it is on his face..I am sure that 
  the pred eye meds aren't helping any of this...He is off the pred orally for 
  now...and his eye spec. wanted him to stay on 2.5mg, but I think for now it 
  might be best if he doesn't take oral steroids...He will get dex if he gets a 
  temp and so far he has been 9 days without one..as long as I can keep it under 
  103, we are good and he will continue to eat..I hate that I may have to take 
  his cat tower out though, but can't really chance him climbing and hurting 
  himself again...If he were to break the leg, we really would be in big 
  trouble...
  Healing thoughts and prayers to all your furr-babies...
  Kerry and Bandy
  
  
  Do you Yahoo!?Everyone is raving about the all-new 
  Yahoo! Mail Beta.

Re: Shakiti Update

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Oh yes, I forgot about 
these - good thinking!, and also, twist ties! Anything of the like, 
really.

Krishttp://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Marylyn 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 2:50 
  AM
  Subject: Re: Shakiti Update
  
  Even yarn will do it. The 
  Royal Princess Kitty Katt adored eating rubberbands---can you imagine the 
  problems they would cause
  
  
  
  
  
  
   
  If you have men who will exclude any of God's 
  creatures 
  from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who 
   
  will deal likewise with their fellow 
  man. 
  St. Francis
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
gwork 

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 

Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 10:52 
PM
Subject: Re: Shakiti Update

OH MY 
GOODNESS!!! I almost could not read to the end, I was so 
uptight. But I am so glad for you

I'm sure everyone 
knows this, but just in case, also keep Christmas tinsel away. Part of 
the problem with floss is that it's, many times, mint-flavored and the cats 
love that mint.

Krishttp://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 7:36 
  PM
  Subject: Shakiti Update
  
  As soon as the vet got in from lunch - I called him. They had 
  been watchingShakiti all afternoon and given him peroxide as an 
  emetic...but no sign of dental floss. 
  
  We discussed theprospects of surgery.He said he 
  really hated to do unnecessary surgery - but on the other hand didn't want 
  to putShakiti's health and lifeatrisk.I told 
  him I really did not know what would be best for my boy and he said that 
  he would be willing for me to watch him a day or two. He felt that 
  if Shakiti made it through Friday without any problems - he would probably 
  be ok. 
  
  I told them I would be there in a bit and that I would stay up all 
  night with him if necessary. 
  
  I said prayers all the way there. 
  
  When I got there, I expected to just pay the bill - get my boy and 
  go- butthey called me back into a room and said, 'Elizabeth, 
  we have a problem'. My heart sank. I think it stopped 
  beating. I could feel the tears starting to burn.
  
  *graphic description 
  alert*
  In a bit, the doctor and the vet tech came out with a folded 
  towel. They opened up the towel and therewere a number 
  ofspots of bright red blood along about an 8 inch streakthat 
  Shakitihad regurgitated. They told methe blood was a bad 
  sign. They said - all day we have been watching for Shakiti to throw 
  up and nothing...but while you were on the way here, he started to 
  vomit. 
  
  Well...I looked at it carefully...and the vet tech looked at it 
  carefully...and then we both looked right at each other andsaid 
  'Wait a minute! What's that?!?' 
  
  What was it? Just a big wad of dental floss. The doctor 
  got some tweezers and it stretched out nearly 2 feet!
  *end graphic 
  content*
  
  Oh my goodness -- you can't imagine the waves of relief and the 
  change in my face, the doctor's face and the vet tech's face. It was 
  the whole piece - unbroken. The doctor believes now that the blood 
  must have been from retching the foul thing up -- he said that is not 
  uncommon in cats.
  
  They wanted to keep the baby overnight but I made 'big eyes' and 
  said, 'Couldn't I take him home and watch over him?' -- I just know that I 
  would watch and baby him like crazy and spoil him rottenwhile they 
  would have to leave him overnight. They agreed. 
  
  They gave him a steroid shot to decrease any inflammation and some 
  demerol for pain and discomfort. I am to watch for any further signs 
  of vomiting or if he hides like he feels badand tomorrow I can start 
  him on canned food if he feels ok.
  
  He is being a perfect angel and he has forgiven me completely. 
  He's staring into space happy as a clam with his demerol buzz. 
  Everytime I tell him how good he is - he smiles at me and purrs. 
  
  
  Oh! And the great news is the Shakiti tested negative for FeVL 
  today. His shots are up to date and as soon as he feels better he 
  canwreak havoc and pester Tiffany just like good ol' times.
  
  Mama Kitty still looks great -- although I've got to have a little 
  discussion with her about the headless baby bunny gift she left for me 
  this afternoon.
  
  Thanks for being there you guysyou rock.
  
  p.s. Always, always flush your floss

Re: o/t advice needed

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Yes, I have experienced this (not liking an enclosed box) some, too.  Not 
all of my cats, but particularly Spaz.  For me, having the high walls also 
encouraged them (the males) to go on ahead and spray even more.  My cats 
have been FAR less likely to spray (except for the Spaz issue) if the box is 
not near any wall of any kind (hard to do sometimes, for sure!).

Kris
http://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com
- Original Message - 
From: Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 2:58 AM
Subject: Re: o/t advice needed


You can put the lids on but no cat I have had liked having an enclosed 
litter box.  Keeps the odors in and I think makes them feel trapped (many 
of my cats started life on the streets and that may influence their 
feelings).







If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who
will deal likewise with 
their fellow man.
 St. 
Francis
- Original Message - 
From: Kerry MacKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 11:34 PM
Subject: Re: o/t advice needed



Are these lid-less, Marylyn? (She may feel safer with lids)
- Original Message -
From: Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 7:38 PM
Subject: Re: o/t advice needed



Please tell her the Rubbermaid or generic is a lot less expensive than
regular litter boxes.






 If you have men who 
will

exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of
compassion and pity, you will have men who
 will deal likewise with
their fellow man.
  St.
Francis
- Original Message -
From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 7:22 PM
Subject: Re: o/t advice needed


 Hey Kerry,
 Thank you for keeping us posted on Danny's progress.   It does sound

like

 his new momma is a kind woman and willing to work with him and Kitty

in

 making the transition.  I think she's a bit crazy if she's still being
 stubborn about not wanting to separate the litter boxes though!  I'd 
 go

 out and buy three more, (poor Miss Kitty, she shouldn't have to be

nervous
 about using her litterbox).  I've been known to strewn them all over 
 the

 house.  I've found that if someone is having accidents, (territorially
 motivated or not), if I put a litterbox near the mishap, they end up

using
 it instead of the floor or wall.  Tell her to watch her geriatric 
 Kitty
 very closely, what a terrible turn of events that would be if she 
 dashed

 out the door and something happened to her before she adjusted to her

new

 brother.
 Hugs,
 Nina

 Kerry MacKenzie wrote:

A big thankyou from my friend re Danny ( Kitty)follows below.






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Re: about ants

[gwork]

Thanks! I read that citrus 
cleaners are good, too. I'm going to hunt some up next time I'm 
out.

Krishttp://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 9:18 
  AM
  Subject: re: about ants
  
  I use an organic orange cleaner for my kitchen counters and other areas, 
  besides being a great cleaner and making the house smell nice, it seems to 
  really deter ants. Now they sell the orange cleaner in store brands so it's 
  not more expensive than regular cleaner.

Re: Everybody's talent

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Cool!!  I will be checking it out!  Sounds like you definitely work your 
behind off, too :)  It restores some of my faith and respect in mankind when 
I learn about people like you.  A lot of people don't care that much.


Kris
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- Original Message - 
From: Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 9:30 AM
Subject: Re: Everybody's talent


Hubby works his behind off so I can be home with the furkids all day 
and do free websites for animal rescues.  Mostly customizing their 
petfinder sites, I also do a website for one of my yahoo talk groups.  A 
few of my animal rescue clients have their own domains and I design and 
maintain their websites also.  I have a few paying clients and own and run 
a small web hosting company.  I don't really make any money but I break 
even on the hosting company so that's all that matters.


I work with about 30 rescue groups, thank goodness they don't all update 
on a regular basis or I'd be in big trouble, as it is I'm so far behind 
now with the website updating that it's really hard to keep up and it's 
going to take me awhile to get caught up if I ever do.  Looking for a 
hobby??!!


I'm working on a new site that is dedicated to Bailey my sweet positive 
that I lost in May.  I haven't really had time lately to do much with it. 
If anyone would like to contribute an article or some good links for info, 
please send them,  Or if you'd like to send your positives story/stories 
and photos I would really love it (there's a form right on the site where 
you can submit your story and photos)!!


FeLVPositiveFelines.org
http://FeLVPositiveFelines.org

Well back to work ...


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Re: FIV infected Kitten

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There are indeed people who have had 
their kitties come back as negative later on. I'm sure you will hear from 
them, too. In addition, even if your kitty does stay positive, there are 
many kitties who have relatively few health problems and live for years. 
Personally, I would keep the cats separated for now until your older one is 
tested and vaccinated, just to be on the safe side. But I don't think they 
need to be separated forever by any means. I think the vaccination would 
definitely be sufficient protection to allow them to be together.

Is your kitten displaying any 
symptoms, or is it healthy? Everyone on this list will have great 
suggestions for helping boost your kitten's immune system. I myself am 
just learning a lot of this, too, so will leave it to the pros to direct 
you.

But, just to give you one example, my 
cat Spaz was not diagnosed with leukemia until she was 8 years old. I had 
gotten her and her sister, Gizmo, when they were about 9 weeks old. At the 
time of Spaz's diagnosis, I also had gotten two more kittens about 10 months 
prior. All were mixing and mingling, eating out of same dishes, etc. until 
this diagnosis. NONE of the other cats tested positive. We 
vaccinated them and let them remingle. That's been nearly 6 years 
ago!! Spaz is quite healthy, by the way. Runs around like a kitten 
sometimes. I did come very close to losing her twice, and one not-so-good 
upper resp. infection, but otherwise, just little things that could happen to 
any cat, and most of the time has been as if she wasn't positive at all. 
Of course, the doctors simply cannot understand why she has lived so long. 
But it is because I didn't give up before it was really her time.

So I hope that eases your mind and 
gives you some hope. There will be much other positive support headed your 
way, I'm sure. You have come to the right place!

Krishttp://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 8:44 
  AM
  Subject: FIV infected Kitten
  
  I have been researching the net for information on FIV in kittens and 
  hope to get more info here. My daughter came home two weeks ago with a little 
  freal kitten appr. 5 weeks old. We already hav a 3 year old cat and had not 
  planned on another cat, but ofcourse everybody in the family fell in love with 
  this little thing. Yesterday we were told she tested positive for FIV, which 
  realy upset everybody, but we have decided to keep her and deal with things as 
  they come. Now I read that when a little kitten tests positive, you need to 
  keep testing it until at least 6 month of age because it might be mothers 
  anti-bodies, passed through mothers milk that might make the test come back 
  positive. Is there anybody in this forum that indeed had that happen, meaning 
  that at first the test came back positive but later negative? I know we are 
  grasping at straws, but hope helps. We are also trying to decide whether to 
  keep the two cats separate for ever or introduce them anyhow, I will talk to 
  the vet to have the older one tested too now and if that comes back negative, 
  to have him vacinated, but wonder whether that would be sufficient protection. 
  Any advise??

Re: raw food

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Also, just a thought - 
I am not sure if people generally keep their freezers down to 0F, 
anyway. I have never checked my own. Another reason I am 
wondering is because I think I was once told that being in the freezer doesn't 
even necessarily inactivate the microbes, but merely slows them down. I 
assume, based on the information below, that maybe that is because the freezers 
aren't as low as 0. 

Krishttp://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 5:02 
PM
  Subject: Re: raw food
  
  
  Just for the record though - freezing does not kill parasites. This 
  according to the USDA Safe Food Handling Fact Sheet:
  
  Does Freezing Destroy Bacteria  
  Parasites?Freezing to 0 °F inactivates any microbes -- bacteria, 
  yeasts and molds - - present in food. Once thawed, however, these microbes can 
  again become active, multiplying under the right conditions to levels that can 
  lead to foodborne illness. Since they will then grow at about the same rate as 
  microorganisms on fresh food, you must handle thawed items as you would any 
  perishable food.Trichina and other parasites can be destroyed by 
  sub-zero freezing temperatures. However, very strict government-supervised 
  conditions must be met. It is not recommended to rely on home freezing to 
  destroy trichina. Thorough cooking will destroy all parasites.
  
  Freezing 
  and Food Safety 
  
  Even if it's parasite free - if kitty doesn't scarf it down and it sits 
  there - it's going to get nasty.
  
  I'm not at all against Raw - nor am I debating it's nutritional value. 
  Cats have eaten raw in the wild for years. They've also gotten a 
  lot of parasites from it in the wild and have a considerably shorter life 
  span. It's just something to think about and I'm sure all of us want all 
  the info we can get. 
  
  
  
  In a message dated 6/20/2006 1:02:38 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
Most meat that you buy in the grocery is totally frozen when it get to 
the market so I don't think that is a real issue. Even the locker I 
buy my meat at, the poultry is frozen solid. I think you need to be 
smart when feeding your animalany diet. you canalso get 
just as much if not more bacteria from kibble or canned as from raw.
Before anyone just goes out and starts feeding any diet they need to 
read all they can on both sides of the issue and decide for 
themselves.
if any of you would like websites for raw diets or book titles, please 
e-mail me on the private side and I'll be happy to help you out.
I just don't like to see false information out there.

Kiley Dozier-Bosanko [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
The 
  argument I've heard agaisnt raw food, is not about the nutritional value 
  of a raw meat diet, it's the fact that poultry produced in the US is 
  not intended for raw consumption, it's not kept cold enough or 
  thoroughly screened for parasytes, because producers assume it will be 
  cooked. I just wonder if maybe it's worth that risk in order to feed 
  my kitties a great diet that they love, or not because they are 
  already compromised. Also as much as I hear about parasytes being a 
  major issue, I've never heard of an actual pet getting them from raw 
  food.From: Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: 
  felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: 
  Re: raw foodDate: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 06:27:35 -0700I personally 
  am still not 100% sure about raw food. You get the argument that this 
  is what cats eat in the wild, well like it or not, they aren't wild 
  anymore and have under gone changes due to years of being 
  domesticated.So, I can only go by my own experience and ours was 
  good, no problems with 
  parasites.--Belindahappiness is being owned by 
  cats ...Be-Mi-Kittieshttp://bemikitties.comPost 
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Re: (no subject)

[gwork]

Also, I'm sure some you guys already 
know this, as I did, but just hadn't thought about it before - hard water can 
contribute to blockages as well.

Krishttp://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Tad 
  Burnett 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 11:06 
  PM
  Subject: Re: (no subject)
  Right... I paid for it 30+ years ago and that is when I learned 
  the economy of paying a little more for good food...Tad[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  



The surgery can get expensive though, and some vets may not know how to 
do it, BUT I would think they could have referred her to someone that could 
have helped, if money wasn't a factor.
Phaewryn

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Re: Testing saliva for FeLV (was 'interesting')

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I have no idea how Spaz got her leukemia, but all I can say is that I had 3 
other cats in the house at the time, who were free to have all types of 
contact and eating out of the same dishes, etc., and none of them got it. 
Since I don't know how Spaz got it, I have no idea how long she may have had 
it before displaying symptoms.  Her sister, Gizmo, had had contact with her 
for all of her life, 8 years at the time of diagnosis.  The other two only 
had contact for less than a year.  So, from my personal experience, it does 
not appear very easily spread.  My vets still recommend vaccinating my other 
5 cats (I gained two more later on), even though 4 out of those 5 have no 
contact whatsoever with Spaz because I have two that absolutely will not get 
along, and I keep Spaz and Gizmo separated from the other four.  From a 
statistical standpoint, I think this is ridiculous, but I cannot bear the 
thought of one of them getting this horrid disease, so, for me, I feel the 
risk of vacc. is worth it.  My own personal experiences with vaccinations 
also seem to indicate that complications from that are minimal.  It is just 
that I never, ever again want to see an animal feel as bad as Spaz did, and 
go through the agony of not knowing if it will live, and wondering if it all 
could've been prevented with a vaccine.  But these are just my own personal 
experiences and feelings.


Kris
http://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com
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From: Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 12:14 AM
Subject: Re: Testing saliva for FeLV (was 'interesting')


   This only tells me it's not nearly as hard to catch as they try and 
make people believe.  And I still don't think it would be very easy to 
catch by grooming, I would watch Bailey and joey groom each other and they 
actually would groom and touch tongues and Joey still never got it!!

 Not only can they possibly test without

taking blood, but if FeLV is hanging out in the saliva
then it IS possible to pass it along via grooming (ie.
heavy petting...lol).  What do you guys think about
this new research?  

--

Belinda
happiness is being owned by cats ...

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Re: o/t advice needed

[gwork]

I wish the nursing homes could take pets, too, but it all comes down to 
money, unfortunately.


Kris
http://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com
- Original Message - 
From: Kerry MacKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 1:38 AM
Subject: Re: o/t advice needed



Thanks Marylyn. Have passed on all yr great advice. Will let you all know
how things go. Yes, both cats are very very confused right now. But I feel
most for poor Danny.
It makes me so mad that nursing homes don't take pets. (I believe a rare 
few

do.)
- Original Message -
From: Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 1:47 AM
Subject: Re: o/t advice needed



My first thought is to try Feliway spray.  It helps a lot.  Then put

Rescue
Remedy in their water.  Wash down every place Danny has peed with Odo 
Ban.

He is just trying to claim some space for himself.  Can you imagine how
awful and abandoned he feels?  How very alone?  He doesn't understand 
what
has happened to his person and why he is in  this situation and whether 
it

is a home for life or he will be thrown out again

He
is very confused and very frightened.The Odo Ban is the only product 
I

have found that really works on cat urine.  Make sure there are at least

two

litter boxes.  Since Danny is spraying I would suggest getting 18 gallon
Rubbermaid boxes and cutting a doorway in it so Danny has plenty of 
high

walls to spray.  Don't put the lid on it though.  Make sure each cat is
getting attention separately and has his own food bowl.  Given the stress
this has to be putting on your friend and Danny's predicament I should
seriously consider getting some valium from my vet for Danny and see it

that

helps.  Danny needs a special place of his own to hide.  Again, if there

is

little space, try a Rubbermaid container, this time with the lid on it.

Cut

a cat size hole near the end of one long side and high.  The objective is

to

give the cat as much dark, safe space inside the box as possible.  By
cutting the hole about midway up the box and toward the end you maximize
that space.  Put in hay, shredded newspaper...something Danny can bury in
and feel safe in (again spray the box and contents with Feliway).  Other
ideas are to consult an Animal Communicator and a holistic vet as well as

a

regular vet.

It is possible that all the stress Danny is under may have led to a UTI.

A

vet checkup is not a bad idea.

Make sure your friend remembers her original cat and the stress that cat

is

under too.  Some of the above may help it.

Good luck.  It sounds like you can use some.






 If you have men who will
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of
compassion and pity, you will have men who
 will deal likewise with
their fellow man.
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Francis
- Original Message -
From: Kerry MacKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 8:55 PM
Subject: o/t advice needed


 Hi all
 I'm just back in the country again after 5 weeks FML, and once again my
 condolences go to those of you who have lost beloved furkids, along 
 with

 my
 heartfelt wishes to all the sick kitties for a speedy recovery.
 I've come back to discover a friend, B,  throwing her hands up in

despair
 over her new kitty Danny. (Danny had to find a new home as his 
 guardian,

a

 neighbor of B's, entered a nursing home.) B already has one cat that

she's
 had for 15 years and she was quite concerned about how the two would 
 get

 along. B does not have the space to allow them to be introduced slowly

so

 they were basically thrown together, and now Danny is peeing and

spraying

 everywhere it seems.
 Any tips/advice, you wonderful people? I'm very concerned from what

she's

 said that Danny will soon become homeless again, so I'll be very

grateful

 for any advice I can fwd to her. (I would get on the archives and do my
 own
 research but I've come back to a plumbing disaster, a friend who I fear
 may
 be on the brink of suicide and now my front tooth has fallen out.)
 Thanks for all/any help. Love you all. hugs, Kerry





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Re: Testing saliva for FeLV (was 'interesting')

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I agree that I would 
want to know about possible risks, too. I think as long as they present it 
appropriately, then it is up to people to do their own research and 
decide. To me, there are risks in everything, no matter which way you 
go. I think a lot of times, it isn't even a black-and-white matter of 
saying one thing is riskier than another, but it just depends on those 
particular circumstances. I think also sometimes it is more than just a 
matter of the likelihood of something happening, but also how severe the 
consequence is. For example, they say there is less risk of an accident 
while flying vs. driving. Maybe so, but if there IS an accident while 
flying, the risk of dying is greater. So I think it is just a matter of 
evaluating each situation and deciding for ourselves. The other problem 
institutions, etc. run into is the fear of lawsuits. So they feel they 
must "overprotect" to avoid this. To me, no way around it, it's just that 
there are no easy answers because you can't try to have one set of "rules" and 
still address the differences that exist in everyone. Some people are more 
capable of doing research and making decisions. But I do think that 
sometimes the "authorities" present info. inappropriately, but also, the people 
are at fault if they just accept it and/orrely only on their emotions to 
make decisions.

Krishttp://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 3:33 
  AM
  Subject: Re: Testing saliva for FeLV (was 
  'interesting')
  
  
  Here's my take on it. The experts tell me that it is possible to be 
  struck by lightening in a thunderstorm. Me - I've been outside countless 
  times when itstartedstorming -and I've never been struck and 
  neither has anyone in my family or anyone I know. Do the weather experts 
  need to update their websites and literature?I'm thinking it might 
  be a good idea to think long and hard before standing out in the rain with a 
  metal pole. Now - I don't know if it's easierto be struck by 
  lightening than for casual contact FeVLcontamination to occur- I 
  simply do not know the odds...but if it's possible - I surely do want to know 
  and take some precautions where appropriate.
  
  elizabeth
  
  In a message dated 6/20/2006 11:15:05 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
   
 This only tells me it's not nearly as hard to catch as they try and 
make people believe. And I still don't think it would be very easy to 
catch by grooming, I would watch Bailey and joey groom each other and they 
actually would groom and touch tongues and Joey still never got it!! 
 Not only can they possibly test 
withouttaking blood, but if FeLV is hanging out in the salivathen it 
IS possible to pass it along via grooming (ie.heavy 
petting...lol). What do you guys think aboutthis new 
research? -- Belindahappiness 
is being owned by cats 
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Re: Elizabeth's talent

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Wow!! Your cats do that 
stuff, too (surf the web, use credit cards, sneak the car)?? :) I 
thought it was just mine. Spaz has practically kicked me right off the 
chair to enter her own blog entry on her site :). Also, I know what you 
mean about the job thing! Well, what I do is fairly creative, but it is 
very limited. And all the other B.S. that can go on working for someone 
else. I hope that one day you will be able to do it for a living, because 
it means so much to you.

Krishttp://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 6:43 
  PM
  Subject: Re: Elizabeth's talent
  
  
  You are too, too kind. Thank you from my heart. 
  
  If I could do anything I wanted to for a living - I would do cat 
  portraits. Sadly though - I live alone with 8 cats so I'm the only one 
  paying the bills (plus, the kitties like to surf the web and use my credit 
  cards when they aren't sneaking the car out to go joy riding). I have to 
  have a senseofstability and security...so I am biding my time in a 
  high pressure position that requires absolutely nothing artistic or creative 
  and makes me wish I had a valium IV.
  
  I love to paint in oils and watercolors. Charcoal and pencil is one 
  of the least expensive mediums to use so I rely on that a lot...plus fewer 
  kitty paw prints in oil paint around the house :-) - the kids love to 
  paint. I love pen and ink tooand do a little sculpture and some 
  photography. All this - along with my gardening - is my therapyand 
  Lord knows I need that LOL
  
  One of these days.
  
  Thanks for being interested! 
  
  
  In a message dated 6/21/2006 2:20:57 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  Oh 
Elizabeth what a gift you have!! I'm sure you are told that by anyone 
who is fortunate enough to view your work. Do you do this for your 
livelihood? You should, if only to share your gift with as many people 
as possible. You not only portray a realistic representation of your 
subjects, but you're able to capture the beauty of their spirits as 
well. Not a simple thing to do.When did you first discover that 
you could do this? Do you paint as well? Very nice, thank you 
for posting them.Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

  
  
  Tad - that is an excellent point and one that deserves careful 
  consideration. I lost my Felicity to vaccine related fibrosarcoma 
  and although it happened many years ago, I still grieve. Here is a 
  link to a charcoaldrawing I did of her. She was a very dear 
  soul.
  
  http://www.trentdesigns.com/elizabeth/felicity.html
  
  

Re: o/t advice needed

[gwork]

My house is divided into two parts because I have two cats that just will 
not get along.  To make a long story short, I finally realized that whenever 
the other 4 cats were in our bedroom sleeping and I let Spaz or Gizmo into 
the other part of the house, Spaz was using their litter boxes.  Every 
single time this would happen, it would initiate a round of spraying from 
one or two of the others.  However, they did mostly limit their spraying to 
the litter box area, so Danny's sounds different, but my opinion is it 
couldn't hurt, at least for the time being.  They can feel threatened if 
they have to share, especially when Kitty is reacting this way to Danny.  If 
she was more accepting, none of this would probably be happening.  It is 
very similar to what I went through with Gizmo and Motley. Oh, also, when we 
were still trying to get those two to get along, it got so bad that Gizmo 
was terrified to go anywhere at all in the house, and would stay on top of 
the cupboard until she simply couldn't stand it any longer, go to the 
nearest rug, and relieve herself of diarrhea from waiting so long.  It took 
me a little bit to figure out what was going on (I thought Spaz was having 
bowel problems at first), but obviously, after that, I knew I had to 
separate them.  At that time, though, I did not know about all these other 
helpful products, so that could've made a difference.  Anyway, I give your 
friend much credit for making this much of an effort and trying.  I hope it 
will settle down soon.


Kris
http://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com
- Original Message - 
From: Kerry MacKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 6:41 PM
Subject: Re: o/t advice needed



A big thankyou from my friend re Danny ( Kitty)follows below.
Also a rundown of what she's now doing (but before she got the latest tips
from you wonderful people).
D'you think she really *should* be putting each litterbox in a different
room. (It also sounds like she still has just the 2 boxes.)
Many thanks to everyone again.
Kerry


Hi Kerry,

Would you please send everyone my heartfelt THANKS for all the good 
advice?!

This is wonderful.

So far I've done
Separate litterboxes; Rescue Remedy in his water and a drop on his paw; 15
minutes of play time every night; sitting with him and reading or watching
TV; he is starting to respond to my calling his name.  He also knows when
he's NOT supposed to do something when I say his name, like jumping on the
dining table.  Danny has claimed the living room and has his own dark, 
quiet

corner between the couch and book shelf, lined with a catnip mat, where he
can cuddle and feel safe; he's VERY curious and has checked out every inch
of my apartment so far, likes to sit in the living room windows and watch
the birds.  He is starting to get a hang of our routine - meowing for food
when I get up in the morning, petting time when I do exercise in the 
living

room in the morning (this time is just for him).  Meowing for treats and
food when I get home from work.

Kitty gets lots of attention, sleeps with me and I make sure to talk to 
her

as much as possible. I try to keep as much of our old routine as possible.
She get holistic animal medical drops Jealousy in her water. She has
retreated into the bedroom 90% of the time and I make a point to bring her
into the kitchen with me for interaction, so I can spend more time with 
her.

She is very nervous and anxious and will absolutely not let Danny near her
(she has never allowed any other cat near her).  If Danny comes near, she
gets very aggressive, growls and the chases him away, screeching.  Danny 
is

confused by this.  He wants to make contact and, I think, play.  She is
afraid to use her litterbox because Danny is around.  I will not put her
litterbox and food in the bedroom because I don't want to separate
everything!  Kitty has NEVER wanted to go outside and now she constantly
tries to run out the back door when I'm going out to water the plants.
Seems like she does not want to be in the same place as Danny.

I will use the other tips and hope Danny will stop peeing and spraying. 
He
also started to pee in the bathroom and now on the kitchen floor (just 
found

it yesterday).

Keep my fingers crossed that it will get better soon!
B

Re: Shakiti Update

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OH MY GOODNESS!!! 
I almost could not read to the end, I was so uptight. But I am so glad for 
you

I'm sure everyone knows 
this, but just in case, also keep Christmas tinsel away. Part of the 
problem with floss is that it's, many times, mint-flavored and the cats love 
that mint.

Krishttp://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 7:36 
  PM
  Subject: Shakiti Update
  
  As soon as the vet got in from lunch - I called him. They had been 
  watchingShakiti all afternoon and given him peroxide as an emetic...but 
  no sign of dental floss. 
  
  We discussed theprospects of surgery.He said he really 
  hated to do unnecessary surgery - but on the other hand didn't want to 
  putShakiti's health and lifeatrisk.I told him I 
  really did not know what would be best for my boy and he said that he would be 
  willing for me to watch him a day or two. He felt that if Shakiti made 
  it through Friday without any problems - he would probably be ok. 
  
  I told them I would be there in a bit and that I would stay up all night 
  with him if necessary. 
  
  I said prayers all the way there. 
  
  When I got there, I expected to just pay the bill - get my boy and 
  go- butthey called me back into a room and said, 'Elizabeth, we 
  have a problem'. My heart sank. I think it stopped beating. 
  I could feel the tears starting to burn.
  
  *graphic description 
  alert*
  In a bit, the doctor and the vet tech came out with a folded towel. 
  They opened up the towel and therewere a number ofspots of bright 
  red blood along about an 8 inch streakthat Shakitihad 
  regurgitated. They told methe blood was a bad sign. They said - 
  all day we have been watching for Shakiti to throw up and nothing...but while 
  you were on the way here, he started to vomit. 
  
  Well...I looked at it carefully...and the vet tech looked at it 
  carefully...and then we both looked right at each other andsaid 'Wait a 
  minute! What's that?!?' 
  
  What was it? Just a big wad of dental floss. The doctor got 
  some tweezers and it stretched out nearly 2 feet!
  *end graphic 
  content*
  
  Oh my goodness -- you can't imagine the waves of relief and the change in 
  my face, the doctor's face and the vet tech's face. It was the whole 
  piece - unbroken. The doctor believes now that the blood must have been 
  from retching the foul thing up -- he said that is not uncommon in cats.
  
  They wanted to keep the baby overnight but I made 'big eyes' and said, 
  'Couldn't I take him home and watch over him?' -- I just know that I would 
  watch and baby him like crazy and spoil him rottenwhile they would have 
  to leave him overnight. They agreed. 
  
  They gave him a steroid shot to decrease any inflammation and some 
  demerol for pain and discomfort. I am to watch for any further signs of 
  vomiting or if he hides like he feels badand tomorrow I can start him on 
  canned food if he feels ok.
  
  He is being a perfect angel and he has forgiven me completely. He's 
  staring into space happy as a clam with his demerol buzz. Everytime I 
  tell him how good he is - he smiles at me and purrs. 
  
  Oh! And the great news is the Shakiti tested negative for FeVL 
  today. His shots are up to date and as soon as he feels better he 
  canwreak havoc and pester Tiffany just like good ol' times.
  
  Mama Kitty still looks great -- although I've got to have a little 
  discussion with her about the headless baby bunny gift she left for me this 
  afternoon.
  
  Thanks for being there you guysyou rock.
  
  p.s. Always, always flush your floss.
  
  

about ants

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I have been meaning to write and say 
that I had occasion to try some ant remedies (it ironically became an issue 
shortly after those discussions), and mint flakes did not seem to do much, but 
cinnamon really sent them running!! Only in powder form, for some reason, 
though. Stick didn't seem to work at all. I did notice the aroma is 
stronger in powder, so I guess that's it. These were small, dark/black 
ants. Anyway...

Krishttp://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com

Re: o/t advice needed

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Yes, my mother has also had good experience with placing a litter box near 
the mishap, as well.


Kris
http://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com
- Original Message - 
From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 8:22 PM
Subject: Re: o/t advice needed



Hey Kerry,
Thank you for keeping us posted on Danny's progress.   It does sound like 
his new momma is a kind woman and willing to work with him and Kitty in 
making the transition.  I think she's a bit crazy if she's still being 
stubborn about not wanting to separate the litter boxes though!  I'd go 
out and buy three more, (poor Miss Kitty, she shouldn't have to be nervous 
about using her litterbox).  I've been known to strewn them all over the 
house.  I've found that if someone is having accidents, (territorially 
motivated or not), if I put a litterbox near the mishap, they end up using 
it instead of the floor or wall.  Tell her to watch her geriatric Kitty 
very closely, what a terrible turn of events that would be if she dashed 
out the door and something happened to her before she adjusted to her new 
brother.

Hugs,
Nina

Kerry MacKenzie wrote:


A big thankyou from my friend re Danny ( Kitty)follows below.

Re: Elizabeth's talent

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Sorry, I forgot to say 
I'm glad I've been an inspiration and provider of hope, because that is just 
what I wanted to do, along with spread the message that, for whatever reason, 
Spaz did not respond at all to Depo-Medrol but had magnificent results with 
prednisolone. She would be dead now if I had not insisted on 
it.So thanks for the inspiration and hope you've now given me that 
my website/story IS making a difference! It really means a lot. I 
also know the feelings of desperation and helplessness, so to help another 
through that is a blessing. It is funny you said to kiss the kids, because 
I am always threatening to "kiss them 'til they have bald spots"! I think 
my husband thinks I'm crazy sometimes, but that's OK :).

Krishttp://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 11:26 
  PM
  Subject: Re: Elizabeth's talent
  
  
  LOL! Sounds like you've got your hands full too. Just wanted 
  to tell you - I am still going through your website/blog...but thank you so 
  much for the hope and the inspiration. It's already done so much to help 
  us through this tough time. Kiss Spaz and the other kidsfor 
  me!
  
  elizabeth
  
  In a message dated 6/21/2006 10:06:45 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
Wow!! Your cats do 
that stuff, too (surf the web, use credit cards, sneak the car)?? 
:) I thought it was just mine. Spaz has practically kicked me 
right off the chair to enter her own blog entry on her site :). Also, 
I know what you mean about the job thing! Well, what I do is fairly 
creative, but it is very limited. And all the other B.S. that can go 
on working for someone else. I hope that one day you will be able to 
do it for a living, because it means so much to you.

Krishttp://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 6:43 
  PM
  Subject: Re: Elizabeth's talent
  
  
  You are too, too kind. Thank you from my heart. 
  
  If I could do anything I wanted to for a living - I would do cat 
  portraits. Sadly though - I live alone with 8 cats so I'm the only 
  one paying the bills (plus, the kitties like to surf the web and use my 
  credit cards when they aren't sneaking the car out to go joy 
  riding). I have to have a senseofstability and 
  security...so I am biding my time in a high pressure position that 
  requires absolutely nothing artistic or creative and makes me wish I had a 
  valium IV.
  
  I love to paint in oils and watercolors. Charcoal and pencil is 
  one of the least expensive mediums to use so I rely on that a lot...plus 
  fewer kitty paw prints in oil paint around the house :-) - the kids love 
  to paint. I love pen and ink tooand do a little sculpture and 
  some photography. All this - along with my gardening - is my 
  therapyand Lord knows I need that LOL
  
  One of these days.
  
  Thanks for being interested! 
  
  
  In a message dated 6/21/2006 2:20:57 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  Oh 
Elizabeth what a gift you have!! I'm sure you are told that by 
anyone who is fortunate enough to view your work. Do you do this 
for your livelihood? You should, if only to share your gift with 
as many people as possible. You not only portray a realistic 
representation of your subjects, but you're able to capture the beauty 
of their spirits as well. Not a simple thing to do.When did 
you first discover that you could do this? Do you paint as 
well? Very nice, thank you for posting them.Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  
  Tad - that is an excellent point and one that deserves careful 
  consideration. I lost my Felicity to vaccine related 
  fibrosarcoma and although it happened many years ago, I still 
  grieve. Here is a link to a charcoaldrawing I did of 
  her. She was a very dear soul.
  
  http://www.trentdesigns.com/elizabeth/felicity.html
  
  
  
  

Re: Samantha's Prognosis

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Personally, I would leave her be as well.  If it was not in the nodes, then 
I would say try, but unfortunately, when it is in the nodes, it is most 
likely just going to come back.  I agree with spending as much time as you 
can until it is time to let her go.  I feel so sad for you and your kitty 
:(.


Kris
http://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com
- Original Message - 
From: Julia Hagstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 4:37 PM
Subject: Samantha's Prognosis



Hi, all :(

Well, I have good news and bad news.  The good news is that Samantha 
doesn't have FIV or FIP, just FelV.  The bad news is that the tumor in her 
chest is definitely Mediastinal lymphoma, and it's in her lymph nodes, 
unfortunately.  :(  I can give her chemo and radiation and prolong her 
life for 3-4 months, or I can simply leave her be (they gave her 
Prednisone, short-term chemo,  and something to keep her from having an 
allergic reaction to the chemo, today).  She is better, and they drained 
some more fluid out of her, to test it for lymphoma cells, as my regular 
vet hadn't done that, yet; she wanted to see what I wanted to do, first. 
I now have to decide whether to spend almost $1700.00 and get her the 
radiation and chemo that will prolong her life for 3-4 months or just 
leave her be, and my inclination is to leave her be, and keep her home 
until she is suffering too much to do anything except let her go, with 
regular checkups from my regular vet, of course.  I have meds to give her 
and they took her off the Lasix, as her body is producing more fluid than 
the Lasix can help her get rid of quickly, and all the other meds she was 
on except the antiobiotic, and they have me giving her one pill, once a 
day (don't remember what it is) and Children's Benadryl from the 
drugstore.  Please pray for us, and any advice you care to offer is 
gratefully accepted.  I need all the support and advice you care to give. 
Thanks for all your support.


Julia Hagstrom

Re: o/t advice needed

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I agree also, especially about the stress on the cat and his need for 
attention and space of his own.  If it is possible, sometimes it helps to 
have the litter boxes separate from each other, so that one cat can more so 
have his own box.


Kris
http://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com
- Original Message - 
From: Kat [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 7:14 AM
Subject: Re: o/t advice needed



Hi Kerry,

I agree with the advice from Marylyn, but want to add -
If there is any way to get some of the bedding or clothes
from Danny's original owner to put in the dark cubby, that
may help him adjust and settle in too.

Kat (Mew Jersey)

PS
I'm keeping you in my prayers too, and
sending gentle, soothing, stress-free vibes.


On Tue, 20 Jun 2006, Marylyn wrote:


Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 01:47:32 -0500
From: Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: o/t advice needed

My first thought is to try Feliway spray.  It helps a lot.  Then put 
Rescue
Remedy in their water.  Wash down every place Danny has peed with Odo 
Ban.

He is just trying to claim some space for himself.  Can you imagine how
awful and abandoned he feels?  How very alone?  He doesn't understand 
what
has happened to his person and why he is in  this situation and whether 
it
is a home for life or he will be thrown out again 
He
is very confused and very frightened.The Odo Ban is the only product 
I
have found that really works on cat urine.  Make sure there are at least 
two

litter boxes.  Since Danny is spraying I would suggest getting 18 gallon
Rubbermaid boxes and cutting a doorway in it so Danny has plenty of 
high

walls to spray.  Don't put the lid on it though.  Make sure each cat is
getting attention separately and has his own food bowl.  Given the stress
this has to be putting on your friend and Danny's predicament I should
seriously consider getting some valium from my vet for Danny and see it 
that
helps.  Danny needs a special place of his own to hide.  Again, if there 
is
little space, try a Rubbermaid container, this time with the lid on it. 
Cut
a cat size hole near the end of one long side and high.  The objective is 
to

give the cat as much dark, safe space inside the box as possible.  By
cutting the hole about midway up the box and toward the end you maximize
that space.  Put in hay, shredded newspaper...something Danny can bury in
and feel safe in (again spray the box and contents with Feliway).  Other
ideas are to consult an Animal Communicator and a holistic vet as well as 
a

regular vet.

It is possible that all the stress Danny is under may have led to a UTI. 
A

vet checkup is not a bad idea.

Make sure your friend remembers her original cat and the stress that cat 
is

under too.  Some of the above may help it.

Good luck.  It sounds like you can use some.






 If you have men who will
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of
compassion and pity, you will have men who
 will deal likewise with
their fellow man.
  St.
Francis
- Original Message -
From: Kerry MacKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 8:55 PM
Subject: o/t advice needed


 Hi all
 I'm just back in the country again after 5 weeks FML, and once again my
 condolences go to those of you who have lost beloved furkids, along 
 with

 my
 heartfelt wishes to all the sick kitties for a speedy recovery.
 I've come back to discover a friend, B,  throwing her hands up in 
 despair
 over her new kitty Danny. (Danny had to find a new home as his 
 guardian, a
 neighbor of B's, entered a nursing home.) B already has one cat that 
 she's
 had for 15 years and she was quite concerned about how the two would 
 get
 along. B does not have the space to allow them to be introduced slowly 
 so
 they were basically thrown together, and now Danny is peeing and 
 spraying

 everywhere it seems.
 Any tips/advice, you wonderful people? I'm very concerned from what 
 she's
 said that Danny will soon become homeless again, so I'll be very 
 grateful

 for any advice I can fwd to her. (I would get on the archives and do my
 own
 research but I've come back to a plumbing disaster, a friend who I fear
 may
 be on the brink of suicide and now my front tooth has fallen out.)
 Thanks for all/any help. Love you all. hugs, Kerry





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Hey, I just found out about a lady 
who "had" to pts her 13 y/o male cat because his urinary tract was blocked and 
"they couldn't do anything about it." What do you guys make of this? 
Is this possible? Couldn't they have done surgery, at the very 
least?

Krishttp://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com

Re: Need more prayers for my little babies..

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Prayers for you and your little ones 
:) :)

Krishttp://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Hideyo Yamamoto 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 1:47 
PM
  Subject: Need more prayers for my little 
  babies..
  
  
  Hi, I know I ask you this a lot… 
  but I need more prayers for my babies form you 
  guys..
  
  If you remember I rescued two day 
  old kitten about five weeks ago..she has been doing great… 
  
  And also Waku, who was having a 
  difficult time putting weight.. and she has put some weight and been doing 
  great… but now, both of them are running a very very high fever between 104 
  and 105.5 --- I usually don’t freak out high fevers as I have lots of 
  experience with my babies in the past.. Low fever though… I freak 
  out..
  
  Anyway,, Waku’s third eye lid is 
  covering a half of her eyes (actually there is some viral thing going on in my 
  house.. about 6 or so of my adult kitties start showing third eye lid with no 
  other symptoms.. and goes away in a couple of months..).. and she looks very 
  very not feeling well…. 
  
  Please please pray that these two 
  babies will fever will go down soon and they will go back to where they 
  usually are feeling.. thank you!!
  Hideyo

(no subject)

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Hey guys,
 I have some 
questions.
1) Where can I find a good vit./min. 
supplement that is not also high in calories? All I know of is that Hartz 
stuff at Wal-Mart, Target, etc.

2) In regards to feeding only canned 
food for a sensitive digestive system, what is something good to feed? 
I've noticed that all the canned stuff is very low in protein - I thought cats 
needed a much higher protein (like in the dry foods), so is it healthy to feed 
only canned long-term?

3) What is your opinion about giving 
a rabies vacc. to a felv+ cat? Originally, they gave Spaz the vacc. and 
she was fine. Later, a different vet suggested not messing with the immune 
system, especially since she is indoors only. This makes sense to me, and 
I tend to agree with it, but wanted some other input. I do work with 
ferals where I work, but none has ever had rabies, I have never been bitten, and 
I always wash and disinfect my hands/arms before dealing with any of my own cats 
at home.

4) Do you guys know of any seminars, 
etc., where we so-called "uneducated" people can speak and talk about our 
experiences?

5) Do you know of anyfelv 
research facilities?

Thank you much,
Krishttp://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com

Question for Nina

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Hi Nina,
 I was 
wondering if I could get your recipe for the "turkey mush" that you make for one 
of your cats? I would like to maybe try it not only for Spaz, but also for 
one of my others, Frosty, who has mild allergies. Thanks.

Krishttp://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com

two more questions that I forgot

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Hi again all,

I also was wondering, with all the 
talk about lysine lately, if that is just regular lysine, the same as humans 
would consume, but without the propylene glycol? is that right?

Also, there was a lot of talk about 
Interferon, and I got confused as to whether it is better to give regularly, 
regardless of symptoms, or start when the cat becomes symptomatic? Spaz 
has been on nothing during any of the time she has been asymptomatic, and that 
seems to be fine, but I want to keep her immune system up as much as possible so 
that she will stay healthy and live as long as possible.

Thanks again!

Krishttp://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com

Re: (no subject)

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Well, let your bad feeling leave you 
:) I forgot all about Drs. Foster  Smith (sorry to have bothered 
anyone with that question now), but I do know of them. I guess I was just 
looking for a location to actually GO to and get it. Also, I do not buy my 
cat food at Wal-Mart; I am currently buying from a specialty store. I know 
the other stuff is garbage, and also know to avoid by-products, bone meals, 
corn, and additives, and that taurine is an essential nutrient. I just 
don't remember seeing any good vitamin supplements at the pet store, either, but 
perhaps I'm wrong...I've been to the naturapet website looking at Felidae and 
Calif. Naturals, but that was just dry food. Also, Calif. Nat. has 
phenyalanine in it, which is known to cause tumors. I will go back and 
check out the moist food at their site and the other you gave, but I'm still not 
sure I understand how the cat will get enough protein when the percentage is so 
much lower. Will I simply feed more of it to make up the 
difference?
Thanks for all your guys' 
input!

Krishttp://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 12:36 
  PM
  Subject: Re: (no subject)
  
  Oh, the canned food thing... I have a bad feeling that since the only 
  place you knew to buy vitamin supplements was Walmart, you may actually be 
  feeding that stuff they call "cat food" that you can buy in Walmart or the 
  grocery store. That stuff is NOT any good at all. Friskies, Cat Chow, Alley 
  Cat, etc, all TRASH; Pro Plan, Iams, Hill's, all only one step above TRASH. 
  You should only buy pet food at a vet's office or a specialty pet supply 
  store. Look for the "super premium" brands. A can of cat food should NEVER 
  cost less than $0.75 for a 5.5 oz can (most good ones are near a dollar a can 
  or more), or you aren't buying good quality. Friskies, Purina, Fancy Feast, 
  those are all BAD foods. Read the ingredients labels, the first ingredient 
  should always be some kind of MEAT (not meat by products, or bone meal, or 
  anything except MEAT). Cat food should never contain any corn. Cat food should 
  ideally not contain anything you can't pronounce, unless it's a vitamin or 
  mineral (carrageenan, guar gum, BHA, BHT, etc, all not so great wet cat food 
  ingredients). Sometimes you can't get around the guar gum, just look for ones 
  with LESS of it). Make sure that any cat food you feed has TAURINE in it. Even 
  the super premium brands, in wet food, they will be lower protein than dry 
  foods. This is due to the amount of water used to make it. It's not any less 
  quality of protein, it's just watered down. Cats fed all wet food diets will 
  tend to drink less water on the side, cats that eat all dry food diets will 
  drink more. It works out about the same in the end. Most people choose to feed 
  both dry and wet, others choose all dry (usually due to convenience), others 
  choose all wet (cats tend to prefer wet food, many owners claim it's more 
  natural since raw dead animals are very wet by nature). Still other owners 
  choose to feed all raw diets of REAL dead animals, the MOST natural diet for 
  any carnivore, such as a cat. Lot's of us just don't have that much time, 
  that's my excuse anyways. I feed free choice dry food in an auto-feeder and 
  give wet food as a treat only upon occasion. But I work two jobs, and just 
  don't have much time to do "what's best". It's all what WORKS for you, and 
  what your cat does the best on. It's very trialerror. :)
  
  Here is the brands I feed, their website is very good, you can view each 
  variety of cat food, and read all the ingredients, and nutritional info for 
  each one. They even let you compare four kinds side by side:
  http://www.naturapet.com/display.php?d=foods-tab
  Their Innova EVO is the highest proteincat food they make (I 
  personally feed the California Natural brand):
  http://www.naturapet.com/display.php?d=product-detail[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
  Other good brands:
  Wellness:
  http://www.petfooddirect.com/store/dept.asp?dept%5Fid=6brand%5Fid=913
  Chicken Soup:
  http://www.petfooddirect.com/store/dept.asp?dept%5Fid=6brand%5Fid=630
  Felidae:
  http://www.petfooddirect.com/store/dept.asp?dept%5Fid=6brand%5Fid=300
  Wysong:
  http://www.petfooddirect.com/store/dept.asp?dept%5Fid=6brand%5Fid=151
  (there are others, just read labels)
  
  If you don't have a good vet store or pet supply store near you, this is 
  a good online pet food store:
  http://petfooddirect.com/store/ 
  (you can look up many brands and compare on this site, a wonderful 
  resource)
  
  Just so you know, there are super premium cat food brands that aren't 
  very good too, so you have to read labels. One to avoid is Flint River... it's 
  all corn and by-products, yet very expensive.
  I hope that helps!
  
  Jenn
  
  PLEASE Adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat 

Re: Hello, new to Felvtalk

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Love your website!! Can I ask 
who you go through to do it? And little Pippin is so adorable, looks like 
a cat I had when growing up, Tiger. I hope your little girl will test 
negative when retested :).

Krishttp://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Gina 
  To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 3:04 
  PM
  Subject: Hello, new to Felvtalk
  
  Hi,
  
  I wanted to introduce myself and my kitten. Her 
  namePippin. She is about nine weeks old and had a faint positive 
  result on her first FeLV test on Thursday. I've been frantically doing 
  research about the disease and I came across thefelineleukemia.org 
  support group. I am looking for others to talk with :)
  
  Pippin and our other cats have a website if you would like to visit it: 
  http://tiggerwiggins.com/tiggertales.html
  
  Thank you,
  GinaNo heaven wil not ever Heaven be Unless my cats 
  are there to welcome me.--epitaph in a pet cemetery
  
  
  Yahoo! 
  Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low 
rates.

Re: Please pray for Bandy

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It sounds like if he would just eat, 
then his PCV and protein would improve. Even though 22 is lower than he 
was, at least it's still a decentnumber. I guess I'm just saying, I 
personally don't think he is anywhere near being ready to cross yet. He 
just needs help, and that is presenting to be tricky at the moment. I wish 
I knew something to help you, but I don't, but still, personally,I think 
keep on trying, don't give up yet. My Spaz was almost gone thrice, but we 
made it. It seems strange to me that he would have a fever but normal WBC, 
unless his personal count is usually lower, so this is actually high for him, 
but still technically within the "normal" range. All I can tell you is 
that Spaz, when in the hospital for her URI, had a temp that would go up and 
down for about 8 days, and then finally was able to keep it down. I wish 
you the best for Bandy!

Krishttp://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Kerry 
  Roach 
  To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 4:25 
  PM
  Subject: Re: Please pray for Bandy
  
  I took him to the vet today..she is out of town, but in touch with 
  them..They gave him 200cc sub-q fluids, ran a cbc, gave him tagamet injection 
  and Bcomplex injection..His temp was 102.8 which it has been going up and down 
  the since Thurs..
  His total protein was 5.8 (not good) PCV was 22 also not good since 3 wks 
  ago is was the highest it had been since he was on procrit last Aug..So she 
  thinks that maybe all his blood work is off due to being a little dehydrated.. 
  He did eat a little when we got home on his own and drank some water..He went 
  to the litter box without falling, but it was all he could do to get back to 
  his bed and fall over on his left side since his leg trouble is on the 
  right..He did walk somewhat better though..but wobbly..
  I gave him 3cc of nutrical, too..So they said I need to bring him back 
  tomorrow to be looked at again to see if he is better and for more 
  fluids. I hate to do that, but if he needs any other meds, it is the 
  best way for us to do it..I could give the fluids here, but he might need 
  something else..His WBC was normal...I think they will probably run another 
  PCV and TP on Monday to see if they went up after he is hydrated and hopefully 
  eating. I am going to try the immuno-regulin for sure..It might be what 
  we should have done a long time ago..
  Nina, have you bought that from the site you sent to me or do you know 
  someone that has? Just wondering..Please let me know what you all know 
  about this as I want to start that asap.
  Thanks again to you all,
  Kerry and Bandy
  
  
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Re: Please pray for Bandy

[gwork]

But if you the animal isn't getting iron and 
protein, wouldn't that hinder production?

Krishttp://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 6:43 
  PM
  Subject: Re: Please pray for Bandy
  
  
  I don't think that not eating affects PCV much.
  Michelle
  
  In a message dated 6/17/2006 6:42:59 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  It sounds like if he would just 
eat, then his PCV and protein would improve. Even though 22 is lower 
than he was, at least it's still a decentnumber. I guess I'm 
just saying, I personally don't think he is anywhere near being ready to 
cross yet. He just needs help, and that is presenting to be tricky at 
the moment. I wish I knew something to help you, but I don't, but 
still, personally,I think keep on trying, don't give up yet. My 
Spaz was almost gone thrice, but we made it. It seems strange to me 
that he would have a fever but normal WBC, unless his personal count is 
usually lower, so this is actually high for him, but still technically 
within the "normal" range. All I can tell you is that Spaz, when in 
the hospital for her URI, had a temp that would go up and down for about 8 
days, and then finally was able to keep it down. I wish you the best 
for Bandy!
  
  

Re: Please pray for Bandy

[gwork]

I guess we have some conflicting 
information, etc. But that's what this site is for -toshare 
ideas and try to help. Apparently, they are having a hard time figuring 
out what is going on w/ Bandy. As far as fungi and steroids, it depends on 
the fungus. The treatment that was supposed to work had no effect 
whatsoever, so it was evidently something unusual. Steroids can irritate 
some fungal infections, but the fungus showed up there and grew without any 
steroid, so I don't think it "feeds" the fungus. But that is your opinion, 
which we are all entitled to have.

Krishttp://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 7:25 
  PM
  Subject: Re: Please pray for Bandy
  
  
  Most feline anemia is not due to low iron. I myself had low iron anemia 
  for a while, and my iron levels were actually low. But I am vegan, and 
  ona medicine that hinders iron absorbtion, and a menstruating woman. 
  Fasting for a few days does not make people get iron anemic, usually. 
  And vets have told me that cats do not tend to get iron anemic. It may be that 
  it affects it somewhat, but it should not make a big difference in their 
  PCV.
  Michelle
  
  In a message dated 6/17/2006 7:01:01 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
But if you the animal isn't getting iron 
and protein, wouldn't that hinder production?

Kris
  
  

to Nina

[gwork]

Also, thanks for the responses to all 
the other questions. I am still just confused about how the cat gets 
enough protein out of the canned food to stay healthy. Also, is it really 
as bad for their oral health as the vets, etc. say it is? From a human 
standpoint, I know this is not true as I am in the dental field, but I don't 
know if something could be different for cats/animals. It doesn't seem 
like it would, but...

I agree completely that the public, 
as well as the vets in my opinion, need to be educated. Not that I know 
all that much, but I do know some and more than the average person, and mainly, 
I just know my own experiences and what worked, etc., so that is what I want to 
share. Not only about leukemia, but also about ferals. 4 of my cats 
are ferals, and they are just wonderful.

Krishttp://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com

Re: Diagnosed Today

[gwork]

Oh yes, nothing wrong with steroids for treating anemia - that's what Spaz 
had, too, but I think the prednisolone injection is more effective than just 
the tablets, which is what I thought was being used in this case.  I also 
feel like using pred before anemia has even been diagnosed while a cat is 
definitely trying to fight other illnesses is not necessarily the best 
course of action.


Kris
http://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com
- Original Message - 
From: Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 8:59 PM
Subject: Re: Diagnosed Today



   Hi,
  It depends on what is causing the anemia, Bailey was getting high doses 
of pred along with epogen to fight his anemia.


 this is not good as pred is an immune suppressant, not to mention
I don't think it is necessarily the best way of handling anemia 

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Re: OT-Anyone know of safe ways to deal w/ ants?

[gwork]

This reminded me that ants, after finding a good food source, will leave a 
scent for the other ants to follow, so it is important to clean the areas 
where you have seen ants, and find their trail, if possible.  Just 
destroying the scented trail can be very helpful.  Also, just finding the 
entry point and sealing (if possible) can be enough sometimes.


Kris
http://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com
- Original Message - 
From: Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 10:26 AM
Subject: Re: OT-Anyone know of safe ways to deal w/ ants?


I just used vinegar window cleaner, commercial, Windex I think.   Didn't 
wipe it off, just soaked the window sill with it for a couple  of days.  So 
far so good.


Gloria



On Jun 14, 2006, at 9:07 AM, tamara stickler wrote:

Someone once told me Bounce dryer sheets are a good ant repellent,  and 
to put them in the window sills between the windowsI had  such a huge 
colony of the large black ants right outside my dining  rm windows, I put 
two sheets on top of their hills hoping they'd  move away from the house 
a bit...within twenty minutes they had  completely buried both sheets and 
now have a clean fresh linen  smelling wall to wall carpet on the first 
floor of their hill!   They have the snazziest colony for miles!  They 
seemed very  greatful!  (hehee...ol' well.)


Cayenne might work on ants...but squirrels and chipmonks LOVE it!   I 
used it to deter a black snake that refused to relocate.all  it did 
was attrack prey for him to eat...and the squirrels simply  went 
ballistic!  Like crack cocaine to them!


spearmint leaves being good deterrents- sorry...the huge coloney  of 
large black ants that I have.part of their colony is  actually 
located IN my spearmint patch!


One thing that did work...to keep the ants in check...but doesn't 
completely kill the colony (usually)..are nematodes (sp?)  microscopic 
bugs that you can get freeze dried, mix with water to  bring them back to 
life and dump the water down the holes outside.   They attack the larva 
and the ants themselves to some  degree...keeping the colony number down 
to a managable level, but  they won't hurt your garden, birds, other 
animals..etc.For best  results, treat twice a yearif you want you 
can buy enough to  pour around your outside foundationto create a 
barrierdo it  often enough and they will find the ground unpleasant 
to set up  home in...  The plus here is that it actually IS NON TOXIC to 
your  pets, so that if they walk through the wet solution...it won't hurt 
them like toxic over the counter sprays and baits that they can  track in 
on their feet, consume and get sick/die from.


You can get Nematodes online ...http://store.arbico-organics.com/ 
ants.html or check your local feed storeSouthern States carries 
them...well...order forms for them anyway.
Someone recently suggested vinegar... I've also heard Baby powder 
works...but I haven't tried either yet.


Good luck.


Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I  use Grants Ant stakes to keep ants out of the house.

gwork [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm sorry; I should've specified  that 
I intended this mix as an outdoor
spray to prevent ants from even entering the house. Do you think it 
would

still be toxic with the dilution and the fact that you would simply be
wiping a surface with it? What would your recommendation be for the 
ants?


Kris
http://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com
- Original Message -
From: TenHouseCats
To:
Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 9:36 PM
Subject: Re: OT-Anyone know of safe ways to deal w/ ants?


 tea tree oil is toxic to cats!

 On 6/12/06, gwork wrote:

 I have also heard cayenne works, but have never used it. I do
know that
 the
 proper treatment can depend on what type of ants they are. I
also found
 on
 the 'net that 8 oz. of a natural soap (peppermint, lavender, tea
tree)
 mixed
 with 1 oz. essential oil (citronella, cinammon, rose, tea tree) and
 diluted
 with water is supposed to make a good spray/wash. You add 5
tbsp. of
 this
 mix to a quart of water. I wonder if the health food store would
already
 have a premixed solution. I have heard of the boric acid/sugar
mix, but
 that is a killing mixture vs. a deterrent.

 Kris
 http://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com

 - Original Message -
 From: Ashleigh Smith
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 2:46 PM
 Subject: Re: OT-Anyone know of safe ways to deal w/ ants?

 I've heard cayenne works too, but I've never personally used it.

 ~Ashleigh

 Barb Moermond wrote:
 I seem to recall spearmint leaves being good deterrents.

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 All of sudden we have bunches of little red ants in our house.
My hubby
 likes to use Terro, which I don't like at all around the furkids
 my
 human
 kid. Any ideas? Thanks!


 Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito

 My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely
 living

Re: Off antibiotics?

[gwork]

I just google the med., or get the address 
off the boxes/bottles,and get to the manufacturer's site that way. 
One site for allwould be nice! I hope someone knows of such a 
link.

Krishttp://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 8:01 
PM
  Subject: Re: Off antibiotics?
  
  Kris 
  good advice about checking the manufacture recommendations
  do any of you have a site you can check dosage for antibiotics I have two 
  vets and it seems to vary.
  Karen

Re: OT-Anyone know of safe ways to deal w/ ants?

[gwork]

Never heard of them - what are 
they?

Krishttp://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Susan 
  Hoffman 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 9:27 
PM
  Subject: Re: OT-Anyone know of safe ways 
  to deal w/ ants?
  I use Grants Ant stakes to keep ants out of the 
  house.gwork [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
  I'm 
sorry; I should've specified that I intended this mix as an outdoor 
spray to prevent ants from even entering the house. Do you think it 
would still be toxic with the dilution and the fact that you would 
simply be wiping a surface with it? What would your recommendation be 
for the ants?Krishttp://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com- 
Original Message - From: "TenHouseCats" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: <FELVTALK@FELINELEUKEMIA.ORG>Sent: 
Monday, June 12, 2006 9:36 PMSubject: Re: OT-Anyone know of safe ways to 
deal w/ ants? tea tree oil is toxic to cats! 
On 6/12/06, gwork <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: I have 
also heard cayenne works, but have never used it. I do know that 
 the proper treatment can depend on what type of 
ants they are. I also found  on the 'net that 8 oz. 
of a natural soap (peppermint, lavender, tea tree)  
mixed with 1 oz. essential oil (citronella, cinammon, rose, tea 
tree) and  diluted with water is supposed to make a 
good spray/wash. You add 5 tbsp. of  this mix to a 
quart of water. I wonder if the health food store would already 
have a premixed solution. I have heard of the boric acid/sugar mix, 
but that is a killing mixture vs. a 
deterrent. Kris 
http://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com - Original 
Message - From: Ashleigh Smith To: 
felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 2:46 
PM Subject: Re: OT-Anyone know of safe ways to deal w/ 
ants? I've heard cayenne works too, but I've never 
personally used it. 
~Ashleigh Barb Moermond 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: I seem to recall spearmint leaves 
being good deterrents. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote: All of sudden we have bunches of little red ants in our 
house. My hubby likes to use Terro, which I don't like at all 
around the furkids  my  human kid. Any ideas? 
Thanks! Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El 
Bandito Malito "My cat the clown: paying no mind to 
whom he should impress. Merely  living his life, 
doing what pleases him, and making me smile." - 
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kitty manual

[gwork]

Thanks, Wendy!  I only got to look through a little so far, but I can see 
it's definitely going to be helpful, and there are several people I work 
with who I am going to make copies for.


Kris
http://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com
- Original Message - 
From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 9:48 AM
Subject: Re: Chester



Hi Lisa,

My name is Wendy.  I am sorry to hear that your kitty
is sick right now.  Good for you for looking for
another vet!  I think that vets that will speak with
you on the phone are at least worth a visit.  And
those who won't, well...

I am sending you a sick kitty manual with lots of
info. in it in another email (the list won't allow
attachments).  If you have time, check over it before
you go in tonight.  It might have something in it your
vet might use.

I have never used vitamin C with my kitties before,
only because I didn't know about it.  If I had another
with FeLV, I would most definitely put them on it
based on the research and posts that others have made.
Also, get some L-lysine.  It's great for the immune
system.  Just make sure that it does not contain
propynol glycol which does something to kitty's blood;
make sure it's pure lysine.

Please let us know what the vet says tonight.  Prayers
going out for your furbabies.

:)
Wendy
Dallas, Tx

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Re: Bandy and the ringworm

[gwork]

This is not the same situation, but 
Spaz once had a fungal ear infection which the vet attempted to treat with 
Conofite, and it did absolutely nothing. He then gave her a shot of 
Depo-Medrol, and that gave excellent results.

Krishttp://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Kerry 
  Roach 
  To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 9:16 
  AM
  Subject: Bandy and the ringworm
  
  Hi everyone,
  We have been away for awhile, just too much going on with this ringworm 
  and work...it is all I can do to tend to all of that...
  I am sorry for the losses some of you have had recently...you are always 
  in our thoughts and prayers...
  Anyway, bandy's entire face has ringworm on it and I have used almost the 
  whole bottle of conofite...they said I am going to have to give him the 
  fulvicin to get rid of it..I just hate that, but I may have no other 
  choice. The eye drops with the pred in them are keeping it from going 
  away faster..or that is what his eye spec said would happen..I try to keep it 
  off the best I can with cotton balls then put the topical meds for the 
  ringworm on there last with some other eye ointment to keep down 
  infection..Inky (my 19yr old) had it, too, but I his has healed ok as it was 
  on his back..and the hair has already come back...But Bandy is miserable...He 
  has hurt his leg again due to climbing I guess..He is eating good and fever 
  seems to be about the same..he gets that about every 7 to 9 days..so I still 
  give him 1/2 dex pill...and it goes away..
  I forgot to mentiion I think a few weeks ago, we did a complete blood 
  panel on Bandy and it was the first one since last Aug...His PCV was 30.4...so 
  something must be working for that...he is making rbc so that is a positive 
  thing for sure...
  His eyes are clear and he can see some...the pupils don't move...they are 
  stuck in a fixed position, but as long as he is on the pred drops, he should 
  be able to see some..
  He is eating good and playing some..
  I still give him lysine from the pill on each meal with some folic acid 
  and bovine colostrum...also Co Q10...He is on interferon same as since last 
  Aug. and 1/2 cc baytril.
  Please let me know if there is anything else I can try for the 
  ringworm. I put some goldenseal on it too...I just don't know what else 
  to do..I feel so bad for him as I know he hates all the meds for the 
  ringworm..
  Head butts to all your furr babies..and hoping everyone is doing well 
  today..
  Kerry, Bandy, Inky and Angels Buster, Little Rascal and Snoopy
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Re: Off antibiotics?

[gwork]

It sounds like a few things could be 
going on. 1) She isn't on the right antibiotic, 2) she isn't 
ona "strong" enough one (one that can reach deep areas - Clavamox and 
Amoxi are "weaker"), 3) she isn't staying on it long enough, 4) she isn't being 
given the proper dosage. Check the manufacturer's recommendations, not 
just what your doctor tells you. Also, being immuno-compromised, it could 
take a lot longer for her to beat the bacteria. 7-10 days is standard for 
a normal, healthy cat. It may also be sufficient for your + cat sometimes, 
but also maybe not sometimes. I think it is also important to note that it 
isnot bad to have your cat on antibiotics, but only when actually 
necessary. Baytril isone highly effective antibiotic.

Krishttp://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 1:26 
PM
  Subject: Off antibiotics?
  
  Hi,
  I wrote about a week ago with a newly diagnosed 7 month kitten named 
  Lucy. I've read several recommendations that I shouldn't put her back on 
  antibiotics but the problem is that within a week of being off the antibiotics 
  she is deathly ill. Today was day 7 of not being on them and following some of 
  the regimins suggested to boost her immune system and she woke up today with a 
  fever of 106, runny eyes, and barely able to walk. The vet gave me antibiotics 
  again because without them I really believe she would be dead very quickly. 
  For those of you who do recommend no antibiotics, how do you get them well 
  when they get sick right away?
  
  Thanks,
  Maggie

Re: Diagnosed Today

[gwork]

The lethargy could be a sign of anemia - check his gums, or tongue, if 
that's easier - but it could also be that he just doesn't feel well with the 
fever.  Usually if they get too anemic, they won't eat but will eat or lick 
unusual things like litter.  Baytril is a good antibiotic, and I think your 
vet is giving pred in relation to thoughts of anemia, but with his current 
illness, this is not good as pred is an immune suppressant, not to mention I 
don't think it is necessarily the best way of handling anemia.  I would 
switch vets to someone who has a more positive outlook on felv cats, get 
some blood drawn to check RBC/PCV for anemia and other vital stats, and go 
from there.  I have seen internists suggested a lot on this site as well. 
Make sure he is getting the proper dosage and is on the antibiotic long 
enough.  + cats may need to be on meds for extended times.  My cat Spaz 
wasn't diagnosed 'til age 8, and she's almost 14 now.  She had two severe 
rounds with anemia and one bad URI (hospitalized for 9 days), but she's been 
doing great for over 2 years now.  So hopefully that gives you some 
positivity :)  I can assure you everyone on this list will be pulling for 
you!


Kris
http://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com
- Original Message - 
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 2:11 PM
Subject: Diagnosed Today



Hi Guys-
I hope I am posting this the right way.
We just found out today that we are positive.
Chester just turned a year old in April.  We got him after we was weaned 
and

has been inside our house ever since.  I suspect that he got it from his
mother (his mother was an indoor cat-or that's what we were told).  He
didn't show any signs until a few months ago.  He came down with a cold 
and

has been given antibotics for that twice.  When he goes off of it he still
is not normal.  Right now he has a sore throat and fever.  My major 
concern

is his laying around which he never did as a kitten, he just seems
depressed.  Still eating and going to bathroom okay.  Doctor gave me 
Baytril

and Prednisone.  Doctor said that he could last a few months but will get
worse.  I also have another cat, Timmy 6 years old.  Timmy was tested as a
kitten (negative) but not yet recently.  Still keeping both together 
because

if Timmy were going to get it he'd probably already be infected.

I feel horrible.  I just need some support as I am new to this whole 
thing.
Any ideas, suggestions?  What should I do?  Of course I want to keep 
Chester

as long as possible but I don't want him to suffer.  I want to do what's
best for the cat.  Any advice is appreciated.

Thanks,
Lisa
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Re: To Kris

[gwork]

Thank you, thank you!!

Kris
http://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com
- Original Message - 
From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 1:28 PM
Subject: To Kris



I will send it to the [EMAIL PROTECTED]  The list
won't allow attachments so I have to send it directly
(instead of replying).  I will send it tomorrow
evening when I'm back home.  Our WiFi is not working
right down here.

:)
Wendy

--- gwork [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


I don't mean to intrude, but I would really
appreciate a copy of this manual 
as well.  I think I saw on a different note that you
would need a regular 
mail address - is that correct?


Thanks
Kris
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- Original Message - 
From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2006 12:55 PM
Subject: Re: Light positive? Help!


 Kelley,

 Welcome from a fellow Texan.  I haven't read all
the
 replies from everyone yet, but I bet you got more
 info. than you thought you would.  Everyone here
is SO
 awesome, and so knowledgeable.  I hope they were
able
 to help.  If you need anything, just ask.  Also, I
 have a manual I can send you if you'd like.  It's
a
 sick kitty care manual made up of posts from all
the
 members here.  There is a lot of good info. in it.
 Just let me know if you'd like it.  I'm on
vacation,
 but can send it to you at the beginning of next
week
 as it's on my hard drive.

 :)
 Wendy
 Dallas, Tx

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Re: OT-Anyone know of safe ways to deal w/ ants?

[gwork]

I have also heard cayenne works, but 
have never used it. I do know that the proper treatment can depend on what 
type of ants they are. I also found on the 'net that 8 oz. of a 
natural soap (peppermint, lavender, tea tree) mixed with 1 oz. essential oil 
(citronella, cinammon, rose, tea tree) and diluted with water is supposed to 
make a good spray/wash. You add5 tbsp. of this mix to a quart of 
water. I wonder if the health food store would already have a premixed 
solution. I have heard of the boric acid/sugar mix, but that is a killing 
mixture vs. a deterrent.

Krishttp://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Ashleigh 
  Smith 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 2:46 PM
  Subject: Re: OT-Anyone know of safe ways 
  to deal w/ ants?
  
  I've heard cayenne works too, but I've never personally used it.
  
  ~AshleighBarb Moermond [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  I 
seem to recall spearmint leaves being good deterrents.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 

  
  All of sudden we have bunches of little red ants in our house. 
  My hubby likes to use Terro, which I don't like at all around the furkids 
   my human kid. Any ideas? 
Thanks!Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El 
Bandito Malito"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should 
impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me 
smile." - Anonymous 
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Re: Bailey's (or anyone else's) anemia

[gwork]

I was just wondering, Belinda (or anybody else who cares to respond), if 
Bailey made a huge jump in his count at first, then slowly recovered, or how 
it happened?  Spaz jumped into the low 20s within 3 days, then it was more 
slowly over the next several weeks.  I was just wondering in case we should 
have to go through it again that way, and maybe there would be a time when 
she wouldn't recover the same way, so that I wouldn't unnecessarily lose 
hope if it's a slower response.


Kris
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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 8:54 AM
Subject: Re: Mini and Mowgli


   Thank you for sharing that Kris, when Bailey had his anemia he also got 
high doses of Prednisolone along with epogen.  Not absolutely 100% sure 
which made the bigger difference but his bloodcount went back to normal 
after about 6 or 7 weeks also, he only got as low as 15% though.


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Re: spaz

[gwork]

She hasn't been retested since the beginning of all this (almost 6 years 
ago), but it's my understanding that once the virus enters the marrow, it's 
a lifetime deal.  Sort of like herpes.  The body has already past the point 
at which it is able to defeat the virus, and has lost.  The thing that seems 
to be so unique in our situation, as I don't know of one other person yet 
who has experienced it, is that Spaz was asymptomatic and not diagnosed 
until 8 years of age.  Everyone else is receiving their diagnoses during 
kittenhood or very early adulthood, when the susceptibility is apparently 
higher.


Kris
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- Original Message - 
From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 8:57 PM
Subject: Re: spaz



Kris,

14 is an awesome milestone for an FeLV+ cat, and
that's an understatement!  Good for you for taking
such a proactive role with Spaz.  I have a dumb
question for you.  When is the last time that Spaz was
tested for FeLV and was she still positive?  We love
to hear when FeLV+'s throw off the virus!

:)
Wendy

--- Terri Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


awesome.

Terri
  - Original Message - 
  From: catatonyamailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

  To:


felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org


  Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 3:21 PM
  Subject: spaz


  14 years old!  Wow!

  gwork
[EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I need to share the story of my cat, Spaz, with
all of you.  Perhaps it will help someone out there.
 Spaz was diagnosed at 8 years of age with leukemia.
 She was an indoor-only cat, except for one summer
when she was a kitten, from about 8-10 months of
age.  Her PCV was down around 7%, and my vet gave
her an injection of prednisolone.  The response was
almost immediate, and by the next morning, I had a
totally different cat on my hands!  She was totally
fine for over two and half years, then had a mild
bout with anemia again.  We dealt with that through
pred. tablets.  Six months after that, she had
another serious bout with anemia, and our new vet
(we had moved) gave her Depo-Medrol.  It had zero
effect.  It's a rather long story, but I could not
remember the name 'prednisolone' at this time and
could not get my old vet's office to look up her
records.  We tried Interferon and Winstrol, which
did not help.  I FINALLY got the info. from my old
vet, but was told by them and every vet I talked to
that Depo-Medrol and prednisolone will do the same
thing.  Fortunately, my vet was willing to try
anything I wanted, and we did, and it worked again!
So I feel it is of the utmost importance to let
people know that they DO NOT necessarily react the
same when they supposedly should.  As for Spaz, she
suffered some mild problems and a rough upper resp.
infection after this, but she now has been perfectly
healthy for over two years again.  She's almost 14
now!  I feel so tremendously fortunate, and I just
hope I can help someone else.

Kris



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  - Original Message - 
  From: Sherry

DeHaanmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To:
Felvtalkmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Sent: Monday, May 29, 2006 11:24 PM
  Subject: Mini and Mowgli


  We need prayers for these two sweet little
babies,Mini has survived through so much in her
young life and has fought hard against this horrible
disease.She is having a hard time fighting it this
time.Mowgli is having a rough time right now
too,prayers would be appreciated.Thank you.
  Sherry



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Re: Test results and an OT question

[gwork]

The only thing I know is Acepromazine, but I don't know if it would 
interfere with getting accurate readings, etc.  Also, personally, I cannot 
see that it made any difference in the two cats I have used it on.  My cat 
Spaz will run and hide at the mere sound of the carrier, but it is only 
because she has spent so much time at the vet's being poked on (blood 
drawings, mostly).  Also, my four other former ferals are afraid of the 
carrier, but that's more understandable.
Is your cat nervous when you try to get her to take her to the vet, or does 
she get nervous once there in the presence of the techs/vet?


Kris
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- Original Message - 
From: Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2006 6:25 PM
Subject: Re: Test results and an OT question


I haven't followed this closely but I have a question:  Is it possible to 
give the cat some sort of mild sedative before taking it to the vet's to 
avoid the stress reaction?  I try to give mine Rescue Remedy just because 
she absolutely hates vets.  I don't know what happened to her before she 
came to live with me but she is the only critter (dog or cat) that starts 
trembling at the thought of going to the vet.  Her current vets have given 
her no reason to be so frightened.  Like I said, just a thought.







If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who
will deal likewise with 
their fellow man.
 St. 
Francis
- Original Message - 
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2006 3:37 PM
Subject: Re: Test results and an OT question


Cats can develop heart murmurs JUST from the stress of being at the vet's 
office (one
they don't actually have normally). Try to find a vet that can come to 
your home and

examine her without the stress of a car ride and the vet's office.

You might get some good support from the Handicats2 yahoogroup... they 
have all kinds

of disabilities there.
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Phaewryn

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Re: spaz

[gwork]

Yes, that sounds just about exactly like Spaz.  I was told that it's 
possible she had the virus since kittenhood, but it remained dormant. 
Oddly, her sister Gizmo is negative, so it seems unlikely that she got it as 
a little kitten, like from their mother.  I have had them both since about 9 
weeks of age.  But perhaps she had a contact that Gizmo didn't have, or 
Gizmo was simply able to defeat the virus if she had contact, the one summer 
I let them out when they were about 8-10 months old.  But it just seems like 
she would've displayed symptoms at that time.  So who knows!  But, yes, I 
was very devastated when we found out.  I naively thought we would just go 
to the doctor and she would just get fixed right up.  I knew there had to be 
others out there with similar stories, but I just haven't come across them 
yet.


Kris
http://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com
- Original Message - 
From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2006 3:04 PM
Subject: Re: spaz



Kris,
There have been other kitties on the list that were diagnosed later in 
life.  I can remember one case where the cat in question was an inside 
only cat with no known association with cats having felv.  One possibility 
is that they are carrying the disease sequestered in their bone marrow 
without displaying symptoms, (they can also test neg using ELISA, under 
this circumstance).  Then, one terrible day, it rears it's ugly head.  The 
cat becomes sick, does not recover as expected, is tested, and gets a pos 
result.  How very shocking that must be.  One of my rescued felv litter 
kittens, Tim, tested neg and this could be what's going on with him.  I 
choose to consider him my miracle boy anyway.  There is something called a 
PCR test that is suppose to be better at diagnosing felv, (there is debate 
about it's effectiveness because of possible errors in evaluating/running 
the test) and there is a bone marrow test that is more invasive that can 
be done.

Nina

gwork wrote:

She hasn't been retested since the beginning of all this (almost 6 years 
ago), but it's my understanding that once the virus enters the marrow, 
it's a lifetime deal.  Sort of like herpes.  The body has already past 
the point at which it is able to defeat the virus, and has lost.  The 
thing that seems to be so unique in our situation, as I don't know of one 
other person yet who has experienced it, is that Spaz was asymptomatic 
and not diagnosed until 8 years of age.  Everyone else is receiving their 
diagnoses during kittenhood or very early adulthood, when the 
susceptibility is apparently higher.


Kris

Re: LOST OF OUR BELOVED [SASSY]

[gwork]

My cat predominantly had lethargy and 
loss of appetite due to anemia. It was very hard for us to tell, too, but 
when she stopped eating tuna I definitely knew something was wrong. 
Actually, I knew something was before then, but didn't listen to myself. 
But I have been told that others sneeze a lot. I think also, as felv is an 
immune suppressor, it could really indirectly present itself through a number of 
secondary illnesses. Upper respiratory seem to be rather common. I 
have read that anemia (causing lethargy and loss of appetite) is the most 
common. I'm really sorry for your loss.

Krishttp://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  joe o 
  
  To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2006 7:21 PM
  Subject: LOST OF OUR BELOVED 
[SASSY]
  
  Hi all,
   Just join this site after losing our 
  beloved [Sassy] to Feline LeukemiaWe did not even know she had it. 
  Weare wondering if there are symptoms that we should have been looking 
  for. I know it is to late for her now. But I would be able to tell others 
  about them. Thanks for this Web Site  thanks forany infothat 
  I receive
  
   
  Joe

Re: Test results and an OT question

[gwork]

So glad your little one retested neg!  I agree with your vet about retesting 
your other cats, but personally, I would still have them vaccinated.  I 
don't know anything about heart murmurs, but as far as the teeth go, does 
the vet feel it will be detrimental to her oral health or ability to eat, 
etc.  The reason I ask is because I am a dental lab technician and I know of 
cases where labs, vets, and dentists have worked together to restore 
feline/canine teeth.


Kris
http://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com
- Original Message - 
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2006 3:11 PM
Subject: Test results and an OT question



Hi guys,

I took 5 kittens/cats in to be tested today.  The little girl who
previously tested pos tested negative today.  So did all her
littermates and the unrelated cat.  Very, very good news.  I still
don't understand how one who tested positive 3 days ago tested
negative today, but she did.

The vet at the clinic feels it is unnecessary at this point to have
cats in my home who have previously tested negative re-tested.  Do you
agree?

Also, unfortunately, one little girl I took in was diagnosed with a
heart murmur, so they would not inoculate her.  The vet also stated
she had some genetic abnormalities - asymmetric pupils and teeth that
curve in instead of going straight downI'm very worried about her now
as she is the love of my life.  Do any of yall know of any good web
resources on heart murmurs?  I'm taking her in for a second opinion
next weekend.

I wanted to thank everyone for being there for me the last few days.
You are an awesome group of people.  I learned a lot about this
disease, too.

Thanks so much,

Kelley

Re: Light positive? Help!

[gwork]

I don't mean to intrude, but I would really appreciate a copy of this manual 
as well.  I think I saw on a different note that you would need a regular 
mail address - is that correct?


Thanks
Kris
http://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com
- Original Message - 
From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2006 12:55 PM
Subject: Re: Light positive? Help!



Kelley,

Welcome from a fellow Texan.  I haven't read all the
replies from everyone yet, but I bet you got more
info. than you thought you would.  Everyone here is SO
awesome, and so knowledgeable.  I hope they were able
to help.  If you need anything, just ask.  Also, I
have a manual I can send you if you'd like.  It's a
sick kitty care manual made up of posts from all the
members here.  There is a lot of good info. in it.
Just let me know if you'd like it.  I'm on vacation,
but can send it to you at the beginning of next week
as it's on my hard drive.

:)
Wendy
Dallas, Tx

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Re: Treatment

[gwork]

I just want to add a note that if you do try Depo-Medrol, and don't get a 
good response, definitely try prednisolone (injectable prednisone).  I 
noticed that someone else posted that their cat had been give pred. (along 
with chemo) and had good results.  My situation was completely different 
than this, but Depo-Medrol did NOTHING for us while pred. saved my cat's 
life.  The doctors will tell you that they should do the same thing, but for 
whatever reason, they did NOT do the same for us.  Best wishes and prayers 
for your kitty!


Kris
http://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com
- Original Message - 
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2006 9:17 AM
Subject: Re: Treatment



Hi Julia!

I would get her to an oncologist as soon as you can...mediastinal
lymphoma (tumor in the chest cavity) is very responsive to chemo.  If
you can find an emergency vet that has vincristine in stock (one of the
chemo drugs), see if they will administer that to her...the longer her
chest fills with fluid, the harder it will be for her to breath...chemo
kicks in fast.  If you have to wait to see an oncologist, you can start
her on prednisone (a steroid) to help shrink the tumor in the
meantime...depo medrol is also another good steriod you can probably use
in an emergency until you can get her to an oncologist, as well!

You guys are in my thoughts!

Jen


But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be
unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You
become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de
Saint-Exupéry

If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know
each other.  If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what
you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. --Chief Dan
George

The flame that burns twice as bright burns half as long... --Blade 
Runner


- Original Message -
From: Julia Hagstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Saturday, June 10, 2006 11:38 pm
Subject: Treatment
To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org


I have a 9-month-old kitten who has been diagnosed with Feline
Leukemia.  She has fluid in her lungs and a mass in her chest.
What
can I do for her???

Julia Hagstrom
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: For those who mix positive/negative

[gwork]

I have also had a mixed house for 
almost 6 years now - just vaccinate the negatives.

Krishttp://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Noelle Ehrenkaufer 
  
  To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 3:32 
  PM
  Subject: For those who mix 
  positive/negative
  
  As I mentioned before I have two kittens who were 
  abandoned that I took in. Both are about 5 months now. I found Loca when she 
  was only about 2 weeks, Flaco was probably 2.5-3 months whenwe found 
  him. They have always been together and are buddies. The vet recently 
  recommended testing for leukemia, Locatested positive, Flaco 
  negative.
  
  Afterresearching the archives here and 
  elsewhere and giving it a lot of thought, I have decided not to separate them. 
  Logistically it would not be easy and I just can't bear to see Loca separated 
  from the others like that. We also have an adult cat who is like a dad to them 
  and 3 dogs that get along fine with the cats.
  
  I am wondering what others do in this situation 
  to minimize the risk of transmission to Flaco. When they eat I always keep an 
  eye on them to keep them out of each others' plates, but there's really 
  nothing I can do about the water dishes. I try to discourage her from grooming 
  him if I see it. I usually pick her up and cuddle her instead, which she 
  loves. My vet also recommended giving the FeLV vaccine to Flaco. Does anyone 
  else have thoughts on this?
  
  I just wanted to also share a comment from my 
  Chilean boyfriend. We live in Chile where there is even less information 
  available about this disease. He said that we are very lucky that I speak 
  English and was able to find this site. I have been sharing some of what I 
  have learned from this site and he was really impressed with the wealth of 
  knowledge here and thewillingness of members to help 
others.

Re: need prayers for my Bella's babies

[gwork]

Would they possibly some of the 
Nutri-Cal, the high calorie vitamin/mineral supplement stuff?

Krishttp://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Hideyo Yamamoto 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 4:13 
PM
  Subject: RE: need prayers for my Bella's 
  babies
  
  
  
  Hi, everyone, I would 
  like to ask for prayers and healing energy for my Bella’s babies.. there are a 
  little over 9 weeks old now, and I noticed that they are pretty skinny.. I can 
  feel spin and ribs on most of them.. and especially two babies, Waku and Waka 
  are very very skinny and I am very worried about them… they all still nurse 
  with Bella,, and they do eat weaned food.. but not enough.. and I just don’t 
  know what’s wrong.. I just know that they are way to skinny.. do you have any 
  idea what’s going on? I started to syringe feed them recently, 
  too. I haven’t done stool testing or anything like that yet and I am thinking 
  of brining them to a vet this week… Waka is also not too active.. though she 
  does not act ill so much or anything.. please pray for them that they are 
  going to be okay …
  
  Hideyo

Re: spaz

[gwork]

Yeah, that's pretty 
much what the doctors have said, too :). One commented that she is like 
the Energizer Bunny - just keeps goin', and goin', and goin'. I just want 
to thank everybody for all the information they share on this list because I 
have learned some things that I know will be helpful in the future. It's 
hard to find people who care this much for the animals.

Krishttp://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Terri 
  Brown 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 3:35 
PM
  Subject: Re: spaz
  
  
  awesome.
  
  Terri
  
- Original Message - 
From: catatonya 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 

Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 3:21 
PM
Subject: spaz
14 years old! Wow!gwork [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 

  
  

  I need to share the story of my 
  cat, Spaz, with all of you. Perhaps it will help someone out 
  there. Spaz was diagnosed at 8 years of age with leukemia. She 
  was an indoor-only cat, except for one summer when she was a kitten, from 
  about 8-10 months of age. Her PCV was down around 7%, and my vet 
  gave her an injection of prednisolone. The response was almost 
  immediate, and by the next morning, I had a totally different cat on my 
  hands! She was totally fine for over two andhalf years, then 
  had a mild bout with anemia again. We dealt with that through pred. 
  tablets. Six months after that, she had another serious bout with 
  anemia, andour new vet (we had moved) gave her Depo-Medrol. It 
  had zero effect. It's a rather long story, but I could not remember 
  the name 'prednisolone' at this time and could not get my old vet's office 
  to look up her records. We tried Interferon and Winstrol, which did 
  not help. I FINALLY got the info. from my old vet, but was told by 
  them and every vet I talked to that Depo-Medrol and prednisolone will do 
  the same thing. Fortunately, my vet was willing to try anything I 
  wanted, and we did, and it worked again! So I feel it is of the 
  utmost importance to let people know that they DO NOT necessarily react 
  the same when they supposedly should. As for Spaz, she suffered some 
  mild problems and a rough upper resp. infection after this, but she now 
  has been perfectly healthy for over two years again. She's 
  almost14 now! I feel so tremendously fortunate, and I just 
  hope I can help someone else.
  
  Krishttp://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Sherry DeHaan 
To: Felvtalk 
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2006 11:24 
PM
Subject: Mini and Mowgli

We need prayers for these two sweet little babies,Mini has survived 
through so much in her young life and has fought hard against this 
horrible disease.She is having a hard time fighting it this time.Mowgli 
is having a rough time right now too,prayers would be appreciated.Thank 
you.
Sherry


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Re: Kitten newly diagnosed

[gwork]

I definitely agree about not keeping 
her on antibiotics and starting supplements. I don't know enough about 
Interferon to comment, but I will say as far as antibiotics go, make sure she is 
getting the proper dosage and staying on for the proper length of time. 
Not just what your vet says, but what the manufacturer says. I once 
discovered the vet was not giving Spaz enough of the med (I understand their 
desire to use the least effective dose, but you still have to give enough to 
kill the infection) and also that it could sometimes take extended periods of 
time in severe cases to fully eradicate the bacteria. Obviously, you don't 
want to use more than you need, but you also don't want to not fully eliminate 
the cause and let it gain strength again when her immune system isn't able to 
effectively fight it off once you stop the antibiotics. Being 
immuno-compromised, it will be harder for her to fight things off. Spaz 
was in the hospital for 9 days with her URI, and though her fever finally stayed 
down and she would eat, etc., she did not entirely stop sneezing for a whole 
month. By contrast, her sister, Gizmo (not felv+), caught the same 
infection (dirty humidifier filter), showing symptoms after Spaz and she was 
over it completely within the week. Anyway, best wishes for you and your 
little one!

Krishttp://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 11:11 
AM
  Subject: Re: Kitten newly diagnosed
  
  I definitely would NOT keep her on antibiotics 
  once the infection has cleared. Continuous use of antibiotics destroys 
  an immune system, leads to resistance making these sweeties far too 
  susceptible to future infections. 
  I highly recommend that you start her on Interferon, as well as a 
  combination of vitamin/mineral supplements to boost her immune system. I 
  have had FeLV positive cats in rescue that were much worse off than Lucy 
  completely turn around and live asymptomatic without the need to for 
  antibiotics. 
  
  Please email me privately if you would like to know what my regimen is 
  for FeLV cats.
  
  ~ Rachel
  
  Operation Foster Felixwww.operationfosterfelix.orgSharing Our Hearts, Homes  Litter Boxes 
  
  "If you talk to the animals they will talk with 
  you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will 
  not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one 
  destroys." --Chief Dan George
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 

Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 10:22 
AM
Subject: Kitten newly diagnosed

Hi,
I adopted sisters, Lucy and Izzie, from a shelter at 4 months old. 
Without going into too much detail, they are now 7 months old and I have 
just learned that Lucy is positive. She is symptomatic, she had a high fever 
and URI in the beginning of May, went on antibiotics, but within a few days 
of being off the antibiotics she had a fever of 105.5, had difficulty 
walking, went from 5.9 pounds to 5.1 in a very short period of time, and was 
one depressed little kitty. She went on antibiotics last Monday and was 
diagnosed as positive that day. She has really perked up, she's gained most 
of the weight back, is running, jumping, and playing with Izzie, but the vet 
seems to think that as soon as she goes of the antibiotics she will most 
likely get sick again.

I had Izzie tested and she is negative. After many discussions with 
three different vets I decided to keep them together as it seems most likely 
Izzie caught it and fought it already. I've made the decision that the 
quality of their life together is what's most important right now and hoping 
that Izzie stays negative. 

There seems to be a lot of conflicting pieces of information out there. 
Does Interferon work for kitties who are symptomatic? One of the vets 
suggested I just keep Lucy on antibiotics until they stopped working, he 
thought Interferon wouldn't help as she had advanced this far. 

I would appreciate your thoughts on this.

Maggie

Re: fleas, Frontline and FeLV

[gwork]

I was always told the flea dirt was flea excrement/waste.  You can see 
those flecks or droppings anywhere the animal has been as they drop off the 
body.  At any rate, I agree that if someone is seeing them without having to 
look very hard, there is an infestation that needs attention ASAP.


Kris
http://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com
- Original Message - 
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 12:45 AM
Subject: Re: fleas, Frontline and FeLV


I would treat them all if they have been exposed to the dog which is known 
to have
fleas. Frontline is a good choice. I would NOT use Revolution in a immune 
compromised
cat. I assume by black nits you mean the black flecks you see in/on the 
coat, also
sometimes called flea dirt. It's actually dried BLOOD from the flea 
bites. If it's
enough for you to SEE it without digging through the coat, the dog is 
indeed INFESTED

BADLY and being EATEN ALIVE by this point.

Phaewryn (was Jenn, changed name)
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http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
Adopt a cat from Little Cheetah (UCAT) Cat Rescue:
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PLEASE DONATE TO THE TANGLE FUND:
Tangle is a cat in Greece that was severely injured when someone wrapped 
wire around

his neck to strangle him,
Little Cheetah Cat Rescue is raising funds to bring Tangle to Vermont to 
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good home!
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Re: fleas, Frontline and FeLV

[gwork]

Exactly - good, glad to know I wasn't 
mistaken all these years :)

Krishttp://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Ashleigh 
  Smith 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 4:55 PM
  Subject: Re: fleas, Frontline and 
  FeLV
  
  Yes, flea dirt is excrement. If you put a bit on a wet paper towel, 
  you will see it turn red (because of the blood in it.) That's how you 
  can tell it isn't real dirt, but flea excrement. 
  
  I use Frontline every 3 months as a preventative measure, and Bella has 
  never had fleas.
  
  ~Ashleighgwork [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  I 
was always told the "flea dirt" was flea excrement/waste. You can see 
those flecks or droppings anywhere the animal has been as they drop off 
the body. At any rate, I agree that if someone is seeing them without 
having to look very hard, there is an infestation that needs attention 
ASAP.Krishttp://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com- Original 
Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: 
Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 12:45 
AMSubject: Re: fleas, Frontline and FeLVI would treat 
them all if they have been exposed to the dog which is known to 
have fleas. Frontline is a good choice. I would NOT use Revolution 
in a immune  compromised cat. I assume by black nits you 
mean the black flecks you see in/on the  coat, also 
sometimes called "flea dirt". It's actually dried BLOOD from the flea 
 bites. If it's enough for you to SEE it without digging 
through the coat, the dog is  indeed INFESTED BADLY and 
being EATEN ALIVE by this point. Phaewryn (was Jenn, changed 
name) http://ucat.us 
http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Adopt a cat from Little Cheetah 
(UCAT) Cat Rescue: http://ucat.us/adopt.html PLEASE DONATE 
TO THE TANGLE FUND: Tangle is a cat in Greece that was severely 
injured when someone wrapped  wire around his neck to 
strangle him, Little Cheetah Cat Rescue is raising funds to bring 
Tangle to Vermont to  find him a good home! 
http://ucat.us/tangle-fund.html DONATE: We could really use a power 
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Re: Mini and Mowgli

[gwork]

I need to share the story of my cat, 
Spaz, with all of you. Perhaps it will help someone out there. Spaz 
was diagnosed at 8 years of age with leukemia. She was an indoor-only cat, 
except for one summer when she was a kitten, from about 8-10 months of 
age. Her PCV was down around 7%, and my vet gave her an injection of 
prednisolone. The response was almost immediate, and by the next morning, 
I had a totally different cat on my hands! She was totally fine for over 
two andhalf years, then had a mild bout with anemia again. We dealt 
with that through pred. tablets. Six months after that, she had another 
serious bout with anemia, andour new vet (we had moved) gave her 
Depo-Medrol. It had zero effect. It's a rather long story, but I 
could not remember the name 'prednisolone' at this time and could not get my old 
vet's office to look up her records. We tried Interferon and Winstrol, 
which did not help. I FINALLY got the info. from my old vet, but was told 
by them and every vet I talked to that Depo-Medrol and prednisolone will do the 
same thing. Fortunately, my vet was willing to try anything I wanted, and 
we did, and it worked again! So I feel it is of the utmost importance to 
let people know that they DO NOT necessarily react the same when they supposedly 
should. As for Spaz, she suffered some mild problems and a rough upper 
resp. infection after this, but she now has been perfectly healthy for over two 
years again. She's almost14 now! I feel so tremendously 
fortunate, and I just hope I can help someone else.

Krishttp://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Sherry 
  DeHaan 
  To: Felvtalk 
  Sent: Monday, May 29, 2006 11:24 PM
  Subject: Mini and Mowgli
  
  We need prayers for these two sweet little babies,Mini has survived 
  through so much in her young life and has fought hard against this horrible 
  disease.She is having a hard time fighting it this time.Mowgli is having a 
  rough time right now too,prayers would be appreciated.Thank you.
  Sherry
  
  
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