RE: multiple copies of emails
I am getting multiples. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@vlists.net To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: multiple copies of emails Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 09:12:43 EST MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from vlists.net ([208.186.168.62]) by mc3-f13.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Wed, 9 Feb 2005 07:00:00 -0800 Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j19ExdS30784for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 08:59:49 -0600 Received: by vps.vlists.net (TLB v0.11a (1.26 tibbs 1998/09/22 04:41:41)); Wed, 09 Feb 2005 08:55:44 -0600 (CST) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j19EDY226978for felvtalk-utils; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 08:13:34 -0600 Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j19ED8c26796for felvtalk@vlists.net; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 08:13:18 -0600 Received: from [EMAIL PROTECTED] imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id x.199.387b5133 (4584) for felvtalk@vlists.net; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 09:12:43 -0500 (EST) X-Message-Info: 6sSXyD95QpXmNj7AZldPthh7Hb46Sf4xZFbQs1tz3BA= X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 46 Virus-Information: Virus Scanned By VLists.Net For Your Protection. Virus-Status: VLists.Net Found No Virus Spam-Status: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.176, required 5, AWL -0.23,BAYES_20 -1.95, NO_REAL_NAME 0.01) Precedence: list Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Feb 2005 15:00:05.0334 (UTC) FILETIME=[09EEBF60:01C50EB8] Is everyone else gettng multiple copies of every email? Who needs to be notified of this? Michelle
Re: Wellness - is it any good anymore?
Wellness never admitted to any problem. They just said that my cats probably did not like the change in water from the new plant (Boston). If your cats do well on it, I would just chalk it up to a fluke. I did change mine to Eagle Pack and never regretted it. They look the best and have tons of energy. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@vlists.net To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: Re: Wellness - is it any good anymore? Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 16:53:24 EST MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from vlists.net ([208.186.168.62]) by mc4-f7.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Wed, 9 Feb 2005 13:53:42 -0800 Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j19Lrgp08699for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 15:53:42 -0600 Received: by vps.vlists.net (TLB v0.11a (1.26 tibbs 1998/09/22 04:41:41)); Wed, 09 Feb 2005 15:53:41 -0600 (CST) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j19LreE08512for felvtalk-utils; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 15:53:40 -0600 Received: from imo-m23.mx.aol.com (imo-m23.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.4])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j19LrWc08265for felvtalk@vlists.net; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 15:53:33 -0600 Received: from [EMAIL PROTECTED] imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id x.42.62851fd1 (2168) for felvtalk@vlists.net; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 16:53:25 -0500 (EST) X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jFBtMZFFstzpgwc+hA/nCLDUp4zvDfPOfo= X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 113 Virus-Information: Virus Scanned By VLists.Net For Your Protection. Virus-Status: VLists.Net Found No Virus Spam-Status: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.484, required 5,ADDR_NUMS_AT_BIGSITE 0.08, AWL 0.03, BAYES_00 -2.60,NO_REAL_NAME 0.01) Precedence: list Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Feb 2005 21:53:42.0430 (UTC) FILETIME=[D21313E0:01C50EF1] Dear Faye: Where is the new plant located that was having problems? Have the problems been resolved? I feed my furids a raw-based diet, but when I do have to feed a commercial canned food, I have fed and continue to feed Wellness without problems. I do hope the new owners don't mess with the recipes/formulation and continue to use human-grade ingredients as has been proclaimed in the past. Of the original flavors my most finicky kitty prefers the Turkey Salmon. The three new flavors that became available more recently (Chicken Lobster, Sardines, Shrimp Ccrab, and Salmon Trout) were all well-received, but noticed on those labels that the very first line before ingredients are given, which used to say Made With Human-grade Ingredients, on the new flavors reads Made with Healthy Ingrediets. The original flavors (Chicken, Beef Chicken, Turkey, Turkey Salmon all still say the former. Wellness is one of the few commercial cat foods that (at least in the past) does not contain any grains, so it was a bit distressing to learn that they had been adding brown rice to some of the flavors without it being included on the label. Not that brown rice is a real no-no because I sometimes add some pureed brown rice or quinoa to my raw recipes, but in a much reduced quantity to the grains that are put into most commercial pet foods. Anyone know how many plants they have and where they are located? I keep a file of sample labels from all the canned foods (and dry, too) I come across for comparison. I don't see any info or coding on the Wellness label that would indicate which factory or batch no. a particular can of food came from. Where would this number or code be...on the case or ?? Sally in San Jose
Re: Feline leukemia in Florida Panthers
I think is still found in panthers--although I think Florida panthers are now extinct. I had a vet who used to call Simba a Florida Panther. LOL From: Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@vlists.net To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: Re: Feline leukemia in Florida Panthers Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 06:53:38 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from vlists.net ([208.186.168.62]) by mc4-f23.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Tue, 8 Feb 2005 08:41:10 -0800 Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j18Gf9310498for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 10:41:09 -0600 Received: by vps.vlists.net (TLB v0.11a (1.26 tibbs 1998/09/22 04:41:41)); Tue, 08 Feb 2005 10:41:04 -0600 (CST) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j18EuN710083for felvtalk-utils; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 08:56:23 -0600 Received: from smeagol.dreamhost.com ([EMAIL PROTECTED] [66.33.209.5])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j18Erhc05854for felvtalk@vlists.net; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 08:53:43 -0600 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [216.251.104.107])by smeagol.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5193A23BBAfor felvtalk@vlists.net; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 06:53:40 -0800 (PST) X-Message-Info: 6sSXyD95QpWkoHehmXkF0PvYSkxaZrxyVzgbWEJAh14= Organization: http://www.bemikitties.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Virus-Information: Virus Scanned By VLists.Net For Your Protection. Virus-Status: VLists.Net Found No Virus Spam-Status: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.564, required 5,autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.04, BAYES_00 -2.60) Precedence: list Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Feb 2005 16:41:10.0452 (UTC) FILETIME=[FE9C8F40:01C50DFC] I understood FeLV was first discovered in wild cats, many, many years ago, will have to ask my vet about this one?? -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: Feline leukemia in Florida Panthers
I recently saw a journal citation about feline leukemia and panthers. If you do a pubmed.com search or perhaps a medline, you might be able to find it. That is where I do most of my search. If get a chance I will try to find the citations I saw. I did not see the actual articles. However, the citations indicated that FeLV had indeed been found in panthers but I was thinking they were South American panthers that had it. I did check, Florida Panthers are not extinct--Yet. From: Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@vlists.net To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: Re: Feline leukemia in Florida Panthers Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 12:12:34 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from vlists.net ([208.186.168.62]) by mc4-f9.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Tue, 8 Feb 2005 12:13:32 -0800 Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j18KDVk15969for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 14:13:31 -0600 Received: by vps.vlists.net (TLB v0.11a (1.26 tibbs 1998/09/22 04:41:41)); Tue, 08 Feb 2005 14:13:26 -0600 (CST) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j18KDO015851for felvtalk-utils; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 14:13:24 -0600 Received: from pippin.dreamhost.com ([EMAIL PROTECTED] [66.33.211.27])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j18KCfc15545for felvtalk@vlists.net; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 14:12:42 -0600 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [216.251.104.107])by pippin.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E5CD16D207for felvtalk@vlists.net; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 12:12:36 -0800 (PST) X-Message-Info: 6sSXyD95QpWBNGslBPyZ9ccbp776aPbFBKFia9cc0B4= Organization: http://www.bemikitties.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Virus-Information: Virus Scanned By VLists.Net For Your Protection. Virus-Status: VLists.Net Found No Virus Spam-Status: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.565, required 5,autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.03, BAYES_00 -2.60) Precedence: list Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Feb 2005 20:13:32.0475 (UTC) FILETIME=[A972F8B0:01C50E1A] Will let you know when I get a chance to talk to her. -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
RE: Simon passed away
Michelle, I am crying as I write this post. I feel much more compassion for you than Simon. He is okay. He is in a better place where he isn't sick anymore. I know you feel horrible and responsible for his death but I genuinely suspect, his heart just gave out. Afterall, he has been through a lot. He may not have made it through the night even if you had done nothing. He was probably hanging by a thread. I believe by giving him permission to go, you released him. More so than the shot. It was his time and he was ready. I know that does not make it any easier for you. I feel so bad for your loss and the pain I know you are going through. You, like everyone on this board, try so hard and do the absolute best you can to fight this horrible disease. You never made any decision for Simon that wasn't in his potential best interest and there was nothing you didn't try for him. Please be kind to yourself. I am not a huggy person but please accept my hugs. I am sorry and wish there was more I could do. Faye From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@vlists.net To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: Simon passed away Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 16:47:32 EST MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from vlists.net ([208.186.168.62]) by mc2-f40.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Sat, 5 Feb 2005 13:48:01 -0800 Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j15Lm1N02295for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 15:48:01 -0600 Received: by vps.vlists.net (TLB v0.11a (1.26 tibbs 1998/09/22 04:41:41)); Sat, 05 Feb 2005 15:48:00 -0600 (CST) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j15LlxL02199for felvtalk-utils; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 15:47:59 -0600 Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com (imo-m21.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.2])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j15Llrg02100for felvtalk@vlists.net; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 15:47:53 -0600 Received: from [EMAIL PROTECTED] imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id x.1f0.34f68258 (3980) for felvtalk@vlists.net; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 16:47:32 -0500 (EST) X-Message-Info: 6sSXyD95QpUugJ60Tj1k9bQf/jnHT0g1qGFviUkUKAw= X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 46 Virus-Information: Virus Scanned By VLists.Net For Your Protection. Virus-Status: VLists.Net Found No Virus Spam-Status: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.446, required 5, AWL 0.15,BAYES_00 -2.60, NO_REAL_NAME 0.01) Precedence: list Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Feb 2005 21:48:01.0315 (UTC) FILETIME=[5D1A0F30:01C50BCC] I had given him 1/2 dose of the tranquilizer I had here about 3 hours earlier, maybe more. It was only supposed to last one hour, even at full dose. I think he was unconscious the whole time, though it was hard to tell because his eyes were open but they can be under this tranquilizer. About 1/2 hour ago, while waiting for Gray to get home with more steroids, which I had decided to try as a last resort since getting his blood test results from Thursday and finding out that he likely was having an auto-immune response and killing his own red blood cells. he had already gotten large doses of steroids, but there was a disagreement as to whether he should get 1/2 cc or 1 cc of depo and he had gotten only 1/2. So gray went and got another 1/2 cc from someone I know who had it. when he got back, Simon still seemed unconscious. I suggested I give him the dep and then we turn him over. I gave him the depo shot sub-q. he did not move, but a second later his stomach mildly convulsed twice and he stopped breathing and was gone. While gray was gone, after reading an email about this, I put my hands on Simon and told him it was ok to go if he needed to. That was probably about 10 minutes before he went. It was very peaceful and fast, but also kind of shocking as I would have thought he would have cried or had open-mouthed breathing before passing away, and he did not. I guess because he was tranquilized. I do not see how a sub q shot of steroids could have had any medical effect within a second or two, but it is hard not to think that my poking him with the shot made him pass away, as he did so immediately afterwards. I was trying to help him, but I was giving him more than the oncologist had recommended (I had done so a month ago also, and figured if I had not disobeyed instructions then he would not have rebounded) and it is hard not to feel it pushed him over the edge. Harder than that, though, is the thought that the last thing I did before he died was stick him with a needle. And that he had not crashed until I took him to the vet on Thursday, and crashed even more after his ordeal at the oncologist's on Friday. Had I known he really was going to die, I would never have put him through that. I had considered not going to the oncologist and just giving him steroids at home, and wish that I had. The oncologist had said there might be something they could do, that maybe a transfusion would help him or he
Re: Lysine question
A variation of ferozar's method is split the capsule, take a tiny drop of cat food and roll in the portion of the lysine you want to feed and form a tiny pill and then pill him like you would a regular pill. Keep doing this until all of the lysine you want to use is used up. This helps if they will not eat. I have done this with cranberry powder on my older cat. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@vlists.net To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: Re: Lysine question Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 10:03:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from vlists.net ([208.186.168.62]) by mc7-f25.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Fri, 4 Feb 2005 07:03:43 -0800 Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j14F3hd03482for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 09:03:43 -0600 Received: by vps.vlists.net (TLB v0.11a (1.26 tibbs 1998/09/22 04:41:41)); Fri, 04 Feb 2005 09:03:41 -0600 (CST) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j14F3fC03295for felvtalk-utils; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 09:03:41 -0600 Received: from mxsf16.cluster1.charter.net (mxsf16.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.216])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j14F3Uo03057for felvtalk@vlists.net; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 09:03:30 -0600 Received: from mxip04.cluster1.charter.net (mxip04a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.134])by mxsf16.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j14F3EEn027712for felvtalk@vlists.net; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 10:03:14 -0500 Received: from fep06.charter.net (HELO 209.225.8.224) (209.225.8.86) by mxip04.cluster1.charter.net with SMTP; 04 Feb 2005 10:03:14 -0500 X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jHojnu/EBacNteL03rYOlOeLKsi4H4zYI4= X-Ironport-AV: i=3.88,179,1102309200;d=scan'208; a=618195479:sNHT13427010 X-Mailer: Openwave WebEngine, version 2.8.12 (webedge20-101-197-20030912) Virus-Information: Virus Scanned By VLists.Net For Your Protection. Virus-Status: VLists.Net Found No Virus Spam-Status: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-1.279, required 5, AWL 0.07,BAYES_00 -2.60, NO_REAL_NAME 0.01, RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO 1.25) Precedence: list Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Feb 2005 15:03:43.0531 (UTC) FILETIME=[B7EC37B0:01C50ACA] Another thing, is there a ton of sensitivity warnings on the package? Depending on how sensitive it is to light and air you can break open the capsules (its usually really easy) and split that in half and mix with whatever he likes to eat. You can maybe save the other half (but I don't know if it will go bad) Or you can make it into a liquid...I can tell you how if you want. But it'll be alot of typing so let me know :) Kristi From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/02/04 Fri AM 08:55:20 EST To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: Lysine question I have been giving Simon 250 mg (hal a tablet) of Lysine twice a day for a few weeks with his pred, and it has seemed to help him (he was sneezing a lot before that). I ran out and got more from the health food store, the only bottle they had left, and got home to find out it is 500 mg capsules-- rather large and obviously can't be split like a pill. he will not eat it in anything, and in fact is not eating at all this morning and I am wondering if it could possibly have to do with not getting any Lysine last night. My question is do you think it is ok to give him 500 mg at one time, once a day, rather than 250 twice a day? And if you think it is ok to pill him with what seems like a fairly large capsule. I have pilled him with half a tablet, fairly big but not as big as the capsule, just fine by covering it with Nutrical. Thanks, Michelle
RE: rre: another way to give lysine
I give the other half to my german shepherd mix. She will eat anything. LOL That is cranberry capsules though and they are good for her too. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@vlists.net To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: rre: another way to give lysine Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 10:25:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from vlists.net ([208.186.168.62]) by mc4-f21.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Fri, 4 Feb 2005 07:26:17 -0800 Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j14FQHe01416for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 09:26:17 -0600 Received: by vps.vlists.net (TLB v0.11a (1.26 tibbs 1998/09/22 04:41:41)); Fri, 04 Feb 2005 09:26:16 -0600 (CST) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j14FQGZ01280for felvtalk-utils; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 09:26:16 -0600 Received: from mxsf20.cluster1.charter.net (mxsf20.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.220])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j14FQAo01065for felvtalk@vlists.net; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 09:26:10 -0600 Received: from mxip01.cluster1.charter.net (mxip01a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.131])by mxsf20.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j14FPwHZ003900for felvtalk@vlists.net; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 10:25:58 -0500 Received: from fep06.charter.net (HELO 209.225.8.224) (209.225.8.86) by mxip01.cluster1.charter.net with SMTP; 04 Feb 2005 10:26:00 -0500 X-Message-Info: 6sSXyD95QpW4RpSQ3SilKqFh+dF4OTNDzY/B0/EUdBg= X-Ironport-AV: i=3.88,179,1102309200;d=scan'208; a=551157300:sNHT169964992 X-Mailer: Openwave WebEngine, version 2.8.12 (webedge20-101-197-20030912) Virus-Information: Virus Scanned By VLists.Net For Your Protection. Virus-Status: VLists.Net Found No Virus Spam-Status: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-1.283, required 5, AWL 0.06,BAYES_00 -2.60, NO_REAL_NAME 0.01, RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO 1.25) Precedence: list Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Feb 2005 15:26:17.0400 (UTC) FILETIME=[DEE43B80:01C50ACD] That's a really good idea. Do you save theother half or throw it away? I just use a pillpopper on my guys, no lube or anything just pop its done now I feel bad. I think I'm a hardened mom form my work as a vet tech, I must pill 30 cats a day, from those that take it willingly to those that take 3 people and some of us bleed, we try less is more handling we try towels for comfort (and our safety) unfortunately, food is usually seen as just as bad at our place so I never get the chance to try or even think of things like that. We have a blocked 7yr old boy right now who is ona pill for his appetite and its so small and boy what a hard time he gives us, he nailed me good yesterday the rest of his meds ar liquid which is good for him but I find that some cats are worse for liquid. I just re-read this parqagraph and we sound a little mean at my place, we're not!! we try to go fast and easy so they don't even notice, but some of them REALLY need the meds and those are the naughtiest and its NOT okay for a hospital not to be able to give any animal there treatment no matter what, well of course we don't stress them to that point but if they do get that upset thay get a break till we figure out what way will be best for them. I think that is one of the most challenging aspects of my job-- keeping the cats somewhat happy and relaxed while properly treating and medicating them its a very fine line I walk :) From: Faye Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/02/04 Fri AM 10:07:41 EST To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: Re: Lysine question A variation of ferozar's method is split the capsule, take a tiny drop of cat food and roll in the portion of the lysine you want to feed and form a tiny pill and then pill him like you would a regular pill. Keep doing this until all of the lysine you want to use is used up. This helps if they will not eat. I have done this with cranberry powder on my older cat. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@vlists.net To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: Re: Lysine question Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 10:03:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from vlists.net ([208.186.168.62]) by mc7-f25.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Fri, 4 Feb 2005 07:03:43 -0800 Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j14F3hd03482for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 09:03:43 -0600 Received: by vps.vlists.net (TLB v0.11a (1.26 tibbs 1998/09/22 04:41:41)); Fri, 04 Feb 2005 09:03:41 -0600 (CST) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j14F3fC03295for felvtalk-utils; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 09:03:41 -0600 Received: from mxsf16.cluster1.charter.net (mxsf16.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.216])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j14F3Uo03057for felvtalk@vlists.net; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 09:03:30 -0600 Received: from mxip04.cluster1.charter.net (mxip04a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.134])by mxsf16.cluster1
Re: Lysine question
It should only get stuck if he isn't capable of swallowing. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@vlists.net To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: Re: Lysine question Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 10:04:43 EST MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from vlists.net ([208.186.168.62]) by mc10-f35.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Fri, 4 Feb 2005 07:05:15 -0800 Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j14F5Fq07051for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 09:05:15 -0600 Received: by vps.vlists.net (TLB v0.11a (1.26 tibbs 1998/09/22 04:41:41)); Fri, 04 Feb 2005 09:05:12 -0600 (CST) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j14F5CB06965for felvtalk-utils; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 09:05:12 -0600 Received: from imo-m23.mx.aol.com (imo-m23.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.4])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j14F4xo05441for felvtalk@vlists.net; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 09:04:59 -0600 Received: from [EMAIL PROTECTED] imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id x.1a9.30db7549 (4380) for felvtalk@vlists.net; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 10:04:43 -0500 (EST) X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jEuHatpBO8tps3ZiAgX1dcl0sea0hLxRU8= X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 46 Virus-Information: Virus Scanned By VLists.Net For Your Protection. Virus-Status: VLists.Net Found No Virus Spam-Status: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.436, required 5, AWL 0.16,BAYES_00 -2.60, NO_REAL_NAME 0.01) Precedence: list Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Feb 2005 15:05:15.0746 (UTC) FILETIME=[EEE31C20:01C50ACA] Thanks, Kristi. I would seriously doubt it is in a drug book-- it is an amino acid used for immune support and bought at health food stores. Because of that, I would doubt a higher dose is toxic, actually, but am not sure. One other question-- it is a large capsule, sort of on the large end for human capsules. I know cats' throats are different than ours and I have had no trouble pilling them with what seemed like large pills before, but this one is bigger. Do you think it is safe to pill him with it? I always put pills in a glob of Nutrical to help them go down easy. But I do not want to risk it getting stuck in his throat if that is a possibility. I could syringe it as someone suggested, but I tasted it and it is bitter and he is already so miserable today I do not want to do that. Thanks, Michelle In a message dated 2/4/05 10:00:47 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Michelle, I just asked my vet,she said it depends how long Lysine takes for the body to process it. For example drugs that take 12 hours are give 2 x daily, drugs that take 24 hours to be processed are given 1 x daily, some are even shorter. So if its a 12 hour drug and say you give it at 8am by 8pm it will be gone from his system and will not be there for another 12 hours until he gets it the next AM. However, some drugs have a range say 12-24 hours and can be given once or twice a day. So if you want I can check and see if its listed in PLUMB (that's what we call our handy pharmaceutical book that we constantly resort to at my hospital). Or try once a day and see if there is a noticeable difference in how he behaves/eats etc at times when the drug would be highest in his system vs right before he would get his once a day dose. Kristi
RE: re temping
Ohhh. I was told it had be a rectal thermometer. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@vlists.net To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: re temping Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 10:44:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from vlists.net ([208.186.168.62]) by MC6-F37.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Fri, 4 Feb 2005 07:44:39 -0800 Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j14FidC25349for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 09:44:39 -0600 Received: by vps.vlists.net (TLB v0.11a (1.26 tibbs 1998/09/22 04:41:41)); Fri, 04 Feb 2005 09:44:38 -0600 (CST) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j14FicG25213for felvtalk-utils; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 09:44:38 -0600 Received: from mxsf26.cluster1.charter.net (mxsf26.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.226])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j14FiWo25185for felvtalk@vlists.net; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 09:44:32 -0600 Received: from mxip07.cluster1.charter.net (mxip07a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.137])by mxsf26.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j14FiHLM016300for felvtalk@vlists.net; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 10:44:17 -0500 Received: from fep06.charter.net (HELO 209.225.8.224) (209.225.8.86) by mxip07.cluster1.charter.net with SMTP; 04 Feb 2005 10:44:17 -0500 X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jEe58CDk+mBqXlobqb94OVxVIKuQ66FTFQ= X-Ironport-AV: i=3.88,179,1102309200;d=scan'208; a=586785525:sNHT12486836 X-Mailer: Openwave WebEngine, version 2.8.12 (webedge20-101-197-20030912) Virus-Information: Virus Scanned By VLists.Net For Your Protection. Virus-Status: VLists.Net Found No Virus Spam-Status: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-1.286, required 5, AWL 0.06,BAYES_00 -2.60, NO_REAL_NAME 0.01, RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO 1.25) Precedence: list Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Feb 2005 15:44:39.0830 (UTC) FILETIME=[6FFDB360:01C50AD0] yup you should... use any kind of thermometer does not have to be specifically a for anal. I just use a digital beep when its done one. use some k-y jelly and the only thing you have to worry about is him staying still you don't want to jab his inside with it. sometimes they (their muscles) resist so go gentle, make sure its in maybe a half inch, if its just the tip it won't read correctly. Normal is about 100 - 102.5. if your thermom doesn't beep whenits done we just wait till it doesn't go up for a sec that go fast whenthey have a fever. If he has a fever you can gice SQ fluids but don't without checking with the vet first, sometimes cats have underlying issues that the fluidds will make worse and you will need a dose based on that and his weight. if not fluids you can put alcohol on the pads of his feet and inside the pinna of his ear and wipe him down wiht a cool damp washclothe. let me know. Kristi
Re: Please pray/send energy to Simon
I have a digital thermometer that has a rectal mode. You do need a rectal thermometer or one with a rectal mode. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@vlists.net To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: Re: Please pray/send energy to Simon Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 10:34:03 EST MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from mc7-f11.hotmail.com ([65.54.253.18]) by imc2-s9.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Fri, 4 Feb 2005 07:34:35 -0800 Received: from vlists.net ([208.186.168.62]) by mc7-f11.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Fri, 4 Feb 2005 07:34:34 -0800 Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j14FYXF11259for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 09:34:33 -0600 Received: by vps.vlists.net (TLB v0.11a (1.26 tibbs 1998/09/22 04:41:41)); Fri, 04 Feb 2005 09:34:31 -0600 (CST) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j14FYU611133for felvtalk-utils; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 09:34:30 -0600 Received: from imo-m16.mx.aol.com (imo-m16.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.206])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j14FY6o10899for felvtalk@vlists.net; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 09:34:06 -0600 Received: from [EMAIL PROTECTED] imo-m16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id x.75.3e3a3430 (4584) for felvtalk@vlists.net; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 10:34:03 -0500 (EST) X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jHq5YqGgQ3HNtpBNNqdyzYV+iiiR+89zL8= X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 46 Virus-Information: Virus Scanned By VLists.Net For Your Protection. Virus-Status: VLists.Net Found No Virus Spam-Status: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.438, required 5, AWL 0.15,BAYES_00 -2.60, NO_REAL_NAME 0.01) Precedence: list Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Feb 2005 15:34:34.0835 (UTC) FILETIME=[0762CA30:01C50ACF] I don't know. Do you think I should take his temp? If so, can I use a human anal thermometer, and what is the normal range? Would there be anything to do for a fever? If not, I am not sure I want to bother him with it. Michelle In a message dated 2/4/05 10:10:35 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Michelle, Is he running a fever? We have 2 felv + cats we are doing chemo on right now. They are a 8month old female and a 6 month old male, from the same family (not litter). It is heart wrenching to catheter them, but they are so good they lay with us while we give them the chemo drug. I actually practically lay on the table with them or they partially sit on my lap, the little girl purrs the whole session. Anyway my point was that the boy frequently would run extremely high fevers, and his chemo would have to be delayed a day or 2 till it came down. He would be so down and out on those days, then fine as soon as the fever was gone. Let me know but I prefer to send kisses so please give him one for me. Kristi
RE: signs of anemia?
Hindsight being 20/20, these were Tigger's symptoms. He died from the anemia. The ones I noticed but did not realize the severity of the problem since he had no other symptoms at the time. One month before he died: He would occasionally fall off the table while lying down. At that point, he was eating, was not lethargic or anything else. However, I have since learned that loss of coordination is an early symptom. No other indication he was sick though. He ate, his weight was good. he played etc. One week before he died: He was quiet. Not lethargic. Very interested in what was going on. Ate well. Spent time with us. Just didn't do zoomies up and down the hall. My brother convinced me he was maturing. We had company and he adored the guests. He was a social butterfly and he was in the middle of people the whole time. No diarrhea, no vomiting, no nothing. Evening before I took him to the vet. I came home and found a small bit of vomit on the bed. Didn't know which animal threw it up. He ate dinner but did not eat as much and I then figured he was the ill one. I thought maybe he ate something he shouldn't have or had hairballs.He woke me up several times during the night vomiting. By morning, he was lethargic. I stayed up all night with him, looking for signs of some kind of poisoning and tried to figure what was going on. I took him in as soon as the vet's office was opened. I had no clue that he was dying. The vet was immediately concerned because his gums were white and kept him. We thought poisoning. Ran blood panel tests. During the morning he got worse. The vet repeated the tests and he had deteriorated even further. The vet ran the Elisa over and over again and then sent off for an IFA. My vet probably did a dozen Elisas on him hoping there was an error. Ran blood panel again (which were worse) and got the results for the IFA and recommended euthanasia. And I let him go. From: Jill Poe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@vlists.net To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: signs of anemia? Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 13:06:04 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from vlists.net ([208.186.168.62]) by mc11-f33.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Fri, 4 Feb 2005 13:06:22 -0800 Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j14L6Lu20861for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 15:06:21 -0600 Received: by vps.vlists.net (TLB v0.11a (1.26 tibbs 1998/09/22 04:41:41)); Fri, 04 Feb 2005 15:06:20 -0600 (CST) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j14L6Kv20784for felvtalk-utils; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 15:06:20 -0600 Received: from web14822.mail.yahoo.com (web14822.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.225.172])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j14L6Bo20762for felvtalk@vlists.net; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 15:06:11 -0600 Received: (qmail 59737 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Feb 2005 21:06:04 - Received: from [155.100.92.231] by web14822.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 04 Feb 2005 13:06:04 PST X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jH9pljHuthDoScK1p/6bXXVuJffjWXYbH4= Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=AE3E4yBOmYqWbCnGQSunyybMIX367K4+fFdn8wo2VFKCjZsRku3ORX5OrdwnegUBnWG/OtxIY2zyNz3KNEQw3C2V8uo0/JSrxBAUfoVBdBsERyTb2U0SxfPLrd+kZ+2U5gDfjWV5ZDebCTzi+ZZVaS17HXmaSl3GA0RuUqLN4p8= ; Virus-Information: Virus Scanned By VLists.Net For Your Protection. Virus-Status: VLists.Net Found No Virus Spam-Status: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.599, required 5,autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.00, BAYES_00 -2.60) Precedence: list Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Feb 2005 21:06:22.0680 (UTC) FILETIME=[6162DD80:01C50AFD] Can you all tell me about your FeLV+ anemia experiences? Did you find out they were anemic via vet tests? Were there physical symptoms you noticed first? Gary has been doing well but last week slowly stopped eating (less and less then none) and then became VERY lethargic and the night before she went to the vet, she seemed to not be able to walk at all. The vet said she had a fever, she had sub-q fluids and a fever reducer (injection, I think) and we gave her a sponge bath at home (didn't think of the alcohol on her pads and ears - I'll remember that!). She also went back on antibiotics (not sure which - my b/f has been administering them. It's the pink liquid). We force fed her KMR with B-12 and I think that plus the fever reducer made her feel better enough to start eating on her own. She has since completed her antibiotics. However, she is still sleeping more than usual, but she is not lethargic. She is playing and walking okay but eating about half as much as before. I THINK her nose looks paler than usual but her gums are mostly black (instead of pink) so it's hard to tell from them if they are pale. Her tongue seems normal pink. I'm just wondering if it's a matter of time before she'll get infectious
Re: OT: What's you number?
One advantage of getting cats from the same litter is that they will give each other attention. Often cats not from the same litter will bond however, I have had more success with litter mates. I probably won't add single cats to my household again for that reason. I am not going to say never Plus, I don't find it hard to give them attention. I do try to capture each cat alone somewhere and talk to him/her and pet her--every day. That hasn't been hard. I probably give mine more attention than they want. I swear some days Simba growls at me get a life. From: Cherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@vlists.net To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: Re: OT: What's you number? Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 06:54:28 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from vlists.net ([208.186.168.62]) by mc5-f36.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Thu, 3 Feb 2005 06:57:14 -0800 Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j13EvEb15186for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 08:57:14 -0600 Received: by vps.vlists.net (TLB v0.11a (1.26 tibbs 1998/09/22 04:41:41)); Thu, 03 Feb 2005 08:54:49 -0600 (CST) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j13Esng13121for felvtalk-utils; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 08:54:49 -0600 Received: from web81407.mail.yahoo.com (web81407.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.37.96])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j13Esfo13070for felvtalk@vlists.net; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 08:54:41 -0600 Received: from [68.249.202.53] by web81407.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 03 Feb 2005 06:54:28 PST X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jGmTLyfK1NglgW3vNtAppf+77wRfA832vE= Virus-Information: Virus Scanned By VLists.Net For Your Protection. Virus-Status: VLists.Net Found No Virus Spam-Status: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.312, required 5, AWL 0.06,BAYES_00 -2.60, HTML_20_30 0.23, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00) Precedence: list Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Feb 2005 14:57:14.0848 (UTC) FILETIME=[A5D62600:01C50A00] I am just concern about the attention, I do not want anyone hungry for attention. Karolyn Lount [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hi, The number can be different for different people. I live in a one bedroom condo. When I was working I had 18. Now that I am retired and living on a low Fixed income.when I lost one I did not take in another one. I am now down to 7 cats. I am very lucky as I have a Vet who let;s me run a Tab Only you can decide what is the max number you can take care of.
Re: OT: What's you number?
One thing you do have to consider with large numbers of cats. Space. Crowding them too closely can create stress. If you have a small house and are not in an area where the cats can go outside safely, then you might want to keep the number down. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: Re: OT: What's you number? Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 14:30:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from vlists.net ([208.186.168.62]) by MC8-F24.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Thu, 3 Feb 2005 11:36:30 -0800 Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j13Ja9B01456for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 13:36:19 -0600 Received: by vps.vlists.net (TLB v0.11a (1.26 tibbs 1998/09/22 04:41:41)); Thu, 03 Feb 2005 13:32:49 -0600 (CST) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j13JWNZ29347for felvtalk-utils; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 13:32:23 -0600 Received: from ms-smtp-01-eri0.texas.rr.com (ms-smtp-01.texas.rr.com [24.93.47.40])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j13JVto29091for felvtalk@vlists.net; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 13:32:00 -0600 Received: from ms-mss-01 (ms-mss-01-smtp.texas.rr.com [10.93.38.14])by ms-smtp-01-eri0.texas.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j13JUmYm014773for felvtalk@vlists.net; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 13:30:48 -0600 (CST) Received: from texas.rr.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ms-mss-01.texas.rr.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.21 (built Sep 8 2003)) with ESMTP id [EMAIL PROTECTED] for felvtalk@vlists.net; Thu, 03 Feb 2005 13:30:47 -0600 (CST) Received: from [10.93.36.21] (Forwarded-For: [68.50.132.220]) by ms-mss-01.texas.rr.com (mshttpd); Thu, 03 Feb 2005 14:30:47 -0500 X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jGj5sTU7trgaTbBMuQoBMOvlesla2Yqu3k= X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 1.21 (built Sep 8 2003) Content-language: en X-Accept-Language: en X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Virus-Information: Virus Scanned By VLists.Net For Your Protection. Virus-Status: VLists.Net Found No Virus Spam-Status: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.592, required 5,BAYES_00 -2.60, NO_REAL_NAME 0.01) Precedence: list Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Feb 2005 19:36:35.0041 (UTC) FILETIME=[ABB0A510:01C50A27] I've also found that it's much easier to integrate a young cat (less than a year old...preferably around 6 mos.)! We only have two actual littermates left, and we got 4 when they were around 6 months old (except for Boots who's been grandfathered into the clan...he's considered the Mama as he took care of the original 5 kittens when their mom passed away)...All treat each other like brothers and sisters from the same litter, chasing, wrestling and grooming each other...Except for poor Marvin (a Siamese) who I tried to add as a 3 year old male! The others tolerate him at best and chase him around at worst...the sad thing is, 3 kids have been introduced to the family *after* Marvin and seem to have taken a cue from the resident cats that he is someone to be avoided... :( Then again, he is a little weird... :) He kind of reminds me of the weird cousin you had as a kid! :) He prefers human company anyway (very much like a human baby...he's a purebred modern? Siamese ...not apple-headed, and does have FeLV)...He tries to play with one of the girls (Lola), but he's a little rough so he usual sends her away in a fit. It's kinda sweet, in a way, because Ewok and Sleepypants (the two remaining litter mates) will run to Lola's aide and trap Marvin underneath the chair in the front room! They don't hurt him, they will just stare at him in a very thug-like way for a few minutes as if to say Touch her again and we'll make minced meat outta ya! :) Anyway, we've pretty much decided that it's much less stress on everyone involved to only add young cats, if we can! - Original Message - From: Faye Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, February 3, 2005 12:48 pm Subject: Re: OT: What's you number? One advantage of getting cats from the same litter is that they will give each other attention. Often cats not from the same litter will bond however, I have had more success with litter mates. I probably won't add single cats to my household again for that reason. I am not going to say never Plus, I don't find it hard to give them attention. I do try to capture each cat alone somewhere and talk to him/her and pet her--every day. That hasn't been hard. I probably give mine more attention than they want. I swear some days Simba growls at me get a life.
Re: OT: What's you number?
WOW!! They hit kittie paydirt!! From: Cherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@vlists.net To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: Re: OT: What's you number? Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 12:35:19 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from vlists.net ([208.186.168.62]) by mc2-f5.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Thu, 3 Feb 2005 12:36:10 -0800 Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j13KZlZ12631for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 14:35:47 -0600 Received: by vps.vlists.net (TLB v0.11a (1.26 tibbs 1998/09/22 04:41:41)); Thu, 03 Feb 2005 14:35:45 -0600 (CST) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j13KZib12521for felvtalk-utils; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 14:35:44 -0600 Received: from web81408.mail.yahoo.com (web81408.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.37.97])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j13KZWo12477for felvtalk@vlists.net; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 14:35:32 -0600 Received: from [68.249.202.53] by web81408.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 03 Feb 2005 12:35:19 PST X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jFs7U1frFLsFyTBSuQQON6az7bSjO4uu/Y= Virus-Information: Virus Scanned By VLists.Net For Your Protection. Virus-Status: VLists.Net Found No Virus Spam-Status: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.297, required 5, AWL 0.06,BAYES_00 -2.60, HTML_10_20 0.25, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00) Precedence: list Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Feb 2005 20:36:10.0146 (UTC) FILETIME=[FE9E6020:01C50A2F] I just moved into a huge house with tons of room, and I am looking into finishing the basement strictly for the cats, ie the columns I will get carpeted so they can climb, so space is not the issue I am concered about attention. Faye Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:One thing you do have to consider with large numbers of cats. Space. Crowding them too closely can create stress. If you have a small house and are not in an area where the cats can go outside safely, then you might want to keep the number down. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: Re: OT: What's you number? Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 14:30:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from vlists.net ([208.186.168.62]) by MC8-F24.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Thu, 3 Feb 2005 11:36:30 -0800 Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j13Ja9B01456for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 13:36:19 -0600 Received: by vps.vlists.net (TLB v0.11a (1.26 tibbs 1998/09/22 04:41:41)); Thu, 03 Feb 2005 13:32:49 -0600 (CST) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j13JWNZ29347for felvtalk-utils; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 13:32:23 -0600 Received: from ms-smtp-01-eri0.texas.rr.com (ms-smtp-01.texas.rr.com [24.93.47.40])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j13JVto29091for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 13:32:00 -0600 Received: from ms-mss-01 (ms-mss-01-smtp.texas.rr.com [10.93.38.14])by ms-smtp-01-eri0.texas.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j13JUmYm014773for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 13:30:48 -0600 (CST) Received: from texas.rr.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ms-mss-01.texas.rr.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.21 (built Sep 8 2003)) with ESMTP id [EMAIL PROTECTED] for felvtalk@vlists.net; Thu, 03 Feb 2005 13:30:47 -0600 (CST) Received: from [10.93.36.21] (Forwarded-For: [68.50.132.220]) by ms-mss-01.texas.rr.com (mshttpd); Thu, 03 Feb 2005 14:30:47 -0500 X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jGj5sTU7trgaTbBMuQoBMOvlesla2Yqu3k= X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 1.21 (built Sep 8 2003) Content-language: en X-Accept-Language: en X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Virus-Information: Virus Scanned By VLists.Net For Your Protection. Virus-Status: VLists.Net Found No Virus Spam-Status: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.592, required 5,BAYES_00 -2.60, NO_REAL_NAME 0.01) Precedence: list Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Feb 2005 19:36:35.0041 (UTC) FILETIME=[ABB0A510:01C50A27] I've also found that it's much easier to integrate a young cat (less than a year old...preferably around 6 mos.)! We only have two actual littermates left, and we got 4 when they were around 6 months old (except for Boots who's been grandfathered into the clan...he's considered the Mama as he took care of the original 5 kittens when their mom passed away)...All treat each other like brothers and sisters from the same litter, chasing, wrestling and grooming each other...Except for poor Marvin (a Siamese) who I tried to add as a 3 year old male! The others tolerate him at best and chase him around at worst...the sad thing is, 3 kids have been introduced to the family *after* Marvin and seem to have taken a cue from the resident cats that he is someone to be avoided... :( Then again, he is a little weird... :) He kind of reminds me of the weird cousin you had as a kid! :) He prefers human company anyway (very much like a human baby...he's a purebred modern? Siamese ...not apple-headed, and does have FeLV)...He tries to play
RE: Wellness - is it any good anymore?
My problems may have been minor glitches in the opening of a new plant. I did have problems but if I were you, I would try the Wellness and if your cats do well on it, that is the bottom line. I would keep an eye on the ingredient list, though. From: BONNIE J KALMBACH [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@vlists.net To: felvtalk@vlists.net, felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: Wellness - is it any good anymore? Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 02:36:50 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from vlists.net ([208.186.168.62]) by mc7-f16.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Wed, 2 Feb 2005 00:38:13 -0800 Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j128bDB25173for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 02:37:13 -0600 Received: by vps.vlists.net (TLB v0.11a (1.26 tibbs 1998/09/22 04:41:41)); Wed, 02 Feb 2005 02:37:12 -0600 (CST) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j128bCr25099for felvtalk-utils; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 02:37:12 -0600 Received: from smtp7.wiscmail.wisc.edu (hagen.doit.wisc.edu [144.92.197.163])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j128b0o25049for felvtalk@vlists.net; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 02:37:01 -0600 Received: from avs-daemon.smtp7.wiscmail.wisc.edu by smtp7.wiscmail.wisc.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 Patch 2 (built Jul 14 2004)) id [EMAIL PROTECTED] for felvtalk@vlists.net; Wed, 02 Feb 2005 02:36:51 -0600 (CST) Received: from wiscmail.wisc.edu (sneezy [144.92.197.154]) by smtp7.wiscmail.wisc.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 Patch 2 (built Jul 14 2004)) with ESMTP id [EMAIL PROTECTED] for felvtalk@vlists.net; Wed, 02 Feb 2005 02:36:51 -0600 (CST) Received: from [144.92.197.221] (Forwarded-For: [128.104.49.90]) by mailst3.doit.wisc.edu (mshttpd); Wed, 02 Feb 2005 02:36:50 -0600 X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jFnWmh+kFv2nH3HCULfL8YZ2rgcn4AQWKA= X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 Patch 2 (built Jul 14 2004) Content-language: en X-Accept-Language: en X-Spam-Report: TrustedSender=yes, SenderIP=144.92.197.154 X-Spam-PmxInfo: Server=avs-5, Version=4.7.0.111621, Antispam-Engine: 2.0.2.0, Antispam-Data: 2005.2.1.12, SenderIP=144.92.197.154 Virus-Information: Virus Scanned By VLists.Net For Your Protection. Virus-Status: VLists.Net Found No Virus Spam-Status: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.593, required 5,autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.01, BAYES_00 -2.60) Precedence: list Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Feb 2005 08:38:13.0637 (UTC) FILETIME=[889AFB50:01C50902] I have two large cans of Wellness and I'm afraid to use them after reading some posts here. Last week, I gave a little to my 18 year-old Fu, along with other food - a little bit of A/D, a little of Nutro, and a tad of Fancy Feast (I usually put several kinds on my finicky eaters' dishes) - and he had diarrhea for a couple of days. Fu has been in remission from intestinal cancer for nearly three years. Should I throw out those two new cans of Wellness, feed them to my other kitties, is anyone else still feeding Wellness??? puzzled in Wisconsin, Bonnie
RE: OT: What's you number?
I have 9. I had 3 and then last summer adopted Mama and her litter of 5. Every single one of them is precious. They are all so different too. From: Cherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@vlists.net To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: OT: What's you number? Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 06:39:56 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from vlists.net ([208.186.168.62]) by mc9-f30.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Wed, 2 Feb 2005 06:40:35 -0800 Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j12EeY320132for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 08:40:34 -0600 Received: by vps.vlists.net (TLB v0.11a (1.26 tibbs 1998/09/22 04:41:41)); Wed, 02 Feb 2005 08:40:32 -0600 (CST) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j12EeWO19996for felvtalk-utils; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 08:40:32 -0600 Received: from web81409.mail.yahoo.com (web81409.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.37.98])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j12EeDo19843for felvtalk@vlists.net; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 08:40:13 -0600 Received: from [68.79.58.130] by web81409.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 02 Feb 2005 06:39:56 PST X-Message-Info: 6sSXyD95QpWpOY15dLJ+1+J5UzGazS3oyoJp9+x+54s= Virus-Information: Virus Scanned By VLists.Net For Your Protection. Virus-Status: VLists.Net Found No Virus Spam-Status: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.355, required 5, AWL -0.00,BAYES_00 -2.60, HTML_10_20 0.25, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00) Precedence: list Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Feb 2005 14:40:35.0413 (UTC) FILETIME=[27B6B850:01C50935] Hi All, I have 5 kitties right now, and I am debating on taking in 2 or 3 more, just out of curiosity what kind of numbers do you all have...that would bring my count to 7 or 8, with a dog and a 5 year old son, just curious? Thanks Cherie
Re: OT: What's you number?
Some members of my family are horrified. I have become what many women fear, over 40, never married with 9 cats. I love it. I am happy as a clam. Life is good. I do have the space for them. I have 10 acres but all of the kitties spend as much time as they want in the house. No one is positive yet. If one should go positive, they will be restricted to inside. The funny thing is that I can't really say that 9 is too many. It is all I can afford and won't be getting any more but I can't do without any of the ones I have. My bills get high sometimes but my mother once told me, my mother raised 9 kids during the depression, I have faith that you can raise 9 cats in better times. It has been true. By the grace of God and my perpetual budgeting, they get what they need. 9 sounds like a lot but each one is so precious that I can't imagine life without any one of them. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: Re: OT: What's you number? Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 10:54:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from vlists.net ([208.186.168.62]) by MC8-F26.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Wed, 2 Feb 2005 07:56:58 -0800 Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j12FsvZ27645for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 09:54:57 -0600 Received: by vps.vlists.net (TLB v0.11a (1.26 tibbs 1998/09/22 04:41:41)); Wed, 02 Feb 2005 09:54:57 -0600 (CST) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j12Fsvx27571for felvtalk-utils; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 09:54:57 -0600 Received: from ms-smtp-02-eri0.texas.rr.com (ms-smtp-02.texas.rr.com [24.93.47.41])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j12Fslo27542for felvtalk@vlists.net; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 09:54:47 -0600 Received: from ms-mss-01 (ms-mss-01-smtp-b.texas.rr.com [10.93.38.16])by ms-smtp-02-eri0.texas.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j12FsV8H002823for felvtalk@vlists.net; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 09:54:32 -0600 (CST) Received: from texas.rr.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ms-mss-01.texas.rr.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.21 (built Sep 8 2003)) with ESMTP id [EMAIL PROTECTED] for felvtalk@vlists.net; Wed, 02 Feb 2005 09:54:31 -0600 (CST) Received: from [10.93.36.27] (Forwarded-For: [68.50.132.220]) by ms-mss-01.texas.rr.com (mshttpd); Wed, 02 Feb 2005 10:54:31 -0500 X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jEgp2NwwC5fmGh4F/iAUmMPInRhXxD2j6o= X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 1.21 (built Sep 8 2003) Content-language: en X-Accept-Language: en X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Virus-Information: Virus Scanned By VLists.Net For Your Protection. Virus-Status: VLists.Net Found No Virus Spam-Status: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.592, required 5,BAYES_00 -2.60, NO_REAL_NAME 0.01) Precedence: list Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Feb 2005 15:56:58.0268 (UTC) FILETIME=[D34EE5C0:01C5093F] We've got 7 cats! I *attempted* to put my foot down at 2, then 4, then when we found out our kittens had FeLV, we weren't going to let them go anywhere (we had homes for 3 of the 5...the crazy thing is, as they got closer and closer to the age where they could be adopted out, I was wishing for some way that we could keep them all...I just couldn't part with my babies! So when we found out they had Feleuk, we knew we couldn't possibly jeopardize the health of the other cats in the homes that they were going to...so, in a way, I got my wish and we kept them all...Fate has a twisted sense of humor, sometimes! :) )...Anyway, with the kittens, the number briefly went up to 7, then we lost their mom...so, we decided no more than 6...and it was like that for awhile until Mags came along! :) Now, we're back up to 7 cats, 2 dogs and one bearded dragon! :) - Original Message - From: Cherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, February 2, 2005 9:39 am Subject: OT: What's you number? Hi All, I have 5 kitties right now, and I am debating on taking in 2 or 3 more, just out of curiosity what kind of numbers do you all have...that would bring my count to 7 or 8, with a dog and a 5 year old son, just curious? Thanks Cherie
Re: OT: What's you number?
That is my dream cat. I will probably never have one because there are so many ferals and strays in my immediate area that need a home but I love those big guys. From: Cherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@vlists.net To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: Re: OT: What's you number? Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 10:08:47 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from vlists.net ([208.186.168.62]) by mc1-f29.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Wed, 2 Feb 2005 10:09:17 -0800 Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j12I9Hl11533for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 12:09:17 -0600 Received: by vps.vlists.net (TLB v0.11a (1.26 tibbs 1998/09/22 04:41:41)); Wed, 02 Feb 2005 12:09:16 -0600 (CST) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j12I9Go11456for felvtalk-utils; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 12:09:16 -0600 Received: from web81404.mail.yahoo.com (web81404.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.37.93])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j12I96o11365for felvtalk@vlists.net; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 12:09:06 -0600 Received: from [68.79.58.130] by web81404.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 02 Feb 2005 10:08:47 PST X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jFiy8Z1GotXJsxofZhKxJyCcxHYZND7xHo= Virus-Information: Virus Scanned By VLists.Net For Your Protection. Virus-Status: VLists.Net Found No Virus Spam-Status: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.465, required 5,autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.10, BAYES_00 -2.60, HTML_40_50 0.04,HTML_MESSAGE 0.00) Precedence: list Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Feb 2005 18:09:17.0833 (UTC) FILETIME=[4FA85F90:01C50952] by the way love the main coons they are really neat, look like WILD cats ;-)) Barb Moermond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:dlh = domestic long-hair Maine Coons are a specific breed http://www.fanciers.com/breed-faqs/maine-coon-faq.html Cherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What are dlhs, and what are maine coons? Cherie TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: seven persians, one siberian, three maine coons/coon-a-bees, three dlhs; 2 foster coonies, one adult human (well, i pretend to be adult.). Cherie A Gabbert wrote: Hi All, I have 5 kitties right now, and I am debating on taking in 2 or 3 more, just out of curiosity what kind of numbers do you all have...that would bring my count to 7 or 8, with a dog and a 5 year old son, just curious? Thanks Cherie Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile. - Anonymous - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term'
Re: OT: What's you number?
I have no positives at the moment and I don't want to add one. Who knows what I will have next year being that 3 of mine were exposed. Although, time is going by and the risk does grow less daily. From: TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@vlists.net To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: Re: OT: What's you number? Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 13:50:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from vlists.net ([208.186.168.62]) by MC8-F22.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Wed, 2 Feb 2005 10:56:49 -0800 Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j12Isaq24649for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 12:54:36 -0600 Received: by vps.vlists.net (TLB v0.11a (1.26 tibbs 1998/09/22 04:41:41)); Wed, 02 Feb 2005 12:54:35 -0600 (CST) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j12IsZe24481for felvtalk-utils; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 12:54:35 -0600 Received: from smtp813.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp813.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.170.83])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j12IsEo24275for felvtalk@vlists.net; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 12:54:14 -0600 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.64?) ([EMAIL PROTECTED]@69.208.250.85 with plain) by smtp813.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2005 18:53:55 - X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jGNuyhU9lZQ9W1ZHua4NOXpcH9yJPf0+p4= User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Virus-Information: Virus Scanned By VLists.Net For Your Protection. Virus-Status: VLists.Net Found No Virus Spam-Status: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.513, required 5,autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.09, BAYES_00 -2.60) Precedence: list Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Feb 2005 18:56:50.0689 (UTC) FILETIME=[F417A710:01C50958] if you are able/willing to take in an FIV or FeLV coonie, let them know may not be from your immediate area, but we all know how hard it can be to place the positives MC Faye Lewis wrote: That is my dream cat. I will probably never have one because there are so many ferals and strays in my immediate area that need a home but I love those big guys. From: Cherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@vlists.net To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: Re: OT: What's you number? Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 10:08:47 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from vlists.net ([208.186.168.62]) by mc1-f29.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Wed, 2 Feb 2005 10:09:17 -0800 Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j12I9Hl11533for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 12:09:17 -0600 Received: by vps.vlists.net (TLB v0.11a (1.26 tibbs 1998/09/22 04:41:41)); Wed, 02 Feb 2005 12:09:16 -0600 (CST) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j12I9Go11456for felvtalk-utils; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 12:09:16 -0600 Received: from web81404.mail.yahoo.com (web81404.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.37.93])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j12I96o11365for felvtalk@vlists.net; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 12:09:06 -0600 Received: from [68.79.58.130] by web81404.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 02 Feb 2005 10:08:47 PST X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jFiy8Z1GotXJsxofZhKxJyCcxHYZND7xHo= Virus-Information: Virus Scanned By VLists.Net For Your Protection. Virus-Status: VLists.Net Found No Virus Spam-Status: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.465, required 5,autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.10, BAYES_00 -2.60, HTML_40_50 0.04,HTML_MESSAGE 0.00) Precedence: list Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Feb 2005 18:09:17.0833 (UTC) FILETIME=[4FA85F90:01C50952] by the way love the main coons they are really neat, look like WILD cats ;-)) Barb Moermond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:dlh = domestic long-hair Maine Coons are a specific breed http://www.fanciers.com/breed-faqs/maine-coon-faq.html Cherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What are dlhs, and what are maine coons? Cherie TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: seven persians, one siberian, three maine coons/coon-a-bees, three dlhs; 2 foster coonies, one adult human (well, i pretend to be adult.). Cherie A Gabbert wrote: Hi All, I have 5 kitties right now, and I am debating on taking in 2 or 3 more, just out of curiosity what kind of numbers do you all have...that would bring my count to 7 or 8, with a dog and a 5 year old son, just curious? Thanks Cherie Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile. - Anonymous - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term'
Re: What's you number?
This has been a horrendously expensive year for the cats. I neutered and spayed 6 cats. Vaccinated them and Felv/Fiv tested them. That ran into about $2000. They all had eye infections when they came and I have had a tapeworm epidemic. I have spent over $1400 on Advantage. (I will be ordering from Australia next spring). In August, Magellan had his weird pneumonia/lungworm mess and that cost $1000. I had an outbreak of URIs with 3 cats getting sick. The frequent dewormings at the vet (until I could get praziqiantel over the counter) was $400 a month. My food bill averages about $175-250 a month. Magellan got diarrhea and needed a vet visit along with FELV test. My head swims when I think about it all. For a person that does not have a single positive cat, this has been unbelievable. I got through it though. I ate Ramen noodles for 5 months but I got through it. Everything is paid in full. My crew is bright eyed and bush tailed. I am biased but I think they are drop dead gorgeous too. From: Cherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@vlists.net To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: Re: What's you number? Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 11:26:29 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from vlists.net ([208.186.168.62]) by MC6-F7.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Wed, 2 Feb 2005 11:27:00 -0800 Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j12JQxK17704for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 13:26:59 -0600 Received: by vps.vlists.net (TLB v0.11a (1.26 tibbs 1998/09/22 04:41:41)); Wed, 02 Feb 2005 13:26:56 -0600 (CST) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j12JQuj17622for felvtalk-utils; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 13:26:56 -0600 Received: from web81405.mail.yahoo.com (web81405.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.37.94])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j12JQbo17288for felvtalk@vlists.net; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 13:26:37 -0600 Received: from [68.79.58.130] by web81405.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 02 Feb 2005 11:26:29 PST X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jFK1fpYjlMh6QKt2UdI62lpXPK1EhBkAcU= Virus-Information: Virus Scanned By VLists.Net For Your Protection. Virus-Status: VLists.Net Found No Virus Spam-Status: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.466, required 5,autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.10, BAYES_00 -2.60, HTML_40_50 0.04,HTML_MESSAGE 0.00) Precedence: list Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Feb 2005 19:27:00.0853 (UTC) FILETIME=[2B08C250:01C5095D] Last month was my worst it came in around $900 with food and all that includes medical bills that were associated with Snowballs passing, I am just in a quandry I do not want to be spreading myself too thin. Cherie Del Daniels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Combined expenses? The average was $1000+ before Effie's chemo began. That would include any extra spays and neuters, abscesses, etc. of wanderers. Any adopted out are neutered, dewormed, shots and chipped before leaving. No, we are not rich, that's just where our money goes. We are blessed. - Original Message - From: Cherie A Gabbert To: felvtalk@vlists.net Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 12:11 PM Subject: Re: What's you number? WOWMy goodness gracious, I would hat eto see your vet bill, or food bill for that matterBut horray and good for you this is wonderful to hear. Cherie Del Daniels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Numbers? The most I have had at one time was 26. At present 23. Ancient Smokey lives with ancient MIL in the little house next door and I do all his care and some of hers. Two in the attached heated/ac garage; Effie, FeLV+, has the sunroom and bedroom, I sleep with her; the others, including Butch, FIV+, and TiTia (probably herpes) have the rest of the house and the family room with a screen door keeping some separated. There is an enclosed back porch with heater they use during the day, a pet door goes fm the family room to the porch. Tiger has the neighborhood and front porch or MIL's sheltered back deck and under her HOT house, he's a heavy sprayer and never did want to be inside when he lived next door. They took him when they moved but he came back and is such a love. I hate him being outside but he loves it and we've made creature comforts for him to ke! ep warm and dry. Cats is all I do all day, there isn't time for anything else and this is what I love. Th! ey are all wonderful. Hubby would like the garage kitties to be crated at night so he could put the cars inside ... they have carpets and toys and cat tree, etc. Emily is still somewhat feral and defies catching on a daily basis. Dominic could be adopted out now if he would stop biting, biting, biting fingers. A few kitty condos for mealtimes for those on special diets. The feral female I spayed recently had to be boarded at the vet a few days because I am out of isolation room! Del - Original Message - From: Cherie A Gabbert To: felvtalk@vlists.net Sent: Wednesday,
RE: Say a prayer for Jazz update on Gypsy
You have my prayers!! From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@vlists.net To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: Say a prayer for Jazz update on Gypsy Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 12:01:18 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from vlists.net ([208.186.168.62]) by mc5-f32.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Wed, 2 Feb 2005 12:03:52 -0800 Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j12K3pg16988for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 14:03:51 -0600 Received: by vps.vlists.net (TLB v0.11a (1.26 tibbs 1998/09/22 04:41:41)); Wed, 02 Feb 2005 14:03:48 -0600 (CST) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j12K3m616874for felvtalk-utils; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 14:03:48 -0600 Received: from out003.verizon.net (out003pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.103])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j12K3Yo16728for felvtalk@vlists.net; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 14:03:34 -0600 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([4.35.42.210]) by out003.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id [EMAIL PROTECTED] for felvtalk@vlists.net; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 14:03:26 -0600 X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jG96HqEyDBLn3bbtOHHuOXcpUIjrEz2J8A= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.1) Gecko/20040707 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out003.verizon.net from [4.35.42.210] at Wed, 2 Feb 2005 14:03:25 -0600 Virus-Information: Virus Scanned By VLists.Net For Your Protection. Virus-Status: VLists.Net Found No Virus Spam-Status: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.553, required 5,autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.05, BAYES_00 -2.60) Precedence: list Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Feb 2005 20:03:52.0654 (UTC) FILETIME=[515ECEE0:01C50962] Well, here we go again, it's a wonder any of us have any fingernails left! Yesterday while petting Jazzy, I felt a strange 'cartilage-like' lump on her throat. It doesn't seem to bother her to touch it and she's eating and swallowing fine. She had a hard lump on her forehead when she was little that just went away as she grew. I'm hoping it's nothing to worry about. I've made an appointment at my vet's for her. Please say a prayer that it turns out to be nothing to be concerned over. I woke up crying this morning thinking about the possibility of losing her and the futility of fighting so much disease. Sometimes I get so tired of dealing with illness. I shouldn't complain, I have had so much success and so many blessings. While I was crying into my husband's shoulder, he gently reminded me that, of course, everything dies, how we've given them a loving, happy home, and how the odds that they'd still be here without us are slim to say the least. When I'm worried about losing my babies, those arguments, while valid, just don't bring that much comfort. On the brighter side, Gypsy is doing so much better! She still has the IBD symptoms, but she's eating better, and she's using the litter box less often. Now, if she'd just firm up those poops and put on some weight! Thanks for caring, Nina
FELV-FIV test
My vet recently began using a FELV-FIV vaccine. He started last summer. He is seeing an epidemic of FIV in his office and is recommending it to all of his clients. Especially those of us with cats that go outside. He has never been vaccine happy so I take his recommendations seriously. He hates to use a new vaccine the first year. Years ago, we had a strangles' epidemic at a barn I boarded my horses at. My vet talked me out of the strangles' vaccine. With horses falling ill left and right, I did not think this wise but reluctantly went along with his advice. This was the old vaccine that had more problems than what it was worth. My horses were the few that never got strangles. He was right. The vaccine was dreadful. Several horses got sicker from that than they would have from strangles. Mine never got sick with anything. When it comes to vaccines, I listen to him. He has experience, good judgement and keeps up with his journals.
RE: FELV-FIV test
All of my cats now have the new FIV vaccine. FWIW, no one had a reaction or any kind of false positive. They are Felv negative but are regularly tested for FELV and FIV because of their exposure. 9 cats with the FIV vaccine and all are doing fine. We are in the midst of an FIV mess so I feel better about the vaccine. From: Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@vlists.net To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: RE: FELV-FIV test Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 10:11:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from vlists.net ([208.186.168.62]) by mc1-f38.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Tue, 1 Feb 2005 07:17:57 -0800 Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j11FHZx20366for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 09:17:45 -0600 Received: by vps.vlists.net (TLB v0.11a (1.26 tibbs 1998/09/22 04:41:41)); Tue, 01 Feb 2005 09:13:43 -0600 (CST) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j11FDIY17043for felvtalk-utils; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 09:13:18 -0600 Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j11FCno16777for felvtalk@vlists.net; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 09:12:59 -0600 Received: from dialup-4.236.99.91.dial1.newyork1.level3.net ([4.236.99.91] helo=CHRISB)by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1)id 1Cvzgp-0004DP-00for felvtalk@vlists.net; Tue, 01 Feb 2005 10:11:39 -0500 X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jHEA/m/s0mMabJXuNMt37O7ouFz/rfu9tg= X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Virus-Information: Virus Scanned By VLists.Net For Your Protection. Virus-Status: VLists.Net Found No Virus Spam-Status: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.563, required 5,autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.04, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by vlists.net id j11FD7n16970 Precedence: list Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Feb 2005 15:18:02.0642 (UTC) FILETIME=[38C0E720:01C50871] Thanks--I too am a little wary of new vaccines unless absolutely necessary I appreciate any comments before I talk to him about it Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Faye Lewis Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 9:34 AM To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: FELV-FIV test My vet recently began using a FELV-FIV vaccine. He started last summer. He is seeing an epidemic of FIV in his office and is recommending it to all of his clients. Especially those of us with cats that go outside. He has never been vaccine happy so I take his recommendations seriously. He hates to use a new vaccine the first year. Years ago, we had a strangles' epidemic at a barn I boarded my horses at. My vet talked me out of the strangles' vaccine. With horses falling ill left and right, I did not think this wise but reluctantly went along with his advice. This was the old vaccine that had more problems than what it was worth. My horses were the few that never got strangles. He was right. The vaccine was dreadful. Several horses got sicker from that than they would have from strangles. Mine never got sick with anything. When it comes to vaccines, I listen to him. He has experience, good judgement and keeps up with his journals.
Re: Just thought you could use a laugh
After reading how some of you on this list actually own real live houseplants, I can now believe anything. LOL From: Cherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@vlists.net To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: Re: Just thought you could use a laugh Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 10:36:33 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from vlists.net ([208.186.168.62]) by mc4-f24.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Tue, 1 Feb 2005 10:37:03 -0800 Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j11Ib6p14215for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 12:37:06 -0600 Received: by vps.vlists.net (TLB v0.11a (1.26 tibbs 1998/09/22 04:41:41)); Tue, 01 Feb 2005 12:37:04 -0600 (CST) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j11Ib3M13943for felvtalk-utils; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 12:37:03 -0600 Received: from web81407.mail.yahoo.com (web81407.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.37.96])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j11Iafo13528for felvtalk@vlists.net; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 12:36:41 -0600 Received: from [68.249.202.26] by web81407.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 01 Feb 2005 10:36:33 PST X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jEHxWQK1DVi/5TvXorqCpH+K/5qF8socD0= Virus-Information: Virus Scanned By VLists.Net For Your Protection. Virus-Status: VLists.Net Found No Virus Spam-Status: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.283, required 5, AWL 0.09,BAYES_00 -2.60, HTML_20_30 0.23, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00) Precedence: list Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Feb 2005 18:37:03.0694 (UTC) FILETIME=[062CD6E0:01C5088D] I would have to say serious reality issues, they just did it again and I fixed it again. TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:doing a puzzle around cats--is that the mark of a total optimist or the sign of serious reality issues (says the woman who tries to do intricate beading around hers worst thing is that the time a full kilo of seed beads got dumped into my keyboard, it wasn't the cats but ME who did the deed now if i could only get them to fetch the size/colors i need on command...) MC
Re: Simon being naughty
Don't you just love it when they misbehave! Sick cats rarely misbehave. From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@vlists.net To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: Re: Simon being naughty Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:00:53 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from vlists.net ([208.186.168.62]) by MC8-F9.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:05:10 -0800 Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j0VM5Aj17278for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 16:05:10 -0600 Received: by vps.vlists.net (TLB v0.11a (1.26 tibbs 1998/09/22 04:41:41)); Mon, 31 Jan 2005 16:05:02 -0600 (CST) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j0VM51C16184for felvtalk-utils; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 16:05:01 -0600 Received: from out009.verizon.net (out009pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.131])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j0VM4Zo15857for felvtalk@vlists.net; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 16:04:35 -0600 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([4.35.42.210]) by out009.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id [EMAIL PROTECTED] for felvtalk@vlists.net; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 16:04:04 -0600 X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jGkOHnng/HUZmZ4HovsCMM22KvUm9GQlhM= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.1) Gecko/20040707 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out009.verizon.net from [4.35.42.210] at Mon, 31 Jan 2005 16:03:46 -0600 Virus-Information: Virus Scanned By VLists.Net For Your Protection. Virus-Status: VLists.Net Found No Virus Spam-Status: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.553, required 5,autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.05, BAYES_00 -2.60) Precedence: list Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jan 2005 22:05:10.0815 (UTC) FILETIME=[EEAA8AF0:01C507E0] Amazing and wonderful! Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm glad Effie is feeling good enough to make you chase her! Simon is even naughtier today. He is literally-- literally-- climbing the walls! Our house is from the 70's and one wall in the main room, the one with the Buddha pictures in the photos I posted-- is carpeted. He literally climbed up that wall and into the ceiling beams this morning. Once I was sure he was ok, I was pretty happy about it. :) Michelle In a message dated 1/30/05 11:50:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Their naughty times are pure joy on this roller coaster, aren't they. Effie couldn't move from her pain on Thursday and today she has wings when she sees the syringe of antibiotic, like you trying to catch Quincy! Del -
RE: Belinda please add Levi to CLS
I am sorry Kerry. You did your best. From: Kerry MacKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@vlists.net To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: Belinda please add Levi to CLS Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 23:56:20 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [67.248.121.59] X-Originating-Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from vlists.net ([208.186.168.62]) by MC8-F11.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 22:13:18 -0800 Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j0R6DID08657for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 00:13:18 -0600 Received: by vps.vlists.net (TLB v0.11a (1.26 tibbs 1998/09/22 04:41:41)); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 00:13:16 -0600 (CST) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j0R6DG908303for felvtalk-utils; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 00:13:16 -0600 Received: from BAY0-SMTP02.phx.gbl (bay0-smtp02.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.241.109])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j0R6D2o08122for felvtalk@vlists.net; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 00:13:02 -0600 Received: from default ([67.248.121.59]) by BAY0-SMTP02.phx.gbl with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 22:12:47 -0800 X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jEpwIwrKv4iwH2c0tbiksBLZgjYh1AUiNc= References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jan 2005 06:12:47.0807 (UTC) FILETIME=[39207CF0:01C50437] Virus-Information: Virus Scanned By VLists.Net For Your Protection. Virus-Status: VLists.Net Found No Virus Spam-Status: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-1.907, required 5,autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.55, BAYES_00 -2.60, HTML_50_60 0.09,HTML_MESSAGE 0.00, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER 0.05) Precedence: list Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Belinda, could you please add my fearless little warrior Levi to the CLS. Levi was put to sleep on Wednesday evening 1/25 at around 8pm. I was told his hemocrit had dropped to 7.5. and his mouth had many ulcers. It wasn't a peaceful passing and I feel distraught and anguished about how the poor little soul ended his life. I would like to explain it later and get feedback. I'm still processing it. I will miss him the little soul. I had already begun to miss his swiping me. He was the smallest and lightest of the crew, yet he was always the Great Protector of all of them---ready to bat me if I dared to try touch any of them. Thank you everyone meantime for your thoughts and support. It's bleak enough, but it would be even bleaker without your kindness and support. Please say a prayer for Levi, and all the furballs who are still fighting for their lives. Thanks, Kerry
RE: Gypsy's experience at the vet
Wow, she does sound like a great vet. I also like the idea of the Nutrigest. That sounds like a good thing to use for many chronic illnesses. From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@vlists.net To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: Gypsy's experience at the vet Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 12:16:27 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from vlists.net ([208.186.168.62]) by MC6-F39.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 12:47:08 -0800 Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j0QKl8107767for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 14:47:08 -0600 Received: by vps.vlists.net (TLB v0.11a (1.26 tibbs 1998/09/22 04:41:41)); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 14:47:03 -0600 (CST) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j0QKl2v06953for felvtalk-utils; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 14:47:02 -0600 Received: from out010.verizon.net (out010pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.133])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j0QKFYo15614for felvtalk@vlists.net; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 14:15:36 -0600 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([4.35.42.210]) by out010.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id [EMAIL PROTECTED] for felvtalk@vlists.net; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 14:14:30 -0600 X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jHGT1qj0FdJP2K/cp53A+Mluf9WM5+Daas= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.1) Gecko/20040707 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out010.verizon.net from [4.35.42.210] at Wed, 26 Jan 2005 14:14:29 -0600 Virus-Information: Virus Scanned By VLists.Net For Your Protection. Virus-Status: VLists.Net Found No Virus Spam-Status: not spam, SpamAssassin (timed out) Precedence: list Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jan 2005 20:47:08.0817 (UTC) FILETIME=[33E99810:01C503E8] We just got back from the vet. What a wonderful human this woman is. I sprayed the carrier with Feliway and put the Rescue Remedy on Gypsy's ear about an hour before we left, (thank you so much for suggesting them, I think they may have helped). She was, of course, still scared to death. I was trying to be calm, but I was pretty scared too. My fantastic husband took the morning off to come with us, (Bruce is Gypsy's favorite human), and I'm sure his presence helped as well. The vet thinks Gypsy has a chance to pull through! She's put her on a bland diet, boiled chicken breast and Kombu and Cruciferous veggies (cabbages) when boiling chicken, feeding her the broth as well. I'd done this before, but I guess I didn't give it long enough. She also sent me home with Vita B12 to inject SQ twice a week. I had been giving her the sublingual, but that isn't nearly as effective as the shot. That should give her energy and supplement the B12 she's losing due to the IBD. She also gave me a supplement called Nutrigest to add to her food. There's a ton of things in it, including the L-Glutamine, Probiotic cultures, Aloe extract, Folic Acid, if you're interested I'll send you the full list of ingredients. I'm not clear if she wants me to take her off the Methylpred shots and Metronidazole yet, I'm waiting for a call from the office. She also preformed acupuncture on Gypsy. Something I would have never imagined her to sit still for, but she did! Something else I wanted to tell you guys, was the way in which she examined Gypsy. We put the carrier on the table and covered it with a couple of towels, then we slowly removed the top of the carrier and covered her with the towel. She felt comfortable enough to stay there in the bottom part of the carrier, hidden in the towel, and let the doctor examine her and give her the acupuncture. What a simple, yet brilliant idea! I'm going to use it with all my babies when they're scared at the vets. This is the first time Gypsy has been able to be examined without having to drug her. I'm telling you, I love this vet! Thanks again for all the support! Nina
Re: Wellness and Eagle Pack
Let's just hope nothing changes BUT, I do think those of us who use it should monitor the food more closely for a while and note any changes. From: Barbara Lowe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@vlists.net To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: Re: Wellness and Eagle Pack Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 09:12:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from vlists.net ([208.186.168.62]) by mc5-f34.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Tue, 25 Jan 2005 06:12:31 -0800 Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j0PEBS408746for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 08:11:28 -0600 Received: by vps.vlists.net (TLB v0.11a (1.26 tibbs 1998/09/22 04:41:41)); Tue, 25 Jan 2005 08:11:27 -0600 (CST) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j0PEBR508608for felvtalk-utils; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 08:11:27 -0600 Received: from mta9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.42])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j0PEB8o07906for felvtalk@vlists.net; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 08:11:12 -0600 Received: from ebay (ool-182f1525.dyn.optonline.net [24.47.21.37]) by mta9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id [EMAIL PROTECTED] for felvtalk@vlists.net; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 09:10:34 -0500 (EST) X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jELoDVdYAivzybxWy4X6a7JLG/rFc1UM4w= X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Virus-Information: Virus Scanned By VLists.Net For Your Protection. Virus-Status: VLists.Net Found No Virus Spam-Status: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.567, required 5,autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.03, BAYES_00 -2.60) Precedence: list Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jan 2005 14:12:32.0843 (UTC) FILETIME=[E984E9B0:01C502E7] two/3 months ago i purchased a case of eagle pack canned food and one of the cans had botulism. i called the company and they immediately responded--sent me a coupon for a whole case, paid me to send back the can and contents if i still had them(i did-in the refrig) . I had been preoccupied and opened the can and the smell-peey! adn then saw bottom of can had popped. they wanted the original contents and can to trace the shipment to figure out what happened. actually what i later realized probably happened was that particular can was not part of the purchased case but among the loose freebies given me by a store owner from her sales rep--so it was probably older. my cats still eat the chicken and lamb cans. so still sounds like a responsible company to me... barbara - Original Message - From: Faye Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@vlists.net Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 7:47 PM Subject: Wellness and Eagle Pack I just found out from a dog board I belong to that these companies have been bought out. Wellness was bought out in 2003 and by 2004, all the original family who started the company had been fired (4 months ago). I stopped using Wellness about that time because I got 5 cases of canned food from their new plant that my cats would not eat. The ones that finally ate the food started having minor bacterial infections. I am not sure the infections are food related but I was concerned enough to drop Wellness and go to Eagle Pack. I had no idea the food had changed. Now, Eagle Pack has to be watched. If I learn any more about this, I will post it. Let's just hope that whoever bought these fine companies will maintain their integrity.
Re: [feline_lymphoma] IBD-- for Nina #2
I don't know if this would help but there is a feline IBD group on Yahoo. I joined when I was having problems with the kittens. The moderator is very knowledgeable. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FelineIBD/ From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@vlists.net To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: Re: [feline_lymphoma] IBD-- for Nina #2 Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 12:29:57 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from vlists.net ([208.186.168.62]) by mc2-f12.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Tue, 25 Jan 2005 12:28:48 -0800 Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j0PKSmM16442for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 14:28:48 -0600 Received: by vps.vlists.net (TLB v0.11a (1.26 tibbs 1998/09/22 04:41:41)); Tue, 25 Jan 2005 14:28:45 -0600 (CST) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j0PKSj516271for felvtalk-utils; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 14:28:45 -0600 Received: from out004.verizon.net (out004pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.142])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j0PKSTo15614for felvtalk@vlists.net; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 14:28:29 -0600 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([4.35.42.210]) by out004.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id [EMAIL PROTECTED] for felvtalk@vlists.net; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 14:27:59 -0600 X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jGLdtxr+/Uock6P+ubUETCT+bsHzcFzBfA= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.1) Gecko/20040707 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out004.verizon.net from [4.35.42.210] at Tue, 25 Jan 2005 14:27:57 -0600 Virus-Information: Virus Scanned By VLists.Net For Your Protection. Virus-Status: VLists.Net Found No Virus Spam-Status: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.562, required 5,autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.04, BAYES_00 -2.60) Precedence: list Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jan 2005 20:28:48.0568 (UTC) FILETIME=[79B32B80:01C5031C] You're right, at least I'd have a medical protocol to follow. She's only a year old and even though she's in a very weakened condition, she's a fighter. I know she doesn't want to leave. Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nina, I didn't think those two emails made it sound bad for Gypsy. Even if it is lymphoma, lymphoma often responds incredibly well to chemotherapy, and even just to steroids for a while, especially intestinal lymphoma. Compared to your thinking she is dying right now, a diagnosis of lymphoma would not necessarily be terrible-- it might meant she has treatment options and a possibility of good quality life at least for a while. I know that the main problem with her is that she is hard to catch and get veterinary care for, so maybe even steroids would be a challenge. But they can be given by injection Michelle
Re: Wellness and Eagle Pack
This is how it was explained to me. Wellness asked some investors to come in on the scene in 2003. These investors forced all of the original family members out last summer (2004). I do not know who these investors are. Now, Eagle has investors coming in the exact same way. It will be interesting to see what happens next. I don't know who they are. I do believe Wellness changed something last summer. I had 5 cases of canned food, all different flavors and from 2 different stores. The only common denominator was they all came from the new plant in Boston. All 9 of my cats refused to eat it. I have never had one cat even refuse a brand new food much less all of them refusing a food they normally eat and love. That is when I changed to Eagle Pack. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@vlists.net To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: Re: Wellness and Eagle Pack Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 17:32:43 EST MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from vlists.net ([208.186.168.62]) by MC8-F11.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Tue, 25 Jan 2005 14:35:41 -0800 Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j0PMYes06399for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 16:34:40 -0600 Received: by vps.vlists.net (TLB v0.11a (1.26 tibbs 1998/09/22 04:41:41)); Tue, 25 Jan 2005 16:34:37 -0600 (CST) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j0PMYbH06289for felvtalk-utils; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 16:34:37 -0600 Received: from imo-m18.mx.aol.com (imo-m18.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.208])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j0PMWto04835for felvtalk@vlists.net; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 16:32:55 -0600 Received: from [EMAIL PROTECTED] imo-m18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id x.a0.209c805e (4446) for felvtalk@vlists.net; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 17:32:43 -0500 (EST) X-Message-Info: 6sSXyD95QpVA1Z9jIvIDxDQzia5Lc7V1zJ8jQQrt5CU= X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 113 Virus-Information: Virus Scanned By VLists.Net For Your Protection. Virus-Status: VLists.Net Found No Virus Spam-Status: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.482, required 5,ADDR_NUMS_AT_BIGSITE 0.08, AWL 0.03, BAYES_00 -2.60,NO_REAL_NAME 0.01) Precedence: list Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jan 2005 22:35:41.0187 (UTC) FILETIME=[332CA530:01C5032E] Did it say who had bought the companies, or why? Makes one wonder why...was it to do away with competition, or were these companies having $$ difficulty? I'm bummed by the news...hadn't heard it before. Wellness has been one of the best quality cat foods available, one of the few with no grains in their canned food and less grain in the dry food than most others. In the PM I feed my cats a raw-based diet that I make, myself, most of the time but do keep some top qualilty canned on hand when I can't get all the ingredients or don't have time. In the morning, to save time and $$ I feed a 50/50 mix of Wellness Turkey Salmon and Nature's Variety Chicken and Rice. The furkids all like it and are doing well. Some of my older kittys are decidedly finicky with the canned foods and I have to be able to offer them a choice. Wellness and Nature's Variety are canned brands with no grains. Most of them like both of those as well as Innova, Calif. Natural, Newman's Own and Evolve, though some flavors better than others. Recently, a store where I get lower prices on most brands started carrying Merrick, another top quality brand with some interesting flavor combintions and one of my finicky geriatric girls loves their California Roll. My two youngest will eat anything they can stick their noses into. Innova recently came out with a dry dog food formula with NO GRAINS, and it would be great if they would do the same for cats. I had not heard those companies had been sold...Guess I will have to pay more attention and keep reading those labels religiously. Sally in San Jose
RE: Simon's a-romping in the snow
This is a great day brightner!!! Prayers still being said for him. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@vlists.net To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: Simon's a-romping in the snow Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 12:14:10 EST MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from vlists.net ([208.186.168.62]) by mc1-f26.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Sun, 23 Jan 2005 09:14:33 -0800 Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j0NHEZo29334for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 11:14:35 -0600 Received: by vps.vlists.net (TLB v0.11a (1.26 tibbs 1998/09/22 04:41:41)); Sun, 23 Jan 2005 11:14:34 -0600 (CST) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j0NHEYD29179for felvtalk-utils; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 11:14:34 -0600 Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com (imo-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.38])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j0NHESo29066for felvtalk@vlists.net; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 11:14:28 -0600 Received: from [EMAIL PROTECTED] imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id x.148.3cb33beb (2168) for felvtalk@vlists.net; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 12:14:10 -0500 (EST) X-Message-Info: 6sSXyD95QpVjnYVo3bPb3pKWSW8tfN9Wf4E0jKv5acY= X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 46 Virus-Information: Virus Scanned By VLists.Net For Your Protection. Virus-Status: VLists.Net Found No Virus Spam-Status: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.466, required 5, AWL 0.13,BAYES_00 -2.60, NO_REAL_NAME 0.01) Precedence: list Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jan 2005 17:14:33.0558 (UTC) FILETIME=[01F24760:01C5016F] Simon has been eating well, actually eating more cat food than other things, and went out in the snow last night and just now, walking on the paths we shoveled and loving it. Gray took a picture of him wide-eyed and surrounded by high walls of snow (it must be about 2 feet deep here and still coming down!). He came in, washed himself, ate some fancy feast, and is sitting by the wood stove looking pleased as pie. I am so grateful he has this time. He has an appointment to get Adriamycin for the first time on Thursday morning, if his blood work is good enough. Please keep fingers and toes crossed. Michelle
Re: FDA has frozen approvals of VO!
I have been thinking all weekend about other issues involving the FDA. I cannot believe their report determining that there is an acceptable level of pentobarbital in pet foods. Just as the FDA has been shown to be in bed with the larger pharmaceutical companies, I now suspect they are owned by the major pet food companies too. I just cannot believe there is any safe level of pentobarbital in pet foods. Frankly, I think there needs to be serious revamping of the FDA. I have been working on a letter to my congressman. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@vlists.net To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: Re: FDA has frozen approvals of VO! Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 13:31:12 EST MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from vlists.net ([208.186.168.62]) by mc7-f33.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 10:31:57 -0800 Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j0OIVvC26155for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 12:31:57 -0600 Received: by vps.vlists.net (TLB v0.11a (1.26 tibbs 1998/09/22 04:41:41)); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 12:31:54 -0600 (CST) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j0OIVrp26048for felvtalk-utils; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 12:31:53 -0600 Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com (imo-m21.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.2])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j0OIVWo25964for felvtalk@vlists.net; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 12:31:32 -0600 Received: from [EMAIL PROTECTED] imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id x.1f0.33f8d4c7 (4539) for felvtalk@vlists.net; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 13:31:12 -0500 (EST) X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jHxEhc9tjr6MYLwzxQPDX55V/2LBICVi3c= X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5005 Virus-Information: Virus Scanned By VLists.Net For Your Protection. Virus-Status: VLists.Net Found No Virus Spam-Status: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.381, required 5, AWL 0.15,BAYES_00 -2.60, HTML_30_40 0.02, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00,MIME_QP_LONG_LINE 0.04, NO_REAL_NAME 0.01) Precedence: list Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jan 2005 18:31:57.0845 (UTC) FILETIME=[FC91FC50:01C50242] Not even close. I asked the oncologist to give me the name and number of the person from the FDA who called him, and when I get it I plan to call and find out what I can, as well as who makes these decisions. My plan then was to enlist all of you as well as the Marley Fund and any other group I can convince to flood the decision-maker with emails, faxes, phone calls, and whatever and see what we can do. I think it depends on why the decision was made- if it has to do with bioterrorism protocols and the office of Homeland Security or the DOJ, I think we are probably not going to get very far. The other thing I did was email Matthew Scully, who wrote the book Dominion, which is a conservative's plug for animal welfare. He was a speech writer for Bush who was so moved by his FeLV+ cat he took in off the street and who died that he got heavily into animal welfare/rights issues and ended up quitting his speech writing job to write the book Dominion. Given his experience with his cat and his ties to the Bush administration, which controls the FDA, I emailed him to see if he can suggest anything or talk to anyone. I have not gotten a response, and do not really expect to because he probably gets thousands of emails and will not even read mine. I may see if Best Friends, which interviewed him about his cat in their magazine, might contact him for me. Those are my thoughts. Any additional thoughts or insights or suggestions are requested and welcome. Michelle In a message dated 1/24/05 1:21:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Michelle, just wondering if you've managed to resolve the VO situation. Kerry
Re: FDA has frozen approvals of VO!
I had not seen that one but am familiar with the information. That is why I feed the brands I feed. It just infuriates me. However, seeing the actual FDA report this weekend on pentobarbital was about the last straw for me. I was simply stunned at their findings. Just stunned. I don't want a drop of pentobarbital in my pet foods. From: Cherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@vlists.net To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: Re: FDA has frozen approvals of VO! Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 11:05:18 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from vlists.net ([208.186.168.62]) by mc5-f12.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 11:07:19 -0800 Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j0OJ6Iu28368for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 13:06:18 -0600 Received: by vps.vlists.net (TLB v0.11a (1.26 tibbs 1998/09/22 04:41:41)); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 13:06:15 -0600 (CST) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j0OJ6F028257for felvtalk-utils; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 13:06:15 -0600 Received: from web81407.mail.yahoo.com (web81407.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.37.96])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j0OJ5do27496for felvtalk@vlists.net; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 13:05:39 -0600 Received: from [68.79.60.21] by web81407.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 11:05:18 PST X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jHsRfvnbIlP0MOPmmuPogX+1GYqbtDK5pQ= Virus-Information: Virus Scanned By VLists.Net For Your Protection. Virus-Status: VLists.Net Found No Virus Spam-Status: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.339, required 5, AWL 0.01,BAYES_00 -2.60, HTML_10_20 0.25, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00) Precedence: list Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jan 2005 19:07:19.0187 (UTC) FILETIME=[ECFD1630:01C50247] Have you checked out this website http://www.geocities.com/petsfood/alert/ There is some pretty good information. Faye Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been thinking all weekend about other issues involving the FDA. I cannot believe their report determining that there is an acceptable level of pentobarbital in pet foods. Just as the FDA has been shown to be in bed with the larger pharmaceutical companies, I now suspect they are owned by the major pet food companies too. I just cannot believe there is any safe level of pentobarbital in pet foods. Frankly, I think there needs to be serious revamping of the FDA. I have been working on a letter to my congressman. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@vlists.net To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: Re: FDA has frozen approvals of VO! Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 13:31:12 EST MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from vlists.net ([208.186.168.62]) by mc7-f33.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 10:31:57 -0800 Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j0OIVvC26155for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 12:31:57 -0600 Received: by vps.vlists.net (TLB v0.11a (1.26 tibbs 1998/09/22 04:41:41)); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 12:31:54 -0600 (CST) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j0OIVrp26048for felvtalk-utils; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 12:31:53 -0600 Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com (imo-m21.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.2])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j0OIVWo25964for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 12:31:32 -0600 Received: from [EMAIL PROTECTED] imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id x.1f0.33f8d4c7 (4539) for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 13:31:12 -0500 (EST) X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jHxEhc9tjr6MYLwzxQPDX55V/2LBICVi3c= X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5005 Virus-Information: Virus Scanned By VLists.Net For Your Protection. Virus-Status: VLists.Net Found No Virus Spam-Status: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.381, required 5, AWL 0.15,BAYES_00 -2.60, HTML_30_40 0.02, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00,MIME_QP_LONG_LINE 0.04, NO_REAL_NAME 0.01) Precedence: list Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jan 2005 18:31:57.0845 (UTC) FILETIME=[FC91FC50:01C50242] Not even close. I asked the oncologist to give me the name and number of the person from the FDA who called him, and when I get it I plan to call and find out what I can, as well as who makes these decisions. My plan then was to enlist all of you as well as the Marley Fund and any other group I can convince to flood the decision-maker with emails, faxes, phone calls, and whatever and see what we can do. I think it depends on why the decision was made- if it has to do with bioterrorism protocols and the office of Homeland Security or the DOJ, I think we are probably not going to get very far. The other thing I did was email Matthew Scully, who wrote the book Dominion, which is a conservative's plug for animal welfare. He was a speech writer for Bush who was so moved by his FeLV+ cat he took in off the street and who died that he got heavily into animal welfare/rights issues and ended up quitting his speech writing job to write the book Dominion. Given his experience with his cat and his ties
Re: FDA has frozen approvals of VO!
There are lots of good foods now and more come out every day. I use Eagle Pack and have to mail order it. Other brands that are good: Innova, Wellness, Solid Gold, Chicken Soup for the Soul, Natural Balance, Newman's Own, Nature's Variety, Prescise. These companies do not use euthanized animals in their diet. They also tend to have more meat in them than grocery store and vet foods. Quality pet stores and feed and seed stores often sell these good brands. I live in a rural area and we don't have a lot of quality stores. I do think that when you are dealing with a very sick animal, it is important to feed completely wholesome food to them. Of course when you are dealing with severe eating problems, you just get them to eat whatever you can. From: Cherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@vlists.net To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: Re: FDA has frozen approvals of VO! Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 11:51:20 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from vlists.net ([208.186.168.62]) by mc5-f22.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 11:53:56 -0800 Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j0OJpt708538for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 13:51:55 -0600 Received: by vps.vlists.net (TLB v0.11a (1.26 tibbs 1998/09/22 04:41:41)); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 13:51:52 -0600 (CST) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j0OJpqm08090for felvtalk-utils; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 13:51:52 -0600 Received: from web81403.mail.yahoo.com (web81403.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.37.92])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j0OJpWo07734for felvtalk@vlists.net; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 13:51:32 -0600 Received: from [68.79.60.21] by web81403.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 11:51:20 PST X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jFYoRv8Yl9N3Xvme+XNV/d4wY3NZTu2SqA= Virus-Information: Virus Scanned By VLists.Net For Your Protection. Virus-Status: VLists.Net Found No Virus Spam-Status: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.341, required 5, AWL 0.01,BAYES_00 -2.60, HTML_10_20 0.25, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00) Precedence: list Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jan 2005 19:53:56.0198 (UTC) FILETIME=[70231860:01C5024E] What kinds of foods do you buy, and where do you get them? Cherie Faye Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When pets are euthanized at a vet clinic, they use sodium pentobarbital to kill them. They then (unless you reclaim the body) sell/give the body to a rendering plant that sells the rendered fat to pet food companies. All of the major grocery store foods and the vet foods have this stuff in it. Hills has long admitted to using euthanized pets in their foods. The thing is that after pet foods are complete, there are still levels of pentobarbital in the pet food. Some veterinarians believe that some animals are becoming more resistant to anesthesia because of the levels of pentobarbital in pet food. The FDA claims this is not true and that the levels of pentobarbital are safe in the pet foods. I just cannot buy this. You will never convince me that the stuff is completely safe. From: Cherie A Gabbert Reply-To: felvtalk@vlists.net To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: Re: FDA has frozen approvals of VO! Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 11:30:48 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from vlists.net ([208.186.168.62]) by MC8-F30.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 11:33:18 -0800 Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j0OJVIS22118for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 13:31:18 -0600 Received: by vps.vlists.net (TLB v0.11a (1.26 tibbs 1998/09/22 04:41:41)); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 13:31:17 -0600 (CST) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j0OJVG921992for felvtalk-utils; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 13:31:17 -0600 Received: from web81402.mail.yahoo.com (web81402.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.37.91])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j0OJV5o21802for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 13:31:05 -0600 Received: from [68.79.60.21] by web81402.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 11:30:48 PST X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jEPa4UMhRyFltRnLWnpz0mVUwxakJyUn4A= Virus-Information: Virus Scanned By VLists.Net For Your Protection. Virus-Status: VLists.Net Found No Virus Spam-Status: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.34, required 5, AWL 0.01,BAYES_00 -2.60, HTML_10_20 0.25, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00) Precedence: list Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jan 2005 19:33:18.0825 (UTC) FILETIME=[8E9AF590:01C5024B] What is it? Cherie Faye Lewis wrote: I had not seen that one but am familiar with the information. That is why I feed the brands I feed. It just infuriates me. However, seeing the actual FDA report this weekend on pentobarbital was about the last straw for me. I was simply stunned at their findings. Just stunned. I don't want a drop of pentobarbital in my pet foods. From: Cherie A Gabbert Reply-To: felvtalk@vlists.net To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: Re: FDA has
Re: FDA has frozen approvals of VO!
When Magellan was sick last September and would not eat, I bought every bit of junk I could find. Any kind of eating is better than no eating. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@vlists.net To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: Re: FDA has frozen approvals of VO! Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 15:11:55 EST MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from vlists.net ([208.186.168.62]) by mc7-f41.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 12:12:23 -0800 Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j0OKCMm29593for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 14:12:22 -0600 Received: by vps.vlists.net (TLB v0.11a (1.26 tibbs 1998/09/22 04:41:41)); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 14:12:21 -0600 (CST) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j0OKCLk29276for felvtalk-utils; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 14:12:21 -0600 Received: from imo-m18.mx.aol.com (imo-m18.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.208])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j0OKC6o29149for felvtalk@vlists.net; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 14:12:06 -0600 Received: from [EMAIL PROTECTED] imo-m18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id x.1f4.472043d (4184) for felvtalk@vlists.net; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 15:11:55 -0500 (EST) X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jHqdUVs9JoQWoUyE/51EKyR3Pcbrp9QJUo= X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5005 Virus-Information: Virus Scanned By VLists.Net For Your Protection. Virus-Status: VLists.Net Found No Virus Spam-Status: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.379, required 5, AWL 0.14,BAYES_00 -2.60, HTML_40_50 0.04, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00,MIME_QP_LONG_LINE 0.04, NO_REAL_NAME 0.01) Precedence: list Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jan 2005 20:12:23.0294 (UTC) FILETIME=[040489E0:01C50251] I only feed my cats the brands mentioned and others like them, mostly Wellness and Felidae (another good brand) and Wysong. But since Simon has been sick I feed him whatever he will eat. Sometimes he does eat some of the healthy stuff, but usually will only eat other stuff. Some of the foods in the grocery store do not contain meat by-products, such as certain flavors of Fancy Feast and Meow Mix packets. If they do not say meat by-products or something similarly vague, then they do not have euthanized cats and dogs in them. You want foods to specify what kind of meat, like fish, poultry, beef, etc. Michelle In a message dated 1/24/05 3:07:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I do think that when you are dealing with a very sick animal, it is important to feed completely wholesome food to them. Of course when you are dealing with severe eating problems, you just get them to eat whatever you can.
RE: Levi
Another thing to try is green tripe (not white because that is bleached). Green tripe is about as disgusting as you can get but I often find it helpful for sick dogs and cats. It is decent nutrtion to. You can buy the canned stuff and keep on hand (Tripett). From: MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@vlists.net To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: RE: Levi Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 16:26:39 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from vlists.net ([208.186.168.62]) by MC6-F31.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 14:27:53 -0800 Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j0OMQwX02081for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 16:26:58 -0600 Received: by vps.vlists.net (TLB v0.11a (1.26 tibbs 1998/09/22 04:41:41)); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 16:26:56 -0600 (CST) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j0OMQuL01898for felvtalk-utils; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 16:26:56 -0600 Received: from mail01.mayerbrownrowe.com (mail01.mayerbrownrowe.com [143.58.246.228])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j0OMQeo01443for felvtalk@vlists.net; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 16:26:40 -0600 Received: from CHI-EXBH02.americas.global-legal.com ([143.58.241.95])by mail01.mayerbrownrowe.com (Switch-3.1.4/Switch-3.1.0) with ESMTP id j0OMOLxb023473for felvtalk@vlists.net; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 16:24:21 -0600 Received: from CHI-EXCLMB02.americas.global-legal.com ([143.58.241.72]) by CHI-EXBH02.americas.global-legal.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 16:26:39 -0600 X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jGimwSjJBxhoXvsC0Oq+Jx/TtTQ03A8KAU= X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Levi Thread-Index: AcUCYm77OU04Z7o5SIWPiDX3A5lZDwAATmhg X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jan 2005 22:26:39.0844 (UTC) FILETIME=[C6188240:01C50263] Virus-Information: Virus Scanned By VLists.Net For Your Protection. Virus-Status: VLists.Net Found No Virus Spam-Status: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.471, required 5, AWL 0.02,BAYES_00 -2.60, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00, HTML_SHOUTING3 0.02,HTML_TEXT_AFTER_BODY 0.06, HTML_TEXT_AFTER_HTML 0.03) Precedence: list Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] My problem is that I don't have a comprehensive list of what it's ok/not ok to give cats. Hey, I'll check with you guys. Thanks again---Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 4:16 PM To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: RE: Levi Would he eat the Nutrical off your finger?? My theory is that any food is better than none so maybe go thru your refrig try everything-cheese, my cats love eggs with cheese, tuna, tuna water, I have one who loves my cereal (especially if its in milk); one loves blue cheese; just passing this on as sometimes we sort of assume they won't eat something they floor you. I realize how frustrating this must be-hang in there-and yes, he is living the life of a lord! Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry N. Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 1:30 PM To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: RE: Levi Hmm. I got the roast beef and the honey baked ham, and a third meat that you recommended, forgotten what now---he won't eat any of them now. I'll bear the Turkey Ham in mind. (Sometimes when I'm in lighter mood, I like to think he's just decided he wants to live the life of a lord and have me running ragged on his account! ) Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 12:26 PM To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: Levi One thing that Simon was crazy about when he first got sick was Turkey Ham, sliced from the deli counter at the supermarket. Michelle In a message dated 1/24/05 1:19:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A quick Q---Levi's problem is anemia, and all he will eat is sour cream. Is there anything I could hide in sour cream that will help the anemia? Pet Tinic? Hi Vite? I've never used either. Thanks in advance everyone. kerry This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Wellness and Eagle Pack
I just found out from a dog board I belong to that these companies have been bought out. Wellness was bought out in 2003 and by 2004, all the original family who started the company had been fired (4 months ago). I stopped using Wellness about that time because I got 5 cases of canned food from their new plant that my cats would not eat. The ones that finally ate the food started having minor bacterial infections. I am not sure the infections are food related but I was concerned enough to drop Wellness and go to Eagle Pack. I had no idea the food had changed. Now, Eagle Pack has to be watched. If I learn any more about this, I will post it. Let's just hope that whoever bought these fine companies will maintain their integrity.
OT--Raw feeding group for cats
Do any of you know of any quality raw feeding groups on the web?
Re: Is FeLV really the WORST?
Cherie, I am also sorry about your child. That is a terrible tragedy. That is said to be the worst tragedy a person can go through and I have no doubt it is. From: Cherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@vlists.net To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: Re: Is FeLV really the WORST? Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 23:38:41 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from vlists.net ([208.186.168.62]) by mc1-f18.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Sat, 22 Jan 2005 23:39:05 -0800 Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j0N7d5724660for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 01:39:05 -0600 Received: by vps.vlists.net (TLB v0.11a (1.26 tibbs 1998/09/22 04:41:41)); Sun, 23 Jan 2005 01:39:04 -0600 (CST) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j0N7d4424515for felvtalk-utils; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 01:39:04 -0600 Received: from web81401.mail.yahoo.com (web81401.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.37.90])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j0N7cqo24450for felvtalk@vlists.net; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 01:38:52 -0600 Received: from [68.79.4.188] by web81401.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 23:38:41 PST X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jGkxfb5aGDo+b21FVxQwv8B365jxO8l7HM= Virus-Information: Virus Scanned By VLists.Net For Your Protection. Virus-Status: VLists.Net Found No Virus Spam-Status: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.429, required 5,autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.13, BAYES_00 -2.60, HTML_40_50 0.04,HTML_MESSAGE 0.00) Precedence: list Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jan 2005 07:39:05.0300 (UTC) FILETIME=[9D803940:01C5011E] Thank you, I am much better now :-)), takes some time to get over but, needless to say it is hard to loose anyone and pets and people in my book are one and the same. Thanks again Cherie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/22/2005 4:37:01 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Snowball was playing and eating with the bleeding so it just was one of those things. Not to mention my daughter (age 1) bled to death in my arms, many years ago. CHERIE OMG how horrible..no wonder Snowball dieing like he did was so scary for youI am sorry about your little girl... Lisa and fur-brats Akira--FeLV miracle baby www.geocities.com/anzajaguar Indy-- Truley Indian Jones as a cat..FEARLESS Lance- Mini wire haired dashchund Bow-Tie- 2yr old (sss he doesnt know he is 15 :) ) jack russel cross Bennie Bird-- Vampire cockatiel Anza-- sexist Senegal parrot..deffinantly a ladies bird :)
Re: Leeloo is at rest
I'm sorry about this kitty too. This is so sad. From: catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@vlists.net To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: Re: Leeloo is at rest Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 02:22:38 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from vlists.net ([208.186.168.62]) by mc1-f32.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Sat, 22 Jan 2005 03:16:47 -0800 Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j0MBGlp05519for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 05:16:47 -0600 Received: by vps.vlists.net (TLB v0.11a (1.26 tibbs 1998/09/22 04:41:41)); Sat, 22 Jan 2005 05:16:43 -0600 (CST) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j0MBGgC05185for felvtalk-utils; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 05:16:42 -0600 Received: from web30510.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30510.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.123])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j0MAMno11650for felvtalk@vlists.net; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 04:22:49 -0600 Received: (qmail 74173 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Jan 2005 10:22:38 - Received: from [4.153.217.232] by web30510.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 02:22:38 PST X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jFmi1rTvalXmWOYRDu2LRf7WGsl9e6XSIQ= Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=lmw17Oi1hAf3NX+gjN0FRkTaibqg+uoXyBnpTkqliMq70fRz8uexbyaFRVbp191LTHMhEZvnl7l+o5jGqrILyTklnClgMHbT677dkC4KfVZI6x+Ybm0rh9nklaOw2tDq9sQggFwSA0BtCu+jxofEFL+Jcjn9KTF/EnpgEaLm68g= ; Virus-Information: Virus Scanned By VLists.Net For Your Protection. Virus-Status: VLists.Net Found No Virus Spam-Status: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-0.533, required 5, AWL -0.65,BAYES_00 -2.60, FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD 2.70, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00,HTML_SHOUTING3 0.02) Precedence: list Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jan 2005 11:16:47.0425 (UTC) FILETIME=[DCB89310:01C50073] I'm so sorry, Steve. tonya Steve Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you Terrie. Please light a special candle now. Tonight she has gone to a better place. She was the sweetest little spunky kitty. She was the lightest orange tabby, which made her very beautiful and had the softest fur I have ever touched and the largest most gorgeous tail. We loved her so much. Thanks to you all for your support. Steve -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 8:38 PM To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: Re: Update on Leeloo Steve, Leeloo is in my thoughts and prayers. I have lit a candle for all the sick furbabies tonight. Vote for my Rescue Siameses KITTEN TRIO it's a race please continue voting. http://www.pnwanimaladoption.com/contest.html Terrie Mohr Check site for available Siameses for adoption! More will be posted soon. http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Owner/Driver Petfinder.com Adopt a Homeless Pet! http://www.petfinder.com/ http://www.awca.net/index.htm http://www.felineleukemia.org/ http://www.petloss.com/ http://www.meezer.com/ http://thesiamesestore.com/ http://tx.siameserescue.org/adopt.html http://ca.siameserescue.org/ http://co.siameserescue.org/ http://va.siameserescue.org/
Re: Leeloo is at rest
I believe this too. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@vlists.net To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: Re: Leeloo is at rest Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 12:44:11 EST MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from vlists.net ([208.186.168.62]) by MC6-F28.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Sat, 22 Jan 2005 09:44:43 -0800 Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j0MHig205020for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 11:44:42 -0600 Received: by vps.vlists.net (TLB v0.11a (1.26 tibbs 1998/09/22 04:41:41)); Sat, 22 Jan 2005 11:44:40 -0600 (CST) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j0MHidH04938for felvtalk-utils; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 11:44:39 -0600 Received: from imo-m18.mx.aol.com (imo-m18.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.208])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j0MHiPo04908for felvtalk@vlists.net; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 11:44:25 -0600 Received: from [EMAIL PROTECTED] imo-m18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id x.f7.48683126 (4410) for felvtalk@vlists.net; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 12:44:11 -0500 (EST) X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jEiwj5stRT1R6C1jUYP8WMsX7r98PjYOcM= X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1200 Virus-Information: Virus Scanned By VLists.Net For Your Protection. Virus-Status: VLists.Net Found No Virus Spam-Status: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.382, required 5, AWL 0.17,BAYES_00 -2.60, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE 0.04,NO_REAL_NAME 0.01) Precedence: list Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jan 2005 17:44:43.0215 (UTC) FILETIME=[0E2C45F0:01C500AA] Steve, I am so sorry to hear that. I have a firm belief that the universe does not leave us here on this world to suffer if we can't be fixed in some way. By letting her go, you've given her the chance to become whole again. Melissa
Re: article about feline leukemia by Dr. Susan Little
Since all my cats have been tested and are negative, I would not bring a positive cat into the household. Should one of my original 3 go positive, I probably won't separate since all have been exposed to each other. Now, when I added my last batch of kittens, I did separate for 90 days and all new additions were tested before they finally were allowed contact with each other. My newest additions were going to end up at the Humane Society where their lives would have ended. Whatever time I can give them is more than they were fated in the first place. They are all vaccinated. I can't promise them anything except the moment and that is extremely high quality. My original postive cat had been in my household (no cat was an outside cat) for 10 months before getting sick. He had been tested the first 24 hours that I owned him and he tested negative. My vet is convinced he had the illness when tested but it was hidden in the bone marrow. Ten months later I adopted two healthy kittens. The positive cat was obsessed with the new kittens. He groomed them by the hour. Shared water, food, litter boxes and bedding. However, he never bit the kittens or mated with them (all parties were male). I had the kittens 3 weeks when the cat became ill. Thus the nightmare began. From: catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@vlists.net To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: Re: article about feline leukemia by Dr. Susan Little Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 10:15:50 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from vlists.net ([208.186.168.62]) by mc3-f14.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Sat, 22 Jan 2005 10:16:24 -0800 Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j0MIGNJ28510for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 12:16:23 -0600 Received: by vps.vlists.net (TLB v0.11a (1.26 tibbs 1998/09/22 04:41:41)); Sat, 22 Jan 2005 12:16:22 -0600 (CST) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j0MIGMj28414for felvtalk-utils; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 12:16:22 -0600 Received: from web30509.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30509.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.122])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j0MIG9o28359for felvtalk@vlists.net; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 12:16:10 -0600 Received: (qmail 32829 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Jan 2005 18:15:50 - Received: from [4.153.219.133] by web30509.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 10:15:50 PST X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jGEfYjpVIOZou6zy3mUagBCsb7QGPtHEdY= Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=43xUdna51PrWrDDOzyK2jsqm8G0/zrQDxXvP2oLSG737Glya4bp+7XzMlWNikI0V28U5Z0v0JQfGihqF2xorE2Ti0Rdopvpj2wqi3lgNy4kiQwDP4+Ns5oZGr/73nhZwtHlidP4CMCu1UlfPrNoOFzeRWQhOpmeLQTqjOTd3cX4= ; Virus-Information: Virus Scanned By VLists.Net For Your Protection. Virus-Status: VLists.Net Found No Virus Spam-Status: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-0.341, required 5, AWL -0.69,BAYES_00 -2.60, FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD 2.70, HTML_10_20 0.25,HTML_MESSAGE 0.00) Precedence: list Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jan 2005 18:16:24.0880 (UTC) FILETIME=[7BA75300:01C500AE] My cats share dishes and litters. And the thing is, just like the message about Killian. She has never tested positive till now at 11 years old! And as far as they know she's never been exposed. I just don't think there's enough known about the transmission, etc... to come up with any hard and fast rules to follow besides keeping positives away from young kittens and unvaccinated cats. That's about all I worry about now. The rest will have to take care of itself, because I don't think anyone can know what will happen. If one of my 11 year old cats comes up positive next month does it mean it caught it from my positive, or it's always had it 'sequestered' or something like this case with Killian? And as she says, even though Killian now tests positive she still is perfectly healthy! She may never get sick from it. Who knows? Evidently no one, so I'm not stressing myself or my cats out over things like that anymore. I did at first, but now I'm not. I would not bring in an unvaccinated adult or any kitten (unless it was already positive FOR SURE) into my household at this time. But I would bring in another positive, or an adult, healthy, vaccinated cat ( if I could add another cat to my already crowded household). t Faye Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The virus is fragile and has a short life outside the body. However, fresh urine and fresh saliva would be a risk. However, it seems, based on a some people's experience that blood exchange is the most efficient means of transmitting the disease as in bites or being born to an FeLV mother. That does not mean that saliva, etc cannot pass the disease-- just that it seems to be harder to transmit this way. My two kittens were excessively groomed by my positive cat, shared food, water and litter
Re: article about feline leukemia by Dr. Susan Little
This is a worrisome illness. It just is the worst thing I have ever encountered. I hate it. I just hate it. It is impossible to tell how your cat caught it. He could have gotten from the dishes or litter boxes but he may have been bitten without you knowing it too. Cat bites are difficult to find on a cat body unless they are infected. Most cats have a squabble or two. The only reason I know Tigger did not bite the kittens because he was never left unattended with them. From: Cherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@vlists.net To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: Re: article about feline leukemia by Dr. Susan Little Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 11:02:37 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from vlists.net ([208.186.168.62]) by mc3-f10.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Sat, 22 Jan 2005 11:03:02 -0800 Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j0MJ32x27282for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 13:03:02 -0600 Received: by vps.vlists.net (TLB v0.11a (1.26 tibbs 1998/09/22 04:41:41)); Sat, 22 Jan 2005 13:02:59 -0600 (CST) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j0MJ2xH27181for felvtalk-utils; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 13:02:59 -0600 Received: from web81408.mail.yahoo.com (web81408.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.37.97])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j0MJ2ko27017for felvtalk@vlists.net; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 13:02:46 -0600 Received: from [68.20.7.242] by web81408.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 11:02:37 PST X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jE61/FuNf2XE3TH/2WrJOiOkqtAzmHWtxs= Virus-Information: Virus Scanned By VLists.Net For Your Protection. Virus-Status: VLists.Net Found No Virus Spam-Status: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.379, required 5, AWL -0.03,BAYES_00 -2.60, HTML_10_20 0.25, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00) Precedence: list Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jan 2005 19:03:02.0446 (UTC) FILETIME=[FF2204E0:01C500B4] I know noone said, saliva or urine, my vet actually told me prolonged nose to nose contact and a bite from the infected cat, but then I ask myself how did Snowball get it and past so violently. I just want to make sure I know all I can about this, just incase one of my others comes up positive.They share water and food but, usually one will eat and then a little while later another will come along to nibble, there is time inbetween the two eating out of the same dish. As for the kitty litter box, well I have three boxes and they all get used, sometimes they almost form a line at the favorite one, like the womens restroom, so urine would be a concern. I just am a worry wart if I do not have something to worry about with my babies, I think something is wrong with me. Cherie Faye Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The virus is fragile and has a short life outside the body. However, fresh urine and fresh saliva would be a risk. However, it seems, based on a some people's experience that blood exchange is the most efficient means of transmitting the disease as in bites or being born to an FeLV mother. That does not mean that saliva, etc cannot pass the disease-- just that it seems to be harder to transmit this way. My two kittens were excessively groomed by my positive cat, shared food, water and litter boxes and thus far (24 months) have not been positive and they have each had 9 tests. Now, to complicate matters there seems to be some genetic protection for some cats. In other words, some cats are genetically prevented from getting the disease at all (small percentage) BUT we have no way of knowing if our cats are genetically protected. My kittens may not have gotten the disease because a)they are genetically protected or b)the virus was too wimpy to infect or c)they did not lick themselves immediately after the positive cat licked them nor ate while the virus was still alive or d) some unknown fact or just plain luck or 3)they may yet still go positive. No one has said that the disease cannot be passed with saliva, urine, litter boxes etc. Some of us think that isn't the most likely means of transmission and we could very well be wrong but are willing to risk it by not segregating our negative and positive cats. This is not an easy decision and the answers are not black and white because there is a lot we still do not know about the disease. From: Cherie A Gabbert Reply-To: felvtalk@vlists.net To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: Re: article about feline leukemia by Dr. Susan Little Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 07:39:26 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from vlists.net ([208.186.168.62]) by mc4-f36.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Sat, 22 Jan 2005 07:39:50 -0800 Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j0MFdo101311for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 09:39:50 -0600 Received: by vps.vlists.net (TLB v0.11a (1.26 tibbs 1998/09/22 04:41:41)); Sat, 22 Jan 2005 09:39:47 -0600 (CST) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED
Re: Is FeLV really the WORST?
Around here, FIP is not that common but I have no doubt it is awful. For me, this has been the worst experience I have had. The psychological torment. I love these cats so much. I cannot explain it to anyone. I love all of my pets but Simba and the twins have a special place in my heart. Their loss is just an unbearable concept to me. I never know when or if the shoe is going to drop. Every sniffle could be the beginning of the end. I have never gone through anything like this. Plus, with the twins having been kittens, my vets really thought their demise would show up rather soon after the first exposure. Plus, when Tigger was diagnosed, I did not see it coming. All I knew is that he threw up the night before. I thought maybe he had eaten something that did not agree with him. It was a very stunning shock. He went down so fast. Plus, he had tested negative and had been vaccinated so I just didn't imagine anything like this. From: Cherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@vlists.net To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: Re: Is FeLV really the WORST? Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 13:36:19 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from vlists.net ([208.186.168.62]) by MC6-F38.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Sat, 22 Jan 2005 13:36:45 -0800 Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j0MLaiu29283for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 15:36:44 -0600 Received: by vps.vlists.net (TLB v0.11a (1.26 tibbs 1998/09/22 04:41:41)); Sat, 22 Jan 2005 15:36:43 -0600 (CST) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j0MLah929189for felvtalk-utils; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 15:36:43 -0600 Received: from web81401.mail.yahoo.com (web81401.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.37.90])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j0MLaZo29118for felvtalk@vlists.net; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 15:36:35 -0600 Received: from [68.20.7.242] by web81401.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 13:36:19 PST X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jFJ3Rrhalozsq8RRoZBqSWIaP3tgLlXn/I= Virus-Information: Virus Scanned By VLists.Net For Your Protection. Virus-Status: VLists.Net Found No Virus Spam-Status: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.379, required 5, AWL -0.03,BAYES_00 -2.60, HTML_10_20 0.25, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00) Precedence: list Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jan 2005 21:36:45.0490 (UTC) FILETIME=[787ED920:01C500CA] Point taken Sally, As far as I can tell from my personal stand point, I think FeLV is the worst, but I am sure we can debate on bad or worse all day. There are more vicious diseases out there, as with everything. Luckily and not so luckily, my expierence with this is limited, I just can tell you watching a kitty bleed to death is very hard to do. Snowball was playing and eating with the bleeding so it just was one of those things. Not to mention my daughter (age 1) bled to death in my arms, many years ago. Watching and being with a dieing animal is hard no matter what the disease, and we all can attest to it, so I guess it does not matter better or worse sicknesses it is just a shame there has to be any. Cherie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Cherie: While FeLV is a horrid disease to deal with, with so few givens and so many unanswered questions, there ARE worse things to deal with. I haven't had any personal experience dealing with it, but if you were to ask listmember Denise Uriarte here in San Jose, I think she will tell you that FIP is even worse to deal with than FeLV. She has dealt with both. Kittys who develop FIP (a mutated form of the corona virus) may exhibit none to mild symptoms in the early stages on infection, and that is when they are infectious to other cats. By the time they are actively showing classic symptoms of the disease, they are said to be no longer contagious. And some cats can evidently be latent carriers and never show symptoms, themselves. There is NO TEST which can positively tell you a cat has FIP...the only way to absolutely confirm it is through necropsy. A high corona titer may be an indication, but not absolutely as a cat exposed to it but not becoming infected may have a high antibody titer. There are two forms, the dry and wet form. With the wet form there is excessive buildup of a stringy proteinaceous fluid in the abdomen or chest and cats with this form succumb rather quickly. With the dry form, a cat can linger for several months and in the end stages there can be neurological damage which causes seizures and the cat may be disoriented and crashing into walls in its distress. Not a pretty sight to observe. Just as with there being no explanation as to why the FeLV virus mutates into one of its more virulent subgroups in some cats and not others, I've never seen an explanation as to why the corona virus mutates to FIP in some cats, but not others. Immuno-compromised cats, such as those with FeLV are said to be more suseceptible. In '03, Denise lost two kittens from
RE: Levi's result
Kerry, I am sorry about Levi's report. I have no suggestions or advice but will remember both of you in my prayers. From: MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@vlists.net To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: Levi's result Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 13:57:37 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from vlists.net ([208.186.168.62]) by mc4-f17.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Fri, 21 Jan 2005 11:58:20 -0800 Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j0LJw9p32256for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 13:58:09 -0600 Received: by vps.vlists.net (TLB v0.11a (1.26 tibbs 1998/09/22 04:41:41)); Fri, 21 Jan 2005 13:58:08 -0600 (CST) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j0LJw7J32101for felvtalk-utils; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 13:58:07 -0600 Received: from mail01.mayerbrownrowe.com (mail1.mayerbrownrowe.com [143.58.246.228])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j0LJvto32026for felvtalk@vlists.net; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 13:57:55 -0600 Received: from CHI-EXBH02.americas.global-legal.com ([143.58.241.95])by mail01.mayerbrownrowe.com (Switch-3.1.4/Switch-3.1.0) with ESMTP id j0LJtU6j025796for felvtalk@vlists.net; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 13:55:30 -0600 Received: from CHI-EXCLMB02.americas.global-legal.com ([143.58.241.72]) by CHI-EXBH02.americas.global-legal.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Fri, 21 Jan 2005 13:57:38 -0600 X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jFg1J43jGhoJcaEDw230qkOqEUdDwWzBXQ= X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Levi's result Thread-Index: AcT/0tQSR8DAIuhJQKuhUbhXHG3mEgADK7Gw X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jan 2005 19:57:38.0193 (UTC) FILETIME=[75379810:01C4FFF3] Virus-Information: Virus Scanned By VLists.Net For Your Protection. Virus-Status: VLists.Net Found No Virus Spam-Status: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.464, required 5, AWL 0.01,BAYES_00 -2.60, HTML_40_50 0.04, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00,HTML_TEXT_AFTER_BODY 0.06, HTML_TEXT_AFTER_HTML 0.03) Precedence: list Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The vet's assistant just called me. (I'm kinda upset that the vet herself didn't call. She's supposed to be calling on Monday.) Specifically, Levi is very anaemic. She also used the word 'toxic'. While I (obviously!) know what toxic means, I don't know what it means exactly in this situation. She didn't offer any suggestion (via the assistant), apart from to give him fluids, force-feeding, and interferon to make him comfortable. When I pushed the assistant, she said 'pet tinic' which I know has been mentioned here. When I pushed her again for more info re his prognosis, she said the vet had said the prognosis was 'bad'. I have the fax of the bloodwork results, but I had to pick it up manually. I have no clue how to interpret the figures. Normally it would be on my computer system, and I could attach it to this, but our computer system seems to be screwed up today. I'm going to make a liver shake for him tonight and try as many things as you wonderful guys have suggested as necessary. I'm picking up cyproheptadine compound chews tomorrow noon. I want be positive for Levi's sake but it doesn't look good. I've cancelled all social stuff this weekend, and will be at home to keep a very close eye on him. Any suggestions welcome. Your collective experience is far greater in my opinion than the vet's. I'm not sure I'm getting the best perspective on his condition from the vet. I'm grateful she does housecalls, and gets the job done in catching him, and drawing blood (it took 3 attempts from 3 legs) but I get frustrated by the lack of feedback (and the long wait for it--Monday!). Kerry This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: need ideas for appetite stimulant for Levi
My vet recommends valium for serious cases. The downside is that the cat will hallucinate or overestimate its ability to do odd things. We were going to use it on Magellan when he was sick but I gave him 4 hours to eat on his own. He ate in 2 hours. My vet wanted him put into a carrier while he was under the influence of valium if I chose to use it. He said that it does work really well.. From: MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@vlists.net To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: need ideas for appetite stimulant for Levi Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 13:32:25 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from vlists.net ([208.186.168.62]) by mc1-f28.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Thu, 20 Jan 2005 11:32:59 -0800 Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j0KJWxQ28410for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 13:32:59 -0600 Received: by vps.vlists.net (TLB v0.11a (1.26 tibbs 1998/09/22 04:41:41)); Thu, 20 Jan 2005 13:32:56 -0600 (CST) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j0KJWtD28244for felvtalk-utils; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 13:32:55 -0600 Received: from mail02.mayerbrownrowe.com (mail01.mayerbrownrowe.com [143.58.246.228])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j0KJWdo28011for felvtalk@vlists.net; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 13:32:40 -0600 Received: from CHI-EXBH02.americas.global-legal.com ([143.58.241.95])by mail02.mayerbrownrowe.com (Switch-3.1.4/Switch-3.1.0) with ESMTP id j0KJSia2005256for felvtalk@vlists.net; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 13:28:44 -0600 Received: from CHI-EXCLMB02.americas.global-legal.com ([143.58.241.72]) by CHI-EXBH02.americas.global-legal.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 20 Jan 2005 13:32:25 -0600 X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jEcrl95peaol7Pb+z1IVrzgWpcJ7u7z9/M= X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: need ideas for appetite stimulant for Levi Thread-Index: AcT+lRrYJafLVV8uTl+vMpz4G6mzxwAj7Cpg X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jan 2005 19:32:25.0265 (UTC) FILETIME=[C5075A10:01C4FF26] Virus-Information: Virus Scanned By VLists.Net For Your Protection. Virus-Status: VLists.Net Found No Virus Spam-Status: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.432, required 5, AWL -0.02,BAYES_00 -2.60, DRUGS_ANXIETY 0.01, HTML_50_60 0.09,HTML_MESSAGE 0.00, HTML_TEXT_AFTER_BODY 0.06,HTML_TEXT_AFTER_HTML 0.03) Precedence: list Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi everyone Vet did tests on Levi yesterday, I'll get results tomorrow (he has decreased appetite, was scratching a lot when I made the apptment, doesn't play any more and sits in one spot, away from the others, all the time now). He used to be the fearless leader, and the most active. Loved playing too. Now he even lets me stroke him...which I want to be thrilled about, but I'm afraid it may be due to his feeling poorly. (I quite miss his batting me!) Thanks again for all yr ideas last week by the way re the scratching---the humidifier seems to have decreased his scratching. Vet checked him and says she is not concerned. Thinks it is dryness. Now I need to get him eating again...as of yesterday, he doesn't seem to want even his favorite foods (tho i suppose that could be due to stress of having to be caught, and then pinned down, and tested.) He didn't even jump down from his perch for the broiled chicken OR the dry Wellness food that he always totally adored. He's only a little thing---very bony, unlike the others--and I don't think he can afford to lose more weight. He is NOT dehydrated---what a relief. (I was dreading having to chase him every other day.) Vet mentioned Valium as appetite stimulant, but she did allow that I might want to look at other ideas first (she didn't offer any! Think she was indicating I should check with you wonderful guys--which of course I was going to do anyway.). I note catnip and baby food from previous emails that I filed. I will certainly try these but would welcome other ideas too that anyone has had success with. Thanks!!! Kerry This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: Simon is having a good morning
I love to hear when he is doing better! Will keep praying. Hard!!! From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@vlists.net To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: Simon is having a good morning Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 10:12:54 EST MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from vlists.net ([208.186.168.62]) by mc9-f7.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6824); Wed, 19 Jan 2005 07:13:51 -0800 Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j0JFDoi30566for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 09:13:50 -0600 Received: by vps.vlists.net (TLB v0.11a (1.26 tibbs 1998/09/22 04:41:41)); Wed, 19 Jan 2005 09:13:49 -0600 (CST) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j0JFDns30481for felvtalk-utils; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 09:13:49 -0600 Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j0JFDao30333for felvtalk@vlists.net; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 09:13:36 -0600 Received: from [EMAIL PROTECTED] imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id x.8c.1ea0eaef (4446) for felvtalk@vlists.net; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 10:12:54 -0500 (EST) X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jFIqEGUj+7yD9FaD/WypX4W X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 46 Virus-Information: Virus Scanned By VLists.Net For Your Protection. Virus-Status: VLists.Net Found No Virus Spam-Status: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.455, required 5, AWL 0.14,BAYES_00 -2.60, NO_REAL_NAME 0.01) Precedence: list Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jan 2005 15:13:51.0249 (UTC) FILETIME=[7B8AA010:01C4FE39] Someone must be praying, because Simon is having a really good morning. He is perky, to the point of tormenting Quincy, my negative, by sharpening his claws on the barrier separating them and trying to get into Quincy's side of the house. And he practically climbed on top of me when I opened the bag of roast beef deli slices this morning. And he is drinking a lot more, and coming upstairs when I am upstairs, and even climbed onto my lap and onto the desk and computer keyboard. he is eating treats that he has refused for days. I am starting to think that the depomedrol shots, long-term steroid shots that he has gotten twice now, take four days to kick in. The last week he got it on a Friday and started acting better on Tuesday night. Then last weekend I gave it to him on Sat morning and he is now acting better on Wed morning. Unfortunately, the effects only seem to last for 3 days or so and then he needs the short term dex steroids to carry him over. But I am so grateful, and it is so wonderful, to see him feeling better. He even just played a little bit with me with a piece of string and is looking wide-eyed out the window. He also hardly looks yellow at all, if at all. Though he is still pale and, I am sure, very anemic. I share all the bad stuff so i wanted to share this with you too. He is still in the woods, deep deep in the woods, so please do not stop praying for him and sending him energy. Thanks, Michelle
RE: OT: Who Mentioned a Horse Passing?
It wasn't me who talked about this but I had horse die years ago and have an older horse now. You might check into seeing if anyone in your area owns a back hoe who does this. They dig a hole in the pasture and usually use a truck to pull the body into the hole. Now, this is not legal in every area so you will have to check into that. Your veterinarian should be able to help you with finding out what's what legal. They may also be able to recommend someone who will do it. Also, your feed and seed store may know some back hoe operators. I have some business cards that I found at a local convenience store for a back hoe operator. From: Lora [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@vlists.net To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: OT: Who Mentioned a Horse Passing? Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 01:27:44 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from vlists.net ([208.186.168.62]) by mc9-f8.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6824); Tue, 18 Jan 2005 01:28:09 -0800 Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j0I9S8X29271for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 03:28:08 -0600 Received: by vps.vlists.net (TLB v0.11a (1.26 tibbs 1998/09/22 04:41:41)); Tue, 18 Jan 2005 03:28:06 -0600 (CST) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j0I9S6x29188for felvtalk-utils; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 03:28:06 -0600 Received: from web20328.mail.yahoo.com (web20328.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.227.33])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j0I9Ruo29120for felvtalk@vlists.net; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 03:27:56 -0600 Received: (qmail 47485 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Jan 2005 09:27:45 - Received: from [216.49.105.68] by web20328.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 01:27:44 PST X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jFCTThBLcKMJXsc4w6hasb4 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=HPunMcYpuf+wn4o45U9PZFzsvpdLSJcB+x13EM/CDeixmL9F9zzysd/FQ/ALPzD8iZTIMtq0U0yhVBnw2P75dnYCH/PLT7/bcynh8o5x4PYf4wM19C5CI+bomUUqBIVNyt6ArtbBUuuiAWPy15mx9gn87RgjqTlkOAQY9VOROnw= ; Virus-Information: Virus Scanned By VLists.Net For Your Protection. Virus-Status: VLists.Net Found No Virus Spam-Status: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.597, required 5,autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.00, BAYES_00 -2.60) Precedence: list Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jan 2005 09:28:09.0160 (UTC) FILETIME=[05E14480:01C4FD40] Just recently read a post by someone who mentioned that their horse passed on. My sympathies to the individual whom lost a loved one. I apologize in advance if this may sound like an odd question, but how did you arrange the burial for the horse? The reason why I ask is because on top of being happily owned by twelve (12) adorable kitties, I am also loved by two (2) horses. (I have a barn/stable built on my 6.5 acres of backyard county land.) Anyway, Big Red my Saddle-Breed, Quarter horse (an old chestnut mare) is approaching her 23rd birthday in 2005 and Ibn Rafftee my Arabian gelding was foaled on 1-17-74. He just turned 31 yesterday. :) Since most horses only live to be 30-35 years old I am most concerned with his near future burial arrangements. Although, Rafftee is currently health, he is naturally old. His poor body is starting to show its age, bless his heart. I have never buried a horse before and do not know the details involved. I absolutely REFUSE to send/sell his body to a glue-factory. If anyone has ever buried a horse before, could they please share how they managed to do it? I understand that a back-hole will be involved with digging the grave, but unfortunately, I do not know more than that. Once his poor body collapses how will I move Rafftee's half ton body into the grave? I am SO worry about that specific detail, because I hate to think that I will have to literally drag him into it. :( I do not what to disrespect him, by damaging his poor body in the process. Although I understand at that point, he has already left his old and worn out body, I neither what to break any bones nor tare any tissue while placing him in his grave. How does anyone lovingly move a half ton baby? This is Rafftee's home. It is only right that he be buried here. Thanks. Lora __ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com
Re: OT: Who Mentioned a Horse Passing?
Nina, Fortunately, my horse vet comes to my house. LOL That makes it considerably easier. I have a friend who will haul me to an equine hospital (about 90 miles away). I have found though as long as I don't have to rely on boarding stables to care for my horse, my vet bills have gone way down. It is the same with horses as children--Mama always does best. From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@vlists.net To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: Re: OT: Who Mentioned a Horse Passing? Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 09:39:56 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from vlists.net ([208.186.168.62]) by mc5-f32.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Tue, 18 Jan 2005 09:41:30 -0800 Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j0IHeXP30249for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 11:40:33 -0600 Received: by vps.vlists.net (TLB v0.11a (1.26 tibbs 1998/09/22 04:41:41)); Tue, 18 Jan 2005 11:40:31 -0600 (CST) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j0IHeUg30027for felvtalk-utils; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 11:40:30 -0600 Received: from out011.verizon.net (out011pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.135])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j0IHeFo29700for felvtalk@vlists.net; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 11:40:15 -0600 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([4.35.42.210]) by out011.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id [EMAIL PROTECTED] for felvtalk@vlists.net; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 11:40:03 -0600 X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jHYsX3S065bj+hvYXUD7Bz1Q1Pu7XBCqQI= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.1) Gecko/20040707 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out011.verizon.net from [4.35.42.210] at Tue, 18 Jan 2005 11:40:00 -0600 Virus-Information: Virus Scanned By VLists.Net For Your Protection. Virus-Status: VLists.Net Found No Virus Spam-Status: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.576, required 5,autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.02, BAYES_00 -2.60) Precedence: list Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jan 2005 17:41:30.0674 (UTC) FILETIME=[F1C1D920:01C4FD84] Hi Lora, It was Sally from San Jose that just recently lost her sweet mare, Joy. I'm sure she'd be able to help with any questions you might have. I hope your horses remain healthy and strong for a long, long time, but I understand your concern. I had horses when I was a kid, I've never felt closer to nature than in the company of horses. I've always thought I would have horses again, someday, when I had the property etc. Since I've had so much illness in our home, I've found myself wondering if I could deal with the logistic problems of a sick animal the size of a horse. You can't very well bundle them up and rush them to the ER! I know I'm being a chicken, perhaps when the time is right, I'll have resolved my fears. Gloria and Faye, I had a best friend that was a horse too. My sympathies for your loss. Nina Lora wrote: Just recently read a post by someone who mentioned that their horse passed on. My sympathies to the individual whom lost a loved one. I apologize in advance if this may sound like an odd question, but how did you arrange the burial for the horse? The reason why I ask is because on top of being happily owned by twelve (12) adorable kitties, I am also loved by two (2) horses. (I have a barn/stable built on my 6.5 acres of backyard county land.) Anyway, Big Red my Saddle-Breed, Quarter horse (an old chestnut mare) is approaching her 23rd birthday in 2005 and Ibn Rafftee my Arabian gelding was foaled on 1-17-74. He just turned 31 yesterday. :) Since most horses only live to be 30-35 years old I am most concerned with his near future burial arrangements. Although, Rafftee is currently health, he is naturally old. His poor body is starting to show its age, bless his heart. I have never buried a horse before and do not know the details involved. I absolutely REFUSE to send/sell his body to a glue-factory. If anyone has ever buried a horse before, could they please share how they managed to do it? I understand that a back-hole will be involved with digging the grave, but unfortunately, I do not know more than that. Once his poor body collapses how will I move Rafftee's half ton body into the grave? I am SO worry about that specific detail, because I hate to think that I will have to literally drag him into it. :( I do not what to disrespect him, by damaging his poor body in the process. Although I understand at that point, he has already left his old and worn out body, I neither what to break any bones nor tare any tissue while placing him in his grave. How does anyone lovingly move a half ton baby? This is Rafftee's home. It is only right that he be buried here. Thanks. Lora __ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com
RE: Simon
I hope and pray with all my heart that Simon gets better. He is a plucky little guy. He definitely wants to live or at least he is giving it all he has to do so. You and he both have my prayers. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@vlists.net To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: Simon Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 15:32:12 EST MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from vlists.net ([208.186.168.62]) by MC6-F3.phx.gbl with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Tue, 18 Jan 2005 12:32:52 -0800 Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j0IKWqt09168for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 14:32:52 -0600 Received: by vps.vlists.net (TLB v0.11a (1.26 tibbs 1998/09/22 04:41:41)); Tue, 18 Jan 2005 14:32:51 -0600 (CST) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j0IKWpD09079for felvtalk-utils; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 14:32:51 -0600 Received: from imo-m15.mx.aol.com (imo-m15.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.205])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j0IKWjo09038for felvtalk@vlists.net; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 14:32:45 -0600 Received: from [EMAIL PROTECTED] imo-m15.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id x.110.41647ced (4552) for felvtalk@vlists.net; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 15:32:12 -0500 (EST) X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jGSdEKHdhw++P4lZUpHaJ6dDtudX/wkt4U= X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5005 Virus-Information: Virus Scanned By VLists.Net For Your Protection. Virus-Status: VLists.Net Found No Virus Spam-Status: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.224, required 5, AWL 0.07,BAYES_00 -2.60, HTML_20_30 0.23, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00,MIME_QP_LONG_LINE 0.04, NO_REAL_NAME 0.01, WORK_AT_HOME 0.03) Precedence: list Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jan 2005 20:32:53.0124 (UTC) FILETIME=[E2933440:01C4FD9C] Hi. Hard to say. He came upstairs for a while, which he had not done for a few days, but has been sleeping for hours. He ate a very small amount of cat food (just a few bites) and less sour cream (maybe 10 fingerfuls today) but cleaned out two half-bowls of liver shake. He is getting that very angular look like his muscles are very soft and his skin and whatever fat is left on him are just hanging on his bones. While he still has enough weight on him that his ribs do not show, you can clearly see the delineation of his spine and his hips. This is all in the past week, and is very distressing. He has purred some but less, but that could be because I syringe fed him one syringe ful this morning and gave him a pill, and last night we gave him fluids because he looked dehydrated (skin) and he hated that. His pica, craving odd things like ash, is increasing. I am broiling him some chicken now in the hopes he will eat it. The strangest thing is that it seems like his liver is doing better-- he really is hardly yellow at all, and when he got chemo last Thursday his values were down a lot-- but his anemia seems worse and worse-- he is paler than ever, and it was only 9 or 11 last thursday depending on the read. Since both are supposedly caused by his lymphoma taking over organs (liver and bone marrow), I do not really understand how one can improve while the other gets worse. The oncologist is on vacation until Thursday so I can not ask him. I really don't know what to think. I have been trying to work today (I work from home, mostly) because he seems fairly stable, but I can't really concentrate and get up every 5 minutes to check on him or try to convince him to eat (and am annoying the hell out of him). I so badly want him to be well and return to being his old self, which is seeming so far away now even though he has only been sick less than 2 months. But in reality perhaps this is greedy, since last week at this time all I asked for was for him to feel better for a bit and to pass peacefully, when I thought he was on the brink of death. Please keep praying for him and sending him energy. He needs it. Thanks for asking, Michelle In a message dated 1/18/05 3:19:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Michelle, I do not know anything about them, but I was wondering how our patient is doing today? Cherie
RE: Tigger concern
There is a difference between vomiting a hairball and a hairball vomiter. LOL No wonder you are confused. A hairball vomiter is a cat that vomits undigested food BECAUSE the hairballs are blocking the digestive tract in some place. They are not throwing up the hairballs. In fact, that is the problem. If they would throw up the hairballs, things would get a whole lot better. Now, if the food is digested, there is something else going on. Magellan hates laxatone too. Try a better food like Solid Gold or Eagle Pack. Now Newman's Own did ended up not working because I put Magellan on that for a short period of time and he began hairball vomiting last night and this morning finally threw up a tiny (the smallest one I have ever seen) hairball. I did not have success with Wellness, Innova, Chicken Soup when it came to hairball vomiting. Those are all good foods but they just don't work for Magellan. From: Cherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@vlists.net To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: RE: Tigger concern Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 18:11:53 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from vlists.net ([208.186.168.62]) by mc4-f5.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Fri, 14 Jan 2005 18:14:28 -0800 Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j0F2CSU26256for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 20:12:28 -0600 Received: by vps.vlists.net (TLB v0.11a (1.26 tibbs 1998/09/22 04:41:41)); Fri, 14 Jan 2005 20:12:26 -0600 (CST) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j0F2CQ226140for felvtalk-utils; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 20:12:26 -0600 Received: from web81406.mail.yahoo.com (web81406.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.37.95])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j0F2CAg26124for felvtalk@vlists.net; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 20:12:10 -0600 Received: from [68.79.204.23] by web81406.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 18:11:53 PST X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jGez1cKn2u/WTuYHEnlW816R+E47w36TR8= Virus-Information: Virus Scanned By VLists.Net For Your Protection. Virus-Status: VLists.Net Found No Virus Spam-Status: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.313, required 5, AWL 0.04,BAYES_00 -2.60, HTML_10_20 0.25, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00) Precedence: list Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jan 2005 02:14:28.0611 (UTC) FILETIME=[F12F5530:01C4FAA7] I would tend to agree that it is hairballs, but, this in not the kind of vomit you get with hairballs and Tigger has never been prone to hairballssbut what it seems like is that I am blowing the vomiting out of proportion, because noone seems to think I should get the vet involved. Since Amber was diagnosed with FeLV I have been watching closer than normal. Thank you all for the advice. Cherie Faye Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds like a hairball vomiter. I have one. He vomits after eating. He also tends to eat too fast and I have to separate him from the other cats so he will slow down. However, 99% of the problem was resolved when I changed to Eagle Pack food. The problem was worse on wellness and Innova. He has not thrown up once on Eagle. I don't miss the cleanups. I do know that Eagle Pack does not work with every cat but the company tested their formulas on cats with hairball vomiting problems with success. I don't even use their hairball formula. I use the Holistic Select and it works just fine. I have not had one hairball from any cat (9 total cats) since I started the food. From: Cherie A Gabbert Reply-To: felvtalk@vlists.net To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: RE: Tigger concern Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 14:09:48 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from vlists.net ([208.186.168.62]) by mc2-f10.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Fri, 14 Jan 2005 14:10:23 -0800 Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j0EMANU20891for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 16:10:23 -0600 Received: by vps.vlists.net (TLB v0.11a (1.26 tibbs 1998/09/22 04:41:41)); Fri, 14 Jan 2005 16:10:20 -0600 (CST) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j0EMAK520656for felvtalk-utils; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 16:10:20 -0600 Received: from web81401.mail.yahoo.com (web81401.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.37.90])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j0EMA0g19275for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 16:10:00 -0600 Received: from [68.20.9.40] by web81401.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 14:09:48 PST X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jGS/LXslV4LdvZEudqXPu2qSn2xcZMEA5A= Virus-Information: Virus Scanned By VLists.Net For Your Protection. Virus-Status: VLists.Net Found No Virus Spam-Status: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.345, required 5, AWL 0.01,BAYES_00 -2.60, HTML_10_20 0.25, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00) Precedence: list Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jan 2005 22:10:23.0781 (UTC) FILETIME=[D82F9D50:01C4FA85] Undigested, she does not seem to eat fast, there are some bites chewed fully then others are whole...it is very small
Re: OMIGOD MR BEAN IS NEGATIVE
It is about time someone here had a break because this seems like it has been an unusually bad month for many people. I am so glad Mr. Bean is negative. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: Re: OMIGOD MR BEAN IS NEGATIVE Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 12:48:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from vlists.net ([208.186.168.62]) by mc5-f33.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Fri, 14 Jan 2005 11:41:41 -0800 Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j0EJfe411446for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 13:41:40 -0600 Received: by vps.vlists.net (TLB v0.11a (1.26 tibbs 1998/09/22 04:41:41)); Fri, 14 Jan 2005 13:41:24 -0600 (CST) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j0EJfJm10702for felvtalk-utils; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 13:41:19 -0600 Received: from americanfibertek.com (hermes.americanfibertek.com [12.144.61.67])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j0EHnBg16229for felvtalk@vlists.net; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 11:49:11 -0600 Received: from morpheus ( [192.168.10.108]) by americanfibertek.com with ESMTP (Mailtraq/2.6.1.1690) id AMRC0CDCB516 for felvtalk@vlists.net; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 12:48:45 -0500 X-Message-Info: 6sSXyD95QpX9u594ifz+fOvrI3nJC/aUWE42Mid1n/Q= X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.21c) X-Hops: 1 Virus-Information: Virus Scanned By VLists.Net For Your Protection. Virus-Status: VLists.Net Found No Virus Spam-Status: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.588, required 5, AWL 0.00,BAYES_00 -2.60, NO_REAL_NAME 0.01) Precedence: list Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jan 2005 19:41:41.0265 (UTC) FILETIME=[11F3B810:01C4FA71] Barb That is great news! Carla
RE: Tigger concern
Sounds like a hairball vomiter. I have one. He vomits after eating. He also tends to eat too fast and I have to separate him from the other cats so he will slow down. However, 99% of the problem was resolved when I changed to Eagle Pack food. The problem was worse on wellness and Innova. He has not thrown up once on Eagle. I don't miss the cleanups. I do know that Eagle Pack does not work with every cat but the company tested their formulas on cats with hairball vomiting problems with success. I don't even use their hairball formula. I use the Holistic Select and it works just fine. I have not had one hairball from any cat (9 total cats) since I started the food. From: Cherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@vlists.net To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: RE: Tigger concern Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 14:09:48 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from vlists.net ([208.186.168.62]) by mc2-f10.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Fri, 14 Jan 2005 14:10:23 -0800 Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j0EMANU20891for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 16:10:23 -0600 Received: by vps.vlists.net (TLB v0.11a (1.26 tibbs 1998/09/22 04:41:41)); Fri, 14 Jan 2005 16:10:20 -0600 (CST) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j0EMAK520656for felvtalk-utils; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 16:10:20 -0600 Received: from web81401.mail.yahoo.com (web81401.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.37.90])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j0EMA0g19275for felvtalk@vlists.net; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 16:10:00 -0600 Received: from [68.20.9.40] by web81401.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 14:09:48 PST X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jGS/LXslV4LdvZEudqXPu2qSn2xcZMEA5A= Virus-Information: Virus Scanned By VLists.Net For Your Protection. Virus-Status: VLists.Net Found No Virus Spam-Status: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.345, required 5, AWL 0.01,BAYES_00 -2.60, HTML_10_20 0.25, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00) Precedence: list Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jan 2005 22:10:23.0781 (UTC) FILETIME=[D82F9D50:01C4FA85] Undigested, she does not seem to eat fast, there are some bites chewed fully then others are whole...it is very small pellets almost. Faye Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Does she eat vomit immediately after eating or later? Is the food digested or undigested? Does the cat eat fast. From: Cherie A Gabbert Reply-To: felvtalk@vlists.net To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: Tigger concern Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 14:01:40 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from vlists.net ([208.186.168.62]) by mc1-f3.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Fri, 14 Jan 2005 14:02:30 -0800 Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j0EM2TX09056for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 16:02:29 -0600 Received: by vps.vlists.net (TLB v0.11a (1.26 tibbs 1998/09/22 04:41:41)); Fri, 14 Jan 2005 16:02:27 -0600 (CST) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j0EM2Qs08915for felvtalk-utils; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 16:02:26 -0600 Received: from web81404.mail.yahoo.com (web81404.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.37.93])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j0EM1tg07779for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 16:01:55 -0600 Received: from [68.20.9.40] by web81404.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 14:01:40 PST X-Message-Info: 6sSXyD95QpU61nXVUdMjSiBU014HCwl1cFUaKtQh5tw= Virus-Information: Virus Scanned By VLists.Net For Your Protection. Virus-Status: VLists.Net Found No Virus Spam-Status: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.325, required 5, AWL 0.03,BAYES_00 -2.60, HTML_10_20 0.25, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00) Precedence: list Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jan 2005 22:02:30.0078 (UTC) FILETIME=[BDD645E0:01C4FA84] Tigger my oldest (6) years old, is now having keeping Iams Hairball formula down, she eats it and vomits. She now is being really picky, more so than usual, and when she does eats it would appear she vomits even wet food back up, I have cleaned up 3 piles so far today. Should I concern myself with this, since I have just leanered about Amber being FeLV positive and Snowball passing, or am I being paranoid, since all those things just happened. Usually I would not concern myself with a little vomit, unless it goes on for a few days, because with so many and everyone mixing food, sometimes they do get sick, but since all this happened I am a little more concerned. Thanks for listening Cherie
Re: OT:Poorly ran Humane Societies and Shelters
Our shelter had a good director. She is doing her best and has accomplished a lot against great odds. She has single handedly wiped out dog fighting in 3 counties. The whole problem with the shelter is they have no room. The couny has been terrible in its support. They are finally building extra housing as we speak. From: Cherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@vlists.net To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: Re: OT:Poorly ran Humane Societies and Shelters Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 23:53:25 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from vlists.net ([208.186.168.62]) by mc4-f22.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Wed, 12 Jan 2005 23:54:07 -0800 Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j0D7s6025147for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 01:54:06 -0600 Received: by vps.vlists.net (TLB v0.11a (1.26 tibbs 1998/09/22 04:41:41)); Thu, 13 Jan 2005 01:54:04 -0600 (CST) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j0D7s4s25058for felvtalk-utils; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 01:54:04 -0600 Received: from web81407.mail.yahoo.com (web81407.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.37.96])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j0D7rmg24903for felvtalk@vlists.net; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 01:53:48 -0600 Received: from [68.79.13.4] by web81407.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 23:53:25 PST X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jEO5syBGkVFPmqE2dqKjj76s85OVjVDVos= Virus-Information: Virus Scanned By VLists.Net For Your Protection. Virus-Status: VLists.Net Found No Virus Spam-Status: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.423, required 5,autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.16, BAYES_00 -2.60, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00,HTML_SHOUTING3 0.02) Precedence: list Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jan 2005 07:54:07.0359 (UTC) FILETIME=[0F0A00F0:01C4F945] Teri, Since they are a NO KILL they are applauded, no one thinks about the environment, that they put these animals in, and maintain cleanliness. I really do need to see if there is something I can do, regretfully I donated thousands of dollars, where it went who knows. I have thought about starting off site a shelter and now more than ever I want to do it, I have thought about about Quimble, maybe starting something where all those like Quimble would have a place to go. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For starters: 1) Write what you see and hear. 2) Take photos if possible. 3) Talk with others that have seen the situation or been in it. Always nice to have witness accounts of things like prior employees or volunteers that know firsthand. 4) Alot depends on whether it's ran by any type of government or private party. Normally if it is a priavte it is a corporation. They have Board members find out who they are and where they stand. Find out when they have their meetings it is called Open Board meeting the public is allowed to go and speak their thoughts. If you are a member (you pay once a year) you have that option to speak at the meetings. If it is ran by the city or county they have City Council meeting once or twice a month and the public is invited to appear and speak. 5) Talk to the Newspapers or anyone that can get it out to the public. Write in to the Newspapers and local TV stations. 6) Most importantly get people involved in your community that is where your support comes in. Once the word gets out then your on your way. Anyway just few ideas... Terrie Mohr Check site for available Siameses for adoption! More will be posted soon. http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue http://siamese.meetup.com/38/ This is for those of you in WA. state and would like to attend. http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Owner/Driver Petfinder.com Adopt a Homeless Pet! http://www.petfinder.com/ http://www.awca.net/index.htm http://www.felineleukemia.org/ http://www.petloss.com/ http://www.meezer.com/ http://thesiamesestore.com/ http://tx.siameserescue.org/adopt.html http://ca.siameserescue.org/ http://co.siameserescue.org/ http://va.siameserescue.org/
RE: Simon walking around well-- Kathy and others
I am glad he is feeling better and hope that he continues to improve. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@vlists.net To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: Simon walking around well-- Kathy and others Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 07:43:24 EST MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from vlists.net ([208.186.168.62]) by mc2-f27.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Thu, 13 Jan 2005 05:24:53 -0800 Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j0DDOoW16972for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 07:24:50 -0600 Received: by vps.vlists.net (TLB v0.11a (1.26 tibbs 1998/09/22 04:41:41)); Thu, 13 Jan 2005 07:24:47 -0600 (CST) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j0DDOlX16667for felvtalk-utils; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 07:24:47 -0600 Received: from imo-m16.mx.aol.com (imo-m16.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.206])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j0DChjg26326for felvtalk@vlists.net; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 06:43:45 -0600 Received: from [EMAIL PROTECTED] imo-m16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id x.194.361ed61a (4446) for felvtalk@vlists.net; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 07:43:24 -0500 (EST) X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jFeNnUFJgNyc3UuZBWOv1tV2Lnleqeo9vg= X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 46 Virus-Information: Virus Scanned By VLists.Net For Your Protection. Virus-Status: VLists.Net Found No Virus Spam-Status: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.338, required 5, AWL 0.25,BAYES_00 -2.60, NO_REAL_NAME 0.01) Precedence: list Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jan 2005 13:24:53.0046 (UTC) FILETIME=[43FD8560:01C4F973] Last night I heard a slight thud and thought Simon had tried to do something he couldn't and fallen over, only to see him next to me on the bed, having gotten on it himself (it is a low bed, close to the floor). He proceeded to walk all over the house and up and down stairs as if nothing were wrong at all. He is eating, though perhaps not as furiously as yesterday (I think he ate far more than the equivalent of a large can by the end of yesterday) and pickier (only wanted the liver shake and just picked at other stuff-- but drank all the liver shake I gave him, about half a bowl), and he is bright and curious and a little playful. He has lost weight, but he basically seems like a thinner, slightly less energetic and hungry version of his old self. He is more his old self than when he was on chemo and his blood values were almost normal. I thought yesterday, and continue to suspect, that this is a final rally before death as sometimes happens. However, I am beginning to wonder if perhaps the steroids have kicked in and are doing something. Kathy-- does this level and length of eating and energy seem consistent with a final rally before death, or does it seem like something might actually be improving? I am afraid to hope, but I emailed the oncologist asking if there is a decent chance that, given his behavior, his blood counts might be normal enough to get a dose of adriamycin or ccmu (the strong chemo he was supposed to get last week) without needing to be hospitalized or risking getting very ill. he feels so good and is so happy right now that I do not want to do something to make him miserable, but if there is a chance he can get something at a level not likely to make him ill and come home afterwards I might bring him in. I am almost afraid to do anything-- subject him to a car ride, give him any medicine at all, because he is doing so well on nothing and I am wondering how much of it has to do with being happy and stress-free after so many weeks of vet visits, force feedings, pills, and fluids. What if I bring him there and the stress or the chemo makes him sick? Perhaps steroids can keep him happy for a little while, and chances of complete remission from chemo at this point are probably still not high even if he is able to get the stronger chemo. But if the oncologist thinks it is possible he can get that chemo and come home, and have a chance at remission for weeks or months, should I bring him there to get seen and have his blood levels checked? He really is not as ferociously hungry as yesterday morning, when he would eat anything. He did turn down everything I offered him after a few bites this morning until I gave him the liver shake, which he vacuumed up and then licked the bowl clean. But then again yesterday morning he had not eaten for days, and now he ate as recently as midnight or so. Perhaps the weakness was largely from not having had any food, rather than his anemia? However, when his PCV was down very low before, to 13 or under, he had no energy even while getting fed enough to gain weight. Last Friday it was at 15 and falling. Unless he has adjusted to a low hematocrit, it is hard to imagine that it has fallen much more and yet his weakness was only due to lack of food. Don't get me wrong-- he is not as energetic as his pre-cancer self-- not jumping to high places or running
PCR TEST--Is it accurate?
Is this test genuinely reliable? From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@vlists.net To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: Re: FeLV - PCR test Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 21:30:35 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from vlists.net ([208.186.168.62]) by mc2-f36.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Wed, 12 Jan 2005 21:31:14 -0800 Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j0D5VDE29506for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 23:31:13 -0600 Received: by vps.vlists.net (TLB v0.11a (1.26 tibbs 1998/09/22 04:41:41)); Wed, 12 Jan 2005 23:31:10 -0600 (CST) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j0D5VA929387for felvtalk-utils; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 23:31:10 -0600 Received: from out010.verizon.net (out010pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.133])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j0D5Utg29206for felvtalk@vlists.net; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 23:30:55 -0600 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([4.35.42.210]) by out010.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id [EMAIL PROTECTED] for felvtalk@vlists.net; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 23:30:42 -0600 X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jGlCxDARqHRmW6dIJ7E4T7NNazJoppgwBg= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.1) Gecko/20040707 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out010.verizon.net from [4.35.42.210] at Wed, 12 Jan 2005 23:30:40 -0600 Virus-Information: Virus Scanned By VLists.Net For Your Protection. Virus-Status: VLists.Net Found No Virus Spam-Status: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.582, required 5,autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.02, BAYES_00 -2.60) Precedence: list Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jan 2005 05:31:14.0122 (UTC) FILETIME=[18FDDAA0:01C4F931] Thank you Lisa and Barb, I'll ask my internist about the PCR. I'm not sure I'll test Timmy at this point, but it's nice to know I have an option besides the bone marrow biopsy. Nina Barb Moermond wrote: polymerase chain reaction - it's a way to do a DNA test with a small sample - it replicates the DNA of the sample so they can read it better */[EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: In a message dated 1/12/2005 5:04:21 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thanks Lisa. What does PCR stand for? Is that the bone marrow test? Nina no its not the bone marrow test...that is actually a very invasive painful procedure...PCR ...I dont remember what it stands for..but they use a blood sample like they do for teh IFA and the ELISA test...HOWEVER it must be sent to the lab differently..so make sure your vet knows before they draw blood for it what test you want...it looks at the genetic level of the cat..at the genetic level any change anywhere in teh body can be seenand the FeLV virus is a retrovirus..which means it alters teh cats genetic code Lisa and fur-brats Akira--FeLV miracle baby www.geocities.com/anzajaguar http://www.geocities.com/anzajaguar Indy-- Truley Indian Jones as a cat..FEARLESS Lance- Mini wire haired dashchund Bow-Tie- 2yr old (sss he doesnt know he is 15 :) ) jack russel cross Bennie Bird-- Vampire cockatiel Anza-- sexist Senegal parrot..deffinantly a ladies bird :) Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile. - Anonymous Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/taglines/virus/*http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail/static/protection.html - Helps protect you from nasty viruses.
RE: Simon got chemo today
I am so glad that Simon is hanging in there. I am going to pray very, very hard for his recovery. Snapfish.com is a good place to post pictures. That is where I posted mine. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@vlists.net To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: Simon got chemo today Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 20:29:37 EST MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from vlists.net ([208.186.168.62]) by mc11-f30.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6824); Thu, 13 Jan 2005 17:30:18 -0800 Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j0E1UIp31567for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 19:30:18 -0600 Received: by vps.vlists.net (TLB v0.11a (1.26 tibbs 1998/09/22 04:41:41)); Thu, 13 Jan 2005 19:30:16 -0600 (CST) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j0E1UGl31419for felvtalk-utils; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 19:30:16 -0600 Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com (imo-m20.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.1])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j0E1Twg30337for felvtalk@vlists.net; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 19:29:58 -0600 Received: from [EMAIL PROTECTED] imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id x.ee.a7d98cf (3699) for felvtalk@vlists.net; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 20:29:38 -0500 (EST) X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jF7lDy+ty/PVgfwXJBuu2Po X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 46 Virus-Information: Virus Scanned By VLists.Net For Your Protection. Virus-Status: VLists.Net Found No Virus Spam-Status: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.325, required 5, AWL 0.27,BAYES_00 -2.60, NO_REAL_NAME 0.01) Precedence: list Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jan 2005 01:30:18.0585 (UTC) FILETIME=[9B3BB490:01C4F9D8] I took Simon to the oncologist and the news was mixed. On the very good side, his bilirubin was down from over 9 to only 2.3! This is still almost three times normal, but quite a drop, and enough of a drop to safely give him the full dose of CCNU. Because it seems likely that the heavy doses of steroids he got last weekend (and your prayers!) killed off enough lymphoma to bring the bilirubin down and make him feel good (more on that later), he also got a dex shot with the CCNU. The bad news is that his PCV was down to 11 on the machine reading and 9 on the hand reading (the latter of which is supposed to be more accurate). The oncologist suggesting transfusing him again, but I decided not to because it only raised his PCV by one or two points in the past and because, probably due to the steroids (and your prayers!), he is feeling much better than when he needed transfusions in the past. And I had promised him I would not leave him there. The oncologist agreed this was fine, that you transfuse the patient and not the number, and that as long as he is bright we can try to ride it out or I can bring him in for a transfusion later. We discussed Epogen again and decided not to put him on it. The reason is this: Simon's anemia is regenerative-- he is still making red blood cells-- but the problem is that the lymphoma has taken over so much of his bone marrow that he has little bone marrow left to make the red blood cells with and so makes many fewer. When the lymphoma is killed off, his bone marrow bounced back. When he responded to chemo previously, he went from a PCV of 11 to one of 33 in two weeks. If we can kill enough lymphoma, with the chemo and/or steroids, his bone marrow should bounce back again on its own. If we can not kill enough lymphoma, the Epogen will not save him because the lymphoma will take over all of the bone marrow. And he seems so much better on fewer medicines that I really do not want to keep adding things to his little body that do not have a high probability of helping him (granted, the CCNU does not have a high probability of helping, but if it does it will take care of the root problem which the Epogen would not). The oncologist was rather surprised to be treating Simon again. When I asked him to give me a probability of the chances that CCNU will help Simon, he said all bets are off with Simon. I'm not going to try to predict anything with him anymore. Simon is very far from out of the woods, and his PCV is obviously a big worry. But I am going to try to treat him like a love bug, rather than a number, and just be glad he is feeling so good and happy while he is. Thanks for all your prayers (and please keep them coming!), Michelle P.S. We took a bunch of pictures yesterday and today of simon looking really silly and cute, laying on his back for belly rubs and looking and Buddhas, and wanted to share them with you because you all have been so involved with his story. However, I tried a way of posting them for free on the web but it did not work (photobucket). If anyone knows of a different way I can do that and send you the link, I will.
Re: MSM
I have only, until recently, heard of it being used for arthritis in dogs, horses and humans. However, I saw an anecdotal testimony to it being used with feline leukemia. Then again I read about it today being used for feline leukemia in the book Natural Pet Cures by John Heinerman. Cherie, MSM is Methylsulfonylmethane which is a supplement sold on the vitamin counters and most commonly used for arthritis. It is a relative of DMSO. From: Barbara Lowe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@vlists.net To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: Re: MSM Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 11:18:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from vlists.net ([208.186.168.62]) by mc5-f8.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Wed, 12 Jan 2005 08:16:43 -0800 Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j0CGGhb20141for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 10:16:43 -0600 Received: by vps.vlists.net (TLB v0.11a (1.26 tibbs 1998/09/22 04:41:41)); Wed, 12 Jan 2005 10:16:42 -0600 (CST) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j0CGGgZ20057for felvtalk-utils; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 10:16:42 -0600 Received: from mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.70])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j0CGGZg20028for felvtalk@vlists.net; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 10:16:35 -0600 Received: from ebay (ool-182f1525.dyn.optonline.net [24.47.21.37]) by mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id [EMAIL PROTECTED] for felvtalk@vlists.net; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 11:16:26 -0500 (EST) X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jFrcVQ805dVCZvufyUusyAfcEMhXy1K1DE= X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Virus-Information: Virus Scanned By VLists.Net For Your Protection. Virus-Status: VLists.Net Found No Virus Spam-Status: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.57, required 5,autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.03, BAYES_00 -2.60) Precedence: list Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jan 2005 16:16:43.0679 (UTC) FILETIME=[1B3182F0:01C4F8C2] i give it to my 13 yr old dog 1x daily as prevention for arthritis. never read about giving it to cats. I have to hide it in liverwurst. he goes for a check up next week and i am going to ask for x rays to see how he's doing as I've noticed limping very very occassionally. barbara - Original Message - From: Faye Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@vlists.net Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 11:09 AM Subject: MSM Do any of you give MSM to your cats? If so, do you find it helpful and if so, what results do you get? Do you give it long term or short term?
RE: Sharing food
What I read in the beginning of my ordeal is that the virus can only live 15 minutes outside the body. However, it begins to die as soon as it hits the air. Therefore even a one minute old virus outside the body is considerably weakened and more difficult to spread. Bites, sex and being born to an infected mother are the most efficient ways to spread the virus. Litter box, food dishes and grooming are the most difficult ways to spread it. My infected cat shared food and drink bowls, litter boxes and groomed the 4 week old kittens obsessively. However, he never bit them nor had sex. From: Cherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@vlists.net To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: Sharing food Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 08:13:11 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from vlists.net ([208.186.168.62]) by mc10-f21.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Wed, 12 Jan 2005 08:13:38 -0800 Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j0CGDcd17103for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 10:13:38 -0600 Received: by vps.vlists.net (TLB v0.11a (1.26 tibbs 1998/09/22 04:41:41)); Wed, 12 Jan 2005 10:13:36 -0600 (CST) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j0CGDZN17001for felvtalk-utils; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 10:13:35 -0600 Received: from web81410.mail.yahoo.com (web81410.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.37.99])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j0CGDTg16952for felvtalk@vlists.net; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 10:13:29 -0600 Received: from [68.79.7.21] by web81410.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 08:13:11 PST X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jGHiUqoy/4sm8UHpqLqN1HybdIZK1p/9qo= Virus-Information: Virus Scanned By VLists.Net For Your Protection. Virus-Status: VLists.Net Found No Virus Spam-Status: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-1.903, required 5, AWL -0.37,BAYES_00 -2.60, HTML_00_10 1.07, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00) Precedence: list Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jan 2005 16:13:38.0894 (UTC) FILETIME=[AD0D8EE0:01C4F8C1] Hi, I am curious since all of this has happened with Snowball and now Amber, I have read numerous things, it is said that if cats share foods, the uninfected cat can be infected, but I have also read and heard from this group that the FeLV virus pretty much dies as soon as it hits air. When I asked my vet she said prolonged nose to nose contact and a bite from the infected cat, I am confused, can someone give my some correct information. Thank you Cherie
Re: RE: Sharing food
Yes, it is possible. I did not intend to imply that it wasn't. From: BONNIE J KALMBACH [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@vlists.net To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: Re: RE: Sharing food Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 13:56:54 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from vlists.net ([208.186.168.62]) by mc8-f11.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6824); Wed, 12 Jan 2005 11:57:16 -0800 Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j0CJvG908821for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 13:57:16 -0600 Received: by vps.vlists.net (TLB v0.11a (1.26 tibbs 1998/09/22 04:41:41)); Wed, 12 Jan 2005 13:57:13 -0600 (CST) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j0CJvDm08159for felvtalk-utils; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 13:57:13 -0600 Received: from smtp4.wiscmail.wisc.edu (hermes.doit.wisc.edu [144.92.197.190])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j0CJv7g08134for felvtalk@vlists.net; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 13:57:08 -0600 Received: from avs-daemon.smtp4.wiscmail.wisc.edu by smtp4.wiscmail.wisc.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 Patch 2 (built Jul 14 2004)) id [EMAIL PROTECTED] for felvtalk@vlists.net; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 13:56:55 -0600 (CST) Received: from wiscmail.wisc.edu (sneezy [144.92.197.154]) by smtp4.wiscmail.wisc.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 Patch 2 (built Jul 14 2004)) with ESMTP id [EMAIL PROTECTED] for felvtalk@vlists.net; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 13:56:54 -0600 (CST) Received: from [144.92.197.219] (Forwarded-For: [128.104.61.193]) by mailst3.doit.wisc.edu (mshttpd); Wed, 12 Jan 2005 13:56:54 -0600 X-Message-Info: 6sSXyD95QpWzVv/ges8MAWPOAgmVDzvx X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 Patch 2 (built Jul 14 2004) Content-language: en X-Accept-Language: en X-Spam-Report: TrustedSender=yes, SenderIP=144.92.197.154 X-Spam-PmxInfo: Server=avs-8, Version=4.7.0.111621, Antispam-Engine: 2.0.2.0, Antispam-Data: 2005.1.12.21, SenderIP=144.92.197.154 Virus-Information: Virus Scanned By VLists.Net For Your Protection. Virus-Status: VLists.Net Found No Virus Spam-Status: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.59, required 5,autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.01, BAYES_00 -2.60) Precedence: list Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jan 2005 19:57:16.0688 (UTC) FILETIME=[EAAE7100:01C4F8E0] Litter box, food dishes and grooming are the most difficult ways to spread it. My infected cat shared food and drink bowls, litter boxes and groomed the 4 week old kittens obsessively. However, he never bit them nor had sex. Same here, but two of mine became infected and died. I'm sure it was from sharing the ltterboxes and drinking bowls. Bonnie
Re: Sharing food
I have given this a lot of thought over the last 2 years and have come to these exact conclusions that Nina has written. I did not feel this way 2 years ago. However, if any of my cats become positive, chances are they have already exposed what, if any, negatives remain. Keeping my crew segregated would be impossible without hindering their quality of life. It is not something I have come to a decision about easily but I think it would be best for my kitties. From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@vlists.net To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: Re: Sharing food Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 12:15:35 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from vlists.net ([208.186.168.62]) by mc11-f30.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6824); Wed, 12 Jan 2005 12:16:27 -0800 Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j0CKGRY23590for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 14:16:27 -0600 Received: by vps.vlists.net (TLB v0.11a (1.26 tibbs 1998/09/22 04:41:41)); Wed, 12 Jan 2005 14:16:26 -0600 (CST) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j0CKGQ723468for felvtalk-utils; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 14:16:26 -0600 Received: from out005.verizon.net (out005pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.143])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j0CKG9g23429for felvtalk@vlists.net; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 14:16:10 -0600 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([4.35.42.210]) by out005.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id [EMAIL PROTECTED] for felvtalk@vlists.net; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 14:15:46 -0600 X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jERtv4KLumjq389KPbvg+WM User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.1) Gecko/20040707 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out005.verizon.net from [4.35.42.210] at Wed, 12 Jan 2005 14:15:40 -0600 Virus-Information: Virus Scanned By VLists.Net For Your Protection. Virus-Status: VLists.Net Found No Virus Spam-Status: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.581, required 5,autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.02, BAYES_00 -2.60) Precedence: list Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jan 2005 20:16:28.0218 (UTC) FILETIME=[990BF9A0:01C4F8E3] Hi Cherie, I think it's a judgment call about whether or not to keep positives and negatives separated. I haven't met a vet yet (or read anything from a vet for that matter), that didn't suggest that keeping them separated wasn't the safest course of action. And of course it is! I knew from the very beginning that I would not segregate my positives. I found out that my kittens were positive long after they had been living together. When I had my other cats tested, everyone else was negative, including a little street urchin that had only had one series of shots. In my opinion it's all about quality of life, we're all one big happy family here, (at least that's what I strive for), and keeping them apart is not an option for me. I do make sure that my positives are kept current on their FeLV vac., and everyone gets supplements negs and pos alike. Try not to be too concerned, keep yourself informed and make the decisions that you can live with. One of the hardest things about dealing with this disease is there are so many instances of damned if you do, damned if you don't. It can be infuriating at times, and it's usually frightening. It sounds like you're doing great at giving your babies the best chance they can have. Have you heard about the feline interferon? It's the only option I found while doing my research that held new promise. If you're interested I'll send you some back posts about it. Welcome to our loving nightmare, Nina Cherie A Gabbert wrote: Barbara, I am not too stressed, I just am concerned, with Snowball gone I have one positive and she is on Interferon this week, and 4 negatives...they all share litter boxes and eat out of each others dishes, I also am goin with hearsay on all this, my vet (whom I trust greatly) tells me one thing then I read in books and online other things, like sharing food and litter boxes can spread FeLV, my vet tells me that is wrong, but how can so many books be wrong? By the way pick up Ginko downtown. Cherie */Barbara Lowe [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: wait wait don't get stressed reading what I wrote. remember I am no doctor. have no medical training. I oly have the books and the wonderful people on this list and the internet to guide me. my cats all share litter boxes and i have 2 postiives and 5 negatives-and the little monsters run to each other's plates--I just to keep them from sharing. And i also just remembered that Clancy who is one of my postives gave Dopey a very nasty puncture wound 2 0r 3 years ago that I came home from a weekaway taking care of my mom to find Dopey with a huge -oh what the heck is it called?-a big squishy abscess on
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I had a positive cat that groomed 2 four week old kittens. I heard the exact same thing which is why I have been so nervous the last 2 years. I just knew they were going to get it. I still cannot feel safe until my vet's arbitrary date of 36 months since last exposure (I know that is not perfect either). It has been 24.5 months since last exposure and they were last tested in July-September. They will be tested again in 6 weeks during their annual physical. The three cats (the 2 kittens plus my oldest cat) exposed have never tested positive and they have each been tested 9 times. However, my positive cat tested negative and was vaccinated. Therefore, I just do not trust the tests. One local vet claims that false negatives are not that common. From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@vlists.net To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: Re: Sharing food Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 12:28:02 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from vlists.net ([208.186.168.62]) by mc11-f34.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6824); Wed, 12 Jan 2005 12:28:44 -0800 Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j0CKSiP29993for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 14:28:44 -0600 Received: by vps.vlists.net (TLB v0.11a (1.26 tibbs 1998/09/22 04:41:41)); Wed, 12 Jan 2005 14:28:42 -0600 (CST) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j0CKSgk29893for felvtalk-utils; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 14:28:42 -0600 Received: from out011.verizon.net (out011pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.135])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j0CKSUg29851for felvtalk@vlists.net; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 14:28:30 -0600 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([4.35.42.210]) by out011.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id [EMAIL PROTECTED] for felvtalk@vlists.net; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 14:28:08 -0600 X-Message-Info: 6sSXyD95QpUl9A9tD+ld55ZBykXG/1VM User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.1) Gecko/20040707 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out011.verizon.net from [4.35.42.210] at Wed, 12 Jan 2005 14:28:06 -0600 Virus-Information: Virus Scanned By VLists.Net For Your Protection. Virus-Status: VLists.Net Found No Virus Spam-Status: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.582, required 5,autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.02, BAYES_00 -2.60) Precedence: list Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jan 2005 20:28:44.0287 (UTC) FILETIME=[4FC730F0:01C4F8E5] Faye, Are you saying that you had a positive cat that groomed 4 week old kittens? I had always heard that young kittens had almost a 100% chance of becoming infected if exposed to the virus. Nina Faye Lewis wrote: What I read in the beginning of my ordeal is that the virus can only live 15 minutes outside the body. However, it begins to die as soon as it hits the air. Therefore even a one minute old virus outside the body is considerably weakened and more difficult to spread. Bites, sex and being born to an infected mother are the most efficient ways to spread the virus. Litter box, food dishes and grooming are the most difficult ways to spread it. My infected cat shared food and drink bowls, litter boxes and groomed the 4 week old kittens obsessively. However, he never bit them nor had sex. From: Cherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@vlists.net To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: Sharing food Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 08:13:11 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from vlists.net ([208.186.168.62]) by mc10-f21.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Wed, 12 Jan 2005 08:13:38 -0800 Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j0CGDcd17103for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 10:13:38 -0600 Received: by vps.vlists.net (TLB v0.11a (1.26 tibbs 1998/09/22 04:41:41)); Wed, 12 Jan 2005 10:13:36 -0600 (CST) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j0CGDZN17001for felvtalk-utils; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 10:13:35 -0600 Received: from web81410.mail.yahoo.com (web81410.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.37.99])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j0CGDTg16952for felvtalk@vlists.net; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 10:13:29 -0600 Received: from [68.79.7.21] by web81410.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 08:13:11 PST X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jGHiUqoy/4sm8UHpqLqN1HybdIZK1p/9qo= Virus-Information: Virus Scanned By VLists.Net For Your Protection. Virus-Status: VLists.Net Found No Virus Spam-Status: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-1.903, required 5, AWL -0.37,BAYES_00 -2.60, HTML_00_10 1.07, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00) Precedence: list Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jan 2005 16:13:38.0894 (UTC) FILETIME=[AD0D8EE0:01C4F8C1] Hi, I am curious since all of this has happened with Snowball and now Amber, I have read numerous things, it is said that if cats share foods
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Welcome to our loving nightmare Niina This is true. I think it would be a whole lot easier on me to have cancer than my kitties have feline leukemia. This is a disease straight from Hades. My cats were having respiratory infections left and right. One has had the immune endocrine tests and everything comes out perfect. Chances are he had feline heartworm. The vet pulled him through though and he is going full speed. However, every time they sneeze, I just know it is the beginning of the end. From: Cherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@vlists.net To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: Re: Sharing food Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 12:37:59 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from vlists.net ([208.186.168.62]) by mc11-f23.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6824); Wed, 12 Jan 2005 12:38:22 -0800 Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j0CKcLs06905for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 14:38:22 -0600 Received: by vps.vlists.net (TLB v0.11a (1.26 tibbs 1998/09/22 04:41:41)); Wed, 12 Jan 2005 14:38:20 -0600 (CST) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j0CKcKg06818for felvtalk-utils; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 14:38:20 -0600 Received: from web81402.mail.yahoo.com (web81402.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.37.91])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j0CKc7g06464for felvtalk@vlists.net; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 14:38:07 -0600 Received: from [68.79.7.21] by web81402.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 12:37:59 PST X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jGPdHEdWznH2Av3CdzZESxe Virus-Information: Virus Scanned By VLists.Net For Your Protection. Virus-Status: VLists.Net Found No Virus Spam-Status: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.304, required 5, AWL 0.05,BAYES_00 -2.60, HTML_10_20 0.25, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00,HTML_NONELEMENT_60_70 0.00) Precedence: list Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jan 2005 20:38:23.0046 (UTC) FILETIME=[A8BECE60:01C4F8E6] I too agree with you Faye Cherie Faye Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have given this a lot of thought over the last 2 years and have come to these exact conclusions that Nina has written. I did not feel this way 2 years ago. However, if any of my cats become positive, chances are they have already exposed what, if any, negatives remain. Keeping my crew segregated would be impossible without hindering their quality of life. It is not something I have come to a decision about easily but I think it would be best for my kitties. From: Nina Reply-To: felvtalk@vlists.net To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: Re: Sharing food Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 12:15:35 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from vlists.net ([208.186.168.62]) by mc11-f30.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6824); Wed, 12 Jan 2005 12:16:27 -0800 Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j0CKGRY23590for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 14:16:27 -0600 Received: by vps.vlists.net (TLB v0.11a (1.26 tibbs 1998/09/22 04:41:41)); Wed, 12 Jan 2005 14:16:26 -0600 (CST) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j0CKGQ723468for felvtalk-utils; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 14:16:26 -0600 Received: from out005.verizon.net (out005pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.143])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j0CKG9g23429for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 14:16:10 -0600 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([4.35.42.210]) by out005.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id [EMAIL PROTECTED] for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 14:15:46 -0600 X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jERtv4KLumjq389KPbvg+WM User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.1) Gecko/20040707 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out005.verizon.net from [4.35.42.210] at Wed, 12 Jan 2005 14:15:40 -0600 Virus-Information: Virus Scanned By VLists.Net For Your Protection. Virus-Status: VLists.Net Found No Virus Spam-Status: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.581, required 5,autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.02, BAYES_00 -2.60) Precedence: list Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jan 2005 20:16:28.0218 (UTC) FILETIME=[990BF9A0:01C4F8E3] Hi Cherie, I think it's a judgment call about whether or not to keep positives and negatives separated. I haven't met a vet yet (or read anything from a vet for that matter), that didn't suggest that keeping them separated wasn't the safest course of action. And of course it is! I knew from the very beginning that I would not segregate my positives. I found out that my kittens were positive long after they had been living together. When I had my other cats tested, everyone else was negative, including a little street urchin that had only had one series of shots. In my opinion it's all about quality of life, we're all one big happy family here, (at least that's what I strive for), and keeping them apart is not an option for me. I do make sure that my positives are kept current
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Definitely. I rarely give anything to my animals without consulting my vets or checking with a variety of good sources first. I am looking into immune system boosters at this time since my cats were getting a lot of URIs. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Karolyn Lount) Reply-To: felvtalk@vlists.net To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: Re: MSM Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 12:56:40 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Received: from vlists.net ([208.186.168.62]) by mc11-f27.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6824); Wed, 12 Jan 2005 12:56:57 -0800 Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j0CKuv619900for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 14:56:57 -0600 Received: by vps.vlists.net (TLB v0.11a (1.26 tibbs 1998/09/22 04:41:41)); Wed, 12 Jan 2005 14:56:56 -0600 (CST) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j0CKuun19817for felvtalk-utils; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 14:56:56 -0600 Received: from smtpout-3202.bay.webtv.net (smtpout-3202.bay.webtv.net [209.240.205.137])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j0CKumg19795for felvtalk@vlists.net; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 14:56:48 -0600 Received: from storefull-3138.bay.webtv.net (bay-6me-tv-1a-natpool-1.bay.webtv.net [209.240.207.249])by smtpout-3202.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id D13F5D6FDfor felvtalk@vlists.net; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 12:56:40 -0800 (PST) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) by storefull-3138.bay.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id MAA27559; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 12:56:40 -0800 (PST) X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jF2R9h+4BhXIg/Ng7jTXBR6 X-WebTV-Signature: 1ETAtAhQOieFTg2lqlxsGuQKcxwNBUHb+xQIVAI9nwGHKOOOxMsyWRPElzB5ft5D8 Virus-Information: Virus Scanned By VLists.Net For Your Protection. Virus-Status: VLists.Net Found No Virus Spam-Status: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.527, required 5,autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.07, BAYES_00 -2.60) Precedence: list Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jan 2005 20:56:57.0558 (UTC) FILETIME=[410BD760:01C4F8E9] I would like to suggest that before you give any thing to your cat check with your vet. Some people give things to their cats and evrerything is OK But, there are cases where someone else guves the same thing to their cat and the cat dies
Re: Sharing food
My cats fall in this category too. I took 6 more cats in last June. They were headed to the Humane Society which is not well run here. They would have been put in a cage for 28 days and then to death. I neutered/spayed mama and the litter. I brought them home. I had them tested and had them separated for 90 days from my original crew. That was very hard to do. I spoil them, get their illnesses treated. Plenty of toys. Feed super premium foods. No chemicals allowed on the premises (weed killers, etc.) They get brushed regularly and have sparkling clean litter boxes. They have lived with me 7 months. Those 7 months were a whole lot more than they would have had if I hadn't taken them. Can I promise they will never get feline leukemia? No. Whatever time they have though is more than they were going to get otherwise. I wasn't planning to adopt any more but what could I do? It is high quality time no matter how long it is. All 9 are negative. Life really does not have many guarantees especially if you are a feral kitty. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@vlists.net To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: Re: Sharing food Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 16:45:03 EST MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from vlists.net ([208.186.168.62]) by mc11-f1.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6824); Wed, 12 Jan 2005 13:45:39 -0800 Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j0CLjcC25062for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:45:38 -0600 Received: by vps.vlists.net (TLB v0.11a (1.26 tibbs 1998/09/22 04:41:41)); Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:45:37 -0600 (CST) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j0CLjbJ24979for felvtalk-utils; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:45:37 -0600 Received: from imo-m16.mx.aol.com (imo-m16.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.206])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j0CLjRg24940for felvtalk@vlists.net; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:45:27 -0600 Received: from [EMAIL PROTECTED] imo-m16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id x.103.589f9d04 (3890) for felvtalk@vlists.net; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 16:45:04 -0500 (EST) X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jG2GsvQfymD35hs/uHMwRfN X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1200 Virus-Information: Virus Scanned By VLists.Net For Your Protection. Virus-Status: VLists.Net Found No Virus Spam-Status: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.257, required 5, AWL 0.07,BAYES_00 -2.60, HTML_20_30 0.23, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00,MIME_QP_LONG_LINE 0.04, NO_REAL_NAME 0.01) Precedence: list Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jan 2005 21:45:39.0622 (UTC) FILETIME=[0EBB6C60:01C4F8F0] In a message dated 1/12/2005 11:47:46 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: All, 5 share boxes and they all share food, now I am worried. What is Lysine? What does it do for Princess? All 4 of mine share water, food boxes..etc they are all still negative...please dont worry nessacearily..just listen. read and learn..then make your own informed decision...MANY of us here on teh list mix our kitties..just as many dont mix them. here is MY take on it.ALL of my kitties are rescues, who were taken in off the street, thin, pregnant, dying...etcthey are ALL WAY better off now than before..even IF they chanced to catch FeLVwhich after much research, I find it difficult to believe a vaccinated, healthy adult cat will catch FeLVthere is ALWAYS a chance..as with anything there is always a chance...but I dont think it is large enough to worry about it...IMO...also..I would consider..in the instances people...like yourself..allready have several cats togeather...bonded togeather..that it would be far more stressful on them to separate them...they are allready mixed, allready exposed...if they havent gotten it yet..I seriously doubt they will get it..just keep them vaccinated and once you are justified in knowing they are negative..test yearly.. the Lysine is a natural supplement that is a viral inhibitor...it can help the body to control viral replicationit is most often seen to help in the Herpes virus...which in cats shows as watery eyes...but it is also believed to aid in inhibiting FeLV replication as well...Akira does not get it any more...as she quit eating food with supps in it a while back..but she was at one time on 500 mg 2 times a day..which is considered the max..ok fulltime amount to give...I am slowly being able to mix stuff into ehr food again..so I am going to try and start her back on it... Lisa and fur-brats Akira--FeLV miracle baby _www.geocities.com/anzajaguar_ (http://www.geocities.com/anzajaguar) Indy-- Truley Indian Jones as a cat..FEARLESS Lance- Mini wire haired dashchund Bow-Tie- 2yr old (sss he doesnt know he is 15 :) ) jack russel cross Bennie Bird-- Vampire cockatiel Anza-- sexist Senegal parrot..deffinantly a ladies bird :)
Re: Sharing food
They recently necropsied 630 cats in Northern Florida and 4.9% were found to have feline heartworm. I live in south Georgia near the north Florida border. It is even rarer for a cat to survive it. I cannot help but think my vets walk on water. I thought I was going to lose him. He didn't eat much food for 3 weeks. At one point, he could not walk or breathe regularly. It was Magellan who was treated and he was a difficult patient. He set a clinic record for tantrums. My vet was wonderful with him though. They had the pharmacist create a deworming cocktail that Magellan would not eat. They had another one mixed with various flavors until they had one he would tolerate. They still laugh about him because he got more dewormer on the staff and office walls than in him. He is very healthy and energetic now. He is my most athletic cat who cannot walk because he must run. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@vlists.net To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: Re: Sharing food Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 16:57:44 EST MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from vlists.net ([208.186.168.62]) by mc12-f18.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6824); Wed, 12 Jan 2005 13:58:21 -0800 Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j0CLwLB06778for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:58:21 -0600 Received: by vps.vlists.net (TLB v0.11a (1.26 tibbs 1998/09/22 04:41:41)); Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:58:20 -0600 (CST) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j0CLwK506508for felvtalk-utils; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:58:20 -0600 Received: from imo-m19.mx.aol.com (imo-m19.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.11])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j0CLwBg06450for felvtalk@vlists.net; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:58:11 -0600 Received: from [EMAIL PROTECTED] imo-m19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id x.12c.5518d052 (3890) for felvtalk@vlists.net; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 16:57:45 -0500 (EST) X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jHuei3Rzp4K3GHlo9QU0eF1 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1200 Virus-Information: Virus Scanned By VLists.Net For Your Protection. Virus-Status: VLists.Net Found No Virus Spam-Status: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.373, required 5, AWL 0.18,BAYES_00 -2.60, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE 0.04,NO_REAL_NAME 0.01) Precedence: list Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jan 2005 21:58:21.0517 (UTC) FILETIME=[D4DB5FD0:01C4F8F1] In a message dated 1/12/2005 3:48:55 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Chances are he had feline heartworm. WOW..that's rare Lisa and fur-brats Akira--FeLV miracle baby _www.geocities.com/anzajaguar_ (http://www.geocities.com/anzajaguar) Indy-- Truley Indian Jones as a cat..FEARLESS Lance- Mini wire haired dashchund Bow-Tie- 2yr old (sss he doesnt know he is 15 :) ) jack russel cross Bennie Bird-- Vampire cockatiel Anza-- sexist Senegal parrot..deffinantly a ladies bird :)
Re: Sharing food
This is my crew: http://www.snapfish.com/thumbnailshare/AlbumID=17700685/t_=17614007 From: Cherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@vlists.net To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: Re: Sharing food Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 14:17:56 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from vlists.net ([208.186.168.62]) by mc2-f4.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Wed, 12 Jan 2005 14:19:04 -0800 Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j0CMJ4225960for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 16:19:04 -0600 Received: by vps.vlists.net (TLB v0.11a (1.26 tibbs 1998/09/22 04:41:41)); Wed, 12 Jan 2005 16:18:58 -0600 (CST) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j0CMIvA25831for felvtalk-utils; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 16:18:57 -0600 Received: from web81409.mail.yahoo.com (web81409.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.37.98])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j0CMI9g25515for felvtalk@vlists.net; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 16:18:09 -0600 Received: from [68.79.7.21] by web81409.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 14:17:56 PST X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jHAhSUnWYmjC2E2JDd/UEHn/hhyFAeHQBI= Virus-Information: Virus Scanned By VLists.Net For Your Protection. Virus-Status: VLists.Net Found No Virus Spam-Status: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.313, required 5, AWL 0.04,BAYES_00 -2.60, HTML_10_20 0.25, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00) Precedence: list Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jan 2005 22:19:04.0898 (UTC) FILETIME=[B9F84220:01C4F8F4] I agree bravo to you, I also do not like the way my humane society is run, they are a no kill shelter, but they do not take care of the animals that well either, it always stink and there is not much air movement in the area where the cats are kept. I have donated time and money to them I just could not do it anymore, I did not have the heart. Four of kittes were adopted three from that shelterwell actually my mom took two into foster care, and the kitten were not even 6 weeks and so deathly ill, she got them all healthy and happy, then at 9weeks the shelter wanted the kitten back to fix them. My mom thought they were too young so she kept them. Since then I really can not go back to the shelter, because they were really upsetthat was when I realized it was more a money thing to them instead of a loving thing, the kitties were happy and healthy, my mom was going to take pictures and email it to them so they could post them up on their site...but they wanted them ba! ck, then they wanted my mom to pay for them.Ok sorry that is enough of that, but they are Cleo Wassi on the about us page on my website www.prettykittykat.com Amber is my Positve kitty and Tigger is my grouch then you have Candy my sweet thing and Snowball, god rest his soul. Cherie Faye Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My cats fall in this category too. I took 6 more cats in last June. They were headed to the Humane Society which is not well run here. They would have been put in a cage for 28 days and then to death. I neutered/spayed mama and the litter. I brought them home. I had them tested and had them separated for 90 days from my original crew. That was very hard to do. I spoil them, get their illnesses treated. Plenty of toys. Feed super premium foods. No chemicals allowed on the premises (weed killers, etc.) They get brushed regularly and have sparkling clean litter boxes. They have lived with me 7 months. Those 7 months were a whole lot more than they would have had if I hadn't taken them. Can I promise they will never get feline leukemia? No. Whatever time they have though is more than they were going to get otherwise. I wasn't planning to adopt any more but what could I do? It is high quality time no matter how long it is. All 9 are negative. Life really does not have many guarantees especially if you are a feral kitty. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@vlists.net To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: Re: Sharing food Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 16:45:03 EST MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from vlists.net ([208.186.168.62]) by mc11-f1.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6824); Wed, 12 Jan 2005 13:45:39 -0800 Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j0CLjcC25062for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:45:38 -0600 Received: by vps.vlists.net (TLB v0.11a (1.26 tibbs 1998/09/22 04:41:41)); Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:45:37 -0600 (CST) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j0CLjbJ24979for felvtalk-utils; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:45:37 -0600 Received: from imo-m16.mx.aol.com (imo-m16.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.206])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j0CLjRg24940for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:45:27 -0600 Received: from [EMAIL PROTECTED] imo-m16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id x.103.589f9d04 (3890) for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 16:45:04 -0500 (EST) X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jG2GsvQfymD35hs/uHMwRfN X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1200 Virus-Information
Re: Simon's rally
Maybe he will rally back completely!! This sounds pretty good to me. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@vlists.net To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: Re: Simon's rally Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 17:27:43 EST MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from vlists.net ([208.186.168.62]) by mc2-f26.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Wed, 12 Jan 2005 14:28:11 -0800 Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j0CMSBD01815for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 16:28:11 -0600 Received: by vps.vlists.net (TLB v0.11a (1.26 tibbs 1998/09/22 04:41:41)); Wed, 12 Jan 2005 16:28:09 -0600 (CST) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j0CMS9b01672for felvtalk-utils; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 16:28:09 -0600 Received: from imo-m18.mx.aol.com (imo-m18.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.208])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j0CMRrg00605for felvtalk@vlists.net; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 16:27:53 -0600 Received: from [EMAIL PROTECTED] imo-m18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id x.24.683f43db (4539) for felvtalk@vlists.net; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 17:27:43 -0500 (EST) X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jFxqVfmYbFz/suB0Xy6HkTGvunLZu4P9zA= X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 Virus-Information: Virus Scanned By VLists.Net For Your Protection. Virus-Status: VLists.Net Found No Virus Spam-Status: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.194, required 5, AWL 0.11,BAYES_00 -2.60, HTML_10_20 0.25, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00,MIME_QP_LONG_LINE 0.04, NO_REAL_NAME 0.01) Precedence: list Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jan 2005 22:28:11.0771 (UTC) FILETIME=[FFEE74B0:01C4F8F5] Simon has been alert and eating all day long. I have no idea how much he has eaten total, as it has been a little at a time, but would guess it is the equivalent of between a half and a whole large (6 oz) cat food can. He has also gone back to eating catnip and to rolling on his back for belly rubs. He is extremely weak, though. While he can go to the litter box on his own again, he can onl y walk about 10 feet at a time and then has to lay down. And he walks very slowly. I brought his friend Ginger in to see him, who is the cat closest to him, and he was very interested in her but did not get up to see her which he would have done if he had the energy. He is now stretched out on his belly sleeping again. All day today he was lying in much more normal cat positions, i.e. curled up, etc. So I think his rally may just be in terms of eating, and perhaps eating has on its own made him a little less wobbly. I think, despite myself, I allowed this rally to put a bit of hope back in my heart, and now the grief of thinking of him passing is again so strong. I can not bear it. He has lost so much weight and muscle mass just in the last few days. He looked pretty normal on Friday, and now looks like a cat with advanced cancer. I would not be surprised if he has lost 2 pounds or more since Friday. It is very difficult. While I was writing that last paragraph, he got up and walked a few feet to his cat bed and curled up normally in it. It is as if he knew what I was writing. Thanks for being there and being part of this, Michelle
Re: Sharing food
Beautiful cats!! From: Cherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@vlists.net To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: Re: Sharing food Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 14:17:56 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from vlists.net ([208.186.168.62]) by mc2-f4.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Wed, 12 Jan 2005 14:19:04 -0800 Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j0CMJ4225960for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 16:19:04 -0600 Received: by vps.vlists.net (TLB v0.11a (1.26 tibbs 1998/09/22 04:41:41)); Wed, 12 Jan 2005 16:18:58 -0600 (CST) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j0CMIvA25831for felvtalk-utils; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 16:18:57 -0600 Received: from web81409.mail.yahoo.com (web81409.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.37.98])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j0CMI9g25515for felvtalk@vlists.net; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 16:18:09 -0600 Received: from [68.79.7.21] by web81409.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 14:17:56 PST X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jHAhSUnWYmjC2E2JDd/UEHn/hhyFAeHQBI= Virus-Information: Virus Scanned By VLists.Net For Your Protection. Virus-Status: VLists.Net Found No Virus Spam-Status: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.313, required 5, AWL 0.04,BAYES_00 -2.60, HTML_10_20 0.25, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00) Precedence: list Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jan 2005 22:19:04.0898 (UTC) FILETIME=[B9F84220:01C4F8F4] I agree bravo to you, I also do not like the way my humane society is run, they are a no kill shelter, but they do not take care of the animals that well either, it always stink and there is not much air movement in the area where the cats are kept. I have donated time and money to them I just could not do it anymore, I did not have the heart. Four of kittes were adopted three from that shelterwell actually my mom took two into foster care, and the kitten were not even 6 weeks and so deathly ill, she got them all healthy and happy, then at 9weeks the shelter wanted the kitten back to fix them. My mom thought they were too young so she kept them. Since then I really can not go back to the shelter, because they were really upsetthat was when I realized it was more a money thing to them instead of a loving thing, the kitties were happy and healthy, my mom was going to take pictures and email it to them so they could post them up on their site...but they wanted them ba! ck, then they wanted my mom to pay for them.Ok sorry that is enough of that, but they are Cleo Wassi on the about us page on my website www.prettykittykat.com Amber is my Positve kitty and Tigger is my grouch then you have Candy my sweet thing and Snowball, god rest his soul. Cherie Faye Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My cats fall in this category too. I took 6 more cats in last June. They were headed to the Humane Society which is not well run here. They would have been put in a cage for 28 days and then to death. I neutered/spayed mama and the litter. I brought them home. I had them tested and had them separated for 90 days from my original crew. That was very hard to do. I spoil them, get their illnesses treated. Plenty of toys. Feed super premium foods. No chemicals allowed on the premises (weed killers, etc.) They get brushed regularly and have sparkling clean litter boxes. They have lived with me 7 months. Those 7 months were a whole lot more than they would have had if I hadn't taken them. Can I promise they will never get feline leukemia? No. Whatever time they have though is more than they were going to get otherwise. I wasn't planning to adopt any more but what could I do? It is high quality time no matter how long it is. All 9 are negative. Life really does not have many guarantees especially if you are a feral kitty. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@vlists.net To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: Re: Sharing food Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 16:45:03 EST MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from vlists.net ([208.186.168.62]) by mc11-f1.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6824); Wed, 12 Jan 2005 13:45:39 -0800 Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j0CLjcC25062for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:45:38 -0600 Received: by vps.vlists.net (TLB v0.11a (1.26 tibbs 1998/09/22 04:41:41)); Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:45:37 -0600 (CST) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j0CLjbJ24979for felvtalk-utils; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:45:37 -0600 Received: from imo-m16.mx.aol.com (imo-m16.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.206])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j0CLjRg24940for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:45:27 -0600 Received: from [EMAIL PROTECTED] imo-m16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id x.103.589f9d04 (3890) for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 16:45:04 -0500 (EST) X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jG2GsvQfymD35hs/uHMwRfN X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1200 Virus-Information: Virus Scanned By VLists.Net For Your Protection. Virus-Status
Re: FeLV
I have one that loves kisses. I can ask him if he wants a kiss and he will stand on his two hind legs and head butt my lips. Then there is Simba. LOL Who is just not a touchy feely kinda guy... He is so funny. I get mushy with him and he acts like I am giving him cooties. Then he storms off in a huff for about 15 feet and then runs back and head butts my knees. God knows I love this crowd. From: Barb Moermond [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@vlists.net To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: Re: FeLV Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 15:41:57 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from vlists.net ([208.186.168.62]) by mc5-f2.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Mon, 10 Jan 2005 15:42:39 -0800 Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j0ANgaY21132for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 17:42:36 -0600 Received: by vps.vlists.net (TLB v0.11a (1.26 tibbs 1998/09/22 04:41:41)); Mon, 10 Jan 2005 17:42:26 -0600 (CST) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j0ANgPb20987for felvtalk-utils; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 17:42:25 -0600 Received: from web41214.mail.yahoo.com (web41214.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.47])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j0ANg8K20810for felvtalk@vlists.net; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 17:42:08 -0600 Received: (qmail 44517 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Jan 2005 23:41:57 - Received: from [4.159.68.45] by web41214.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 15:41:57 PST X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jHLhctsApxp+eUu8hY01G6TDR0HhbaC3tw= Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=HhspztT2NOSIVeIPPigasHcHklW3FHheNyNILGKj3Ullkyo6GZ6x7zDQ+SiFWocAYVRyqxDHw0cm9G2c/DBfbpywNh1a2QPwXrewwYNCGvXxaUUu83bInKy/kQgCqIPn7BVsefYHDQyBOWdTJwxhqKIhhwYR3TsRArV9JfhuKa4= ; Virus-Information: Virus Scanned By VLists.Net For Your Protection. Virus-Status: VLists.Net Found No Virus Spam-Status: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.375, required 5, AWL -0.02,BAYES_00 -2.60, HTML_10_20 0.25, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00) Precedence: list Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jan 2005 23:42:39.0705 (UTC) FILETIME=[12339490:01C4F76E] yes!!! my husband especially! LOL he's a convert - he's from Morocco and they don't have pets in the house there, so he wasn't really sure about the boys, but said nothing because they were here first. He loves them s much now!! He's always snuggling them and giving them kisses and they don't usually like the kisses:) Cherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:and don't forget all the kisses they get daily.whether they like it or not ;-)) Faye Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That is what I hate too. Not knowing. Is this going to be the last good day with my babies? The good thing about it is that I don't take any time I have with them for granted. I tell them I love them over and over again, every single day. From: Cherie A Gabbert Reply-To: felvtalk@vlists.net To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: Re: FeLV Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 06:40:41 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from vlists.net ([208.186.168.62]) by mc8-f1.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6824); Mon, 10 Jan 2005 06:42:09 -0800 Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j0AEf9505895for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 08:41:09 -0600 Received: by vps.vlists.net (TLB v0.11a (1.26 tibbs 1998/09/22 04:41:41)! ); Mon, 10 Jan 2005 08:41:08 -0600 (CST) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j0AEf8B05716for felvtalk-utils; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 08:41:08 -0600 Received: from web81405.mail.yahoo.com (web81405.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.37.94])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j0AEetK05665for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 08:40:55 -0600 Received: from [68.79.52.191] by web81405.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 06:40:41 PST X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jGqKP9O5oBTu+zl/edL8Q0Y Virus-Information: Virus Scanned By VLists.Net For Your Protection. Virus-Status: VLists.Net Found No Virus Spam-Status: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.392, required 5,autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.18, BAYES_00 -2.60, HTML_30_40 0.02,HTML_MESSAGE 0.00) Precedence: list Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jan 2005 14:42:09.0375 (UTC) FILETIME=[9037EEF0:01C4F722] I know, but sometimes I think I would like to know for sure. catatonya wrote:That's the problem with the disease. It can hide/be dormant etc There's really no way to know if all your cats are 'safe'. That's why I've stopped testing my exposed cats unless they get sick. If they're positive I'm going to keep them anyway, and keep them mixed. t Cherie A Gabbert wrote: Tonya, I just discovered after this tragedy that one other has it, but she had been tested for it in the past, so it must have just reared is't ugly head recently, she is now on Interferon. catatonya wrote: Hi Cherie, I'm so sorry about your loss of little
RE: Simon update, Tuesday
I just want to cry when I read of your ordeal. Simon is incredibly lucky to have you in his life. My prayers are with you and Simon. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@vlists.net To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: Simon update, Tuesday Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 11:13:17 EST MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from vlists.net ([208.186.168.62]) by mc11-f20.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6824); Tue, 11 Jan 2005 08:22:24 -0800 Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j0BGK4E04700for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 10:20:14 -0600 Received: by vps.vlists.net (TLB v0.11a (1.26 tibbs 1998/09/22 04:41:41)); Tue, 11 Jan 2005 10:15:40 -0600 (CST) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j0BGFF201281for felvtalk-utils; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 10:15:15 -0600 Received: from imo-m28.mx.aol.com (imo-m28.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.9])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j0BGETg31735for felvtalk@vlists.net; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 10:14:40 -0600 Received: from [EMAIL PROTECTED] imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id x.d5.1f55a1ca (4196) for felvtalk@vlists.net; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 11:13:17 -0500 (EST) X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jH3tqH77dZMGbri4bkzbuTM X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 46 Virus-Information: Virus Scanned By VLists.Net For Your Protection. Virus-Status: VLists.Net Found No Virus Spam-Status: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.333, required 5, AWL 0.26,BAYES_00 -2.60, NO_REAL_NAME 0.01) Precedence: list Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jan 2005 16:22:29.0239 (UTC) FILETIME=[BEC00870:01C4F7F9] Simon is still here, though I keep thinking he is so weak he is about to go. He has not had food since yesterday afternoon, and only 1 cc then. He spends most of his time sleeping and cuddling, waking up and rolling over for belly rubs and purring. He loves to be spooned and held against my body and purrs louder until he falls asleep. When I pet his back he pushes his but and tail against me the way cats do when they want to be scratched thre. And he drinks water and as recently as this morning used the litter box. But the horrible thing is that every 4 hours or so he decides he wants to walk around, but he really is too weak or anemic to go far, and when it overcomes him he meows horribly and hyperventillates for about 10 seconds, then lays down and falls asleep for about 20 minutes, then wakes up and wants to be pet and when I pet him starts purring and rolls on his back for a belly rub until he falls asleep again. It's a long cycle he keeps repeating. I think it has happened 6 or 7 times since yesterday afternoon. Every time he gets up I panic, and then when he meows I run for the tranquilizer thinking I will give it to him and call my friend to euthanize him, but then just as suddenly he has stopped and is asleep, then wanting to be pet, etc. So every few hours I decide to euthanize him, only to have him pressed against me purring and giving me his belly before I have made the arrangements. it is a bit horrifying and exhausting, but I just can not see euthanizing him when most of the time he is sleeping or cuddling and purring. I assume that without food he will get weak enough soon that he won't want to walk around, or sick enough that it will be no question as to what I should do. I wish that one of these times when he falls asleep purring he will just slip off quietly. But I know the chances of that are at best no greater than that he will just continue to get worse without dying and I will eventually have to do something. Michelle
RE: third try, Growler is gone
Melissa, I am sorry about Growler. My prayers are with you for a speedy healing. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@vlists.net To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: third try, Growler is gone Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 12:42:17 EST MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from vlists.net ([208.186.168.62]) by mc1-f37.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Tue, 11 Jan 2005 09:50:35 -0800 Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j0BHnF415174for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 11:49:25 -0600 Received: by vps.vlists.net (TLB v0.11a (1.26 tibbs 1998/09/22 04:41:41)); Tue, 11 Jan 2005 11:44:53 -0600 (CST) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j0BHiRu10596for felvtalk-utils; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 11:44:27 -0600 Received: from imo-m19.mx.aol.com (imo-m19.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.11])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j0BHhcg09928for felvtalk@vlists.net; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 11:43:49 -0600 Received: from [EMAIL PROTECTED] imo-m19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id x.7e.60bb65e7 (3866) for felvtalk@vlists.net; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 12:42:17 -0500 (EST) X-Message-Info: 6sSXyD95QpX1U6JAw42dFs0qDosJcSi2R0SLAOqwtrE= X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1200 Virus-Information: Virus Scanned By VLists.Net For Your Protection. Virus-Status: VLists.Net Found No Virus Spam-Status: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.383, required 5, AWL 0.21,BAYES_00 -2.60, NO_REAL_NAME 0.01) Precedence: list Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jan 2005 17:50:40.0547 (UTC) FILETIME=[109D8F30:01C4F806] The kidney workup came back normal and the CBC came back normal, if indicative of an FeLV positive status (slightly anemic, slightly elevated white blood cell count, all normal for an FeLV positive cat). The doctor was able to rule out infection and kidney problems, leaving two real options: either Growler had suffered a traumatic injury to her spine (and one which didn't show up on an x-ray and which would require invasive testing to diagnose), or the FeLV had invaded her bone marrow and in particular her spine. The doctor stated that he had only seen the latter happen once in an FeLV cat, but the symptoms seemed similar. The pain meds and steroid only made a minimal difference at first and gradually, her condition worsened. She was confined to a crate for crate rest but even still, she got to a point where she wouldn't move and where if I pinched her back feet she made no effort to pull them away. She still had neurologic function in the legs and feet, but she was otherwise in too much pain or too weak to respond. Her condition was stressful to witness and began, I believe, to distress the other animals in the house. Even Wynnie, a hostile cat at best, worriedly passed Growler in the crate and occasionally paced by her. I made the decision this morning not to subject her to invasive testing as treatment would likely not be without risk, and would likely be lengthy and painful with no guarantee of success. I felt she had suffered more than enough and the best I could do was help her to her final rest and peace from pain. It was not a decision I took lightly; Growler is the first animal I have ever personally had euthanized. She was my special little girl, my feisty little runt and mama's kitten. I will miss her sweet little face so very much. She was my first lap cat and my first real taming success. I didn't want to let her go, but I guess Zest needed her more. Melissa in NJ
Re: FeLV
That is what I hate too. Not knowing. Is this going to be the last good day with my babies? The good thing about it is that I don't take any time I have with them for granted. I tell them I love them over and over again, every single day. From: Cherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@vlists.net To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: Re: FeLV Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 06:40:41 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from vlists.net ([208.186.168.62]) by mc8-f1.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6824); Mon, 10 Jan 2005 06:42:09 -0800 Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j0AEf9505895for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 08:41:09 -0600 Received: by vps.vlists.net (TLB v0.11a (1.26 tibbs 1998/09/22 04:41:41)); Mon, 10 Jan 2005 08:41:08 -0600 (CST) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j0AEf8B05716for felvtalk-utils; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 08:41:08 -0600 Received: from web81405.mail.yahoo.com (web81405.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.37.94])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j0AEetK05665for felvtalk@vlists.net; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 08:40:55 -0600 Received: from [68.79.52.191] by web81405.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 06:40:41 PST X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jGqKP9O5oBTu+zl/edL8Q0Y Virus-Information: Virus Scanned By VLists.Net For Your Protection. Virus-Status: VLists.Net Found No Virus Spam-Status: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.392, required 5,autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.18, BAYES_00 -2.60, HTML_30_40 0.02,HTML_MESSAGE 0.00) Precedence: list Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jan 2005 14:42:09.0375 (UTC) FILETIME=[9037EEF0:01C4F722] I know, but sometimes I think I would like to know for sure. catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:That's the problem with the disease. It can hide/be dormant etc There's really no way to know if all your cats are 'safe'. That's why I've stopped testing my exposed cats unless they get sick. If they're positive I'm going to keep them anyway, and keep them mixed. t Cherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tonya, I just discovered after this tragedy that one other has it, but she had been tested for it in the past, so it must have just reared is't ugly head recently, she is now on Interferon. catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Cherie, I'm so sorry about your loss of little Snowball. As you can see this is a very supportive group. I have just started catching up on my emails. Did you say one of your other cats is also positive or that they are all negative? tonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/7/2005 11:17:55 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Everyone has beed tested recently, my concern is that it happened so fast and so consuming. If everyone has been tested recently..and ALL were negative..then no one is sheding the virus...if his parents were 100% negative..I see absolutly no way he came into contact with the virus!!! UNLESS he got outside? did he mabey escape? even just onceIf all th cats were tested recently...and they were all negative..then I would call for an autopsy..this vet may have just jumped to conclusions based on..I dunno what...but with what you first said..about her deciding Snowball had FeLV based on her platelet and white blood cell count..and now that all your other kitties are 100% negativethere is NO WAY he was positive!!! UNLESS he did come into contact with another cat at somepoint...think..think ...think... Lisa and fur-brats Akira--FeLV miracle baby www.geocities.com/anzajaguar Indy-- Truley Indian Jones as a cat..FEARLESS Lance- Mini wire haired dashchund Bow-Tie- 2yr old (sss he doesnt know he is 15 :) ) jack russel cross Bennie Bird-- Vampire cockatiel Anza-- sexist Senegal parrot..deffinantly a ladies bird :)
RE: My Beethoven is gone....
Teri, I am sorry for your loss. Dogs that bloat often bloat again. Older dogs are more susceptible than younger ones. Chances are, Beethoven would have bloated again. There are factors that are difficult to pinpoint and you may not be able to eradicate. I just did research for this for a general pet board I moderate. 10 years is pretty darn old for a dog as large as Beethoven. You did the best that you could. He had a good life with you and that is all any pet can ask for. I do think you should look into getting a different vet though. I have found that the best vets are not usually the ones that gouge the heck out of their clients. It sounds like your vet may be guilty of that. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FELV LIST felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: My Beethoven is gone Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 08:37:52 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from vlists.net ([208.186.168.62]) by mc7-f20.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6824); Mon, 10 Jan 2005 08:40:31 -0800 Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j0AGcVk05252for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 10:38:31 -0600 Received: by vps.vlists.net (TLB v0.11a (1.26 tibbs 1998/09/22 04:41:41)); Mon, 10 Jan 2005 10:38:29 -0600 (CST) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j0AGcT605163for felvtalk-utils; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 10:38:29 -0600 Received: from web81605.mail.yahoo.com (web81605.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.37.122])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j0AGcHK05116for felvtalk@vlists.net; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 10:38:17 -0600 Received: from [68.252.4.31] by web81605.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 08:37:52 PST X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jGJboPUOonyo4+JfXE/O0xN Virus-Information: Virus Scanned By VLists.Net For Your Protection. Virus-Status: VLists.Net Found No Virus Spam-Status: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-1.934, required 5, AWL -0.41,BAYES_00 -2.60, HTML_00_10 1.07, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00,NO_REAL_NAME 0.01) Precedence: list Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jan 2005 16:40:31.0803 (UTC) FILETIME=[199870B0:01C4F733] I have just caught up reading about everyones fur babies. I just am so down right now. My St Bernard, Beethoven came down with bloat and had to be put down Friday night. He was 10 years old and this emergency vet came in the room and explained he was in grave condition, it would take $500.00 to start surgery and the bill would be around $3000.00 when he was done. He was old and having a hard time getting around as it was and she never said one thing about his age, just the fee involved. I had already lost another St Bernard last Christmas,2003. He had bladder stones and dies on the operating table from too much anesthesia. We had an autopsy done on him and that was the initial cause of death. Yep, that vet even sent me a bill for his professional services. I haven't paid it. We can go to court! So needless to say when all of this money, money came up Friday night all I could say is I had already lost one on the operating table and this guy is old and my heart just couldn'! t go through that again. He was so bad in just the 15 min to get him to the emergency vet's office he didn't know us anymore. Would he have made it? I just don't know and I sit here and second guess myself today. I just needed to vent. thanks for listening Teri
Re: FeLV
They do depend on us and we do have to do the best we can but there are still many, many things that we just cannot control. I did what you are supposed to do and it was not enough. I wouldn't bring another FeLV cat into the household unless all the cats go positive. I would be afraid of introducing a different strain that might make the negatives go positive. That's just me though and I respect those that would do things differently. From: Cherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@vlists.net To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: Re: FeLV Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 17:47:36 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from vlists.net ([208.186.168.62]) by mc12-f8.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6824); Sat, 8 Jan 2005 17:48:11 -0800 Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j091mB709387for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 19:48:11 -0600 Received: by vps.vlists.net (TLB v0.11a (1.26 tibbs 1998/09/22 04:41:41)); Sat, 08 Jan 2005 19:48:07 -0600 (CST) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j091m7X09299for felvtalk-utils; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 19:48:07 -0600 Received: from web81404.mail.yahoo.com (web81404.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.37.93])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j091loX09166for felvtalk@vlists.net; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 19:47:50 -0600 Received: from [68.79.23.35] by web81404.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 08 Jan 2005 17:47:36 PST X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jEw0SEORs5FmaBw+4b99ZTZ Virus-Information: Virus Scanned By VLists.Net For Your Protection. Virus-Status: VLists.Net Found No Virus Spam-Status: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.37, required 5, AWL -0.02,BAYES_00 -2.60, HTML_10_20 0.25, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00) Precedence: list Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jan 2005 01:48:11.0374 (UTC) FILETIME=[469990E0:01C4F5ED] I have to be hard on myself all furrbabies are so precious and trusting, they depend on us. Faye Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Please don't be too hard on yourself. Remember this disease evolved from nature and infects wild cats of many species. It is a tough one to accurately test for. It is a very sophisticated virus. No one wants this illness. I did all the right things when I got Tigger. I had him immediately tested. He was negative. He was quarantined from my other cats for 90 days. All cats were housecats. Tigger still died and exposed my other babies. This is a very tough battle to fight. From: Cherie A Gabbert Reply-To: felvtalk@vlists.net To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: Re: FeLV Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 12:51:10 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from vlists.net ([208.186.168.62]) by mc8-f31.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6824); Sat, 8 Jan 2005 12:51:40 -0800 Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j08Kpeq27344for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 14:51:40 -0600 Received: by vps.vlists.net (TLB v0.11a (1.26 tibbs 1998/09/22 04:41:41)); Sat, 08 Jan 2005 14:51:37 -0600 (CST) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j08Kpbv27248for felvtalk-utils; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 14:51:37 -0600 Received: from web81405.mail.yahoo.com (web81405.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.37.94])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j08KpNX27223for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 14:51:24 -0600 Received: from [68.249.202.240] by web81405.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 08 Jan 2005 12:51:10 PST X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jGCN33eH4pHGMj9UOhvxMHX Virus-Information: Virus Scanned By VLists.Net For Your Protection. Virus-Status: VLists.Net Found No Virus Spam-Status: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.543, required 5,autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.03, BAYES_00 -2.60, HTML_30_40 0.02,HTML_MESSAGE 0.00) Precedence: list Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jan 2005 20:51:40.0710 (UTC) FILETIME=[DA89AC60:01C4F5C3] Regrettfully, I was not thinking straight and I had him creamated before I could even suggest an autopsy. I did mean the way he past, seems to be a bit odd as far as I can tell my case is a rare case with the bleeding, so am I sure my vet did everything she couldNO. Am I sure it was only FeLV...with the help of this site I would have to again say NO. Am I sure that waiting until Monday was best, maybe that day could have helped him.again the answer is NO, I have major guilt that I can not shake. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:In a message dated 1/8/2005 1:25:08 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: found out this afternoon, that one other tested positive, so that is probally the case. I am just having a hard time swallowing the fact that the way it happened seems to be so uncommon. No not really..several member on here have found out this very way...that another of their kitties was a dormant carrier and never knew it until another cat they had became sick and died..the WAY he died is a bit odd..but I would lay a guess that there was something else going on as well..be it FeLV related
Re: Simon is eating
I am so glad that Simon is doing better. I do believe that prayers often help when nothing else does. At least it does in my life. I also agree with what Nina said. I have no organized religious belief. I have found there to be a loving foce in the universe that does occasionally pause in its magnificence to help us out when we pray. From: Barbara Lowe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@vlists.net To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: Re: Simon is eating Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 21:34:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from vlists.net ([208.186.168.62]) by mc1-f4.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Fri, 7 Jan 2005 18:42:02 -0800 Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j082g3A28141for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 20:42:03 -0600 Received: by vps.vlists.net (TLB v0.11a (1.26 tibbs 1998/09/22 04:41:41)); Fri, 07 Jan 2005 20:41:56 -0600 (CST) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j082ft927796for felvtalk-utils; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 20:41:55 -0600 Received: from mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.85])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j082YcX23279for felvtalk@vlists.net; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 20:34:38 -0600 Received: from ebay (ool-182f1525.dyn.optonline.net [24.47.21.37]) by mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id [EMAIL PROTECTED] for felvtalk@vlists.net; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 21:32:16 -0500 (EST) X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jHQ2TZsZeJa1vT6KIDsxkuE6G8k7TJ13O0= X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Virus-Information: Virus Scanned By VLists.Net For Your Protection. Virus-Status: VLists.Net Found No Virus Spam-Status: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.495, required 5,autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.04, BAYES_00 -2.60, HTML_80_90 0.15,HTML_MESSAGE 0.00) Precedence: list Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jan 2005 02:42:02.0735 (UTC) FILETIME=[A23A5FF0:01C4F52B] I truly believe everyone's prayers helped Jelly Roll and me have some good days. so glad you have this time for some joy. Barbara
Re: FeLV
Please don't be too hard on yourself. Remember this disease evolved from nature and infects wild cats of many species. It is a tough one to accurately test for. It is a very sophisticated virus. No one wants this illness. I did all the right things when I got Tigger. I had him immediately tested. He was negative. He was quarantined from my other cats for 90 days. All cats were housecats. Tigger still died and exposed my other babies. This is a very tough battle to fight. From: Cherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@vlists.net To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: Re: FeLV Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 12:51:10 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from vlists.net ([208.186.168.62]) by mc8-f31.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6824); Sat, 8 Jan 2005 12:51:40 -0800 Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j08Kpeq27344for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 14:51:40 -0600 Received: by vps.vlists.net (TLB v0.11a (1.26 tibbs 1998/09/22 04:41:41)); Sat, 08 Jan 2005 14:51:37 -0600 (CST) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j08Kpbv27248for felvtalk-utils; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 14:51:37 -0600 Received: from web81405.mail.yahoo.com (web81405.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.37.94])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j08KpNX27223for felvtalk@vlists.net; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 14:51:24 -0600 Received: from [68.249.202.240] by web81405.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 08 Jan 2005 12:51:10 PST X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jGCN33eH4pHGMj9UOhvxMHX Virus-Information: Virus Scanned By VLists.Net For Your Protection. Virus-Status: VLists.Net Found No Virus Spam-Status: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.543, required 5,autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.03, BAYES_00 -2.60, HTML_30_40 0.02,HTML_MESSAGE 0.00) Precedence: list Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jan 2005 20:51:40.0710 (UTC) FILETIME=[DA89AC60:01C4F5C3] Regrettfully, I was not thinking straight and I had him creamated before I could even suggest an autopsy. I did mean the way he past, seems to be a bit odd as far as I can tell my case is a rare case with the bleeding, so am I sure my vet did everything she couldNO. Am I sure it was only FeLV...with the help of this site I would have to again say NO. Am I sure that waiting until Monday was best, maybe that day could have helped him.again the answer is NO, I have major guilt that I can not shake. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:In a message dated 1/8/2005 1:25:08 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: found out this afternoon, that one other tested positive, so that is probally the case. I am just having a hard time swallowing the fact that the way it happened seems to be so uncommon. No not really..several member on here have found out this very way...that another of their kitties was a dormant carrier and never knew it until another cat they had became sick and died..the WAY he died is a bit odd..but I would lay a guess that there was something else going on as well..be it FeLV related or not.that is why I suggested an autopsy to be done Lisa and fur-brats Akira--FeLV miracle baby www.geocities.com/anzajaguar Indy-- Truley Indian Jones as a cat..FEARLESS Lance- Mini wire haired dashchund Bow-Tie- 2yr old (sss he doesnt know he is 15 :) ) jack russel cross Bennie Bird-- Vampire cockatiel Anza-- sexist Senegal parrot..deffinantly a ladies bird :)
RE: Growler, euthanasia, animal communicator rec?
I'm sorry Melissa that Growler isn't doing well. Can't help you with the communicator but just wanted to let you know my prayers are with you and Growler. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@vlists.net To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: Growler, euthanasia, animal communicator rec? Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 22:45:00 EST MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from vlists.net ([208.186.168.62]) by mc2-f14.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Sat, 8 Jan 2005 19:50:21 -0800 Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j093nK227195for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 21:49:20 -0600 Received: by vps.vlists.net (TLB v0.11a (1.26 tibbs 1998/09/22 04:41:41)); Sat, 08 Jan 2005 21:49:14 -0600 (CST) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j093nDl26758for felvtalk-utils; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 21:49:13 -0600 Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com (imo-m27.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.8])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j093jRX24064for felvtalk@vlists.net; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 21:45:27 -0600 Received: from [EMAIL PROTECTED] imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id x.65.3c42b0f3 (3842) for felvtalk@vlists.net; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 22:45:00 -0500 (EST) X-Message-Info: 6sSXyD95QpVIAptPYg6vghAH4jOl3Xxga7/A6B7q1dw= X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1200 Virus-Information: Virus Scanned By VLists.Net For Your Protection. Virus-Status: VLists.Net Found No Virus Spam-Status: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.371, required 5, AWL 0.22,BAYES_00 -2.60, NO_REAL_NAME 0.01) Precedence: list Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jan 2005 03:50:22.0076 (UTC) FILETIME=[5809EBC0:01C4F5FE] I think that I may make the euthanasia decision for Growler on Monday. She is in a lot of pain and the medication only seems to help a little. She's not eating much or moving much and is confined to a crate because of the potential for more damage to occur if she mixes with the other animals (vet recommended crate rest). I don't want to keep her this way indefinitely, it's not humane--I can't even touch her, her skin crawls with the pain but I can't give her more pain meds. Who was it that you guys recommended for the animal communication? For a reasonable price, because I don't have a lot of money. I just...I think I would just like to try to talk to her before I make a final decision. Melissa in NJ
Re: FeLV
I lost my cat pretty quickly too. He was 2 years old and had been tested when I first got him. He tested negative and was vaccinated. Then 10 months later, at the end of December 2002, I noticed that he was a bit quiet. However, he ate well, was very cheerful and sociable. Then during the night of January 3, 2003, he vomited twice and then refused breakfast. I took him to the vet that morning. The vet looked at his gums and was alarmed and kept him. They called me 3 hours later and said that his blood was like pure water and tested positive FeLV. They didn't feel like they had anything to work with. My vet is not one to automatically euthanize. He does treat FIV and FeLV cases long term. However, he told me that he didn't have anything to work with. I was stunned. I had no idea he was that sick. I am very conscious of my pet's health and well-being. With hindsight, all I can say is that he was quiet the week before. Just slightly quieter than usual. Not outright lethargic. He wasn't sleeping a lot or anything. He just didn't run up and down the hall when I was home from work. He had an excellent coat, bright eyes, no mouth problems, no breathing problems, no hiding out. It was awful. It makes me paranoid about the ones I have now. Esepcailly since they were exposed to the sick one. Even though they have tested negative repeatedly. I've been pretty good about not running to the vet for nothing however I took two cats in December because they were off. One had a mild respiratory illness and the other was perfectly fine. LOL So, I have only had one true Nervous Nellie call in 2 years but it is much harder for me now. I just don't trust so easily that they are healthy. I get alarmed easily. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: Re: FeLV Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 10:44:36 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from vlists.net ([208.186.168.62]) by mc12-f5.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6824); Fri, 7 Jan 2005 08:45:16 -0800 Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j07GjGs04266for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 10:45:16 -0600 Received: by vps.vlists.net (TLB v0.11a (1.26 tibbs 1998/09/22 04:41:41)); Fri, 07 Jan 2005 10:45:15 -0600 (CST) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j07GjFB03993for felvtalk-utils; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 10:45:15 -0600 Received: from ms-smtp-02-eri0.texas.rr.com (ms-smtp-02.texas.rr.com [24.93.47.41])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j07GivX01565for felvtalk@vlists.net; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 10:44:57 -0600 Received: from ms-mss-01 (ms-mss-01-smtp-b.texas.rr.com [10.93.38.16])by ms-smtp-02-eri0.texas.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j07Gia8H005296for felvtalk@vlists.net; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 10:44:37 -0600 (CST) Received: from texas.rr.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ms-mss-01.texas.rr.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.21 (built Sep 8 2003)) with ESMTP id [EMAIL PROTECTED] for felvtalk@vlists.net; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 10:44:36 -0600 (CST) Received: from [10.93.36.28] (Forwarded-For: [24.238.175.97]) by ms-mss-01.texas.rr.com (mshttpd); Fri, 07 Jan 2005 10:44:36 -0600 X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jGltIpQKbyfg9Y1Yhm5y9Kc X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 1.21 (built Sep 8 2003) Content-language: en X-Accept-Language: en X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Virus-Information: Virus Scanned By VLists.Net For Your Protection. Virus-Status: VLists.Net Found No Virus Spam-Status: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.553, required 5, AWL 0.04,BAYES_00 -2.60, NO_REAL_NAME 0.01) Precedence: list Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jan 2005 16:45:16.0439 (UTC) FILETIME=[44033270:01C4F4D8] Hi Cherie! I'm so sorry to hear of your loss of Snowball...it's so devastating to lose them at such a young age...Unfortunately, this virus can be relentless at times. I've only been dealing with FeLV for a few years, but I can tell you that I lost one baby in a matter of days; he was perfectly healthy one day until I noticed that he was breathing just a little bit heavier than the others. Within a matter of a few days, he was diagnosed with a tumor in his chest and we had to let him go (the tumor was inoperable and he just couldn't breathe due to the build-up of fluid in his chest cavity). I still can't believe how quickly he went... On the other hand, we had a cat, Charlie (also FeLV+) fight anemia for more than 6 months before finally succumbing to his illness. And then again, we still have Charlie's two brothers (who will be 3 years old this year) who are going strong. Generally speaking, cats who are born with FeLV or contract the virus at a young age don't typically have a life span greater than a few years...but there are always exceptions to the rules! :) We had a litter of 5 cats born with the virus...we lost 2 at arouond a year of age and 1 at around 18 months. The remaining
Re: FeLV
Cherie, Did you mean your cat tested negative? Or tht he did test positive? Pepsi and Magellan were 4 weeks old and Tigger (the infected cat) groomed them for hours. I just knew they had no chance at all. Thus far, they have not tested positive. The vet tested them every 90 days the first year and last year they were tested every 6 months. They will be getting another test in a few weeks. Magellan got an extra test because he got sick in September. He was negative. The vet did the immune system tests to make sure nothing funny was going on and he was fine. From: Cherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@vlists.net To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: Re: FeLV Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 09:56:54 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from vlists.net ([208.186.168.62]) by mc8-f3.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6824); Fri, 7 Jan 2005 10:04:48 -0800 Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j07I2Sv01513for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 12:02:38 -0600 Received: by vps.vlists.net (TLB v0.11a (1.26 tibbs 1998/09/22 04:41:41)); Fri, 07 Jan 2005 11:58:13 -0600 (CST) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j07HwDO30101for felvtalk-utils; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 11:58:13 -0600 Received: from web81410.mail.yahoo.com (web81410.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.37.99])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j07Hw1X30087for felvtalk@vlists.net; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 11:58:01 -0600 Received: from [68.79.48.55] by web81410.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 09:56:54 PST X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jEmQxNFRO630FryCfMKOkV1 Virus-Information: Virus Scanned By VLists.Net For Your Protection. Virus-Status: VLists.Net Found No Virus Spam-Status: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.346, required 5, AWL 0.01,BAYES_00 -2.60, HTML_10_20 0.25, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00) Precedence: list Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jan 2005 18:04:53.0727 (UTC) FILETIME=[637F7EF0:01C4F4E3] Faye, I feel the same way, the (5) that I have are all bouncing around but the closest one to Snowball, the one that would roll around with him and lick him and be licked by him, is my main concern, she is only 4 months and I am sick with worry, she was vacinated and she did test postive but, sometimes it can hide. I am sorry to here about your lost one, it seems to be getting easier, except I just got pictures form christmas, and he was all over them...That was difficult. What ever does not kill us, will make us stronger. We all are strong, and we have to be for our furrbabies. Thanks again Cherie Faye Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I lost my cat pretty quickly too. He was 2 years old and had been tested when I first got him. He tested negative and was vaccinated. Then 10 months later, at the end of December 2002, I noticed that he was a bit quiet. However, he ate well, was very cheerful and sociable. Then during the night of January 3, 2003, he vomited twice and then refused breakfast. I took him to the vet that morning. The vet looked at his gums and was alarmed and kept him. They called me 3 hours later and said that his blood was like pure water and tested positive FeLV. They didn't feel like they had anything to work with. My vet is not one to automatically euthanize. He does treat FIV and FeLV cases long term. However, he told me that he didn't have anything to work with. I was stunned. I had no idea he was that sick. I am very conscious of my pet's health and well-being. With hindsight, all I can say is that he was quiet the week before. Just slightly quieter than usual. Not outright lethargic. He wasn't sleeping a lot or anything. He just didn't run up and down the hall when I was home from work. He had an excellent coat, bright eyes, no mouth problems, no breathing problems, no hiding out. It was awful. It makes me paranoid about the ones I have now. Esepcailly since they were exposed to the sick one. Even though they have tested negative repeatedly. I've been pretty good about not running to the vet for nothing however I took two cats in December because they were off. One had a mild respiratory illness and the other was perfectly fine. LOL So, I have only had one true Nervous Nellie call in 2 years but it is much harder for me now. I just don't trust so easily that they are healthy. I get alarmed easily. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: Re: FeLV Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 10:44:36 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from vlists.net ([208.186.168.62]) by mc12-f5.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6824); Fri, 7 Jan 2005 08:45:16 -0800 Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j07GjGs04266for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 10:45:16 -0600 Received: by vps.vlists.net (TLB v0.11a (1.26 tibbs 1998/09/22 04:41:41)); Fri, 07 Jan 2005 10:45:15 -0600 (CST) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j07GjFB03993for felvtalk-utils; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 10:45
Re: FeLV
I know how it is to be where you are. It may be some comfort to you that my cats were exposed at 4 weeks of age, constantly groomed by, shared food, water and litter boxes with my infected cat for 6 weeks before he was diagnosed. My oldest cat was exposed 8 months to the infected cat. It has now been 2 years since last exposure and to my knowledge are not positive. They will get their next test in a few weeks. They all seem to be healthy. Still praying though. The University of Georgia Vet school says that a cat is considered safe after 30 months following last exposure. My vet is more conservative. He prefers 36 months. However, since none of my cats have tested positive and each cat has had 9 tests, he feels they are not likely to go positive. People in this group have had very little spreading when mixing their positives and negatives. It does appear to be harder to spread than once thought. This is a good group to belong to with very sound information. I have panicked several times over the last 2 years and people here have given me 100% accurate advice. From: Cherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@vlists.net To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: Re: FeLV Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 10:41:12 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from vlists.net ([208.186.168.62]) by mc1-f23.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Fri, 7 Jan 2005 10:49:28 -0800 Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j07ImAR00770for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 12:48:20 -0600 Received: by vps.vlists.net (TLB v0.11a (1.26 tibbs 1998/09/22 04:41:41)); Fri, 07 Jan 2005 12:43:38 -0600 (CST) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j07IhCQ28904for felvtalk-utils; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 12:43:12 -0600 Received: from web81401.mail.yahoo.com (web81401.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.37.90])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j07IgJX28662for felvtalk@vlists.net; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 12:42:30 -0600 Received: from [68.79.48.55] by web81401.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 10:41:12 PST X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jE8sL1ocxE5yX69r/Qcf7TaJfu0wXLQnQ0= Virus-Information: Virus Scanned By VLists.Net For Your Protection. Virus-Status: VLists.Net Found No Virus Spam-Status: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.347, required 5, AWL 0.01,BAYES_00 -2.60, HTML_10_20 0.25, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00) Precedence: list Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jan 2005 18:49:33.0578 (UTC) FILETIME=[A0D04EA0:01C4F4E9] Faye, I am sorry Candy tested negative not positive for the virus, but I am going to get her tested again soon, just to make sure it is not hiding, Candy is very depressed because her and Snowball were the closest. I will be getting all my furbabies test alot to make sure it this does not rear it's ugly head. Faye Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cherie, Did you mean your cat tested negative? Or tht he did test positive? Pepsi and Magellan were 4 weeks old and Tigger (the infected cat) groomed them for hours. I just knew they had no chance at all. Thus far, they have not tested positive. The vet tested them every 90 days the first year and last year they were tested every 6 months. They will be getting another test in a few weeks. Magellan got an extra test because he got sick in September. He was negative. The vet did the immune system tests to make sure nothing funny was going on and he was fine. From: Cherie A Gabbert Reply-To: felvtalk@vlists.net To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: Re: FeLV Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 09:56:54 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from vlists.net ([208.186.168.62]) by mc8-f3.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6824); Fri, 7 Jan 2005 10:04:48 -0800 Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j07I2Sv01513for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 12:02:38 -0600 Received: by vps.vlists.net (TLB v0.11a (1.26 tibbs 1998/09/22 04:41:41)); Fri, 07 Jan 2005 11:58:13 -0600 (CST) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j07HwDO30101for felvtalk-utils; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 11:58:13 -0600 Received: from web81410.mail.yahoo.com (web81410.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.37.99])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j07Hw1X30087for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 11:58:01 -0600 Received: from [68.79.48.55] by web81410.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 09:56:54 PST X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jEmQxNFRO630FryCfMKOkV1 Virus-Information: Virus Scanned By VLists.Net For Your Protection. Virus-Status: VLists.Net Found No Virus Spam-Status: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.346, required 5, AWL 0.01,BAYES_00 -2.60, HTML_10_20 0.25, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00) Precedence: list Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jan 2005 18:04:53.0727 (UTC) FILETIME=[637F7EF0:01C4F4E3] Faye, I feel the same way, the (5) that I have are all bouncing around but the closest one to Snowball, the one that would roll around with him and lick him and be licked by him, is my main
Re: FeLV
Unless the parents are positive but they were only tested when the virus was hiding in the bone marrow or elsewhere. From: Cherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@vlists.net To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: Re: FeLV Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 10:42:27 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from vlists.net ([208.186.168.62]) by mc11-f25.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6824); Fri, 7 Jan 2005 10:49:30 -0800 Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j07InAR01459for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 12:49:20 -0600 Received: by vps.vlists.net (TLB v0.11a (1.26 tibbs 1998/09/22 04:41:41)); Fri, 07 Jan 2005 12:44:38 -0600 (CST) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j07IiCX29331for felvtalk-utils; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 12:44:12 -0600 Received: from web81410.mail.yahoo.com (web81410.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.37.99])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j07IhbX29056for felvtalk@vlists.net; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 12:43:47 -0600 Received: from [68.79.48.55] by web81410.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 10:42:27 PST X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jEzPkhsBG20FFiEe3uworWQ Virus-Information: Virus Scanned By VLists.Net For Your Protection. Virus-Status: VLists.Net Found No Virus Spam-Status: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.46, required 5,autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.12, BAYES_00 -2.60, HTML_30_40 0.02,HTML_MESSAGE 0.00) Precedence: list Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jan 2005 18:49:36.0007 (UTC) FILETIME=[A242F170:01C4F4E9] I have racked my brain...I can not think of anywhere, unless one of my cats carries it. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:In a message dated 1/7/2005 11:17:55 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Everyone has beed tested recently, my concern is that it happened so fast and so consuming. If everyone has been tested recently..and ALL were negative..then no one is sheding the virus...if his parents were 100% negative..I see absolutly no way he came into contact with the virus!!! UNLESS he got outside? did he mabey escape? even just onceIf all th cats were tested recently...and they were all negative..then I would call for an autopsy..this vet may have just jumped to conclusions based on..I dunno what...but with what you first said..about her deciding Snowball had FeLV based on her platelet and white blood cell count..and now that all your other kitties are 100% negativethere is NO WAY he was positive!!! UNLESS he did come into contact with another cat at somepoint...think..think ...think... Lisa and fur-brats Akira--FeLV miracle baby www.geocities.com/anzajaguar Indy-- Truley Indian Jones as a cat..FEARLESS Lance- Mini wire haired dashchund Bow-Tie- 2yr old (sss he doesnt know he is 15 :) ) jack russel cross Bennie Bird-- Vampire cockatiel Anza-- sexist Senegal parrot..deffinantly a ladies bird :)
Re: FeLV
Apparently, there are more factors than simply exposure to the illness. Most of these factors we probably have not figured out yet. Some of them may be genetic. Those we cannot control. I do recommend, as have many on this list, feeding a super premium food like Eagle Pack, Innova, Wellness, Newman's Own, Solid Gold, etc. I fed Wellness until 4 months ago when I changed to Eagle Pack. Our cats do not need to have to deal with poor quality food with ingredients less than perfect. From: Cherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@vlists.net To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: Re: FeLV Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 12:19:31 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from vlists.net ([208.186.168.62]) by mc5-f6.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Fri, 7 Jan 2005 12:20:00 -0800 Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j07KJxg16957for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 14:19:59 -0600 Received: by vps.vlists.net (TLB v0.11a (1.26 tibbs 1998/09/22 04:41:41)); Fri, 07 Jan 2005 14:19:58 -0600 (CST) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j07KJwM16840for felvtalk-utils; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 14:19:58 -0600 Received: from web81407.mail.yahoo.com (web81407.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.37.96])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j07KJhX16794for felvtalk@vlists.net; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 14:19:43 -0600 Received: from [68.79.48.55] by web81407.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 12:19:31 PST X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jG1oSSMOBTWaCJnH4T3aul1wHaIa7bB6No= Virus-Information: Virus Scanned By VLists.Net For Your Protection. Virus-Status: VLists.Net Found No Virus Spam-Status: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.373, required 5, AWL -0.02,BAYES_00 -2.60, HTML_10_20 0.25, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00) Precedence: list Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jan 2005 20:20:00.0121 (UTC) FILETIME=[43490E90:01C4F4F6] Faye, That is wonderful to hear, because I did get news that I do have 1 infected cat, but all have been vaccinated, Amber is so special and sweet I can not believe it, but so far that is the only one, I am going to keep getting my cats tested. Amber did come from a shelter and was very sickly 1 year ago, but with love and my fattening her up she is 100%. So what appears to have happened is before we got Snowball vaccinated he must have had major contact with Amber and it had a very bad affect on himso mind you know I have tons more guilt because of that, I wish I would have known. Faye Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know how it is to be where you are. It may be some comfort to you that my cats were exposed at 4 weeks of age, constantly groomed by, shared food, water and litter boxes with my infected cat for 6 weeks before he was diagnosed. My oldest cat was exposed 8 months to the infected cat. It has now been 2 years since last exposure and to my knowledge are not positive. They will get their next test in a few weeks. They all seem to be healthy. Still praying though. The University of Georgia Vet school says that a cat is considered safe after 30 months following last exposure. My vet is more conservative. He prefers 36 months. However, since none of my cats have tested positive and each cat has had 9 tests, he feels they are not likely to go positive. People in this group have had very little spreading when mixing their positives and negatives. It does appear to be harder to spread than once thought. This is a good group to belong to with very sound information. I have panicked several times over the last 2 years and people here have given me 100% accurate advice. From: Cherie A Gabbert Reply-To: felvtalk@vlists.net To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: Re: FeLV Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 10:41:12 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from vlists.net ([208.186.168.62]) by mc1-f23.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Fri, 7 Jan 2005 10:49:28 -0800 Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j07ImAR00770for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 12:48:20 -0600 Received: by vps.vlists.net (TLB v0.11a (1.26 tibbs 1998/09/22 04:41:41)); Fri, 07 Jan 2005 12:43:38 -0600 (CST) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j07IhCQ28904for felvtalk-utils; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 12:43:12 -0600 Received: from web81401.mail.yahoo.com (web81401.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.37.90])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j07IgJX28662for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 12:42:30 -0600 Received: from [68.79.48.55] by web81401.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 10:41:12 PST X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jE8sL1ocxE5yX69r/Qcf7TaJfu0wXLQnQ0= Virus-Information: Virus Scanned By VLists.Net For Your Protection. Virus-Status: VLists.Net Found No Virus Spam-Status: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.347, required 5, AWL 0.01,BAYES_00 -2.60, HTML_10_20 0.25, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00) Precedence: list Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jan 2005 18:49:33.0578 (UTC) FILETIME=[A0D04EA0
Re: FeLV
How long was it before she tested positive? From: Cherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@vlists.net To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: Re: FeLV Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 12:34:42 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from vlists.net ([208.186.168.62]) by mc5-f21.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Fri, 7 Jan 2005 12:35:15 -0800 Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j07KZJY31235for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 14:35:19 -0600 Received: by vps.vlists.net (TLB v0.11a (1.26 tibbs 1998/09/22 04:41:41)); Fri, 07 Jan 2005 14:35:18 -0600 (CST) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j07KZIb31081for felvtalk-utils; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 14:35:18 -0600 Received: from web81402.mail.yahoo.com (web81402.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.37.91])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j07KZ0X29596for felvtalk@vlists.net; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 14:35:00 -0600 Received: from [68.79.48.55] by web81402.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 12:34:42 PST X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jH+kkfv2arAMw1F4BHeGJp46LhyZXrM06Q= Virus-Information: Virus Scanned By VLists.Net For Your Protection. Virus-Status: VLists.Net Found No Virus Spam-Status: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.371, required 5, AWL -0.02,BAYES_00 -2.60, HTML_10_20 0.25, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00) Precedence: list Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jan 2005 20:35:15.0534 (UTC) FILETIME=[64E9FEE0:01C4F4F8] Amber which is the one that came up positive, she was tested twice before and she was negative, so it must have been dormant or hidding somewhere. Faye Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Unless the parents are positive but they were only tested when the virus was hiding in the bone marrow or elsewhere. From: Cherie A Gabbert Reply-To: felvtalk@vlists.net To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: Re: FeLV Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 10:42:27 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from vlists.net ([208.186.168.62]) by mc11-f25.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6824); Fri, 7 Jan 2005 10:49:30 -0800 Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j07InAR01459for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 12:49:20 -0600 Received: by vps.vlists.net (TLB v0.11a (1.26 tibbs 1998/09/22 04:41:41)); Fri, 07 Jan 2005 12:44:38 -0600 (CST) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j07IiCX29331for felvtalk-utils; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 12:44:12 -0600 Received: from web81410.mail.yahoo.com (web81410.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.37.99])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j07IhbX29056for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 12:43:47 -0600 Received: from [68.79.48.55] by web81410.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 10:42:27 PST X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jEzPkhsBG20FFiEe3uworWQ Virus-Information: Virus Scanned By VLists.Net For Your Protection. Virus-Status: VLists.Net Found No Virus Spam-Status: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.46, required 5,autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.12, BAYES_00 -2.60, HTML_30_40 0.02,HTML_MESSAGE 0.00) Precedence: list Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jan 2005 18:49:36.0007 (UTC) FILETIME=[A242F170:01C4F4E9] I have racked my brain...I can not think of anywhere, unless one of my cats carries it. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:In a message dated 1/7/2005 11:17:55 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Everyone has beed tested recently, my concern is that it happened so fast and so consuming. If everyone has been tested recently..and ALL were negative..then no one is sheding the virus...if his parents were 100% negative..I see absolutly no way he came into contact with the virus!!! UNLESS he got outside? did he mabey escape? even just onceIf all th cats were tested recently...and they were all negative..then I would call for an autopsy..this vet may have just jumped to conclusions based on..I dunno what...but with what you first said..about her deciding Snowball had FeLV based on her platelet and white blood cell count..and now that all your other kitties are 100% negativethere is NO WAY he was positive!!! UNLESS he did come into contact with another cat at somepoint...think..think ...think... Lisa and fur-brats Akira--FeLV miracle baby www.geocities.com/anzajaguar Indy-- Truley Indian Jones as a cat..FEARLESS Lance- Mini wire haired dashchund Bow-Tie- 2yr old (sss he doesnt know he is 15 :) ) jack russel cross Bennie Bird-- Vampire cockatiel Anza-- sexist Senegal parrot..deffinantly a ladies bird :)
Re: FeLV
A lot of people do that successfully. I am just not confident in my ability to balance the stuff right. Knowing my luck, I'd kill them. LOL From: Cherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@vlists.net To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: Re: FeLV Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 12:35:48 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from vlists.net ([208.186.168.62]) by mc5-f35.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Fri, 7 Jan 2005 12:36:16 -0800 Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j07KaGk01444for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 14:36:16 -0600 Received: by vps.vlists.net (TLB v0.11a (1.26 tibbs 1998/09/22 04:41:41)); Fri, 07 Jan 2005 14:36:13 -0600 (CST) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j07KaCu00727for felvtalk-utils; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 14:36:12 -0600 Received: from web81404.mail.yahoo.com (web81404.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.37.93])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j07KZuX32537for felvtalk@vlists.net; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 14:35:56 -0600 Received: from [68.79.48.55] by web81404.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 12:35:48 PST X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jHdDSN1gQXGdoF/Oa4Ykssy/b3dlz7wfSc= Virus-Information: Virus Scanned By VLists.Net For Your Protection. Virus-Status: VLists.Net Found No Virus Spam-Status: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.369, required 5, AWL -0.02,BAYES_00 -2.60, HTML_10_20 0.25, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00) Precedence: list Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jan 2005 20:36:16.0167 (UTC) FILETIME=[890DDB70:01C4F4F8] I was tossing around the idea to home cook all my cats food for them, and see if that may help. Faye Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Apparently, there are more factors than simply exposure to the illness. Most of these factors we probably have not figured out yet. Some of them may be genetic. Those we cannot control. I do recommend, as have many on this list, feeding a super premium food like Eagle Pack, Innova, Wellness, Newman's Own, Solid Gold, etc. I fed Wellness until 4 months ago when I changed to Eagle Pack. Our cats do not need to have to deal with poor quality food with ingredients less than perfect. From: Cherie A Gabbert Reply-To: felvtalk@vlists.net To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: Re: FeLV Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 12:19:31 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from vlists.net ([208.186.168.62]) by mc5-f6.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Fri, 7 Jan 2005 12:20:00 -0800 Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j07KJxg16957for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 14:19:59 -0600 Received: by vps.vlists.net (TLB v0.11a (1.26 tibbs 1998/09/22 04:41:41)); Fri, 07 Jan 2005 14:19:58 -0600 (CST) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j07KJwM16840for felvtalk-utils; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 14:19:58 -0600 Received: from web81407.mail.yahoo.com (web81407.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.37.96])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j07KJhX16794for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 14:19:43 -0600 Received: from [68.79.48.55] by web81407.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 12:19:31 PST X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jG1oSSMOBTWaCJnH4T3aul1wHaIa7bB6No= Virus-Information: Virus Scanned By VLists.Net For Your Protection. Virus-Status: VLists.Net Found No Virus Spam-Status: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.373, required 5, AWL -0.02,BAYES_00 -2.60, HTML_10_20 0.25, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00) Precedence: list Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jan 2005 20:20:00.0121 (UTC) FILETIME=[43490E90:01C4F4F6] Faye, That is wonderful to hear, because I did get news that I do have 1 infected cat, but all have been vaccinated, Amber is so special and sweet I can not believe it, but so far that is the only one, I am going to keep getting my cats tested. Amber did come from a shelter and was very sickly 1 year ago, but with love and my fattening her up she is 100%. So what appears to have happened is before we got Snowball vaccinated he must have had major contact with Amber and it had a very bad affect on himso mind you know I have tons more guilt because of that, I wish I would have known. Faye Lewis wrote: I know how it is to be where you are. It may be some comfort to you that my cats were exposed at 4 weeks of age, constantly groomed by, shared food, water and litter boxes with my infected cat for 6 weeks before he was diagnosed. My oldest cat was exposed 8 months to the infected cat. It has now been 2 years since last exposure and to my knowledge are not positive. They will get their next test in a few weeks. They all seem to be healthy. Still praying though. The University of Georgia Vet school says that a cat is considered safe after 30 months following last exposure. My vet is more conservative. He prefers 36 months. However, since none of my cats have tested positive and each cat has had 9 tests, he feels they are not likely to go positive. People in this group have had very little spreading
RE: Simon stopping chemo and does not have long
I am horribly sorry about Simon. You really went to bat for that baby and did all you can. My prayers are with you both. From: MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@vlists.net To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: RE: Simon stopping chemo and does not have long Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 15:55:37 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from vlists.net ([208.186.168.62]) by mc9-f37.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6824); Fri, 7 Jan 2005 13:56:06 -0800 Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j07Lu6b09776for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 15:56:06 -0600 Received: by vps.vlists.net (TLB v0.11a (1.26 tibbs 1998/09/22 04:41:41)); Fri, 07 Jan 2005 15:56:05 -0600 (CST) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j07Lu2k09654for felvtalk-utils; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 15:56:02 -0600 Received: from mail01.mayerbrownrowe.com (mail01.mayerbrown.com [143.58.246.228])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j07LtrX09631for felvtalk@vlists.net; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 15:55:53 -0600 Received: from CHI-EXBH02.americas.global-legal.com ([143.58.241.95])by mail01.mayerbrownrowe.com (Switch-3.1.4/Switch-3.1.0) with ESMTP id j07LsEi0002548for felvtalk@vlists.net; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 15:54:14 -0600 Received: from CHI-EXCLMB02.americas.global-legal.com ([143.58.241.72]) by CHI-EXBH02.americas.global-legal.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Fri, 7 Jan 2005 15:55:37 -0600 X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jGOz7WsZSULybz3fM4TqUXR X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Simon stopping chemo and does not have long Thread-Index: AcT0+gdqn74We/gOR4K5V01K2wGcIAACK8Sg X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jan 2005 21:55:37.0276 (UTC) FILETIME=[9EE56FC0:01C4F503] Virus-Information: Virus Scanned By VLists.Net For Your Protection. Virus-Status: VLists.Net Found No Virus Spam-Status: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.357, required 5, AWL -0.10,BAYES_00 -2.60, HTML_10_20 0.25, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00,HTML_TEXT_AFTER_BODY 0.06, HTML_TEXT_AFTER_HTML 0.03) Precedence: list Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Michelle You and Simon have been through so much together, I am so, so sorry that he has become so ill again. It is so sad for him that he is so unwell, and so devastating for you. I know you will know if and when it is time to let him go. And I wish you all the strength you need at this very difficult time. Thinking of you and Simon, and praying he gets relief and can feel comfortable for however long he has left. Much love to you and dear Simon, Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 2:46 PM To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: Simon stopping chemo and does not have long I brought Simon in for the Adriamycin this morning, his 5th chemo treatment which he had to skip 3 days ago because his WBC was too low to get it. His WBC was back up towards normal, but his PCV had dropped to 15 and, more importantly, his bilirubin (liver values) were back up to 9. Normal is under .8 (that's .8, not 8-- less than one). On Tuesday he was at 2.5 and had been 1.3 the week before, so it has skyrocketed. He feels very sick and will not eat but I am syringing. The oncologist said he could not give a full dose of Adriamycin or even a half dose without probably killing Simon, because it needs to be processed through the liver and his liver is so extremely compromised. He said he could try a 1/4 dose of it, but that even this would likely make him sicker than he is and necessitate a weekend of IV fluids for any hope of him processing it, and there would only be a miniscule chance that such a low dose would curb such aggressive and advanced cancer. It seems like Simon went into remission, or close to it, after 3 weeks of chemo, and then came out of remission within a week. Apparently FeLV+ cats respond to chemo like other cats, but come out of it with resistant cancers much more quickly. The oncologist was willing to do the 1/4 dose of Adriamycin or another drug I can not remember starting with a C and consisting of 3 letters, but said that he thought there was almost no chance of such low doses helping and that Simon would spend his last days in the hospital hooked up to IV, with strangers, and sicker. He said if Simon were his cat he would take him home and see if he can have a few days of semi-comfort. He gave him a shot of dex and a shot of depo to see if that would shrink the tumors a little and keep him more comfortable. The dex should have set in by now, but is not having any effect. He does not want to be touched much, fought me when I syringed him, and is mostly hiding by himself. I am thinking of separating him from the other cats and keeping him in my bedroom so that he can be by himself without having to hide. He is turning bright yellow. I do not think he has very
RE: My reminder why I don't buy cat toys! :)
I have the same experience with cat beds. The cuter and more expensive the cat bed, the more none of the cats would be caught dead in it. However, just let me put an empty box on the dining table--VOILA--instant cat bed. Or better yet, just let me buy the dog a bed. The jumbo, great dane sized dog bed gets stolen by the smallest cat and the poor dog ends up crammed up in a ball with his fanny hanging off the cute, expensive cat bed. From: MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@vlists.net To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: RE: My reminder why I don't buy cat toys! :) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 11:00:48 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from vlists.net ([208.186.168.62]) by mc9-f17.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6824); Wed, 5 Jan 2005 09:01:02 -0800 Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j05H12x26561for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 11:01:02 -0600 Received: by vps.vlists.net (TLB v0.11a (1.26 tibbs 1998/09/22 04:41:41)); Wed, 05 Jan 2005 11:00:59 -0600 (CST) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j05H0wE26452for felvtalk-utils; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 11:00:58 -0600 Received: from mail01.mayerbrownrowe.com (mail1.mayerbrown.com [143.58.246.228])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j05H0nX26390for felvtalk@vlists.net; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 11:00:49 -0600 Received: from CHI-EXBH01.americas.global-legal.com ([143.58.241.78])by mail01.mayerbrownrowe.com (Switch-3.1.4/Switch-3.1.0) with ESMTP id j05GxWBu022007for felvtalk@vlists.net; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 10:59:32 -0600 Received: from CHI-EXCLMB02.americas.global-legal.com ([143.58.241.72]) by CHI-EXBH01.americas.global-legal.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 5 Jan 2005 11:00:48 -0600 X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jEHPS0iMJ/89qgy4ixuhM9r X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: My reminder why I don't buy cat toys! :) Thread-Index: AcTzO7TWveHD9xxtRempdUjchN6qiQAC3B+Q X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jan 2005 17:00:48.0669 (UTC) FILETIME=[1AD6B4D0:01C4F348] Virus-Information: Virus Scanned By VLists.Net For Your Protection. Virus-Status: VLists.Net Found No Virus Spam-Status: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.473, required 5, AWL 0.01,BAYES_00 -2.60, HTML_30_40 0.02, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00,HTML_TEXT_AFTER_BODY 0.06, HTML_TEXT_AFTER_HTML 0.03) Precedence: list Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] How right you are Jen! I've been putting off buying a fancy toy I saw in Petsmart, because I've a strong feeling that taping one of those metallic swirly flower things that you stick on gift packages on to a Cat Charmer would be far more attractive to them. (A visiting friend did that years ago, and my neg cats completely adored it! It lasted for months and months, too) I guess we should be thrilled there's actually one way in which we can easily---and without guilt!--- save a few $$$. Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jen Meyer Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 9:33 AM To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: OT: My reminder why I don't buy cat toys! :) So I'm at the store this morning when I spotted a small berber fleece mouse in the pet section...now, I've gone off buying many cat toys for reasons I'm sure you all share (an expensive cat toy will be sitting untouched in the middle of the room, but in the meantime, a fight ensues over one of my hair ties)...but I thought, Hey, they've got a toy similar to this one that I know at least a *few* of them will play with! So I went for it...Well, I get home, get the toy out of the package and toss it in front of one of the boys anticipating joy and rapture...nothing...I finally had to roll it in catnip just to get one of them moderately interested in it! In the meantime, I open a bottle of milk and toss the ring on the floor (knowing in the back of my mind what would happen, but not willing to admit it just yet)...chaos ensues as Sleepypants flits it across the room and 6 cats give chase! I try not to let on that I'm just the tiniest bit bitter...but just to add insult to injury, Boots (who never plays with cat toys) pulls out the *old* berber mouse and starts playing with it right in front of me! Okay, okay...I get the point already! Just thought I'd share my lesson from the cats this morning...You don't need to spend money to have a good time! :) Jen But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world... To you, I shall be unique in all the world... You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... -Antoine de Saint Exupery This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information
RE: OT - Smoky's bladder
I have prayed for you and Smoky. I hope it is something easily treated. From: Barb Moermond [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@vlists.net To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: OT - Smoky's bladder Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 09:55:08 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from vlists.net ([208.186.168.62]) by mc9-f3.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6824); Tue, 4 Jan 2005 09:55:41 -0800 Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j04Htfg16931for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 11:55:41 -0600 Received: by vps.vlists.net (TLB v0.11a (1.26 tibbs 1998/09/22 04:41:41)); Tue, 04 Jan 2005 11:55:40 -0600 (CST) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j04Htde16816for felvtalk-utils; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 11:55:39 -0600 Received: from web41202.mail.yahoo.com (web41202.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.35])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j04HtOX16697for felvtalk@vlists.net; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 11:55:24 -0600 Received: (qmail 70877 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Jan 2005 17:55:08 - Received: from [165.189.51.130] by web41202.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 09:55:08 PST X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jFqIv+9Q+iVwfRJiUNvLbsH Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=URVR1zvzxHARoyUy7iQBiHa6qx3XdGVt7NVtUp5edQfIlD3mo2U6Rn7kLlj+byncHVnYHCtv5VH2Yk7ihXiPS57N46jVc38AEHELZ6vgMX43gk5WDWAuNU8mNZkXiS4maqGabYmkLueSIbsyWnW1bB4X5N+LQHoiAYus5tEbPxk= ; Virus-Information: Virus Scanned By VLists.Net For Your Protection. Virus-Status: VLists.Net Found No Virus Spam-Status: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.373, required 5, AWL -0.02,BAYES_00 -2.60, HTML_10_20 0.25, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00) Precedence: list Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jan 2005 17:55:41.0113 (UTC) FILETIME=[9AE00A90:01C4F286] Well, I'd thought Smoky was just p.o.'d at me when he piddled on the bed yesterday morning. He's been weird the last couple of days and I found fresh blood on his peeper this morning. I'd found a very bloody clump in the box yesterday, but I assumed it was fecal matter because that's what his chronic problem has been. I took the boys in this morning (Bandit was along for moral support) and I spoke to the vet once and she said that there was so much blood in the sterile sample they took that it was coagulating. oof. I'm waiting for her to call back with some test results on his blood and urine and I'm so worried about my big guy. Please send your magic vibes his way and my wallet's way, the bill is already at $350 I can cover this, but not much more - If I could afford it, nothing would be an issue, I have no problem spending the $$ on their care. it's just another worry - esp at this time of year... but hopefully we've caught this early, the piddle on the bed yesterday was not discolored at all... pray for him!! Thanks folks! Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile. - Anonymous - Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! Get yours free!
RE: Tai has gone to the bridge
My prayers are with you and Tai. She was blessed to have you to take care her. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@vlists.net To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: Tai has gone to the bridge Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 22:27:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from vlists.net ([208.186.168.62]) by mc6-f6.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sun, 2 Jan 2005 19:29:10 -0800 Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j033SBn21001for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 21:28:11 -0600 Received: by vps.vlists.net (TLB v0.11a (1.26 tibbs 1998/09/22 04:41:41)); Sun, 02 Jan 2005 21:28:06 -0600 (CST) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j033S5720814for felvtalk-utils; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 21:28:05 -0600 Received: from mxsf02.cluster1.charter.net (mxsf02.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.202])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j033Rlq20153for felvtalk@vlists.net; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 21:27:47 -0600 Received: from mxip10.cluster1.charter.net (mxip10a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.140])by mxsf02.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j033RYEn015548for felvtalk@vlists.net; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 22:27:34 -0500 Received: from fep02.charter.net (HELO 209.225.8.224) (209.225.8.82) by mxip10.cluster1.charter.net with SMTP; 02 Jan 2005 22:27:34 -0500 X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jH+YHVTuzkhoxHiMU4VVwbe X-Ironport-AV: i=3.88,96,1102309200;d=scan'208; a=519078431:sNHT26933770 X-Mailer: Openwave WebEngine, version 2.8.12 (webedge20-101-197-20030912) Virus-Information: Virus Scanned By VLists.Net For Your Protection. Virus-Status: VLists.Net Found No Virus Spam-Status: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-1.215, required 5, AWL 0.13,BAYES_00 -2.60, NO_REAL_NAME 0.01, RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO 1.25) Precedence: list Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jan 2005 03:29:10.0814 (UTC) FILETIME=[63D43BE0:01C4F144] Please all say a goodnight prayer to Tai Tai she has gone to the rainbow bridge. She was the 8month old that was abandoned at my vet hospital after being found under a porch. I had her such a short while yet I miss her prescence so much. She was sick the whole time I had her which makes it so hard to know I did right by her, but I know I did what was best, it just takes time to accept that. I was with her while she fell asleep so that brings some comfort. She fought sooo hard her PCV was around 6 and she weighed only 3.5lbs. Its so sad having to make the decision for them when they are fighting. She sat upright today and was mewing, she even raised her butt the tiniest bit for a pat but also Tonight her breathing was more labored than ever and after getting fluids (which she hated) she started open mouth breathing and gasping, I rushed her to my clinic where she only did well while on oxygen. I was grooming her and cleaning off her fur while talking to the doctor abo! ut what to do and her skin actually came off, I know its horrid to talk about but its late right know and I'm alone and I know that all of you understand. The doctor said it sloughed because of lack of blood supply, Tai didn't even flinch, which meant it was dead tissue. She also said that when they are as sick as Tai they will have lucid moments when the end is getting nearer, almost appear more loving. It was then we decided it was time because if that was what it did to her skin what did her organs look like, and it was an open wound that wasn't even bleeding. It just makes me stunned at what a fighter she was yet hurt that I took that fight away no matter how much I feel it was the right descision and despite having had to make it before I never feels quite ok even if it is the right thing to do. I'm sleeping with all my other fur kids tonight, I need all the purring I can get, and maybe they and I will talk about how much we admired and loved Tai Tai. Thank you all for listening (reading) and for your being there to get this off my chest, this is a very supportive group. Sincerely, Kristi, Homer, Val, Gretchen, Matilda, Nala ( they appreciate your support too)
Re: Immune support remedies
Thank you, that is good to know. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@vlists.net To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: Re: Immune support remedies Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 16:55:30 EST MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from vlists.net ([208.186.168.62]) by mc6-f31.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Fri, 31 Dec 2004 13:57:03 -0800 Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id iBVLu2426194for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 31 Dec 2004 15:56:02 -0600 Received: by vps.vlists.net (TLB v0.11a (1.26 tibbs 1998/09/22 04:41:41)); Fri, 31 Dec 2004 15:56:02 -0600 (CST) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iBVLu1126017for felvtalk-utils; Fri, 31 Dec 2004 15:56:01 -0600 Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id iBVLtvq26004for felvtalk@vlists.net; Fri, 31 Dec 2004 15:55:57 -0600 Received: from [EMAIL PROTECTED] imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id x.a9.69ebb3b5 (4552) for felvtalk@vlists.net; Fri, 31 Dec 2004 16:55:30 -0500 (EST) X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jFsBA9suy0UHgnu46MkxXYq X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 46 Virus-Information: Virus Scanned By VLists.Net For Your Protection. Virus-Status: VLists.Net Found No Virus Spam-Status: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-1.311, required 5, AWL -0.91,BAYES_05 -0.41, NO_REAL_NAME 0.01) Precedence: list Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Dec 2004 21:57:03.0616 (UTC) FILETIME=[A977A000:01C4EF83] No, but echinacea is not supposed to be given long-term. I think you're supposed to do something like 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off or something like that. Otherwise the body produces fewer white blood cells, maybe because it gets used to it, I don't know. Michelle
Immune support remedies
Have any of you used any of the following products? If so, did you find them effective? Are there any other similar type products that you recommend? D'Arcy Herbs For Pets Petsiac Animals' Apawthecary Echinacea/Goldenseal Blend Faye
RE: Legolas has gone to Valinor (The Bridge) - CLS
Kathy, I am so moved by your words. What a beautiful tribute to Legolas. I never knew him and yet I now miss him. God speed Legolas. To the Bridge or Valinor or anyplace that is good enough to deserve you. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@vlists.net To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: Legolas has gone to Valinor (The Bridge) - CLS Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 14:17:47 EST MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from vlists.net ([208.186.168.62]) by mc9-f11.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6824); Wed, 29 Dec 2004 11:18:34 -0800 Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id iBTJIWP05620for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 29 Dec 2004 13:18:32 -0600 Received: by vps.vlists.net (TLB v0.11a (1.26 tibbs 1998/09/22 04:41:41)); Wed, 29 Dec 2004 13:18:30 -0600 (CST) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iBTJIRa05434for felvtalk-utils; Wed, 29 Dec 2004 13:18:27 -0600 Received: from imo-m28.mx.aol.com (imo-m28.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.9])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id iBTJIGq05412for felvtalk@vlists.net; Wed, 29 Dec 2004 13:18:16 -0600 Received: from [EMAIL PROTECTED] imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id x.df.9cdbc90 (3948) for felvtalk@vlists.net; Wed, 29 Dec 2004 14:17:48 -0500 (EST) X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jFMJmT5GGvOeBbRv4qjHrob X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5025 Virus-Information: Virus Scanned By VLists.Net For Your Protection. Virus-Status: VLists.Net Found No Virus Spam-Status: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-1.435, required 5, AWL 0.05,BAYES_00 -2.60, HTML_00_10 1.07, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00,MIME_QP_LONG_LINE 0.04, NO_REAL_NAME 0.01) Precedence: list Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Dec 2004 19:18:34.0723 (UTC) FILETIME=[30E63330:01C4EDDB] Belinda, Please add Legolas to the CLS. Thanks. It's normal to want to do everything humanly possible to save a life, and that's important. Doing everything humanely possible to ease suffering is much more important, and sometimes, when the treatment is worse than the disease, and the disease is beyond any chance of a cure, that means letting go. Knowing when to let go is the most important thing of all. Give them every good day they have coming, but know when that last good day has been spent. ~ K.S. Legolas' last good day was spent over the weekend. Legolas left the Gray Havens for Valinor (the Bridge) Tues. morning. This is long, but I wanted to go back through his history here - especially for the folks who don't know about him. He was a remarkable guy. What happened Tuesday is at the end, for those who want to skip ahead. Legolas came here on June 4, 2003 because he tested positive for FeLV and the ladies who got him off the street couldn't keep him. They had other cats, a small house and rooms with doors that didn't close tightly. They had him for a month and got him neutered and vaccinated. He was believed to have been a grown up kitten from the previous summer - it turned out that he was at least 5 years old, probably 8-10, and possibly much older. He was exceptionally affectionate and the ladies who rescued him said that if they couldn't find a place for him to go he'd have to be put to sleep. Never having been able to live with myself when I know there's a cat under threat of euthanasia that I can help, I quickly agreed to give him a home with my other 3 positive cats. I named him Legolas in the hopes that some elvish qualities would rub off on him - like the whole immortality thing. He settled in within minutes and in about a 1/2 an hour, he'd found the toy stash under the bed. He wasn't eating much other than canned food back then, and I had been having trouble finding something he'd like consistantly, but for the most part, everything was going well - his weight of about 7 1/2 - 8 pounds concerned me (it was a little on the low side for a cat his size). But I still had this nagging feeling that something wasn't quite right but I couldn't put my finger on it. It seemed like there was an inordinant amount of urine in the litter pans, but then I thought that maybe I was mistaken. One of my surviving 3 original FeLV kids (from the pre-FeLV days - there had been 6 - Sam and Slick Willy both died in 2001 from lung cancer caused by FeLV, then Tina died on 3/11/03), Monty, passed away from severe anemia on 7/25/03, then I decided that I wanted to know more about Legolas' health and had some bloodwork done on him. I found out that his blood work showed that he was anemic, had elevated BUN and creatinine levels, and he had a significant heart murmur. His red blood cell count was at about 13 or 17% (the same that Monty's was when he was too weak to stand anymore) yet he would run into the bathroom when I was in there and clear a jump from the floor 3-4 feet in front of me to my shoulder while I was sitting on the toilet. We started him on subQ fluids and some medication, and he seemed to improve. I took him to the internal
Re: Lucky
What are some good/safe/effective ways to boost a cat's immune system? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@vlists.net To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: Re: Lucky Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 14:05:01 EST MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from vlists.net ([208.186.168.62]) by mc3-f24.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6824); Tue, 28 Dec 2004 11:05:40 -0800 Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id iBSJ5Tr01670for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 13:05:29 -0600 Received: by vps.vlists.net (TLB v0.11a (1.26 tibbs 1998/09/22 04:41:41)); Tue, 28 Dec 2004 13:05:28 -0600 (CST) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iBSJ5Sj01585for felvtalk-utils; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 13:05:28 -0600 Received: from imo-m15.mx.aol.com (imo-m15.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.205])by vps.vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id iBSJ5I201525for felvtalk@vlists.net; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 13:05:19 -0600 Received: from [EMAIL PROTECTED] imo-m15.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id x.76.496864d7 (17228) for felvtalk@vlists.net; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 14:05:01 -0500 (EST) X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jEHJ9/+R8J+olxCeZemXXB6 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1200 Virus-Information: Virus Scanned By VLists.Net For Your Protection. Virus-Status: Virus Scanner Found No Virus Spam-Status: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.261, required 5, AWL 0.20,BAYES_00 -2.60, HTML_50_60 0.09, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00,MIME_QP_LONG_LINE 0.04, NO_REAL_NAME 0.01) Precedence: list Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Dec 2004 19:05:40.0155 (UTC) FILETIME=[38CEC0B0:01C4ED10] In a message dated 12/28/2004 1:12:53 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Does anyone else have experience with mammary cancer? Sometimes everything just sucks. Thanks for listening everyone. Love, Julie Oh Julie, I am so sorry to hear about Lucky I dont have any experience with cancer at all (thankfully) But I do wish you and Lucky all the best, and will be praying that pherhaps teh Onocologist might have some other ideas to help. I definantly think boosting her immune system is a must. It cant hurt in this caseplus if you DO decide to do chemo, she will need all the immune system you and her can muster. Lisa and fur-brats Akira--FeLV miracle baby _www.geocities.com/anzajaguar_ (http://www.geocities.com/anzajaguar) Indy-- Truley Indian Jones as a cat..FEARLESS Lance- Mini wire haired dashchund Bow-Tie- 2yr old (sss he doesnt know he is 15 :) ) jack russel cross Bennie Bird-- Vampire cockatiel Anza-- sexist Senegal parrot..deffinantly a ladies bird :)
Re: Sally's Scarlett Did Something Get Lost In Translation?
I laughed at that as well. Two of my cats, collectively called the cheeses because one is Simba who is the official Big Cheese and Magellan the wannabee, aka the little cheese, both immediately bathe after being petted. Vain, vain, vain. Magellan also had to be shaved when treated at the vet and he became seriously depressed over it. You just don't dirty up the furry people's coat with nasty human hands (even if just washed). You definitely don't cut it! LOL From: tamara stickler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@vlists.net To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: Re: Sally's Scarlett Did Something Get Lost In Translation? Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 12:20:19 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from vlists.net ([208.186.168.62]) by mc3-f41.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6824); Tue, 28 Dec 2004 12:20:39 -0800 Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id iBSKKYI03733for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 14:20:34 -0600 Received: by vps.vlists.net (TLB v0.11a (1.26 tibbs 1998/09/22 04:41:41)); Tue, 28 Dec 2004 14:20:33 -0600 (CST) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iBSKKX403551for felvtalk-utils; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 14:20:33 -0600 Received: from web11410.mail.yahoo.com (web11410.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.221])by vps.vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id iBSKKR203538for felvtalk@vlists.net; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 14:20:27 -0600 Received: (qmail 14614 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Dec 2004 20:20:19 - Received: from [141.157.91.222] by web11410.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 12:20:19 PST X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jG1BtFOzSImyAJhuIviEMOx Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=Ad1lRpJzF28QmjX8ymjtFyfAmtZF7cg0SGsVtZU3C1PN4iI1GEc3HQoihzTUtQQ48flvCh3GDnkzmReEbEDPoNzOHNddMO/e88sR82Y0vIgKx+AuR7+cBvgsQm04SWDZ3Ow5jtmIaRJsFtT946AeJmHygn0TABPu9RH+E4WqEms= ; Virus-Information: Virus Scanned By VLists.Net For Your Protection. Virus-Status: Virus Scanner Found No Virus Spam-Status: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.389, required 5, AWL -0.04,BAYES_00 -2.60, HTML_10_20 0.25, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00) Precedence: list Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Dec 2004 20:20:39.0561 (UTC) FILETIME=[B2A99F90:01C4ED1A] Sally, I laughed out loud! when I read your words: I asked her who she was angry with and she said it was with the vet. I was a bit surprised to say the least and asked her if she realized he had saved her life. She said yes, she was aware of that, but he had shaved off her fur! I had to laugh as that is SO like Scarlett to be so illogical about something like that. She did come out of hiding and begin to eat within a day or two after that, but would turn her shaven side away. She is one vain kitty. My Quintapus, is a black white medium haired stray who takes GREAT pride in showing off his white underbellybut don't touch!.., well he goes to the cardiologist for sonograms for his heart once a year...and they never shaved him, but when he went to determine the extent of his CRF the other doctor, the internest... did.BOY WAS HE TICKED WHEN HE CAME BACK OUTand he kept trying to hide his nakedness, slinking low to the ground...etc.., esp. from my other cat Coebeio (a younger female)! Now I'm not a communicator, but I was SURE it had to be that he was upset that they had shaved himits so funny to see that he isn't the only one to get bent out of shape about that! Thanks for sharing the story! Vainity thy name is cat! T - Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! Try it today!
Re: Check out CatsafratsRx - Your Online Feline Pharmacy
1-800-Jeffers or jefferspetsupply.com has reasonable prices and very quick shipping. They carry many, many vet supplies. Their equine catalog carries the syringes and things (all sizes) I am not sure if it is in their dog and cat catalog. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Check out CatsafratsRx - Your Online Feline Pharmacy Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 19:52:16 EST MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from vps.vlists.net ([208.186.168.62]) by mc11-f8.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6824); Sun, 19 Dec 2004 16:52:50 -0800 Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED])by vps.vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id iBK0qnq00693for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sun, 19 Dec 2004 18:52:49 -0600 Received: by vps.vlists.net (TLB v0.11a (1.26 tibbs 1998/09/22 04:41:41)); Sun, 19 Dec 2004 18:52:49 -0600 (CST) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED])by vps.vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iBK0qmd00548for felvtalk-utils; Sun, 19 Dec 2004 18:52:48 -0600 Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6])by vps.vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id iBK0qcs00528for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sun, 19 Dec 2004 18:52:38 -0600 Received: from [EMAIL PROTECTED] imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id x.fa.8d1780d (2168) for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sun, 19 Dec 2004 19:52:16 -0500 (EST) X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jHGQBeLVY/CMCdAVeoPvrbh X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5114 Virus-Information: Virus Scanned By VLists.Net For Your Protection. Virus-Status: Virus Scanner Found No Virus Spam-Status: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.456, required 5, AWL 0.01,BAYES_00 -2.60, HTML_50_60 0.09, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00,MIME_QP_LONG_LINE 0.04, NO_REAL_NAME 0.01) Precedence: list Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Dec 2004 00:52:50.0507 (UTC) FILETIME=[3AF279B0:01C4E62E] I just wanted to suggest, if anyone needs supplies in bulk, try to find somewhere locally to avoid shipping charges. I have had several cats that required large amounts of LRS (lactated ringers for subq fluid therapy). My vet charges $30 per bag and $15 for IV admin set. I found a place locally where I can buy the LRS for $2.25/bag and the admin sets at $2.00 each. I buy by the case, but you can just buy 1 bag if that's all you need (same price). It took me awhile, and I spent big bucks in the interim, to find this place, but it was worth the search. A vet tech, who knows other rescuers, told me about them. My vet writes me a script whenever I need it. Check your local yellow pages under Veterinary Supplies. (Hospital Supplies and Pharmacies were a waste of time for the supplies we needed.) Hope this helps, Jo ___ In a message dated 12/18/2004 5:38:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: excellent idea!!! tenhousecats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: that's too bad. ask your vet, then, if they'll match the prices - Original Message - From: catatonya To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2004 12:30 PM Subject: Re: Check out CatsafratsRx - Your Online Feline Pharmacy My vets have always refused to approve me from ordering from places like that. :(
Re: IBD, diet and medications
There is an IBD for cats group on Yahoo that looks informative. From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: IBD, diet and medications Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 10:45:29 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from vps.vlists.net ([208.186.168.62]) by mc6-f16.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sat, 18 Dec 2004 10:56:26 -0800 Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED])by vps.vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id iBIItRG27687for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sat, 18 Dec 2004 12:55:27 -0600 Received: by vps.vlists.net (TLB v0.11a (1.26 tibbs 1998/09/22 04:41:41)); Sat, 18 Dec 2004 12:55:23 -0600 (CST) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED])by vps.vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iBIItMr27441for felvtalk-utils; Sat, 18 Dec 2004 12:55:22 -0600 Received: from out007.verizon.net (out007pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.107])by vps.vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id iBIIjvs22180for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sat, 18 Dec 2004 12:45:57 -0600 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([4.35.42.210]) by out007.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id [EMAIL PROTECTED] for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sat, 18 Dec 2004 12:45:35 -0600 X-Message-Info: 6sSXyD95QpV39xB5Ceh9IqfR6jsZRzLa User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.1) Gecko/20040707 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out007.verizon.net from [4.35.42.210] at Sat, 18 Dec 2004 12:45:31 -0600 Virus-Information: Virus Scanned By VLists.Net For Your Protection. Virus-Status: Virus Scanner Found No Virus Spam-Status: not spam, SpamAssassin (timed out) Precedence: list Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Dec 2004 18:56:26.0757 (UTC) FILETIME=[46D36B50:01C4E533] Thanks Karen for sharing your IBD experiences with Gracie, (I have a Gracie too!). I had heard about the food allergy theory, and I've put Gypsy and the rest of the family on dry Natural Balance venison. I'd made the mistake of giving her all sorts of different foods, especially since she began to lose so much weight. The only thing we could get her to eat for a while was chicken liver. Thank you for the tip about lamb baby food. The shot of methylprednisolone does seem to be helping her, at least she's acting like she feels a little better. Could you tell me more about the IVD wet food? What does IVD stand for? Is IVD the food that has the protein already broken down to make digestion easier? Where do you get it? Who makes it? Does Gracie like it? Gypsy hasn't been exposed to lamb, duck or rabbit, so I do have other options as far as food. I'm looking for a source for fresh rabbit, I'm betting she'll like that. I have resolved to feed her nothing but alternative food, no more chicken, beef or salmon. I had heard that Omega 3, 6 and 9 are good for IBD and ordered some salmon oil that should arrive any day. Now I'm wondering if I should give it to her. I did have her on acidophilus, prozyme and also tried acetylator which has acidophilous in it. Nothing has seemed to help by itself, but maybe in conjunction with the shots she'll do better. Does the B12 have to be given in a shot? Could I add it to her food instead? I heard about Budesonide from my compound pharmacy and looked it up on the web. It said that it only came in inhalant forms, I'm glad to hear that I can have it compounded into a liquid just in case the methylpred doesn't do the trick. How is Gracie doing on the new med? With all I'm being forced to learn about medical care for my angels, I sometimes I feel like I should just go back to school and become a vet! Nina Karen Olio wrote: Hi Nina, I hope that Gypsy is starting to feel better. We have a cat Gracie who has had severe IBD for several years. We have tried to look at all the things that might help her. I don't know if you have changed Gypsy's diet, but many vets think IBD is caused/made worse by food allergies. The food that we have had recommended is IVD which is a wet food, it has protiens that they are less likely to be allergic to (white fish, venision, or duck) or z/d ultra, a hard food that you have to get through a vet, that our guys love. I have also read that some number of IBD cats have a vitamin B12 difficency and require a series of B12 shots. They did not help Gracie, but I know of other cats that they have made a big difference for. We have just changed Gracie's meds from pred to a new drug that is being used for felineIBD called Budesonide. It works like pred, but is specific for the GI track. It can be compounded into a flavored liguid (use lamb flavor to avoid protiens that she might be allergic to). If we get into trouble trying to get some food into Gracie our vet suggested that we use the lamb baby food, which seems to work well for her. Lastly we have just started
RE: Prednisone vs dexamethasone for IBD / need advise
I have had a time with my cats and tapeworms this year. The fleas have been controlled by Advantage and the cats were repeatedly dewormed with Droncit. Eventually, the problem did end. However, during the 3 months of dealing with this problem, they developed severe diarrhea. Not IBD (although, I was beginning to suspect it was involved). I found that kefir really, really helped with the diarrhea. It might even be helpful with IBD. The only catch is that some cats don't like it. You can buy kefir at SitNstay.com. 6 of my 9 cats love the stuff and act like it is ice cream. Those were the cats that would form better stools after eating it. It is a good way of getting beneficial bacteria into the guts of your cats. The bacteria in kefir is different from yogurt and some people believe better. This might not help you but it is inexpensive since I had such great results with it, I thought it worth suggesting. From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Prednisone vs dexamethasone for IBD / need advise Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 09:09:55 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from vps.vlists.net ([208.186.168.62]) by mc5-f17.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6824); Wed, 15 Dec 2004 09:15:51 -0800 Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED])by vps.vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id iBFHEoi09490for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 11:14:50 -0600 Received: by vps.vlists.net (TLB v0.11a (1.26 tibbs 1998/09/22 04:41:41)); Wed, 15 Dec 2004 11:14:47 -0600 (CST) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED])by vps.vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iBFHEkZ09391for felvtalk-utils; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 11:14:46 -0600 Received: from out008.verizon.net (out008pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.108])by delete-12-30-vps.vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id iBFHCRb04331for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 11:12:27 -0600 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([4.35.42.210]) by out008.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id [EMAIL PROTECTED] for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 11:12:05 -0600 X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jHBP0DIwkh+cheZAHyDzQn2 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.1) Gecko/20040707 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out008.verizon.net from [4.35.42.210] at Wed, 15 Dec 2004 11:12:04 -0600 Virus-Information: Virus Scanned By VLists.Net For Your Protection. Virus-Status: Virus Scanner Found No Virus Spam-Status: not spam,SpamAssassin (Disabled due to 80 consecutive timeouts) Precedence: list Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Dec 2004 17:15:51.0187 (UTC) FILETIME=[BA1B4630:01C4E2C9] Hello Everyone, I've posted before about my feral turned house cat Gypsy. We suspect she has Inflammatory Bowel Disease, (fecal tests showed no parasites or Giardia). The only vet that she's seen is not my favorite. He's kind of old school and is pretty annoyed at me for being so involved in her treatment. Because Gypsy can't be pilled, or given shots, I have to have something compounded into a liquid to mix in her food. When I asked my vet which tasted better, Prednisone or Dexamethasone, he thought Dex might. When I called my compound pharmacy, they told me to go with the Pred instead. I guess I should have looked up dosage before I had my vet write the script for Pred, because Dex is recommended at .22 mg/kg/day initially and Pred at 2.2 mg/kg/day. It seems to me that getting a smaller dose of something down her might be easier than the larger dose, even if it tastes worse. I hate having to call the vet back and beg him to change his script. Do you think I should order the Pred and cross my fingers that she'll eat it? The poor little thing has been battling chronic diarrhea for so long, I just want to get her some relief before she dies from malnutrition. Thanks, Nina
Immune System Formula from B-Naturals
Have any of you tried the Immune System Formula for cats from B-Naturals.com? B-naturals is very well respected by many people who feed a raw diet to their dogs. I have never used them. Has anyone tried their immune boosting formula for secondary infections?
Re: A Christmas present for our list! :-)
This is beyond wonderful From: Julie Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: A Christmas present for our list! :-) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 06:26:41 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from vps.vlists.net ([208.186.168.62]) by mc1-f1.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Tue, 14 Dec 2004 06:27:21 -0800 Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED])by vps.vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id iBEERKA20294for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 08:27:20 -0600 Received: by vps.vlists.net (TLB v0.11a (1.26 tibbs 1998/09/22 04:41:41)); Tue, 14 Dec 2004 08:27:18 -0600 (CST) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED])by vps.vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iBEERIh20180for felvtalk-utils; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 08:27:18 -0600 Received: from web51107.mail.yahoo.com (web51107.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.149])by delete-12-30-vps.vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id iBEEQtb19918for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 08:26:55 -0600 Received: (qmail 97271 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Dec 2004 14:26:41 - Received: from [137.99.80.153] by web51107.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 06:26:41 PST X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jEv+esxoey0T2czCE0+vB+wKNTAdlxUnxc= Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=oIDq0Z1VTrjJw5uXXDMaW6dl9qVRDOuAA7tfL3jPauFBUijq/d89A+IKlrMb4QufttbSabuFTw/unxeoWs5lemtkNYFM4h/EMiC6ukV6xKBLImXQraoZvJIgF99g7M6X5S4N1Tacn9QIxFsSEdw5ucRWDdF9gn0MWMmJzfIL86U= ; Virus-Information: Virus Scanned By VLists.Net For Your Protection. Virus-Status: Virus Scanner Found No Virus Spam-Status: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.432, required 5,autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.08, BAYES_00 -2.60, HTML_50_60 0.09,HTML_MESSAGE 0.00) Precedence: list Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Dec 2004 14:27:21.0448 (UTC) FILETIME=[05D1C680:01C4E1E9] How wonderful, Anne! Indeed we do welcome Dr. Little! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Dear friends, It is with great honor and pleasure to announce that we have a wonderful feline veterinarian who has offered to help with questions of the medical sort for our list. Dr. Susan Little is a specialist in feline veterinary practice, a much published author, a respected lecturer, a board member of the Winn Feline Foundation, and a champion for feral and stray cats. Dr. Susan, as she is affectionately known on another list, is dedicated, very caring, patient and so generous with her time. I have gotten to know of her on another list where she also offers her expertise on medical subjects. This list has taught me a lot and most of it is due to Dr. Susan's help with questions. She often travels for lecturing and has two very busy practices so she wanted us all to know that she will not always be able to answer questions right away. I know she will get back to you, from experience with her kindness and caring. Since it would be difficult for her to read all of the posts on our high volume list, she and James and I decided it would work best if someone had a question, then they could post it to the list, and I will forward the question to her and also forward her reply back to the list. It would help me if you could specify that you have a question for Dr. Little in your subject line, so I will be sure to read and forward those posts first. Here are some of Dr. Little's credentials (taken from her website) and a link to her website: (I hope you can read the grey print on white, I can't seem to change the color of the text for easier reading). By the way, her website is very nice. I love her cats! :-) Dr. Little received her BSc from Dalhousie University, Nova Scotia, Canada and her DVM from the Ontario Veterinary College, University of Guelph, Ontario, Canada. She has been in feline practice for over 10 years and achieved specialty board certification in 1997. She is now part owner of two feline specialty practices in Ottawa, Canada. Her main areas of interest are cattery medicine, feline reproduction and management of stray and feral cat populations. Dr. Little bred and exhibited pedigreed cats in Canada and the United States for 15 years. She currently sits on the Health Committee of the Cat Fanciers' Association, the world's largest pedigreed cat registry, and sits on the board of the Winn Feline Foundation . She also works with a group of volunteers on a trap/test/vaccinate/release program for feral cats in the Ottawa area. She writes and lectures extensively on pedigreed cat health issues for the public as well as for veterinarians and breeders. http://catvet.homestead.com Here is pasted from her original reply to my email: And you are always welcome to forward specific posts to me privately if I can help. I travel a lot, so I hesitate to promise that I'd have a regular presence, but I will do what I can. Dr. Susan Chapter Author, A Home Veterinary Guide, in:
Re: Sources of information
Hi, Thank you for your offer of information! My email is [EMAIL PROTECTED] Faye From: Ong Meo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Sources of information Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 05:03:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from vps.vlists.net ([208.186.168.62]) by mc5-f10.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6824); Sat, 11 Dec 2004 02:05:19 -0800 Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED])by vps.vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id iBBA4JN20929for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 04:04:19 -0600 Received: by vps.vlists.net (TLB v0.11a (1.26 tibbs 1998/09/22 04:41:41)); Sat, 11 Dec 2004 04:04:18 -0600 (CST) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED])by vps.vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iBBA4Io20837for felvtalk-utils; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 04:04:18 -0600 Received: from pop-a065d14.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065d14.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.252])by delete-12-30-vps.vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id iBBA4Ab20823for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 04:04:10 -0600 Received: from pool-141-153-203-101.mad.east.verizon.net ([141.153.203.101] helo=jazzing)by pop-a065d14.pas.sa.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1)id 1Cd46k-0007S5-00for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 02:04:10 -0800 X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jFZXVHPhyELSL1k9kG2BM6F References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Virus-Information: Virus Scanned By VLists.Net For Your Protection. Virus-Status: Virus Scanner Found No Virus Spam-Status: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.599, required 5,autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.00, BAYES_00 -2.60) Precedence: list Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Dec 2004 10:05:20.0069 (UTC) FILETIME=[EBE87750:01C4DF68] - Original Message - From: Faye Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 5:28 PM Subject: Sources of information Does anyone have any recommendations for up to date information on Feline Leukemia. I don't have access to a vet school library and am frustrated by the lack of new information on this dreadful business. Where are all of you getting your better information? I don't think Hotmail allows attachments. If you email me privately with an email address that allows attachments, I'll be happy to send you some information as well as sources you can research yourself. Ong
