Re: [Finale] Re: Accidentals - order and spacing; bug?
Hi Mark, Thanks for your thorough reply. I see what I would describe as a warped consistency in what you've described, but understanding this behavior, at least as it applies to my given examples, doesn't help with the extra work created. Did you recreate the examples I originally offered? In some instances one nudge plops an accidental directly on top of another. And the anchoring nudge, as you call it, doesn't undo anything. You have to edit your way out of the problem. If I recall correctly you're in an older windows version of Finale. I'm in 2005 for Mac. Maybe things aren't the same in the windows version. Thanks, Don Hart on 7/19/05 8:36 PM, Mark D Lew at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: .The reason that this is more than just an amusing Finale party trick is because it explains the otherwise confusing behavior you see when you nudge accidentals in a chord. When Finale is faced with several accidentals on the same entry (ie, chord), it uses its algorithms to try its best to space them out properly. But when it calculates, it only considers accidentals which have a zero offset value. Any accidental with a non-zero value will be ignored. That means if you've got a chord with four accidentals, and you nudge or drag one of them to give it a non-zero value, Finale will then place the other three accidentals as if they were the only ones present, which might cause them to rearrange themselves. Similarly, if you've got a chord with two accidentals and you nudge or drag the nearer one, the other will instantly jump toward the note as if it were the only one there. Once you understand this, editing accidentals makes perfect sense. It's still a little goofy, but it's entirely predictable and consistent. Some general techniques: If you know you're going to edit all the accidentals on the chord anyway, just plan to drag all of them and ignore whatever hopping they do along the way. If you want to nudge just some of them, try to start from the outside in, since adjusting the outside ones usually won't make the inside ones hop. If you've got an accidental that you want to stay put while you nudge others around it, nudge it once to the right and once to the left to anchor it in position. On Jul 19, 2005, at 10:37 AM, Don Hart wrote: Finale's behavior in editing accidentals is weird and inconsistent, causing edits to be a lot harder to perform than they should be. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Blowing O.T.
Phil Daley wrote: At 7/19/2005 11:42 AM, John Howell wrote: At 10:47 PM -0400 7/18/05, Raymond Horton wrote: Perhaps, but that might be supposing too much. I would think it's just a term for a tool of the trade. (Personally, I heard axe years before I ever heard of woodshedding.) And barbershopers have been using woodshedding for decades Well, that's because they NEED it ;-) I have been to a couple of BarberShop groups because I like to sing (I also direct a 4-part men's chorus). As soon as they say You have to memorize the music, I'm outta there. I can sing the music correctly the first time through, obviously, using the music. What do I gain by spending my time memorizing the same music? I can understand that 90% of people in those groups have to learn the music by rote, since they are clueless about actually reading the music. But why penalize me? I think it's for the visual effect -- all the Barbershop chorus concerts I've attended have been wonderful visual performances as well as musical performances, and they would not be the same with the music in everybody's hands. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: Accidentals - order and spacing; bug?
On Jul 20, 2005, at 1:19 AM, Don Hart wrote: Did you recreate the examples I originally offered? No. You'll have to tell me what they are again. I don't save old messages here. I'm not sure I even saw the beginning of this thread. In some instances one nudge plops an accidental directly on top of another. Sure, that makes perfect sense. If you nudge the innermost accidental, you've removed it from Finale's view so it's going to put another one in the innermost position. And the anchoring nudge, as you call it, doesn't undo anything. You have to edit your way out of the problem. If you've got a group of accidentals and you want to move the inner one only, anchor the outer ones first. One thing I didn't mention. You know that the clear key resets an accidental to zero, right? Just clear them all and you're back to how you started. mdl ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: Countertenor barred from Texas All-State Choir
At 7/19/2005 11:17 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Off-topic, of course, and submitted without comment, but some may find this LA Times editorial interesting: http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-ed-soprano11jul11,0,369179.story Yes, I already read that article. It was in our local newspaper. I did think it interesting, perhaps a sign of the times in a red state. Phil Daley AutoDesk http://www.conknet.com/~p_daley ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Blowing O.T.
At 7/20/2005 05:55 AM, dhbailey wrote: Phil Daley wrote: At 7/19/2005 11:42 AM, John Howell wrote: At 10:47 PM -0400 7/18/05, Raymond Horton wrote: Perhaps, but that might be supposing too much. I would think it's just a term for a tool of the trade. (Personally, I heard axe years before I ever heard of woodshedding.) And barbershopers have been using woodshedding for decades Well, that's because they NEED it ;-) I have been to a couple of BarberShop groups because I like to sing (I also direct a 4-part men's chorus). As soon as they say You have to memorize the music, I'm outta there. I can sing the music correctly the first time through, obviously, using the music. What do I gain by spending my time memorizing the same music? I can understand that 90% of people in those groups have to learn the music by rote, since they are clueless about actually reading the music. But why penalize me? I think it's for the visual effect -- all the Barbershop chorus concerts I've attended have been wonderful visual performances as well as musical performances, and they would not be the same with the music in everybody's hands. I can agree with that. That is probably the real reason. I find groups that do visual things while singing very distracting from the music. But, I guess that's me. Phil Daley AutoDesk http://www.conknet.com/~p_daley ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: Countertenor barred from Texas All-State Choir
Phil Daley wrote: At 7/19/2005 11:17 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Off-topic, of course, and submitted without comment, but some may find this LA Times editorial interesting: http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-ed-soprano11jul11,0,369179.story Yes, I already read that article. It was in our local newspaper. I did think it interesting, perhaps a sign of the times in a red state. You don't think they're called red states due to any comparison to red countries where totalitarianism is the norm and the rights of the many are trampled by the dictates of a powerful few do you? Nah, that couldn't be, not in a land where life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness are part of the founding ideals. While I agree with the boy's mother that often lawsuits aren't the way to resolve problems, they very often are the ONLY way to force such issues to the national forefront and get them resolved in a fair manner. On a Finale note (just to keep it somewhat relevant): it'll be wise not to make any arrangements for school-age groups which include countertenor, not if you want to sell them in Texas. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Blowing O.T.
On 7/20/05, Phil Daley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can agree with that. That is probably the real reason. I find groups that do visual things while singing very distracting from the music. But, I guess that's me. Me too. Some groups can do both well, but what often happens is that the music suffers because they are concentrating on the movements. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: Countertenor barred from Texas All-State Choir
On 7/19/05, Darcy James Argue [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Off-topic, of course, and submitted without comment, but some may find this LA Times editorial interesting: http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-ed-soprano11jul11,0,369179.story I'm not sure why they felt the need to drag in the topic of castrati. Any more recent news on the subject? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: Countertenor barred from Texas All-State Choir
dhbailey schrieb: On a Finale note (just to keep it somewhat relevant): it'll be wise not to make any arrangements for school-age groups which include countertenor, not if you want to sell them in Texas. Well, I really hope that MakeMusic will take this excellent opportunity to develop yet another really useful plugin: Check for School Use in Texas I guess this could also include filtering of any Evolution Theory texts. This should of course be complemented by the Equal Opportunities plugin. Oh well ;-) Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] RE: Memorizing Music (was: Blowing O.T.)
When I was in school, opera arias, showtunes and art songs were memorized, oratorio was not (but you should only use music as a reference). I was told it was performance practice. My dad commented Gee, you didn't use music for all them foreign songs, but you needed music for the ones in English. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Howell Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 9:06 PM To: finale@shsu.edu; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Finale] RE: Memorizing Music (was: Blowing O.T.) At 5:55 PM -0700 7/19/05, Ken Durling wrote: I personally would always prefer having score in ensemble pieces, and prefer memorization for soloists and conductors. This is also the way many competitions are run - requiring memorization for soloists but not for ensembles. It only makes sense, IMHO. ken I always memorized all my solo music for performances and competitions. It was just what people did. In the last several years at this school, the instrumental faculty seem to have stopped requiring memorization for juries and recitals. The vocal faculty still expect it and insist on it. Go figure. As a conductor, however, the kind of in-depth score study taught by Julius Herford at Indiana has, as a side effect, the memorization of the score in detail. (He is the man who taught score study to Robert Shaw, and Shaw freely admitted his debt to Herford.) John -- John Susie Howell Virginia Tech Department of Music Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Arpeggio (rolled chord) with arrow?
Hi Listers, I can not figure out how to create an arpeggio (rolled chord articulation)with arrows. I need both an up and down arpeggio. I am sure there is a way to do this. Thanks to anyone who can help! Lee DenglerMinister of Music and Arts - College Mennonite ChurchAssistant Professor of Music - Goshen CollegeDirector - Goshen Community ChoraleComposer, Editor, Engraver574-535-7262 ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Changing the tuplet number font size
Hi Listers, How does one change the font size of the number in a tuplet? Tuplet is notone of the options in document options/font. Thanks to anyone who can help! Lee DenglerMinister of Music and Arts - College Mennonite ChurchAssistant Professor of Music - Goshen CollegeDirector - Goshen Community ChoraleComposer, Editor, Engraver574-535-7262 ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] FinMac2005 GPO hell: Is this a bug or feature?
Darcy or anyone who is GPO savvy, can you help me out? My FinMac2005 file sounding terrible playing back on GPO. I finally found what's going on by checking the MIDI data. Pile of crap! How did this happen? I was checking GPO KS and GPO optimized HP so I was adding/deleting a lot of note expressions, articulations, and hairpins. I finally learned deleting them will not delete the MIDI data modified by these objects. This is ugly. Is this a bug? Or is a feature I should had known? A new question. I have Fin GPO Lib so I got all the GPO specific note expressions, but I am not getting them playing, i.e., pizz and trill. I have GPO setup for Notation - KS, which I believe this is the way supposed to be. One more. While hairpins are working fine, I am not getting any dynamic marking playing. Out of frustration, I gave all the strings ppp, and gave timpani fff, still strings are too loud and I barely hear timpani. Can anyone see what I am doing wrong? P.S. When I updated to AU 1.1.8, it told me I don't have Fin2006(?!). This made me pretty uncomfortable. Why NI didn't wait posting updater until Fin2006 was released, was beyond me. I still don't like NI. -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Lyric hyphen not centered
Hi Listers, I have a problem with some lyric hyphens not being centered between syllables. This happens only after I've gone into ADJUST SYLLABLES and manually moved one or both of the syllables either left or right. This is very annoying and I can not find a solution for it. There is no way that I know of to manually adjust the position of the hyphen. This seems like a bug to me. Has anyone else had this problem? Lee DenglerMinister of Music and Arts - College Mennonite ChurchAssistant Professor of Music - Goshen CollegeDirector - Goshen Community ChoraleComposer, Editor, Engraver574-535-7262 ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Arpeggio (rolled chord) with arrow?
you have to load the "engraver character sets" to do that. GR LEE DENGLER wrote: Hi Listers, I can not figure out how to create an arpeggio (rolled chord articulation)with arrows. I need both an up and down arpeggio. I am sure there is a way to do this. Thanks to anyone who can help! Lee Dengler Minister of Music and Arts - College Mennonite Church Assistant Professor of Music - Goshen College Director - Goshen Community Chorale Composer, Editor, Engraver 574-535-7262 ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Changing the tuplet number font size
At 10:56 AM 07/20/2005, LEE DENGLER wrote: How does one change the font size of the number in a tuplet? Tuplet is not one of the options in document options/font. Yes it is. Next to Notation, drop down the list and select Tuplet. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Changing the tuplet number font size
LEE DENGLER wrote: Hi Listers, How does one change the font size of the number in a tuplet? Tuplet is not one of the options in document options/font. Thanks to anyone who can help! You're probably just looking in the wrong place: it's Document options - fonts - notation - tuplets ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: Countertenor barred from Texas All-State Choir
Title: Re: [Finale] OT: Countertenor barred from Texas All-State At 11:17 PM -0400 7/19/05, Darcy James Argue wrote: Off-topic, of course, and submitted without comment, but some may find this LA Times editorial interesting: http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-ed-soprano11jul11,0,369179.story Off-topic, yes. But it's gotten plenty of attention and commentary on both the ChoralTalk List and the EarlyMusic List. Apparently the original problem in Texas was girls wanting to audition for Honors Choir as tenors. I put problem in quotes because, in fact, some girls' natural and healthy voice range is the range we usually think of as tenor. So along comes Mike, and he gets caught up in the restrictive gender definitions the TMEA has adopted. (And bear in mind that half the officers of the TMEA are instrumentalists, who have been swayed by traditionalist voice teachers' opinions.) Here's what a respected collegue wrote about Mike's countertenor voice, having met and heard him at a conference: Mike is fantastic! He has a bright, laser-beam sound when he wants, but can also blend well. He did some lightning-fast ornamentation in a Monteverdi piece that was worthy of a full professional. And he's a sweet kid. Most countertenors are male altos, and most use a developed falsetto (which fell into disfavor as 19th century opera got louder and louder), while a few really do sing healthily in soprano range. In fact, if you happen to see the King's College Cambridge Chapel Choir on TV (the choir where the Kings Singers got their early training), you'll notice that all the boys are singing treble (soprano), while 3 or 4 young men are singing alto, the traditional Anglican voicing, rather than the German practice of having boys sing both soprano and alto. Our older son is a professional countertenor whose head voice lies naturally in a mezzo-soprano range, but he sang soprano with Chanticleer for four years (including three Grammy nominations and one Grammy Award), and is now exploring the operatic and oratorio literature suitable for his voice in the masters program at Yale. I've put Mike and his mother in contact with our son, at least once he returns from singing in Italy this summer. Mike has great potential for a professional career, no thanks to the TMEA! But even if he won't have the Texas Honors Choir on his resume to attract scholarship money, the flap the Texans have caused have actually given him better publicity by far. Consider the bell-curve that describes the distribution of any and every human attribute. Some men really are sopranos, and some are contrabasses. They may be hanging out there a couple of standard deviations from the mean, but they're there. And some women really are baritones (e.g. Carole Channing!) while others can emulate Mariah Carrey, again way out there from the mean. But the folks in Texas can't seem to deal with deviations of any kind, standard or otherwise! John -- John Susie Howell Virginia Tech Department of Music Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Blowing O.T.
At 9:12 AM -0400 7/20/05, Lora Crighton wrote: On 7/20/05, Phil Daley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can agree with that. That is probably the real reason. I find groups that do visual things while singing very distracting from the music. But, I guess that's me. Me too. Some groups can do both well, but what often happens is that the music suffers because they are concentrating on the movements. There's a three-part approach to this that works well with amateurs, and even with professionals. First you teach the music, making sure that all the parts are solidly learned. Then teach the choreography, during which they forget half the music. Then reteach the music coordinated with the choreography. It works just fine; you just have to know in advance that this is what you need to do. Quote from a NYC stage director at a workshop: An amateur rehearses until she can do the part correctly. A professional rehearses until she cannot do the part incorrectly. Food for thought. John -- John Susie Howell Virginia Tech Department of Music Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Lyric hyphen not centered
LEE DENGLER wrote: I have a problem with some lyric hyphens not being centered between syllables. This happens only after I've gone into ADJUST SYLLABLES and manually moved one or both of the syllables either left or right. This is very annoying and I can not find a solution for it. There is no way that I know of to manually adjust the position of the hyphen. This seems like a bug to me. Has anyone else had this problem? Maybe, but I've never noticed it. Have you tried doing a screen redraw after adjusting the syllables, or alternatively, saving the file after making the adjustments, and re-opening? I don't recall that it was lyric hyphens, but in early days, I remember some spacing issue where I had to resort to the redraw, and was satisfactory afterwards, and another where I had to resort to the file save, and was satisfactory on reload. ns ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] RE: Memorizing Music (was: Blowing O.T.)
At 9:00 AM -0500 7/20/05, Fisher, Allen wrote: When I was in school, opera arias, showtunes and art songs were memorized, oratorio was not (but you should only use music as a reference). I was told it was performance practice. My dad commented Gee, you didn't use music for all them foreign songs, but you needed music for the ones in English. OK, I guess it's time for my Primrose story. William Primrose, with whom I had the privilege of studying viola at Indiana, routinely played concertos from memory, but liked to stand where he could glance at the conductor's score just for reassurance, especially when doing a new piece. He was premiering a new concerto (it may have been the Bartók), and walked on stage to take his place, glancing over at the conductor's stand. The conductor was conducting from memory!! Very brief moment of panic, followed by a stunning and perfect performance. Mr. Primrose also joined the resident string quartet at Indiana for a string quintet on a scholarship concert. It was the first, and likely the last time I will ever see a chamber ensemble led authoritatively from the Second Viola chair!! John -- John Susie Howell Virginia Tech Department of Music Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Mass barbershopping
But I gotta say that it's almost chill-making to be in a convention room with about 400 Sweet Adelines from 30 different choruses in a widespread region when somebody starts a song, and they all join in in perfect 4-part harmony! I was in St. Louis about 20 years ago during one of the international barbershop convention/competitions. In between quartet acts, when the judges were judging, the who crowd of *thousands* starting singing the same tune, same arrangement. Pretty amazing! (I got tickets to the event the day before *in* the St. Louis arch, when my then-SO and I coaxed a song out of the conventioneers who were in the arch with us. And no, they weren't carrying their music with them!). Andrew Levin ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Re: GPO trumpets
The trumpets in GPO sound pretty good to me, but then, I'm looking for orchestral rather than jazz sounds. However, what, exactly, we will get with F2006 remains to be seen. After all, it is a cut down version offering. The specific brands of some instruments are offered in the full GPO, but MakeMusic! seems to be offering more generic sounds. Ron Ronald J Brown PO Box 138 Newboro ON K0G 1P0 (613) 272-3181 http://www.RonaldJBrown.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: July 19, 2005 4:49 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: [Finale] Re: GPO trumpets Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 12:21:04 -0500 From: Jim Williamson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Finale] GPO trumpets Does anyone know how the trumpets sound in the included 2006/GPO package? I tried listening to the GPO samples on their website and thought the trumpet was one of the worst instruments that they do. However, they are still better than a lot of other trumpet sounds available. Michael Lawlor ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] FinMac2005 GPO hell: Is this a bug or feature?
A few shots at it. Use clear midi data -- I forget where or proper label. Strings utilise a different method for dynamics than perc. You are probably using the same on both. (eg velocity based - perc.) Jerry Quoting A-NO-NE Music [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Darcy or anyone who is GPO savvy, can you help me out? My FinMac2005 file sounding terrible playing back on GPO. I finally found what's going on by checking the MIDI data. Pile of crap! How did this happen? I was checking GPO KS and GPO optimized HP so I was adding/deleting a lot of note expressions, articulations, and hairpins. I finally learned deleting them will not delete the MIDI data modified by these objects. This is ugly. Is this a bug? Or is a feature I should had known? A new question. I have Fin GPO Lib so I got all the GPO specific note expressions, but I am not getting them playing, i.e., pizz and trill. I have GPO setup for Notation - KS, which I believe this is the way supposed to be. One more. While hairpins are working fine, I am not getting any dynamic marking playing. Out of frustration, I gave all the strings ppp, and gave timpani fff, still strings are too loud and I barely hear timpani. Can anyone see what I am doing wrong? P.S. When I updated to AU 1.1.8, it told me I don't have Fin2006(?!). This made me pretty uncomfortable. Why NI didn't wait posting updater until Fin2006 was released, was beyond me. I still don't like NI. -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] FinMac2005 GPO hell: Is this a bug or feature?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] / 2005/07/20 / 12:03 PM wrote: Use clear midi data -- I forget where or proper label. Thanks for your response. At first I didn't want to try this since this can be only applied to measure instead of single object, but I just tried, and it doesn't work. Both Clear CC and Clear Tempo won't clear these data at all. This must be a bug, no? Strings utilise a different method for dynamics than perc. You are probably using the same on both. (eg velocity based - perc.) Finale dynamics markings are velocity based by default, but timpani is still too soft. I am not sure what is I am missing here. Do I need to create different dynamic markings for CC1? I thought HP does this automatically, no? -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Blowing O.T.
At 7/20/2005 11:33 AM, John Howell wrote: There's a three-part approach to this that works well with amateurs, and even with professionals. First you teach the music, making sure that all the parts are solidly learned. Then teach the choreography, during which they forget half the music. Then reteach the music coordinated with the choreography. It works just fine; you just have to know in advance that this is what you need to do. I agree. But . . . Most amateurs (in my area) don't have enough time to actually learn the music, let alone, learn some additional choreography. Phil Daley AutoDesk http://www.conknet.com/~p_daley ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Blowing O.T.
On 7/20/05, Phil Daley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 7/20/2005 11:33 AM, John Howell wrote: There's a three-part approach to this that works well with amateurs, and even with professionals. First you teach the music, making sure that all the parts are solidly learned. Then teach the choreography, during which they forget half the music. Then reteach the music coordinated with the choreography. It works just fine; you just have to know in advance that this is what you need to do. I agree. But . . . Most amateurs (in my area) don't have enough time to actually learn the music, let alone, learn some additional choreography. Many years ago I was in a church choir where I was one of a tiny handful of singers who could sightread. I tried, and failed, to convince the director to spend a bit of time teaching basic theory sightreading. Her reason for refusing? Not enough time because we had so much music to learn - it was only a few hymns, 1 psalm, and a motet each week. (We had a handful of mass settings, none difficult, some congregational, and would often do the same one for many weeks in a row.) ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] FinMac2005 GPO hell: Is this a bug or feature?
On the PC, if you choose the MIDI tool, select a region of music, and hit the backspace key, that should remove MIDI data, perhaps except for MID data created by expressions--is there something similar on Mac? - Original Message - From: A-NO-NE Music [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: finale@shsu.edu Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 11:17 AM Subject: Re: [Finale] FinMac2005 GPO hell: Is this a bug or feature? [EMAIL PROTECTED] / 2005/07/20 / 12:03 PM wrote: Use clear midi data -- I forget where or proper label. Thanks for your response. At first I didn't want to try this since this can be only applied to measure instead of single object, but I just tried, and it doesn't work. Both Clear CC and Clear Tempo won't clear these data at all. This must be a bug, no? Strings utilise a different method for dynamics than perc. You are probably using the same on both. (eg velocity based - perc.) Finale dynamics markings are velocity based by default, but timpani is still too soft. I am not sure what is I am missing here. Do I need to create different dynamic markings for CC1? I thought HP does this automatically, no? -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Blowing O.T. - now axe and chops
On 20 Jul 2005 at 4:00, John Bell wrote: On 20 Jul 2005, at 03:05, Raymond Horton wrote: I know a percussionist who talks about keeping his chops in shape. Maybe for playing the musical saw. The first time I encountered the term chops was at a summer band camp when I was 17. One of the other snare drummers described another of the snare drummers as having better chops than any of the rest of us. Maybe since 1978 things have changed, but I doubt it. -- David W. Fentonhttp://www.bway.net/~dfenton David Fenton Associateshttp://www.bway.net/~dfassoc ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: Countertenor barred from Texas All-State Choir
On 20 Jul 2005 at 7:46, dhbailey wrote: Phil Daley wrote: At 7/19/2005 11:17 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Off-topic, of course, and submitted without comment, but some may find this LA Times editorial interesting: http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-ed-soprano11jul11,0,369179.story Yes, I already read that article. It was in our local newspaper. I did think it interesting, perhaps a sign of the times in a red state. You don't think they're called red states due to any comparison to red countries where totalitarianism is the norm and the rights of the many are trampled by the dictates of a powerful few do you? Nah, that couldn't be, not in a land where life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness are part of the founding ideals. The origin of red states is simply that this was the color used by the network news in the 2000 Presidential election to represent states that swung Republican. I've read that in the 1996 election, the networks used red for the Democrats. Why it hardened into red vs. blue in the media is a different question, but the origin of the colors is quite benign. While I agree with the boy's mother that often lawsuits aren't the way to resolve problems, they very often are the ONLY way to force such issues to the national forefront and get them resolved in a fair manner. Stupidity is not limited to red states. On a Finale note (just to keep it somewhat relevant): it'll be wise not to make any arrangements for school-age groups which include countertenor, not if you want to sell them in Texas. I'd be thrilled if any of my work were never made available in Texas. -- David W. Fentonhttp://www.bway.net/~dfenton David Fenton Associateshttp://www.bway.net/~dfassoc ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Blowing O.T. - now axe and chops
Wow. is there really any argument about what chops means? It's always meant technique to me and everyone I know. Ken At 11:41 AM 7/20/2005, you wrote: On 20 Jul 2005 at 4:00, John Bell wrote: On 20 Jul 2005, at 03:05, Raymond Horton wrote: I know a percussionist who talks about keeping his chops in shape. Maybe for playing the musical saw. The first time I encountered the term chops was at a summer band camp when I was 17. One of the other snare drummers described another of the snare drummers as having better chops than any of the rest of us. Maybe since 1978 things have changed, but I doubt it. -- David W. Fentonhttp://www.bway.net/~dfenton David Fenton Associateshttp://www.bway.net/~dfassoc ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] FinMac2005 GPO hell: Is this a bug or feature?
On 20 Jul 2005 at 12:17, A-NO-NE Music wrote: Finale dynamics markings are velocity based by default, but timpani is still too soft. I am not sure what is I am missing here. Do I need to create different dynamic markings for CC1? I thought HP does this automatically, no? In testing out HP in the Finale2005 demo, I've not been happy with the balances between piano and strings in piano chamber works. For whatever reason, HP makes the piano very soft and brings the strings to the forefront, which in 75% of the passages in my repertory is pretty much backwards. I've tried turning off solo/accompaniment detection and it seems to make very little difference. From what I can see, HP is just not all that useful as anything but aural proofing. If you really want to produce a MIDI performance from Finale, you have to do it the old-fashioned way. -- David W. Fentonhttp://www.bway.net/~dfenton David Fenton Associateshttp://www.bway.net/~dfassoc ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: Countertenor barred from Texas All-State Choir
Without having an understanding of the full history of this issue, the measures and time needed to change the system, and the possible negative implications of doing so (for example, how many teachers are really qualified to teach a young man to do this without ruining his voice?), I don't feel I'm in a place to ridicule Texas for this. This single story obviously doesn't give us a full picture of what has happened or what is being done now. What I do know is that when it comes to effort spent on music education, Texas is at or very near the top of the country. My home high school had 13 band directors/instrument specialists (several full-time and others that split their time among the middle schools in the area) and 2 choir teachers (small choir program when I was there). I don't think any states have done more to push music education forward. Tyler --- John Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 11:17 PM -0400 7/19/05, Darcy James Argue wrote: Off-topic, of course, and submitted without comment, but some may find this LA Times editorial interesting: http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-ed-soprano11jul11,0,369179.story Off-topic, yes. But it's gotten plenty of attention and commentary on both the ChoralTalk List and the EarlyMusic List. Apparently the original problem in Texas was girls wanting to audition for Honors Choir as tenors. I put problem in quotes because, in fact, some girls' natural and healthy voice range is the range we usually think of as tenor. So along comes Mike, and he gets caught up in the restrictive gender definitions the TMEA has adopted. (And bear in mind that half the officers of the TMEA are instrumentalists, who have been swayed by traditionalist voice teachers' opinions.) Here's what a respected collegue wrote about Mike's countertenor voice, having met and heard him at a conference: Mike is fantastic! He has a bright, laser-beam sound when he wants, but can also blend well. He did some lightning-fast ornamentation in a Monteverdi piece that was worthy of a full professional. And he's a sweet kid. Most countertenors are male altos, and most use a developed falsetto (which fell into disfavor as 19th century opera got louder and louder), while a few really do sing healthily in soprano range. In fact, if you happen to see the King's College Cambridge Chapel Choir on TV (the choir where the Kings Singers got their early training), you'll notice that all the boys are singing treble (soprano), while 3 or 4 young men are singing alto, the traditional Anglican voicing, rather than the German practice of having boys sing both soprano and alto. Our older son is a professional countertenor whose head voice lies naturally in a mezzo-soprano range, but he sang soprano with Chanticleer for four years (including three Grammy nominations and one Grammy Award), and is now exploring the operatic and oratorio literature suitable for his voice in the masters program at Yale. I've put Mike and his mother in contact with our son, at least once he returns from singing in Italy this summer. Mike has great potential for a professional career, no thanks to the TMEA! But even if he won't have the Texas Honors Choir on his resume to attract scholarship money, the flap the Texans have caused have actually given him better publicity by far. Consider the bell-curve that describes the distribution of any and every human attribute. Some men really are sopranos, and some are contrabasses. They may be hanging out there a couple of standard deviations from the mean, but they're there. And some women really are baritones (e.g. Carole Channing!) while others can emulate Mariah Carrey, again way out there from the mean. But the folks in Texas can't seem to deal with deviations of any kind, standard or otherwise! John -- John Susie Howell Virginia Tech Department of Music Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: Accidentals - order and spacing; bug?
Hi all, I just heard back from tech support on this and Gary said he couldn't recreate my problem. The file I was working in originated in a template put together a long time ago, so I made a new file with the set up wizard to experiment with. The behavior I reported was not present in the new file. This is the first noticeable problem (assuming this *is* the problem) that I've experienced using one of my old templates. One beta tester I know swears by making a new basic template for every upgrade (not fixits). How often do you folks on this list redo your own templates? Do any of you import any existing libraries into the new template? Any other dos, don'ts, or routines? Thanks, Don Hart on 7/20/05 11:28 AM, Don Hart at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Mark, Here's the problem as stated in my original post: Try this: -- Enter a chord in the treble clef consisting of F sharp, G sharp up a second, C sharp up a fourth, built up from the top line F sharp. Show all three accidentals. -- Go to the Accidental Mover Tool in the Special Tools tool palette and click in the measure to bring up handles on the accidentals. -- Select the handle for the F sharp and nudge once, either left or right. When I do this the F sharp and the G sharp swap position Undo that action and try on each of the other two accidentals. A nudge on the G sharp produces an expected action; nudging the C sharp moves the G sharp into a conflicting position. Lower that example an octave and the first nudge produces a different, more severe problem, the difference seemingly predicated on stem direction and which note in the second is displaced. This is a pain to deal with, a pretty good impression of inconsistent and, ultimately, unacceptable, no matter how logical it is according to Finale's algorithms. Thanks for pointing out this function of the clear key; I wasn't aware of it's use here. Don Hart on 7/20/05 5:28 AM, Mark D Lew at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 20, 2005, at 1:19 AM, Don Hart wrote: Did you recreate the examples I originally offered? No. You'll have to tell me what they are again. I don't save old messages here. I'm not sure I even saw the beginning of this thread. In some instances one nudge plops an accidental directly on top of another. Sure, that makes perfect sense. If you nudge the innermost accidental, you've removed it from Finale's view so it's going to put another one in the innermost position. And the anchoring nudge, as you call it, doesn't undo anything. You have to edit your way out of the problem. If you've got a group of accidentals and you want to move the inner one only, anchor the outer ones first. One thing I didn't mention. You know that the clear key resets an accidental to zero, right? Just clear them all and you're back to how you started. mdl ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] FinMac2005 GPO hell: Is this a bug or feature?
On 20 Jul 2005, at 10:57 AM, A-NO-NE Music wrote: A new question. I have Fin GPO Lib so I got all the GPO specific note expressions, but I am not getting them playing, i.e., pizz and trill. I have GPO setup for Notation - KS, which I believe this is the way supposed to be. Where are you seeing this? I don't have this option in my version. Did you somehow obtain the Notation version of GPO? That version uses different keyswitches than regular GPO and is only compatible with Fin2k6. But I didn't think the Notation version was out yet. Make sure you have: - Human Playback ON - Human Playback style Standard (at first -- for troubleshooting purposes) - Optimize for GPO CHECKED - Use Modulation wheel for volume CHECKED And, in GPO Studio: - Use std. CC#7 / CC#10 volume pan CHECKED (hit the options button on the player to access this) - Settings - Mode - Default (NOT ignore mod wheel) If you're still having problems, email Robert Piéchaud at [EMAIL PROTECTED]. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: Accidentals - order and spacing; bug?
On 20 Jul 2005 at 14:59, Don Hart wrote: I just heard back from tech support on this and Gary said he couldn't recreate my problem. The file I was working in originated in a template put together a long time ago, so I made a new file with the set up wizard to experiment with. The behavior I reported was not present in the new file. This is the first noticeable problem (assuming this *is* the problem) that I've experienced using one of my old templates. One beta tester I know swears by making a new basic template for every upgrade (not fixits). How often do you folks on this list redo your own templates? Do any of you import any existing libraries into the new template? Any other dos, don'ts, or routines? That's all well and good, but how do you convert older files into the new version? Copy the data into a new template? We all know how well *that* works -- *NOT*. This is an area in which Finale is very, very bad, and that seems to me to have lots of bugs and inconsistencies. I encounter them constantly, simply because I've been working on some of my files since 1991. Conversion to the new version clearly does *not* convert everything. -- David W. Fentonhttp://www.bway.net/~dfenton David Fenton Associateshttp://www.bway.net/~dfassoc ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] FinMac2005 GPO hell: Is this a bug or feature?
--- David W. Fenton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From what I can see, HP is just not all that useful as anything but aural proofing. If you really want to produce a MIDI performance from Finale, you have to do it the old-fashioned way. It depends on the music. I've had some composers think HP performances were real orchestral recordings. This is the exception rather than the rule, but it does indicate that context is important. Tyler Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] FinMac2005 GPO hell: Is this a bug or feature?
Darcy James Argue / 2005/07/20 / 04:07 PM wrote: Where are you seeing this? I don't have this option in my version. Did you somehow obtain the Notation version of GPO? That version uses different keyswitches than regular GPO and is only compatible with Fin2k6. But I didn't think the Notation version was out yet. Yeah, That's what I was saying. I downloaded GPO Kintakt Player updater linked from here: http://www.garritan.com/support.html Which told me I don't have Fin2006 at the end of the install. I think it screwed my set up :-( I then tried regular vlin KS. Now I got even worse. After I attaching 'tr', FinMac2005 file is playing bunch of notes randomly which are not there. This is a single stuff music only for 4 bars for testing, by the way. It even plays a note on a rest. Deleting 'tr' to no avail. This file seems to be screwed up now. It's hard to believe Kontakt Player updater could do something to actually add MIDI note entry to the file. Added MIDI notes data are printed sine they will playback even when I disable HP. -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] FinMac2005 GPO hell: Is this a bug or feature?
Hiro, The Kontakt player update is not the same as GPO Notation, which has not been released yet (I checked). I downloaded and installed the June 16 Kontakt player update and I haven't had any of the problems you describe. Why don't you start by removing your Finale preferences and testing a single-staff file based on the Maestro Font Default included with your Fin2k5 CD? If *that* doesn't work, perhaps Robert Piéchaud can help explain what's going. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 20 Jul 2005, at 4:22 PM, A-NO-NE Music wrote: Darcy James Argue / 2005/07/20 / 04:07 PM wrote: Where are you seeing this? I don't have this option in my version. Did you somehow obtain the Notation version of GPO? That version uses different keyswitches than regular GPO and is only compatible with Fin2k6. But I didn't think the Notation version was out yet. Yeah, That's what I was saying. I downloaded GPO Kintakt Player updater linked from here: http://www.garritan.com/support.html Which told me I don't have Fin2006 at the end of the install. I think it screwed my set up :-( I then tried regular vlin KS. Now I got even worse. After I attaching 'tr', FinMac2005 file is playing bunch of notes randomly which are not there. This is a single stuff music only for 4 bars for testing, by the way. It even plays a note on a rest. Deleting 'tr' to no avail. This file seems to be screwed up now. It's hard to believe Kontakt Player updater could do something to actually add MIDI note entry to the file. Added MIDI notes data are printed sine they will playback even when I disable HP. -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] FinMac2005 GPO hell: Is this a bug or feature?
--- A-NO-NE Music [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's hard to believe Kontakt Player updater could do something to actually add MIDI note entry to the file. Added MIDI notes data are printed sine they will playback even when I disable HP. -- - Hiro It sounds like you may have run the Apply HP plug-in (not just turned on HP) or used the TGTools Smart Playback plug-in. Both of these plug-ins have utilities for clearing the note data they entered. Try running those. Tyler __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] FinMac2005 GPO hell: Is this a bug or feature?
A-NO-NE Music schrieb: Yeah, That's what I was saying. I downloaded GPO Kintakt Player updater linked from here: http://www.garritan.com/support.html Which told me I don't have Fin2006 at the end of the install. I think it screwed my set up :-( This can only have been a temporary cock-up on their end. I just checked, and there is no newer version than the one from June 16, which is the one I have, and which is definitely not the one for Finale 2k6. Could you perhaps check the version info (click on the Kontakt symbol inside a GPO player)? Under sotware mine reads 1.1.8.003, what does yours say? Next step, contact Garritan, and then perhaps MakeMusic, too. I wonder who is responsible for this leak. Could have been NI. Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] FinMac2005 GPO hell: Is this a bug or feature?
On 20 Jul 2005, at 4:49 PM, A-NO-NE Music wrote: Darcy James Argue / 2005/07/20 / 04:33 PM wrote: The Kontakt player update is not the same as GPO Notation, which has not been released yet (I checked). Maybe you can tell them that I downloaded and ran 1.1.8.3 updater, which told me I don't have Fin2006 at the end of the install, and now I see GPO Notation listed. I will try your suggestion soon, but I wanted to make sure one thing. I am using: http://www.garritan.com/support/GPOKeySwitches.lib Is this the correct one? No. I have no idea how that is supposed to work. Perhaps it's PC only, like the Legato Slur plugin. Also tried this: http://www.garritan.com/support/KeyswitchExpressions.mus.zip Which is a Finale file that doesn't open. Finale Error ID -12. It's a Finale Library. You have to load it from inside Finale: File - Load Library - Enable: All Files - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] FinMac2005 GPO hell: Is this a bug or feature?
A-NO-NE Music schrieb: I will try your suggestion soon, but I wanted to make sure one thing. I am using: http://www.garritan.com/support/GPOKeySwitches.lib Is this the correct one? Also tried this: http://www.garritan.com/support/KeyswitchExpressions.mus.zip Which is a Finale file that doesn't open. Finale Error ID -12. I believe the two are actually effectively the same, once as a library, once as a doc with the same library. Are you sure it is a Finale error? I have a feeling it may be a permissions problem, which I also had after I unpacked this file. I think I eventually used Stuffit Expander 9 to unpack it and all was well. I still think you must have downloaded a special updater, that wasn't supposed to be there. I never got the message about 2k6, and I have not got any notation options, although I have got the June 16th update. Johannes Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] FinMac2005 GPO hell: Is this a bug or feature?
Darcy James Argue schrieb: http://www.garritan.com/support/GPOKeySwitches.lib Is this the correct one? No. I have no idea how that is supposed to work. Perhaps it's PC only, like the Legato Slur plugin. Also tried this: http://www.garritan.com/support/KeyswitchExpressions.mus.zip Which is a Finale file that doesn't open. Finale Error ID -12. It's a Finale Library. You have to load it from inside Finale: Sorry, Darcy, but you are absolutely wrong on both files. The first one is the lib and has to be opened from inside Finale, while the second one is definitely a MUS file, ie a Finale notation file. I have them both and just checked. Both files are cross-platform, but the lib file will indeed only show if you select all files, as the creator/type is not correctly set for Mac, since it is a PC file (but works on Mac). This is very poorly documented on the Garritan site, as I have mentioned here before. Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] FinMac2005 GPO hell: Is this a bug or feature?
Hey Johannes, Sorry, you're right -- I had the order reversed. (I was going by the order in which they were listed on the Garritan web site, as opposed to the order Hiro had them in his email.) To clarify, this is the library: http://www.garritan.com/support/GPOKeySwitches.lib And this is the file which (theoretically) contains an almost identical library, but gives a -12 error unless opened with Stuffit Expander: http://www.garritan.com/support/KeyswitchExpressions.mus.zip The .mus file is also misleadingly called a plugin on the Garritan site. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 20 Jul 2005, at 5:16 PM, Johannes Gebauer wrote: Darcy James Argue schrieb: http://www.garritan.com/support/GPOKeySwitches.lib Is this the correct one? No. I have no idea how that is supposed to work. Perhaps it's PC only, like the Legato Slur plugin. Also tried this: http://www.garritan.com/support/KeyswitchExpressions.mus.zip Which is a Finale file that doesn't open. Finale Error ID -12. It's a Finale Library. You have to load it from inside Finale: Sorry, Darcy, but you are absolutely wrong on both files. The first one is the lib and has to be opened from inside Finale, while the second one is definitely a MUS file, ie a Finale notation file. I have them both and just checked. Both files are cross-platform, but the lib file will indeed only show if you select all files, as the creator/type is not correctly set for Mac, since it is a PC file (but works on Mac). This is very poorly documented on the Garritan site, as I have mentioned here before. Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] FinMac2005 GPO hell: Is this a bug or feature?
Johannes Gebauer / 2005/07/20 / 05:12 PM wrote: Are you sure it is a Finale error? The error message sez so :-) I have a feeling it may be a permissions problem, It's 766 as I downloaded, which is more than it's supposed to be :-) But you hit the nail. I tried Stuffit Deluxe 9 to unzip it, and the error message went away. The permission bit was the same, by the way. And the library embedded on this file seems to be identical to what I have been using, as you pointed out. By the way, I just noticed GPO studio splash sez v1.2! I have to take care of this problem first. NI! Ack! -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] FinMac2005 GPO hell: Is this a bug or feature?
Hi Hiro, GPO Studio 1.2 is the latest version. However, you do need to make sure you have the latest actual GPO sample library -- the one with the keyswitched strings and full strings, etc. *That* is what is meant by GPO 2.0. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 20 Jul 2005, at 5:41 PM, A-NO-NE Music wrote: Johannes Gebauer / 2005/07/20 / 05:12 PM wrote: Are you sure it is a Finale error? The error message sez so :-) I have a feeling it may be a permissions problem, It's 766 as I downloaded, which is more than it's supposed to be :-) But you hit the nail. I tried Stuffit Deluxe 9 to unzip it, and the error message went away. The permission bit was the same, by the way. And the library embedded on this file seems to be identical to what I have been using, as you pointed out. By the way, I just noticed GPO studio splash sez v1.2! I have to take care of this problem first. NI! Ack! -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] FinMac2005 GPO hell: Is this a bug or feature?
A-NO-NE Music schrieb: By the way, I just noticed GPO studio splash sez v1.2! I have to take care of this problem first. NI! Ack! That's correct, I believe. Remember, GPO Studio is not the same as GPO. The latter is just the specific GPO NI KOntakt player, while GPO Studio is a VST host application. Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] FinMac2005 GPO hell: Is this a bug or feature?
OK, I am getting confused. I do have GPO 1.1.8.003 and Lib v2.0, which is the correct ones as others confirmed for me, then why do I see GPO Notation listed? H... -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] FinMac2005 GPO hell: Is this a bug or feature?
Hiro, WHERE do you see GPO Notation listed? - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 20 Jul 2005, at 6:12 PM, A-NO-NE Music wrote: OK, I am getting confused. I do have GPO 1.1.8.003 and Lib v2.0, which is the correct ones as others confirmed for me, then why do I see GPO Notation listed? H... -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] FinMac2005 GPO hell: Is this a bug or feature?
On 20 Jul 2005 at 13:19, Tyler Turner wrote: --- David W. Fenton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From what I can see, HP is just not all that useful as anything but aural proofing. If you really want to produce a MIDI performance from Finale, you have to do it the old-fashioned way. It depends on the music. I've had some composers think HP performances were real orchestral recordings. This is the exception rather than the rule, but it does indicate that context is important. Well, for me, there are too many aspects of HP changes over which I have no control, and the defaults are unacceptable (such as the excessively portato performance of non-slurred notes), so I have to turn off large areas of HP features (e.g., note length effects). This is too bad, because I really like the slurs it creates. I also don't like the one-size-fits-all implementation of fermatas, which I've had some problems with in a minuet and trio, where the fermatas are used to indicate FINE (and so I don't want them actually treated as fermatas at all). I'm also not thrilled with the trills. They are OK for proofreading, but they aren't great. And the fact that you have to set the HP style to Baroque to get proper realization of the classical appoggiatura figure (16th-note grace note followed by 8th note followed by two 16ths) is just wrong. Well into the 19th century, most grace notes were still on the beat, and always so in that particular figure. Likewise, I'd like to be able to add items to its dictionary of expressions/articulations that it performs. For instance, the turn symbol included in Finale is wrong for large swaths of the repertory I use (it's turned in the wrong direction), and Finale lacks the slashed turn figure. I use those two from a different font, but Finale HP doesn't know what to do with them. That's just a couple of examples of things that just don't work the way I want. This means I'd have to do nearly as much tweaking of the HP data as I have to do from scratch, creating it myself. Since it's often easier to build a new house than to remodel an old one, I just think I'll not use HP that much. Actually, the one thing I really do like is the way it does the dynamics, and the swells. I've never found Finale's tools for continuous data to be satisfactory, so getting hairpins right as well as having nice swells on long held notes is quite satisfactory. I'm not entirely sure about the tempo randomization in slow tempos, but that's a parameter that one *does* have control over, so I could probably adjust that to suit. So, I'll revise what I said: Most of HP is not going to help me, but some of it definitely will. I think I won't use any of the changes of note lengths, but will use the dynamics and tempo, as well as the ornaments. -- David W. Fentonhttp://www.bway.net/~dfenton David Fenton Associateshttp://www.bway.net/~dfassoc ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] FinMac2005 GPO hell: Is this a bug or feature?
Huh? Can you be more specific? - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 20 Jul 2005, at 6:28 PM, A-NO-NE Music wrote: Darcy James Argue / 2005/07/20 / 06:19 PM wrote: Hiro, WHERE do you see GPO Notation listed? Load button. -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] FinMac2005 GPO hell: Is this a bug or feature?
On 20 Jul 2005 at 16:22, A-NO-NE Music wrote: Darcy James Argue / 2005/07/20 / 04:07 PM wrote: Where are you seeing this? I don't have this option in my version. Did you somehow obtain the Notation version of GPO? That version uses different keyswitches than regular GPO and is only compatible with Fin2k6. But I didn't think the Notation version was out yet. Yeah, That's what I was saying. I downloaded GPO Kintakt Player updater linked from here: http://www.garritan.com/support.html Which told me I don't have Fin2006 at the end of the install. I think it screwed my set up :-( I then tried regular vlin KS. Now I got even worse. After I attaching 'tr', FinMac2005 file is playing bunch of notes randomly which are not there. This is a single stuff music only for 4 bars for testing, by the way. It even plays a note on a rest. Deleting 'tr' to no avail. This file seems to be screwed up now. It's hard to believe Kontakt Player updater could do something to actually add MIDI note entry to the file. Added MIDI notes data are printed sine they will playback even when I disable HP. It sounds to me like you ran the plugin that inserts the HP data into the file. Are you certain you didn't do that? -- David W. Fentonhttp://www.bway.net/~dfenton David Fenton Associateshttp://www.bway.net/~dfassoc ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Re: [off] FinMac2005 GPO hell: Is this a bug or feature?
Whoa. I definitely don't have that in my version of the GPO Player. NI must have screwed up and accidentaly leaked a pre-release version. Anyway, for now, don't use the instruments in the Notation folder. Only use the instruments in the Dry folder. (Also make sure the Sustain/Sostenuto Pedal Mode is set to MIDI CC and #64, not #68.) - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 20 Jul 2005, at 6:34 PM, A-NO-NE Music wrote: Attached. -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com notation.png ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] FinMac2005 GPO hell: Is this a bug or feature?
--- David W. Fenton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 20 Jul 2005 at 13:19, Tyler Turner wrote: --- David W. Fenton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From what I can see, HP is just not all that useful as anything but aural proofing. If you really want to produce a MIDI performance from Finale, you have to do it the old-fashioned way. It depends on the music. I've had some composers think HP performances were real orchestral recordings. This is the exception rather than the rule, but it does indicate that context is important. Well, for me, there are too many aspects of HP changes over which I have no control, and the defaults are unacceptable (such as the excessively portato performance of non-slurred notes), so I have to turn off large areas of HP features (e.g., note length effects). This is too bad, because I really like the slurs it creates. Yep. Your mileage will vary. If you end up using GPO, you'll probably like HP's slur interpretation. It's far better than anything that could be done earlier by just extending notes so that they overlap. It's not the VSL legato, but it's the second best thing on the market in any price range. Tyler __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: Accidentals - order and spacing; bug?
Gary at tech support asked to see my problem file and after looking at it had this to say: Dear Don, Thanks for sending the file. The problem is with the Petrucci font which used to be Finale's default music font. If you change the Default Music Font to Maestro or Engraver the accidentals will nudge correctly albeit with a little stubbornness that isn't present in a new document created in Finale 2005. So, yes, the old Template is the issue and, as you now know, if you wish to keep the file in Petrucci this issue will remain. Please let me know if I can be of further help. Thanks, Gary Tech Support MakeMusic!, Inc. Coda Music Technologies Well, I'm not particularly attached to Petrucci so that's an easy fix. I didn't realize Petrucci carried that sort of baggage or I would have moved away from it exclusively a long time ago. David, maybe some of your problems are related as well, though I would expect that converting files created in older versions is more problematic than nursing along a template through the years. Don Hart on 7/20/05 3:11 PM, David W. Fenton at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 20 Jul 2005 at 14:59, Don Hart wrote: I just heard back from tech support on this and Gary said he couldn't recreate my problem. The file I was working in originated in a template put together a long time ago, so I made a new file with the set up wizard to experiment with. The behavior I reported was not present in the new file. This is the first noticeable problem (assuming this *is* the problem) that I've experienced using one of my old templates. One beta tester I know swears by making a new basic template for every upgrade (not fixits). How often do you folks on this list redo your own templates? Do any of you import any existing libraries into the new template? Any other dos, don'ts, or routines? That's all well and good, but how do you convert older files into the new version? Copy the data into a new template? We all know how well *that* works -- *NOT*. This is an area in which Finale is very, very bad, and that seems to me to have lots of bugs and inconsistencies. I encounter them constantly, simply because I've been working on some of my files since 1991. Conversion to the new version clearly does *not* convert everything. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Lyric hyphen not centered
On Jul 20, 2005, at 7:57 AM, LEE DENGLER wrote: I have a problem with some lyric hyphens not being centered between syllables. This happens only after I've gone into ADJUST SYLLABLES and manually moved one or both of the syllables either left or right. This is very annoying and I can not find a solution for it. There is no way that I know of to manually adjust the position of the hyphen. This seems like a bug to me. Has anyone else had this problem? Inability to do much of anything with the lyric hyphen has been one of my main gripes for years, though I get the impression that hardly anyone else cares much. I want to have a lot more attributes I can adjust -- including a global horizontal offset, a vertical offset, and an addend to the distance apart the two syllables have to be before the hyphen kicks in. I'd also like to be able to set the font/size/etc and character for the hyphen character. And of course I'd like to be able to type a real hyphen in a lyric that isn't treated as a lyric hyphen -- something which can be done in Windows using the non-hyphen hyphen character but isn't readily available in most Mac fonts. (The manual tells you to use an en dash, which is NOT the same.) Re your centering problem, you don't say how far off it is. If the centering is way off, I don't know what the problem is. If it's just a little bit off, in my experience ALL lyric hyphens are slightly uncentered, presumably something having to do with the font. The computer thinks it's centered, but it actually sits too close to certain letters, kind of like a kerning issue. It's particularly noticeable in close quarters where the hyphen only barely fits. Up to 2k2, which I'm still using, there's nothing you can do about it short of kludging the entire hyphen with an expression (which I've occasionally resorted to). That was before they introduced smart hyphens, so I don't know if it's any better now. mdl ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: Countertenor barred from Texas All-State Choir
On Jul 20, 2005, at 12:12 PM, Tyler Turner wrote: Without having an understanding of the full history of this issue, the measures and time needed to change the system, and the possible negative implications of doing so (for example, how many teachers are really qualified to teach a young man to do this without ruining his voice?), I don't feel I'm in a place to ridicule Texas for this. This single story obviously doesn't give us a full picture of what has happened or what is being done now. Amen. I think this thing has been blown way out of proportion. In particular, turning it into a red state issue, in which all us enlightened people insult and ridicule those stupid Middle Americans for their supposed backwardness, is way out of line. Even if this one school is doing something wrong -- and it's not clear to me that it is -- that's still no reason to malign the entire state. I can think of plenty of good reasons to want to keep a boy out of the soprano section of a choir, and likewise for keeping the girls out of the tenor section. It's possible that in this case it really is quasi-homophobia where someone disapproves of a boy singing like a girl, but I think it's more likely just a reasonable rule being applied strictly. Some of the commentary treats it as if it's a civil rights issue, like the state is denying the kid his right to sing countertenor. Hogwash. He can sing countertenor all he likes. They're just saying they don't have a spot for him in the soprano section of the school choir. If he's as good as everyone says, I'm not sure the school choir is the best place for him anyway. mdl ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: Countertenor barred from Texas All-State Choir
Mark, It's not Mike's school, it's the *all-state* choir (i.e., statewide honor choir) that ruled he was ineligible to participate based on his voice type. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: Countertenor barred from Texas All-State Choir
I can think of plenty of good reasons to want to keep a boy out of the soprano section of a choir, and likewise for keeping the girls out of the tenor section. And those reasons would be? Richard Yates ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: Accidentals - order and spacing; bug?
Don, I saw the later message from MakeMusic blaming this on the Petrucci font, but I wonder if that's really right. I'm in Fin Mac 2k2 using Maestro, and I get all the same behavior you describe. With one exception all of it seems normal to me -- normal according Finale's quirky way of applying accidental placement that I described in my last message, that is. On Jul 20, 2005, at 9:28 AM, Don Hart wrote: Here's the problem as stated in my original post: Try this: -- Enter a chord in the treble clef consisting of F sharp, G sharp up a second, C sharp up a fourth, built up from the top line F sharp. Show all three accidentals. -- Go to the Accidental Mover Tool in the Special Tools tool palette and click in the measure to bring up handles on the accidentals. -- Select the handle for the F sharp and nudge once, either left or right. When I do this the F sharp and the G sharp swap position This is the one thing that surprised me. See below. Undo that action and try on each of the other two accidentals. A nudge on the G sharp produces an expected action; nudging the C sharp moves the G sharp into a conflicting position. This is as expected. When you nudge the C sharp, you've removed it from Finale's calculation, so it places the other two sharps exactly as it would if the C sharp weren't there. Lower that example an octave and the first nudge produces a different, more severe problem, the difference seemingly predicated on stem direction and which note in the second is displaced. This, too, is as expected. You refer to it as more severe, presumably because moving the F# creates a collision, but in fact it is more normal. The F# simply nudges and does not jump, while the other sharps rearrange themselves as if the F# weren't there, exactly as I'd expected. The one thing that is odd to me is in your first example, where the F# and G# swap places. The behavior of the G# and C# is normal; they are arranging themselves as if the F# were not there, as expected. What is not expected (not expected by me, anyway) is that the F# would jump to the left of the G#, since in my experience it's only the unadjusted accidentals that jump, not the one you're nudging. So let's do an experiment. Enter a B and a C in the middle of the treble clef, and put a flat on the B. No other accidentals, just that one. Now use the accidental tool to nudge that flat. When I do that on Fin Mac 2k2, the flat hops to the left, exactly as your F# hopped to the left. What this tells me is that the algorithm that tells the accidental tool where to start an accidental when it is first nudged gets it wrong when there's a displaced notehead. Second experiment. Enter an F and G at the bottom of the treble clef, and put a sharp of the G. Not other accidentals, just that one. Now use the accidental tool to nudge that sharp. When I do that, now the accidental hops to the right. Clearly the algorithm is not figuring the displaced notehead properly. The one that automatically places the accidental gets it right, but the one that tries to smooth out the accidental tool by making the nudge start in the right place gets it wrong. So this only affect the initial nudge from zero. After that, everything is normal. I'd be curious to know if this is fixed in later versions. If anyone else tries the experiments with the single accidental, tell me if you get the same result. I really don't believe this has anything to do with Petrucci. Don, I'll be very interested to know if changing the font to Maestro changes the behavior. I'll be surprised if it does. This is a pain to deal with, a pretty good impression of inconsistent and, ultimately, unacceptable, no matter how logical it is according to Finale's algorithms. Again, NOT inconsistent. Definitely quirky, perhaps unacceptable, but not inconsistent. Thanks for pointing out this function of the clear key; I wasn't aware of it's use here. Another thing I forgot to mention. When you're in the accidental special tool, you can see at a glance which accidentals are adjusted and which are not. The unadjusted ones (ie, ones which have a zero offset value and thus are liable to rearrange themselves) have their handle on the right, while the adjusted ones have their handle on the left. Finale will arrange all the right-handle accidentals as if they were the only ones present. All left-handle accidentals will be left wherever they happen to be. mdl ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: Accidentals - order and spacing; bug?
On Jul 20, 2005, at 12:59 PM, Don Hart wrote: I just heard back from tech support on this and Gary said he couldn't recreate my problem. Funny, I was able to recreate it just fine. As I mentioned in the other post, I doubt that this is related to your template or the Petrucci font. What version of Finale are you in? mdl ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] FinMac2005 GPO hell: Is this a bug or feature?
David W. Fenton / 2005/07/20 / 06:43 PM wrote: It sounds to me like you ran the plugin that inserts the HP data into the file. Are you certain you didn't do that? Yup. Being a ex-SQA, I don't click around :-) Dercy privately confirmed I do have the unreleased version. However, I just re-downloaded the updater again, and as far as I can see, it is identical. Do you know any Mac/Unix utility that can bin-dif with touch date stamp? I don't have time to investigate or reinstall everything right now. We will see when I get a chance. -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: Accidentals - order and spacing; bug?
Mark, I'm using mac 2005a. I just now changed Petrucci to Maestro in a copy of my original file and nothing changed. I also changed Maestro to Petrucci in the test file that worked properly and it continued to be OK. Hmmm... When I have a chance I'll try to compare settings between the original and the test to see what might be causing or preventing this behavior. I'll let you know if Gary wants to rethink his position. Don Hart on 7/20/05 8:30 PM, Mark D Lew at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 20, 2005, at 12:59 PM, Don Hart wrote: I just heard back from tech support on this and Gary said he couldn't recreate my problem. Funny, I was able to recreate it just fine. As I mentioned in the other post, I doubt that this is related to your template or the Petrucci font. What version of Finale are you in? mdl ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Re: [off] FinMac2005 GPO hell: Is this a bug or feature?
Hi Hiro, You have reverted to v1.0 of the library (which is missing most of the keyswitches). I'd now try re-downloading and re-installing the 2.0 update. You can also go here to ask questions -- this board is monitored by Gary Garritan himself, and the other users know a lot more about GPO than I do. http://northernsounds.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=39 For example, trills now doesn't trill but plays the second note at note off message. This is actually a bug with the way trills work for solo strings vs. ensemble strings (solo trills are playable -- bottom note when you strike the key, top note when you release it. To get around this, don't use a keyswitch expression for solo string trills -- it should play back just fine with just the smart shape trill line. Only use the keyswitch expression for section string trills. The current July 5th installer you checked for me does have the option to install Finale Notation, does it not? I didn't see a July 5th installer, only June 15th, and when I downloaded it, it did not have the option to install Finale notation. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 21 Jul 2005, at 1:14 AM, A-NO-NE Music wrote: Darcy James Argue / 2005/07/20 / 06:47 PM wrote: Anyway, for now, don't use the instruments in the Notation folder. Only use the instruments in the Dry folder. Well, Dry/Wet doesn't have KS anymore after my latest screwed install. I think my library is deeply in trouble. I reinstalled the original GPO from CD but there is no Remove option within the installer, I bet something is totally screwed up now, on both AlBook and G5. Stoopid I ran updater on both machines :-( Here is where I am about. Notation is gone from the menu since I rolled back, but all the KS are screwed. This is without Finale, just GPO alone. For example, trills now doesn't trill but plays the second note at note off message. Pretty weird. But this is the change after I ran that Finale Notation installer. I probably should call NI tomorrow, but I was wondering if you know any file is doing this. I manually removed all the possible files before running the original install, but obviously I missed something. The current July 5th installer you checked for me does have the option to install Finale Notation, does it not? I think that screwed my library. Do you get all the trills and tremoro stuff OK with that installer? If you are doing OK, I think I have more problems. (Also make sure the Sustain/Sostenuto Pedal Mode is set to MIDI CC and #64, not #68.) I can set to MIDI CC but there is no option to select #64, tho. This is within GPO, yes? Thanks for your help! Nighty night! -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
