[Finale] Font issues in Mac OS X 10.15

[Eric Dannewitz]

Yes, I’m running the beta. Finale works, but I’ve noticed my Articulations font 
(Bill Duncan) do not display nor print anymore.

In Font Book it displays the font properly.

Hopefully this will be fixed soon…...
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Re: [Finale] Plug ins

[Eric Dannewitz]

Jw change

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> On Jun 23, 2019, at 1:44 PM, Martin Nickless  wrote:
> 
> Hi thanks very much did you send the plug-in for hairpins and dynamics unless 
> I missed it thank you again
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 23 Jun 2019, at 20:14, Eric Dannewitz  wrote:
>> 
>> http://finaletips.nu/index.php/download/category/44-64-bit-mac-plug-ins
>> 
>> Free?
>> 
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>> http://www.ericdannewitz.com
>> 
>>> On Jun 23, 2019, at 12:12 PM, Martin Nickless  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Sorry to ask a simple question 
>>> Can somebody send the link to JW plug-ins
>>> Hair pins 
>>> 
>>> Also what is the. Current cost ?
>>> Many thanks 
>>> Martin
>>> 
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Re: [Finale] Plug ins

[Eric Dannewitz]

http://finaletips.nu/index.php/download/category/44-64-bit-mac-plug-ins

Free?

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> On Jun 23, 2019, at 12:12 PM, Martin Nickless  wrote:
> 
> Sorry to ask a simple question 
> Can somebody send the link to JW plug-ins
> Hair pins 
> 
> Also what is the. Current cost ?
> Many thanks 
> Martin
> 
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Re: [Finale] Sale: Dorico Pro 2 and Dorico Elements 2

[Eric Dannewitz]

Yes, I would agree too. TGTools and other plugins make Finale perfectly fine 
for doing music.

And it doesn’t require some stupid dongle to run on multiple computer.


> On Jan 31, 2019, at 1:37 PM, Robert Patterson  
> wrote:
> 
> It seems as though the point of my plugin post is being lost. The point was
> that with 3rd-party plugins you can design a work flow in Finale that is
> highly efficient. That Dorico can achieve comparable efficiency out of the
> box is to its credit, but my point is that it is quite possible to achieve
> a similar level of efficiency with Finale. Doing so requires thought,
> planning and, above all, 3rd-party plugins.
> 
> What you absolutely *can't* do in Finale is multi-turn slurs like Dorico
> apparently has. And that is one (among many) failures of Coda
> Music/MakeMusic to show leadership. They could have implemented multi-turn
> slurs 15 years ago and been an industry first mover. I know because I
> suggested it then and at regular intervals since. This is but one example.
> 
> Nevertheless I would also dispute that the current dev staff at Makemusic
> lacks commitment or talent. On the contrary, my dealings with them reveal a
> talented staff that knows the code base and is committed to improving it.
> If there are leadership problems at Makemusic, they are higher up than the
> developer staff I deal with.

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Re: [Finale] What's the Equivalent to Finale Notepad?

[Eric Dannewitz]

Musescore is a great program. It is constantly making leaps in its development.



> On Nov 8, 2018, at 2:39 PM, David H. Bailey  wrote:
> 
> Musescore is totally free, very capable and if you install it on your 
> computer you can simply view your students' assignments without a need for 
> them to save them as musicxml for you to open in Finale.
> 
> There isn't a free program that saves in Finale file format besides NotePad, 
> and as you point out that's only a Windows program.  So the best free option 
> is for all of you to install and use MuseScore for your assignments.
> 
> David H. Bailey
> 
> On 11/8/2018 5:15 PM, Giovanni Andreani wrote:
>> Some of my students will have to undertake a series of composing activities 
>> they’ll then email me for evaluation. While working at their own homes I 
>> always required they installed Finale NotePad, free to use and - although 
>> with its limitation - more than adequate for the case. Unfortunately, 
>> NotePad is not available for Mac and not all the students have Windows PC 
>> so, I’m asking if there’s any way, any free product, compatible with Finale 
>> for the Mac users (and eventually the Win users as well),  to solve this 
>> issue?
>> 
>> Giovanni Andreani
>> www.giovanniandreani.com 
>> www.ga-music.com
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Re: [Finale] Finale 26 -- Opinions?

[Eric Dannewitz]

He ask ME the question. I answered back I don’t use bill fonts on a windows 
machine.

Who died and put you in charge?

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> On Oct 14, 2018, at 2:01 PM, David H. Bailey  wrote:
> 
>> On 10/14/2018 4:46 PM, Eric Dannewitz wrote:
>> Nothing “silly” there. Just stating a fact. I have no clue where the file 
>> locations for FInale in Windows would be.
> 
> Then don't answer the question.  Making it seem as if he has made a poor 
> decision to use both Finale and Windows does nobody any good.  Has your reply 
> really moved Martin closer to a solution to his problem?
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Re: [Finale] Finale 26 -- Opinions?

[Eric Dannewitz]

Nothing “silly” there. Just stating a fact. I have no clue where the file 
locations for FInale in Windows would be.



> On Oct 14, 2018, at 1:44 PM, David H. Bailey  wrote:
> 
> On 10/14/2018 12:52 PM, Eric Dannewitz wrote:
>> Don’t use windows and finale so..sorry.
> 
> Please don't start that silly argument.  Again.
> 
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Re: [Finale] Finale 26 -- Opinions?

[Eric Dannewitz]

Don’t use windows and finale so..sorry.



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> On Oct 14, 2018, at 2:52 AM, Martin Nickless  wrote:
> 
> Hi Eric  Bill Duncan software 
> Very sorry to be completely Dumb here
> I have loaded the fonts but now can’t find them
> Could you give me a dummies guide
> Perhaps a few screen shots 
> Move libraries to libraries folder ( not sure how to get there ) is that from 
> windows to finale ?
> Start new doc !! ... do you mean open a new template in finale ?
> 
> Load libraries In file menu in finale 
> Thank you again for your help 
> And sorry for being slow 
> Best
> Martin 
> I’m on finale 25
> Windows 10
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 13 Oct 2018, at 16:56, Christopher Smith  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> The only thing missing from this would be the metatool assignments, which 
>> would be present in the included templates. I don’t care for the included 
>> templates, though, so I would manually assign the metatools after following 
>> Eric’s advice.
>> 
>> Christopher
>> 
>>> On Oct 13, 2018, at 11:27 AM, Eric Dannewitz  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Have windows install the fonts 
>>> 
>>> Move libraries to your libraries folder
>>> 
>>> Start new doc.
>>> 
>>> Load libraries 
>>> 
>>> Enjoy
>>> 
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>>> 
>>>> On Oct 13, 2018, at 1:04 AM, Martin Nickless  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi to all
>>>> Does anybody have any help they could give me on setting up the Bill 
>>>> Duncan 
>>>> Fonts etc
>>>> I purchased it and was able to download the files but that’s where it ends 
>>>> I did contact them but they didn’t know either!!
>>>> if anybody is familiar with the process that would  be  fantastic 
>>>> I’m on finale 25 using Windows 10 very best and thanks again Martin
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On 13 Oct 2018, at 04:32, Girard Bowe  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks, Chuck - you're right. There are some problems with the Jazz 
>>>>> articulations, too. The tenuto has a blob on it, the staccato doesn’t 
>>>>> space properly, and the fermata is just plain ugly.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I should have spent that $150 on the Bill Duncan set instead of Finale 26.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Giz 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>> From: Finale [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of Cisraels
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2018 6:21 PM
>>>>> To: Finale 
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Finale] Finale 26 -- Opinions?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I think you’d want the articulation font as well.   
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> There are jazz articulations that look appropriate with Maestro. Using 
>>>>> Jazz font articulations with Maestro looks awful and that discrepancy was 
>>>>> why Bill made the articulations (for Greg Hamilton and me).   
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> There’s lots in the package Nick sells you don’t normally need,but I’d be 
>>>>> unhappy to lose the things mentioned above and the use of the chord font 
>>>>> for slashes and rhythmic notation.   
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Jazz charts look much better with them.   
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Chuck   
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>&g

Re: [Finale] Finale 26 -- Opinions?

[Eric Dannewitz]

Have windows install the fonts 

Move libraries to your libraries folder

Start new doc.

Load libraries 

Enjoy

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> On Oct 13, 2018, at 1:04 AM, Martin Nickless  wrote:
> 
> Hi to all
> Does anybody have any help they could give me on setting up the Bill Duncan 
> Fonts etc
> I purchased it and was able to download the files but that’s where it ends I 
> did contact them but they didn’t know either!!
> if anybody is familiar with the process that would  be  fantastic 
> I’m on finale 25 using Windows 10 very best and thanks again Martin
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 13 Oct 2018, at 04:32, Girard Bowe  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks, Chuck - you're right. There are some problems with the Jazz 
>> articulations, too. The tenuto has a blob on it, the staccato doesn’t space 
>> properly, and the fermata is just plain ugly.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I should have spent that $150 on the Bill Duncan set instead of Finale 26.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Giz 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Finale [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of Cisraels
>> Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2018 6:21 PM
>> To: Finale 
>> Subject: Re: [Finale] Finale 26 -- Opinions?
>> 
>> 
>> 
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>> 
>> I think you’d want the articulation font as well.   
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>> 
>> 
>> There are jazz articulations that look appropriate with Maestro. Using Jazz 
>> font articulations with Maestro looks awful and that discrepancy was why 
>> Bill made the articulations (for Greg Hamilton and me).   
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> There’s lots in the package Nick sells you don’t normally need,but I’d be 
>> unhappy to lose the things mentioned above and the use of the chord font for 
>> slashes and rhythmic notation.   
>> 
>> 
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>> 
>> Jazz charts look much better with them.   
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>> Chuck   
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>> Chuck Israels
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>>  <mailto:cisra...@comcast.net> cisra...@comcast.net ( 
>> <mailto:cisra...@comcast.net> mailto:cisra...@comcast.net)
>> 
>> (360) 201-3434 (  tel:(360)%20201-3434)
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>> 8831 SE 12th Ave.
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>>>> On Oct 11, 2018 at 11:26 AM,  >>> <mailto:girard.b...@verizon.net> mailto:girard.b...@verizon.net)>  wrote:
>>> 
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>>> 
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>>> 
>> 
>>> I've considered doing just that, but unfortunately, the Bill Duncan fonts 
>>> are part of an expensive package. All I would really want is the chord 
>>> library. That doesn't seem to be an option on the NPC site.
>> 
>>> 
>> 
>>> Giz
>> 
>>> 
>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>> 
>>> From: Finale [ <mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu> 
>>> mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of Eric Dannewitz
>> 
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2018 1:56 PM
>> 
>>> To:  <mailto:finale@shsu.edu> finale@shsu.edu
>> 
>>> Subject: Re: [Finale] Finale 26 -- Opinions?
>> 
>>> 
>> 
>>> Jazz Font is a terrible font. You should switch to Bill Duncan’s 
>>> articulation font and use Maestro.  
>> 
>>> 
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Re: [Finale] Finale 26 and TGTools 3.00

[Eric Dannewitz]

Does it not work with version 26?

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> On Oct 12, 2018, at 5:54 AM, Steve Gruver  wrote:
> 
> Has anyone been successful with TGTools v3 getting to work with Finale 26?
> 
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Re: [Finale] Finale 26 -- Opinions?

[Eric Dannewitz]

Jazz Font is a terrible font. You should switch to Bill Duncan’s articulation 
font and use Maestro.



> On Oct 11, 2018, at 10:54 AM, Girard Bowe  wrote:
> 
> Here is my response to a thread I started on the Finale Forum
>  on-dots>  regarding the spacing of the eighth-rest dot in JazzFont:
> 
> 
> 
> "Well, here it is, 2 years since my post on this thread, and 11  years since
> Christopher Smith reported this bug, and with yet another new release, this
> bug remains. Finale 26 is an extremely thin improvement, and woefully short
> in bug fixes. I wish I could get my money back. I think this will be my last
> Finale upgrade. Also, where is the promised alternative to JazzFont, which
> has some truly ugly characters? Is there a reason there is no shortcut to
> the Jazz character map in the Help dropdown menu? Is there any improvement
> to creating mix-font enclosures? Does ANYBODY from Finale care?"
> 
> 
> 
> I'm curious what bug fixes have been made that users on this list have found
> in Finale 26, and what bug fixes you're still waiting for.
> 
> 
> 
> GizB
> 
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Re: [Finale] Finale and Yosemite

[Eric Dannewitz]

Your Mac can probably go up to 10.11. I’d upgrade to that.

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> On Sep 6, 2018, at 4:24 AM, Lawrence David Eden  wrote:
> 
> Try this link, Linda:
> 
> 
> https://www.scoringnotes.com/news/makemusic-releases-version-25-of-finale/
> 
> 
>> On Sep 5, 2018, at 6:22 PM, Linda Cummings  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello friends -
>> 
>> Some ten years ago I was active on this list! Now I'm getting back into
>> Finale, but my old Macbook is running Yosemite. Will Finale 25 run on
>> Yosemite?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
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Re: [Finale] Fonts

[Eric Dannewitz]

Sounds like you are missing a font.

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> On Aug 31, 2018, at 6:17 AM, Lawrence David Eden  wrote:
> 
> I recently used Finale 25 to open a file that was created with Finale Mac 
> 2K7.  
> Text instructions that I used in the file are now displaying as a series of  
> boxes with a  "?"   in the middle of each box.
> 
> Am I correct in thinking that I have a font issue?
> 
> How can I get these expressions to display correctly in Finale 25?
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
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Re: [Finale] printing advice

[Eric Dannewitz]

Ugh, why not just buy a new printer

https://store.hp.com/us/en/pdp/hp-laserjet-pro-m203dw-printer

1200 dpi and can be bought for $120 or so. Probably would save on electricity 
bills compared to that tank 5000 printer

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> On Apr 28, 2018, at 7:52 AM, Williams, Jim  
> wrote:
> 
> Isn’t the 5000 a 1200 dpi printer? I bought two of them for $25, mixed & 
> matched parts, replaced one separator pad and got a workhorse. I could swear 
> it’s 1200 dpi...
> Does anyone have trouble with the duplexer jamming? If so, is there a good 
> fix? 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos.
> 
>> On Apr 28, 2018, at 10:10 AM, Chuck Israels  wrote:
>> 
>> And I forgot another thing: there is a way (in the menus on the printer 
>> settings) to have the printer print a page that has its IP address (it 
>> sometimes randomly generates a new one). Don’t remember where that is, but 
>> there is printer setting that prints out a page with "Printer Information”.  
>> I keep a copy of the IP address it prints out taped to the side of the 
>> printer so I can tell the Mac where it is, if it doesn’t find it 
>> automatically.
>> 
>> Every time something like this happens and I think I need a new printer, a 
>> cure turns up and the HP 5000N soldiers on.
>> 
>> For B large format — others have recommended a Ricoh model, but I am still 
>> using the HP.
>> 
>> Chuck
>> 
>>> On Apr 28, 2018, at 6:57 AM, Robert Patterson  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I think Chuck's suggestion of dropping and re-adding the printer is the
>>> right first step. It looks like HP has stopped supporting the 5000. If
>>> dropping and re-adding it doesn't work (as Chuck suggested), I have some
>>> further suggestions.
>>> 
>>> 1) Download the appropriate driver from the hp website and reinstall it. It
>>> looks like your driver may not have been updated since macOS 10.6. But it
>>> still might work.
>>> 
>>> 2) Create a virtual machine of a lower macOS version and print from there.
>>> I did this for years with my previous large-format printer, which ceased to
>>> function correctly starting with Mavericks. Considering my usage patterns,
>>> for me it was not a noticeable hardship to start up the virtual for a print
>>> job.
>>> 
>>> 3) If you are in the mood for a new printer, I just bought a HP Color
>>> Laserjet CP5225 that I am very happy with. With the manual feeder I can go
>>> as large as 12.5"x18.5". (The tray goes up to 11x17.) It is not super-fast,
>>> but the results are so much better than my previous printer which had been
>>> slowly dying for a number of years. (And it isn't any slower than that one
>>> was.) Plus it does color! It's not great for photo printing, but for adding
>>> color accents to a document it is perfect. It is larger and heavier than I
>>> would like. If I live long enough to replace it, I probably won't try to
>>> move it again by myself. It really needs two people to lift it safely.
>>> 
>>> Final note: if you order a CP5225, make sure you get the one that has an
>>> automatic duplexer. You have to manually duplex oversize (larger than
>>> 11x17) sheets, but it is very handy for 11x17 and smaller, and it adds
>>> almost no additional cost.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Sat, Apr 28, 2018 at 8:25 AM, dfr...@smcm.edu  wrote:
 
 Hello all,
 I’ve been using an HP5000 printer for a very long time. It still works
 great. I installed a card that allowed it to print via ethernet (so, in
 essence, it is a HP5000N). It is a 600dpi, large-format, laser printer.
 
 I use a MacBook, running Sierra (not High Sierra). Suddenly, with the last
 system upgrade from Apple (to 10.12.6), the printer is no longer found.
 
 Is anyone on the list using a setup similar to mine, who experienced the
 same problem and has a solution?
 
 Or, perhaps, could someone make recommendations for a reliable printer
 that can print up to 12x18?
 
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Re: [Finale] Cutepdf & Finale

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If you had a mac you wouldn’t have an issue.

You could print them to postscript and use something like ps2pdf.com 
 to convert them.

> On Jan 11, 2018, at 8:00 AM, Girard Bowe  wrote:
> 
> Now it appear that Finale isn't printing to hard copy, either.
> 
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> Subject: [Finale] Cutepdf & Finale
> 
> Well, after creating dozens of pdf's to load to my tablet, Cutepdf has
> stopped working with Finale. It works in other applications. Any thoughts or
> advice or recommendations for other free pdf readers? 
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Re: [Finale] Accessing 64-bit on Macs

[Eric Dannewitz]

How does one do that? Mac programs don’t let you tell it how much memory to 
use. Unless you are talking about cache size for the aria player. 

A LOT of slow down can be prevented by either moving everything to solid state 
disks (SSDs) or put your samples on a separate disk than your system.


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> On Sep 1, 2017, at 5:24 PM, Howey, Henry  wrote:
> 
> I work on both Mac and PC.
> 
> And my files ain't small.
> 
> On a Mac with 25, a file that played easily would not start. I had an error 
> message that I've forgotten.
> 
> Anyhow, the solution turned out to be increasing the RAM access in the ARIA 
> PLAYER.
> 
> I see a lot of folks on Facebook complaining about a slowdown on even new 
> Macs.
> 
> I see no slowdowns.
> 
> What about list members?
> 
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Re: [Finale] what other fonts did you use ca. 2000?

[Eric Dannewitz]

Sonata 



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> On Aug 19, 2017, at 3:18 PM, SN jef chippewa <shirl...@newmusicnotation.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> 
> for those who were doing *contemporary* notation what were the fonts 
> you used to supplement your arsenal of default fonts?
> 
> the key ones, as far as i remember were:
> Fughetta and Tamburo
> Toccata
> Ghent Percussion
> MIDIDesign
> 
> any others?  with links to PDF character charts if possible.
> 
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Re: [Finale] TGTools in Finale 25

[Eric Dannewitz]

I would imagine. Dual monitors on Mac doesn’t not seem to be a problem with 
TGTools or Finale 25


> On Jun 21, 2017, at 9:26 AM, Rafael Leonardo Junchaya <rjunch...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Nice. I guess that Windows 10 is somewhat responsible here
> 
> On 21 June 2017 at 19:12, Eric Dannewitz <ericd...@jazz-sax.com> wrote:
> 
>> Again, works fine on a Mac with TGTools 3 and Finale 25
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 21, 2017, at 9:11 AM, Rafael Leonardo Junchaya <
>> rjunch...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> It seems that this situation is linked to the use of two monitors. The
>>> TGTools function windows show up off the screens, off both of them.
>> Tobias
>>> showed me how to move them back to the screen but the issue is there
>>> everytime. Has anyone else using two monitors experienced something
>> similar
>>> with this tool or any other?
>>> 
>>> R.
>>> 
>>> On 19 June 2017 at 18:00, Rafael Leonardo Junchaya <rjunch...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> No other version than 3 works with Finale 25. I have stated I have
>>>> v.3.00rc2, which I bought some months ago.
>>>> 
>>>> R.
>>>> 
>>>> On 18 June 2017 at 20:35, Steve Gruver <gruve...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> You must purchase v 3.0, which is almost out of Beta.  Earlier
>> versions of
>>>>> TGtools are not compatible.
>>>>> 
>>>>> http://www.tgtools.com/downdocs.htm
>>>>> 
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Re: [Finale] TGTools in Finale 25

[Eric Dannewitz]

Again, works fine on a Mac with TGTools 3 and Finale 25


> On Jun 21, 2017, at 9:11 AM, Rafael Leonardo Junchaya  
> wrote:
> 
> It seems that this situation is linked to the use of two monitors. The
> TGTools function windows show up off the screens, off both of them. Tobias
> showed me how to move them back to the screen but the issue is there
> everytime. Has anyone else using two monitors experienced something similar
> with this tool or any other?
> 
> R.
> 
> On 19 June 2017 at 18:00, Rafael Leonardo Junchaya 
> wrote:
> 
>> No other version than 3 works with Finale 25. I have stated I have
>> v.3.00rc2, which I bought some months ago.
>> 
>> R.
>> 
>> On 18 June 2017 at 20:35, Steve Gruver  wrote:
>> 
>>> You must purchase v 3.0, which is almost out of Beta.  Earlier versions of
>>> TGtools are not compatible.
>>> 
>>> http://www.tgtools.com/downdocs.htm
>>> 
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Re: [Finale] TGTools in Finale 25

[Eric Dannewitz]

Works fine on the Mac version of Finale 25


> On Jun 16, 2017, at 10:14 AM, Rafael Leonardo Junchaya  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi, has anyone experienced issues with TGTools v.3rc2 or beta in Finale
> 25(.1 or .3)? Mine is not reacting apparently (or maybe it reacts but
> nothing visible is happening) and I cannot use the tools I've been used to
> for decades. It was ok until Fin 2014.5 but the new 64bit version is not
> working for me. I am aware there were issues with the shortkeys but
> apparently that has been corrected. This is somewhat more serios as almost
> no option from the menu seems to be working.
> 
> I have asked Tobias but while I'm awaiting for an answer I'd like to know
> if anyone has experienced anything similar. I have Finale 25,3 in a HP with
> Intel i5and Windows 10, of course 64bit.
> 
> Thanks
> 
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Re: [Finale] Finale Digest, Vol 165, Issue 1

[Eric Dannewitz]

Applications/Finale.app


> On Apr 3, 2017, at 10:19 AM, Kim Richmond  wrote:
> 
> Hey guys,
>   I just got the new Finale, downloaded it, installed it, but now can’t 
> find it. How can I open it?
> All the best,
> KIM R
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Re: [Finale] REPEAT SIGN INSIDE A BAR

[Eric Dannewitz]

So, if it is a 4/4 bar, I’d make it two 2/4 bars (or a 3/4 and a 1/4), and hide 
the time signatures and put the repeat in where you need it.


> On Mar 29, 2017, at 6:40 AM, dr.a.s. weinstangel  wrote:
> 
> Dear all;
> 
> 
> Never encountered this little problem before:
> 
> 
> How would you go about placing a repeat sign in the middle of a measure?
> 
> 
> TIA for your help.
> 
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Re: [Finale] Third party big band fonts

[Eric Dannewitz]

I don’t like the JazzFont. I remember buying before MakeMusic bought it and 
included it with Finale. It was cool at the time, but that was the 90s. 

I really have stuck with the Articulations font that the late great Bill Duncan 
put together for Finale. It has all the articulations one needs, and you get to 
use Maestro font. Doesn’t get much better than that.



> On Mar 10, 2017, at 4:52 PM, Girard Bowe <girard.b...@verizon.net> wrote:
> 
> Pretty sure the Maria Schneider book is in JazzFont. I don't care for B'way 
> Copyist, either. I use JazzFont for notation and Dom Casual for text & 
> chords. There are some problems with JazzFont, and supposedly MakeMusic (or 
> whatever) is looking at an alternative; they can't alter the JF, probably for 
> proprietary issues.
> 
> GizB
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> 
> -Original Message-
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> Subject: Re: [Finale] Third party big band fonts
> 
> Have an example perhaps? The stuff I’ve seen seems to be JazzFont to me
> 
> 
>> On Mar 10, 2017, at 4:37 PM, Martin Nickless <mnnickl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hi there could somebody suggest or recommend A third party big band 
>> font That would look hip for example if anybody has the Maria 
>> Schneider book of scores they look great I believe they were produced 
>> in Finale Not keen on Broadway copyist
>> 
>> Thanks for any help
>> Martin
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Re: [Finale] Third party big band fonts

[Eric Dannewitz]

I don’t see that on the finale blog

got a link?

> On Mar 10, 2017, at 4:47 PM, Martin Nickless <mnnickl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Yes as I say the Maria Schneider book of scores
> On the Finale Blogg there were examples from the library of the Budman/Levy 
> big and .. Check that out very neat 
> M
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On 11 Mar 2017, at 00:44, Eric Dannewitz <ericd...@jazz-sax.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Have an example perhaps? The stuff I’ve seen seems to be JazzFont to me
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 10, 2017, at 4:37 PM, Martin Nickless <mnnickl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi there could somebody suggest or recommend 
>>> A third party big band font  
>>> That would look hip for example if anybody has the Maria Schneider book of 
>>> scores they look great
>>> I believe they were produced in Finale 
>>> Not keen on Broadway copyist 
>>> 
>>> Thanks for any help
>>> Martin
>>> 
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Re: [Finale] Third party big band fonts

[Eric Dannewitz]

Have an example perhaps? The stuff I’ve seen seems to be JazzFont to me


> On Mar 10, 2017, at 4:37 PM, Martin Nickless  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi there could somebody suggest or recommend 
> A third party big band font  
> That would look hip for example if anybody has the Maria Schneider book of 
> scores they look great
> I believe they were produced in Finale 
> Not keen on Broadway copyist 
> 
> Thanks for any help
> Martin
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Re: [Finale] Printer question

[Eric Dannewitz]

The one I listed, I have yet to have any issues with it. And it does double 
sided as well. Not sure how much the toners and stuff are for it yet though.


> On Jan 17, 2017, at 10:08 AM, Michael Wittenburg <delius...@outlook.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> I, too, have a Brother laser printer; I got the duplexing one. This has ended 
> any and all trips to Kinkos for me, and I'm even not afraid if someone sends 
> me a whole score to print out; this will handle it.
> 
> 
> I will say that my model (HL-L234DDW) had a habit of going into "deep sleep" 
> when I was running it in wireless mode, and would become unresponsive to new 
> print jobs. By plugging it back in to my desktop with a USB cable, it seems 
> to have stopped that from happening. It should still receive "air printing" 
> requests, though, since it's recognized by my network.
> 
> 
> This is definitely under $100; you can snag it sometimes for around $80.
> 
> Michael Wittenburg
> 
> 
> Sent from Outlook<http://aka.ms/weboutlook>
> 
> 
> 
> From: Jazz-sax <ericd...@jazz-sax.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2017 9:42 AM
> To: finale@shsu.edu
> Subject: Re: [Finale] Printer question
> 
> Maybe this? I have it and it's a great little printer
> 
> http://9to5toys.com/2017/01/16/brother-laser-printer-bh-deal/
> 
> 
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>> On Jan 17, 2017, at 4:03 AM, Andrew Levin <ale...@clemson.edu> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, all,
>> 
>> I have a general question about printers:
>> 
>> My old HP 4000N is finally seeing its last days. It's been a great workhorse 
>> for a long time. I originally paid about $1300, and I recall needing/wanting 
>> Postscript printing for Finale, networking for my home network, monochrome 
>> (color might be fun but I don't have a regular need for it), laser printing, 
>> and decent resolution (600x600). I'll print maybe 100-200 pages a week at 
>> most.
>> 
>> My needs are modest - letter and legal size, decent speed, decent output 
>> (I'm not a publisher). I don't need Postscript for Finale, right? I can add 
>> a new printer to my network via USB and share it with my son's computer 
>> (we're an Apple household) or even make it available wirelessly. Resolution 
>> and print speed seem to match or exceed my trusty HP. The new printers even 
>> provide the ability to print from my mobile devices which, though not 
>> necessary, is handy; and at less than $100, the price is right.
>> 
>> Am I missing something? Can these inexpensive printers satisfy my needs? 
>> I've seen the output and print speed and I'm pretty impressed. If I did 
>> spend more money, what more would I get for it?
>> 
>> My priority is getting a printer for Finale (thus my query to the Finale 
>> List). Thanks in advance for your comments.
>> 
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Re: [Finale] Finale 25

[Eric Dannewitz]

Indeed. 

Coming from 2012 Finale it would be a huge improvement.

> On Nov 28, 2016, at 5:46 PM, Robert Patterson <rob...@robertgpatterson.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> There are some quite useful changes since Fin12. For me, the most important
> is beat-attached smart shapes. This is quite a significant improvement if
> you use linked parts. There is also a key bug fix since Fin12 that is
> important if you use plugins in part view. I think there is more, but I
> can't think of it at the moment.
> 
> On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 7:24 PM, Mike Greensill <m...@mikegreensill.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> "But even so, feature-wise there is virtually no difference between 14.5
>> and
>> 25." Robert
>> 
>> Hardly seems worth it even for $99...especially when I'm quite happy with
>> 2012.
>> 
>> Love
>> 
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>> 
>> On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 3:04 PM, Robert Patterson <
>> rob...@robertgpatterson.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> The TGTools Mac 64-bit beta is definitely better than the TGTools Mac
>> beta
>>> for Fin14.5.
>>> 
>>> My experience is that human playback is MUCH faster to start in 25 than
>>> 14.5.
>>> 
>>> I haven't seen the crash on exit.
>>> 
>>> But even so, feature-wise there is virtually no difference between 14.5
>> and
>>> 25. The main one I can think of (besides some playback tweaks) is that
>> time
>>> signatures can be hidden/show separately in score and part.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 4:51 PM, Eric Dannewitz <ericd...@jazz-sax.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I noticed it was faster than 2014.5 and that TGTools 64 bit seemed to
>>> work
>>>> better.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Nov 28, 2016, at 2:38 PM, Steve Parker <st...@pinkrat.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> The time signature dialogue can finally be clicked again, rather
>> than
>>>> dragged (as in versions up to 2014), but the key signature dialogue
>>> (which
>>>> was fine) can now not be clicked and has to be dragged.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Further to this, the key sig box does have clickable arrows, but not
>>>> when setting up from a template.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Steve P.
>>>>> 
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Re: [Finale] Finale 25

[Eric Dannewitz]

I noticed it was faster than 2014.5 and that TGTools 64 bit seemed to work 
better.


> On Nov 28, 2016, at 2:38 PM, Steve Parker  wrote:
> 
> 
>> The time signature dialogue can finally be clicked again, rather than 
>> dragged (as in versions up to 2014), but the key signature dialogue (which 
>> was fine) can now not be clicked and has to be dragged.
> 
> Further to this, the key sig box does have clickable arrows, but not when 
> setting up from a template.
> 
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Re: [Finale] Monday sale

[Eric Dannewitz]

Besides being 64bit and version 3, what other things are different in TGTools 
for Finale 25? Other than the steep upgrade price?



> On Nov 26, 2016, at 11:29 PM, dc  wrote:
> 
> Many thanks, Robert, for your reply.
> 
> Le 26/11/2016 14:48, Robert Patterson écrit :
>> I'd need to know your specific use case to
>> comment on how you might go about it.
> 
> I use the staff list manager after the general layout of the score on 
> the pages is determined, to adjust the space between the staves in some 
> or all of the systems.
> 
> If I have a page with one less system, for instance, I might add a 
> little space between the staves of all the systems of the page, to 
> reduce the gap between the systems.
> 
> Or, for individual systems, I might need to add space here and there if 
> things are too crowded (ledger lines, ties, expressions, etc. that can 
> require more space than usual). And then perhaps reduce the spacing to 
> compensate (around an empty staff, for instance).
> 
> What is the tool for this if TGT doesn't work?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
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Re: [Finale] Monday sale

[Eric Dannewitz]

10.9 can run 64 bit apps. You can check to see what your system is running by 
opening terminal and doing “uname -a”

RELEASE_X86_64 x86_64 means 64 bit is running
RELEASE_I386 i386 is 32 bit.

I’m sorta stuck on 10.9 due to a graphics card issue……i’d have to spend some $$ 
to get a new graphics card.



> On Nov 25, 2016, at 3:07 PM, Mike Greensill  wrote:
> 
> I'm thinking of doing it toobut what I can't seem to find is info on
> the system requirements. I'm still on 10.9.5. Is that too old for 64 bit?
> 
> Love
> 
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> 
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> 
> On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 11:54 AM, Dean Rosenthal 
> wrote:
> 
>> Hello -
>> 
>> Finale is having their "Cyber Monday" - Finale is $99. Worth the upgrade
>> from 2014.5? If so, why? Also, is the scanning music in feature using TIFFs
>> gone - will look that up. Thanks for your input.
>> 
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Re: [Finale] Monday sale

[Eric Dannewitz]

10.10 or above only.

That’s one reason why I haven’t updated.


> On Nov 25, 2016, at 3:07 PM, Mike Greensill  wrote:
> 
> I'm thinking of doing it toobut what I can't seem to find is info on
> the system requirements. I'm still on 10.9.5. Is that too old for 64 bit?
> 
> Love
> 
> Mike G.
> 
> www.mikegreensill.com
> 
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> home - 707 967 9491
> 
> On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 11:54 AM, Dean Rosenthal 
> wrote:
> 
>> Hello -
>> 
>> Finale is having their "Cyber Monday" - Finale is $99. Worth the upgrade
>> from 2014.5? If so, why? Also, is the scanning music in feature using TIFFs
>> gone - will look that up. Thanks for your input.
>> 
>> Dean
>> 
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Re: [Finale] Install Finale 2010 on Mac OS Siera 10.12

[Eric Dannewitz]

It might run, or it might not run. There are a lot of “under the hood” changes 
in every update of MacOS, and since 2010 Finale came out around when 10.6 or 
10.7 was around, then I wouldn’t really be sure that it’s going to function 
correctly. 

The installer probably won’t run, so you are probably going to have to use 
migration assistant to get it on.

The other problem is that Macs are sort build for a certain version of the OS 
and beyond, and you can’t really (without a lot of hacking) get a newer system 
to run the older OS. Display drivers, hardware drivers, etc, are not available 
for them.

So……..

I think probably up to 10.8 would run Finale 2010. Maybe 10.9. 

Your best bet would be to make a VM with 10.7 on it and use that.

But the bigger question is WHY stick with 2010 Finale? You have a new iMac. You 
just spent $2K on something and don’t want to move your software into the new 
age?

> On Nov 10, 2016, at 9:59 AM, Michael Dutka <mikedu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Folks, thanks so much for the response. Much appreciated.
> 
> Just to make sure I understand, when you say Finale 2010 isn't supported on
> Mac Sierra, is that like Windows XP is no longer supported (but still works
> fine)?
> 
> Or if I try to install 2010 on Sierra, will it just not work?
> 
> If that's the case, does anyone know the most recent Mac OS 2010 will run
> on?
> 
> Thanks,
>  Mike
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2016 22:22:36 +0100
>> From: Darcy James Argue <djar...@icloud.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Finale] Install Finale 2010 on Mac OS Siera 10.12
>> To: finale@shsu.edu
>> Message-ID: <etpan.581f9f1d.402693cf@icloud.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>> 
>> Hi Mike,
>> 
>> All new Macs come with macOS Sierra and it?s not possible to install an
> older OS. Finale 2010 is definitely not supported on Sierra. If you buy a
> new Mac you will also need to upgrade to Finale v25.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> ? DJA
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>> Message: 2
>> Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2016 13:28:15 -0800
>> From: Eric Dannewitz <ericd...@jazz-sax.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Finale] Install Finale 2010 on Mac OS Siera 10.12
>> To: finale@shsu.edu
>> Message-ID: <b8a92615-e2a6-4f95-ae4a-97b9f87cf...@jazz-sax.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>> 
>> You might be able to use migration assistant to migrate over applications
> and users from an older Mac, but I?d say you should probably upgrade to
> Finale 2014.5 at least.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 6, 2016, at 1:22 PM, Darcy James Argue <djar...@icloud.com>
> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Mike,
>>> 
>>> All new Macs come with macOS Sierra and it?s not possible to install an
> older OS. Finale 2010 is definitely not supported on Sierra. If you buy a
> new Mac you will also need to upgrade to Finale v25.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> ? DJA
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>>> 
>>> From: Michael Dutka <mikedu...@gmail.com>
>>> Reply: finale@shsu.edu <finale@shsu.edu>
>>> Date: November 5, 2016 at 7:13:27 PM
>>> To: finale@shsu.edu <finale@shsu.edu>
>>> Subject:  [Finale] Install Finale 2010 on Mac OS Siera 10.12
>>> 
>>> Hi folks. Want to buy a new computer, but don't want to upgrade to
> Finale
>>> 2012 (it doesn't back up as well as 2010) or 2014 (reading what you-all
> say
>>> about it scares me to death).
>>> 
>>> Anyone know any reason I can't install Finale 2010 on a new mac, per
> above?
>>> Anyone know for sure that I can?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Mike
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Re: [Finale] My music won't stand still to be edited!

[Eric Dannewitz]

I’d check the mouse/trackpad and see what is going on there. You might have 
some gestures enabled.


> On Nov 7, 2016, at 8:11 AM, Jeffrey Quick  wrote:
> 
> Finale 25
> Sierra OS (12.1?)
> Brand-new iMac
> 
> Here's what it's doing:
> When I drag the horizontal scroll bar, it "bounces back" a certain 
> distance. When my cursor is in blank space, the window contents will 
> move all by themselves. When I select a measure in Speedy, it will jump 
> to another measure. Eventually things calm down enough that I can make 
> an edit, but it's an inefficient and frustrating process. (this is 
> mostly in Scroll view, but page view does it too)
> 
> I'm using Brave as a browser and occasionally its windows do some 
> similar flaky things (which I attribute to it being beta), but none of 
> my other programs seem to. And the Brave issue is rare and doesn't 
> interfere with input.
> 
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Re: [Finale] Finale 25 printing in El Capitan

[Eric Dannewitz]

Make sure you are up on all the system updates. There were some printer updates 
that dropped about 3 weeks ago that included brother printers

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> On Nov 7, 2016, at 4:06 AM, Jim Fischer <j...@pacifier.com> wrote:
> 
> I was printing multiple pages to my Brother Laser printer.
> I ask for 3 copies and only 1 comes out. I had to do 2 more single page 
> copies.
> Am I missing something?
> 
> thx, Jim
> 
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Re: [Finale] Install Finale 2010 on Mac OS Siera 10.12

[Eric Dannewitz]

You might be able to use migration assistant to migrate over applications and 
users from an older Mac, but I’d say you should probably upgrade to Finale 
2014.5 at least. 


> On Nov 6, 2016, at 1:22 PM, Darcy James Argue  wrote:
> 
> Hi Mike,
> 
> All new Macs come with macOS Sierra and it’s not possible to install an older 
> OS. Finale 2010 is definitely not supported on Sierra. If you buy a new Mac 
> you will also need to upgrade to Finale v25.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> – DJA
> -
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> 
> From: Michael Dutka 
> Reply: finale@shsu.edu 
> Date: November 5, 2016 at 7:13:27 PM
> To: finale@shsu.edu 
> Subject:  [Finale] Install Finale 2010 on Mac OS Siera 10.12  
> 
> Hi folks. Want to buy a new computer, but don't want to upgrade to Finale  
> 2012 (it doesn't back up as well as 2010) or 2014 (reading what you-all say  
> about it scares me to death).  
> 
> Anyone know any reason I can't install Finale 2010 on a new mac, per above?  
> Anyone know for sure that I can?  
> 
> Thanks,  
> Mike  
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Re: [Finale] Mac OS Sierra

[Eric Dannewitz]

I have an audio interface that hasn't seen driver updates since 10.7

It still runs but I have to disable SIP on 10.11

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> On Oct 24, 2016, at 7:21 AM, Robert Patterson <rob...@robertgpatterson.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> One option for continuing to run Fin11 (if it doesn't work in Sierra) would
> be to run it inside a virtual machine (VM). I have a VM for 10.7 set up
> with Fin08, Fin12, and Fin14d installed so that I can run those versions in
> the foreseeable future.
> 
> Sierra is a complete 64-bit OS. Fin11 is a 32-bit app. While Sierra may
> have an option to run Fin11 in 32-bit mode, I imagine it won't run very
> well. I'm almost certain that drivers for Sierra have to be 64-bit, so
> older drivers (e.g., for midi interfaces) will probably not work.
> 
> 
> On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 9:05 AM, Eric Dannewitz <ericd...@jazz-sax.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> No clue. I'd first see if the Mac mini will run 10.12 first as there was a
>> big hardware cutoff for this version of the operating system.
>> 
>> The second thing would be to ask why you need to run 10.12. What feature
>> is compelling you to upgrade? I can't see any that stand out and I have two
>> macs that are not "officially" supported by 10.12 so.
>> 
>> Maybe when the new Apple file system comes on line I will move to 10.12,
>> but I don't see that happening until next summer at the earliest.
>> 
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>>> On Oct 24, 2016, at 6:58 AM, Lawrence David Eden <lde...@comcast.net>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Listers,
>>> 
>>> I run Finale 2K11 on a Mac Mini using El Capitan.  If I install the new
>> OS (Sierra) will Finale 2K11 still run?
>>> 
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Re: [Finale] Mac OS Sierra

[Eric Dannewitz]

No clue. I'd first see if the Mac mini will run 10.12 first as there was a big 
hardware cutoff for this version of the operating system.

The second thing would be to ask why you need to run 10.12. What feature is 
compelling you to upgrade? I can't see any that stand out and I have two macs 
that are not "officially" supported by 10.12 so.

Maybe when the new Apple file system comes on line I will move to 10.12, but I 
don't see that happening until next summer at the earliest.

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> On Oct 24, 2016, at 6:58 AM, Lawrence David Eden <lde...@comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> Listers,
> 
> I run Finale 2K11 on a Mac Mini using El Capitan.  If I install the new OS 
> (Sierra) will Finale 2K11 still run?
> 
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Re: [Finale] Dorico?

[Eric Dannewitz]

Or when it can open/import Finale files


> On Oct 19, 2016, at 10:30 AM, Michael Lawlor  wrote:
> 
> I was wondering if anyone has been looking at Steinberg's Dorico 
> notation programme and if it is making them think about the future with 
> Finale.  It seems like something that might be worth considering when it 
> gets to version 2.0 or 3.0.
> 
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Re: [Finale] Scanning, what to do now?

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I believe you'd have to save it in xml format and import it into finale.

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> On Sep 26, 2016, at 7:21 AM, John Witmer <wit...@nctv.com> wrote:
> 
> Yes, but how do you scan into Finale from a 3rd party scanner?
> John Witmer
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> On 9/26/2016 10:10:16 AM, Eric Dannewitz <ericd...@jazz-sax.com> wrote:
> Well, to be fair, makemusic is owned by a company who also owns Alfred music, 
> which is like one of the biggest music publishers in the world.so.
> 
> Plus, there are plenty of third party programs that do a better job of 
> scanning.
> 
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> 
>> On Sep 26, 2016, at 6:32 AM, Craig Sylvern wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks David!! Hcletfs seec I think Ifll spend $149 to have to go 
>> through more steps to get my work done. Wowctherefs a good business 
>> strategy. I know thatfs a little snarky but, to be honest, Ifm getting 
>> very tired of all the workarounds I have to do with Finale these days. 
>> Sibelius isnft much better. Maybe Ifll go back to paper and ink. [sigh]
>> 
>> CS
>> 
>> 
>>> On 25 Sep 2016, at 5:57 PM, David H. Bailey wrote:
>>> 
>>> On 9/25/2016 5:41 PM, Craig Sylvern wrote:
>>>> First, please forgive me if this topic has had an exhaustive discussion. I 
>>>> havenft had the opportunity to read the postings for a little while. With 
>>>> that being said. . . I do a lot of transcribing of solos and ensemble 
>>>> pieces for my saxophone students. If the original is printed Ifll scan it 
>>>> and import into Finale. Most of the time that yields pretty workable 
>>>> results. With the introduction of Finale v25 theyfve removed scanning. 
>>>> What options do I have now beside entering in everything with Simple or 
>>>> Speedy entry?
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks for the advice.
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> Scan it using an earlier version of Finale, save as MusicXML, import that 
>>> into Finale v25.
>>> 
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Re: [Finale] Scanning, what to do now?

[Eric Dannewitz]

Well, to be fair, makemusic is owned by a company who also owns Alfred music, 
which is like one of the biggest music publishers in the world.so.

Plus, there are plenty of third party programs that do a better job of 
scanning. 

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> 
> Thanks David!!  H…let’s see… I think I’ll spend $149 to have to go 
> through more steps to get my work done.  Wow…there’s a good business 
> strategy.  I know that’s a little snarky but, to be honest, I’m getting very 
> tired of all the workarounds I have to do with Finale these days.  Sibelius 
> isn’t much better.  Maybe I’ll go back to paper and ink. [sigh]
> 
> CS
> 
> 
>> On 25 Sep 2016, at 5:57 PM, David H. Bailey 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> On 9/25/2016 5:41 PM, Craig Sylvern wrote:
>>> First, please forgive me if this topic has had an exhaustive discussion.  I 
>>> haven’t had the opportunity to read the postings for a little while.  With 
>>> that being said. . . I do a lot of transcribing of solos and ensemble 
>>> pieces for my saxophone students.  If the original is printed I’ll scan it 
>>> and import into Finale.  Most of the time that yields pretty workable 
>>> results.  With the introduction of Finale v25 they’ve removed scanning.  
>>> What options do I have now beside entering in everything with Simple or 
>>> Speedy entry?
>>> 
>>> Thanks for the advice.
>>> 
>> 
>> Scan it using an earlier version of Finale, save as MusicXML, import that 
>> into Finale v25.
>> 
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Re: [Finale] Finale 25--Plug-ins

[Eric Dannewitz]

True, though you are being "high suggested" to move to Windows 10 and then 
there is the whole Windows thing with dealing with viruses and security 
issues..

Sometimes it's better to be in a park than to look at it through a window

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> 
> Thanks. ( I am a Windows guy, so I don't need to own any national parks
> before running!)
> 
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> Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church
> Retired Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra, 1971-2016
> 
> 
> On Aug 17, 2016 10:41 AM, "Christopher Smith" <
> christopher.sm...@videotron.ca> wrote:
> 
>> Here’s a review. Click on Robert Puff’s link at the bottom of this review,
>> too. One of them ran speed tests, and Finale v. 25 is almost, but not
>> quite, as fast as 2012 in most things, but faster than 2014.5 in almost
>> everything. But then, you need Yosemite at least to run Finale v. 25.
>> 
>> Christopher
>> 
>> http://www.sibeliusblog.com/news/makemusic-releases-version-25-of-finale/
>> 
>> 
>>> On Wed Aug 17, at WednesdayAug 17 10:29 AM, Raymond Horton <
>> horton.raym...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> There is a very helpful report. Would you be interested in running a
>> couple
>>> of speed tests, with a file I send you?
>>> 
>>> Raymond Horton
>>> Composer, Arranger
>>> Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church
>>> Retired Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra, 1971-2016
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Aug 17, 2016 10:24 AM, "Steve Gruver"  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I just upgraded to Finale 25 from v2014.5 and have it found it to be very
>>> stable and fast (especially when doing playback of a file).  However, be
>>> aware that TGTools, JW Tools, etc will NOT work with this new version
>> until
>>> they come out with a 64-bit version.
>>> 
>>> I received an email from Tobias Giesen (TGTools) this morning stating
>> that
>>> a 64-bit version for MacOS will be out in a couple of weeks.
>>> 
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Re: [Finale] Finale 25

[Eric Dannewitz]

Though Weird Al’s what, almost 40 year career means nothing? I think it’s fine 
if he is used in their marketing. It would be better if someone from say Hans 
Zimmerman’s or John Williams scoring/music production team was the quote…..but 
I don’t think Weird Al is the level of T-Shirt and Water bottle…….


> On Aug 16, 2016, at 3:32 PM, SN jef chippewa  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> well i for one would cough up my hard-earned 
> money for a finale upgrade just knowing that 
> Weird Al Yankovic is the standard reference for 
> what a notation software is capable of!  congrats 
> finale for bringing yourself out of the ®Finale 
> Water Bottle and ®Finale T-Shirt era!
> 
> "Finale gives me all the flexibility I need to do 
> notation for even my most ridiculous 
> arrangements."
> -"Weird Al" Yankovic, Grammy Award-winning 
> singer-songwriter, parodist, producer
> 
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> [JAN 2016] v. 1.002 for Finale 2014.5 and PC
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Re: [Finale] Finale Zapped An Entire Opera

[Eric Dannewitz]

Permissions issue sounds like. 

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> On Apr 9, 2016, at 10:39 AM, Michael Dutka <mikedu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi, folks. Working on a long opera for years now, running Finale 10 on a
> MacBook Pro, and all of a sudden Finale can't find the folder I store it in.
> 
> Finder finds the folder, and recently modified files show up in the
> recently modified files menu, but I can't save changes to the right folder,
> because it doesn't show up in the menu with the 'save as' command.
> 
> Opened and closed Finale, rebooted, everything. Any ideas, suggestions?
> 
> Thanks!
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Re: [Finale] Will Finale 2010 run on El Capitan?

[Eric Dannewitz]

On 10.11.3 

Finale 2008 loads, but hangs on the midi initialization 

Finale 2012 seems to load and run fine. 

Don’t have 2010 installed anymore.


> On Jan 28, 2016, at 10:13 PM, Mark D Lew  wrote:
> 
> Two weeks ago my MacBook unexpectedly died, so I went out and bought a new 
> one.  Among other things this meant leaping all the way from Mac OS 10.6 
> (Snow Leopard) to 10.11 (El Capitan).
> 
> On the old Mac I was running Finale 2010.  I was perfectly happy with that 
> version and was not planning to upgrade.  If I can install it on the new Mac, 
> I want to do that, but I don’t want to take the trouble to figure out how to 
> re-install if the program is not going to run anyway.  
> 
> I know a lot of my apps from that era are non-functional on the current 
> machines due to that Carbon/Cocoa transition that was going on then.  I 
> suspect Finale 2010 may be a similar situation.
> 
> thanks
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Re: [Finale] Finale 2010 and Macbook 2010

[Eric Dannewitz]

Yes. Most of the older versions of Finale don’t work well with 10.10 or above. 


> On Jan 28, 2016, at 10:24 AM, Michael Seredick  wrote:
> 
> Dear Finale users,
> I'm having difficulty creating documents in Finale 2010 on my Macbook which 
> was also purchased in 2010. Previously, it worked fine.  I also had Finale 
> 2006b working on the Mac.  At about the same time Finale 2010 began having 
> problems, the Finally 2006b platform became problematic.
> I am able to open a previously saved file on the Mac2010 with the Finale 2010 
> ed.  The problem seems to arise when trying to create a new file with the 
> Wizard.  It opens for a moment, allows a choice of ensemble, key and time 
> signature.  Then, the score appears for a moment and suddenly closes.  
> I wonder if this has to do with the Mac updating to Yosemite?  Anyone with a 
> similar problem, and advice to correct the situation please know I'd 
> appreciate your input.
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Re: [Finale] F2014 shape expression designer more instable than ever?

[Eric Dannewitz]

Huh. Used it for about 4 hours today. Worked fine.


 On Jul 10, 2015, at 5:49 PM, Darcy James Argue djar...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 On Jul 10, 2015, at 4:56 PM, Eric Dannewitz ericd...@jazz-sax.com wrote:
 
 I use both. Finale 2014 I don’t think has crashed at all on me in months….if 
 ever.
 
 I deeply envy you. On my setup, it crashes 100% of the time on quit and also 
 at least 3 times per day.
 
 Cheers,
 
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Re: [Finale] F2014 shape expression designer more instable than ever?

[Eric Dannewitz]

Nope. It’s been pretty rock solid.


 On Jul 10, 2015, at 1:24 PM, shirl...@newmusicnotation.com wrote:
 
 
 (on mac/yosemite) anyone else noticing more crashes than normal when 
 accessing
 various menus, changing line thicknesses etc. when designing shape 
 expressions?
 
 i always found this frustrating but came across the problem from a brand new
 document created from the finale defaults as well.
 
 it really sux ass.
 
 
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Re: [Finale] F2014 shape expression designer more instable than ever?

[Eric Dannewitz]

I use both. Finale 2014 I don’t think has crashed at all on me in months….if 
ever.

You might want to do a disk utility and check your disk out, and maybe throw 
away your Finale Preferences…….


 On Jul 10, 2015, at 1:54 PM, shirl...@newmusicnotation.com wrote:
 
 
 hey eric, i think i am noticing it happens on exiting a dialogue using enter /
 return / escape mainly, or perhaps always.  i have the impressino (am paying
 closer attention now) that using the mouse to do edits doesn't cause it to 
 crash
 as much... do you use return / enter to exit, or the mouse?
 
 Nope. It’s been pretty rock solid.
 
 (on mac/yosemite) anyone else noticing more crashes than normal when
 accessing
 various menus, changing line thicknesses etc. when designing shape
 expressions?
 
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Re: [Finale] F2014 shape expression designer more instable than ever?

[Eric Dannewitz]

Well, look, if you don’t repair your disk, your “new” preferences are probably 
going to get corrupt again. So whether or not you like the proposed solution, 
it is the solution other than fixing your disk which is probably the real 
problem.

General rule of computer use, have a backup. Time machine. Crash plan. A 
bootable clone. Something. Or all the above. 

Running your computer with a filesystem that needs repairs is courting 
disaster……


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 I use both. Finale 2014 I don’t think has crashed at all on me in months….if
 ever.
 
 nice. i have been having multiple crashes per day. :-(
 
 You might want to do a disk utility and check your disk out, and maybe throw
 away your Finale Preferences…….
 
 yeah i need to repair it, ran it earlier tonight, need to do a megawad of
 backups before i don anything like that...
 
 but the prefs are brand new, i built them like 3 days ago!!! and goddammit i 
 am
 sick of hearing that as a solution, grrr.
 
 thanks, i hope that could sort out some things.
 
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Re: [Finale] [OT] iKeys scripts not converted in upgrade to yosemite

[Eric Dannewitz]

I’ve only ever had iKeys 2 and I’ve been using it since 2008……


 On Jul 9, 2015, at 4:10 PM, shirl...@newmusicnotation.com wrote:
 
 
 when i upgraded to iKeys 2 on yosemite, the programme noticed that iKeys 1 had
 been used and asked if i wanted to convert the scripts.  of course i said yes,
 then the programme hung forever.  force quit, try again, same oribs.  
 eventually
 i just said no, and everything installed correctly but now i lost 60+ scripts 
 i
 use for finale.  i found where they are but there seems to be no way of
 importing / converting from within the programme and i can't find 
 documentaiton
 on this anywhere.
 
 anyone here have any similar experiences?  or know how i can read old scripts 
 in
 the new programme?
 
 yuck.
 
 
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Re: [Finale] OT: Low end Surface Pro 3 with StaffPad

[Eric Dannewitz]

Indeed. I’m so wanting to ditch the binder of tunes for gigs. 


 On Jul 6, 2015, at 7:34 PM, Chuck Israels cisra...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 If memory serves - there are rumors of a larger iPad for the fall, at which 
 point my use of ForScore for reading music will take a significant jump in 
 practicality.
 
 Chuck
 
 
 On Jul 6, 2015, at 5:25 PM, David H. Bailey dhbaile...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 On 7/6/2015 7:46 PM, Robert Patterson wrote:
 FWIW: The StaffPad guy says it works great on the i3 Surface Pro 3. Also, I
 figure if I need more storage than 64GB (and probably will) I can spend $25
 on a micro SD card. I know the 4 might be announced next month, but who
 knows when it would show up in the points store: probably many months from
 now.
 
 I think you made a wise choice, Robert.  I bought the 128GB i5 model and 
 immediately bought a 128GB microSD card.  I am using mine as a traveling 
 laptop, so I have Office on it, WordPerfect, Sibelius, Finale and a 
 bunch of other stuff.
 
 I keep my data files on the microSD card and keep the programs in the 
 main storage.
 
 And I agree that the Pro model is the better one to get for musicians 
 because reading PDFs of music is much easier with the larger screen.
 
 I don't know what Microsoft has done that Apple can't seem to do, but 
 the battery life on the Surface is much much better than on my iPad.
 
 My one regret with the Surface is that the developers of ForScore, the 
 music reading app that I use on my iPad have clearly stated that they 
 will not be developing a Windows version.  Ever.  So I'm stuck using 
 MusicReader on the Surface -- it's fine for the display of the music, 
 turning pages, etc., but their library management isn't nearly as good 
 as ForScore, in my opinion.
 
 Enjoy your SurfacePro when it arrives, Robert!  And to get the most out 
 of StaffPad, practice, practice, practice!  It gets easier to get the 
 notation entered with time.  And you'll develop a workflow that works 
 best for you, as we've all done with Finale and Sibelius.
 
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Re: [Finale] Folders

[Eric Dannewitz]

There you go….


On Mar 24, 2015, at 3:53 PM, Lawrence Yates yateslawre...@gmail.com wrote:

 it may be something to do with Windows 8

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Re: [Finale] So many problems with Finale 2014

[Eric Dannewitz]

Have you tried trashing the preferences? That is probably more helpful
than coming on this list and venting about a waste of time the program
is. Finale 2014 is working great for me

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 On Dec 23, 2014, at 11:48 AM, Alberto Guzmán Naranjo albe...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

 It is so unfortunate the situation with Finale 2014, installed into a great
 iMac and permanently presenting problems: crashes, falls, it turns off. Who
 is responsible for all this wasted time? I paid for an expensive program
 and I’m not getting the service I’ve supposedly purchased.

 I feel so tired with all this bugs

 I Dream of time when we all was writing by hand.

 Merry Christmas


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Re: [Finale] Finale has run out of memory. Please save your work and quit

[Eric Dannewitz]

How much memory do you have? What other programs are open?

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 On Dec 8, 2014, at 7:58 AM, Greg Scheer g...@gregscheer.com wrote:

 Is anyone else having problems with a dialog box popping that says, Finale 
 has run out of memory. Please save your work and quit? It has no correlation 
 to actual memory problems. It just appears randomly and requires me to hit 
 the Okay button a half dozen times. Sometimes restarting the program clears 
 up the problem, but it doesn't solve the issue consistently.

 I'm on a MacBook with OSX Yosemite, running the latest update of Finale 2014.
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Re: [Finale] Finale Digest, Vol 137, Issue 7

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Actually, the iTunes format is going to be better than MP3. It's actually 
MP4, or AAC. For the same size, the file is going to sound better than a MP3. 
And everything made since like 2009 or is running a more modern OS (Windows 
Vista+ and Mac OS X 10.6+) should be able to play it just fine.



On Dec 7, 2014, at 11:53 AM, Mark Ralston mac...@bellsouth.net wrote:

 In my old Mac version (10.6.3) the file type for import and export are  
 set in the PreferencesGeneral where you set Import settings from CDs.  
 Choose the preferred file format from that flip down menu. Save the  
 change. Select the song or songs you want to convert in the playlist.  
 The file format choice will be reflected in the Advanced menu under  
 the item Create {file format} version. The new copy version will be  
 in the playlist and in your library (or wherever your iTunes saves  
 your music files.)
 
 On Dec 7, 2014, at 1:00 PM, finale-requ...@shsu.edu 
 finale-requ...@shsu.edu 
 wrote:
 
 
 From: Richard Huggins huggin...@yahoo.com
 Date: December 6, 2014 6:47:04 PM EST
 To: finale@shsu.edu finale@shsu.edu
 Subject: Re: [Finale] export audio as .mp3
 Reply-To: finale@shsu.edu
 
 
 I don't recall  but iTunes may BE an .mp3 format.
 RH
 
On Thursday, December 4, 2014 5:40 PM, Jim Fischer j...@pacifier.com 
 wrote:
 
 
 I can't consistently get an option to export an .mp3 audio file.
 Often it only offers WAV or iTunes.
 Any ideas?
 
 thx, Jim
 
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Re: [Finale] Links to really insulting answers from MakeMusic

[Eric Dannewitz]

To be fair to Apple, they do publish extensive developer guidelines concerning 
how to craft a program. This is mainly for the AppStore, but if a developer 
does this then generally their program works just fine. I have several programs 
that haven't been updated that work just fine in 10.10.


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wrote:

 I would be the first to line up to trash MM if I thought they deserved
 trashing (and often I do) but here I think the culprit is Apple. Apple has
 consistently show a callous disregard for 3rd-party developer and gave up
 on backward compatibility in the 90s when they allowed Steve Jobs to
 transform the Mac platform into the Nexus. It has paid off big for Apple,
 so I can hardly blame them, but they simply don't care about making sure
 existing 3rd party apps continue to work under new OS's. Hence, I years ago
 quite upgrading until I had to. I will certainly not be taking the Yosemite
 upgrade any time soon.
 
 It is difficult for me to understand what it is you expect MM to do. They
 don't have the resources to patch versions before the current version.
 Would you be happy if MM issued a patch with any fixes needed to bring
 Fin14 fully functional in Yosemite? If so, I would let Customer Support
 know.
 
 In the meantime, I would investigate downgrading to Mavericks. It's a pain,
 but it is perfectly doable, and if you need Fin12 playback you'll basically
 have to.
 


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Re: [Finale] OS X Yosemite

[Eric Dannewitz]

Sibelius, Finale, and Mac OS X Yosemite


On Oct 16, 2014, at 11:44 AM, Alberto Guzmán Naranjo albe...@gmail.com wrote:

 I need information on the compatibility of OS X Yosemite with Finale 2014
 
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Re: [Finale] OS X Yosemite

[Eric Dannewitz]

When I was running the betas finale seemed to rub alright

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 Check the Finale blog. They had a brief article yesterday.

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 I need information on the compatibility of OS X Yosemite with Finale 2014

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Re: [Finale] Anybody think we will ever see any more fixes for F2014?

[Eric Dannewitz]

Comparing software to a TV doesn't work. Or your car. Its ridiculous.

Adobe's products are FAR from perfect and most of them have a list of legacy 
bugs that would make Finale's look teeny weenie. And Adobe also does what 
people are accusing MakeMusic of.moving on and fixing issues (or working 
around them) in newer versions. Most all companies do that I think (Apple, 
Microsoft, Google, etc). 


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 No. I don't understand why it's acceptable for a product to be sold with 
 enough bugs. Paying for a bug-fix release (one that would riddled with at 
 least some other issues) is not the answer. Imagine if you bought a 
 widescreen tv, only to find that certain features worked only some of the 
 time and some not at all, to compound this, your cable service also presented 
 programming issues and challenges. Or your car. Features as prominent as a 
 gauge. Or even a major program like Mathematica, which is at least equally 
 sophisticated in context to Finale. Or an Adobe product. Think about what it 
 would mean to the market and to advances and innovations. We are stuck with a 
 great application that is unfortunately far from perfect and for some reason 
 the company does not have high enough standards to perfect their product the 
 way the other products I've mentioned perfect them. Comments?
 
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Re: [Finale] Anybody think we will ever see any more fixes for F2014?

[Eric Dannewitz]

UmI'm supposed to know this? Probably when the next version of Finale comes 
around?

On Oct 13, 2014, at 10:52 AM, Craig Parmerlee cr...@parmerlee.com wrote:

 OK, Eric.  When can I buy the new version that corrects some of the old 
 bugs?  Money is not the issue for me.  The amount of my valuable time 
 this product wastes is the issue.
 
 
 
 On 10/13/2014 1:35 PM, Eric Dannewitz wrote:
 And Adobe also does what people are accusing MakeMusic of.moving on and 
 fixing issues (or working around them) in newer versions.
 


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Re: [Finale] News update on MakeMusic move to Boulder

[Eric Dannewitz]

Though to do smartmusic you need to have finale so.

Programmers are a dime a dozen. As long as they retain the architects
of the program's it should be fine. I have less worries about finale
and makemusic than I do with avid and Sibelius

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 See
 http://www.bizjournals.com/twincities/news/2014/10/03/makemusic-hq-move-eliminate-120-minnesota-jobs.html

 The company, which develops software for teaching and composing music,
 offered transfers to more than half of its workers and several dozen
 have agreed to move, Fisher said.  Because some employees are still
 considering the offer, he couldn't say how many will relocate when the
 time to move comes early next year.

 So in rough numbers, there were 120 employees.
 They offered transfers to about 60.
 About 30 or 1/4 of the company is going to stay on board.

 Considering this encompasses Smartmusic and Garritan, and Smartmusic is
 more in line with the mission of Peaksware, my guess is that we'd be
 lucky if 15 experienced Finale people remain with the company -- and
 that would have to include coverage for Printmusic and Songwriter.
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Re: [Finale] I need help with my website!!!

[Eric Dannewitz]

But a SquareSpace site HAS e-commerce already built in. Everything is there. HE 
could do it. It's THAT easy. No paying some web dweeb for hours of work. He 
could set up things to sell right there with a few clicks.


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On Sep 8, 2014, at 6:42 AM, Craig Parmerlee cr...@parmerlee.com wrote:

 This was my point.  Ray said he didn't want a bunch of technical 
 recommendations.  He already has the site on Weebly and it isn't very 
 difficult to add the catalog and checkout features to the Weebly site.  
 There is no reason to move to some other platform.  A good web designer 
 could figure out the essence of Weebly in a couple of hours.
 
 
 
 On 9/8/2014 12:56 AM, Eric Dannewitz wrote:
 Get a squarespace site
 
 
 
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Re: [Finale] I need help with my website!!!

[Eric Dannewitz]

Get a squarespace site

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 On Sep 7, 2014, at 9:53 PM, Craig Parmerlee cr...@parmerlee.com wrote:

 FWIW, what you are describing is well within the range of what Weebly
 can do.  Weebly isn't all things to all people, but it is a rather
 straightforward system for setting up basic websites, and definitely
 includes the ability to sell products online, such as your
 arrangements.  If you already have a basic site on Weebly, I would try
 to find somebody willing to extend that.

 For a person conversant in web development, the Weebly learning curve is
 not very steep.  If you can live with one of the templates that Weebly
 provides, it is quick and easy.  I inherited a Weebly site recently and
 was able to be productive fairly quickly.  The really time consuming
 things are customizing the look and feel of the site if you want to do
 more than the templates provide.  That is not easy, but I suspect that
 would not be an issue in your case.

 I'm not in a situation to take on any more work in that area, but I just
 offer these thoughts in case there is a web-savvy person out that that
 was scared off by mention of Weebly.   My point is simply that Weebly is
 easy to use and there is no reason to avoid that solution.







 On 9/4/2014 8:24 PM, Raymond Horton wrote:
 Esteemed members of the list:

 I have a proposition that could prove beneficial to one of you (and me):

 I posted
 on the trb-L earlier today, have gotten a bunch of interested replies
 but no cigar, yet.

 I realize that Finale skills are a must, and I kept getting I have a copy
 of Finale...



 Situation:

 I have dozens and dozens of arrangements on the computer in Finale. I have

 a website - rayhortonmusic.com - with teasers about many pieces but very

 little functionality, even though I am paying for Weebly Pro or whatever.

 (My music is far better than most of the crap out there, and much of it
 is quite marketable, IMHO.)


 I have no time to work up the skills, or time to work on the site. Also
 I have

 severe back pain following my stroke and subsequent spine injury which

 limits the amount of work I can do seated at my favorite computer setup.



 _What I need_ is a person with web site skills to set up my site so patrons

 can log on, pay and download music or pay for printed music to be mailed.


 This person would get:



 - A percentage of every sale, and all the music he or she wants to harvest

 (Upfront money is likely not possible at this time, but we can talk.


 _What I don't need_ is  a lot of geek-speak about which programming
 languages, etc. etc.  I want to simplify my life, not make it more
 complicated.  I have the site mentioned above (name from name.com, design
 on Weebly Pro) and want to keep the name.   I can pay some other sites, as
 long as it is in the same price ballpark.


 I need to enable patrons to log on, get some free samples as a way to
 induce traffic, see samples of music to buy, maybe hear some sample mp3s,
 then pay and dl PDFs or order printed copies and leave happy to return
 another day.


 I also need to figure out pricing, would appreciate someone who can advise
 and/or price.


 If you have done a similar site please send a private message with a link,
 and a description of some of your abilities and accomplishments.


 The instrumental combinations include:



 - Brass Trios (many)

 - Brass quintets (a few)

 - Trombone ensembles (several)

 - Hymn descants for trombone, trumpet, flute (hundreds)
  see below about formatting issues*.

 - Church hymn solo arrangements for trombone and piano (some of you got

 one of these several weeks ago, my church loves them)

 - Church hymn arrangements for brass, especially for congregational

 singing (brass quartets, not so much quintets, and a bunch of stuff for

 about 4 brass and 3 or 4 WW)





 - Organ Preludes (very popular)

 - Choral arrangements and compositions

 - Compositions for orchestra (these are starting to take off around the

 country and are going to be listed in the next edition of the

 Daniels _Orchestral Music_)

 - arrangements for elementary school band (varying instrumentation, can

 be altered to order)


 *Finale skills come into play particularly for these: I have dozens of hymn
 descants for trumpet, trb and flute, in separate files and with
 inconsistent formatting.  I have a format (hymn tune name, title, etc.,) I
 would like to use for all of them but haven't had time to reformat them
 all. I also want the melody added on a separate staff whenever it is not
 there already (these are readily available on the web as midi files, and
 hymnal scans are all over the place.  Then, I would like to be able to sell
 them separately or all together (at a discount).


 Anyone interested please send me a private message, summarizing your
 abilities and experience. Thanks!!!



 Raymond Horton

 Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra

 Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) UMC

 Composer, Arranger

 

Re: [Finale] OT: Mac Remote Desktop Software

[Eric Dannewitz]

You can do that already using the built in screen sharing on the Mac.
Just set up another user, and log out from that user and log in the
other user.

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 On Aug 22, 2014, at 7:38 AM, Robert Patterson rob...@robertgpatterson.com 
 wrote:

 Isn't VNC remote control software? That is, doesn't it control the screen
 and mouse of the remote machine? If so, that's already built into Mac OS.
 What I am looking for is the ability to log in remotely with my own session
 separate from that of the host screen  mouse.


 On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 9:25 AM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz 
 bath...@maltedmedia.com wrote:

 On Fri, August 22, 2014 10:24 am, Robert Patterson wrote:
 Is anyone aware of software for Mac that works like Windows Remote
 Desktop?
 To clarify: I am not interested in remote control such as that offered by
 Screen Sharing or VNC. What I would like to do is remotely open a
 separate
 log-in instance from a remote computer that matches that screen
 resolution
 of the computer I'm working on. It's not controlling the screen or mouse
 of
 the remote computer, but rather running a separate session. Just like
 Windows Remote Desktop, iow.

 http://www.realvnc.com/download/vnc/

 This is what I use. Works with Windows, Mac, Linux.

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Re: [Finale] Upgrading to Finale Mac 2014

[Eric Dannewitz]

10.9 (mavericks) didn't break finale 2012 for me. My 10.9 system still
can run finale 2008 just fine.

Actually, 10.9 upgrade was probably the most painless upgrade in a
long time for me. I can't think of anything that stopped working.

Also, in the upcoming 10.10, finale 2014 and 2012 work

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 I finally bit the bullet yesterday and purchased a MacBook Pro running 
 Mavericks. You guessed it: Finale 2012 is dead (along with a slew of my other 
 apps).

 Anyone have any idea whether there is likely to be an upcoming 
 upgrade-special that will make the leap to Finale 2014 cheaper than $139? 
 Feeling kinda broke here�c.

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Re: [Finale] Avid (Sibelius) dropped from NASDAQ (February news)

[Eric Dannewitz]

Sorta old news. I do think Avid does have some serious problems. 


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 http://createdigitalmusic.com/2014/02/avid-delays-financial-reporting-promises-brighter-future-including-pro-tools-sibelius/
 
 I thought they were already suspended by NASDAQ because they haven't 
 produced any financial statements for well over a year now.  So I am not 
 sure exactly what changed in February.  Actually they still haven't 
 cleaned up their 2012 financial statements following what amounts to an 
 accounting scandal.  It really shouldn't take 2 years to complete an 
 audit.  Something is definitely wrong here.  And now they are saying 
 they won't have statements until summer !?
 
 They claim to have had $48M in cash and no debts at the end of 2013, 
 which I guess gives them enough flexibility that they don't care if they 
 get thrown off NASDAQ for awhile.  They say they are still developing 
 Sibelius aggressively, but then talk about delivering 7.5 soon, and 
 apparently it was actually released on April 3.
 
 
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Re: [Finale] Mac Mavericks and Secondary Maximized Windows

[Eric Dannewitz]

Nope, it's enabled.


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On Apr 19, 2014, at 6:04 PM, Robert Patterson rob...@robertgpatterson.com 
wrote:

 Eric,
 
 Did you perchance disable Displays have separate spaces in System
 Prefs-Mission Control? This completely solved my problem, and since I
 don't give a flip about full-screen mode (and would completely disable it
 if I could) I disabled it without a second thought.
 
 
 
 On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 8:47 PM, Robert Patterson 
 rob...@robertgpatterson.com wrote:
 
 These are DVI monitorss connected through passive Thunderbolt adapters.
 I've had some other weirdness with them. (It turns out you can only connect
 two that way.) This is the only think I can think of. I did discover that
 another way to recover the window bar is to mess with the Display settings
 in System Prefs, but it disappears again if I hit the green button.
 
 
 On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 6:15 PM, Eric Dannewitz ericd...@jazz-sax.comwrote:
 
 Huh. Maybe. On my macpro, its not an issue. On my hackintosh, one
 monitor is using the dvi and the other is using hdmiit's not a
 problem on that system either
 
 
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 On Apr 16, 2014, at 4:13 PM, Robert Patterson 
 rob...@robertgpatterson.com wrote:
 
 Weird. It may be feature of my Thundebolt-connected DVI monitors. Who
 know. Anyway I was able to work around the problem.
 
 
 On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 5:54 PM, Eric Dannewitz ericd...@jazz-sax.com
 wrote:
 
 Never disappears on my mac. Either screen
 
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 On Apr 16, 2014, at 3:53 PM, Robert Patterson 
 rob...@robertgpatterson.com wrote:
 
 No, I'm talking about green maximize button in the upper left.
 
 
 On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 5:31 PM, GERALD BERG gj.b...@rogers.com
 wrote:
 
 Not sure if I understand this.  Do you mean the double arrow on the
 top
 right of the window?  That does disappear when maximized window is
 evoked
 but if you tap the top of the screen the menu bar display appears and
 the
 double arrow appears in blue on the menu bar also on top right.  That
 will
 allow you to return the window to normal.
 
 
 GJB
 
 
 
 From: Robert Patterson rob...@robertgpatterson.com
 To: finale finale@shsu.edu
 Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2014 11:19:11 AM
 Subject: [Finale] Mac Mavericks and Secondary Maximized Windows
 
 
 One of the new features of Mac OS Mavericks is menu bars on every
 monitor.
 I suppose I'll eventually get used to it and come to like it, but
 one of
 the negative side effects is that every version of Finale before 2014
 has
 the problem that if you ever maximize a window on a secondary
 monitor,
 you
 can never unmaximize it due to the little maximize button
 disappearing
 behind the menu bar that it doesn't know is there.
 
 Thankfully Fin2012 has a menu option to un-maximize, but earlier
 versions
 do not. Right now I am stuck with Fin08 in that I can't display a
 window
 anywhere except the maximized window on the secondary monitor. I
 tried
 creating an iKey shortcut, but iKey apparently does not send the
 event
 directly to the window, opting instead to punch a button that in this
 case
 isn't there. Has anyone else got a better solution? I don't use Fin08
 much,
 but in a pinch I need to be able to. I suppose I can trash the
 preferences
 and it will stop doing it, but that is cumbersome to do every time I
 get in
 this situation.
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Re: [Finale] Mac Mavericks and Secondary Maximized Windows

[Eric Dannewitz]

You do know that if you do a Command-Period (.) it will go back. I'm assuming 
you mean FULL screen where it makes the menu bar disappear.

On Apr 16, 2014, at 8:19 AM, Robert Patterson rob...@robertgpatterson.com 
wrote:

 One of the new features of Mac OS Mavericks is menu bars on every monitor.
 I suppose I'll eventually get used to it and come to like it, but one of
 the negative side effects is that every version of Finale before 2014 has
 the problem that if you ever maximize a window on a secondary monitor, you
 can never unmaximize it due to the little maximize button disappearing
 behind the menu bar that it doesn't know is there.
 
 Thankfully Fin2012 has a menu option to un-maximize, but earlier versions
 do not. Right now I am stuck with Fin08 in that I can't display a window
 anywhere except the maximized window on the secondary monitor. I tried
 creating an iKey shortcut, but iKey apparently does not send the event
 directly to the window, opting instead to punch a button that in this case
 isn't there. Has anyone else got a better solution? I don't use Fin08 much,
 but in a pinch I need to be able to. I suppose I can trash the preferences
 and it will stop doing it, but that is cumbersome to do every time I get in
 this situation.
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Re: [Finale] Mac Mavericks and Secondary Maximized Windows

[Eric Dannewitz]

Huh. It works fine for me...we are talking the button on the far right
of a window right?

The one on the left never covers the menu bar for my screens.

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 On Apr 16, 2014, at 3:04 PM, Robert Patterson rob...@robertgpatterson.com 
 wrote:

 No not where the menu bar disappears. That's the whole problem. When I
 click the maximize button on a window on a secondary screen, pre-14
 versions of Finale increase the size of the window such that the window bar
 is hidden by the menu bar.

 Command-period has no effect for me, other than to display/hide the menu
 bar in full screen mode.

 Finale 2012 provides Window-Zoom Window that gets me out of the jam. I was
 able to get out of the jam in Fin08 using a shareware app called SizeUp.




 On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 4:08 PM, Eric Dannewitz ericd...@jazz-sax.comwrote:

 You do know that if you do a Command-Period (.) it will go back. I'm
 assuming you mean FULL screen where it makes the menu bar disappear.

 On Apr 16, 2014, at 8:19 AM, Robert Patterson rob...@robertgpatterson.com
 wrote:

 One of the new features of Mac OS Mavericks is menu bars on every
 monitor.
 I suppose I'll eventually get used to it and come to like it, but one of
 the negative side effects is that every version of Finale before 2014 has
 the problem that if you ever maximize a window on a secondary monitor,
 you
 can never unmaximize it due to the little maximize button disappearing
 behind the menu bar that it doesn't know is there.

 Thankfully Fin2012 has a menu option to un-maximize, but earlier versions
 do not. Right now I am stuck with Fin08 in that I can't display a window
 anywhere except the maximized window on the secondary monitor. I tried
 creating an iKey shortcut, but iKey apparently does not send the event
 directly to the window, opting instead to punch a button that in this
 case
 isn't there. Has anyone else got a better solution? I don't use Fin08
 much,
 but in a pinch I need to be able to. I suppose I can trash the
 preferences
 and it will stop doing it, but that is cumbersome to do every time I get
 in
 this situation.
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Re: [Finale] Mac Mavericks and Secondary Maximized Windows

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Never disappears on my mac. Either screen

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 On Apr 16, 2014, at 3:53 PM, Robert Patterson rob...@robertgpatterson.com 
 wrote:

 No, I'm talking about green maximize button in the upper left.


 On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 5:31 PM, GERALD BERG gj.b...@rogers.com wrote:

 Not sure if I understand this.  Do you mean the double arrow on the top
 right of the window?  That does disappear when maximized window is evoked
 but if you tap the top of the screen the menu bar display appears and the
 double arrow appears in blue on the menu bar also on top right.  That will
 allow you to return the window to normal.


 GJB


 
 From: Robert Patterson rob...@robertgpatterson.com
 To: finale finale@shsu.edu
 Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2014 11:19:11 AM
 Subject: [Finale] Mac Mavericks and Secondary Maximized Windows


 One of the new features of Mac OS Mavericks is menu bars on every monitor.
 I suppose I'll eventually get used to it and come to like it, but one of
 the negative side effects is that every version of Finale before 2014 has
 the problem that if you ever maximize a window on a secondary monitor, you
 can never unmaximize it due to the little maximize button disappearing
 behind the menu bar that it doesn't know is there.

 Thankfully Fin2012 has a menu option to un-maximize, but earlier versions
 do not. Right now I am stuck with Fin08 in that I can't display a window
 anywhere except the maximized window on the secondary monitor. I tried
 creating an iKey shortcut, but iKey apparently does not send the event
 directly to the window, opting instead to punch a button that in this case
 isn't there. Has anyone else got a better solution? I don't use Fin08 much,
 but in a pinch I need to be able to. I suppose I can trash the preferences
 and it will stop doing it, but that is cumbersome to do every time I get in
 this situation.
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Re: [Finale] Mac Mavericks and Secondary Maximized Windows

[Eric Dannewitz]

Huh. Maybe. On my macpro, its not an issue. On my hackintosh, one
monitor is using the dvi and the other is using hdmiit's not a
problem on that system either


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 On Apr 16, 2014, at 4:13 PM, Robert Patterson rob...@robertgpatterson.com 
 wrote:

 Weird. It may be feature of my Thundebolt-connected DVI monitors. Who
 know. Anyway I was able to work around the problem.


 On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 5:54 PM, Eric Dannewitz ericd...@jazz-sax.comwrote:

 Never disappears on my mac. Either screen

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 On Apr 16, 2014, at 3:53 PM, Robert Patterson 
 rob...@robertgpatterson.com wrote:

 No, I'm talking about green maximize button in the upper left.


 On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 5:31 PM, GERALD BERG gj.b...@rogers.com
 wrote:

 Not sure if I understand this.  Do you mean the double arrow on the top
 right of the window?  That does disappear when maximized window is
 evoked
 but if you tap the top of the screen the menu bar display appears and
 the
 double arrow appears in blue on the menu bar also on top right.  That
 will
 allow you to return the window to normal.


 GJB


 
 From: Robert Patterson rob...@robertgpatterson.com
 To: finale finale@shsu.edu
 Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2014 11:19:11 AM
 Subject: [Finale] Mac Mavericks and Secondary Maximized Windows


 One of the new features of Mac OS Mavericks is menu bars on every
 monitor.
 I suppose I'll eventually get used to it and come to like it, but one of
 the negative side effects is that every version of Finale before 2014
 has
 the problem that if you ever maximize a window on a secondary monitor,
 you
 can never unmaximize it due to the little maximize button disappearing
 behind the menu bar that it doesn't know is there.

 Thankfully Fin2012 has a menu option to un-maximize, but earlier
 versions
 do not. Right now I am stuck with Fin08 in that I can't display a window
 anywhere except the maximized window on the secondary monitor. I tried
 creating an iKey shortcut, but iKey apparently does not send the event
 directly to the window, opting instead to punch a button that in this
 case
 isn't there. Has anyone else got a better solution? I don't use Fin08
 much,
 but in a pinch I need to be able to. I suppose I can trash the
 preferences
 and it will stop doing it, but that is cumbersome to do every time I
 get in
 this situation.
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Re: [Finale] Upgrading my OS

[Eric Dannewitz]

No

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 Listers,

 I am running Finale 2K11 on my MacBook Pro.  My current OS is Snow
 Leopard. (10.6.8)

 Do I need to de-authorize Finale before upgrading to Mavericks, or
 will Finale continue to be authorized?

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Re: [Finale] 2014 crashes

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Nope.

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 Anyone else experiencing this?

 Mac OS 10.8, Finale 2014a

 I'm creating a template in 2014. Whenever I try to change a staff name in
 the score manager, Finale crashes. Any change in that field seems to
 trigger the crash, as it happens when I try to change the font, or just
 type something new.
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Re: [Finale] upgrade info

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I really wouldn't know without actually playing with it, but you might
consider cloning the system disk off to another hard drive and then
cloning it back. File fragmentation might be an issue, even though the
OS is supposed to be smart about that.

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 On Mar 24, 2014, at 3:43 PM, Dean Rosenthal deanrosent...@gmail.com wrote:

 Eric -

 After installation of Mavericks on my 2010 2.53 Ghz 4G RAM MacBook Pro, the 
 OS substantially slowed down. Ideas? I'll email off the list. You seem to 
 know about all this, so thought I'd ask.

 Best!
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 No, 10.9.2 doesn't significantly slow down anything. In fact, things 
 generally seem a little snappier on my 2008 MacPro. I think some of that is 
 due to the memory compression.

 Best thing one should do upgrading from 10.6 is to do a complete new install 
 on a new drive, and then use the migration assistant to transfer over your 
 applications and stuff.


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 Expect your OS to significantly slow down on 10.9. But no problems with 
 2014. Actually, a few crashes. I run it without any other apps.open, 
 sometimes I need the inst. manual going in Safari. I went from Snow Leopard.

 Best!
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 On Mar 23, 2014, at 4:38 AM, Jari Williamsson 
 jari.williams...@mailbox.swipnet.se wrote:

 On 2014-03-22 16:50, Mark McCarron wrote:
 I'm currently using Fin 2012 on a macpro. os 10.6.8 (snow leopard). My 
 current set up is very stable.
 In order to upgrade to Fin 2014 I need to upgrade the OS. Should I go 
 10.7 10.8 or 10.9?

 10.9.2 is the latest, and 10.9 is free and it should have the most fixes. 
 10.8 is also good, but stay away from 10.7.


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Re: [Finale] upgrade info

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No, 10.9.2 doesn't significantly slow down anything. In fact, things generally 
seem a little snappier on my 2008 MacPro. I think some of that is due to the 
memory compression.

Best thing one should do upgrading from 10.6 is to do a complete new install on 
a new drive, and then use the migration assistant to transfer over your 
applications and stuff.


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 Expect your OS to significantly slow down on 10.9. But no problems with 2014. 
 Actually, a few crashes. I run it without any other apps.open, sometimes I 
 need the inst. manual going in Safari. I went from Snow Leopard. 
 
 Best!
 Dean
 
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 On Mar 23, 2014, at 4:38 AM, Jari Williamsson 
 jari.williams...@mailbox.swipnet.se wrote:
 
 On 2014-03-22 16:50, Mark McCarron wrote:
 I'm currently using Fin 2012 on a macpro. os 10.6.8 (snow leopard). My 
 current set up is very stable.
 In order to upgrade to Fin 2014 I need to upgrade the OS. Should I go 10.7 
 10.8 or 10.9?
 
 10.9.2 is the latest, and 10.9 is free and it should have the most fixes. 
 10.8 is also good, but stay away from 10.7.
 
 
 Best regards,
 
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Re: [Finale] Re(2): upgrade info

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Never had this problem.

You might want to consider the fresh install and migrate apps over
approachmight fix the problem

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 I can confirm the slow down on 10.9 and also the crashes.
 I actually have an open case with MakeMusic support whom is trying to solve 
 the mysterious, redundant authorization request that pops up every single 
 time I launch Finale!

 Giovanni


 

 Giovanni Andreani

 www.giovanniandreani.eu

 Expect your OS to significantly slow down on 10.9. But no problems with
 2014. Actually, a few crashes. I run it without any other apps.open,
 sometimes I need the inst. manual going in Safari. I went from Snow Leopard.

 Best!
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 On Mar 23, 2014, at 4:38 AM, Jari Williamsson
 jari.williams...@mailbox.swipnet.se wrote:

 On 2014-03-22 16:50, Mark McCarron wrote:
 I'm currently using Fin 2012 on a macpro. os 10.6.8 (snow leopard).
 My current set up is very stable.
 In order to upgrade to Fin 2014 I need to upgrade the OS. Should I go
 10.7 10.8 or 10.9?

 10.9.2 is the latest, and 10.9 is free and it should have the most
 fixes. 10.8 is also good, but stay away from 10.7.


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Re: [Finale] Fw: FIN/Mavericks midi/USB interface

[Eric Dannewitz]

Anything by MOTU is great. Their USB interface works flawlessly. I
also have an original 828, FireWire interface from 2002 that they
still support flawlessly on 10.9

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  Could someone throw me a bone on this one?  Much appreciated.

 GJB

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 Hi all

 What are people using for a midi interface that works with Mavericks 10.9 
 (newly updated!)?  Finding something that has up-to-date drivers is eluding 
 my capabilities.  Only 1 keyboard so small is good.

 TIA

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Re: [Finale] Using two versions at once.

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I have them open, and then drag files to whatever version of finale I
want them opened in

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 Anyone else run into this?

 I have two versions of Finale on my computer. (Mac) 2012 and 2014.  I have
 two clients, one using 2012 and the other 2014.  Opening 2012 in 2014
 should not be a problem, but is it possible to launch 2012 and open the
 first client's files in that version so that if I have to send it back with
 alterations or suggestions, it will stay in that version and not
 automatically open or save in 2014?

 I haven't had this situation before, and I'm not sure how to pull it off.

 Thanks for any clues!

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Re: [Finale] Spreadbury diary

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They also sell cars to anybody.and look at the drivers out there. They also 
sell violins to anybody.

A tool is a tool. If a publishing house lets complete crap out, you should tell 
them that by returning that crap. If a composer comes in with a piece, and 
its totally NOT readable, then you should tell them that. Point out what needs 
to be fixed. For YEARS I sucked at writing out rhythm section parts, 
particularly DRUM charts. I ASKED everyone who played my stuff what I can do 
better, and they tell me what is good or bad about the music. And I fix it. My 
parts now are damn good if I do say so, but it's because I've worked at it. 
I've honed the tool (Finale) to produce legible music.

Again, while Daniel has a nice blog post about these intellectual pursuits, 
like positioning rests, I think people are better served by just seeing how it 
should look in a score example and then doing it that way. I NEVER rely on 
Finale or Sibelius to do the right thing. Ever. If I don't know how to notate 
something, I go look for how to do it. If it is two lines on the same staff, 
and how to do the rests, I go look for examples of it. And then decide what 
looks readable/legible to me and do it that way.

I can't tell you how many times I go to a rehearsal, and some old band teacher 
brings in a chart they did on Finale or Sibelius that is just a massacre. 3 
pages longer than it needed to be. Spacing all weird. DS in the wrong place. 
Dynamics on some parts but not others. Rehearsal marks wrong. Measure numbers 
off. I just want to scream.

Oh, last time I checked, major publishers didn't just publish scores. Even if 
you had a finale or sibelius file, you had to send them the score (printed) and 
then they would redo it in house in their style. This might have changed, but 
it used to be the practice of how one big name publisher used to do it (even 
though they used Finale as well).


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 And here is Daniel Spreadbury's latest diary entry:
 
 http://blog.steinberg.net/2014/02/development-diary-part-the-fifth/
 
 I really appreciate the things he is discussing.  I play in a symphony 
 orchestra that does 5 subscription concerts a year.  In 2 of the last 4 
 concerts we were given music that was so horribly notated that it could 
 not be played well in the first reading by musicians of any caliber, 
 IMHO.  I was so angered by this inept notation that I rewrote many of 
 the more tedious parts for the musicians.  At the second reading, the 
 music worked fine.
 
 As the saying goes, They will sell a Finale license to anybody. These 
 were not bad compositions.  And I am certain the composers were 
 excellent musicians.  But their notation was terrible, yet two different 
 publishing houses let these pieces go out the door. It is embarrassing 
 to musicians to get tripped up by incompetent copyists.  That's a 
 hangin' offense in my book.
 
 I don't hold out much hope that publishers will recognize the error of 
 their ways and insist that competent copyists be engaged.  Indeed, the 
 reality is probably the opposite -- that publishers are likely to be 
 willing to accept crappier and crappier scores.  So to the extent that 
 notation programs will do a better job of encouraging best practices in 
 the future, I am all for that.
 
 I must say that the second half of Spreadbury's article dealing with how 
 to jam two utterly incompatible musical lines onto one staff proves the 
 point.  None of his examples ever have any business being on a shared 
 staff if played by two different musicians.  IMHO, the only time it is 
 acceptable to double- or triple-up parts is when: a) they all have 
 parallel motion, b) there are never any overlapping notes (other than a 
 clearly marked (A2) section, and c) there is never any ambiguity 
 whatsoever about which accidentals belong to which notes. (One of the 
 worst cases is where a low G is flatted in part 3, and an octave-higher 
 G appears later in the measure for part 1 and the flat is not shown -- 
 as if player 1 is supposed to be reading all three parts.) This all 
 comes down to the issue, do you want musicians to play the music 
 correctly or don't you?  If you want the music played correctly, then 
 notate it correctly.
 
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Re: [Finale] TGTools for 2014

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Did you put it in the MAIN library? ie: MacintoshHD/Library not the user 
library?

And did you make sure the older one isn't living in perhaps the users library?

I installed it just fine and it works great. I've now moved everything to 2014 
on my Macs.


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 When I downloaded it and installed it on my system, it made a mess of the
 Plug-ins menu like before. Plus, the Smart Explosion of multi-part
 stavesŠ plug in doesn't work, like before. That's one of the main TGTools
 plug-ins that I rely upon.
 -Brian
 
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Re: [Finale] TGTools for 2014

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It is working under 2014 for Mac, which it wasn't doing before

So, that part has been updated

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 Can you (Eric) or anyone confirm that this is really an update?  The version 
 number is the same for Macs, 2.60, and the creation date still says Dec 2009.

 Hmm.

 J D Thomas
 ThomaStudios

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Re: [Finale] Finale 2014a and Lion (OS X 10.7.5)

[Eric Dannewitz]

If you can, upgrade to 10.9.1 finale 2015 works fine and so do the
original bill Duncan fonts

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 On Jan 16, 2014, at 10:03 PM, Doug Walter dew...@earthlink.net wrote:

 Despite the almost constant appearance of the dreaded Mac beach ball, my 
 first project in Finale 2014 has been no day at the beach . . .

 The issue is extremely - agonizingly - unacceptably - sluggish behavior when 
 doing ANYTHING. Changing tools, scrolling pages, anything. I'm on an 8-core 
 2.26 GHz Mac Pro with 18GB of RAM, and it's always been plenty fast on even 
 the largest scores up till now (in Finale 2012).

 Disclaimer(s): this project involved expanding a score originally done years 
 ago in a much earlier version of Finale (not even sure which one at the 
 moment) from a 6-piece combo to a 17-piece big band with vocal. So I know I'm 
 possibly asking for trouble by not copying and pasting the previous 
 information (or re-entering it from scratch) into a new native 2014 document. 
 I know there can be lots of left-over garbage that can slow things down.

 That being said, in every version up till this one, when I've had to do 
 exactly what I described above, I've still been able to work efficiently with 
 only the most minimal occasional slowdown or glitch, even in an orchestral 
 score that started life years earlier in another version. So I'm wondering if 
 some combination of old file format, custom fonts (Bill Duncan chord symbol), 
 older OS and machine, and who knows what else might be causing this.

 I called tech support and his best guess was that it was file specific, and 
 I'm certainly hoping that's the case. I'll just have to finish this and then 
 start the next large score from scratch in 2014 and see if the same thing 
 develops as the score grows. Meanwhile, has anyone found that OS X10.7.5 
 (Lion) is just not up to the task of handling Finale 2014, as opposed to 
 Mountain Lion or Mavericks?

 Thanks for any insight. I'm not ready to upgrade to Mavericks on the Mac Pro 
 yet, although Mountain Lion would be easy enough if that would help.

 Doug

 P.S. I'm not (knowingly) experiencing any loss of data or crashes or anything 
 of the sort - just a sluggishness that will have me running back to 2012 to 
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Re: [Finale] tuplets in Finale 2014

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This doesn't make sense.

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 Recently I upgraded from Finale 2003 to 2014. I am having a strange problem 
 with the tuplet tool. I am trying to enter a dotted eight note followed by a 
 regular eight note as 5 16ths in the time of 4 16ths. Finale is letting me 
 enter 4 16ths, then, when I click on the tuplet tool, it shows my 4 16ths 
 followed by a dotted 32nd rest. Have any of you had this problem, and is 
 anyone familiar with the way of fixing or working around it?
 
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Re: [Finale] New Scripts

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Well, whenever TGTools starts working again with Finale 2014 I'm sure these 
scripts would be great to have

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 Hi all,
 I had fun creating my first scripts and I came up with 5 new scripts that 
 work well for me in my workflow. They are:
 Remove Higher notes Ctrl+N 
 Remove Lower Notes Ctrl+B
 Remove Ties Ctrl+T
 Favor Flats Ctrl+A
 Favor Sharps Ctrl+S
 
 I use Hyperscore to input my music. I also use Tie across bar-lines and 
 frequently get many unwanted ties. 
 So I made the script Remove Ties and assigned it to Ctrl+T. This of course 
 uses the wonderful JW plugin JW untie notes by Jari Williamssohn.
 
 Here is the script for Removing Ties:
 menu item Plugins/JW Plugins/JW Untie Notes
 
 Also in Hyperscore, I get a lot of unwanted doubled notes due to my legato 
 playing style.
 So I created two scripts, one for removing the higher note, and one for 
 removing the lower note:
 
 Removing Higher Notes:
 menu item TGTools/Modify/Special Modifications... 
 choose menu item Search And Modify
 check menu item All single notes:
 Type 2 in Nth note in chord (from top):
 check menu item Keep only (erase others):
 Press Go
 
 Removing Lower Notes:
 menu item TGTools/Modify/Special Modifications... 
 choose menu item Search And Modify
 check menu item All single notes
 Type 1 in Nth note in chord (from top)
 check menu item Keep only (erase others)
 Press Go
 
 Many passages will use sharps and flats in the same score.It is always a pain 
 to go and change these, so here is a script that changes them in a keystroke:
 
 This one Favors Flats:
 select window Finale 2012/Enharmonic Spelling
 apply Favor Flats
 menu item Utilities/Respell Notes
 
 
 This one Favors Sharps:
 select window Finale 2012/Enharmonic Spelling
 apply Favor Sharps
 menu item Utilities/Respell Notes
 
 It is important to choose a keystroke that works for you and you'll be good 
 to go!
 
 Best,
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Re: [Finale] 2014 limitation

[Eric Dannewitz]

Nope.

Kinda sucks, I use the pitch names thing in TGTools all the time as
well as the custom chord stuff

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 On Dec 19, 2013, at 10:10 PM, Ryan ry.squa...@gmail.com wrote:

 Has anyone heard anything as far as a timetable goes?


 On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 7:39 AM, Eric Dannewitz ericd...@jazz-sax.comwrote:

 yes, TGTools is busted on 2014 for Mac. I'm hoping there will be an update
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 TG Tools Align/Move keyboard shortcut is broken in 2014.  I don't know
 if this has been mentioned earlier.  If so, I may have missed it, but its
 absence is a significant workflow inhibitor.  I will report it.  Other
 irritated listers please join the effort.

 Thanks,

 Chuck


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Re: [Finale] Joining the Mac world

[Eric Dannewitz]

I'm confused, are you trying to get your preferences synced via Dropbox?

I use Finale on two difference Macs, and I just copied my Default Maestro file 
to both and everything is great.

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 Hi Jef and Linda,
 
 
 
 Jef, thanks for the advice. Unfortunately, nothing seems to work. File
 locations under Preferences  Folders seem to be using colons (Macintosh
 HD:users:bobmarks:dropbox: finale. ) and I tried using slashes, colons, and
 a combination of both (colons for the file locations, then slashes after
 dropbox). Nothing works. I'll keep trying though. And I did add Vienna
 to the MacSymbolFonts.txt - to no avail.
 
 
 
 Linda, with Dropbox pretty-much changing my work habits, I plan on using the
 iMac at my office, and the MacBook Air at home and on the road. They will
 both be running Finale 2012, and I'll have access to all my files via
 Dropbox. The iMac isn't so much a desktop in the old fashined sense, but a
 beautiful thin large monitor that somehow has a full computer built right
 inside. They start at about $1,300. As long as I'm lucky enough to have the
 Air for portability, and access to my files from anywhere, I should be
 covered. When changing over, I decided I'd get my MacBook to do everything I
 need, and then migrate those settings to the iMac when it arrives. I hope
 I'm right. Giving up Outlook wasn't without reservations, and I still miss
 Outlook's data entry, and features such as categories. But I'm trading
 that in for the synchronization of iCloud, and so far, it seems to be
 working. (I know there's Outlook for the Mac, but it doesn't synchronize
 using iCloud.)
 
 
 
 Thanks for the good wishes! 
 
 
 
 - Bob
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [Finale] Joining the Mac world

[Eric Dannewitz]

Well, the default file needs to be in ~/library/application
support/makemusic/finale 2012/

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 On Dec 16, 2013, at 1:48 PM, Robert Marks b...@bobmarks.com wrote:



 I'm confused, are you trying to get your preferences synced via Dropbox?



 Nope, it's just that Finale soesn't seem to be able to find my default file.
 I'll have to do more experimenting tomorrow and figure it out. And I'll also
 have to figure out why the Vienna font doesn't work!



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Re: [Finale] Finale 2014 and Mavericks

[Eric Dannewitz]

Well, if you can say to makemusic support that Logic Pro X, and several other 
DAWs or Kontkat work fine, then maybe they will believe you.

I haven't had any issues with Finale 2014 the little I have used it. I really 
haven't done much as I still really need TGTools to work on it before moving 
fully over to it.

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 I have been experiencing constant crashes since upgrading to FinMac2014.
 The Makemusic tech support noticed that my computer wasn't calling on the
 Mac sound driver/card correctly and suggested that I might have  hardware
 problem.
 
 Since I don't have any problems with any other music program, I am inclined
 to believe that this is bug with Finale 2014 and not my hardware.
 
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Re: [Finale] Finale 2014 and Mavericks

[Eric Dannewitz]

Works fine. 

The thing you need to watch out for is for drivers for any audio interfaces you 
might have


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 Considering updating my system between Christmas and New Year's. Is anyone
 currently using Finale 2014 with OS X Mavericks? Any problems? Anything I
 should watch out for?
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Re: [Finale] 2014 limitation

[Eric Dannewitz]

yes, TGTools is busted on 2014 for Mac. I'm hoping there will be an update soon

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 TG Tools Align/Move keyboard shortcut is broken in 2014.  I don't know if 
 this has been mentioned earlier.  If so, I may have missed it, but its 
 absence is a significant workflow inhibitor.  I will report it.  Other 
 irritated listers please join the effort.

 Thanks,

 Chuck


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Re: [Finale] Layoffs and reorganization announced at MakeMusic

[Eric Dannewitz]

Wow..smart move MakeMusicnot

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 Justin Phillips is no longer with MM. He'll be missed. Thanks Justin for the 
 hands-on help you've given the Finale list over the last few years.

 http://www.sibeliusblog.com/news/layoffs-and-reorganization-announced-at-makemusic/


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Re: [Finale] Layoffs and reorganization announced at MakeMusic

[Eric Dannewitz]

On Nov 20, 2013, at 7:55 AM, Craig Parmerlee cr...@parmerlee.com wrote:


What isn't so clear is what the new direction is.  Are they going the
way of Avid, essentially shutting it down and milking the cash cow?  It
doesn't really appear so.  If that isn't the idea, then what are they
trying to do?


Avids shutting down? I don't think so.


I would point out that Finale 2014 essentially provides no real
advancement in the start of the art.  It is clearly a better
implementation of the same old features than what we had with 2011 and
2012.  But there is nothing at all innovative in this package.  That's
not really a criticism.  Other than some typical bugs that I'm sure will
be worked out in due course, I really like Finale 2014 and don't regret
the upgrade at all.  It feels better to use.  Lots of little things
seem to work better,


It's easy to throw around there is no innovation, but what do you really
mean by that? Did they not include that feature that you wanted but you've
never spelled out? There are plenty of things that move notation forward in
finale 2014.



But without real innovation: a) you cannot ask much for the upgrade
price, and b) not many users will rush forward with their wallets open.
And that makes for a business case that simply doesn't work.  You have
to either strip it down to the thinnest possible skeleton crew or else
you have to make a commitment to truly innovate.  There is no middle
ground.  The cash cow strategy would be attractive financially, but
probably only works for another year or two as Steinberg and others
should be bringing fresher products to the market.


Again, what do you want? What would be real innovation? Making it work
better on Mac os x? Providing more sounds? Define a fileformat for the
future? What?

I think both finale and Sibelius are pretty much the top of what you can do
with notation. I don't really know what people expect other than little
refinements to the programs in each version.


The fact that MakeMusic did create several new openings gives me hope
that they are going to try to get back into an innovation mode, which is
the only way the product will be able to exist 5 years from now.


So your expert analysis is that these new openings are really the way
towards innovation? Hardly. Innovation starts at the top and I don't see
anything that makes me believe the top of the organization is poised to
magically start innovating. But I don't think they did what avid did,
which was to basically shit can the whole development team.

Also, I don't see the Steinberg guys doing anything amazing either.and
I have been following their blog. If they somehow merge cubase with
something like Sibelius then that would be awesome, butat this point
they don't have anything nor any real timeframe on anything.
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Re: [Finale] Layoffs and doubling down

[Eric Dannewitz]

My experience with venture capitalists is that they want to make
money. Period. And they usually invest in companies that have a goal
and actual potential. And MakeMusic does have this. In fact, their
smartmusic stuff is doing really well (supposedly subscriptions are
still being added).

Of the two (Sibelius and finale) I think finale is moving forward.
Avid is really all about protools and everything else is second
fiddle.

On Nov 20, 2013, at 8:03 AM, Craig Parmerlee cr...@parmerlee.com wrote:


 I hadn't thought of that, but you are right.  You would probably enjoy
 the NPR show A Way With Words if you are not already a regular listener.

 In this case, remember that the people running the company are venture
 capitalists, so they really are gamblers -- more so than the average
 business person.  To a gambler, doubling down may be a random, reckless
 reaction.  But it also may be a calculated move reflecting confidence in
 the face of favorable odds.

 My guess is that the ownership got pretty frusterated losing over 2
 years in an effort that may have greatly improved the product
 foundation, but doesn't really open up new revenue streams.  In that
 context, I translate doubling down to mean OK, we put the money into
 getting the product fixed.  Now we have to charge forward adding new
 capability that will fix our business, giving us a lot more revenue.

 In this sense, doubling down means you have an expectation of either
 hitting big or going bust.

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Re: [Finale] Layoffs and reorganization announced at MakeMusic

[Eric Dannewitz]

Finally, someone with some specifics instead of just throwing around the word 
innovation.

Vector editing would be interesting, especially if you could save those vectors 
in some sort of library.

Audio editing.not sure if that is a biggie. Finale does have, I think, the 
ability to include/record audio. But how many people actually use that?

What I'd like to see is way way better midi/notation integration. I'm still 
amazed at the poor midi output Finale generates when I dump a score out of it 
and load it into Digital Performer or Logic. 

On Nov 20, 2013, at 11:10 AM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz bath...@maltedmedia.com 
wrote:

 On Wed, November 20, 2013 11:15 am, Eric Dannewitz wrote:
 Again, what do you want? What would be real innovation? Making it work
 better on Mac os x? Providing more sounds? Define a fileformat for the
 future? What?
 I think both finale and Sibelius are pretty much the top of what you can do
 with notation. I don't really know what people expect other than little
 refinements to the programs in each version.
 
 This is what I posted in the NewMusicBox discussion a few weeks ago. This is
 what these programs can do, instead of mucking around in 'little refinements'
 -- come into the 21st century:
 
 ...It’s a far cry from the promise of notation software when Finale first
 arrived a quarter-century ago.
 
 My wishlist for notation software includes full vector graphical editing
 (right down to bending staves and having their contents follow), full audio
 editing capability linked to Sonar, Audition and Vegas (and whatever
 equivalent Mac folks use), integration where possible with Pd/AudioMulch/Max,
 pen (handwritten notation) input and editing, and integration/scripting of
 algorithmic and generative routines.
 
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Re: [Finale] Layoffs and reorganization announced at MakeMusic

[Eric Dannewitz]

On Nov 20, 2013, at 11:00 AM, Craig Parmerlee cr...@parmerlee.com wrote:

 On 11/20/2013 11:15 AM, Eric Dannewitz wrote:
 I think both finale and Sibelius are pretty much the top of what you can do
 with notation. I don't really know what people expect other than little
 refinements to the programs in each version.
 
 Everything about the process of notation can be made a full order of 
 magnitude more intuitive and productive.

But you fail to list anything

 
 Where are their future customers coming from?  There are many potential 
 customers who have tried these notation products and found them 
 overwhelming.  I know a lot of folks here wear the Finale learning curve 
 like a badge of honor.  But the flip side of that coin is that it 
 prevents sales to much larger numbers of customers. You have to make the 
 product less arcane by a factor of 10 to reach these customers.  And it 
 can be done.  It just takes more vision than has been demonstrated.

Honestly, there is hardly any difference in the learning curve of Finale 
compared to Sibelius. Finale 2014 is WAY less arcane than say Finale 2000. 
They have made HUGE leaps in making the program easier. Some of us might even 
call it dumbing down the program. 

Future customers? Honestly, you expect a notation software to take off like 
wild fire? Future customers are those who are interested in writing out pieces 
to be performed by people. There is a very very tiny market for that compared 
to say something like Ableton Live where you are looping stuff together and 
could care less what it looks like notated (and the average Ableton user 
probably can't read music to being with).

The future customers are going to be those concerned with the written/printed 
notation, and those persons are going to want and easy and flexible tool to 
use. Finale is that tool. Sibelius is easy, but you can't make it do stuff like 
you can in Finale.

 
 Moreover, a good part of the potential market is sophisticated musicians 
 (and educators) who are  very tuned into the broader world of music 
 technology.  If MakeMusic wants to reach the next generation of 
 musicians -- the real opinion leaders -- Finale will have to be much 
 more interoperable and seamless with the DAW world, and much more 
 inclusive of the best plug-in technologies that are ubiquitous in the 
 DAW world.

I don't really know how MakeMusic can make headway here. It does something, and 
does it well. It notates. While I'd LOVE to see it include DAW features, I 
don't think it will. That would be pretty much like writing a whole new program.

If you look at what Avid did when it first got Sibelius, the next version of 
ProTools had some rudimentary talking between the two programs. I don't think 
Avid has done anything since with that (I don't know as I don't use ProTools 
anymore currently). I think it was a great idea, but ProTools really doesn't 
have very good Midi editing abilities (at least last time I used it) compared 
to say Digital Performer.

Perhaps if big DAWs adopted MusicXML format..but that has been around for a 
long time, and I don't think ANY of the DAWs I use (Digital Performer or Logic 
X Pro) have anything MusicXML in them.


 
 Makemusic will not have a financially viable product in 2 years if they 
 do not embrace those concepts.  I realize that functionally, Finale will 
 continue to suit most folks here just fine, but there will simply not be 
 enough revenue to fund the product's continuation.  And I assure you 
 that venture people are very tuned in to the ROI.  They don't look upon 
 this as a civic cause or a charity.

So the concepts are what again? Make it less arcane to get more customers, 
make it more intuitive and productive, and make it interoperable and seamless 
with the DAW world.

Again, they are DOING that. What about just having MakeMusic make the best tool 
for notation that is out there? I think they are still doing that, and I will 
happily buy an upgrade when TGTools works with it.

Venture people invest in something that has potential. I worked at a startup 
that was trying to be bought by several venture capital companies, and they are 
very complete usually in looking at the books, talking to the staff about what 
is going on.


 
 Regarding Avid, the situation is much more severe than you described.  
 Sibelius is not being developed in any significant way. It is as close 
 to an  end-of-line product as one gets without formally announcing 
 that.  There may be small tactical releases in the future, and perhaps 
 some merging of function with ProTools, but no major new advancement of 
 the notation art.  The developers are all with Steinberg now.  It 
 appears to me the venture guys running MakeMusic have decided NOT to go 
 the direction that Avid went.  They are well aware of Steinberg's 
 efforts and fully understand they have something like an 18 month window 
 to establish their strongest position when the Steinberg product comes

Re: [Finale] Layoffs and reorganization announced at MakeMusic

[Eric Dannewitz]

These are great ideas. 

A lot of people use Digital Performer for scoring as it has fairly good editing 
of notation and is a full blown DAW.
http://www.motu.com/newsitems/marc-mann-on-dp-and-danny-elfman
http://www.motu.com/newsitems/and-the-oscar-goes-to-michael-giacchino
http://www.motu.com/newsitems/dario-marianelli-wins-oscar-for-best-music-original-score

And I believe Lord Of The Rings was scored using Digital Performer...

I sorta wish MOTU would have bought MakeMusic.

On Nov 20, 2013, at 11:46 AM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz bath...@maltedmedia.com 
wrote:

 On Wed, November 20, 2013 2:39 pm, Eric Dannewitz wrote:
 Audio editing.not sure if that is a biggie. Finale does have, I think, 
 the
 ability to include/record audio. But how many people actually use that?
 
 I'm not sure. I certainly do, and have for years. I have scores that include
 electronic sections that need to show as waveforms, fx tracks, include synth
 instrument versions, etc. It would be a great boon for scoring, say, to
 include and EDIT sound effects and music right in-score -- think of Vegas,
 with its music generator. The whole score could be built in place instead of
 swapping out to an audio application, bringing it back, stretching or
 shrinking, transposing, etc.
 
 What I'd like to see is way way better midi/notation integration. I'm still
 amazed at the poor midi output Finale generates when I dump a score out of it
 and load it into Digital Performer or Logic.
 
 INTEGRATION with them, exactly, so that edits in Logic or Sonar would appear
 in the Finale score, in the audio file, and multi-vice-versa.
 
 Dennis


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Re: [Finale] Layoffs and reorganization announced at MakeMusic

[Eric Dannewitz]

I use Digital Performer, and I don't see MusicXML. They do have Final Cut Pro 
XML, OMF, AAF, and AudioDesk (which I believe is a scaled down version of DP 
they ship with their hardware interfaces).

Generally, the midi from Finale is OK, but to really be able to switch back and 
forth between it and something else, MIDI isn't really going to do it..

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wrote:

 The likelihood that the Steinberg product will both A) meet its
 (unoffiicial mind you) release date target and B) be the be-all, end-all
 notation product some are touting it as is highly unlikely. I don't mean to
 sound like I would be unhappy if it happened, but I've been around this
 track too many times before.
 
 If they are saying now 18 months, then if it is one of the extremely few
 planned software projects lucky enough to actually see the light of day,
 36-48 months is a more likely release time frame. And while it will do some
 one thing the developers are determined to revolutionize far better than
 Fin or Sib, we'll be lucky if the overall feature set is 75% of what Fin
 and Sib have. And even that one revolutionized thing will probably only
 target a specific user subset.
 
 There is something enticing about a clean slate: a fresh architecture on
 contemporary toolsets. But the reality is, by the time you bring a large
 software project to market, your toolset that was so new at the beginning
 has been superceded and your wonderful flexibile program architecture has
 been utterly compromised by real-world demands.
 
 When it comes to software, I have far greater faith in incremental change.
 The incremental changes  in both Fin and Sib are actually pretty
 revolutionary when you consider them over the last 10-15 years. I am sorry
 to see Sib sidelined because it could slow the pace of change in Fin.
 Meanwhile, I hold out little hope for a software product whose only output
 so far is a couple of blog posts. I hope I'm wrong.
 
 BTW: Personally, I would see the many remaining notation deficiencies
 addressed before turning Finale into a DAW program. Maybe the various DAW
 companies (like MOTU) could be persuaded to support MusicXML? (Do they
 already? The only reason I say this is someone said they were using MIDI
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[Finale] Fwd: Finale 2014

[Eric Dannewitz]

Here is word about TGTools


Begin forwarded message:

*From:* tob...@tgtools.de
*Date:* November 5, 2013 3:25:10 AM PST
*To:* Eric Dannewitz ericd...@jazz-sax.com
*Subject:* *Re: Finale 2014*

Hello,

yes I will make an update.

Kind Regards,
Tobias Giesen

Super Flexible Software Ltd.  Co. KG
Buddenstr. 29-31
48143 Münster, Germany
www.superflexible.com
www.tgtools.com

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Re: [Finale] Finale 2014

[Eric Dannewitz]

True, but at least he's not throwing in the towel and abandoning it.
I'll happily wait until he updates it and maybe there will be a few
point releases to finale 2014 in the interm.

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On Nov 5, 2013, at 9:33 AM, J D Thomas j...@thomastudios.com wrote:

 I got the exact same message from Tobias this morning after I emailed him 
 yesterday.

 Alas, no timetable, but hopeful nonetheless.


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