Re: FM Search Tools

[Paul Findon]

On 7 Nov 2007, at 09:06, Shmuel Wolfson wrote:

Does anyone have a recommendation of a free or cheap search tools  
that does a good job searching FM files?


This won't help you because you're running Windows, but EasyFind by  
Devon Technologies is a great tool for searching the contents FM  
binary files on Mac OS X.


Mac OS X's Spotlight doesn't search in FrameMaker files because  
there's no plug-in available. EasyFind, however, does, and in my  
initial tests it appears to work brilliantly and helped me locate  
several FM files whose names I couldn't remember.


http://devon-technologies.com/download/

Paul

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FM Search Tools

[Shmuel Wolfson]

Does anyone have a recommendation of a free or cheap search tools that 
does a good job searching FM files?


Regards,
Shmuel Wolfson



Scott Prentice wrote:

Hi Jim...

A quick test shows me that the name of the referenced inset is visible 
as plain text within the binary FM file (FM7.2). I can't say for sure 
that this is 100% reliable, but I'll bet that it is. You should be 
able to do a text search (using a reliable tool .. not the default 
Windows Search) of the suspect inset host files using the filename of 
the inset.


The only other way I know of would be with an FDK plugin or 
FrameScript that would crawl the directory structure, open each file 
and look for the inset .. I don't think that such a plugin/script 
exists, but it would be fairly simple to create.


Good luck!

...scott

Scott Prentice
Leximation, Inc.
www.leximation.com
+1.415.485.1892



Pinkham, Jim wrote:

I've learned of an error in a text inset for one of our manuals. It
poses the obvious question of how many other manuals may carry the same
error. Is there a streamlined way to determine which manuals may contain
a particular text inset -- short of opening all 62 books and running the
archive plug-in on each?
 
TIA,

Jim




  

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Re: FM Search Tools

[Yves Barbion]

I use Windows Grep (www.wingrep.com) for this, but I've heard good things
about PowerGrep too (www.powergrep.com).

Good luck and best regards

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On Nov 7, 2007 10:06 AM, Shmuel Wolfson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Does anyone have a recommendation of a free or cheap search tools that
 does a good job searching FM files?

 Regards,
 Shmuel Wolfson



 Scott Prentice wrote:
  Hi Jim...
 
  A quick test shows me that the name of the referenced inset is visible
  as plain text within the binary FM file (FM7.2). I can't say for sure
  that this is 100% reliable, but I'll bet that it is. You should be
  able to do a text search (using a reliable tool .. not the default
  Windows Search) of the suspect inset host files using the filename of
  the inset.
 
  The only other way I know of would be with an FDK plugin or
  FrameScript that would crawl the directory structure, open each file
  and look for the inset .. I don't think that such a plugin/script
  exists, but it would be fairly simple to create.
 
  Good luck!
 
  ...scott
 
  Scott Prentice
  Leximation, Inc.
  www.leximation.com
  +1.415.485.1892
 
 
 
  Pinkham, Jim wrote:
  I've learned of an error in a text inset for one of our manuals. It
  poses the obvious question of how many other manuals may carry the same
  error. Is there a streamlined way to determine which manuals may
 contain
  a particular text inset -- short of opening all 62 books and running
 the
  archive plug-in on each?
 
  TIA,
  Jim
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: Tracing the Lineage of Text Insets

[Scott Prentice]

Yes .. excellent idea. BTW .. if you want an easy way to make an uber 
book, check out our ComboBook plugin (it's free) ..


   http://leximation.com/tools/info/combobook.php

...scott


Pinkham, Jim wrote:
Very cool idea, Carla. Thanks for this! 


-Original Message-
From: Martinek, Carla [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 11:07 AM

To: Pinkham, Jim; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Tracing the Lineage of Text Insets

Jim -

You don't need to run the archive plug-in on each book.  What you can do
is generate an LOR (List of References) file.  Showing text insets is
one of the options you can select when you create that file.  You're
still going to have to touch multiple files and/or books, no matter what
you do.  


Depending on how your file are stored, you *could* create a new book
just for this where you copy in all of the files from all of the books
(or folders).  Then add an LOR generated file the list.  


On the reference page setup, use these building blocks (you can remove
the default pagenum building block if you don't need it).

$fullfilename -- $referencename

	fullfilename = name of the path and container file 
	referencename = name of the text inset


You will get the full path and file name of the container document, and
then the name of the text inset.  Use a tab to divide the two building
blocks so that you can easily convert the text in the generated list to
a table and then sort it by the text inset name.

Hope this helps.

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Re: Tracing the Lineage of Text Insets

[Scott Prentice]

Hi Jim...

Many search programs have problems locating text within binary files .. 
some will just skip binary files entirely, others will just not do a 
good job at it. I've had good luck with TextPad's Find in Files 
command. It's very basic but doesn't seem to have problems with file 
types. You might want to make sure you're not doing a case sensitive 
search since it's possible that this may change on Windows.


Also .. I may be wrong about this always being visible as plain text .. 
in my sample files it was, but there may be situations where it's not 
the case. Just for kicks, you might try opening the file that was 
skipped (that you know has the inset) in Notepad and do a Find for the 
inset filename (I assume you're just searching on the filename, and not 
the path since FM uses its own platform independent delimiters). If you 
find it, you'll know that the search tool was in error .. if you don't 
find it, then that means this is not a reliable option for locating insets.


Let me know how it goes.

...scott



Pinkham, Jim wrote:

Hmm, Scott --

Quite possibly I'm missing something. I did a search in both Windows
Desktop Search (all files in the folder in question) and Windows Grep
2.3 (all .fm files and then all files *.*). For the inset in question
(JunkTrapOps.fm), I found the actual inset file in WDS and drew a total
blank in Windows Grep. At this writing, the inset is known to be in at
least six other files. Thoughts?

Jim

-Original Message-
From: Scott Prentice  
Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 3:50 PM

To: Pinkham, Jim
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Tracing the Lineage of Text Insets

Hi Jim...

A quick test shows me that the name of the referenced inset is visible
as plain text within the binary FM file (FM7.2). I can't say for sure
that this is 100% reliable, but I'll bet that it is. You should be able
to do a text search (using a reliable tool .. not the default Windows
Search) of the suspect inset host files using the filename of the inset.

The only other way I know of would be with an FDK plugin or FrameScript
that would crawl the directory structure, open each file and look for
the inset .. I don't think that such a plugin/script exists, but it
would be fairly simple to create.

Good luck!

...scott

Scott Prentice
Leximation, Inc.
www.leximation.com
+1.415.485.1892



Pinkham, Jim wrote:
  
I've learned of an error in a text inset for one of our manuals. It 
poses the obvious question of how many other manuals may carry the 
same error. Is there a streamlined way to determine which manuals may 
contain a particular text inset -- short of opening all 62 books and 
running the archive plug-in on each?
 
TIA,

Jim




  





  

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RE: LOM question, kind of

[Combs, Richard]

Bill Swallow wrote:

 Is there a way to create a list of images copied into 
 document? We can create a list of images imported by 
 reference easily enough.

Well, the latter consists of the path and name of the referenced files.
For embedded images, FM doesn't have that information, so the usefulness
of a list or index would be pretty limited: image1 p. 27, image2 p. 33,
...). Presumably, if the document has figure captions, a list of
figures gives you more/better information. 
 
 or...
 
 Is there an easy way to get a total count of all images in 
 use in a document, where some are imported and some are copied?

If they're all in anchored frames, and if you use a designated pgf
format for anchoring, you could do a list of paragraphs. 

If the doc uses neither figure captions nor dedicated frame anchor pgfs,
you could write a FrameScript to count and/or list by page all the frame
anchors. Or you could go through it manually (or using a FrameScript)
and insert captions and/or anchor pgfs to avoid this situation next
time. ;-) 

HTH!
Richard 


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RE: FM Search Tools

[Charles Beck]

You can also use the Copernic Desktop Search tool, which is free. This
thing is incredible! I use it all the time for many, many different
types of searches, including content in Frame files. You can customize
what types of files are indexed/searched, and it is incredibly fast. For
most file types (but not Frame), you can also preview the return
results. 

I recommend it highly, and the price is certainly right!

Chuck Beck

Sr. Technical Writer | Infor | Office: 614.523.7302 |
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To: Techshoret; Framers
Subject: FM Search Tools

Does anyone have a recommendation of a free or cheap search tools that
does a good job searching FM files?

Regards,
Shmuel Wolfson
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LOM question, kind of

[Bill Swallow]

Is there a way to create a list of images copied into document? We can
create a list of images imported by reference easily enough.

or...

Is there an easy way to get a total count of all images in use in a
document, where some are imported and some are copied?

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RE: Tracing the Lineage of Text Insets

[Pinkham, Jim]

Thanks, Scott --

FrameScript is probably not an option at the moment, but the search info
is useful. I'll give this a try and report back a bit later.

Jim

-Original Message-
From: Scott Prentice [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 3:50 PM
To: Pinkham, Jim
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Tracing the Lineage of Text Insets

Hi Jim...

A quick test shows me that the name of the referenced inset is visible
as plain text within the binary FM file (FM7.2). I can't say for sure
that this is 100% reliable, but I'll bet that it is. You should be able
to do a text search (using a reliable tool .. not the default Windows
Search) of the suspect inset host files using the filename of the inset.

The only other way I know of would be with an FDK plugin or FrameScript
that would crawl the directory structure, open each file and look for
the inset .. I don't think that such a plugin/script exists, but it
would be fairly simple to create.

Good luck!

...scott

Scott Prentice
Leximation, Inc.
www.leximation.com
+1.415.485.1892



Pinkham, Jim wrote:
 I've learned of an error in a text inset for one of our manuals. It 
 poses the obvious question of how many other manuals may carry the 
 same error. Is there a streamlined way to determine which manuals may 
 contain a particular text inset -- short of opening all 62 books and 
 running the archive plug-in on each?
  
 TIA,
 Jim




   
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RE: Upgrade Anger to Tech Comm Suite.

[richard.melanson]

 P.S. It's generally not a great idea to cross-post to a bunch of lists as you 
did, because it means that many people who respond will get annoying junk 
messages from the lists to which they don't belong.

You are correct, in my anger I wanted everyone to know, I will not to do this 
again, my apologies. 
Rick



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From: Art Campbell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 5:31 PM
To: TEI Melanson, Richard
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 
framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Upgrade Anger to Tech Comm Suite.

Well, 7-8 weeks is sort of in a grey area, I think. Adobe and most other 
vendors that I'm familiar with will give you at least a 30-day window; Adobe 
sometimes extends the window beyond that.

However, I disagree that we all knew that Adobe knew when the Suite was 
shipping; if they  actually had, they probably would have announced it when 
they shipped FM 8 in order to make a bigger splash.
I suspect that the actual date and release info was dependent on other software 
packages' readiness, so I don't think you were a victim of a bait-and-switch.

That said, since you ordered online, I think I'd look into what your credit 
card company can do for you if you're not satisfied with the product you 
purchased. Also, I'd ring Adobe back and insist on speaking with a supervisor 
in sales and work out an upgrade path...

Art

P.S. It's generally not a great idea to cross-post to a bunch of lists as you 
did, because it means that many people who respond will get annoying junk 
messages from the lists to which they don't belong.


On Nov 6, 2007 5:10 PM,  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I just got off the phone with Adobe and I don't feel good about the answer I 
 received. I purchased FrameMaker 8 seven or eight weeks ago. I got it pretty 
 quickly after it was released. I paid the full online price and I downloaded 
 the file from Adobe. Well, I just called and asked what could Adobe do for me 
 as I want to purchase the Tech Comm Suite. Their answer was NOTHING. Now we 
 all know that Adobe KNEW when I bought FrameMaker 8 that the Tech Comm suite 
 was coming out, why did they make me spend all my money. For almost the same 
 price as I purchased the FrameMaker 8 license, I could have purchased the 
 entire suite if I waited a few weeks. I do have one of the qualifying 
 products to get the upgrade price for the Tech Comm Suite. I just think this 
 is bad business. anyone else have this issue or on the other side of the 
 coin, do you guys think I am unrealistic to be upset. Thank you all for your 
 thoughts.
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OT: Send an email when a script finishes

[Rick Quatro]

Hello Framers,

I need to send an email after a script finishes. Any ideas on how to do this 
would be appreciated. Thanks.


Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing
585-659-8267
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RE: Possible Frame6+SGML Issue only MIF to Native and OLE graphics

[Combs, Richard]

Dan Vint wrote:
 
  As these files are saved back to Native (via FrameScript) 
 I'm getting the following error/warning from Frame:
  SnagIt.jpg
 This has occurred on 4 different books, not sure if they have 
 been all Frame 6 or not, but this last one is 6. One of the 
 books we couldn't track the problem down and had to rebuild 
 it. The other 3 seem to all be related to embedded OLE 
 graphics. Is there some known problem with OLE embedded 
 graphics or an issue with saving from MIF back to Native?

I haven't a clue about your MIF washing process, but why in the world
would you use OLE, with all its overhead and potential problems, to
import JPEG graphics, for which FM has a filter? Use File  Import 
File, not File  Import  Object. 

For that matter, don't use JPEG for screen shots (I'm guessing from the
SnagIt reference that that's what you're dealing with) -- it's a lossy
format best suited to continuous-tone images like photos and poorly
suited to reproducing sharp edges and text. Better choices are PNG, GIF,
and TIF. FM can import all three file types -- no OLE, please! :-) 

HTH!
Richard


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Re: trouble adding extra line to master page header

[Stuart Rogers]

Jeremy H. Griffith wrote:

The trouble with this solution is that you have now removed the
line from every other header that has just one line.  If you apply 
the change only to the current instance to avoid that, you have 
an override, which will disappear if the formats are updated from 
a template.  This isn't good practice.


Another way for the OP to handle this problem is to keep the header 
one paragraph, but add a second line to it using Shift-Enter.  Then
the blue line will remain below the second text line, and no changes 
to the format are required.




An alternative would be to draw the blue line along the bottom of the 
header frame on the master page(s) and leave the pgf tags with no Frame 
Below referenced.  Then it wouldn't matter if the header content was one 
line or two, and you wouldn't need to add blank lines.


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RE: Tracing the Lineage of Text Insets

[Pinkham, Jim]

Hmm, Scott --

Quite possibly I'm missing something. I did a search in both Windows
Desktop Search (all files in the folder in question) and Windows Grep
2.3 (all .fm files and then all files *.*). For the inset in question
(JunkTrapOps.fm), I found the actual inset file in WDS and drew a total
blank in Windows Grep. At this writing, the inset is known to be in at
least six other files. Thoughts?

Jim

-Original Message-
From: Scott Prentice [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 3:50 PM
To: Pinkham, Jim
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Tracing the Lineage of Text Insets

Hi Jim...

A quick test shows me that the name of the referenced inset is visible
as plain text within the binary FM file (FM7.2). I can't say for sure
that this is 100% reliable, but I'll bet that it is. You should be able
to do a text search (using a reliable tool .. not the default Windows
Search) of the suspect inset host files using the filename of the inset.

The only other way I know of would be with an FDK plugin or FrameScript
that would crawl the directory structure, open each file and look for
the inset .. I don't think that such a plugin/script exists, but it
would be fairly simple to create.

Good luck!

...scott

Scott Prentice
Leximation, Inc.
www.leximation.com
+1.415.485.1892



Pinkham, Jim wrote:
 I've learned of an error in a text inset for one of our manuals. It 
 poses the obvious question of how many other manuals may carry the 
 same error. Is there a streamlined way to determine which manuals may 
 contain a particular text inset -- short of opening all 62 books and 
 running the archive plug-in on each?
  
 TIA,
 Jim




   
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Re: FM Search Tools

[Doug]

On 11/7/07, Shmuel Wolfson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Does anyone have a recommendation of a free or cheap search tools that
 does a good job searching FM files?

I think Agent Ransack kicks serious bootay...

--Doug
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RE: FM Search Tools

[Pinkham, Jim]

I've used Windows Desktop Search daily for about a year. It does a great
job of searching numerous file types including .fm and .pdf files. 

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Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 3:06 AM
To: Techshoret; Framers
Subject: FM Search Tools

Does anyone have a recommendation of a free or cheap search tools that
does a good job searching FM files?

Regards,
Shmuel Wolfson



Scott Prentice wrote:
 Hi Jim...

 A quick test shows me that the name of the referenced inset is visible

 as plain text within the binary FM file (FM7.2). I can't say for sure 
 that this is 100% reliable, but I'll bet that it is. You should be 
 able to do a text search (using a reliable tool .. not the default 
 Windows Search) of the suspect inset host files using the filename of 
 the inset.

 The only other way I know of would be with an FDK plugin or 
 FrameScript that would crawl the directory structure, open each file 
 and look for the inset .. I don't think that such a plugin/script 
 exists, but it would be fairly simple to create.

 Good luck!

 ...scott

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 Pinkham, Jim wrote:
 I've learned of an error in a text inset for one of our manuals. It 
 poses the obvious question of how many other manuals may carry the 
 same error. Is there a streamlined way to determine which manuals may

 contain a particular text inset -- short of opening all 62 books and 
 running the archive plug-in on each?
  
 TIA,
 Jim




   
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Re: OT: Send an email when a script finishes

[Chris Borokowski]

Another option is to have it send a web request to a mailscript on the
server of your choice.

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Re: Possible Frame6+SGML Issue only MIF to Native and OLE graphics

[Rick Quatro]

Hi Dan,

One thing to consider: it may be better to do your string replacements in 
FrameMaker without going to MIF and back. Since you are using FrameScript, 
you may be able to do these replacements in the binary file (depending on 
what exactly you are doing).


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I have a process in which I run both Frame 6 and 7 documents through an
automated build. One step in this effort is to save all the files to MIF
and do some string replacements on the file, then save that result back
to Native form so I can print the documents. Note that is this case no
substitutions were made, so it is just a round tripping of the files
from MIF to Native

As these files are saved back to Native (via FrameScript) I'm getting
the following error/warning from Frame:
SnagIt.jpg
This has occurred on 4 different books, not sure if they have been all
Frame 6 or not, but this last one is 6. One of the books we couldn't
track the problem down and had to rebuild it. The other 3 seem to all be
related to embedded OLE graphics. Is there some known problem with OLE
embedded graphics or an issue with saving from MIF back to Native?

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RE: Tracing the Lineage of Text Insets

[Pinkham, Jim]

Very cool idea, Carla. Thanks for this! 

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Subject: RE: Tracing the Lineage of Text Insets

Jim -

You don't need to run the archive plug-in on each book.  What you can do
is generate an LOR (List of References) file.  Showing text insets is
one of the options you can select when you create that file.  You're
still going to have to touch multiple files and/or books, no matter what
you do.  

Depending on how your file are stored, you *could* create a new book
just for this where you copy in all of the files from all of the books
(or folders).  Then add an LOR generated file the list.  

On the reference page setup, use these building blocks (you can remove
the default pagenum building block if you don't need it).

$fullfilename -- $referencename

fullfilename = name of the path and container file 
referencename = name of the text inset

You will get the full path and file name of the container document, and
then the name of the text inset.  Use a tab to divide the two building
blocks so that you can easily convert the text in the generated list to
a table and then sort it by the text inset name.

Hope this helps.

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RE: FM Search Tools

[Pinkham, Jim]

I just downloaded Agent Ransack. Fairly impressive. For the task I'm
after (locating the name of a text inset file in Frame binaries), it
pulled five of the six known instances -- better than the other two
tools I tried at 0 hits and 1 hit -- and it did so quickly. I also liked
the fact that it showed progress as it went and displayed results in the
window on the fly.

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Re: Upgrade Anger to Tech Comm Suite

[David Creamer]

 why did they make me spend all my money. 

Can you explain how they MADE you spend you money again?

Full Suite Price: $1599 US
Full FrameMaker Price: $899
Suite Upgrade: $999

Call Adobe and talk to a manager to see if you can upgrade from your current
Frame 8. (Since the Frame in the Suite is slightly modified, technically
your version is a previous version). That way, you are only out $300.

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Re: Translation

[Stuart Rogers]

Harold Winberg wrote:

Hello Framers:

Can anyone tell me about translation? I am currently interested in
translating technical manuals and parts lists that are in Frame 7.2 from
English to Arabic and French.



http://lingosystems.com/

has a free Guide to Translation and Localization that you may find helpful.

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RE: non-breaking slash - FM sequence?

[Fred Ridder]

Kenneth Benson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) suggested (in part):
 For Frame 8 (I don't have it yet) you *might* be able to disallow breaks 
 at slashes and then selectively re-allow breaks at slashes by following 
 the slash with a zero width space (U+200B, I don't know how to get one 
 except by copying it from Character Map). This doesn't work in Frame 7.2 
 (because 7.2 is not Unicode-aware).
This approach might also work with thin spaces in older versions of 
FrameMaker, which are not zero width but are unnoticeablke to at least
98% of readers. But I must admit that I've never tested to see if 
FrameMaker does indeed break lines after thin spaces, and it's too 
late in the evening to trust the results if I try it now. :^)
 
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Re: non-breaking slash - FM sequence?

[Rick Henkel]

Orly Zimmerman wrote:
HI All, 


Does anyone have an idea as to what the FM sequence is for a
non-breaking slash - you know, like a non-breaking space is
Control-Space and non-breaking hyphen is Esc - h - 

 


I couldn't find it in the help - so if the answer is that there is none
- how would you prevent I/O within a sentence from breaking at the end
of a line (assuming you cannot control the page width)?

  


I would create a non-breaking slash variable, which I believe would have 
a variable definition of \/. Then, rather than typing a slash, insert 
that variable.



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RE: Possible Frame6+SGML Issue only MIF to Native and OLE graphics

[Fred Ridder]

Dan Vint ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) asked:
 
 To support OLE reading the graphic back in, do I need to have the
 original application? This is the primary difference I could think of.
 Out build machine might not have Office for something from Word for
 instance, but that would be common on our personal machines.
 
As far as I know, OLE requires not only that the originating application 
be installed on every machine that will use the file, but that it's the 
same version of the tool and is installed in a directory of the same 
name in the same relation to the FrameMaker installation. It's an 
unreasonably tall order unless you have a *very* methodical (and
dictatorial...) IT department, which is why it is so risky to use OLE 
embedding rather than simple file linking. 
 
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RE: non-breaking slash - FM sequence?

[Fred Ridder]

Orly Zimmerman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) asked:
 Does anyone have an idea as to what the FM sequence is for a
 non-breaking slash - you know, like a non-breaking space is
 Control-Space and non-breaking hyphen is Esc - h - 
 
 I couldn't find it in the help - so if the answer is that there is none
 - how would you prevent I/O within a sentence from breaking at the end
 of a line (assuming you cannot control the page width)?
 
FrameMaker does not have a non-breaking slash. The best you can 
do is to remove it from the list of characters where FrameMaker will
break a line. Go to FormatDocumentText Options and delete the
slash from its default position at the beginning of the list in the
Allow Line Breaks After box. (The other break characters that
are specified by default are the hyphen, the en-dash and the 
em-dash.)  Note that this setting is on a *per-file* basis, and 
that it is dangerous to try to import it from one file into others 
because it is lumped together with a bunch of unrelated items in
the Document Properties group in the Import Formats dialog.
 
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RE: Possible Frame6+SGML Issue only MIF to Native and OLE graphics

[Dan Vint]

I'm on the build side of the house and its my writers who pick and
choose what they use in terms of formats. I have to react and support
what they do or provide workarounds. I'm not sure if OLE is 100% of the
problem or not, we have only had a few instances of this problem in the
thousands of files that are in our build process. This may have been
going on for sometime, but our old build process wasn't displaying these
same errors, so that is one curiosity about all of this that bothers me
the most. It would be a different story if suddenly I had a new writer
that was starting to do things this way, I would be more willing to say
DON'T DO THIS. But as this is something that has been going through the
previous build with no detectible problems it makes it a little harder
to set this rule.

Ultimately, if I can't make the build work, we will come back and say
don't do this and when we find instances of embedding, we will have the
writer rework the files. 

FYI, I haven't really paid attention to the formats that we use for
graphics, I just used the jpeg as it was what the tool (SnagIt) produced
I think by default.

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 Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 8:08 AM
 To: Dan Vint; framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: RE: Possible Frame6+SGML Issue only MIF to Native 
 and OLE graphics
 
 Dan Vint wrote:
  
   As these files are saved back to Native (via FrameScript) 
  I'm getting the following error/warning from Frame:
   SnagIt.jpg
  This has occurred on 4 different books, not sure if they have 
  been all Frame 6 or not, but this last one is 6. One of the 
  books we couldn't track the problem down and had to rebuild 
  it. The other 3 seem to all be related to embedded OLE 
  graphics. Is there some known problem with OLE embedded 
  graphics or an issue with saving from MIF back to Native?
 
 I haven't a clue about your MIF washing process, but why in the world
 would you use OLE, with all its overhead and potential problems, to
 import JPEG graphics, for which FM has a filter? Use File  Import 
 File, not File  Import  Object. 
 
 For that matter, don't use JPEG for screen shots (I'm 
 guessing from the
 SnagIt reference that that's what you're dealing with) -- it's a lossy
 format best suited to continuous-tone images like photos and poorly
 suited to reproducing sharp edges and text. Better choices 
 are PNG, GIF,
 and TIF. FM can import all three file types -- no OLE, please! :-) 
 
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RE: Possible Frame6+SGML Issue only MIF to Native and OLE graphics

[Dan Vint]

Thanks I'll give that tool a review.

Upon further testing, I'm wondering what the requirements are for
supporting OLE embedded graphics. I was able to load and process this
file on my local desktop both via the FrameScripts and by hand. But when
I took this to my build machine it failed with the scripts and it failed
by hand.

To support OLE reading the graphic back in, do I need to have the
original application? This is the primary difference I could think of.
Out build machine might not have Office for something from Word for
instance, but that would be common on our personal machines.

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 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 On Behalf Of Jeremy H. Griffith
 Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 8:19 PM
 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: Re: Possible Frame6+SGML Issue only MIF to Native 
 and OLE graphics
 
 On Tue, 6 Nov 2007 13:25:09 -0800, Dan Vint [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 I have a process in which I run both Frame 6 and 7 documents 
 through an
 automated build. One step in this effort is to save all the 
 files to MIF
 and do some string replacements on the file, then save that 
 result back
 to Native form so I can print the documents. Note that is 
 this case no
 substitutions were made, so it is just a round tripping of the files
 from MIF to Native.
 
 That has always worked flawlessly for every version of Frame 
 I've used,
 which goes back to Frame 3 on SunOS...  ;-)
 
  As these files are saved back to Native (via FrameScript) 
 I'm getting
 the following error/warning from Frame:
  SnagIt.jpg 
 This has occurred on 4 different books, not sure if they 
 have been all
 Frame 6 or not, but this last one is 6. One of the books we couldn't
 track the problem down and had to rebuild it. The other 3 
 seem to all be
 related to embedded OLE graphics. Is there some known 
 problem with OLE
 embedded graphics or an issue with saving from MIF back to Native?
 
 There shouldn't be.  OLE objects are preserved in MIF just as 
 any other
 imported graphics are.  However, since they are embedded, and 
 not referenced,
 they are subject to the same troubles as other embedded 
 graphics, which
 includ potential loss of data if there's inadequate disk space for the
 temporary files Frame generates when saving them.  Check your Windows 
 system environment variables for the TMP and TEMP 
 directories, and make 
 sure the drive referenced in them is not close to full.
 
 Aside from that, one cross-check you could try is to use 
 Wash via MIF,
 which is a File-menu item added by the Mif2Go plugin.  It 
 works fine for
 both books and individual files in the demo version, which is free:
   http://www.omsys.com/dcl/download.htm
 You only need to install the plugin files, m2rbook.dll and 
 m2gframe.dll.
 Wash works by saving as MIF, then reloading the MIF and 
 saving as Frame 
 binary.  If you don't see the same problem there, you may 
 want to check 
 the FrameScript code to see what options you are using for 
 the saves to 
 MIF and to Frame binary.  I don't know of a particular one that would 
 have that effect, but it's not impossible...
 
 HTH!
 
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RE: Possible Frame6+SGML Issue only MIF to Native and OLE graphics

[Dan Vint]

A relative path of ./filename is ok, but a relative path of
../../product/version/filename is not. These are on the same drive. So I
guess if I pass some information in about the actual book I might be
able to work this out but the two paths are going to be very similar:

./filename will look like c:\edocswork\wlp\admin\admin.fm
While
../../ales/docs30/userguide/file1.fm is going to look like:
C:\edocswork\ales\docs30\usergudie\file1.fm

So I would need to know that I was working on wlp and admin to detect
that this was a ./ path.

Also depending upon if I was to process this document at the root level
or down a couple of directories I'm not sure what ../../ is going to
translate to if I'm at the C:\.

Anyway, I could probably do this, I was just surprised at the result I
was finding for a pathname. It wasn't going to be a direct string
compare of ../../ to make my fix, so I put it aside in FrameScript.

My other substitution for DOCROOT will probably be easier than this
relative path because of the way Frame/FrameScript is presenting the
information to me, I was just less sure of the places this could occur.

My other error may force me to go back in and reevaluate this option,
but for now its working for the task its supposed to do.

Thanks for the ideas though.

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 From: Rick Quatro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 10:02 AM
 To: Dan Vint; framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: Re: Possible Frame6+SGML Issue only MIF to Native 
 and OLE graphics
 
 Hi Dan,
 
 FrameScript (and the FDK) always report the absolute paths to 
 imported 
 graphics, text insets, and external cross-references. You 
 have to compare 
 the path of the current document to that of the imported graphic to 
 determine if it is a relative or absolute path. The rule is 
 fairly simple, 
 though; if the document and graphic are on different drives, 
 then the path 
 is absolute, otherwise the path is relative. Again, 
 FrameScript and the FDK 
 will always show the entire absolute path.
 
 There are times when it is useful to see a relative path. I have a 
 FrameScript function that takes a source path and a target 
 path and builds a 
 relative path from the source to the target.
 
 Rick Quatro
 Carmen Publishing
 585-659-8267
 www.frameexpert.com
 
 
 
  My first attempt was to try and replace the process that 
 was here under
  dzBatcher so that is what I have ended up with so far and this issue
  might be enough to try a different direction. Ultimately I 
 hate these
  sorts of problems that I can't find an explanation for. Why did
  dzBatcher work with no problem on these files, but my new 
 FrameScript
  environment is catching the issue. Not knowing what 
 dzBatcher was doing
  under the covers it might have been somehow ignoring this 
 problem and we
  just never detected the problem - oh well.
 
  I was trying your recommendation for a different set of replacements
  that occur in HyperText links. Actually the process I was 
 trying this
  approach on was for some books that didn't follow the guidelines for
  linking and uses the string replace process that is causing troubles
  I've reported here. So this one set of books creates 
 hypertext links in
  a non-standard BEA way and linked directly to books in outside
  directories. Normally we have the writer insert
  DOCROOT/product/version/filename and my string replace would insert
  something for DOCROOT that was appropriate for the HTML or 
 the PDF we
  generate. These books instead of using DOCROOT, used a 
 relative path, so
  something like ../../product/version/filename. So I was trying to
  replace the ../../ with the same info I would replace 
 DOCROOT with. When
  I looked at these with FrameScript, the path that showed up 
 was expanded
  based upon the file system (machine and file directory) the file was
  being processed on. So instead of seeing a relative path, I 
 was getting
  a resolved path based upon where the file was in its 
 current location.
  So instead of seeing ../../ I was getting something like
  c:/edocswork/ales/userguide/docs30/file1.
 
  The problem with this is I wanted to just search and 
 replace for paths
  with ../../ in them. Instead I had full paths. Where this 
 had a problem
  was that links to files in the current book had full paths 
 that say the
  book was for wlp would look like 
 c:\edocswork\wlp\admingguide\file1 so
  there was no easy way to tell when this full path was a 
 relative path or
  not. But when I go to the MIF, it is very easy to find the relative
  paths because they aren't expanded in the MIF output.
 
  I haven't researched DOCROOT substitutions at this point, 
 mainly because
  I'm not 100% sure where it might be used in the book. So a 
 file level
  search and replace in MIF gets all 

non-breaking slash - FM sequence?

[Orly Zimmerman]

HI All, 

Does anyone have an idea as to what the FM sequence is for a
non-breaking slash - you know, like a non-breaking space is
Control-Space and non-breaking hyphen is Esc - h - 

 

I couldn't find it in the help - so if the answer is that there is none
- how would you prevent I/O within a sentence from breaking at the end
of a line (assuming you cannot control the page width)?

 

Thanks, 

Orly

 

Orly Zimmerman

Technical Writer

CPBU Documentation

Marvell DSPC - Petach Tikva

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RE: Possible Frame6+SGML Issue only MIF to Native and OLE graphics

[Dan Vint]

My first attempt was to try and replace the process that was here under
dzBatcher so that is what I have ended up with so far and this issue
might be enough to try a different direction. Ultimately I hate these
sorts of problems that I can't find an explanation for. Why did
dzBatcher work with no problem on these files, but my new FrameScript
environment is catching the issue. Not knowing what dzBatcher was doing
under the covers it might have been somehow ignoring this problem and we
just never detected the problem - oh well.

I was trying your recommendation for a different set of replacements
that occur in HyperText links. Actually the process I was trying this
approach on was for some books that didn't follow the guidelines for
linking and uses the string replace process that is causing troubles
I've reported here. So this one set of books creates hypertext links in
a non-standard BEA way and linked directly to books in outside
directories. Normally we have the writer insert
DOCROOT/product/version/filename and my string replace would insert
something for DOCROOT that was appropriate for the HTML or the PDF we
generate. These books instead of using DOCROOT, used a relative path, so
something like ../../product/version/filename. So I was trying to
replace the ../../ with the same info I would replace DOCROOT with. When
I looked at these with FrameScript, the path that showed up was expanded
based upon the file system (machine and file directory) the file was
being processed on. So instead of seeing a relative path, I was getting
a resolved path based upon where the file was in its current location.
So instead of seeing ../../ I was getting something like
c:/edocswork/ales/userguide/docs30/file1.

The problem with this is I wanted to just search and replace for paths
with ../../ in them. Instead I had full paths. Where this had a problem
was that links to files in the current book had full paths that say the
book was for wlp would look like c:\edocswork\wlp\admingguide\file1 so
there was no easy way to tell when this full path was a relative path or
not. But when I go to the MIF, it is very easy to find the relative
paths because they aren't expanded in the MIF output.

I haven't researched DOCROOT substitutions at this point, mainly because
I'm not 100% sure where it might be used in the book. So a file level
search and replace in MIF gets all instances. I don't think without
processing every type of object in a loop if there is a way to do this
in FrameScript. But I haven't spent a lot of time researching this
approach yet. I had enough surprises with the one where I knew that this
would only appear in markers, I ended up with a couple of different
markers I had to look at.

..dan

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 -Original Message-
 From: Rick Quatro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 4:36 AM
 To: Dan Vint; framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: Re: Possible Frame6+SGML Issue only MIF to Native 
 and OLE graphics
 
 Hi Dan,
 
 One thing to consider: it may be better to do your string 
 replacements in 
 FrameMaker without going to MIF and back. Since you are using 
 FrameScript, 
 you may be able to do these replacements in the binary file 
 (depending on 
 what exactly you are doing).
 
 Rick Quatro
 Carmen Publishing
 585-659-8267
 www.frameexpert.com
 
 
 I have a process in which I run both Frame 6 and 7 documents 
 through an
  automated build. One step in this effort is to save all the 
 files to MIF
  and do some string replacements on the file, then save that 
 result back
  to Native form so I can print the documents. Note that is 
 this case no
  substitutions were made, so it is just a round tripping of the files
  from MIF to Native
 
  As these files are saved back to Native (via FrameScript) 
 I'm getting
  the following error/warning from Frame:
  SnagIt.jpg
  This has occurred on 4 different books, not sure if they 
 have been all
  Frame 6 or not, but this last one is 6. One of the books we couldn't
  track the problem down and had to rebuild it. The other 3 
 seem to all be
  related to embedded OLE graphics. Is there some known 
 problem with OLE
  embedded graphics or an issue with saving from MIF back to Native?
 
  ..dan
 
  ***
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  Office: 408-570-8554
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Re: non-breaking slash - FM sequence?

[Kenneth C. Benson]

Orly Zimmerman wrote:


I couldn't find it in the help - so if the answer is that there is none
- how would you prevent I/O within a sentence from breaking at the end
of a line (assuming you cannot control the page width)?



Fred is right; this is usually dealt with by disallowing breaks at 
slashes. But you might not want to disallow breaks at slashes, 
particularly if your copy has a lot of URLs.


You can also play around with spread to force the line to break 
elsewhere. Not a great solution.


For Frame 8 (I don't have it yet) you *might* be able to disallow breaks 
at slashes and then selectively re-allow breaks at slashes by following 
the slash with a zero width space (U+200B, I don't know how to get one 
except by copying it from Character Map). This doesn't work in Frame 7.2 
(because 7.2 is not Unicode-aware).


If someone with Frame 8 wants to test this, I'd be interested to know if 
it can be done: Just fill a couple lines with letters with no spaces, 
type a single space somewhere near the end of the measure, and if it 
results in an unhyphenated line break, take it out and paste a zero 
width space you copied from Character Map (in Advanced view, Go to 
Unicode 200B). If this works (the way I'd like it to), you'll get a line 
break the same way you would if you inserted a space, but if you move 
text around so that zero width space no longer causes a break, it should 
be completely invisible (i.e., take up no space when not allowing the 
break).


Kenneth Benson
Pegasus Type, Inc.
www.pegtype.com
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Framers Digest, Vol 25, Issue 4

[Sean Pollock]

The most recent versions of Frame/Acrobat supposedly allow you to embed a Flash 
animation in a PDF, though this might be specific to Adobe's upcoming 
communications suite. If this is true, you could theoretically create a Flash 
.swf that calls other .swf files on a server, provided you set sandbox settings 
for both. On the server side, you'd have to set up some script to cycle the 
banner ads. 

Obviously, this wouldn't update "every time the PDF is opened, every time a 
page is turned," but would probably refresh as often as the PDF-based .swf was 
set to call the server. You'd also have to consider what happens if the PDF 
reader has no Internet connection. Regarding the idea of sending an "HTTP 
request for an ad banner FROM the end-user machine IP, tagged such that it 
credits the PDF-hosting author (for payment)," Flash can pass information to 
another .swf, which could theorhetically pass it to another object such as a 
PERL or ASP script, but I'm not sure you can grab the IP. An easier way might 
be to give the .swf within the PDF a unique ID for each copy, which is then 
returned to the server after the PDF has been opened by the person reading it. 

I'm obviously not sure how all this works or whether it's even supported--Adobe 
may have its own security issues with a .swf embedded in the PDF (if the PDF 
isn't security enabled, I could see hackers adding potentially hazardous pages 
to your PDF--arghh).

Interesting idea for any Flash geeks out there, anyway :).

Sean Pollock
Siemens (UGS) PLM Software



> Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 08:48:00 -0700> From: david at davidartman.com> To: 
> framers at lists.frameusers.com> Subject: RE: Framers Digest, Vol 25, Issue 
> 4> > Hi, all; long time no post!> > I have an unusual question about PDF 
> generation that I hope this list> can answer.> > For a gaming product 
> (role-playing, not computer), we want to be able to> embed ad banners which 
> are refreshed every time the PDF is opened, every> time a page is turned, in 
> the footer of the book. Those refreshes would> pull the banners from a 
> standard ad revolver (like Google Ads), thereby> generating an ad view with a 
> unique IP (per user/reader), thereby> generating ad revenue to pay for the 
> free PDF hosting (with maybe some> left over for the author).> > The first 
> idea I had is much more limited: have the PDF distilled by the> server for 
> each download, which would embed whatever ads are queued in> the ad revolver, 
> BUT the ads would then be static and fixed PLUS the ad> request would always 
> be from the server doing the distillation (i.e.> worth less revenue; possibly 
> even none).> > The second idea is more "active," but it doesn't solve the 
> sever-only ad> request problem: I thought of having the footer contain an 
> embedded,> URL-referenced image on the server, which is refreshed 
> (server-side)> after each HTTP request, thus changing the ad every page 
> (good) but> which would result in the requests always being made from the 
> same> server (bad to worthless).> > In summary: I need a way to embed active, 
> URL-referenced content which> causes an HTTP request for an ad banner FROM 
> the end-user machine IP,> tagged such that it credits the PDF-hosting author 
> (for payment), EVERY> page turn (i.e. every page render in Reader).> > 
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FM Search Tools

[Shmuel Wolfson]

Does anyone have a recommendation of a free or cheap search tools that 
does a good job searching FM files?

Regards,
Shmuel Wolfson



Scott Prentice wrote:
> Hi Jim...
>
> A quick test shows me that the name of the referenced inset is visible 
> as plain text within the binary FM file (FM7.2). I can't say for sure 
> that this is 100% reliable, but I'll bet that it is. You should be 
> able to do a text search (using a reliable tool .. not the default 
> Windows Search) of the suspect inset host files using the filename of 
> the inset.
>
> The only other way I know of would be with an FDK plugin or 
> FrameScript that would crawl the directory structure, open each file 
> and look for the inset .. I don't think that such a plugin/script 
> exists, but it would be fairly simple to create.
>
> Good luck!
>
> ...scott
>
> Scott Prentice
> Leximation, Inc.
> www.leximation.com
> +1.415.485.1892
>
>
>
> Pinkham, Jim wrote:
>> I've learned of an error in a text inset for one of our manuals. It
>> poses the obvious question of how many other manuals may carry the same
>> error. Is there a streamlined way to determine which manuals may contain
>> a particular text inset -- short of opening all 62 books and running the
>> archive plug-in on each?
>>  
>> TIA,
>> Jim
>>
>>
>>
>>
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FM Search Tools

[Paul Findon]

On 7 Nov 2007, at 09:06, Shmuel Wolfson wrote:

> Does anyone have a recommendation of a free or cheap search tools  
> that does a good job searching FM files?

This won't help you because you're running Windows, but EasyFind by  
Devon Technologies is a great tool for searching the contents FM  
binary files on Mac OS X.

Mac OS X's Spotlight doesn't search in FrameMaker files because  
there's no plug-in available. EasyFind, however, does, and in my  
initial tests it appears to work brilliantly and helped me locate  
several FM files whose names I couldn't remember.



Paul

Upgrade Anger to Tech Comm Suite.

[Shmuel Wolfson]

Yes, but it comes with the top of the line version of Adobe Acrobat, so 
that's a consideration.


Regards,
Shmuel Wolfson



Kenneth C. Benson wrote:
> richard.melanson at us.tel.com wrote:
>
>> I just got off the phone with Adobe and I don't feel good about the 
>> answer I received. 
>
> I'm not sure the suites are that good a deal. I like to upgrade 
> certain programs (Indesign and Framemaker) every release. But with 
> other programs I don't feel like I need the latest release all the 
> time. So when I go to upgrade, I don't want to pay to upgrade the 
> whole suite just to get Framemaker.
>
> Yes, you could have gotten more for the same price. But what about 
> next version? You're going to be able to upgrade FM for a few hundred 
> dollars while suite owners will have to upgrade the entire suite, 
> probably for more than double your upgrade price.
>
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FM Search Tools

[Yves Barbion]

I use Windows Grep (www.wingrep.com) for this, but I've heard good things
about PowerGrep too (www.powergrep.com).

Good luck and best regards

-- 
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Documentation Architect
Adobe-Certified FrameMaker Instructor





On Nov 7, 2007 10:06 AM, Shmuel Wolfson  wrote:

> Does anyone have a recommendation of a free or cheap search tools that
> does a good job searching FM files?
>
> Regards,
> Shmuel Wolfson
>
>
>
> Scott Prentice wrote:
> > Hi Jim...
> >
> > A quick test shows me that the name of the referenced inset is visible
> > as plain text within the binary FM file (FM7.2). I can't say for sure
> > that this is 100% reliable, but I'll bet that it is. You should be
> > able to do a text search (using a reliable tool .. not the default
> > Windows Search) of the suspect inset host files using the filename of
> > the inset.
> >
> > The only other way I know of would be with an FDK plugin or
> > FrameScript that would crawl the directory structure, open each file
> > and look for the inset .. I don't think that such a plugin/script
> > exists, but it would be fairly simple to create.
> >
> > Good luck!
> >
> > ...scott
> >
> > Scott Prentice
> > Leximation, Inc.
> > www.leximation.com
> > +1.415.485.1892
> >
> >
> >
> > Pinkham, Jim wrote:
> >> I've learned of an error in a text inset for one of our manuals. It
> >> poses the obvious question of how many other manuals may carry the same
> >> error. Is there a streamlined way to determine which manuals may
> contain
> >> a particular text inset -- short of opening all 62 books and running
> the
> >> archive plug-in on each?
> >>
> >> TIA,
> >> Jim
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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Possible Frame6+SGML Issue only MIF to Native and OLE graphics

[Rick Quatro]

Hi Dan,

One thing to consider: it may be better to do your string replacements in 
FrameMaker without going to MIF and back. Since you are using FrameScript, 
you may be able to do these replacements in the binary file (depending on 
what exactly you are doing).

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com


>I have a process in which I run both Frame 6 and 7 documents through an
> automated build. One step in this effort is to save all the files to MIF
> and do some string replacements on the file, then save that result back
> to Native form so I can print the documents. Note that is this case no
> substitutions were made, so it is just a round tripping of the files
> from MIF to Native
>
> As these files are saved back to Native (via FrameScript) I'm getting
> the following error/warning from Frame:
> <>
> This has occurred on 4 different books, not sure if they have been all
> Frame 6 or not, but this last one is 6. One of the books we couldn't
> track the problem down and had to rebuild it. The other 3 seem to all be
> related to embedded OLE graphics. Is there some known problem with OLE
> embedded graphics or an issue with saving from MIF back to Native?
>
> ..dan
>
> ***
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> BEA Systems
>
> Home: 510-522-4703 (generally working from home)
> Office: 408-570-8554
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OT: Send an email when a script finishes

[Rick Quatro]

Hello Framers,

I need to send an email after a script finishes. Any ideas on how to do this 
would be appreciated. Thanks.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com

Tracing the Lineage of Text Insets

[Pinkham, Jim]

Thanks, Scott --

FrameScript is probably not an option at the moment, but the search info
is useful. I'll give this a try and report back a bit later.

Jim

-Original Message-
From: Scott Prentice [mailto:s...@leximation.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 3:50 PM
To: Pinkham, Jim
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Tracing the Lineage of Text Insets

Hi Jim...

A quick test shows me that the name of the referenced inset is visible
as plain text within the binary FM file (FM7.2). I can't say for sure
that this is 100% reliable, but I'll bet that it is. You should be able
to do a text search (using a reliable tool .. not the default Windows
Search) of the suspect inset host files using the filename of the inset.

The only other way I know of would be with an FDK plugin or FrameScript
that would crawl the directory structure, open each file and look for
the inset .. I don't think that such a plugin/script exists, but it
would be fairly simple to create.

Good luck!

...scott

Scott Prentice
Leximation, Inc.
www.leximation.com
+1.415.485.1892



Pinkham, Jim wrote:
> I've learned of an error in a text inset for one of our manuals. It 
> poses the obvious question of how many other manuals may carry the 
> same error. Is there a streamlined way to determine which manuals may 
> contain a particular text inset -- short of opening all 62 books and 
> running the archive plug-in on each?
>  
> TIA,
> Jim
>
>
>
>
>   

Upgrade Anger to Tech Comm Suite.

[richard.melan...@us.tel.com]

 "P.S. It's generally not a great idea to cross-post to a bunch of lists as you 
did, because it means that many people who respond will get annoying junk 
messages from the lists to which they don't belong."

You are correct, in my anger I wanted everyone to know, I will not to do this 
again, my apologies. 
Rick



-Original Message-
From: Art Campbell [mailto:art.campb...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 5:31 PM
To: TEI Melanson, Richard
Cc: techcomm at user.itconsult.co.uk; techwr-l at lists.techwr-l.com; TCP at 
techcommpros.com; framers at frameusers.com; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Upgrade Anger to Tech Comm Suite.

Well, 7-8 weeks is sort of in a grey area, I think. Adobe and most other 
vendors that I'm familiar with will give you at least a 30-day window; Adobe 
sometimes extends the window beyond that.

However, I disagree that "we all knew that Adobe knew" when the Suite was 
shipping; if they  actually had, they probably would have announced it when 
they shipped FM 8 in order to make a bigger splash.
I suspect that the actual date and release info was dependent on other software 
packages' readiness, so I don't think you were a victim of a bait-and-switch.

That said, since you ordered online, I think I'd look into what your credit 
card company can do for you if you're not satisfied with the product you 
purchased. Also, I'd ring Adobe back and insist on speaking with a supervisor 
in sales and work out an upgrade path...

Art

P.S. It's generally not a great idea to cross-post to a bunch of lists as you 
did, because it means that many people who respond will get annoying junk 
messages from the lists to which they don't belong.


On Nov 6, 2007 5:10 PM,   wrote:
> I just got off the phone with Adobe and I don't feel good about the answer I 
> received. I purchased FrameMaker 8 seven or eight weeks ago. I got it pretty 
> quickly after it was released. I paid the full online price and I downloaded 
> the file from Adobe. Well, I just called and asked what could Adobe do for me 
> as I want to purchase the Tech Comm Suite. Their answer was NOTHING. Now we 
> all know that Adobe KNEW when I bought FrameMaker 8 that the Tech Comm suite 
> was coming out, why did they make me spend all my money. For almost the same 
> price as I purchased the FrameMaker 8 license, I could have purchased the 
> entire suite if I waited a few weeks. I do have one of the qualifying 
> products to get the upgrade price for the Tech Comm Suite. I just think this 
> is bad business. anyone else have this issue or on the other side of the 
> coin, do you guys think I am unrealistic to be upset. Thank you all for your 
> thoughts.
> Rick
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FM Search Tools

[Pinkham, Jim]

I've used Windows Desktop Search daily for about a year. It does a great
job of searching numerous file types including .fm and .pdf files. 

-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces+jim.pinkham=voith@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+jim.pinkham=voith.com at lists.frameusers.com] On
Behalf Of Shmuel Wolfson
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 3:06 AM
To: Techshoret; Framers
Subject: FM Search Tools

Does anyone have a recommendation of a free or cheap search tools that
does a good job searching FM files?

Regards,
Shmuel Wolfson



Scott Prentice wrote:
> Hi Jim...
>
> A quick test shows me that the name of the referenced inset is visible

> as plain text within the binary FM file (FM7.2). I can't say for sure 
> that this is 100% reliable, but I'll bet that it is. You should be 
> able to do a text search (using a reliable tool .. not the default 
> Windows Search) of the suspect inset host files using the filename of 
> the inset.
>
> The only other way I know of would be with an FDK plugin or 
> FrameScript that would crawl the directory structure, open each file 
> and look for the inset .. I don't think that such a plugin/script 
> exists, but it would be fairly simple to create.
>
> Good luck!
>
> ...scott
>
> Scott Prentice
> Leximation, Inc.
> www.leximation.com
> +1.415.485.1892
>
>
>
> Pinkham, Jim wrote:
>> I've learned of an error in a text inset for one of our manuals. It 
>> poses the obvious question of how many other manuals may carry the 
>> same error. Is there a streamlined way to determine which manuals may

>> contain a particular text inset -- short of opening all 62 books and 
>> running the archive plug-in on each?
>>  
>> TIA,
>> Jim
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>   
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Upgrade Anger to Tech Comm Suite

[David Creamer]

> why did they make me spend all my money. 

Can you explain how they MADE you spend you money again?

Full Suite Price: $1599 US
Full FrameMaker Price: $899
Suite Upgrade: $999

Call Adobe and talk to a manager to see if you can upgrade from your current
Frame 8. (Since the Frame in the Suite is slightly modified, technically
your version is a "previous" version). That way, you are only out $300.

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FM Search Tools

[Doug]

On 11/7/07, Shmuel Wolfson  wrote:
> Does anyone have a recommendation of a free or cheap search tools that
> does a good job searching FM files?

I think Agent Ransack kicks serious bootay...

--Doug

LOM question, kind of

[Bill Swallow]

Is there a way to create a list of images copied into document? We can
create a list of images imported by reference easily enough.

or...

Is there an easy way to get a total count of all images in use in a
document, where some are imported and some are copied?

-- 
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Tracing the Lineage of Text Insets

[Pinkham, Jim]

Hmm, Scott --

Quite possibly I'm missing something. I did a search in both Windows
Desktop Search (all files in the folder in question) and Windows Grep
2.3 (all .fm files and then all files *.*). For the inset in question
(JunkTrapOps.fm), I found the actual inset file in WDS and drew a total
blank in Windows Grep. At this writing, the inset is known to be in at
least six other files. Thoughts?

Jim

-Original Message-
From: Scott Prentice [mailto:s...@leximation.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 3:50 PM
To: Pinkham, Jim
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Tracing the Lineage of Text Insets

Hi Jim...

A quick test shows me that the name of the referenced inset is visible
as plain text within the binary FM file (FM7.2). I can't say for sure
that this is 100% reliable, but I'll bet that it is. You should be able
to do a text search (using a reliable tool .. not the default Windows
Search) of the suspect inset host files using the filename of the inset.

The only other way I know of would be with an FDK plugin or FrameScript
that would crawl the directory structure, open each file and look for
the inset .. I don't think that such a plugin/script exists, but it
would be fairly simple to create.

Good luck!

...scott

Scott Prentice
Leximation, Inc.
www.leximation.com
+1.415.485.1892



Pinkham, Jim wrote:
> I've learned of an error in a text inset for one of our manuals. It 
> poses the obvious question of how many other manuals may carry the 
> same error. Is there a streamlined way to determine which manuals may 
> contain a particular text inset -- short of opening all 62 books and 
> running the archive plug-in on each?
>  
> TIA,
> Jim
>
>
>
>
>   

FM Search Tools

[Pinkham, Jim]

I just downloaded Agent Ransack. Fairly impressive. For the task I'm
after (locating the name of a text inset file in Frame binaries), it
pulled five of the six known instances -- better than the other two
tools I tried at 0 hits and 1 hit -- and it did so quickly. I also liked
the fact that it showed progress as it went and displayed results in the
window on the fly.

Jim

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[mailto:framers-bounces+jim.pinkham=voith.com at lists.frameusers.com] On
Behalf Of Doug
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 9:03 AM
To: Shmuel Wolfson
Cc: Framers
Subject: Re: FM Search Tools

On 11/7/07, Shmuel Wolfson  wrote:
> Does anyone have a recommendation of a free or cheap search tools that

> does a good job searching FM files?

I think Agent Ransack kicks serious bootay...

--Doug
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Translation

[Stuart Rogers]

Harold Winberg wrote:
> Hello Framers:
> 
> Can anyone tell me about translation? I am currently interested in
> translating technical manuals and parts lists that are in Frame 7.2 from
> English to Arabic and French.
> 

http://lingosystems.com/

has a free Guide to Translation and Localization that you may find helpful.

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Yet, who leaves for work?

trouble adding extra line to master page header

[Stuart Rogers]

Jeremy H. Griffith wrote:
> The trouble with this solution is that you have now removed the
> line from every other header that has just one line.  If you apply 
> the change only to the current instance to avoid that, you have 
> an override, which will disappear if the formats are updated from 
> a template.  This isn't good practice.
> 
> Another way for the OP to handle this problem is to keep the header 
> one paragraph, but add a second line to it using Shift-Enter.  Then
> the blue line will remain below the second text line, and no changes 
> to the format are required.
> 

An alternative would be to draw the blue line along the bottom of the 
header frame on the master page(s) and leave the pgf tags with no Frame 
Below referenced.  Then it wouldn't matter if the header content was one 
line or two, and you wouldn't need to add blank lines.

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Possible Frame6+SGML Issue only MIF to Native and OLE graphics

[Combs, Richard]

Dan Vint wrote:

>  As these files are saved back to Native (via FrameScript) 
> I'm getting the following error/warning from Frame:
>  <>
> This has occurred on 4 different books, not sure if they have 
> been all Frame 6 or not, but this last one is 6. One of the 
> books we couldn't track the problem down and had to rebuild 
> it. The other 3 seem to all be related to embedded OLE 
> graphics. Is there some known problem with OLE embedded 
> graphics or an issue with saving from MIF back to Native?

I haven't a clue about your MIF washing process, but why in the world
would you use OLE, with all its overhead and potential problems, to
import JPEG graphics, for which FM has a filter? Use File > Import >
File, not File > Import > Object. 

For that matter, don't use JPEG for screen shots (I'm guessing from the
SnagIt reference that that's what you're dealing with) -- it's a lossy
format best suited to continuous-tone images like photos and poorly
suited to reproducing sharp edges and text. Better choices are PNG, GIF,
and TIF. FM can import all three file types -- no OLE, please! :-) 

HTH!
Richard


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FM Search Tools

[Charles Beck]

You can also use the Copernic Desktop Search tool, which is free. This
thing is incredible! I use it all the time for many, many different
types of searches, including content in Frame files. You can customize
what types of files are indexed/searched, and it is incredibly fast. For
most file types (but not Frame), you can also preview the return
results. 

I recommend it highly, and the price is certainly right!

Chuck Beck

Sr. Technical Writer | Infor | Office: 614.523.7302 |
Charles.Beck at infor.com 


-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces+jim.pinkham=voith@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+jim.pinkham=voith.com at lists.frameusers.com] On
Behalf Of Shmuel Wolfson
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 3:06 AM
To: Techshoret; Framers
Subject: FM Search Tools

Does anyone have a recommendation of a free or cheap search tools that
does a good job searching FM files?

Regards,
Shmuel Wolfson

LOM question, kind of

[Combs, Richard]

Bill Swallow wrote:

> Is there a way to create a list of images copied into 
> document? We can create a list of images imported by 
> reference easily enough.

Well, the latter consists of the path and name of the referenced files.
For embedded images, FM doesn't have that information, so the usefulness
of a list or index would be pretty limited: "image1 p. 27, image2 p. 33,
..."). Presumably, if the document has figure captions, a list of
figures gives you more/better information. 

> or...
> 
> Is there an easy way to get a total count of all images in 
> use in a document, where some are imported and some are copied?

If they're all in anchored frames, and if you use a designated pgf
format for anchoring, you could do a list of paragraphs. 

If the doc uses neither figure captions nor dedicated frame anchor pgfs,
you could write a FrameScript to count and/or list by page all the frame
anchors. Or you could go through it manually (or using a FrameScript)
and insert captions and/or anchor pgfs to avoid this situation next
time. ;-) 

HTH!
Richard 


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Tracing the Lineage of Text Insets

[Martinek, Carla]

Jim -

You don't need to run the archive plug-in on each book.  What you can do
is generate an LOR (List of References) file.  Showing text insets is
one of the options you can select when you create that file.  You're
still going to have to touch multiple files and/or books, no matter what
you do.  

Depending on how your file are stored, you *could* create a new book
just for this where you copy in all of the files from all of the books
(or folders).  Then add an LOR generated file the list.  

On the reference page setup, use these building blocks (you can remove
the default pagenum building block if you don't need it).

<$fullfilename> -- <$referencename>

fullfilename = name of the path and container file 
referencename = name of the text inset

You will get the full path and file name of the container document, and
then the name of the text inset.  Use a tab to divide the two building
blocks so that you can easily convert the text in the generated list to
a table and then sort it by the text inset name.

Hope this helps.

-Carla

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Tracing the Lineage of Text Insets

[Pinkham, Jim]

Very cool idea, Carla. Thanks for this! 

-Original Message-
From: Martinek, Carla [mailto:cmarti...@zebra.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 11:07 AM
To: Pinkham, Jim; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Tracing the Lineage of Text Insets

Jim -

You don't need to run the archive plug-in on each book.  What you can do
is generate an LOR (List of References) file.  Showing text insets is
one of the options you can select when you create that file.  You're
still going to have to touch multiple files and/or books, no matter what
you do.  

Depending on how your file are stored, you *could* create a new book
just for this where you copy in all of the files from all of the books
(or folders).  Then add an LOR generated file the list.  

On the reference page setup, use these building blocks (you can remove
the default pagenum building block if you don't need it).

<$fullfilename> -- <$referencename>

fullfilename = name of the path and container file 
referencename = name of the text inset

You will get the full path and file name of the container document, and
then the name of the text inset.  Use a tab to divide the two building
blocks so that you can easily convert the text in the generated list to
a table and then sort it by the text inset name.

Hope this helps.

-Carla

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Tracing the Lineage of Text Insets

[Scott Prentice]

Hi Jim...

Many search programs have problems locating text within binary files .. 
some will just skip binary files entirely, others will just not do a 
good job at it. I've had good luck with TextPad's "Find in Files" 
command. It's very basic but doesn't seem to have problems with file 
types. You might want to make sure you're not doing a case sensitive 
search since it's possible that this may change on Windows.

Also .. I may be wrong about this always being visible as plain text .. 
in my sample files it was, but there may be situations where it's not 
the case. Just for kicks, you might try opening the file that was 
skipped (that you know has the inset) in Notepad and do a Find for the 
inset filename (I assume you're just searching on the filename, and not 
the path since FM uses its own platform independent delimiters). If you 
find it, you'll know that the search tool was in error .. if you don't 
find it, then that means this is not a reliable option for locating insets.

Let me know how it goes.

...scott



Pinkham, Jim wrote:
> Hmm, Scott --
>
> Quite possibly I'm missing something. I did a search in both Windows
> Desktop Search (all files in the folder in question) and Windows Grep
> 2.3 (all .fm files and then all files *.*). For the inset in question
> (JunkTrapOps.fm), I found the actual inset file in WDS and drew a total
> blank in Windows Grep. At this writing, the inset is known to be in at
> least six other files. Thoughts?
>
> Jim
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Scott Prentice  
> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 3:50 PM
> To: Pinkham, Jim
> Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: Tracing the Lineage of Text Insets
>
> Hi Jim...
>
> A quick test shows me that the name of the referenced inset is visible
> as plain text within the binary FM file (FM7.2). I can't say for sure
> that this is 100% reliable, but I'll bet that it is. You should be able
> to do a text search (using a reliable tool .. not the default Windows
> Search) of the suspect inset host files using the filename of the inset.
>
> The only other way I know of would be with an FDK plugin or FrameScript
> that would crawl the directory structure, open each file and look for
> the inset .. I don't think that such a plugin/script exists, but it
> would be fairly simple to create.
>
> Good luck!
>
> ...scott
>
> Scott Prentice
> Leximation, Inc.
> www.leximation.com
> +1.415.485.1892
>
>
>
> Pinkham, Jim wrote:
>   
>> I've learned of an error in a text inset for one of our manuals. It 
>> poses the obvious question of how many other manuals may carry the 
>> same error. Is there a streamlined way to determine which manuals may 
>> contain a particular text inset -- short of opening all 62 books and 
>> running the archive plug-in on each?
>>  
>> TIA,
>> Jim
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>   
>> 
>
>
>
>   

OT: Send an email when a script finishes

[Scott Prentice]

Hey Rick...

Unless you're running a web server on the same machine, the easiest way 
would be to use some command line email utility. Do a Google search on 
"command line email" and you'll see lots of options. An open source 
utility called Blat looks interesting.

Cheers,

...scott

Scott Prentice
Leximation, Inc.
www.leximation.com
+1.415.485.1892



Rick Quatro wrote:
> Hello Framers,
>
> I need to send an email after a script finishes. Any ideas on how to 
> do this would be appreciated. Thanks.
>
> Rick Quatro
> Carmen Publishing
> 585-659-8267
> www.frameexpert.com
>
>

Tracing the Lineage of Text Insets

[Scott Prentice]

Yes .. excellent idea. BTW .. if you want an easy way to make an uber 
book, check out our ComboBook plugin (it's free) ..

http://leximation.com/tools/info/combobook.php

...scott


Pinkham, Jim wrote:
> Very cool idea, Carla. Thanks for this! 
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Martinek, Carla [mailto:CMartinek at zebra.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 11:07 AM
> To: Pinkham, Jim; framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: RE: Tracing the Lineage of Text Insets
>
> Jim -
>
> You don't need to run the archive plug-in on each book.  What you can do
> is generate an LOR (List of References) file.  Showing text insets is
> one of the options you can select when you create that file.  You're
> still going to have to touch multiple files and/or books, no matter what
> you do.  
>
> Depending on how your file are stored, you *could* create a new book
> just for this where you copy in all of the files from all of the books
> (or folders).  Then add an LOR generated file the list.  
>
> On the reference page setup, use these building blocks (you can remove
> the default pagenum building block if you don't need it).
>
>   <$fullfilename> -- <$referencename>
>
>   fullfilename = name of the path and container file 
>   referencename = name of the text inset
>
> You will get the full path and file name of the container document, and
> then the name of the text inset.  Use a tab to divide the two building
> blocks so that you can easily convert the text in the generated list to
> a table and then sort it by the text inset name.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> -Carla
>  
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Possible Frame6+SGML Issue only MIF to Native and OLE graphics

[Rick Quatro]

Hi Dan,

FrameScript (and the FDK) always report the absolute paths to imported 
graphics, text insets, and external cross-references. You have to compare 
the path of the current document to that of the imported graphic to 
determine if it is a relative or absolute path. The rule is fairly simple, 
though; if the document and graphic are on different drives, then the path 
is absolute, otherwise the path is relative. Again, FrameScript and the FDK 
will always show the entire absolute path.

There are times when it is useful to see a relative path. I have a 
FrameScript function that takes a source path and a target path and builds a 
relative path from the source to the target.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com



> My first attempt was to try and replace the process that was here under
> dzBatcher so that is what I have ended up with so far and this issue
> might be enough to try a different direction. Ultimately I hate these
> sorts of problems that I can't find an explanation for. Why did
> dzBatcher work with no problem on these files, but my new FrameScript
> environment is catching the issue. Not knowing what dzBatcher was doing
> under the covers it might have been somehow ignoring this problem and we
> just never detected the problem - oh well.
>
> I was trying your recommendation for a different set of replacements
> that occur in HyperText links. Actually the process I was trying this
> approach on was for some books that didn't follow the guidelines for
> linking and uses the string replace process that is causing troubles
> I've reported here. So this one set of books creates hypertext links in
> a non-standard BEA way and linked directly to books in outside
> directories. Normally we have the writer insert
> DOCROOT/product/version/filename and my string replace would insert
> something for DOCROOT that was appropriate for the HTML or the PDF we
> generate. These books instead of using DOCROOT, used a relative path, so
> something like ../../product/version/filename. So I was trying to
> replace the ../../ with the same info I would replace DOCROOT with. When
> I looked at these with FrameScript, the path that showed up was expanded
> based upon the file system (machine and file directory) the file was
> being processed on. So instead of seeing a relative path, I was getting
> a resolved path based upon where the file was in its current location.
> So instead of seeing ../../ I was getting something like
> c:/edocswork/ales/userguide/docs30/file1.
>
> The problem with this is I wanted to just search and replace for paths
> with ../../ in them. Instead I had full paths. Where this had a problem
> was that links to files in the current book had full paths that say the
> book was for wlp would look like c:\edocswork\wlp\admingguide\file1 so
> there was no easy way to tell when this full path was a relative path or
> not. But when I go to the MIF, it is very easy to find the relative
> paths because they aren't expanded in the MIF output.
>
> I haven't researched DOCROOT substitutions at this point, mainly because
> I'm not 100% sure where it might be used in the book. So a file level
> search and replace in MIF gets all instances. I don't think without
> processing every type of object in a loop if there is a way to do this
> in FrameScript. But I haven't spent a lot of time researching this
> approach yet. I had enough surprises with the one where I knew that this
> would only appear in markers, I ended up with a couple of different
> markers I had to look at.
>
> ..dan
>
> ***
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> Engineer Sr.
> BEA Systems
>
> Home: 510-522-4703 (generally working from home)
> Office: 408-570-8554
> IM Yahoo: dvint1_99
>
> dvint at bea.com

OT: Send an email when a script finishes

[Chris Borokowski]

Another option is to have it send a web request to a mailscript on the
server of your choice.

--- Scott Prentice  wrote:

> Unless you're running a web server on the same machine, the easiest
> way 
> would be to use some command line email utility. Do a Google search
> on 
> "command line email" and you'll see lots of options. An open source 
> utility called Blat looks interesting.


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non-breaking slash - FM sequence?

[Orly Zimmerman]

HI All, 

Does anyone have an idea as to what the FM sequence is for a
non-breaking slash - you know, like a non-breaking space is
"Control-Space" and non-breaking hyphen is "Esc - h" - 



I couldn't find it in the help - so if the answer is that there is none
- how would you prevent "I/O" within a sentence from breaking at the end
of a line (assuming you cannot control the page width)?



Thanks, 

Orly



Orly Zimmerman

Technical Writer

CPBU Documentation

Marvell DSPC - Petach Tikva

Possible Frame6+SGML Issue only MIF to Native and OLE graphics

[Dan Vint]

Thanks I'll give that tool a review.

Upon further testing, I'm wondering what the requirements are for
supporting OLE embedded graphics. I was able to load and process this
file on my local desktop both via the FrameScripts and by hand. But when
I took this to my build machine it failed with the scripts and it failed
by hand.

To support OLE reading the graphic back in, do I need to have the
original application? This is the primary difference I could think of.
Out build machine might not have Office for something from Word for
instance, but that would be common on our personal machines.

..dan

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> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces+dvint=bea.com at lists.frameusers.com 
> [mailto:framers-bounces+dvint=bea.com at lists.frameusers.com] 
> On Behalf Of Jeremy H. Griffith
> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 8:19 PM
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: Possible Frame6+SGML Issue only MIF to Native 
> and OLE graphics
> 
> On Tue, 6 Nov 2007 13:25:09 -0800, "Dan Vint"  wrote:
> 
> >I have a process in which I run both Frame 6 and 7 documents 
> through an
> >automated build. One step in this effort is to save all the 
> files to MIF
> >and do some string replacements on the file, then save that 
> result back
> >to Native form so I can print the documents. Note that is 
> this case no
> >substitutions were made, so it is just a round tripping of the files
> >from MIF to Native.
> 
> That has always worked flawlessly for every version of Frame 
> I've used,
> which goes back to Frame 3 on SunOS...  ;-)
> 
> > As these files are saved back to Native (via FrameScript) 
> I'm getting
> >the following error/warning from Frame:
> > <> 
> >This has occurred on 4 different books, not sure if they 
> have been all
> >Frame 6 or not, but this last one is 6. One of the books we couldn't
> >track the problem down and had to rebuild it. The other 3 
> seem to all be
> >related to embedded OLE graphics. Is there some known 
> problem with OLE
> >embedded graphics or an issue with saving from MIF back to Native?
> 
> There shouldn't be.  OLE objects are preserved in MIF just as 
> any other
> imported graphics are.  However, since they are embedded, and 
> not referenced,
> they are subject to the same troubles as other embedded 
> graphics, which
> includ potential loss of data if there's inadequate disk space for the
> temporary files Frame generates when saving them.  Check your Windows 
> system environment variables for the TMP and TEMP 
> directories, and make 
> sure the drive referenced in them is not close to full.
> 
> Aside from that, one cross-check you could try is to use 
> "Wash via MIF",
> which is a File-menu item added by the Mif2Go plugin.  It 
> works fine for
> both books and individual files in the demo version, which is free:
>   http://www.omsys.com/dcl/download.htm
> You only need to install the plugin files, m2rbook.dll and 
> m2gframe.dll.
> Wash works by saving as MIF, then reloading the MIF and 
> saving as Frame 
> binary.  If you don't see the same problem there, you may 
> want to check 
> the FrameScript code to see what options you are using for 
> the saves to 
> MIF and to Frame binary.  I don't know of a particular one that would 
> have that effect, but it's not impossible...
> 
> HTH!
> 
> -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
> http://www.omsys.com/
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Possible Frame6+SGML Issue only MIF to Native and OLE graphics

[Dan Vint]

I'm on the build side of the house and its my writers who pick and
choose what they use in terms of formats. I have to react and support
what they do or provide workarounds. I'm not sure if OLE is 100% of the
problem or not, we have only had a few instances of this problem in the
thousands of files that are in our build process. This may have been
going on for sometime, but our old build process wasn't displaying these
same errors, so that is one curiosity about all of this that bothers me
the most. It would be a different story if suddenly I had a new writer
that was starting to do things this way, I would be more willing to say
DON'T DO THIS. But as this is something that has been going through the
previous build with no detectible problems it makes it a little harder
to set this rule.

Ultimately, if I can't make the build work, we will come back and say
don't do this and when we find instances of embedding, we will have the
writer rework the files. 

FYI, I haven't really paid attention to the formats that we use for
graphics, I just used the jpeg as it was what the tool (SnagIt) produced
I think by default.

..dan

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> -Original Message-
> From: Combs, Richard [mailto:richard.combs at Polycom.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 8:08 AM
> To: Dan Vint; framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: RE: Possible Frame6+SGML Issue only MIF to Native 
> and OLE graphics
> 
> Dan Vint wrote:
>  
> >  As these files are saved back to Native (via FrameScript) 
> > I'm getting the following error/warning from Frame:
> >  <>
> > This has occurred on 4 different books, not sure if they have 
> > been all Frame 6 or not, but this last one is 6. One of the 
> > books we couldn't track the problem down and had to rebuild 
> > it. The other 3 seem to all be related to embedded OLE 
> > graphics. Is there some known problem with OLE embedded 
> > graphics or an issue with saving from MIF back to Native?
> 
> I haven't a clue about your MIF washing process, but why in the world
> would you use OLE, with all its overhead and potential problems, to
> import JPEG graphics, for which FM has a filter? Use File > Import >
> File, not File > Import > Object. 
> 
> For that matter, don't use JPEG for screen shots (I'm 
> guessing from the
> SnagIt reference that that's what you're dealing with) -- it's a lossy
> format best suited to continuous-tone images like photos and poorly
> suited to reproducing sharp edges and text. Better choices 
> are PNG, GIF,
> and TIF. FM can import all three file types -- no OLE, please! :-) 
> 
> HTH!
> Richard
> 
> 
> --
> Richard G. Combs
> Senior Technical Writer
> Polycom, Inc.
> richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
> 303-223-5111
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> 303-777-0436
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> 
> 
> 
> 
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Possible Frame6+SGML Issue only MIF to Native and OLE graphics

[Dan Vint]

My first attempt was to try and replace the process that was here under
dzBatcher so that is what I have ended up with so far and this issue
might be enough to try a different direction. Ultimately I hate these
sorts of problems that I can't find an explanation for. Why did
dzBatcher work with no problem on these files, but my new FrameScript
environment is catching the issue. Not knowing what dzBatcher was doing
under the covers it might have been somehow ignoring this problem and we
just never detected the problem - oh well.

I was trying your recommendation for a different set of replacements
that occur in HyperText links. Actually the process I was trying this
approach on was for some books that didn't follow the guidelines for
linking and uses the string replace process that is causing troubles
I've reported here. So this one set of books creates hypertext links in
a non-standard BEA way and linked directly to books in outside
directories. Normally we have the writer insert
DOCROOT/product/version/filename and my string replace would insert
something for DOCROOT that was appropriate for the HTML or the PDF we
generate. These books instead of using DOCROOT, used a relative path, so
something like ../../product/version/filename. So I was trying to
replace the ../../ with the same info I would replace DOCROOT with. When
I looked at these with FrameScript, the path that showed up was expanded
based upon the file system (machine and file directory) the file was
being processed on. So instead of seeing a relative path, I was getting
a resolved path based upon where the file was in its current location.
So instead of seeing ../../ I was getting something like
c:/edocswork/ales/userguide/docs30/file1.

The problem with this is I wanted to just search and replace for paths
with ../../ in them. Instead I had full paths. Where this had a problem
was that links to files in the current book had full paths that say the
book was for wlp would look like c:\edocswork\wlp\admingguide\file1 so
there was no easy way to tell when this full path was a relative path or
not. But when I go to the MIF, it is very easy to find the relative
paths because they aren't expanded in the MIF output.

I haven't researched DOCROOT substitutions at this point, mainly because
I'm not 100% sure where it might be used in the book. So a file level
search and replace in MIF gets all instances. I don't think without
processing every type of object in a loop if there is a way to do this
in FrameScript. But I haven't spent a lot of time researching this
approach yet. I had enough surprises with the one where I knew that this
would only appear in markers, I ended up with a couple of different
markers I had to look at.

..dan

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> -Original Message-
> From: Rick Quatro [mailto:frameexpert at truevine.net] 
> Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 4:36 AM
> To: Dan Vint; framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: Possible Frame6+SGML Issue only MIF to Native 
> and OLE graphics
> 
> Hi Dan,
> 
> One thing to consider: it may be better to do your string 
> replacements in 
> FrameMaker without going to MIF and back. Since you are using 
> FrameScript, 
> you may be able to do these replacements in the binary file 
> (depending on 
> what exactly you are doing).
> 
> Rick Quatro
> Carmen Publishing
> 585-659-8267
> www.frameexpert.com
> 
> 
> >I have a process in which I run both Frame 6 and 7 documents 
> through an
> > automated build. One step in this effort is to save all the 
> files to MIF
> > and do some string replacements on the file, then save that 
> result back
> > to Native form so I can print the documents. Note that is 
> this case no
> > substitutions were made, so it is just a round tripping of the files
> > from MIF to Native
> >
> > As these files are saved back to Native (via FrameScript) 
> I'm getting
> > the following error/warning from Frame:
> > <>
> > This has occurred on 4 different books, not sure if they 
> have been all
> > Frame 6 or not, but this last one is 6. One of the books we couldn't
> > track the problem down and had to rebuild it. The other 3 
> seem to all be
> > related to embedded OLE graphics. Is there some known 
> problem with OLE
> > embedded graphics or an issue with saving from MIF back to Native?
> >
> > ..dan
> >
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Possible Frame6+SGML Issue only MIF to Native and OLE graphics

[Dan Vint]

A relative path of ./filename is ok, but a relative path of
../../product/version/filename is not. These are on the same drive. So I
guess if I pass some information in about the actual book I might be
able to work this out but the two paths are going to be very similar:

./filename will look like c:\edocswork\wlp\admin\admin.fm
While
../../ales/docs30/userguide/file1.fm is going to look like:
C:\edocswork\ales\docs30\usergudie\file1.fm

So I would need to know that I was working on wlp and admin to detect
that this was a ./ path.

Also depending upon if I was to process this document at the root level
or down a couple of directories I'm not sure what ../../ is going to
translate to if I'm at the C:\.

Anyway, I could probably do this, I was just surprised at the result I
was finding for a pathname. It wasn't going to be a direct string
compare of ../../ to make my fix, so I put it aside in FrameScript.

My other substitution for DOCROOT will probably be easier than this
relative path because of the way Frame/FrameScript is presenting the
information to me, I was just less sure of the places this could occur.

My other error may force me to go back in and reevaluate this option,
but for now its working for the task its supposed to do.

Thanks for the ideas though.

..dan

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> -Original Message-
> From: Rick Quatro [mailto:frameexpert at truevine.net] 
> Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 10:02 AM
> To: Dan Vint; framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: Possible Frame6+SGML Issue only MIF to Native 
> and OLE graphics
> 
> Hi Dan,
> 
> FrameScript (and the FDK) always report the absolute paths to 
> imported 
> graphics, text insets, and external cross-references. You 
> have to compare 
> the path of the current document to that of the imported graphic to 
> determine if it is a relative or absolute path. The rule is 
> fairly simple, 
> though; if the document and graphic are on different drives, 
> then the path 
> is absolute, otherwise the path is relative. Again, 
> FrameScript and the FDK 
> will always show the entire absolute path.
> 
> There are times when it is useful to see a relative path. I have a 
> FrameScript function that takes a source path and a target 
> path and builds a 
> relative path from the source to the target.
> 
> Rick Quatro
> Carmen Publishing
> 585-659-8267
> www.frameexpert.com
> 
> 
> 
> > My first attempt was to try and replace the process that 
> was here under
> > dzBatcher so that is what I have ended up with so far and this issue
> > might be enough to try a different direction. Ultimately I 
> hate these
> > sorts of problems that I can't find an explanation for. Why did
> > dzBatcher work with no problem on these files, but my new 
> FrameScript
> > environment is catching the issue. Not knowing what 
> dzBatcher was doing
> > under the covers it might have been somehow ignoring this 
> problem and we
> > just never detected the problem - oh well.
> >
> > I was trying your recommendation for a different set of replacements
> > that occur in HyperText links. Actually the process I was 
> trying this
> > approach on was for some books that didn't follow the guidelines for
> > linking and uses the string replace process that is causing troubles
> > I've reported here. So this one set of books creates 
> hypertext links in
> > a non-standard BEA way and linked directly to books in outside
> > directories. Normally we have the writer insert
> > DOCROOT/product/version/filename and my string replace would insert
> > something for DOCROOT that was appropriate for the HTML or 
> the PDF we
> > generate. These books instead of using DOCROOT, used a 
> relative path, so
> > something like ../../product/version/filename. So I was trying to
> > replace the ../../ with the same info I would replace 
> DOCROOT with. When
> > I looked at these with FrameScript, the path that showed up 
> was expanded
> > based upon the file system (machine and file directory) the file was
> > being processed on. So instead of seeing a relative path, I 
> was getting
> > a resolved path based upon where the file was in its 
> current location.
> > So instead of seeing ../../ I was getting something like
> > c:/edocswork/ales/userguide/docs30/file1.
> >
> > The problem with this is I wanted to just search and 
> replace for paths
> > with ../../ in them. Instead I had full paths. Where this 
> had a problem
> > was that links to files in the current book had full paths 
> that say the
> > book was for wlp would look like 
> c:\edocswork\wlp\admingguide\file1 so
> > there was no easy way to tell when this full path was a 
> relative path or
> > not. But when I go to the MIF, it is very easy to find the relative
> > paths because they aren't expanded in the MIF output.
> >
> > I haven't researched DOCROOT substitutions at this 

non-breaking slash - FM sequence?

[Fred Ridder]

Orly Zimmerman (orlyz at marvell.com) asked:>
> Does anyone have an idea as to what the FM sequence is for a
> non-breaking slash - you know, like a non-breaking space is
> "Control-Space" and non-breaking hyphen is "Esc - h" - 
> 
> I couldn't find it in the help - so if the answer is that there is none
> - how would you prevent "I/O" within a sentence from breaking at the end
> of a line (assuming you cannot control the page width)?

FrameMaker does not have a non-breaking slash. The best you can 
do is to remove it from the list of characters where FrameMaker will
break a line. Go to Format>Document>Text Options and delete the
slash from its default position at the beginning of the list in the
"Allow Line Breaks After" box. (The other "break" characters that
are specified by default are the hyphen, the en-dash and the 
em-dash.)  Note that this setting is on a *per-file* basis, and 
that it is dangerous to try to import it from one file into others 
because it is lumped together with a bunch of unrelated items in
the "Document Properties" group in the Import Formats dialog.

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Possible Frame6+SGML Issue only MIF to Native and OLE graphics

[Fred Ridder]

Dan Vint (dvint at bea.com) asked:
> 
> To support OLE reading the graphic back in, do I need to have the
> original application? This is the primary difference I could think of.
> Out build machine might not have Office for something from Word for
> instance, but that would be common on our personal machines.

As far as I know, OLE requires not only that the originating application 
be installed on every machine that will use the file, but that it's the 
same version of the tool and is installed in a directory of the same 
name in the same relation to the FrameMaker installation. It's an 
unreasonably tall order unless you have a *very* methodical (and
dictatorial...) IT department, which is why it is so risky to use OLE 
embedding rather than simple file linking. 

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non-breaking slash - FM sequence?

[Kenneth C. Benson]

Orly Zimmerman wrote:

> I couldn't find it in the help - so if the answer is that there is none
> - how would you prevent "I/O" within a sentence from breaking at the end
> of a line (assuming you cannot control the page width)?


Fred is right; this is usually dealt with by disallowing breaks at 
slashes. But you might not want to disallow breaks at slashes, 
particularly if your copy has a lot of URLs.

You can also play around with spread to force the line to break 
elsewhere. Not a great solution.

For Frame 8 (I don't have it yet) you *might* be able to disallow breaks 
at slashes and then selectively re-allow breaks at slashes by following 
the slash with a zero width space (U+200B, I don't know how to get one 
except by copying it from Character Map). This doesn't work in Frame 7.2 
(because 7.2 is not Unicode-aware).

If someone with Frame 8 wants to test this, I'd be interested to know if 
it can be done: Just fill a couple lines with letters with no spaces, 
type a single space somewhere near the end of the measure, and if it 
results in an unhyphenated line break, take it out and paste a zero 
width space you copied from Character Map (in Advanced view, Go to 
Unicode 200B). If this works (the way I'd like it to), you'll get a line 
break the same way you would if you inserted a space, but if you move 
text around so that zero width space no longer causes a break, it should 
be completely invisible (i.e., take up no space when not allowing the 
break).

Kenneth Benson
Pegasus Type, Inc.
www.pegtype.com

non-breaking slash - FM sequence?

[Rick Henkel]

Orly Zimmerman wrote:
> HI All, 
>
> Does anyone have an idea as to what the FM sequence is for a
> non-breaking slash - you know, like a non-breaking space is
> "Control-Space" and non-breaking hyphen is "Esc - h" - 
>
>  
>
> I couldn't find it in the help - so if the answer is that there is none
> - how would you prevent "I/O" within a sentence from breaking at the end
> of a line (assuming you cannot control the page width)?
>
>   

I would create a non-breaking slash variable, which I believe would have 
a variable definition of \/. Then, rather than typing a slash, insert 
that variable.


-- 
Rick Henkel
http://rickhenkel.googlepages.com/index.htm

non-breaking slash - FM sequence?

[Fred Ridder]

Kenneth Benson (kbenson at pegtype.com) suggested (in part):
> For Frame 8 (I don't have it yet) you *might* be able to disallow breaks 
> at slashes and then selectively re-allow breaks at slashes by following 
> the slash with a zero width space (U+200B, I don't know how to get one 
> except by copying it from Character Map). This doesn't work in Frame 7.2 
> (because 7.2 is not Unicode-aware).
This approach might also work with thin spaces in older versions of 
FrameMaker, which are not zero width but are unnoticeablke to at least
98% of readers. But I must admit that I've never tested to see if 
FrameMaker does indeed break lines after thin spaces, and it's too 
late in the evening to trust the results if I try it now. :^)

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