Re: Best Indexing Tool for FrameMaker?

[Art Campbell]

IXGen is my standard tool.
Highly recommended, and Frank's customer support is top-notch.

Art

On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 4:31 PM, Jennifer Collier
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 We are currently using FrameMaker 6.0 but are going to move to
 FrameMaker 8 (Structured) within the next year. We are in desperate need
 of a indexing tool. What are your recommendations? I've done some
 research but I'd like to hear what's working well in the field. Thanks
 in advance for your input.



 Jen Collier

 Horizon Software International, LLC

 Technical Publications Manager

 770-554-6353 ext. 283

 www.horizonsoftware.co




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RE: Best Indexing Tool for FrameMaker?

[Michael O'Neill]

I use Index Tools Professional from Silicon Prairie Software.  By and
large, I am happy with it.  It has sped up indexing tremendously...and
makes it pretty darn easy to see what index tags are currently in place.


I haven't tried other tools.  This was the first we tried and it was
such a clear improvement that we jumped and went with it.

http://www.siliconprairiesoftware.com/Products.html

If you have specific questions, I'd be happy to answer them.

-Michael

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Subject: Best Indexing Tool for FrameMaker?

We are currently using FrameMaker 6.0 but are going to move to
FrameMaker 8 (Structured) within the next year. We are in desperate need
of a indexing tool. What are your recommendations? I've done some
research but I'd like to hear what's working well in the field. Thanks
in advance for your input.

 

Jen Collier

Horizon Software International, LLC

Technical Publications Manager

770-554-6353 ext. 283

www.horizonsoftware.com

 

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Re: Best Indexing Tool for FrameMaker?

[Yves Barbion]

Absolutely right, IXGen is the must-have plug-in to create indexes in
unstructured FrameMaker.

IXGen also works in structured FM files, but I don't think that you can
use it in native XML files (forgive me and correct me if I'm wrong).

It would be great, though, to have a command that says Markers from
Elements and which copies the text from, say, the DITA title elements and
pastes it in an indexterm element. Surely, further editing needs to be
done, but you'd have a good basic index already.

I'd love to see a DITA-aware IXGen soon.

-- 
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Instructor
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On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 2:06 PM, Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 IXGen is my standard tool.
 Highly recommended, and Frank's customer support is top-notch.

 Art

 On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 4:31 PM, Jennifer Collier
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  We are currently using FrameMaker 6.0 but are going to move to
  FrameMaker 8 (Structured) within the next year. We are in desperate need
  of a indexing tool. What are your recommendations? I've done some
  research but I'd like to hear what's working well in the field. Thanks
  in advance for your input.
 
 
 
  Jen Collier
 
  Horizon Software International, LLC
 
  Technical Publications Manager
 
  770-554-6353 ext. 283
 
  www.horizonsoftware.co
 



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Re: Best Indexing Tool for FrameMaker?

[obair]

I second Art's opinion.

best,
Paul

On 4 Mean Fomhair 2008, at 5:06 am, Art Campbell wrote:

 IXGen is my standard tool.
 Highly recommended, and Frank's customer support is top-notch.

 Art

 On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 4:31 PM, Jennifer Collier
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 We are currently using FrameMaker 6.0 but are going to move to
 FrameMaker 8 (Structured) within the next year. We are in  
 desperate need
 of a indexing tool. What are your recommendations? I've done some
 research but I'd like to hear what's working well in the field.  
 Thanks
 in advance for your input.



 Jen Collier

 Horizon Software International, LLC

 Technical Publications Manager

 770-554-6353 ext. 283

 www.horizonsoftware.co




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Re: FM7 and OLE

[quills]

This is a default behavior in FrameMaker, and one that many users detest.

Fortunately, the programmers made it a behavior that can be customized.

Open the Maker.ini file in your FrameMaker directory.
Search for the string ClipboardFormatsPriorities

The list of formats behind this property dictate the preference of 
pasting a clipboard item.

Change the property to read as follows:
ClipboardFormatsPriorities=TEXT, FILE, OLE 2, EMF, META, DIB, BMP, MIF, RTF

This will make your past from the clipboard use plain text first, 
then default to the other formats in the order listed.

This will enable you to paste plain ASCII text directly from a copy 
paste operation.

Scott


At 7:42 PM -0700 9/3/08, David Spreadbury wrote:
We had the same problem, pasted text from Word going into an 
anchored frame, until we noticed the 'other' right-click paste 
option Paste Special.

This option presents a new menu of what the Special represents. 
Select Text and it should work.

--- On Sat, 8/30/08, Cal Callahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

From: Cal Callahan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: FM7 and OLE
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Saturday, August 30, 2008, 2:06 PM

The problem is with MS OLE. You MIGHT work around it by removing SP3,
although this didn't work for me. (That was the only suggested solution I
found in an extensive search of the web.)

My problem, however, was a little different. After importing a Visio file,
all attempts to copy  paste text from a Word doc into Frame resulted in
the
text coming in an anchored frame. I got around it by running the text
through OpenOfficeWriter first.

I had no problems with Frame 8.

I would very interested in hearing how anyone else resolved this problem.

cal
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RE: Best Indexing Tool for FrameMaker?

[quills]

I like this one also, for two reasons, it's simple, and it's inexpensive.
That makes this tool VERY cost-effective.

Scott

At 8:05 AM -0500 9/4/08, Michael O'Neill wrote:
I use Index Tools Professional from Silicon Prairie Software.  By and
large, I am happy with it.  It has sped up indexing tremendously...and
makes it pretty darn easy to see what index tags are currently in place.


I haven't tried other tools.  This was the first we tried and it was
such a clear improvement that we jumped and went with it.

http://www.siliconprairiesoftware.com/Products.html

If you have specific questions, I'd be happy to answer them.

-Michael


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Re: Best Indexing Tool for FrameMaker?

[Robert Rogge]

Hi Guys,

Not sure if it is acceptable to continue a thread like this, but in fact I
would be interested to learn the full list of plugins you guys use, at least
the ones that are most important and useful to you.

I currently work without plugins in *unstructured framemaker*, and must
create my chapter table of contents manually, indexing is not even performed
at the moment . . . I am missing special find/replace functions that I know
exist . . . and so, it would be great to see what collection of plugins you
use and recommend.

I intend to take a list of these to my company and see if we can´t get some
of them to make my life easier.

Cheers,

Robert

On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 3:53 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I like this one also, for two reasons, it's simple, and it's inexpensive.
 That makes this tool VERY cost-effective.

 Scott

 At 8:05 AM -0500 9/4/08, Michael O'Neill wrote:
 I use Index Tools Professional from Silicon Prairie Software.  By and
 large, I am happy with it.  It has sped up indexing tremendously...and
 makes it pretty darn easy to see what index tags are currently in place.
 
 
 I haven't tried other tools.  This was the first we tried and it was
 such a clear improvement that we jumped and went with it.
 
 http://www.siliconprairiesoftware.com/Products.html
 
 If you have specific questions, I'd be happy to answer them.
 
 -Michael
 

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Re: MIF to SGML/XML

[quills]

I wouldn't advise anyone to use MSXML. It's a proprietary format. I 
know, that's an oxymoron in conjunction with XML in general, but it's 
true. Add to that Microsoft's penchant for adding extraneous, 
gratuitous, and bloated code to it's conversion output and it would 
seem counter-productive going that route.

Scott

At 9:40 AM -0400 9/3/08, Rick Quatro wrote:
Hi Darren,

I think Scott Prentice has an application that does this; check
http://www.leximation.com. You could also use FrameScript and MSXML to go
directly from FrameMaker to XML, bypassing MIF altogether. If you are
interested in this approach, please contact me offlist. Thanks.

Rick Quatro
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585-659-8267
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RE: Best Indexing Tool for FrameMaker?

[Kristy Nolan]

 Hi, Robert!

What version of Frame are you using? I have lost some of the ones I used to 
use with Frame 7 by moving to Frame 8.

Kristy

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Rogge
Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 8:59 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com; Jennifer Collier
Subject: Re: Best Indexing Tool for FrameMaker?

Hi Guys,

Not sure if it is acceptable to continue a thread like this, but in fact I 
would be interested to learn the full list of plugins you guys use, at least 
the ones that are most important and useful to you.

I currently work without plugins in *unstructured framemaker*, and must create 
my chapter table of contents manually, indexing is not even performed at the 
moment . . . I am missing special find/replace functions that I know exist . . 
. and so, it would be great to see what collection of plugins you use and 
recommend.

I intend to take a list of these to my company and see if we can´t get some of 
them to make my life easier.

Cheers,

Robert

On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 3:53 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I like this one also, for two reasons, it's simple, and it's inexpensive.
 That makes this tool VERY cost-effective.

 Scott

 At 8:05 AM -0500 9/4/08, Michael O'Neill wrote:
 I use Index Tools Professional from Silicon Prairie Software.  By and 
 large, I am happy with it.  It has sped up indexing 
 tremendously...and makes it pretty darn easy to see what index tags are 
 currently in place.
 
 
 I haven't tried other tools.  This was the first we tried and it was 
 such a clear improvement that we jumped and went with it.
 
 http://www.siliconprairiesoftware.com/Products.html
 
 If you have specific questions, I'd be happy to answer them.
 
 -Michael
 

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Re: Best Indexing Tool for FrameMaker?

[Robert Rogge]

I´m on Frame 8 right now, but I´ll make a new thread.

Wasn´t sure if it was acceptable, but I would not call it thread hijacking
because the previous thread was more or less finished. Perhaps for
archiving, this is a bad idea.

Thanks Kristy!

Robert

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  Hi, Robert!

 What version of Frame are you using? I have lost some of the ones I used
 to use with Frame 7 by moving to Frame 8.

 Kristy

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Rogge
 Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 8:59 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com; Jennifer Collier
 Subject: Re: Best Indexing Tool for FrameMaker?

 Hi Guys,

 Not sure if it is acceptable to continue a thread like this, but in fact I
 would be interested to learn the full list of plugins you guys use, at least
 the ones that are most important and useful to you.

 I currently work without plugins in *unstructured framemaker*, and must
 create my chapter table of contents manually, indexing is not even performed
 at the moment . . . I am missing special find/replace functions that I know
 exist . . . and so, it would be great to see what collection of plugins you
 use and recommend.

 I intend to take a list of these to my company and see if we can´t get some
 of them to make my life easier.

 Cheers,

 Robert

 On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 3:53 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  I like this one also, for two reasons, it's simple, and it's inexpensive.
  That makes this tool VERY cost-effective.
 
  Scott
 
  At 8:05 AM -0500 9/4/08, Michael O'Neill wrote:
  I use Index Tools Professional from Silicon Prairie Software.  By and
  large, I am happy with it.  It has sped up indexing
  tremendously...and makes it pretty darn easy to see what index tags are
 currently in place.
  
  
  I haven't tried other tools.  This was the first we tried and it was
  such a clear improvement that we jumped and went with it.
  
  http://www.siliconprairiesoftware.com/Products.html
  
  If you have specific questions, I'd be happy to answer them.
  
  -Michael
  
 
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Plugins, Framescripts, etc.

[Robert Rogge]

Hi Framers,

I currently use Framemaker 8 to create unstructured pdf manuals.

I do not have any of the cool plugins for chapter TOCs, indexes, wicked
find/replace utilities, and I am not sure about what is available, so I
thought I would ask the Framers!

What plugins do you use and recommend? I imagine this thread being a
discussion of what is available and what is recommended.

Thanks!

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Re: MIF to SGML/XML

[martin . smith]

Hi all,

Rick isn't talking about using the Word XML document format in this  
case. He is talking about using the MSXML Active X control that is  
built into windows.

FrameScript can pass instructions to this control, which opens up the  
ability to generate custom XML directly from FrameMaker, as well as to  
perform operations using XPath and XQuery. You can also use the  
control to reconstruct FrameMaker documents from XML.

I personally use the MSXML control to produce XML-based embedded help  
systems for database-driven, web-based applications. FrameScript  
enables me to encode select elements of a structured document in XML,  
perform XSL transforms, and push the XML directly into an Oracle  
database.

Best regards,

Martin

Martin R. Smith
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Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 I wouldn't advise anyone to use MSXML. It's a proprietary format. I
 know, that's an oxymoron in conjunction with XML in general, but it's
 true. Add to that Microsoft's penchant for adding extraneous,
 gratuitous, and bloated code to it's conversion output and it would
 seem counter-productive going that route.

 Scott

 At 9:40 AM -0400 9/3/08, Rick Quatro wrote:
 Hi Darren,

 I think Scott Prentice has an application that does this; check
 http://www.leximation.com. You could also use FrameScript and MSXML to go
 directly from FrameMaker to XML, bypassing MIF altogether. If you are
 interested in this approach, please contact me offlist. Thanks.

 Rick Quatro
 Carmen Publishing Inc
 585-659-8267
 www.frameexpert.com
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RoboHelp

[Kelly McDaniel]

Folks, 

 

Anyone know of a RoboHelp list? ...tnx, Kelly.

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RE: MIF to SGML/XML

[Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC 584 CBSS/GBHAC]

Thanx to you both for the info!

Darren

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Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 10:02 AM
To: Rick Quatro; Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC 584 CBSS/GBHAC; framers
Subject: Re: MIF to SGML/XML

I wouldn't advise anyone to use MSXML. It's a proprietary format. I 
know, that's an oxymoron in conjunction with XML in general, but it's 
true. Add to that Microsoft's penchant for adding extraneous, 
gratuitous, and bloated code to it's conversion output and it would 
seem counter-productive going that route.

Scott

At 9:40 AM -0400 9/3/08, Rick Quatro wrote:
Hi Darren,

I think Scott Prentice has an application that does this; check
http://www.leximation.com. You could also use FrameScript and MSXML to
go
directly from FrameMaker to XML, bypassing MIF altogether. If you are
interested in this approach, please contact me offlist. Thanks.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing Inc
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com
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RE: Missing font when printing

[Dov Isaacs]

I've seen this problem before and it generally has nothing to do with either
FrameMaker or Acrobat, but rather, secret sauce in the operating system and its
interface with the PostScript driver with regards to the Symbol font.
The symptoms you report usually would indicate that somehow the TrueType
version of the Symbol font was uninstalled. Even if you have the Type 1 version
of Symbol installed via ATM (or otherwise), you MUST have that TrueType version
of Symbol installed also. It is the ONLY exception to the rule about duplicate
fonts.

- Dov

 -Original Message-
 From: elizabeth moffatt
 Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 6:51 PM
 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: Missing font when printing

 Hi,

 I am having an issue with at least one font on my system.

 Within Framemaker, the font is available to use and shows up fine. However, 
 when I create a PDF or
 print a hardcopy, the font disappears. There is no warning that the font is 
 missing. The font is
 Symbol.

 I have:
 Framemaker version 7.0p578
 Adobe Type Manager 4.1 build 243 lite
 Acrobat prof 8.1.2

 Computer is running XP with service pack 2

 I also have ARTS link checker, and Timesavers installed (although i don't 
 think this is working
 properly, but haven't needed to use it).

 Printers drivers are using a PS driver.

 I've tried printing using the Adobe PDF print option, and unticking the 
 following setting:

 Rely on system fonts only; do not use document fonts

 but still the font doesn't print.

 Any ideas please, or has someone ever suffered the same?

 Thanks,
 Elizabeth
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Re: MIF to SGML/XML

[quills]

You have more confidence in Microsoft than I do then.

Scott

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Hi all,

Rick isn't talking about using the Word XML document format in this 
case. He is talking about using the MSXML Active X control that is 
built into windows.

FrameScript can pass instructions to this control, which opens up the 
ability to generate custom XML directly from FrameMaker, as well as to 
perform operations using XPath and XQuery. You can also use the 
control to reconstruct FrameMaker documents from XML.

I personally use the MSXML control to produce XML-based embedded help 
systems for database-driven, web-based applications. FrameScript 
enables me to encode select elements of a structured document in XML, 
perform XSL transforms, and push the XML directly into an Oracle 
database.

Best regards,

Martin

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Re: Plugins, Framescripts, etc.

[Scott Prentice]

You can find a list of *all* (that I'm aware of) plugins for FM at ..

http://www.leximation.com/toolsearch/

(I know that wasn't exactly your question, but it seemed relevant.)

Cheers,

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Robert Rogge wrote:
 Hi Framers,

 I currently use Framemaker 8 to create unstructured pdf manuals.

 I do not have any of the cool plugins for chapter TOCs, indexes, wicked
 find/replace utilities, and I am not sure about what is available, so I
 thought I would ask the Framers!

 What plugins do you use and recommend? I imagine this thread being a
 discussion of what is available and what is recommended.

 Thanks!

   
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Re: RoboHelp

[Jim Owens]

I don't know of a list, but Adobe has several forums dedicated to 
RoboHelp. 
(http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/webforums/forum/index.cfm?forumid=65)


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Re: MIF to SGML/XML

[Jim Owens]

MSXML is just an extension for programming languages. It provides 
commands for opening XML files, finding nodes, adding nodes, that sort 
of thing.  Microsoft maintains it, but despite this it works pretty well.


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 Hi all,

 Rick isn't talking about using the Word XML document format in this 
 case. He is talking about using the MSXML Active X control that is 
 built into windows.

 FrameScript can pass instructions to this control, which opens up the 
 ability to generate custom XML directly from FrameMaker, as well as to 
 perform operations using XPath and XQuery. You can also use the 
 control to reconstruct FrameMaker documents from XML.

 I personally use the MSXML control to produce XML-based embedded help 
 systems for database-driven, web-based applications. FrameScript 
 enables me to encode select elements of a structured document in XML, 
 perform XSL transforms, and push the XML directly into an Oracle 
 database.

 Best regards,

 Martin

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Re: Plugins, Framescripts, etc.

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Really great information guys, thanks! I´ll take a good look at your
recommendations!

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 You can find a list of *all* (that I'm aware of) plugins for FM at ..

   http://www.leximation.com/toolsearch/

 (I know that wasn't exactly your question, but it seemed relevant.)

 Cheers,

 ...scott

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 www.leximation.com
 +1.415.485.1892




 Robert Rogge wrote:

 Hi Framers,

 I currently use Framemaker 8 to create unstructured pdf manuals.

 I do not have any of the cool plugins for chapter TOCs, indexes, wicked
 find/replace utilities, and I am not sure about what is available, so I
 thought I would ask the Framers!

 What plugins do you use and recommend? I imagine this thread being a
 discussion of what is available and what is recommended.

 Thanks!






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Re: Plugins, Framescripts, etc.

[martin . smith]

Writing as someone who develops plugins for FrameMaker, I would also  
be interested to hear from users about what features they are most  
interested in. From process automation, to database integration and  
publishing, to XML roundripping, there are countless ways to extend  
FrameMaker.

Best regards,

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Re: Best Indexing Tool for FrameMaker?

[Hedley Finger]

IXgen is idiosyncratic but offers many functions to help you get going, 
e.g. making automatic entries for all headings which you can then edit 
to make proper entries.  In view of the many headings in user guides, 
etc. and the invariable chunking into short topics, this can help you 
produce a high quality index quickly.  It also does el neato stuff like 
producing a special table in a FrameMaker document in which you can edit 
the marker content, then write it back to the markers in the source 
document.  Multiple entries in a single marker can be written back as 
multiple markers each with a single entry.  This allows you to produce 
an editing document sorted alphabetically like the compiled index -- 
great for editing after proofreading -- or by page order -- great for 
checking whether each page has been adequately and relevantly indexed.  
Don't be put off by the clunky '50s user interface.  It works well and 
is reliable.

EmDex shows a real time view of a sorted index for all entries in a book 
and is ideal for editing a compiled index.  For example, you can edit a 
main entry and all affected markers are updated on the spot.  Or it can 
help you augment the entries you completed initially with IXgen based on 
headings with further entries to body text.

Index Tools Pro lets you embed index entries in running text so you 
don't have to open the Marker dialogue but just type them in place. It 
uses conditions to hide them.  When the time comes you can convert all 
entries in a book to proper markers.  You can also remove the embedded 
entries and restore them from the marker content.  (IXgen let's you do 
this but in a less friendly way.)

IndexXref is a tool that produces clickable links to the target entries 
of cross-references.  Handy when you  are producing a PDF and want 
readers to be able to jump from the non-preferred to preferred entry 
while viewing a PDF on screen.

The plethora of index add-ons should be alerting Adobe to the necessity 
of producing a more professional plug-in or shipped-with-product 
indexing functionality along the lines of Sky Index, Cindex, MacRex, 
etc.  Hey, they could even make it an optional (highly priced) add-on, 
and they WILL come!

Regards,
Hedley

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Re: Missing font when printing

[elizabeth moffatt]

Hi, 

Looks like the problem was that I was missing the ttf file from Microsoft's 
font directory (although there was another symbol font with a different file 
extension that ATM had put in there).

I'm not sure why this would have happened on my PC but not my co-workers (or a 
previous install I had)!

Thanks to Dave and David for your replies back.

Elizabeth

 Dave Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] 4/09/2008 2:49 p.m. 
Hi from the other side of town :-) !

This message only just appeared in my inbox, although it is dated 
yesterday, so you may already have the answer.

Normally the response would be that you are using a printer font (ie 
physically present in the printer) that is not on your PC.  
Frame/Windows knows the font is there (on the printer), but Acrobat 
can't access it because it's not on your PC.  However, I'm not sure that 
Symbol is supplied with printers, so that may not be the answer.

One possible thing to check is this.  I vaguely remember having a 
similar problem a few years back.  We use the Type 1 Symbol font, and it 
suddenly stopped printing.  This coincided with either a PC or Windows 
upgrade.  Eventually found out that I did not have the True Type Symbol 
font installed (symbol.ttf).  Even though I was using the T1 font and 
not the TT font, Windows needed the TT font to be present for the T1 
version to work.  It might pay to check your Windows\Fonts directory 
and make sure symbol.ttf is present.  If not, install it (just copy it 
from another PC and then install it on yours).

Good luck

Dave

elizabeth moffatt wrote, on 3/09/2008 1:51 p.m.:
 Hi,

 I am having an issue with at least one font on my system. 

 Within Framemaker, the font is available to use and shows up fine. However, 
 when I create a PDF or print a hardcopy, the font disappears. There is no 
 warning that the font is missing. The font is Symbol.

 I have: 
 Framemaker version 7.0p578
 Adobe Type Manager 4.1 build 243 lite
 Acrobat prof 8.1.2

 Computer is running XP with service pack 2

 I also have ARTS link checker, and Timesavers installed (although i don't 
 think this is working properly, but haven't needed to use it).

 Printers drivers are using a PS driver.

 I've tried printing using the Adobe PDF print option, and unticking the 
 following setting:

 Rely on system fonts only; do not use document fonts

 but still the font doesn't print.

 Any ideas please, or has someone ever suffered the same?

 Thanks,
 Elizabeth 

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Re: Best Indexing Tool for FrameMaker?

[Bruce Wolf]

Top-notch is a bit of an understatement.  Superb works for me.

:)

BW


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 From: Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: Best Indexing Tool for FrameMaker?
 To: Jennifer Collier [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Date: Thursday, September 4, 2008, 8:06 AM
 IXGen is my standard tool.
 Highly recommended, and Frank's customer support is
 top-notch.
 
 Art
 
 On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 4:31 PM, Jennifer Collier
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  We are currently using FrameMaker 6.0 but are going to
 move to
  FrameMaker 8 (Structured) within the next year. We are
 in desperate need
  of a indexing tool. What are your recommendations?
 I've done some
  research but I'd like to hear what's working
 well in the field. Thanks
  in advance for your input.
 
 
 
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  Horizon Software International, LLC
 
  Technical Publications Manager
 
  770-554-6353 ext. 283
 
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FrameImage (was Equation Editor Issues)

[orandeep]

Question: What does Save  FrameImage with Imported Graphics do?
Answer: Back in the early days when FrameMaker was a true cross-platform tool 
that would allow you to work the same Frame file on Windows, Mac and various 
flavors of Unix, FrameImage was an equilizer giving you a common format across 
the three platforms for imported raster images.
While you could probably still use it with mif, etc. I doubt that many need it 
today. FrameImage is mostly an artifact. Turning it on will bloat your file 
sizes and give you little or no benefit.
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Graphic causing Frame to crash

[Lin Sims]

FrameMaker 8
Windows XP SP3

I have a a couple of .png graphics that I copied to a Master Page.
Every time I use the right-click menu to select Object Properties,
Frame crashes. I tried converting the graphics to GIF but got the same
result.

These same graphics will, sometimes but not reproducibly always (at
least not that I've noticed), disappear, leaving a grey box behind. So
far that's been fixable by reimporting the page layout from elsewhere,
but I'd rather not have to worry about that happening.

Does anyone know what might be causing this and, more importantly, how
to fix it permanently instead of with a bandaid?

Thanks.

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Re: Graphic causing Frame to crash

[Art Campbell]

First,
What are you trying to accomplish with them on the master page? For
most things, copying them in isn't a great solution; importing by
reference is way better, but it depends on what you're trying to do.

AND... the grey box is what happens when you're running out of RAM and
Frame takes steps to prevent your system from crashing. But because
you didn't provide any details about your system vitals, it's hard to
tell.

Art

On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 2:09 PM, Lin Sims [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 FrameMaker 8
 Windows XP SP3

 I have a a couple of .png graphics that I copied to a Master Page.
 Every time I use the right-click menu to select Object Properties,
 Frame crashes. I tried converting the graphics to GIF but got the same
 result.

 These same graphics will, sometimes but not reproducibly always (at
 least not that I've noticed), disappear, leaving a grey box behind. So
 far that's been fixable by reimporting the page layout from elsewhere,
 but I'd rather not have to worry about that happening.

 Does anyone know what might be causing this and, more importantly, how
 to fix it permanently instead of with a bandaid?



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Re: Graphic causing Frame to crash

[Art Campbell]

OK, based on this info:
 * Actually, importing the graphics by reference rather than copying
does buy you something -- the parent file doesn't contain the graphic
information, so it's smaller, lighter weight and doesn't suck up as
much memory. And if you break the reference link, it's only a matter
of relinking once.
 * If the PNG files are 24-bit files, you may want to resave them in a
graphics editor as 8-bit. FM deals with that flavor better. You may
want to try converting the graphics to PDFs. Again, more portable. The
thing that's odd is not being able to see the object properties and
that they don't reproduce in the PDFs -- that makes it sound as if
there's something wrong with the originals...

You're right, the amount of RAM is marginal... XP uses quite a bit to
start with, and if FM has to load the embedded graphics each time it
loads, there goes some more

Art

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 On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 2:29 PM, Van Boening, Tammy
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi Lin,

 I too have had this problem and there are a couple of solutions

 1.) Can you capture the graphic again as a .png - even if it is a screen
 capture of the graphic itself - not of the source that led to the
 original screen capture?
 2.) Do you have Snagit or some similar tool? If so, you can use SnagIt's
 catalog conversion functionality to convert the graphic to a .bmp then
 back to .png.

 I used IrfanView to convert from PNG to GIF. I do have SnagIt, so I'll
 try that, too. Won't converting to .bmp lose information, though? I
 haven't tried recapturing the graphic. I'll try that. Probably by
 opening the original in IrfanView and using SnagIt to do the capture!


 On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 2:30 PM, Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 First,
 What are you trying to accomplish with them on the master page? For
 most things, copying them in isn't a great solution; importing by
 reference is way better, but it depends on what you're trying to do.

 AND... the grey box is what happens when you're running out of RAM and
 Frame takes steps to prevent your system from crashing. But because
 you didn't provide any details about your system vitals, it's hard to
 tell.

 Art

 I thought the grey box might be due to memory problems. Those grey
 boxes showed up in the PDF files, though, so I'm wondering if more is
 going on than just display problems?

 Hardware specs are: AMD Athlon 2700+ (2.16 GHz) with 992 MB of RAM.
 I'd gripe, but I think we're getting new boxes soon with more memory.
 Which is good, since I tend to have about 20 or so windows open on 2
 screens at any one time.

 The master page in question is the cover page for the documents I
 produce. There are two graphics on it: a large one with the product
 logo and a smaller one acting as a company/bottom border. Copying them
 in means I don't have to reimport every time I create a new document
 in a new directory. They aren't changing, so I gain nothing by
 importing by reference.

 Lin

 On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 2:09 PM, Lin Sims [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 FrameMaker 8
 Windows XP SP3

 I have a a couple of .png graphics that I copied to a Master Page.
 Every time I use the right-click menu to select Object Properties,
 Frame crashes. I tried converting the graphics to GIF but got the same
 result.

 These same graphics will, sometimes but not reproducibly always (at
 least not that I've noticed), disappear, leaving a grey box behind. So
 far that's been fixable by reimporting the page layout from elsewhere,
 but I'd rather not have to worry about that happening.

 Does anyone know what might be causing this and, more importantly, how
 to fix it permanently instead of with a bandaid?



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Re: Graphic causing Frame to crash

[Lin Sims]

On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 2:29 PM, Van Boening, Tammy
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi Lin,

 I too have had this problem and there are a couple of solutions

 1.) Can you capture the graphic again as a .png - even if it is a screen
 capture of the graphic itself - not of the source that led to the
 original screen capture?
 2.) Do you have Snagit or some similar tool? If so, you can use SnagIt's
 catalog conversion functionality to convert the graphic to a .bmp then
 back to .png.

I used IrfanView to convert from PNG to GIF. I do have SnagIt, so I'll
try that, too. Won't converting to .bmp lose information, though? I
haven't tried recapturing the graphic. I'll try that. Probably by
opening the original in IrfanView and using SnagIt to do the capture!


On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 2:30 PM, Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 First,
 What are you trying to accomplish with them on the master page? For
 most things, copying them in isn't a great solution; importing by
 reference is way better, but it depends on what you're trying to do.

 AND... the grey box is what happens when you're running out of RAM and
 Frame takes steps to prevent your system from crashing. But because
 you didn't provide any details about your system vitals, it's hard to
 tell.

 Art

I thought the grey box might be due to memory problems. Those grey
boxes showed up in the PDF files, though, so I'm wondering if more is
going on than just display problems?

Hardware specs are: AMD Athlon 2700+ (2.16 GHz) with 992 MB of RAM.
I'd gripe, but I think we're getting new boxes soon with more memory.
Which is good, since I tend to have about 20 or so windows open on 2
screens at any one time.

The master page in question is the cover page for the documents I
produce. There are two graphics on it: a large one with the product
logo and a smaller one acting as a company/bottom border. Copying them
in means I don't have to reimport every time I create a new document
in a new directory. They aren't changing, so I gain nothing by
importing by reference.

Lin

 On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 2:09 PM, Lin Sims [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 FrameMaker 8
 Windows XP SP3

 I have a a couple of .png graphics that I copied to a Master Page.
 Every time I use the right-click menu to select Object Properties,
 Frame crashes. I tried converting the graphics to GIF but got the same
 result.

 These same graphics will, sometimes but not reproducibly always (at
 least not that I've noticed), disappear, leaving a grey box behind. So
 far that's been fixable by reimporting the page layout from elsewhere,
 but I'd rather not have to worry about that happening.

 Does anyone know what might be causing this and, more importantly, how
 to fix it permanently instead of with a bandaid?



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Re: Plugins, Framescripts, etc.

[Carole Johnson]

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Writing as someone who develops plugins for FrameMaker, I would also 
be interested to hear from users about what features they are most 
interested in. From process automation, to database integration and 
publishing, to XML roundripping, there are countless ways to extend 
FrameMaker.

Best regards,

Martin
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Re: FrameImage (was Equation Editor Issues)

[Peter Gold]

On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 9:02 AM,  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Question: What does Save  FrameImage with Imported Graphics do?
 Answer: Back in the early days when FrameMaker was a true cross-platform tool 
 that would allow you to work the same Frame file on Windows, Mac and various 
 flavors of Unix, FrameImage was an equilizer giving you a common format 
 across the three platforms for imported raster images.
 While you could probably still use it with mif, etc. I doubt that many need 
 it today. FrameImage is mostly an artifact. Turning it on will bloat your 
 file sizes and give you little or no benefit.

The common format was for image previews in FM documents, regardless
of the platform or graphic format. Without a FrameImage, a graphic
that couldn't be previewed would appear as a gray box placeholder on
screen, but would reproduce correctly when output.

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RE: Graphic causing Frame to crash

[Combs, Richard]

Lin Sims wrote: 
 
 FrameMaker 8
 Windows XP SP3
 
 I have a a couple of .png graphics that I copied to a Master Page.
 Every time I use the right-click menu to select Object Properties,
 Frame crashes. I tried converting the graphics to GIF but got the same
 result.
 
 These same graphics will, sometimes but not reproducibly always (at
 least not that I've noticed), disappear, leaving a grey box behind. So
 far that's been fixable by reimporting the page layout from elsewhere,
 but I'd rather not have to worry about that happening.

Just a guess: You said you copied them -- did you by chance _paste_
them into FM? If so (depending on your ClipboardFormatPriorities setting
in maker.ini), you may have inserted them as embedded OLE objects. You
do _not_ want that. It brings along a ton of overhead from the
application associated with PNG files on your system. And it can be
quite unstable, especially in a low-memory, low-resource situation.

If you pasted them (or used File  Import  Object), delete them and
insert them properly, using the File  Import  File command and
selecting Copy into Document. 

Someone suggested saving as 8-bit PNG. IMHO, that's a bad idea, too. The
file size savings is remarkably small. And 8-bit color uses a 256-color
palette. All the defined palette colors (like RGB 150,88,127) in all
your PNGs get added to the FM document's list of defined colors. A bit
of a nuisance, if you ask me.

HTH!
Richard


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OT: matching dual LCD monitors

[Dave Reynolds]

Hi

Not exactly Frame related, but I'm after some advice about LCD 
monitors.  After being the only tech writer in our team with a single 
monitor, I finally got given another monitor a couple of weeks ago.  
Hurray!!  It's been a long wait.  So now I have matching Viewsonic VA912 
19 monitors.  The second one is not new, but reassigned to me from 
someone else.  Judging from the numbers, it is about the same age as my 
first monitor.

Apparently my PC has an on-board video card, so they connected the 
second monitor via an adaptor card (budget constraints!).  This meant I 
had the first monitor on an analog feed, and the second monitor on a 
digital feed. 

The display on the second monitor is quite different from the first 
monitor in terms of colour, brightness and contrast.  I have tried to 
adjust the second monitor to match the display of the first monitor, but 
I've been unsuccessful.  I've tried the adjustments on the monitor and 
in the driver, but the display on the second monitor is still inferior 
to that on the first monitor.  After complaining to our IST people, they 
fitted a new video card that they happened to have in stock (still 
budget constraints), but I notice that the first monitor is still on 
analog, and the second is still on digital, and I still can't get the 
displays to match.

For many applications this is only a nuisance.  However, for editing 
photographs it is a major problem.  I take quite a few photos for my 
manuals and it is important that the edited versions of the photos I 
take are consistent for colour, brightness and contrast.  This means 
that I cannot currently use the second monitor for editing photos, as 
the same photo looks so different on each monitor.

Is there a way to get the second monitor to match the first one, or am I 
fighting a losing battle trying to get the digital input display to 
match the analog input display?

Any help appreciated.

Thanks

Dave

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Re: Best Indexing Tool for FrameMaker?

[Rick Quatro]

Hi Robert,

Scott Prentice maintains a list of FrameMaker plugins at 
http://www.leximation.com.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing Inc
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com


Hi Guys,

Not sure if it is acceptable to continue a thread like this, but in fact I
would be interested to learn the full list of plugins you guys use, at least
the ones that are most important and useful to you.

I currently work without plugins in *unstructured framemaker*, and must
create my chapter table of contents manually, indexing is not even performed
at the moment . . . I am missing special find/replace functions that I know
exist . . . and so, it would be great to see what collection of plugins you
use and recommend.

I intend to take a list of these to my company and see if we can´t get some
of them to make my life easier.

Cheers,

Robert

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Re: MIF to SGML/XML

[Rick Quatro]

Hi Scott,

MSXML is not a format but an XML parser/processor. It is very fast and 
stable, and has a small footprint. I have heard even ardent Microsoft-haters 
say that it is an excellent XML tool. Best of all, it can be controlled from 
FrameScript. It is also free.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing Inc
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com


I wouldn't advise anyone to use MSXML. It's a proprietary format. I know, 
that's an oxymoron in conjunction with XML in general, but it's true. Add 
to that Microsoft's penchant for adding extraneous, gratuitous, and bloated 
code to it's conversion output and it would seem counter-productive going 
that route.

 Scott

 At 9:40 AM -0400 9/3/08, Rick Quatro wrote:
Hi Darren,

I think Scott Prentice has an application that does this; check
http://www.leximation.com. You could also use FrameScript and MSXML to go
directly from FrameMaker to XML, bypassing MIF altogether. If you are
interested in this approach, please contact me offlist. Thanks.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing Inc
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com
 

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Re: Plugins, Framescripts, etc.

[Rick Quatro]

Hi Robert,

In my opinion, the best FrameMaker plugin is FrameScript 
(http://www.framescript.com) because it provides a complete scripting 
environment for FrameMaker. Instead of buying ready-made solutions which 
might be exactly what you need, you can write your own with FrameScript.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing Inc
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com


 Hi Framers,

 I currently use Framemaker 8 to create unstructured pdf manuals.

 I do not have any of the cool plugins for chapter TOCs, indexes, wicked
 find/replace utilities, and I am not sure about what is available, so I
 thought I would ask the Framers!

 What plugins do you use and recommend? I imagine this thread being a
 discussion of what is available and what is recommended.

 Thanks!

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Re: MIF to SGML/XML

[Rick Quatro]

Hi Scott,

Confidence is gained from experience. I have confidence in MSXML because I 
have used it successfully in dozens of my scripts. I have not heard a single 
complaint from any of my clients that have it installed. If you discount 
software just because it is from Microsoft, you will miss out on some good, 
time-saving, production tools. Any big software company is going to have 
some junk (Apple and Adobe included), but I don't like to throw out the 
baby with the bath water, as they say.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing Inc
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com


 You have more confidence in Microsoft than I do then.

 Scott

 At 10:16 AM -0400 9/4/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi all,

Rick isn't talking about using the Word XML document format in this
case. He is talking about using the MSXML Active X control that is
built into windows.

FrameScript can pass instructions to this control, which opens up the
ability to generate custom XML directly from FrameMaker, as well as to
perform operations using XPath and XQuery. You can also use the
control to reconstruct FrameMaker documents from XML.

I personally use the MSXML control to produce XML-based embedded help
systems for database-driven, web-based applications. FrameScript
enables me to encode select elements of a structured document in XML,
perform XSL transforms, and push the XML directly into an Oracle
database.

Best regards,

Martin

Martin R. Smith
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OT: Corp-to-Corp

[William Abernathy]

I've learned recently that the contract I've worked under for the past 6 or so 
years is going to expire and not be renewed. So, for the first time in quite a 
while, I will be back on the market. I have been considering incorporating, 
because I do not like having a third-party company interjecting itself between 
me and my client, making me a W-2, and skimming a little for their trouble.

My question is whether asserting that I wish to work corp-to-corp would be more 
of a hindrance than it's worth. Some colleagues I've discussed this with have 
indicated that the market for this type of employment arrangement is drying up, 
and that more and more companies are demanding a third-party body shop to 
interpose, and thus provide them with some (illusory) protection from Vizcaino 
liability.

So, before I drop well over a thousand in fees to incorporate, I would like to 
hear your experiences in negotiating corp-to-corp as a freelance tech writer, 
good, bad, or ugly. I am especially interested if any of you have recent 
experiences from the EDA world to relate.

Obviously, because this is wildly off-topic, I must request that you DO NOT 
respond to the whole list. If you are reading this at all, it's a testament to 
the extreme indulgence of the moderator.

Thanks in advance,

--William
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slow cursor movement in Frame 8 with Para Designer open

[Dave Reynolds]

Hi

I've noticed at times that moving the cursor around in a Frame 8 file 
can be rather sluggish.  This is when I'm using the arrow key to move 
the cursor along a line of text.  I've also noticed that using the 
shift+arrow keys to select text can be really slow as well.  However, at 
other times the cursor moves at what I consider to be a normal speed. 

The other day I think I found out why.  The movement of the cursor slows 
right down when I have Paragraph Designer open.  I did a timed test on a 
random line of text.  With PD closed, it took 4 seconds to run the 
cursor from one end of the line to the other, but with PD open it took 
14 seconds.  If I selected the line using Shift+arrow, the times were 
about the same.  I repeated the test with PD closed and Character 
Designer open, but this time it took about 5 seconds.

I've duplicated the test in Frame 6, and both PD and CD have no 
noticeable effect on the speed of the cursor movement.

Has anyone else noticed this behaviour?  It's not a big problem, just a 
nuisance.

I'm on Frame 8.0p277 and Win XP.

Regards

Dave

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slow cursor movement in Frame 8 with Para Designer open

[Mike Wickham]

> I've noticed at times that moving the cursor around in a Frame 8 file
> can be rather sluggish.  This is when I'm using the arrow key to move
> the cursor along a line of text.  I've also noticed that using the
> shift+arrow keys to select text can be really slow as well.  However, at
> other times the cursor moves at what I consider to be a normal speed.
>
> The other day I think I found out why.  The movement of the cursor slows
> right down when I have Paragraph Designer open.  I did a timed test on a
> random line of text.  With PD closed, it took 4 seconds to run the
> cursor from one end of the line to the other, but with PD open it took
> 14 seconds.  If I selected the line using Shift+arrow, the times were
> about the same.  I repeated the test with PD closed and Character
> Designer open, but this time it took about 5 seconds.

Do you have the Leximation RestoreWindows plugin? I have the same behavior 
and traced it to that plugin. Having the Character Designer open slows the 
cursor. Having the Paragraph Designer open slows it even more. Having both 
open seems to have an additive effect and slow things even more. The 
RestoreWindows version I have is 1.01e. If I remember correctly, version 1.0 
didn't cause the problem, but it also didn't track as many palettes. Scott 
at Leximation had created a custom version for me (1.01) that opened the 
tool palette, the Character Catalog and Paragraph Catalog, the Paragraph 
Designer, Character Designer, and Table Designer. That version is the one 
that introduced the slow cursor problem for me. Scott was unable to fix it 
because he was unable to duplicate the problem on his computer.

Mike Wickham

Best Indexing Tool for FrameMaker?

[Art Campbell]

IXGen is my standard tool.
Highly recommended, and Frank's customer support is top-notch.

Art

On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 4:31 PM, Jennifer Collier
 wrote:
> We are currently using FrameMaker 6.0 but are going to move to
> FrameMaker 8 (Structured) within the next year. We are in desperate need
> of a indexing tool. What are your recommendations? I've done some
> research but I'd like to hear what's working well in the field. Thanks
> in advance for your input.
>
>
>
> Jen Collier
>
> Horizon Software International, LLC
>
> Technical Publications Manager
>
> 770-554-6353 ext. 283
>
> www.horizonsoftware.co
>



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Best Indexing Tool for FrameMaker?

[Michael O'Neill]

I use Index Tools Professional from Silicon Prairie Software.  By and
large, I am happy with it.  It has sped up indexing tremendously...and
makes it pretty darn easy to see what index tags are currently in place.


I haven't tried other tools.  This was the first we tried and it was
such a clear improvement that we jumped and went with it.

http://www.siliconprairiesoftware.com/Products.html

If you have specific questions, I'd be happy to answer them.

-Michael

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Subject: Best Indexing Tool for FrameMaker?

We are currently using FrameMaker 6.0 but are going to move to
FrameMaker 8 (Structured) within the next year. We are in desperate need
of a indexing tool. What are your recommendations? I've done some
research but I'd like to hear what's working well in the field. Thanks
in advance for your input.



Jen Collier

Horizon Software International, LLC

Technical Publications Manager

770-554-6353 ext. 283

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Best Indexing Tool for FrameMaker?

[Yves Barbion]

Absolutely right, IXGen is the must-have plug-in to create indexes in
unstructured FrameMaker.

IXGen also works in "structured FM" files, but I don't think that you can
use it in "native" XML files (forgive me and correct me if I'm wrong).

It would be great, though, to have a command that says "Markers from
Elements" and which copies the text from, say, the DITA  elements and
pastes it in an  element. Surely, further editing needs to be
done, but you'd have a good "basic" index already.

I'd love to see a DITA-aware IXGen soon.

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Instructor
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On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 2:06 PM, Art Campbell  wrote:

> IXGen is my standard tool.
> Highly recommended, and Frank's customer support is top-notch.
>
> Art
>
> On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 4:31 PM, Jennifer Collier
>  wrote:
> > We are currently using FrameMaker 6.0 but are going to move to
> > FrameMaker 8 (Structured) within the next year. We are in desperate need
> > of a indexing tool. What are your recommendations? I've done some
> > research but I'd like to hear what's working well in the field. Thanks
> > in advance for your input.
> >
> >
> >
> > Jen Collier
> >
> > Horizon Software International, LLC
> >
> > Technical Publications Manager
> >
> > 770-554-6353 ext. 283
> >
> > www.horizonsoftware.co
> >
>
>
>
> --
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> and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
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Best Indexing Tool for FrameMaker?

[obair]

I second Art's opinion.

best,
Paul

On 4 Mean Fomhair 2008, at 5:06 am, Art Campbell wrote:

> IXGen is my standard tool.
> Highly recommended, and Frank's customer support is top-notch.
>
> Art
>
> On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 4:31 PM, Jennifer Collier
>  wrote:
>> We are currently using FrameMaker 6.0 but are going to move to
>> FrameMaker 8 (Structured) within the next year. We are in  
>> desperate need
>> of a indexing tool. What are your recommendations? I've done some
>> research but I'd like to hear what's working well in the field.  
>> Thanks
>> in advance for your input.
>>
>>
>>
>> Jen Collier
>>
>> Horizon Software International, LLC
>>
>> Technical Publications Manager
>>
>> 770-554-6353 ext. 283
>>
>> www.horizonsoftware.co
>>
>
>
>
> -- 
> Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com
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FM7 and OLE

[qui...@airmail.net]

This is a default behavior in FrameMaker, and one that many users detest.

Fortunately, the programmers made it a behavior that can be customized.

Open the Maker.ini file in your FrameMaker directory.
Search for the string ClipboardFormatsPriorities

The list of formats behind this property dictate the preference of 
pasting a clipboard item.

Change the property to read as follows:
ClipboardFormatsPriorities=TEXT, FILE, OLE 2, EMF, META, DIB, BMP, MIF, RTF

This will make your past from the clipboard use plain text first, 
then default to the other formats in the order listed.

This will enable you to paste plain ASCII text directly from a copy 
paste operation.

Scott


At 7:42 PM -0700 9/3/08, David Spreadbury wrote:
>We had the same problem, pasted text from Word going into an 
>anchored frame, until we noticed the 'other' right-click paste 
>option "Paste Special."
>
>This option presents a new menu of what the Special represents. 
>Select Text and it should work.
>
>--- On Sat, 8/30/08, Cal Callahan  wrote:
>
>From: Cal Callahan 
>Subject: FM7 and OLE
>To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
>Cc: tnahal99 at yahoo.com
>Date: Saturday, August 30, 2008, 2:06 PM
>
>The problem is with MS OLE. You MIGHT work around it by removing SP3,
>although this didn't work for me. (That was the only suggested solution I
>found in an extensive search of the web.)
>
>My problem, however, was a little different. After importing a Visio file,
>all attempts to copy & paste text from a Word doc into Frame resulted in
>the
>text coming in an anchored frame. I got around it by running the text
>through OpenOfficeWriter first.
>
>I had no problems with Frame 8.
>
>I would very interested in hearing how anyone else resolved this problem.
>
>cal

Best Indexing Tool for FrameMaker?

[qui...@airmail.net]

I like this one also, for two reasons, it's simple, and it's inexpensive.
That makes this tool VERY cost-effective.

Scott

At 8:05 AM -0500 9/4/08, Michael O'Neill wrote:
>I use Index Tools Professional from Silicon Prairie Software.  By and
>large, I am happy with it.  It has sped up indexing tremendously...and
>makes it pretty darn easy to see what index tags are currently in place.
>
>
>I haven't tried other tools.  This was the first we tried and it was
>such a clear improvement that we jumped and went with it.
>
>http://www.siliconprairiesoftware.com/Products.html
>
>If you have specific questions, I'd be happy to answer them.
>
>-Michael
>

Best Indexing Tool for FrameMaker?

[Robert Rogge]

Hi Guys,

Not sure if it is acceptable to continue a thread like this, but in fact I
would be interested to learn the full list of plugins you guys use, at least
the ones that are most important and useful to you.

I currently work without plugins in *unstructured framemaker*, and must
create my chapter table of contents manually, indexing is not even performed
at the moment . . . I am missing special find/replace functions that I know
exist . . . and so, it would be great to see what collection of plugins you
use and recommend.

I intend to take a list of these to my company and see if we can?t get some
of them to make my life easier.

Cheers,

Robert

On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 3:53 PM,  wrote:

> I like this one also, for two reasons, it's simple, and it's inexpensive.
> That makes this tool VERY cost-effective.
>
> Scott
>
> At 8:05 AM -0500 9/4/08, Michael O'Neill wrote:
> >I use Index Tools Professional from Silicon Prairie Software.  By and
> >large, I am happy with it.  It has sped up indexing tremendously...and
> >makes it pretty darn easy to see what index tags are currently in place.
> >
> >
> >I haven't tried other tools.  This was the first we tried and it was
> >such a clear improvement that we jumped and went with it.
> >
> >http://www.siliconprairiesoftware.com/Products.html
> >
> >If you have specific questions, I'd be happy to answer them.
> >
> >-Michael
> >
>
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MIF to SGML/XML

[qui...@airmail.net]

I wouldn't advise anyone to use MSXML. It's a proprietary format. I 
know, that's an oxymoron in conjunction with XML in general, but it's 
true. Add to that Microsoft's penchant for adding extraneous, 
gratuitous, and bloated code to it's conversion output and it would 
seem counter-productive going that route.

Scott

At 9:40 AM -0400 9/3/08, Rick Quatro wrote:
>Hi Darren,
>
>I think Scott Prentice has an application that does this; check
>http://www.leximation.com. You could also use FrameScript and MSXML to go
>directly from FrameMaker to XML, bypassing MIF altogether. If you are
>interested in this approach, please contact me offlist. Thanks.
>
>Rick Quatro
>Carmen Publishing Inc
>585-659-8267
>www.frameexpert.com

Best Indexing Tool for FrameMaker?

[Kristy Nolan]

 Hi, Robert!

What version of Frame are you using? I have "lost" some of the ones I used to 
use with Frame 7 by moving to Frame 8.

Kristy

-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Robert Rogge
Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 8:59 AM
To: quills at airmail.net
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com; Jennifer Collier
Subject: Re: Best Indexing Tool for FrameMaker?

Hi Guys,

Not sure if it is acceptable to continue a thread like this, but in fact I 
would be interested to learn the full list of plugins you guys use, at least 
the ones that are most important and useful to you.

I currently work without plugins in *unstructured framemaker*, and must create 
my chapter table of contents manually, indexing is not even performed at the 
moment . . . I am missing special find/replace functions that I know exist . . 
. and so, it would be great to see what collection of plugins you use and 
recommend.

I intend to take a list of these to my company and see if we can?t get some of 
them to make my life easier.

Cheers,

Robert

On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 3:53 PM,  wrote:

> I like this one also, for two reasons, it's simple, and it's inexpensive.
> That makes this tool VERY cost-effective.
>
> Scott
>
> At 8:05 AM -0500 9/4/08, Michael O'Neill wrote:
> >I use Index Tools Professional from Silicon Prairie Software.  By and 
> >large, I am happy with it.  It has sped up indexing 
> >tremendously...and makes it pretty darn easy to see what index tags are 
> >currently in place.
> >
> >
> >I haven't tried other tools.  This was the first we tried and it was 
> >such a clear improvement that we jumped and went with it.
> >
> >http://www.siliconprairiesoftware.com/Products.html
> >
> >If you have specific questions, I'd be happy to answer them.
> >
> >-Michael
> >
>
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Best Indexing Tool for FrameMaker?

[Robert Rogge]

I?m on Frame 8 right now, but I?ll make a new thread.

Wasn?t sure if it was acceptable, but I would not call it thread hijacking
because the previous thread was more or less finished. Perhaps for
archiving, this is a bad idea.

Thanks Kristy!

Robert

On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 4:03 PM, Kristy Nolan  wrote:

>
>  Hi, Robert!
>
> What version of Frame are you using? I have "lost" some of the ones I used
> to use with Frame 7 by moving to Frame 8.
>
> Kristy
>
> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:
> framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Robert Rogge
> Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 8:59 AM
> To: quills at airmail.net
> Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com; Jennifer Collier
> Subject: Re: Best Indexing Tool for FrameMaker?
>
> Hi Guys,
>
> Not sure if it is acceptable to continue a thread like this, but in fact I
> would be interested to learn the full list of plugins you guys use, at least
> the ones that are most important and useful to you.
>
> I currently work without plugins in *unstructured framemaker*, and must
> create my chapter table of contents manually, indexing is not even performed
> at the moment . . . I am missing special find/replace functions that I know
> exist . . . and so, it would be great to see what collection of plugins you
> use and recommend.
>
> I intend to take a list of these to my company and see if we can?t get some
> of them to make my life easier.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Robert
>
> On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 3:53 PM,  wrote:
>
> > I like this one also, for two reasons, it's simple, and it's inexpensive.
> > That makes this tool VERY cost-effective.
> >
> > Scott
> >
> > At 8:05 AM -0500 9/4/08, Michael O'Neill wrote:
> > >I use Index Tools Professional from Silicon Prairie Software.  By and
> > >large, I am happy with it.  It has sped up indexing
> > >tremendously...and makes it pretty darn easy to see what index tags are
> currently in place.
> > >
> > >
> > >I haven't tried other tools.  This was the first we tried and it was
> > >such a clear improvement that we jumped and went with it.
> > >
> > >http://www.siliconprairiesoftware.com/Products.html
> > >
> > >If you have specific questions, I'd be happy to answer them.
> > >
> > >-Michael
> > >
> >
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Plugins, Framescripts, etc.

[Robert Rogge]

Hi Framers,

I currently use Framemaker 8 to create unstructured pdf manuals.

I do not have any of the cool plugins for chapter TOCs, indexes, wicked
find/replace utilities, and I am not sure about what is available, so I
thought I would ask the Framers!

What plugins do you use and recommend? I imagine this thread being a
discussion of what is available and what is recommended.

Thanks!

-- 
Robert Rogge
93-423-1784

MIF to SGML/XML

[martin.sm...@golehtek.com]

Hi all,

Rick isn't talking about using the Word XML document format in this  
case. He is talking about using the MSXML Active X control that is  
built into windows.

FrameScript can pass instructions to this control, which opens up the  
ability to generate custom XML directly from FrameMaker, as well as to  
perform operations using XPath and XQuery. You can also use the  
control to reconstruct FrameMaker documents from XML.

I personally use the MSXML control to produce XML-based embedded help  
systems for database-driven, web-based applications. FrameScript  
enables me to encode select elements of a structured document in XML,  
perform XSL transforms, and push the XML directly into an Oracle  
database.

Best regards,

Martin

Martin R. Smith
www.golehtek.com


Quoting quills at airmail.net:

> I wouldn't advise anyone to use MSXML. It's a proprietary format. I
> know, that's an oxymoron in conjunction with XML in general, but it's
> true. Add to that Microsoft's penchant for adding extraneous,
> gratuitous, and bloated code to it's conversion output and it would
> seem counter-productive going that route.
>
> Scott
>
> At 9:40 AM -0400 9/3/08, Rick Quatro wrote:
>> Hi Darren,
>>
>> I think Scott Prentice has an application that does this; check
>> http://www.leximation.com. You could also use FrameScript and MSXML to go
>> directly from FrameMaker to XML, bypassing MIF altogether. If you are
>> interested in this approach, please contact me offlist. Thanks.
>>
>> Rick Quatro
>> Carmen Publishing Inc
>> 585-659-8267
>> www.frameexpert.com
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RoboHelp

[Kelly McDaniel]

Folks, 



Anyone know of a RoboHelp list? ...tnx, Kelly.

MIF to SGML/XML

[Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC 584 CBSS/GBHAC]

Thanx to you both for the info!

Darren

-Original Message-
From: quills at airmail.net [mailto:qui...@airmail.net] 
Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 10:02 AM
To: Rick Quatro; Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC 584 CBSS/GBHAC; framers
Subject: Re: MIF to SGML/XML

I wouldn't advise anyone to use MSXML. It's a proprietary format. I 
know, that's an oxymoron in conjunction with XML in general, but it's 
true. Add to that Microsoft's penchant for adding extraneous, 
gratuitous, and bloated code to it's conversion output and it would 
seem counter-productive going that route.

Scott

At 9:40 AM -0400 9/3/08, Rick Quatro wrote:
>Hi Darren,
>
>I think Scott Prentice has an application that does this; check
>http://www.leximation.com. You could also use FrameScript and MSXML to
go
>directly from FrameMaker to XML, bypassing MIF altogether. If you are
>interested in this approach, please contact me offlist. Thanks.
>
>Rick Quatro
>Carmen Publishing Inc
>585-659-8267
>www.frameexpert.com

Missing font when printing

[Dov Isaacs]

I've seen this problem before and it generally has nothing to do with either
FrameMaker or Acrobat, but rather, secret sauce in the operating system and its
interface with the PostScript driver with regards to the "Symbol" font.
The symptoms you report usually would indicate that somehow the TrueType
version of the Symbol font was uninstalled. Even if you have the Type 1 version
of Symbol installed via ATM (or otherwise), you MUST have that TrueType version
of Symbol installed also. It is the ONLY exception to the rule about duplicate
fonts.

- Dov

> -Original Message-
> From: elizabeth moffatt
> Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 6:51 PM
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Missing font when printing
>
> Hi,
>
> I am having an issue with at least one font on my system.
>
> Within Framemaker, the font is available to use and shows up fine. However, 
> when I create a PDF or
> print a hardcopy, the font disappears. There is no warning that the font is 
> missing. The font is
> "Symbol".
>
> I have:
> Framemaker version 7.0p578
> Adobe Type Manager 4.1 build 243 lite
> Acrobat prof 8.1.2
>
> Computer is running XP with service pack 2
>
> I also have ARTS link checker, and Timesavers installed (although i don't 
> think this is working
> properly, but haven't needed to use it).
>
> Printers drivers are using a PS driver.
>
> I've tried printing using the "Adobe PDF" print option, and unticking the 
> following setting:
>
> Rely on system fonts only; do not use document fonts
>
> but still the font doesn't print.
>
> Any ideas please, or has someone ever suffered the same?
>
> Thanks,
> Elizabeth

MIF to SGML/XML

[qui...@airmail.net]

You have more confidence in Microsoft than I do then.

Scott

At 10:16 AM -0400 9/4/08, martin.smith at golehtek.com wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>Rick isn't talking about using the Word XML document format in this 
>case. He is talking about using the MSXML Active X control that is 
>built into windows.
>
>FrameScript can pass instructions to this control, which opens up the 
>ability to generate custom XML directly from FrameMaker, as well as to 
>perform operations using XPath and XQuery. You can also use the 
>control to reconstruct FrameMaker documents from XML.
>
>I personally use the MSXML control to produce XML-based embedded help 
>systems for database-driven, web-based applications. FrameScript 
>enables me to encode select elements of a structured document in XML, 
>perform XSL transforms, and push the XML directly into an Oracle 
>database.
>
>Best regards,
>
>Martin
>
>Martin R. Smith
>www.golehtek.com
>

Plugins, Framescripts, etc.

[Scott Prentice]

You can find a list of *all* (that I'm aware of) plugins for FM at ..

http://www.leximation.com/toolsearch/

(I know that wasn't exactly your question, but it seemed relevant.)

Cheers,

...scott

Scott Prentice
Leximation, Inc.
www.leximation.com
+1.415.485.1892



Robert Rogge wrote:
> Hi Framers,
>
> I currently use Framemaker 8 to create unstructured pdf manuals.
>
> I do not have any of the cool plugins for chapter TOCs, indexes, wicked
> find/replace utilities, and I am not sure about what is available, so I
> thought I would ask the Framers!
>
> What plugins do you use and recommend? I imagine this thread being a
> discussion of what is available and what is recommended.
>
> Thanks!
>
>   

RoboHelp

[Jim Owens]

I don't know of a list, but Adobe has several forums dedicated to 
RoboHelp. 
(http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/webforums/forum/index.cfm?forumid=65)


Kelly McDaniel wrote:
> Folks, 
> 
>  
> 
> Anyone know of a RoboHelp list? ...tnx, Kelly.
> 
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MIF to SGML/XML

[Jim Owens]

MSXML is just an extension for programming languages. It provides 
commands for opening XML files, finding nodes, adding nodes, that sort 
of thing.  Microsoft maintains it, but despite this it works pretty well.


quills at airmail.net wrote:
> You have more confidence in Microsoft than I do then.
> 
> Scott
> 
> At 10:16 AM -0400 9/4/08, martin.smith at golehtek.com wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Rick isn't talking about using the Word XML document format in this 
>> case. He is talking about using the MSXML Active X control that is 
>> built into windows.
>>
>> FrameScript can pass instructions to this control, which opens up the 
>> ability to generate custom XML directly from FrameMaker, as well as to 
>> perform operations using XPath and XQuery. You can also use the 
>> control to reconstruct FrameMaker documents from XML.
>>
>> I personally use the MSXML control to produce XML-based embedded help 
>> systems for database-driven, web-based applications. FrameScript 
>> enables me to encode select elements of a structured document in XML, 
>> perform XSL transforms, and push the XML directly into an Oracle 
>> database.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Martin
>>
>> Martin R. Smith
>> www.golehtek.com
>>
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Plugins, Framescripts, etc.

[Robert Rogge]

Really great information guys, thanks! I?ll take a good look at your
recommendations!

On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 5:41 PM, Scott Prentice  wrote:

> You can find a list of *all* (that I'm aware of) plugins for FM at ..
>
>   http://www.leximation.com/toolsearch/
>
> (I know that wasn't exactly your question, but it seemed relevant.)
>
> Cheers,
>
> ...scott
>
> Scott Prentice
> Leximation, Inc.
> www.leximation.com
> +1.415.485.1892
>
>
>
>
> Robert Rogge wrote:
>
>> Hi Framers,
>>
>> I currently use Framemaker 8 to create unstructured pdf manuals.
>>
>> I do not have any of the cool plugins for chapter TOCs, indexes, wicked
>> find/replace utilities, and I am not sure about what is available, so I
>> thought I would ask the Framers!
>>
>> What plugins do you use and recommend? I imagine this thread being a
>> discussion of what is available and what is recommended.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>>
>>
>


-- 
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93-423-1784

Plugins, Framescripts, etc.

[martin.sm...@golehtek.com]

Writing as someone who develops plugins for FrameMaker, I would also  
be interested to hear from users about what features they are most  
interested in. From process automation, to database integration and  
publishing, to XML roundripping, there are countless ways to extend  
FrameMaker.

Best regards,

Martin
www.golehtek.com

Best Indexing Tool for FrameMaker?

[Hedley Finger]

IXgen is idiosyncratic but offers many functions to help you get going, 
e.g. making automatic entries for all headings which you can then edit 
to make proper entries.  In view of the many headings in user guides, 
etc. and the invariable chunking into short topics, this can help you 
produce a high quality index quickly.  It also does el neato stuff like 
producing a special table in a FrameMaker document in which you can edit 
the marker content, then write it back to the markers in the source 
document.  Multiple entries in a single marker can be written back as 
multiple markers each with a single entry.  This allows you to produce 
an editing document sorted alphabetically like the compiled index -- 
great for editing after proofreading -- or by page order -- great for 
checking whether each page has been adequately and relevantly indexed.  
Don't be put off by the clunky '50s user interface.  It works well and 
is reliable.

EmDex shows a real time view of a sorted index for all entries in a book 
and is ideal for editing a compiled index.  For example, you can edit a 
main entry and all affected markers are updated on the spot.  Or it can 
help you augment the entries you completed initially with IXgen based on 
headings with further entries to body text.

Index Tools Pro lets you embed index entries in running text so you 
don't have to open the Marker dialogue but just type them in place. It 
uses conditions to hide them.  When the time comes you can convert all 
entries in a book to proper markers.  You can also remove the embedded 
entries and restore them from the marker content.  (IXgen let's you do 
this but in a less friendly way.)

IndexXref is a tool that produces clickable links to the target entries 
of cross-references.  Handy when you  are producing a PDF and want 
readers to be able to jump from the non-preferred to preferred entry 
while viewing a PDF on screen.

The plethora of index add-ons should be alerting Adobe to the necessity 
of producing a more professional plug-in or shipped-with-product 
indexing functionality along the lines of Sky Index, Cindex, MacRex, 
etc.  Hey, they could even make it an optional (highly priced) add-on, 
and they WILL come!

Regards,
Hedley

Missing font when printing

[elizabeth moffatt]

Hi, 

Looks like the problem was that I was missing the ttf file from Microsoft's 
font directory (although there was another symbol font with a different file 
extension that ATM had put in there).

I'm not sure why this would have happened on my PC but not my co-workers (or a 
previous install I had)!

Thanks to Dave and David for your replies back.

Elizabeth

>>> Dave Reynolds  4/09/2008 2:49 p.m. >>>
Hi from the other side of town :-) !

This message only just appeared in my inbox, although it is dated 
yesterday, so you may already have the answer.

Normally the response would be that you are using a printer font (ie 
physically present in the printer) that is not on your PC.  
Frame/Windows knows the font is there (on the printer), but Acrobat 
can't access it because it's not on your PC.  However, I'm not sure that 
Symbol is supplied with printers, so that may not be the answer.

One possible thing to check is this.  I vaguely remember having a 
similar problem a few years back.  We use the Type 1 Symbol font, and it 
suddenly stopped printing.  This coincided with either a PC or Windows 
upgrade.  Eventually found out that I did not have the True Type Symbol 
font installed (symbol.ttf).  Even though I was using the T1 font and 
not the TT font, Windows needed the TT font to be present for the T1 
version to "work".  It might pay to check your Windows\Fonts directory 
and make sure symbol.ttf is present.  If not, install it (just copy it 
from another PC and then install it on yours).

Good luck

Dave

elizabeth moffatt wrote, on 3/09/2008 1:51 p.m.:
> Hi,
>
> I am having an issue with at least one font on my system. 
>
> Within Framemaker, the font is available to use and shows up fine. However, 
> when I create a PDF or print a hardcopy, the font disappears. There is no 
> warning that the font is missing. The font is "Symbol".
>
> I have: 
> Framemaker version 7.0p578
> Adobe Type Manager 4.1 build 243 lite
> Acrobat prof 8.1.2
>
> Computer is running XP with service pack 2
>
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Best Indexing Tool for FrameMaker?

[Bruce Wolf]

Top-notch is a bit of an understatement.  Superb works for me.

:)

BW


--- On Thu, 9/4/08, Art Campbell  wrote:

> From: Art Campbell 
> Subject: Re: Best Indexing Tool for FrameMaker?
> To: "Jennifer Collier" 
> Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Date: Thursday, September 4, 2008, 8:06 AM
> IXGen is my standard tool.
> Highly recommended, and Frank's customer support is
> top-notch.
> 
> Art
> 
> On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 4:31 PM, Jennifer Collier
>  wrote:
> > We are currently using FrameMaker 6.0 but are going to
> move to
> > FrameMaker 8 (Structured) within the next year. We are
> in desperate need
> > of a indexing tool. What are your recommendations?
> I've done some
> > research but I'd like to hear what's working
> well in the field. Thanks
> > in advance for your input.
> >
> >
> >
> > Jen Collier
> >
> > Horizon Software International, LLC
> >
> > Technical Publications Manager
> >
> > 770-554-6353 ext. 283
> >
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FrameImage (was Equation Editor Issues)

[orand...@comcast.net]

Question: What does "Save  FrameImage with Imported Graphics" do?
Answer: Back in the early days when FrameMaker was a true cross-platform tool 
that would allow you to work the same Frame file on Windows, Mac and various 
flavors of Unix, FrameImage was an equilizer giving you a common format across 
the three platforms for imported raster images.
While you could probably still use it with mif, etc. I doubt that many need it 
today. FrameImage is mostly an artifact. Turning it on will bloat your file 
sizes and give you little or no benefit.

Graphic causing Frame to crash

[Lin Sims]

FrameMaker 8
Windows XP SP3

I have a a couple of .png graphics that I copied to a Master Page.
Every time I use the right-click menu to select Object Properties,
Frame crashes. I tried converting the graphics to GIF but got the same
result.

These same graphics will, sometimes but not reproducibly always (at
least not that I've noticed), disappear, leaving a grey box behind. So
far that's been fixable by reimporting the page layout from elsewhere,
but I'd rather not have to worry about that happening.

Does anyone know what might be causing this and, more importantly, how
to fix it permanently instead of with a bandaid?

Thanks.

-- 
Lin Sims

Graphic causing Frame to crash

[Art Campbell]

First,
What are you trying to accomplish with them on the master page? For
most things, copying them in isn't a great solution; importing by
reference is way better, but it depends on what you're trying to do.

AND... the grey box is what happens when you're running out of RAM and
Frame takes steps to prevent your system from crashing. But because
you didn't provide any details about your system vitals, it's hard to
tell.

Art

On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 2:09 PM, Lin Sims  wrote:
> FrameMaker 8
> Windows XP SP3
>
> I have a a couple of .png graphics that I copied to a Master Page.
> Every time I use the right-click menu to select Object Properties,
> Frame crashes. I tried converting the graphics to GIF but got the same
> result.
>
> These same graphics will, sometimes but not reproducibly always (at
> least not that I've noticed), disappear, leaving a grey box behind. So
> far that's been fixable by reimporting the page layout from elsewhere,
> but I'd rather not have to worry about that happening.
>
> Does anyone know what might be causing this and, more importantly, how
> to fix it permanently instead of with a bandaid?
>


-- 
Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com
 "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent
and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
 No disclaimers apply.
 DoD 358

Graphic causing Frame to crash

[Art Campbell]

OK, based on this info:
 * Actually, importing the graphics by reference rather than copying
does buy you something -- the parent file doesn't contain the graphic
information, so it's smaller, lighter weight and doesn't suck up as
much memory. And if you break the reference link, it's only a matter
of relinking once.
 * If the PNG files are 24-bit files, you may want to resave them in a
graphics editor as 8-bit. FM deals with that flavor better. You may
want to try converting the graphics to PDFs. Again, more portable. The
thing that's odd is not being able to see the object properties and
that they don't reproduce in the PDFs -- that makes it sound as if
there's something wrong with the originals...

You're right, the amount of RAM is marginal... XP uses quite a bit to
start with, and if FM has to load the embedded graphics each time it
loads, there goes some more

Art

On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 2:44 PM, Lin Sims  wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 2:29 PM, Van Boening, Tammy
>  wrote:
>> Hi Lin,
>>
>> I too have had this problem and there are a couple of solutions
>>
>> 1.) Can you capture the graphic again as a .png - even if it is a screen
>> capture of the graphic itself - not of the source that led to the
>> original screen capture?
>> 2.) Do you have Snagit or some similar tool? If so, you can use SnagIt's
>> catalog conversion functionality to convert the graphic to a .bmp then
>> back to .png.
>
> I used IrfanView to convert from PNG to GIF. I do have SnagIt, so I'll
> try that, too. Won't converting to .bmp lose information, though? I
> haven't tried recapturing the graphic. I'll try that. Probably by
> opening the original in IrfanView and using SnagIt to do the capture!
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 2:30 PM, Art Campbell  
> wrote:
>> First,
>> What are you trying to accomplish with them on the master page? For
>> most things, copying them in isn't a great solution; importing by
>> reference is way better, but it depends on what you're trying to do.
>>
>> AND... the grey box is what happens when you're running out of RAM and
>> Frame takes steps to prevent your system from crashing. But because
>> you didn't provide any details about your system vitals, it's hard to
>> tell.
>>
>> Art
>
> I thought the grey box might be due to memory problems. Those grey
> boxes showed up in the PDF files, though, so I'm wondering if more is
> going on than just display problems?
>
> Hardware specs are: AMD Athlon 2700+ (2.16 GHz) with 992 MB of RAM.
> I'd gripe, but I think we're getting new boxes soon with more memory.
> Which is good, since I tend to have about 20 or so windows open on 2
> screens at any one time.
>
> The master page in question is the cover page for the documents I
> produce. There are two graphics on it: a large one with the product
> logo and a smaller one acting as a company/bottom border. Copying them
> in means I don't have to reimport every time I create a new document
> in a new directory. They aren't changing, so I gain nothing by
> importing by reference.
>
> Lin
>
>> On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 2:09 PM, Lin Sims  wrote:
>>> FrameMaker 8
>>> Windows XP SP3
>>>
>>> I have a a couple of .png graphics that I copied to a Master Page.
>>> Every time I use the right-click menu to select Object Properties,
>>> Frame crashes. I tried converting the graphics to GIF but got the same
>>> result.
>>>
>>> These same graphics will, sometimes but not reproducibly always (at
>>> least not that I've noticed), disappear, leaving a grey box behind. So
>>> far that's been fixable by reimporting the page layout from elsewhere,
>>> but I'd rather not have to worry about that happening.
>>>
>>> Does anyone know what might be causing this and, more importantly, how
>>> to fix it permanently instead of with a bandaid?
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com
>>  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent
>> and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
>>  No disclaimers apply.
>>  DoD 358
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Lin Sims
>



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and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
 No disclaimers apply.
 DoD 358

Graphic causing Frame to crash

[Lin Sims]

On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 2:29 PM, Van Boening, Tammy
 wrote:
> Hi Lin,
>
> I too have had this problem and there are a couple of solutions
>
> 1.) Can you capture the graphic again as a .png - even if it is a screen
> capture of the graphic itself - not of the source that led to the
> original screen capture?
> 2.) Do you have Snagit or some similar tool? If so, you can use SnagIt's
> catalog conversion functionality to convert the graphic to a .bmp then
> back to .png.

I used IrfanView to convert from PNG to GIF. I do have SnagIt, so I'll
try that, too. Won't converting to .bmp lose information, though? I
haven't tried recapturing the graphic. I'll try that. Probably by
opening the original in IrfanView and using SnagIt to do the capture!


On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 2:30 PM, Art Campbell  wrote:
> First,
> What are you trying to accomplish with them on the master page? For
> most things, copying them in isn't a great solution; importing by
> reference is way better, but it depends on what you're trying to do.
>
> AND... the grey box is what happens when you're running out of RAM and
> Frame takes steps to prevent your system from crashing. But because
> you didn't provide any details about your system vitals, it's hard to
> tell.
>
> Art

I thought the grey box might be due to memory problems. Those grey
boxes showed up in the PDF files, though, so I'm wondering if more is
going on than just display problems?

Hardware specs are: AMD Athlon 2700+ (2.16 GHz) with 992 MB of RAM.
I'd gripe, but I think we're getting new boxes soon with more memory.
Which is good, since I tend to have about 20 or so windows open on 2
screens at any one time.

The master page in question is the cover page for the documents I
produce. There are two graphics on it: a large one with the product
logo and a smaller one acting as a company/bottom border. Copying them
in means I don't have to reimport every time I create a new document
in a new directory. They aren't changing, so I gain nothing by
importing by reference.

Lin

> On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 2:09 PM, Lin Sims  wrote:
>> FrameMaker 8
>> Windows XP SP3
>>
>> I have a a couple of .png graphics that I copied to a Master Page.
>> Every time I use the right-click menu to select Object Properties,
>> Frame crashes. I tried converting the graphics to GIF but got the same
>> result.
>>
>> These same graphics will, sometimes but not reproducibly always (at
>> least not that I've noticed), disappear, leaving a grey box behind. So
>> far that's been fixable by reimporting the page layout from elsewhere,
>> but I'd rather not have to worry about that happening.
>>
>> Does anyone know what might be causing this and, more importantly, how
>> to fix it permanently instead of with a bandaid?
>>
>
>
> --
> Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com
>  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent
> and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
>  No disclaimers apply.
>  DoD 358
>



-- 
Lin Sims

Plugins, Framescripts, etc.

[Carole Johnson]

All of the below




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To
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Subject
Re: Plugins, Framescripts, etc.






Writing as someone who develops plugins for FrameMaker, I would also 
be interested to hear from users about what features they are most 
interested in. From process automation, to database integration and 
publishing, to XML roundripping, there are countless ways to extend 
FrameMaker.

Best regards,

Martin
www.golehtek.com

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FrameImage (was Equation Editor Issues)

[Peter Gold]

On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 9:02 AM,   wrote:
> Question: What does "Save  FrameImage with Imported Graphics" do?
> Answer: Back in the early days when FrameMaker was a true cross-platform tool 
> that would allow you to work the same Frame file on Windows, Mac and various 
> flavors of Unix, FrameImage was an equilizer giving you a common format 
> across the three platforms for imported raster images.
> While you could probably still use it with mif, etc. I doubt that many need 
> it today. FrameImage is mostly an artifact. Turning it on will bloat your 
> file sizes and give you little or no benefit.

The common format was for image previews in FM documents, regardless
of the platform or graphic format. Without a FrameImage, a graphic
that couldn't be previewed would appear as a gray box placeholder on
screen, but would reproduce correctly when output.

Regards,

Peter
__
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KnowHow ProServices

Graphic causing Frame to crash

[Combs, Richard]

Lin Sims wrote: 

> FrameMaker 8
> Windows XP SP3
> 
> I have a a couple of .png graphics that I copied to a Master Page.
> Every time I use the right-click menu to select Object Properties,
> Frame crashes. I tried converting the graphics to GIF but got the same
> result.
> 
> These same graphics will, sometimes but not reproducibly always (at
> least not that I've noticed), disappear, leaving a grey box behind. So
> far that's been fixable by reimporting the page layout from elsewhere,
> but I'd rather not have to worry about that happening.

Just a guess: You said you "copied" them -- did you by chance _paste_
them into FM? If so (depending on your ClipboardFormatPriorities setting
in maker.ini), you may have inserted them as embedded OLE objects. You
do _not_ want that. It brings along a ton of overhead from the
application associated with PNG files on your system. And it can be
quite unstable, especially in a low-memory, low-resource situation.

If you pasted them (or used File > Import > Object), delete them and
insert them properly, using the File > Import > File command and
selecting Copy into Document. 

Someone suggested saving as 8-bit PNG. IMHO, that's a bad idea, too. The
file size savings is remarkably small. And 8-bit color uses a 256-color
palette. All the defined palette colors (like RGB 150,88,127) in all
your PNGs get added to the FM document's list of defined colors. A bit
of a nuisance, if you ask me.

HTH!
Richard


Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
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Best Indexing Tool for FrameMaker?

[Rick Quatro]

Hi Robert,

Scott Prentice maintains a list of FrameMaker plugins at 
http://www.leximation.com.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing Inc
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com


Hi Guys,

Not sure if it is acceptable to continue a thread like this, but in fact I
would be interested to learn the full list of plugins you guys use, at least
the ones that are most important and useful to you.

I currently work without plugins in *unstructured framemaker*, and must
create my chapter table of contents manually, indexing is not even performed
at the moment . . . I am missing special find/replace functions that I know
exist . . . and so, it would be great to see what collection of plugins you
use and recommend.

I intend to take a list of these to my company and see if we can?t get some
of them to make my life easier.

Cheers,

Robert

MIF to SGML/XML

[Rick Quatro]

Hi Scott,

MSXML is not a format but an XML parser/processor. It is very fast and 
stable, and has a small footprint. I have heard even ardent Microsoft-haters 
say that it is an excellent XML tool. Best of all, it can be controlled from 
FrameScript. It is also free.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing Inc
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com


>I wouldn't advise anyone to use MSXML. It's a proprietary format. I know, 
>that's an oxymoron in conjunction with XML in general, but it's true. Add 
>to that Microsoft's penchant for adding extraneous, gratuitous, and bloated 
>code to it's conversion output and it would seem counter-productive going 
>that route.
>
> Scott
>
> At 9:40 AM -0400 9/3/08, Rick Quatro wrote:
>>Hi Darren,
>>
>>I think Scott Prentice has an application that does this; check
>>http://www.leximation.com. You could also use FrameScript and MSXML to go
>>directly from FrameMaker to XML, bypassing MIF altogether. If you are
>>interested in this approach, please contact me offlist. Thanks.
>>
>>Rick Quatro
>>Carmen Publishing Inc
>>585-659-8267
>>www.frameexpert.com
> 

Plugins, Framescripts, etc.

[Rick Quatro]

Hi Robert,

In my opinion, the best FrameMaker plugin is FrameScript 
(http://www.framescript.com) because it provides a complete scripting 
environment for FrameMaker. Instead of buying ready-made solutions which 
might be exactly what you need, you can write your own with FrameScript.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing Inc
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com


> Hi Framers,
>
> I currently use Framemaker 8 to create unstructured pdf manuals.
>
> I do not have any of the cool plugins for chapter TOCs, indexes, wicked
> find/replace utilities, and I am not sure about what is available, so I
> thought I would ask the Framers!
>
> What plugins do you use and recommend? I imagine this thread being a
> discussion of what is available and what is recommended.
>
> Thanks!
>
> -- 
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> 93-423-1784
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MIF to SGML/XML

[Rick Quatro]

Hi Scott,

Confidence is gained from experience. I have confidence in MSXML because I 
have used it successfully in dozens of my scripts. I have not heard a single 
complaint from any of my clients that have it installed. If you discount 
software just because it is from Microsoft, you will miss out on some good, 
time-saving, production tools. Any big software company is going to have 
some junk (Apple and Adobe included), but I don't like to "throw out the 
baby with the bath water," as they say.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing Inc
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com


> You have more confidence in Microsoft than I do then.
>
> Scott
>
> At 10:16 AM -0400 9/4/08, martin.smith at golehtek.com wrote:
>>Hi all,
>>
>>Rick isn't talking about using the Word XML document format in this
>>case. He is talking about using the MSXML Active X control that is
>>built into windows.
>>
>>FrameScript can pass instructions to this control, which opens up the
>>ability to generate custom XML directly from FrameMaker, as well as to
>>perform operations using XPath and XQuery. You can also use the
>>control to reconstruct FrameMaker documents from XML.
>>
>>I personally use the MSXML control to produce XML-based embedded help
>>systems for database-driven, web-based applications. FrameScript
>>enables me to encode select elements of a structured document in XML,
>>perform XSL transforms, and push the XML directly into an Oracle
>>database.
>>
>>Best regards,
>>
>>Martin
>>
>>Martin R. Smith
>>www.golehtek.com
>>
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OT: Corp-to-Corp

[William Abernathy]

I've learned recently that the contract I've worked under for the past 6 or so 
years is going to expire and not be renewed. So, for the first time in quite a 
while, I will be back on the market. I have been considering incorporating, 
because I do not like having a third-party company interjecting itself between 
me and my client, making me a W-2, and skimming a little for their "trouble."

My question is whether asserting that I wish to work corp-to-corp would be more 
of a hindrance than it's worth. Some colleagues I've discussed this with have 
indicated that the market for this type of employment arrangement is drying up, 
and that more and more companies are demanding a third-party "body shop" to 
interpose, and thus provide them with some (illusory) protection from Vizcaino 
liability.

So, before I drop well over a thousand in fees to incorporate, I would like to 
hear your experiences in negotiating corp-to-corp as a freelance tech writer, 
good, bad, or ugly. I am especially interested if any of you have recent 
experiences from the EDA world to relate.

Obviously, because this is wildly off-topic, I must request that you DO NOT 
respond to the whole list. If you are reading this at all, it's a testament to 
the extreme indulgence of the moderator.

Thanks in advance,

--William

How to get tables to span pages

[Carl Yorke]

Hi all,

I'm using Frame 7.2. I have a table that is the size of one page, but
the text above it only takes a quarter of a page. The table positions
itself at the top of the next page. I'm looking for a way to make it
flow from one page to the next so that it stays close to the text
directly above it. Hope you can help.



Best,

Carl Yorke

TAG Systems

FM7 and OLE

[Tarlochan S. Nahal]

Thanks for the Frame.ini file tip. It works fine as far as cut and paste goes 
into Frame from other text sources such as Word. It is certainly better than 
"Special Paste" which we tend to forget?at times?and end up introducing a 
'persona non grata' font.
?
Importing or pasting a Visio 7?drawing into Frame 7.2 is still a problem for 
which I found no viable solution. I certainly have not tried removing SP3 
simply because I do not know how it will affect my system.
?
Frame is simply refusing to save any changes even if you simply double-clicked 
on a Visio drawing, got into the editing mode, but?did not?make any changes at 
all. For some reason Frame thinks you have made some changes to the Visio 
drawing which is not true. 
?
?
Regards
?
Tarlochan S. Nahal
?
Sr. Technical Writer


--- On Thu, 9/4/08, quills at airmail.net  wrote:

From: quills at airmail.net 
Subject: Re: FM7 and OLE
To: dspreadb at yahoo.com, framers at lists.frameusers.com, "Cal Callahan" 

Cc: tnahal99 at yahoo.com
Date: Thursday, September 4, 2008, 6:51 AM

This is a default behavior in FrameMaker, and one that many users detest.

Fortunately, the programmers made it a behavior that can be customized.

Open the Maker.ini file in your FrameMaker directory.
Search for the string ClipboardFormatsPriorities

The list of formats behind this property dictate the preference of 
pasting a clipboard item.

Change the property to read as follows:
ClipboardFormatsPriorities=TEXT, FILE, OLE 2, EMF, META, DIB, BMP, MIF, RTF

This will make your past from the clipboard use plain text first, 
then default to the other formats in the order listed.

This will enable you to paste plain ASCII text directly from a copy 
paste operation.

Scott


At 7:42 PM -0700 9/3/08, David Spreadbury wrote:
>We had the same problem, pasted text from Word going into an 
>anchored frame, until we noticed the 'other' right-click paste 
>option "Paste Special."
>
>This option presents a new menu of what the Special represents. 
>Select Text and it should work.
>
>--- On Sat, 8/30/08, Cal Callahan  wrote:
>
>From: Cal Callahan 
>Subject: FM7 and OLE
>To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
>Cc: tnahal99 at yahoo.com
>Date: Saturday, August 30, 2008, 2:06 PM
>
>The problem is with MS OLE. You MIGHT work around it by removing SP3,
>although this didn't work for me. (That was the only suggested solution
I
>found in an extensive search of the web.)
>
>My problem, however, was a little different. After importing a Visio file,
>all attempts to copy & paste text from a Word doc into Frame resulted
in
>the
>text coming in an anchored frame. I got around it by running the text
>through OpenOfficeWriter first.
>
>I had no problems with Frame 8.
>
>I would very interested in hearing how anyone else resolved this problem.
>
>cal