Re: [Framers] Crash with Internal Errors: 13054, 21985197, 21967009, 21686210

[Bernard Aschwanden (Publishing Smarter)]

Do you have PNG files in the doc? I find that SOME of them (not all, that
would be almost too easy) get scanned by FM and the colors added to the
catalog.

I hate PNG for that reason. Is it justified hate? Maybe not. However, it's
hate regardless.

Sometimes I just save files as PNG so that I can bulk Shift+Delete them on
my computer.

Bernard



-Original Message-
From: Framers
[mailto:framers-bounces+bernard=publishingsmarter@lists.frameusers.com]
On Behalf Of Lin Sims
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 2:52 PM
To: Frame Users
Subject: [Framers] Crash with Internal Errors: 13054, 21985197, 21967009,
21686210

Anyone know what these errors refer to? I have a file that frequently
crashes Frame, and this was the latest series of internal errors it gave me.

I did do a MIF wash and noticed one odd thing: Frame has renamed the color
Black to fm_gen_## when I save to the MIF file. If I  edit those
definitions back to Black in the MIF file and resave as Frame, the
definitions stay the same in the MIF file, but Frame once more renames the
color to fm_gen_## (different numbers this time). It also renames the
color in one (but only one) of the condition tags it's used in.

The file is a large one (18.4 Mb) and has 18 figures embedded in it (not my
choice, but there is no choice), several of which are affected by
conditions, 16 tables, conditions galore (18), and loads of
cross-references. It's been giving me fits for several months now, to the
point where I literally created a new Frame file and copied and pasted all
the text as plain text and reformatted it, and reimported all the graphics.
It behaved for about 2 months and is now crashing all over again.

I expect to be working with this set of files daily for the next 6 months at
least. I cannot afford to lose the time it takes to crash, recover,
mif-wash, etc., etc., etc., that this is taking up.

Suggestions gratefully (and exhaustedly) received.

Pertinents:

Windows 7, all patches applied
FrameMaker 2015, latest patches applied
Plugins: AutoText, TableCleaner (DLL, not script)
2 home-brewed scripts: save all files in book to selected MIF formats; add
Table Continuation variable to all tables in a file


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Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 7.2 Crashes

[Bernard Aschwanden (Publishing Smarter)]

To add to my initial "upgrade" I will say that the click/drag bug was there
in some way in many versions. I would select a text frame, resize... crash.
I'd hold the button down, say a prayer, hope for the best... crash.

I found workarounds, but it just was a headache to do it every time. When it
crashed I was upset (see, nice and polite word) and expressed it (with words
that were NOT as nice and polite), and loved it when the bugs got fixed. I
have some clients still on versions 5 or 6 (and 7, 8, etc) but upgrading is
pretty simple in most cases, and the value in some incremental stuff may not
be there (some people stay with version X since version X+1 had minor
changes). However, jumping from a single digit version (7, 8, 9) to 2017 is
a major change.

If you do it, prepare to be frustrated by things moving on menus, but the
majority of the functions are still there. With 2017 there is enough (press
F7 almost anywhere to get a contextual menu of 'things you can do') that
makes it a major update, plus the first full quarterly patch is out so
initial bugs are resolved. Sure, there are still some things to deal with,
but it is a lot smoother than previous versions. Sounds weird to describe it
as such, but that's the best I have early in the day.

You can always download the trial, test it, and then decide. Like any new
product there will be the times you say "where is THAT thing I want", but it
is pretty sweet once it's running. Plus, if it does NOT do what you want,
just go back to the previous. As always, back up files before doing work,
and track what you do to ensure you can re-do it if you really need it in an
older version. Plus, there is always MIF.

Mileage will vary, but do consider the work to maintain a VM (I run a few of
them myself) as well as older software and the lack of support for them
after 5 or 10+ years of development into newer products.

Hope that helps a bit.

Bernard



-Original Message-
From: Framers
[mailto:framers-bounces+bernard=publishingsmarter@lists.frameusers.com]
On Behalf Of Caroline Tabach
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 8:55 AM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
Subject: Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 7.2 Crashes

When I first moved to Windows 7 I did not even manage to install Frame 7.2
with all of the patches.

We used an XP emulator and it worked very well

In addition, instead of dragging with a mouse, you can select text by
clicking at the beginning and pressing shift and at the end (instead of
dragging). This often works much better

Caroline Tabach
Technical/Marcom Writer
T. +972-77-7745-042


-Original Message-
From: Framers
[mailto:framers-bounces+caroline=radcom@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf
Of Robert Lauriston
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 4:43 AM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.

Subject: Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 7.2 Crashes

If you're not running it in Windows XP Mode, try that. It worked for me.
Download it here:

https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hh859554.aspx

Installation instructions (with an outdated download link) here:

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx%3Fid=8002

On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 6:36 PM, Dennis Brunnenmeyer
 wrote:
> Windows 7 Professional, 64-bit.
>
> On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 6:31 PM, Robert Lauriston 
> 
> wrote:
>
>> Which version of Windows are you running?
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Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 7.2 Crashes

[Bernard Aschwanden (Publishing Smarter)]

At the risk of sounding evil, have you considered an upgrade? Legit
question. Even if you use the trial version for 2017, see if it works. The
time saved may well be worth the cost. Add in reduced therapy costs... :)

Bernard



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From: Framers
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On Behalf Of Dennis Brunnenmeyer
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 9:06 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: [Framers] FrameMaker 7.2 Crashes

I've been struggling with this issue for some time. It's costing me untold
hours of lost time, forcing me to restart the application, re-open the
document and start over from the point where I last saved the file.
Unfortunately, I can't be expected to save tge file after every keystroke.

Attempting to delete a block of text by dragging over it with the cursor, no
matter how few characters or lines are highlighted, causes the program to
freeze, forcing a restart. The only way I can delete more than a few
characters at a time is to hold down the Delete key until the desired block
of text is, well, deleted.

Is there a fix for this?

Dennis...
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Re: [Framers] SPAM -> FM2017+Retina - Cursor/menu alignment?

[Bernard Aschwanden (Publishing Smarter)]

Mine does it when I resize screen resolution in Windows 10 without a
restart. It's like Windows says "no, what you ACTUALLY want is 2 inches to
the right" and I have to 'ghost' the mouse. I also resort to the restart.
However, I blame Windows for it as it does happen with a few other tools at
times. Maybe just new behavior in v10 though.

Bernard



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From: Framers
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On Behalf Of Alan Houser
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2017 11:23 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: SPAM -> [Framers] FM2017+Retina - Cursor/menu alignment?

Checking here to see if anybody else has experienced this ...

MacBook Pro (late 2016), Parallels 12, Windows 10, FrameMaker 2017 (build
14.0.0.361)

I occasionally see severe mis-alignment between my cursor and top-level
menus. For example:

- I click the "File" top-level menu item

- The "Edit" or sometimes "Insert" menu appears instead of the "File" 
menu. I can't select from the "File" menu.

Essentially, I need to use the arrow keys, shortcuts, or the new command
search feature to invoke commands. Restarting FrameMaker appears to clear
the condition.

This is intermittent, and I haven't identified the circumstances that
trigger this behavior. Has anybody else seen this?

-Alan

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Re: [Framers] Font size in marker windows, in FM2017

[Bernard Aschwanden (Publishing Smarter)]

I actively drag and drop my FM2017 between 2 monitors. One is a large
screen, but at 1280/720 resolution. The other is a smaller screen, but at
3000/2000. I can see things like the paragraph designer actually be at
"50/50" when I am between screens. Part is 'larger' and the other 'smaller'.
As soon as I drop the designer in one or the other it's "right". I can't
define it too clearly, but my 2 cents... Download the trial and see if it
work. I'm on my glasses for reading on the computer, and for the rest of the
world when I step away, but it does what I expect it to do. My expectations
and any other users may vary, but I'm happy with the dual monitor world,
dual resolutions, and with FM objects on one screen or the other.

Bernard



-Original Message-
From: Framers
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On Behalf Of kou...@kouroo.info
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 5:05 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: SPAM -> Re: [Framers] Font size in marker windows, in FM2017

>  The font size of the marker window is the same in 2017 as it is in
earlier versions. 
> So you will be very disappointed (and upset) if you upgrade to 2017 
> and expect a larger font in the marker window.

When Adobe released FM2017, they claimed to have finally made it compatible
with high-density screens, but I noticed that their screen grabs did not
include any demonstration of this. Since I suspected that they were merely
lying again, I contacted a sales rep and promised that I would upgrade
*immediately* to FM2017, *paying whatever price*,  if only they would
provide me with a screen grab that demonstrated that they were at long last
telling the truth -- that their newest release was indeed compatible with
high-density screens. When the sales rep was (predictably) nonresponsive, I
presumed that this meant that they were lying again. -- Now I see, from this
thread, that unfortunately this was an accurate assessment.

Please pardon me for anger at their disrespect of their customer base --
after passing through every release of FrameMaker since long before Adobe
acquired it, I am 79 now, and my eyes have become my severe limiting
condition.

Austin Meredith, kou...@kouroo.info
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Re: [Framers] Font Size in Index Marker Pod (FRMAKER-2451)

[Bernard Aschwanden (Publishing Smarter)]

Factor in screen resolutions as well. Then consider what "percent" your
Windows world is set to use. That may impact the comparison as well.

Bernard


-Original Message-
From: Framers
[mailto:framers-bounces+bernard=publishingsmarter@lists.frameusers.com]
On Behalf Of Scott Prentice
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 10:46 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: [Framers] Font Size in Index Marker Pod (FRMAKER-2451)

Interesting. On my 15" screen, here's what I see ..

 http://leximation.com/outbox/fm13-14-marker-dialog.png

Since both pods/panels/dialogs are resizable, I've made them both as small
as possible. The FM2017 text is slightly taller but narrower.

Perhaps the text size or font changes with screen size or resolution?

...scott


On 3/20/17 6:57 AM, Rick Quatro wrote:
> Here is how it looks on my 22" monitor. The 2015 pod is on the left 
> and the
> 2017 pod is on the right. The 2017 pod is bigger but the text is not.
>
> http://www.rickquatro.com/resources/2015_2017.png
>
> Rick Quatro
> Carmen Publishing Inc.
> r...@frameexpert.com
> 585-366-4017
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers
> [mailto:framers-bounces+rick=rickquatro@lists.frameusers.com] On 
> Behalf Of Stefan Gentz
> Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 9:42 AM
> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Font Size in Index Marker Pod (FRMAKER-2451)
>
> Seems, the formatting and screenshot got lost.
>
> You can see the side by side comparison of the (index) marker dialog 
> in FM
> 2015 and 2017 here:
>
> http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/marker-dialog-fm2015-vs-2017
>
>   
> Regards,
> Stefan Gentz
> Adobe Worldwide TechComm Evangelist
>
> Connect with us:
>   Facebook |  Twitter |  LinkedIn |  YouTube |  Our Blog |  Adobe TCS 
> User Forum
>   
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers 
> [mailto:framers-bounces+gentz=adobe@lists.frameusers.com]
> On Behalf Of Stefan Gentz
> Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 14:37
> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
> 
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Font Size in Index Marker Pod (FRMAKER-2451)
>
> Just to give a side by side example:
>
>
>
> [cid:image001.png@01D2A187.7C2EE270]
>
>
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Stefan Gentz
>
> Adobe Worldwide TechComm Evangelist
>
>
>
> Connect with us:
>
>   Facebook |  Twitter |  LinkedIn |  YouTube |  Our Blog |  Adobe TCS 
> User Forum
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Stefan Gentz
> Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 14:33
> To: 'An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.'
> 
> Subject: RE: [Framers] Font Size in Index Marker Pod (FRMAKER-2451)
>
>
>
> No, what I said is, that we have changed the index marker pod in FM 
> 2017. It is NOT the same as the one in FM 2015.
>
> The font size is the same now as in all other dialogs where you have 
> editable text. It's not the same small size as in FM 2015 anymore.
>
>
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Stefan Gentz
>
> Adobe Worldwide TechComm Evangelist
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
>
> From: Framers 
> [mailto:framers-bounces+gentz=adobe@lists.frameusers.com]
> On Behalf Of Rick Quatro
>
> Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 14:02
>
> To: 'An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.'
> 
>
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Font Size in Index Marker Pod (FRMAKER-2451)
>
>
>
> Wait, don't misunderstand what Stefan is saying. The font size of the 
> marker window is the same in 2017 as it is in earlier versions. So you 
> will be very disappointed (and upset) if you upgrade to 2017 and 
> expect a larger font in the marker window.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
>
> From: Framers
>
> [mailto:framers-bounces+rick=rickquatro@lists.frameusers.com] On 
> Behalf Of Stamm, David
>
> Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 8:36 AM
>
> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
>
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Font Size in Index Marker Pod (FRMAKER-2451)
>
>
>
> 2017-03-20-01T12:35Z
>
>
>
> Stefan -
>
>
>
> Thanks for this update.  Unfortunately, I have no idea whether (and if 
> so,
>
> when) I will get FrameMaker 2017 Release.  I guess that the change you 
> reported is something I'll just have to look forward to.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Dave Stamm
>
> Information Engineer
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
>
> From: Framers
>
> [mailto:framers-bounces+david.stamm=gd-ms@lists.frameusers.com] On 
> Behalf Of Stefan Gentz
>
> Sent: 2017-03-19-Sunday 09:39
>
> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
>
> Subject: [Framers] Font Size in Index Marker Pod (FRMAKER-2451)
>
>
>
> Hi
>
>
>
> In the last days there was some discussion about them index marker 
> text window.
>
>
>
> David Stamm had file this in as an enhancement request:
>
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftrack
> er.ado 
> be.com%2F%23%2Fview%2FFRMAKER-2451=02%7C01%7C%7C0acefd5e491145419
> edf08d 
> 

Re: [Framers] FM 2017 Feature Request: Restore color and scaling to menu icons

[Bernard Aschwanden (Publishing Smarter)]

My 2 cents. I think that the new ones took a rework approach that needed pretty 
major work. I tried to find them like in the past, but they have been 
redesigned. I think it's perhaps new images, and vector based. So it's not as 
easy as I first thought it would be. However, color plays a MAJOR role in human 
recognition of content. While I do love the larger and auto-adjusting icons (as 
I go from my 3000/2000 resolution to 1280/768 and it just is "right" is great) 
I also would love to see color.

I can also say that I was a pain in the butt to the Adobe team on the FM2017 
stuff with massive wish list requests, bugs founds, and questions posed, so 
it's nice that they DID manage to get as much in as they could. Plus, we've 
given them something for the next release.

Lastly, even with UI and UX and other experts at Adobe poking at it, I'd like 
to point out that the majority of the FM user base is likely +30 in age, not 
under 30. That may mean that audience analysis done for tools like PS, AI, and 
others are not like those for FM. Also, Acrobat does have color icons in it and 
they are amongst the few that I use.

Off to work (late night conf call for me). Good discussions all,

Bernard



-Original Message-
From: Framers 
[mailto:framers-bounces+bernard=publishingsmarter@lists.frameusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Lin Sims
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2017 8:27 PM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
Subject: Re: [Framers] FM 2017 Feature Request: Restore color and scaling to 
menu icons

FrameMaker 2015 provided the OPTION to use either unicolor or colored icons in 
the menu bar, and also to scale the menu bar icons larger. FrameMaker
2017 doesn't have the option available anymore.

I don't understand why providing that as an OPTION was taken away, since that 
allowed those who like color or larger scale icons in the menu/toolbars to have 
them, and those who prefer to have them look like the interface in other Adobe 
products to have that.

I don't think anyone here is asking that the menu/toolbar interface be all one 
way or all the other. We're asking that both ways be available, as they were in 
FM2015, so that we can make a choice regarding how we prefer them.


On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 7:40 PM, Stefan Gentz  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> we heard you!
>
> Thanks for all your feedback on the new icon design. We do appreciate 
> your feedback.
>
> As you might imagine, we did not take the decision to go for a 
> uni-color design easy and a lot of considerations and user feedback went into 
> this.
> And yes, there was a diverse feedback from users: Some users liked the 
> colored icons (for reasons many if you mentioned here as well) and 
> strongly encouraged us to keep the colored icons, others preferred a 
> uni-color design as they are used to it from other Adobe Apps and 
> because they preferred a more "calm", less "distracting" working 
> environment and strongly encouraged us to go for this. Also there is a 
> wide range of users worldwide throughout many countries and cultures 
> and age groups with a wide range of expectations.
>
> And no, we did not "dismiss and belittled" feedback in the prerelease 
> phase. But the feedback came in a very late phase and there was no 
> time left to take this into consideration. There are hundreds of icons 
> and the majority of them are in multiple sites for the new high-dpi 
> screen compatibility. It's nothing that can be done "overnight".
>
> Again, we did hear you and understand that there is a wide range of 
> personal preferences and tastes. We will discuss this over the next 
> weeks internally and explore the possibilities to satisfy the wishes 
> from both user groups – those who like the colored icons and those who 
> prefer uni-colored icons.
>
> By the way, my personal take on this is: I like the uni-color design 
> and prefer it over the colored icons. I like it, because it's more 
> calm and allows me to focus more on the content and get less 
> distracted by a big bunch of "candy-colored" icons (yes, Matt Sullivan, I 
> know … ;-)).
> I'm just used to this style as I also work every day in PhotoShop, 
> Illustrator and InDesign as well. And I'm used to it, as many modern 
> apps, tools, systems all have this kind of design. I just like it and 
> it's for sure a personal preference.
> By the way, I work with FrameMaker intensively for more than 20 years 
> and have pushed out several million of pages and went through all the 
> UI changes over the last ten product generations. And personally I 
> think the new FM 2017 UI is the best FrameMaker ever had – in terms of 
> logical enhancements and restructuring, terminology enhancements and 
> consistency, user-friendliness and productivity enhancements and 
> technical advancements (I'm running FM on a modern high-dpi screen and 
> LOVE the crystal clear, sharp UI and text editing).
> But again, that's just my personal 2 cents as a hardcore and 

Re: [Framers] OT: Stopping Adobe's auto install of Reader DC

[Bernard Aschwanden (Publishing Smarter)]

I think part of the issue is the tablet/mobile where the keyboard is going
away. I *love* shortcut keys and use them all the time. WAY more productive.
I put them into training, demo videos, etc.

It's not just Adobe/Microsoft either. Far too many companies are doing this
at the expense of the desktop. They need to consider the audience. I'd love
to know how many people use Adobe tools on a tablet vs a device that has a
keyboard.

Bernard



-Original Message-
From: Framers
[mailto:framers-bounces+bernard=publishingsmarter@lists.frameusers.com]
On Behalf Of Craig, Alison
Sent: Wednesday, March 1, 2017 1:10 PM
To: Frank Stearns; An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
Subject: Re: [Framers] OT: Stopping Adobe's auto install of Reader DC

How do you *re*install Reader 11?

I despise the Acrobat "DC" programs and have adamantly refused to upgrade
Acrobat Pro 11 to the "DC" version at work - although I seem to be stuck
with it at home.

I'm really tired of companies reworking their programs so they're "new and
improved" - are you listening Adobe and Microsoft?

Generally that means they *look* cool (or what some dork thinks is cool) but
they're actually massive steps backward in productivity as they keep driving
us back to the mouse and away from shortcut keys.


Alison Craig
Technical Documentation Specialist
BK Ultrasound | acr...@bkultrasound.com |
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From: Framers
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Behalf Of Frank Stearns
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2017 9:18 AM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
Subject: [Framers] OT: Stopping Adobe's auto install of Reader DC

This is getting insane. Four times now, behind my back, Adobe has "upgraded"
Reader 11 to DC. NO updating controls than I can find are set to auto.
They're either set to "ask before updating" or disabled.

I keep removing DC and reinstalling 11 (you'd think Adobe would get the
message), but like a bad horror movie, the DC monster keeps coming back.

Am I missing an update control somewhere? (Win7 Pro, SP1)

I recall seeing some apps designed to block Adobe from doing this, but it
seems ludicrous to have to do that (and who knows what's lurking in those
apps).

Any suggestions?

Thanks in advance,

Frank Stearns Associates | makers of IXgen(tm) for FrameMaker(r)
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Re: [Framers] Help: My Book switched from Unstructured to Structured

[Bernard Aschwanden (Publishing Smarter)]

Have you saved your workspace? Once you get it the way you like, click the
dropdown (top right of FM, next to the minimize/maximize icons), and take it
from there.

I use a few myself. They do get stored in a user directory, so *maybe* the
IT powers that be did a push of something that changed your configuration.
Too many possibilities, but if someone/somehow/somewhere changed that user
folder (new login name, whatever) that could do the damage.

The good thing is it wasn't permanent.

B



-Original Message-
From: Craig, Alison [mailto:acr...@bkultrasound.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 12:43 PM
To: bern...@publishingsmarter.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: [Framers] Help: My Book switched from Unstructured to
Structured

Thanks.
 
What really gave away that I wasn't "in Kansas anymore" was the fact the
**my** workspace setup was completely missing. 
 
It's amazing how reliant I am on my personal workflow.
 
Alison
 
 
From: Bernard Aschwanden (Publishing Smarter)
[mailto:bern...@publishingsmarter.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 5:41 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Cc: Craig, Alison
Subject: RE: [Framers] Help: My Book switched from Unstructured to
Structured
 
As an FYI, if this does happen, the structured interface is a superset of
the unstructured. All the unstructured stuff is there, and then a few more
goodies. If you accidently get dropped into structure from unstructured,
just work like normal (or reset it under Edit > Preferences) and don't
panic. HOWEVER, for anyone using structured files and actually using things
like the Element Catalog and the Structure View (for those who do use
structure that makes sense, for those who don't, feel free to stop reading)
and you go to UNSTRUCTURED and open your files, take note of warning. You
can often open *.fm files that are structured, but if you save them in
unstructured, the content remains, but the structure is gone.

Bernard



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Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 6:33 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: [Framers] Help: My Book switched from Unstructured to Structured
Fame
Importance: High

- Frame 12
- unstructured
- Windows 7 64 bit


I was just working in my **Unstructured** book and Frame 12 crashed.

I rebooted then restarted Frame and for some reason I am now in
**Structured** Frame.

I have never worked in Structured Frame so I have no idea how to get out of
this.

Any advice? I need to know in a hurry as I am on deadline (naturally!).

Alison Craig
Technical Documentation Specialist
BK Ultrasound | acr...@bkultrasound.com<mailto:acr...@bkultrasound.com>
<mailto:acr...@bkultrasound.com%3e>  |
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[Framers] FM2017 menu shift/search for commands

[Bernard Aschwanden (Publishing Smarter)]

I don't even use the 'search' option that is in the video. Just press F7
almost anywhere in FM2017, type a few words, and then when you see the
option press Enter.

Bernard



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On Behalf Of Shmuel Wolfson
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 5:16 AM
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Subject: Re: [Framers] Fwd: Meet the all-new Adobe FrameMaker (2017 release)

In terms of menu shifting confusion, one of the new features is a "Command
Search."
See this short video: https://video.tv.adobe.com/v/16937/

--
Shmuel Wolfson
Technical Writer
058-763-7133


On 21-Feb-17 6:32 AM, Alan Litchfield wrote:
> Apart from the menus being reshuffled and the hi-res screen preview, I 
> am not seeing a lot in the promo video that is "re-imagined".
>
> I am guessing I will have the same level of confusion as I adjust to 
> yet more command/menu shifting that I have over the last several years.
>
> Patiently
> Alan

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Re: [Framers] Help: My Book switched from Unstructured to Structured

[Bernard Aschwanden (Publishing Smarter)]

As an FYI, if this does happen, the structured interface is a superset of
the unstructured. All the unstructured stuff is there, and then a few more
goodies. If you accidently get dropped into structure from unstructured,
just work like normal (or reset it under Edit > Preferences) and don't
panic. HOWEVER, for anyone using structured files and actually using things
like the Element Catalog and the Structure View (for those who do use
structure that makes sense, for those who don't, feel free to stop reading)
and you go to UNSTRUCTURED and open your files, take note of warning. You
can often open *.fm files that are structured, but if you save them in
unstructured, the content remains, but the structure is gone.

Bernard



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From: Framers
[mailto:framers-bounces+bernard=publishingsmarter@lists.frameusers.com]
On Behalf Of Craig, Alison
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 6:33 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: [Framers] Help: My Book switched from Unstructured to Structured
Fame
Importance: High

- Frame 12
- unstructured
- Windows 7 64 bit


I was just working in my **Unstructured** book and Frame 12 crashed.

I rebooted then restarted Frame and for some reason I am now in
**Structured** Frame.

I have never worked in Structured Frame so I have no idea how to get out of
this.

Any advice? I need to know in a hurry as I am on deadline (naturally!).

Alison Craig
Technical Documentation Specialist
BK Ultrasound | acr...@bkultrasound.com |
bkultrasound.com

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[Framers] REPOST (shorter link): Want to compare Adobe FM2017 with your version? There's a page for that!

[Bernard Aschwanden (Publishing Smarter)]

Shortened the link to this (hope it helps):
https://goo.gl/l3yD41

Seems that the wrap may have messed up the original. Adobe has a PDF that
provides info on the functions of FM2017 compared with versions going back
to v9. Could be helpful in deciding to move to a new tool.

Bernard

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[Framers] Want to compare Adobe FM2017 with your version? There's a page for that!

[Bernard Aschwanden (Publishing Smarter)]

http://wwwimages.adobe.com/content/dam/acom/en/products/framemaker/framemake
r_2017/pdf/FM_2017_VERSION_COMPARISION.pdf

Adobe has a PDF that provides info on the functions of FM2017 compared with
versions going back to v9. Could be helpful in deciding to move to a new
tool.

Bernard

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[Framers] FM 2017 video question

[Bernard Aschwanden (Publishing Smarter)]

I'm going to start working on more regular videos for Youtube. Please reply
(off list so we don't fill this place with email related to one idea) and
let me know what FrameMaker features I can create a video for that will help
you, your clients, your users, or anyone that you want to learn about
FrameMaker.

Give me a general idea of the topic, and maybe even a quick paragraph of how
you use a feature that you want me to document. I'll work to put them
together, add them to Youtube, and then share it here.

Just taking a chance to reach out and see what freebies may help you the
most.

Thanks,

Bernard


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Re: [Framers] new framemaker release

[Bernard Aschwanden (Publishing Smarter)]

> I'm hoping to hear something about the new TCS 2017 and FrameMaker 2017
releases that are available today from those who have had a chance to see
and use them. 

Hi Craig,

A few short notes on my experience. I was involved with the beta testing, so
this is my 2 cents having used it for about 3 months or so.

I pestered for a bunch of things that likely are NOT as big at first. For
example, the icons in the Paragraph Designer drove me nuts, and we have text
there again. I find that so much easier than the pictures that, even after
years, still meant nothing. I'd hover and wait for the popup and I used the
thing daily. Grrr. Thanks for that fix :)

In the "find/change" things are alpha sorted. So you don't have Unresolved
Cross Ref and then also Any Cross Ref, but instead they are under "C" for
"Cross Reference".

Hi Res monitor support. I run dual monitors, and it's great. I can drag
stuff from my MS Surface Book at 3000/2000 resolution to my second monitor
at 1680/1050 and they resize "on the fly". I can actually see it in two
sizes as it moves between monitors. Pretty cool, but again, nothing you
notice immediately.

I also pestered about the autocorrect and that goofy red line. I think I
made the team slowly type a word like 'conditional' and asked why 'c' is ok,
as is 'co' and 'con' but then as I keep typing I need to get to 'condition'
before the software is happy again and THEN if adding 'a' it is wrong AGAIN.
So they fixed it and I'm not second guessing my typing as words are entered.
Minor feature, but a major impact.

It took me some time to get my head into the shortcuts and menus. I use a
lot of the ESC stuff, but also a ton of the "alt, f, s" to file > save, or
"alt, f, i, f" for file > import > format. Now, I press F7 all over the
place and get a context specific menu. Love that more and more as a power
user.

There is other stuff, and a lot of it is bigger and will be mentioned by
others, but this is a quick list of little things that impact my day-to-day
use. Odds are the Welcome Screen, Xref Pod (searchable, and takes a bit of
getting used to, but pretty cool), updated DITA templates (for those who
work with DITA and want to use the 'out of the box' templates to start), and
a bunch of other goodies.

Oh, almost forgot. Content Filters. For DITA. So now I can build my DITA and
use @product, @platform, @audience, etc. From there I "File > Publish" to
HTML5. In the setup you can enable filters that create HTML5 output with the
option to 'select' and display all content, but also allow people to filter
content based on the attributes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsAQXmRxIJc=PLJL3v-Ayk9rSIIoCi-rysO3f4i
NKtZvgB=2

About 50 seconds in you really get to see this happening. If you create
DITA, this is worth seeing (my 2 cents).

Bernard


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Re: [Framers] Cross reference format (what do you use?)

[Bernard Aschwanden (Publishing Smarter)]

More good stuff. Thanks and keep it coming folks :)

-Original Message-
From: Steve Rickaby [mailto:srick...@wordmongers.demon.co.uk] 
Sent: Friday, December 2, 2016 12:16 PM
To: bern...@publishingsmarter.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: [Framers] Cross reference format (what do you use?)

Hi Bernard

>I don't know. There are a LOT of ways to xref to stuff though.

Sure are. Quite often dictated by some sort of style guide, or an existing
template. What follows are only my personal preferences.

>My question is this: What would be the top 3 or 4 ways *you* xref
something?
>Not the steps to insert an xref, but the way it looks in your output.

Given the choice, 'This is shown in Figure 12', where only 'Figure 12' is
the xref. Avoid unnecessary words: less is more. So in this case the xref
would I guess be 'Figure <$paranum>'. In my opinion the more words you put
into an zref format, the more inflexible it becomes.

>Do you put in full sentence xrefs?

I'm not sure whether you mean an xref containing a full sentence in the xref
format (in which case, not if I can help it), or a <$paratext> xref to a
sentence somewhere else in the document. I've used the latter case to ensure
that a key text block is written once and cited by xref to ensure that it is
identical wherever it occurs. I found it tedious to use variables for this,
but I have forgotten why - probably the inability to inset character formats
within variables.

>Do you use words in them?

The minimum, and only if absolutely necessary: I prefer to avoid more than
one word. However, an exception would be if you want to repurpose the
content for print and online by (amongst other things) switching templates,
and you want to have words (for example, 'See page <>') for print, but not
for online. Single-sourcing means that xref formats needs a lot more
thought.

As an aside, publishers of textbooks destined for both print and eBook were
keen to ensure that *every* object in a document had an xref to it. This
makes sense, as an unreferenced object often (always?) cannot be found in
eBook format. We had to include this in our editorial checks, but it
sometimes resulted in a bit of a deluge of xrefs that didn't entirely make
sense in the context of the body text. Superfluous xrefs are an irritant.

> Do you use quotes around content?

Definitely not, looks old-fashioned imho: much better to use a distinctive
font or text face to make it clear that it's an xref.

This is just my 10c. Ultimately it all depends on the context. As Fred has
pointed out, the situations are different in documents that haves numbered
headings. If you want more info I can look back through past books and list
some actual xref formats for you if that would help. In many cases I
inherited templates that contained xrefs like 'For more information, see
Section "<$paratext>" on page <$pagenum>'. I found these very cumbersome and
usually reformatted them.

-- 
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Re: [Framers] Cross reference format (what do you use?)

[Bernard Aschwanden (Publishing Smarter)]

Thanks Fred. All is still well north of the border J

 

Bernard

 

 

 

From: Fred Ridder [mailto:docu...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, December 2, 2016 11:38 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com; bern...@publishingsmarter.com
Subject: Re: [Framers] Cross reference format (what do you use?)

 

Hey, Bernard! How's things up in the Great White North?

 

At my last three employers (i.e., for the last ~25 years...) we've used
numbered headings (at least 5 levels, although I always try to hold it to 4
levels) and numbered figure captions and table titles. Because of this, the
standard practice has always been to keep the cross-reference format simple
and only use the label (chapter/section/figure/table) and the number. Old
fashioned? Yes, but it works and it keeps the clutter down. 

 

Fred Ridder

 

  _  

From: Framers <framers-bounces+docudoc=hotmail@lists.frameusers.com> on
behalf of Bernard Aschwanden (Publishing Smarter)
<bern...@publishingsmarter.com>
Sent: Friday, December 2, 2016 10:19 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: [Framers] Cross reference format (what do you use?) 

 

Here is a simple question that I'm sure will have a LOT of opinion. I
hope...

Building some print-friendly xref formats, and I'm curious what people here
actually use. We're all familiar with the function (I think) or at least, we
should be.

You may have text like this:

Chapter 1. Canada
Blah blah
1.A Alberta
Blah blah
1.B New Brunswick
Blah blah

Plus you have tables, figures, equations, sections, examples, steps, etc,
etc, etc.

You link to stuff like "Canada" or "Chapter 1" or "Chapter 1. Canada" or
even "Canada on page 23" or whatever. Some xref content may be "See
<$paratext>" or "<$paranumonly>" or "step <$paranumonly>". You may also
choose to put in sentences like "For more information see section
<$paranumonly> on page\ <$pagenum>. " so that it is a self-contained
sentence.

I don't know. There are a LOT of ways to xref to stuff though.


My question is this: What would be the top 3 or 4 ways *you* xref something?
Not the steps to insert an xref, but the way it looks in your output.

What does the code or the xref look like? Do you put in full sentence xrefs?
Do you use words in them? Do you use quotes around content? I know that
there are a bizzilion ways to xref stuff, so input would be greatly
appreciated.

Lastly, I'm not concerned about online as that can be changed at publish
time. What do you do though in the print materials? For example, if I use
"For more info see pg <$pagenum>. " as a sentence in the online I can just
replace it with <$paranumonly>, or <@paratext>, or whatever. The issue for
me is "what do people do for print" in regards to the numbering, text,
quotes, etc.

Thanks to all.

Bernard



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[Framers] Cross reference format (what do you use?)

[Bernard Aschwanden (Publishing Smarter)]

Here is a simple question that I'm sure will have a LOT of opinion. I
hope...

Building some print-friendly xref formats, and I'm curious what people here
actually use. We're all familiar with the function (I think) or at least, we
should be.

You may have text like this:

Chapter 1. Canada
Blah blah
1.A Alberta
Blah blah
1.B New Brunswick
Blah blah

Plus you have tables, figures, equations, sections, examples, steps, etc,
etc, etc.

You link to stuff like "Canada" or "Chapter 1" or "Chapter 1. Canada" or
even "Canada on page 23" or whatever. Some xref content may be "See
<$paratext>" or "<$paranumonly>" or "step <$paranumonly>". You may also
choose to put in sentences like "For more information see section
<$paranumonly> on page\ <$pagenum>. " so that it is a self-contained
sentence.

I don't know. There are a LOT of ways to xref to stuff though.


My question is this: What would be the top 3 or 4 ways *you* xref something?
Not the steps to insert an xref, but the way it looks in your output.

What does the code or the xref look like? Do you put in full sentence xrefs?
Do you use words in them? Do you use quotes around content? I know that
there are a bizzilion ways to xref stuff, so input would be greatly
appreciated.

Lastly, I'm not concerned about online as that can be changed at publish
time. What do you do though in the print materials? For example, if I use
"For more info see pg <$pagenum>. " as a sentence in the online I can just
replace it with <$paranumonly>, or <@paratext>, or whatever. The issue for
me is "what do people do for print" in regards to the numbering, text,
quotes, etc.

Thanks to all.

Bernard



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Re: [Framers] crash saving to XML - resolved, sort of

[Bernard Aschwanden (Publishing Smarter)]

I've been using the most current patches of most/all of the software without 
that issue, but... Maybe some of the path names (do you link to other files, 
import images by reference, conref things) may be a part of the cause?

Odd issue, quirky workaround, but glad you got your content back!

Bernard



-Original Message-
From: Framers 
[mailto:framers-bounces+bernard=publishingsmarter@lists.frameusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Fred Wersan
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 10:50 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: SPAM -> [Framers] crash saving to XML - resolved, sort of

Last week I asked about a crash when I try to save to XML (Frame 2015, 
structured). After trying everything I could think of, I called Adobe support. 
After about an hour or so, the resolution was that if I copied the problem 
files to my desktop, I could save them to XML without crashing.

This was kind of weird. They had to actually be on the desktop, not even a 
subdirectory under it. It was tedious and annoying to work with the files, but 
I was able to save to XML and get on with the rest of my work.

So, I am passing this along as another strategy for dealing with crashes and 
corrupted files.

I am still suspicious that some of the recent patches caused the problem, since 
I installed them since my last successful save events. I tried to install Frame 
on a different computer so I could try it out without these patches, but 
naturally, it wouldn't install.

Fred
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Re: [Framers] Frame2015 (and 12) change paragraph format for paragraph format

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In FM 2015 there is an option at import to define what styles are used.
Video: http://tv.adobe.com/watch/framemaker-2015/fm-bttr-word-import/

For v12 as one idea, you could:

1. import to your template
2. click in first instance of Normal
3. apply Body
4. click in second instance of Normal
5. open Paragraph Designer
6. manually change the name "Normal" in the designer by typing in "Body"
7. click Update All
8. confirm that you want to rename all Normal to Body
9. click in the 'original' and first 'Body' tag (from step 3)
10. click Update All, confirm if needed


Not pretty but it lets you get to the Body format you want.

Bernard



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On Behalf Of Ant Davey
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2016 4:01 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: [Framers] Frame2015 (and 12) change paragraph format for paragraph
format

   Dear All,

   I'm using a set template to import Word into Frame and on occasion,
   Frame seems to be importing the Body paragraph format from Word as
   Normal, rather than transferring it into the Body format in Frame.

   Is there a way to get Frame to change one paragraph format into
   another, rather than just the obvious options of replacing it with a
   character format?

   Many thanks,

   Ant
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Re: [Framers] [OT] Dublin literary pub crawl? Writers Museum?

[Bernard Aschwanden (Publishing Smarter)]

Storing this in my bucket list folder. Now I know what to do when we get out
there. Thanks Steve!

Bernard



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On Behalf Of Steve Rickaby
Sent: July 1, 2016 6:21 AM
To: srick...@wordmongers.demon.co.uk
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: [Framers] [OT] Dublin literary pub crawl? Writers Museum?

At 04:31 -0400 1/7/16, John Sgammato wrote:

>My  wife and I are vacationing in Ireland.

Hurrah! ;-)

>Today we're in Dublin, and tonight we may join the literary pub crawl.
>Does anyone have experience with the pub crawl or the Writers Museum?

Not that, but I have a fair bit of experience of pub crawls in Dublin ;-)
Like the time I set off to walk the four miles to a favorite pizza joint in
Ballsbridge but was lured into O'Donoghues Bar for a quick Guinness on the
way. That was 7:30 pm; I never made it to the pizza place, and got out of
O'Donoghues at 11:30 having drunk seven pints of Guinness, only the first of
which I'd paid for. By the end of the evening the customers were packed so
tight that the bar staff had to stand on the bar and hand the drinks down
over people's heads.

>Any other attractions we mustn't miss?

Dublin has some great street statuary, all of which have hilarious
nicknames. The LUAS (tram) is fun to travel on. I'd recommend restaurants
but the last time I was in Dublin was 2004 and eating places tend to have a
short life. The National Galley of Ireland if you're into art, the Post
Office if you're into history, or any of the museums. Sheridan's if you're
into cheese. Bernard Shaw's house in Portobello. The Grand Canal towpath.
For that matter, the whole of Ireland - I love it ;-)



>I'll see some of the sites in Ulysses, but my wife would never endure 
>doing the whole walk.

Pretty much like the book, then ;-)

--
Steve [ex long-distance walker, mostly in Ireland]
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Re: [Framers] "Exemplified" - use in technical documentation?

[Bernard Aschwanden (Publishing Smarter)]

I'll chime in to say that in almost every case where people create content,
it should be done with the audience in mind. Unless the audience knows
"exemplified" it's likely best to stick to ideas other people have
suggested.

 

Simpler is often better. It's becoming more and more common for people who
read content to have a background that may not be "English first". That's a
good reason to stick to words they know best. The content we create isn't
(or generally *shouldn't*) be a way to show how clever we are with words,
but rather how clever we are with making people not even think about the
words and instead help them achieve their goals with no obstacles.

 

Want to be clever with words? Go do this awesome work (anyone able to rework
it, with all the punctuation, and in ANY way tie that to FrameMaker?)

 

Micah Lexier + Christian Bok

 

:-)

 

 

Bernard

 

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Framers
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On Behalf Of Syed Zaeem Hosain
Sent: May 31, 2016 1:50 PM
To: Stephen O'Brien; Frame Users (framers@lists.frameusers.com)
Subject: Re: [Framers] "Exemplified" - use in technical documentation?

 

"Exemplified" implies more than "shown in" ... it also has connotations of
"this is a better way". 

 

Unless that was the intention (i.e., emphasizing the "better way"), when
pointing to a figure or diagram, this is unnecessary and almost a tiny bit
arrogant.

 

Consider using a more active voice perhaps: "Figure X.X shows ..."

 

Z

 

> -Original Message-

> From: Framers [mailto:framers-

>  
bounces+syed.hosain=aeris@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of

> Stephen O'Brien

> Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 09:51 AM

> To: Frame Users ( 
framers@lists.frameusers.com) 

> <  framers@lists.frameusers.com>

> Subject: [Framers] "Exemplified" - use in technical documentation?

> 

> Hi,

> 

> A new technical writer uses < exemplified in Fig. X.X> in captions to
describe images in our technical reference documentation for a quality
control software.

> 

> I have asked that a simpler synonym be used (shown in Figure X.X).

> 

> I consider that "exemplified" is not a commonly used term (I haven't heard
or read the term in years) and is not easily read. The writer does not want
to give the term up, considering it equal to "illustrated in".

> 

> What do you think?

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[Framers] How to video: FM2015 and Responsive HTML5

[Bernard Aschwanden (Publishing Smarter)]

Working with conditional content? Need a better way to deliver than "2
similar, but different PDF files"?

 

Imagine this:

 

You create a doc that compares 2 products. For example, you may start with a
title that reads "Working with Microsoft WordAdobe FrameMaker". Then body
content after it that is similar, but has some content unique to one tool or
the other.

 

Create a condition and apply it to the words. Then you get this (exaggerated
differences in format by me):

 

Working with Microsoft WordAdobe FrameMaker

 

To create a PDF you select/deselect conditions to show and create 2 PDF
files. One is "Working with Microsoft Word" and the other is "Working with
Adobe FrameMaker".

 

That's okay, but not great.

 

Instead, you can deliver web content using Responsive HTML5. Then users can
toggle a filter to show one OR the other.

 

 

 

If you want to see how to use FM2015 to create content that is HTML5, and
that allows users to pick/choose what they see, check my video. It's free,
uses entirely default content, and anyone can re-create what is in it within
a few minutes (the video is under 15 minutes):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvzzl51jYZc

 

This video supports a 1 hour session I delivered at STC Summit in Anaheim a
few weeks ago at Adobe Day. I wanted to ensure that others who can benefit
from it see this in action. It's a pretty cool feature.

 

Hope it helps.

 

Bernard

 

 

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Re: [Framers] Deleting Colours

[Bernard Aschwanden (Publishing Smarter)]

I've tried wiping them via MIF (earlier versions) with no luck to speak of.
Perhaps hitting a monitor (always the unwitting victim) and cussing will
help. Not with deleting them, but with the frustration.

Bernard




-Original Message-
From: Framers
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On Behalf Of Scott Prentice
Sent: April 25, 2016 6:28 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: [Framers] Deleting Colours

No .. I'm pretty sure that the only way to know if it's "in use" is to scan
the entire file for the ColorTag value.

The ColorIsReserved, means that it's "reserved" by FM (a core color,
perhaps, which can't be deleted).

I'm just guessing though. The FDK reference may have more info. I can look
later if someone else doesn't have more useful info.

...scott


On 4/25/16 3:19 PM, Craig, Alison wrote:
> I have the Silicon Prairie colour tools but unlike the Para and Char
tools, there is no option for "delete unused colours".
>
>
>
> I've created a MIF file and am wondering how I separate the "in use" from
the "unused" colours.
>
>
>
> At a guess, I would say any colour with ""
is "in use", while any colour without that tag is an "unused" colour (per
the 2 examples below).
>
>
>
> Is that correct?
>
>
>
> Alison
>
>
>
>
>
> 
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>> # end of Color
> 
>
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>
>
>
>
>> # end of Color
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>
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>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Steve Rickaby [mailto:srick...@wordmongers.demon.co.uk]
> Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 3:14 PM
> To: Craig, Alison; Robert Lauriston; framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Deleting Colours
>
>
>
> At 15:05 -0700 25/4/16, Robert Lauriston wrote:
>
>
>
>> You can do it by editing an exported MIF. Check the book MIF as well, 
>> I've seen them stored there.
>
>
> Also, SiliconPrairie have a plug-in for managing colors, Color Tools.
>
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Re: [Framers] bug in FM2015 search/replace

[Bernard Aschwanden (Publishing Smarter)]

Ditto. Just tried a broad mix of the word raceme and 2 spaces with en and em
dashes. Just the two spaces were replaced, no lost characters.

Bernard

FM 13.0.1.385 on Windows 10



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On Behalf Of Heiko Haida
Sent: February 20, 2016 10:42 AM
To: Austin Meredith
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: [Framers] bug in FM2015 search/replace

 

I cannot confirm, replacing works fine. 
FM 13.0.2.433 on Win 7 ultimate 

Tino H. Haida, Berlin 

---Austin Meredith: 

> BEWARE: There's a bug or gotcha in FM2015's search/replace. When it 
> encounters a double space and asks if you want this double space 
> replaced with a single space, it eats the final letter off the 
> previous word! In my instance, "raceme[space][space][m-dash]" was made 
> into "racem[space][m-dash]".
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Re: [Framers] Paragraph numbering...

[Bernard Aschwanden (Publishing Smarter)]

One approach is to use the code

Re: [Framers] FrameMaker Upgrades

[Bernard Aschwanden (Publishing Smarter)]

However... The timing of releases historically has been about 18 months or
so between them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adobe_FrameMaker#Versions

If you check the last release you see June 2015, so **IF** (that is a
massive IF statement) that 18-ish months holds up it's unlikely anything is
happening before December of 2016 for the next one.


FrameMaker 10
Released January, 2011

Framemaker 11 
Released July 2012.

Framemaker 12 
Released January 2014.

FrameMaker 2015 Release 
Released June 2015.


Right Scott? ;)

I mean... I can't say.

Bernard





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On Behalf Of Scott Prentice
Sent: February 1, 2016 4:44 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: [Framers] FrameMaker Upgrades

Anyone who really knows .. can't say.

The best way to keep up on that is to sign up for the prerelease program.
You can typically go to http://prerelease.adobe.com and complete the
application .. but when I look now don't see FrameMaker or TCS on the list.
Perhaps contact "your" Adobe rep?

...scott


On 2/1/16 1:22 PM, David Spreadbury wrote:
> Has anyone heard rumors of a FrameMaker 2016 coming out this 
> year?We're running FrameMaker 12 and looking at upgrading to 
> FrameMaker 2015, but if there is a 2016 version coming out in the next 
> fewmonths we might as well wait.Thanks
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FrameMaker and SharePoint (user request)

[Bernard Aschwanden (Publishing Smarter)]

Hi all:

Quick question. Is anyone on the list using FrameMaker with a SharePoint
implementation and having success with it? I've got a client that is
considering this combination and I wanted to see what your thoughts are.

It would be structured (DITA) with FrameMaker 12 and SharePoint. Ideally
it's someone in the general vicinity of Toronto (Ottawa, Montreal, Boston,
NY) but if you are further out, that's okay. I'd like to get some ideas on
what works (and what might not be working) in your environment.

Please contact me offlist and I can arrange for a followup phone call.

Many thanks,

Bernard



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Hi all:

Quick question. Is anyone on the list using FrameMaker with a SharePoint
implementation and having success with it? I've got a client that is
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It would be structured (DITA) with FrameMaker 12 and SharePoint. Ideally
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RE: Is there a way to select or delete specific conditional text?

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MASSIVE WARNING: Read this first, and have a backup of your original materials. 
If changes are made and files saved there is ZERO
recovery or undo for this.



On a book or a single document, after showing the conditions:

1. Edit  Find/Change
2. Select Conditional Text from the drop down
3. Set the dialog as needed
4. Under Change, select Text
5. Do NOT put any content into the space below it (that is, leave the text to 
replace with as blank)
6. Click Find
7. Click Change and review the results
8. If you are happy with this, use Change All

A few quick notes as well. This removes the content, not the condition. If you 
need to remove the condition, delete the tag (and you
can then also delete the content). However, the method I have is very quick to 
apply, even across a book.


Hope that helps,

Bernard


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Sent: February-25-13 17:19
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Is there a way to select or delete specific conditional text?

Hi,

 

Is there a way to select or delete specific conditional text? I have an FM 10 
file with conditional text, which is getting imported
into my translations program. I am looking for a way to delete that text prior 
to importing for translation.

 

Thanks,

Jaime

 


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Is there a way to select or delete specific conditional text?

[Bernard Aschwanden (Publishing Smarter)]

MASSIVE WARNING: Read this first, and have a backup of your original materials. 
If changes are made and files saved there is ZERO
recovery or undo for this.



On a book or a single document, after showing the conditions:

1. Edit > Find/Change
2. Select Conditional Text from the drop down
3. Set the dialog as needed
4. Under Change, select "Text"
5. Do NOT put any content into the space below it (that is, leave the text to 
replace with as blank)
6. Click Find
7. Click Change and review the results
8. If you are happy with this, use Change All

A few quick notes as well. This removes the content, not the condition. If you 
need to remove the condition, delete the tag (and you
can then also delete the content). However, the method I have is very quick to 
apply, even across a book.


Hope that helps,

Bernard


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-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Zuniga
Sent: February-25-13 17:19
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Is there a way to select or delete specific conditional text?

Hi,



Is there a way to select or delete specific conditional text? I have an FM 10 
file with conditional text, which is getting imported
into my translations program. I am looking for a way to delete that text prior 
to importing for translation.



Thanks,

Jaime

RE: utility to check that all heading names are unique?

[Bernard Aschwanden (Publishing Smarter)]

The idea of an alphabetical generated list is a good one, and here are a few 
further tips. Build it, but then configure the
reference pages to drop the pg number. In the resulting generated file select 
all the content, then copy it to Excel.

In Excel you can select all the content and apply a filter to highlight 
duplicates. There are several other tips on the Excel side
of things, but this is a pretty easy way to flag the duplicates for editing in 
Frame.

Hope that helps,

Bernard




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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 4:29 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: utility to check that all heading names are unique?

Is there a utility that will check a FrameMaker book and report duplicate 
heading names?

I'm working on migrating from FrameMaker to Confluence, and duplicate heading 
names would cause problems.


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[Bernard Aschwanden (Publishing Smarter)]

The idea of an alphabetical generated list is a good one, and here are a few 
further tips. Build it, but then configure the
reference pages to drop the pg number. In the resulting generated file select 
all the content, then copy it to Excel.

In Excel you can select all the content and apply a filter to highlight 
duplicates. There are several other tips on the Excel side
of things, but this is a pretty easy way to flag the duplicates for editing in 
Frame.

Hope that helps,

Bernard




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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 4:29 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: utility to check that all heading names are unique?

Is there a utility that will check a FrameMaker book and report duplicate 
heading names?

I'm working on migrating from FrameMaker to Confluence, and duplicate heading 
names would cause problems.

Job Opening [Montreal]: Technical Editor/Publisher Opportunity

[Bernard Aschwanden (Publishing Smarter)]

Hi to all:



Earlier today I spoke with someone looking for a full time editor with 
FrameMaker skills who can work onsite in Montreal, Quebec,
Canada.



The goal is to fine someone who is comfortable in Structured FrameMaker and can 
really work to clean up content to standardize
appearance where needed, but also perform tasks like pull content from a 9 page 
spread down to 8, or clean up a table so that the
material represented "makes sense" or tweak the content for grammar. There are 
some specific things needed, but my take on this job
is that if you are able to work with FrameMaker, can navigate a structured 
document, and have a good eye/brain for grammar that
would be great. 



I would guess that you need to know how to follow a style guide (and when to 
deviate from it) as well as know how to work
comfortably with structured files in Frame. Longer term it sounds like this 
could be a really neat job as ebooks and online
publishing are also considerations. If this sounds like it's of interest, then 
please contact Jennifer. An excerpt from her email
follows.



Personally, it sounds fun, and I know the client and Montreal, and can tell you 
it's a good mix for someone who really wants a solid
and stable bit of work for years to come. I'm not going to move out there, but 
if this is of interest, then drop Jennifer a quick
email.



Thanks in advance to anyone who can help her out with this.



Bernard





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From: Jennifer Mielke [mailto:mie...@ianmartin.com] 



The ideal candidate will have experience with structured Framemaker and 
formatting templates with EDD.  A knowledge of Single
Sourcing will be considered a definite asset.



Primary responsibilities will be editing and formatting content to ensure it 
meets company standards using Framemaker, make PDF
files, tweaking existing templates and publishing dummy books.



This is a long term contract with our aerospace client in Ville St. Laurent.  
There is also the potential of it becoming a perm
position.



I would be delighted to answer any questions you may have.  Please feel free to 
contact me at 1-866-307-9675 ext 3234
<tel:1-866-307-9675%20ext%203234>  or Mielke at ianmartin.com.



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Online Frame 9/10 and DITA training

[Bernard Aschwanden (Publishing Smarter)]

Hi to all:

I've been asked to train a few people in structured authoring in Frame 9 or 10, 
specifically for use with DITA. I'd like to know
what the interest is in a course like this one:

www.publishingsmarter.com/training/adobe-framemaker-training/framemaker-and-dita-for-authors-creating


Generally there are two options that I'm looking at. One is for an online 
version of the course. I already have delivered it in this
fashion often, and am looking to do another course on Thu/Fri April 26/27, 
2012. The session would also be recorded so that after
the training you can review the materials for several months as needed. You 
also get a copy of this book:

www.publishingsmarter.com/resources/books-and-articles/framemaker

If you are interested in attending the online course, please email me for more 
information.

The training will address DITA and cover both FrameMaker 9 and 10. In addition, 
if you need to learn about Structured FrameMaker,
but aren't using DITA, the majority of the ideas still apply.

Lastly, if two or more people from the same company register there are 
discounts available.

Thanks to all,

Bernard




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SOLD: TCS 3.5 single box for sale

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Just in case you come looking, it's already gone. Thanks to all who use this 
list for quickly helping a co-worker. This went really
quickly. She'd been trying eBay and the like with little luck, but the Framer 
list came through in just a few hours.

Bernard



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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Bernard Aschwanden 
(Publishing
Smarter)
Sent: March-22-12 11:49
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: TCS 3.5 single box for sale

I just got this info from a colleague and wanted to share it with anyone 
interested in a single boxed copy of the TCS 3.5 software.
Please follow-up with Jacquie directly if you are considering the purchase.

 

 

For sale for $1400 USD or CAD: 

 

Adobe Technical Communication Suite 3.5 for Windows including:

* Adobe FrameMaker 10

* Adobe RoboHelp 9

* Adobe Photoshop CS5

* Adobe Captivate 5.5

* Adobe Acrobat X Pro

 

Still shrink wrapped and factory sealed.

 

Free shipping. Sale price: $1400 USD or CAD. Original price: $1899 USD.

 

Please contact: Jacquie Samuels jaxh...@gmail.com


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TCS 3.5 single box for sale

[Bernard Aschwanden (Publishing Smarter)]

I just got this info from a colleague and wanted to share it with anyone 
interested in a single boxed copy of the TCS 3.5 software.
Please follow-up with Jacquie directly if you are considering the purchase.





For sale for $1400 USD or CAD: 



Adobe Technical Communication Suite 3.5 for Windows including:

* Adobe FrameMaker 10

* Adobe RoboHelp 9

* Adobe Photoshop CS5

* Adobe Captivate 5.5

* Adobe Acrobat X Pro



Still shrink wrapped and factory sealed.



Free shipping. Sale price: $1400 USD or CAD. Original price: $1899 USD.



Please contact: Jacquie Samuels jaxheys at gmail.com

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[Bernard Aschwanden (Publishing Smarter)]

Hi to all:

I've been asked to train a few people in structured authoring in Frame 9 or 10, 
specifically for use with DITA. I'd like to know
what the interest is in a course like this one:

www.publishingsmarter.com/training/adobe-framemaker-training/framemaker-and-dita-for-authors-creating


Generally there are two options that I'm looking at. One is for an online 
version of the course. I already have delivered it in this
fashion often, and am looking to do another course on Thu/Fri April 26/27, 
2012. The session would also be recorded so that after
the training you can review the materials for several months as needed. You 
also get a copy of this book:

www.publishingsmarter.com/resources/books-and-articles/framemaker

If you are interested in attending the online course, please email me for more 
information.

The training will address DITA and cover both FrameMaker 9 and 10. In addition, 
if you need to learn about Structured FrameMaker,
but aren't using DITA, the majority of the ideas still apply.

Lastly, if two or more people from the same company register there are 
discounts available.

Thanks to all,

Bernard




Bernard Aschwanden
Publishing Smarter
www.publishingsmarter.com

Write Less. Write Better.

SOLD: TCS 3.5 single box for sale

[Bernard Aschwanden (Publishing Smarter)]

Just in case you come looking, it's already gone. Thanks to all who use this 
list for quickly helping a co-worker. This went really
quickly. She'd been trying eBay and the like with little luck, but the Framer 
list came through in just a few hours.

Bernard



-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Bernard Aschwanden 
(Publishing
Smarter)
Sent: March-22-12 11:49
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: TCS 3.5 single box for sale

I just got this info from a colleague and wanted to share it with anyone 
interested in a single boxed copy of the TCS 3.5 software.
Please follow-up with Jacquie directly if you are considering the purchase.





For sale for $1400 USD or CAD: 



Adobe Technical Communication Suite 3.5 for Windows including:

* Adobe FrameMaker 10

* Adobe RoboHelp 9

* Adobe Photoshop CS5

* Adobe Captivate 5.5

* Adobe Acrobat X Pro



Still shrink wrapped and factory sealed.



Free shipping. Sale price: $1400 USD or CAD. Original price: $1899 USD.



Please contact: Jacquie Samuels jaxheys at gmail.com

RE: Deleting backup files

[Bernard Aschwanden (Publishing Smarter)]

Before you read further, realize that the consequence of using a batch command 
to delete files can impact a lot of what you have on
a computer. The samples that were previously provided, as well as the update I 
suggest, can dramatically change the landscape. Using
this stuff incorrectly, or in the wrong place is a bit like using a backhoe to 
move a kids swing set. Sure, it works, and if you do
it well, it works with no negative issues, but if you do it wrong the whole 
thing crashes down around you.

SO, DON'T USE THIS CODE/BATCH FILE UNLESS YOU REALLY THINK THROUGH WHAT YOU ARE 
DOING.

Now that the Danger Will Robinson moment has passed, let's move on.

I'd suggest one more quick change to the code...

The line in step 5 reads:
del /s *backup*  *.log  *.tps  *.tpdf

I would suggest changing it to:
del /s /q *.backup.fm *.log *.tps *.tpdf

The update to *.backup.fm ensures you don't accidently delete a file named, for 
example, create_backups.fm which you don't want to
remove, but create_backups.backup.fm WOULD be deleted. The addition of /q 
runs quiet and won't prompt you for anything, it will
just wipe files.

Also, I have a tiny file that I created that does basically the same thing. 
First, I create a text file, put in the code I need,
then rename that file to .bat instead of .txt

Then, and do this carefully, I place the .bat file into a folder (using Windows 
Explorer) that is the root for the backup files you
need to wipe. Then, again in Explorer, dbl click the .bat. So I may create the 
batch, put it into E:\mydocs\FM\DITA_User_Guide\ and
that has 5 subfolders, and 10,000 topics, including a lot of backup files, log 
files, temp files, temp PDF. Then, in that folder, I
double click. About 30 seconds later all 10,000 files are reviewed and what I 
don't need is wiped.

BE REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY careful with this. If you 
accidently have *.fm in your .bat file, OR you put it into a
map to a server, or some folder where you didn't mean to do this, you can wipe 
a LOT more than you planned. The *.log file (as an
example) is used in a lot more places than just Frame and PDF generation. You 
would NOT want to do this on your C: drive either.

Lastly, this method works way faster than the Windows Explorer 'find' feature 
as it will just wipe the files with any of the four
extensions. To do it via Explorer may mean you take extra time to find each 
type, search, select, delete. The *.bat is super fast,
but can have dangerous consequences.

Hope that helps out.

Bernard


Bernard Aschwanden
Publishing Smarter
www.publishingsmarter.com

Write Less. Write Better.




-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Syed Zaeem Hosain
(syed.hos...@aeris.net)
Sent: November-30-11 23:41
To: Theresa de Valence; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Deleting backup files

1. Open a DOS command prompt window.

2. Navigate to the directory of choice. If the directory name is long, or has 
spaces in it, enclose it in double quotes (like this
cd  \tree  name\folder  name\  for example).

4. Make a copy of everything before deleting the backups (in case something 
goes wrong!). I do it like this in the directory where I
am:

mkdir  BACKFILES
copy  *.*  BACKFILES\*.*  /v

5. Then delete the FrameMaker backup and log files you want to (this is what I 
use for example):

del   *backup*  *.log  *.tps  *.tpdf

 Be careful above! Do NOT have any spaces beween the '*' characters and 
the other characters.

By the way, I keep the above del line in a text file called 
cleanframe.bat (in my DOS command path somewhere) so that I
just type cleanframe rather than take a risk of accidentally putting in 
spaces in the wrong place and deleting the wrong files!

6. After you are comfortable that you still have what you need, you remove the 
other files *if you want*:

rmdir  /s  /q  BACKFILES

Again, be careful of what you are removing!

Ultimately, having a complete backup (in case of recovery needs) is a good a 
idea before you start any of this - just to be safe.

Good luck,

Z

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Theresa de Valence
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 3:11 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Deleting backup files

Could someone please give me a command for deleting backup files in Windows 
(Windows 7)?

This is for the end of the project when I am no longer opening all the working 
files.

I'd like the command to work in the current directory and all subdirectories.

I vaguely remember how to do this in DOS, but I don't know how to navigate 
directories which are longer than 8 chars!

Many thanks,
Theresa
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Deleting backup files

[Bernard Aschwanden (Publishing Smarter)]

Before you read further, realize that the consequence of using a batch command 
to delete files can impact a lot of what you have on
a computer. The samples that were previously provided, as well as the update I 
suggest, can dramatically change the landscape. Using
this stuff incorrectly, or in the wrong place is a bit like using a backhoe to 
move a kids swing set. Sure, it works, and if you do
it well, it works with no negative issues, but if you do it wrong the whole 
thing crashes down around you.

SO, DON'T USE THIS CODE/BATCH FILE UNLESS YOU REALLY THINK THROUGH WHAT YOU ARE 
DOING.

Now that the "Danger Will Robinson" moment has passed, let's move on.

I'd suggest one more quick change to the code...

The line in step 5 reads:
del /s *backup*  *.log  *.tps  *.tpdf

I would suggest changing it to:
del /s /q *.backup.fm *.log *.tps *.tpdf

The update to *.backup.fm ensures you don't accidently delete a file named, for 
example, "create_backups.fm" which you don't want to
remove, but "create_backups.backup.fm" WOULD be deleted. The addition of /q 
runs "quiet" and won't prompt you for anything, it will
just wipe files.

Also, I have a tiny file that I created that does basically the same thing. 
First, I create a text file, put in the code I need,
then rename that file to .bat instead of .txt

Then, and do this carefully, I place the .bat file into a folder (using Windows 
Explorer) that is the root for the backup files you
need to wipe. Then, again in Explorer, dbl click the .bat. So I may create the 
batch, put it into E:\mydocs\FM\DITA_User_Guide\ and
that has 5 subfolders, and 10,000 topics, including a lot of backup files, log 
files, temp files, temp PDF. Then, in that folder, I
double click. About 30 seconds later all 10,000 files are reviewed and what I 
don't need is wiped.

BE REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY careful with this. If you 
accidently have *.fm in your .bat file, OR you put it into a
map to a server, or some folder where you didn't mean to do this, you can wipe 
a LOT more than you planned. The *.log file (as an
example) is used in a lot more places than just Frame and PDF generation. You 
would NOT want to do this on your C: drive either.

Lastly, this method works way faster than the Windows Explorer 'find' feature 
as it will just wipe the files with any of the four
extensions. To do it via Explorer may mean you take extra time to find each 
type, search, select, delete. The *.bat is super fast,
but can have dangerous consequences.

Hope that helps out.

Bernard


Bernard Aschwanden
Publishing Smarter
www.publishingsmarter.com

Write Less. Write Better.




-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Syed Zaeem Hosain
(Syed.Hosain at aeris.net)
Sent: November-30-11 23:41
To: Theresa de Valence; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Deleting backup files

1. Open a DOS command prompt window.

2. Navigate to the directory of choice. If the directory name is long, or has 
spaces in it, enclose it in double quotes (like this
"cd  \tree  name\folder  name\"  for example).

4. Make a copy of everything before deleting the backups (in case something 
goes wrong!). I do it like this in the directory where I
am:

mkdir  BACKFILES
copy  *.*  BACKFILES\*.*  /v

5. Then delete the FrameMaker backup and log files you want to (this is what I 
use for example):

del   *backup*  *.log  *.tps  *.tpdf

 Be careful above! Do NOT have any spaces beween the '*' characters and 
the other characters.

By the way, I keep the above del line in a text file called 
"cleanframe.bat" (in my DOS command path somewhere) so that I
just type "cleanframe" rather than take a risk of accidentally putting in 
spaces in the wrong place and deleting the wrong files!

6. After you are comfortable that you still have what you need, you remove the 
other files *if you want*:

rmdir  /s  /q  BACKFILES

Again, be careful of what you are removing!

Ultimately, having a complete backup (in case of recovery needs) is a good a 
idea before you start any of this - just to be safe.

Good luck,

Z

-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Theresa de Valence
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 3:11 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Deleting backup files

Could someone please give me a command for deleting backup files in Windows 
(Windows 7)?

This is for the end of the project when I am no longer opening all the working 
files.

I'd like the command to work in the current directory and all subdirectories.

I vaguely remember how to do this in DOS, but I don't know how to navigate 
directories which are longer than 8 chars!

Many thanks,
Theresa
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RE: FM 10 Backward Compatibility

[Bernard Aschwanden (Publishing Smarter)]

I've opened v6, v7, v8, and of course v9 files with v10. If you have any older 
ones, zip and email a sample to me and I can test it
out.

Bernard



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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Fred Ridder
Sent: January-31-11 15:06
To: poetessinte...@yahoo.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: FM 10 Backward Compatibility


FM10 should be able to open *any* .fm file, regardless of vintage. 
Back-saving from FM10 in a form that can be opened by older versions of 
FrameMaker is another matter, though...

 
 Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 05:30:27 -0800
 From: poetessinte...@yahoo.com
 Subject: FM 10 Backward Compatibility
 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 
 I would like to know what the backward file compatibility of Frame10 is.  
 What is the oldest rev of FrameMaker whose files Frame10
can open natively, without the need for an intermediate conversion to MIF?
 

  
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FM 10 Backward Compatibility

[Bernard Aschwanden (Publishing Smarter)]

I've opened v6, v7, v8, and of course v9 files with v10. If you have any older 
ones, zip and email a sample to me and I can test it
out.

Bernard



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From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Fred Ridder
Sent: January-31-11 15:06
To: poetessintexas at yahoo.com; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: FM 10 Backward Compatibility


FM10 should be able to open *any* .fm file, regardless of vintage. 
"Back-saving" from FM10 in a form that can be opened by older versions of 
FrameMaker is another matter, though...


> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 05:30:27 -0800
> From: poetessintexas at yahoo.com
> Subject: FM 10 Backward Compatibility
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> 
> I would like to know what the backward file compatibility of Frame10 is.  
> What is the oldest rev of FrameMaker whose files Frame10
can open natively, without the need for an intermediate conversion to MIF?
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RE: FrameMaker 8 in Windows 7

[Bernard Aschwanden (Publishing Smarter)]

To add to this, I run 8, 9, and 10 on a single machine. The only tough thing 
for me is double clicking a newer file if my default is
set to open with an older version. However, Win7 does a nice job of letting me 
quickly choose my default application.

For anyone working with v10 of FrameMaker, check your configuration as dialogs 
can be turned off. That is, if you open an older file
you may no longer get a message that it was created in FMv9, 8, 7 or whatever. 
So now you open, edit, save. The file is v10 and can
only be opened in it. You can still opt to File  Save As and choose FM9 though.

Hope that helps.

Bernard




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-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Syed Zaeem Hosain
(syed.hos...@aeris.net)
Sent: January-26-11 17:11
To: VLM TechSubs; Framers
Subject: RE: FrameMaker 8 in Windows 7

Works just fine!

I have used FM 8 and 9 on a Windows 7 (64-bit) system and I would expect them 
to work with Windows 7 (32-bit) too.

Z

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Subject: FrameMaker 8 in Windows 7


I have this feeling that my question has been covered fairly recently, but I've 
been away and have a big backlog of messages. Since
the question is brief (I think), I'll ask it anyway ... please accept my 
apology for any duplication. 

My question is this: Does FM8 run well under Win7?

Thanks,
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RE: Structured FM and DITA

[Bernard Aschwanden (Publishing Smarter)]

I've got a paper and some sample docs to get you started. A bit of a DITA 
backgrounder is available in a DITA primer. I also have
sample chapters from my FrameMaker book that walks you through using FM and 
DITA. Start here:
http://www.publishingsmarter.com/resources/books-and-articles

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Sent: January-26-11 16:36
To: Framers
Subject: Structured FM and DITA

Hi everyone,
 
Thinking here about moving from unstructured FM to structured, and I realize
that I don't know what DITA even is, how it is related to structured FM,
etc. I would be grateful for pointers in the direction of good, introductory
reading in these topics, particularly DITA. Does not have to be
Frame-specific, I'm interested in understanding a bit about the whole
concept and mechanism.
 
Thank you kindly,
Elchanan
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FrameMaker 8 in Windows 7

[Bernard Aschwanden (Publishing Smarter)]

To add to this, I run 8, 9, and 10 on a single machine. The only tough thing 
for me is double clicking a newer file if my default is
set to open with an older version. However, Win7 does a nice job of letting me 
quickly choose my default application.

For anyone working with v10 of FrameMaker, check your configuration as dialogs 
can be turned off. That is, if you open an older file
you may no longer get a message that it was created in FMv9, 8, 7 or whatever. 
So now you open, edit, save. The file is v10 and can
only be opened in it. You can still opt to File > Save As and choose FM9 though.

Hope that helps.

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Syed Zaeem Hosain
(Syed.Hosain at aeris.net)
Sent: January-26-11 17:11
To: VLM TechSubs; Framers
Subject: RE: FrameMaker 8 in Windows 7

Works just fine!

I have used FM 8 and 9 on a Windows 7 (64-bit) system and I would expect them 
to work with Windows 7 (32-bit) too.

Z

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Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 10:01 AM
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Subject: FrameMaker 8 in Windows 7


I have this feeling that my question has been covered fairly recently, but I've 
been away and have a big backlog of messages. Since
the question is brief (I think), I'll ask it anyway ... please accept my 
apology for any duplication. 

My question is this: Does FM8 run well under Win7?

Thanks,
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Structured FM and DITA

[Bernard Aschwanden (Publishing Smarter)]

I've got a paper and some sample docs to get you started. A bit of a DITA 
backgrounder is available in a DITA primer. I also have
sample chapters from my FrameMaker book that walks you through using FM and 
DITA. Start here:
http://www.publishingsmarter.com/resources/books-and-articles

Hope that this helps. Please let me know how it works out for you.

Bernard




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Sent: January-26-11 16:36
To: Framers
Subject: Structured FM and DITA

Hi everyone,

Thinking here about moving from unstructured FM to structured, and I realize
that I don't know what DITA even is, how it is related to structured FM,
etc. I would be grateful for pointers in the direction of good, introductory
reading in these topics, particularly DITA. Does not have to be
Frame-specific, I'm interested in understanding a bit about the whole
concept and mechanism.

Thank you kindly,
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RE: Searching for text that appears as a cross-reference

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In FrameMaker 10 you can find text in xrefs. That is, if you have a link that 
contains words you put into the search they will show
up in the xref.

If I have a document that only contains this (and markup is just to make it 
easier to get the idea):

BodyRelated info/Body
xrefGlobal Warming/xref


Now I search for Warming. The result will highlight the entire xref content, 
but it does find this information.

Hope that helps a bit. It's a consideration that was built into the new release.

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Roman Banks
Sent: January-22-11 17:14
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: FM: Searching for text that appears as a cross-reference

Hi folks,

As far as I know, Framemaker does not provide a 'conventional' functionality 
for 
searching for text enclosed in cross-references. Is there a workaround for this 
limitation? Of course, it is possible to create a PDF file and search for the 
relevant text strings there, but there must be another way to overcome this 
problem, without using alternative file formats. Any ideas?

Thank you in advance!
Roman



  
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Searching for text that appears as a cross-reference

[Bernard Aschwanden (Publishing Smarter)]

In FrameMaker 10 you can find text in xrefs. That is, if you have a link that 
contains words you put into the search they will show
up in the xref.

If I have a document that only contains this (and markup is just to make it 
easier to get the idea):

Related info
Global Warming


Now I search for Warming. The result will highlight the entire xref content, 
but it does find this information.

Hope that helps a bit. It's a consideration that was built into the new release.

Bernard




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From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Roman Banks
Sent: January-22-11 17:14
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: FM: Searching for text that appears as a cross-reference

Hi folks,

As far as I know, Framemaker does not provide a 'conventional' functionality 
for 
searching for text enclosed in cross-references. Is there a workaround for this 
limitation? Of course, it is possible to create a PDF file and search for the 
relevant text strings there, but there must be another way to overcome this 
problem, without using alternative file formats. Any ideas?

Thank you in advance!
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FrameMaker 10 Officially Demonstrated At tekom Conference

[Bernard Aschwanden (Publishing Smarter)]

Hi all,

At the tekom conference this past week RJ Jacquez of Adobe was providing some 
sneak peeks at the officially titled FrameMaker 10.

While I can't say much about specifics that were on display there are updates 
to DITA, a lot of greater interface enhancements, and
even a menu item titled S1000D in the application.

More to follow as we begin to get official approval on what can be said by the 
beta testers.

For more information on this, please keep an eye on RJ's Twitter account 
(@rjacquez) and Blog (www.rjacquez.com) for more
information.

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Hi all,

At the tekom conference this past week RJ Jacquez of Adobe was providing some 
sneak peeks at the officially titled "FrameMaker 10".

While I can't say much about specifics that were on display there are updates 
to DITA, a lot of greater interface enhancements, and
even a menu item titled S1000D in the application.

More to follow as we begin to get official approval on what can be said by the 
beta testers.

For more information on this, please keep an eye on RJ's Twitter account 
(@rjacquez) and Blog (www.rjacquez.com) for more
information.

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Free FrameMaker and DITA webinar

[Bernard Aschwanden (Publishing Smarter)]

Hi to all:

If you find yourself considering DITA and FrameMaker and you have a FrameMaker 
legacy template you want to use, there are often
questions about migrating to the DITA world. To that end, I'm going to deliver 
a webinar for Adobe late in October. I want to extend
an invitation to everyone on the Framer's and the FrameMaker-DITA lists to join 
us.

The workshop details, including a link, are below. It is geared towards people 
who have a basic idea of what an EDD is and does, but
you don't need to be overly technical to get it. If you want to figure out 
how to customize DITA and FrameMaker to work with your
template, this is a good starting point for you. I have a lot of clients who 
run into this situation, and there are many little
things that can be done to get started.

So, please feel free to join me in this Adobe supported presentation. If you 
belong to other groups that can benefit from this,
please feel free to forward this information as well.

Bernard Aschwanden
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Webinar Title: Customizing Adobe FrameMaker for DITA Authoring

Date: Thursday, October 21, 2010
Time: 1:00 PM - 2:00 PM EST
  10:00 AM - 11:00 AM PST

Description: When using Adobe FrameMaker to publish DITA, many questions exist 
about customization of the template. In this webinar,
Adobe Partner Bernard Aschwanden of www.publishingsmarter.com will demonstrate 
how to customize the workspace to take advantage of
your own existing templates.  

Learn:

How your content can be published, as DITA, using existing templates
How to apply headings, bullets and numbers, table formats, custom 
cross-reference tags and more
Best practices related to the use of your templates with DITA content
Tips and tricks to ensure your content converts cleanly to structure

Attend this free event and see how you can reduce the time, effort and cost 
associated with conversion and publishing of legacy
files if you are planning to work with DITA.

URL: 
http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/event/index.cfm?event=detailid=1691163loc=en_us

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[Bernard Aschwanden (Publishing Smarter)]

Hi to all:

If you find yourself considering DITA and FrameMaker and you have a FrameMaker 
legacy template you want to use, there are often
questions about migrating to the DITA world. To that end, I'm going to deliver 
a webinar for Adobe late in October. I want to extend
an invitation to everyone on the Framer's and the FrameMaker-DITA lists to join 
us.

The workshop details, including a link, are below. It is geared towards people 
who have a basic idea of what an EDD is and does, but
you don't need to be overly technical to "get it". If you want to figure out 
how to customize DITA and FrameMaker to work with your
template, this is a good starting point for you. I have a lot of clients who 
run into this situation, and there are many little
things that can be done to get started.

So, please feel free to join me in this Adobe supported presentation. If you 
belong to other groups that can benefit from this,
please feel free to forward this information as well.

Bernard Aschwanden
Publishing Smarter
www.publishingsmarter.com

Write Less. Write Better.



Webinar Title: Customizing Adobe FrameMaker for DITA Authoring

Date: Thursday, October 21, 2010
Time: 1:00 PM - 2:00 PM EST
  10:00 AM - 11:00 AM PST

Description: When using Adobe FrameMaker to publish DITA, many questions exist 
about customization of the template. In this webinar,
Adobe Partner Bernard Aschwanden of www.publishingsmarter.com will demonstrate 
how to customize the workspace to take advantage of
your own existing templates.  

Learn:

How your content can be published, as DITA, using existing templates
How to apply headings, bullets and numbers, table formats, custom 
cross-reference tags and more
Best practices related to the use of your templates with DITA content
Tips and tricks to ensure your content converts cleanly to structure

Attend this free event and see how you can reduce the time, effort and cost 
associated with conversion and publishing of legacy
files if you are planning to work with DITA.

URL: 
http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/event/index.cfm?event=detail=1691163=en_us

RE: Imported Word docs - table heading row of long tables is not repeated for further pages of the table

[Bernard Aschwanden (Publishing Smarter)]

Having had to do this task and stare at a screen for hours, I found the price 
to be totally fair. Basically if it saves me even an
hour a month then that's 12 per year. So, for $5/hour I get a tool that does it 
all in seconds. Plus I own the tool. So the next
year it's free. Or I may decide that I only paid $2.50/hour. Regardless, I'd 
like to think my time is worth more than $5/hour.

Factor in sanity saved and you come out way ahead. Yup, I pay $60 for o-n-e 
utility (boy that takes time to type ;) and then I make
it back by using the saved time to either do billable work, other work, or to 
just enjoy sitting in my backyard for an extra hour.

Bernard


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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Avraham Makeler
Sent: July-02-10 01:29
To: Baruch Brodersen
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Imported Word docs - table heading row of long tables is not 
repeated for further pages of the table

 Rick Quattro's Table Cleaner plugin

Thought I would sleep on this before responding... well here goes...

$60 for just o-n-e utility...? $60 is the price of many complete
applications -- ok not an MS app or an Adobe app, but an app. I have written
a number of complete Word VBA programs and until now it never occured to me
to ask more than about $20. Oh well ... Supply  Demand... if it sells... it
sells...

avraham





On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Baruch Brodersen bar...@technitext.comwrote:

 Hi Avi,
 Rick Quattro's Table Cleaner plugin makes short work of this. Simply select
 the row or rows you want to repeat, and choose Table  Convert Select Rows 
 Body to heading Rows.
 Short of that, you might try a) applying a table format to the imported
 table, and b) add a header row (Table  Add Rows or Columns  Add a Header a
 Header Row), c) copy and paste the original cells into that, then delete the
 original row.

 --
 B a r u c h   B r o d e r s e n
 T e c h n i t e x t   D o c u m e n t a t i o n
 8 7 7  7 2 1  6 9 8 8


  On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 2:02 PM, Avraham Makeler amake...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  Hi all,
 
RE:  Imported Word docs - table heading row of long tables is not
  repeated for further pages of the table
 
  Using: FM 7.2.
  Importing from: Word 2003



  snip/





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Imported Word docs - table heading row of long tables is not repeated for further pages of the table

[Bernard Aschwanden (Publishing Smarter)]

Having had to do this task and stare at a screen for hours, I found the price 
to be totally fair. Basically if it saves me even an
hour a month then that's 12 per year. So, for $5/hour I get a tool that does it 
all in seconds. Plus I own the tool. So the next
year it's free. Or I may decide that I only paid $2.50/hour. Regardless, I'd 
like to think my time is worth more than $5/hour.

Factor in sanity saved and you come out way ahead. Yup, I pay $60 for o-n-e 
utility (boy that takes time to type ;) and then I make
it back by using the saved time to either do billable work, other work, or to 
just enjoy sitting in my backyard for an extra hour.

Bernard


-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Avraham Makeler
Sent: July-02-10 01:29
To: Baruch Brodersen
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Imported Word docs - table heading row of long tables is not 
repeated for further pages of the table

>> Rick Quattro's Table Cleaner plugin

Thought I would sleep on this before responding... well here goes...

$60 for just o-n-e utility...? $60 is the price of many complete
applications -- ok not an MS app or an Adobe app, but an app. I have written
a number of complete Word VBA programs and until now it never occured to me
to ask more than about $20. Oh well ... Supply & Demand... if it sells... it
sells...

avraham





On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Baruch Brodersen wrote:

> Hi Avi,
> Rick Quattro's Table Cleaner plugin makes short work of this. Simply select
> the row or rows you want to repeat, and choose Table > Convert Select Rows >
> Body to heading Rows.
> Short of that, you might try a) applying a table format to the imported
> table, and b) add a header row (Table > Add Rows or Columns > Add a Header a
> Header Row), c) copy and paste the original cells into that, then delete the
> original row.
>
> --
> B a r u c h   B r o d e r s e n
> T e c h n i t e x t   D o c u m e n t a t i o n
> 8 7 7  7 2 1  6 9 8 8
>
>
>>  On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 2:02 PM, Avraham Makeler 
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Hi all,
>> >
>> >   RE:  Imported Word docs - table heading row of long tables is not
>> > repeated for further pages of the table
>> >
>> > Using: FM 7.2.
>> > Importing from: Word 2003
>>
>
>
>>  
>>
>>
>>


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RE: Image as part of table style?

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You can consider setting up a single row table with the first cell containing a 
paragraph called, for example, BookIcon with a frame
above. That frame has your image. Apply the paragraph tags to the table, and 
THEN open the tbl designer and click Update All.

That action takes a snapshot of the table. So, set up a perfect table, with the 
right name, with all the right paragraph tags in a
single head/body/footer row, then do one more Update All in the Table Designer. 
Then insert the table and see if it works.

The frame above gives you the icon, the rest is part of the table design. Let 
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Subject: Image as part of table style?

A co-worker wants to create a table style that is two columns, one row,
no visible borders. In the narrower left column is to be an icon of a
book. In the right column will be text that explains that a topic is
covered on page ___ of the manual. The idea is that the icon indicates
that reader will have to go to the manual to find more detailed
information.

 

So he called me and asked me how to create such a table. I cannot for
the life of me figure out how to create a table that has the book icon
built in. Is it even possible to do this? I've done tables like this
using text, but not images. The image we want to use is a .png file.

 

We're using Framemaker 7.2. Any help/guidance is appreciated. Thanks!

 

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Drake Software Tax Development

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RE: Image as part of table style?

[Bernard Aschwanden (Publishing Smarter)]

The use of the reference page is there, but in my quick email I implied it 
rather than specified it.

Yes, you are correct. On the reference page setup a frame with your icon in it. 
Name it, for example, BookIconFrame. Then go with
the rest of the process below, including the part where you create a paragraph 
tag for BookIcon which references the BookIconFrame.

That may help clear it up.

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To: Bernard Aschwanden (Publishing Smarter)
Cc: Nina Rogers; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Image as part of table style?

I thought you did this kind of thing on the reference page...

On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 11:37 AM, Bernard Aschwanden (Publishing
Smarter) bern...@publishingsmarter.com wrote:
 You can consider setting up a single row table with the first cell containing 
 a paragraph called, for example, BookIcon with a
frame
 above. That frame has your image. Apply the paragraph tags to the table, and 
 THEN open the tbl designer and click Update All.

 That action takes a snapshot of the table. So, set up a perfect table, with 
 the right name, with all the right paragraph tags in a
 single head/body/footer row, then do one more Update All in the Table 
 Designer. Then insert the table and see if it works.

 The frame above gives you the icon, the rest is part of the table design. Let 
 me know if you need more details.

 Bernard




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Image as part of table style?

[Bernard Aschwanden (Publishing Smarter)]

You can consider setting up a single row table with the first cell containing a 
paragraph called, for example, BookIcon with a frame
above. That frame has your image. Apply the paragraph tags to the table, and 
THEN open the tbl designer and click Update All.

That action takes a snapshot of the table. So, set up a perfect table, with the 
right name, with all the right paragraph tags in a
single head/body/footer row, then do one more Update All in the Table Designer. 
Then insert the table and see if it works.

The frame above gives you the icon, the rest is part of the table design. Let 
me know if you need more details.

Bernard




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Subject: Image as part of table style?

A co-worker wants to create a table style that is two columns, one row,
no visible borders. In the narrower left column is to be an icon of a
book. In the right column will be text that explains that a topic is
covered on page ___ of the manual. The idea is that the icon indicates
that reader will have to go to the manual to find more detailed
information.



So he called me and asked me how to create such a table. I cannot for
the life of me figure out how to create a table that has the book icon
"built in." Is it even possible to do this? I've done tables like this
using text, but not images. The image we want to use is a .png file.



We're using Framemaker 7.2. Any help/guidance is appreciated. Thanks!



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RE: FrameMaker 9 Repeatable Hard Crash

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One reason to import into the current document is to reset overrides. For 
example, if writers are known to open the para designer
and create an override, then click Apply To Selection, this is a way to reset 
the formats. Another reason might be that content from
an older template (but with matching names) has been imported to the current 
doc and it needs to be reset as well.

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Does the same in XP/FM9p250 unstructured, although I found that ending
one of the FM processes in Task Manager zapped the second instance as
well, and CPU usage died down immediately.

However, one has to ask why one would want to import formats from
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FrameMaker 9 Repeatable Hard Crash

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One reason to import into the current document is to reset overrides. For 
example, if writers are known to open the para designer
and create an override, then click Apply To Selection, this is a way to reset 
the formats. Another reason might be that content from
an older template (but with matching names) has been imported to the current 
doc and it needs to be reset as well.

Bernard



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Current into Current.

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RE: FrameMaker 9 Repeatable Hard Crash

[Bernard Aschwanden (Publishing Smarter)]

FM9.0p237 on Windows 7 and I get the same result. If I click outside the table 
(not in the title, not in the body of it) and try to
import, it works fine.

The process I followed was to launch FM, then file  new  document  portrait. 
File  Save As to my desktop as _DELETEME.fm and
then inserted a table. Mouse stayed in the default location and I imported. 
Crash. Then I reopened, tried the import and it worked.
Core difference? I was in the default flow, at the very beginning of the 
document, before the table anchor.

Bernard





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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Oran Petersen
Sent: May-19-10 01:17
To: FrameMaker List
Subject: FrameMaker 9 Repeatable Hard Crash



We have discovered a repeatable bug causing a hard crash in FrameMaker 9. By 
hard crash I mean Frame locks up, goes sort of white
screen, starts eating up the CPU, and requires Task Manager to break out, 
sometimes after multiple attempts. It will drive the CPU
to 100 percent, effectively disabling the machine. Frame is fully patched p250. 



To demonstrate, just open a new file, insert a default table, such as Format A, 
and Import Formats Current. You will go down hard.
This happens on any Windows version, XP, or 7, that we have been able to test. 
It happens on all machines tested. 



I have also discovered that if you change the table designer settings to No 
Title the issue goes away. If you add a title to an
existing table and import formats current you crash. 



More interesting facts: The task manager shows FrameMaker twice, even though 
only one has been launched. You must actually terminate
both entries in task manager to break out. Then it takes a bit for the CPU 
usage to calm down. It acts like Frame does not know how
to handle Current and is trying to launch Frame a 2nd time and freezing in 
the processes.

If you import from a different file (not current) you do not crash. 

Of course we can avoid the crash by not importing current. But a more insidious 
side of this is that we are getting random instant
crashes while performing operations on large book files that are causing 
serious reliability and usability issues with our attempted
upgrade to Frame 9. Researching the issue is taking time that we do not have. 
So far it looks like it is files with tables that are
triggering these random crashes as well. If we cannot reliably operate on our 
books we will not be able to upgrade to Frame 9. We do
thousands of processes a year and random crashes would be a nightmare. 

We are using structured files, but unstructured ones have the same issue. 

Is anyone else experiencing these issues, or does anyone have any clues as how 
to prevent them? 

Thanks 

Oran

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RE: FrameMaker 9 Repeatable Hard Crash

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If it helps, I'm in an unstructured doc, but running structured FM9. I don't 
know if that makes the difference.

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To: Oran Petersen
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Subject: Re: FrameMaker 9 Repeatable Hard Crash

Followed your directions (3 times in an unstructured doc from different
templates) and can't get it to happen on W7.
Tried it with both the default titled Format A and untitled.

What other add-ins are on your system?

Any scripts related to tables or new documents?

Art

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On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 1:17 AM, Oran Petersen orand...@comcast.net wrote:



 We have discovered a repeatable bug causing a hard crash in FrameMaker 9.
 By hard crash I mean Frame locks up, goes sort of white screen, starts
 eating up the CPU, and requires Task Manager to break out, sometimes after
 multiple attempts. It will drive the CPU to 100 percent, effectively
 disabling the machine. Frame is fully patched p250.



 To demonstrate, just open a new file, insert a default table, such as
 Format A, and Import Formats Current. You will go down hard. This happens on
 any Windows version, XP, or 7, that we have been able to test. It happens on
 all machines tested.



 I have also discovered that if you change the table designer settings to
 No Title the issue goes away. If you add a title to an existing table and
 import formats current you crash.



 More interesting facts: The task manager shows FrameMaker twice, even
 though only one has been launched. You must actually terminate both entries
 in task manager to break out. Then it takes a bit for the CPU usage to calm
 down. It acts like Frame does not know how to handle Current and is trying
 to launch Frame a 2nd time and freezing in the processes.



 If you import from a different file (not current) you do not crash.



 Of course we can avoid the crash by not importing current. But a more
 insidious side of this is that we are getting random instant crashes while
 performing operations on large book files that are causing serious
 reliability and usability issues with our attempted upgrade to Frame 9.
 Researching the issue is taking time that we do not have. So far it looks
 like it is files with tables that are triggering these random crashes as
 well. If we cannot reliably operate on our books we will not be able to
 upgrade to Frame 9. We do thousands of processes a year and random crashes
 would be a nightmare.

 We are using structured files, but unstructured ones have the same issue.



 Is anyone else experiencing these issues, or does anyone have any clues as
 how to prevent them?

 Thanks

 Oran
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FrameMaker 9 Repeatable Hard Crash

[Bernard Aschwanden (Publishing Smarter)]

FM9.0p237 on Windows 7 and I get the same result. If I click outside the table 
(not in the title, not in the body of it) and try to
import, it works fine.

The process I followed was to launch FM, then file > new > document > portrait. 
File > Save As to my desktop as _DELETEME.fm and
then inserted a table. Mouse stayed in the default location and I imported. 
Crash. Then I reopened, tried the import and it worked.
Core difference? I was in the default flow, at the very beginning of the 
document, before the table anchor.

Bernard





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From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Oran Petersen
Sent: May-19-10 01:17
To: FrameMaker List
Subject: FrameMaker 9 Repeatable Hard Crash



We have discovered a repeatable bug causing a hard crash in FrameMaker 9. By 
hard crash I mean Frame locks up, goes sort of "white
screen", starts eating up the CPU, and requires Task Manager to break out, 
sometimes after multiple attempts. It will drive the CPU
to 100 percent, effectively disabling the machine. Frame is fully patched p250. 



To demonstrate, just open a new file, insert a default table, such as Format A, 
and Import Formats Current. You will go down hard.
This happens on any Windows version, XP, or 7, that we have been able to test. 
It happens on all machines tested. 



I have also discovered that if you change the table designer settings to "No 
Title" the issue goes away. If you add a title to an
existing table and import formats current you crash. 



More interesting facts: The task manager shows FrameMaker twice, even though 
only one has been launched. You must actually terminate
both entries in task manager to break out. Then it takes a bit for the CPU 
usage to calm down. It acts like Frame does not know how
to handle "Current" and is trying to launch Frame a 2nd time and freezing in 
the processes.

If you import from a different file (not current) you do not crash. 

Of course we can avoid the crash by not importing current. But a more insidious 
side of this is that we are getting random instant
crashes while performing operations on large book files that are causing 
serious reliability and usability issues with our attempted
upgrade to Frame 9. Researching the issue is taking time that we do not have. 
So far it looks like it is files with tables that are
triggering these random crashes as well. If we cannot reliably operate on our 
books we will not be able to upgrade to Frame 9. We do
thousands of processes a year and random crashes would be a nightmare. 

We are using structured files, but unstructured ones have the same issue. 

Is anyone else experiencing these issues, or does anyone have any clues as how 
to prevent them? 

Thanks 

Oran

FrameMaker 9 Repeatable Hard Crash

[Bernard Aschwanden (Publishing Smarter)]

If it helps, I'm in an unstructured doc, but running structured FM9. I don't 
know if that makes the difference.

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From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Art Campbell
Sent: May-19-10 11:22
To: Oran Petersen
Cc: FrameMaker List
Subject: Re: FrameMaker 9 Repeatable Hard Crash

Followed your directions (3 times in an unstructured doc from different
templates) and can't get it to happen on W7.
Tried it with both the default titled Format A and untitled.

What other add-ins are on your system?

Any scripts related to tables or new documents?

Art

Art Campbell
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redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
 No disclaimers apply.
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On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 1:17 AM, Oran Petersen  wrote:

>
>
> We have discovered a repeatable bug causing a hard crash in FrameMaker 9.
> By hard crash I mean Frame locks up, goes sort of "white screen", starts
> eating up the CPU, and requires Task Manager to break out, sometimes after
> multiple attempts. It will drive the CPU to 100 percent, effectively
> disabling the machine. Frame is fully patched p250.
>
>
>
> To demonstrate, just open a new file, insert a default table, such as
> Format A, and Import Formats Current. You will go down hard. This happens on
> any Windows version, XP, or 7, that we have been able to test. It happens on
> all machines tested.
>
>
>
> I have also discovered that if you change the table designer settings to
> "No Title" the issue goes away. If you add a title to an existing table and
> import formats current you crash.
>
>
>
> More interesting facts: The task manager shows FrameMaker twice, even
> though only one has been launched. You must actually terminate both entries
> in task manager to break out. Then it takes a bit for the CPU usage to calm
> down. It acts like Frame does not know how to handle "Current" and is trying
> to launch Frame a 2nd time and freezing in the processes.
>
>
>
> If you import from a different file (not current) you do not crash.
>
>
>
> Of course we can avoid the crash by not importing current. But a more
> insidious side of this is that we are getting random instant crashes while
> performing operations on large book files that are causing serious
> reliability and usability issues with our attempted upgrade to Frame 9.
> Researching the issue is taking time that we do not have. So far it looks
> like it is files with tables that are triggering these random crashes as
> well. If we cannot reliably operate on our books we will not be able to
> upgrade to Frame 9. We do thousands of processes a year and random crashes
> would be a nightmare.
>
> We are using structured files, but unstructured ones have the same issue.
>
>
>
> Is anyone else experiencing these issues, or does anyone have any clues as
> how to prevent them?
>
> Thanks
>
> Oran
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RE: Structuring documents (was RE: Adobe's New Corporate Strategies)

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Further to Matt's comments, I do conversion for clients, but usually 1000's of 
pages at a time, and sometimes it's Word, Frame, or
sloppy Frame source content. In almost all cases we look for patterns. If they 
can be id'd then we are sitting pretty. Regardless of
how good or bad the content is, if we can infer a structure (for example, even 
though Ctrl+b is used, if the content is in a step
then it will be a uicontrol and if in a figure title it is a wintitle) then 
there is a lot of good to come of it.

That's the discussion with clients part. I can set up a demo of the entire 
conversion of legacy content in under a few hours. Then I
show the results to a client. It has to be fast as I do this type of demo for 
free. This means it's my time if there is too much
manual process.

So, yes, I can say it's a simple, painless, and quick process to transition BUT 
that assumes I'm starting with good content.

It's also simple, painless, and quick to book a flight from my hometown to 
Dallas (which is where I'm headed as I type this
response) because the infrastructure is in place. If however there wasn't a 
collection of airlines with flights to and from the
cities, tools like Travelocity, AirCanada.com, United.com, and others then I 
have to pick up the phone. Call my travel agent. Leave
a voice mail, Wait for a call back, compare pricing and departure times, dates 
and durations, and so many other options. That's
work.

Same with conversion. Once a system is in place and it works well then more and 
more people can take advantage of the benefits of
structure. And, if it doesn't work, or doesn't add value, then I say don't do 
it. Sometimes a third-party demo of what CAN be done
makes it pretty clear that it should be done. Other times it shows you that 
it's a bad idea.

Ultimately it really is a choice to make between net costs and headaches versus 
net benefits.

And, as Matt mentioned, I'm also in Dallas, and also at the STC booth. Feel 
free to drop in if you are on the list and we Matt, Tom,
or I can help out, discuss ideas, and generally outline ideas that may be of 
use to anyone on the list looking to migrate to
structure.

BTW, with a system in place we converted 5,000 pages of legacy content that was 
in good shape to DITA in under a day. That included
splitting the files up into topics, converting task/concept/reference 
correctly, resolving all cross references between topics,
validating files, building XML, checking it into a CMS, and publishing to both 
PDF and HTML. Of course, another client with 500
pages of crap content took over a week to achieve half of those results.

Start with quality, life/job is easier.

Bernard




Bernard Aschwanden
Publishing Smarter
www.publishingsmarter.com

Write Less. Write Better.



-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Matt Sullivan
Sent: April-29-10 16:24
To: 'Joseph Lorenzini'; 'FrameMaker Forum'
Subject: RE: Structuring documents (was RE: Adobe's New Corporate Strategies)

 
from earlier post
While there's structured framemaker, dita, and a host of third party plugins
can anyone really say its a simple, painless, and quick process to
transition from unstructured framemaker to either structured or dita? 

Sincerely,
Joseph Lorenzini
___
/from earlier post

Hi Joseph,

I generally teach my students in a hands-on environment to convert legacy
documents to XML in under 2 hours, so I do see the process as painless and
quick.

I'll be in Dallas at the Adobe booth next week for the STC Summit if you'd
like a quick runthrough.

Tom Aldous will also be there, and he's actually scheduled to a 15 minute
runthrough of document conversion at the Adobe booth this coming  Monday
from 1:15-1:30

I have our complete booth schedule, including booth demos and Adobe
presentations schedule available in PDF by request or at
http://blogs.roundpeg.com/2010/04/adobe-stc-summit/

Of course the success of the conversion depends upon the extent to which the
content adheres to a standard. For example, if your Word docs all use
Normal+ for formatting, or if your FM docs are riddled with *Body, then no
logic can be applied and thus, no easy conversion exists.

So if your authors worked with style sheets, the supplied conversion tools
(FM conversion tables) are well-worth the effort and can convert any number
of documents to fairly valid XML with little relative effort. 

If they didn't, I know of no tool, for FM or any other editor, that will
analyze and structure documents using ad hoc formatting.


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RE: Structuring documents (was RE: Adobe's New Corporate Strategies)

[Bernard Aschwanden (Publishing Smarter)]

The we in this case is a company we. So it was me. And one part time resource 
who did a few hours of work on things I didn't want
to work with. A lot of review or fixes to content the client had flagged as a 
possible concern. In this specific case the content
was a collection of references for command line info, but it had a pattern. 
Once we id'd it all and knew what went where it was
mostly painless. And the we has years and years of experience on all this. 
I've worked with Frame since 1992 and with structured
FrameMaker (FrameBuilder at the time) since then as well.

Writers who simply need to use the DITA stuff, not convert it, set it up, 
develop templates, and lots more can learn the basics
pretty quickly. There are good and bad to go with it, but all in all it's not a 
bad system. Once you know what you can (and cannot)
do it's pretty smooth.

Bernard


-Original Message-
From: Alison Craig [mailto:alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com] 
Sent: April-30-10 13:52
To: Bernard Aschwanden (Publishing Smarter); 'Matt Sullivan'; 'Joseph 
Lorenzini'; 'FrameMaker Forum'
Subject: RE: Structuring documents (was RE: Adobe's New Corporate Strategies)


 BTW, with a system in place we converted 5,000 pages of legacy content that 
 was in good shape to DITA in under a day.

Just one question, who is we, meaning how many and what experience did all 
the we have with XML, DITA and Frame?

As a lone writer with no XML, DITA or structured Frame experience, this is an 
extremely relevant question. And my own BTW is, I'm
presuming that *my* content is good shape ;-))). At the very least, I know it 
backwards and forwards.

Alison

 
Alison Craig, Technical Writer
Ultrasonix Medical Corporation
Tel: (604) 279-8550, ext 127
E-mail: alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com
 
 
-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Bernard Aschwanden 
(Publishing
Smarter)
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 10:41 AM
To: 'Matt Sullivan'; 'Joseph Lorenzini'; 'FrameMaker Forum'
Subject: RE: Structuring documents (was RE: Adobe's New Corporate Strategies)

Further to Matt's comments, I do conversion for clients, but usually 1000's of 
pages at a time, and sometimes it's Word, Frame, or
sloppy Frame source content. In almost all cases we look for patterns. If they 
can be id'd then we are sitting pretty. Regardless of
how good or bad the content is, if we can infer a structure (for example, even 
though Ctrl+b is used, if the content is in a step
then it will be a uicontrol and if in a figure title it is a wintitle) then 
there is a lot of good to come of it.

That's the discussion with clients part. I can set up a demo of the entire 
conversion of legacy content in under a few hours. Then I
show the results to a client. It has to be fast as I do this type of demo for 
free. This means it's my time if there is too much
manual process.

So, yes, I can say it's a simple, painless, and quick process to transition BUT 
that assumes I'm starting with good content.

It's also simple, painless, and quick to book a flight from my hometown to 
Dallas (which is where I'm headed as I type this
response) because the infrastructure is in place. If however there wasn't a 
collection of airlines with flights to and from the
cities, tools like Travelocity, AirCanada.com, United.com, and others then I 
have to pick up the phone. Call my travel agent. Leave
a voice mail, Wait for a call back, compare pricing and departure times, dates 
and durations, and so many other options. That's
work.

Same with conversion. Once a system is in place and it works well then more and 
more people can take advantage of the benefits of
structure. And, if it doesn't work, or doesn't add value, then I say don't do 
it. Sometimes a third-party demo of what CAN be done
makes it pretty clear that it should be done. Other times it shows you that 
it's a bad idea.

Ultimately it really is a choice to make between net costs and headaches versus 
net benefits.

And, as Matt mentioned, I'm also in Dallas, and also at the STC booth. Feel 
free to drop in if you are on the list and we Matt, Tom,
or I can help out, discuss ideas, and generally outline ideas that may be of 
use to anyone on the list looking to migrate to
structure.

BTW, with a system in place we converted 5,000 pages of legacy content that was 
in good shape to DITA in under a day. That included
splitting the files up into topics, converting task/concept/reference 
correctly, resolving all cross references between topics,
validating files, building XML, checking it into a CMS, and publishing to both 
PDF and HTML. Of course, another client with 500
pages of crap content took over a week to achieve half of those results.

Start with quality, life/job is easier.

Bernard




Bernard Aschwanden
Publishing Smarter
www.publishingsmarter.com

Write Less. Write Better.



-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers

RE: Structuring documents (was RE: Adobe's New Corporate Strategies)

[Bernard Aschwanden (Publishing Smarter)]

One quick note...

The EDD/DTD, many of the XSL tools for output (to PDF/HTML/Help) and training 
on using the tools (Frame) for DITA are mostly done.
There is an EDD and a default environment included in FrameMaker (and a lot of 
other DITA specific tools) already. The XSL is
included for most outputs in the toolkit, but you likely have to tweak it. 
WebWorks supports DITA as a source to create
PDF/HTML/Help using a lot of ideas you already have in your Frame or Word 
workflows. So does Mif2go, so does Robohelp. Some support
is already in place. Training is widely available and I've mentioned in other 
postings (I think) that you can even try out the book
I have for free by downloading the first five chapters from my site.

I would agree on your points overall though. As tools continue to develop I 
think the overall workflow will get easier. Since I can
work with the DITA stuff that Adobe includes I can do a demo for a client in 
days or less, not weeks. I can convert large volumes
in weeks, or months, not months or years. However, mapping current styles, and 
the update of content to meet the new bucket system
is part of the process and THAT is where I think the effort should be. 
Especially the part that teaches the new buckets. That's
where the return can come from as well.

The other problem with tools like Dreamweaver/FrontPage (opinion) was the 
masses who then felt oh, I can create a webpage, it's
easy and decided to do so. There is a lot of sloppy code still out there and a 
lot of overhead in tools like IE, Firefox, Chrome,
and others to deal with that.

Every system has good/bad, and each will have people who argue for/against 
them. I think the best bet is to get as much background
as you can, evaluate options, ask for free stuff (demo, trial versions) and see 
what does or does not work.

As this is on the Framers list I think most of us agree that Frame is a better 
tool for tech comm than Word, but I think that we can
also generally agree that, if it is used well, with best practices, Word can do 
a decent amount of things. It's a matter of
education, experience, best practice, workflow, and overall management of all 
the content you need to work with. Put it all together
and you can have a decent system. The same with/without DITA/structure. It may 
or may not work for all, but if you do plan to use
it, do the homework and use it correctly.

Hope that helps. Boy, this has been a good discussion on an interesting topic.

Bernard


-Original Message-
From: Ed [mailto:hamonwr...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: April-30-10 16:49
To: 'Matt Sullivan'; 'Bernard Aschwanden (Publishing Smarter)'; 'Alison Craig'; 
'FrameMaker Forum'
Subject: RE: Structuring documents (was RE: Adobe's New Corporate Strategies)

Matt-

People are asking why it's so hard to convert. My point is that for many
solo writers, it's hard to propose a conversion to management, and get
buy-in, especially when there's doc to write that's currently being
delivered just fine in their eyes.

To successfully convert unstructured content to a structure, you need:

An expert to create an EDD and/or DTD.
An expert in XSL to create output.
An expert to map your current styles to elements.
An expert to help you update your content to shoe-horn into the new XML
'buckets'.
An expert to train those who are going to be using the new tools. 

Now, that could be one person, or a team. However, it's still someone else
that needs to be paid. 

It doesn't take a team to upgrade from Word to Frame. Converting to CHM has
been mostly a one-button operation for years. If you want WebHelp, all you
need is some HTML and CSS knowledge and a copy of a HAT. Once Pagemaker came
around, it made publishing easier. Once Dreamweaver and FrontPage came
around, it made creating web pages easier. Converting to structure may never
get that easy, but it's gotta get easier than it is now.
-=Ed.

 -Original Message-
 From: Matt Sullivan [mailto:m...@grafixtraining.com]
 Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 3:42 PM
 To: 'Ed'; 'Bernard Aschwanden (Publishing Smarter)'; 'Alison Craig';
 'FrameMaker Forum'
 Subject: RE: Structuring documents (was RE: Adobe's New Corporate
Strategies)
 
 The question isn't/wasn't whether or not to structure...that decision is
 based on (among other things):
 -number of authors
 -level of reuse
 -need to enforce content model
 -need to pass content between one organizational group and another
 
 If the powers that be decide there is an ROI to structure, then that's
what
 you'll do.
 
 Once that decision is made, as with any software or format conversion,
there
 will be a conversion of legacy docs to the new format.
 
 As noted by myself, Bernard, and others, the ease of conversion to XML or
 DITA is mostly dependent on the quality of the legacy docs and their
 consistency in applying a stylesheet.
 
 If I were asked to convert docs to a format I'm not expert in, I'd expect
a
 major headache. So should someone without XML, DITA, or DTD

Structuring documents (was RE: Adobe's New Corporate Strategies)

[Bernard Aschwanden (Publishing Smarter)]

Further to Matt's comments, I do conversion for clients, but usually 1000's of 
pages at a time, and sometimes it's Word, Frame, or
sloppy Frame source content. In almost all cases we look for patterns. If they 
can be id'd then we are sitting pretty. Regardless of
how good or bad the content is, if we can infer a structure (for example, even 
though Ctrl+b is used, if the content is in a step
then it will be a  and if in a figure title it is a ) then 
there is a lot of good to come of it.

That's the discussion with clients part. I can set up a demo of the entire 
conversion of legacy content in under a few hours. Then I
show the results to a client. It has to be fast as I do this type of demo for 
free. This means it's my time if there is too much
manual process.

So, yes, I can say it's a simple, painless, and quick process to transition BUT 
that assumes I'm starting with good content.

It's also simple, painless, and quick to book a flight from my hometown to 
Dallas (which is where I'm headed as I type this
response) because the infrastructure is in place. If however there wasn't a 
collection of airlines with flights to and from the
cities, tools like Travelocity, AirCanada.com, United.com, and others then I 
have to pick up the phone. Call my travel agent. Leave
a voice mail, Wait for a call back, compare pricing and departure times, dates 
and durations, and so many other options. That's
work.

Same with conversion. Once a system is in place and it works well then more and 
more people can take advantage of the benefits of
structure. And, if it doesn't work, or doesn't add value, then I say don't do 
it. Sometimes a third-party demo of what CAN be done
makes it pretty clear that it should be done. Other times it shows you that 
it's a bad idea.

Ultimately it really is a choice to make between net costs and headaches versus 
net benefits.

And, as Matt mentioned, I'm also in Dallas, and also at the STC booth. Feel 
free to drop in if you are on the list and we Matt, Tom,
or I can help out, discuss ideas, and generally outline ideas that may be of 
use to anyone on the list looking to migrate to
structure.

BTW, with a system in place we converted 5,000 pages of legacy content that was 
in good shape to DITA in under a day. That included
splitting the files up into topics, converting task/concept/reference 
correctly, resolving all cross references between topics,
validating files, building XML, checking it into a CMS, and publishing to both 
PDF and HTML. Of course, another client with 500
pages of crap content took over a week to achieve half of those results.

Start with quality, life/job is easier.

Bernard




Bernard Aschwanden
Publishing Smarter
www.publishingsmarter.com

Write Less. Write Better.



-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Matt Sullivan
Sent: April-29-10 16:24
To: 'Joseph Lorenzini'; 'FrameMaker Forum'
Subject: RE: Structuring documents (was RE: Adobe's New Corporate Strategies)



While there's structured framemaker, dita, and a host of third party plugins
can anyone really say its a simple, painless, and quick process to
transition from unstructured framemaker to either structured or dita? 

Sincerely,
Joseph Lorenzini
___


Hi Joseph,

I generally teach my students in a hands-on environment to convert legacy
documents to XML in under 2 hours, so I do see the process as painless and
quick.

I'll be in Dallas at the Adobe booth next week for the STC Summit if you'd
like a quick runthrough.

Tom Aldous will also be there, and he's actually scheduled to a 15 minute
runthrough of document conversion at the Adobe booth this coming  Monday
from 1:15-1:30

I have our complete booth schedule, including booth demos and Adobe
presentations schedule available in PDF by request or at
http://blogs.roundpeg.com/2010/04/adobe-stc-summit/

Of course the success of the conversion depends upon the extent to which the
content adheres to a standard. For example, if your Word docs all use
Normal+ for formatting, or if your FM docs are riddled with *Body, then no
logic can be applied and thus, no easy conversion exists.

So if your authors worked with style sheets, the supplied conversion tools
(FM conversion tables) are well-worth the effort and can convert any number
of documents to fairly valid XML with little relative effort. 

If they didn't, I know of no tool, for FM or any other editor, that will
analyze and structure documents using ad hoc formatting.


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Structuring documents (was RE: Adobe's New Corporate Strategies)

[Bernard Aschwanden (Publishing Smarter)]

The "we" in this case is a company we. So it was me. And one part time resource 
who did a few hours of work on things I didn't want
to work with. A lot of review or fixes to content the client had flagged as a 
possible concern. In this specific case the content
was a collection of references for command line info, but it had a pattern. 
Once we id'd it all and knew what went where it was
mostly painless. And the "we" has years and years of experience on all this. 
I've worked with Frame since 1992 and with structured
FrameMaker (FrameBuilder at the time) since then as well.

Writers who simply need to use the DITA stuff, not convert it, set it up, 
develop templates, and lots more can learn the basics
pretty quickly. There are good and bad to go with it, but all in all it's not a 
bad system. Once you know what you can (and cannot)
do it's pretty smooth.

Bernard


-Original Message-
From: Alison Craig [mailto:alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com] 
Sent: April-30-10 13:52
To: Bernard Aschwanden (Publishing Smarter); 'Matt Sullivan'; 'Joseph 
Lorenzini'; 'FrameMaker Forum'
Subject: RE: Structuring documents (was RE: Adobe's New Corporate Strategies)


>> BTW, with a system in place we converted 5,000 pages of legacy content that 
>> was in good shape to DITA in under a day.

Just one question, who is "we", meaning how many and what experience did all 
the "we" have with XML, DITA and Frame?

As a lone writer with no XML, DITA or structured Frame experience, this is an 
extremely relevant question. And my own BTW is, I'm
presuming that *my* content is good shape ;-))). At the very least, I know it 
backwards and forwards.

Alison


Alison Craig, Technical Writer
Ultrasonix Medical Corporation
Tel: (604) 279-8550, ext 127
E-mail: alison.craig at ultrasonix.com


-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Bernard Aschwanden 
(Publishing
Smarter)
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 10:41 AM
To: 'Matt Sullivan'; 'Joseph Lorenzini'; 'FrameMaker Forum'
Subject: RE: Structuring documents (was RE: Adobe's New Corporate Strategies)

Further to Matt's comments, I do conversion for clients, but usually 1000's of 
pages at a time, and sometimes it's Word, Frame, or
sloppy Frame source content. In almost all cases we look for patterns. If they 
can be id'd then we are sitting pretty. Regardless of
how good or bad the content is, if we can infer a structure (for example, even 
though Ctrl+b is used, if the content is in a step
then it will be a  and if in a figure title it is a ) then 
there is a lot of good to come of it.

That's the discussion with clients part. I can set up a demo of the entire 
conversion of legacy content in under a few hours. Then I
show the results to a client. It has to be fast as I do this type of demo for 
free. This means it's my time if there is too much
manual process.

So, yes, I can say it's a simple, painless, and quick process to transition BUT 
that assumes I'm starting with good content.

It's also simple, painless, and quick to book a flight from my hometown to 
Dallas (which is where I'm headed as I type this
response) because the infrastructure is in place. If however there wasn't a 
collection of airlines with flights to and from the
cities, tools like Travelocity, AirCanada.com, United.com, and others then I 
have to pick up the phone. Call my travel agent. Leave
a voice mail, Wait for a call back, compare pricing and departure times, dates 
and durations, and so many other options. That's
work.

Same with conversion. Once a system is in place and it works well then more and 
more people can take advantage of the benefits of
structure. And, if it doesn't work, or doesn't add value, then I say don't do 
it. Sometimes a third-party demo of what CAN be done
makes it pretty clear that it should be done. Other times it shows you that 
it's a bad idea.

Ultimately it really is a choice to make between net costs and headaches versus 
net benefits.

And, as Matt mentioned, I'm also in Dallas, and also at the STC booth. Feel 
free to drop in if you are on the list and we Matt, Tom,
or I can help out, discuss ideas, and generally outline ideas that may be of 
use to anyone on the list looking to migrate to
structure.

BTW, with a system in place we converted 5,000 pages of legacy content that was 
in good shape to DITA in under a day. That included
splitting the files up into topics, converting task/concept/reference 
correctly, resolving all cross references between topics,
validating files, building XML, checking it into a CMS, and publishing to both 
PDF and HTML. Of course, another client with 500
pages of crap content took over a week to achieve half of those results.

Start with quality, life/job is easier.

Bernard




Bernard Aschwanden
Publishing Smarter
www.publishingsmarter.com

Write Less. Write Better.



-Original Message-
From: fram

Structuring documents (was RE: Adobe's New Corporate Strategies)

[Bernard Aschwanden (Publishing Smarter)]

One quick note...

The EDD/DTD, many of the XSL tools for output (to PDF/HTML/Help) and training 
on using the tools (Frame) for DITA are mostly done.
There is an EDD and a default environment included in FrameMaker (and a lot of 
other DITA specific tools) already. The XSL is
included for most outputs in the toolkit, but you likely have to tweak it. 
WebWorks supports DITA as a source to create
PDF/HTML/Help using a lot of ideas you already have in your Frame or Word 
workflows. So does Mif2go, so does Robohelp. Some support
is already in place. Training is widely available and I've mentioned in other 
postings (I think) that you can even try out the book
I have for free by downloading the first five chapters from my site.

I would agree on your points overall though. As tools continue to develop I 
think the overall workflow will get easier. Since I can
work with the DITA "stuff" that Adobe includes I can do a demo for a client in 
days or less, not weeks. I can convert large volumes
in weeks, or months, not months or years. However, mapping current styles, and 
the update of content to meet the new bucket system
is part of the process and THAT is where I think the effort should be. 
Especially the part that teaches the new buckets. That's
where the return can come from as well.

The other problem with tools like Dreamweaver/FrontPage (opinion) was the 
masses who then felt "oh, I can create a webpage, it's
easy" and decided to do so. There is a lot of sloppy code still out there and a 
lot of overhead in tools like IE, Firefox, Chrome,
and others to deal with that.

Every system has good/bad, and each will have people who argue for/against 
them. I think the best bet is to get as much background
as you can, evaluate options, ask for free stuff (demo, trial versions) and see 
what does or does not work.

As this is on the Framers list I think most of us agree that Frame is a better 
tool for tech comm than Word, but I think that we can
also generally agree that, if it is used well, with best practices, Word can do 
a decent amount of things. It's a matter of
education, experience, best practice, workflow, and overall management of all 
the content you need to work with. Put it all together
and you can have a decent system. The same with/without DITA/structure. It may 
or may not work for all, but if you do plan to use
it, do the homework and use it correctly.

Hope that helps. Boy, this has been a good discussion on an interesting topic.

Bernard


-Original Message-
From: Ed [mailto:hamonwr...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: April-30-10 16:49
To: 'Matt Sullivan'; 'Bernard Aschwanden (Publishing Smarter)'; 'Alison Craig'; 
'FrameMaker Forum'
Subject: RE: Structuring documents (was RE: Adobe's New Corporate Strategies)

Matt-

People are asking why it's so hard to convert. My point is that for many
solo writers, it's hard to propose a conversion to management, and get
buy-in, especially when there's doc to write that's currently being
delivered just fine in their eyes.

To successfully convert unstructured content to a structure, you need:

An expert to create an EDD and/or DTD.
An expert in XSL to create output.
An expert to map your current styles to elements.
An expert to help you update your content to shoe-horn into the new XML
'buckets'.
An expert to train those who are going to be using the new tools. 

Now, that could be one person, or a team. However, it's still someone else
that needs to be paid. 

It doesn't take a team to upgrade from Word to Frame. Converting to CHM has
been mostly a one-button operation for years. If you want WebHelp, all you
need is some HTML and CSS knowledge and a copy of a HAT. Once Pagemaker came
around, it made publishing easier. Once Dreamweaver and FrontPage came
around, it made creating web pages easier. Converting to structure may never
get that easy, but it's gotta get easier than it is now.
-=Ed.

> -Original Message-
> From: Matt Sullivan [mailto:matt at grafixtraining.com]
> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 3:42 PM
> To: 'Ed'; 'Bernard Aschwanden (Publishing Smarter)'; 'Alison Craig';
> 'FrameMaker Forum'
> Subject: RE: Structuring documents (was RE: Adobe's New Corporate
Strategies)
> 
> The question isn't/wasn't whether or not to structure...that decision is
> based on (among other things):
> -number of authors
> -level of reuse
> -need to enforce content model
> -need to pass content between one organizational group and another
> 
> If the powers that be decide there is an ROI to structure, then that's
what
> you'll do.
> 
> Once that decision is made, as with any software or format conversion,
there
> will be a conversion of legacy docs to the new format.
> 
> As noted by myself, Bernard, and others, the ease of conversion to XML or
> DITA is mostly dependent on the quality of the legacy docs and their
> consistency in applying a stylesheet.
> 
> If I were asked 

RE: Dinner's on Me

[Bernard Aschwanden (Publishing Smarter)]

Pfah. I do that type of demo and so on all the time. I'm in. If others are 
interested in a similar demo let me know. Also, if you
are at STC in Dallas next week look for me at the Adobe booth and we can 
discuss it in greater detail. Dinner is nice, but I'm happy
to do it regardless :)

That offer goes to all on the list and beyond by the way.

Bernard




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-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Martinek, Carla
Sent: April-27-10 11:16
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Dinner's on Me

Seriously. :) If you're interested in helping me out, contact me OFF LIST.

We've been wanting to convert our content to DITA for a couple of years now. 
This is one of my spare-time projects - and of course
I never have any spare time because we have three fewer people than we did 
three years ago, but more products to document. I've done
some webinars and one short seminar, been through some books, but haven't 
converted any of my content yet. I've got theoretical
knowledge, but no real practical DITA XML experience.

However... I've just been informed that we will be meeting with Tech Support in 
a week or two to work on finally getting all of our
content into XML so we can share it between the groups.

What I'm offering dinner  for is someone who is well-versed in DITA and FM and 
who is willing to convert some sample pages of our
documentation (a few pages from our programming guide, and a few pages from the 
user manual) so that I can see what *my* content
looks like as DITA. From that I can figure out my mapping tables going forward. 
We don't have the budget to send our content out for
conversion, so I'll be starting with one guide at first and working from there 
as we update. It's going to be a FUN year for me!!!
(Can you hear the sarcasm?) My first project will be an 1100-page programming 
guide. Fortunately, it's about 500 files, each of
which is a command, so it's very repetitive in its structure. Get one command 
done, and I have the blueprint for the other 499.

Our source files are in FM9 (but I can provide FM8 if needed), and Structured 
FM w/DITA will be our XML environment at this time.
We use a LOT of conditional text because the content is shared across multiple 
product lines. We build chapters and books out of
topical files, but content is not stored in a CMS at this time.

Dinner will be in the form of a gift card for your favorite chain dinner place 
(Applebee's, Fridays, Red Lobster, etc,  you pick
what works for you). This is out of my pocket, not the company's, but it's to 
make my job easier going forward.


Regards, and many thanks
Carla
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Dinner's on Me

[Bernard Aschwanden (Publishing Smarter)]

Pfah. I do that type of demo and so on all the time. I'm in. If others are 
interested in a similar demo let me know. Also, if you
are at STC in Dallas next week look for me at the Adobe booth and we can 
discuss it in greater detail. Dinner is nice, but I'm happy
to do it regardless :)

That offer goes to all on the list and beyond by the way.

Bernard




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-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Martinek, Carla
Sent: April-27-10 11:16
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Dinner's on Me

Seriously. :) If you're interested in helping me out, contact me OFF LIST.

We've been wanting to convert our content to DITA for a couple of years now. 
This is one of my "spare-time" projects - and of course
I never have any spare time because we have three fewer people than we did 
three years ago, but more products to document. I've done
some webinars and one short seminar, been through some books, but haven't 
converted any of my content yet. I've got theoretical
knowledge, but no real practical DITA XML experience.

However... I've just been informed that we will be meeting with Tech Support in 
a week or two to work on finally getting all of our
content into XML so we can share it between the groups.

What I'm offering dinner  for is someone who is well-versed in DITA and FM and 
who is willing to convert some sample pages of our
documentation (a few pages from our programming guide, and a few pages from the 
user manual) so that I can see what *my* content
looks like as DITA. From that I can figure out my mapping tables going forward. 
We don't have the budget to send our content out for
conversion, so I'll be starting with one guide at first and working from there 
as we update. It's going to be a FUN year for me!!!
(Can you hear the sarcasm?) My first project will be an 1100-page programming 
guide. Fortunately, it's about 500 files, each of
which is a command, so it's very repetitive in its structure. Get one command 
done, and I have the blueprint for the other 499.

Our source files are in FM9 (but I can provide FM8 if needed), and Structured 
FM w/DITA will be our XML environment at this time.
We use a LOT of conditional text because the content is shared across multiple 
product lines. We build chapters and books out of
topical files, but content is not stored in a CMS at this time.

Dinner will be in the form of a gift card for your favorite chain dinner place 
(Applebee's, Fridays, Red Lobster, etc,  you pick
what works for you). This is out of my pocket, not the company's, but it's to 
make my job easier going forward.


Regards, and many thanks
Carla
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Training materials for Structured FrameMaker 9

[Bernard Aschwanden (Publishing Smarter)]

Hi Pat,

You can see the first five chapters of my FrameMaker and DITA book (geared 
towards those who need to work with structure) and
download them for free here:

http://www.publishingsmarter.com/resources/books-and-articles/framemaker

If you find it useful, the entire book is available for sale. It's 24 chapters, 
and each has a matching tutorial so that you can use
for hands-on self-paced training. While the book costs a lot less than a formal 
training course I do suggest that option as well. I
deliver online training as well. There are several other great resources on the 
mailing list that may follow up as well.

Best of luck, and feel free to start with the free tutorials first. From there 
you can decide what your next steps are going to be.

Bernard




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Sent: April 23, 2010 10:04 PM
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Subject: Training materials for Structured FrameMaker 9

Hi -

I've been looking around the web and don't see any training materials for
Structured FrameMaker 9. Any help?

Thanks.

Pat
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Hi Pat,

You can see the first five chapters of my FrameMaker and DITA book (geared 
towards those who need to work with structure) and
download them for free here:

http://www.publishingsmarter.com/resources/books-and-articles/framemaker

If you find it useful, the entire book is available for sale. It's 24 chapters, 
and each has a matching tutorial so that you can use
for hands-on self-paced training. While the book costs a lot less than a formal 
training course I do suggest that option as well. I
deliver online training as well. There are several other great resources on the 
mailing list that may follow up as well.

Best of luck, and feel free to start with the free tutorials first. From there 
you can decide what your next steps are going to be.

Bernard




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Sent: April 23, 2010 10:04 PM
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Subject: Training materials for Structured FrameMaker 9

Hi -

I've been looking around the web and don't see any training materials for
Structured FrameMaker 9. Any help?

Thanks.

Pat
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RE: Error message when importing xml into Structured FrameMaker template

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Odds are you have automated master pages set up with content that applies a 
specific page layout. However, there are conflicting
instructions. For example, the page has to elements, researchlist and foo 
on the same page. researchlist is to apply a layout
of UniqueMasterPage1 and foo is applying UniqueMP2. Hence, conflict.

Force researchtag to appear at the top of a page and it may fix the problem. 
You can test this by bumping it to the top of a page
using Special  Page Break and then follow that up with Format  Page Layout  
Apply Master Pages.

If the test works then update your template and/or EDD to provide the right 
support.

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Subject: Error message when importing xml into Structured FrameMaker template

I am getting the following error message when attempting to import xml into 
Structured FrameMaker template:
The master page application caused the determining E:researchlist tag to move 
off the page. The default master page was applied as
a result.
Book Error report.

It will not allow the text enclosed in the researchlist tags to flow to the 
appropriate master page. How can I fix tis?

Brenda George
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Error message when importing xml into Structured FrameMaker template

[Bernard Aschwanden (Publishing Smarter)]

Odds are you have automated master pages set up with content that applies a 
specific page layout. However, there are conflicting
instructions. For example, the page has to elements,  and  
on the same page.  is to apply a layout
of  and  is applying . Hence, conflict.

Force  to appear at the top of a page and it may fix the problem. 
You can test this by bumping it to the top of a page
using Special > Page Break and then follow that up with Format > Page Layout > 
Apply Master Pages.

If the test works then update your template and/or EDD to provide the right 
support.

Bernard




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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of George, Brenda (CAI)
Sent: April-19-10 8:43 AM
To: Framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Error message when importing xml into Structured FrameMaker template

I am getting the following error message when attempting to import xml into 
Structured FrameMaker template:
The master page application caused the determining "E:researchlist" tag to move 
off the page. The default master page was applied as
a result.
Book Error report.

It will not allow the text enclosed in the  tags to flow to the 
appropriate master page. How can I fix tis?

Brenda George
Desk: (724) 720-8491
bgeorge at federatedinv.com



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RE: Strategy for Handling Conditional Text

[Bernard Aschwanden (Publishing Smarter)]

Ideally I'd suggest try to avoid conditional text. That means planning. Then, 
if you do need to use it, you've done all you can to
avoid it, and it should appear as little as possible. It likely needs as little 
as possible to make it work as well. It's a great
feature, but one that you may be able to reduce your need for.

That means think a lot about what you write. With one client we took the 
approach of a Mac and a PC version of manuals, but we had,
say, 10 chapters that had the same info. We avoided product names. We asked the 
developers to match the product and dialogs. Then we
wrote generic. Instead of on the PC, click FOO to open the Windows Explore 
and on the Mac, click YADDA to open the Finder or
whatever, we wrote Open your file browser, and similar things. The assumption 
was that the user would either know how to do it,
look it up in the chapter on Mac Specific Functions and Tips, or ask a person 
how do I do *this*.

At the end we had 9 or 10 shared chapters, and 1 for just a mac, one for just a 
PC. Conditions almost didn't exist. We also dropped
versions and product names. Personally I find it a bit silly. At the end of the 
project we had a set of core common files, one file
for a mac, one for a PC, and two books (mac version and PC version).

If I have a book/help file/website and I'm reading about MS Office 2007 for 
Windows then do I need to see text that says on your
Windows 7(r)(tm)(c), using Microsoft Office 2007(r)(tm)(c) you can open a file 
by selecting the File menu and choosing Open. Nope.
If I am reading the manual I already know that I'm using the software. And the 
version. And the OS. Now I have one sentence. It says
Select File  Open.

That sentence, btw, likely works for Word, Excel, PowerPoint, MS Paint, 
Photoshop, Acrobat, FrameMaker, WordPerfect, and so much
more. Heck, write it cleanly, assume some intelligence and problem solving in 
the reader, and you can have this:

-

Open a document
Files that are available to you on your local drive, over a network, or through 
other locations can be opened. There may be slight
differences based on the specific software you are using.
1. Select File  Open
2. Navigate to the document to open.
3. Select the document
4. Click OK or Open.
-

That now tells you how to do this regardless of almost all factors. It's not to 
say that your docs will be this easy, but a big part
of conditional use that I have seen with clients in the past 20 years or so has 
been due to the feature existing and people deciding
to use it, rather than planning their docs, and only using features when/where 
it makes sense to do so.

Hope that adds a bit to the discussion.

Best of luck,

Bernard




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RE: Strategy for Handling Conditional Text

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BILL: Generally I agree, but I think in this specific case the application that 
Joe is documenting really varies between Linux and
Windows. At least, that's what I gathered from: Originally, I was told that 
these differences would eventually go away and that the
user experience would be identical on both operating systems. This hasn't 
happened. The differences have grown.

B: A great reason to ask for that in writing ;) If they 'tell' you that it will 
go away and that UX will become the same, then
they'll change and not do it. If they put it in writing at least you can go 
back with that and say look and then smack them.
With a large, cold, dead fish. Repeatedly. No jury of MY peers would convict 
you.

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Strategy for Handling Conditional Text

[Bernard Aschwanden (Publishing Smarter)]

Ideally I'd suggest try to avoid conditional text. That means planning. Then, 
if you do need to use it, you've done all you can to
avoid it, and it should appear as little as possible. It likely needs as little 
as possible to make it work as well. It's a great
feature, but one that you may be able to reduce your need for.

That means think a lot about what you write. With one client we took the 
approach of a Mac and a PC version of manuals, but we had,
say, 10 chapters that had the same info. We avoided product names. We asked the 
developers to match the product and dialogs. Then we
wrote generic. Instead of "on the PC, click FOO to open the Windows Explore" 
and "on the Mac, click YADDA to open the Finder" or
whatever, we wrote "Open your file browser", and similar things. The assumption 
was that the user would either know how to do it,
look it up in the chapter on Mac Specific Functions and Tips, or ask a person 
"how do I do *this*".

At the end we had 9 or 10 shared chapters, and 1 for just a mac, one for just a 
PC. Conditions almost didn't exist. We also dropped
versions and product names. Personally I find it a bit silly. At the end of the 
project we had a set of core common files, one file
for a mac, one for a PC, and two books (mac version and PC version).

If I have a book/help file/website and I'm reading about MS Office 2007 for 
Windows then do I need to see text that says "on your
Windows 7(r)(tm)(c), using Microsoft Office 2007(r)(tm)(c) you can open a file 
by selecting the File menu and choosing Open." Nope.
If I am reading the manual I already know that I'm using the software. And the 
version. And the OS. Now I have one sentence. It says
"Select File > Open."

That sentence, btw, likely works for Word, Excel, PowerPoint, MS Paint, 
Photoshop, Acrobat, FrameMaker, WordPerfect, and so much
more. Heck, write it cleanly, assume some intelligence and problem solving in 
the reader, and you can have this:

-

Open a document
Files that are available to you on your local drive, over a network, or through 
other locations can be opened. There may be slight
differences based on the specific software you are using.
1. Select File > Open
2. Navigate to the document to open.
3. Select the document
4. Click OK or Open.
-

That now tells you how to do this regardless of almost all factors. It's not to 
say that your docs will be this easy, but a big part
of conditional use that I have seen with clients in the past 20 years or so has 
been due to the feature existing and people deciding
to use it, rather than planning their docs, and only using features when/where 
it makes sense to do so.

Hope that adds a bit to the discussion.

Best of luck,

Bernard




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Strategy for Handling Conditional Text

[Bernard Aschwanden (Publishing Smarter)]

BILL: Generally I agree, but I think in this specific case the application that 
Joe is documenting really varies between Linux and
Windows. At least, that's what I gathered from: "Originally, I was told that 
these differences would eventually go away and that the
user experience would be identical on both operating systems. This hasn't 
happened. The differences have grown."

B: A great reason to ask for that in writing ;) If they 'tell' you that it will 
go away and that UX will become the same, then
they'll change and not do it. If they put it in writing at least you can go 
back with that and say "look" and then smack them.
With a large, cold, dead fish. Repeatedly. No jury of MY peers would convict 
you.

Upgrading FrameMaker - IE Service Pack ?

[Bernard Aschwanden (Publishing Smarter)]

For what it is worth, so far I've had luck with running Windows XP with
various service packs and using FM 7.2, 8, 9. I've just switched to Win7 (my
laptop died mid work...) and it is running all three with no issues as well.
I don't think that IE has any direct impact on FrameMaker at all, so you
should be good.

That's all completely "I hope that this is right" and there is about 0% of
any legit backing on this message ;)

Bernard




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Sent: April-08-10 12:24 PM
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Subject: Upgrading FrameMaker - IE Service Pack ?

All,



The Company is finally upgrading to Service Pack 3 soon, but staying on
IE version 6, until all application testing is completed.  I believe FM
7 will error with SP2.



My question is -  anyone aware of any problems of transferring
structured FM v7 files to FM v8 with those specs. Any possible template
errors?  Anything to be prepared for?



Thanks in advance!



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Upgrading FrameMaker - IE Service Pack ?

[Bernard Aschwanden (Publishing Smarter)]

Sounds like the most likely fix is to check the FM application files to make
sure that they point to the right paths. On top of that there is also the
potential to review the RW to see where it is. The default STRUCTDIR is
based on the install, so if there is a direct copy/paste that someone did on
the application it may need a minor tweak.

Contact me off-list if you want and I can try to fix it via a quick call to
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Sent: April-08-10 1:37 PM
Subject: RE: Upgrading FrameMaker - IE Service Pack ?

Someone is testing FM8 on XP SP3 and gets this message.
SGML Read Messages...

C:\Program Files\Adobe\FrameMaker8\structure\sgml\Southwest-700\rw.fm; 
Could not find include file (C:\Program
Files\Adobe\FrameMaker7.0\structure\SGML\isoents\isoall.rw).

Error reading the rules file ($STRUCTDIR\sgml\Southwest-700\rw.fm).

SGML open aborted.

So I am guessing the DTD need editing - I have never used structured
files.

Thanks again,
Diana

-Original Message-
From: Combs, Richard [mailto:richard.co...@polycom.com] 
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 12:01 PM
To: Diana Stock; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Upgrading FrameMaker - IE Service Pack ?

Diana Stock wrote: 

> The Company is finally upgrading to Service Pack 3 soon, but staying
on
> IE version 6, until all application testing is completed.  I believe
FM
> 7 will error with SP2.

Service Pack 3 of what? Windows XP? Vista? And what does Internet
Explorer have to do with this? 

What leads you to believe that FM 7 will have a problem? (I assume "SP2"
is a typo and you meant "SP3," but again, of what?)

I'm guessing you're on Win XP (because I'm not sure IE 6 is compatible
with Vista). FWIW, I've been running FM 7.2 (unstructured) on Windows XP
SP3 for quite some time. No problems. 

Richard G. Combs
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Polycom, Inc.
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RE: Upgrading FrameMaker - IE Service Pack ?

[Bernard Aschwanden (Publishing Smarter)]

Sounds like the most likely fix is to check the FM application files to make
sure that they point to the right paths. On top of that there is also the
potential to review the RW to see where it is. The default STRUCTDIR is
based on the install, so if there is a direct copy/paste that someone did on
the application it may need a minor tweak.

Contact me off-list if you want and I can try to fix it via a quick call to
the people testing this.

Bernard




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-Original Message-
Sent: April-08-10 1:37 PM
Subject: RE: Upgrading FrameMaker - IE Service Pack ?

Someone is testing FM8 on XP SP3 and gets this message.
SGML Read Messages...
 
C:\Program Files\Adobe\FrameMaker8\structure\sgml\Southwest-700\rw.fm; 
Could not find include file (C:\Program
Files\Adobe\FrameMaker7.0\structure\SGML\isoents\isoall.rw).
 
Error reading the rules file ($STRUCTDIR\sgml\Southwest-700\rw.fm).
 
SGML open aborted.

So I am guessing the DTD need editing - I have never used structured
files.

Thanks again,
Diana

-Original Message-
From: Combs, Richard [mailto:richard.co...@polycom.com] 
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 12:01 PM
To: Diana Stock; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Upgrading FrameMaker - IE Service Pack ?

Diana Stock wrote: 
 
 The Company is finally upgrading to Service Pack 3 soon, but staying
on
 IE version 6, until all application testing is completed.  I believe
FM
 7 will error with SP2.

Service Pack 3 of what? Windows XP? Vista? And what does Internet
Explorer have to do with this? 

What leads you to believe that FM 7 will have a problem? (I assume SP2
is a typo and you meant SP3, but again, of what?)

I'm guessing you're on Win XP (because I'm not sure IE 6 is compatible
with Vista). FWIW, I've been running FM 7.2 (unstructured) on Windows XP
SP3 for quite some time. No problems. 

Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
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With Apologies to RJ - just can't quite feel the love or embrace this FM9 interface

[Bernard Aschwanden (Publishing Smarter)]

You can take the pods and rip them free from the interface, float and size
them, and then save the settings. There are things that can be done to
improve the interface, but this approach may help.

Basically just set up the interface the way you want it, then go up to the
top right where you see the various names for the predefined configurations.
Click and go to save your own.

Note that at times you will apply one (like your own) and then still have to
go and reset it as well. If I figure out the logic behind when and why I'll
let people know.

I do have some free info at http://www.publishingsmarter.com under the
References section that may help. Check the book on DITA and FrameMaker. In
it, the first chapter (and the associated tutorial) has you do some
configuration. Hopefully that helps.

Bernard



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-Original Message-
From: Spectrum Writing [mailto:i...@spectrumwritingllc.com] 
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 9:35 AM
To: Free Framers Subscriber
Subject: [Free Framers] With Apologies to RJ - just can't quite feel the
love or embrace this FM9 interface

The horrendous amount of real estate that these blasted pods take up is just
mind-boggling and it appears to be all or nothing.  Either the pod has to be
open all the way or you can iconize the view, neither of which is a
feasible solution. The interface I would like, as antiquated as it might
be is one that mimics ghosts of FM past - you know, having the paragraph
designer open as a list of the tags, the character designer open as a list
of tags, etc.

 

I have watched RJ's video on customizing the workspace, and all that is
shown is the completely open or iconized version. Unless it was just
inadvertently left out of the presentation, there appears to be no way to
get the in-between version - just the lists please. 

 

Has anyone figured out a way to get this in-between appearance of the two
most basic pods - paragraph and character designer or am I stuck with
Adobe's almost eerily we are like Microsoft approach - that is, we give
you what we think is best and too bad if it isn't?

 

Sorry RJ - just can't quite embrace this new interface - after using it for
a few days now, I would rather be embracing a stiff drink and a handful of
aspirin!

 

TGIF!!!

 

 

 

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Owner/Principal

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With Apologies to RJ - just can't quite feel the love or embrace this FM9 interface

[Bernard Aschwanden (Publishing Smarter)]

You can take the pods and rip them free from the interface, float and size
them, and then save the settings. There are things that can be done to
improve the interface, but this approach may help.

Basically just set up the interface the way you want it, then go up to the
top right where you see the various names for the predefined configurations.
Click and go to save your own.

Note that at times you will apply one (like your own) and then still have to
go and reset it as well. If I figure out the logic behind when and why I'll
let people know.

I do have some free info at http://www.publishingsmarter.com under the
References section that may help. Check the book on DITA and FrameMaker. In
it, the first chapter (and the associated tutorial) has you do some
configuration. Hopefully that helps.

Bernard



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-Original Message-
From: Spectrum Writing [mailto:i...@spectrumwritingllc.com] 
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 9:35 AM
To: Free Framers Subscriber
Subject: [Free Framers] With Apologies to RJ - just can't quite feel the
love or embrace this FM9 interface

The horrendous amount of real estate that these blasted pods take up is just
mind-boggling and it appears to be all or nothing.  Either the pod has to be
open all the way or you can "iconize" the view, neither of which is a
feasible solution. The interface I would like, as "antiquated" as it might
be is one that mimics ghosts of FM past - you know, having the paragraph
designer open as a list of the tags, the character designer open as a list
of tags, etc.



I have watched RJ's video on customizing the workspace, and all that is
shown is the "completely open" or "iconized" version. Unless it was just
inadvertently left out of the presentation, there appears to be no way to
get the "in-between" version - just the lists please. 



Has anyone figured out a way to get this "in-between" appearance of the two
most basic pods - paragraph and character designer or am I stuck with
Adobe's almost eerily "we are like Microsoft approach" - that is, we give
you what we think is best and too bad if it isn't?



Sorry RJ - just can't quite embrace this new interface - after using it for
a few days now, I would rather be embracing a stiff drink and a handful of
aspirin!



TGIF!!!







Tammy Van Boening

Owner/Principal

Spectrum Writing, LLC

www.spectrumwritingllc.com

info at spectrumwritingllc.com



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RE: Describing software user interfaces using DITA

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Are you going to be at the tekom conference in Germany this November? If so,
I'd love to take some time to talk about this one. However, as general
statements, consider what users want to do, not the name of a dialog. The
indeas such as prinint and approving or reviewing reports are a great start.
However, what also becomes hugely important is to consider the audience and
to organize information groups (maps) based on both the type of content you
need, but also the audience in regards to their skills.

If you figure out the topic level (not the specific element level) ideas of
what the audience is, then it will help to determine what you should
document and how deeply. You can, for example, decide that audience has
administrator as it's primary target. The admin could be responsible for
customizing. The experience level is general. So, for audience
type=administrator job=customizing experience=general you can decide
that the topics you include are more advanced. You assume they can print,
heck, you may assume they can format c: and reinstall the OS if they are an
average level administrator in the IT world. So, what can a user at that
background do with your product?

Perhaps user surveys. Ask people what is your job title and what are your
skills and then use that to recover information on the audience that you
can then use to decide on the tasks and the depth of detail.

So, before anything, identify what users means in the context of your
questions. Once you have ID'd who you are writing for, the type of content
you write, and the depth of information may be easier to understand.

So, based on that idea, I'll try the three questions. You ask where to
describe the very simple tasks and I'd say you don't. *IF* your audience is
at a level of skill that already can perform the simple tasks. Or build
those tasks into a tutorial. Put together a tutorial on how to open a
report, then how to review the report, and finally how to write a rejection
comment. That covers two of the tasks in a single tutorial AND it lets the
user do something. Heck, most of us can learn a lot by reading a well
written tutorial.

Where do you describe task-related connections between features is another
question. If I understand that correctly, you want to know where you would
put together the link for Reviewing/Approving. In a relationship table
reltable (used by the maps) you can put a relationship between the two of
these. Try to never put the links xref between your topics INSIDE the
topics. Otherwise the famous unresolved xref idea could happen if you
don't include required files. Just create the map and use the reltable as
much as you can to drive the connections between the topics you write for
the features.

As for reference information, same idea. Put the links between
topic/concept/reference/task into the map using the relationship table when
you can. It's not something that is 100% the right answer but it will make
a big difference in how you manage the links. By removing them from topics
you reduce the likelyhood that one topic needs three others (which in turn
each need 2, 3, 4 or however many more) and growing your single and simple
set of three or four topics into a deliverable that needs 23 topics to
print.

So, know your audience, and ID them early. Learn what they will actually
want and use. What are their goals? When will they likely have questions
that trigger help and what do they know before doing so. Once they know all
this, can they quickly find it because it's well detailed? And for links,
use the maps and the reltables.

Hopefully this is a bit of help. Let me know if there are more questions.
Again, if you are at tekom, great. I'll hope you stop by and say hello. For
anyone that is in North America, take the time to consider www.lavacon.org
as well since I'll be there, as will others who are part of this forum and a
few of the people behind DITA, the toolkit, and the tools that work with the
architecture.

Best of luck,

Bernard



Bernard Aschwanden
President
Publishing Smarter

www.publishingsmarter.com 



-Original Message-
I am looking at my software user interface and evaulating what should be
tasks, comcepts and reference. Right now I am creating context-sensitive
help and a paper manual (single-sourced).
 
In my interface I can create hundreds of tasks, but they are very simple
almost self-explanatory on screen.
Tasks like 
 
Printing a report,
Approving a result,
Reviewing a result
Writing a reject comment
 
What is more difficult is to describe what happens behind the scene.
What new features opens up for you depending on your choices.
 
Yet another issue is that what is probably the most difficult for users to
understand is typical reference information like all the symbols on
different screens. They are not all intuitive and without documentation the
user hasn't a clue to what is going on. 
 
Questions:
 
Do you describe the very simple tasks? If so, how do you handle hundreds of
small 

Describing software user interfaces using DITA

[Bernard Aschwanden (Publishing Smarter)]

Are you going to be at the tekom conference in Germany this November? If so,
I'd love to take some time to talk about this one. However, as general
statements, consider what users want to do, not the name of a dialog. The
indeas such as prinint and approving or reviewing reports are a great start.
However, what also becomes hugely important is to consider the audience and
to organize information groups (maps) based on both the type of content you
need, but also the audience in regards to their skills.

If you figure out the topic level (not the specific element level) ideas of
what the audience is, then it will help to determine what you should
document and how deeply. You can, for example, decide that audience has
administrator as it's primary target. The admin could be responsible for
customizing. The experience level is general. So, for  you can decide
that the topics you include are more advanced. You assume they can print,
heck, you may assume they can format c: and reinstall the OS if they are an
"average level" administrator in the IT world. So, what can a user at that
background do with your product?

Perhaps user surveys. Ask people "what is your job title and what are your
skills" and then use that to recover information on the audience that you
can then use to decide on the tasks and the depth of detail.

So, before anything, identify what "users" means in the context of your
questions. Once you have ID'd who you are writing for, the type of content
you write, and the depth of information may be easier to understand.

So, based on that idea, I'll try the three questions. You ask where to
describe the very simple tasks and I'd say you don't. *IF* your audience is
at a level of skill that already can perform the simple tasks. Or build
those tasks into a tutorial. Put together a tutorial on how to open a
report, then how to review the report, and finally how to write a rejection
comment. That covers two of the tasks in a single tutorial AND it lets the
user do something. Heck, most of us can learn a lot by reading a well
written tutorial.

Where do you describe task-related connections between features is another
question. If I understand that correctly, you want to know where you would
put together the link for Reviewing/Approving. In a relationship table
 (used by the maps) you can put a relationship between the two of
these. Try to never put the links  between your topics INSIDE the
topics. Otherwise the famous "unresolved xref" idea could happen if you
don't include required files. Just create the map and use the reltable as
much as you can to drive the connections between the topics you write for
the features.

As for reference information, same idea. Put the links between
topic/concept/reference/task into the map using the relationship table when
you can. It's not something that is 100% the "right answer" but it will make
a big difference in how you manage the links. By removing them from topics
you reduce the likelyhood that one topic needs three others (which in turn
each need 2, 3, 4 or however many more) and growing your single and simple
set of three or four topics into a deliverable that needs 23 topics to
print.

So, know your audience, and ID them early. Learn what they will actually
want and use. What are their goals? When will they likely have questions
that trigger help and what do they know before doing so. Once they know all
this, can they quickly find it because it's well detailed? And for links,
use the maps and the reltables.

Hopefully this is a bit of help. Let me know if there are more questions.
Again, if you are at tekom, great. I'll hope you stop by and say hello. For
anyone that is in North America, take the time to consider www.lavacon.org
as well since I'll be there, as will others who are part of this forum and a
few of the people behind DITA, the toolkit, and the tools that work with the
architecture.

Best of luck,

Bernard



Bernard Aschwanden
President
Publishing Smarter

www.publishingsmarter.com 



-Original Message-
I am looking at my software user interface and evaulating what should be
tasks, comcepts and reference. Right now I am creating context-sensitive
help and a paper manual (single-sourced).

In my interface I can create hundreds of tasks, but they are very simple
almost self-explanatory on screen.
Tasks like 

"Printing a report",
"Approving a result",
"Reviewing a result"
"Writing a reject comment"

What is more difficult is to describe what happens behind the scene.
What new features opens up for you depending on your choices.

Yet another issue is that what is probably the most difficult for users to
understand is typical reference information like all the symbols on
different screens. They are not all intuitive and without documentation the
user hasn't a clue to what is going on. 

Questions:

Do you describe the very simple tasks? If so, how do you handle hundreds of
small tasks in a paper manual?
Where do you describe task-related 

OT: PTC Epic Guru

[Bernard Aschwanden (Publishing Smarter)]

Hi to all:

I've been asked by a business partner to find a person who knows the PTC
Epic side of things inside and out. Someone who can do API development work
and is available to work on an interesting project to connect a CMS into
Epic.

If you know of anyone who can do this, please let me know offlist. Email
directly to me and I'll follow up as soon as possible.

Thanks to all,

Bernard



Bernard Aschwanden
President
Publishing Smarter

www.publishingsmarter.com

RE: Adobe announces FrameMaker 9 and Technical Communication

[Bernard Aschwanden (Publishing Smarter)]

It will be a learning curve for experienced users. I've been working with
this for a while now and I can tell you that it takes a while to get used to
it. However, much like working with other tools, it's now a lot easier to
configure the system for what I'm doing, rather than for what the
application feels like presenting to me. It's been a long time coming, but
it feels more like an Adobe tool. If you use things like Photoshop, or
Acrobat, or any other major Adobe tool, you have a way to configure the
interface to do what you want, rather than what the dev team decided.

While the application ends up being pretty easy to work with, you will need
to put time into learning. Think of a new car... If you had a car that was
set up with all kinds of preset radio stations (and only AM) and with a
cassette player in it, you think that what you have does all you need.
However, when you get a new car and it has satellite radio and a built in
MP3 player, you need to learn how to work the new settings. If the dash is
digital and has several screens, you also need to learn not only the new
tools, but the new interface. Add to that new features in the car and it can
seem daunting. However, once you get the new car on the open road and you
start to deal with either the daily commute, or you deal with long trips to
the cottage, to the inlawa, or to the beach, you start to realize just how
nice the new comforts are. To that end, it's worth the upgrade, and it's
worth the extra work to learn the new approaches to working.

Imagine then a FrameMaker world where you can optimize what you do for
template design, for daily authoring, for a review process, for structured
work, for book publishing, for editing, and for just about any 'normal' task
you normally perform as part of your job. Imagine setting up the designers
and toolbars where you want them for one environment, and then being able to
toggle them to another. Forget about the day-to-day, hour-by-hour manual
tasks that you perform and focus on the job. I can't imagine the amount of
time I spend moving dialogs from one part of my screen to another simply to
get different real estate to be the 'focus' of what I'm doing. Two monitors
help, but I'm still trapped in a world of drag-and-drop modifications to do
one task or another.

So, the answer to the question of 'Does anyone know if this is a good
thing' is a yes but a qualified one. It's a good thing IF you are willing
to take the time to work through the learning curve. Once that's done
though, then it's a much smoother ride and, like the new car, can make the
small bumps seem smoother, the long trips a bit less tiring, and ultimately
make the destination the focus point, not the individual issues that come up
along the way.

I hope that helps out.

Bernard



Bernard Aschwanden
President
Publishing Smarter

www.publishingsmarter.com 



-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Carrie Baker
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 5:38 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Adobe announces FrameMaker 9 and Technical Communication

I looked at their announcement.
What do you think they mean by
New intunitve User Interface? and then Work more efficiently through a
completely redesigned user experience.

Does anyone know if this is a good thing.
This sounds like a learning curve for experienced users.

_
Message: 38
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 08:26:27 +0100
From: Yves Barbion yves.barb...@gmail.com
Subject: To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Message-ID:
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Hi FrameUsers
It's here:
http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/
http://www.adobe.com/products/technicalcommunicationsuite/

Cheers
--
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www.scripto.nu  ? skype: yves.barbion  ? T: +32 494 12 01 89
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Adobe announces FrameMaker 9 and Technical Communication

[Bernard Aschwanden (Publishing Smarter)]

It will be a learning curve for experienced users. I've been working with
this for a while now and I can tell you that it takes a while to get used to
it. However, much like working with other tools, it's now a lot easier to
configure the system for what I'm doing, rather than for what the
application feels like presenting to me. It's been a long time coming, but
it feels more like an Adobe tool. If you use things like Photoshop, or
Acrobat, or any other major Adobe tool, you have a way to configure the
interface to do what you want, rather than what the dev team decided.

While the application ends up being pretty easy to work with, you will need
to put time into learning. Think of a new car... If you had a car that was
set up with all kinds of preset radio stations (and only AM) and with a
cassette player in it, you think that what you have does all you need.
However, when you get a new car and it has satellite radio and a built in
MP3 player, you need to learn how to work the new settings. If the dash is
digital and has several screens, you also need to learn not only the new
tools, but the new interface. Add to that new features in the car and it can
seem daunting. However, once you get the new car on the open road and you
start to deal with either the daily commute, or you deal with long trips to
the cottage, to the inlawa, or to the beach, you start to realize just how
nice the new comforts are. To that end, it's worth the upgrade, and it's
worth the extra work to learn the new approaches to working.

Imagine then a FrameMaker world where you can optimize what you do for
template design, for daily authoring, for a review process, for structured
work, for book publishing, for editing, and for just about any 'normal' task
you normally perform as part of your job. Imagine setting up the designers
and toolbars where you want them for one environment, and then being able to
toggle them to another. Forget about the day-to-day, hour-by-hour manual
tasks that you perform and focus on the job. I can't imagine the amount of
time I spend moving dialogs from one part of my screen to another simply to
get different real estate to be the 'focus' of what I'm doing. Two monitors
help, but I'm still trapped in a world of drag-and-drop modifications to do
one task or another.

So, the answer to the question of 'Does anyone know if this is a "good
thing"' is a "yes" but a qualified one. It's a good thing IF you are willing
to take the time to work through the learning curve. Once that's done
though, then it's a much smoother ride and, like the new car, can make the
small bumps seem smoother, the long trips a bit less tiring, and ultimately
make the destination the focus point, not the individual issues that come up
along the way.

I hope that helps out.

Bernard



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-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Carrie Baker
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 5:38 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Adobe announces FrameMaker 9 and Technical Communication

I looked at their announcement.
What do you think they mean by
"New intunitve User Interface"? and then "Work more efficiently through a
completely redesigned user experience."

Does anyone know if this is a "good thing".
This sounds like a learning curve for experienced users.

_
Message: 38
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 08:26:27 +0100
From: "Yves Barbion" 
Subject: To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
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Hi FrameUsers
It's here:
http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/
http://www.adobe.com/products/technicalcommunicationsuite/

Cheers
--
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RE: Fonts Not Available That Aren't Used

[Bernard Aschwanden (Publishing Smarter)]

Hi Kristy,

Another couple of interesting pointers if it happens again:

1. Create a MIF and search for the font name in there. Sometimes it's in the
reference pages, sometimes in the master pages and sometimes (argh) it's
just *off* the page.

In the MIF you can search for the font and basically trace your way up the
'tree' of objects to try and find the right location. Sometimes it's pretty
creative in hiding and showing info.

I've found stuff that is located just off the visible part of the reference
page. Try it: Create a new, portrait, blank document and view the reference
page. In the top right margin of the first reference page place a text
object using the A tool. (For purists, that's the Draw a Text Line
tool). Type your initials or something similar. Then select Format  Page
Layout  Page Size and make it 6 inches wide. The text is 'hidden' off the
page, but still there.



2. Insert a table. One of every type you have and even if they have no title
showing, set them up (via the designer) to display a title. In some cases I
have found tables that have titles remembered and when displayed they put
in a TableTitle with an old and unused format.

The joy of trying to remove a font is that it can be buried in a lot of
creative ways. Most of those are unintended and that may be the most painful
of them all.

Anyway, glad it's resolved, but I wanted to pitch in with a few additional
ideas in case you (or others) run into this down the road.

Bernard



Bernard Aschwanden
President
Publishing Smarter

www.publishingsmarter.com 


 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kristy Nolan
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 11:41 AM
To: Lin Sims
Cc: Framer's List
Subject: RE: Fonts Not Available That Aren't Used

Thanks! I had checked the Master pages, but had forgotten about the
Reference pages. Such a simple answer to an aggravating problem!
Kristy 

-Original Message-
From: Lin Sims [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 10:37 AM
To: Kristy Nolan
Cc: Framer's List
Subject: Re: Fonts Not Available That Aren't Used

On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 11:32 AM, Kristy Nolan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 OK - I give. I am trying to clean up some files that give multiple 
 messages of a certain font not being available so another is 
 substituted. Managed to get rid of some just by cleaning up pieces 
 that were brought in from other sources, but can't find others. So I 
 went back to the template. I still have seven of these types of 
 errors. I have triple-checked the paragraph formats. I have checked 
 for any overrides within the text boxes that are set up (but no text 
 within said boxes). I found a few that were in the character palette,
but not all.

 So my question is, how can I find out where these particular fonts are

 referenced when there isn't any text for it to be used on?

Did you check the Master and Reference pages, too?

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Fonts Not Available That Aren't Used

[Bernard Aschwanden (Publishing Smarter)]

Hi Kristy,

Another couple of interesting pointers if it happens again:

1. Create a MIF and search for the font name in there. Sometimes it's in the
reference pages, sometimes in the master pages and sometimes (argh) it's
just *off* the page.

In the MIF you can search for the font and basically trace your way up the
'tree' of objects to try and find the right location. Sometimes it's pretty
creative in hiding and showing info.

I've found stuff that is located just off the visible part of the reference
page. Try it: Create a new, portrait, blank document and view the reference
page. In the top right margin of the first reference page place a text
object using the "A" tool. (For purists, that's the "Draw a Text Line"
tool). Type your initials or something similar. Then select Format > Page
Layout > Page Size and make it 6 inches wide. The text is 'hidden' off the
page, but still there.



2. Insert a table. One of every type you have and even if they have no title
showing, set them up (via the designer) to display a title. In some cases I
have found tables that have titles "remembered" and when displayed they put
in a TableTitle with an old and unused format.

The joy of trying to remove a font is that it can be buried in a lot of
creative ways. Most of those are unintended and that may be the most painful
of them all.

Anyway, glad it's resolved, but I wanted to pitch in with a few additional
ideas in case you (or others) run into this down the road.

Bernard



Bernard Aschwanden
President
Publishing Smarter

www.publishingsmarter.com 




-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Kristy Nolan
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 11:41 AM
To: Lin Sims
Cc: Framer's List
Subject: RE: Fonts Not Available That Aren't Used

Thanks! I had checked the Master pages, but had forgotten about the
Reference pages. Such a simple answer to an aggravating problem!
Kristy 

-Original Message-
From: Lin Sims [mailto:ljsims...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 10:37 AM
To: Kristy Nolan
Cc: Framer's List
Subject: Re: Fonts Not Available That Aren't Used

On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 11:32 AM, Kristy Nolan 
wrote:

> OK - I give. I am trying to clean up some files that give multiple 
> messages of a certain font not being available so another is 
> substituted. Managed to get rid of some just by cleaning up pieces 
> that were brought in from other sources, but can't find others. So I 
> went back to the template. I still have seven of these types of 
> errors. I have triple-checked the paragraph formats. I have checked 
> for any overrides within the text boxes that are set up (but no text 
> within said boxes). I found a few that were in the character palette,
but not all.
>
> So my question is, how can I find out where these particular fonts are

> referenced when there isn't any text for it to be used on?

Did you check the Master and Reference pages, too?

--
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More on conversion to PDF causing FM to crash

[Bernard Aschwanden (Publishing Smarter)]

Just as a follow up to my suggestion related to clearing the font cache...

One regular reader on the site informed me that there is a fix posted on the
Microsoft site that may be of interest to Frame users. To that end: the
Microsoft hotfix is described in these two locations: 
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/952909
http://kb.adobe.com/selfservice/viewContent.do?externalId=kb405614sliceId=1

With thanks to SC for the solution.

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More on conversion to PDF causing FM to crash

[Bernard Aschwanden (Publishing Smarter)]

Just as a follow up to my suggestion related to clearing the font cache...

One regular reader on the site informed me that there is a fix posted on the
Microsoft site that may be of interest to Frame users. To that end: the
Microsoft hotfix is described in these two locations: 
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/952909
http://kb.adobe.com/selfservice/viewContent.do?externalId=kb405614=1

With thanks to SC for the solution.

Bernard

RE: FM8 crashes

[Bernard Aschwanden (Publishing Smarter)]

If you find FM crashes often feel free to email me offlist and I can send
you a little batch file I have that deletes the font cache (often found here
C:\WINDOWS\system32\fntcache.dat) and reboots. The font cache has caused FM
crashes on PDF builds time and again on my system.

I've also given this to a few clients who have reported general success.
It's not a promise that this fixes anything, and it's also no promise that
if things go wrong I'm to blame. It comes with the usual if this works,
great, and if not then it's not my fault and you can't sue me side of
things :)

Bernard



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FM8 crashes

[Bernard Aschwanden (Publishing Smarter)]

If you find FM crashes often feel free to email me offlist and I can send
you a little batch file I have that deletes the font cache (often found here
C:\WINDOWS\system32\fntcache.dat) and reboots. The font cache has caused FM
crashes on PDF builds time and again on my system.

I've also given this to a few clients who have reported general success.
It's not a promise that this fixes anything, and it's also no promise that
if things go wrong I'm to blame. It comes with the usual "if this works,
great, and if not then it's not my fault and you can't sue me" side of
things :)

Bernard



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President
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www.publishingsmarter.com 

RE: keep with next in tables

[Bernard Aschwanden (Publishing Smarter)]

Always manual.

Sorry for the bad news.

Bernard



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Subject: keep with next in tables

Hi all:

FM 8.0 on XP

I am working in a table and would like one paragraph tag (Attaching Parts
Start) to always Keep with Next Row.

I only find Keep with Next Row in the Row Format dialog box.

Can I format the paragraph tag to ensure it keeps with the next row?
Or is it always a manual operation?

Thanks,

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Always manual.

Sorry for the bad news.

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Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 10:36 AM
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Subject: keep with next in tables

Hi all:

FM 8.0 on XP

I am working in a table and would like one paragraph tag ("Attaching Parts
Start") to always "Keep with Next Row".

I only find "Keep with Next Row" in the Row Format dialog box.

Can I format the paragraph tag to ensure it keeps with the next row?
Or is it always a manual operation?

Thanks,

Deirdre
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